The Man Who Can Find Anywhere

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Man Who Can Find Anywhere"

Pablo Torre Finds Out | The Athletic | January 15, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Pablo Torre hosts Trevor Rainbolt—known online as GeoRainbolt—one of the world's most celebrated and prodigious GeoGuessr players. The conversation explores Rainbolt's path from a small Arkansas town to international internet stardom, his unorthodox career journey, and the mind-bending skills and community behind geoguessing. The episode also offers a detailed look at the intersections of internet culture, sports, and investigative curiosity—culminating in Rainbolt’s recent foray into real-world mystery-solving alongside Pablo.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Who Is GeoRainbolt? (03:23 – 09:07)

• Background: Rainbolt confirms he’s currently in Bangkok, Thailand, where he’s lived for three years, but reveals his true origins are unglamorous: “I grew up in Flippin, Arkansas, population 1,357. There’s like 18 people in my graduating class… Rainbow's my actual last name. I had never left the US before I started playing GeoGuessr.” (09:46)
• Internet Legend Status: Pablo sets the scene for newcomers: “We all know Rainbolt by now, the geoguessr savant who will more or less find anything and everything on earth simply because he can. Social media videos of Rainbolt playing the game… have millions of views and legions of fans.” (04:25)
• GeoGuessr Explained: Rainbolt describes the game as “basically, you get dropped [on] Google Street View… and use the context clues in that photo to make an educated guess where you are.” (05:14)

2. Rainbolt’s Unlikely Career Path (11:15 – 22:47)

• Sports Fandom Roots: Rainbolt grew up a die-hard Arkansas Razorbacks fan, even making frequent trips from his hometown two-plus hours away to see games. (10:55)
• Early Internet Hustle: In middle school (2013), he grew a Steph Curry Instagram fan page, "CurryLegion," and became engrossed in NBA online culture, even running “DurantLegion” when Kevin Durant joined the Warriors. These accounts drew engagement from NBA stars and led to paid work. “It was a job, too... It was like the catalyst that I used to convince my parents to drop out of college was that account.” (17:13)
• Transition to Media Work: Rainbolt sold his fan pages to Wave Sports + Entertainment, moved to LA, hustled, and became their 11th or 12th full-time employee: “I slept on the CEO's couch for like a month and just… hustled... I ended up working… very successful there for five, five, six years.” (20:49)
• Accidental Architect of Pop Culture: Pablo jokes, “I would make the argument that I don’t know if Travis Kelce’s marriage to Taylor Swift happens, if Rainbolt doesn’t post continuously.” (21:30) Rainbolt deadpans, “There's a world where, if I don't start Curry Legion, that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are not together.” (21:51)

3. GeoGuessr Stardom and Community (22:47 – 29:43)

• Becoming GeoRainbolt: A profile in The New York Times and a collaboration with Ludwig catapulted Rainbolt’s GeoGuessr popularity, prompting him to leave his full-time job. (22:07)
• Unexpected Virality: “It was weird having my face and my name and my likeness attached to it… I was super, super shy… The best way to learn geoguessr was to stream it… I never wanted to be an influencer creator.” (24:46)
• Accessibility of GeoGuessr: Rainbolt downplays the idea that he's a “geography wizard,” clarifying that his expertise is repetitive, visual pattern recognition, strictly limited to Street View countries: “If you give me a country that isn’t on street view, I am lost.” (24:12)
• Community Spirit: The geoguessing community is “passionate people that have a… hyper fixation. It could be playing the piano. We so happen to like finding things on Street View.” (28:50)

4. Mastery, Skepticism & Cheating in GeoGuessr (29:43 – 34:38)

• Cheating Accusations: Rainbolt describes persistent accusations of cheating: “Everything under the sun. I mean, looking at a different monitor, you know, AI. Yeah. Someone else is playing for me...” (29:43)
• How People Cheat: He openly explains how others cheat: “If you play an online game… when you press F12 [in your browser], the coordinates… [are] in the code because it’s pulling from Google API… That’s how most people cheat in geoguessr.” (30:01)
• Proof of Skill: Pablo points to a blindfolded geoguessing video as ultimate proof. Rainbolt explains that pattern recognition and familiarity with visual cues—roads, utility poles, vegetation—allow this almost superhuman proficiency. “It feels like you’re playing the game in person because you’re so familiar with everything.” (33:48)

5. From Pixels to the Physical World: Traveling with GeoGuessr Eyes (34:38 – 37:49)

• Geo-Driven Travel: Rainbolt embarked on a 13-month trip, visiting places he’d “seen” only online: “It feels like you’re playing the game in person because you’re so familiar with everything and everywhere you go that the world becomes smaller.” (33:48)
• Transformational Experience: “It was one of the, like, most life-changing experiences because I had never left the U.S.… You see it but you can’t experience it. And so actually being there… you make friends.” (36:02)
• Recognition: Now recognized as “the Google Maps guy,” Rainbolt notes, “Some people think my name is George… because of geo.” (37:25)

6. Solving Real-World Mysteries with Pablo (40:51 – 50:47)

• Finding the Epstein Photo Location: Pablo tasked Rainbolt with a tricky mystery—identifying the location of a photo in the Jeffrey Epstein files, featuring Epstein and Les Wexner.
  • The Process: Rainbolt uses context clues: attire, surroundings, and seats. Knowing Wexner’s annual New Albany Classic equestrian event, Rainbolt identifies the probable context, verifies tree patterns, and tracks down old footage. The clincher? A wristband on Wexner’s arm with the letters “IC”—matching New Albany Classic branding! (47:42)
• Quote on Geolocating: “When you’re looking at any photo… you look at everything because literally everything is a hint.” (47:42)

7. Rainbolt’s Continuing Role & Life Outlook (50:47 – End)

• Proud Parents and Internet Footprints: Rainbolt’s dad is his No. 1 online hype-man, chronicling his journey on message boards, sometimes to Rainbolt’s embarrassment: “I’ll let him live in that Internet forum… He can defend me.” (15:20)
• Rainbolt as Pablo's "Geoguessing Correspondent": Pablo extends an open invitation for future mysteries; Rainbolt quips, “That’s what I wake up for every day, is what’s the challenge of the day.” (50:33)
• A Life Shaped by Curiosity: The episode reinforces Rainbolt’s ethos—a deep, playful curiosity about the world, powered as much by nerdy community as by individual obsession.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• GeoRainbolt origin story:

  “Rainbow’s my actual last name. I had never left the US before I started playing Geoguessr. I had only ever traveled virtually through Street View.” (09:46)

• On becoming an internet phenomenon:

  “It’s weird because I had always been going viral for, like, years, but it was never for myself… The first video goes viral with your face in it, you’re like, oh no, wait, what have I done?” (24:46)

• Explaining GeoGuessr skills:

  “Anything I’m doing isn’t like some superhuman ability. It’s just I put time into it. And I think that’s… important… it’s normal.” (28:50)

• Defending against skeptics:

  “It’s very easy to cheat on GeoGuessr. It’s a web-based game… every game that has competitiveness in it has cheaters.” (30:01)

• Pablo on Rainbolt’s impact:

  “I would make the argument that I don’t know if Travis Kelce’s marriage to Taylor Swift happens, if Rainbolt doesn’t post continuously.” (21:30)

• On real-world connections:

  “You see the people, but you don’t talk with the people. That’s the beauty of traveling in my opinion—you don’t leave alone.” (36:59)

• Describing the geoguessing process for investigations:

  “When you’re looking at any photo, it’s like a muscle you have to train—you look at everything because literally everything is a hint.” (47:42)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:23 – GeoRainbolt reveals he's in Bangkok, starts sharing his backstory
• 05:14 – Defines GeoGuessr gameplay for the uninitiated
• 09:46 – Surprises about Rainbolt’s background; “Rainbow” is his real name!
• 17:13 – 20:49 – Instagram account hustle, dropping out of college, joining Wave
• 22:07 – 24:46 – Going viral; transition from anonymous content to personal stardom
• 29:33 – Skepticism and cheating in GeoGuessr
• 33:48 – Seeing the world after “seeing” the world online: travel transformed
• 40:51 – 50:47 – Rainbolt and Pablo dive deep into real-world geolocation sleuthing
• 47:42 – The “IC” clue cements the Epstein/Wexner photo’s location
• 50:33 – Rainbolt becomes Pablo’s “Geoguessing Correspondent”

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Tone & Style

The episode is warm and playful, combining Pablo’s irreverent curiosity with Rainbolt’s humility and humor. Both prod the boundaries of what’s possible with internet sleuthing, blending sports fandom, meme culture, investigative journalism, and genuine awe at the world’s interconnectedness.

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Conclusion

“The Man Who Can Find Anywhere” offers both a masterclass and a love letter to obsessive internet curiosity, showing how a small-town kid with an eye for detail—and an even greater love of rabbit holes—came to be trusted by millions (and Pablo Torre) to help the world find out what’s really going on…anywhere on Earth.

Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre and today we're gonna find out what this sound is.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

This is Thailand. Nice. This is Israel. Nice.

[Pablo Torre]

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[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Can you guess? No, the classic that's mine's my go to.

[Pablo Torre]

You have a. You have a sofa behind you and it is sparsely decorated and there's an air conditioner.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

There you go. Straight from the AC is a good call. That's a good. That's a good. No, that's for straight from my kid. I'm in Bangkok, so Bangkok, Thailand. I've been here for three years now.

[Pablo Torre]

So this is long, long awaited you being on the show.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I'm a huge fan, so thanks for. I've watched probably every episode, so this is kind of like. This is surreal. I would say this is also. I've only ever been on like two podcasts before. This is like my second or third podcast ever. So I hope it's. Hope it goes well.

[Pablo Torre]

It's an honor. It is an honor and I want to explain to people how we met each other on the Internet before we explain why you're in Bangkok, Thailand. Because for people who don't know, it's funny for me to introduce you to anybody, but you're an Internet legend.

[Raj]

Finally tonight, a popular online geography game.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

That takes players around the globe, one Google street view image at a time.

[Pablo Torre]

We all know Rainbolt by now, the geoguessr savant who will more or less find anything and everything on earth simply because he can. Social media videos of Rainbolt playing the game at his desk have millions of views and legions of fans.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Whether it's simply looking at the soil, this looks Nigerian. Okay, spin in. You get that red soil over near Benin and Enugu, or pixelated details, just Brazil. Pretty free.

[Pablo Torre]

Sometimes only seeing an image for a tenth of a second. Mexico, you are genuinely a person I am fascinated by. You're one of the greatest geoguessrs in the world and you get dropped on A random road anywhere in the world on Google Maps and you gotta guess where you are. Is that a fair summary for just what geoguessing is as a concept?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Basically you get dropped on Google Street View. You get either one still shot, a 360 panorama, or you can like move around. But I like to play just like one, one still shot and use the context clues in that photo to make an educated guess where you are.

[Pablo Torre]

And so the origin story of how we first got in contact, it naturally involves Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson. And so do you remember how you became aware that I was asking for your services?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So this was probably back in May, and I remember opening up my phone because I was in Nepal at the time climbing, so I had like very little service. I would get like service in and out. Like, and when I got service I would get like so many notifications. And I remember once I got service again, my phone like loaded all the notifications. They're like, Pablo Torre, you have to check the. I'm like, what is, what is this?

[Pablo Torre]

We went from me desperately shouting out like your name and an email I sent to I think your manager on, pardon my take, because I get this video, the ring camera video, and I'm like, I, I don't have a good way of like nailing down geographically like whose house this even is, even if it's been identified by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house. And I don't want to take that for, for fact. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy Rainbolt, who's the geo gester guy?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah, he's incredible.

[Pablo Torre]

And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this. Please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery, like where was this camera? Who had access to it?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So I go on Twitter and like search and I see and so I send you a DM and I'm like, okay, this is something I can do. But like I probably can't do it for like another week or so because I'm currently at like 14,000ft in Nepal. I don't have. All I have is my phone with very little service and wi fi. So we rain checked it, but we're able to get it done for you. So that's good.

[Pablo Torre]

We rainbow checked it.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

There you go. Nice.

[Pablo Torre]

I want to say this with all sincerity, like an Avengers level international army of fellow geoguess because you were climbing in Nepal, who helped find the Airbnb that Still gets brought up to me all of the time as this thing that I should be ashamed of finding and renting, as well as the thing that's maybe the most impressive thing. Thing I found out. And I have to just say it's because of your band of people that came to my rescue.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah, I just connected the dots there. I had no idea you were going to go to that extent. So when I watched that for the first time when you posted it, I was like, oh, my God, this is, like the best case scenario of, like, me connecting you with my friends to help you get this done. Because I was like, this is better than anything I could have ever expected.

[Pablo Torre]

Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You went to the town?

[Pablo Torre]

Shut up, Pablo. You've been to this house.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

If you show me a ring cam video with you.

[Noah]

No.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Pablo, what the. This is crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

Pablo, what the.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

This is crazy. This is crazy. I don't understand what. I don't understand what's.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't understand. What podcast is this?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Truman Show.

[Pablo Torre]

Is the World Truman Show. Where are we? What's going on? Oh, my God. What's going on? What is this? Okay, I need a lot of answers now.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You went to the house and you.

[Pablo Torre]

Have access to the footage, right? So the ring camera, the footage must go.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So I'm more than happy to be a part of that.

[Pablo Torre]

But it's the spirit of, like, what your life's arc has been as I continue to find out stuff about you, which is that it starts on the Internet, it starts diving into rabbit holes, and it is currently taking place in real life at the places you once only saw through your screen. And that part of your story is just. It's mind blowing, man. The way that your life has. Has shaped up.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It feels like I've lived many lives in a very short amount of time, very quickly.

[Pablo Torre]

So we also have just another mission for you today, by the way, if you're willing to take that on.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Always.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought when I first encountered you that you may have grown up, like, internationally. Like you're like a European kid or something. I thought that your name Rainbolt was a pseudonym. And none of that turns out to be true.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah, I grew up in Flippin, Arkansas, population 1357. There's like 18 people in my graduating class. Same 18 people that were, you know, K through 12. I ended up switching schools my senior year, but Rainbow's my actual last name. I had never left the US before I started playing Geoguess here. I had only ever traveled virtually through three view. So, yeah, all those things kind of like came together and I kind of always wanted to see the world.

[Pablo Torre]

Do you remember being radicalized into Arkansas football?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It was the Bobby Petrino era that was.

[Pablo Torre]

First of all, I'd just like to thank everybody that really has shown their support for me. Coach Bobby Petrino didn't seem as though.

[Raj]

He was holding anything back when he.

[Pablo Torre]

Addressed the media Tuesday. Quite an amazing medical staff that they put together in such a short period. Period of time. Petrino was back at practice just two days after the crash that sent him to the hospital. I'm very fortunate. I feel very lucky to be here and, and be in, in good health.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah, no, I mean, I've grown up Arkansas fan my whole life. Season tickets. I would. So flipping was like probably about two, two and a half hours away from Fayetteville. So we'd make weekend trips. It was a good time. Sometimes it was a good time. Wasn't the. We had, you know, we had D. Mcfad in there at the time. But Felix, for the most part it was, it was fun. Good memories.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm still realizing that the name of your town is literally flippin F L I P P I N. Yep.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Flippin High school.

[Pablo Torre]

There's a real untapped merch potential for your, for your hometown.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I feel like, I feel like once when I was in like middle school, I remember like flipping Church of God made it on like Ellen DeGeneres and I was like, this is the coolest thing that will ever happen. Like we've, we've officially made it.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, you know, so you mentioned, you mentioned Bobby Petrino. You realize that like the universe is also bringing us full circle because Bill Belich has now hired as his offensive coordinator at the University of North Carolina, Bobby Pedrito.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

That is quite the universe. That's amazing.

[Pablo Torre]

You either not talking about that in Thailand right now. They're not talking about how Bobby Petrino just got hired.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You know, the foreign boards here aren't coming up yet. No, sorry.

[Pablo Torre]

I was looking through your online footprint and the thing I found on. I mean this is something that I still don't understand, but on an LSU message board, this is tiger droppings. You're familiar with this forum?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I'm not at all.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, so on.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So you've done some digging I'm unaware of. So this is you're reverse uno carving me right now. So this is going to be interesting.

[Pablo Torre]

So on this tiger droppings Message board on November 22, 2022, a user has an icon of the Razorback next to his username. Are you familiar with who that is? Oh my God.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I'm not. No.

[Pablo Torre]

I think you're.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

This is all news.

[Pablo Torre]

I think you're finding out that your dad posted on this message board and he says a couple of things. By the way, if this is in fact your dad.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Wait, wait, wait. Why is my dad on LSU forum? That's.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, so I'm like, why is he. Why is. Why is he posting on this forum? I don't know. I think he's also been radicalized in ways that you and I are both learning to understand. But the title is brag colon. My 24 year old son just started the adventure of a lifetime. Hashtag Google Maps, hashtag geoguessr. And he goes on to talk about how you had a normal job, which we'll talk about in sports media, which also was jarring for me to learn. And he says this quote, we play GeoGuessr, a game where you're dropped somewhere in the world on Google Street Maps and you guess where you are. When he was in high school and we picked it up again as a way to stay in touch every day, he got good. Really good. Really, really good. In his spare time, he started a TikTok account where he would post his better games and tips for new players. It took off. Long story short, he passed 1 million followers earlier this year. Then he started a YouTube channel, Snap Twitter, Instagram accounts. And he quit his job last month, signed with an agency, is now making disgusting money. And then he goes on to say this. He describes himself as, quote, a proud, thrilled and a little terrified dad because you quit your job last month. This was as of November. Wow, 2022.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I. I have never. You know, that. That definitely sounds like my dad. No, I'm not sure how you found that, but that's an amazing post. And yeah, I remember like pre Covid or like right when Covid. I remember like kind of like sending him my good guesses on geoguessr. Like, like, look at this good Australia. Guess I had. This was before, like, you know, I just like, I had never even posted a single video before. This was when it was still kind of just like a. More of a. A pastime after work. So that was 2022, August around, probably. Yeah, the rest is history.

[Pablo Torre]

He goes on to describe he's not your typical influencer. He spent countless hours mastering his craft and probably knows more geography than all but a handful of people in the world. And I think all of that honestly is true. And the first response is A guy with the username of Kafka. And it's just a photo. It's a photo of a University of Kentucky fan. And the words at the bottom in. In meme format are simply in all caps, like, I give a.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

That's the best response possible for that, honestly. Because why is he posting that on an LSU forum? It's incredible. It's incredible.

[Pablo Torre]

And it goes on. He goes on to. He goes on to just answer people in the comments and he's incredibly sweet. It goes on for nine pages, by the way. Like, your dad is just like responding.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

To people, you know, I'll let him live in that Internet for him. I'll let him have that and he can defend me. I think I actually remember telling him at one point to stop responding to the comments somewhere. So this, this, this lines up.

[Pablo Torre]

This is also my parents experience me telling them, please stop reading people being mad because I posted Bill Belichick's shirtless ring cam video and then recreated it on the same porch.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah. Universal.

[Pablo Torre]

You grew up though yourself, like, extremely online. So, like, this is your dad's Internet. That's his corner of the Internet, but your own.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I was deep. Yeah. So where do I begin? So I remember in 2013 when I started an Instagram account because I was. I don't remember exactly why. I think it was like Christmas break or something and like we went to like a family's like, house and I was like, bored and like, nothing to do. And I wanted to start posting videos about Stephen Curry. I think it was like right after the Nuggets series, I was like, I'm gonna make a Steph Curry fan page.

[Pablo Torre]

Curry with the steal. Steph Curr fires away. Got it.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Are you kidding me? And I became obsessed with like Instagram and like growing an Instagram account to the point where, you know, every single day for up until 2018, 19, I was posting. I mean, the. The page is still up. It's at CurryLegion. It is probably some very cringe 13 year old LeBron hate.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, I found that as well.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It's still there. I'm not. I'm hiding from it. Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I don't understand how you were able to go to school while maintaining this. At times very sincere and at times very just like Meme Lord brained account.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Oh, I was like, dude, Warriors Twitter, Like, I was like 14, like on Warriors Twitter, like tweeting away, like, with like warriors world. That was my life. Like, I loved it though. Like, I was posting live highlights. I was skipping class to post Like Steph Curry highlights. When I was in college, it was a job, too. I was making money. It actually, it was like the catalyst that I used to convince my parents to drop out of college was that account. And my dad, like, actually, he made me, like, write like a. I remember this specifically. He made me write, like, a business plan on, like, how I plan on making money from this account. Like, my two year, five year plan. It ended up working out because it led to different opportunities, but I've always loved creating content.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, look, there's a lot of just, like, you know, dancing Winnie the Pooh memes.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah. I don't even know how to explain that. So it became an inside joke that every time the warriors won a playoff game, I would just post Winnie the Pooh dancing. And so it became like a community inside joke that, yeah, whenever they won, I would post the video, but I haven't posted it, probably, and I'm still logged in, but I don't think I've posted in, like, four years.

[Pablo Torre]

Maybe you also were running. It turns out, according to our research, which is, again, extensive, at Durant Legion.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah. So I saw the business opportunity, and when. When Katie signed, you know, July 4th, I was like, wait, I've always wanted. You know, I've always welcomed KD to the warriors, obviously. And so when he signed, I made a Durant Legion. And then I had a friend on Twitter, we ran it together. So it was. It was a collective effort. But that page ended up being followed by KD. I remember Katie, like, DMing it a couple times and being like, yeah, so I had, like, active combo in the DMs with KD in, like, 2017, something like that. It's crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

Did Steph ever follow the other account?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You know what? No. No. That's okay, though. One day we'll. We'll look at the Steph notice.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna send. We're gonna send this to Steph Curry so he's aware of who has been running his most insane fan account. But I love. And it makes total sense that KD immediately was like, yeah, if you could.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Name three players in the NBA that would be most likely to follow their fan account. KD is probably one of them.

[Pablo Torre]

But the idea that these fan accounts become an actual thing with a business plan that your dad is demanding from you, you realize pretty early on that the ability to, like, edit video in sports is going to be a thing. It seems like the athletes that you knew were also pretty early to the fact that you were Going to be a thing.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I transferred my senior of high school to us to a high school called Spanish for Alabama in Southern Alabama, like football country, you know, like Friday Night Lights Central. And I was like failing my math class and my teacher of the math class was a coach. And so I ended up pitching to him the idea, can I just like follow you guys to the games, like post highlights? And so I just went, drove myself to their games, took notes of every single highlight went through after clicked them and post them to the Instagram. And some of those athletes ended up becoming like NFL players that were like, asking me in like 2017 if I could like make them like personal edits for their Instagram. One of them's on the Cowboys now. Which player on the Cowboys, Jalen Tolbert was Dming me, asking me for highlights on his Instagram that are probably still up there somewhere if you scroll down far enough.

[Pablo Torre]

And then how does this lead to. How does this lead to an actual business? What's your first real job?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So I ended up selling the Curry Legion and Durant Legion pages to a company called Wave Sports and entertainment in 2018, 2017, around that time. And I slept on the CEO's couch for like a month and like, just worked and just like hustled and like tried to prove myself because I had dropped out of college at that point. This wasn't in my five year plan. I pitched to my dad, unfortunately. But, you know, I saw an opportunity and I took it. But I ended up, you know, working. I was their 11th or 12th full time employee at Wave, you know, very successful there for five, five, six years. And then, you know, then they got the New Heights podcast and they're having their success, which is great. So.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, this is, this is you join Wave, which is otherwise known as the company that like put on Travis and Jason Kelsey's podcast New Heights, and then became this thing that blew up that an army of Taylor Swift fans came to know and love. I would make the argument that I don't know if Travis Kelce's marriage to Taylor Swift happens, if Rainbolt doesn't post continuously.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

There's a world where, if I don't start Curry Legion, that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are not together. Let's just put that out there. It's not far fetched.

[Pablo Torre]

When does it happen? When you realize I need to leave that job.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I remember talking to my manager at the time, same one I have now. I was like, by the way, I'm never quitting my job. Like, I love it here. Like, I'm making great money. I'll never want to quit this job. I'm happy. And then I think I ended up quitting in August and I started my account in January. So within an eight month period. The, I would say like the, the inflection point though was probably the New York Times article. And then I had the Ludwig collab around that same exact time. And I think those two things kind of like piggybacking off each other kind of like really catapulted me and like gave me enough confidence that I thought I could take a chance and see what I could do with it.

[Pablo Torre]

So in July 2022, the New York Times covers you. It's about the existence of GeoGuessrs. And you mentioned Ludwig, who's another geogueser. Competitive, internationally known geoguessr. My favorite tiktoker these days, it's this guy. Have you ever gotten a Snapchat from a girl?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

No. This is Thailand. Nice. This is Israel. Nice.

[Pablo Torre]

Georainb. The absolute goat. Anyway, I did this, this little sneaky thing where I followed him and then, oh, he followed me and now we follow each other. And I asked him if he wanted to stream with me tonight and he said he.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

So tonight we are streaming with Geo Rainbolt. His name's Trevor.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I'm just gonna call him Trevor.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm gonna call him Geo Rainbolt. It's a crazy name to say. How do you realize that there's a community for this thing that you and your dad kind of started just playing for fun?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So I didn't. When I first initially started posting, I was just posting my TikToks as like ways to share my videos with other people in the community. And then inherently geoguessr has like a virality thing to it. It's like everyone can relate to it. It's cool. It's, it's Google Maps. It's like people love maps, you know, it all just kind of happens super quick.

[Pablo Torre]

But hold on, you just very casually said, you know, maps are cool. I don't know if everybody grew up thinking, you know what, maps are cool.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You know, I didn't grow up thinking maps are cool. I. People think I'm like some geography wizard. I'm serious. I'm not. If you, if you give me a country that isn't on street view, I am lost. My, my knowledge is, is strictly street view countries. And so I think that's like a common misconception. But I'm not like a map nerd.

[Pablo Torre]

Can you describe the feeling though of like Posting these clips of you guessing stuff and then realizing that the audience was going to be there for this in ways that even Steph Curry and Kevin Durant fans were not.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It's weird because I had always been going viral for, like, years, but it was never for myself. It was always making content under Steph Durant. So it was weird having my face and my name and my likeness attached to it. That was like something that I initially had to get over because I'm like, super, like five years ago, I'm like super, super shy. I had no on camera presence. Like, I had no idea what I was doing. The best way to learn geoguessr was to stream it and then play with other people and, like, in the community, and they would all, like, give their guests we could talk about together. So that was how that started. And so I never expected, you know, the first video goes viral with your face in it, you're like, oh, no, wait, what have I done? And then you kind of have to. You get used to it. But I never wanted to be an influencer creator. That was never. I never started this as, like, a goal to. To make money. I remember physically not wanting to and wanting to stop because I didn't want to. But it's cool. It's cool to be, like, a person that people can look to as, like, inspiration to, like, learn about the world.

[Pablo Torre]

At least a little bit more inspiring than posting 50 dancing Winnie the Poos.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

When you keep going back to the Winnie. Listen, the Winnie the Poos, we had great engagement. They were. They were a core to the community. Did you. Did you at least listen to the song in the background?

[Pablo Torre]

It's been stuck in my head this entire interview.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Actually shout out to Pitbull. I mean, that could also be a full circle moment. Mr. Worldwide.

[Pablo Torre]

I was gonna say the universe.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

There we go.

[Pablo Torre]

Clearly, clearly keeps winking at you.

[Raj]

Hey, it's Raj and Noah. And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.

[Noah]

Because we're doing a lot of stuff.

[Raj]

Wrong, but who isn't? That's why each week we're talking about the topics that we could all use a little helping hit with. Whether it's making new friends as an adult, managing our emotions, or even dreaming.

[Noah]

We'll be talking to experts in their fields who are definitely doing things right. So the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.

[Raj]

Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcast.

[Noah]

And for the first time ever, we're gonna have full video episodes on YouTube. Because as long as there are things to get wrong, we're gonna be right here to help you do them better.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Love y'.

[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

How do you describe the geoguessing community if you've never encountered the people who helped me solve that Bill Belichick thing? What are these people like?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Honestly, they're like me and you. And I'm not just saying that as like me and you specifically because we like finding out things, but just like they're passionate people that have a. You know, different people have different hyper fixations and we all happen to share a similar one. It could be playing the piano. We so happen to like finding things on Street View. People always ask me when people come up to me in the street or like, you know, online. They always ask me like, so how do you do it? Like, how'd you get good? And I always just tell them it's like imagine you spent time trying to get a Call of Duty. It's the same thing. I just spent time trying to get a geoguessr. Anything I'm doing isn't like some superhuman ability. It's just I put time into it. And I think that's like an important thing to know is it's normal.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, so hold on. Because I'm curious how you feel then when you're accused of cheating, what are the things that people have accused you of in terms of. He's not really doing this.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Everything under the sun. I mean, looking at a different monitor, you know, AI. Yeah. Someone else is playing for me. Well, the thing is it's very easy to cheat on GeoGuessr. It's like extremely easy to cheat.

[Pablo Torre]

Explain. How do you do it?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah, let me go ahead and explain to everyone. This is definitely helping my case. So in theory, the web browser, it's a web browser game. And so if the way most people cheat on geoguessr if you play an online game is when you press F12, the coordinates have to be in the like code because it's pulling from Google API. So in theory you can just pull the coordinates and people do that. That's how like most of the people cheat in geoguessr. But I mean, obviously I've done this live and then been to in person events and whatever. So I've. Yeah, but it is a very. It's a web. It's a web based game. Like every game that has competitiveness in it has cheaters.

[Pablo Torre]

But I didn't realize that. So the F key, I mean, so. But the F key, the function key on the keyboard, the F12 key just like pulls up the developer tools basically. And you get to see in the code.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah. And it pulls the API of the Google. Yeah. And you can see the code. Yeah, it's its own thing. So when I used to host tournaments, we would always have like screen sharing. So we would always prevent people from, you know, we would be able to see their screen. So when they are recording their like in the tournament, we can see if they're opening up the coordinates or not.

[Pablo Torre]

The video that convinced me because I wasn't sure when I first stumbled upon you. But then there's a video you posted that kind of like changed my entire thinking about this. And for the audio audience, it'll be very helpful for them to hear and, and see on our YouTube channel. But it's a video you posted where you're blindfolded and Yeah, a guy, one of your, one of your friends in this community apparently is just like reading descriptions of what the grass looks like. This one, very, very sandy, very white sand. And we got some dead like shrubs on both sides of the road.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Let's go outside Mount in Botswana.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Nice, nice.

[Pablo Torre]

So this one looking cold, but also very desolate in terms of the landscape.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You can actually get a lot of context on what the location looks like visually through another players comms, on what an image is. And I mentioned it very carefully too, another player. Because when another player is describing, they know what's meaningful in the description. Like if I was asked Pablo, like, hey, describe this for me, he's like, okay, there's a blue sky and a rounder like, you know, so the first thing that you look for is in any location is the road. Thailand has concrete roads, but like not every country has has concrete roads. And it has very distinct pavement that's similar to the Philippines pavement I would say. But they also drive left. So that distinguishes the difference. You have the road lines, double yellow road lines. You look towards the Tuffan poles. So they have like similar poles to Sri Lanka. But I mean I could talk about poles and you know, vegetation and then you have the rubber trees. And if you want to guess more eastern Thailand, you want more red soil. But also you're just looking at the location. This is like a thing that people. It's hard to comprehend. If you've looked at a location or a country 10,000 times, your brain knows what that country looks like. That's why when people watch my 0.1 second videos, they don't really understand it. But that's because your brain and its pattern recognition can pick up so quickly because it's seen something so close to that before.

[Pablo Torre]

You just referenced these videos, which were the thing that made me think at first like this guy is with us. Because it's fractional, it's decimal points of a second.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Probably like something over here.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, it's just clicking in the card catalog of your brain. What I imagine people don't see is you just like walking through Google Maps.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

When I started traveling, after I started posting videos, I've said this to people have laughed at me before, but it's genuinely how I feel. It feels like you're playing the game in person because you're so familiar with everything and everywhere you go that the world becomes smaller in a way and everything becomes so familiar. And I would only travel to places that have official street view coverage because I felt familiar and safer at these places because it was like, it's not so scary because I kind of knew what to expect and so it kind of helped me like travel more. So I remember like going to like northern Botswana because like I had seen this town before in street view that I wanted to see because of the sand that you get in northern Botswana, that's like the tall grass on the side of the Roads in Northern Botswana. I wanted to see that in person. It sounds crazy, but it was familiar to me and that's why I wanted to see it.

[Pablo Torre]

I had not thought about this in those terms, but you're describing an itinerary that you built because of your intimate familiarity with the world as described on Google Street View. How did you decide that you were going to go and do that?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So I had another ghoster friend that kind of convinced me. So I had just quit my job in LA. I was based in LA in Santa Monica for five years. This is 2022. And I was like, there's nothing tie me to LA anymore. There's nothing tie me to anywhere anymore. I can work anywhere with the income I'm making online. I mean still post videos and upload wherever I want. And so I thought like, what if you could do anything, what would you do? And that kind of like how I felt. And so I had a gaster friend in Germany and he was like, just come to Germany. I was like, okay. So I sold everything and I went to Germany and then I went to Portugal and then I went to. Yeah, I just started going and I eventually went to Asia and did Asia and Australia and then Africa. But it was, it was like a full 13 months of just traveling, only living out of a suitcase. I had like six T shirts, pair of jeans and a jacket and a portable setup with my laptop. That's great.

[Pablo Torre]

You know, I imagine that this is an emotional experience to sort of encounter all of the places that you had been basically studying for that long.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It was one of the like most life changing experiences because I had never left the U.S. i have seen outside the U.S. but I had never left it. And you can only get so much out of some, out of a place through pixels. You can see it but you can't experience it. And so actually being there and the way I travel now is I find places on Google Maps and then go there if I see an inspiration on Street View that I found like this is such a cool location. We call them locks. Like that's a cool lock. I want, I want to go to that lock, not that place. I want to go to that lock. So it's internal slang there. But yeah, it's a. That's how I travel is inspiration through pixels.

[Pablo Torre]

What's the thing that you underrated when you first started doing this? You're like, oh wow. The thing that I never really accounted for when I was doing this through pixels was this aspect of travel.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

And the easiest answer is the people you know, you see the people, but you don't talk with the people. That's the, that's the beauty of traveling, in my opinion, is talking to the people and experiencing the. The, you know, the relationships and friendships you make with people. As you, as you go to these cool locks, I go to them alone. But you don't leave alone, let's say. It's just you make friends.

[Pablo Torre]

Have people recognized you as a guy who is the geoguessr guy?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I get more recognized as the curry lesion guy, but no, I'm kidding. Yeah, it's the. Are you the Google Maps guy? Are you the guy from TikTok? Yeah. Some people think my name is George. Yeah, that's a common one.

[Pablo Torre]

Why?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Because of geo. Oh, this is G E O R. And some people just misread it. So they're like, George, I'm like, how's it going.

[Pablo Torre]

Among, like the stuff that you have found out? My favorite location that you identified is the location for the LeBron James kid.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

That did happen.

[Pablo Torre]

As the foremost operator of a Steph Curry fan page, you going insanely viral for identifying the Youngest fan of LeBron James is a little ironic.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It is very ironic. Especially if you look at my posts on Cray Legion from 2020 16, which is not the. The most. It's like the. It's like the Austin Reeves. Yeah. Post. I don't know if you remember that.

[Pablo Torre]

But it's a picture of Kobe like this. And it's like when I. When I need some rest, I put my phone to LeBron mode. No rings. I was like, it's like there's one of two things I could do. I can shut up and hope you don't see it. Or I could call him over here and be like, look, man. And I did. I was like, bro, come here. He was like, what's up? He walks over there. It's like, I was a Kobe's fan back in the day. I was like, I was on you back in 2012. He just busted out laughing. He was like, I don't care about this.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Some random 14 year old dude in Arkansas. Exactly.

[Pablo Torre]

And then it happens to be my teammate.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I knew Austin Reeves and his brother Spencer Reeves back in like high school as well because he grew up in Arkansas and he was. He played at flipping a lot. So I would always see him play. He was a Kobe guy. Yeah.

[Raj]

Hey, it's Raj and Noah and we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong? The show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.

[Noah]

Because we're still doing a lot of stuff wrong.

[Raj]

But who isn't? That's why each week we're talking about the topics that we could all use a little helping hit with. Whether it's making new friends as an adult, managing our emotions, or even dreaming.

[Noah]

We'll be talking to experts in their fields who are doing, definitely doing things right so the rest of us can be a bit wiser and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us.

[Raj]

Subscribe now and listen to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong? Dropping every Thursday starting January 1st, wherever you get your podcasts.

[Noah]

And for the first time ever, we're going to have full video episodes on YouTube. Because as long as there are things to get wrong, we're going to be right here to help you do them better.

[Raj]

Love you.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

The question that people keep on bringing up when I tell them about you and the people who have seen the episode we did also, they wonder like, why aren't you like working for like, I don't know, like the CIA or something? Have people legitimately come to you for help on investigations?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Not that I know of.

[Pablo Torre]

Just me. I'm the only one who was like.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Hey, well, you're not the CIA, are you? Well, that's.

[Pablo Torre]

I can safely disclose that I'm funded by. Not the CIA.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

No, no, I'll stick to my Finding LeBron James kid meme. Okay. And Bill Pilicheck, ring camera. There's a.

[Pablo Torre]

This is taking me all the way around to the realm of like actual governmental investigation and memes. Because the thing that I asked you for, which you were very kind to help me think through, and I think this is a good and helpful explanation of your process, by the way, was this photo from the Epstein files that we got. And so the Epstein files, people who are not familiar when they publish this trove of documents, like the Department of Justice, does not provide any information, like in captions or anything. It's just a code name on the bottom right. And so this is the code name E, F, T A00003434. There's no surrounding information. And all I knew when I sent this to you was that this is a photo of Jeffrey Epstein, and he's in a row of chairs, of white chairs, and he's sitting next to a woman who's sitting next to another woman, and that woman is named Abigail Wexner, and next to her is Les Wexner. And Les Wexner is very well known now because of the Epstein files release, especially as the billionaire former CEO, Victoria's Secret. And we've talked about him on the show before, and he's the sort of guy who gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his finances and helped basically build Jeffrey Epstein's financial empire to the point where now it's an issue rainbolt that Les Wexner's name is on the Ohio State football building. And all these alumni have since demanded that they remove Les Wexner's name. Where's Wexner? Where are you? Show up. It's time.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It's time to answer questions.

[Pablo Torre]

This group, made up of former OSU.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Athletes, believes the names of Leslie Wexner.

[Pablo Torre]

And Woody Hayes cannot coexist on the same building, and they want Wexner's name gone.

[Noah]

Ohio State confirms the Wexner naming rights.

[Pablo Torre]

Were paid for with two checks, one.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

From Wexner Charitable foundation and the other from the Couq foundation that was controlled by Jeffrey Epstein, according to federal tax records. However, OSU says, quote, an independent investigation.

[Pablo Torre]

Found the 2007 gift originated from the.

[Noah]

Wexner Children's Trust and the Leslie Wexner.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Charitable Fund, and not from Jeffrey Epstein.

[Pablo Torre]

And so I sent you this photo of them in this row. They're kind of like in an audience. The only geographic reference is really a bunch of trees behind. And I said, can you help us find, like, where this photo was taken? Like, what is this? And so can you explain how you set out to answer this question?

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yes. So you sent this to me, and I woke up and I saw it. I was like, this is the best text ever to wake up to a challenge from Pablo. Like, amazing. Let me start my day. So when you're looking at any photo, the first thing that you have to understand is, like, what's the context of the photo? And you look at everything that you can extrapolate from the image, and you kind of just like, compartmentalize it. So we could see the photo, we could See the. The attire they were wearing. We could see this, the. The setting with the white chairs and the people in the back and what they were wearing. And knowing, you know, Les Wexner and, like, doing very basic research, every single year, he would host a event called the New Albany Classic that would bring people in and host, like, equestrian or like. Yes, it would have, like, different things like horse racing and, like, showrunning or fair event type stuff. Maybe you have more context on that.

[Pablo Torre]

But no, it's sports. We're talking about horses now. We're now back to talking about sports. This is an equestrian event, it turns out, held every year for, like, 20 years. The Wexners are hosting a day of family fun at their home, and everyone's invited.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

It's the New Albany Club Classic, of course. Next, I talk with Abigail Wexner about how this tradition has turned into a dream come true for some of the riders at this year's competition. Yeah, it was at his property. Or like, close to his property. Slash on his property, I guess. And so that was my immediate thought, was like, what's the most likely answer? And can we. Does it look likely enough? And when you look at the trees in the back and I look at his property for a second, I see that the trees clearly look like similar trees. Enough to where it's worth investigating further to see if this is actually the one to one location. And look at all the photos to see if there's any type of videos on YouTube that had an angle that would help me confirm it, because through satellite, the image wasn't close enough to confirm it through satellite. So through a David Archuleta performance at the New Albany Classic, there was a chair in the background that looked like the same chairs from the chairs in the Epstein files location. And so I was like, okay, that's reason enough to continue thinking that this is the most probable location. So then I went to circumstances more, but just the chair.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. So, like, the thing.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

So about the chair that you noticed.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Is what this is the chair that looked. It was a white chair that had the same design with the same screw. And so I was like, it's. But the thing is, you can't confirm the location based off of a chair. Chairs are rented. Like, it could be someone else in Ohio that's renting out these chairs. So you want to actually find the location. So I did a deep dive. I went through some old articles, and I found the old domain for the new albanyclassic.com and then put that through the Wayback Machine, I think, through like a 2002 archive, gave me a map of the property and like, where they would have been sitting. And so then I'd use that map plus another YouTube video that someone posted in, I think, 2009 that had like a slideshow of different photos from the event that was able to match the tree in the back with the Epstein file photo and Les Wexner's house.

[Pablo Torre]

But my favorite detail, even beyond the trees, is that you noticed something that I had missed. And so you're already, like, describing a bunch of stuff that I also try to do when I'm like, trying to find stuff out. But your eye is so good because unless Wexner's wrist, you notice something that I did not.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yeah. So I mean, when I'm looking at the, like I said in the beginning, when you're looking at photo, it's something that it's like, it's like a. It's a muscle that you have to, to train is you look at everything because literally everything is a hint. And so I was, at first, I was going through the cup that Epstein was holding, just like, maybe the cup is a hint. And while I was zooming in on the cup, I noticed behind the cup, unless his wrist, there, there was a wristband that ended in ic. And so if you look at the IC font on the wristband, it also matches to the exact same font that ends the New Albany Classic branding that also helps confirm the location.

[Pablo Torre]

Right.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

So it's just another additive.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. So look, we're not able to say with, you know, full certainty that this is it, because I suppose they could have created like a sound stage and like recreated the New Albany Classic somewhere. That's still on the board, I guess.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Yes. It's not 100 confirmed.

[Pablo Torre]

It seems extraordinarily likely that this was, in fact, by the way, a grand pre equestrian competition that was held every September for 20 years until 2018. And the event, as I was looking into this as well, the event was a fundraiser. It raised money for charity, and the charity was the center for Family Safety and Healing. The New Albany Classic was held this.

[Raj]

Weekend with the main attraction being the horse jumping competition. With more than 20,000 people expected, the center for Family Safety and Healing is.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Glad to be a part of the event.

[Pablo Torre]

Mrs. Wexner decided to mary the love of horses with, you know, her horrible, you know, dislike of this issue of.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Family violence, and she brought the two.

[Pablo Torre]

Together and it's been magical. All of which raises follow up questions for us, by the way, because One of the things we're trying to do here is further explore Leslie Wexner, the billionaire in the photograph, because he says that he severed ties with Jeffrey Epstein on September 4, 2007. And so we are always trying to triangulate to what extent is the Jeffrey Epstein story a sports story and who are the characters in it? And you helped us establish that one of the photos in the files was at what can only be safely described as a sports related event.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Horses.

[Pablo Torre]

Horses, man.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I've been tagged and people have told me to, you know, take a look at Epstein files and try and geolocate. And I didn't know where to start. Some people are like, why don't you use your powers for good? So I'm at least happy I'm able to give my thoughts on this location at the New Albany Classic to help your. To help your piece.

[Pablo Torre]

I think you've just officially just solidified your position as the Pablo Torre finds out geoguessing correspondent.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

I'm going to change my LinkedIn to that. Anything that you have is. I always love getting new challenges. That's what I wake up for every day, is what's the challenge of the day. So whatever you got, send it to me.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, the five year business plan is going to be updated for your dad as we maybe figure out a way to take this all back towards Bobby Petrino.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You know, maybe not. Let's. I'm okay with not taking it back.

[Pablo Torre]

To a guy, a guy with a very colorful and personal experience with a.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

Road that is true.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm proud to report, though, that your dad has not stopped posting. You Posted literally at 12:34am Eastern Today on a different thread.

[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

You know, I wish I didn't know that.

[Pablo Torre]

This has been Pablo Torre finds Out a Meadowlark Media for production and I'll talk to you next time.

[Raj]

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[Noah]

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[Raj]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Raj]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Raj]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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[Pablo Torre]

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[GeoRainbolt (Trevor Rainbolt)]

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