Podcast Summary: Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: "The Undercover Life of J.P. Lehman"

Date: June 26, 2025
Host: Pablo Torre
Guest: "Hub Orr" (aka JP Lehman, The Wall Street Fat Cat)

Overview

In this episode, Pablo Torre dives into the double life of "Hub Orr," a high-powered managing director at global investment bank Jefferies… who moonlights on nights and weekends as an independent professional wrestler named JP Lehman, the “Wall Street Fat Cat.” What starts as an exposé of a quirky alter ego becomes a nuanced conversation about workplace identity, the pursuit of passion in adulthood, and the interconnected drama of capitalism and professional wrestling.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Meet Hub Orr / JP Lehman—Suit by Day, Heel by Night

• Hub Orr’s Professional Background ([01:22]–[01:36]):
  • Managing director in consumer and retail investment at Jefferies.
  • “Wall Street type stuff… I take companies public, help them raise debt… sell them.”
  • “When you want to sell Pablo Torre and everything associated with it to the highest bidder, you call me.”
• The Big Reveal ([02:53]):
  • “Pablo, I am an independent professional wrestler.” — Hub Orr
  • Wrestling persona: JP Lehman, “Weighing in at 80% equities and 20% fixed income… too big to fail. From Wall Street, this is JP Lehman.” ([03:09], C)

2. Building the JP Lehman Persona

• Signature Moves—Finance Puns for a Niche Audience ([03:32]–[05:25]):
  • “Inverted yield curve” (vertical suplex), the “EBITDA adjustment” (homage to John Cena’s finisher), and the “stock bottom” (nod to The Rock).
  • “The Venn diagram of people who know John Cena’s Attitude Adjustment and understand what an EBITDA adjustment is… is probably one person, and I think it’s probably me.” ([04:56], B)
• Persona Inspiration:
  • “The best wrestling gimmicks are the real person underneath the costume cranked up to 11… JP Lehman is probably a 13 or 14 relative to Hub Orr.” ([20:23], B)
  • Props include reading The Wall Street Journal in the ring, making promo videos about airline status, and taking real-life I-banking frustrations into wrestling matches.

3. Wrestling Journey: From Bank Boardrooms to VFW Halls

• Training and Hazing ([08:54]–[09:44]):
  • Attended wrestling school after asking wife for permission; sat in his car for a month too nervous to enter.
  • Fear of “stretching”; classic hazing in wrestling to weed out those who aren’t serious.
• Pain and Physicality ([10:49], [11:42], [13:38]):
  • “The physical risk is unambiguously real… it hurts.”
  • “What hurts the most are the Legos.” ([13:59], B)
  • Describes injuries: missing two front teeth from a misheard move during training ([14:47]).
  • “I have to go home to my wife and three children with no two front teeth… that was effectively the end of the party for me.” ([16:18]–[16:59], B)

4. Independent Wrestling: The Economics and Community

• Motivation Beyond Money ([26:11]):
  • “I could probably make anywhere between 40 and 80 bucks a show. I often ask promoters don’t pay with money, give me time...”
  • “The day job feeds the character… the character also impacts the day job.” ([26:53])
• Minor Leagues to WWE:
  • WWE is “the majors;” Hub doesn’t expect to make it but relishes the journey ([17:40]).

5. Financial Lingo, Real-life Crossover, and Wrestling Artistry

• Work Experiences Used as Wrestling Gags ([21:47]–[24:01]):
  • The infamous “client call” bit: Hub answers an imaginary call in the ring, parodying a real humiliating work moment when his own boss interrupted a bonus meeting (with a client on the phone).
  • “Best art comes from a sense of real despair and tragedy.” ([24:01], B)

6. Identity, Exposure, and Embracing the Quirk

• Going “Public” with the Secret Life ([24:39]–[26:04]):
  • Wrestling scout wanted to promote his social media; faced the “nuclear button" moment of revealing his double life to his professional world.
  • “You only live once. You better do the stuff you want to do.”
• Impact on Community and Self ([40:44]–[42:59]):
  • Initial shame has become pride as strangers come up to him, sometimes inspired.
  • “Everyone has a quirk like this… and you either suppress it or embrace it.”

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Duality of Work/Life:
  • “For the past seven years it’s been possible to maintain a Wall Street day job with… whatever you want to call this night job.” ([07:02], B)
• On the Minutiae of Independent Wrestling:
  • “Events occur at breweries, VFW halls, fairgrounds… every variety of low brow venue you can imagine.” ([07:21], B)
• On Physical Risk:
  • “The first time you bump… your neck feels as though you’ve been in a car wreck.” ([10:49], B)
  • “That reaction right there in that freeze frame is real… what penetrates the adrenaline shield is the Lego.” ([14:14], B)
• On Professional Wrestling & Wall Street as Metaphor:
  • “Everything is pro wrestling… The skill set, the moral hazards, everything, fact, fiction being blurred. All of this feels like the ultimate American metaphor.” ([27:44], A)
• JP Lehman Promo: ([44:02]–[46:21])
  • “What do I look like, Larsa Pippin? Do I look like Jordan Hudson?... You are a barnacle on the hull of the passing frigate that is mainstream sports culture… You are a leech. You are an ab. Solute leech... My name is JP Lehman. I am the Wall street fat cat. I am the BSD of NYC. I am too big to fail. And you and your stupid little show can take that to the bank.”
• On “Going Public”:
  • “That JP Lehman IPO, so to speak, was a really difficult decision.” ([25:42], B)
• On Uniting Passions and Work:
  • “Most importantly, I think this all works when both of these things happen, the day job feeds the character… the character also impacts the day job.” ([26:53], B)
• On Inspiration to Others:
  • “If someone leaves a show and says ‘I want to play guitar or… paint or… learn piano’—I’m convinced everyone has a quirk like this. You either suppress it or embrace it.” ([41:58], B)

Notable Segments & Timestamps

• 00:00–03:09: Introduction; revealing alter ego
• 03:32–05:25: Signature wrestling moves explained
• 07:02–08:54: Balancing Wall Street and wrestling; independent scene
• 10:49–14:36: Physical pain, training, and “Legos” moment
• 14:47–17:12: Most serious injury; family reaction
• 20:23–21:44: How finance world shapes wrestling persona
• 21:47–24:01: “Client call” spot in the ring; blending finance and wrestling drama
• 26:04–26:53: Why wrestling isn’t about money
• 31:12–36:24: Recapping matches: JP Lehman vs Effie; stock market street fight, crowd reactions, and spontaneous in-ring moments
• 40:44–42:59: Embracing visibility, identity, and inspiring others
• 44:02–46:21: Full JP Lehman promo unleashed on Pablo

Tone and Style

• Conversational, quick-witted, self-deprecating banter
• Deeply detailed, with playful but pointed finance references
• Blend of earnest life advice and tongue-in-cheek wrestling theater

Why Listen?

This episode isn’t just about a guy in a suit doing wrestling moves. It’s about the masks we wear, the passions we suppress, and the healing power of fully embracing who we are—whether that’s at a Midtown boardroom table or as a “Wall Street Fat Cat” body-slamming someone onto a pile of Legos for a bunch of cheering brewery fans.

Closing Gem:

“My business school roommate once said, 'I wish I loved anything as much as you love pro wrestling.' … Everyone has one of these things. They just need to find it and let it bloom.” ([41:58], B)