This Is Share & Tell… Now: Katie Nolan, Charlotte Wilder, Pablo, and Our Respective Enemies

Summary

Pablo Torre Finds Out

Episode: This Is Share & Tell… Now: Katie Nolan, Charlotte Wilder, Pablo, and Our Respective Enemies
Date: February 22, 2024
Guests: Katie Nolan, Charlotte Wilder

Episode Overview

This episode is a classic "Share & Tell" roundtable where Pablo Torre is joined by Katie Nolan and Charlotte Wilder. Together, they deliver a blend of candid story-sharing, comedic musings, and reflective takes on both pop culture and the human condition. The main themes explored are:

• An enthusiastic takedown (and reluctant defense) of Jennifer Lopez’s recent music film This Is Me… Now
• An exploration of the concept of “doing nothing” (Niksën/bed-rotting/herkle-derkling) and the associated guilt
• A delightfully honest conversation about identifying, nurturing, and vanquishing enemies (real, professional, hypothetical)

The trio’s rapport, self-deprecating humor, and ability to bounce between the deeply silly and sneakily insightful is on full display.

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Segment 1: Katie Nolan—Dog Nails, Press-ons, and Olive Fingers

[00:29–02:33]

• Katie recounts experimenting with press-on nails for the sole purpose of scratching her dog, Myrtle, and muses on feeling awkward and "alien" with them.
  • “They’re unhygienic as hell. All they are for is scratching my dog.” — Katie Nolan [01:50]
  • Pablo jokes, “These are horrifying.” [02:12]
• The segment devolves into a gentle roast about childhood memories of olives on fingers and the feeling of alienation this brings, with Charlotte quipping, “Whenever I do that…I feel like an alien.” [02:26]

Notable Tone: Playful, self-deprecating, relatable

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Segment 2: Share & Tell—The JLo Movie “This Is Me…Now”

[02:57–17:35]

Summary of the JLo "Music Film"

• Katie brings to the group This Is Me…Now, describing it as “a cinematic masterpiece that many may not know exists…a long music video.” [03:08]
  • “It’s a movie, right? But it’s a music video. And it’s selling itself as a musical odyssey. Written by JLo, funded by JLo, produced by JLo, acted by JLo…” — Katie Nolan [04:48]
  • Pablo: “I don’t think solo porn that feels like it was generated by that new AI…” [05:29]
• The group watches the trailer and launches into an extended, critical, and hilarious breakdown:
  • Plot points include a biker crash, a steampunk heart factory powered by petals, an assembly line of women, zodiacal council (celebrity cameos), and allegories for JLo’s real-life relationships.

Breakdown & Discussion

• Allegorical elements are dissected, with skepticism and confusion.
  • “She’s always getting married, she’s got a new boyfriend. Every relationship to relationship. She just loves love too much.” — Katie Nolan [08:58]
  • Neil deGrasse Tyson is spotted cosplaying as a celestial judge. [09:20]
  • Charlotte defends JLo’s earnestness, referencing her emotional connection to the halftime show: “I loved her halftime show so much…she’s just intense and you’re just right there with her.” [07:52]
• Pablo frames the film as an endless nested Russian doll:
  • “There is a documentary, a making of documentary about a film that is about the making of Jennifer Lopez’s life. And so I just want a documentary about the making of documentary. I want this to be a Russian nesting doll, a hall of mirrors of JLo…” [08:23]
• The group debates the documentary’s only possible “deep point”: self-love. Katie is skeptical:
  • “So to be clear, we’re saying that the woman who made an entire movie about herself doesn’t love herself enough.” [13:25]
• General agreement: the film is a wild, self-indulgent ride whose greatest unintentional virtue is as “so bad it’s compelling” viewing.
  • “As much as we make fun of it, thank you for making it. It’s a bonding experience.” — Katie Nolan [17:35]
  • Pablo: “The compliment when you don’t like something is always ‘thank you for making this.’” [17:35]

[Key Section: Detailed JLo film breakdown [03:08–17:35]]

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Segment 3: Doing Nothing—On “Niksën,” Bed-Rotting, and Guilt

[18:51–30:55]

The Dutch Art of Doing Nothing

• Charlotte introduces the concept of “Niksën,” from author Olga Mecking—a Dutch philosophy of embracing idleness as an antidote to burnout.
  • “She’s saying that a cure for burnout…is to just do nothing. And she’s trying to give people permission to do nothing, but in telling them how to do nothing, she’s doing something.” — Charlotte Wilder [19:18]
• The group banters about new terms (“bed-rotting,” “herkle-derkling”) for very old phenomena, noting Gen Z’s penchant for rebranding ordinary behaviors and The Times’ penchant for trend pieces.
  • “There’s an old Scottish phrase for spending idle time awake in bed, which is ‘Herkle-Derkling’.” — Pablo Torre [23:06]

Personal Experiences & Mental Health

• Katie candidly distinguishes deliberate rest from the “doing nothing” mode that accompanies depression, noting guilt as a recurring emotion.
  • “I have depression. So my experience with this topic is not one you should model your life after.” — Katie Nolan [23:12]
• Charlotte and Pablo examine the modern compulsion to always be consuming content, linking productivity with self-worth and acknowledging generational anxiety.
  • “Are we all searching for nothing as an antidote to being overwhelmed with something?” — Pablo Torre [24:23]
• Takeaway: True “doing nothing” is rare and culturally discouraged—but, as Charlotte suggests, “letting yourself off the hook” is vital for well-being.
  • “You shouldn’t feel guilty for doing something or not doing something or whatever. It’s like finding that inner peace or Zen…” — Charlotte Wilder [24:59]
• Katie: “What it is making me examine more closely is my need to be watching or consuming something and calling that doing nothing.” [25:41]
  • Pablo reframes “nothing” as “something” through the lens of this very podcast.

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Segment 4: Enemies—Nick Wright, Rivals, and Personal Grudges

[31:05–44:31]

Pablo’s Enemies List—Origins

• Prompted by an audio clip of Nick Wright declaring Pablo his “rival” and vowing to “vanquish” him [32:13], Pablo reveals he’s begun keeping a list of enemies.
  • “I have a list of enemies I put into my notepad app. Number one is Vivek Ramaswamy…deserving of yelling at. Number two is currently Nick Wright.” — Pablo Torre [33:13]
• This segues into a conversation about rivalry as motivation (content vs. personal vendetta).
  • Charlotte: “To me, the most powerful thing I can do is not name [my enemies], not let them know I ever think about them, and then succeed.” [34:16]
  • Charlotte details past Twitter beefs and the hollow feeling of “winning” internet pile-ons (e.g., her headline-making Ed Werder spat) [37:43–39:40].
  • Katie catalogs her own “enemies” and notes the petty satisfaction in not showing mercy if given the chance [39:44–41:01].

Professional Rivalry as Content

• The group considers how much “kayfabe” or performative antagonism factors into these relationships, with Pablo resolving to “play this up.”
  • Pablo: “I’m an enemies guy now.” [46:49]
• They brainstorm ways for Pablo to “vanquish” Nick Wright in classic sports debate fashion.
  • Katie: “Say something like Nick Wright…more like Nick Wrong.” [41:12]
• Pablo delivers a tongue-in-cheek promo:
  • “Nick Wright, you dress so much better than you deserve to because you don’t know how to dress. In fact, your wife dresses you and she’s so good at it…And you are defrauding America because you should look like an idiot.” [44:05]

Notable Quotes:

• “If given the chance to bring negative or positive outcomes into their life, I will choose negative.” — Katie Nolan [39:44]
• “I think the reason we feel guilty is because ultimately we're doing — we never do anything. There's never anything we do.” — Katie Nolan [30:42]

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Closing Banter & Reflections

[44:31–47:46]

• Rapid-fire, comedic “what did we learn?”
  • Katie, mocking: “What did JLo teach you? It’s not really worth anything.” [45:14]
  • Charlotte, deadpan: “Love yourself, hate everybody else.” [45:18]
  • Pablo, on his new villain arc: “I think hate is going to work for me this year, 2024.” [45:11]
• The trio reflects on the show’s unruliness, lack of clear purpose, and why that is, in fact, delightful:
  • “What the f*** is this? And do people like it?” — Katie Nolan [45:37]
  • “Somehow they do.” — Pablo Torre [45:44]
  • “I love doing this.” — Charlotte Wilder [45:45]

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Notable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Press-on Nails for Dogs:

  • “All they are for is scratching my dog. Think I’ve been putting them in my mouth.” — Katie Nolan [01:50]
  • “These are horrifying.” — Pablo Torre [02:12]

• On JLo’s Movie:

  • “It’s a musical odyssey. Written by JLo, funded by JLo, produced by JLo…” — Katie Nolan [04:48]
  • “It felt like solo porn that feels like it was generated by that new AI…” — Pablo Torre [05:29]
  • “The woman who made an entire movie about herself doesn't love herself enough.” — Katie Nolan [13:25]

• On Doing Nothing:

  • “My experience with this topic is not one you should model your life after.” — Katie Nolan [23:12]
  • “Being kinder to yourself is fundamentally what all of these headlines are really saying.” — Pablo Torre [27:44]

• On Enemies:

  • “He called you a rival, not an enemy. I think that’s a compliment.” — Katie Nolan [33:44]
  • “If given the chance to bring negative or positive outcomes into their life, I will choose negative.” — Katie Nolan [39:44]
  • “Nick Wright, you dress so much better than you deserve to…You are defrauding America.” — Pablo Torre [44:05]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Katie’s Dog Nail Story: [00:29–02:33]
• JLo Movie Breakdown: [03:08–17:35]
• “Doing Nothing” & Mental Health: [18:51–30:55]
• Enemies and Rivalry: [31:05–44:31]
• End Reflections: [44:31–47:46]

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Final Tone and Takeaways

The episode served up pop culture analysis, confessional therapy, and comedic antagonism, holding listeners' attention with quick-witted, relatable exchanges. Its heart lay in the trio’s willingness to both roast and reflect, equally at ease debating the virtues of intentional idleness or JLo’s music-movie fever dream as they are plotting tongue-in-cheek rivalries.

“Thank you for making this.” — Katie Nolan, summarizing the spirit of the hour [17:35]

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Transcript

[Pablo Torre]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out I am Pablo Torre. And today we're gonna find out what this sound is. Nick Wright, you right after this ad.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You're listening to Giraffe Kings.

[Katie Nolan]

I wanted to try to be a girl, so I put on these glue. Like literal press on nails.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. I was gonna say Katie Nolan has black lives.

[Katie Nolan]

They're crazy.

[Pablo Torre]

And I've been afraid to say they're wild.

[Katie Nolan]

And I tried them and immediately looked down and was like, so no, this is not a look for me because I'm. I'm never gonna be the girl that goes and gets her nails done at a salon for however long that takes. It's just not me. So I tried the press ons just to check in on the tech because I haven't used a press on since prom when I pressed on my little French manicure that I didn't want to go get done by somebody else. Anyway, the tech has gotten better. Still looks wrong on me.

[Pablo Torre]

Problem is, you do kind of look like. Like an X Men villain.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a Halloween costume. It looks like I just took a Halloween costume off. Problem is I scratched Myrtle with him and she loves it. Now I'm constantly looking for any edge over Dan because Dan is the baby face when it comes to Myrtle. And I'm the heel because I am the. The one who is like the disciplinarian. The one who says like, no, you can't. And Dan's like, take all these treats.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Nice one.

[Katie Nolan]

This has given me the edge. And so if you've ever wondered how much I love my dog, it's. I'm willing enough that I'm willing to make public appearances with ridiculous looking fingernails, which you can't help but talk with once you have them. Yeah. That you wouldn't normally do. I'm willing to do this and take the hit that it will. Everyone's gonna have something to say because I know when I get home that dog is gonna pick me because I give her a little.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Are you gonna keep doing it?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Also, these are unhygienic as hell. All they are for is scratching my dog. Think I've been putting them in my mouth.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Don't they have like little pet scratchers?

[Katie Nolan]

Probably. She hates those. But these, it's like my fingers, but better. So look for me with new nails all the time.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That's actually the nail tagline.

[Katie Nolan]

Please, my dog.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah, it's like your. Your fingers.

[Katie Nolan]

My fingers, but better. Look, there's glue all over it. I couldn't do it.

[Pablo Torre]

These are horrifying.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, they're pretty sick though. If I blur my eyes enough, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a grown woman. But then if I blur my eyes too much, I'm like, oh, I have olives on the ends of my fingers and I'm gonna eat them all at the dinner table.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah. The black olives from the can. Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what it looks like to me.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Whenever I do that. When put the olives on my hands.

[Katie Nolan]

Which is a lot. Right?

[Charlotte Wilder]

But every time I have them and you go like this. I feel like an alien.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's an alien somewhere is like, that is now my enemy. Cuz she thinks we're just people with olives on our fingers.

[Pablo Torre]

This may be a terrible way to begin today's Share and Tell. I cannot actually know for sure until we try it, but. Katie Nolan, what did you bring us today?

[Katie Nolan]

I brought a cinematic masterpiece that many may not know exists. You can find it on Amazon Prime. It's JLo's new film. And that's in air quotes. This is me. Dot, dot, dot. Now.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's take a look at the trailer.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I know what they say about me, about hopeless romantics. That we're weak. And I'm not weak. I learned the hard way not all love stories have a happy ending.

[Pablo Torre]

Time's up. Let's pick this back up next week.

[Charlotte Wilder]

This is me.

[Pablo Torre]

It's never enough for you.

[Katie Nolan]

He's a liar.

[Nick Wright]

I've never lied to you.

[Pablo Torre]

The constant criticism, she thinks I'm her employee.

[Katie Nolan]

Being with you feels like home.

[Charlotte Wilder]

But I left home for a reason. Whenever someone asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up, my answer was always in love.

[Katie Nolan]

All right, so it's a lot. It's a total runtime, something like 55 minutes. A lot of that's credits. But it's a. It's a long music video. For the sake of anybody who hasn't seen it before, we all praise it.

[Pablo Torre]

The fact that you're about to try to summarize this is itself a daunting task.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's a movie. Right. But it's a music video. And it's selling itself as a musical odyssey. Written by JLo, funded by JLo, produced by JLo, acted by JLo, written by. I don't actually. Don't know.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She had one other person write, but she wrote that. One other person. I. I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

One other person. A person I'm sure felt empowered to say no to. JLO on the movie about JLo.

[Pablo Torre]

Definitely.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think I heard a single line of dialogue in this film school project.

[Pablo Torre]

In this.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think I heard a single line of dialogue in this play. In this soft core solo porn.

[Pablo Torre]

In this. I don't think solo porn that feels like it was generated by that new AI that just came out where you put a prompt and it makes a video for you.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

That also is being staged inside of like a very expensive Las Vegas hotel lobby.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think I heard a single line in that that I'd never heard anywhere before.

[Pablo Torre]

I know you feel like nobody gets you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I don't even get me.

[Katie Nolan]

But anyway, so the. The movie starts with her riding on the back of a motorcycle with a man. And then she falls off and she gets hurt. Boom. We're in our first scene. It's a factory. Her heart, which is this big steampunk thing in the middle of the factory isn't is about to break. And it's very metaphorical.

[Pablo Torre]

There's a factory line.

[Katie Nolan]

All women.

[Charlotte Wilder]

And the big tubes say tear ducts on them.

[Katie Nolan]

These are all important details. And we find out that it runs on flower petals. Flower petals, flower are all dead. And. And JLO is dancing this whole time while a song of hers plays. At one point she raps in it.

[Pablo Torre]

There is though a cast of friends who are like this. It's like if inside out. Instead of Pixar making that, it was JLo. And it's just individual representations of what feels like feelings.

[Katie Nolan]

But they're supposedly her friends. They don't say a single nice word about her throughout the entire film. But. So you, you meet Fat Joe, who is just Joe in this. So please don't call him Fat Joe. That's his other life. Dr. Very different is her therapist. He's. If. If we're taking him at face value as a therapist, he should consider a different line of work. It's very bad therapy, but it's basically.

[Charlotte Wilder]

He also takes calls from his wife.

[Katie Nolan]

During their wild, wild, out of nowhere. No reason.

[Pablo Torre]

He doesn't seem to know anything about.

[Katie Nolan]

Therapy except that therapists wear sweaters. I do think he got that memo some good mohair. Many times over. He just wore sweaters and was like, this is me now. So anyway, JLo goes to the therapist and then we go see another relationship of hers. And this time she's in an all glass house and this guy Dr. Drinks comically out of a bottle and is what appears to be abusive. And then you see that other relationships are happening in this glass house and.

[Pablo Torre]

They'Re also going through these tied together.

[Katie Nolan]

And this is also a dance.

[Pablo Torre]

Physically cool.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Dance with the rope.

[Katie Nolan]

Right? And Charlotte, as this film's biggest fan, enjoyed this scene.

[Pablo Torre]

I love you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You know why I think I'm. Why I'm inclined to defend JLo, because I loved her halftime show so much, and I loved the doc about it that I'm so excited we get another JLO doc because she's just intense and she's going through it all the time. And you're just right there with her. You're like, oh, my God, jlo. I don't know why you're making this movie either, because I watched a trailer for the doc and now I need it. I need it.

[Katie Nolan]

I need the doc. For those who don't know, a doc about the movie is coming out at the end of the month that I would watch. I'd watch a documentary.

[Pablo Torre]

Just to be very clear about this, There is a documentary, a making of documentary about a film that is about the making of Jennifer Lopez's life. And so I just want a documentary about the making of documentary. I want this to be a Russian nesting doll, a mirror, a hall of.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Mirrors of JLo, which I think was.

[Pablo Torre]

A scene which I think is.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, it's definitely a room in her house.

[Pablo Torre]

So we should point out that this is also. All of this is JLO attempting to basically present a series of allegories.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

For her real life romantic relationships.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. Which she deems as her life's issue. And the way she's perceived is that she's a hopeless romantic. She's always getting married, she's got a new boyfriend. Every relationship to relationship. She just loves love too much.

[Pablo Torre]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

At one point, we invoke what's called the zodiacal council. I'm gonna say. Yeah, we go to space, though it's not a word. I don't think it's space. I believe heaven, clearly.

[Pablo Torre]

I mean, you go, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is there.

[Katie Nolan]

So it's.

[Charlotte Wilder]

He might be in space, but everybody else is in heaven.

[Katie Nolan]

But it's a. A council of people that represent the zodiac signs. Not all of them. Aquarius wasn't around, but it. It's like Kiki Palmer, Jane Fonda. Fonda. A whole bunch.

[Pablo Torre]

Trevor, Noah.

[Katie Nolan]

A bunch of people that you say, why? And then a bunch of people that you go, of course. A lot of them make sense. A lot of them don't.

[Pablo Torre]

Can we list, though, the potential suspects in this allegory? Because again, I watched this with my mom and she was yelling at the Screen being like, is that Marc Anthony? And so who are the. Who are the people who are like candidates for people who don't know JLo's.

[Katie Nolan]

Whole, like, she dated Ben Affleck, Mark Anthony.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She's dated a bunch of people. She was married, though. The names might surprise you because she was married to someone. Ojani Noah from 1997 to 1998, then to Chris Judd from 2001 to 2003, then Marc Anthony from 2004 to 2014.

[Katie Nolan]

I knew that was a long one.

[Charlotte Wilder]

And then Ben Affleck in 2022. In between there, though, she dated a rod. She had the Ben Affleck first relationship in 2003.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You know, there was a lot going on. And we see those. She takes us to those weddings. She takes us through those relationships.

[Katie Nolan]

A lot of weddings.

[Charlotte Wilder]

The intervention. Her friends have an intervention where they say she's a sex addict dating younger men.

[Pablo Torre]

How do you think JLo's exes were anticipating this film?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't think they worried about it at all. I don't know that anybody was like.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh, no, she needs to give more dirt. She. She really veiled all of her relationships.

[Pablo Torre]

She bailed them out.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Like, who's Derek Hoff in this situation?

[Pablo Torre]

Right. Playing the role of one of her husbands. Right?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Pablo Torre]

Everybody was left off.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I do not think that it is a one to one. Like, this guy represents this.

[Pablo Torre]

So some good things about JLO in this. She is gowns, beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns, beautiful dances.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think, I think she's look.

[Katie Nolan]

No, she looks great.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think she's an amazing performer. And she. I. For what she was working with, what she was acting with, that she wrote and produced herself, she sort of did a good job.

[Katie Nolan]

No, she didn't.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think she did a pretty good job.

[Pablo Torre]

I love that. Charlotte is Charlotte as JLO defense attorney on this episode. I want to keep on. What was your favorite pressure testing her.

[Katie Nolan]

Defense of the movement vocabulary. What would you say were your favorite types of moves?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh, I liked the beginning where they're in the steampunk AI Heart factory. And. And I couldn't tell if they had sped up the. The footage or if that was how fast the dance was supposed to be. That was my. I really like that.

[Pablo Torre]

That heart was powered by petals.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, of course. Which tiny JLO turned into at one point in a Mr. Stark I don't feel so good type moment. That was a pivotal scene for me.

[Pablo Torre]

I'll also say JLo I Infinity War.

[Katie Nolan]

I see What I think you were going for when you only have women working in your steampunk heart factory. But I will say everything's going wrong. Do we.

[Pablo Torre]

Do we skip over the part where she's in the Bronx?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, she goes back to the. I think that comes after the wedding.

[Charlotte Wilder]

But maybe not before. I think she goes.

[Pablo Torre]

She meets her younger.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you know she's from the Bronx? Did you guys know that? And that her old friends say she was never going to make it out of it.

[Pablo Torre]

She's from. She's from something.

[Katie Nolan]

Flowers don't grow in the Bronx, but sometimes they do.

[Charlotte Wilder]

But a tree grows in Brooklyn. Sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

It's pretty funny, actually. But, yeah, at one point somebody says, you know, flowers don't grow in the Bronx. And she goes, sometimes they do. Great.

[Pablo Torre]

And then her younger self dissolved her longer.

[Katie Nolan]

She sees her younger self, her youngest. The only kind of deep point I believe made in the whole film is her younger self being like, you've always loved everybody else. You never loved me. And she's like, oh, my God, I love you. Meaning, like she was looking for herself and other people, and she never looked inward and loved herself.

[Charlotte Wilder]

And she finally says, I'm sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

The part where she learns to love herself and that beam goes up to the. And everyone in the Zodiacal council says she did it. Nobody says what it is. And what is it?

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think it is loving herself.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, first. And so to be clear, we're saying that the woman who made an entire movie about herself doesn't love herself enough.

[Charlotte Wilder]

No, she does now.

[Katie Nolan]

This is her now.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That was her journey. I will say again, in Taylor's defense, I think there was a narrative arc, and I think it was going from true love with Ben to going through it and not loving herself and picking the wrong guy to loving herself and finding Ben again.

[Pablo Torre]

Why would anyone make this?

[Katie Nolan]

They've got nothing else to they. I. I think she made it because she wants us to know who she is on the inside. Do I think she told us?

[Charlotte Wilder]

No, I think she want. I think it's a situation where you're, like, in everybody's head, I think you have this narrative about yourself where you're like, I've been through so much. Anybody, especially anybody who's, like, worked really hard to get somewhere, like, there's a narrative about yourself. There's the bullshit you've had to deal with. They're the people who have wronged you. And. And for. For the healthiest way, I think, to deal with that is to go to therapy, get it out and try to move on or continue on or if you're JLo, you can depict everything because everybody needs to know everything that you've been through.

[Pablo Torre]

It'd be funny if it was a.

[Katie Nolan]

Movie about you doing the thing you should just be doing, right?

[Pablo Torre]

If her friend to therapy in real life, we're like, so I got good news and bad news. Jennifer is. Is very excited about just therapy now. But instead of going to therapy, she has decided to depict what she imagines it is if Fat Joe were her therapist. And also it cost $20 million.

[Charlotte Wilder]

This is like someone who has to get it all out. And this is like someone who does the thing that you shouldn't do. Like she, she. But at the same time, like, like, I mean I keep defending like it. It wasn't good, but was sort of locked in. I was like, where are we gonna go next? And but it also. It made me a little sad that she was so earnest about it. And I was like, we're just gonna sit here and be like, look how earnest this was. Because I was like, ah. Does she think like. Or does she just care that it makes a lot of money? Does she not care?

[Pablo Torre]

So it is.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's number two.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, it's like a. One of the most popular things on Amazon Prime. Her album sales are already like I think strong pre sale wise.

[Katie Nolan]

Can we. There's something I'm noticing in the discourse the last month or so where the. Usually you would hear somebody say something in whatever way on whatever feed you're looking at. You'd see your first interaction with a piece of art or something and it would be someone expressing opinion of like, wow, this is really good. And then you'd maybe a couple days later you'd see other people being like, you know, I really like this. I really. Echoes of the same. Nobody agrees on anything. Now I'm seeing articles come out about like True Detective, best. Best season of True Detective. And then people being like, what? What do you mean? It's absolutely awful. I've seen people be like, the finale is so good. And other people be like, that was the worst finale I've ever seen in my life. People are so. It used to at least there was like a universal agreement of like, this is worth your time. This is not worth your time. And I saw people raving about this.

[Pablo Torre]

In like a non.

[Katie Nolan]

Non. Not in a way I liked it. Right.

[Pablo Torre]

A non sort of like piece adjacent.

[Katie Nolan]

Through the looking glass. They're still back at the.

[Pablo Torre]

Right the way that like I watched. I got high and watched the room with Tommy. We so a lot.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Like, I think that's so bad that you just find it again, compelling.

[Katie Nolan]

And like, again, why I watched this in the first, the JLO one in the first place. These are people that are. I mean, granted, a lot of them are JLO fans who are like, jlo does it again. And you're like, does what again? I don't. What are you talking about?

[Pablo Torre]

She put the pedals back into her steampunk giant heart, which is still not asleep.

[Katie Nolan]

Dan said the word Oscar to me. He said he saw somebody say the word Oscar. And I refused to believe that. I, I didn't fact check. And we all know Dan just says things. He's Vase Voss. Two different words. Jlo, thank you for making this. As much as we make fun of it, thank you for making it. It's a bonding experience, a tremendous go.

[Pablo Torre]

To compliment when you don't like something is always. Thank you for making this.

[Katie Nolan]

Thank you for making this. Look, I'm a lady that's not making anything right now. And, and main reason is the fear of it coming out like this. But somebody's got to make this right? And, and it's been made. And I. The documentary. I will be seated. I'm seated.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I can't wait.

[Katie Nolan]

I need to know. I need to know if the features. Anybody going, I told her not to do this.

[Charlotte Wilder]

They did.

[Katie Nolan]

It does.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's in the trailer.

[Katie Nolan]

Perfect.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's her saying, why am I doing this?

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no. I need somebody else. I need an outsider. I need a. What the hell is this?

[Pablo Torre]

We need the Isaiah Thomas of this, of this film to pop up in the documentary version.

[Katie Nolan]

Kiki, I love you. You deserve better. I don't know why you. It's okay to say no. No is a complete sentence. Kiki Palmer.

[Pablo Torre]

I hope people go and watch that film. Now, the 55 minute JLo thing. The alternative, though, which is increasingly appealing. Charlotte, is the topic that you wanted to, to bring us.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I, I want to talk today about doing nothing. Oh, God. Because I have. I, I have a very complicated relationship with doing nothing. And there's this article in the Guardian about this woman, Olga Mecking, who has written this book, Nixon, which is spelled N I K S E N. Embracing the Dutch art of doing nothing. Now, this is a woman who wrote an article for the New York Times in 2019 about Nixon, which isn't even really.

[Katie Nolan]

I wish it wasn't pronounced Nixon. No, keep going.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's very watergatey. I know she. And she wrote this. This Article that then blew up because everybody feels guilty about doing nothing, it turns out. But she's saying that a cure for burnout and for all of the things we grapple with is really to just do nothing. And she's trying to give people permission to do nothing, but in. In telling them how to do nothing, she's doing something. She found that a lot of people felt really guilty about that. So she was sort of like, just do nothing in whatever way that means to you.

[Pablo Torre]

Right. And Nixon means in the Dutch, apparently translation is, is, yeah, to do nothing.

[Katie Nolan]

Very Paul Rudd in forgetting Sarah Marshall when he's like, do less.

[Pablo Torre]

The less you do, the more you do. Let's see it pop up. Nope, too slow. Do less. Pop up. Pop up. You're doing too much. Do less. Pop down. Pop up now. Stop. Get down. Get down there. Remember, don't do anything.

[Katie Nolan]

Got to do a little more than that.

[Pablo Torre]

But true. Okay, but to the challenge of that, right? Like how do you actively do nothing? Is the paradox that I think Charlotte is circling.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Well, so, yeah, I am both very good at doing nothing and very bad at doing nothing. And I wanted to know how you guys feel about doing nothing. I think I'm an only child, so I think I had to entertain myself a lot as a kid. And sometimes that was just sitting there and like thinking about stuff. Which sounds crazy. It's also why, and I've said this before on ptfo, I don't smoke weed because it just feels like I'm high all the time in my own head when I just sit there and entertain myself. But I also can feel very guilty when I do nothing. As. As. But. And then I feel guilty for feeling guilty when I'm trying to do nothing, to not get burned out, blah, blah, blah. My experience with doing nothing. I was sick a few weeks ago. I wrote a sub stack about the things I have been doing to try to do nothing because I felt so bad about doing nothing. Like, this is Inception level stuff.

[Pablo Torre]

So it's inception level something.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's. Something's going on and I wanted to know, can. Can do you guys ever do nothing? Like sometimes I'll just sit on a plane and like, not listen.

[Pablo Torre]

I feel like Katie and I are gonn different on this topic.

[Katie Nolan]

First of all, can we define what doing nothing is?

[Charlotte Wilder]

She said not watching stuff, not. Not reading stuff, not listening to music.

[Pablo Torre]

Desiring of an outcome seems to be like a through line in terms of.

[Katie Nolan]

What qualifies as nothing and what differentiates it from meditating.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That is also my Question.

[Katie Nolan]

Because meditating is supposedly thinking nothing, existing solely in the moment. Every thought you have in your brain, you're supposed to think of it like a car driving by. Be fully present, not concerned with outcome, entirely present. So I, in that sense, I don't meditate, so I don't, I guess, do nothing. What was the other word that you said? It was nothing. Doing nothing. And then bed rotting.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

So different concepts.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That sounds different.

[Pablo Torre]

So two separate articles but circling.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yes.

[Pablo Torre]

Are related. Yeah, yeah. I'll relate it something which is that and a lot of these articles now it's funny like these both came out in New York Times, Bedrotting, Guardian, which Charlotte was just citing Art of doing nothing, the Dutch thing. And it's of that genre of article now where it's like this is a thing now.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And then it's like the oldest possible concept of like people stay in bed a lot.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And so bedriding, bed riding is what the New York Times.

[Katie Nolan]

Very different.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Also I feel like this is happening because Gen Z on Tick Tock keeps discovering things that the older generations have known and giving them new names. And then the Times finds out and writes an article about it.

[Pablo Torre]

So and, and with the Times.

[Katie Nolan]

Times.

[Pablo Torre]

With the Times is citing. Here is also that there's an old Scottish phrase for spending idle time awake in bed, which is Herkle Dirkling.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. And I love that.

[Pablo Torre]

And I love that cozy morning loafing. Katie Nolan is Herkle Dirkling.

[Katie Nolan]

I'd like to preface anything I say here with I have depression. So my experience with this topic is not one I think is one you should model your life after.

[Pablo Torre]

It's not a trend piece that I don't turn into viral content.

[Katie Nolan]

No, I'm saying I don't feel that whatever I'm about to say is something you should look at and relate to and go sick. I think I have an unhealthy relationship with bed rotting in the sense that like there were, you know, pre medication, there was quite a lot of rotting in my bed. And it was not in a healthy way. It was not in a productive way. It was not as an answer burnout, because I wasn't doing anything. That's why this concept of doing nothing is fascinating to me because as somebody who has defined their whole life by their career, I am currently career wise, no offense, doing nothing. And so I am sort of through the, not to say through the looking glass again. But like I have been doing nothing for so long now that now I'm on the other side being like how does anybody do anything? So how do I do something? Because I don't to want, don't have any. I've been doing nothing.

[Pablo Torre]

I think the vocabulary question of like, are we all searching for nothing as an antidote to being overwhelmed with something does presume that all of us have too much something going on. And I think in reality we probably aren't all agreeing on what the definition of nothing and something is and that the word something probably should be as dwelled upon as nothing is.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Well, the way that I think actually what all of this is about is letting yourself off the hook. I think, I think this conversation, which.

[Katie Nolan]

Everybody needs to do. Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

And it's like you shouldn't feel guilty for doing something or not doing something or whatever. It's like that. It's finding that inner peace or Zen or ability to be like, whatever I'm doing now is okay. And I'm glad you brought up the depression part of it because I also struggle with depression and anxiety and when I'm anxious, I have to be productive. When I'm depressed, I can't do anything. And so these things sort of exist in a. And I think that's part of where sort of the guilt comes in of like, why can't I control my own brain? But then if I'm in a good place and I'm doing nothing, it feels really nice. So I think that there are very different ways to do nothing. And that's something that maybe this article doesn't fully get at.

[Katie Nolan]

What it is making me examine more closely is my need to be watching or consuming something and calling that doing nothing. Where I think I call, I think of doing something as an output and I think of yes, anytime I'm taking exactly input doesn't count as doing something because I'm not do I'm sitting there re watching a season of a show I like writing down anytime something happens that sparks something in me, I'm that's not doing nothing. Well, that's. That's doing something.

[Charlotte Wilder]

But I.

[Katie Nolan]

But I. I see that as, oh, I do nothing all the time. I'm always sitting you're doing something tv.

[Pablo Torre]

This is why when you say when you're sort of like tongue in cheekly saying like, no offense, but this show doesn't count as something public toy finds out available on all platforms. The the way I see this topic is through the lens of this show, which has allowed me to reframe all of this nothing allegedly as something. I watched this Jennifer Lopez movie and we just got a segment out of it.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

For work.

[Pablo Torre]

For work. Right. So for me, I, I feel like the, the unfortunate. If I have a privilege in this beyond, like, thankfully not, not struggling with depression and anxiety in the ways that you guys are, which I, I knock on wood. Right. I feel like I am compulsively, always, neurotically, always trying to stay busy for reasons that are probably not totally healthy. Right. Like, it just makes me feel like I'm, again, I'm doing something if I'm just like, my calendar is full of stuff. I'm wired that way. Which is a cliche that this article is speaking to. But it also, my privilege in this show is I have a job where I am actually turning stupid blow off things that people are doing as their guilty pleasure into work. And so, so, yeah, I guess I'm a professional. Herkle Derkler. I guess that's like a. I would recommend that kids out there do that. But I also think that giving yourself, being kinder to yourself is fundamentally what all of these headlines are really saying.

[Katie Nolan]

Stop being mad at yourself. I know somebody who just got laid off from a job they'd been at for a long time, and she's already, like, making moves into her next job. And I, and, and I, I tried to say to her, I'm like, just make sure you take like a couple days. You're a, a mom. You've got things going on in your. Like, take a couple days to just be like, well, that sucked. I want to watch a TV show. Just relax for a sec. Obviously, depending on the way the world is and how much money you have saved up and whatever your financial situation is, the advice is always different. But it just was this. It feels like it's the same idea, which is that, like, slow down sometimes and feel okay about the slowdown instead of letting everybody going fast make you feel like you're going too slow.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Pablo, do you ever, do you ever get burned out?

[Pablo Torre]

We're. We're living that experiment, doing the show.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Insofar as, like, I am constantly finding out that I like working on the show at night when I'm supposed to be not, not working. And so this definitional question of, like, what is something, what is nothing. I contemplated a lot because I'm like, I love doing this, but also I feel like, again, I should probably not be doing it this often for sustainability, for the, the fact that the pie charter, the pie chart of my attention and my life is probably too much work and not enough family, loved ones. Like, I'm probably over indexing on, like, on the. Hurkle durkling of.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Hurgle durgling of working.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. So not yet.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

But stay tuned.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I do feel like a lot of this, it does have to do with comparing yourself to other people.

[Katie Nolan]

It doesn't.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's like, it's. Yeah. It's looking at Instagram and being like, oh, I just sat on my couch while this person wrote a bestseller. Her. And it makes you feel really shitty. But you know what? Nobody wants somebody around all the time. You got to disappear every once in a while. It'll be much more exciting when you show up.

[Katie Nolan]

And you know who needs to take that advice? Taylor Swift.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I know.

[Katie Nolan]

Go away for a second.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She's got.

[Katie Nolan]

Go away for one sec and then come back.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She's powerful enough now that she doesn't have to.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. And it's just.

[Pablo Torre]

I thought you were going to say JLo, and I was very surprised.

[Charlotte Wilder]

No, JLo's been. JLo was underground, making things, working on this.

[Katie Nolan]

She was nose to the grindstone. I also feel like evolutionary. If you took an old human and showed him just, like, what I me all day, he'd say, she does nothing. I don't pick things up. I don't move things around. I don't work a field. I don't. I don't do anything.

[Pablo Torre]

You don't hunt or gather.

[Katie Nolan]

You. You're over here being like, I work. I work. I work.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You're not.

[Katie Nolan]

You're just sitting there hunched over a computer. No. You're doing nothing.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You're both making ideas. You're both thinking of things. Come on.

[Katie Nolan]

The reason.

[Charlotte Wilder]

To yourself.

[Katie Nolan]

I think the reason we feel guilty is because ultimately we're doing. We never do anything. There's never anything we do.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I farm regularly, Katie. I hoe those rows all day long.

[Katie Nolan]

Ho. Those rows.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I love that.

[Katie Nolan]

Is that. Are you rapping like JLo?

[Pablo Torre]

The fact that Charlotte has been defending our lives, Katie, like we're the JLO movie means we should probably go to the next topic.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And that's your topic.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Speaking of other people.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, God. I want to talk about whether we have enemies. We know you do, because I have been developing a list.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I can't wait to hear it.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm not somebody who naturally ha. I.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You know, that is a big zig where I thought you would zag. You having a list of enemies feels so pure in some way.

[Pablo Torre]

I. You know, my niece, who is nine years old, said something. We were at dinner, and she was like, I've never heard you Yell at anybody.

[Katie Nolan]

I've never heard you yell at anybody either. It would make me wildly uncomfortable to hear you yell.

[Pablo Torre]

And it. I did not know that this was a thing about me that was so obvious to others. It was not obvious to me, but of course it's true. I don't remember the last time I really yelled at anyone. And so trying to generate hatred in list form was inspired by this.

[Nick Wright]

I have a rivals list. Everyone in the media that is within two years of me or younger than me, I must vanquish, and I must be more successful than I have to do it. They are all my rivals. And the reason I mention it is right now, rising to the top of the rivals list is Pablo Torre, and he will be vanquished. The top Pablo is younger than me. Pablo made fun of me a bit on the show the other day, which only solidified that he is my rival. And it doesn't matter that we're friendly. It doesn't matter that he's always been kind to me. It doesn't matter that I was at a Christmas party with him. I will vanquish Pablo Torre.

[Pablo Torre]

And then Nick wright, host on FS1, opened his show with Kevin Wilds on.

[Katie Nolan]

Your talent now, which we all know him as a producer, but on air.

[Pablo Torre]

Talent, correct. Live from New York.

[Katie Nolan]

Spill some coffee.

[Pablo Torre]

Of yours or mine?

[Nick Wright]

Mine.

[Katie Nolan]

Sorry about that.

[Charlotte Wilder]

The show that's going to vanquish Pablo Torres.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, come on. Don't put that on the air.

[Pablo Torre]

Why? I'm serious about it.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Nick Wright]

All right.

[Pablo Torre]

You want to do it?

[Charlotte Wilder]

We're gonna do it together.

[Pablo Torre]

All right. So I'm left here wondering, like, what to do with all of this. And so I have a list of enemies I put into my notepad app. And so number one is Vivek Ramaswamy, who, if you listen to ptf.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I mean, obviously, awesome, awesome enemy.

[Katie Nolan]

Good enemy to have.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Guy sucks and is deserving of. Of yelling at number two is currently Nick Wright.

[Charlotte Wilder]

He. He. He asked for it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, you got it. Otherwise you look soft.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So.

[Pablo Torre]

So advise me.

[Katie Nolan]

He's a. He called you a rival, not an enemy. I think that's a compliment. You think of me. That's very sweet. It's. You could. Yeah, yeah, you could always do the like. Oh, I don't think of the. Yeah, like, I don't think of you at all. But. But. Or put him on your rivals list. Whatever motivates you, because all that is. Is fuel for you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think it. I think it does depend on what motivates you. What Motivates me with my enemies. I have enemies. I'm not gonna name them because to me, the most powerful thing I can do is not name them, not let them know I ever think about them, and then succeed.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So it's me trying to succeed as a form of, well, try me now. Or getting to a place where I have enough power in this industry, in myself, to not be pushed around by people in the past who were able to push me around. So that's. That's sort of my mo. So I don't even know if I would have acknowled. Judged the Nick Wright. Except that you have to. Because it's content. You have to.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So you need. So you need to walk this line where, like, it could you. It could be a joke to you.

[Katie Nolan]

What's your relationship with Nick Wright? You're friendly.

[Pablo Torre]

So we went to this Christmas party. Kevin Wilds is family Christmas party.

[Katie Nolan]

I have my invite lost in the mail.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I don't know Kevin Wilds, but my last name is Wilder, so it feels like I should have been grandfather.

[Katie Nolan]

That's. He sees you as a rival. Because if he's Wild, you're Wilder.

[Pablo Torre]

Maybe just one keystroke away.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Two is he's just a typo of you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh, wait, Wilds. Sorry, Math.

[Pablo Torre]

I. I like Nick. I liked Nick.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no, you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You can still like him.

[Pablo Torre]

So once upon a time, I was like, I would have. I would have reacted more like, I'm kind of insulted that I'm Nick Wright's rival. And now I'm like, Nick's killing it. Yeah, yeah, great. Like he's doing. But now I'm complimenting him and I'm like, oh, I'm not supposed to do that.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes, you are.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I think he was sort of doing that.

[Katie Nolan]

That was absolutely a compliment. He's saying your name. He didn't. It wasn't like a Stephen A. Smith video, like the.

[Charlotte Wilder]

With the very carefully placed.

[Katie Nolan]

Which. Let me just say Dan and I, like, made food and, like, sat down and, like, you know, did the drugs that we do just. And watch that. And what a high point of my recent.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Literally.

[Pablo Torre]

But anyway, no one has line read the word bastard exactly. Better than Stephen A.

[Katie Nolan]

But. But so that's not what he was doing. He said, my. My. My rivals are anybody within two years of me.

[Charlotte Wilder]

How old is he?

[Pablo Torre]

I. So I'm 38, turning 39. September. He is older than me.

[Katie Nolan]

I think he's Ford. Right.

[Charlotte Wilder]

39. Sorry.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm so sorry. But you still have time to invite.

[Charlotte Wilder]

My 40th birthday party, October 3, 1984.

[Pablo Torre]

He's a year older than me.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And I'm a Libra.

[Charlotte Wilder]

He's a library.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

That's why rivals. It all comes back to astrology.

[Pablo Torre]

I, I, I feel like for content reasons, and I should not even say this for content reasons, I'm gonna play this up.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah, great.

[Katie Nolan]

That's fine. I think it'd be fun.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Your face. For the, for the audio listeners, I wish they could have seen the shrug and sort of resigned smile Pablo just gave because that was beautiful.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm an enemies guy now.

[Katie Nolan]

Is it kayfabe? It could just give them, give the people what they want.

[Pablo Torre]

Say he wanted to vanquish me.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

What does that mean?

[Katie Nolan]

Take up arms.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Take away your show.

[Katie Nolan]

He wants to.

[Charlotte Wilder]

How do you vanquish someone with content?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, he wants to cut my head off with the samurai content.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I have an enemy currently, actually.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, Charlotte mentioned an enemy that she refused to say and I would like her to say it and we'll bleep the name out, but I would like to react to who this enemy is.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh well, it's the Kate agent who wouldn't let me bring my fanny pack on as a third personal item, which is absolute garbage. Cuz it's attached to me. How does that take up space? It's only taking up my own space.

[Katie Nolan]

What was it doing on the outside of your shirt? Put it under your shirt.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She spotted me before it was, this was a few months ago. Now I have enough coats that it just smart. I could just, it's just like a tire around my wig. But you know, she, at the time it was warmer and I didn't have my coat on yet and she'd spotted me before I had it and then, but it couldn't fit in my bag, guys. It was stressful. So that's, that's an enemy.

[Katie Nolan]

That's a good enemy to have.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I also actually, you know what? At one point I did have a public enemy, which was Ed Werder, because I tweeted there was a job opening at Sports Illustrated.

[Katie Nolan]

I think I remember this.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Which is something I would love to be able to say now. Thank you. You speaking of enemies. Sure. Thank you to abg.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. Authentic Brands Group.

[Katie Nolan]

I believe that's their name. It's so funny every time.

[Pablo Torre]

It is the funniest possible authentic brand. And they're just a corporate inauthentic brand.

[Katie Nolan]

Shoe stomping out authentic.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So anyway, so and, and there's a job opening and I, I tweeted It. And I think I said something like, if you're a woman or a person of color especially, reach out to me about this job opening. And Ed Werder, quote, tweets it. And he was like, oh, what? Like, men aren't like, white guys can't be good too? Like. And then we got into a whole back and forth. I don't think I would now. I think I'd just be like, ed, knock yourself out, buddy. But I was like, the indignant at the time. I needed to cape for journalism and for. For those who don't have a chance. And then. And like, also in the process, like, get a bunch more Twitter followers. And look. And by the end of it, he was getting. See, weird. He was getting so dunked on that I just.

[Katie Nolan]

Capitalism was what I meant. What are we. What does it mean at this point?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Point?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, is it. I thought we were saying content.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, no, I meant capitalism. Unfettered content. It doesn't matter. It's.

[Pablo Torre]

They're gonna beep all of these. It's gonna sound like we're just saying the actual.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Anyway, by the end of it, and everyone was like, charlotte, you're amazing, Edward, or you suck. I felt so gross by the end of it. I was like, I hate this. Even being like the main character in a good way on the Internet is gross.

[Pablo Torre]

So you vanquished Edward or didn't love how it felt?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah, I didn't. And I have no ill will towards Edwarder. But it did give me one of the greatest gifts of my life, which was the headlines Edward on tmz. This was on tmz, a headline, ed Werder accuses SI writer of sexism against men. Wow.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, a picture of me and Edward now.

[Charlotte Wilder]

A picture of me and Edward are next to each other.

[Katie Nolan]

Beautiful.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my God.

[Katie Nolan]

I remember that battle. That was a good beef.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah. So shout out to Ed. He's not an enemy.

[Katie Nolan]

I have roles I could identify. I'm not gonna tell you who the people are, but, like, I've got one enemy. Enemy light. Not rival. Just a person I don't think well of. And if given the chance to bring negative or positive outcomes into their life, I will choose negative. That's. This list of people is, like, if given the chance.

[Pablo Torre]

That's a long.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not picking the. I'm not taking the road. Less trap. I'm gonna give them the short end of the stick. One of them's a guy who runs a charity that I donated a lot of money to when I did not have any Money that. Then when I got on baseball, he was like, who? He tweeted a picture of us in the booth and said, who even are any of these people? That guy.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh.

[Katie Nolan]

Then there. Then there's a. A. A man who I feel is mostly responsible for the outcome of one of my shows no longer being a show. He knows who he is and it's. We're not. Then there's actually another one of those at the second stop. And he just got a promotion, so good for him. But again, if he. If his path crosses mine, it'll be a D motion. And then there's an X. There's. Everybody's got one X. That's like, I, I no idea where this person is at this point or, like, what their life is about. I don't keep any tabs on them. I hope it's going poorly.

[Pablo Torre]

That guy sounds like a C word.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. An unfettered C word.

[Pablo Torre]

Unfettered C word. Can you guys help me workshop how to vanquish Nick Wright, though? Like a burn. Like a good roast.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah. Say something like Nick right. More than like Nick wrong.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that's bad. So don't do that. But you could talk about his wife dresses him. He can't dress himself.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, a compliment and an insult.

[Charlotte Wilder]

What about something like.

[Katie Nolan]

It was.

[Pablo Torre]

That was. Katie was like, ready.

[Katie Nolan]

I love his wife. I'm like a big.

[Pablo Torre]

I know she's great.

[Katie Nolan]

Don't let her be.

[Pablo Torre]

No, she had a Christmas party. She was great.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You know, I know how you should. I know how you can vanquish negro.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Have him on your show.

[Katie Nolan]

Actually, that's. That feels like he feels like Nick Wright is. And I love Nick Wright. I will say I put Nick Wright on my show before multiple people are putting them on their show. So I don't think Nick Wright and I arrivals, but I will. For the record, I'm only prefacing that because of what I'm about to say.

[Pablo Torre]

You're supposed to be my.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm only prefacing it because of the mean thing I'm about to say, which is that Nick Wright does give the energy of come on my show and debate me. Then he's the guy that's like, Will. He's willing to still. He's strong at doing that.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Which is why he can back you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Into a mental corner onto your show.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I still worry about you. I wouldn't want you to take an L an unnecessary.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I just think invite him on for like a night.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie Nolan might be number three on my enemies List. Marcus Jordan and Larsa Pippin were gonna be number three. Katie Nolan, doubting whether I could defeat Nick Wright. That ass. In a debate.

[Katie Nolan]

A pavilion. He called him a pab.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Now you have to do it.

[Katie Nolan]

You don't go into every fight thinking you can lose it. Is that just me? Every time there's a possible fight, I'm like, how am I gonna fall super.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Smart in the dunk contest.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, dude, I appreciate how much you worry about me.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm like, go for it, man.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It's gonna come out awesome. Seriously. Everybody would watch that though.

[Pablo Torre]

I like that Katie Nolan is the gate agent at the.

[Katie Nolan]

You can't bring that on you ego. You cannot. You cannot.

[Charlotte Wilder]

And I'm like, dude, you've got enough, sir.

[Pablo Torre]

That is.

[Katie Nolan]

You've got enough.

[Pablo Torre]

Too much dip on your fanny pack, sir. What did we find out today?

[Katie Nolan]

That Charlotte's a big JLO fan. That JLO is Charlotte's everything and she believes in the artistic visions and. And I actually love that for her. I do. I. I also would posit that the thing you loved about JLo's halftime show was Shakira. Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Katie punctuating her points with a flourish of nails on the table.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah. I also like. I'll be honest, I like let's Get Loud.

[Katie Nolan]

That is a good song.

[Charlotte Wilder]

You know. What did you learn, Pablo?

[Pablo Torre]

What I found out today is that I hate Nick right now.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Feels like.

[Pablo Torre]

Which. Which camera can I. Can I. Can I speak into to this right here?

[Katie Nolan]

Yours?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, yeah. All of them. Nick Wright, you. You dress so much better than you deserve to because you don't know how to dress. And in fact, your wife dresses you and she's so good at it. She has a store that people should go to in Harlem. It's great. And you are defrauding America because you should look like a idiot.

[Katie Nolan]

It. Wow.

[Pablo Torre]

And you look like less of one now.

[Katie Nolan]

He just cut a promo, folks. Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Y. Also, Kevin Wilds, you're a C word.

[Katie Nolan]

Capitalism. Content capitalism.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I'm just. I honestly, I love this for you. I have. I get a rush even knowing that we're going to be in the clip where you say this to Nick Wright.

[Katie Nolan]

This feels like when a poor from Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan's going on some like, vaccine rant and the comic is just like, aha. That's what it feels like is we're like just here to watch.

[Charlotte Wilder]

No, it's a rush. Oh my God.

[Pablo Torre]

I can't stop smiling.

[Katie Nolan]

Good. Look at you.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It Looked like it felt really good.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm really happy for you.

[Pablo Torre]

I think. I think hate is going to work.

[Katie Nolan]

For me as this year 2024. Choosing hate, you know?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Forget love. What did JLO teach you? It's not really worth anything.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Love yourself, hate everybody else.

[Katie Nolan]

It don't cost a thing.

[Pablo Torre]

This is me now.

[Katie Nolan]

What is this show?

[Pablo Torre]

I don't know.

[Katie Nolan]

What is this show and who's watching it felt good.

[Charlotte Wilder]

This is. But this is why this. I feel.

[Katie Nolan]

What the is this? And do people like it?

[Charlotte Wilder]

Yeah. Good. I like doing it.

[Pablo Torre]

Somehow. Somehow they do.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I love doing this.

[Katie Nolan]

I love doing it.

[Pablo Torre]

I feel like Charlotte somehow has mentally evacuated the premises.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She ran. It's the nicest way anyone's ever been.

[Katie Nolan]

Like her.

[Charlotte Wilder]

She's wrong with you.

[Katie Nolan]

You know what? I bet it was an in an internal 6 o' clock timer because my dog has that. No offense, my dog. When it's time for dinner, we talk.

[Charlotte Wilder]

About it all the time.

[Katie Nolan]

When it's time for dinner. Myrtle's like, it is time and she always gets the time right. I feel like your brain's like, it's six. Goodbye. I'm. Goodbye.

[Pablo Torre]

When she started doing this, I was.

[Charlotte Wilder]

Like, I don't know what, I don't know what. This is why I don't smoke weed, though, guys. You just.

[Katie Nolan]

And I'm so. I, I, I want to smoke what's.

[Pablo Torre]

Inside of your brain.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Pablo Torre]

I would like to get high on your supply.

[Charlotte Wilder]

It is crazy in here. I can't express that enough. You know, when you're, you know, in your high school yearbook, people are like, ly l a slightly lovely, like a sister, Never change. I'm like, I have dry tags. I've tried to change. I can't. Yeah, this is what we're. This is. I'm even medicated.

[Katie Nolan]

It's you now, is what you're saying. I mean, guys, I think what we're learning is actually JLo's brilliant and that everything keeps coming back to like, this is me now.

[Pablo Torre]

I'm gonna keep.

[Charlotte Wilder]

I can make.

[Pablo Torre]

I can't stop thinking about when I could say that.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, you've said it too many times.

[Charlotte Wilder]

So many times today.

[Katie Nolan]

Although I will say, calling it softcore solo porn is. Is to me. It is exactly what it is. It's a lady masturbating, but you don't see any of the good stuff. Jesus. So that was just practice.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And three, two, one. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Meadowlark Media production, and I'll talk to you next time.

[Katie Nolan]

It.