Who the F*** Is Wayne Federman?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Pablo Torre Finds Out
Episode: Who the F* Is Wayne Federman?
Date: July 10, 2025
Host: Pablo Torre
Guest: Wayne Federman**

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Brief Overview

In this rich, rollicking episode, Pablo Torre takes listeners on a “talkumentary” journey to answer a question that has long lurked behind countless TV and film appearances: “Who the f*** is Wayne Federman?” Over the course of their conversation, Pablo and Wayne explore Federman’s singular status as a comedic utility player, historian, and witness to showbiz history—from Emmy-winning documentary work to scene-stealing movie cameos, from basketball passion projects to the iconic “Fetterman and out.” The episode is a blend of affectionate inquiry, comedy lore, and existential musings on fame, with Pablo trying to unravel the mystique of one of Hollywood’s most familiar-yet-elusive faces.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Wayne Federman Experience:

• Meet Cute and the Legend of Fetterman:

  • Pablo shares their odd and memorable first meeting, setting up the central riddle: Wayne’s constant, low-key presence in major comedic circles and media ("Who the F*** is Wayne Federman?").
    • Quote: “At one point Fred Armisen interrupted our conversation and said 'Wayne Federman.' And I was like, who the f** is Wayne Federman?”* — Pablo (01:38)

• The Omnipresence in TV/Film:

  • Federman’s 95+ IMDb credits are dissected, focusing on his knack for popping up in pivotal (yet often brief) roles:

    • Legally Blonde ("Admissions guy")
    • Knocked Up ("Fantasy baseball guy")
    • Step Brothers ("Blind man")
    • Community (series finale, as a father)
    • The X-Files (as “Wayne Federman”)

  • Quote: “I kept appearing in these movies...but it was just one scene...It’s just too much for people to handle. Overwhelming. So I’m in one scene, I do something funny and I leave and I just self-branded it the 'Fetterman and out.'” — Wayne (08:43)

• Comedy Historian & Educator:

  • Wayne’s role as a stand-up comedy historian and professor at USC ("The History of Stand-up"), as well as his Emmy-winning work on the George Carlin doc and involvement in a Norm MacDonald project.

• “Guy” Roles & Self-Awareness:

  • Pablo humorously notes that many of Federman’s credits are literally "[X] guy".
    • Quote: “Let’s emphasize Guy, please.” — Wayne (05:55)

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Deep Dives into Career Highlights

Curb Your Enthusiasm:

• Dean Weinstock: The Art of the Passively Aggressive Douche

  • Exploration of Federman’s recurring character—one of Curb’s most irritating, per Reddit.
    • First appears Season 1, Episode 6; returns over a decade later in Episode 62, "Vehicular Fellatio".
    • His improv strategy: "under the guise of being nice, be the worst possible human being.” (16:25)
    • Pablo and Wayne parse key scenes and the joy of making Larry David break on set.
    • Quote: “My strategy was, under the guise of being nice, be the worst possible human being—passive aggressive… Every time I say it, it’s in a friendly way.” — Wayne (17:01)
    • Outtake: Larry David frequently broke character laughing at Federman’s performance.

• Secret Apple Project with Larry David

  • Wayne and Larry’s characters were re-used in a never-aired, internally produced Apple video (“snow leopard” of internet artifacts).
    • Quote: “Apple hired Larry David to make a bar mitzvah video for them...never aired...for WWDC.” — Pablo (24:47)

The Larry Sanders Show

• Playing Stan Sanders, Larry’s Unsentimental Brother (29:12)

  • Stan’s role: pitches Garry Shandling a get-rich-quick scheme in a classic late-series episode.
  • Federman credits writers of his episode as now making “The Studio,” connecting creative threads.

• The Infamous 'Adolf Hankler' Sketch

  • Discussion of Jon Stewart, Jeffrey Tambor, and the legacy of wild TV risk-taking. (32:01)

Other Iconic TV/Movie Cameos

• Community (father in the Yahoo! season finale)
• The X-Files (as himself—a character literally written for him by David Duchovny)

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Passion Project: Pistol Pete Maravich

• Wayne’s Basketball Obsession (33:40 onward)
  • Details his ambition to make the definitive Pete Maravich biopic, inspired by the mythic/tragic arc of Maravich’s life.
    • Quote: “I thought it was Shakespeare and basketball.” — Wayne (34:05)
    • Discusses Maravich’s childhood, NCAA dominance, creative genius, unhappiness in the pros, and tragic early death (age 40 from a heart defect).
    • Analyzes Maravich’s famous instructional videos—“magician telling you this is how I do my tricks.” (36:16)
    • Pablo asks whom Wayne would cast—at one point, Jason Sudeikis wanted to do it.

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Legendary Hollywood Basketball Runs

• Sunday Pickup at Garry Shandling’s House (41:01)

  • Pablo drills Wayne about the famed games populated by showbiz luminaries.
  • Bob Costas (a demanding teammate), Brad Pitt, Adam McKay, and David Duchovny (the best player, “hands, shot, pump fakes”).
  • Reveals he became “unofficial commissioner” of the game.

• X-Files Cameo Connection

  • Duchovny (a stand-up junkie) wrote Wayne into an episode as himself; role came via their early friendship, not basketball itself (but close).

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Existential Reflections & Fame

• Fame, Missed Opportunities, and Longevity

  • Wayne reflects on his career as “one gig at a time,” despite being “the node” for countless Hollywood circles (12:02).
  • Pablo suggests Wayne doesn’t appreciate his own prominence. Wayne jokes about the shows he didn’t get, (“I never got on Everybody Loves Raymond”—48:42)
  • Prefers to be a “utility guy people can count on.”

• Teaching at USC and Student Reviews

  • Pablo surprises Wayne with glowing “RateMyProfessors” reviews (“Super funny guy and amusing class... the easiest A ever...” 49:20).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I had what can only be described as the Wayne Fetterman experience, which is I locked eyes with you with a latent familiarity that I could not place.” — Pablo (01:15)

• “If Elle Woods doesn’t get into Harvard, there’s no movie. So that movie is about me, by the way.” — Wayne, re: Legally Blonde (05:05)

• “I’m probably just too brilliant—not in my acting—just like, on screen. It’s just too much for people to handle. Overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming.” — Wayne (09:00)

• “I’m just literally one gig at a time. You’re like a multiversal character. ...the only unifying thing is kind of you.” — Pablo (12:13)

• “If I can’t get the role of Wayne Federman, this might be time to reconsider.” — Wayne, on auditioning as himself for The X-Files (47:18)

• “I want to be like a great utility guy that can always be counted on.” — Wayne (48:55)

• “We all love Mr. Federman. Take his class.” — Student review, via Pablo (50:03)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:38 – Pablo’s “Who the F*** is Wayne Federman?” moment at an industry event
• 05:05 – “Federman and out” explanation via Legally Blonde and Knocked Up
• 08:43 – The origin and philosophy of “Federman and out”
• 13:02 – 19:08 – “Curb Your Enthusiasm” character deep dive, passive aggression, Larry David stories
• 24:47 – Secret Larry David–Apple project anecdote
• 29:12 – Larry Sanders Show cameo, family dynamics, “Adolf Hankler”
• 33:40 – 40:35 – Pistol Pete Maravich passion project & genius/sports discussion
• 41:01 – Legendary pickup basketball at Garry Shandling’s house (including Bob Costas, Brad Pitt, Duchovny)
• 45:50 – The X-Files cameo as “Wayne Federman”
• 48:42 – Wayne’s feelings on fame, missed opportunities, being a utility man
• 49:20 – Pablo reads glowing student reviews from RateMyProfessors
• 50:03 – “We all love Mr. Federman. Take his class.”

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Tone & Flow

Lighthearted, meta, self-aware, and bittersweet—a mixture of deep comedy nerdery and existential pondering. Pablo’s admiration weaves through Wayne’s wry, self-deprecating humor. Listeners come away entertained, informed, and with a sense of affectionate awe for one of Hollywood’s quietly indispensable comic presences.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. And today we're going to find out what this sound is.

[B]

I don't know if you know an optometrist. I don't know. No, I don't know any optometrist. Well, I didn't think you did. So in that case, that's why I'm invoicing you. Okay. You send me the invoice. I'm going to rip it up into tiny little pieces and I might even.

[A]

Pee on it right after this ad. I just have to say, like, the way we met each other is. Is one of the most bizarre meet cutes that my audience is already exhausted by because I talk about the thing we were at way too much.

[B]

You've already talked about it.

[A]

No, not, not. You are the big reveal.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Like the big payoff of going to the fancy ceremony we were at in Los Angeles.

[B]

Y.

[A]

And I. I can't say it because I've been actually told by my producer, stop talking about how you were at this thing.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, we don't have to talk about the thing. We can just talk about the meeting as if it was without the environment. With the end.

[A]

Well, I just feel like it's. It's hard because part of the legend of you, it was sort of like through a gradual osmosis as I look, you. You came up to me.

[B]

Yeah. And I know who you are, so it's not.

[A]

Well, but I had a. I had what can only be described as the Wayne Fetterman experience, which is I locked eyes with you.

[B]

Ye.

[A]

With a latent familiarity that I could not place and welcome.

[B]

Welcome to my world.

[A]

But over and over again, these luminaries, like at one point, like Fred Armisen interrupted our conversation.

[B]

Yeah. That happened.

[A]

And said Wayne Fetterman. And I was like, who the is Wayne Fetterman? I didn't say that, but I was thinking it. Now that I can reveal that to you.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's a great way to describe me. Who the F is Wayne Fetterman?

[A]

So I just gotta point out that I do feel confident declaring something about that existential question that Wayne Fetterman has just articulated for us, which is that you, like me, have actually seen this guy before. I have seen all of. Curb your enthusiasm.

[B]

You have? I have. How many times?

[A]

At least once. The full thing.

[B]

Even though it lasted decades, there was only 12 seasons.

[A]

I believe that's right.

[B]

Just so you know, I kind of like to live in the analog world.

[A]

A little bit, which is another way of saying that Wayne Fetterman is both a part of comedy history and also one of its most acclaimed historians. And this is beyond the stuff he's done with Larry David. And also beyond any of the 95 acting credits on one of the most amusing pages that I have ever seen on IMDb.com Wayne has won an Emmy for producing a documentary about the life of George Carlin for hbo. He is working right now on a doc about Norm MacDonald. He also used to be a ventriloquist and a monologue writer at one point for Bob Newhart, as well as Jimmy Fallon. And also in general, he's the type of person who was at Eddie Murphy's 21st birthday party at Studio 54.

[B]

And the reason I was there is because I was starting to do stand up comedy. And my main club was the Comic Strip. And Eddie Murphy's manager was the Guy Richie who ran the Comic Strip. So it was like, do you want to come to this party? It was like, yeah.

[A]

And so, yeah. I treasure the point of view of a guy like Wayne Fetterman. Somebody who keeps finding himself in these rooms that I personally have always wanted to find out about. Even if the entire reason that Wayne and I started talking is that he is a hugely curious sports fan with a particular passion project, which we'll get to. Who mostly wanted to talk to me about this room, like the room we are in right now.

[B]

These gentlemen over here behind the glass, do they fact check what you're saying in real time? Do they signal you?

[A]

They tend to shame me. What happens over there? They're laughing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

At how often they sometimes have to do that. And I don't credit them at all because I. This is just omniscience. I am aware of all of your credits, of course, which is, by the way, a list that I don't have enough time to actually recite.

[B]

We don't have to do that.

[A]

But the way that you are, that guy. This is not an abstract description. A lot of your credits have the word guy.

[B]

Yeah. In them. Thank you for diminishing the whole thing. I like it. No question. No question.

[A]

But you know, I saw Legally Blonde.

[B]

You did?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I, I, I just have to say thank you for being in my studio. Admissions guy.

[B]

She also designed a line of faux fur panties for her sorority's charity project. Uh huh. She's a friend to the animals as well as a philanthropist. Elle Woods. Welcome to Harvard. Well, like I'd like to say, I know it's a small part, but if Elle woods doesn't get into Harvard. As I've said many times, there's no movie. So that movie is about me, by the way. That is maybe of the movies I've done, even though I've done many, I feel like that movie has the deepest social impact. Even more than knocked up or stepped.

[A]

Well, I was going to say even more than your turn as fantasy baseball guy in Knocked Up Guy.

[B]

Let's emphasize Guy, please. Carlos Delgado. Excellent choice. Too bad I got him three rounds ago. You're still on the clock. Oh, gotta do something. Hideki Matsui just took my whole outfield.

[A]

Sorry, Charlie.

[B]

What is this, Debbie? What the is this? That's our fantasy baseball draft. We said no wives. Your fantasy what? That's our draft. The fantasy baseball. I. I told you all about this.

[A]

Got Matsui. But fantasy baseball guy is a key character because look, for those not familiar, Leslie Mann suspects Paul Rudd is cheating on him.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Only to discover that he's been, you know, hiding away at his fantasy baseball draft.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And there in front of the whiteboard, in a role that I can only assume you had prior experience with, there is Wayne Fetterman holding the stopwatch, running the draft.

[B]

And here's the thing you should know about me. Paul Rudd was an expert at this. I am not. I'm not really a baseball guy, so that's how good actor I am. Did it look like I knew what I was doing?

[A]

You were authoritative.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And also pathetic in the way that any good fantasy baseball draft did.

[B]

You know who was also sitting right there next to Paul Rudd? Director Paul Feig. It's a Paul Paul situation. Who I used to do stand up with. I mean, you're the way I'm a bridge to another time.

[A]

I should clarify that. When you reference stand up and comedy, you are also famed. And this is not even me kissing your ass. It's like objectively true. You're a professor of standup comedy at usc.

[B]

Correct. But really what I teach there is the history of stand up comedy. Because I do teach a class, an advanced class in it, but you can't teach anyone to be funny, so it's sort of a rip off for those students.

[A]

Well, you're also the author of the history of Stand up comedy. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And as well as again, yet more things which I guess we'll just unfurl as we go.

[B]

Is it too much for you?

[A]

No, it's just. It's just I have an. I have a text file on my computer that resembles my attempt at organizing your life.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I haven't even gotten to the fact that you're also blind, man.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

In Stepbrothers.

[B]

Hey, Robert, what's all the commotion? Hey. Hey, Don. Is that your wife? Nancy? Right here, Don. Can I come over this afternoon and touch your face? Sure. Thanks. Good luck, guys. We'll see you, Don. Let's go, Cinnamon. Heal, Cinnamon. One of the greatest roles. The greatest. Fetterman and outs. No question.

[A]

So the Federman and out.

[B]

Yes. Please explain what happened. I kept appearing in these movies, not so much on television, but it was in just one scene. Legally blind as Admissions Guy, Blind guy and Stepbrothers. So I was. And then I was like, okay, this is now a thing where I'm. No one wants to see me more than once. Or as I say it, I'm probably just too brilliant. Not in my acting. Just like on screen. It's just too much for people to handle. Overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming. So I'm in one scene, I do something funny and I leave and I just self branded it the Fetterman and out again. Nobody really knows about it, but I just think it's funny to say.

[A]

I mean, 50 first dates, 40 year old virgin. And it's just the movies with numbers in them, I guess as I keep on going here.

[B]

They're funny.

[A]

But you're. But you're also. By the way, this is the other part. One of my favorite shows ever is Community.

[B]

It is, yes. Have you seen the Full.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Even.

[A]

Even on Yahoo. Even on.

[B]

That's the season I was so the last. Can I ask you a question just to please turn around a little bit? Like when I went to Yahoo. As a Community fan, how did it feel?

[A]

It took me years to get to.

[B]

It did.

[A]

I'm not gonna lie.

[B]

Not. Why would you start lying?

[A]

Well, because I just.

[B]

Why would you even say you would.

[A]

Because I am as. I'm a journalist, Wayne. That's the difference between me and the other people you appeared on podcast.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I'm here with an obligation to tell the truth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And despite loving Community.

[B]

Loving it.

[A]

Loving it.

[B]

So, yeah, that's really what I want.

[A]

Confused by how much I love a show that you yourself were a pivotal in the end.

[B]

No, of course. Before we get to that, I just, I'm just. This is new in television where a television show is da da da da da da da. And then right at the end goes to a whole different section of the broadcast. Yeah. The broadcast world. Yeah. And you resisted it.

[A]

It took a while.

[B]

Tell me why.

[A]

Because I. To To.

[B]

To. To.

[A]

To describe my frustration and my awe of how media works. Now, there are just a zillion things. And once you're out of my point of view, I unfortunately might love you, but I will forget you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which I think brings us back to you, because you have often been literally in my line of sight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you keep on coming back to the point that you are like, the final. You play. The role you play in Community, by the way, in the finale. In the series finale.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is that of father, not guy. This is a big. This is a big.

[B]

This is a big jump for me.

[A]

Big evolutionary development.

[B]

I couldn't sleep tonight before, I was like, I'm not a guy. Who am I? A father. Okay, okay. Let me work on this character. Sorry, dad.

[A]

Guess I win.

[B]

You stupid child. Nobody's winning anything. Don't you see? This means we don't exist. We're not created by God, created by a joke. We were never born, and we will never actually live.

[A]

I think you have the most expansive social network of anybody in comedy, genuinely, at this point. I mean, by the way, take it on face value.

[B]

I like that you're yelling. I love it. Wayne, tell him the emotion. Wayne.

[A]

When it comes to the.

[B]

The.

[A]

The theory of you.

[B]

Yeah. The theory of Fetterman, it is a.

[A]

Node, and into that node is. I think literally everybody in Hollywood.

[B]

There is a lot.

[A]

Do I give you credit for that? Is this by design, the fact that you are. In fact.

[B]

No, I'm just literally one. One gig at a time.

[A]

You're like a multiversal character. You, like, show up in the cinematic universes of all of these separate parallel worlds, and the only unifying thing is kind of you. I've been just inhaling all of these cameos, appearances, Reddit threads. By the way, there's a Reddit thread that asks. And again in. Curb your enthusiasm. I should catch people up. You play a character by the name.

[B]

Of Dean Weinstock, not guy again, in movies. I'm a little more. In television, have a little more of a part than I do in film. Go ahead.

[A]

But the question posed is in the subject of this Reddit thread.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Is quote, is Dean the biggest douche ever on the show? Two question marks.

[B]

I love it. I love it. Well, you. You've watched the show all on Homebox Office, I assume.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hard to argue. Hard to argue. You are such a douche that they summoned you. I believe this is doing the math here. You first appear in episode six of season one, Correct? The economy of doucheness.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

You show up as a lawyer and immediately you're like, I hate this guy.

[B]

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi, Dean. I'm Larry. Hi, Phil. Larry David. Yeah. Hello. Hi. I'm finally in the house. Jerry Seinfeld build with his own hands and some hammers. He actually worked on, like, Jimmy Carter.

[A]

How did you get that role?

[B]

Well, I knew Larry from standup. I knew him. Right, right. Standup is like high school. Like, there's. You're a freshman, they're senior, so you don't really hang out that much. But so I would introduce him at the Comic Strip. We had spoken about that earlier, and it was always the same. Anyone who worked with Larry was the same. He was notorious for cutting his sets short if it wasn't going well. So I would injure. Here he is from Fridays, Larry David. He would come up and then he would shake your hand and go, stay close, you know, and that means don't go out of the room and wait for the 10 minutes or the 12.

[A]

Minutes in case he wants to bail.

[B]

100%. That was his move. That was his move. And so I knew him from then. And. And I. And then I, you know, all those years. By the way, I know you think I'm in the universe of everything, but I thought for sure, a hundred percent, I was gonna show up on Seinfeld and some men. A hundred percent. That's how confident I was. And, you know, God laughs. I don't know if you know the expression. Yes.

[A]

Just make a plan.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it never happened. I was like, damn, never. And I knew Jerry the whole. Him. Yeah, right.

[A]

You came up in Stand up as.

[B]

A. Jerry was a little bubbit. He. We had done the first Aspen Comedy Festival together. So again, the disappointments. I know you're doing the highlights, but there's also. Along the way, there has been numerous. Like, okay, this is not quite what I had hoped for. And so when that show started, I had seen the hour special, so I sort of knew the vibe of it. And I auditioned, believe it or not, for the blind guy later that I got in Step Brothers, as you know. Yeah. You had just mentioned, but there's this blind character who, like, boss is also a douchebag. Right. I didn't get it. And then I was like, is this going to be another Seinfeld situation for me? And then the next one was like, all. When you. I auditioned, all that they said was, gave you a piece of paper. You're the biggest fan. Of Julia Louis Dreyfus. That's all they said. And then you went in, Larry was there, and you just improv the whole thing. Right.

[A]

So it's just so I understand. Because again, just the. The mechanics of Curb, which is famously improvisational.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The premise is set, meaning Larry has a wire running across his backyard that he and Cheryl hate.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. All of this is written. Yes, all of that. The beats of the story are written. You know this. Right.

[A]

And so the lawyer that they summon, who is you, their neighbor who needs to basically sign off on the right. Bur the burial of the wire.

[B]

Right. For the neighborhood.

[A]

For the neighbor. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That is set. But in terms of how you do you. How you fed in and out, that. That was a surprise to everybody.

[B]

I found this. Thank you. Does that look familiar at all to you? Is that. Yeah. Where'd you get this? It was in my house. It was under a cushion by the chair. I was just wondering if that was yours. Yeah. I didn't know. Thank you. Thank you. There's a reward involved with that. Just look right in the front part. It says 500 to the person who returns this to L. David. I put two and two together and thought the L stood for Larry. Here was my strategy, very simple, was because I am a very nice, effusive guy. Like, that's my thing since I was a kid. But I was like, okay. I immediately got okay. That I wanted to, under the guise of being nice, be the worst possible human being. So every time I say it, it's like in a friendly way, like, oh, this has to be. Yeah, we gotta get this taken care of. Like, not in any aggressive. The most passive aggressive, I think is the term. It's always been a dream of mine to meet Julia Louis Dreyfus and just meet her in person. And if you could just make a phone call and make that happen, that would be so great. You know what? I'm more than happy to call her up. I can't guarantee. So it's so hard to get anything absolutely guaranteed. Sometimes when it gets buried, you don't know if it's guaranteed or either. No, no. You don't even know if that's because there's a lot of papers to be signed. I agree with you there. But after I did that episode. Yeah. And it went so well. It was sent out as a nominee for an Emmy Award. So they not only I liked what I did, but they liked what I did. And they were like, oh, this is set. You're going to be the neighbor Larry loves, you know, like these running characters. It's going to be you're like Newman or something like that. Someone's cooking. Hello, Jerry. Hello, Newman. Next season they moved for a number of reasons. And that was.

[A]

Yes. Right. They change houses.

[B]

Yes. So I know it's just a funny thing for you, but it was crushing for me, like, right. Because I was like, okay, this is gonna be a fun role.

[A]

So were you surprised when you were brought back? Now 56 episodes later, I love the math.

[B]

Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys.

[A]

Episode 62 titled Vehicular Fellatio.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Dean Weinstock is back.

[B]

Larry. Larry David. Dean. Dean Weinstock. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's be your next door neighbor. Yeah. Hey, man, it is so good to see you. Hey. Hey. Whoa. Oh, Christ. Oh, my God. These are broken. Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

But when they bring you back, I.

[B]

Mean, years later, this is now over 10 years later.

[A]

And it's almost. Yes. And it's almost like an inside joke, if you remember, because part of the. Part of the premise of this is Larry re encounters Dean Weinstock. And the. The interaction is so good.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

In terms of two people who again, who kind of the through line of this whole episode so far is what happens when you meet someone that you kind of remember but aren't sure exactly who it is and the way you handle it.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Ends up being passive aggressive to the point of like driving Larry David insane.

[B]

It's so good to see you, man. That is awesome. Good to see you. Great. I'm sorry about your glasses. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I'll send your bill. Tell me how Cheryl I was. Where'd you guys move to? You what? You'll send me a bill? Yeah, yeah. These are. I don't think these can be fixed. Wait a second. Yeah, same strategy. The only thing was, was like I was trying to figure out how am I going to justify once these glass. That's all I was. We're going to hug, the glass are going to break and you're going to ask me to pay for them. That's all I said. So I'm thinking, how am I going to make this just seem in any way reasonable in the real world to anyone? So that's what I was. And I came up with like an angle on it. Like, oh, okay, okay. He just needs to replace the glasses instead of pay for that. So I went up to him before the thing. I go, I think I have. And he's like, no, no, no, don't tell me anything. I don't want to know. We'll do on camera. And it just. I. I haven't really ever said this, but he was laughing so much during that scene. Every time I would just do the. No, it's no big deal. You just replace, you know, just the.

[A]

Casualness, almost like the bloodless attempt to just coerce you to give you money.

[B]

Even if I did initiate the hug. Yes. Which I didn't. Yeah. That still doesn't make me responsible for your glasses. They're. Your glasses. They're around your neck. With all due respect, I feel like you didn't recognize me. Then I did the hay, then I did the shake, and then you came in, and because you were so embarrassed and so mortified that you did not recognize me, you overcompensated by a super strong hug that broke my glass. That's an incredibly idiotic theory. I think because you're a needy person, you wanted me to like you, so you hugged me. I'm not a needy person. Okay. That's number one. I have no needs at all. Okay. I do know there are some people I have not gone deep dive that are like. They break it down frame by frame. Who reached out, who started, who initiated, who instigated or initiated. Those are close words, but not exactly synonymous. So it was, you know, it was a little. There is a little bit of.

[A]

Yeah. How devious is Dean Weinstock? Is the subtext here, Right?

[B]

Was that intentional?

[A]

Did he fall down in front of a car?

[B]

Who has glasses around their neck? The whole thing was.

[A]

But the whole thing of the.

[B]

The building. To my librarian who wears the clay. Come on. But the whole.

[A]

The whole thing of you navigating the traffic of human interaction only to reveal. Oh, by the.

[B]

I don't know if you know an optometrist. I don't know. No, I don't know any optometrist. Well, I didn't think you did. So in that case, that's why I'm invoicing you. Okay. You send me the invoice. I'm going to rip it up into tiny little pieces, and I might even pee on it. Why are we fighting? We're fighting because you're a moron. That's why we're fighting. You know I have cancer, right? You know, that's why I'm here. I don't want to have a fight with you. In fact, my doctor said to not have any fights at all. Boom. The cancer card. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's just like that Was him.

[B]

That was him. That was. That was. That was the only thing you were.

[A]

Driving towards that payoff.

[B]

And it's been. I would love one day maybe if anyone's listening to Find the outtakes, because he was really.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I was gonna ask.

[A]

How often does he break?

[B]

He breaks a lot. He has a little bit of a. What we call a comedic glass jaw.

[A]

Look, regardless of how often he laughs, I have to imagine that making that guy in specific laugh has to be like a glorious feeling for someone who wants to make others laugh. Like Larry David.

[B]

I'm literally getting emotional. You say, yeah, he's a genius. Like, yeah, I couldn't. Yeah, it was for. For sure a career highlight. Yeah. Now do you know about Larry and I's. You know, the character came back once more.

[A]

Oh, no. This invaded my research.

[B]

Well, this is. I don't know if I'm. All right. I think I can talk because it's out. Apple. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Hired Larry to do an in house episode where he was the guy who approved apps. It's basically. Okay. Okay.

[A]

Apple hired Larry David to make a bar mitzvah video for them for.

[B]

You can imagine the amount of money. Okay. You can imagine the amount of money. And then secret Never, never aired because I don't know why.

[A]

Internal use only. Oh, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is for wwdc, which is the Worldwide Developers Conference.

[B]

So they. I don't know if you know this because it keeps popping up and then getting taken down immediately.

[A]

My favorite genre of. Of Internet artifact is this kind.

[B]

It is repeated. Is there a word for it?

[A]

It's a bit of a snow leopard. It just like appears, disappears, reappears. But yes, he's an app reviewer.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so please take us into the.

[B]

So I'm allowed to talk about. Because I signed. I signed something. I signed an NDA.

[A]

Apple doesn't have a lot of money. They're not going to.

[B]

They don't have legal budget. Right, right. So, yeah, so I've signed. I've signed. Right now I'm bragging, whatever that is, I'm disclosing.

[A]

Yeah, so.

[B]

So that's. So in that one. Dean, he's going in and drafting behind him because I left my pass key, which just happened to you, at home. What are you doing? Tailgating. I just need to get in. Do you work here? Yeah, I've been working here for eight years. Where's your tag? That's the thing I left in at home. Yeah, well, I know.

[A]

Just keep walking.

[B]

We're gonna go in together. You're trying to coast on my security wake. It doesn't matter if the situation were reversed. I do this for you. Situation reversed? Yeah. Or was reversed. I don't know if it's were or was reversed. I would say were. Yeah. My point is, if the situation were reversed, I'd do it for you. That's hard. But you know what? You can't reverse situations. Situations. Only Superman can reverse a situation by spinning around the world, making it go the other way. Okay? And you're not Superman. And even if you were, you don't have an ID and you couldn't prove it, so you couldn't even prove you're Superman. It's the rules. You just follow the. Yes, yes. Yeah, like Germany. Exactly. And that worked out well. Well, they were very well organized. And then at the end, of course, he leaves his and leaves behind me. You need to get it. You don't have your. I would. I would be happy to let you in, seriously. But I learned this morning that situations don't reverse themselves. This, this reverse. It's. It's unprecedented. It's an unprecedented reversal situation. That gentleman will help you. I usually would. I don't like rules. I would never do anything to anybody.

[A]

I'll kill you.

[B]

Just sidebar. What are they? What happens if you break a non disclosure? Can you get sued? Like what it. What. I mean, obviously I'm not worried about it, but just in general, what is the thing?

[A]

We're gonna have my producers just check on that as. Okay, let's proceed. Something that was a lot easier to obtain. And again, so during the pandemic, this is again just the way in which you have seeped into my. The crevices of my. Of my brain. During the pandemic, I got into Larry Sanders show.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

For the first time. I'd never seen it. Knew it as like your favorite comedian's favorite comedy.

[B]

Right. And can I ask how old you are?

[A]

I am 39.

[B]

Oh, you seem more youthful than that.

[A]

Thank you. I think it's just what happens. Just Asian skin.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's right. And your mom. Yeah, if.

[A]

Dermatologist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Do you do botox?

[B]

No. But do you do a regimen?

[A]

I. My mom has. Has yelled at me for 39 years that I should do a regimen. And I'm like, you don't got natural oils.

[B]

Come on. This is.

[A]

I'm good.

[B]

So I'm just doing the math back to Larry Sanders.

[A]

Allow me to be the nine zillion person to say, oh, that shows.

[B]

Good.

[A]

But you appear in a key episode.

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

Again, you have this capacity to just like wind up at these pivotal moments in these series is. And it's season six, episode six.

[B]

Yep. Six. Six. Yep.

[A]

And do you remember your character's name?

[B]

Sure. I mean, what are you talking about? That's Stan Sanders, the brother of Larry Sanders. Okay. Stan, thank God. It's great to see you. It's very too long. Great to see you. Come on in. Thanks for the limousine. Are you kidding? Great. Now I shouldn't have tipped that guy, right? No, I. I completely took care of that. You don't have to worry. Come on. Great. Is this an original? Don't touch it. Just come on in. Never before seen, never before really spoken about. There's an earlier episode where Colin Quinn, I'm sure you know that comedian plays like the son of Rip Torn's character or the nephew or something like that. So it was like, I think that worked so well. They were like, okay, what if, you know, we learned a little about this megalomania's life? You know, a little. And how that would turn out? Yeah.

[A]

What if his brother was again, just like cravenly a schemer.

[B]

Right. Have no sentimentality whatsoever.

[A]

Zero shows up, is.

[B]

Is same kind of thing.

[A]

Friendly guy like going through baseball cards at a simulation of their childhood, only to pitch.

[B]

Only to pitch.

[A]

Garry Shandling, Larry Sanders.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On a quote unquote legitimate business venture that involves Barry, my friend, which guys have.

[B]

He's the guy that can get his hands on these diamonds. They're uncut. Oh. He brings them over from South Africa. $7 million. As soon as they come over, it's $25 million. Everything's included, certified. That's something. Yeah. And also what to do for his.

[A]

Final episode, which is a pay per View finale.

[B]

Yeah. Remember Carson's last show? Last show. The big last show. Yeah. How many people you think tuned in for that? How many viewers? We're in the business. I don't know. 20 million. 20 million? It sounds right. Yeah. Well, that's why Carson's an idiot. Cuz if he had just done a pay per view at $39 a pop, he would have made $800 million one night. That's before video or anything, idiot. Just.

[A]

Which is actually like ahead of its time when it comes to the future of media. John Skipper, former Eastern president, who does this show often.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He often talks about how the super bowl one day should just go pay per view.

[B]

All right.

[A]

And so you kind of presaged the premise of just like, hey, There's a finale. You should drain every cent out of the American public.

[B]

By the way, the people that created a hit show that's on right now called the Studio. Yeah. The two guys that wrote my episode are the guys that created the Studio.

[A]

Were they responsible for Adolf Hankler?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, that. By the way, the fact that that's the undercard in this conversation.

[B]

No, even better than Adolf Hankler, which is insane. Which is like insane comedy.

[A]

So, briefly, Jon Stewart is filling in. So Garry Shandling, Larry Sander is nearing the end of his run as the host of Larry Sanders Show. Jon Stewart is filling in for him in this, like, changing of the guard. And one of the first things he does is he has Hank.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Jeffrey Tambor, the. The great Jeffrey Tambor, the sidekick. Dress and just be Hitler.

[B]

In a game show. A fake game show.

[A]

In a fake game show.

[B]

You won the coin toss backstage. Pick the first category. I'll take 20th century history. Adolf. Good. The cause of the sinking of the Titanic.

[A]

What is an iceberg?

[B]

No, I'm sorry. The correct response is, what were the Jews?

[A]

Sometimes you see a time capsule in television where you're like, how have I not heard about this until now? And that episode was so saturated with just like, all of this happened. This is the season again, the last season of the show.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's just one of the greatest.

[B]

And Jason Alexander. Yes.

[A]

Yes, he's there. He walks out as a. As a representative of the adl, I believe he is. He's a celebrity.

[B]

You're good. You're good.

[A]

No, but. But it all would just say that. Gary Shandling, for you. I mean, this is my way of finally winding around to the fact that part of the reason that we got along when we first met is because you're an actual, like, basketball fan. You're a huge sports fan, but basketball in particular.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes, you are. Unfortunately, for the time constraints of this episode.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe Hollywood's foremost expert on Pistol Pete Maravich.

[B]

Well, there's a number of people have written books on Pete Marovich, but Hollywood.

[A]

I just feel like it's weird that you're like, I love passion projects. One of your passion projects was no question to tell the, I guess, cinematically adapted story of Pete Maravich.

[B]

I've always wanted to do a movie about his life because I thought it was Shakespeare and basketball. Like, that's the story of Pete Marovich, in my opinion. Like, just crazy tragic and, you know, all the beats to it. And so.

[A]

But for those who don't, I mean, like what's the log line of the Pete Mar story?

[B]

A kid who, with a father who's a basketball coach, dedicates his childhood to become the greatest basketball player of all time by practicing obsessively eight hours a day alone, whatever that skill is, and then becomes, just through luck and his absolute dedication to this, becomes this not only incredible basketball player, but a showman.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like becomes a Harlem Globetrotter playing in a real basketball game, one of the.

[A]

Most creative players in the history of sports athletes, period. In any sport.

[B]

Right. Right before the game would start during the national anthem, he'd look up at the flag and then he'd look over to the scoreboard and it's showtime. But he's not happy playing in the NBA. I forget the college stuff where he averaged 44.

[A]

He's the all time scoring leader, 40 points, NCAA history.

[B]

Right. And so then he goes to the pro, not happy in the pros. Says very early on, like, as soon as I win a championship, I want to get out. This is not as fun as I thought it was going to be. And then has a very star crossed career. Becomes all Pro, does great, but doesn't get the chip, as they say. Yes, they like to say.

[A]

Have you ever seen, I mean, I assume you have.

[B]

Yeah. Tell me.

[A]

One of the all time great videos is the Pete Maravich instructional.

[C]

Ball handling and spinning. That's what we're going to go over today. And you know, there's basic fundamentals of ball handling and there's also creative fundamentals. And that's what I'm going to show you today. The basic fundamentals, the creative fundamentals. You can have a lot of fun doing these drills.

[B]

I write about it in the book extensively. It's one of the, it's done within eight months of his death, is that right? Yes, it's done in 87. He dies in January 88.

[A]

It's so amazing to watch because it's like a magician telling you this is how I do my tricks. And a lot of the tricks involve like snapping your wrists in ways that I didn't know were physically possible.

[B]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's a quote from Red Auerbach that Pete breaks the rules of, breaks the rules of physics.

[C]

All of a sudden you're coming down like this and all of a sudden you take that ball and you go right here and you go. And the ball goes on the other side. It's amazing. And what happens, you know what's happened. The guy there is going to eat air you ever see a guy eat air? That's what happens on that path called the wrist path. Right here, straight over. It's very deceptive. How do you throw it? You lock your arms completely out. You lock your arms completely out, and it's all wrist. It's just wrist. It's wrist.

[B]

And then they gradually it, like, incrementally get harder and harder. So they get to the point where no one can do it unless you spend hours and hours alone doing it. And he does it. Like, do it. It's fun. Like, no, Pete, we can't do it. You can do it, so do it. It's fun. So he was just oblivious to how difficult these things were. But I guess because he mastered them, he figured, oh, any kid can master. Not even thinking that maybe he was gifted in some way. So he was just beautiful. Yeah. Those tapes are incredible.

[A]

Oh, but. But you're describing something that I eternally intrigued by, which is like, what does genius actually entail?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there is effectively this ineffable, irreproducible aspect of, like, you can try to copy.

[B]

You can.

[A]

You can. You can grind as much instructional videotape by Pete Maravich as you want, but you can't be one of the truly, tragically youngest players ever inducted in the Naismith Memorial basketball thing.

[B]

Correct. Correct.

[A]

Because he dies at. How old was he?

[B]

He's 40.

[A]

I mean, just like, again, speaking of my preemptive horror of my own existentialism.

[B]

Like, that's right on the cusp.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, we. Again, there are examples of athletes dying young, but the movie version of this man's life, in which he dies during a pickup game.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

In 1988. Because he has.

[B]

Right. Yeah. In California, right over there. Right across the country.

[A]

And it's because. I mean, I guess this is not the medical term, but it is a broken heart. He has this undetected heart defect.

[B]

When they did an autopsy to find out why he collapsed on his basketball court, they found out that he was missing his right coronary artery. Born with it that way, a defective heart. Basically, half his heart wouldn't bump. And it's almost stunning because here's a guy that ran his whole life. Unlike Secretariat, who, when they opened up his heart, he had an enlarged heart. His heart was bigger. He basically had a bigger engine than the horses he was running against. Pete had a smaller heart, but stronger in some ways. So there's this magical part of his career that's now. And because he had become a Christian and was Proselytizing and sharing his testimony very much for the last six years of his life. He has this aura about him beyond the basketball. And he said, and it's weird, you know, I love the guy so much. He said, if I'm only known for being a basketball guy, I would feel like that wasn't a success for him. Like there was more to life than that. And unfortunately, most people, that's how they know the guy. So it's, it's beyond cinematic. And the year he leaves, the very next year, the team he left wins the championship.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

How about that? Yeah, Pablo, how about finding out about that?

[A]

Well, what I want to find out is who would you have cast as Pete Maravich?

[B]

Oh, I don't know. It would have to be. It's. So that would be the tricky part.

[A]

You need a guy who can actually plausibly.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good question. Because it kept changing, you know, who wanted to do it when the book came out? Who? Sudeikis.

[A]

I kind of love that.

[B]

Yeah, he's. He's a lefty, though. Yeah, right. We could fix it. We could fix it.

[A]

He claims, Sudeikis claims to be an above 90% lifetime free throw shooter.

[B]

Yeah, he's very good. I played with him.

[A]

So I want to get to. So this is, this is the segue from. I wish, I wish that Sudeikis would have been Pete Maravich in this hypothetical movie that never got made to the legendary pickup runs that I actually always needed to ask you about. Which also brings us back to Gary.

[B]

Shandling, the Sunday game. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was just Gary took I. Again, Pablo. Gary liked me for some crazy reason. He just thought it was funny. I don't know if it's, you know, I'm from Florida, he's from Arizona. You know what I mean? We're not like New York, Louisiana, rich kid, anything like that. So I, I'm just guessing. And he ran a Sunday game at his house to feel like, I don't know, just part of something outside of show business. And I not only ran, I was in the game for 20 years, but became the unofficial commissioner of that game.

[A]

Okay, so I'm finding out a lot now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Please explain for people who don't know what this is.

[B]

It's a half court game. It's at his house. He had this beautiful house that, by the way, recently just torn down, that he had built. If you ever see, there's a documentary I co, produced, didn't produce, called the Zen Diaries of Gary Shanley, and we get into this how important this game was to him. And so it started with, you know, friends, but it's also, you know, he knows everyone. So it's all, you know, one time Bob Costas plays. It's one time Brad Pitt plays.

[A]

I need scouting reports on all of these names. As you mentioned them. Do you remember anything about Bob Costas and. Or Brad Pitt?

[B]

I remember by Costas because he was on my team is three on three. Three on three. It would play like this. Yeah. Half court. No. Three, no three pointers. And I. Costas was good, but. But he was always trying to make me go down to post up because I am 62, which makes sense.

[A]

You're running a high low.

[B]

He wanted me to run and I don't have my. Here's my motto when it comes to basketball, which is the opposite of David Dey's motto. He's good things happen in the paint. I'm. Bad things happen in the paint. So I'm like. I'm like a guard forward trapped in a. A guard trapped in forward spotty. Like I like to shoot from the outside, crash the boards a little bit, play defense. I don't want to be banging down low, but that's what Costas wanted me to do. And he kept yelling at me, was very frustrated. Like again, he's a great guy.

[A]

I like Bob Costas eloquently yelling at you.

[B]

In my mind, he was like, not having it. He was not. I was like, why aren't you posting up? I was like, cuz, I can't do this.

[A]

That's why.

[B]

Because I can't. Because Adam. Adam McKay is pushing me out. I can't do this.

[A]

If you were to like power rank, who's the best? Who's the best player when it comes to the legendary Gary?

[B]

David Duchovny. Dave. Dave played at Prince Princeton his freshman year. Yes. Played as a. I'm not real good. Oh, you didn't have that against your eye, did you? I was trying to be really careful.

[A]

Okay, so now you guys tell me. So actually, you guys.

[B]

Well, I think. No hesitation of the celebrities. David Duchovny. Yeah, he had an outside shot. His game, everything outside, inside and hands. You know, people are just good around the rim. You could do either hand. Had really nice touch inside, good pump fakes, just friendly.

[A]

Was this X Files era?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So is this how you became. I mean, again, by the way, in the role you were literally born to play? Wayne Fetterman at one point, finally got to be Wayne Fetterman.

[C]

You can answer your phone.

[B]

Me? Yeah. I didn't want to be rude. So who the hell is this guy?

[A]

Hello, this is Wayne Federman.

[B]

He's an old buddy of mine from college.

[A]

He's a writer out in Hollywood now and he's working on an FBI based movie.

[B]

He's asked me to give him access. Screenwriter.

[A]

It's actually.

[B]

It's a writer slash producer.

[C]

That's actually just a hindrance.

[B]

Slash pain in the neck. Yo, yo, yo, Agent Mulder, I don't want to eat your lunch. I'm just here for some procedural flavor. Just a taste.

[A]

The premise of that is that you are shadowing. Yes, Mulder and Scully.

[B]

Right. And Gary was in the episode. Was in the Shandling plays.

[A]

Fox Mulder slash David Duchovny.

[B]

As meta as you can get.

[A]

But for that role.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did that come out of the pickup game?

[B]

It was right before the pickup game. Duchovny knew me from stand up because he's a stand up junkie, whatever. And so he knew my act and stuff like that and then wrote the. Wrote the part with me in mind. He wrote that.

[A]

Wrote and directed that episode as Wayne Fetterman character name.

[B]

And this is a little. He wrote it, faxed it to me. Literally. Fat with the rolly paper. Do you have any idea what I'm talking about?

[A]

We did an episode dedicated to the fax machine, actually.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Because of the Michael Jordan I'm back fax. We.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

You're among. This is a home game for you at this point.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We're getting everything you're putting down.

[B]

Okay. So. So he faxed it to me and he was like, what do you think? Is this something you'd like to do? And of course, like I auditioned for things. Yes, it's something I would like to do. What kind of question is that? Yes, be on the X Files. Yeah, that is something I'd like to do. But then he goes, I'm going to, you know, obviously I'm going to change the name. I just wanted your voice in my head when I was writing it to get the rhythm of it. I was like, I'm going to pitch that you don't change the name of it because it's already about some, you know, a thing within a thing as you said before. And he was like, man, that's a good idea. You sure you don't have a problem with that? I go, no.

[A]

He's like, well, it is kind of like a. Again, a craven guy who insinuates himself into lots of rooms in which he is not welcome and sort of puts his self interest above everybody else's. But that.

[B]

Yes, sir. Yes.

[A]

At the risk of being insulting, did you need to audition?

[B]

I did. Not for David, but for Chris Carter, I think is the guy. Please double check that room. Get to work.

[A]

I think that Chris Carter is the.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Behind these. So I went in and there was, there was other Wayne Fetterman types in the room. And I said to myself, if I can't get the role of Wayne Fetterman, this might be time to reconsider. Can I ask you. I know we're winding up, but, like, I thought your. This show was just about, like, oh, what happened with the Lindbergh baby? We're gonna find out. Oh, what kind?

[A]

Yeah, kind of.

[B]

It's like, so why am I on this show? I, I think that Wayne wants to find out.

[A]

I think that Wayne Fetterman has asked a question that everybody in our audience already has answered.

[B]

Oh, okay. Which is?

[A]

Which is that Wayne Fetterman. What I found out today is that Wayne Fetterman has lived a life that can only be described as that of a guy who climbed into the television onto the screen in a way that I'm not even sure Wayne Federman appreciates, frankly.

[B]

That's correct. That's correct.

[A]

Doesn't seem like you're as excited about you as I am.

[B]

It's like, oh, I never got on Everybody Loves Raymond. Like, that's, that's.

[A]

You want everybody to love Wayne Federman and you are counting the, the missed feelings instead of all the makes.

[B]

Maybe, maybe I, I, I think of it more of not everyone will love Wayne Fetterman, but just like, I want to be, like, a great utility guy that can always be counted on.

[A]

Well, I have good news for you.

[B]

Yes?

[A]

You're a professor at University of Southern California.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you teach this class. And I went on the website ratemyprofessors.com.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm proud to report that Wayne Fetterman gets five stars across the board. Quote, super funny guy and amusing class. Very chill. And the easiest a ever final was literally graded off of completion.

[B]

Yep. For the fine, they had to do a project before the final.

[A]

So just if you show up to class and do the assignments, you will get an A.

[B]

What is that, an insult?

[A]

It's a separate review. There's another one if you need a gen Ed A Look no further. And here's the quote, Wayne, that I want to leave you with because you said that you don't want everybody to love Professor Wayne Fetterman.

[B]

I did I say that?

[A]

Quote, we all love Mr. Federman. Take his class.

[B]

And this is not helping, by the way. None of this, this run, this final, this flurry, this ta da. This.

[A]

I am waving a top hat in the air as I write these screenshots.

[B]

None of that is making me feel better, so I appreciate it.

[A]

Well, I can't win them all.

[B]

No, no. Thank you for trying. Thank you for trying. Right, you gotta throw it out there.

[A]

Wayne Federman, thank you for. For visiting Betterman.

[B]

And out.

[A]

Well played. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a Meadowlark Media product production and I'll.

[B]

Talk to you next time.