NFL Draft With Todd McShay, NBA And NHL Playoffs And We Eliminate Some Teams, Plus Dexter Lawrence Trade And Who's Back Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take — April 20, 2026

Episode Summary: "NFL Draft with Todd McShay, NBA and NHL Playoffs, Plus Dexter Lawrence Trade & Who's Back of the Week"

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode kicks off the most exhilarating time of the sports calendar — the convergence of the NFL Draft and the opening rounds of the NBA and NHL playoffs. Big Cat, PFT Commenter, and the crew (Hank, Memes, Max, Zach) bring their signature blend of irreverent takes, chaos, and genuine analysis. They welcome draft guru Todd McShay for an in-depth breakdown of the 2026 NFL Draft, break down the big moments in the NBA and NHL playoffs' wild opening weekend, tackle the surprising Dexter Lawrence trade, and close out with the always-popular "Who's Back of the Week" and some hilarious listener comment readings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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I. NBA Playoffs Reaction & Series "Eliminations"

Timestamps: 02:57–17:00; 32:28–45:36

• Opening Weekend Vibe

  • Big Cat calls this "the best week of the year" (03:16). The crew is fully dialed into the overlapping chaos of playoffs and NFL draft week.
  • Tons of blowouts mark the NBA’s opening weekend, but even the bad games deliver chaos and wild moments.

• Series Overreactions & Early "Eliminations"

  • The hosts go around "calling" several first-round series as already done after Game 1 blowouts or upsets:
    • Celtics–Sixers (Boston blowout, Philly laid an egg)
    • Cavs–Raptors ("Cavs in a smooth six")
    • Knicks–Pelicans ("Memes: ‘Any team that loses to the Knicks has to invent an excuse’, 08:52)
    • OKC–Phoenix: "It didn’t exist. Was over before it started" (12:08)
    • Spurs–Blazers: "Just too much Wemby" and a party atmosphere in San Antonio (47:37). Blazers roasted for not even providing t-shirts for fans.

• Noteworthy NBA Moments

  • Draymond Green’s ‘Perfect Exit’: "Walking slowly from the bench into the tunnel, flipping off everybody, telling them all, 'You suck my dick!'" — Memes, 04:39
  • Lakers–Rockets: LeBron facilitates, Bronny in the game. "It’s pretty damn cool that LeBron is playing playoff games with his son on the roster." — Big Cat, 20:08

• Playoff Atmosphere Takes

  • Knicks fans "shut down all of 7th Ave" (allegedly), while James Dolan’s facial recognition goon squad was roasted (09:32).
  • Celtics–Sixers: Joking about Andre Drummond’s supposed non-existent Playoff heroics. Max in "maximum pain" over the Sixers, supports "medical hangover beers" as recovery (25:13).

• Quotes:

  "The role that LeBron’s being used in right now is very different from what he’s done in the past — a true point guard, and I actually think he’s really, really good at that." — Memes (20:18)

  "If I bought an NBA team I would not expect to have to spend any more money ever — like, I already paid for the team!" — Memes, roasting cheapskate Blazers ownership, (49:05)

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II. NHL Playoffs — Drama in Buffalo & Boston

Timestamps: 51:03–56:42

• Buffalo Sabres Fans: Praised for "planned alcoholism" (52:11) and bringing peak pregame energy: "Mannequins getting beat up, civic pride, beer sabers" (52:01).
• Sabres rally past Bruins, leading to immediate Boston panic and accusations of jinxing: "You started thinking about Flyers–Bruins, and then Buffalo scored three goals in eight minutes!" — Max & Big Cat, 54:12
• Boston self-lampooning: "Playoffs are a roller coaster for Boston," admits Hank (55:50).
• Quick NHL round robin: Flyers-Penguins recapped by a hungover Max ("Do I got cum in my hair?") referencing There’s Something About Mary, 56:49; Hurricanes-Wild highlighted as the series to watch.

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III. NFL Talk — Draft & Dexter Lawrence Bombshell

Timestamps: 60:55–67:09; 94:08–153:52 (Todd McShay Interview)

A. Dexter Lawrence Trade

• Giants send star DT Dexter Lawrence to the Bengals for the #10 overall pick — sent in late at night "waiting for Mike Brown to be asleep" jokes Big Cat (61:01).
• PFT: Harbaugh probably loves dealing a star to a Browns/Ravens rival, "at least he’ll get to go against the Ravens twice a year!" (61:42).
• "OBJ Ghost Trade": The pick-trade domino started with Odell Beckham's deal in 2019; the pick chain continues! (64:06).
• Both sides analyzed, with consensus that Bengals' move is aggressive but "maybe smart since they can't draft defense anyway." (63:21)

B. NFL Draft Ultra-Deep Dive with Todd McShay

(94:08–153:52; detailed structure below)

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IV. Todd McShay NFL Draft Preview — Key Insights

Timestamps: 94:08–153:52

1. Strongest Positions & First-Round Picture (101:32+)

• Edge Rusher, Wide Receiver, Offensive Tackle: Deepest and most urgent positions.
• Seven OTs will go in round one ("They could ALL be gone by pick 28" — McShay, 106:36).
• Wide receiver depth highlighted, including run led by Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, and Makai Lemon.

2. The QB Class — Rankings & Contrarian Opinions (123:08+)

• McShay’s Big Board:

  • 1. Fernando Mendoza (Raiders favorite at #1)
  • 2. Ty Simpson ("At one point had the best tape in the class, but only 15 starts")
  • 3. Garrett Nussmeier
  • **4. Cole Payton — “I'm higher on him than Drew Allar, give me Cole Payton every day” (97:18)
  • **“I’ll be pissed if he’s not off the board by the fifth round” — McShay, on Cole Payton (100:53)
  • Prefers Taylor Green (for upside) over Carson Beck/Drew Allar, whom he’s low on.

• QB Room Dynamics & Odd Draft Narratives

  • Jets canceling Bailey’s pre-draft visit is "weird" — creates paranoia among insiders (119:14–122:55).
  • Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles called out as hot names for top-15.

3. Offensive Philosophy/Team Needs

• Running backs: McShay ranks Saquon > Bijan > Jeremiah Love > Ashton Genti, but gaps are razor thin (113:34).
• "If the Cardinals take a RB at #3, that’s a luxury pick that makes zero sense for their roster," says PFT — McShay generally agrees (118:12).
• Chiefs at #9: "Wildcard/trigger point for the whole first round" (139:19). No clear read whether they’ll stick, move up, or take an outlier pick.

4. Late-Round Freaks & Mr. Irrelevant

• Physical freak highlight: Rene Conga — 6'4", 300 lbs, 4.64 forty, 37-inch vert (137:02). "Just not normal."
• McShay predicts Mr. Irrelevant: David Gusta (DT, Kentucky) or Jaren Canik (TE, Oklahoma) (151:05).
• The back-half of the interview is a parade of deep-cut names, system fits, and wild card picks, delivered with a relentless barrage of self-aware humor and inside jokes.

5. Classic Quotes

"I used to not be this angry on certain things. The older you get, you just stop caring. Give zero, you know?" — McShay on being outspoken, 96:27
"I just love shuck, man. He's been through so much. He thought football was taken away from him. He's tall, mobile, can throw it." — McShay on Tyler Shuck (133:45)
"Wildcard teams at 6, 7, 8, 9, 10: someone will panic and take a tackle because when it's out, it's out." — McShay (143:55)
"Thank God you made a living out of this because otherwise you'd be a f***ing loser." — Big Cat to McShay on his encyclopedic draft knowledge (150:40)

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V. "Who's Back of the Week" & Viral Moments

Timestamps: 67:09–89:00

• SNL-style roundtable of returns, from mediocre jersey redesign season (Ravens get roasted for "the exact same piping"), to Bryson DeChambeau's fall from grace ("He fired the PR team and is back to being unlikeable Bryson", 71:30; 76:35).
• AI is Back: "Zuck making an AI clone to do all his Facebook meetings. That is a power move." — Memes (81:46)
• Diana Russini saves a man and dog from a car crash—"the best PR money can buy" (83:20).
• Sidemen Charity Match and IShowSpeed at Wrestlemania celebrated by Zach (87:00+).

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VI. Personal Stories & Listener Interaction

Timestamps: 159:00–163:00

• Max’s massive bachelor party hangover becomes a show-long running joke — hosts prescribe beers as a "medical taper" (25:31).
• Golf Video Comments: Crew reads meme-driven YouTube roasts about their golf fits, spearheaded by savage roasts of Memes’ shirt ("Memes looks like if football was a person" — 160:30).
• Wrigley Outing: Zach declared a "star," upstaging NFL wideout Alec Pierce for photo ops (156:20).

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VII. Notable Quotes & Memorable Laughs

• "I cannot watch another second of the Thunder-Suns series." — Big Cat, 16:28
• "The only person I follow on TikTok? Statistically one. Mitchell Robinson." — Memes, 33:43
• "If you buy a team and immediately go cheap, that's the worst scenario in sports." — Big Cat, 49:05
• "Kevin Durant yelled at a fan, 'Get that grown man dick out of your mouth.' Does that even register anymore?" — Big Cat, 22:43
• "I might not remember any of the games, but I sure as hell remember those bachelor party beers!" — Max

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VIII. Noteworthy Timestamps & Segments

• NBA Playoffs Breakdown & Series Overreactions: 02:57–17:00; 32:28–45:36
• Celtics–Sixers/Hangover Segment: 25:01–28:00
• Cheapskate Owners/Playoff T-shirt Slander: 48:00–51:03
• NHL Playoffs Chaos: 51:03–56:42
• NFL Dexter Lawrence Trade Hot Take: 60:55–65:12
• Todd McShay Interview (NFL Draft): 94:08–153:52
• Who's Back/Weekly Wrap-Ups: 67:09–89:00
• Golf Video YouTube Roasts: 159:00–163:00

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IX. Tone & Language — Best Moments

The show is peak PMT: sharp, self-deprecating, locker room energy with the crew riffing, clowning each other, and mixing real analysis with wild speculation and absurd hypotheticals. Everyone gets roasted — from James Dolan to Bryson to each other ("Memes looks like a condom that’s too big"). Listeners are fully invited to be part of the gang, with inside jokes and callbacks galore.

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X. Conclusion

This episode is a true banquet for sports fans — taking the listener through instant NBA playoff overreactions, the eccentricities of NHL fandom, major NFL news, and the most obsessive (yet hilarious) NFL Draft preview you'll find anywhere. Whether you're in it for the rants about cheapskate owners, the deep scouting insights, the Worcester-level inside jokes, or just savage banter about shirt choices, it's pure, all-star Pardon My Take.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Todd McShay]

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[Big Cat]

information on Today's Part of My take presented by DraftKings it is draft week. Todd McShay joins the show to break down the NFL Draft coming Thursday live from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We're going to talk about sleepers. We're going to talk about where he thinks teams are, what he thinks teams are thinking, where guys might end up going, the quarterbacks in this draft, how he ranks them, all of it. Great time with Todd McShay. We also going to talk playoffs because it is playoff season. We had the NBA and NHL playoffs begin this weekend. A lot of game ones take place. We're going to break them all down. And then we have who's Back In a special Monday reading of Memes comments for the pardon my take YouTube golf video that we posted from spring break.

[Memes]

They're just the best comments.

[Big Cat]

They could be about anybody, could be about anyone.

[Memes]

Anyone.

[Big Cat]

And we also have some stories. Memes and I went to the Cubs Mets game on Saturday with Zach and it was delightful. Zach is a star. Absolute star. Before we get to all of that, Chevy draft season is here. Which means everyone suddenly thinks they're gm. Which is when you realize some picks just make sense. Like having a Chevy Silverado. Silverado has the power to haul pretty much everything. Gear, grills, tailgate setups. So whether you're driving to a draft party, a road game, or towing a boat to the lake, you need a truck with strength, reliability and the drive to go the distance. The same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado. As capable and dependable as your top tier draft pick. Silverado shows up and gets the job done. It won't flinch when the pressure's on. It doesn't take plays off when it comes to trucks. Make Chevy Silverado your number one overall pick. Check out the current offers and build your own Chevy [e-mail] okay, let's go. Hey football guy.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, Martin might take yeah.

[Big Cat]

Welcome to Part of My take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, April 20th, and we've got playoffs, boys. We've got playoffs. As Hank said, it's the best weekend of the year, and I'm sure you're ready to back that up with all the blowouts we had in the NBA playoff.

[Hank]

Best week of the year.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Best week of the year.

[Memes]

The best total week of the year.

[Big Cat]

Total week.

[Hank]

NFL draft playoffs every night. You can't beat it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You. You definitely didn't. The NFL draft isn't always on. This week. This week it is. What? This week it is.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But it's during the first round of the.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Todd McShay]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

This year it's this week.

[Big Cat]

This year it is this week. Yeah, it's this week right now. So we had a lot.

[Hank]

Had a lot.

[Memes]

We had a lot of really shitty games. Some interesting stuff, though, like, even some of the bad games. I. I don't think that the. The Lakers Rockets was a particularly interesting game or particularly good game, but it gave us something that was kind of crazy a little bit. There. There were some. There's some interesting stuff to take away from a lot of these games.

[Big Cat]

I. I'm ready to. Now. This is probably a mistake by me because I. I did say two. What is it? On Friday's show, I believe I said that I was. I hated watching the Magic play, and I wanted the horn. The. The playoffs, they ended up killing the Hornets on Friday night. We also had the ending of what feels like the ending for the Golden State warriors, even though they might just run it back again next year with Draymond and Steph. And Draymond went out in perfect fashion where he got ejected.

[Memes]

See, to me, that's gotta be the end. Yeah, that's gotta be. That's a perfect way.

[Big Cat]

Well, here's the thing. If. If it's not the end, he. He'll get ejected again for that. Like, if. If there's another potential last Draymond game, he will get ejected.

[Memes]

Yeah. I thought it was perfect, though, the way that Steve Kerr gathered him around and gave, like, a really positive speech. And then Draymond was like, you know what? I'm just going to do my Scott Foster imitation. I'm gonna get kicked out. I'm gonna talk to everybody in the crowd. I'm gonna take my time. That was. That was his retirement tour. It was his farewell tour. Was walking slowly from the bench into the tunnel, flipping off everybody in the stands, telling them all, you suck my dick. I'll see you guys later. You love to hate me.

[Big Cat]

Whooping them Up.

[Memes]

It was a beautiful way for his career to have ended.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You couldn't. Couldn't ask for a better way. That's exactly how we all envisioned it. So. So what I was gonna say, though, is that I said that I was sick of the Magic and I didn't want to see them anymore. And then they not only beat the Hornets, but then they beat. They were the only upset in the. I guess the Lakers technically were a two and a half point zero Dogs. They're the only road team to win a first game this weekend and an exciting game. But with that said, what I wanted to do is I wanted to call some series. You want to call some series? I'd like to call some series.

[Memes]

Congratulations to Hank and the Boston Celtics.

[Big Cat]

Thank you. That series is over.

[Memes]

You have advanced in the second round.

[Max]

I, too, would like to call that series. I called. I mean, I called that.

[Big Cat]

I feel bad. I feel bad for you, Max, because you got your hopes up and you were really excited about this Sixers team. And you. I.

[Memes]

You.

[Big Cat]

When we left the studio on, I believe it was Thursday, you were like, these guys are right. Something about Andre Drummond. This is going to be incredible. And I feel. I feel partially responsible for getting your hopes up. That.

[Max]

That is a lie.

[Big Cat]

None of it happened.

[Max]

My hopes were never up. I never thought there was going to be an Andre Drummond game. Even as much as you guys wanted there to be an Andre Grant.

[Big Cat]

Well, there still could be.

[Memes]

Yeah. That's just. We. We've only seen one game, max.

[Max]

He had two points in 21 minutes today.

[Big Cat]

Okay. So that. You just got to play him 300 minutes.

[Max]

The Sixers, I think, missed a thousand layups in this game.

[Memes]

That'd be a record, that.

[Big Cat]

A thousand.

[Max]

I think they missed a thousand layups in this game.

[Memes]

They played this game too early.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I think this is. If this is a 7 o', clock, 8pm tip, I think it's. Celtics are in trouble.

[Big Cat]

You get totally different trouble.

[Memes]

Yeah, you get. Drummond's a night out. How old is he?

[Big Cat]

He's 32.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Memes]

There you go. He's an old guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, it takes. It takes our bodies a long time to warm up. Look at Hank.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

See Hank? You play. Hank got to play at his time. Hank's yawning right now. He got to play at noon when he was ready and fresh and ready to go. That's his time. You gotta. We gotta flip it. You're a night owl.

[Hank]

Yeah. They might only lost by 50.

[Big Cat]

You didn't sleep this weekend?

[Max]

I didn't get a lot of sleep this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Max's first bachelor party. Could you imagine being such an egomaniac? You throw two bachelor parties for yourself.

[Memes]

You're kind of insane. Like, we have work to do, Max.

[Max]

You guys are mean.

[Big Cat]

No. Is it bachelor party month?

[Memes]

I think it's mean that. That Max is. Is dragging us out to Las Vegas and forcing us to go on a bachelor party.

[Big Cat]

Fine. I'll go to fish.

[Memes]

Yeah. Max is like, I want to see fish at the Sphere more than anything in my life.

[Todd McShay]

Fine.

[Big Cat]

I'll eat those mushrooms. Fine. Yeah. No, that series is over. I think we can all agree.

[Memes]

Yes. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It was always over.

[Memes]

Congrats.

[Big Cat]

Congrats. Comes back.

[Max]

He's not coming back.

[Memes]

Well, he's not gonna play at all.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is that because of Drummond?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. That one's over. I'm ready. I'm gonna call. I'm gonna call the Cavs. Raptors. I know that that's probably not. The Raptors might win a game or

[Memes]

two, so I think it'll go six, but I think I'm gonna call Cavs in an easy six. And smooth six.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna call it. Memes. Would you be nervous if I called? If I called the Knicks? No.

[Todd McShay]

He called.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

I love that memes. Carl Anthony Towns, by the way. Bad. That's what he said. I'm a bad. And he was. He scored. How many do you have? 19 points in the second half.

[Memes]

How'd your mothers.

[Big Cat]

I think he did.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah, He. He sucked at the start of the game.

[Big Cat]

He was awesome.

[Memes]

Yeah, he had zero points, I think, after maybe a quarter. Quarter and a half.

[Big Cat]

But he.

[Memes]

Yeah, he absolutely turned it on the second. A little bit of bad blood. I like this. For some reason, these two teams, like, they have to start with each other.

[Todd McShay]

Y.

[Memes]

And now CJ McCollum, who's never been a guy that I've seen, like, starting with anybody, is now into it with the Knicks, saying that Jalen Brunson was doing a Broadway performance pretending that he got kicked in the nuts. Memes. What are your comments on that? Was that an actual nutshot?

[Big Cat]

It was definitely an actual nutshot, but this is just. Every team that loses to the Knicks, they just have to make up an

[Memes]

excuse why they lost. And this one was.

[Big Cat]

He didn't kick him in the nuts, even though he kicked him in the nuts.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

It looked like he kicked him in the nuts.

[Big Cat]

It looked like he did.

[Memes]

It looked like a nutshell.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. It definitely looked like memes. Did you enjoy also you. I think Knicks fans shut down all of 7th, 7th Avenue after the game. The entire thing.

[Hank]

That's their thing.

[Memes]

That's their thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, no, but the whole thing, like from, from Wall street all the way to the top, that just rocks. No, I don't think that actually happened. But yeah, that is their thing. Would you also have a comment about James Dolan? It. What did Pablo Torre say?

[Memes]

He's got a. He's got the deep state.

[Big Cat]

He's got the deep state.

[Memes]

So James Dolan, we, we knew that he was thin skinned to begin with because we've all at one point been banned from going to Madison Square Garden. It started, I believe, when Clem did the sell the team shirts. Right? Yep. And then so he tried to ban every. Everybody from barstool. I was banned from Madison Square Garden after getting kicked out of the dog show there in 2017. But I did not realize that he had an active like surveillance state built into his system where he's like scanning everybody's face as they go in and then lining them up to people who are banned from, from the stadium. And he also has a goon squad of security officials that patrol the stadium listening in case anybody starts to sell the team chant.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Then they get on their walkie talkies and their text threads and they hit up the boys and they're like, hey, I got to sell the team chant going on in section one two two. Could use some help kicking these guys out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Any comment? I think he just wants to be loved. His band is great, that's all.

[Memes]

Okay, so I, I did have a question about that. For a guy that needs to be loved, why. Why does he have a band in which he plays the kazoo?

[Big Cat]

He also plays guitar, does he not?

[Memes]

Yeah, I think so. Oh, saxophone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I thought he, I thought he stripped

[Big Cat]

the funniest picture that went viral.

[Memes]

I thought he only played the kazoo in his band.

[Big Cat]

And saying, listen, let's not on the kazoo. If, I mean integral part of any, you know, children's music thing that's going Rafi or something. Oh, Rafi needs the kazoo for ball knowers.

[Memes]

It is.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Memes]

But if you're, if you're trying to be, if you need to be loved by the mainstream audience. I feel like the kazoo. Yeah, it's like the kazoo and the accordion are the two things you don't want to play.

[Big Cat]

You can't play. You can't have like a little, you know, jamboree for three year olds at the park without a kazoo there?

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

So it is. It's a very important instrument to very serious music. Down by the Bay.

[Memes]

Have they ever had somebody do the national anthem on the kazoo?

[Big Cat]

No. I saw that guy whistle, though, in. In Baltimore.

[Memes]

That was pretty incredible.

[Big Cat]

So sick. All right, so we're calling it next series over.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Next Celtics. Okay. Next series over Cavs. Raptors over Celtics, Sixers over OKC Phoenix. I don't even want to say that it started because it was over before that even started. Like, that's not. To say that was over is actually a dis to the thunder because you're. You're. You're implying that at one point it had started. It. It. It was. It's not. It doesn't exist.

[Memes]

It's over after the first quarter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Of the first game.

[Big Cat]

The Blazers spurs is actually going on right now. So I'll look stupid at the start of the show if I say that there was only one team to win on the road because Blazer give him a little bit of a game. So now that we have those established, that we could just be like, hey, those are over. You want to talk about some of the. The series that are still ongoing? Yeah. Nuggets Wolves was. That was probably the best. Watch.

[Memes]

That's going to be a fun series.

[Big Cat]

That's going to be a fun series. Jamal Murray was not good from the field. 16 for 16 from free throw. And Jokic. Jokic had a quiet game, which was a triple double. Yeah, like, it was a quiet game for Jokic. He had a triple double. I do think that this series will be more of a series because even in this game alone, it was like, there was a couple moments, was like, oh, this game's over. And then. Then the Wolves would come back, and there was. There was like, a bunch of big, big runs within this game.

[Memes]

Yeah. We're going to have a game where. Where Rudy Gobert gets. He. He goes out of control and he

[Big Cat]

gets people pissed off, like, three points

[Memes]

scores three points, but they win. We're going to have, like, a crazy Rudy Gobert game. We're going to have a Julius Randall game where he scores like, 35, because he's always good for one of those. And the two teams have so much history. They're. They're. It's not going to be a sweep. Yeah, I feel very confident saying that. And yeah, you're right. Even though Jokic didn't play his best game, he was still, like, by far the best player on the court.

[Big Cat]

Rudy Gobert did have 17 points, and he was 8 for 9 shooting. But, I mean, he does.

[Todd McShay]

He does it all by the.

[Big Cat]

By the hoop. But good. Good for him.

[Memes]

Yeah, but no, that's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

It's like the crazy Julius Randall game.

[Memes]

That's what I said.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you. I. They said Rudy Gobert.

[Memes]

No, then I said a Julius Randall 35 points. You get the Julius Randall game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

We've had.

[Big Cat]

Top of the.

[Memes]

We've had those before.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

The Rudy Gobert games aren't necessarily. Necessarily the ones where he has, like, the. Statistically good night.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like he did. It's the ones where he just gets crazy and mucks everything up.

[Big Cat]

But it is. It is nuts. Just Jokic to be like, oh, he. Yeah, he wasn't that great. Like, he wasn't that dominant tonight. And he was. You know, he still just has a 25, 13 and 11. He's just so good.

[Memes]

He looks good. I. I had a thought when I was watching this, and maybe it was just. I don't know, I was watching on a different TV. You know, you have. You have your TVs that you usually use to watch sports, and then occasionally you. You catch yourself, like, playing a road

[Big Cat]

game and you get freaky. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You're playing a road game in your own house. But Jokic looks skinnier to me.

[Todd McShay]

He did.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think it's a haircut.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because I noticed the same thing.

[Memes]

You think he lost a little bit of weight?

[Big Cat]

Maybe a little, but I think he just. The shaved head look. Yeah, he, like, cleaned up a little.

[Memes]

He. He looks skinnier. Like, I don't know. Maybe he's been smoking cigarettes or something. But he. He looks like he's moving more skinnily. I don't even want to say moving faster. He just. He appears to be skinny.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. I noticed as well.

[Memes]

He.

[Big Cat]

By the way, the. In terms of playoff triple doubles, only LeBron and Magic have more at this point, so he is in very rarefied air there. Also, if you're a Wolves fan, you got to hope that maybe there's some more free throws taken by your team in game two. Not. Not a blame thing. But like I said, the. I think. I think Jamal Murray made more free throws than the entire Wolves team.

[Memes]

The wolves made 14.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was 16 for 16 from the free throw line. Yeah, he made more free throws in the entire Wolves team.

[Todd McShay]

What.

[Big Cat]

I forget.

[Todd McShay]

What are we.

[Big Cat]

Are we not supposed to call them the Wolves or is not supposed to call them the T. Wolves?

[Memes]

We can't call them the T wolves.

[Big Cat]

Is it?

[Todd McShay]

T Wolves?

[Memes]

Yeah, but I still do.

[Big Cat]

It's wolves or timberwolves.

[Memes]

There was one guy, one of those things.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there's one awl who just every time we said it would just try to correct us.

[Memes]

Yeah, the Minnesota T words.

[Big Cat]

So no. So no T Wolves.

[Memes]

No T Wolves. We can say the, the Timber Dubs.

[Big Cat]

Timber Dubs. I like that.

[Memes]

I kind of like Timber Dubs.

[Big Cat]

Timber Dubs Works.

[Memes]

Tinder Dubs.

[Big Cat]

Timber Dubs.

[Memes]

Or the, the Tim Wolves. The Tim Wolves.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Tim Wolves.

[Memes]

The Tim Wolfs.

[Big Cat]

These are all play.

[Memes]

Yeah, the, or the mtims. We can do that too.

[Big Cat]

The M Tims.

[Memes]

The M Tims.

[Big Cat]

I like the M Tims.

[Memes]

But yeah, I, I think even though like I, I wouldn't say that this was super, super close at the end. It was competitive. It was never, it never felt out of hand until the very, very end of the game. But I do think that the, the MTIMs are going to win. I'm gonna say this is going to go six games. Oh yeah, this two nuggies.

[Hank]

Hard six though. The Cavs is an easy hard six.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm not ready to call this series over and I'm excited to watch it. The other ones that we called over, I don't really have any. I, I, I actually might, I might say right now I, I might not watch another second of, of the Thunders sun series. I watched that entire game today and it was a complete waste of my time. That was never, that was never even close to a game.

[Memes]

D book doesn't do it for you?

[Big Cat]

It was just like the. Why there's just, just let me go to the next round for, for the Thunder.

[Memes]

What about this? I think I heard Doris Burke say this. They've got a secret weapon. Oh, the Suns. Now it's not that secret of a weapon because he is on the team and he's been on the team.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

But theoretically he could have played tonight. But they're saving him. Who the break glass in case of emergency Secret weapon for the Phoenix Suns is Grayson Allen.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah, he's been hurt. He is actually really good shooter.

[Memes]

Yeah, he's been hitting threes. But would that, would, would that make you tune into a game?

[Big Cat]

Probably not. Actually, you know what? I might tune into the pre game because we did have Dylan Brooks just being an ass and not letting Chad Holmgren touch the ball before the game. If you do that, you cannot then lose by a billion. Yeah, that was the, that was the end of their like that the Suns talked a tough game for two minutes of the pre game and that was it.

[Memes]

He did try to do the thing too where he like, did he face wash was that Chat or was that. Or was that J Dub who was that? That he, he just like stuck his fingers up his nose after about, after about like 10 minutes. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Just basically gave him a face wash. A little fish hook there. You knew that Dylan Brooks was going to do something stupid like that. That was the moment where after that point the thunder just went on a roll. And if you, if you're the Suns and you don't get at least like an 8 to nothing run out of the Dylan Brooks I'm going to do something really stupid moment, then you've lost all hope in that game and it's over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So we also had the night game, the Lakers Rockets, which KD getting ruled out right before the game. That was a bummer.

[Hank]

Weird.

[Big Cat]

Very weird. Bumped knees on Wednesday and then up.

[Hank]

Yeah, he was warming up.

[Big Cat]

They posted fine.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

ESPN posted a Katie doesn't miss clip of him warming up. Told you guys. Luke Canard. Did I not tell you? Luke Canard, 27 points. Luke Canard. He did and then it went viral. The. The fact that Luke Canard actually has more points in Ohio high school basketball than LeBron James.

[Memes]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Pretty. Pretty fun little fact.

[Memes]

That is a fun.

[Big Cat]

The Los Angeles Lakers have two of the highest scoring Ohio basketball players, high school basketball players of all time, I think is 2 and LeBron is 4. This is though, a crazy game because it felt like everything went right for the Lakers and everything went wrong for the Rockets, including Kevin Durant being ruled out right before the game. The Rockets took 27 more shots than the Lakers. 27. Which is a bad number for Houston Rockets fans in general. But it's insane. 27 more shots. They just didn't make them. And the Lakers made everything. The lakers, I shot 53% from three. And I will say it was pretty cool that LeBron was playing with his son in a playoff game and his, you know, mom, slash grandmother of Bronnie was watching it. Fine. Everyone's injured on the Lakers. LeBron's 41. The fact that he's winning playoff games still and the fact that his son was a baby when he was first in the NBA playoffs and now they're playing together. It's pretty damn cool.

[Memes]

It's very cool. It's very cool. And the fact that like Bronnie's on the Lakers is still ridiculous. Yeah, but they're so banged up that he actually should have been playing in that game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It's not like they did LeBron a favor by playing his son. That's how beat up the Lakers are. I thought that the role that LeBron's being used in right now, it's. It's very different from what he's done in the past. He is being like a point guard, like a full time point guard and like a facilitator. And I actually think that's. He's really, really good at that.

[Big Cat]

He's done it at times. I mean, he's had to do it at times where he's had to basically control the whole game.

[Memes]

Right. But he's also done that through like not just facilitating and passing, but like also being ball dominant and getting his own shot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And scoring. This is like. Yeah, he did a little bit of that, but he was like a true point guard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And I, I actually think that if he's going to.

[Big Cat]

I mean, when you have Luke Canard out there, you just got to feed

[Memes]

if he's going to win like a series or maybe two. That's.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're already getting that.

[Memes]

That's. I think they're going to beat the. Oh, I think they're going to beat

[Big Cat]

the Rockets if Kevin Durant comes back. I do not think so. Again, I having 27 more points than your opponent and only they should have blown him out and they shot the. Like I said, the Lakers. Maybe this is just what's going to happen. But it felt like everything went right for the Lakers. Everything went bad for the Rockets. I'm not ready to rule this series over.

[Memes]

I'm not ruling it over. I'm saying that. That I like watching LeBron in this role.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It's more interesting than.

[Big Cat]

Well, he won't be trying to. Luca comes back.

[Memes]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I think. I think it could work now.

[Big Cat]

Luca needs the ball. Come on.

[Memes]

I think it needs the ball. I think you got to get Lucas ball.

[Big Cat]

He'll get to have the ball.

[Memes]

He'll get the ball. When you got Bronnie. Like LeBron. Sorry, sorry. I. I keep calling. That's up. When you refer to a man as what used to be his nickname at times, and then it's accidentally referring to his son LeBron, when he's at his most fun to watch, in my opinion, is when he's passing the ball. And that's what, that's what he did very, very well over the weekend. So I don't know if Luca comes back and I. I don't know. Do we know when he's going to come back?

[Big Cat]

They said like game six or seven, maybe.

[Memes]

Is the hopeful okay again?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Do you need them? You have Luke Canard.

[Memes]

You don't. You don't need him, but he's a nice to have.

[Big Cat]

The Lakers, I mean, between Luke Canard and Austin Reeves and Luca, they're just getting all the swaggy white dudes. Lucas, one of the only Duke guys I don't like, actively hate. And it's all because he's a lefty and he can dribble behind his back.

[Memes]

It's.

[Big Cat]

Sometimes it's that easy. It's just a cool looking thing when he does that for me.

[Memes]

MC Roberts was that guy when he got tatted up, also a lefty.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, something about somehow Luke Canard. Oh, yeah. Lucas sitting there. The. Kevin Durant yelled at a fan, I think during the game, saying, get that grown man dick out of your mouth. That's kind of. Does that even. Does that even register anymore? If you're a fan and you get yelled at by Kevin Durant, that's not even something you can go tell people, right? No, like, that's not. That's just not something that. That like. Oh, okay, cool. So you went to a game that Kevin Durant played in. He's yells at a fan every single game.

[Memes]

Kevin. Kevin Durant, he's just like. He's a full time Internet troll now. Yeah. Even when he's not online, he's still like that. That has infected every fiber of his being.

[Big Cat]

What are you guys laughing at in the booth?

[Max]

I had a bad Twitter search trying to find the video. I just switched grown man dick.

[Big Cat]

You see? You searched Durant growman dick.

[Max]

No, not even Duran.

[Big Cat]

You just searched romantic on Twitter, Max.

[Max]

Yeah, I mean, I X'd out before we got. We got to the loading.

[Big Cat]

Well now, let's see. Yeah, we gotta go back.

[Memes]

You gotta get back.

[Big Cat]

You gotta. You gotta do it.

[Hank]

No.

[Memes]

What is that? What is that result?

[Todd McShay]

Max?

[Big Cat]

It's sort of. It's sort of breaking like constantly now. It's nothing.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah. It's easy.

[Big Cat]

I thought.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Max, what are you going through? Let's do a little intermission here on Basketball Talk. What are you going through mentally and physically right now?

[Max]

God, this is the worst hangover of my life.

[Big Cat]

So what. Can you give us a breakdown of the. Of the bachelor party? What. What happened this weekend? He's got nothing in his Brain right now. Holy Thursday. It is blank.

[Max]

Met up with some friends, got dinner, got drinks after, stayed up late Friday morning, woke up, played golf, drank on the course. Then we went to. Then we went out for a little. Then we went to Barstool. Barstool bar in Philly. Shout out. Shout out them. And then woke up Saturday morning. Tailgated all day for the Phillies game yesterday. Stayed. Went to the Phillies game for like four innings. And they were like, it, let's go watch the Flyers. We watched the Flyers win and then went. Went to a strip club last night. And here I am today.

[Memes]

And there you sit.

[Big Cat]

And here I said, what time did you start tailgating for the baseball game?

[Max]

I think our, like, 1:30. The game started at 7.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Max]

And then.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's a lot of tailgating for a baseball game.

[Memes]

I've been telling Max that he needs to have four beers. Four. Four small beers tomorrow.

[Max]

No.

[Memes]

And you. You got to taper this thing off, dude.

[Hank]

The Fightings are in town.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're going to go to the game together.

[Memes]

He's doing the I'm never drinking again thing. That's the opposite of what you have to do in a situation. You have to taper yourself back into real life. You have to have four medical beers on Monday and then ease your way back.

[Big Cat]

Basically, your doctor prescribing it to you.

[Memes]

Right. You have to do this, Max. Max, as your attorney, I strongly advise.

[Big Cat]

Come on, Max.

[Max]

Yeah, it's not great.

[Big Cat]

It's not a good spot.

[Memes]

Yeah, that looks like a man that has some anxiety about. Did you lose something this weekend, Max?

[Max]

Money.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, well, how you're feeling right now, because we obviously didn't go to this bachelor party of yours. This one. You were going to the second one because, like I said, you're an egomaniac. You're having bachelor party month.

[Max]

I mean, mine.

[Big Cat]

The second one will be. Will be two days before our live show in LA, which buy tickets. The YouTube Theater, May 5th in LA. We're doing a live show and we're doing it two days after Max's bachelor party. We are going to be telling stories that we're not going to be told on the podcast.

[Max]

There's also a wrinkle that has been added is that my parents will be in attendance.

[Big Cat]

Oh, nice.

[Max]

We will be having to get creative of.

[Memes]

We should get actual headphones.

[Big Cat]

Say everything that you did. We'll just say, Zach did it.

[Max]

I. No, we just have to escort them out of the building. When we get to that I think when we get to that segment, we'll get some earmuffs.

[Memes]

We'll have. We'll have Jerry o' Connell put the earmuffs on him. That's the only place that we're gonna be saying all the stuff that Jerry says when he says not for air.

[Max]

I don't, I don't.

[Memes]

He's gonna be at that show.

[Big Cat]

I've never seen anyone do as much drugs in a weekend as Zach did that weekend. See, that's easy.

[Max]

No drugs.

[Memes]

No drugs.

[Big Cat]

Your mom's gonna text you now.

[Todd McShay]

Not true.

[Zach]

Out of.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, do buy tickets. I, I, we have. Rosilla is going to be a special guest. Blake Griffin, I talked to is going to be a special guest. Jerry o' Connell's be a special guest. And I think Jerry just invited and made his wife a special guest, which I think we're just gonna have to do. I think we'd have to have Rebecca Romain.

[Memes]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

We would love to have her on. Oh, no supermodel ever. Look it up.

[Memes]

She's the best.

[Big Cat]

She doesn't know, though. Like, the problem with having her on is that I don't trust that Jerry is going to fully explain what she's going to do. You know what I mean? There's a chance she. He tricks her into being like, hey, we're going to go to this show. You know, the Strokes are playing in L. A. At the YouTube theater. I got us tickets. And then she's going to show up and just be like, actually, we're doing the fantasy stuff with my friends.

[Memes]

There's also a very high chance that Rebecca Roman actively hates us.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, definitely.

[Memes]

I would say we pulled Jerry away from her so much.

[Big Cat]

I would say 100. She does.

[Memes]

Maybe she loves us for that. I'm not sure. But, like, Jerry definitely talks to her about us, and she definitely says to him, like, I don't care. Stop talking about these guys.

[Big Cat]

So we're gonna have. We're gonna have Rebecca Romaine on the show. So this is gonna be an awesome, awesome. We don't do live shows often, if ever. I think this is our second one in eight years.

[Memes]

Yeah, we did one for the BVT Vanniversary. Yeah, One year. Vanniversary.

[Big Cat]

So please buy tickets, come out. It's gonna be a very fun night. And, yeah, it's gonna be fun night. 10 years apart of my take with some special guests.

[Hank]

And, Max, we're probably gonna have to follow PFT's advice.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

And maybe just get, like, pretty drunk if we're, you know.

[Memes]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You didn't hear my advice. My advice was not to get pretty drunk. My advice was like four easy beers for Max on a Monday. You just want to get drunk. Hank will get drunk.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Tuesday, though.

[Hank]

I know, but it's like you got four easy beers on a Monday on

[Big Cat]

a two beer prescription and then maybe turn that into eight. Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

It's a two beer night.

[Hank]

Eight to 16 on Tuesday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Hank will be drunk.

[Max]

I might not even be drinking in Vegas.

[Memes]

No, you're probably never drinking again, Max.

[Big Cat]

You're a party. It's that bad right now?

[Max]

It's not great. It's not.

[Memes]

Max.

[Max]

Hank comes in every now and then and I always think. Think of him as like a. And he's old and whatever. I

[Big Cat]

didn't know that.

[Memes]

It's true.

[Big Cat]

These are all comments. You did not know.

[Max]

I feel like. I feel like I get it now. I feel like I get it now.

[Big Cat]

Well said. That was a nice, nice thing you said about Hank.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, great.

[Max]

No, it's respect. Respect.

[Hank]

Much respect.

[Big Cat]

There's a lot of so much respect.

[Hank]

I'm old.

[Big Cat]

I'm getting old.

[Memes]

I can't believe that you do that, Hank. I can't believe you. You drag yourself here when you're feeling that bad.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When you're just old bag of.

[Memes]

You're not as much as Max thought that you until yesterday.

[Big Cat]

How long is the tub gonna be tomorrow? We have interviews tomorrow.

[Max]

I know we have. I. I don't think. I don't think I'm gonna have to do pub. Pub. I would have to do tub after the inter.

[Memes]

What about afternoon?

[Max]

I'm gonna do afternoon tub. Maybe I'll do tub tonight.

[Big Cat]

I actually. No, you should not. You probably will drown.

[Hank]

You should invite one of our guests to tub with you.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. What he's talking about Daniel. Jeremiah.

[Max]

No tubs in it.

[Big Cat]

That's a private.

[Todd McShay]

That's an end.

[Max]

That's an. That's a solo.

[Big Cat]

He doesn't even invite his fiance to the tub. No, I think you gotta go.

[Memes]

Beers in the tub.

[Big Cat]

I really. Stop talking.

[Max]

Stop trying to get me to drink more.

[Big Cat]

Don't. Don't. Tub. Tonight you will die. You'll fall asleep and then you'll just slowly go under and you'll never wake up again. Don't do it.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. That's Max. That's how he's feeling. Let's take a quick break and we'll talk some more playoffs, NHL included. We'll get some more basketball talk DraftKings DraftKings sportsbook is our wonderful sponsor. The NBA playoffs are here in the DraftKings sportsbook, an official sports betting part of the NBA. Boosts every game day, the whole postseason. When the lights get brightest, the best players in the world show you exactly who they are. Playoff stars turn it up round by round. And DraftKings turns it up, too, with a profit boost available every single game day, from the first round all the way to the finals. Best player Props bet live. Bet Player Props bet live. From the opening tip to the final possession, every bucket, every dime, every clutch takeover matters. Only DraftKings sportsbook keeps boosting you all the way through. New Sportsbook customers bet just $5. If your bet wins, you'll get 300 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE so you're ready for the moment. That's code take. Turn five bucks into 300 in bonus bets. If your bet wins in partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours.

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[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Should we talk. Should we talk at all about. I mean, that was just an absolute drubbing by the Celtics. That was another. The Celtics and the. The Thunder games were.

[Hank]

Were just not weapon mode.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Any thoughts from the game?

[Hank]

Jason Tatum. The announcers were talking about it a lot, how crazy it is, how fast he's come back. I never would have thought, you know, a year ago, after he went down against the Knicks, like, the fact that he is back and playing as good as he's playing is just special. It's special.

[Todd McShay]

Special.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He would have easily had a triple double if he played the whole game. Yeah. He didn't have to play the full entire fourth quarter. It's dominant. Yeah.

[Memes]

Just dominant stuff.

[Hank]

And memes. I just can't wait for the next memes.

[Big Cat]

I just.

[Hank]

I hate him.

[Todd McShay]

Things.

[Hank]

Yeah, the things. He's just like, oh, they're so much worse than they are last year. And it's like.

[Big Cat]

And they are.

[Hank]

I cannot wait.

[Memes]

Who is they Are.

[Big Cat]

And the. And. And memes had to take. Can I. Am I allowed to.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Am I allowed to say this even though it was at the Cubs game? So it was outside of. He said Mitchell Robinson's the best player in the NBA.

[Memes]

He's so good. I like it. Memes. I said I agree with me.

[Big Cat]

He just can't shoot free throws, but he can do everything. He said he's the best player in the NBA.

[Memes]

I agree. Memes is right. I. I love Mitchell Robinson.

[Big Cat]

He could defend his trucks.

[Memes]

He's got trucks. He's got all the dogs. He's the only person that I follow on Tick tock. Statistically one guy off.

[Big Cat]

Off the top of my head. I think plus minus like when he's in. The Knicks are unstoppable. So that will just be the button. And that's why Joe Missoula smart coach Auto foul Mitch when he's in the game because the free throws.

[Memes]

What's your answer to Mitchell Robinson? Hank?

[Big Cat]

Free throws.

[Memes]

Just. Just hack a. Yeah.

[Hank]

So it works.

[Todd McShay]

So are you.

[Big Cat]

So you're not scared of the Knicks?

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

And Connor's not scared of you.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's exciting.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's. It's actually great. Yeah. The Knicks are designed to beat the Celtics.

[Memes]

Built from the ground.

[Big Cat]

Wow. What if the Sixers end up getting there?

[Max]

That we've already.

[Memes]

That's crushed the Knicks. We've declared that series over the next one.

[Big Cat]

You know who's the. Andre. You know the. The Mitch Robinson stopper is Andre Drummond.

[Memes]

Yeah. He does it all. Get your man. That can do both.

[Big Cat]

So that was Hank. How did you. I mean you. This game wasn't even. It was over. Like the minute it started. You look down, it was just like, oh, okay. It's 15 point game.

[Hank]

Yeah. I think. I think they. They. It's like 8 to 9 to 8 or something. And then the game was over.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I will say, you know, we often talk about guy math. How bad. You know when. When we see numbers and they don't make sense. 64 to 46 is. Is way more than 18 points. Way more.

[Memes]

Yeah. When it jumps.

[Big Cat]

When it was 64, 46 and a half. And they're like the Knicks are. Or the. The Sixers are down 18 and a half. I was like, no, they aren't. They're down a billion.

[Memes]

What was the halftime score with the Magic and the Hornets? That was crazy.

[Big Cat]

That was crazy.

[Memes]

The Hornets just got their shit kicked in.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Lamelo ball is. I don't know. I can't Tell. I. I can't tell. I think he's the funniest player, but I just don't know.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's the funniest player. That was 68 to 37.

[Todd McShay]

Jesus.

[Big Cat]

See that?

[Memes]

To me, that. That feels like it's 40 points.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but 68 to 37. I can conceptualize it a little bit better because it's like, you just. They're close enough where it's like, all right, that's a really big number. Something about 64 to 46. When I saw it today, I was like, if you just. If you flash that in front of me said, how much are they up? I would have said 35 points because

[Memes]

it felt like a lot more, especially in that moment. Hank, the comments at the end of the game by the Boston fans chanting, we want Boston. What does that mean?

[Hank]

I think that was just letting the. The city of Philadelphia know how dumb they are and how much we own them.

[Memes]

So you were just doing, like, the repeat game?

[Hank]

Well, yeah, it's like, so the Sixers, you know, like, remember when you guys were chanting this? How dumb do you.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was pretty funny. It's just Max is so flyered up that he doesn't care at this point.

[Max]

I just. It was over.

[Hank]

Flyers, Bruins playoff series. Mike, that might actually be what the Awls need.

[Memes]

Oh, you got to worry about the Sabers, buddy.

[Hank]

Yeah, no, I know, but that would

[Big Cat]

be not choking two third period.

[Hank]

I was. I was thinking of that take when we were up to nothing, but still, ah, still on the table.

[Memes]

Max, how much. How much better was your day that Tobias Harris also lost?

[Max]

Oh, it was so perfect watching the end of that game and Tobias Harris just, like, missing every shot that the team needed.

[Memes]

So I was. I was thinking about you. I was like, I bet, Max. Actually, this makes the Sixers loss sting a little bit less because. Because the way that the Pistons ended

[Big Cat]

up losing so that. That was the biggest. I don't. I. If you're a Pistons fan, are you hitting the panic button? Probably not, but the Magic are healthy for the first time in a very long time. And if Tobias Harris is your. Is supposed to be your second, you know, leading scorer, that's a problem. Also, Duncan Robinson was their third leading score with only nine points. We like Duncan Robinson, but that seems like a problem.

[Zach]

It's.

[Big Cat]

It was just remarkable. The Magic had all their starters at 15 plus points, right? And the Pistons had Cade Cunningham with 39 points. Tobias Harris was 17. And then the next was Duncan Robinson at nine. And it's like, are the Pistons one of those defensive physical teams, Max effort teams that can get the most in the regular season and then oh shit, you don't have enough guys who can score. It'd be elite scorers in the playoffs. I don't. I'm not going to rule that after one game. The question has been posed in my head.

[Memes]

Well, they got, they have their own break glass in case of emergency guy. They could bring in B ball Paul.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true.

[Memes]

And then that's a great equalizer.

[Big Cat]

But it did that. That was like Franz Wagner taking over in the, in the fourth quarter. He. I think he was 5 for. 5 for 11 points. That's what a second score does. Like that when it became Franz Verse Tobias Harris like, oh, okay, yeah, the Magic are going to win this.

[Memes]

I don't know. Max, what do you think? Do you think that a team that has Tobias Harris as their second leading scorer can win a bunch of playoff series?

[Big Cat]

Nope.

[Memes]

I just kept thinking about that. I was like, at least Matt, at least Max has this that he gets to watch today.

[Big Cat]

You should if you're, if you're a Pistons fan. I think so. The Pistons, I don't think. When's the last time the Pistons won a home playoff game?

[Memes]

It was 2008.

[Big Cat]

2008.

[Memes]

I think it was 2008.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[Hank]

2004.

[Todd McShay]

04.

[Memes]

No, like really? They definitely won home playoff games after that with like Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace.

[Big Cat]

Pistons playoff history.

[Hank]

2008.

[Max]

I got it right.

[Big Cat]

2008. 2008. Last home. Last year they won their. They won two games in New York.

[Memes]

That is pretty crazy. Yeah, That's a long ass time.

[Big Cat]

If you are a Pistons fan though, that, that sucks. That's a long ass time. You just have to hope that maybe this is. The Magic had a streak in. It was from 2011 to 2020. They had three playoff appearances where they won the first game. They were like Magic fans call it like first game Magic. They won the first game, then lost four to one in the series. Three straight series. They did that. So you just got to hope that that's first game magic again.

[Memes]

I think Detroit's going to be okay. I still think. And this, I mean not coming out of the east. We're digging ourselves pretty, pretty deep into the like Magic haters camp. Which I don't want to be because

[Big Cat]

no, I'm going the opposite.

[Memes]

I don't want to hate the Magic. I don't. I, I thought that they were very fun to Watch last year and this year they've been a bummer. Obviously the injuries have been a big part of that, but I still think that the Pistons are, I think that they're going to win in, I'm going to say Pistons in six.

[Big Cat]

I, I, I'm, I'm flipping back into a Magic lover because our guy. Well, I saw a take. Do you guys want to re hear a take from a, an NBA expert that made me like double thinking and be like, hey, you know what? If everyone, if an NBA expert's saying this, maybe I'll just zag on it, go somewhere else. He said after the Magic beat the Hornets on Friday night. This stinks. The Magic earned it. But that is a terrible series. Hornets vs. Pistons in a playoff series would have been a perfect stylistic contrast. And they had a huge fight earlier in the year. Now this series is horrible. Talking about the Pistons versus the Magic

[Memes]

and this is a, an NBA expert. Expert.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Does he work here at this.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Stephen Chase.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So now that I'm just gonna be like, you know what? I'm, I'm all in on the Magic, I might buy some magic here.

[Memes]

Is that how you determine like 90 of your basketball takes is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If Stephen Chase says something, you know it's wrong.

[Big Cat]

Well, if he says this is so horrible and no one wants to watch this, I'm like, you know what? I'm now going to do that.

[Memes]

Listen, I, I like the Magic when they're playing fun brand of basketball, not when they're doing the like I'm gonna. Every guy gets, everybody gets an ISO opportunity and then occasionally kick it out to a guy that then takes his own ISO opportunity.

[Big Cat]

I do think the Pistons will win the series, but I, there's a little bit hovering over panic button when you're the one seed and you lose game one.

[Memes]

I think they'll be okay a little bit. You know what? It's early for a guarantee. I guarantee the Pistons win game two. Okay, That's a guarantee.

[Big Cat]

Why don't you guarantee the whole series?

[Memes]

That's a guarantee the Pistons win.

[Big Cat]

Why don't you guarantee the whole series?

[Memes]

Because I don't have that much tied in with the Pistons.

[Big Cat]

Just do it. Just guarantee the whole series. It costs nothing to guarantee the whole series.

[Memes]

You know what? I guarantee the Pistons win the whole series and a double guarantee. Double guarantee they win game two.

[Big Cat]

There you go.

[Memes]

That's double guarantee.

[Big Cat]

That's nice.

[Memes]

Never been done.

[Todd McShay]

That's a rollover guarantee.

[Memes]

I don't know a single other podcast that's Ever double guaranteed a game too?

[Big Cat]

I'll match your guarantee on game two.

[Memes]

Okay. Triple guarantee.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Anyone else want to match?

[Memes]

Cowards. You won't.

[Big Cat]

No, really?

[Memes]

Are you going to guarantee game two for the Celtics? Hank?

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Well, congratulations.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

Guarantee the Thunder too. Oh, okay. You saw something out of the Suns. You saw an adjustment. What was the Jamal Hill tweet?

[Memes]

What?

[Big Cat]

The. The, like, they made like something to note late in the game. They found an answer.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They found an answer to.

[Big Cat]

What was it? Oh, so funny.

[Memes]

It's an answer to Jokic.

[Big Cat]

It might have been like real ball. No, there's no. Oh, I gotta find.

[Memes]

I don't know. The adjustment I saw late in. In the. In the game for the Suns. I think we're gonna get the Jalen Green game

[Big Cat]

for. For the Suns.

[Memes]

Yeah, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. Wait, but he's gonna think that it is.

[Big Cat]

I gotta find this such a funny because it was just like. And we're all have bad takes. We just. We just guaranteed game two, which the Magic could absolutely win.

[Memes]

No, they're not, because it's guaranteed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Can you find it for me, man? No, no chance. I don't know why I just asked Max that.

[Max]

I started to type something and I was like, well, you. I don't even know you're talking about.

[Memes]

Yeah, old man penis.

[Big Cat]

Old man penis. Find that.

[Memes]

Yeah, My best guy on it.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Memes]

He's at Max.

[Big Cat]

Oh, here we go. Here we go. All right. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. A win is a win, but if I'm Denver, I treat this like a loss. Lakers really figured something out. Putting Hachimura on Yokesh.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's what it was.

[Big Cat]

That's one of those somewhat small adjustments that can win.

[Memes]

Yep. Yep. That. That might have also been the same series. Darren Revell, like, said it was the closest four game sweep.

[Big Cat]

It was like the most exciting sweep of all time. I think Greeny said it too. It was basically everyone was just bending over backwards to be like, what a series. There were a couple of good games.

[Memes]

There were. There's some.

[Big Cat]

But it was a sweet.

[Memes]

We had the. The Austin Reeves moment.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that's it for. Well, I guess the, the.

[Memes]

The.

[Big Cat]

Since we started the podcast, the spurs have gone on to separate themselves from the Blazers. So I think I can confidently say, besides, thank you to the Orlando Magic. Sincerely thank you, Orlando Magic, for giving us at least one road team to win this weekend and to have what even that game wasn't very competitive because it was the other way. But it's just crazy. It was. It was just all blowouts. It felt like in the NBA.

[Hank]

Is the spurs series over?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Good call. Yeah. So how many did I call officially over? I called Spurs, Thunder, Celtics. Memes gave me necks. Cavs. Is there any other.

[Memes]

That's right.

[Big Cat]

So five out of the eight series are over.

[Hank]

That's fair.

[Big Cat]

It feels fair.

[Memes]

Next.

[Hank]

Probably.

[Big Cat]

I know the overreacting to game one. We all do it. We all fall for it. But I feel like 5 out of

[Memes]

8 we said nuggets not done.

[Big Cat]

Not Nuggets are not done. Lakers, Rock, Lakers, Rockets, not done. And then Pistons, Magic. Just because the fact that the Magic won game one. You can't. You can't say that I'm actually going

[Hank]

to call that series over for the Magic. Yeah, the.

[Memes]

Matt, you're projecting the match for the Magic. How many games?

[Big Cat]

Hell yes. 5.

[Memes]

Is that a guarantee?

[Big Cat]

So they could still. The Pistons could still win game two?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, good.

[Memes]

Then we look really smart. The match suck. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Not today.

[Memes]

All right, Max. Okay, let's unpack.

[Hank]

Well, you haven't seen a game they

[Max]

played on the Magic last week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, your team is good. We suck.

[Max]

The matching had one good game.

[Memes]

Two good games.

[Big Cat]

They've had a weekend full of good games.

[Memes]

They're hot.

[Max]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

You I don't think remember and then

[Memes]

they played on that game on where they needed. Yeah. They lost the Celtics backups.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That was great coaching. Great team. They dug deep. That's just how good the song.

[Memes]

Do the Magic hate their coach?

[Big Cat]

I think so. I think there's a lot of teams that don't like their coach.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Lamello.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm. I'm.

[Max]

I'm out on Nick nurse.

[Memes]

Oh, okay. Let's talk about the elephant in the room.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Max]

I'm out.

[Todd McShay]

You.

[Max]

We were talking about if you're in on your coach, you're out on your coach. Out on out on my.

[Big Cat]

I'll say it. I'm out on Billy Donovan with just how much the Ryan's nurse love him. It's too much. Too much love. Seriously. It's just too much making me uncomfortable. You know when like someone's making out in public and you're like, oh, okay, that's a little too much.

[Memes]

Like if Ryan loves you that much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. When they did an entire press conference like, we got to do everything we can to keep Billy Donovan the coach. Like, oh, that was a Little like he's not. He's good. But like, that was a little too much. That was maybe grossing me out a little.

[Hank]

I'm in on Joe Missoula till I'm six feet under. Okay.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Hopefully sooner than later.

[Memes]

Did you see that? Missoula got tased.

[Hank]

Yeah, we knew that.

[Big Cat]

Connor, you like that? That's a good one, though.

[Memes]

I'm in on. On Coach Keef. Chief Keef. We got memes.

[Big Cat]

Zach, speak up. We'll see how far we go with Mike Brown.

[Memes]

Zach, that doesn't sound like he's all in.

[Zach]

I feel good about things right now. And since we need to make a run here, we got. Right now you gotta be all in.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It's runtime. That doesn't sound. Saying right now you gotta be all in is not.

[Zach]

Well, everything's fluid. Especially when it comes to that Is true.

[Big Cat]

We stay fluid. You have to stay fluid.

[Memes]

Have to.

[Big Cat]

If you don't stay fluid, that's when you get caught bad.

[Memes]

Yeah. I'm gonna say the spurs series is over. I feel like this. It's just too much Wimby.

[Big Cat]

Also, their court is awesome.

[Memes]

Is incredible. The. The environment in San Antonio looks amazing. All the T shirts. I think it looks awesome. But I think it's probably the least intimidating arena that I've seen in a while. It looks like a party.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. No, I like a pinata.

[Memes]

Yeah, I want to. I want to be there. I want to have fun. Yeah, it looks like a bounce castle.

[Big Cat]

They. Oh, by the way, we shouldn't even talked about this game. The series was over when we found out what the spurs were doing with their T shirts. And the Blazers can't afford T shirts. Blazers said, we're not doing T shirts. But don't, don't worry. Just wait. We have a big surprise coming for games three and four. That's gonna suck.

[Memes]

What's the big surprise?

[Big Cat]

I don't know, but that's gonna suck. They also, I saw the.

[Memes]

It sounds like Scott's tots where it's like they're just pushing it off as far as they can. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

[Big Cat]

The Blazers also, their new owner didn't fly out all the guys on the two way contract, which is like those guys can't play, but it's customary to. To have them for the road games in the playoffs. Just as like camaraderie and they, you know, didn't fly them out cheap. Owner.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just bought the team. Although I guess that's what happens when you buy a team you buy a team and you're like, oh, shit, there's

[Memes]

a lot of money.

[Big Cat]

I just spent a lot of money.

[Memes]

There's a lot of stuff that goes into running a team that costs a lot of money that I think I would, I would not think of. Like, I think if I bought an NBA team, I would not have to spend any more money. Again, it's like, I already paid for the team.

[Big Cat]

But you can't. Like, there's, there's got to be no bigger bummer in sports than having a new owner buy a team and then immediately be cheap. Like, immediately.

[Memes]

They're immediately broke.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

This is the worst financial decision I've ever made in my life.

[Big Cat]

I will say one nice thing about the Blazers owner. He. I saw before, I think it was the Sun's playing game, he was on the court like three hours before just getting shots up. And that's exactly what I'd do if I was an owner of an NBA franchise.

[Memes]

Yeah. So that's 100%. He was like, I'm gonna spend what. How much money did he pay for the team?

[Big Cat]

I would. If I were an owner of, I don't know, billions. Multiple billions. If I was an owner of an NBA franchise, I would get a bunch of shots up and then shower in like the team locker room while the dudes are like showing up.

[Memes]

Well, they're getting ready. Yeah, I would. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Memes]

My coming to hang out, be like, go to the game, warm up on the court, and then just like make my way to the various suites. Eating the different buffets.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then that's, that's my job because I own the team. Yeah, but that is a, that's a nightmare scenario. You spend like, let's just say $2 billion on a sports team and then the next month you get a big ass bill and it's like, oh, I have to pay all these guys every month?

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, not only that, but you get, you buy a. And then they come in, they say, hey, guess what? We made the playoffs. Oh, nice. That's awesome. That, sir, unfortunately, that means you have to buy 18,000 T shirts every night.

[Memes]

Going to do it every night.

[Big Cat]

Not going to do it.

[Memes]

Don't people have T shirts at home?

[Big Cat]

What do you think? What do you think he's getting them?

[Memes]

He doesn't know, I'll tell you that much. He has no idea what he's.

[Big Cat]

It's probably towels. He's probably getting the towels.

[Memes]

He is like, he's having an emergency meeting right now. And it'll be, it'll be like show and tell night where everybody. You're allowed, all the fans get to bring one item that they love very much to show off in the stadium.

[Big Cat]

That should put. Towels don't work in an NBA game. Yeah, that's a, that's a baseball, NFL thing, even a hockey thing. You can't do the towels.

[Memes]

I think, I think they might do a towel.

[Max]

I love the rally towel, you know.

[Big Cat]

No, it's great. But you agree like the NBA is like you gotta go to the T

[Max]

shirt, but maybe that could be your thing. No, everyone does.

[Big Cat]

T shirt being cheap. It's like, yeah, this is actually our thing. We're branding this. It'd be funny if it was like little party hats. Oh wait, here come the blazers. Only down 11. Maybe this is a series. Okay. Hockey. Want to talk hockey real quick, Hank? Birds are up to nothing in the third. Buffalo. What a scene by the way. Sabers fans. That's exactly how I wanted Buffalo to act in terms of the pre game. There was that. They had like a Bruins mannequin beating up in the middle of the street. Looked like everyone had been drunk for hours. You had local, local bakeries making huge pretzel dicks that look like they were supposed to be Sabers, but they just look like penises. Just the, the, the civic pride in Buffalo was at an all time high.

[Hank]

We had the bunch of bandwagon.

[Memes]

We had the Beer Sabers.

[Hank]

Those are cool.

[Memes]

Which apparently sold out a day before the game.

[Big Cat]

They've been selling those all year. Because I've seen people with the Beer Sabers.

[Memes]

Yeah, but, but they sold out. I don'.

[Max]

Sold out.

[Memes]

Maybe I misread the news story, but it looked like they sold out of the Beer Sabers the day before the game.

[Big Cat]

I actually, I actually love the dichotomy of that of just like being like there's a bunch of really good planned alcoholics. Yeah, like, yeah, we are alcoholics, but we know how to plan our alcohol like consumption severe.

[Memes]

Like we showed up to the stadium the day before the game to buy the sword.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You don't think of, you don't think of someone who's, who's like drunk all the time is making good plans. But they're like, hey, listen honey, I gotta make sure you set an alarm for one o' clock tomorrow. I gotta call in and reserve my, my, my Beer Saber saver.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's a limited time. It's gonna be worth a lot one day. But I mean, what a finish today. Was. Yeah, Celtics or. Sorry, the. The Bruins couldn't just finish it out.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[Hank]

I mean, this is. This is what happens when. When your city just is always in the playoffs. One second year riding high, you just beat the Sixers by 60. You're already looking onto the Knicks, and then the next second year, you're up to nothing. Looking good against.

[Big Cat]

You weren't looking on to any.

[Hank]

The Sabers. I was watching the game.

[Memes]

The city of Buffalo is a joke of a town. Yeah, it's a bunch. It's a bunch of losers.

[Hank]

It's a bunch of bandwagon fans, but that's fine.

[Big Cat]

Call them losers.

[Memes]

Bandwagon fans are like, are you saying that people that live in Buffalo like,

[Hank]

they made the playoffs and they're like, oh, let's. All right, let's start watching the hockey games. Like, they don't. They don't actually care.

[Memes]

Not like you.

[Max]

Those guys.

[Hank]

Not like. But I'm. I'm locked in on the game. And then Big Head barges over and is like, can we put the. The spurs game on? I said, the. The Bruins are on. It's the third period. You said, it's over. You're up to nothing. This game's over. We can. We can put it on the dual screen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I wanted to watch both games,

[Hank]

and things went extremely south extremely quickly shortly after. And I could barely see.

[Big Cat]

Question. So you.

[Hank]

Dual screen is tough to.

[Big Cat]

Well, nice. You could barely see because you were taking a piss for two of the goals.

[Hank]

I took a piss right after they scored one of the goals.

[Big Cat]

But I think you missed another goal, too, because I said to you, they just scored again.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Okay, but you. You tried to accuse me of a jinx, but then earlier in this show, you admitted when you were up to nothing, you were thinking about how awesome be to have a Bruins flyer series.

[Hank]

It would be awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right. But that's. You were thinking ahead.

[Max]

I didn't like that. Wouldn't be until the semis.

[Hank]

Yeah, exactly.

[Big Cat]

Two.

[Max]

Two rounds.

[Memes]

Yeah. Two rounds ahead.

[Hank]

Well, I'm just like, you know, if I was thinking about the fans, as always, I. I think fan first. Like, when I think about stuff. Oh, goal nights. I'm always thinking fans.

[Big Cat]

For a hockey guy.

[Hank]

I'm always thinking about the Awls. And obviously, like, Max and Philly couldn't show up for the Celtic Sixer series to make that exciting. I was like, well, maybe we could do Flyers Bees.

[Memes]

Right.

[Hank]

That would be fun.

[Memes]

But kind of, what a joke of a team to give up three goals. Like one after the other.

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, they were just. They were just.

[Big Cat]

It was actually four, because there's an empty net.

[Memes]

And then. Yeah, then the empty netter. I forgot about that.

[Hank]

They were just giving muffins away behind the net. Bad. A lot of defensive turnovers, easy goals. Swaming looked like a scarecrow on the second one. It was. It was.

[Memes]

It was.

[Hank]

It was tough. That's a. That's a momentum. They gotta. They gotta even it up.

[Memes]

Hot seat Swayman, game two.

[Hank]

They're gonna be evening up. Game two. No, not.

[Memes]

Not hot seat behind injury.

[Big Cat]

Are you hitting the panic button?

[Hank]

No, but you gotta win game, too. You gotta even it up. That's definitely like.

[Big Cat]

We'll see.

[Hank]

We'll see how a team responds to that. Hopefully, you know, they can. They can come out and just light it up, but just not how you want to start a series and. Yeah, so it's a. Playoffs are a roller coaster for Boston.

[Big Cat]

So. Yeah, there was eight minutes left. They're up to nothing. And then it was.

[Hank]

And then you changed TVs.

[Big Cat]

No, I changed TVs, like, at the beginning of the third period. So you had more than enough time. It was probably actually the minute you started thinking about Flyers, Bruins, if Buffalo

[Memes]

wins the Stanley Cup. That's pretty much a cup for Canada, right? No, it would be so close that they could smell it. They could. They could.

[Big Cat]

If.

[Memes]

If you stood on the border and you had, like, a powerful enough pair of binoculars, you could see the Stanley Cup.

[Big Cat]

No, but you can't touch it. And that's all that matters. I mean, that is.

[Memes]

They did have. I. I love the Buffalo fans. Before the game, they were. They were like, beating the. Out of that. That Bruins mannequin. They were on roller. Rollerblades, right? Yeah, they were going, like, fighting that thing. And then they had. I saw like, four different Stanley Cups that they had made out of tinfoil that they were just drinking beers out of. I think that they're too drunk to worry about curses.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And then. Max, can I get. Can I get a recap of the Flyers Penguins game from a drunk? Max.

[Max]

I was pretty drunk for that game, but his hair right now you look

[Big Cat]

like hearing something about Mary.

[Max]

Do I got. I got come in my hair?

[Memes]

Probably, yeah.

[Max]

You've never seen that. There's something about Mary Memes.

[Big Cat]

Wait, have you not.

[Memes]

I haven't.

[Big Cat]

I've seen the first five minutes, Zach. Have you?

[Max]

Well, I said there's coming my hair and memes, like, what? Why did you.

[Big Cat]

I was like.

[Memes]

Doesn't get it.

[Big Cat]

You Might have come in your hair. You gotta watch that. Isn't your favorite comedy like the Zohan?

[Max]

Not another teen movie.

[Big Cat]

I think is.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's up there.

[Big Cat]

Drop a Thunder's good.

[Memes]

Who's.

[Big Cat]

Who's.

[Hank]

Or. That's my boy.

[Memes]

He loves boy.

[Hank]

Don't mess with the Zohan.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Fires Porter Martone.

[Max]

Absolute beast.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

Absolute beast.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[Max]

That's. That's basically what I got for. From that game.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

And Malkin still plays, you know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we knew that.

[Max]

I know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I told you. I. I didn't think so. And then he had two points.

[Big Cat]

And then we had the. The. The Hurricanes shut out and the Wild, Wild.

[Memes]

Kick the.

[Big Cat]

Out of the Stars.

[Memes]

Yeah, that was. That's pretty brutal.

[Big Cat]

That was crazy.

[Memes]

They jumped on them early.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And is that.

[Memes]

Is that series over?

[Big Cat]

No, but it's. I mean, that was pretty nuts. I think Canadiens Lightning might be my series to watch. That was an awesome, awesome game.

[Memes]

I think the Sabers Bruins might be over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's a tough one to come back from. Wow.

[Hank]

Guarantee.

[Memes]

No, I. It might be over. I think it's over.

[Hank]

I don't.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

I think you're dead wrong per usual.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he's not dead wrong per usual.

[Hank]

He's more wrong than right.

[Memes]

I think all of us are more wrong than right.

[Big Cat]

We go by the more right than wrong.

[Memes]

We go by baseball rules here.

[Big Cat]

You literally said that this is the best weekend of the year and then we got to watch 7 out of 8 of the games be.

[Hank]

I just love sports, personally. Like, you got. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Second round is where it's at. I told you that. Second round Kentucky games, Kentucky Derby weekend. When it's second round or game sevens. That's when it's. That's when it's cooking.

[Hank]

I reserved the right to call any weekend the best weekend of the year. I also said best week of the year and you just misquoted me, but that's fine.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so you're gonna. So we're. We should expect some awesome basketball games coming.

[Memes]

That actually brings up a good question, Hank. Are the weekends. Is that part of the week?

[Big Cat]

We can't do this.

[Hank]

What do you mean?

[Memes]

When you just said it was. When you just said it was the best week of the year. Are you.

[Big Cat]

We can't do this.

[Memes]

What days do you mean by that?

[Hank]

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday days of

[Memes]

the week and not Saturday. Sunday the week.

[Hank]

That's the weekend.

[Memes]

It was a bad Saturday.

[Big Cat]

Sunday.

[Hank]

Well, those are the weekends, but that's

[Memes]

when all the Games were.

[Big Cat]

And this Monday.

[Hank]

I never said weekend. This Thursday.

[Memes]

You said week.

[Hank]

I was talking about this upcoming week and somehow talking about this past weekend, but that's fine.

[Memes]

Okay, so you.

[Big Cat]

Are we eliminating this weekend you're talking about. You're talking about.

[Memes]

I was not saying this Monday through Friday.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

I think the two weeks of the first round.

[Memes]

Oh, now it's two weeks.

[Hank]

I mean, we. This was. We're just replaying the conversation. You guys didn't listen to me the first time. You're probably not gonna listen this time. You're just gonna, you know, create whatever narrative you want.

[Big Cat]

I enjoy listening, Hank.

[Hank]

I enjoy the first two weeks of the NHL and NBA playoffs more than

[Big Cat]

any other two week stretch of the year. Yep. Okay, noted. It's wrong, but noted.

[Hank]

What's your favorite?

[Memes]

I like feast week.

[Big Cat]

Conference championship week into March Madness or feast week with NFL, which is sometimes rivalry week as well. It is rivalry week. I actually need one week. Just feast week.

[Hank]

Cool.

[Big Cat]

I can do it all in seven days. Unlike you, who needs 14 to prove that we can get one competitive basketball series

[Hank]

and hockey.

[Big Cat]

Okay, before we do, who's back of the week, there was a big NFL trade.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[Memes]

Massive.

[Big Cat]

Dexter Lawrence traded to the Bengals for the number 10th overall pick. Crazy. Out of nowhere. I actually have a theory that they probably did this late at night because they were waiting until Mike Brown was asleep. And because this. This does feel like a atypical Bengals move because you're trading the 10th overall pick, which you have to pay on a rookie salary scale for Dexter Lawrence, who's been in the pros for seven years, and you're gonna pay him 28, $29 million. I think he signed for $28 million. They waited till he went to sleep, maybe tucked him in, and they're like, we're going to do this trade.

[Memes]

I. I actually thought that this is an awesome move for Harbaugh. Like, I think Harbaugh, I don't know, he. He might have gotten the best. This is a really good offer that he got from the Bengals. So I don't want to say that, like, it was entirely because of this, but I think it was an added bonus for Harbaugh that he got to send Dexter Lawrence back into the division of the team that fired him. Yeah, I thought he's like, yes, at least. At least if I'm getting rid of this awesome player, he's going to play against the. The Baltimore Ravens twice a year, and that's an added bonus for him. But, like, if you're gonna get the 10th overall pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And his stats, not always like unbelievable jump off the page stats.

[Big Cat]

He had a down year last year, but that doesn't. I would take a guy off a

[Memes]

down year and they're pretty decent stats. But then when you look at the team defense. Oh yeah, when he plays versus when he doesn't play, he's one of the best defensive tackles in all football.

[Big Cat]

He's, he's a game record in that respect. He demands, he makes everyone else around him good. The Bengals have reconfigured their defense in an impressive fashion, which good for them to finally say, hey, maybe if we can stop a couple other teams, we can, we can win some games because Joe Bro is going to put up 40 a few times. I, people were freaking out. They thought that the Bengals overpaid. I get it. 10th overall pick. It was, it was a little shocking to see that it was just the 10th overall pick and it wasn't like, oh, the Bengals are getting back, you know, a third round or something else with it. I actually think it's fine because the Bengals are just saying, hand up. We cannot draft defense. So we're gonna just get the guy who we know can play defense. Like everyone says, oh, you don't give up the 10th overall pick for a guy who's been in the league for seven years. Maybe you do if you're just, if you're just incapable of drafting defense.

[Memes]

And they gave him an extension too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

So you know what I mean? Like they took the, they took the gun out of their own hand being like, hey, we can't be, we can't be accountable for this. We're going to just get a known quantity.

[Memes]

We know that this guy's good. He can't be a bust. He's already certified not a bust.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

But yeah, 10 10th overall pick, 5th overall pick for the Giants. Pretty, pretty dangerous stuff. They're ready to make some moves.

[Big Cat]

The other wrinkle I like on this move is that the OB O BJ to Cleveland trade stays alive. So this is fun. I love whenever this happens. Odell Beckham was traded to Cleveland in 2019 for the 17th overall pick. And some other stuff. The 17th overall pick was Dexter Lawrence. Dexter Lawrence traded now to the Bengals for the 10th overall pick. So the 10th overall pick is from OBJ.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So it's just going to keep going. I hope they keep whoever they draft in the with the 10th overall pick. I hope someday the, the Giants trade them for another first round pick. But that's it just keeps going forever and forever. It's like this is what started all these trades.

[Memes]

It's really OBJ's ghost.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, exactly.

[Memes]

He's still with us.

[Big Cat]

It's the ghost pick from obj.

[Memes]

I. I do think that. Doesn't he want to keep playing? I think he wants to go back to the Giants, right?

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[Memes]

All right, I'd like to see that.

[Big Cat]

So there are how many teams have two picks in the first round this year now? The jets have two, the Giants have two. The Cowboys have two.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Who else do the Rams have?

[Memes]

Two.

[Big Cat]

Browns. The Rams have.

[Memes]

No, no, the Falcons pick.

[Big Cat]

The Rams traded their other one. Okay. I believe.

[Memes]

I believe the Browns have the Jaguars pick.

[Big Cat]

Yes. It's kind of weird seeing like all these teams. So. Yeah, I mean, it's. If you're a Giants fan, you got to be pumped. Dexter Lawrence is really good and your defense is going to have a hole in it that you got to figure out how to fill. But having the fifth and 10th pick is a fun. That's a fun proposition.

[Memes]

Yeah. You're going to have a very, very entertaining Thursday night. That's what it's all about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's about this draft. Is. Is for. Is actually the New York draft. So what do you guys have? Memes? You have 2 and 16. 16. Would you ever rather have 5 and 10 or 2 and 16?

[Memes]

5 and 10.

[Big Cat]

Especially in this one. Yeah, especially in this one. But that was, that was crazy trade.

[Memes]

And then Texans gave Will Anderson a massive extension.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

He's now the highest paid non quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Good for him.

[Memes]

Great for him.

[Big Cat]

Good for him. Okay, let's do who's back of the week and then we have some more football talk with Tomic Shay because it is draft week. Great time with Todd McShay before we do that. Experian. It's never too late to improve your credit. With Experian Boost, you can raise your credit scores instantly for free. Get credit for the bills you're already paying. Add your positive rent, utility and even streaming payments to instantly increase your credit scores. Boost your credit scores instantly. Experian Boost is completely free and can instantly raise your credit scores. Get better credit scores. Get credit for the bills you're already paying. Increase your credit scores instantly for free. Now paying rent could boost your credit score instantly. Download the app and get started for free today. Results will vary. Not all payments are boost eligible or considered by lenders. See experian.com for details. We also are brought to you who's back of the Week is brought to you by Twisted T. Twisted T is refreshing hard iced tea made with real Brewed tea and 5% alcohol. Twisted tea is the perfect drink to keep the good times going all day and all season long. Whether you're hanging out at a friend's house, catching a game at the stadium or at the bar, or day drinking with friends, twisted tea is there to turn your day up a notch and make a good time, a great time. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. We love the half and half. We love the original. We love the Lefty Lockwood pack. Go get a twisted tea today. Hank, your who's back of the week.

[Hank]

Sick new jerseys, Groundbreaking jerseys. Ravens released theirs Thursday night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Massive.

[Big Cat]

It was a pretty crazy. Crazy how many people showed up for the reveal. Yeah.

[Hank]

Of their jerseys that are the exact. Like I.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, they are the exact. Yeah, no, no, they changed the exact same. I think the piping changed.

[Memes]

Look at this piping going on.

[Hank]

They made a whole. Whole, like Thursday night, like prime time reveal.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

With like a four minute video.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And the piping.

[Hank]

They're the same jerseys.

[Memes]

They look okay. I think the Ravens had the best redesign. I'd say. No, Rams. Rams, yeah, the best redesign. And then Ravens close second.

[Big Cat]

And then College Football Playoff.

[Memes]

And College Football Playoff. Then the Commanders way down the list.

[Hank]

Is that one of them? I mean, those jerseys are money.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can we see the old versus new?

[Memes]

This is new Luke McCaffrey, Hank. This is. He might change his jersey number again this offseason and if we get another wide receiver and he has to, like, get paid $50,000 to change it.

[Hank]

Those are sick jerseys.

[Memes]

Yeah, I like it. You know what I don't like about these jerseys? I don't know. Does the font look weird to you?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it does.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It looks like, like a creative player. Looks like some custom. Like a custom like you. You type in the last name. It's not an actual, like, player's jersey.

[Memes]

I got some skinny ass font. It's like the Henderson. Yeah, like, his font was weird. Yeah, no, the. The Commanders obviously had the best readers. If you were to actually power ranked them, Commanders won. And then I don't know what changed with the Ravens and the Rams, if we're being totally honest.

[Hank]

Yeah, I. I couldn't believe I was excited to see the Ravens new ones.

[Big Cat]

And it's just.

[Hank]

They're the same ones, but same as the Rams. Braylon Mullen's also back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yukon that.

[Big Cat]

Now, Brit, Why do I recognize that name?

[Hank]

He was a player on UConn last year.

[Big Cat]

Oh. Do you have any big moments?

[Hank]

He was expected to go to the id, let his team the final four.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he's the one who hit the shot against Duke. That's right.

[Hank]

A lot of players in that game had shots.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he hit the last shot,

[Memes]

the one that, like, there was 10 seconds left, and then Duke was trying to get the ball.

[Big Cat]

Why did you do this yourself?

[Memes]

I just did.

[Hank]

Bradley's back is who's back of the week. That's my. My job to report on who is back.

[Memes]

And that's what we love.

[Hank]

He is someone that is back.

[Memes]

Like, regardless of your personal investment, you're going to deliver the news. Always right down the middle.

[Hank]

Always

[Big Cat]

right down. Right.

[Todd McShay]

Right.

[Hank]

I care. Yeah. I. I have journalistic integrity.

[Memes]

Yeah. That's fact.

[Hank]

It means something to me.

[Big Cat]

What do you think about the Mike Vrabel situation?

[Hank]

The team, the Patriots, just in general. I think he's a cool coach. I think he had a great year, and I'm. I'm excited to see what he does with. With this upcoming year.

[Big Cat]

Did you see our guy Zo?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's like, I like my jobs.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'm not commenting.

[Memes]

That was his comment.

[Big Cat]

Is him saying, I like my jobs at all? Timeline. It's great. He's like, yeah, I like my jobs. What do you want me to say?

[Memes]

Okay, you know what? I'm actually seeing the difference between the. Yeah. The white piping, the white Ravens New jersey, like, around the neck, collars got the wings.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

It's like the stuff that chicks stand in front of if it's painted on a wall and get their picture taken.

[Max]

They also put play like a raven on the inside of the jersey.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Max]

And, Zach, what did you notice about it?

[Zach]

They went from 3D numbers to 1D numbers. D down instead of D and up.

[Memes]

D down.

[Zach]

You can see the shadow.

[Hank]

They should D up the deed up. Looks way better.

[Zach]

I agree.

[Hank]

They should have won 40.

[Zach]

Oh, I don't hate that move.

[Big Cat]

40.

[Zach]

40 on the numbers. I don't know if cloth technology is

[Hank]

there yet, but that would have been something.

[Memes]

But you know what?

[Hank]

I've been something worth talking about.

[Zach]

These.

[Hank]

I mean, this. Looking at this picture, it's even worse.

[Memes]

But you know what? They. They did this because the black jerseys

[Hank]

were better with the.

[Memes]

With the. Yeah.

[Hank]

Yellow.

[Memes]

That way they can come back in, like, five years and all the jersey redesign them again, and they're gonna bring back the 3D numbers, and then everybody's gonna be like, oh, thank God. The 3D numbers are back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. A good. Who's back?

[Hank]

Hank, thanks a couple.

[Memes]

Oh, do you understand who's back?

[Hank]

Bryson being a little.

[Big Cat]

I had it.

[Hank]

All right.

[Big Cat]

No, no, it's okay. Let's talk about it.

[Memes]

Lives back.

[Big Cat]

He just quit. He's a. The fall of Bryson is so funny because he had that stretch where he was the YouTube and he was likable.

[Hank]

He beat Rory in the US Open.

[Big Cat]

Rory in the US Open. He can't help himself. He cannot. I. I What? I. My theory. It's not like a novel theory. I think he spent a lot of money on a PR team, and then he started to get a lot of positive reaction, and he's like, I don't need to pay this PR team any money. I. I'm. People love me. He fired the PR team, and he's just fallen back into Bryson.

[Memes]

Well, I think on his YouTube channel, he knows how to, like, push the buttons to. To pretend to be a likable YouTuber.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And. But then once you get him out in the. In, like, the real world, where he has to interact and he doesn't have final cut.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Of a tournament that's taking place live, and then he's just screaming at a rules official about how bad this ground that he has to hit off is. And then I.

[Hank]

That didn't even look that bad either.

[Memes]

No, it wasn't. He was on the grass. The rules official should have just been like, yeah, my recommendation is that you don't hit the ball over here next time, Bryson. Like, he hit the ball, like, 40 yards to the right of the green. Imagine. Imagine the balls you have to have, like, big cat. Anyone can go online right now. Watch the most recent YouTube video from part of my take. We play golf.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my seven iron.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But, like, occasionally, you guys want to

[Hank]

flop that shot anyway.

[Memes]

Yeah, we would flop it nice. We know how to flop real nice. We hit a lot of bad shots.

[Big Cat]

Ah, you think?

[Memes]

I. I will never be surprised at a situation I find myself in on a golf course. I'll be like, yeah, I did this to myself. That's what you have to. You can't complain to the rules official. Be like, yeah, I accidentally hit the ball over the gallery, and there's a dirt patch over here. What kind of shitty course do you have us playing on?

[Big Cat]

One of my favorite things, whenever we do a golf video, which I. It's fun. We have fun going out there. It was fun vibes, spring break vibes. So we weren't, like, under the gun trying to Sneak in a golf video with like a million other things to do. But I'll always get people be like, it's. It's so annoying. Big cat doesn't take this seriously. It's like, what am I? I. I suck. I golf like three times a year. I'm so bad at golf. I. Should I be out there being Johnny Harto on the golf course when. Like, when. When someone's like, hey, what do you want to shoot? You're 150. When I'm like, who cares? Because I. Every shot sucks for me. What am I supposed to do, you guys? I suck.

[Memes]

No, just have fun.

[Big Cat]

If I had time to put in time to get better, I would maybe take it more seriously. I don't have that time right now.

[Hank]

Feel that?

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, people giving me actual, like, hey, you get your. Your backswing is not like, is too short. It's like, I, dude, I don't. I don't golf enough to get tips. They don't change anything.

[Hank]

I don't.

[Big Cat]

I don't play enough.

[Memes]

That's the beauty of the Internet. You put. You put any swing up there and you'll have a million tips.

[Big Cat]

I will let everyone know when I start taking golf seriously, then you will see. I. I will take all the. I'll take all the. The criticism tips, everything. I want, all of it. Until that day comes, until I have the time to actually go out and practice, I'm not going to take golf seriously because I just don't have time to do it.

[Hank]

Preaching to the choir, man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right, Hank. You know what I'm saying?

[Hank]

It's not that serious.

[Big Cat]

But either way, yeah, Bryson is. He just sucks again. The craziest one was the putt that didn't go in from like five feet.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And he got so mad.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Memes]

He gets mad at the, at the course. Everything is everyone else's fault.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[Memes]

It's never a Bryson issue when he walks into a rope. Why the was that rope standing in where my face was going? That's up. What's this stuff about the. The 3D printed five iron?

[Big Cat]

That was 3D printers.

[Hank]

Well, he 3D prints all of his clubs, but, yeah, that was. That was A Masters NBA 3D prints

[Memes]

all of his clubs and one specifically. I think he had to get, like, last minute approval.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, I think they're like, they're

[Hank]

like, hey, because you 3D print your clubs, have you been thinking about making a new one to adjust for some changes for the weekend? And he was like, that's when he was like, obviously not. Like, you have to get approved. Like, there's a long process with the usga, like, that couldn't just. I couldn't just make one tomorrow.

[Memes]

Don't you know anything about 3D printing golf clubs? This is basic stuff.

[Todd McShay]

No.

[Hank]

So it's like he has to. He gets them printed, and then. And then the clubs he gets printed. Have to.

[Max]

Whatever.

[Hank]

I don't know the process, obviously. No one else does, but, yeah, he would. The. The reaction to that question was when he was like, yeah.

[Memes]

I've also been reading some of the replies from, like, golf physicists. And these are people that.

[Hank]

It was also a classic notes app excuse of why it was like, it was the most, like, I got mad and I'm quit.

[Big Cat]

My wrist hurts.

[Hank]

Literally. Like, I'm.

[Big Cat]

I'm just.

[Hank]

I'm going home.

[Memes]

But, yeah, these golf physicists out there, which is a thing I didn't even know existed until recently, saying that because Bryson does this thing where he has all of his clubs the same length. It's just. It's engineered to have him hit the ball long into the left on every single swing. And then there are people being like, I think Bryson, who won, he's a major champion. We know better than you. And the guy's like, I mean, it's just physics. It's just a physical thing where if he has this type of club, he's going to keep up. And that's all he's been doing. It's fun to watch. I like it.

[Big Cat]

He's. Bryson's back. You guys. You guys kind of agree with my. My theory again, it's not a novel theory, but, like, he definitely thought. He's like, I got this, guys. Because there was a moment where everyone hated him, and then he. The public switched on him, and it was, like, very deliberate. His PR and the way he reacted to things, the way he interacted with people is, like, very deliberate. And he's totally backslid into, like, old Bryson.

[Hank]

Yeah, he lost when he lost, like, he was in the obviously final group with Rory last year, and losing that, like, that was kind of like the momentum. Like, oh, everyone was kind of rooting. I mean, myself included, where it's like, I'd rather see Bryson beat Rory here. And then he kind of. He. He threw that one away and just has not. He's been struggling ever since.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you know what? He's. I would love to see him, because we were talking about the death of Liv, and. Which is so sad, by the way.

[Hank]

It's Not. It's awesome.

[Memes]

It's not.

[Big Cat]

It's bad.

[Hank]

Yeah, It's. It's so back.

[Big Cat]

Right. But when it does die, because it

[Hank]

will die after this year, everyone said, you're gonna die.

[Memes]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

Dude.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Kyle Shanahan.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Damn. It'd be really funny if they made Bryson go to the corn ferry. Would you not agree? Yeah, it'd be great content. I mean, if they want to get the Corn Fairy some views, Bryson will bring views. It's a fact.

[Memes]

I. I could see Bryce and Jess trying to monetize YouTube. Just be like, I'll start my own.

[Big Cat]

He's just like, I'm gonna win there in an invitational every year.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That'll be my money.

[Memes]

Yeah. Dave is going to be my. My new, like, tour director. No, I think he might have. He might have fired his PR team. I think he's just. He got really into YouTube brain. And then when he's not on YouTube and he doesn't have that filter that he can then very carefully manicure, he falls back into regular Bryson mode.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Yep. Okay. Pft. Or who's back.

[Memes]

That's a good. Who's backing?

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

Hit three.

[Todd McShay]

Go.

[Memes]

One more.

[Big Cat]

Go around the bases.

[Hank]

I.

[Memes]

The Red Sox.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

What happened? They lost. Oh.

[Hank]

Marathon Monday, though. They're playing this morning. That's always fun.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

Shout out to marathon. Marathon's back. Boston Marathon's back.

[Big Cat]

There you go. You found your way there.

[Memes]

Even. Even walkers.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Good luck to all the runs.

[Memes]

It said, runners welcome, walkers tolerated.

[Big Cat]

But then they took it down.

[Hank]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Because the pace shaming all time.

[Memes]

I don't know. Nobody cares.

[Big Cat]

I think the actual thing was patient.

[Memes]

Yeah. That's. In theory, that's what they did. But if you're running in the Boston Marathon, you have to be a pretty good runner. You have to qualify for that.

[Big Cat]

I just love that pace shaming is a thing.

[Hank]

And if you're selling running shoes, walking should not be welcome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It was a good slogan.

[Memes]

In fact, if they're trying to stand up for anybody, like, when it comes to pace shaming, that's. It's people like us. And I'm not offended by it.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, it's like us who are like, running a marathon is not impressive because in the back of our heads, we're like, well, we could just walk it. Yeah, we could. We could lightly jog it for a couple miles, then walk the rest and say, we did it.

[Memes]

I'm gonna do it one day.

[Big Cat]

No, you aren't.

[Memes]

You'll never know. Because I won't tell you.

[Big Cat]

You. You hurt your calf every time we do anything.

[Memes]

I just started running again. Forgot I turned to two miles today. Felt good.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I've started. I just started walking again.

[Memes]

Nice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I learned how to walk today.

[Memes]

You're on. You're on your way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Pfc, your who's back?

[Memes]

My who's back? Is Liv live? Might be. They said that they. They actually have plenty of money, thank you very much. And they have no idea where all this negative reporting got started at, but they're not in financial trouble, and they'll be around for at least the next year.

[Big Cat]

Stop printing that. Stop saying that.

[Memes]

Stop saying that. Liv is in financial trouble, because they might not be in as bad financial trouble as they originally thought. Hank, did you see that?

[Hank]

I did.

[Memes]

What's the translation on that?

[Hank]

I don't know.

[Memes]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Big Cat]

Nope.

[Memes]

Are you looking at your phone?

[Hank]

I was looking at my phone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Live.

[Big Cat]

Live. Love, Laugh, love.

[Memes]

They're not actually dead.

[Hank]

They're not dead.

[Memes]

So what does that mean?

[Hank]

They just need to find outside funding.

[Memes]

Okay, so we could potentially fund live.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

If we got, like, 10. I don't even know how much, but yeah, we could.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

They're not going to get financial funding. I feel like the second Saudi Arabia who has, like, infinity money is like, hey, does anybody else want to help us with this bill? Everyone's gonna be like, no, absolutely.

[Hank]

They've got some sponsors, like a couple apparel sponsors. Like, well, I don't want to shout out competitors to rollback. There's been some sponsors.

[Memes]

Okay, how.

[Big Cat]

I think you probably not one sponsor as much as.

[Zach]

As.

[Big Cat]

Can you name two sponsors?

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Three. No.

[Memes]

The amount of free airtime that Hank has given them, it probably makes you,

[Big Cat]

like, yeah, we are a sponsor.

[Memes]

You're the number three sponsor.

[Big Cat]

Part of my take is absolutely a sponsor.

[Hank]

You guys bring them up more than I do.

[Memes]

It's just not true. Anyways, my real who's back of the week is AI. AI is back specifically with Zuck. Have you seen Zuck's new thing that he's gonna do?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

It's very relatable, very cool. Like, cool CEO of him, because he's just, like, one of the guys. He is creating an AI clone of himself to interact with and provide feedback to employees and handle his Facebook meetings around the office. So instead, I kind of love this. Instead of meeting with the people that work underneath him, he's just gonna have his AI clone appear on, like, a facetime chat with them. And then his AI clone can do the meeting instead of him. And then he can be busy doing, you know, the real stuff, like not getting choked out. Hank, what do you think? Hank?

[Hank]

It's crazy. It's a crazy move.

[Big Cat]

If you had the technology, how fast would you have AI Hank sitting on that couch?

[Hank]

No, I would not. I would never. AI. You can't. In this brain, AI could not come close to what this brain is.

[Big Cat]

AI. Hank would be golfing.

[Memes]

Give your AI clone pay off. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, give your AI iClone like golf lessons.

[Memes]

No, that's the funny. Like Hank's AI clone would fucking hate Hank because it would just want to golf. And Hank would be like, you have to go do my meetings.

[Big Cat]

You get your AI clone addicted to golf.

[Memes]

Your aklone would hate your guts, dude. I. I would love an AI clone of myself, though. I would. Yeah, it'd be fun, like, just to send it to do all the. That you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You don't want to do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

[Memes]

My.

[Big Cat]

Who's back of the week is Diana Rossini.

[Memes]

What happened?

[Big Cat]

She saved someone's life.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And a dog.

[Memes]

And a dog's life.

[Big Cat]

I can't believe this is real. But on Friday, the. The headline is Diana Rossini Mount's daring rescue of Elderly man Dog trapped in car crash. A week after Mike Vrabel scandal. Listen, whatever you. Whatever you want to say about. We talked a lot about it. She deserves credit for this. She seems like this guy was in trouble, and she acted very quickly.

[Memes]

So it was so good job. It was an elderly guy. They had a dog. They had pictures of the car.

[Big Cat]

It was.

[Memes]

And the car was really up. It got overturned. And then she was driving apparently right behind the car. And then with the help of a tall man, she got on top of the car and then reached in, pulled the elderly man out along with the dog. And then somebody that was they. The New York Post keeps using the word spy in all their articles, which I don't. I don't know if that's something that they always do, but they said they had a spy on the scene that then said, like, what happened to everybody? Like, that's the best PR that money can buy.

[Big Cat]

Unbelievable.

[Memes]

That's like PR 101.

[Big Cat]

Like, naturally drive up on this.

[Memes]

It's some Tim Tebow shit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Besides the sex.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. But it's. Yeah. Pretty incredible.

[Big Cat]

The tall man and I saw the one comment that said pfd. No, he has good alibi.

[Memes]

Good album. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Tall man confirmed. Very tall man.

[Memes]

I was not at the scene.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, okay. That would actually have been. That would have been funny if, like, the. If the person having to climb out of the car, like, had to jump and they. And she finger locked at the bottom.

[Memes]

Yeah. Not again. Like, here.

[Big Cat]

Jump in here.

[Memes]

Not again.

[Big Cat]

These pictures are gonna go out again. All right, Zach, My.

[Zach]

Who's Back of the week this week is gonna be the Sidemen for their annual Sidemen charity match that just went. Took place this weekend. You guys catch any clips from that?

[Memes]

The Sidemen.

[Zach]

Yes, sir.

[Big Cat]

How.

[Todd McShay]

Hold on.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Can I take a timeout?

[Zach]

We can take a tee.

[Big Cat]

How the fuck was your who's Back week? Not I show speed at WrestleMania.

[Zach]

That was the second one.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. Good. All right. Give me the sidemen first. Oh, this was the thing you were watching?

[Zach]

Yeah, I was watching the. The prep. They do a round of training the day before.

[Todd McShay]

Who.

[Big Cat]

Who are these people?

[Zach]

So the Sidemen is a. They're huge, objectively, the biggest, like, seven man in Europe when it comes to YouTube. But it's like KSI, Vickstar, mini mentor, Bazinga, all of them combined.

[Big Cat]

How are they bigger than ishowspeed

[Zach]

Speed Special? But the Sidemen are on their own, right? Are pretty massive.

[Big Cat]

So they're just dudes that are hanging out and love to do shit together.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And they've been doing it for a little kid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're like barstool England.

[Memes]

They. It's like, dude, perfect.

[Zach]

No, no, we can't put dude perfect slander on the Sidemen. The Sidemen transcend something like, dude, perfect.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

They.

[Big Cat]

They're like practical jokers.

[Zach]

Yeah, that. That would be a good comp.

[Memes]

Okay, what does sidemen mean?

[Big Cat]

Good comps on the comp.

[Zach]

They're a sideman.

[Memes]

Yeah, but what's a sideman?

[Big Cat]

If we're all.

[Zach]

When there's six of us right now, we could be six sidemen.

[Memes]

But wait, I.

[Hank]

You guys are front men.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you guys are the side man.

[Memes]

So these guys. These guys are all the sidemen for themselves. It's like. Oh, like the Three Musketeers. Who's the all for one?

[Zach]

Objectively, the biggest sideman would be KSI or jj.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I've heard of KSI.

[Zach]

Yeah. KSI would be the biggest one. But I think some of the beautiful thing about the Sidemen and some of their prolonged success is just because there's. Everyone has peaks and valleys. Like, Vickstar's had a big couple of years, and then mini mentor has a good couple of years, but they. They stay in Equal seven.

[Big Cat]

They're their friends.

[Zach]

Yeah, I would. I think so.

[Big Cat]

Okay, nice.

[Zach]

A watcher outside looking in.

[Memes]

So what they do, they just had

[Zach]

their annual charity match second year and where they did it at Wembley. Sold it out. 90,000 seats. Did like 8.3 million for charity one match. So get it. They get a lot of guys together to play against each other on the pitch and then they raise a bunch of money for charity. It's beautiful thing.

[Big Cat]

That's cool. And then your other who's back Other

[Zach]

who's back of the week would be WrestleMania.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I don't know if you guys saw I Show Speeds WrestleMania debut was in a 3v3 match. Didn't quite go his way. Didn't get the win. One of his teammates in the 3v3, Logan Paul was then a little disgruntled. So Speed had to hit him with an all time move. Top rope splash. Looked to be about 20ft in the. In the air. Puts him through a table.

[Big Cat]

And that.

[Zach]

That just speaks to like it was a.

[Big Cat]

It was a very athletic move by Ishowspeed.

[Zach]

Unreal athleticism.

[Big Cat]

Yes. I'll give you that.

[Hank]

Zach Trump can never.

[Big Cat]

No, I was gonna say we're all

[Zach]

thinking one guy who could never make

[Hank]

that jump, but never, never be in the wwe.

[Big Cat]

He's got you there.

[Zach]

Not from. Not from the rope like that.

[Big Cat]

Not from the rope like that. Did you see I show speeds jump?

[Hank]

I've seen Trump get stunnered.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but this was a sick jump, Hank. They were like, don't do that. No way. He can't do it. And then he did it.

[Memes]

And then did did that guy go, oh, that's. God's my witness.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it was pretty sick. So shout out to your boy.

[Zach]

I show Speed you got some height on that jump.

[Memes]

He did get some height. That's impressive.

[Zach]

As far as like a debut. Like I know people say I have a lot to say about we but

[Big Cat]

no, that's a risky jump. That was a cool move. I all credit to Ishowspeed there. Absolutely.

[Hank]

So this is standard stuff.

[Big Cat]

No, it's not. Who do you get beat by?

[Zach]

So they went up. It was a 3v3 match is the Usos brothers. So Jay and Jimmy and the La Knight went up against Austin Theory, Logan Paul and Speed. But then Logan Paul turned on him after they lost and they cost him his mania. So he was like, all right, well, I guess I'll just have to hit you with the top rope splash.

[Hank]

Oh, I do have one more. Who's back?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were going to talk about it. We'll talk about it after. So at the end of the show, we'll talk. I memes and Zach and I went to the Mets Cubs game on Saturday and then we also have some Monday reading as well. Before we do that.

[Memes]

Oh, I do have one more.

[Todd McShay]

Who's back?

[Memes]

Oh, yeah, Tottenham.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Zach updated me personally.

[Memes]

Tottenham's back.

[Big Cat]

Because I was sitting next to the point.

[Memes]

Tottenham, they got a result. They were winning. And then with like, I think it was in the 95th minute, so they were five minutes into added time out of, I think eight total minutes of added time. They gave up a heartbreaking goal. So they got a tie instead of a win. Now, if you look at it, to be relegated, Tottenham is now at minus 1:30.

[Big Cat]

They're one point back from West Ham.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So last week, West Ham has a extra game to play, though. That's the problem.

[Memes]

Well, that's an extra opportunity for a point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. For a problem for Tottenham. So last week I think they were reversed and Tottenham was plus 150 to be relegated and West Ham was minus 130. Now they switched. Now Tottenham is actually favored to be relegated at the end of the season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, because Nottingham Forest got three points.

[Memes]

So important three.

[Big Cat]

Important three.

[Zach]

They've got a 54 chance of percent chance of relegation right now.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Zach]

Also yet to win a home game in 2026.

[Big Cat]

Not good.

[Memes]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

Also for counting points ahead of the last 45 points available, they got. They took six of them.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you got to get more points than that.

[Max]

Man City won a big one, too.

[Big Cat]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Max]

Man City over Arsenal for the top.

[Memes]

So what's Man City?

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're trying.

[Zach]

What.

[Big Cat]

What does it have to do with anything?

[Max]

I thought we were just talking soccer.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, no, we are talking soccer. No, no, that's a fact. We are.

[Memes]

We are. 100 talking is man City, that place that Tom Bruno and got in trouble for?

[Big Cat]

No, it's Man City's one of the. The London teams.

[Memes]

Oh, that's right. Yeah, but they're. No, no, Birmingham.

[Max]

Man City and Arsenal are fighting for the. For the championship.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but Man City, I think Arsenal's still in first.

[Max]

Yeah, but Man City beat them today. So now it's. Now it's in.

[Big Cat]

Now it's on.

[Max]

Or maybe not today.

[Memes]

Oh, it's on.

[Big Cat]

Now it's on.

[Memes]

No, Max is right. This Arsenal and I go, I base everything I Know about the EPL table off of Za and like, three months ago, Zah was like, literally dancing through the office, like, doing jigs throughout the office because Arsenal was finally gonna. They were gonna win the EPL this year. They were so far ahead.

[Big Cat]

But isn't this just a situation? Like, Man City's a London club. They got all the money. Arsenal's not. They don't have money. Right.

[Memes]

They're from ours.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And like, Man City objectively should be relegated just for doing weird stuff with the money.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Bad guys.

[Memes]

They got investigated last year, right?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, I thought they were gonna get a bunch of penalties and I.

[Zach]

But I assume it's just like, the penalties are never big enough. The real penalty should be relegation because they're. They just print they're gonna have the money for the penalties. Like, yeah, we'll go find that.

[Big Cat]

But I like that the real penalty should be losing all your friends.

[Zach]

Yeah. Teach them a lesson. Take them away.

[Memes]

Arsenal. I think the moral is, like, Arsenal, they can get off to a hot start, but a Scottish team's never going to win the epl.

[Big Cat]

Facts. Okay, let's get to our interview. We got Todd McShay. We're talking NFL draft. PFT. You got a couple ads before we do that.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest, our good friend, long time recurring guest. It is draft season. It is Todd McShay. He is the number one NFL draft analyst for the Ringer. You can go listen to his show, the McShay.

[Todd McShay]

Just for the ringer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, well, yeah, actually, you're number one overall, but I, you know that I wanted to shout where you work. You are number one overall.

[Memes]

Stephen Che.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, let's start with this. The, the was there rankings. Was there a part of you last year that you're like, you know, you love Mel. You, you consider him a very dear friend, but he had a meltdown about Shador and you're like, yeah, look, I'm, I'm number one.

[Todd McShay]

You want the honest truth on that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

I was like, I wish I was there right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

[Todd McShay]

For him. Oh, like, for him. Because I think we could have, like, we could have channeled that a little bit.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

That's the only time since I've left, since I have parted ways with ESPN where I was like, I'd like to be on that set. We could have kind of maneuvered this a little bit, you know, we would have made it. Yeah. But, yeah, that was wild.

[Big Cat]

He turned out to be right, though.

[Todd McShay]

Pro Bowler.

[Big Cat]

Right. Like egg on everyone else's face. You made fun of Mel. Mel Kuiper was like, there's a Pro bowl quarterback that's in the fifth round. How is he not being picked? He was completely vindicated against all odds

[Memes]

on third and long.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

That's when I knew yeah.

[Todd McShay]

So, sure. Run with the Pro Bowler thing.

[Big Cat]

We will. Thank you.

[Todd McShay]

Honestly, though, like, I used to needle him for years. Like, would you stand on it with a quarterback? Like, stand on it, please. Like, you know, and I. Because, like, I had to bash Tebow and Clawson and, and. And Quinn, and so there are certain guys, like, I would, I would stand on that. That hill.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And I felt like he just kind of was up, you know, he's really good, and this guy's really good. And so to see him, like, now, this is my guy, no matter what. Let's go. I'm riding with him. Yeah, I was pumped about that part.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I actually don't mind it. I. I like the passion from him. It was interesting. It gave us something to talk about. It might have been a little bit over the top, but I mean, like, that's ultimately why we watch TV is for, like, insane moments like that.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

I get it, though, because, like, the older I get and the longer I've been doing this. 26 years now. Right. I used to not be this angry on certain things, you know, and there's certain things that, that happen where I'm like, I used to be like, well, you know, and rationalize it and talk through it and this could happen or that could happen. And now I'm like, get out of here, man. Like, like, stop. You know? And like, so, so I get it. And he said he's got another, like, I don't know, 15 or so years on me. I don't know how long he was doing it prior to me, but so I can see why, like, just don't care anymore. Like, give zero, you know?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

All right. Going off that maybe this is your chance now. Like, who is the one guy in this draft that you would cry if he wasn't drafted before the fifth round?

[Todd McShay]

Ooh, for the fifth round.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Well, I mean, if you want to go with the quarterbacks, I think the guy that everyone's missing on is Cole Payton, the North Dakota State guy. I, I, like, I put on his tape, and I'm not talking first, second, I'm talking like, he should go third as a developmental guy who can help out short yardage and do different things. I put on his tape initially, and I was like, oh, gosh, here we go. Another Tim Tebow. He's a lefty, tight upper body, unique throwing like. And he was. He was basically like this, this hybrid fullback, quarterback, running back for three years at North Dakota State, one year starter. Like, I go, I'll get through this tape. But like he's just not. And then I keep watching and I'm sitting spots like, like off platform, guys hanging from, you know. So I think he's a guy that I view like, give me Cole Payton over Drew Aller every single day.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I like that. So let me ask a question about that. And this is a more a philosophical in the room, how teams operate. Is there any part of like the scouts and the NFL community that says Trey Lance didn't work out? We don't want to be the guys who then take another chance on. It's a little different because it's not a first round pick, you're saying for Cole Payton, but we don't want to be the guys who look stupid by taking another guy from North Dakota State. And like we learned this.

[Todd McShay]

What's interesting is that, that their preparation, like their, their, their verbiage, you know, like their, their play calls, it is very NFL like, like you've got to be smart to pick that up. The way they prepare, they're prepared for the NFL. Now Carson Wentz, like, it didn't, it didn't finish the way it started in the way it looked like it could. But that was a unique case in one individual. Trey Lance is a unique case in one individual. This guy Cole Payton, like, I don't see any, I don't see the same flags or concerns with him outside of the one year of starting. And again, you're going to get him in like the third, the third round, fourth round at the latest.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

So. And I'm not sitting. I don't want to make this the Cole Payton show.

[Big Cat]

I, I just.

[Memes]

You're gonna get drafted.

[Big Cat]

If he doesn't get drafted by the fifth round, we're gonna have you on. I'm gonna be on Sunday.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And Sunday night. And we're gonna demand tears. You can come on for 30 seconds.

[Todd McShay]

It's gonna be the same. Like Brian Hoyer. I remember sitting in the Radio City Music hall, right. And I was a young guy and I just gotten elevated. Like I was allowed to sit on the desk of day three of the draft, right. It was like me and her, Edwards, Trey Wingo. And my big thing that year was Brian Hoyer. Like not a first round or not, but like Brian Hoyer should be a third round pick. He's going to be a great backup who could start in this league. And somehow it just took a, took on a life of its own to where Brian Hoyer was sitting there. I think the fourth round or whatever it was whatever grade I had on him. He went like two rounds later, three rounds later. And there were people who were. You know those people, those folks that were inside Radio City Music hall on day three were psychos.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And I mean that mostly in a good way, but some of them. I don't mean it in a good way. They started chanting, like, Brian Hoyer, like, for half a round, to the point where Charlie Casserly brought me over. I was like, hey, don't. Don't get affected by that. Like, it's okay. It was like this whole thing going. He's like, listen, I got. I got railed for taking. What's his name, the. The defensive lineman? Mario. Mario Williams.

[Hank]

Over.

[Todd McShay]

Over Reggie Bush. Yeah, over Reggie Bush. Like, I know the feeling, so just hang in there.

[Memes]

Right?

[Todd McShay]

But. But yeah, I'll have a similar feeler feeling if we get to round five and Cole Payton's not off the board, I'll be pissed.

[Big Cat]

All right, so here's what we're gonna do. You're gonna. If. If we get to round five and he doesn't get picked, I want. We want a video. We demand a video for the awls, for our listeners of you, like, half whining, half crying, being like, how can. How did they not take this guy? And then we'll be good.

[Todd McShay]

I'll take it inside the studios at Spotify on Saturday and I will. I'll send it to you.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right, so let's, let's. Let's start from the top of the draft. How about big picture? Big picture, strongest positions. And overall, like, where you guys. Where you're landing with this draft in terms of how many first rounders you actually have graded

[Todd McShay]

Strongest positions, edge rusher, wide receiver, most unique position, and with the urgency is offensive tackle. Let's go. Edge rusher. Like, right off the top, we're going to see guys go. It's going to be David Bailey or Arvell Reese at 2 to the jets, right? Whoever doesn't get picked there is going to go in the next probably couple picks. Okay, then it's Reuben Bain. And yes, we've got the short arms. I think he's somewhere 7 to 14 is the Baltimore Ravens would be my range for him. Then you've got this kind of next tier of Keldrick Falk, who I'm a lot higher on than some people seem to be. And some teams are like, yeah, he's a top 20 player. Others are like, yeah, I think he's late. First, early second, big, tall, long, explosive player. Can rush outside, inside coming out of Auburn, but. But only two sacks a year ago. Just turned 21. He's a young kid. He's gonna have to learn on the fly. Then we've got a bunch of other edge rushers, right, that goes deep into the second round with the. The Cassius Howells, the T.J. parkers, the R. Mason Thomases, Zion Young from Missouri and Malachi Lawrence from ucf, who was the most explosive of the edge rushers, the true edge rushers, excluding Arvel Reese at the combine. So. So that class is deep. You can get them in the first, you can get them in the second, and you can get a few in the third. Wide receivers deep, too. But it's interesting because there's probably six receivers that are going to come off the board. And when Carnell Tate goes, you're going to see that first run. It's Carnell Tate from Ohio State. It's Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. A little bit of durability concerns there depends on team to team, but. But Tyson is maybe the. Just the most talented wide receiver in the class. Then you get Makai Lemon. Perfect fit in McVeigh's system. I think 13 is the. The home for him, or at least it looks like that would be the best fit. Then within the first round, you get the. That's the first tier. The second tier is Casey Concepcion from A m, Omar Cooper Jr. From Indiana and Denzel Boston from Washington. Then there's this kind of drop off and I can already hear Kuiper, like when we get to the second round on Friday night, I'm sure he'll. There'll be something about like the Killer Bees wide receiver, second round with. With Brazil.

[Memes]

And.

[Todd McShay]

And Brazil is one of them. Branch is one. Boston will have already gone. Brazil, Branch and. And who's the third? There's. There's a third B at wide receiver. Let me. I can't believe I'm. I'm failing you here. But you have to have like,

[Big Cat]

I do not. Do not apologize to us.

[Memes]

How many names would you.

[Todd McShay]

Zachariah Branch, Chris Bell.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. How many names do you have in your head right now?

[Todd McShay]

400.

[Big Cat]

Jesus.

[Memes]

Yeah. That's a lot of names. It's too many.

[Big Cat]

Too many names.

[Todd McShay]

Bell from Louisville, Brazil from Tennessee. And Branch. So then. And after. And watch out for Dejan Stribling from Ole Miss. So those four guys go in the second, but then you get to the third and you still got a bunch of dudes. You got Trey, Lance's younger brother from North Dakota State, you've got, you got Antonio Williams from Clemson and Dion Burks from, from Oklahoma. Jeremy Bernard from Alabama. Ted Hurst, who had an awesome Senior Bowl. Georgia State player, terrible team, but he's like six three plus runs in the four threes. Explosive. So the receivers are going to. It's going to be loaded in the top 100 the first three rounds.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Offensive tackles, there's just seven of them. That's why I went on those rants. So you better get one in the first. And I think they could all be gone in like the top 25, 28 picks. And so while Maui Noah is probably like the 11th or 12th best player in this draft, I think a team could take him as high as three in Arizona or six at Cleveland. Right? And then Spencer Fano from, from Utah, who started at left tackle as a freshman. 24 games at right tackle. Athletic guy. He's going to go. And then after that you've got Blake Miller, who's like 54 starts. Highest character, long, physical, strong. Mahler, right? Just consistent across the board. He's going to go. Monroe Freeling, just 18 starts, but just an absolute physical phenom from Georgia. He's going to go. Max Iheanacho is rising up boards. Nigerian born, comes to America at 13, plays basketball and soccer. AAU basketball star. Coaches like, dude, you look like a football player. He latches on to East LA Community College for a couple of years. The Fresno State offensive line coach sees him and is like, I want to bring him in, recruiting him. That guy gets hired by Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State and he said, we got to bring this young man in. Like five months later, he's starting games, doesn't even really know how to play. Two and a half years later, he's going to be a first round draft pick. It's an awesome story. So. And Caleb Loma, the other Utah offensive tackle. So there's going to be seven guys that go after that. There's not enough attempt tackle. You feel good about drafting in the, in the second round. So they're all going to get bumped up.

[Big Cat]

I love that. I like the, the like having a little scarcity in a position like that.

[Memes]

It is good. Yeah. So there'll be a run on those guys. I think Colin Coward said that, that the commanders are looking at taking a offensive tackle, which would be just absolutely insane if we did that.

[Todd McShay]

I haven't heard, I haven't heard that.

[Big Cat]

I mean, maybe.

[Todd McShay]

I'm not saying he's wrong. You could be sitting there with Jeremiah Low. I don't think Sonny Styles anymore. I think Styles could go. The Ohio State linebacker could go four to Tennessee, he could go five to the Giants. Right. And I don't see him getting past those two spots.

[Big Cat]

So.

[Todd McShay]

But Jeremiah Love could be sitting there or he winds up going. I think Washington could wind up maybe trading back would be a possibility to. They don't have a second round pick. And by the way, like, Bud, who's your, who's your wide receiver? Like, what's your wide receiver room look like? So if I'm sitting there and Styles is gone and Jeremiah Love's gone, don't I just kind of want to take Carnell Tate and put him with McLaurin? And now we, now we have some weapons, are we going to ruin Jaden Daniels?

[Max]

Like, what.

[Todd McShay]

You know what I mean?

[Memes]

You're forgetting about Luke McCaffrey. It's okay.

[Max]

It happens.

[Memes]

He was injured last year. But this is. Sounds like you forgot about Luke. You've got 400 names in your brain and, and zero of them were Jalen Lane.

[Todd McShay]

Is, is, is, is a guy. But we're talking threes and fours and fives. We're not talking about a number two in that new system with David Blouse coming in and he's looking for physical receiver like Carnel Tate sitting right there. That would be hard to pass up on.

[Memes]

No, you're right. I was just saying it was funny that Coward did it because he was doing the thing of like, oh, you have a young quarterback so you have to invest in protecting him when you just like we just extended Laramie Tunsil and drafted a tackle in the first round last year.

[Todd McShay]

Right.

[Memes]

But, but yeah, so I, I think that's going to be an interesting spot. I do think that we want to trade back ideally and, and get some more picks. But when you were going through the list of teams, like you were talking about the, the possibilities for Bane and you said 14 would be the latest, you could see him going. That was like a aha. Moment in my brain. And maybe it's just because we're, we're kind of used to dealing with this. Almost every draft where the Ravens get up and they take a guy and we're like, how did that guy end up falling to the Ravens?

[Todd McShay]

It's like this weird skill they have of just being patient. And you want to say lucky, but every year it seems like, oh, that guy is. Falls to him. He should have been taken 5, 7, 15 picks earlier.

[Memes]

Right. Like, Hamilton was the biggest, like, no. Of all time when he felt to them. And yeah, so they're at 14, the Steelers are at 21. So that one missed field goal, that's a big seven spots.

[Todd McShay]

Isn't that wild that that made up?

[Memes]

Yeah, but so I guess my question about Bane is, you know, we, I think we should talk a little bit about the arms. I know that I looked at the, at his wingspan too. His wingspan isn't that bad. It's just his arms. He's got like a wide chest and short arms, but I guess that doesn't really make so much of a difference when it comes to like getting guys off you. But how much of an impact do you think teams are, are taking into account the fact that he's got freakishly small arms?

[Todd McShay]

It varies from team to team and it varies from defensive line coach to defensive line coach and it varies from how much you factor in like analytics and in, in your, in your scouting department. Okay. The problem is as a general manager, you just don't want to draft a bunch of outliers. Right? Like the old parcel things like I'm have a roster full of outliers. But you would you watch the tape and you're like, I don't like. Yeah, occasionally I can see a short arm thing when he gets, you know, there's a 35 inch guy and he gets in the pads. But, but like how much did that show up in the College Football Playoff run? How much? Like he was phenomenal this past year and, and he's a leader and he's a tough guy and he sets a tone. And so you're kind of weighing all those things and from team to team it varies a little bit. But the teams that rely a lot on analytics and the GMs that are worried about outliers, like there is the, you go back 20 years, there's not a first round edge rusher who's been drafted with shorter than 31 inch arms. And there's not a guy, from my understanding, what I've read is there's not a guy who's been a double digit sack edge guy in the league in the last 20 years with sub 31 inch arms. So those are, those are scary, right? And it's not dissimilar from Ty Simpson's tape is awesome for nine games and you see all the NFL stuff he's doing. But give me the list of guys who draft who were drafting the first round at that position with sub 20 starts. And it's, it's ugly, right? So that's the whole thing with Ruben Bane. You know, he's a damn good football player. And there's going to be some teams that are just like, don't care, like bring him in. And I applaud them for that. I say 7 to 14. You know, just, just looking at it, I don't think Washington necessarily. I know Cleveland would like to take an offensive tackle, but could move out of that spot. So. So maybe it starts at 8 with. Maybe I should have said 8 to 14 with. But you look at it like the Saints could take him. They need that for, for Brendan Staley's defense. The Chiefs could take him. They need an edge rusher, but they also need an offensive tackle. They also need a wide receiver, so they also need a cornerback. You get down to, to 10 with Cincinnati, they could take him. Although I hear that's kind of the parachute for Caleb Downs, the safety from Ohio state. Miami at 11. I think they're probably going to go corner, but I would completely rule it out. Sitting at 12, you've got the Dallas Cowboys. So I don't think the Rams are taking him, but I think Baltimore could. So that's why. Let's go with 8 to 14, I'd say would be the range for Bane.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Todd, you know, I. We're football guys. Guys, we love football, but we're also not the smartest. So I try to make things as easy as possible. Do this for me. If I told you right now you had the pick between. You're taking a running back. You had the pick between Saquon Barkley, all coming out same age. Saquon Barkley, Bijon Robinson and Jeremiah Love. Oh, and Ashton Genti. Those four guys, can you rank those four guys? Because I'm the biggest Jeremiah Love guy. And I think he's kind of getting slept on. Even though he's going to go somewhere in the top five, maybe 10. Where would you rank that in terms of like, stud can't miss first round running backs?

[Todd McShay]

We've had the last when they were coming out of the draft.

[Big Cat]

When they were coming out. If you would draft them. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Saquon 1.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Bijan. Bijan to love 3.

[Big Cat]

Genti, how close is it between Love and Bijan?

[Todd McShay]

It's not a massive gap.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

I think I had like a 97 grade. I go back and double check, but I think it was like a 97 on Saquon, a 96 on. On. On Bijan and a 95 on Love.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

94. I think it was on. On Jinty. So it kind of just stacks like, you know, so not, not a massive difference. But I, I think like, Bijan was. Bijan just had a little bit more completeness. Bijan had a little. He's just like, I don't know, just a little bit more power, I think. But like, we're talking fractions here, right? I love watching Jeremiah Love. Like, it's almost. You can almost see the NFL films, right? Like, it's this sweetness about him where like every great back just put on like the NFL films music and watch. Right? There's this. It starts with like the, the sweet music with like the, the slaloming down the. The mountain. There's a spin move, you know, flipped in there. Then at the end it becomes just like rough tumble, you know, where they're like banging and guys are falling. There's like carnage everywhere. So what you get with him and then there's occasionally this run where they get a crease and they just go. But all of those backs, if you watch the NFL films too, they're catching swing passes, they're catching something. They're making one guy miss. And it's the same thing. Jeremiah Love Average 10.4 yards per catch, man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Like, you're getting. And like, let's not do the Christian McCaffrey thing with him because it's not what you're getting, but you're getting someone just like Bijan. Like, there's an extension to the run game and into the passing game that you get with him that makes him special. And so it's going to be tough. Like, if I'm sitting there and I'm Arizona and I. I've been saying this since just after the combine, there's a voice inside that Arizona building That's pushing hard for Jeremiah Love. I don't know if it's singular or if there's multiple, but don't rule out Arizona at three even though they brought in Tyler Algier. They've got Connor James Conner coming off the injury. They've got Benson. Don't rule that out. He's just the best player in the draft. Rule out 4 for. For Tennessee even though honestly I'm starting to hear more and more about could be the edge and also could be can we get our Fred Warner for this defense. But my pushback would be if I'm Mike Borgonzi at Tennessee is like. And if I'm Brian Dabel and I'm pitching for. For Jeremiah Love. Like, bro, what got you fired in New York?

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

And honestly, it's the same thing for day ball. Like the offenses. Right.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

And so are we going to do this again? Like, we'll get you a guy who can play that, that, that Fred Warner spot and. But like we've got. We got this young quarterback that needs easy pitch and catches. We need. We need to run the football now. We got two backs of him and Pollard. So that Mike borgonzi's decision at 4 is going to be really telling.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I am a dumb person. I don't consider myself to have like a high rate of accurate for a

[Todd McShay]

couple of dumb people. You guys get some really good bank accounts.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Well, that's. Yeah.

[Memes]

Across the world.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, there's a lot of really stupid people that are loaded. But when you look at like my track record when it comes to be like, I think that's a good pick. I think that's a bad pick. I'm throwing darts. I don't. I don't really know. I just go with what my balls tell me. And my balls are.

[Todd McShay]

Josh Allen was the greatest you guys ever had. We were.

[Memes]

We've been doing a victory lap on that for. For six years. But.

[Big Cat]

And it didn't start as a troll or anything like that.

[Memes]

No, not at all.

[Todd McShay]

No.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[Todd McShay]

I can tell. At the combo, the combine the first time I said you asked clowns at the combine. Just wearing people out. He's got a big arm.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Your entire profession, Todd. And then I was somehow getting right on all of it. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And I knew you guys well and it like through Dave and like the combine we did. And I'm just sitting there like, oh, man. They gave these guys credentials.

[Memes]

Right. Like, we're making fun of the entire industry. And then. And Then we were right about it through a troll. And then we took credit over the rest of the industry.

[Big Cat]

Your alarm's going off.

[Memes]

Yeah, we took credit over the industry based on the fact that we used your takes against you. Yeah, it's really a mind. But what I'm saying is, like, with the Cardinals, if they took love, I would, I would. My reaction would be like, that is the stupidest pick that they could make. Like, because the Cardinals have a, a laundry list of things that they need to take care of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[Todd McShay]

I don't disagree. Like, the ra. The Raiders. The Raiders were premature in taking Ashton Ginty, but, like, this year we may see Genty just take off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Giants with Saquon. Like, Saquon was never a bad player. It's just like, you can't. When you have that many holes to fill. Drafting a running back is just not

[Todd McShay]

what, it's more of a luxury or it has to fit, like, where you are as an organization. I don't disagree. And you only got, Honestly, if you're going to draft one high, you better have, you better be ready to get production out of him for the next five years because chances are like, you'd much rather get him at this contract than have to pay him that second one, right? So I'm squeezing the juice out of a running back if I'm taking them that high. And so if we're not going to make a run in the next five years, then what. What are we doing?

[Zach]

You know?

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah. So with, with the second pick, the jets, there were a lot of indications they were looking at Bailey. They canceled their meeting with Bailey, who's going to come up and visit. I don't know if that's a story weird, man.

[Todd McShay]

I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. I, I, My gut tells me don't make a lot of it, but I also, my experience tells me that it's just different. So I don't like different this time of year. And my, my experience also tells me, like, and I confirmed it. Like, they, they canceled it. You know, she's like, we got all the information we needed from, from our trip to Lubbock and sent all the brass down there. I, and I get that. And honestly, like, half of me is like, don't read anything into it. Who cares? You know? The other half is like, well, then why'd you schedule it? And, and, and if he is the pick, wouldn't you want it? Like, I don't care. Bring him in get to know him a little, little bit better. You should want to the facilities. Let's talk scheme. Let's get you on the board a little bit more. Let's go through some stuff that we're going to. Let's give you a playbook like Mendoza has been working with with Brian Greasy preparing him for the Raiders. Like it's an unofficial role that Brian Greasy's in who I've obviously worked with for several, several years at ESPN. He was the quarterback coach for the San Francisco 49ers. Excuse me. Long history with the Shanahans and Kubiax. Right. So like it's unofficial but we're, we're reading, we're getting and quarterbacks different from Edge. I get it. But wouldn't you just want a day with the guy that you're planning on drafting, like no matter what the circumstance?

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[Todd McShay]

It just that one felt a little weird and I've had conversations and I know as of this past weekend it wasn't done. It was a heavy lean to Bailey. The sense was okay, but. But it wasn't done. And there were more meetings on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and, and there was this element of as everyone said across the league, if you draft Arvella Reese, you better have a plan with your coordinator. Well, the coordinator there is the head coach and A.J. aaron Glenn. And so maybe as they put their final touches on everything, it's hey, GM thinks Bailey's a slightly higher grade, but if we've got a perfect plan for, for Arvel Reese, he's got a higher upside. Let's, let's take it. And we're not trying to win. We're trying to win just enough games to keep our jobs and keep everyone happy in 2026. But not too many games where we can't go get the number one overall quarterback with the three first round picks.

[Big Cat]

So. Right.

[Todd McShay]

It's going to be fascinating to see what they do and honestly for me it's going to be fascinating to see if we get that information before like Wednesday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So my, my thought was that they canceled the meeting because you only get a certain amount of visits and the jets pick again in the first round. They've got a lot of picks so they want to maximize the number of guys that they could bring.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, but it was the last day. Wasn't that the last day of 30 visits?

[Memes]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I don't think it was.

[Memes]

Schedule works.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. I don't think they like reading too. I'm not Reading too much into it. I'm just, I don't like things that aren't that we don't have experience with this time of year. I just don't like them. And that's one I can't remember. Like a high a team drafting two with the opportunity to bring in the player that is. Let's call it 50. 50. Why would you turn that opportunity down? I don't know. I'm sure they have a really good reason. I'm sure it's not a big deal. That's all the reports that are coming out. So like I'm probably reading too. I'm not even reading too much into it. It's just like. Huh, interesting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Meme. So Memes is a Jets fan. What, what's your reaction to the, the visit thing?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm with you guys. Like if he's gonna live there, might as well, you know, show him around. Show him his home.

[Todd McShay]

Right.

[Memes]

If you like him. Yeah. You should want to spend an extra day with him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like give him the.

[Memes]

Get used to it.

[Big Cat]

You also just use every visit because you never know when a guy becomes a free agent or he's on a trademark. It's like you just have more information. I just don't know why you wouldn't use more information. Like it's free information. So that's part's confusing to me.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. And if they chose another player that they're. They're trying to get last minute information on because it just like I could, I can see that. I just don't know that information yet. And I probably, maybe I won't know until after the draft. I'll find out eventually. But I'm just curious. It's just interesting. You.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Can we talk quarterbacks real quick? So Fernando Mendoza is going one to the Raiders. Everyone knows that Ty Simpson feels like the second quarterback is. Was it close for you at all or was it always easy? Fernando Mendoza is the.

[Todd McShay]

Is November, November 1st. Honestly I thought that we had a real situation on our hand with Dante Moore, Mendoza and Simpson. The best tape of the three come. Like I don't, I don't want to put a specific date, but around Halloween, November 1st was, was Simpson. Brent Venables came to town at one point and kind of laid out a blueprint for how to beat their protection, which was a little inconsistent and was gettable. And from that point on protection wasn't great. Bear Bryant would throw up in his grave if he knew that they, they ranked 125th in the in the nation in rushing there. Remember like you look at Ryan Williams coming out. It was ryan Williams like 1B to Jeremiah Smith, 1A in that recruiting class. He just disappeared. Now it's, and now it's Jeremiah Coleman Williams. So, and, and, and because of all the hits and because everything that happened, his body, Ty Simpson's just started breaking down. By the time they got to the rose bowl he's 190 pounds with gastritis. And so I don't like excuses and I hate outliers and I hate the 15 starts. But I'm telling you the tape because Mendoza was playing these games and the moments were awesome. Yeah, but before the moments was three and a half or three plus quarters of yeah, there's some good stuff, but this isn't first overall pick stuff. And then there's an interception in Iowa. There's an interception, I think a pick six in Oregon. There's an interception. All fourth quarter stuff where it's like what? Like he hasn't played great. Now there's a pick in the fourth quarter against Penn State was the third one. But, but then the moment and then you go back and talking to like a couple quarterback coaches and a head coach in the league, it's like look at his third down stuff, man. Look at his red zone stuff. I think it's 28 touchdowns, no interceptions. Look, look at his fourth quarter game on the line stuff. And I wasn't all in on Mendoza until Ohio State and I've heard you know like Orlovsky's like I'm closer to Orlovsky than a lot of people on Ty Simpson. Yeah, I'm not quite that far but, but I also like I didn't appreciate the Mendoza stuff. Like that Ohio State tape, if you're just being non biased was awesome. It was the Caden, the Caden hit early on. A few plays later he's back in like no effects. It's movement, it's, it's off platform, it's drilling strikes everywhere. Like they were hitting him after hit and they didn't talk about that. The other Caden hit in the, in the end zone where his helmet hits the turf and like he just pops right back like this guy is tough as freaking nails. He is, he's accurate. He's so. I, I, I really like Mendoza. Is he Caleb Williams?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Todd McShay]

Is he Jaden Daniels? No. Is he Drake May? No. I've got a similar grade with him and Cam Ward for very different reasons. But, but yeah, I understand the pick totally. And I'm like would stamp it all day long for the. The Raiders at one point. But Ty Simpson at one point, honestly had the best tape. But that doesn't erase the 15 starts and everything else and the finish that he had to the season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I love Ty Simpson. I thought he was awesome to start the season. By the way, just so you know, Todd, what happened was my mic. My. My mic stand just broke. And I. I think, like, maybe two episodes ago or two days ago, I said to Hank and to Max, who both conveniently aren't here right now, uh, can we get my mic stand fixed? You know, again, I. I don't think we're divas. I think we're pretty, like, memes. Maybe you could back us up. Like, we're for number one sports podcast. We're not. Big ego. Guys, my mic stand is broken, and it just fell into my lap. I just asked if I could get it. I'm with you. Not fixed. I'm with you.

[Todd McShay]

Like, I. I've gotten to the point in my career where, like, I used to, like, be, like, not meek, but, like, we'll talk about this after. After the show, we'll have a meet. Like, you know, now I'm just like, if. If you're not gonna get something done, which that's so obvious and so easy, I'm gonna blast you on the show.

[Big Cat]

Look at this. Look at this. Watch. I'm gonna. I'm gonna let go my hand. There you go. And that.

[Todd McShay]

And that. Big Cat's mic.

[Big Cat]

So when Big Cat brought it up

[Memes]

the other day, Hank and Max were like, why do you need a new mic stand for?

[Big Cat]

I'm just gonna do, like, the rest of the interview like this. I'm also gonna fire off a text saying, hey, Max and Hank, remember when you said we can't remodel? My mic just fell in my lap in the middle of an interview. You faces.

[Todd McShay]

Okay, and we're running it.

[Memes]

We're.

[Todd McShay]

We're running it.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Todd McShay]

It wasn't live. We're taping this, but this.

[Memes]

This is.

[Todd McShay]

This is going on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, absolutely. So. So. All right. I. I agree with Ty Simpson. I agree with. I mean, the moments are.

[Todd McShay]

I hear Ty Simpson's definitive round one now.

[Memes]

Okay, okay. So who. Where could you see him going?

[Todd McShay]

So I. I keep. I was told around the combine, like, by someone I've learned. Learned to trust, there's a team. No one's really talking about, or I forget the exact wording, but, like, there's a team out there. And I don't know since then to now We've been talking about that team. I don't, I didn't drill in, but, like, there's a team that, that could be Ty Simpson. I've heard again that there's something like that. But I also, I think at the very least Arizona knows has to go up and get him ahead of 33. So I'm told. And it's not like Melro last year. Melro was happy to be there for the second round, and it just.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Todd McShay]

I don't think Ty's showing up to be the next Aaron Rodgers. I love your mic, man. Yeah, it's just a big fu to everyone. He doesn't want Will Levis, like, so I, I you to accept that invite. First of all, for the league to offer him that invite and then for him to accept it, there's got to be information there that, that he's going around one. And I'm getting that same information. So that'll, that'll be fun to watch on the first night.

[Memes]

You're saying that you're hearing about a team. Are you hearing about a team that is going to move back into the first round to get them at the end, or are you hearing a team

[Todd McShay]

don't know that there's like, just. And maybe it's one of these teams. I don't have any more than that. But, like, it may not just be the Cardinals. Like, I don't, I actually don't think, I think the jets, if they're sitting there at 33, will be like, all right, we got four picks in the top 44. Let's take a hack here. Yeah, but I don't think that they're going to get aggressive, but I could be wrong. Maybe that's the table. I'm just saying there's some information now that if you're looking at this thing, like, is he going round one where I feel stronger about it now than I have in a while.

[Big Cat]

And how would you, how would you see the, let's say, top five quarterbacks, the order that they. Not what you have them ranked, but what you think they're going to go.

[Todd McShay]

Let's start with how I have them ranked.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, it's, it's Mendoza 1, Simpson 2, Nuss Meyer 3, Cole Payton 4. And then quite honestly, if I get the right situation with some time and patience and the right guy to coach him, I would, I would take Taylor Green. I just, I'm intrigued by the upside because I don't think Carson Beck's a starter. I'm damn sure Drew allers not a starter and I'll live on that hill. That's fine. How I think, how I think they could come off the board. I think Mendoza, we know Mendoza. One, Simpson's going to be two. It's going to be some combination of Nussmeier, Beck, Aller.

[Big Cat]

So you're the, so your way. You're very different than what is going to actually happen. Yeah, I like that.

[Memes]

What do you think about Nussy, about Nussmar? Because I, the more I, I think about him as an NFL prospect, I feel like it's worth taking a shot on him because he was clear.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. It just like and, and, and they're like even like the, like the National Scouting Service I think had him like the number one overall. And I'm not putting weighted. I'm just saying like he was like viewed and myself included. Like I, I just the way he carries himself, the football knowledge, his instincts in the pocket. Got to see him like the way just how he was the Manning passing academy and like he's kind of like that guy. And then watching him, watching him on the field of the Senior bowl, like he sees things. I'm like damn. How do you see that? You know. But injuries undersized doesn't have a big like Ty Simpson. It turned out this year became what I thought Nuss Meyer was going to become this year. Very similar foot football's in their, in their cribs, around ball, their whole life lives. You know. Simpson's dad's a 20 year head coach at UT.

[Big Cat]

Martin.

[Todd McShay]

Nuss Meyer's dad's an NFL quarterback, you know, and quarterback coach and now OC for the Saints. They just know ball and they, they like, they can walk in right away and like hit the ground running. But Ty Simpson's more mobile. Ty Simpson, Ty Simpson has, has more juice on the ball. But I watched Nussmeier and he just, he's not, he doesn't have the same juice that Baker Mayfield has and I wish he did. But the way like his aggressive style, the decisiveness, like sometimes it's like you're making mistakes because you're so aggressive. But I just, I, I don't know. You give me Nussmeyer in the third round man put, put him in like Leflore, McDaniel, Shanahan, McVeigh. Like I just, I. It's worth the shot there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

By the way, I don't think Carson Beck, I think he's going to be a good backup, but I don't trust him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Can't hit A receiver that runs away from him. What? Like, so, like, we got to get some visualization stuff. We got a lot of footwork to do. I'm not saying he can't be. And I talk about, like, Aller's a big, strong arm, strong kid, ultra competitive. Just love that about him. Won a lot of games, taught, like, all those things. And he, but he's just, he's not mobile in the pocket, and he really struggles to throw the ball, to receive. Like, even his backs on, like, you know, safety routes, he can't. He's just misses so many throws.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, we should say that if you're listening to this right now, you should trust Todd McShade. Not that you don't already, but as a reminder, last year, he told us about our favorite quarterback out of last year's class, Tyler Schuck. Before anyone else, we became the biggest shuck fans of all time. Like, we laddered his yards every single Sunday for the last five weeks. And we would just, we'd put it on the main tv, like, the main TV in the gambling cave, and we would just get, get all shucked up and be, like, all in on him. So you told us first.

[Todd McShay]

I just love shuck, man. And he's such a, just a dude. He's been through so much. Getting to know his story. He thought football was taken away from him. Like, he, he was, he was in the recruiting class with, with, with, with, with Lawrence and those guys. Like, Trevor Lawrence. Like, he had been through so much that, like, nothing was going to affect him. He's tall, he's mobile, he can throw it. Like, I'm excited to see what happens. They need, they need to get him some weapons, but I'm excited to see what happens with him.

[Big Cat]

Such a catchable ball.

[Memes]

He's gonna get a boat, too.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then that's gonna unlock him to the next level big time. Yeah. No question. No, he's pumped about that.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Hank was in love with Diego Pavia because he saw him at Gruden's quarterback camp, which I'll defend. Hank, it's easy to fall in love with any guy on Gruden's quarterback.

[Todd McShay]

Oh, my gosh. Because she's a recent one with Taylor Green. The.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Is the best man.

[Memes]

What am I looking at right here, man? 11.2 broad jump, man. That's, that's wild. Yeah, I, I, I fall in love with anybody that Guden talks to, but with Pavi in particular, Hank was like, you know, I, I wouldn't mind The Patriots picking him up as a backup quarterback, maybe as a third and six specialist they can sub him on and take off.

[Todd McShay]

But could you imagine taking Drake May off the field for Diego Pop?

[Big Cat]

Makes sense. Oh yeah. PFD's got all the numbers.

[Memes]

Statistically. Yeah. Drake May is the worst quarterback in the NFL in terms of completion percentage on third and exactly six.

[Big Cat]

Exactly six, exactly.

[Memes]

Third and seven. He's awesome. Third and eight. He's like one of the best. Third and six. He just sucks. But how do you feel about Pavia? Like, could Pavia. Will there be a team that decides to take a flyer on him late in the draft?

[Todd McShay]

I mean, maybe, but I, I would guess undrafted free agent, but could be like seventh round. Yeah, I mean he's, he's had a handful of like 30 visits. What's, what's crazy about Pavia is like you sit there at the Senior Bowl. I mean, I've watched his tape. I know like every, like the ins and outs of everything. You watch him at the Senior bowl and it's like five guys look like it and one doesn't, you know, like the ball doesn't jump off. Like he just doesn't. It looks like he was. He's the misfit.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Then you get in like red zone in certain situations and he's, he's moving the offense. It doesn't look pretty at all. But. So like, yeah, he'll get a shot. He'll get a shot. And whether it's seven, six, seventh round or free, undrafted free agent. But it's a long shot, you know, it's a long shot. It's just a lot to overcome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. What about the reverse Pavia in that. What is your number one physical freak of nature where maybe it's not, maybe it's not a first rounder, maybe it's not a guy that is going to have a great career. But you just. He's going to get drafted because what he does physically, speed, strength, whatever it may be, is so far off the charts. I just love hearing about those guys because it always blows my mind.

[Todd McShay]

I'm trying to look up. I hope I have the numbers here. This interior defensive line lineman. Conga. Look him up.

[Big Cat]

Hold on.

[Todd McShay]

Let's, let's. Yeah, let's do this the right way.

[Memes]

Conga line. That's what I'm googling right now.

[Big Cat]

It's gonna work. I can't believe this. Mic. This is. And both them not here. Okay. What's his first name? Do we know?

[Todd McShay]

Renee. R E N E R E, N,

[Memes]

E. That's a red flag. I'm just gonna say, like, that's a personal red flag.

[Big Cat]

Just having a girl name.

[Memes]

Girl's name? Yeah, like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers. 6.

[Todd McShay]

Aaron, 6 4.

[Memes]

Wimp.

[Todd McShay]

6 4. Late late March pro day at Louisville. 6 4, 300 pounds, Canadian standout. I kind of like Canadians on the defensive line. They're crazy. I want my defensive linemen to be crazy. And Canadians are like, you know, they're kooky, man. They're not, right?

[Memes]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

10, 10 2. This is a 300 pounder 102 broad jump.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

37 inch vertical.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Ran the 40 and a half 464 to 475 range.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

That's stupid.

[Todd McShay]

Renee Conga. So like when this guy gets drafted, he wasn't at the combine and all of a sudden I get the. These couple texts and I'm like, wait, what? And so now I got to confirm it. Like, yeah, that's what, you know, we had him in this range and he had a 10, 2 and a 30. Like, that's not. That's not human, you know.

[Big Cat]

300 pounds. Yeah. Running.

[Todd McShay]

And I watched his tape and there's

[Big Cat]

a lot of flashes.

[Todd McShay]

He's explosive and like, yeah, he gets pushed around certain. Certain situations, but like, just give me 10, 15 snaps and develop this guy. So when Renee Conga gets drafted on day three, you have a little bit of background on this. He's just. He's not. He's not normal.

[Big Cat]

I love that. I love that. Okay, Todd, I got one last question. It's The Roback question. RH, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. What team is going to be that you're hearing is going to be the like, hey, let's mess up the first round team. Whether it be trade or they're going to pick something that might domino everyone else. Are there a couple teams maybe that fall under that category where it's like, yeah, this is. These are the, these are the spots where like. And these are the teams that could just kind of throw everything into a tizzy when we watch on Thursday night.

[Todd McShay]

I'm intrigued with Kansas City and I don't think it fits exactly what you're saying. But as you're sitting there trying to do a mock draft and trying to like, all right, here are the 11 guys that belong in the first three, 13 picks, right? I don't know. They're going to Go outside of that 11 at pick nine. But they're picking at nine for a reason. And we're not used to that with the Chiefs. Brett Veaches and I, you know, I did some preseason games with the Chiefs. Like, Brett Veach is great at what he does. Like, he has an eye for it and. But he also is great at, like, you know, like, and. And. And also, I don't know on purpose or how, but there's always, like, right around this time and all of a sudden, like, Schrager's like, Like, it's.

[Memes]

It's.

[Todd McShay]

It's Jordan Tyson, right? You know, and other people, like, they keep an eye on. On Kenyan Sadiq and guys who haven't, like, been in and those guys, like, yeah, it wouldn't be shocking if they went nine, but why is that messaging coming out now, right? And I look at the roster and I'm like, we need another tackle. We just got rid of two corners. I think, yeah, we're going to scheme them up with spags and all that, but we need a corner. They need an edge. They need a wide receiver. They could use a tight end to develop. So, like, they. And then you're hearing a lot of reports about that maybe they package these picks and move up. And I'm like, like, they're not in a position to do that. They've. They've got, if anything, move back. So I think the Chiefs are going to be fascinating with that pick because I think a lot of people think they know what's going to happen at nine and nothing will. If it's Ruben Bane, I'm not surprised. If it's Jordan Tyson, not surprised. Kenyan Sadiq, not surprised. If it's. If it's Maui Noah because he fell, or Spencer Fano with the ties with Andy Reid and the family and the coach, like, I'm not surprised. So there. But what they do kind of sets up, all right, what corners are still on the board. Is there an edge still on the board for Cincy? Because right there, right now, you've got this run of a 10, 11, 12 that all kind of need the same thing. They need defensive players. It's Cincinnati. They need a corner, but could take downs. They need an edge. Obviously, you've got at 11. Miami, they need everything, man. They've got like, you know, and then you get the cowboys sitting at 12 if they don't trade up. And they need the same things. Corner, edge. So that nine pick is going to be kind of a trigger point.

[Big Cat]

I like that. There's no way Jeremiah Love falls to the Chiefs. Right?

[Todd McShay]

There's a way.

[Big Cat]

That would fucking piss me off. I don't.

[Todd McShay]

I would have to say the floor is Washington. Yeah, but if Washington were to trip, who would trade up with them? The. The Jets. If Washington doesn't pick there, yeah, it would be shocking. But. But I also been told I just saw this other information that's coming out of Kansas. Kansas City is just like, here, come sit down in our draft room and look at our board. It seems like everyone's got the answers to Kansas City, but all the things are different. Different. Everyone is telling you Jordan Tyson's really high in the board. Hey, watch out for Kenyon Siddiq. They could take an offensive tackle. Thano, with the. The background and Andy Reid and. And. And. And now people are saying, but they could trade up, but I don't believe any of that. And then people are saying, if Jordan Love is there, I can tell you they would absolutely consider taking Jordan Love at pick number nine.

[Big Cat]

Jeremiah. I don't think he's gonna.

[Todd McShay]

Jeremiah Love.

[Big Cat]

Sorry.

[Todd McShay]

So, yeah, they're. They're fascinating.

[Big Cat]

I love Kenyan Sadiq, by the way. He's an absolute.

[Memes]

He seems like he pissed me off, too. He seems like the guy that is gonna get picked and. And maybe have the highest likelihood of being a Pro Bowl.

[Todd McShay]

I can't watch this big cat.

[Big Cat]

I'm trying. I'm intentionally trying to make it as ridiculous as possible.

[Todd McShay]

You're killing it.

[Big Cat]

Just.

[Memes]

Just to rub it in Hank's face.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, look at that.

[Memes]

Yeah, he's. He's hoping that.

[Big Cat]

Wait, hold on.

[Memes]

This clip.

[Big Cat]

What did you say?

[Memes]

I. I. Hank should be watching this clip right now. And Hank should be very, very embarrassed about what he's putting us through. It's disgusting.

[Big Cat]

Max is on his. His. His first bachelor party right now, and I sent that text, which I do feel a little bad about.

[Todd McShay]

I promise you, you will have a new mic.

[Memes]

His first bachelor party. Hours, not days. Hours. Max is hammered right now. It's 10am and he just sobered up real fast.

[Big Cat]

Seeing that text.

[Todd McShay]

He's drinking water.

[Memes]

Iving it. Yeah, I'll call you back. I'll call back in three hours. Give me three hours and we'll talk.

[Todd McShay]

He's got an IV in his arm.

[Memes]

Yeah, I. I do think that whoever is picking, like, in the 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 range, like, there's going to be some really good players that are available at that spot. That feels like a great spot to be in. I just don't.

[Todd McShay]

Our team's gonna. Their team's gonna panic and take. Not panic. Our teams like Arizona and Cleveland gonna take a tackle because. Because of the run that I told you. When it's. When it's out, it's out.

[Max]

And.

[Todd McShay]

And Arizona picks at what, 34. Like, if you're not getting one there, you're not getting one. So are they going to trade back and get a better value and get an additional pick? Which is what they want to do, but they got to get someone to trade up Cleveland, the same deal. Are they going to. Or are they just going to stick and pick offensive tackles? Because if they do, I mean, let's say Bailey goes too. Now all of a sudden you got Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles and.

[Big Cat]

My mic.

[Todd McShay]

I know. And how am I supposed to be serious?

[Big Cat]

Walking.

[Todd McShay]

Walking through the pool board is. You're deep throating your mic. Jeremiah Love, Sonny Styles can do that any episode.

[Memes]

Like, the mic's always there. But the fact that he's got it in his hands, he's like, yeah, I gotta.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I'm done. I can't. To your point, some really good players could fall. And the way. The way it had. The way it happens.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Is if two offensive tackles go in the top six or even one of them, because that's going to bump people down.

[Big Cat]

Last question. Zach, do you want to ask a question about the Bucks?

[Zach]

Quick? What's going on, man? Hope you're doing well this morning. Quick question. I was curious, what position do you think would be most effective? We pick up a guy that would make the biggest difference in this upcoming season.

[Big Cat]

Good question, Zach.

[Todd McShay]

Nice job, Zach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, way to go, Zach.

[Todd McShay]

Concise, confident. I like edge rusher there. I really do. I think I. Akeem Messador. I keep going back to that one. Like, can we get Bulls an edge rusher that can get there. Diaby. And obviously, like, they're just. They're aging on that defense and they've got to get younger. They got to get faster. Messador's 25, but he's. But that's younger than.

[Big Cat]

So I just.

[Todd McShay]

I. I like that fit there. I also, if I'm Tampa Bay, I've got a few needs and we got some more roster turnover than. Than I'd like. If you can move back, I think that that would be. That would be ideal. But Akeem Messador out of Miami would be the guy that I'd circle for now.

[Zach]

Okay. So if we get young, we get aggressive, could be in a decent spot moving forward.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. Like Bulls is.

[Memes]

He's.

[Todd McShay]

He Likes to, he likes to, you know, blitz like 30 plus percent of the time. And so I'd like to blitz a little less and put a little less strain. I'd like to have a guy who can just get home. So that, that's why that fit makes a lot of sense to me. But I'm, you know, you look at Tampa Bay, they pick it. Let's see here, they pick at 15, 46 and 77. I've got a, I've got a real serious needed edge. I'd like to upgrade corner. I need another linebacker for obvious reasons. I'd like to have a difference maker. Tight end, another tight end. I think interior defensive line getting young there. So that's a lot of positions, man. That's a lot of positions that we're talking about. And, and I, and I get it, but we just lost Mike Evans and we drafted a first round receiver. But I, I'd like to, in round three or four get a wide receiver too. So if they get an opportunity to trade out of 15 and they take it, I would be, I'd be pumped if I were you.

[Big Cat]

You know, There you go, Zach.

[Zach]

That's good info. I appreciate that.

[Todd McShay]

My son Tate is a huge Buccaneers fan, so I'm, I stay on top of, of them as much as, you know, I've got to make sure I'm got him covered, you know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Todd, you're the absolute best. We love having you on. Let's hope we don't. Right now it's hurting. Let's hope. A crying video of you on Sun Saturday. I don't want that to happen.

[Memes]

I know that would be awful.

[Todd McShay]

So there's.

[Memes]

I don't think anybody wants to see that.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, there's like 141 picks. It's 100 picks exactly this year in the first three rounds. Then I think there's like, let's call it like 140. Right around 140. If we get to pick one. 30.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Mark it down. Remind because I'm going to be kind of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, no, you'll be all over the place.

[Todd McShay]

Shoot me a text and be like, he wasn't drafted by 130. I will stop what I'm doing and I will make a video and Are you gonna be.

[Big Cat]

Are you gonna be live, right? Are you gonna be live?

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, live on Netflix Thursday night. Live on Netflix Friday night. Come check us out. Yeah, I'm over the like, so and so was picked and let me give you 90 seconds with B roll. And yeah, he doesn't fit in the National Football League. Like, come watch a fun show, man. Thursday night. Friday night, Netflix.

[Big Cat]

We.

[Todd McShay]

We'll be on.

[Big Cat]

And then what about Saturday? Saturday's just gonna. You're.

[Todd McShay]

Saturday, we're gonna. We're gonna do. We're gonna do a bunch of, like, social stuff, and then we're gonna do a review in the, like, the fifth, sixth round. And. And so we'll put out a show there. I don't. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so Saturday, we'll. I'll text you, and you'll have to. You'll have.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, we'll go back and forth, and at 1:30, if he's not off the board, pick 1:30, I'm gonna. You will see my true emotions.

[Memes]

Okay, Todd, I got one last question for you. So at the very end of the draft, we have two consecutive Broncos picks back to back at 2. 56 and 2 57.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's fun.

[Memes]

That's kind of fun. Because then Sean Payton gets to decide, like, which one of these guys do I want to be? Mr.

[Todd McShay]

Relevant.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Even though I got, like, it's. It's the same pick, but he gets to choose which one goes first. Todd, you are a. A Richmond Spider. I. I will make a donation to the richmond spiders in IL. If you can predict who Mr. Irrelevant is going to be, anyone can say, I think he gets two shots

[Big Cat]

in it, too, because of the Broncos.

[Memes]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we'll give you two shots. But anyone can say who's gonna be the first pick. But it takes a real draft expert to correctly pick the last pick in the draft.

[Todd McShay]

All right, let's pull up the board.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because two shots is fair, because the Broncos could be, like, just trying to mess with us, where it's like, they had this guy there was definitely gonna be Mr. Relevant, but they're like, nah, let's just.

[Memes]

I would rather be Mr. Second to Last Bit. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'd rather be undrafted. If you actually know how the league works.

[Memes]

That way I get to pick my spot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, exactly. That's just.

[Todd McShay]

All right, so it's.

[Memes]

Huh.

[Big Cat]

And also chip on my shoulder, and

[Memes]

then I get to wear number 32.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Being on draft, everybody pass.

[Todd McShay]

Moving this over. I'm gonna. I'm gonna nail this.

[Memes]

I'd probably still pick the Broncos, but, yeah, I'd rather go on my terms.

[Todd McShay]

So the Broncos last two picks.

[Memes]

This board is a huge, massive.

[Todd McShay]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Really important stuff.

[Todd McShay]

I'm sorting through my thing.

[Max]

I don't.

[Todd McShay]

I don't take this lightly.

[Big Cat]

This is crazy. How many. How Many. How many tabs? You got your little analytics. You can't. A spreadsheet, Todd.

[Todd McShay]

Player. 250.

[Memes]

What is it?

[Todd McShay]

256 and 257.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you got it. All right.

[Memes]

All right.

[Todd McShay]

I'm gonna go.

[Big Cat]

This is crazy.

[Todd McShay]

I'm going to go.

[Big Cat]

By the way, thank God. Just before you answer, thank God you made a living out of this because otherwise you'd be a fucking loser.

[Todd McShay]

Oh, my God. No idea.

[Big Cat]

Because like I like the mock drafts and guys who do like a couple rounds.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But if you got all seven and you don't, you don't get paid for it. It's tough. It's tough to grapple with.

[Todd McShay]

I'm going to go David Gusta.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Interior defensive lineman from Kentucky and RJ Maryland, although I think he could go a little bit higher.

[Big Cat]

He seems like more like 245. Yeah.

[Memes]

At 252 actually in my mock draft.

[Todd McShay]

Let's go. David Gusta. I like that one.

[Big Cat]

I love that one.

[Todd McShay]

But I want to get. Let's give him a joker with one of those two. Last bit, you know, let's give him.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah,

[Todd McShay]

I'm taking. I'm not messing around with this.

[Memes]

No, you thought like, I don't know if Maryland fits in that system.

[Big Cat]

He's approaching his spreadsheet. He's pulling up the seventh round tab. He's about to make the last selection of the draft. Can you pull it off?

[Todd McShay]

I'm gonna go with Jaren Canik.

[Big Cat]

Oh, and he's done it.

[Todd McShay]

Former linebacker. Linebacker that went into coach's office in the off season. Said, I just want to contribute to this team. He's a Metallica dude. Jim Nagy called me about this guy and was like, you would love him. He's a throwback. He moves over to tight end. Comes out early in the season against Michigan. Has that long over route, catches. It runs away. I think can. I'd like to see him go earlier, but Jaren Canik, I would. I could see Denver bringing in as. As kind of like that versatile pass catching weapon and a guy who's just kind of learning how to play tight end.

[Memes]

Tight end from Oklahoma. Cannock or. Who's the other guy?

[Big Cat]

David Gusta.

[Memes]

Dave.

[Todd McShay]

Interior defensive lineman from Kentucky.

[Big Cat]

All right, all right.

[Memes]

Big shot.

[Todd McShay]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Todd, you're the best. If you, if you get those right, we'll.

[Todd McShay]

How much do the. To the Spiders? Nil.

[Memes]

Well, I didn't say a number. That was the trick. I just said I will make a.

[Big Cat]

But whatever number he gives, I'LL I'll match.

[Todd McShay]

You'll match. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

Yeah, you know what? I'll take. I'll take whatever. Whatever number he wears in the NFL. I will multiply that by a hundred.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. I'm out. I gotta. I gotta. I gotta do Wisconsin nil. What if he gets 86? Dude. Dude.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah. That's a lot of money. He's not gonna take 86.

[Big Cat]

The tight end.

[Memes]

Tight ends all want to wear number seven. They want to wear number 11, interior defensive lineman. These new. They just want to wear number one.

[Big Cat]

Actually, you know what, though? Would it be if we gave 10 grand to Richmond? Do we own the school? Oh, get out of here.

[Todd McShay]

You guys are so insulting.

[Big Cat]

Joke. We get to name our quarterback. Try. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Try a couple idiots. Try getting into rich Richmond.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Your dollar.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Probably not. All right, Todd, you're the best.

[Todd McShay]

I appreciate it, guys. This is always fun. I love doing this.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

gonna wrap up the show real quick. Two quick things. We went to Cubs Mets on Saturday. Memes, Zach and I and Eddie. Zach is a star. I don't think you guys. I think everyone knows, but you don't fully know until you get out in the public. I took a picture for Zach and a fan. Zach was getting memes. You were out with him later that night. He was. Was he fame mogging Alec Pierce?

[Memes]

Yeah, we were.

[Big Cat]

We were at a bar in Wrigley and couple awls came up and we're

[Memes]

like, oh, hey, that's Alec Pierce over there.

[Big Cat]

But, like, we get a picture with you guys. So love that grab picture with Zach and Al. Pierce was just staring at us being like, I'm the NFL player. Did he know Zach? No, didn't know Zach.

[Memes]

But Zach does now. Yeah, he does.

[Zach]

We have a lot of fun. Rigley's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Zach. Two things that I noticed from Zach. One, dominated the jumbotron. The. The. The ball in hat game. Oh, dominated it. The. The boat race. Dominated it.

[Memes]

Did you get the ball? Will it stop on the mound?

[Zach]

No, we just got hit with the helmet shuffle bow race. But beginners luck, though. First time at the stadium.

[Big Cat]

And then also, Zach is a really good conversationalist. Yeah, he was asking me a bunch of questions and then even said he's like, am I? If I'm talking too much, let me know. I was like, zach, what are you talking about, dude?

[Memes]

Questions are we talking about?

[Big Cat]

He's asked me to put him onto a Cubs player. Put him on mo baller, who's like 5, 8, 2. He's lost a little ways, like 215.

[Zach]

It's a good build.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Mo baller's legit. Put him onto him. He was asking all kinds of questions. Knowledgeable guys.

[Hank]

Zach being my desk partners has positively, like, affected my life for the better for the last year.

[Memes]

Yeah, Zach's the man. Yeah, he's. He's actually maybe the easiest hang that we've got by far. Yeah. He's.

[Big Cat]

He's a star and rightfully so. And then. Yeah. The Mets are. I. I think we. I think we've seen enough to be. We can say Frank was right. They've lost 11 in a row.

[Memes]

Are they done? Memes.

[Big Cat]

They're done for now.

[Hank]

Damn.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The manager Mendoza, like that was. They had extra innings. PCA was on third with one out. Nico Horner, who's playing out of his mind. Good. Right now. And they didn't walk him. And he said afterwards that he. For Michael Bush who's like hitting like 180 right now. He said that he didn't want to want Nico Horner. Horner to potentially take second base.

[Memes]

Okay. But that's not. That's not the main concern at that point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The really good hitter.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Getting a ball in the air, which he did in PCA scoring versus the guy who's struggling at the plate and potentially getting a inning ending double play.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Hank]

We also just need to not let one run in.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. Second base doesn't matter, right?

[Big Cat]

Correct. Walk the base is load if you want to. Although Bregman would have been up but. And then memes real quick. So everyone's go watch our golf video on the part. My take YouTube memes. You're getting roasted. But it's very funny.

[Memes]

Dave's bad shirt. It was a bad shirt. I don't think it was a bad shirt.

[Hank]

It was a good shirt.

[Memes]

Can I. Can I.

[Hank]

So blue.

[Memes]

I'm gonna push back just a little bit. Memes. I think we gotta. We gotta wear belts. If we. If we're going to look at one place where we went wrong. I think maybe wearing a belt might

[Big Cat]

have been read a couple of them.

[Hank]

This is coming from a guy who wore a formal belt on the golf course for like three years. That's when you know it's bad.

[Memes]

But any belt, Any belt, Any belt. Well, here's the thing, Hank, because you're right. I'm not. I'm not what you call the snappiest dresser all the time. But if you're going to tuck in your shirt, I feel like that's you. Ha. You absolutely 100 need to wear a belt every time you tuck in a shirt.

[Big Cat]

The memes looks like every high school student basketball announcer. That's good.

[Hank]

Memes looks like a condom. That's too big.

[Big Cat]

Why does memes look like an offensive line coach? I also for Some reason this one just keeps making me laugh. Melvin Zay CRO CRO. Chromento said, memes look is actually crazy. Just that it's just so funny. It's just so matter of fact. It's not mean. It's just saying he just looks actually crazy. It's actually crazy. But it was a good golf video.

[Hank]

It looks like a dressed up Mike Wazowski.

[Big Cat]

One of them was like, I look like a hermit crab that outgrew a shell.

[Memes]

Memes looks like he's dressed up as Nick Cage playing John Madden.

[Big Cat]

Memes looks like if football was a person. That's actually nice. That rocks.

[Hank]

Looks like a couch.

[Memes]

Crazy times when someone refers to the fat guy in the hat from PMT and they're not talking about Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

And then this one was very funny because Max was wearing his classic golf shirt, which is a tactical water camouflage. Max dressed like a soldier about to attack the straight of More Maz Mozzarella.

[Hank]

PFT is such a scumbag. Love to get him on the length and smoke them.

[Todd McShay]

Facts.

[Hank]

A lot of scumbaggery that goes on in this video.

[Big Cat]

And also an incredible seven iron shot by me.

[Memes]

It's a really good.

[Big Cat]

Will you not just give me a little credit?

[Memes]

I think it's a great giving you

[Hank]

credit in the videos. I cannot believe it.

[Memes]

Memes looks like if Big T and Peter Griffin had a baby.

[Big Cat]

Memes looks like a couch.

[Memes]

Wait, here's a comment.

[Hank]

It says, are those skinny pants on memes or does he make regular pants look like that?

[Memes]

It says, please is was the shirt. And that's a comment from part of my take. POC memes.

[Big Cat]

That's your comment.

[Memes]

Please is was the shirt.

[Big Cat]

Was the shirt.

[Hank]

If golf outfits were NFL teams, memes would still be the Jets.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. Probably.

[Todd McShay]

Whatever.

[Big Cat]

I literally can't tell if memes of real person or not.

[Max]

That was a good restraint from Memes there.

[Memes]

It's tough when PFT isn't the worst dress. That's fair.

[Big Cat]

All the other ones are fine.

[Memes]

Don't talk about the chance. Well, you guys got Donald Trump on. That's crazy. Oh, shit. That's Memes.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man, I loved it. Memes, you're the best. Oh, it's great. We need a belt. You're right.

[Memes]

He got. You gotta wear it.

[Big Cat]

That's a bad lighting too. That's really bad lighting. You're the only one in the sun. There's like a positive negative reaction. Oh, I gotta get back on the Chinese workout because that was when I was like, day 35, and I actually looked pretty good, so I need to get back into it, but. Yeah. Memes. Oh, man. All right. Good show, boys. Good show.

[Memes]

It was early.

[Big Cat]

So much chilies in me.

[Memes]

There's one comment. There's one comment. It's just the max appreciation button. 1. Like,

[Max]

shout out that guy. What's wrong with that?

[Memes]

It's a sad appreciation, but it's great.

[Max]

Well, there's so many comments.

[Memes]

I know. I know. It's just. It's a sad button. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Numbers 8, 23, 11, 22, 85,

[Memes]

56,

[Hank]

please.

[Big Cat]

Was this shirt is

[Hank]

on till 22.

[Big Cat]

Oh, 23. Got it.

[Memes]

Is that you?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Nice. Say 23. All right. Have you. Hey, have you guys ever gotten this?

[Memes]

I haven't.

[Big Cat]

I've got it. No, you haven't.

[Memes]

I've never gotten.

[Big Cat]

I have gotten this. I've officially gotten this. Gotten it. Now it's on for.

[Memes]

I've never gotten it.

[Big Cat]

Now it's.

[Memes]

Who's gotten it?

[Big Cat]

I have. I also. No, you haven't. Memes. No, you have not. I've gotten it.

[Todd McShay]

Don't.

[Big Cat]

No, you have not.

[Memes]

Should be allowed to lie.

[Big Cat]

I didn't win it. Oh, my God.

[Memes]

This should be allowed to lie.

[Big Cat]

This is such a relief right now.

[Memes]

Stop lying me.

[Big Cat]

Such a relief because it's gonna get. It's gonna get tight eventually, and it's not one of you that was. Felt good. Are you gonna do one more? I'll let you guys.

[Memes]

Yeah. See? One more.

[Big Cat]

Did someone else join the club with me? I would like it if someone else would join the club. I'm in the club. Not in the winners club. In the club. Has anyone ever gotten back to back? No.

[Zach]

I go 80. Never.

[Big Cat]

I have to change my number, right? Or do you want me to go again?

[Memes]

I don't know how that goes.

[Big Cat]

I think I have to change right now.

[Memes]

85.

[Hank]

I'll go 32.

[Memes]

Stick with 85.

[Big Cat]

You guys all have your numbers. Sticking with them.

[Hank]

I'm going 32.

[Big Cat]

72. Anyone? All right. I look forward to all of you trying to get it. It's really easy. All you got to do is guess the right number.

[Memes]

So. April 20th. Well, first of all, happy birthday yesterday. April 19th to Hankstad. Yep.

[Hank]

Shout out.

[Memes]

Shout out. Mr. Lockwood, would Hank remember this year? Hank, remember this year. Also, your dad shares a birthday with The Rizzler.

[Big Cat]

Nice.

[Memes]

Nice.

[Big Cat]

10.

[Memes]

So, yeah, 419. Great birthday. 4 12.

[Hank]

Move on to 420, though.

[Memes]

Okay, 420. Happy birthday to the guy that killed Hitler.

[Big Cat]

Nice. Good one. Anyone else.

[Memes]

That's the only.

[Hank]

No, no one else.

[Memes]

I think that's it.

[Big Cat]

That's it.

[Memes]

I think the guy that killed Hitler is the one that we're gonna stick

[Big Cat]

with with any famous things that happen

[Memes]

on this day blazing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's a guy who.

[Memes]

A lot of dudes get really high today. A lot of dudes get really high today. We're not going to do this day in history. Nah, just blaze it.

[Hank]

Just famous birthdays notable people's birthdays notable.

[Memes]

This is the birthday section, it's not the mass shooting section.

[Big Cat]

Right? Fact.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Clinton. Wait, who, who else?

[Memes]

Let's stick to the Rizzler and Hanks

[Big Cat]

dad Hangstad and Hitler and Carmen Electro.

[Memes]

Shout out Carmen elect.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Vandross too.

[Memes]

Oh, there we go.

[Big Cat]

Luke Keakley.

[Memes]

Oh, there we go. Shout out Luke Keakley. Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

Sam, sa. Dance.