Blake Griffin, Actor Owen Wilson, Oilers Back From Dead, Pacers Take Game 3 + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take - Episode Summary: "Blake Griffin, Actor Owen Wilson, Oilers Back From Dead, Pacers Take Game 3 + Fyre Fest Of The Week"

Release Date: June 13, 2025

Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter

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Highlights:

1. Edmonton Oilers' Remarkable Comeback
2. Indiana Pacers' Impressive Performance in NBA Finals
3. US Open Golf Course Challenges
4. NFL Insights: Bengals' Rookie Contract Controversy
5. Exclusive Interviews: Blake Griffin & Owen Wilson
6. Fyre Fest of the Week

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1. Edmonton Oilers' Remarkable Comeback

The episode kicks off with a passionate discussion about the Edmonton Oilers' thrilling Game 4 in the Stanley Cup Final.

• Big Cat (00:16): "Today is Friday, June 13, and the Edmonton Oilers are very much alive. What a game."

• PFT Commenter (04:13): "What a game! It had everything. Even a goalie getting benched in the first period."

The hosts delve into the game's pivotal moments, highlighting Leon Draisaitl's historic fourth overtime goal that secured the win for the Oilers.

• Big Cat (05:16): "Leon Draisaitl coming off the bench with a one-handed shot... That’s the type of plays that win games."

They also discuss the potential future of Oilers' goalie, Skinner, pondering whether he'll start Game 5 or not.

• Big Cat (05:28): "I think they'll go back to him."
• PFT (05:16): "If they do, that's a big risk from the coach."

2. Indiana Pacers' Impressive Performance in NBA Finals

Transitioning to the NBA Finals, the hosts express their surprise and admiration for the Indiana Pacers' performance.

• Big Cat (26:00): "The Indiana Pacers are up 2:1 in the NBA Finals. Holy shit. This team."

They highlight standout performances, including T.J. McConnell's historic game and Benedict Mathurian's stellar 27-point outing off the bench.

• Big Cat (28:00): "Benedict Matheran, who was awesome. 27 points... the most points off the bench since Jason Terry in 2011."

The discussion also touches on the Pacers' depth and resilience, contrasting them with the Oklahoma City Thunder's strategies and potential vulnerabilities.

• PFT (31:30): "Every time they get blown out this postseason, they are 4,0. They're undefeated when they lose by 15 plus points in the previous game."

3. US Open Golf Course Challenges

The conversation shifts to the US Open, critiquing the golf course's difficulty and player performances.

• Big Cat (17:57): "The US Open wasn't impressed with the golf course. A lot of talk about the golf course. Then we got all the excuses from everyone right after being like, oh, it's soft."

They debate the course's preparation, maintenance, and its impact on players' performances, expressing a desire for a more challenging setup.

• PFT (19:43): "They were standing in front of those lawnmowers like it's Tiananmen Square, being like, stop with the mowing. Grow it out. Let the course be all that it can be."

4. NFL Insights: Bengals' Rookie Contract Controversy

A critical segment discusses the Cincinnati Bengals' new rookie, Shemar Stewart, and the controversial contract clauses hindering his participation.

• PFT (55:00): "Shemar Stewart, their first-round pick, left OTAs because they're trying to put a clause that voids his contract if he gets hurt in the preseason."

• Big Cat (56:00): "According to the NFL's CBA, Shemar Stewart could re-enter the 2026 NFL Draft if he remains unsigned."

This segment underscores the Bengals' financial constraints and strategic missteps, highlighting potential long-term implications for the team's defense.

5. Exclusive Interviews

a. Blake Griffin (70:00 - 108:00)

Topic: Blake Griffin discusses his hypothetical ownership of a football team and reflects on his playing career.

• Big Cat (71:37): "Blake, how are you doing? We miss you."

• Blake Griffin (71:20): "Enjoying retired life... We bought a football team together."

Griffin humorously touches upon the challenges of owning a team, emphasizing accountability and competitive spirit.

• PFT (71:46): "What a great team you have... we’re five and one now."

He shares insights on the Pacers' run, complimenting Rick Carlisle's coaching and the team's cohesive play.

• Blake Griffin (82:08): "They got to win game four. It's a must win."

Griffin also delves into current NBA dynamics, comparing the Pacers to historical underdog champions and discussing player performances.

• Blake Griffin (91:36): "Kevin Durant... insanely talented."

b. Owen Wilson (108:00 - 157:00)

Topic: Owen Wilson introduces his new Apple TV show "Stick" and shares experiences from his acting career.

• Big Cat (110:46): "Welcome Owen Wilson... You've got a new show out on Apple TV called Stick."

• Owen Wilson (111:20): "I've been enjoying working on 'Stick'... it's about a former pro golfer coaching a kid prodigy."

Wilson discusses the challenges of portraying a golfer, emphasizing the importance of relaxation in the sport.

• Owen Wilson (112:15): "Relax your grip... I love playing with the character."

He reflects on his collaborations with Wes Anderson, describing the unique atmosphere on set.

• Owen Wilson (124:32): "Making his movies feels different... a lot like a little family."

Wilson also touches upon his love for sports, particularly baseball and his childhood experiences.

• Owen Wilson (129:55): "I love watching those ESPN 30 for 30s... sports are so watchable."

6. Fyre Fest of the Week

The hosts conclude with their weekly Fire Fest segment, highlighting personal events and humorous anecdotes.

• Hank (135:39): "Monday, we got a dog, we golfed. Charity golf outing, Stella Blue."

• Memes (146:33): "I've become allergic to my own dog... any recommendations?"

They share laughs over mishaps, such as costume store challenges and birthday celebrations, emphasizing camaraderie and the chaotic yet fun nature of their lives.

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Notable Quotes:

• Big Cat (05:35): "Leon Draisaitl coming off the bench with a one-handed shot... That’s the type of plays that win games."

• PFT (26:54): "Every time they get blown out this postseason, they are 4,0. They're undefeated when they lose by 15 plus points in the previous game."

• Blake Griffin (91:36): "Kevin Durant... insanely talented."

• Owen Wilson (112:15): "Relax your grip... I love playing with the character."

• Memes (146:33): "I've become allergic to my own dog... any recommendations?"

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Conclusion:

In this episode of Pardon My Take, Big Cat and PFT Commenter deliver a blend of exhilarating sports analysis and entertaining interviews. The hosts celebrate the Edmonton Oilers' stunning comeback, commend the Indiana Pacers' unexpected prowess in the NBA Finals, critique the US Open's golf course, and scrutinize NFL controversies. Exclusive conversations with Blake Griffin and Owen Wilson add depth and humor, while the Fire Fest segment wraps up the episode with personal stories and laughs. Whether you're a die-hard sports fan or enjoy lighthearted banter, this episode offers a comprehensive and engaging listen.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

Patino Award and my tech.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Martin Mite.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Baron. Mike.

[Hank]

Yay, Baron.

[Big Cat]

Mike.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Baron. Might take me. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Don't miss your last chance to bet on the NBA this season. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers. Get 300 in bonus bets if your bet wins when you bet five bucks only on DraftKings, the crown is yours. Today is Friday, June 13, and the Edmonton Oilers are very much alive. What a game. PFT. The Oilers were down 3 nothing in the first period. They were deader than dead. Felt like it was a coronation for the Panthers. They fight all the way back. They tie it 3 3. They go up 4 3. And then they give up a goal with 20 seconds left to go to overtime. And then Leon Draisaitl fourth overtime goal in these playoffs. Insane. That was puck, baby. That was some great puck.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's been great. That. What an incredible game. It had everything. All these games have had everything. In this one, we even had a goalie getting benched in the first period. Skinner gave up three goals to start the game. Got him out of there. If you were to inject him with truth serum, would you. Do you think he wanted the Oilers to. Would he want them to win the Stanley cup if he was benched?

[Big Cat]

Well, yes, because he probably. He would. He would come back, so. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That'd be a funny comeback. It's still the whole.

[PFT]

You'd want your boys to win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you want your boys to win. But I mean, he. He's going to start. He's going to start game five.

[PFT]

You think so?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think they'll go back to him.

[PFT]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Maybe not. I don't know. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe not. I mean, he. He's got him there. Obviously. The last two, whatever, four periods have not looked good. Losing six one. And then tonight in the first period. But I don't know. Yeah. I actually have no idea if they'll go back to him.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think if they do go back to him, that would be a big risk from the coach. And if they don't go back to him, I feel like that's the less risky play at this point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hold on. I'm going to text Yan's and ask him right now what he. Because he's a Panthers fan. This would be good. Do you want them to go back to Skinner or not?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Them to go back to Skinner.

[PFT]

I've gotten to the point now because I don't know if you're the same watching this particular Stanley cup finals when the game doesn't go to overtime. I'm pissed off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean it's been incredible. We had, we had one clunker of a game. The other three have been just instant classics. And like I said, Leon Draisaito fourth overtime goal in. In these playoffs. Insane. The. I think I saw the stat. It was. Teams are 20 or I think it's 27 and 0. No. 37. 0 maybe went up three plus goals in the. At the end of the first period in the Stanley cup final.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So 37. Zero now 37 and one after the Panthers blew that and it was, it was over. It felt very much over. And the Oilers just kept. There was like a five minute stretch in the second period where they just kind of woke up and took the game back. And the Panthers were like stunned. I think the Panthers thought it was over as well because they, they, they just didn't have the same edge. And it's awesome. The whole. Oh, it's just great. Great puck.

[PFT]

We've had great puck. We've had great ball too. I, I actually have. I've got the NHL up three games to two against the NBA in the finals.

[Blake Griffin]

Ooh.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

So. So Friday night is a must win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

For the NBA to, to extend the series.

[Big Cat]

I think it's fair scoring.

[PFT]

You know who else thought that the game was over? It not just the Florida Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Who?

[PFT]

Our good friend Paul Bisset.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah.

[PFT]

After the first period.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Oil got nothing. They have no room. Anaconda choke hold. Game over. The Anaconda choke hold is. That's. You only break that out if you 100%. You break that out after the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And a kind of chokehold with 40 minutes left in the game is. It feels. Feels. You know what though? We all make those tweets.

[PFT]

I've never. I've never.

[Big Cat]

We all make those tweets. We all tweet with passion. I was gonna say, if we're doing stars for the game, I think the. The. The guy who deserves all the credit for the Oilers is not Leon Dry Seidel. It's not Connor McDavid.

[PFT]

Taylor Swift.

[Big Cat]

Well, Taylor Swift, that was. We had some flashbacks to. To watching NFL, son. It was actually the first time that the NFL is coming back where they just kept on going to Taylor Swift during the game. We're like, what? Okay. It's not. It's not Pickard who came in for Skynyrd. It's beans guy. I don't know if you saw this.

[PFT]

I saw the beans.

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[PFT]

I don't. I don't get the beans guy. So explain the beans guy to me.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so this is young booze 69, shout out young booze 69, the juice man. After the first period. He. He's an Oilers fan. He was sitting on his back porch, and he said, 2. 2 pounds of rally baked beans. That's how you lead from the front. And he started eating two pounds of baked beans. Big Tupperware container. The Oilers came back. He was like. Halfway through the. The. I think the third period, he's like, I'm gonna throw up. This is getting really tough to do. Thank God I've had enough whiskeys to shove two more pounds of beans down my throat. So he just kept on going. He kept on just pounding beans, and he brought the Oilers back.

[PFT]

I. I'm willing to give him the start of the game if he finished the beans.

[Big Cat]

I. I think he. I think he not only finished the beans. I think he reloaded the beans.

[PFT]

Did. Let me. Let me see. What's it?

[Big Cat]

Rally Boo 69 Young Booze 69.

[PFT]

Young. Is it y, U N, G?

[Big Cat]

Y, O, U. The correct spelling of young booze with a Z. 69.

[PFT]

You know what? I'm just gonna look up Bradley beans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, he. He Rally bees. You got to give him credit. He went all out. He went all out for the team. The team was. Was in a dire situation, and he went all out for the team.

[PFT]

Shout out to pick and save. Screaming two for one, deal. And family size baked beans. Can't pass something like that up. That's true. He said, dripping in oil.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

What a fucking win. Never doubt Bush's baked beans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, dude, this guy was just pounding beans.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Came all the way back.

[PFT]

I don't see. I want to give him some credit, but I don't know if I can make him start the. I see no no info that he finished the beans.

[Big Cat]

I think he reloaded the beans because he said he drank enough whiskey to have another £2 job.

[PFT]

You gotta, you gotta finish the job. I, I will give him, I'll give him one of the stars of the game.

[Big Cat]

Isn't the proof in the pudding though? They came back, they won the game.

[PFT]

They did. It was, it was incredible comeback. It looked the first period was like all Panthers and there were times in overtime it looked like it was all Panthers too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. I mean there was a, there was a, the Panthers. Was it, was it a crossbar or a post that they hit that. That felt like it was, it was over and it was just like, oh, and there was that stretch where the Oilers had their, their, their D on the ice for like a minute and 45 and you could, you could tell that it was like getting to that precarious situation in overtime where like these guys are gassed and they're gonna make a mistake and you can't make a mistake in overtime. But then Leon Draisaitl coming off the, throwing the puck at the, at the net like he, that wasn't even a really a shot. It was a one handed shot where he's like, let's just make something happen. And those type of goals win games.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think it was off the cross, but I think that the save of the night was the shot to the face. The rarely seen shot to the face. I think it dented his face mask too. Yeah, the point where the refs had to step in and be like, hey, man, you okay? Yeah, I'm a hockey player, I'll be fine. We didn't wear face masks until like 10 years ago. And he's a good point. All right, let's keep playing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Yan's hasn't gotten back to me. Neither is Whitney. I'm gonna try to call Whitney real quick to see if we can just get a Skinner update.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I also sent him the Riverside so. But I doubt he's gonna join. He's probably. He. Whitney's in the point of the week in Florida where he did a post game video and he has no voice left.

[PFT]

I, I saw a clip of the two goalies after the game and they were like shaking hands and it looked, it honestly looked like they did a handshake line after the two goalies to each other. We saw a real life passing the torch. That's what I'm thinking.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Whitney's not picking up. We'll try, we'll try. Grinnell his handler. And if that doesn't happen, we'll just go without any. Any of our guys. What do you. I mean, what did you see? Oh, bad sports town.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

How does the. How do. How does South Florida fans not learn after Ray Allen?

[PFT]

I don't know how you would think that of all the sports towns in America, that would be the one that would be sure to have enough energy to stay through the end of the game.

[Big Cat]

That. And just like you, you have the pro, like, probably the number one. When you think of fans leaving early and it going the other way, you think of Ray Allen.

[PFT]

You do. But I think that Panthers fans might be different from Heat fans. And I also think that, like, true Miami Heat fans, like true Miami sports fans, they wouldn't learn shit from that lesson.

[Big Cat]

That's true. All right, we're going to give one try, one try to Grinnelli, and if we can't get him, we're just going to keep going with some US Open talk. I. We also have a. The amount of tweets I'm getting about going to game seven are getting troubling.

[PFT]

Yeah, I'm getting quite a few, I think.

[Big Cat]

Hey, are you with Whit? No, he. I'm not allowed in his box. He told me he saw my nose and he told me I was not allowed anywhere near. Also goes for Merle's names and Colby as well. He said they're not allowed anywhere near his box. Wait, so he's. Is he alone right now? I know he's with. He's with our photographer. He's also with Pasha. It's just. Yeah, it's just. Okay. I have no idea. All right. Hey, wait, wait. Are you with Merle's? I am with me. Put Merle's on the phone real quick. All right, I got you. This is it. They've been in Florida. They've been in Florida for, like, seven days. They can't find anyone.

[PFT]

This is awesome.

[Big Cat]

Give me. Give me arm dog. Give me arm dog. Give me arm dog. Where is Army?

[PFT]

Ask him how long you think he's gonna be in the bathroom for.

[Big Cat]

Army left. Who's there? We got. We got memes girls in the bathroom. Faces on TNT and let us hit a spot. And. And Ian's is gone. Yes, it's gone. You guys are a mess. Yeah, we're all over the place. All right, give me memes. Give me memes. Other memes. Come here. Chickles has a memes, too. All right, you're on pmt. Hey, what's up? Memes hey, you're. We. We just had to go down the line of. Of Chiclets guys. So we're gonna ask you. Do. Do the Oilers. Do the Oilers go. Go back to Skinner? Yeah, they're going Skinner for sure. Burrows is here too. Now if you want him. All right. Too.

[PFT]

Let's ask him.

[Big Cat]

Hey, Forest, line this guy right back up first line. Here we go. Wes, are we live? Yeah, we're live. Hey, Merles, Does. Does. Do the Oilers go back to Skinner?

[Blake Griffin]

No.

[Big Cat]

No. You think he's done for the series? Yes. So what happens in hockey is when you put a weaker goalie in, all the guys smarten up and play a little tighter, a little smarter. They start blocking shots. If you look back in the old. I forget what year it was. This guy, the Hamburglar, do you remember him for Ottawa? The goalie? Sure. Andrew Hammond. He went 21. He was like from the third league, the East Coast Hockey League. And they brought him up to Ottawa and they threw him in the net. And all the players knew, like if they let a shot go through, it was going in the net. So they all just started blocking every shot and then just like not making high risk plays. So they just played such a simple game and then they eventually win the game. So that's what happens with Picker. Okay, so you think that, you think Skinner's done for the series? I think he's done for next game. Okay. For next game. So he could be back in the series. You play the hot hand. Okay. Whitney's on hinge. Yeah, he kicked you guys. He kicked you guys out of the box. Yeah. He's yelling and screaming at some of his best friends in life to get away from him because they scored two goals when we weren't next to him. So he kicked us out of the suite. We had to leave, like, dude. But we were there for the first goal to start the comeback. He's like, no, but you weren't here for the second and third goal. Screaming and yelling at me. Kicked me out of the suite we were in. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you, Burls. We appreciate it. All right, I'll talk to you later. Oilers and six. Oilers and six. Save us a trip to Edmonton, all right? I don't want to go to Edmonton. I heard you're in now. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. All right. All right. See ya. Love you too. Bye. Merle's is the best.

[PFT]

The, the moss pit looked awesome tonight.

[Big Cat]

The moss. Moss pit looked incredible. Yeah, the, the, the. What's her name? The woman who dresses in all silver.

[PFT]

Yeah, she doesn't.

[Big Cat]

Mama Stanley.

[PFT]

I believe she doesn't really react that much. She just raises the sign that says believe or whatever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

She's very, very demure.

[Big Cat]

Incredible game. Incredible game. All right, so maybe they go hot hand. I. Yance did text me back, but he hasn't. He just wrote back me, question mark. I don't care. I said. I said, do you want them to go back to Skinner or not? He's a me. I don't care.

[PFT]

I have a question for you, Big Cat. Has. Has hockey tricked us into saying free hockey just by taking away the fourth quarter? And then whenever it gets to the fourth quarter, we're so grateful to have a fourth quarter.

[Big Cat]

That's a good point. That was a good point.

[PFT]

I mean, I still love it. Don't get me wrong. I love overtime hockey in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

But I really wish. I really wish we had gone. Gotten to that eighth overtime. So we get the rules in the envelope.

[PFT]

In Toronto, they actually just call it a tie.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Should we talk a little U.S. open real quick?

[PFT]

The Open Championship?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. The U.S. open wasn't impressed with the golf course. A lot of talk about the golf course. Then we got all the excuses from everyone right after being like, oh, it's soft. It's soft. The golf course is so soft. I still wasn't impressed.

[PFT]

I think that the golf course had a decent opening round.

[Big Cat]

It was okay, but I was expecting. I was expecting, like, carnage everywhere.

[Hank]

Like, six guys under par.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I wanted no guys under par. I wanted carnage everywhere.

[Hank]

Golf to play. But the way the course is going to firm up.

[Big Cat]

Hank, the way that it was talked about. True or false. They were saying that this was, like, the most impossible golf course of all time.

[Hank]

There's six guys under par after one round. That.

[Big Cat]

That six too many.

[PFT]

I think there were 10 guys that didn't have a birdie today.

[Big Cat]

Six too many.

[PFT]

I think that I. I think that Big Cat's right in that the course was talked about. Like, we expected golfers to be bleeding when they left the course. Like, there would be golfers spitting their teeth out. They'd be bleeding from the nose. They'd be puking. And so far, the best that we got was just, like, some guys losing their balls in the rough. But I do think. I do think Hank's right, that this is what happens with the course. It's the opening round. The course will look. It will rain into a false sense of security. Yeah, it rained last Sunday.

[Big Cat]

We're getting drier what did I say? I said, just if I wasn't impressed today. And by the way, just a point of correction, because Hank is our golf Expert, there were 10 guys under par today, and there were 19 guys that were even or better.

[Hank]

That's not a lot.

[Big Cat]

That's too many. For the calls, for the way they. The way they pump this thing up. I wanted. I wanted zero. I wanted the best. I wanted the winning score after the first round to be plus three.

[PFT]

Well, what about this? When Seawoo Kim, when he did his post match, inter or post round interview, he said, honestly, I don't even know what I'm doing on this course. I feel like this course is too hard for me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was.

[PFT]

And he was two under.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, and he's. Yeah, he's in third place. Incredible. And also our guy Brooks. Listen, there's a lot of golf to be played, but he had a great round, probably his best round in a major in a long time. And also he had a press conference that made me think that he might have his swagger back. Did you see this where he was. So the question that was asked was question. Everyone always points back to the comment at Beth page 5, 10 players, whatever, can win this week. Do you still think of yourself that way, or has it changed at all? Brooks replied, I mean, I don't talk about it. You guys talk about it. Then the quote. Then the. The journalist said it was your quote, though, and Brook said it was. I said it once and now everyone repeats it. Stop talking about my quote. Yeah, he got his swagger back.

[PFT]

Maybe he gets pissed off. It's like you're copying me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[PFT]

You're stealing my words. I'm not saying my words right now. You're saying my words to me. They're not even your words. They're mine.

[Big Cat]

Pft. What do you think the boys in the booth are talking about? Because they just have been having a conversation off. Mike.

[Hank]

Sorry, my.

[Big Cat]

My face.

[PFT]

Wait, wait, let me. Let me answer. It's whatever those three kids in the basement around a coffee table are talking about when they're doing the podcast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're just. They're just chit. Chatting it up with their mics off while we're just trying to do the show. That was.

[Hank]

No, I mean, that was. I have a buddy from Miami who's been FaceTime me face on me. FaceTime in one stop. And I finally answered just to tell him to shut up. And he was with Grinnelli, and they're just. They're buckled. So it was a. It was a funny full circle.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man. The chickless guys are. Are in disarray right now.

[PFT]

One thing that we do need to do, though.

[Big Cat]

Wait. By the way, the best part about that whole entire exchange with the Chiclets guys is just like Grinnell just being like, business on tnt. We got one guy in the bathroom, one guy over here. Biz is on tnt, business on television.

[PFT]

Talking to Wayne Gretzky like he likes to do.

[Big Cat]

What were you gonna say?

[PFT]

I forget we're talking about golf.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

What we need to do is we need to just keep an eye on the leaderboard. And the second that Brooks takes first place, God willing, then at that point, Big Cat, you need to stop talking trash about the course and you need to start gassing the course up.

[Big Cat]

That's fine. Listen.

[PFT]

Because at that point. At that point, it's like Brooks is dominating at the hardest course ever invented.

[Big Cat]

I am. If the course answers tomorrow. I'm not. I'm not making a final judgment on this course. All. My only point was the way this course was talked about. I wanted it to be a lot harder. And I know it's very hard, and I know there's 10 guys, only 10 guys under par, but, like, it's the hype. The hype was so insane where guys were saying, like, you know, I saw, like, they were interviewing a bunch of pros being like, what is a 10 handicap shoot on this course? And they were like, 180, 160. They don't finish. Like, they don't. They would lose every ball. So it's like, I just kept on hearing all this stuff, and I want it to be that. I want it to be so excruciating. And I listen, if it's gonna firm up, I'm in. I'm in. I want the course to fight back. I also want Brooks to win, but I want the course to fight back.

[PFT]

It's gonna fight back. It's gonna bake out a little bit. There was one piece of course propaganda that they put out that I. At that point, I knew they were going too far and H up. And that's when we had multiple golfers doing their approach shot from 120 yards with a putter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

To show how dry it was when that happened, I was like, wait a second. That's actually really easy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could do your. The putter thing.

[PFT]

Yeah, I could. I could get a par on that hole just using my putter.

[Big Cat]

It. It was that, and then it was the army of lawnmowers when they had them just marching around and being like, well, they actually get it, so the grass stands up, so it's even more impossible to find. I get it. I. It's. I love the US Open. I love that they make it really hard. Just tone it down. If it's not going to be as hard. If it's not going to. I want the. I want the winner to be. Plus, you know, I want him to be. Be over par.

[PFT]

The guys with the lawnmowers, there was one where they're standing in the bunker and they've got the lawnmowers above them mowing the side of the bunker. And I thought it was a viral ad for Final Destination.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like, it looked. It looked scary. But then I was looking at that, I was like, why. Why are you making such a big deal out of the guys with the mowers? The scarier thing would be if they had no guys with mowers out there at all. And. And let the court, like, there should be a guy standing in front of those lawnmowers like it's Tiananmen Square, being like, stop with the mowing. Grow it out. Let's let this course be all that it can be.

[Big Cat]

I. I thought the same thing when I saw the lawnmowers. Like, are they making it easier?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because I don't understand how any of this stuff works in golf course. What's. What's the actual. There's a maintenance. No. Yeah, there's. I think it's. Golf course maintenance is like, a pretty popular major at a bunch of colleges. Yeah, you could do it. What do you got? Memes. They just keep talking without the mics on. No, it's turf management. Oh, turf management was a golf college. Did you. Did you do it? No. Business.

[PFT]

I wonder.

[Blake Griffin]

Business.

[PFT]

But yeah.

[Hank]

Memology.

[Big Cat]

Meme. Do you want. It means you want to say anything about Luigi shouting you out. Do I disavow him?

[Hank]

What do you say?

[Big Cat]

It was a nice shout out. It was a nice shout out. I think he just. I think you take a shout out, whoever. You get it.

[Hank]

What did he say?

[PFT]

He just said he. He made a list of things that he's thankful for in prison, and then one of them, I think, was like. Like thick Latinas for Luigi. And then the next one was memes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Latinas for Mangioni. Yeah.

[PFT]

I also. I got comment from Oldie about whether or not Edmonton should start. Skinner. Skinner or not. He said, don't think.

[Big Cat]

Don't think.

[PFT]

I don't know if he's telling us to not think about it or if he's saying, I don't think they do.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

I don't think they do if we're.

[Big Cat]

Keeping score at home. Chiclet's meme said, go back to Skinner. Merle said, don't go back to Skinner. Oldie said, don't think. Yan said, I don't care.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Good. We got it all. I don't think we missed any answer that you could have.

[PFT]

Somebody's gonna be right.

[Big Cat]

So someone is gonna win this one. All right, should we kick it to ourselves talking NBA finals and little NFL and then we'll get to our interviews?

[PFT]

Let's do it.

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

Tom Brady statue night. Oh, oh, it's the preseason commanders at the Patriots. It's August 8th and you can get in for as little as $43. Big night.

[Big Cat]

Big night. So $43.

[Hank]

I think I might go to this.

[PFT]

You going to go to it? To the statue unveiling.

[Hank]

It's a big night.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

Good answer.

[Big Cat]

It was Jason Terry, 2011, Game 6.

[PFT]

Also coached by Rick Carlisle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, little. Little something there.

[PFT]

That's quite a nugget.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Benedict Matheran, he was. He didn't play the first quarter and then he outscored The Thunders bench 27 to 18 by himself.

[PFT]

And did you see him after the game was over when SVP was interviewing him like, hey, that's pretty cool that you did that. He was saying all the right things. But the difference is like I believed him when he was saying all the right things. He's like, I honestly do not care until we win the championship.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And he didn't care.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[PFT]

And it was that. It was at that point because after the game I was like, that's awesome for the Pacers. I'm glad they got one at home. What a performance from their bench. What a performance by the entire team. And the crowd was awesome last night.

[Big Cat]

Crowd was awesome. Caitlin Clark, shout out. Eat. No. Now. Yeah.

[PFT]

What a great game it was for them. And I was like, that's cool. But I still thought that the Thunder were definitely going to win. Then I heard how little he cared about how many points he scored.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And for whatever, he hypnotized me. I was like, this guy actually means all the cliche that you say that you're supposed to say. I. I kind of believe in the Pacers now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's an all time confidence guy. You remember there was a story when he was in the combine in the draft process. He said his first he. What he's looking forward to most in the league is his first game against LeBron James. Because a lot of people say he's great. I want to see how great he is. I don't think anybody is better than me. He's going to have to show me he's better than me.

[PFT]

Yeah, I've seen him on tv, but he hasn't, he hasn't played me before.

[Big Cat]

That's an all time confidence guy. All time bench guy. And yeah, the Pacers, I mean, Hal Burton also answered the bell where he was like way more aggressive, was I think a rebound shy of a triple double. And it, it was, it was like there was multiple moments in that game. I was like, oh, here come the Thunder. Even how the, the second half started where they, they, they, I think they scored like six points right away. I was like, oh, this game. And then just the Pacers just kept on coming back and fighting and then you look up and it's like I, I think the, the Thunder went like a long stretch in the fourth quarter without hitting a field goal. SGA was bad in the fourth quarter. Really bad. Three points. He's the MVP of the league and he needs to be. And he was bad defensively. Like he needs to be put in that same spot when you have a game like that to be criticized. Obviously he's a great player and I expect him to answer in game four, but he was bad in the fourth quarter in game three.

[PFT]

And when you blow the Pacers out, they're going to come back and beat you in the next game. That's what they do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Every time they get blown out this postseason, they are 4, 0. They're undefeated when they lose by 15 plus points in the previous game.

[Big Cat]

And they also have not lost back to back game since March 10th.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's a long time.

[PFT]

Yeah. So I kind, I think I low key believe in the Pacers.

[Big Cat]

I do too.

[PFT]

Maybe it's do I, I think I high key, low key believe in the Pacers.

[Big Cat]

I, I, I believed in the Pacers throughout the Easter conference playoffs. And then the finals came and I was like, I think the Thunder are going to win. And I know that it's obviously now that they're up, but they just, there's something about them. Like they just have more guys and they just, I think it's also they don't. The moment is never too big for them. They're not scared.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like they're not worried. They're not scared. And it just, it something about this team is special. They also are. They're going for the longest odds ever to win an NBA Finals.

[PFT]

Yeah. I mean it's got to be up there in all four sports.

[Big Cat]

So it's fourth all time in all four sports right now. So their preseason odds were 66 to 1. The second longest preseason odds to ever win an NBA title was the 2014-15 warriors at 28 to 1. In all of sports, Leicester City. We're counting sports.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

In all sports, the 1999St. Louis Rams, 150 to 1. Preseason odds, the 1991 Minnesota Twins were 80 to 1. And then the 2003 Florida Marlins were 75 to 1. And then fourth is the Pacers, 66 to 1. But what's crazy is the Pacers, I think, were longer odds even when the postseason started. They were 80 to 1.

[PFT]

Yeah. That is. They went up and I think with that Twins, I think they were playing the Braves in that World Series, and they were both worse to first teams. That's probably the biggest combined odds to reach the championship.

[Big Cat]

Kirby Puckett put the whole team on and back.

[PFT]

That's right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And they had the black Jackson Dow. Right. The best was the. The plexiglass, the hockey. The hockey boards out in the outfield.

[PFT]

That was an insane stadium.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So awesome. Hubert Humphrey. Don't. Yeah.

[PFT]

I got a question for you. Trivia time.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

How many free throws do you think Tyrese Halliburton has shot in the finals?

[Hank]

7.

[Big Cat]

Total.

[PFT]

Total. Total in the finals. Wait, wait.

[Big Cat]

Don't be always. Zach got hot on the Google.

[PFT]

All right, so you say six, eight.

[Big Cat]

Wait. Price is Right rules.

[PFT]

I don't give a. Either way. 8, 8, 7, 0.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

He shot.060 free throws in the NBA Finals.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy.

[PFT]

That is pretty crazy, isn't it?

[Big Cat]

I feel like that's all I memory hold him shooting free throws.

[PFT]

With all the talk about whether or not he's a superstar, that would actually go a long way towards him. Becoming a superstar is if there's moments in the game where it stops and everybody just watches him shoot the basketball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, he. He. Game two, he was not very aggressive, but that is crazy. In the. In. In game one and game three, he has not shot a free throw. He's so good. He's so good. And he. So I. Good trivia, by the way.

[PFT]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

Really good trivia.

[PFT]

Get ready for the dozen.

[Big Cat]

Great trivia. I. I think, though, we. We kind of buried the lead here. I was wondering, you know, we could talk about the Pacers incredible run. We can talk about the Pacers being two wins away from the NBA finals. What a game three, by the way. Chet Holmgren. Get your weight up, bro.

[PFT]

Get your weight. That's one guy that. I think Perk could actually take him under his wing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And be like, I. I need to help you, young man.

[Big Cat]

He. That box score. If you box score, watch. You're like, oh, Chad had 2010 or 29, whatever it was. We're going to talk about this with Blake Griffin in a minute. But that sequence at the end of the game when he got blocked by Miles Turner and then like got blocked by four guys. He just looks, he looks a little over his head.

[PFT]

Yeah, just.

[Big Cat]

It's just. He'll bounce back. Maybe he'll bounce back. I don't know. But he looks a little bit over his head.

[PFT]

He's going up against like a 10 year vet. Yeah, that knows how to put it. That's playing booty ball at him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But, so what I was going to say is we, we missed the two most important conversations about these NBA Finals. The first is what must LeBron and Luca do to win an NBA title?

[PFT]

I saw that this morning. Yeah, it's a good question.

[Big Cat]

That was one of the lead stories on Get Up. So.

[PFT]

So what? Let's start out with LeBron.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

What does LeBron need to do to win an NBA title?

[Big Cat]

Get five years younger.

[PFT]

I think he needs to have Luca lose some weight.

[Big Cat]

That's that too.

[PFT]

And what does Luca need to do?

[Big Cat]

Get LeBron five years younger.

[PFT]

Yes.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[PFT]

All right. So I think that's the formula right there.

[Big Cat]

Okay. And then the other story, which I would say is more important on ESPN this morning, was Stephen A. Smith picking a fight with Tyrese Halberton because we hadn't figured out how Stephen A. Smith was going to make these NBA Finals about him. Tyrese Halberton basically said in a press conference, not naming any names. He was just like, I don't care what everyone says about me. We're two wins away from the Finals. Like, that's our. From winning the championship. That's all I care about. Stephen A. Smith then called him out and said, has he read the news? I'm going to be here for a while. And players far more accomplished and far more superior have made their efforts trying to call me out. How has that worked out?

[PFT]

How has it worked out?

[Big Cat]

I think Kevin Durant's made a lot of money.

[PFT]

Did it work out for LeBron?

[Big Cat]

I think LeBron's made a lot of.

[PFT]

Money work out for LeBron too. Yeah, it's a, it's a fair point by Stephen A. Smith. I, I particularly enjoy the fact that it was kind of sandwiched. This, this segment was sandwiched in between another segment where he talked about Kevin Durant online saying, people need to stop insulting Kevin Durant, stop making it personal, stop coming at him. He's a great basketball player. We should be celebrating his greatness.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And had zero self awareness to the fact that he literally just did that to Tyrese Halliburton.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, pretty much. He's those segments live independent of each other.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's a different.

[Big Cat]

It's like Severance.

[PFT]

It's like episodes of the Simpsons. You tune in next week and it's like, okay, whatever happened in the previous. The nuclear power plant didn't actually melt down. Seven days.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's. He's the wife in Severance going into different rooms.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just every single room has a different Stephen A. Smith take that is contradictory to the one that he just made. Yep. Yeah, that was quite a. Quite a choice by espn. We also had Adam Silver gaslighting us about the logos, which he was like, they haven't been on the court for a while.

[PFT]

Well, the NBA would. I know one thing about the NBA in the front office there. They do not. The league office does not like to make crazy court designs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Ever.

[PFT]

Ever. Because it's slippery.

[Big Cat]

Can't do it.

[PFT]

You can't do it. So you can't put the trophy on. You can't put the NBA Finals logo on the actual court because somebody might slip on it. And that's why nothing ever changes on an NBA court.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. And he just. Again, he. I. Like, a couple years ago, they were putting it on the. The TV broadcast, which. That's what we were talking about. I don't. I would like it on the court, but I understand if you want to pretend it's player safety. Okay, fine, but at least put on the TV broadcast then. Now it's just on. And. And I don't know if you guys knew this, but YouTube TV is presenting.

[PFT]

I did see that.

[Big Cat]

It's very apparent.

[PFT]

I don't. I don't mind the script. Logo. I think. I think it's a fine company. I like the script, but the more Adam Silver talks about, the more he gives us power.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

So we're. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can't wait to see you back on PMT when we're gonna pitch you all of our ideas.

[PFT]

He's simping for us when he goes on TV and he's like, yeah, okay, I want to do another 20 minutes about the logo on the court. Yeah, yeah. We're. You're talking to the Internet right now, Adam.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. So we. This side of the room, believes in the Pacers. Henry Lockwood. Yes. You now, PFT and I. Again, we're not. I'm not claiming that. I am saying that I. I thought the Pacers were gonna win this series. Cannot claim that. I think my official pick was Thunder and six, But PFC and I did say that. We both said The Pacers are going to win one of these home games on Monday's show. You like it is over.

[Hank]

Yeah, I dug myself in a hole. I'm. I'm staying there. But after last night, and as these games go, the pressure is going to, you know, keep mounting on the Thunder, and we might get into a situation, you know, Thunder fans block your ears, where in five, 10 years, they're showing Chet Holmgren Shea on different teams and being like, wow, could you believe this? He made the finals and didn't win.

[PFT]

That's mean.

[Blake Griffin]

That's very mean.

[PFT]

What you're doing right now.

[Big Cat]

This is just. You're just going to. Very triggering for Thunder fans. Specifically, they.

[PFT]

This is it.

[Hank]

It's kind of like the Knicks. It's like you're never gonna have a better shot than this year.

[Big Cat]

You don't think so?

[PFT]

No, they're going to have a much better shot.

[Hank]

Not if they don't win this one.

[PFT]

What if they think that this is. This is a portal series for them?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What if they trade?

[PFT]

If they lose this, it's a sliding doors moment. Your entire future will be miserable.

[Hank]

That's what it's starting to feel like.

[PFT]

What if you win this series? Then you're going to win four.

[Hank]

Something like that.

[Big Cat]

What if they trade chat and a bunch of pictures? That would seem like a pretty good team.

[Hank]

It would seem like it. But you never know. It's hard to get to the finals. It's hard to get back.

[PFT]

What if they lose this?

[Hank]

Injuries happen.

[PFT]

What if they lose this series and then they hit up the New York Knicks and say, hey, do you want to talk to Dagno? And then they hire Tibbs.

[Hank]

That probably be bad for them too. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

It's just it.

[Hank]

The Thunder. The Thunder need to win this series. I still think they're going to, I guess in six now.

[Big Cat]

But why not seven? Oh, because the Valkyrie.

[Hank]

The Valkyrie. And I just think, well, no, Caitlin.

[Big Cat]

Clark is going to be there for game four.

[Hank]

So then I guess it's going to have to be seven.

[Big Cat]

But that's bad.

[Hank]

That's bad for the Thunder.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

To go seven, that's bad.

[Big Cat]

Does it not feel like the Pacers just play a looser, more fearless style of basketball? And the Thunder, it's just a little tight. It's a little tight.

[Hank]

Although also the not the not shooting threes, I think is coming back to bite him too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There was like no threes in the entire game.

[Hank]

Yeah. That's crazy. When you get down in these games, it's like if you're not a three point shooting team, it's harder to come back.

[Big Cat]

Lou Dort did start 4 for 4 and was like his, his three balls touched the earth's cross. I mean, the moon's crossed.

[PFT]

It was a great, great first quarter from Lou Dort.

[Big Cat]

Here's what I'll say in. If you're a Thunder fan freaking out, I would say this could, you could say this is going exactly like the Nugget series, which it actually is. They lost game one at home against the Nuggets in a ridiculous, insane way to lose a game where they were up all game and then they blew it at the end. They killed the Nuggets game too. Went to Denver for game three. Lost that game in overtime, I think it was. And then they won the next two and one in seven. So there, there at least is this has had. They've been down 2:1 in these playoffs.

[PFT]

But must win, Must win.

[Big Cat]

But they've been down 2:1 basically in the exact same way lose a game, they should have won game one, blowout game two, lose game three.

[PFT]

Yeah, I, I, I would not panic if I was a Thunder fan. When you watch the, where the Pacers are playing winning basketball, they will make you panic because they do so much crazy. Like the ball, was it the spurs that used to have the rule, it's like you have to, you have to do something different with the ball within half a second. Like the, the Hoosiers, everybody touches the ball. That was the Hoosiers, but the Spurs, I think, had a rule where it was like, you gotta either dribble or pass the ball or shoot the ball within a half second. And that's how our offense is going to go.

[Big Cat]

They're like the sun. Seven seconds or less.

[PFT]

Yeah, seven seconds. I think that's probably a pretty fair comparison too. But when the Pacers are clicking, it's like, it's dizzying to watch on television. It must be dizzying trying to figure out who, who, who's your man right now. Who are you currently guarding? Because you've just gone through like three screens and there's been three passes in that time span. And when they're clicking against you, it's just got to be overwhelming. So then they, you just need a new game. You need, you need a new 48 and that's wipe the slate clean.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, and you're right, like Rick, Rick Carlisle is such a good coach. And they do like you don't know. Also, you, you know, you don't know like what they're gonna be doing, but you also don't know who's gonna step up. And the Thunder, like, they were throwing a lot of stuff at sga and it was frustrating the hell out of them. Blitzing them up top and, and kind of disrupting. Like, if you can disrupt sga, you can, you can have success against them. I feel like the Pacers defense was great, too.

[PFT]

It was really good.

[Big Cat]

I know that the, the thunder. SGA's got to play better for the Thunder. Like, that's just a fact. He has to play better. He can't score three points in a fourth quarter, and he has to play better defense. The TJ game, TJ McConnell.

[PFT]

TJ McConnell game, that was. He was so fun to watch.

[Big Cat]

That was so great, too, that he.

[PFT]

Looks like a little. He had a little Cooper Dean in it last night. Did you notice that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did. The story about his dad being a coach and coaching both he and his sister and coaching his sister. Not as hard as TJ and TJ getting upset. That was like, you could, you could. Yeah, you could have put a gun to my head and be like, hey, TJ McConnell's dad's a coach and he has a sister. Explain how that went. And I would have gotten it exactly right. Yep, folks, it's the foreplay. Guys. Let's talk Truly Unruly. When you spend every day following the countless laws of golf like us, it's refreshing to get a little unruly. Whether that means using the old hand wedge to escape the bunker or just cracking open a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules, few things feel better. Truly unruly is the first high alk seltzer that actually tastes good. It's hard hitting, but still light and refreshing, making it perfect for everything from the front nine to. To the clubhouse. Find it near you at truly hard seltzer.com locations. That's truly hard seltzer.com Locations. Hard Seltzer Beverage Co. Boston, Massachusetts. Please drink responsibly. So one other NBA thing before we talk a little NFL memes. How's the coaching search going, buddy? They're casting a wide net.

[PFT]

Not saying no to anybody. No. You know what the Knicks are doing? It's like they're the no bad ideas out in the open in front of everybody.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're the dude at the bar who's like, I have no problem being told, though, by a chick, well, it's all I'm going to keep, you know, Peppering the whole board.

[PFT]

It's also like 1:50am and they're doing that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Right now.

[Big Cat]

They're just. They're just hoping that someone says yes.

[PFT]

So they're hitting up their buddies, friends, and being like, hey, how serious are you and this girl?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hey, is your. Hey, what. What grade is your sister in again?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So IME Doka, Chris Finch, Jason Kidd, Quinn Snyder, Billy Donovan. That's a list of teams that the Knicks have reached out to.

[PFT]

That's five.

[Big Cat]

Five. And been told no. Here's an idea. I'm just gonna throw this out there. There is one guy who the team can't say no because he doesn't coach for a team right now.

[PFT]

An NBA coach.

[Big Cat]

He's maybe teased that he would coach in the NBA. Who? Jay Wright. No. Yeah. Cal Bari did say. He was like, it's an incredible job. Jay Wright doesn't have to be asked. You don't have to ask Jay Wright like some front office.

[PFT]

You don't have to ask.

[Big Cat]

You should have to ask Seth Davis.

[PFT]

You just got to maybe call the Pope.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You got to see if Seth Davis is cool with him. Interviewing Jay Wright would be a home run. Oh, man.

[PFT]

Do you think that the Bucks are going to proactively reach out and be like, hey, do you want to talk to our coach?

[Big Cat]

I think they're going to try to hire. So it's. It's Budenholzer, Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone. What? What else? I mean, someone who. Oh, Jerry. I think Jerry o' Connell was saying that they should just rehire Tibbs.

[PFT]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

And just be like, fresh start.

[PFT]

And they can be like, we just did the Tibs thing to you, Tibbs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right.

[PFT]

Like, I just. Tibs do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we just made. We just made you hungrier.

[PFT]

Yeah. It's not a bad idea at this point. And when they. When they fired Tibbs, we reacted to it live on the show. And I think I said, this is a move that the New York Knicks did because it seems they have a plan for who they want to hire. I've never been wronger on a take in my entire life because it did feel that way, where it's like, you don't fire Tibs unless you know what you're gonna do next.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I was so wrong.

[Big Cat]

So wrong.

[PFT]

I was so wrong about that tape.

[Big Cat]

To your defense, you didn't. At that time, if we were working on just the information we had, we didn't know that James Dolan had gotten involved again.

[PFT]

Yes. There was a material Change.

[Big Cat]

That was a big material change. We thought James Dolan was still doing his band and doing other. He had gotten back involved. That's when you know there is no plan.

[PFT]

If you're a New York Knicks fan, the best thing you can possibly do is gaslight James Dolan into thinking that his band is awesome and going to every performance. Have him sell out everywhere he goes. Just use as much of his time as possible. Playing kazoo in his band.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And staying away from the team. Make him think that he's a rock star.

[Big Cat]

Make him have to build another sphere.

[PFT]

Yeah. Where he performed. He has a residency in his own sphere.

[Big Cat]

A James Dolan sphere. Yeah.

[PFT]

And don't tell him that it's. You've created a prison. I guess he has created his own prison for himself to perform his music in.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

But de facto, that's what it would be. You're just keeping him away from msg.

[Big Cat]

Yes. So what. What are you gonna do? Memes? I'm not saying it. What are you gonna say?

[PFT]

You're not saying it now? You have to. There's a.

[Big Cat]

There's a theory that they're crossing all these names off. They're gonna ask everybody, get denied, and then they're going to go back with a Rick Brunson being the coach. Oh, okay. You can't do that. I would not. I think that that's. That's defcon. You cannot do that. You can't. But that's theory I saw out there.

[PFT]

So, memes, what is the. What is the upside for these teams if they hit up the Rockets and they're like, hey, we'd like to interview Ime Udoka for the team? Like, I know there's maybe some sort of draft compensation that could happen, but, like, would you. If you were happy with your coach, like all these teams seem to be. What. Why would you expect them to say, okay?

[Big Cat]

Because it gives those coaches a better opportunity to go win a championship. The Rockets are pretty good this year.

[PFT]

So if I. If I run the Rockets, if I'm the owner of the Rockets, and I get a call from the Knicks and they say, we'd like to interview your head coach, I'm thinking to myself, it's the right thing to do for IME Udoka to let him pursue his goals of a championship. So I'm going to trade him to the Knicks.

[Big Cat]

Well, not. Not IME or Chris Finch. Like, if you're Chris Finch, you wouldn't want to leave a 23 year old superstar. Right. Or even Jason Kidd. You're about to get Cooper flag. Or the fact that they just fired the guy who had the best team in Knicks history in the last 25 years. And they're like, see a buddy. That might also make you nervous to go take that job that James Dolan is now involved. And they kick Tibbs through the door after literally the best year in 25 years. That would make you nervous. But some people say that he reached his ceiling, and then four out of the last five coaches that won an NBA Finals also got fired.

[PFT]

So.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but if they're going to treat him like that, what's going to happen to me? But if other organizations are winning championships and then firing their coach, I think it's just Coach life cycle is just short right now. It's true.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think that's a very fair counterpoint. But also, you're probably looking at this and saying, James Dolan.

[Big Cat]

So you're down for. So Memes is Shane, can you make the graphic? Memes wants Rick Brunson. No, no, put it out. Rick Brunson. I like that. Max had to, like, talk in your ear to get you to the point where you could say that out loud.

[Memes]

Well, he sent it to me earlier, and I was like, there's no way. They're. He's like, that's the rumor.

[Big Cat]

That's the rumor.

[Memes]

And I was like, you got to say it. You got to bring it up.

[PFT]

Where do you get your rumors from? Memes. Where's that? What part of the Internet is that?

[Big Cat]

Or is it your brain? Other Knicks fans. Oh, okay. Ben Stiller's been pedaling in this rumor. No, no, just Nick's Twitter. Timmy C. Hank, are you loving this? Yeah. In loving this that this was their shot.

[PFT]

What name would you.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's. That's. I mean, the roster is coming back. It's not like the Celtics just put their entire team on the trade block. Oh, is that. Did that happen? Legion hoops. Oh, did that.

[PFT]

Tatum is up for trade per Legion hoops.

[Big Cat]

Oh, shit. That was yesterday. That's pretty crazy, Hank.

[Hank]

We knew that was coming.

[Big Cat]

The whole team.

[Hank]

Well, they gotta. It's gonna be a couple of them. You just put them on the block and then.

[Big Cat]

Do you think that was who you trade? You think that was a way for Brad Stevens to, like, not have Jalen Brown mad at him? Because really, it's like, Jalen Brown, but they're like, hey, everyone's available. Like, don't worry, we'll trade anyone but Jalen Brown. He's doing that.

[PFT]

I have a Question for you.

[Hank]

Yes, pft.

[PFT]

What if the New York Knicks hired Brad Stevens?

[Hank]

Brad Stevens is not going back.

[Big Cat]

I'll tell you what. Pft. They gotta @ least make him say no.

[PFT]

You have to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta make him say no.

[PFT]

You gotta make the phone call.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Max is so, so happy that we're. Now we flipped it. He's so happy that we're off. Jay, right now onto Brad.

[Hank]

Brad Stevens is not going.

[Big Cat]

We're just trying to help the Knicks. We're trying to search for a name.

[PFT]

James, don't. Colin has to call Brad Stevens.

[Big Cat]

You have to have him say no.

[PFT]

They're trading fair. Their entire team's on the trading block per memes. So you think Brad Stevens, like, this might be a good time to get out.

[Hank]

Maybe they call and are like, hey, let's talk trade, by the way. You want to coach?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And then he trades all. All their good players to the Knicks, and then he goes to the Knicks and coaches them.

[Hank]

That would be crazy.

[Big Cat]

That would be crazy.

[PFT]

I heard it. I heard it was happening on Legion Hoops.

[Big Cat]

Do you guys want. Do you guys want me to read a headline real quick? I wanted to read a headline for you before we do talk NFL. I just remember we used to do this. Read a headline. DeMarcus Cousins is suspended for the remainder of the season after scratching his balls and making a heckler sniff his hands. Yep.

[PFT]

I had a headline. I had a. I had a lead for you. We read a lead. DeMarcus cousin seemingly scratched his balls and made a fan sniff his hands during a serious altercation that led to suspension for the rest of the season from his basketball team.

[Big Cat]

This is in Puerto Rico, I guess.

[PFT]

Yeah. Yeah. I'd say that's. That's fade on site.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Although it's demarcus Cousins, so you probably can't do anything about it.

[PFT]

The exception of DeMarcus Cousins. Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

I mean, little teaser.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Hank]

The State Farm Barstool Basketball League is. Is currently airing.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

That happens in one of the games.

[PFT]

Yes, it does.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I forgot. Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it is fade on site.

[Big Cat]

It's bad.

[Hank]

It should be.

[Big Cat]

It's bad. Oh, wow. Yeah. That is a great teaser.

[PFT]

So what?

[Big Cat]

Because we had DeMarcus Cousins playing in the tournament.

[PFT]

What did the.

[Big Cat]

That's not.

[Memes]

That's not even the correct teaser. What happened in the barstool? I won't say what happened in the barstool. The State Farm Tournament is way worse than the DeMarcus cousins.

[Big Cat]

Oh, when is the next episode?

[Hank]

June 16th.

[Big Cat]

June 16th. Is game one.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

I'll just say Awls would like to watch game one.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Me versus Hank.

[PFT]

It's gonna be wild.

[Hank]

Wild.

[Big Cat]

Game one wild. That was good teasers.

[Hank]

Thanks.

[PFT]

I still think that DeMarcus Cousins is one probably top 10 guy in the United States that I would not want to get into a fight with.

[Big Cat]

I'd agree.

[Hank]

Him and Zach Randolph always, like, interchangeably.

[Big Cat]

Scary big booty dudes don't move so fast, but it's like they move with purpose and that makes sense. And they're angry. Yeah, they're angry. They're always angry. Okay, do we want to talk a little NFL?

[PFT]

Yeah, let's talk some NFL. I'm excited to talk NFL.

[Big Cat]

I had a couple things. One was the Bengals are being pieces of shit again.

[PFT]

So I've never heard of this since they implemented the new rookie wage contract stuff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So we're talking about Shemar Stewart, their first round pick from Texas A&M, 17th pick in. In the draft.

[PFT]

So he is no longer at OTAS right now.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT]

He's left OTAs, no contract signed. And he left because they're trying to put a clause in the contract that if he gets hurt in the preseason, his money becomes not guaranteed anymore.

[Big Cat]

I think it's a total void of. So it's. It's. It's any. It's hurt or if he gets like, you know, any type of league penalty, you know, like if he gets suspended for anything. And it's not just the year that it happens, it's the entire contract.

[PFT]

And the Bengals are doing this for the. Is this the first time it's ever happened?

[Big Cat]

It's. I don't know if it's the first time ever happened. I know that. I was reading about it. No other rookie in this year's draft had the clause. And then the last five Bengals first round picks did not have this clause.

[PFT]

So.

[Big Cat]

So it is. It's essentially the first time they're ever doing so.

[PFT]

So the owner of the Bengals is like, listen, we paid money to all the wide receivers that you wanted, Joe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Now we have to cut back in other places.

[Big Cat]

But the funniest part about all this is they drafted. Partially. They drafted Shemar Stewart to be a Trey Hendrickson replacement.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And when they drafted Shemar Stewart, they're like, this will put pressure on Trey Hendrickson to hopefully sign because we have another guy on the defensive line. And now they have neither of them.

[PFT]

I would say that Shemar Stewart probably has all the leverage in this situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because. So he can he can literally hold out and just be drafted again next year.

[PFT]

I don't think that's.

[Big Cat]

I was reading about it. I'm pretty sure you could just go back and.

[PFT]

Florio's got the answer to this.

[Big Cat]

Florio definitely has the answer. Unless I read something that was just fan fiction, which I could have. Absolutely. 100%, yes. According to the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, Shamar Stewart, the Bengals first round pick in the 20. 2025 draft, could re. Enter the 2026 NFL draft if he remains unsigned and the Bengals don't sign him by the deadline.

[PFT]

But I thought that the team that drafted you would have rights over you for a little bit longer than that.

[Big Cat]

Let's find another story instead of just.

[PFT]

AI that's just AI. Yeah, let's find.

[Big Cat]

Let's find a story. Florio probably wrote about it.

[PFT]

Zach, your controls.

[Big Cat]

All right. Yeah. I mean, this is Sports Illustrated saying.

[PFT]

It was this article written by AI.

[Big Cat]

It could have been. Wait, wait, wait. Go back to that. Because he referenced Florio. AI Okay. AI Sports Illustrated reference floor.

[PFT]

Okay, so now click on the Florio, because we know that he's.

[Blake Griffin]

He's.

[PFT]

He's a human being as far as we know.

[Big Cat]

You know what?

[PFT]

Let's just. Yeah, call him. Call him. This is above our pay grade.

[Big Cat]

This is. This is. I did see it from more than one person.

[PFT]

Phone calls are back. The AI is going to drive us to having person to person interaction. Person to Florio interaction.

[Big Cat]

My take about AI is you can't trust anything anymore. So you just have to be. Hey, hey, hey. You're on. You're on. Part of my take live right now. We don't trust AI anymore. We don't trust the Internet. If she. Mars. Stewart does not sign with the Bengals. Can he re. Enter next year's draft?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Love it. And any.

[PFT]

Any team can get him and any.

[Big Cat]

Team can draft him.

[Blake Griffin]

Except the Bengals.

[Big Cat]

Oh, except the Bengals. I guess they. That would make like. That would be funny. If the Bengals try again.

[PFT]

I can see the Bengals try again.

[Big Cat]

Wait, are you on the treadmill or something? I'm riding my bike. What's. What's your. What's your calorie count right now? Burned. I just started. I just started. I'm at 3.7 miles. Eight and a half minutes.

[Owen Wilson]

Calories.

[Big Cat]

Calories. Who's. Who's your. Who's your. Who's. Who's your peloton instructor? I know.

[Blake Griffin]

I play Madden.

[Big Cat]

I love it. That's such a football guy. All right, what's the Score in the game. I'm doing challenges to try to make my team better. And you're going to be 60 when I'm already 60. Oh, you just turned 60. Thanks for. Thanks for texting me. Happy birthday.

[PFT]

Happy birthday, Mike.

[Big Cat]

Birthday.

[PFT]

Hey, Mike. Happy Internet Father's day coming up on Sunday. Mike, before we start talking about Debo, do you know. Is Debo fat?

[Big Cat]

Is Debo fat?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know. Okay, good answer. That was a good answer. All right. All right. Keep. Keep at the peloton. That's Mike stud for you. Thanks, guys. All right, bye.

[PFT]

Huge. Huge.

[Big Cat]

Enormous. All right, so we just gotta. We just have to call him all the time now because. AI.

[PFT]

So I would say that, but I was.

[Big Cat]

I did see it.

[PFT]

You're right. You're right. Yeah. Shamar Stewart has all the cards.

[Big Cat]

All the cards. Yeah.

[PFT]

He can just. He can just train for a year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, he obviously that he probably wouldn't be drafted at 17. Maybe not if he doesn't play football for a year. And he obviously would have a full year of not playing football and, and not getting closer to his second contract. So, like, he. That part. He doesn't have all the cars.

[PFT]

He could train to become a flag football athlete and play in the Olympics next year or whatever it is.

[Big Cat]

I, I think the Bengals will ultimately roulette and we side with Shemar Stewart. End the. At this, it seems like the Bengals are trying to be shitty.

[PFT]

I think that the Bengals, they. They paid a lot of money to a lot of players this offseason. And now Mike Brown is like, stressing out and he's like, we got to start cutting corners wherever we can.

[Big Cat]

We got. We got to make sure that if anything happens, we don't have to pay any money.

[PFT]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

He's allergic to paying.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You mentioned something on that call with Florio about Debo.

[PFT]

I did, I did. Well, there was a. You guys, you guys teased it before we started recording the episode.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT]

Yeah, you did. You did. You said debo's fat.

[Big Cat]

I actually have never said he's fat. I said, I saw a video of him. I. You.

[Hank]

I. I was met with pft earlier and he walked in the room and said, do you think Debo's fat?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The only person I think who said Debo is fat is Max, which was.

[Hank]

Usually an indication that you think he's fat.

[Big Cat]

I don't think.

[PFT]

I actually don't know because I don't spend my time staring at Debo's ass like you guys do.

[Big Cat]

I just said I saw a video of Debo. Yep.

[PFT]

I did, too. It's called. It's called an installation, dude. Who do you. Who do you trust more when it comes to breaking down NFL News at ML Football or Tough Climbing or. Greg Kittle?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, listen, I. I don't. I don't know if he's fat or not. Max.

[Memes]

I never said specifically that he was fat. I just referred to him as Fat Diva.

[Big Cat]

That's true. You're right. He's technically. You didn't say he was fat. You just said you've got fat Debo.

[PFT]

And we're pulling up the Hindustan times now.

[Memes]

I also.

[Big Cat]

How'd you end up here? No, no, stay on the Hindustan.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

We want to see it. Yeah, the Hindustan times. Okay.

[Memes]

The other receiver, he's back, right?

[PFT]

Doesn't matter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Reported here.

[PFT]

Well, guess what he's doing.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[PFT]

He's staying in shape on his own.

[Blake Griffin]

Good.

[PFT]

You think he's getting fat too? Memes.

[Hank]

Maybe he's seeing Debo and he's like, I gotta keep up by getting fat.

[PFT]

No, here's the thing. Debo is not fat. He's in great shape. And that was just an installation route that he was running. I also don't think he was that slow. I think that was some. Some monkey business with the camera angle. I think they did him dirty with the cameras on that one. And then I saw the commanders made sure to put out videos of him today looking fast and svelte, and you're gonna get. You know what? Even if you get, I hope that Debo's fat, and I hope that he's still awesome, because fat Debo running through everybody would be even better than skinny.

[Big Cat]

That's facts. Yeah. Fat is. Fat is power when it wins.

[PFT]

However. However he feels most comfortable in his body. That's what I'm. I'm comfortable with.

[Big Cat]

That's good. Pft. Because I didn't want to have our NFL talk be slanted just to talk about what Max called fat Debo. I also wanted to share with you I saw a 2025 QB Countdown top 10 QBs.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

You want me to share it with you?

[PFT]

Yeah. Yeah, let's do it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Where'd you see it?

[Big Cat]

This is from Chr.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Number one, Lamar Jackson.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Interesting choice. All right. Yeah, but can't really use Number two, Josh Allen.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Number three, Joe Burrow.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Number four, Patrick Mahomes.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Number five, Jaden Daniels.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Number six, Matthew Stafford. Number seven, C.J. stroud. Number eight, Justin Herbert. Number nine, Baker Mayfield. And number ten, Jalen Hurts.

[PFT]

I like that list. I've always said that he's got great, great info when it comes to ranking quarterbacks. Listen, that's pretty much.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he put him under the category the truth Hurts.

[PFT]

That's exact. Oh, the truth. That's not good.

[Big Cat]

That's bad.

[PFT]

That's bad for number 10.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT]

Pocket rockets is Justin Herbert and Baker Mayfield. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Surgicality.

[PFT]

Is that a word? Yeah, surgicality. It's like strategia surgicality. I thought that was a singer from System of Down.

[Big Cat]

Oh, and the Core 4 Max. Would you like to comment on that?

[Memes]

I mean, Chris Sims is literally the dumbest guy in NFL news or NFL analyst. So, like, him being this wrong on a take is actually a good thing for Jalen Hurts.

[PFT]

I think he's pretty good when it comes to evaluating.

[Big Cat]

He's had some good. He's had some high main. He's had some, like, good predictions. Yeah, really good.

[Memes]

No, he has.

[Big Cat]

I think he pretty. I'm pretty sure he had Josh Allen top of that draft. I don't know what else.

[PFT]

Big blind spot for Blake Bortles.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that one he was wrong about, but yeah, I mean, he's had some. He's had some hits.

[PFT]

Yeah. Listen, I think that that's a great top ten list right there.

[Big Cat]

I.

[PFT]

Did you see the guy that. That played his newborn son? 54 minutes of Jason Daniel's highlights?

[Big Cat]

I did. I did.

[PFT]

Makes me want to have a kid just so that I can play j.

[Hank]

Another one.

[PFT]

Another one. Chris needs a little brother or sister.

[Big Cat]

Chris can play it for him.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What is playing newborn. Oh, he's just finding us the clip we just talked about. Zach is good on the keys.

[PFT]

I've watched this same video, the one that the baby watched. I've seen this video three times this off season in its entirety.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Blake Griffin]

Great.

[Big Cat]

Security. Oh, no. What. What happened there?

[Zach]

That was my bad. It was the video. I didn't think the audio would go through. That's totally my fault.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Do you think Debo's fat?

[Big Cat]

No. I'd like to see more angles even. I'm not going to judge someone off of one angle. I'd like to see more angles. Bad angles can happen.

[PFT]

People are clip farming off Debo at like the. The sideways slash back angle that you see some of the stomach in the front. You see the big ass in the back. I. He's not fat.

[Big Cat]

Can I say there might be an adjectives that he might be that's worse.

[PFT]

What? What's that adjective?

[Big Cat]

It could be slow.

[PFT]

Hey, Max, pull up. Pull up your Twitter right now. Pull up your DMs.

[Memes]

My DMs?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I sent you a DM in case big Cat said something mean about Debo. I just was asking because I didn't know if this was real or not. I didn't know.

[Big Cat]

I was asking if he was slow.

[PFT]

I didn't know if this was real, but. Is this. Is this the COVID of Madden? No. Is that. Is that the COVID Madden.

[Big Cat]

That is not the COVID of Madden.

[PFT]

I thought. I think, you know, that's not. It's got the Madden logo.

[Big Cat]

What's the picture?

[PFT]

That's. That's a. Right before the Hail Mary again, actually on the COVID of Madam, because I thought this says NFLPA and rated E for everyone.

[Big Cat]

It does look like.

[PFT]

I thought this was the COVID It.

[Big Cat]

Does look like it. It does look like it. But that is not before the Hail Mary.

[PFT]

Debo's not slow. That was an installation.

[Big Cat]

I asked if he was slow.

[PFT]

They were installing his route.

[Memes]

He could be. Also, everyone who's gonna just send screenshots of how fat I am, all the Commander's fans, Just so you know, I know that I. I am like 10 times as fat as Debo. Samuel, we got our fat.

[PFT]

Just that. Debo here.

[Memes]

Just making sure I put that out there.

[Hank]

It's more like two. Come on.

[Big Cat]

Stay out of this, Hank. This is now a three way battle of the Mexican standoff. This is good. Just a little sparring, getting us ready for football.

[Memes]

It's fun. Fat Debo rolls off the tongue. Listen, you have to.

[Big Cat]

I agree. I'm going to defend you here. Fat Debo sounds a lot funnier than slow Debo.

[PFT]

Yeah, it does. And what I'm saying is, if he is fat. In fact, if he's big and he's still awesome, that's the best case scenario.

[Big Cat]

Correct. That's what I'm rooting for. When you win. Fat equals power.

[PFT]

Yeah. If he's scoring touchdowns and running people over and he's fat and his belly's poking out of his shirt. Yep. And he's like. He goes to the sidelines and he's got like mayonnaise on the side of his chin. Like, that's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Agreed.

[Memes]

And I'm fatter. I'm much fatter. I'm. I'm very fat.

[PFT]

Way, way fast.

[Memes]

I am. I am.

[Big Cat]

Oh, what I said.

[Hank]

But maybe faster.

[PFT]

No, Debo, maybe. Debo's not fat, man. He's not fat.

[Memes]

Agreed. Except for fat. I'm gonna fat Debo does sound fun.

[Big Cat]

You got this did all start from two days ago, when Max just out of nowhere goes, you got four fat Debo.

[Memes]

Well, we were. We were talking about Terry McLaurin of whether you're gonna have Terry McClure, and I was like, at least you got fat Debo.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Blake Griffin talking some ball, and then we've got Owen Wilson talking about his new show stick on Apple tv. And then we will finish with fyre fest. Okay, before we get to Blake Griffin, we are brought to you by our friends at Truly. Truly unruly lemonade combines the high elk fun of truly unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade lemonade. Let loose 8% ABV. 100 delicious. 4 supercharged lemonade flavors. Bumping blue raz og original lemonade, punched up pineapple and wild pink. Listen, it's about to be a great summer, and it's about to be a truly unruly lemonade summer. It's perfect for being outside in the summer. Got a truly unruly lemonade in your hand. Golf course, beach, backyard barbecue. It's all there. I'm gonna. I'm gonna probably barbecue this weekend. I'll have a truly unruly lemonade in my hand. Wild pink. No big deal. Absolutely delicious. 100% delicious. 8% ABV. What are you gonna have?

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[Blake Griffin]

I miss you guys too, man. It's been a while. I'm good, you know, just kind of hanging. Enjoying. Enjoying retired life.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We bought a football team together.

[Blake Griffin]

That's right. We bought a football team in Mexico. We're five and one, by the way.

[PFT]

Yeah, you're damn right we are.

[Big Cat]

Fuck yes.

[Blake Griffin]

We got an exciting team and things are looking up.

[PFT]

Yeah. That it starts at the top with ownership.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And so you have to set the tone. We're an accountability organization and the players are responding, so credit to us.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. Anything you guys want to say to the team?

[PFT]

Vamos.

[Big Cat]

I would say good job, team. When we finally do sign the paperwork, actually owning it, and it's not just press announcement, then everyone's job is up for grabs. Doggy dog. Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, yeah. I'm also gladiator style. After the season's over, we throw even the equipment manager. Get in there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Oklahoma drill, everybody.

[PFT]

Yeah. Every spot is up for grabs. I'm kind of a hands off owner. I. I put my football guys in position to do football work and I let them cook, and I think they're doing a great job. You know, like, I've. I've seen a lot of shitty owners over the course of my career as a sports fan. Blake, I don't know if you've ever played for any shitty owners. But hypothetically, if you had, would you have learned a lesson from that owner in terms of how you're going to translate that to football?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I think one lesson that I. If I had played for a bad owner, one lesson I probably would have learned was, like, always know if someone's recording you just because as an owner, you don't know. You know, there's.

[Zach]

There's.

[Blake Griffin]

In this day and age, there could. People can record on anything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

You know, so I don't know, it just seems like something an owner should keep in mind. And also maybe don't. I mean, like, I guess secondarily, don't be. Don't say anything racist.

[PFT]

Yeah, those are. Those are good points. Also, if you're doing a sworn deposition and somebody asks you about your handwriting, don't talk about getting your dick sucked.

[Blake Griffin]

Well, are you in a limo?

[PFT]

It does make me feel good when she kisses on me.

[Blake Griffin]

It's sort of a loophole when you're in a limo. It's like being over international waters.

[PFT]

That's true. What are you up to these days? I know that I. I read like an interview, I think it was in USA Today or something, where you're talking about what you have planned for this upcoming year. You want to share that with our audience? Where can. Where can they find Blake Griffin?

[Blake Griffin]

You can find me on Amazon Prime. Prime video. In. On the NBA, we will have. We'll start out Friday nights. We'll have some Thursday night games. After Thursday Night Football ends, we'll have some Saturday games. Not sure if I'm supposed to give out that information, but I think I can.

[PFT]

I read it. I read it online. Yeah. So you can say it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And who are you going to be with?

[Blake Griffin]

Dirk Nowinski.

[PFT]

Oh, okay.

[Blake Griffin]

Udonis Haslam. Taylor Rooks is our host. Steve Nash will be in and out. He'll be doing some. Some of both. Candace Parker. We got a good group. Got a really good group. Kyle Lowry is going to be our. Actually, that one. That one. I don't know if that one got it now. Damn it.

[PFT]

I didn't read his name, but exclusive to part of my take. Cal, Larry is attached.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Well, you know, he's the player correspondent. Maybe. Maybe in some capacity. I don't know. We've been talking about it. I don't think we. I don't think. Just like you guys haven't signed the actual ownership paperwork. I don't know if he's actually.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Are you gonna Be. Are you the Charles Barkley of this crew?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, probably. Like, very little analysis and like, a lot of. Like, a lot of just. Just. Just digs at players. I'm just going to be making fun of everybody.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's actually. So you retired, what, two years ago? Do you think that's enough time to be like, back in my day, like, listen, we played in the real NBA. Like, this is bullshit now.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, absolutely. And every year, I'll get. My career will be a little bit better. Like, sure. This first year, I'll be humble and, like, you know. You know, this guy's really good. I played against him. By year five, I will be one of the greatest players of all time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could do that. I mean, that was. That happened with Kendrick Perkins when he said he was. He would shut down Jokic, and then they found clips of, like. Like, baby Jokic, like, 19 years old, just dominating him. So just maybe you. Maybe you float it by us first, and we'll try to find it. We'll have our research team be like, can we find any clips of, like, Jokic, like, fucking Blake up? And then, like, no, you know what? No clips exist. Go for it.

[Blake Griffin]

The. I think the only way that Kendrick. I mean, Kendrick Perkins was a Yokage stopper was like, they saw him on the schedule and they're like, oh, you don't need to play tonight, Kendrick. You want to play? Shut him down.

[PFT]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the old head. Blake Griffin on the set. Can we call you Unk Griffin?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, call me O.G. no, I guess, you know, it's kind of O.G. yeah, just call me On Dirk. Is Vine Richtenstein or something? I think. Is that in the literal translation?

[PFT]

I don't speak German, but that. That sounds.

[Big Cat]

Sounds right.

[Blake Griffin]

I'm gonna look it up, and I'm only gonna refer to him as uncle in German.

[PFT]

Do you want. Do you want to do some practice for some hot takes? So, like, we can. We can just do, like, a quick role play? So imagine that this last season happened next season, and the news comes through. Luca has been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Luca Doncic, what's your take?

[Blake Griffin]

You know what my take is? I think that there was a deal done under the table, and I think Dallas knew that they were going to get the number one pick because the lottery is rigged, and we all know that. And I think that, you know, in the grand scheme of things, Cooper Flag has a chance to be an unbelievable player, and you sort of have to make that deal. You Know you shake. Shake hands and you say, thank you, Luca. But with. With the emergence of Cooper Flag. We're all good here.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's good.

[Big Cat]

That's a good hot take. All right, here's another 10.

[Blake Griffin]

That one. Actually, can I just give credit. That one was giving credit to Colin Cowherd when He said, hey, LeBron, we're good. So he's an inspiration, Skip, you know, some of these. Some of the great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, here's another one I'll throw at you. We're in a debate. I think Patrick Beverley is a Hall of Famer.

[Blake Griffin]

I actually. I actually do not disagree with that at all. You look at the scope of work.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I wasn't able to follow the games in Europe early on, and then I did see part of his career in the NBA also, just the way he took players under his wing. You know, it matters how you treat the younger guys, and selflessly. Like, he. You know, when he fired that ball at that lady's head in Indiana and then got it back and did it again, he was saying, you know what, guys? I'm going to remove myself from the league. Now these young guys have a chance to play, and that is a Hall of Fame career, if I know of one.

[Big Cat]

Also, in defensive, our guy Pat Bev, I don't think he played with any hall of Famers.

[Blake Griffin]

Like, guys that are in the hall of Fame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Or no, like, guys who might be in the hall of Fame.

[Blake Griffin]

So it's like James Harden, Giannis.

[Big Cat]

No, I don't think those guys are hall of Fame.

[PFT]

You think Giannis is. No, I don't have chances at, like, a 54 to 56% of making the hall of Fame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that seems fair.

[Blake Griffin]

And by the way, by the time he's done with this season of his podcast, he's. This could be 99.

[Big Cat]

That's true. That's true. Have you. Did you talk to Pat at all after that? I feel like, Pat, that was sick. Come on, Pat. That was like. I. Maybe Pat doesn't know that you're our guy, but I. I didn't appreciate that from Pat.

[Blake Griffin]

You know what? It's okay. I mean, you got. You got. I mean, you guys don't really have to do this, but the podcast. Busy. You got to give these hard takes. Paul George, it's a really good player.

[Big Cat]

He kind of.

[Blake Griffin]

Kind of came at both of us there, and I don't know. I mean, he's a. Pat's obviously a legend of the game, and he's obviously grown the game and made it what it is today. And. And, you know, I respect his opinion. I actually, I think I agree with him. I think he probably gets the nod over myself.

[PFT]

Yeah, I have you in the hall of Fame. That might just be me.

[Big Cat]

Oh, can we get basketball reference updated to have it be four time Blake of the Year?

[PFT]

They shouldn't. Do they have a fun nickname for you, or is that just Prof. Football reference that has nicknames that no other website ever has even thought of?

[Blake Griffin]

I think no, there's. There's, there's nicknames on basketball reference. I just don't know what mine is, to be honest.

[Big Cat]

All right, I'll tell you, we got them here.

[PFT]

I love those nicknames.

[Big Cat]

Brother Taylor, Griffin. That's it.

[PFT]

Oh, no, I don't see, that's it. No nicknames.

[Blake Griffin]

Other guys do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Do you have a nickname?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't really. People would call me just Griff. Bg. This is one of the Clippers announcers. One time, I think he was trying to get something going and I had this dunk and he goes, oh, the Flying Lion. For some reason, that one didn't pick up.

[Big Cat]

I'm looking. I'm looking right now at a Reddit thread, said I've heard him called Blake the Snake. And then that guy said he's also going to do a grassroots nickname for Blake. Gryffindor.

[PFT]

Your Harry Potter guy.

[Big Cat]

That one didn't really stick.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I mean, that one didn't really stick either.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Superior.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's pretty good.

[Blake Griffin]

Easy Blake Oven was an early one that didn't catch on either.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, Flop Griffin.

[PFT]

Oh, that was.

[Big Cat]

Never mind.

[Blake Griffin]

Are you just reading your tweets?

[Big Cat]

No. Here. Oh, someone. Someone emptied the clip. Quake Griffin. Earthquake Blake. Stupid wake. And Blake must see bg. This guy sucks at nicknames. Optima Prime, Oklahoma Hammer. Blake and Eggs. That one guy on the Clipper who dunks a lot. Sky high. Dunkadelic. And that was it.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, like. Like we've heard them all at this point. I actually kind of like Blake and Eggs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I kind of like Blake and Eggs. And I kind of like Earthquake Blake because that's just stupid.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Just Blake of the year. Have basketball reference put Blake of the Year on there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Four time Blake of the Year.

[PFT]

Four time.

[Big Cat]

Talk about this actual NBA Finals. Can the Pacers win this thing? It's crazy. I think I'm officially now, like, Pacers can and maybe will win this thing because I've doubted them. I. I didn't doubt them going into the final or like Leading up to the Finals, I. I love them in the Eastern Conference. I definitely doubted them against the Thunder. I thought the Thunder were better. I thought the Thunder, the way they've beaten teams, like, they're just a superior team. But after game three, it's like, maybe all of the guys on the Pacers, they. They don't feel the pressure. They all contribute, and they have so many options that it feels like the Thunder do not have that.

[Blake Griffin]

That. I mean. So I doubted them as well. I doubted them in the Cleveland series. I kind of. I doubted them in the. I thought the Pacers could beat the Knicks, but I thought the Knicks were going to beat them. I like, also, the Pacers have not lost game one until Thunder. They hadn't lost game one or two all the playoffs. Yeah, they were just running through the tape, and two of those series were on the road. They went to Cleveland, 1, 2. They went to New York, 1 2. They went to Oklahoma City one game one. Like, they're playing with so much joy. Rick Carlisle is a genius. And then also, you just. You're just watching, like, a team who, like, everybody just, like, accepts their role. Not because it was like. I mean, maybe it was, but not because Rick. Carla was like, hey, you can only do this, and you can only do this. They don't play like that. They play free within their roles, and they don't try to do anything else. Like, they know who they are. And also, they don't care what the score is. They could be down 20. They could be down 15, 7. It does not matter. They don't stop playing. And I thought that Oklahoma City maybe was woken up a little bit in game one, where they're like, hey, we cannot take our foot off the gas until, you know, the starters come out and the game is truly over. But the Pacers are doing something incredible. It's a shame that people probably aren't tuning in as much if it was, like, Lakers, Celtics or something, but, like. Like, it's. It's incredible basketball to watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. What are the. What are the Pacers doing differently on defense? Because going into the series, the entire story was Oklahoma City's defense, which is incredible. It's a historic defense. They played really well all season, but last night, especially the Pacers, just made them uncomfortable all the time. They were getting into passing lanes. It almost seemed like they were forcing them into making these bad passes that they were anticipating. So. So from your perspective, like, what changed? What have the Pacers done?

[Blake Griffin]

I thought they. Well, I just thought they ramped up the pressure. They. First of all, they have unbelievable individual deep defenders. They have an unbelievable rim protector. Their schemes on SGA last night seemed like they were taking opportunistic times to double. You can kind of see anytime. SGA kind of had it, and he turned his back. I. I'm assuming that, like, when. And you can see the back of his numbers. Guys had the green light to just run and double and then scramble around. But what we're also seeing in the NBA right now, which is exciting to me, is, like, the days of, like, two superstars and a really good player and then kind of peppering in some guys who can just maybe shoot or do this. Those are kind of over. Like, all the good teams now. Everyone on the floor can shoot, dribble, rebound, pass, defend to a certain extent, right? Like, even, like, obi Toppin. Like, who you would say is probably they're not their best shooter of the guys they play. He was five for eight from three and get one. Like, guys can do everything. You can't have weak links on the floor. You can't have guys that a team can single out on defense and go at them every time. Which is fun to see, like, sort of that change in the NBA where it's like, oh, no, everybody on the floor is really, really good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing. I was wondering about this, and maybe you can explain it to me, because you obviously played for so long, but Chet Holmgren, box score. If you look at the box score, didn't watch the game. You're like, oh, he had a pretty good game. I think he scored. I think he had, like, 20 points and 10 rebounds. But if you're watching the game, it is, like, a big deal that he is, like, so skinny, and Miles Turner was kind of bullying him in the fourth quarter. Can you feel that, like, weight when you go up against a guy who's. Who's 30 pounds bigger than you? Is it. It. Is it a situation where you right now, like, you just feel it and you're like, this is gonna be a long night. I have to figure out something else, because it does feel like he's in a little bit of deep water when he goes up against someone who's 30 pounds heavier than him?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I would just. Like, the playoffs, obviously, the physicality goes up each round, really, for Chet, like, I would say, like, if I was his teammate, I would just talk to him about, like, hey, what are your strengths? What do you do best against Miles Turner? Like, last night, he got his. He got a Three point shot blocked, and then he tried to chase it and get into the lane and like, get into somebody's. But, like, don't. We're not doing that. We're getting space. We're creating space. We're. We're just taking easy floaters. We're not trying to get into the people's bodies and get close to the rim. He's so skilled. I love his game. I think he's a great player. And when you're young, like, he's in his second year, like, he's figuring it out and he'll get better and better. Like, I don't. This isn't like a huge issue. And we do this in the playoffs because there's a lot of time in between games where like, a guy will have a bad game, you're like, he just. This guy just can't do it. But, like, I think he'll be better next game. If you've seen like the other series, like, he's made adjustments from game to game really well and he's. He's done his part. But yeah, I mean, you do feel that 30 pound difference, but just stick to what. Stick to your strengths. Don't get outside of those. Be exactly who you are.

[Big Cat]

And it's a really good point about Chet because he, like, people who will criticize him and be like he's in over his head are also just failing to be like, hey, he's a major contributor to a team that's in the finals.

[Blake Griffin]

You know, like, they got team in basketball.

[Big Cat]

Right? Right. They won. What. What was it, like, 64 games or something? Yeah, something crazy. So that didn't happen by accident. He's just. Now the stage is a lot bigger and they are a young team and I just. I feel like the Thunder just need that, like, second guy to step up more. And SGA did not have a good fourth quarter either. Like, he was not. He.

[Blake Griffin]

He.

[Big Cat]

He either has to be Superman or someone else has to. To be his. His, you know, Robin to his Batman at the end of games.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I mean, listen, for the first time they played on the road and like, kind of that environment. First time they played on the road in the finals. First of all, it's like, it's. It's. It's different. I mean, I, I never did, but from a. From afar, it's different. But like, that's just like the playoff atmosphere, like on the road for some of these guys. It's, you know, it's a little. It's a little tough, but like, they Bounce back, they win game four, they go home, they win game five. Like nobody's having some of these conversations that people are having today about some of these guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Do you think, do you think maybe SGA needs to step up the embellishment a little bit? As a guy who was known for flopping, I mean your nickname was Flop, as we saw earlier. Should he take acting classes? Should he really crank it up in, in game. Game four coming up, I'd like to.

[Blake Griffin]

See him implement some WWE tactics, you know, maybe, you know, put tape over a cut and then when he gets fouled, rip it off. You know, blood coming down. I want, I want more from him, more theatrics. I actually like. People talk about his like selling, selling fouls and stuff. But like he also is so good at it, like, and he, he's in control of his body so well that he like feels something. He's like, oh, I'm gonna do this. And then the other guy presses one step too much and it's just like it to me. It's not like crazy flopping. He's just very good at putting his, his putting himself in the right position to get a foul, which is. Yeah, it's a skill, to be honest.

[PFT]

It is an art form. Like he has taken it to an incredible level. He's very good. He's also very good when he doesn't do that. And I think he's insane. He's a great passer too, when he's just like calmly taking it through the lane. Looking for guys you played with some guards that were always looking to throw you lobs anytime you were close to the basket. Was there one guy that would just surprise you that you'd always have to be on the lookout for? Like, like I have no idea when the ball is going to be lobbed up in the air and I have to jump and go get it. But I need to be 100% ready at all times.

[Blake Griffin]

I've always said, man, Baron Davis was like a master at like just. And he would just let the ball fly like he would three quarter court didn't matter. He would just let it fly. And they were always pretty good passes. Obviously CP is one of the best of all time. But like Baron is kind of like that name that would really surprise you of like a guy who just like can throw unbelievable lob passes and he'll, he'll try anything.

[Big Cat]

When do you. Do you guys ever talk about if. When you're in a playoff series? We always joke like a must win can't lose. Do you think, like, being down to one is. Is there any talk being like, we got to win this game? Do you guys do. Must win, can't. Loses.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't think. I don't think you'd want to say, like, we have to win this game, but, like, like, the sense of urgency is going up. Like, it's understood. Like, we all, like, you all know that we're down to one. Another home game for them, like, gotta go in this game. But no one's saying that, like, hey, we gotta go win this. I don't think. I think it's just completely understood, and guys just know exactly what it is.

[Big Cat]

I feel like I would. I would have to tell everyone.

[PFT]

It's a must win every game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's a must win every time out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Every time down the floor, just yelling at my swimming.

[Big Cat]

Must win this possession. Must do it right now. I got a weird question for you. Your former teammate with the Nets, Kevin Durant, I feel like he just, he's. He's back to fighting people on Twitter, and I think it's a lot of people just looking for a reaction for him from him. But I do also feel this weird tide shifting where people are trying to diminish his accomplishments for some weird reason. Maybe because he went to the warriors and everything. Like, you played with him for a season. You went through wars with him in that playoff series where you guys went to game seven, the toe game. How. How good is Kevin Durant? Like, does he. I feel like he's almost. He's. He's become underrated now after maybe being a little overrated.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I mean, well, according to some, he's probably not a Hall of Famer. Yeah, no, he's. He is the most unaffected basketball player by a defense. Like, there's not anything you can really do to, like, affect his shot. Like, he'll get to his shot. He might miss. It'll get to it. I don't know. Like, I don't know how people feel. I. I do think that he. People kind of go at him for going to the warriors, and those are his two championships. But, like, look at, like, the scope of work and look at how he does it, and look at, like, how easily he does it. He's. He's insanely talented, and, like, he's, he really, like, basketball is, like, that's his thing. He loves it. So I don't know how, if I could say he's underrated. Overrated. I. I assuming that people are just, like, looking for things to talk about. But, I mean, my whole thing with some of these good players, when people start to, like, pepper them. Same thing with Jason Tatum. Like, Jason Tatum is unbelievable. People have not done what he's done at his age. And it's just like. They're just like. You can hate on them for anything off the court, whatever you want, but, like, you can't deny how good guys are on the court.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I think that people, for some reason, they. They, like, let that, like, tout their, like, view of them as players. And also, they don't appreciate what they're doing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, you know what it is? They, like, cheapen it, where they're like, instead of talking about Jason Tatum, the basketball player, they'll talk about his aura and, like, try to diminish him because of aura.

[PFT]

Those people are idiots.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Morons. We would never do that. That.

[Blake Griffin]

No, it's all, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

We wouldn't be like, oh, he laced up his Timberlands. He's got no aura. Like, dude, come on. It's. We're talking about hoop here.

[PFT]

This one guy was like, he didn't even win the. When the MVP of the finals last year. He's not the best player on his team. It's like, do. This person has never watched basketball in their entire life.

[Big Cat]

You're a. I hope that guy doesn't have a microphone.

[Blake Griffin]

I mean, they just give everybody microphones.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Right. And people say whatever they want.

[Big Cat]

Not us. Not us.

[PFT]

I do think they say it to Kevin Durant more because he is active.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

On x.com the everything app. And so he will. He will fire back at people, which makes you feel important for a day. If he responds to you. I think if he didn't. If he was still Burner kd, which. I'm kind of glad that he moved away from the burner and it's just now saying everything with his chest. But if. If he were doing these replies in the burners, I don't think that as many people would be going after him at all. I think it'd be a completely different story. They just want. They want Kevin Durant to know that they exist.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. And it's a lot of people just trying to get a response. But I also think he's so funny on Twitter.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so funny.

[Blake Griffin]

Things he, like, especially when he says stuff at Perk, is so funny.

[Big Cat]

It's also, I. I have a little sympathy, obviously. Kevin Durant's, like, such a massive name and way bigger than anything we've Ever accomplished. But, But I do think that it's bullshit that if someone like Kevin Durant responds to someone on Twitter, everyone's automatically like, you're triggered. It's like, can we not sometimes just respond to people like. That's the point of Twitter, you know?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He just wants to get in the mix.

[Blake Griffin]

He should just start replying by video and just saying his responses on video and kind of do it with like a smile, like, throwaway thing. And then people won't be like, you can't say you're triggered if you look like you're not triggered. True.

[PFT]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, maybe you go to video responses.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The problem is with the Internet is the minute. The minute someone calls you triggered, you're. You're. It's over. Because you. If you say, no, I'm not. Well, yeah, that response is triggered.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So they gotcha.

[PFT]

Then you got triggered by somebody calling you triggered.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Nobody wants.

[Blake Griffin]

So it's a trick. Trigger. Trigger. Inception.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. I, I do have a question about. About the finals. So I've heard a lot of people on TV say that role players play better at home. In your opinion, is that. Is that an accurate statement or is that just something that sounds nice that you can say after the home team wins?

[Blake Griffin]

I think that's accurate to a certain degree. There's some guys who, like, love going and playing on the road. Role player, star player, doesn't matter. Like, there's some guys who just thrive on it. But I would say the majority of role players are more comfortable at home. Yeah, for sure.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Okay. Yeah. What was your, what were your thoughts on TJ McConnell last night? On a scale of 1 to 10 on a blue collar meter, would you put it at like, at 11:12?

[Blake Griffin]

A blue collar meter? TJ McConnell, this whole playoffs is operating at a. Just finished a shift on a construction site. Going straight to the bar with his boys. Staying out all night, going and doing it again. It is a pleasure to watch that. That kid play basketball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like a coal miner out there. At one point, the camera caught him, I think, just screaming out, I'm a dog.

[Big Cat]

Dog.

[PFT]

I don't know if that's. I think you can do that if you're coming off the bench. You can be like, I'm a dog. If you're a starter, somebody that's supposed to be a dog already, I don't think you get to yell that out loud. But when I saw him do it, I was like, he's right.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I agree. And I, You Know what? The word dog is thrown around a little bit too much. You know what I mean? Everybody's got that dog in them. The truth is, we can't all have dogs in us. Then we're not special, you know, and we throw that around like, you know, like it. I don't know. Give me something. That's very common.

[Big Cat]

No, but I agree with you. You should have to start specifying breed. Like, you should be like, I'm a Labrador. I'm a bulldog. You got to do that today.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. I played like a poodle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

But you know what? The other day, I was full Rottweiler.

[Big Cat]

Right. And.

[Blake Griffin]

And by the way. And you know, guys, like, when I was with the Celtics, I was more of a St. Bernard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I was carrying water. I was giving guys some water. I was looking out for people.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Rescuing people lost on them mountain.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

But back in the day. Back in the day. Hey, yeah. Greyhound. I don't know. Something cool.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I don't even know about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

What was. What was Pistons, Blake Griffin. What kind of breed would you have been on that squad?

[Blake Griffin]

Just kind of your every man, your every. Your every dog. Did a little bit of everything. A little seasoned. You know, the hip dysplasia started to set in.

[PFT]

You were air bud.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You were like Air Bud 3.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Everybody. Tendinitis years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I was. Were you happy for the Pistons to finally win a series? That was pretty awesome.

[Blake Griffin]

I was. Man. I really, like. I love Cade Cunningham. I think he's just. He is like a joy to watch play basketball. He's just like. He's kind of like Kawhi in the way where he's just kind of like, just so smooth and always just kind of on this line. Not like game wise, but just like. Like he feels like he doesn't really get flustered and he just makes big shots and you kind of. The camera goes to him. He's just kind of like, yeah, I got it. But it's fun to see them. And they're. They're like a great young team. JB is a great coach. Like, they're. They're going to be. They're going to be good for a while.

[Big Cat]

And by the way, people are going to jump in. They didn't win a series. They won a game which they hadn't won in a while. I think they're going to win a series next year. Like, I think they're building something. Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

That's the progression for sure.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you go through the war, is it. So people got Mad at me because I kept on harping on that with, like, the Rockets this year before the playoffs started, I was like, be like, oh, the Rockets are going to be dangerous. Like, I. That's just not how the NBA works. You have to go through the wars. Did you feel that, like, as a young player, like, you have to take your lumps? There's just something different about playoff basketball. You can't just. It's not just like, oh, we're a young team. We're going to win. We're going to beat everyone.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, for sure. My first playoff series against Memphis, we happen to beat them in game seven. And we got swept by San Antonio. The next year we lost to Memphis. And the next year we finally broke through, we beat the warriors, and then we had the Thunder down and we fell apart, lost to them. And you just kind of keep getting more and more experience. You also obviously keep getting better as a player. But yeah, you're. You're so. Right. Like, there's. There's. You. It's. It's hard to just, like, take that jump from like, never winning a playoff series to, like, Eastern Conference finals.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Blake Griffin]

You know?

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Blake Griffin]

Even the Thunder last year, like, they lost to Dallas in. In the second round. Right. And now this year, like, they. They went through that experience.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

And they're a better team.

[Big Cat]

Pacers went to the Eastern Conference final last year. Like, that was. I know they got. They got bounced. I think they got swept by the Celtics. But, like, that had to be experience that they could draw on when they were going through this year.

[Blake Griffin]

100%. It's crazy that they. They went to the East Eastern Conference finals last year, and they're in the finals this year, and they're still kind of, like, not talked about.

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Now, obviously now in the finals, people are, but it's just like one of those teams where you didn't hear about them all year.

[Big Cat]

Do you know what I think it is? Because I've been thinking about this a lot. I think it's just based on the fact that Tyrese halberton doesn't score 30 points a game. I think not having a guy who's like a 30 point game, you know, or whatever, call it 28 points game. Your best player not being one of those, like, prolific scorers just has people look at you differently.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's probably it. I mean, people always say the small market thing. Like, I don't. I mean, that team is just, like, so solid from top to bottom. So solid. The guys, they Play so solid. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, he's not like one of those, like, crazy flash. He'll have these big games. He'll hit these big shots, but, like, they're not one of the. He's not one of those, like. Like, go get you 30 every night. And, like, it's a. It's a. It's a spectacle, you know?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like an automatic 25, where it's like, oh, okay, well, Luca, or, you know, a. Tatum, all these guys are. Or Jalen Brunson, like, no matter what, they're just going to get 25 in a playoff game. Tyrese Halberton does have games where he scores a little less. And everyone's like, oh, well, how are the Pacers doing this?

[PFT]

I do think that some of it's also the fact that they're leading scorer. I believe their leading scorers. Pascal Siakam.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And he's awesome.

[PFT]

Who's awesome?

[Big Cat]

That's a dog.

[PFT]

And he won a championship.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. But he did it on what a lot of people would say was, like, a boring championship team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And so if it's anybody else that would go to the Pacers, by boring, I don't mean the team was boring. I mean that. Yeah. Kawhi Leonard is boring.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And it's a Canadian team, so, like, to most of America, we're just like. That never happened. But the fact that. That he was. That he's their leading scorer this year, when I think if he came from any other team and had that championship pedigree, I think that it would be looked at like, wow, the Pacers just got a superstar.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. I mean, they got a very, very, very good player in him. He's. I think he's. He. Maybe not this year, now that he's doing this, but, like, I think he's been pretty underrated for a while. And then, you know, after Kawhi left, Toronto had some down years where it was just kind of like they were playing some games that, you know, weren't. They weren't in the playoffs every year. But he is. He is. He's nasty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you picked up a basketball?

[Blake Griffin]

Not. Not too long. I don't. I don't go, like. I don't go play pickup, but, you know, I'll shoot around with my son or something. You.

[Big Cat]

You ever have the. Like, do you ever be like, I could go play pickup and just dominate? Because I. I never understand that. And maybe this is just. Obviously, I'm not an athlete. But if I were that good, I would just go dominate people, like, you know, at the local Y or like a baseball player, like, going to play softball and just hitting fucking. Just bombs off everyone.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. With as many injuries as I had in my career, I feel like if I just look at a pickup game, I'll mark.

[Big Cat]

That's fair.

[Blake Griffin]

So I'm just kind of, you know, I'm enjoying not having surgery the last couple years. That's very fair.

[Big Cat]

Has. Has Joe. When was the last time Joe Missoula texted you asking you to come back or just texted you in general?

[Blake Griffin]

I don't remember the last time we texted I talked to him. Not this season. The last season. You know, a couple times throughout the season. And it was just. It was my time. Time to hang it up.

[Big Cat]

But I love.

[Blake Griffin]

I love Joe. I love that, like, he's. He's got, like, an identity now with, like, the. The. An established identity. He's always had that identity, but established identity with the media, and I just. I love it. I can't wait to see what he's gonna say next.

[PFT]

Y. Yeah, I. I love the fact that he's a psycho, but he owns it. He's like.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. Would you guys ask him about how many times he's watched the town?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. I don't know if he had, like, a straight an. Like twice a week. He honestly watches twice a week. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or the time when he said. I think it was after they won the championship, he, like, wanted to, like, rip apart his house because he wanted to, like, go back to his roots. He's like, I want to just take this door down.

[PFT]

He bought a house with his wife, and his wife wanted because it's a beautiful home, and then they moved in. He was like, I want to destroy this house because it's too comfortable.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

It's amazing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

I love it.

[PFT]

I love that guy. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right, I got one last question. Roback question. R hbk.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take important question. What are you doing to get ready for Blake of the year? We're getting close. We're a month away. I feel like I think Portals is going to be hungry.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, he's going to be hungry. I mean, he's a tough competitor. You know, Brooks, you know, he's going to be hungry as well. You know, he wants a chance to get on the board. I mean, this is arguably one of the best times of The Blake of the year. Just because you got a lot of, you know, you got. There's a chance for parody. There's two dynasties kind of going up head to head, and sometimes people overlook the other guy guy. And that other guy right now is Brooks. And I've just been doing a lot of Blake things and just focusing on. On myself, you know, I think in blow, you can control.

[PFT]

In Blake of the year, you have to learn how. You have to go through battles. You have to learn how to lose first, and then you improve year after year. I think that's exactly where we are with Brooks right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. And, dude, take it from me, you know, that it was heartbreaking when I was serving my country, playing for team USA And I missed. Missed the call that first year, you know, and I. I had to watch for years as portals paraded that thing around all year long. And I just kept. You know, I. I just kept my head down. I said, you know what? You were doing the right thing, wearing the red, white, and blue, and, you know, next year, it'll be your year. And I just kept. I just kept being a Blake.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How's the golf game?

[Blake Griffin]

Not good, but, you know, we're having fun.

[Big Cat]

Well, when you say not good, this is a. I. I've noticed this. All former athletes are. They'll be like, I'm not a good golfer. And then you. Your handicap, and they'll hit you with, like, a six or a seven. Like, that's. You're playing fun golf. What's your handicap?

[Blake Griffin]

I'm not single digits. I'm like a 10 right now.

[PFT]

That's pretty good.

[Big Cat]

That's still fun golf.

[Blake Griffin]

Yes. Yeah. You know what? I've gotten to the point where it's like, I'm not gonna, like, completely embarrass myself. I'll have some horrific shots here and there. But, like, you know, you. You generally know I know what I'm supposed to do. Right. Sometimes doesn't work out.

[PFT]

Yeah. It's a skill set that you have to have after you retire because people will just pay you to show up at their tournaments now.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

It's pretty good life.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, I do want to apologize for one thing. Would you have attended the BECK gala?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah. I got the invite a little late.

[Big Cat]

I texted Blake, and I was just like, I can't remember. I think I was just like, oh, you know, do we have this thing? Or. I asked him, like, if he has this date open, and he replied. And then I was like, I basically, like, chickened out because I was like, I don't really want to invite him because he's going to be like. Like, he's going to be nice because he's nice, but I really don't want to invite him because it's also like a. A commitment to fly all the way to Arizona. So I asked him for the date and he replied, he's like, yeah, I'm free. And then I didn't say anything. And then like two days later, he just. He just wrote back, like, okay, cool. Like I. That up.

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah, I. Yeah, yeah. You know what? Maybe next year.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Okay, maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I just got a nut up. Next year I got to get the dog in me. I was being. I was being a little chihuahua.

[PFT]

You're being a cat.

[Big Cat]

I was. I was being a cat.

[PFT]

Being a cat. Gotta be a dog.

[Blake Griffin]

Big cat. A big cat. The nickname.

[PFT]

Oh, that's good. That's good. That's why you're on TV now. That's why you're doing Amazon Prime.

[Big Cat]

That's why he's Blake Gryffindor.

[PFT]

Yeah, exactly. Hey, Blake, who do you have in the finals? Official prediction, I'm gonna.

[Blake Griffin]

I'm gonna go Oklahoma City still.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Blake Griffin]

I'm gonna stick with my original prediction. I'm not going to change. After a 21 lead, I'm gonna say Oklahoma City. They, they. They got to win game four. Then it's a three game series and two of them are home for them.

[Big Cat]

Sounds like it's a must win.

[Blake Griffin]

It's a must win.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Blake, you're the best, man. Thank you so much. We miss you and we'll see you soon.

[Blake Griffin]

Miss you guys. Thank you.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is Owen Wilson, one of the best actors out there and he's got a new show out on Apple TV called Stick, which I've watched the first three episodes. Awesome show, very excited about seeing where it goes. It is the story Owen, a golf, former golfer, pro golfer, kind of fallen bad, bad times and then finding a kid prodigy that he's going to coach. And three episodes out right now, they come out every Wednesday on Apple tv. So Owen, let's start with Stick. First of all, I read everything about how you basically like had to learn how to play golf, your brothers played golf, your dad played golf, you didn't really play golf golf. Did you get good in learning this role?

[Owen Wilson]

I was already sort of and I remember when I met Morikawa and he said, what's the best club in your bag? And I said, my putter. And I had always done kind of, I'd have kind of putting matches with my dad and so I was already. And that ends up being almost half the game. So I'm okay. Pretty good putter. And then it's just kind of figuring out. Out the other part. And yeah, some days I have it and can do okay, and then other days it's like. It's like I. I feel like I've made no progress.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

If you're playing a. A golf teacher and a golf guru, can you give yourself advice from that point of view?

[Owen Wilson]

Well, it used to seem more like magic when I hit a good shot. Like, how did that happen? And now there's a little bit of an ability to sort of self correct while I'm playing. You have to be careful of too many swing. Thoughts. Thoughts. But my brother always saying, you know, relax your grip. And it is one of those kind of counterintuitive things that I think makes it so hard with golf. The more you kind of bear down and grit your teeth and, like, I'm gonna just crush it, you can be sure you're not going to. So it really is kind of relaxing. And that's probably why golf. Golf, you know, they say, is kind of a metaphor for life. Yeah, I was kind of kidding about it. Seems like the metaphors for life are always things that are really hard.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true.

[Owen Wilson]

It's never like, you know, walking in the park on a beautiful day is a great metaphor for life. It's always something that struggle and that a lot of failure. But, hey, that's because that's what it can be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So. So in getting ready for this role, did you play a lot of golf? Because that seems like a genius move by you. If that was. If that. If that was maybe consciously, like, almost like when Adam Sandler does a movie, he's like, we're gonna do it in Hawaii. So we all get to go to Hawaii. We like, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna play a golf pro, and I'm just gonna learn how to play golf. So I ha. Every time I golf, I'm technically doing work.

[Blake Griffin]

Oh, God.

[Owen Wilson]

I was saying that, you know, just this weekend I was playing and. And there. And I was saying, well, I'm, you know, I'm working. They go, go, but the show's already done. I go, it's never done, you know, because I'm gonna have to come on. Yes. So I would kind of joke around with my brothers. Like, my dad would just get such a kick out of the fact that I kind of got paid to learn how to play golf and that now I was just in Australia, and I went over to this course in Sydney that's like their pebble Beach. And you Know they were welcome me there. So it is really nice that I got to do this show.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

If. If this hits like we think it's going to hit, you might just be known for the rest of your life as a golf guy. They'll get you out to tournaments, be like, hey, Sticks here. Yeah, we're gonna have. We're gonna have.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT]

It's Cahill. And you'll get to just kind of like show up doing golf events and playing golf for the rest of your life.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah, I know when I was working, you know, I love that city, Paris, and I remember when I was working on this movie and Midnight in Paris and thinking like, I hope this, you know, does okay because it would be nice whenever I come here to, you know, so connected with that. It would be nice if that were to happen with this, that I could go to someplace like Augusta and maybe. Maybe be welcomed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. In. When you are making a movie or a show, do you intuitively know, like, this is going to be great? Or has there been any time when you've done it, you've done the movie, you're like, this is great. And then for some reason people watching, they're like, ah, we don't really like it.

[Owen Wilson]

Oh, yeah. I would say you never, you. And I've talked with other actors, you never know. And you wish there was more of a correlation between having a good time and how it turned out, but there isn't. And it's just hard and it's just kind of out of your control. Some things just seem to connect with people and a story and. And then other things just kind of miss. But I mean, you know what it's like when you're flipping through the channel. Like there's a. Some movies when I'm flipping through that if it's on, I always seem to kind of like, I love that movie the Town. And it's like, I'll be going through that's on or heat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

I end up watching the whole thing. It is obviously it feels great when you, you know, work on something that does connect because, you know, you're not making it in a vacuum. You're making it with the hopes that. That people respond. But I do always say that it's a little bit like, I love school. I just didn't like getting grades. You know, my parents would get mad. So I love kind of making stuff I don't like when they come out and like, ah, now, you know, it's like getting grades.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And then you have and Then you have movies that are such hits that do. Like Wedding Crashers was that stretch of comedy, I feel like was. Was kind of the pinnacle for especially we were at time and place. You know, I was in college. Do you, though, ever thought, like, when it came out, did you ever think, I probably have so many copycats now that are crashing weddings. I remember guys be like, let's go crash a wedding. It's like, well, that was a movie. We don't have to go crash a wedding.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah. And then the. The crashing funerals that Will Ferrell. I remember, you know, going to see Animal House with my dad and loving that movie. And, you know, there's that scene where they go to the women's college to, you know, get some dates, and they show up and they saw that somebody had died in a kiln explosion, and they're kind of pretending that that's who they're there to go on the date with. And, you know, I think that led right into that sort of idea in Wedding Crashers for Will's character. But, you know, that movie, I think when we were doing it, I know that, you know, Vince and I felt like we were having a good time with David Dopkin, obviously, that one. I mean, Vince is so great in that. And. And I always think kind of, you know, there's some people like Jack Nicholson, and I think Vince is like this. That if you saw them, you know, just in real life and, you know, they weren't a movie store and you just were around the guy at dinner or at a bar, you'd be like, God, I met this incredible guy who was so funny. Like we all do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I would say Jerry Oconnell's that kind of guy. Guy for us. Right. Like, everyone's got a Jerry OConnell story. You meet Jerry. Instant magnetism. Can't get enough of the guy.

[Owen Wilson]

The. And.

[Big Cat]

And.

[Owen Wilson]

And remind me, Jerry, he was the.

[Big Cat]

The fat kid in Standby Me. He's married to a supermodel wife, Rebecca. Okay.

[Owen Wilson]

But he was also in Jerry Maguire.

[Big Cat]

Yes, yes.

[PFT]

He's a good friend.

[Big Cat]

Kangaroo Jack. Right.

[Owen Wilson]

He played the quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Owen Wilson]

In that. The Kush.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's a good story.

[PFT]

Great guy.

[Big Cat]

That's okay.

[PFT]

Yeah, we love Jerry. He manages a fantasy football team. Oh, co manages or fantasy football team? In Wedding Crashers, there's the iconic football scene. And then I read that you actually, you played flag football right after that movie came out. And your coach was Urban Meyer. So Urban coached you up on the football field.

[Owen Wilson]

Field, yeah. He Did. I can't say he coached me because I don't think he identified me as one of his star players on that team. And I think I was sort of more of an afterthought for him because he'd kind of give a couple of guys like, you know, routes to run. And then I'd say, what about me? And he'd say, I just want you to split right, and just run your ass off. But there are some coaches that, that you know, you connect with and, and then others you got to kind of prove yourself. And I think by the end of that game I did get an interception that, that Urban was happy with. You know, the thing you could also tell because the other coach of that game was Bobby Bowden. And you know, he wasn't really taking it seriously. He was just having fun. But Urban Meyer, you could see this is a competitive guy guy and he wanted to win that game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, he is a very competitive guy. I have a question. It's kind of a weird question. Is it weird as a 40 year old man if I came up to you and I said, hey, own, I loved you in cars. Is that a weird thing? Because my kids love cars. They love all three. But would it be weird to be like, I actually also loved you in cars?

[Owen Wilson]

No. I one time got a nice note from Alec Baldwin because his, you know, he's got a bunch of young kids and you know, they watch Cars and, and there's something about kids where they haven't watched a show once till they've watched it 50 times. So said that like, you know, my voice is just sort of there in their, you know, household is Lightning McQueen. So. Yeah, I mean, one thing that is odd is that now I'm meeting kids for the. I don't know when the first one came out, but those kids could.

[Big Cat]

Years ago ago. Yeah. So they could be in their twenties. Right. So. Right.

[Owen Wilson]

Like a ten year old or something that now I feel like I'm recognized. It's funny to say recognized for an animated movie, but I am, you know, I went to the Rolling Loud music festival and I had, you know, people in their 20s saying Lightning McQueen and Kachow and stuff. And it's odd because those would have been the same kids that, that, you know, 20 years ago their parents would have been saying, this is Lightning McQueen. And the kid would have just been staring like, what are you talking about?

[Big Cat]

That's not like I'm gonna tell my kids tonight that I interviewed Lightning McQueen today. Yeah.

[PFT]

You talked to a car today. Dad, that's pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

Well, tell him I said kachow.

[Big Cat]

I love it. I love it.

[PFT]

I, I read an interview that you did where you said that some people say that you've spent too much time watching sports in your life. What's, what's too much? How much sports do you watch?

[Owen Wilson]

I, I just, you know, I feel like during, like, football season, it's just kind of unbelievable now. Kind of. Well, I mean, you're always going to watch, you know, the Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night, and then there's going to be, you know, a couple on Sunday, so. And then there's college. So you're just putting in a lot of time watching. And then I'm not in fantasy football, but I'm in a league where with, you know, like eight friends where you pick games and that can get very competitive and. But I don't consider it, you know, I was joking about that. Finally doing this golf show, it gives me a thing to be able to say, oh, that wasn't wasted time. It was all feeding into playing this character. But I never really did consider it wasting time because you could say anything's a waste of time. I just, just, I don't know, I love watching those ESPN 30 for 30s. I love watching those football lifes, you know, the baseball films. I just was watching, you know, the Fernando Mania one. And it brings back, you know, memories of Sports Illustrated was a big thing when I was a kid and like, my dad getting that. And I mean, there's, I think, a reason why sports salaries just keep going up. It's because you can't duplicate that kind of, you know, excitement and drama that, you know, that you saw just as recently with Rory McElroy at the Masters. I mean, how much of, you know, a feeling did that give you that day, watching it? I mean, that was brutal. I wanted him to win so bad. And three different times I gave up on him. Oh, that's it. It's over. And then when he finally wins, it didn't look like somebody who had won. It looked like torture, like he had just been through a gauntlet, which, of course he had. So, you know, I mean, I guess that's just what makes, you know, sports so watchable. Or just the tennis open that they just had.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

Five set where, you know, and I actually, even though I like Alcaraz, I bet on Sinner to win and. Oh, I've got this. Well, no, you don't have.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

And that's just kind of because a lot of times you you know. You know, that. That kind of.

[Blake Griffin]

It's.

[Owen Wilson]

I think we love stories. And so that was a great story we watched on Sunday between those guys. And you don't know how it's going to end. And it's got you on the edge of your seat. And that's what, you know, any good book or movie or TV show is trying to deliver. And that's what sports just has.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So who are your teams? Who you root for?

[Owen Wilson]

I root for the Red Sox. Cause even though I grew up in Dallas, those, you know, my parents were from Boston and my grandparents, and those were the first games that I went to. And then the Cowboys.

[PFT]

Huge.

[Owen Wilson]

I was very happy to see the Dodgers win. Win the World Series. And we went to that victory parade downtown. But I've kind of, you know, we didn't really grow up with hockey. My older brother, you know, his last two years of high school, went to Massachusetts and played intramural hockey and said, had we grown up in a hockey place, he said, it's an incredible sport and we would have played. But I get into watching, you know, hockey now, too. I think that that's like, even if you were sort of, you know, someplace like England, you know, you spent enough time and there's, you know, nothing else on, you'd start to get into cricket. You know, it would just happen.

[Big Cat]

I. I got a question about Wes Anderson. Your partnership with him, obviously, all his movies are iconic and. And great to watch. And you. You've known him since your days in college and, you know, Bottle Rocket and all. All throughout. All of them. When you're. When you're filming it, though, what does it look like on set where it's like, you know, the end product's going to look so different and visually appealing in this unique style. Is it. Is it. Does it feel different on set when you're doing a Wes Anderson movie?

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah, it definitely feels different. First of all, just the way you're making it feels different because everyone's living in the same place and you're all having dinner together, and it ends up being just kind of a nice sort of way to make something because you're sort of like a little family. Usually when you're making, you know, movie or show, people have their trailers and you're staying in different places. You might not, you know, see much of each other other than at work. And that's not the way it's happening on Wes's movies. And even something like, you know, kind of. You do kind of hair and makeup and. And Then throughout the day on a normal movie, they're coming up and adjusting things. They're coming up once at the beginning of the day, and you kind of get your own sort of wardrobe ready, and then the rest of the day, there's no sort of, you know, interruption. So it is kind of a unique experience making one of, you know, his movies. And I think that's probably why he's able to get all these great actors that want to be in it, because, you know, it's not like they're maybe getting paid the way they might on another movie. It's because they want to be part of that experience. And again, back to what we were saying. If you have a chance to work on something that connects with people, that's a great feeling. And if you're doing one of his, your. Your chances are maybe better.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they are. They are great movies, and they are iconic. What is. What is the worst. Worst pitch that you've ever gotten for a movie? Like, the easiest. No. That you've ever said.

[Owen Wilson]

Well, I can't even say. Just dismiss something out of hand as a, you know, bad pitch. Somebody was just saying, I think they were sort of kidding. What about you and your brothers playing the Manning brothers? And they were just kidding.

[Blake Griffin]

Part of me.

[Owen Wilson]

Part of me's like, yeah, I'd like to do that, and I'd like to be Peyton. I feel like I connect with him as a middle.

[Big Cat]

Middle.

[Owen Wilson]

As a middle brother. So I think they were sort of joking, but I kind of am like, ah, maybe there is something to that.

[PFT]

Yeah, I'd watch it.

[Big Cat]

I would watch it, too.

[PFT]

The problem is, I think everybody would want to be Peyton.

[Owen Wilson]

No, I don't think so. You know, Cooper is. He's a great character. He, you know, might be the funniest of the three, and. And he has a great story. He is great, you know, college. College player, and then, you know, had some sort of health thing. So that's kind of a moving, you know, character arc. And then Eli with those, you know, two sort of two for two Super Bowls taking down the Patriots. You telling me you don't want to play that character? Come on.

[PFT]

There's a lot of meat on the. But I would watch that movie for the record.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah. And then let's go to the patriarch, you know, and then we also have a role for kind of a, you know, the hot shot rookie with Arch now at ut.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in.

[Big Cat]

How. How. How's your relationship with the word wow been over the Years. Has it, has it ebbed and flowed where people. I would imagine there's probably was a time where you're like, all right, enough. I don't, I don't need to hear people say this to me on the street all the time. And then you get to a point where you're like, all right, it's kind of cool that, like, you know, I'm, I'm recognizable and I've, I've, I've, I've been in people's brains at some point.

[Owen Wilson]

Well, I think you just nailed it exactly what you just said. Sometimes it's. First of all, I wasn't aware of it till it was sort of, you know, I think it was already sort of an Internet thing. And then I remember the first person kind of showing. And they were a bit tentative, I think, because they're sort of, you know, how would I react? And, yeah, I didn't realize, obviously, that I was saying it. And now I definitely am a lot more careful. But, you know, if I did have to pick a word, that's not a bad word to be associated with. And I remember Beck did a song called Wow a few years ago when they were talking to me about coming out on stage.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, if it makes you feel better, someone did the math. You've been paid $1,300 per.

[Owen Wilson]

Wow, that's it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Owen Wilson]

Well, then, then I sometimes will get sort of not bitter, but I'll sometimes say, I wonder if some of these Internet people doing this, they can't find some other words that actors have said a lot. I bet there's a lot of other words.

[Big Cat]

That's a fact. Yeah. No, but you're right.

[PFT]

Well, well is a good one.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah. But somehow I'm. I was about to say it careful.

[PFT]

I, I, I, I know that I've noticed that you don't want to say it, which I, I completely understand.

[Big Cat]

I appreciate I said it.

[Owen Wilson]

I did say it once. That's how aware of it, you know, just said it when I said, you know, Beck has the song. And I'm like, okay, then they'll add this to the list.

[PFT]

Now it's spelled W. Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

And a lot of times, actually, they'll have it sometimes, you know, when I'm doing like a voiceover, some animated thing, but I've changed it from that into whoa.

[PFT]

So if I heard you say whoa in person, I would actually be furious in that moment. I'd be like, what?

[Big Cat]

Really?

[PFT]

What is whoa?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What the hell's wrong with him? All Right. Well, Owen, I have one last question. Again. Everyone go see stick. Apple TV. It's awesome. New episodes every Wednesday. My ras. Last question. Roback question. RHOB a c k.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. So in stick, you have some celebrity guest appearances. Our good friend Max Homa. You have Colin Morikawa, who's been on our show. Great guy. Is there a specific golfer that you now are rooting for? Because golf is one of those funny sports where guys kind of root for, like, they don't really have maybe one person they ride with, like, team sports, but is there one person that you like going forward? You're like, I'm really rooting for that guy now.

[Owen Wilson]

Well, you know, they talk about, like, didn't they say, like, the Sports Illustrated jinx? Like, you know, somebody could be on the COVID and then not do well? Well, I've noticed that, you know, gosh, all the guys, like Keegan, Bradley, he's doing great, and Morikawa, and then Max was just, you know, doing great. That. Oh, wouldn't there be a great thing if it was, like, the opposite, if there was, like, the stick bounce that some of these guys got? So I'm. I'm rooting for all those guys to do well. And then, you know, Rory was kind of, you know, like I said about that Masters. I wanted him to win so bad and was so happy with that. But, yeah, I. I definitely now pay attention. And it's funny, we were talking, like, Max, you know, just right when I met him and when he did kind of the scene, he has kind of a funny energy, and that guy kind of has a quality, you know, back to how we were kind of talking about, like, yeah, that guy just kind of has something that's kind of comes through and, you know, is very comfortable and natural in a. In a way that you like to watch.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah, we love Max. I feel like. Like, I feel like Price Cahill could. Could help Max out right now. Like, get him. Get him in the zone. I feel like that's a good. A good combo. Because Max is such a good guy, you can't help but root for him once you meet him.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah, yeah. Move over, Manning pitch, and we might have to move into the. Yeah. Price and Max Homa teaming up.

[PFT]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

I like it.

[PFT]

Price Cahill, by the way, is a great alias.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Do you have. Do you have good aliases? Like, when you go on the road Because I feel like you just burned one with Price Cahill.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Owen Wilson]

Price Cahill is like, I mean, somebody was saying the other day that had to have been a real golfer. And they were looking up because it sounds like the ultimate golf name. But no, you know, I think the Ramones, like, they. They got their name because that was Paul McCartney's name that he would use at hotels, was Johnny Ramone, and that's how they kind of got their name. But no, I've never. I've never had, like an alias that I've used.

[Big Cat]

No, you're. You're Lightning McQueen. You don't need an alias.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, well, Owen, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it and great show, and I'm excited to see where it goes.

[Owen Wilson]

Yeah. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

We got fire fest of the week. Henry.

[Hank]

Yeah, another great week. I do have a fire fest. But this, this was one of those weeks we talk about how, you know, fake life of a job. It was this week. Monday, we got a dog, we golfed. Charity golf outing, Stella Blue. Tuesday, we woke up, we came in dressed up at as the fruit from Fruit of the Looms for a commercial.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

That was ridiculous.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Wednesday, for work, we went fishing for four hours.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

And tomorrow we're waking up and playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's a pretty good. I was actually put it that way.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's just a preposterous, preposterous week.

[PFT]

I was very tired on Wednesday when I got home and I, I went home and I acted like I just got out of a shift at the coal mines. And I, like, put my feet up and I let out an audible, like, groan, like, oh, it's so good to kick my feet, feet, feet up for a second. And then I thought of the itinerary of what I did that week to make me tired. And I was like, I'm not actually tired. Yeah, I'm not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, my, my biggest complaint this week was that I just forgot to put on suntan lotion when we fished. Like, man, this is tough. I got a little burnt. Good life. Good life. Yeah. We're very appreciative of the life we have.

[Hank]

Great life. And at the, at the golf outing, I was chopping it up with Jersey Jerry before, and he's like, oh, look at the, this broomstick sweeper putter I have. And I, you know, was like, I'll post a video of it. You know, people, the golf, golf purists out there hate, you know, people using the sweeper putter. Understandably so. It looks ridiculous, especially for someone who's as bad of a golfer as myself. But I was like, yeah, you know, I'll use it for the video. It'll be funny. It'll get people riled up. And then I, like, was putting as, as good as I ever have. And I've just been battling wrestling with myself on if I'm going to actually use it in real life. And I think I feel like I have to. But I know, understandably so people are gonna be like, that guy is the biggest douchebag of all time.

[PFT]

Let's make a pros and cons list.

[Big Cat]

Pros good at putting.

[PFT]

Maybe you might be better at putting.

[Big Cat]

Or good putted. Putted well once. Yes.

[Hank]

Yes.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Hank]

Could be the difference.

[PFT]

Maybe any other pros?

[Hank]

No. Cons. Douchebag. People notice you from far away, like on other greens being like, who is that douchebag? Who's that douchebag?

[Memes]

Pro engagement. Whenever you tweet videos of yourself doing it.

[Hank]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

Con people might think that you're really short using a regular size putter.

[Hank]

That's not a problem for me. Yeah, it's not a problem. I don't ever really think about like. And people gonna think I'm short if I do X.

[Big Cat]

But that was same projecting there.

[Hank]

Same con people, if they don't think you're a douchebag, they're gonna show. Assume you're a good golfer.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You have to be good with that.

[Hank]

Right.

[Big Cat]

You can't. You cannot break that up and three putt everything.

[Hank]

Right. But I at least have to. To feel it out. But it's like we got the Ryder cup coming up. I just don't know. I don't know. I'm. That's the worst part of my week.

[PFT]

How good were you with it?

[Hank]

Really good. I felt as confident as, you know, I ever have putting and I hit some really good putts.

[Memes]

PMTV coming out today.

[Hank]

Yeah, PMTV coming out today. So is this is the big cat Hit a picket. Hit like a 40 footer with it.

[Big Cat]

I did.

[PFT]

Is the broomstick butter? Is that for. For players who are young, in their primes.

[Hank]

I think it's just like. It's just they invented it. It's for people when they're going through. Going through with the putter. It's like, oh, you know, try the broomstick.

[Big Cat]

I think people who just suck at putting, they get better with it.

[PFT]

I've. I've always thought like for olds.

[Big Cat]

No, I think it like it. It does make it so there's less like you.

[Hank]

You're not breaking your wrist.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You can't go crazy with it. You just. You just do like. Yeah.

[Hank]

You don't break your wrist.

[Big Cat]

It's very easy.

[Hank]

Easier to have a straight line on the ball.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Hank]

But yeah, I'm probably. I'm definitely gonna use it Friday and we'll see from there.

[PFT]

You're gonna experiment's Friday.

[Hank]

I'm golfing. It's my birthday.

[PFT]

Happy birthday.

[Big Cat]

Happy birthday. Oh, yeah. This is your birthday episode.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

I mean, it makes sense. You're getting older. You're using the senior tour putt.

[Hank]

I don't. It has nothing to do with age.

[Big Cat]

If I need you for the yak.

[Memes]

I was all you just saying it's my birthday as if you weren't going to golf.

[Hank]

Well, that was. That was defense. That was yak defense. That was yak defense. I would say if you need me for the act, it'd be my birthday wish if I could.

[PFT]

Not your birthday wish. We should all get birthday wishes on this show.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So. So fire fest is just. You're found a putter that you're awesome at putting with.

[PFT]

Yeah. But it makes you look like a douchebag.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Pft.

[PFT]

I was gonna say my fire fest is that Hank is turning 32. So that makes me old.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[PFT]

I mean, every. Every year Hank gets old. That's really when I feel. I don't feel old at my birthdays. I feel old at hank's birthdays.

[Hank]

Yep. 7. There was a 7 year. Someone posted there, I think Big cat posted the seven year anniversary of the objin.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

That was like seven years.

[Big Cat]

Holy.

[Hank]

Well, here's a fun fact, though. The job of a male objin, ob GYN is to. Is to mansplain.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God, Hank.

[Hank]

Oh, it's ob gyn.

[PFT]

Obstetrician. Gynecologist. Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, how the are you supposed to, like, know that? They didn't put any periods in between the letters or anything.

[PFT]

When's the last time you got your pap smeared, Hank?

[Big Cat]

Hey, confirmed. Hank does not have a vagina.

[PFT]

Anyway, very unhealthy.

[Hank]

One objin is to mansplain women's bodies to them. Therefore, their job as guys on chicks. Big Cat and PFT are practically doctors, so.

[PFT]

Okay, yeah, I'll take it. I'm an objin.

[Hank]

Yeah, we're getting to that point where it's like. That was X years ago.

[PFT]

Yeah, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like the 10 year of us at the Blackhawks Lightning, Stanley cup final, fighting the hot dog. I was like, 10 years old. A long time. And that. And. And when that happened, it felt like we had been doing a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 40 is the new 20 when it comes to romance because you've got time, wisdom, and experience on your side. Oh, good job, Zach. That's good. Nice. Your 40s come with a certain type of confidence in who you are. Can't be emulated in your 20s. So, Hank, congrats. You're 40.

[Blake Griffin]

32.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

And at this stage in life, you're. You're feeling out what makes you feel like a man. Now you've got the long putter and it's pride month, and you should feel happy about experimenting with that. Love is love.

[Big Cat]

Hell yeah. Yeah. Pots.

[PFT]

My other fire fest was just going to be that. I. I've had an all time week of bad fits. Big, bad fit. Is this just.

[Hank]

You're trying to get a compliment?

[PFT]

No. Of what?

[Hank]

Your fit today is phenomenal.

[PFT]

Oh, thank you. No, I was actually not fishing for a compliment there. I was just saying I've had some bad fits this week. Hand up. I got roasted by Max on Monday because I was wearing the. The wildest. Admittedly, it was a wild outfit. It was piecemeal together as I was in Milwaukee and I had a.

[Big Cat]

What?

[PFT]

What's that?

[Memes]

Max, technically, I didn't roast you. I just said you were. You were wearing an outfit that you normally would wear. And I liked the outfit.

[PFT]

Yeah, it was. This is the most PFT outfit of all time.

[Big Cat]

That's a compliment.

[PFT]

Yeah, it was a compliment.

[Memes]

I. I said I love that PFD threw out this first pitch in the most PFD outfit of all. Compromise is there. There's no. There's no roasting in there at all.

[Big Cat]

That's a comprom.

[PFT]

They kept just adding layers to it that they would give me. They're like, here, okay, here's a. Here's a jersey you can put on. Okay. Here's a giant straw hat.

[Memes]

The hat was.

[PFT]

Giant straw hat that you can wear. And then big cat shared with me that his daughter might have thought that I was a woman the other day in a picture.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. I showed my kids.

[Hank]

That's nothing do with the fit.

[Big Cat]

No, that was. That was just looks. Yeah, I showed. I showed. I showed my daughter a picture of PFT and I on the boat for the. For the fishing tournament, which will come out, I think in July. And she was just like, oh, you went fishing with our. With our nanny? And I was like, nope, that's my friend Pft. You've met him many times.

[PFT]

Yeah. It's okay. Listen, the hair was down. It was blowing in the wind. I get it. I looked hot a lot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So I can see why you might be like, okay, yeah.

[Big Cat]

In my house, the only bar stool people that are recognizable for my Kids are a great trio. Stu, Finer, Max and Jerry. Yeah, those are the three that get asked about all the time.

[PFT]

Although I did. I did hear a story from earlier today that Megan brought her kids to the office and they thought you were Rico.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, and then Megan. But then Megan was like, like, you're gonna get me fired. To her son and her son. I was like, no, you're. You're not her son, like, started to freak out.

[PFT]

That.

[Big Cat]

That was like, oh, my God. Mom just lost her job.

[PFT]

That is the. That is the funniest mistake to make, though, for Big Cat. Be like, oh, it's Rico Bosco.

[Hank]

Is this a guy that found my phone number and is getting mad at me for surviving?

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT]

That calls the schools.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was very funny. All right. My fire fest. I am am currently trapped in my own personal Barstool After Dark episode, and I don't know how I'm gonna get out of it. So I for people don't know our Barcelona After Dark great series that Tate does. And it's basically. It's torture. It's a punishment. You can't.

[PFT]

You lock yourself in hell for challenge.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he and he and Oldie did. Was it 12 hours at a golf course trying to get two bunker shots. Two bunker shots. You. Why are you Googling Barcelona? I know what it is. No, but. So anyway, I got a new basketball hoop for my kids in my backyard and was. It's able to go down so they can actually make shots now. My son has taken a liking to basketball, which. Awesome. Like, so pumped for it. The problem is he every day. And this started on Monday or Tuesday, whatever it was, he wants to make a certain amount of shots, and it keeps doubling. That's good. It is. But, like, tonight I'm about to go do 80. I don't know. 160 is going to be daunting. And then doubling it again. So I'm just in a Barstool After Dark challenge.

[Hank]

Well, you can start.

[Big Cat]

We got 40. No problem. It took, you know, a little bit of time, but we got it. No problem. But. And. And he said, like, when I dropped him off at school somewhere, he's like, we're hitting 80 shots. And I was like, yeah, yeah, done. I don't know what I'm gonna say with 160.

[PFT]

At some point, the math is going to be complex.

[Hank]

Every shot's worth X point.

[Big Cat]

True, true. But he really wants to hit 80 shots. And we're going to hit 80 shots. We're going to do it.

[Hank]

That's Good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, I. I'm. It's not. It's the doubling forever that's going to be a problem. We're going to just have to figure it out how to maybe come back down and. And land on a number that we. We can. We can hit all the time or.

[PFT]

Just have a prodigy introduce the concept of the 34 zone.

[Big Cat]

That's true. He could just be a prodigy. I'm gonna probably say no, but maybe never know that. What is it, 10,000 hours?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, by next week, we will have to do 10,000 hours to hit the, you know, 20,000 shots he wants to hit.

[PFT]

That's like The Beatles had 10,000 hours of practice or something like that to achieve mastery.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'll be there. We'll be there in no time.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Zach, you have fyre fest for us?

[Zach]

Yes, sir. I've got a quick one. It was just going to the costume store earlier today.

[Big Cat]

What happened? This is for what reason?

[Zach]

Dungeon and dragon costumes, to be specific.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

So I was. I was tasked with going to make sure I get you guys the correct costumes, you know, right sizes, good look good, good costumes. We made it to the Chicago costume place. Shout out to Max for driving. That was awesome. He's great behind the wheel. What happened? I just had some oversight. We get in there, there's way more costumes than I first expected. And so that almost led to no costume. Like, it was. It was so overwhelming. Like, there's a lot on those. I don't know if you. Have you ever been there?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Insane amount of costumes going on in Chicago Costume.

[Big Cat]

Well, it. It is a costume store.

[PFT]

Two levels.

[Zach]

There's a second floor.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

How many. How many costumes were you anticipating?

[Zach]

Maybe like one wall. Maybe wall the wigs, wall the costumes.

[PFT]

Like, when you go to Spirit Halloween, where.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Where do you sh. Where do you shop for clothes?

[Zach]

Clothes usually either Amazon or let's say you go to the Gap or a Gas.

[Memes]

Significantly smaller than.

[Big Cat]

Were you about to, say, the gas.

[Zach]

Station just for T shirts? Sometimes.

[Big Cat]

That's it. Okay. All right. Respect. Sorry for cutting you off there. But, like, you go to the Gap. Are you like, this is just too many jeans.

[Zach]

They only got like four or five different styles costumes, each costume just specific style. So it's like going to the gap and seeing 1500 styles of pants.

[Big Cat]

Okay. How long.

[PFT]

How long did you spend at the costume store?

[Zach]

It had to been like 35, 40, 40 minutes more.

[Memes]

I think it was. I think we had 52 minutes.

[Big Cat]

52 minutes.

[Zach]

We're there way too long. I didn't. I had a timer set to make sure I was going in and out quick. But then I had to put my phone in my pocket because. Because I was holding the costumes.

[Big Cat]

We didn't get the first costume till minute 35. What happened between 0 and 35?

[Hank]

We did leave it open ended for him.

[Big Cat]

I know, but like you could have just grabbed anything.

[Zach]

I didn't want to mess up open ended. And then I pick up a few. I went with a theme.

[Hank]

A costume would have. Would have. You can't. As long as you get a costume. Yeah, we can't be open ended, Bill.

[PFT]

So you had to go. You had to pick the theme first and then you had to pick the costume for each person under that theme.

[Zach]

I was thinking theme a couple of times. But then we're going size bound. So then we're like, well, we got to make sure we have enough that that means that the people can get into the costume. So that was a couple.

[Memes]

You got too stressed out about the theme. So at one point I did give him the guidance of like, just so you know, there doesn't have to be an exact theme.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Memes]

We do.

[Hank]

There almost never is.

[Memes]

Yes. That's kind of what I said.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, the only time we tried to do a theme, we actually screwed up and got our communication cross and we all were Shredder and Hank.

[Zach]

Theme locks it into four or like four to six costumes that you. You're not. That's probably all in the same row. Once you open it up to individual costumes and we're back to all 1500. We're hitting the vintage underneath. We did leave with the right amount of costumes. I just don't know if you guys are gonna like them, but we'll have to. It is what it is there. What's done is done at costume store. If I could have gone back, I would have done some more plan. And I'm sorry that we had you guys there longer than expected. There's also a cat, so allergies are flaring up. It was a whole thing. I feel terrible about it. But luckily we left with six.

[PFT]

Are you confident? Confident heading into tomorrow? I'm already stressed out.

[Big Cat]

I've.

[Zach]

I'm not confident in costume selection to be.

[Big Cat]

Can you give us. Give us one costume you picked up. Don't say for who, but just say one costume.

[Zach]

I got a Ringo Star riding a. Being a professional bike athlete.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what? Wait, what? Ringo Star.

[Zach]

It's Ringo Star. If he entered the Tour de France, that's not bad.

[Big Cat]

It's easy. It's easy.

[PFT]

Easy.

[Big Cat]

Okay. That's the easy one.

[PFT]

I like that one.

[Big Cat]

That's a good one.

[Memes]

That's my favorite one.

[Hank]

It sounds like. Pft.

[PFT]

No, I was gonna say it sounds like Hank.

[Memes]

There's one that's someone's knock that I don't think someone will be happy.

[Hank]

That's me.

[Zach]

That was.

[Memes]

I'm not going. I cannot confirm nor deny that sounds like.

[PFT]

Zach was looking at some costumes and then Memes was like.

[Memes]

No, no, no, no.

[Big Cat]

We filmed the entire thing. We, we gave him no guidance and. Yeah, right.

[Zach]

In my defense, I didn't realize that.

[Hank]

Just pointing the camera like if, if we did.

[Big Cat]

No, we did that with Max and a Snorlax guy. If Max and Memes weren't there, Zach, would you still be in the costume store?

[Zach]

Hopefully not, but I would have probably been there for a little bit longer.

[Memes]

Definitely would have. Well, the other thing was we had an interview at 2:30 and that's when it would like, I, I, me. And memes kept going like, you're good, you're good. Like, take your time, Take your time. And then it came down to it and it was like, if we don't leave right now, we will be late.

[Big Cat]

We will be late.

[Memes]

The interview started at 2:30. We showed up back here at 2:27.

[Big Cat]

Oh my God, Zach.

[Zach]

That's bad.

[Memes]

It was good.

[Big Cat]

It was good.

[Memes]

It ended up being very good.

[Zach]

There was a miss. There was a misstep in the costumes that I didn't quite realize until we were in the car on the way back though. So that's. That's on me.

[PFT]

What was that misstep with the car.

[Memes]

Costumes we'll talk about. That's the one. That's the one.

[Zach]

We'll have to workshop that later.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Someone may be on.

[PFT]

That's the one that Hank's gonna be upset about.

[Big Cat]

Well, thank you for going to get the costume, Zach. Yeah. Yeah. Well, DND episode will come out week of July 4th. So get, get excited for what? Costumes?

[Blake Griffin]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And how's the diet been going?

[Zach]

I really redownloaded fitness fitness pal. It hasn't been going good. Tracking the calories up so we're in the right direction.

[PFT]

Sucks.

[Big Cat]

It's it.

[Zach]

You become like a servant to it. It's like it controls your entire life.

[Big Cat]

It's terrible.

[PFT]

So bad.

[Hank]

And everything has its way too many calories. That's when I found out grapes were carbs.

[Big Cat]

What did you track?

[Zach]

Just a sausage and pepperoni pizza.

[Owen Wilson]

Full pie.

[Memes]

He Was like, I put it in the full pie. It was. It was sad to see how many calories are in a full pie.

[Big Cat]

But.

[Zach]

It'S good to remind yourself the next. Next day how much you ate. Like, hey, fat ass, don't do that again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How many calories was in that?

[Zach]

It was like. Like 2700 calories.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

In the pie.

[Big Cat]

Put that down.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Okay, so I'll know tonight to eat better when I pull it up. Like, oh, you did the pizza yesterday.

[Big Cat]

When was the last time you pulled this? You pulled the Zach.

[Zach]

The. What day was that going into? Probably four days ago. I hit the McDonald's.

[Big Cat]

You hit the. You hit the Zach. I think that's got to be once a week.

[Zach]

It can't. My pant, man. I'm just running out of clothes.

[Big Cat]

We can't do it once a week. Hit the Zach.

[Zach]

Oh, you want.

[Big Cat]

No. Again. What?

[Zach]

I'll hit it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, hit it.

[Memes]

I do have to say one thing. This is more of a psa of a personal fire fest. And then we can do numbers. I have become allergic to my own dog, and it's a huge problem in my life.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're gonna lean a Dunham?

[Memes]

No, the dog is staying. But if there's any recommendations out there, I would love to hear what I can drill.

[Big Cat]

You can't sleep now. This is an interesting, interesting turn of events because I think it was just Monday that you were like, hank is the only anti dog person on this show. No. And you're like, I'm pro dog. I have a dog. And that happened right after. Right? This is.

[PFT]

Your entire body is anti dog.

[Memes]

I am so pro dog.

[PFT]

It's in your blood.

[Memes]

I am like, I have just accepted for the rest of my life that I'm walking back into a prison of allergies.

[PFT]

Are you getting itchy? Are you sneezing?

[Memes]

I'm sneezing a fuck ton my throat. So in this. There was a cat at the costume store, and I was having an allergic.

[Big Cat]

Wait, so this cat took down two members apart of my team?

[Memes]

No, it was just me that was. That was having the problem with the cat.

[Big Cat]

Wait.

[Memes]

Zach started to feel really bad because I started to get super allergic to the cat at the costume store.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Zach, I thought you were allergic to cats.

[Zach]

No, we were just in there way too long, and then his eyes were flaring up, and the cat was like. It was upstairs, it was downstairs. It was free roaming. And then I could just see his eye.

[Big Cat]

His.

[Zach]

I could see his face. But you just getting destroyed by the cat.

[PFT]

You definitely made it seem like you were having the reaction of the cat.

[Big Cat]

Me?

[PFT]

You just. You just took that bullet for Max. You're a good guy.

[Zach]

Yeah, I felt terrible. Terrible for his allergies.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

No, but that's just my life now, so.

[Big Cat]

Any.

[Memes]

I just bought, like, a fuck ton of air purifiers for my apartment. If anyone has any tips. Of what? Because I. I'm obsessed with my dog. There's. There's no ch. That is not an option of not having the dog. So I need to figure out solutions to not be a prisoner inside of my own home.

[Big Cat]

I got one.

[Memes]

What?

[Big Cat]

Don't be a pussy.

[Memes]

I know. I. Every. Every single day I get home and my. I, like, start crying of allergies, and I'm like, stop. Stop it. Just be. Just be fine. And then I'll literally get so allergic, and I'll be like, this isn't a problem. And then I'll go, like, put my. I'll go, like, snuggle with my dog and put my face, like, on my dog.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then it'll. It'll be a huge problem. But I'm like, it's not a problem. It's not a problem.

[Big Cat]

All right, so you're actually handling it like a man. I appreciate that.

[Hank]

What if you shave? Give it a haircut. Oh, shave.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Hank]

Shave the dog.

[Memes]

Dog bald grooming. I have thought, like, maybe like, a short. Like a shorter haircut.

[Big Cat]

What about.

[Memes]

No, that has nothing to do with it.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, because you get the dog hair caught in your beard, so maybe just soul.

[Memes]

That has nothing.

[Big Cat]

Now.

[Memes]

Now I. I thought I was gonna get good tips. Now everyone's just gonna tell me to shave so bad.

[Big Cat]

I heard no one with a soul patch has ever been allergic to a dog. But that might be AI.

[Memes]

But also I. We should call her floor allergic. I never was allergic to this dog.

[Big Cat]

Dog.

[Memes]

And then summertime. Now she.

[Big Cat]

Now.

[Memes]

Now I'm allergic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you might. I don't know, man.

[PFT]

Maybe you need to get you might tips. You might need to get more dogs.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yes. Beards can sometimes enhance allergies by trapping allergens, but only if they're not kept clean. Wow.

[Memes]

Keep.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Memes]

That mean. That means I just have to wash my beard more?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but. Or shave it.

[PFT]

Most people would say shave.

[Memes]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

No. Think about how easy it would be to wash your soul patch.

[Memes]

Any, like, real awls out there who don't want to. Real tips would be appreciated because real.

[PFT]

Tips only real tips.

[Memes]

Because I'm just at the point where now I'm just. I'm just spending. I'm just spending.

[Big Cat]

So we need. All right, so just in summation, because we're gonna do numbers in a second, but we need real tips only for Max's allergy problems. And no pictures of him being fatter than Debo. Yeah.

[Memes]

Tomorrow's gonna be a bad.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna.

[Memes]

I'm not gonna look at. I'm not gonna be online tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

Set yourself up twice. Oh. All right. Number three. Oh, I think that was Hank.

[PFT]

Birthday. Your birthday wish.

[Big Cat]

It's birthday boy.

[PFT]

My birthday wish. I'm gonna use it in advance. Is for Hank to get number three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. What do we got? It's like. Oh, they're looking at the levels.

[PFT]

It's so close.

[Big Cat]

But someone's got to be the winner.

[Hank]

Ty goes the birthday boy.

[Memes]

Yeah. Tank.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Tank. What would be your backup number? Six. Okay. Is that your guess? Yeah. Okay.

[PFT]

I'll go 33.

[Big Cat]

I'll go 68 for Brooks.

[Hank]

What a finish.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Class.

[PFT]

You didn't get sweeper putter.

[Big Cat]

Not.

[Memes]

I don't know, 30.

[Big Cat]

37. 37.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Zach]

99. Puck 17.

[Big Cat]

51. 21. Good luck, Hank. Happy birthday.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

You. If you get this. 34. Everything.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[PFT]

So close.

[Big Cat]

So close. Damn memes. You are never going to get it.

[PFT]

All over this ball. Love.

[Big Cat]

Never.

[PFT]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

You do.

[PFT]

Sa.

[Big Cat]

Sam.