Brian Windhorst, All American Rejects Lead Singer Tyson Ritter, Knicks Save Their Season, Thunder 1 Game Away From Finals, Recapping The Sports Weekend + Jordon Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take Episode Summary

Title: Brian Windhorst, All American Rejects Lead Singer Tyson Ritter, Knicks Save Their Season, Thunder 1 Game Away From Finals, Recapping The Sports Weekend + Jordan Of The Week
Release Date: May 27, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Dan Katz)

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1. Welcome Back and Weekend Recap [03:49 - 04:04]

The hosts kick off the episode by sharing their weekend experiences. PFT Commenter announces he's quitting golf, a decision met with light-hearted banter from Dan and Hank.

• Dan Katz: "How was everyone's weekend?" [04:04]
• PFT Commenter: "I quit golf. So that's huge." [04:00:01]

2. NBA Playoffs: Knicks vs. Pacers Series [04:35 - 09:09]

The conversation delves into the intense Knicks-Pacers playoff series characterized by dramatic comebacks and tactical gameplay.

• Dan Katz: "Knicks, who last night were the first team in the playoffs ever to have three victories where they were down 20 points in the game." [05:18]
• PFT Commenter: "It's been the entire playoffs for both these teams, too. And also the Thunder had that comeback where it was the second biggest in NBA playoff history." [05:18]

Key Highlights:

• Carl Anthony Towns' Performance:
  • "He scored 20 points in the fourth quarter and was like, 'I'm Carl Anthony Towns. I'm big. Purr.'" [06:16]
• Coaching Decisions:
  • Dan Katz: "Tibs changed the starting five by putting Mitchell Robinson into the lineup, signaling a shift to a more defensively capable team." [07:34]
• Game Dynamics:
  • PFT Commenter: "If they're losing early, they're probably going to win, making the fourth quarter highly entertaining." [08:38]

3. Thunder vs. Timberwolves Game Analysis [09:09 - 33:01]

The hosts transition to discussing the Thunder's pivotal game against the Timberwolves, highlighting strategic plays and player contributions.

• Dan Katz: "The Thunder won with their offense, thanks to Shea’s 40 points, Jalen Williams’ 34, and Chet Holmgren’s crucial block." [28:15]
• Brian Windhorst: "The Thunder took the series very impressively and have the potential to be dominant for the rest of the decade." [32:03]

Notable Quotes:

• Brian Windhorst on Team Building:
  "Anthony Edwards and Chet Holmgren are key players who have taken significant steps forward." [32:03]
• PFT Commenter on Series Momentum:
  "NBA Conference Finals team with a 3 to 1 lead wins the series 93.6% of the time." [31:22]

4. Hockey Update: Carolina Hurricanes [19:53 - 21:58]

A brief segment covering the Carolina Hurricanes' performance in the Eastern Conference finals.

• PFT Commenter: "They had to make a statement at home, and it was an impressive win by the Thunder over the Wolves." [20:04]

5. WNBA News: Caitlin Clark Injury [51:07 - 55:50]

The hosts provide updates on the WNBA, focusing on Caitlin Clark's ankle injury and its implications for her team.

• Dan Katz: "Caitlin Clark is out for two weeks with a herniated disc, which is a significant setback for her team." [55:50]
• PFT Commenter: "Caitlin Clark is developing nicely, but her injury could impact the team's performance." [55:54]

6. Who's Back of the Week [43:54 - 58:43]

A fun segment celebrating returns and comebacks within the sports and entertainment world.

• Hank: "Freebird's back, and Anne Hathaway is supporting OG Anunoby with endorsements." [43:55]
• Dan Katz: "Anne Hathaway is back, showing her support for athletes like OG Anunoby by posting on Instagram." [48:31]

7. Monday Reading: A Tale of Mushrooms and Spaghetti [55:00 - 57:10]

A lighthearted story shared by Dan about Hank's husband inducing a profound experience through a large dose of mushrooms, leading to unexpectedly excellent spaghetti sauce.

• Dan Katz: "His husband took 12 grams of shrooms and claimed he was an Italian chef in a past life, resulting in the best spaghetti sauce they've ever tasted." [55:00]
• PFT Commenter: "This guy's going to be Aaron Rodgers' personal chef with that sauce!" [57:10]

8. Interview with Brian Windhorst [108:23 - 106:36]

Brian Windhorst joins the show to provide expert analysis on the NBA playoffs, specifically focusing on the Thunder's strategies and the Knicks-Pacers series.

Key Discussion Points:

• Game 3 Recap:
  • "The Thunder won the game impressively with strong offensive plays from Shea, Williams, and Holmgren." [65:27]
• Player Injuries and Impact:
  • Brian Windhorst: "Aaron Neesmith's ankle injury is a significant X-factor for the Pacers." [94:55]
• Coaching Decisions:
  • Windhorst: "Tibbs' decision to play 15 different lineups in Game 3 was a tactical move due to multiple players in foul trouble." [80:32]

Notable Quotes:

• Windhorst on Team Resilience:
  "The Thunder have shown they are teetering on a monster that can't be stopped." [72:33]
• Discussion on Draft Lottery:
  "The Thunder secured the third pick, ensuring their position for future team building." [74:18]

9. Interview with Tyson Ritter [108:23 - 139:33]

Tyson Ritter, lead singer of the All American Rejects, shares insights about his band’s intimate concert series and the challenges of the music industry.

Highlights:

• Concert Series Initiation:
  • "We started doing house parties because traditional venues were either booked or too expensive. The response has been overwhelmingly positive." [108:39]
• Challenges in the Music Industry:
  • Tyson Ritter: "Visibility is everything now, and authenticity shines through, especially in the age of streaming." [114:07]
• Band Dynamics and Growth:
  • "Our first song, 'Swing, Swing,' really put us on the map. Navigating label changes was tough, but starting the podcast helped us define our career path." [117:28]

Notable Quotes:

• Tyson on Authenticity:
  "Authenticity is so permeable and perceptible now. If something's bullshit, it screams bullshit." [114:07]
• Dan Katz on Music Evolution:
  "When you evolve in this genre, you might lose some fans but gain new ones." [123:34]

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Conclusion

This episode of "Pardon My Take" offers a deep dive into the current NBA playoffs, with expert analysis from Brian Windhorst shedding light on pivotal games and team strategies. The hosts balance intense sports discussions with entertaining segments like "Who's Back" and relatable Monday readings. Additionally, Tyson Ritter provides an insider's view of the music scene, highlighting the importance of authenticity in an ever-evolving industry. Whether you're a sports enthusiast or a music lover, this episode delivers insightful commentary and engaging stories that resonate well beyond the game.

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Note: Timestamps are approximate and based on the provided transcript.

Transcript

[Dan Katz]

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[PFT Commenter]

Great to be back.

[Dan Katz]

Good to be back with the boys.

[PFT Commenter]

What a good weekend, too.

[Dan Katz]

Great weekend.

[PFT Commenter]

Weekend.

[Dan Katz]

A lot of sports. It's just good to see the boy. How was everyone's weekend?

[PFT Commenter]

It was great.

[Hank]

It was awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I quit golf.

[Dan Katz]

Nice.

[PFT Commenter]

So that's huge.

[Dan Katz]

That's welcome.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, it feels good.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Hank, you quit, too, On Mondays.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he's. He's back this week. Max, how was your weekend? Great.

[Max]

I had a great weekend and I'm. I'm bringing back golf. So you're. You're quitting? I'm. I'm starting.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, wow. It's a one in, one out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, memes. How was your weekend? Because guess what the real start to the show is the New York Knicks might be back.

[Tyson Ritter]

My. My weekend was great. I didn't. Didn't do much, but it was great. I'm working on getting jacked right now.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, hell yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Nice. Nice.

[Dan Katz]

What about the Knicks being back?

[Tyson Ritter]

They're almost back.

[Dan Katz]

Almost back.

[Tyson Ritter]

They were back last night.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, they were dead last night, too.

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah, they were also. They were so dead. Tibbs was fired in the first half.

[Dan Katz]

So. So let's start with this because. Knicks, Pacers. I love this series so much. It is so chaotic. Both teams are basically hell bent on playing the most chaotic brand of basketball, whether it be the Pacers doing the thing where three times these playoffs, they've been down seven points or more under a minute and won the game. Or the Knicks, who last night were the first team in the playoffs ever to. To have three victories where they were down 20 points in the game. They did it twice against the Celtics. They did it against the Pacers. They just can't play normal basketball. And I absolutely love it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been the entire playoffs for both these teams, too. And also the Thunder had that comeback where it was the, what, the second biggest in NBA playoff history.

[Dan Katz]

That was when Jaw got hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's just been the cr. It's been the year of the comeback.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. So this game, though, I mean, Carl Anthony Towns, that's the guy. It was. I love him so much. He's so fun, and I know that he's. He's kind of captured the Internet of. Of being zesty. And there's always some people who feel like they're making from. I just. I love the fact that he's like a unique character. Yeah, he's totally different than it seems like all the other players. And then last night in the fourth quarter, Jalen Brunson in foul trouble. Carl Anthony Town's like, you know what? I got to do this. And he scored 20 points in the fourth quarter. And he was like, you know when. When Carl Anthony Towns is going to that next level where he realizes, oh, yeah, I'm seven feet, I could just go to the rim and score on these guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he was so he was also hitting threes.

[Dan Katz]

He was, but he had. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where he puts his head down and he just goes at people. And he yammed on a few folks yesterday.

[Dan Katz]

It feels like the. The threes happen. He can get into that groove of threes after he reminds himself like, oh, yeah, I can drive on these guys. He got like a big and one. And it almost like unlocks something in his brain. He' like, I'm Carl Anthony Towns. I'm big. Per.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I think what he likes to do, he likes to hit a three because he just holds his hand up in the air for like 10 seconds after.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He loves, like a full spin around with his hand still up. He realizes occasionally that after he dunks on somebody, he can also celebrate after that. And then once he gets fired up, then it's like they. You don't know how to defend the guy in that situation. But with Tibs, Tibs was forced into playing his bench, which he didn't want to do.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

But everybody got in foul trouble, so Tibbs is like, okay, I have to do this. And it turns out that the bench was really, really good, at least defensively.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And it also is very funny because he changed up the. The Knicks Starting five was historically bad defensively, and that was the storyline going to Game three. You have to change something up. So they put Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup. I like how he did it, where he basically was like, Josh Hart, you're not starting. Which Josh Hart said afterwards, it was his decision. So instead, Josh Hart would just sit for the first, like, four to five minutes of the, of each half and then play the rest of the half.

[PFT Commenter]

Was because they can't do hackamich.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right. If you can't do hackamich when he starts. Yeah. And. But Josh Hart, he is, I mean, he's the heart of the team. That's a very bad pun, but it's the truth. Like his rebounding and his grit and Jalen Brunson was sitting on the bench for this comeback in the fourth quarter, and it was just, it felt like the Knicks had a moment. I don't know what happened in that, in that halftime, you know, locker room speech, but their season was over. It was. They were going to quit. It was over. They were going to go outside and then they found something and it was Carl Anthony Townsend, Josh Hart in their bench. And they're back. And I, I don't want. I mean, obviously we have to see what happens with game four, but this series has played out with three games. The, the margin of the difference between these two teams is two points. So it's not like. It's not like the Knicks got blown out in the first two games. Then they win game three. Like, they are very much in this series. And to have that, like, resiliency and comeback was awesome. And they, they had. All the jokes are being made on Knicks fans. Heads in the first half.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, these two teams are so similar in that if they're losing early, they're probably going to win.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And so it makes for a very, very entertaining fourth quarter.

[Dan Katz]

Watching the fourth quarter yesterday, I actually had the very dumb thought in my head of the Pacers were down like four with about 250 left. Hank's having a sneeze, sneeze gasm. And I thought in my head, the Pacers aren't down enough. Yeah, like, they're not. They have to. When they're, when you're down four, you're playing possession by possession. They need to be down like 10 for them to win this game.

[PFT Commenter]

So what was that stat, that the Pacers have never won a playoff game on the Indy 500 afternoon?

[Dan Katz]

They've. So they've hosted their own four, four Eastern Conference final games. On the same day as the Indy 500 in their own four.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Tough.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, very tough. Shout out. The guy who won the Indy 500, Paolo Alex Palau.

[PFT Commenter]

Great job, Palu. Yeah, good. I'm. I'm happy for you. That seems like such a fun race to go to. I wish that we'd stuck around for.

[Dan Katz]

I was good.

[PFT Commenter]

Just going two days in the Snake Pit.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think that's good. I thought we had enough time.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I'd like to do one day in the Snake Pit during actual race day.

[Dan Katz]

I. I was good. I feel like I got my Indy 500 experience.

[Hank]

I can't wait to hear your story from here.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Cars went fast.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, it really is. It's about being drunk around loud things. Yeah, I would like to do that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. No, going to NASCAR events is fun. Going to Indy 500 is fun. But I was. I think I'm good.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's just that I would like to be drunk around as many people as possible who are also as drunk as I am, which we did do. What I'm.

[Dan Katz]

The coke lot was. Is the peak of drunk.

[PFT Commenter]

It is intense. Yeah. But, memes, congratulations on your next coming back from the dead. Very happy for you. What are you. What are your thoughts on the comeback happening when Jalen Brunson was off the court?

[Tyson Ritter]

For some reason, the series, they're just playing better without him, but it's a team game.

[Dan Katz]

That's weird.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you say that the Knicks are better without Jalen Brunson this series?

[Tyson Ritter]

This.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what. That's literally what he said.

[Tyson Ritter]

This series, they have been playing better without him when he is off the court.

[PFT Commenter]

It's interesting.

[Hank]

He did hit that. That layup.

[Tyson Ritter]

He did hit the layup.

[Dan Katz]

I was.

[Hank]

I was ready to.

[Dan Katz]

You. Oh, you were. You were standing by, standing back, standing.

[Hank]

By, written out, ready to go.

[PFT Commenter]

What would it. What would your tweet said if you had put it out?

[Hank]

Are the Knicks better without Jalen Brunson? I think you got to ask that question.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you still have to ask it?

[Dan Katz]

No.

[Tyson Ritter]

He's the closer.

[Dan Katz]

He is.

[Hank]

He did kind of close the game.

[Dan Katz]

He is the closer. But it was. It was the Carl Anthony Towns and. And. And shout out Dominican Mother's Day. I liked that he'd said that after. I mean, he obviously lost his mother tragically during COVID I also read an article of Carl Anthony Towns. It was written by a beat writer in Minneapolis. The day that he got traded. The next day before he flew to New York, he had Agreed to go to this beat writer's daughter's soccer game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And he went to the game in full Timberwolves gear after he had been traded and was like the. Everyone was coming up to him being like, so sorry, we like. But that was the type of guy, like, find me another superstar that's like, I just got traded from the only franchise I've been on and I'm going to stay an extra day because I'm going to. I'm going to stay with my commitment here to go see like 10 year old soccer game.

[PFT Commenter]

Good dude.

[Dan Katz]

He is a good dude and I'm very happy for him that he had this moment. He's the big per.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I like that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So other things. Aaron Neesmith got hurt. That was bad. I feel like he's very important. That's not overstating it. I wonder what his status is going to be. We'll talk to Wendy about that.

[PFT Commenter]

He's up in the air.

[Dan Katz]

Questionable, I think was what I.

[PFT Commenter]

Game time decision is what I saw.

[Dan Katz]

We also had big news that Tyrese Halberton's dad has been reinstated by the league.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

He'll be at the game on Tuesday night in a suite. So he's not allowed to go courtside, but he's going to be in a suite. And this could be a game changer.

[PFT Commenter]

So if it goes poorly, I'm fully ready to flip on his dad.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been. I've been the number one Halliburton father supporter of all time. And in this case, I feel like it could be very, very good for the Pacers, but if they get. If they get their ass kicked at home, I'm fully ready to just flip and be like, you got to ban this guy again.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. No, I completely.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's like game to game.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Depending on what they do. The most recent time at home, either he's welcome and they give him like a. A pregame ceremony.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or he's not allowed inside the arena at all.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. He's cheering for his job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

He put out the graphic. He's cheering for his job.

[PFT Commenter]

This is a John Halliburton legacy game.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, absolutely. He. He needs to. Speaking of legacy games, our. Our friend Stephen Shea had a legacy game because he went down to Indianapolis to watch Snicks. He said, I'm. I'm here for business. So I put it all on him memes. You said, I will suck you off. Quote to Stephen Che.

[Tyson Ritter]

I. I was.

[Dan Katz]

Was that taken out of context?

[Tyson Ritter]

What was that was just Guys being dudes.

[Dan Katz]

It was Stephen Chase said, no smiles, all business. It's a game three. I'm here to save the season. And you just replied, I'll suck you off.

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah, he saved the season.

[Dan Katz]

That.

[Tyson Ritter]

That's just a guy put himself for the team. He's for the team.

[Dan Katz]

I'm.

[Tyson Ritter]

I'll be for the team.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, did you say this before the game or after the game?

[Tyson Ritter]

After the game.

[Hank]

You didn't say if. Like, that's just a. That in whenever he wants.

[Dan Katz]

That was a statement.

[PFT Commenter]

It was a reward for winning the game.

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah, and if he goes to game four, it will double down.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I do think that anything you say within 30 minutes of a big win, that's like talking to a lawyer.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no, this was the next morning.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it was the next morning.

[Dan Katz]

The next morning said, I'll suck.

[PFT Commenter]

So you had. You had a night to go to bed thinking about stuck sucking Stephen Che off.

[Dan Katz]

He got horny.

[PFT Commenter]

You had an overnight where you could have dreamed about sucking him off, and you woke up in the morning and you chose sex.

[Tyson Ritter]

No, no, no.

[Dan Katz]

It was.

[Tyson Ritter]

It was. It was after the game.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, you're right. It was.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Yeah, my bad.

[Dan Katz]

It says PM I thought it was AM.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you get a little grace period. Like. Like talking to a lawyer. Whatever you say to your. Your husband or wife, you know, inadmissible in court. If you say it after a big win, you can't be persecuted for it.

[Dan Katz]

I got a question, Memes. So everyone knows the schedule this week. We're doing Tuesday. We're doing a show today that's coming out Tuesday, and then next show will be Friday. So two shows this week. You have Tuesday night off. We live three hours away from Indianapolis. Why don't you and Stephen Shay go to the game? You could suck them off there.

[Tyson Ritter]

I would love to.

[Dan Katz]

Why don't you pft and I will buy you tickets. You and Steven Shea. Tickets to the game. Game four. Sure.

[PFT Commenter]

But you have to suck them off.

[Dan Katz]

You have to suck them off if they win. Roadhead on the way down.

[Tyson Ritter]

All right, all right.

[Dan Katz]

So you're in?

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah, I'm in.

[Dan Katz]

What if he can't go? Are you going to go?

[Tyson Ritter]

I. I can go by myself.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. There's another go with Tom.

[Tyson Ritter]

Lay could go with Tom.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so memes not on the wood.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you going to. Are. Are you going to suck Tom off?

[Tyson Ritter]

Won't suck Tom off.

[Dan Katz]

Someone's got to come here. It probably be you if you win. All right, so memes will be there all right, so should we. I mean, should we send. Should we send, like, Pug down there?

[PFT Commenter]

I think Chronicle.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think we. I think the boys need to go to Indy. I mean, I'm. I'm down. I think the boys need to go to Indy. We should tell Jerry o' Connell to come. Yeah.

[Tyson Ritter]

Me, Pug.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, what a trio that would be.

[Hank]

You always see Tim stuck around town.

[Dan Katz]

Who, Tim? Tim Chalamet. Oh, Timmy C. Timmon. They're showing a lot of Timmy C. He does look cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he looked pretty cool.

[Dan Katz]

He looked like Pete Weber. They are showing a lot of them.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what's not fair? When a guy is that good looking, where he tries to look ugly on purpose and he somehow gets hotter.

[Dan Katz]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

That's. I also like my costume. My. My culture is not your costume.

[Dan Katz]

I also was thinking about it because they were showing a lot of them, and I was like, this might be a little too much Timmy C. And then I realized, you know what? I'm gonna have Timmy C's back. He's the only one who went like, where was Larry David? Where was Ben Stiller? Where was Spike Lee? So they have to show him.

[PFT Commenter]

Where was Turtle?

[Dan Katz]

Where was Turtle? Where's Jerry? Yeah. So Tim Chalamet is the only one that gets credit here, and they might have to go ISO cam on him, but that's because no other Knicks fans.

[PFT Commenter]

Went, wait, should we try to get Turtle to go with him too?

[Dan Katz]

We should try to get Memes with Tim. Shalom.

[PFT Commenter]

I might hit up Turtle.

[Dan Katz]

Steven Che Memes, and Tim Chalamet sitting on the wood. What a trio that. The pussy patrol. Holy.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think tickets for the wood cost?

[Dan Katz]

It's actually probably not. I mean, it's. It's definitely expensive, but it's not. It's not like LA or New York.

[Hank]

20K.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's okay. We're out on the woods. I love you, Memes. I don't love you that much.

[Tyson Ritter]

I was just.

[Dan Katz]

I wouldn't sit on the woods.

[Tyson Ritter]

Are they actually considering the wood?

[Dan Katz]

No, that's. That's insane. Hey, we'll look up game time. I mean. Yeah, no, I. Listen, I. I wouldn't pay 20.20k for a wood seat. If the Bulls were in this, I would not. That's so much money for one game. But, like, you. You could lose. You could lose the game.

[PFT Commenter]

But if you win.

[Dan Katz]

That's true, but it's not even a clinching game.

[PFT Commenter]

I would almost rather have somebody else go to it than me go to that game. If it was my team.

[Dan Katz]

Right. All right, wait.

[PFT Commenter]

You're part of the loss. If you're on the Wood, we can.

[Dan Katz]

Find you the get in price isn't terrible. So we'll get. We'll get you in. All right, We'll. We'll. We'll schedule that whole thing. Picks. Yeah. Game time. Picks. All right. What else? So we're watching the end of the Jerry curse.

[Hank]

It was curse on the Wood. I mean, we. We should bring that up.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, yeah. And he also got clowned by Charles Barkley on Friday night.

[PFT Commenter]

He did.

[Dan Katz]

He said, you can't be a grown man wearing a jersey. Jerry can wear whatever he wants. Yes. He looks good.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Charles is just self conscious because he. He can't pull off a jersey he can't fit in. But Jerry can.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, no, Jerry looked good.

[PFT Commenter]

Have you seen his wife?

[Dan Katz]

Jerry?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Really good looking.

[Dan Katz]

Follows us on Twitter.

[PFT Commenter]

Jerry does. Okay.

[Dan Katz]

DM'd her.

[PFT Commenter]

Me too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I think she's gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

Did she writes. Did you write you back?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. She was like, no funny business business. I was like, I don't know what the funny business business would even be, but.

[PFT Commenter]

But she's thinking about it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I. I feel like she was hitting on me, actually, now that I'm saying it out loud.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? I feel so strongly about not DMing her. I might just tell her, like, here's my number so that we can text instead. The DM thing is kind of weird. I'll be honest with you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want to be deeming another man's wife. We'll just talk about it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a good idea.

[PFT Commenter]

FaceTime only.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so the. Looks like the Thunder are going to go up 3:1. The game on. What was that? I've lost track of all days. The game on Saturday. Timberwolves kick the shit out of the Thunder. Screwed up their point differential, which they were on a historic run. Beat him by 40. It was which. That should count as two wins. It doesn't. But to beat the Thunder. How good the Thunder are. That soundly was. That was impressive.

[PFT Commenter]

They had to do it. They had to have a statement at home. And I. I thought that they might come out hot, but I did not think that they were going to win by that many points.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, they came out more physical and just took it to them. All right, so we're. We're watching right now. We have nine seconds left. And the T. Wolves are. Sorry, Timberwolves. I shouldn't say the T. Wolves. People get mad. Let's talk hockey while we watch the end of this. Should we talk some hockey?

[PFT Commenter]

Let's talk some puck. The Oilers.

[Dan Katz]

The Carolina Hurricanes have finally won an Eastern Conference final game, so congrats to them. Fifteen losses in a row in the Eastern Conference finals. Crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Since 2006.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Insane stat. I thought they were dead in the water, but they win a game, they go back to Carolina, we get a little bit of a series. I'm at the point, too. I don't know if you agree with this bft, but when it comes to all these series, because, like, I got no real rooting interest in any of this stuff. I'm just rooting for more.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So I. I'm not necessarily rooting for more. What I'm rooting for is for the Stanley cup and the NBA Finals to happen at the same time.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Around the same time. I don't know how the schedules work out with, like, how they're set.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I would just prefer to not have one series be over while the other sport is still going.

[Dan Katz]

I'd agree. I. I basically get to this point when I have nothing left. No futures, no teams in it. I'm basically rooting in all of these sports, like Mario Kart, whoever's at the end. I just want them to get a lightning or a blue shell, and I want them to catch up, and I want to go to game six or seven, and I want more playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

This feels like a gentleman sweep, though. I don't think that the Hurricanes are going to come back. I think that the. The Panthers are a much, much, much better team. They've got a couple injuries, though. Yep, I do realize that, but I feel like this is the very definition of gentleman sweep. So they get game four, and then game five is going to be all Panthers.

[Dan Katz]

So we were talking about jinxes, baby. Can I throw a jinx? A potential jinx out there for the. All right, so the thunder. Oh, Shay's going to the free throw line again. That was actually an intentional foul. Can I throw out a potential jinx for the Panthers hurricane series that I received 10 minutes after puck dropped? Yes. Here was the. What I received. I received a text message. Hi, Dan. If the Florida Panthers make the Stanley cup finals, I'm inviting you, Hank and PFT to come to a finals game. First row on the glass, vip, food and drink included. My treat.

[PFT Commenter]

I know who this is.

[Dan Katz]

If you all can't come, you can send PFT's mom.

[PFT Commenter]

God damn it.

[Dan Katz]

She's asked about wherever I go nationally.

[PFT Commenter]

God, nationally.

[Dan Katz]

Nationally, a good guy. Sorry about Portnoy. Celtics. Not. He wrote not.

[PFT Commenter]

Is this Brooks captain?

[Dan Katz]

You were all miss, though. Keep up the great work. Marlin's man.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, Marlin's man. What a twist.

[Dan Katz]

I love the knot in the text. It's like I could see the word not there at the end of that sentence.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a good knot. It's a good knot.

[Dan Katz]

Nationally, people are asking about your mom.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, I think that my mom would say, son, your friend Marlin's man seems like a good guy, but tell him it's strict. It's strictly platonic.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So, yeah, I, I, I, I'd agree with you. I think the Panthers will win that series.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's, I think it's going to be over in five.

[Dan Katz]

And the Oilers look awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Real quick memes and, and just all New York fans, what is up with New York Knicks fans? Just saying Knicks in whatever, like four games in a row is going to be at that.

[Dan Katz]

They're just proving they can count.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Why not? I haven't heard anybody say like, I think it's gonna be Nixon 7. It's either Nixon scheme. It's. But it's not always Nixon.

[Dan Katz]

Six.

[Tyson Ritter]

It's always Nick.

[PFT Commenter]

I've heard people say Nixon five before.

[Tyson Ritter]

That's true.

[PFT Commenter]

When it was two one against the, against the Celtics.

[Dan Katz]

I think they just say the numbers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they just say whatever for. It's pretty cocky.

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah, I just don't, I, Yeah, I don't think people want to think about.

[Dan Katz]

A game seven, by the way.

[Tyson Ritter]

Pray.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna back Knicks fans. And because there was a lot of clowning when they were down in half and like the street signs, which, you know, like. Oh, you guys did street signs again. This goes back to my point a week ago. You have to enjoy the ride. People just pull the plug so quickly on enjoying the ride.

[Hank]

That's like a, that's small town nonsense. So if you're New York, if you're, you know, big bad New York, but.

[Dan Katz]

They haven't won anything in forever. Act like you've been there, but they haven't. I hate when people like, act like you've been there. They have not been there.

[Hank]

Conference finalists.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Have fun. Enjoy the rest. You don't know if it's gonna happen again. Yeah, I agree, Hank. For you, yes, you should always act like you've been there, but you never do.

[Dan Katz]

Also, this is what, like, you don't.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't really act like it either.

[Dan Katz]

This is also. I feel like people get confused with like fans should celebrate however they want. The team didn't celebrate anything. It's stupid politicians that put up the street signs who like try to get in on the sports, whatever sports moments, vote them out. That wasn't like. I doubt that the Knicks themselves put up those signs. No. So it's, I feel like it's, you know like if the, if the Knicks themselves were like jobs finished after beating the Celtics then you could clown them. But they, I, I didn't hear them say that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it's, it's the fans and the fans should enjoy themselves. Like if you're, even if you're in Raleigh tonight, you won one game in the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah. Go stay out till 2am at whatever local craft pub that you like to go enjoy it.

[Dan Katz]

And I'm not saying don't make this. Make, make the jokes. I mean people are going to make the jokes about the street signs. Hank, you made some jokes about street signs. I'm sure it's fine to make the jokes but I'm just saying like that's not. I, I know that's how the teams, the fans. Yeah.

[Hank]

City.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But the city politicians always try to do that when they get involved.

[PFT Commenter]

New York, bad sports town.

[Hank]

That's a bad sports on a move.

[Dan Katz]

They're in this series.

[Hank]

They are in the series.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. People kill people buried him pretty quickly.

[Hank]

Way too quickly. It was halftime Way too quick. They only down 13 and a half.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

NBA.

[PFT Commenter]

Well in the second quarter it looked like it was going to be over. And to make it 13 points at half was. That was a major win for the Knicks.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. We're playing a foul game by the way in the, in the Thunder Timberls game. So the Oilers. Oilers look awesome. And the Oilers I believe would have home ice over the Panthers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they look good. McDavid. He just looks different out there.

[Hank]

What'd you guys think about the start time of that game?

[Dan Katz]

Terrible. The NHL camp. Two things happened this weekend that still baffled me and this is like old man yelling at clouds. The. The game three of the Western Conference final in the Stanley cup playoffs starting at 2:00 clock Central Time. So 3:00 clock Eastern on Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. The like that is the most grill time you could possibly have. I was grilling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. I forgot about the first period.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So that was terrible.

[Hank]

And then also Universal day of plans.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You have to do something.

[Dan Katz]

Correct. And then the other one is I Don't understand how the MLB still can't figure it out that, like, Memorial Day happens to start summer every year and you haven't figured out a way to have wall to wall baseball games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is. It's weird.

[Dan Katz]

Crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very strange crazy to me.

[Dan Katz]

So, yeah, those two.

[PFT Commenter]

There were a lot of games today, but not every team.

[Dan Katz]

No. And it should be like, there should be games starting very early and it go all day and it should be all nationally broadcast. Like, why. Why wouldn't you do that? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't get it. Ted Williams day. Call Ted Williams day.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, so this game is going to take forever to finish. I mean, the Thunder are going to win, right? That means the Thunder are going to win.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're going to win.

[Dan Katz]

They're down three.

[PFT Commenter]

They're up three. 3.5 seconds left. Ant at the line.

[Dan Katz]

The Thunder did an incredible job with Ant in the first. First half where. And I think he attempted two shots in the first. They just stop everything. He had a tough night.

[PFT Commenter]

He also might not be super healthy.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

But he's had. He's had two of those injuries where he. He goes down and you're like, oh, the entire playoffs are ruined because it looks. It looks like ants injured. And then he just comes back.

[Dan Katz]

But we can't. We. We make fun of LeBron when that happens.

[PFT Commenter]

The difference is these are real injuries.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. These ones are.

[PFT Commenter]

These ones are 100 legit.

[Dan Katz]

True. Everyone's got something.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, he's got that Michael Jordan DNA in him.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. By the way, congratulations. He does. Uh, did you guys see the. I have two. I have two nominees for. All right, so the Thunder have officially won.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I don't.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no, no. They all went out of bounds. This is exciting podcasting. This is. This is the good.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, we're going to get a review.

[Dan Katz]

We are going to actually recap the game with Wendy so we will have some actual insight into this game. Mostly from Brian Windhorse. Not from us.

[PFT Commenter]

Definitely not from us.

[Dan Katz]

Not from us. Other than. Yeah. Anth Anthony Edwards. I. I think he should have played better. PFD thinks he's injured. That was our. That was our expert. I would.

[PFT Commenter]

I would bet my credibility.

[Dan Katz]

And also SGA had having 40 points and. And it feels like J Dub is finally taking the next step where he's. Oh, this guy.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a bad sports town move right there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Actually no good sports town.

[Dan Katz]

You gotta touch it. You gotta get all the way out there.

[PFT Commenter]

Great sports time.

[Dan Katz]

Hank sneezing.

[PFT Commenter]

Sneezing have the sniffles.

[Dan Katz]

This is the allergies.

[Hank]

Bless me.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a little bit of the sniffles from going to see ACDC with Josh Allen on Saturday.

[Dan Katz]

Josh Allen was there? Yeah. Nice.

[PFT Commenter]

I was pumped.

[Dan Katz]

I knew he was in town. Okay, this game's got to just end. Let's just talk about SGA being awesome. 40 points. He was very good. I mean, he. It took him 30 shots and he did get Hank.

[Hank]

All right, what do you want me to do?

[Dan Katz]

I don't know. Oh, you have. Oh, you have boogers on his face.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, gross.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, let me see. Oh, it's in your beard.

[Dan Katz]

It's in his beard.

[PFT Commenter]

It's in his beard like Bonnie blue.

[Dan Katz]

This is. This is an all time. This game needs to end and it won't end.

[PFT Commenter]

X nose is coming on his own chin.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, Hank.

[Hank]

Easing's got to be the most embarrassing thing of all time.

[PFT Commenter]

It is.

[Dan Katz]

What is it? It's like. It's like 1-80th of an orgasm or something, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that real?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Hell yeah. 0.3 side. There should be more than that left.

[Hank]

Way more than that left.

[PFT Commenter]

Fixes in.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Thunder win. 128. 126. We will talk about this game with Windhorse, who we have 1 80th of an orgasm in a popular but inaccurate comparison.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

I just saw the. I only read the first line.

[PFT Commenter]

What does that mean? Like two sperm come out?

[Dan Katz]

No. I don't know. You got. You. You do a lot more sperm than that, dude. I'd hope.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, how many. How many do you push out in normal run? Like a million.

[Dan Katz]

Thousands and thousands and thousands.

[PFT Commenter]

So it's like maybe 500 sperm come out the advanced scout team.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. This series is over.

[PFT Commenter]

Over.

[Dan Katz]

Great fight by the Timberwolves. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, you know what? Let's be the first report with the. With the three games to one statistics are in the NBA playoffs. You're going to get an earful of those.

[Dan Katz]

This was a great fight by the Timberwolves. I just. The Thunder are better. It's not. It's just kind of what it is. And we're getting. As you guys see, we're getting closer and closer to the. There was. I got to find this. Someone pointed out that this would be the Paul George finals because he basically created both of these teams. We talked about it with SGA a little bit. There was a Reddit post that it was. Hold on, I'm gonna find it. It was. What are you looking up? You're looking up how many sperm? We're doing some good podcasts.

[PFT Commenter]

I got the numbers right here for conference finals.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, you're doing sperm.

[PFT Commenter]

I can do sperm. Okay.

[Max]

I got sperm.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you do. My boys are fertile as. I Love that.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

NBA Conference Finals team with a 3 to 1 lead wins the series 93.6% of the time. And that would mean that the team comes back from a 1 to 3 deficit 6.4% of the time. It's only happened three times.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, but it has happened. Yeah, it has happened. This is from Metroids suffering. He said we may be headed to a finals where both teams were built on the back of trading away Paul George. The Indiana Pacers traded Paul George to Oklahoma City for Oladipo and Sabonis. Sabonis developed as a player, and then they traded him for Tyrese Halberton. The Thunder, meanwhile, traded Paul George for SGA and seven pick swaps, one of which turned into Jalen Williams. This is not super relevant, but is interesting to me at least. I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think it's super relevant.

[Dan Katz]

It's the Paul George Finals.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that's the most relevant. So congrats, Max.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Podcast Paul.

[PFT Commenter]

You guys are about to get to the NBA Finals.

[Dan Katz]

He. He basically was a team builder of two finals rosters.

[Max]

I'm currently researching sperm.

[Dan Katz]

I don't.

[Max]

I don't know what you're saying.

[Dan Katz]

What do we got?

[PFT Commenter]

Are you just googling? Come.

[Dan Katz]

How many.

[Max]

How many what?

[Dan Katz]

How many happen?

[PFT Commenter]

How many sperm? Say, what's up there?

[Max]

There's. There's no scientific evidence to support that. That erectile tissues from different part of your body operate in the same way.

[PFT Commenter]

You're talking about sneezing?

[Dan Katz]

No, we're talking for how many sperms.

[Max]

How many different conversations are we having about sperm?

[Dan Katz]

Like, we're having seven different conversations while Hank sneezes in our face.

[PFT Commenter]

150 million to 300 million.

[Dan Katz]

We were doing sperm count. Paul George and. And down three.

[Max]

I was still on the. I was still on the sneeze sperm.

[Dan Katz]

All right, so back to hockey. I'm just kidding.

[Max]

That goes. That goes towards hockey talk.

[PFT Commenter]

I bet that's all in under hockey time.

[Dan Katz]

So it's all under hockey.

[PFT Commenter]

So it looks like it varies wildly. Now I'm reading 80 million to 300 million sperm.

[Dan Katz]

That's a lot. That's a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

So every time that you don't get somebody pregnant, you're committing mass. Mass.

[Dan Katz]

And every time you sneeze, although it's inaccurate, you're. You're basically releasing millions. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. You. Do you think the series is over?

[PFT Commenter]

Which one?

[Dan Katz]

The Thunder. The next Pacers is definitely still.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know if we're still talking hockey.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, hockey. Yeah. Oilers. Oilers is over. Panthers is over.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Knicks Pacer's still on.

[PFT Commenter]

Still on this Sunday. I would say it's over. Yeah, I, I still think that. I think the wolves might get one more.

[Dan Katz]

I like, I, I want, I want this series to go on more. I'm not rooting for it, but I just think the Thunder are really good.

[PFT Commenter]

I think. Thunder.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? I think it's gonna be Thundered five.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. So speaking of the Thunder and again, we will talk a lot more about this game with, with Wendy, but I wanted to throw out. I have two potential takeies that I saw this weekend that I wanted to throw out to you guys that we will, we will put in the takey awards later this year. The first was about SGA's MVP. And did you guys see this take by Jay Williams? He blames cancel culture.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, go on.

[Dan Katz]

For Americans not winning MVPs because this is now I think what is it? It's like six years that an American born player. I think it goes all the way back to James Harden. I think it's maybe seven years.

[PFT Commenter]

So why cancel culture?

[Dan Katz]

Because our coaches are too afraid to coach the players hard and getting canceled.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan Katz]

So it's not exactly cancel culture like I wanted. When I saw the headline, this might be the spiciest take I've ever seen. And then when he actually explained it, it wasn't as spicy. Yes. So. So James Harden in 2017 or 2018 was the last time an American has won a MVP in the NBA. That is cancel culture.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. I'm looking at the other players from U. S. So James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, they were pre cancel culture. I could listen. The fact is when Bobby Knight was choking guys.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

We were winning MVPs every year.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Back when, back when the NBA was great.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

And now we got guys that are. They're afraid of getting sued.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

So they won't, they won't slam players. They won't throw players on the ground. They won't bench players, they won't cuss them out in front of the team.

[Dan Katz]

When, when, when Rick Majeris was in a towel.

[PFT Commenter]

That's when the.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we were great.

[PFT Commenter]

NBA was at its peak with American born players.

[Dan Katz]

So I think I kind of agree with Jay Williams. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He said, listen, do you think Carl Malone would win an MVP in today's game. No, I don't. I don't think so.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Cancel culture.

[Dan Katz]

Cancel culture, he said. How much of this do you think is cancel culture? I hear a lot of coaches talk about they don't feel like they can coach young kids anymore because anything they say could get used against them. Cancel culture. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I respect the take.

[Dan Katz]

I do, too. I think it's going to be in the takeies. I think it's. It's got to be.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that one a lot.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And then the other one was. Was a Peter.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, but where did SGA play college ball?

[Dan Katz]

SGA played in America.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. At Kentucky.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. He was actually the first Kentucky player, I believe, to win an NBA mvp, which is kind of shocking.

[PFT Commenter]

So that kind of goes against Jay Williams take. But that's okay. That's okay. It doesn't have to be perfect.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it doesn't have to be perfect. Can you. Yeah. Find that fact. Check that for me, Max. Was he the first ever who played a Kentucky to win an mvp? I think it might have been. They've had a lot of one one.

[PFT Commenter]

Ones also, because only, like, seven guys have won mvp.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. First player from the University of Kentucky to win mvp.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. It's pretty crazy. I mean, they are basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay. So that was one. The other one was a tweet from a former colleague of ours, which I. It was kind of a Peter King homage. Dan Rapport.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought you were gonna say Michael Rappaport.

[Dan Katz]

Nope. Dan Rapport. Weird guy, but nice guy. He. Will Salatoris has another back surgery coming. And I found out from Dan Rapport's tweet, he. This is what he wrote. Another back surgery for Will Zalatoris. Herniated discs. Multiple. So painful. He's 28 years old. No bueno. I don't. I. I didn't think they would be reported this way, but that's how I.

[PFT Commenter]

I found out about how many would have been bueno. I think just one.

[Dan Katz]

One.

[PFT Commenter]

One bueno.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. It was herniate.

[PFT Commenter]

Good news. It's just one.

[Dan Katz]

It was herniated disc, period. Multiple, period. So painful, period. He's 28 years old, period. No bueno, period.

[PFT Commenter]

It's good reporting.

[Dan Katz]

That is no bueno.

[Hank]

It does suck for Willie's.

[Dan Katz]

I've. And. And this is. We're now. We're kind of loose right now with. With. With what topics we're hitting, but I would say Will Zalotaurus, I'm pretty sure, had a shot to go to Live. And anytime you judge anyone who's like, can make life changing money, this is the kind of. That I think about, like, you should probably take it. Yeah, well. And also, like, you shouldn't judge someone who does take it.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The live guys, it sounds like they're going to be. I don't know what the liv's going to do. Hank, what are your boys up to in Saudi Arabia?

[Hank]

Because we'll see. I mean, they might just stay loyal and stick around, but they're not something.

[PFT Commenter]

It sounds like they're not going to be able to pay the guaranteed monies that they were paying before.

[Hank]

Yeah. But thankfully there's an agreement going on or framework of. An outline of an agreement.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the framework is strong.

[Hank]

The PGA and live. So that'll probably be settled soon.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, my favorite recurring thing about Hank, and usually this happens off air, off camera, is when he plays three rounds of golf over the weekend. And then he struggles to figure out how many holes there are in three rounds of golf. Even though he's a huge LIV Die Hard.

[Dan Katz]

He said he. He just. Every time he says, what's 36 plus 18? That's how many holes they play on the live tournament. You said that exact thing to us.

[PFT Commenter]

The Liv is 54 and we've in Roman numerals. Did you not know that till just now?

[Dan Katz]

He didn't.

[Hank]

That's cool.

[Dan Katz]

And we also had this conversation like two weeks ago.

[Hank]

What the.

[Dan Katz]

About how many you playing three rounds. And you try to do the math on how many that is.

[Hank]

Well, I didn't know if I was counting the Monday round as a weekend round. Whatever.

[Dan Katz]

54. 54. Live.

[Hank]

Live.

[Max]

Wait, that also makes no sense. You just at. It had nothing to do with the Monday round.

[PFT Commenter]

You asked.

[Max]

36.

[Dan Katz]

36 plus 18. All right. I had one. One more basketball thing that I'm very excited about. I don't know if you guys saw this over the weekend, but we are officially in judging every single picture we see of Luka Doncic.

[PFT Commenter]

I've heard that he's skinny. I've heard he's already skinny.

[Dan Katz]

So there's one where he looks a little skinnier.

[Hank]

Kind of you.

[Dan Katz]

Well, yeah, it's kind of yo yos, like depending on the angles. Then there's also one where he took at. It looked like dinner or lunch and his plate was completely clean. People were judging that. I'm just excited for this journey we're about to go on. When it comes to every single picture we see of Luka Doncic for the Next three months.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So apparently he's, he's back home and he's doing like a, a local diet and he's using like local people to get in shape. I can only assume that means just like vodka and cigarettes, which is way, way lower carb than like barbecue and beer, which is what I assume. He was taken in all the time down in Texas. So when you see Eastern Europeans, they're usually in pretty good shape. Right?

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't see too many of them fat.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

So I, I choose to believe that Luka is going to be in great shape.

[Dan Katz]

He's going to be in great shape. I, I agree with you. I think this is the year. This is the summer. What, what other sport? I had some baseball things we could talk about. We should probably bring up our, our update on the Rockies owners.

[Hank]

I have a couple sports related. Who's backs.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan Katz]

But I wanted. So was Rockies on there?

[Hank]

No.

[Dan Katz]

So the Rockies are just an update. What are those guys names again? We hate them. They're the worst. And Nico Harrison. The Rockies are 9 and 45.

[PFT Commenter]

The Monfort brothers.

[Dan Katz]

The Monfort brothers. The Rockies are 9 and 45. They're on pace to win 28 games. The Chicago White Sox last year broke the record for most losses in 162 game season with 121 losses. They won 41 games. The Rockies are on pace to win 28 games at this exact point. Last year the White Sox had 15 wins. So six more wins than the Rockies have right now.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Dan Katz]

It's nuts.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's going to get so, so depressing looking at, at Coors Field in the late summer.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Because there's a lot of cool to do in Colorado.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not like you have to go to the baseball game. That's the only game in town. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a sad state of affairs out there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So it's, it's it The Monfort brothers, you guys, that's, that's what we got.

[PFT Commenter]

To keep pieces of, pieces of.

[Dan Katz]

Also Max, Phillies are back. Cubs are. Cubs are hot too. Yeah.

[Max]

Phillies have just been beating up on teams. Oh, Bullpen's a real, real, real, real big problem.

[Dan Katz]

Cubs just mash every single game. And the Mets are back too. They took two out of three against the Dodgers. Look at that.

[Hank]

Johe's gonna pitch soon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he did some BP through 97.

[Dan Katz]

That's pretty sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Very sick. And O' Neill Cruz continues to mash.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, well, that, that home Run he hit over the weekend. Yeah. I think it was the.

[PFT Commenter]

Was it the hardest ball in the stack cast era?

[Dan Katz]

I think it. And the second hardest was.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Dan Katz]

I'm pretty sure he just hits piss missiles when he. When he gets a hold of one. It goes out so fast. All right, do you want to do who's Back? Because we have a bunch of stuff for it. Yeah. Should we hop into it?

[PFT Commenter]

Let's do it.

[Dan Katz]

And then we'll get to Wendy and Tyson Ritter, which was a great interview. The All American rejects lead singer. All right, who's back of the week? Is brought to you by our friends at Truly Truly Hard Seltzer. It is time to get unruly. This summer, Truly unruly Lemonade combines the high alk fun of truly unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Lemonade. Let loose 8% ABV 100 delicious. Four supercharged lemonade flavors. Bumping Blue Razz OG Original Lemonade Punched up pineapple Wild pink. Level up your lemonade with Truly Unruly. Find Truly Unruly Lemonade at a store near you or visit trulyhardseltzer.com I love the wild pink. That's my number one. That's my number one pick. Truly unruly. So go get your Truly unruly eliminated. Store near you or visit trulyhardselter.com Hank, who's back of the week?

[Hank]

I have one that pft is definitely gonna say, so I'll let him save it. But if he doesn't.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you can say.

[Hank]

Mention it.

[Dan Katz]

Say it.

[Hank]

You know what it is.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you should.

[Hank]

Really?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What is it?

[Hank]

Freebird.

[PFT Commenter]

Freebird's back.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is. We did it.

[Dan Katz]

We won a real tournament. Not like the all star game. No. Yeah.

[Hank]

Oh, two times two.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, wait.

[Hank]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[PFT Commenter]

The hockey.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

No, hockey. USA Hockey's back.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. We won the IHFF. IHHF. First time since 1933.

[PFT Commenter]

Huge.

[Dan Katz]

Huge.

[Hank]

They released a music video for Freebird. Oh, days ago.

[PFT Commenter]

I did. I missed out on that dude.

[Dan Katz]

He went to ACDS.

[Hank]

He give him song came out. I was the 70s.

[PFT Commenter]

I was super focused. Very focused on ACDC.

[Dan Katz]

He went to ACDC, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

I was excited and focused.

[Dan Katz]

Ah.

[PFT Commenter]

So wait, they did a music video for it.

[Dan Katz]

That's kind of weird. I don't know how I feel about this.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Dan Katz]

It's good thing you said it because.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait. So Lynyrd Skynyrd finally made A music video for it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, that's. I don't really like that one because I don't think that there's anybody in the band that played on that song.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the problem.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The old question of, like, when does a ship not become the same ship anymore? If you just update the different parts of it? Like, this isn't. I don't know that this is still. You can't make a music video if you didn't play on that track.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna have to. I mean, the song still rocks.

[PFT Commenter]

There's already a great music video for Freebird, and that's Jenny being high on cocaine, thinking about jumping off that legend, Forrest Gump.

[Dan Katz]

True.

[PFT Commenter]

That, in my mind, is the actual music video for Free Facts.

[Dan Katz]

But also, we won the hockey tournament.

[Hank]

Right?

[Dan Katz]

A real hockey tournament, not an all star game.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, was this an exhibition?

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, good.

[Dan Katz]

II first time we've won it since 1933. Suck our dicks, everyone.

[PFT Commenter]

The kids are all right.

[Dan Katz]

We did it.

[Brian Windhorst]

Freebird.

[Dan Katz]

We're the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Freebird. I do love that Freebird just somehow decided to make a comeback in hockey form.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Wait, Hank, was that it? You said you had a bunch of trick school. Oh, yeah. He's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

What's his name?

[Hank]

Tarek. Whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

Tarek. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Derek with a T.

[Hank]

I feel like it's the first time in a while we've had two, like, Hoss. Hoss. Pitchers going at the same time in mlb. School. Skiings, but school, basically. I mean, he. He had a complete game shut out, two hitter.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he was awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Was that his first complete game?

[Dan Katz]

I believe so. 103 pitches or. No, sorry. It was like 94 pitches.

[Hank]

Maybe his last pitch he threw 103. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

I love him. He's the best. And the Tigers are really good. And I hate. I see it happening because he's. I think he's due to make a ton of money, obviously, because he's a Boris guy and like, some of the national media is doing the whole, like, though they should trade him now. They get a lot for him. It's like, dude, they're. They're the best team in the al. Why would. Why would you trade him? He's awesome. They might be the best team in baseball.

[PFT Commenter]

So.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he. And he's sick and I. Hopefully he stays in. In Detroit. Yeah, he's got. They got. They're the best team in baseball right now, record wise. Good. Who's back?

[Hank]

This was just a note I put in My phone. I should have brought this up earlier, but the. This was from Jones on the NBA. And I don't know if you guys knew this, but he said for years I thought Cat's last name was Anthony Towns, not that his first name was Carl Anthony.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Hank]

Fun fact, I gotta say.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think I, I, I think I probably thought that too.

[PFT Commenter]

I just thought that his. He had one long first name. Carl Anthony Towns.

[Dan Katz]

The big Purr. Yeah. So his first name is Carl Anthony.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I. Three name guys I just assume are the last names. Yeah, you just always assumed that that's.

[PFT Commenter]

Such a better name than Carl Towns.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think his dad was Carl Towns.

[PFT Commenter]

Carl Anthony Towns.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he's Carl Anthony Towns.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's way better. The big. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. I guess I've seen it written like that, but I always just. I don't know why I thought that, even though it's. I've seen it written Carl Anthony Towns. But yeah, you gotta say. You gotta say the Anthony.

[PFT Commenter]

They also call him the Big Bodega. I didn't realize that.

[Dan Katz]

That's an awesome one. Awesome nickname. Big Bodega, Big Purr.

[PFT Commenter]

I've heard. I've heard the bodega, Cat.

[Dan Katz]

That's good, too. All right. Who's your. Who's back?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, Hank took one of mine with Freebird, so another one is.

[Hank]

But you weren't even gonna mention the song.

[PFT Commenter]

Another one's.

[Hank]

I had USA Hockey and then Freebird.

[PFT Commenter]

Separately, another one. It does blow my mind that they just made a music video for that. That's such a money grab. Yeah. I can't even knock it on Leonard Skitter. Good job. Get your money, guys. My other who's back of the week is Anne Hathaway.

[Dan Katz]

I personally, I would never support a band doing money grabs like, 60 years after.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but, I mean, I had a great time. So I'm sorry that I missed the. The music video coming out at the ACDC concert.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So. Yeah. And Hathaway's back. Oh, and Hathaway's back. And if you look at the stats our guy Riggs posted about this OG And Anobi ran into Anne Hathaway courtside, was jumping out of bounds to save a ball. Since that moment, he's been. He's had 24.3 points per game, six rebounds per game, one and a half steals per game, 45.23 point percentage per game. And now Anne Hathaway is leaning into it. So she's like, posting pictures of OG Anunoby on her Instagram. All this stuff. Love is in the air. And she knows how to scout talent because the one other obscure ish athlete that she's developed a fixation for over her career was Danny Woodhead. She was a massive Danny Woodhead fan, and now she's moved on. I think OG and anobi is. I don't want to see the Danny Woodhead of the NBA. But he's a gritty guy. Yeah, he's a spark plug. I like this. So maybe memes. What if we got Anne Hathaway to go get to the game and Indy with you?

[Dan Katz]

That'd be cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we suck her off.

[Dan Katz]

Bet you would, you pervert.

[PFT Commenter]

My other who's back of the week is AI. AI is back because I think half the pod, not just Hank this time got got fooled with a fake man on the street video that's done using all AI and we've reached the point where now we can't tell. We. We officially can't. Sometimes we should be able to tell, but now I feel like it's just. It's. We're. We're.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. When they do the human beings, it's. I. I can't. It's the. It's this. You know, the large snakes that have never been seen before them. Like, oh, cool. That's AI. But, yeah, this stuff where it's. It just looks as real as real could be.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I had an idea for an app that if anybody out there wants to make and give me 50 of you can do it. It's just an app that you can download onto your phone that screens out AI videos for you. So it just shows up on your phone. If you're on social media. It's like the actual video has a big line across the center that says, this is AI. Click to accept. So you know that it's. You can opt into the AI if you want.

[Dan Katz]

Could you.

[PFT Commenter]

But it warns you ahead of time.

[Dan Katz]

Could you have a filter being like, just don't tell me about AI porn.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, AI porn's fine.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right. Like, you'd want to just be like, hey, yeah, some AI.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, but this chick's probably really into you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right. Exactly.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Let that.

[Dan Katz]

Let that go.

[PFT Commenter]

You can opt in.

[Dan Katz]

Let that go through the filter.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like clicking on incognito mode. You just go into like, don't tell me. Don't tell me things that could possibly hurt my emotions.

[Dan Katz]

Right, Exactly. Okay. My. Who's back? I got a couple. Caitlin Clark is back because she's out for two weeks. Also credit to the WNBA fans. Did you guys see the clip of the foul? That was very funny. They're getting. Yeah, WNBA fans are getting up to speed quickly where they're just showing clips where they're like, how is this a foul? And they just don't have the foul in the clip.

[PFT Commenter]

The rage farm, the. The cutoff of the video was where the illegal screen happened. So you didn't see the other woman. It just looked like it was a phantom push off and people got so mad about it.

[Dan Katz]

Also the saddest part, I mean, she's only out for two weeks, so she'll be back. But the saddest Caitlin Clark story this weekend was. I don't know how it was possible, but I saw another Ryan Clark like apology to RG3 on like Saturday. Yeah, it's like it was, it was new. It's like, how is this guy still talking about it?

[PFT Commenter]

He's doing videos of it now.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So weird. Like we've all moved on, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Ryan Clark gets in his emotions and he makes videos where he looks like he's going to cry and he's thinking about something deeply. It looks like he's at his therapist.

[Dan Katz]

Do you know what too. It. It's. And, and I think the Pivot podcast is successful, but it's the way they tape it. Everything seems like a E60 where they. They have the multiple close up angles. Well, they'll. They'll be close up head on with Ryan Clark and then they'll cut to Ryan Clark's side profile closeup like Holy. He must be talking about something serious. It could. Could it potentially be innocuous foul in Game 2 of the WNBA season? Yeah, that's exactly what he.

[PFT Commenter]

What is that, Hank? 24 frames per second?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. What's going on with that?

[PFT Commenter]

Cuz I feel like it's 24 frames. That's the one that makes it look like cinematic.

[Dan Katz]

Explain that to us, Hank. What's going on with that film school?

[Hank]

24 frames per second.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, nice.

[Hank]

That's a field.

[Dan Katz]

So how many, how many holes does live play?

[Hank]

36 plus 18.

[PFT Commenter]

Very good.

[Hank]

Which is that live, right, Liv?

[Dan Katz]

And who's in? The Four Aces.

[Hank]

Four Aces are.

[Dan Katz]

Fuck.

[Hank]

Dustin Johnson, Harold Varner, Patrick Reed. And it's not Peter Uline.

[Narrator]

It is.

[Dan Katz]

Are you in severance in this podcast studio?

[Hank]

I have PTSD with the Four Aces.

[Max]

You also still haven't answered the amount of holes.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he did.

[Dan Katz]

He did.

[PFT Commenter]

He knows that one.

[Dan Katz]

He. He slowly got to it. He said live but that's. He said the Roman numeral.

[PFT Commenter]

He knows.

[Max]

He doesn't know what live means.

[Dan Katz]

He's a man of Troy.

[Hank]

Give me a minute. Keep talking. I will remember his name. I won't.

[Dan Katz]

No, you won't.

[Hank]

Look it up. Yes, I will. I promise you I will.

[Dan Katz]

Max. Was it 20? Is it 24 frames? Is that what they're doing?

[Narrator]

Sure.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that's what it's. Ryan Clark's got a button that he hits, like, get emotional. And he. Then he starts talking about, like, being a man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And what I've discovered is that it's actually sometimes to be a man, it means that you need to apologize, and that doesn't make you less of a man, but when you do apologize, you become more of a man, and you learn that afterwards.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what you learned becoming a man.

[Dan Katz]

And then he buttons up his polo, which makes it way more serious.

[PFT Commenter]

As a man, I just feel like sometimes you need to be a man, and sometimes being a man means that you have to be man enough to apologize about being a man.

[Max]

How many frames do you think we do this podcast?

[Dan Katz]

Who the knows? 60. Yeah. As a man, sometimes you got to realize when you weren't being a man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And then you got to tell yourself, hey, be more of a man, but man next time.

[PFT Commenter]

But man to man, it takes growing up and becoming a man to realize that man to man, you need to be a man.

[Dan Katz]

As a man, I'd like to personally apologize to RG3, who's also a man, who is married to a woman who I disrespected, which is not what a man should do.

[PFT Commenter]

So I'm apologizing to a man.

[Dan Katz]

I would never apologize to a woman.

[PFT Commenter]

I said about that man's wife. I crossed the line because you don't do that to another man.

[Dan Katz]

Hank, do you have the answer? Nope.

[Hank]

Nope.

[Dan Katz]

All right. My other who's back is lacrosse. Cornell. Ever heard of it? They won the lacrosse national championship, which didn't really care. Usually watch it watched a couple quarters. But the big story is CJ Kirst are 11 pick for the Water Dogs. Just completed probably the greatest career in college lacrosse history. So he. His freshman year, they lost to Maryland in the championship game. He avenged that loss. He had. He scored six goals in the national championship game, which tied a record for the national championship game. He scored 82 goals this season, which ties a record 82 goals in 19 games. And then he also has the most goals in a college career, 247that's our water dog.

[PFT Commenter]

That's our water dog.

[Dan Katz]

Pumped.

[PFT Commenter]

That's why he was at the top for a big board this year.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

When they called us, they said, what do you have? What intel do you have? And I said, this guy cj. CJ curse.

[Dan Katz]

CJ curse.

[PFT Commenter]

I said, this guy CJ cursed. Number one. CJ curse, no matter what, is what I wrote down on a napkin.

[Dan Katz]

Yep. He's also. I think. I think he's one of five brothers who all are sick of the crowd.

[PFT Commenter]

Love that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So he's got good lineage. Hank.

[Hank]

I. I don't think I'm gonna get it.

[PFT Commenter]

The fourth ace. What if I gave you.

[Dan Katz]

Give us the fourth?

[Hank]

I would get. Give me a clue. I'll get it.

[Dan Katz]

He plays golf.

[Hank]

Tallness Peters.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's all it took.

[Dan Katz]

Why didn't you. I see you. To say he plays golf?

[Hank]

I just said I needed to get a clue. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. It was.

[Hank]

I knew it was up there.

[PFT Commenter]

I knew it was a golfer. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay, let's get. Who. Who is it for real? Do we even know?

[PFT Commenter]

Thomas Peters.

[Dan Katz]

It is. Yeah. For real? Yeah. That's a guy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, I thought we were still.

[Hank]

I knew it was the. I knew it was, like, two first names or something.

[PFT Commenter]

You know where he's from?

[Hank]

No. Ireland.

[PFT Commenter]

Belgium.

[Hank]

Belgium. I knew he was foreign.

[Dan Katz]

Belgium. It's pretty good. Peters. Yeah. Oh, it sounds like you know his career very well.

[PFT Commenter]

He's an ace.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he's an ace. You don't get to be an ace just by happenstance. You get to sign up and get, like, hundreds of millions of dollars, and then you become an ace.

[PFT Commenter]

So don't. It wasn't part of the deal that the live guys got equity in their teams?

[Dan Katz]

I believe so.

[PFT Commenter]

So they became, like, owners of the team. What happens if Liv Golf just. If the merger that they've got the framework in place for goes. But that's probably what the stumbling blocks are right now.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, how do we pay these guys out from the pga? What? Hank.

[Hank]

No, it's just like, maybe there's, like, this team might not be worth that much, so why. Why should we?

[Dan Katz]

It's probably worth a lot. Imagine if you bought the four aces.

[Hank]

That'd be cool.

[Dan Katz]

That'd be so.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, if they go. If they do some sort of fire sale, you guys could probably. After the framework, you could buy a golf team that doesn't exist anymore.

[Dan Katz]

I would never buy your team. That would be up. Never buy it. As a man, you don't buy Another man's team.

[Hank]

I'm also kind of, you know, Ripper gc, but.

[Dan Katz]

What?

[Hank]

Ripa.

[PFT Commenter]

You change.

[Dan Katz]

You change.

[PFT Commenter]

Cam Smith, man, you can't change.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, you're a Ripper GC guy. Why aren't we smash guys anyway?

[PFT Commenter]

Brooks, I'm a smash guy.

[Dan Katz]

I'm a Smash guy.

[Hank]

Those are my three teams.

[PFT Commenter]

How many teams are there? Like six? You root for half the league.

[Hank]

There's the Mystics.

[Dan Katz]

The mystics. That's a WNBA team.

[Hank]

There is the mystics. Yeah. Ripa smash, huh?

[Dan Katz]

13 teams. Wow. I did not.

[Hank]

Fireballs.

[Dan Katz]

That many teams.

[Hank]

Torque.

[PFT Commenter]

Torque.

[Hank]

Torque.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan Katz]

All right. So the Cleeks, the Aces, the Crush. Crushers, the Fireballs, the High Flyers.

[Hank]

That's Phil.

[Dan Katz]

The Iron Heads. The Legion.

[PFT Commenter]

Legion 13.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Majestics.

[PFT Commenter]

What did you call them, Hank?

[Dan Katz]

The Mystics, The Range Ghost. Yeah. The Ripper GC Smash. That's our guys. We got Gooch, Stinger, Torque. This just sounds like really bad apps, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

It just said that we had Gooch on the starting four. Wild starting four.

[Dan Katz]

These sound. These sound like someone would be pitching you after watching Josh Allen win the mvp. Like, hey, I got this new app. It's called the Range Goats, and I'd say, yeah, we're taking golf to the next level.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it louder?

[Dan Katz]

It's so loud.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm in.

[Dan Katz]

Torque. Okay, let's get to our interview with Brian Windhorst. We're gonna talk some more ball the Thunder Timberwolves, where he sees the rest of the conference finals. And then we have a great interview with the lead singer of the All American Rejects, Tyson Ritter. Before we get to Brian windhorst talking some NBA playoffs game time. Football is back, the 2025 NFL schedule is out, and the only place you should be getting your tickets is Game time. The official ticketing partner, Barstool Sports. We're already planning our fall schedule and circling the games we want to go to with killer last minute deals, all in prices, views from your seat, and their lowest price guarantee. Game Time takes the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets. Game time makes scoring NFL tickets faster and easier. They have exclusive discounts and you can find seats for as low as $100. The game time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic NFL tickets on time and for the best price. Plus, fees are always included. So what you see is what you'll pay. We're looking at tickets for Bears Vikings at Soldier Field, Monday Night Football to kick off to end week one. Hank, what do we got?

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[Brian Windhorst]

Those were not Knicks fans. Those were hooligans.

[Dan Katz]

Okay?

[Brian Windhorst]

Those were not Knicks fans. Knicks fans were not a block away from the garden at 12:30 in the morning.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Brian Windhorst]

Knicks fans were off celebrating with themselves.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought you handled it well.

[Dan Katz]

For what it's worth, you handle it great.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you would have them up.

[Dan Katz]

Well.

[Brian Windhorst]

The truth is that there is other footage that apparently is not going to become unearthed. That. Where there was some hands put on. Not by me. Hands were put on me. Nothing. Nothing serious happened. Like, people put their hands on me and I had to shove their hands off and I basically jaywalked across 35th street to. To get away. I mean, I was never, like, in serious danger, but, like, you know, it was not a pleasant experience at 12:35 in the morning.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, leave Wendy alone.

[Brian Windhorst]

Those. Those were not Knicks fans. Those people were not the same people that I saw like two hours earlier enjoying one of the great moments of the Garden in most of their lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't equate the two things.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that. Let's not let. Let's not let that one ugly incident turn us away from the city of New York. Enjoying a little bit of success.

[Dan Katz]

Right? Right.

[Brian Windhorst]

Absolutely.

[Dan Katz]

And we stand with Wendy. If you ever need us to fuck someone up, we'll call someone else to do it.

[Brian Windhorst]

I want to say ESPN Security has taken beautiful care of me and all of our people. And I am. I am in the hands of ESPN Security, and I am not. I am. I'm all good. Thank you for your concern.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right, great. So let's talk about the game you were at tonight. The Thunder take a 31 lead. We think this series might be over. The Thunder. It was. You know, two nights ago. The Wolves did what most teams do in the game. Three, setting after being down two. Oh. Coming home, they. They. They had some pride. They killed the Thunder. Tonight was a very competitive game. I want to start with the end, though, and. And maybe you can explain this to us. The fan who caught the ball, did that screw up the timing on the last possession at all? So what happened?

[Brian Windhorst]

So technically, as far as I know, I hope I got it right. The clock is going to stop when the ball technically hits the ground. When the ball goes out of bounds, that's when the ball is out of bounds. It's not out of bounds when it crosses the end. Line. It's out of bounds when it touches the ground or touches something, somebody touching the ground. If a player obviously catches it and is out of bounds, or you throw it off a guy's foot or whatever, that's when it's dead. And it, the clock will go dead when the referee blows the whistle.

[Dan Katz]

It's.

[Brian Windhorst]

It's a computerized thing. There's a connection. The clock stops when the whistle blows. So the guy catches it, the ball goes dead and with like, I don't know, 6, 5, 6, 10 left. But had the guy not caught it, the ball would have hit the ground and the game would have been over. So I don't think there's any controversy there.

[PFT Commenter]

But why. Why split the difference like he did? He was standing there and he did catch it.

[Brian Windhorst]

Right. But I think the official blew the whistle. You know, I can't speak for exactly why, but if the official doesn't blow the whistle until the ball hits the ground, the horn goes off. Because we're talking about half second.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Brian Windhorst]

So.

[Dan Katz]

Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, 0.5 seconds. They're probably not going to make this way. Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

If you're, if you're a Wolves fan and you're like upset that you didn't get the extra 3/10 of a second because a fan caught the ball when it shouldn't have been caught, it should have been deemed to have hit the ground. I don't know what to say. I don't. We can't really have a intellectual conversation. You know, they were fortunate that they were given 3/10. I think that was a good. Compromised by the officials.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So on the court, the, the Wolves had a great night shooting, and somehow it still wasn't enough to overcome the Thunder. I saw one stat that said the teams that have that. I forget what the threshold was for 3 point percentage and field goal percentage, but the bottom line is teams that shot at that level, I believe were 55. 0 going into this game in the playoffs. And now this is the one loss. So what did the Thunder do that was so good that took away all the advantage that the Wolves should have had?

[Brian Windhorst]

They scored. You know, this wasn't, this wasn't a game where the Thunder won it with their defense, they won it with their offense. I mean, so the, the fourth, the fourth quarter box score. This game is pretty impressive. First off, The Wolves scored 41 points in the fourth quarter of this game. Shot 50 or over 50. I don't have it right in front of me right now, actually. I can get it right now, hold on. The wolves in the fourth quarter went 14 of 28. That's 50% where I come from. They made six out of 13 threes. They out rebounded the Thunder. They committed fewer turnovers or the same turnovers than the Thunder, but gave up fewer points off off turnovers. Like, I know that there's going to be a. And probably even on my network, there's probably going to be a cycle here where Ann Edwards gets blamed because he didn't score 40 himself. The Wolves scored 41 points in the fourth quarter. And because, you know, Dante DiVincenzo and Nikhil Alexander Walker had awesome performances. The loss of the game or the win? I prefer to say the reason the Thunder won the game was because Shea had 40, Jalen Williams had like 34, and Chad had over 20. And Chet Holmgren makes one of the great plays of his young career. Time, place. You know, on the block shot late in the fourth quarter where he is totally beaten on the spin move by. I think it was Alexander Walker. He's. Or no, it was Jaden McDaniels. He's totally beaten on that play. It's 99 of the way into the basket and he recovers because he's seven foot one and makes a totally clean block to basically, you know, pivot off of the, you know, you know, give them leverage. I mean, this was a game that the Thunder took and won very impressively. It was not a game, in my opinion, that the Wolves lost, but I know that that's not necessarily going to be the prevailing opinion because the Thunder, for whatever reason, kind of get a little bit disrespected. And I would just encourage everyone who feels that way to reevaluate after the Denver series and after this game and this performance in this series, I would reevaluate that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And it does feel like the Thunder have been teetering on this monster that can't be stopped. And when you have Jalen Williams and Chet seemingly take this next step, it's like, how do you. How do you. How do you deal with this team? Because you're right. Like, it wasn't. They're usually suffocating on defense. And the one thing you could say about the Thunder, and maybe I'm wrong, but you could back me up here. Like, their offense can go in lulz, and that's where they can be beat. And tonight it was like, their offense was fantastic. And it didn't have to be. Even though Shea scored 40 points, it didn't have to just be him.

[Brian Windhorst]

Exactly. And like so to me. And I will see how this plays out. I don't know how the. How the. You know, I'm not under. I've been around too long to give anybody anything. We'll see how this series plays out. And then there's a whole nother series. But it is very possible that the NBA title will come down to the fourth quarter of game five that they played against Denver. Now, to refresh your memory, I believe the Nuggets are up nine points. Okay, they are in Oklahoma City, but still they're up nine points. They have Jokic, they have Jamal Murray, they have Aaron Gordon. This is before he, you know, gets hurt and they come back and win that game. And in that game, there was, you know, Shea was really good, but Jalen Williams hit a three from the corner, huge clutch shot that basically gave them the difference making play. So they win that game, then they win a game 7, which again, I understand Gordon was hurt, etc. But still, this team hadn't done this before, winning game seven. Then they come in here on a night where, you know, I thought Minnesota put forth a really good effort. Maybe it wasn't an A, but it was a. A minus. You know, pretty damn good performance. And they win in this game extremely impressively as a team. I mean, they are taking the steps that you want to see. And as you said, Cat Shay is. Shay is like 26. Jalen Williams is a third season chat. This is his. Technically his third season, but he's only played two seasons because he missed his whole, you know, rookie year. I mean, what are you supposed to take from that? What you're supposed to take is that, you know, the. The supporting cast around them may change because the second apron rules and they'll draft other guys or whatever. They may not be able to afford to keep all these role players, but I could see these three guys, us talking about these three guys in playoff games like this for the rest of the decade.

[Dan Katz]

Well, we. Here's one that you can. You can throw out there on the Hoop Collective or when you're on Get Up. We. We threw this out there last week. There's a chance if the Thunder win the title this year. This is the worst Thunder team to win a title because they're going to probably win like four or five.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. And they've got so many good draft assets. They still have most of the stuff that they traded Paul George for.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But. But think about that take, though, for a second, because I feel like that could revolutionize sports media if you already overrate a championship that hasn't even happened yet.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, this is the worst under team we'll ever see to win a title.

[Brian Windhorst]

Do you real? Well, do you realize that the Thunder have had an unlucky month? Because I was fascinated by this. I talked to Sam Presti, who was in the room, and he, he, he like made it sound like it was no big deal, but I, I kind of don't believe him. So I want to take you into the lottery room. Okay, so the. There's four numbers drawn, okay? 1, 2, 3, 4, in that order. All right? So the 76ers have the fifth best odds, okay? And if their pick goes to seven or higher, the Thunder get it. All right? So that means if two teams move past the Sixers, they lose their pick and the Thunder get it. All right, first number up, Dallas Mavericks. Hot damn. Cooper Flag is going to be a maverick. That's one team from behind. Philly moves in front. Now all of a sudden, Philly's sitting there one minute into the draft lottery with the sixth pick. Okay, next drawing, San Antonio spurs, also behind the Sixers.

[Dan Katz]

Boop.

[Brian Windhorst]

The Sixers have the seventh pick. That means that the Oklahoma City Thunder, who, by the way, also have the 15th pick in this draft. Now, you know you're not necessarily going to get an all star with the 15th pick, but you know, you get some good players of the 15th pick, okay, for I don't know how long it takes them to reload the lottery balls and then redo it. But let's say it's 90 seconds to 2 minutes, 3 minutes. The Thunder had the seventh pick in this draft, and then, and only then, Phillies number comes up third. So they get the three. That was the only chance they had. If they had stayed, if they had hadn't gotten the third or the fourth, they were losing their pick. But the, but the Thunder actually had it. Now, we didn't. The world didn't see it that way because it happened before. We're watching. But Sam Presti sit in that room going, oh, my God, I just got, I just got the seventh pick. I got the best team with the best record in the league, and I'm about to wake up with the seventh and 15th picks in this draft. So I just want to point that out. While I agree with what you guys are saying, that this team's got a lot more, you know, stuff that they can do to improve this roster going forward as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. So let me ask this. Have you purchased hotel room blocks in both New York And. And Indianapolis.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yes. Not purchased, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Reserved.

[Brian Windhorst]

God, did I get a huge amount of reaction from that. It's an ode to the power of your podcast is more than anything. Let me just make something real clear. When you make a reservation, you don't pay. You don't pay up front. You can hotel, you know, knock on wood. They don't change this rule. You just make the reservation. You got to give them a credit card. They don't take any money. I mean, I realize that's the case like in Vegas, but. But, you know, at Oklahoma City and in Indianapolis, they're not, you know, by the way, it was an issue for. If I had been covering the Eastern Conference finals, you would. Had to prepay for, you know, Indy 500 weekend. That would have been one. But you have to prepay. I saw people saying, would you spend like $30,000? No, I spent $0. ESPN spends $0. Yes. I have three different hotels in New York. I don't know which way. I don't where I want to stay. Maybe I want to stay in Midtown. Maybe I want to stay in downtown. Maybe I want to stay by the park. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what the weather's like.

[PFT Commenter]

So if you're looking to get a hotel room in. In New York City in the next couple weeks and you can't find a good ones because Wendy has them all.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You've collected them?

[Brian Windhorst]

I've got a selection. You know what was sad, though? Like, not sad, but it was just. I had nine different hotel reservations in Boston.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

Cleveland. And Cleveland.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

I had even more in Boston, and I had to cancel them all. It was like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I had, like, nine. I had to cancel because I thought that. I thought the Celtics were going to make it. Clearly. Clearly. The hotel reservation game. And by the way, I had not. When I did that pod with you guys, I had none in Indianapolis.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so I want to talk about the Eastern Conference final, but I have one last question about the West. So the Timberwolves, obviously, Anthony Edwards got to play better. Is he hurt, by the way?

[Brian Windhorst]

I don't think so.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. We had. We landed on. We split the difference. PFT is going with hurt. I said, he's just got to play better. So we figured.

[Brian Windhorst]

All I can tell you is he didn't get any treatment after the game either of the last two nights. And when I came out to do Scott Van Pelt, he was dressed and talking with people outside the locker Room. I had gone to the Thunder press conferences to hear Shea and I missed him. He was not getting any post game long term treatment, you know, long treatment on anything. So I'm sure everybody's got bumps and bruises at this point. But yeah, okay, nothing that, that would be clear like what he was soaking a knee or an ankle or anything like that.

[Dan Katz]

Right. So he's got to play better. Julius Randle has had a great playoffs, has had a tough series at times. What, what do the Timberwolves do though if they lose this series where it's like, hey, they've gone to the Western Conference final two years in a row. Anthony Edwards looks like a up and coming superstar. Is there a, is there a drastic change or they, hey, they already made the drastic change because they already traded Cat for, you know, Julius Randall.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, I don't think they can keep this team together. The core, the big piece is they can, but. So Julius Randle is a free agent. Alexander Walker. Nikhil Alexander Walker is a free agent and Naz Reed is a free agent. He hasn't opt out, which I'm sure he's going to take. And Ant's contract is, you know, very large. Rudy Gobert's contract is way up there. So they have new owners coming on. Mark Laurie and Alex Rodriguez. They have gotten a whole bunch of minority owners that can, you know, they've, they've demonstrated the NBA that they've got a whole bunch of money to operate the team. But I would be surprised if they're able to resign all three guys. I suppose they could trade another player off to, to keep it, but I would. Maybe they can. I mean, I don't know, but I would be kind of surprised if they could afford all three. What they did last year when they traded Carl Towns, they saved money. And then they had Rudy Gobert opt out of his contract and sign a new deal. And the headline was Rudy Gobert gets $100 million. And I know that there were, there were some people that felt a certain way about that. They were like, wait a minute, you traded Carl Towns to save money. Then you gave Rudy Gobert 100 million. What are you doing? But Gobert actually took a pay cut. He opted out of the rest of his contract, took his average salary down, and then added years to the end. And the reason that they did both of those deals was so that they could afford to keep Julius Randall and Nas Reed. They may not be able to afford to keep Alexander Walker. So we're going to have a good team. And also they Traded for Rob Dillingham last year. You know, jumped up in the lottery to do that trade. And then you've seen Terence Shannon Jr. Has been great the last two games. Those are their first round picks this year. So part of what they, what they did, because they are a smart organization, they drafted those two young guys to develop up, to develop around Anthony Edwards. But there is possible that, that all of this core is not going to be back next year.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So on the Thunder side of things and, and think carefully before you answer this. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you enjoy watching SGA play basketball?

[Brian Windhorst]

It's a great question.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks.

[Brian Windhorst]

Because, because you're asking because of the fouls, right? That's what.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, anywhere you want to go.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you, you direct us.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. I don't like, I don't love watching free throws, but here's the thing about him and this, this happened tonight with the, with the, when he threw the ball in between, I don't remember whose legs it was. A lot of times you see him go down. Not every time. Just to be clear. Not every time. A lot of times you see him go down, you're like, wow, that was. He might have exaggerated that contact. And then you look at the replay and he did get hit. And there's also a lot of times where he gets hit and it doesn't get called because he's constantly driving. If he didn't lead the league in drives, he was top two. But I think he led the league in drives. He definitely led the league in free throws. Average three free throws per game. And so, and kind of like that, that ball between the legs tonight, like it looked for sure like it was a travel. People are screaming in the arena, that was a travel. And then you look at the replay and it wasn't. It was just a great play. So I get that it is not, quote unquote, always the most entertaining product to watch a guy hunt mid range shots and go to the floor. His body type, despite him being very strong, his body type, when he goes down, it doesn't always look like he got hammered, but he's actually kind of brilliant at it. And I was talking to a scout this week and what he was saying is he's like, look, I'm watching this Pacers Knick series and I'm seeing hand to hand combat on Jalen Brunson, hand to hand combat on the interior there. And then I watch the Western finals and I see Shay getting regular season fouls. In other words, what you would see, you know, a hand check or something that you would see in February, you're all of a sudden seeing in May, and you're like, I don't know about that. And I guess I would understand that, that, you know, you're used to some physicality, and it doesn't look like there's a lot of physicality that happens when he gets fouled. But I got to tell you, when you re. When you actually review the plays and you review everything, he is getting fouled. And no, I don't love it, but I also respect it because I respect the mastery that he's got.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, the thing is, I. I find myself realizing that I do love watching him play until he does that, and then. Then I get over mad and I lose sight of what a great player he is. But this.

[Brian Windhorst]

I think you're in the. You're in the. You're in the majority. By the way, I. I thought one of the most interesting parts of this series. I don't know if you guys heard because we haven't talked about it on espn, but Shay and. And Nikhil are cousins.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, really?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Brian Windhorst]

There might even be a photo that exists of them as like one year olds, but maybe. I don't know, maybe that hasn't been found yet. I haven't seen it.

[PFT Commenter]

That's wild.

[Brian Windhorst]

More than 85 times. But. But in game one, I think there was a play where Shea obviously took a dive.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Brian Windhorst]

He literally threw himself on the ground and I think the foul was on Nikhil. And he. He. He immediately cursed and looked over at the bench and said, review that bleep. Yeah. And they did. And it was. It was called out. So even his beloved cousin, you know, who is like his second brother or whatever, you know, their. Their. Their. Their bond runs deeper than. Than even their blood. Even he at times thinks it's bull. So, you know, take that.

[PFT Commenter]

You're power broker, Wendy. So maybe you could put this in the year of Adam Silver, have them make. Not. Not just have them make the. The dives reviewable, but if you do take a dive, they should be able to issue like a tech for it after the review, because I get it.

[Brian Windhorst]

If you have that rule, but they.

[PFT Commenter]

Have that where you can team up if it's a clear. If it's a clear dive just on if nothing was called. If they. Or if they. If they called a foul and then they. They review it and they see that it's a dive, can the ref say actually not A foul. It was embellishment. And we're teeing him up because I, I don't think that's the rule.

[Brian Windhorst]

You can call a technical foul on a player for flopping. Now, it never gets called, but you can call and like. And when it does get called, it's always on the defensive player. But I believe, and again, I don't have the rule book in front of me and frankly, I don't know the rule because it's so rarely enforced that you'd never see it. But if a flop is a flop, I do believe the officials have in their latitude. It's kind of like the tush push. When they just declared that you could give a touchdown, I didn't know that rule. I'm pretty sure that they could do it, but I mean, just saying that they could do it doesn't mean that's ever going to happen.

[PFT Commenter]

I would, I think that would be a good compromise because I get it from a ref's point of view, if you're it, you don't want to call a flop in real time because you might be wrong. And what if there actually was a foul? So if, like rely more heavily on the review for that and then hit him over the hammer. Like if, if you are flopping, you should be able to review that and be like, okay, Tech. And I guarantee it would stop. And then I would love watching SGA play. I really would.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, but again, here's the problem. Like, sometimes it looks like he flopped and then you watch the replay and he kind of did get fouled. It wasn't like the greatest, most impressive foul in the history of, you know, Rick Mahorn. But that's the problem with it is that, you know, obviously there are times that happens. But I mean, look, he just won the mvp, so like, it's hard to tell him that his behavior is not being richly rewarded.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Brian Windhorst]

So he's. What he's doing and is damn impressive. And it's also being verified.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

So that's, that's reality.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, let's talk about the Easter Conference final. It is awesome. These two teams are just playing the most chaotic basketball. We said at the beginning of the show the Pacers having the stat where they've had three times where they've been down seven or more under a minute and won those games. And the Knicks being like, oh, anything you can do, we can do better. We've had three games where we've come back from 20 point deficits. What, like going into game four, I don't even know what to make of it. I mean, I guess I'll start with this. Are the Knicks. Do you think Tibbs is going to trust his bench a little bit more going into game four? Was that a circumstance thing where it's like they got in foul trouble, he had to do it. And they know they have to win this series with Jalen Brunson, even though the Jalen Brunson Cat combo has left their defense lacking at times.

[Brian Windhorst]

First off, this series could be anything. It could be 30 Knicks, it could be 30 Pacers, it could be 21 Knicks. It's 21 Pacers, obviously, but either of these teams could have. You could roll these things through and you could have had a different generator come up with. With a different result. And as because of that, I don't know what's going to happen in the series. I just don't know. So now, Tibbs, this is fascinating. Okay, so he played 15 different lineups in game three. I'm sure it's happened. I can never remember a team this deep into the playoffs, conference finals, playing 15 different laps. Maybe if there's like garbage time where it's. It's not a game, but certainly in a. What is effectively an elimination game. Secondly, seven of the lineups had never played together before. Now, I, we have not looked that up. I will stand on that being a first in history that, that seven different lineups played in, in down 02 in a conference finals game, Especially for him.

[Dan Katz]

Especially the guy we're talking about. Who, who does not want to play, who, who does not want to get out of his rotations, who does not want to play a deep bench. It. It was crazy.

[Brian Windhorst]

And by the way, like, I understand why there was a lot of frustration that Cat didn't play down the stretch of Game 2, but he was making a tactical decision that I understood. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I understood the tactical decision. This decision is whenever I put Cat and Brunson out there, we have difficulty stopping the other team. We can't get stops. And when Mitchell Robinson is out there, we do. You know, Joe Missoula in the last round when he was fouling Mitchell Robinson to get him off the court, the same thing was kind of plaguing them. They're everybody in their starting lineup in several of the games in that series was underwater. They were under. They were all minus and plus, minus. And Missoula was like, the reason I want him off the floor is because he's the only guy who positively affects the score when he's out there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

And so Missoula was basically talking about what Tibbs and this Pacers already see, and Carlisle pretty much said it. After game three, he comes out and he goes, well, they played better defensive players.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Brian Windhorst]

And now some of that reason he played 15 lineups was because Brunson was in foul trouble and McBride was in foul trouble and Cat was in foul trouble. And so now he's. Now the circus wheel is starting and he's just trying to catch up. He didn't plan it that way. But what I want to know is what would have happened if Brunson played his normal minutes in the fourth quarter? Yeah, maybe the win. Like I'm not trying to tell you that I know, but there was a reason why Tibbs kept him on the bench till there was a minute 30 left. And it wasn't because he was afraid he was going to foul out with 240 left. He kept him in because under that current lineup, having Cat be the featured offensive player with only one defensive sort of hole at the other end was working. Now, part of the reason I think it was working is that the Pacers were guarding the Knicks the way they guard the Knicks, as if they had their normal lineup out there. They were guarding Shamet and who else did they play? They were guarding them like it was Bridges and Anobi. And if that happened again, they would know that they're going to put two people on Cat with Brunson's on the bench. And if, If Landry Shammac can hit an open three, God bless you. But they were. They were leaving Miles Turner out there on an island and Cat was toasting him, which is, by the way, that's the way Cat operates. He's an all NBA player. He got. He's an all NBA player because he destroys you on the offensive end. But against the Pacers in a playoff setting, having Brunson and Cat out there together is sometimes difficult. And so what ended up, what I think is probably going to happen in Game 4, in addition to Robinson continuing to start, because he gives them a better opportunity to. To balance out their roster a little bit more with, you know, how they can defend. I think you're going to see the stagger. What I mean by that is the time which Cat is on the court without Brunson and Brunson was without Cat. Expand a little bit.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

Even if it's literally just by a minute a quarter. And again, I'm not arguing to play Cat more than Brunson or I just think if you only have one, because by the way, at the end of the game when they both were out there, there was, I think, one defensive possession where Tibbs had to have maybe two. The Pacers immediately put them both in the pick and roll and they didn't get a basket out of it because the Knicks were able to get it done. But even down the stretch he was. Tibbs did a good job and kept his timeouts. He was pulling Brunson and Cat out of the game because he don't want either of them out there. And so look, it's a tactical thing and if Brunson has a 45 point game, which he is absolutely capable of doing, and his offensive prowess outweighs whatever happens defensively, which has happened dozens of times in his Knicks career and will happen dozens of more times. Cool. I'm not arguing that they are quote unquote better without him or whatever, but I do think they give themselves a better chance to win if in the 48 minute pie they have some of. They have more of it where only one of them is on the court. Especially if you can get Miles McBride hit a couple of big shots or you can hit bridges or, you know, whether it's Landry Shaman or whoever. And I think that's what they're going to probably have to try to do in game four.

[Dan Katz]

And I also should say, like, the Knicks played a lot better defense. I also think, like, maybe if you're the Pacers, and I don't know how much a coach can bank on this, but the Pacers had been running very, very hot. And then in game three, it finally fell back down to earth. They shot terribly from three. That was bound to happen eventually. So that game was going to happen to them eventually. Do they say, hey, look, we're still the same team and I mean, Rick Carlisle is such an underrated coach. The way they confuse the Knicks and that is a lot because of Cat and Brunson on the court at the same time. But it feels like the Pacers, they got to just keep doing what they're doing a little bit and be like, hey, if you want to play a defensive lineup, you're not going to be able to have the offense to keep up with us.

[Brian Windhorst]

I wish I could give the person the credit that I saw this from, but, you know, because of the, the tracking systems that now have, they can track where everything moves on the court. I saw that the ball that Brunson or that Halliburton made in game two, where the ball Bounced, went straight up in the air and came back down. Was the highest bounce off of the rim that has happened in the playoffs this year.

[Dan Katz]

Whoa.

[Brian Windhorst]

They literally had a chart of every ball that came off the rim and Halliburton's was the highest. So yes, I think they were running a little bit hot.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's because Jim Mercedes just dunked it back in. That's what that was.

[Dan Katz]

That's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

I can't believe they tracked that, but I, I should assume.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah, I wish I could, I wish I could. It was, I saw it on, on X and I wish I could give the person credit and I should have before I said it known that, but that was the key. So. Yeah, I think that there is something to that. Another thing I'm going to say is that a big factor is Aaron Neesmith's ankle.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. So what do you hear?

[Brian Windhorst]

You guys know.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, it's not good when they announce he's a game time decision the day before because like you got to figure he's going to probably play because it's a playoff game and if you're a game time decision, you're probably going to play. The question is how effective can you be? And I was, I spent time today talking to the, the ex players who I work with at espn, Lee, Donna Haslam and Iman Shumpert and, and Perk talking to him about like, you know when you roll your ankle because sometimes you see that, you see a guy roll his ankle and then he'll finish the game and then the next next day it's like it's blown up. And that's the kind of ankle injury where you maybe miss a game or two in the regular season. You know, talking about the stuff that you can do to try to keep the swelling down, you can play. But look, he's going to be affected and he's super duper important and he plays 100 miles an hour. So that to me more than any X's and O thing or whatever lineup you want to play or who's ever got a hot shot, that potentially is a huge X factor. And another reason why if you're a Knicks fan, you think that you can do it first off, the Knicks win on the road, they win close games on the road. It's, it's a, it's an ode to their mental toughness. It is the, their number one attribute in my opinion is their mental toughness business. And that's all comes from Brunson, Brunson and Tibbs to a certain Extent, you know, and some of their guys are, you know, Anunoby's heart rate never increases and, you know, Bridges is shown to be. Can be. Can make big plays, but it's, it's mostly comes from Brunson. The guy is an absolute stone cold killer. And so when you are. When you've won six road games, you don't care if you're down to one like you, you believe you can do it. So the Knicks will come in with belief and they could come in with one of the most important players who guards Brunson being diminish. So I have no idea what's going to happen in that game, but if I'm the Knicks, I. I believe. I believe in myself.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So the, the Pacers might be losing niece Smith or maybe get a hobbled knee Smith, but they're gaining a super fan in Tyrese Halberton's dad. So can you tell us what happened behind the scenes, how this negotiation went down? Because ever since, you know, we. We understand you can't try to fight Giannis on the court. That's probably crossing a couple lines. We probably a suspension was. Was worthy. But then we thought about it. We're like, wait, what if they're playing in the Eastern Conference? What if they're playing in the NBA Finals and he's not allowed in the building? That seems a little bit harsh. So I'm glad that the league came around on it. But what happened? Do you know anything about what happened behind the scenes?

[Brian Windhorst]

I think basically the league was like, you have to do something. And, you know, it was like, maybe they checked in a couple of times. We're like, hey, is something. Have we done something? And, you know, now it's like a nice little, like, secret weapon. Now there will be something to fire the fans up and fire Tyrese up, by the way. So here's the problem. It's very difficult for me to talk about this because I have a good relationship with the Halliburton family, which a lot of people do. It's not like I'm trying to sell a lot of people. If you're around the Pacers or you've been around Team usa, you know, John and Brenda Halliburton. Okay. You just know them. And by the way, like, one of the more remarkable things that's happened last week, after Tyrese hits the game winner or won the Forces overtime and, you know, does the choke sign or whatever, I guess I was game one. A minute ago I said I was game, too. He does the choke sign. His mom, Brenda, goes to the Today show the next day and stands in the rain outside the Today show with a Pacer sign.

[PFT Commenter]

I love it.

[Brian Windhorst]

Did you guys. Did you guys know that?

[Dan Katz]

No, I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

I just saw his dad in the bar doing the choke sign.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, yes, and I'm not sure that was very helpful, especially he brought the towel. But I adore John Halliburton. You. You know, and I spent a lot of time with him, like, in. With Team USA across the planet. So, like, I am biased when I say I want him to be in the building, but he obviously can't go out in the court and he don't bring the towel. That's what I would tell John. John, don't bring the towel. Okay? Just don't antagonize. You want to get yourself down on the court and you. You know, if Tyrese is in a situation where he's playing in a possible clinching road game, you want to be able to go, whether it's in the conference finals or it's in the finals. But, yeah, Brenda Halliburton, who, again, is just wonderful, she went with her friend, they go to the Today show, and Craig Melvin, I think is out there, and Carson Daly and Craig Melvin, and this woman goes, yeah, this is. They're like, holding Pacers. I mean, she's just a woman from. From Wisconsin going to the big city. Why would. What do you do in the big city for Wisconsin? You go to the Today show. It was the next morning, like, at 11pm Tyrese is putting the choke up on the Knicks. And at like, 8:15, she's outside the Today show. She got up early, got her Pacers flag out and was on tv. And, like, you can tell that they're like, do we really believe this is Tyrese's mother?

[Dan Katz]

That's amazing.

[Brian Windhorst]

And there she is, like, I mean, wholesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right.

[Brian Windhorst]

I realized that Tyrese and the way he plays is. Is somewhat hateable. And if you're a Knicks fan, you hate him. I get it. But, I mean, I have a hard time not wanting good things for the Halliburton family. I guess if that makes me biased, so be it. But. So, yeah, I'm glad John's. By the way, I think the John Halliburton story, you guys would know this, like, on the metrics. People care about this because on all the ESPN shows I was on today, we pushed out.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

Nick's pace. Other pieces of Nick's Pacers coverage, to get John Halliburton coverage in there.

[Dan Katz]

It's a hilarious story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. It's great. All right, Wendy, we've kept you long enough. It's. We appreciate you joining us. It's midnight.

[Brian Windhorst]

Kept you long enough.

[Dan Katz]

No, no, no. We. I told you, we're built for this. I got one last question. Rollback question. R, H, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. Have to ask a LeBron question as contract. You know, it's in your contract whenever you come on. I saw LeBron complaining about the sky cam four weeks later.

[Brian Windhorst]

I didn't see this. This is your. This is new to me.

[Dan Katz]

All right, so he did. He did his podcast with Steve Nash, and he was. And he was basically like, I've never seen that camera before. Where was that? The strip on Anthony Edwards where they had the Hawkeye. Yeah, the Hawkeye. So to put it to. Because I think he was kind of dipping into, like, they just pulled that out to. To get me on this one. Is that a camera that the NBA refs use often, or is it always at their disposal?

[Brian Windhorst]

Great question. I don't exactly know the answer. The Hawkeye, I believe. Don't hold me to this. I believe this is its second year. I mean, we're going to go down the rabbit hole here. Your listener is probably going to be like, I don't care about this. There used to be this other different tracking technology that they use, and then that contract ended, and then they. This new company came in with this new technology called Hawkeye, and they put these. These cameras up in the ceiling, and they're used for, like, mostly internal stuff for internal tracking and stuff like that. This year, late in the season was the first time I saw them using it in replays. However, for all I know, and I don't know, they were using in Secaucus all year.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Brian Windhorst]

But this is a newer tracking system called Hawkeye that does exist. No, they didn't just put it in to. To get LeBron. It's been used on other. On other players in the postseason.

[PFT Commenter]

So.

[Brian Windhorst]

But, you know, I can understand why LeBron thinks something went against him. Nothing's ever gone his way.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it was just very funny clip because it was like four weeks ago this happened, and he was just like, yeah, where the hell this camera.

[PFT Commenter]

They also. At the end of the. The Nuggets game with the. The. The slam dunk at the very end of the game.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it got that right, like, as far as I can tell, like the one frame, it like got it right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

So, yeah, it was, it was a bit. People were a bit in the league. People were like, we don't want to switch off our old technology. They were kind of against the Hawkeye. But now I think the Hawkeye has come into its own.

[Dan Katz]

This. This is why you're the best. Yeah. You have a story about the contract ending.

[Brian Windhorst]

I don't know how good of a. I don't know how good of a. How good of a story it was, but yes, that's a new thing. Also, there were meetings at ESPN with our stats people with the Hawkeye operation to detail the incoming Hawkeye. And I guess next time they need to invite LeBron.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brian Windhorst]

Get on the zoom.

[PFT Commenter]

He should see him on that email.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

While you're here, is LeBron gonna take less money?

[Brian Windhorst]

Don't think so. I think, I do not think that is in the plan. I think the real question is, will LeBron opt out? Because right now he's got a max contract and a no trade clause. And if he opts out, the Lakers could ask for concessions. Now their history is that they take care of star players and it's a smart way to go. It's a good investment in the future. It was something that Jerry Buss started and Jeannie Buss has continued. And so do I believe that they wouldn't give LeBron what he wanted? I don't necessarily believe that. However, when you opt out of your contract, you know it's time for negotiation. Now, he was a second team all NBA player this year. They've never really negotiated with him. They give him what he wanted. But if he thinks that the Lakers may want to try to offer him less or not give him the no trade clause, he could in theory just opt into his contract and so. And he could just say, I'm opting into my contract because I'm taking it year to year, and not indicate that there was any issue with the Lakers. But I do not think it's in the cards that he's taking less money. It's not that necessarily. He wants every dime, although he does want every dime. I don't think he believes that free agency is got anybody in it where if he takes less money that the Lakers could go use their mid level and like have a transformational player. They may disagree with that and they may come to him with a plan where they show him that if you take $12 million less, we can Sign this guy and maybe he'll change his mind. But as far as I know from my conversations, the intention is for him to continue to make all of the max which he has earned.

[Dan Katz]

Yep. Okay. All right. Wendy, you are the best. We appreciate your time. Like I said, it's 12:11 Central Time and you hopped on with us after SVP. So thank you so much. And everyone go listen to the Hoop collective and see Wendy everywhere. You're looking good. And everyone be nice to Wendy on the streets.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah, you can be nice to me. Just, you know, you can say something. If you don't like it, fine, but just, you know, I don't like necessarily being fun, having stuff thrown at me or having people put their hands on me in that way, but.

[Dan Katz]

Agreed.

[Brian Windhorst]

But hey, I just want to say to Knicks fans, that was a wonderful, wonderful night for the Knicks fans. Being inside the Garden for that game was amazing. There was pure euphoria. And let that be what the memory is of that. Not, you know, these punk kids who were, you know, frankly stoned and, you know, had nothing better to do at 12:30 in the morning.

[PFT Commenter]

They were high on the weed.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. Stay off the weed. As Stephen A.

[Brian Windhorst]

Tells us, some people may. There. There may have been some weed smoke blown in my face as well.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Did they blow in your ear like to get you high? Did you get secondhand?

[Brian Windhorst]

I was, I was. Look, I can't move very fast, but I was moving as fast as I could move, let's put it that way.

[Dan Katz]

All right. You're the best, Wendy. Thanks so much, man.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Narrator]

And now for something completely different.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest in studio. It is Tyson Ritter from the All American Rejects. And this is an awesome one because first of all, thank you for being here.

[Narrator]

Yeah, man, thanks for having me.

[Dan Katz]

It's sick. You're about, you're, you're in 20 minutes gonna go on and do a show at our office, which is like, I don't even, I don't really expl, I don't know how to explain it that you're actually doing these type of shows, but it is the coolest thing that you're doing these. So thanks for being here. And let's start from that. Like you guys are just doing house parties and random shows.

[Narrator]

Yeah, we're doing house parties. Like this was born, an idea born. And like we played USC in Los Angeles because we did a show the night before for a bunch of suits and it was like a big limp dick, man. It was awful, man. It was so whack. And so we just took a flyer out on a local college radio station. We're like, hey, you got a house we can play at? And they're like, we scared up somebody that's brave enough to do it. And it was like the veil was lifted on 400 of these 20 somethings who just never have crowd surf before.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

And wanted to bring 40s and hold them in the air.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Fucking righteous, man.

[Dan Katz]

So how many have you done?

[Narrator]

We've done eight, man.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Narrator]

Because we did. That's funny. We Did a bowling alley the other night because we got rained out at the house. Thank fucking God. It was going to be a fucking disaster. And so like 5,000 people wrapped around the block. And we made the call. We're like, we can only get 500 people. And the, the bowling alley guy's like, I, I'm gonna get shut down. So we're like, let's just kick him out right after we play and do a second set. And we did, man, we got like another crowd. It's feral, man. It's great.

[Dan Katz]

And you're doing them. You're, you're not like these are. You're just doing them for free for the people.

[Narrator]

For the people, my friend. For the people. Yeah, man. Dude, you know the system of, you know, we're watching it fall right now. Like these paper tickets, giant dynasties going to these giant rooms and selling half the room, $800 a pop. And then they dish out hundreds of tickets to local promoters to just give them away to the next 20,000 people.

[Dan Katz]

Right?

[Narrator]

So it's like I'm the Guy bought an $800 ticket and Joe Blow behind me didn't pay anything for the sausage I bought. Yeah, like, how is there not like a big class action lawsuit?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It does seem to me like the music industry over the last 25 years. Really since Napster started. But. But what more once streaming became a thing, it seems like a, a very tough business to make it work at as an artist.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Narrator]

Because making it work, man, like, like nowadays it's like visibility, you know, we. Celebrity is driving music, man. You could have the biggest celebrity pop star in the world fart on a track and that shit's a hit just because she did it.

[PFT Commenter]

We should do that, by the way. Everyone, we.

[Narrator]

You guys should do far tracks all over.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Seriously.

[Narrator]

Do a barstool sports playlist. Everybody in, everybody in the room. This is his fart man.

[Dan Katz]

So I have to be so fulfilling to just be like that close to your fans and people who enjoy your music because it's such a cool. Like when we go, we'll do, you know, road trips and we'll do meetups and it's like they always almost like reinvigorate me where I'm like, oh yeah, these are the people who are enjoying us. And it's like a face to them, you know? And it's so cool.

[Narrator]

Yeah. Cuz when you're on eye level with your heroes that are. Most years are like probably 7ft tall, but you know, these gladiators that you Cover, you know, you're removed from them through the lens of the television screen or whatever. But when you get face to face, when you're at eye level with a fan, they are. They are having a transcendent moment, Right. Like when you meet. When any of these guys that watch this shit meet the sport. I met fucking, you know, Peyton Manning at a. At a steak restaurant.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

And that dude was awesome. They're done for life. Like, they're like, Peyton Manning, best guy in the world.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I have to imagine that it's great for you guys, too. Do you guys get a sense of nostalgia? Like, it brings you back to when you were first starting?

[Narrator]

Yeah, when we do, we started this in VFWs backyards, people passing around a tip jar just to give us gas money for the van. I mean, it. It. You know, when we started this new record, our biggest intention was just like, wow, we need to find out why. We love doing this, man, especially with writing new music. Because so many people, so many people in our little class of. Of of bands, man, you can hear they're trying to, like, emulate, just to shake the purse strings. And we're like this, man. Like, we got to shake it up for us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's interesting in that genre of music, which I'm. I'm a massive fan of, I. I love pop punk. I love punk music. I love alternative. I love all that stuff. For that, it feels like a lot of bands, they either died real soon and you could hear kind of the creativity and the inspiration draining from their music, or they had to evolve. And when you evolve in that genre, you might lose some fans that you used to have. You might gain some new fans. What was it like for you guys? Did you make a conscientious effort to change the music at all or to just grow, just let things happen, man.

[Narrator]

We never. We. I. You never approach art with the intention of writing for someone besides yourself. Like, if it's truth and if it's coming out of you, it's because you are drawn to it and you have to find it. You got to pull it out of the old cosmos and put it on paper. And I think authenticity right now is so permeable and perceptible. Is that a word?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

We can perceive this so much now through our black mirrors, right? So, like, if something's bullshit, it screams bullshit. Especially on the feed. You're like, yeah. Oh, man, that's a real dude. Oh, man, here's horseshit, you know? Like, it bleeds in your hands. So, yeah, I think. I think the people that are fucking it up for themselves, I think, you know, the cream. The cream rises and the milk sinks.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have a song that you've written that you're the most proud of?

[Dan Katz]

Good question.

[Narrator]

Yeah, man. I think the one that I didn't expect, you know, where I'm in a hotel and there's a guy coming up to me when I'm checking out, and he's like, hey, man, I just want to let you know, I bought two tickets to this guy concert and was only able to redeem one because my brother, he, you know, he passed. He's like. But I want to let you know, you know, move along. What? Every day, that. That gave him more life and more willing, you know, will to live. And I looked at him and I, you know, I was, you know, full body goosebumps, just going, like, man, I might be a bad dude sometimes, but that guy made me feel like a pretty good guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's great.

[Dan Katz]

That's all.

[Narrator]

Maybe I got a little. Little blank check into heaven because maybe that guy kind of got another six months with his brother or some.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. In your path as a band, was there a moment? Because I always. I'm always curious, like, people who've made it or, you know, made great things. Was there a moment where you're like, okay, this is actually a real thing that I'm gonna do for a living. Because it can be hard and daunting, I'm sure, musician, where there's moments you're like, I don't know. I gotta go get a real job. Like, I don't know what to do.

[Narrator]

We had a. We had a song called Swing, Swing on our first record. And then there was an interim where we. Our label, DreamWorks, got sold to Interscope, right? This giant ivory tower. And we were writing a second record. And they always say, you got your whole life to write your first record, but then you get that hit and then what's coming next, right? That's when the man's breathing down your neck. Come on, son. And I was like, 18. And dad at the label was like, you got this, kid. You got this. And there was a moment, man, where I was like, I got 40 grand in the bank. I can go to college, or maybe I can just go work at fucking Blockbuster and kind of, I don't know, try to deploy that money in a smart way to kind of keep me out of college long enough to have fun. I don't know. But, yeah, dude, that was a. That's a really fucked up thing. I mean, when you guys first started taking off, was there ever a dip, or was this always just. Was the trajectory just always been like this for you guys?

[PFT Commenter]

I think for us, the dips came before we started the show.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So we. We've been, like, kind of in the industry a little bit. Like, Big Cat worked here at Barstool for a while. I was blogging for, like, six different websites, getting paid 25 bucks per article. Like, we. It wasn't always great, but then once we got to. Once this started, I think we knew that, okay, this is what.

[Narrator]

This is working.

[Dan Katz]

And I think the moment that the clarity of, like, oh, this is actually. This is my career now, was, like, so freeing because it's like, oh, when.

[Narrator]

Did you accept that? When did you actually go like, this is it, man?

[Dan Katz]

I think it was right around when we started this show, and it was, like, started to hit off because it wasn't like I was ever thinking, oh, I'm. I'm gonna leave Barstool or anything, but there was definitely times you're like, all right, I'm writing a blog. I'm having fun. I'm talking about sports. Can I do this when I'm.

[Narrator]

Can I make a living?

[Dan Katz]

Right, Right. So then when we got together and started the podcast, it started to kind of all click into place, like, oh, yeah, this is kind of. This is my life now.

[Narrator]

And this is crazy, huh?

[Dan Katz]

And you do feel this freedom of, like, now I can kind of go for it.

[Narrator]

Yeah. Autonomy in this programmed world. It's like you feel like. You kind of. You feel like Charlie Bucket, right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Narrator]

Like, you see people like that. Look at you going, oh, dude. And you're like, yeah. You're sitting at a desk, man. You're. You're having a. You're having a. You're having a rough go. I'm living a dream for you, man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Trying to.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Crazy.

[Dan Katz]

I don't take a day from. For granted in that respect.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Narrator]

That's good to say.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But it's. I feel it. I wake up every day. I'm just like, holy.

[Narrator]

Holy. This is my life, bro. Dude, same, man. Honestly, like, dude, we're on a bus right now because we were. We funded this whole little crazy run ourselves. We, like, took 50 grand. We're like, let's just. Let's get a bus. Let's pay the crew. So we're all 12 sardines in one bus right now.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, are you guys all Sleeping on the bus.

[Narrator]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's like, oh, man, we're in the boat.

[Dan Katz]

No, on the bus.

[Narrator]

No, no, that's.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we know that rule. You know that rule.

[Narrator]

You guys bit of those things.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, we've. That is a hard and fast rule.

[PFT Commenter]

One person will try to break that rule per road trip.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

And then there's the lore of bag drops. You. Do you. Have you. Have you been shamed? Have you been in a compromising position to have to do a bag drop? Is this guy behind glass?

[PFT Commenter]

Is that when you empty the gray water tank out?

[Dan Katz]

Oh, what is it? Is that it?

[Narrator]

That's when you line a. That's when you line a toilet and you have to do the thing and then you take that trash bag.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, you're sitting in a bag and.

[Narrator]

You gotta drop it on the highway and hope to God nobody's behind you. I've heard horror stories.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a Chicago no.

[Narrator]

Yeah, but it's like a grenade, Matthews. Right. It's just like a one and done. Like, it's just a full on pulling the one arm bandit and like, let's let her rip.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't say that we've done that, but we might have to try.

[Narrator]

I've seen many a men gamble.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a question for you about. About video games, actually, because one of my favorite bands of all time, Goldfinger, they reached an audience that they. I don't think ever would have. They already had a big audience, but they became like international to an extent because they were on the Tony Hawk soundtrack.

[Narrator]

Sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

That was huge.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know they gained a ton of fans from that, and I know a lot of people have. Have started to follow you guys through video game soundtracks. Yeah.

[Narrator]

Rock Band, when that was going, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, man, that, that, like, was just a synchronistic moment in our ascension to just be like, I have so many dudes that are like, yo, bro. Yeah, Lego Rock Band, man. I'm like, what the. You get a Lego one?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

I don't know if I got paid for that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Was that like a. Was that a conscious decision that you guys made?

[Narrator]

Like, no, man. He was flying. And we're just like, dude, yeah. Like, I don't. I don't know. Like, let's just this. Let's. We make this music to share, man. Get it out in any way we can.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, but there's. There's tons of people I know at this office that have heard you guys on video Games. That was their introduction to you?

[Narrator]

Yeah, I think we got a Madden with one. Like. Yeah, there was. There was a lot of sports stuff, a lot of like, driving games and. Yeah, man, it's. It wasn't what it is now. So. Yeah, we were just taking a flyer.

[Dan Katz]

Going, hey, that's new audiences.

[Narrator]

Listen, that's. That's. I don't know if we were thinking that. We're just like, hey, that's a pretty decent check.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a good. Yes. You guys said yeah, for sure.

[Dan Katz]

When you. When you guys. You guys took a hiatus. How long was the hiatus?

[Narrator]

13 years.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so. 13 years. How, like, during that hiatus were you just. Were there moments where you just like, ah, we got to get back together? Because I'm always curious with, with. With bands especially.

[Narrator]

We didn't break up, man. I feel like a lot of people, a lot of bands, like, in our se. Men, like, they did the. They did the Kiss thing where they're like, we're breaking up. And then like two years later.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Back together.

[Dan Katz]

Because you guys are making stuff.

[Narrator]

It's an opportunistic choice, man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The retirement tour, you guys.

[Narrator]

Right. It's a move.

[Dan Katz]

You guys are making stuff here and there throughout the hiatus.

[Narrator]

Yeah, we were like dabbling, trying to find a new way to kind of make the sausage, you know, like the dynamic of growth. When you start at 17, which I'm sure you guys have seen even since you started this podcast, who's going to take what? And how's this flow going? I. We had this lived experience together and then we departed. We literally geographically separated from each. Each other. And I kind of got better at in my own space about, like, writing some music. And that's what this whole new record with. We got this song dropping called Easy Come, Easy Go in June. And it doesn't sound like what you know us as.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a great song.

[Narrator]

Fucking lit, dude. Yeah, I'm really proud of it because it's like, you know, when you're 17, writing songs.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

You're writing about heartbreak. You're writing about something that's actually there and tangible to you. But when you're past your 30s, like, there's something, there's something else. When you can look back, your family's falling the part you got, you know, there's a lot of rich ground just besides, oh, you know, somebody just broke my heart.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

You know.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a really dumb question for you.

[Narrator]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

Have you always been cool? You're cool. I mean, like, which is kind of hard to look.

[Narrator]

Dude, none of us were cool, man. You guys were sports junkies, and I bet you were since you were kids. You know, like, rock and roll is born in. In a kid's bedroom who doesn't have friends.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true. I tell people that all the time.

[Dan Katz]

They're like, great quote, like, how do you.

[PFT Commenter]

How do you play guitar? I said, well, the best thing to do is be 13 years old, don't have anything else to do in your life, and just be obsessed with playing guitar. Listen to the music.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

We were not the sports stars. That's as far as, like, you know, we were drawn to music and, you know, subversive music that isn't on the radio that, that, that really limits the pool of friends to be like, yo, do you like, like, do you like this kind of rock and roll? It's like, no, man, I'm listening to Britney Spears right now. That, that really thinned the herd out. Yeah, but, yeah, it's born in. It's born in garages, born in basements, born in. In between Playboy magazines.

[PFT Commenter]

Hell yeah. What did you listen to growing up?

[Narrator]

Oh, man, you know, I was. I was a poor kid from Oklahoma. So, like, I hopped in people's cars to get rides home. And I was just a radio kid, man. Like, I remember when, like, that enema the state dropped, I remember that was like, blasting in the parking lot. I remember when it was bring your music to school day and it was like. Was playing over here. It was like Nine Inch Nails. Whenever that came out, like, I want to. You like an animal. Like, that was, you know, everybody heard loud in a school. You're like, you lie. It was like an awakening for a bunch of Oklahoma kids. And, you know, zero Smashing Pumpkins. I remember that record was in the corner over there. And then like, you got Tragic Kingdom by no Doubt.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Narrator]

It was just like this swath of the good thing about being from Oklahoma is MTV fed us well. Like, that was MTV spring break. You're seeing the people you want to be on the house's style turntable with models walking by. Like, that was like, MTV sold a really cool yes dream to us 90s, like the 80s babies that kind of really found our form in the 90s. So I feel. I feel really bad that kids don't have that today.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, trl, I used to watch trl, like every day.

[Narrator]

TRL was sick. Yeah, but like, dude, MTV spring break.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, the best.

[Narrator]

I. I remember I was off for school, but I sat on my ass watching Limp Bizkit play the house.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it was.

[Narrator]

It was, yeah. Iconic, man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

It does suck that we don't have that. There's no. What's the word?

[Narrator]

Where's that today?

[PFT Commenter]

Monoculture.

[Dan Katz]

It's monoculture. Yeah. Where everyone.

[Narrator]

That's a big word that I do not know.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like the thing that everybody pays attention to, TRL.

[Dan Katz]

Like, if you. If band made it on TRL in top 10, you were like, everyone knew that song then. Whereas now it's like, oh, you have your favorite band. I have my favorite band. It's all, like, pockets everywhere.

[Narrator]

I think it's even harder. It's like there's a. It's like the monoculture is like. There's four people.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

It's like right now, it's. What is it? It's like Chapel Roan, Sabrina Carpenter, Ed Sheeran, maybe.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

He's seen him a lot lately. Like, it's like we don't. The pool is, like, for the masses. Has totally become like a. Like a kiddie pool.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Versus. I feel like we. We're so spoiled, man. We had a really cool, like, pond to dip into.

[PFT Commenter]

Which one of your peers that, like, as you guys were huge in like the 2000s. Do you. Were you ever, like, really good friends with any of those bands?

[Narrator]

Oh, man, we were. We were so. You know, we were so Oklahoma, man. We were just like, smoking weed and drinking every night.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Narrator]

Like, it was just like, nobody really wanted to hang out with us because we weren't, like, doing the scene and wearing the uniform. You know, a lot of the kids in our scene, like, it was like eyeliner and. And. And dark clothes and hoodies and shit. And we were just like, T shirt and jeans band from Oklahoma. The music was the only thing that, like, worked for us.

[PFT Commenter]

So what do you think it is about some of those bands that now it feels like we're going through almost a second wave of popularity for them?

[Narrator]

Yeah. I don't know what it is, man.

[PFT Commenter]

You've got, like, My Chemical Ride selling out there. They're like, selling out stadiums.

[Narrator]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like, massively popular again and whatever. I'm super glad that it is because.

[Narrator]

I mean, I think it speaks to culture now. Right. I think people are Spotify as much as it be damned to so many artists for the way that they kind of pay the artists. You know, you got a kid listening to a metal playlist, listening to current metal, and then Black Sabbath comes on.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Narrator]

But it's in that same feed. It's not on a 70s radio station of rock. And they're like, who the Is this crazy train?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

And, you know, they don't realize the genesis of the whole thing. It's just this giant melting pot. So I feel like nostalgia isn't. It's not. It's. I think it's by happenstance. Like, people are like, wow, this shit's good.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

And it was written yesterday. I don't really fucking care. Can I see that band now? I'm gonna go see that shit.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it is true. Like, Spotify. I'm sure you have a different deal with them. Obviously, we like Spotify. They put.

[Narrator]

Oh, no, I like them. But, yeah, I don't have any problem with them. I hear a lot artists, like, speak out about how they don't pay them well. And I'm just like, well, I mean, hey, man, like, this is the game. What is music? The music industry ever really treated artists, right? Done a 5050 split with the artist, right? It's an equal partnership, son. We're right here just to support you.

[Dan Katz]

But Spotify, one of my favorite things to do is. Is do the Spotify radio, where you pick, like, one, you know, song you like or band you like, and then it just goes. And then you find new stuff.

[Narrator]

You're like, oh, like, feed me, man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right.

[Narrator]

What are you guys listening to? Right. Right now I'm just curious what's in the. What's in the spin table.

[PFT Commenter]

So I. I'm getting like, real, real deep into some that I think I might need to take a break from because it's breaking my brain. I found. I found this artist on Spotify. It was on the like for you playlist. And I. I think he's a great songwriter. He's put out three songs on his own, but it's all, like, super professionally produced with professional musicians. You can tell. I think he might be AI because I'm trying to find him everywhere online. Because I'm like, this guy rocks duped by that.

[Narrator]

It's that good now, isn't it?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. I'm not. I want to say his name because I don't want to say that he's AI, but I'm doing a personal investigation.

[Narrator]

Into him right now. Holy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I'm like, what are you going.

[Narrator]

To do if it's actually not a human?

[PFT Commenter]

I think I might just quit the Internet at that point.

[Narrator]

Sweet. It's going to be the last broadcast.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it might be. No, I, I don't know. I, I, I tend to get stuck in, in ruts with bands that I've always listened to. Like, I, I rarely add new music to my repertoire, if that makes sense.

[Narrator]

Yeah, a strong phalanx.

[PFT Commenter]

I should add more, but I can go back and I can listen to Mighty, Mighty Boss Tones again. Yeah, I think that feels good.

[Narrator]

Yeah, man. Yeah. I want to get back. I want to smell CK1.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, exactly. Did you tour with CKY?

[Narrator]

Oh, yeah, dude. We toured with CK.

[PFT Commenter]

How insane was that?

[Narrator]

My first tour.

[PFT Commenter]

That was your. Your first tour? You went out first with a CKY guy?

[Narrator]

National tour.

[Dan Katz]

That's incredible.

[Narrator]

You want to hear a whack ass story? It's funny, man. So the guitarist of that band's this guy named Chad. And he's like, he's like, I'm Chad. And he's like, very, you can tell he idolizes Gigi Allen and like, really is all about sort of this, I don't know, sort of spectacle of vulgarity. And like, you know, Gigi Allen used to like, shit in his hand, rubbing on his chest. And we were doing this run with him and they picked us to be on the tour. And we get like 10 shows into them. They're like, they like, bled back to us and they're like, yo, man, CKY doesn't like you guys. Like, they don't like your band, man. They don't want you on this tour. We're like, all right, well, fuck, they can tell us that they don't want us. And then one night, Chad got up on the merch table and goes, don't buy this band's merch and this Warner van, man. Like, we need that gas money. Like that. What a dick. And so the next night we were like, at their hometown of Philly. And when they got on stage, we went and drank all their beer and they kicked us off.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a bridge too.

[Narrator]

And that felt really good.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Good for you. Go out with a nice buzz.

[Dan Katz]

Hell yeah. Awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

[Narrator]

That's a fun one.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, I, I got one last question for you. Yeah, man, awesome. Everyone, Everyone go. You guys are on tour all summer?

[Narrator]

Yeah, man. We're actually. This is a fun one. We're going out with the Jonas Brothers this fall.

[Dan Katz]

Hell yes.

[Narrator]

We're doing, like, arenas and stadiums with them. If you want to see a, a really interesting juxtaposition, come to the early Shows tour.

[PFT Commenter]

And how many more of the backyard shows are you gonna be doing?

[Narrator]

We, We've kind of Put a pin because we got the Indy 500 tomorrow night.

[Dan Katz]

Have you ever been?

[Narrator]

No, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

It's fun.

[Dan Katz]

Crazy.

[Narrator]

I, I went down the street and.

[Brian Windhorst]

I found this jacket.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Narrator]

Literally was right there on the end cap. I was like, yeah, yeah. And then we're gonna, that we're going to find a way to make a little bit better of an infrastructure for these house shows.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Because it feels like it's a great idea. And then it probably got super popular.

[Narrator]

You're like, oh, no one wants to be Icarus.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so my last question. Rollback question. Rho, B, A C k.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. So I read this and you could tell me you do that so far. Well, thank you.

[Narrator]

It was like somebody else just entered your body.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, just take over. Poltergeist. So you're the lead guitarist, Nick, in your band. I read that he listens to Maggie May by Rod Stewart every single morning. Is that true?

[Narrator]

What other way is a, is a man supposed to wake up?

[Dan Katz]

That can't be true. It's a great song.

[Narrator]

It's audio sunshine.

[Dan Katz]

Is he, does he do every single morning?

[Narrator]

I, I, I bet I've caught him a couple days, you know, listening to something else.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right. Yeah. No, but I do like that as a tradition.

[Narrator]

Yeah, he's, he's very much like, I don't know how polar opposite you guys are. Like, I'm the, I'm very free flowing. And he, he, he lives his life on a, on a very regiment.

[Dan Katz]

Wake up, Maggie.

[Narrator]

It's not Monday. If Maggie May isn't with me.

[PFT Commenter]

That, that has got to be. If you're going to pick one, one song to wake up to every day, that's got to be like top five.

[Narrator]

That's good. Good morning. Hard. Have you, have you heard that rancid record like out come the Wolves.

[PFT Commenter]

Good morning.

[Narrator]

You're like an old friend. That was like, that was like my high school morning song.

[Dan Katz]

I just realized he's like unintentionally just doing Bill Murray. Groundhog Day.

[Narrator]

Dude, he, he lives like that, man. He, he truly does. Like, he has, he's like fully in that like he, and he'll say this, he's like, he's not full on. Mark Summers, Howie Mandel.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

But boy, he really rides that awesome line of like, I need my life to, to work the same way every day.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

If you accept that then you can make it work.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, Maggie may open it every day. All right, well, thanks so much, dude. We really appreciate it.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks, man.

[Narrator]

I'm gonna warm up this voice for you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. And everyone go see All American Rejects out all summer.

[Narrator]

Do it.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Dan Katz]

All right, we're going to wrap up the show we got. First of all, thank you to Tyson Ritter. That concert on Thursday night was incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

It was awesome. Yeah, surreal. They just played hit after hit after banger after banger after Banger. It was a great show.

[Dan Katz]

Go see them because they are putting on great shows, and it was very cool. Thank you to PFT for coordinating that, because that was a very cool moment to have. I think we now have to. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out Nate at night too, for. For the assist. Oh, nice. And their new song too. Easy Come, Easy go. That might be a song.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. But we need. This might just have to be a thing we do. Concert series. Barstool hq.

[Hank]

It was very cool. It was like, we do a lot of crazy, surreal, but it was like, oh, yeah, quick concert. Quick All American Rejects concert on the basketball court.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If we were to do a series of concerts, like tiny desk, would it be tiny stool? Or would it be giant stool?

[Hank]

Or would it be stool?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, big stool.

[PFT Commenter]

Big stool, Live car stool, karaoke.

[Dan Katz]

What about just concerts in front of the golf simulator? Yeah, that's where they played.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It was awesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I think their green room was where I keep, like, my kids. Little trucks. They were just hanging out in there. Cool, guys. So thank you, Tyson. All right, we got a Monday reading, but first, Jordan of the week. Hank. So our friend Pablo Torre had an update. Everyone go watch his video. Listen to his podcast. Seems like they've been dating for a while. And the famous Bill Belichick ring camera video was during otas in, what, 2022. Yeah, 23.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, there. There were also some shots that he found in the stands. I don't know how he found. They've got, like, the fan cam.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That you can click on a section to see yourself or see anybody, really. And he found a picture of Jordan at a game I. I believe in 2021.

[Dan Katz]

I like how you did that.

[PFT Commenter]

And little French Jordan and Belichick seats.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So there was also that. But, yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Do you not know these updates? Because you said we don't need to do an update.

[Hank]

I. I saw the ring came when I watched. I watched the interview with the Airbnb guy.

[Dan Katz]

I mean, we stand by Jordan. She's upset. She might. She tweeted at Airbnb saying she might sue. Yeah, we will. We'll. We'll be in with you.

[PFT Commenter]

I told her that seems like a pretty clear First Amendment violation.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Skull.

[PFT Commenter]

Team Jordan.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we. We remain Team Jordan. But it does seem a little interesting because I didn't fully understand the timeline. It feels like maybe Billboard was a little distracted. The real loser here might be Mac Jones.

[Hank]

Maybe.

[Dan Katz]

What if Jordan was the reason that Mac Jones didn't make it as a NFL quarterback?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, it's Just timing. It's just. It's probably just a coincidence you're not.

[Hank]

Allowed to have sleepovers for OTAs.

[Dan Katz]

No, you can. Absolutely. We love love.

[PFT Commenter]

What was.

[Hank]

Was Belichick wasn't coaching as hard as he possibly could have been.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think?

[Dan Katz]

I think. I think. Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me volley that back at you. When you are newly in love, wouldn't you say that being newly in love definitely takes up a lot of your thoughts? Maybe daydreams, maybe, you know, oh, my God, I can't wait to be done with OTAs so I can go back to my shack like that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's hard to coach pocket presence when you don't have any of your own.

[Dan Katz]

Right? Right. Is that fair to say, like, every time.

[Hank]

Depends who you are.

[Dan Katz]

It depends.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, he's out there, he's yelling. He's like. He's like, hit the A gap. And he's like, oh, yeah, that'd be pretty nice.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Can't wait to get back to Jordan.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good penetration. Everything reminds me of her.

[Dan Katz]

Would you say that's fair?

[PFT Commenter]

Gillette Field, she's so smooth.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

These are all out of respect, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they are.

[Dan Katz]

To Jordan. So, yeah, it doesn't if. Because I. I was under the assumption that this happened almost like, toward, like, very end, and it was like, newly single Belichick, newly fired Belichick doing his thing. Now it feels like.

[PFT Commenter]

You want to know my theory?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that we in the media, when Brady and Belichick broke up, I think we. We spent a lot of time using the word divorce. I think Bill might have treated it and processed it like a divorce.

[Dan Katz]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

At the time where he's like, my main. My main thing is gone now. Time to find some new strange.

[Dan Katz]

So you think Jordan rebound mode. Jordan was the rebounder from Tom Brady?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's what I think was happening from.

[Dan Katz]

So Belichick went from one goat to another.

[PFT Commenter]

Exactly. He knows how to pick him. Like, he spent years. He spent decades watching Tom Brady spin that thing, and he's like, there's got to be one heir apparent, and that's Jordan.

[Dan Katz]

Jordan. Is that fair to say?

[Hank]

Yeah, totally.

[Dan Katz]

You feel like you don't really want to talk about Jordan anymore. Are you worried that you might not get invited to the wedding now?

[Hank]

No, I'm not worried about that. And I like Pablotori, and I think he does job a good. Good work.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Wasn't there a story about how.

[Hank]

But he's Getting close to milking.

[PFT Commenter]

When. When Bill was. When he was doing interviews for teams, wasn't there a story that, like, Robert Kraft might not have given the best endorsement ever?

[Dan Katz]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

When they called, what are the chances that he might have mentioned Jordan?

[Dan Katz]

And I think Robert Kraft was probably jealous.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Robert, so is. Are we saying here. And I'm following your lead here. Pft. Because I think I agree with it. Robert Kraft, number one blocker of all time, he was like, no, no, you don't get that. And now you don't get a head coaching job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think. I think. Connect the dots.

[Dan Katz]

Connect the dots. Fair to say, Hank, there's only one.

[PFT Commenter]

Guy on this team that can get jacked off, and that's me.

[Hank]

Yeah, I think it's fair to say he probably brought it up.

[Dan Katz]

He probably did bring it up, which is because anyone would be lucky to be dating Jordan.

[PFT Commenter]

And let's be honest, like, she almost probably got him those jobs.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If she was there for the interviews, they were probably. It's like, wow, I'm getting two coaches for the price of one.

[Dan Katz]

Right. Forget the Super Bowls. It's. What have you done for me lately? Oh, you have Jordan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Winner in the building.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

You think Pablo's getting a little too close? A little too close? I. I think he should keep going.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

But I also gotta defend Jordan.

[PFT Commenter]

The moment where he walked out of the. They got the. The ring cam footage from the alternate angle, and he walked out and he had the satchel over his shoulder. It was very funny.

[Dan Katz]

Very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Like a business trip.

[Dan Katz]

I also. I think it was a Berenstein Bears thing. I just. I thought that Belichick farted in the video. Original video. I don't know why.

[Hank]

I was waiting for sound of the door or something.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I just like that, because that would have been a very Belichick move to just step out after a night of Jordan and being like, kind of gotta let one rip.

[PFT Commenter]

I think we've all been there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. Just guys being dudes. All right, I got a quick Monday reading for you guys that I thought was very funny, that we got tagged in a bunch of. It is in the Reddit shrooms community. The title of it. Husband did a large dose of shrooms. Became convinced he was an Italian chef in a past life, proceeded to make spaghetti.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Quick background. We live with my mom. My side is very heavy. Is very heavily Italian. My mom grew up in Italy.

[PFT Commenter]

Does that mean fat or does that.

[Dan Katz]

I don't know. Max, can we get a ruling?

[PFT Commenter]

Max is Heavily.

[Dan Katz]

It's. My side is very heavily Italian. I'm.

[Max]

I'm a heavy Italian.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you heavily Italian?

[Dan Katz]

Do that to yourself.

[Max]

You asked the question, I answered the question.

[Dan Katz]

Wasn't what we were asking. My mom grew up in Italy. My husband is best described as a southerner, family all in Alabama for 200 plus years. I'd say that's not best described. He is a southerner. He is not a good cook at all. He once burnt ramen.

[PFT Commenter]

I've done that. Yeah, you. Sometimes you just forget.

[Dan Katz]

You just.

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes you put it, you put the noodles in the microwave for a little bit too long. Maybe leave the spoon in there and then sparks start flying. Yeah, it happens.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. He's been going through a tough time. His dad died two months ago. He wanted to do a large dose. His wording was he wanted to take a large dose and follow the advice a lot of people give for a heroic dose. Dark room, alone, everything turned off, etc. He took 12 grams of shrooms. That's a lot. That's a lot. Proceeded to go extremely catatonic, spaced out, etc. When he came out of it the next day, he seemed very at peace and declared that he realized he was an Italian chef in a past life. Me and my mom were both very amused because he's never been a good cook. He proceeded to say that he was going to make spaghetti for dinner and he'd make the sauce from scratch. Me and my mom didn't say anything, but okay, he cooked it that night. We were expecting a disaster, especially because we watched him just wing it. He didn't look up any instructions or measure anything. He said that he couldn't remember specifics, but making it felt like muscle memory. This made the best sauce I've ever tasted.

[PFT Commenter]

Hell, yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And my mom was rattled and said it was the best she's ever tasted. It was far superior to hers. And that's not something she'd ever easily admit. She even called it perfect. Every single person who tasted it was amazed by it. The main question going through my mind right now is, what the fuck?

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. Because you hear the stories about the people that have a, have a stroke and then they wake up and they can play the piano. You're like, they know how to speak Russian.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Someone like get like, drowns for a few minutes and now can do math.

[PFT Commenter]

That's my dream. To, to have a minor stroke and wake up. And I'm good at gambling.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that'd be sick. Be a quant.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But this guy Rocks. I think he. I. I think you got to give it up to this guy. I think just let him keep going.

[Dan Katz]

Imagine if he opens up a restaurant and, like, this is his story.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

This guy's going to be Aaron Rodgers personal chef.

[Dan Katz]

This is. This is a. What a. What an awesome, awesome dude.

[PFT Commenter]

So the, the mushrooms. I want to. I want to hear follow ups, though. I want to see if this trend continues. I want to see if he can, like, step outside the comfort zone because, like, spaghetti sauce, I'm sure he's eaten a lot of spaghetti sauce in his life, so maybe he knows kind of intuitively what goes into that. Yeah, but what if he gets. What if he branches out a little bit? What if he does, like, cacio e pepe? Oh, what if he does, like, a tortellini soup?

[Dan Katz]

What would he have to make Max to pass the. The test. Test of, like, being fully Italian chef?

[Max]

I mean, that's. That's one. One right there.

[Dan Katz]

Just making your own sauce from scratch. Muscle memory.

[Max]

Just like a. I mean, a good red sauce is. Is the most important thing of an Italian chef in my eyes.

[Dan Katz]

I'm looking her up right now. I'm gonna see if I can find her.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe some fruta de mara.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna see this guy spread his wings a little bit. Was that.

[Max]

Say it one more time.

[PFT Commenter]

You say bruschetta. Oh, that was good.

[Max]

Yeah, nailed it.

[PFT Commenter]

That was good.

[Max]

I know it.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, what the hell? She's. She's. She's sharing his recipe. You can't do that.

[Max]

No, you can't.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, he didn't write it down, did he? I thought he cooked.

[Dan Katz]

No, she. She watched him do it the next day for lunch. He's just cooking it every day.

[Max]

Then. Then it's fraud.

[Dan Katz]

But you. You should. You should try it.

[PFT Commenter]

What goes into cook it?

[Dan Katz]

One large yellow onion, chopped, not finely diced. Two bowls of garlic, peeled and crushed. Olive oil, salt, dried oregano, dried parsley, dried thyme. Is time.

[PFT Commenter]

Time.

[Dan Katz]

I'm not a cook. Two pounds of ground beef, one large can of tomato sauce. I feel bad even saying this.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, let's be real. The guy, he should be using fresh herbs if he's going to go down this road.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Frog.

[Max]

This guy's a frog.

[Dan Katz]

You think so?

[Tyson Ritter]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You think he lifted the recipe from somewhere?

[Max]

I mean, this is just. There's nothing. This is. This is. There's nothing special about this sauce.

[PFT Commenter]

There's also a chance that maybe he's been studying, like secretly studying how to be a cook for A while. And he's too embarrassed to tell his family about it because as a strong Italian family, they maybe would not want him changing careers and becoming a chef. And so then he's just using the, the massive dose of mushrooms as a cover. Now it's time to follow my heart. He's been training this whole time.

[Dan Katz]

Huh? I, I believe this. I believe this guy. I want him to cook for us. He seems like the man. He said. She said. She updated a little and said that he didn't have like an aha moment. It was just more of a deja vu that he had worked in a.

[PFT Commenter]

Kitchen in a past life.

[Dan Katz]

In a past life is he went, he went blackout and he forgot who he was. He remembered a restaurant kitchen that felt familiar. He'd alternate between his vision flash different colors of motions. Felt like he was fast forwarding and rewinding through all the motions of his past lives. He do that for a while then remember come back to the kitchen and feel the anxiety of a lunch dinner rush. Then go back to the color flashes. He said he felt like that cycle kept happening forever. He said it felt more like deja vu when he remembered that life than a sudden realization that it was his past life. I like this guy. I want him to cook for us. I want to cook some pizza for us.

[PFT Commenter]

Sausage and peppers.

[Dan Katz]

Damn. What would be the coolest thing to have our past lives?

[PFT Commenter]

Ice cream machine technician.

[Dan Katz]

That would be sick. We could use that right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

We did make. There's been a purchase made. We have a full industrial sized kitchen strength ice cream machine.

[Max]

I think we talked about this on.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, we did.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

It's been a long day. It's been a long days between. Okay. It's been a lot of days between.

[Max]

Max and we've been talking about the ice cream.

[Dan Katz]

Well, you started it today because you said I at like 1:00 clock in the afternoon. Yeah, 1:00 clock in the afternoon. Said oh, is it ready? We.

[Hank]

Why, why so early?

[Max]

I was curious.

[Dan Katz]

You were hungry for ice. Actually, I, Yeah, don't. I was definitely hungry for ice cream at that time.

[Max]

I'm sure you probably had ice cream.

[Dan Katz]

I might have had some ice cream after lunch. You're right. I'm not going to to throw any stones. All right, next Show's Friday. Numbers three. Oh wow, you're right on top of that.

[Max]

Six.

[Dan Katz]

Is that for Nixon? Six. Nice. 65. Let's go. 48.

[PFT Commenter]

54, 99p live. I stand four.

[Dan Katz]

81.

[Hank]

That's not true.

[PFT Commenter]

The I, I is Roman numeral one.

[Hank]

No, it's not. The V is one less than five.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Four.

[PFT Commenter]

The I stands for.

[Hank]

That's what I said.

[PFT Commenter]

The I stands for one.

[Hank]

The V. The V stands for one.

[PFT Commenter]

The V stands for five.

[Hank]

So that would be six.

[Dan Katz]

No, it's. No, it'd be six.

[PFT Commenter]

Because after. Because it's before. It means subtract.

[Dan Katz]

If it was VI, it'd be 6. If it's V, if it's IV, it's.

[Hank]

4, so it's 1. Okay. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Think about the Super Bowls. You've won.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Of which there are many.

[Dan Katz]

It goes I, I, I free. I, V for four, V for five, VI for six, VII for seven.

[Hank]

Got it.

[Dan Katz]

Is it eight is eight, V, it's.

[PFT Commenter]

V, I, I, I, nine. Nine is ix.

[Dan Katz]

That's right. They had it figured out.

[PFT Commenter]

They did. Shout out Rome.

[Dan Katz]

Shout out Rome. Except for the pedophiles.

[PFT Commenter]

That's more Greece.

[Dan Katz]

Good.

[PFT Commenter]

Italian.

[Dan Katz]

Sam. Sa. Sa.