CFB With Ross Dellenger, NBA Trainer Chris Brickley In Studio, Celtics Banner Night, A Bounty For Dunking On Bronny, MNF & Fake Onside Rules + Guys On Chicks

Summary

Pardon My Take: Episode Summary

Episode Title: CFB With Ross Dellenger, NBA Trainer Chris Brickley In Studio, Celtics Banner Night, A Bounty For Dunking On Bronny, MNF & Fake Onside Rules + Guys On Chicks

1. Banner Night Celebrations

The episode kicks off with Big Cat and PFT Commenter celebrating Hank's appearance at Celtics Banner Night. Hank, typically mocked for his underperforming football team, receives hearty congratulations from the hosts for his recent success with the Boston Celtics.

• Big Cat [03:59]: "Congrats, Hank. It’s been a while since Hank had a win."
• PFT Commenter [04:20]: "Hank, we're recording this early so that you can go to Banner Night fired up."

Hank shares his experience wearing Celtics green and his commitment to staying sober for the event, highlighting the camaraderie and supportive environment among the hosts.

2. Monday Night Football and Onside Kick Controversy

The conversation shifts to Monday Night Football, focusing on the controversial onside kick rules that emerged during the Chargers vs. Cardinals game. PFT Commenter and Hank dissect the officiating decisions, particularly the unnecessary roughness penalty that seemingly impacted the game's outcome.

• PFT Commenter [14:05]: "Why don't you just not go to sleep?"
• Hank [14:23]: "NFL has too many rules. The defensive back was trying to hit him with his helmet, making it the right call by the rules."

They explore the misinformation spread by AI-generated content regarding onside kick limitations, attributing confusion to incorrect online sources. The hosts express frustration with the officiating but acknowledge that the calls were technically correct according to the existing rules.

• Big Cat [20:05]: "Todd Bowles might have thought about that and forgot it."

3. A Bounty for Dunking on Bronny James

A playful segment introduces a hypothetical bounty for dunking on Bronny James, LeBron's son. The hosts humorously debate the feasibility and potential candidates for such a challenge, with PFT Commenter suggesting high-profile players like Anthony Edwards.

• PFT Commenter [10:01]: "If there's one guy who would do it, it's Anthony Edwards."
• Hank [10:23]: "Bounty enacted."

The segment underscores the show's humorous take on current basketball narratives, blending sports talk with light-hearted wagers.

4. College Football Insights with Ross Dellenger

Ross Dellenger joins the studio to provide in-depth analysis of the college football season. The discussion covers Texas's challenging welcome to the SEC, highlighting Georgia's dominant performance against them.

• Ross Dellenger [64:31]: "Georgia is probably the best team in the league. As long as they can avoid Alabama."
• Big Cat [75:17]: "Georgia is the best team in the league... Georgia is likely the best team in the SEC."

Dellenger elaborates on the evolving playoff formats, the implications of conference realignments, and the potential for unprecedented playoff scenarios involving teams like Army and Navy.

• Ross Dellenger [82:06]: "We're likely bound for a 16-team playoff. The SEC and Big Ten have control over the future format."

The conversation delves into the complexities of the College Football Playoff, including the challenges posed by expanding team participation and the anticipated separation of major conferences from smaller ones by 2031.

5. NBA Training and Player Development with Chris Brickley

Chris Brickley, a renowned NBA trainer, enters to discuss his experiences training elite basketball players. Brickley shares anecdotes about working with stars like Klay Thompson and LeBron James, emphasizing the mental and physical aspects of player development.

• Chris Brickley [111:27]: "Klay Thompson has one of the sweetest, most pure shots I’ve ever seen."
• PFT Commenter [114:43]: "If Ben Simmons has an incredible rejuvenation year, it will be huge for you."

Brickley outlines his training philosophy, focusing on personalized coaching that respects each player's unique style. He highlights the importance of mental resilience and consistency in improving shooting mechanics.

• Chris Brickley [113:12]: "There’s not one way to shoot as long as you have good rotation and a good follow-through."

The discussion also touches on innovative training techniques, the impact of NIL and transfer portals on player parity, and Brickley's aspirations to work with more high-profile athletes in the future.

6. Fake Onside Kick Rules and the Impact of AI Misinformation

PFT Commenter and Hank explore the confusion surrounding onside kick rules, attributing much of the misinformation to AI-generated summaries incorrectly stating that only two onside kicks are allowed per game.

• Hank [19:53]: "We have to shake hands on that."
• PFT Commenter [21:08]: "It's an insane rule."

They critique the reliance on flawed AI interpretations of NFL rules, leading to strategic misunderstandings during critical game moments. The hosts advocate for more accurate rule comprehension to prevent similar controversies in the future.

7. Realignments and the Future of College Football Playoffs

Ross Dellenger further discusses the ongoing realignments within college football conferences, predicting significant shifts in power structures and playoff qualifications by 2031.

• Ross Dellenger [84:32]: "The House settlement will allow schools to pay millions directly to athletes, increasing the gaps between top programs and others."
• Big Cat [86:35]: "The SEC and Big Ten have most of the control over the future playoff format."

Dellenger anticipates the emergence of a "premier league" within college football, driven by financial disparities and the increasing ability to compensate athletes directly. He underscores the potential for a more regionalized competition format to enhance logistical efficiency and competitive balance.

8. Lighthearted Segments and Listener Interactions

The episode concludes with humorous exchanges among the hosts, including playful banter about personal anecdotes, training challenges, and light-hearted critiques of fellow podcasters and athletes.

• Hank [151:34]: "Great guy."
• PFT Commenter [151:55]: "You’re the worst."

These moments encapsulate the show's signature blend of sports analysis and comedic relief, ensuring an engaging and entertaining listening experience.

Conclusion

This episode of "Pardon My Take" delivers a comprehensive mix of serious sports analysis and engaging humor. From celebrating Hank's success at Celtics Banner Night and dissecting controversial NFL rules to exploring the future of college football playoffs and delving into NBA player training, the hosts provide insightful commentary enriched with memorable quotes and lively discussions. Guests Ross Dellenger and Chris Brickley contribute expert perspectives, further enhancing the depth and variety of the conversation.

Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Chris Brickley]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Hank]

I think I'm back in on Ben Simmons.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Hank]

Congrats, Hank. You again. It's been a while since Hanks had a W. Yeah, this is. It's good to see our boy back up.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been almost three months since he's been able to congratulate himself for something. Hank is all dressed in his Celtic green. He's going to Banner Night tonight.

[Hank]

Well, he's recording early Celtic black right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Looks very green sneakers.

[Hank]

You look very slimming. I would say Hank is just the man in black, though. Looking like Johnny Cash.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So, Hank, we're. We're recording this early so that you can go to Banner Night fired up.

[Max]

Thank you guys for doing that.

[PFT Commenter]

You're welcome. I was doing that.

[Max]

Appreciate it.

[Hank]

And Hank's not drinking tonight at Banner Night.

[PFT Commenter]

He said he's not drinking because he's.

[Hank]

Back on that health tip.

[Max]

So I got a 6am flight back. You know, the grind doesn't sleep. We got to be here tomorrow. 9.

[PFT Commenter]

You're going to drink.

[Hank]

You're going to drink at least five beers.

[Max]

No, no, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

It was great because Hank is. He's he's trying to struggle with the idea that he's told us for the 100th time that he's going to stop drinking for an extended period of time. And the fact that it's banner night and he said to us, I'm just trying to soak it all in. Yeah, he's doing that. Like, I want to be sober for this.

[Hank]

Well, if you. If you want.

[Max]

I don't want to be sober. I just want to be a man of my word. I'm. I'm trying to have that champion mindset of if you say you're going to do something, do it. I think having a 6am flight helps. I also don't think I don't need to drink to enjoy. Here's the beautiful ceremony. I'm probably going to cry.

[PFT Commenter]

Counterpoint. Why don't you just not go to sleep?

[Max]

That's not going to work. That's never worked in the history of my life. Although one time when we went to Vegas last year for the Super Bowl, I did it, if you want to.

[Hank]

Put it in Miles Garrett.

[Max]

But I had to play blackjack for like five hours.

[Hank]

Miles Garrett would say that for the most part over Hank's career here at part of my take, he's been pretty sober.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, for the most part.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The all nighter at the end of a bachelor party or like traveling, like, like I'll just not sleep is over 100 lifetime in terms of good ideas. Yeah, it sounds great in your head. And you're like, well, what's the point of sleeping for three hours when I could just rage for the rest of the night? And then you get to the airport and it's disastrous.

[Hank]

I think there is a chance though that Hank, he tries to say stay sober because there's a chance he has to meet Coach Missoula and he doesn't want to let him down. He doesn't want to disappoint him because have you seen the interviews that Missoula has been doing recently? He's locked in. He's like. He basically did the Kyle Shanahan, like, we could all die tomorrow, so who really cares?

[PFT Commenter]

He's a football guy. Yeah, he's a football guy. Coaching basketball.

[Max]

00. No pressure. We're all going to be dead soon. It really doesn't matter. Love that you're either going to win or you're not.

[Hank]

It's incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

That's how that.

[Max]

That made me feel good about dunking. There's no pressure.

[Hank]

It sound he's threatening to kill his team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's like, we might be dead. So no pressure. We just have to go out there and execute, or I will.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you going to see Coach Missoula tonight?

[Max]

I'll. I'll see him. I don't know. I think he might. I think he might.

[PFT Commenter]

Where are your seats?

[Max]

Second row, behind the Knicks bench.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Are you going to be razing them?

[Max]

No, I'll be like, you got to do some razzing.

[PFT Commenter]

You got maybe Mikhail Bridges. Be like, hey, pitch in your might. Do a little hollering.

[Hank]

You should do a little. Little bing bong on him.

[PFT Commenter]

Do a big bong, Max. Don't shake your head at me. Don't shake your fucking head at me, Jim Calhoun. McHale Bridges has a hitch in his shot. It's fucking weird as shit. Have you seen it?

[Hank]

I have not seen Miguel search it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very bizarre. Something happened to his shot, and he's got, like this. It's like a pause. It's actually great. We're bringing this up.

[Eddie]

Bullshitty plays for the next. Because I hate the next.

[Max]

But I'm.

[Eddie]

I want to defend him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Because Chris Brickley's on this show. We should have. If we had known he had a hitch in his shot, he would. We would have asked him how to fix it. So Banner night. Congratulations. Watch this video and tell me. It's. It's weird. Something mentally has happened.

[Max]

Also, congrats to the Mavs. Have a banner out of there. And they raised a banner for the Western Conference championship.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Also, congrats to Mavs or congrats to us because we're going to bully the MAVs, and in five to 10 years, they'll probably send us that banner. That'll be great. Oh, yeah. It's weird. Yeah. Shot is weird.

[Hank]

It's very strange.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Well, it's more. I think Western Conference. I think the conference.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

It is one thing. It was the. It was the finalist.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, that was.

[Max]

It was the Colts making it to the AFC championship but not winning.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Winning a Western Conference, like, if you win it.

[Max]

If you win a conference championship, you deserve some.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This is the argument we had a couple years or a year ago when Max said, you don't raised banners for that. And we found all the banners that they actually raised for that.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But this shot is very strange. It's like he takes the ball over to the opposite side of his body and then just throws it across his body.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very strange. But banner night. And then we also. So we are recording this early we think that Bronnie played tonight, so choose your own adventure. What a cool moment.

[Hank]

Yeah. Good for LeBron. That's got to be awesome. As a dad now, what do you think a stat line is going to be? I think bad. Two minutes, one turnover. Oh, for two. And a traveling violation.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, a traveling violation. A double dribble would rock.

[Hank]

That would be cool.

[PFT Commenter]

If he just put both hands on the ball like a. Like a four year old.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

The coolest part is that Ken Griffey Jr. And senior are going to be at the game.

[PFT Commenter]

That is cool.

[Hank]

That's wild.

[PFT Commenter]

That is wild.

[Hank]

That's breaking the wild meter right now.

[Max]

That picture will be the most wild picture.

[PFT Commenter]

They just. They randomly picked that game, right?

[Max]

No, I think they. I think. I guess there was a conversation that if, you know, they play together, they'll go.

[PFT Commenter]

But I. I'm. Is it bad that I'm rooting. We've had the same. I think we've stayed consistent with Bronnie. It's very cool for LeBron as a dad, but it's also really weird because he's probably not an NBA player right now. He may become one. But he. Right now, if. If his name Wasn't Bronnie James Jr. He would not be in the NBA and be considered to get minutes tonight. Is it bad that I'm rooting for him to get in, have the picture up, and then have him just get yammed on?

[Hank]

That'd be kind of funny. LeBron would make that video disappear forever from the Internet.

[PFT Commenter]

What if Anthony Edwards dunks on both James at the same time? Do. That would be awesome.

[Hank]

Do you think there's a bounty out there on dunking on Bronny?

[PFT Commenter]

If there's one guy who would do it, it's Anthony Edwards.

[Hank]

I bet you there might be a bounty out there. Yeah, I'm going to put a bounty out there. If you can dunk on Bronny, then I will. I. You get it. No, you get an open spot on part of my take and I will sit. You can join the show as a guest to discuss the dunk.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

And I will send you a part of my cheesesteak.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

With all the fixes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And we'll come to your house and. And hang out.

[Hank]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's actually a fair deal.

[Hank]

Bounty enacted.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the worst. Where's going to be. It's going to be the most random player. Then we're going to have to go to their house.

[Hank]

But I would still do an interview with that guy. Whoever and the question is just like, what was it like dunking on Bronny in front of his dad?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I want to. I want to dunk on both.

[Hank]

I think Hank could.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Here it is. If. If it go. If you dunk on both them at the same time, we'll go on vacation with you.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah. A place of your.

[PFT Commenter]

Whoever this person may be.

[Hank]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Could be anyone. Literally anyone who could do it in a game. In an NBA game. Dunking on both. James. Okay, so, yeah, that's our NBA. Do we want to do NBA? Just a quick. Who's going to win the title?

[Hank]

Nuggets?

[Max]

Celtics?

[PFT Commenter]

Sixers?

[Max]

How do you not think.

[PFT Commenter]

What? What?

[Max]

It's good.

[PFT Commenter]

Troll.

[Max]

It's control.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I had to.

[Chris Brickley]

I will.

[Eddie]

I will pick the Sixers.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, copycat. Were you about to say, how do you not think the Celtics are going to win it again?

[Hank]

It's hard to repeat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we're just making predictions. We can't.

[Eddie]

You're on defense mode.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah. Defending.

[Max]

Defending the title.

[PFT Commenter]

Missoula would not. Missoula would want no one to pick the Celtics. Yes, you actually. You're rat poisoned. Missoula is probably mad at you right now when he's listening to this. He doesn't want you picking the Celtics. You got to earn it again.

[Max]

Yeah, but you expect. I have championship. Like, we got it. You got to think you're going to be the champion so that you can become the champion.

[Hank]

No, Nozula's mentality is you haven't done shit yet. Yeah, Turn the page.

[PFT Commenter]

Turn the goddamn page.

[Max]

Yeah, but you got to carry yourself like a chance. Like, you know, be what you want to be.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. I'm gonna say Knicks, Nick Suns. Finals. Okay. Nick's sons. Okay.

[Hank]

Sons are back.

[PFT Commenter]

That's it.

[Hank]

They fixed everything.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a dangerous one. So, yeah, we'll do a full NBA preview. What, like February?

[Hank]

Yeah, probably. I'd say after the Super Bowl.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. I get excited. I'll be excited to watch NBA basketball for tonight. And then I'll be like, all right, I'll see you after. After Christmas. Yeah.

[Hank]

What we'll do is we'll interview Ryan Rossillo down at the super bowl in New Orleans, and we'll be hammered.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then that will be our NBA preview.

[PFT Commenter]

That'll be our NBA preview. Okay. We should talk some Monday Night Football. We had a double header. What?

[Max]

Bullshit double header.

[PFT Commenter]

Bullshit double header. Because they did. The second game was on espn. Plus, hand up. I thought the Chargers would beat the Cardinals when I got everyone to take them 45 to 1.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's first. That's the first thing I thought about. Hand up. When actually the game got into being the game. And it was very, very clear that the charges are a super flawed football team.

[PFT Commenter]

They are very flawed.

[Hank]

Don't have. They don't have anybody in the middle. They. No guys in the middle, offense or defense. And then they've got no wide receivers.

[PFT Commenter]

No wide receivers. I feel very bad for Justin Herbert. He was actually very good. He just has no. 1. Harbaugh has built the entire team out of tight ends and running backs. And it's hard to be explosive. Also, I mean, the Chargers kind of low key dominated that game. They had two. The fumble on the goal line was egregious.

[Hank]

That was bad.

[PFT Commenter]

That was egregious. And they had.

[Hank]

I stand by my take that. That's a good rule. Yeah, I like the fumble through the end zone. Fumble recovered in the end zone for touchback.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then. And then the. They had the f. The big guy fumble. You got to go down after he. What do you get? A pick. And then he just. He just started bumbling down the field.

[Hank]

Got the ball punched out.

[PFT Commenter]

Got the ball punched out. And then the call at the end was bullshit. I thought where they called unnecessary roughness.

[Hank]

I think it was the right call. It sucked.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Hank]

No, don't get me wrong. Like, the call sucked. I was not happy to see it. I think most people that are football fans see that play and they're like, that play should not determine the outcome of a game. That sucks that the referees are involved at that point. But if you look at what the rule is, it's like a million percent the right call.

[PFT Commenter]

This is going to sound dumb and it's not the health in mind, but I feel like you should just. A guy should have to get knocked out for there to be unnecessary roughness.

[Hank]

I know what you're saying, like by, by the vibe. It didn't look that bad.

[PFT Commenter]

It looks not. It didn't look. I, I know there was two angles. The first angle looked like absolutely nothing. The second angle, I saw the helmet. Helmet. But it just. Yeah, that to me was just a play where it's like you can't really do anything else. You're. You're trying to break it up. And I, I don't know. It's. It's.

[Hank]

It's the case of the NFL having too many rules. So the, the defensive back was coming in as Marvin Harrison Jr. Was landing and as he's landing, his head comes down into the path of where the defensive back is trying to hit him, and he hits him with his helmet, makes contact with, like, the face mask area. So it was definitely by the rule, the way the rules written. It was the right call, but still sucked.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And I thought I was feeling good about the Chargers too, especially after Harbaugh's quot from last week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When he was talking about how he went in for his EKG and he had like, the whole heart testing thing, and they asked him about it and he said, yeah, you know, the doctor was telling me, you've got the heart of an athlete. You've got incredible stamina. And actually the doctor said my heart got stronger from having that incredibly fast heartbeat.

[PFT Commenter]

Like twisted blue steel.

[Hank]

Harbaugh was feeling good about the fact, like, he, he views his heart rate going up to like 250 beats per minute as just doing a really, really, really intense cardio workout.

[PFT Commenter]

2 and 0 in. In heart attack games. But I, I think that was a stupid thought to bet on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl. I'm not going to give up yet. I did have this one as a win. Also, it's very hard. Justin Herbert going for 350 yards and no offensive touchdowns, that's really hard to do.

[Hank]

He has a dicker show.

[PFT Commenter]

That's really, really hard to do. To pass the ball for 350 yards, no turnovers, and have no touchdowns. Think about that.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's very, very like, if you think about how long their drives were, they just stalled out around the red zone area.

[PFT Commenter]

They just didn't have. They didn't. They. They need to get a wide receiver. Calvin Ridley, come on down.

[Hank]

I will say this, though. In, in that matchup, that was the perfect uniform matchup to be on ESPN plus.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Yes.

[Hank]

Right, like that. If you have to pick one game to have on that channel and to only be on streaming, that's exactly what you would go for. Look like kind of weird and futuristic. I was okay with it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then in the other game, the Bucks season is officially over. So the Bucks had a night from hell. They lost to the Ravens. They were up. It would. They were about to be up. What was it, 17:7 or 17:3? I think it was 17:7. Baker throws that interception. Mike Evans gets hurt. Chris Godwin gets hurt with a minute left.

[Max]

I know that.

[PFT Commenter]

What? Down 10, down 10. People were like, well, yeah, you got to play him. I don't, I don't know. The season's long. You Have a short week. You're going up against Atlanta. I kind of err on the side of just sit your guys and win to, you know, play to fight another day. We also had a weird. Did you guys see this? It was a very weird disinformation campaign that was going on.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That the entire Internet somehow thought that you can only kick two onside kicks in the fourth quarter. Yeah.

[Hank]

It was a. We had a Google AI problem is what it was like artificial intelligence fucked us over last night because at the end of the game, I think there were, what, 51 seconds left on that last. Last drive.

[PFT Commenter]

It was like a minute and 10.

[Hank]

Minute, 10 seconds, and Godwin gets hurt. And then the immediate reaction is, why are the starters still in? I understand why Todd Bowles still had his starters and you're down 10, technically. Like, it'd be weird if Baker just kneeled that out. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you just throw in the backups and you're like, we got. We got short week for a big division game to a team we already. That's. We're fighting against. They're playing the Falcons on Sunday. They were fighting against it. Already beat us.

[Hank]

But the thing is, like, if. If Todd Bulls had kneeled out, which is the same as putting your starters in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Or putting your backups in.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Hank]

If you just take a knee, everybody would be like, todd Bowles quit on this game. When you're down by 10 points, technically, it's one of those weird. Weird, like, gray areas. They. It's like 99.999% chance they weren't going to win. They would have to go down the entire field, get a touchdown or a field goal, recover another onsides kick and go down, get another touchdown or a field goal.

[PFT Commenter]

Here's.

[Hank]

With no timeouts.

[PFT Commenter]

Agreed. I think you can go. You can go either way on it. Here's where you definitely have to say it's crazy. Baker stayed in till there was, like, five seconds left. Still running the ball.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That was fucking nuts.

[Hank]

The very last play of the game.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Hank]

I was like, baker better not get hurt on the scramble. That's. That'd be insane. I actually. If you're going to point your finger at Todd Bowles, I think you would point your finger at the fact that he went for two when he was down 17. Yes. So if he had gone for one.

[PFT Commenter]

He'D be down 16.

[Hank]

Extra point. He's down 16, and then that's two possessions. But you go for two and you. You make it. Who cares? You go for. And if you don't make it, then you are now in a three possession game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So it makes zero sense that Todd Bowles did that. That's like the first domino that led to all this happening.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Hank]

So that's. That's what you should point your finger at him for. But what happened was everybody was like, well, Todd Bowles is an idiot for keeping his starters in because you're not allowed to do more than what, two on site.

[PFT Commenter]

Two on site per game.

[Hank]

And because when you searched on Google for what the onside kick rule was, that's what came up in the AI summary about it. And then you look at the actual rule book and it absolutely says you can do as many onside kick as you want, but it has to be all in the fourth quarter and you have to be behind, you have to be trailing.

[PFT Commenter]

So what the. The patient X. Patient zero. What. What is that? Patient zero, Right.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Someone wrote an article after the Ravens Cowboys game that said you can only on site kick twice. And then it just became part of. Because remember, the Cowboys came all the way back.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

In total garbage time.

[Hank]

If that's patient X, then I think the Wuhan laboratory for this was actually, this was thought about as a proposal for the rule change.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Hank]

And so somebody wrote an article about that like, hey, this might be a rule change that comes. And Google, when they scrape the Internet, they find those two stories. And then that's why you get that screenshot. Now there is a chance. We can't. We can't rule out the fact that Todd Bowles might be getting his information about the NFL rules by googling and then looking at the first AI screenshot that comes up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So Todd Bowles might have thought about that and forgot it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. So it was just very funny because I was. Thankfully, I was very tired, so I wasn't. I was kind of like half in, half out. I was watching the other game and I had both of them up, but I was just kind of half paying attention to the end of the Bucks game because I definitely would have gotten got by the two onside kick, because there's nothing better than learning a new rule and then pretending like you knew that all along.

[Hank]

Yeah. And I saw that rule and my first thought was like, I had what? Number one, I had no idea that was a rule.

[PFT Commenter]

Same.

[Hank]

Number two, why the fuck is that a rule?

[PFT Commenter]

Same.

[Hank]

It makes absolutely no sense. But the NFL, you could see them having that.

[PFT Commenter]

I was so close to tweeting, being like, all you idiots saying that Todd Bull should have kept his starters in learn the rules. I didn't.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And because I really. Because there is a satisfaction to be like, I know the rule. You don't.

[Hank]

Yeah, I know. Well, in that instance, you would have known the rule before Todd Bowles knew the rule.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Hank]

And because you read it online during the game, and it also.

[PFT Commenter]

It was such a stupid rule that I gave pause because I was like, there's no way. This is a real rule. Yeah, that's an insane rule.

[Hank]

I ended up reading the entire kickoff section rule book last night. I know all the weird about kickoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. It was very weird. So for. As for the Bucks, I think they should fire Todd Bowles.

[Hank]

Okay, well, Todd Bowles, you're talking about Mayo being a candidate for the Jim Caldwell. Is he alive or is he dead? Todd Bowles has been that for years. He's been dead on the sidelines for a long time. He is a blitz guy. Right. Big time blitz guy. And I think he was relying a lot on the old Lamar rule book, which was, if you blitz Lamar, you can have success against him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Hank]

That might have been a bad piece of information that got tied too closely to Lamar and not closely enough to Greg Roman.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Greg Roman sucked against the blitz.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't think Lamar sucked against the blitz.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Hank]

Todd Monkin does not suck against the blitz.

[PFT Commenter]

No. So I. I agree. It's. Lamar's been incredible. The Ravens. I want to talk about the Ravens, but here's my. Here's my thought for firing Todd Bowles. Their defense is bad. Chris Godwin's now out for the year. Mike Evans might be out for an extended period of time. Liam Cohn, their offensive coordinator, is seemingly a very good offensive coordinator because their offense has been lights out. If you want to keep him, you should make him that coach right now.

[Hank]

That's actually not a bad point.

[PFT Commenter]

Just because, like, Todd Bowles is what he is. I don't. It's. He is what he is. He's not going to change. There's nothing. There's nothing new that Todd Bowles is going to do where he's going to be like, man, now we have a huge coaching advantage.

[Hank]

Yeah, I. He does have a chance to earn his coaching job back, though. If the Bucks surprise everybody and dealing with all the injuries that they are, they end up making some noise in that division.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Their defense is bad, though, right now, and I know they've been banged up, but I would. I would do. I would make. It's a It's a tricky thing to do. But if. If you don't think you're going to lose the locker room, you could make that switch this season and then be like Liam Cohen. You now have the job going forward.

[Hank]

Maybe after the season's over.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe. But I just. I wouldn't let Liam Cohen out the door and keep Todd Bowles after this season is over.

[Hank]

Yeah, it all depends. If you think that Liam Cohen could be a good head coach at some point, then that's probably a move you should think about.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Ravens are an absolute juggernaut. I think they're actually getting closer to the territory of they could actually maybe beat the Chiefs.

[Hank]

Yeah, they've got it all. They've got all. Mark Andrews catching touchdowns every week now. And Derrick Henry is as fast as he's ever been, which is crazy because he said that he was slow as fuck this season, and then I think he had his fifth fastest run.

[PFT Commenter]

It was perfect timing, too, on the broadcast for, like, where they're like, where's Derrick Henry tonight? And then he ripped off, like, a 70 yard run.

[Hank]

How pumped do you think Troy Aikman is for game day to be in Bloomington?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, so pumped.

[Hank]

He should be the guest picker, right?

[PFT Commenter]

He should absolutely be the guest picker.

[Hank]

Make that happen.

[PFT Commenter]

Those are his Hoosiers, but, yeah, the Ravens. Lamar is playing yet again at an MVP level. He might win MVP again.

[Hank]

I got him 18 to 1.

[PFT Commenter]

There you go. That's. That's sick. He's. I mean, he's. He's just been awesome. The Ravens have been awesome, and it feels like as long as they stay healthy, which is always something you have to say for the Ravens. They are one of the best teams in the NFL, probably in the list of. It's probably Chiefs, Lions, Ravens right now in terms of that upper echelon.

[Hank]

Yeah, no, the Ravens are awesome. And Lamar has thrown the ball better than he ever has.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Dot talk.

[Hank]

Dot talk.

[PFT Commenter]

There was dot talk going.

[Hank]

Throwing bombs. He's. He's got a nice little touch on his ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Lamar. It. Lamar just has to. He just has to win a Super bowl. And then it's just. He's solidified. He's a surefire hall of Famer.

[Hank]

I. Yeah, I think he probably already is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, because he's. Well, no, I think he has to win a Super bowl to get.

[Hank]

To get to the hall of Fame. I think so.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's got to win a Super Bowl.

[Chris Brickley]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think he's Got to win a Super Bowl. Got to win a Super Bowl.

[Max]

I don't know. The record of. Of most touchdowns without an interception on Monday Night Football is pretty.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty. And he's also big three and one 23 and one only lost to Daniel Jones.

[Hank]

He's in the NFC hall of Fame.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Easily dominates the NFC. Okay, anything else from. Oh, the. We did have Ed Reed on the Manning cast. That was weird.

[Hank]

Yeah. Talking about concussions. And I don't think Ed Reed was necessarily wrong when he was talking about boxers and strengthening their necks. So basically what he said was, I don't know if the Guardian cap is making a difference.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then he broke down how boxers strengthen up their neck muscles because you get the snap and the nerve hits in your neck. And then Peyton and Eli were just like staring at the TV like, please, for the love of God, something happened.

[PFT Commenter]

They were like, oh.

[Max]

They're saying like, that's why. That's why you don't. That's why boxers. The headgear is like fake.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He was protection.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Hank]

He was saying that the Guardian cap is fake protection.

[Max]

The boxing thing is true where like you think you have protection so you're more likely to keep your hands down and take more hits to the head.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

But I don't know if that same thing applies for the Guardian.

[Hank]

I think. I don't, I don't have any research whatsoever on the Guardian cap. We do have a fathead of the Guardian cap that's up in the producers booth right now, which is awesome. But the Guardian cap, to me seems like it was put in place to reduce like the number of sub concussive hits that you're taking during practice.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So like the small hits that don't actually give you concussion, they're trying to dull some of those. And then the argument could be made from like a legal standpoint, if you're the nflpa, why are you letting players protect themselves in practice but not in games? So that the NFL had to be like, yeah, you can wear these ugly caps during games if you want, thereby putting it back on the players to accept or say, no, we're not going to wear.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Hank]

So Tua is. He said that he's not going to wear when he comes back because he said, we don't. We all take risks. When we drive to work every day, we take a risk. I don't know if he's talking about Tyreek Hill or not in that situation.

[PFT Commenter]

Or Athens, Georgia.

[Hank]

Yeah, possibly. But. But it felt to Me, like, Tua was just saying, like, they look stupid. So I'm not going to wear one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I don't. Even if it helps a 1%. Even if it makes your wife feel like it's safer, I think you wear it.

[Hank]

It makes me feel safer. When I watch Tua, if he was wearing a guardian cap.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like when I wear a shirt to bed because I'm like, if I ever had to get into a fight or like a knife fight with an intruder, having a shirt on would help me. Not really, but it would. It makes me feel that way.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, I looked it up, lamar is a 69.13 on the hall of Fame monitor on Pro Football Reference. So if he keeps playing, he probably make it in. If he gets super bowl, he jump up big time.

[Hank]

I love that they have stats.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That average quantified. And at the end of the day, they're relying on a bunch of fat old sports writers in a room talking to each other.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's. I mean, the average hall of fame honors 108 points. And Matt Ryan is 106 and Roethlisberger is a hundred. And Philip Rivers is 98. I don't know. I don't know if all three of them. I think Philip Rivers should get in, but I don't know.

[Hank]

He. To me, based on vibes, he's a Hall of Famer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But you do agree, Lamar Jackson even going to a Super bowl would make it almost a slam dunk.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He probably would get it anyway because he'll probably keep winning MVPs.

[Hank]

I'm not saying if Lamar retired right now. He's in the hall of Fame, but I'm saying the way that he's played.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it's been incredible.

[Hank]

If this keeps up, like, anywhere close to what he's been, then, yeah, he's the Hall.

[PFT Commenter]

If he wins another mvp, then he's even not going to a Super Bowl. He'd be the hall of Famer. So. Yeah, two are not wearing that. What else? Oh, Hank, did you want to talk at all about Belichick? Basically, yeah.

[Max]

That was on my hot sequel throw.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, we'll save it. We'll save it. No, no, we'll save it. We'll save it. We'll save it for Hot Seat, Cool Throne. We also had Jameson Williams suspension, so two games.

[Hank]

That's a pretty light suspension, isn't it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What did he. What did he have?

[Hank]

What do you do? PES is what Schefter said. Performance enhancing substance.

[PFT Commenter]

I wonder what it was to me.

[Hank]

That'S, that doesn't feel like it's. Isn't it usually four games if it's like a drug? If you're on steroids?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

And what it was like a shake or something.

[Hank]

A shake. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Galaxy Gas.

[Hank]

What is that?

[PFT Commenter]

It's just whippets that they just slapped a tag on. Like they, it's new age whippets and they sell it and they just said, hey, it's Galaxy. Galaxy Gas. And now all the kids are like, oh, this is awesome. It's like, yeah, we used to just do it with whipped cream.

[Hank]

Is that the kind is worse than whippets?

[PFT Commenter]

Is it?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Look at what the packaging looks like.

[Hank]

It looks like candy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

We shouldn't bash it too much because it could end up being a sponsor.

[Hank]

And also we've never tried it. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It'S a cool throw. Brought to you by Galaxy Gas.

[Hank]

Loosen up those buttholes.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not ruling it out. Is it legal?

[Eddie]

No, because, no, it is legal because it's, it is technically meant for, like making whipped cream, but they just package it like this. Obvious that they're actually trying to sell it as whippet.

[Hank]

Oh, yeah. So maybe it was on the Galaxy Gas.

[Eddie]

It's like very controversial because it's like.

[PFT Commenter]

Very appealing to chile and it's very bad for your brain.

[Big Cat]

Horrible.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He might have been on Viagra.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, could be.

[Hank]

Ochocinco used to say he would take Viagra sometimes and he knew a lot of NFL players that did it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, maybe that's what it is. But either way, Jameson Williams, I, I, I do think that he should appeal it and wait because they play on Thanksgiving. So just wait and do it the week before Thanksgiving and then you only miss five games. Five days.

[Hank]

He said he's going to try to get back to the team and contribute ASAP as possible. No, what do you say? Asap, soon as possible. Which is great. Yeah, it's great. That, that's very, that's a very fast return.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a very fast return. But yeah, appeal that and wait till then. You only miss five days. Wouldn't that make the most sense?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know who they play on Thanksgiving though, so we'd have to check the schedule.

[Hank]

So it's the Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's weird. Yeah, but I didn't know that.

[Hank]

It does fit. You know, that's the least amount of.

[PFT Commenter]

Time I'm looking out for Jameson Williams.

[Hank]

If he's trying to get back asap, soon as possible.

[PFT Commenter]

He would do it in five days.

[Hank]

Five days is asap. Soon as possible.

[PFT Commenter]

He takes his suspension Sunday morning at 11:59. His suspension is over on Thursday at like 3:00.

[Hank]

Yeah. And you get to have. You get to have Thanksgiving with your family.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Just think about it. Okay. Should we talk a little college football? We have a lot more college football with Ross Dellinger. I wanted to start, though. Texas got their welcome to the SEC moment, and it was tough for Texas. I saw a couple funny things. One, Georgia's defensive line was incredible. They just bullied him all night. Even had Sark doing the panic. Let's hit the arch button, which didn't do anything.

[Hank]

That was a weird arch button to hit. Really weird. He was in for two drives, I think. And then they sent Ewers back out there once it was clear that. That Ewers was not the problem. But it. It felt to me like if you put arch in, you got to stick with arch.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You've made a decision. That's gotta be weird for yours. Going back in.

[PFT Commenter]

They. That picture of the two of them sitting on the sideline, both having the Manning face.

[Hank]

I don't think either one of them was happy with it.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no.

[Hank]

Like, is it because you had Arch going in, getting his ass kicked and struggling against a really good defense. He's like, fuck, this sucks. Then you have viewers on the sideline being like, fuck, this sucks. I just lost my job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So you managed to alienate both of your quarterbacks at once.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It felt like a panic move. I don't think Texas is completely out of it, but that definitely was like a big boy test that they failed.

[Hank]

Yeah. I have a take about the bottle incident, about the fans throwing stuff. And we talked to Ross about this a little bit later. I kind of liked it.

[PFT Commenter]

Duh.

[Hank]

I kind of liked it a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because I root for chaos. I love. I love watching weird chaotic on my television on Saturday. When I watch college football, I want to see weird stuff happen. And having the entire student section throw box. They didn't hit anybody. They weren't throwing out players. Nobody was in danger.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm sure someone got hit.

[Hank]

Maybe, but it was.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a bunch of people on the sidelines.

[Hank]

I don't think that they were targeting players with it. They were pissed off at throwing bottles.

[PFT Commenter]

What about all the, like, cheerleaders, media.

[Hank]

Yeah, Bevo. Maybe Bevo got hit with something. Good thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Life on at least one person getting hit with a water bottle.

[Hank]

Good thing. UGA didn't make the trip. They said he's bad on airplanes, so they didn't bring him. If UGA makes a road trip, I want the opposing fans to have, like, bring tennis balls to the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then throw them down to the field next to UGA and watch him go nuts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But I. I liked it because it was crazy and it was stupid. And the refs getting together. I don't know if they were bullied into changing their call. I don't know if one of them snuck a quick look up at the video board and saw, oh, hey, we really fucked this up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't know what happened, but the fact of the matter was there was like, a five minute delay. The refs changed their mind about it, gave Texas the ball, and as. As a neutral party that doesn't root for either team. I, like, I did put money on Texas to win the championship at the start of the year, but I'm not a Texas fan.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Hank]

I have no skin in that game as a neutral party. Watching it, I was like, this is cool. College football is better when weird like, this happens. And then I saw all the talking heads later being like, this was an ugly scene. This is bad for the sports. It's a black eye on Texas. It's a black eye on the sec. No. When Tennessee did it and they threw mustard bottles on the field, I was like, that's cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You don't want to see it every game, but there is something about college football that it's. It's the closest that we can get to, like, European soccer culture.

[Hank]

Yeah. It's not like this is Brazil where you've got fans running on the field trying to murder the ref or stabbing each other. And don't get me wrong, like, you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't throw stuff on the field. But I liked it.

[PFT Commenter]

Matthew McConaughey had to re release a. It's not a notes app, because it looks. It's not actually on the notes app, but it essentially is. He said Longhorn Nation. And specifically our DKR student section, Moc McConaughey coming out at you here first off, your electric Saturday night. Yada yada ya. But let's get real about the bottle bombing the field. What is it? All right. But let's get real about the bottle bombing the field. Glitch we had not cool bogey move. Yeah. That call was BS but we're better than that. Longhorn Nation knows how to show up, show out like no other, and still keep our class. Oh, we dropped the Class, Class.

[Hank]

You can't do the class.

[PFT Commenter]

So going forward, let's clean that kind of BS up and leave that behind us for good. We have to shake hands on that.

[Hank]

I don't like that from Kanahe. I don't like that. I mean, Kanahe more than anybody should know. He gets older. College kids stay the same age. They're always going to around like, this is what college kids do.

[PFT Commenter]

I like bogey move, though.

[Hank]

And bogey move is a good move. Yeah, that's a good, good phrase.

[PFT Commenter]

We also, I saw a very funny clip of a Texas fan who. Someone was peering over him and he was texting and he was texting a friend during the game and he was happened to be seated in the Georgia like, section, fan section. And his text is, I'm in the middle of the Georgia fans, man. The barking is overwhelming. Yeah, it's like, welcome to the sec, bro.

[Hank]

Yeah, you're getting barked at, man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Mississippi State comes to town. That's going to be a weird scene too, with the cowbells invading Austin. Yeah, I. Yeah, it was a big time, welcome to the SEC moment for Texas. And now they're. I think part of the punishment is Texas has to try to find the fans that threw that shit and then get them kicked out of games and banned from the stadium forever.

[PFT Commenter]

Boo.

[Hank]

That's bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't do that.

[Hank]

How many, how many. How many feds were in the crowd inciting that riot? That's what I want to know.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a good question. You know what? That.

[Hank]

That one kid, you remember the kid with a big ass hair that was in the front row. That's a fed.

[PFT Commenter]

That was. That was a fed. You know what they could do is just have the refs not fuck up calls. Yeah, Think about that.

[Hank]

It was a very bad call in.

[PFT Commenter]

Terms of this season, which has been great. We have. So we get the Army Navy game in the conference championship. We talked to Ross about all the iterations of Army Navy. They are now both obviously ranked. Just rolling, everyone. We have the first big test for Navy this week playing against Notre Dame. But some of the other stories. The UNLV Boise game on Friday night is going to be incredible. I'm very excited for that. And BYU with their quarterback. BYU has been one of the best stories in college football this year and they are now still undefeated. Barely get by Oklahoma State and 7, 0. And it's just. I don't know. This. This season has been so much fun. Iowa State's really good in the Big 12 and we still have just massive, massive games coming up like LSU and Texas A and M is basically an elimination game.

[Hank]

They're both undefeated in the sec, right?

[PFT Commenter]

They're both undefeated in the sec. They both took non conference losses week one. It's just, I don't know. I, I've, I have enjoyed thoroughly this college football season and I know that there have been people who said the regular season doesn't matter as much. I have not watched a single big time game, whether that be Georgia, Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, any of these games and thought to myself while watching it, well, this is lame because we're going to see them play again.

[Hank]

The only shitty thing that could happen and there should be a rule against this is you should not be allowed in the 12 team playoff if you have three losses.

[PFT Commenter]

If you have that, that might happen though.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah. But I think what they, what happens.

[PFT Commenter]

If there's, what they should do if.

[Hank]

You have three losses and you're like say Alabama loses another game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Then I feel like you need to take an undefeated team that's maybe in a Group of 5 conference and put them in instead of a Power 4 team with three losses. Yeah, there's three strikes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think it's, it's obviously going.

[Hank]

To happen because it would suck if a team with three losses gets in the playoffs and then they win the national championship. That would be bad.

[PFT Commenter]

It depends on the three losses though. I don't know if you find them. If they win a national championship playing a road game and then three other playoff games, they're deserving.

[Hank]

But I think it would give a lot of credence to people that are saying that the playoff diminishes the regular season. You, you could, you couldn't argue with that person where you say yes, you're 100. Correct. It does diminish it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it diminishes a little bit. But I still would want to be, I want to get the best national champion and if that team goes and rolls four games, I, it would be hard to argue against them.

[Hank]

If it's in 12. I think if it's three strikes, you're out. I don't want to see you.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. Yeah, that's. That there could definitely be a three loss SEC team that gets into the playoff. Indiana also, it's incredible story. They're 7 0. They absolutely steamrolled Nebraska. I was there at Bloomington on Saturday. It was so much fun. And they, Indiana, as long as they, their only loss is Ohio State, they should be in.

[Hank]

Yeah, they should be.

[PFT Commenter]

And if they lose another one, they probably to be in a lot of trouble because of their strength of schedule. But run the table other than Ohio State and you're probably in.

[Hank]

I like what. What Signetti is doing, too. And if you don't know much about Kirk Signetti, he's from.

[PFT Commenter]

Google him.

[Hank]

Yeah, Google him. Look him up and all he does is win. He's from the Nick Saban coaching tree. So he coached at Alabama. Right. When they were turning things around, he was down there with Nick Saban. He operates, moves, looks sometimes a lot like Nick Saban. He's always pissed off. Like, he was screaming at his players in the fourth quarter because they were only up by 40 points. So he is a very intense football coach. He gets results and he's doing it. His team is like the group of. Group of five all Stars right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

A bunch of transfers that were awesome at smaller schools, and he just brought them in. He's like, okay, we're going to make Indiana football good. Because I know that you guys have proven that you can play.

[PFT Commenter]

Curtis Rourke, Max.

[Hank]

And Legend Max, Ohio. Right?

[PFT Commenter]

Bobcat. Yeah. And I think he's got his thumb.

[Hank]

He's got like 12 guys from JMU.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

His thumb. He's probably not going to be playing next week. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

He's not playing this week against Washington at home. But their backup's actually not bad. He's. Fuck. Wait, I got it somewhere. Oh, he's Trace Jackson Davis's brother. Kind of fun wrinkle. Isn't that wild? Trace Jackson Davis, IU legend in basketball. He's probably not going to play this week. They. I would think they need him back for Michigan State because that's not. That's not the easiest game. That's not a rollover game. Michigan State, their quarterback has looked pretty good.

[Hank]

And that's the one that you have to win.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to win that game. Yeah. Cause there are other games. I mean, their schedule has been soft. But guess what? Don't apologize if you are a.

[Hank]

They're blowing people out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If you're. If you're an Indiana Hoosier fan, don't let. Don't let anyone make you feel bad for kicking the shit out of bad teams.

[Hank]

You think there's anybody at Alabama that's like, we should have hired Sig?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Hank]

I think there are. I think they're losing their patience with DeBoer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they might be. Yeah. Michigan State is playing Michigan this week. In Michigan State, they've. They have three losses, but they were two of them were to Ohio State and Oregon, which everyone would probably lose to those teams. Okay. Anything else with college football? I'm excited for that Friday night game. Boise unlv, they could play again, though, too. So we might get a double for that. But I Army Navy. I want Navy to. I want one of them to finish the season undefeated. Yeah.

[Hank]

Be great.

[PFT Commenter]

So, so much fun. So much fun. Okay, let's do Hot Sequel Throne. Hank. Yeah. You ready?

[Max]

I'm ready.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Max]

Hank my hot seat is John Mayo.

[Hank]

Oh, what?

[Max]

Yes, he came out. He called the Patriots soft. So they're playing soft. And then Bill Belichick on his appearance with McAfee, when asked about it, said, it's a lot of the same players from last year. I'm kind of hurt for those guys because to call them soft. They are not soft. They were the best team in the league last year against the Run. I feel bad for the defensive players on that one. So this is bad. There's got to be a lot of dissension in the locker room, and it's tough.

[PFT Commenter]

Belichick's got to be loving this.

[Max]

And there's. There's some. There's some videos, you know, now the. The Patriots, like, you know, Twitter accounts and Die Hard, whatever. Stan accounts are finding videos from, you know, the preseason when they said it's going to be a looser locker room. There was players riding bikes around the locker room. There was mini hoo. Setup, and it's just a bad.

[Hank]

Mini hoops.

[Max]

It's a bad look.

[Hank]

You guys got turned into a basketball team.

[Max]

Wow. It's a bad look.

[PFT Commenter]

And Belich is so. He also loving it. He's loving. He went on Tom Brady's podcast. Yeah. I said the exact same. I just.

[Max]

I just saw that clip. Is it the same clip? I was going to play it, but it's the exact.

[PFT Commenter]

He literally was like, we were number one against the run last year.

[Max]

Yeah, they were four and 13.

[PFT Commenter]

I know. Such a great stat. But he. He's right. If you. If you had to pick, what. What is the. What is the statistic to point to just to prove that you're not soft? It's running the football and stopping the run.

[Hank]

That's got to be.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a fact.

[Hank]

Like an extra level of hell for Patriots fans, too, to hear Tom Brady and Belichick talking about their current team.

[PFT Commenter]

I was shocked that he went on Tom Brady's podcast. Like, is it. I guess it's fully.

[Max]

There was never.

[PFT Commenter]

There was.

[Max]

They've never said there was beef.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, Hank, there was beef.

[Hank]

There was a million percent beef in Tom Brady's last couple seasons.

[PFT Commenter]

I think.

[Max]

I think they probably realize, like, hey, this is all craft.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, no, no. Well, no, I think there was. I think they had a very good marriage that got to an end where it was like, we've been doing this for 20 years together. You. The little things bother you from the other person, and that's the breakup. So I don't think it was, but.

[Max]

Maybe it's like, now that we're not together.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

No, you realize.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Right. Right. I. I don't think it was kids.

[Max]

They got six super bowl kids. Like, they're like, oh, yeah, our kids are great.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I don't think it was ever one thing that one person did the other that was like, I cannot believe you did this. It was just a. Years and years of little things that annoyed them that they had to break up, and now they're fine together. Yeah. Yeah, there was beef.

[Max]

Beef is an over like beef, I don't think is the correct term for it.

[Hank]

No, there was like, it was definitely beef.

[PFT Commenter]

There's 100%.

[Hank]

And I think the beef might have been.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Hank]

It might have been more one sided. Like Tom Brady definitely at the end was like, I'm sick of getting cussed out by Belichick every day and him treating me like I'm a rookie. And Belichick was like, this is just what I've been doing my entire life.

[Max]

Yeah, right in the trainer stuff. But like, I don't think it was Belichick and Brady. I guess there was, there was some beef.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on. It's okay to say there was some.

[Max]

There's no beef anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

There's beef still between Brady or, sorry, Kraft and Belichick forever and now.

[Max]

But they took a shot together.

[PFT Commenter]

Belichick. Yeah, that's true. Belichick is. I mean, this has to feel like the greatest feeling to watch. Like the guy, the team that. The guy took your job, the team that fired you and then them falling off a cliff and you just being like, look, number one against the run, there was funny, they were 4 and 13.

[Max]

There was reports or like an article that was written where everyone in the organization last year knew that Mayo was next up because like he was missing meetings with the team because he was meeting with Kraft. So like, that's definitely. Belichick is, is loving this.

[Hank]

Did Belichick go on Tom Brady's show live from the corn maze? You see that report? No, there was a. I think it was the New York Post and the headline was like, Bill Belichick visits corn maze with his 24 year old girlfriend that was built in his honor.

[Max]

Oh, he's crushing Instagram.

[Hank]

They made a Bill Belichick themed corn maze that he, that he took his girlfriend to on a date. Which rocks.

[PFT Commenter]

Hell yes. Yeah, he's loving life. I still think he wants to coach. I think he wants that record for sure.

[Max]

But like he's. Yeah, he's enjoying. He's enjoying the off time.

[Hank]

Yeah, he was also enjoying just talking about Ed Reed last night.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Ed's his favorite player ever.

[Hank]

That man loves, loves Ed Reed.

[PFT Commenter]

Ed Reed is his favorite player.

[Hank]

I'd love to coach him one day, Ed.

[Max]

Okay then, my cool throne, Jalen Brown, Joe Missoula, or I guess my other hot se was unnamed sources. Oh, Jaylen Brown. Cuz the. You remember Stephen A. Last year had a report about unnamed sources saying people don't like Jaylen Brown. He's too like basically said all this stuff that was lies. And he said it was an unnamed source. That's why Jalen Brown at the parade wore the state your source shirt. He went on Stephen A's podcast and basically just was like, I think it's the unnamed source. Thing is, it's cowardice. And Stephen A was the unnamed source. Yeah, but Jalen Brown just basically went on his podcast and said how much of a coward move it is for the unnamed source to do that to Stephen A's face.

[Hank]

You would never put things out on this podcast with an unnamed source. That's the difference between you and.

[Max]

I know.

[PFT Commenter]

No, the Walls. The Walls?

[Hank]

Yeah. The Walls has a name.

[PFT Commenter]

He is not.

[Max]

Yeah, I can't control the walls.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. These walls talk.

[Max]

I would never report that and say it was an unnamed source.

[Hank]

Correct.

[Max]

I did not report that. Ryan Whitney reported it. And the Walls report.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Walls told Ryan Whitney.

[Max]

Yeah. Thank God, because nothing's happened. And it looks like he's coming back.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Everyone blame Ryan Whitney. Whitney probably doesn't even remember that this even happened.

[Hank]

Is he coming back?

[PFT Commenter]

He might.

[Max]

He's gearing up. Which they also said he was gearing up before they reported he had double Achilles tendonitis or whatever. So who knows? The Walls might be right. But if they're not, I will not feel bad about it because I didn't say anything.

[Hank]

If they have a name.

[PFT Commenter]

If Christian McCaffrey comes back in the. In the Niners, don't lose another game. He should win mvp because they're so broken.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's.

[PFT Commenter]

He. Basically, they're. It's memes hitting the fire. The coach button, Hasan Reddick button, Devonte Adams. Christian McCaffrey has to be all the buttons.

[Hank]

Did you see what happened? Debo. So Debo's in the hospital right now. He has pneumonia, so he's got fluid in his lungs. That's why he didn't play last week. He tried to play, and they're like, he's get an unspecified illness. Everybody was like, oh, Deebo's soft. Debo soft. He had pneumonia.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And he's currently hospitalized.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy.

[Hank]

So I hope he's okay, but. Yeah, the 49ers are missing every single weapon.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's bad memes. By the way, our good friend Tom Frenelli had a very funny tweet. You want me to tell it to you? You can maybe call him. Tom Florio. Yeah. He said the jets are just a Randall Cobb trade away from being good. That's pretty good, huh?

[Hank]

Tom hates the Jets.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you thinking about, isn't he a free agent? I think he's retired. But yeah, it was a joke about how basically the jets every single week are like, this will fix everything.

[Hank]

I.

[Big Cat]

It's a bad tweet.

[PFT Commenter]

They could just sign memes.

[Eddie]

Just keeps going around the office saying, 12 and 5.

[PFT Commenter]

12 and 5.

[Eddie]

That they're going to win every other game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But now, now that The Chargers lost 11 and 6. 11 what?

[Hank]

11 and 6 gets you in. Yeah, 11 and I don't know if.

[PFT Commenter]

Your mic is on, Max.

[Hank]

So Memes is already doing the playoff machine where he's like, the Chargers having another loss means that we can go 11 and 6. Yeah, he's just walking.

[PFT Commenter]

So it's 11 and 6 or is it 12 and 5 now it's 11 and 6. What do you say to this, Max?

[Eddie]

I mean, he's. I just want you to get. I just want you to get shot and put out of your misery. Like, I just can't. It's every week he just comes in and he's like, they're going to win every other. Every game. And then it's just absolute devastation because he truly thinks that the jets will win every game the rest of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

I love looking at the booth now. You guys are just. We need to put up maybe. I wouldn't mind maybe the Pink Floyd ass poster. Yeah. Because you guys really are like, oh, yeah, 13 year old's bedroom. Yeah, let's get that picture. Maybe the two girls kissing.

[Hank]

Ninja turns pizza boondock.

[PFT Commenter]

No, we're 13. We're getting. We're starting to feel some things. Yeah, we should just slowly start taking down the sports stuff and putting up chicks. Yeah, the booth has hit puberty.

[Hank]

The. The Belushi college picture.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Well, that'll be a little bit later.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

Bob Marley at some point.

[Hank]

Bob Marley. No, that's never in a college dorm.

[PFT Commenter]

Never?

[Hank]

Never.

[PFT Commenter]

Remember.

[Hank]

Remember the Mount Rushmore?

[Chris Brickley]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Hank]

Yeah, right.

[PFT Commenter]

We had one where it was.

[Max]

I think about.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you ever think. Do you ever have a moment where you just think about your like 21 year old self or 18 year old self and just like, man, I was a douchebag. But we had one in our apartment that was. It was just a chick spread eagle, like crawling out of the ocean and. Or just her ass.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's good stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

She was hot.

[Hank]

That's good stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Pink Floyd put the whole room together.

[Hank]

My roommate had the Pink Floyd album cover ass picture and he didn't ever listen to Pink Floyd.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He couldn't name a single song. He's just like, it's Asses.

[PFT Commenter]

It's Asses. Yeah, that plays. What were you saying, Hank? That was it.

[Max]

Yeah. Jalen Brown's is maybe the smartest person alive.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, wow.

[Max]

He's very, very intelligent, very well spoken. It's a great interview.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have a cool throw?

[Max]

My cool throne was Missoula. But we talked about that and just me dunking, because the quote Missoula had when he was asked about repeating said zero. There's no pressure. We're all going to be dead soon, and it really doesn't matter. So that made me feel a lot better. Just about everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe when. When Missoula comes to Chicago. Chicago to play the Bulls, he chokes you out and we get one of those stories. You ever hear those? Ran. Everyone knows it's. It's usually not real, but, like, all friend of a friend, like, they. They got. They were drowning for, like, a minute, and then they came to and they spoke fluent Spanish, like. Like that. Maybe that will happen to you. He chokes you out, you lose consciousness, then you can dunk.

[Max]

I'm down.

[Hank]

More of your blood's going to your leg muscles. At that point, we.

[PFT Commenter]

Who is the guy, Max? We met a guy at Tahoe. Remember that guy who had a cane? He was like. I got in a car accident. Afterwards, I was in a coma for, like, 30 days, and I came out speaking Spanish. Do you remember that guy?

[Max]

I do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Those stories are always crazy. I read one about a guy that had a stroke and then he could play the piano perfectly.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He never played an instrument.

[PFT Commenter]

That, I think, is what we have to do. He's got to choke you out and hope that you can just dunk after.

[Hank]

But isn't him saying, like, we could all be dead tomorrow. Doesn't that make it. It doesn't make it more likely that you're gonna be able to dunk. It just makes it more. It makes it easier for you to accept, not dunking.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

There's zero pressure.

[Hank]

So either way, like, mentally, you're in a better spot.

[Max]

Yeah, there's zero pressure.

[Hank]

Okay. What about the money aspect, though?

[Max]

Zero pressure.

[Hank]

Money's not real.

[PFT Commenter]

No, money's not real. Nothing's real. Yeah.

[Max]

If you die tomorrow, who cares if you have money or don't have money?

[Hank]

That's pretty deep.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think that when we die, people will still listen to the show? Like old episodes?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You think the age, like, you can go back?

[Max]

I hope so.

[Hank]

Maybe they'll get better. Like when an artist dies and their paintings are worth so much more.

[PFT Commenter]

I think about that every now and then. Like, when I die, hopefully many, many years from now, like, my kids will be able to just pull me up.

[Hank]

All the time at that point.

[PFT Commenter]

It's kind of a weird feeling.

[Hank]

You'll be able to use AI and get. Get daddy's take on what just happened in the Bears game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's just. I don't know. It's a weird thought. Hot seat. Cool throne. Pft.

[Hank]

My hot seat is NHL merch.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Hank]

Because the NHL has just announced a partnership with fanatics and Lululemon combined to sell NHL stuff. And I was thinking when I saw this, this would be a real shame if they had the same issue that the MLB pants had with Fanatics.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Hank]

Lululemon had that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Hank]

It would be a real shame, and we should not hope for that.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Hank]

And then My Cool Throne is number one bots on Twitter.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Max]

You don't want it?

[Hank]

It'd be a real shame.

[PFT Commenter]

It would be.

[Hank]

It'd be a real shame if Lululemon had the Major League Baseball pants issue. Nobody wants to see that, right?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Hank]

Be gross asses. For the love of God, please. No. Get it, Hank.

[Max]

I do. Yeah. I thought. Yeah, Pants are the most comfortable, some of the most comfortable sweatpants out there besides Roback. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Robots number one.

[Hank]

My Cool Throne is bots on Twitter because they're fucking everywhere. It's. It's crazy.

[Max]

Everywhere.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's.

[Max]

They're fucking everywhere.

[PFT Commenter]

You have both.

[Hank]

You have, like, multiple.

[Max]

They're everywhere. Fucking.

[Hank]

You have so many different types of bot accounts, and they all are Reply guys. And they all come up within the first, like, half second of any major account that tweets something. You got the porn bots, the only fans bots. Then you have the gambling bots. Then you've got the bots that have, like, a Pakistani flag as one of their emojis, and they all reply immediately, and they're getting better.

[PFT Commenter]

You. Yeah, the bots that just repeat your tweet back to you.

[Hank]

Yeah, they paraphrase and. But they're getting better. It's kind of crazy how fast they're able to do it. Now.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you. Do you guys block them? I just block them. I don't think it helps. I don't think it helps at all. But if I see, like, there's three tweets from the same account underneath, I just block it. But I don't think it helps at all.

[Hank]

But it's Gotten, like, it's way worse than it's ever been.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

And there's a theory. It's called the Dead Internet theory. Have you heard about that?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Hank]

It's a theory that, like, starting in 2016 or so, most of the Internet became populated by bots. And so, like, half of everything that you see is not written by a person. It's written by, like, a software program.

[PFT Commenter]

Script.

[Hank]

I don't think it's that much. But on Twitter, excuse me, x x.com the everything app. It's all happening on X. It feels like it's. It's at a level that I've never seen before.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And I don't block them because I want to. I want to know what the bots are up to.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I block them. I don't think it does anything.

[Hank]

I want to keep an eye on them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because they just create. There's, like, one button that they press, and boom. Million new bots.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. My hot seat is Jersey Jerry. Our friend Jersey Jerry. This came from Nikki G. Listener. He tweeted this at me. He thinks he found Jerry's Reddit account. So the little, little Wednesday reading, real quick, if I can. This is from 1400. Totem pole. They wrote, I'm not gay, but I want to live in a log cabin with Russell Wilson. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate the entire time, forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Russell. I won't be able to climax, and eventually, I'll go back downstairs angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day, one of us will die and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his parted friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.

[Hank]

This is literally. This is that episode of the Last of Us.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy.

[Hank]

If you've ever seen that. This is the Last of Us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like, this is what they're doing right now. That. That might be Jersey Jerry.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So thanks to Nikki G. For pointing this out to me. It's Jersey Jerry. I'm not going to tweet about it until the show comes out. But it is like, that was one. I saw it yesterday and I bookmarked it and I was like, I'll bring this up. And then we have to be like, jerry, what's going on, dude?

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, it does. The only thing is the writing style doesn't necessarily match.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's actually put together nicely.

[Hank]

I don't think that Jersey Jerry knows the word erotic.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think he knows how to write.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's all speech to text.

[PFT Commenter]

Fun fact about Jersey Jerry, he doesn't have a computer. How he doesn't have a computer.

[Hank]

I feel like that might be a trend though, which we.

[PFT Commenter]

I was like, we're all given computers.

[Hank]

No, no, I'm saying like. I'm saying like, there's probably more younger people that don't have computers.

[PFT Commenter]

He. He's not young.

[Hank]

I know.

[PFT Commenter]

And he also just doesn't because he.

[Hank]

He kind of is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he is a little bit.

[Hank]

He's like 28.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. 29. He. Yeah, I said something to him like, have you ever blogged? He's like, I don't have a computer. So. So maybe he just did it on his phone. My Coulter and I have two. One is the Las Vegas Raiders because they fixed their quarterback room. Aiden OConnells, Hurt and Spencer, or, sorry, Desmond Ritter is now a Las Vegas Raider.

[Hank]

Okay, good.

[PFT Commenter]

So that will solve everything.

[Hank]

What was their plan going into the season? That's still mystifying.

[PFT Commenter]

Prey.

[Hank]

It's like Gardner Minshew, maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Prey. And then my other cool throne is Minnesota sports because they recreated the old Randy Moss KG picture with Anthony Edwards and Justin Jefferson. And I know Minnesota sports are sad state don't win things, but they might have like the coolest collection of athletes in the last 20 years, like, compared to anyone else. Yeah.

[Hank]

And also, didn't Anthony Edwards say that he wanted to play in the NFL after a couple more seasons in the NBA?

[PFT Commenter]

Sure.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Think about it though. They had kg, they had Randy Moss. They have Anthony Edwards. They have Justin Jefferson. They had Joe Mauer.

[Hank]

Yeah. Very cool.

[PFT Commenter]

The coolest, coolest athletes. He's awesome.

[Hank]

He's bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got two great interviews. We have Ross Dellinger talking more college football. Then we have a really cool interview with Chris Brickley, who is an NBA trainer. You've probably seen all his videos talking about his story to becoming an NBA trainer with Mello and little NBA talk. You know who's going to be good this year? Who? He's been training. Very cool interview in studio. But before we do that. Pft.

[Hank]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. He covers college football for Yahoo. It is Ross Dellinger. You can also hear him on the College Football Inquirer. Great podcast with Dan Wetzel and Pat40. Ross, first of all, thank you for joining us. You're going to help us get navigate this crazy college football season. I want to start though, you were in Austin on Saturday night for Texas Georgia. Have you in all your years of covering college football seen a scene like that where water bottles throwing on the field weirdly maybe helped a call get overturned for the Texas Longhorns even though they fell short and got absolutely killed by Georgia.

[Big Cat]

Never, Never in, in 20ish years or so of covering college football and honestly high school football in pro football. I've never seen that. I've never seen a call announced to a crowd and then the ball be marked and then there'd be some kind of pause and play and in the call is reversed. Usually you see the officials confer in before an announcement and before marking the ball and then to, you know, to overturn a call. You don't see it announced, marked and then overturned. So that that was the first for me in a while. And then it just added or ever and then it just added a lot of drama right with the, with the stuff being thrown in the field and the fact that there was a five minute pause probably in the game to clean up the water and beer bottles and everything else that was thrown out there. And during that pause, basically the Officials, that's when they conferred. So the suggestion is if bottles aren't thrown in the field and they don't have that pause, they don't confer. Georgia snaps the ball and keeps possession instead of Texas getting possession. It was. It was wild. And you can imagine I was on the field after the game in the Georgia administrators were down there, the Georgia president in the Georgia athletic director. And let me tell you, they were not too happy. Greg Sankey was down in the field too, in the Georgia president had a conversation with him. I can imagine what was said, but they weren't happy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's. It was a crazy moment. Maybe Greg Abbott changes his mind about student protests. That feels like that benefited him this time. And when it happened, my understanding of the process was that the officials got together and the official that threw the flag said, hey, my bad. I've had a couple minutes to think about it, and I think I told you that the wrong guy committed the penalty. It was actually on the offense why I threw the flag, and then that was the explanation for why it was overturned. Is that what they're going with?

[Big Cat]

That's right. Yeah. That. That's the. The SEC released a statement basically saying the, the. The calling. The official who called the foul acknowledged that he aired in his judgment and he meant to call. And Kirby Spark told us this afterward, too. He meant to call offensive pass interference basically on. On the Georgia player, not defensive. And if you watch the replay of the. Of the. The play, you can see that just the way the, the way the. The guys were positioned like the players, the offensive player was actually more in a role you would know, like trailing the play. You would more normally see a DB trail the play. So I do wonder if the official actually did get confused there and called the wrong player, called the wrong foul, and then thought about it while the trash was being thrown in the field. Right. And then conferred and changed the call. Either way, it's probably not in. Kirby Smart said this after the game. Probably not great precedent to set.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

That you can announce a call market. And then. Oh, by the way, I just had a few minutes to think about it while trash was being thrown on the field.

[Hank]

If you cry enough, they'll change their mind.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I like that.

[Hank]

Yeah. So. So the official, you're saying that he saw it like as a defensive back was actually the wide receiver and then called it that way. To me, I mean, I think everybody that watched it and ultimately, you know what it.

[PFT Commenter]

It.

[Hank]

It's one of those situations where maybe ball don't lie because they got the call, Right. They ended up making the correct call on the play and then Georgia just ended up beating the shit out of Texas from that point on. So it's like this could be a lot worse if it had been a call that actually just straight up impacted the. The result of the game. But yeah, it does. It basically just says, and I know that Texas is trying to like track down what students threw shit onto the field. Right. I don't know if they're going to use surveillance cameras or whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Hank]

It's just a whole mess. And it was done probably in a bad way. But at the end of the day, I think it ended up working out as good as it could for the sport. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Well, think about this, guys, like if they had, if they had stuck to the original call, right, Then there would always be that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Thing hanging over the outcome and the result of the game. And certainly it would have been a pretty big. So there's that, there's that point. And the other point is what if Texas used that play to score touchdown, which they did, and springboard them into a win then? So there's a lot of different ways this could have been. This could have had a lot more magnitude, I think. But instead it kind of went how. Yeah, you know, you thought it might go.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was a footnote. So I wanted to talk about from that game. You were there, you were there. What was the vibe when you're talking to Texas people? Because not to do knee jerk reactions, but this was Texas in their first big boy SEC game and they got absolutely manhandled. Like that was, that was an insane performance by Georgia's defensive line. And it felt like, oh, we, we asked for this. We wanted to go to the sec. This isn't us pushing around Baylor and Texas Tech anymore. Like, these are big boys. Did you catch that vibe? Or was it like, hey, we're close, we just had an off night.

[Big Cat]

There was a little bit of that vibe. And then. And for me, guys, I actually go back 14 years ago. @ the time, I was a beat writer covering the University of Missouri. And in their first year in the SEC 2012, they hosted Georgia in their first ever SEC game. And going into that week, a Missouri player, you know, kind of calling out the old school type of SEC and how they played back then, certainly said that Georgia played old man football. I don't know if you guys remember that. And then after the game, Georgia absolutely whipped them in the same way that Georgia beat Texas. Controlling the line of scrimmage, dominating on defense, harassing the quarterback. And so after that, after that Missouri game in 2012, a Georgia player said, no, we don't play old man football. We playing grown man football. And that's what. That's what this felt like. Yeah, actually, it's like Texas, welcome to the sec. We play grown man football. It was amazing. Georgia's defensive front and what they did against a Texas offensive line that. That really was supposed to be one of the best in is and the most experienced in the country. It was just they harassed, harassed them, harassed the quarterback all game. I think they had seven sacks. I think they had three sack fumbles. It was. It was a dominating performance by Georgia. And then afterward, you know, Kirby Smart talked a lot, as coaches do, about all the doubt, you know, going into the game that Georgia could handle and stay with Texas. And he talked about the doubters. And see, I showed you. This was a. I showed you game. This was a welcome to the SEC game. This is how we play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, Texas's main fault was just not wearing Alabama's uniforms because that's the only team that could beat Georgia. That's it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They just beat everyone else.

[Big Cat]

Never played. Never play Alabama again. They can somehow get away with never playing Alabama again. Georgia, they'll be fine.

[PFT Commenter]

They'd never lose a game. So speaking of Alabama, you, you, you know, your bread and butter, you know, starting out was sec. How. What do you think the vibe is like in Alabama right now? Knowing that it's not that they have lost to Vanderbilt in Tennessee, which are bad. You know, Saban would never lose to Vanderbilt, but it's also, you could kind of see Alabama and they don't have the toughness, discipline that a Nick Saban team has always had. And that's got to be driving people insane, I would imagine.

[Big Cat]

Is Tuscaloosa still standing? Have they burned it down yet? I mean, I can't imagine what it's like there right now in the building, outside of the building. I just Sunday church on Sunday in Tuscaloosa or anywhere in Alabama, I'm sure was this was a talking point. The tide losing two of their first seven, which hadn't happened since Saban's first year, 2007.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

And you're right. You nailed one of the issues. They are undisciplined. And we've seen through 17 years, we saw pretty disciplined teams from Nick Saban, and they are just undisciplined. So 15 penalties. I think Alabama had. I think they are in the bottom 10 in the FBS in total penalty yardage in games. So and these are silly penalties. They're like post, post, post, you know, snap and pre snap penalties, frustration, emotional type penalties, you know, and it's the little things. These teams are separated by so small, their talent is so close, especially with Alabama and Tennessee and the Georgias and the Texas. It's these little things. And sometimes a penalty or a group of penalties can be the difference in a game. So it's been shocking to see how they played in. This is a storyline certainly from here on out. Is Nick Saban their former coach. Right. And maybe the best of all time is square in the middle of college football still every morning on Saturday. And his team, right, his former team at least is, you know, losing as bad as they have since he took, since he had originally taken over. So I'm fascinated to see how Nick Saban nationally on ESPN is going to approach this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

Well, I mean you said it's, it's the first time it's happened since Nick Saban's first year as well. Now obviously DeBoer took over a much, much, much better program than, than Saban inherited at the time. But there's going to be growing PA and I actually think the SEC right now where it stands, we're in for a very fun couple weeks here because there's, there's a little bit of chaos. We don't know what's going to happen. And with the 12 team playoff, it feels like there's like any number of five different combinations of ways that they should, this could shake out. So from where we're sitting today, it's October 21st. Where, where is this going to play out? Who's going to win the SEC and then what other SEC teams do you think are going to be in 12 team playoffs off?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean we could really, we could be locked at four or five teams at the top, all tied with one two losses. You look. And there could easily be three or four teams that finished 10 and two in the league. And how do you separate these teams? Some of them didn't play each other because the conference has gotten so big, you know, in all the conferences. Right. That's one of the issues with this consolidation of conferences and the consolidation of big brands and the growth of conferences is that you got rid of the divisions. So everybody's lumped in together and there's 16 or 18 teams in these conferences and some of them don't play each other. So you got all these tiebreakers, including down to like the fifth, sixth, seventh tiebreaker down to like flipping a coin. Right. To see who goes to the championship game. We could, we could really be in, in for, not just in the sec, but in for some seriously weird ties and tiebreakers. But to get back to your question, I think we all probably saw the best team in the SEC on Saturday night. In, in. It's Georgia. It's a healthy Georgia. You know, as long, as long as they can avoid Alabama.

[PFT Commenter]

Right?

[Big Cat]

It's a, it's a healthy Georgia. You know, they were missing a lot of defensive players against Alabama. They were missing a lot of defensive players. And in a lot of these games against Kentucky, they got pretty much everybody back against Texas and it showed. And that's, that's what they are. So to me, Georgia is probably, you know, the best team in the league. You know, from there, I think there's, there's a, there's a grouping of a lot of, a lot of teams kind of all jumbled together. We obviously A and M right now is at the top of the league, undefeated in the conference, and so is lsu. They each have a non conference loss and so they're kind of right there, you know, so me, to me, it's, it's after Georgia, it's Tennessee, it's A and M and it's probably, probably lsu. And then you have Texas as well. So I think there's a big four or five grouping right there. And out of that group, somebody's got to get to the championship game to potentially face Georgia.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I don't really know who that is. You know, if you look at the schedules, A and M and LSU play each other this weekend. So that's gonna, that's gonna tell us some things. Right. Texas and Texas A and M finish the year playing each other. Tennessee still has to play Georgia, I believe. Right. So you'll, you'll, at the end of this thing, if you look at it, we might see Texas and Georgia playing again.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so in terms of big picture, we have a stance on this podcast. We love the 12 team playoffs. Are you a fan of the 12 team playoff? And like we were just saying before you hopped on like unlv, Boise State is a game on Friday night that has major, major implications that wouldn't in years past with the 14 playoff. What do you think though, in terms of, for the sport and for any naysayers who are like, we don't like the 12 team playoff?

[Big Cat]

Well, I always go back to the percentages of teams in A Certain sport that, that can advance to their postseason. Right. So you look at the NCAA basketball tournament and other ncaa, A lot of other NCAA sports, volleyball, softball and around 10 to 20% of a sports participants can get in into the postseason. In college football for so many years was 3%. Right. Which is incredibly low. Just too low. Look at pro sports, they have over 20%. Some of their, you know, you can probably go too high, but 3% is certainly too low. So right now they're at 9 or 10% with the 12 team playoff, which I, I think some would probably say is too low, which is why we're probably almost certainly bound eventually for a 16 team playoff. Like everything sets up for this thing to keep expanding. Yeah, 14 teams, 16 teams. Like it's going to keep expanding. But I love it. I love the 12 team. I actually like the format a lot too. I know that's been a big debate right now. And there's a couple of bit real powerful conferences that want to see the format changed right. In the Big Ten and sec, they want to see a change there. They want to see multiple automatic qualifiers. But I love the format as it is now where Basically each Power 4 conference gets an A, their champion gets an AQ, and then as you mentioned, right, that the best group of five team gets in gets an AQ and basically serves in a way as that like 16 seed in the NCAA basketball tournament. Kind of playing the one seed sort of thing. Yeah, no, they'll almost always be a 12 seed, although you never know. Right. We could have like, you know, this year, guys like what if we have a Big 12 team, lose two or three games and win the Big 12 championship and finish in the rankings behind a Boise or a unlv? Well, Boise or UNLV is going to end up getting the four seed because the top four seeds only go to conference champions and they get a buy. So actually you could have that happen. It would be pretty unusual, but you could. But I love it. I love the format. I love how they did it. They have seven at larges, right. That are still for those, those programs that didn't win their conference. But I really like the format as is. I wish that they would kind of let the format play out before changing it, but everybody's in a rush these days and there's not a lot of patience.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, so what's, when we met at the combine last year, you explained to me what they were proposing for a format change. So what would be the 16 team playoff and also how does it tie in you do some great reporting. This Big Ten, sec, they're doing like, you know, these. The meeting of the families in Nashville and stuff, and just trying to box everyone. What's happening in all of that, if you can explain it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on. Right. I'll start with the playoff format. And, and, and it ties in to the Big Ten SEC meetings, right? So Big Ten SEC administrative ADs athletic directors met about two weeks ago in Nashville. Is a joint meeting, kind of historic, unprecedented type of meeting between 34, you know, 34 athletic directors gathered in a room and they talked about three things. One of them was the future of the College Football Playoff format. Another one was a future scheduling partnership between the two programs, like a regular season scheduling type of, type of agreement. And the number three was, of course, this house settlement, this antitrust house settlement that will usher in revenue sharing, athlete revenue sharing coming next, next year. So those are kind of the three big topics. So they do tie into the playoff format. So this past spring, when all the, the 10 FBS commissioners got together in Notre Dame's athletic director, those 11 people kind of sit on a board that controls the College Football Playoff. When they all got together to start talking about a new cfp, there was an agreement that was made that basically the SEC and Big Ten have most of the control. They basically ceded control to the SEC and Big Ten on revenue distribution. Who gets the money in the future format of a playoff starting in 2026 and beyond, because for the next two years, we'll have the current format, the 12 team, 5 AQ7 at large. But they seeded control of a lot of this to the SEC and Big Ten. And you probably ask why in the heck with the Big 12, the ACC and the Group of Five conferences seed control to the SEC and Big 10. It's because the SEC and Big 10 said, we want the power or we're leaving and we're leaving you behind. And that's what happened. And I've got, you know, administrators have been on the record about that. I had a story back in April, kind of diving deep into what. What happened, the ultimatum that the SEC and big thing Big Ten gave them. So nobody wanted to see that. Well, they CD control. So the bottom line is the SEC and Big Ten, in conjunction with their TV partner espn, have control of the future format of the playoff and could, you know, they'll start talking probably in the spring, maybe January, about what the playoff will look like starting in 2026 and beyond. Now, there are some guarantees, guys, that they made. So there's a guarantee that each Power 4 conference champion will get in in a group of five champion will get in. And there's a guarantee for Notre Dame because they're an independent. If they finish inside a certain ranking, a top 12 or top 14, then they get in a large berth. So keeping in mind those guarantees, everything else is on the table, where the games are played, how many playoff teams there are, and what they really want and what they've pushed, especially in the Big Ten guys, is that they want multiple automatic qualifiers per conference. So the Big Ten would like four automatic qualifiers in the playoff. The SEC, the proposal is the SEC would have four as well. The ACC and Big Big 12 might have two each. Those are just talked about. Nothing agreed to, but that's what the talk is. They're trying to eliminate the selection committee in the subjectivity around that. So that is kind of the talking point right now. Nothing agreed to, but that's what the Big Ten specifically wants.

[Hank]

It's interesting because looking forward in like four years into the future of college football, you have no idea how many of these conferences are going to exist as we know them right now. Right. Because realignment is still happening. So what is, what is the big picture? What is, what is the end goal that the, the power conferences are fighting towards? Where do they see college football being in like five years?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. I mean, some of them don't know where college football will be in five months. Right. It changes so regular, like every day, it's changing. I think something everybody needs to understand is that the House settlement, which not to get too in the weeds there, just know that the House settlement will allow schools to pay millions of dollars directly to athletes. Right. In the state competitive, you're going to have to pay millions of dollars to athletes. And there are schools that aren't going to be able to do that. So there's going to be more and more separation, right. Specifically between probably the top 30 or 40 schools and everybody else, and certainly the top 70 in the Power 4. In the G5, though, the gaps will continue to grow in. In 2031, when pretty much every conference, a lot of the conferences. TV deals come open, which the TV deals, of course, lock schools in place, but when they come open, everybody's a free agent, right? So in 2031, when a lot of that happens, you're going to have more conference movement and more realignment. And there's a suggestion that the gaps will grow so big because of all the revenue sharing coming and all the schools that can't keep up. That there will be a small segment, not 130, maybe not even 70, maybe 40 or 50, that separate off and do their own thing. And you guys have seen probably a lot of my reporting and others about this, quote, super league type of things that are being shared with administrators, that a lot of them have private equity back behind them. And they basically would separate a smaller group of programs into kind of a premier league in Europe. And it would be more of a professionalized kind of model. That's the way a lot of folks see this going now, whether that's just the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and doing it, or the SEC and Big Ten splitting off and taking some other programs or the power four, there's going to be some kind of more formal separation on the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

What about relegation? Have they talked about that? Because that would rock.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, it would.

[Big Cat]

You know, the proposal. There's a. There's a group. I had a story about this a couple weeks ago right before the SEC and Big Ten meeting. It's called Project Rudy. It's a kind of a type of super league proposal. They don't call it a super league. Most would. It takes the four power leagues and all those 70 schools. That keeps everybody in their conference, but they only play one another in non. So they play conference schedules and then all their non conference are against one another. Not against G5, not against FCS schools. And then they have kind of a redone playoff and then they consolidate everybody right into a tv, one TV package which would bring in more money. And they have relegation. Right. So they had tiers. They have four tiers. And you're put in these tiers based on how you performed the previous year. So they do have a relegation where you can move up and move down. A lot of folks like the idea. It has a lot of support, but it has more support from people not in the Big Ten.

[Hank]

Right.

[Big Cat]

In sec. Because if you're an advantage position. Yeah, right.

[Hank]

If you feel like you could possibly lose out on being in the Big Ten, why would you ever sign off on that? Deal.

[Max]

Deal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

Exactly.

[PFT Commenter]

I hope it just gets to a point in this is my hope that probably will never happen, is that we just end up back at square one where you have like the Big Ten. Now there's a Big Ten West Division, like in the NFL, and it's Oregon, usc, Washington, ucla. So you bring back the regional divisions and then you played almost like an NFL schedule where it's like. Like you play everyone in your little Division winner of your division goes to the playoff and play it out that way. That's probably never going to happen. But it feels like it would be funny if we kind of like streaming, how streaming took place of cable and now we're back at the spot where we're just buying streaming bundles and we're buying cable again. We're just going to get back to regional conferences through divisions.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think that we could see certainly on the. For the bat for basketball in the Olympic sports. Sports. They're already talking about that. Right. How can we regionalize competition? Because it makes no sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

For a volleyball team to fly across the country or softball team to fly across the country. And folks are starting to realize that there's already talk at the NCAA level of trying to more regionalize Olympic sports. But maybe you're right. Maybe it happens even in football at some point in these conferences break down and separate into a geographic type of regions. You know, I think a lot of that again, will probably get settled in the early to mid-2030s where you have all the TV deals come open in. In schools are kind of free agents. But this, this revenue share is going to change everything. And it is going to, for once and for all, probably lead to. To a. Some sort of formal breakaway and separation between the programs that make a lot of the money. Right. Like, I think the stats are the top. There's 18 programs that drive 60% of the college football viewership. 18. And of those, I think there's six programs that drive like, you know, 60% of that. 60%.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

So those programs are. And along with a few others are going to separate just based alone on the fact that they can pay now. They can pay players directly and legally. And so we're going to have to get to a separation. And once that really happens, then you probably will have what you're talking about where everybody starts having a little more sense on geography and travel.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All right, so back to this season. Because it's been a great college football season. We've screwed this up a few times. Explain to us how we can get both army and Navy into the college football player into the playoff.

[Big Cat]

That would be hard.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Difficult. It's amazing, though, that this is happening this season where army and Navy are both at the same time, undefeated for the first time since World War II, I think. And it's amazing that that's happening right now in the first year of the expanded playoff in about six months after the CFP made a crucial decision concerning specifically army and Navy. So back in April, the CFP got together. We all know, you know, Army Navy play the week after the conference championship games, the week after the CFP selections are made. So back in April, CFP had a big meeting try to decide on what to do. What if army and Navy are somehow in their wildest dreams. They finish undefeated and we have to. And they still haven't played each other and we have to make selections. Well, they got together in April and they decided we're going to basically not count the Army Navy game. So we're going to make our selections. Right on. After the conference championship games, we're going to make the selection of who the best G5 team in team is and give them the AQ. And if it's army or Navy, we give it to army or Navy and they'll just play the next week and that game really won't count, you know, because the decision's already made. If that all happens in the first year, that's crazy. Incredibly fascinating. Yeah, it'll be fascinating. Now army and Navy can meet in the conference championship game. They can meet in the American Athletic. They don't play, obviously, in the regular season. They play in that second week of December, but they can meet in the conference championship game. And if they both finish undefeated, they will meet in the conference championship game. So the CFP will pick the winner if they are ranked ahead.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Of Boise, UNLV, some of the other G5 school. Those are the main two. Boise and UNLV are probably the. When in the G5 race. I'm guessing Boise and UNLV will be the teams that will threaten the winner if they are undefeated army and Navy on that at that American Athletic Conference championship to get the G5. But yeah, it would be wild, guys, that Army Navy could play for the American in the American Conference championship game. A day later, the CFP will pick the winner potentially to get the G5 AQ in the playoff. And then six days later, they play again in the official Army Navy game actually here in D.C. yeah, that would be crazy.

[Hank]

Yeah. So there's, there's a chance that Navy could win the conference championship. They get into the playoff, and then army beats Navy at the Army Navy game.

[Big Cat]

Bingo.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And wouldn't that be amazing?

[PFT Commenter]

And if you're rooting for ultimate chaos, you need it to be like, like Navy beats Army in a controversial ending in the conference championship game, then gets in and then army wipes the floor with Navy and the Army Navy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Without. Because we Saw that, that it's not really a loophole but the way the rules are written, there is a possibility for a group of five school to get one of the top four seeds. If it, if it shakes out like the big, the Big 12 doesn't have a great champion. We want to see army hosting a game like in the playoff at West Point. How cool would that be?

[Big Cat]

That would be. Yeah, that would be amazing if that does happen in West Point. Would be. Yeah, it would be like probably snowing right like 28 or something. It would, it would, it would be. It would be pretty awesome. In fact. I don't know about you guys but like the on campus first round college football playoff games. I don't know that I've ever been more excited for anything related to college football than those games. Like, like I'm super pumped. I'm gonna try to. They're. They play the third week of December, whatever December like 20th and 21st, those games are. And there's a Friday night game on campus and then there's three on that Saturday. I'm actually going to try to get to the one on Friday night and then the one on Saturday night. Trying to cover back to back because I'm like super pumped at on campus college football playoff games where college football should be played right on campus in stadiums.

[Hank]

It's going to be awesome. So let's talk about the Big Ten real quick. So Indiana undefeated. The haters will say they haven't played anybody. Are the haters right?

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean if you, if you look at it, Indiana's. Indiana's best win probably is at home against two loss Nebraska. Now Nebraska could end the season 10 and 2 or 9 and 3. They could. But I think that, that there is an argument to be made that Indiana basically hasn't played a top 35, 40 team in the country. Now that will change pretty, pretty soon, right? In a few weeks they'll get Ohio State. But if you look at their schedule guys, they might not play a team that finishes ranked in the top 25 except for Ohio State. So that would be trouble for them if they drop any other game. You know, as far as getting in that large bid into the cfp that would be trouble for Indiana if they drop. They're 10 and 2 in. In. You know, they have a strength of schedule that's. I don't remember what their strength of schedule is right now, but it's. Yeah, it's not really high and so they really need to go 111 probably to get. To get a CFP at large. So there is a look, I mean, there's. There's an argument to be made that they haven't, you know, they haven't played a very tough schedule. Just looking at their schedule strength, I found it finally. This is. This is Sagarin from Jeff Sagerin's rankings. They're 114th in their strength of schedule. So that's. That's an issue. It is, but they're beating the crap out of these teams. They're scoring a crapload of points and they're beating them really badly. So you got to think of that as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, in Bloomington. We were there. We did our show on. From Bloomington on, On Saturday and they all went into the game. So that was. They're pumped about India. Indiana has a great tailgate history. Sometimes they wouldn't go into the game. They're fired up and it's a fun, fun story. All right. Other other big picture things for this season. So I, I've heard you guys talk about this on your podcast. But. But the flattening out of college football with the NIL and transfer portal, it's great. It's great because you get. It feels like anyone could beat anyone at this point. And it's not just watching a sport where there are two or three teams that can conceivably win and no one else. Do you think this is going to continue the flattening out and this is going to be a college football going forward where there's more parity and it's a better sport when there's more parity, for sure.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's way more excitement when it's more parity, when you have underdogs able to pull out some things and win sometimes. I do think that while NIL in the transfer portal has grown the gaps between the power four and the group of five, because it definitely has. The data is there. It has, but I think it's made tighter the top 30 or 40 programs in the country because the talent from a transfer portal perspective is getting spread out. In NIL is now, you know, paying players is kind of legal. So now you don't have just a group, a small maybe group paying players. Everybody's paying players. Right. So it flat. It does flatten out the talent. And I think in the top 30 or 40, you're seeing that. You're seeing more parity up there, and I think you'll continue to see that now when we get into revenue share it, you know, in a lot of ways it's probably going to continue to Flat more flattened thing out and drive parity. Because now everybody will kind of have a budget right. Of expected to be annually in the low 20 millions of what they can distribute to their athletes every year, these schools. And you're going to see probably, I'm going to guess 40, 45 power conference teams of the 70, about 45 go all the way and be able to distribute the full amount right. To their athletes. And so it'll even more so you would think even things. Now that said, there still is outside nil money that will be generated especially in the big programs when you have big brands and big names, right. Like you know, Ohio State and Jeremiah Smith at a receiver, like he's going to generate outside nil income, right. It's not going to probably come from the school, it's going to come from actual real brands. So you're going to still have some of that. But the revenue share in the portal, all of this has guys, it's brought, it's brought the schools like Alabama and Texas A and M closer, right. You guys remember a couple years ago the, the spat, public spat between Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher? Well, if you want to know why, that's why. Right. It's brought the two closer because Texas A and M can now pay and is now paying in the transfer portal allows immediate eligibility. So players that set the bench in Alabama now want to place, they're going somewhere to play. So it has brought those closer together. What it has done though is further separate the Alabamas in the Louisiana Techs, right. Those two are more separated but the Alabamas and Texas A ms, the Alabamas and ole Misses are closer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So if you're a, if you're a five star quarterback junior year of high school and let's say it's the year 2032, right. And you're number one recruit in the entire country, what school is going to be able to pay you the most money directly and then what is your expected like actual income going to be just from the college?

[Big Cat]

Whoo. Okay, so this is 2032. Yeah.

[Hank]

Let's say like using today's dollars though, because you just said like the 20 million dollar figure. Like what is a, what is a five star quarterback going to be worth at a premier institution?

[Big Cat]

So you know there will be incremental automatic increases in how much schools can share with athletes every year, annually up until this settlement is complete, which is 2035. So by the time 2032 rolls around, if schools are paying, allowed to pay 22 million next year to all their athletes every year. By the time 2032 gets, that gets here, it's estimated that it'll be around 30 million. Right. So let's say each school has a budget of 30 million to spend on all their athletes. Right. And probably 20 million, maybe 22 million of that will be football. Right. So you got a budget of around 22 million dollar just for football in the year that you're talking about.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And if you're a big quarterback and you're highly rated and quarterback is the most sought after position, I'm guessing you're going to sign a deal with the school that's going to annually pay you, you know, close to 5 to 10% of that 22 million of your roster. So you're, you're looking at 2 to $3 million, I would imagine. Yes, that's what I would think is going to happen. I mean you have some of that today, not as much. You'll have more of it when schools are going to be able to pay, pay players directly. Now you asked what school can pay you more? Well, they all have the same budget, but you've got the bigger brand schools that in especially located in the bigger markets, they're going to be able to generate outside nil. That don't count against that cap. They won't. The money doesn't count against the budget. Yeah, it's, it's outside money. So the Ohio states, the Texas, all of the, all of the programs that are in big markets and that are big brands are going to have the advantage.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, real quick, I want to do hot seat rankings. So 1 to 10, I'm going to say a coach, you tell me how hot their seat is. 10 being the hottest. So Billy Napier would be a 10. He's basically fired. Although, you know, good win against Kentucky. But 10 for Billy Napier going off that Sam Pittman.

[Big Cat]

Seven.

[PFT Commenter]

Seven. Okay. What about Lincoln Riley?

[Big Cat]

Well, the problem with Lincoln Riley is his buyout is Jimbo Fisher type money.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

It's like 70 to 80 million. So if you factor in buyout, it's pretty low. I would think it's less than 5.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

But if the buyout wasn't there, obviously he'd be right there with Billy Napier. But the buyout has to, to, has to lower the number.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Brent Venables, they just gave him a.

[Big Cat]

New contract over the summer, which is crazy. Typical. Typical college football. Typical. It's typical. I think the excuse or the reasoning was going into the sec we had to get his salary comparable to all the other SEC coaches salaries. So they added a couple years to the contract. They gave him big race. I'm guessing a five because of that. It's only year three. I'm guessing more like a four or five.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

I love that. They're like, we, we need him to coach better, so we're going to pay him like a better coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then hopefully he'll live up to that money that he's getting. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What about Mike Norvell?

[Big Cat]

Well, another, another huge, huge buyout after a year of going undefeated in the regular season and winning the championship. Pretty low 3.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, what about, what about James Franklin after he loses to the Badgers on Saturday night? That's going to be big, right?

[Big Cat]

It's a big. That's a big game, man. That's a big game before a big game, too. I plan on covering the Penn State hosting Ohio State game in two weeks, but the Nittany Lions will have to get through Wisconsin. They are playing really well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So what would that think?

[Big Cat]

James Franklin's on the hot seat.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. I'm just saying. Hey, throw it out there. I'm just throwing out names.

[Hank]

That's gonna be a fun game for just running the damn ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Just so much run.

[Big Cat]

It is. You're missing one. One other name, you know, down in Baylor, David Miranda.

[PFT Commenter]

That's up there with. Yeah, yeah, named that. What? All right, Last one. Kellen DeBoer.

[Big Cat]

Oh, well, again, the buy. I think he, I think he signed a contract where, you know, whatever, 90% is guaranteed. So you're talking about like an 80 to 90 million dollar buyout. I don't think that's happening and I don't think that's happening after year one. You know what would happen in places like Alabama, in Ohio State, considering Ryan Day and the streak against Michigan. These coaches aren't going to get fired. They're going to turn the middle finger at the schools and say, I'm tired of dealing with this.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Started dealing with this crazy fan base. I win all these games.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

And you're still up my. You know what? Like I'm just. And they just go to the NFL, go to another job. We. We've seen it. We've seen it happen before. You know, we've seen it happen before. Lincoln Riley to usc, Brian Kelly to lsu. I mean, I, you know, so more so that they get fired is they leave on their own because of the situation.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What? Oh, Hugh Freeze. Feels like that's not going well. It's not here by the way, it's not Hugh Freeze, his fault. If you listen to Hugh Freeze, none of this is his fault.

[Big Cat]

Hugh needed to. I think we all, we all realize now, probably, and I'm sure Hugh does. He really needed to get a quarterback out of the portal. You know, I think at the start of the year, guys, this season, 60% of power conference teams started a transfer quarterback. It's just the way it is. And if you don't hit the market, if you got an average or below average quarterback, you got to hit the market and get a quarterback, and you got to be able to pay for a quarterback. I mean, some of these quarterbacks are, you know, 600,000, 800,000, 1.2 million. They're a lot, but they're being, you know, Miami, Texas A and M, Notre Dame, what? These programs that you see at the top of college football have transfer quarterbacks that they're paying a lot of money to. Where would Miami be without Cam Ward?

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

I mean, there's not 7 0.

[PFT Commenter]

No, definitely not.

[Hank]

Their defense is so bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're. They're never out of any game, so. All right. Specifically about the Florida opening, that to me, seems like that could be a really interesting one. And obviously Billy Napier is still the coach there, but presuming that he's not the coach there at the end of the season, who do you see? Who would. Who are the Gators going to be circling?

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, I think, you know, there's certainly a. There's a lot of buzz around Lane Kiffin, always at Ole Miss. Right. You hear Lane's name a lot. You hear Eli Drink, what's his name, quite a bit at Missouri, too. It's those kind of coaches that are at maybe a mid tier to lower tier power conference program that have done really well in that have familiarity probably with the sec. You know, I would. I would guess that those are two toward the top of the list. You know, if I'm, If I'm guessing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then on the Heisman front, we think that Travis Hunter is the best college football player in America.

[PFT Commenter]

It has nothing to do with the fact that we have 40 to 1 tickets.

[Hank]

Nothing to do with that.

[PFT Commenter]

Completely unbiased. Do you, do you have a Heisman vote?

[Big Cat]

I do.

[Hank]

You agree, then, the. Travis Hunter is the best. If we're talking about just the best football player. Right.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely. Yeah, good point.

[PFT Commenter]

Good point.

[Big Cat]

Good point, Ross.

[PFT Commenter]

We didn't bring it up.

[Big Cat]

Nobody's done what he's done on both sides of the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

That we've seen in 30 years. It's. Yeah, it's remarkable. Now, I tell you what, gentee Ashton Ginty, the Boise running back, is going to have a little bit of something to say. He's just tearing it up at an incredible level. And you know who else could have something to say? The guy we just talked about at.

[PFT Commenter]

Miami is Ashton Jente. That's the guy who plays at like one in the morning, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they use a kick over at.

[PFT Commenter]

11:00Pm Yeah, I mean, listen, we're, you know, the voters are long asleep.

[Hank]

He's the guy that couldn't beat Oregon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he couldn't beat Oregon.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that guy.

[PFT Commenter]

People are so mad at us. People are so mad at us because we bring up Travis Hunter on every podcast. But we've been very, very clear that it is, as we did this last year, Jaden Daniels, we. We basically, we bet on him like, like halfway through the season, and then we just pumped him up for the entire season. I don't think we have that type of influence, but every little bit helps.

[Big Cat]

You're rigging it. You guys are rigging the system.

[Hank]

Well, at the very least, I think it would be cool to see one of those two first players. Like, seeing it not go to a quarterback, I think is always going to be good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Travis Hunter deserves it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's a Heisman Trophy candidate at two different positions.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All you should do is win one Heisman. We'll settle for one Heisman.

[Big Cat]

I say all the time that Colorado has the three best players in the country. They have. They have one of the best quarterbacks in the country. They have one of the best cornerbacks in the country, and they have one of the best receivers in the country. One player responsible for two of those.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's two of the three best players in the entire nation. That's a good point. To put it. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, last question. Ross, this has been so much fun. We really appreciate it. Everyone do check out Ross's writing on Yahoo. He's going to Navy tomorrow to do a story on them. So that's going to be great. I'm excited to read that rollback question. Rhode promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rollback.com promo code. Take my last question. I was going to do the lame thing of saying, oh, who's going to be in the national title game and who's going to win? But let me do something a little less lame. Our good friend Coworker Brandon Walker. You're a Mississippi State guy, right?

[Big Cat]

I am a Mississippi State grad.

[PFT Commenter]

What does Mississippi State think of Brandon Walker?

[Big Cat]

I have no idea. How am I supposed to know that?

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I wish I could. I wish I could tell you. I don't think I've had a whole lot of conversations with folks at Mississippi State about Brandon Walker, but I'm sure they love the publicity, you know, the cowbell. Cowbell loves a little national publicity for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so next time you're back in Starkville, maybe just do a little straw poll. Yeah, okay.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'll do a little.

[PFT Commenter]

I want his Q rating. I want his Q rating. I think it's pretty high because he is like, he does. Mississippi State's not a flashy school and he reps them very, very hard. And he's a good friend of ours. But I would like to know his Q rating.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'll see if I can get that done for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

What do you personally think of Brandon Walker?

[Big Cat]

Well, I don't know Brandon that well. I think I've only met him a couple times. You know, I'll tell you this. He's. He's entertaining.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's got hot takes. He, he does college football right in. The fact that he. There's college football is essentially, especially online, is just a hornet's nest. And he just walks over every Saturday and he just kicks the hornet nest and he's just like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, then he runs away quickly.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

He gets upset like a day later. He's like, why is everybody being so mean to me on the world wide web?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. All right, well, Ross, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it and we'll, we'll definitely have you back on. This was fun.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, y'all good. Being on.

[Hank]

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[PFT Commenter]

And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He is a basketball trainer to some of the best players in the NBA. It is Chris Brickley. Chris, thank you for coming in, first of all. Second, I think the first question that everyone's going to wonder is like, dude, you're a basketball trainer and your last name is Brickley. That's got to be a problem, right?

[Chris Brickley]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Just get that out of the way right now.

[Chris Brickley]

No, for sure. I see it on social media all the time. Unfortunately, I couldn't control my last name. But now that's definitely a joke.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, it's like if. Have you thought about changing your name to Swishly or something?

[Chris Brickley]

That. That's actually a good idea. Yeah, no, I haven't, but maybe I should.

[Hank]

Yeah, you could just cashly Cash.

[Chris Brickley]

That's good, too. But, you know, Brickley's a rough. It's a rough last name.

[Big Cat]

For sure.

[Chris Brickley]

For sure.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very funny.

[Hank]

So who's got the. The sweetest, most pure shot that you've ever seen?

[Chris Brickley]

Man, I would have to go with probably Klay Thompson.

[PFT Commenter]

Really?

[Chris Brickley]

It's pretty. Pretty good shot. You know, Kevin Durant has a very good shot. Just all different. I mean, when Mello was in his prime, I feel like he was a really good shooter. Yeah, I've worked with a bunch of guys. I've been blessed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So what your backstory is, you played for Rick Patino at Louisville. Friend of ours.

[Chris Brickley]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Former foe, now friend.

[Chris Brickley]

Legend.

[PFT Commenter]

He came in here. Yeah, legend. So what, like, at what point did you realize that, like, I assume when you're playing basketball growing up, you're going to Louisville, you're like, I could go pro for sure. What point was that? Like, okay, maybe I'm not pro. Let's think about the next thing.

[Chris Brickley]

Yes, that was definitely the goal. I get there, I'm gonna walk on. So, you know, you're on my plan. Many minutes. I saw Coach Patino's lifestyle. He would drive Lexus. He had a Rolex. He. He lived a great life. I'm like, damn, my car. I want to do that. That. So the goal is to be a coach at first. So I was at Ole Miss for a year. I was the youngest Division 1 assistant coach at Fairleigh Dickinson. Then I was with the Knicks. I was with the Knicks for four seasons. Melo kind of took me under his wings. I want you to be my trainer. And that was when I was an intern. So it's kind of. It was crazy for the franchise player to pick an intern to be his trainer. And it all happened because first game of the year, Mello misses the game winner. Everyone's like, don't talk to him. Like, no one talks to him after. After situations like this. So everyone left the locker room, and I just went up to him and I just told him how I felt. He went into the office the next day, and he's like, I want him to be my trainer.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, what did you say to him?

[Chris Brickley]

I would know. I was like, don't worry about it. It's a good shot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

I was like, you weren't like, you.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta tuck your elbow in a little bit more or something?

[Chris Brickley]

Definitely not. I was like, it was a good man miss. This is a good shot. If it happened again, you would shoot the same shot. He liked. He liked that. And Kenny Atkinson, who? I don't know, he's been a head coach with a few teams. That was his assigned guy. And then, yeah, I became his trainer. And for four years, I traveled the world with them year round, and I met all these guys. And so when I left the Knicks, that kind of set me up to start a business.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

How do you know when to make a correction in a shot? Like, everybody has off nights, right?

[Chris Brickley]

For sure.

[Hank]

So you can't micromanage that and be like. Like, you know, he misses, like, I don't know, 10 shots one night. Hey, just so you know, you're doing this with your wrist. You have to wait, right? You have to wait until there's, like, a body of evidence where it's like, we need to fix this. So when is that?

[Chris Brickley]

I think if a player just in their workouts just aren't making shots. If you look at their field percentage and they're shooting, like 20%, then you have to make it. You have to make a change. Yeah, but you don't want. You don't want guys overthinking it. Most NBA guys, they don't need to make too much many changes, but there's some guys that need to make changes. Lonzo Ball is a guy that made a giant change in his shot a few years ago, so we'll see how that goes this year.

[Hank]

How do you know when it's mental as opposed to physical?

[Chris Brickley]

That's a great question.

[PFT Commenter]

Great question.

[Chris Brickley]

So mental. It's. It's. It's actually. You'd be surprised. Some of the biggest superstars that have ever played if you give me text mid season, like, I lost it. I don't got it anymore. And I'm like, bro, you're bugging. Like, you're so and so. Like you did. You haven't lost it. It's just up here. So, yeah, it's definitely a big mental game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So. So Mellow takes you under his wing and then you start training him. When did you open your gym? And I have a question about your gym that I hope is not offensive, but I do have a question about your gym. Yes, but when did you open it?

[Chris Brickley]

So when I first started training with Mello, they 10th anniversary with Jordan, they built him his own Jordan gym. It's called Terminal 23. I don't know if you remember that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

So I ran that successful. And then I moved to Lifetime. I ran that. The Wall Street Journal came out with an article saying one summer of my workouts, it raised the lifetime membership inquiries 40 across the country.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Chris Brickley]

So then we got reached out to by a company that a real estate company, and they said, we want you to design a gym. You can live in the building. And yeah, that's your gym. And so that's where I live.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a dream. So is that gym only for like NBA players or can other guys like our random guys playing?

[Chris Brickley]

If you live in the building, yeah, you can use it. But we. I have first dibs on when I want to use.

[PFT Commenter]

Are people in the building. Could they come down and just watch?

[Chris Brickley]

They do. So, you know, like, when LeBron's working out, there will be incredible guys on the treadmill running for like two hours.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So the question about the gym. And again, I hope this is an offensive no, but I have a theory that the rims are a little bit bigger at your gym because everyone makes everything.

[Chris Brickley]

No one misses. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

This started with Hoodie Mellow.

[Chris Brickley]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

When he was in the off season, it was just like, Mellow literally doesn't miss. Now you could probably tell Me. And this is. This is a real question. Like, this is just how these guys are wired that if they're not being defended, they're just never going to miss.

[Chris Brickley]

For sure. Your average NBA player, they're not missing much, but. But obviously, I mean, I'm not gonna put their misses. I'm not gonna put a string of misses every now and then. If you watch some of the videos, I'll do a string out. They might make 17 out of 20. So they might miss some shots. But no. Yeah. The joke is that no one's ever missed in the gym.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. It feels like the best gym ever. So when you got a guy like, can you explain to people? Because this was. This was my argument when we had the whole NFL, NBA player debate.

[Chris Brickley]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And I was like, listen, I understand that NFL players are incredible athletes. I'm not saying that they can't, like, do great things. I just don't think people understand that an NBA player, when they're in an open gym, they will just not miss. Like, they, like the worst guy on the bench, a big guy at the end of the bench can still shoot like 50, 60% from 3 with no one in his face.

[Chris Brickley]

Yes, for sure. For sure. I mean, guys that people just don't. Ben Simmons will go into the gym and he'll make 8 out of 10 threes with no one on them.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chris Brickley]

And, you know, it is what it is. An NBA player. You are very, very good. People don't understand that. Now. It changes when defense is on you and stuff like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. We have to talk about Ben Simmons as well, because he's your guy. Obviously, people.

[Hank]

I'm glad we brought that up because I was. I was going to say something about Ben Simmons. Now I know he's your guy. I will change my line of questions.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, it was just, you know, this is, I don't know, the fourth or fifth year where we're going into the season being like, Ben Simmons looked the best he's ever looked. Is that actually real that he looks the best he ever looks? We've been told that I can only.

[Chris Brickley]

So I just started working with him. He. So I worked with Jimmy for a few years. That was like, my guy. He moved over to Jimmy's agent. So Jimmy's agent was like, you should try working with Ben. So we just started working together last year. We worked during his injury. He came back from his injury. He had a triple double his first game. Last play of the game, pinned a shot broke his hand, was out for the season. So I think the work has been working. He just has to stay healthy.

[PFT Commenter]

You. I mean, this. If Ben Simmons has, like, an incredible rejuvenation year, it will be huge for you.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It will be like, are you watching these games? Like, obviously you're not rooting for a team, you're rooting for a guy. Are you watching these games being like, I'm living and dying with every Ben Simmons play?

[Chris Brickley]

For sure. I actually hate watching the games, the guys I work with, closely, because it's like, ah, Especially if I'm at a game, I've built, like, a platform where, like, some of the fans know who I work with. So I'll be there at the games. And if a guy I'm working with doesn't play good, I have like, a guy behind me like, yo, like Brickley, what the.

[Big Cat]

Sorry.

[Chris Brickley]

I don't know if he says literally, so especially Knicks games next. But yeah, it's interesting.

[Hank]

But yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're gonna be rooting for Ben. You're gonna be watching him closely this year. Some of the things I've heard about, like, that might be a mental thing that you're working with, too. I don't know exactly what you're talking with him about, but is there a way that you simulate pressure for your guys when they're shooting?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. So I think with Ben, So he was all star three years in a row, all NBA three years in a row. Without having a great shot. I think he can impact the game so many ways, whether through passing through, playing D, through pushing in transition, that some guys, you just don't need to be a shooter. You could still be. So Ben Simmons just needs to be healthy, period. If he's healthy, he's going to have a great season. It's that simple.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm still a believer in Ben Simmons. As crazy as it sounds, he's young.

[Chris Brickley]

He's still young. He's. He is full of energy. His body. He was injured, and right now he's at 100%.

[Hank]

Yeah. I've said for the last couple years that Ben Simmons would be one of the best players in the NBA if there was no basketball. If it was. It was like a court, like, he's got everything else. And if you can get his shot going.

[Chris Brickley]

Do you remember when he was. Do you remember his all star years, his rookie year? Yeah, he was fun to watch. Magic Johnson vibes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I was buying all the stock because it was like, there's. He's a game changer. You can't. You, like, he can guard Anyone. And very few people can guard him. Yeah.

[Hank]

So I remember a few years ago, probably like 20 years ago, actually, I think it was Rick Berry that was talking about Shaq and his foul shot and said he could get shaq to shoot 80% from the line if he would do the granny shot if you would go underhanded. But players don't want to do that. I think it's just a branding issue. You got to rename it. I was calling it the pimp grip for a while just because it sounds cooler. Is there something about the granny shot that's. That gives it a little bit better touch if you're not a great shooter?

[Chris Brickley]

You know, a player from Louisville, I think, did that last year, two years ago. So with that. That's interesting. I've never recommended that, but what do.

[PFT Commenter]

You think the reaction would be if you recommended it?

[Chris Brickley]

Probably wouldn't. I might get some backlash. I already get some. With Brickley being my last name.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

But no, I don't. I'll think about that.

[PFT Commenter]

The other one, I don't know if you've seen, but, like, I think it's in South Korea. They're all shooting it off the backboard.

[Chris Brickley]

Yes. I see throws. I seen that. It's crazy. No, it is. It is free. The free Fritos is definitely mental. That's something you could find a great shooter. And even in workouts when we're in the gym, they'll start missing Fritos. I'm like, you just made 85 out of 130rees, and why are you shooting 6 out of 10 from the free throw line? It's just like a mental thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So how many shots have you. How many free throws have you made in a row? Personally?

[Chris Brickley]

Me, personally. This is funny. I won the New Hampshire. I grew up in New Hampshire. This free throw shooting contest, when I was little, I made, like, I don't know, 50 something in a row. Got a. Got a trophy. It's cool. At the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Wait, so back to Louisville, and you're, you know, you're on Louisville with Pitino as a coach. We've heard about his legendary workouts. What was. What's the hardest one that he would make your. Because that's what I always loved about patino teams. They'd always feel like they never ran out of gas.

[Chris Brickley]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And their stamina was better than everyone else, for sure. So what was that like, the practices and.

[Chris Brickley]

So I was miserable. So to be honest, I was. My. My years at Louisville, I was miserable. I woke up Every morning, pissed because, like, I wasn't playing, but I was still having to do these ridiculously hard workouts. So in practice, he has this thing. If you turn the ball over, you go on the treadmill. Or if you mess up, you go on the treadmill. So we were number one in the country. So I'm in the second unit. So I'm playing against the number one press in the country. So I'm gonna turn the ball over, right? Turn the ball over. He says, go to the treadmill. So then I got to a point where it was like, I'm sick. You're turning the ball over too much, Chris. When you turn the ball over, you're gonna run outside and you're gonna hold the pizza. You're gonna hold the sign up, a Papa John sign, and say, like, hiring, Like, I'm looking for a job. And he tried to do that to, like, humiliate me so I wouldn't turn the ball over. So, yeah, that was some very interesting Coach Pitino moments. But it took me. I had to be removed, like, three or four years to be like, wow, he actually taught me a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Did you stop turning the ball over after you had to do the hiring?

[Chris Brickley]

No. We were the number one team in the country. I was going to turn it over regardless, for sure.

[Hank]

When he's put on that white suit, did you know that he meant business?

[Chris Brickley]

I did.

[Hank]

Seriously, I did.

[Chris Brickley]

That was. That was a dope night. That was a white. All the fans were wearing white. I think it was against Marquette. I want to say. Maybe Jimmy Butler was on that Marquette team. That was a dope night.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So. So we're. We're on the precipice of the season, and. And you know, you're training. I know you do in season training, but a lot of this stuff happens in the summer. The one thing I always love about the NBA is the best guys. It feels like they find one thing that they can get way better at in the summer.

[Chris Brickley]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you tell us one or two guys that you've trained that you're like, watch out for this part of his game?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. So Paulo Benchero for the Magic. He's coming off of his first All Star season. His shot. I feel like he's going to be a very good shooter this year. I think that'll change everything for him. I think that'll make him, you know, one of the. One of the best players in the league, for sure. Okay, that's one. Number two. Let's think of a player that's Changed? I don't know. I would. I'm just. I. I can't believe. It's just mind boggling to me that LeBron James is 39. Yeah. Still, like, dunking and still playing like he's 29. I. I just. I think he's gonna have a great season. He's coming off being MVP of the Olympics. That whole him and Bronny thing, I. I'm excited about that.

[PFT Commenter]

So did you train him at all this summer?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And is. Is he still trying to add things.

[Hank]

To his game free?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah, he's just. Yeah, he's trying. His shot continues to get better. If you look at the last, I don't know, three or four years, his three is getting better.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

And I think that's something that you need to do as you get older, you know, you need to develop a shot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And how much of that is, like, your direction versus. Does a player come in in the off season and say, hey, this is what I want? Or do you say, hey, I've watched your game. I think this is what we can add.

[Chris Brickley]

So how it is is they come in, they'll say, what do you think I need to work on? And then they'll tell me what they think we need. They need to work on. Depending on, like, if it's a star player, I'm not going to be like, no, I don't think so. But, you know, you have some delusional players that come in that might be like, the eighth man and might want to be like, I want to work on ISO moves. But it's like, well, you. You. You never in an ISO situation.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chris Brickley]

Why are we doing that? So it just depends on the player.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

So it's interesting because there's some players that have unorthodox shooting styles.

[Max]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But.

[Hank]

But, but they're effective.

[Chris Brickley]

Tyrese Halton, Halliburton's one.

[Hank]

If you want to go back, like Sean Marion, another guy that, like, nobody learns how to shoot like Shawn Marion. Right.

[Chris Brickley]

Sure.

[Hank]

But if it goes in, then it works. But if you're working with a guy that might have an unorthodox shooting style.

[Chris Brickley]

Yep.

[Hank]

And he might be in a little bit of a slump. How do you go about fixing that? Because, like, your mechanics that you normally teach might not apply to this guy for sure.

[Chris Brickley]

Again, it's just like a mental game. And with the shot. So I'm with the Knicks, and Phil Jackson gets the job, and he's literally brings in the head coach, fires him, brings in the assistant coach, fires him, he's firing the whole staff. So I call my dad. I'm like, just so you know, I'm about to get fired right now. Going to the interview with Phil and Phil's like, I have one question. You're a shooting coach, right? And I'm like, yeah. And he's like, tell me like, what do you need to be a good shooter? Do you need to like, is there one form? Do you need to hop into it? Do you need to step into it? It? And my answer was no. There's not one way to shoot as long as you have good rotation and you have a good follow through. He liked that answer and I was actually the only guy that he kept. Oh, wow. So that was so the whole shooting thing, just being open minded to it. Yeah, I think that's a big.

[PFT Commenter]

It feels like too with shooting. It's like, it's. Everyone can shoot a different way. The being able to repeat the motion too is big.

[Chris Brickley]

How do you, how do you feel about your shot?

[PFT Commenter]

Bad. It was. I actually, when we first opened this office, it was getting better. Yep. Because we had the shotgun. So I was getting like, you know, a couple hundred threes up a day. Yeah. But we've been with football and everything, I've. I haven't like shot in a long time.

[Chris Brickley]

Are you someone that needs to like see the ball, go in for a few workouts and then you'll shoot good the next day?

[PFT Commenter]

So I, you can maybe explain this to me. I. I don't know. I mean, I, I've played pickup for a long time. I always find if I don't play basketball for a while, my, my very first pickup game is incredible. And then it just goes off.

[Chris Brickley]

That's. That's definitely a thing. And that's a mental thing. So the fact that you're saying that so that. So yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like if I don't pick up a basketball for a couple months and I go play pickup, I make everything and then if I play the next day, I miss everything.

[Chris Brickley]

And so mentally. Okay, you telling yourself that is probably the reason I'm mentally weak.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

But no, but also that also shows that you can shoot in that. Some guys. It's amazing. I don't want to say. I'll say the guy's name. So. D'Angelo Russell one summer and he was with the Nets. We worked closely. We did three on court workouts the whole off season. That was it. And he was all star that year just because his mental was so strong, his confidence. So it's, it's Every player is different. There's no one right way to shoot. There's no one right way to work. It's interesting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

How big of a freak is a guy like Wimby? Because it feels like big guys, they grow up shooting. Now back in the day, it's like they. None of these guys had an outside shot. But Wimby in particular, given how unique his body frame is, for him to be that good at shooting, he feels like just an absolute freak.

[Chris Brickley]

Wemby is the future of the league. He's. I think he'll be MVP multiple times. He worked with Jamal Crawford closely this summer. That was his trainer. And Jamal was telling me, he's like, we've mastered the mellow footwork. We've mastered the Dirk footwork. We've mastered the. He goes to sleep every night at 8:30. He's like. He's like a machine. If he stays healthy, I think he'll be one of the greatest players that we've ever seen.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When did that happen? When big guys all got together and they said, you know, we're going to shoot too.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. Honestly, I think like around 20, 14, 15. I remember when. I don't know if you remember Ennis Canter.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

He was like a great big man. And then all of a sudden that was like no space for him in the league, along with some other things that. But it became like, if you can't shoot, you can't. There's no spot for you in the league.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

It was interesting. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What. How long did it take you to perfect teaching the Euro Step?

[Chris Brickley]

The Euro Step.

[PFT Commenter]

Because it's obviously somewhat new. I mean, it's been around for a while now.

[Chris Brickley]

You've seen it became such a big part of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. In the last 10 years, it's just everyone has to have one and has to be a leader.

[Chris Brickley]

I think working with James. I work with James closely for a few summers.

[PFT Commenter]

James Harden. Yep.

[Chris Brickley]

James Harden. He was in. That was like one of his things, like the Euro step, the side step, the step back. So he kind of. A lot of players, I learned stuff through and I. I definitely learned how to teach that through James.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

What about guys trying to get an edge every off season, try to figure out how the referees are calling the game, trying to figure out how to draw more fouls. Do they practice that?

[Chris Brickley]

The whole manipulating the refs thing so you know how they change the rules. So that hurt, you know, James Harden and that hurt Trey Young. They were getting to the free throw line 20 times a game by, you know, put. Throwing their body into the player. Then they change that rule.

[PFT Commenter]

You.

[Chris Brickley]

You can't do that anymore. So I think the rules have changed. So it's tougher for players to manipulate the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Which is probably better for the game, for sure. Yeah. How much do these guys train with you in the season?

[Chris Brickley]

So it will be like long home stretches. It'll be like times when they lose their confidence. They might hit me up like, yo, Chris, come to Chicago. I have no confidence.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to use this gym now.

[Chris Brickley]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Because next time you come, you got to come back and we got to do a video. I know we're, we're in transition right now for sure. Barstool. But we, we need to do a.

[Chris Brickley]

Content piece where I work, you guys. Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we're all the way in. So we got to do it this season.

[Chris Brickley]

Let's do it now. Give you guys a bunch of NBA drills and we'll see what we get.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that would be bad.

[Hank]

Just imagine, like, hypothetically a five foot eight and a half guy. Let's say he's 39 years old. His three point shot looks like he's never seen a basketball before.

[Chris Brickley]

Okay.

[Hank]

How long, how good do you think you could make that hypothetical person? If he had two months to just.

[Chris Brickley]

Work on a shot, I think I could do it. So I have a. I have a cool story. So J. Cole came up to me, me three years ago and he said, chris, this might sound crazy, but I want to be a pro basketball player.

[Hank]

It does sound crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

I'll give you three months and I'll trust in you every single day. He would put his kids to sleep, drive his bike to the gym at like 9pm for the first month. We only shot with one hand in the paint for a month straight, which, like, that's a different type. His mentality is different to do that. Month two, we put two hands on the ball and we only shot mid range. Month three, we started shooting threes. He actually signed a contract to play in like the NBA Africa League, played professionally in Canada, and he actually got a knockdown jump shot. So if you give me three months.

[Hank]

I didn't say me, I said, this is a hypothetical.

[PFT Commenter]

I might need to do this.

[Hank]

It's not me.

[PFT Commenter]

Three months and get my shot wet for sure.

[Hank]

How many hours would this, would this person have to put in per day?

[Chris Brickley]

An hour and a half a night? Five, about five days a week.

[PFT Commenter]

You could do that?

[Hank]

I think this person could probably do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This person could do that.

[Hank]

Whoever he or she is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Can you make anyone taller?

[Chris Brickley]

Maybe we could find some steroids.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, our guy here, Hank, he's trying to dunk.

[Chris Brickley]

How do, Hank?

[PFT Commenter]

Were you six feet?

[Max]

Six feet.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's. So we made a bet with him.

[Chris Brickley]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got a dunk by the end of the year. We made this bet, like, four months ago. He's been training really hard. You're 31. 31. He's been training really hard. He is six inches away from dunking right now.

[Chris Brickley]

I got something for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Chris Brickley]

Literally, this sounds so elementary. Get a jump rope and six days a week. Week. Do a thousand jump ropes sets at 250. I bet that if you do that. If you can do that for whatever, a few months, that you'll be able to dunk.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so if. If he dunks because of this, you're gonna have to pay for some of this. Because we have to pay him, I think, 10 grand each if he does and we're playing out of your pocket now.

[Chris Brickley]

Forget about that.

[PFT Commenter]

I shouldn't have asked for the advice.

[Hank]

But he's all.

[PFT Commenter]

He's all.

[Hank]

He's been training for, what, like, four months, Five months, but.

[Chris Brickley]

So what's your training consist of? Have you been lifting with your legs, Jumping?

[Max]

Yeah, a lot of legs. Plyometrics.

[PFT Commenter]

Plyometrics.

[Max]

I've got, like, an actual, you know, guy that's got a program that's built specifically for. For jumping.

[Chris Brickley]

But you guys remember growing up, those, like, jump. Those.

[PFT Commenter]

PFC has issues. Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

But then they're, like, tearing people's Achilles.

[PFT Commenter]

Right, Right.

[Hank]

That's why I had to hang those up. Yeah. I imagine that there is a lot of junk science in the basketball shooting industry. Right?

[Chris Brickley]

For sure.

[Hank]

Like, people that just don't know what they're talking about trying to do, like, an easy fix.

[Chris Brickley]

For sure.

[Hank]

So what's the craziest thing that you've seen?

[Chris Brickley]

The craziest thing that I've seen? I don't know. I've seen some trainers come up with this. Some weird. I. I don't know. There's been some weird stuff. Some trainers have, like, very weird.

[Hank]

What about hypnosis?

[Chris Brickley]

What's that?

[Hank]

Like, hypnotizing somebody, you know, like, you know what?

[Chris Brickley]

That actually could work with, like, some guy that's, like, mentally, like. Remember the whole Markel, Fulton.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

Like, thing. Someone like that, like, when he was in his, like, the whole mental. Maybe I'll add that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So you train LeBron's son, Bronnie. And Mellow's son.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Who. Which of the two is like, their game is most like their fathers?

[Chris Brickley]

Kyan Kay, Anthony.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

I think he might go to Syracuse, too. He's a top 30 player in the country. He's like 6, 6, 6, 7 now. I've seen him from like a little kid now He's. Now he's one of the top players in the country. He's going to be really good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. So who is. Who in the NBA has had the most improved shot that you've worked with?

[Chris Brickley]

Who's like, kind of went from one, I guess. Kind of a cool story with CJ McCollum. So I started working with CJ and he wasn't playing much for Portland. We worked a whole summer, and he became NBA's most improved player there. So that was like a cool, like, instant, like, you know, you could see it. Kawhi Leonard, we worked this summer. He wanted to learn Mellow's footwork. And after that, he got Finals MVP and kind of like broke out. So that's some cool stories where, you know, we put the work in and it showed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. How good of a shooter is lethal shooter?

[Chris Brickley]

Great shooter?

[PFT Commenter]

I. He just. Every video, he just.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah, no, he's a great shooter. I'm definitely. I'm a fan of his content. Content.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Do you guys. Do you have like a text chain with all the NBA trainers?

[Chris Brickley]

Nah, sorry, I don't. I'm not. A lot of NBA trainers are like haters to other trainers and stuff. I'm not that guy. I support I. Unless you're doing some, like, I support you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

And I support legal shooter, for sure.

[Hank]

Are there any. Any, like, turf wars between coaches and you and.

[Chris Brickley]

For sure. It used to be a lot just because, you know, I use social media. I'll post the workout. It's, you know, a few, like, maybe eight years ago, no one was doing that. And so I definitely got backlash. And, you know, some of the agents didn't like me, some of them. But now I've grown a brand that. That shows that it's worked. So I don't really get much that anymore. I have good relationships.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So your brand has gotten so crazy that you were in the last year's. Was it last year's NBA 2K?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. In my. In my gym.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. In your gym. Do you know that people were, like, mad at you about it? I found a comment online. It said, chris Brickley. All my homies hate Chris Brickley. This man, I wish I could punch his ass. In game, why is he a better defender than Prime Kawhi? Never doing the Brickley Weekly thing again, bro. AIs are crackheads in this game.

[Chris Brickley]

Actually seen that. That's actually hilarious. There's been the video game world, for sure. I piss a lot of people off sometimes. You can't get into my gym in.

[PFT Commenter]

The video game world.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah, it's like. It's. It's in. I'll be in the airport, and, like, the airport security guy will be like, man, like, they, like, give me a little attitude. It's interesting. That whole video game thing, that kind of changed my life. I didn't realize how many people play 2K.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

Crazy. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You ever walk around just doing the shooting motion, just, like, going down the sidewalks?

[Chris Brickley]

No, but in the house, I love. I'll be like, you know, fake dribbling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You got to cross someone up every now and then.

[Chris Brickley]

Gotcha.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Are you really good at beer pong?

[Chris Brickley]

I'm actually not that good. I'm not that good.

[PFT Commenter]

That's mental. I can fix that in a couple days.

[Chris Brickley]

So you could teach that?

[Hank]

I can fix that in 10 minutes. Just get a little bit drunk.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Have three or four beers. Yeah. That's the way to do it.

[Chris Brickley]

Let's do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

When I come train you guys, we also play a game of beer pong.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I want. I want to. I want you to train us and get our. All of our shots just wet.

[Chris Brickley]

We can do that.

[PFT Commenter]

We need that. We need that. All right, well, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate you coming by. I have one last question. It's a rollback question. Rhode promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. Who's the one player that you'd love to train that you haven't been able to? It could be. Actually. Could be someone retired, too, but who's the one guy? Steph. Okay.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. So I had. So about three years ago, Steph hit me, and it was the very end of the summer. I was done my runs. He was like, yo, Chris, can you put together a run for me? There wasn't enough NBA guys in the. In the city at the time. I couldn't do it, so that didn't work out. But since then, I want to see how good he is.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have guys that are not NBA guys, but, like, do you have in your phone that you can be like, hey, I need you to come play? Because Kawhi's in town?

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah. Like, I kind of like overseas guys. The guys that used to play.

[PFT Commenter]

I do.

[Chris Brickley]

I have a few. Few of those guys. But you never want too many of those guys to run who look crazy. But if I need, like, two guys to fill in.

[PFT Commenter]

Guys. Yeah, yeah. Do you ever let, like. Are you ever, like, one. One guy gets hurt and there's a guy on the treadmill at your building and you're like, hey, can you get in there?

[Chris Brickley]

Actually, literally, that just happened.

[PFT Commenter]

That's insane.

[Chris Brickley]

And it was a run that went super viral. It was like, Jalen Brunson versus Emmanuel quickly. Aaron Gordon, a bunch of NBA guys are playing. We only had 10 guys. Someone got hurt. We went and found a random guy working out, and we're like, yo, can you just play in this run for a little bit? And he played in the run.

[PFT Commenter]

And was he, like, terrible or was.

[Chris Brickley]

No, I told him he couldn't shoot.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay. That makes sense. I mean, that's a dream.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, being like, Yeah, I played pickup with Jalen Brunson, Emmanuel quickly, for sure. That's.

[Hank]

That guy's got to pull one, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

If he's open, it's like, they're disrespectful.

[Chris Brickley]

And I think he might have shot a shot or a layup.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you should have. You should have the Papa John side sign ready to go. When you bring. When that situation comes up, be like, hey, if you shoot a shot, you're going to go outside.

[Chris Brickley]

Coach Freestyle.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Coach Freestyle. Well, thank you so much, man.

[Chris Brickley]

Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Really appreciate it. It was awesome to have you on and. Yeah, we gotta. We gotta set it up.

[Chris Brickley]

I'll be back.

[PFT Commenter]

Give us a whole workout, 100.

[Hank]

I'm just gonna say I'm rooting for Ben Simmons this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I want to see what you can do.

[Chris Brickley]

I like to hear that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, it would be a great.

[Chris Brickley]

Comeback because the Internet is.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what. The Internet's a terrible, terrible place. Place tears everyone down. And hopefully, you know that. But they. But the Internet loves a comeback story. They do.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah, they do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So everyone will just all of a sudden be like, I was always a Ben Simmons fan.

[Chris Brickley]

Facts.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll just say I became a Ben Simmons fan. I'll be nice about it.

[Chris Brickley]

Yeah.

[Max]

I'll just lie. Yeah.

[Hank]

And say, I've always really.

[PFT Commenter]

I never went against him. Yeah.

[Chris Brickley]

That's what they do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Well, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it.

[Chris Brickley]

Thank you.

[Hank]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay, let's wrap up Guys on Chicks by the way, we got a big interview coming Friday. People are going to really like our interview on Friday. Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's going to be rad. It was a very fun dude to talk to. Also during that interview with Chris Brickley, if I was sounding flustered, that's the day that my El Camino broke down in traffic and I was like 20 minutes late.

[PFT Commenter]

That was. Yeah.

[Hank]

And I like sprinted in and then just sat down my chair. I was like, okay, interview.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they showed up and I was like, yeah, PFT's on his way. But his El Camino broke down like what? Yeah, but really cool guy. And we're gonna have him come back. So it was. The court was inoperable at the moment when he came. He's going to come back and we're going to do a training video with him. Yeah, he's going to get us wet. Guys on Chicks what athlete do you. I don't know.

[Max]

There's guys on chicks really. But what athlete do you guys think you have spent the most hours of your lifetime watching? For instance, for Max, it might be Jason Kelsey because of watching every Eagles game and his long tenure. But then you also have to factor in how many hours we've spent watching Brady and LeBron and their insane longevity and always playing in the big games.

[Hank]

I think it might be Brady or.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, like Manning or.

[Max]

Or Brady or LeBron.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, actually LeBron's probably the answer because of the time. Yeah.

[Max]

More games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. 20 years.

[Hank]

Every postseason.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's LeBron.

[Max]

David Ortiz is Probably up there.

[Eddie]

For me, I think it's got it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

It's got to be like a baseball player that you. That has been around for a long time because there's so many more baseball games than there are, I guess, basketball. But you're not watching every LeBron.

[Hank]

I'm not watching every baseball game either. Like a player on a team that I don't. I'm not invested in. Like, I'm not sitting and watching Mike.

[PFT Commenter]

Trout games, you know, think about how much LeBron you've probably watched. I mean, you've watched every playoff game he's ever been in.

[Hank]

True.

[PFT Commenter]

And he's been in a million playoff games. I think it might be LeBron most watched athlete.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Tiger woods sneaky up there, though. Hours.

[Hank]

No, but he doesn't play enough. Yeah, yeah, I think. I think LeBron is. Yeah, LeBron Brady is probably up there too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's probably that Mahomes, if he plays for a long time. Just because you can now, like watch every game no matter what.

[Eddie]

But there's probably.

[Max]

Yeah, mine's probably ortiz. Ortiz was 2004-2000.

[PFT Commenter]

But LeBron has just been around for so goddamn long. It's crazy. Like, I. How many playoff games is LeBron played in?

[Hank]

Let's see. Probably. I'm gonna guess what.

[PFT Commenter]

98, 287 playoff games. It's LeBron.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's an insane amount of playoffs.

[Hank]

Is that like four seasons worth of playoffs?

[PFT Commenter]

You've been watching every single one. Like, you. There might be a couple that you missed, but for the most part. You watched every LeBron playoff game.

[Max]

Yeah, I came home from a trip and there are bite marks on my good cheese. Like two giant bite marks. I asked and he said he didn't want the dishes. Is this normal behavior?

[PFT Commenter]

Is this a guys on dogs?

[Hank]

It sounds like a mouse. No, I think she's saying she. She left the house, went on a trip, came back, and then her boyfriend or husband ate the cheese but didn't cut it with a knife. Yeah. What do you expect?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, I. I mean, I would actually expect cutting with a knife because I just do the paper towel move where I just make a plate with a paper towel.

[Hank]

Yeah, but sometimes you just open up the fridge and there's cheese in there, and then you're just like, I'll take it. Just quick nibble.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you think he ate the cheese, then put a cracker in his mouth. I'll do that. Some.

[Hank]

Made it combined. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Make a sandwich in your mouth.

[Hank]

Made his own ritz. Bits.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

This mode is gonna take a bite.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Sometimes you gotta take. If it's good cheese, you gotta do it.

[Max]

I don't understand. You leave a bite mark. Like, did he. Did he sink his teeth?

[PFT Commenter]

That is savage behavior.

[Max]

You have to, like, you should be able to get a clean right. To make it look like you cut it.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I do the rip. Like if we have banana bread, I rip it and then I'll come back and. And cover my track.

[Hank]

Yeah, that is. I think the smartest move is to go in and just break the. The, like triangle corner off the cheese with your fingers. Your finger and your thumb. And then you just pop that in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. The bite marks. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a savage.

[Max]

I was working in the hospital on Sunday and decided I wanted to make soup for dinner. I instacarted everything I needed to be delivered. I come home later to find out my husband is mad at me for dumping all those groceries on me to carry upstairs and put away without asking me first. His reasoning is that his football Sunday and he also wanted the flexibility to take a nap without having to get up sitting outside. My husband is ridiculous, right? We're currently trying for our first baby. Won't he have to temper his Sunday expectations a little when we have our baby? Thanks, guys.

[Hank]

I love this guy because his wife is possibly pregnant.

[Max]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Max]

There's a follow up. Oh, man. These. They're fighting.

[PFT Commenter]

I love this. Hey, fellas.

[Max]

This is the husband from the grocery store. To be clear, it was three heavy bags of 20 items, plus a case of water bottles. Just saying, love the show and my marriage.

[Hank]

Okay, all right, so. So I love this guy because, number one, his wife, she might be pregnant. Number two, she's working at a hospital, like, saving people's lives during the day. Number three, ordered ingredients from a grocery store so she can come home and make him soup. And he just wants to sit on the couch and watch football. He's like, I have to take these groceries up the stairs. She ruined my Sunday.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna side with the wife here and let me just explain it in a football analogy, because this guy is a football guy. You got to take the easy check down every now and then. There's certain things that if you had just done five minutes of putting the groceries away, you're a hero. You took the easy pass. Just get a completion and don't have them come home and be like, what the hell is this?

[Hank]

I would say you're you're like Harrison Bucker. Not in the way of him talking about women, but in the way of. Of you're mad at Patrick Mahomes for not getting the ball on the hash mark, that you like it for a Super bowl winning kick.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The easy completions are all around us. You just got to keep picking them up. Take out the trash before you ask to. Yeah, clean the dishes. If there's a couple dishes in there, just clean them up. Easy completions make you an elite quarterback.

[Hank]

That's actually one of my favorite moves. If you're ever at, like, a significant other's house and maybe it's your first or second time being a around the family, Go in the kitchen, take the trash bag out, take it out to the trash can without being asked, and everyone's like, wow, this is you. You married a hero.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's the long time, like, Thanksgiving morning, I always talk about. I always preach to everyone because, you know, you're going to want to watch football and sit on the couch and get drunk and eat. Thanksgiving morning, find one thing that is like, I'll go get ice or I'll go do this. Oh, we got to pick up the pies. Just do the one thing that everyone like. Oh, he went and did that. Check mark and announce it too. Make sure everyone knows that you did that.

[Hank]

Hanks winding up for breaking moves right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Breaking moves. Yeah.

[Max]

We can end on this unfortunate breaking moves. Banner night for the Celtics. Meanwhile, Joel Embiid and Paul George are out for the opener versus Bucks on Wednesday.

[PFT Commenter]

Load management.

[Hank]

I like it.

[Max]

Embiid is progressing well and ramping up scrimmage in this week. He will not play this week. Jordan will be reevaluated later in the week.

[Hank]

He's fine. This sounds fine.

[Eddie]

It's. It's October basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have anything?

[Eddie]

Who gives a fuck about October basketball?

[Max]

Do you have any excited for tonight?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You're a loser.

[Max]

It's literally banner.

[Eddie]

Figuratively.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have anything to say, Max, about literally Jared McCain bothering everyone with his vlogging?

[Eddie]

That was funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Did you guys see that? Turn that off.

[Eddie]

I mean, that's just. That's just like vet rookie, you know, just back jabs, back and forth. Let the new guy do his little tick tocks, and the old guy's gonna be mad about it.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's fun stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Fun stuff.

[Eddie]

I love that. No, that was. That was fun.

[PFT Commenter]

That was fun stuff.

[Hank]

But we're not concerned about Embiid and Paul George being out.

[Eddie]

No. It's fucking October.

[Hank]

Okay. Who gives a. Is it a good omen or a bad?

[PFT Commenter]

Would you rather than play?

[Eddie]

I don't care. Yes, I would rather them play.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so then. Okay. It matters a little.

[Eddie]

It matters maybe like 1%.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

I don't.

[Eddie]

I don't know what the percentage is of. But it's 1%.

[PFT Commenter]

1% of something.

[Hank]

It's usually 100.

[Eddie]

My brain.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Would prefer them to play.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I guess I won't watch that game now on Wednesday.

[Hank]

Damn, you sound like.

[Eddie]

Actually, yes, I will.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you will.

[Eddie]

Maxi will go off. Maxi will go for like 50.

[Big Cat]

Yabu.

[PFT Commenter]

Jared McCain.

[Eddie]

Jared McCain.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to watch it. It's. You got to watch it because then it's like watching a hard knocks preseason game. You're going to get to watch the. The Vlog later. Right behind the scenes.

[Eddie]

And Andre. Andre Drummond, great backup. Backup center.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, not as good as be ball Paul.

[Eddie]

I love B ball Paul, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, don't say anything about B ball Paul. All right. Good show, boys. Hank, have fun.

[Hank]

Yeah, you're a little joy fest tonight.

[PFT Commenter]

The one word you can't use for banner night is calling Hank a loser.

[Eddie]

But Hank, I mean, he is a loser.

[Hank]

No, I mean, objectively speaking, Hank is the biggest winner on this show.

[Eddie]

Not in the literal sense. Yes, in the other sense.

[Hank]

What's the other sense?

[Eddie]

I don't know.

[Hank]

What are you trying to say?

[Eddie]

That Hank's the worst.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, agreed.

[Hank]

They agreed. Say that.

[PFT Commenter]

You should have said that.

[Max]

Probably I'm the worst because I win.

[Hank]

Yeah, partially.

[Max]

That's why you think I'm the worst. If I was a loser, you'd feel bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Numbers.

[Max]

Oh, Hank's a good guy. Numbers like you. That's what they say about you. Like, oh, Max, love him.

[Hank]

Great guy.

[Max]

3, 18, 5.

[Hank]

Great sports. Even better human being. 17 memes.

[PFT Commenter]

I gave you a pause there.

[Hank]

Yeah, you could have said 3.

[PFT Commenter]

What Hank said about Max is funny. 99. Pug 21. What was your number? Pft. 5. 17. For memes. Memes and Pft have never gotten this.

[Max]

24.

[PFT Commenter]

24.

[Hank]

Love you guys. Sa.