Combine Week, Bears HC Ben Johnson, Max Is Back From Vacation And Joel Embiid Is Extremely Injured Plus Guys On Chicks

Summary

Pardon My Take - Episode Summary
Episode Title: Combine Week, Bears HC Ben Johnson, Max Is Back From Vacation And Joel Embiid Is Extremely Injured Plus Guys On Chicks
Release Date: February 26, 2025
Hosts: Angel Reese, Hank, Max
Guest: Ben Johnson (Chicago Bears Head Coach), Stephen Che

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1. Introduction to Combine Week

The episode kicks off live from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, highlighting the excitement and activities surrounding this pivotal week for football prospects.

• Angel Reese [03:43]: "Indianapolis, the most magical city in Indiana."

2. The Tush Push Debate

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the "tush push" play, its potential ban, and the implications for teams like the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills.

• Angel Reese [03:59]: "The Green Bay Packers are being salty."
• Max [05:20]: "I don't know why you would punish a team for just being better at one play than the rest of the league."

3. Quarterback Trades and Team Strategies

The hosts delve into the speculative trade movements involving prominent quarterbacks such as Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, and Aaron Rodgers. They discuss the potential impacts on teams like the New York Giants, Los Angeles teams, and the Denver Broncos.

• Hank [07:07]: "I think it's going to be Stafford in New York. I think it's going to be Aaron Rodgers in Los Angeles."

4. Joel Embiid's Injury Concerns

Max brings up alarming news about Joel Embiid's severe injury involving a meniscus replacement and potential hip surgery, sparking a conversation about Embiid's resilience and future in the NBA.

• Max [12:40]: "He wants to play. He's a competitor."
• Angel Reese [12:07]: "He should just retire."

5. Celebrity and Pop Culture Gossip

The conversation shifts to lighter topics, including discussions about Armie Hammer's return to acting amidst controversies and his family's history with the Arm & Hammer brand.

• Hank [25:08]: "Armie Hammer's grandfather was the CEO of Arm and Hammer."

6. Guys On Chicks: Relationship Queries

Stephen Che introduces the "Guys On Chicks" segment, presenting humorous and relatable relationship dilemmas sent in by listeners.

• Listener Question [35:50]: "Should I leave him now or marry this man?" concerning his boyfriend's unconventional underwear habits.

7. Exclusive Interview with Ben Johnson

The highlight of the episode is an in-depth interview with Ben Johnson, the new head coach of the Chicago Bears. Topics covered include:

• Ben Johnson's Coaching Philosophy:

  • Ben [55:15]: "I want to be remembered as Andy Reid-esque or Belichick-esque."

• Play Calling and Offensive Strategies:

  • Angel [51:07]: "What do you see in Caleb Williams and what excites you about coaching him?"
  • Ben [52:11]: "Our version of the triple option, the modern-day triple option."

• Transition to Head Coach Role:

  • Angel [74:35]: "How did you decide to take the Bears head coaching job?"
  • Ben [76:08]: "I knew I wanted to be a head coach this cycle, and Chicago felt like the right fit."

• Relationship with Former Coach Dan Campbell:

  • Ben [77:03]: "I've learned a ton from Dan Campbell."

• Fun Facts and Personal Insights:

  • Ben [63:54]: "Peak squat was probably like 455 pounds."

8. Closing Banter and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with the hosts sharing personal anecdotes about fitness routines and humorous exchanges about social media habits.

• Hank [84:25]: "It's like a bottomless coffee cup of tits."
• Angel Reese [85:18]: "You can't get mad at technology."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Angel Reese [03:43]: "Indianapolis, the most magical city in Indiana."
• Max [05:20]: "I don't know why you would punish a team for just being better at one play than the rest of the league."
• Ben Johnson [55:15]: "I want to be remembered as Andy Reid-esque or Belichick-esque."
• Hank [07:07]: "I think it's going to be Stafford in New York. I think it's going to be Aaron Rodgers in Los Angeles."
• Max [12:40]: "He wants to play. He's a competitor."

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Key Takeaways

• Tush Push Controversy: The potential ban of the tush push play is a hot topic, with implications for team strategies and game dynamics.

• Quarterback Movements: Speculation around major quarterbacks' trades could reshape team lineups and expectations for the upcoming seasons.

• Joel Embiid's Injury: Embiid's severe injury raises questions about his career longevity and the team's prospects.

• Ben Johnson's Vision: As the new head coach, Ben Johnson brings a modern approach to offense, emphasizing dynamic play-calling and strategic innovation.

• Humorous Segments: The "Guys On Chicks" segment adds a light-hearted touch, addressing common relationship issues with humor.

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This episode of "Pardon My Take" offers a blend of serious sports analysis, celebrity gossip, and comedic segments, providing listeners with comprehensive coverage of current sports events and entertaining banter from the hosts.

Transcript

[Angel Reese]

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[Ben Johnson]

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[Angel Reese]

On today's part of my take, we have Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson. We are live from the combine in Indie. We're going to do hot seat. Cool throw. Max is back from his fitness vacation. Great to have Max back.

[Max]

Thanks, Hank. Thank you, Hank.

[Angel Reese]

Talk a little combine, talk a little.

[Hank]

Can you talk with a Canadian accent from now on?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, yeah. Seriously?

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Angel Reese]

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[Hank]

The most magical city in Indiana.

[Angel Reese]

Yes.

[Hank]

Indianapolis.

[Angel Reese]

That's facts.

[Hank]

There's magic on these streets.

[Angel Reese]

Yes. So we have combine week. We have news coming out of the league. The tush push is being voted on to be banned, led by the Packers.

[Hank]

An unnamed team has requested that the NFL change the tush push rule. That unnamed team is the Green Bay Packers.

[Angel Reese]

The Green Bay packers are being salty.

[Hank]

They're being salty about it. And for the record, I'm. I'm against banning the tush push.

[Stephen Che]

This is the Ravens. It's. It's. It's John Harbaugh all over again.

[Angel Reese]

They.

[Hank]

Yeah, there's.

[Angel Reese]

You could stop the tush push.

[Hank]

You could try to stop it. Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

You could also stop them on first, second, or third down.

[Hank]

Or you could just try jumping over the line of scrimmage infinity times in a row to try to stop it. Keep the tush push but also allow teams to do that.

[Stephen Che]

I also feel like the Bills in the AFC Championship game, like, there's a pretty good, like, evidence against banning the tush push because it doesn't work.

[Hank]

The weird part about it is the Bills were the other team besides the Eagles that used that play the most this season.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it worked for him until the playoffs. Until it didn't, and then it didn't work. And now Sean McDermott is like, yeah, I think I'm in favor of banning the play now.

[Angel Reese]

Well, it's. It's just I. I saw someone being like, how do you stop this? It's like, well, don't let them get to fourth and two. Or fourth and one. That's a way to stop it.

[Hank]

How do you stop it? Hit the weight room.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Max what do you think about people trying to ban the tush push loser mentality?

[Max]

They're all a bunch of. The Eagles are the best at it. They work on it a lot. They practice it a lot. They have the right guys to do it. I don't know why you would punish a team for just being better at one play than the rest of the league.

[Angel Reese]

Well said.

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, they. They banned the slam dunk when Kareem Abdul Jabbar was throwing it down too much.

[Angel Reese]

That's true.

[Hank]

So maybe they'll bring it back.

[Angel Reese]

I don't. I think it's stupid. I think it sets a bad precedent of being like, we. We have to bet. Maybe. The only thing I would say is if you would want to ban being able to push players from behind, because that. That was the rule for a while.

[Hank]

So you. Yeah, but you're talking about just let them do normal quarterback sneaks. But yet.

[Angel Reese]

Normal, correct sneaks. Yeah.

[Hank]

The rule for a while was that you weren't allowed to assist a ball carrier. You can have like a lineman or tight end grab somebody and push them forward.

[Angel Reese]

Right.

[Hank]

Like the. The Matt Liner. Reggie Bush.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That would have been illegal at one point. They took that out because they said it was too hard to officiate. I don't think it's that hard to officiate.

[Angel Reese]

I don't think so either.

[Hank]

If you clearly see it, then you can call it. But.

[Angel Reese]

And I think it would actually. I think the Eagles would still be able to do it even without the push. Like, I think that their. Their offensive line is that good. And Jalen hurts is that good that they would still be able to do it.

[Hank]

And I'm in a great spot here because I'm firmly saying that I'm anti banning the tush push, but I'm also going to be really, really happy when they do decide to ban it.

[Angel Reese]

Do you think they're going to ban it?

[Hank]

I think they might. I think they might.

[Max]

They did this last year, too. They do this.

[Angel Reese]

Never win the super bowl last year.

[Hank]

There's more.

[Angel Reese]

They don't.

[Hank]

They don't ban nobody.

[Angel Reese]

Different. We also have Matthew Stafford looking for $50 million somewhere.

[Hank]

Me, too.

[Angel Reese]

We all are. Yeah.

[Hank]

Kirk Cousins found $50 million to be a backup.

[Angel Reese]

That's true. He's more likely to probably get paid $50 million than any of us. But where. Where is he gonna go?

[Hank]

I think the Giants.

[Angel Reese]

One of the Steelers?

[Hank]

That'd be. That'd be fun.

[Angel Reese]

Is that Aaron Rodgers?

[Hank]

I'm thinking if. If we're Doing quarterback musical chairs this offseason. I think it's going to be Stafford in New York. I think it's going to be Aaron Rodgers. Los Angeles.

[Angel Reese]

I think it's Sam Darnold, Los Angeles, Stafford, New York, Rogers, Vikings Rogers. Probably the Steelers or the Titans.

[Hank]

I don't know. How do you think Mike Tomlin would enjoy? I think Mike Tomlin, he does like having personalities to juggle on his team.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

At this point, we can say that Mike Ty. He's done a very good job in the past of having some absolute psychos on his team. Now it's to the point where I think he actually enjoys it. He gets off on it.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. He needs it to get out of bed. It's too bad that the Colts seem like they're done with getting old quarterbacks, because that used to be, like, they just took a job. Like, jobs are being taken away all across America. That's. The Colts have done that with old quarterbacks.

[Hank]

Yeah. I feel like that would have been the logical Kirk Cousins swan song.

[Angel Reese]

It could have been Stafford, Kirk Cousins or Rogers.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

So, like, come on. Come on, Ballard. You know you want to. You know you want to stop gap, right? Do it, dude.

[Hank]

So as it stands right now, Kirk Cousins, they've said that he's not going to be traded or anything. He's going to be a $50 million backup. On the Falcons.

[Angel Reese]

On the Falcons.

[Hank]

Congratulations to Kirk Cousins.

[Angel Reese]

What a move.

[Hank]

$100 million guaranteed. Signed last offseason. Then they ended up drafting his replacement. Then he got hurt. Allegedly. Then Penck just took his job.

[Angel Reese]

That's incredible.

[Hank]

$100 million. Not work.

[Angel Reese]

That is.

[Hank]

That's the American dream. But the Falcons also said that they were never informed of any injury from Kirk Cousins.

[Angel Reese]

What do you mean?

[Hank]

During the. So after the season was over, Kirk's camp let leak out there.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Was dealing with a bunch of, like, shoulder, elbow.

[Angel Reese]

Got it.

[Hank]

Things like that. The Falcons are like, this is the first we've heard of it.

[Angel Reese]

I think it was just that he's old and had an Achilles injury.

[Hank]

He might be old and that's.

[Angel Reese]

It's hard to come. I mean, we're talking about two guys, Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins, who are both old and had an Achilles injuries, and they weren't totally themselves afterwards.

[Hank]

Aaron Rodgers, top five quarterback.

[Angel Reese]

That's true. Top five quarterback for sure. Also Miles Garrett. The Browns have no plan on trading him, which I feel like they have to say. They just have to go through the motions of saying this, and then someone's going to make them an offer they can't refuse and then they'll trade him.

[Hank]

It sounds like maybe the birds.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. We also had the. The GM for the Ravens said that Justin Tucker allegations are concerning. I'd agree.

[Hank]

They're.

[Angel Reese]

They're real. That is concerning.

[Hank]

They're waiting for the facts to come out.

[Angel Reese]

That's concerning.

[Hank]

So if true. That he allegedly.

[Stephen Che]

Nothing on the. The Steve Smith ban thing?

[Hank]

No. That's not concerning.

[Stephen Che]

No. No statement.

[Angel Reese]

No, I don't think so. I think they probably were like, listen to. Pardon my take on Monday. They covered it for 45 minutes. More than enough on it.

[Hank]

Yeah. I mean, in a perverse way, this is probably the best team that the Steve Smith thing could have happened to because they've got bigger fish to fry up.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

But, yeah, he's not going to be the biggest pervert on the team.

[Angel Reese]

I mean, Justin Zucker, he's. He's not gonna play again, is he? Yes.

[Stephen Che]

It's the NFL.

[Hank]

We're waiting for all the fast.

[Angel Reese]

We're waiting for all the fast.

[Stephen Che]

Are you kidding me?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When we said he was washed, we didn't know that it was a table shower.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Also we had. We had Aaron Glenn said players upset over Aaron Rodgers decision. What's. What's going on there? Memes. Players are upset that they got rid of Aaron Rodgers.

[Hank]

Which players.

[Angel Reese]

Posted a thumbs down emoji on X when word of the teams. That is such a 2025 story. Like, hey, new coach, can you please address the fact that one of your players did a thumbs down emoji? Yeah, he did thumbs down and he. He talked to Quinn Williams and they're going to keep that conversation in house. Okay. But the thumbs down was not in house. The thumbs down got out. The thumbs down got out of house.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Sometimes you just tweet thumbs down. You don't know what it's about.

[Hank]

I don't think you know what the meaning of in house is.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. That's the most not in house thumbs down I've ever seen. It was reactionary.

[Hank]

Like, if it was in house, he would have posted that to Slack.

[Angel Reese]

Right. Or he would have gone private. Or he would have done it just in a DM to a random person. Or he just would have walked around his house just going like this.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's in house.

[Angel Reese]

If he just walked around his apartment just being like. And his, like, wife or girlfriend's like, what are you doing? Like, can't even talk about it.

[Hank]

Upset about a rod.

[Angel Reese]

Can't even talk about It. I'm just thumbs downing. Yeah, it's in house now.

[Hank]

Speaking of a rod, he might. He might get leagued.

[Angel Reese]

What?

[Hank]

You see his half court shot?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, court shot. It's pretty much now for 10k. For a kid. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

[Hank]

Sign him up.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

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[Angel Reese]

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[Hank]

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[Angel Reese]

Bottom line, these are seriously comfortable work boots and workwear that do the job so you can do yours. All right. Speaking of the league, the association. Max, you are back. I know we talked about it briefly on Monday's show, but new reports came out that Joel Embiid could undergo a meniscus replacement procedure. Or a procedure where doctors break a bone in the hip to realign the joint and alleviate pressure. He should just retire.

[Max]

Disagree. He wants to play. He's a competitor.

[Angel Reese]

He's gonna.

[Max]

He's got to do whatever it takes to get healthy.

[Hank]

Which. Which would you prefer? Your star player have a meniscus procedure or that they break a bone in his hip to alleviate knee pain?

[Stephen Che]

That sounds horrible.

[Max]

Yeah, sounds better. But who knows? This could be some groundbreaking. We've seen the meniscus surgery before and he still gets hurt.

[Hank]

No, but this one was called radical radical meniscus.

[Max]

So what does that even mean?

[Hank]

His recovery's on a skateboard?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah. He's got. He's got to wear some stussy. The same sixer who made orbital bone fracture and navicular bone fracture. Common phrases in Philadelphia sports lexicon. He's had two of each. He had two of each of those. Damn. Might soon add one of these. Meniscus replacement low dose radiation therapy. Or even the ominous sounding osteotomy. Osteotomy, in which doctors break a bone in the hip to realign the joint to alleviate pressure. One source called the procedures radical in light of the mundane injury and surgery that brought Embiid to this point. For some reason, what should have been a routine rehab and routine return to play has gone horribly wrong.

[Ben Johnson]

Oof.

[Angel Reese]

Oof.

[Max]

Correct. I don't know.

[Angel Reese]

That's something to say.

[Hank]

Yeah. Breaking a. Breaking a bone to alleviate a different set of pain that you're having. Sounds. It sounds like radical.

[Angel Reese]

Sounds radical.

[Hank]

Either radical or it sounds like something you would do in the 1800s. Like a civil War injury. Oh, you got shot in your, in your pelvis. No worries. We're just going to take a sledgehammer to your foot. That way you won't feel your.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, you're a witch. Let's just break your bone, your hip real quick and see if you can survive.

[Max]

You guys aren't doctors. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Angel Reese]

I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe it'll help.

[Hank]

We'll break. We'll break your hip. If your knee recovers, it means you're a witch and we have to kill you.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah. If you. We're going to break your hip, and if you can still drop 20 and 10, then you're a witch. Yeah, I don't know what you want me to.

[Stephen Che]

How are you feeling, Max?

[Max]

Huh?

[Stephen Che]

How fit are you feeling?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. How was the fitness vacation?

[Max]

Fitness vacation was good.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Max]

I'm, I'm pretty tired.

[Stephen Che]

Any yard sales?

[Max]

I don't know what that means.

[Stephen Che]

It's when you fall and all of your equipment goes everywhere.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Stephen Che]

And there's one time.

[Max]

There was at one point, I accidentally went down a black, like a. And pause.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Max]

A black. I went down a black diamond. I fell almost immediately, and then I couldn't get my ski back on because the mountain was so steep, so I just like went down stomach first like a penguin. I was sledding on my stomach.

[Stephen Che]

Your skis weren't even attached.

[Max]

So I was holding them and then I dropped them because I was going so fast. And some nice fellow behind me got them for me and brought them down to the bottom of the mountain.

[Angel Reese]

How was the snow?

[Max]

It was okay. It was warm. It was like people were there. People were skiing with their shirts off. Not me. The best it was. It was real.

[Angel Reese]

It was.

[Max]

It was like 50s, little slushy.

[Hank]

Good powder.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Nice.

[Max]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Angel Reese]

Love that for you.

[Max]

Yeah, No, I had a good time.

[Angel Reese]

Your vacation. I feel fit on non vacation week.

[Hank]

Do you miss vacation hat tip vacation one week?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, it was a double vacation.

[Stephen Che]

I might do that next.

[Max]

I work when you guys do vacation week. You did on what you want podcast. Yeah, we don't miss any shows.

[Angel Reese]

That's true. That's a good point.

[Hank]

Thank you for your service, man.

[Angel Reese]

Good point. Thank you.

[Max]

Thank you.

[Angel Reese]

Are you worried. Are you worried about oldie at all?

[Max]

Am I what?

[Angel Reese]

Worried about oldie.

[Max]

I, I. No, I don't Memes on all the captions. He just kept saying new producer family members reaching out to me, be asking if I got replaced.

[Angel Reese]

Sounds like you're not worried at all.

[Max]

I wasn't worried until Meme just kept saying new producer.

[Hank]

Yeah, no, he had. He had the X factor.

[Max]

Odie's great. He's a great character. I want him. Agreed to be a part of this show. Agreed very much. Going forward. I just don't want him to take my job.

[Hank]

X Factor, though.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

Maybe switch him to Social.

[Max]

What?

[Hank]

Oh, yeah, Good point.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, he could do some memes.

[Hank]

I'd love to see Oldies signing memes. I bet he'd be great at it.

[Angel Reese]

That's a good point.

[Stephen Che]

We should give him the account and have him sign his name.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, let's give him a run through.

[Hank]

Max, do you want Miles Garrett?

[Max]

Of course I want Miles Garrett.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Angel Reese]

How bad do you want him as.

[Max]

As bad as Howie Roseman wants them. That's my answer.

[Stephen Che]

Would you rather have the Tush Push or Miles Garrett?

[Max]

Miles Garrett. We would just sneak it.

[Angel Reese]

Would you go down on another black Black?

[Max]

I went down to Black Diamond.

[Stephen Che]

I fell down another Black diamond for Miles Garrett.

[Max]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Max]

I would. Yeah, I would go double. I would go double black.

[Angel Reese]

Double black diamond. You. You don't ski?

[Hank]

I don't know.

[Angel Reese]

So you wouldn't even.

[Hank]

I don't know how to think about it. I don't know how to do that.

[Angel Reese]

Sounds like he wants Garrett.

[Hank]

I mean, this is what was concerned to me about the report. It was that the commanders are looking to make a strong offer, but if they do, the Eagles are set to make an offer that he can't refuse, which sounds. It sounds like Big Dom is like, no, I'm gonna leave a horse head in.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, that's Big Dom. This is noise for life.

[Hank]

This is why I'm. I'm terrified of having Big Dom in the division, because he can make trades like that happen.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Okay. Did we miss any other stories? Anything else going on Combine Week? Anything important? I don't think so. We got Hot Seat, Cool Throne, then Ben Johnson, then Guys on Chicks. Combine Week. Memes is getting Memes. I think Memes is getting a little extra zesty right now because he knows he's got Rossini coming up tomorrow.

[Hank]

He's fired up.

[Angel Reese]

He's getting. He's getting his reps in.

[Hank]

Although he did apparently see Rossini today and didn't say anything. Just kind of swallowed his mic.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, no.

[Stephen Che]

He probably tweeted something like that.

[Hank]

Yeah. I've been told that Meme saw her, made eye contact, and then did not say a single word.

[Angel Reese]

I said hello, and then Then I didn't say a word.

[Stephen Che]

What did she say?

[Angel Reese]

She said, oh, hey guys.

[Stephen Che]

Hug.

[Angel Reese]

No, she gave Max a hug. Memes. When she comes by tomorrow, you should just thumbs down her the whole time. Just keep your thumbs down the whole time. I'm in. Keep it in house. Okay, let's kick it to ourselves. Hot Seat, Cool Throne. Then Bears head coach Ben Johnson. Then guys on chicks. Okay, let's get to Hot seat, Cool Throne. Presented by Chevy. Chevy has packed more capability into the Silverado Trail Boss so that you can pack more fun into your weekend. Have yourself a Friday, Saturday and Sunday with the truck that says no to nothing. Tailgates, spontaneous camping trips, DIY projects. Bring it on. What about a cross country road trip? Silverado was the perfect ride for last year's Grit Week out west. Recently they helped us give fullbacks recognition they deserve with the Low man award. The Silverado Trail Boss is built like a fullback. We're talking £495. A foot of torque. Hold on to your sodas, Max. Plus the trail boss gives you an extra 2 inch lift, so maybe Hank can finally dunk. Silverado brings the grit, then pairs it with all the latest truck tech inside and out. The result? A truck that can do it all. Then show up Monday with a story to tell. So learn more about the silverado trail boss. Chevy.com Chevrolet together. Let's drive. We're also brought to you by our friends at Truly. Truly Unruly is the first high ABV hard seltzer that actually tastes good. Truly Unruly is a hard seltzer that brings breaks all the rules. Drink light, parties hard with 8% ABV. It hits hard but still tastes amazing. Comes in fresh. 4 fresh flavors. Tropical Twist Berry Blast, Citrus Crush. Strawberry Smash. I am a Strawberry Smash guy. Pftura.

[Hank]

I like the Berry Blast.

[Angel Reese]

Berry Blast. Hank, you're a tropical twist guy. Max's Citrus Crush. So we got a flavor for everyone. It is great. 8% ABV. It's starting to get warm out. It's like 50 degrees in Chicago and Indy this week. Feeling good. Get back out on the golf course. It's going to be the summer of Truly and we're going to get unruly. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Find Truly Unruly at a store near you or visit www.trulyhardseltzer.com that's truly hard seltzer.com truly unruly. The official the official hard seltzer of pardon my take. 8% ABV and tastes delicious. We love Truly. So go get a Truly now. Going to be a great summer. We're going to get unruly with Truly.

[Stephen Che]

Hell yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Hank, Hot seat. Cool throne.

[Stephen Che]

My hot seat are planes.

[Hank]

Why?

[Stephen Che]

There was another. Although I guess maybe they're on the cool Throne cuz, you know, everyone's freaking out about planes. Planes are crashing. What's going on with all the planes? Today at Midway Airport in Chicago, a Southwest plane was coming down to land. It basically got to the ground and then it had to pull back up because there was a private jet like a hundred feet in front of him that if it had landed, it would have just went straight into it.

[Hank]

Runway incursion.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah. Another close call.

[Angel Reese]

Took off.

[Hank]

One round. Fact check. Safer to fly than ever.

[Stephen Che]

Source.

[Angel Reese]

Fact check.

[Hank]

Source. Reality.

[Angel Reese]

Reality. He just.

[Stephen Che]

Is there any stats to back Because. Because last time I checked, we've had one plane land, flip over, almost kill the entire flight.

[Angel Reese]

Is there zero? Is there a chance?

[Hank]

So far any good landing is one that you can walk away from. That was a great landing.

[Angel Reese]

Is there a chance though, Hank? It's like when you buy a car and then you see that car everywhere. You are acutely aware of plane near misses. So now you're seeing them a lot more.

[Hank]

Couldn't be that it's actually.

[Angel Reese]

It happened on the way down to Indy. Stephen Shea, who is 38 years old and was born yesterday, was enamored by the fact that there was an oversized load car basically, you know, behind what was an oversized. Oversized load on the highways. Like I've never seen that before. Again, I don't know how that's possible. We then saw it three times and had a discussion about Stephen Chase semen load and how it's still okay after the vasectomy. That probably is what's happening here. I don't know how that applies to Stephen Chase Come. But you get what I'm saying. No.

[Hank]

Hank shoots an oversized load anytime he sees a video of a plane almost crash.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Now it's to the point where Hank almost enjoys the plane.

[Angel Reese]

You're just looking. You're just seeing it more.

[Hank]

And the fact is, Hank is so. January. January of 2025. Fewer plane incidents than January of 2024.

[Angel Reese]

Wow.

[Hank]

Source.

[Angel Reese]

How about that reality.

[Hank]

Source. Is the documented worldwide incidence of plane crashes.

[Angel Reese]

Wait, when did that plane crash in D.C. february.

[Hank]

I don't recall.

[Angel Reese]

I think that was February. But you are January.

[Hank]

You are. You are seeing more.

[Stephen Che]

No, I mean, thanks to. I've been chilling out harder than ever.

[Angel Reese]

Have you?

[Stephen Che]

I'm just living Yeah, I don't look for these things. They get sent to me.

[Angel Reese]

Well, yeah, I mean, I want you to be aware.

[Stephen Che]

No, I just want to. I just want to live.

[Angel Reese]

So you don't want me to send you any, like.

[Stephen Che]

No.

[Angel Reese]

If, like, a thousand dolphins decide to beach themselves on a remote island, you don't want me to send it?

[Stephen Che]

No. Mahalo.

[Hank]

What about if, like, a huge flock of birds just flies into the Empire State Building?

[Stephen Che]

That's just life, man.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. What about if the Empire State Building tweets something and then has to delete it?

[Stephen Che]

Live and let live.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Stephen Che]

All right.

[Hank]

I mean, you're the one that put.

[Angel Reese]

Planes on the hot seat.

[Hank]

Now you're saying. Now you're saying, like, just chill out. Which one is it?

[Stephen Che]

What was the first one? No, I mean, I learned from. From. From my big bro, big cat. Like, just. Just chill out, man. Nothing.

[Angel Reese]

We're all along for the ride.

[Stephen Che]

Nothing matters. Just enjoy while you can, you know?

[Hank]

How about a little respect for the pilots of Southwest?

[Stephen Che]

Choose to be happy.

[Hank]

That's a great move on their part.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

That's what I'm saying. So I really should put them on the cool throne.

[Angel Reese]

Don't worry. Be happy. Kuna matata.

[Stephen Che]

Yep. And then my cool throne is Timothy Chama.

[Hank]

Oh, okay.

[Stephen Che]

He won a SAG award. And then I. I just liked. I liked the speech. He gave a good speech after he won a SAG Award, and he's like, you know, a lot of times it's when, you know, athletes and actors that go up there, you know, I just want to thank God, and I'm just so. Blah, blah, blah. He kind of was just like, yeah, I want to be one of the greats. I'm going hard.

[Hank]

He hates God. Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

He's having a moment.

[Hank]

He is. Did he say. Did he say who he liked in Mississippi State? Alabama?

[Stephen Che]

He did not.

[Angel Reese]

That would have been nice.

[Hank]

It would have been nice.

[Angel Reese]

It would have been nice. But he. Is I. Is he the answer for, like, he could be the answer because we. We've had this discussion before, but, like, who is, like, a front of the poster movie star right now?

[Hank]

Army Hammer.

[Angel Reese]

It's Armie Hammer. It's like Tom Cruise.

[Hank]

Did you hear about Arm Hammer's movie that he's doing?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Is he eating people?

[Hank]

It's called the Dark Knight.

[Angel Reese]

Wait, is he back?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

I thought he was selling real estate in the Bahamas.

[Hank]

No, he's. He's back.

[Angel Reese]

He's doing a movie. It's.

[Hank]

It's called the Dark Knight. It's a movie about a vigilante superhero kind of guy, and it's not related to Batman.

[Angel Reese]

Armie Hammer. Shout out, Armie Hammer. Because he basically has proven, like, when everyone's like, I'm getting canceled. You should be like, dude, the guy, like, actively wanted to eat people. And he's back.

[Hank]

Yeah, it was satire.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

King Shaman now.

[Angel Reese]

No, I'm not. I'm actually doing the opposite. I'm literally doing the opposite. I'm like, dude, if he can do it.

[Hank]

My favorite fact about Armie Hammer, it weirds me out every time I re. Relearn this one. His grandfather was the CEO of Arm and Hammer, but his grandfather. His grandfather's name was Armand Hammer. Armand Hammer. He was the CEO of Arm and Hammer. But he didn't. He wasn't the founder of Arm and Hammer.

[Angel Reese]

Whoa.

[Hank]

So his name was Arm and Hammer. Hammer. The company. Arm and Hammer came out and everybody was like, dude, you should buy this company because it's your name. And then he ended up buying the company.

[Angel Reese]

That's sick.

[Hank]

So he is kind of the heir to the Arm and Hammer franchise, but they didn't find it. Wow.

[Angel Reese]

I had a. I had a fun fact that I forgot. I think I knew it. But that Tony Hawk's grandson is also Kurt Cobain's grandson. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He posted something about it, but that's the coolest kid that's ever been created.

[Hank]

His name. Mike.

[Angel Reese]

I don't know what his name is.

[Hank]

Mike Hawk.

[Angel Reese]

Mike Hawk. Yeah.

[Hank]

Very good name.

[Angel Reese]

That is his name. What are you looking at?

[Hank]

Max loves that one.

[Angel Reese]

You pervert it. Well, Max is still up from his fitness.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Max]

All right, I'm sorry. I'm not allowed to laugh.

[Angel Reese]

No, no, it's okay. I like it. We got a little hungover, Max from the fitness.

[Hank]

Maybe we can do a little remix of the Outro song with some John Summit. Make you feel like you're still on vacay.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, Summit crushed it, dude. How many times you do this on your vacation, Max?

[Max]

A whole lot of that. Yeah, mostly that.

[Angel Reese]

That was your big move. What are you looking up, Hank?

[Stephen Che]

I'm reading about the Hammer family.

[Hank]

It is crazy, isn't it?

[Stephen Che]

The grandfather was accused of murder in 1955.

[Hank]

Oh, okay.

[Angel Reese]

But did he eat the body?

[Stephen Che]

I don't know. But he was separately accused of sexual abuse by his daughter.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Hank]

All right, cool.

[Angel Reese]

That's some light stuff. All right. Pft.

[Hank]

My hot seat is Bonnie Blue. She is a liar. She lied to us. No, she's not. She's not actually pregnant.

[Angel Reese]

You mean Bonnie Blue who fucked a thousand dudes?

[Hank]

Fake pregnancy. What you think you know somebody but.

[Angel Reese]

Is at least Lily pregnant?

[Hank]

We still unclear about that one.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Hank]

I'm gonna get both claim pregnancy.

[Angel Reese]

I think one of them.

[Hank]

It's like Magic and Bird.

[Angel Reese]

I think it was. I think her friend got pregnant and then she did. Like the really shitty friend move would be like, oh, I'm pregnant too.

[Hank]

Well what, what she claims she did was she said that she. She said she was pregnant to get more money on her only fans account. And then she used that money to pay for her friend's fertility treatment.

[Angel Reese]

Ah.

[Hank]

Ivf. Because the price of eggs going way up.

[Angel Reese]

So there is a pregnancy there.

[Hank]

Someone is about to be pregnant.

[Angel Reese]

Got it.

[Hank]

And I think the other girl, Lily. Yeah, I think she. She might be pregnant. But now since it's like a boy who cried wolf situation. So now since. But she only 100 guys, right?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, I think so.

[Hank]

So probably not pregnant.

[Angel Reese]

Elon should really lean into it and just put a. Put a rocket baby in. In Bonnie Blue.

[Hank]

I agree that.

[Angel Reese]

I mean that would be if he, if, if people are going to just trash him. Might as well just go all the way.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Just being like boom, rocket baby with the thousand chick guy. I agree with thousand dude guy. What do you for.

[Stephen Che]

For our listeners? I mean obviously I'm really good with this stuff, but ivf.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Is fertility stuff to help fertility trigger.

[Angel Reese]

Have babies if you can't have it.

[Hank]

Inter vitro fertilization.

[Angel Reese]

You got it.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

They used to call them test tube babies.

[Angel Reese]

You know that.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Hank]

It's where they take you. You like nut into a bottle and then the girl nuts into a bottle. And then you mix girl. You stir them around, girl.

[Angel Reese]

They get the little whisk thing with eggs. They whisk it, you froth it. Baby gets. And then. And then you have to water it and then put it in sunlight and then boom, baby. It's pretty cool.

[Hank]

But yeah. So Bonnie Blue Liar.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Couldn't.

[Hank]

Well, I guess Cool throne Paul Bisson.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You can still munch that bin.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Although I think maybe hot seat Paul Bissett because there was a chance he was going to maybe be a father.

[Hank]

He would have been the dad who stepped up.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, exactly. All right.

[Hank]

My cool throne is Gronk.

[Angel Reese]

Yes.

[Hank]

Hank, did you hear about this?

[Stephen Che]

I did.

[Hank]

So there was a report today amongst the Denver media that Rob Gronkowski is considering a return to the NFL and that he would like to potentially play for the Denver Broncos.

[Angel Reese]

Wow. Did you real.

[Stephen Che]

No, 0.0.

[Angel Reese]

The.

[Stephen Che]

The report from some random account. It was the like facts that we're going off of was that Gronk worked with Sean Payton last year or on Fox the year before and he likes Bonex.

[Hank]

Okay, well, I think there was a little bit more to it than that.

[Stephen Che]

Hank was. Do tell.

[Hank]

Why would that report just come out? They, They've worked together way in the past.

[Stephen Che]

Is there more that I missed?

[Hank]

League sources tell me four time super bowl champion Robert Gronkowski is considering return to the NFL. He worked with Sean Payton, Fox, and I'm told he loves Denver. You left that part out. You left that part out.

[Angel Reese]

I did. So you were being. You were trying to get that he.

[Stephen Che]

Loves Denver also, which. There's no way that's true because they lost you.

[Angel Reese]

Very confused.

[Hank]

Conveniently left out two major parts of the support. One, he loves Denver. This guy's close. The guy was told that he loves Denver. And also two of his brothers, Dan and Chris.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, there you go. So there's clearly history. There's a big pattern here.

[Stephen Che]

No, Dan was on the team for like a year and I, I don't even think Chris was on the team for a full year. But. Yeah. Loves Denver.

[Hank]

Well, Denver sports.com is a couple of.

[Stephen Che]

Stan.

[Angel Reese]

I do like the idea of Gronk retiring and then being like, man, my body feels good and then just keep coming back until he's like 60.

[Stephen Che]

He's also like the ultimate, like, responsible with his money. Guy never spent any of his playing money, only spends his sponsorship money. Has a trillion sponsors. Like, he does not need the money.

[Angel Reese]

No, he loves football.

[Stephen Che]

No reason.

[Hank]

No, he doesn't. He loves Denver.

[Angel Reese]

He. And he loves Denver.

[Stephen Che]

He loves Denver.

[Angel Reese]

You forgetting the Denver part?

[Stephen Che]

I did. I was, I forgot. I forgot about how would he possibly.

[Angel Reese]

Live in Denver if he wasn't playing for the Broncos.

[Hank]

There's no way. There's no chance he could do it. If they're looking to bring on a guy that hasn't played in the NFL as a tight end, I feel like Jokic would be a damn good tight end.

[Angel Reese]

But does he love Denver?

[Hank]

I don't think he loves Denver.

[Angel Reese]

I don't think he loves Denver and his brothers.

[Hank]

I don't think his brother's ever played for the Broncos.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah, yeah.

[Angel Reese]

You, you, you're pretending like this is fake. When. Say, what was the last line again?

[Hank]

Well, the last line was that his brothers both played.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, what was the line before that?

[Hank]

He worked with Sean Payton at Fox And I'm told he loves Denver and quarterback Bonix.

[Stephen Che]

That was.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, he loves Denver. Dude, he's going to be a Bronco. There's no other way for him to do this than be a Bronco.

[Hank]

I think. I think it could happen.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. All right. My hot seat is.

[Hank]

Oh, also, Baby Gronk has committed to Georgia. Oh, he said he will commit to Georgia.

[Stephen Che]

I hate that kid. No offense.

[Angel Reese]

University of Georgia. Yes, I got your offer, but is there any baddies in Georgia? Oh, excuse me, Any baddies. Jenny Smith, what are you doing in Georgia? Baby Grunk, are you stalking me?

[Hank]

You found a body. Oh, side hug. And he hit her with a side hug, too.

[Angel Reese]

Damn.

[Hank]

So he got the offer. He's committing to Georgia.

[Angel Reese]

Do you think Baby Gronk did. He absolutely hates Big justice in the Rizzler because, like, I feel like that was. You can. You can point to where Baby Gronk went down. Maybe it was actually when Baby Diggs showed up because he can lock down Baby Gronk.

[Hank]

Would you say. Did you call Baby Gronk, Diddy?

[Stephen Che]

I called you Diddy.

[Hank]

Why?

[Stephen Che]

Because you were just breaking down him finding a body. He's like 12 years old.

[Hank]

No, he said there are no. He said there are no baddies that go to Georgia. Then I said. Then I misspoke and said body instead of baddie.

[Stephen Che]

Okay, you.

[Hank]

You know what, Hank? You're on an all time hate streak right now.

[Angel Reese]

He's just.

[Stephen Che]

I speak my mind. I don't know what you want me to do.

[Angel Reese]

You're clearly rattled by the fact that Gronk loves Denver.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah, and it's not. It's nothing against Baby Gron himself. It's obviously his. His family. But that is the weirdest intern Internet storyline that exists. I think not.

[Angel Reese]

Not the Costco guys.

[Stephen Che]

I came around on them.

[Angel Reese]

Okay, good.

[Stephen Che]

I came around on.

[Angel Reese]

You're on the right side of history.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah, Max. It was honestly, when they came to the office, he was funny and I was just like. I was like, oh, knock.

[Angel Reese]

Jerry wants. To their mind.

[Stephen Che]

I was talking a lot of.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, you.

[Stephen Che]

He's like, oh, doom. And I just. I. It was so fun.

[Hank]

Jerry's talked me into Mama Justice.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, yeah. He's showing me I've been Stockholm syndrome. Mama justice has got it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

Have you guys seen the. The newest child stars on the Internet?

[Angel Reese]

No.

[Max]

The Maryland Foodie Boys.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, yes. I love those guys.

[Max]

Awesome.

[Angel Reese]

We actually are like, we shouldn't prop these guys up because they're going to take our job. It's a bunch of like 12 year olds who have a food podcast, but they haven't tried any food because they're 12. So, like celery.

[F]

They.

[Angel Reese]

They did a. They did a pizza topping discussion and they all were like, I usually just like cheese, but I guess maybe pepperoni discussion. Put a. Put that clip in here.

[Ben Johnson]

Right?

[Angel Reese]

What's your favorite topping on a pizza? I'm just a. If I had to choose, it'd probably be like pepperoni.

[Max]

But I'm not a big.

[Angel Reese]

I'm not a big. I'm just a regular cheese guy. We. I just do cheese. I don't. I don't do.

[Hank]

I just do cheese.

[Max]

I don't really like pepperoni. It's kind of a weird taste.

[Angel Reese]

I'll do pepperoni, but same thing. Like, yeah, a lot of people are big pepperoni fans.

[Ben Johnson]

I think meat lovers do have meat lovers.

[Angel Reese]

I'm not a big fan of it. I'm not a big fan of, like, the sausage in general.

[Max]

I've never had a meat lover. None of. None of them liked pepperoni.

[Angel Reese]

It was.

[Max]

It was too spicy for them. But they have a food podcast.

[Angel Reese]

I love that they had a long distance discussion about what actually. Actually are dry rub wings.

[Hank]

I want to see the episode where they get introduced to Ranch on pizza.

[Angel Reese]

It's so awesome, dude.

[Max]

One of the kids said that he hasn't had a different lunch since kindergarten. I assume he's probably in sixth grade, but he just. It was peanut butter and jelly, yogurt, chips, fruit, and a juice box. He's had the same lunch every single day, but he has a food podcast.

[Angel Reese]

And they're just like, yeah, let's talk about this today. It's like, has anyone tried it? No. End of show.

[Hank]

What is this? Strawberry jelly.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, yeah, we gotta put the clip in for the people. The pizza one had me dying. They're just going around being like, yeah, I'm kind of just cheese. All right. My hot seat is anyone who hates Taylor Swift. Not us. We love Taylor Swift. We're Swifties. Because Travis Kelsey is not retiring.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Angel Reese]

So his GM said that he was pumped for him to be back. So that was a fun little thing.

[Hank]

So is that confirmed or is that just. The GM says that he's pumped.

[Angel Reese]

The GM said he was pumped.

[Hank]

I feel like Chiefs GM Kelsey should always be pumped.

[Angel Reese]

Chief GM expects fired up Kelsey to play in 25.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Angel Reese]

Fired up. How we left the end of the season is that he was fired up. I think we left it as he'd be back and we're Excited to get him back and get him going.

[Hank]

So cool. Throne is the Swifties.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because I also saw a story in unconfirmed report that she's got a beef with Blake Lively going right now. Oh, is that true, Hank?

[Angel Reese]

Hank explained the Blake Lively Ryan Reynolds thing to me in three sentences. Okay.

[Stephen Che]

Blake Lively, diva, gets in fight with director, enforces her power and uses Ryan Reynolds to shape a narrative. Oh, movie flops. Then she goes back and blames the director, even though it was her that was kind of doing everything the whole time.

[Angel Reese]

So we're. We're about. We're Baldoni now.

[Stephen Che]

Everything's getting public. Baldoni is. Is just releasing everything. He just started a website and he's just leaking every single conversation and every single piece of evidence he has. I think he's also a little bit of a diva. Like, that's kind of. They're just doing pr.

[Angel Reese]

Got it.

[Stephen Che]

Articles like. Let's just get. Let's just get some articles going.

[Hank]

It sounds like this type of stuff happens all the time on basically any movie.

[Angel Reese]

I just. I just.

[Stephen Che]

I think Ryan Reynolds is the biggest loser out of the whole thing, so.

[F]

Right.

[Hank]

For being a good husband.

[Stephen Che]

Yeah. But he just. He was, you know, a. A beloved person, I feel like. And he's kind of looking a little scummy.

[Angel Reese]

I haven't changed my opinion on him. He's a wife. Have an opinion?

[Stephen Che]

None.

[Angel Reese]

I don't really have. No. I don't watch the Marvel movies.

[Hank]

I enjoy Waiting. I enjoyed Van Wilder's funny. I enjoy.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Van Wilder Waiting. Two great films. I like the welcome to Wrexham thing.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, that's cool. I. I just. That's one of those stories that I know it exists, but I never read anything. And then it popped up again with the SNL50, when everyone's like, how could he make this joke?

[Stephen Che]

Well, so they're suing and in the lawsuit, there's. Blake Lively is saying, like, she's caused emotional damage by everything that's going on.

[Angel Reese]

Ah.

[Stephen Che]

So that's like in the law.

[Angel Reese]

So you can't.

[Stephen Che]

So then to go to snl.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

Where his ex wife. Who he. For who? Scarlett Johansson, who was married to Colin.

[Angel Reese]

Colin Joes.

[Stephen Che]

So he left Scarlett Johansson to start dating Blake Lively because they were co stars in a movie together. Classic scumbag move. And then to show up at SNL50 and then make a joke about it when in the lawsuit they're saying she's so emotionally damaged that this is happening. Like it kind of. Who. You know, playing both sides there.

[Hank]

But Is there any truth to the fact that there's a rift between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift now?

[Stephen Che]

I think Taylor Swift. I don't know. I don't know about that. That's. That's Swifty stuff that I'm not fully caught up on. But Blake Lively was. Was in Taylor's box forever.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

All this stuff happened.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

She was in no box to be found and nowhere to be found with Taylor. So I think that's just Swifty speculated.

[Angel Reese]

Ryan Reynolds went from ScarJo to Blake Lively. Yeah, that guy.

[Hank]

He's. He's had a good time.

[Angel Reese]

Damn. Yeah. Like respect. Yeah.

[Hank]

Take my hat off, too.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. All right. My cool throne is actually all of us.

[Hank]

Nice.

[Angel Reese]

Because Sydney Sweeney is not getting married as of right now.

[Stephen Che]

I thought. I thought you were just gonna say because we're getting the phone.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, the WOJ phone. Listen, I'm gonna try to buy a Woj phone for our good friend Mark Titus because he loves Woj. For people who didn't see it, Woj is auctioning off his old phones for St. Bonnie's NIL. And if you're like, why would I want his old phone? Well, let me pull it up real quick and give you a little explanation for why you'd want it. So this is one of the phones you could buy from Woj. How about this, Hank? Would you like this one? IPhone used to break Paul George, Kawhi Leonard to the Clippers. WOJ uses phone iPhone XR from 2018 to 2019 to discover and announce major NBA news, including Kevin Durant. Kyrie Irving teaming up in Brooklyn, Anthony Davis joining LeBron James in Los Angeles, and Paul George and Kawhi Leonard both landing with the Clippers just moments apart around 2am that's pretty cool.

[Hank]

It's more than just a phone. It's a piece of history.

[Angel Reese]

That is a huge phone. IPhone used to break NBA suspending season for Covid. That one's a hell.

[Hank]

I don't like that phone.

[Angel Reese]

I actually did text Woj and I was like, do you have any other phones that we could buy black market? And he's like, he's going to look for us. Okay.

[Hank]

Because I would like a WOJ phone there. I mean, that brings up a good point. What phones, historically, would you like to purchase? I think the Brett Favre phone.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Would be a good one.

[Angel Reese]

Would be good.

[Max]

Joe Horn.

[Angel Reese]

Joe.

[Hank]

Joe Horn's phone from underneath the. The uprights in the inside.

[Angel Reese]

Tom Brady deflate gate phone. That's.

[Hank]

That thing's destroyed.

[Angel Reese]

The. I would like to buy the Diana Rossini reporting on Max's farts and two sodas.

[Hank]

We could actually probably make that happen.

[Stephen Che]

I might still be good. I might still be active. That might be an active phones.

[Hank]

Yeah, that might be bad.

[Angel Reese]

I'd like the phone where and we're going to on Friday. We'll have shfter on. I would love the phone where the DES tape is stored. That would be nice. But yeah, we should. We should maybe sell some of our.

[Stephen Che]

Stuff like that makes me wish we like. Imagine if we just like had had archived all of our instead of just throwing it away or like doing the pile donations.

[Angel Reese]

This big cat phone has over $5 million lost in gambling. You are really going to want this one.

[Hank]

Whose job hypothetically would have been to archive all the part of my take stuff.

[Angel Reese]

That would have been you. How's the bonk list going this year? Let's.

[Stephen Che]

Let's pull it up because the people love it.

[Hank]

Yeah, they do.

[Angel Reese]

You. You just aren't doing it.

[Hank]

I think I. I maybe just got way less horny this year.

[Stephen Che]

Way less horny.

[Hank]

Turned 40. Lost my mojo.

[Angel Reese]

Is. Is me saying that we all got a shot with Sydney Sweeney on the list.

[Hank]

I'm back.

[Angel Reese]

Because we all got a shot with Sydney Sweeney.

[Stephen Che]

This is confusing.

[Angel Reese]

Not 0% chance I can see it from here.

[Max]

It is not a substantial list.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, no, no. There's one entry.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Stephen Che]

It's not completed.

[Angel Reese]

PMT stats and info. We're gonna have to have you help out Hank and maybe get some bonk list going for him.

[Stephen Che]

No, P. I mean there hasn't been much.

[Angel Reese]

What do you mean? We. We do the bonk list in the middle of summer. So it's been six months.

[Stephen Che]

Do we even do it?

[Angel Reese]

Last year I think we had the same issue and then.

[Stephen Che]

No, I had one from last year. I had one from last.

[Angel Reese]

Okay, so we did do it last year.

[Stephen Che]

We didn't do it on the show. All right, so we have two years maybe.

[Angel Reese]

We definitely did it on the show.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

PFT is Mike Pence. Assume Max was going to say sexual things to female co workers when.

[Hank]

Oh, and he wouldn't go on the bachelorette party.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

No, that's not it. No, you wanted me to.

[Stephen Che]

Oh, PFT's Mike Pence. Like you assume that if Max is talking to people. Co workers.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Max]

You wanted me after the Eagles fan was disrespectful to the.

[Angel Reese]

The women.

[Max]

You wanted me to go up to the women of barstool and say something nice.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, yeah. But respectful.

[Max]

But you just assumed everything was going to be sexual.

[Hank]

No. Say something nice, but respect.

[Angel Reese]

Right.

[Max]

I just told all of them they're.

[Angel Reese]

Really good at their job.

[Hank]

That's. That's a weak, weak bunk list. Eh?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, your bunk list sucks. Hang.

[Stephen Che]

I started the bonk list like myself.

[Angel Reese]

I know.

[Stephen Che]

It was my passion project People assignment.

[Angel Reese]

People want it. People want it. Okay, let's. Let's do our interview with Ben Johnson. Before we do that, we got a couple ads.

[Hank]

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[Angel Reese]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is head coach the Chicago Bears, Ben Johnson. Coach, thank you for joining us. I have a loaded first question for you.

[Ben Johnson]

Can I start with the first question for you? First.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Ben Johnson]

All right. Super bowl scenario.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. By the way, I watched an AI thing where they. They simulated the next 10 years of the Bears with Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams. We won two Super Bowls.

[Ben Johnson]

I like that.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Pretty good scenario. Super Bowl. Chicago Bears versus New England Patriots. Who are you rooting for?

[Angel Reese]

Bears.

[Hank]

Bears.

[Angel Reese]

You are Bears all day. Okay, Bears. Good.

[Ben Johnson]

We got that one out of the way.

[Angel Reese]

Yes. All right. My very. My. My first question is. Very important question. Very important question. Cat or dog? Guy.

[Ben Johnson]

Dog.

[Angel Reese]

Yes.

[Hank]

Good answer. Good answer.

[Angel Reese]

Thank God. All right, that's the end of the interview. That's all I needed.

[Hank]

There was another coach that we had on.

[Angel Reese]

There might have been another years ago.

[Hank]

That said not only cats, but multiple cats. Yeah, that should have been red flag.

[Ben Johnson]

Who was that?

[Angel Reese]

I don't know.

[Hank]

Forget the guy.

[Angel Reese]

Might have been a. The coach before you for the Bears. All right, so you're a dog guy. Do you have a dog?

[Ben Johnson]

I do not have a dog.

[Angel Reese]

Okay, but you love dogs.

[Ben Johnson]

I like dogs. I like dogs.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. That I should.

[Hank]

So you don't own a dog. What are you, an aspiring dog owner?

[Ben Johnson]

No.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Angel Reese]

But you love.

[Hank]

You appreciate their work.

[Ben Johnson]

I don't have time for pets, guys.

[Hank]

Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

[Ben Johnson]

Football.

[Angel Reese]

Football's life. Football is like.

[Hank]

So I was actually. I was a little bit worried that you were not going to show up today because you love canceling interviews at the last second. Is that true?

[Angel Reese]

Oh, that was a harder question. Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

I didn't want to sound like a statement.

[Hank]

I was expressing my deep fears. No, honestly, I did want you as the coach, the commanders last year. I think it worked out well for everybody involved.

[Ben Johnson]

No question.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Washington had a great year.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Great year. Yep.

[Hank]

Great ending.

[Angel Reese]

All right, so you. You've been the Bears head coach for over a month now. Is it. Has it kind of settled in that you are a head coach in the NFL? Like, that's. It's pretty. Pretty damn cool. Like, has it started to be like, whoa, I'm actually running this organization?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's. Listen, it's been everything I wanted it to be. I know that it's been five weeks and a lot of work and getting the coaching staff together, getting schedules in place, and it's a lot going on, so I haven't had a chance to reflect yet or anything like that, but no, it's exactly what I wanted.

[Angel Reese]

I love that. I love that. Would you say you're an offensive guru, a whiz kid or a QB whisperer?

[Ben Johnson]

I'd say a damn good football coach.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, I like that. Because my next question was going to be like, which one of those is the best leader of men? And does any of this shit matter?

[Ben Johnson]

No, listen. Yeah, none of those terms matter. I hate all those terms, actually. I agree. I want to be a damn good football. I want to be. I want to be remembered as Andy Reid esque or Belichick esque. Like, that's, that's what I aspire to be.

[Angel Reese]

I like that a lot.

[Hank]

You seem like a, like an intense guy, somebody who know very clear about your intentions for everything. When did you know that you wanted to be a head football coach?

[Ben Johnson]

I think it's been every step along the way. That's when you start looking at the next step. And so when I was, when I got, when Dan Campbell promoted me to tight ends coach, there was a point I was like, man, I could, I love this job. I could do this for the next 20 years. This is great. But then eventually you're like, well, I would love to call plays too at some point. And so, well, you get the opportunity to do that and then once you're calling plays for a little bit, you're like, oh, well, there's another, there's another ladder to climb here. So, yeah, it. Over the last call it three years, that's where it really came. Came to shape. I can't tell you. I got into this business to be a head coach. That, that really wasn't, Wasn't the intent. The intent was to be around some really good people. And I love the game, I love the sport and everything that comes out from it. And so it's just been a natural progression and, and it's really the next step.

[Hank]

I heard that somewhere along the line you were, you were writing code.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Is that true?

[Ben Johnson]

That's a long time ago.

[Hank]

Was it like in a football capacity?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, to a degree.

[Hank]

What is that pretty cool? You were watching, watching film, figuring out like, ways to arrange data or. What was that?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, so it's, it's, it was a way of taking what was ever already in, put the system and organizing it a different way. So listen, it's not fun or sexy to talk about. I don't think we need.

[Angel Reese]

That's pretty cool.

[Hank]

That's, that's a, it's an interesting ability that you have, because if you were to go back 20 years, how many football coaches have ever written code trying to organize our systems? It's probably zero percent.

[Ben Johnson]

There's probably not many. Yeah, there's probably not many.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. I mean, that's. That's pretty cool. Part of your past. I'm sure that there's. I mean, getting to this point where you're a head coach, the NFL is an incredible accomplishment. I know you have a lot more things you want to accomplish, but, like, being a code writer, I don't. I can't imagine that's. Like PFT said, there's probably not a lot of guys who've coached the NFL who did that. That's pretty damn cool. Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

If you think so.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, I think it's cool. I'm counting as cool. All right, so I love Caleb Williams. What do you see in Caleb Williams and get you excited about coaching Caleb Williams?

[Ben Johnson]

I would say what stands out, which is different than where I came from, would be the ability to improvise, the. The creation when things break down, extend plays, throw out, throw on the move outside of the pocket. He's a dynamic athlete. He's got. He's got all the intangibles. I believe, that. That the great quarterbacks have. He wants to be great. He wants to be coached. That was important as well. So I'm still getting to know him, but I really can't wait to get to work with him.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

One thing that I really love about your coaching style is all the downfield laterals that you do.

[Ben Johnson]

You like those?

[Hank]

I love them. So we've been. We've been talking about that on this show. I've. I think every single head coach that we've interviewed, I've been telling them, like, more downfield laterals. There's ability to break open big plays, by the way, that, you know, defenses are coached on how to tackle, swarm to the ball, opens up gaps. You use that as much as anybody in the NFL in your offense. Is that something that you've, like, grown up looking at the, you know, the percentages and done all the analytics and said you have the ability to make bigger plays? Like, how did that become a key part of your playbook?

[Ben Johnson]

Let me start. The head coaches you did talk to, what did they say? Were they going to.

[Hank]

They would. They would kind of laugh and they'd say, well, no, they would laugh and they'd say, yeah, but you also have a high risk of turning the ball over.

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, come on. That's. That's baloney. That's what they said about the triple option.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

When that came to light. Right. And so listen, it was last year, we're watching self scout as a staff, and there was a certain concept we had ran a number of times a year before and it was like, well, what if we did that? You see the same reaction from the defense, didn't matter what coverage they were in, the same reaction. What if we just sent another player going the other way and we threw the ball to him? And so that's really how that came to light. We did probably, what, four or five of them this year in Detroit, and they ended up being pretty darn good plays. But you got to have the right players too. It was St. Brown.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Say you get to get the ball. St. Brown, he's going to make sure he's doing the right thing with it.

[Hank]

You have to coach it. You have to have guys that are ready for it, guys that are ready to pitch it. And if you watch rugby, it's. There are people that are very capable of, while they're getting hit, offload the ball, boom, break it for a touchdown.

[Ben Johnson]

Well, you see Kansas City do it, but that's a little bit more ad lib, I feel like, you know, whereas we were a little bit more detailed about the relationship. But it, like I said, the triple option, I'm sure when that came. Came out years ago, everyone, what the hell is this thing? And you know, I feel like this is just our version of the triple. Modern day triple option, if you will.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. How deep is your bag? It's deep, right?

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, it's deep.

[Angel Reese]

It's deep. All right. So settle this debate though, because every time this would happen to you where you guys would run a trick play, even specifically the one you ran against the Bears where Jared pretended to fumble and then hit that touchdown pass, and everyone's like, why would you run that in the regular season? I've always thought you're just giving the other. The, the defense you're going to play down the fee, down the season, another look they have to be ready for. So if Jared just, if he trips even a little bit, they're like, oh, shit, there's another trick play. Is that kind of how you look at trick plays? Like there's no, hey, we're trying to hold something back because we're just making it even harder for them to game plan.

[Ben Johnson]

You don't know when they're gonna be good again.

[Angel Reese]

Right.

[Ben Johnson]

Because they're really predicated on the defense you're playing that week. And so if you're going to invest the time and the energy to install it and practice it on the field, then why wait, what could be another four weeks before you actually get a chance to run it right Might as well capitalize on that opportunity right now. And not to mention, there's a million plays you can run. There's a million plays, and we've only scratched the surface of what we're capable of doing right now.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

And so, yeah, we'll scratch one of those million off the list and. Okay, we got a bunch of them left. Let's. Let's go on to the next one.

[Angel Reese]

That's a deep pack. Do you ever find yourself, like, maybe even when you're sleeping or just like, you know, driving and something pops in your head? You're like, oh, found another.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, it happens. The best times are in the shower. That's where we go.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

You got nothing else to do but your mind's on football in the shower. That's where the best ideas pop up.

[Angel Reese]

Ben Johnson is beating you in from the shower. I like that. I like that.

[Ben Johnson]

I haven't heard that one before.

[Hank]

Do you have an overall football philosophy?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, and this stems from John Shoup, who actually coordinated it at Chicago early 2000s. He was a coordinator when I was a senior at North Carolina. Caleb Presley knows him very well, and he used to say, yeah, we want the same things to look different and different things to look the same. And so really, that's the starting premise for. For offensive football. That's what it was since. Since I took over as a play caller.

[Angel Reese]

I like that. Wait. The same things look different. We're not smart.

[Hank]

Different things to break the same.

[Angel Reese]

Same things look different.

[Hank]

So you want, when you're doing different things, you want people to be like, oh, they're just running their vanilla offense.

[Angel Reese]

I think I'm gonna dumb it down. It's kind of like, like a delivery of like a fastball and a change up come from the same arm slot.

[Ben Johnson]

That's right. Okay, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I think that's right.

[Angel Reese]

How important is the running back for you?

[Ben Johnson]

Very important. Yeah. Yeah. You know, was very fortunate to be around some good ones over my career. And I think the best ones, what they do is they elevate the players around them. And so really, they've been the tone setters. The best offenses I've been a part of, the best teams I've been on. That running back position has really been vital in terms of getting the game going. When things are going in a lull, which will happen from time to time, get in his hands and he'll pick us back up again. And yeah, no, the running back position is huge.

[Hank]

So, like, if there was A great running back that was round in the draft. You'd think, man, that guy would be important.

[Ben Johnson]

Certainly.

[Hank]

Yeah, I would think that's good.

[Angel Reese]

Good answer.

[Hank]

I would think that way, too.

[Angel Reese]

That's a good answer.

[Hank]

I. I like that you've already kind of. You're very comfortable doing the. I know that I'm getting too close to something and I can't give away too much information, so I'm gonna sit here and smile and let you guys figure it out. You're beyond your years on that. When you were working with coach Dan Campbell in Detroit, one thing that we love about Coach Campbell is we think that he's actually very, very smart. He's a super smart guy. And sometimes he likes. He likes to toss a little red meat out to the media to get them talking about a lion on the sidelines instead of, you know, trying to actually figure out what he's up to in the games. But he's. I think he's an underrated, intelligent coach. He knew exactly when to go for it on fourth down, according to actual statistics. It wasn't like, sometimes it might have been overall motto of we're going to be aggressive, but it was all backed up by math on that. Was that like going into every game, did you know the exact scenarios where you had to be prepared to go for on fourth down? And. And if so, did you stay with the. With that plan or were there times where you had to deviate from the plan?

[Angel Reese]

We.

[Ben Johnson]

We. He. No, you're right. He's super intelligent.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. And I've learned a ton from him. Each week was its own entity, though. And so it wasn't like you went into the. Went into the season saying, hey, every fourth and two, we're always going to go for it. That was not the case. It just depended on the week, the opponent, how aggressive they were, the weather. There's all kinds of factors that come into play. And so going into the game, yeah, he would have shared that information with me of, man, once we hit midfield, if you can make it fourth and three or less, then. Then you're going to have a green light. And then over the course of the game, once we hit that range, he would be in my headset and telling me, hey, you got four downs here, which would tell me, oh, I just got to make this fourth and three or less.

[Angel Reese]

Right?

[Ben Johnson]

And so what that allowed me to do as a play caller was we. We ran the ball ton on third down, right. You know, to make it into those manageable situations. And a lot of those runs we ended up converting anyways because that's, that's actually the best time to run the ball. So it was, I think that was this whole grand scheme. You know, he's a. There's a lot of science behind it.

[Hank]

He contains multitudes.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, we always, like, we're dumb fans, and I think most fans are a little dumb in this way where we're like, oh, he's going for fourth down again. But it felt like for the Lions specifically, you guys were, you knew you were going fourth down way before that. You know what I mean? You knew that, that drive, like, hey, this is going to be a drive where, like you said fourth and three. So it's not a surprise to anyone on the field. And you're planning for that, right? You're, you're calling plays, you know, three, four plays ahead.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. And that was the play style there, too. So the players knew it. The players knew exactly what we were getting into, not only on offense, but also on defense. They knew, well, there's a chance that we're not going to convert and now they're going to have to defend a short field or something like that.

[Angel Reese]

Right.

[Ben Johnson]

You know, the buy in is so important to any team that you're a part of. And fortunately there in Detroit, there's a lot of player buy in.

[Angel Reese]

Was there ever a time where Dan Campbell on the headset, he was just like, no, Penny, that's too crazy. We can't do that.

[Ben Johnson]

No, I don't think so. I think he's, he's let you let it rip. Yeah, absolutely.

[Angel Reese]

That's awesome.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

I love that because you're, I mean, your trick plays are very fun to watch. And they're, they're, they're like, I mean, back to that Jared Goff one. That was, that was an insult play. We can just say it right now. That was an insult play to have fake, fake fall down and score a touchdown. But it was damn cool.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

I had to be like, damn, that was pretty damn cool.

[Ben Johnson]

I appreciate it.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Made it come to life.

[Hank]

Was it on Thanksgiving or it might have been the, the other time you guys played the Bears where you just had Penne Sewell just stiff arm like four guys. Was he, was he planning on throwing that ball or was designed just have him run over as many Bears as possible.

[Ben Johnson]

In hindsight, it should have been that because that was fun. But no, he threw the ball probably half a dozen times the previous three weeks in practice. Dimes every single time.

[Hank]

Oh, wow.

[Ben Johnson]

Dimes every single Time. Put it right on the money. On. You're talking about 330 pounds, running probably 15 miles an hour to his right and throwing it right on the money.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

I don't know if I've seen a more athletic movement.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

[Angel Reese]

Not. Not. It has nothing to do with Thanksgiving. But how are you with timeouts?

[Ben Johnson]

I like to call them.

[Angel Reese]

Okay, but you know when to call them.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. Do you. So you like 30 seconds left, kind of scrambling. You got a time out of your pocket? Maybe. Call it.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. If you need it, you call it.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. All right, that's good.

[Ben Johnson]

That's good.

[Angel Reese]

Clock is important.

[Hank]

I got another coaching scenario.

[Angel Reese]

Go ahead.

[Hank]

At the end of a game, let's say you guys have a lead. I think. I think it might be a two point lead, maybe three point lead. The opponent has the ball around the 45 yard line. 45 yard, minus 45.

[Ben Johnson]

Okay.

[Hank]

And there's, I don't know, like four seconds left. There's two schools of thought on how to defend it. One, you use 11 guys to play defense against the Hail Mary. And the other is you have one of your players flip off somebody in the crowd on the Hail Mary. So I know you're an offensive guy, so maybe this hasn't occurred to you. What would you do?

[Ben Johnson]

You said I don't need to answer.

[Angel Reese]

You don't have to answer this. You know what? I'm gonna speak on his behalf. He doesn't have to answer this.

[Hank]

Okay, that's. Yeah, that's. That's very fair.

[Ben Johnson]

It's just the me gloating worked out well for Washington.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, it did.

[Hank]

And I think it's worked out well.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, that's true.

[Hank]

Everyone involved.

[Angel Reese]

Sliding doors.

[Hank]

We got to interview Caleb on the podcast back in August of last year, and I asked him this question. I'm curious to know your answer to it as well. But if there was a button that you could press, and if you press the button, the Bears would win 10 Super Bowls, but one random Bears fan would die. Would you press that button?

[Angel Reese]

I already gave up my life. So as long as they build a statue, being like, he died for 10 seconds.

[Ben Johnson]

Can I just give a body part instead?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Pinky.

[Hank]

Yeah. Which body part would you say?

[Ben Johnson]

I've got the three kids. My wife is already telling me what okay do next. So I guess we can go.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Testicles.

[Hank]

You didn't have to do both of them. You could have just one.

[Angel Reese]

One's fine. Give us both. All right, I gotta. I got a tough question. For you, would you rather have five Rolls Royce Specters, a beachfront house in Miami or a 100 foot boat?

[Ben Johnson]

I guess the beachfront house. Miami.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. The correct answer was all of them. Because you make $13 million a year.

[Ben Johnson]

Says who?

[Angel Reese]

You can afford all of them.

[Ben Johnson]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Angel Reese]

Allegedly. Yeah. You can afford all those. That's pretty cool, right? That's cool. Here's a question from a friend of a mutual friend of ours. How much do you squat? Oh, I don't know where this question's going. I asked. I asked Jared if he had any questions. He was Jared. This was Jared Goff's question. How much do you squat? So I don't know if you could.

[Ben Johnson]

Say none or, you know, I go ask the ankles.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

So I probably could get 405 right now.

[Hank]

That's pretty good.

[Angel Reese]

That's. You don't look like a guy. Like, that's.

[Ben Johnson]

What do I look like?

[Angel Reese]

I don't know. I didn't know where the answer was going to go. Four or five is pretty insane.

[Hank]

You look like you're built like a steel trap.

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, thank.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Thank you.

[Angel Reese]

Do you squat a lot?

[Ben Johnson]

Okay. Yeah, Once a week.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

405 is legit.

[Hank]

Damn.

[Angel Reese]

Do you get built?

[Hank]

You get in the weight room with the guys?

[Ben Johnson]

No, no. But they've seen me. They've seen me occasionally.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. You got to let them see. See it. Just, just every.

[Ben Johnson]

Now listen, I'm no Campbell or Varel, I can tell you that right now.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, I mean, there's.

[Ben Johnson]

Those guys are awesome.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So he works out in the shower.

[Ben Johnson]

He does.

[Hank]

You're thinking of play. It's actually a perfect microcosm. Really. You're drawing something up in the steam on the glass door. He's over there. Bang out some push ups.

[Angel Reese]

Let's get right into R. There's. There's levels to this. Yeah. Is there a chance that Rome Dunes is going to be in the slot this year?

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

Around. All over the place.

[Angel Reese]

I like that.

[Ben Johnson]

Uhhuh.

[Angel Reese]

Multitudes every.

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Get multiple.

[Ben Johnson]

Same things looking differently and different things looking the same.

[Angel Reese]

I love that.

[Hank]

I've got a serious question. So you. You went back to Detroit a couple times when you had offers to be a head coach elsewhere. You want to make sure that you were ready. You were committed to the team. I thought like, actually probably a smart move. You're not ready to go until you're ready to go. And then the Bears position opens up. Now you go to the Bears and you have to play the Lions twice a year. Did that influence your decision one way or the other?

[Ben Johnson]

No. Listen, I think when you go from coordinator to head coach, you're looking for a great situation, and that's, that's what I felt like Chicago had to offer. I felt really strongly about the ownership. George McCaskey, President, Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, obviously, I felt really strongly about that set up, and I felt like we could, we could win not only in the near future, but long term as well. But just as a consequence, it ended up being in the division. Is it ideal? Probably not, because I have a lot of love and respect for those guys that I just came from, but. But it'll make a couple Sundays each year a little bit more fun.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, it will. Yeah. In terms of play calling, you're going to obviously call plays, but you're also going to be the head coach. Have you, like, how does that work? Is that. Are you not worried about it? But it's obviously a difference because you're. You're now worried about the whole team, but also calling the plays. Have you talked to anyone who does that? I know Sean McVeigh still does that. Some other guys. Have you talked to anyone who does that and, like, try to figure out, all right, this is what it's going to look like, this is how it's going to be.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, I experienced it when I was in Miami. Gase was the, was the head coach and he was calling it. And listen, what I've done, what I've tried to do at least when, when bringing all these guys together is what are my strengths and my weaknesses and trying to shore up all my weaknesses. So I know on game day I'm going to have a lot going on. And that's where having Dennis Allen in the building and on the sideline is going to be huge relief, because he's been there, he's done that. I have a lot of trust in what he can do on that side of the ball. Richard Hightower is a. Is a carryover coach for special teams. He's got a lot of skins on the wall, highly respected special teams coordinator. And then there'll be a. There'll be a game management portion that's up in the booth. That, that'll have to be my. My eyes up top to. To help navigate some of those processes so that we don't fall into some traps there at the end of the game.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, because I'm always just amazed when guys do that. Like when they show Sean McVay sitting on the sideline, he'll like, sit on the bench calling up the next plays. Like. But you're also the head coach, but again, we're dumb, so.

[Ben Johnson]

Well, it's all about the people you put around you. Yeah, it's. That's what it comes.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. 28 guys you have on your staff?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, we got, we got a great mix of, of experience and, and energy and I think idea guys. So I, I feel really good about where we're at.

[Angel Reese]

Are you an acronym guy? Do you have an acronym? No.

[Ben Johnson]

No acronyms.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. Love that. Love that. Great answer. That's a great dog guy. Not an acronym guy. Love that. Okay. The center position, I would assume, I mean, you're going from. Obviously, the Lions had an incredible offensive line. Bears are in a transition, trying to figure it out. How important is the center for your play calling and your designs and what you're trying to do?

[Ben Johnson]

I would say it's less about me and it's more about the quarterback. So with Caleb being a second year player and everything that that entails, he still, I thought he had a productive first year in terms of exposure of a lot of things that can go on. But to help him out the most here going forward, I do think we need a strong presence at center, smart player that can help set the table from the run game and pass protection perspective.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Do you feel like your mastery of offense gives you a better insight as to how to like, lean in and give some examples of like to your defense coordinator, some ideas that you can pass along? Be like, hey, if I want to stop this, here's what I would do.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll, we'll have those conversations. And certainly within the division. I already have a good feel with some of these teams in the division. What, what may or may not be good ways to go against those teams.

[Hank]

Do you hate the Packers?

[Ben Johnson]

I don't like the Packers. Yeah, Heat's a strong word, but no, I don't. I don't.

[Angel Reese]

You hate him. What about the, the. You do. You do.

[Hank]

You.

[Angel Reese]

You don't know it yet, but you do. What about this shot at our, our friend Matt LaFleur? I liked it. It was kind of different because a lot of times when a Bears head coach gets announced, they'll be like, we got to beat the Packers. You just kind of threw a subtle one in there. Do you know him at all?

[Ben Johnson]

Not like that. No.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

No.

[Angel Reese]

Oh, I like that.

[Ben Johnson]

No.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. You don't know him like that.

[Ben Johnson]

No, I don't know him like that. Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Did he, did anything get back?

[Ben Johnson]

Like, did he like, listen, it's. It's a friendly rivalry going on, so it'll be fun.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. In 2025, the Bears are 1 and O against the Packers. That's a fact. That's just. That's a statistical fact.

[Hank]

That's a streak you got to keep going.

[Angel Reese]

Only with facts here. That's a fact. All right, so in terms of the draft, in the combine, you. You obviously been to the combine many times, but as a head coach now, like, are you. How much does a combine actually matter? Does it actually, like, is it more just, hey, we got to go watch the tape? This is just kind of an addition to everything we're doing. Or is it like, hey, we're going to try to maybe find a diamond in the rough here?

[Ben Johnson]

It's another tool. So, I mean, it's the first exposure we get personality and football intelligence with the formal interviews. So just another tool. But, yeah, I'd say the end all be all is the tape.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

How many. What's the longest you've gone without watching tape?

[Angel Reese]

Good question. Good.

[Ben Johnson]

That is a good question. I don't know if I have the answer for that one.

[Hank]

Has it been, like, longer than a week?

[Ben Johnson]

It's probably been about a week.

[Hank]

Have you taken a vacation and gone somewhere? You don't bring the iPad?

[Ben Johnson]

No.

[Angel Reese]

Private browser when you're in the bathroom.

[Ben Johnson]

Looking at some tape Incognito.

[Angel Reese]

Money. I swear I'm not looking at tape right now.

[Hank]

But you probably watch a ton, I would imagine.

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Hank]

Like, how many hours a week would you say?

[Ben Johnson]

Oh, shoot, probably 40.

[Hank]

Full time job, grinding tape?

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Angel Reese]

That's crazy.

[Ben Johnson]

I mean, particularly during the season, but yeah, off season, it adds up.

[Angel Reese]

And is it. I mean, I. We're not tape watchers like that. I watched some Twitter tape. But is there moments where, like, aha. Moments that you find in those 40 hours that are just. I would imagine that's why you keep going.

[Ben Johnson]

That's. Yeah, that's where those ideas pop up.

[Angel Reese]

Right.

[Ben Johnson]

You know, last off season about the.

[Angel Reese]

The.

[Ben Johnson]

The laterals, and then we. We had some other cool stuff with lineman splits, moving them around and things like that. So, yeah, you kind of collect that as you're. As you're watching everything.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Big Cat asked you if you ever got reigned in by Coach Campbell, or he was like, that's too crazy. But have you ever had to reign yourself in? Was there a play that you designed and you were like, this is too much?

[Ben Johnson]

No, I mean, the best example would have been that stumblebum play from Jared. I actually wanted him to put the ball on the ground.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

And he's saying.

[Ben Johnson]

He's the one that told me. I don't know if that's the best idea. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, really, the players will start bringing us back down to earth.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

Did you. Did you practice it with him putting the ball on the ground?

[Ben Johnson]

No, he said. He said no way.

[Hank]

Probably smart. That would have been one where if it worked, it would have been maybe the best play ever, but if it didn't work, it would be like, this is the dumbest play ever designed.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you. Do you have a certain amount of shots that you always want to take in a game? Like, you're like, all right, we got to take at least five shots or it's been this long since we've taken a shot.

[Ben Johnson]

Changes each week. Yeah. So it depends on the opponent, but.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. Some weeks you'll say, hey, we need one each quarter. Other weeks, it might be a little bit more conservative than that.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

But, yeah.

[Angel Reese]

I got a play call for you.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah? What do you got?

[Angel Reese]

It's called the fake punt. Punt? Yeah. I can already tell you're intrigued. So you line up for a punt. You fake the punt. Like you're going to run a fake punt. So, like, maybe the guy. The punter catches it and, like, pump fakes, but then he punts.

[Ben Johnson]

I like it.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Because then everyone comes up and then you get a free. You know, if you're trying to get them to not return it, and then you do the fake punt. Punt all season long, and then finally at the end, you actually fake punt.

[Ben Johnson]

It's like the fake flea flicker run.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yes.

[Ben Johnson]

Right? Yeah. But just the special teams. Yes. I love it.

[Angel Reese]

Fake punt pun.

[Ben Johnson]

Now we're talking.

[Angel Reese]

If you do the fake pon pony, be the happiest guy in the.

[Ben Johnson]

Are you coming to OTAS this year?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, I'll be there.

[Ben Johnson]

Okay, good.

[Angel Reese]

We'll install that. I've seen one team do it. I think they did it by accident in college. I think they just screwed up their punch.

[Ben Johnson]

Those are the best ones, though.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. No one returned it. It just rolled down.

[Ben Johnson]

That's right.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

My overall football philosophy is that the check down is always open on the flea flicker. Always. You can get seven yards every time on a flea flicker.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Hank]

Every single time you get the tight end dragging across. Make a whole offense out of that.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I'm also very stupid. I apologize.

[Angel Reese]

Do you like shovel passes? Okay. Why Not.

[Ben Johnson]

It's just been feast or famine.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

I like a little bit more consistency.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

But there's a time and place.

[Angel Reese]

Sure. Yeah. That's.

[Ben Johnson]

I like to dabble.

[Angel Reese]

Keep them off the. Yeah. Sometimes shovel pass.

[Hank]

Do you like fullbacks?

[Ben Johnson]

Yes.

[Angel Reese]

Love that about you. We have a fullback award, which you are more than welcome to have a vote.

[Ben Johnson]

I did not know that.

[Hank]

The Low man trophy.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

We've been doing it for, I don't.

[Hank]

Know, six or seven from Boise State. It. Last year.

[Ben Johnson]

Really?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

How many NFL teams have fullbacks?

[Hank]

Not enough.

[Angel Reese]

Not a lot.

[Ben Johnson]

Probably count them on one hand at this point.

[Hank]

They're coming back, but it's more like an H back where you have to be able to be a fullback and a tight end and a lot of different stuff.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But there's something. I mean, what's your. What are your thoughts on Bear football?

[Ben Johnson]

On Bear football?

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Bear weather, Chicago. Yeah. Bear weather's great.

[Ben Johnson]

It's going to be a weapon for us.

[Angel Reese]

Yes.

[Ben Johnson]

Get some of these dome teams in December and January. Be perfect. Perfect.

[Hank]

So when me and Big Cat watch games, sometimes we just scream at the TV that you have to establish the run. Is that. Is that important, too? Because your math guy, you know that if you run the ball more frequently, you end up winning those games based on the numbers afterwards, which has nothing to do with getting a lead and then running the football to drain the clock or anything like that. But what are your feelings on establishing the run?

[Ben Johnson]

Depends on the week. Depends on the week. That's not. That's not every week. Yeah. And there's different ways to win.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

Y.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Angel Reese]

The choice to come to the Bears, I know you talked about a little, you know, a few minutes ago, but it seemed like it happened pretty quickly. How did it go down? You know, obviously, the loss happens on Saturday night and then Sunday. Did you look at all your options and then wake up on Monday and be like, all right, it's Bears?

[Ben Johnson]

Well, I think it started with having that first round. By the years prior, you know, didn't have the ability to really think through some things. And so we had some time off. And all. All four interviews that I took, I was able to actually think about going into a little bit. And so I had a very good feel that this is the direction I wanted to go. I'm not saying necessarily Chicago at that point, but I knew I wanted to be a head coach this cycle. And then once I got on the interview and it just. It absolutely clicked With Chicago and the leadership group and Ryan. I love Ryan. I felt really strongly about. About that place. And so that's right when that happened, it got off the call, and it's like, this is where. This is where I want to go.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

And so, you know, the season ended in such an abrupt fashion. Give Washington a lot of credit because. Because they did. They earned that. That thing. But, you know, was really planning on. On going deep in the playoffs there and making it to the Super Bowl. So it was a tough way to go out. And, you know, it all escalated very quickly after that. You know, had about 48 hours of exit meetings and everything. And then. And then, yeah, it was. This is what's going on, and let's go ahead and get it done.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. What happens in an exit interview?

[Ben Johnson]

The players come in, they have their physicals, and just to make sure they're healthy, and then they'll meet as a team offense with your position coaches. And then some guys would come. Come by my office as well as the coordinator, and just, you know, what do I need to work on or things like that?

[Hank]

Honest thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

I mean, it's a. It's a. It's a crappy time.

[Hank]

It doesn't seem like a very fun.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah. 31 teams. It's just. It's the worst day of the year.

[Angel Reese]

Was. Was there a part of you when you took the Bears head coaching job where you're like, I'm. I'm losing a little bit of being the hottest name every single cycle. You're like, I'm kind of giving this up because you were. You're the hottest name every. Like, I. Part of me be like, I just kind of want to keep getting talked about like this. Like, you can't get talked about like.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, it wasn't really part of my thought process.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. That would have been part. I would have been like, pros and cons. Like, people aren't going to say that I'm the next genius. You know what I mean? Now I'm gonna have to prove it. I probably would have. I probably would have out and been like, I'm just gonna stay being in the system.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's good. It's good having undefeated as a head coach.

[Angel Reese]

Right. The hypothetical of you as a head coach was incredible. Now. Now you actually got to prove it.

[Ben Johnson]

Well, AI AI AI said two. Ever been wrong?

[Angel Reese]

Ten years. That's facts. That's facts.

[Hank]

I heard that when you. When you did the interview with the Bears, you. You stopped at the last minute and you went back to him and you just said, I want this job?

[Ben Johnson]

Yes.

[Hank]

Is that true?

[Ben Johnson]

Yes.

[Hank]

Is that the only team that you said that to?

[Ben Johnson]

That is.

[Hank]

So that was the. The Bears were the one you had identified. Like, just so you know, this is the one that I'm interested in.

[Ben Johnson]

That's right.

[Hank]

That's a. I imagine a very powerful thing to say at the end of a job interview to somebody.

[Ben Johnson]

I would imagine so.

[Hank]

Right.

[Angel Reese]

Did you.

[Hank]

Did you feel like they. They reciprocated in that moment?

[Ben Johnson]

I think they like that.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right, I got one last question. This has been awesome. Thank you for joining us. Coach Roback. Question. Rho, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take last question. I know I joked about it with the Porsches and the mansions and all that stuff, but did you at least buy yourself something with the new contract?

[Ben Johnson]

No.

[Angel Reese]

You didn't?

[Ben Johnson]

No. Here's what. Here's what happened is we found a house, and then my wife, all of a sudden, she's like, well, I want to redo the kitchen. I want to redo.

[Angel Reese]

All right, so that counts.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

That counts as buying something. Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

That's where. Yeah, that's where it's going initially.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. Okay.

[Hank]

Are you concerned about moving to Chicago? From our personal experience, at least mine, you put on a little weight when you move to Chicago.

[Ben Johnson]

I need to put on some weight. I lose it. I lose it during the season. I was down about 10, 15 pounds by the end of the year. That happens every year.

[Angel Reese]

Is that your stress?

[Ben Johnson]

I. I don't know what it is. Maybe.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

I need that diet.

[Hank]

I don't think that's gonna be a problem in Chicago.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. You keep squatting. 405, man. What do you bench?

[Ben Johnson]

Not. Not nearly as much.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[Ben Johnson]

You know, Norwegian, Scandinavian. So I got the thick lowers.

[Angel Reese]

What. What was your peak squat?

[Ben Johnson]

Peak squat was probably like 455. Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

That's pretty good to still be at, like, pretty close to it.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. How old are you again? 39, 38.

[Hank]

Okay. What about. We're old? Yeah, we're very old. What about peak bench? Where at your max?

[Ben Johnson]

315.

[Hank]

That's still. That's not bad.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah, I can't get there. I'm nowhere near that now, though.

[Hank]

What are you doing on calf raises? Oh, I could crush him.

[Angel Reese]

How many last. Last question. How many Super Bowls you have to win to become more famous than Caleb? Presley, who you went to the same high school. Both went to unc.

[Ben Johnson]

I think you not only have to win multiple Super Bowl. I think you gotta get the trifecta. I think you got to get three in a row.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe have Glenny Balls come and pump up the boys one time. That would be nice on a Sunday morning.

[Ben Johnson]

Yes, yes. I like where your head's.

[Angel Reese]

I got his number. You need a guy, I can contact you for him. Yeah, just eating, but big bowl of ice cream.

[Hank]

That'd be great in the background. Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

In a playoff game, it's like the secret sauce.

[Hank]

You guys, you guys get hard knocks and then you, you give your, like, you know, big fiery first speech of the season. Glenn, he's just sitting behind you in front of the whiteboard, just eating.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Shoveling some rocky road.

[Ben Johnson]

Bad thought.

[Angel Reese]

I mean, it is very funny. You sold us right before that, you. You would watch Sunday Conversation like before games just to kind of chill out.

[Ben Johnson]

As my pregame routine.

[Hank]

What else?

[Angel Reese]

What a world.

[Hank]

What else do you do?

[Angel Reese]

Do? Because would he call this reverse?

[Hank]

I feel like you're all football. What do you do to relax?

[Ben Johnson]

Three kids. Three young kids. I mean. Yes, they keep me on my toes.

[Angel Reese]

What ages are they?

[Ben Johnson]

Eight, five and one.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Ben Johnson]

So, yeah, I got my hands full. It's football and it's family. That's love. That's life right now.

[Angel Reese]

Love that.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

All right, well, coach, thank you so much. Great talking to you. And let's go win some games. I'm staying six out of ten. Excited. That's my.

[Ben Johnson]

That's the limit.

[Angel Reese]

Gotta win.

[Ben Johnson]

Okay. Yeah, you're right.

[Angel Reese]

I said a lot of reckless last summer.

[Ben Johnson]

Okay, let's go win that.

[Angel Reese]

So we're gonna. I, I went and I, I looked at the process. We made some tweaks to the process. We go in and then it gets back to 10.

[Ben Johnson]

I love it. I love it. Let's do it. It's a good plan.

[Angel Reese]

All right.

[Ben Johnson]

Thank you, guys.

[Hank]

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[Stephen Che]

Glutes and lats.

[Hank]

Yeah. I mean, Hank, all due respect, your body's been looking. Right. Thank you. You've been looking fit. Big cat. I've seen you over there working out, getting jacked out.

[Angel Reese]

I've been working out.

[Hank]

Where are you hitting?

[Angel Reese]

I'm hitting squats. I'm hitting bench, doing. Trying to do a mile a day on the treadmill.

[Hank]

That's pretty good.

[Angel Reese]

Yep.

[Hank]

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[Angel Reese]

Okay, guys on Chicks. We have very special Guys on Chicks reader, Stephen Che. Stephen Che is with us in the Combine. His annual make a wish trip. He was like, oh, my God. Todd Bowles down the hallway. Why is he here? It's a combine. You love it.

[Hank]

Chase looking around with stars in his eyes.

[F]

I do, yeah. It's cool to see coaches rubbing elbows.

[Angel Reese]

It is one of my favorite trips that we do with you, although we don't do a lot of trips with you, but you do love the Combine more than anyone. And it's like getting to see it through your eyes.

[F]

It's cool to see guys in the wild, you know.

[Hank]

Yeah, guys in the wild. Indy.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Yeah, he's real wild.

[Hank]

Who's the. Who's the, like, biggest guy? Not physically, but the one that. That you love the most that you've spotted in Indy the last couple years that you've gotten excited about?

[F]

Oh, good question. I was excited to see Bucky Brooks of the Moon the Six podcast. Rich Eisen. I've been a fan for. For a long time. Met him.

[Angel Reese]

Yep.

[F]

Chris Collins.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[F]

We just saw on the way to. To here. So, yeah, all the guys that you see, like, guys that I will watch press conferences for on YouTube for the Bucks, and I get to see them, like, you know, he's not with us anymore. He's alive, but he's with a different team. Casey Rogers, our defensive line coach.

[Angel Reese]

Like, yeah, you know, it'd be cool, Case.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's.

[Stephen Che]

It's a big. It's the biggest week for, like, adults with backpacks. I feel like. I don't know, this hallway, this convention center, it's just.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

Packs of, like, four people.

[Angel Reese]

Remember that time we saw Rap Port in his backpack? It was so big.

[Hank]

He had the little shark backpack, too, on. Yeah. Know. It's a big backpack week. It's a bit. You see a bunch of dudes that used to be in shape are extremely well groomed when it comes to their facial hair, wearing lanyards and backpacks.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, Lanyards. Big Lanyards week. Yeah.

[F]

But this is basically like, my Twitter feed, and, you know what I watch on YouTube come to life.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[F]

So it's cool.

[Angel Reese]

Love it. All right.

[F]

All right, guys on chicks, it's like.

[Stephen Che]

A fan fest, but there's no For Stephen chat.

[Hank]

I do like the description of, like, it's his Twitter feed.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's walking through the hallways, and he's like, oh, this is.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[F]

Wow.

[Angel Reese]

I didn't see Bonnie Blue here.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

Anyway, he got a little uncomfortable with that one.

[F]

I bought my new BF underwear for Christmas because his are old and gross. But I realized this week he hasn't opened the new pack. When I asked why, he said he prefers the old ones because he's already broken in the heat sleeve. When I asked what the heat sleeve was, he said it's a slit in the front. And he calls it that because on hot nights, he'll pull out his package of stick and balls out of the heat sleeve and sleep that way so his balls don't stick to his legs.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[F]

He told me that with the new undies, the heat sleeve is too tight. And he can't get fully comfortable when it's junk's out. Should I leave him now or marry this man?

[Stephen Che]

I sounds like he's got a hammer.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, it sounds like he's got a hat.

[Hank]

I don't know. It sounds like he's also just very horny. I think he takes that out of his. Out of the sleeve every night, hoping that you'll roll over and accidentally touch it.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

There's no real reason to. To pull the boys out.

[Angel Reese]

I didn't think he'd go heat sleeve. I will say in his defense, I'm a big time, like, get a package or get something and just not open it for a while. Like, I just have boxes. I'm just like, I. Especially if I order something online, and I know what it is. Like, I. In my front hall right now, I have, like, a hat and new shoes, and I. I know what they are. I just haven't gotten around to opening. They've been sitting there for about a week.

[Hank]

Yeah, I. I thought with heat sleeve, he was going for, like, you know, guys like to have our ass groove on the couch. Right. We've. We've broken that in throughout the years. When you get a new set of underwear, you have to break that in two.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's like, I know how. How I fit my old stuff.

[Ben Johnson]

Or it could.

[F]

Do you ever get the underwear that just doesn't have a heat sleeve? No, just like a thing where you can pull your dick out in the front.

[Angel Reese]

That would be.

[Hank]

That's a heat.

[Angel Reese]

That's literally what we're talking about. How do you not know about a heat sleeve?

[Stephen Che]

What it was.

[F]

But, like, I have some underwear where there's just nothing there.

[Hank]

Right. You got to pull down.

[Angel Reese]

We're talking about heat sleeves.

[Hank]

You wiggle your penis through it and then you.

[F]

Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Angel Reese]

You just read the. You just read the question about the heat sleeve. We didn't know what a heat sleeve was until you told us. And now you still don't know what a heat sleeve is? How.

[F]

Well, he was saying that it's too tight. I'm saying that there are some that don't even have one.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[F]

Like, it's a wall with no door.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stephen Che]

Let's say you're.

[Angel Reese]

You're.

[Stephen Che]

You got a heat sleeve on, and you're wearing a pants with fly. How often are you actually going through versus never going under, never or over?

[Hank]

I think if.

[Stephen Che]

If it's a. I'm like 10.

[Hank]

It's a big hit. I'LL go through there. But sometimes it's easier to just pull down.

[Angel Reese]

I don't even use my fly because I know I'll just end up pissing on myself.

[Hank]

But then sometimes if you go over the top, it kind of pinches it off a little bit.

[Angel Reese]

And why go balls over the top.

[Hank]

Too, when you put it away? Yeah, you dribble out. You squirt out a little bit at the end.

[Angel Reese]

Well, I dribble on my balls. In that case.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

My big ass.

[Hank]

Nature's hate.

[Angel Reese]

Tiny penis, big balls, side pouch. No side pouch, but I want one.

[F]

Hey, guys.

[Hank]

My people have sex through the heat sleeve.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, definitely Mormons. Oh. What?

[Hank]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Angel Reese]

For sure. Mormons.

[F]

Why would you not just pull the whole thing down?

[Hank]

It's a good question.

[Angel Reese]

Why would you believe that Steve Young's great grandfather was God?

[F]

Who about you? My favorite quarterback run ever against the Vikings. Hi. Hi, guys. My boyfriend's friends are pissed off at him because I made him go out to dinner with me twice last weekend. Valentine's Day weekend. It was for Valentine's Day. The other one was Saturday night, too. His friends say he should just continue to be a bachelor for life. Especially since they claimed he has changed and couldn't even get him to come out to watch USA Skull Canada. Are they overreacting at him? Overreacting him? For the time I am spending with him, yes. I don't understand why. Well, why they were so mad at me for making him miss the hockey game.

[Hank]

His. His buddies love him. And you're a threat.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, you got to give them some. You got to give him a couple big ones. Like, the USA Canada would have been a good one, because then immediately guys are dumb. And if. If your friend is like, yeah, I'm coming out for USA Canada, they'd be like, oh, man, you really are dating a cool chick. I like her. On Valentine's Day, I might try to take a pass at her.

[Hank]

That would be a tough one to explain. Like, why are you skipping Valentine's Day? Well, because there's this tournament that just got created that I care deeply.

[Angel Reese]

You're a hockey fan.

[Stephen Che]

You can. You could make it pass. But to be like, yeah, I got to lock in for USA Canada.

[Angel Reese]

You also, yeah, this is partly his fault. Like, you need to. The sports calendar is set. I think most women know what the sports calendar is. When you have, like, a four nations thing, you need to. You need to do a lot of prep work. You'd be like, hey, listen, there's a tournament Coming up. Because that's not. That's not something normal. That's in the sports.

[Hank]

You gotta say, my country needs me.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. Right.

[Hank]

Yeah. If you're gonna.

[Stephen Che]

If you gotta sound young too.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, I think so. That's a classic.

[Angel Reese]

First one with a. With a serious girlfriend. Yeah.

[Hank]

You're so whipped. You went out to Valentine's Day dinner with your. With your girlfriend.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah. That's crazy. Dude.

[Hank]

That's so gay.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[F]

Going out to Valentine's Day dinner, end of the next day with a new girlfriend is crazy because Valentine's Day dinner, that's gonna run you 200 bucks at minimum.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah. There is Chili's minimum.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

There's a good chance that they like.

[Angel Reese]

Each other, but it sounds like they made it official.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[F]

Space it out.

[Stephen Che]

You've never gone out two nights in a row.

[Hank]

Yes, I have.

[F]

Valentine's Day, like the event.

[Angel Reese]

This is a situation where the guys are going through culture shock. They probably all are single and then there's one guy who's got a girlfriend. You just got to ride the wave. It'll be fine. They'll also feel stupid.

[Stephen Che]

Once again, they're not serious.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Stephen Che]

Even if they are. Yeah. Yeah. That's just how we joke.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah.

[Hank]

If. If you have some girlfriends that are also single, you should introduce them to his guy friends.

[Angel Reese]

Correct.

[Hank]

That way, hook them up. Worlds collide.

[F]

Yep.

[Ben Johnson]

All right.

[F]

How much would you say my boyfriend should. How much say, should my boyfriend have in decorating our apartment? My boyfriend and I are about to move in together to a small two bedroom apartment. He has a plethora of sports memorabilia slash frat boy decor that he claims is non negotiable to be hung in the apartment. Some of these items include a huge canvas of dogs playing poker.

[Angel Reese]

Cool.

[F]

Signed awesome dudes Rock signed Braves baseball bats.

[Angel Reese]

Okay.

[F]

Light up vintage bush light sign.

[Angel Reese]

These count.

[F]

The absolute worst of them all is a four foot bobblehead of Jon Gruden that we thrifted together.

[Stephen Che]

Send it to us. Send it to our office.

[F]

Being in a two bedroom apartment does not give enough room to have a man cave. Should all these items be up in our new apartment together?

[Hank]

I was, I was getting ready to take her side in this. And being like, guy, he probably doesn't want that much space. He doesn't care that much about decorating. Because if you go over to a woman's apartment, especially in college, and compare it to a guy's, it's literally two different species.

[Angel Reese]

Species. I think what you need to do is you need to do the right thing, get him a storage locker and be like, when we have more space, you will have your own space because. But the four, you cannot get rid of. If you make him get rid of the four foot bobblehead, he. That will be a part of his life that will die forever. All right.

[Hank]

By the way, I think cooters.

[Stephen Che]

Wait, now there's one more. The one I texted you. I'll read it.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. I just broke it.

[Hank]

I don't know what I did.

[Angel Reese]

I'm so strong. Shadow Planet Fitness. I'm so strong.

[Hank]

Max, just hold it for him. Yeah, like a fishing.

[Angel Reese]

Well, let's just. Let's just end the show.

[Stephen Che]

What's up, boys and Wally Pit? Max, are wives and girlfriends justified to be mad about your Instagram algorithm? Thankfully, I haven't had to deal with this, but I was just curious what a girl would think if she saw my algorithm is 100% big natural tit same. Love the show. I'll hang up and listen.

[Angel Reese]

No, it's AI.

[Hank]

I think it's just, like, I do.

[Angel Reese]

Click on the tits, though, so I get more tits.

[Hank]

Guys and girls, both. Both loved hits.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, but it's AI. What are you gonna do? I mean, you can't. You can't get mad at technology, right?

[Hank]

Max, what's yours?

[Angel Reese]

Hank, what is yours? Golf.

[Stephen Che]

It's like 80 golf. No, there's some. There's some. There's some tits mixed in, but mostly golf.

[Hank]

So mine used to be. Mine used to be 100 planes and dogs.

[Stephen Che]

The jello.

[Angel Reese]

Look at my tits now. Mine's a lot of tits. Sharks and tits. That's some good stuff right there. I curate it, like, if I see. If I pass by tits, because you got to click on it. That way you get more tits. All right.

[Hank]

I haven't checked this.

[Angel Reese]

It's like a. It's like a bottomless coffee cup of tits.

[Hank]

It was. It used to be planes and dogs. Now it's dogs and football. I think I'm living right.

[Angel Reese]

Yeah, no, you can't get mad at technology. Take it up with Elon or Zuckerberg. That's not his fault. Just you like what you like. Also, it's. It's good to know that they're just. What is. What is yours?

[Hank]

Here's his. Mostly Blutman.

[Angel Reese]

Okay. All right. So what you said Blutman. Yeah, it's just a lot of Blutman.

[F]

NBA shoes. There is a title.

[Angel Reese]

You say shoes or Jews?

[F]

Shoes.

[Angel Reese]

Shoes.

[F]

I mean, some of the people probably.

[Hank]

Statistically, and Blutman and Blutman all right, Kanye.

[Angel Reese]

Che.

[Ben Johnson]

Yeah.

[Angel Reese]

You can't get mad. You can't get mad at us for that. That is just technology. The phones are smarter than we are. And we like tits. That's all you can do. Hand up, hand up.

[Hank]

I love racks.

[Angel Reese]

Shout out, Nadu, if you caught me.

[Hank]

Do I not bleed?

[Angel Reese]

All right, let's kick it to ourselves. We got lottery ball back in studio. All right, numbers, 5, 3, 4.

[Hank]

Interesting hack.

[Angel Reese]

Are you going back up the line?

[Hank]

61, 99, 78, 21, 90, 93, 93. Love you.