Dan Orlovsky, Week 15 Picks And Preview, Bucs Horrendous Loss On TNF, Sherrone Moore Fired At Michigan + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take – “Dan Orlovsky, Week 15 Picks And Preview, Bucs Horrendous Loss On TNF, Sherrone Moore Fired At Michigan + Fyre Fest Of The Week”

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Guest: Dan Orlovsky

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Overview

This jam-packed episode delivers classic PMT energy and humor as Big Cat and PFT debate and break down the biggest NFL headlines after Week 15’s Thursday Night Football, dig deep into the Bucs’ meltdown, unravel the wild Sherrone Moore situation at Michigan, and preview the full Week 15 slate. ESPN’s Dan Orlovsky swings by for a candid “talking ball” segment, followed by the infamous Fyre Fest roundup and the group’s weekly picks.

The crew toggles between sharp football analysis, hilarious tangents, memorable quotes, and the kind of sports talk and banter you won’t hear anywhere else.

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Episode Structure

1. Thursday Night Football Recap: Bucs’ Loss and NFC South Drama
2. Kyle Pitts’ Emergence and Falcons Takeaways
3. Fantasy Football, Flowers, and Patriots-Falcons Banter
4. Todd Bowles’ Rant and Bucs’ Coaching Woes
5. Sherrone Moore Fired at Michigan: Timeline & Fallout
6. Week 15 NFL Picks and Gambling Preview
7. In-Depth Game Previews (Bills-Patriots, Ravens-Bengals, Others)
8. Dan Orlovsky Guest Segment – Quarterbacks, Shotgun Offense, and More
9. Fantasy & Fyre Fest of the Week

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1. TNF Recap: Bucs’ Horrendous Loss, Kyle Pitts Resurrection, and NFC South Implications

Main Points:

• Kirk Cousins torches Bucs again (11:58 passing yards, 11 TD, 1 INT over 3 games) — “Kirk Cousins might have another hundred million dollars... if he could just play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.” (Big Cat, 02:13)
• Conversation turns: Bucs are “in deep, deep trouble.” (“They’re in doo doo.” – PFT, 02:39)
• Playoff simulator used to clarify: Panthers-Saints outcome directly sets up a possible NFC South clincher the next week—a “T-shirt and hat game” (Big Cat, 03:51)

Notable Quotes:

• Big Cat (03:51): “That’s crazy, dude. I didn’t realize that’s a T-shirt and hat game. If the Panthers win on Sunday…”
• PFT (04:23): “It’s like this is what we thought we were getting [with Kyle Pitts]. We were hoping for… a lot more of this over the last five years…”

Timestamps:

• 02:13 – Kirk Cousins/Bucs stat drop
• 03:51 – Playoff simulator/NFC South clinching scenarios
• 04:46 – Kyle Pitts signs with the Chiefs “first-team All-Pro” prediction

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2. TNF Takeaways and Falcons Talk

Discussion:

• Kyle Pitts has a monster statistical night, prompting fantasy football and Falcons fan grievances
• Falcons win despite 19 penalties — “That’s so hard to do.” (Big Cat, 11:04)
• “Every time Bijan gets the ball, he makes two guys miss... It wasn’t up to our defense. It was up to him.” (Zach, 06:46)

Memorable Quote:

• Big Cat (06:50): “Honestly, this game pisses me off.”
• PFT (06:53): “It pisses me off for the Falcons. This is what should have been happening with this team…”

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3. Fantasy & Patriots/Falcons “Flowers” Banter

• Debate over which fans “should” be more annoyed by Pitts’ night—Falcons or fantasy football opponents
• Brief shifting into birds/bears/Patriots rivalry jabs (“I just hope the Bears make the playoffs or…you start lashing out…” – Hank, 08:01)
• Power Ranking “Flowers” discourse leads to confusion and a running joke about who’s giving whom flowers (08:12–09:44)

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4. Bucs Coaching Chaos: Todd Bowles’ Postgame Rant

Events:

• Zach (Bucs fan) asked honestly about Todd Bowles: “Supposed to be this defensive guy and you just see our defense be non-existent.” (11:31)
• Play and replay of Todd Bowles’ expletive-laden postgame.
  • “You gotta fucking care enough where the shit hurts. You gotta care enough where the shit hurts.” – Todd Bowles audio, quoted 12:19

Hosts’ Reaction:

• Riffing on coach postgame speeches, everyone piles on Bowles for rare emotion—“If you’re gonna be unprofessional, at least give it a real go.” (Zach, 13:22)
• Extended, raunchy improvised “locker room speeches” lampooning Bowles (15:15–16:24)

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5. Sherrone Moore Fired at Michigan: Timeline, Fallout, and Conspiracy

Summary:

• The hosts react in real-time to the Michigan firing breaking:
  • Moore fired for cause after a third investigation
  • Within an hour, he’s in jail for further allegations
• Multiple theories discussed:
  • Did Michigan time it post-signing day (with recruits locked)?
  • “My spidey senses… If they’d done it the day after the OSU loss… this is weird.” (Big Cat, 21:38)
  • “I think they might have known the relationship was happening. But they didn’t know it was going down a dark road.” (PFT, 21:13)

Quotes:

• PFT (21:13): “It sounds like it really went down a dark road.”

More:

• Speculation about the “Michigan Man” aura—Big Cat says it “is kind of not real” (22:49)
• “He deleted all his texts with Connor Stallions because he was just so upset…”—Hosts agree this may become relevant for NCAA investigations (26:29-27:03)

Timestamps:

• 18:32 – Breaking timeline
• 21:38 – Conspiracy/Timing theories
• 26:29 – Connor Stallions “flipping” speculation

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6. NFL Week 15 Picks & Deep Game Previews

General Tone:

• Extremely playful, stats-heavy, and rife with in-jokes about betting, fan pain, and QB “torches”
• Analysis and laughter intermittently

Example Key Matchups Discussed:

Bills vs Patriots

• Patriots as home underdogs despite being “way better than the Bills.”
  • “The torch has been passed — and that’s it. It does NOT get passed back.” – Hank (33:27)
• Heavy banter about who holds “the torch” of AFC East supremacy—and what criteria can “un-pass” it (recurring, 32:21–36:21)

Ravens vs Bengals

• Concerning Joe Burrow quote: “If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it…” (45:53)
  • “It gave me Andrew Luck vibes.” – Big Cat (45:55)
• Lamar Jackson’s record: an absurd 15–0 in Weeks 15–18 in his career, when healthy (52:23)
• Ravens’ red-zone problems (“They’re 30th… that’s bad.” – Big Cat, 53:17)

Chiefs vs Chargers

• “Trap game of all trap games” for the reeling Chiefs—Chargers are sneaky, Chiefs “no reason to think they could do this,” but line screams Chiefs cover (55:02–58:55)

Other Topics:

• Russell Wilson/Jalen Hurts debate goes nuclear online; hurt feelings, national media callouts for “not knowing ball” (74:52)
• Eagles “No Boo” radio campaign and sports talk meltdown (78:12)
• “Stanford Steve” deadpan “duh” jokes for obvious coach-speak quotes (41:13, 67:21)

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7. Dan Orlovsky Interview: Ball Talk, Quarterback Insight

Highlights:

• Orlovsky names teams that can actually win the Super Bowl—Rams, Seahawks, Packers, Bills, Broncos, Texans (“they’re that good defensively”), Patriots (with some caveats)
• Honest breakdown of Sam Darnold’s regression: “He’s starting to do things that get QBs in trouble—he’s just not getting in trouble yet. Eventually, he will.” (Dan, 122:16)
• On Caleb Williams’ growth: “He’s absolutely stopped creating problems for himself... he’s playing more in structure, rhythm, and timing.” (Dan, 129:20–132:29)
• On being an NFL QB and critics: “I don’t get caught up in it anymore. I played 12 years…there’s only a handful of guys who’ve done that.” (Dan, 137:28)
• “Shotgun runs stink!”—Orlovsky offers a technical explanation of why running from under center is superior, validating years of PMT-style couch shouts (145:04)
• “Animal Champion Warrior Legend”—Dan explains his over-the-top compliment for Justin Herbert: an old high school mantra for “real dudes.” (149:01–149:42)

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8. Fyre Fest of the Week: Sick Cars, Sick Kids, and Booster Blankets

Sample Fyre Fests:

• Hank is “getting banged by the auto industry”—paying for repeated, unresolved tire fixes (162:45)
• PFT had to use a “booster blanket” to sit higher during a commercial shoot (166:12)
• Big Cat: “Everyone in the office is sick. I’m just waiting to get hit right at the start of break.” (171:24)
• Zach: Classic Barstool mayhem trying to move dead-chevy vans in the office garage (173:32)

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9. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You gotta fuckin’ care enough where the shit hurts.” – Todd Bowles (12:19)
• On “coach speak” and the relentless sports talk cycle: “If you have to win enough games, you’ll make the playoffs… Duh.” (41:13)
• Big Cat, on being a Michigan Man: “I’m starting to think the whole Michigan Man thing is… kind of not real.” (22:49)
• Dan Orlovsky on critics: “I’m gonna respond to a lot of the stuff on the Internet with ‘I’m 1 of 412 [300-yd passing QBs]’—see who gets it.” (160:43)
• PFT (146:44): “Running the ball in shotgun stinks. Using shotgun all the time stinks.”

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10. Funniest & Most Memorable Exchanges

• “If you’re gonna be unprofessional, at least give it a real go.” (re: Todd Bowles, Zach/Big Cat, 13:22)
• Extended riff on the “top vagina” coach speech parody after Bucs’ loss (15:15–16:24)
• Fake locker room speeches riff on “the head vagina,” “top vagina in chief,” and “put a tampon in my mouth and we still couldn’t get a stop.” (15:38–16:24)
• Muted, awkward “No Boo” Eagles radio campaign (“The loads are going to be… Peter Northropes of boos”) (79:02)

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11. Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:13] – Kirk Cousins Bucs stat drop
• [03:51] – Playoff scenario simulations
• [12:19] – Todd Bowles’ infamous “where the shit hurts” rant is quoted and riffed
• [18:45] – Sherrone Moore firing at Michigan, break news and reaction
• [32:21] – Patriots-Bills “torch“ discussion begins (“The torch has been passed…”)
• [45:53] – Joe Burrow’s “do I want to keep playing?” quote
• [52:23] – Lamar Jackson’s undefeated late-season stat
• [122:10] – Dan Orlovsky lists NFC/AFC SB contenders
• [137:28] – Orlovsky on criticism of his NFL career
• [145:04] – Under-center vs shotgun run game
• [160:43] – Orlovsky: “I’m 1 of 412”

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12. Final Takeaways

The PMT crew brings the full spectrum—football breakdowns, ridiculous jokes, off-the-cuff bits, and a crucial guest for midseason perspective. The Thursday Night Football debrief is uproarious and brutally honest; the unraveling of Michigan’s latest scandal is topical and sharp. Through Dan Orlovsky, listeners get real QB insight on everything from why shotgun running is overrated, to what’s next for storied franchises. All this before the signature Fyre Fest goof-off and picks.

First-time listeners will laugh, learn, and marvel at elite sports banter. Experienced PMT fans get classic segments with bonus depth—and plenty to send around in group chats.

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End of Summary

If you need a condensed “just the picks,” further quotes, or a separate Orlovsky Q&A summary, just ask!

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

On today's pardon My take presented by DraftKings, it is the week 15 picks in preview. We also have our good friend Dan Orlovsky on the show talking ball. We're do fire fest. We're going to talk about Thursday night football. Also a little oopsie in Michigan in Ann Arbor going to get into all of it. And we're brought to you by our friends at game time. We're a few days into the 12 days of game time, which means they're giving away prizes every day with a $5,000 grand prize at the end. If you still have not entered, go to 12daysofgametime.com it is free and only takes a few seconds. This season, game time is celebrating the moments that made people fans and they have been enabling those moments for the past 12 years now. Max, first concert actually.

[Max]

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[Big Cat]

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[Dan Orlovsky]

Aw, martin. My tank. Yeah, martin. Might take. Yeah, part of my take.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Part of my take.

[Big Cat]

Welcome to Pardon my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, December 12th, and Kirk Cousins is back.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he him?

[Big Cat]

I'll tell you what. Kirk Cousins might have another hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars contract if he could just play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Because in the last three starts against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he is thrown for 11:58 yards, 11 touchdowns and one interception. A throwback night. And the big story here is the Bucks are in deep, deep trouble.

[PFT Commenter]

Doo doo. They're in doo doo.

[Big Cat]

They are not good.

[PFT Commenter]

With a win over the Saints on Sunday, the Carolina Panthers can make next week's game a clinching game.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If the Panthers beat the Saints this weekend. I think that's true. You might want to double check I'm.

[Big Cat]

Double double check for you because I feel like that might not be true.

[PFT Commenter]

But I've been wrong before. I. I ran it through the playoff simulator.

[Big Cat]

Then you should be right.

[PFT Commenter]

But we should probably double check Playoff simulator espn.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I went back to my main. Because I. I branched out. I sampled the fruits of the other pies and I thought, you know what? Let's go back to home base. Let's run the football ESPN playoff simulator. They haven't changed it in 15 years. I know how to use that one. I'm pretty sure that if the Panthers beat the Saints this weekend in New Orleans, that makes next week's game, which I believe is in Charlotte against the Bucks. That would be for the NFC South. Wouldn't matter.

[Big Cat]

You're right. I'm running it through the simulator. Yeah. Now, is there anything with the. The common opponents or anything. Anything like that? No.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

That's something I didn't do because I only did the Bucks and the Panthers games. So.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what it looks like to me. Could be wrong, but it's a. It was a big loss for the Bucks tonight and we got the Kyle Pitts game.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy, dude. I didn't realize that's a T shirt and hack game. If the Panthers win on Sunday against.

[PFT Commenter]

The Saints against Shuck. Against Shuck has something to say about that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Kyle Pitts. I. Okay, so who. Who is most mad tonight? The people who started the fantasy football playoffs against Kyle Pitts or Falcons fans that Kyle Pitts is now going to go off at the end of his fifth year right before he's a free agent.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. 100% Falcons fans.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like this is what we thought we were getting. We were hoping for a lot more of this over the last five years from Kyle Pitts.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

And he, he does it in front of a national audience in a game where we're already eliminated from the playoffs. And now he's going to leave and probably get paid. My prediction was that Kyle Pitts signs with the Kansas City Chiefs and becomes a first team all pro.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. By the way, remember that. Remember that chart we had before the season? Kyle Pitts is one touchdown away from realizing that.

[PFT Commenter]

From doubling it again.

[Big Cat]

No, no, not doubling it. He goes one more.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, one more. Okay.

[Big Cat]

He had one touchdown his first year. Two, three, four. He has four right now. If he gets five. I predicted that Kyle Pitts will have the greatest year of any tight end of ever in year 20 in the NFL. Yep. He'll have 20 touchdowns.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a fact. He had a game tonight that actually hasn't been done by a tight end since the mid-90s. Okay, so the last NFL tight end to score three touchdowns and 150 yards receiving. Can you guess who it is?

[Big Cat]

Wait, say it again.

[PFT Commenter]

Last tight end to score three touchdowns in a game.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank is right.

[Big Cat]

Shannon Sharp.

[PFT Commenter]

It was Shannon Sharp. I think it was 96.

[Big Cat]

That makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

When he was on the Broncos, Sharp was a problem. He was a prize. Still might be the.

[Big Cat]

The big. The big thing, though. The Bucks just. They. They stink. I mean, they. This is what I struggle with, with the Bucks because the cream school jerseys were nice. The Falcons throwbacks were nice. I hated the cream school line of scrimmage line. It got me very confused a couple times. You're like, oh, is that a first? Oh, no. He just got back to line of scrimmage. Zach, they're bad. And the thing I always struggle with, with a team like the Bucks, they have good players, but they're bad.

[Zach]

We're not in a good spot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

10 a bucks. 9 a good spot.

[Hank]

Confirmed.

[Big Cat]

Because they're. They're. I mean, they have Baker, they have Tristan Worfs, they have Godwin Evans. Mike Evans is back. He was awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

He was great.

[Zach]

The Falcons are objectively not a good football team. And they had a bajillion penalties tonight.

[Big Cat]

19 penalties.

[PFT Commenter]

It was. It was part Kyle Pitts, part Kirk Cousins, and part Bajan, who had an awesome game. Again, like every time he gets the ball, he will make two guys miss. He gets like nine yard yards over what you expect based on, like the screenshot of when he catches a pass in the flat. He's going to go nine more yards than you think he's going to go.

[Zach]

He just ran as far as he decided to each play. It wasn't up to our defense. It was up to him.

[PFT Commenter]

And honestly, this game pisses me off.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

It pisses me off.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

For the Falcons.

[Big Cat]

Oh. As they're gonna say.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, for the Falcons.

[Big Cat]

What? He keeps. Max keeps pulling it up.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Max]

That. I wasn't gonna talk about it.

[Big Cat]

You're literally. You just keep clicking in and out of it over and over.

[Max]

Well, yeah, I wasn't gonna talk about it.

[PFT Commenter]

Max is forcing us to talk about the fact that the Patriots have now beaten one less team with a winning record. Max is forcing us.

[Big Cat]

He literally just keeps pulling it up.

[Max]

I was just curious. I was just curious.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, that's good. Producing. But also, I Didn't that, Max? Yeah, I'm trying to give the Patriots their flowers right now. Shout out Kirk Cousins 300 yards today.

[Big Cat]

375.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Patriots. What'd I say?

[Big Cat]

He's giving the Falcons their flowers.

[Max]

The Falcons are.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm saying I'm trying to move on and not get so anti. Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Who's getting. Who's getting flowers? Patriots.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm giving the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're giving. Yeah, I think you were about to give the Falcons flowers.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, I. We're doing two different. Max are interrupted with the change to the. To the Bucks record and then the Patriots game.

[Big Cat]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And I told Max, I don't want to see that because I'm trying to turn over a new leaf.

[Max]

That was very rude of me.

[Big Cat]

I just.

[Hank]

I just hope that the Bears make the playoffs or like, you know, don't just like the bed down the.

[Big Cat]

Wait. I had nothing to do.

[Hank]

Because all that happens with this podcast is that your guys. Teams go to and then you just lash out at the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Wait, hold on.

[Max]

Hand up. Hold on.

[Big Cat]

No, hand up. It's ugly.

[Hank]

So I'm saying I want you guys to play well so that you don't start lashing out.

[Big Cat]

That's clear. I understand. I understand what you're saying, that I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

Not lashing out at you.

[Big Cat]

What Max was doing right there, he had the Patriots schedule up and he kept clicking open to the Bucs box score over and over.

[Max]

I don't think that's.

[Big Cat]

Open and then back. I think open and then back.

[Max]

I think I did it two times.

[Big Cat]

It was like a flashing light in front of my.

[Max]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, Max, it'll. It'll break your heart to realize that I don't think the bills can drop below 500. I think that ship is sailed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think they have their nine wins.

[PFT Commenter]

The Patriots have clinched a win over.

[Big Cat]

A winning opponent, the Falcons flowers.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I. What? I was going to say.

[Big Cat]

Sad.

[PFT Commenter]

I was. I was going to say it pisses me off. Watching the Falcons win pisses me off when they have bijon and they've got Kyle Pitts going off and it's like this. This is what should have been happening with this team for the longest time. Like, I'm. I'm. I'm sad. What am I. I'm not sad. I'm upset. For Falcons fans, you must just be pulling your hair out watching this team play well because you're like, this is. This is what we'd expected. This is what we thought would happen when we have. They had the two best players on the field tonight.

[Hank]

Also, the Panthers have a winning record so off.

[Big Cat]

Oh, gosh.

[Max]

That's true. That's a good point.

[Big Cat]

That's good.

[PFT Commenter]

You're still thinking about that rent free.

[Big Cat]

I didn't think about it.

[PFT Commenter]

Imagine if Rent Free Max is rent free in your hat.

[Big Cat]

If the Saints, Bears and the Eagles like fall off and don't make the playoffs and Hank has the only playoff. Team. It's just like a gang of haters.

[Max]

It's still unlikely, but it's. It's possible.

[Big Cat]

It's not impossible.

[Max]

It's not impossible because the Bucks are out.

[Big Cat]

Like, I mean.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't think. I think the Panthers are better than them. I really do. And again, it's. It's crazy to watch because it's kind of similar like what you're saying with the. With the Falcons Works the same for the Bucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When you watch the Bucks play like they have Bucky Irving, they have Abuka Godwin, Mike Evans, Vita V. What? They just can't play defense though. They can't play defense and their offense is not. Their offense wasn't the problem tonight. They just can't play defense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You know what else was the problem? Maybe I. And I did love the creamsicle jerseys. Those aren't fumble recovering jerseys. No, they're not. They're not.

[Hank]

We had the.

[PFT Commenter]

They're not get down in the mud jerseys.

[Big Cat]

The. The mutual. Whatever it was simultaneous.

[PFT Commenter]

Simultaneous control the ball. Fumble recovery by Kirk that. If I was a Bucks fan, I'd be mad about that.

[Big Cat]

The refs had a bad night. I feel like we got no explanation on half the penalties. The Falcons had 19 penalties. Think about that. Like the Falcons had 19 penalties and they won the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's so hard to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I'll kept talking about that other game where it was the Raiders and the Raiders. Bucks, right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Raiders had 23 penalties that night for 200 yards.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And they won that game against the bucks back in 2016.

[Big Cat]

23 penalties to 6.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach, can I ask you. This is an actual assignment for you, so you have to be 100% honest and truthful. What are your honest thoughts about Todd Bowles?

[Zach]

I just think Tabo is supposed to be this defensive guy and then you just see our defense be non existent. It's. I don't know what's going on there. It's bad.

[Big Cat]

It's bad. TA Bowls dropped F bombs. Seven of them. Seven.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's listen. It's inexcusable. You don't make excuses. We. You gotta fucking care enough where the shit hurts. You gotta care enough where the shit hurts. We gotta mean something to you. It's more than a job. It's your fucking livelihood. How well do you know your job? How well can you do your job? Well, you can't sugarcoat that. It was in the excusable and there's no answer for it as far. No excuse for it. That's what you tell them in a lot. Look in the fucking mirror.

[Big Cat]

Okay, wait. It's got. It's got a fucking matter. Wait. Where the shit hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What was that quote? It's got a.

[PFT Commenter]

To the point where the shit hurts.

[Big Cat]

Like, wait.

[PFT Commenter]

You gotta fucking care enough where the shit hurts.

[Big Cat]

You gotta fucking care enough where the shit hurts. That's just me after a Super Bowl Sunday in the office. That's the Monday morning. The shit hurts. It does. I sit on the toilet and the shit hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want to speak for you, but if I was a Bucks fan and I heard Todd Bowles say that, I would. I would be unhappy with Todd Bowles.

[Zach]

Tubbles chooses right now to evoke a little bit of emotion and speak his mind. Tubbles never gives us any emotion. He's an emotionless head coach for the most part.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which I. I don't really enjoy as a fan. Like, he never gives us anything like this. And for him to finally decide to, like, try to explain. Explain how he's feeling, we never get that.

[Big Cat]

He didn't.

[Zach]

I think a lot of this loss is on his shoulder, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

In a demonstrative way.

[Zach]

He wasn't even good at it.

[Big Cat]

It's like auto. Auto.

[PFT Commenter]

A robot that you tell you speech to text.

[Big Cat]

Also say dirty words.

[PFT Commenter]

Todd.

[Big Cat]

Unprofessional. Like, I. Kids are watching.

[Zach]

But if you're gonna be unprofessional, at least, like, give it a real go.

[Big Cat]

Let me stop you right there. Don't be unprofessional.

[Zach]

Agree. I agree. But in the off chance you decide to be at least, like, give it a shot.

[Big Cat]

Who's gonna have that take?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just thinking about the journalist. And there's a lot of words that you can't print in a newspaper that he said.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So they're getting no copy from him.

[Big Cat]

Apologies to all the people listening in their car with their little kids. If you heard Todd Bowles say, it's got a matter till the hurts, we're sorry because we don't condone mattering till the hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

And Santa's not getting what?

[Big Cat]

Oh, I thought you were gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I thought about Santa. Santa's not getting Todd Bowles the playoff appearance this year. Because he's not. Because he used bad words. Naughty Zach. I was saying that I wouldn't like it because it seemed like Todd Bowles, the one time that he chooses to be emotional, he's, like, throwing his entire team under the bus.

[Zach]

Under the bus? Yeah. He's selling them out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like, these are his guys.

[PFT Commenter]

If you can say all that if you're a coach and be like, and I suck, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It starts with me. That hurts where I. That hurts. Now.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna have to get a brand muffin tomorrow because this hurts hard.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, what would you say?

[Max]

I'll be so bad. I would be so.

[Big Cat]

All right, Max, if you lost that game and you were the head coach. Hey, Mr. Delente. What do you. What do you say to the guys in the locker room?

[Max]

No, I can't do it.

[Big Cat]

No, come on. What do you. What do you say to the guys?

[Max]

I don't wanna. I don't want to scare anybody.

[Big Cat]

No, no. Say. What do you. Big cat. For part of my take, Coach, what do you say to the guys? It's in.

[Max]

It's unauthentic. If I were to do it right now, it. I can't do it. I can't do it.

[PFT Commenter]

But you almost got to that point where it would be authentic just thinking about it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You just. So you said, oh, my God, I can't do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Imagine Sirianni giving this after the Charger, like. Yeah.

[Max]

After the Chargers game. Yeah, well, that would be different because I would be super.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Just try to put yourself in that mindset.

[Big Cat]

I would just say Jalen hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

Just had every turnover possible. There's a positivity bunny in your locker room.

[Big Cat]

I'd say we just lost a Kirk Cousins and he's a million years old. All due respect to Kirk Cousins, he Bald out. But our guys are a bunch of. And it starts. It starts with me. I'm the head vagina. God. You gotta take you guys. I'm the head vagina. It starts with China.

[Max]

It starts with me, but these guys suck.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's what I.

[Zach]

That's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Let's be honest. Listen, I'm the coach, but these guys suck.

[Max]

No one cares. All they care about is tweeting about getting the football and their snap face and their snap face and trying to.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Do speaking fortune cookies. Let's worry about winning football games and play good football going forward.

[Big Cat]

Yes, yes, yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And I'm top. Vagina.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And I'm top. And I'm.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And it starts with me.

[Big Cat]

I'm top.

[Max]

Number one vagina.

[Dan Orlovsky]

But these guys.

[PFT Commenter]

It's me, Todd Holes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Vagina in chief.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And guess what? We can't. We. I could put a tampon in my mouth and we still couldn't get a stop.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's me, Todd Holes. Head, head, top, head.

[Big Cat]

Vagina.

[PFT Commenter]

Vagina.

[Big Cat]

In queef.

[PFT Commenter]

In queef.

[Max]

Sorry to all the kids.

[Big Cat]

Sorry all the kids. All right. That was. Yeah. That was our Thursday Night Football recap. The. The Bucks are bad. I. Do you know what I'm saying, though? When. When, like. Because, like, Baker is good. I love Baker. I think he's very injured. They have all these guys and there's been. They had the swoon in the middle of the season where they played really good teams, but now it's just like. Yeah, I think they're just bad. They just lost to the Falcons and the Saints, the two teams at the bottom of the NFC South.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You can't.

[Big Cat]

The worst division in football.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think you can say they're good right now.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

They need. They need a pass rush. Jpp.

[Big Cat]

Oh, jpp.

[PFT Commenter]

I was disappointed JPP wasn't out there tonight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They. It was. It was a bad loss. Bad loss for Tampa Bay and now the Carolina Panthers. The prophecy is one step closer.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. One step closer.

[Big Cat]

Panthers hosting a playoff game.

[PFT Commenter]

Who would go. Who would go visit the Panthers right this second?

[Big Cat]

I believe. I think it's going to be the loser of the Rams. Seahawks.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Most likely.

[Hank]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Or maybe the Niners. I don't know. Nfc. Everyone. Everything is up for every. Every team is one game away from each other.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Except for this division where they're just. But, hey, they're gonna make it. How many people are gonna say, we gotta get away from the divisions?

[PFT Commenter]

I think Notre Dame should be in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

The Panthers hosting a playoff game. No. You know what? Fuck it. I love the divisions. Sometimes it goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. But the divisions, it's fun that if you can start the season, you're like, if we win our division, we're in the. We're in the playoffs and we get a home playoff game. Good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They should matter.

[Big Cat]

And that's. And that's. Speaking as a guy, roots for a team that would be higher up if the divisions didn't matter right now. But I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, that's just the historic rivalries. They matter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it just. That that's. They should matter. Okay, last thing before we do our week 15 picks and preview Michigan. Oopsie. That was quite a day. Surehan Moore, head coach of Michigan, gets fired for cause. So the alleged affair with his executive assistant, and then within like an hour of him getting fired, he was in jail. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Scary.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

So don't really know exactly what he did. There's a lot of reports out there. I'm not 100% sure about what's true, what's not true. Yeah, but it sounds like he went over to her house, threatened her, threatened himself, and then the cops picked him up and he's in. He's in jail right now. It's not. That is very shocking. That part's very shocking. But the story of him being fired I don't think is super shocking.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think there was enough rumors and smoke out there for a while.

[PFT Commenter]

So. Rachel Hotmire reported that his firing as a result of Michigan's third investigation into his alleged conduct with women, per sources within the program. They were. They said earlier today that the. The university did a investigation of him earlier this year and somebody tipped them off to this relationship. They both denied it at the time, and then they closed the investigation. Then they were given more information today, and that's. Or yesterday, and that's why they acted yesterday. But, yeah, according to this report, it's actually the third time that they looked into it.

[Big Cat]

So they kind of knew, and then we don't know. So the story. I mean, there's two. There's two competing arguments or not arguments, but theories here. One is, I think probably what happened is that what they're telling us is that they looked into it, both denied. What can you do there then? Although you probably could. You're Michigan. This is kind of like all these schools, like, you could find out, yeah, there was something going on.

[PFT Commenter]

Somebody probably asked the question, what if they're both lying to us?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you probably could have figured it out. But the theory is. Or what Michigan is saying is basically, they looked into it. Nothing happened then. Then something changed in the last 24, 48 hours where it was made apparent this was definitely a fact. Then they fired Sean Moore. Then there's a lot of people on college football, Twitter and in the. In the college football world are saying, well, this is weird that it happened right after signing day. So they're able to keep all their signed players. And would this have happened if they had beaten Ohio State and been in the playoff? That's just a question that's being asked. That's not where I'm not. I don't actually believe. I actually believe. I kind of believe that it probably was, like, came to a head in the last 48 hours.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they. They. They might have known that the relationship was happening.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But they didn't know that it was a going down a dark road.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

It sounds like it really went down a dark road.

[Big Cat]

And the firing, like, it actually does hurt Michigan in the fact that this is a firing after all the coaches have been hired. Right. And you're, like, very close to the transfer portal, so it wouldn't make tons of sense to do it right now if they'd done it, like, the day after the Ohio State loss.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Then my spidey senses would have been picking up and been like, whoa, this is weird. This feels like something they knew about and they're using it as an excuse. I think it's just hit the fan in the last 48 hours, and it really hit the fan.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree with you because I was talking about it earlier with Dave, and I was talking about it with. With T. Bob, and. And they were kind of going back and forth, and a lot of people think that they waited until after national signing day so that the recruits could not leave. I think the recruits still can leave, by the way. I think there's. There's a rule in place where they can still make a choice to. To not attend that university anymore if something changes. But, yeah, putting themselves so far behind the rest of the country in the coaching surf search, that's something that I feel like they would, if they knew they were going to do it.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

They would have probably done that before national signing day.

[Big Cat]

They would have done it a week.

[PFT Commenter]

To get the coach that could then, in theory, retain their recruiting class. Right, Right.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, the whole thing is very, very messy. Yeah. I did. I did throw out the theory. I was asking questions. Dave's gonna sue me.

[PFT Commenter]

He said no, he's gonna sue everybody.

[Big Cat]

He's gonna sue me for infringement of the Michigan man. I was just simply asking the question.

[PFT Commenter]

Harass again, man.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna say. I'll say this. I'm starting to think the whole Michigan man thing is.

[Zach]

Is.

[Big Cat]

Is kind of not real.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

I just listen, and we. And we like both these guys. So I can say this, and I'm not. They. They obviously have nothing to do with this, but I do. In times like this, think of Rich Eisen and Adam Schefter and just them, like, being like, God, Damn it. We're Michigan men.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

How could this happen?

[PFT Commenter]

I've been thinking about Chef all day today. I have also. Shout out right now. Shout out to Chef. He sent very nice Christmas.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Really nice.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a cashmere king.

[Big Cat]

I need to text him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But, yeah, I.

[Hank]

That was the pullover.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I didn't know where that came from. I have a note in mind. I was confused. That makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very soft.

[Hank]

It is so soft. Thank you, Adam.

[PFT Commenter]

If I. I think I own three cashmere items, and I think they're all from Adam Schefter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What a guy.

[PFT Commenter]

He knows, but, yeah, he's.

[Hank]

I was so confused.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got to be in hell right now. Rich. Rich Eisen makes me laugh thinking about him.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Because it's like. It's like. What do you mean, the Michigan man? What? We're Michigan man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

How have we had all these controversies? We're Michigan men.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There's really no escaping this one.

[Big Cat]

No, this one was bad. Really bad. So where do they go from here? I do not know. I think they should have. Well, we do have interim. I'm going to bet Michigan in the bowl game because it is going to be Biff.

[PFT Commenter]

Interim Biff.

[Big Cat]

Biff is. Biff is a guy who can win a bowl game.

[PFT Commenter]

He'd be a legend. I. I pitched cannons. I pitched this cannons to Dave. Dave didn't bite on it. But I. I mean, there's a coach out there that coach for the New England Patriots. He's won a Super Bowl. He's a great college coach. Proven national championship winning college coach. Pete Carroll. Why not Pete Carroll for Dave? I think that would be a good fit.

[Big Cat]

I don't know who they're gonna hire. Brian Kelly would obviously be the funniest.

[PFT Commenter]

Brian Kelly would be very funny.

[Big Cat]

Would be the funniest of, like, just because Michigan and Notre Dame hate each other. And just having that Dave having to become a Brian Kelly guy would be very, very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. The name I thought about was Bill o'. Brien. Bill o' Brien was a. A what?

[Big Cat]

Did you see how his football team played this year?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know there's that, but it's really bad. But also, he was. He was a very good college coach in the Big Ten for Penn State. He took over the program when there was actually after. Yeah. A very large scandal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then when he coached for the Texans, Aran actually told me that Bill o' Brien was his favorite coach. The best. I believe that offensive mind that he ever played for.

[Big Cat]

I just don't know Michigan. I feel like they can't. They can't hire a coach who, who I think, what they win two games this year? I don't even know. They were just non competitive.

[PFT Commenter]

They weren't good.

[Big Cat]

They're gonna get someone. They're gonna get. It is funny because Michigan men are now going around being like, you call everyone you can. You. You even see is the ink dry on the Matt Campbell deal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You call. You call Kaylin Deborah, you call Dan Lanning. It's like, I. I don't know, man. This is. Seems like a pretty messy situation you're walking into.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Kaylin DeBoer might pick up the phone.

[Big Cat]

Well, Larry Ellison money.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Would make you want to pick up the phone.

[PFT Commenter]

There was a. An untraceable jet that took off from Yani to fly down to the airport that is closest to Nick Saban today. You got to make him say no.

[Big Cat]

My only question is untraceable.

[PFT Commenter]

Untraceable. Meaning. Meaning that they don't. They don't publish the. The tail number.

[Big Cat]

My only question is.

[Hank]

Feels illegal.

[Big Cat]

What? And. And obviously there's a dark side of this. So we're not making light of the dark side of this. Like, I hope the. The girl's okay. I feel bad for Sean Moore's family. He's got three kids. That part is. Is bad. Like all the. That part is bad. My. The thing that I'm interested in and this will be answered far down the line. Is there a chance to run more talks about Connor Stallions?

[PFT Commenter]

Because you a lot like he flips.

[Big Cat]

Well, remember, that'd be very.

[PFT Commenter]

Sharon Moore is meeting with the police right now and they're like, okay, tell us about what he did, what you did today and yesterday. He goes, I'll tell you everything about Connor.

[Big Cat]

I know this is not the, the top of the line of, like, storylines, but like that, that has to. There has to be people in the Michigan building right now that are thinking like, oh, this is. This could get bad because he was involved in all of it. And remember he. He deleted all his texts with Connor Stallions because he was just so upset that a guy like that could be associated with the program.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he was furious.

[Big Cat]

He was so furious he deleted all the texts.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, well, when you're a guy like Sha Moore and there's somebody that's putting the entire program in jeopardy, you just want them completely.

[Big Cat]

You.

[PFT Commenter]

You say, no, sir. You're. You're supposed to be a Michigan man.

[Big Cat]

When I Get mad at someone. I delete all the texts with them. Yep. Oh, I'm so fucking mad. It's gonna delete every time I ever talk to you.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think Kaylin DeBoer would pick up the phone. Obviously. He's got his hands full right now with the playoffs. I think also Dillingham would pick up the phone.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. And Michigan will be fine. Overall, I don't. This isn't like a program ender. It's a. I mean, the other part of this and this is. Again, there's bigger stories here, but, like, it wasn't really that good of a coach, so he's like. And he probably was going to be on the severe hot seat this year. You wish this shit hadn't happened. But there's probably a sect of Michigan fans are like, okay, well, this is just. The stuff is ugly, but this is going to happen next year anyway. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But you do wish that this had come out, you know, a month, two months ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Was there a rumor that he was texting during the.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a lot of rumors out there. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. He. That'd be crazy.

[Big Cat]

There was.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll just say.

[Big Cat]

That would be crazy. There was an only fans model who said that he slid into her dms. I followed her on her Instagram just to. I'm covering the story, so I might as well know every angle. Yeah, you got to.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't.

[Big Cat]

We got to do our jobs.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I'm that way with. With Jerry o'. Connell. Whenever he sends me an Instagram lady, I assume that the profile has. With fantasy football, so I'll follow her.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

What about pizza?

[Big Cat]

Pizza? What about a chicken parm? We haven't done chicken parm.

[PFT Commenter]

Chicken parm's good.

[Hank]

What about like a 12 foot sub?

[Big Cat]

12 foot sub will be good.

[Zach]

And we.

[PFT Commenter]

We eat it from the outside in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What was that?

[Max]

I actually love when, when we do that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was a good sign.

[Max]

Yeah, no, I was gonna. I was gonna do my salad bit again, but then you said chicken parm sub. That we like those big like, like 12 foot chicken parm sub.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Max]

That's like my favorite lunch day that we do.

[PFT Commenter]

Do they make duck parm?

[Big Cat]

Sure.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think I've ever heard of duck. Duck. Shut the up max.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

I'm very thankful for one thing, Big Cat. The fact that you have not done the thing that you've done in the past where you tell me the fraction of how far through the season we are, but it's because I don't want to think about it.

[Big Cat]

But I also.

[PFT Commenter]

But once you say the number 15, it's impossible to not notice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I didn't warn you this year. I was conscious of not warning you because I know you don't like when I do it. But I thought about it in my head when we got to like week nine and then. But week 15, like, it's it. We're in. We're. We have as. As many regular season weeks left as we do playoff weeks. So that's like. We're in the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. We got some clinching stuff going on this weekend.

[Big Cat]

We also have a very funny slate of no buys. Obviously buys are over, but we have a very funny slate of some really good consequential games and then some 13.

[PFT Commenter]

Point spreads, which I'm okay with. I'm okay with having, you know, a few very, very important games. I think there's. There's a couple games this weekend where we've got two teams that are vying for the one seed that are on massive winning streaks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That are both underdogs.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

This weekend.

[Big Cat]

So let's start with it because we have the Bills and the Patriots. That is probably going to be tv. Got tv. Got to be TV one. Bills. Well, the only other one would be Ravens, Bengals. But I agree. I think this is TV one.

[PFT Commenter]

This is it. This is a big matchup.

[Big Cat]

Bills, patriots, patriots are one and a half point underdogs. Over. Under is 49 and a half. Did you know, Hank, that in their matchups, Drake May is 3 and oh against the spread versus Josh Allen.

[Hank]

I did know that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty good.

[Big Cat]

He's the only QB3 and oh against the spread or better versus Josh Allen. Now, that's obviously not straight up, but he did beat them straight up earlier this year, which feels like forever ago, but that was also the moment that.

[Hank]

If the torch was passed.

[Big Cat]

The torch was passed. Do you think there's a chance the torch gets passed by back?

[Hank]

That would not happen if the Patriots lose. The tor. Torch is not getting passed back.

[PFT Commenter]

You've been very consistent about that. Because I've been. I. I agree with the cat. I think that the torch could get passed back.

[Hank]

That's just not how it works.

[Big Cat]

How does it work? Explain it to us.

[Hank]

The torch has been passed and that's it.

[Big Cat]

It's over. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So the torch is going to die with Drake May.

[Big Cat]

So if the bill.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what.

[Hank]

That's how it happens.

[Max]

Memes has got something to say.

[Hank]

Think about the Great Wall.

[Big Cat]

Joe Melton won that game. Joe Milton. So it's like.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good point.

[Big Cat]

It's like two enough. Two zero.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a great.

[Hank]

We're talking about the torch passing game.

[Zach]

Memes, I apologize.

[Big Cat]

I apologize.

[PFT Commenter]

You're Right. But Hank, no, the torch will have to be something.

[Hank]

Remember Lord of the Rings when they have to like light the light the beacon and it goes from like boom to boom to boom.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I remember the boom to boom to boom.

[Hank]

Like you, it doesn't get passed back. It just keeps going. Drake May has a torch and then it will go until he pass it to someone else.

[Big Cat]

But wait, what happens if the Bills. So this game is a T shirt and hat game for you guys? Yep. The Bills. If they win this game and then the Patriots catch. If the Bills have to win out and the Patriots have to catch another loss. I think they would. Do they have the tiebreaker? Because it would. I don't know what the tiebreaker.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not sure how that tiebreaker.

[Big Cat]

I. I think it would be. The Bills are technically still alive in conference record. Would it not be.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that the first one and the Bills.

[Hank]

This is things losers worry about. I'm not, I'm. I'm not even thinking that.

[Big Cat]

We're trying to figure this out. How the Bills could still win the. They have a hard, hard road to win the AFC East. I'm just asking if the Bills could win the AFC east, would you still say the torch was passed? If it was incomplete, by the way, conference record, it would be to the Bills because they have one NFC loss. The Patriots have. Would this would be their third AFC loss and then saying like they lost the Ravens or something.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What is it? The tiebreaker for the AFCs comes down to head to head record, then division record, common opponents and conference record. Oh, so actually it would actually be Patriots if they have end up with the same because the Bills lost to the Dolphins. Huh. So you guys are going to win the afc.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, if the Bills won, I think you could say that it was a premature call of the torch passing on your part.

[Hank]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that what you're saying? No, but it can't go back. What if the Bills beat the Patriots and the Bills win the division?

[Hank]

If they win the division, then we can have the conversation. But that's not going to happen.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, but is that conversation going to be the torches going back to Josh Allen or I up. I was wrong in saying that the torch was ever passed.

[Hank]

It would be that the. I fucked up. I was wrong. The torch was ever passed.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So Hank, I want to tell you something. I'm moving on from the Drake May 300 thing.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Even though I think he's probably going to do this weekend. But truthfully.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Truthfully, I looked into it, the stat doesn't really mean anything at all. It's an arbitrary number. He's averaging like 280 yards a game or I think it's like 265, but he's averaging a whole lot of yards per game. So who really cares if you go past 300? The number doesn't mean anything. I'm done trying to pick apart Drake made to make myself feel better because I was looking into the Patriots. Well, I'm being.

[Big Cat]

No, I know, I know. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. This is it.

[Max]

There has to be.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, no, no, there's not.

[Big Cat]

I'm on the edge of my seat for the rest of this.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I, I'm just, I'm super impressed with the Patriots this year. I think that the Patriots. Mike Vrabel is a great coach. He should be coach of the year. Mike Vrabel, he's got his team playing for the first seed, the top number one seed in the afc and the last time he did that was with the Titans back in 2021. So I, I, I compared the two teams because I was like, there a lot of similarities here. The quarterbacks, you got 2, 6, 4, 220 pound guys. Ryan Tannehill, Drake May. Tannehill incidentally only threw for over 300 yards once that whole season. Again, showing you 300 doesn't which make a difference. Drake May could still do that, which he still could. And Tannehill was an awesome quarterback that year. He was. People were talking about him like this guy is the future. He's the real deal. They both have Harold Landry at outside line. Oh, wow. Wow. Same guy. They both lost the first game of the season and then overcame that, went on a little tear. Both great defenses against the run. The Patriots allow 4 yards per carry. That Titans team allowed 3.9, which by.

[Big Cat]

The way, just as a side note, this is, I feel like Milton Williams being out is the, this might be where it pops up because James Cook wasn't going to pop up against the Giants. This could be the game where James Cook goes, you know, has a very nice game.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Bills have the number one rushing offense in the league.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but keep going.

[PFT Commenter]

So, okay, so overall, the Titans were the second best run defense. The Patriots are the third best right now. Passing defense, you guys had the edge on that one. You allow 6.8 yards per pass. The 2021 has his eyes closed, allow 7.1. So you've got, you've got the edge on that one.

[Big Cat]

He's Fake sleeping.

[PFT Commenter]

The Titans, they had 23 rushing touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

He's now got a score.

[PFT Commenter]

20, 21. The Patriots are on pace for about 17. The Titans average 21 first downs per game that year. Great offense. Patriots average 20 first downs. So they're very similar teams. And it goes to show you that Mike Frable is the one commonality. He's a great coach. I will never not believe in a Mike Frable team. He's shown that he can do it back in 2021. The Tennessee Titans got the number one overall seed in the AFC that year. And I think what the Patriots are doing this year, it's going to be the same. You're going to get that top seed behind the leadership of your great head coach, Mike Vrabel. And so I'm done being a hater.

[Big Cat]

Great.

[Hank]

That's great news.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm done being a hater.

[Hank]

Thank you for that.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Thank you for your endorsement.

[Big Cat]

What happened with that Titans team?

[PFT Commenter]

I actually didn't look up and see. I just said, I remember that they.

[Big Cat]

Got all those stats. One number one seed. They must have won it all.

[PFT Commenter]

They lost their first game to the Bengals in the playoffs that year. But that's. That's irrelevant of what I'm trying to do, big guy. I don't know why you have to be negative about it.

[Big Cat]

I was just asking a question. Yeah, I. I remember. I bet the Titans in that game and Tannehill threw those three picks and it was just like, how does he keep throwing those picks?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, you got to do in the playoffs. That's the thing. It's like regular season. Great. Do it in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. By the way, the bills are since 2020, they're 19 and three in the month of December. So they get. They're one of these teams. We talked about it last week with the Packers. They're one of these teams that gets better late as the season goes along. And Josh Allen is four touchdowns away from 300 career touchdowns, which would make him the first player ever to hit 300 touchdowns before the age of 30.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty crazy. That is. Yeah. How do you feel about this game?

[Hank]

I think the Patriots are going to win, but if we're being honest in the trust tree, it's just a hard conversation. The fact that they are underdogs. There's. There's like five of what feels like the biggest sucker underdogs on the board this week. Patriots, again, if I remove my bias from the situation, would be one where they're playing so Good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Their 10 game win streak, MVP quarterback, great defense at home against a team they already beat. That's not playing the best right now. They should be favored. The fact that they're not is scary.

[Big Cat]

Everyone's going to look and be like wait, oh, the Patriots are way better than the Bills. They're underdogs.

[Hank]

Smash. The Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Smash it.

[PFT Commenter]

Is this almost never the Big Ten championship game where whichever team wins that guy's more likely to get the mvp. What like Big Ten championship game? I think Stafford, the winning quarterback, he's saying the Heisman for the Heisman.

[Hank]

But Josh, it's not between the.

[Big Cat]

Josh Allen's back in it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Josh Allen is definitely 1 2.

[Big Cat]

Stafford, they're not 1 2. But Josh Allen. It was the Patriots.

[Hank]

Rams.

[Big Cat]

I would say yes, it's Stafford right now. Drake May Jordan love Josh Allen. Those are the four.

[Hank]

So now bad comparison.

[PFT Commenter]

But between those two, I would say that whoever wins this game might have a better chance.

[Big Cat]

Duh.

[Hank]

Duh.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you got done pretty much what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

You got dud. Pft. Damn.

[Max]

That was a good duh. We needed, we needed that.

[PFT Commenter]

The dough was solid.

[Hank]

If one of these quarterbacks plays good and their team wins the game against.

[PFT Commenter]

The other one in a head to head matchup. You dumb. It's not how.

[Hank]

That's not how it's met.

[Big Cat]

No, you don't.

[Max]

Do you think Saiyan and Mendoza, you think that game mattered for the Heisman?

[PFT Commenter]

I think it mattered a little bit.

[Big Cat]

I think what PFT is trying to say is that whoever wins this game is going to end up finishing second to Matthew Stafford and mvp.

[Hank]

The Matthew Stafford and Drake may have been flip flop and they're. They're week by week. Obviously Drake made it play last week.

[Big Cat]

But it's really going to be. It's the dumb. I actually hate that this is how awards have worked in football now because the Heisman coming down to the Big Ten championship and being like whatever quarterback wins the MVP in the NFL is just whichever quarterback has the one or two seed. That's really it. It's not really much more than that. So. Which is kind of stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

So Drake May. You said that he would go to 30 against the Bills.

[Big Cat]

He is 30 right now. Against the spread. Against the spread.

[PFT Commenter]

And then Joe Milton was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The quarterback last year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, they started but yeah, Drake May started and then got hurt in that game. So it starts 30 against spread.

[PFT Commenter]

The Bills on defense have been very good against the past. Christian Binford. Here's a crazy Stat about Christian Binford. He allowed zero catches to Jamar Chase. He was matched up with him 16 times. He has now held Chase Ameca, Abuka, DK Metcalf, and Drake London to a grand total of zero receptions this year across all those receivers.

[Big Cat]

He's also the only player in the NFL this season with two interceptions, two sacks, and two defensive TDs.

[PFT Commenter]

And they were back to back, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I'm excited. I don't think Joe. I'm excited to see Josh Allen. He hasn't played in a game like at Foxborough and in these circumstances where, you know Foxborough is gonna be rocking.

[Big Cat]

It is. It does feel like should be a night game.

[Hank]

This game should be Sunday football.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Whatever. I think like if the Patriots had lost, this is really obvious, but if the Patriots lost the first matchup, I would, I would like the Patriots in this game. But the fact that they won it, it's like, I just, I think these, when you have two really good teams in division, they feel like they, they split.

[PFT Commenter]

But.

[Hank]

Yeah. And this is, you know, why, like when you asked me about the teams I'm worried about, it's, this is the reason where it's like, Josh, this is a proven team. The Bills are a proven, successful juggernaut team. Patriots want to get there. This is a game. But it's going into it. It's, it's, you know, I'm not at it, like 100% confidence. This is definitely a win for us.

[Big Cat]

If you lose this game, will the sky be falling a little bit?

[Hank]

No, it depends. It's similar. It's, it's, it's, it's the same comparison. I'd say to the, the Bears packers, where it's like if it's a close loss that can be built upon. But if it's a blowout, sky might be, you know, there might be some cracks in the sky and, and, but, but I don't think it's because like.

[Big Cat]

That pack the Packers Bears game last week, I said after the game it was a good loss. But if the Bears had continued to play like they played in the first half, in the second half, it would have been a little sky, right? Because it would have been like, whoa, we're not even close.

[Hank]

But you just need. Yeah, you need worst case scenario. It's got to be close.

[Big Cat]

I do think it's supposed to be.

[Hank]

And they have to be in the fight and fighting.

[Big Cat]

Can I flip my advisors pick to the over in this game? I would like to officially, I don't Know. All right, so I'm saying this before advisors comes out. I. I've thought about it more. I cannot bet the might be snowing. I can't bet the under in a Drake May versus Josh Allen game. So I'd like to. I'd like to formally flip that.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think that one and a half points for the Bills.

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That does seem a little fishy, doesn't it? Very, very fishy. Like somebody knows something.

[Big Cat]

Stu might know the score before it happens.

[PFT Commenter]

Somebody might know something about this one.

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game. So official prediction.

[Hank]

Patriots pie, too.

[Big Cat]

Well, give us a score.

[Hank]

34, 32.

[Big Cat]

Oh, definitely over then. Yeah. Gotta hit the over good. Live over.

[Hank]

That's actually terrible. 32 is insane. Number. Whatever.

[Big Cat]

What? 34.

[Hank]

34, 31.

[Big Cat]

Oh. So pages by three. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game. Ravens minus two and a half. At the Bengals over under 51 and a half. Are we a little nervous about Joe Burrow's comments in the press this week? Where. I don't. I don't want to guess how he's feeling, but, yeah, it gave me some Andrew Luck vibes. He said, if I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. I've been through a lot. It's not. If it's not fun, then what am I doing it for? There's just a lot of things going on right now. I. That was. When I saw that, I got instantly bummed out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. I was pretty bummed out about it. I was like, you know, Joe's a thoughtful guy. Sometimes he takes a while to think through his answers, and he doesn't feel rushed up there. And his cadence isn't always, like, the most gregarious or outgoing, so maybe I'll give him the benefit of a doubt. And then I saw it was also on his birthday that he said that, and he. He did seem very bummed out. For a birthday. Yeah. That didn't seem like a birthday attitude from Joe. Then everybody started pulling up all the stats of how much he got hit over the years, compared it to Andrew Luck, and it's a pretty comparable. Comparable rate. I think he's gotten sacked more than Andrew Luck despite having played way less games than him.

[Hank]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's taken a toll on Joe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I don't know if it's a unique problem to Joe Burrow. I would actually be surprised. I would. If you were to ask, like, every NFL player, do you have fun playing football?

[Big Cat]

Well, I think winning is fun. That's the problem. Is he. I think that this. This doesn't get said if. If they're. If they're nine and four, not four and nine.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, I would say there's probably parts of the job that are not fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. A lot of the job, I think, probably would be anytime you lose and then every. Every season, except if you win the super bowl, you just leave and. And you feel super bummed out for, like, three weeks.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

So I. I hope that Joe's doing okay. I know that he's, like, he's a very confident guy, so if he's actually not having fun, he'll just. He'll feel like he's comfortable making the decision. Saying, I'd like to not play football anymore.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But it bummed me out.

[PFT Commenter]

It did.

[Big Cat]

But I don't. I don't want to see Joe. I don't want to lose Joe Burrow before. Yeah. I just don't. I like watching Joe Burrow play football.

[PFT Commenter]

I do, too. And there's. I mean, also a possibility that he could just not like playing football in Cincinnati.

[Big Cat]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And other people have had that same thought over the years. Other quarterbacks have had that same thought.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

So that could also be part of the equation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The Carson Palmer. Yeah. If you wanted to go Carson Palmer instead of. Instead of the Andrew Luck vibe to it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But it did bum me out hearing him talk like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Big time. Lamar, he hasn't looked right, but I actually think he played better in the second half against the Steelers. And I'm thinking maybe. And Lamar is one of those quarterbacks similar to Josh Allen and the Bills. Like, he gets better as the season goes in terms of regular season. He gets better as the season goes longer and longer. And like, in the end of the seasons, he usually picks it up a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

To a certain extent.

[Big Cat]

To a certain extent.

[PFT Commenter]

And then it goes too long.

[Big Cat]

And then it goes too long. But they. The. The Ravens right now are in a situation where I think if they win on Sunday, they then control their own destiny. Is that right?

[PFT Commenter]

I think so. They could also win the AFC north at 7 and 10. Yeah, that's a possibility, too. If they beat the Steelers. They could. So they could get there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So it's. You know, the Ravens have had a weird season that hasn't gone well, but they're still right there and they have everything in front of them.

[PFT Commenter]

You're right, though. Like, Lamar does not. He doesn't look right, and he's not nearly as fast as he has been. I saw a stat that was like, in in the weeks before he got injured this year, he was running at an average of like 15 miles per hour when he had the ball. And now it's down to 11 miles an hour.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I think after the season's over, we're probably going to get that, that classic, like hockey players do this a lot or LeBron James does this a lot. Right. When the season's over, we're going to find out that Lamar Jackson, like didn't have a hamstring this year.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And he's going to have to just like be immobilized for, for about a month.

[Big Cat]

That all makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, I did our, our weekly hit with the Pittsburgh Radio people on Wednesday morning and they had a guest in studio. Do you know who that guest was?

[Big Cat]

Who?

[PFT Commenter]

It was Gene Steretor.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Which. We should have him on the show.

[Big Cat]

We should have him on the show.

[PFT Commenter]

I like Gene, but I did not know that he was going to be on there. But I had the opportunity to press him a little bit about what happened in that Raven Steelers game. And, and Gene was saying they applied the rule correctly, but it's a shitty rule.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And I disagree with him on that because I think that likely continuing to extend the ball should count as a football act.

[Big Cat]

I'd agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Because yeah, he didn't initiate the football act after the second foot came down, but he continued doing the football act. He was already doing.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know, it's more of like a philosophical thing. But then I asked him, has the NFL considered doing the ACC model or the EPL model where they go to replay review and you get the entire behind the scenes aspect of it where you get to hear the guys talking about what they're looking at, how they're evaluating it. And he was like, the NFL is never going to do that because they like having a little curtain there.

[Big Cat]

They don't want to see how the sausage gets made.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't want to see how. I think his words were. You don't want to see the guy that looks like he's a 13 year old with an Xbox controller. Yeah. That's controlling the replay on that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And he also confirmed that, that Butterworth is a real guy. Mark Butterworth is a real human being. But I also got the vibe from him that maybe the, the actual on the field refs don't necessarily respect the replay refs.

[Big Cat]

They don't respect Butterworth.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, the first thing that he said was, yeah, I mean, he's, he's great at his job. He was Never a real ref. Never spent time on the field actually refereeing the games. But he's very. But he's very good. And those replay guys are very good at doing the replay. So I feel like there's a big.

[Hank]

Beef between a bunch of button pushers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you got the analog refs and the digital refs. And I don't think the analog refs have any respect at all for the guys behind the screen.

[Hank]

Screens.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're playing video games back there. We're out here. They look at themselves like NFL players look at themselves.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And then the guys behind the screen, that's like the fantasy refs put a jersey on.

[Hank]

They haven't seen the field on a Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They don't know this. They don't know games environment.

[PFT Commenter]

You've never been in a locker room.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're nerds. Sitting in their mom's basement watching NFL games.

[Hank]

You never check for PSI before a game.

[Big Cat]

You've never gotten. Yeah. Rolled over by a running back going to the sideline, by the way. So obviously Joe Burrow beat Lamar Jackson on Thanksgiving night, but Lamar Jackson is 6 and 2 overall in the series. Here's the Lamar Jackson set that I was looking up. That's crazy. Lamar Jackson. Anyone want to guess what his record is? Weeks 15 through 18 in the regular season. There's a straight up record 15 through 18. Weeks 15 through 18.

[PFT Commenter]

Trying to think how many years he's played. I'm going to say he is.

[Big Cat]

It's 15 games.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Because he's been injured some of the years.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's 13 and 2, 8 and 7.

[Big Cat]

He's 15. Zero.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

15 and zero. Weeks 15 through 18. No, that's. It's pretty crazy. Now there's. Yeah, there's some years that he did get hurt and had a couple. Like the. What year was it? I think there was the 2021 season. He had a loss in week 13, a loss in week 14, then got hurt. So he didn't play weeks 15 through 18. He had two losses there. So. But that is pretty crazy when he's playing. It's pretty nuts.

[PFT Commenter]

And the Ravens are always the team that starts out super injured and then they get healthy as the season goes on. Backs against the wall.

[Big Cat]

The one thing with the Ravens that is, you know, the Lamar Jackson has not looked great. And it's also the red zone offense. So the red zone offense for The Ravens in 2023 ranked seventh, so 61.8%. So when they get in the red zone, they score a touchdown, 61.8% of the time. Last year they were first 74.2%. This year they're 30th, 44.9%. So worse than half. Half the time they get in the red zone, they do not score a touchdown. That's bad.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Really bad.

[Big Cat]

That's where the. That's where you can say that things have fallen apart and. Yeah. I'm still kind of buying Raven stock, but I just. I don't know. They're just a weird. They're a weird team this year.

[PFT Commenter]

You have them on a watch list right now?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm watching. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think. You think there's any possibility we would see John Harbaugh leave and go to Michigan?

[Big Cat]

I do not. It would be cool.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd be cool.

[Big Cat]

It would be cool. I do not, though, but it would.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think that John Harbaugh is going to stick around in Baltimore if they don't make the playoffs? If the Sea. If, if they lose out?

[Big Cat]

I feel like it's just. They're the. I can't. I feel like Tomlin and Harbaugh, package deal. I know that sounds really stupid. They coach different teams. No, I'm saying, like.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm saying it's gonna be like when. When a 89 year old. Yeah. And dies and then a week later her husband dies.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They're gonna leave at the same time. Naturally.

[Big Cat]

But it's all. It's. It's going to be more so like if the Ravens fire John Harbaugh, the Steelers are going to be like, oh, we didn't know we could do that.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't.

[Big Cat]

And then. And then they'll do that with Tomlin. So one of them's going to make the playoffs. So I don't. I think both will survive this year.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Steelers are actually waiting for the Ravens and Harbaugh to move on. It's like a point of pride.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like, no matter what, we're going to keep them.

[Big Cat]

We want this.

[PFT Commenter]

He's going to stick around for at least a week after Harbaugh is gone.

[Big Cat]

But I. Yeah. I think both organizations don't even realize you can fight.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So next game is another big one. So these are the three big ones that we'll have in prominent spots on the TVs. Chargers, the Chiefs. Chiefs minus five and a half over, under 40. One and a half.

[Hank]

Trap. All three. Three traps.

[Big Cat]

I. I was going to say I. I love the Chiefs in this game. And I'm saying that from a point Of I'm not someone who's been chasing the Chiefs every single week. Last week, actually, on our best bets, I had the Texans. I liked the Texans last week. I thought that was a game that made no sense to me that there were. Texans were going to be within a field goal no matter what, they end up winning outright. This feels like a huge trap. Everyone watched the Chargers win on Monday night. Everyone watched the Chiefs lose on Sunday night. Now the Chargers are getting five and a half points. Huh? Chiefs by two touchdowns.

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty crazy because the Chiefs, it is. It's a must win. If they lose, they could be out this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. No, they're. They're out.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not. It's not that crazy to be, like, mathematically eliminated. If they lose and the Bills beat the Patriots, the Jags beat the jets, and the Texans beat the Cardinals. Well, if they lose, then the Chiefs as of Sunday will be eliminated.

[Big Cat]

And even if they lose, they won't technically be eliminated, but they will be eliminated pretty much. Because, like, if you look at who's playing who, the Texans have a couple of games that they should definitely win. The. The Chargers have, I think, a game or two that they should. I think they played the. The. Well, the Broncos might not start anyone week 18. That's actually what it's all gearing up to, which kind of sucks that the way the Chiefs can get into the playoffs. They obviously have to win on Sunday and they need the Chargers to lose another game and then lose to the Broncos Week 18. Yeah. But there's a good chance the Broncos could be, whether they're the one or two seed, wherever it may be, they could be set in their seating, not play anyone. And you know, the Broncos would love to not play anyone to keep the Chiefs out of the play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So if. If Kansas City even wins out, if they win all their games, right now they're at a 46 chance to make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Because it's all about that Chargers Bronco.

[PFT Commenter]

Because it's all about what happens at the end of the season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like the Charger. I was. Look, I was playing with the machine the other day, and the Chargers, who I believe. Who do the Chargers have left? I know they have the Texans is one of their games, but I'm pretty sure the Chargers could lose their next three games and then beat the Broncos and still get in over the Chiefs.

[PFT Commenter]

So do you think that the Chargers take their foot off the gas?

[Big Cat]

I do not. Oh, yeah, the Charger. So the Chargers played the Chiefs at Dallas Houston at Denver, obviously not an easy schedule, but again, as long as they, as long as they win that game against the Broncos, they're going to most likely be in at least over the Chiefs.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm interested to see what Justin Herbert looks like because on, on Monday he did not look like he was comfortable playing football.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Like he was okay running the ball. He was, he was like, you know, very gutsy and at the end of the game he kind of put it on his own, on his own shoulders. But I don't know if he's going to be super effective at throwing the ball downfield.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's, it's. I, I just, I, I think this is, I think this might be the game that like the Chiefs because if you look at the Chargers, they've had an interesting season where they've had obviously some big wins, but they've also had. You remember that game against the Jaguars a few weeks ago where they just piled, they got piled on. I think there's a chance this could be. And I'm calling my shots. This might look really stupid because the Chiefs have not given us any reason to think that they could do this. But it does feel like this is the spot and the line makes no sense. I agree. It's like why is this five and a half?

[PFT Commenter]

It doesn't, it doesn't at all.

[Big Cat]

And again it's the two, it's coming off two primetime games. You watch the Chargers win, you watch the Chiefs lose, you put them together. Shane said it when, when he was talking about at SoFi. No one was open for the Chargers. I don't know. And they can't block up front. And the Chiefs, their defense, their pass rush hasn't gotten home. But they should get home against the Chargers team that can't block. I think Mahomes going to maybe do the dink and dunk down the field. Yeah, I like the Chiefs in this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you know that Philip Rivers obviously returning for the Colts this week? He already returned this year. At the start of the year he signed a one day contract to retire as a member of the Chargers.

[Big Cat]

Oh wow.

[PFT Commenter]

What happens to that one day contract? What guarantees? Is there any offset language?

[Big Cat]

They got to do it again.

[PFT Commenter]

They have to do another. So after the season's over, he's going to re. Sign a one day contract.

[Big Cat]

They're going to do it again.

[Max]

Shane was saying that the Chargers should get compensatory picks.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Max]

Because he signed with the Chargers and then signed again with another team.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, how much did The Chargers ever. Did they release him or put him on waivers?

[Max]

There's one day contract.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a one day contract. But a lot of times you retain the guy's rights. Like, I mean, look at.

[Big Cat]

I don't think so.

[PFT Commenter]

The guy from the Lions five years ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he retired with a contract still going. I'm just saying Rivers wasn't on the Chargers when he retired.

[PFT Commenter]

A one day con. Yeah, a one day contract.

[Big Cat]

Right. That. Those aren't real. Well, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what Max and I are talking about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like what kind of rights go along with the one day contract?

[Big Cat]

One day.

[PFT Commenter]

I would try to enforce some of those. I would. I'd follow grievance if I'm Jim Harbaugh.

[Big Cat]

How much are you hoping that the Patrick Mahomes doesn't make the playoffs? Not just because of so much. Are you kidding me? Not just because of playing the Chiefs potentially, but also the stat that gets floated around now, which is a crazy stat. That Tom Brady never took a snap in the NFL with his team eliminated. Yeah. Which is an insane stat. In the regular season. He never took a snap in the NFL. He did.

[Zach]

He.

[Big Cat]

Not me. He didn't make the playoffs at least one year. But the team was 2002. They were still alive.

[PFT Commenter]

16.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So he never took a snap when his team was eliminated from the playoffs. Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, Mahomes is on the wrong side of 30. This at the same age. This was Brady's. Obviously they lost the super bowl, but it was, you know, the perfect season, record breaking year. And then he won four Super Bowls after that season. So I'm always on the. I hated the narrative going into the super bowl last year that, you know, Mahomes was going to be ahead of Brady. If they won, they lost, then they don't make the playoffs. He's kind of old, fatter, slower. Andy Reid's on his way out. Kelsey's on his way out. Tyreek killing walking through that door. It would be a real shame.

[Big Cat]

They're fatter, slower.

[PFT Commenter]

Unlike Brady, who sped up at the end of his career, added the second dimension of the running.

[Hank]

Oh, but. Yeah, but he was always a pass. He was always a gunsling slinger.

[Big Cat]

Sell that shirt. Older, fatter, slower.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I don't like that you're body shaming him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't either. He's a father.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's kind of.

[Zach]

It's.

[Max]

I would argue that Patrick Mahomes is also a gunslinger.

[Big Cat]

Not anymore.

[Hank]

Have you seen him throw the deep ball this Year.

[Max]

No, but I'm. You're like Tom Brady was always a gunslinger, but Patrick Mahomes. It's not like Patrick Mahomes was like a. Like an. A dynamic quarterback.

[Hank]

Comparatively speaking, he was infinitely more dynamic with his feet than Brady was. I haven't MVP years. He was like the, you know, scrambling around, running around, getting first downs.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, I haven't looked up the.

[Hank]

That was a huge part of his game.

[Big Cat]

60 yards on Sunday night.

[PFT Commenter]

Patrick Mahomes might be the leading rusher on the Chiefs this year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. He still can run. It's not as fast. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I would.

[Big Cat]

Because it's the older, fatter.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's. Fatter. Faster.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Older, fatter, faster, harder to bring down.

[Hank]

They're going to make the playoffs. They're going to win this game by 30. They're going to make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

You keep doing this, it's going to.

[Hank]

Be Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, they're all gonna be in.

[PFT Commenter]

Let me look up these stats from a home. So I'm curious because he is running the ball a lot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he ran the ball. He, he. I think he had 60 plus yards.

[PFT Commenter]

He's no longer the leading rusher. Kareem Hunt has 545 yards. Patrick Mahomes is in second with 407 yards.

[Big Cat]

Because every game, at least down this stretch, has been a playoff game. And you know one thing about Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs? He's going to use his feet to get first down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's averaging 6.6 yards per carrying.

[Big Cat]

Think it's pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

Older, fatter, faster.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty damn good.

[PFT Commenter]

It's all right.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we're gonna go into the games that are now higher spreads, starting with Browns at bears. Bears -7 and a half over under 38 and a half. It's going to be cold. It's gonna be cold.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Wind chill. It's gonna get warm again on Monday.

[Hank]

I guess I kind of had like, the moment where I saw that stat about the. The weather in Chicago, and it didn't hit me that that was the weather that I would be living in. Like, I was like, oh, that's gon miserable a couple hours.

[Big Cat]

I was like, oh, we're gonna be sitting on our couch.

[Hank]

That's where we live on Sunday.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it was like negative 4 was the low, maybe 12 was the high. But wind chill is probably going to be like negative 10.

[Big Cat]

Zach, what about 46 on Thursday?

[Zach]

Oh, 46 on Thursdays. We got to get to Thursday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we got to get To Thursday.

[Zach]

There's a world where we don't get.

[Big Cat]

To Thursday, but yeah, it's gonna be cold. It's gonna be very, very cold.

[PFT Commenter]

Game sure is gonna get blobbed.

[Big Cat]

Yep, we're gonna. He's gonna get blobbed for sure. Wind chill. I am nervous about this game just because I think the Browns, when we talk about it every single week, that the Browns are in every game, at least at halftime. And you don't want to fuck around in a situation like that. Yeah, the one thing the Browns have going against them is their. I think their entire right side of their offensive line is hurt. They got three guys, center, guard, tackle. Yep. That's not good, especially for a team that wants to run the ball.

[Hank]

What concerned about this being a look ahead?

[Big Cat]

It's not a look at. It would be a trap game. It's the definition of a trap game because you get the packers on each side.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's a little bit different for the Bears because they know that these are the games they got to win. Yeah, they. You got to get fat on these games.

[Big Cat]

It's a can't lose. It's not a must win. It's a can't lose. Cannot lose this game. And yeah, I'm. I am sufficiently ears perked up. Don't let the Browns hang around in a weird cold weather game where you just don't know what's going to happen.

[PFT Commenter]

So watching the Titans run against them last week, it. It actually didn't seem like the Browns did that bad of a job outside of a. A couple breakout plays. Are you thinking like. Yeah. That we're going to go back to. To our running game like we did against the Eagles and we're. We're going to be able to find something that works against the Browns.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, the. The Browns did lose Malik Collins, which is big for their defensive line. I don't know if that was the only reason why they were run on like they were run on by the Titans. But yes, I think there will be a lot of running in this game from the Bears. And the Bears weakness, the pass rush. If the Browns have an entire offense, half of an offensive line out, you should be able to get home a little bit. Sure does hold onto the ball. So just take care of business. Don't. I don't care how it looks. Just win the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Worried about Quinn, Sean?

[Big Cat]

A little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

I like Quinn for sure.

[Big Cat]

I mean, the Bears could be run on and Kyler Gordon doesn't look like we had him for a game. And then he got hurt again in warm ups and it looks like he's out now. Jalen Johnson's still trying to work his way back. Like the, the, the cold. I don't give a fuck about the cold obviously because we're sitting inside and on our couch and we don't give a fuck. I'm worried about cold in terms of injuries, like guys who are coming back from injuries, guys who are, who have like a Jalen Johnson who has not played a lot this year. Those are the things that make me nervous about the cold.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I think the Bears got him. I like the Bears in this game a lot.

[Big Cat]

I expect them to win. I do think if you were betting this game, I, I don't know if I would take minus seven and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like taking seven and a half correct ever.

[Max]

Right.

[Big Cat]

In a, in a game that could be weird. And you like. I think Ben Johnson's plan in this game is win it any way you can. Doesn't matter how it looks.

[PFT Commenter]

And you might get caroled. You might get Pete Carol at the end of the game.

[Big Cat]

Could get Pete Carrolled, could get Pete Carol. But yeah. Kevin Byard said, I don't really believe in trap games as the NFL. Everyone is out there playing for something. He's right. Playing on tape.

[PFT Commenter]

You remember when Caleb and Shador played in college? Yes, that was an awesome game.

[Big Cat]

Yes, that was an awesome game. That was a, that was a big noon kickoff.

[PFT Commenter]

It was a great, it was like.

[Big Cat]

It was local time. 9:00am yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And 10:00am I think each quarterback had four touchdowns that game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I get excited when I see rematches of quarterbacks that. I remember those games they played in college. Like when Baker and Patrick Mahomes play against each other.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm like it'll, it'll be the same game.

[Big Cat]

But yeah. Yeah. Those games are like, oh man, look how many yards they put up. It's going to happen again. Yeah. Ben Johnson's quote. I just want to say it because I loved it so much and I'm going to just keep saying it in my head over and over. He said they were at. He was asked about the playoffs and he said we will be a playoff team once we earn enough wins to become a playoff team. Right now we are a nine win team and I don't think nine wins is going to get you in this year. So we have to do what we can to get enough wins to find a way to get into the tournament.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, do you want to do. Want to say the line.

[Hank]

What? No. Duh.

[PFT Commenter]

The duh. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well that's. But it needs to be said. We're 91 team. Duh. Don't playoff team.

[Zach]

But no but that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a good dub.

[Hank]

It wasn't as duh.

[Big Cat]

It wasn't as duh.

[PFT Commenter]

Mine was. Mine was.

[Hank]

If you had asked him, do you think if you win enough games you'll to make the playoffs that you'll be in the tournament?

[Big Cat]

Duh.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought my. My question was very relevant. You know, I'm going to bet on whoever wins that game and I'm not going to give you a penny of the money.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Next up, Commanders.

[PFT Commenter]

Giants owe me $8,000.

[Big Cat]

Giants minus two and a half over under 46.

[Hank]

I'm waiting until this season where we got. Yeah, like that could just reverse. I'm waiting till.

[Big Cat]

You guys have been playing a lot of golf. Well, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the thing is there is I. I most of my not hatred but most of my needling over Drake May comes from the fact that I am legitimately concerned that I might owe Hank $50,000. But it would only be 42 more golf. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. Commanders of giants. Giants minus two and a half over under 46 and a half. Is Jaden Daniels playing? Nope. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope. We're going to. We're going to get that elbow healthy. Why the was Jaden Daniels playing last week if he was going to land on his arm and just re. Injure it. That makes no sense to me.

[Hank]

Shouldn't have thrown the pick.

[PFT Commenter]

It makes no sense to me.

[Big Cat]

Are you pick shaming? Shouldn't have been there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Sometimes you gotta ask what. What was he doing in that position?

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes picks aren't bad. That was a bad pick.

[Big Cat]

Where I I saw the saddest thing. Pft. Our friend tailgate Teddy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He's going through it.

[Big Cat]

He has. He has win. He has stakes for. For when the Commanders win a game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I had to put the stakes in the freezer. He said probably not going to have these stakes till next year.

[PFT Commenter]

No, those are going to be.

[Big Cat]

He made a video. I was like, Teddy, you probably should probably should just eat the steaks and just get new steaks. You don't want to have steaks in the freezer for nine months.

[PFT Commenter]

Those are 20, 26.

[Big Cat]

But it was so sad. He just did a video just being like, well I bought these steaks. Was going to do it because I thought we were going to beat the Vikings.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's going through like it's another Another game.

[PFT Commenter]

He's firmly in the camp of, of play Jaden, as much as you can. And he should not play this week.

[Big Cat]

Football players play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but he shouldn't have played last weekend. If you're going to land on your arm and then you're going to have to go out the game like, that's not, you're not ready to play at that point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he hasn't, like, he hasn't really played a lot this year and it hasn't looked good when he has played. So he, like, you kind of want to get a little momentum going into next year, right?

[PFT Commenter]

If he's healthy. Yeah, yeah. No, I, I, Going into the game last week, I said the same thing. I said if he's healthy. I think it's important for you to get a few reps out there for you to get, you know, some live action with your teammates, get into a rhythm, try to work your way out of this hole, get some confidence going. But if you're going to get hurt just by landing on it, then you shouldn't be out there playing in the first place.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a detriment to the team.

[Big Cat]

I, I like the commanders in this game. I don't. Hank showed us last week that Marcus Mario is better than Jane Daniels.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't, I don't like the commanders in this game at all. They need to look alive, though. Last week they were. They looked dead.

[Big Cat]

Why don't you like them?

[PFT Commenter]

That was a dead. Because they looked dead last week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it's week to week. I mean, the Vikings looked dead the week before.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what's so concerning about us looking dead against a dead team.

[Big Cat]

No, but the, the Vikings shut out and then shut someone out.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

And you got shut out. Now you got to shut them out.

[Hank]

Bad quarterback to good quarterback. Commanders.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you had Mary bad.

[Hank]

It's a good quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Which team. Which offense looked better, Hank? The offensive Jaden Daniels or the offensive Marcus Mariota?

[Big Cat]

Marcus Mariota was in the Broncos game.

[Hank]

It's good. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he's talking about the Vikings game.

[Hank]

I stopped watching. It was like 20.

[PFT Commenter]

I like there's no reason to watch. But what I'm saying, we, we look dead against a dead team. So that now I'm thinking we're dead.

[Big Cat]

I agree with you.

[Hank]

I'm with you.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm afc. We're dead. I actually our defense is the worst in the NFL and Adam Peters has, he's probably got some big plans for this offseason, like probably signing Brandon Auk or whoever the 49ers decide to cut because that's all we do is we get the 49ers sloppy seconds on everything. It doesn't seem like we're in a great position right now. Going next year. We need to change up almost everybody on defense. Pretty much everybody on defense is going to be gone when a bad team.

[Big Cat]

Gets blown out by 30 plus they are 97, 68 and 4 against the spread the next game. So there you go. Not dead.

[PFT Commenter]

Not dead. Maybe we can cover against, well, the Giants two and a half.

[Big Cat]

So if you're going to cover, you're probably going to win.

[PFT Commenter]

Both of these teams are, are in a bad spot right now. We are on an eight game losing streak. The Giants are on a seven game losing streak. But the Giants losing streak feels like it's a lot better than our losing streaker.

[Big Cat]

What was that from the booth?

[Max]

We've decided that I think we're talking too much about this game.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. All right. I was just trying to make the point that I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bet the commanders, I think they're gonna be able to run the ball down the throat of the Giants because everyone runs on the Giants.

[PFT Commenter]

I would.

[Big Cat]

And I think Marcus Mariota has done a decent enough job with this offense this year that I, I, yeah, I like the, I like the commanders in this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I understand the logic. I, I just, I'm very down on, on the defense especially.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Too much on that game from the booth.

[PFT Commenter]

I disagree. Max.

[Big Cat]

It is a big game for Tankathon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we missed.

[Max]

We. We buried the lead. This is a tank a thon.

[Big Cat]

This is a huge tank a thon game. If the, if the commanders win this game, they're gonna, they're gonna Vault to like 9, 10. If they lose this game, the Giants are going to go from the first pick to somewhere in the 5 range. It's huge.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So ultimately by, by me, that's what it is. I'm so confident we're going to lose because I know that losing this game is actually a big win. Get us in the top five.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Next game. Raiders Eagles. Eagles minus 11 and a half over under 38 and a half. Max, I know we talked about it a lot on Tuesday. How are we feeling now? The rabbit, the bunny is gone. I almost. So the good vibes bunny has been removed from the locker room. I was very close to texting Big Dom asking if I could have it, but I thought that would probably be.

[PFT Commenter]

A bad text to send did they stab it?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Max]

It's crazy. AJ Dillon is the one that brought that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that is crazy.

[Max]

He hasn't played in like three months.

[PFT Commenter]

Has that been reported, Max? Oh, yeah.

[Max]

I also is one that brought the positivity rabbit.

[PFT Commenter]

It sounds like a guy that if he's around the office and he doesn't really do a whole lot and he's like, I'll bring. I'll bring some pizzas.

[Max]

Exactly what it is. And so he's fourth string running back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So he's trying to get into the good graces of the team. But I brought the positivity rabbit.

[Max]

He was a healthy scratch.

[PFT Commenter]

That's got it. That's got to count for something.

[Big Cat]

Since. Since Tuesday, I have found myself in a weird spot where I am now a Jalen Hurtson because I was on Wake Up Barstool on Tuesday morning. I said, jalen Hurts is Russell Wilson 2.0. And. But literally 10 seconds into the clip, I said, Russell Wilson was a very good quarterback. I think Jalen Hurts is a very good quarterback. They. They're not the top three guys in the league, but they're somewhere after that where if their team is good around them, they're winning a Super Bowl. I got then, quote tweeted, sent everywhere, NFL people saying, I don't know ball all say is, I think Russell Wilson was a very good quarterback. I also think Jalen Hurts a very good quarterback. And if you want to just talk about it, Russell Wilson never finished second in mvp. Jalen Hurts did.

[Max]

He would have come first too, if he didn't get hurt.

[Big Cat]

If he didn't get hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Russell Wilson was. I. I think you'd make the argument he was a top five quarterback for most of his first, what, seven seasons?

[Big Cat]

Not all seven.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he led the. I think he's the winningest quarterback in his first seven seasons. But that's in the history of the league.

[Big Cat]

But that's not top winning is. Yeah, yeah, but he was 2017 to 2020. Russell Wilson was phenomenal. Jalen Hurts is 27 years old. I think Jalen Hurts is gonna like, I'm not giving up on Jalen Hurts is kind of what I was saying. And yeah, Emmanuel Acho, who has me blocked so I can't even reply. Every day people prove they didn't watch Russell Wilson play professional football. Okay, we'll see. The best part about this argument is Jalen Hurts has career left. So we'll find out.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what's funny is that's actually, that's telling on himself. Emmanuel Acho, because he saw your take and then he assumed that you meant that Russell Wilson stinks.

[Big Cat]

That's the thing. That was it. So I kind of got done dirty by our own people using the only quote Jalen hurts is Russell Wilson 2.0. When 10 seconds in I said, and that's not a bad thing because Russell Wilson was really good. Yeah, but he was really, really good.

[PFT Commenter]

Emmanuel Ocho is being disrespectful to Russell Wilson for being like, why are you talking shit about Russell. Russell Wilson this way when actually you were saying good things about him.

[Big Cat]

And if they were. If Jalen Hurts retired today, it also.

[Hank]

Means people just think Jalen Hurts sucks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, if. But if Jalen Hurts retired today, Russell Wilson would have a far better career. I obviously, I'm not arguing that I, I am off a four pick game. I'm not giving up on Jalen Hurts is kind of what I'm saying. I think he's still a very good quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, are you guys going to start a backup or Tanner McKee time?

[Max]

I It's insane that people are having.

[PFT Commenter]

This discussion shout out to. To the Philadelphia media because they did ask Sirianni if they were thinking about making the move to Tanner McKee or Sam Howell. Yeah, I respect the hell out of them for, for asking that question. It shows that some cities still know how sports talk is done and how the. The backup is always the most popular guy in town. Max, you know who asked that question?

[Max]

I do not, but I know that it was asked.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I respect it might have been Sal or Aunt Big Ant.

[Big Cat]

Big Ant.

[Max]

Eagles talk radio has been insane this week.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no way. Duh.

[Max]

That's good.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I did like Shady's takeover it. Shady said that if, if Kevin Pulo comes back next year, they need to unretire his number. He's going to give 25 back to the Eagles if Kevin Pulo is still around.

[Max]

Well, there is reports that Kevin Patulo will be getting interviewed for the Giants head coaching job.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow. Yep.

[Max]

Monday morning quarterback put. Put that one out there.

[Big Cat]

That's great.

[PFT Commenter]

Why?

[Max]

Because he's number two guy of does.

[PFT Commenter]

He count for Rooney rule as an Italian?

[Max]

I'm just telling, I'm just telling you what the reports are.

[Big Cat]

That might be just Mr. Merritt doing Jeffrey Lurie a favor of being like, hey, I'm gonna take some heat off you for a second. I'll just pretend to interview your OC so we can say he got interviewed.

[PFT Commenter]

But what it Might do is it might make Jeffrey Laurie be like, wow, this guy's generating buzz to be a head coach. We better lock him.

[Big Cat]

We gotta get him. We gotta get him locked.

[PFT Commenter]

It might be a three dimensional chess move by the Giants.

[Max]

Sports talk radio is also doing the Trey Turner again right now. Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

No booze.

[Max]

Booze are hilarious. It is. Give the offense a standing ovation on their. On their first. On their first drive out. And no booze through the first quarter.

[Big Cat]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, yeah, that's not wip.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're going to kill the Raiders. But yeah, it is funny that I have. I have somehow ended up in. After trolling Max on Tuesday and having a lot of fun with that, I've now ended up on Max's side where I found. I caught myself replying to random people online with Jalen hurts stats.

[PFT Commenter]

We spent too much time on this game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, wait. Give it to us. Is this the. No. We don't even need to hear this. No booze.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Kenny Pickett started for the race. Kenny Pickett's starting for the race. Oh, yeah. The rules are offense gets a standing ovation this Sunday versus Raiders. No booing the team for the entire first quarter versus Raiders. That. That is dangerous though, because that.

[Max]

That means the second quarter could be an onslaught.

[Big Cat]

That's like, that's like telling, you know, like, hey, no sex for a month. You're basically doing, you know, no nut November. The loads in December are insane.

[Max]

The loads are going to be.

[Big Cat]

You guys are going to be just hitting Peter Northropes of booze at people's faces.

[PFT Commenter]

Roll the tarp out after the first quarter. It's going to be like, put your fours up at the end of the first quarter and everyone's just going to flip off the team.

[Big Cat]

They're going to. They're going to have. They're going to have like reports in. Give me a town. Just, you know, west of Philadelphia.

[Max]

Brumall.

[Big Cat]

Brumall had had a seismic. The Richter scale off of the booze. It was a small earthquake.

[PFT Commenter]

The King of Prussia mall has imploded.

[Big Cat]

When the second quarter started.

[Max]

I like imagine a Jalen Hurts pick to start the second quarter.

[PFT Commenter]

It would go crazy next play. Got a trivia question. There's two players in the NFL that have 50 plus carries for zero or negative yards this season. Do you know who those two players are?

[Big Cat]

Wait, say it again.

[PFT Commenter]

There's two players in the NFL that have 50 plus carries for zero or negative yards this season. Who are?

[Big Cat]

Ashton Genti.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, he's one of them.

[Big Cat]

I don't know the other. What a matchup.

[PFT Commenter]

It's these two running backs.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

I was shocked to see sake one on that list.

[Max]

I'm not. The O line's been horrendous.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. So this is the third, fourth time that Nick Sirianna. Sirianni is a coach. The Eagles has dropped three games in a row. They've won the fourth game each time. Do you get it? Four times. You've lost three in a row. You haven't lost four in a row.

[Max]

Cardinal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you afraid of Kenny Pickett?

[Max]

Kenny Pickett, Revenge. Yeah, I'm afraid of everyone. I'm afraid of everyone and everything. The fact that this is an 11 1/2 point spread is insane to me.

[Big Cat]

No, it's not. The Raiders are the worst team in the NFL.

[Hank]

The Eagles covered last week look like.

[Max]

The worst team in the NFL covered.

[Big Cat]

Easy, easy cover last week for the Raiders. Okay, you ready to move on? You're going to win this game. I don't know if you're going to beat the Commanders.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, both times.

[Big Cat]

You are. You are going to win this game. Max. I, I, you know what? Personal guarantee right now you're going to win this game. What comes with a personal guarantee? Absolutely nothing. But I'm giving it.

[Max]

Jalen Hurts. Has to, has to be good.

[Big Cat]

He is good.

[Max]

No, I'm saying he has to. Like, I might bet three. I might, might go for 300 for her.

[Big Cat]

Max positivity. If A.J. brown catches that ball. None of this is talked about. It's like, oh, there was a bad. Jalen Hurts threw one bad pick and yeah, he then fumbled the pick afterwards and it was crazy. And then he threw another pick in another.

[Max]

Also looked like friends on Hard Knocks this week, according to memes. Because I refuse to watch it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, that's good reporting, memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Excellent reporting memes.

[Big Cat]

Memes. Sticking on you. The jets at the jags. Jags are minus 13 and a half over. Under is 41 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Brady Cook.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he just. Oh, he waved us off. That's it. That's it. That's it. That was the preview. Nothing about this, the preview of the game.

[PFT Commenter]

I need to know. Brady Cook or no Brady Cook?

[Big Cat]

It is Brady Cook. Yeah, it's Brady Cook. It's Brady Cook and Adrian Martinez as backup. Oh, man. Okay, he just waved us off.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. There's nothing.

[Big Cat]

The season is over.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on, Memes. Really?

[Big Cat]

We're simulating to the end of the season where it's full tank this is like a super tank. It is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They might not score a touchdown, but at the same time, I'm rooting for him. God forbid, you know, it lights it up.

[Zach]

He won't.

[PFT Commenter]

But I also love how the Jaguars are leaning into the. Nobody believes in us. Like, no one thinks that we're going to beat Brady Cook this week. It's us against the world.

[Big Cat]

The most. The most. Like, create a player name. Face everything that has ever existed.

[PFT Commenter]

I want you guys to, to look out there and all those people in this, they all think Brady Cook's about to kick your ass.

[Big Cat]

Could you see maybe the Brady Cook game happening? I'd see Breeze hall rushing a lot. Okay. And the Brady Cook game, by the way, could be bad. Like there's the Nathan Peterman game. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Which was actually. It was pretty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Only set I have is the Trevor Lawrence most passing touchdowns the past five weeks. Number one is Matthew Stafford. Number two is Trevor Lawrence. He's been playing good football.

[PFT Commenter]

He's been playing really good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. That's it. So he waved at us off Cardinals. The Texans. Texans -9 and a half over under 42 and a half. I don't know. I kind of want to take the Cardinals just because I don't know if the Texans can score enough to cover nine and a half. But the Texans defense is so, so good. And Jacoby Brissette does hold on to the ball, so feels like there might be a pick six or a fumble or something, so I'm gonna probably just stay away.

[PFT Commenter]

I kind of like the Texans. I feel like Brissette's gonna throw the ball 50 times.

[Big Cat]

Doesn't this feel like a. A total sucker spot, though?

[PFT Commenter]

It does, yeah.

[Big Cat]

But I'm seeing win on Sunday night and then they're. And the Cardinals are just got pieced by the Rams. This is the hard part of the of like week 15 and later is that you just don't know if there's teams that are officially have fully like wrapped it up and quit.

[PFT Commenter]

It seems like the Cardinals have wrapped it up and quit, but they've also covered seven out of eight as road dogs.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

So I, I, But I still like the Texans and that might be me being a sucker and just looking at it and saying, okay, the Texans are legit. Legit. The Cardinals are just kind of treading water and waiting for the season to end.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Like just hoping that the clock moves faster for the rest of the year.

[Big Cat]

Which feels the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Which does. It does feel like it might be going in that direction. Brissette is trying to beat the Texans, starting for the fourth different team in his career. So there's six different quarterbacks that have beaten an opponent as the quarterback for four different teams.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

One is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

One is Trent Dilfer. He beat the Cardinals four times. Chris Chandler beat the Broncos four times. Jeff Garcia beat Washington four times. Kerry Collins beat the Cowboys four times. And Earl Morrell beat the Giants and the Cardinals four times. But Ryan Fitzpatrick, he's beaten the Jaguars six times. And the Command, that's the all time record. And the Commanders four times for four different teams. So percent is trying to join that fraternity.

[Big Cat]

That's a good fraternity.

[PFT Commenter]

It's an excellent fraternity.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It basically means that you just played for a ton.

[PFT Commenter]

It means that you were good enough to bounce around the league to play.

[Big Cat]

For a lot of teams. Yeah. Okay, let's. So anyone got any thoughts in this game? This is another one where it's just like, okay, no, I might go over.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Michael Wilson is awesome. Throw him the ball a lot.

[Big Cat]

Trey McBride. Yep, yep.

[PFT Commenter]

CJ Stroud. Just look good, look dependable, and then let the rest happen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Before we get to the afternoon games. Planet Fitness. Everybody can get strong at Planet Fitness we've been talking about on this show. We're getting in shape in 2026. We have the Planet Fitness gym here in the office. We have the. The free weights, the cable towers, the Smith Smith machine, the treadmill. I should get on the treadmill and walk a little bit. Walk a couple miles. Little hot boy walk. Also, the stair climber's awesome. Get that booty popping high value membership that supports any fitness journey as low as $15 a month. Over 2,700 club locations. Most clubs open 24 hours. Get stronger together, guys. Let's go. We're all strong on this planet. Join today in club online or in the free PF app. This podcast. I'll tell you right now, we're gonna get hot in 2026. Should we do a full weigh in? I think we should do a full. Like all of us get on a scale together like in the office.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna get jacked, though.

[Big Cat]

So we don't know each other. We don't know our specific weights. We just know our total weights.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna put on productive mass.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But we're also trying to bulk up.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

January.

[Big Cat]

Listen, you do it. Planet Fitness. So high value membership supports any fitness journey as low as 15amonth.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to get tan. They have tanning beds too.

[Big Cat]

Hell yeah. Afternoon Games. Great. One Game of the week. Barstool's game of the week. Make sure you tweet us your game of the week parlay because we're giving out bonus bets on DraftKings. Lions at Rams. Rams -6 over unders 54 1/2. Big, big game. Big, big game for the Lions. Both teams, really, because the Rams are trying to get the 1 seed. The Lions are in the 8th spot right now. And if they. So I was looking at it. If the Lions lose and the Bears win, then the Bears at minimum have a week 18 winning. Get in like that. Can't. It can't get worse than that. So they could lose their next two games. Still have. The Lions are kind of in a spot where they have to. Yeah, they have to get. To try to get that winning. Get in. And they have to. This is a big game.

[PFT Commenter]

So if they win, they're up to 72% to get in.

[Big Cat]

Lions.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If they lose, they're down to 40 to get in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The old Jared Goff, Matt Stafford game. This matchup again, both teams. The rare trade where both teams won. I think you could definitely make the argument there. I. I think I like the Lions just because they're going to be desperate as fuck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[PFT Commenter]

And Brian Branch, unfortunately, he's out for the season. He's got a torn Achilles, so he's probably out for like, maybe up to a full year. Not a calendar year, but 12 months. And Kirby Joseph might not play. I don't know. But the defense is going to be an issue for them. Dan Campbell just doesn't seem phased by it. He was just like, we're good. We got options. You lose a good player hurts, but we're not in dire straits.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're just. The Lions are going to be the most desperate team that you've ever seen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. On.

[PFT Commenter]

On Sunday.

[Big Cat]

A lot of fourth downs.

[PFT Commenter]

A lot of fourth downs.

[Big Cat]

Makes you nervous about taking the over.

[PFT Commenter]

Or it could make you feel good.

[Big Cat]

About it could be awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

It depends on if they make those four thousands.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Amon Ra.

[PFT Commenter]

If he's healthy or healthier than he has looked. I think I. I think the Lions are a good bet. I'm just. I'm. I'm putting all my chips behind Dan Campbell's desperation. Yeah, I think he's probably the best. Desperate.

[Big Cat]

Coach Sean McVey said he vows to never forget the way Stafford was treated in Detroit. Homecoming.

[PFT Commenter]

They booed him.

[Big Cat]

Booed his family.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That. Well, they boot his kids. They actually Applauded for Matt Stafford, but they're like the little girls. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They can get it. They can get these booze.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I agree. I think this is going to be one of those chaotic, like great games where both teams are pressing in a good way. I also just. If you didn't watch the Cardinals Rams game last week, which I don't blame you because it was such a blowout. Puka Nuku and Matthew Stafford, the way they're playing football right now, it's the old damn Marino. There's no defense for a perfect pass. That's how it feels with those two.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Where they doesn't really matter what defense you run, who you have on Puka. Matthew Savage is going to put it somewhere. The Puka Nuku can catch it and the defensive back cannot.

[PFT Commenter]

I think what we've seen this season we saw. We saw teams playing like relatively normal coverages at the start of the year and Puka Nuku was awesome. Then they just blanketed Puka Nakua and then all Devonte Adams did was catch touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then they're like, oh, all this guy does is catch touchdowns. Let's give him some extra attention. And now we're back. The pendulum is one swung back to Puka Nakua always being open.

[Big Cat]

Also Jameer Gibbs just keep betting him. So since Jameer, since Dan Campbell took over play calling. If you did a 17 game pace for Jameer Gibbs, it would be first all time in yards from scrimmage with 2. 679 and 31 total TDs. That's on pace for when Dan Campbell took over. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So he's clearly being like, hey, that's our best player.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's use him all the time. Every aspect of the game.

[Big Cat]

I'm pumped for this game. You like this game, Hank? Yeah. You got a thought?

[Hank]

Also feels like a sucker this the again it's. It's tough. Hungry dog because I think hungry dog is like it's hard to do week over week. There's not a lot of dogs feels like sucker dog week.

[Big Cat]

Why don't you just do that? Why don't you do Moneyline parlay of the sucker dogs like the other way I might. The Rams. The Chiefs call it to can't lose.

[Hank]

Rams, Chiefs, Ravens.

[Big Cat]

The sucker dog. Yeah.

[Hank]

Because. Because everyone and their mother is like.

[Big Cat]

Or just take them against the spread. Yeah.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

It's no. No plus sign.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm saying take all three parlayed against spread.

[Hank]

But yeah, I like. I Like the Rams. This game, this. This game feels like it. It's everyone and their mother's big Lions. Lions need to win. Dan Campbell's hungry. I think it's gonna be a shootout. This also gives me Chiefs, Chiefs, Rams vibes with Jared Goff just over, over, over, over, over.

[Big Cat]

But that fourth down, that's my. That's. I'm. I'm just. I'm just picturing myself. I'm putting myself in, in my own body on Sunday afternoon, betting the over in this game and watching the Lions be, like, in the red zone three times in the first two, you know, two quarters and going over three on fourth down.

[PFT Commenter]

We're going to know pretty quickly if that over is going to hit. Yeah. Just based on vibes. If the first fourth down doesn't get converted, this is dead.

[Big Cat]

It's over.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Packers at Broncos. Broncos plus two and a half over under 40. Two and a half. This is a very similar spread and setup to the Bills and the in the Patriots. The Broncos are in the first spot right now. They have. What. What's their win streak right now? 10. 10.

[PFT Commenter]

10.

[Big Cat]

10 in a row. They're underdogs to the Packers, I think rightfully so. I think the packers are going to win.

[Hank]

Arrowhead's tough place to play.

[Big Cat]

It's not Arrowhead.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not a good point.

[Big Cat]

It is Mile High. Yeah. Apologies.

[PFT Commenter]

Also a tough place to play.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Mile High is tougher.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Hank]

Altitude.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But Arrowhead, though.

[Big Cat]

But Patrick Mahomes.

[Hank]

I'd rather not play at Mile High, but.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What.

[PFT Commenter]

How come Arrowhead was the first we beat?

[Hank]

I don't know why. That was just a. I feel like.

[PFT Commenter]

That'S 40 and slip.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because you're afraid of playing the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Probably.

[Hank]

I'll stop talking.

[Big Cat]

To you a thon. We know it. Jordan Love is just insane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He went on Mac V show wearing a Toyota thon jacket. He's leaning into it.

[PFT Commenter]

Wasn't Purdy doing that earlier? I think I feel like Purdy wore a Toyota Thon jacket outside of Toyota Thon.

[Big Cat]

He might have, but he's. He's leaning into it. He's loving it.

[PFT Commenter]

He's already got Brocktober. He doesn't need Toyota Thon.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't know what else to say in set of like, the packers look really good and Matt Lafleur is a really good coach, especially down the stretch. And Toyota Thon is happening. And while I think the Broncos are still a good team, I just. They have been winning games by the skin of their teeth and Bonix played better. But I think this is just a levels thing. I don't know. I might be way wrong. I might be way wrong. Broncos could shock me. I would love it if the Broncos won this game because then the following week would be. Yeah, I've been awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been thinking more about it with the Broncos. I know their defense is awesome. I've been believing. I've been a believer for quite some time now. I think they're capable of winning any game they plan. They're capable of beating any team in the league. League.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They're also capable of losing to just about every team in the league. Yep. I think that they're going to win this game, but I don't trust them in the playoffs to win three games in a row.

[Big Cat]

I don't think that's not. I know they've been believing.

[PFT Commenter]

I know they've won 10. I know they've won 10. Which is a great counterpoint if you're out there and you're like wait, you don't trust them to win three in a row? They're on a ten game winning streak. I, I just don't trust them to win three in a row in the playoffs against good teams.

[Big Cat]

Bo Nix against the NFC during his career is 8 and 1. So there you go.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty good.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if that means anything, but I just wanted to say it. Yeah, I just, I, I have a bad feeling. The packers have turned the corner. It happened Thanksgiving, what they did to the Lions. Thanksgiving, that was the, the, the corner was, was officially turned and yeah, I think this is when they're going to start pouring it on.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that they're, their cornerbacks are going to be good enough against the packers receivers where Jordan Love is not going to be able to make any of those easy throws downfield.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, probably.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Although the Broncos have given up some yard. I mean the commanders obviously played well. Mariota, Mario, Ta. Okay, next up Panthers at Saints. Saints are 2 1/2 point underdogs. Over under is 40 and a half. The Carolina Panthers are 0. 24 against the spread as favorites against sub 400 teams since 2015. Let me just say that again. They're 0 and 24 against the spread as favorites against Sub 400 teams since 2015. That's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

That is absolutely nuts. So they should never be favored.

[Big Cat]

They. Well, they should never be favored and they also just play down to their level. Yeah. Which is not a good thing.

[PFT Commenter]

No. And Tyler Schuck is playing pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Or shucksters. He's shuck boys or shuck.

[Max]

I'm offended you even said pretty good. He's playing very well.

[Big Cat]

Maybe the best in the NFL. NFL. If you just base it off of.

[PFT Commenter]

Last week, Tyler Shuck, he's 100 and.

[Big Cat]

You take out Matthew Stafford, if he.

[PFT Commenter]

Throws a Josh Allen 106 yards, he breaks the Saints all time rookie record. You know who held that?

[Big Cat]

Who?

[PFT Commenter]

Spencer Rattler. Oh, last year. That's I believe the second time in NFL history that that's ever happened. I think the first was in 1950 where you've had back to back rookie quarterbacks setting and breaking each other's records. But yeah, Tyler Shuck is awesome. He is Max. You're right, that was a good correction. Good producing Max. I'm a shuck boy. I'm a believer in shuck. I don't know who the Saints are going to have at skill positions. I don't care. I'm a believer in Tyler Shuck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, doesn't matter. Dude, he's the shuck. He's going to shuck you up. That's what he does. Yeah, yeah. Shuck you the up. Shuck you up.

[PFT Commenter]

Shuck that tugger dick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Do we want anything else on this game? It doesn't. This game weirdly doesn't matter that much for the. It does, but the Panthers have two games against the Bucks in the last three weeks of the season. If they go two and oh, they're in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So it still matters because you want to give your chance to give yourself a chance to be able to go one and one and still be in. But both the Bucks and this and the Panthers are sitting in the same spot. If they can go 2:0 against the other one, they're in.

[PFT Commenter]

This is. Yeah, it's a must win, must win for the Panthers, I think. Must win to get some confidence going.

[Hank]

Because it's not, it's not a must win at all.

[PFT Commenter]

To get the confidence, to get the confidence going.

[Hank]

It's a, it's a wanna win.

[Big Cat]

It's a, it's a would be nice to win. I don't think it's a must win.

[PFT Commenter]

I think if you're the Panthers, every game has to be must win.

[Big Cat]

No, that's, that's what we're saying.

[Hank]

They have two games.

[Big Cat]

They have two must win games coming up.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to feel good about yourself if you want to win. If you, if you want, if you want to win the must wins. You have to be confident and the Best way to get confident is to get a win against the Saints. A team that came into your house and beat you, they beat your ass.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, it's definitely not a must win.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you get swept by the Saints, your tails between your legs. They can't run with a big boy.

[Hank]

Or it wakes you up, fires you up.

[Big Cat]

If I'm looking for error, no margin for error, no margin for error. If the. Yeah, I'm looking right now, you might.

[Hank]

Want to lose this game.

[Big Cat]

If the Panthers lose, they might be.

[Hank]

A back against the wall team.

[Big Cat]

If the Panthers lose this week and week 17, but they win week 16 and 18 against the Bucks are in. So the Bucks can win. The Bucks can win the other two and lose the like. So, yeah, this doesn't matter.

[Hank]

Fine.

[Big Cat]

If they lose, it's perfectly fine. I don't think.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not perfectly.

[Big Cat]

It's not perfectly fine because then they. They do lose the ability to go one and one against. Against the Bucks, which you'd like to keep that ability alive. Would you not say so, Hank?

[Hank]

Yeah, it's. It's blah if they lose.

[Big Cat]

It's blah if they lose. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What is. Is that. What's blah?

[Hank]

It's like, not great, but not.

[Big Cat]

It's just blah.

[Hank]

Sky is falling.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So should they just. Should they bench their starters?

[Hank]

Not quiet.

[Big Cat]

We're getting the move on.

[Max]

You got to respect. Yeah, you got to respect the loss of the shockster.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Titans at 49ers. 49ers minus 12 and a half over under 44 and a half. Can we just. Just say 49ers, 49ers.

[Hank]

Big time.

[PFT Commenter]

Just go big time.

[Big Cat]

We're gonna go. Oh, we're gonna. Yeah, move along.

[PFT Commenter]

The Titans are. Titans are reading all the press clippings. Everyone thinks you're the best team in the world because you won a game last.

[Big Cat]

I will say this about the 49ers. They feel like the team that not a lot of people are talking about, and they're kind of just lurking there. And, you know, there's a lot of. I think it's because the nature of how the NFC playoff pictures looked, it's a lot of Rams, Seahawks, Bears, Packers, Lions. Because those. Those are tight division. 49ers are right there. They're right there.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, the. The Rams. Ha. They are last in the league in sacks or. Sorry, they're not. The Rams. 49ers. 49ers are last in the league in sacks. That's Mac Jones no, in on defense.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I thought you meant avoiding them.

[PFT Commenter]

No, their defense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, they don't have a pass rush. They got everyone injured.

[PFT Commenter]

Their defense is. Is dead last in the league in sacking the quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Fred Warner is doing the. If we make it to this round, I'm back.

[PFT Commenter]

Was that Super Bowl, Pro Bowl, Pro.

[Big Cat]

Bowl, Pro bowl week? Yeah. No, he. I think I saw. It was like, wild card. 25% divisional round, 50%, championship round, 75%. You might be back. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Love the Niners.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I do, too. Seahawks, Colts. Seahawks. Minus 13 and a half over, under 40. Two and a half. Phil Rivers.

[PFT Commenter]

We're doing it.

[Big Cat]

He gets number 17 from Daniel Jones, which is very funny. So Daniel Jones is on IR because he tore his Achilles. And Daniel Jones was asked. Phil Rivers texted him, and Daniel Jones replied, heck, yeah. Go for it.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. Heck yeah.

[Big Cat]

Heck, yeah. He knew not to cuss.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't cuss. I. I can't wait to see Philip Rivers out there. I hope that it's awesome. I hope he's able to play. I'm skeptical. He's 44.

[Big Cat]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? I. I'm sick of people being like, He's a grandfather. 44. He's, like, the youngest grandfather in the world.

[Big Cat]

Brett Favre was a grandfather.

[PFT Commenter]

Brett Favre was a grandfather. He's not. He's not a young guy.

[Big Cat]

Well, the only thing is, his grandkid is in middle school.

[PFT Commenter]

Philip Rivers?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

How old is Grant?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm just kidding.

[PFT Commenter]

Jesus Christ.

[Big Cat]

When he gets started, his great kids, like, one or two.

[PFT Commenter]

When he gets started.

[Big Cat]

Wouldn't that be funny if his grandkid, like, want to feel old? Philip Rivers is. Is playing in the NFL this week, and his grandkid just did signing day for NC State.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. I thought this was kind of funny. So Philip Rivers has been working out and training Riley Leonard for the past two off seasons.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's been his mentor. And now they're like, hey, Phil, can you come in here and. And just show Riley how it's done?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And on top of that, we got the report that Philip Rivers is running. Was running Shane Steichen's offense for the high school team he was coaching.

[PFT Commenter]

They were talking every week.

[Big Cat]

Every single week.

[PFT Commenter]

Which makes you think, how long has Shane Steichen had this plan?

[Big Cat]

Forever.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, he. He was keeping his options open with Phil. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If you're Daniel Jones, you got to be like, wait, what the.

[PFT Commenter]

You were talking to him every week.

[Big Cat]

You had a side chick this entire time.

[PFT Commenter]

You were watching Me play and thinking about Philip Rivers.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

It is crazy. And I said right when the news came through that it felt a lot like the Jeff Saturday hire.

[Big Cat]

Oh, breaking moves.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he officially starting?

[Big Cat]

Breaking moves. Breaking moves. Adam Scheffer just tweeted, sounds like Philip Rivers is tracking to start Sunday at Seattle.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I saw he was taking a lot of the. The reps. That's good. This is good for football.

[Big Cat]

Incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

It's good for football. I can't believe Sam Ellinger turned the Colts down.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't believe he was like, no, thank you.

[Big Cat]

This is going to be, you know.

[PFT Commenter]

What if Philip Rivers. If. If they win, I won't cuss for the rest of football season. Yeah, I'm going to stop cussing.

[Big Cat]

I don't know about that. Oh, I'm watching a tape of him throw. He's still fucking got it. He does look a little heavier, but it doesn't matter. He said he doesn't run away from people anyway.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So Stephen Holder, I think is a Colts beat reporter, said two days in now, and my time in the building this week has left me only more convinced Philip Rivers is this week's starting quarterback. It isn't difficult to tell who a team is prepping to start the. That player is Rivers, period. Yeah.

[Max]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

He needs to get in football shape, but there's no question he can throw it.

[Big Cat]

He's going to play himself.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got. Yeah, let's do it. It's been 1800 days since his last game. That rocks, that rock. Sometimes the NFL just delivers.

[Big Cat]

You know, this is really one of those. Those moments that I'm just so happy that we get to watch Philip Rivers again.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But the Seahawks are probably gonna fuck him up.

[PFT Commenter]

Probably.

[Big Cat]

If we're just gonna be honest with this. This is a. I'm worried about him getting hit. That's the problem.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's. He has to play the Seahawks. He has to play the Texans this year.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, I do like that. The Colts are just not giving up on. Hey, we are right there in the playoff hunt. Why would we just give up every starting QB when Philip Rivers last played? This is a crazy. So it's Matt Ryan, Teddy Bridgewater, Dwayne Haskins for the Commanders. Mitch Trubisky for the Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh. Ryan Tannehill for the Titans.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

One seed, baby.

[Big Cat]

Baker Mayfield for the Browns. Drew Locke for the Broncos.

[PFT Commenter]

You okay, Hank?

[Big Cat]

You're funny. Not you. Funny guy. Funny guy.

[Hank]

You make me laugh.

[PFT Commenter]

What's funny? Funny about you.

[Hank]

Just everything about you. The way you look, the way you.

[PFT Commenter]

Talk about remembering your little quips. I like. Listen, Hank, I know you feel funny way. I know you feel the same way. We. We both look good. That's the thing the haters are sick about, that is. Me and Hank, actually, I think we won that bet.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[PFT Commenter]

100%.

[Big Cat]

Except for the part where Hank did.

[PFT Commenter]

Blackface N. I was. Yeah, it was guido face.

[Big Cat]

You did. You guys both look good. Hank's. Hank's been vibing this week. He's. He's been matching his. His outfit with, like, his hair.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's been very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, He. He came up to us today. He was like, I. I feel like I look like a guy that, like, doesn't have a job, doesn't do, but still, like, has a hot girlfriend. And Max was like, yeah, dude, you mean you look like the man. Yeah, Hank was like, yeah, I do.

[Big Cat]

By the way, did you see Cam Newton tried to make it about himself where he was like, yeah, it's a slap in the face. They didn't call me first.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. I.

[Big Cat]

The difference would be that Phil Rivers, his last time in the NFL, he was not that bad. The last time you were in the NFL, it was bad.

[Hank]

The big difference is that he's best friends with the coach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Running his offense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Do you.

[PFT Commenter]

You think I could stop cussing?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

God, no.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely not. Phil Rivers.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I'll do it.

[Big Cat]

Last. Last time we saw Phil Rivers. The Colts. He took the Colts to 11 and 5. You remember that playoff game against the Bills? His 68% completion percentage? He threw for 4,000 yards. He had 24 touchdowns. He wasn't that bad. You can't stop cussing. Seahawks are better, though. Seahawks are going to win this game.

[PFT Commenter]

It means that much to me. Like, if. Imagine if Philip Rivers goes out there and he beats the Seahawks on Sunday. What a moment that would be. That would be a game that we would never forget for the rest of our lives. Okay, so it would be that magical of a moment.

[Big Cat]

But if you cuss, what's the punishment? I have an idea.

[Hank]

Red hair.

[Big Cat]

I'd look good deposit into the sperm bank for Phil Rivers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. I'll send my boys off. I'll send them off to war. The Yanks are coming, baby.

[Big Cat]

You just swear and you're just all of a sudden, just having to go to the sperm bank every single week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Listen, there's a lot of women out there that. That. I think the cutoff is 5 8. So I'm good.

[Big Cat]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What's some PFT?

[Big Cat]

I mean, you do. You do have, like, great genes. You're. You got blonde hair.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's true. Tan, olive skin, swarthy. I'm a swarthy individual PFT commenter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Last game, Sunday Night Football, Vikings and Cowboys. Cowboys minus five and a half over under 47 and a half. Nine prime time. Nine. By the way, last thing, we didn't talk about the Seahawks because Phil Rivers is the story. I think the Seahawks are going to win. I think the Seahawks are going to maybe kill them. Seahawks are really good. That's why we didn't talk about it.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I echo that point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Anything on nine Prime Time? It's nine Prime Time. Nine.

[PFT Commenter]

What else is there to be said besides it's nine time?

[Big Cat]

I actually like the Vikings to cover this. They technically are not eliminated from the playoffs. They have to go 4 and 1%. They have to go 4 and. Oh, the Bears have to go. Oh. And for. The Lions have to go 1 and 3 and the Panthers and Bucks have to finish with a 9 and 8 record or worse. Yeah, it's a lot of things.

[PFT Commenter]

A lot of stuff has to happen. I think that the. This should be a great game for the Cowboys offense.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Bradford's gonna heat him up. I'm excited to watch nine in prime time.

[PFT Commenter]

He's going to heat him up. I think. I think George Pickens is surprisingly responding to. To his bad game in a very un. George Pickens like way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So everyone at the Cowboys facility has been like, yeah, he knows he had a bad game. He knows he fucked up. He knows he can't change the narrative about that game. But overall, if you look at how he's played this year, it does seem like he's a more mature version of himself than he was in Pittsburgh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Despite what Jason Whitlock might have deleted.

[Big Cat]

I actually, I actually like the. George Pickens had that type of game on Thursday because he reminded everyone, like, hey, you guys all are saying that I'm like the best wide receiver and the best teammate and all that stuff. I just want to remind you I'm still a little crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, I'll be a little crazy if I need to be a little crazy. He's. He's doing a good job of not setting the bar too high.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, also, you want George Pickens to be a little.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't want him to be too tame.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

Because then he loses his edge.

[Big Cat]

Also, guys have bad Games.

[PFT Commenter]

It happens.

[Big Cat]

It happens.

[PFT Commenter]

How many yards do you think Justin Jefferson has over the last three games?

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna say 75, 25, 63.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got 63 yards over the last three games.

[Big Cat]

Jay Jettis.

[PFT Commenter]

Jettison. But I think, listen. Nine.

[Big Cat]

Nine.

[PFT Commenter]

Just. We might get nine.

[Big Cat]

Nine.

[PFT Commenter]

I got nine last week. It happens. We might have back to back nines.

[Big Cat]

9. Brian Schaden Hubbard, by the way, were shiesty in practice. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's trying to. He's trying to identify.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

With his team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He said, I didn't really like it. I couldn't breathe. I don't know how he. He must have. He wore it like George Pickens wears it. I don't, I don't know why the guys like it so much, but I thought, hey, this is the cool thing going on. Let me try it. Kind of like the 6, 7 thing a few weeks ago. I'm a hip guy, but I didn't really like it. It didn't stay on very long. Oh, Brian Schottenheimer feels like that was a little too much. He's trying.

[PFT Commenter]

I appreciate.

[Big Cat]

Little too much.

[PFT Commenter]

I appreciate the fact that he's trying.

[Big Cat]

He is trying, but that was maybe a little too much.

[PFT Commenter]

And I appreciate the fact that he can try stuff and he realizes it's lame and then stop it. Yeah. And be like, I, I tried, but it was dumb.

[Big Cat]

I actually had no problem with this entire quote except saying the 67 thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

There he is with the sh.

[PFT Commenter]

Did we get any footage of him trying?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there it is right there.

[PFT Commenter]

Trying the 67 thing.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I don't know if he did.

[PFT Commenter]

The hands, because if he. The way that he tells the story, it sounds like it was probably the worst 6, 7 of all time. Him and Hunter. Check. We're not getting Trayvon Diggs back. I don't think Schottenheimer talked about him. And he's still sidelined from a quote at home accident.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

That took place just before Washington week seven. I feel like I can recklessly speculate on what happened.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Is speculation. Maybe inform speculation.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

It was an at home injury on a Friday. A Friday night where something heavy fell on his head. Something that he brought maybe into his house. That could tip over easily because maybe somebody else was climbing on it. And maybe that person that was climbing on it might not have been wearing clothes.

[Big Cat]

Talking about a stripper pole. I didn't say that, but I'm. I said that. I guessed.

[PFT Commenter]

If that is what happened. That is the funniest way to get concussed of all time.

[Big Cat]

Of course. I hope he's okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I hope he's okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I think he's cleared concussion protocol a long time ago. And they're just like. You are. You are a weird guy. I don't know if we need you on the team right now. Just kind of don't say anything.

[Big Cat]

Figure it out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. So he's not coming back. Cowboy's still alive. We'll see what happens with the Eagles. They gotta win out, though. They gotta win out.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think you want to play the Cowboys in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

I. We would probably agree. I'd probably agree. Okay, let's do good. Good preview, boys. Let's do our bets and let's do. Let's do our touchdown parlay. We got to hit one. Football season just got even better. Barcelona's bringing you the game of the week every single week through the end of the regular season. Here's the deal. Every Friday, we'll announce a game of the week from the Sunday slate of games. When the game the week drops, all you have to do is share bet slip on that game with the hashtag Barstool GotW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of the $5,000 bonus bets. So listen, guys, we're giving away every single week we're posting ours Barstool game of the week five $1,000 bonus bets that we're giving away all. You got to use that hashtag Barstool GotW. That's right. Five lucky winners every single week this season. Download DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE to get on the action. Don't miss the Barstool game of the week and your shot at $1,000 bonus bet. Share your bet slip and enter today in partnership with DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 877-8-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boothill Casino in resort in Kansas. Pass through of per wager tax may apply in Illinois 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. No purchase necessary. Valid DraftKings sportsbook account and X account required. One entry per person ends January 5th at 7pm Eastern. Bonus bets are non withdrawable and expire in seven days. See official rules and free method of [e-mail] Promos sponsored by Crown Gaming, Inc. Let's hit this. Let's hit this. I got. I got a name I want to throw out there. You ready for it? Amon Raw. We gotta go back there.

[Hank]

I'm down for that. I got another good name for you.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

You're gonna like it. Front of the show. Great guy, George kd.

[PFT Commenter]

Love it. Love, love it. Love that a lot.

[Big Cat]

Pft. You want to do a Sunday night game?

[PFT Commenter]

I was thinking about doing a Sunday night game. I was also thinking about maybe.

[Big Cat]

You want to go Georgie.

[PFT Commenter]

Philip Rivers. Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

Georgie Bounce back.

[PFT Commenter]

Georgie Bounce Back is one of the two that I'm looking at.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Jettis.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm considering. Nah.

[Big Cat]

Statistically do.

[PFT Commenter]

Statistically do. I'm gonna say either George Pickens or Flournoy.

[Big Cat]

Was CD out.

[PFT Commenter]

CD is not listed right now because.

[Big Cat]

He'S in the concussion.

[PFT Commenter]

Because he's in the protocol.

[Big Cat]

Let's go with Georgie boy. You know, if.

[PFT Commenter]

If pick. If Pickens play or if CD Lamb plays, then Flournoy, bad bet.

[Big Cat]

So let's talk this out real quick, because George Pickens, he had a bad game. Everyone saw he had a bad game. What are they going to do? They're going to feed him the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

Let's. Let's think about George Pickens to end a. What is it? Plus 844.

[Hank]

Be fun.

[Big Cat]

That would be fun. Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so we got Pickens. Who else?

[Big Cat]

Pickens. Kittle Amanra.

[Hank]

Where does that lose?

[Big Cat]

Plus 844.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Let's do our bats, and then we'll have Jerry's fantasy minute. Then we're going to talk more ball with Dan Orlovsky. So right now the standings are. I have 18 points. Max has 16. Hank has 15. Pft. 13 and a half. Memes 13. Zach 12 and a half. Very close.

[PFT Commenter]

Boys, what's the punishment we got? It's not cutting time.

[Big Cat]

It is not cutting time.

[PFT Commenter]

I like nipple.

[Big Cat]

Pierce.

[PFT Commenter]

I like. No, we need to.

[Big Cat]

We need.

[Hank]

We need everyone to come prepared. We can't just. Every week we do this. We're not going to decide on one right now.

[Big Cat]

It is close enough.

[Hank]

And then we're going to be like. All right. I like the idea of the outdoor submissions.

[PFT Commenter]

The outdoor boys video would be. That's a good idea that Max had.

[Big Cat]

Isn't he a politician now?

[PFT Commenter]

You see that photo?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we wouldn't be doing a collab. I don't know. We'd just be doing our video.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Max]

Max yeah, we would just do our own video.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Just find somewhere to go. Do an outdoor boys.

[Big Cat]

All right. Next week, we are deciding the punishment because we are close enough that it's. It's not. You know what I mean? Like, everyone's still alive. So are we doing second and last? No, I think we just go last. Or we could do second last. I don't care. We got to figure all this out.

[Max]

Yeah, we'll figure all this out next week.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It's good.

[Hank]

Podcast.

[Big Cat]

We got to figure so out. Yeah, this could be podcasting. We got to figure this out. We got to figure this out. Okay, Picks. Who's up first? Max. Me.

[Max]

I am going. Rams, Lions over 54 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Love it.

[Zach]

I'm going to take the Ravens minus two and a half against the Bengals.

[Big Cat]

Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to take the 49ers minus 12 and a half. Good pick.

[Big Cat]

I'm going to take my official switch on Advisors. Bills, Patriots over 49 and a half.

[Hank]

I'm gonna take the Seattle Seahawks minus 13 and a half. Do I have two?

[Big Cat]

Nope, nope, nope. I'm going to take. God damn it. I wanted the 49ers. I'll go Cowboys minus five and a half.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And.

[Big Cat]

Rams minus six. Rams minus six.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, no, no. Can't do that. Disqualification.

[Big Cat]

Disqualification. Disqualification. Come on. Come on. You get it going. Jets, Jaguars over 41 and a half. Okay.

[Hank]

I would like to take the over.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

And the Browns. Bears.

[Big Cat]

Wow. Has anyone taken the Chiefs? Nope. Chiefs minus five and a half.

[Hank]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

I am going to take the under in Bears, Browns 38, head to head.

[Big Cat]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, boys. It got spicy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Big Cat]

Hank's a. I think Hank is, like, undefeated on his Browns overs this year. It feels like every week he does this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, that's coming to an end.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Zach]

I would like to take the over in the Chargers Chiefs game, if that's still available.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Max]

And Max, I really want to take Raiders plus 11 and a half, but I'm gonna. The shuckster is there, so I'm gonna take Saints plus two.

[Big Cat]

Ooh, Shuckster. Shuck him up. Okay, Jerry. We got Jerry.

[Hank]

I got Jerry.

[PFT Commenter]

Gerard.

[Big Cat]

Gerard. Oh, look at him. God damn it. Looking at the. Seeing the green trees bums me out. Welcome to my neighbor's house. It's uphill a little bit. I'm out of breath. I got one minute.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes.

[Big Cat]

Start the music. Start the music. Memes. Look at all this positivity. My neighbor's house. I don't have this Kind of positivity. All right, we're going to sit the commenter who said I look like an aging lesbian on Wednesday show on YouTube. That was pretty rude. We're going to sit the Eagles offensive line. I watched them. They're terrible. We're going to start A.J. brown's hands. When he sees tweeting. He's so good at tweeting his hands. We're going to sit A.J. brown's hands when he's, you know, trying to catch a ball or on a post route. We are going to sit Jaylen Herz when he's trying to read Hanky. When he's trying to read Don Quixote, he dies at the end. Spoiler alert. Take it too long to read it. Hanky. And we are going to stiff people who hate positivity. We hate positivity. Oh, he's got a knife. Jerry's got a knife.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

Every single week he comes up with a new spot we got to give him credit for. Awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought that was very, very.

[Big Cat]

I thought it was great.

[PFT Commenter]

Good job, Jerry.

[Big Cat]

Love Jerry.

[PFT Commenter]

We got to buy in the playoffs and fantasy football, too.

[Big Cat]

Like, he doesn't just sit in front. If I were tasked with his job, I'd sit in front of the same spot and just, you know.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, we just see back here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If. If this segment were up to us, we just make stupid voices for six years.

[Big Cat]

Exactly. Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interview with Dan Orlovsky. Great time. Talk a ball with him. Before we do that. Pft. You got a couple more ads.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is our good friend Dan Orlovsky here to talk some ball. We haven't had you on all season and I see your takes being fired left and right and I'm always tuned in and you watch the ball. You got, you got good, good thoughts on everything. So let's, let's dive into it. Let's start. Let's start at the top. Let's start at the top. Give me your list of teams that you think can actually win the super bowl this year.

[Dan Orlovsky]

All right. Teams that I truly believe can win it. Number one, Rams. I'll start in the nfc. Rams. Rams. Like, there's no quarterback, wide receiver group right now that sees it the same way consistently. The throws and the catches are stupid right now. I also think their run game is so repeatable that like it's, it's efficient and explosive. Second team in that conference would absolutely be Seattle. If San Darnold's done some stuff recently. When it comes to like this way, I say it is like he's doing things that get quarterbacks in trouble. He's just not getting in trouble. Eventually you will. So that like gives me a little bit concerned. But the defense is just off the charts. Good. So Seattle, what is.

[Big Cat]

Can you tell us what the things he does that gets guys in trouble? Like, what are you seeing? Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So the big thing for Sam, which was his issue before is he's so gifted and talented early in his career that, you know, he would. I would. The way I would say it is like just because you can make all these cool throws with your feet all over the place. Doesn't mean you should. And he had gotten rid of that over the last two years where he. We call it kind of like clicking through progressions. Meaning like, hey, the first guy that I think should be open is not open. Okay. Like don't wait for him to try to get open or then go and make him open. Just get to the second option or the third option and it's almost like a piston where you're just robotic in a way. Hey, one to two to three, clicking through. He was doing a really good job of that. I would tell you. In the last month it hasn't been the case. He's become my constant notice. Stop doing this. Bad word. Stop doing this. And it's not getting him in trouble because the opponent isn't good enough. But it will eventually. So that's got to get more consistent out of Sam. Green Bay. I love Green Bay. I love their defense, I love their offense. Watson, Christian Watson to me has become like, you know, they're, he's not as good as these guys, but like they're Andre Johnson, they're Nico Collins, they're Josh Gordon. Like that offense needs that guy. I would tell you those are the three in the NFC that I'm very confident right now. Afc, Buffalo. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care. I understand their defense isn't very good. They got the best player in the league right now or certainly one of them. If they're at home. I will put money on them to, to go specifically since there's unlikely Josh, excuse me, unlikely Joe, unlikely Lamar, unlikely Pat in there. But Buffalo, just because the quarterback can get hot as anybody. Denver, the defense is good enough. I probably say Houston. I think the defense is that good. I think the defense. How many teams are going to score 20 on them.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You know they.

[Big Cat]

All you got to do is if.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You, if you Houston offensively can score 20, they can go on a three game run. So I would say those New England's there for me. I'm very interested to see, to watch, watch New England play this weekend against Buffalo in a enormous game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So. So you're a little hesitant to put the Patriots in there. Why is that? Obviously, you know Drake May is having a great season. Rabel is an excellent coach, one of the best. So what is it about New England that's. That's making you say I, I want to see more.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I'm, I'm not, I don't stand on like the definitive no side. I just think there is this now, one thing I love about them is, like, they're the team that we don't know how good they are. I would tell you they're the one team that has gotten better almost by the week. They are much better than they were in September. I guess it's the reality of, you know, like, how good are they offensively In a, In a. When you, when you get into, like, the winner, go home game plan, specific area, how good are they offensively? The two rookie offensive line men that are hurt and Campbell at sea. I, you know, I was impressed with the way that they played against the Giants in the first game without those offensive linemen.

[Big Cat]

How.

[Dan Orlovsky]

How long is Campbell going to be out? That's a big injury with a guy that was playing very good. I still think I'm of the belief that the defensers are just going to line up in nickel with putting five defensive backs on the field. You can't let them do that and not just pound the football at them. Milton Williams injury. How. How healthy is he going to be? So I'm not definitive, like, no, I lean more. Yes. But I just think, like, as we get into this December era of football, how good is the youth of this football team? I think goes a long way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And Dan, we. We like to do this with a lot of the guests we have on. It's called time capsule. We'll go into a time capsule real quick.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

So I want you to close your eyes. I'm going to describe to you one game that you had in the NFL, and we. We've busted your balls of the past. We did the thing. We made fun of, the end zone thing. We're not going to do that again. This is a good one for you. I want you to think back to December 4, 2011. You were starting quarterback in the NFL. Do you remember that game? Do you remember who you played against that day?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I was playing for the Colts. We were on the road in New England.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. It was against the Patriots. And you had maybe the best game of your career that day. Do you remember how many yards you threw for?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I think I threw for, like, 368.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I see 353 here.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

But, yeah, you're a member of the 300 Club. So what did that moment mean to you? Every quarterback.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Legit.

[Dan Orlovsky]

That was a fun day. I'm from Connecticut. Patriots were the hottest football team ever for that era. All my friends, for the most part, were Patriots fans. I grew up watching Brady, idolizing Brady. So the fact that, like, we went on the road late in the season, we weren't very good. We were playing a team that was like a real super bowl contender. I was going to get the chance to start. I had 50 people at the game, and then I think we. We score and have the chance to kick an onside kick to go win the game. They recover it, but, like, just having a chance to play in that place against that team and that quarterback kind of in that era. Yeah, dude, that was like one of the coolest days of my career.

[PFT Commenter]

You went off.

[Dan Orlovsky]

What's that? Yeah, we.

[Big Cat]

I threw.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I threw pretty well. I remember I threw a couple touchdown passes, maybe Pierre Garcon. I got absolutely destroyed by Gerard Mayo on one of them. Legal, you know, unsportsmanlike conduct, hit to the chin. And then Tom running up to me, or me running up to Tom, and him being like, hey, way to keep competing. Like, that was as corny as it sounds. Pretty cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's awesome. Congratulations on. On making the 300 Club. It's a big milestone for any career quarterback and really happy to see you on that list of guys that have done it.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I want to know how many guys are on that list.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's.

[Big Cat]

It's more about the guys not on the list, really.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would agree. I think it's like 300 something, maybe two high two 80s. We just had Shador, who got welcomed to the club last week when he kind of went off. So, yeah, it just. It's important to acknowledge, you know, when. When guys and guests of ours, people that we like, they have accomplished tremendous things, and we just want to take our hat off and say, you know, congrats, great job. Great game. Mr. 300. Dan Orlovsky.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I love it. I need that to live on the Internet more than the safety.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll try to make that happen. Yeah. Remember the Dan Orlovsky game?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to talk about a couple quarterbacks with you. Let's talk first about Caleb Williams. Obviously, I'm biased, but I have thought that year two, especially with Ben Johnson, it has looked better. And I know that people will say the completion percentage. I think that's a lot of times people not watching the game and seeing, you know, some of these throwaways or plays that should have been sacks. Anyone else gets sacked and he's able to get out of it and get it away, and it's not perfect. There's still some things that need to be cleaned up. The offense needs to be more consistent, especially like that game against Green Bay. Where it's like if the offense has a pulse in the first half, yep, they don't. They, they Bears can win that game. But what have you seen from Caleb and are you on the positive side of this is growth and it looks like it's getting better?

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, I'm on the extreme positive side. I think that you have to walk away if you go back to August and I, I was very cautious about the pairing of Ben and Caleb and I also think like in this role you have to be willing in the moment to just be as honest as you can and then be willing to, to change the way you're viewing it. And while I was very cautious of the pairing because of the style of offense, I do think if you go back to August and you sit there and say, well, really just forget the team performance. What do you have to see from Caleb to feel good going into 20, 26 and beyond? I would tell you, number one, stop creating problems for yourself. He's absolutely done that now. It took till about October for that to present itself. What do I mean by that? Like a lot of times leaving the clean pocket just because you're an athletic. A lot of times trying to force the ball downfield on first and 20 in a small window because you don't like the check down or the shorter throw in front of you on third down. You know, instead of trusting the progression or trusting the matchup, trying to think or believing I'm the best athlete on the field or one of them, let me go run and make a play. So he's creating less problems for himself, number one. Number two, he's playing more consistently in structure. Is it flawless?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Dan Orlovsky]

There's not a lot of guys in the league that are. But like he's, he's more in structure, he's playing more in rhythm and timing. You see more options where he's underneath the center play fake, whether it's a play action or a drop back and it's like, hey, balls out first hits, balls out first hitch. And so I think his growth and development in the play action game, the third thing is holding onto the football, much less in the confines of the play. Is he holding on the ball at times long? Yes, but that's because there's a pressure. He evades them. He's climbing a pocket and getting outside. And so yes, he's holding the ball for 4 1/2 seconds because he's outside the pocket creating. And so like those things that you said, that has to improve. It absolutely has improved. You know, some of the accuracy stuff, I also would sit here and tell you, like, I don't know if he's ever going to be Joe Burrow, right. Does he have to be? We've lived in this world with. I watch Patrick Mahomes, who's the best player I've ever seen, have inaccurate throws. I watched Lamar Jackson, who's one of the greatest quarterbacks of the last 30 years of the NFL, have inaccurate throws. I watched Josh Allen, who's, you know, having another MVP like season, have an accurate throw. So like those guys aren't necessarily these pinpoint accurate dudes. All over the course of four quarters they do things that overcome that or, you know, kind of make up for it. And so, yeah, I think you got to be really encouraged. Would I love for him to hit the layups more consistently? Yes. Do I think he will once he gets even more reps?

[Big Cat]

For sure, yeah. And I also think like the thing that has changed in my mind and this is you watch the tape, you grind it, you know what you're looking at. I'm going more from a just gut level feeling of it. The when Caleb has a pocket, sets his feet and he lets one rip over the middle of the field, I feel like it's been just money. And that's the, that's like the difference where it's like, you know, there's going to be someone there and he's going to deliver a great ball. And it's just, I have the confidence now that that's what's about to happen.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. And I also say that for sure, like you could watch some of the throws both in the pocket and outside of the pocket bag. Man, that's sweet. You know, and you much rather have, I would tell you, I think most coaches and I would much rather have that guy that can do some of those things. You're like, man, just that there's, you're, there's 10, 12, 14 of you guys on the planet that can do it and then figure out ways to get to, you know, some of the stuff that a player like myself can do. Like, yeah, take this six yard check down, like roll the ball to them. And so I think there's a lot of uncoachable traits there. I'd also say this, they're in a world now and this is where you get into this development phase. Okay. So we're in the middle of December. Essentially, they're a playoff football team. You're so in the world of winning, winning, you know, and how do we win? And so Are we really hyper focused on improvement and development and progressing some of those things? Probably not. Because you're. You're trying to, like, whatever it takes to win games in your preparation within the week is probably very much so. Very much so focused on that. And like, okay, I'm calling this play. How many times has Caleb run this play in a live environment versus this defense? And you get this look, it might be a handful of times. And so I just.

[Zach]

There.

[Dan Orlovsky]

There's been a really good evolution. I. I walk away very much on the positive side.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[PFT Commenter]

Dan, you're 43 years old, correct?

[Big Cat]

42.

[PFT Commenter]

42 years old. Sorry for putting that extra year on there. 42 years old. You look like you're in great shape. You always also look really comfortable. You're like the king of athleisure. You always look like you're just kind of feeling good. I appreciate that about you.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm immature. I would wear sweatpants literally all the time.

[Big Cat]

That's. Listen, if you have a job where you can wear sweatpants, why not?

[PFT Commenter]

You made it. Yeah. You won the lottery. Did you get a call from the Colts or did they pass you over when they. When they called Philip Rivers?

[Dan Orlovsky]

No, I called them. I called them and I said, guys, I am available.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I. I didn't. No, I did not. I. I got a text from a buddy that said, you're. You're younger than Patrick or Philip Rivers. I said, I'm in the Shelton High School hall of Fame. He is going to be in the NFL hall of Fame. So, yeah, I'm shocked. I hope it works out great. I'm skeptical, not because I want to be an A hole, but, like, he's 44. I'm sure he could throw it all that stuff. But it's wild to me that. That this is where it. You gotta feel for Colts fans. Twelve years ago, they drafted Andrew Luck, and you're like, all right, sweet, we got it. And then. Nope, no. Andrew walks away. And then a couple of years ago, it's like, we got Carson Wentz and he goes on, like, a little bit of a run. You're like, carson Wentz is back. And then it falls off the face of the earth. And then we're going to draft the freakas away from Florida. And he has, like, his first game. He launches the ball 100 yards downfield, like, we got a guy. And then he can't do all the necessarily necessary things. He's got a broken face or broken, you know, bone in his face. And then you get Daniel Jones, like, wait, this is the one that's going to solve all the problems, like he's an MVP candidate, And then that happens. So I feel bad for Colts fans.

[Big Cat]

It's been bad. I have a. I have a question that kind of. Outside of what's going on in the NFL this year, and this is a. Permission to glaze you for a second. Do you ever get bothered when people online are like, orlofsky sucked in the NFL? Why are we going to listen to him? Because I, I always. I get bothered for you in the fact that I don't think people realize how hard it is to be good enough to start an NFL game. If you start an NFL game as a quarterback, that means you are one of like a handful of guys that have the talent to be able to be in that position. Whether you end up having a great career or not, you're still really good at quarterback. To even be at that level.

[Dan Orlovsky]

People say that about me on the Internet.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm just saying, like, I see it like. Like our guy Biz gets that. You know, like Biz gets that where it's like he scored seven goals or whatever. It's like. But he made the. Like to make the NHL and play in the NHL, that means you're so much better than so many people. And all of a sudden, because you're not Wayne Gretzky, it's like you can't have an opinion. It's crazy to me.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah. That's why I asked about the 300 yard stuff we were talking about before, because one of 300 or so, like, on the history of the planet, there's 8 billion plus. I don't know how many people there's actually been.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Like I always say, you know, I think there's been just short of like a thousand people that have played 10 or more years in the NFL. So I've played for 12 years, whether I was playing every snap or played sparingly or whatnot, like I did, you know, so I don't get caught. I used to get caught up in that a ton. But, yeah, I don't. Like, I. I live in Westport, Connecticut. Right. We got a lot of really good. Like, my, my. One of my favorite things is, like, we got a lot of really good young athletes. And so some of the times the parents come up to me and they're like, hey, is this time, like, should I get Peter over here private lessons? And I was like, what do you mean? He was like, he was three from four today. For. With three Singles. And I'm like, yeah, it ain't right. It ain't going to happen. Like, it doesn't. He doesn't. That's not real life.

[Big Cat]

And so that's a great point, by the way, because I think that's part of it, is that I saw some. I saw somewhere there was like, a poll, and it was like, 30% of parents thought that their kid was going to play D1 sports, and then 20% thought they were going to go pro. And I think it's more just that, like, people don't. Can't conceptualize that, like, the best athlete you knew is still so far away from being in the pros.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, correct. Like, I. I remember talking to Tyler at dude, perfect, because I've played some sports with Ty and I've golfed with Ty, and, like, he's a good athlete. And so I was like, tell me about, like, your. Your sports background. Like, were you a superstar in high school? Like, because you could just play golf with them, see him move, and he's like, nah, dude, I was. I was very average in high school. And so, like, even that, there's levels. There's just levels. Like, I always. My joke is, when the parents are asking me about it, I'll be like, I'll have Marcus Spears. Marcus Spears is ridiculous. Athletic jeans, him and his wife and his son is the number one Hooper in the country for his age group. And I'll be like, marcus, send me a video of Junior, and I'll take the video and show it to the parents and be like, does your son or daughter look like this?

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Dan Orlovsky]

If not, it ain't happening. You know, like, they don't look like this when they run around and move around and do what they're doing. So, yeah, dude, I also, like, I don't know. I used. I'm going to be honest here. I'll be honest here. I'm going to get killed for it, but I don't care. Like, I used to be one of those people that had that thought of, like, yeah, if you didn't play, I don't know how much I actually care of what you say. This is probably a decade or so ago, and as I've been in this industry and I've been around people who have not played at certainly a high level, but when I hear him talk, I'm like, yeah, you get it. You understand it. You can see it. That's a good point. I. I have the same thought process. You kind of think the same way as me. Like, I've become much more open to like having people who maybe didn't play professional sports have their thoughts on sports. I also didn't play. Did nothing to become 6 foot 5. Some people are like really good athletes. But 5, 9, 5, 10.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And so like, that's not their fault.

[Big Cat]

So. Right.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I don't really care that people say it anymore. I'm so used to it.

[Big Cat]

That's healthy. All right. That was a side tangent because I just always was curious because I get mad for you because I don't think people understand what it. What it takes to get to that level.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It's so I sometimes want to fire. Like, I sometimes want to fire.

[Big Cat]

We'll do it for you. Yeah, you should send a. Text us a. A tweet and we'll just. We'll. We'll on them.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I had a run last year. Someone was saying, like, I think there was something going on. And I playfully always like, comment, sometimes mocking myself. I love self deprecation. And it was something about Calvin and him going into the hall of Fame. I was like, I made him. And everyone was like, you're a little. And that. And so then I think it was the year of 2008. I just posted Calvin's stats because Calvin had like 89 catches for 1500 yards and 13 touchdowns or something. And I was like, yeah, I mean, Calvin, look at the stats, guys. I was the quarterback for that year. No big deal.

[PFT Commenter]

So sometimes I'll fire back. What was it like playing with him? Because Calvin Johnson was a guy, if you didn't watch him play, he was the definition of a cheat code. He was huge. He was strong, he had great hands, he was fast. And he. He retired way too soon in my opinion. Good for him. I'm glad that he felt secure enough to walk away when it was right for him. But I wanted to watch him play more because he was so dominant. When you were playing quarterback with him, was it sometimes just like, I'm going to throw the ball up. That's just the game plan. Calvin is on that side of the field. I'm going to throw the ball in his general direction and he'll figure out what to do from there.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, 100%. I've got so many Calvin stories. One most the most physically gifted athlete I've probably ever been around. He's six foot five. As am. I just remember walking into the. The shower one time and mirrors into the bathroom in our facility and Calvin and I are walking into the shower. Couple of things don't look like the other And Calvin's hips were like, to my chest. And so just he was this long, lean, ridiculous athlete. He had a great work ethic. And I don't need to wax poetic of, like, how good he was. But I'll never forget we were going on the road against Indy. I was starting at this time, and we put in a play where Calvin was going to run like 5 yards and run a hitch route. Just button, hook, hitch, whatever we call it, five yards. It was great. Indy played three, two coverages. Cover three, which is soft, and cover two, which there's a corner right there. And versus cover three, it's a great play. Like, you take the ball, you throw to the better player. It's recess. Like, my guy, just go get eight yards. It stinks. Versus cover two, the play, because the corner is standing right there. So I remember we're installing this play and I'm like, I raised my hand in the install me, and I'm like, hey, what are we going to do versus cover two? And they're like, calvin, if we get cover two, just run a go route. And so a couple seconds ago, I go, what if we.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Dan Orlovsky]

What do you want me to do with the ball if it's cover two? Because in cover two, there's a corner right there and then there's a safety over the top. And they're like, well, if we get cover to just wait a second and throw deep to Calvin. And so my initial reaction is like, you're coaching me to throw in a dub coverage. I can we do something else? And so I was like, I don't like that. Like, can we do something else? And they're like, no, if we get cover to Calvin, just run down the field. And Dan, just throw it high. And I go into the game, I'm like, fudge, we're going to call this play. I'm going to get cover two. I'm going to throw an idiot. I'm going to look like a douchebag. And so drop back or I get the ball. I see cover two and I'm like, Fudge over two dudes. Heads just launched the ball like 30 yards downfield. He plucks it out of the air. And I just looked this out and I was like, I got it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Easy as that. Yeah. Calvin down there. So it was the definition of the meme. Calvin down there somewhere. Yeah, I'm gonna let it rip. Yeah, Dan, I. You had a tweet the other night, which I. I agreed with both sides of it. And you talk about Something that, where, you know, sometimes people on the couch, they just yell stuff at the TV and they don't really know what they're talking about. Sometimes that stuff comes true. So the first part of your tweet, I think meatheads were way ahead of the curve on this. Just watching football and being like running the football in shotgun formation stinks. Using shotgun formation all the time stinks. And your take on it was that the Eagles were in shotgun way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way too much. And we'll get to the second part of your tweet after that, but I just want to hear you explain from like a, an intelligent, football savvy point of view why using shotgun formation all the time is detrimental for an offense.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Oh, okay. So number one, if I line up under center, every play is available to me. When it comes to like the defensive thoughts of what I can do and every direction is available to me. There's very little tendency or tell when I'm the quarterback and I just line up under center and the running backs right behind me. I can hand it off to the left, I can hand it off to the right, I can hand it off inside, inside left. I can end it off outside left, inside right, outside right. I can fake it inside left, I could fake it inside right, I could fake it outside left, I could fake it out, I could drop back, I could throw quick, I could throw it deep, I could throw short. Like there's, I can fake it left and go to outside, to the right. There's everything available. When I line up in the shotgun, there's a smaller option of what I can do and there it's easier for the defense to figure all that out. Okay, if I'm in the gun, in the backs to my left, am I actually going to hand the ball outside left, Am I going to, am I going to hand the ball inside left? Because that's really hard for a tailback to be to the left of a shotgun quarterback, get the ball and then get on the right track. When it comes to the timing of box, am I going to fake the ball to the left and then go all the way out to my right again? You. It's, there's, it's the unlikelihood of. So I think it should shrinks what the defense has to think about. The second thing is when I'm under center, I turn my back to you in a play action fake, you cannot see the ball in the gun. You can all the time. There's always, you can always See the football now Min or Miami would at times like spin2around for some of their play fakes, which I like. But it's not the defense is very rarely when you're in the shotgun playing on their heels. Like if you could imagine a quarterback under center taking a ball or taking the snap and immediately opening up to his left and giving his the defenses back. Defenders are constantly thought go to the ball or go to the ball, go to the ball. So like their initial reaction is like, I don't see the ball, I'm going to go chase the ball, I'm going to chase the action. We're in the shotgun. You constantly see the ball. Quarterback catches it right around chest level. You can see, see always defensive linemen can see. Like if you watch teams, I watch defensive linemen against shotgun teams, they'll the ball gets snapped and like they're engaging with the offensive lineman while also like looking at the quarterback because they can see the ball. So like it's just easier I think. And so I don't think it forces defenses to play nearly as in doubt which is should be one of your offensive goals. And so that's the deep dive of like at least the initial point of why I, I don't like it as much as under center.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's a great explanation. Yeah. And then the second part of your tweet was about Justin Herbert, the quarterback for the Chargers. After Monday Night Football. You said Herbert is an animal champion warrior legend, high praise. Is that the first? Is he the only animal champion warrior legend? Is there anybody else who's in it? Is this just something like on the fly you just, you typed animal and you're like that's not enough champion, champion. That's not enough warrior. That's not enough ledge. Or did you hit like the autofill thing that's at the top right of your screen where it's like you might want to use this word. Next, I want you to walk us through the animal champion warrior legend honor that you bestowed up.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So my favorite version of football is high school football. I, I just, I love high school football. My kids are about to be playing high school football. That is a saying from when I played high school football. So I played high school football in Shelton, Connecticut. It's a, it's called the Valley. It's a little bit of a blue collar town. And our, our coach and our strength coach at this time was a dude named Chris Anderson. Total maniac, absolute psychopath in the best way. And so like he had this saying of like, creating the identity of what we were going to be as high school football players, athletes. And it was an animal champion warrior legend.

[Big Cat]

And it was like, this is.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, dude, it was.

[PFT Commenter]

That's great.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And so, like, we. That was. And he. He also had this saying called mafu Mafu. We used to chant it on the sidelines, like, mental toughness, animal warrior, fanatical effort and unity. That's what mafu stood for. Used to be on third down. And so, like, the animal champion warrior legend was like that badge of honor as a high school football player where, like, if you got to that level, like, you were. You were a dude. And so, like, it just. I actually got text messages from them the other day, like, hey, this is copyrighted. You can't use this.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I get it.

[Hank]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's actually a great description for our. He played like a tough ass high school quarterback on Monday Night Football with that broken hand. So, yeah, listen, good job describing it. I think that. I think you nailed it. He's an animal champion warrior legend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, he was.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And I tweeted that you and so many people were like, he sucked. He played terrible, Herbert, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I never said anything about how he played. I just said, yeah, playing with a broken hand after surgery, hats off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Getting sacked seven times. All right, so on the other side of that game, the Eagles, are they broken beyond repair? Max seems to think so, but give him some positivity. Like, is there a fix here? Because their defense is really, really good. And you saw it on Monday night. It's. If their offense can figure it out a little bit, they could be back in the Super Bowl. Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

So I actually liked a lot of what I saw from their offense on Monday night. I, and probably more encouraged coming out of that game than I have been in two months with their offense for two months, it's just been like, you're predictable, you run the same routes. Your offense is a very pass game wise, like, straight line. There's very little horizontal. There's very little play action. And so I saw a lot more of the things that I believe are needed in offensive football nowadays in the NFL. Yes, interceptions. Two of them are dropped. One of them is a bad decision by the quarterback. Another is not having to plan for pressure. So, like, I'm not sitting here, everyone telling, like, yeah, this is. This is solving all the issues, but I do think if you clean up three or four or five plays, which Hertz has notoriously done, I think that there's a lot to be encouraged from Lane Johnson's got to get healthy. We all know that. So, I mean, that's just like watching them play. I think if you can clean up some of that stuff, the likelihood of them dropping two interceptions not going to be a consistent thing. So, like, I do believe walking away from that game, there's a lot on tape that you can sit there and go like, hey, we there. This, this was a better and more creative scheme and version of who we can be this year. We can't talk about last year anymore. They say the same group as last.

[Big Cat]

Year.

[Dan Orlovsky]

But I don't like, listen. You hear stuff about what's going on behind the scenes, whether it's true or not, whether there's reality to, you know, the A.J. brown and Jalen hurts not getting along. You hear it. I don't know whether that people are running frustrated once again with the quarterback. You hear it. I don't know if that's true. That's not me spreading rumors or gossiping. You just hear it. So, like, is that stuff as hard to overcome as. Even as much as like a lack of talent or scheme diversity? Yeah, like, I think when they went on their super bowl run, it was like the tightest team ever. This feels like with all the noise that you're hearing around, like a team that might be separating and like the. The furthest from that. And so I do think that it's. They can get it together scheme wise if they clean some stuff up. But will they get it together when it comes to like, truly, like love playing with each other? Like, you could watch Buffalo play and you're like, those dudes love playing football together and those dudes love playing football together. I don't necessarily get that vibe when I watch Philly.

[Big Cat]

And the craziest part is if A.J. brown catches that pass, like, a lot of this feels better because they win a big game on Monday Night Football and it was a great throw from Jalen. Hurts.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah, totally. And I, you know Jalen. It's Jalen, he's such a lightning rod because, and I've said this, I used to be crazy critical of Hertz and I used to be like. And then he goes on, you know, he has a season where he's kind of trending towards an mvp and then he goes to the super bowl and he, he plays just as good, if not better than Patrick and they lose on the last play of the game. They have a down year under a new coordinator. He goes to this, this past 2024 season. He goes on a really good run. He plays good during the regular season. Okay. But he has a pretty darn good playoff run. He's ridiculous in the Super Bowl. And so you're like, all right, I can't necessarily hate on you all the time. You're. You're proving everybody who hates on you wrong. You ball in the biggest moments. If I took you outside right now and we just took all the starting quarterbacks and we just put you in shorts and we threw it, you wouldn't be the guy that you're like, that's the pick I want. You know, like, he'd probably be in the, you know, the 15 to 18 range as far as like just dropping back and throwing the football and in looking like a, a thrower or a passer. But he's big in big time moments. And so like. No. Are we taking Jalen Hurts as a, a superstar, stereotypical quarterback? No, but I do think that he's just played at a high level in big moments.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he has. And Max, do you feel any better? He gave you a little bit of positivity.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's positivity. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, thank you.

[Max]

I, I appreciate, I appreciate the, the, the explanation.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you for the attempt.

[Big Cat]

All those words you said, I will not take any of them into consideration.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I saw they were asking Nick Sirianni today in press conferences if he was going to bench Hertz.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Great question by the media. Yeah, great question. I'm just so glad that the question was asked. It tells me that the media still got their fastball.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I mean, this dude 11 months ago won MVP of the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They're like, hey, Tanner McKe, though things change. Might win multiple Super Bowls. You never know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Which. Which of these two teams do you think is more dead? The Chiefs or the Cowboys?

[Dan Orlovsky]

That's a great question. I would tell you that. I think it's the Chiefs. I think it's the Chiefs for the now and for like the immediate future.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I, I was just assuming that the Chiefs, they go through their eras appropriately and.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And now they're in their eras era and then after this they're just going to reinvent themselves and be fine.

[Big Cat]

But.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Why do you, why do you say that one?

[Dan Orlovsky]

This is a team that's been trending for two years now with the. We just got a, like self inflicted wounds hurt us.

[Zach]

We.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Maybe it's not just the self inflicted wounds. Like maybe there's been a lot masked because, you know, the quarterback and the coach have been so good in so big moments. So like, if you look at the Chiefs right now, unlikely to make the playoffs, what's big question marks with okay, what does Travis do for his future? There's $32 million over the cap for next year. How do you rebuild the offensive line? That once again has been disappointing. The defense has fallen off the face of the earth. This is a defense that for the last two, three years has been top five in just about everything. Their bottom five in a bunch. And their main identity was pressure. They're like one of the worst blitzing teams when it comes to like the ability to blitz, the efficiency of blitzing, the execution of blitzing. Their best cover corner has kind of had an up and down year in McDuffie. And so like Chris Jones, what's his future? He hasn't been nearly as dominant. And so for a team that has that much money over the cap and going to have to. It feels like not only make some decisions from like an organizational perspective on some guys, but maybe those guys also having to make a decision. And this is a division that with the Chargers and the Broncos are just like doing this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

And so like, I think that there's a real. Okay. What truly is the future of Kansas City. We know Patrick's ridiculous and this doesn't say anything other than that. But like, I just think like, this is a little bit. I don't know if it's just a snap my fingers and all of a sudden we're back to being, you know, the super bowl favorite next year. Because there's, there's a lot of unknown and question mark where it's like if you're Dallas offensive lines, really good and cheap.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Dan Orlovsky]

The receivers are ridiculous though. Franchise tag pickings would be my guess. Dak played great this year. You got a young back that you like. The defensive line is much improved. You know, I think that there's like a reality for Dallas with some of their picks. You're sitting there going, dallas can be a really good football team next year if they draft well and are able to like maneuver the cap a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay, Dan, I got one last question for you. This is always great having you on. We love having you on. Roback? Rho B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take I want to ask you about a team that gets not a lot of media coverage, but you can make the argument is One of the hottest teams in the NFL, the Jacksonville Jaguars. Are they for real?

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm going to say, yes, they're for real. One, we talked about the conference being wide open. It depends on who shows up at quarterback. I think Trevor Lawrence has plays and stretches where, like, you're the best player in football. Like, you.

[PFT Commenter]

You.

[Dan Orlovsky]

You look like the best player of the position. I mean, he has some throws and some plays athletic running. I think he's much more athletically instinctual this year. He's. He's less robotic, which has always been my complaint about Trevor. You're trying to be too perfect. Just freaking go play. Like, I don't know if you've seen Trevor in person, but, like, Trevor's. He's a monster. I mean, he's a monster. And sometimes, like, so, like, he's much better in that regard this year. And so, again, he has place. You're like, holy crap. And then he has plays. You're like, what are you doing, dude? Like, why did. Like, why you. Why did you do that? Like, why did you make that throw? And so, like, it's what guy shows up. The defense is good. They're aggressive. I don't think that they're locked down or. Or dominant, but, like, dude, if Trevor shows up and those receivers are playing at the level, they got to catch the football. Like, can. Can Jacksonville go on the road to the Chargers and beat them? No question. You know, can they get to the final four of the afc? Yeah, absolutely.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Jaguars are going to be very. I feel like they have been disrespected a little bit. Like, people are not taking them seriously as a football team right now, and they've been playing really good football. Football. Especially since that. The. The fourth quarter against the Texans when Liam Cohen was like, just let it rip, dude. Let it rip.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, man.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what he's done. I looked it up. You are the. You're one of 412 quarterbacks to ever throw for 300 yards in a game, so congrats. I thought it was a little more than that, but that's the modern era.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I'm gonna respond to a lot of the stuff on the Internet with saying, I'm Not 1 of 1. 1 of 412. And see who picks it up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Orlovsky]

See who gets it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's an elite club. Congratulations on being in it. And so, yeah, we like having you on, Dan. Thank you for the insight.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Dan Orlovsky]

I appreciate you guys. Good to be with you.

[Big Cat]

All right. And also, congrats on calling Monsters, Inc. That was sick, dude.

[Dan Orlovsky]

It was awesome. It's a lot of fun, you know, like, I think is what the game helped it, you know, like, the game was such a, like, chaotic disaster that it was actually ideal for that type of setting. My son, I do it for my. Mainly for my son. Like, it's cool to be a part of, but my son, who's autistic, loves character creation and animation and imagination. So, like, he honestly was the happiest human on the planet.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Very cool.

[Big Cat]

I love it. I love it. All right, Dan. Thanks so much, man.

[Dan Orlovsky]

All right, boys.

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[Big Cat]

Firefest of the week, Hank.

[Hank]

I'm getting banged by the auto industry.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Hank]

I don't really know. I don't really know what to do.

[Big Cat]

We've got so many positivity animals.

[PFT Commenter]

You got hit by a car?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Probably less than two months ago.

[Big Cat]

My.

[Hank]

I had like a, you know, you're losing pressure in your tire like, signal that kept coming out of my car, kept filling it up, kept coming on. I'm like, all right, it's probably something wrong with my tire. Brought it in to get One simple fix. And then they banged me. They're like, well, you need to fix. Replace this tire. You should probably replace all four before. And here's like, six other things that it's not mandatory that you replace them, but you probably should. And I was like, it. Like, my car's already getting here. Save the time. If I have to do it again, like, this will. This will set me. I'll be good for like, a year at least.

[PFT Commenter]

They pretty much had your car hostage.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then they came out and they're like, if you want to get it back, I'd highly recommend you do all this.

[Hank]

And then today, my entire thing was like. It was. It was worse than it ever was. Came back on new tire. Same, same. Like my back. Left tire.

[Big Cat]

But you have a sick car.

[Hank]

I have a sick car, but I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Big Cat]

Is it the sickest car?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Who's got the sickest?

[Hank]

Probably the El Camino.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But, like, no non secondary car.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks. Right.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean, like, non secondary cars? Your primary car. Is your car sicker than mine?

[Hank]

It's cool. It's. Yeah. It's fresher. It's more custom.

[Big Cat]

Your car is sicker than mine.

[Hank]

More custom.

[Big Cat]

You're not saying your car's sick anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank's also put a lot of work into his car. Yeah.

[Hank]

And I'm gonna have to now put.

[Max]

More crazy that Hank bullied you into getting a new car.

[Big Cat]

But then I got a way sicker car than him.

[Hank]

But you do have a second bull.

[Big Cat]

But I. But now he can't. I guess he can't say, because I got a sicker car than you, bro.

[Hank]

You do have a sicker car than me.

[Zach]

That's a fact.

[Hank]

But when it's parked next to Jerry's car, it kind of looks like. Lil, bro.

[PFT Commenter]

That is. That's accurate.

[Big Cat]

That's fine. Jerry needs a booster seat to get in his Escalade.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Imagine. Imagine that.

[Hank]

I also saw the new Hummers yesterday on the street. Looks kind of sick.

[PFT Commenter]

The one, the crab walk.

[Hank]

It's like, although it's electric, which, like, kind of defeats the entire purpose of Hummer.

[Big Cat]

Also, Jerry lives in the suburbs. He can have a car that like that. I can't like, driving that around, and parking in the city would suck.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, I. I did consider getting the. The electric Hummer because it does a thing. You can crip walk your car. It goes, like, sideways.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's all.

[Big Cat]

That would be very. Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but. Yeah, it just. It sucks. It sucks because I'm such a. And I know that I'm not gonna do anything, but I know, like, I should cause a stink.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, what. What do they need to fix?

[Big Cat]

Whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Hank]

I have to bring it in again, but it's like, I brought it in a month and a half ago, and.

[Big Cat]

It cost me a nail in your tire.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. I don't know.

[Hank]

I got a new tire.

[Big Cat]

Like, it's just. Yeah. I don't know why you got a new tire when you probably just had.

[Hank]

I got four new tires.

[PFT Commenter]

And this sounds like.

[Big Cat]

Got you on that one.

[Hank]

Yeah, but then it's the same.

[PFT Commenter]

Same issue, so it's not.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's like, be your back left tire. It's like, almost like they got to.

[Big Cat]

Check the computer set up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it sounds like a skill issue. It sounds like you're driving your car over something that.

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That deflates it.

[Big Cat]

Well, Max, your. Your mic is on. Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

That was me.

[Big Cat]

That was me. I thought it was Hank. Suspension. I was gonna say that. Where.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, your suspension's wrong.

[Hank]

They fixed.

[Big Cat]

You gotta figure this out.

[Hank]

Everything that they said I should fix, even if it was mandatory, I said, fix it. Same thing.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's why you got banged.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If you go in and just say fix everything. No, no.

[Hank]

They're like, you got to replace the tire. And then also, like, it was like, your alignment and suspension should probably be fixed. I'm like, you know what? It. I'll spend the money. Just fix everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, but now you're gonna go in with the tan and the bleach hair.

[Hank]

True.

[PFT Commenter]

They're gonna know not to with you.

[Big Cat]

True. Yeah, True. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This guy means business. He's probably gonna blade on him. It's true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

My firefest of the week is. Kind of laughed about it a second ago because it's kind of funny. We're just filming a commercial this week, and one of the scenes was in the El Camino, and me and Zach were in there. Zach did a great job, by the way.

[Big Cat]

Good job, Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

In the commercial shoot, and they were trying to frame up the shot correctly, and guy came over to me. He's like, hey, pft. Can. Can we fold up this blanket and have you sit on it to make your. To make your head higher? I looked over at Zach. I go, zach, this doesn't leave the car.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

This never happened.

[Big Cat]

It.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm A. I'm a consummate professional. And I was like, yeah, sure, yeah, no problem. I'll sit on. I'll sit on the booster blanket. No problem. But, yeah, it was. It was announced in front of the entire crew. Time for you to get on a booster blanket. Oh, yeah, whatever. I'm as God made me. I was just reminded that when Hank was talking about the booster thing with Jerry, and then my real fire fest of the week is the level of discourse with the James Madison Dukes and the Oregon Ducks, I think, has reached critical mass. I think we've had. We've gone through all the different phases where we're like, why isn't Notre Dame in? Why is the playoff set up like this? They're going to get blown out. I've tried to be very humble about everything because I know that Oregon is a much bigger, stronger, more physical team, loaded with NFL guys on that roster. JMU has some great players, but they've probably got, like, three guys that could play on Ducks. And then yesterday, Bud said that it was possibly a health and safety issue.

[Big Cat]

Bud Elliott.

[PFT Commenter]

Bud Elliott. Yeah. Bud Elliott was like, this has become a health and safety issue.

[Big Cat]

You threw. You threw out Bud. Like, he was good friend of ours.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Bud said it.

[Big Cat]

But Elliot, co host with Tom Forelli on the COVID three podcast. Great podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

And he knows. He knows way more about every roster than I could ever imagine to scratch a surface. Surface of. He. He knows.

[Big Cat]

So you're saying it is a healthy city.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he said he reached the point where he was like, I'm worried for the health and safety of JMU playing against Oregon. Like, Oregon doesn't play against FCS teams every year. Like, Oregon doesn't play against bad.

[Big Cat]

But not in playoffs games.

[PFT Commenter]

Not in playoff games. But it's the. The discourse has now gone so far off the charts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That I'm just ready to say it. Let's go win the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Why not?

[Big Cat]

Because they're.

[PFT Commenter]

Why not?

[Big Cat]

Listen, I. I'm rooting for you. I'm going to bet on jmu. I want you guys to shock the world because I think it'd be awesome and hilarious and I don't like Oregon. I have nothing. Oregon has given me some bad losses. Although in football, they've given me some bad losses. But if you want me to play devil's advocate, why not? Organ's better.

[PFT Commenter]

Why not, though?

[Big Cat]

Because they're so good that it actually is potentially a health and safety issue.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not a health and safety issue.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying it's a health and safety.

[PFT Commenter]

Issue to pretend to be concerned that. That people are going to be going to the hospital in this game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because the Oregon Ducks are so much better than. Than jmu. You know what?

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna use the J. Billis. It's a little bit disingenuous. Yeah. Yeah. We're not the best team. Yeah. They're much better than us. Yes. Notre Dame is a much better football team than we are. Don't care. I'm. I'm at the point now where it's like the. The public is now so anti Tulane and anti JMU that now I have to be. Fuck you. Let's go win the football game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for Tulane because I want to see it shoved in the. Like. I'm a firm believer. I understand Notre Dame should be in, and I think they should have been in over Alabama. But I don't think that you can have a college football play. People will say, oh, you can't have a college football playoff without the 12 best teams. You also can't have a college football playoff if you just eliminate half of the sport just because they're smaller schools. Yeah. So they got to find an equal place. Last year, like I said, we had 12 teams in. The bottom half of them were not good enough. This year we had too many teams.

[PFT Commenter]

It happens also in the first round of the playoffs last year. If you look at the scores, they were lopsided. They're almost all blowouts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I would argue that maybe the biggest blowout might have been the closer game, which was Indiana against Notre Dame.

[Big Cat]

Those. It was Ohio State, Tennessee. Remember that game?

[PFT Commenter]

That was a blowout.

[Big Cat]

That was a kick.

[PFT Commenter]

But I know Indiana lost by like 10 points, but that game, it felt like it was a 35 point victory for Notre Dame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So people are like, you might get blowouts. Guess what? You had blowouts before. It's not a health and safety issue. Stop saying it's a health and safety issue.

[Big Cat]

Okay. No one say it. My Firefest is simple. Well, it's. It's just everyone in this office is sick. And I am, knock on wood, feeling okay right now. But I think that the timing has set me up for failure where I'm going to get sick right when we take a break. And it's bullshit. And it's not right.

[PFT Commenter]

It happens.

[Big Cat]

It's not right. It shouldn't be. Like, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be allowed. Shouldn't be allowed. I don't get. We get very few breaks in the. In the calendar year. They're gonna get me sick right before the break.

[PFT Commenter]

Our bodies know. And I guess this is a safe space to be sick.

[Big Cat]

Now it doesn't help because I just don't sleep either. There's just. No, my house, we don't do sleep. It's fucking crazy. We just don't do sleep. No one sleeps. We just. Every night, we just. We. At 2 o' clock in the morning, it's a fucking party in my house. So what's up? We doing something? Oh, we're up. Oh, we just want to walk around and do shit. That's just what we do in my house.

[PFT Commenter]

On the nights where I do go to bed early, those are nights that I can't fall asleep, but I'm like, too tired.

[Big Cat]

I fall asleep. I then get woken up every single. I'm on a streak of like a month straight of being woken up in the middle of the night.

[PFT Commenter]

That's tough.

[Big Cat]

It's fucking brutal. We don't sleep. It's just a rule in my house. No sleep. You got no naps. Right, Hank? I got no sleep.

[Hank]

Top day rules.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I can't believe I woke you up that one time.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, when was that?

[Big Cat]

That was when the podcast didn't post.

[Max]

No, no, that was Taylor Swift.

[Big Cat]

Oh. Oh, yeah, that's right.

[PFT Commenter]

Why? What happened with Taylor Swift?

[Big Cat]

We thought we were gonna get sued because we had Taylor Swift on.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. At the. At the invitation.

[Big Cat]

That was better safe than sorry. Oh, yeah, that's right. I was like, how did you wake me up? I have my phone on silent. Yeah, you came in. Came in and. Yeah, that's. That might have been the night before. That might have been the last time I slept a full night. So you started the streak. Oh, no, the night before. That was that.

[Max]

No, I think Zach did it the night after.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the night after.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just woke up at five in the morning for no reason, just to wake me up.

[Zach]

That was bad.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I actually think that there's like a conspiracy. I. I had the thought because I had like two weeks ago. I want to say I had a night where my kids didn't wake me up and Stella had diarrhea. So it was like I was up like four times in the middle night taking her out. I was like, I think there's a conspiracy going on to make sure I don't sleep. But guess what? Built different. I got it. Knock on woke. Because I really don't want to get sick. All right, Zach, finish this off.

[Zach]

My fairface of the week is a quick one as well. It's dead car batteries. So we were. The other day we had to do some like Chevrolet Jenga in the back in the garage because we've got. We got double Vanny and we got the El Camino coming in for the winter.

[Big Cat]

And they all do.

[Zach]

And so none of them currently start. Currently, Ron.

[Big Cat]

For.

[Zach]

For like maybe a number of reasons.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're.

[Zach]

They're pretty parked. We need to make space. The double vans, they're kind of long, full size vans. Right. And so we had to like, we'll start the double van ease to get the Camino in. We weren't sure if we're going to pull them up and go sideways or if we were going to take one out and replace it. But then take one out and replace it went away because nothing is starting. So we're kind of brainstorming on like, how do we move these massive.

[Hank]

We should get a third van.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we should. But make sure it doesn't work. So we got the Jenga.

[Zach]

Yes. And we can't. But we. So the idea. We're finally.

[Hank]

We're like, I almost drove Vanny 1.0 through a storage container.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I thought.

[Hank]

I thought taking it out of park.

[Big Cat]

Would.

[Hank]

Would help start it.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, did it?

[Hank]

No, but it started rolling.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, your foot wasn't on the brake.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's great.

[Zach]

I think it might be less a foot on break than more. So. Doesn't have that much brakes. Because the day before I almost ended up between the storage container and the van.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God.

[Zach]

Because the plan was all right, we'll just go in neutral and roll it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But the garage is on a hill.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So she's a heavy.

[Zach]

And there's a. There's two dudes from the shoot. The tow truck guy down there and like the. The vote on just roll them ended up being the majority. But then they're just like, okay, we'll get in front of it and hold it. Like, we're just strong enough guys to stop this van from coming down mountain. Me and the two dudes from the shoot. And Dom's in the driver's seat trying to get it together, make sure he stops it. And then we're like, this will work. We're strong enough. And then immediately after Dom comes off or goes into the break, you see him stand up out of the seat, like, full body weight on the brake. And it was just almost us three dudes inside the storage unit.

[Big Cat]

Destroyed by the van.

[Zach]

And I learned a valuable lesson on, like, maybe speak up sometimes.

[Big Cat]

So you guys almost got killed by vans that can't even start.

[Zach]

Yes. Yes.

[Big Cat]

That would be a hell of a way to go out bad. Yeah. So now I got hit by a car. Oh, man. It must be going fast. No, it actually doesn't even start.

[Dan Orlovsky]

Doesn't run.

[Zach]

So I think I'm gonna start speaking up just in those kind of situations.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you got it. You got to speak up more.

[Zach]

We were going with the flow too much, and it almost ended in catastrophe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Gotta speak up more, Zach. Also, you did a good job this week. You woke up at the right time every single day.

[Zach]

That. Okay, that was a tough one. We. We got a new. We got a new alarm app.

[Big Cat]

Oh, TJ Put you onto it?

[Zach]

Put me onto alarm app. Subscription based. But, I mean, these things. Some things are worth it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Why do you subscribe to an alarm?

[Zach]

I subscribe to alarm because I had. I had a wake up issue the other day.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I was on yesterday's time.

[Max]

This.

[Hank]

What could us. I guess this is where it's going to promote it. What could a subscription possibly offer?

[Big Cat]

Louder alarms.

[Zach]

You have to.

[Big Cat]

Do you have the ball for it to go off. To turn it off. Yeah. What if you're bad at math?

[Zach]

I am bad at math.

[PFT Commenter]

So we have to start every day off with a math problem.

[Zach]

Yeah, you just start off with a.

[Big Cat]

Math problem, because the yesterday or two days ago, Zach's problem was not. The alarm didn't go off. The alarm went off. He just set it too early, and then he went back to sleep.

[Zach]

It was on the yesterday alarm. Then I got caught in this half sleep, not sleep void.

[Max]

Right.

[Zach]

And I let the sleep void win.

[Big Cat]

Right. So now you're gonna have to do a math problem to get out of the sleep.

[Zach]

Several math problems.

[Big Cat]

But I. What are the math problems?

[Zach]

I. I think T.J. was showing me. It's like basic math, but unfortunately, I did fall asleep outside my phone off the charger. So I. I didn't get to do the math problems till I cut it back on this morning, and luckily, the backup backup alarm still went off.

[Big Cat]

Okay, that's. What's. The backup backup alarm.

[Zach]

I got. I got the. I got the bomb and I got the Alexa and then my phone.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the worst way to wake up, though, to do a math problem. Open my. I'd be like, am I in hell?

[Zach]

Yes. But nothing's. It's still better than not waking up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we'll.

[Zach]

We'll we'll take hell over shame. And anything that could come with not waking up all day.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. Good. Fire festival.

[Zach]

You guys, too.

[Big Cat]

Good show, boys. Week 15. Enjoy it. Make sure you enjoy it. Savor it. Who do you like down?

[PFT Commenter]

Army. Navy.

[Big Cat]

Army. Navy. Over. Personal. Personal challenge.

[PFT Commenter]

Respect.

[Max]

I like Villanova over Tarleton.

[PFT Commenter]

We're talking about this game. Too much.

[Max]

Fcs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That was too much.

[Big Cat]

Wrap it up. Come on, come on.

[PFT Commenter]

Wrap it up. Max.

[Max]

Fcs.

[PFT Commenter]

Nobody cares.

[Max]

Big villain of a football guy, number three.

[Big Cat]

Good job. I'm running for Shane here. Job. Good job. Memes. Why are you wanting two? He just needs a win. Why? What happened? Just needs one. What? Max been bullying him all week. Has Max lost? Has he been bullying you? Shane, you've been bullying Shane. Has he been bullying you?

[Max]

Shane is Memes.

[Big Cat]

Everyone's been bullying.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm take 15.

[Big Cat]

I'll take 57. 8. 44. 19. 23.

[Max]

Oh, 23.

[PFT Commenter]

What you have, Hank.

[Big Cat]

22, man. Oh, well, he didn't get it. One more, one more, one more, one more.

[PFT Commenter]

Same number.

[Big Cat]

We're getting really close to it, Memes. Oh, Shane almost got it. He was thinking of the number.

[PFT Commenter]

You got this, Shane.

[Big Cat]

Come on, Shane. Everyone's got the same number. Say it again. 57. 19.

[Zach]

100.

[Max]

44.

[Hank]

15.

[PFT Commenter]

8.

[Big Cat]

93. 93.

[Max]

So many threes have been so many.

[Big Cat]

Threes, but not the three you need. Memes.

[Max]

39.

[PFT Commenter]

Guesses away, man.

[Big Cat]

You're never gonna get it.

[PFT Commenter]

If somebody had won, then we should get a picture taken of them. And then. Shane, could you make a thumbnail of that? I could do that.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Sweet you.

[Big Cat]

Thanks.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

Sa.