Doug Pederson In Studio, Week 5 Picks And Preview, Playoff Baseball, Big Cat Won The 50/50 And An All Time Fyre Fest

Summary

Pardon My Take — October 3, 2025

Episode: Doug Pederson In Studio, Week 5 Picks And Preview, Playoff Baseball, Big Cat Won The 50/50, And An All-Time Fyre Fest

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Episode Overview

This packed Friday episode of "Pardon My Take" delivers classic PMT energy, featuring Super Bowl-winning head coach Doug Pederson in-studio, a hilarious deep-dive into NFL Week 5, playoff baseball breakdowns, Big Cat finally winning his hallowed 50/50 raffle at Wrigley (and the Fyre Fest it caused), and the usual cast antics. The hosts bounce between insightful sports commentary, absurd hypotheticals, and memorable personal moments, creating a lively roller coaster of a show.

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Key Segments & Timestamp Guide

• Thursday Night Football & NFL Week 5 Preview: 03:00–39:00
• Playoff Baseball Reactions: 12:41–41:00
• Big Cat Wins the 50/50 Raffle/Fyre Fest: 34:36–45:00
• NFL Preview & Picks, Blind Resumes & Hot Takes: 48:33–86:43
• Doug Pederson In-Studio Interview: 137:01–191:51
• Weekly Fire Fest/Roundtable: 191:55–220:21

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Detailed Breakdown

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Thursday Night Football, Shanahan Masterclass, and QB Discourse

[03:00–12:41]

• Big Cat, PFT, and Hank begin by recapping a wild Thursday Night Football game between the 49ers and Rams, praising Kyle Shanahan's "masterclass" with a depleted roster and debuting Mac Jones as a Niners starter.
• Memorable quote (Big Cat, 03:31): "That was a Kyle Shanahan masterclass...Short week, divisional opponent, goes down to LA with Mac Jones and he wins the game in overtime. And Mac Jones balled out with probably the largest knee brace I've ever seen in my life."
• Discussion about Shanahan's ability to make QBs look good: "Find yourself working with Kyle Shanahan as a quarterback, you can make yourself a shitload of money." (PFT, 05:12)
• Overtime management and coaching chess matches are dissected, with PFT comparing it to high-level drinking card games among longtime friends.
• Rams' performances, Stafford's resilience, and controversial ref calls are discussed.
• NFC/AFC "bad team" power ranking and the growing pains of the Rams; playful banter about historic QB benches.

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Playoff Baseball: Highs, Lows, and Wild Moments

[12:41–41:00]

• Emotional reactions to Yankees beating Red Sox and rookie Cam Schlitler's breakout. "He earned his pinstripes...8 innings, 12 Ks, 0 walks. That was a good series, high-level playoff baseball." (Big Cat, 13:00)
• Vibes check: Hank insists "Yankees did not win it," to which PFT counters, "Are you just being a hater now?" (15:58)
• Rival fans ponder if Aaron Judge has "earned his pinstripes"; jokes about "Adolf Schlit," and reliving A-Rod's infamous slap. "If you do this in your Yankee debut, I would say pinstripes, but for Aaron Judge...not a true Yankee. Probably not even...I'll take him out of the Hall of Fame." (PFT, 16:46)
• Tigers erase the Guardians' comeback; Max rages about the Dodgers' unfairness but concedes bullpen issues. "You know what they don't got, Max? They don't have Red October. The bank." (PFT & Max, 18:44)
• Debate about juiced radar guns in baseball and Ichiro’s ongoing love for the game. The Mariners' "all-time high vibes" are celebrated.
• Big Cat addresses Cubs’ playoff success, controversy about balls/strikes, and praises Michael Busch and Dansby Swanson's defense. "Playoff baseball is just the most…I was scared the whole time." (Big Cat, 24:39)
• Cubs superfan moments: Tom Ricketts pouring beer on Eddie Vedder.
• Celebrity sports town allegiances are humorously dissected (Cusack, Fallon, Rob Lowe).

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Big Cat Wins the 50/50 Raffle — A PMT Core Memory

[34:36–45:00]

• Big Cat delivers an emergency press conference on finally winning the Cubs' 50/50 raffle. “I completed a lifelong goal...12, 13 years I’ve been doing the 50/50 raffles, like on camera. I wanted it, I finally won it, I wanted a playoff game at Wrigley, 108,000 was the pot, so I won four. All right..."
• He describes his strategy and heartfelt connections to 50/50: "For all the haters and losers out there who said I'd never win it, I did it. I never gave up." (Big Cat, 28:06)
• Big Cat announces donating all winnings (and more) to "Lost Boys," a Chicago youth baseball/mentoring program. “It was never about the money. It was about the love of the game.” (Big Cat, 31:28)
• PFT cracks jokes: “If you win again, are you going to keep it?” “No, I’m going to donate it again. I’m doing it for the love of the game.” (31:38)
• Huge outpouring of support from friends and fans, offset by memes' patent refusal to congratulate, leading to some classic banter.
• “I had more texts than when my kids were born...” (Big Cat, 34:30)
• Fire Fest crossover: Memes’ rough week continues, including being fired from his virtual Jets rebuild in Madden.

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NFL Week 5 & Picks: Hot Takes, Blinders, and Hard Conversations

[48:33–86:43]

• The crew previews key Week 5 games, delivers "hard conversations," and analyzes backup QB situations for teams like the Browns and Rams.
• Notable quotes:
  • “Have you ever thought about just running the opening script back?” (Big Cat, 161:43, during Doug interview but referenced for coaching talk)
  • PFT reveals “blind resume by a blind guy” comparing Jets’ Fields to other QBs.
• Playful sparring about Jalen Hurts’ “eliteness,” Eagles’ wins not looking pretty, and NFC North/AFC North injury pandemics.
• "The only starting quarterback who started Week 1 who's still alive as of right now is Aaron Rodgers, who's 41 years old." (Big Cat, 51:58)
• Debates about grass vs. turf, NFL cost-cutting, and Eagles' defensive struggles.
• Max, representing Philly, maintains: “I'm not going to be that guy that gets pre-worried. I’m not going to be that guy that calls in...when you’re 4-0.” (82:07)
• Trend: "Hard Conversations" are born — addressing the “vibes” and “trust” factors with teams and players.

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Doug Pederson In-Studio: Championship Insights & NFL Coaching Life

[137:01–191:51]

Main Themes:

• Coaching from the Couch: Doug on what it’s like watching the NFL as a fan for the first time in nearly three decades.

  • “It’s a 30,000 foot perspective...but it’s hard for me to watch as a fan, I still watch it as a coach.” (Doug, 137:38)

• Clock Management, Analytics & End-of-Game Decisions:

  • “John Ferrari in Philly and Zach Beastline in Jacksonville...lifesavers on gameday.” (Doug, 139:06)

• Andy Reid Coaching Tree, Patience, and Kansas City in Crisis:

  • “I just sit back and...wish they knew who Andy Reid was as a coach.” (Doug, 141:06)

• Play-Calling, Scripting, and the ‘Philly Special’:

  • Doug unpacks the famous call: “Never once crossed my mind to kick the field goal. We were going to go, we’re on the goal line, we’re a yard from scoring.” (Doug, 150:51)
  • “When Nick Foles came over...he suggested Philly Philly. My pause and my hesitation was: I never thought of that play in that moment.” (151:01)

• QB Confidence, Gameplan Ownership, and Leadership:

  • Deep insight into QB management and keeping things tight: “Keeping game plans tight, keeping them small...the biggest thing is confidence.” (Doug, 156:46)
  • Not a yeller at QBs: “I'm not a big, big when it comes to quarterbacks. I don't yell and scream and...you got to be calm, cool, collected...” (158:07)

• Getting Fired & Handling NFL ‘Hot Seat’ Pressure:

  • “You're hired and you're fired. Andy Reid was fired. Tom Landry was fired. Great coaches get fired sometimes." (Doug, 146:30)

• Philosophy on ‘Winnable Games’:

  • "You gotta win the winnable games. There’s your must-win games." (Doug, 168:09)

• Backup QBs, Mental Preparation, and Favorite Iconic Moments (Leon Lett, Philly Special):

  • On being a backup: “Probably the hardest position on the football team that still has to prepare like a starter, but is not playing.” (Doug, 171:48)
  • Legendary moments: Doug’s role in the Leon Lett Thanksgiving ‘Snow Kick’ and the Cody Parkey ‘Double Doink.’

• Ice Cream Incentives & Coach Photo Days:

  • “I reserved [ice cream] for Saturday nights at the team hotel...that was my reward.” (Doug, 187:11)

Notable Quotes:

• “I guess I’m Big Balls Doug.” (Doug, 150:55)
• “If there’s ever a team of destiny, I think that 2017–18 Philadelphia Eagle team was destined... to win that game.” (Doug, 149:17)
• “Bears helped us win the Super Bowl.” (Doug, 155:34)
• “I never felt it with Carson and Nick...but with Carson and Jalen, now you have two alphas..." (Doug, 181:03)

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Fyre Fest: PMT Crew’s Woes & Flubs

[191:55–220:21]

• Hank vents about living through the “three-year Chicago bridge closure” (193:12), considers moving due to soul-crushing commutes (“This sucks. It's three years. That's move territory”; 193:08)
• PFT battles home-office emasculation after outsourcing a wall mount job: “It was pretty emasculating calling another man and being like, hey, can I pay you money to come into my house and use my tools” (202:01)
• Max and Zach’s weight loss challenge derailed by travel, pizza, restock jeans fees, and existential food choices. “After the fourth pair doesn’t fit...this is miserable. I want to get out of here.” (209:04)
• The memes saga: Will winning the lottery ball redeem him after a Madden firing and a week of “uncongratulated” 50/50 glory? (206:22)
• The segment ends with Jack from the back winning the lottery ball for the first time ever, shocking everyone, including himself.

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Memorable Quotes & One-Liners

• “I had more texts [winning the 50/50] than when my kids were born.” — Big Cat (34:30)
• “I've accomplished everything...I got nothing left to live for.” — Big Cat, after winning the 50/50 (34:54)
• “I think you guys have to stack competitive games.” — Hank, on Saints/giants (66:17)
• “I never questioned you on whether or not you would ever get it.” — Hank, to Big Cat about the 50/50 (32:56)
• “You're hired and you're fired.” — Doug Pederson on NFL coaching job security (146:28)
• “We're going to go to our cap expert, Max.” — Big Cat (96:01), after Max claims to know cap guys

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In the PMT Tradition — Banter & Tone

This episode is loaded with classic PMT energy: rapid-fire takes, absurd hypotheticals (e.g., running the same play script twice, “Would you trade A.J. Brown for picks back?”), trollish stats (Drake May can’t beat a winning team), and running bits (memes, the ongoing booth weight loss challenge, “hard conversations”).
The Doug Pederson interview stands out for its earnestness — Doug offers thoughtful, detailed answers about leadership, X’s and O’s, and what he’s learned from a lifetime in football, all delivered with the PMT casual flow.

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Summary Snapshot for Non-Listeners

• If you're an NFL fan: You’ll love the breakdowns of Week 5, especially the “hard conversations” about unpopular truths, backup QB chaos, and play-calling philosophy.
• If you’re a Cubs/Big Cat follower: The 50/50 saga’s emotional payout is a PMT all-timer.
• Baseball heads: High drama in playoff recaps, with plenty of bias and banter.
• Doug Pederson fans: Insightful, behind-the-scenes stories on coaching, Super Bowl folklore, and life outside the NFL — plus ice cream talk.
• If you just want to laugh: Fyre Fest delivers classic self-deprecation and group commiseration.

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Notable PMT Bits & Callbacks

• Meme’s self-imposed exile and rivalry after Big Cat’s win
• Blind resumes that go hilariously sideways due to incorrect stat referencing
• “Win. Just win.” — The new PMT mantra for overcoming struggles (at the lottery ball, in life)
• Coaching advice from Doug: Individual focus, team focus, and never letting the hot seat sabotage your vision

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures "Pardon My Take" at its best: irreverent yet oddly earnest, deeply inside-baseball but accessible, sports-nerdy but always funny. Doug Pederson’s interview is a standout for fans wanting real insight. The 50/50 segment and Fire Fest are PMT culture at its most joyously chaotic.

“It was never about the money. It was about the love of the game.” — Big Cat, which feels like a perfect tagline for this episode — and, really, the whole show.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Doug Peterson]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[Doug Peterson]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

Big sports day today.

[Big Cat]

So many sports.

[PFT]

Big sports day today. Where do you want to start? Because I feel like anytime the Yankees and the Red Sox play, you got to talk about it.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It was a great Thursday night football game too. You want to start there? Where do you want to start? Me? Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, we're a football podcast.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Okay. Also, great Thursday night football game. Great shout out to Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh. That was an awesome game. Mac Jones, 3. 0 as a starter for the Niners now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I think he joins Jimmy G and YA Tittle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was. That was a Kyle Shanahan masterclass. Yeah. Because Kyle Shanahan, they showed the graphic early in the game. The 49ers were without Brock Purdy, Ricky Pearsall, Brandon Ayuk, Juwan Jennings, Ben Bartch, George Kittle, Nick Bosa. That's a lot of really good players. And short week divisional opponent goes down to LA with Mac Jones and he wins the game in overtime. And Mac Jones balled out with a. Probably the largest knee brace I've ever seen in my life.

[PFT]

Yeah. It was huge. He literally left it all on the field because he couldn't puke anymore.

[Big Cat]

At the end. He was. When he. When he was walking off, off, he looked like he was just broken up with, like, by his high school girlfriend. And he. He. He couldn't puke, but he was like, crying and dry heaving. Yeah. And he was cramping. He was eating the electrolyte gum and he balled out. And we got some takes that came out of it. Did you guys see. Can I read a take for you?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. If the 49ers draft Mac Jones, like, was rumored instead of Trey Lance, so many things are different. The 49ers probably win a Super Bowl. Mac Jones is one of the highest paid QBs in football. And we never find out just how good Brock Purdy is.

[PFT]

And then the Patriots get Trey Lance.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT]

How does that one work out?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. But we are going from Thursday night. This was actually tweeted in the first half by Ryan Clark. We got. We went from a first half Mac Jones to then giving a hypothetical super bowl title to the 49ers and hundreds of million dollars to Mac Jones.

[PFT]

This is also a big time backhanded slap to Brock Purdy, too.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

So, I mean, when you watch Kyle Shanahan's offense, you do think that it's probably. It's easier on quarterbacks than some other offenses are like, they. They tailor it to what your quarterback can do. They make it easy for you. They rehab you. It's a good place to go if you're a neglected quarterback like a Sam Darnold, and you want to get back and find that. That forever home that's been struggling you or evading you. But, yeah, uh, it does seem like if you can find yourself working with Kyle Shanahan as a quarterback, you can make yourself a shitload of money. So now is actually the time when Mac Jones, he should. He should really lean in to the leg injury.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Be like, I'm too sore. Please sit me out. I'm due to make millions of dollars on the open market at the very least as a. As a great backup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Good backup option.

[Big Cat]

But it was. It was a hell of a game by the 49ers. They're 4 and 1 now, and they have been like. It's basically going opposite of last year where they lost everyone and the wheels fell off. They've lost everyone again, but the wheels have stayed on. They're 4 and 1. They get a little break. They have a division win. They got to feel pretty good about this.

[PFT]

Yeah. And the end of the game was insane to the. The punch out by the Niners on the goal line.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

Stop the Rams from going in, winning the game. And then at the very end of the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

What were you to say?

[Big Cat]

Oh, I was going to say, do you think it ended up working out because the Niners won? But do you think Kyle Shannon was maybe too conservative in that point to not even attempt to try to get a first down when they were backed up because it. Cause the Rams tied it and went to overtime. It looked like, hey, he might have just fucked this up. He had a chance to, you know. Yes. Passing once you let the Rams keep a timeout. Yeah, that could be disastrous. But, like, you could end the game right there.

[PFT]

Yeah. He might have been a little concerned, but also, Mac Jones was like, he was fucked up at that point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So I. I understand. But it worked out for him. Probably shouldn't have worked. Like, you play that game nine times. I think he probably doesn't fumble.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Maybe once. Once out of 10. But yeah, then he goes to overtime. And at the end of overtime, we saw the ultimate chess match between Kyle Shanahan and Sean McFay and a timeout off against each other, trying to figure out what the other one was doing. It reminded me, have. Have you ever had friends that, like, grew up playing the same drinking card games against each other for, like, years and years and years. And they get really, really good at the drinking card game and they take it very, very seriously and turn it into like an actual, like, it becomes a chess match.

[Big Cat]

I haven't had that specific thing happening, but I like what you're going.

[PFT]

That's what these two look like. Like bros that have been doing this against each other for so long.

[Big Cat]

They know each other so well.

[PFT]

They can think like three steps ahead of each other's moves, what they like to do, and then they know the other person's thinking about their move. And it just. I was hoping for more timeouts. I was hoping that Kyle Shanahan would have called another timeout than McVeigh would have called his last time out at the end of overtime.

[Big Cat]

I, I, I do. I'm not going to second guess any of either of these coaches, but that last play obviously gets stopped. Matt Stafford is so good.

[PFT]

Just let him Pass and 4th and 1.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They, they can stop it. Like you have Puka Nku and Matthew Stafford. I don't know if they can stop that.

[PFT]

Well, what they were doing was they were just, they were keeping their offense going, not having the Niners sub, and then they were just getting Williams out in coverage with the linebacker and they were just feeding him in the passing game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And you couldn't stop.

[Big Cat]

Monte Adams is running rub routes on.

[PFT]

Everyone running dudes open. He is the master at setting a pick. That doesn't look like he's setting a pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

But actually kind of does look like he's setting a pick. But you won't call it on him.

[Big Cat]

You know what I mean, though? Like the Puka Nakua, it's kind of like, you know how the Chiefs do that with like a fourth down and they'll, they'll always pass it. Or they used to do it with Tyree Kill where you just wiggle out and it's like you can't guard that. I don't know. I feel like I just. The game on the line. I want Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua to be involved. I would. Maybe a handoff to Pook.

[PFT]

I think maybe a jet sweep around to Puk and to Cool would have been nice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, It's a minor point. I'm probably stupid about it. I just think Matthew Stafford is so good. I mean, and, and you knew he was coming back in this game. Like the first half. I think they got kind of punched in the mouth also.

[Doug Peterson]

Weird.

[Big Cat]

Weird whistle on that fumble on the kickoff. Yeah, it was definitely a fumble.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Rams got kind of screwed on that, but yeah, you just knew Matthew Stafford was going to bring him back. Like, he just. I don't know, it's just, he's one of the, he's an all time drop back. If he has more than like two seconds, you just know it's going to be a bomb and it's going to probably be complete. When he wanted two. Two at.

[PFT]

Well, yeah, when he did the little spin move out of the pocket.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And.

[PFT]

And a lot of quarterbacks do that and you think, oh, he's about to panic.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

About to do some stupid as fuck. But with Matt Stafford, like when he started the spin where he knew exactly what he was doing, he was like, I got to buy myself like half a second, move to my left a little bit, and then hit 2, 2 in the open.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's like watching Matt Stafford for as long as we've watched him. When you, you just know, oh, they're going to show someone on the other side of the field when this camera pans and he's going to be just like, just getting open right when the ball is delivered there. Yeah.

[PFT]

He's so good. And remember like a month ago when he, When Matt Stafford couldn't walk.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

When he was like, is this guy going to be able to play football this year?

[Big Cat]

He was, he was doing therapy on the charger.

[PFT]

He was in a med bed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

Med bed. Mat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. But now he's back. Yeah. So I do think the Rams are still good, but this was a bad loss, especially like considering that they lost the Eagles. They half lost to the Colts.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Colts beat themselves and they lost this one. So the Rams are kind of. I feel like this is what the Rams do, though. They have these early season, like, we're trying to figure it out.

[PFT]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to make any bold proclamations about the Rams based on this guy. I think if anything, it shows that the Rams are good. The 49ers just. There's something about these types of games, too, with Kyle Shanahan and, and some of those other young guys like LaFleur. I think Sean McVeigh is kind of the same way when they don't have anything to work with.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

They get in the lab and they, they come up with the best game plan possible.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

It's like a personal challenge. Football becomes fun for them again because they got like a brand new problem to solve. How do I win a game without any starters? What? Yeah, what can I do? I've got Trent Williams, I've got half of Matt Mac Jones's spleen, and I've got Christian McCaffrey.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Let's see if we can go out there and win a football game.

[Big Cat]

By the way, just looking at the schedule for the Rams, there's not enough bad teams in the NFC right now. This might be a bad clip for me because it might be that the Bears end up being a bad team.

[PFT]

Like, bad.

[Big Cat]

Like really bad teams.

[PFT]

Saints are really bad. Saints, I would say the Panthers are bad.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

I would say the Giants might. They might not be bad.

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah. But then in the afc, you could throw out the Raiders. You could throw.

[Hank]

Giants are going to make that. You can see neighbors is out.

[Big Cat]

But. But listen to the AFC real quick.

[PFT]

Jackson, dude, you're not a rookie quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Got it. Find it.

[PFT]

No, I don't have anything. Oh, you aren't a dart historian?

[Hank]

Historian.

[PFT]

I was just trying to think of art.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Hey, listen, I've been up for 19 hours right now.

[Big Cat]

That's a full Glenny Ball day. Yeah. In the afc, though, you have the Raiders, the Tennessee Titans, the Texans, maybe the Browns, the Bengals, the jets, the Dolphins. It does feel like the AFC has more bad teams.

[PFT]

They do. They do.

[Big Cat]

And we're still early.

[PFT]

But I. But I do think that the Niners and the Rams right now are good teams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, I agree.

[PFT]

Even though the Niners don't have anybody, they're still somehow good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

The defense was. I mean, they. They made some huge plays.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. The defense is. Yeah, they're. They'll figure it out. Okay. Should we talk baseball? Yeah.

[PFT]

50.

[Hank]

50.

[Big Cat]

Well, we got to talk about all the series first, but that chronological. Yeah, I know. We're going backwards. We're going to start at the most recent.

[Hank]

Oh, got it.

[Big Cat]

Cam Schlitler, unbelievable performance in Yankee Stadium tonight. Earned his pinstripes.

[Hank]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Would you say so?

[Hank]

Definitely.

[PFT]

It was crazy.

[Hank]

It was master's kid, too. Makes it that much worse.

[PFT]

That's the thing. He's from, what, Walpole.

[Big Cat]

What did he have?

[Hank]

12 strikeouts, 12 strikeouts. No walks, no walks. I think it was like a stat. Like, he didn't have batters with two balls in him.

[Big Cat]

Like, wait, every batter had two balls in them. Was John.

[Hank]

Balls and strike.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[PFT]

Okay. Yeah. So he's. He's from Walpole. His dad was the chief of police from Needham. So, like, can he go home?

[Hank]

He said his whole Family converted to Yankees fans, which is even crazy.

[PFT]

That's insane.

[Hank]

Also Ben Rice who's on my dingers only team from class to the town next to me saying he grew up a Yankees fan is like did he.

[Big Cat]

Post he hit a home run yesterday?

[Hank]

Yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Preposterous. So.

[PFT]

How do you say it? Schlitler Slitler slit la.

[Big Cat]

So the Yankees. So Schlitler has. And he's a rookie. Yeah. 8. 8 innings, 12 Ks, 0 walks. That it was a good series, like high level playoff baseball. It feel like. Felt like the Red Sox made a lot of.

[Hank]

Yeah, no, the Red Sox. The Yankees were trying to give us the game. Game 2 Red Sox bases loaded, pop up bunt. Couldn't get a runner home. Bad base, running errors, bad fielding errors. Tonight like the Connolly early, another rookie. I think it was the first time he pitched on the road like he pitched in Sacramento and, and wherever the Devil Rays play. So it was like his first real major league start on the road is in the playoffs. He pitched really well. He was just there. The Yankees hit a pop fly. Should have been caught. And then they were just hitting like dinky singles through the infield plus errors. So the Red Sox. Red Sox lost that series because they win it.

[PFT]

How about Ryan McMahon? Great catch.

[Big Cat]

Unbelievable catch. Better sportsmanship.

[PFT]

No, I disagree much. I think the catch was better than.

[Doug Peterson]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

I think the sportsmanship was better than the cat.

[PFT]

I think the sportsmanship was outstanding that.

[Big Cat]

If you went into the opposing team's dugout they wouldn't even try to help you.

[PFT]

They catch was a once in a lifetime the sport. Are you saying that's once in a lifetime sportsmanship?

[Big Cat]

It might be given the stakes.

[PFT]

So if anybody in an opposing team's dugout ever tries to help a guy falling in again, then that's not once in a lifetime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We are having the debate that our, our darling Jake had. He said incredible catch.

[PFT]

Even better sportsmanship, not better sports. Sorry.

[Big Cat]

I would say it was probably a better catch.

[PFT]

It's a better way better catch than sportsmanship.

[Hank]

Also Billy was at the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was in a, in a, in a like Wall street guy's vest. He looked good. He looked very good. But yeah. So wait, overall Red Sox losses, series.

[Hank]

Yankees did not win it.

[Big Cat]

But great of the season. Oh, Red Sox lost. Yankees didn't win it. Yeah. So Yankees shouldn't even go play the Blue Jays now.

[Hank]

They're going to get smoked.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Because the vibes seem pretty high in New York right now.

[Hank]

They got lucky that they got away with One. I mean, obviously when you win a playoff series, the vibes are going to be high, but. Yeah, then you realize. Yeah, I guess.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT]

Are you just being a hater now?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. That's okay.

[PFT]

Adolf hate Adolf Schlit.

[Big Cat]

Be a. Be a hater. Did Aaron Judge earn his pinstripes? No. Yeah. I don't think he did. He get it like any big moments. He didn't tonight.

[PFT]

Aaron Judge has to win.

[Big Cat]

He had a. He hit one.

[PFT]

Yeah. So Aaron Judge will not, he will not ever be a true Yankee.

[Hank]

He reached on an error. It was, it was honestly similar to a rod. It was like a rod. When he slapped the ball out of Bronson Royal's hand and then got to second and was like.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Holding his arms up. He, Aaron Judge like, flew out to left field. Duran dropped it. He got to second base and was like celebrating like it was, you know, disgusting. He had a double.

[Big Cat]

He did. He was 2 for 4 on Wednesday and Tuesday. So that's not bad. But. Yeah, you need. Shitler has more pinstripes.

[PFT]

Yes. If you do this in your Yankee debut, I would say pinstripes, but for Aaron Judge, a guy that's won every award, that's had an outstanding career, but no world, he has to win a World Series or else. Not a true Yankee. Probably not even. I'll take him out of the hall of Fame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I won't vote for him.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Other series we can talk about. Do we think the Guardians losing to the Tigers? Did the Tigers just erase that entire 15 and a half game comeback? Yes, I unfortunately think yes.

[PFT]

Yeah, they. They don't give a fuck anymore.

[Big Cat]

The Tigers ended up exactly where they expected to end up, which is in the DS and the Guardians are not. It's incredible. Incredible. September Guardians fans will have maybe some fond memories when they look back and be like, that was an awesome run and what a comeback. But when you lose then to the Tigers in three games, that's brutal.

[PFT]

That's the downside to playing the team that you just caught. It's like you didn't really catch them yet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you. They, you caught them to then get a. The right to lose to them at home.

[PFT]

You kept them alive to allow them to embarrass you. Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they came back and what?

[PFT]

The Guardians got chased a lotter who's going to be a force in center field for him. So I might be all in on the Guardians next year.

[Big Cat]

Okay. You can get your guard up.

[PFT]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

You know, we went to school where James Madison.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

There you go, Jamie.

[Big Cat]

Nice. And then also the Dodgers just dominated. That was. I feel like the Reds actually had a couple chances in that Max. You were locked in, bases loaded, no outs. They had chances and they just didn't.

[Max]

They'd be loaded no outs twice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we had it on Tuesday night when we were watching.

[Max]

Yeah, well, that was another time. The Red. The Reds are. The Reds are a joke.

[Big Cat]

So now how are you feeling about the Dodgers?

[Max]

The Dodgers are insane.

[Big Cat]

They're not fair.

[Max]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Their bullpen.

[Max]

I don't think their bullpen stinks. That's the only. That's the only thing that you can hang your hat on. Then they got Sasaki going like 101 in the ninth inning now.

[PFT]

So it's like, you know what they don't got, Max?

[Max]

They don't have Red October.

[PFT]

The bank.

[Max]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

The bank.

[PFT]

Sec. Environment, Max.

[Max]

Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[PFT]

What was that? Memes.

[Hank]

I'm a NOOB. What does one on one mean?

[Big Cat]

101. Oh, 101 miles an hour. Have you ever.

[Hank]

I was like. I was like, isn't every appearance one on one, Hank?

[Big Cat]

Have you ever. Have you ever driven in a car?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Have you ever gone 101 miles an hour? It's pretty fast. Yeah. Wow.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Just hit a mince. That's really fast.

[PFT]

That. I can picture that. That's insanely fast. Also, I Talked to Ben McDonald today. The announcer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

He did confirm that the radar guns are juice now.

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, of course.

[PFT]

Yeah. So when you see 104 miles per hour, it's not like they're throwing that much. They are throwing harder than people used to throw. But it's not like every pitcher is pitching 100. If you had the same standard where the ball is judged, like right out of your hand. A lot of the guys from the 90s, 2000s and the teens, they're also like neck and neck with some of the guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

They also round up.

[Big Cat]

They do.

[PFT]

And they round up now, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Big things. So. Yeah, the guns are juiced.

[Big Cat]

How is this? Sold out scrimmage. That rocked. Yeah. Also, did you guys see Ichiro playing and. Right.

[Max]

That was all that.

[Big Cat]

Also, that. He just loves Bay. I love how much he loves baseball. He just wants to keep playing.

[PFT]

I think the vibes are all time high for the Mariners right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's a big.

[PFT]

This is. They. They have not believed this much in a team in a very long time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And then the Cubs beat the Padres. I'll say on a very controversial. Well, I mean, we won 3:1 but. Or yeah, we won 3:1 but a very controversial ball.

[PFT]

Don't apologize for winning.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not. I'm just saying it was controversial. It was. I mean it was a ball. It was a ball. The ball was a ball. I went to all three games. It was awesome. The bats actually finally woke up on in game three. PCA came up big. Michael Bush is a stud. Kyle Tucker maybe found something. He probably doesn't have a ton of power with his injury, but he can still hit. He's still like a professional hitter. But yeah, the ball was a ball. Would have probably. You don't know. They probably would have taken Keller out. Craig Council would have taken Keller out if that walk had happened. But people will argue that it was going to be bases loaded with no outs. But yeah, I'm not going to apologize.

[PFT]

I got a question for you about counsel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So you guys went out there, got counsel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Paid him a lot of money.

[PFT]

Paid him a lot of money as a manager. Made a big time manager move, which you don't really see that much. Do you think he was playing rope a dope this season?

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[PFT]

Because he seemed to be very efficient and knowledgeable and decisive when it came to the bullpen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Well, do you think, do you think that like during the regular season he understands it's a long year, he doesn't have to always like make these micromanaging decisions.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like might be slightly better in the moment.

[Big Cat]

Well, he's had to tinker with it. There's been, you know, we've added arms, we've had guys get injured. So there's been a lot of tinkering. You could make the argument in game two, he should not have let showed a pitch to Manny Machado. So that was a mistake. But I would say in his defense, you can't win. Last I checked, you can't win a baseball game by scoring zero runs.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So it really didn't matter either way. It was so electric. Wrigley was awesome. Game one and three were electric. Game two was very difficult cause it couldn't get a hit. But it was, it was so much fun.

[PFT]

Game two was the most noteworthy game of all three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we'll get to it a sec. The, the. I just memes is going to kill me if I talk about it. We got to talk about memes going to kill me. He's going to. He's got a fucking do you have the taser on you still Max or.

[Hank]

Memes or hundreds of thousands that want to hear about it versus one guy.

[Big Cat]

He's got the taser.

[Max]

I honestly think it's good that we're recording this late. There's enough time has passed. I think. I think he feels better shook my hand beforehand than he felt this morning.

[PFT]

Memes. You can't censor Big Cat either.

[Big Cat]

I'm not censoring. All right. Last. Last thing with the Cubs.

[PFT]

That was the most evil sounding thing ever.

[Big Cat]

I'm not censoring. Has a taser dance. He does have a taser. He has orders. If I say the magic word to tase you and the magic word is Zach. Taze memes. Don't do it there. Okay. Dansby Swanson is so good.

[PFT]

His defense was incredible.

[Big Cat]

Him, Nico Michael Bush. That reach he made on the like just big time moments. Every guy coming up and you know, Palencia pitching well again. Tyone doing the best you could ask for with like a limited. The Cubs rotation is in not a great spot. So we're just trying to piece things together.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because Kate Horton's out, obviously. You know, if you go all the way back. Justin Steele has been out for the majority like 99% of the year. You're just trying to piece it together. I'm excited to play the brewers. We beat the brewers 76 in the season series this year. So we played them well and anything can happen.

[PFT]

October, I have a take about the Cubs games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I think in the playoffs, whenever possible, the Cubs should play afternoon games.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

And the Phillies should play night games.

[Big Cat]

Yes. The 4 o'. Clock. So it was 2 o'. Clock. 2 o'. Clock, 4 o', clock, 2 o'. Clock. Awesome. I don't know.

[PFT]

Wait, are you asking me why?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Because Wrigley Field looks awesome. Especially it was twilight.

[Big Cat]

The. The sunset. Yeah. Going like the end of the game being at night. It. I love the four o'. Clock.

[PFT]

Do you disagree? Because that stadium is perfect for Twilight.

[Hank]

No, I agree. I just was wondering if there was a specific reason.

[PFT]

You're a producer, Right? The golden hour.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's nice.

[PFT]

And then Philly, the SEC environment like Death Valley.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

It works at the bank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Fun fact. That was actually the third. Do we count the wild card as a winning a series? Okay.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Now. Not before, when it was one game. That was the third time in Cubs history that they closed out a series at Wrigley.

[PFT]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I've been to all three, so it's all happened recently, too. 2015 Cardinals. 2016 Dodgers. And then today. It's awesome. It was an awesome time. Great night. I was. Playoff baseball is just the most like, I was scared the whole time. Even after Michael Bush hit the home run, I was like, three runs feels. Three runs does feel massive compared to two runs. But you were.

[Hank]

You were very close to bases loaded now.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I was shitting myself. The minute that he gave up the leadoff home run. I was just like this.

[Doug Peterson]

We're.

[Big Cat]

Were. Because then you're back to two and it's like one guy on and you're. You're screwed. And even the final pitch was like a sinker that if he hits just a little bit different, it could have been gone and we could just be sitting here having a totally different coverage.

[PFT]

Cubs also almost had back to back Jacks again. Yeah, it was like. It was pretty close. My favorite picture that came out of today was after the game. Do you see the picture of Tom Ricketts?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Pouring beer on Eddie Veter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Can you.

[PFT]

Can you pull that up?

[Big Cat]

Eddie Vedder.

[PFT]

I think it's John. I think John Greenberg tweeted it out.

[Big Cat]

Eddie Vedder.

[Hank]

So there's a. There's a couple bad sports towns for. For actors. More bad sports towns.

[Big Cat]

Who?

[Hank]

Cusack.

[Big Cat]

Oh, well, Q sac we. We knew about forever.

[Hank]

And then Jimmy. Jimmy Fallon was at the. Well, no, but I thought Cusack was a White Sox guy.

[Big Cat]

Well, he does both. Been in both. Yeah.

[Hank]

That's why White Sox Dave hates him.

[PFT]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

He swings both ways.

[Big Cat]

If you have. If you've heard. If you just ask about Cusack, remember the famous. Yeah. Face to face all time video. White Sox Dave stood on business.

[PFT]

We're gonna have to bleep out one of these white socks Daves. We've said his name way too many.

[Hank]

And then. And then Jimmy Fallon at the. At the Yankees game, cheering for the Yankees.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the.

[PFT]

And then Rob Lowe. Yeah, Rob Lowe, the. The Reds guy. But yeah, look at this picture of Tom Ricketts, like, calmly, very serious look on his face. Come here, young man. I'm having fun now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I'm pouring beer on you. Eddie Vetter.

[Big Cat]

Eddie Vedder was at every game. He was, I think so drunk. Game one that he had an English accent when he did the seventh inning stretch. So. And he's just. He's the best.

[PFT]

Yeah, man.

[Big Cat]

All right. Yeah. So on Tuesday, Wednesday, I finally did it. Memes. Are you okay? I'm fine. Talk about whatever you're talking about. I. I've completed a lifelong goal. I hit the 5050 raffle at the Cubs game. I'm still kind of in shock. This is for people who have been listening, following for a very long time. 12 years that I've been about 12, 13 years I've been doing the 50. 50 raffles, like, on camera. It's crazy. I want it. I finally won it. I wanted a playoff game at Wrigley. 108,000 was the pot, so I won four. All right. Emergency press conference. Cubs lose. That sucked. Mason Miller is incredible. Couldn't get a hit. But see that number right there? See that number right there? See that number right there? Does that look familiar? Oh, yeah, that's that number. I won it. I did it. For all the haters and losers out there who said I'd never win it, I did it. I never gave up. Yeah. I might be even lifetime after winning 50 grand here on the 50 50. But that doesn't matter. I did it. They said I couldn't do it, and I did. I'm still, like, when it happened, I was just looking at the tickets over and over and then looking at the screen and just being like, how did. How'd this happen?

[PFT]

What was your strategy? Did you. Did you go up to the different ticket ladies several times so you get it in, like, the second inning?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. I have a whole. I have a whole method. So there's an early bird special where if you buy $200 worth, you get $4,000 tickets.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

I would do that. I hit that right when I walk in. Then I hit my booth that I hit every single time. Actually, the woman, I have to find her. She was sick today. Renee, who sold me the winning ticket, she was like, hey, are you Big Cat? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, oh, I love your videos. My kids always ask when you're going to sell Big Cat a ticket. And I was like, well, today might be the day. Turns out it was her. It was the day. I like, I. Again, I'm still in shock. It was so much fun. I. I never thought I would actually do it. And then when I did it, I could not believe it. And I appreciate everyone. Like, I feel like there was a lot of people who were rooting for me for a very long time. So it was very cool to see everyone be like, this is a storyline that we never thought would actually happen. Happen.

[PFT]

Yeah. How many numbers are. Are there in each 50. 50 raffle?

[Big Cat]

I have no idea.

[PFT]

So. But all you have to do. Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you mean, like, the actual ticket?

[PFT]

Yeah. How many. How many numbers are there?

[Big Cat]

I got my winning ticket right here and send it in.

[PFT]

Oh, wait, so you haven't. You haven't claimed it yet?

[Big Cat]

No, I, I emailed them. You email them and then they send you like a docu sign. So I have that. 200 344-407001. So what's that? 10 numbers?

[PFT]

11 numbers.

[Big Cat]

I don't know why I did it that way.

[PFT]

So you have to pick.

[Big Cat]

Counted.

[PFT]

You have to pick 11 numbers. Three one through 10. And you have to. You have to pick all 11, correct.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

And.

[PFT]

But all you have to do is just pick the right number.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And you did it.

[Big Cat]

I did it. I just, I. For 13 years, I was just buying losing tickets, and then on Wednesday, I was like, you know what? I'm going to buy the winning ticket. And then I did.

[PFT]

Yeah, you picked the right number.

[Big Cat]

And I did. And I appreciate everyone who's reached out. It was very cool. I'm going to keep going. I also would like to say, and we'll put the link to this in the episode bio. Maybe memes might not do that for me. I am going to donate all the money and then some. So, weirdly, it's. I may be called serendipity. I was already planning on doing something these. There's a great group called the Lost Boys. Levante, who's an awesome dude, came into the office last week. So they do a youth sports league to help kids in, like, vulnerable situations, maybe not great neighborhoods. So they have a great baseball league. Then they have, like a mentor program after that. So it's like youth baseball from 4 to 10, then a mentor program from 11 to 17. Awesome. Awesome stuff. He has, like 250 kids in his group. They've been doing it for 19 years. I actually ended up, I read a Chicago Sun Times article like maybe three weeks ago, four weeks ago, saying they were out of money. And it's this really great program. And so I had Levante come in, talk to him at length. We're going to try to do some stuff with him at Barstool, where we maybe have host the kids for a day, all that stuff. So not just donating and saying, hey, go have fun. We're just trying to actually help out the community. So I'm donating all the money and then more. I'm. I, I wrote Levante a check for 75,000, which will hopefully get them back on their feet. And I'm just doing it. I'm the 50. 50 is the love of the game.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Love of the game. It's not. I. It was never about the money. It was always about the love of the game.

[PFT]

I think that's a great cause. Shout out. Levante. It sounds like they. They run a great organization. If you win again, are you going to keep it?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm going to donate it again. I'm doing it for the love of the game.

[PFT]

I love you're. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You're like, it's the most ethical win.

[PFT]

You can have your Robin Hood.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So it's the. It's a. It's 150. Because 100% going to charity.

[PFT]

Yeah, I like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

150 raffles.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But, yeah. So it's called the Lost Boys with a Z. We'll put the link. They have a GoFundMe. You don't have to donate. It'll be awesome if you do donate. We're going to do more stuff with them. We're going to maybe do a raffle to try to raise some money for them. But people were saying, what are you gonna do with the money? What are you gonna do? The money, all the money, and then more. Because I think they tax me.

[PFT]

Yeah, they do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So it's. They're gonna tax me. They're gonna tax me. Good.

[PFT]

Because I think they have. At least the Brewers. Do they have, like, a tax office?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah.

[PFT]

In the stadium. So you go to collect and they're like, okay, go see the tax guy now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But please do support Lost Boys. And like I said, we're gonna. It's not just giving money. To give money and be like, look at that. We're also gonna be doing stuff with them and hopefully helping them maybe coach some baseball?

[PFT]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

You want.

[PFT]

Do you have any.

[Big Cat]

Great. Sick.

[PFT]

Do you have a message for the haters that say that you couldn't do it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they could suck my dick from the back and then go kill themselves.

[PFT]

That's nice.

[Big Cat]

I don't know who would be in this room.

[PFT]

I. I always knew you could do it. The only way that you. The only way you ever lose is if you stop playing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

I never questioned you on whether or not you would ever get it.

[Big Cat]

You just.

[Hank]

If you've ever gotten it.

[Big Cat]

Did you, Hank, you said literal chills. I think you. You didn't think.

[Hank]

Goosebumps.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You didn't think the day was going to come. No, it wasn't that.

[Hank]

It's just like, when you see. You know, it's. It's a curse being broken. It's. It's something that you've watched for a long time that you just never thought was going to happen, not that you didn't want it to happen. It's like, this is. This is crazy. I felt, you know, you've been. I've known you for a long time, and you've never come close, and it was never.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Hank]

It literally. It was a. It was a monumental. It was weird how.

[Big Cat]

How.

[Hank]

How monumental it felt.

[Big Cat]

I know. And it was.

[Hank]

It was a shift in the world.

[Big Cat]

I know. I, like, went to sleep with a smile on my face because I was like. I just. Seeing everyone tweet about it and being like, how the fudge did this happen? I can't believe this happened. I knew you.

[Hank]

You tweeted, like, emergency press conferences, a selfie video. And I was like, no, I couldn't. I couldn't even watch the video.

[Big Cat]

There's.

[Hank]

There's no way.

[PFT]

You know what I also didn't see?

[Big Cat]

And this was.

[PFT]

This is really nice of the Internet, because anytime something good happens, you typically get someone that's like, actually why. It's not that good. I didn't see anybody being like, did you really get that number? Or did somebody else get the number and then give it to you?

[Big Cat]

True.

[PFT]

It was like, big cat, you got the number. Great job.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was. It was very cool. I was. I. I really appreciate the fans awls, the stoolies. It was definitely one of, like, it sounds sappy because it's literally just basically me saying, I can't stop gambling on this thing. The 5050 raffle.

[Hank]

But who loves you is the 5050 raffle.

[Big Cat]

Oh, all right. So I have a story about that, but I. I can't. I just love gambling, and I love the 5050 raffle. But the amount of people who were happy for me, like, had. I had more texts than when my kids were born, it was crazy. And I think I might have said in a moment that I probably regret to my wife later that night that I was like, I got nothing left to live for. And she was like, you have three kids.

[Doug Peterson]

And.

[Big Cat]

And I was like, good point. But in that moment, I was like, I've accomplished everything.

[PFT]

Listen. Yeah, I mean, the kids are. They're awesome. Everybody can have kids. Not everyone can win the 5050 raffle.

[Big Cat]

I think it goes. So it's my daughter, my second child, her birth one, winning the 5050 raffle. Two.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

My firstborn, my. My son, three, and then my youngest, my other son, four.

[PFT]

What about Cubs? One of the world World Series.

[Big Cat]

That's up there. But this is. I'm just talking about, like, my personal life. Yeah, your personal life. How much better accomplishments. And then if I win it again, I think it will slot in firmly at three, still ahead of myself.

[PFT]

The second one might be better, though. Have you thought about that?

[Big Cat]

If I went back to today, I would have been the greatest thing ever if I would have gone above my daughter.

[PFT]

If you win again this postseason, then at that point, it's like, I'm a God.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna try. I'm never gonna give up. I'm gonna keep going.

[PFT]

Do you have an estimate of how much money you've spent in the past?

[Big Cat]

Don't do that. Okay. Okay.

[PFT]

Well, I think people want to know the end. Should I not ask that?

[Big Cat]

People have hard conversations.

[Hank]

They do want to know. I. And we. I talked about, hey, cast.

[PFT]

But I was like, okay, we don't.

[Big Cat]

Have to have a hard conversation.

[PFT]

I started to think about it, and.

[Hank]

Then I was like, I don't want to know.

[Big Cat]

Like, it's bad. The answer PFT is I am 100%, without a doubt. Still very much in the red on the 5050 raffle. After winning $54,000. Yeah. I started doing a little bit of the quick math. I've had season tickets to the Cubs for 11 years now. Back in the day, I was going to, like, 60 games a year, and I was probably only spending, like, 50 to $100 then, but I've since upped my game the last couple of years, and I'm usually in the 600 to $1,000 range a game, and I went to 20, 25 games this year. Yeah. So it's.

[PFT]

Yeah, I wasn't asking that.

[Big Cat]

And then that's not even counting every other sporting event that I've attended. Like the time when I went to the Toledo Maxion game against Bowling Green and I had 12% of the entire 5050 pot and did not even get. Come close.

[PFT]

Yeah. I wasn't asking to belittle the accomplishment because. No, I actually think.

[Big Cat]

I don't care.

[PFT]

That makes the accomplishment even better.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. It's got a storyline.

[PFT]

The fact that you had to. You had to grind, though.

[Big Cat]

The funniest one was, I think someone sent me the. There was a Day in 2015 when the Cubs played in the afternoon and the Blackhawks had a playoff game at night, and I got the same 5050 vendor. Like, he sold. The vendor sold it to me at Wrigley, and then he sold it to me at the United Center. I was like, oh, he's like, yeah, it's me again. Most people would have quit then. I didn't. I kept on going. I kept on going.

[PFT]

Yes. Hank.

[Doug Peterson]

Though.

[Big Cat]

But the fifth. The lady today told me that she had an insane amount of people buying 5050 today because of my video, because now people realize they can actually win. You know, I literally was like, the. It was a story. Like, no, this guy's never won. No one can ever win. And then when I win, it's like, holy shit.

[PFT]

Big Cat humanized winning the 5050 Ralph.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, put a face to it.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, representation matters.

[PFT]

Like, Tebow watching film with his kid. That's. Yeah. It's impressive.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So awesome. Time again. Lost Boys will put the gofundme all my winnings, and then summer's gonna go to the Lost Boys. Great, great people. And we're gonna do more stuff with them, and we're gonna do a fundraiser, and it's gonna be awesome. Yes.

[Hank]

What would you say to someone out there who's maybe like, in a similar spot to you that's been, you know, trying for a long time to. To get the numbers of the 50, 50, and maybe feels like there's no hope?

[PFT]

That sounds specific.

[Big Cat]

I'd say just pick the winner. Just win.

[PFT]

He did it 11 times in a row on that.

[Big Cat]

Just win. Right? Like, yeah.

[Hank]

I've never won, so I'm trying to learn from. From you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll teach you. I could teach anyone. I could get anyone to pick right numbers if they follow me.

[PFT]

What's it. Yeah. What's the secret?

[Big Cat]

Win.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Fucking win.

[PFT]

Just do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just do it. Win. And thank you personally to all the boys here for congratulating me on text right away.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Minus one person who is still not congratulated me who did that. So back to those hypotheticals, Hank. Let's say Big Cat had somebody else's ticket that they picked the right number with.

[PFT]

I already asked Big Cat about this scenario. Nobody accused me of that.

[Big Cat]

What is. Would Big Happy the winner? It's somebody else's ticket. Yeah. With their number is Big Cat. What do you mean? No, no, no.

[Max]

You're arguing again.

[Big Cat]

If someone.

[Hank]

If someone bought Big Cat a ticket and handed it to him.

[PFT]

Wait, wait. First of all, it's the lottery.

[Big Cat]

First of all, by the way, it's time to go. I bought all my own tickets.

[Doug Peterson]

No, no.

[Big Cat]

This.

[PFT]

This is not hypothetical. What we're talking about here is if two people bought tickets and then they gave each other the other tickets.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And they're like, okay, that's your ticket. Now this is my ticket. That's what you're talking.

[Big Cat]

But I bought the ticket. Right, but he bought a T. PFT. Bought a ticket to swap.

[Doug Peterson]

No, no, no.

[PFT]

Agreed to.

[Big Cat]

Big Cat claimed the winner in this hypothetical.

[PFT]

That's not a hypothetical. And we agreed to swap.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you agreed to swap. We didn't. I. Nobody agreed to swap. No, you had to swap this part.

[PFT]

Of the price of playing the game.

[Max]

You also forget your goal was to not pick.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Max]

Yeah, your goal is to not pick.

[Big Cat]

Your goal is to always pick the right number. Also, no memes.

[PFT]

This.

[Big Cat]

Me winning the 50. 50 never should have been confused with the lottery ball. You started that. No, you started. No, you started. No, you started. You started. How did I start it? You were like, I'm going to get before you and. No, that's true. That's not true. I remember the day I walked in because someone tweeted. He was like, memes. You should ask Big Cat if he's ever gotten the 50 50. And you started saying at the end of the show, have you ever gone the 50 50? Yeah, but then you were like. And then you got the lottery ball. No. And then you were like, I'm gonna get it for you. And unfortunately, that happened. And then I did. So.

[PFT]

Why are you mad?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. He's mad at me. He won't congratulate.

[PFT]

I still don't understand why you're mad about this.

[Big Cat]

Memes.

[Hank]

Think about the lost boys. Memes.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

How much were you?

[Big Cat]

Seven. I'm. I'm right. I wrote a check for 75, 000 to loss.

[PFT]

So you're doing 50 and then 25.

[Big Cat]

It's actually more like 25 and then 50 because I'm only gonna get 25 from the 50. 50 after taxes.

[PFT]

But, yeah, I'll match the 20.

[Big Cat]

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't do that in my head.

[PFT]

I'll match the 25.

[Big Cat]

I love that. I love that memes. We match. I don't have the facilities yet. We're gonna do a bunch of stuff with them, so we're gonna. We're gonna. I appreciate that. Pft. Maybe we'll do. You know what we'll do? We'll do a. We'll do a fundraiser where we can match the fundraiser and. Okay. Going like that.

[PFT]

I like that. Yeah, we're all matching.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, we'll all match everything but memes. I am. You should. Instead of being mad at me and refusing to Congratulate me and refusing to look me in the eye and being like. To the point where I had to have Zach carry a taser all day because I was worried. You should look at me and say, that guy never gave up. That guy did something that seemed impossible, and that's what you need to do.

[PFT]

Do you have a comment?

[Big Cat]

Memes, I'm an inspiration to you. No, you're not.

[Max]

Do you think memes hate watch rankings? After the.

[Hank]

I was so upset. I was so upset that memes had left the office. I was. I. I want. I wanted to pull the security footage so bad.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man, it was so good. The live reaction, the funn thing is memes just outright admitting. He's like, I did not post a single thing about Big cat hitting the 5050 on the. Pardon my Take, Instagram or Twitter.

[Hank]

I was like, sure, I must have cr. I was like, at least it's good for your job. Must have crushed Social. I didn't post anything.

[Big Cat]

I like that pettiness. I love it. Yeah. I unfollowed anybody on my feed that reposted that. Wait, did you unfollow me? Yeah. Oh, memes.

[PFT]

Memes. Did you unfollow me?

[Big Cat]

No. You didn't post a video? Okay, yeah, you unfollowed me. I. Apparently I've unfollowed Max for a long time.

[Max]

That's fucked up.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man. All right, well, let's. Let's. Let's. Let's do the weekend picks and preview memes. You're going to get it today. Now, this is one of the worst weeks in American history. He said to me. I was like. I went and sat next to him. I was like, memes, like, let's just talk guy to guy here. Like, are you really mad at me? And he's like, why did you have to win that this week and pile on.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I was just like, I don't know what that means.

[PFT]

You know what, Memes? There's a quote from a great order of all our time. Me, Khalifa. She said, you feel jealous when you see a bad. I feel inspired. You gotta switch the paradigm up. Start feeling inspired, not jealous.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was a bad week. And then to top it off, after that fucking happened, I was playing Madden. I'm currently rebuilding the Jets. Oh, no. This is gonna go in a bad place. After one season, I got fired.

[Max]

I didn't even know that was possible. Neither did I. I didn't know that was possible.

[Big Cat]

What was your record? I won three games.

[PFT]

It just said, you fired.

[Big Cat]

And then I had to retire.

[PFT]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

When did this happen? Probably like two hours after. Oh, no. So you're just sitting in your apartment with your seven TVs, playing Madden, and you got fired from your hypothetical jets job? Yeah, I made a bunch of good trades rebuilding, and it's the darkest thing I've ever heard.

[PFT]

Especially when you consider that, like, the fans that wanted you fired, that's you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, and I said I had one rebuild left in me. I couldn't even do it.

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, no.

[PFT]

Memes.

[Big Cat]

You got fired. Dude, I wish you had told me you got fired. Why didn't you tell me you got fired, Memes? I got fired. I tweeted out. People won't stop liking it.

[PFT]

Memes, can I just read you a stat real quick? Because I know that, you know, you're feeling down about the jets, and that's fine. Oh, you know, Joe Gibbs went 05 at the start of his first season. You know, Chuck Noel went one in 13.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT]

You know, Jimmy Johnson was one in 15.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

No, Bill Walsh went two and 14 in his first season.

[Big Cat]

Peyton Manning won three games his first year.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's a process.

[Max]

This tweet has 26,000 likes.

[Big Cat]

He got fired. I got fired.

[Max]

Good numbers. Good numbers. Numbers are numbers, man. Numbers are numbers.

[Big Cat]

Wait. Yeah, so it says September 23rd, rebuilding the jets on Madden. October 1st. Got fired after one season. Oh, Memes. Oh.

[PFT]

There's a lot of bad articles about your team. Why'd you get fired?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't. I really don't. Did you go to bed after? Who's.

[Hank]

Do the trades get graded on the. On the game, or are you just deciding they were good trades?

[Big Cat]

I was deciding they were good trades. I traded for Jordan Davis. So you. So you. On Wednesday night, you.

[Doug Peterson]

You were.

[Big Cat]

You saw me win the 50. 50. You obviously were very upset and mad at me, and then you're like, I'm gonna just. You know what? I'm gonna turn off the Internet for a minute, and I'm just gonna get back into my jets rebuild. And then, boom. Woody Johnson fired your ass.

[PFT]

Fired. Did you take any comfort at all watching Hank loose tonight?

[Hank]

Melch is the Yankees.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. That didn't even make you happy. That's so sad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, he needs the Yankees to lose the Blue Jays now. Yeah. Okay, let's do our picks and preview, and then we'll have coach Doug Peterson in studio, and then we'll finish up with Fyre Fest. Okay, before we get to weekend preview, NFL fans, what's your Favorite touchdown. There's over a hundred years of TDs to pick from. For me, it's the next one. Because with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in. DraftKings Sportswear delivers the unmatched intensity the NFL right to your fingertips. From first touchdown score to anytime TD props or the thrill of live in game betting, every snap is loaded with opportunity. We're going to do our touchdown parlay later. I think I'm back in right. So. But there's a lot out there. There's a lot of good touchdown scores this weekend that you can look for. I'll throw one out there for the, for the under game, which is going to be an under game in, in London. I think Judd's Judkins is going to score. Just throwing that out there. Just throwing that out there. So here's the best part. Bet just $5 and if your bet wins, you'll get $200 in bonus bets. Instantly. Your team hitting pay dirt pays out to you. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE to turn five bucks into $200 in bonus bets. If your bet wins in partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 8 7-HOPE and WHY or text HOPENY 467-369 in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas. Fees may apply in Illinois, 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Boyd in Ontario. Bet must win to receive reward. Minimum minus 500 odds. Required bonus bets expire seven days after issuance.

[Hank]

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[Big Cat]

See DKNG Co Audio and the weekend preview is brought to you by Uber Eats. Listen, guys, it's football season. It's Uber Eats season. We are going to eat all Sunday. As always, Uber Eats reminding fans that if football coincidentally makes you hungry, you can get game day deals on wings, burgers, beers, chips and more all season long. All on Uber Eats. What are we thinking for Sunday? We haven't done Chinese in a while.

[PFT]

Chinese would be good. I was thinking maybe nachos.

[Big Cat]

Nachos. Nachos don't travel well, but they do travel well with Ubereats. So maybe we can do nachos. We can get a big thing of nachos.

[PFT]

Big thing of nachos.

[Max]

We could also Uber eats a bunch of ingredients to make nachos here.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[PFT]

Yeah, Put them in the oven.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we'll put them in some Tums. Yeah. Yeah, Nachos.

[Max]

I'll make the boys some nachos.

[Big Cat]

So we're gonna Uber eat some nachos ingredients. So you'll love being able to get all your personal favorite game day foods delivered on Uber eats so that you never miss a play. When football makes you hungry, get game day deals all season long only on Uber Eats. All right, boys, week five. We got another. We're going to start with another game overseas. Shout out, Hank. It is Vikings at Browns. Browns are four and a half point favorites. Over under is 36 and a half. Right now. It is Dylan Gabriel time. And it's a weird one because Shador Sanders did a media moment with where he mimed everything.

[PFT]

Well, this is what I'm saying. The man can't exist.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So you get mad at Dylan Gabriel or you get mad at Dylan when he seems like he's taking a shot at Shador. Shador, as a smart backup, saw that you can get in trouble if you talk to the media as a backup. So he didn't say anything. And now everyone's like, look how immature this guy is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he can exist.

[PFT]

It's sad.

[Big Cat]

It was a little ridiculous.

[PFT]

It was.

[Big Cat]

I thought it was fake. Yeah, I got my sound like, I thought something was wrong with, like he wasn't miked up or something. It was so bizarre to watch.

[PFT]

Yeah. They're calling him mime time. His dad was prime time. He's mime time. Listen, I think that he could have handled it a little bit better, like saying at least a couple words if you don't want, if you don't want to say anything as a quarterback, there's. There's great ways to not say anything as an athlete. There countless examples of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You can just be like, I. I just want to support my team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And just keep repeating that he probably could have handled it better. And then actually, the worst part for me was when I found out why he did that. Allegedly it was a response to something Rex Ryan said. Oh, if Rex Ryan is in your head. Rex Ryan talks on tv. He's a man that exists in an electric box.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

That you, that you opt into looking at.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

He has nothing to do with the NFL right now. He was almost the coach of the jets, but he's not in the league. If, if Rex Ryan is taking up any space at all in your head to the point where you're going to react to that in a press conference, I feel like you're already a little bit behind the eight.

[Big Cat]

I would agree. I would agree. You can't let Rock Rex trigger you. So fun. Stat. Ready for this? Dylan Gabriel, starting. Every single Oklahoma starting QB from 2015 to 2023 is now starting in the NFL.

[PFT]

Oklahoma.

[Big Cat]

Oklahoma.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Isn't that crazy?

[PFT]

That is crazy.

[Big Cat]

So, Baker.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Jalen Hurts. Kyler Murray. Spencer Rattler. Caleb. Caleb Williams. Dylan Gabriel.

[PFT]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

That's nuts. Absolute shout out quarterback factory. I mean, like to think about that.

[PFT]

It must have won so many championships.

[Big Cat]

Six. Six quarterbacks.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All started for Oklahoma at one point or another is nuts. It's also very interesting looking at the NFC north right now. This is why when we do, we always have to do the preseason, look at your schedule, do the wins and losses. But we do also have to remind ourselves that you never know how it's going to shake out. Because now in the AFC north, the only starting quarterback who started Week 1 who's still alive as of right now is Aaron Rodgers, who's 41 years old. So it's Aaron Rodgers for the Steelers. Cooper Rush is going to be starting for the Ravens because Lamar's out for a couple of weeks. Dylan Gabriel starting for the Browns and Jake Browning starting for the Bengals. We don't know shit.

[PFT]

We don't know anything. You can always. I think both these teams probably circled this game as a. As a potential win. Yeah, they saw. Because if you're the Browns, you see the Vikings, but it's overseas. Anything can happen. You're going to write that in as one of your, like, five or six projected wins for the season. If you're a Vikings fan, you see the Browns on the schedule, you write that in as a w. Yep. But I don't think anybody predicted that it was going to be Dylan Gabriel against Carson Wentz.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

At this point.

[Big Cat]

Yes. It also is.

[PFT]

It's a very British matchup because Carson Wentz looks like Prince Harry.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

Exactly like Prince Harry. Joe Flacco, some are saying. Maybe Prince Charles.

[Big Cat]

I like older.

[PFT]

And then obviously we talked about this, but desean Watson, Prince Andrew.

[Big Cat]

Prince Andrew.

[PFT]

And now with Shador. He's like the Buckingham palace guard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true. He's silent.

[PFT]

Yeah. Won't say anything.

[Big Cat]

Anyone want to guess how many quarterbacks have started for the Browns since 1999?

[PFT]

I know. I know this, so I'll abstain.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

1999.

[Big Cat]

That is 26 years.

[Hank]

I'm going to go with 42.

[Big Cat]

Very close. Wow. 41. Wow. Yeah.

[Max]

That was. That was an ask the office question.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Not only that, but so 41, that's like, all right, 1999. That's a long time. Can't really comprehend it. It's kind of like my earth stat. That. That blink of an eye. Yeah. That kind of fucked everyone up. On Wednesday show. This is the 10th starting quarterback just since Baker Mayfield last started for the Browns in 2021. Dylan Gabriel, Joe Flacco, Bailey Zappi, Dorian Thompson Robinson, Jameis Winston, Desean Watson, Jeff Driscoll, P.J. walker, Jacoby Brissette, Case Keenum. Yikes.

[PFT]

It's sad that that Cleveland Browns jersey shout out to the guy for. For updating it constantly.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

For keeping it going. That is the Vietnam wall of quarterbacks.

[Big Cat]

It's pretty brutal. I also have probably the most insulting quote a coach has ever given before a game, but if you don't know the context, you're like, oh, that was nice of him. This comes from Brian Flores. Did you see what Brian Flores said about this game and Dylan Gabriel?

[PFT]

I'm going to blitz the fuck out of him.

[Big Cat]

No, he said, I'm very excited. I see a lot of Tua Tagliavoa in this young man. He's a lefty with some degree of mobility. His film shows his thought process is similar to Tua's as well. This whole week, I've just been preparing as if we're facing Tua. It's been great. I'm eager to watch this young man go against what we have in store for him. Brian Flores hated Tua to the point where Tua said that he had to go to therapy for two years to, like, fix his confidence. That is so mean of Brian Flores to say, I see Tua, the guy I fucking almost ended his career by just hating him and bullying him as I was his head coach in Dylan Gabriel.

[PFT]

Yeah, this is bad.

[Big Cat]

That's bad. So me.

[PFT]

So do you think Dylan Gabriel sees that quote and knows that, or do you think he sees that and he's like, okay, I look up to Tua.

[Big Cat]

I hope that no one tells him the context of Brian Flores and Tua's relationship. Yeah, you just gotta leave it. You just gotta be like, whatever.

[PFT]

It's a very. It's a very, very mean thing for him to say.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, very mean. But, yeah, this. This game, I. It is going to be interesting to see Brian Flores versus Rookie Court. I actually like the Browns in this game.

[PFT]

Well, they do. I do Too. But here. No, no, hear me out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, let's hear us out.

[PFT]

Yeah, hear us out. It's because the Browns defense, obviously is elite. Top three defense in the NFL. The Vikings are going to blitz the fuck out of Dylan Gabriel. They're going to confuse him. Is going to be a low scoring game. What's the line on this game?

[Big Cat]

It's 36 and a half.

[Hank]

Oh, it's 36 and a half now.

[Big Cat]

36 and a half. Which is the lowest total in the 51 international games that have ever been played.

[PFT]

Lunder. I'm taking the Lunder on it. And then. But what's the line? What's the line? Four and a half spread. Four and a half. I like the Browns to keep it within a field goal.

[Big Cat]

I. So here's my reasoning. Yes, Brian Flores is probably going to put Dylan Gabriel in a little bit of a torture chamber. I do think that Dylan Gabriel might, with like some quick passing game, might be a little bit of mobility that Joe Flacco didn't have.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Have a little bit of spark. Kind of like Jackson dart. Not as good as Jackson dart, but you saw Jackson dart go into that Giants offense that was lifeless the week before against the Chiefs. A little bit of pop. But more than anything, the Vikings offensive line is really banged up and they just got bullied by the Steelers. Do you know who has a better defensive line than the Steelers? The Cleveland Browns.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So as much as it's like Dylan Gabriel against Brian Flores, I think it's just as much the Browns defense going up against Carson Wentz. This feels like a game that's going to just be gross, messy. And if you give me four and a half, I'm going to take it.

[PFT]

Yeah. So. So Minnesota almost got to the point where they had to play a tight end as an offensive lineman last week.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

They're down three starters. I love the Browns defensive line. The Browns offensive line, yeah, they've been banged up. They've been hurt, too. But guess what? Having somebody who can move back there is going to make that line look a little bit better. Yeah, just a little bit. Now, I'm not saying the Browns are going to win, but I could 14 to 10. I could see 14 to 10 in this.

[Big Cat]

14 to 10 feels exactly right.

[PFT]

Carson Wentz doing a weird, sad, slapstick fumble where he throws the ball accidentally backwards 7 yards, and miles Garrett picks it up, goes in the end zone and hits him on the head with it.

[Big Cat]

Like, just close your eyes and just see the. Think about Miles Garrett coming off the edge and Carson Wentz not feeling the pressure at all.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

In a strip sack.

[PFT]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Big Cat]

That, that absolutely plays. Okay, next game, the Las Vegas Raiders plus six and a half at the Indianapolis Colts over under 47 and a half. The Raiders are a mess. The Colts just beat themselves. This is a get right spot for the Colts.

[PFT]

I agree. Right now.

[Big Cat]

And that was more of a question. I actually don't know because I kind of want to take the Raiders, but I also want people to talk me off.

[PFT]

No, I agree. I think. I think it's good for the Colts.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

This matchup's good for the Colts right now. Like, Geno Smith has not looked like Geno Smith. Well, maybe he has. Depends on which Geno Smith you're inquiring about that. The one that hasn't shown up yet, I don't think is going to show up this week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And Pete Carroll is defending him in the media saying everything looks great in practice. Oh, that's. That is on the stage. Like we talk about how a coach might be starting to think about maybe he's going to be fired. And then he passes the play calling stuff around. He starts getting angry at. At everybody that tries to talk to him. He says, we're going to take a long look in the mirror. It starts and it ends with me. These are all the things on that list in terms of benching a quarterback. I think really hyping up how good he is at practice is probably right there on that list.

[Big Cat]

It's never good to say we had great practice.

[PFT]

He said he hits everything in practice. He's ridiculously accurate. He has been the whole time we've been together. He's really confident. He thought he could get it. But game speed was a little different. That's where he grows the dame. The game speed is a little different than the practice that we can create. So Geno Smith just needs to see more game. He hasn't been in the league long enough to. To really feel the difference between game speed and practice speed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't. I don't like that quote. No, I don't like that at all. Ashton. Jenny brought his stance back. I know that was a little bit of a story. His Michael Myers, he calls it, which it's not. He's not the first guy to do it. I think Gibbs does it. I think Nick Chubb used to do it. It's cool. It looks awesome.

[PFT]

Standing vertically.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Just standing. Just as relaxed as possible. He said that. I think I saw the quote. He's like, I like to just be as relaxed as possible, read the defense. Why do I need to be bent over?

[PFT]

Do you see what Michael Irvin said the other week about receivers?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

He's like, I wish that they would get back in a three point stance. Oh, that'd be awesome, wouldn't it?

[Big Cat]

That would be.

[PFT]

I guess the problem is you can get jammed real easy off the line if you're in a three point stance.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You could just basically stand over them and shove them down.

[PFT]

But Sprin, they get down in a three point stance when they take off.

[Big Cat]

It would be. It would probably work just as a. If you don't show it on film and you just do it during a game.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Cornerbacks would probably be a little fucked up.

[PFT]

It would. It would psych them out a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We also have. This is a low sample size, but I'll just throw it out there. Alex Kemp is the ref in this game. He is. The Raiders are 03 when he officiates a game. Very small sample size, but just throw it in there, you know?

[PFT]

But it is the Raiders, too.

[Big Cat]

It is the Raiders. Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

The RA.

[Big Cat]

He's 0 and 3 when. The Raiders are 0 and 3 when he calls a game.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So maybe, maybe I feel like Daniel Jones, this is. This is a big week of. He's got to get back. Well, he's got to get back. He's got to get back. We got to get back on the, the. The Daniel Jones, maybe dark horse MVP talk.

[PFT]

When we talked about last game, going into that Rams Colts game, we. We laid out some scenarios and how we're going to talk about the, The Colts after that game. I don't think that we had A.D. mitchell costing them two touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

When we went into that, I would agree. But in terms of like Daniel Jones, the narrative around him, I don't think that it, it didn't suffer that much this weekend. No, the narrative was just like, oh, the Colts gave that game away. They could have won it very easily.

[Big Cat]

Multiple times. They gave it away.

[PFT]

Yeah. But this one against the Raiders defense, I feel like at home with Mr. Ursay watching from above. Mrs. Ursay. Ms. Ursay. Is there a Mr. Ursay?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Zach, Possibly. She does have a husband also named Zach.

[PFT]

Oh, so she has a type.

[Big Cat]

That's what the streets are saying.

[PFT]

Okay, so, yeah, she'll be there. I. I like the Colts. I think the Colts get back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Put up a bunch of points. This is gonna be a high scoring game.

[Big Cat]

I Think I saw. Did Anthony Richardson comment about possibly going to the Rams? There's obviously, there's. There's. There's always smoke where it's like, hey, quarterback, who has all the traits? How does he get fixed? Send him to Sean McVeigh camp.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or Kevin O' Connell camp or, you know, Kyle Shanahan camp.

[PFT]

It's a little early to be doing that.

[Big Cat]

It is, but. Oh, yeah, here we go. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, Richardson would like to play for a premier play caller such as Sean McVeigh. That's weird.

[PFT]

He's on the team as a tight end.

[Big Cat]

Unclear. But that is. That's kind of weird that there's a report that he wants to play for the Rams when he's on the Colts.

[Max]

I feel like Steichen is also a.

[Big Cat]

Really good play caller. Yeah.

[Max]

So I don't. I don't understand why he thinks a different good play caller would be better.

[Big Cat]

He just needs to change the scenery.

[Max]

Yeah, but that implies that Steichen is a bad play caller.

[Big Cat]

Well.

[Max]

Or not a premier play caller.

[PFT]

Maybe Shane Steichen never told him, hey, don't take yourself out of the game because you're tired.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And I think that's something that Sean McVeigh has always emphasized and preached.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[PFT]

You're the quarterback. You're going to stay in every play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, Daniel Jones, fourth in completion percentage this season. You want to know who's won? Drake May. Drake May. Bang Drake.

[PFT]

One of those graphs.

[Big Cat]

The graphs.

[Hank]

It's been a great week.

[Big Cat]

You've been all up in the graphs.

[Hank]

It's been a great week.

[PFT]

I think. And we'll get to this game later. I think this is the week for Drake Mayhank. I think this is the week.

[Hank]

I do, too.

[PFT]

I think this is the week.

[Big Cat]

Money line. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

It's. It's the week.

[Hank]

Passing the torch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Drake, May, 74. Jared Goff, 73.8. Dak, 72.9. And then Daniel Jones in fourth, 71.9.

[PFT]

What are you looking at me like that for? Hey, I'm happy.

[Hank]

I'm happy you're on my side.

[PFT]

No, you're like. No, you're like. You gotta look on you.

[Hank]

I know what you're doing, but I like it. I like it.

[PFT]

I don't know what I'm doing.

[Hank]

I know what you're doing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Max knows what you're doing.

[PFT]

What am I doing? Max?

[Max]

I don't want to be lumped into this this week.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Next game. We got the. What is it? Oh, it's the Saints. Saints Giants and saints. Saints minus one and a half over. Under 42 and a half. Congratulations to Jackson Dart. We missed this. He was slimed. He won the MVP this year.

[PFT]

Yeah. Congrats.

[Big Cat]

So he got actually slimed after his win. What? You. You don't like. You don't.

[Hank]

MVP should be playoffs. They're ruining the Do It Weekly.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's better when it's playoffs.

[PFT]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We also had Brian Dable. He's. I think he's back. I think Brian Dable might be back. I actually like the Saints in this game and it might be a really stupid thing to say, but I. I saw Spencer Rattler said he feels like he's not playing losing football, which is key.

[PFT]

That's the first thing you got to do.

[Big Cat]

I'm. I believe him. Even though he's owing 10. Yeah. He doesn't feel like he's playing losing football. That's.

[Hank]

That's a horrible thing to say.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

That means he's never going to play winning football.

[PFT]

No.

[Hank]

Mike McDaniel thinks he's playing good football and losing.

[PFT]

He's. You got to. You got to not lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You can't do things that lose the game. And he's not doing things that lose the game. He's Is.

[Big Cat]

He's just not doing every game. No.

[PFT]

He's not doing things that lose the game. And the next thing he has to work on is doing things to win the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So right now he's. He's not losing the game. They're just losing every time he plays. Ever.

[PFT]

And it was a. Forever a weird spread week.

[Hank]

I'm not bad at golf. I just never score well.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Hank, you are the king of saying great shot. Bad result factor fiction.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's what losers.

[PFT]

That's loser talk.

[Big Cat]

Like that is.

[Hank]

That is literally coke.

[Big Cat]

Yet he kind of got us.

[Hank]

That's the definition of cope.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I thought I hit that well. Yeah.

[PFT]

So this. This spread earlier in the week, the Giants were favored. Then it swung. Are the Saints still favored?

[Big Cat]

Saints are favored by a half. One and a half.

[PFT]

By one and a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I. I like the Saints this weekend. I don't think Spencer rattler is not 0 and 10 bad. I think I said this.

[Big Cat]

You believe him? You believe his losing football quote?

[PFT]

I believe his losing football quote. I. I thought he. He competed well last week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is all right. Hank might be right because I'm with you. Pft. But hearing you say it It. After I said it.

[PFT]

No, I believe it.

[Big Cat]

Saying someone competed.

[PFT]

Well, maybe it's me problem because I did pick the Saints to beat the Seahawks. I picked the Saints to cover against the Bills, which they did. I think that. Yeah, the Saints are riding high off a. Of a competitive game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Riding off a competitive game.

[PFT]

Hank, you got to stack those.

[Hank]

I do think they can win this game just because it's the Giants and.

[Big Cat]

A rookie and no Malik neighbors, which obviously sucks. Brian Dabel was asked about the turf because that is the. It is so ridiculous that for the World cup they're turfing all these fields. Yeah. And then they're just going to go back or they're. They're grassing all these fields and they're going to go back to turf. But he was asked about the turf or the grass and he said, we're getting ready to play the Saints. That's where my focus is.

[PFT]

Yeah. What is.

[Hank]

He can't do anything.

[Big Cat]

No, he can. He could ask. Eber flu's got the. Got the grass fixed fixed at Soldier Field.

[Hank]

Is it fixed?

[Big Cat]

Oh, they went to, like, a different cut.

[PFT]

They like, reseeded it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they went to like a Bahama or split grass. I don't fucking know.

[PFT]

Is that. Is that the best thing that Eber Flutes did by far? Just field management?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Yeah, he was really good at that.

[Big Cat]

Yes, absolutely. It's not even close.

[PFT]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, obviously. We're a progress podcast.

[Big Cat]

Always player safety. We. When we say player safety, we mean it.

[PFT]

Yeah. Unlike if I had an NFL stadium, I would make sure it was grass.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely.

[PFT]

That's just a fact.

[Big Cat]

I don't know why it's. It. I really do think it comes down to just a cost thing, which is so ridiculous in terms of how much money the NFL makes. And it's like, how would you not want your investments, your players to. To be as safe as possible? That seems like business 101.

[PFT]

Maybe if you're.

[Big Cat]

If you're, you know, the Giants and you're like, hey, it will cost a couple hundred thousand dollars extra to maintain a grass field at MetLife, but maybe we will have one or two less of our guys tear an ACL. I would take that trade every single day.

[PFT]

But counterpoint, when Taylor Swift is on tour, do you want her to play concert at your stadium so that you can take your daughters to the game and then have her think that you're really cool because you got a great seats in a suite?

[Big Cat]

They still can. Soldier Field still does concerts. It's just Your grass is going to. All right, so here's where the debate comes. Is really bad. Poorly maintained grass. Safer than turf, I think. Yes. Probably depends.

[PFT]

What about the sod?

[Big Cat]

Father Sodfather fucked things up. Yeah. Things up bad. Yeah.

[PFT]

I do like the Saints this weekend. I also really enjoy watching Dart and Scatterboo.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So, like, somehow the Giants are fun. It does suck that they don't have neighbors, but I am looking forward to that. And I'm loving every second of Brian Dable just embracing the very notion that his job might be saved.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

He's like, this is, this is all I need right now.

[Big Cat]

He had to wake up on Monday morning and be like, holy shit. I don't know what this feeling is. Yeah, I might be okay. All right, next game, Cowboys at jets. Cowboys are two and a half point favorites over under 47 and a half. Memes. How are we feeling? They're wearing black uniforms. I like that. I like that. And I think the Cowboys are wearing the uniforms that I don't like. So I'm going to give a point right there to the Jets. The Cowboys are wearing their, you know, the white with the, the blue on the shoulder.

[PFT]

Yeah, there's.

[Big Cat]

They're gross. I don't like those uniforms.

[PFT]

No memes. Yes, I have a blind resume for you.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I like this. I think, I think I know.

[PFT]

Okay, well, I'll just do, I'll do the blind.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

Stop me if you've heard it before, but everybody else can answer. Max, why don't you answer? Here are two quarterbacks in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Quarterback 1 has 471 passing yards. I, I, I, Okay.

[Big Cat]

You're gonna ask, hear me.

[Max]

I think there's a reason why you asked me to answer.

[PFT]

Okay. Well, Hank. Okay, okay. I'm asking. Hank. Hank. QB1 has 471 passing yards.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

QB2 has.

[Hank]

This is this season.

[PFT]

This season. So 471 solid. QB2 has 383 passing yards.

[Hank]

Not solid.

[PFT]

Quarterback one has two pass touchdowns.

[Hank]

Not great.

[PFT]

Quarterback two also has two passing touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Quarterback one has 178 rushing yards. Quarterback two has 139 rushing yards.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Quarterback one has three rushing touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

Quarterback two has four rushing touchdowns. Who are you taking, QB1 or QB2? QB1. Yeah, the stats are better, objectively. Any guesses as to who the two quarterbacks are?

[Hank]

I'm going to guess Justin Fields because we're talking about the Jets. And then I will guess.

[Big Cat]

Omar.

[Hank]

I was going to say Caleb, but he has more passing Touchdowns than that.

[Max]

It's, it's, it's, it's got to be. Jalen hurts. That's why you asked.

[Big Cat]

That's why you're gonna go.

[PFT]

It is Jalen hurts.

[Hank]

391 yards.

[PFT]

It is Jalen.

[Big Cat]

Wait, but that's.

[PFT]

381 game. No, that's. That's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Does anyone want to raise their hand? Every team's. Who has four wins on this podcast. Wait, who has four wins?

[PFT]

Hand up.

[Max]

I'll put my hand up.

[PFT]

I might have screwed up the stat. Oh, I didn't realize.

[Big Cat]

Blind resume by a blind guy. Yeah.

[PFT]

Blind resume. These stats are from weeks one, two and four of this season.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Max]

Oh, my God.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, but Justin Fields didn't play week three.

[PFT]

Yeah, he didn't play play week three.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah.

[PFT]

One for weeks.

[Big Cat]

One day.

[Max]

This is a joke.

[PFT]

But still, weeks one, two and two.

[Hank]

393 yards is crazy.

[PFT]

Who do you take?

[Hank]

Jussie.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I like this. I like this new blind resume thing we could do. We. It's blind resume by a blind guy. Pft. Or I do a blind resume and we intentionally fuck up at least one stat. So you got to decide on the blind resume and also figure out what stat we.

[PFT]

Well, to be fair, I mean, who makes. Who makes a blind resume where it's weeks one, two and four? I did not see that one coming.

[Big Cat]

Memes. I like the jets this week. I do too. Braylon Allen went on ir, so we're going to see more. More breeze Hall. Michael Carter went on. Michael Carter has a concussion. We have Brownlee from the Titans who we traded for a couple weeks ago. The PFF stats of the bad players from last week have improved. So coaching is there. They just got to figure out the penalties and not fumble the fucking ball. I got something for you from Sports Info Solutions. So they sent me this. The jets have been blitzed more often than most teams, but the jets are actually. They're pretty good success. They have a good, pretty good success rate against a four man rush. So blitzing is worked against the Jets. The Cowboys rush four over 70% of the time. So they do not blitz. So. And I don't think they have like solutions on defense. So I think the jets are going to have a nice day offensively. I hope so. Just run the ball. Yeah. When the rock win like 21 to 17, just get out of there.

[PFT]

So the Cowboys stink at defending mobile quarterbacks too. So they. They let Russell Wilson, he averaged 7.7 yards on his runs against the Cowboys. Jordan Love had his longest run of the year. They stink against mobile quarterbacks. I think Hertz. Yeah, Hertz had 60 yards, two touchdowns in week one. You have a pretty mobile quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Very mobile.

[PFT]

Just like, run, run the damn ball. And then on your pass plays, just have. Unless there's a guy wide open, have Jussie just tuck it.

[Big Cat]

Run. Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

What about. What about what Aaron Glenn said about you guys about to pop? Are you guys about to pop?

[Big Cat]

I love that. I don't love what Justin Field said, but he kind of said the same thing that I said. Yeah, that's a. That's a bad mindset to have. Okay, so Justin Fields, similar to My Earth is a 24 hour day and we only show up in the last minute. And that's how small life is, human life is. And we're all inconsequential. Justin Fields said we're blessed. At the end of the day, you look at the bigger picture in life. We're getting paid well to play a child's sport. Good perspective.

[PFT]

Great perspective.

[Big Cat]

Great perspective. Maybe not a winning perspective. I kind of see. Now that I've said it out loud, I kind of see where you're coming from. Not a winning perspective, but good perspective. It's very good perspective. Memes. We get paid to do idiot jazz on this show. Yeah. But sometimes you got to make shit up like Baker and just, you know, fine. Extra motivation.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah, it is. There's a little bit too much perspective, I think, from just when you start to think about yourself as being like in the top 0.001% of people to ever play quarterback that's ever existed. That's. That's definitely some cope.

[Big Cat]

But maybe he's just. He's like not getting down on himself. You want his confidence there.

[PFT]

I'm in the top 0.001% of tall people in the history of the earth.

[Big Cat]

That's true. Well, is it?

[PFT]

Oh, yeah. When you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I mean, are you sure? Back in the 70s, kids that died early. Yeah, that's great point.

[Big Cat]

It's true. Great point. All those dead kids, Hank.

[PFT]

And also. Yeah, everybody. Everybody until like 1900 was 5 foot 5.

[Big Cat]

Everyone stop for a second and think about the dead kids.

[PFT]

Poor one out.

[Big Cat]

I'm just trying to think of people.

[Hank]

That died shorter than pft.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true.

[Hank]

Basically just children.

[PFT]

Short kings. King Tut.

[Big Cat]

That was mean.

[PFT]

It was literally a short king.

[Big Cat]

No, what he said.

[PFT]

Oh, the people that he said.

[Big Cat]

No, he said, think about all the people that are smaller than pft. And it was basically just children.

[PFT]

That's just not true. Hank Slashing. He's pre lashing because he thinks I'm going to do some weird Drake May thing with him, but it is. This is the week.

[Big Cat]

The defenses are up today. The defenses are up. I'm happy that I have a bye week this week. We should have mentioned that there are bye weeks this week.

[PFT]

Steelers, Bears.

[Big Cat]

I had it written down. Shit.

[PFT]

Falcons, Packers.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Early bye week. I kind of like it just in the fact that we don't have the overload. Ten games in the noon slot. Yeah, it's bad, bad, bad.

[Hank]

Podcasting.

[Big Cat]

No, go for it. It's great if that's the name of it.

[Hank]

It's great if the Cubs won.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Hank]

Bye week.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

Having the Cubs of focus.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're taping this in the morning. We don't know the result. Obviously, you heard it at the beginning of the show. Yeah, yeah. It would be nice. Cause then I'd have Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. But we'll see. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That was bad broadcasting. Okay, Broncos at Eagles. Broncos plus three and a half. The over under is 43 and a half, max. How we feeling? This feels like maybe the Broncos got their mojo back going into Philadelphia.

[Max]

Or it feels like a game that A.J. brown is in the media and then he goes off for, like 250 yards against Patrick Certain, and then everyone is like, oh, yeah, that's A.J. brown.

[PFT]

Are you concerned that that type of, that type of result would reward this behavior?

[Max]

No, I'm not concerned by that.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Max]

At all. I, I, I applaud this type of behavior if that's what comes from it.

[Big Cat]

Do you think there's a chance we get a jersey swap between the white cornerbacks? Because this is a momentous game. We get the white cornerbacks two in one game. It'd been a long time.

[Max]

I like calling your shot on that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Cooper shot. We need the jersey swap.

[PFT]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

Gotcha.

[PFT]

I think we're going to get it. When are we going to get this again?

[Big Cat]

We don't see color, but it would.

[PFT]

Be nice if they did it just a collar. Collar.

[Big Cat]

Swap.

[Max]

Collar.

[PFT]

Yeah. Lunch pail swap.

[Big Cat]

Vic Fangio revenge game.

[Max]

For some reason, I was, I thought you were talking about, like, priests. I think the collar with.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Okay. Vic Fangio revenge game. Yeah.

[Max]

They've been asking him about it this week, and Vic Fangio is a sort of. He doesn't give a fuck about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How long does a revenge game stay Active because he was the coach of the Broncos. Got fired by the Broncos. But the Broncos has have since had multiple coaches and new ownership.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think the new ownership eliminates that changes it.

[Max]

I don't think Vic Vanje really cares. I think Vic Van Joe is happy to be coaching in Philly and watching the Phils.

[Big Cat]

What they need to do is they need to, the Big Dom needs to create like a dossier and put it on Vic Fangio's desk. And it's like a fake quote from the Walton family of them being like, hey, here's their introductory press conference when they bought the Broncos and they just wanted it clear they never would have hired Vic Fangio. First statement, we're excited to be with the Denver Broncos just so we can clean up what happened in the past. Vic Fangio was the biggest mistake the Denver Broncos ever made. We'll never do that again.

[Max]

Sounds good.

[Big Cat]

Just get him pumped up.

[PFT]

I think he is thinking about it a little bit though, because he was ready to go on the, on the K ball stuff. Like he, he threw some red meat out there when he was talking to the press about like, hey, kickers are just making every field goal now because they got their own balls. Somebody's going to make a 70 yard.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

He like, that was a, I, I, I can't imagine that he really cares that deeply about it.

[Max]

No, he seems like a guy that's like, fuck the kickers. I don't like the kickers getting this much shine. Sort of.

[Doug Peterson]

Sort of coach.

[PFT]

Okay, so.

[Max]

And he feels like he's playing good enough defense to get stops.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Max]

And he's giving up points for things that it's a dead ball era.

[PFT]

But he should be, he should be pumped about.

[Max]

He was like, those points should, should not count these.

[PFT]

These balls are easier to block.

[Max]

Is that true?

[PFT]

Well, for the Eagles they are, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Blocking the shit out of.

[Max]

But I don't think it has anything to do with the ball that just has pure strength.

[PFT]

I think it's. We need to look at. These are more blockable balls.

[Max]

Memes had a question.

[Big Cat]

Yes, Memes. Vic Fangio already had his revenge game. He was the defensive coordinator for the Dolphins when they won 70 to 20. But he hasn't for the, but also Vic Fangio, when he was on the, when he was a Broncos head coach, he went into Philly and the eagles beat him 31 to 20. So double revenge or 31. 13. 30 to 13. So he needs to get revenge for that with the Eagles against the Eagles. Yeah.

[PFT]

No I'm gonna.

[Max]

I don't know. He lost me there.

[PFT]

That's revenge. I think memes might be right if you stomp a team like that. Oh, it's like the best revenge is living well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Your dragon has been slayed. I did like what Sean Payton said, though, because he's doing reverse bulletin board material.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Smart guy. Been around for a while. Just basically sucked Eagle's dick in the Tush push and said.

[Big Cat]

I saw that.

[PFT]

He's like, I like to play. It's. They're trying to ban it. It's a. It's a quarterback sneak, and they run it better than anybody else does. And I voted to not ban it. So shout out to the Tush push. I also think that this is probably Sean Payton just adamantly disagreeing with anything that Roger Goodell wants.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

He knows that Goodell wants to ban the Tush Porsche. And so Sean Payton's just like him. I'm. I'm the biggest Twitch Bush fan there is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Just because you hate it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Max, can we have a hard conversation?

[PFT]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

CJ Shroud. Hard conversations. Yeah, we just have a hard conversation. Are we allowed to have a hard conversation?

[Max]

You can have whatever conversation you want. This is your show.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Last year, you guys won the Super Bowl. Yep. Things went well. 2022, you went to the Super Bowl. Things were great. The middle year, you guys won games, but things didn't look great.

[Max]

I can have a counterpoint.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How.

[Max]

How did the first four weeks of last year go?

[Big Cat]

Agreed. It was two and two. I'm just asking. Is there a part? Because The Eagles are 30th in total offense, 22nd in total defense, one in win percentage. Is there any part of you that's like, is this more 2023 than 2024? Again, I'm not saying it. I'm just asking a hard. That we're doing the hard conversation.

[Max]

We've also. The teams that were.

[Big Cat]

We've played.

[Max]

The record of the teams that we've played are nine, five, and one.

[Big Cat]

Agree.

[Max]

It's been a tough schedule.

[Big Cat]

We've.

[Max]

We have four wins that have come out of it. We had a gutsy comeback win against the Rams. We're beating good teams. We're playing football to win the game. I'm. I don't really.

[Big Cat]

So the hard conversations don't give a fuck. Wins. All you care about.

[Max]

Just keep.

[Big Cat]

I'm.

[Max]

I. I will give a fuck when we start losing games. Right now we're winning games.

[Big Cat]

I'm not.

[Max]

I'm not going to be that guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

That gets pre worried. You're not and you're not a calls in the 94 WIP and is like this team fucking sucks.

[Big Cat]

Oh we.

[Max]

We can't move the football. Our defense isn't as good as everyone Sundays and you're 4 0. I'm not going to be that guy.

[Big Cat]

In defense of that guy. What was your guys didn't in 2023 you guys started like 9 and 1 or something.

[Max]

We did.

[Big Cat]

Right. And it was kind of similar. What didn't look great but you were winning. So in defense.

[Max]

But that also happened last year. We were 2 and 2 and looked like to start the year then you started dominating. So what's to say that we're not going to start dominating?

[Big Cat]

Fact. This is a good hard question.

[Max]

Especially have having a sketch like. Like it's been a really tough schedule to start this year. I'm not going to be upset about winning four football games.

[Big Cat]

Winning. Would you rather win? Offense looks terrible. Defense looks bad. But you won the game. Or maybe mix in a loss. Offense looks electric. Maybe there was like a weird special teams play. Defense looks electric.

[Max]

Refs fuck you win the football game.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. That was a good hard conversation in.

[PFT]

An ideal world, perfect world. Max's magic wand. Would you like to outgain your opponent this weekend?

[Max]

Sure.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Max]

Would you like to be 5 10?

[PFT]

Yeah, I can go on.

[Big Cat]

It's a hard conversation.

[PFT]

Yeah. I can go and buy shoes. You can do that tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

I listen. I agree with you, Max. Winning is winning. I just was asking the hard conversation question because that is obviously like the Eagles are defending super bowl champions. They're 40 and the conversation is going to be how it's looked. Not the record, which it probably should be. More about the record. You are what your record says you are. Yeah. And we've been.

[Max]

We've been a little banged up. Lane Johnson, like it is crazy. Like Lane Johnson goes out and all of a sudden the offense is just shit every time he. He's fully practicing this week. Jalen Carter's fully practicing this week.

[PFT]

So.

[Max]

I don't. I'm, I'm. I'm not going to be upset about being four now. I'm not going to be upset about.

[PFT]

Being is this Eagles team the worst 20 and one team in their last 21 games of all time?

[Big Cat]

Hard conversation.

[Max]

Sure. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm okay. I'm okay to say that. How many teams are 20 and one?

[PFT]

Not.

[Big Cat]

Not many.

[PFT]

There's like probably the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Ohio State. No, not even Ohio State.

[PFT]

Probably the Dolphins from back in the day. Yeah, they probably went 20 and 1.

[Big Cat]

Rogers and the packers, remember they had that when they won the Super Bowl. I think they went 15 and one after that.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think the Eagles. Yeah, they're. They're the worst.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay.

[PFT]

The next Eagle.

[Max]

Eagles also have that. I have one more thing to say.

[Big Cat]

I have one more thing to say.

[Max]

The Patriots used to go through this, too. Is that, like, when a team is really good, people love to find things that make them not good.

[Big Cat]

The Chiefs go through. The Chiefs go through it. You have to. It's boring to just be like, The Eagles are 4, 0. No one can beat him. We naturally, as we watch sports, have to talk about something. So that's what happens.

[Max]

Correct. Okay, I'm. Now I'm done.

[Big Cat]

Zach, how would you say that hard conversation went? I think it went. It was pretty hard convo. Are the. What do we. I know we were saying that when teams are really good, you have to have something to say about them. Do we put the current Eagles in that slot with the Chiefs and the Patriots?

[PFT]

Yeah, I think. I think definitely, like, every. Literally every negative thing that I've said about the Eagles this year has come from a place of extreme jealousy and also trying to stir Max up.

[Big Cat]

That's fair.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

My.

[PFT]

But yes, we have to do that. We have to have the hard conversations on the show because if we don't have them, then I don't think anybody's having them out there.

[Max]

The 510 that I take, I. I wish I could take that.

[Big Cat]

No, you can't.

[PFT]

No, that was.

[Big Cat]

In a hard conversation, you can't take it back.

[PFT]

It was a hard conversation to have.

[Big Cat]

But the good news is once you exit a hard conversation, it's over.

[Max]

Yeah, we're good.

[PFT]

Between the lines.

[Big Cat]

Between the lines. Yeah. To answer your question, Zach, I. I don't believe that the Eagles are, like, in trouble in any way. It's more that. How do you talk about a 4 and O team if their offense hasn't looked electric? That's how you talk about.

[PFT]

I got another one that we can do. Yeah, we can have the Is Jalen Hurts elite conversation.

[Big Cat]

That's a really.

[PFT]

Because I think. I think that's the next one.

[Hank]

One, two, and four.

[PFT]

I think he's. He's become the new Joe Flacco where he won a Super Bowl. But everyone's trying to find is Jalen Hurts Elite Sound off in the comments.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Where you rank them? Where does he Rank.

[PFT]

Good combo. Max.

[Max]

Well, sound off in the comments.

[Big Cat]

Good hard combo.

[PFT]

Jersey swap.

[Max]

Yes, Jersey swap.

[PFT]

After we're done that. This is only a triple xl. I don't know if it would fit.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Max]

Is that, is that actually a triple xl?

[PFT]

I think so, yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's a great jersey.

[PFT]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

I respect the hell out of it.

[PFT]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

All right. Dolphins and Panthers. Panthers. Let's see. Oh, no. They're now underdogs. They're plus one and a half. They started as favorites. Over under is 45 and a half. I had that written down. Because if they somehow get back to being favorites. The Panthers haven't won a game as a favorite since September of 2021. That's a long time. So who were the quarterbacks in that game? Panthers. It was Panthers versus Texans. Can you give me the quarterback?

[PFT]

Okay. What's the year?

[Big Cat]

2021. Week three. 2021.

[PFT]

P.J. yates.

[Big Cat]

Week four, I believe. Believe. Nope.

[PFT]

Is it Kyle Allen Watson?

[Big Cat]

It shocked me. It was Sam Darnold beating Davis Mills.

[PFT]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

What a matchup. What a matchup. So, yeah, I, I, they're the, the Panthers are now underdogs, so we'll throw that out. But I kind of like the pants. I like some shitty teams this week. I like some shitty teams.

[PFT]

I kind of like the Dolphins, I think. I don't know. I don't know which Dolphins team's going to show up, but I know that the Panthers are capable of being just miserable dog. But so are the Dolphins.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely. So are the Dolphins.

[PFT]

The, the one silver lining to the Tyreek Hill injury thing is I, I spent some time yesterday just bringing up Tyreek Hill highlights.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

My phone. And I've forgotten just how truly dominant he was and how fun he was to watch.

[Big Cat]

I saw the one. Did you see the one? I think it was the 13 seconds game against the Bills.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He took that to. And it looked like he was just playing at a totally, like. It looked like something fucked up with the tv and he was just at a different speed than everyone else.

[PFT]

Yeah. When he hit the peace sign at like the 20 yard line.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Tyreek, do yourself a favor. If you love ball. What? Start. Start bringing up some old Tyreek Hill clips.

[Big Cat]

This game's a bummer.

[PFT]

It is.

[Big Cat]

I don't really have anything except for this game's a bummer. Also too, has been talking about his concussions and how he's changed his diet. So he's in that level of it.

[PFT]

Oh, he's doing the, the Russell Wilson thing. The nano bubbles.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He said he talking about the water, how drinking water helps with the concussions. Your brain kind of sits in fluids. If I'm not eating carbs, when you drink water, it will kind of flush out of you and you can't stay hydrated. So he's got to eat carbs and.

[PFT]

And drink water, keep the water in.

[Big Cat]

His brain in the fluid.

[PFT]

So he's gonna, he's gonna piss high level science. He's gonna piss his way to a concussion.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT]

Okay. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But he's also gotta eat the carbs.

[PFT]

That sounds awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I actually, every time I eat carbs now, I'm just gonna be like, just trying to stay safe about concussions.

[PFT]

Just chase it with the water. Like I'm good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Pretty bad slate.

[Big Cat]

Overall, it's not the best. There's some good games. We're gonna play a baseball in there too. But yeah, there's some, there's. There's like 2,3ish games that I'm actually excited for.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The next one is. Is kind of what makes it worse late is the Texans at the Ravens because Lamar's not playing. So The Texans are one and a half point favorites at the Ravens. Over under is 43 and a half. I didn't think that Lamar was going to miss time when he was taken out of that game against Chiefs because I kind of. We talked about on. Yeah, they were like, oh, maybe he's not actually hurt. He is hurt. And I think the Ravens are absolutely front runners for year from hell team.

[PFT]

So they're saying two to three weeks with a hamstring injury.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

That's. Yeah. Hand up. I might have been wrong about that one one when I said they were just taking him out of the game because it was out of hand and they were embellishing the injury report. But that's not going to stop me from speculating on it. You know when, you know when announcers say like I hate to speculate on an injury but. And then they always say the injury that they're speculating. I kind of love speculating on injuries. It's one of my favorite things. Absolutely. Unless it's my quarterback, in which case that's hipaa. But if it's anybody else's. Yeah, I'm going to speculate.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is so. So after the Lamar Jackson news, the Ravens were nine and a half point favorites. I think opened and then it's all the way to their one and a half point dogs. This is the ass versus bowl.

[PFT]

Yeah. Well, no, that ready for this. The Titans. The Titans.

[Big Cat]

No, no.

[PFT]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

No, no. All right, so I should say specific units. Ask for sass.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So the Texans offense is 29th in the NFL in points per game. The Ravens are third. And the Texans defense is first in points per game. And the Ravens defense is 30 seconds. So ask for sass.

[PFT]

Asked to ask. This is the requiem for a dream bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So the Texans have a great defense. Obviously Cooper Rush now changed everything. Texas have a great defense, Ravens have a great offense. But then you flip it around. The defense. Yeah. It's just as for sass. And now Cooper Rush makes it ass.

[PFT]

But wait, wait. With Cooper Rush, maybe we should respect Cooper Rush a little bit more. You know what his starting record is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

For the Cowboys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

He's nine and five as a starter.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

So yeah, maybe we might have to slow down on the. On the ass. I mean, Lamar Jackson, he's got badass. We know that. But Cooper Rush, maybe. Maybe a top tier backup.

[Big Cat]

Maybe it's up to your back.

[PFT]

No, but the offense is going to look spin zone. Actually, if you got Cooper Rush starting, you're going to hand the ball to Derrick Henry.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You're going to run the damn ball.

[Big Cat]

Especially because he had eight carries last week.

[PFT]

He had eight carries. I saw, I saw a very funny video. Did you see this? Of Daniel?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

Talking about the. The Ravens offense.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

It looked like he was going to break down and cry because he realized how little the Ravens are using Derrick Henry on first and second down.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[PFT]

He was like, I saw that. I could not believe this. I needed to tell somebody. He was freaking out. Their usage rate is very, very low for Derrick Henry. I think having Cooper Rush simplify this simplifies a little bit. Give Derrick Henry the football.

[Big Cat]

The Ravens are 4 and 10 without Lamar since 2019 is mini hard conversation. Is John Harbaugh a little bit on.

[PFT]

The hot seat, semi limp conversation?

[Big Cat]

No, I don't think he is. Because Ravens fans feel like there's. I've seen a couple people be like, let John Harbaugh go in the front office. Find someone new.

[PFT]

I think you can season season from hell your way out of that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Out of a hot seat conversation. I think.

[Big Cat]

Think.

[PFT]

Is it. Is it Dean Peas that everyone's mad at?

[Big Cat]

I think so, yeah.

[PFT]

Dean Peas, hot seat. But I don't think. No, I don't. I don't think. I know that Ravens fans get upset because when you have a great team and you don't win a Super bowl, then you just start taking it on your coach. Like, there's something wrong with this guy. And yeah, he's had some brain farts in the past, but I don't, I would not, I think that he would be hired like the next day as a head coach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. C.J. stroud had some weird quotes. He said, he said on his explosiveness. Trying to improve his explosiveness. Being 23, I'm not fully in my grown man body all the way yet. I'm still growing.

[PFT]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

And then he said, I feel like I'm getting old. I'm not as quick as I used to be. I was watching my high school stuff a couple days ago and I was like 180 and I was rolling.

[PFT]

So wait, those kind of contradictory, those two things don't make a lot of sense.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

At the same time, he's not, he's not done growing, which means that he's going to get worse.

[Big Cat]

He's going to get fatter and worse.

[PFT]

Yeah. I think that it actually does make sense. He's like, I'm not done growing. I'm going to continue to get worse. That's the only way that quote.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Two quotes make sense together.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know why it's kind of a bummer. If he was, if C.J. stroud was watching his high school highlights, he's probably not in a great mental space.

[PFT]

That was going to be my follow up. Like if you're going home and you're pulling up huddle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

It's like Gordon Bombay learning how to rollerblade again. Being like, I, I now I love huddle hockey.

[Big Cat]

Like, damn, I used to be fucking awesome.

[PFT]

I used to be a beast at this. Look, maybe one day I can be good again too. Have you been watching the, the clips of the Texans offensive line?

[Big Cat]

I have not.

[PFT]

Some of the blocking that they did last week, is it really bad? You know the one sack that they had where CJ Stroud got sacked on like his half step back? Yeah, I got sacked immediately. Go watch that again. Because the, the offensive line just opens up for the pass rusher. CJ Gets sacked after a step and then all five offensive linemen converge on one guy and five linemen are blocking one guy to finish the play. It's maybe the worst clip that I've ever seen for an offensive line.

[Big Cat]

Oof. Oof. Yeah, it's their offensive line. They're, they're a bummer team, but they can win this game. And if they win this game, they're two and three. This, this is, this Is actually. I know we had this last week. The Chiefs and the Ravens. Loser leaves town. This is a true loser leaves town. Because one in four is tons of though. Yeah.

[PFT]

Woody Mark's game.

[Big Cat]

Maybe. Maybe he's electric.

[PFT]

He is electric.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And Joe Mixon, is he. Is he okay? Has anybody seen Joe Mixon? No, we put him on a milk crate.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Titans and Cardinals. Another gross one. I don't really. I don't want to watch it. I'm going to watch it. I think I'd prefer not to.

[PFT]

I think Cam Ward needs more weapons. I think, I think that the Titans should trade for A.J. brown. He's not happy in Philly.

[Max]

Max, there's a 0% chance the Eagles trade A.J. brown. The cap hit is like insane.

[PFT]

I know, but you know, you know.

[Big Cat]

Everyone keeps saying you're a cap expert.

[Max]

I. I just know cap guys that.

[Big Cat]

Say that we should actually make you.

[Max]

But everyone talks about it.

[Big Cat]

We should make you our cap expert.

[Max]

I can't even say words. How could I do math?

[Big Cat]

It would be. Be awesome if we were just like. And we're going to go to our cap expert. Max, break down the contract for us. What. How long would it take you to become a cap expert?

[Max]

I would have to take like a full. Actually, I'm not even going to tell you what I was going to say because you'd make me do it.

[Big Cat]

No, let's. All right. If there's.

[Max]

I would have to take like a full college, like three credit college course to get like the base understanding of the cap.

[Big Cat]

If there's an awl who worked in an NFL, you know, front office or works or has worked in an NFL front office who understands the cap really well. I would love to hire your services to teach Max to become our cap.

[Max]

That would actually be a great pm.

[Big Cat]

It would be a great PM if.

[Max]

A cap guy came in and just did a whiteboard lesson for the cat. We should, we should try and find a cat.

[Big Cat]

Let's do it.

[PFT]

I bet Howie might have a guy that could hook you up.

[Big Cat]

We just need Max the cap expert. Yeah. And we get you like a. We maybe get you like a tuxedo shirt. We go to your tape, you know, or like some kind of like clip on tie.

[Max]

Like that you put on the clip on clip on tie would be good. And, and like a. Oh, I think like a pen.

[PFT]

The clip on tie. And then the, the green translucent visor that accountants were. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's the cap expert look.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's the, the accountant Slash Asian women on a golf course. Yeah, that one.

[PFT]

But, Max, I'm just saying it'd be very funny if, like, how he got back every pick that he traded for A.J. brown from the Titans and just sent him back to Tennessee.

[Max]

Yeah, that would be. That would be how he asked.

[Big Cat]

That would be very. How.

[Max]

It's impossible.

[Big Cat]

Brian Callahan was like, yeah, hey, Cambord's got to probably use his words differently when he. The whole quote of keep it a buck, we're ass.

[PFT]

I disagree.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think he actually was perfect with that. Also kind of. Kind of a weird quote from Kyler Murray. He was asked about the new training facility in 2028, and he said, it's beautiful. I hope I'm here to see it.

[PFT]

Yeah, like. Like, in terms of being alive.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. And that would be very dark.

[PFT]

Yeah, that'd be very dark. If that's the way. Well, he's been going dark recently. He has the Mike Vic jersey.

[Big Cat]

Y.

[PFT]

That's. Yeah. Like, if you do a gender reveal wearing a Ray Carruth shirt.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

Kyler Murray's in a bad place, I think. I think it's just all bad vibes for the car. Even though. Yeah, they. They fought back on Thursday Night Football. They were probably really pumped to have a mini buy and not hang out. Out with each other.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Big time. Big time. This game is. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting. I. I do have my touch. Can I reveal my touchdown pick from. Cause who was out? Hank, you're out.

[Hank]

I lost.

[Big Cat]

It's me, Max and pft. I think I'm gonna go. Trey Benson. Do you guys like that at all?

[Hank]

Did you guys both win?

[Big Cat]

No, I. I've been out. Max and pft. One.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

I did not win, actually.

[Big Cat]

But you had.

[Max]

I had. Devonte Adams scored, but we had the back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

I have a question for you.

[Hank]

But backup didn't score.

[Big Cat]

You want back in, you can go back in.

[PFT]

I was three for four.

[Big Cat]

All right, so you're back in. So it'll be me. It'll be me, pfc. I'm just saying, Hank, the big three will keep our.

[Max]

Yeah, I was two for. I was two for three on the three picks that I had.

[Big Cat]

What's a better percentage?

[Max]

Max and Tucker Kraft also got twice out of not scoring in.

[Hank]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

What's a better percentage, 2 for 3 or 3 for 4?

[Max]

3 for 4 is better.

[PFT]

That was quick.

[Big Cat]

Okay. But he's got it.

[Max]

But what about.

[Big Cat]

This guy's got numbers.

[Max]

What About Tucker Kraft getting twice out of a touchdown in. In Sunday Night Football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What's better, scoring a touchdown or getting twice out of a touchdown?

[Max]

It is fun to talk about getting twice out of scoring a touchdown.

[Big Cat]

Okay, say your friend. I'll answer. No. Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

Scoring is better.

[Big Cat]

Okay. This guy is smart. He's sharp.

[PFT]

But, kid, I have a question for you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Because I've been thinking more about the Cardinals and. And the body language. I think they.

[Doug Peterson]

I.

[Big Cat]

First of all, let me just stop you. I'm sorry.

[PFT]

Yeah, no, it is being like, I'm.

[Big Cat]

I've been thinking about the Cardinals and their body language.

[PFT]

They're the worst body language team in the NFL by far, and they're, I think, leading the way. Kyler Murray, bad body language. Marvin Harrison Jr. Bad body language. Especially on Thursday night after so many of those plays where either Kyler threw the wrong pass or Marvin Harrison Jr. Ran the wrong route. After all those. They go to the sidelines and they don't talk to each other. They just kind of both stare ahead. They do parallel play where they do the same activity.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

But they don't interact with. You would think that at some point you would discuss who did something wrong.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

In that. In that circumstance and try to fix it.

[Big Cat]

Right. Oh, right.

[PFT]

Like if we did a podcast and we both did an ad read at the same time and you did an ad read for better help. I did an ad read for Roman swipes, and we said them at the. At some point, we would be like. Like, hey, here's where we messed up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We should. We should talk about this. Let's look at the tape. Let's get on the same page.

[PFT]

You're analyzing the Louisville Cardinals game? I'm analyzing the Arizona Cardinals game. At the same time.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

At some point, Hank should pull us aside as a producer and be like, you guys need to talk this out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Because there's something going wrong. Why aren't they.

[Big Cat]

These are all fair points you're making.

[PFT]

Why aren't they doing. Why don't you talk about what happened?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT]

Why are you just going to the sidelines and being like, this sucks? Because it does suck.

[Big Cat]

It sucks big time.

[PFT]

They know that it sucks. The next step is figuring out why it sucks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And then after that, it's not having it suck again.

[Big Cat]

It's major suck. And they probably should be like, hey, this sucks. How can we get it to suck less?

[PFT]

I think the answer to that question is maybe playing against the Titans.

[Big Cat]

That would be a good one. Maybe that's all they said. Maybe that's why they, they look like they're on the, the wrong page. Because the entire time through the first four weeks of the season, they're like, just wait. We'll play the Titans eventually. Yeah.

[PFT]

It's like thinking about a vacation you got coming up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're gon this little plus side for anyone who's worried about Marvin Harrison Jr. If you're a Cardinals fan out there, Marvin Harrison Jr. And Marvin Harrison through the exact same part of their career. Marvin Harrison, 1062 yards. This is one year and four games. Marvin Harrison, 1062 yards, nine touchdowns. Marvin Harrison Jr. 1093 yards, 10 touchdowns. Now, you could maybe say that one played in the 90s to start his career.

[PFT]

I would say that.

[Big Cat]

But we could also just pretend that they're exactly the same and he's actually better than his father.

[PFT]

How many drops did Marvin Harrison Sr. Have?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT]

Through those games? I don't know.

[Hank]

Was Peyton Manning his starting quarterback?

[Big Cat]

Not right away.

[Hank]

So that's the other thing that I.

[Big Cat]

Was trying to help. I was trying to do something nice for Cardinals fans. I was trying to do something nice for Cardinals fans. I apologize.

[PFT]

I am on, on tackle breaking watch this week.

[Big Cat]

Week.

[PFT]

I think this is the week that Marvin Harrison Jr. Breaks his first tackle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I'm gonna. I wish we could bet on that. Oh, wait. Trey Benson on ir. So I'm out. Okay.

[PFT]

It's a good thought. Great thought.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I forgot. Or yesterday. I think that should just eliminate me. And you guys should just run it back to three of you. I mean, you can't, you can't say someone.

[Max]

No, no, no.

[Big Cat]

You can't be like, I like the touchdown guy and he went on IR yesterday. But you can't do that.

[PFT]

The cat's kind of hot right now.

[Big Cat]

I am.

[Max]

You gotta be in it.

[PFT]

You're the hottest you've ever been.

[Max]

I'm out. I'm out.

[Big Cat]

I'll find a new one. I'll find a new one.

[PFT]

Did you know that the Titans have been outscored 120 to 51 this year? And that every week they get beat by more and more points?

[Big Cat]

And it always. And it goes the same way where it's like the game starts and they actually are in it a little bit, and then they just completely fall apart?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Bucks at Seahawks. This is a good game. This is also an awesome, awesome uniform matchup. So we got the bucks, Seahawks, Seahawks, minus three and a half over. Under 44 and a half. The Seahawks are wearing their throwbacks. The Bucks are wearing their white cream schools. Yeah. This rocks.

[PFT]

Yes. I'm very excited, but we're running into a conflict. Is the NFL truly king?

[Big Cat]

Why?

[PFT]

Because we got a conflict with. With potentially a baseball game.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the Mariners.

[PFT]

Yeah. Yeah. It'd be game two.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

And so they might delay the game. It might not start at what? That would be a 3pm Central Time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, 3pm Central Time. I believe it is 1pm Local, so we might.

[PFT]

Yeah, we might not get any break at all between the end of the afternoon games and Sunday Night Football. It might just go straight through.

[Big Cat]

Through. Okay. Oh, they're gonna move the kickoff time.

[PFT]

They might move the kickoff time because of the.

[Big Cat]

A little later.

[PFT]

Because the traffic. Yeah, I think they'd move it late. I think they would delay it.

[Big Cat]

They should just delay the baseball. Yeah, that would make more sense.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Baseball should just play at night.

[PFT]

Yeah, Agreed.

[Big Cat]

Come on, Baseball.

[PFT]

I thought. Yeah, I thought mlb.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

NFL should be like, hey, play your game at night, buddy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is a homecoming.

[Max]

The baseball is playing at night.

[Big Cat]

Oh, they are.

[Max]

Eight o'.

[Big Cat]

Clock.

[Max]

Eight o' clock Eastern. Oh, what would that be?

[Big Cat]

Eight o' clock Eastern. Seven o'. Clock. Yeah. So that will be right when the game. The Seahawks game is ending like an hour later. The Mariners game will start.

[PFT]

But I think that's why they're thinking about delaying it.

[Max]

Got it.

[Big Cat]

Because of the traffic or maybe moving it up.

[PFT]

I don't think you can move it up. Can you?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Figured out baseball.

[Hank]

It's your still just delay the baseball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's your job, baseball, to figure it out. We don't move NFL games.

[PFT]

That's true. I like the Seahawks.

[Doug Peterson]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

A book, A homecoming. He's from the Seattle area.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Mom rented out a large section. That's important also. Very funny exchange. In media this week, a reporter asked Baker Mayfield if he reminisces at all with Sam Darnold about the good old days in Carolina. And he replied, reminisce about what days? And the reporter said, the good old days in Carolina. And he just said, oh, nope, we don't.

[PFT]

They're gonna be doing the Paul Rudd thing. Look at us.

[Big Cat]

Who would have thought? Yeah. Hey, this is actually the PMT Bowl.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We have the clip from five years ago where we both. I think you were Baker. I was. Sam Darnold was like. Like, we're not done believing in these guys.

[PFT]

I was never done believing in Baker.

[Big Cat]

No, I thought that.

[PFT]

I thought the Browns were insane to think about getting rid of Baker.

[Big Cat]

What are you going to say, Max?

[Max]

I'm still thinking about the baseball football thing. I. I think I found a solution.

[Big Cat]

You're our capologist, not our time. No, no, no, no.

[Max]

This is.

[Big Cat]

This is.

[Max]

This is. I think you're going to like this idea, Max.

[PFT]

In the sky, the traffic chop.

[Max]

I think this is a great idea. I think it's a great idea. Every Seattle should sell dual tickets.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Max]

So you buy a ticket and it gets you access to the Seahawks. Wait, is there stadiums close to each other?

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah.

[Max]

No. But then that takes away the traffic because everyone is there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

And they go to the Seahawks game, and then you just go to the baseball game, and you just have the greatest day ever.

[PFT]

As a Seattle sports fan, we're thinking about mega ticket.

[Max]

Mega ticket. It's got to be the mega ticket.

[Big Cat]

They gotta make it oversized. Yeah.

[Hank]

What about the capacity, though?

[Max]

Make it work. Standing room only.

[PFT]

Make it work.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Standing room only.

[Big Cat]

Listen, we're the ideas guys, not the execution guys.

[Max]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Mega ticket.

[Max]

Make it work. Mega ticket.

[PFT]

What's the. Are the Huskies playing at home on Saturday?

[Big Cat]

I know. They're actually playing in Maryland.

[PFT]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Washington AD complained about scheduling and how it's unfair for Washington. After two years ago, Washington begged to be in the Big Ten classic.

[PFT]

Big Ten matchup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Washington versus Maryland.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Lions at Bengals. Bengals are 10 and a half point underdogs and the over under is 44 and a half. Boys, this is actually. I. I was kind of shocked. Want to feel old. This is Jared Goff's 70th start for the Lions. He had 69 starts for the Rams. He's now more a Lion than a race.

[PFT]

That's interesting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That cool?

[PFT]

That is very cool. Yeah, he's been great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Also, the Lions have been great against the spread especially, which is. I saw this and it's shocking. The Lions in the last 20 games are 14 and 5 and 1 against the spread. The Lions in the last 29 games are 21, 7 and 1 against the spread. The lions in the last 52 games are 38, 13 and 1 against the spread. Why are we not just betting the Lions every week?

[PFT]

Yeah, we should do that.

[Big Cat]

That's an incredible return on investment.

[PFT]

Bet the Lions.

[Big Cat]

Just bet them. Doesn't matter. The spread.

[PFT]

Fade. The Titans. Yeah, the Lions. You'd be making a good amount of money.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[PFT]

Yeah, I. I've got a. A crazy stat about the Lions.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

So going into the season, the big things that we talked about were they're losing their coordinators. How's that going to work out for them? And then the offensive line because they lost starters on the offensive line that have been dominant.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

In years past. So the Detroit Lions offensive line is the first offensive line since. Since sacks were first recorded.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

All the way back in 1982 to not give up a sack in three straight games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Pretty impressive.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're awesome.

[PFT]

They're very good.

[Big Cat]

They're very, very good. And the Bengals are a bummer.

[PFT]

Big time.

[Big Cat]

This is. Yeah, we need. The league has to step in about the quarterback situation because I know that we. We had the. Was it like two years ago, three years ago where we had a bunch of. Of backup quarterbacks and they're like, you know what? We'll add an emergency quarterback. Teams can carry three.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Zach Taylor refusing to look for another quarterback. Like just Jamis.

[PFT]

I mean, it's not Zach Taylor. I know it's not. That's why we need to go fund.

[Big Cat]

Me and we like billionaires, but he's got to play better.

[PFT]

Listen, billionaires need charity too.

[Big Cat]

Did you see? I saw a screenshot. Screenshot season for Bengals fans. It was brutal. It was a screenshot of a three man rush from the Broncos on Monday Night Football where both tackles got beat. So Jake Browning's holding the ball, both edge rushers are about to sack him. And then the nose tackle has four people blocking him. Yeah, that's it right there.

[PFT]

Yeah, look at that.

[Big Cat]

That's brutal. That nose tackle's not going anywhere, though. They got him fucking wrapped up. Look at that. Yeah. Four on one.

[PFT]

I do think to myself, like, it doesn't matter who you put back there at quarterback right now.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yeah.

[PFT]

But Joe Burrow made it look serviceable.

[Big Cat]

He did.

[PFT]

He made it look. Okay.

[Big Cat]

This is an unbelievable screenshot. I mean, but hey, if you want to look at positives, they have that defensive tackle in a torture chain.

[PFT]

He's locked up.

[Big Cat]

He's so locked up.

[PFT]

Max, pull up the. Pull up that Titans Texan sack. We can have a screenshot off because I think that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're talking about the Jeffrey Simmons stack. Yeah, Zach the fat. The sack of the year nominee.

[PFT]

Yeah, they're both.

[Big Cat]

Both.

[PFT]

They're both really, really bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I think this is it. Watch the Texans offensive line on this.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Watching this is us breaking down film.

[PFT]

Yeah. Oh, they just let it run.

[Big Cat]

They. And. Oh, yeah, they got six guys.

[PFT]

No, they got five. Yeah. They got five guys on number 97. That guy. I don't know. I could. I could see that guy wiggling his way out.

[Big Cat]

Out.

[PFT]

I think the Bengals had better grouping with their four.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like, had that one dude surrounded.

[Big Cat]

I like these sacks because, you know, there's been a. And I. I believe it because, I don't know football at this high level. There's been a lot of discourse about how a lot of sacks are the quarterback's fault. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[PFT]

Like, it's.

[Big Cat]

It's them holding on to the ball or running in a direction that the protection isn't. And there's been a lot of, like, talk about, hey, you can't just say every sack is an offensive line. Fault. Fault. These ones are just classic.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Classic.

[PFT]

Classic. It's good to know that sometimes it's like, yeah, the O line sucks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The OI just doesn't know what they're doing. Okay, we have.

[PFT]

Would it be funny, speaking of the A.J. brown trade scenarios.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

A.J. brown trade to the Bengals would be very funny. It would be like the Bengals going all in on. On the meme of, like, Burrow. Anyone? Jamar Chase or Burrow. Penae Sewell? Anyone?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

That he's thrown to where it's just. Just anyone as the quarterback. Anyone as the offensive line and then wide receivers. Jamar Chase and A.J. brown.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Just like, go all in. If you have great enough wide receivers, you can win everything.

[Big Cat]

Nothing else matters.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. Last afternoon game commanders at chargers. Chargers are two and a half point favorites over under 47 and a half. Jaden Daniels. Back, back, back, back. How excited are you?

[PFT]

Very excited. This is a. A, a must win decisively game.

[Big Cat]

Whoa.

[PFT]

I think that. I think we can win this game.

[Big Cat]

Decisively, and you must do it.

[PFT]

I mean, we must do it to show that spread. What's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah, maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Two and a half point dogs. If you think you're going to win.

[PFT]

Money line.

[Max]

But that. That's not deci. You said decisively.

[PFT]

You said alt spread. Money line would be an alt spread.

[Big Cat]

No, money line's money line.

[Max]

Money line. No, I'm saying, like, charge.

[Big Cat]

Minus six and a half. Half.

[PFT]

Commander's my six and a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you should take that.

[PFT]

I'm in. I'm in on it.

[Big Cat]

I think I have to ride.

[PFT]

I think we had a really, really bad week of defense last week. We had to do something different. I trust in Dan Quinn. Dan's going to get it figured out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. I think it's gonna it's gonna be interesting because you guys had a bad week of defense stopping the run, and the Chargers had a bad week of offense having any type of balance in terms of running the football.

[PFT]

And they've got. Got Joe Alt. He's out.

[Big Cat]

Yep. So. But it feels like the Chargers are going to try to establish a run more with a banged up offensive line against the commander's defense that has to figure out if they can stop the run.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So interesting matchup there.

[PFT]

Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Weakness versus maybe weakness.

[Big Cat]

Right. But. So how are you feeling? So Terry McLaurin out.

[PFT]

Out. I haven't heard anything to the contrary, so I'm assuming he's going to be out this week.

[Big Cat]

Tebow Samuel didn't practice.

[PFT]

He's going to be fine.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Noah Brown.

[PFT]

I'm not worried about Debo. I. I don't know that Noah Brown still plays football anymore.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

He just kind of always hurt. But Jalen Lane looks pretty good then. Obviously the thing everyone's talking about, the unlocking of Luke McAffrey, that's going to continue. He's been fully unlocked. This is going to be another Luke game.

[Hank]

That jersey is sick, by the way.

[PFT]

Thank you. Thank you. It is nice. Zach was just saying, like the arctic camo.

[Big Cat]

Fantastic digital camo on that jersey. Pft.

[PFT]

I appreciate that.

[Big Cat]

It is incredible. Incredible jersey.

[PFT]

I might be the only person on earth who will ever own this jersey.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Because he changed. He changed his number, so now he's 11. Oh, he was 12. You know what if I.

[Doug Peterson]

If.

[PFT]

If Luke goes off this weekend, like I think he's about to go off, I might just send this jersey the hall of fame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like three catches. 40, 42 yards.

[PFT]

That sounds like touchdown.

[Big Cat]

Sounds like he's hating.

[PFT]

He's been. Yeah. No, you're on the list. You're on the list.

[Hank]

What is.

[PFT]

Fine, you're on the. You're on the list.

[Big Cat]

The Luke McCaffrey hate list.

[Hank]

No, what does Luke McCaffrey going off look like, realistically?

[PFT]

Well, he had a touchdown last week.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

No, give me a. I'm saying give me A Luke. Luke McCaffrey went off stat sheet.

[PFT]

Okay. Luke McCaffrey went off on kick returns. He broke one, like, 45 yards. Also.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[PFT]

Sneaky Commanders have been, like, the best kickoff coverage and kickoff return team in the league. They've been awesome at it.

[Hank]

Luke, Nick below.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's true. I'd Say he breaks one for 45 yards.

[Big Cat]

How about that?

[PFT]

Another for 30.

[Big Cat]

How about that?

[PFT]

Flips the Field position on the kickoff.

[Big Cat]

You like this.

[PFT]

And then he catches. Has four passes, 73 yards.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

A touchdown. And has a key block on another touchdown.

[Hank]

Yeah, that would be.

[PFT]

That's.

[Hank]

That's a career day.

[PFT]

Key block. Luke's about to go off.

[Big Cat]

The last time these guys faced off, remember, it was Oregon and Justin Herbert going into the desert and their national title aspirations blew up in their face. Jaden Daniels and the Arizona State Sun Devils beat the Oregon Ducks 3128. Oregon was ranked. Ranked 6.

[Hank]

Jay and Daniels. I saw the highlight. Someone. Someone posted like the highlights of that game. And. And it was just Jaden throwing balls.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Yeah. 400 yards passing. And the. The Arizona State was five and five going to that game. The. The Ducks were nine and one. So. Yeah.

[PFT]

Can I get into trust tree with you guys?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Okay. So no one's allowed to clip this. No one's allowed to transcribe it whatsoever. I. I need to see some downfield passing from Jaden because that's what's. That's what's missing. Last year, he was, like, amazing at hitting Terry McLaren in stride. You were able to take the top off the defense and have these big explosive plays. We haven't seen any of that this year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Which is unfortunate if the offense continues to struggle in that element. I. I was thinking about the S word.

[Big Cat]

Slum slump.

[Hank]

Soup.

[PFT]

I'm not going to say which S word.

[Hank]

I was.

[Big Cat]

Sophomore.

[PFT]

It's a double S word.

[Big Cat]

Sophomore slump.

[PFT]

I don't.

[Hank]

Super.

[PFT]

Jaden's. He's really good. Jaden's awesome. He's gonna be fine. I would just. I would start to worry if we're not able to hit some big shots.

[Big Cat]

I feel like sophomore slump, you got to give. It's got to be like halfway through the season.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But I'm, you know, officially declare sophomore slump.

[PFT]

It's not Virginia.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[PFT]

He's been hurt the last two weeks. He played the packers defense, which was awesome. Awesome. On that Thursday night. He did good against the. The Giants in week one. So there's a very small sample size. I. I would just like to see something downfield.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Because like dinking and dunking your way down the field. It can work. But then some drives stall out. I would like to see the offense look a little bit closer to what it was last year when every time it was third down or fourth when we didn't punt. We didn't punt for, like, two games last year.

[Big Cat]

Can I give. Can I give you some potential copium that you could have for later put in your back pocket.

[PFT]

I'm not worried for the record.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[PFT]

And this was trust.

[Big Cat]

I know. But I'm giving you some potential coping. It could you just blame Cliff Kingsbury.

[PFT]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

Because he does. He. He is really good at the beginning and then fades.

[PFT]

Yeah, but that didn't. That didn't happen last year.

[Big Cat]

Right, but that was the whole. All of last year was the beginning.

[PFT]

Yeah. Okay.

[Big Cat]

So now people have figured it out.

[PFT]

This is year two is actually the new October.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I'm just giving again. You don't have to do this, but like did. This is a conversation for farther down the line. But if you need to, you could just hit the Cliff Kingsbury sucks button.

[PFT]

Okay. I can do that. I can hit that button for sure. Yeah. I. I like the running game. We're running the ball really well. Let's continue to do that. But I would like to see some. Some deep shots that connect. That would. That would get me back to having a full boner.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Last game, Patriots at bills.

[PFT]

Hank.

[Big Cat]

Bills minus eight and a half over. Under is fifth 49 and a half. Right now the Bills are wearing their all whites. White out. We are okay. Josh Allen's 10 and 2 on Sunday night Football. How are you feeling, Hank?

[Hank]

I'm excited. I'm really excited. I think this game is going to be a shootout. I think it's going to, you know, Patriots are going to have to get a little bit lucky, but it's going to be a good test. I also think this is, you know, we're thinking playoffs. We're thinking about making a run, which we are. This is a team you're going to have to beat in the playoffs. So even if we don't win, if we can keep it close and get a taste of like we should have won and be able to use that for the rest of the season so that when we play them in the playoffs, we can get revenge. Like, that's okay too.

[Big Cat]

So it's just got to keep it clue.

[Hank]

A must cover. Ideally one score. Yeah.

[PFT]

But wait, I thought earlier in the week you were more optimistic.

[Hank]

I am optimistic no matter what. But I'm already like pretty. A loss, it's not a must. Win. A loss is a loss is not going to derail the season. A blowout might. I'll say that a blowout could derail the season. But we just need a taste.

[Big Cat]

You need a taste of competing with the Bills. Yeah.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Halftime. Halftime lead Better.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[PFT]

Because I Think we gotta be.

[Hank]

We gotta be within one score in the fourth quarter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

This is the week for Drake.

[Hank]

I agree. I mean, every week so far has been the week. Like.

[PFT]

No, no. This is sophomore.

[Hank]

The double S word you just talked about. Jaden has been nowhere even close with Drake May.

[PFT]

So this.

[Hank]

This week, he's had four weeks of it being the week.

[PFT]

I think this is the week that. That Drake May finally beats a team that's above.500.

[Big Cat]

I think.

[PFT]

I think this is the week that it happens. Hank, I'm. I'm pulling for you.

[Big Cat]

I knew it was coming.

[Doug Peterson]

That was good.

[Big Cat]

That was good. That was good.

[PFT]

There's a lot of, like, Drake Mays looked promising.

[Big Cat]

I'm just waiting for it. He delivered.

[PFT]

He's been building up and he's done a great job getting to this place. I think he's ready. He's put in the prep. This is the week where Drake May beats a winning team.

[Big Cat]

You knew it was coming. I didn't know. I didn't know that stat.

[PFT]

Gotta check that off the list. And this is a big one to check off.

[Big Cat]

What a payoff. You do.

[Max]

Great delivery. Great delivery.

[Big Cat]

Hank is. Now he's googling. He's Googling. Scrambling.

[PFT]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

It also didn't hit Hank right away.

[PFT]

Yeah, took.

[Big Cat]

Took a second.

[Max]

Well, he thought. He thought he was actually doing a compliment.

[PFT]

Yeah, he actually.

[Max]

He thought. He actually believed that Drake May's gonna win.

[PFT]

I double flipped him at first. He was like, he's gonna insult me. And then when I said he's like, oh, he's complimenting me. And then afterwards he's like, oh, I got insulted.

[Hank]

Oh, sorry. That was good. That was good.

[Big Cat]

Are you looking it up? What have you found? What have you found?

[Hank]

Doing some research.

[PFT]

Share with the class. What teams does Drake May beaten?

[Hank]

I'm. I'm doing some research.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Share with. Yeah, share with us. Dolphins this year.

[PFT]

Panther Titans.

[Big Cat]

Titans last year.

[Hank]

No, we lost the Titans last year.

[PFT]

Oh, no. They have a winning record too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Who'd you beat last year?

[Max]

Memes. The same back here. He also has an anti Patriot stat.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Max]

But he doesn't want to share with the class.

[Big Cat]

Why Memes? Not sure.

[Hank]

What about when we beat the Bills last year?

[Big Cat]

Year. What?

[Hank]

You beat the Bills last year?

[Big Cat]

Joe Milton beat the Bills.

[PFT]

Oh, Joe Milton.

[Big Cat]

That was Joe. No. Wow. Oh, no, Hank, that's.

[PFT]

That's even better than.

[Max]

That's a double winner for pmt.

[PFT]

And then they ran him out of town.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, Hank.

[Hank]

Tough.

[Big Cat]

That's a tough Tough double trap. Yeah, I agree.

[Hank]

I agree with pft. This is the week.

[PFT]

It's gotta be.

[Hank]

Gotta be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because otherwise Joe Milton threw for 241 yards against the Bills last year.

[PFT]

Because, Hank, if he doesn't, then after this week, people are going to start to have that conversation. Bring that stat up. They haven't done it yet. I haven't heard anybody mention that stat. But if he loses this weekend, then we're going to look at the graphs and people.

[Hank]

Oh, that was the game. We were supposed to be good teams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Schedule from last year.

[Hank]

No, that's fine. I don't. Listen, you. You can only play the teams that are in front of you.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah. No, you're right. But you can win those games.

[Max]

Yeah, that was bad.

[Big Cat]

That was bad. Come back.

[Max]

It's not like he hasn't made teams above five.

[PFT]

He's done a great job of playing the games that are in front of him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. When you line him up, he's playing.

[Hank]

Listen, I agree with pft. This week is the week.

[PFT]

Are you concerned that people will start talking about that after this weekend? Not yet, but after Sunday or after.

[Big Cat]

The show comes out?

[Hank]

No, I'm not concerned about it. I mean, the.

[PFT]

Because I think this is the week.

[Hank]

What are the Steelers? Three and one, two and two.

[Big Cat]

The Steelers are three and one. Okay.

[Hank]

So that would be the only team that we could have even.

[Big Cat]

Well, last year, too.

[Hank]

Yeah, last year. But he was a rookie. But yeah, listen, I'm not worried about that. This is a passing the torch game. I think the Patriots are going to win. I think they're going to keep it competitive. I think it's going to be a shootout. Bills have better players. They've been doing it longer, but I think it's going to be an exciting Sunday night. I love the Patriots team. Total over. I love the regular over same.

[PFT]

Do you love the Bills jerseys?

[Big Cat]

The whiteout? Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, the Whiteouts. I'm. Hopefully they can continue to lose while I watch them.

[PFT]

Yeah. Home team is Owen 1 and whiteout.

[Hank]

Games that Hank has watched in the last one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Fantasy minute time with Jerry o'. Connell. So I, as tradition every single week, I make sure I do not watch it before we go live here so we can all experience Jerry at the same time. I'm looking at the picture of him right now. He looks incredible. Jerry, new look. New look. He's got a goatee, slick back hair. Yeah.

[PFT]

He's got the shades. He's. He's wearing a swimsuit in the Pool. I wonder if Rebecca's going to be with him in the pool.

[Big Cat]

Mm, that's interesting.

[PFT]

It is interesting.

[Big Cat]

That's interesting. All right, so Jerry said that we have to play the last 14 seconds, but it's a minute and 14. I said, Jerry, you know the rules. It's one minute long. We play one minute, and that's all you get. So we're going to have to cut out some point in the middle.

[PFT]

I vote that we stop 46 to one minute.

[Big Cat]

Well, here's what Jerry has countered with. He said that he would like to basically loan 14 seconds from next week's.

[PFT]

I don't know.

[Hank]

You need a minute, then he's just doing less work.

[Big Cat]

He said he wants to do. He will. He promises that next week he will only give us 46 seconds from this week.

[PFT]

There's 0, 0 chance that he comes in at 46 seconds next week.

[Hank]

He's going to end up just leveraging everything to one second.

[Big Cat]

All right? You guys are tougher parents than I am. All right, so let's play it. I say we play it and stop it. When we think we can start cutting. Well, it's knowing we have to say.

[PFT]

It seems like the last 14 seconds are important. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

Right. So I'm saying, like, let's. Let's watch. And then maybe when. When we feel like, all right, we, like, we. We know Jerry very.

[Hank]

You got to assume he's wasting at least 10 seconds off the top.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

But, yeah, I think just start at 14 seconds. That's what I was going to say. But sometimes it's definitely some at the.

[Hank]

Hey, guys, what's up, Mr. Bang Bang I in a pool, blah, blah, blah.

[PFT]

Yeah, you got to have the exposition at the start. You do. And also, we've wasted probably, like, seven minutes talking about what part of his minute we're going to.

[Big Cat]

You know what? That doesn't matter.

[PFT]

It's not.

[Big Cat]

Waste our time.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so we're. Let's play it, and let's all just agree to stop it, and then we'll cut out 14 seconds.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

Okay, who's going to be the one to click stop?

[Big Cat]

I'll say stop.

[Max]

Okay. Okay, Everyone ready?

[Big Cat]

Yes. Hey, what's up? Oh, sorry. Start the music memes. Start the music means go. Hey, what's up, Fantasy boys here? Hope everybody got Jackson Dot this week. Got to time myself. Yeah. Also pick up Harry Fanon.

[Max]

I think we stopping now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, go Stop hanky. All right. Oh, wait, I want to hear what.

[PFT]

You said that was a fake.

[Big Cat]

Stop. He fanning. He blew it. Actually. Classic Harold Fanon didn't blow it. Saw a picture of Tiffany Gomez. She went to the cowboys game.

[Doug Peterson]

Beautiful young lady.

[Big Cat]

Who else? Stop.

[PFT]

All right, this next 14 seconds is gonna be like he's gonna say two players names and then he's gonna be Mr. Bing Bong.

[Big Cat]

All right, so go to 46 seconds. We're cutting out 32 to 46. Okay. All right, here we go.

[PFT]

All right, we're back.

[Big Cat]

Is everyone's dropping them because it's a bye week and they're the number one defense. But yeah, that's about it. That's all I got. Still got a couple seconds. Congratulations, big cat, on winning the 50 50. Go buy the rights to Electric Avenue. Do something good with that money. You can stop gambling now. I'll call 1-800-GAMBLER. If you got a problem, you got a problem. 1-800-G GAMBLER.

[PFT]

All right.

[Big Cat]

All right. So that was the last 14 seconds you wanted.

[PFT]

So what did we learn this week? Jackson dart is the quarterback of the giants.

[Big Cat]

Yep. There's a defense. You should sit.

[PFT]

Fannin did not blow it. Y but hanky did.

[Big Cat]

Tiffany Gomez at the Cowboys. We need to buy electric ass.

[PFT]

There we go.

[Big Cat]

All right, thank you, Jerry. Great fantasy minute. And now let's do our TD parlay and our picks. So let's start with our TD parlay. I'm out. Trey Benson.

[Max]

No, you're in. You're in.

[Big Cat]

I'm in.

[Max]

You're in.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

All right, Hank, I'm going with Amun Ra St. Brown.

[Big Cat]

Amun Ra St. Brown. 105 afternoon games. Amon Ra St. Brown. Brown. Okay.

[PFT]

PFT, I'm going to go. I'm not seeing his name up here.

[Big Cat]

Amon Ra is Hank's pick.

[PFT]

I'm not seeing my guys. I'm not seeing any. Any touchdowns listed for the Commander's Chargers game right now. They must have taken that off the board for a second because I was going to say Bill.

[Big Cat]

And what about Luke McCaffrey?

[PFT]

I was going to say Bill. Bill Crosky, Merritt.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

Do you see that?

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT]

By the way, Shane and I have a bet going for this game. A little PMT Mayors bet. Yeah, it's for the football. Oh, it's for the football.

[Big Cat]

I also. Update. Update on the football. Update on the football. Had a little toss with Shane. That's a really good football.

[PFT]

It's a great.

[Big Cat]

Like, the whole time I was playing toss with them, I was just like, I get it. I get why you're so defensive of this football. And almost cried when PFT took it.

[PFT]

Yeah. And actually did cry. Yeah. So, Max, why were you shaking your head?

[Max]

No, I'm shaking my head that I'm not seeing this either.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think it's probably because of they don't know the official status of Jaden.

[PFT]

No, I think they said Jaden was going to.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Yeah, he's back.

[Big Cat]

All right, so we'll. You want to throw Bill in there?

[PFT]

I want to throw Bill in there. Yeah. All right.

[Big Cat]

I'll go homecoming. Abuka. Okay, so those are our TD parlay. Bet it with us. Let's do our picks. Our picks. We are right now. Let's see. Standings. We have. I have five points. Zach. Or. Sorry, Memes and I are in. In first with five points. Zach. Hank in second with Four points max and PFT with three points. Nice. Two zero week. Pft.

[PFT]

I love it. We're stacking wins.

[Big Cat]

You're back. All right, who goes first? Pft. You're first.

[PFT]

Okay. I am going to go. There's a lot of pressure going first.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, a lot of pressure. Go. You want to pass?

[PFT]

No, I'm going to go with the under and titans cardinals 42 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I'm going over patriots bills 49 and a half.

[Hank]

I'm going to take the Lunder.

[Big Cat]

Good one.

[Hank]

It is 36 and a half or 43 and a.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Yeah, 36 and a half. Minnesota Vikings, Cleveland Browns.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Me Chargers minus two and a half. All right. I have a feeling that. What'd you say if the.

[Hank]

I meant I I. When I put. When I. When we do these. I always bet my picks names.

[Big Cat]

It's not a slight. I have a feeling.

[PFT]

No, it's not a slight. I'm gonna ask. Did you see Jaden's press conference this week and is that why.

[Big Cat]

No. The Chargers are 3131 against the spread. And I learned from last year when Harbaugh said don't bet against us just to bet him.

[PFT]

Nothing to do with Jaden Daniels taunting the Met.

[Big Cat]

No memes.

[PFT]

Maybe a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Follow up question. If the Bears weren't on a buy, would your pick be whoever the Bears are playing now? Stick with my plan. Okay. Okay.

[PFT]

Like 90% because Jaden taunt of the Mets.

[Big Cat]

No, he was struggling to even talk about the Mets last night.

[Hank]

Oh, Shane love each other too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

It's true.

[Big Cat]

All right. Max.

[Max]

Cowboys jets over 47 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay. Zach doubled it up. Has the in the giant Saints game. Has the Giants plus one and have been taken. No, I would like to take that if that's okay. Yep. And then I would also like to take the over in the Bills Patriots game if that's still available. I took it. That's gone. Yep. I thought that one was gone. I wasn't sure. That's why I had it second. Yep.

[PFT]

And then.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I will then take the. Have the adjustment taken. Plus two and a half. You just took, right? Yep. What did you just say?

[Max]

No, no, he just took the job.

[Big Cat]

No, wait. Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

You need a total.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I'm an idiot. You're good. You're good. You're good. I need a total here. Yeah. So I can't take tonight's game. Yep. Broncos Eagles over 43 and a half available. Yes. Yep.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Stamp it. There it is.

[Max]

Stamp it.

[Big Cat]

He loves that pick. He loves that pick.

[Max]

Everyone should take that pick. It's a good pick. I'm going to get gross. I'm going to take Panthers plus one and a half.

[Big Cat]

Ooh, I like it. I'm going to stick with that game. Panthers Dolphins Open over 45 and a half.

[Hank]

I'm gonna take the New England Patriots plus eight and a half.

[Big Cat]

I am going yeah. I am going to take the New York jets plus two and a half.

[PFT]

Love that, love that QB one. I can I take the Patriots money line.

[Big Cat]

I guess you don't get extra points though. So. No.

[PFT]

Is that, that's different from Hank's pick.

[Big Cat]

It is different. If you.

[Max]

I'm willing to allow it. If but it doesn't add.

[Big Cat]

It accounts as one. Yeah. Yes.

[Max]

It's one.

[Big Cat]

This it'd be stupid to do but.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's gotta be. But this has got to be the week.

[Max]

I'm willing to allow it if you want.

[PFT]

At some point Drake May's got to do it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I'm willing to allow it.

[Big Cat]

So you're gonna allow it?

[PFT]

I'm gonna go Patriots money line.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Let's go.

[Big Cat]

Oh man, I love that like this, this new dynamic. Drake May playing well. PFD now feels a little bit of what I felt for all of last year. It's just been Drake May outplays Jaden Daniels. It's like why didn't the Commanders take Drake May?

[PFT]

The absence of of Jaden has left a gaping hole in my life.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you've gotten deep in his stats.

[PFT]

I get, I get bummed out.

[Doug Peterson]

I filled it with hate.

[PFT]

I know I get bummed out on Sundays and I like watching the Commanders play. I, they love the team. I, I hope the best for them. But it, there's something just about a weekend when Jane started where it's, it gets me out of bed. Breakfast tastes great. I wake up bright eyed, bushy tailed, ready to go. You don't get that with Marcus Mariota.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And I'm just excited to feel that again. That's facts.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's get to our interview. We've got super bowl winning head coach in studio, Doug Peterson.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is super bowl winning head coach and super bowl champion as a player, Doug Peterson in studio. Coach, we're excited to have you here. Want to talk some football? How? Let's start with this. You're taking a year off. You're watching football on the couch. How has it been seeing it from afar? After how many years was it in a row that you were either playing or part of a coaching staff in the NFL?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, it's been, it's been a while. I think, I think I figured it up to be about 28 years.

[Big Cat]

Wow. Total.

[Doug Peterson]

I will say this, there was a break in 21 when I left the Eagles, but 28 years total. So it's been a while since I've had like a significant break from, you know, from the game of football, which I, which I love. It's been good. It's a 30,000 foot perspective. Yeah, you know, it's, it's seeing things with calmer eyes. It's been able to watch, you know, more games, you know, to, to see it from a, from a TV or maybe even a fan perspective. But it's hard for me to watch it as a fan. I still watch it as a coach. And my eyes are still glued onto the defense. My. My eyes go to the offensive formation. But it's been. It's been exciting for me to be able to just sit back and relax and watch these games.

[PFT]

Yeah, you still love football. Like, when you're watching, you're like, I love this.

[Doug Peterson]

You miss. I do. I love football. I miss the competition. I missed game day. I miss being with the guys on the sideline, you know, feeling the. The heat, feeling that. Those tense moments, you know, like, you know, just watching the. The Cowboys, packers the other night, it's coming down to overtime and, you know, really the end of the game, you know, we. Dallas needed a score to. To tie and vice versa. And then you get into overtime. Just that kind of stuff, that adrenaline kind of pumping that you feel on the sideline, those are the. Those are the things I really miss.

[PFT]

We've been talking a lot about the. The end of game situations and how a lot of coaches are hiring guys that are just specialized and telling them, okay, clock management. Here's when you use your timeouts, that type of stuff, like, here's where you go for it, having, like that analytical voice or whatever you want to call it, that voice in your ear. Did you ever use somebody like that, or was that just all in your brain?

[Doug Peterson]

No, no. I definitely had had a John Ferrari in. In Philadelphia and Zach Beastline in, in Jacksonville, and these two guys really are lifesavers on game day. And it's a lot of different scenarios. Their. Their job during the week is obviously to. To. To help the head coach make decisions on game day based on, you know, based on rules, you know, that come up, based on challenges, based on timeouts, based on all the. All the things that get teams beat, which to me is the end of the half and end of the game. Yeah, right. And not making good decisions. So when I was in Philadelphia, John. John was that voice of reason for me, you know, in. In the press box and. And Zach was that guy for me in Jacksonville, and. And again, as good as gold. They were on point, and it really took a lot of the guesswork out of it for me and just say, hey, throw the challenge flag. Call a timeout here. Don't, you know, don't call a timeout here. Let's let the clock run, things like that. Those guys were good as gold.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Do you laugh? You. You. You know, you have a long history with Andy Reid. He was your coach as a player, and then you were. You were on his coaching staffs. Do you laugh when people are like, oh, the Chiefs are in trouble. And you're like, Andy's going to be fine. Like there. Do you talk to him at all? And you're like, this is. People freak out and they think like, oh, man, you know, the sky is falling after a couple weeks. Like, but you know him so well. Like, he. I would assume he's unflappable in these moments.

[Doug Peterson]

He's the best in these moments. And I do chuckle when I. When I hear things, whether it's through the media or. Or, you know, friends that talk about, you know, the Chiefs are done. The Chiefs, maybe they've. They've. Their run is over. You know, Pat Mahomes is not the same. Kelsey's not the same. Coach Reed, not the same. I just have to sit and chuckle because the history of Andy Reid, if you go back and just look at his teams, they always kind of start slow but finish extremely fast and very powerful. And. And they're just. I think last week kind of caught their stride just a little bit. By no means are they there yet.

[Big Cat]

Yet.

[Doug Peterson]

We were only four weeks in and. But yeah, I just. I just sit back and. And. And just kind of go. I. I just wish they knew who Andy Reid is, who Andy Reid was as a coach, and I think they'd have a better picture.

[Big Cat]

Was there ever a time when you were coaching with Andy Reid where you had to be like, hey, should we think about running the ball a little bit?

[Doug Peterson]

That's the thing that. That really is interesting because Andy does run the football a lot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But there's been times when he's.

[Doug Peterson]

He's been criticized for throwing it a little bit too much. Yeah, I would never say that. I would never, you know, when I was. When I was working for him. But, you know, I think every play caller gets to. Gets to a point in their. In their career where they kind of need that voice of reason in their, you know, in their head, saying, hey, Coach, dial up a few more runs. Let's take a little pressure off our quarterback right now. Let's try to help our football team maybe get into a rhythm. And sometimes running the ball can help. Help that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

When you were working with Andy Reid, did you ever say to him, hey, Coach, maybe it's time to wear pants instead of shorts of practice. It'll get a little bit cold out here. 40 degrees might be a little bit. No, no. Always shorts, right?

[Doug Peterson]

Always shorts with him. Always shorts. And in the office, he always wore his rainbow sandals.

[PFT]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Love that about it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. Is there now that you get to watch it as a fan, which has. That's got to be cool experience to be able to, like, enjoy an NFL Sunday like everybody else enjoys it, Sit on the couch, couch flip back and forth from the games. Is there one team that you're watching where you're like, okay, they're doing something different, and it's really intrigued you.

[Doug Peterson]

I, you know, I try to watch, and not, not necessarily a specific team, but I do watch teams that have a new. Maybe a new defensive or offensive coordinator and sometimes even maybe a new head coach. Like in Jacksonville, for instance. I mean, because I was just there, you know, last year, and now seeing what Liam's done and watching his young coordinators kind of. Kind of of, you know, what are they doing differently offensively? Is it. Is it more zone scheme? Is it more gap scheme? You know, running the football? Because they are running the ball at a. At a successful rate right now. What are they doing in the passing game? Are the. And listen, the passing game, everybody's running the same plays, right? There's no magical play. There's no magical defense. Everybody's running the same schemes. It's just, how am I putting my players in position to be successful? How am I using the talent that I have on offense or defense, you know, to go out and win a football game? So how are they using Trevor? How are they using Travis Etienne? You know, how are they using Josh Hines Allen and Trayvon Walker and these guys on defense? And so being able to watch that and then having the success that they're having right now, especially on defense, where they're creating takeaways, and that's something we had a hard time doing in Jacksonville, was creating takeaways. But now it seems like they're coming in droves, right? They're coming in abundance. And watching teams like that, watching the teams with new coordinators or new head coaches, is fascinating to me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, tough question. Dumb question. We have a knack for knowing when a coach might be about to be fired based on quotes and everything. You survived all of last year. Was that a little shocking? Because I feel like at one point last year, we're like, is it. Is he going to get fired now? Were you, like, it was like, hey, hey, I guess I'm not fired until the end of the year. You did the whole year.

[Doug Peterson]

I mean, it. I would, I would lie to you if I said I didn't hear the noise, right?

[Big Cat]

Like, how does that work in a building like that when things are going bad? And I swear we're Going to talk about you winning the Super Bowl. So it's not going to be all. But, like, how does it work when things are going bad and you hear the noise and you're just like, what's going on here? Are we. Are we good? Or we.

[Doug Peterson]

You know, I stayed in great communication with the owner. I think it starts there because he's. He's ultimately the one that hires and fires, you know, everybody. The GM can have some of that, you know, set. But having. Having constant communication and not. And listen. And not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. He knows just like I do. We're struggling as a team. You know, we've. We can't stay healthy this, that, and the other. But it's my job to walk in that team meeting with as much energy as I can, to be as upbeat as I can to still motivate the football team to win a game on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And that's our job. It's week to week. It's not season to season. It's week to week. That, and you're playing. You're really playing and coaching every week for your job. And so for me, I try to block it out as best I can, but you always have that family friend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

It's like, hey, you get a text and you're like, hey, Doug, I read this report that says you may get fired at the bye week.

[Big Cat]

I'm like, thanks a lot, dude. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

You were a friend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[PFT]

Yeah. It's like two weeks from now and they're saying, hey, just, just a heads up, you might get fired in like 10 days.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So be ready for that one.

[Doug Peterson]

What are you doing?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Why?

[Big Cat]

Now? You know, that is.

[Doug Peterson]

I don't think this from you.

[Big Cat]

That is pretty crazy to have that. That moment. Just being like, I wasn't thinking about it, but now I am thinking about it because you texted me about it now.

[Doug Peterson]

Or they text my wife and, you know, she's got to sit there for, you know, five or six days before, like, every time I get home. Did you get fired today? Did you?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or.

[Doug Peterson]

Where are we going? We're going back to Jupiter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

You know what I'm saying? So you just have to. You have to block it out the best you can. You know, obviously this is that time of year as we head into October, kind of the second quarter of the season, where there's. There's rumblings already of, of coaches that might be on the hot seat or maybe they were on the hot seat preseason, you know, and there's a lot of football left. So, yeah, things can. Things can happen. But.

[Big Cat]

And it also has to feel a little bit better knowing that, like, pretty much every coach ever got fired.

[Doug Peterson]

You're hired and you're fired.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[Doug Peterson]

That's.

[Big Cat]

And they fired Andy Reid, you know, they fired Tom Landry. Like, there's. You go down the list and it's like, these guys, great coaches, they get fired sometimes.

[PFT]

You can be on the hot seat. Then you win a Super bowl right after you're on the hot seat. And then like after a couple games, maybe you lose the next season, then you're on the hot seat. Right. Again. It's really a thankless job.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT]

It's.

[Doug Peterson]

What have you done for me lately? Business. And honestly, you know, I learned that as a player and I think being. Being a player and being on successful football teams, and I was also on not so successful football teams. My year in Cleveland, we weren't very good. My first year in Philly with Andy Reid as a player, we weren't very good. So I've seen it from both sides and then experiencing that as a coach from both sides. So understanding what the NFL is, it is week to week, and it's hard to win games in the National Football League. And, you know, we're seeing that as we start this, you know, 2025 season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I didn't realize it, but you mentioned it. You are on the list. List of 41 quarterbacks that have started for the Cleveland Browns since 1999. Who was before and after you?

[Doug Peterson]

So before me was Tim Couch.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

And actually we were teammates together. He actually started that season in 19, actually in 2000. He. He started that year, broke his thumb. About six, seven games in. I started. And then we had Spurgeon win.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Kevin Thompson were the two quarterbacks. And actually. And Ty Detmer was actually there too, the year prior. And then the year I was there, he was actually on injured reserve. So by the end of this season in Cleveland that year, the four quarterbacks that originally went to training camp for the Cleveland Browns were all on injured reserve.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Doug Peterson]

The three of us that ended the season came either during the year or my. In my case, I came week one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I mean, it's an honor to be listed on that jersey that will stand portal that they have.

[Doug Peterson]

Peterson.

[PFT]

Peterson. Yeah, it's. It's kind of wild. So we can't talk about some of your successes too, because you've obviously had a lot of. A lot of Wins. Great head coach. Won a Super Bowl. Did you ever think, man, the 2018 Jaguars would have kicked our ass in the super bowl if they'd be in the Patriots?

[Doug Peterson]

I always, I, I'm asked that question quite a bit, and I, I do.

[PFT]

Really.

[Doug Peterson]

I, I, I am, I am. We're pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Good guys. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Because. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was looking at that right there. But I don't know if it was as much the offense as it was the defense that year for Jacksonville, quite honestly. Now they had Leonard Fournette. He could turn around and hand the ball off to him.

[PFT]

He was great at that.

[Doug Peterson]

Great running back. Obviously. They had a tremendous defense. They were creating takeaways. You know, it would have been an interesting, it would have been an interesting matchup. I still think we would have won the game, you know, the super bowl, obviously, because our team, I think if there's ever a team of destiny, if that's such a thing.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

I think that 201718 Philadelphia Eagle team was destined to kind of not only be in the super bowl, but win, win that game. And we had a really good football team. But playing Jacksonville would have been interesting.

[PFT]

Yeah, I just, I, we like to remind people that they were beating the New England Patriots until they called Miles Jack down. Just so that people don't forget that the Jaguars should have been in that Super Super Bowl. But that was, it was a great game. I mean, that was an electric Super Bowl. You're going to be a legend in Philadelphia for forever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. First super bowl in Philly. Yeah.

[PFT]

Do they still call you Big balls, Doug?

[Doug Peterson]

You get a few shout outs every now and then when you're walking the streets of Philly. You sure do. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The. I know that, I know you've been asked this probably 10 billion times, but the Philly, Philly play. Philly special. What's going through your head when that happens? Are you like, God damn it, this better work because you do a trick play in the super bowl. If you, if it fails, that is a career suicide Everyone talks about. Yeah. Is that going through your mind at all during that moment?

[Doug Peterson]

Actually, actually, the, that, that phrase, that thought never crossed my mind at the time because you're in, obviously you're in the moment. You're coaching the moment. I had just, we had just lined up for a fourth down play and I didn't, didn't like it. So I called a time and out and I, you could kind of feel, I do remember this. You could kind of feel the stadium go, okay, he's going to Kick a field goal here. He's going to get the three points, go into the locker room and go that route. But I. I never. It never once crossed my mind to kick the field goal. We were. We were going to go, we're on the goal line.

[Big Cat]

We're.

[Doug Peterson]

We're a yard from scoring.

[Big Cat]

Your big balls, Doug.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, that's just.

[PFT]

That's just it. Such a big balls answer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I never thought about.

[Doug Peterson]

I never thought about that. So when Nick Foles came over and he suggested. He suggested Philly. Philly. Which was. The play was actually Philly special. He suggested Philly. Philly. My pause and my hesitation was I never thought of that play in that moment at that particular time. It was, yes, it was a. A low red zone play, but maybe on, like, a first or second down, possibly a third down, where you had another chance of, you know, know, running another play, but never on a fourth down at that moment.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Doug Peterson]

And so that's why the. The hesitation. And then it just hit me like, yeah, let's. Let's do it, you know, And. And what's funny about the whole thing? It'd be like you and I having a conversation and you suggesting to me, philly, Philly. But these microphones are off, so you can't hear us.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

So my offensive coaching staff could not hear Nick and I have this dialogue during the timeout. It was just he and I. My mic was off. Nobody was around when he suggested the play. So when the mics went back on and I turned my mic back on, Frank Reich, John Deflippo. Players are asking me, like, coach, what'd you call? And I said, philly special. And it was like, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. Like you could hear crickets on the line. I'm like, okay, I guess it's just me and Nick.

[Big Cat]

We're all in. Yeah, we're all in.

[PFT]

They wanted plausible deniability in case we didn't call it.

[Doug Peterson]

But I remember LeGarrett Blunt was standing right behind me, and he. He asked me, tapped me on the shoulder, said, what'd you call, Coach? What'd you call? And I go, I said, we called Philly special.

[Big Cat]

And he went, oh, yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

He started hooping and hollering and stuff like that. And. And obviously, it was a successful play for the touchdown. And. And of course, the sideline went crazy. But, yeah, it was a. It was a pretty intense moment there for a few seconds.

[Big Cat]

How many times do you practice that play? Like, leading up to the super bowl to feel like, hey, this is good enough that we can do this.

[Doug Peterson]

So we introduced the play we had. You know, we were the number one team in the nfc, so we had a buy home field throughout. So we had that, that one extra week at the beginning to get healthy and to practice, and we didn't know who we were playing. So we introduced it that bye week and put the play in and it didn't look great the first couple times we. We repped it in practice. In fact, it was a point, almost a point where I was going to just pull it completely from the game plan if we were going to use it.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah. So we just kept, we just kept working it, working it. And then, and then the Atlanta game came and we kept working it some more. The Minnesota game came and we finally put it in for Minnesota and I said, okay, it's ready to go. It's. We've cooked it up enough. We, of course, we practice it probably well over a dozen times over a course of two weeks just to get it ready for a game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Put it in for the Vikings, the NFC championship game, obviously didn't need it. And then I went to Frank Reich the next week as we were getting ready for New England and said, let's keep it in the game plan. Let's keep working it, working it, working it. And then, of course, you know, we never, we never practiced it in Minnesota. When we're there the whole week, we never practice it except in the hotel.

[Big Cat]

Because you didn't want anyone to see it.

[Doug Peterson]

I don't want anybody to see it because there's a lot of media at the super bowl practices. And I just didn't want the, this play to get caught on a cell phone. And then next thing you know, it's on, you know, it's on Instagram or social media.

[PFT]

Belichick would have gotten his hands on that.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, he probably had our, you know, our cameras, Mike, they're bugged. But so we just worked it. We just worked it in the hotel.

[PFT]

And that's, that's great.

[Doug Peterson]

Hold it off.

[PFT]

Yeah. Where did, where did you get the concept of the play from?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, so I had an assistant quality control coach on offense, Press Taylor, who became my offensive coordinator in Jacksonville. And Frank and I kind of, when he was our qc, we kind of gave him a task to find a bunch of trick plays. Look in college, look at, look in the NFL, put a tape together, you know, 20, 25, 30 plays, whatever it was, and of trick plays. And so he brought it to Me, I think it was about 35, 40 plays on this, on this reel. I just kept buzzing through. I said, I don't like that, don't like that, don't like that. Then I got to the Chicago. It was 2015. It was the Chicago Bears versus the Minnesota Vikings. The Bears had just scored and they went for a two point conversion. And they ran the exact play which we coined. And Alshon Jeffrey was a member of the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And it was in Minneapolis. And I ran the play and I kept running it back, running it back. I ran it down to Frank and I said, we're putting this play in right here.

[Big Cat]

So the Bears won the super bowl is what you're saying.

[Doug Peterson]

Bears helped us win this?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Wait, is that Mark Tressner or. That was John Fox 2015. That was. I think that was Fox.

[Doug Peterson]

Might have been John Fox.

[Big Cat]

It might have been John Fox.

[PFT]

You could do an entire podcast just about a play, just about that one. Like going back, seeing, seeing where John Fox got that play from, how it.

[Big Cat]

Just over the years, which is interesting.

[Doug Peterson]

You know, obviously in Philly, we take, we take credit for the Philly special. Well, then everybody comes out of the woodwork and says, well, no, we put this in high school in 2012. Well, no, we put this in back in 2004. And we put the. So the play's been around for a while. It's just never been executed on the biggest stage in the biggest moment in a Super bowl to help a team win a football game.

[Big Cat]

How much of. Obviously they get all the attention. Everything is, you know, wins and losses. Quarterbacks, like when you're dealing with a quarterback, whether it be a younger quarterback, Trevor Lawrence or Nick Foley, like week to week confidence, how do they, how do they keep it and how are you coaching that? Because it feels like the mental part of the quarterback game is so massive. And just having that, like I'm seeing the field correctly, I know what I'm looking for. How much of, how much of your, like, week is, is that.

[Doug Peterson]

Well, you know, there's a lot. I mean, you're obviously, you're obviously coaching him, that player, that quarterback, the game plan. You're teaching the game plan that week. And a lot of times, you know, you say it's week to week. Well, game plans are weekly too. Right. So you might get a new game plan each week just because you're playing a different team, a different scheme. Right. So sure, there's some carryover and things like that, but the communication starts really on Monday. You know, Sunday you got Your game, you win, lose, whatever, you fly back to town. But it's Monday when you're, when you're beginning to put your game plan together. It's your dialogue with your quarterback, with, with, you know, with Nick Foles, with, with Trevor Lawrence, Carson Wentz, whoever it is, you know, Alex Smith in Kansas City. And you begin the dialogue like, what are you seeing? This is what we see. What are you saying? And then, and then brainstorm ideas. What do you, what do you like? What do you, you know, what, from our pick, pick a play or two you like. From our offense, pick eight plays. I don't care. Maybe you have a new play you want to, you want to put in that week, but give it to us on a, on a Monday or a Tuesday morning as we begin to plan, let us as coaches, is see if we can integrate it into our offense. And so that, that constant dialogue is, is ongoing throughout the course of the week. And, and I wanted, I always wanted the quarterback's input. I always wanted to feel like he had ownership in the game plan. It couldn't just be from Doug Peterson or whoever, my offensive coordinate, Frank Reich, press Taylor, whoever it was, it has to be his as well. He's got to buy into what we're going to put in on Wednesday as we begin, begin the, you know, the prep, prep for, you know, the upcoming game. But I, I think on top of that, too, is, is you have to control the outside influences, meaning you got to control family, you got to control the media, you got to control, you know, public appearances during the week. And you just got to tell the people in your organization, like, say your public relations department, like, look, I've got a young quarterback. He doesn't need to be doing every social media interview, every, you know, print media interview that's out there that comes our way. He, he's got to focus on this game. Let's keep him, let's get him through, like, year two, let's get him year to year three before we open kind of the floodgates and allow him, you know, more exposure. Let's. Yeah, we're trying to build his confidence through this whole process and then, and then keeping game plans tight, keeping them small, keeping them to where if I got to call one play three times, that's great because the ball could go three different spots on the same, on the same play. So all of that is just, just a constant massage during the, throughout the course of the week of, of building this game plan. And then by the time we get to Friday and Even sometimes on Saturday when we sit down, you know, Saturday night at the hotel and we're sitting with the quarterbacks and we go, hey, Trevor, I know there's, there's a handful of plays you're just not comfortable with this week. What are they? Yeah, and we take them out, just get some, get some white out and just, just take your game plan and just strike, strike through it. And that's fine. We got a thousand plays on that, on that call sheet, right? So the biggest thing is obviously confidence and he's got to feel a thousand percent confident going into that football game. And that's the mindset that your quarterback has to have. And that's why I'm not a big, big when it comes to quarterbacks. I don't yell and scream and, you know, get irate. And you might be able to do that with a D lineman or a linebacker offensive line, but with your quarterback, you got to be calm, cool, collected, level headed. Hey, let's have conversation. What did you see on that play? This is what we saw on that play. This is what the coaches in the box saw on that play. And let's, let's continue to have that dialogue. And that really goes a long way in the success that you're going to have not only on Sunday, but the course of the year.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

Dumb question about play calling. The opening script usually like it feels like there's guys who their opening script is phenomenal. And it's like there's teams that you can be like, hey, they're going to just come out and they're going to march right down the field and score. Have you ever thought about just running the opening script back?

[Doug Peterson]

All the time.

[Big Cat]

Why didn't you?

[Doug Peterson]

All the time.

[Big Cat]

Would you?

[Doug Peterson]

Because you, sometimes you give your opponent. Again, this goes back to a coach kind of sometimes getting a little paranoid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And it's, it's. And it's. My philosophy was always like, if it worked the first time, it should work again the second.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Run it until they stop it.

[Big Cat]

Right, right, right.

[Doug Peterson]

But you out think yourself and, and you got all these plays at your disposal and you think that, oh, if I ran that out of this formation, then we can't, I can't come back to that again. Even though it ripped off 22 yards. You know what I'm saying? So that's what happens as a play call. And sometimes times I'm sitting there looking at my openers and going, well, that play was good. Yeah, that play was great. Well, this play scored, you know, type thing. And I'm like, why don't I. And I'm, I'm having these like arguments with my head in my head, like, why am I not going back to these plays?

[Big Cat]

I'm happy though that you answered that. At least you thought about it because I always watched it just like, just. Or like go one through 15, then 15 through one. Just running backwards. Yeah, yeah. No one's gonna expect that.

[Doug Peterson]

And most of those plays probably have a multiple formation with them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Or maybe just put a wrinkle mot to it or a shift and you could run the exact same play. Those, those openers, those first 15. The openers. I got that from Mike Holmgren when I was a player in Green Bay because he had, he had the first 15. And, and really the way, the way I set mine up and I think Andy Reed kind of does the same thing, but all the odd numbers. So you're 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15. Those are all like your first and 10 plays. And then your even numbers were your second down play plays. You always had a separate third down menu. So they were never on your openers because you never knew if you're going to be third and ten or third and two.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Doug Peterson]

Right. So that was a different menu and then your red zone was a different menu. So the opening kickoff could get ripped off right to the 10 yard line. And now you're using your plus 10 menu type thing. So you're not even on your first 15. So it's a, it's a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Of a. Yeah, you got to be.

[Doug Peterson]

Perhaps you got to be fluid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

But those plays should be specific enough to what we've seen and studied throughout the course of the week.

[Big Cat]

Week.

[Doug Peterson]

And the plays we've probably repped the most that the players have the most confidence.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

How. How long were your play calls, however, Bose did it get?

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, gosh.

[Big Cat]

Can you call us one in?

[Doug Peterson]

Red left, switch. Tight, close. Sprint right, Gu. Corner halfback, flat. On one.

[Big Cat]

Ready, break. Red, left, switch. Tight, close, G unit, purple.

[Doug Peterson]

Red left. Red, left, switch. Tight, close. That's the formation.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Red, left, switch.

[Big Cat]

Which?

[PFT]

Tight, close.

[Doug Peterson]

Sprint right.

[PFT]

I can remember tight clothes.

[Doug Peterson]

Sprint right, G. G was the guard pull. So sprint right, quarterback. Sprint right, G, Pull the right guard because he's going to trap the in man. Sprint right, G. U was a. Was a letter we use for, like a second tight end.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

In the west coast system. So sprint right, G. You, corner halfback, flat.

[PFT]

I like Philly. Philly better.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah. I mean, that's the way.

[PFT]

Why didn't you just name every play? Like, we're gonna. Jack Maguire sprint.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Name this. This is gonna be.

[Big Cat]

Pft. Yeah, this. French Fries.

[Doug Peterson]

But you know what? Working with Andy Reid, he would draw and design all these plays on his. On his whiteboard. I'd go into his office as his coordinator. I'd go in on a Monday afternoon after the players are out of the building, and we'd start our. Our thoughts from preparation. I look at his whiteboard, and I'm going, it's like a mad scientist.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

He's got green markers and black markers, yellow, red, orange, or all these formations and plays and stuff. And he goes, I want to put that one in. That one in that one and that one. Like, great. What's the personnel? Yeah, well, I want. I want Kelsey there. I want Dwayne back there. Dwayne bow there. You know, I want. You know, I'm like, okay, what are we going to call it? I'm the coordinator. I got to organize all this stuff. I got to organize his thoughts. And then he'll just sit there and go.

[Big Cat]

Go.

[Doug Peterson]

French fries.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

We're just going to call it the personnel group, the formation. We're just going to call it French Fries.

[PFT]

It's great.

[Big Cat]

Wait, were you coaching on the staff when the Chiefs had that stretch where they didn't have a wide receiver Touchdown.

[Doug Peterson]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Were you guys. Would you sit during the week and be like, hey, can we try to do this? Because it was a crazy streak. We went and you guys were still playing well, but it was just like, yeah, they haven't had a wide receiver.

[Doug Peterson]

Touchdown in, like, I think the closest we get. Chase Daniel was in because it was the end of the season. I think we had clinched a playoff spot or we were winning a football game. So Chase Daniel was in. He threw one. I think, if I can remember, this went to, like, Dwayne Bowe, but it got tipped and. And it was. Our running back was in the back and he. He catches. He catches the pass for a touch. I'm like, we still can't complete one to a receiver for a touchdown.

[PFT]

Yeah, that was a crazy stretch. And it was. The part was the team was really good. You guys were winning football games.

[Doug Peterson]

We were winning games. I think it was the same year that we. We started the season one and five, and then we. We won 11 in a row after that. Yeah, we lost to the Patriots in the divisional round.

[PFT]

I always hear coaches say, like, you can't overlook an opponent. They usually say that after a loss, where they lose a game, and they're like, you know, you can't look. Overlook an opponent. Have you ever overlooked an opponent and then kick the. Out of him, just like, dominated and be like, yeah, that was.

[Big Cat]

Was.

[PFT]

I was right to kind of overlook them.

[Doug Peterson]

I. You know what? I never have. I've always used that philosophy. I mean, even when you coach your football team because, you know, you. You hear trap game all the time. This is a trap game. This is a trap. It's a game we should win. And. And part of my messaging, even during training camp and as we whittle our roster down to the 53 in the practice squad and we start, you know, having these team meetings is like, guys, there's a. There's our goals, obviously, there's a Super bowl, but. But we got to win the winnable games that our schedule. There's. I don't know, you look at your schedule and maybe you got three games on there that are. That are, you know, winnable.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Then there's those games that are, you know, you're probably going to be favored. Might be a close game, but, you know, you. You need to win your share of those games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And then there's those ones where you're going to be the underdog. You're playing a really good football team. Say you got, you know, four of those, and you got at least split those.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Go two and two. So those are conversations you have early on so that you don't get into that mindset of, oh, we're going to look to, you know, the Colts next week because we have whoever you know on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. That's.

[PFT]

That's interesting. So you make the winnable games are actually the must win games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, that's actually.

[Doug Peterson]

Those are you kind of.

[Big Cat]

That's funny because you do what we do. We do the same thing, we break it down where it's like, you have to win this game 100%. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

You got to win this game.

[Big Cat]

Favored. It's like you have to win this game. Right. Yeah.

[PFT]

I got a question for you about how you handled the quarterback situation in Philly, because that's not an easy position for a coach to be in, for a head coach to be. You got a guy that wins a Super bowl, you have a guy who is what, second overall in Carson Wentz. Carson that the team drafted. How did you go about making that decision in that offseason? Like, which quarterback am I going to stick with here?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, so that was obviously we. We came out of the Super Bowl. You know, Carson was. Was injured and still injured going into 18. So it was kind of a no brainer. Nick Foles was going to start the 18 season and then somewhere like week two, week three of that year, Carson was going to take over because he was our guy. So he goes and plays, but then he gets hurt again. Postseason, Nick Foles, you know, the whole thing. So kind of Fast forward to 2020. We draft Jalen hurts, right? Well, Carson Wentz goes into the season as our starter. You know that, that year and, and started the year and we didn't have a very good year in 2020 just was not our year. Things weren't going our way. Carson wasn't playing exceptionally well. We weren't running the football. We just, we just couldn't do much offensively. And finally you just get to a point where you feel like you got to do something for your football team. You hear coach speak like, this is what's best for the team. Yeah, well, it's really what's best for the team because the team is looking at me going, coach, they're not saying this, but they're looking at me going, you need to make a change. It's just this is not working. And the change has to be at the quarterback position. I mean, you could change a linebacker out, you could change a DB out, you could change no lineman out. It doesn't affect the football team as much. But you change your quarterback now, you're sending a message to everybody like, whoa, we need to. We need to pick this thing up. And it wasn't anything against Carson Wentz. It was just the fact that we as a whole team, we weren't coaching and playing very well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

I needed to do something to spark the team. And so had that conversation with Carson earlier in the week and say, listen, I'm going to sit you. I'm going to play Jalen. You know, we had four games left on our schedule. We weren't really going anywhere there. And it was time to let Jalen, you know, to Jaylen. Let Jalen play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And then Nate Sudfeld and then Sudfeld.

[Doug Peterson]

At the end, and that was another one. We get to that last game and we're playing Washington, and again, we just kind of were not. You know, we were spinning our wheel. And the thing about that one, Jalen and Nate and myself, we had conversations during the week that I wanted Nate to play in that last game. I didn't know when it was going to come, but I wanted Nate to play. And both guys, both quarterbacks were on board with that decision. And then we got into the second half and it was just. Again, you're trying to find that spark. Not that I was going to stick with Nate the rest of the game, but at least Jalen's a rookie. Let him come over, let him see some things, play Nate, and then see if that could spark us.

[Big Cat]

Do you ever catch yourself having maybe a little bias towards the backup quarterback? Knowing that you were in the NFL as a backup quarterback? You're like, that's my guy. Guy. Because I was him. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

I mean, I. I do feel I. I know what the backup goes through.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So explain that. Because, like, I. I think people. I think people minimize how hard it probably is to be a backup because you were a really good football player. And then you have to do a role where you don't get to play football, but you have to contribute to the team. Like, how. What. What is that? Like, week to week, where you're like, I know I'm not going to play, but I have to. To contribute somehow.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah. It's probably the hardest position on the football team that still has to prepare like a starter, but is not playing.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Doug Peterson]

Right. So, I mean, I always, always address the team like, we got 11 starters on offense, we got 11 on defense, and we got 11 starters on special teams. Don't forget special teams. That's the third part of this deal. But then there's your backup quarterback back. He's on your team, he gets a uniform, but he's not a starter, and he doesn't play right unless the. Unless the starter gets hurt. Or he doesn't. He's not playing well. And so just understanding that right there, you know, it's. It. I'm not. I'm not going to say it makes it easier, but at least you go into it thinking, okay, I'm one play away. I have to prepare like the starter. Because. Because there's been. There's been times throughout the course of the NFL, the history of the NFL, where the backup quarterback goes in because of injury, but he's not prepared.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Doug Peterson]

Right. And he looks. He looks foolish out there. So I'm always coaching the backup, just like I'm coaching the starter during the week, even though the backup's not taking the reps with the. With the first unit. And that's the. That's the hardest thing because, you know, again, you're sitting there watching and. And I never did this in Green Bay, you know, back to Brett Favre, I mean, hall of Fame quarterback. I never sat there and go, well, I can do it better than him.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Doug Peterson]

Because if you start thinking like that, then. Then there becomes this sort of animosity in the quarterback, tension on the team. You don't want that. You want your backup to support the starter. You want them to help the starter, but at the same time, if that starter goes out with injury, I've got to put the helmet on and go play. I don't want you to play like the starter. I want you to play like Jalen Hurts or Nick Foles or Nate Sudfeld or whoever. Chase Daniel in Kansas City, whoever it might be. Tyler Bray, who we had in Kansas City. You go be you and go play, and we'll tailor the offense, whatever we have on this sheet, based on what you like?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

As a backup, that must have been tough for. For Brett Favre. It's like, well, this guy's never coming out of the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Were you just like, hey, dude, you're hurt? Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

It was the best job in football.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

You're like, all I had to do is hold all the extra points and field goals. I just had to hold the ball.

[PFT]

Is it harder than we think it is to hold it?

[Big Cat]

Is. It is.

[Doug Peterson]

It is hard because the snappers are extremely good. They fire the ball back extremely fast. It's usually a tight little spiral. But the thing is, it's that one errant snap. It could be a rainy day. You could be here in Chicago and the snow's flying or the balls are. Are cold and they're freezing. Your hands aren't, you know, and you're trying to Grab that football and put it down. Or maybe it's a little bit slick. The most famous one for me was in 1993 Thanksgiving Day game, the Leon Let game. Oh yeah, I was the holder for the Dolphins.

[PFT]

Oh, no way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, so you've been in some like iconic, iconic.

[Doug Peterson]

So when that, when that kit got blocked by the Cowboys, it rolled towards our, our goal line. Well, they're saying, you know, they're yelling Peter, Peter. Whatever they do to get away from. Well, here comes Leon Let. He thinks he's going to scoop it up. Well, he slips on the ice, kicks the ball down towards our goal line. There's this big pile, this big scrum. Well, we come up with the football and, and so now you've got to, you know, you've got to kick the game winner again on ice.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

You know, a ball that's frozen, put it down and let Pete stay out of it. So it's, it's harder than it, it's harder than it looks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, the. All right, so I asked you a tough question about getting fired. I'll ask, ask a tough question for myself because I'm a Bears fan. You knew Cody Parky wasn't hitting that kick, right? I knew he wasn't hitting that kick.

[Doug Peterson]

You know what's interesting about that, and I can reveal it now, is during the week my special teams coordinator Dave Fip came to me and I, I'll always, I'll always remember this. And, and Cody at the time was hitting everything, 90 plus 92, 3% of his field goals.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I thought you're gonna say post because he had a game like earlier in the year.

[Doug Peterson]

Well, he did, but, but he was, he was, he was in the low 90s, I think in, in, in field goal makes right. That season. But anytime a coach burned a timeout, it literally cut in half.

[Big Cat]

Oh my God.

[Doug Peterson]

And he came to me with this, with this interesting nugget of information and I was like, there's no, we're getting to the end of. And Mitch Trubisky, yeah, he brought him down the field, was looking brilliant. He's like throwing darts out there on a two minute drive, gets them down into field goal range. I'm going, there's no way. I got one timeout left. This is going to come down to a kick. I'm going to test the theory and literally I'm, I'm replaying this whole thing in my head and obviously, you know, it's history now. But, but yeah, bang the time because I, I burned the timeout just before the snap.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

What. What do they do? They snap it. They hold. Pulled it, and he drilled it. But it was a timeout.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

I was like, oh, boy, oh, boy.

[PFT]

The double. Doink.

[Doug Peterson]

The double.

[PFT]

That was good sound effect.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How. How awesome of a feeling is it when someone on your coaching staff comes with you, comes to you with a nugget like that? Because that's got to be a thrill where they're like, hey, I found this, and I think I found something like, whether it be a trick play or, you know, the quarterback does something or. Or, you know, the timeout with Cody Parkey. Is that just a great feeling?

[Doug Peterson]

It is. It is.

[Big Cat]

It just.

[Doug Peterson]

It just shows that the hard work that assistant coaches, you know, and coordinators put in during the week to find, you know, little nuggets like that that we can use, whether we're game planning during the week or even during the game, you know, for. For a coach to say, hey, every time we're in this formation, they're. They're playing this defense, and if it's, you know, if they do it once, great. If they do it again, okay, we got something. But if it's a third time, you know, and they keep doing it, I mean, it's just things like that that can help you win football games. That's. That just comes from the hard work and the study and the preparation that they do.

[PFT]

This might be a dumb question, but all the prep and hard work that goes into it. If you find yourself in a big game, like against the New England Patriots and Malcolm Butler is not on the field, do you have to change anything up about your game plan?

[Doug Peterson]

No, we're just curious as to why.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Why isn't he, you know, because we just find out he's a healthy scratch or he's not, you know, not starting in the whole thing, and it's like. Well, that's kind of interesting, you know, because we were obviously planning on him to play for two weeks, and. And then he. Then he's not out there, so. But you don't, you know, once you. Once you start playing, because there's a lot of substitutions that go on, you know, during the course of a ball game. But you try not to play too much into. Into something like that.

[PFT]

I would start to think, like, is Belichick playing a mind trick on me? Like, what's he doing? Am I. I. I'm trying to figure out why he's not out there. Is. Is that exactly where he wants me?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah. No. I mean, I I, I never, I never went there, you know, with that. It's just sometimes it, it happens. Who knows? I'm not on their sideline, in their organization to know why, because again, we're, we're trying to get ourselves ready to go.

[PFT]

Yeah, I know Max has some questions.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

Big Eagles fan. He's just been sitting over here just like smiling and, and nodding his head. The Philly special part was. That was dream for you, man.

[Max]

Yeah. I actually have a question, a follow up question about the Philly special. You were, you were looking at the play sheet when Foles came over and hit you with Philly. Philly in an alternate reality, Nick Foles never comes over. He never, he never tells you that. Where were you leaning to go with on that play?

[Doug Peterson]

I have no idea.

[Max]

Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

I have no idea because I was.

[Big Cat]

Again, I, I, Good answer.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, honestly, it, because I was looking at my fourth down menu. I was looking at my, you know, my, my goal line menu. I was looking at the Plus 5 Red Zone menu. There was about three spots that I was putting my eyes, you know, on my, on my call sheet. Philly special was not like in any one of those boxes.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Doug Peterson]

But again, that's just like a coach coming to you with, with a nugget of information. And this was kind of our season that year with the players. The players were always coming to me with, with thoughts and suggestions and ideas. And this goes back to the quarterback thing about preparation and. Yeah, and all of that. That whole season, you know, we, we kind of, we kind of changed, I think the course of history in the National Football League by the amount of fourth down conversions we had and the two point conversions. And that's where it all started. Right. So our players were very comfortable in those moments. And so, so Nick just never batted an eye, suggested the play. And I mean, it was like, it was always. Yeah, it was always really special.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You got other questions? I do. Okay, go ahead.

[Max]

You talked about, you talked about the backup quarterback and how the backup quarterback should support the starter and never question whether or not they believe that they should be the starter. You dealt with multiple quarterback controversies when you were in Philadelphia where it seemed like both guys thought that they should have been the starter, whether it was Carson and Jalen or Carson and Nick. Could you feel the tension in the room, like when there was that moment there?

[Doug Peterson]

I never felt it with Carson and Nick because Nick, Nick, Nick's as humble as they come. And you know, Nick Foles, I mean, he salt of the earth. Right. He just he'll do whatever you ask him to do. You know, when you have Carson and Jalen, now you have two Alphas in the room, and. And they both want to play and they both want to start. So you could definitely, when things were kind of going sideways for us as an offense a little bit, you could kind of feel that tension a little bit between those two, because I think one felt like he could play better, and the other one just. Just wanted to continue to play and be the starter and lead the football team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Good question. Max, go ahead.

[Big Cat]

Any other.

[Max]

And this is my last one.

[Hank]

This is my last one.

[Max]

Sorry.

[Big Cat]

Sorry. It's okay.

[Max]

Max, you probably. You probably have, like, the most unique situation in Philadelphia where you were an. You're an absolute legend. You're loved in Philadelphia. You brought the franchise its first super bowl, but you also had a pretty short leash, and like many people would argue that. That you got let.

[Doug Peterson]

They let go.

[Max]

They split that. That relationship earlier than a lot of.

[Big Cat]

People would have wanted. Do you.

[Max]

When you look back at Philadelphia, do you have any, like, resentment with that, or do you still look at it like, this is, you know, the franchise that I love, that I brought a Super bowl to?

[Doug Peterson]

You know, I look at it, too, as. As, you know, when Jeffrey Lurie hired me in. In 2016, obviously, you know, know owners hire head coaches to win championships. That's the. That's the bottom line, right? You always hire the next head coach to come in to win you a championship. So when I look back on it, it's exactly what we did. He hired me in year two. We won a championship. His first, you know, he's had the team since the early 90s, and. And, you know, we. We won a championship. And the 2020 season was a hard season because that was the pandemic year. There were no fans in the stands that we're, you know, social distancing. It was just. It was just a hard year to. To run a team and. And then, you know, injuries and all that. But I don't have any. I don't have any resentment. You know, I was hired for a reason, hired for a job. We got the job done. I do sometimes wish that, you know, you kind of get through 20 and maybe they give you one more year, maybe the 21 season, and if you fail in 21, then maybe. Maybe you move on. But, you know, it is what it is, and I have no resentment. You know, we did exactly the job that I was hired to do there, and, you know, we won a championship.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you Won a Super Bowl.

[PFT]

Did Howie ever surprise you with a move, like, you come off the practice field and how he's like, traded a draft pick or you picked up another wide receiver for you, like, fucking Howie?

[Doug Peterson]

No. You know, I tell you this. In working with GMs, working with Howie, work with Trent Balky in Jacksonville, that was one of the things that both of those guys were very upfront with. You know, never. Never pulled a fast one like that. Maybe there was a time, but we had. We would have prior conversations about players.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And say, okay, hey, if something were to happen, maybe we move on from player X. And there might be one or two occasions where, yeah, you come off the field and, hey, we moved on from. Without us saying, hey, we're going to do this. This now. You know, but we had those conversations. It never was a. Never was a fast one. Never. The wool was never pulled over your eyes because, you know, you just don't want that in the building as well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I. I also read that when you were a player, in between teams, you spent like a summer working for FedEx. You were delivering packages.

[Doug Peterson]

Actually, it was. It was called RPS roadway packaging. It was a form of FedEx or UPS in Louisiana. Yeah. I just gotten let go by the Dolphins early in my career. Career. Just got cut by the Dolphins in training camp and was looking for some stuff to do, and I wasn't picked up by anybody. And so I went back to Louisiana. Monroe, Louisiana, and yeah, started working for rps.

[PFT]

What was that conversation like when you. When you got another gig in the NFL? You're like, hey, I got to go. Did you put in two weeks?

[Doug Peterson]

Well, here's. Here's a great story about that one. So I'm out on a job with the guy that's showing me the ropes, Right. So I'm like his little. I'm the guy that's delivering, he's driving, and I'm the one sprinting and delivering packages and picking up. So we were out on the afternoon route and we went to a couple spots. Well, I didn't have my cell phone, and I guess my wife would. Been trying to get in touch with me for a couple hours now and finally tracked me down and got in touch with her. And when I. When I. When I called her back, she says, where have you been? I says, well, I work and I'm delivering these boxes and packages. We're about done. And she says, well, the packers called, the jets called, and Raiders just called, and they all want you to go work out for him.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man.

[Doug Peterson]

I was like, honey, I had no idea. My agent didn't say anything. I don't have a phone. So, anyway, I went to Green Bay in 95, worked out for the packers first and then flew to New York, worked out for the jets, and by the time I got on a plane heading back through Louisiana, out to. To see the Raiders, the Packers called back and says, hey, we're going to. We want to sign you. We want to bring you in. So I canceled the Raider trip and went to green bay in 95.

[PFT]

Maybe you should maybe think about getting back with FedEx. Like, spend a. A couple months working at FedEx. Get a few job offers.

[Doug Peterson]

Job offer. And, you know, see what happens.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, I got a couple last questions. It's been awesome. So much fun having you here in the office. You're a big ice cream guy.

[Doug Peterson]

Love it.

[Big Cat]

So I'm a big ice cream guy, as you see. I bought the ice cream machine, first of all. How would you rate that ice cream that you ate today?

[Doug Peterson]

It's a 10 out of 10.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

Soft serve. Soft serve. Vanilla love.

[Big Cat]

Yep. All right, so in your ice cream, you.

[Doug Peterson]

You just need to improve the condiments.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Agreed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You know, we got a guy in charge of condiments.

[Doug Peterson]

Peanuts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're right.

[Doug Peterson]

Maybe some berries. Berries, blueberries, something.

[PFT]

You know what I like to do?

[Doug Peterson]

I like to do whole strawberry, the.

[PFT]

Strawberry preserve at the bottom, them, then the ice cream, then the chocolate syrup. Then you got pineapples.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. So you would. During your playing days and coaching days, you would use ice cream as, like, a reward, right, for yourself?

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100.

[Big Cat]

So how much ice cream are you eating a week?

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, now or then?

[Big Cat]

Then. Then.

[Doug Peterson]

I only reserved it or saved it for Saturday nights at the team hotel.

[Big Cat]

That's all. Awesome. At the best ice cream ever. You wait all week.

[Doug Peterson]

I wait all week. That was my reward. That was my, like. That was my gift of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Practicing all week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And not playing on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Because Brett was playing, and all I had to do was hold, and I'd get me a big thing of ice cream and, you know, bananas and all that stuff.

[Big Cat]

And then what about now?

[Doug Peterson]

Probably twice. Twice a week.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I mean, that's. That's light numbers. You got to get your numbers up.

[Doug Peterson]

No, I can't.

[Big Cat]

We're like, four times a day. Stay here.

[Doug Peterson]

I know. Well, you better watch it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know. I know.

[Doug Peterson]

Better watch it.

[PFT]

This new batch is like.

[Doug Peterson]

You got to cut something else out then.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Here it is. Yeah. That you. Would you. Would you tell the guys, go eat some ice cream.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah. So I think this. Watch this video.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And I'll treat you to some ice cream. Let's check out this video. And then again, treat you to some ice cream, man. Play this video and then I'll treat you to some ice cream. Coming up. Before long, melts. I know we got some ice cream that's melting, so we got to get out of here. Wish you guys the best of luck. Treat you to some. We got a little video right here.

[Big Cat]

You're just using ice cream, by the way.

[PFT]

That's a minute. That's a minute long video. We only got through 20 seconds.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, that's. That was in 2017, and that was every Saturday night when I ended the team meeting at the team hotel. Saturday nights I ended with that.

[Big Cat]

So what would you get? What. What ice cream would you get them?

[Doug Peterson]

Haagen Dazs.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Doug Peterson]

Flat out, learn. Learn that from the best.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Andy Reid. You know, Haagen D is just two people, like, in, like, New Jersey.

[Doug Peterson]

Right. Or Long Island. Not even a.

[Big Cat]

And. Yeah. They made it sound like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty awesome. All right, and then I got one last question. Roback question. Rhobac.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. I don't. You probably are not aware of this. One of my favorite things every single year is when they trot all the coaches out and you have to stand in the sun and you have to take a picture together at the owner's meeting. I blog about it every year. Year, I actually gave you one year. I don't know what year this was. I gave you the absolute unit award. I said, Doug Peterson needs his visor, because when he doesn't have his visor, we're all reminded of how much of a unit the man is.

[Doug Peterson]

You just.

[Big Cat]

You're just standing there directly in the sun. How awkward was that?

[Doug Peterson]

Nobody wanted to do it.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Doug Peterson]

Nobody wanted to do it. But you're sitting there and you. You're in those, you know, league meetings and you're sitting there as me. And then finally they go, okay, we're going to take a lunch break. All the coaches and GMs head out to the front lawn. John, we're gonna take the photo and, like, where everybody. All the, like, you know, we're waiting for, like, Bill Belichick or Sean Payton to walk out or back then, John Grew waiting for all these guys because, you know, they didn't want to be there either. So, you know, my first, like, my first year in 2016, I was like the. The rookie coach, right? So I'm. I'm sprinting over there, you know, find my seat, and I'm looking for. Where's Andy? Let me just stand next to Andy, you know, and all of that. But, yeah, nobody. Nobody wants to do those. And I can't even tell you where mine are.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I love it.

[PFT]

John Gruden says that that's when. That's when they change all the rules. Yeah, you go out, you take the picture, and then you walk back in the building, they're like, hey, we changed a few owners.

[Doug Peterson]

Owners are still meeting, and. Yeah, yeah, they change everything.

[Big Cat]

They make you go play a little golf, and then they're like, hey, we just changed every rule.

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just changed overtime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Have you thought last. Last question. The vibe. Do you wear it? Do you ever put it on? Now that you're not coaching this year? Have you had, like, a moment where you see it in the closet and you're like, oh, there, there. There it is. I'm gonna put this bad boy on.

[Doug Peterson]

You know what I do usually when I play golf? It's usually when I play golf and I see a couple of my visors, and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna put this on. Yeah, I feel kind of good with the visor on, you know?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

And. Yeah, you put it on and you go play and you play like crap. But no, I do. I. I do miss wearing the visor. Yeah, it.

[Big Cat]

Well, your hair.

[Doug Peterson]

Except when it's raining or snowing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

So I put up. Then I put a ball cap on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Full transparency. Your. Your hair is so good that through the years, me and Big Cat have insisted that you. You wear a visor that's got the fake hair on.

[Doug Peterson]

Fake hair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's a.

[Doug Peterson]

That's a lot of coaches did that one year, didn't they? They put a visor on with a.

[Big Cat]

They might have.

[PFT]

Lane Kiffin is going to do that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we had Lane Kiffin on. On Wednesday. We told him he has to do that.

[Doug Peterson]

But you.

[Big Cat]

You do kind of like, well, how we complimented Lane Kiffin. You do have incredible hair. You. You have. You have. You have the hair goals of any man who, you know, past 50. It's like, I would love to be a silver fox like that, you know? No, no.

[Doug Peterson]

Appreciate.

[Big Cat]

Not to make it weird.

[Doug Peterson]

Well, I made it A little weird there, but yeah.

[Big Cat]

Appreciate Silver fox was a regrettable thing. I shouldn't have said Silver fox. Yeah. All right. You're good. Coach has been awesome. Thank you so much.

[Doug Peterson]

Thank you guys. Yeah, I appreciate it.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

It did. Now he has to wear glasses.

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

Yeah, my fyre fest. Not really relatable at all. Extremely hyper specific to just me, maybe a few other people in a very specific area of Chicago. But it's, it, it's been a, it's been a fire fest week. It's going to be a fire fest.

[Big Cat]

Three years to be an ice. No, he's talking about the bridge.

[Hank]

The bridge. There's, there's two. Yeah, I've, I've, I've been bitching and play there. There are like 10 people in this office who have to deal with the same. But there's two bridges, two roads that if you're going from like down by the lake towards our office that you take to get to the office. One you can go straight and then take a left. One you can take a left and go straight. Both from 10 to 20 minutes. Took took me to get to the office for the last two years. Those, both of those roads, one's a bridge, one's a road close for the next three years to build this casino and now there's a single lane bridge that has like quadruple the amount of traffic. So a once former 10 like leaving the office late like I'm going to tonight used to take me 10 minutes. Leaving the office tonight probably going to take me 25, 30. And it's the same getting to the office and you're Just sitting in standstill traffic, and it's infuriating.

[PFT]

Have you thought about a zip line?

[Big Cat]

No. Have you thought about.

[PFT]

That would be fun.

[Big Cat]

Changing address. Yes. Oh, I was going to say changing your commute. Time. Time. Like leaving earlier. I have.

[Hank]

That's what I've been doing.

[Big Cat]

You've been getting early. Yeah, that is.

[Hank]

But it's not. It's not. It's. And it's a. It's get.

[PFT]

It's leaving.

[Hank]

You know, when you leave work, even when you have nowhere to be, you just want to get home.

[Big Cat]

There's got to be a different way you can get here.

[Hank]

No, I can. We can talk about the specific streets, but it's.

[Big Cat]

I'm. I'm. It's a lake going through the city.

[Hank]

And then going up Grand Chicago AV Bridge.

[PFT]

You can take it. Train.

[Hank]

No, there's buses, but the buses would have to take the same roads and.

[Big Cat]

They close half the ramps. Yeah.

[Doug Peterson]

Shortcuts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The.

[Hank]

It's.

[PFT]

It's.

[Hank]

There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people in this office. So I guess they're. You know, I'm sure there's people in Chicago that maybe deal with this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If you're kind of like going east to west in the city. Yeah. It's.

[PFT]

It's.

[Hank]

It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. And it's three years. It's like, you look it up, like, oh, temporary road close, whatever. Two weeks construction short three years. That's when I've been thinking, like, do I just move?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Three years is definitely move territory. Yeah. That's my.

[PFT]

If it shaves 20 minutes off. Off your commute, that's supposed to be only 10 minutes long. This is what I. I would think about moving.

[Hank]

I used to live in Brooklyn and. And the L train, it used to take me 35 minutes to get to work. And then the L train started doing construction, and it took me 60, and I moved. I couldn't do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

More just because it, like, pisses you off or you're like, I used to do this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's.

[Hank]

It's not time.

[Big Cat]

It's not always was this. This. Yes, you would be okay with it. But the fact that, you know what it could be, that does suck. It's like the high sucks beyond belief.

[PFT]

The highways in Chicago, they keep trying to rebuild them and doing construction work on them, and then they just. Like a couple times a year, they just take all the cones off and they're like, okay, it's the best use the whole highway.

[Big Cat]

Winter. Yeah.

[PFT]

And then I feel great. And it's so easy to drive everywhere. And then in the spring, they're like, okay, we're going to put the cones back up. I was like, why? Why can't you just leave the cones down?

[Max]

I think the one to o' Hara. O' Hare is back.

[Big Cat]

Back. Yeah, no, we're almost. That one's almost done. It's, like, done very, very soon.

[Max]

Like, my. I have been super early to o' Hare recently because.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Like, a drive that once took me, like, 70 minutes now took me like, 25.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But that. This sucks, Hank. We got to find you a new route. Yeah.

[Hank]

Or new house.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Or maybe like a jet pack. That'd be. So.

[PFT]

I think about the zip line, though. You live high up, Right?

[Big Cat]

Right. Yeah.

[Hank]

Or like a wingsuit.

[PFT]

Wingsuit.

[Big Cat]

Wingsuit. Yeah. Jetpack or wingsuit be so sick.

[PFT]

The fan. You'd be the fan. Man with a parachute.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Boba Fett.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, just.

[Hank]

That'd be cool.

[Big Cat]

That would be really cool.

[PFT]

Love that.

[Hank]

It'd be really cool.

[Big Cat]

What about boating?

[Hank]

There's no.

[Big Cat]

No, you go on the lake and then down the Chicago river, and then. Then you don't have to go through the bridges.

[Hank]

You have to go under them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know, but you'll be good going.

[Hank]

Less traffic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. You go under the bridges, then you get in your car where you dock your boat.

[Hank]

My bike on the boat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

Bike off.

[Big Cat]

It might be faster.

[PFT]

You know, it'd be an adventure every day.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

No, I don't know. And it's. I just. It's purely. Just bitching. I won't. I won't continue to. But it's. It sucks.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Piano.

[PFT]

I guess a fire fest is that. I forgot to give away tickets to the Colts game. I didn't realize it was a home game. So it's Raiders at Colts.

[Hank]

I almost said that in the game timer, but I didn't want.

[PFT]

Yeah. So it's Raiders at Colts.

[Big Cat]

So.

[PFT]

So what? Real quick. What can we do with that?

[Hank]

I was gonna say, if you can't.

[PFT]

Get tickets from PFT.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You can buy them for 56 for free. Pete Carroll is the coach of the Raider. He chews a lot of gum. Maybe the person that has the most sends a picture to memes of them having the most gum in their mouth. What do you think? Memes.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[Max]

Or just the biggest ball of gum.

[Big Cat]

That you can make.

[PFT]

Biggest bubble.

[Hank]

Aaron Boone.

[Max]

Oh, big bubble.

[PFT]

Biggest bubble.

[Hank]

Boons going to the Colts game.

[Big Cat]

Biggest bubble.

[PFT]

It's a, It's a bubble contest.

[Big Cat]

Biggest bubble.

[PFT]

So tweet at part of my meme and me and we'll figure out who we're going to give the ticket to. But it's free tickets to the Colts. They're good. Goes to the Colts.

[Big Cat]

Just gum. Just. Just tweet your gum with a G for a second.

[PFT]

With a G. Make sure you sounded like a gum bubble.

[Big Cat]

Do not send any pictures of your so much pictures of shit.

[PFT]

Last. How much gum can you fit in your mouth?

[Big Cat]

Send it to memes.

[Max]

When I was a very little kid, I used to call, I used to call my penis my bubble. So that when you kept saying that, you just kept saying send your. The biggest bubble. I just kept thinking that.

[Big Cat]

Bubble.

[PFT]

My real fire fest of the week is I've been thinking about redoing my, my office room that I have where I have my computer, my flight simulator and my amps and guitars and all that. Been thinking about doing that ever since I moved in. Pretty much. Actually, you know what? I was happy with it. And then Hank came to visit, like the first week I moved in. And he just started laughing at my office.

[Big Cat]

That's not. That is.

[PFT]

And you're like, oh, no, that's false. That is 100 true. You're like, look at the size of that desk.

[Hank]

The desk is hilarious.

[PFT]

Stupid big desk.

[Hank]

I didn't, I didn't not. Stupid big desk.

[PFT]

I put blood, sweat and tears in that desk.

[Hank]

I built that desk on 1700s.

[PFT]

That's not, that's of. That's.

[Big Cat]

It's cool.

[Hank]

I mean, it's, it's funny. It's objectively funny. It's very, it's very. Pft.

[PFT]

It's a brand new desk. It's a brand new desk. I built it on a live stream during COVID so people know that it's new.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, keeping the desk.

[PFT]

It's big. I, Well, I guess I have to get rid of the. Because every time I look at it, this was also years ago.

[Hank]

So don't put this on me.

[PFT]

Well, I've been wanting to switch it up and I'm doing, I'm doing other stuff in the room.

[Big Cat]

Don't let them bully it out of you. This like Yan's has tried to bully because I, I, I joined a spit and Chiclet stream once and I have. You guys know the background of my, of my downstairs. I have that futon.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's, it was an expensive futon and they started calling it Louis Vuitton.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they were like, that's the lamest thing ever. And I almost got rid of it. Don't let him do that.

[PFT]

I won't do. I won't let him do it.

[Big Cat]

But I shout out yens, by the way, we're going to put up a clock for his birthday.

[PFT]

I do look at the desk and I think to myself, yeah, the desk is, it's bulky. It takes up like most of the room.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay.

[PFT]

And that's a room that I also have a flight simulator chair set up in as my normal computer chair now which you can walk into that room and be like a three year old lives here. So I'm, I'm redoing some of the stuff, getting ready the wall.

[Hank]

Then you're like a 75 year old woman lives here.

[PFT]

Yeah, the wine mom. The wine mom lives in the back. But part of this process is I want to get rid of all the guitars that are on the floor on the stands. So I bought a wall mounted guitar rack so I can hang up all the guitars bars on the wall.

[Big Cat]

That's cool.

[PFT]

It is cool. And then I tried to install it myself. And I'm not a, I'm not a mountain guy. I learned that, I learned that very quickly. I tried. It's like, find the studs. I'm like, I don't, I don't no have any.

[Big Cat]

We're not mounting.

[PFT]

I was like, I was like tapping on the walls like, I think this is a stud. And then I got the drill out and I was, yo, that's because I looked up online how to find studs. And you're welcome, wall and stud finder. Yeah, if you have a stud finder. But no, I saw a couple YouTube videos that were like, if you tap, you listen for the hollow sound.

[Big Cat]

Hey, you can do it.

[PFT]

I've tapped a wall before and do it. So I tried doing that. I drilled in two holes. Learned quickly that this job was not for me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And then I just had another man come to my house and drill into my wall castrabbit and. But now I'm looking around the room and I watched him do the, the mounting and I thought to myself, okay, now I get it. So I've got like some other frames I want to hang out. So I'm going to try to mount those myself and I'm sure that within the next two weeks I'll just call a different guy to fix all the holes that I put in my wall. But yeah, it was pretty emasculating calling another Man. And being like, hey, can I pay you money to come into my house?

[Big Cat]

No, you got to look past that.

[PFT]

And use my tools.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I, I. I got over that. Because I. Yeah, there's a moment where you have to get over that. I got over that when I did a tax rabbit for a guy to come and build my firstborn's crib.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I was just like. Because I was like, I'm gonna. It's gonna take me, like, four hours. I'm gonna be so frustrated. I'm gonna lose a piece. Or I could watch the football games on a Saturday or whatever it was. And I think it was basketball. I was like, you could just build it, and I'll pay you money. Yeah.

[PFT]

No, it was way easier doing it that way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

But I'm gonna try. Try.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I gotta try.

[Big Cat]

All right. My fire fest. I really don't know what to do after winning the 5050 raffle actually means that's actually a reverse fire fest for you is like, you should never get the lottery ball, because then you won't know what to do. Okay. He's. He's still mad at me. I could be the 5050 guy now. You could never get that either. Yeah, you could. But it really does. Like, it was. I'll never get the high of what.

[PFT]

I had chasing the dragon.

[Big Cat]

I had the moment of figuring it out and then putting out the video and then seeing the love and support. I wish I could bottle that out.

[Hank]

Is there a world where you think you've possibly won before and didn't take?

[Big Cat]

Absolutely no.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

I've checked every ticket a million times over and over. Not even. Not even close to. I once was, like, a home hundred numbers away.

[PFT]

There have definitely been some times I've. I've played 50 50s and just never checked. I'm like, well, I obviously didn't win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Also, shout out the guys who, in 2015 bought the tickets right after me in the bleachers. And then one in my face. I finally got my laugh back because then they made me take a picture with them, and that sucked. There's, like, a picture out there of that. Also, I found out this week that I'm washed because I went to all three Cubs games, and I'm spent. And also, I tried to. To drink beers, and after, like, two beers, I was just tired.

[PFT]

Yeah, two beers is. It's a death sentence.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I just. I. I'm washed. I. I wish I wasn't washed. I'm gonna try to maybe get it up for. For one game. We don't have to record. We did have to record on two of the nights. Let's get. Let's get Phillies, Cubs, NLC and get fucking blasted.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

If. Phillies, Cubs. What was that?

[Max]

That's great for the show.

[Big Cat]

It would be great for show, but no, Max, you will get to go with me for every non elimination game. We'd probably have to stream an elimination game.

[Max]

Yeah, let's get Phillies, Cubs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. God, people would be so mad at me in my seats with Max just screaming. Yeah. So pissed off. I'll be.

[Max]

I would be a good boy.

[Big Cat]

No, no, you wouldn't. No, you would not.

[Max]

Oh, and it's right next to the Phillies dugout.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You'd be a rascal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, I did. By the way, pfd. Remember we talked on Tuesday about how, like, you become best friends with the guys around you? You. The guys in front of me tonight were cool guys. A little heavy on the high fives. Like, I wasn't even able. I wasn't able to high five my own friends. Yeah. I was all out of high fives. But when you took all my high.

[PFT]

Fives, when you hit that golden ratio.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Or you high five at all the right parts. That's. That's a bond that will never be broken.

[Big Cat]

PSA to everyone out there. You gotta let the people high five who they're with first before you try to high five.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Cross rows and. Are we doing like singles? What do you mean?

[Hank]

Like high fives for?

[Big Cat]

Like, there was one guy who was very pumped up. I. I mean, I loved how pumped up he was, but. Yeah, like, I just wanted to high five my friend Dave. And I was with Eddie and Danny Conrad, and I wanted to high five them. And there were some times where I was just all out of high fives because it's like, you know when you can high five a moment, but then the moment after about four seconds, you're like, all right, we're done with high fives.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's like when you're in and I would do.

[Hank]

And they. You greet your neighbor, I'd hit everyone basically just go.

[Big Cat]

The people next to you, they all got me. And then I would turn and I was just like, yeah, we are. We already did our high fives.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You have none left for you.

[PFT]

You got one guy from like 3 rows back.

[Big Cat]

Be like, hey, peace be. Peace be with you. But no, it was. They were. They were good guys. They were fucking. They were heckling. They were. They were having a grand old time, getting energy going.

[PFT]

I Feel like we got to heal. We got to heal right now.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, Zach, why don't you do your fire fest and then memes. Why don't you just get the ball? Get the lottery ball. This would be the greatest. You realize that you have an opportunity to do something very special. Special in this show tonight.

[Max]

Let's do a couple tonight.

[Big Cat]

We'll do a couple now. Two.

[Max]

Two. How about three? Three for three. Three for three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but memes, you do realize that if you get it tonight, like, you're. You're all the way back. They might even rehire you on the Jets Madden stream. I disagree. Agree. What do you mean?

[PFT]

I. I just disagree.

[Big Cat]

I think it would be. It would.

[PFT]

It would be bad to get it. No, if you got it would. It would kind of. Big cat.

[Big Cat]

It would absolutely me and I would love for you.

[Hank]

You're saying you don't want to get it?

[Big Cat]

He won a hundred thousand dollars and donated to charity. I'm getting a lottery.

[Hank]

You can donate that to charity?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we can.

[Hank]

We will give this machine to the Lost Boys.

[Big Cat]

I win, I won 50, and I grape the loss.

[PFT]

Can we do that?

[Hank]

Can we do that?

[Big Cat]

If Memes get Lost Boys, what would they do with that? We'll sell it and donate the proceeds.

[Max]

There you go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Once Memes gets this, we are done with this lottery ball machine. Getting a new one. So memes, don't take it out on the Lost Boys. It's a great charity.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

All right, Zach. Fire fest. My fire fest of the week is just. This booth might not be a weight loss challenge booth. It's. It's not looking good.

[PFT]

What are we at?

[Big Cat]

Like, have we gone the wrong direction?

[Hank]

The conversation at the desk earlier was that today or yesterday?

[Big Cat]

It was a few days.

[Hank]

They were just doing a round.

[PFT]

Rob, what did you guys start at meals?

[Big Cat]

All right, so, like, the. The first couple weeks, like, we were kind of on fire. What?

[PFT]

You guys, what was the opening number?

[Max]

I don't know.

[Hank]

It was.

[Max]

Don't worry about it.

[Hank]

You guys are trying to lose 60 pounds. You lost 20 in, like 12 days.

[PFT]

Right?

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah, we were cooking, like.

[PFT]

So you're down 20?

[Big Cat]

We're down 21 a week ago. Yeah. Okay. And what are you down right now?

[Max]

I didn't even get on the scale. The travel. The travel fucked me. Like, I had a. I had a day on Saturday where I got two hours of sleep, drove for two hours, worked all day until three, and then had to go to work the next day, and it fucked my entire week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, of course.

[Max]

It fucked my entire week. Like, I had no motivation to do anything.

[PFT]

Yeah, you should have just slept in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you should miss your fight. So where are you guys at? So we're down 10 without Max's night. So you might be down even less.

[Max]

Yes, we're for. Not Might be. We are for sure down less.

[Big Cat]

Down 21. Yeah, go get on.

[Doug Peterson]

Everyone has.

[Max]

No, everyone has their own scale.

[Big Cat]

All right, so you're down 21, and you're probably down five now.

[Max]

Yeah, probably G back 16.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT]

So you're still down.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's getting so bad. We're reporting with decimals. Like, we're trying to hold on to, like, the last little sliver of. Well, it's not another full six pounds. It's just 5.6.

[Max]

I gotta stick a needle in my stomach.

[Big Cat]

What? It was Zach. Wait, so, Zach, did you put some weight back on? I'm. I'm up like a 5.5 for the week. I had a bad dinner last night. I didn't think about the weigh in. What is you have for dinner? It. This is going to sound worse than it is, but to set the. To set the tone, I left my apartment to go return some jeans because they tried to hit me with like, a restock fee. Not important. I'm rambling. Sorry about that. No, no, no, no. What's the. What do they restock? They're. Levi was saying $27 restock fee. Not cool. So I was like, I'll go to the store. I'll go. I'll go in person. I go to return, I'm like, all right, I'm here. Let me try some jeans on. Didn't work out. I'm like, all right, I'll just be a sweatpants guy this winter dinner. So I'm gonna eat a little bit. Wait, so. So trying on jeans basically made you give up your diet? Yeah, 100. Like, after the fourth pair doesn't fit. I don't know about you guys. When you're trying on a bunch of clothes, you start sweating and you're like, this is miserable. I want to get out of here.

[PFT]

You know where this would never happen is mugsy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Mugsy Mugs. He's got the best jeans. We'll get you some mugs. Yeah, Tech, that's good to know. I appreciate it. We'll actually make a video of you trying on some mugsies, and you'll look great. So I was in an area I've never frequented before. New area in the city. I don't Quite remember where I was at, but I'm unseen territory before. Seen a pizza place. I was like, this pizza looks pretty good. So I just did two single slices. I did like a meat lover situation and a white sauce slice. It was good. But then across the street, there was an ice cream shop that had a line out the door.

[PFT]

And you could see that from inside the pizza place.

[Big Cat]

So I'm thinking, if there's a physical line this late at night for ice cream, this place is gonna rip. I have to get in here. Get in there. They didn't have waffle cones. Kind of a bummer. Did like a little three scoop trio situation, which is. Which was good. And then got into the Uber and I was like, I should order dinner.

[PFT]

It is dinner time.

[Big Cat]

That's. That was my thought process. Like, I should order dinner. Ice cream. You gotta get dinner.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because those were like fun little missions. Because they were like places I hadn't been before. Side quest. Exactly. I'm glad we're on the same page here. I ordered the cagnac to the house. That was good. But then it was like, it's gonna take 50 minutes to get to my apartment. So I got a little concrete situation at the small cheval. And by the time the.

[PFT]

You got more ice cream.

[Big Cat]

I did because I needed time filler, and it was like a Reese's pie situation. It was very good. After the diet challenge is over, I'm gonna get it again, but not anytime soon. Okay? Okay. And then the dinner showed up and I had. Wait, so you got the ice cream and so you timed it perfectly. So then when you finished the ice cream, your dinner showed up? Yes. And then it was pizza, ice cream, ice cream, dinner also.

[Max]

Pizza ice cream also, by the way.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yes. Kac. Did you say the one. The one thing that is at. That we actually sponsor. That was the one thing that you were like, raising canes Dinner. Raising canes Cania.

[Big Cat]

Yes. The raising case Cania was very, really good.

[Doug Peterson]

Very good.

[Big Cat]

It's the best.

[PFT]

Did you have dessert?

[Big Cat]

Not after dinner, no.

[PFT]

That was it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, good, good. That's good. See, when we talk, when we map it out like that, it sounds way worse than, like in the mo. The fluid motion of my evening. Exactly. None of that's your fault. It's the jeans fault. I agree. The jeans sent you on a path that you couldn't recover from in that moment.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We go sweatpants.

[PFT]

This is really $27 restock fee. Might as well just inject 10 pounds of lard into my gut.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What do we do? They don't want you to eat healthy.

[PFT]

They just.

[Big Cat]

I mean, they want to penalize you. I think the moral of the story here is, in Max, you had a very relatable story there too, because I'm the like, if I get one minor setback, it's over. Yes.

[Max]

100. That's what happened.

[Big Cat]

One minor setback. And it's like, you know, if I. If I. If I get a little bit less sleep one night, I'm like, well, I'm not dieting. Burn it down to the ground. Can't do it.

[PFT]

It's over.

[Big Cat]

We'll start again next Monday, and then you obviously can't start it in the middle of the week.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

No. Yeah, we got fucked. Next week. Next week.

[Hank]

Gun day.

[PFT]

We ain't.

[Big Cat]

We ain't too hot. High. Yeah, we aimed too high. We should have done 45.

[PFT]

50.

[Hank]

Isn't there still time?

[Big Cat]

What did you guys. What was your goal? 60.

[PFT]

Whatever.

[Hank]

Let's not talk 60 by when it was 65.

[Max]

5. I think we're bringing it down to.

[Big Cat]

60 by what, by Christmas? Oh, yeah. Oh, you got it lots of times. So much time. Get all of our weight is coming. Are we in the trustery?

[Max]

Let's just do it by next summer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hard conversation. One of us promised to lose £30. Yeah.

[Max]

No, that was me.

[Big Cat]

That was bad.

[Max]

I'm. I'm the least. I have the least amount of weight.

[Big Cat]

Hold yourself up for 30.

[Max]

Yeah, I have the least amount of weight loss. I've traveled every weekend since it started. Traveling is.

[Big Cat]

Traveling is death.

[Max]

Travel went lower.

[Doug Peterson]

We should have went lower.

[Max]

Should have went lower.

[Big Cat]

Gotta do PDS now. You guys are good. We should have done lower and then redone it. I believe in the booth. I believe in you boys.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We just got to get you some jeans. We got to get Max off the road. We got to get memes. Lottery ball, and then we're good.

[Max]

Traveling again this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Number three, I think it was. Yeah, we should. Let me have two now. 23 memes. Got it. All right, we're gonna do three of them. Yep.

[Max]

33.

[Hank]

I'm gonna go 15. Fun fact. Most number one winner of the lottery ball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that wasn't fun at all. You.

[Max]

You can find that out if you watch pmtv.

[PFT]

That comes out very fun fact today.

[Hank]

I gave a presentation.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna go memes.

[Max]

Refuse to participate in that presentation.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna go 50 for the 50. 50 raffle that I won. I'll go 61. 99. Puk 1976.

[PFT]

I. I regret choosing three. What is like, this could.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. No, we'll have to. We'll have to tase them. What. What number?

[Max]

Three.

[Big Cat]

I'm calling the. I'm calling the cops on there. What. What number do you have? Memes? 23.

[Max]

Yeah, the.

[Big Cat]

Oh, six. 26. Should we go two more memes? Two more.

[PFT]

Two more.

[Big Cat]

Two more. Two More. Two more. All right. I think everyone should stick with their number memes.

[Max]

Yeah, everyone stick with their number memes.

[Big Cat]

You want to switch or do you want to. You have the only opportunity to switch.

[Max]

And you can trade with anyone you want.

[Big Cat]

All right, I. I have 50. I'll go with 29.

[PFT]

You're going to trade three?

[Max]

You don't want to trade to.

[Big Cat]

Staring at big dumper.

[Max]

You don't want to trade to three?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

Can I trade?

[Big Cat]

Nope. Trades are allowed. Numbers changes aren't.

[PFT]

Hank, what? Did you have 15? Yeah, I'll trade.

[Hank]

All right, I got three.

[PFT]

I have 15.

[Max]

See, Hank. Hank is not. Is not scared of the wrath of memes. I can't believe you unfollowed me so for so long.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's not gonna see anything.

[Big Cat]

I tweet anything anyway.

[PFT]

Yeah, I think.

[Big Cat]

I think it was about the Carl Anthony town. It's good that our social media guy.

[Max]

Oh, that was so long ago. That was last summer.

[Big Cat]

62. 62. All right, last one. It was last October. Last October. You haven't followed Max for a year. Would anyone like to trade 50 with me? Who has three?

[PFT]

Ask yes or no, Hank.

[Hank]

Oh, you want. You want three?

[Big Cat]

You want 50?

[Hank]

I'll do 50.

[Big Cat]

I'll take three. All right, I'll take. Take three for. I. I just took three. No, I took it. I. Oh, you said I. You're officially taking three. I'm taking it.

[PFT]

All right, so what did you have?

[Big Cat]

I'll take 29. Yeah, 29 is now available. You want 29? Pf.

[PFT]

I have 15. All right, I'll trade you 15 for 29.

[Max]

23 is the one that. The first time.

[Big Cat]

All right, I have 29. I'll trade you.

[PFT]

Yeah, so you have 15 now I have 29.

[Hank]

Yeah, and I have 50.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you want to trade back?

[Hank]

Yeah, he just won the.

[Big Cat]

All right, I'll take 50. Hank has 15.

[Hank]

Nice.

[Big Cat]

EFT has 29.

[Max]

What about 23? Is that.

[Big Cat]

Would you like it? Yeah, you could take it. It would be.

[Max]

Someone has picked it before.

[Big Cat]

I would like to take 23. All right, you can take 23.

[PFT]

Memes. What do you have?

[Big Cat]

Three.

[PFT]

Come on.

[Hank]

Memes you got.

[Max]

Three would be awesome.

[Big Cat]

Three would be awesome. Come on, Memes. You want to come press the button?

[Max]

The people. The people would say.

[Big Cat]

Say that it's fake. If it keeps.

[Max]

Came out, that people would say it was fake.

[Doug Peterson]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

46.

[Max]

So I thought something was gonna. I had a feeling something was gonna.

[Doug Peterson]

What was it?

[Hank]

I think one more.

[Big Cat]

46.

[PFT]

You want to do one more?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Everyone has to stay.

[Max]

Everyone has to stay. I have 23.

[Big Cat]

Last one.

[PFT]

Can I give mine to memes?

[Big Cat]

These all count. These all count as.

[Max]

These all count.

[Big Cat]

These all count as.

[PFT]

All right. I tried to. To give it to you, so I.

[Big Cat]

Guess someone's going to get it right?

[PFT]

Here, stick with 29.

[Max]

Part of my balls. Guy needs to account for all of these as, like, rack up.

[Big Cat]

Memes is. Yeah, Memes. What number do you have? Three.

[Max]

Give me three.

[Big Cat]

Come on.

[Doug Peterson]

Come on, me boobs. 29.

[Big Cat]

Nope.

[Max]

As soon as there's two digits.

[Big Cat]

19. It wasn't meant to be memes.

[PFT]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

19.

[PFT]

Love you mean.

[Big Cat]

Oh. Oh, no.

[Max]

Jack got it.

[Big Cat]

That's his first time. Oh, no. Oh, no. He's the last person to get it except me. Oh, my God. Jack. Jack. We were waiting for the thing to happen, and then the thing happened. Wiper Jack from the back room. Jack, you just got the number 19. You picked 19. I did?

[Doug Peterson]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He had to speak up. He's like, wait, that's my number. I'm a little nervous.

[PFT]

Oh, my God, Jack, how did you do it?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. So wait. Just. Just so we're clear, Hank, you've gotten it, right?

[PFT]

Max ran out of the booth. He's now hiding from Memes.

[Big Cat]

Hank, you've gotten it. Pft. You've gotten it, right?

[PFT]

I've got a couple times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I've gotten it. Shane, have you gotten it? Yes. Zach, have you gotten it?

[PFT]

Yes, sir.

[Big Cat]

Pug, you've gotten it. 99. Pug. Max. Max is saying yes, and I've gotten it. And, Jack, you just got it.

[PFT]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

For the first time. Yes. Memes.

[PFT]

This show is better with Billy Jake. Oh, Jack's only played 121 times.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Max]

We.

[Big Cat]

I did. I gotta say hat tip to the lottery ball machine because we all were expecting something to happen. I did not expect. No, that is. Did not see that coming.

[PFT]

I took.

[Big Cat]

I was. I was about to leave. Oh, my God.

[PFT]

That's incredible. Hey, congrats, Jack.

[Big Cat]

Congrats.

[PFT]

Jack, you want to take a picture with the ball?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, come take a picture of the ball. Jack, get in here. Jack from the back. Come take a picture. He's terrified of memes right now, Zach. So scared. You have the taser sleep. Take a picture. Yeah.

[PFT]

Get up. Get up. Get with the machine.

[Big Cat]

Get with the machine. Get with the machine. This is your moment. Dude.

[PFT]

He's never done this before.

[Big Cat]

This is so huge. Jack, Congratulations. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

Well done. Well done, Jack.

[Big Cat]

How did you. How did you do it? I just.

[PFT]

Bryce Underwood.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He just picked it. He said Bryce Underwood. He's picked it. Wow. Okay.

[PFT]

What a story.

[Big Cat]

See everyone on Monday. Maybe.

[Doug Peterson]

Maybe.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Love you guys.