Future Hall of Famer Zack Martin In Studio, Week 8 Picks And Preview, NBA Gambling Controversy, Carson Wentz Horrible TNF + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take – Episode Summary

Podcast: Pardon My Take
Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Main Guest: Zack Martin (Future Hall of Fame Dallas Cowboys Guard)

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Overview

This episode of Pardon My Take was packed with signature banter, sports analysis, and topical controversy. The show featured 9-time Pro Bowl and 7-time All-Pro guard Zack Martin in studio, wide-ranging NFL Week 8 picks and previews, a deep dive into a breaking NBA gambling scandal, a discussion of Carson Wentz’s painful Thursday Night Football debacle, and the always-chaotic “Fyre Fest of the Week.” The episode also included spirited debate about gambling, running back rankings, play-calling mishaps, and the deeply unappreciated nature of offensive line play.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thursday Night Football: Carson Wentz’s Collapse

• Theme: Sympathy for much-maligned QB Carson Wentz after a brutal performance.
  • "After watching Thursday Night Football, I can officially say I feel bad for Carson Wentz." – Big Cat (03:11)
  • Wentz speculated to have a dislocated shoulder or labrum, struggled to stay in the game, looked in pain and defeated on the bench.
  • The hosts marvel at how often he gets sacked—“one of the most sackable QBs”—and break down his tendency to turtle rather than escape sacks.
  • Vikings, who have played the easiest schedule so far, now have the hardest stretch coming up.
  • Soft-benching QB J.J. McCarthy discussed as likely.

Timestamp: 02:51–08:15

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2. Chargers’ Resurgence and Betting Outlook

• Key players like Joe Alt returning make the Chargers look like a new team, able to run the ball (207 yds rushing).
• Discussion whether it’s worth a flier to take the Chargers at long Super Bowl odds given their upcoming favorable schedule.
  • “When they're healthy... there are still a very good football team.” – PFT (08:49)

Timestamp: 08:15–09:01

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3. NBA Gambling Scandal: Legality, Mafia, and Alleged X-ray Tables

• Breaking News: Widespread NBA gambling and poker scandal involving players Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups.
  • Zach Onto, the show's legal expert, anticipates news will get bigger: “I think there's going to be a lot more guys ... Not looking good.” (09:37)
  • Reports of “X-ray table” tech used for cheating, automatic shufflers, and mafia involvement.
  • Debated whether legal sports gambling caused or simply exposed the scandal; acknowledged legal betting makes tracking prop betting easier.
  • Discussion of sweeping consequences, possible lifetime bans, and Adam Silver’s potential responses.
  • The social fallout for Italian Americans and mafia stereotypes is lampooned.

Memorable Quotes:

• “If the X-ray table situation is true—scumbag behavior.” – Zach Onto (09:54)
• “Windhorst said the NBA has been trying to sweep this under the rug.” – PFT (11:49)
• “I think you’d have to be a world class idiot to be on an NBA roster gambling $20k on your props.” – Big Cat (12:53)

Timestamp: 09:01–23:04

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4. World Series and MLB Banter

• Marlins Man texts, offers to call from the World Series.
• Hosts give World Series picks (most on Dodgers) and discuss Toronto’s “different” 7th inning stretch ("Okay Blue Jays, Let's Play Ball").
• Notable banter about celebrity fans, city spirit, and the vibe for international baseball.

Timestamp: 23:20–27:06

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5. NFL Week 8 Picks & Preview

Trends and Betting Nuggets:

• NFC domination over AFC against the spread (26–12 so far).
  • “If it’s going poorly, you become a fan of your division. If it’s really poorly, your conference.” – Big Cat (31:43)
• National Tight End Day is this week – last year, 15 tight ends scored.

Highlighted Games

• Dolphins at Falcons ("Soft Benching" Season)
  • Tua’s struggles (multiple INTs, possibly too short to see linebackers), Falcons’ RBs set to have a field day.
  • Introduction of “soft benching”—a discussed trend where QBs sit for ambiguous "injuries."
  • “You gotta know when to walk away from the table.” – The hosts, re: Wentz and Tua (05:25)
• Jets at Bengals
  • Dread and dysfunction for Jets: Owner Woody Johnson publicly calls out the QB; Justin Fields in the “not your fault” zone; total chaos over QB choice (Tyrod Taylor day-to-day).
  • “He basically doing the Robin Williams ‘not your fault’ in Good Will Hunting every single day after every game.” – Big Cat (40:21)
• Browns at Patriots
  • Patriots hype train; Browns characterized as best "good bad team"; rookie QBs and offense inefficiency discussed.
• Eagles vs Giants
  • Max anxious after their last matchup; A.J. Brown’s enigmatic dissatisfaction (“using me, but not using me”); Jalen Hurts’ relentless coach-speak (“Control the things you can and move forward.” – Jalen Hurts, 58:22).
  • The show's running “fortune cookie or Jalen Hurts quote” segment.

Timestamp (Week 8 games throughout): 27:34–75:30 (interspersed with ads/banter)

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6. Running Back Rankings—Fan Outrage and Philosophy

• Bijan Robinson’s missed tackles highlighted, fans angered when omitted from “top RB” discussions.
  • Hosts poke fun at how their spur-of-the-moment rankings always miss someone obvious.

Timestamp: 36:39–38:40

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7. Offensive Line Play, Holds, and Sacks—The Zack Martin Interview

Main themes:

• Zack Martin described being a day-one AWL (“AWLs know we’ll miss a really obvious name—gotcha.” – PFT, 38:14).
• Fascinating details of Cowboys culture: Jerry Jones negotiations, McCarthy’s infamous “watermelon smashing,” and inside stories on Romo, Dak, and practice hijinks.
• On having just seven accepted holding calls in 11 seasons: “I could just get out of terrible situations.” – Zack Martin (139:31)
• The human side of O-line play, his favorite battles, and the satisfaction of wearing teams down with the same run play.
• Notably, he’s never touched the ball in 11 years of NFL play except for fumble recoveries, and his “Pinstripe Bowl MVP” trophy lies at the bottom of a lake.

Memorable Quotes:

• “I do not have [the MVP trophy] anymore. It is at the bottom of a lake. Not intentionally.” – Zack Martin (121:08)
• On Dak: “Guys in that building play for that guy ... he is the absolute best.” (134:02)
• “When things are rolling down there [in Dallas], it’s great. It’s those dog days when you’re losing… everyone’s on edge.” (131:21)

Timestamp: 118:36–173:36

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8. Fyre Fest of the Week

• Hank: The “vibes” are bad—end of golf season, days are short, “winter is coming,” Chicago bracing for the coldest winter in 30 years.
• PFT & Big Cat: Realizing they’re physically breaking down from football season and excessive ice cream after getting roasted in a recent video.
• Zach Onto: Kicked out mid-season from a fantasy football league, claims due to a “corrupt commissioner” after an injury lineup snafu (189:19). Outrage and group therapy from the hosts.

Memorable Moments:

• “I might actually move to Hawaii. If Hank misses one second of a London game, we all have to move back.” – Big Cat/PFT (179:22)
• “We all say things we don’t mean…” – Zach Onto, on blaming the office ice cream machine for weight gain (184:04)

Timestamp: 175:01–194:31

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-----------------|--------| | 03:11 | Big Cat | “After watching Thursday Night Football, I can officially say I feel bad for Carson Wentz.” | | 09:54 | Zach Onto | “Official statement: really not looking good. And if the X-ray table situation is true — scumbag behavior.” | | 11:49 | PFT Commenter | “Windhorst said the NBA has been trying to sweep this under the rug.” | | 12:53 | Big Cat | “I think you’d have to be a world class idiot to be on an NBA roster… and gamble your props.” | | 31:43 | Big Cat | “If it’s going poorly, you become a fan of your division. If it’s going really poorly, you just become a fan of your conference.” | | 58:22 | Jalen Hurts | “Control the things you can and move forward.” | | 103:35 | Big Cat | “Permission to put on my tinfoil hat?” |

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• Thursday Night Football/Carson Wentz: 02:51–08:15
• NBA Gambling Scandal & Legal Fallout: 09:01–23:04
• World Series Banter & Picks: 23:20–27:06
• NFL Week 8 Picks (various games): 27:34–75:30
• Running Back Rankings & Audience Outrage: 36:39–38:40
• Zack Martin Interview: 118:36–173:36
• Fyre Fest of the Week: 175:01–194:31

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Tone & Style

The episode embodies Pardon My Take’s blend of irreverent sports humor (laced with inside jokes for “AWLs”), sharp topical commentary, and surprisingly astute football analysis—railing against “low IQ” sports takes and leveraging their rapport for unpredictable, enjoyable radio.

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For listeners:
Whether or not you’ve tuned in, this episode gives a window into NFL culture (from Hall of Fame O-line play to the state of gambling in locker rooms), provides actionable fantasy betting trends, and showcases why PMT’s chemistry—equal parts “loudest and most correct sports takes,” self-mockery, and audience closeness—is so enduring.

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Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Zach Martin]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Zach Martin]

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[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Zach Martin]

Hey, football guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Patino.

[Big Cat]

Awn.

[PFT Commenter]

Martin might take. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Barn and Mike. Yeah. Martin M.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, October 24th, and PFT. I did not think this was possible, but after watching Thursday Night Football, I can officially say I feel bad for Carson Wentz.

[Big Cat]

I do, too. I do, too. I felt it. I felt the same way. Carson and I, we've had our ups and downs in our relationship. By the end of the night. Tonight, I did, in fact, feel very bad for the guy because he's obviously in pain. I'm. I'm just speculating, you know, we never want to speculate about an injury.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

But I'm going to speculate that Carson Wentz had some sort of dislocated shoulder issue. Maybe a labrum.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Maybe rotator cuff. And it wasn't staying in place. And it just kept getting popped out over and over and over again.

[PFT Commenter]

He was just getting beat to hell.

[Big Cat]

And then by the end of the game, as a body language expert, I saw Carson Wentz sitting on that bench staring up at the sky at all the places that all the ducks would have been flying if he hadn't killed them already. And he was thinking to himself, this. This might be the end of the road for old Carson.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. It was a pretty depressing watch for Carson Wentz did feel bad for him. On the other side. The Chargers look like a completely different team when Joe Alt is back. I think Pipkins was back as well. They could actually block for Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert. They ran the ball. Yeah. Very, very well.

[Big Cat]

I was going to say that's. That's what Greg Roman wants to do. That's what Harbaugh wants to do. And if they don't have any of their linemen in, they're not going to be able to do that. And it's going to take away their entire identity. I feel like that's exactly what they needed tonight.

[PFT Commenter]

They had 207 yards rushing.

[Big Cat]

They were dominant. And I don't know how much to take away from this because the. The Vikings offense look just unhelpable.

[PFT Commenter]

I. It's also like J.J. mcCarthy has to play. We saw him on the sideline.

[Big Cat]

Maybe a soft benching for Carson Wentz.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he. He. J.J. mcCarthy hopped up when the ball came his way that one time. I don't know about that ankle, but you gotta play Him. And if you're like Justin Jefferson, you've gotta be very frustrated because that was just an ugly, ugly watch. And to add extra insult to what the Vikings are facing, they have played the number one easiest schedule this year thus far, and they have the number one hardest schedule the rest of the season. So it feels like the Vikings could be in a bad spot. They have the Lions, Ravens, Bears, Packers, Seahawks are their next five.

[Big Cat]

So if Wince is unable to go, what's their option?

[PFT Commenter]

Brosmer, J.J. mcCarthy's got to be back.

[Big Cat]

Well, so during the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

I saw some. Well, yeah, he obviously jumped up, but I saw somebody post this. We didn't have the sound on that loud, so I couldn't hear Ian Rapaport when he was talking about it. But during the game, he did say that if Carson Wentz goes out and plays well, that will be taking. Taken into consideration on who starts next week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So if Winston gone out there and played really well, very well, could have been starting again in a week's time. Even though it. It looks like JJ's healthy. So I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Also this. A man needs to know his limits. And I think Kevin o' Connell has learned his limits with Carson Wentz. You know, he did it for Sam Darnold, probably could have done it for Daniel Jones.

[Big Cat]

I think he did it for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Great. With Kirk Cousins. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Carson Wentz is your limit. You could, you know, you gotta. You gotta. You gotta know when to walk away from the table. And it's time for J.J. mcCarthy. But I'm. I still can't get over I. Chargers, I'm. They just. Every time I think I'm out, they reel me back in because you just forget that they've been so banged up and when they can run the ball like that. And no stupid picks from Herbert's night. He did have a pick, but I don't think that was a stupid pick. It was. It was tipped well.

[Max]

He got lucky on one stupid pick. Pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so stupid pick. Max is counting it. Oh, yeah. The. In the first. Yeah, yeah. The. The. The. The second drive of the game. The first drive of the Chargers. That was. That would, that would maybe change. Well, no, The. The Vikings would have lost by just a little bit less.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't think it would have made a difference. You got no one to walk away from the table. But sometimes Harbaugh's got the X ray device out and he can read your cards.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's what we saw tonight, Zach. So, yeah, that was Thursday Night football. Again, Carson Wentz, we feel bad for you. I didn't know it was possible.

[Big Cat]

I do.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't think it was possible. I didn't think I could feel those feelings for Carson Wentz. I felt those feelings for Carson Wentz tonight, watching him in pain, just getting sacked over and over. And he also. So he is definitely one of the most sackable quarterbacks. He also is, I would say, the number one.

[Max]

How.

[PFT Commenter]

How did that many people sack him at once?

[Zach Martin]

Quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where he will get sacked and there will be six defenders on top of him.

[Big Cat]

You know what it is? It's he gets down in a really good athletic position. He dive bombs when he's about to get sacked. He crouches down low, center of gravity. Low man wins. He gets the leverage. So he's able to resist the first guy that hits him. But he doesn't like pop up or try to get out. He just kind of stays in like a turtle position. Y and then he lets three other guys hit him after that. And there were some sacks they took early on where it's like, yeah, Carson, you gotta. You gotta get rid of the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that.

[Big Cat]

That's kind of on you. And then as the game went on, he just got no protection help and he wasn't able to move and he was just getting. He was getting torn up.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a question for you guys. Do we want to. Do we want to bet the Chargers to win the super bowl knowing they probably won't, but the number is going to go. We're going to get good value. What's the number right now on DraftKings? Shout DraftKings because they play. Their next four games are against the Titans, the Steelers at home, the Jaguars and the Raiders at home. That feels like a 3 and 1, potentially 4 0. Yeah, they're 20 to 120 to 125 to 1 25.

[Big Cat]

So you're thinking a cash out option?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just thinking they're gonna. When they're healthy. They. When, when, when Joe Alt is back and their offensive line is healthy, there are still a very good football team.

[Big Cat]

They got Khalil Mack back there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's something to think about. We'll. We'll maybe. We'll maybe ruminate on it a little bit. But yeah, you alluded to a pft. The big news of the day. The NBA is in big, big trouble. And we have brought our legal expert, Zach Onto the couch for this moment has nothing to do with the fact that Hank has departed for a bachelor party. He's on the rest of the episode. He just had to leave like at 6:00 clock tonight. So, Zach, you have read all of the documents. You have scoured over everything. You've listened to the FBI reports. What's your big takeaway from the NBA? Gambling issues.

[Zach Onto]

My big takeaway after the deep dive earlier today and listen to a couple press conferences is that I think this just gets bigger. I think there's going to be a lot more guys in the coming days announced to be a part of this thing. Not looking good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Onto]

Whatsoever.

[PFT Commenter]

Official. We get official statement. Not looking good.

[Zach Onto]

Official statement. Really not looking good. And if the X ray table situation is true scumbag behavior.

[Zach Martin]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

But also I want to get my hands on one of these X ray tables. So I didn't even know that that tech. What other technology did they have? They had like a telecommunication system.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Onto]

They're. They're automatic shufflers that were like modified and then that it would send info to a guy off site and then he would hit some guy in the room.

[Big Cat]

Allegedly.

[Zach Onto]

Alleged.

[Big Cat]

All.

[Zach Onto]

Allegedly.

[Zach Martin]

All.

[Zach Onto]

All innocent until proven guilty.

[Big Cat]

Super. Allegedly.

[Zach Onto]

But this, this could be like. This would be a great movie.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, it would. So. So the. It came down this morning. There were two different arrests made or two different warrants out there. One was Terry Rozier.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

And that was about gambling on NBA props. And then there was one with Chauncey Billups that was about poker. But Chauncey Billups was also named in the other one. So there's a link between the two.

[Big Cat]

Separate but related.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, so they named. I think it was like. It was. It was person number eight or something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it listed the description of it and it was exactly Chauncey Billups career. It was where he lives in Oregon. It was the coaches.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Certain rotations with trailblazers. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd be really hard.

[Big Cat]

I don't want to cast aspersions.

[PFT Commenter]

No. Damon Jones also named in it. And. Yeah. This looks bad. It looks really bad. The Terry Rozier one. You know what I. My biggest takeaway was whenever these things happen, first of all, bad shouldn't happen. But Terry Rozier, like whenever a player gets accused of this, the Internet just finds their worst plays.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And that also sucks for them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because they're probably. If there is malfeasance going on, there's some really bad ones out there. But also he could have just sucked on those nights and Then the whole Internet just puts out your lowlights.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I feel bad for players that might have had some bad games that now they're being speculated upon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they're like, oh wow, Martin Gore tot. He definitely was, he was shaving.

[PFT Commenter]

Look at him brick this free throw. So yeah, this, this, I mean, and then Windhorse came out and said that the NBA has essentially been trying to sweep this under the rug. That they knew this was coming. That they basically had Terry Roger sit out the rest of the season last year when, when this was coming out. It's all bad. Now. Obviously people are going to blame sports gambling being legalized. I would say. Yeah, there's, you know, it. People gamble more. This is also one of those things where they would never have caught it if sports gambling wasn't legalized. And sports gambling did happen before it became legalized. I know that's shocking to some people to hear, but it's, it's kind of a gray area where yeah, okay, you can make the argument that there's too many props to bet on. But also we would never have found this out if you can't track it the way they track it. Now.

[Big Cat]

I think you'd have to be a world class idiot to be on an NBA roster. Roster. You have a guaranteed contract and you're trying to make a few extra bucks off of some of your props because they, they limit those bets, how much you can bet on them. Well, so the return on that, I guess if you have a wide enough network and you send a bunch of guys out to bet on it, you could make some money. But still it's, it's such a dumb thing for someone who gets paid so much money to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

But you never know what the situation is where, you know, the Mafia has been named in this, which Shout out to Mafia. I didn't know you guys were still doing it.

[Big Cat]

I got a problem with not shout.

[PFT Commenter]

Out but kind of shout out, kind.

[Big Cat]

Of shout out like, like respect.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't know the Mafia like respect seeing like Gambino, Bonino and like five families. All right, you guys are still out there.

[Big Cat]

Max, I had a problem with how they phrase that, refer to them as the Italian mafia.

[Max]

Nah, I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was, it was kind of cool seeing the Mafia. But so what I was gonna say PFD is yes, I agree it's very stupid. But you also don't know the situation some of these guys are in where a Terry Rozier and this is all speculation at Chauncey Billups. They could be wrapped up in shit. They could be in debt.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They could be in situations where they're trying to help someone out or help themselves out or protect themselves. Yeah. And they're getting in a situation where they have to do this, where it's not just, oh, I'm just trying to make. Because yeah, there's, there's obviously people like, why would you do this? If you're making millions of dollars and you're, you're making, you know, 20k on a bet, it could be that they owe money to someone and they don't have money. The Chauncey Billups one. So did you see too that Apparently I saw a clip a guy on a podcast two years ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Basically being like, yeah, Chauncey Billups has these card games and everyone knows that they're scams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know what the business model is, but I guess you get famous people to play in your card games and then they invite people to join.

[PFT Commenter]

You and they just take all their.

[Big Cat]

Money and then you take all their money and you're like, hey, this game's legit because we got Chauncey Billups playing in it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And of course it can't be rigged. Now when this happened, I was on Wake Up Barstool when the news broke. And my first reaction to it, I was like, I, I wonder if this has anything to do with Gilbert Arenas because he got arrested back in August for running a poker game. And when he got out of jail like a day later, oh, yeah, he posted something on his. No, this is from today. Yeah, but I mean, the, the day he got out of jail, he posted something, I think it was on Instagram saying like, yeah, nothing wrong with a little snitching. Like basically saying, yeah, I might be snitching on people. Nothing wrong with telling. And everyone thought that it was a joke at the time. And then I was like, a joke. Wait a second. And then he shows up to his podcast today carrying a bag that said informant lunch.

[PFT Commenter]

Ain't nothing wrong with snitching, man. It ain't nothing wrong with just telling, man. Ain't nothing wrong with telling, man. Especially when you got a fine ass girl at home.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, he got out pretty quick, I thought.

[PFT Commenter]

I just.

[Max]

That's central. I thought it was.

[PFT Commenter]

You got central.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, that's.

[Max]

That's central.

[Big Cat]

That was on his own. He posted that himself.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's bad for the NBA. It is, it is. I don't know what they're going to do because the, you know, the, the Donahue stuff still is a black eye for the NBA.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And the problem the NBA has that, you know, the reaction. There's obviously reactions. Everyone overreacts to these moments and goes way, one way, one way with the other way. There's a lot of people like you got to get. I saw one person maybe take of the year that legalized gambling is going to end all sports. That one, I would say is a little overreaction. But the problem is with. Yeah, what is this? This seems possibly eventually gambling will eliminate professional sports. Okay, so eliminate all professional sports.

[Big Cat]

Now that's going to happen now that gambling became a thing like four years ago.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, right. The NBA though, does have a problem in the fact that the NBA, unlike any other sport, you can affect a game a lot more with props. And I mean, it's, it's harder to affect a game in the NFL. Mlb. Mlb, yes. The pitchers, obviously, but like, you can't. Batters can't. All of a sudden, I guess they could strike out.

[Big Cat]

You'd strike out a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's not swing, but the NFL, it's a little bit more difficult.

[Big Cat]

I also think in the NFL you have a much higher likelihood of getting your ass kicked.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But I mean, what, what, what could you do? I guess you could.

[Max]

Quarterback's really the only one.

[PFT Commenter]

Quarterback. I guess you.

[Max]

Kicker. Kicker.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You could hold like.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or you could hold if you're an offensive line.

[Max]

No, NFL is definitely the hardest.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. So. But the NBA definitely has an issue because these props are, are, you know, guys. If guys are. Are doing this stuff, it's not great. Not great.

[Big Cat]

Permission to put on my tinfoil hat?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, please.

[Big Cat]

Who was at this press conference making the announcements? Who's the head of the FBI?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. Cash Patel.

[Big Cat]

Cash Patel.

[PFT Commenter]

Here we go.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely right, Zach. Cash Patel, head of the FBI. He is a massive, massive hockey fan.

[Max]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

He is the biggest NHL guy that you'll ever meet.

[PFT Commenter]

Interesting.

[Big Cat]

This guy. He. He like followed OVI around last summer.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

Or last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Interesting.

[Big Cat]

He went to like every game he plays in like a men's league hockey thing. He's like pounding beers in the parking lot after the games. He's a, He's a hockey boy up and down. This is a big come up for the NHL.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man.

[Big Cat]

He might be taking down basketball. Like Ryan Whitney might be on the phone with Cash Patel. Hey, I got something you could look into right now. Cash. Be a dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow. I like that.

[Big Cat]

Think about that at the end of.

[PFT Commenter]

The day I still am very pro legalized gambling because again, you wouldn't be able to find these things if you didn't have, you know, sportsbooks tracking and all of a sudden, oh shit. Everyone bet the giant a porter under.

[Big Cat]

That part is true.

[PFT Commenter]

That that would. You just wouldn't be able it that.

[Big Cat]

They have algorithms that can tell when people like an unusually large amount of people are. Are betting on these weird props for guys that normally don't see that much action and then they can take action on. So it's. It in that way it's a good thing. But the gambling being so prevalent, definitely it gives you a bigger pool of people that might be interested in something like this. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's going to be. I don't know. What will you say, Max?

[Max]

I have a question.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Are they betting the.

[PFT Commenter]

Were they legally. Yeah, they're telling their friends. I believe.

[Big Cat]

Yes. I believe they made the bets.

[PFT Commenter]

So then the. The sports books. That's what Windhorse basically said that the sportsbook. Sportsbook saw this in March or whenever it happened and the NBA essentially took Terry Roger off the court.

[Max]

So what does the mafia have to do with this?

[PFT Commenter]

I think the mafia is the poker.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Oh, I believe Mafia doesn't have.

[PFT Commenter]

But then the connection is again, like if you get in trouble with the mafia and then now you have to be like, hey, I got a tip.

[Max]

Got it.

[Zach Martin]

It all.

[Max]

Got it. Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Now get into bad spots like you.

[Big Cat]

You want to sit down at the table. Well, there'll be three boxes of ziti.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And two cans of sauce.

[PFT Commenter]

How about we talk about how many players in the NBA right now? How many.

[Big Cat]

So there's what, 13, 12 times 30.

[PFT Commenter]

12, 32. 30, 30. Yeah. Can you do that real quick? How many players in the NBA? There are 450 active players. Why aren't we talking about the other 447 that aren't involved in this?

[Big Cat]

Good job, guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Great job. Yeah, that's a lot of guys who are not doing this. Appreciate you guys like that. The majority of guys are not doing.

[Big Cat]

Almost every guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty much every guy has not been alleged.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I do feel like we're not done yet.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, the, the. The NBA should. I think the one solution to this is if you are wrapped up in any type of situation like this, it's just lifetime ban.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like that. That should just be it because no question consequences are so severe. And I do think a story like this being this big will probably deter people going forward because you're Gonna most likely get caught. Even if you just like, oh, I'll tell one friend. They're gonna tell a friend. They're gonna tell a friend.

[Big Cat]

Or Adam Silver, you know, he. He will do anything the players want him to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What if he goes the other way and he's just like, you know what? You guys can have fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Just bet on everything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You guys can bet on whatever you want. Bet on your unders, bet on your overs. I don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

You got.

[Big Cat]

I want you guys to have fun. I'm. I'm not like the other commissioners. I'm a cool commissioner. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Imagine being one of the rich guys who was like, oh, you wake up this morning like, oh, I played in that poker game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

15 times, and they just took all my money. That would suck. That'd be a pretty big ego blow. Be like, I'm that much of a fucking idiot that I just showed up to the X ray tables.

[Big Cat]

There are some legends of the NBA that I. I really hope aren't involved in this.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd agree.

[Big Cat]

And I'm not. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd agree. Well, the 447 guys aren't.

[Big Cat]

There are some legends that maybe no longer play, but might be around the.

[Max]

Game.

[Big Cat]

That would be inclined to participate in playing games of chance.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And winning some money. And I hope that they're not.

[PFT Commenter]

How many people do you think woke up this morning and were like, oh, shit, Chauncey Billups is coach of the Blazers. I know he's been the coach of the Blazers for a while, but, oh, Max. Because the Blazers are very irrelevant recently in terms of franchises. They have not been in the playoffs in a while. Max just raised his hands.

[Max]

Yeah. I didn't know that until I saw.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a Western Conference. It's the most Western Conference team.

[Max]

Yeah, no, that's. That's on me, and I'm. The Blazers aren't. Aren't going across national games very often.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

If ever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're not.

[Max]

And I'm not very league pass to whoever the Blazers are playing.

[Big Cat]

That's just a fact.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He has been the coach for a while, and he's not been good. They've missed the playoffs every single year he's coached.

[Big Cat]

I just don't like how now we're going to look at any Italian guy that is hanging out with an NBA player and be like, hmm, I wonder what that guy's up to. That's not a good mentality to have.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. We don't we don't need to be going after Italians.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

With any connection that I.

[Big Cat]

If you see an Italian today, they're probably going through it, facing some discrimination. Give them a big hug, kiss on.

[PFT Commenter]

Each cheek and say, hey, don't worry about it. I know you weren't betting. Giant a porter.

[Big Cat]

I got you my pison.

[PFT Commenter]

Real quick. Two things. One, still blue coffee. We have our new ready to drink cans out. Go to Amazon, go to stellabluecoffee.com go to GoPuff. We're gonna be in retail start of next year, but right now you can buy em. They're so, so good.

[Big Cat]

They're delicious.

[PFT Commenter]

Two different flavors. Espresso, cafe mocha espresso, sweet cream. Ready to drink only 170 calories. So they're, they're, they're not like some of these drinks that are like 500 calories and just put them in your fridge. Ready to go. I have one every morning on. On my drive in. It's great.

[Big Cat]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

So go buy them. Save some dogs. Do that. Second World Series predictions. Let's do it. Marlins man did text me.

[Zach Martin]

Good.

[PFT Commenter]

Asking if we're coming to the World Series. And I said. He said, are you at World Series tomorrow? I said, I'm not. He said, why? Said football. And then he said, I will call you from game.

[Big Cat]

Okay, cool.

[PFT Commenter]

He said, everyone daily asks about Pft's mom. It's hysterical. Jesus Christ. New York, Chicago, Seattle, Louisiana.

[Big Cat]

I hope the. I hope you know, I hope the other Marlins man's there. Yeah, I like the other Marlins man better. He's way more respectful.

[PFT Commenter]

But I'm getting a call from Marlins man tomorrow during the World Series. That's incredible.

[Big Cat]

It's on site.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Predictions.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I got in the room. Dodgers in six.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. I'm gonna say Dodgers in five.

[Zach Onto]

I believe it will be Dodgers in five as well.

[Big Cat]

Go Blue Jays.

[PFT Commenter]

And seven. Vladdy walk off. Let's go. That would be incredible.

[Max]

I will go Dodgers in four.

[PFT Commenter]

Whoa, Max. Because you want the Phillies now. I only think.

[Max]

I just think that's going to be the case.

[PFT Commenter]

Who's pitching?

[Max]

Blue Jays, game one.

[PFT Commenter]

Only shot, Blake Snell. Verse Versage. Okay, Definitely botch that name, but yeah, it's you, Savage.

[Big Cat]

Yep, yep. I think I'm rebuilding.

[PFT Commenter]

So good.

[Big Cat]

I did this last year in the playoffs and I forgot to do it again this year and I was kicking myself. Ohtani two home runs. I'm probably just gonna bet that every night.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that. It's gonna be an awesome scene. In Toronto. Yeah, I'm excited for the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm excited for, for the Fall Classic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And. And shout out to Jeff Passon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Gets to hit up the Tavern Imperial Pub. Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So we'll, we'll, we'll break down some of the. What's the schedule? It's Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. All right, so if it goes, if it goes back to Toronto, we'll, we'll have Jeff back on before, before game six.

[Big Cat]

I also heard that the Oregon player in for, for the Dodgers when they do take me out to the ball game. This whole season they've been adding in the dun, dun, dun from not like us. That's something that they do every single game, but that's going to have a different meaning to it.

[PFT Commenter]

Do they sing a different seventh inning stretch in Toronto?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I saw a video from Jerry o' Connell's Instagram that I'm still confused about.

[Big Cat]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

Jerry oconnell is the most interesting man alive because he. I don't know. He has so many friends. There was a. During game 70, looked like he was in someone's apartment and he said he found all the Blue Jays fans in la. Yeah. Watch this video. It's so funny. I don't get it. That's so wholesome. He said seventh inning stretch with every Blue Jays fan in Los Angeles. So wholesome. But what is that?

[Big Cat]

It seems like it would be a song that you would sing before the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, wait, yeah. Okay. Blue Jays song. Okay, so they do have a different one. Okay, Blue Jays, let's play ball. You know what? Just from that alone, I'm changing my prediction. Dodgers in six.

[Big Cat]

Okay, welcome to board.

[PFT Commenter]

Just added another game for the Blue Jays.

[Big Cat]

We believe.

[PFT Commenter]

We believe. Toronto Jays, you're gonna get another game. Oh, man. All right, let's kick it to ourselves. A ball, a letter. Okay, Blue Jays, let's play ball. Shout out oldie. He's. He's been ripping it up on the streets.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's learning all about baseball.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he also put some, some merch in the store. So go check it out.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I can't wait. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, the we have our week nine picks in preview and then we are going to get to our interview with Zach Martin in studio. Awesome time. And then fyre fest.

[Big Cat]

Great job, Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

Great job. Zach on the couch.

[Zach Onto]

Same to you guys. Great show. Great show today.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

I'm looking at a couple guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

I'm trying to get revenge for Merles.

[PFT Commenter]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[PFT Commenter]

And the weekend preview week 8 weekend preview is brought to you by Uber Eats. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats, reminding fans that if football coincidentally makes you hungry, you can get game day deals on wings, burgers, beers, chips and more all season long, all on Uber Eats. You'll love being able to get all your personal favorite game day foods delivered on Uber Eats so that you never miss a play. Max, you finally made us the nachos. They were delicious.

[Zach Martin]

Really good.

[PFT Commenter]

What are we doing this week? Max's Meatballs.

[Max]

Yep, meatballs.

[PFT Commenter]

Meatballs Max's meatballs.

[Big Cat]

What about meatball chili?

[PFT Commenter]

Meatball chili. That just sounds like chili. Not doing that.

[Max]

We can do chili.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Max]

You want to do chili?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, meatball chili. Make some chili.

[Max]

I got a chili, I got a chili week.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so we're going to use Uber Eats. We're going to probably get some pizza. We're probably going to get some wings. And then Max will get all the ingredients. We'll have some chili. You can do it with Uber Eats. When football makes you hungry, you get game day deals all season long only on Uber Eats. Okay, boys, week eight. We have six, six buys. We have the Lions, Raiders, Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, Jaguars, all on by. We do not have a London game. Finally we have a just a regular schedule with seven early, three late one Sunday Night Football that I think we're all excited for. Aaron Rodgers playing against his old team in the Green Bay Packers. Let's get into it though. We'll start in just order. We're going to go first up, the Dolphins. Oh, I had one, one betting note for everyone. The NFC is still kind of dominating. So the nfc. I lost my betting note. But the NFC is dominating the AFC so far this season. I'll find the actual against the spread, but they have been dominating so far this season. So there's a lot of NFC AFC games this week. If you want to follow some trends, if you want to go with that, there's always that. Although eventually it will probably. Oh, I have it right here. 26 and 12 against the spread. NFC versus AFC.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So if that's significant, if it's going poorly, you become a fan of your division. If it's going really poorly, you just become a fan of your conference. I root for the, in this house, we root for the NFC.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So 26 and 12 against the spread. There's, there's Falcons, Dolphins, Panthers, Bills, Bears, Ravens, 49ers, Texans, Cowboys, Broncos, Packers, Steelers. A lot of NFC AFC game commanders. Chiefs on Monday night. Also of note because I, I, I put a note in. We, we screwed this up last year. Sunday is National Tight End Day. Last year, national tight end day, 15 different tight ends scored.

[Big Cat]

Okay, good to know.

[PFT Commenter]

So let's just keep that in mind. I don't know if they're doing this specifically, but that was crazy. You remember last year, how did this happen? How did all these tight ends.

[Big Cat]

I do remember that, but it still goes to show you what a poor job running backs did. Advertising. National Running Back Day. Yes, last Sunday. What a downer of a holiday that Was agreed.

[PFT Commenter]

Agreed. We found out basically it's Sunday night Football.

[Big Cat]

Like halftime of Sunday night Football. They told us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay, let's get into the games. We have the Miami Dolphins playing the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are seven point favorites. The over under is 44 and a half. Oh, boys, if you thought it couldn't get worse for the Miami Dolphins, it has gotten worse because Tua came out this week.

[Big Cat]

Wait, starting quarterback to.

[PFT Commenter]

Starting quarterback to.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Because. Yeah. Mike McDale's. You're right. Mike McDaniels did say there's zero uncertainty with two on my conviction in him and my belief in him.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

I think we're both very, very eager to do better at our jobs. We're both very committed. Tua then also talked about not targeting Jalen Warren or Waddle. Excuse me, in the game against the Browns. And he said I'm not the tallest guy back there. Sometimes when that happens, you don't want to just throw. Throw it blindly. I would say to a. Throw it blindly, dude.

[Big Cat]

It's not going well when you're not throwing it blindly.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. The picks are happening whether you can see it or not. Maybe just try to do some blind plays. Old school Doug's blind place.

[Big Cat]

I actually think that there's a good possibility that maybe two it just can't see linebackers. It's the same thing.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the Jamis, it's the James.

[Big Cat]

Well, there's the. There's the being line black linebacker blind, which is. That's an acute phenomenon that Jameis had. I'm saying that he can't see the linebackers because he's too short.

[PFT Commenter]

Too short.

[Big Cat]

Jameis is plenty tall. It was an eye problem for Tua. I feel like this is why in the draft you measure quarterbacks up to the eyeballs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

You don't measure them to the top of the head. Two has got a lot of wasted space in the forehead. Makes him a little bit taller on paper than he really is. He's got low eyes. You've always said that 2 has got low eyes. I think also maybe being left handed might something to do with it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. It just seems like the Dolphins are running out the clock here on the season on Mike McDaniel, on Tua and they're going up against a Falcons team, which I mentioned on Sunday. I think my strategy for the Falcons will be just if they are coming off a loss, I'm going to bet on them. And if they're coming off a win, I'm going to bet against them because They're a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde. When it looks good, it's great. When it looks bad, it's really bad. But this is going to be a big time Bijan and Tyler Algier game. The last three games the Dolphins against running back ones have given up 410 yards and four touchdowns. That's not good.

[Big Cat]

It's not good.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not good. And Tua is one in nine in his last 10 road games straight up. And he's also not good.

[Big Cat]

He's thrown three picks in back to back games. Two is a very streaky interception guy and he's in a bad streak right now, A very bad streak now with the Falcons. Michael Penix not super healthy right now. I think day to day is what they're calling them. Day to day. We're all day to day when you think about it. But for Pennx to be day to day right now, I hope that at some point this season we get a Kirk Cousins game. Yeah, I want to see Kirk Cousins. I want to, I want him to go out there, I want him to play well and then I want him to be traded to another team this season.

[PFT Commenter]

Is there a chance that Michael Penix is getting soft benched?

[Big Cat]

Soft benching is a new thing.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I'm so in on soft benching because it's now J.J. mcCarthy has been soft. It's been thrown out there that he's been soft benched. Vikings fans refused to give that any credence. I do think he's been soft bench. Yes, yes. So now every time someone gets hurt, I'm just going to assume it's a soft bench.

[Big Cat]

Soft benching.

[PFT Commenter]

Soft bench.

[Big Cat]

Soft benching.

[PFT Commenter]

Bryce Young, soft bench.

[Big Cat]

Soft benching.

[PFT Commenter]

He's been soft bench.

[Big Cat]

So yeah, with, with Pinnock. Not a soft. I think he's got like a bone bruise. He's. Day to day. I just would like, you know that if you're the Falcons owner, you're every month you're writing that check or every week you're writing that check to Kirk Cousins and you're thinking to yourself, I, I'd like to get something out of it. Even if he's not the best option for us at quarterback right now, it'd be nice to get some return on this value.

[PFT Commenter]

Just one win.

[Big Cat]

Just one win. Yeah, let's, let's, let's put him out there and just like make him work. Yeah, like you're paying a guy to not work at some point. Even if he's worse than Pennix you're like, I, I want him to break a sweat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, just get him out there. If Kirk Cousins got you one win, you'd be like, hey, maybe it was worth it.

[Big Cat]

Money well spent.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, there was some pushback on our discussion on Wednesday about Jameer Gibbs, in my opinion, being the best running back. And I didn't mention Bijan. That was, that was a mistake. Bijan is electric. Bijan is in the conversation. And then there was a stat I saw that is pretty, pretty significant. Bijan Robinson this year has 46 mixed missed tackles forced. It's 10 more than any other player.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

He's so sick. And we get a Falcons home game so we get the cool camera that only they have.

[Big Cat]

Are you talking about the one that goes. The sky, that goes directly in the middle of the butthole of their stadium looking down and people, and people.

[PFT Commenter]

I've seen people get upset because they basically like, well, Bijan's the only one who gets this camera. Yeah, it's, it's, it's at Atlanta.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's where. That's when he has the camera.

[Big Cat]

That's also not entirely true. Desmond Ritter got that camera in Atlanta and in Atlanta. And they used it precisely one time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

On like one Desmond Ritter pass. So we have evidence documented about that. Yeah, I put, I put Bajan, probably one or two in the NFL right now. Yep. I think that there, it's like a fluid week to week conversation depending on who just went off.

[PFT Commenter]

I also just a PSA to all AWLs, which I think AWS do realize this because we've been doing this for a very long time. The, the, the long hardened awls who've been with us through thick and thin. Whenever we do a spur of the moment top, you know, this guy's the best. Or top three. We will 100% miss a very obvious name.

[Big Cat]

And we do it just to piss you off. Yes. You the one person who's very angry about Bijan.

[PFT Commenter]

We did.

[Big Cat]

Gotcha.

[PFT Commenter]

It has nothing to do with the fact that we are low IQ people.

[Big Cat]

No. I think I said bichon. I think, I think I, I said that I would definitely put him in that conversation. There's, in reality there's yeah. Three or four running backs in the NFL that I would, I would love to have. That you would love to have.

[PFT Commenter]

But I do, I do. No. No matter what. If you just, if you, if you walk up to me and say, hey, give me the top three in this position, I'll give you a Good. Top three. And I'll miss an obvious one.

[Big Cat]

Top three wide receivers in the NFL right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Jackson Smith.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Jamar Chase.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

CD Lamb.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Jefferson. This guy forgot Jefferson.

[PFT Commenter]

I forgot Jefferson.

[Zach Martin]

I forgot Jeff.

[Big Cat]

What if. So we're taping this early in the morning. What if he went off for like four touchdowns and 200 yards?

[PFT Commenter]

That would look stupid right now. What are you gonna say, Max? Max, you got something to say?

[Max]

I. I got nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

What are you guys laughing about in the booth?

[Max]

We're just talking.

[Zach Martin]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

Share with the class. We're doing a podcast.

[Big Cat]

Max is excited about VJ Edge. Come.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay.

[Max]

Zach. Zach got weirdly defensive.

[PFT Commenter]

About V.J. edgecomb.

[Max]

About the Knicks.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay.

[Zach Martin]

Well, good.

[PFT Commenter]

Good segue, Booth. Let's. Let's go to the next game. Jets at Bengals. Bengals are minus six and a half point favorites against the jets and the over unders 44 and a half. Good news for the boys in the booth. Well, at least for memes, the New York Knicks have more wins than the Jets.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome. Go New York.

[PFT Commenter]

That's huge. Go New York. Go Memes. Mean stat. Nope. That is a mean stat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Knicks look really good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Fun team.

[PFT Commenter]

Very fun team.

[Big Cat]

Matthew Schaefer.

[PFT Commenter]

He's easy. He's a stud. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Memes. Do you think this is the week for Breeze Hall?

[PFT Commenter]

I hope so.

[Big Cat]

Unleash 20.

[PFT Commenter]

I also think it's the week for Justin Fields. You do? So Justin Fields. Quite a week in jets world. We had some. A couple weird things happened. One was Woody Johnson talked about how he hugs Aaron Glenn after every game and tells him how much he loves him. Okay, that's not really something that you.

[Big Cat]

Do to a coach that's successful though, right?

[PFT Commenter]

No, it's more. It's more. You do that to someone whose family member is dying or coach the Jets.

[Big Cat]

It's like, I feel sorry for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

Thank you for. Still, it's almost like he looks at Aaron Glenn like, thank you. Thank you for taking this job.

[PFT Commenter]

He's.

[Big Cat]

I know, I know. It's not easy.

[PFT Commenter]

He's basically doing the Robin Williams not your fault in goodwill hunting every single day after every game. Well, no, I think it was every day they hug.

[Big Cat]

Milwaukee told the waiter, Aaron Glenn. You hear about him. He's coaching the Jets. Thought he would cry.

[PFT Commenter]

But that wasn't the weirdest thing that Woody Johnson did. Woody Johnson then came out and said about his starting quarterback, we paid a decent amount of money to that. He can't complete a pass. If we could just complete A pass. It would look good. He said, if you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you're going to see similar results. That's a mean thing to say. And then Justin Fields didn't see it until he was talking to the media and was kind of thrown at him. Aaron Glenn also had a spicy exchange with the media memes. Not good. Not good. There's just total dysfunction. This is the rock bottom we were talking about. Under the rock bottom.

[Big Cat]

It's below the rock.

[PFT Commenter]

It's below the rock bottom. And now it's only up from here, hopefully.

[Big Cat]

What's below rock bottom? I don't know what the. The mantle of the earth. The liquid core.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're at the core. It seems. It seems bad. It seems like they don't really. They haven't named a starter yet. Right. But I. I would assume that if the owner is making comments like this, it's probably going to be Turat. If the owner's like, our quarterback can't throw a pass. That seems like it would point towards the guy that can throw a pass.

[PFT Commenter]

Correct. But if you're Aaron Glenn, you almost have to start Justin Fields to prove the point that you're still making the decisions and it's not the owner.

[Big Cat]

So you're. Wait, you're saying that Aaron Glenn. Because the owner has been so negative.

[PFT Commenter]

Owner's been so negative. You. You. If you start Tyrod Taylor, that's Woody Johnson making the decision. Yeah. You're letting him win. Aaron Glenn has to start. Just almost has to start.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Justin Fields just to be like, I'm still in charge. I'm the man.

[Big Cat]

I'll show him. I'm going to lose this game.

[PFT Commenter]

And I'm looking forward to my hug afterwards.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And look forward.

[Big Cat]

Probably wants that hug now. Did you know that Justin Fields has not thrown an interception this year? That's pretty good. So he can't complete a pass to anybody. And so he is the first quarterback since 1950 to have zero picks and zero wins in their first start of a season. But Breeze Hall. The reason I asked about Breeze Hall. How many touchdowns Big Cat do you think Bruce hall Has this year?

[PFT Commenter]

1 0.

[Big Cat]

He has zero touchdowns.

[PFT Commenter]

I was trying to give him a pity one.

[Big Cat]

Pretty crazy that Breeze hall hasn't scored yet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They.

[PFT Commenter]

They normally go to Braylon Allen on the goal line. Memes. I do memes. For the quarterback situation, Aaron Glenn did clear it up. He said, we will have a quarterback on Sunday. I'll tell you that. Sucking haters so suck My dick to the world. Aaron Glenn just said you thought we were going to play without a quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You're wrong.

[Big Cat]

Listen, we're going to have a quarterback. 99.99999999% of the world will not be coaching a quarterback on Sunday. They won't have a quarterback on their roster.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be funny if he just went Wildcat Pres. Hall for the entire game.

[Big Cat]

The Wild Jet.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no quarterback. Yeah, I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Tyrod Taylor's day to day too, so.

[PFT Commenter]

He might not even be able to play.

[Big Cat]

What does he have a knee?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, not just one. Just one. Okay. People have been tagging you in insult stats related to the Steelers and Jets. No, because Justin Fields was 4 and 2 with the Steelers last year. He's owing 6 with the Jets. Aaron Rodgers was 5 and 12 with the jets last year. He's 4 and 2 with the Steelers this year. Arthur Smith, sneaky QB whisperer. He made Aaron Rodgers good. And Justin Fields.

[Big Cat]

What was Flacco's record with the Jets? I mean, Aaron Rodgers has a third for 300 yards. Ramandre Stevenson doesn't fumble the ball, they lose that game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Flacco with the jets was.

[Big Cat]

That's a positive for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank Flacco with the jets was kind of like. Remember Kurt Warner on the Giants?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, not really, but yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, because it was. It was. Oh, this is done.

[Big Cat]

Kurt Warner, I think he was rocking two gloves with the Giants. He looked cold all the time. He just couldn't stop fumbling the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Those guys deserve all the credit in the world. Be like, I'm not retiring. I still am.

[Zach Martin]

Good.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Joe Flacco, he got comeback player of the year from coming back from playing for the Jets. He didn't have an injury. He was overcoming nothing. Like major took him out of football.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

He just got come back player of the year because it's like, how do you get over what you just experienced?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And Joe Flacco, by the way, had an incredible quote this week talking about being on a new team, his family still living in New Jersey. He said that. I used to see guys sitting at the bar by themselves eating, and I used to feel so bad for them. And now I realize that dude was in heaven.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he had great delivery on that too.

[PFT Commenter]

So true.

[Big Cat]

Great delivery on it. That man. Yes, I. You can. You can hear the. The fact that he's got five kids at home.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, right. If you have kids and you are you, you. You find yourself in a spot where you're traveling. It's kind of like when we go travel. And the thing I look forward to most is just sitting in my hotel room with nothing happening, not even the TV on. Just sitting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just sitting there and just being like, this is awesome. Just a little bit of a break. So Joe Flacco, I think that's why.

[Big Cat]

He keeps taking these jobs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's like, yeah, I got. Daddy's got to go to work. He'd really like to stay here, pick you up from school. I want to do all the things, but, you know, NFL. I got. I have to. I have to go play for the Bengals. You understand?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This is a must win for the Bengals.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think they're all must win.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Well, there's a couple that will be coming up that are going to be difficult to wins. This is a must win if you have to. If they. There's a path for the Bengals to somehow scratch and claw to nine or 10 wins. It does not happen. If they lose this game.

[Big Cat]

The Bengals are going to be this year's team that is just always in the. In the hunt graphic. Yeah. They're going to be sticking around, making some noise, maybe playing spoiler at the end. Yeah. They are the. You're gonna love the in the hunk graphic this year, Cincinnati.

[Zach Onto]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So they got to win this one. Memes. I. I don't. I'll say this. I don't think that the Bengals should be six and a half point favorites. That seems a little crazy. Their defense is bad. Defense is bad. Offensive line is bad.

[Big Cat]

Jeff. Defense is playing better.

[PFT Commenter]

I might have to bet the jets is.

[Big Cat]

This is important. This is important. Is Sauce playing?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not sure. That is important.

[Big Cat]

That's very important.

[PFT Commenter]

Very important.

[Big Cat]

If Sauce is playing, I could see a world where.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Why are the Bengals six and a half point favorites to anyone? But if Sauce is not playing, I feel like that is. That might be just a Joe Flacco aired out game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But I don't know. The Bengals offensive line is banged up.

[Big Cat]

Joe Flacco also. The Bengals offensive line is always banged up.

[PFT Commenter]

Joe Flacco had that Joe Flacco game last week and then he turns back.

[Big Cat]

Into old Joe Flacco.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like almost every other game.

[Big Cat]

It depends on how old Joe Flacco you're talking about.

[Hank]

I like the jets here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hungry dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he. What's the hungry dog this week?

[Hank]

I don't know. There's. I. I don't know how crazy I want to get. We'll see. There's a lot of dogs that I like.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. The next game. Hank.

[Hank]

NFL teams don't go over.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Except for when the Lions, they have.

[Big Cat]

And the Browns.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But other than that I agree.

[Big Cat]

The jets are different though.

[PFT Commenter]

Jets will win a game. I think they will. Yeah. I don't know. Browns and Patriots. Hank.

[Hank]

Yeah. It's exciting one.

[PFT Commenter]

Why?

[Hank]

Because it's a. It's a good test against a great defense.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good point. There's a stat that's not great for you. Since 2018, teams who are on a four plus game straight up or against a spread win streak who didn't make the playoffs the year prior are 14 and 26 against the spread, but they're 1 in 14 against the spread since 2022. So teams that were expected to be bad because they didn't make the playoffs last year and then have four game winning streak, one in 14 against spread since 2022.

[Hank]

I don't. That stat doesn't mean much to me. It's a different team.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, cool. I agree too. And it applies to the Bears as.

[Zach Martin]

Well.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I was, I saw the stat.

[Big Cat]

Like, would you, would you consider the Browns to be a weak team in the NFL?

[Hank]

A weak team. Their defense is like the best defense in the NFL.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're one of the strongest teams. Just physical. Just based on how much they can bench.

[Big Cat]

I think, I think they're a. I think they're an extremely good bad team. Definitely they might be one of the best bad teams that we've seen in this league in the last 20 years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They don't feel like the bottom has fully fallen out at any point. They just. Obviously, the Dolphins, game aside, they play the same game every week where they will. This will be close in the first half and then it will probably not be close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Have you read the reports coming out of Brown's camp recently?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

The Shador Buzz.

[Zach Martin]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

So Mary Kay Cabot said in practice Shador Sanders has been making a ton of progress. He looks really good. I've been saying this over and over again. If you put Shador and Dylan Gabriel side by side or one after the other in a 7 on 7 red zone drill, I think Shador would probably win that drill much of the time. Or if you put them against each other in a pocket drill where you're throwing the ball into little pockets in the net, I think Shador would win that a lot of the time. So that to me, I mean, I can't think of a more Resounding endorsement of Shador than he's winning to throw the ball into the tiny hole on the net drill.

[Zach Onto]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

And in seven on seven red zone specific drills, he probably wins that drill much of the time. So they're gassing them up. They're gassing him up. It sounds, it sounds like Shador is ready.

[PFT Commenter]

It is funny that Dylan Gabriel won a game, is the starting quarterback for the Browns. And I don't think anyone is saying, yeah, that's the future. No, not a single person.

[Hank]

The lefty.

[PFT Commenter]

It's tough. Short lefties. Tough.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The Browns, by the way, they have their six. Their longest play from scrimmage this year is 46 yards. Their six longest plays, four of them are runs. So not exactly explosive in the past game.

[Big Cat]

No, I, but I, I would say that the formula is going to be just, Judkins, Judkins, Judkins, Judkins.

[PFT Commenter]

The fuck out of this.

[Big Cat]

This is your Judkins game and make the Patriots stop you. But again, Hank, remember that stat. Patriots 50 yard rusher. They still have not given up a 50 yard rusher this season.

[PFT Commenter]

You want a, you want a great Drake May stat. That's pretty crazy.

[Big Cat]

Love one.

[PFT Commenter]

Drake May is 24th in pass attempts in the NFL this season. He is 8th in passing yards. Wow, that's pretty good stat. Yeah, that's a pretty damn efficient.

[Big Cat]

A deep ball merchant.

[Hank]

He's efficient, accurate, total package.

[Big Cat]

Total package for total package.

[Hank]

Cover two killer.

[Big Cat]

Is that what they call them?

[Hank]

Yeah. Watching a lot of film. So it's cover too.

[PFT Commenter]

They are, they have ranked third in offensive explosive plays this year, which is, I mean, that's, those are, those are the, the things that, like, if you can stop explosive plays and you can get a couple of explosive plays, that's a pretty good recipe to win a football game.

[Big Cat]

Have you thought about the fork in the road in this game, Hank, where if the Patriots play like you think they're going to play, I think your confidence train just keeps gaining momentum at that point. I don't think you're going to like spike up in confidence after this game if you beat the Browns handily. But I think you'll just be like, yep, okay, this is happening. I'm rolling with it.

[Hank]

What if we 40 piece about a really good defense?

[Big Cat]

If you. 40 piece, really good defense? Yeah, that's a good question for you.

[Hank]

That's a spiker.

[Big Cat]

What if that, that spikes you up?

[Zach Onto]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Now what if, what if you lose to the Browns?

[Hank]

That'll be tough. That will be, that will Be that will definitely be a Go back down to earth, reassess, regroup, rethink some things, get ready for, you know, a second chance.

[Big Cat]

Would you say, like, well, the packers lost the Browns. No, you would not do that because.

[PFT Commenter]

That doesn't care about the rest of the league.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

And this is Joe Flacco. If we lost a Joe Flacco in the Browns, it'd be different.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Hank]

Lose to Dylan Gabriel and the Browns, even Shador. I, I, I could live with that. Like, Shador comes out. He's been waiting to prove his moment and just goes off. Fine.

[Big Cat]

You're doing the fine. You're doing the Sean Payton.

[Hank]

Dylan Gabriel, like, can't even throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field.

[Big Cat]

You're doing the Sean paid right now. You're like, I really hope they don't switch to Shador before we get to play him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. This is the first. The Browns are trying to win their first game in Foxborough since 1992. They've had six different quarterbacks try to attempt it. Baker, Jason Campbell, Derek Anderson, Tim Couch, Vinnie Test, Averdi, and now Dylan Gabriel. Last one to to to do it was Mike Tomczak. There's a name, by the way, I forgot a stat. I, I, I apologize. From the Bengals. Did you guys know that last week the Bengals winning with with Joe Flacco, that was the first time that Zach Taylor won a football game with a quarterback not named Joe Burrow in September, October or November? No, he was not 1 in 17. He was 0 and 17 until that win.

[Big Cat]

Because his first year, he won what, two games?

[PFT Commenter]

He won two games. He had Dalton and Ryan Finley. He lost with Brandon Allen. Jake Browning, he was 0 and 17 in the months of September, October, November until Joe Flacco won that game.

[Big Cat]

Do we know, is he a good coach?

[PFT Commenter]

Zach Taylor?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Is he a good coach?

[PFT Commenter]

Went to a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

He went to a Super Bowl. He had Joe Burrow.

[PFT Commenter]

Went to a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

And then every year that the Bengals aren't good, those are years when Joe Burrow gets hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

And so then you have to ask, like, well, he's winning a couple games with Jake Browning. Does that make him good?

[PFT Commenter]

Went to a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

He went to a Super Bowl. He didn't win a Super bowl, but.

[PFT Commenter]

No one expected him to go to that super bowl, so it's kind of a win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I, I'm curious to know from Bengals fans, do you think that Zach Taylor is a good head coach?

[PFT Commenter]

I think the answer is probably going to be.

[Big Cat]

No, I think. Well, yeah, probably.

[PFT Commenter]

But I think he's a good head coach.

[Big Cat]

Every city kind of hates their coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He's adjacent.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Speaking of cities that hate their coach. Giants at Eagles. Eagles minus seven. No, you don't hate Sirianni anymore.

[Max]

I never said I. Not this year. Did I say I hate Sirianni?

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. You haven't had crisis of confidence at.

[Max]

Any point for Sirianni.

[Zach Martin]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

You hate Petullo, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Hate Petulo. He could.

[Max]

He could. He could improve.

[PFT Commenter]

This is all leading to the Eagles winning the super bowl and then us having. And Kevin Petullo getting a head coaching job and then us interviewing him at the combine this year.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Max, have you thought about maybe contacting the FBI and saying, I think Kevin Patullo is in the banana crime family, Might want to look into him?

[Max]

Didn't think about that until you just said it. Interesting thought, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Interesting thought. So The Eagles are seven and a half point favorites. The over under is 43 and a half. Max, how are you feeling about this game? Obviously, two weeks ago, the Eagles or the Giants embarrassed you. The good news is I think I saw a stat that since. Since 2008 or 7, the Eagles haven't lost consecutive games in a season, in a single season to the Giants. So that's good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

No, I still don't feel good about it because the last time we played the Giants, it couldn't look worse, so.

[PFT Commenter]

But you didn't have Jalen Carter.

[Max]

We didn't have Jalen Carter.

[PFT Commenter]

Quinya Mitchell, but we're also not going.

[Max]

To have Cam Juergens, and I don't know what the fuck's going on with A.J. brown.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean? What do you mean by that?

[Max]

You know what I mean.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean by that?

[Max]

Something's going on with A.J. brown.

[Big Cat]

Something is going on. Something is going on with A.J.

[PFT Commenter]

Brown. Are you saying his Instagram post where he said, using me but not using me?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I don't. It's Insane. He had 120 yards, two touchdowns, and for some reason he still thinks that.

[Big Cat]

I have a theory. I have a theory about agent. It would kind of explain a lot about what we know about the guy. I think he looks at his relationship with a football team, and every time they go to him and they try to. They try to exploit a weakness in the defense or they're like, we got to stretch the field. Let's. Let's go to A.J. brown. He's a great receiver. A lot of Receivers would be like, yeah, this is awesome. They're knowing, they understand that I'm an elite talent and they are getting me to score touchdowns in this offense. That's a good thing. I think with AJ Brown, he feels like he's being used. Like they wouldn't pass him the ball if they didn't need him to win. So them, it's like you're just using me so that you can.

[PFT Commenter]

Using me. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You don't, you don't appreciate me as a human being. You only appreciate me for my job that I can do.

[PFT Commenter]

So you're saying maybe the Eagles have to win a game where they use A.J. brown. The perfect amount.

[Big Cat]

The perfect amount.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like, hey, we're gonna 80 yards in a touchdown.

[Big Cat]

We're gonna throw you the ball not because we think that you're gonna score, but just because we value you as a human being.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

And we, we feel like that would. We want you to be a good part of this team and contribute. So you're not going to win, that you're triple teamed. Let's just try to pass you the ball anyways because that's, that's showing us that we're not, we're not exploiting you. We're not taking advantage. He thinks that they're like taking advantage of him because they only throw the ball to them when they need to.

[PFT Commenter]

Score, when they really need to win. Yeah. And they need to show that their offense is broken. Have they thought, have you thought maybe Jalen hurts. Maybe Nick Sirianni just has to have Jalen hurts and AJ Brown just have a good game of catch. I don't know.

[Max]

Jalen hurts. Did another fortune cookie.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I have, I have America's favorite game. It's called Fortune Cookie or Jalen Hurts. Would you guys like to play?

[Hank]

Yes.

[Max]

I am familiar with this quote.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. No, no, I have, I have a bunch of quotes because Jalen hurts. I. I was looking through it and it is. It's every single week. Multiple, multiple quotes. But so I'm going to play. I'm going to give you a quote. You guys are going to tell me if it's a fortune cookie or if it's Jalen Hurts. You ready? Whenever possible, keep it simple.

[Hank]

Jalen hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a fortune cookie.

[Max]

Well, I mean, that's. That, that's grasping at straw control.

[PFT Commenter]

The how many.

[Max]

Every hold on the NFL says that.

[Big Cat]

Hold on.

[PFT Commenter]

Control the things you can and move forward.

[Big Cat]

That's Jalen.

[Hank]

That's a fortune cookie.

[PFT Commenter]

That's Jalen Hurts.

[Max]

That's also every coach.

[PFT Commenter]

You're just saying football right now, the game. I'll just give you all this fortune cookie quotes this week. He said you learned from all your experiences. He said, accept the challenges when they come in. Master the things that take no talent. That's a good fortune cookie, that one. I'll give you a good one. That's a good fortune cookie. He said, nothing is as good or bad as it appears. That's a good one.

[Big Cat]

That's also not true.

[PFT Commenter]

It's also a fortune cookie.

[Big Cat]

There's some things that was a fortune cookie that are just one in. Okay. I was going to say there are some things that are just as bad as they appear.

[PFT Commenter]

Control the things you can and move forward. That's a Jalen hurts.

[Max]

That's also every coach in America.

[PFT Commenter]

Take advantages of your opportunities when they come. That's such a fortune cookie.

[Max]

Also such a.

[PFT Commenter]

Every coach in America that's Jalen hurts and hope to influence people in the best ways.

[Big Cat]

These are just.

[PFT Commenter]

No, if we're being honest, I have the one, but I'm just giving you the. I just had. Those are.

[Max]

You have to admit every single thing you just said is in every press conference in every football room in the country.

[Big Cat]

I was going to say that all those things that big Cat just said, those are all true.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This is good advice.

[PFT Commenter]

He said, are you talking about that I just keep my focus on the collective?

[Max]

Yes. That's the one that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You thought that was a fortune.

[Max]

Well, in talks of A.J. brown, he was like, Are you focused on what A.J. brown is doing? And he's like, I'm focused on the collective.

[Big Cat]

So that's a no. That's a hard.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That he gave to what?

[PFT Commenter]

The collective. Just keep your focus on the collective.

[Big Cat]

The team. The team. The team. Max. Good news, though. You're wearing some cool jerseys this weekend.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Kelly Green.

[Zach Martin]

Kelly.

[Max]

That's a great point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It doesn't matter.

[Max]

Can't lose everything. The Kelly Green.

[Big Cat]

Everything's better in the Kelly. Like, A.J. brown's going to put on his uniform, be like, yeah, this is awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I love Goldberg. Saquon's going to go off the Kelly Greens. They're 4. 0 in the Kelly Green since bringing them back. The Giants. On the other hand, the big question with the Giants is how do you get off the mat after what happened on Sunday? This is the test of can they keep moving in the right direction? Because it was a historical loss to the Broncos. Jackson, Darton, Cam, Scatter, Boo have obviously been electric. The Giants Defense was good for 3/4, was great for 3/4. Some questionable coaching that. This is where it's less about the Giants losing the game because the losses happen. It's more do the Giants players still trust that their coaching staff is putting them in the best spot to win? Because you had Dable Duke go pretty conservative in the fourth quarter on the offensive side. They did the rush three drop eight at the end of the game. So those are the, the, the thoughts that creep in or like, hey, are these guys doing the right things when you have a loss like that? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

After the game we saw Brian Burns going through the hallway just like screaming out. I think that that should be a, a no cell phones policy in the tunnel right after a game.

[PFT Commenter]

Although I kind of like that he said it.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah. I don't mind that he said it. But then it got turned into like, does he hate his coaching? Does he hate the team?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

How mad is this guy?

[PFT Commenter]

Mad?

[Big Cat]

I think that's fine for him to like any human being would do that. But the fact that it was recorded, I don't like that it was recorded. Let the boys have a little bit of a safe space right after a tough loss. But he, he clarified. He said. What I was referring to is the fact that we called it a call specifically to take away that play and the fact that Knicks wasn't even trying to throw it to Mims and it just so happened to be completed. It was kind of like disbelief.

[PFT Commenter]

That is true.

[Big Cat]

He was, bro. There's no way that we dropped 8 and we still couldn't stop that ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Bonix was not trying to throw to Mims in that play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So he was, he was not. He said that he was not frustrated by the call itself, by the play call, but he was rather upset that they had the perfect play call and somehow it still worked.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So Max, overall, you feel good?

[Max]

I feel. I feel good. Ish. I'm worried about, I'm worried about Cam Jurgens. Our offensive line looked really bad after Cam Juergens went out last week. It looks like he's probably not going to play again this week. And the Giants defensive line is very good. I would like to establish the run. And the way our offensive line looked after Jurgens went down does not look like we're going to be, be able to do that.

[Big Cat]

Can I push?

[Max]

Who knows? Maybe they'll make some adjustments in practice.

[Big Cat]

I like saying like, we got to establish the run. That's a good football. That's a great football thing to say. We Just haven't been able to establish the run. But I. If you, if you look at where Saquon's getting his best rushes, they are, they're establishing the run. They're just not following through on the good point. They're just abandoning the establishment of the run.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They're setting up like a temporary colony and they're. They're carving a name on a tree and everyone's like, oh, a monster took over this colony. Where did it all go? They had 5.1 yards per carry with Saquon in the first quarter all season. That's the season total. Second quarter, 3.8 yards per carry. Third quarter, 3.4 yards per carry. Fourth quarter, 1.4 yards per carry. So it gets worse and worse and worse as the game goes on. I think you guys do a good job of establishing the run, but maybe you got to. You might have to wait to establish the run.

[Max]

Yeah, we have to be better at the run.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

Establishing the run was. Was probably the wrong term.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, this just idea we have part of my cheesesteak. Do you think we could figure out a way to do football fortune cookies with. Pardon my cheesesteak. Imagine if you get a fortune cookie and you open it up, it says, make sure you establish the run.

[Big Cat]

A fortune.

[PFT Commenter]

Heat up the quarterback.

[Big Cat]

What about a fortune Cheesesteak fortune.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. I don't know what that is.

[Max]

You just put paper in the middle.

[PFT Commenter]

In the middle.

[Big Cat]

Giant foot long piece of.

[PFT Commenter]

Of paper, dude. But fortune fortune cookies that are just football cliches. Not the Jalen hurts football cliches, but just, you know, you got to be able to win. You got to be able to rush forward and win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're gonna have to pin your ears back today.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Dial something up.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't forget to take the check down.

[Big Cat]

Defense has to fly around out there.

[PFT Commenter]

We should do that.

[Big Cat]

When you say, I don't know how.

[PFT Commenter]

How it worked, but I'm down to sell fortune. Football fortune cookies. Why did.

[Big Cat]

Why did cookies become the thing that you put a fortune in? Like before you have dessert, they should be in condoms.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

A fortune condom like you sure you want. Hey, you sure really make sure you put this on. Yeah, don't. Don't take this off.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Fortune cookies. We. We need to get football fortune cookies, Hank. But you can get on that, right?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Love that. We've got some amazing merch, by the way. Dropping for Black Friday. Some true. Like the fortune cookie idea is great. We've got a product that I think I'm. I'm more excited about than any other product that we've ever sold.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd agree.

[Big Cat]

The next iteration of the car stick.

[Zach Martin]

I'd agree.

[Big Cat]

And better. It is not true.

[PFT Commenter]

It is. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The best thing that I've ever not.

[PFT Commenter]

Way better. Way better. Way better.

[Hank]

Do not. Do not put it in the same category as a car.

[PFT Commenter]

It's in a different tier.

[Big Cat]

That it is.

[Hank]

0 has 0.

[PFT Commenter]

If this item goes up against a car stick, this item wins 100 times out of all.

[Zach Martin]

See?

[Big Cat]

We'll see.

[Hank]

By sales.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. We will see, buddy.

[Zach Martin]

We'll see.

[PFT Commenter]

We will see, buddy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Car stick products for years.

[PFT Commenter]

We will see.

[Big Cat]

It is Blake's favorite thing in the entire world.

[PFT Commenter]

Would you make a bet? Would you like to make a bet?

[Hank]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Because you know it's going to dominate the car still.

[Hank]

I don't actually think it will.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it will.

[Big Cat]

The other day, Blake humped it, and I sprinted out of the room to grab my phone to take a video of it, and he was done with it by the time I got back.

[Zach Martin]

Weirdo.

[Hank]

Dude.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I am.

[Hank]

You wanted to film your dog humping something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It was very funny.

[Max]

I don't know why you're getting so defensive.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's very.

[PFT Commenter]

Buzzer. I thought you were. Hit him with the buzzer.

[Big Cat]

I thought you were the producer of this podcast. You should want this product to do well financially. Be great for.

[Hank]

I do. I'm just saying. You're.

[PFT Commenter]

You're.

[Hank]

Don't. Don't say it's the next iteration of the car stick when it's not.

[Big Cat]

Sorry for trying to make a viral advertisement out of our product. To me.

[PFT Commenter]

Advertise.

[Hank]

What do you t. To generate.

[Big Cat]

To generate money for the show.

[Hank]

Advertisement.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. It's better.

[Big Cat]

It's better. It's the best thing.

[PFT Commenter]

And fortune. Football. Fortune cookies. We got to do it. No one steal that idea. We're going to do it. Pardon my cheesesteak. Because it's also just ridiculous to get a cheesesteak and then have a fortune cookie attached. I'm in. Before we get to the rest of the games, football season is here. And whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff, there's one ride that's always game ready. Chevy Silverado. The Chevy Silverado is a longtime partner. Pardon my take. And our favorite truck. And it's all about grit. From job site to tailgate, Silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task. Built for the hustle. Ready for the game. Silverado is America's most dependable full size truck. For J.D. power 2025 award information, visit jdpower.comawards Head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy Silverado today. Okay, next up, we got Bears at Ravens. Ravens minus six and a half. It's bounced around a little because Lamar. I think it went to five and a half. Then Lamar came out for practice, went back to six and a half.

[Big Cat]

Lamar video from earlier this week.

[PFT Commenter]

No, the over under is 49 and a half, by the way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What was Lamar video?

[Big Cat]

So Lamar, I guess it was during his off week or as he was rehabbing, trying to get his hamstring ready. A video came out of him ordering food at, like, a food truck down in Miami, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

And we always say, every year, Lamar, we'll miss like three practices. Because his butt sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because he's got some butt issues. This is the greasiest meal that I've ever seen. It looks delicious. Don't get me wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

Was it a recent video?

[Big Cat]

It's a recent video. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because that's been happening to Caleb. They've. There was a video of him getting. Going into a club in Miami and people were like, wow, I can't believe. Went to a club in Miami in the middle of the football.

[Big Cat]

I saw that with it with like three models. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Six months ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, awesome video.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Very cool video. But no, this is. This is a recent video. He's getting the greasiest meal that you've ever seen. It looks delicious. It looks like something I would absolutely love to eat while I was really, really stoned. But Lamar getting this just makes me a little bit worried about his butt as he's recovering. I don't know that that stomach can handle what's going on, but I. To me, the real story of this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Is the ping pong battle.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

We're engaged. We've got a cold war of ping pong battles going on right now.

[PFT Commenter]

It's making me very nervous.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The Ravens removed their ping pong tables, the pinball machine from the locker room.

[PFT Commenter]

Sorry about that.

[Big Cat]

It's time to focus. Harbaugh said that it caught him off guard. Harbaugh said that he found out from the team equipment manager that they had been removed. And they said that it was actually. They said that the vets did it, that the. The players said, hey, this is time to take a stand. It's time to get all the fun and games out.

[Hank]

Well, the vets are probably. Don't play losers.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I have a hard and fast rule when a team removes a ping pong table from I mean that that means they're ready to win or if they add one or if they add one. And then the what I didn't like. So I was already nervous because the Ravens removed the ping pong table from their facility. What makes you really nervous is then the Bears poked fun at it. The Bears did an ad read where I think it was TJ Edwards and Tremaine Edmonds playing ping pong, playing all kinds of games. You can't poke. You can't poke at a team getting serious and removing a ping pong table.

[Big Cat]

The old saying, you can't poke the raven.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I don't know, I don't know where I'm going into this game thinking the Ravens might kill the Bears. Okay.

[Big Cat]

You've been saying that for a couple of weeks.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been saying it for a couple weeks. I the gateway of everything I've said has been prophetic.

[Big Cat]

It does look like the Ravens there. We had every expectation for the Ravens. They got really injured. They had to buy it makes sense that you would think that the Ravens are going to come out and this is like the most desperate game that they have.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm praying I'm wrong, but I've been, I think I've been very level headed about the Bears this year. That's mostly because Ben Johnson's the coach and that that was a big question because the Bears are actually at the exact same spot they were last year, 4 and 2. The difference is we have Ben Johnson as a coach and not Matt Dweber.

[Zach Martin]

Fluss.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm very honest about the Bears. They are working their way into trying to become a good team. They also are taking the ball away at an insane pace that will sustainable. So what will it look like when they don't get a bunch of interceptions? I think it was 15 takeaways in the last four games. You can't expect that every single week. So I'm coming into this game very nervous that it could be a whomping. I'm hoping I'm wrong. I'm hoping Caleb plays his ass off. The Ravens have gotten healthier on defense. Kyle Hamilton, Roquan a bunch of guys back. Marlon Humphrey I think was sick but he's back. This is, I'm nervous about this game. I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm bracing. I'm basically going into this game in a, in a fetal position ready for the worst ex hoping for the best.

[Big Cat]

Something good could happen. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Cooper Rush could play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And if. If you don't win, then you were just right all along. Makes you feel good about yourself.

[PFT Commenter]

I would. I'll probably take the Bears plus six and a half. I just. This is a desperate team. It's a debt. Like, this is the point in the season when you have desperate teams trying to win games and desperate teams. You know, it's just a different. A different animal.

[Big Cat]

Is Cole Comet playing?

[PFT Commenter]

I believe so. Although our. Our injury report was extensive on Wednesday. Yeah, extensive.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, if Cole Comet doesn't play that. Could that be a good thing?

[PFT Commenter]

It could. We haven't been targeting a lot of tight ends, period, because I know there's a. There's a cold war going on about, you know, the Bears passing on Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren's been awesome. Tyler Warren has had 45 targets. Colson Loveland has had 13. So he's just. They're not being asked to do the same thing. I'm gonna wait a little bit longer to say that that was a complete miss, because when Colson Loveland has been asked to catch the ball, he's done some nice things.

[Big Cat]

So I don't think it'd be a good thing if. I'm not saying that, like, Cole Comet stinks. I'm just saying at least you know what you have in Colson if you're forced to throw the ball to him a little bit. And this probably isn't the week for, like, let's see what we got in Colson leveling. Yeah, this is. This is the week for run the football. This is all hands on deck.

[PFT Commenter]

Run the football. They haven't been able to stop the run, run the football. Also, Marlon Humphreys sickness. He tweeted the day before he was out of practice for an illness. He said, should I do a glizzy taste tour around the country one day? 50 states, 50 glizzies. He definitely was eating a hot dog when he said that. He definitely got sick from it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he also. He's had some bad food takes recently.

[PFT Commenter]

Has he? I like that he's out there making tea.

[Big Cat]

He. Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. But this is what he said on October 20. I guess this was the day before the glizzy taste test had to be said. But boneless wings are way better.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, they're. They're. They're chicken nuggets. I. I'm. I am not someone who goes against boneless wings, because I do think there's a time in place for boneless Wings, but they're not better.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Wings. Wings are not boneless. Wings have bones in them.

[PFT Commenter]

But. But bones.

[Big Cat]

It's big nugget that's trying to.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Make themselves seem like they're as cool as chicken wings. You'll never be as cool as chicken wings.

[PFT Commenter]

Boneless buffalo wings, though. There is a time and place where it hits the spot where, like, hey, I don't want to get messy. I don't want to have things in my teeth. I just want to have some buffalo sauce and some chicken.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

In the easiest way possible. Still bones. Bone in or better. Those are wings.

[Big Cat]

It's the mocktail of chicken.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's like. Yeah. It's different. Just call it juice. I'm having juice.

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes you'd rather a blowjob than sex.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You just sit back and just kind of just sit there. You don't have to do anything. That's boneless wings.

[Big Cat]

That's boneless wings.

[PFT Commenter]

That's boneless wings. You sit back. You don't. You don't have to do anything.

[Big Cat]

I think blow jobs are way better than boneless wings. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just saying the analogy of, like, you know, it's hard when you. Sex is awesome. When you. When you eat wings, it's awesome. But you also got to go. You got to do some work.

[Big Cat]

You got to go bone in.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to go do. You got to do some work. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You go bone in.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to make some moves. Blowjob and boneless wings. You can kind of just sit back and enjoy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Especially you got, like, little ranch sauce.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm a blue cheese guy.

[Big Cat]

Cut into.

[PFT Commenter]

I like.

[Big Cat]

I like ranch with boneless. I like blue cheese with bone in. Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Switching up, switch back.

[Big Cat]

That's where I go.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah. Do you guys think the Bears have a chance this game or you're not hungry dog and bears. You are.

[Zach Martin]

I'm not.

[Hank]

I'm thinking about it. There's. Like I said, the hungry dog is not set in stone. Probably won't be till Saturday. But the Bears are on the big board for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a measuring stick game.

[Hank]

Underdogs are, in fairness, but the Bears are one of them.

[PFT Commenter]

I will say if Lamar plays and plays well and the Bears somehow win this game, we might be moving on from six out of 10.

[Big Cat]

The tough thing, though, is if you guys win this game, then every. The story is just going to be the Ravens are broken. Yeah. Like, it's time to stop leaving the Ravens. They're just not good. But, yeah, this is A big time. I guess we're going to see. We're just. We're going to learn a lot about the Chicago Bears this week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would agree. And I'm not going to overreact. If we get killed, it's like, okay, the Ravens are desperate and need to win every game and they got healthy. So in Ben Johnson. I trust Ben Johnson. That's where it's different than last year, where I don't think the wheels are just going to fall off. Did you guys see how much Ben Johnson clicks his pen during a game?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy. He's clicking. I don't know. Someone made a super cut of him clicking his pen. He's just clicking the whole time. I like it.

[Big Cat]

Pen Johnson.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's ready to go. There also is Wiener Circle did say that they will give free hot dogs to the entire city if Ben Johnson goes shirtless at any point during the season. I want to see him shirtless. I think he's a hot guy.

[Big Cat]

He's jacked up.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's a good looking dude and I would like to see what he's looking, working with. Can you. Can you play it sound. He's just clicking.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's just got very active thumbs. I like that. He's got to just stay.

[Big Cat]

You gotta have something.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta stay busy.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Next game. Speaking of desperate teams. So similar to what I just said about the Ravens, I'm going to do the same thing or I'm not going to bet the Ravens. But I have the same thoughts about the 49ers going to the Texans. Texans minus one and a half over under, I believe is hovering around 41 and a half. Let me just make sure 41 and a half Texans are desperate. They need to win a game.

[Big Cat]

I smell a rat with this line.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Why? Because it's making me want to bet the 49ers so badly.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh. See, I like the Texans in this game. Not, obviously not because of their offense. Nico Collins might be out. Christian Kirk might be out. I don't know who they're going to throw to. They basically have a bunch of Iowa State guys they're going to throw to. I'm more going to bet the Texans because their defense is the best unit on the field. And the 49ers, Mac Jones looks good, but this is a, this is a different defense. This is a top defense. And so I think they could maybe find a way to win this game with their defense. And the 49ers continue to get injured. They obviously Lost Fred Warner, they obviously lost Bosa. They now lost Huff. How, how are the 49ers going to take advantage of the Texans weakness, which is their offensive line?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, it's a, it's a fair point. And the Texans offense that we just saw on Monday night, that is, that's as bad as it can be, I think. And the fact that it was a national game, it was standalone, it made everybody really have to focus on the Texans offense collectively for like two and a half hours. Right. And we have a very, very bad taste in our mouth for that. So that's what I'm thinking about when I see the 49ers who are, I think that they're, they're like the best version of a super injured team that you could possibly be right now. Yeah, they're. They might actually be the team that's going to get healthy at the right time. And I think that the Niners. Is this, is this the stat that every year that they're five and two, they get to the Super Bowl?

[PFT Commenter]

I, I know that they get to at least the NFC Championship game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, at least, at least the NFC Championship. And because they've lost a couple of those, they might. Obviously with Fred Warner, that's an injury that's gonna, it's going to stick around for the entire season. But they've got some guys that will get healthy later on in the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Brock Purdy. Soft benching.

[Big Cat]

Soft benching.

[PFT Commenter]

Soft benching. Is it the soft benching?

[Big Cat]

I think Mac Jones is in danger of being soft bench when Brock Purdy comes back.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll see. This is, it's if, if Mac Jones wins this game. Are we sure the right guys playing quarterback in the fourth?

[Big Cat]

I'm not, I'm not gonna abandon Brock Purdy.

[PFT Commenter]

I just want to do it so bad.

[Big Cat]

The thing here's one thing I know about Big Cat is he watches a fair amount of college football. But your takes in college football, it's really impossible to get your college football takes out of your head once those guys become professional football players. And so for the last three years you've been thinking, yeah, but Brock. I saw a lot of Brock Purdy at Iowa State.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's a good quarterback. I'm just saying Mac Jones has been playing well and it's. Do you. Is Brock Purdy. He's good. He's good.

[Big Cat]

You want to say system qb?

[PFT Commenter]

No. Well, I mean Mac Jones also. I think Kyle Shanahan is the, is the common denominator in all of this.

[Big Cat]

I think because I've been. I've been looking at this situation for the last couple weeks and I keep saying Brock Purdy, the knock against him is system qb. The knock against Mac Jones is game manager. So you've got a system qb, but.

[PFT Commenter]

He hasn't been game first.

[Big Cat]

Game manager. I feel like system QB is slightly higher in the hierarchy of quarterback tiers.

[PFT Commenter]

But Mac Jones hasn't been game managing. They've been asking him to throw a decent amount. He's not like there's games. The game against the. The Rams, that was the opposite of game management.

[Big Cat]

They had.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That was the only 49 times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Threw it 39 times against the Bucks. Threw 41 times against the Cardinals. I don't think Mac Jones is a game manager. I think here's my final answer. Both quarterbacks are fine. The it's okay to be a system quarter quarterback when Kyle Shanahan is a system.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. I would put Brock Purdy still above Matt.

[PFT Commenter]

I would too. But the system rocks.

[Big Cat]

That's a great system. Kyle Shanahan is a system coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Just saying.

[Big Cat]

It's the last name. If you're a Shanahan, you know how to run an offense.

[PFT Commenter]

Mac Jones has been playing pretty well. He's 4 and 1. He's 4 and 1 with the 49ers.

[Big Cat]

I'm choosing to take a big picture perspective about the 49ers and I'm reluctantly believing in the 49ers this season.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, I think they're a very good team and if they can get healthy, they'll be definitely in the mix for the nfc.

[Big Cat]

Tamiko Ryan's coach against the Niners for the first time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Since he's become a head coach. That'll be fun. I don't think it's a revenge game, though. I think I feel like all of Kyle Shanahan's former defensive coordinators are on good terms because at some point you might have to come home.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Do you want to do a quick blind Resume?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Last 17 starts, 26 QB1, 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions, 87 passer rating, QB2. 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 83.9 passer rating.

[Big Cat]

I would take QB1.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. QB1 is Bryce Young. QB2 is C.J. stroud.

[Big Cat]

I like that. I like that we're having a conversation. I like that we're having the conversation.

[PFT Commenter]

Good blind resume. Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I. I did not sell my Bryce coin.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

I held.

[PFT Commenter]

You're in Bryces.

[Big Cat]

We might be going. I am a card carry member of Bryces. I. We might be going to the moon. This feels like we're going to the moon.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And. And we had to listen to all, you know, the. Did the. How badly did the Panthers up by taking Bryce over cj? I never heard us talk about that on this show, but other people have, and now it's. It's time for Bryce.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. Afternoon games. We have the Bucks going to the Saints. Saints plus four and a half. How you feeling, Zach? How you feeling? You need a bounce back after that Monday night game, which was not a fun watch for Bucks fans over under 40, six and a half.

[Zach Onto]

I feel good about it. Division game. Baker was in the press conference earlier this week talking about how Saints, you know, play a little.

[PFT Commenter]

Not.

[Zach Onto]

I'm not gonna say play dirty, but play a little unnecessarily aggressive.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He said it hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we play him. Not much else to say besides the. The fact that I don't like him.

[Zach Onto]

And I like when he goes into games with the grudge. He plays well with the grudge. This sounded like he found something to play for. We need to bounce back. Let's bounce back real high.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I'm going to read the injury report from yesterday to you guys. I want to get your feedback on this. Bucks quarterback Baker Mayfield was officially limited in practice today because of a knee injury. Backup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, parentheses teeth, did not practice. What's wrong with Teddy's teeth?

[PFT Commenter]

Did you get wisdom teeth removed?

[Big Cat]

Maybe wisdom teeth removal?

[Zach Onto]

Maybe he went veneers, new smile?

[Big Cat]

Did he go grill?

[PFT Commenter]

He got a cavity?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. But that concerns me that your backup quarterback is missing practice because.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

Like, you got to schedule your dentist appointment outside of practice.

[PFT Commenter]

He says. Okay, so brutal teeth injury is what I just saw the headline. I'm trying to find exactly what happened, but you never want to see brutal teeth injury. I don't know if that was a joke.

[Zach Onto]

Teeth injuries are also always some of the most unsettling injuries.

[Big Cat]

They are? Yeah. Hockey player wouldn't miss practice.

[PFT Commenter]

A brutal teeth injury.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Rare malady. Okay, here we go. Backup quarterback Teddy Bridgewater did not practice at all yesterday, just two days after he made his Bucks debut on Monday night. Taking a knee to kill. Killed the clock. The reason the Bucks gave his teeth. And then. Do we have what? We don't have any. What happened to him?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, what happened to his teeth? What's up with Teddy's teeth?

[Max]

I don't think there's an answer to his teeth.

[PFT Commenter]

Bridgewater has some sort of dental issue that prevented him from taking snaps in a jocks and socks practice.

[Big Cat]

Because this seems like.

[Hank]

Fuck.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that what jocks?

[Big Cat]

Probably just like, you know, shells and shorts. But you can't. You can't schedule a dentist appointment like teeth cleaning during a practice.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Right.

[Big Cat]

Like if we were taking part of my take and Hank made a dentist appointment for Sunday night. It's like, that's the one. Any other time of the week, it's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Infected root canal. That's bad.

[Big Cat]

That's bad.

[PFT Commenter]

That's really bad.

[Big Cat]

So we had to get that drained.

[PFT Commenter]

That's really bad.

[Zach Onto]

So he went. Maybe went to a shady dentist.

[Big Cat]

Someone who get. Yeah, anyone who could get him in the door.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, okay. See that mouth, Teddy?

[Zach Onto]

I think the dental industry needs to be studied. But that's for another time.

[Big Cat]

Go on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, please.

[Big Cat]

Now it's down.

[Zach Onto]

It just feels like. It just feels like the dentist. You go in and you leave with more problems than you had going in every time. And I don't know, it just. And they pop up everywhere. New, you see a new building getting built. You're like, maybe that's a Starbucks. Maybe that's a La Quinta. And notes. Always a dentist office.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I think Zach's going off of a story I told him about the last time I went to the dentist. I went in, my teeth are feeling completely fine. They said I had a couple cavities. I walked out, my teeth hurt. My teeth hurt for a couple months. And then I went back in and I was like, hey, I think something happened when you filled these cavities. My teeth hurt. And they're like, nah, they're fine. So Zach has been on the case about this.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

It's in there.

[PFT Commenter]

He's your actually brother's keeper.

[Big Cat]

It's in their best interest to keep you in pain. Pain to keep you coming back.

[Max]

It's. It is interesting because it is. I, I. They felt fine. I got cavities. Then they hurt. After they filled the cavities, how much did you eat?

[PFT Commenter]

Just regular. Yeah, just regular, which is too much because I. I am regular.

[Big Cat]

The standard candy.

[Max]

Yeah, normal candy.

[PFT Commenter]

The normal, like, two to three candies a day.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Little ones, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

No, it's on a two to three king size.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They try to take away your treats.

[PFT Commenter]

You're allowed that.

[Max]

Little ones don't even really count.

[PFT Commenter]

Agreed. They're. They're nothing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're fun.

[Max]

They're just little.

[PFT Commenter]

I kind of like the Saints in this game.

[Big Cat]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Division opponent at home getting points.

[Big Cat]

That's really it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I, I, it's one of those games I don't want to think too hard about. Because if I think too hard about it, it's going to be like you're betting Spencer Rattler against Baker Mayfield. That was stupid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I'm just gonna wash my brain of everything and just say, oh, it's a divisional game at home.

[Big Cat]

Plus points. I miss Bucky. Yeah, bring back Bucky.

[PFT Commenter]

He also is looking kind of skinny.

[Big Cat]

Bucky is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got a. Did you see those pictures?

[Big Cat]

No, I didn't see those.

[Zach Onto]

On his feet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, maybe he's light on his feet. Find the Bucky pictures. He's looking a little. He looked a little skinny in a picture I saw. You just search Bucky skinny. I feel like that's not gonna Bucky Irving. That doesn't look skinny.

[Big Cat]

He's jacked up.

[PFT Commenter]

He looked jacked up there.

[Big Cat]

All right, there it is. That one.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It might be a bad angle.

[PFT Commenter]

That picture does make him look a little skinny.

[Big Cat]

I think it's bad angle.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Taken from above. I'm still, I'm more concerned with Billie Eilish choice of background music that he put on his Instagram story.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. By the way, I did a bad job. I skipped a game.

[Big Cat]

Is he trying to be the bad guy? Is that. Bucky's not the bad guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Billy a bad guy. Bad girl.

[Hank]

That's one of her songs.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I knew that.

[Hank]

It's a good song.

[Big Cat]

I'm the bad guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Duh. I did a bad job. I skipped a game early. So we got to go backwards. Bills at Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Panthers are plus seven and a half. Josh Allen and the Bills, last time we saw them, they did not look good. On Monday Night Football against the Falcons, they had a bye week over under 46 and a half. Are we trusting the Panthers at home with Andy Dalton soft benching Bryce Young?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not. I think this is, this is going to be good week for Josh Allen. I did see a, a crazy stat that went around earlier this week. Josh Allen passed touchdowns of 20 plus air yards from 2020 to 2023. He had 27 of those passes. Tied for third in the NFL since 2024. So the last season and a half, he's had one.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

Which is tied for 37th. Meaning that there's what, four or five backup quarterbacks that have more than one. Oh, so not necessarily a bad Josh Allen stat, but maybe a bad Bill's wide receiver. Stat. Maybe a bad Joe Brady stat, but if you're winning football games, it doesn't really matter, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

In fact, it might be better to just hang on to the football, go on long drives and then score touchdowns. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Then score that one.

[Big Cat]

Than to score really fast. Yeah. But it's still. It's an interesting stat because, yeah, obviously you can point at that and be like, Diggs kind of made a difference in this offense. Having. Having a guy that you trust to throw the ball downfield to does make a difference in terms of the explosiveness, which if you're playing from behind, you need that ability. But if you're playing with lead, not necessarily.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm. So I want to take the Panthers, but then I saw a story that Josh Allen's grandmother called him and said, I just want to see you smile.

[Big Cat]

He's going to do it for grandma.

[PFT Commenter]

He's gonna smile for Grandma.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Grandma.

[PFT Commenter]

Grandma game. The grandma narrative is very important. If you're thinking about betting on Sunday, just. Just see who's checked in with their grandmother at any point. Because that feels important, doesn't it?

[Big Cat]

It feels very important. Like you. You will do anything. You will go to the ends of the earth to make Nana smile.

[PFT Commenter]

Last two times the Blue Jays have gone to the World Series, the Bills have gone to the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's cool. How'd that end up good for the Blue Jays? Yeah. Good for the Blue Jay Carter.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you see too Dave Canales talking about Robert Hunt, his offensive interior offensive lineman who's on the ir. He said guys that believe that they heal fast heal fast.

[Big Cat]

It's true.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Power, positive thinking.

[PFT Commenter]

You gotta. You gotta say you're gonna heal fast, then you heal fast.

[Big Cat]

It's only a scratch. Yeah. Fun stat about Sean McDermott.

[Zach Onto]

8.

[Big Cat]

No after the buy.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So that, that actually good for the Bills. It feels relevant and for whatever hot streak that the Panthers are on with the meow mix stuff that is also very closely tied in with. With Bryce.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So I. I don't know Andy Dalton's that he could show up and look like Flacco or he could show up and look like Flacco.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The bad one.

[PFT Commenter]

Jets Flacco.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Panthers would be smart to not have Andy Dalton throw it very much in this game because the Bills, the spine of their defense is not good. They've been run on a lot. Maybe they fixed it in the buy. You have Rico Dowdle just run the ball. And if you're the. A Bills fan, I think this is a game. You have to kind of treat it like a get right game. Let's see something out of the boys. Let's get back on track.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think this, this might be the weekend that, that the Bill's defense looks alive.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I think they start to turn around.

[PFT Commenter]

Andy Dalton could help that and he could help that very much help that. Okay. Afternoon. We already talked about the Bucks and the Falcon or, sorry, the Bucks and the Saints. Let's go. Cowboys, Broncos. I'm excited for this game because the Cowboys are top five watch in the NFL right now because of their offense and how good it is. So Cowboys, Broncos. Broncos are three and a half point favorites.

[Big Cat]

Over.

[PFT Commenter]

Under is 50 and a half. I think we already knew this, but Sean Payton really, really hates Russell Wilson.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Really hates him.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

So he said this week. What was the exact quote? It was something like I just told Brian Dable, I hope that you don't make the switch.

[Big Cat]

It was along the lines of I was hoping to not have to face Jackson Dart.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because I think he's a really good quarterback and he sucks. And then Russ saw that, responded. It's. It's not a secret that Russ sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The fact that Russ fired back, though, that hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think that was the time. Do you think Russ finally realized, oh, he didn't like me?

[Big Cat]

No. I think he's known. But Russ has tried to be the, the good soldier.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Afterwards. And now that he's been. She's. I. I don't have anything left to play for.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Might as well. But also, Russ, you have to know that you suck now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, it's been bad.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been really.

[Big Cat]

It's been very bad for the last two seasons. And there's no chance that you think that you're still the old Russ Wilson.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he definitely does, I don't think. I think at this point in his head, he definitely thinks he's still a Russ Wilson.

[Big Cat]

I think at this point, he knows.

[PFT Commenter]

No, guys like that, Guys like that.

[Big Cat]

Rusty knows.

[PFT Commenter]

Guys like that. They, they, they still think it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, I have, I have a bet in this game. I love you. Ready for it? Longest field goal made over 53 and a half. Posted it. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Brandon Aubrey in Mile High. I mean, they attempt a 70 yarder.

[Big Cat]

What is the, what are the odds on that?

[PFT Commenter]

It is minus 110.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm gonna take that. Yeah. I'm gonna hammer that one. Brandon Aubrey, he. He might kick from 75.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

Let me try from 80.

[PFT Commenter]

Might as well just around and do it. I do kind of like first round pick.

[Big Cat]

He would be a first round pick if he makes an 80 yard field.

[PFT Commenter]

I like the Cowboys in this game just because of the Broncos are just a around team. They've been around too much. So when you give me three and a half, I'll take it and be like, guess what? The Broncos are probably going to win but they're going to fuck around. They're not. They're not. It's not going to be clean. They're going to fuck around. So yeah, I kind of like the Cowboys in this game. Are they in the hungry dog?

[Hank]

The hungry dog is not set.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

You keep asking that and I keep saying it.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I mean we'd like it to be at least a little bit set for the people.

[Max]

Throw a couple, throw a couple names out there.

[PFT Commenter]

We're doing a show, people.

[Big Cat]

I've been saying I, I've been saying.

[Hank]

The teams that I like, I don't like to pick on Thursday. Like do you have your Sunday picks all locked in?

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You literally make me do that on advisors every single Wednesday.

[Hank]

No, you pick five games and that's for advisors.

[Big Cat]

The Cowboys are going to be part of it though. Yeah, Bears.

[Hank]

I like the jets, but that one's hard to, hard to wrap your head around. I like the Giants, but. But like there's this biased thinking that I only pick against the Eagles. That's not true. But I love the Giants. I like the Saints, but that one seems crazy. I like the Titans, but that seems crazy. I like the Cowboys.

[PFT Commenter]

The Titans. Will you do.

[Max]

I can tell you right now it's going to be Giants, Cowboys, Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what it's going to be.

[Hank]

It's the, the, the Giants aren't beating the Eagles twice.

[PFT Commenter]

Like that's not going to happen. No, that's just not going to happen.

[Big Cat]

I agree with that.

[Hank]

As much as I wanted to, I don't think it's going to.

[Big Cat]

To. Yeah. Do you remember?

[PFT Commenter]

But like the Titans.

[Hank]

Titans. Jets would be the craziest hungry dog of all time. But that was my gut. I did bet it for a little bit myself. But that just. I can't do that to the people.

[Big Cat]

Titans. Exactly.

[Hank]

Exactly.

[Big Cat]

Exactly. Why? Exactly why exactly. Is there a good reason? Is there not. Let me take. Is there a reason?

[Hank]

It's the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Y fair.

[PFT Commenter]

It is the NFL.

[Hank]

Daniel Jones. Everyone's out. You know, Daniel Jones, mvp, Colts one number one seed. Like this happens every year. We talk about it Every year, there's always these games where they never should lose this game, and somehow they do. It's like how the. Did you know when we're talking in. Yes. And also.

[Big Cat]

Yes, I have a question.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, also.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

So you're betting on the Titans for Really? I have no. No reason whatsoever. Can I finish my question? Let me finish my question. Shut the up correctly and yes. Shut the. Upper the back. Turn his mic off. Max cut his mic up. I did not cut the man's mic off explicitly.

[Hank]

Say I'm fighting the Titans, Hank.

[Big Cat]

I just said I had a question I was called on. Well, yeah. And then you get to ask question.

[PFT Commenter]

If he's been called on.

[Hank]

Speak facts correctly.

[Big Cat]

I did not slander. I told you to shut the up. That's a statement. It's a demand.

[Hank]

That was not what I was.

[Big Cat]

That's not slander. Does the fact that you're betting.

[PFT Commenter]

Your an me.

[Big Cat]

And that's what we're doing now. Learn our lesson.

[Hank]

Yeah. Okay.

[Zach Martin]

Why.

[Max]

When else did he aunt you?

[Big Cat]

Oh, in the. In the golf video that. That Hank and I had. We were playing for $6,000. It was a big match. The match people were calling it.

[Max]

Where can people watch that?

[Big Cat]

They can watch on the part of my take. YouTube. Yep. And great job with the editing on that. And then on the third hole, I believe, shout out, pug. On the third hole, I was putting for par, putting for my four. And Hank, I believe, was sitting on a five or maybe a six. I think it was a six.

[Hank]

Yeah, probably. And.

[Big Cat]

And Hank, after I said, I'm putting for. I've got two putts to win this. Hank goes, what are you hitting right now? I said a four. And Hank goes.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Big Cat]

When I was, in fact, putting for my par. Okay, so you're hitting six.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so two putts to win it. What are you hitting? Four, par one, two.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Zach Martin]

No, it's four.

[Max]

It went right there.

[Big Cat]

Did you just buzzer me?

[Max]

Plug that. And then he hit it onto the green.

[PFT Commenter]

One.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Two.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Call me a liar watching that. And I love Hank. He's one of. You know, outside of my immediate family, he is one of the people who's closest to me in life. We've been through a lot. I don't think I've ever hated him more than in that moment.

[Big Cat]

I. I was.

[PFT Commenter]

That was. I wanted to punch you through the screen.

[Max]

That's when I texted you and was like, it's tense. Super tense.

[PFT Commenter]

I was playing for a lot.

[Hank]

Like, I. I understand And I know that I'm not the most likable person, and I like.

[Big Cat]

Especially, like, I like you.

[Hank]

I think there's situations, like, a lot of situations, like me and PFC play a lot of golf, and I would say 85 of the time. It's. It's very fun. And, like, we're having a good time, and, like, it is a fun time. And I did propose playing for this much money, but it's like, yeah, like, when we're playing for that much money, it's going to be a little more serious, and I'm probably gonna, you know, come off like an. But I don't really care because it's like, it's. We're playing for a lot of money. Like, that.

[Big Cat]

You were in psycho mode.

[Hank]

The. The running over the ball thing, that was just funny. Like, that's where it's like. I also think people take me too seriously when it's like, yeah, no, like, you got to play it. You ran over it. That was just.

[Big Cat]

But you wanted me to play.

[Hank]

Yeah, obviously. But, like, I did.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we took you too seriously. But also you meant it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. Listen, Hank, I. I was not upset.

[PFT Commenter]

No. And that's. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because I. I knew that Hank was, like, locked into a different zone. Hank was in, like, super competitive psycho.

[Hank]

Mode, which goes badly for me most of the time.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's good for the viewers.

[Big Cat]

It's great for the viewers. Nothing care. Hank was actually, like. He was upset. He was pissed off. He was being a competitor. I was just there, like, this is fun. I'm having fun out here.

[Hank]

And.

[Big Cat]

But then when you at me, that put me into just more of a state of disbelief. I was like, I. I can't believe that Hank called me a liar. That he did. The sound effect. It was really a sound effect. If you had been like, are you sure? You sure you're putting four or four, or is that a five? I would have talked it over with you, but the. You. You sounded a buzzer on me.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, that was.

[Hank]

That was a mistake. Hand up. Left hand up. My bad.

[Max]

This golf video is a completely different vibe than any other one that we've ever done.

[Big Cat]

Like, it.

[Max]

There was. It wasn't very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

It was, like, real.

[Max]

It was like Hank really wanted to win that match.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It was $6,000.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

So we have.

[Big Cat]

So had that.

[Max]

Part one came out on Wednesday. The spoiler to go watch.

[PFT Commenter]

Go watch.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Zach Martin]

And then.

[Hank]

Pft.

[Max]

And then there's a second part that comes out today. So that'll Be out. If you're listening to this Friday morning, it'll be out sometime Friday afternoon.

[Big Cat]

It's not like Hank played that poorly.

[PFT Commenter]

Shut up.

[Big Cat]

I just shot a 40.

[Hank]

Yeah, no, you did.

[Big Cat]

Didn't lose a ball.

[Hank]

We'll talk about it. Fire fest.

[Max]

No spoilers.

[PFT Commenter]

No spoilers.

[Big Cat]

Okay, back to my question for Hank. Yeah, we're talking about the Colts and the Titans. Hank is betting on the Tennessee Titans for some mysterious reason, but I think that I've cracked the reason why. Hank, is it because you do not want the Colts to get the one seed in the AFC because you think that the Patriots will get the one seed and this is a key game to you guys retaining the one seed?

[Hank]

It's not a key game because it's not a game that the Colts should lose. So I would not call it a key game. But as fans, there's only so much we can do to. To propel our teams to. To the promised land. And one of those things that I think I could do is just betting against my enemies at all. At all states and facets so I can be happy if they do in fact lose. So, yes, there is a little bit of. Of that.

[Big Cat]

That's a lot of it. I'd say that's probably 100. Would you say? Well, it's like more or less than 100 of the reason.

[Hank]

It's like, you know, Baker Mayfield play Monday football. I love Baker, but then it's like, oh, he's in the MVP conversations, like, kind of hope he doesn't play as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Ooh, Colts are playing the Titans. They're obviously gonna win, but, like, what if they lose? It'd be fun to profit off that. Yeah, let's get out. Let's get on the ride.

[Big Cat]

And also point differential is one of the tiebreakers against common opponents.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And you guys just recently beat the Titans 31 to 13.

[PFT Commenter]

So the Colts are 14 point favorites. This is the last game in the afternoon. Titans at the Colts. You're going to do it. Colts are just good, man. They're just really good. I know you don't want it to be true.

[Big Cat]

No, they are the.

[Hank]

But it's Daniel Jones. Like, is he. He's good now, pumpkin. Is he. But is it like a.

[Big Cat]

Is he a pumpkin?

[Hank]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's about that he's good now season, by the way, that. That actually I saw a stat since 2015, the only other team to start 6 and 1 with a win total gambling win total of 7 and a half or under preseason. So so, yeah, expect to be a bad team. Was Daniel Jones in 2022?

[Big Cat]

No way. Good for him.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's done it before.

[Big Cat]

Good for him.

[PFT Commenter]

They went to the playoffs. They won a playoff game in Minnesota, remember?

[Big Cat]

That's right. That was a wild game.

[PFT Commenter]

Offensive TD scored this season. Jonathan Taylor, 11. The Las Vegas Raiders, 10. The Tennessee Titans, 6. 6. Offensive Jonathan Taylor has 11, the Titans have 6.

[Big Cat]

That's so depressing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is depressing. I do. I do like Cam Ward's. I saw a press conference where he asked. He asked a reporter to repeat a play call, and the reporter fucked it up. And he's like, you would have just got in. Cam Ward is like, you would have just gotten sacked. So he's at least having fun. I like that Good friend.

[Big Cat]

Like, I like everything about Cam Ward except for how he's played football.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. And the Titans in general.

[Big Cat]

And the Titans in general. I liked him last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I might like him again next year on the football field. But right now he's. He's checking every box that I want to see from a new quarterback.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Except for playing quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. He is. By the way, the col. The Titans have last beat the Colts 10, 96 days ago.

[Big Cat]

That's a long time.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a long time. That's a long time.

[Big Cat]

Does it change this weekend, Hank?

[Hank]

Probably not.

[Big Cat]

Titans money line, though.

[Hank]

Listen, it's not gonna be the Hungry Dog, but I will probably be taking it personally. The Henry dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, that's a different bet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Henry dog.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the Henry dog this week? I don't. I. I don't have him locked in.

[Hank]

Big cat.

[Zach Martin]

I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. No. But the Henry dog is something different. Correct. The Henry dog is you. The. To win. The Panthers to win against the Bills. This is the Henry dog we're talking about now. I don't have answers. You got to get the Henry dog going.

[Hank]

I will. I do.

[PFT Commenter]

Every week, no different than the Hungry Dog.

[Hank]

It's for me. It's the bets that I make.

[Big Cat]

Henry.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No.

[Hank]

Partial draftkings, sportsbook app, barstool betting group. All my picks are posted.

[Big Cat]

No, but it's a personal.

[PFT Commenter]

Henry dog is such a great bet.

[Big Cat]

We don't publicize it. It's. It's something that you do just for the love of the game.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's just like. Yeah. It's my heart. It's not. There's no. There's no like, sound, you know, betting advice that I usually go off.

[Big Cat]

It's wouldn't this be cool Henry dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Just being Patrick Mahomes to throw three interceptions every week.

[Big Cat]

The Henry. Can we go back real quick to the Cowboys Broncos game? Because I. There was. There's a quote that I wanted to bring up to you guys that gets lost with everything that happens in the NFL. Sometimes we forget to look back to what's happened in the past. Back in the mid-2000s, when Sean Payton was the quarterback coach underneath Bill Parcells for the Dallas Cowboys. And by the way, Sean Payton, I think we all in this room thought that he would eventually become the. The Dallas Cowboys head coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

At some point.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. We basically expected it for years on years and years.

[Big Cat]

We did. So back in 2004, Bill Parcells was the head coach and he was talking about how things go in practice when you've got Sean Payton calling plays, going up against Mike Zimmer's defense, calling plays on defense. And he said, you got to keep an eye on those two because they're going to try to get the upper hand. Bill Parcel said about Sean Payton and Mike Zimmer, Mike wants the defense to do well, and Sean, he's going to have a few. No disrespect for the Orientals, but what we call.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I remember this.

[Big Cat]

Jap plays.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Surprise things.

[PFT Commenter]

Sneak attacks.

[Big Cat]

It's the Jap plays from Sean. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

By the way, no disrespect to the Orientals.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But Jap plays.

[PFT Commenter]

He got it.

[Zach Martin]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

He. He double offended.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's a. It's a great. No disrespect. That might be the number one no disrespect of all time.

[PFT Commenter]

He double offended. Okay, let's talk about the last game. By the way, the Colts are going to win, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Packers, Steelers, Sunday Night Football. Very excited for this. Aaron Rodgers going up against his old team. There actually was some good stories coming out this week about Aaron Rodgers being a really good teammate to Jordan Love. Did you see some of that?

[Big Cat]

I did not.

[PFT Commenter]

There was basically, there was a story, an anecdote that was shared that Aaron Rodgers implemented a fine system for Jordan Love when he wouldn't speak during meetings because Aaron Rodgers said that when he first got to Green Bay, it was in Brett Favre's QB room, and he felt too intimidated to ask questions or speak up.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And he didn't want Jordan Love to deal with the same thing. So he basically was like, you have to speak up. You're part of the team pushing him along to be included more. Nice. Nice guy, Aaron Rodgers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Finding his teammate.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, exactly. I don't. They probably got a pizza party or something.

[Big Cat]

No, that's a. Yeah, it's a good move.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's, like, encouraging. I hope that you're. I want to give you the confidence that you should have in yourself to talk.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Zach Martin]

Who do we.

[PFT Commenter]

I like the Steelers in this game just because of Mike Tom.

[Big Cat]

I love the Steelers in this game because they just lost to the Bengals and everybody was on the Steelers last week, and now you're like, nothing could be worse for the Steelers. The defense stinks. Jalen Ramsey. Don't know. Is he playing this week?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. I want him to play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, they do.

[PFT Commenter]

After what happened against Jamar Chase.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they. They do. J.J. watt was kind of a non. Or T.J. watt was kind of a non factor last week, and this is just a classic Mike Tomlin. Nobody believes in us. Guess what? We're going to go out there and win game. That's what it feels like to me. And the Steelers are also wearing. I don't. I can't tell if these are the worst uniforms in sports. Are the best. Can we pull it up? Pull up the throwbacks that they're wearing on Sunday night.

[Hank]

Worst.

[Big Cat]

You think they're the worst.

[Hank]

Disgusting.

[Big Cat]

They look like bees, but they're not the bumblebee ones. They're not the worst. The vertical. It's like a combination. If you're a bee who's in prison.

[Hank]

It'S gonna be an ugly, ugly game.

[Big Cat]

Pull up those throwback uniforms. Okay. Yeah. Look at those.

[Zach Martin]

Oof.

[Big Cat]

The khaki pants.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Okay. The packers did at least help out a little. And they're going all whites.

[Hank]

Oh, they are?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Cause it would have been wearing the yellow helmets.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it would have been very confusing if they went yellow helmet. Yellow helmet.

[Big Cat]

I'm still going to be confused, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, you'll be confused. You'll be like, which team is the Packers? But thankfully, they didn't. Yellow helmets. Yellow helmets would have been brutal.

[Big Cat]

That would have been tough. And then Aaron Rodgers is playing for the team that's wearing the yellow uniform. It would be just. It'd be very confusing.

[PFT Commenter]

The. It's also tough when you go throwback for an older quarterback. It always looks weird. It's like, yeah, you know, throwback should be a younger quarterback thing.

[Big Cat]

Did he used to wear these? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he played in this era. I like the Steelers.

[Big Cat]

I do. I like them a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

I like the Steelers. I like the Steelers.

[Big Cat]

And it's not you know the last.

[PFT Commenter]

Time scared of the packers because the packers are really good.

[Big Cat]

You know the last time the packers won In Pittsburgh, it's like 70s, right? 1970.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Jerry was trying to give me that stat like it meant anything. And then I kind of pretzeled his brain because you could also say Aaron Rodgers playing when the packers play the Steelers in Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers is.02. You know what I mean?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You now have the quarterback who wasn't able to win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

In this matchup, it's a double bad stat. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You don't know which way to go with that. Jerry is. At the start of the week, he was all out on the Steelers and that's when we timed the market and we said, yeah, we're in on the Steelers.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. Always, always. Jerry's a great. You can just go, I know the Steelers better than Jerry. And that's not. Not. Jerry's just too close to it. Whenever he thinks that the Steelers are a really good team, they're different. You go against them and then he gets down and says, it's the same old team. Then you get back on Mike Tom.

[Big Cat]

You know what he did last week to try to pump TJ up?

[Zach Martin]

What?

[Big Cat]

He DM'd him a mike Tomlin locker room speech.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

But I was like, Jerry, that's. TJ's gonna tune that out.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, not only that, but TJ was there. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You think TJ doesn't get that on a day to day? He's. He's got enough Mike Thomas.

[PFT Commenter]

He heard it live in person.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's like if somebody dms me a video. Hank. Yeah, I say I get it.

[PFT Commenter]

I got it. Yeah. Someone DM's you a video of him.

[Big Cat]

Going, yeah, I get it.

[PFT Commenter]

No, yeah, we see it.

[Big Cat]

Listen, I live it.

[PFT Commenter]

We unfortunately see it all the time. Okay, should we do our TD parlay and then we'll get Jerry's fantasy minute and do our best bets. The TD parlay is brought to you by DraftKings. Football season just got even better. Barcelona bringing you the game of the week every single week through the end of the regular season. Here's the deal. Every Friday, we'll announce a game of the week from the Sunday slated game. When the game of the week drops, all you have to do is share a bet slip on the game with hashtag Barstool GotW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of five $1,000 bonus bets. That's right. Five lucky winners. Every single week of the season. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE to get in on the action today.

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[PFT Commenter]

Do we know which one the game of the week is this year?

[Hank]

I have a wild idea.

[PFT Commenter]

What do we know which one's the game of the week?

[Zach Martin]

We don't.

[PFT Commenter]

I assume it's probably going to be Cowboys, Broncos, but we'll. We'll let everyone know, and then you send us those slips. All right, what's your wild idea?

[Hank]

Three tight ends.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Do it. What do we go? Jake Ferguson. Put Jake Ferguson. Tyler Warren. Jake Ferguson is Tyler Warren.

[Big Cat]

I was just hitting, making sure that was the afternoon game as well.

[PFT Commenter]

You go night.

[Big Cat]

I'm thinking about night. And the Steelers. The problem with the Steelers is they've got, like, four tight ends who score touchdowns.

[PFT Commenter]

So then go Tucker craft.

[Big Cat]

Tucker craft. 145.

[PFT Commenter]

Get it. Get it set up. Max.

[Max]

Cowboys, Broncos is.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Game of the week.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. Yeah. You know what? I'm gonna. I'll go. Tucker, Craft.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so we have Jake Ferguson, Tyler Warren, Tucker Craft.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Tight ends.

[Big Cat]

Tight ends.

[PFT Commenter]

This is going to be a juicy one. Yeah, we got to hit one. We've been cold last week. I think we got blanked all the way around.

[Big Cat]

I blame Almond Ra.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, now that I'm on, Ross scored. We've cleansed ourselves.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So we should be back.

[Max]

What's the last one?

[PFT Commenter]

Ferguson, Craft and Tyler Warren.

[Big Cat]

So who's is this? Me, you and Hank. Yep. Max. Soft benching.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Max]

Soft benching.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

13 to 1. Let's just get to Sunday night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's find a way to get to Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Let's do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. We have Jerry's fantasy minute. Then we'll do our best bets, and then we'll get to our interview with Zach Martin. Talking a little Cowboys Offensive line play. Hall of famer Notre Dame. You got Jerry's fantasy minute. Here we go. Go the music means. Start the music means. I got one minute. Hey, what's up? Welcome to fantasy, boys.

[Big Cat]

Doing legs.

[PFT Commenter]

Very important part of working out. Works out the whole body. We got some quarterbacks this weekend, so you could stream Joe Flacco. You could stream Michael Penix. That Miami D sucks. Tight ends are back. Dalton Kincaid is back. Also this guy. God godson from the charges. Number one tight end down there. Also mess with the tight end in the league better. Look at the Travis Kelsey. This menonge running back is about to be coach Johnson's next day of Montgomery. And you can stream.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Falcons events because the Miami sucks. That's it. Just getting in some leg reps. Super important.

[Zach Onto]

I did it.

[PFT Commenter]

One minute.

[Zach Martin]

You PFT.

[PFT Commenter]

Call 1-800-injury- palms.

[Zach Martin]

Thumbs up, Mommy.

[Big Cat]

Thumbs up.

[PFT Commenter]

Does he say stream when he says. Yeah. Pick someone up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Stream them.

[PFT Commenter]

Stream them.

[Big Cat]

Stream.

[Max]

That's a common fantasy football term.

[Big Cat]

Is it really?

[Max]

Streaming defenses, you change. You change them every week.

[Big Cat]

You can stream quarterbacks. It's like. I've never.

[PFT Commenter]

I've never heard that.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Huh. All right. Jerry's deeper into fantasy than us. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I guess that's why he's our expert.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good. Good thing. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Also, Jerry, what are you talking about? With Jaden Daniels? You were the person at the start of the season that came on this show and said he was going to break every record known to man. This is not me. You should be saying that to yourself. You did a badge.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Big Cat]

In fact, I blame Jerry for Jaden's injuries, for trying to live up to the expectations that Jerry set for him.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd agree.

[Big Cat]

It's disgusting.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd agree. Thumbs up, mommy. That was hurtful.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Is that. Is that a crime now? Telling your mom that you're okay? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Mom wants to know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hey, mom. You're listening to the show right now. I'm doing good.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Nothing weird about that, Mom.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to punch Hank in the face because I keep thinking about that. But we'll get through it. And it wasn't even at me.

[Big Cat]

That's okay. I'm. I'm. The beauty about that video is it happened so long ago that I. I moved on past that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And now watching again. I just thought it was now.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna process it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta process.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm gonna process.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Best bets. Let's do it. Right now, we are at, I believe, eight memes and I have eight points. Memes and I have eight points. Hank and Max have seven points. Same with Zach. PFT has six.

[Max]

The closest it's ever been.

[PFT Commenter]

We're all just hovering.

[Big Cat]

It's anybody's game.

[PFT Commenter]

We're all hovering. I went who's up first?

[Max]

Memes. I think I've gotten one total right all year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's tough. I'll go Falcons minus seven and a half. Smart, smart Memes.

[Max]

I'm gonna go Cowboys plus three and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

You're a.

[Max]

Sorry.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't even like them.

[Max]

No, but I'd like them to cover three and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Onto]

I would like to take Packers -3.

[PFT Commenter]

PFT.

[Big Cat]

I would like to take the Falcons Dolphins over 44 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. I will take. Really, Max? Really me up. Texans minus one and a half.

[Hank]

I would like to take the Texans 49ers under 41 and a half. And you know what? It give me the Titans plus 14.

[Big Cat]

Love it like that.

[PFT Commenter]

The Henry Dog. No. 1 took the Dolphins Falcons over 44 and a half.

[Big Cat]

I just did.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you just did. Okay. I'm an idiot.

[Big Cat]

Good pick, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Great pick. Love your pick.

[Big Cat]

Great pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Great picket.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll take the giants Eagles over 43 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Okay. That's a fun one.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like taking unders. Although I bodied memes on that under over off last week. Not that we're keeping record. Blind squirrel funds or not, Zach. I mean, it was. They could have played for eight corners.

[Big Cat]

Blind squirrel.

[PFT Commenter]

Blind squirrel.

[Max]

Zach bodied me too. In our over under off. I had under in the Broncos Giants, which was cruising until the fourth quarter. Yeah, that was most short, like 90 points.

[Zach Onto]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

PFT.

[Big Cat]

I'm going to take the Washington Commanders plus 12 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Nice.

[Big Cat]

Too many points. That's a lot of points. They pay these guys to play football, too.

[Zach Onto]

I would like to take the under in the Dolphins Falcons game at 44 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right.

[Big Cat]

So, Zach, we haven't under over off.

[Zach Onto]

We currently do as it stands.

[Big Cat]

Yes, sir. Okay.

[Hank]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

As it stands, I will take the titans Colts over 47 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. And I will take the over in The Bears Ravens 49 and a half. What if it's Cooper Rush? Don't matter.

[Big Cat]

No, it's gonna be.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's Lamar.

[PFT Commenter]

It is gonna be Lamar. Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interview with future hall of Famer Zach Martin.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is future hall of Famer. I know it doesn't like me saying that, but it's this fact.

[Big Cat]

It's true.

[PFT Commenter]

It's Zach Martin. Zach. We got to say, by the way, you don't know this, but we met for the first time over super bowl in New Orleans. And I gotta say, like, it's very rare at this point. We've been doing this for a long time where like, if someone says they listen. I'm like, oh my God, that's so awesome. But when you told me in PFT that you listened to part of my take and you know you follow barstool, I was like, holy shit, that's the coolest thing ever.

[Zach Martin]

No, I mean, this is like surreal for me because I. I did play pro football for over 10 years, but. But coming to the office today and meeting some of the people that I've watched for so long, it is, it's pretty cool. I'm a little nervous.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You know, everyone, it's like, it is my favorite part of the job is when we have someone who's a future hall of Famer, like big time, played in the NFL, and they're also fans of like, they're like, oh, There's Jersey Jerry. You walked in. I was like, max, the Eagle says. He's like, oh, I know.

[Zach Martin]

Oh, yeah. I love listening to Max blow up on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's fake news. Max is.

[Zach Martin]

I don't have much over the Eagles, but I can't enjoy a Max freakout.

[Big Cat]

Max. Max said at the start of the season he's not going to get mad, and he's lived up to that promise.

[Zach Martin]

And my guy Zach back there looking forward to. Yeah, Zach. He was. That's a great addition.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach on Zach. Yeah, the Zach attack.

[Zach Martin]

How do you spell it? Zach.

[Zach Onto]

I'm a Zac guy. What about yourself?

[Zach Martin]

I'm a Z. A C, K. Okay. Yeah. Awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

And that was our first episode of Zach on Zach.

[Big Cat]

We had an H. We can. We can involve here. No, I don't think Zach's with H's. Yeah. Is there somebody that you saw just walking around the office and you're like, like, oh, holy. I can't believe that's white boy Rick.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, it's on Nikki Smokes. Pumping some iron out there, you know, working hard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Y.

[Zach Martin]

Got to chop it up with kic. You know, we got some ideas bouncing around already, so you never know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. KC is. Is legitimately obsessed with you. He loves you, but, I mean, you. It's a testament to how good you were for how long. Like, as a Commanders fan myself, I don't like the Dallas Cowboys, but you were a really good football player, and I liked watching you play. So it's. It's a pleasure to have you here.

[Zach Martin]

Appreciate that, man. Thanks for having me.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And so I said, future hall of Famer. You are a future hall of Famer. You're going to be in the hall of Fame. Probably first ballot, not was seven first team all pros, nine Pro Bowls. But I have to ask, of all the accomplishments, where does winning the MVP of the Pinstripe bowl rank? That's crazy. You won the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl. You're an offensive lineman. How did. How did that happen? And do you have the MVP trophy?

[Zach Martin]

Well, how it happened is we played a disgusting game versus Rutgers. And like, Reese, Tommy Reese, our quarterback, he had like a bunch of yards but no touchdowns. Our running back had, like, no yards and a couple touchdowns. And I think they were just like, all right, this guy's the highest draft eligible guy. I do not have it anymore. It is at the bottom of a lake. Not intentionally. We had it. We have a lake house, or my wife's family does. And we were out on the boat one night, and somehow it made its way on the boat and.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

Who took it out there? What was it doing on the boat? Now I want.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a mystery. We gotta find this trophy.

[Zach Martin]

It's on the. It's not a big lake either. It's a small lake. I mean, if we had a team.

[PFT Commenter]

We'D go, okay, so we're in.

[Big Cat]

You know, my. My good buddy Pat got me a magnet fishing kit last year.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I could get on a boat and go out there and just. If you. If you show me the spot, we can fill that thing up.

[Zach Martin]

It's not a big lake, I'm telling you. It's like three miles around. We can make it work.

[PFT Commenter]

Finding Zach Martin's pinstripe. Yeah. Trophy would be such a funny video.

[Big Cat]

It'll be incredible. Great video.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. But that was a good send off there from Notre Dame.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so you retired this. This last offseason. Has it. Has there been moments where you're like, I really. I wish I was playing one more year or you. It was the perfect time.

[Zach Martin]

It was the perfect time. I. I really haven't had any. Maybe like the first when they played Philly to start the year, and like, just the start of the game, like, the heart was pumping like that. You know how that place is when you go on a night game. And so maybe a little bit then, but really haven't had any of those feelings. It was kind of a perfect. Perfect ending there. My contract was up and I was. I was ready to be done.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And you look great. You've lost a lot of weight from even. Yeah. The Super Bowl. Yeah. 50 pounds.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty sick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. I was a big fan of your retirement letter that you wrote. The open letter.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Famously. In that letter, you said that the thing that your son was going to miss the most was hanging out with CD Lamb.

[Zach Martin]

Yep. Yep.

[Big Cat]

But you told him, hey, hey, buddy, we can. We can go visit CD when we want.

[Zach Martin]

We can go visit him.

[Big Cat]

Has he seen CD since you've retired?

[Zach Martin]

Since I've retired. I don't know if he's seen him since we've retired, but he was very excited last week when C was back in the lineup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

At a Big Score versus Commanders. He was juiced up about that.

[Big Cat]

I love that story. What is it about CD that your son was like, I love that guy?

[Zach Martin]

I just think. I mean, he's just a playmaker, right? He's the one making all the plays. And so I'd come home and he'd make sure I was all right, but he'd be like, oh, how about that CD catch? Or how about that seed touchdown? It was cool that my last game down there, I was injured and so is cd but before the game, my kids got to come down the field, and I brought CD over and CD and Charlie got a. Got a picture on the field on my last game, so.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Very cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So, Notre Dame Cowboys, what's it like being a douchebag?

[Zach Martin]

Very similar. Fan base is everything. A lot of. A lot of eyes on us at all time. There's blessing and a curse.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Good things that come with it. But, you know, there's some. There's some stuff that people don't talk about that. That sucks at times.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Does it feel different like, when you. You. Obviously. Your whole career was at the Cowboys, but does it feel different knowing, like, you guys are going to be talked about more than any other team? You're going to be judged more than any other team and how to deal with that where not. No offense to, like, the Jaguars or the Cardinals, but they're just. There's just not the spotlight on them.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. It was really more. I feel like, like, the years we weren't great, and it's like how they're still talking. Why are they talking about us? We're five and eight right now.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Zach Martin]

But I think it just kind of comes with it. Obviously, what Jerry's built down there and the success that the Cowboys have had in their. In their history, it's just going to come with it, and you just got to take it and not, you know, it's cliche, but not live in the comment section and.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Do your thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What was it like for you as a listener of the show when. When Hank became a fan of the Dallas Cowboys, briefly.

[Zach Martin]

You know, it was nice because Hank's had a lot of. A lot of luck in his.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true. Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. I was hoping maybe he could bring a little of that, a little of that to us.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you got, Max? You put the mic closer. Oh, that's good. Producing, Max. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Great job, Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Keep this all in.

[Big Cat]

All the people that think that Max.

[Zach Martin]

He's gonna leave me hanging.

[Big Cat]

All he does is presses record, then presses stop. No, he gets off his ass.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He gets up, he puts this closer. Zach, do you. You just talk. Zach, real quick. So we have another Zach talk. Talking.

[Zach Onto]

Yeah, we can go. Zach for Zach. As of right now, we're just getting A couple things adjusted. Everybody's good combo so far. I'm enjoying the riff.

[Big Cat]

It's almost like you're doing a review of the podcast, like, during the podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay, so we gotta. I have a couple people I gotta ask you about that. You could tell us how we got it wrong. Okay. Brian Kelly, how do we have it wrong?

[Zach Martin]

Oh, man, you're killing me here.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a good football coach.

[Zach Martin]

Good football coach. I would say I'm not overly close with Coach Kelly, I would say with him, but I, you know, I have not talked to him a lot since I left there. But he does do something right, because, I mean, LSU hasn't really come around, I guess, fully yet, but the guy wins wherever he goes. I think he does a great job. He can manage the program. Right. Like Notre Dame, for example. It's. It's a lot more than just being a football coach. There's a lot of, you know, a lot of you got to put up with. And I think he did that well, and I think he hires well. I think he does a good job of going out and getting good coordinators, good position coaches and. But yeah, he does something right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he does, sure.

[Zach Martin]

I can't put my finger on it necessarily, but he does. Definitely has something right in the formula.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All right. I'll ask you an easy question. In between the. The above people in detail, I need, like, as much time as you want to talk about it, as much detail as you want to go. If you want to do the next hour on it, I need a step by step, play by play, second by second of the Mike McCarthy watermelon smash.

[Zach Martin]

Okay. We were in Minnesota.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

Minnesota game. Yeah, I believe it was Sunday night game in Minnesota.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Zach Martin]

We were bad. It was coveted year. We were in the. So when you. When you do the night before the hotel, you. You're in the big ballroom for dinner, and then you kind of, you know, five minutes for the meeting. Everyone kind of Moses over to the big ballroom where they have, you know, screen set up all the chairs for guys, and they had a stage this time, which normally that wasn't normal stage. And then he had, like, the picnic table, you know, like the plastic whatever on the picnic table was, like, laid out all over the stage. I forget what his message was, but it was something about, you know, smashing whatever we've done now and, you know, move forward. But he just started smashing watermelon spraying all over us.

[PFT Commenter]

He was wailing on the watermelon.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, he was. And I think he was bringing People up. I, I don't think I got a swing on the watermelon, but I do believe he was bringing either other coaches or certain players up to.

[Big Cat]

So the watermelon was a metaphor for the season.

[Zach Martin]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I didn't think about that. I thought he was just doing like Gallagher, the old comedian that used to smash watermelon.

[Zach Martin]

I don't think so. I think it was more like, I don't know, he was just looking for something to get us into it, but it worked. We won.

[PFT Commenter]

You. No, no, you won that. Like, because this was. I. I want to say that I not only bet the Vikings, but I think I was still in my Survivor league for a lot of money. I had the Vikings. And afterwards when it came out, I was like, this is such. If I had known this is a watermelon smashing game, I never would have bet. Yeah, no, I guess so. Yeah. Did you guys all walk out of the meeting being like, now we're going to go be the greatest team ever?

[Zach Martin]

I don't know. I mean, at least gave us a little conversation when we go get ice cream before we go to bed.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

At the ice cream stand.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Listen, watermelon, smash it me up bad. I lost a lot on that. That.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I. You gotta know when the team's about to smash a watermelon.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

You gotta know it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

That's important information the folks don't put out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Was he a big prop guy in those meetings or was that the one time?

[Zach Martin]

No, he would, he would do props. Like, he was. He grew up. His dad was a bar owner. So I remember one time he had like, he had like the bar props and he was doing something with it, you know, like the towel and like the shaker and all that.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Zach Martin]

I forget what the message was, but now he'd use props every once in a while.

[Big Cat]

So we gotta ask you a little bit about Jerry Jones. We want to have him on the podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

So.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I want to drink Johnny Walker.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

On the bus with Jerry. I want to hang out with him and just let the man talk.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's a fascinating. Love him or hate him, he is a very interesting guy. Successful beyond all your wildest dreams.

[PFT Commenter]

Like he is.

[Big Cat]

He's done everything and he's still like the centerpiece of that team. What was it like meeting him for the first time?

[PFT Commenter]

Time?

[Zach Martin]

I met him on my. I remember I went down to a visit before I got drafted. They did like the like pre draft visits or whatever and it Was just like a real quick, like five minutes. Like he wasn't doing a lot of the, like deep diving questions. And then kind of over my career, I obviously had interaction with him. He was great, always, you know, treated me great. But then my contract stuff came up a couple years ago. That's when I, you know, I, I had started having one on one conversations with them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Got to know him a little bit better and got closer with them. But yeah, it was cool to kind of sit. It was just us in the room several times we're sitting, talking through our contracts and kind of to like pinch yourself. You're like, dude, I'm just like negotiating with this, you know, oil tycoon billionaire. Yeah. But, yeah, that was cool, man. He takes care of us. Obviously. He's, you know, he's got the business thing going, going heavy, but the dude wants to win. There's no mistake about it. He does want to win. I think, you know, he. The business side of it pays the bills, so he puts a lot of time into it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Did.

[Big Cat]

He did. Do you have an agent at the time?

[Zach Martin]

I did, I did. Go ahead. Are you leading?

[Big Cat]

I was curious. Like, I. I've been involved in a little bit of the negotiation agency thing. Not, not to like the extent that you have, obviously, but I could imagine that your agent might be upset that you're meeting face to face with a guy and that's kind of his job.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I was in a little bit of a different circumstance because it was my, my second. You know, when I did my first deal, my agent was obviously very involved. This was kind of at the end of my career. I had a few years left. You know, I was trying to get a little extra on the back end and, and in my mind, I thought it was pretty cut and dry, so. And that's how Jerry. I mean, you've obviously seen it in the Micah. Micah stuff. Like he likes to have those meetings with players and, you know, I think he likes to get the, get us one on one. I mean, obviously, why wouldn't you guys that don't have much experience, but he, he takes care of you. And we came to an agreement between the two of us that I was happy with, he was happy with, and it all worked out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he seems like he, he could be fun to play for if you were one of his guys.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. When you're rolling, I mean, it's. It's tough to beat. It's. It's those dog days when you're losing, you know, three, four in a Row. And yeah, you know, everyone's on edge at all times around the facility, but when it, when things are rolling down there, it's great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If things are like, if you're in a losing streak and he lands the helicopter on the practice field, you're like, oh, I see.

[Zach Martin]

You gotta, you gotta exit the practice when it comes down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Off that. So this is, we're in week eight right now. I'm a big believer. This is like the window where there's. You can pick out maybe some desperate teams. Do you. Is that a real thing? Where it's like human nature definitely takes over. Where if, hey, if you're winning, maybe you don't, you're not as pushing as hard. But when you get to that point in the season where it's like, we have to win, the desperation comes out and you get a better effort.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I think it would be, I mean, I think it'd be dumb to say if people are like, hey, we don't let this stuff slide in like it does. It happens when you're on a roll. Like at some point, you know, you have a let. Like, we've had 21, 22, 23. When we were rolling, we kind of limped into the playoffs and I think that was kind of our downfall. But same thing. We won eight or nine games in a row, but you start letting little stuff creep in and it just piles up. And unfortunately for us, it was like, it piled up at the worst times.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Because I think that human nature part of like pro sports is always interesting to me because we think of it, oh, they're pros. Every week's going to be the same. It's like, no, they're still just regular human beings.

[Zach Martin]

Well, and also like the, the discrepancy, like the teams are not that different talent wise. Like, everyone's really good. So you, you catch a team that's like, oh, yeah, we should kill these guys. Like, well, yeah. Have you seen their defensive line, though? Like, we're in for a meat grinder. Right. You know, so even the teams that aren't record wise, great, when you look on tape, you're like, damn, they got this guy. They got this guy. So you got to be on it every week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Such a thin margin.

[Big Cat]

We've said a lot of things on the show about Dak Prescott. You might say we complimented him at times when we called him the 17th best quarterback. Might say we insulted him by calling him the 17th best quarterback. You played alongside Dak for many years. Can you tell Us why we're wrong about Dak.

[Zach Martin]

I wish that Dak could come back on here and do the interview.

[Big Cat]

Had a lot to do with that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I. I honestly, and this is, like, nothing against you guys, but, like, I. I don't think he knew, like, you guys at all when he came on.

[PFT Commenter]

The Internet, which was fair because it was early on. Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

And I don't think he knew, like, the shtick or anything. So, like, listening to it and knowing him, I'm sure he's just like, what the are these guys asking me?

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

So I think if you had him on now, it'd be a lot different.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think he'd be open to coming back on? Do you think he doesn't, like, if.

[Zach Martin]

You guys have helped the chance?

[PFT Commenter]

No, probably not. Definitely not.

[Big Cat]

Well, we have said that. We. We said this season that you were wrong about that. He should be in the. Definitely in the MVP conversation, if not leading.

[Zach Martin]

Well, and I also want to come back because he's like, he is the best. Like, he is the absolute best. He would. You would love him if you. If you got to sit down here and just. Just shoot the shit. And he knew kind of what was going on, but he is. Guys in that building play for that guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Telling you, I would love to have him do the hard count.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Well, here we go.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Has he always done the Here we go now?

[Zach Martin]

That changed. They actually. We put that in because. So we got a new. When McCarthy came in, it was all about, like, get off the ball, get off the ball. We're trying to fly off the ball. Well, then people started jumping the snap count, and it just kind of became. It just didn't look fluid. Some guys were getting off. So then that's when we added the. Yep, here we go. To, like, all right, everyone get ready. And then everyone try to get off at the same time. So that's why they added that, because everything got kind of screwed up when guys were getting off at wrong time.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's.

[Big Cat]

Let's.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you know what? Let's heal real quick. Let's all say something nice about Dak.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Max Memes. Zach, can we all say something nice about Dak? Memes? You want to start say something nice about Dak Prescott. This is going to get us. Get him back on the show because I would like. He's a father. There we go. He's a father.

[Big Cat]

Had sex.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Max]

I would like Zach to go first.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Onto]

One day, I was scrolling Instagram. Beautiful home.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Okay. All right, Max.

[Max]

I Don't know if I can.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on, Max.

[Max]

Like, I'm. It is. It is in my soul to hate.

[Big Cat]

Dad.

[PFT Commenter]

Just say something. All right, I'll go. I like, I'm a bigger fan of Dak Prescott than I am of Brian Kelly.

[Big Cat]

That's huge. That's big.

[PFT Commenter]

That's massive. Right? That's big. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He is by far the most handsome. How tall is he? Six three, Right.

[Zach Martin]

Maybe six two, six.

[Hank]

Three.

[Big Cat]

Six three. I'll just go six three. He's by far the most handsome six foot three Mississippi State alumni that I know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Yes.

[Big Cat]

There's no close second.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Max. Come on, Max.

[Zach Martin]

He's got a lot of philanthropy work.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on, man. You need the community.

[Big Cat]

For the kids.

[Max]

He's good.

[PFT Commenter]

He's good.

[Big Cat]

Good with the kids.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think it's like, we. We. That was an early on interview that we did with Dak, and I would like to have him on again. I think it also, there was. There was another time maybe a year or two after that we were supposed to have him on in a Super bowl week, and something fell through and we were just like, ah, fuck this guy.

[Big Cat]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

But we. He's an awesome quarterback. We like to. I think it's also the Cowboys thing. Whoever the quarterback of the Cowboys is, you're gonna make fun of them.

[Zach Martin]

That's, though, in like, my opinion, the most impressive part about him, like, the amount of that he has to go through.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

And like, the amount of things that are on his shoulders. It. I mean, if people knew the amount of. He has to deal with.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I'm sure it's ridiculous. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. I can imagine that it's, like, not something that they prepare you for in college.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, right, right.

[Big Cat]

Like, you get to the league, all of a sudden you're the quarterback of the.

[Zach Martin]

When he got thrown in there, like a week before the season, too do.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

You know.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And to be. To be able to handle it without, you know, any major public missteps is pretty impressive.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And wait, so wait, how many years. What. What year was that? Was you were you.

[Zach Martin]

2016. So I had. I had Romo for three years, but really.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's another guy we take. We speak very highly.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. I had Robo for really just my rookie year.

[PFT Commenter]

It might really be a us thing.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So is Romo your rookie year?

[Zach Martin]

Romar rookie year, he was. Was 15. He played four games in this collarbone twice. And then my third year was the year that he got hurt in preseason. Dad came in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That Is tough to be thrown in at the last second.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You ever play golf with him?

[Zach Martin]

With Romo? I've never played with him now, but I got a funny story. So we went to. My brother in law has played in the Tahoe event.

[PFT Commenter]

Awesome.

[Zach Martin]

A few years you got to play in it. And we're trying to. I'm gonna try to. I would love to.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Maybe this can springboard my invite because we used to go out there with all our buddies, like three years he played and rent a house, and it was unbelievable.

[Big Cat]

Your brother in law, Tyler Ifer.

[Zach Martin]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Did he. Did he throw your trophy into a lake?

[Zach Martin]

It wasn't him. No. No.

[PFT Commenter]

That's definitely something Tyler would do.

[Zach Martin]

It would Definitely something.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

Very. Yeah. Checks out. But we were at the Tahoe deal and Romo was playing in it, and so, like we ran into him and he was like, why. Why are you here? And I'm like, oh, my brother in law's playing. Whatever. So then the rest of the weekend, anytime we were walking and we were by Romo, my buddies would like scream out Romo. And he'd turn and see me. So it just looked like I was following Tony around the entire weekend. So, like, I'd walk up and be like, Robo. And he'd turn around, be like, oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, he. That the Tahoe is the best. We got to get you in.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, it's great.

[PFT Commenter]

We gotta. How's your golf game?

[Zach Martin]

It's trending. Yeah, I've been playing a lot.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Zach Martin]

I'm like.

[PFT Commenter]

Wasn't a direction. You just said trending.

[Zach Martin]

Well, it's good. I mean, I played a lot this summer.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

A lot. I'm like a 10.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

So I'm. I'm respectable.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna steal that, though. If someone ever. Whenever someone asks me, I'm just say trending.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Not saying which direction, but it is trending. You had, in Your entire career, 11 seasons in the NFL, you only had seven holding calls, is that correct?

[Zach Martin]

That were accepted. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Accepted.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

How many times do you think you actually held?

[Zach Martin]

I bet there's probably, I don't know, four or five that were declined. Like on third down maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Seven.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Dude, I.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you remember all seven?

[Zach Martin]

No, but I do remember some. Like, I had a bad one in Pittsburgh one year in 2016 that I. That wasn't a hole, but they called it on me.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh. So it wasn't even. That doesn't. So now we're down to six.

[Zach Martin]

They called it on me.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Martin]

But no, I can't remember all them.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think what Big Cat was getting at, like, how many times did you hold and get away with. With it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, a lot.

[Zach Martin]

A lot. And I think I. I had. I have a good. I feel like I had a good understanding of what is a hold. Like, if the ball is on the other side of the field and you're holding, they're not going to call it. It's really. When the ball is. Is P passing you. So if you got to play, it's coming right behind you, and you start feeling your guy fall off, you either have to let go or get yourself in position. So I think I was smart enough to one let go. And then that was kind of like, I would say if someone asked me, like, what was your best attribute? Like, I. I could just get out of, like, terrible situations. Like, I. I could be in these funky body situations. It looks like I'm beat. And I could just kind of, I don't know, naturally just kind of get my body in front of a guy. And I think that helped with the holding penalties.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Who is the toughest guy? You went up or the guy who gave you the most problems?

[Zach Martin]

Well, I like to take Donald out of it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

That's like an obvious.

[PFT Commenter]

What. What is it? Let's. Let's talk about Aaron Donald, though, for a second. What is it? Is. It just. Is his strength just that. Can you notice his strength versus other guys?

[Zach Martin]

Oh, yeah. And it's his, like. Like, not only is he freakishly strong, he's got. He's not a huge guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Zach Martin]

I know you guys have interviewed him. Like, he's. I called him maybe six foot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

You know, so he's got a lot of natural leverage, and then he's got every. You know, he's got moves, he's got speed, he's explosive. He. He's like, the only guy that, like, you really. At least I was, like, staying up the night before the game, like, damn. Yeah, it's gonna be.

[PFT Commenter]

This is gonna suck.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Like, this dude can make me look dumb at any moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

You know, but if. If you take him out of it, Fletcher, that's like my. That would be like my kind of. I think we played against each other 20 times.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

So Fletcher Cox was definitely the guy that I kind of respected the most and had, like, the best battles with.

[PFT Commenter]

Who was the outside of Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox? Who is, like, the most country strong or, like, the Strength that you're like, holy. So maybe not the best player because they might not have the speed to match it or the moves, but when it got your. Their hands on you, you're like, oh.

[Zach Martin]

Oh, Dexter Lawrence, I mean, he's really good, but he's one of those guys that, like, puts his hands on. You're like, God. Jeffrey Simmons, another guy that, like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Hands on him. Dominican Sue.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I can't leave sue out. I had, like, he got after me pretty good early in my career. I played him. I think I played him every team he was at, but sue would be that another one. I played him. Detroit when he was rolling, played him in Miami. Got him. We put him in the playoffs one year with the Rams. So, yep, he's definitely in that mix for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you ever have. Is there, like, one block that you made that stands out to you like that? That was the best pancake of all time?

[Zach Martin]

Not at the top of my head, no. But like, like, like, sometimes, like, this is like a small O line thing, which you would. My guy, Kate, would. He would understand.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, Kiddick is probably.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Outside the door right now, but anytime.

[Zach Martin]

You get, like, a slide away from you, so the center's going away from you, and you're like, man, like one on one and like a third down versus an elite rusher. Like, if you. If you stone a guy in those situations, it gives you, like, damn. That was. That was pretty good. Like, that was good. Yeah, I had. There was room on both sides of me, and he could have gotten either way, and I held up there. So a lot of double teams with Travis Frederick. A lot. A lot of double teams with Travis Frederick that come to mind, but not one specific. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you enjoy pass blocking? Because we've talked to a lot of offensive linemen that are like, I can't stand pass blocking. Like, I. I just want to get out in space. I want to hit somebody.

[Zach Martin]

No, I mean, you want to run the ball. I mean, it's just. It makes everything so much easier for O lineman because then it slows the D line and down. They got to think about the run. They're getting chewed out on the sideline for. For getting it shoved up their ass. It's just you got to run the ball effectively. I think to be. To be a top offense, you got to have some aspect of running the football.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What was. Walk us through the. The play against the 49ers in the playoffs. Where were you lined up for that?

[Zach Martin]

I was out wide at receiver. Me And Tyrone Smith were outside outline.

[PFT Commenter]

I still don't understand that play.

[Zach Martin]

Well, the play. I actually was just talking about this a couple weeks ago. The play was supposed to be like, Zeke snaps the ball, and then we do like a hook and ladder, but Zeke's like the. The guy that's going to get the lateral. The lateral. So. But he's kind of hiding at center knowing, oh, we're not thinking of him. Right. Well, San Fran just came out and put Greenlaw over top of him and just bull rushed him into the ground, and then the play was dead. So a tough way to go out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Was that when. When. When that happened, you're like, oh, man, that was. That was a tough one to watch because we. Everyone was just watching it being like, what is. What is happening right now?

[Zach Martin]

Well, that. That was salt on the wound, too, because the Niners has had bounced us two years in a row and kind of got after us, too, for two years in a row. So that was just kind of a little extra.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Wound on that one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can you walk us through the other play against the Niners? Was that the one where you tried to clock the ball?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I stand by that one because I. I really think we practice that play a lot, and we had time. You know, now that we. We coach that play, we talk about how the left guards got to move. Got to move and give space for the. For the ref to get through after that play. But I still think that if. If he didn't get. If he didn't get hit by the. The official, we could have clocked it and had time. I'm not saying we don't won the game, but I think we would have had at least a second on the clock.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, those always suck because, like, the games ending that way.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Terrible, right? A playoff game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Like, that was like one of the years where you think you have a chance and it's just everything gets ripped out and you're. You're done.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

The. I went to the Rose bowl when Wisconsin played Oregon, and we. It ended on Russell Wilson not being able to clock it. It's like, well, that was the most unsatisfying way to end a game ever.

[Zach Martin]

I know. That's like the walk out of the stadium and it's like, damn, just left early. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Right, right, right.

[Big Cat]

We got the, The. The play with Zeke at center.

[Zach Martin]

They see I'm on top of the screen. Up.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Were you running route?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Ready to go.

[Zach Martin]

I was kind of like the. We were just kind of like Trailing in, behind, ready for pitches.

[Big Cat]

And then you guys literally just stood up.

[PFT Commenter]

All the big guys are just not there.

[Zach Martin]

But look, look. See, like, we didn't anticipate them. Just bull rushing Zeke there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. That one pro. Did it work in practice?

[Zach Martin]

On air, it looked pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The one flaw in the plan was. Yeah, our center can't block.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's a problem.

[PFT Commenter]

How cool is it coming out of the tunnel at Notre Dame and hitting the sign and, you know, just like, is it as cool because Notre Dame. We. People give shit to Notre Dame because I think there's a jealousy factor. They are. I always love when Notre Dame's in the mix. It makes college football more fun.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It does feel like if you are a Notre Dame fan or a Notre Dame player, like, you don't have to explain yourself. It is just special. It is.

[Zach Martin]

And it's just. I took two weeks ago, Notre Dame played Boise, and I had a couple teammates that were Boise guys, and they flew up and we went to the game and. And I got to kind of, you know, show them all around, and even they were like, where are we right now?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, like, it's just. You got to be there. You got to experience game day there to give it justice. I mean, it's. It's a special place with a lot of tradition. And I got to take my son there this summer. I took my oldest one day this summer. We rode up, we went around the stadium, and he got to go down, hit the sign was pretty cool.

[PFT Commenter]

That is awesome.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

How cool was that? Being a part of a team that went to the national championship at Notre Dame? I feel. I feel like that's special.

[PFT Commenter]

Special.

[Zach Martin]

It was. And, like, it also kind of, like, turning. I feel like when we were there, we. We kind of turned. Turned it around a little bit. Right. Like, Notre Dame, we'd been struggling there for a while. My first year was Weiss's last year, so we were six and six. We didn't go to a bowl game. We're kind of in turmoil. And then to be a part of kind of that rebuild and especially the O line room, you know, we. Notre Dame's got a ton of O line tradition. And we had a coach, Harry, he stand. I know he's a Chicago guy. He kind of came back, and we kind of instilled that tradition back in, and it's still going today, which is cool to see.

[Big Cat]

You've had a lot of great offensive linemen.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like Mike McGlinchey, Quentin Nelson, Ronnie, Stanley. Yeah, you guys are.

[PFT Commenter]

Just goes on and tight ends too. Yeah, I feel like the tight ends are popping.

[Zach Martin]

We had a good thing when, when coach he stand was at Notre Dame. I think he had like five or six first rounders in like eight years. So we had it. We had a cook in there with him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I got a question about Charlie Weiss. Big cat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You know, are you, you know the same thing?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. No, of course. We have to ask everyone.

[Big Cat]

Charlie, did you ever get a chance to meet his parrot, his bird?

[Zach Martin]

I never met his parrot, but this. I'm not lying. He texted me yesterday.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

About, about South Fuego.

[Zach Martin]

Just like, like, hey, I was thinking about you. Like, hope you and your family are doing well.

[PFT Commenter]

That's nice.

[Zach Martin]

Oh man, that's cool.

[Big Cat]

He's a good guy. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, but the stories of, of his bird that just like free range flies around the house.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. I never, I never saw the bird. Like, people ask me about Weiss all the time and that was, it was. I was redshirted that year too, so I don't even really remember, like he was there for maybe four or five months and then, and then was out of there. So I don't even really remember my wife's time all that much.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. When you were, when you're just getting started at Notre Dame, did you have any intention of playing any other position or were you switched your position? You're like, okay, you're going to grow here.

[Zach Martin]

Well, I played. So I've only ever played O line, D line. I've never touched the ball at any level of football. That's what my son plays, flag football. And he's like, was asking me questions. I'm like, buddy, you've touched the ball more than I have.

[PFT Commenter]

You've never like a pass, never play.

[Zach Martin]

I was o lineman from third grade.

[PFT Commenter]

We asked Joe Thomas this. How many you played 11 years in, in the NFL. How many times do you think you actually touched the football? How many seconds?

[Zach Martin]

Couple random like fumble recoveries. I don't know, live action, total of like 8 seconds maybe. Think about.

[Big Cat]

You ever run with it? You ever pick it up and take a few steps?

[PFT Commenter]

Because Joe said that he, he, he guessed like, like 20 seconds because there was one time he picked it up and took like three steps.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, no, I, I was always jump. Cradle it up, get in the fetal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Is that crazy hall of Fame career just didn't touch the football?

[Zach Martin]

No. And, and playing guard too, like when you play tackle, like you can kind of Hide when you're running. Like, some of the goal line trick stuff. Like, we had some offensive tackles that caught touchdown passes when I was there. But guard, it's like, if I'm not lining up a guard, it's like, you know, bells and whistles on the defense. Like, why is he not at guard right now?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, that.

[Big Cat]

That would be. It'd be something. I would. If I were in your position, maybe at the end of my career, I'd be like, hey, we got. We got to get me the ball.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just one time, I.

[Zach Martin]

When Kellen was in Dallas, we talked about it a little bit, trying to try to make it work, but it never did.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. All right. Tough question, but I think I'm gonna phrase it correctly.

[Zach Martin]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

The national championship, when you guys went and played against Alabama, obviously, there was the Manta story that year. Do you remember. Was there a moment in the locker room where someone finally broke the ice about the. Yeah, just like, hey, you know, like, we got to make a joke about this.

[Zach Martin]

I actually heard Manti talking about this on something he was doing, but it was when we. For whatever reason, when we were walking out of the tunnel, we ran out of the same tunnel, and we, like, met in the tunnel of the stadium.

[PFT Commenter]

With Alabama.

[Zach Martin]

With Alabama, and they ran out first. And, like, we're all standing there, and, you know, you got, like, Chance Warmack, DJ Fluker, all these dudes, like, running out with their shirts flipped over. Everyone's like, like, you know, so halftime. I mean, it was pretty, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It was over.

[Zach Martin]

We may be in over our heads.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But did anyone ever joke to Manti, being like, that was crazy, dude.

[Zach Martin]

Well, that stuff came up after he left.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I thought it came up, like, right at the end of the season. Oh, yeah. Because he was. He was training when. That's right. That's right. Because it was a story at the Heisman. But they. Everyone thought it was real then.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, everyone thought it was real. So it came out, like, maybe a week or two after the national championship game when he was already gone on.

[PFT Commenter]

That's right.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I did see that interview for Manti, who. When he was saying, like, you knew at that moment you were probably.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. It was, like, different. Like, we're used to, like, playing Purdue and, like, Pittsburgh.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

It's like, oh, God.

[PFT Commenter]

And that was when Bama was peak.

[Zach Martin]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

As good as good could be.

[Zach Martin]

They had Lacey. I think, you know, Lacey. He had, like, five carries for 65 yards the first drive. Oh, man, Our defense was like, the best part of our team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

That's like. We knew we were in trouble.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can we talk a little bit about the Cowboys this year here?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. How do you like them? Because. Right. To me, they're so fun to watch. The offense is amazing. I don't think there's any, like, bells or whistles. I, I think that they're just like, legitimately a top five offense in the NFL. The defense is kind of. I, I want to say hit or miss. Been a lot of miss. Defense hasn't looked great. What do you think the ceiling for this group would be this year?

[Zach Martin]

Well, I agree with you. Offensively, I, I don't think anyone's been better. I'm better than them consistently over, over the course of the season. I love Williams. Javante Williams. That was a hell of a sign.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Obviously, Pickens picking up the slack when CDs out. And really up front, they've. I think they've played. I saw stat. They played nine guys so far this season up front, and they really haven't skipped a beat. There's three or four guys that have. That have backed up there for a couple years that have gotten playing time the last couple years, and they stepped in and did a great job. So offensively, it's been. It's been awesome. Right. Defensively, I mean, look, you trade arguably the best defensive player a week before the season, it's not going to be perfect. I think they will get better. I mean, I played for Coach Eberfluss in Dallas my first five years. I know, you know, you guys, you.

[PFT Commenter]

Got your feelings there.

[Zach Martin]

But I do know how he coaches, and it's not really about the plays. It's about how you play. And I think he'll get those guys on defense playing the right way and at least be able to, you know, stop some bleeding and, and win some of these games down the stretch, turn.

[Big Cat]

Around a little bit. I think they could definitely be a playoff team.

[Zach Martin]

I do, too.

[Big Cat]

The defense up a little.

[PFT Commenter]

This is the most fun. Watch.

[Zach Martin]

I saw this. I saw this clip the other day of some Cowboys fans talking about. And they're like, honestly, they're the most fun team in the NFL to watch because they have to score every possession. It's a Big 12 game. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's. It is a lot of fun. And, and I mean, George Pickens is so much fun. He's our favorite. We just, we, we basically. There'll be times in the gambling cave where we'll just. Everyone there'll be seven games on and be like, everyone stop watching.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because he's that electric, and I don't.

[Zach Martin]

Know him at all, but it seems like he. They. They've made him comfortable down there, and he really enjoys being in Dallas, so. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I'm happy for Jake Ferguson. He's having a breakout year.

[Zach Martin]

He's my guy. He's going off.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Getting in the end zone. And Fergus, you need to have Fergie on here.

[PFT Commenter]

We had him on Wake up barstool for, like, 10 minutes on Tuesday. But we do have to have.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, he's great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

He's a character. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Although I'm, like, not. I. I don't think I'm welcome back at Wisconsin right now with some of the things I've said in the last.

[Zach Martin]

What are you gonna do?

[PFT Commenter]

You gotta be on Harry's grandson. But, yeah.

[Big Cat]

You gotta be honest.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Sugar coat.

[PFT Commenter]

But they are so much fun to watch.

[Big Cat]

It's just.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Get that defense going.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I feel like they. They can't get any worse, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, defensively, yeah. No. And I'm not. I don't. I'm like. I hate when, like, former players take shots, and I. I don't want to, like, take shots, but it's. It's just objectively, like, they've got to be better on defense. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Well. And also, they lost the best defensive player right before the season. That's gotta. That's gotta take some getting used to. Like, even. Even the. The Bears game, like, CD Got hurt in the Bears game. I feel like it's so different because they played well after CD Got hurt, but it's so different than when a guy gets hurt in a game with a game plan versus when you know a guy's not going to be playing.

[Zach Martin]

And it's like the kind of. The little thing. It's like human nature. When a guy like CD Lamb goes out there, there's a little bit that's.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, yeah, right, dude. You know, one of your best guys.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. So. Yeah. But they bounce back the next couple weeks and play great.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

As a player on the Cowboys, would there be times after a game when you'd see, like, a Skip Failure. Bayless. Bayless video of him, like, throwing his Dak Prescott jersey into the trash can? You're like, oh, we really. We really messed up, guys?

[Zach Martin]

No, no, I don't. I don't really care about that. But. No, to answer your question.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Zach Martin]

What.

[PFT Commenter]

So you had a nickname, the Butcher, which feels like a bad nickname for an offensive lineman.

[Zach Martin]

That nickname also is not.

[PFT Commenter]

It's basketball. Right?

[Zach Martin]

Well, I don't even know. I never was called that. That's on my Wikipedia page. Okay. That's, like, the number one question people ask me.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Martin]

And I'm like, I wasn't aware anyone called me that. Someone maybe put it on there, and.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I looked into it a little more, and it says, at least says on the Internet that the Butcher was a nickname you got playing basketball in high school, which. That is very funny, because I would imagine you playing basketball. You played basketball like a football player?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, you know, I get my fouls out. You know, 4 and 4 and 10.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I don't think it would be fun to go into the paint with Zach Martin standing there.

[Zach Martin]

No, no. I, I, I, I had a little game early on. Like, basketball was, like, was my sport.

[PFT Commenter]

When I was Indiana. Right.

[Zach Martin]

And then my dad was like, you know, you're six, four center. You're not. There's no room for that. So I really dove into football.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Did you ever have a nickname?

[Zach Martin]

So my nickname is Gob the Gob. Like, that's my, My handle for everything. People are probably like, what? Why? I wish I had a cooler story, but it was honestly my freshman year in high school. I was playing basketball, practicing against the. The varsity, and one of the seniors said I looked like a goblin. And now everybody in indie, like, parents call me Gob, girls call me Gob. Everyone calls me Gob the Gob.

[Big Cat]

It's a cool nickname.

[PFT Commenter]

It is a cool nickname. The gob70 on Twitter.

[Hank]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. How are you liking the podcast game? So you got it? You. You're doing some podcasting?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I'm doing NFL IQ with Cynthia Freeland and. And Logan Ryan. I'm kind of, like, recurring guests, I guess. Yeah, it's been cool. Like, I've never really done anything like this. I was pretty low key when I played. I didn't. I don't really put myself out there much. I just kind of stuck to playing football, and so I thought I'd give it a try, see how. See how it goes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Is it hard to, like, watch the tape and. And criticize players?

[Zach Martin]

I get, like, cringy. Oh, that. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I get cringy myself because I. I'm still, like, in this mode where, like, I'm still playing, so sometimes I listen to myself. I'm like, you just sound like. Like, you're in an interview at your locker after.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't listen to yourself.

[Zach Martin]

I know.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't do it.

[Zach Martin]

I know, but it's been cool. Like, she, Cynthia is great at like leading the conversations and, and queuing you up. And it's been, it's been awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

What. So we, we. This is a theme basically every football season. And maybe you can explain it better, but like, in September, it's just bad football because what we've been told. And you, you might say this is stupid, but, but the training camps aren't as hard. It's harder for the offensive line to gel and it takes some time. Is there any truth in that? And is there a moment that you can point to in every season where you're like, all right, now I feel like we're all on the same page 100%.

[Zach Martin]

It's, I think it's a huge factor and it's really. And I hate being like the old guy, being like, we don't practice hard enough anymore. We don't do this because, you know, when you're getting older and you're in it, you're like, it's kind of nice. But it really comes down to, to the reps. The guys aren't getting reps, live reps, like meaningful reps, not, not jog through or helmet only reps, like offensive linemen. You, you got to feel yourself getting in these fits with the guys you're playing next to. You got to feel a pass rush. And I just think you don't get the consistency of that through training camp anymore just because there's, you got a lot of day, there's days off built in, which rightfully so, coaches don't want to get guys hurt. But I do think, think I've heard, I've talked to guys from around the league and the teams that do hit it hard in training camp, you usually can tell at the beginning of the season who's playing the best and the most physical and look like they're sharp and there's not a lot of pre snap penalties and they usually probably had a tough training camp.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is there one unit, one offensive line around the league that you think might not be getting as much publicity, but you're like, these guys are doing a great job.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, honestly, I would say Dallas. I mean, I'm being biased, but I just think it's the amount of people they've played. They've. They've played a lot of young guys, a lot of backup guys who've played really well and like they've protected their butts off. Dax been sitting back there and I don't think his sack numbers are very high, and they've been running the ball pretty good. I love watching the Lions play. Penne Sewell is like my favorite player. He's an absolute monster.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Down the field, he's huge. Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Like, people, he's. I met him at the Pro bowl one year and he's like. I think he's like 330, but he doesn't look 330.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Zach Martin]

So I love the Lions. I love the. The Chiefs. They got, you know, Trey Smith and. And Humphreys. You know, I love watching Lane and. And, you know, some of those guys on Philly doing their thing.

[Big Cat]

But they fall start. You think the twitch push is a false start?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I mean, it's clear they've been false starting. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, they call it. What was the game last week? The other team, they. They called it twice on them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Interesting.

[Zach Martin]

No, I'm not. I'm not a Tish Push hater. I think it's. I wish that we did the Tish push. I mean, it's pretty sick that you're able to do it and it's. Anyone can do it and they just do it better. I think there's some things they could obviously clean up, but it would be pretty sick to run a play and be like, no one can stop this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I agree.

[Big Cat]

I think it's. It. It's very clearly a rule change that's being written by haters.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The haters. Legislators. Losers. Losers. If you. If you can't stop it, then I guess your only other option is to try. To try to write it out of the game. I think that's. That's wimp behavior. Now, if it is passed, if the rule change passed, I'd be okay with that.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I'm not gonna vote for it.

[Zach Martin]

Division, guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I would like to see out of the game in terms of. Just for my own rooting interest. But, like, they're just. Any other team is free to try.

[PFT Commenter]

Was funny when it got voted on. I think they did a list and it was like, everyone who has to play. The Eagles voted.

[Zach Martin]

Did they show the list?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think it was. It was like pretty much one for one.

[Zach Martin]

Well, it is like when you get into fourth and one. It's like when you're on the sideline and normally it's like, oh, they're punting here to demoralize and be like, they're.

[PFT Commenter]

Going to get it, you know, automatic. Yeah. Max.

[Max]

Dan Campbell. Only Lions. Only team that play the Eagles this year that voted that Checks out.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Zach Martin]

That's.

[PFT Commenter]

Man, he, like, couldn't break. He probably was like, I will have to retire if you make to ban this play.

[Big Cat]

Yes. The owner was probably like, dan, you're voting to ban this play? He's like, we. I will not do it. You'll have to drag me out of here.

[PFT Commenter]

Here's my gun and badge. All right. So I think that one cool thing about how football has evolved and the Internet is people have gotten very. A lot smarter about football. The way we talk about football, a big thing is that all sacks are not on the offensive line. That's got to feel good to finally get that. But what would you say, like, in general, how many sacks in a given season are on the offensive line and how many are on the quarterback?

[Zach Martin]

I don't even think it's all on the quarterback necessarily. I think there's more times than you think that like.

[PFT Commenter]

Like.

[Zach Martin]

The route concepts get messed up and then that throws the queue off and then someone. Guys get. Someone gets beat late. And I think there's more factors than just quarterback o line.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Zach Martin]

I think majority are going to fall in the low line, obviously, and. But those ones are pretty straightforward. Right. When you're watching a game, it's like.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, yeah, he got beat.

[Zach Martin]

Got beat in two and a half seconds. It's a sack. But there's more than you think that I. That stuff breaks down on the back end that they don't talk about.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Because it does feel like we're getting to a smarter place where it's. And also, like quarterbacks holding onto the ball too long where it's like, hey, you had a pocket or escaping a clean pocket. Like, those things are frustrating.

[Zach Martin]

And that's the thing, I think, too, like, young quarterbacks, that's like the first thing they learn. It's like, oh, I don't have time to, like, sit back here. And I mean, it's got to be. You got three seconds to catch the ball and know where you're going. It's got to get out because everything's working together, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is. That's why I love football.

[Big Cat]

Do you like watching football?

[Zach Martin]

I do. I love watching football. Yep. Sundays, my son's starting to get into a big time. Like, last year was like the first year, which kind of sucks because my last year, but it was like the first year he was really into it. So Sundays, like, we print out the slate every week. He circles his. His. His winners.

[PFT Commenter]

And how's he been doing?

[Zach Martin]

He's Been killing it. That's the.

[PFT Commenter]

Send it, dude.

[Zach Martin]

He went.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you just straight.

[Zach Martin]

I don't care. It's a straight pickup.

[PFT Commenter]

Still sending lines.

[Zach Martin]

He went nine and three.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, send it. God damn it.

[Big Cat]

I'll talk to anyone.

[Zach Martin]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll take pictures.

[Zach Martin]

No spreads. Just straight up. Straight up. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's got to be a great feeling.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

When he wins game.

[Zach Martin]

Oh, he loves it. Yeah. Or wake up Monday morning, be like, who won the Sunday night game last night?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. How'd you tell him about the tie?

[Zach Martin]

He was. That one threw him for a loop.

[PFT Commenter]

He was like, Donovan McNabb. Like, I didn't know you could tie.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, that one. And that was a late one. The Eastern, that's been like, the. My biggest adjustment back to Indy is Eastern times sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

And you. Yeah. Indy should be in Central.

[Zach Martin]

It should, because it's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Zach Martin]

I mean, you drive 45 minutes west and it's.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Central. But those game. Like that game, that tie game didn't get over to, like, 1 130.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The double header on Monday for that. And that was terrible football to watch. Yeah. With the packers one, though, you get. You could have just been like, yeah, we tied, but we won that tie. Like that. The cap.

[PFT Commenter]

You did?

[Zach Martin]

Oh, yeah. I think if you're looking at. If they're. I mean. Yes. With all the. The hype around it and the thing. They're going to come in or. And roll us over, and that was. That was a good one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Did you used to ever have to go, like, one on one against Micah during. During practice?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Yeah. It sucks.

[Big Cat]

What was he like?

[Zach Martin]

He's kind of like, I kind of like, they're not the same at all. So don't take this this way. But, like, the ways that Donald could beat you, like, he could beat you with power, speed, explosion, all that stuff. Like, Micah can do that kind of stuff. Like. And he doesn't. He's not, like, an overly big guy. He doesn't look all jacked up.

[PFT Commenter]

Up.

[Zach Martin]

But the guy's just got, like, incredible explosion and strength, and he's another guy. He can just make you look dumb. Like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

We'd have practices where you literally couldn't run plays.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

You know, or we'd have rule. Like, in training camp, you usually don't have, like, game plan rules. You're just running how the play's put in. But we would have, like, practice game plan rules for. For Micah going into practice.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty cool.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That is awesome. That good that's like, hey, here's a rule against you at what. So when you got drafted, there was obviously a lot of talk because everyone thought the Cowboys were going to draft Johnny Menzel.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Was there a moment that Jerry Jones, like, a year or two in your career, he's like, hey, just want to say I'm sorry. Like, you. You're way better than Johnny, man.

[Zach Martin]

So I don't know if I've ever talked to him, like, about, like, he taught. He mentioned a little bit in, like, my retirement press conference.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Talk to, like, Stephen and all the other scouts. And like, we had this older scout. He's the Olan Gay. His name's Walter, and he used to always be like, I stood on the table for you, man. I was in there.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Zach Martin]

So, yeah, we. We. It was always. Always a. A little joke around the facility.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'd say they made the right pick.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, they made. They made the right call.

[PFT Commenter]

They made the right pick.

[Big Cat]

What Jerry say during the. The press conference, was he like, you know, he still thinks there's something about.

[Zach Martin]

How he did, like, didn't. He actually didn't want to draft Manzel. They just, like, blew it up in that way. And everyone laughed. It was like, you know, clearly you wanted them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You want him. I. I did call you a bust on your draft night.

[Zach Martin]

Did you? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But that was when I was busting everyone the entire. So I said, Zach Martin's name is not Johnny Manzel. Bust.

[Zach Martin]

Bust.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I just busted out.

[Zach Martin]

I used that my entire career.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, There we go. Printed out. But they called me a bust.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm prove them wrong. Yeah. Have you thought about your. What you're gonna say in Canton?

[Zach Martin]

Say again?

[PFT Commenter]

What are you gonna say in Canton? No, you should think about that. I got a few years, but you should start thinking about that.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe a prop. Maybe a water. What if you smash watermelon mallet.

[Zach Martin]

We were smashing this thing with. It's like a big wooden. Like, I thought the head of this thing was probably that big.

[Big Cat]

It was like, specifically for smashing.

[Zach Martin]

Like, he told the guy to give me something to smash his watermelon.

[Big Cat]

Maybe bring like a cake out. You know, like that show. Is it cake? But it's a.

[Zach Martin]

It's a. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Crust of your head.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then you smash that. It's watermelon cake on the inside.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, you should smash a watermelon. That would be the coolest.

[Zach Martin]

I love how, like, the smallest things are, like. Are like the biggest.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, it's all goes back to gambling.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I lost money on that game. If I had the. Well, actually, no. If I had the cowboys and I'd known about it, it. I'd be talking about it in a different way. I'd be like, holy. Remember when I won a bet from Smash Watermelon? But I just remember the news came out later that week, and I was like, of course lost that game.

[Zach Martin]

The information that would have been useful.

[PFT Commenter]

They smashed the watermelon. You can't just do that.

[Big Cat]

This might be a dumb question, but have you had to, like, pick up any new hobbies since you retired? Like, you had a lot of time to fill now, right?

[Zach Martin]

A lot of time to fill. I mean, the kids, like, we're kind of in the thick of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

My wife's pregnant. We got three little ones. I played a lot of golf this summer. We talked about that. My wife's family has a lake house, so we're up there a lot of the summer.

[Big Cat]

It's pretty nice.

[PFT Commenter]

Find that.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we're gonna find that trophy.

[Zach Martin]

Oh, the trophy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we're gonna find that.

[Big Cat]

What are we gonna do with it when we find it?

[PFT Commenter]

Put it in the. Put in the studio if we find it.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

Hell yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we're going trophy.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah. In northeast Indiana. Not. Not too far from here.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Like, three hours maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

We got no problem finding that trophy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we got. Oh, Zach would look great.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, Zach, you could scuba.

[Zach Onto]

If it's to find the trophy, I'm down to do whatever. Let's do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Zach, did you have some.

[Zach Martin]

If we're not finding the trophy, you're not down to scuba.

[Zach Onto]

We will scuba with intent to find the trophy. We don't find it, it'll probably still be a great scuba day on lake.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Have you ever scuba dove?

[Zach Onto]

Not as deep as I would assume that trophy's been. I've done, like, a little snorkeling, but nothing would.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, that's not scuba.

[Zach Onto]

No, never.

[PFT Commenter]

Never a scuba situation.

[Big Cat]

How heavy is the trophy?

[Zach Martin]

I'm trying to think if you guys have any stuff in here.

[Big Cat]

Well, could. Could a guy like me? Could I lift it up?

[Zach Martin]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so we could.

[Zach Martin]

Like, this wide.

[Big Cat]

Maybe we could pick it up off the bottom of the lake and swim up. No problem.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, we're trying. It's been down there a while, though. We're talking probably eight, nine years it's been down there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This is exciting. I'm looking. All right. I'm looking at the Trophy. It's not that big. Yeah, no, no. We could definitely find it.

[Zach Martin]

Let me see. Yeah, the same one.

[Big Cat]

It's got metal on it.

[Zach Martin]

That one. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We could definitely find this trophy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I want to find this trophy so bad now. All right, well, this has been awesome. Zach, you're gonna watch football with us tonight. I got one last question. Roback question. Rho, B, A, C, K.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. I asked this for whenever we have offensive linemen on the show, and I. I'm just. You know, it's kind of boring to ask the same question, but I'm always just curious about it.

[Big Cat]

Do you.

[PFT Commenter]

What. What play? And if you're on a drive, at what point are you. Like, we know we got them. Like, they're.

[Zach Martin]

They're. Good question.

[PFT Commenter]

They're.

[Big Cat]

Good question.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you. They're. They're, like, dying for air, and we got them.

[Zach Martin]

I would say if we're moving it, like, consistently after, like, I don't know, four, three or four plays, like, when they start, like, they're already starting to switch in for the backups, and they're coming back like. Like, we got them on the ropes. You're just waiting for a big one to hit.

[PFT Commenter]

That's got to be a great feeling thing.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, that is a good feeling.

[PFT Commenter]

Just leaning on them.

[Zach Martin]

Just leaning on them. No, we're gonna call another, like, the same run play again, and they. They can't do anything.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you ever. Did you ever play in a game where you called the same run play?

[Zach Martin]

Like, we did it in. In Pittsburgh to not. Was that last year? The year. The. The. The delay game where it was a super late. I think it was maybe in last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Zach Martin]

But late in the game, I think we called the same one, like, four or five times in a row.

[PFT Commenter]

That's got to be a great feeling where it's just like, hey, you can't stop.

[Zach Martin]

And the deep, like, yelling. Like, it's just. It's coming right here, same place. Good luck.

[PFT Commenter]

That's an awesome feeling.

[Big Cat]

It's great.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. Oh, last. Last question. You were present for maybe the greatest Bears quarterbacking performance of all time. How were you in awe of Josh McCown on that Monday Night Football game?

[Zach Martin]

Was that in Chicago? Yeah, I was in awe of them, yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you don't remember it? God damn it.

[Zach Martin]

Well, I remember winning the game.

[PFT Commenter]

No, the Bears won. Maybe this was before you.

[Zach Martin]

Was that the super cold game? Yes, very cold year before I got here.

[PFT Commenter]

Very. Oh, okay. So. But you were in Austin.

[Zach Martin]

That was 2013.

[PFT Commenter]

You were in awe.

[Zach Martin]

I was in. Well, I was in awe just watching. I heard how cold it was.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. The Bears won that game 45 to 28. And Josh McCown, I want to say he was 27 for 36, 348, four touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty.

[Zach Martin]

I think. I think that was 2013.

[PFT Commenter]

2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you ever play in a super cool game like that?

[Zach Martin]

That we played Chicago the next year, I think on a Thursday night was cold. We played Philly one year. It was miserable. I think it was the year they won the super bowl because we were out. We played them the last week of the season. We were out of it and they were. Already had their stuff locked up, so they weren't even really playing their guys. But we were still playing all of our guys. And it was like, this sucks. 15 with the wind was whipping through. I remember talking to Chris Long. Like he was out there like the first quarter and he's like, dude, this shit's for the bird. Yeah, it's like, I know. I'm going to. I'm going to Vegas on Thursday.

[Big Cat]

Would you wear sleeves?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, I never wore sleeves.

[PFT Commenter]

Did anyone on your line ever wear sleeves?

[Zach Martin]

I. I think for that I. That 13 game, the Chicago game, I think guys did because I think it was.

[PFT Commenter]

It was very cold. It was like freezing.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Zero degrees.

[Zach Martin]

I don't think when we were there in the cold games, we didn't ever. We played a rain game in New England one year. I think it was 2019. It was like 40, but it rained the whole game, which is almost worse than if it's like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you know, and you wore sleeves.

[Big Cat]

No, no, I would never.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would judge you. I'd actually say no, I would judge myself.

[Big Cat]

I'd say we should have taken Johnny Manzel.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, so did you ever play with any offensive lineman who ever wore sleeves?

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, some guys wear like the. I guess it's like the new look now, like the loose. Loose fitting sleeves.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

It's not to stay warm. Like, that's like their.

[PFT Commenter]

That's just a swag.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, they're swag.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think Trent Williams might said have started that.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, probably.

[PFT Commenter]

And you can't talk to.

[Zach Martin]

You can't.

[Big Cat]

Goddamn.

[Zach Martin]

Unbelievable.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What about gloves? Would you change your glove color depending on the jerseys of the other team?

[Zach Martin]

So the last couple years we. Mike Solari was our line coach, and I never had a line coach that was like this, but he would do it. Like, he would have our. He would have our equipment guys, like, color our. Our. The outside of our gloves. Like, we were playing a team that was wearing darker jerseys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Like, I'd get into the locker room in my glove because I. I would put a new pair of gloves on for the game, and, like, my gloves would be like, Sharpie. Like, they'd be black.

[Big Cat]

That's smart.

[PFT Commenter]

Smart.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. They would hand draw.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, they would just, like, if we were playing it, you know, Latinos wearing like. Like Philly, like, dark green, they would just take a black Sharpie and, like, all the white spots, they would cover it in black Sharpie.

[Big Cat]

That's really.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. I also feel like offensive linemen, like, did you ever throw on a knee brace even though you didn't need one?

[Zach Martin]

No, no, no, no, no, no. That was the best part about coming to the NFL. You didn't have to wear knee braces.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because. Yeah, there are those clunky knee braces.

[Zach Martin]

We would. They would make us. Jerry would get, like, every. Not every year, but every so often. We'd have, like, an injury in training camp, and he'd get pissed, and he would just make all the O lineman and D line and wear knee braces. Like, that was, like. That was the reason we got hurt, you know, like, put the knee braces back on.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's so funny. Oh, man. All right, well, Zach, this has been awesome, man. Love having you here. Definitely come back. And like I said, it was. It was very cool when we met you at the super bowl, and you're like, yeah, I'm a listener. I was like, holy.

[Zach Martin]

I may be a. I may be a day one. Listen.

[Max]

Holy.

[PFT Commenter]

You're nine times.

[Zach Martin]

Is. Was Chris Long your first interview?

[PFT Commenter]

He was our second. I wanted.

[Zach Martin]

Okay, that was the first episode. The first episode.

[PFT Commenter]

It might have been first.

[Zach Martin]

He might have been flawed.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach Martin]

That may have been the first. Because I. I followed you guys before PMT and all that, so when you guys started that, I was on it.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Zach Martin]

It was like, 2015, maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, well, we'll. We might have to have you write a little something in the book, because we're trying to write a book, and it's. It's. It's hard to write a book. So you're gonna just. Just write us a piss.

[Zach Martin]

Thanks for writing the different times I chuckle in my car by myself.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Just be like, yeah, Zach Martin's. Favorite times that they made a joke.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You go into the park parking lot and we're talking about dak and you just turn the volume all the way.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or maybe it's just like we don't even have to say what lake it is because we don't want people showing up to the lake. But maybe it's just a diagram of a lake lake, you know, hypothetical lake and just you just saying where you think it might be. And that would just be a whole page treasure map.

[Zach Martin]

I know where it says.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right, so we'll do that. We'll do that. All right. Well, Zach, thanks so much, man.

[Zach Martin]

I appreciate it, guys.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Pepsi.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

We got fire fest of the week. Henry, would you like to start us off? By the way, reminder stow blue coffee ready to drink cans. I talked about the beginning of the show.

[Big Cat]

So good I had the espresso sweet cream. Oh, it is the best.

[Hank]

The espresso cafe mocha is, is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Dangerously good yellow coffee dot com. Amazon, GoPuff. Get it everywhere. We're going to be in some convenience stores soon. Save some dogs. Hank.

[Hank]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean fire fest.

[Hank]

We talked about the ant fire fest and just kind of like the, the fire. The vibe. Yeah, the vibe vibe of that match, which I don't really. I, I would do it again. Probably will do it again.

[PFT Commenter]

You would him again.

[Hank]

I didn't even.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I just.

[PFT Commenter]

You were so confident that you had his score right.

[Big Cat]

You think I was a liar?

[Hank]

I honestly, what it was was that I was just so far back on that whole strokes wise that I couldn't fathom. Like I was kind of. It was denial.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I didn't think you were a liar. I was just in denial about my own.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Stats, whatever you have on a whole you assume that the other person can't be that. That much better than you.

[Hank]

Yeah, it was more. Yeah. I just. Yeah, that was, it was denial. I apologize and I apologize again. But it is more just the fire fest that it. This week was the, the realization. It all set in like winter's here. It's. It's over.

[PFT Commenter]

It's still fall.

[Hank]

The, the clocks are turning back this weekend. Like it's already getting dark early. That's what's tough is when it gets dark at six and you're like, we haven't changed. The clocks are turning back. And next week it's gonna be five.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it's, it's just cold. Like there was, you know, a couple days where it was like we got out of work late afternoon where you know, if it was nice weather, it's like, oh, maybe shoot up, play a quick nine holes. Like it was too cold to do that. It was like, yeah, I don't want to play golf because it's 40 and windy and rainy and it's not going to get warmer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

For months.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it's going to get darker earlier and it Damn, dude sucks.

[Big Cat]

I heard from, I think this guy was a meteorologist. He said that Chicago might supposed to be having the coldest winter of all time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Last 30 years.

[Big Cat]

In the last 30 years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Mincy said that.

[PFT Commenter]

Mincy said that. He tweeted that. He's like, someone just told me that Chicago's gonna have the coldest winter in the last 30 years.

[Big Cat]

This winter.

[Max]

I saw a tick tock on the same thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Thing. Yeah, it's. They just, there's like a air mass or something. And they try to. They always predict this vortex.

[Hank]

Just.

[PFT Commenter]

Just look at, look at a squirrel's tail. If it's a bushy tail, it's gonna be cold.

[Big Cat]

I go by the caterpillars, the size of the caterpillars.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So, yeah, it's just. It's depressing.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm sorry.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Max]

We should do Snowbird as a podcast.

[Zach Martin]

We really should.

[Big Cat]

That's a good idea.

[PFT Commenter]

We are going on spring break.

[Big Cat]

Really good idea. South Padre island.

[PFT Commenter]

We're going spring break.

[Big Cat]

I kind of like the idea. Talking about just wintering in.

[PFT Commenter]

We're going to Arizona in March. We've talked about.

[Big Cat]

We have talked about this.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know why we're talking about Scottsdale.

[Max]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

But, yeah, we've talked about it. Right.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Why don't we just take the pod to Hawaii?

[PFT Commenter]

Live in Hawaii?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Be done recording the show at like.

[Max]

No, just, like, just when it gets cold here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. 10:00am.

[PFT Commenter]

You guys want to move to Hawaii?

[Max]

Yeah, just for the. Just for the cold months.

[Big Cat]

They got football.

[Max]

It would be so hard.

[Big Cat]

They do have. No. They got football over there.

[PFT Commenter]

It's so hard for you to figure out time zones.

[Max]

Oh, time zones.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd be dead. That London game would be on at like 2 in the morning.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Maybe even earlier.

[Max]

We could all just go with my method and just pretend like it doesn't exist.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not gonna do that.

[PFT Commenter]

That.

[Max]

Yeah, me neither.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would maybe move to Hawaii if Hank, we. We have to move back. If Hank misses one second of a London game.

[Hank]

I'd be locked in.

[Zach Martin]

Then.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, you fall asleep for even a second.

[Zach Martin]

Boom.

[PFT Commenter]

Pack the bags.

[Zach Martin]

U haul.

[Hank]

I'd make that. I make that trade.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

Be worth it.

[Big Cat]

It would be so worth it.

[Hank]

It surf so much.

[PFT Commenter]

You wouldn't surf. There's no chance. You'd surf.

[Big Cat]

You'd be always golfing.

[Hank]

I'd body surf so much.

[PFT Commenter]

You'd body surf so much. Body surfing would rock. Okay, so that was your firefight just bumming us all out.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

I've been bummed out this week, so I figured, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Might as well just pass it off to us.

[Zach Onto]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Has nothing to do with the fact that pft embarrassed you on the.

[Zach Onto]

Well, that.

[Hank]

I mean, that's part of it.

[PFT Commenter]

We.

[Hank]

We already did talk about that. And that's, like, going to be the last thing kind of thing that I have to think about for the winter. It's just my performance in that. In that match.

[Big Cat]

So the match isn't over. It's not part two. That's coming out.

[Hank]

There is part two, and part two's part two.

[Big Cat]

It gets wild.

[Hank]

It gets wild. There was some fight. I'm proud of the fight. But it's just gonna be a long winter.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I shot a 40. It's tough to beat a 42.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't say winter yet. It's like 50 degrees outside.

[Hank]

Yeah, but the coldest winter ever. It's cold.

[Big Cat]

It is. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's gonna suck.

[Max]

This is all bad vibes.

[PFT Commenter]

He's coming me out.

[Hank]

Wait, what's the name of the segment?

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, got it. Yeah.

[Hank]

Sorry.

[Big Cat]

You're doing ice.

[Hank]

You want good vibes? Like what?

[PFT Commenter]

My bad.

[Max]

You're right. You're right.

[PFT Commenter]

You're right, Max.

[Max]

Normally, it's a personal fire fest.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's just bumming everyone.

[Hank]

This is personal. This is. It's been. This has. This has been my week. This week is like. Because even when it's like, we. Even when I can't golf, I like walking outside and being like, oh, it'd be nice to golf right now. Like, it's nice to be outside and be like, oh, like, this is like, someone out there is enjoying. Bring a nice. A nice round.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm looking at this, and that makes me feel good. 15 days, and it's 55 every day. That's incredible weather, Max. Dude, fall weather. 55 is awesome. That's great golf weather.

[Big Cat]

You can golf in 50.

[PFT Commenter]

You can absolutely golf.

[Hank]

Oh, no. I just broke my keychain too.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, obviously winter's coming, but you can't say winter's here in October, which is, like, 55 degrees.

[Hank]

And the. And the. What about the light?

[PFT Commenter]

The clock. The clock's changing on Saturday.

[Big Cat]

That is an issue. That's an issue. I agree with the early, early sunset. I don't like leaving work when it's dark outside.

[PFT Commenter]

55 is awesome weather.

[Big Cat]

It is, Hank. You know what I'm gonna do?

[Hank]

What?

[Big Cat]

I. I'm gonna take you golfing.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Next week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I'm gonna show you it's not done yet. Show some fight. All right, fine. Be a man, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Fight.

[Big Cat]

You gotta rage against this winner with everything that you're worth.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you want to maybe, like, pretend you're gonna dunk again so you have something to work for? Nah.

[Zach Martin]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Would pretend you're gonna need a six pack? I don't know.

[Hank]

I can do that. I'm on. I'm on the. I'm on the right path.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. For a six pack.

[Hank]

Yeah. Work it out.

[PFT Commenter]

When's that coming?

[Hank]

I, I don't want to set a date.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

That's smart. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Pft. Your fire fest.

[Big Cat]

I mean, in that same video that, that Hank has been talking about, the video, I, I noticed I am definitely looking fat these days. Got my physical a couple weeks ago, so pretty heavy right now. Hank, if you want, if you want to mentor me and get me in shape, if that's a project, get me jacked again. Make. Pft. Jacked again. I'm, I, I. There were a couple video, like, angles in the video that I saw. I was like, that is, it's time. It's time to call it.

[Hank]

You want to do some, like, it's not really jack. It's more like mobility, but, like, if we can do some golf, I want to do some golf, you know?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we'll play. Yeah, let's play golf.

[Zach Onto]

Specific.

[Hank]

No golf specific workouts. Like offseason season.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually would like to get jacked.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I, My fire fest is similar that I've, I've been noticing. Like, this is the part of the football season where my body starts to break down. Yeah. And like, I don't sleep, but I've also been noticing I haven't been sleeping, but, like, my body, my brain is tired, but my body isn't. I need to find a way to like, lift a couple times a week.

[Big Cat]

Because when your body has energy, your brain has energy, Right? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where I'll just notice. I just feel like. And I feel like I am. I feel like I might be at my weakest right now.

[Big Cat]

I, I, I pre regret saying this. I shouldn't say it. I shouldn't say this.

[Zach Martin]

What?

[Big Cat]

The ice cream machine is not helping.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's the ice cream.

[Big Cat]

The ice cream machine is not. Zach, let's be honest.

[PFT Commenter]

You have some self control, buddy.

[Big Cat]

I put 90 of my recent weight gain on the ice cream.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, if you want to blame it, that's fine.

[Zach Onto]

We all say things we don't mean, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Self control.

[Big Cat]

That's why I said I shouldn't say it. But.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what you could do? I skip lunch and then have ice cream.

[Big Cat]

I've started to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's just Cat, you know, you just got to count. I count my calories in ice cream.

[Big Cat]

Only because my, my normal diet around this time of year, every year, it's. It's S's. I only eat soup, salad, smoothies.

[PFT Commenter]

You always say that, but now I got ice cream. It's just dessert soup.

[Zach Onto]

Sundays.

[PFT Commenter]

Sundays.

[Hank]

What about like, yeah, the wings and pizza we get on.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's during football.

[Big Cat]

That's international waters.

[PFT Commenter]

We literally, before we started recording, Max was like, donnie's making us brisket sandwiches for dinner.

[Max]

Prime rib.

[PFT Commenter]

Prime rib, yeah. You were like, yeah.

[Max]

He'S getting the deli slicer.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man.

[Big Cat]

All right, let me revise what my diet. Usually it's salad, soups, and smoothies for lunch. Usually.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You just gotta skip lunch. That's an s. I go breakfast, ice cream, dinner. Yeah. And then ice cream.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The problem is when I have the smoothies, then I'm like, well, I didn't have lunch. I can basically have ice cream.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

You skip breakfast. You just eat lunch at breakfast times.

[PFT Commenter]

Fact.

[Max]

Like, yes, your 10:00am meals are.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're lunch, but they're not. But I don't do breakfast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I brunch. I brunch every day. I brunch every day. I have like a burrito at 9:30 in the morning.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Martin]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I don't eat again till like 8pm at night.

[Big Cat]

My real fire fest, though, is I am going to Kansas City in Arrowhead.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I've committed to it. I'm going to go. It would. It would be a move on my part if I didn't go.

[PFT Commenter]

You ain't no.

[Big Cat]

I ain't no. One thing about me ain't no.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

Ain't no in this seat. So I'm going to Arrowhead and I'm going to bring back a cover. Much like I went to Qatar. I went to Qatar on a mission to bring back a draw against England in the World Cup. Promises made, promises delivered. We won that tie. We are going to win the. Out of this cover against the Chiefs. 12 and a half points is a lot of points. I don't know how we're going to do it. I don't know what defense we're going to be running. I don't know if the same guys are going to be at the. It's. I'm going to make it happen.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So I'm not backing out of a trip, but I'm also not looking forward to the trip.

[Zach Onto]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Especially. What time's your flight on Monday?

[Big Cat]

Flight on Monday is like two.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. That's not.

[Big Cat]

It's not bad. And then the flight back, that's gonna be the early one. That's gonna be a tough one. That's gonna be a tough one because to watch that game, I'm gonna have to drink some beer.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You have to have to drink beer. It's a must.

[PFT Commenter]

What if you guys just win?

[Big Cat]

You never know. Listen, I'm on. I'm on money line already.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, let's just win.

[Big Cat]

I believe then it wins only two and a half points.

[PFT Commenter]

Just do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I might just win. Yeah, I think I'll just win.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Yeah. My five versus my body's breaking. I mean, this just happens every year right around here where it's just like I've. I haven't slept. I. I got just bad sleep. And my daughter's decided to just come in every night scared because of Halloween season. Halloween. I like Halloween, but it sucks sometimes because they, like, see ghosts and all the time and it's just always in their head and they talk about it right before they go to bed. And then 4am I saw a ghost.

[Big Cat]

You got decorations up, up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Lights. You got skeleton, no skeleton. We got spiders. Lights like pumpkins. Yeah, we do it right.

[Big Cat]

It's fas.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we do it right.

[Big Cat]

I saw at Costco the other day, they have obviously the. The giant skeleton that we've all seen, but there's a bigger skeleton this year. Oh, it's like three times the size of the giant skeleton.

[PFT Commenter]

Might have to get that.

[Big Cat]

I was thinking about picking it up and just. Should we just assemble it, like, inside the gym and not tell anybody that.

[PFT Commenter]

Might have to do it.

[Max]

Growing up, my family had like a 10 foot, like, statue of Frankenstein. Like a. Like, it's not inflatable, just like a real deal statue. Statue of Frankenstein. And my mom would only put it out for. For Halloween night and would chain it to a tree because she was so scared that someone would.

[PFT Commenter]

Would come one night.

[Hank]

One night.

[Max]

She was way too scared that it.

[PFT Commenter]

Was gonna get stolen.

[Max]

So it was just one night and it was chained to a tree. Just so. Just for Halloween.

[Big Cat]

I mean, it's Philly. They'll steal anything there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

RIP Hitchbot.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude. Have you seen the robots, by the way?

[Max]

Yeah, I want to hitch bottom.

[PFT Commenter]

I do too. And the worst part about those is I'll see a robot and then I'll tell. Like, I'll be in the car, be like, kids, look, a robot. And then they'll just be like, where's the next robot? Like, I don't know where the robots are, but I want to see a robot. I want to see a robot. It's like, I can't. I can't predict when we're gonna see another robot. It becomes robot time. I know I made the mistake now. All we do is talk about, let's go find a robot. I'm like, it's some fucking idiot who just, like, is ordering their Thai food. Yeah, just shut up about the robots.

[Big Cat]

I hate those robots.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we should fuck them up.

[Big Cat]

You know what? Maybe next iteration of the car stick is just a giant magnet. And if you see a robot rolling around, just go and put the magnet on it.

[PFT Commenter]

I do like those seeing the robot. Like, have you seen the robot get bodied trying across the street? Yeah. For it. That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Cuz like, cars won't stop for it. So it just keeps, like stopping and starting because they censor it. Yeah, it's awesome. Just like you robot, you're stuck here forever.

[Big Cat]

Idiot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, let's up one of those robots.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I hate those.

[PFT Commenter]

They probably have cameras on it and shit. All right, Zach, what's your fire fest?

[Zach Onto]

My fair fest of the week is I know nobody cares about your fantasy team, but my firefest this week is that I keep opening up the fan. The.

[PFT Commenter]

The.

[Zach Onto]

The app I use for fantasy football because I was dropped. I was. I was canned midweek last week by what some are saying is maybe a corrupt commissioner. I was kicked from the league.

[Big Cat]

You got booted?

[PFT Commenter]

I got booted.

[Big Cat]

Banhammer.

[PFT Commenter]

By who? What league?

[Zach Onto]

Just a league that I'm in with some guys I know back home. And they're saying the commissioner might be corrupt. I don't know if he is, but I got canned midweek. Not good.

[PFT Commenter]

What did you do?

[Zach Onto]

They're saying, I guess what the committee is saying is I didn't set my lineup correctly, but what happened was I got got. We played Thursday, game went through, and then I got got by an injury status change. And they were. And he's just like, sorry, had to drop you. And because you didn't set the lineup how you should have set the lineup.

[Big Cat]

Who was it who got injured?

[Zach Onto]

Off the top of my head. Don't remember. I'm trying to blank it out. I'm trying to, like, push it away.

[PFT Commenter]

What the fuck?

[Zach Onto]

I just want to say that ain't right.

[Big Cat]

So you had every intention of starting players that were. That were playing, but you're saying one of the guys was.

[Zach Onto]

Yes. This corrupt commissioner also had the audacity to say after I was banished from the league to then reset the lineup for the next guy up and say, this is how any rational person would have set the lineup. And I just want to say, who are you to tell somebody else how to run their programs?

[Big Cat]

A rational person? That's Such a subjective thing.

[PFT Commenter]

What happened to your. What happened to your team?

[Zach Onto]

Couldn't agree more. I would. Am currently in my team would just. They just filled the slot with a new guy, gave him the team.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Zach Onto]

Insane. I was currently in 8th place. The commissioner, coincidentally 7th place. I also want to say commissioner coincidentally. First guy to make trades with the team.

[Zach Martin]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

He installed a puppet.

[PFT Commenter]

And how. Tell me the backstory of this team real quick. These are guys, you know?

[Zach Onto]

These are guys that I know.

[PFT Commenter]

How long have you been in this league?

[Zach Onto]

This is my first year in the league because some other dude dropped out of the league. And I was like, okay, I'm down to get in the league.

[PFT Commenter]

I've never heard this before. You can't just drop someone mid season. You could be. Not invited back.

[Zach Onto]

And then retroactively set the lead, set the lineup for the next guy after the slate had already started. Like, well, let's just.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's backpedal and what did you make a mistake with?

[Zach Onto]

I had. I had an injury status change. What do you mean? I didn't like. I don't have auto substitutions on. Yeah, like manual. And then a guy went from like, questionable to out. And then the game started.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's not your fault.

[Zach Onto]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

We're.

[Zach Onto]

We're on the same page, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

I've done way worse. I had a week this year that I. I didn't start a quarterback. And it's two quarterback leak because. But that was also. My hands were tied. I had a. I had a bye week and an injury and I was like, I don't. There's no one I can pick up.

[Big Cat]

But this commissioner, he just. He just wanted to get his. His like puppet regime so that he could control them. And now they're just like a branch of his team.

[Zach Onto]

I agree. I believe one of the first trades that my previous team made was he got to pick up Matthew Stafford for like a fourth round pick. And that comes up in a couple years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So. Hey, Zach. Oh, this is like a keeper lead.

[PFT Commenter]

Say the guy's name, but we'll bleep it.

[Zach Onto]

Which I'll just go first. Name. His name is Jacob.

[Big Cat]

Fuck.

[PFT Commenter]

Fuck. Jacob. Wait, it's not our Jacob.

[Zach Onto]

No, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Jacob. Jacob.

[Zach Onto]

There. Some are saying corrupt commissioner. I'm not saying. But some are saying it.

[Max]

I'm keeping the name in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

I was never gonna believe it.

[Big Cat]

No. Weird.

[PFT Commenter]

Max. We were never gonna bleep it.

[Big Cat]

Now, were there, like, bylaws, Were there rules of this team that were written in the App, like, when you look at the team, the. The league setup, does it say, like, hey, we'll kick you out of the league if you don't. If you miss setting your lineup one week by one player.

[Zach Onto]

Oh, no. It was just explained to me that the. The league made a decision. He's like, everyone in the league said, you got to be out. So then I did a crowd. I resourced and was like, I'm gonna just hit everyone that's in the league.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach Onto]

One to one. Like, hey, did you. Did you vote for this? And, like, no, we didn't vote for this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Snake.

[Big Cat]

Snake up.

[PFT Commenter]

Add memes to the text group. Let him just let. No, add Jerry oconnell. Let Jerry go crazy on him. He'll him up.

[Big Cat]

He will.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, this is.

[Big Cat]

Turn that.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to green. I want to. I want to do something.

[Big Cat]

There's nothing already.

[PFT Commenter]

Could we jump him?

[Zach Onto]

Physical violence.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach Onto]

I'm not weak. I can't.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll do.

[Zach Onto]

We'll figure something out.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Hank's dealt with commissioners before.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that is true. Himself to his front porch. Yo, this is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

I hate this guy Summer saying that guy.

[Zach Onto]

I'm not saying corrupt.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no, he's a piece of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, he's. He's. Snake him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Bad dude. He's got scales. He's got a fork tongue. He's a.

[Zach Onto]

We're on to new teams. Yeah, but you're not next year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Out of fantasy football.

[Zach Onto]

Yeah, I just. I just. I keep clicking the app at, like, muscle memory, and I'm like, oh, yeah. Banned. Banished.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm. I'm like, I'm flabbergasted. I, I, this is. This is. There needs to be a court system.

[Hank]

There's some, like, jealousy going on here.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. We need to, like, put this guy in jail.

[Hank]

Fantasy football.

[Big Cat]

You know what?

[PFT Commenter]

They.

[Big Cat]

They did you a favor, though. It's like, if you fire a coach early on, you've got all the time to look for new jobs now. You've got you. You're gonna have your pick of leagues for next year.

[Zach Onto]

That is true. Tons of time to try to get into a different situation.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Also, this weekend, Friday, Iowa City, Jacob and Zach, the Cream team, are driving. They're being the roadies again for PUP Punk. So we're going to be at El Rays Friday night. I think we go on at, like, 10 or 11, but it's a free show, so come out. See boys. Tell Zach you say, what's up, Zach? If you see boobs, let me know.

[Zach Onto]

I can do that for you.

[Big Cat]

I got you. It's the Flash Zach party.

[PFT Commenter]

Nice.

[Zach Onto]

We're just gonna make sure all that equipment gets there. Safe for a pft.

[Zach Martin]

Everybody.

[Zach Onto]

Come see Pub punk. It's a great show. These guys are awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a really awesome riverboat casino in Dubuque, Iowa.

[Hank]

Maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe the Cream team stops there.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I like that.

[Zach Onto]

That could be a great time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Diamond Joe's, I want to say it's called. Hopefully it's still in service. All right. Good show, boys. Good luck to everyone this weekend. Changing the clocks, Hank. Buming you out?

[Big Cat]

It's an alarm.

[PFT Commenter]

I just can't get the. Out of my head. I really.

[Big Cat]

It's a great move.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't. His face. Yeah. Diamond Joe Casino. Still there. Let's go.

[Big Cat]

Sweet.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Number three.

[Big Cat]

I think that's me.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I got pft. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If PFT gets it, I'm smashing this computer.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay?

[Big Cat]

Smashing it. Me, smashing it. Very mad at me today.

[PFT Commenter]

Smashing it. Okay. Why are you mad?

[Big Cat]

Because I was mean to the Jets.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, would you say I don't.

[Big Cat]

We did the show.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Whatever we said earlier on the show.

[PFT Commenter]

It'S low hanging fruit. Only fruit he could grab.

[Big Cat]

That's good banger.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a banger.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn. All right, does PFT have three?

[Big Cat]

I guess.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, 33.

[Hank]

22.

[Max]

77.

[Big Cat]

Memes. You know what? You can have three. No, no, let's let fate decide it. Okay, memes. What's your number?

[PFT Commenter]

100. Ooh, ballsy. 99 point. 35. 5.

[Big Cat]

44. 86. 77.

[Max]

I would. I would actually run out of the studio of three. Just a run out of the studio.

[PFT Commenter]

69. 69.

[Big Cat]

Sex number.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that right? Yeah, 69. You want to do one?

[Max]

One more.

[PFT Commenter]

One more where everyone has their numbers.

[Max]

Same number, same numbers.

[PFT Commenter]

No shows. No, no, no, no. We'll do one more with one more. One more memes. You don't want to be involved in this one. No, I'm going to.

[Big Cat]

Same number, same number, same number.

[Max]

You want. You want in or out? Memes?

[PFT Commenter]

In or out?

[Max]

Memes in. What's your number? 100.

[PFT Commenter]

113. 13. Love you guys.