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Memes (3:23)

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Hank (4:15)

Yeah, he came out there for the shoot around. He tried to pull the Okie doke on us. But I think that Draymond knew at the start of the game that Steph, like, he, he wanted to get out of this game.

Memes (4:24)

Oh.

Hank (4:25)

So one of those things where, like, he knows that Steph's not gonna be playing, he knows it's not gonna be competitive. So Dre tries to get attack, like right off the bat.

Big Cat (4:33)

Yeah.

Hank (4:33)

And then he gets in the ref's face being like, fuck you. Fuck you. Asking you to get kicked out because he knows that Steph's not playing.

Memes (4:38)

Yeah.

Big Cat (4:39)

So I have a question for you. So Draymond Green did for the 7,000th time, the move where he just flails his arms and legs at an opponent like he's having a full body spasm. This is a world class athlete who has incredible body control, but somehow this keeps happening to him. I actually Feel bad. He should probably see a doctor about this affliction. But afterwards you mentioned it, he yelled at the refs. I think the refs are just scared of Draymond because he just. He gets his technical, like, right away, and then he, he. And then the refs, like, just tune him out for the rest of the game. It's crazy. I think they're just scared to kick him out of a game.

Hank (5:16)

Here's. Here's how it went down. He flails his arms, gets the tee that he wanted. Then the ref goes up to me. He's like, I'm not going to kick you out, Drayon. He's like, fucking kick me out. Fuck you. Do it. Fuck you. And the ref's like, sorry. You can keep cussing all you want. You're not getting ejected from this game. You got to play.

Big Cat (5:32)

Yeah. Your punishment is to have to play without Steph Curry in a playoff game. And that was punishment because the War. The Wolves were so much better than the warriors tonight. There just was no, like, the warriors just couldn't. They didn't have enough offense. And the Wolves, like, even with Anthony Edwards, which. There was a second there where I thought we were going to watch Wolves, warriors with no Anthony Edwards and no Steph Curry. And it was going to be the biggest bummer of all time. But he went out for, I was like a quarter or so. He came back in the second half. So the Wolves, even without Anthony Edwards, they got all their other guys to step up. Like, Julius Randall stepped up big time. Jay McDaniel stepped up. Nas Reed, Nikhil Alexander. Walker had 20. So the Wolves feel like they're back on track a little bit here, especially if Steph's not going to play, because I don't know. I don't know how the warriors win this series without Steph, actually. I'll just say the wars will not win this series without Steph.

Hank (6:26)

They don't. They don't win the series for sure. I think that the Wolves without. It would be favored in Minnesota, I'd say by five and a half points over the warriors without Steph.

Big Cat (6:38)

Yeah. Yeah. And we had. Let's see that Jaden McDaniels. That. That block and dunk was awesome. I mean, the crowd was into it. It was. It was good. It see the Timberls get back on track. By the way, I should have mentioned to start, obviously, we. We record the beginning. We. We recap the Thursday night games from Zoom. Hank is on this episode. We're going back to the studio after we start the show because I, I, some people might skip the intro and, and just see that Hank's not here and like, wow, what a coward. No, he is. He is not a coward. He is on this show. And we have a couple special guests, including Gilbert Arenas, but a couple extra special guests when we get back in studio. So just wanted to set that he.

Hank (7:16)

Also might be a coward and be on the show. Yeah, that's, that's another option, too.

Big Cat (7:20)

Yeah, it could be both. It could be both.

Hank (7:22)

But, yeah, I, it's in this case, like, I think that Steph is actually going to come back sooner than we think that he is. I wouldn't be shocked if he tried to play in their next game, because he knows and with the team they've got right now, he feels like he's been saying, like, this feels like the Last dance type thing that we're trying to do right now. I think he's going to try to come back. Maybe too soon. I hope not too soon. I hope he's able to play and play healthy, because I like watching Steph play, but it's like, you know, it's like, get a blowjob, big cat. That's what I always say about that. But I, I do think that he's going to give it a shot and try to play sooner than he probably should, and we'll see if it works out from there.

Big Cat (8:00)

Yeah, I feel like he might play Saturday. I, I feel like they might just, like, be like, hey, let's just try to win this game Saturday without him. Then Monday, it's, you know, you, if you go down 2, 1 Monday, it's like you need him. And then, and then if you can get it tied, then, then you have a little bit of a brick. Like, there's the Wednesday game, but then there's a little break all the way till Sunday. The NBA scheduling makes no sense. They're playing every other night until Wednesday, and then the next game is Sunday. So I don't understand that. But, yeah, I, I want to see stuff back out there. I, I mean, I think the Timberwolves are very good. I think they can beat stat. They beat the warriors with Steph. It's just that when Steph's not there, there's a zero percent chance.

Hank (8:41)

Yeah. No chance at all for the Warriors. Jimmy Butler can do anything and everything that he wants to do, and he can have a great game without Steph for sure. But again, like, the whole team is going to be limited without one of the best players of all time.

Big Cat (8:53)

Yeah, we also, I. What did the. The Wolves finally, finally shot well from three. So they fixed it. They had a two game stretch where I think we mentioned on Wednesday shows 17% and 14%. They, they, they were very good from three tonight. So that's an encouraging sign for the Wolves and feel like they're.

Memes (9:12)

Yeah.

Big Cat (9:13)

Back on track. Like a one one. They did kind of what the Thunder did and we're going to get to that. But like you, you're, you're the higher seed. You have home court. You can't lose the first two. And they won this one in convincing fashion. They can go to Golden State and be like, all right, we can do this.

Hank (9:28)

The thing about Steph Curry and how big of a difference he makes is it's actually crazy, especially against a team like the Timberwolves where I think most. I think you could put Steph on any team in the NBA and they would be able to win at least one game in a seven game series. Like obviously it'd be five. That's, that's how big a difference it makes because he'll have one where he just goes nuclear. He doesn't miss anything. And then the whole spacing on defense is thrown off because you have to account for the outside shooting. And then they, they can get one, maybe even two games off. Most teams with Steph Curry, maybe not the really bad teams, maybe not the Wizards, maybe not the Sixers, maybe not the Sixers. Well, the Sixers, if Steph Curry played on the Sixers, they would rest him.

Big Cat (10:09)

Yeah, that's what. He probably would just get injured. All right, so pft, like I said, we're gonna, we're gonna have Hank on and everyone's be back together in studio in a minute. Was there a thought watching the Caps game when it got to 2? 1, we spent basically 30 minutes grilling Hank being down. Oh, two, both home games was thought you're like, oh, this is not going to age well when we, when we kick it back to studio and everyone's like, but pft, you're down. Oh, two at home was there that. Did that thought cross your head?

Hank (10:44)

That cr. That thought crossed my head all day today. That thought started crossing my head right when the Celtics lost last night. I'm not rooting against the Celtics per se, but I am rooting against Hank.

Big Cat (10:55)

Right.

Hank (10:55)

Because it's a lot of fun to watch Hank lose. I think most people would agree with me, by the way. Even if, you know, you don't feel one way or the other about the Celtics, I Would rather see him lose than see him win. But, yeah, that thought crossed my mind the second that the game ended yesterday. I didn't really even get to enjoy the loss that much because I was just thinking, well, this is what I'm staring down for my own personal game too. And there's a lot of similarities between the Caps and the Celtics in terms of, like, how their season's gone, the expectations for them. And I'm just, I. I wake up every day and I think my lucky stars that Hank is not smart enough to see that I'm opening myself up to all sorts of responses from him.

Big Cat (11:32)

He doesn't watch hockey. That's the best part. You like the whole time he could just reverse all these things on you.

Hank (11:39)

Every word that I say to him doesn't see it.

Big Cat (11:41)

He does not see it at all.

Hank (11:43)

Every word. Every single word that I say to Hank could very easily have been said right back to me regarding the Caps. But guess what? We don't have to have that conversation because we split at home. Tom Wilson played one of the best games of hockey that I've seen anybody play all year. And it was, it was in every aspect of the game. Even if you're a Tom Wilson hater, which I acknowledge there are, there are many Tom Wilson haters. And in fact, I think most fans of other teams probably hate Tom Wilson. But if Tom Wilson was on your team, you would love him. That's just the kind of player that he is. And I've had to deputize myself as like a Tom Wilson defender in the last several years, because you can slow down every screenshot and make a case that, oh, this guy is dirty, this guy does blah, blah, blah. He's also really skilled and he had a great assist tonight. He played awesome on defense. In addition to some of the big hits that he had, he. He took away goal from Orlov and then he blocked a shot like five seconds afterwards. And yeah, just an all around great game of hockey from Tom Wilson. He's. He's so much fun to watch, and I'm glad that the Caps were able to pull one out. We look, we looked pretty good tonight.

Big Cat (12:48)

There was more juice.

Hank (12:49)

We had juice in the building. You know what?

Big Cat (12:51)

There's more juice.

Hank (12:52)

It wasn't juice. Big Cat. I was wrong. It's not the juice that we needed.

Big Cat (12:55)

What was it?

Hank (12:56)

Agape. We needed agape in the building tonight. That's the. That's the Caps catchphrase right now. And it's spelled A G, A P, E. Okay, so It's a gape.

Big Cat (13:06)

Okay.

Hank (13:07)

And they handed out towels tonight for the game. For the fans that just said agape on them in the stands, they had, like, a laser projection before the game that said a gape. And then when you. When you say agape, all the fans of the stands make what looks like a hole with their hands, but it's really a heart.

Big Cat (13:27)

Okay.

Hank (13:27)

Just like a gape. Look at. I'm going to gape right now. It's the funniest thing ever. It is like a biblical word for, like, true love. Like, the highest form of love that you can have. But they still have the word agape plastered all over the arena, and they're making a giant hole with their hands when they show the. Their. Their support for the agape movement.

Big Cat (13:48)

Okay. As an unbiased third party, I don't. I don't know if you can win a cup with a gape.

Hank (13:53)

You don't think so?

Big Cat (13:53)

I don't think so. I just. That doesn't. That's like. If you have a catchphrase that people are saying incorrectly, that's tough. But you have to agree with that. I'm not. I'm not trying to. Like, it's just a fact. Like, if we saw this on. If you. We saw this from another team.

Memes (14:11)

Yeah.

Big Cat (14:11)

We would make fun of it.

Hank (14:13)

Yeah. But that's. It's like Tom Wilson. I would hate Tom Wilson. I love a game.

Big Cat (14:17)

I love a game. You gotta gape your heart out. You gotta gape till you can escape anymore. I'm just telling you from a removed set of eyes. Yeah, that's bad.

Hank (14:28)

Listen, I am the most.

Big Cat (14:29)

What's a gape?

Hank (14:30)

Let's gape together.

Big Cat (14:32)

I'm gonna gape out of my eyeballs.

Hank (14:33)

Part of my take is the number one most agape podcast in the United States. I'm the biggest.

Big Cat (14:39)

I'm the biggest dumbest I've ever heard.

Hank (14:41)

I'm the. I'm the most agape guy on the planet right now.

Memes (14:44)

When I'm watching.

Hank (14:45)

When I watch Tom Wilson, I get a gape.

Big Cat (14:47)

What is the genesis of it? Who came up with it?

Hank (14:49)

It's a biblical word. You got a problem with the Lord?

Memes (14:51)

No, no.

Big Cat (14:52)

I'm saying, like, who.

Hank (14:53)

Who.

Big Cat (14:53)

I know it's. You said it was a biblical word. I'm saying, who was like, hey, we're going to use this word? Because I. I'm saying this cautiously.

Hank (15:00)

Yep.

Big Cat (15:01)

Because all these things usually, like, they'll do the uno reverse card on you and be like, oh, it's actually One of the. One of the guys. Kids who has cancer has a gape to his dad right before he leaves for the rink every night. Like, I don't want that to happen, but where did this start?

Hank (15:16)

It started with our backup goalie. I think it was Charlie Lindgren.

Big Cat (15:20)

Okay, that helps.

Hank (15:22)

He's a big. He's a big, like, Christian literature guy.

Big Cat (15:26)

Got it.

Hank (15:26)

And so he read about the concept of agape love being the most pure form of love. So he brought it to my understanding. And I'm reading between the lines because there's nothing from the capitals that, like, they know that the word is a gape. You have to know that the word is gape. But they don't do any. Anything to, like, wink, wink at you about why this is a big thing for us. So reading between the lines, I think that it was Charlie Lindgren, who's a big Christian literature guy. He read about the concept of agape love, brought it to the locker room, and said, this is what I'm reading about. It's like the best form, the highest form of love that you can have for somebody that you truly care about. Like, we care about each other in this locker room. And then I think what probably happened was all the guys in the locker room were like, holy, a gape.

Big Cat (16:10)

Yeah.

Hank (16:11)

And then they started saying a gape. And then they told the team PR person, yeah, it's his form of love. And then they ran with it. That's okay going on here.

Big Cat (16:18)

So also.

Hank (16:20)

Also, you got to fight fire with fire. We're going up against Brandy Love, and she is a very gay person, too.

Big Cat (16:25)

That's true. She's a gape a lot. Yeah. So the. I still think that's a tough phrase to win a cup with. It helps a lot that it's a backup goalie the best. Like, when you start. When you think about championship teams, the best catchphrases and ideas usually come from offensive linemen, catchers, backup catchers, backup goalies. These are the things, you know, guy on the. You know, guy on the bench in a basketball, like, team, who's the 10th on the bench, who only comes in, you know, when you're already up like these. You can't have your stars creating these. So you get a little points back for that.

Hank (17:01)

Yeah, yeah. I'm. Listen, I'm going all in on it. I'm all in on a gape right.

Big Cat (17:05)

Now, by the way. So other hockey stuff, I don't. We gotta wait till we get Yandel on or Biz or Whitney because my question to them will be is we talk about it with baseball and basketball, like being in the zone, if, if that exists in hockey. Miko Rantanen is in the zone because what he's doing right now is insane. So he had a hat trick, a Natty Hattie on, on Wednesday night. In the last four games, he has had eight goals and six assists. Pretty ridiculous.

Hank (17:41)

He is crazy.

Big Cat (17:42)

Absolutely on fire. And the Stars took the first game of the series on the road. And it feels like the Stars are going to win the Cup. I don't know, maybe that's a stupid thing to say, but it feels like they're really fucking good.

Hank (17:54)

Would you say they're aligning right now? They feel like they might be aligning. And with those goals. Didn't he get a hat trick in one period in each of those games?

Big Cat (18:02)

It in the second period. It last night on Wednesday night. Excuse me. And it was in third period against the ABs game seven.

Hank (18:08)

Yeah. It's crazy. It's unbelievable what that guy said.

Big Cat (18:11)

That wasn't the stars, G. The ABs game wasn't a Natty Hattie because it was an open goal.

Hank (18:16)

Right, but those counts.

Big Cat (18:17)

Why did I say open goal? Empty net. Yeah, I just got caught up in Natty Hattie, but that's fine.

Hank (18:22)

I, I, I feel like the downplaying of empty netters is, is something that the casual fan would do because you're winning, if you're winning a playoff game and they got to take the goalie out, that means that you guys did something, right.

Big Cat (18:35)

Yeah, they count. And then I, I, the Leafs, it might be their year. That was, that was a nice. Another one where it's like, now it is early in the series and the Leafs usually leave later in the series, but if you had to save through two games, the way they are fighting and winning these games and something about biz with that mustache. Every time I see him with that mustache, I'm like something magical. That, that really is like business. Mustache dominates a gape. Yeah, like that's kind of like.

Hank (19:09)

Also, it might imply a gape, too.

Big Cat (19:11)

That's true.

Hank (19:14)

I mean, the love definition.

Big Cat (19:15)

Yeah. Did you see the video of him after they won on Wednesday night?

Hank (19:19)

I did.

Big Cat (19:20)

He's getting a massage.

Hank (19:21)

He's going nuts. And that's why I can't take anything that he says about the cap seriously, because I know he's to turn his back on me the second that they go up against the Leafs. And also, let's not forget that Paul Bisnett is a bet Welcher he made a bet about getting circumcised a couple years ago if the Leafs didn't win a playoff series, and he never did it.

Big Cat (19:41)

Yeah. And by the way, speaking of that, we should shout out Paul Pierce for actually walking to the studio today. He said before Game 2 of the Knicks Celtic series, if the Knicks win that game, he's going to walk from his house to his job. I think it was 20 miles. We're living in a world where guys aren't eating poop on camera and. And welching on all types, but aren't putting. No, I think the guy did put the burrito up his ass. I'm pretty sure he put the burrito up his ass. So that guy's off the hook.

Hank (20:11)

Yeah.

Big Cat (20:12)

But Paul Pierce deserves a shout out for that. And then came in in wheelchair. That was a. That was some good. Some good tv.

Hank (20:19)

Yeah, that was excellent.

Big Cat (20:20)

Oilers just scored again. Oilers are up 3:1. They're. And then Oilers are buzzing.

Hank (20:24)

He was walking. He was walking to work and then Kevin Garnett drove past him.

Big Cat (20:28)

Yeah.

Hank (20:28)

Found out where he was driving and. And just gave him a little flyby real quick. That was.

Big Cat (20:31)

Yeah.

Memes (20:32)

Credit.

Hank (20:32)

Credit to Paul Pierce. He is the truth.

Big Cat (20:34)

Because there's a lot of guys like, there's a lot of bets that are not getting paid up. Like. Like Max isn't. Hasn't done the Dingers. Only league.

Hank (20:41)

I'm owed $500 from a random guy online.

Big Cat (20:43)

Right. The other guy hasn't eaten the poop. Fsu.

Memes (20:47)

Yeah.

Big Cat (20:47)

This is.

Hank (20:48)

It is sad state of affairs in this country, but I'm glad to see that that Paul Pierce is. Is living up to it with the Leafs. Nylander might be close to being in the zone, too.

Memes (20:56)

Yeah.

Hank (20:56)

He's having a great playoffs. And shout out Mitch Marner. He got a baby goal. He. He had a. I think it was his first kid over the weekend on Saturday maybe and then had an awesome shot from pretty much on the boards that he just sniped in. The Leafs are fun. I find my. I find myself rooting for the Leafs.

Big Cat (21:14)

Me too.

Max (21:15)

I.

Big Cat (21:15)

And again, I. We know that like there's going to be a lot of our Canadian listeners and be like, you guys are fucking assholes. Don't root for the Leafs, but they are fun. I don't know what to say.

Hank (21:24)

I root for the Leafs, but I also. I think it's hilarious if they were to lose.

Big Cat (21:29)

If I had to have One thing I could say negative about the Leafs. It bothers me how veiny the Leaf Is.

Hank (21:36)

Oh, yeah.

Big Cat (21:37)

I think it's just a little too much veins.

Hank (21:40)

I like that it's anatomically correct and I like that it's.

Big Cat (21:43)

That's a lot of. That's a lot of veins.

Hank (21:45)

That's where the maple syrup is.

Big Cat (21:47)

Yeah. That's where the good stuff comes.

Hank (21:49)

Stick it in there like an iv.

Big Cat (21:50)

Yeah.

Hank (21:50)

And just pour it out. But, yeah, we're really in a no lose situation with these leafs because it's awesome if they lose, because it's very funny and they're a fun team. So if they win, we get to watch them play more.

Big Cat (22:01)

Yeah. And I think if the Caps can't go to the Stanley Cup Final, I think we all should be rooting for Oilers. Lease. Because it would be, I mean, incredible for spitting. Chiclets would be all time.

Hank (22:14)

Yeah. Also just as a fan, it would be fun to watch.

Big Cat (22:16)

Yeah. Be very fun. Speaking of Canada, by the way, we have a American Pope, so suck on that. First ever from Chicago. White Sox fan. They found Chicago Sun Times, found a picture of, like a father and son, and in the background is the Pope. What's his official name? Pope Leo the 14th.

Hank (22:38)

Leo the something. Yeah.

Big Cat (22:40)

Yeah. They found him in the background of the. Of the 2005 World Series. So, yeah, that. It's awesome. We got. And we. We got an American Pope. Suck on that, everyone.

Hank (22:50)

Yeah, it's very important. Finally, representation matters. Now American kids can grow up thinking they too, can be the Pope one day. And apparently this guy's neighbor in Chicago told him, growing up, like, one day, you will be the first American Pope. You can be the Pope.

Big Cat (23:05)

I did see someone quote to you and said that neighbor. LeBron James.

Hank (23:09)

Yeah, that's a fact.

Memes (23:11)

Definitely.

Big Cat (23:12)

Yeah.

Hank (23:13)

But it's very cool to be able to say to the world that has, you know, you've all had your turns with popes. Italy's had like a million popes before. And now it's time. Let's get American in there, kick some ass. Let's see what we do with it. And we might just never relinquish it. It might be just a thing where it's like, you know, we took over your. Come. Come in your trap. Take over your trap. Yeah, cousins. Also the Pope. But yeah, the picture of him at the World Series game for the White Sox was. It was very funny. And I saw another picture of her of him in a Chicago pizzeria like a year ago, just standing there. He's look. He looks like a pure Chicago guy.

Big Cat (23:49)

It's so funny to, like, because like, you know, the Pope has never been American. So now we have a Pope who we could be like, hey, he actually watches our sports. Like, he could. This Pope, who is the head of the Catholic Church, could, could actually have like, been thinking at one point in the last couple of months being like, ben Johnson is going to save Caleb Williams. Like, that's, that could be a thought in his head, the guy who's running the Catholic Church.

Hank (24:14)

I mean, credit to Ryan Polis, because Chicago's. They're going to be way better at Hail Mary's next year. Yeah, they got the hope. They got the Pope on their side.

Big Cat (24:22)

They can't wait. They can't win a Super bowl with the Pope on their side. I mean, and obviously there was the, the, the joke of the day was the. The Catholic Church got. Or Chicago got a Pope before the bears got a 4,000 yard passer. That was pretty funny.

Hank (24:38)

That's pretty mean. I thought the joke of the day was just stealing. It was.

Big Cat (24:42)

Ken Williams did tweet that as well.

Hank (24:44)

Yeah, yeah, stole my tweet. Stole my tweet. Caleb. But I pointed out, I pointed out to Caleb that if you're gonna make fun of Jaden, Daniel's mom, then you're also making fun of the Pope. No girls.

Big Cat (24:56)

That's true. That's true. That's true. The. It's, it's. It is crazy though, to be like, this guy, like, what does he watch football? I assume so. Yeah. He's American.

Hank (25:09)

He absolutely watches football a million percent.

Big Cat (25:11)

I need, I need just his, like, thoughts on, on just the most mundane things just to, to rile up the like, super religious people being like, yeah, I actually am thinking about this. Yeah. Like, I did actually say that if we, if I'm going to be the Pope, I'm going to need YouTube TV for, for kickoffs on Sunday.

Hank (25:29)

The, the players like, thank God after the game and the Pope's just like, you're welcome.

Big Cat (25:35)

I got you boys.

Hank (25:36)

I hooked that up. I hooked that up for you. Also, big misstep by the Cubs, though. Big miscalculation by the.

Big Cat (25:41)

Yeah, there were some, there's some weird reports.

Hank (25:44)

They claimed the Pope and, and then it took a real journalist to go out there, boots on the ground journalism, find his brother, be like, which, which baseball team does he actually root for? Because you can't lie on the Pope's name. You can't do that.

Big Cat (25:56)

And it was a tough. It was tough. The, the marquee showing it. It wasn't great. It wasn't great. I hope this doesn't submarine the entire Cub season, but it. The thought has crossed my mind.

Hank (26:06)

It might literally be blasphemy.

Big Cat (26:08)

Yeah. It's a false prophet, right?

Hank (26:11)

Yeah. Hey, Chicago, what do you say? The Pope is from the usa?

Big Cat (26:15)

There you go. That one was good.

Hank (26:17)

That's a banger.

Big Cat (26:19)

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Hank (27:44)

I think it's fair.

Big Cat (27:45)

Yeah. So I'm going to go with Donovan Mitchell + 380 in the DraftKings sportsbook to score the first basket and SGA + 425 in the DraftKings sportsbook score, first basket. What do you got?

Hank (27:58)

Okay, I'm gonna go Pascal Siakam plus 850 first basket. Pascal's wager and then Jokic plus 600 to score in the nightcap.

Big Cat (28:08)

Yeah, I like it. So yeah, they, they just. I think that's fair. They don't get. They don't get a pick.

Hank (28:15)

Yeah, I mean it's in the stipulations of the rules of. Of the. The contest is that you have to be present on part of my take to make the pick.

Big Cat (28:21)

We texted saying, are we ready to go? And wait memes. You said, don't type a gape on Twitter. Oh, no.

Hank (28:29)

Now you have to type a gape on Twitter.

Big Cat (28:30)

I'm doing it right now. Once you go three tweets down, it's just. Is this gonna fuck up my algorithm?

Max (28:39)

No.

Big Cat (28:39)

You just see a guy with massive hog and then. Oh, and what is he doing? He's gaping. He's gaping.

Hank (28:47)

Is it goatsy?

Memes (28:48)

Yep.

Big Cat (28:48)

I saw it. Okay.

Hank (28:50)

Yeah, go see yourself.

Big Cat (28:51)

That's fine.

Hank (28:52)

Yeah. Listen, it's not for the faint of heart. Not. Not everyone's built to get a gape like I am.

Big Cat (28:56)

Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to gape anymore on Twitter. That's fair. All right, so last thing we want to talk about. George Pickens gets traded to the Cowboys. And this is perfect because I. George Pickens with Jerry Jones is. Is like. If you had to pick where you want him to go, I think that would be the. The. The perfect marriage. Jerry Jones also saying that he was going to make a big move whether before the draft or after the draft. Promises made, promises delivered. Apparently, this is the big move. The only problem for Jerry Jones is, like, the. You know, don't. Don't. What is it? Don't start a war in Russia in the winter. What was the. Was Princess Bride?

Hank (29:42)

Never saw it.

Big Cat (29:43)

You never saw Princess Bride?

Hank (29:44)

I've dropped in and out of it a few times, so. And I understand the references.

Big Cat (29:49)

Okay, hold on. I'm gonna find it. Don't.

Hank (29:51)

I'm. I am your father. Prepare to die. Something like that.

Big Cat (29:54)

Yeah. I'm a Negro. Montoya. Yeah. Never get involved in a land war in Asia. What's the whole fucking quote? I don't know. Either way, what I was getting to. Yeah, there you go. You got them all.

Hank (30:09)

I think it's inconceivable, right?

Big Cat (30:10)

It's inconceivable.

Hank (30:11)

Yep.

Big Cat (30:12)

I think it's also, like, don't go against. Don't. Don't get into a poison off with, like, a Sicilian. I butchered this. My point, though, is never trade for wide receiver from Mike Tomlin, because Mike Tomlin is trading his wide receiver for a reason. And that means that Mike Tomlin is done with his wide receiver and he doesn't want him anymore. And you can go back. Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool, Antonio Brown, who I know won a Super bowl with the Bucks, but he got traded to the Raiders and that didn't last more than what, a month?

Hank (30:43)

And then he became a sex criminal, too.

Big Cat (30:44)

Yeah, yeah. Martavis Bryant, San Antonio Holmes. Okay. On the jets, but he was, obviously, that was. His best years were on the Steelers. Mike Tomlin, when he's like, I'm done with the, with the wide receiver, that's. It's over. It's damaged goods. You don't want to do that.

Hank (31:01)

Yeah, I mean, I don't think that it's, it's a little bit different from the other examples that you gave, because some of those other guys, not all of them, but, but some of them were towards the downside of their career. I don't think that anyone's saying that Pickens physically is getting towards the downside of his career. Like, when you look at Mike Wallace, he probably wasn't. He was probably like prime.

Big Cat (31:22)

He was. Yeah, he played well on the, on the Dolphins and the Ravens after.

Hank (31:25)

Yeah. But, but a lot of those others were kind of like on the downside. They, they had reached their peak. They were getting slower, not faster at that point. Pickens is a little bit different from that, but also, if Mike Tomlin doesn't think he can handle you anymore, that is a pretty good sign that Jerry Jones won't be able to handle you. Now what, what I think is a, a big, big warning sign for this entire operation here for the Cowboys is that Pickens is not signing an extension. So he's on a one year deal.

Big Cat (31:55)

Now.

Hank (31:55)

You might be saying to yourself, well, pft, doesn't that just mean that he's going to be highly motivated to be productive this year so he can cash in a free agency? Yes, that is a valid point. However, I think the bigger point is that if CD Lamb starts getting the lion's share of the targets and Pickens isn't involved in the game plan, he is going to blow his head off. He is going to go fucking insane, even by George Pickens standards, because he always wants the ball in general and he's a great player. He does, he does deserve the ball, I think, more than he's gotten it in the past. But even when he's getting the ball a decent amount, he still flips out. And he does crazy shit because he's frustrated when he's really not getting the ball and it's impacting his bottom line on what he's going to sign for in free agency. I feel like, I feel like it's a volatile mix.

Big Cat (32:45)

Yes. I Would agree with that. I would say that, yeah. George Pickens, look, he's got all the talent. It's just. Can he do everything else? I mean, remember the end? He had that zero. He had that. He had that game. What was it? Was it a playoff? No, it wasn't the playoff game. I think it was the Bengals game where he had one reception for, like, minus one yard. Yeah. In the. In the last week of the season. And I. I don't know. I. I just. Yeah, he. It. It feels like a combustible situation. And again, I'm going to go just trust Mike Tomlin that if he doesn't want you anymore as a wide receiver, that means something's up.

Hank (33:25)

Yeah, it's. It's probably not a Mike Tomlin problem. I think it's on the other foot, but I do love George Pickens is still, like, one of the more electric players in the NFL to watch.

Big Cat (33:36)

Yeah. I'm rooting for him to do well because it'll be fun. It's fun when he's good and he makes crazy catches and he goes crazy on. On the field. The only other question I had for upft, knowing how the Steelers operate, knowing how Mike Tomlin operates, they always need a crazy guy at wide receiver. Do you think there's a part of DK Metcalf who walked in the locker room, I don't know if they're in OTAs or whatever, or just showed up to training and he's like, looks around. He's like, wait, so it's me? I'm the crazy. I have to be the crazy guy now?

Hank (34:06)

I think a lot of times teams do that if they've got a young superstar and they got to trade away, like, the old veteran presence to really let the young superstar grow into their role. Jason Tatum, market smart was the heartbeat of that team. And Brad Stevens was like, we love you, Marcus, but we got to get rid of you and let these guys step it up. I think this is a challenge. I think Mike Tomlin is issuing a challenge to DK Metcalf to really get fucking nuts with it this year. Yeah, I think he can fulfill it.

Big Cat (34:33)

Yeah, I do, too. Do you think DK is like, wait, so those, like, personal fouls and all these, like, extracurricular penalties, I get to do George's now, too? Yeah.

Hank (34:44)

You're stepping into the. That's the Steelers wide receiver. One position.

Big Cat (34:48)

Yeah.

Memes (34:48)

Yeah.

Hank (34:49)

That's what that means. And I think he's. He's capable. They might be able to offset some of the crazy if they get Aaron Rodgers, that would bring like a different element of crazy.

Big Cat (34:57)

So I went on Pittsburgh radio with our guys this week and they. They basically were like Aaron Rodgers. So this was a theory from our guys, Bill Crawford and Randy Bauman. And I told him I was gonna steal this theory and essentially. So I'm actually crediting them essentially. They said that they are waiting the. Aaron Rodgers is a quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's what they said. It starts there. Aaron Rodgers is already the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but they're basically playing a game of chicken because Aaron Rodgers knew maybe wife. I don't know. He was wearing a wedding ring at Kentucky Derby is big into astrology. And if Aaron Rodgers signs with the Steelers before the schedule comes out, they're going to give the Steelers a ton of night games. And they don't want that to happen because Aaron Rodgers is a little older in astrology playing at night. So they're. He's just waiting for the schedule to come out. Then he will sign with the Steelers and make it official and then probably bring, you know, all the packers like Randall Cobb will probably be there. Jordy Nelson will probably be there. That's where the rest of the receivers are going to come from. So that's their theory. And I loved it and I told them it was a great theory and I was going to share it on pardon my take. And they also threw in the. The extra of like their astrologist. His astrologist wife slash girlfriend being like, you know, Mercury is in renegade real yins or.

Hank (36:22)

Oh, I like that.

Big Cat (36:23)

That's.

Hank (36:24)

That's a great saying. Shout out those guys. I love the guys. So it's an interesting thing. You're saying that she as an astrologist doesn't want him playing games at night. Isn't that when she.

Big Cat (36:37)

It's partially. It's partially I think his age and then partially like he, they. They. She wants him to be in the best spot. And I guess night like doesn't line up with. It's all crazy, crazy pseudoscience that you have to believe. Yeah. He's playing this game just so that he doesn't have to play at night.

Hank (36:55)

I think it's more just astronomy. It's like it's nighttime outside. Does that make you an astrologist to be. But I don't see the sun.

Big Cat (37:01)

Yeah.

Hank (37:01)

You could say I'm a bit of a star freak myself. We should look into seeing what Aaron Rodgers sign is and compare that to what George Pickens sign is and see if the two of them Are compatible.

Big Cat (37:15)

Compatible? Yeah. I mean, it is.

Hank (37:16)

Remember, that might be it.

Big Cat (37:18)

Remember our theory at the end of Tom Brady's career with the Bucks? We're like. Cause he had a string of late games where he didn't play well and it's like, yeah, he's 45 years old, dude. He wants to go to bed at 8:00 clock at night and they're kicking off at 8:15. That. Yeah, this could be a situation where he's like, listen, I know the Steelers are a national brand. They're going to get a certain amount of primetime games, but if there's Aaron Rodgers, they'll probably get a couple more because he does, he does put asses in the seat. So I think we're going to get Aaron Rodgers on the Steelers on May 15th.

Hank (37:51)

If they go into the season with no Aaron Rodgers into the schedule, I would, I feel like they would get maybe one like Mason Rudolph as the quarterback. What does that do for you?

Big Cat (38:01)

Yeah, yeah, it would, it would definitely be less so that might be their, their play.

Hank (38:08)

Okay, so George Pickens, when's his birthday? Let's look this up here. His birthday is March 4, 2001, which makes him locker room cancer. Okay. Pisces.

Big Cat (38:20)

No, I don't know. I guessed.

Hank (38:22)

Okay, is.

Big Cat (38:24)

Am I right? Yes.

Memes (38:26)

Wow.

Big Cat (38:26)

I. The only ones I know are Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces. Oh, Leo too, right?

Hank (38:31)

That's the Pope.

Big Cat (38:32)

Yeah, that is the Pope.

Memes (38:33)

Duh. Pope.

Big Cat (38:35)

All right, so he's a Pisces and Aaron Rodgers is a Sagittarius.

Hank (38:41)

Okay, do Sagittarius and Pisces get along?

Big Cat (38:45)

Pisces.

Hank (38:46)

Let's find out. This is the type of hard hitting analysis that, that only part of my take can give you.

Big Cat (38:51)

Pisces and Sagittarius, while different, can form a surprisingly strong connection in both friendship and romance. Maybe they were afraid they were going to start dating.

Hank (38:59)

That is a real fear.

Big Cat (39:00)

The contrasting elements, water and fire can create a dynamic and exciting partnership, but also require understanding, communication and navigate potential clashes.

Hank (39:10)

Sagittarius's need for freedom and independence may clash with Pisces desire for emotional security. That, that checks out to me.

Big Cat (39:18)

Yeah. And also Sagittarius is direct and blunt, which can be hurtful to Pisces who are sensitive and emotional. That checks out. Aaron Rodgers is very direct and blunt and. And George Pickens is very emotional.

Hank (39:30)

We should get an astrologist on, on part of my take and, and do our like full NFL team record predictions based off astrology.

Big Cat (39:37)

Yeah.

Memes (39:39)

Oh man.

Big Cat (39:40)

Clear and honest. Open communications.

Hank (39:43)

But it also, it gets deeper than that if you read the whole chart. So I'm assuming that Aaron Rodgers, girlfriend, wife, Jordan, whatever it is that individual has, you know, they get deep into it. They find out what time of day you were born.

Big Cat (39:56)

Yeah.

Hank (39:57)

That whole thing. And then they. They do the big sketch out the chart and they're like, okay, now I can tell you the most generic things possible that you will find to be seemingly accurate.

Big Cat (40:06)

Yeah. By the way, we haven't. We haven't had any updates on Jordan.

Hank (40:10)

That's true. I did hear one. I heard one update on Jordan. She as her job as. As the head PR marketing person for Belichick's book. She is giving every UNC graduate a copy of her book this year.

Big Cat (40:25)

Or.

Hank (40:26)

Excuse me, His. His book.

Big Cat (40:28)

Sell it.

Hank (40:30)

So, yeah, bumping those numbers up a little bit. Good job, Jordan.

Big Cat (40:33)

Jordan did it. Oh, Jules spoke out and said that he's. She's a distraction. You gotta keep that in the clubhouse, Jules.

Hank (40:41)

Yeah. Come on, Jules. Jul. Jules just mad that he's getting Wally pipped.

Big Cat (40:47)

Oh, man. Okay, let's. Let's get back to ourselves with. With Hank. Special guest maybe. And then we have a great interview with Gilbert Arenas. Almost an hour with Gilbert Arenas, who's awesome. And we'll finish with Fyre Fest and then we'll see everyone on Monday. Okay. Before we get to some more NBA playoff talk, Game time. NBA playoffs are here and the only place to buy hard to get playoff tickets is Game Time. The official ticketing partner, Barstool sports with killer last minute deals all in prices, views from your seat and their lowest price guarantee. Game Time takes the guesswork out of buying NBA playoff tickets. Price on the app actually go down the closer it gets a tip off. You could save up to 60% when buying last minute tickets. I was looking at tickets for the game three Celtics, Knicks in New York. It's going to be an expensive ticket ticket.

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Hank (43:39)

Yeah. You're not worried?

Max (43:42)

I did say on the show on Sunday that the Celtics could lose one. I wouldn't be worried. And I said, you know what? They could lose two and I wouldn't be worried.

Big Cat (43:49)

Yeah. And it's true.

Max (43:52)

I'm. It's not true. It's not true.

Big Cat (43:55)

It's not worried. Oh, no.

Max (43:58)

If they had just lost, you know, a couple close games, couple battles, and the Knicks, you know, the way they lost has me a little worried. That's what I. That's what I want to say.

Big Cat (44:08)

Okay. Why?

Max (44:09)

Yeah, specifically because they've missed every single three.

Big Cat (44:15)

Jason Tatum.

Hank (44:16)

That's not true. Absolutely. They're 25 for 100 from.

Big Cat (44:19)

And this game, by the way, before you tell us how worried you are, all credit to the Knicks, specifically their defense. They stopped. I think it was 1 for 14. The Celtics finished on. And the one was Jason Tatum going for that dunk. They missed 13 straight shots in that. 13 straight shots. It was so. It was 84, 68. And then the Knicks stopped them 13 straight times. And it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. That was. That was bad. And the Knicks. All credit to the Knicks. They are as gritty as gritty gets. They have won all five of their road games these playoffs, and they've won them by two points, one point, three points, three points, one point. So every single game they've won on the road and they've won all of them in these playoffs is three points or less. That's just a tough fucking team.

Hank (45:08)

It is a tough team. They don't die. And The Celtics going 15 for 60 in game one, that's 25 from three. And then in game two, they went 10 for 40, also 25%. This can't. It's not gonna last.

Big Cat (45:23)

That's the thing. It's. Right.

Max (45:25)

You have a historically bad shooting night. Everyone's asked me after game one, what's wrong with Celtics. They're not going to have that bad of a shooting night again. If they shoot 30, they win that game easily. The same thing goes for last night. Like, if they shoot 30%, they win that game easily. If they hit one field goal or maybe two field goals in the last eight minutes, they probably win that game. They had a lot of open looks. There's nothing. The game plan is. The problem that worries me a little bit is that there's nothing to fix besides making shots like the game plan is the game plan and it's working correctly. They're just. They can't make shots down the stretch.

Big Cat (45:58)

What about Jason Tatum? He is in the fourth quarter this series. He has six points, one for 11 field goals, zero for nine. Three pointers.

Max (46:07)

Yeah, he's got a bang. Banged up wrist. He's battling through it. You know, he didn't make that. That layup when he needed. When we needed it most. Didn't love the look at the end.

Big Cat (46:18)

Of the game, the one that we were about to have a great conversation with Gilbert Arenas. There was a sequence where the Knicks were storming back. It was an 86, 81 game. Yeah. Three minutes left. Jayson Tatum has a wide open three from the corner. But. But you'd normally be like, hey, take this three. Al Horford. Jalen Brunson was on Al Horford, and he had fallen down, and Al Horford was standing under the hoop wide open. A simple pass and a dunk stops the bleeding a little bit. Instead, Jason Tatum takes the three, misses the three. Or just Tatum just goes to the hoop there. He probably scores. That was bad.

Max (46:54)

That was bad. It was bad. It was. It was Shocking. It was a shocking, shocking turn of events.

Big Cat (47:02)

Sure it was, because you're up 20 again.

Max (47:04)

Surely this can't happen again. Surely we're going to hit one shot. And we got looks. We got open looks. That one was. Was kind of a dagger when you just see him fall over and no one was even. It was just him and Al in the basket.

Big Cat (47:17)

Yeah.

Hank (47:17)

Well, you did.

Max (47:18)

Came away with zero.

Hank (47:18)

You did make a field goal down the stretch. That's when Jason Tatum drove the length of the floor. And we're. Everybody was like, wow, that was really easy.

Big Cat (47:25)

Well, yeah, that was.

Hank (47:26)

I was.

Max (47:27)

I was. I was on Instagram Live, and I was like, who's taking this shot? No one wants to shoot. Best play of all time. Just run down and dunk it. Like, that's easy. Don't have to worry about shooting. But then, yeah, on the next possession, Tatum didn't want to shoot. He tried to pass it. Mikhail Bridges stopped it. It was. It was. Again, this has been a. This iteration of the Celtics, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown era. This has been somewhat of a common theme where they get a little tight down the stretch and. And it doesn't look good. And right now, they're in one of those modes.

Big Cat (48:01)

Yeah. And it feels like the Knicks gained.

Max (48:03)

But there's no way it happens again.

Big Cat (48:05)

It feels like, I know you said before, you're not scared of anyone on the Knicks. And Brunson's good. Jalen Brunson when they get into clutch time. And also, by the way, Mikhail Bridges, incredible fourth quarter. He scored 14 points. He was everywhere on defense. They're just a gritty team. Yeah, they're a great team. Now. Now, while watching this game, Hank, how many times do you think about Jerry o' Connell and what he was maybe. Was he, like, you know, bing bonging to himself? Was it. Did it pop in your head that, like, Jerry's having the best time and maybe the 86 Mets thing is correct? And could you hear the Bing bong ringing in your ears?

Max (48:42)

I was happy that I was, like, on my couch. I was like, it's one of those perspective things.

Big Cat (48:48)

Yeah.

Max (48:48)

Where it's like, this is traumatic, but at least I'm not getting this.

Big Cat (48:53)

All right.

Hank (48:55)

Is that soundboard, mem?

Big Cat (49:03)

I'm wearing the brokeback hat.

Memes (49:05)

It's my lucky Brokeback hat.

Big Cat (49:08)

Gave it to me. I can't quit you.

Hank (49:11)

I can't quit you.

Big Cat (49:14)

Hey, everyone, I'd like to introduce to everyone our new puppy, Jalen.

Hank (49:21)

That's an adorable name.

Big Cat (49:23)

Brunson, not Brown. Hanky. I'm inside you. I can't quit you. Well, Hank, what do you. I mean, Jerry's here. Jerry's here. Hey, I heard your ear popped yesterday.

Max (49:43)

It's two days ago.

Big Cat (49:44)

Yeah, it wasn't your fault. Jerry had nothing to do with it. I told you, you had a little cold. A little head cold. What are you gonna say to J. Happy?

Max (49:55)

Jerry's enjoying it. It's. It's a fun little ride. He's getting his hopes up, and. And we're going to go into New York and shut him up. That's fine. They deserve to gloat.

Big Cat (50:02)

They.

Max (50:02)

They won two games that they shouldn't have won, and. And I got nothing to say. Congratulations.

Memes (50:08)

Hanky.

Big Cat (50:09)

I want you to say there's something special about this Knicks team.

Max (50:13)

No, I will not.

Big Cat (50:14)

I want to hear you say it. No, I want to hear you say there's some magic there.

Max (50:18)

Jaylen Brunson is a good player, and you guys are getting very lucky.

Big Cat (50:23)

You know what's funny? Wednesday, when I was on the podcast, you know what I was thinking of? The Giants beating the Patriots. You're a Jets fan? No, I'm just. We're inside you. Jalen only knows the Knicks reading the Celtics. Jerry, where are you? Where are you right now?

Memes (50:52)

Oh, my.

Big Cat (50:53)

A member of my car was on the show on Wednesday. It broke down.

Memes (50:56)

Yeah.

Big Cat (50:58)

Knows what I'm talking about.

Hank (50:59)

I hear you. I hear you. I'm waiting, Jerry. Hank was saying earlier this week that he would not be worried if the Celtics went down to nothing. Now that they are down to nothing, he just. He confided in us that he was, in fact, a little bit worried. I don't know if you have any words of encouragement or anything like that, but the. The board needs to be picked up a little bit.

Big Cat (51:18)

No, I don't have words of encouragement as a Knicks fan being up to O. I'm worried. The Celtics are awesome, and for some reason, they're not hitting shots. And for some reason, at the end of the game, they're not getting shots. That's got to be so frustrating. Two games in a row. Nightmare on Hanky Street Part 2. Yeah, so. So do you.

Max (51:51)

I mean, game three of must win or can't lose Jerry.

Big Cat (51:57)

At the Garden. It's gonna be electric. I wish I could afford tickets there. If I had just gambled more at DraftKings sportsbook, maybe I could have bought a couple of those. But I'll be watching from a bar in Los Angeles. I hate to give up my location, but Here we go 33 taps Los Angeles. It's a Knicks bar. It's incredible. I love it. Wait, so. So do you. Are you scared of the Celtics now? Are, like, at all, Jerry? Like, they're. I mean, they're. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something about the New York mentality, okay? We're always scared of opponents. We come out fighting, we're in a corner, we're hungry. We're gonna fight you up until the last thought.

Hank (52:51)

Yeah.

Memes (52:51)

Look at you, Hank.

Big Cat (52:52)

You cover in return. You can't even look at. It's the big father. Jalen. It's a cute puppy.

Hank (52:58)

Yeah. Jaylen's. How old is Jalen?

Big Cat (53:02)

Jalen's only two months old. Oh, wow. Wow.

Max (53:05)

I know.

Big Cat (53:06)

My wife. My wife is always on next door, and it's usually like, there's an unhoused person in the world. There's meth dealing going on here, but we saw some puppies on next door. Say hi to Jalen, Hank. It's a cute puppy.

Hank (53:23)

Hank hates dogs.

Big Cat (53:24)

Hank, come on.

Hank (53:26)

The question could go back to you, though. Is this a must win or is it a can't lose for the Celtics?

Max (53:31)

Can't lose.

Big Cat (53:32)

Can't lose.

Hank (53:33)

So you're not must winning it. Going down three nothing. That to me, you can't go down three nothing.

Max (53:38)

Which is why we can't lose it.

Hank (53:40)

It's a must win now.

Max (53:41)

If we lose, series is over.

Big Cat (53:45)

Really?

Max (53:46)

Actually, no. I think we could still come back from three.

Memes (53:48)

Zero.

Big Cat (53:48)

Okay. Okay. All right. So, Jerry, so you're going to be at the bar.

Hank (53:51)

I don't think Boston's ever done that against New York.

Big Cat (53:53)

Yeah, we're going to have. We're going to have at least six games here, right? At bare minimum.

Max (53:58)

Yep.

Big Cat (53:59)

You might have to come in and stream a game with us. Yeah, I would love it. Listen, I'm not working. I'm just doing, like, doors. My wife is doing that X Men movie, so I got time. Yeah.

Memes (54:11)

Isn't a dog guy.

Hank (54:12)

Are you a.

Big Cat (54:13)

Are you a cat guy? Carl Anthony Towns. Jerry, can I ask a question? Not about basketball, because there was news yesterday that. That. I don't know why it was reported, but your wife is. Is not going to be nude in the new movie. What? Where was that report?

Memes (54:34)

What?

Big Cat (54:37)

I got tagged in a bunch of tweets that just said Rebecca Romain will not appear nude in Avengers. I mean, like, you talking, like, full. I don't know. I. I don't know. I just. I got it. I got tagged out of respect. I didn't I? My brain went to, quote, tweeting, being like, fuck you, Jerry. You did this. But I didn't. And I. Out of respect, I just ignored it. I'm gonna be honest with you. There's so much secrecy around those Marvel movies. My wife didn't even tell me that my wife was gonna be in that movie. I found out through you guys congratulating me. I was like, are you in the next X Men movie? My wife was like, yeah, I didn't want to tell you. It's, like, privileged info.

Hank (55:20)

Let me just double check this news here. Rebecca Romaine, nude. Yeah, I got an auto complete on that. I don't see anything in. In the actual. Sorry, Jerry. I. I don't see anything in the actual news about it.

Big Cat (55:33)

All right.

Hank (55:33)

Yeah, I guess. Okay. Maybe ask her about it, though. Tell her we say hi.

Big Cat (55:38)

Yeah, tell her we say hi. And tell her. I mean, listen, you're. You're living your life right now. You're. You're bing bong and Hank, to death. He's. Oh, man, he is. I was walking the streets yesterday, and everyone was like, is that the brokeback hat? Is that Hanky's brokeback hat? We're all touching it. You should have never given this to me, Hanky. Ever. Bing bong. Bing bong.

Memes (56:03)

I can't quit you.

Big Cat (56:04)

Yeah. Can't quit you.

Memes (56:06)

Yeah.

Big Cat (56:06)

Hank. Hank.

Hank (56:08)

Hank's down bad.

Max (56:08)

Oh, I got it. Brokeback Mountain.

Hank (56:11)

Oh, yeah.

Big Cat (56:12)

Yeah. You finally get it. You finally get it. You finally getting this. You're finally getting it, dude. You're finally getting it. Come on, Hank. Fight back.

Max (56:22)

I got. No, I got. I can't wait to shut up Jerry and his stupid pint. 33 Bar, Chalamet Stiller, Tracy Morgan, Acton Bronson. The garden's gonna be rocking.

Hank (56:34)

Oh, Acton Bronson.

Max (56:36)

Action Bronson.

Big Cat (56:37)

By the way, you want to know what the funniest is? And we're gonna pick the worst week.

Memes (56:42)

To go on vacation.

Big Cat (56:43)

He keeps trying to insert himself on X, and I'm, like, the biggest force.

Max (56:46)

Even you can admit that. We can agree on that.

Big Cat (56:48)

Yeah. There. I've never seen someone try harder and.

Max (56:51)

Fall flatter on their face.

Big Cat (56:52)

Yeah.

Hank (56:53)

Hey, Jerry, can you give Hank a little for old time's sake? Want to see a dead body?

Max (56:58)

We're not dead, though. That's the thing.

Big Cat (57:01)

What's going on? What?

Hank (57:04)

It's adorable.

Big Cat (57:06)

Somebody. Somebody gonna throw up.

Memes (57:08)

Yeah, he's singing Bing bong.

Hank (57:09)

Say bing bong.

Big Cat (57:11)

Bing bong.

Max (57:13)

There's a cute dog.

Hank (57:14)

It's adorable.

Big Cat (57:15)

It's a very cute dog. Such a cute dog. Oh, Yankee. If the Knicks win game three, Saturday, 12:30 Pacific Time, 3:30 Eastern Time, you.

Memes (57:27)

Want to go see a dead body? All right.

Max (57:34)

I also gotta say, because I was. I was just in the. In the, in the lab going through the PMTV US Golfing with Jerry, and it's. Jerry was a delight in it, so it's. It's tough to really. Oh, he's tough to hate, but I do hate him.

Big Cat (57:47)

Yeah. He's the absolute best.

Max (57:54)

Just admit. Just admit you were yelling in my ear. Like, just, Just, Just. Just admit you're yelling in my ear.

Memes (57:59)

I gotta go, guys.

Big Cat (58:01)

Oh, all right.

Hank (58:02)

Good luck with the car.

Big Cat (58:03)

Thank you so much, Jerry. You're the best, Hank. Yeah, Jerry. Just ringing in your head.

Max (58:11)

Yeah. Listen, like, I, I.

Hank (58:15)

Hank's trying to do the math on how he can figure out how to come up on top of this situation. I don't think that's. You're down 2. 0. It sucks.

Max (58:23)

And I don't really care. People hate me, and everyone loves Jerry. I can't stand him when he does that. But it is what it is. There's really.

Hank (58:32)

He.

Max (58:32)

He deserves to gloat. I do think the Celtics are going to win the series easily.

Hank (58:38)

I. Easily. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Big Cat (58:41)

That's already out.

Hank (58:42)

What does easily mean you can't beat?

Max (58:45)

When you're looking back on the history books, four, two is pretty.

Big Cat (58:49)

That's easily.

Hank (58:51)

Is that a whopping?

Memes (58:53)

I.

Max (58:53)

We've put ourselves in a spot where, again, the one thing that's. That is good to know is that we're the better team. And Missoula loves these spots. Like, he trains this team all season long to be in these spots where your back's up against the wall. There's no room for error. Unfortunately, there is no room for error. They have to win. They have to win game three.

Hank (59:18)

It sounds like a must win to me.

Big Cat (59:19)

Yeah. Also like being in game three with a must win means that it's not easy.

Memes (59:26)

Yeah.

Big Cat (59:27)

It can't be an easy.

Hank (59:27)

Well, it's not a must when Hank already said you can't do both.

Big Cat (59:31)

It's.

Max (59:31)

Can't lose.

Big Cat (59:32)

Will you. What's the lead that you'll feel good about at this point? None.

Memes (59:36)

40.

Max (59:37)

10 with a minute.

Big Cat (59:38)

10 with a minute.

Memes (59:39)

Yeah.

Hank (59:39)

But be careful.

Big Cat (59:41)

Yeah. Until next series. If it's the Pacers, then you can't.

Max (59:45)

It feels a lot also.

Big Cat (59:48)

Oh, man. I didn't realize Jason Tatum only had 13 points. Yeah.

Max (59:51)

Like the 20, 20, 20, 23 Heat series, too, where those early games were games that the Celtics were winning, felt like they should have won. And then, boom, it's 3 0, and we still almost won that series, too. But you just can't.

Memes (60:05)

We.

Max (60:05)

We just gotta win on Saturday.

Hank (60:07)

You do. You do make a good point, though, that this is Missoula's. Like, this is where he loves to be. He's like a pig in right now, where it's like, okay, we. Now he really has to tap into that inner psycho that he's got because he loves to do things. Like when we talk to him about, like, his house. He's got a nice house. He was like, I kind of wanted to destroy part of it with a sledgehammer so that I could feel, like, grittier and more inspired. This does feel like, obviously he'd rather be up to nothing than down to nothing, but we're going to see some wild boy shit out of Missoula.

Big Cat (60:36)

Yeah. Also shout out Mitchell Robinson, even though they're. That one free throw was one of the worst free throws of all time.

Hank (60:42)

It was so funny.

Big Cat (60:43)

His rebounding in defense was enormous.

Max (60:45)

I think he was the only guy that was plus on their team.

Big Cat (60:47)

Yeah, he was. There was a campaign in Miles McBride where. Deuce McBride. But he was plus 19. Yeah. And it wasn't. Does it make you a little even more nervous knowing that that wasn't even a crazy Jalen Brunson game? It was like Josh Hart and Mikhail bridges in the fourth quarter. He didn't hit a shot until the fourth quarter, but he hit 14, had 14 points in the fourth quarter. Like, they. Like you can say. The Celtics didn't make their threes again. The Knicks just won a game in Boston with Jalen BRUNSON Only scoring 17 points.

Max (61:16)

Yeah, but he hit. He hit. He had the clutch points. That's why he was clutch player of the year. He had. He kind of, you know, scored when they needed them to score in the fourth quarter, and then their role players stepped up.

Big Cat (61:25)

And Cat was good, too.

Max (61:27)

He. He hit, like, three very clutch shots.

Big Cat (61:31)

Yeah, Cat was really good. Cat was a beast on the boards. I think if you rank these. All right, let's finish with this. Rank the worrisome that you have with these three guys. Kristaps. I'll give you all three Kristaps. Jalen Brown, because it's Kristaps. Whatever the.

Max (61:49)

Whatever disease he has, he's number one.

Big Cat (61:51)

Jalen Brown's knee and Jason Tatum just not having aura and wrist.

Max (61:56)

Jason Tatum's wrist rest. I would go Chris tops 1. Pretty. Pretty significant gap. Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown.

Big Cat (62:04)

Okay, so Jason, Jim Brown last night.

Max (62:06)

Yeah.

Hank (62:07)

What about Derek White?

Max (62:09)

Derek White, I have the most confidence. And they just have to hit shots. Like that's, that's the thing. Like there's nothing. We just have to hit shots. We're getting open shots. Like we don't even have to get better shots and hit them. We just have to.

Big Cat (62:20)

What about going to the rim?

Max (62:22)

They did go to the Remora last night.

Big Cat (62:24)

They did. They took less threes. That Jason Tatum shot, though, was so crazy.

Max (62:29)

Yeah. And they just.

Big Cat (62:31)

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

Max (62:32)

I. I feel good.

Hank (62:34)

You feel good? Hey, question.

Max (62:37)

Yes.

Hank (62:38)

So you said earlier in this interview that it's not interviewing. Well, no, we're interviewing you.

Big Cat (62:42)

Yeah, we're asking you.

Hank (62:45)

It's a post interview interview. Because Jerry o' Connell, we just interviewed him and now we're interviewing you. Getting your reaction to it. Earlier in this interview, you stated that the Celtics were the better team, losing two games in a row. In fact, the only two games in the series. How do you justify that statement? How do you square that?

Max (63:02)

Well, pft. So the NBA does this thing called a regular season where there's a much bigger sample size of games, and that's.

Hank (63:11)

More important than the postseason.

Max (63:12)

No, but to, to your. To answer your question of. Well, how did I come to the conclusion the Celtics are the better team? They have led more in this series. They had more regular season wins, so therefore they are the better team. Just because they lost a couple of games does not change that. And I believe that Vegas, Las Vegas and DraftKings sportsbook, all the people that decide who is favored in these games in these series agree with me.

Big Cat (63:36)

Well, no, because I think the Knicks are favored to win this series.

Max (63:38)

Now, I don't think so.

Hank (63:40)

They were early this morning. But I think that flipped back. I think. I think now it's the Celtics minus 125 or 115.

Big Cat (63:46)

At one point, the Knicks were minus 125.

Max (63:49)

Celtics are minus 120. On DraftKings, Knicks are plus 100.

Big Cat (63:51)

Okay, so it flipped.

Max (63:53)

Point me.

Big Cat (63:53)

Well, that's also. The people flipped it. They released it as Knicks.

Max (63:57)

So the people agree with me.

Big Cat (63:58)

Yeah, the people, but that's not Vegas agreement. Vegas just reacts to what the people.

Max (64:01)

I'm looking at it, I know, but.

Big Cat (64:03)

They release it as Knicks -125.

Hank (64:05)

Like I've said for the last like three, four months, this Knicks team is built to beat the Celtics.

Max (64:11)

I'M so happy you bailed.

Hank (64:12)

I know. I bailed on it so early.

Big Cat (64:16)

After.

Hank (64:16)

I think it was one game after I put the future. I'm like. I'm like this. There's no chance the Knicks beat the Celtics.

Big Cat (64:22)

Oh, man. You're fine, Hank. Yeah, you're fine. Where are you going to be watching game? Game three.

Max (64:29)

I'll be in situate, so probably my parents basement.

Big Cat (64:32)

Okay.

Max (64:32)

Maybe TK's okay.

Big Cat (64:34)

Okay. So you're fine.

Max (64:38)

Yeah, we're okay.

Hank (64:41)

Wait, are you fine? Are you worried? Are you not worried? You're all over the place.

Big Cat (64:44)

Yeah. You're giving us the body language and your face. Pressure is a privilege preference.

Max (64:49)

Pressure is a privilege.

Big Cat (64:52)

And.

Max (64:53)

And Brooks always, as Brooks said, is like, when you're worried, that just means, you know, there's pressure. And pressure is a good thing. So it's. I'm. I'm happy to feel the pressure, but I do feel it. I do feel it.

Big Cat (65:02)

It is. Jerry also did bring up a good point. Like, what a week for Max to miss. Because if the Celtics come back and win this series, he just didn't get to have any of the fun that, you know, he wants to. And he's just trying to. He's trying to do it from afar, and it's just like, oh, man. Yeah.

Hank (65:16)

This is what he lives to do is like the one time that he can really take a big shit right on Hank's head, and he just can't do it. And he can't. Too far away to.

Big Cat (65:24)

Yeah. The time too far.

Hank (65:26)

The. On Hank doesn't work when you're recording a video and posting it live and the time is noticeably different.

Big Cat (65:33)

Yeah.

Hank (65:33)

Like, it's the middle of the day and you're already moved on to the nighttime.

Big Cat (65:37)

Yeah. Okay. Nuggets. Thunder. The Thunder. Now. They did what I think everyone expected the Cavs to do in Game 2. And what the Celtics do in Game 2, scheduled win, they absolutely demolished. I. So I actually, like, I've been very low on sleep because we were traveling Monday and, you know, kidney. Kidney. So whatever. So I. In the. At halftime, I was like, you know what? I think I'm okay. I think I'm gonna go to sleep. And then I woke up at, like, one in the morning in, like, a nervous sweat, being like, what if the. What if the Nuggets had come back and won this game?

Hank (66:09)

Yeah, they never really got that close.

Big Cat (66:11)

They never. I was happy with my decision.

Hank (66:13)

And it was. It was the 87 in the first half from the Thunder. Yeah, that's I think an NBA playoff record.

Big Cat (66:18)

It was crazy. They hit every single shot. They shot 44% from 3, 56% from the field. Everyone scored. I mean, if you look at it, I think they played all 15 guys. Like they were just emptying the bench, meaning, like big minutes. And the Thunder. Yeah, this was their schedule. Like, they, they won one in okc. Now you got to regroup, go back. I still think it's going to be a very good series. But this was the Thunder we all expected as the 1 seed, as a 68 team win. They, they. They flex their muscles and they're like, yeah, we actually are still these guys.

Hank (66:50)

Did you see what TNT did on the broadcast last night?

Big Cat (66:52)

No.

Hank (66:53)

So this was in the second half, before the game was over. They changed the graphic to, to 1:1. Like the graphic that's on the screen that says what the score of the series is overall. Not like, you know, cutting away to a graphic and being like, okay, series tied, 1 1. Going back to the. On screen before the game, I think there were about two or three minutes left in the game, which is crazy to do.

Big Cat (67:15)

Right.

Hank (67:15)

But at this point, like, nobody can even argue with that.

Memes (67:17)

Right.

Hank (67:17)

If they had done that up, you know, 10 points, even 20 points with three minutes left, you're like, what the. But the game was like, I think a 40 point lead at that point. They're like, okay, we've. We've literally never done this, but if there's a time to do it, it's now.

Big Cat (67:29)

Yeah.

Hank (67:30)

Because. Put it up there.

Big Cat (67:30)

I mean, I had it in the back of my head where I was like, I'm gonna go to sleep. But this is. Knowing how these playoffs have gone, this could be a huge mistake.

Hank (67:37)

Yeah.

Big Cat (67:38)

But, yeah, it was. It was never safe. I was safe. I. I needed to sleep too. So it felt good. But I did. It was. My content brain woke me up out of a dead sleep at 1am and I was like. Because my. I think my last tweet was literally at halftime being like, scheduled loss for the Nuggets. This is what I expected out of the other one seeds and two seeds.

Hank (67:55)

So if you're the Nugget, I. I would be not feeling. I'd be feeling as bad about a 11 series tie as possible after this game.

Big Cat (68:02)

Yeah.

Hank (68:03)

The way that it went.

Big Cat (68:04)

Yeah. Because the Thunder. The Thunder, Game one. As much as it was an insane comeback for the Nuggets, it really, I felt like more of a choke for the Thunder. And the way they managed the timeouts and the fouls and all that stuff and missing free throws, so. Yeah, I'd agree. I think the Nuggets got to be a little scared going, going back.

Hank (68:23)

I think the Thunder is up in the series one to one.

Big Cat (68:25)

Yes, I'd agree. Hank, you agree? You're still just trying.

Max (68:29)

Yeah, sure.

Hank (68:30)

Yeah.

Big Cat (68:30)

Hank still has no confidence.

Hank (68:31)

Hank, do something that brings you joy today.

Big Cat (68:33)

Day.

Hank (68:34)

Like, go play some golf.

Big Cat (68:37)

Can't.

Hank (68:38)

Why not?

Max (68:38)

Traveling.

Big Cat (68:39)

Were you, were you shocked by, by Jerry being back on?

Max (68:43)

No. I knew it was gonna.

Big Cat (68:44)

But you said at the time, you're like, oh, we're doing this again.

Max (68:46)

Yeah.

Big Cat (68:47)

I mean, I mean, he's 86, Mets or up to nothing.

Hank (68:50)

He's been, he's been waiting for this moment for over a year. Or he was bing bonging you when it, it wasn't even the Knicks.

Max (68:56)

I know. I, I what?

Big Cat (69:03)

Well said.

Hank (69:04)

What is it?

Big Cat (69:04)

Hey.

Max (69:07)

I hate, I hate it, but whatever. It is what it is. I, I, you don't want to be the guy that's just hating on the thing that everyone else loves, but I, I hate it.

Big Cat (69:15)

You hate. You hate Jerry. Is what you're trying to say is you hate Jerry.

Max (69:19)

Hearing Jerry o' Connell when we're, when we were hanging out at the Beck Owl off camera, great. When we were golfing, great.

Big Cat (69:25)

His man in the arena. That's not a shtick. He's bing bonging.

Max (69:29)

I hate it.

Big Cat (69:30)

He's ping ponging.

Hank (69:32)

Just deal with it. Hank, you're up. Listen, if you were up to nothing, then you wouldn't think anything.

Max (69:36)

I would not be doing that. I would not be gloating in his face, screaming in his ear.

Hank (69:38)

That is true. Yeah, but you're also not Mr. Bing Bong.

Big Cat (69:41)

Right? And you also.

Max (69:42)

He's not Mr. Bing Bong.

Big Cat (69:44)

We know who, yeah, the real Bing Bong guy was like, I want to meet. Shout out him. He wants to meet Jerry o' Connell. I was like, I'll try to get that set up. He said that? Yeah, he DM me today. He was just like, I love this. I love Jerry and his Bing Bong.

Max (69:55)

Probably, that's probably like a long con to serve him.

Hank (69:58)

There was a.

Big Cat (69:59)

No, he's, he just said, he, he hit me up. He just said, bro, I got to meet this guy from Barstool who loves Bing Bong guy. Cracks me up there from Bing Bong guy himself.

Hank (70:08)

And he's way more of Mr. Bing Bong than you are. No, Jerry is.

Max (70:12)

I'm not a bit stealer.

Hank (70:13)

So, yeah, let's go, let's Go, Hank.

Big Cat (70:16)

Yeah.

Hank (70:17)

That's a fight. I want you to have this fight.

Memes (70:21)

Oh, boy.

Hank (70:22)

The Celtics are a scrappy little team.

Big Cat (70:24)

Kevin Harlan literally said that.

Memes (70:26)

Yeah.

Big Cat (70:26)

At the end of the game.

Hank (70:27)

Celtics are so scrappy.

Max (70:28)

They are scrappy.

Hank (70:29)

Like, good for them. They competed hard. They almost won both those games.

Max (70:32)

We're gonna, listen, we're gonna be fine by the time we're talking on Tuesday.

Hank (70:39)

In your eye.

Big Cat (70:39)

Are we not doing a show on Sunday night?

Max (70:41)

Well, that'll just be. We, that'll be, we'll be halfway there.

Big Cat (70:44)

Okay.

Hank (70:44)

I saw a little, a little glint of joy in your eye because Jerry's been bringing up all the old New York stuff. When you thought about the Red Sox. Yankees.

Max (70:53)

Yeah.

Hank (70:55)

Now, now you've, we're not going to.

Max (70:56)

Get to that point. But you did that. That. I did file that away.

Hank (70:59)

You, you like, perked up.

Big Cat (71:00)

I would be.

Hank (71:01)

You almost Hope they go down.03 so they can come back.

Big Cat (71:04)

I feel like this is a seven game series.

Max (71:08)

Yeah, probably.

Big Cat (71:09)

I mean, I do think the Celtics will make shots eventually. I just.

Max (71:11)

Yeah, I, I, Maybe they won't, though.

Memes (71:13)

Pft.

Big Cat (71:14)

What if they don't?

Hank (71:15)

That would be crazy.

Big Cat (71:15)

What if they just don't? What if they literally just don't make shots? They will, but what if they don't?

Max (71:22)

They will.

Hank (71:22)

Okay, so who's the most important player on Saturday?

Max (71:27)

Jason Tatum.

Hank (71:28)

Yeah.

Big Cat (71:30)

Yeah.

Max (71:30)

By the way, the Porzingis thing is also crazy.

Big Cat (71:34)

Yes.

Hank (71:34)

So, yeah, Walks me through what's going on.

Max (71:36)

He sat out like a handful of games in March with an illness undisclosed. And then he sat out a couple games last playoffs and was out for most of game one with the same illness, but it's not disclosed. And it's like there's such a big gap between the two. How, like, what could it be that it's still lingering and why won't they disclose it? It's very strange and worrisome.

Hank (72:04)

Are there rumors? No. Hipaa. No HIPAA violations.

Big Cat (72:08)

I've heard rumors, but I'm not gonna do hipaa.

Max (72:10)

Yeah, me neither.

Big Cat (72:11)

Have you heard rumors? No, I've heard rumors, but I'm not gonna do hipaa.

Hank (72:14)

Okay.

Big Cat (72:15)

Do you want to bleep out the rumor I heard?

Hank (72:17)

Yeah, bleep it out.

Big Cat (72:18)

Okay.

Max (72:20)

I, yeah, I've heard that as well.

Big Cat (72:22)

That's the rumor that I've heard. Not good. No, because that. I don't know how you fix that.

Max (72:27)

Yeah, it might be like a stamina or like.

Big Cat (72:29)

Yeah, yeah.

Max (72:30)

He just doesn't. The juice. I don't know.

Big Cat (72:32)

Yeah.

Max (72:33)

I don't know, man. I don't know, man.

Big Cat (72:35)

Okay. By the way, the. We. We already knew it, but Juan didn't put on the shirt, and now he's flexing about how he's undefeated in the shirt that he did wear. I hate this guy. This guy I really hate.

Hank (72:45)

Again, I. I don't like the dark T shirts.

Big Cat (72:47)

I think they're gonna switch it up, though. You. I think next game, game five, is gonna definitely be something different.

Hank (72:51)

I think it's probably too late to switch it up after game one into game two. They probably had the T shirt designer. Like, they had. You got to order that well in advance, but if you really want that. And also, they did win by, like, 40 points. Yeah, but just from a visual, from an aesthetic. I think the ratings would have been higher if they were wearing brightly colored shirts in the second half.

Big Cat (73:10)

I'd agree. I'd agree, Big cat.

Hank (73:12)

You would. You would not have said that.

Big Cat (73:13)

I would have been so wired. Yeah. I couldn't have gone to sleep.

Hank (73:16)

Yep.

Big Cat (73:17)

Isn't it, like the best feeling, though, when you nail. I'm gonna go to sleep early. Yeah. You make the. You make the decision of, like, I do need sleep, but I like, most of the time, I'm like, I'm staying through it. But I was like, you know what? This game is over.

Hank (73:29)

Yeah. And that's a great feeling.

Big Cat (73:30)

I didn't miss any.

Hank (73:31)

There's no worse feeling than the opposite.

Memes (73:33)

The worst.

Hank (73:33)

I went to bed the other week and I was like, this episode of Last of Us is going to be exactly like the other three beforehand. That was a. That was a nightmare to wake up from.

Big Cat (73:41)

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Max (74:56)

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Hank (75:33)

Okay.

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Wait, you said that you have one in LA too, right?

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Hank (76:03)

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Big Cat (76:16)

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Big Cat (76:17)

All right, here he is, Gilbert Arenas. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is Gilbert Arenas. He is joining us. He's got a new documentary out. It is on Netflix. Untold Story Shooting Guards. Gilbert, first of all, thank you for joining us. We want to talk about the documentary. We want to talk about the NBA playoffs, some of your career. But before we do that, I. We were gonna have you on last week. I think it was two weeks ago. And then your son obviously got in that car accident. Is he doing okay? Because that was obviously really, really scary. I'm sure for You. But I, I hope that he's doing a lot better.

Memes (76:56)

Yeah, yeah, he's, he's doing a lot better. Yeah. I mean it was a scary moment. You know, it's, you know, teenage kids, when they get these, these cars, you know, you, you, you kind of get a worry about them sometimes, you know. 4am what was it? 5. It's about 5am he's coming back from working out before he went to school and he said the car computer just malfunctioned and then ran and ran into a fire hydrant and tree. Damn.

Big Cat (77:26)

Scary. Damn. So, and he's playing ball at USC next year, right?

Memes (77:29)

Yeah, he's going to USC next year and you know, UCLA saved his life, so that's going to be interesting, right?

Big Cat (77:36)

Yeah, we're big muscleman guys. So he's been a friend of ours for a long time, so he'll, he'll be in good hands. So the, the new documentary out on Netflix, like I said, untold stories, shooting guards. Let me ask you this, how like this felt like this was a long time in the making. It's obviously centered around you and Javar's cringe crin in and the, the incident in the locker room. How do you feel like it was, it came out how, how like the story was told after you watched it? Were you like this is pretty accurate to what, what happened or do you think they kind of missed some things.

Memes (78:10)

When it comes to like in the making? It actually wasn't that long. I really didn't care two shits about it. And you know, when I heard Javaros was coming out because he, because he was in, and it was 23 years, it was like, ah, you know, I'm not gonna tell a one sided story. You know, both parties need to be there. So, you know, it was put on the back burner when it comes to the details of the story itself. The locker room, it was pretty accurate. You know, that's why I was joking so much during the time it happened.

Big Cat (78:42)

Like.

Memes (78:44)

It was a typical day. I mean, you know, I know the guns, but it was a typical day in the locker room. A wizard's locker room. But I was intrigued on, you know, what happened to him after because, you know, sometimes when, you know, situations like that happen, you go down two paths. Right. You can, you know, hide from the world or you can be, you know, Superman.

Big Cat (79:11)

Yeah.

Hank (79:12)

And you guys, at the end of the documentary, it showed that you guys are still in touch to this day. Did you, did you reach back out to him when he got out of prison or have you guys been in touch over the last couple decades? Is that something that you guys went your separate ways and then you decided to come back and, and say, hey, check in on them? Or is that more recent?

Memes (79:31)

I mean, even, even after, like, you know, this wasn't an enemy. This is. Was one of the, the closest guys on the team with me, right. Every time we was on a road trip, he'd come to my room, order food, right? And we just chop it up and, you know, just talk about life and basketball and training. So, you know, he was the closest guy to me besides like Nick Young. So, you know, our beef mostly came because I didn't like the way he was talking to our teammates, right. Why. Why he was losing money. So that's really how started. So like, even right after, once I realized, man, you know, if we do, if the NBA do call us, I'll just take all the blame. So, you know, they didn't use the, the text message where I text them. I think it was like December, like 21st, 2009. Like, yo, if the NBA comes in, just blame me. You didn't have no gun. I'll take full responsibility for this. And then, you know, when his mom got, I think she needed a surgery, you know, everybody kind of like turned it back on him. I'm the one who helped pay for it. So I've been there, you know, the whole time. You know, we went probably like a year without talking. Cause he was mad at me because something I probably text on Instagram joking around. But I bought all of his cell phones that got him put in the hole, right. For the last, you know, eight years. Yeah, I was supplying him his cell phones.

Hank (80:59)

So one of the more interesting parts of this, this documentary and I was a fan of these Wizards team, so I remember watching it, how fun you were. You guys were kind of out of control sometimes, but it was a, it was a fun team to watch there. There was no mention of DeSean Stevenson in the documentary. And I feel like his, his playoff battles against LeBron, where he would just openly antagonize LeBron going into the games, that was so fun. I know that you guys had some rivalries, some, some bets. I know you competed in a three point shootout against DeSean, right. And what were the rules that. And how much money was on the line?

Memes (81:34)

The rules were, I will shoot one hand. It wasn't even a rule. It was just one of those things that. So it started with Roger Mason. So for some reason they had this idea that Roger Mason was a better college high school three point shooter than me because they felt that, oh, you only shoot threes. Well, today's basketball threes in layups, right? So I said, what are you talking about? I bet 20 grand. I will beat him. I'll blow him out.

Big Cat (82:07)

Out.

Memes (82:08)

Right. So we was in Boston, went to a gym, beat him, and then while I was bragging, desean Stevenson started, you know, talking. So I said, bro, I'll beat you with one hand. I'll bet you 20 that. And then, you know, other people took that bet on his side, which was weird.

Big Cat (82:26)

Yeah.

Memes (82:27)

So we bet 20 and I beat him with the one hand. I didn't take, I didn't take the money though.

Hank (82:32)

Yeah, I think, I think the stat line that came out of that, you went 73 for 100 from three flat footed with one hand and 76.

Memes (82:39)

76. Only she'd be three.

Hank (82:42)

Yeah. And then, and then you, you ran it back against Nick Young and you brought a hundred grand in cash and a duffel bag into the gym, right?

Memes (82:50)

Yes. Oh, yeah, that was a few years later. That was here in Los Angeles. Yeah, he didn't show up. I think I went 90s. I probably went 95. 96 from 3.

Big Cat (82:59)

Jesus. So that's like when, whenever the debate comes out about like, and NFL players playing in the NBA, NBA players playing in the NFL, obviously everyone has their side, but I do think that like the regular world doesn't understand just how good NBA players are at shooting. Like in an open gym, you guys just don't miss. Like, would you just, when you were practicing, would you just go a hundred in a row? Like not even thinking about it? Because if you've ever seen it, even the guy on the end of the bench can just make every shot when they're in an open gym.

Memes (83:32)

Yeah, when, when you're in an open gym, it's, it's literally everyone, everyone is a great shooter. Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's practice shooting. There's. You're in your own comfortable environment. You probably got earphones on, right? The gym is smaller, so it's not, it's not this wide open space. What happens is some people can't translate the crowd, the atmosphere, the, the bigger arena, they don't know how to gauge the distance. And you know, as much as I shot in a practice gym, I shot in the NBA gym also. So like night before games, I'll have them put the floor down in one, rim up, and I'll sit there and shoot thousands of shots.

Big Cat (84:12)

Yeah. Do you, do you think about, like the way the NBA and basketball, both college and NBA have gone? Do you feel like, man, I missed, I missed my era a little bit because it is just threes and layups. A lot of, A lot of these teams are doing the analytical thing where, like, I know you shot a lot of threes during your career, but I bet you if you were playing in the NBA right now, the coach would tell you to shoot even more threes.

Memes (84:36)

Yeah. You know, listen, it's. I love this generation. I love the era. The star players are doing what star players do. Right? The Yokesh, the Shays, the Brunsons. Right. The star players have a. They just have a different game. What analytics has done has taken players that shouldn't touch the ball. Right. That shouldn't shoot the ball. This freedom of shot.

Big Cat (85:04)

Right?

Memes (85:05)

Right. Where you have your fourth or fifth best player on the court allowed to shoot four, five threes. Right? Like we have to get this total of 50 threes. And then you started looking around like, okay, if I'm Tatum, okay, I got eight of them. Brown, you got eight. Hey, coach, we need about 40, something more. Where are we going to get them from?

Big Cat (85:26)

Right.

Memes (85:26)

Derrick White raising his hand like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, guy, you got paid for defense. Play defense, right? You're not going to be chucking 10 threes up. And that's what ended up happening in this new analytic where they're trying to feel all these three point quotas and you guys are not three point shooters.

Big Cat (85:46)

Right? Right. So speaking of that series, and I know you watch ball every night, it's stunning that the Knicks are up to O in this series. What, like, what do you, like, what do you take from those first two games? Because like, part of me says, like, oh, the Celtics are going to eventually make some threes. But also it does feel like the game gets close late and Jalen Brunson is that type of dog. And like, almost like the Knicks are in their comfort zone when they're behind and they come back and they put the pressure on the Celtics. The Celtics have completely like pissed down their leg late in these games. It's crazy to watch.

Memes (86:22)

Yeah. Every time I've watched him lose, it's the same motto. They're going 10 for 60, 15 for 45. It's not very great shooting percentage from the three point line. It's like these guys are living and dying by a three pointer. Yeah, you're going to go up 20, but you get caught easily. Right? It's not like you're, you know, you're going up by 20 and then now beating them to the basket and, you know, getting this free throw like it's threes or layups. And right now they're just living on threes. And I said it last year, I said that Kitty's heels is if they have these horrible shooting nights from the three point line, they don't actually take enough twos.

Big Cat (87:04)

Right.

Memes (87:05)

To, you know, to, to, to cushion that. And you play, you know, I argued if you play a team like Giannis, Giannis plays old school basketball, he's going to get you in foul trouble. He's trying to make layups. He's going, they're going to beat you.

Big Cat (87:18)

Right?

Memes (87:18)

You play against Brunson. Brunson plays old school basketball. He's going to layups, mid ranges, try to get you in foul trouble. He's a foul baiter. And then last five minutes, he's the closest thing we have to Mamba mentality, the real Mamba mentality, like, you know, from 96 to. Before he passed, passed, not after he passed. And it became, you know, watered down version of what mama mentality was, the Mamba mentality, this selfish thing. No one liked that killer mentality that wants to take over the world. That's what Brunson has in the last five minutes.

Hank (87:52)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it. It's been crazy watching this series and I don't know what the Celtics are going to do to adjust because it seems like they've just tried to shoot their way out of having bad shooting nights. And maybe, maybe something happens when they go to a different arena. I don't know. But the old saying is like the role players play better at home, but the Knicks role players have been playing pretty good on the road right now. So I don't know if you were coaching the Celtics. Do you just say, listen, we got to stick with what got us all these wins, with what got us a championship last year, or do we need to tweak something? Because what we're doing right now, it's not working.

Memes (88:22)

Last year is last year. And, you know, we have a new year playing against a new. A new enemy. And this enemy is. Has came back twice while we were up 20. Yeah, we're up 20, but we're losing at the end, so we're doing something wrong. Me personally, as a coach, I've watched us lose and how we've lost. And some, for some reason, you guys don't realize that we've missed five or six Threes in a row. One of you guys go make a layup right the beginning of the game. First person to shoot a fucking three out. I'm subbing you out. You get, you earned. I don't care who it is at this point, because I need, I need to reverse engineer what they're doing because obviously they're closing out on a three. They're playing for the three. Jason Tatum. They Knicks went up. Jason Tatum literally inbound the ball. Got it back in full court layup.

Big Cat (89:17)

Yeah.

Memes (89:19)

Like, that's how easy it's been. You just go to the basket, right?

Big Cat (89:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Memes (89:25)

You remember, you remember, the hardest team that, that people don't, no one really paid attention to was the second year or LeBron's first championship with Miami, when him and D. Wade said, yo, we're not shooting threes this year.

Big Cat (89:47)

Yeah.

Memes (89:48)

And did you see how hard they regard. Because when LeBron drove D. Wade dived. They was doing this double lobby type of play, and nobody was ready for two guys with 40 inch verticals slashing and dunking. That. That team was really hard to guard. And I, I, that was the best LeBron. And, you know, they put it in their minds, we're not going to be sitting here chucking threes and bailing the other team out like you guys are. You guys, Jalen and Tatum is the most athletic dudes on the court, and you're doing these sidestep threes at 6, 9 and 6, 10 y. Ridiculous.

Big Cat (90:29)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I thought like, the, the craziest possession in the whole game was when the Knicks were coming back and there was that possession where Horford was under the basket and Brunson had fallen down and Tatum had the ball in the corner shooting a 3 with like 3 minutes left. All they got to do is get a bucket to stop the Knicks. Like, and, and he takes the three. And yes, it's a wide open three, but he also had a wide open Al Horford standing under the. The hoop, and it's like, just get the bucket. Just get two points or get fouled just to stop what the Knicks are doing.

Memes (91:00)

Yeah. I just don't understand who's doing the math on the analytics. Like, who is actually math in the analytics. You're shooting 60 threes. You have 105 points.

Big Cat (91:12)

Yeah, yeah.

Memes (91:13)

I don't know how that's mathing for you guys, but that is horrible.

Big Cat (91:17)

Yeah. And now obviously, you know, game three could happen and the Celtics could shoot 50% from three and win by 30. And we'd look stupid, but that's you kind of. You're playing on the razor's edge where it's like if you get cold for a few games, you're out.

Memes (91:29)

Yeah. I mean you're one of those games. You're right. They're going to shoot 45 to 50 something percent from the three point line. They're going to win by 30 in a seven game series. That's a one gamer.

Big Cat (91:42)

Yeah, yeah.

Memes (91:43)

One gamer and a one halfer. And you better hope it happens in the second half, not the first half like it's been doing.

Big Cat (91:50)

Yeah, what about. So we talked about it. The Pacers have been incredible in these playoffs. They're up 20 on the catch. The thing that strikes me is like similar to the Knicks where in these fourth quarters they've two out of last three games, they've come back from seven down under a minute. Is there, Is it as simple as like they are better conditions than the teams they're playing. And it feels like they still have gas in the tank at the end of games, whereas the opponent just kind of runs out of gas. And it's like maybe it's because they play at such a high pace, but it does feel like when they get to the fourth quarter, the other team's got hands on hips and hands on knees and they're just still running and going right at you.

Memes (92:27)

I mean when you're talking about the Pacers, the Pacers is no different than like the Phoenix Suns was. Right? Their style is running and trying to run you out of building New Jersey nets 0102 or 2000, 2001 when Jason Kidd got there, right. They're, they're conditioned. But when you're talking about like somebody like Donovan Mitchell, he's conditioned to do what he does. What happens with some of these comebacks? And when you're talking about Indiana versus Cleveland, when you have this free for all, everyone gets to touch and shoot the ball. The last five minutes is your Stars game, right? The first 43 is team play. Right. The Bulls, we got the triangle. Last five minutes is Michael Jordan. Right. We've watched it. If you look at how the game is being played now, Cleveland Cavaliers, last five minutes, team basketball. Everyone gets to touch it. We all did. You know, this is a team project. And what happens is some of those guys who are not built for the moment, don't realize score time and possession. Everyone's not smart, everyone's not the fucking quarterback on the field. You do got some dumb bots out there that, that's playing. And they will. They've done missed 0 for 4. They don't know time in possession. They don't realize there's a 130 run and he wants to shoot at three because he's open. You're open for a reason, right? Because they know you're. You're dumb enough to shoot that shot. And they usually do, for the most part. Now, when you look at the Knicks, there's only one person getting the ball last five minutes, and he's going to dictate every possession. Same with Indiana. Tyrese is going to dictate every possession. Now, Cleveland Garland being out kind of hurts them because now Donovan has to play the point and the shooting guard when he's just better at being the shooting guard and let Garland actually figure out the great plays that he needs to make when you don't score.

Hank (94:29)

Yeah. So how would you work that out? I assume that you would. You've played on some teams where. Where somebody else thought that they were the man man at the end of the game, and I know that you probably always knew that you were the man at the end of the game that was going to need the ball. When it comes to somebody that. That thinks that they're the guy, but they're not, how would you go about letting him know, hey, fuck you, I'm the man. Give me the ball. Stop taking those shots.

Memes (94:51)

That's. That's usually already established in practice, training camp, you know, one on ones after practice. Right. We've done already established who gets the ball at the end of the game. The only person that can offset that is the coach.

Hank (95:08)

Right.

Memes (95:09)

When. When coach and analytics say, hey, everybody gets the touch. We're all equal here. This is a team sport. That's the only thing that. That goes into play when you're talking about who takes these last shots. But like, Brunson, he didn't just get to New York and everybody was like, hey, you take all the last shots? No, he's earned that through battling them every day in practice, them in training camp, and hitting big shots throughout the beginning of the season. And he's like, yeah, that's the guy right there.

Big Cat (95:43)

Yeah.

Hank (95:43)

So looking out west, I got to bring up an old take of yours. You said Jokic was the worst MVP to ever win the award. If. If SGA wins it this year, is he worse than Jokic was, or how does that work out? Who would then be the number one worst?

Memes (95:58)

Okay. It was more clickbait. Ish. Right. I'm very good at wordplay, so I said he will be the worst. So if he wins the next one, he'll be the worst three time MVP in the last 40 years. Right. Because it was like. So I looked at the. So basically when I said and you say Jokic MVP and worse, everybody forgets anything else you're saying. Right, Right. They're already offended. So I added three. So there's only five people. That's, that's three time MVPs. Those five were in that time frame is Magic, Bird, Jordan, LeBron and Jokic. At that time, he's gonna rank fifth.

Big Cat (96:40)

Right.

Memes (96:41)

Instead of saying five, I say worse. Right, right. Just. It just sounds better for headlines.

Big Cat (96:46)

Right. That's smart.

Memes (96:49)

That was, was, you know, more of it. Just, you know, trying to corral it. Yeah.

Hank (96:54)

What if he becomes the, the worst four time MVP? I don't think anybody's been the worst three time and the worst four time MVP, four time. I mean it's LeBron and Wilt.

Memes (97:05)

LeBron Wilt, I think MJ.

Big Cat (97:08)

MJ.

Hank (97:09)

Yeah.

Memes (97:11)

But in my time frame, yes, he would be the worst because It'd be like LeBron, MJ.

Big Cat (97:19)

So what does he have? So I guess is, is Jokic better than Bill Russell?

Memes (97:24)

Yeah.

Big Cat (97:24)

Okay, so Jokic has to win five MVPs then, I mean.

Memes (97:28)

Okay.

Big Cat (97:28)

Because then he would be the, he wouldn't be the worst five time mvp because I think five and up is just Jordan, Bill Russell and, and Kareem.

Memes (97:35)

Yeah. You know, it's just depending on your.

Hank (97:36)

Time frame, he'd be the second worst five time.

Memes (97:40)

If you use all of NBA, if you narrow it down, it depends on how you want to do it these days.

Big Cat (97:45)

So if he wins, if he wins 5, he'd be not the worst 5 time MVP. If he wins 6, he'd be back to the worst because you'd have Kareem over him. And then if he wins seven, he'd be, he'd stay the worst. Yeah, he'd be the best and worst seven time mvp.

Memes (97:57)

Like when you, when you're talking about MVP and when you're talking about like these debates. Right. For some reason everybody wants to use the team award first. You want to use championships when it's actually the opposite. When you're talking about someone's personal legacy, it goes off of how dominant was he individually and then team stuff is later on. So when you do a point system on, if you look at the top 10, you will realize them championships is irrelevant when it comes to your individual awards. Scottie Pippen has six, right?

Big Cat (98:38)

Yeah.

Memes (98:39)

There's guys who don't have rings in front of him on the all time list.

Big Cat (98:44)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Memes (98:45)

You got Karl Malone in front of him, you got John Stockton, you got people who don't even have one in front of him because his six is not valued like Michael Jordan six. But if you take away Michael Jordan's ring, he has 10 scoring titles, he has six MVPs, he has defensive war those. It shows his personal dominance. Jokish personal dominance. When he's done, you have to argue he's top one, two best sinners ever.

Hank (99:20)

Yes.

Memes (99:21)

The only person who you remove rings, the only person who is going to be standing tall over him is Kareem.

Big Cat (99:29)

Yeah.

Hank (99:30)

What about Shaq? Because you could always say like Shaq is. Shaq is maybe the most dominant.

Memes (99:34)

Yeah. And when you use the word dominant, you gotta say like what kind of dominant are we talking about? Are we talking about breaking rim dominant and just brute force dominant and we're scared of you dominant or just sheer. I'm out here just manipulating the game, taking over dominance.

Big Cat (99:54)

Right.

Memes (99:54)

When, when, when you hear Shaq say dominance, I'm like, yeah, because I know how that looks. Right? You breaking rims, pushing people down. Right. You know there has to be a 40 minute timeout because they got to get a new rim in from Best Buy. Right. I, I get that. Right. But what Jokic is doing and how he dominates is dominant also.

Big Cat (100:13)

Yeah.

Hank (100:14)

I think with. He's the one guy that, with that the ring conversation is fair. It's. It's like the, the team that he has around him. And don't get me wrong, I don't think that the Nuggets have bad team around him, but he doesn't have, have like a genuine top tier superstar. I think the stat was he's never played with an all Star on the Nuggets. Right.

Big Cat (100:29)

Yeah.

Hank (100:30)

So, but when he wins, when he's able to take his team to a championship, he's literally making everybody on that floor, you know, two times better than what they could be. And he's the main reason why they get that ring. So with him, I actually do think it's fair to be like, yeah, he won a championship over some of these other great teams.

Memes (100:45)

Like yeah, him, him winning a championship and Giannis winning the championship with the teams they had. I mean it is like, wow, that's. You guys are way better than you get credit for. We've watched Denver, we see, we like, okay, Murray, you should have won an all star. You should have made an all Star. Like you're that player. Just for some reason, voters went against you, so you are that guy. The rest, yeah, yeah. You know, I don't know If Michael Porter Jr. I don't know how many teams he was start on. Christian Brown, I don't know how many other teams you actually start on. I'm pretty sure Gordon can get away with, you know, he can beat another four man out depending on what team he's on to start. So, you know, three of their starters.

Hank (101:39)

You'Re like, Russ, Russ, triple double guy, mvp.

Memes (101:44)

You know, the. The Russ that we. We. We love to hate at this point. You're like, you know what? I don't know what Russell, I'm gonna get today, but we're gonna watch and just do one of these and, you know, see how it works out for us. But, you know, Russell's one of those guys where I know Jokic is gonna love him, and I knew the coach is gonna love him because he does something you just can't teach, and that's just go hard, right?

Big Cat (102:09)

Yeah, all the time. All the time.

Memes (102:11)

Go hard. Just, hey, go hard. And you're like, all right, I can do. I can do that.

Big Cat (102:15)

Yeah.

Memes (102:16)

And that's what he does all the time.

Big Cat (102:17)

You mentioned clickbait. Do you have anything to say for getting got on the fake Charles Barkley quote? Which was very funny. You were. You were dressed as a clown on your podcast, and then you had a whole discussion about Charles. But the fake quote was basically Charles Barkley said, if LeBron and the Lakers lose this series against Minnesota, I don't want to hear about LeBron being a top five all time player. He never said that. Oh, he did it. No, I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley.

Memes (102:47)

Which.

Big Cat (102:47)

By the way, we live on the Internet. We get God all the time. It's just part of the game.

Memes (102:52)

So. Yeah.

Big Cat (102:53)

Wait, you didn't know that that was. I don't think that was a real quote.

Memes (102:56)

No, I didn't know. I mean, but it's still Charles Barkley, so. Yeah.

Big Cat (103:00)

Yeah, that's true.

Memes (103:01)

Jump out the way. Is it? I'll jump out the window again.

Big Cat (103:05)

Yeah. You went in on him. You said you. What were you doing when you were 40? You were fat in Houston, complaining about trying to get on the treadmill and stuff.

Memes (103:12)

No, I. I'm just going off of. That's real, though. That's what happened. Right? I, like, I was a big Charles Barkley fan. I was the guy that wore the Suns, you know, back then we, you know, in the black community you know, we used to put words and, you know, logos in our head for some reason. And I had Phoenix Suns, where I can go back and forth, up and down, and it still spells sons. So I was a big Barkley fan, so I remember his career. So listening to him now talking about, you know, you know, going at Kevin Durant, you're not a leader. And then, oh, you guys are just quitting, and you guys are not out of shape, and you guys don't play defensive. Like, wait a minute. Do you not remember who you were when you played? You're talking as if you're not Charles Barkley. I'm not a role model. Like, what are we doing here? So I always, like, nitpick at some of the things he says because it doesn't match who he was. Pause.

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Big Cat (106:14)

Yeah. Yeah.

Hank (106:14)

I mean, the. The quote, I'm looking at it right now, it looks like it came from goatman23. At goatman23. So you. I mean, everything that you said was, in theory, true about Charles Barkley. It was just. Goatman23 started the conversation.

Big Cat (106:29)

Yeah. He started the war there.

Memes (106:31)

Ah, they got me.

Big Cat (106:35)

But.

Memes (106:35)

But because this Charles, I can't take it.

Big Cat (106:37)

Yeah, right. Yeah. That's one of those situations where you got. Got. But you're also like, it totally could be true.

Memes (106:43)

Yeah. Look, this. This is my thing. I'm. I'm a LeBron fan, but I'm a LeBron fan because of the greatness that I see. Like. Like Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, magic. I love just pure greatness. It intrigues me, right? So when I see. I was in the league when LeBron came, I know what they said. I see what they said when they turned on him. I had to do scouting reports in the playoffs against this kid when he was a kid. Watching him now. Now I'm like, yeah, he is. That dude has been that dude from the beginning. Listening to the narratives that's been said about a guy who, if I said, all right, name one year, one full year, he disappointed you, as a fan, you're not going to be able to name one full year. You can name a series, a couple games here and there, but when you're talking about, did he give you your money's worth? You have to say yes for 22 years. When you sit here, compare his 20 20th year, 21st year, 22nd year to a young Kobe's career or Michael Jordan in his prime. It's like, wait a minute. You didn't even. You didn't even put Michael Jordan wizard years to Michael Jordan Bulls years. You just let the Wizard Michael Jordan just run around the league Smoking cigars, drinking before games, having fun. That's what 40 year old men did, right? Just happy to see a junk Jordan out there running around giving people 20. That is, that, that was amazing.

Hank (108:30)

That's a valid point because Michael Jordan's Wizards years, it was, it was like a sideshow. We knew at the time this doesn't really count. This isn't really Michael Jordan. Jordan. If LeBron did the that that Jordan did later on in his career, we would be making fun. We wouldn't be glazing like you are today.

Big Cat (108:44)

Yeah.

Hank (108:46)

Is that what you called yourself?

Memes (108:47)

Oh, I'm a Glazer. Oh, now you know, I'm a Laker Glazer. And now I'm. I'm a Luca Glazer.

Big Cat (108:54)

Oh, you are. Do you think he's out of shape?

Memes (108:57)

No. What, what, what? 33, nine and nine.

Big Cat (109:02)

Okay, but he's, but do you think he's out of shape? I'm not saying that Luke is not incredible. I'm saying Luka could be in better shape.

Memes (109:10)

In better shape. Yes. Okay, but the notion of saying, okay, let's just try it this way. Let's say you guarded him and he gave you 71. Are you really going to just use the phrase he's out of shape and he just gave you 71? No, he's going to be in the best shape of his life. If he put those type of numbers on you. When you're saying someone's out of shape and then you look at, at 37 and 7, it kind of makes the people who are in shape not look too good. Like if you're Anthony Edwards and you're in shape and then the fat man over here led the series in scoring and assist. I don't know if I'm sitting here at the podium like, yeah, okay, okay.

Big Cat (109:52)

But counterpoint. I think Luka is. I love watching Luka play basketball. I think he's a top five player. He's so much fun. He's so skilled offensively. Do you not think that there's like, hey, man, you're 26. You could probably get into the best shape of your life and take it to that next level where it's like you are truly unstoppable now.

Memes (110:12)

Yeah, he's in. Okay. Him, Jokic. Right. I even remember Carmelo. He is in Lucas shape. Right, right. He's in the shape that he knows that he's in. That's just like a lot of NBA players. Right? You think what you're doing is. Yeah, I'm in shape until you go to a team where someone does something more than you. So in Dallas, what he did is all he knows, right. There's never been. I've never seen anybody on that team that I said, okay, that's a different condition guy, right? If he played with a Rip Hamilton, if he played with a Westbrook, now he's with a LeBron, right. With a Steve Nash. Guys who do that extra cardio, who really actually get to that top tier level of in shape. He's never played with that guy to even know what that looks like. And sometimes we. We can go our whole career and don't know there's these extra levels. Unless you're in a locker room with Kobe, you don't know there's an extra level to working out, right?

Big Cat (111:22)

Yeah. Did you ever have a guy in one of your locker rooms where you're like, oh, shit, Like, I know I'm the best player on the team, but he. What he's doing. Oh, you were that guy for everyone else, that guy.

Memes (111:31)

Okay, I. I didn't come in as that guy. Right. You know, we have practice at 11 o' clock. Our team as a whole unit got there, you know, 10:45. We had some players that got there at 11:45. They had to golf first, right? So they had to play their golf and then come to practice. So I. That's what I was, you know, looking at. And then, you know, Chris Mullen basically taught me how to work out. Added that with Mark Jackson. Then when I started hearing Colby's stories of Kobe, when Luke Walton got there and he said, yo, if you think you work out cold three times a day, this is how they do on game day. He's there at 3 o' clock. I'm like, bullshit. He's not there. 3 o' clock. And I said, when we come to LA, I'm gonna go to the Staples center and I'm gonna be there at 3 o' clock to see if he's there. 3 o' clock, he was there. And what I seen was incredible. He was doing elbow shots, 500 makes. The intensity of it was insane, right? Like, he's doing a pump fake shot. The trainer had to be, like, he had to jump and foul him and give him the contact full, full playoff game 7 mode before the game. And when I seen it with my own eyes, it clicked in. And that's why my game really improved, because I witnessed something that I didn't see the first part of my first year in the NBA. And now I see, like, what the next level look like. And I, every trip we went to LA, I was at the gym at 3 o' clock to watch Kobe.

Big Cat (113:26)

Yeah.

Hank (113:26)

I also think the, the Lakers yellow doesn't really flatter Luca as much. It looks like a big punch. I think it'd actually be funnier if, if he got fatter. If Luca got like real fat and.

Big Cat (113:37)

He could still, he could still, you.

Hank (113:38)

Know, give you 30 on offense. That would be awesome watching like Escalade out there.

Memes (113:42)

Yeah.

Hank (113:43)

Just burying shots in your face.

Memes (113:45)

Like, I think it's this fine balance. The same thing with Jokic. The weight helps them in their style of play. Right. They need the body with the contact. Right. They're very great reactors and sometimes they need to carry a little bit more weight. Right. To do a lot of things that they do hold people off. I looked at Lucas rookie year, you know that that's going to be, you know what I mean? That's going to be the skinniest version of him. And I'm like, yeah, we can use this one. Yeah, yeah. This, this, this extra burst Luca that can actually dunk and he's a lot faster. That is the Luca we need. So, you know, if he's sitting at about, I can gauge it. He's all of six. Have you seen him in person?

Big Cat (114:32)

I've seen him in person in the fact that I've watched him like live, but I've never, like, been in the same room as him.

Memes (114:38)

Yeah, like, he's all of about six, nine and a half, right. He, he's a big human being and he's probably sitting at about 260. If Luca can get down to about 230, 225. I, I, I really believe he's going to be MVP next year.

Big Cat (114:58)

Yeah, I'd agree, by the way. You have. So we're, we love on our podcast. We love D. You have dumb ideas too. I saw one of the dumbest ideas that I kind of like, but I want you to explain it even more. You had the idea of make it take it in the playoffs, that you start the series and if the home team wins, they just keep getting home court advantage as long as they keep winning. Why, why, why, why this idea? Like, it, it does seem the best ideas are the ones that like, your knee jerk reaction is that stupid. And then you think about it more and you're like, like, oh, shit. That would be kind of fun. So how did you come up with this idea?

Memes (115:34)

Like, I, I'm, I'm thinking about, like when you're talking about two Games here, two games there. One, one, one. You know, you're just, you know, looking at the back and forth, and it's like. Like, if we were playing just one on one. And that's what a series is, is 1, verse, 1. Why am I giving you the ball? Like, you, you have to earn this. Right? So I'm not giving up home court advantage until you beat me.

Big Cat (115:59)

Yeah, right.

Memes (115:59)

Like, take it from me, and then we can go down to your hometown and we got to take it back from you. But, you know, obviously this is a business, and it has to be, you know, we got to go to your building so your fan base can. Can win some, you know, some, I guess. So you can pay your bills in a sense, right?

Big Cat (116:16)

Yeah, right. All right.

Memes (116:17)

If you just come straight to hoops. Want to go to your hometown, bro?

Big Cat (116:22)

Yeah, I, I mean, I do. I would be intriguing because, like, if you win game one on the road, it's like, all right, we're going back home right away.

Memes (116:29)

Yes.

Big Cat (116:29)

That's pretty sick. Sick. How do you. What do you think about. I have a dumb idea. I actually pitched this to Adam Silver. I don't know if he's going to take it, but I have a dumb idea that every player should get one fight a fan a year, where you can call out a fan and then they fight it in the middle of the court. And, like, there's no laws. Like, if you beat the fuck out of the fan, you don't get arrested or anything. That would stop fans from mouthing off all the time.

Memes (116:51)

No, it'll stop those fans from mouthing out. Then you're going to have them MMA guys.

Big Cat (116:58)

Yeah, you get to decide. You get, like, you see a qualifier, flower year. You're not calling them out.

Memes (117:04)

Exactly. Now, I, I, I kind of like the idea, but, like, I see someone like a Westbrook really using it really early. Yeah. I think would be probably mad that he didn't save it for that one fan.

Big Cat (117:22)

You could use it in trades, though. Like, you could be like, hey, we're trading. We want to trade for Westbrook, but you also have to trade us a fight a fan so he gets an extra one.

Hank (117:30)

Yeah, it's like an asset. Yeah, like, Like a draft pick.

Big Cat (117:33)

Yeah.

Hank (117:34)

We're thinking about signing Dre, so we're gonna need. We're gonna need a couple more fighters.

Big Cat (117:38)

We need all your entire team's fight a fan if we're gonna get Draymond.

Hank (117:42)

With the fan only.

Memes (117:43)

There's only a few guys that I can see really using It. Isaiah Stewart.

Big Cat (117:51)

Yeah.

Memes (117:52)

Pretty sure he will use his.

Big Cat (117:57)

Draymond, would you. Yeah, Draymond would use his in, like, the first quarter of the first game.

Memes (118:02)

I don't think when you watch Draymond's antics, it's in real time.

Big Cat (118:06)

Yeah, right.

Memes (118:07)

It's like. It's like these real times, like, he gets hit in the elbow, and then now he wants to overfling. Right. I don't see how a fan gets under his skin. He doesn't get easily moved by fans.

Big Cat (118:19)

That's true.

Memes (118:22)

Mostly just Westbrook at this point.

Big Cat (118:24)

Yeah.

Hank (118:25)

Maybe Dylan Brooks. Yeah. He might mix it up.

Memes (118:27)

You know, probably it'll just be some random, quiet guy that we don't know of, and he's just sitting there. He's done. Had enough. And he just points you.

Big Cat (118:35)

Yeah.

Memes (118:35)

Mimi in the middle, you're like, oh, yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't, like, ready to fight.

Big Cat (118:41)

Yeah. Yeah.

Hank (118:42)

I. I want to go back real quick to the. The Thunder and the Nugget series. So it's one one. They're going back to Denver. Is Denver like, they. They get home? Are they happy with how things went in Oklahoma City? Because at the end of the day, they. They flipped home court. They. You know, they got the first game, but then they just got their ass kicked the second game. So how do you think that team's feeling right now? Are they confident?

Memes (119:04)

Listen, there's. I personally don't think they're confident because even game one, you was getting. You was getting built to ass. Right. You end up coming back, but you. It wasn't. Was a comeback, but it wasn't really. You didn't play very well. Right. It looked like he was getting manhandled. You was bad body language from Jokic in the fourth quarter, and then they end up making a comeback here. You just got the doors blown off. I don't. I don't know what you take from game two, nor one. That actually helps you in game three.

Big Cat (119:40)

Yeah, right.

Memes (119:41)

It's same thing with New York. Like New York, you were getting beat down the first. Like, you're down 20, and just sheer. Just sheer willness gave you those. So you have. You have something that you can say, hey, I don't give a fuck what they're up. We got this going into the Garden, which is going to be bananas. Right. I don't see how Denver goes home and they're like, yeah, don't worry. That was just. We stole one guy's. Let's just defend our home court. I don't see what speech that men in black can, can really give?

Big Cat (120:18)

Yeah, you, your, your college career at Arizona. I have a question about Arizona basketball in general. How are they not good every single year? Because it feels like the greatest place to go to school is a basketball player.

PFT Commenter (120:31)

Player.

Memes (120:31)

Yes. I mean, you know, the weather, the women.

Big Cat (120:36)

You're right, that's it.

Memes (120:37)

The, the, the app that, the atmosphere, the fan base, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, when you're talking about just west coast basketball like we, when you're talking about like the style of play, Arizona is, I believe is west. So you know, you still are competing with the legacy of ucla, right. You probably get second fiddle, but you're still in Arizona. And then, you know, from there it's, you know, those guys try to stay close to home as much as possible. So, you know, getting the LA kid out of la, literally UCLA and USC aren't recruiting them. Then they look outward. So for the most part, you know, you know, after Luke Pass, those west coast kids kind of stopped coming. So it seems like they're getting back to what they used to be. Yeah, you know, you know, they recruited, you know, my son very hard. He just wanted to stay home.

Big Cat (121:41)

Yeah.

Memes (121:41)

You know Muscle Man, Muscle men who coached me called him every single day, right. Call. I didn't even know he was, they was talking two, three in the morning, you know, about basketball, about working out. Right. So, you know, you know, Muscleman had a hand up on everybody because he actually called him every day, right. Knowing that, you know, that he's going to reclass. I don't ever, I don't think everybody realized he was going to reclass and be a senior. So most of the guys didn't really recruit him like that. And Muscle man was there from the beginning.

Big Cat (122:12)

If your son goes on to play in the NBA or what are you going to tell him about playing cards on the play?

Memes (122:18)

I told him, listen, if, if. Well, you know, I was, I was, I was great at cards.

Big Cat (122:28)

It does sound fun. Every time I hear about him, like what's better than that? You and your boys playing cards on a plane. Like no one wants to be on a plane. Pass the time with a little gambling.

Memes (122:37)

Yeah. You know, don't be an antagonizer. Realize that losing money is more important than how much they're losing. Right. You know, it just, the idea of losing money is, you know, it was more of the problem than eleven hundred dollars.

Big Cat (122:59)

Right.

Memes (122:59)

To this day, I don't even know how much he was down to be that mad, right? Some people say, yeah, we want to. I want about four grand into. It was like four to six grand is how much. He was down in four for that team. That's like losing 300,000 because they only played for 20 a hand, right? When you're talking about, like, I was with LeBron and Richie Nim. Well, LeBron wasn't playing, but Richie and Mav Nim and Larry Hughes, we was playing 500 a hand, and I'm on a big contract, and I'm still like, right, Yeah. I was hearing, you know, games that they were playing a thousand dollars a hand. So that means, you know, everybody puts up. There's four players. Players. The game already started. 4,000, you get 1, 2, 2, 1. In a boo. You're talking about you got boo for 4,000. Now it's 8,000 in the pot. Now you got three people who have the ante back up, right? You're looking at 11 grand. And you just started the game, right?

Max (123:55)

Yeah.

Memes (123:56)

That's not the type of motion I wanted. So I will tell him, listen, win money like a real winner. Don't brag, don't, don't. And if you do, hold a taser, right?

Big Cat (124:11)

Tase the.

Hank (124:14)

Did you hear from anybody else in the league that was like, after the incident went down, they were like, hey, man, now they're telling us we can't play cards on games. What the. Why'd you do that?

Memes (124:24)

Nah, no one. No one cared.

Hank (124:26)

No one cared because I feel like at the time, you might have thought this whole thing was going to blow up over.

Memes (124:31)

Yeah, no. So, yeah, it happened on the 21st. We. We left Phoenix. So it was our Phoenix west coast trip. Flying back. Happened The. The 21st, I think. And then the story didn't leak until, I think, New Year's, right? So it was like, you know, because, to be. To be honest, the. We did in locker rooms, right? It's basically having jackass inside of a building, and only you guys get to critique each other, right? So there's been paintball shootouts in, you know, locker rooms, right? Bb, you know, shootouts, like, you know, Nick Young tells a story that I shot him in the back with a BB gun in the middle of a gun awareness meeting by the NBA, right? You know, they just came from my. They just came to my house while. While I was sleep, and, you know, him and Andre Bloch, they paintballed me in my bed, right. The night before. So they decided that they were gonna protect themselves with BB guns because I Was gonna. So I froze my paintballs and I was gonna be shooting frozen paintballs at them. And then I went in the locker seeing a BB gun and I was offended. You're bringing BB guns to the locker room to have a. So I went in the locker room. I mean, I went into the meeting. They're in the middle of a meeting. I went to his back back and pulled it. And he's screaming, baby stuck in his skin. And I was like, oh, so where were we at? And then just, you know, put the gun down and just.

Big Cat (126:03)

I mean, it was a very. Awareness.

Hank (126:05)

It was a very funny team. When you look at who was on there, you got you, obviously, Nick Young and javale mcgee, all those guys.

Memes (126:15)

Desean Stevenson. And then we had to, like, to the. Those championship minds, we had the Karan Butlers, the Antoine Jamesons, the Brennan Haywoods, the Eton Thomas. Too serious for my blood. Right, right. We had. We had the. I call it the Jaclyn Hyde type of locker room. You had goofballs and really serious.

Big Cat (126:40)

Yeah.

Hank (126:41)

Did the team ever, like, was the coach ever like, how do I. How do I get control of these guys? Like a substitute teacher, Like, I can't control the class right now in the locker room.

Memes (126:50)

He didn't come in the locker room, like, in practice, you know, we were serious. I had a. I didn't realize it until when someone asked me. It's like, why. Why did you do the things you did in locker rooms? Right. I thought you was this serious guy. I thought you worked out. I thought when you got to the gym, you did this. And I said, what the fuck you talking about? I did. And then it was like, all right, so explain to me your routine. And then I was like, okay. I got to the gym about five, six o' clock, you know, I took my four or 500 shots, lifted. Sauna, right. Took a nap. And then, you know, 10:30, and then I was like, because I be in a gym by myself so much, Right. I'm in a gym at 11pm to 1. Then I get back in. Majority of my working out, I'm by myself. The only time I seen those guys was during games. Couldn't do that in a game day. But in practice. So 10:15, 10:30, when everyone's there, it's like, PE for me.

Hank (128:00)

Huh.

Big Cat (128:00)

Yeah.

Memes (128:01)

I didn't have the concept of, these guys are getting ready for practice. I've already done my shit. What's up? Let's have fun. That was my problem, and I didn't notice that then that when these guys came in, it was recess, right. For me, personally. So I just wanted to just have fun before we had the practice.

Big Cat (128:21)

Yes, I mean, that makes sense. It also sounds like you'd be our. Our setup here. We have a full court and we have everyone coming around and we do basically jackass shit. So I think you need to come take a visit to our headquarters.

Memes (128:33)

Hey.

Big Cat (128:33)

Hey, you got a job? Listen, you sound like you have in.

Memes (128:39)

A minute for some basketball and free time.

Big Cat (128:43)

Yeah, it's recess here all the time.

Hank (128:45)

I. I got one more question about the. About the gun incident, because I don't think the documentary brought this up, but after it happens and before the story leaks, before the guy from the New York Post starts making phone calls about it. Did. Had you guys squashed it already? Were you. Were you and Javaris, like, were you cool?

Memes (129:01)

Yeah. Okay, so look, even like, if you listen to like, Job, I think it was Andre Block, Andre Bloch, and Nick Young, you know, once his gun came out, like, oh, shit, this is serious. It was the. It was. It was done after that. Like, you know what I mean? It was pretty calm after that because I know my for didn't have nothing in him, so I knew I was safe. He had something I didn't know that was part of this little game I was playing. So, you know, it was the fuse right then. And then we both went into Jacuzzi, because that's what we did before practice. We both went into Jacuzzi. And then we was having our conversation, and I'm like, yo, why are you so serious? And then he was like, man, you just take too much shit too. Like, he's mad at me because I'm joking too much. I'm mad at him like, no, you're arguing over eleven fucking hundred dollars. And he's mad at me because this is what actually happened. It was a 2, 2, 1. He had his. He got booed, so he had to re up, up the pot. So if nobody wins the money and it goes two, two, one, that means there's two ties. Everybody has to re up if you don't get no book. So, like, if you know how to play spades, imagine if you don't get a hand, right? You didn't win a hand. You have to match what's ever in the pot. So I guess this is like his second time matching the pot. Earl went out Javale didn't take any cars, so most likely he had Ultron four trump, three high trump. And from what Earl was, whoa, never mind that Means he had ace, king and queen, meaning he was gonna win the money and possibly boo the both of us. Javaris needed five, so that means he didn't have no trump. So I'm already laughing. I had three trump, I said and showed my hands like, yeah, I'm not gonna be a part of this fight. And threw my cars in. That kind of. That was the.

Big Cat (130:54)

The.

Memes (130:55)

The thing that he was mad at, that I didn't help him in this fight. I didn't help try to make it two, one, right?

Big Cat (131:02)

Yeah. You left him out. Yeah, to dry.

Memes (131:04)

I left him to dry. And that was like, yo, you're my guy. See, there's these things in the NBA where your personal relationship needs to overweigh the game rules itself. Right? So if me and you are best friends and there's $8,000 in the pot, and you have a king and I have an ace, and I hold my ace to the end, I'm gonna give you the money, but I'm gonna boo you so the $8,000 can get back in there.

Big Cat (131:38)

Yeah, right.

Hank (131:39)

It makes sense, right?

Big Cat (131:40)

Yeah.

Memes (131:40)

If I did that, you are taking that very personal because we have a relationship and. And we don't supposed to do that to each other. And I'm like, shit, I want the $8,000 back in the game. So I'm gonna. I can't win this 8,000, but you gotta put it back in. I'm gonna boo you. That was more of it, that I didn't help him fight for the money or fucking get booed with him.

Big Cat (132:03)

Yeah.

Memes (132:03)

And I'm like, yo, you did the crime. You do the time was my thing.

Hank (132:08)

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. I also like the idea of you guys squashing it in the jacuzzi afterwards. Like, you know, the other guy doesn't have a gun at that point.

Memes (132:14)

Point. Like, we like. I'm gonna just be honest, man. You know, after it happened, we was fine. The. The only wedge we really have, we had was kind of like during. Was like during, you know, during the trial and stuff. It's like, wait a minute. Like, I heard what your lawyer said. Do you believe the lie that y' all are telling or is this we still playing? Cause you already got off you. You got what's it am. So you don't need to make this kind of statement. The fact that you already got basically a slap on the wrist in a sense of what happened here, because technically the story is opposite. I never touched a gun, never held a gun. No one seen me with a gun. I just Said, those are mine. I did that shit. I was just standing on business. So the fact that. That you pulled yours out, the gun was pulled on me, technically, Right?

Big Cat (133:13)

Yeah.

Memes (133:13)

So the fact that, you know, everyone thinks I pulled it on you, I'm willing. I'm willing to let that narrative run because I know if we go to court, the real story can be told. Yeah. So that was kind of the only riff. After that, it was more, this is my little brother, man, and I'm gonna, you know, hang with him. So, you know, I used to. To, you know, text with him in jail, send him phones. Like, you know, we was. We was. We was, you know, behind the scenes, talking, you know, trying to keep him from, you know, going into that dark place, talk about basketball, you know. So from, you know, 10 years, it was more up there. Hey, man, how good is Boom, boom, boom? Like, we was always in the talks.

Big Cat (133:54)

Yeah. All right, I got one last question. This has been so much fun, Gil. We appreciate you coming on. You have great. You know, this, obviously, this Untold Story on Netflix, but everyone should go. Also listen to Gill's arena, your podcast, which is awesome. Roback question. R, H, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take last question. You gave Lamar Odom his payment for Big three while he was having sex.

Memes (134:29)

Yeah.

Big Cat (134:30)

Can you tell me. I don't understand that. That.

Memes (134:34)

Okay, so since I was the captain, right? I got the checks, handed them out. Oh, no. Everyone got their own check, but Lamar wasn't there yet, right? So, you know, I get word we're in Charlotte. So I don't know if he drove there. I don't know what happened, but I had his check. So I was like, yo, when you get to town, I got your check. Just hit me up. So I get a text. It was like, yo, I'm at the hotel, you around? I was like, yeah, I'm in my room. He was like, yeah, can you bring my check? Bet. All right. So I was like, what room you in? Gave me the room number. I go knock on the door, right? He literally, like, it wasn't, you know, like, creep the door open. I gotta hand it to him because this is the first time I meet Lamar. Yeah, this is the first time. I mean, I.

Big Cat (135:25)

Him.

Memes (135:25)

He swings the door open. Come on in.

Big Cat (135:29)

What?

Memes (135:29)

Naked? Like, oh, man. But before I, like, looked away, I see bent over, nice rack. I mean, nice back. So I had to, like, look Back. And then he just goes. She's bent over the bed. And he just starts going in. And I'm like. And he was like, yeah, yeah, just put the. Just put it right there. Here.

Big Cat (135:56)

How quickly did you get out of the room?

Memes (135:58)

Right? I didn't, I didn't move that fast. I mean, I had my eyes. It was. There was an eyes. I've never, like, I've been around some wild dudes. Never.

Big Cat (136:10)

That's crazy.

Memes (136:11)

Never seen, Never seen that. Like, that. Like, I'm like, lamar's wild.

Big Cat (136:17)

That's so funny.

Memes (136:18)

It even got. What? So, So I heard the story of game one one, which I'm like, okay, that makes it game one. They said after game one, I wasn't there, right? I had. I had court after game one, they said he has his phone. He's in his shower watching porn. Like, he said. They said, yo, he's watching it like it's a Netflix series. He just sitting there, just. Yeah, man. Hey, how y' all think I did today?

Max (136:50)

Yeah.

Memes (136:51)

And then Rick Mahorin is talking to him and he's just sitting there like, hey, so do we still get paid? Yeah. No matter how we did. Oh, that's gravy. That's great. And he's just watching a full blown porn like it was regular tv. So when I heard the story, like, I'm like, nah, he can't be that wild until that, that, that right there.

Hank (137:16)

He's watched every porn on the Internet. Internet. He made that claim in like 2015. He'd seen every single porn.

Big Cat (137:21)

Yeah. He's a historian.

Memes (137:23)

I will say. I, I would believe it if you just finished playing a basketball game and you're in the shower and the first thing that you are watching is porn.

Hank (137:37)

He had to catch up on the new episodes.

Big Cat (137:38)

Yeah.

Hank (137:38)

You can't get by.

Big Cat (137:39)

Yeah. All right, well, Gil, thank you so much. We'll definitely have you back on, man. This was so much fun and we really appreciate your time.

Memes (137:45)

I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Me.

Hank (137:49)

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Big Cat (138:24)

Okay, let's wrap up. We got fire fest of the week. Let's start with Max. Max.

PFT Commenter (138:34)

Hey, guys. How we doing?

Hank (138:35)

Hey, doing good, Max.

Big Cat (138:36)

I thought we'd surprise you. Surprise. Hank. He's not so happy to hear your voice.

Max (138:41)

Is this later tonight, or is this.

PFT Commenter (138:43)

Always happy to hear my voice?

Max (138:44)

Is this in real time?

Big Cat (138:45)

Yeah.

Memes (138:45)

What?

Big Cat (138:46)

What? So how you doing, Max? You have a fire fest this week?

PFT Commenter (138:50)

Yeah, I do have a fire fest. My fire fest of the week is time zones.

Hank (138:55)

Yes.

Big Cat (138:55)

Yeah, I.

PFT Commenter (138:57)

You know, I'm in Hawaii right now. I think it's about a six hour, maybe seven hour difference. I still don't know. I can't figure out the time zones out here, and I keep looking forward to watching Nick Seltzer Celtics every night or every night that they play, and somehow I just keep missing the games. Do you guys have any updates that.

Max (139:14)

You could give me of, like, what's.

PFT Commenter (139:15)

Going on with this series?

Hank (139:16)

I was thinking about you, Max, because you must be so far behind in Hawaii that it's still, like, early in the second halves there. So right now you're thinking the Celtics are winning.

Big Cat (139:25)

Yeah, up 20.

Hank (139:26)

Turns out they lost both games.

PFT Commenter (139:28)

No, they didn't. I. I'm pretty sure I saw that. They were up 20 in both of those games.

Big Cat (139:31)

Yeah, they were.

Max (139:32)

Well, hey, this bit is so bad that even Jerry o' Connell said it's. It's just for the record, you're gonna hear that tomorrow, but damn.

PFT Commenter (139:41)

Okay, all right. No, I get it. I get it, Hank. You're upset.

Hank (139:44)

I'm not.

Max (139:45)

That wasn't me saying that. That was Jerry o' Connell saying that.

PFT Commenter (139:47)

I guess. I guess that it's super embarrassing that Jason Tatum has now taken the crown of the worst playoff performer in the Eastern Conference.

Hank (139:55)

Oh, from who?

PFT Commenter (139:59)

Joel Embiid, for a long time was known as the worst Eastern Conference superstar to play in the playoffs, and Jason Tatum simply has worse playoff stats than Joel Embiid.

Hank (140:10)

And that's a fact. I mean, Max, this is one step that matters.

PFT Commenter (140:13)

You want to go look at him?

Max (140:14)

Oh, yeah, go look at the one.

Hank (140:18)

Go look at him.

Max (140:19)

That matters.

Big Cat (140:19)

All right, give us a sec. Is this the take that you were marinating on?

PFT Commenter (140:23)

Oh, yeah. Tatum is just as bad of a playoff performer as Joel would be there.

Hank (140:28)

This is so pathetic.

PFT Commenter (140:29)

Matt, that's. Back it up.

Big Cat (140:31)

All right. He just pulled the second computer. Max has two Computers out.

PFT Commenter (140:35)

That is correct.

Big Cat (140:36)

Go ahead, Max.

PFT Commenter (140:39)

Jason Tatum has 24 points per game. That's not bad on 43 shooting.

Max (140:47)

Not terrible.

PFT Commenter (140:49)

43 shooting is bad. Significantly worse than Joel embiid. He has 86 assists.

Big Cat (140:57)

And.

PFT Commenter (141:01)

This is eight rebounds.

Hank (141:02)

Okay, okay, 24, eight.

Max (141:05)

I'll sign up for that.

Big Cat (141:06)

All day. Five assists, eight rebounds, 24 rebounds.

PFT Commenter (141:10)

Joel and B, 25 points per game on 46 shooting. 11. 11 rebounds, four assists, two blocks.

Hank (141:17)

I have a question for Max Hank.

Max (141:19)

TFT.

Hank (141:20)

Yeah, Max, this is PFT commenter from part of my take. Which one of those two players has missed more playoff games?

PFT Commenter (141:27)

What does that mean?

Hank (141:28)

Oh, Hank.

Big Cat (141:29)

Yeah, Hank, do you want us to rephrase it? Dumb it down for you?

Max (141:32)

Okay, so I have an answer. Then I have a follow up question.

Hank (141:34)

Okay, Hank, same question.

Max (141:36)

The answer is. Those are just numbers.

PFT Commenter (141:38)

Those are numbers.

Big Cat (141:39)

You're is.

Hank (141:39)

You're doing numbers right now.

Max (141:41)

Numbers about head to head stats.

PFT Commenter (141:44)

There's number. That's a team, That's a team stat.

Max (141:47)

Got it.

Big Cat (141:47)

That's team stat. Now this is.

PFT Commenter (141:49)

We're looking at individual.

Big Cat (141:51)

What about players?

Max (141:52)

What about in elimination games?

Big Cat (141:54)

About in elimination games, time and time.

PFT Commenter (141:56)

Again, not showing up in the play.

Max (141:58)

What about an elimination? Elimination games. What about in elimination games, Max? Because that's what you need to show up the most.

PFT Commenter (142:04)

That actually, yeah, Jason Tatum had one good elimination game, which is even crazy that his overall stats are that bad with a 50 point game.

Max (142:13)

Okay, so multiple.

Hank (142:14)

What about Eastern Conference final stats? Head to head, like when it matters the most, you know, to get to the finals.

PFT Commenter (142:19)

What is that?

Hank (142:20)

Which guy has better numbers but all playoffs.

PFT Commenter (142:22)

Are you saying that all playoff games don't matter?

Hank (142:24)

No, I'm saying the Eastern Conference finals matter more than the first round.

PFT Commenter (142:27)

All playoff games don't matter. What about they all matter the same because to get to the Eastern Conference finals, you got to play well in the early games.

Big Cat (142:34)

What about you're terrible. What about. What about.

Max (142:36)

What about you came on the show for this?

Big Cat (142:38)

Yeah. What about the fact that Joel Embiid's a loser?

PFT Commenter (142:41)

What about the fact that Jason Tatum would also be a loser if he wasn't playing for the Celtics?

Hank (142:45)

No, that's a good point. Jason Tatum would be a loser if he wasn't a champion. Champion.

Big Cat (142:50)

That's true.

PFT Commenter (142:51)

Max played horribly in that championship and was carried by the rest of his team.

Hank (142:55)

I hate that you're making us defend Hank and Jason Tatum.

Memes (142:58)

Right?

Big Cat (142:58)

Here's what's happened. Here's what's happened.

PFT Commenter (143:01)

I am simply just Reading the facts that they have the exact same numbers.

Big Cat (143:05)

This is what's happening.

PFT Commenter (143:06)

Hank went numbers for numbers with the Thunder and the Celtics going into this series. All I'm doing is doing the same thing of numbers for numbers between Joel Embiid and Jason Tate, him in the playoffs.

Big Cat (143:17)

Here's what's happen for numbers.

PFT Commenter (143:18)

That's what he. That's what he kept saying.

Max (143:19)

What's the game's played number.

PFT Commenter (143:21)

What. What do the numbers say?

Max (143:22)

I'm. I'm just curious. I'm asking what. How many games has Tatum played versus Embiid?

Big Cat (143:29)

He's looking it up. Second computer. This is unfortunate because this is. Unfortunately, Max is having a great time in Hawaii. He's sitting on the beach. I would.

Max (143:39)

He's doing his Come on the show from Hawaii, I'll say that.

Big Cat (143:42)

Right? We know that.

Max (143:43)

That.

Big Cat (143:44)

But here's the problem, Max, this sounds like a take. You said. You texted us last night. You said, I got a take. I'm marinating on. And this is one of those takes.

PFT Commenter (143:53)

I wanted a couple days of marinate on this take, to be fair.

Big Cat (143:56)

Yeah, I was.

PFT Commenter (143:56)

I thought I had to. I had to bring it out.

Big Cat (143:58)

Yeah. So this is unfortunately one of those takes you've been marinating on. But usually when you marinate on a take, you'll at least do a trial balloon to me and pft, and we'll be like, hey, Max, this is probably the dumbest thing you could say, and it really is going to make you look stupid.

Memes (144:12)

And then you win.

Big Cat (144:12)

Won't say the take. Unfortunately, we're not around, and this isn't going well.

PFT Commenter (144:19)

Why you haven't given me any response other than other than that he's played more games.

Hank (144:26)

The fact of the matter is that Jason Tatum just won an NBA title.

PFT Commenter (144:30)

Last year, but he played badly in that finals.

Hank (144:33)

Jason, listen, I'm not saying he actually didn't play that. I'm not saying that Jason Tatum has.

PFT Commenter (144:37)

Had like, then Joel Embiid hasn't played that badly either. They have the same numbers.

Hank (144:42)

It's. This is a tough, tough, tough argument.

Big Cat (144:44)

Why?

PFT Commenter (144:45)

Why?

Hank (144:46)

Jason Tatum literally won a championship last year.

Big Cat (144:48)

Yeah, he's got.

Max (144:50)

They're also going to win the series. That's where it's like, you're just won.

PFT Commenter (144:52)

A championship last year. Okay, The Boston Celtics won a championship last year. Jason Tatum is a part of the Boston Celtics, but he is not the entire team.

Hank (145:01)

Max, this take would be perfect if you. If you let it marinate for a little bit longer. Longer. Let it soak A couple more overnights, and if. If the Celtics get swept by the Knicks, then you could come over top with some of these stats, and then you could be like, it's a. What have you done for me lately? This is a taste, and it would be good.

Max (145:17)

Series was over.

Hank (145:18)

Yeah, it's a series over.

Max (145:19)

Series is not.

Hank (145:20)

You know what it is.

PFT Commenter (145:21)

To be fair, I did say I wanted to marinate over a couple days, and then I was asked to go, and then I was asked to bring the take today.

Hank (145:27)

Max gets a. Max gets a.

Max (145:28)

You said you brought up to take yourself.

Big Cat (145:30)

What would. Two days.

Max (145:31)

You want to. Come on.

Memes (145:32)

Yeah.

Max (145:32)

Yes.

Big Cat (145:32)

What would two days says?

Max (145:34)

No, I'm on vacation.

Big Cat (145:36)

Nope. All right.

Hank (145:38)

Max gets a villainova pope, and all of a sudden he thinks that he's infallible, too. Feeling yourself, Max?

PFT Commenter (145:44)

The numbers are the numbers. That's all. All I wanted to do was bring up numbers.

Big Cat (145:48)

All right. Do you have a fire fest?

PFT Commenter (145:50)

Yes. Time zones, I think.

Big Cat (145:51)

Oh, yeah.

Hank (145:52)

Time z.

Memes (145:53)

The game.

Big Cat (145:53)

How has Hawaii been?

Max (145:55)

And just walk.

PFT Commenter (145:56)

You have to walk, actually. Incredible.

Big Cat (145:58)

Let's.

PFT Commenter (145:58)

Let's get a view from my room over here.

Big Cat (146:00)

Here.

Max (146:00)

Breaking. Let's get it.

Big Cat (146:02)

Let's get a room view. So salty. I love it. Oh, that's a pretty. Pretty nice view, Max.

Hank (146:08)

Yeah, it is good.

PFT Commenter (146:09)

There's. There's some turtles that go down in that little corner right there. I don't know if you can see my finger. There's some turtles. Every morning I come out and I just go out and look at the turtles for a little bit. Mr. Pears, all of his grand grandfathers and ancestors, they're all just hanging. They're just hanging out. Vibes are hot. I, people. I actually, people are just coming up. I wouldn't have even known about Celtics nicks unless the people that were in this resort were just so excited to tell me that the Celtics just keep blowing leads.

Big Cat (146:43)

Yeah. You said you text us last night that you stopped watching the game when they were up 20, and then someone came up to you at the pool and was like, hey, did you see that?

PFT Commenter (146:51)

Yeah, I know. I, it was. I actually didn't believe it. I thought someone was looking at a, a box score from the game before. I was like, there's no way that this actually happened twice.

Hank (147:01)

It's been pretty crazy, Max. They just keep shooting threes, and they keep missing.

Big Cat (147:05)

Oh, man.

PFT Commenter (147:06)

I, I, I don't understand. I don't understand what's happening. Wait, didn't Hank say that they were only gonna lose? What was the Number two and a half before the finals.

Big Cat (147:14)

Two and a half.

PFT Commenter (147:15)

Y. Oh, that's an over, right, Cash?

Big Cat (147:18)

Yeah, it's Cassie over.

PFT Commenter (147:19)

Matt, you can catch that. Over. And we're not even halfway there yet. Okay.

Hank (147:23)

Hank also said, though, that if they went down O2 in the series, he wouldn't be worried, so he's not worried. But then he was a little bit worried. But then he's not worried again.

PFT Commenter (147:30)

He did tweet after that game that he was worried.

Max (147:33)

Yeah, no, I updated it.

Big Cat (147:34)

Yeah, Update has been worried. All right, well, we miss you, Max. Are you gonna get us some. Some gifts?

PFT Commenter (147:42)

I already got most of them. Oh, I already have some for everyone, but I'm. I'm getting. I'm. I'm coming back with. With extras.

Big Cat (147:49)

Did you get me a titty mug? Did you get memes?

PFT Commenter (147:54)

To be determined.

Big Cat (147:55)

Okay, what about, like, don't. Don't spoil the gifts, but is there a chance I'm getting another pope bobblehead?

PFT Commenter (148:04)

To be determined.

Big Cat (148:05)

Okay. All right.

Hank (148:06)

So those are both nos.

Big Cat (148:07)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (148:08)

Nova Pope. Put your V's up.

Hank (148:12)

Vatican.

PFT Commenter (148:13)

No one knows how good what this means for recruiting. You literally don't know. It's never been done before.

Big Cat (148:18)

That's true. That's true. That's. That's very true. All right, Max, we miss you. We'll see you Sunday night.

PFT Commenter (148:25)

Yes, for sure. I'll be there Sunday night. Jason Tatum, Joel Embiid. Same playoff performers.

Big Cat (148:31)

Okay.

Hank (148:32)

Same. Exact, same.

Big Cat (148:33)

Thanks, Max. All right, that was our good friend Max. He's gonna be back on Sunday. Hank, how did you think that went for him?

Max (148:39)

Bad.

Big Cat (148:40)

Yeah.

Hank (148:40)

Does that put a smile on your face?

Big Cat (148:42)

Yeah, that actually. That actually had the reverse effect where it's like, Max came on here, thought he had, you know, discovered the nuclear atom, and it was just like. But Tatum's won a title.

Max (148:53)

I mean, it's good. Like, as his boss, it's a good thing to file for, like, the. The end of year reviews, like, get better at vacations, because that's just horrible performance.

Hank (149:03)

He is bad at vacations. Yes, I agree.

Big Cat (149:05)

Yeah, he seems like he's having fun.

Hank (149:06)

He's a quantity over quality. He's kind of like the Celtics. Takes a lot of shots. Adam misses.

Big Cat (149:10)

Yeah. Hank, do you have a firefight?

Max (149:13)

Yeah, I do. When I was flying to Arizona, you. You guys know I fall asleep on planes. I also have had a history of getting a little woozy on flights, and this one was. This one was bad. I. I fell asleep on the way there, and. And I kind of came To. As we were. You know, the. The pilot comes on. It's like we're starting the descent, and there was some turbulence, and as I was waking up, I was, like, sweating. Like, I. I felt nauseous, and I couldn't get up, and so I had to hit the thing a bunch and ask, you know, there was no barf bag in my seat.

Big Cat (149:54)

Okay.

Max (149:55)

And so by the time the flight attendant came over, she handed me a bag, but it was like, 50. Like, I legitimately projectiled what into this bag. It was, like, all liquid. Like, it was just all.

Big Cat (150:10)

You puked on a flight.

Max (150:11)

Yeah.

Hank (150:12)

And you only. You only got half of it in.

Max (150:14)

I. Yeah. And, like, I had my sweatshirt.

Big Cat (150:16)

Oh, Hank.

Max (150:17)

And a ton got on my sweatshirt. And the guy next to me, I was like, this guy must think I'm an absolute creature.

Hank (150:22)

Did you hit that guy? He was.

Max (150:25)

There was a. There was a seat in between us, so he didn't get anything on him. But it was. It's just a disgusting. It's a terrible spot to be in. You feel like a mutant, and there's nothing you can really do or say other than sorry.

Hank (150:38)

Yeah.

Max (150:38)

And I had just woke. I was. I was super discombobulated, and I felt gross, and it was gross, and it was gross. That was my firefight.

Big Cat (150:45)

Oh, hey, that's pretty bad. That's really bad.

Hank (150:48)

Did you say I'm sorry to the guy?

Max (150:50)

I said I'm sorry to the guy. I said I'm sorry to the flight attendant person in front of me. It was. You know, they're all nice, like, oh, don't worry about it. But it was gross.

Big Cat (150:57)

Oh, man. Hank, that's crazy.

Hank (150:59)

One time, Hank did that next to me on a flight. He had just had a gogurt. We took off, and, yeah, it. It got a little bit on my arm.

Big Cat (151:07)

It was like, baby puke.

Hank (151:08)

Yeah. It was kind of adorable. I just started patting him on the back, said, they're there.

Big Cat (151:13)

What happened?

Max (151:15)

I don't know. I. I think I just gotten. There was just turbulence in life.

Big Cat (151:20)

That's just like. Yeah, that's straight savage mode. Just puke on a flesh flight.

Max (151:23)

I know. It's. It's. It's mutant mode.

Hank (151:26)

I feel like people used to do that a lot more frequently because they used to have the barf bags everywhere.

Max (151:30)

Yeah.

Hank (151:31)

Now you gotta ask for one.

Max (151:32)

I know.

Hank (151:32)

That's how they get you. The airline's cutting back.

Max (151:35)

Yeah, it was. It was. But there's nothing. There was nothing because I couldn't have gotten up it was.

Big Cat (151:39)

Were you first class?

Max (151:40)

I was southwest, so I was.

Big Cat (151:41)

Okay.

Max (151:42)

I was in the first section.

Big Cat (151:44)

Okay.

Hank (151:45)

Nice.

Memes (151:46)

Brutal.

Big Cat (151:46)

Hank, it's been a bad week.

Max (151:49)

Really bad week. I blame most of this on Barcelona.

Big Cat (151:52)

Yeah, that's true.

Hank (151:54)

You're beloved Barcelona. So when we're recording the. The sound that you heard where Hank got really upset that they were losing, and the moaning, groaning. Hank didn't realize that there were two periods in extra time. So Hank got up to leave, and they're like, no, Hank, you can come back and watch. There's more soccer. And then you got pumped and. Yeah, nothing really happened.

Max (152:12)

Yeah, I don't think I can watch soccer ever again.

Big Cat (152:14)

Oh, wow.

Hank (152:15)

Great game by Inner's goalie, though.

Big Cat (152:16)

That was an awesome soccer game.

Max (152:18)

The kid. I didn't realize that the Barcelona's best player was 17. That kid is unbelievable.

Big Cat (152:23)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was tough. It's. It's just not been your week. No. Try again next week.

Max (152:29)

Yeah.

Big Cat (152:30)

Okay. Pft. Your fire fest.

Hank (152:32)

I had a pretty good week this week, so I can't really complain about too much, but I did have one thing that happened to me earlier today. I think a lot of people can identify with it. It's a minor thing, but it's. It felt bad at the time. I took a dump. And while I took a dump, I forgot to bring my phone with me into the bathroom. I don't know if you guys have experienced that recently.

Big Cat (152:54)

Yeah, that sucks.

Hank (152:55)

It is the worst. Yeah, it is the word. It could ruin your day.

Big Cat (152:58)

Yeah. Because you just sit there and you're like, well, what now what?

Hank (153:00)

I just sat there and. And I thought I was alone with my thoughts for about seven minutes. And it's a shocking thing in today's day and age. I was looking for stuff to read. The dude wipes ingredients box.

Big Cat (153:11)

Maybe songs to listen to.

Hank (153:14)

Like in my own head.

Big Cat (153:15)

Yeah.

Hank (153:16)

No, I wasn't singing along to any songs in my own head.

Big Cat (153:18)

Okay, nice. But you just. Yeah, you sit there with your own.

Hank (153:21)

I was humming a little bit. I was humming at the time. I forget. I forget the name of it.

Big Cat (153:26)

Yeah, it's tough when you get a song.

Hank (153:28)

When you get a song, you gotta.

Big Cat (153:30)

Sing it to get it out of you.

Hank (153:31)

No, you. Not always. Not Sometimes you just have to hope that it'll get out of there because you don't really, really, really don't want to sing the lyrics to this song. Although musically, from a. A melody standpoint, it's a good melody, but the lyrics are like the worst lyrics that you could possibly write right. Ever. Maybe the worst lyric. Maybe the worst things anyone's ever said ever.

Big Cat (153:51)

Yeah.

Hank (153:52)

But the melody. The melody can get stuck in your head.

Big Cat (153:55)

It's hard when it's a catchy tune.

Hank (153:56)

Yeah.

Max (153:57)

Yeah. At least the title wasn't something where you're like, yeah, probably why even listen to this in the first place?

Big Cat (154:01)

Right?

Hank (154:02)

I forget the name of the title to this. To the track. I'll be honest. Yeah. I've forgotten everything about the lyrics to that at that. This point. But no, you start to, like, think about, can I read the. The shampoo bottle? Can I read, like, is there anything with words on it in the bathroom that I can read to. To just make this faster? But yeah, it was something that happened to us when we were kids. A lot more. If there. You didn't have it like a magazine or something in there.

Big Cat (154:26)

Yeah. It would just be magazines in there. And. Yeah. And if you're. You're screwed. And you don't have magazine, you're just like, all right, well, this sucks.

Hank (154:31)

Yeah. Kids these days don't know the struggle.

Big Cat (154:33)

No, they don't.

Hank (154:34)

They don't.

Max (154:34)

I mean, that's. That's Rick Riley and Bill Simmons. I feel like that's.

Hank (154:37)

Yeah.

Max (154:38)

A majority of their fan base is.

Big Cat (154:40)

Is pure illustry. Yeah.

Hank (154:42)

Like 90% of Rick Riley articles were read to while there was poop coming out somebody's butt easily.

Big Cat (154:49)

Do you guys ever.

Hank (154:49)

Highest compliment you can give. Give an author.

Big Cat (154:51)

You get caught to not taking a dump. But, like, if you're bored eating breakfast, you just end up reading the back of the cereal box.

Hank (154:58)

Oh, yeah, that.

Big Cat (154:59)

That always sucked. That was always. That always felt bad.

Hank (155:02)

The funniest was the part of this complete breakfast. And it was like 10 items in the complete breakfast.

Big Cat (155:07)

Yeah.

Hank (155:08)

Like three glasses of orange juice. Then you had the cereal with the milk. Then you had like a brand muffin on the side. Then you had yogurt. It was like, yeah, if you eat all this together, it's a full breakfast.

Big Cat (155:18)

Yeah. I got a. I bought Lucky Charms for myself myself on Tuesday. 24 hours.

Hank (155:26)

That's pretty impressive. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Max (155:28)

Full box of cereal is a great.

Big Cat (155:30)

I just. I crushed it. It was. It was a two. It was a night in a morning.

Hank (155:35)

I finished my Honey Nuts this morning. Oh, Honey Nut Cheerios. The Goat Breakfast.

Memes (155:39)

I got them.

Big Cat (155:39)

I got them on deck all the time. I got a backup.

Hank (155:42)

I figured out a way to make them even a little bit better.

Big Cat (155:44)

What do you got?

Hank (155:45)

So I got.

Max (155:45)

I'm A dessert cereal guy.

Big Cat (155:47)

Yeah.

Hank (155:47)

Like the Rice Krispies treat squares. No, no.

Big Cat (155:50)

You're saying, like, actually, after dinner, you eat cereal?

Memes (155:52)

Yeah.

Hank (155:52)

Yes.

Big Cat (155:53)

That's great.

Hank (155:54)

It's dessert soup.

Big Cat (155:55)

Yeah.

Hank (155:55)

So I. I got a frother a few months ago, and I've been frothing everything.

Big Cat (155:59)

Okay.

Hank (156:00)

Which it's. It's kind of addictive. I just take stuff out of my fridge and I'm like, will this froth? And I try to froth it. Most things do froth. I froth my cereal. Milk the other day, it was delightful.

Max (156:11)

It was like a little.

Hank (156:12)

Little mousse cereal.

Big Cat (156:13)

That is nice.

Hank (156:13)

Yeah, it was great.

Big Cat (156:14)

That is nice. I've been doing. Trying to get healthier. Well, this leads into my fire festival. Been. You know, we're reassessing after the kidney stones.

Max (156:22)

Doing what the Lucky Charms is. After this reassessment.

Hank (156:27)

It's part of.

Big Cat (156:27)

Yes. The timeline gets a little blurry. Got it. The timeline gets a little blurry. But I have been eating Cheerios and bananas.

Max (156:35)

That's good.

Big Cat (156:36)

Yeah. But. Yeah, no sugar.

Max (156:39)

Okay. That's good.

Hank (156:40)

Honey. Nuts are standard.

Big Cat (156:41)

Standard. Yeah. I feel like that's the pinnacle of health is being like, I'm just gonna eat these standard yellow box Cheerios.

Hank (156:47)

Raw dogging. Cheerios.

Big Cat (156:48)

Yeah.

Memes (156:49)

Yeah.

Big Cat (156:49)

That's. You can't get healthier than that. I'm sure I'm probably already back. I am, though. Did have a. The reassessment of the health is ongoing. Wednesday, though, I went with Eddie to do a video. We went to the Vienna beef factory hot dog factory. And I ate, like, 10 hot dogs. Great people, awesome time. But that's for work. I basically just like, remade a new kidney stone.

Hank (157:19)

Yeah. I mean, what goes in hot dogs? Probably all healthy stuff. Right.

Big Cat (157:22)

Listen, I told Eddie when in the video will come out. I told Eddie when we go into this factory, if I see something I don't like, I'm leaving because I don't want to have. I love hot dogs. I don't want them ruined. For me, was totally fine. Everything was. Everything looked good. Got to see how the sausage gets made. But yeah, I. That was a. That was a problem for me that I. I ate that many hot dogs two days after I passed the kidney stone.

Hank (157:47)

That's fine. You'll probably be fine.

Big Cat (157:48)

It was a lot of hot dogs.

Hank (157:49)

The best time to eat a hot dog or anything bad for you is right after you get rid of a kidney stone.

Big Cat (157:53)

That's true. There's a guy. There's at the Vienna Beef and like, I Said Eddie's gonna put out the video. But 10:30 every day, they just test hot dogs in the kitchen.

Hank (158:01)

I like that.

Big Cat (158:02)

So I walked up there and there was just hot dogs. And they're like, here, have as many as you want.

Hank (158:05)

Instead of a smoke break, you get a wiener break. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (158:08)

I was eating chili. I was eating potato soup as well. I had six cups of soup.

Hank (158:13)

Wait, that was part of the hot dog bread. So it's a hot dog. Chili and potato soup.

Big Cat (158:18)

Yeah, they have different stuff. I had a hot dog that isn't even released to the public.

Hank (158:22)

I guess if you. If you work at a hot dog place, it's probably going to smell pretty bad in there. So they don't. They don't mind if you just fart all the time.

Big Cat (158:29)

It was the opposite. It smelled delicious.

Hank (158:30)

Did it really?

Big Cat (158:31)

Cuz you got to also remember Vienna beef. They're doing like, pastrana gummies. Smoked briskets. Like, it smelled incredible. The smokehouse.

Hank (158:38)

Yeah.

Big Cat (158:38)

Seeing where the hot dogs go and get smoked. Oh, it smelled so good. Yeah.

Hank (158:42)

That sounds like a great trip.

Big Cat (158:43)

Yeah. And that's why we got the dick right here. That was why Eddie's mission was to get that. So pretty. Pretty big. Pretty big day.

Hank (158:49)

Love that.

Memes (158:50)

Yeah.

Big Cat (158:51)

All right, memes, you got a fire fest.

Hank (158:54)

I had a great week.

Big Cat (158:55)

Okay. Yeah.

Hank (158:56)

This was like top.

Big Cat (158:57)

Top 10 weeks. Is that because Max isn't here? No. But you got the number one pick. Knicks have just shocked its Celtics twice. Yeah. Mets are a wagon. And Max Justin Field is going to eventually win a Super bowl. And none of the Georgia players have gotten any driving violations, so great week.

Hank (159:13)

It's pretty cool. What about last night?

Big Cat (159:17)

No, can't think of any.

Hank (159:19)

Can't think of a single thing. Can't think of a single thing. I did get to see Shane wearing his batting gloves last night.

Big Cat (159:23)

Yeah, it's shocking.

Hank (159:25)

Yeah, it was very shocking. And even more shocking is that he takes them off to play first base.

Big Cat (159:29)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got. We got. We got smoked. Smoked. I was upset I wasn't able to attend, but I did say before the season started that I was not going to be there for any six, 30 games. I had to. I told my wife. I was like, I'm not home a lot. And to be like, hey, I'm not going to be home for softball.

Hank (159:47)

Yeah.

Big Cat (159:47)

Was felt. And it's like, hey, are we videoing this? No. Hank did softball.

Hank (159:52)

Hank did a fine job pitching.

Big Cat (159:53)

Yeah.

Max (159:54)

Yeah. We just. Too many unearned runs.

Big Cat (159:56)

It.

Max (159:57)

It happens. And this isn't really a knock. I. I respect the hustle. A little bit of a try hard move, but PFT's team was there an hour and a half early. They got a full bp. I showed up there doing situational plays. Each player probably hit.

Big Cat (160:12)

Listen, they won. You can't criticize it.

Max (160:14)

I'm saying I had tip. It's like, yeah, we're never gonna try that hard.

Hank (160:18)

I took. I think I took 10 swings.

Big Cat (160:19)

Yeah, well, if we.

Hank (160:21)

I did take 10 swings.

Big Cat (160:22)

If we don't mean the playoffs, we should. We should schedule a game with. When Max and I can play. Play. So I did miss playing, but I also. Again, 6:30 is a very early time. That's a witching hour in my house. It was great.

Hank (160:34)

Also, to be fair to Hank, he was probably thinking about the Celtics.

Big Cat (160:38)

Yeah. But at that point, they were. We had a tv. We had a TV on our.

Max (160:41)

Yeah, I was home by.

Hank (160:42)

I was calling out scores to Hank. Just let him know I wasn't even trolling him. I was like, celtics are crushing the Knicks. There's no chance that they lose. I didn't think that they were going to lose.

Max (160:49)

Me neither.

Big Cat (160:50)

No.

Hank (160:50)

Yeah.

Big Cat (160:50)

No. All right. Memes. But, like, 1% of that is because Max isn't here, right? No, I like having Max around. Oh, you do? Yeah, he's cool. He zones out a lot, but he's cool. He does zone out. He's. He's got add. It's a problem when he goes on his phone. It's like severance.

Hank (161:12)

He's looking at campus cuties.

Big Cat (161:13)

Yeah. You're like, why aren't you looking this up on his computer phone?

Hank (161:16)

Hank, who were you talking about specifically when you said unearned runs?

Max (161:21)

I mean, our team had, like, five errors.

Big Cat (161:22)

Oh.

Max (161:23)

So.

Hank (161:23)

Yeah.

Max (161:23)

Not the best. Any one of them.

Big Cat (161:25)

Yeah, not the best.

Hank (161:26)

No one in particular.

Big Cat (161:28)

Listen, a lot of season left.

Max (161:29)

The guys that made errors.

Big Cat (161:30)

2 and 2. A lot of season left.

Max (161:32)

Yeah.

Hank (161:33)

Yeah.

Big Cat (161:34)

Hopefully we play in the playoffs. That'd be awesome.

Hank (161:36)

It'd be great.

Memes (161:37)

Yeah.

Big Cat (161:38)

All right, numbers three, six.

Max (161:42)

Celtics.

Hank (161:42)

And six.

Big Cat (161:42)

And six. What was your last number of memes? 14. 13. 13. 13. I'll go 13.

Hank (161:52)

I'm gonna take 61.

Big Cat (161:58)

99, 73.

Hank (162:04)

21, 75.

Big Cat (162:09)

75 memes. Not even close. Not even close to close. So far away. Nixon.

Hank (162:18)

Love you guys.

Big Cat (164:20)

Sa.