Jon Gruden In Studio, NFL Week 11 Picks And Preview, Eagles Beat Commanders + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take: Jon Gruden In Studio, NFL Week 11 Picks And Preview, Eagles Beat Commanders + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Hosts: Big Cat, PFT Commenter, and Hank
Special Guest: Jon Gruden

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with the usual banter between Big Cat and PFT Commenter, setting a lighthearted and humorous tone. They briefly touch on a humorous McDonald's meal deal before transitioning into the main content.

Special Guest: Jon Gruden

At [02:41], Big Cat introduces Jon Gruden as their newest coworker in the studio. Gruden, a Super Bowl champion and renowned NFL coach, shares his excitement about joining the podcast:

Jon Gruden [106:22]: "I'm excited about it. I know I got a long way to go and a lot to prove, but with your help. Yeah, I know I can."

Gruden expresses his enthusiasm for being part of the "Pardon My Take" team and looks forward to contributing his extensive NFL experience.

NFL Week 11 Picks and Preview

The hosts dive into their NFL Week 11 picks and previews, discussing various matchups with detailed analysis and lively debate.

Key Games Discussed

1. Bills vs. Chiefs

   • Pat Mahomes is highlighted for his consistent excellence.
   • Jon Gruden [130:33]: "Patrick Mahomes is an underdog. The one thing that makes me bullish on the Bills here."

2. Eagles vs. Commanders

   • An in-depth analysis of the Commanders' aggressive coaching decisions under Dan Quinn.
   • PFT Commenter [05:24]: "Feel like the haters might be right."

3. Ravens vs. Steelers

   • A tight contest with discussions on the Ravens' offensive prowess and Steelers' pass rushing capabilities.
   • Memes [30:21]: "This is a pervert stat. It's the what if NFL standings have been released."

4. Bears vs. Packers

   • Criticism of the Bears' offensive strategies and praise for the Packers' performance.
   • Jon Gruden [38:59]: "There's a butterfly effect."

5. Raiders vs. Dolphins

   • Conversation about the Raiders' offensive strategies and Dolphins' quarterback choices.
   • Jon Gruden [47:03]: "I love what Cliff Kingsbury has done."

6. Colts vs. Jets

   • Focus on defensive struggles and quarterback performance for the Jets.
   • Jon Gruden [52:49]: "The quarterbacks they've played have not been great."

7. Seahawks vs. Niners

   • Analysis of both teams' strengths, with Gruden praising the 49ers' quarterback Brock Purdy.
   • Jon Gruden [116:07]: "They are a legit team, and it feels like they have everything clicking."

Notable Quotes

• Jon Gruden [110:05]: "Now they change coaches every year or two and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts."
• Big Cat [13:11]: "Jake Elliot has enough in his history. He's given the benefit of a doubt."
• Memes [30:44]: "This is the week fight fans have been waiting for."

Eagles Beat Commanders: In-Depth Breakdown

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the Eagles' victory over the Commanders. The hosts discuss quarterback Jaden Daniels' performance, highlighting his struggles as a rookie:

PFT Commenter [11:10]: "Jaden Daniels is just a rookie and that's something that you have seen a lot when he has played good defenses."

They also commend the Eagles' defensive line and overall team performance:

Memes [08:09]: "Eagles defense line. And their linebackers played outstanding."

Fantasy Football Picks and Analysis

The hosts share their fantasy football picks, often interspersed with humor and self-deprecation regarding their own performance:

• Jon Gruden [125:02]: "He is a unique talent. And he needs support from his coach and the blue chip leaders on the team."
• Hank [151:43]: "I'm going through stages of cope right now."

Fyre Fest Of The Week

A recurring segment where the hosts highlight notable events, controversies, or memorable moments from the week.

Interview with Jon Gruden

A substantial segment features an interview with Jon Gruden, delving into his coaching philosophy, experiences, and observations on the current NFL landscape.

Highlights from the Interview

• Coaching Philosophy:

  Jon Gruden [120:34]: "You have to have mental toughness, and I think you have to have a real bond..."

• Future of NFL Coaching:

  Jon Gruden [121:12]: "You know, that's a great point. You got to have people who can keep the system alive if your coordinator leaves."

• Player Development:

  Jon Gruden [125:02]: "Watching that game last week, that was the best single game played this year by a quarterback, in my opinion."

• Chargers' Transformation:

  Jon Gruden [136:07]: "They have an excellent offensive line. They got a one, two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable."

• Personal Anecdotes: Gruden shares stories from his coaching days, including experiences with legendary players like Brett Favre.

Jon Gruden [133:02]: "But Gruden, you know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old fashioned National Football League way. I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about here in December."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with casual discussions about personal lives, midlife crises, and lighthearted interactions among the hosts. They wrap up with final thoughts on upcoming games and future episodes.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jon Gruden on Coaching Consistency [110:05]:

  "Now they change coaches every year or two and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts."

• Big Cat on Eagles' Kicker [13:11]:

  "Jake Elliot has enough in his history."

• Jon Gruden on Resiliency and Team Bonding [122:04]:

  "You have to have mental toughness, and I think you have to have a real bond..."

• Jon Gruden on Chargers' Defense [136:07]:

  "They have an excellent offensive line. They got a one, two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable."

• Gruden on Legacy [123:48]:

  Big Cat: "I don't believe in the word legacy. I just think that's another word for ego."

  Jon Gruden: "Legacy doesn't mean nothing to me. I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and it's gonna be over."

• Interview Segment with Jon Gruden [143:14]:

  Jon Gruden: "You know, I think the great teams, the teams that come out of it are the teams that love the misery. And we used to talk about that. Don't you love that? We're all beat up, we're tired, we're a ten point underdog. We got to go on the road. Our dog just shit in our yard."

Final Thoughts

"Pardon My Take" successfully blends insightful sports analysis with humor and engaging conversations. The inclusion of Jon Gruden adds depth and expertise, making the episode both entertaining and informative for listeners, whether they're long-time fans or new to the podcast.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, notable quotes, and the dynamic interactions among the hosts and their special guest, Jon Gruden.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon music.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

A lot of money.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Jon Gruden]

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[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

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[Jon Gruden]

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[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

Bernie Madoff, Sam Bankman, Fried. The 2020 election. The 2024 Washington Commanders.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, you can't do that this quickly.

[Memes]

Feel like the haters might.

[Hank]

What do all those things have in common?

[Big Cat]

Frauds, he's saying.

[Memes]

Yeah, sometimes the haters are right. When the haters are right, you got to say, great job, haters. I'm. If nothing, I'm consistent about congratulating the haters. I don't want to say that we're fully frauds yet, but.

[Big Cat]

No, you're not. That's a tough division.

[Memes]

And also the Commanders being frauds. Nobody expect anything out of them, so it's hard to say that they're fraud. However, tonight gave me some deeper concerns than I thought that a loss would give me. No, some deeper. Not necessarily about being a fraud, but I'll tell you a couple things that gave me pause. Number one, what are you laughing at, Hank, you piece of shit. You asshole. You fucking dickhead.

[Hank]

Apologize. I was rude.

[Memes]

Why are you laughing already, you piece of shit?

[Hank]

It's.

[Memes]

It's.

[Big Cat]

I'm laughing at Hank's laugh.

[Memes]

I know, I know.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's like when someone dies, you accidentally laugh. Like you don't mean to laugh. That was. That was a. That was unnecessary, and I apologize.

[Big Cat]

You die. You. You laugh when people die.

[Hank]

I don't. But, like, you know what?

[Big Cat]

Sounds like you do.

[Hank]

No. Like, maybe when I found your TV show or something. Whatever. I'm sorry.

[Big Cat]

A movie or a TV show where.

[Hank]

Like, someone or someone says something really, like, sad or like, Something like.

[Big Cat]

Are you talking about enthusiasm?

[Hank]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Memes]

Like Bare Naked Ladies. I'm the kind of guy who laughs at a funeral.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It had nothing to do with Jaden Daniels.

[Memes]

You shut the up. You're not talking yet, Max. Oh, God. I'm gonna talk over.

[Big Cat]

Now I'm laughing at pft. Not laughing at you, but laughing at your reaction.

[Memes]

Fat Italian. Here's the thing, the thing that gave me pause about this game. The coaching decisions.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Dan Quinn, when he, when he went for it. I'm actually okay with it.

[Big Cat]

I am too.

[Memes]

He's being aggressive. Yes. Three points gives you the lead in that case. And we're talking about the field goal that he kicked when he was down 10 to 12. Or didn't kick, did not kick. Elected to go forward on fourth down where it looked like the offensive line didn't have the right timing of the play. It was just a fumble, never went anywhere. Bad play, bad result. The process. I'm okay with going for it because for the first time tonight our offense looked good on that drive. And fuck it, let's just go and get two yards. We've done it before. We're pretty good on fourth down. That didn't give me pause as much as the offense. When we're down two scores at the end of the game and we burn up four minutes, I believe there's like five minutes left in the game. Burn up four minutes on the clock. We're running the ball. We're not calling timeouts. Running the ball, running the ball, throwing inside passes. It seemed like. I don't think that Cliff Kingsbury understands that 26 -10 is 16 and that 16 is a two score game.

[Big Cat]

16 divided by two is eight.

[Memes]

Now we've gone over this on the show. There's Some, there's some 16 point leads that look enormous, that look like they're much bigger than 16 points. 26 to 10 is a pretty easy one.

[Big Cat]

It's the easiest to comprehend.

[Memes]

It's the easiest to comprehend.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

It's not like you're skipping over two different sets of 10.

[Big Cat]

It's 26 minus 10 is 16.

[Memes]

Exactly. It's very easy. It looked like the players on the field knew that it was a two score game, but the plays that were being called, it didn't feel like the guy who was calling it knows that's a two score game. And here's what this gets at, is going back to Cliff's entire existence in the second half of seasons. So back at Texas Tech, here's his record as A head coach from 2013 to 2018, at the end of the season, lost five of six, lost four or six, lost four of six, lost six of eight, lost six of eight, lost five of five. At the Cardinals, he lost seven of his last nine. Then he lost five of his last seven. Then he lost five of his Last Six. Then he lost nine of his Last Ten. His offense looks completely different right now. We had Austin Eckler. That's pretty much it. Jaden Daniels. A lot of drops tonight. A lot of drops out there. But no, Jaden did not look good. He didn't look nearly as good as he. That was his worst game by far that he had tonight. Missed open guys, made some questionable decisions, felt timid on a few passes, didn't look particularly fast. Even I do want to give credit to the Eagles defensive line.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Eagles defense line.

[Big Cat]

That was the game.

[Memes]

And their linebackers played outstanding. And your secondary played pretty good too. The Eagles played very well tonight.

[Big Cat]

The 4th and 2. That you didn't go for the field goal, which I agreed with. That was the game. Because you had second and one and they stood up on three straight plays. Yeah, that was. That was phenomenal. That was.

[Memes]

That was great. And. And Big Cat, you brought it up during the broadcast. I. I've said it before, but Cliff, without the sunglasses, it's brutal. Listen, she's not hot. I more than anybody else understand that sometimes you look a lot better when you're wearing sunglasses all the time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He should. He should. He should keep the sunglasses on.

[Memes]

Looks like he got pink eye O.

[Big Cat]

Jaden Daniels didn't play well. But he's a rookie.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And he had. He had a bad rookie game. Who cares?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It doesn't. That was a tough divisional game. You said it before. I think we all knew it going in. The Eagles have a better roster.

[Memes]

They do.

[Big Cat]

Like that's just a fact. So it's not. To win that game would have been very difficult. You have the Cowboys, the Titans and the Saints coming up. You're still a Yoff's team. Yep.

[Hank]

So, you know, pick yourself up 1% chance yoffs.

[Memes]

Are we at on the machine or in my brain?

[Hank]

In your brain?

[Memes]

In my brain. 90 still high in the machine. Probably 76, I'm gonna guess.

[Big Cat]

Still high.

[Memes]

Oh, we're in the ops right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

70, 79. That was. That was really good.

[Memes]

But in my brain.

[Big Cat]

But we also haven't had the week 11 yet.

[Memes]

Yep. But can you if loss max. I apologize.

[PFT Commenter]

They do.

[Big Cat]

But what if the 49er oh, but what about the 49ers?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it's just like right now in this, in this moment, it was like it didn't change at all. It went from 80% to 79.

[Memes]

Max, I apologize for calling you fat Italian.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's fine. I deserve that.

[Memes]

Heat of the moment you jumped in.

[PFT Commenter]

I know. I deserve that. I deserve that.

[Memes]

But congratulations, Max. Eagles look great. They've. They've turned the season around. Yeah, I mean, Saquon Barkley is a problem. He's a real problem.

[Big Cat]

Max, from your perspective, break down this game because obviously you were nervous. Go. You're very nervous going into this game. You can tell when Max is nervous. He was like, he kind of like slapped me on the back at one point. Just kind of before, like this, like three hours before the game.

[Hank]

Kind of just knocked the football out of your hand.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Bouncing around like, you know, he was basically a little kid that needed like a weighted blanket for the last three hours before kickoff.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, I'm not good in the bright light.

[Big Cat]

I know. And you had Dave here, you had Groot here.

[PFT Commenter]

That was, that was a, that had Max loss written all over it.

[Big Cat]

So. So my question to you though is the game, the Eagles. I want to hear how you feel about the Eagles, but I also want you to hear how you feel about Jaden Daniels because you were nervous about Jaden Daniels and he has been very good this year and he's going to be in your division for a very long time. That was your first dance with him. Tell us where your head's at.

[PFT Commenter]

Jane Daniels will be a very good quarterback in this league. Jane Daniels is just, is still a rookie and that's something that I think was very evident tonight. I think it's something that you have seen a lot when he has played good defenses. It's back to back games against two top defenses and he's looked like a rookie quarterback. But that's okay because you expect that from a rookie quarterback to struggle against good defenses and to do well against bad defense. So going into this year, that's exactly what you want. But Jane Daniels, I don't think is as a rookie a Super bowl winning quarterback because no rookies are a Super bowl winning quarterback.

[Big Cat]

True. And I, I would still, by the way, I would still cut off a knot for that line. Jaden Daniels, 22 for 32, 191 yards, one touchdown, one interception. I would fucking. Don't forget if you told me that was Caleb's line on Sunday.

[Memes]

Don't forget about the drops.

[Big Cat]

Sign Me the fuck up.

[Memes]

Plus the drops.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How many of those yards were.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, a lot of those yards came in that garbage. That garbage time.

[Memes]

Yeah, I mean, it was. Well, the drive where we kicked the field, where we did not kick the field goal, that was a good drive too. And I wouldn't call that garbage time correct. So he got a lot of yards then. But that was.

[PFT Commenter]

No but I'm counting those yards. I'm. That's what, that's what I'm saying.

[Memes]

I'm not, I'm not going to say that Jayden Daniels played even an average game tonight. He played a bad game tonight. He was, he was all over the map. He missed a lot of easy throws.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a rookie quarterback.

[Memes]

Quarterback, quarterback. And I think he might be injured too. I'm not making excuses, but the drops and the injuries.

[Big Cat]

I said that before the game.

[Memes]

That's the story.

[Big Cat]

I said that. Like, you can tell he's not. He's a little more tentative to run the ball ever since the rib injury.

[Memes]

It was funny, though, watching the game with Coach Gruden.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Memes]

He saw Jaden warming up with a basketball and he was disgusted.

[Big Cat]

Disgusted.

[Memes]

What is this man playing basketball out here? Come on, get that man. A football man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was. Damn it.

[Memes]

This. This bitch. But in a good way.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man. So, Max, you're feeling good? Eagles are eating too. This is. I mean, the one seed.

[PFT Commenter]

No, we're taking it one game at a time. Really. Got it. Jake Elliot. I'm going to. Jake Elliot has enough in his history. He's given the benefit. Yeah. To give him the benefit of a doubt of like, this is just a one off game. If it happens again, then you, then you start to get worried. I'm like hovering over the panic button, but I'm not clicking the panic button on Jake Elliott yet.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

That was terrible. Realistically, the Eagles should have scored 35 points in this game.

[Memes]

Can you issue a statement to the city of Philadelphia and Eagles fans, how should they be treating Jake Elliott moving forward?

[PFT Commenter]

Treat him like, treat him the same from this game, but if he has one more bad game. Panic, panic.

[Big Cat]

The clip of him pacing the sidelines, double tapping his head. You never want to see that out of your kicker ever. That was bad.

[PFT Commenter]

That's like what I do. Yeah, that's like what I do when I'm like, I got to get myself right. And I for sure don't have the mentals to be an NFL kicker.

[Memes]

No, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

But I. It's good that we have a little Mini by now because it'll be even more time for him to get this game out of his head.

[Big Cat]

Yep. He can watch some. He can watch some games this weekend. Chill out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, also the one seed's not going to happen because the Lions schedule is significantly easier than.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we still are at Ravens and home against the Steelers at Commander.

[Big Cat]

Like, yeah, the Lions have the packers and the Bills at home and then the 49ers on the road. So I don't know, maybe, hey, 49ers on the road, but the two seed wouldn't be bad either.

[Memes]

Yeah, two seeds.

[Big Cat]

Good.

[PFT Commenter]

I would like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know you want the one seed.

[PFT Commenter]

I would like the one seed, but it's all right. We're just going to take it. We're on the next weekend, Sunday night against the Rams in la. That's a tough game.

[Big Cat]

That's a tough game.

[Memes]

I can't believe we lost the Shark Week game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I was very nervous because I bet the Eagles tonight and I was. When the first half happened and the commanders were up and the Eagles were missing every field goal and then the Amazon broadcast was like, yeah, Dan Quinn decided this was Shark Week and he's been just showing clips of shark attacks and Jaws like, this is Mike McCarthy smashing a watermelon all over again.

[Memes]

Yeah. The problem with shark and I think.

[Big Cat]

Dan Quinn was there for the smashing of the watermelon.

[Memes]

I think he was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So he learned it from.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So the Shark Week problem is that Dankwin as a boomer looks back fondly on Shark Week, back when Shark Week was good.

[Big Cat]

Also, don't think I would use Jaws for Shark Week because Jaws is an incredible movie, one of the best movies of all time. But who like to today's age, you watch Jaws and you're like, that's a fake shark.

[Memes]

Who wins though? Does the shark survive?

[Big Cat]

I don't think so.

[Memes]

So that. Yeah, Dan Quinn probably didn't know that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he probably should have do a.

[Memes]

Movie where the shark wins.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Shark Week. Hank, do you have any thoughts on the game?

[Hank]

Commanders look bad. I was, I was honestly thinking because.

[Big Cat]

That was a half of half a sentence.

[Hank]

Commanders look bad. I was honestly thinking because Coach Gruden on the stream also it was asked him about Caleb Williams or Drake May. Yeah, he said Drake May and he said Drake May. Drake May is going to be a superstar. Patriots have looked good. Commanders have looked basically should be on a three game losing streak.

[Memes]

What does that mean?

[Hank]

Whose line would it be anyway if the Patriots played the Commanders next week? Where.

[Big Cat]

This is what I was saying in Washington. This is what I would say. People were confusing.

[Memes]

You're insane.

[Hank]

I'm just, I was, I'm just thinking.

[Big Cat]

This is way worse. This is what I was saying on Wednesday and people said it not.

[Hank]

This isn't my, these aren't my words.

[Big Cat]

This is what I was saying. I was. And people were like, oh, you're just, you're saying Jaden Daniels. No, no, no. I think Jaden Daniels is really good. Caleb Williams, we got problems. The fucked up nature of this podcast is this guy on the couch is now going to be like I got the superstar.

[Memes]

I think, I think the spread in all honesty, Hank, in. Look at that smurf in Landover. Look at that smurf in Landover. Hank. I think the spread. We, we definitely have some like bookmakers that listen to this game. Right. Tell us the hypothetical spread. My guess is Commanders five and a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Plus at home and they were just five and a half point underdogs to the Bears. The Bears quit.

[Hank]

Yeah, I just, I thought it was interesting that you know he did say Drake Mays football mind, Jon Gruden, when asked about the number one pick he said he would take the number three pick which obviously means he would take the number three pick over the number two pick. Just thought it was interesting.

[Memes]

John Gruden has never coached. I don't think he's coached a first round quarterback.

[Hank]

But he's evaluated all of them.

[Memes]

Yeah, I guess.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he has evaluated all of them. That's a fair point. I listen, I think Drake May is very good. We're going to talk about it actually more and I said something about Drake May that it was a very high compliment in the picks and preview. But just.

[Hank]

You asked my opinion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I did. I did. I did.

[Jon Gruden]

Hank.

[Big Cat]

I asked.

[Hank]

That's what I was. I was watching. This game is terrible.

[Big Cat]

I did ask his opinion.

[Memes]

What's your opinion about the game?

[Hank]

The game. I mean the Eagles have no kicker. That's going to be a major problem.

[Big Cat]

He's a good kicker. He just had a terrible night game.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a good kicker.

[Big Cat]

Terrible night. Terrible.

[Hank]

I mean that you can't. That's going to be a problem. If I'm an Eagles fan I'd be very like that's a, that you, that's your kicker in the playoffs. That game is going to creep in your mind.

[PFT Commenter]

But he's kicked in the playoffs before. He's had. He, he's had a bad game. I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Hank]

Has he ever had a game?

[PFT Commenter]

No, not even close.

[Hank]

So that's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

No, the extra point was where it was.

[Hank]

If you're going into a playoff game, like if you're saying that you're not going to be worried about him having a bad game, you're lying. And the commanders turn back into a pumpkin. 76% playoff percent chance it doesn't look good.

[Memes]

You're taking the 24%.

[Hank]

I think I might be. I mean they lost to the Bears and the Bears quit.

[Memes]

Fact check.

[Big Cat]

They did not lose.

[Memes]

They beat the Bears.

[Hank]

But they.

[Big Cat]

But also. And a double fact check. That was before the Bears quit.

[Memes]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

Bears quit at the last play of the Cardinals game at halftime.

[Memes]

I'm also just. This did not have an effect on the outcome of the game. Probably. But I would like to see Hail Mary at the end of the first half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You're at like the what, 47 yard line.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[Memes]

And we just run the ball like what? Why not try Hail Mary? He's lifetime. A thousand percent on Hail Mary's in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Agreed.

[PFT Commenter]

I have one more thing.

[Memes]

Any quarterback can make that throw that I wouldn't try.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We as a national podcast need to Quinion Mitchell is a top five.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Toledo.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, it's incredible the things that he has done this year.

[Big Cat]

He is awesome. And it looks like you guys have finally like Vic Fangio's defense. You know, when it starts to work and it's starting to work.

[PFT Commenter]

Can I read his.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Against top receivers this year.

[Big Cat]

Please.

[PFT Commenter]

Packers week one, they don't have a true one. One reception. Gave up one reception for 6Y. Drake London, one reception, five yards. Chris Olave, two receptions, 23 yards. Mike Evans, two receptions, 19 yards. Amari Cooper, one reception, 10 yards. Malik Neighbors, one reception, nine yards. Jamar Chase, two receptions, 19 yards. Jaguars don't have a true one. 1 reception, 11 yards. CD Lamb, two receptions, 14 yards. Terry McLaren, zero reception, zero yards. That's incredible. I mean student that's going through a gauntlet as a rookie and being coming out.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Unbelievably.

[Memes]

Yeah. He's. He's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Happy for you, Max.

[Memes]

Very happy.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Big Cat]

As a national podcast we had to mention that. I don't know why you said the national podcast thing because I want.

[PFT Commenter]

The national media isn't saying anything about.

[Big Cat]

Oh God. We are the national media.

[PFT Commenter]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

So now we've. We fixed that.

[PFT Commenter]

I. Max, we talk a lot about rookies. I want to talk about.

[Memes]

I appreciate Max. Because we try to get it right when we can, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we do.

[Memes]

So in the spirit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Maybe I should have.

[Memes]

Maybe I should have added in the spirit of getting it right. I'd like to correct Max. Terry McLaurin did not get shut out for zero catches.

[Big Cat]

He had one catch for.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's against him.

[Big Cat]

Oh, against him.

[Memes]

Oh, against him. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Where was.

[PFT Commenter]

Because that was Cooper. That he got a catch against Cooper.

[Memes]

See that. That's what worries me about Jaden is we didn't even really try to pass to our.

[Big Cat]

I know. It was a lot of dump offs.

[Memes]

And like we built the entire plane out of Austin. Eckler and Zach Erskine, where were.

[Big Cat]

Where were his shot plays? Because he's been throwing those so perfectly.

[Memes]

Didn't take any deep shots, really. That's why I think he. He might not be healthy and trying to play off short rest with the rib injuries. Probably not good for him. But. Yeah, listen, I feel like I'm being quite illusional and I will still take the 76% chance of making the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

You also. And we do this every single week. And I think that there's maybe. Sometimes. Because people listen to this at Friday morning when we have to record right after a loss. It is always a different mindset.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Than like tomorrow morning. Like when you get us right after a loss. It will always be the worst and most overreacting thing. I think tomorrow morning you're going to wake up and be like, we're going to be fine.

[Memes]

I'm going to say something good about the commanders tonight. One, one bright thing. Mike Sanrestrill.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Cornerback.

[Big Cat]

That's a guy.

[Memes]

Michigan, five foot nine. Had him on aj. AJ Brown's been cooking.

[Big Cat]

Hold on. Before you do this, you should say that it's because we're a national podcast.

[Memes]

Because we're national podcast. I'd like to draw Mike Sanders.

[PFT Commenter]

Phil, tell the world.

[Memes]

That guy is awesome. I love that dude. He's undersized. He's a fucking. What's a different name for a honey badger? He's a Wolverine.

[Big Cat]

He's Wolverine.

[Memes]

A literal wolverine is what he is. And yeah, he played great defense tonight when he was on AJ Especially in the red zone. He pretty much shut him down when they were matched up against each other. So love that guy. And at least we have a good cornerback moving forward. Plus, haven't gotten Lattimore out there. This game is totally different without. With Lattimore out there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Memes]

Probably not.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

We ran. We just ran them.

[Memes]

I Know. Yeah, I know. I'm. Listen, I'm going through stages of cope right now. Okay. So my stages of cope included. Cliff Kingsbury has been bad in the last three weeks. He might be on the downside, but at least that means that no team will try to hire Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach because he's kind of taken some of that shine off. That's one of the stages of cope that I'm at. Another stage is we're getting an impact free agent from the New Orleans Saints.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Who's currently on a roster right now.

[Big Cat]

That hasn't played yet because we're a national podcast. Zach Bond has also been great.

[PFT Commenter]

Also great. I did Badger. I thought about it. I was like, I can't do two national podcasts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But Badger, you should have Badger. National podcast. Yeah.

[Memes]

Big Head. As a national podcast, would you like to talk about Zach Bond?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Would you like to talk about the Wisconsin Badgers?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Played well.

[Big Cat]

Zach Bond played great tonight.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Badger, he's really good. National player of the year, probably.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, would you like to. Hank, national podcast. Anything?

[Hank]

Christian Gonzalez from the game tonight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

No, no, no.

[Big Cat]

We're just talking about your guys. Luca. Luca had a great game tonight. National podcast. Oh, okay. All right. Hey.

[Memes]

Hey.

[Big Cat]

National podcast. Real quick. National podcast. We should shout out the Cleveland Cavaliers. They're 13 0. National podcast. That's pretty crazy. 13 0. National podcast. I'm looking at the standings right now. It's like you do. You thought the Celtics would be there. The Magic are good. The Knicks. But the Cavs, 13, 0. Yeah.

[Memes]

How about that?

[Big Cat]

And it's like, I mean, the Pistons are in there.

[PFT Commenter]

How.

[Big Cat]

The Bulls are the six seed. There must be a. Oh, this. Oh. The Sixers are 2 and 9.

[Memes]

National podcast.

[Big Cat]

National podcast. 2 and 9.

[PFT Commenter]

Jared McCain almost. Almost won the game by himself last night. National.

[Big Cat]

2 and 9. The national podcast. The Sixers are 2 and 9.

[Hank]

Almost. You missed.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you hear?

[Hank]

Max almost won the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we got. We're building.

[Big Cat]

We're building something that was almost your third win.

[PFT Commenter]

We're building something out of Philly. We got a 12 guys.

[Big Cat]

National podcast.

[Hank]

You just need a couple superstars to get in the mix, and you guys could have a real team going.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. You're absolutely right. Maybe get them healthy and then you got a real team. Thanks, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. National pocket. National podcast. I'm very excited. Tonight is, I think, Alabama versus Purdue in college basketball, I believe. National podcast. That's going to be a great game. Purdue.

[Memes]

National podcast. National podcast. Blake turns One and a half years.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow.

[Memes]

Tomorrow. Yeah. National podcast.

[Big Cat]

National podcast. We do half years. National podcast.

[Memes]

Love that podcast. Raise awareness.

[Big Cat]

Love that. You should. You should see. You should not do one and a half. You should do 18 months.

[Memes]

18 months.

[Big Cat]

Just throw people how many trimesters my dog is 18 months. Like, what the. Yeah, you should do. You should do months for Blake until he's like 6 years old. Oh, okay. You should. Yeah. Bring that up naturally somewhere tomorrow. Be like, yeah, Blake is 18 months. I will.

[Memes]

I will. It's a promise.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's kick it to ourselves. Weekend preview. An incredible interview with coach Jon Gruden, our newest coworker in studio. Okay. Weekend preview time. It's brought to you by our friends at Game Time. Football season is here and we can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of Game Time, the official ticket ticketing partner, Barstool Sports. You know much we love Game Time. Now with their brand new Game Time Picks feature, they're making it even easier to get to a game. Game Time Picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seats so you don't have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets. Hank, we were looking at those tickets. Northwestern Ohio State at Wrigley on Saturday.

[Hank]

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[Memes]

Very romantic. Romantic place to watch a football game last.

[Big Cat]

Some of the greatest romance movies have been taped there with western football. The Breakup, the Great Aphrodisiac.

[Memes]

Not a lot of scoring on the field in the stands. Different story.

[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

The Indianapolis Colts.

[Big Cat]

No, it'd actually be the Cincinnati Bengals would be 8 and 2. 8 and 2 and last would be the Kansas City Chiefs 2 and 7. Fascinating because they have played all one score games in the NFC.

[Memes]

I love this stat.

[Big Cat]

It's the best.

[Memes]

What if. What if the teams that were good at winning were actually bad at winning?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, what if. Yeah, what if every win was a loss? Yeah, the what if standings for the NFC. Tampa Bay would be 7 and 3. That's the big notable switch. Also the giants would be 6 and 4. And then the saddest part about this is the Carolina Panthers would be one in nine. So they would actually get worse.

[Memes]

So they're good and they punch above their weight class in close games.

[Big Cat]

They would get worse. That's when you get blown out. The jets would be five and five.

[Memes]

Memes still in it.

[PFT Commenter]

He wanted me to fact check you to make sure it wasn't the Jets.

[Big Cat]

No, 5 and 5. Would that make them 5 and 5? You reverse all one score games.

[Max]

Oh, we stink.

[Memes]

Would that make them top five?

[Big Cat]

No, they'd be out of the playoffs even in these this what if fantastical standings. Yeah. In a fantasy land. You can't stink in a fantasy land. I just always like looking at those because it is very funny just being like, yeah, what if everything was different.

[Memes]

So what I like about this weekend is there are like three games that are awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then there's a just heaping mound of dog shit.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So let's let's start with it. Oh, let me. Let me. Someone, a listener said, could you guys please say the line when you say the game? And I will start doing that. Thank you to DraftKings. So we will start. Let me pull up the current lines. Let's start.

[Memes]

I got the lines right here. If you just want to say the game, I'll say the line.

[Big Cat]

It's. We'll start with the Ravens at the Steelers.

[Memes]

Okay. We got the ravens favored by three on the road over under 48 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Okay. So this to me is. I'm very excited for this game because it will tell us a lot about the Steelers. I think the Ravens, I believe, are going to be there no matter what because their offense feels unstoppable. The Steelers, if they win this game. Why? Why not?

[Memes]

Yeah, why not?

[Big Cat]

Why not? Steelers.

[Memes]

I already think why not.

[Big Cat]

I'm very close to thinking why not? I would like to see it. Especially. It's Russell Wilson against the Ravens defense. Kyle Hamilton's out, so their secondary is banged up, has not been great all year. Their run defense is elite. So what happens when Russell Wilson.

[Memes]

When.

[Big Cat]

If the Steelers can't run the ball, what's going to happen? This, though, is a strictly numbers game because here are the stats and it's ridiculous. So this 36th time Tomlin and Harbaugh have played against each other, it's second all time only to George Hollis and Curly Lambeau over the last 20 years. The underdog in this series is 28, 10 and 3, 74% against the spread. And Mike Tomlin is a dog against Harbaugh is 12, 2 and 2. And then also here, the final margins of the games between the Steelers and Ravens since 2027 points, 7 points, 3 points, 2 points, 3 points, 1 point, 5 points, 4 points. These teams just play tight games.

[Memes]

They don't like each other very much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

No love lost between these teams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Throughout the record books, when these teams get together. Lamar Jackson as a starter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Has only won one time at Pittsburgh. Against Pittsburgh.

[Hank]

So.

[Memes]

So his only win was in 2019. And that's when Devlin. Hodges. Duck, our guy Duck. Is Duck still around? What's Duck doing these days in Nashville?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, sure.

[Memes]

Just hanging out.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Hank]

Wasn't that when we went to Kittle's house? He was like, duck. Hodges.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Hank]

No, he's like, sometimes I'll throw with Duck. Maybe I might be making that up.

[Memes]

That's.

[Big Cat]

I like that, though, for Duck.

[Memes]

That's a great gig for Duck. If he Just goes and throws routes to George Kittle in the off season. Yeah, I like that for Duck's probably just. He's. He's in the middle of a field somewhere shooting a shotgun.

[Big Cat]

I don't know the answer, but I like if that is the answer. I like where he's at in that answer.

[Memes]

Yeah, he's probably very good life.

[Big Cat]

That's a really good life.

[Memes]

Living off the land.

[Big Cat]

A4. Like a guy who had a cup of coffee in the NFL, started an NFL game as quarterback named Duck Hodges cleans up in Nashville. Cleans up.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

That's just a fact.

[Memes]

Yeah. So he's. He's. Lamar is one in three against Pittsburgh. Duck Hodges. That was the only game that Lamar has won against the Steelers. So I love the Steelers as an underdog. I always do. Home game. Home underdog against the Ravens. This game, my only qualm. This game should be at night. It should be a prime time game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It's unfortunate that it. That it's not. That it is in fact like one of the early games this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So I don't.

[Big Cat]

I don't love that this will be sound.

[Memes]

The sound is going to be on.

[Big Cat]

This sound main tv.

[Memes]

We're going to have it. This is the crown jewel of the early slate.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We have, by the way, we have eight games and we only have seven TVs that we look at. We have obviously the eighth TV off to our left. So I think what we're going to do is just put one game on the ATV off to the left.

[Memes]

I like that. And that's usually the Panthers game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's usually the Panthers are on a bye week.

[Memes]

They're on a bye week this week. So it won't be. It won't be this week. I'm excited to see George Pickens and Marlon Humphrey go at it. Yeah, I. So I saw that matchup and I thought to myself, there's a good chance that one of the two of these guys gets ejected from the game just based on vibes from both of them. But then I looked ahead at the Steelers schedule and I saw Steelers playing the Eagles. I think December 15, the day of the. Of the. Hank. And remember that fight, Hank?

[Hank]

December 15th.

[Memes]

December 15th. Hank's first knockout.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

His first and only knockout. That is going to be a matchup of the Steelers and the Eagles. And that is when we're going to get an ejection between either George Pickens or CD Deuce.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But will be.

[Memes]

But it's still going to be a Feisty matchup between Humphrey and Pickens if they're on each other.

[Big Cat]

Do you guys want a crazy Lamar Jackson stat? Yeah, I have one. This is from dry defender RS Lamar Jackson. So, last week, the Ravens were down 21 to 7, I believe, at halftime. That was the first time in 40 consecutive starts for Lamar Jackson. So where he plays the majority of the game, because obviously he's come out for diarrhea a few times. 40 consecutive games without trailing by more than 10 points. Wow, that's insane. He also is currently still on his streak of 40. So this would be the 41st game without losing by more than seven. Lamar, like, that's. That's insane. They just don't get blown. Like, the Ravens just don't get blown out.

[Memes]

Yeah, they're. I mean, they've been a very consistent.

[Big Cat]

Team, and Lamar's been incredible. And I. I wonder, did the. Did the Steelers maybe show too much keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket?

[Memes]

They were very, very good at that.

[Big Cat]

And Highsmith is out, which is big.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's a big one. Also, Hamilton's out for the Ravens, so a couple big injuries there. They did a great job with their linebackers and their defensive line. Patrick Queen is awesome.

[Big Cat]

And he's pissed.

[Memes]

And he's pissed off that he did not get a contract. I don't know what they offered him if they offered him in Baltimore, but he's pissed off about playing up against the Ravens. And he is still playing, like, at the top of his ability. Yeah, he's very fast. There was one play last week where it was an rpo. Jaden fakes the handoff. Patrick Queen takes a step inside towards the running back, and then he beats Jaden Daniels to the sideline.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Keeping the ball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's.

[Memes]

He's elite.

[Big Cat]

He might be. He might be spying. That's what Jerry told us. Patrick Queen's going to spy Lamar Jackson.

[Memes]

Yeah. You see that? There was a snake in Russell Wilson's locker last week.

[Big Cat]

In his pants?

[Memes]

Yeah, in his dick. That's what. Yeah. No, he had. There was a mom mentality. There was a snake that was in the locker, and then they couldn't find it, but they escaped it.

[Big Cat]

Are you saying an actual snake, or is this something that Russell Wilson did in his corner?

[Memes]

Do you think he had, like, one of those fake snakes and he used as a movie?

[Big Cat]

I said to you, hey, Russell Wilson put a fake snake in his locker and said, it's Mamba mentality time. Would you think that's. I made that up?

[Memes]

Well, I might. I said, mama mentality.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know, but if he had said that.

[Memes]

If he had said that, I would buy it. I would also. I could also see Russell Wilson having a snake there. And he's like, there was a snake in my locker. Tried to get me to eat an apple before the game. I turned to the Lord, I said, no. I said. I said, vanquish these, Satan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that also happened. Yeah, 100% happened. Okay, I agree with you. I like the Steelers in this game. Next game, packers are Bears.

[Memes]

Go on. Longest winning streak in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

10. Matt LaFleur has never lost to the Bears. He's 10 and O. Okay, so this is not correct. This is not right or justified, but this is the way that I have to mentally get myself to a point where. And think the Bears can beat the packers on Sunday. Shane Waldron is the Antichrist. Shane Waldron caused all the problems. Shane Waldron, every war tragedy, anything you can think of in history. Shane Waldron was the issue behind it. That's the only. Again, not right, not justified. Shane Waldron, probably a very nice guy, not a great football coach, but that doesn't matter. He's gone. And the only way I can tell myself that the Bears have a chance is that Shane Waldron was deliberately holding the Bears back in every capacity. And now everything's going to be different going forward. Also, Keenan Allen's quote where he said Shane Waldron was just too nice of a guy that feels like it's all a mess.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's not good. Shane Waldron. I don't know if you get the interim coordinator bump. I don't know if that's a thing that happens. But there has to be an element of the offense not having to deal with Shane Waldron that just makes them happy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You know, like when. When you have a guy that is clearly inept at his job, just being no longer around that guy all the time gives you a little bit more confidence going to the game. You don't know what you're going to get, but you know that it's not going to be Shane Waldron.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So what the Bears are doing, and we've made this joke before that, you know, Sean McVeigh has such a great track record that it became a part of the NFL ecosystem that, like, if you got Sean McVeigh's coffee, you got a job job. The Bears are testing that theory because Shane Waldron, I think his highest level for the Rams was passing game coordinator, and he's gone. And now we have Thomas Brown, whose highest level for Sean McVeigh was assistant head coach and tight ends coach.

[Memes]

Now, was it Thomas Brown? Didn't he call plays for the Pat for the Panthers last year for three.

[Big Cat]

Weeks and then Frank Reich took it back.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So we are really going to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom of the barrel of. If you were in the same room as Sean McVeigh, you know how to call NFL offense. I don't think he does, but the Bears at least are testing the theory. Yeah.

[Memes]

It's somebody new.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

Are there reports. I saw reports that Caleb Williams and him. Tom, don't talk.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That was weird. That was weird.

[Hank]

He was the passing game coordinator before. Now he's the offensive coordinator. And there's been a lot of report that like they don't really meet.

[Big Cat]

There's been a lot of reports. There's been a lot of bad reports.

[Memes]

I also saw difference between Russell Wilson and Caleb Williams.

[Hank]

Did you see the clip from Rossini's podcast?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's what I've, Yeah. Done that clip 100 times.

[Hank]

I know. Just the way it was all laid out tight was. Was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Honestly, wild.

[PFT Commenter]

What does the clip say?

[Big Cat]

It says everything I've said a million times over. But I'll say real quick again, they've basically, since firing Lovey Smith, they've gotten every timeline wrong. Phil Emery hired Mark Tressman. Mark Tressman leave. Phil Emery stayed. John Fox drafted Mitch Trubisky. He fired John Fox after a year. Then it was Matt Eberflu or, sorry, Matt Nagy. I get my. Matt's confused. Who was there? So John Fox drafted John Fox, didn't even know he was drafting Mitch Trubisky. Ryan Pace did. And then Matt Eberflus came on, inherited Mitch Trubisky, never drafted Mitch Trubisky. Didn't want Mitch Trubisky. And then Mitch Trubisky's gone and they drafted Justin Fields and Matt Nagy then gets fired and Matt Eberflus inherits Justin Fields didn't want Justin Fields drafted Caleb Williams and then he's going to get fired and whoever the next guy is going to inherit Caleb Williams probably not wanting Caleb.

[Memes]

Basically a history of coaches that didn't want the quarterbacks that they had and then a bunch of general managers who didn't want the coach that they had.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just never actually hiring the right thing at the right time at the same time.

[Memes]

They're never on the same page as each other. Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's a show. Hey, guys, it's a show and it's the packers shock the world. I told you I'm going to. By Sunday morning I'm going to believe that we're going to win this game because I haven't connected all the dots. But where was Shane Waldron on 9 11?

[Memes]

Good question asking.

[Big Cat]

Did you see, by the way? Did you see? So Carl blogged it, but there was an entire blog he found. I think it was a Reddit post that essentially was like, Paul Skeens is a sociopath. That's why he's so good at baseball. And they backtracked when he was born. And the theory is that his parents had sex at 9 11.

[Memes]

The butterfly effect.

[Big Cat]

And they basically like blocked out all the noise of 911 and. And created Paul schemes today.

[Memes]

Now, was this inception happened a little too much? How early in the morning?

[Big Cat]

We don't know.

[Memes]

Like before you get out of bed.

[Big Cat]

It was just. Yeah. You know, you don't know the exact time, but yeah, it was. People have way too much time on their hands. But I did, I did think it was interesting.

[Memes]

He was born mad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We like Paul Skeens on this show.

[Big Cat]

I love Paul schemes. I mean, it was a sociopath in a good way.

[Hank]

Like, he's locked in.

[Big Cat]

He's so locked in that he like his ability to lock in and outside noise and just like mow down hitters. Like, that's why he's elite. It wasn't a bad thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know. Good guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Very guest.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. I don't have anything else in this game. The packers are gonna kill us.

[Memes]

You never know. You never know. Division matchup. I want Big Cat to be back. I'm going to bet on the Packers. I'm going to say, fuck it, no Bears. There's. Sorry.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Bet against the Packers. Betting on the Bears. There's no reason why the Bears should win this game. Absolutely zero reason why they should do it. But the NFL is a weird place and weird shit happens and chaos happens.

[Big Cat]

Just.

[Memes]

You need an ugly game. You got to get an ugly game going. Here's a recipe you need. You need Jordan Love to throw one of those weird, like behind his back. Pick sixes, get a defensive score. You need Caleb to just do handoffs. Caleb, I hope that. I hope that the new offense coordinator doesn't have Caleb doing all that weird shit at the line of scrimmage. I get it. If you're like Peyton Manning or if you're Tom Brady, if you've been in an offense for a long time, have them direct the offense. Why are you making a rookie quarterback do that? It made no sense. Since week one.

[Big Cat]

Nothing makes sense.

[Memes]

The level of responsibility that you put on Caleb Williams when Caleb hasn't done in the NFL yet. Let him go out there and make easy throws. Don't have him trying to direct the symphony that is the weird up Bears offense. Because even if. Even if he's able to know all the plays and tell players where to go, it's still going to be a bad result to these shitty plays that they're calling. Don't make him feel like he's got too big a part of that failure right off the bat. Give him easy shit to do.

[Big Cat]

It's all. I mean, I. Everything you said is correct, whether they do it. Yeah, probably not.

[Memes]

It just makes no sense to have a rookie quarterback.

[Big Cat]

None of it makes sense.

[Memes]

And to put that much on him right now, straight off the hook, the guy's.

[Big Cat]

He's mentally locked up because Matt Eberflusse is a fucking idiot and they're just doofuses. And Kevin Warren tried to cancel Big Ten because of COVID and he's the one who's calling the shots. And it's just. I hate everything. Everything sucks. We're just back in an exact same spot. What about Bear cycle just continues.

[Memes]

Bear football, Big Cat. What about handing the ball off to your running back?

[Big Cat]

It would be nice.

[Memes]

And not letting him get sacked.

[Big Cat]

Offensive times again, not been great. It'd be nice. I actually wouldn't hate it too, if Caleb Williams threw an interception in this game because maybe he would be taking a shot that actually was close to someone.

[Memes]

You know what my red flag on Caleb is?

[Big Cat]

He's been throwing deep balls that aren't even close to being intercepted.

[Memes]

You know my red flag is what? He hasn't even cried this year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he should cry.

[Memes]

I mean, that was the knock on him was he cried after bad losses.

[Big Cat]

He's definitely cried this year.

[Memes]

He hasn't cried on camera in private.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I've cried in private. Yeah, so he's definitely cried.

[Memes]

But I mean, there was something about him last year where he was taking losses so hard that he was crying. Yeah, I'd like to see the man cry.

[Big Cat]

It's a disaster. We're walking into a disaster. Also, our good friend Bear Down Cuz is going to come on on the stream on Sunday from. From Bob Does Sports Universe. He was on. He came last year. Yeah, great dude. So he'll be with us on the stream, so at least we'll have an Extra. The bear they're going to be on. No sound. I just. Whatever. We'll see. We'll see. They suck. They suck. Everything sucks. The organization is a joke. They've ruined Caleb Williams. It sucks.

[Memes]

Speaking of the bears being frauds, did you see the.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, they're not fraud.

[Memes]

They're bad. Do you see the clip that came out from California about the fraudulent bear?

[Big Cat]

Well, but the bears aren't fraud.

[Memes]

Okay, but they're. Did you see the clip in California? So apparently these people are under investigation for insurance fraud. Every now and again you see a camera, like a ring camera or like a security camera of a bear that climbs into somebody's car looking for food and mauls it up and tears up from the inside. Apparently there's been this group of people that have been dressing up as bears, wearing, like, scissors on their hands, climbing into cars, scraping them up, and then collecting all the insurance money because the car is totaled or the inside the car is all fucked up. So they got like a human wearing a bear outfit climbing into a car, trying to look like a bear and then scraping it up on the inside. Ooh, I just thought that was an interest.

[Big Cat]

I would love to be a fraud. Yeah, we were frauds at 4 and 2.

[Memes]

That's what I'm saying. Being a fraud. I'm loving life as a fraud.

[Big Cat]

Let me real quick. I want to just go around the room. I'm holding a number underneath my chair. One to ten. Ten being wins a Super Bowl. One being he's out of the league in like a year and a half. Half. What do you. What do you think about the future of kill blimps? Be honest.

[Memes]

Well, you're only holding one hand, so it's got to be between one and five.

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, duh.

[Memes]

Three.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Seven.

[Big Cat]

That's a lie. I said be honest.

[Memes]

I would say higher. I would say higher than this, but the fact you only have one hand, I'll say five.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

For one hand, I'll say four. But I think he's an eight.

[Big Cat]

Names. Got it.

[Max]

I think he's an eight.

[Big Cat]

That's where I'm at. And it's not Caleb. It's the organizations.

[Memes]

Well, do you extend that same grace to the offensive coordinators that come in? Is it the. Is it the Bears just working for the Bears that makes offensive coordinators suck?

[Big Cat]

No. Well, we hired the worst offense coordinator on the market.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Jackson Smith and Jig Would laughed when he got hired. We all knew this was going to happen. It's not revisionist. History. It's just wishful thinking that went totally awry. Okay, Raiders at Dolphins. We are back to Gardner Minshew. What were you gonna say, Max? You had something else?

[PFT Commenter]

No, I had nothing else.

[Big Cat]

You were looking at me like you wanted to say something.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I just. Like Caleb Williams. Memes like Caleb Williams.

[Big Cat]

I love Caleb Williams.

[Memes]

You could get.

[PFT Commenter]

Who knows? Who knows? It's year one. You could get it.

[Big Cat]

There's not you guys. I appreciate you guys out there. I appreciate you guys being nice. I really do. As friends. You don't have to.

[PFT Commenter]

Cale Williams is the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

How many times did you hear that?

[Memes]

Max, I agree with you. Caleb Williams is still. He's. He's still a good quarterback. He just needs to get in a comfortable system. He needs to not be like surrounded by a hurricane of shit.

[PFT Commenter]

And he needs his players to not hate him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He needs his wide receivers to not hate him. That's that dj. DJ Moore's got to get out.

[Memes]

I said okay. All right, how about this? What if Caleb Williams right now, what if he was on the open market as a for a trade?

[PFT Commenter]

Easily.

[Memes]

He's not. What do you give up for him? First round picks.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes wants them.

[Big Cat]

All right. You can have him.

[Memes]

I take him first round pick. He's still first round pick quarterback. I still want him.

[Big Cat]

I'm not trading them.

[PFT Commenter]

There we go. See, that's all we need. That's all. That's all we needed you to say it's bad.

[Big Cat]

But I'm not trading them.

[PFT Commenter]

And they're going to beat the Packers.

[Big Cat]

And Shane Waldron was the reason for all of this. Raiders at Dolphins line. Oh, we got it right there.

[Memes]

Yep. Raiders at Dolphins. It is going to be 7 minus.

[Hank]

7 for the dollar.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah.

[Memes]

Hank, you do over under 44.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Hank will do the line. So we're back to Gardner Minshew. Also. We have to be. We have to be. Full disclosure. I think. I think I speak for both of us. Pft. When I say that we're rooting for the Raiders offense to have some success because our friend Scott Turner is now the oc.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

We like Scott Turner.

[Memes]

And Norv Turner, his dad is working as a consultant with the team.

[Big Cat]

Love that Norval Bold with Scott Turner in the 2019 Final Four in Minneapolis. I said Minneapolis. Minneapolis had a great night. Great time. Knows brother too. So we knew. We love the Turners.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

I don't know how the Raiders are going to be able to run the ball though. And I think that's what Scott Turner wants to do.

[Memes]

Yeah. It's going to be a challenge for him. Although we're getting Florida, man. Minshew.

[Big Cat]

True. Good. So.

[Memes]

So you're always looking for what kind of spark you can get out of Minshew. We always say if you put Minshew in as a backup quarterback, get a spark. I feel like in the state of Florida, that's when you're going to get pure Gardner Minshew. I know he's not from Florida, but he's got big time Florida energy to him. I like the possibility of him doing some fuck shit this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Now this is a rest game, too. It's a big time rest game. It's a bye week for the Raiders and then it's a short week for the Dolphins, who played on Monday night. So you might say to yourself that heavily favors the Raiders in this situation. But the Dolphins are 50 against the spread when they are at arrest disadvantage since 2022. So the dolphins don't need sleep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

They're like sharks. Just keep swimming.

[Big Cat]

Also, Tua said he would do it again.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When going headfirst into a tackle, I.

[Memes]

Think he also said that just discourages me from throwing interceptions.

[Big Cat]

Sure.

[Memes]

Yeah. Whatever it takes.

[Big Cat]

I think we have to stop the hand wringing about two. I know that everyone wanted him to maybe walk away. Tua knows. What Tua knows at this point is, I mean, if he's going to jump headfirst into people, it's like, what are you going to do? Yeah, what are you going to do?

[Memes]

Yeah, I mean, that's. Tua wants to play football.

[Big Cat]

He wants to play football. You can't stop someone. I'm a believer in, you know, freedom of choice. Like, you should be able to do this.

[Memes]

Yeah. The Dolphins, so they are just coming off. I believe they cut their team captain, which hardly ever happens. I can't think of another time that a team captain has been cut midseason.

[Big Cat]

Shane Waldron was our team captain.

[Memes]

Yeah, he was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And Desmond Ritter is now being talked about by certain segments of Raiders fans as being the answer.

[Big Cat]

Ooh.

[Memes]

So that's kind of a sad state of affairs that you've got in Las Vegas.

[Big Cat]

Desmond Ritter is the answer.

[Memes]

I don't know what the question is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What question could Desmond Ritter possibly be the answer to?

[Big Cat]

I think this game, The Dolphins are second in pass blocking. The Raiders are 29th and pass rush. But the Raiders do do a good job. They do the. They do the Chiefs defense where they just don't let Explosives down the field. I think it might be a little tighter. I just don't know how the Raiders offense does anything. And it's not because of Scott Turner. He's very good play caller.

[Memes]

Yeah. Ultimately, this might come down to football. Guy versus nerd.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Who do you take? Antonio Pierce or Mike McDaniel?

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game, Colts at Jets. Colts at Jets. Line, Hank, that was your only job right here.

[Hank]

Minus four. The over, under is 43 and a half.

[Big Cat]

You do the lines. I got the lines.

[Memes]

Now I can. I can do the lines.

[Big Cat]

I just don't. You have other things going on.

[Memes]

I just don't know what game you're going to go.

[Big Cat]

I have a. Max has him pulled up.

[Hank]

I haven't pulled up.

[Big Cat]

Hanks out. Okay, Max. Damn Colts of Jets memes. Jeff Olbrook said to the team that they're going to return to fundamentals of tackling and being pads and then needed a tackling presentation for the team before practice. What do we think about that?

[Max]

Sometimes you got to keep some things to yourself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

Some media training for Jeff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Don't say anything.

[Memes]

This is why Jeff isn't. You don't have a head coach.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Max]

He ruined all chances of becoming a head coach. He was going to get some interviews in the off season and now he's.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if he was.

[Max]

No, he was predicted to get some.

[Big Cat]

Oh, really?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

But then he got promoted to head coach and now he's.

[Big Cat]

Who told you that? Tyson. Beijing's dad.

[Max]

A bunch of Florios.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah, a bunch of Florios.

[Memes]

You hear the good Florios? You've got two Florios on your shoulder at any given time. And depending on what mood you're in, you listen to the angel or the demon. This case, I don't feel like Jeff Ulbrich was going to be, like, a real hot name.

[Big Cat]

He would.

[Max]

He would have got some interviews.

[Big Cat]

He would have got some interviews. Okay, memes, here's some good news for you. When Aaron Rodgers was asked if he's going to play in 2025, he said, I think so. Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. I'm kind of fired up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. All right. So real quick, memes. I had a question about Jeff Ulbrich.

[Big Cat]

This is really bad for me, too, because the, like, the jets and Bears are in equal hell. So you being fired up just shows how ridiculous I am whenever I get fired up.

[PFT Commenter]

Hold on.

[Max]

I said kind of fire.

[PFT Commenter]

Hold on. Did you take that as like a. I think so, yeah. It's not. It's not an answer. You said, I'm. I think I'm fired up. As if, like, his answer was, yes, I'm back.

[Max]

I just got to see who the coach is.

[Memes]

Well, this is also tremendous inconsistency from you memes because you said, I believe last week that you hope that he retires.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

But it's a roller coaster rooting for the judge.

[Memes]

Okay, so right now, where you're at at 3:10pm on Thursday, you want Aaron Rodgers to play next year, and you're kind of fired up about him kind of wanting to play next year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Cause you could go all. All in. In the off season.

[Big Cat]

Let's put it this. In this analogy. Okay. So I have. I have a garage at home, and every now and then I'll forget to hit. Hit the garage door when I leave. If my wife texted me and said, did you hit the garage door? And I say, I think so. Yeah. She's like, fuck, he didn't do it. Yeah, that. I think so. Yeah. It's not a good. That's a. That's a lot of no. And I think so. Yeah.

[Max]

I mean, you got to see how the team looks in the off season.

[Big Cat]

Did you remember to do this? I think so. Yeah. That's pretty much. Well, now I have to go, so. Did you remember to turn off the oven? I think so, yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

I think the idea of Aaron Rodgers, he's a Hall of Fame quarterback, is good, but Aaron Rodgers right now is not good.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

So I just want to keep believing that he's going to have that Aaron Rodgers performance, and maybe next year is that year.

[Memes]

What other former friends of Aaron Rodgers would have to get signed by the jets for you to be like, yes, we're rebuilding. We're all. All in again.

[Big Cat]

David.

[Max]

Backyard.

[Memes]

Okay. The missing link.

[Max]

Yeah, the missing link.

[PFT Commenter]

I have some news on Memes. Mental headspace right now.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Before we started here, Memes said, Memes goes, I hope that they lose this week so that they can just die.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

And I picked up on what he said. I was like, wait a minute. If they lose this week, they're dead.

[Big Cat]

So they're not dead yet? I think so, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And he goes, well, if you look at the percentages, if they win this weekend, they're actually still alive.

[Max]

Yeah. They bounce up to 20 memes.

[Big Cat]

Are the jets dead right now?

[Max]

Technically, no.

[Big Cat]

Okay. The answer there was. I think so. Yeah. You never know because that gives you a little. No. Yeah.

[Max]

No, I. If they win, they could technically.

[Memes]

All right, so what does a Perfect weekend.

[Max]

Look like the perfect weekend actually happened last weekend.

[Memes]

Yeah, I know. Which is why you were like. But you were down after the perfect weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

So they'll win and everybody else will.

[Memes]

Okay, so you'll do you. You'll hold up your end of the bargain.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Hold on. Can we just remind the listeners what happened to the jets this weekend?

[Max]

Yeah, defense doesn't travel.

[Big Cat]

They got killed by.

[PFT Commenter]

They got smoked.

[Big Cat]

What ha. Memes. I'm just. I'm living one week ahead of you. We got smoked by the Cardinals and I was like, it's over. We walked into that Patriots game, I was like, we're going to lose this game. You need to get in line. The Cardinals are just our graveyarding teams.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So would you rather go up against Joe Flacco or Anthony Richardson this weekend?

[Max]

Joe Flacco, you would.

[Memes]

So, you know. So you don't like the move to Anthony Richardson.

[Big Cat]

He's actually right. Because it's.

[Max]

We can't stop the run.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

I imagine the switch to Anthony Richardson was. They watched the Cardinals film and we can't tackle. And Jonathan Taylor and Anthony Richardson are just going to run the ball every single.

[Big Cat]

That would be crazy if Shane Steichen didn't just throw a pass. Yeah.

[Memes]

Shane Steichen said. Well, he had a quote about Anthony Richardson. He said over the last two weeks he's made strides, big time strides in becoming a pros pro. So we got pros pro Anthony Richardson coming in. I don't know what that means.

[Big Cat]

The problem that Shane Steichen, I like, I always thought that benching Anthony Richardson, we've talked about this was kind of weird because you're not, probably not a playoff team, but then they're like, maybe we are a playoff team. You don't want to lose the locker room get that. Whatever the problem was, they said that Joe Flacco was the future like, or the starter going forward. They should have just said, Anthony Richardson needs a couple games to get his head on. Right. And then you go back to him because now you're going back to him essentially saying, we're not going to the playoffs.

[Memes]

Yeah. The Colts, they should just say whoever has the best week of practice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they should. Honestly, they should flip a coin.

[Memes]

Open competition.

[Big Cat]

They should flip a coin and just take all. Just be like, hey, we're just going to go this way. That way no one loses their.

[Memes]

All right, so we. I think we can all agree that at some point this season the Colts are going to go back to Joe Flacco. Right?

[Big Cat]

Probably.

[Memes]

Probably.

[Big Cat]

Definitely. Because Anthony Richardson might get tired.

[Memes]

That's true. But I mean, as a starting quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If he gets tired from.

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[Memes]

Yeah. I think they will. The real question is, are they going to. Are the. Are the Colts going to go back to Anthony Richardson this season?

[Big Cat]

I think so. Yeah.

[Memes]

So, okay, we're going to get back forth back.

[Big Cat]

I think so. Yeah.

[Memes]

At least one more time. I like that. I like that. And is there any rule that says that you have to name a starting quarterback, like, before, before the actual game?

[Big Cat]

I think so, yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I think so. Yeah. It's actually a great answer because you just give yourself such a great out.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like. Yeah, well, I didn't say yes. I said I think so. Yeah.

[Memes]

So when. When Aaron Rodgers says, I think so. Yeah. At returning, is he thinking that he might get a job in the administration and in that case he won't be back?

[Max]

I. I think so.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

There it is.

[Big Cat]

There it is.

[Memes]

That honestly wouldn't be the most shocking thing ever, would it, if Rogers went to work for the government?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. No, I think his odds are better.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Than to win a super.

[Big Cat]

Did you see the. Did you see the deep dive into Aaron Rodgers on espn? Did you read that article?

[Max]

I did not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was. I mean, it wasn't anything new. It was basically like, this guy, you know, he's a legend. He's hurt. He doesn't have his mobility. And I think the biggest issue is that he. He demands perfection. And a lot of the players, in talking about it, like they were talking offensive lineman, wide receivers, that you have to be perfect in on his wavelength, and he doesn't always explain what his wavelength is.

[Memes]

What does wavelength mean?

[Big Cat]

Like, you got to know where he wants you. He wants everything specific. Like, he wants you. He wants to know that you're going to be at this spot, at this location, at this part of the drop, like all that. So it's the Mike Williams play that. That ended that game against the Bills.

[Memes]

It sounds like something that an offensive coordinator should be in charge. Charge of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But they don't have one.

[Max]

Yeah, we don't have anything.

[Big Cat]

I didn't realize he referred to Nathaniel Hackett as his best friend. I didn't realize he was his best friend. Yeah, that's crazy. Best friend.

[Memes]

Too nice of a guy.

[Big Cat]

Too nice of a guy. Okay, next up, Browns at Saints Max. We're going to get this eventually.

[PFT Commenter]

I got it. I got it. I got it. I was so confused. I was like, neither of these are my teams. It Is it is memes.

[Memes]

You're in charge.

[PFT Commenter]

Browns minus one against the Saints.

[Memes]

You're jumping all over the map. No. No one knows what game you're going to go to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it's all right there. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it was literally right. It was literally the very next one.

[Big Cat]

It's on there.

[PFT Commenter]

I just panicked because normally you say Max when it's Eagles. I was like, neither of these are my teams.

[Big Cat]

No, I just, I, I went, I think I went off of how ESPN had him listed. So. Okay. Brown Saints. I love the Browns in this game. I think we're back with James.

[Memes]

Yeah. Also big news out of Browns camp this week. Vrabel's back on the field. Oh, Vrabel put on the practice jersey and went out there, took some reps at defensive end. Now it was, it was the red non contact jersey. I expect more from Braves. I was hoping maybe some pads and cleats. I actually do think he was wearing cleats. But yeah, he's back on the field. And Jameis revenge game.

[Big Cat]

Mm. I kind of miss revenge game.

[Memes]

I kind of. I also just think that the interim bump is. You can only do so much.

[Big Cat]

It's over.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's.

[Big Cat]

It. Actually. I was looking back at the game on Sunday. The Falcons and the Saints. I actually think the interim bump ended at halftime. But they were able to hold on because if you look at that game, the Falcons out gained him by over 100 yards. The Falcons had, I think it was 11 more first downs. The Falcons ran for 181 yards on the Saints. The Saints just got off to a hot start. They. They went with passion and fight and then they were able to hold on to the last second. That was a little misleading. The Browns coming off a by Nick Chubb now feels like he might be fully. This might be the Nick Chubbs all the way back game.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's how I'm feeling.

[Memes]

I don't hate that. The only counteraction is if the Rizzler clogs a toilet before this game. Yeah, that's what he's got to do. He's got to take a massive, massive dump. He has to bring bounty gate back. But this time it's about paper towels.

[Big Cat]

Yes, he has to. So yeah, I mean, I just think the Saints. Saints are 30th in pass blocking. The Browns are fourth and pass rush. The Saints can't stop the run. The Browns are going to want to try to run. I'm backing on Jameis, backing on Jameis.

[Memes]

Yeah, let's get some weird stuff going here. James, you know, the building, you know where everything's located in that town. You're going to show up to the game, give a big pregame speech. It's going to be excellent. I think I like the Browns.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Rams at patriots.

[PFT Commenter]

My Rams -4 and a half at the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

You know what? Next week, when I write all these down, I'll just write down on my notes the line so I can just read it right from my notes. That was mine.

[PFT Commenter]

But it could change.

[Big Cat]

But it could change.

[PFT Commenter]

It could change.

[Big Cat]

Could change. Hank.

[Hank]

I'm going in optimistic. Probably the first time that, you know, I'm working my way into actually rooting for this team and being excited about games. I think we could win this game. I like how Drake May has been playing. It's been exciting. The Rams are a good team, well coached. There's a chance that Sean McVeigh, you know, just absolutely alphas the fuck out of Mayo and they score like 40 points. That's definitely a possibility, but. But I like our chances. I like us. I like us. Hungry dogs.

[Memes]

What about Drake May's speech?

[Hank]

It's a great speech.

[Memes]

He gave great speech. A candidate for speech of the year. So he addressed the log. He asked the offense coordinator permission first. Permission to address the offense. Permission granted. Drake. And then apparently he stumbled over his words a couple times, but the message got across and Demario Douglas heard it and said, okay, it's serious now. Now that Drake May is taking leadership on.

[Hank]

Yeah, we got a leader. We got a leader. We got a good quarterback. The players are bought in. They believe in him. I think they're going to fight.

[Big Cat]

I have. I think the Bears quit. So I think that was a little misleading.

[Hank]

That's fair.

[Big Cat]

Not from Drake May. I think Drake May is pretty good. I think Drake May is like. He's kind of. He's kind of got a little Josh Allen. Allen.

[Memes]

He likes to take off and a.

[Big Cat]

Couple, you know, the interceptions, if you can. Josh Allen threw a lot of interceptions first year. Like, bring him down. Like, I. I'm not saying he's Josh Allen, but I. I like Drake made what I've seen. I'm talking more about the Patriots defense. They had nine sacks, which was. Oh, you know, they had 16 going into the. To the week against the Bears, and then they had nine against the Bears. Yeah.

[Hank]

And the Bears offensive line is a joke. I don't think you can pay too much mind to that. That's what I'm saying. I think I'm excited For the Patriots offense, I think there's a chance the defense, you know, again, and McVeigh's a really good coach and Mayo is not the most experienced. So this could be a serious mismatch. Rams offense, Pat's defense, and the Patriots could lose. But we're at the point in the season where it's like, I want them to win and I want the Patriots to play well even if we lose. I just hope that, you know, the offense looks good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And yeah, your defense looked good last week. The Rams offensive line did not look good last week. But it's one of those tricky things where the Rams went from being like very injured. So you can blame poor offensive line play on just having stop gap guys to then now you can blame their bad offensive line play on getting their healthy players back and not having any chemistry with the rest of the offensive line. And they didn't give them much help. I think they used 12 personnel 9% of the time in week 10, which is like 25% lower than what they've been doing all season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, the Rams. Yeah. It felt like that was the week they got healthy, but not all the. They need a game on.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And the Rams have to win. Like, they are still very much alive. What's the weather going to be like, though? That is Rams cross country. That's a long trip.

[Memes]

Yeah. Also, who is. Who's keeping the light?

[Hank]

I don't know who's keeping the light in Boston on Sunday? It's going to be nice.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Hank]

42, 59. Obviously Gillette's a little bit outside of that, but looks like it'll be perfectly good weather. Sunny, sunny, 50 degrees.

[Memes]

Did you watch the season finale of the Aaron Hernandez sports Story?

[Hank]

No, I haven't watched.

[Memes]

Watch the season beginning season finale is interesting. The guy.

[Big Cat]

What happens.

[Memes]

Kirk Minahan happens.

[Hank]

Does Aaron survive?

[Memes]

Basically what they did was they did a full season on Aaron Hernandez's life. Nine episodes on his life, his family, his career. And then episode 10 was Kirk Minahan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I saw the clips. I have to watch the whole episode. Yeah.

[Memes]

Kirk Minahan, basically.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did it.

[Memes]

He was the villain.

[Jon Gruden]

He.

[Memes]

He is the.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Memes]

The brand. The broken of the season of American.

[Big Cat]

Sports Story is ridiculous.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Wait till Aaron Hernandez dies.

[Memes]

He does.

[Big Cat]

He does. He does. So I got to watch.

[Memes]

I don't know if there's going to be a season two.

[Big Cat]

I did see that Kirk had a full. He had a full movie theater packed to watch it, which is very funny.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So I gotta watch that. I Haven't caught up on any tv.

[Memes]

I mean, that's.

[Big Cat]

I've started, like six different shows and.

[Hank]

I gotta watch the Penguin.

[Memes]

I heard that.

[PFT Commenter]

So good.

[Big Cat]

I started the Menendez thing. Maybe two episodes. Haven't gone. Skip. Everything okay?

[Memes]

Yeah. I gave up on that.

[Big Cat]

Shrinking.

[PFT Commenter]

Shrinking is awesome.

[Big Cat]

I know, but I, I can't. I just can't. I start it, and then football comes back on.

[PFT Commenter]

Penguin.

[Memes]

Penguin's good.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Worth your time. Also, the Aaron Hernandez. Just because the guy that plays Matt Patricia and Robert Kraft.

[PFT Commenter]

You've said that about, like, 10 guys.

[Memes]

I mean, the Matt Patricia guy, they, what they did was they basically put a visor and a pencil on Max and then just had him sit in silence. And they're like, here's Max.

[Big Cat]

Sounds like Matt Patricia. Yeah, that does. Okay, next up. So Hank Domestic. Also excited to watch Drake May. Yeah, I think that's fair.

[Memes]

I'm glad that you're excited. Finally.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You finally got what we were telling you.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If he gets hurt.

[Big Cat]

Rookie quarterbacks. Watching rookie quarterbacks can be fun.

[Memes]

If he gets hurt or if he gets, if he gets tired during a play and has to take a spell. We going back to Jacoby Brissette or is this Joe Milton?

[Hank]

I don't care. If that happens, I'm back out.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You're turning it off.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Vikings at Titans. Vikings at Titans.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, that would be the Vikings minus six at the Titans.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you yelled that.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I got excited because I was quick with it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you were quick with that. I don't know what to make of this game because I still believe in the Titans defense, and I think Sam Darnold's slipping. But I also know that Brian Flores is probably going to cause massive havoc.

[Memes]

Yeah, this is, this is. His wet dream is going up against Will Levis.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

A man who gets, he gets excited easily. I'll put it that way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I kind of want to take the Titans in the first half. They've. They play good. They've played good football in the first 30 minutes of every game. Or not every game, but a lot of the games. And then they just fall apart.

[Memes]

Part. Yeah, I just, I, I, I go back to that matchup. Brian Flores is tough enough to deal with if you've been in the league for a long time. Yeah, I feel like he's, he sees a quarterback with, like, lots of tattoos on his throwing arm, and he thinks to himself, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna. This guy up this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Max just pulled up the Titans are still first in defensive yards allowed. They're also 11th in DVOA. They're a good defense. Everything else, I don't know what to make.

[Memes]

They can get run on though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Memes]

They can. The last three weeks they've had like 137 rushing yards per game against him.

[Big Cat]

That was also the Lions though.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's true.

[Big Cat]

And that was Jameer Gibbs like 80 yard rush.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's true. I saw an article that said that Sam Darnold could actually be the Titans quarterback next year. That's perfect as a bridge quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Oh my God, is that perfect?

[Memes]

So this could be a test drive for Sam. If you're the, if you're the Titans defense, are you being told, hey let's, let's see what he can do. Let's run some different patterns, let's mix up the coverages to see how he would fare against certain types of defenses so we can get a scouting.

[Big Cat]

I'm mad I didn't think about that. That couldn't, that couldn't be a more perfect fit.

[Memes]

It would be a great fit, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Last early game. Jaguars at Lions. Jaguars 13. Lions 13. I see in 14. 14.

[Memes]

I saw.

[PFT Commenter]

That's on me.

[Memes]

I some earlier today is 13.

[Big Cat]

It's 14. So the Jaguars have been underdogs of 13 plus points how many times since 2010? Since 2010.

[Memes]

Since 2010.

[Big Cat]

13 plus points. A lot. That doesn't happen often in the NFL. 11, 6, 18 times. 18 times. They've been 13 plus point underdogs since 2010. To put in perspective, since 1970, the Pittsburgh Steelers have been 13 plus point underdogs one single time. That's. That's quite something. That's quite something.

[Memes]

They pay these guys to play football too.

[Big Cat]

But this is Doug Peterson's firing game. It's a bye week next week. Trevor Lawrence is hurt. Mac Jones is going again. I have, I have this circled as quit watch.

[Memes]

I'm predicting over one and a half interceptions for Mack Jones this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Mac Jones is A. Is 4 and 15 against the spread in his last 19 starts as an underdog.

[Memes]

Yeah, it does feel like a blowout.

[Big Cat]

It feels like a blowout early and then a quit. Because this, if you're going to fire Doug Peterson in season, it's going to be after playing the Lions going on a bye week. That all just kind of tracks, right?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So. And they'll. And the Lions, I. I think they're the. So I think they're the number one team. I would trust it with A double digit spread in the NFL right now.

[Memes]

Yeah. I mean their offense has all the weapons. It feels like they can score 30 points against anybody.

[Big Cat]

And it does.

[Memes]

The Jacksonville secondary is like one of the worst. They don't have a single person that's in the top 50 at Pro Football Focus.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it also feels like the Lions are just like they're so dialed in. They're just push, push, push. What was that facing. You're going to take the Jaguars.

[Hank]

I think so. This is like this is the NFL makes no sense game of maybe the year.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Hank]

Don't you think they won't be able.

[Memes]

To pass the ball. What if they're going to get. They're going to get at least 35 points scored on them.

[Big Cat]

I like you releasing that though. That was for free. Just awls know. Hank just released his. The NFL makes no sense game of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

You're talking money line.

[Hank]

I will be taking the spread. I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, no. You got to take Moneyline after. After making that statement.

[Hank]

Well, I will. I mean I'll definitely take a money line personally. I probably won't put him in the Hungry Dog and I'll take. But I'll take them spread for. Well, I won't give away my picks.

[Big Cat]

Oh man.

[Hank]

But I will take them Jaguars if no one else does.

[Memes]

And also I love the fact that Jared Goff threw five interceptions last week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I love it because he's not going to do it again.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Got him out of his system.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. Agreed. Okay. Oh, you want. You want a crazy stat? This is a mind blowing stat that I found. Aiden Hutchinson is still fifth in the NFL in total pressure.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty nuts.

[Memes]

They were saying that he probably would have broken the all time record.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If he stayed healthy.

[Big Cat]

He hasn't played in weeks. Also, this is from Sports Info Solutions. The Jaguars given up 11 yards a play versus play action passes this year. 31st. The Lions are pretty damn good at play action passes. But the NFL makes no sense game of the year. So now I'm in a pickle. Yeah.

[Memes]

So Hank, how confident are you in.

[Hank]

This pick in plus 14? Yeah, confident.

[Big Cat]

What about Moneyline?

[Hank]

Not. But I will do it.

[Memes]

But it sounds like you're supremely confident at plus 14.

[Hank]

I am.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Hank]

Yeah. I. NFL makes no sense. It's not.

[Big Cat]

There's not like stats behind close.

[Hank]

But that. But it happens every year. There's always games where it's like how the fuck did the Lions lose to the Jaguars when the playoffs come? I don't think it's going to affect their seating. I don't think it's going to.

[Big Cat]

I love this energy.

[Hank]

Like, it'll be, you know. Oh, yeah, the Patriots lost to the Bengals. Like, the. That was week one. So it's not. It's harder for that to happen.

[Memes]

It's like when Doug Peterson said after the last game, you wouldn't understand. He's talking about, like, this type of game. You don't understand. The NFL doesn't make sense to you.

[Big Cat]

Okay, So I. I'm very close to now releasing my. Doug Peterson is going to get fired after this game. Game of the year. Very close. And here's the only thing I'll say to you, Hank, I know what you're saying. There is always one or two of these games. Can I interest you in a different option for this?

[Hank]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Buffalo bills. They're 10 and O. Next week they play the Carolina Panthers.

[Hank]

Nah, it's the Chiefs. And the Chiefs have Chiefs. The Lions don't have the Chiefs. The Lions have the opposite of, like, the Chiefs black magic.

[Big Cat]

The. I. Jack Mack, our guy Jack Mack said, I just saw him tweeting about it, that. I guess it's like a trend on TikTok right now that people are making memes about the Panthers ending the Chiefs undefeated, like that, calling their shot. It's like. Yeah, like, everyone's just making hype videos a week and a half in advance.

[Memes]

I like that. Listen, The Panthers have 14 days to get ready for the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Dangerous with 14.

[Memes]

What's Bryce Young's record off a long breast?

[Big Cat]

Dave Canales is dangerous with 14 days. Dangerous. I just like that the Internet's getting ahead of this. I. It would be. I mean, it'd be so funny if it happened and they just called their shot.

[Memes]

This would be. This would be.

[Big Cat]

Watch one of them memes. Can you find one?

[Memes]

If Hank's right, this is a shot. Shocking result.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This would be a sh. This would be a shocking, shocking result if this happens. All right. Maybe he's going to find one for us before we.

[Memes]

I just feel like this is a matchup of two teams that never play each other.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'd agree. It does feel like Lions and the Jaguars. Yeah.

[Memes]

Never seen that before.

[Big Cat]

Panthers and Chiefs also.

[Memes]

Yeah, big time.

[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

This is what I love about and kind of miss about having just like everything to complain about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Is it forces you to find creative ways to love your team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this is. Yeah. Because, like, we haven't seen this from. We haven't seen this fight from the Panthers in forever. Oh, hero. It's Bryce Young. He's throwing one of his multiple touchdown passes. He's thrown. I love this. I love this.

[Memes]

Good spiral.

[Big Cat]

That was maybe a preseason game. This is great.

[Memes]

I like it when they also mix in, like a dropped pass. The highlight reel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. So good luck to the Panthers in the. That might be my. The NFL makes no sense game of the year.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Afternoon games. We have the Falcons at the Broncos. I think the Broncos are going to get off the mat here and respond very well. And I think the Broncos are going to win this game. And I think we're going to be like, what's up with the Falcons? Can they win a game?

[Memes]

Well, fun stat about Sean Payton, because I was thinking about this game. Peyton going up against an old NFC south opponent. Sean Payton this year is three and oh. Against the NFC south, his old division. And not only is he three and O against the south, he's absolutely fucked them up this year. The only team that was within 14 points was the Carolina Panthers. So Sean Payton revenge the feisty Panthers. So they have a plus 56 point differential in NFC south games. I like the Panther. Or excuse me, I like the Broncos. They just replaced their field for a third time. Third time three years in a row. Brought in new grass. It's Kentucky bluegrass. And they surprised Sean Payton with it. He didn't know what was going to happen. He's like, oh, it's beautiful.

[Big Cat]

Got your new feel.

[Memes]

I love it. Thank you.

[Big Cat]

The Broncos are two and a half point favorites. I. Here's why I like the Broncos in this game. The Falcons cannot rush the passer at all. 32nd and pass rush. Try to. They don't blitz. They don't. They don't do anything. They just don't get to the passer. Bo Nicks with time. Lethal bow leavers. I think this whole podcast are we all believers.

[Memes]

I've been a bow leaver since week one.

[Big Cat]

I've gone back and forth, but I'm. I'm officially a bow leaver. And the Broncos.

[Hank]

That's all you need to say.

[Big Cat]

A pass blocking. Yeah. I mean, I've been scarred by Bo Nicks in college, so I'm. It took me a little bit, but I'm now a bow lever fully.

[Memes]

Welcome aboard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I feel good about being there. Bow lever. I don't know what to make of the Falcons.

[Memes]

I think the Falcons, they're the perfect team that you would put into the slot of losing a wild card weekend playoff game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Memes]

I think that they're good.

[Big Cat]

I would like the Bronco. I would like to the Bucks to maybe get that spot because I feel like the Bucks are more. I just like Baker.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I just love Baker.

[Memes]

Now Memes is going to be watching this game like a Hawk.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Memes]

Goddamn Hawk. Oh, you need the Falcons.

[Big Cat]

He needs the Falcons bad.

[Memes]

No. No bigger Falcons fan than Memes this weekend.

[Big Cat]

You need the Falcons bad. You need the Chargers bad, too. Right. And then you would be that. That would make you Almost all the way back.

[Max]

Almost all the way back. The playoff percentages are hilarious on the playoff picture on NFL.com.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. But if you get those. If you would be. If the Bengals, obviously the Colts would have to lose because you have to win. You'd be one game back, Memes.

[Max]

And we have a buy after the Colts.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow.

[Max]

Get some people healthy.

[Big Cat]

Get healthy. Okay. I might believe in this, too. Yeah.

[Memes]

There's some. This is another game where these teams have never played each other. Other.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, especially in.

[Memes]

In Denver.

[Big Cat]

In Denver.

[Memes]

In Denver. It feels like the Falcons are not an Altitude team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is the weird matchup week.

[Memes]

Although young thug can go to this game.

[Big Cat]

He can.

[Memes]

He's allowed to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. Oh, yeah, he can. Yeah.

[Memes]

He should go to all their road games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he should. Absolutely. Okay. Seahawks at Niners. Seahawks at Niners. Niners. Seahawks. Off a buy. The Seahawks. We talked about the Dolphins cutting their captain. The Seahawks cut their leading tackler, which is a little weird. Linebacker Tyrell Dodson doesn't really make sense. Geno Smith has never beaten Kyle Shanahan. But if we're going off of, like, what team needs something more? The Seahawks. This does kind of feel like their season. Like they have to win this game.

[Memes]

They have to. They have to avenge the loss from earlier this year. The 49ers are getting better on offense. They're. So. Their offense without Christian McCaffrey for most of the season, they are plus 1.4 net yards per play, which is the second best offense in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

But their red zone is bad.

[Memes]

Red zone is bad.

[Big Cat]

Below 50%. One of six teams that are below 50%. But. But that's.

[Memes]

Maybe Christian McAfee being back is going to help that out a lot. This is why I'm not. I'm not out on the. On the Niners at all. I feel like this is. This is perfectly Niners to start out this slow and then they put their foot on the gas.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're the. The NFC West. No one's run away with it. So. Yeah, the Niners are going to be in a fine spot. I just. Yeah. The Seahawks. This is the Seahawks season off a by. You got the spot. You're playing in the division. If you can find a way to win this, your season's still alive. If you lose this, it's going to be big, big trouble.

[Memes]

It does. It does not make any sense to cut your leading tackler, does it?

[Big Cat]

No. I don't get it.

[Memes]

It's like, how much. How much more would you like him to tackle?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't get it.

[Memes]

That seems like a problem. If you're mad that he has that many tackles, it's probably a problem with the guys that play in front of him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Cutting your leading tackler, cutting your team captain. Weird moves.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

All right, last one.

[Memes]

I'm the captain now.

[Big Cat]

In the afternoon. The best one. Chiefs at Bills. Chief. Sit. Bills. We should start. As always, Patrick Mahomes is 12. One and one against spread as an underdog. That needs to be said. That needs to be said. That needs to be said. That needs to be said. Again. 12 one in one as an underdog. The Chiefs are winning games by the skin of their teeth.

[Memes]

Are they playing with fire.

[Big Cat]

I don't know, because the.

[Memes]

Like, I would say that the University of Miami, they've been playing with fire all year.

[Big Cat]

And they got burned.

[Memes]

And they got burned.

[Big Cat]

BYU's been playing with fire.

[Memes]

They've been playing with fire. I don't think that the Chiefs have been playing with fire.

[Big Cat]

I think they.

[Memes]

I think they've been grinding it out.

[Big Cat]

I think they've played with fire. I don't know if they're playing with fire.

[Memes]

Fire right now.

[Big Cat]

They've played with fire.

[Memes]

They've dabbled in fire.

[Big Cat]

They've dabbled in fire.

[Memes]

They've lit a match.

[Big Cat]

The Broncos game last week was definitely dabbling with fire. That was definitely light. You know, like a little kid lighting some grass on fire. Being like, oh, this is cool.

[Memes]

Yeah. Also, sometimes playing with fire just kicks ass.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And this is more like a fire witch, like, Game of Thrones, like, blood sacrifice situation that they have going on.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Hank]

Like, wait, was that the.

[Memes]

The redheaded.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

She was hot until she got old. Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah, I know. But then she got hotter.

[Hank]

But it's like they've. Yeah, they've. They've. They've done some crazy to get to this spot, and that's might be the.

[Big Cat]

Fire they're playing with, but it's not. It does. I. It's because Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. And it's Andy Reid that if it were any other team, I think we'd be like, they're fraudulent because they keep getting these crazy endings and they. But you can't say the Chiefs are fraudulent because they've done it before, and they might just be, like you said, tough.

[Memes]

There's a part of me that thinks that maybe the Chiefs have intentionally not blown teams out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So that they can learn how to win and be comfortable winning close games. That would not. Like Andy Reid when he. When he dials up the weird shit in the red zone where he does, like, ring around the rosie. He's got Travis Kelsey throwing, like, shovel passes to Patrick Mahomes. That weird stuff. Like Andy Reid sometimes, I think, tries to put his team in very complicated situations to build up their mental toughness.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I agree. I'm worried about. So Keon Coleman, I believe, is out. Dalton Kincaid is most likely out. Amari Cooper is trying to come back. It does feel like a lot of. That's a lot of. That's a lot of guys that the Bills need to be full strength. And again, Patrick Mahomes is an underdog. God damn it. The one thing that makes Me bullish on the Bills here. Sports Info Solutions has a stat Chief splits the fourth most in the NFL. Josh Allen has been the most efficient quarterback against the blitz this season. Season.

[Memes]

But what makes me like the Bills is that the Bills take the ball away.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's what makes me like the Bills too.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah. They take the ball away a lot. And Patrick Mahomes loves throwing interceptions.

[Big Cat]

He does. Did you guys see Matt Collins quote? It's the most like trying to inspire yourself for no reason quote of all time. He said that he does not take elevators on away trips and on game days because no one is going to carry him to success.

[Memes]

I like that.

[Hank]

That's built. He's built like that.

[Big Cat]

Harbaugh. Ridiculous.

[Jon Gruden]

Quote.

[Memes]

How are you going to show your coach how much. How much adversity you can respond to in a stuck elevator situation?

[Big Cat]

He said, when they get to the hotel, the team will like. There'll be someone from the team who will be standing by the stairs being like, Mac, this way.

[Memes]

Yeah. No shortcuts. Take the stairs.

[Big Cat]

I'm fine with it. We have an elevator here in this office. We have two floors. I take it all the time.

[Memes]

That's probably why my great grandfather sucked at football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Took the elevator's success. Okay, I. Yeah. I'm so excited to watch this game. I just. I keep getting burned. Wait, what is this? Harrison Bucker's hurt.

[Memes]

Harrison Bucker is out. Oh, he's got a knee injury.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's actually huge. All right, I might be Bills now because that does feel like a field goal.

[Memes]

Here's what worries me a lot. Here's what worries me a lot. Big Cat. The guy that they signed was off the jets practice squad. They signed a kicker.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he's going to be incredible. That's our kicker.

[Max]

We don't have a kicker on the roster.

[Memes]

They signed a kicker who was not good enough to make the jets as a kicker.

[Max]

He was our kicker last week.

[Memes]

So who. Who's your kicker now?

[Max]

Anders Carlson.

[Memes]

Oh, Swedish guy.

[Big Cat]

He was bad on the Packers. Really bad on the Packers.

[Max]

But one game with the 49ers, he went 4, 4, 5, 5.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God. Memes. One game, but one game.

[Memes]

That's. That's about as low as you can get.

[Big Cat]

Signing one game sample size for a kicker.

[Memes]

Signing the jets backup kicker.

[Big Cat]

No, but that.

[Memes]

Imagine how bad he was in practice. For the jets to be like, no.

[PFT Commenter]

That'S their starting kicker.

[Big Cat]

That was their starting kicker.

[Memes]

So he's on the practice squad right now. So they Move.

[Big Cat]

They move around. Then they break game day.

[Memes]

Okay, now this seems like it was just done only to piss memes off.

[Big Cat]

But hold on.

[Memes]

I would put the GM of the Chiefs as a top Florio right now because he just did this to with you and I'm.

[Big Cat]

Now I'm back on the Chiefs because. Hank, what. What is this game? The blood. Whatever you said. Blood.

[Hank]

Blood magic.

[Big Cat]

Blood magic. The jets practice squad kicker kicking a like 57 yarder to beat the Bills. Of course, it's also. And Anders Carlson missing a kick to beat the Colts. Those two things are going to happen.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't forget about that one game though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The one game sample size. You went four for four.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

This also Andy Reid being like, hey, we need to learn how to win in tough situations. Let's take our great kicker, the best kicker in the NFL and we'll sub him in for a guy that can't make a kick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And we'll see if we can overcome him shanking some shit into the fifth.

[Big Cat]

Just a little bit of adversity. Yeah, just a little bit of adversity. Memes. You crack me up. Memes. He. So he was on the. The. He did not have a game. Oh, he was five for five in two games. I believe it was two games.

[Max]

I thought, I thought it was just one, but either way, fired up.

[Big Cat]

Two games total. He was five for five.

[Memes]

Ratings bonanza in this game. Big time. Ratings.

[Big Cat]

Ratings bananas. Bonanza. It's going to be an awesome.

[Memes]

CBS is jacking off to this game. Ratings bonanza on mute.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Last game on Sunday. Bengals at Chargers. Boys, this is a huge one for our Chargers.

[PFT Commenter]

Chargers minus one and a half at home against Bengals.

[Big Cat]

This is a huge one for our Chargers Future.

[Memes]

Yeah. Joe Burrow 02 against the Chargers. He's only played it against Justin Herbert once. The over under is pretty high on this game, isn't it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, isn't like 40, but the Bengals just make everyone go over.

[Memes]

They do make everyone go over. Joe Burrow leads league in incredible, incredible performances where he ends up losing somehow. I love the Chargers here. I love, I love how much Harbaugh loves Herbert. I love that he said so. We said on Sunday that he started telling reporters that we're going to start calling Justin Herbert beast. Herbert.

[Big Cat]

Her. Her. Beast.

[Memes]

I think it was just Beast.

[Jon Gruden]

Beast.

[Memes]

Herbert. And then you watch the mic'd up of Harbaugh during the game and you can see the second that he decides that he's a beast. And then Harbaugh goes around to the Entire coaching staff, all the other players, and tells them for the rest of the game. He's a beast, isn't he? He's a beast, isn't he?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's. He's a beast.

[Memes]

He loves him.

[Big Cat]

Bengals 27th and pass blocking. Chargers six and pass rush. I also just think the Bengals. So I was thinking about it more. Cause I don't want to give up Bengals, but I'm also thinking about giving up on the Bengals because are we getting fooled a little bit by the Bengals playing the Ravens really close twice?

[Memes]

Maybe they're just built to play against.

[Big Cat]

The Ravens because their other wins are against The Panthers, Giants, DeSean Watson and Raiders. And in our heads we're like. But they basically beat the Ravens twice.

[Memes]

So maybe they're just engineered to play the Ravens close.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

Now follow me on this.

[Big Cat]

I guess they did play the Chiefs close too.

[Memes]

The Chargers. Excuse me. The Chargers have a shitload of old Ravens players that they brought over. So does that mean that the Bengals are built to also play tough against the Chargers?

[Big Cat]

And they're a Harbaugh.

[Memes]

And they're Harbaughs.

[Big Cat]

I'm excited for this game. It's a great Sunday night game because it's basically. If the Chargers win this game, they basically end the Bengals season. The Bengals win this, they're back.

[Memes]

And by the rule of the Harbaughs, no team has gone 20 against both the Harbaugh brothers this year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Is T. Higgins going to play? Is he ever going to play again? It feels like he's making a business.

[Memes]

Expected to return.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Memes]

So he's back, but we don't know. We're going to find out more probably later today. Tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I feel like there's. There's maybe a little business decision, which he should do. If you don't give a new contract, why wouldn't you be like, I'm not going to get injured more on a season. Like, I'm going to wait till I'm 100, 100% healthy. Healthy. That's so funny watching the Bengals having to cross the street.

[Jon Gruden]

It's brutal.

[Memes]

So again, just remind everybody the Chargers are the fourth team in the last 40 years to hold opponents under 21 points in their first nine games of the season. Only been done four times. The defense is legit. Legit.

[Big Cat]

Our friend John Gruden, who's coming up, did point out that the quarterbacks they've played have not been great.

[Memes]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

So you have to play that game. In. In fairness, you have to Play that game as well where you're like, okay, they beat up on some bad quarterbacks and Joe Burrow is a really, really, really, really good quarterback. I don't know. This game's great. I'm just going to enjoy. You know what? I think Vegas got it. Right.

[Memes]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

I think Vegas, right?

[Memes]

Hats off, Vegas.

[Big Cat]

I actually don't think I'm going to bet this game because we have our Chargers future, so it's. We have bet this game. This game is massive for the Chargers.

[Memes]

I'm betting the under in this game.

[Hank]

I cashed out.

[Big Cat]

You did? Yeah.

[Memes]

Do you got an option to cash out?

[Hank]

Yeah, for like half.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Hank. I added more. 35. I'm just Harbaugh guy. What can I say? You didn't cash out Travis Hunter, did you?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Oh, nice. Okay. Nope, you can't. Okay. You. You physically can't or you.

[Jon Gruden]

You.

[Hank]

I don't think they let you cash out.

[Big Cat]

Futures say you won't do that to us.

[Hank]

No, I. Like, I won't because I can't.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Hank]

I'm not saying I wouldn't got it in theory.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

I lost. Hank back in.

[Big Cat]

Hank back in. I'll go. Jt. JK Dobbins we'll leave it up to the night game. Let's get the first two legs.

[PFT Commenter]

JK Dobbins is minus 115 anytime someone told.

[Big Cat]

So an AWL tweeted me after the show on Friday. He's like you. What you guys put in was doomed to fail because you had no conviction. So let's have conviction. PFD. You have conviction.

[Memes]

I have conviction. I am a 12 man jury of one and I'm convicting this motherfucker. Okay, Jameer Gibbs. Oh, I love Jamir Gibbs.

[Big Cat]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

I guess the Jaguars, he's minus 150.

[Big Cat]

Yes, that's true. We're trying to get one through.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's fine. That's fine.

[Big Cat]

Hank. Conviction.

[Hank]

Sorry, Big Cat. I am going to go easy. A bet that I feel like is not going to be hard. They're going to score a lot of touchdowns. I'm going. Josh Jacobs, he's -145 touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

Don't apologize.

[Hank]

But yeah, let's see one through.

[Memes]

So what are we at? What's this? What's this parlay up to?

[Big Cat]

Should we add a fourth?

[Hank]

No, let's get three. Let's get.

[Big Cat]

All right. Let's get three. You're right. You're right, you're right, you're right. You're right, you're right. You right. Right. Okay. We got to do our picks, too. What are the standings? We're all bad.

[Hank]

I'm hot.

[Big Cat]

You are.

[Hank]

I'm four and oh, my last four.

[Big Cat]

But what are the standings?

[Hank]

I'm 500.

[Max]

Me and Hank, so.

[Big Cat]

And you're in first?

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

So we're all bad.

[Hank]

Speak for yourself.

[Big Cat]

Number one is in. Is 500. Four.

[Hank]

No, me and Hank.

[Max]

10 and 10. Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

9 and 11. Pft.

[Max]

8 and 12, max. 7 12. One.

[Jon Gruden]

Okay.

[Memes]

We are bad. That's bad.

[Big Cat]

We're bad. No one over 500 is bad.

[Memes]

It's okay to be bad.

[Big Cat]

All right. Who's up first?

[Max]

That'd be me. I'm gonna go. Kansas City Chiefs, bills over 46.

[Memes]

It's a fun over.

[Big Cat]

Fun, fun, fun, fun in the sun.

[PFT Commenter]

I am going to go Jameis revenge Browns minus one.

[Big Cat]

I wanted that.

[Memes]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Wanted that.

[Memes]

I'm going to go with the Niners minus six and a half against the Seahawks. Hosting the Seahawks. They went by 12 on the road. Without McCaffrey. I feel like six and a half doable.

[Big Cat]

All right. I really wanted that one. Max, you're a son of a.

[PFT Commenter]

You did that to me last week.

[Big Cat]

It's true. I'll Take The Denver Broncos - two and a half against the Atlanta Falcons.

[Memes]

Good pick.

[Hank]

I will be taking the Baltimore Ravens at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Under 48 and a half. A lot of hard fought defense, field goals, not going to be letting up touchdowns. Easy 48 and a half is a lot of points in my humble opinion. And then I'll be taking the NFL. Doesn't make any sense. Game of the Year Jaguars plus 14 at the Detroit Lions.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

All right. I'll take Seahawks Niners over.

[PFT Commenter]

Ah, that was mine. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

I'm going to go with the under in Vikings Titans 39 and a half.

[Big Cat]

That's a good pick. That's a great pick.

[Memes]

I love it. I love this pick.

[Big Cat]

Pft. That's a great.

[Memes]

Thank you. I love it. I want to marry this.

[Big Cat]

Complimenting each other on picks when we're so bad.

[Memes]

But you know, that's a good, it's a great pick. I actually don't care if it wins. I'm just happy with how good of a pick it is.

[Big Cat]

Everyone's had great picks so I'm a.

[Memes]

Process guy, not a results guy when it comes to gambling.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's how you know I'm good.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm lost right now. I'm going to, I'll go, I'm going to go with.

[Big Cat]

This is awful bangle.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I don't like that. Well, I, I, I always have just one pick and then you, you, you robbed that of me. I'm going to go.

[Memes]

This is.

[Big Cat]

Hank wants to kill you right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Means you go.

[Max]

You, I'll take the Texans -7.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

That did nothing for me. I needed, I needed more of a spike. Oh, I'm gonna go packers. Bears over 40 and a half.

[Big Cat]

That's a bad pick.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

That's a really bad pick.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that was a terrible pick.

[Big Cat]

I just. The bear. I mean the, that could easily be a 34 to 3 game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it could for sure.

[Big Cat]

That would be it on Wonder.

[Memes]

But maybe Caleb's good now.

[PFT Commenter]

Caleb's good.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't like that.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the weather like on Sunday?

[Memes]

It's gonna be nice.

[Big Cat]

I think it's gonna be nice. Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Balmy.

[PFT Commenter]

That's, that's an over. That's an over number.

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

What's up, boys?

[Big Cat]

What's up, brother?

[Hank]

It's Rico McRocco, son. Hey, Rico McRocco sending you.

[Big Cat]

Hey, you a little bit.

[Memes]

You got Mick in you. You a little Irish boy?

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm an Irish Italian. Best of both worlds. My statum this week is Duck Hodges. Yeah, he's not in the NFL. Turns out he's selling real estate and he's dating country star Laney Wilson.

[Memes]

Oh, good for Duck.

[Big Cat]

Good for Duck.

[Memes]

Duck.

[Hank]

Duck. And he sells. God cleans up my Sid him. Pray to God, Jake. Paul, I don't think it's gonna happen, but I hope so badly that he gets knocked on his ass and knocked out, sits down forever. Hypothetically knocked out. Not forever, but like for, you know, 10 seconds.

[Memes]

Fight gets cold. Would love to see that.

[Hank]

Don't think it's gonna happen, though. But I really wanted to.

[Memes]

Tyson's a bad man.

[Big Cat]

He's old.

[Hank]

My sit him or my sleeper. JMO Williams. Jameson Williams.

[Memes]

Take a shot.

[Hank]

Jacksonville, 32nd rank pass defense, and they allow the most Y pass play. Going to get a lot of.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Hank]

It's going to be a shootout. Jags are going to win, but Jameson Williams is going to go off.

[Memes]

He's got a little surprise in the trunk waiting for the Jaguars, if you know what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

Love it. Hey, what's up, Paul?

[Memes]

This is Alex Jones from Infowars.com Prison Planet TV. They sold my website, so this is the only place that you can hear Alex Jones.

[Big Cat]

What's up, Alex?

[Memes]

I'm starting this weekend.

[Big Cat]

I'm starting, folks.

[Memes]

New England Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Folks, I'm starting the Patriots.

[Memes]

I've got the documents right here. I love New England's defense shutting down the Rams. You can bet on a Patriot act to be used to Prevent any future McVeighs from creating explosives.

[Big Cat]

That's a fact. Love it.

[Memes]

This week I'm sitting C.J.

[Big Cat]

Stroud. C.J.

[Memes]

Stroud, he's number seven in your programs. I call this guy Building Seven because he collapsed the other week, even though the jets never really hit him that bad. My sleeper is Anthony Richardson. He's like Dr. Fauci taking so many unnecessary shots. The people are waking up. People are waking up. Expect a lot of false flags from New York Jets. Google operates to Northwoods. The jets are lazard people.

[Big Cat]

Oh, lazard people. What's up, guys? What's up? It's Tony Macaroni.

[Memes]

Hey, Tony.

[Big Cat]

What's up, Macaroni? Hey.

[Hank]

Don't.

[Big Cat]

My stardom this week week is going to be the Dallas Cowboys and Cooper Rush. I don't know. I feel. I have a feeling it's my. The NFL makes no sense game of the year. The coupe. You like that?

[Hank]

I like the phrase.

[Big Cat]

You like the phrase you're my blood magic game of the year. You like that?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

My sitam.

[Memes]

What time is this game being played?

[Big Cat]

That's on Monday night. My cinema is.

[Memes]

So there's no sun involved.

[Big Cat]

No sun. About my cinemas in Houston, Texas, because they had not one, not two, but possibly three players only meetings in the last five days.

[Memes]

I saw that.

[Big Cat]

That's way too many.

[Memes]

It's a lot of play.

[Big Cat]

That's way too many players only.

[Memes]

We just call that practice.

[Big Cat]

That's. Yeah. And my sleeper is daylight savings time. Set your clocks back this week, everyone. It's gonna suck, but you lose that hour of sleep. Daylight savings time. Make sure you set your clock Saturday night. Seriously though, make sure you set your clock Saturday night. Night. Very important.

[Memes]

I forgot last week.

[Big Cat]

I know, I know. I know you did because you were late.

[Memes]

I was late all week.

[Big Cat]

Literally all week. You're one hour late. I know.

[Memes]

It sucked.

[Big Cat]

It was nuts.

[Memes]

You show up exactly one hour later, reverse Coughlin time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interview with Jon Gruden and then we'll finish up with fire fest of the week.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest and our newest co worker. It is super bowl champion coach Jon Gruden. First of all, congrats and welcome to the pirate ship. This is a, this is a pinch me moment for myself because obviously John Gruden, you know, you grow up watching him on the sidelines and obviously Monday night football, the Raiders, and now you're our co worker. Does that now diminish your legacy that you are sitting in the room with us?

[Jon Gruden]

I really, it's like a dream for me. I mean, you talk about a new life. I don't know that much about anything other than sitting in a dark room. Yeah, but being a, you know, coming down here to Chicago, seeing this facility, hanging out with Portnoy, getting on this show with you guys and Being a part of this team is awesome. I'm excited about it. I know I got a long way to go and a lot to prove, but with your help. Yeah, I know I can.

[Memes]

It's your number one draft pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's also a genius move from your perspective as well, because you like, like, I think there's a group of fans. What was your years that you did Monday Night Football? 10 was 2009.

[Jon Gruden]

I did it for nine years.

[Big Cat]

So.

[Jon Gruden]

So 18.

[Big Cat]

18. So, like, you know, it's been what, six, seven years? So people forget that you are part of the best booth in broadcasting. And now you get to, you know, you get to basically get re. Reintroduced to the Internet age. Like, people need more Gruden. We're going to give them more Gruden.

[Jon Gruden]

I'm going to do my best. I tell you, though, this. This, this whole operation, for the fans that haven't seen it, to walk in here and see it, it's. It's really incredible. The facility.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

The kind of people that you've hired, the passionate sports fans.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, there is no clock that you guys punch. Everybody just kind of does their own thing. It's an amazing operation. I'm proud to be here.

[Memes]

I like it. So we got a good organization.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's been very funny. Pft. You just walked in, but, like, people have been going up to Gruden and he's gotten the introduction to everyone in their interesting, like, weird, you know, ticks and everything because Jerry immediately said, are you wearing Creed? So he spotted Gruden's cologne. Big T went up to him, was like, I have to ask you right now, how close were you taking the Tennessee job? Mincy has tried to hire him to the Saints. He's just getting like, you're just.

[Memes]

Wait till you meet Frank the Tank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

We got to get you on a stream with Frank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

And we got a big game tonight. That's. That's what I'm most excited about. You know, the commanders heading into Philly. So it'll be an awesome night. I'm fired up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

So. So Big T did ask me to ask you that on the record, because he's a Giant Volunteers fan. He only wears Tennessee orange, only wears a power T. He wants to know how. How close you were to actually signing that because there was a rumor, you remember you had your picture taken in a Hooters.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I think in Knoxville, Tennessee. And the Internet went wild. They were like, okay, Gruden's in Hooters. He's Going to be our coach. I thought John Gruden might just love Hooters that much that he's just casually stopping in for an ice cold beer.

[Jon Gruden]

No, I do love Hooters. I did love Hooters when Hooters was in their heyday, but my wife cheered at Tennessee. I love Tennessee. I was a graduate coach there, and I did talk to the athletic director, and I don't look up to anybody more than I look up to Peyton Manning and Kenny Chesney. Those are two of my favorite Tennessee guys. And I was very interested in doing it. But at that time, I was having so much fun on Monday Night Football with Mike Tirico, I couldn't take any other job.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you did have that stretch where it was like every year it was like, well, Gruden's open. That had to feel good. It was every single year it felt like they'd be like, well, there's an opening. Gruden.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, they fire so many coaches now. I know Big Cat. I mean, every year, you know, six or seven of your best friends get fired and. Yeah, but to be in the thought process is. Is always exciting. And hell, Tennessee was one that is really close to my heart. I almost did consider pulling a trigger there.

[Memes]

Yeah, you're talking about how coaches, they get. They get fired all the time. We're in that season where we start to speculate about what openings are going to be ready to go next season. Do you think that the NFL moves on from coaches too quickly? Sometimes I do.

[Jon Gruden]

I remember as a young coach, when I was coaching the Raiders in 1998, I went to the owners meetings and every owner and every head coach was in there. I was 34 years old. I look over there and there's Marty Schottenheimer. Over there is Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. Then you see Joe Gibbs, Bill Cower, and it just seemed every team. Tom Coughlin of the Jaguars, Tony Dungy, Tampa. Every team had a coach that was there for a period of years, Dan Reeves with the Falcons. And now they change coaches every year or two and they change offense and defensive coordinators like they change shirts. And I think that has a lot to do with the lack of quarterback consistency and development over time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What about. What about offensive coordinators? So if you're set. If you're a defensive head coach and you're setting up your staff, you want to get the best offense coordinator that you can, obviously. But then there's also the danger that if he performs too well at his job job, he's going to be hired as a head coach next season, then you have to go and find somebody else to fill that guy's shoes. Like, is that a double edged sword where it's like, he's the best guy for my team right now, but I also have to have a roster of guys that I'm ready to elevate.

[Jon Gruden]

That's a great point.

[Big Cat]

Great point.

[Jon Gruden]

That is a great point. You know, that's why the model that I learned growing up was with the 49ers. Bill Walsh called the place, was the head coach. Mike Coleman, who I worked for, was the head coach, called the place. So if you lose your coordinator, you're able to call the plays yourself. But when you're a defensive coach, and as you said, if you hire a hot shot coordinator, he's probably going to be gone. You better have somebody in your operation that has learned the system, that can teach the system and keep your system alive. If that guy leaves.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. This is a weird question, but I'm gonna ask a weird question. Did Mark Davis ever say, like, hey, I really like your haircut?

[Jon Gruden]

No, I said, I like your hair.

[Big Cat]

You should go, Mark Davis.

[Jon Gruden]

You know what, I get my 15, I get it dry and I let it fly and I move on. You know, he's wearing a hat and sunglasses, you know. But no, my hairstyle is. It's not really well thought through.

[Big Cat]

Devine. Mark Davis has. Do you ever think about it, like, hey, he might give me a couple extra million dollars if I just start going bullcut?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, he might.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

I don't know. It just, I never looked at it quite like that. But I have been criticized for my hair several times.

[Big Cat]

Did I ask you if you ever went to a PF Chang's with him?

[Jon Gruden]

I have.

[Big Cat]

You have. Tell us everything. We, this is our. We want to go to a PF Chang.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, in Oakland, there's a beautiful PF Chang. So not in Oakland. It's. It's a fancy part of town. I can't remember what it was called, but there's not a normal PF Chang's. It's like the killer PF Chang's. It's like the PF Chang is on steroids. And MD Walks in, he sits up there, he's got the same seat and he, they know exactly what he wants.

[Big Cat]

So he doesn't even order, they just bring it all.

[Jon Gruden]

They pretty much know what he wants. He absolutely is dialed in at PF Chang's. I mean, it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's really a Hell of a place. I learned to love it myself.

[Memes]

Did he drive you there in the van?

[Jon Gruden]

No, I think I met him there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

The van is another. That's a bucket list item for us.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. When we found out he drove that van. But, yeah, we. The PF Changs, like, we apparently goes there every day.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, the Bucks play the Raiders December 8th in Tampa. Maybe you guys should come down. Maybe MD will be there. There is a nice PF Chang's in Tampa.

[Big Cat]

Perhaps we did. We did get a verbal yes. We kind of accosted him at the Super Bowl. When we saw him in the lobby in Vegas, we were like, hey, come on the show. And he's like, okay. But I don't think it really stuck.

[Memes]

I think we could do maybe. Maybe we do a double dip. Maybe we go to PF Chang's and Hooters.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Memes]

So I did a bad job last time we had you on the show because we talked about your fired Football Coaches Association. Is that the correct name for ffc, the synthetic football team that you've built in a Tampa strip mall? I didn't know that you guys were essentially located in the headquarters of Hooters.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, at one time, we were. Now I'm not.

[Memes]

Okay?

[Jon Gruden]

I have my own standalone building. I've graduated to higher levels.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Jon Gruden]

But when Hooters came around, my dad was coaching for the Bucks. I needed a summer job, and Hooters just showed up. This is like 1986, and I got a job at the original Hooters in Clearwater, Florida. I was a wing shaker, oyster shucker, beer keg changer. Best job I ever had. Then I moved on to Hillsboro Hooters, the number two Hooters. I was a backup college quarterback at Dayton. And I remember getting on the plane, going to training camp, crying, I didn't want to leave Hooters, man. I just want to work at Hooters. My dad said, get your ass on a plane. I love Hooters shucking.

[Memes]

That's no joke. That's a. That's a tough job. They give you the glove, you can cut yourself off a little bit.

[Big Cat]

It is tough.

[Jon Gruden]

I mean, it's hard labor.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

But it probably makes.

[Jon Gruden]

Back in the day when Hooters was rolling, there wasn't a better place for me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Talking about the NFL this year, who in your mind is running the most innovative offensive stuff? Obviously, everyone knows Ben Johnson. He's talked about a lot, but who's maybe an under the radar guy? You're like, what? He's doing is some stuff that people are going to start copying a couple years down the line because that's really what the NFL ends up being is this copycat league.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, that's. That's something I've been looking for. I'm always. I have two servers in my office and I make cut ups. I'm looking for new concepts to teach and use. If I ever do coach or when players and coaches come in, what's going on? What are people doing in the red zone? Third down, short yardage. I was interested in Grubs. The guy that went to Seattle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Early in the year they were shredding people. And I still think they do some really cool things offensively in Seattle. I do like Ben Johnson because I recognize the offense. I like what Cliff Kingsbury has done.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

With Washington and when you have a guy like Daniels, you can call any play you want. But their usage of those backs, they use two at a time. McNichols, Eckler, Robinson, it doesn't matter. Rodriguez comes in and they do an excellent job with the ball distribution. I like teams that use the tight end, Zach Ertz, they got a go to receiver, McLaren, they can run the ball. They can do a lot. So I can't wait for tonight's game because I want to see Kingsbury, the offensive coordinator of Washington, against Vic Fangio, the D coordinator of Philly, who's done a hell of a job.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Fangio can coach defense.

[Memes]

And their defense, their defense has gotten a lot better over the course of the year too. So I don't know. I've heard a lot of people say that it's, you know, getting more comfortable with the system, especially the quarterbacks and the safeties, understanding what Vic Fangio is trying to do. Can you explain to us what that means? How a team can finally, like, understand the concepts of the system and feel comfortable with it?

[Jon Gruden]

You know what I think too is, well, Vic Fangio is a great teacher and he hired, I think, a very good defensive staff. And when you go watch teams practice, you can see the coaches that are better developing players and teaching their system than maybe others. Fangio has a lot of young players on this defense. They're emerging. I mean, Nolan Smith, nobody realizes he's starting the kid. The linebacker, Nakobe Dean, he's playing his butt off. Zach Bond is one of the best kept secrets in the league. He was an on the ball linebacker for the Saints. I don't ever remember him playing inside linebacker. A rookie corner Mitchell, a rookie nickel guy, Cooper DeJean A lot of young guys that are really kicking ass in this system. And I think a lot of it has to do with the simplicity of it. It's not over the. Not a ton of blitzes and 96 different coverages. But I also think he teaches effort. You know, he teaches guys how to tackle, taking proper angles. They're very detailed, they're very disciplined, and there are no exceptions. Yeah, Fangio is a hell of a coach and he's hired really good coaches to help him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And from the offensive coordinator side, we talked a little bit about Kingsbury, but I want to talk about Ben Johnson for a minute. So Ben Johnson, he was like the top, number one, hottest name head coach last offseason, decided to go back to Detroit. He's probably going to get even more money on the open market if he chooses to take a head coaching job job this year. But what is it that Ben Johnson does that's so innovative?

[Jon Gruden]

You know, he does a lot pre snap. What I love about Detroit is they win in the pre snap, meaning they'll change the tight end, they'll change the receiver, they'll motion two or three times before the ball is snapped, and they'll let Jared Goff pick a play. They're using the pre snap to recognize your defense. I call it rce. You recognize the defense, and when you know what defense they're in now, you communicate a play to beat that defense. And that's what leads to great levels of execution. I call it rce. Now. They're blessed. They have an excellent offensive line. They got a one, two punch in the backfield that's unbelievable. Those two cats are great. They got a great slot receiver who's a total badass the way he plays in blocks. I mean, you watch this guy play, he's like a Tommy Hearns. He's like a Hagler type guy. He'll get in the ring and kick your ass now. And with Jameson Williams, they got the guy that can turbo it over the top. And Goff, other than last week, hasn't been good. He's been great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he has. He's been like, perfect. So the Jets. I got a question about the Jets. There was a report this week that Jeff Ulbrich, the interim head coach, went back to the fundamentals of tackling this week. So they put the pads back on. He even gave a demonstration of tackling to start the practice. That's that. I mean, we already know the jets are in disarray, but what does that say when you have to do a fundamental of tackling. Did you ever do that as a coach, like, halfway through the season, like, hey, we got to learn how to tackle again.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, we try to emphasize tackling, and when you have a poor tackling game or a poor tackling month, you want to emphasize tackling. I'm surprised he came out and said that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Because your players, you know, they got a lot of pride in tackling. But the jets do have problems, and I had always said that their defense wasn't part of the problem, but I know Ulbrich is in charge of the defense. He expects a lot from the defense, and they didn't give it to him last week in Arizona, so I can understand his frustration.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. It's been interesting up there. It feels like they. They didn't really have much of a plan going into the season, or at least a plan for how to fix things.

[Big Cat]

So.

[Memes]

Have you ever been on a team that started out slowly and, you know, the media saying coaches lost the locker room, they're going to move on maybe in season firing for Coach Gruden? And have you ever turned a team like that around? And if you have, how did you. How did you take things from, you know, the brink of collapse to making everybody buy back in?

[Jon Gruden]

Well, I was a coach 15 years, so I've been a part of everything. My hands are dirty. You know, we've gone from first to worst. And, you know, there's a. There's a short, short, short way from the penthouse to the outhouse. But in this league right now, with the ability to change your team and free agency in the draft and your coaching staffs, you can flip it in a year. So we've gone from last to first in the NFC South. You got to have mental toughness, and I think you have to have a real bond in which. How you handle the media and what you're saying in public, you know, there's just too much out there right now. When the fire starts in your kitchen, if you start releasing all these statements, it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and it becomes an inferno. You can't stop. Yeah, but there's negativity in Chicago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's what's happening.

[Jon Gruden]

It's just a horrible thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

So I was always one of those guys that. I was always trying to stir the emotions, try to. I try to piss you off one day, make you laugh, make you cry, fire you up. I just think you got to keep everybody together, and it's us against the world. I think the great teams, the teams that come out of it are the teams that love the misery. And we used to talk about that. Don't you love that? We're 02. We're all beat up, we're tired, we're a ten point underdog. We got to go on the road. Our dog just shit in our yard. Certain teams love the opportunity to showcase how they can come out of it and certain teams don't.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you said it. The cracks after the commander's Hail Mary, like, it just. It was a report from five different guys doing media and it all looked bad and it was finger pointing and so if you were to coach the Bears, I want you to stay here at Barstool, but if you want to coach the Bears, I could. We could maybe get that worked out as well. If you were to coach the Bears, what would be the first thing you do to try to put Caleb Williams back on path? Because it feels like we're off the path right now. It feels like we're off the road and it's starting to kind of careen to a bad spot. What would be the first thing that you would tell him? Tell your team, Tell your offense? What would. What would be the first. Like, hey, this is the fundamentals we got to do.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, it's getting late to do that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, we're at the 10 week point of the season.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying more for next year.

[Jon Gruden]

I think the big thing you do is you have a private meeting with the guys you deem as your leaders, the defensive leadership, the offensive leadership, the eight or nine Chicago Bears that you're really saying. This is a heart and soul of our football team and we're going to get behind this quarterback and we got to spread that news downstairs and publicly, but we got to make this guy a great player. He is going to be a hell of a player unless we screw it up.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Jon Gruden]

Let's be honest with you. You've had a lot of guys come through here, but this guy's a unique talent. And right now he needs support, man. And he needs it the most from his coach and the blue chip leaders that we have on the team. Now. I don't know what kind of leadership they have on this Bear football team. Yeah, Briskers hurt. They got a bunch of guys from different teams. D.J. moore, Keenan Allen, everybody's the number one receiver. Swift is a new player. I think they're all searching for an identity, but we better figure it out. This is our guy right here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

And we got to get him to hand the ball off to swift. Play good defense, win a couple ugly games. The weather's getting shitty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

But you got to get excited about Caleb Williams and keep putting your arm around this guy and challenging him and helping him get through it.

[Big Cat]

What do you see on the tape? It's bad.

[Jon Gruden]

There's too much of him. You know, there's 40 times he's carried the ball. There's 40 times he's been sacked. I just encourage him, you know, to get rid of the ball. Sometimes the best play you can make is throwing the ball away because that's the only good play you could make.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

I think he's waiting for receivers to get open, and I think it's hurting him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

A lot of the sacks are on the quarterback holding the ball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You can't blame the offensive line for all these.

[Big Cat]

No, I agree. I agree. There's. It feels like mental lock that's. That's going on right now where it's like. It's a combination of guys not getting open, but even when they are open, he's not letting it rip.

[Jon Gruden]

I think they got to get him three for three to start the game. A quick pass. I'm not talking about quick screens either.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

I'm thinking there are different routes we can run, other than if I see one more quick screen.

[Big Cat]

You hate screens.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, I can't take them.

[Big Cat]

I hate him, too. I hate. I hate. I like running back screens. I hate wide receivers.

[Jon Gruden]

When you throw a bubble screen or a quick screen, I mean, how much. How many times you see Jerry Rice run a bubble screen?

[Memes]

Real routes.

[Jon Gruden]

No. You never saw Willie G. Run a bubble screen. You got these three Corvettes. I mean, Keenan Allen was a number one guy for the Chargers. DJ Moore is paid to be a number one guy. You draft a guy in the top 10 because you obviously think he's a number one guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Now let him run some routes and tell the quarterback to throw him the ball or get rid of the ball, but quit taking sacks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I've got no. Absolutely no data to back this up, but I feel like 99% of the time they run a quick screen to a wide receiver. It's tackled for a loss of a yard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, I feel like defensive backs have become too good at defending that screen pass where maybe now it doesn't have that same element of surprise that it used to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There's, like, a couple guys that I would feel comfortable in the entire NFL being like, yeah, that's a. Like Cleo Shakira.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He could run a Quick screen.

[Memes]

Rashid Shahid.

[Big Cat]

Rashid Shahid. He can run a quick.

[Memes]

There's a lot.

[Big Cat]

It just, it feels like sometimes offensive coordinators are like, oh, we haven't run a wide receiver screen in a while. Let's just do it to do it, Terry. And it's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Why? Why? Like, they just always get. Guys are just. And you have to. Also, you can't run them if your wide receivers aren't committed to blocking. That's the thing that drives me nuts. When you run a quick screen and the wide receiver is not blocking.

[Jon Gruden]

And then you run a fake quick screen and you act like you're blocking and you take off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, the playbook has become what you see on Friday night Football in high school. You start to see on Saturday, everybody's clapping their hands, running RPOs, and now you're starting to see that on Sunday. That's why it's a pleasure to watch the Lions. It's a pleasure to watch the Chiefs. You know, some of these offenses that are really doing it the old fashioned National Football League way. I think those are the teams you're going to be talking about about here in December.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And talking about the Chiefs, they just keep winning. They won't stop winning. No matter what position they're in, they're never dead. They figure out ways to win games, which I think is a mark of one. Just a really good football team, but mostly really, really, really good coaching that makes you pay attention to all those details. And I feel like with Hopkins, who is actually, I thought that he was like 35 years old. I looked up. He's 32, I think.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So he still got some years. And with Hopkins, I feel like the Chiefs earn as good a position to win the super bowl as they've ever been. Right now, given what they have, what do you see that the Chiefs are doing? Like, how have they evolved on offense in the post Tyreek Hill era?

[Jon Gruden]

You know, I did get to go there for about a week in training camp. Andy Reid invited me up there. And you're right, man, they got a great coaching staff. I mean, Dave Tobe, the special teams coach, Spagnolo, they get all the ink because they're the coordinators. I'm talking about the position coach. Their drills, their team periods, their competitiveness on the practice field. Their organization is phenomenal. They're winning games in their preparation. Fans don't see them on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, they have a contingency plan. If they lose this player, we're going to play like this. If we lose this player, we'll play like this. If the left tackle isn't quite ready, we'll help them, we'll do this. But they do have a well orchestrated contingency plan. I think they're only getting, getting stronger. Pacheco's coming back on the practice field. Juju Smith Schuster's back. The last time he played he had over 100 yards against the Saints. And they're going to get a menahue, a very good pass rusher back. So I think they're going to get stronger and stronger. But you know what they do is they just kill you with their preparation, their contingency planning for if it doesn't go the way they want and their mental toughness. They got a great coach, they got a great quarterback and a great kicker and their defense is on fire.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they are. I mean, it doesn't matter how you win, doesn't matter how many you win by, you just keep winning. And Mahomes feels like that guy where every Chiefs game kind of goes the same, where it's like, you know, their offense looks a little clunky and then there's a third and eight and he'll find a way to get it.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, the thing that's really startling is how quick he's throwing the ball. You don't see him throw the ball over 20 yards in a game sometimes. And here's Pat Mahomes. I had him on Gruden's QB camp. He can throw better left handed than I can right handed. I mean this guy's a magician. I mean he can really wing it. Yeah, but you don't see seam patterns. Go balls deep, breaking routes. Everything has been quick. But they are converting 52% on third down, which is way better than everybody else statistically. And I just think they're, they're about to explode.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

So Gruden QB camp, which you got to bring it back. Maybe that's part of what happens with Barstool here. Was there ever a guy who you walked away from, you're sitting doing film and you're like, I don't think that guy's got it. And then he went in and ended up being a great pro.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, I did 63 shows.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

So we had a lot of quarterbacks come down the pikes, you know. No, not really. You know, there were a few guys that came in and said, damn, I like that guy.

[Big Cat]

Who were those?

[Jon Gruden]

Well, I mean, I loved Russell Wilson when he came in out of NC State. We made fun of, well, Wisconsin.

[Big Cat]

He came out of Wisconsin.

[Jon Gruden]

Wisconsin. But I just, I was, I was smitten with him. Matter of fact, I got to talk to Pete Carroll during the draft process and they had just signed Tavares Jackson. They had Flynn.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

And he asked me about Russell Wilson. I said, if you take this kid and I said, if you bring him into your team and give him a chance, he'll beat both those guys out. And that's just what he did. The other guy I love was Kirk Cousins.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

And I still stay in touch with Kirk Cousins.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

And they drafted RG3 in the first round. I remember telling Bruce Allen, I said that this guy's going, this guy's, this guy's a Sunbits now. Be careful and look where he is.

[Memes]

Yeah, he's had a great career.

[Jon Gruden]

Great career.

[Memes]

Fantastic career. He got paid a lot of money, too.

[Jon Gruden]

He really has. And when I watch him play, there's not many guys that stand in there and take shots and deliver strikes like Cousins. I mean, I love that about him. Always have.

[Memes]

I remember in Groon's QB camp, was it. Was it Jimmy Clawson you got pissed off at?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, probably, yeah.

[Memes]

I think you said there was a route that his receiver wrong ran that was incorrect, and he told you that, and you're like, you can't fucking tell me that that's your fault. Take accountability. So as a coach, sometimes receivers screw up, right? They mess up. Everybody messes up. And an interception might not necessarily be on a quarterback, but you always want to see your quarterback say, hey, that's my fault. I didn't do a good enough job communicating what you should have done. Is that fair?

[Jon Gruden]

It is fair. I think the quarterback has to be bulletproof, at least the ones that are great, that I've been around now in privacy. The coach and the quarterback, they address those issues. But, you know, you got to coach body language. I think I got to coach Dan on his body language.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, I'm thinking right now he's getting mad at me. He's getting mad at me because. Very doom and gloom.

[Jon Gruden]

You don't want to see your quarterback, you know, pointing fingers and blaming guys. I don't think it's healthy. So you got to control your emotions. You got to be an Assassin, man. You got to really have. Have a very thick mental toughness about you. And some do and some don't.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah. So going back to your time in Green Bay when you were coaching Brett Favre, one of the best arms of all time. Just incredible. Took a lot of chances, did you? How was that coaching him? When he would go off script and take some of these chances, throw these interceptions, and you're like, what the are you doing, Brett? But you knew that, you know, ultimately the good was going to outweigh the bad.

[Hank]

Him.

[Jon Gruden]

I was coaching receivers. I didn't coach Farf, okay? But I can. I can. I was the signal guy back then. We didn't have the walkie talkie. I would signal two Jet, Dino Y Shallow Cross, and he had to memorize the formations. He struggled with that. But I can still remember Mike Colmgren, the head coach, when Favre was scrambling, he'd be saying, no, no.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Jon Gruden]

Great job, Brett. And then he'd be saying, no, no, no. What the hell? To your point, the first couple years, a lot of growing pains, but Favre, he had a triple X pouch, man. This guy had. This guy had. He had big balls, man. He was afraid of nobody. He was as tough as hell, and he had a rocket. And he tried to prove it in every drill, every period. He tried to wow you and he broke a lot of our receivers, hands, face masks. He had a rocket.

[Big Cat]

Are you. We had this debate. Not debate, but I pointed out that I like my quarterbacks to throw a couple interceptions. I want, like, I don't like when a quarterback gets late in the season, it's like, oh, they have no interceptions. That means they're not taking the risks. Is that a crazy thought to have? Like, are there some interceptions that you're like, you know what, we can live with that because you're trying to make the big play. And if you keep trying to make the big play, it will happen.

[Jon Gruden]

I love this conversation. I hope you're having fun. You know what, when you're coaching aggressiveness with your offense, you got a guy like Favre and you got Sterling Sharp out there running routes, there's an understanding and trust. Hey, I'm the receiver coach. If you throw the ball, if he throws the ball to us and it's tight, he's giving you a chance.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Jon Gruden]

So there's only three things that are going to happen, Big Cat. You're going to be a savage and you're going to go catch the damn ball. That's why we're paying you too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Secondly, you're going to make damn sure he doesn't get it. You're going to play defensive back and make sure it's incomplete. Or third, you're going to be like Academy Award winner. You're going to get me that pass interference penalty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

But I think you got to have a real careful understanding and I think that's what the Bears problem is a little bit is do you trust that Keenan Allen? Do you not trust Keenan Allen?

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Jon Gruden]

Throw him the ball when it's tight, he's going to catch it, he's going to make sure it's not intercepted and he's going to get a couple fouls.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson going to that Steelers offense. You've seen it with George Pickens. He's going to give his guys a chance and like, like, yeah, there might be some interceptions, but now his guys are more locked in and they know they can go get those jump balls, those moon balls. And their offenses look totally different.

[Jon Gruden]

And when you watch Kansas City early in the season, they threw a bomb to Worthy, their fast receiver from Texas. And I know you remember the play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Cam Taylor Britt of the Bengals makes a one handed interception and everybody's like, oh, what a great interception. You know what, you know what they were saying in Kansas City? They were pissed At Worthy. Because what didn't he do?

[Memes]

Go attack the ball.

[Jon Gruden]

You don't let anybody intercept it. And I think that's one of the reasons Kansas City is a little bit reluctant to give him a ton of 50, 50 opportunities. Yeah, they used to do that with Desean Jackson.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

But Deejack, he would go up there and he would tip it away from somebody. And I just think these are little behind the scene things that young quarterbacks, they got to have confidence in their receivers. They will make you right one way or another.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What about what's going on in Los Angeles with the Chargers? Because we love Coach Harbaugh. He's one of our favorite people. That man. His blood type is football. That's all he thinks about. He loves Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert's been looking pretty good. And the defense is playing at just an otherworldly clip right now. What has Harbaugh done to that team to remake them and to reimagine the Chargers over the span of one year?

[Jon Gruden]

Well, he's come in there and given him confidence. You know, I think he's walked in there and they've changed the whole dynamic of how they practice. They never ran the ball in charger land. I mean, I don't know what the rushing stats were last year, but you could go two or three games and not see 10 or 15 carries. This is now a smash mouth running team. Forget about Herbert for a second. You don't know who their receivers are. I mean, their leading receiver is McConkey, a slot receiver. They really aren't a pass first team and they're not a pass second team. They are running the ball, possessing the ball and trusting their defense. He just has brought a lot of confidence and physicality to their team. And defensively, 13.1 points per game. Big Cat and I were talking earlier though. They, they have not beat many quality quarterbacks. This will be a good test for him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he went down the list of quarterbacks and it was not. It was Gardner Minshew. It was Justin Fields. It wasn't. It wasn't lighting the world on fire.

[Memes]

Did you ever do a post game handshake with Coach Harbaugh?

[Jon Gruden]

I don't think so. I think I was in the booth when he was in the NFL. I just competed against his brother. But you love coaches that compete. I think that permeates into the locker room if your coach is fiery and he's competitive and banging on your shoulder pads and taking snaps in pregame warm up. He loves football. He loves to compete. He's a badass. And I think the Chargers in some way are emulating their coach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. It's culture.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, it sure is.

[Big Cat]

You need that culture, and you have guys want to go, like, you know, take someone's head off.

[Jon Gruden]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's what the Chargers feel like. They're just a tough football team. But you do also still believe in the Bengals and maybe making a run.

[Jon Gruden]

Here, which I just believe in a quarterback. Big Cat. I mean, watching that game last week, that was the best single game played this year by a quarterback, in my opinion.

[Memes]

And I think second best might have been his other game against the River.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, might have been. He's running around more than you think. He's not just your typical pocket passer. He's getting out of trouble. He's running for first downs, and he. He can see the whole field. He's got great peripheral vision, and he has no wasted motion when he throws the ball. I really am impressed with him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. So you think that the Bengals might be. We may have buried the Bengals prematurely.

[Jon Gruden]

I think the Bengals, if their defense gets going a little bit, and with the return of Higgins, I think they can be a problem. I do know this, though. They miss Joe Mixon. They miss Joe Mixon's receiving skills. I think in some of these check downs, I'm used to seeing mixing come out of the trash.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Another team you mentioned that I think is going a little under the radar, but they have been playing great football is the Arizona Cardinals. What are they doing? Because I. You know, I didn't. I thought they were going to be an okay team. I didn't think they were going to be sitting at the top of the NFC west in November. But they're. They're a legit team, and it feels like they have everything clicking.

[Jon Gruden]

I know. I hate their uniforms. You know, there's something about. It's either red on red, and I just.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

But they get Harrison, the receiver from Ohio State. Connor's a good back. I can't even tell you who their other running back is, but he is a beast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

McBride is a hell of a tight end.

[Big Cat]

Incredible.

[Jon Gruden]

And Kyler Murray's playing great. You talk about quick. And their defense, they have my favorite player, Buddha Baker. Jonathan Gannon has done a nice job with the defense. He stayed in his wheelhouse. And offensively, they're a problem because they're balanced. And they've already beaten The San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco. They're dangerous.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I love watching James Connor run With the football too.

[Big Cat]

He's so upright, very upright.

[Memes]

It's crazy, but he gets shit done.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, but I can't even tell you who the backup running back is. I can just tell you this on the flight down here. I said, I better find out more about this guy because he's, he's, he's a load all.

[Memes]

Also how I always assume it's just. What's his name? Yeah, that's right.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, J. Oh, you got Trey Benson as well.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, it's not Trey Benson.

[Big Cat]

It's DeMarcusato. Yeah, or DJ Dallas.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh, it's DeMarcato.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. What, how much, how many hours of tape do you watch a week?

[Jon Gruden]

Probably too much early in the week, you know, when you get the tape, you know, they got the FedEx guy, he knocks on the door, it's like Tuesday morning or Monday night, you're like, hey, there's a tape. And I, my assistant, Jeff Leonardo.

[Big Cat]

Wait, they send the tape. You don't just have it on your computer?

[Jon Gruden]

Well, I, you know, I don't want to get into all that. I, I pay a lot of money to get my tape.

[Big Cat]

Okay, got it, got it, got it. I actually, you know what? I know now. You got the tape.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah. You know, when I do get to tapes, I get so excited. I actually have a notepad and I'll write down, like, I'll go over the stats. Who had double digit tackles, who had interceptions, who got the sack, who had the explosive plays, you know, who did this, who did that. And I would, I'll start making reels to see how they did it right. And it's an obsession. And then when I was doing my little YouTube channel, Gruden loves football, I always pick three or four games a week. And I really tried to dig in on those two teams and learn all their players and some of the key matchups. I just love it, man. I love it.

[Big Cat]

I can tell you.

[Memes]

I love that. You get tape FedEx to your place of business on Tuesday mornings.

[Big Cat]

Does your wife ever, like, hey, can you stop watching so much tape?

[Jon Gruden]

My wife, when I got fired by Tampa, I had an office at my house and I had my little projector. And back then we had the beta tapes. And I'd have coaches coming in the office at 6am My wife would come downstairs in her pajamas. She didn't go for this. You got to get out of here, get all your stuff. So I bought a building. I rented a building. Yeah, eventually I bought a building. And when you guys come down.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I can't wait.

[Jon Gruden]

You guys will freaking like it.

[Memes]

I am. I'm pumped to see that. So when you're watching tape, I know you get excited about guys. I've seen you get really excited watching football. Do you still get mad? Do you get mad watching a football team? If they're not. If there's guys on the team. So what's the last team that made you mad?

[Jon Gruden]

Well, to be honest with you, the Bears made me mad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, I just have high expectations for the kind of roster they have. I mean, skill wise. And I'm not just talking about the coaching or the coordinator or the play calling. The players are not making me happy. I saw a guy run an out route and sit down while the play is going on.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, that kind of rubbed me very bad. The jets have made me upset. You know, I. You know, I put my. I put a lot of stock in this quarterback, Rogers. I think he's one of the best I've ever seen play. You know, he had an injury last year. He's coming back. Their protection hasn't been good. Their running game hadn't been good. Their body language is horrific. I get upset.

[Memes]

Yeah, we do this with every guest that we have. First time we have him in the studio, it's questions from a third grader. So this is from a third grade class in Dripping Springs, Texas. And this is Amy. This is Amy. She's in third grade. She wants to know, Coach Gruden, what's your favorite color?

[Jon Gruden]

Color, Amy? I love purple. Purple, okay.

[Memes]

The color of royalty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Good answer. Coach Gruden, what did you want to be when you grew up?

[Jon Gruden]

I wanted to be a coach. My dad was a coach, so I've been around coaching my whole life, and I knew I wasn't going to be a good enough player. So I said, man, maybe one day I can be a coach.

[Memes]

I like that. And then her third question. Actually, it's not. Not really questioned. Amy says, coach Gruden, I agree. Roger Goodell is an anti football pussy.

[Big Cat]

He got.

[Memes]

Amy knows ball.

[Jon Gruden]

Amy, Amy, tell me where I can get a new haircut.

[Big Cat]

Good job, Amy.

[Memes]

Yeah, Amy's a. Listen, she. She's a big fan, so.

[Jon Gruden]

Amy loves you.

[Memes]

Listen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, so give me the list of teams right now that can win the super. We have our list. I want to see how it matches up.

[Jon Gruden]

How many teams?

[Big Cat]

I think we have what, five, six?

[Jon Gruden]

Give me five.

[Memes]

Let's run through it. We have the Eagles. We had the Lions in the nfc. We had The Bills, the Chiefs, the Ravens.

[Big Cat]

And if the Steelers play this weekend, maybe the Steelers get. Get put into that.

[Jon Gruden]

Well, you can't. You can't make that list. I was at the Bucks 49er game last week, and with McCaffrey back and Juwan Jennings back, I was telling Big Cat they're going to be a hard offense to stop because Mason, the backup running back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Hell, he's leading the league and rushing down there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

So you got. And Purdy is a lot better quarterback when you see him live. This guy is strong. He's. He's loose. He's gutty, man. Gritty. Love him. And I think their defense, although they're missing some key guys, I don't know if there's safety. Hufanga is coming back or not, but if he comes back, I love the 49ers.

[Big Cat]

49Ers added to the list. Did we miss any others?

[Memes]

They might have the best fullback.

[Jon Gruden]

We talk about Arizona.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Arizona.

[Jon Gruden]

You know, somebody's going to come out of the West.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Somebody's going to come out of the west and someone's going to win that division and get a home playoff game.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Jon Gruden]

Who's it going to be? Yeah, who's it going to be? It's going to be Arizona, in my opinion, but I really think it's going to be the 49ers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Okay. All right. And you think the Bills. What do the Bills have to do to get over that hump?

[Jon Gruden]

I think the Bills need Milano back. I think they need to get healthy on defense. The big thing with the Bill Bills is Von Miller. Are you really Von Miller? You know, if Von Miller and Rousseau and the fourth quarter pass rush, Ed Oliver. If they can get that fourth quarter pass rush humming. That's what bothered me against the Dolphins two weeks ago is I thought that pass rush would just eat up TUA and it didn't happen. I think they got to get that pass rush revved up and they could be. They could seriously be a problem if they do.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. I have one last question. This has been great, Coach. We're so excited that you're here with us. Rollback question, rk.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rock.com promo code. Take last question. We know it's football number one. What other sports are you watching? Because I heard a rumor that you watch all the sports.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, I love sports. I love the Cincinnati Reds when I was growing up, so I love Baby Matter of fact, I'm going to Arizona to see Tony Larussa. We're having a wounded warrior service dog event. Love baseball. And I do love basketball. I was Bobby Knight's ball boy. I just don't like the three point shot. I think it's too much.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Jon Gruden]

It's way too much three points. And I like golf. Oh, I do like golf. I got the caddy for John Daley one time.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's incredible.

[Memes]

So tell that story real quick, because I remember when it happened. Happened. There was a rain delay, right?

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And so you're hanging out. John Daly goes over the Hooters tent.

[Jon Gruden]

I was up at the Hooter Owls Nest, they call it. I was just having some beers. I was coaching Tampa, relaxing. Lightning bolt. They suspend play. So Daley comes up with this caddy, and this rain delay goes on and on and on. It gets cold and it's wet. It appears like the tournament's over. So the caddy had a couple cocktails. I guess he. He was off. I had a dailies bib on. I was wearing his bib. We were meeting fans, taking pictures, and the tournament director came back and he says, Mr. Daly, you got 15 minutes to get in position. We're going to play four or five more holes before it gets dark. So we go up and hit balls. And Daly looks at me and he says, well, you're wearing a bib. Let's go. So I carried his bag, and I had been in this Hooter Owl nest drinking a few beers. I had to pee like a rhinoceros. I got this bag, and there's like 14 diet cokes in there. There umbrella thing. Weighed 100 pounds.

[Big Cat]

And we're on like the 16th.

[Jon Gruden]

I only did it for three holes. I'm like the 16th tall. I. The caddies pee on the course. I don't know. Are there bathrooms out here? So I had to go pee. And then we come up on the 17th hole where the owl's nest was. That's one of the holes we played. And all my friends had stayed around. Everybody was gone. There was no fans left. And the fans started going, kd. I said, I'm going to get ripped for this. And sure enough, on the Golf Channel, they destroyed me for not having any etiquette and not having any.

[Memes]

Well, how'd you do with the club selection? How did. How did John Daly shoot in those last holes?

[Jon Gruden]

I can't remember. I was nervous, but I did not get near the green. I just stayed over there by the bag. I didn't try to go up there and read putts or anything like that. That was a great experience. I love daily.

[Memes]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

The owl's nest. Yeah, we gotta go to the owl.

[Memes]

I gotta spend some time with the owls nest.

[Big Cat]

All right. Well, coach, we're excited for everything we got coming up with you and barstool. People are going to listen to this on Friday, but the stream tonight is. I don't think you're ready. Just so you know. And this could look stupid in restaurant. I don't think you're ready. PFD is a diehard commanders fan, but he's a respectable like football watcher. The mutant we have in that booth. Max.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, I've heard about Max.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he is. He is going to shock you with some of the stuff and you're probably going to see his ass cross. He has a problem with his ass.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of that in Philadelphia.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, so you're going to. So. But like he's. He might cry, he might scream. He's Italian. He's fiery.

[Memes]

He might spit on you.

[Big Cat]

Accidentally spit on you. So just. Yeah, you might have to wear like a poncho.

[Jon Gruden]

Max, control yourself. Max, don't peek too early, man. We got plenty of time before kickoff.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll be good before kickoff. But once the. Once a whistle starts, I got no problem. Is confirmed 100%. You will see my ass cracks.

[Big Cat]

He said he's good for now, but once the whistle. Whistle blows, he's ready to go.

[Memes]

You got a score prediction even though this is coming out tomorrow. So you might look stupid with your prediction, but what do you have?

[Jon Gruden]

I'm going with the Philadelphia Eagles 2720.

[Memes]

I love it. I love it. Everyone, everyone. Clean sweep. Everyone has predicted the.

[Big Cat]

No. Hank.

[Memes]

Hank doesn't count.

[Big Cat]

Hank has a command.

[Memes]

Hank doesn't count. Hank does not count.

[Big Cat]

All right, well, thanks so much, coach.

[Jon Gruden]

Thank you, guys. Love you.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, let's wrap up Fire fest of the week. Henry.

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is one that's probably tmi. I, I don't. It's just actively going on in my head, so I'll share it on this podcast with you guys in the world. I feel like it's. I know the answer. That it's a sign that I'm going through somewhat of a midlife crisis. I have been spending a lot of time thinking about. Because I bought my car that I have now. It's in perfectly fine condition. I have been spending a lot of time thinking about selling it, the out Audi and then leasing a really nice car.

[Memes]

Yeah. Like, really nice.

[Hank]

Yeah. And, and I also, again, like, this is. I'm 31 years old. I probably should have figured out this point at this point in my life. I've never been really good with. I have good credit, but I don't. I've never had a credit card that's like, gets really good points of rewards and, like, miles and stuff, which I want. That's something I want to do. So it's like, why not open a line of credit with good points, pay the lease off with that, and have a nice car?

[Big Cat]

So the midlife crisis, you think this car will fix it?

[Hank]

That's kind of. That's, that's where I've been. Like, why do I want to do this? Fuck. I think you're having a midlife crisis. Fuck.

[Big Cat]

But, like, I do think you're having a midlife crisis.

[Hank]

I do, kind of.

[Memes]

What kind of.

[Big Cat]

You also think it might if it. Here's. That's.

[Hank]

It won't.

[Big Cat]

Why I asked the question. If you think it will fix it, you should do it. If you think it will just be like, shit, I got the car and I still can't find happiness in my heart, then we got other issues.

[PFT Commenter]

You just got this car.

[Hank]

I, I, I preface this by saying I understand the situation.

[Big Cat]

Are you going to sell it to memes?

[Hank]

No memes.

[Jon Gruden]

I'm.

[Hank]

I probably. I sell it to someone else that works here.

[Memes]

You know what, Hank? I think you should do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Why not?

[Memes]

Is it going to make you happy?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Okay, well, I will, I will take even, like, 1% less grumpy Hank.

[Big Cat]

Is it? But I want you to be happy.

[Hank]

I haven't been grumpy lately.

[Big Cat]

I want, I. Have you been grumpy lately?

[Hank]

I don't think so. I feel like I've been good.

[Big Cat]

The only time you should have said, I think so. Yeah.

[Memes]

The only time Hank is truly happy not counting on the golf course is when he is pissing somebody else off.

[Hank]

False. But that's fine. That's fine. That's.

[Big Cat]

I don't think you've been that grumpy recently. I do think you're going through a midlife crisis. The problem with the car purchase, which I'm fully supportive of because I want you to be happy, is that if you buy it and then you're still going through the midlife crisis, what's next? Right? Whereas if you just don't buy it, you could always be like, oh, well, maybe the car would have fixed it. Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't know.

[Memes]

I don't know the answer.

[Hank]

I probably am not going to do anything about it. I don't. Probably. That's why I said I didn't even need to share it. But it is. It's the only fire fest that's stewing in my brain of like, why do I even. Why am I even thinking?

[Memes]

What if?

[Hank]

There's no. It's.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[Hank]

There's no reason for me to even be going down this road. But I've spent. I'm researching. I'm going to test drive some stuff this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Oh, hell yeah. Test driving is so much fun.

[Memes]

What are you looking at?

[PFT Commenter]

You're done then if you test drive, you're gonna. You're gonna.

[Big Cat]

It's done.

[Memes]

What are you gonna look at, Hank?

[Big Cat]

Well, I.

[Hank]

Don't spoil it.

[Big Cat]

Also, Elise does not make financial Beamer.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I heard. I heard a different. Different brand.

[Hank]

From who?

[Big Cat]

I heard a Lambo. People were saying.

[PFT Commenter]

A lamb talking.

[Big Cat]

People were saying, steve will do. It's gonna give you a Lambo.

[Memes]

I heard Hanks doing a Porsche cyber.

[Big Cat]

Who said Porsche? Porsche. Hank. I don't think this is gonna solve anything, but I'm supportive.

[Memes]

Of course. Not gonna solve anything, but it could.

[Big Cat]

Be fun, like, because I drive a nice car, but it doesn't. I don't even think about it. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't. It's not like I'm happy every time.

[Hank]

You have a nice car, not a sick car.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait a minute.

[Big Cat]

I gotta get a new lease.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Damn. Why?

[PFT Commenter]

What makes a damn.

[Big Cat]

All right, all right. We're going to have a car off. Hank.

[Memes]

What if you put. Took. If you took all this energy that you've got Going into looking at new cars. And you put that into fixing up.

[Hank]

V. I've also been. That's. I mean, that's in the works. We're. We're. We're looking good with that.

[Big Cat]

Are we?

[Hank]

I've also. I've also just. Like, I did. I ended up nuking all my clothes. I got rid of, like, 75% of my clothes. I'm completely redesigning, like, my office room and just getting rid of a bunch of shit. So it's. It's. It's a overall situation that's happening where I'm just like, get rid of everything. Get new stuff, feel better. I don't know.

[Memes]

Okay, so what else would go in this midlife crisis? Tattoos. You think about getting more tattoos?

[Hank]

No, no.

[Memes]

Different apartment.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm so confused about this car. What kind of Beamer is this? If it's that much better than big cats car. I don't think you understand how car work. Cars work.

[Hank]

It's sicker. It's just. If you put them next to each other, it's like, yeah, that's a. That's a nice car. That's a sick car.

[Memes]

If you got, like, a Subaru, what the.

[PFT Commenter]

What kind of car is it?

[Big Cat]

Well, I also. I mean, I do shopping around. I do have three car seats in my car, so that. That lowers the sickness factor of it.

[Memes]

What if you got, like, a Subaru wrx, just like a fast car?

[Hank]

No, that'd be bad.

[Memes]

Racing car car.

[Big Cat]

Get a Lambo.

[Hank]

I don't like Lambos.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I think you go Porsche Cayenne.

[Big Cat]

All right, well, I'm.

[Memes]

We'll see.

[Hank]

I'm probably gonna do nothing. Like I said, this was probably, Like, I sometimes am. Like, why did I say that on a podcast that so many people listen to when I'm probably gonna do nothing?

[Big Cat]

No, you're gonna do it. You're test driving cars. You gotta. Are you going to multiple dealerships?

[Hank]

No.

[Jon Gruden]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

Because I was gonna say the best part about getting a new car and test driving cars is you go, like.

[Hank]

Is my leasing thought correct? That's probably where people are. Make your fucking.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's kind of leasing.

[Memes]

It's kind of a waste of money.

[Big Cat]

But you get.

[Memes]

You get sick cars.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it doesn't.

[Memes]

Wait, what do you mean? You get credit.

[Hank]

You build up your credit.

[Big Cat]

But it's stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you talking about, like, credit card points? Are you talking, like, building your credit score?

[Hank]

Both. Both have making payments.

[PFT Commenter]

You know that if you finance a car, you also.

[Hank]

I paid for my car in Cash.

[PFT Commenter]

But you could also go buy a car and finance it, and that would also.

[Hank]

Yeah, but what if this is a midlife crisis in, like, a year? I want a different car.

[Big Cat]

That's the. That's what I was gonna say. I lease a car, but it's. I know it's stupid financially, but I like to be like, I could have a new option in two and a half years.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, do that.

[Memes]

Hank, if you. If you buy a car, can you. Can you have me do the negotiation?

[Hank]

I'm not gonna buy.

[Big Cat]

Well, what I was saying is, Hank, you need to go to a couple dealerships. You need to go to a place where you know you're probably not going to buy it just so you can negotiate. Negotiate. Because it's so awesome negotiating at a car dealership knowing that you're not probably not going to buy that car unless they just go crazy low. Yeah.

[Memes]

I love. I love negotiating.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It is my favorite thing in the world.

[Big Cat]

Just walk out.

[Memes]

You just. With them.

[Hank]

We'll see.

[PFT Commenter]

I needed you.

[Memes]

Yeah. Listen, I.

[PFT Commenter]

You got my warrant.

[Memes]

I will provide that service. As a former. Former car salesman, it's my favorite thing in the world to go in there. There. And then just. Just ask them for all the Cokes they have.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Give me another. So I don't.

[Big Cat]

I would. Whenever I only bought a new car, like, me twice, but whenever I've done it, I've had, like, my options. Like, it's like one through five, and the fifth one, I'll go. And I'll be like, if they offer me this deal, I'll do it. And it's a crazy deal, and it's the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. When I got my car, the guy kept telling. He kept telling me the warranty, and he kept. And I kept being like, no, like, I'm just gonna get the lowest one. And they just kept asking me why.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Why aren't you getting the. The higher one?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I had no good answer. So eventually I was like, yeah, give me the higher.

[Jon Gruden]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's how they get you.

[PFT Commenter]

The finance asked me five times, why don't you want. Why don't you want this warranty?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I had no answer.

[Memes]

You got to secure your own financing. Have that ready to go when you walk in, because they'll do that. Either they'll you over, then they take you.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a great price on the actual.

[Memes]

And then the guy keeps walking back and forth to his manager. Let me see if I can do that. Let me see if I can do that. It's a great process. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

[Big Cat]

All right. PF to your firefest.

[Memes]

My good luck.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Memes]

My fire fest of the week is.

[Hank]

That stay tuned for nothing.

[Memes]

Mike Tyson put me into an existential crisis.

[Big Cat]

What's going on in this podcast?

[Memes]

Have you guys seen the interview with Mike Tyson and the little girl?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

Can we pull it up and we can watch it here? Here? So ahead of the fight, Mike Tyson's doing press. They had a child reporter interview Mike Tyson. And he gave her answers that are definitely not meant for. For like a child. But he also made me think a lot about, like, what is life.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

In a very dark way.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

God damn career.

[Big Cat]

What type of legacy would you like.

[Memes]

To leave behind when it's all said and done, man? I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I don't believe in the word legacy. I just think that's another word for ego. Legacy doesn't mean nothing. That's just some word everybody grabbed onto. Someone said that word and everyone grabbed on the words and I was used every five seconds. It means absolutely nothing to me. I'm just passing through. I'm gonna die and it's gonna be over. Who cares about legacy after that? What a big ego. So I'm gonna die. I want people to think that I'm this. I'm great, I'm nowhere, nothing. We dead with dust. This is absolutely nothing. Our legacy is nothing.

[Memes]

Well, thank you so much for sharing that.

[PFT Commenter]

That is something he's all the way.

[Big Cat]

Back not heard before. Someone say that as an answer. Can you really imagine somebody say, I want my legacy to be this way when I. You're dead. Why do you want. You think somebody really wants to think about you? How? How? What's the audacity? I think I want people to think about me when I'm gone. Who the fuck cares about me when I'm gone? For my kids, Maybe a grandkids. Oh, incredible. That's such a good class.

[Memes]

It actually does make me think that Mike Tyson might be able to do it like he is. He's in a dark. No fucks given place right now.

[Big Cat]

He's just talking to a kid about death. Yeah.

[Memes]

She's like, wow, cool. I've never heard of you. I've never heard that perspective before. I mean, credit to the interviewer. She did. Yeah. She did a great job rolling with it.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out. I am Jack Aziz, World TV on Tick tock.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[Memes]

But that tells me Mike Tyson is. He is locked in right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's all the way back okay. My fyre fest is. There's a. I think there's a word for it. Karma. Everyone in my house has been waking up at 5:45 in the morning since something happened two weeks ago.

[Memes]

What happened two weeks ago?

[Big Cat]

We changed clocks. Yeah, Stella, all three of my kids. Every morning I've been getting up so goddamn early. So I deserve that.

[Memes]

Why don't you get blackout curtains?

[Big Cat]

I do. I have. Dude, we have everything. We. It's. There's nothing. I changed the lights, I changed the. The. The. What time the thing goes off. We changed the thing going off in my son's room. It's till 6:30. He still came in at 6:30 this morning. Said, hey, my light changed. I'm. Can I play? And I said, yeah. And then he goes back. And then I don't go back to sleep.

[Memes]

Can somebody explain to me why we change the clocks?

[Big Cat]

Well, I'll let you know when we do it on Saturday night.

[Memes]

Okay?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Everyone keeps saying one of the World Wars.

[Hank]

The 5 o'clock pitch darkness is.

[Memes]

Is depressing the worst when you go to work in the dark and then you leave and it's dark outside.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, you go to work in the light.

[Memes]

Yeah, but sometimes, depending how early you get up. I've had jobs where I went to work when it was dark and then you step out and it's still.

[Big Cat]

But I'd rather go to work in the dark and be. Have it be light when I get out of work. Yeah, that'd be a lot better. Yeah. I'm living in hell. We're just. We have not adjusted in my house. We're. I'm living in Arizona or that little part of Indiana. We just haven't changed it.

[Memes]

There's no, no good reason why we do this. Stop it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Max, you got something?

[PFT Commenter]

Just that next week is going to be absolute disaster.

[Big Cat]

Oh, why? It's not like you're pitching against Beep. A really good, A really good team.

[Memes]

Someone said the best.

[Big Cat]

I think we should post a picture after with the team we pitched. So people get hyped up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the PMTV this week was my bullpen that I did yesterday to get. Get ready for what? How fast do you think my fastest pitch was?

[Big Cat]

60, 64. Oh boy. That's going to be a lot of home runs.

[Memes]

How fast do you think batting practice is?

[PFT Commenter]

Usually about 60.

[Memes]

About exactly what you throw.

[Big Cat]

Well, good news is you do have four outfielders, so that's a little bit of advantage. The bad news is the four outfielders are me, Brandon, Hank, And Jerry. So you have three and a half. You have three outfielders? Well, I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I. 3.

[Big Cat]

Brandon's got in better shape, but Brandon also could easily, like, the sun better not be out that day.

[Memes]

Brandon doesn't do well outside.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is it. Where do you want us positioned? Me and Hank and center. Yeah, I guess center right and center left.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then the Jerry and Jerry and PFTs.

[Hank]

Jerry played baseball?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Jerry played baseball.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good. That's good to know. I didn't know that.

[Memes]

The catching thing. Max, it sucks. I'm not. I don't have a big frame for you to aim for. I apologize for that.

[PFT Commenter]

That's fine.

[Memes]

I'm gonna try to wear the biggest equipment I possibly can. In our bullpen session that we had yesterday, I noticed you got a little bit of movement.

[PFT Commenter]

That's all I'm trying.

[Memes]

And Max tried to say that he was gonna have four pitches, like a two seamer and a four seamer. Like, what do you think the difference between your two seamer and your four seam? Fast movement. Love that movement. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm only throwing the. I'm never throwing the four seamer. There's no point.

[Memes]

Okay. And then you said that the. You've got a curveball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Memes]

How do we feel about that?

[PFT Commenter]

It's a curveball.

[Memes]

Does it curve?

[PFT Commenter]

It does, but it's not good.

[Memes]

Is it a hanging curveball?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yes.

[Memes]

How high does it hang?

[PFT Commenter]

It depends where I throw it.

[Memes]

Hernandez curveball.

[PFT Commenter]

And then I got a palm ball.

[Big Cat]

A palm ball. You guys are an E fist.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know. I don't really understand an E fish.

[Big Cat]

EFIs would work.

[PFT Commenter]

Throw it really slow.

[Memes]

I tried.

[Big Cat]

No, you throw it high and slow.

[PFT Commenter]

I also can mix in a little submarine.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

How. What are the chances you throw out your arm?

[PFT Commenter]

A hundred percent.

[Big Cat]

Like, we need it. We.

[PFT Commenter]

Actually, I've. We need a pitch count.

[Big Cat]

We need a.

[PFT Commenter]

We need a pitch count.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's six out.

[Memes]

When you say submarine, the meatball sub, are you talking about throwing it hard underhand or like, softball style?

[Big Cat]

How. How mad are you going to be if we drop an easy one?

[PFT Commenter]

So mad. So you're going to do it on purpose?

[Big Cat]

No, I won't. No, I won't. I'm. No, I don't want to. I want to look good.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

So I'm not. It would be a shame if Hank did.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Hank would look good, too.

[Memes]

Max did bounce.

[Big Cat]

Maybe I'll have to do it.

[Memes]

He bounced one into. Into My leg.

[PFT Commenter]

I have a feeling Jerry would be the one to do it.

[Memes]

I feel I'm going to get in the balls a few times. Man, you got to work.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And also, it sucks BFT because it's also scary about foul balls.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And my umpire is I already. And he was umping my bullpen. He was giving me nothing.

[Memes]

Yeah. Big T. Big T is. He is an honest man to a fault.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. All right, well, it'll be fun for the awl.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm like, what about comebackers? Are we worried about that?

[Memes]

Yeah, that was very scary.

[Big Cat]

You should look alive.

[Memes]

Because going into it last year, I was told that there might be that screen that was in front of me. And then we said, no, it. That's gonna look stupid. And it was a constant fear.

[Big Cat]

You can do the screen.

[Memes]

You can do a screen if you want. I personally didn't.

[Big Cat]

I would rather.

[PFT Commenter]

We got to stop comparing with.

[Hank]

Just wear a helmet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, John, about that. Yeah. Because, like, a comebacker, like, hitting you in the, like, ass would be very funny. A comeback or hitting you in the head would not be funny.

[PFT Commenter]

I need one of those softball helmets also.

[Big Cat]

You know what? No, I'm not gonna put bad vibes out there. What if a comebacker. If a comebacker hit you and you have to go to the hospital, we're still gonna come back to Chicago at the allotted time.

[PFT Commenter]

This is. This guy. I'm, I'm thrilled that that's your biggest worry right now.

[Big Cat]

No, it's actually not a worry. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, the first thing that goes in your, Your. No, your worry is your first thing that goes in the head is, oh, will we make it back? Ah, it, I'll just.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, it's not a worry. Can we set.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but it popped into your head because that was a worry. And then you were like, oh, never mind. I just won't I.

[Big Cat]

No, the worry was. I didn't want to say it out loud. No. Because I didn't want you.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but it popped into your head.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it popped in my head.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can we. It's not a word.

[Memes]

Can we look into getting fanatics to do the pants for Max? Get the see through going on.

[Big Cat]

You're going to be fine. I, I. If you want to do the screen, I would do the screen. So I will not call you a.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm, I'm probably going to do the screen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, do the screen.

[Memes]

The good news, Max, if you're throwing 60 miles an hour, they're probably not going to hit like straight away shots. They're going to pull the out of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they also. Yeah, they also can hit it wherever they want.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's 60 miles an hour. They absolutely can. They absolutely can. They're going to be able to put it wherever they want. Yeah. And hopefully none go in and then out of my glove.

[Memes]

Can I give you some advice, Max?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Memes]

Read up on box. I know the box will get you.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I know what. I'm not a good baseball player. I know the game of baseball.

[Big Cat]

All right, Numbers we got.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what's bullshit. I should be able to get in the box.

[Memes]

17.

[Big Cat]

Is Jack doing a number?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Give Jack a number.

[Big Cat]

Shout out. Jack is our new. He's part of our team. Team 24 clips guy. The 24 jack. What? Why are you laughing? What's. Oh, someone else.

[Max]

No, you were just giving him an intro. He was like, 24.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, give me the number. Jack is a Lions fan. Detroit sports all across the board. Yeah.

[Memes]

But mostly Michigan football.

[Big Cat]

Michigan football. Yeah. That was after the Commanders Bears game and I was spiraling and Jack was laughing. I was like, who the do you root for? And he's like, Lions. Like. No, you, but Jack. Welcome, Jack. Good luck, Jack. 3, 99, 11.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to reset. Oh, wait, is that 40?

[Big Cat]

That's up there?

[Jon Gruden]

48.

[Big Cat]

Been 44.

[Memes]

It would have been 44.

[PFT Commenter]

Would have been 44.

[Big Cat]

It would have been 4.

[Memes]

44, 44.

[PFT Commenter]

That actually is the next one I want to do because I want to say 44, baby.

[Memes]

5, 17, 3, 9, 11, 21, 24, 76. Have the 76ers won another game?

[Big Cat]

No, they haven't. But Jared McCain's really good. He is. I actually bet him over 30 points last night. That was awesome. He was awesome.

[Memes]

Love you guys. Don't cut that out. It.

[Big Cat]

Sa.