Jon Gruden, Week 8 Picks And Preview, Commanders vs Bears, Rams Are Back + Fyre Fest of The Week

Summary

Podcast Summary: Pardon My Take – Jon Gruden, Week 8 Picks And Preview, Commanders vs Bears, Rams Are Back + Fyre Fest of The Week

Pardon My Take, hosted by Big Cat and PFT Commenter from Barstool Sports, delves deep into the NFL landscape in this episode titled "Jon Gruden, Week 8 Picks And Preview, Commanders vs Bears, Rams Are Back + Fyre Fest of The Week." The episode offers comprehensive insights into upcoming Week 8 games, an engaging interview with former coach Jon Gruden, and a humorous segment dubbed "Fyre Fest of The Week."

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Week 8 NFL Picks and Preview

Commanders vs Bears The hosts analyze the critical matchup between the Commanders and the Chicago Bears. PFT Commenter highlights the Bears' struggles, noting, "Every single person that you're playing against, you're going to have to win" (07:00). They discuss the Bears' defensive lapses and Commanders' potential to exploit them. Big Cat emphasizes the importance of limiting the Commanders' offensive output while maximizing their own scoring opportunities.

Rams Improvement and Quarterback Trade Speculations A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Los Angeles Rams' resurgence with players like Puka and Cooper Cup returning to form. Memes comments on the Rams no longer being "buyers," indicating a shift towards a more competitive roster. The conversation also touches upon rumors of trading Matthew Stafford for Sam Darnold, with PFT Commenter expressing skepticism: "I don't think the Rams would win that [trade]" (07:05).

Vikings' Schedule and Injuries The hosts examine the Minnesota Vikings' challenging schedule ahead, facing teams like the Colts, Jaguars, and Titans. They discuss the impact of injuries, including Darasol's knee injury, and the Vikings' struggles with inconsistent running games.

Special Teams and Defensive Plays Emphasis is placed on the Vikings' defensive improvements and the importance of players like Lane Johnson. PFT Commenter lauds Johnson's exceptional performance, stating, "He's the only offensive tackle in the league with a minimum of 100 pass blocking snaps to allow less than five pressures this season" (26:20). The discussion highlights the critical role offensive linemen play in a team's success.

Draft and Trade Insights The conversation delves into broader NFL strategies, including the importance of draft capital and the ramifications of trading key players like Matthew Stafford. The hosts debate the long-term effects of such trades, weighing immediate gains against future team building.

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Fyre Fest of The Week

In the "Fyre Fest of The Week" segment, the hosts share amusing and unusual anecdotes from the NFL. One notable story involves a British woman attempting an extreme number of men running train on her, which elicits both shock and humor from the hosts. Memes highlights societal reactions to such extreme challenges, emphasizing the blend of ambition and public perception.

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Interview with Jon Gruden

A standout feature of this episode is the comprehensive interview with Jon Gruden, a Super Bowl-winning coach and founder of the Fired Football Coaches Institute (FFCA).

Establishing the FFCA Gruden discusses the inception of the FFCA, explaining, "When I got fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I got into Monday Night Football. I needed a place to go and study and put all my game plans and my servers and memorabilia" (119:07). The institute serves as a hub for former coaches and players to collaborate, study film, and stay engaged with the game.

Coaching Philosophy and NFL Trends Gruden shares his disdain for the RPO (Run-Pass Option) offense, lamenting, "I don’t like passing plays with the offensive line, run blocking. I don’t like seeing quarterbacks getting their ass knocked off because of this ridiculous protection offense that I'm watching" (123:56). He advocates for a more traditional, disciplined passing game, emphasizing quarterback protection and offensive line effectiveness.

Analyzing Current Quarterbacks Gruden evaluates current NFL quarterbacks, praising Jared Goff's performance with the Detroit Lions: "I think Jared Goff is starting to look like Joe Montana to me. He plays with continuous movement. He completes almost every single pass. He's tough as hell" (124:02). He contrasts this with his thoughts on other quarterbacks, providing a nuanced perspective on their abilities and potential.

Offensive Line Challenges Addressing offensive line struggles, Gruden advises, "You got to mix it up. And I believe in analogies a lot. I would make videos... This is where the great ones from the really good ones, is their ability to go out there and just lay it down, man, when they're not at their best" (124:10). He underscores the necessity of versatile and adaptive offensive strategies to overcome defensive pressures.

Gruden's Future and FFCA Goals Looking ahead, Gruden expresses readiness to return to coaching if opportunities arise while continuing to develop the FFCA: "I try not to overanalyze it. I just try to stay ready and be ready to go if that opportunity does arise" (120:18). His passion for the game remains evident as he discusses staying updated with NFL developments and refining coaching techniques.

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Notable Quotes

• PFT Commenter on RPO Offense: "I don’t like passing plays with the offensive line, run blocking. I don’t like seeing quarterbacks getting their ass knocked off because of this ridiculous protection offense that I'm watching" (123:56).

• Gruden on Jared Goff: "I think Jared Goff is starting to look like Joe Montana to me. He plays with continuous movement. He completes almost every single pass. He's tough as hell" (124:02).

• Memes on Lane Johnson: "Lane Johnson is so, so great... He is the best right tackle in football right now. What?" (26:20).

• Gruden on FFCA Purpose: "I have two servers... we bring in a lot of coaches, players, college players, pro players. We collaborate on football, study football..." (119:07).

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Conclusion

This episode of Pardon My Take offers listeners an in-depth analysis of Week 8 NFL matchups, shedding light on team dynamics, player performances, and strategic insights. The engaging interview with Jon Gruden provides a unique perspective on coaching philosophies and the evolving nature of NFL offenses. Coupled with the humorous "Fyre Fest of The Week" segment, this episode delivers a well-rounded and entertaining exploration of the current NFL season.

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Note: Timestamp references correspond to the transcript segments provided and are formatted as MM:SS for clarity.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Hank]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Memes]

Yeah, the game that could tear this podcast apart.

[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

The most face mask that's ever face masked.

[Big Cat]

Face masked.

[Memes]

Yeah. It was a ridiculous face mask. It was right in front of the ref, too. And it was. It was a very bizarre way to end the game. So much so that the guy that grabbed Sam Donald by the face mask immediately put his hands on his head in the. Oh, fuck. I can't believe I just did that. What a dumb, boneheaded play move that is. That's the. That's international sign language for bonehead. Yeah, I'm a bonehead.

[Big Cat]

He was just waiting for the call to happen. It just never happened.

[Memes]

It never happened. This is why there was a rule in the UFL that there was such a thing as a super challenge, which is a cool name. You know what? Super challenges.

[Big Cat]

No, it sounds awesome.

[Memes]

It is. It's very awesome. You can challenge anything you want and coaches get to do it once a game. So you can be like, go, look at this. Even if it's not technically quote a reviewable call. And a ref can go over to a screen, look at me like, yeah, that's a face mask. Yeah, easy call. The super challenge fixes.

[Big Cat]

That super challenge would have fixed this. So. Yeah, I mean, I. I think the Rams probably would have won anyway, but it still sucked just because it was directly in the line of sight of the. Of the ref. He was maybe two feet away from a face mask that every single person knew was. He literally got tackled by his face mask.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But now we have the Rams kind of looking Frisky at 3 and 4. With Puka and Cooper cup back, did.

[Memes]

The Rams just become buyers?

[Big Cat]

I mean, they. The all week we heard that the Rams were maybe shopping Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup. Now they win this game. They've won two games in a row. They've got guys healthy. They look competent. I don't know.

[Memes]

Well, the crazy part leading into this game was there were floating rumors out there about Matt Stafford being traded for Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Which would have been insane if that had happened. I was as a fan of chaos, I was hoping that that would happen before the game because that we'll never see that again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And honestly, I think that the Rams would win that trade.

[Big Cat]

Hey, I. I think the Rams. No, I don't think the Rams would win.

[Memes]

That trade would be very funny though.

[Big Cat]

If you almost got me it.

[Memes]

You don't think like Sam Sam Darnham's good.

[Big Cat]

He's. Matthew Stafford's really good.

[Memes]

Matthew Stafford's also pretty old.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Memes]

Sam Darnold's pretty young.

[Big Cat]

But the Vikings are trying to win right now.

[Memes]

It would have been. It would have been very. I don't know, trading Matthew Stafford to a different team and thinking he's going to win a Super Bowl. I don't know if that's going to happen.

[Big Cat]

Well, and also The Vikings have J.J. mcCarthy, so you're like, hey, we'll have Matthew Stafford for two years. J.J. mcCarthy, back him up.

[Memes]

It would have been very funny, though, to trade Matthew Stafford to another team. He wins a Super bowl there, and then the Rams have a good quarterback that they can build with again.

[Big Cat]

Yes, again. But, yeah, the Rams, I don't know, man. They. Next week they played at the Seahawks. That will be a massive, massive game. Because as crazy as the Rams or as bad as the Rams start to the season looked, and they had so many injuries. They're 3 and 4 right now, and the Cardinals are 3 and 4 and the Niners are 3 and 4, and the Seahawks are at the top of the NFC west at 4 and 3. Like, I don't know. I. They're my pinky team. I. They're at the Seahawks, Dolphins at home, and then at the Patriots.

[Memes]

They can win all three of those.

[Big Cat]

That could be two and one. That could be three. And. Oh, like, that's. I don't know. They just look different when you have those two guys out there. Puka was everywhere tonight. I feel like Cooper cup didn't even really get going. Of course, he made. We were sitting there watching the game, and they were trying to, you know, salt the game away, and it was run, run. And then I said out loud in the gambling cave, I'm like, this is just going to be a perfect pass. That's ridiculous. To Cooper cup somewhere on the field. And that's exactly what happened.

[Memes]

And right after that pass. I don't know if you saw this, but Matthew Stafford gave him a point. And it looked to me like Matthew Stafford was saying, that was awesome. I got you, buddy. Almost like that's our last one that we're going to have together.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's what.

[Memes]

That's what it looked like.

[Big Cat]

That's. You're reading the body language.

[Memes]

It was like, me and you, we did it again.

[Big Cat]

But why would they sell if they're. If they're. I mean, I guess you got to see what happens next week with the Seahawks game. But why. Why would they. They're in it.

[Memes]

Yeah. Now they're in it.

[Big Cat]

They're tied for second right now in the NFC West.

[Memes]

They're definitely in it. Like they are right in the thick of it. And yeah, with those three games coming up, they could be six and four.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And as for the Vikings, also, maybe.

[Memes]

It'S good that they got injured early.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

They get healthy like the Ravens used to do. Free agents signed up and then you get all your guys back.

[Big Cat]

And I mean, Stafford is still incredible. I mean, he missed that one throw to two. Two at well, but then he just followed up with a dime to DeMarcus Robinson. He had four touchdowns tonight. He's just. He still got it.

[Memes]

As good. As good as the Vikings receivers are, I think that the Rams. Their receivers are that good in terms of how fun their names are to say.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Puka, Nakua, Cooper Cup 2 2.

[Big Cat]

Allen. Well, even DeMarcus Robinson because Marcus Robinson would be a very like. Ah, that's a norm. But he threw on a D in front.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

As for the Vikings, five zero to five and two. Not a panic. But especially because they have the Colts and the Jaguars coming up. Feels like those are get right games from. And the Titans. Oh, wow. They play the Colts, Jaguars and Titans.

[Memes]

Almost. They play the best parts of the AFC south to play.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty crazy. Yeah. So that's not. It's not a panic. It's just you played the Lions last week and then you're. You're slotted to lose after that.

[Memes]

The only panic is that their tackles hurt.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So Darasol went out. I think it was a knee injury. It didn't look good.

[Big Cat]

No, it did not. And it also was in those situations where you don't want to second guess, but you're on your own 5 yard line with 30 seconds left in the half.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Maybe just kneel it out. I know that you can never be like, hindsight's 2020 there, obviously, but I.

[Memes]

Think we should completely flip to being hindsight, guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Todd Bowles, isn't it.

[Big Cat]

That was egregious by Kevin O'Connor. The ball.

[Memes]

Him and Todd should be banished to the fifth circle of hell.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're just always right.

[Memes]

Yeah. Like, everybody knew he should be out. They should take it. That knee.

[Big Cat]

I never would have done that.

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

Also, Justin Jefferson just continues to be the most ridiculous receiver ever because that catch he made along the sidelines was. I don't. I still. You said it. Exactly. What we all were thinking is like, I wish the ra. I Wish the Rams had challenged it just so we could watch it more. Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

Sean McVeigh, come on, do us all a favor. We would have been able to see that replay probably four more times on tv.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

In real time. Also credit to the Vikings for getting their asses up to the line because I feel like McVeigh would have challenged it. Yeah, but that was the fastest I've ever seen a team get up to the line and snap the next ball. Yeah, but that was a ridiculous catch. Jeff Jefferson had a million catches. No matter if you had one guy on him or if you were double teaming him, he just gets open. Yeah, he's just always. He is always open.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And he's always open wearing that sick ass chain that he's got that's probably worth like a million dollars.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And he brings it on the field.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, I think the one thing. Yeah, the. The injury, obviously the offensive line, but the Vikings couldn't run the ball tonight. That was kind of their. Like the death of them. Yeah, they just couldn't get a consistent run going. It felt like all night. And they. They kind of need that. And we did find out the answer. The Vikings, I guess we found it out last week, too. No, yeah, we found it out last week, too, but like, they got to play from ahead.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Play for ahead. All right. Anything else before we get into our week? 8 picks and preview?

[Memes]

I got one.

[Big Cat]

Hank, Are you going to go undefeated as Celtics?

[Max]

You're thinking that 74 and 8.

[Big Cat]

74 and 8 is what you're calling it. Anything from banner night?

[Memes]

Are the Celtics good or did they just play the Wizards?

[Max]

I mean, two games, two blows, for starters. Haven't even played in the fourth quarter, basically.

[Big Cat]

Anything from banner Night? Because obviously we taped early on Tuesday.

[Max]

Banner night was a dream.

[Big Cat]

Was it? So you were asleep?

[Max]

No, it was just.

[Big Cat]

It was.

[Max]

It was. It was a lot of fun. Tears were shed. Very emotional.

[Memes]

You cried.

[Big Cat]

I should.

[Max]

I should have tear.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Max]

All the other play. All the other players, you know, I think Tatum and all the other guys.

[Big Cat]

On the team, well, they were cry.

[Max]

It's like you see other people crying. You're like, damn, that's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You're like, damn, I got to go back to work tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So that's it. Did you get to see coach?

[Max]

No, I was across. We didn't really cross paths.

[Big Cat]

Did you lock eyes?

[Max]

No, he didn't. He didn't see me.

[Big Cat]

Not even eyes.

[Max]

Not even eyes.

[Big Cat]

Did Dave get a good pop when he was on the jumbotron, Dave did.

[Max]

Get a good pop.

[Memes]

I heard different on. On Tick Tock.

[Max]

Yeah, they definitely didn't. Boom. They showed Kai Sanat who's like a biggest twitch streamer. And it was like kind of a. And I guess he's a Knicks fan, but it was like real life versus Internet life. Like, no one even reacted. And they showed Day right after and everyone started cheering.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna say that I don't believe that woman who made one Tick Tock was like. We booed Dave Portnoy.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

In Boston.

[Memes]

It's Boston.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't think that's. That happened.

[Memes]

They're saying pizza review.

[Big Cat]

All right, so what was your one other thing? Pfd.

[Memes]

There's a new study that came out. I don't know if you saw this on the Athletic.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

A nutrition study in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

They did a survey to find out which teams ate the most uncrustables.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, I did see, because every.

[Memes]

Team, apparently the NFL, goes through at least 80,000 uncrustables per year. That's giving them to teams which. I mean, uncrustable. It is the perfect snack.

[Big Cat]

We might be up there.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Our office goes through. We go through, like, how many are in a box? 28. No, we get the big.

[Memes]

The big ones. I don't know how many are in that one, but I think.

[Hank]

I still think it's eight. There's. They'll be opened and then like on fresh uncrustable day, and they're gone in an hour.

[Memes]

We should see.

[Big Cat]

All right, so what?

[Memes]

I probably. I think two a day for lunch. It's just the perfect snack.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So what was the record?

[Memes]

All right, so they. Teams eat 80,000 in total per year, and then they broke it down weekly by the teams that eat the most and the teams that eat the least. Team that eats the least amount of uncrustables. New Orleans Saints.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow.

[Memes]

That checks out.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

Team that eats the most. And by the way, the saints eat 50 uncrustables a week. So that's like. That's not even one per person.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's. That's lightweight.

[Memes]

That's the ramifications being Cap Hell.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

And then the team that eats the most, the Denver Broncos.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

They eat 700 uncrustables a week.

[Big Cat]

And how many weeks is it the whole season?

[Memes]

700 per week.

[Big Cat]

For the whole. For the season or the year?

[Memes]

I don't know where they eat. I think for the season.

[Big Cat]

Okay. You know what I'm saying? 52 weeks, but.

[Memes]

Right. Because I think the facilities probably shut down at times, but 700 a week is a lot, and maybe that's why they're playing so well.

[Big Cat]

I'm asking that because I kind of want to see if we can. We can break the record.

[Memes]

I think that we go through.

[Big Cat]

I. The only. The only thing that's stopping us is that we just run out of them. Like, if we. If I. If I was like, we will never run out of uncrustables. How many uncrustables do you think this office would eat a week?

[Memes]

I personally would put away. I'd say 20 a week.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I mean, there's, like, what I could do.

[Max]

20.

[Big Cat]

There's 70 people here. I think we could easily put away, like, 400, 500 a week.

[Memes]

So that would put us in second place in the NFL. That's. That's how much the Denver Broncos love uncrustables. Second place is the Seahawks, and they're down at 320.

[Big Cat]

All right, so next week, starting on Monday, I will make sure that we do not run out of uncrustables at all for the week, and we'll keep track.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

For this office, I'll send out an email. I'm like, it's my. We're doing a study. Eat as many uncrustables as you want. We will not run out, and we'll just see where we land.

[Memes]

I predict we're going to be in the, like, thousand range. No joke. I actually do. It's.

[Big Cat]

It's because I go look for them, and the only reason I don't eat them is because they're not there. Like, we'll run out all the time.

[Memes]

Yeah, but when they're there, do you always. And I'm in the kitchen, I'm about to order lunch, and I see them. I'm like, fuck, I'm just gonna have two uncrustables.

[Big Cat]

All right? So. Yeah, well, that's what. That will be. My promise to this office. Next week, starting Monday, we're gonna. We're gonna do just uncrustable week, where it's like, eat as many as you want. Don't feel bad. Don't force yourself to eat them. Don't take any home. Although they probably take some home. You think so they probably take some in the. On the. In the car.

[Memes]

You think Bo Nick's is like, put him in his backpack.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, for sure.

[Memes]

They do love white corners. Do you think what the bread is do you think? Well, no quarters, but the. It's white.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

White edges.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The. Do you think that maybe that's what Sean Payton fell in love with? When Bo Nick's opened up his backpack that's just full of uncrustables.

[Memes]

You ever seen Pulp Fiction with a briefcase? Yeah, that's Bo Nix's backpack.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It was just filled with uncrustables. He probably takes them home. Peyton. I can imagine Peyton is a guy that, like, during football season, he doesn't eat any actual meals.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

He just snacks. He just eats uncrustables all day.

[Big Cat]

Do you have to refrigerate on crustables, or we just do that.

[Hank]

You probably should definitely have to. And I also. I've already texted our office manager and said we're gonna need all of the uncrustables.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, I'll go to Costco. I'll just buy myself. I'll get a. I'll bring the boom.

[Memes]

I think it's gonna be easily a thousand uncrustables.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I'm excited for uncrustables.

[Memes]

But we need to make it clear that, like, this is not. Don't. Don't try to gorge yourself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Eat. What? Just if you are hungry and you're like, what am I going to eat? And there's an uncrossable there. Eat the uncrustable. But don't be like, I have to try to break a record.

[Memes]

And I actually think you could lose weight eating uncrustables.

[Big Cat]

I agree. I agree.

[Memes]

Peanut butter's got tons of protein in it. Yep. Bread is the biggest part of the food pyramid, which is really, really healthy and scientific.

[Big Cat]

Do you know what we need to get? Because here's the other thing.

[Memes]

Grape purple vegetables probably is.

[Big Cat]

I think part of it is that our refrigerators in the kitchen.

[Memes]

Not big enough.

[Big Cat]

They're not big enough. And they're also, like, you gotta. You gotta. You have to, like, look underneath. We need to get an uncrustable refrigerator that's just sitting on top of the counter that's just stacked with uncrustables.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Or you just get rid of Hank's pinball machine and just make that the uncrossable.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, That's a good call.

[Max]

I'm looking at pinball machine.

[Memes]

I was hoping that the weather was gonna be a little bit colder next week because we could just leave them outside.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But no, we'll know what we'll do is we'll just take them out of the box and we'll just be like, this is the uncrustable fridge and it just has only uncrustables in it. And just eat as many as you want. We're going for records.

[Memes]

They had a great quote from the the inventor of the uncrustable. His name's Len Kretchman.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

He said, we're not recreating the atomic bomb here. We're trying to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

[Big Cat]

Love it.

[Memes]

Nailed it.

[Big Cat]

Love it.

[Memes]

Like that guy. That guy knows his product.

[Big Cat]

He did it. He did it. Um, all right, let's get to our week 8 picks and preview and then we have an incredible interview with Jon Gruden. Okay. Before we get to week eight picks in preview, football season is here and we can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of game time, the official ticketing partner, barstool sports. You know how much we love game time. Now with their brand new game Time picks feature, they're making it even easier get to get to a game. Game Time picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seats so you don't have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets. Monday night Football Giants at Steelers Jersey Jerry will be in the building if you want to go to that game. Pft.

[Memes]

I'm looking at $97 to get in right now for Monday night football. That's a big deal. Acrosure.

[Big Cat]

Acro. Sure. So that's an amazing deal. On game time, you hit the game time picks deal for great seats, just pull up your chosen event, turn on the GT pick setting at the top of the screen to browse the best local game time picks deals near you on your game time app homepage. What are you waiting for? If you want to try to sit near Jersey Jerry, I think he's going to sit in the end zone. Row one. I don't know which end zone.

[Memes]

I'm looking at like 150 bucks for end zone seats right now. Oh, and super deal. We got a super deal on game time. 203 bucks for club seating.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. So game time has all those deals. Download the Game Time app today. Use code PMT to easily score great deals. The new Game Time picks. What time is it? Game time. We're also brought to you by ourselves at Pardon my Cheesesteak. It's football season. It's cheesesteak season. Football's back in full gear. Pardon My Cheesesteak brings you awesome cheesesteaks, loaded fries delivered right to your doorstep. And we'll be offering free delivery throughout the entire football season. Take your pick of delicious cheesesteaks made with fresh thinly sliced steak, melted provolone, mouth watering cheese sauce and caramelized onions on a toasted hoagie roll. We have classic cheesesteaks, chipotle cheesesteaks, chicken cheesesteaks, buffalo chicken, cheesesteaks and many, many more. You can order the big cat combo and get your cheesesteak of choice, fries and a drink. Find Pardon My Cheesesteak near you and order yours now at pardon my cheesesteak.com use code AWL for free delivery. Okay, boys, week eight. No buys.

[Memes]

No buys at all. That's a weird time to not have buys. I remember distinctly over the course of my many years playing fantasy football that I would always draft players. Like everyone would have a buy in week eight. Yeah, everyone. Why do you not have a buy in week eight this year?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. It kind of pisses me off. Not that I'm upset about more football, but the amount of games. I'm mad because they did the two Monday night games last week.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This would be the perfect week to do two Monday night games. You now have given us. I think it's. What's the split this week? Is it 8 and 5?

[Memes]

I'm not sure what the split is.

[Big Cat]

But I think it's 8 and 5.

[Memes]

You don't have international games either.

[Big Cat]

Right. So I think it's. I think it's eight early, five late. Which it's going to be a chaotic day. It's. You're going to have to, you're going to have to lock in. You're going to have to make sure you get some sleep on Saturday night. Eight and five is a lot, but we got some great games and we're going to get through our week eight picks and preview. Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles going to the Cincinnati Bengals. We mentioned this on Monday's show, but it's a very weird scheduling quirk that both these teams played the Browns and the Giants as their last two opponents.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And the Eagles are now going to Cincinnati. This the Bengals, I believe are still in must win territory. You have to win everything.

[Memes]

They're in must win season.

[Big Cat]

Must win season. Fun. Weird stat by the Eagles. The Eagles have not scored a single point in the first quarter this season.

[Memes]

Yeah, they don't get off to good starts. I got a fun fact, maybe the fun fact of the week for this game.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Two out of the last four times these two teams have played each other, they've tied.

[Big Cat]

Tied. Donovan McNabb tied.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's one of them. Where he didn't know that the game could end in a tie. This is. Is big Thai energy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Memes]

What are the odds if you bet a tie?

[Big Cat]

Usually pretty high.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

10 to 1. 15 to 1.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But this one. This one should probably be like 2 to 1.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

On DraftKings, because it's got big tie energy.

[Memes]

They also. Cincinnati hasn't won at home this year.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy. Yeah. We also have Joe Burrow. We talk about Lamar Jackson versus the nfc. Joe Burrow, sneaky. Putting together a nice resume against the NFC. So in his last 11 games against the NSC, he's 10 and one straight up. Pretty nice. It's pretty good.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's 10 and one straight up in his last 11 games versus the NFC. I have a question for you, Max. First, let's vibe check. Must win three way.

[Max]

Money line is a draws. That's a tie, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

60 to 1.

[Big Cat]

60 to 1, plus 6,000. Oh, wait. Yeah, yeah. Plus 6.

[Memes]

Yeah. 61.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I was way off. Yeah, that's. That's the best value on the board, I think.

[Max]

Halftime ties, usually 10 to 1.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's what it is. Okay. That's what I was thinking.

[Memes]

And overtime is a different one too, right?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, Max. General vibe check.

[Hank]

You know, we beat the Giants, so I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit more excited than I was the week before. But it's still the Giants. If we win this one, though, I'm all the way back.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

If we win this one, I'm thinking Soupy.

[Memes]

And you got. Oh, we're back in Soupy.

[Big Cat]

But if we lose this.

[Memes]

Max, did you hear that? Hank just laughed at you.

[Max]

But I know he doesn't think that.

[Memes]

The Eagles are a good team. Why are you laughing at him?

[Max]

Because he doesn't think.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he doesn't think that. He's just trying to. He's. He's. He's trying to boast himself up like that was fake.

[Max]

That was fake as fuck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

No, that was fake.

[Big Cat]

You're not thinking Soupy.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Hank]

I still have my doubts with this team. Last week they looked really good. If they looked really good again this week, I could see myself getting excited. But right now, I'm still not, like, excited for this team, which is kind of like they're 4 and 2 coming off a big win. They beat. They've beaten. They've beat. They beat the packers, who everyone says is super bowl contender. I should be more optimistic, but I'm not and I don't. And I kind of feel like that's the way that most of Philadelphia feels about this team. And if they lose to the Bengals, it's right back to fire Sirianni. I think fans, if they beat the Bengals, I think most fans will be like, all right, maybe this Sirianni guy's figuring it out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe this is actually going to work out this week.

[Hank]

That's just kind of how it's a week to week to week your game.

[Big Cat]

To game status in terms of confidence in the Bengals. Yeah.

[Memes]

Well, you've won back to back games, which is good. That's the first step against the Browns. It's been a long time since you.

[Big Cat]

Got same with the Bengals.

[Memes]

Yeah. So I mean it could be worse. It could be the Cardinals and well, I guess we'll get to them later. And it's, you know how long it's been now since the Cardinals have won back to back games?

[Big Cat]

Forever.

[Memes]

It's now three years.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's been three years. So as long as we think that it is for the Eagles, it was November and that feels like an eternity.

[Hank]

Yeah. No, it's not good.

[Memes]

But it could be good.

[Hank]

But it could be good.

[Big Cat]

It could be good. Yeah.

[Hank]

So it could be good, but it could be good. It could be really bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's high level analysis. I have a question for you, Max. I saw an insane stat on X from Brendan Deeg. He said Lane Johnson's only offensive tackle in the league with a minimum of 100 pass blocking snaps to allow less than five pressures this season. So of all the offensive tackles who've had 100 pass blocking snaps, he's the only one to allow less than five pressures this season. He's only allowed one single pressure. And it got me thinking. Is Lane Johnson on the Mount Rushmore of Eagles for sure.

[Hank]

Because you won a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

So who's on the Mount Rushmore of Eagles? Westbrook.

[Hank]

No, we had this discussion yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Reggie White.

[Hank]

Reggie White for sure.

[Memes]

Kelsey.

[Hank]

Brian Dawkins.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

To.

[Hank]

Not to. McNabb, Freddie Mitchell, McNabb. Maybe.

[Big Cat]

But Lane Johnson deserves more credit for being maybe the best right tackle of all time. He's the best right tackle in football right now. What?

[Hank]

Kelsey, Kelsey, Kelsey, Maybe if I had to pick, I would say Reggie White, Brian Dawkins, Lane Johnson, Jason Kelsey.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

If I, if I were able to pick my, my guys, that is, that.

[Memes]

Would that be the only franchise that wouldn't have a single quarterback on there.

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, there's. I probably would put Nick Foles ahead of Donovan McNabb. You look like that little.

[Big Cat]

That little meme, baby. Yeah.

[Memes]

You don't think.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I mean, it would. It would be like Buckus, Walter Payton, Erlacher, Dick. I mean, Gail Sayers. There's no. There's no. No, no quarterback.

[Hank]

We've had some decent quarterbacks, but I just like the other guy. Those other guys are just legends.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I was just thinking about it. Like, that stat is insane that there's been no offensive tackle in the league that has allowed less than five pressures and he's only allowed one. He has just been so consistently incredible at his job for such a long time now that I think it's because he plays right tackle and not left tackle that people don't give him credit. But he is. I mean, he's a Hall of Famer and he is just. It's. It's crazy. Like, the job of an offensive lineman, if you're a peak, great offensive lineman, the job is that you just never talk about them. But we should talk more about Lane Johnson because he is so great and.

[Memes]

He'S so instrumental in determining whether or not you guys win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's the thing about it. Like, his. His win loss record is incredible.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, he's. Jason Kelsey was great. Jason Kelsey would probably tell you that Lane Johnson was more important than Jason Kelsey.

[Hank]

I think he has said that before. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Right. So that tells you everything. He's. He's incredible. Are you. Who are you more nervous about? Jamar Chase, T. Higgins or Yoshi?

[Hank]

I think Jamar Chase.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It could have been Yoshi.

[Hank]

I like Yoshi.

[Memes]

Yoshi's a beast.

[Hank]

If Yoshi's name wasn't Yoshi, would. Would we be having.

[Memes]

Probably not. I'll be honest.

[Big Cat]

But he was born in Japan. That's kind of cool.

[Memes]

The thing is, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation, but we should be having this conversation if his name wasn't Yoshi.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Here's the thing.

[Memes]

He's playing really well.

[Big Cat]

And you will know, like, he's had a couple games. He has Yoshi games where he just has two touchdowns. You're like, God damn it. I can deal with Jamar Chase beating me, but Yoshi beating me.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

The Eagles are going to have to score a lot of points in this.

[Big Cat]

Game, I think, and probably hold them to less points.

[Hank]

Yeah. But I think they're also going to score a lot of points. So if we're able to figure out a way that we can score more points than them, then I think that we're in a pretty good spot.

[Memes]

So just limiting how many points they.

[Hank]

Do score and maximizing it as much as we can.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

How do you plan on doing that? Wanting it more.

[Hank]

Yep. AJ Brown, I guess just when in doubt, just throw a deep ball to AJ Brown and just pound the rock with Saquon.

[Big Cat]

Okay, last question for you. How much does Joel Embiid being investigated affect the Eagles?

[Hank]

This. That means nothing.

[Memes]

What do you mean? That's an investigation.

[Hank]

The Sixers are being. You said this to me. The Sixers are being investigated.

[Big Cat]

Jerome B's being investigated. The Sixers on the Sixers.

[Hank]

The Sixers management is being investigated.

[Big Cat]

Okay. About Joel and B.

[Hank]

About Joel.

[Big Cat]

He's gonna have to be deposed because.

[Hank]

They are trying to stop load management in the NBA and the M. And the Sixers are just saying, fuck it, we'll pay the fine. We're still going to do load management.

[Memes]

I love that. The first game of the season for you guys. It's like investigation. Joel Embiid is missing a game. There must be something weird going on. The NBA is obsessed with the Sixers because Joel Embiid.

[Max]

Last question. Where is your heart?

[Hank]

Where's my heart?

[Max]

Where's your. The Sixers heart?

[Big Cat]

Where's the Sixers heart? Is it in. Is it in New Jersey?

[Memes]

Is there heart in the game?

[Hank]

How would you like me to answer this?

[Max]

Like, they just want to pay the fines. How about you just have some heart and play the games?

[Big Cat]

It's true.

[Hank]

We're trying to be healthy for the post. For the post season.

[Memes]

What about the kids, though, Max? What about. What about the kids that. That spent their hard earned allow money to go see their favorite player, Joel Embiid play on opening night?

[Max]

What about just resting during the off season?

[Hank]

Like most professionals, they wanted to represent his country.

[Big Cat]

Wanted to represent his country.

[Memes]

France.

[Hank]

He wanted to represent his country of.

[Memes]

The US Of A. I just think it's interesting.

[Hank]

Hank hates America. That's fine.

[Max]

I mean, that was two weeks. It's a long off season. They did they make the play. They had a long off season. Well, they lose the first round.

[Hank]

US Of A. Baby.

[Big Cat]

I'd like to say something that's going to probably end up on the bonk list, but I just want to say it because it's ended up in my algorithm, which x hat tip to x.

[Memes]

X.Com the everything crazy where we're going.

[Hank]

To a bonk from here.

[Big Cat]

Well, because I thought a load management, and then there's this woman. Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

All right.

[Big Cat]

So it's not me that's just horny. Everyone's got it in their algorithm. There's this woman who everyone's trying to shame online because she, like, basically did a video where it's like, hey, remember me? I'm the one who just did a video where I had, like, 23 dudes run train on me. I'm actually gonna up it, and I'm gonna do a hundred. So if you want to run train on me, I'm doing 100 guys in a day, and I just wanted to say hat tip to that woman for. For, you know, raising the bar.

[Memes]

I've not seen this.

[Big Cat]

You guys have seen it.

[Memes]

How many. How many replies?

[Max]

British woman.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. She's just like, hey, guys, it's me, the 23. Whatever it was. However many. She's like, if you want to be part of the next. The next one. I'm doing a hundred dudes in a day. Like, reach for this. Reach the stars.

[Max]

Down, like, 40 students before young men. And now I'm gonna take down the dads.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You heard that one woman during the World Cup a few years ago that said, like, she'll suck off everybody that replies to this tweet if, like, England wins the World Cup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Okay, so I'm seeing her right now. I went Viral for letting 23 guys run a train on me. Next feat. A hundred men in a row.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And everyone's shaming. It's like, what, we can't just be ambitious anymore? Are we just stopping ambition in this world? Sad. Yeah. Find it. Find it, man.

[Memes]

Oh, the first reply, Tiffany Gomas.

[Big Cat]

Oh, what'd she say?

[Memes]

She said, what in the entire. And I can't emphasize this enough. And then a gross face. Come on, let's not slut shame here.

[Big Cat]

No, she's just. She's up in the gate. She. I'll tell you what. If Joan Beat had half the heart of this woman, he'd be a champion. That's a fact. This is.

[Hank]

This is a great Eagles Bengals preview.

[Big Cat]

That's just so fast.

[Hank]

Let's talk about this girl who's getting.

[Big Cat]

Fucked and how it relates to Joan Beat. Yes.

[Hank]

And which. Which then relates to the Eagles.

[Memes]

It is. Yeah. It's literally load management.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Where is she putting all this sperm?

[Big Cat]

That's what I said. Yeah. That's why it popped in my head. But either way, I just. I. Yeah. Maybe have Maybe Joan B. Needs to take a page out of this woman's book and just think about, hey, I'm gonna keep pushing the limit, even for Joan B. Complaints about playing back to back. She complains about going mile high. Yeah, go ahead, play the video. It's. It's. It's. It's PG. The VI. The explanation is PG. I went viral for letting 23 guys run a train on me with my friend Bonnie. I didn't expect her to look like this. Honestly, you know where to go.

[Memes]

But if you want to be part.

[Big Cat]

Of the next one, I'm actually doing 100 guys in one day, so head.

[Memes]

On over to my Twitter to find.

[Big Cat]

Out how to apply.

[Memes]

Putting your hard hat on. Going to work. I appreciate that. That's. That's a woman that's making a hundred guys days better.

[Big Cat]

Hunt.

[Memes]

Good.

[Big Cat]

Also on beat. Take notes, bro.

[Memes]

When you say going viral for having 20 guys, fuck me. That's. That's. I instantly just think STD.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't. I don't know if I. I don't know if I thought. I cd. I just was like, whoa, that's a lot.

[Memes]

The viral part, I think you just assume. Yeah, the viral part is what did it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay, so that was Bengals, Eagles, let's. Ravens, Browns. We have 16 games to get through, so. Or 15 games.

[Memes]

Speaking of couple, DeSean Watson's not playing this week.

[Big Cat]

Sean Watts not playing. James is in. I'm so excited. This is a PSA to everyone out there. You do not know how many James starts we'll get for the rest of our lives. So you embrace the ones that we do have. Yeah, I am. Listen, the vibes couldn't be better. Just. I have no idea. I'm just speaking on knowing Jameis and not knowing desean Watson, thankfully. But that locker room has to be so pumped. I feel like they have a chance because James is going to take a chance. Yeah.

[Memes]

And also, just you mentioned the vibes, like desean Watson. All time bad vibes this year.

[Big Cat]

All time.

[Memes]

Just. He never smiled. They never had any fun on the field with Jameis. You're going to be having fun. It's going to be crazy. You don't know what to expect. I don't know what it's like to root for a team where Jameis is the quarterback of that team, but I think that he is the best player in the. In the NFL to be playing for a different team that you don't root for because he makes any game that much more exciting.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

And I. I Had a thought about Jimmy Haslam earlier. I. He is like probably the worst owner in the NFL right now. It's like him and Tepper fighting for the crown. Is there any chance that the NFL steps in and makes Jimmy Haslam so he should sell that team. He should sell the franchise. And I'm not saying that because of like desean Watson and all his legal investigations and all that. That sucked. But we know that the NFL will turn a blind eye to pretty much anything that a player does. And it won't like, punish an owner for employing a shitty, like, human being. Yeah, right. That's pretty common in the NFL. The one thing that owners do not like is when you with their money. Right. And Jimmy Haslam giving DeShawn that guaranteed contract pissed everybody off.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

In the NFL, like, Dan Snyder was a world class scumbag. They didn't do about it until they thought he was withholding money from them. And then they're like, oh, now all of a sudden we care about all this other stuff off the field. I think that there's a. There's a chance. I'm not saying it's a high chance, but there is a chance that the other owners turn on Haslam because of what he did with the contract.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And set that precedent. And I hope for Cleveland fans that they get to experience that. I. He should sell the team as just a fan of the sport.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

He's everything up in that town. So I'm rooting for the owners to like turn on him and, and to kick him out and to get somebody else in there that will actually take care.

[Big Cat]

Tough, though. Think about how hard it was to get Dan Snyder out.

[Memes]

Yeah, but it's just when you. With their money, that's when they start caring.

[Big Cat]

I know, but they just rich guys just like other rich guys. And if he has friends that are other rich guys. I don't know. I mean, I agree with you, but I just. It's harder than me. You know what we could do. The. Have you guys seen. This is the. The new. Remember it used to be the Bucks won the NFC north slash Central more recently than the Lions. Until the Lions. Wait, the Lions win it last year? Yeah, the Lions won it last year. That was always the meme. The Browns. I think it's the Jaguars, the Titans and the Oilers have all won it more recently than the Browns, the Oilers, the AFC north slash Central because it was the Central and then the North.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's bad. It's been.

[Big Cat]

So start memeing that. Yeah, start meming that all the time.

[Memes]

Put some, put some pressure on this Haslam guy. Get him out of there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we got to put some pressure.

[Memes]

On the good of the league. And we've got Ken Dorsey taking over play calling this week. Ken Dorsey, I guess he just vibes better with Jamis.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think I Browns could be live in this game. I mean, the Ravens are a wagon. The Ravens have looked really unstoppable. Their offense at least their defense still not the best. And Marlon Humphrey, I think is out for at least a couple of weeks. But yeah, I think the Browns are going to get like, it's almost like a one interim head coach bump. They're going to get a quarterback bump here. By the way, I have a couple of stats for you. First one is Derek Henry ranks this season. He's first in rushing, first in rushing yards, first in rush TDs, first in yards per rush, first in rush, first downs, first and longest rush, first in scrimmage yards, first in scrimmage.

[Memes]

Tds still very, very good.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty crazy. Yeah, he's first in everything. Also, Mark Andrews, scoring two touchdowns on Monday night, became the all time leader in reception touchdowns for the Ravens, which I was like, damn, that's kind of sad that a tight end with 43 touchdown receptions is the all time receiver in like franchise history. And then kind of similar to the quarterback conversation we just had with the Bears. I was like, let me look this up. And it was, it was very sad.

[Memes]

It's very bad.

[Big Cat]

And the Giants too. The Giants. Imani Toomer.

[Memes]

So who did, who did he pass?

[Big Cat]

Did he pass?

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. No. Todd Heap. Yeah, he would be the, the next guy up. If you look at what the Ravens have done with their wide receivers for the last like 15 years, they've just been committed to not ever having a good wide receiver. Yeah, Trey Flowers, he's. He is very good.

[Big Cat]

He is very good. Zay Flowers.

[Memes]

I'm sorry, Zay.

[Big Cat]

The. And then the last stat I had. This is a reminder. Who's going to be in charge of reminders now?

[Max]

I have the reminder in the. Oh, no, nevermind. I will.

[Big Cat]

What was that?

[Max]

I had the reminder in today for the Hammer. The Rams.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Are we hammering the Rams?

[Hank]

So you're the reminder guy.

[Big Cat]

Are you the reminder guy?

[Max]

I will be.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so it sounds like you're the reminder guy. Lamar Jackson, in eight career games on Monday Night Football, is 22 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 1700 passing yards, 681 rushing yards, 22 touchdowns, 0 interceptions. They play Monday Night Football, November 25th at the Chargers.

[Memes]

Reminder, the Harbaugh Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Just take all the overs for Lamar. Everything. That's a pretty insane stat.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

22 touchdowns, zero interceptions on Monday Night Football.

[Memes]

Yeah, I'm. I'm. I'm just excited about James. I'm so pumped.

[Big Cat]

So pumped for Jameis since 2013. This will be the 64th game played by a backup quarterback for the Browns, the most in the NFL over that span by over 15 games.

[Memes]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

It's insane.

[Memes]

Those poor fans.

[Big Cat]

Insane.

[Memes]

I feel like. I feel like Brown's fans are going to be excited again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right. Like, for at least a game.

[Memes]

Yeah, for at least a game, you're going to go. You're going to get drunk and be happy before the game as opposed to just getting drunk and feeling like you're walking on the green mile to your execution. Going to the stadium.

[Big Cat]

Is Miles Garrett going to get traded?

[Memes]

I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Garrett and Crosby are the two names. Last night probably should.

[Big Cat]

Last night we. I went to the out of Order show because I was emceeing it, and a guy sitting next to me just was like, hey, big cat, have you heard anything about Miles Garrett to the Packers? And my heart dropped for a second.

[Memes]

That'd be tough.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It'd be also very mean to trade him this close to Halloween because he's probably got his lawn set up with everything and he's gone all out. He's going to have to take those decorations down.

[Big Cat]

Is the trade deadline I think is next week, though? Yeah, I think it might be on Halloween or might be the day before.

[Memes]

I thought it was. I thought it was on election day.

[Big Cat]

Oh, is it?

[Memes]

Yeah, I think trade deadline might be NFL trade deadline.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, you're right. November 5th, 4:00pm Eastern. Okay. So, yeah, trade them after Halloween. Oh, in the past, it was October 31st. Last thing about the Ravens, as good as they've been, and they've been incredible. Keaton Mitchell just started returning to practice. Remember him?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that adds another weapon for that offense that has just been rolling over people. Yeah.

[Memes]

Marlon Humphrey, he had. Didn't he have two picks?

[Big Cat]

He had two picks. Didn't hurt himself.

[Memes]

I thought that Marlon Humphrey, like, in every off season, I assume that he's retired just because of his Twitter account. He tweets like, excuse me, x dot com. He X is like, a retired guy. He's, like, promoting Ethereum and, like, all this weird shit. He's out of pocket on Twitter. And I absolutely love the guy, but he's a guy that psychs me out and I'm like, wait, did he retire or not?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What do you got? Hank, you had something. Oh, would you have Max? Did you lean in? Okay, I read that wrong. All right. Titans at Lions. I'm going to fucking do it again. I'm going to bet the Titans you're addicted. I didn't last week. I didn't last.

[Memes]

So did you think that they got better by getting rid of Hopkins?

[Big Cat]

No, I saw stat. Well, no, I think it's just neutral. Yeah, I think DeAndre Hopkins is going to be good for the Chiefs. But he was just. It was just neutral.

[Memes]

It is. That's like the classic Titans move too, isn't it? Like they love old wide receivers. Yeah, they love old wide receivers that were very, very good for other teams. So if you look at their history, they've signed at the end of their careers. Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, DeAndre Hopkins, Decker. To I don't think he played for the Titans, but it fits that vibe, right?

[Big Cat]

To definitely played for the Titans.

[Max]

In my brain, Randy Moss played for the Titans.

[Memes]

I said Randy Moss. Yeah. Eric Molds. They love getting old wide receivers that don't do shit for him. They never, never learned their lesson. You know what, Let me be the first to report. Amari Cooper will play for the Titans at some point at the end of his career.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but that's like 10 years from now. Yeah, he's still sneaky, kind of young. Yeah. I don't this. All right, so here's the case. And I don't know if I'm actually going to do it, but here's just at least the case. The Lions for the first time in franchise history are now the odds on favorites to win the nfc. The Lions are also. This is the first time that they are a double digit favorite under Dan Campbell. They just came off a very emotional two weeks where they killed the Cowboys, beat the Vikings in a back and forth shootout. They are now number one in the, you know, NFC North. They can beat the Titans with their hand behind their back. I'm not saying that the Lions are going to lose this game. I'm just saying 11 and a half is a lot of points because they pay those guys too. Titans run defense is pretty good and that's kind of where. And then I just fall off a cliff because then if you ask me, like, name one other nice thing about the Titan Titans. I'm like, can't.

[Memes]

I can name One, Adam. Adam Schefter is very close to their general manager because he's starting to just gas up their transactions online. So he's given credit to them for. I guess they've traded a linebacker and some draft picks and ended up with more draft picks and a better linebacker. So he's like, look between the, Read between the lines. This is how you build a team right now. I guess they might have started tanking. This might be. If you're a Titans fan.

[Big Cat]

Oh, they definitely have. I think Brian Callahan said our roster is going to be picked over.

[Memes]

Yeah. So they're. They're going to build for the future. I, I do agree with you that it is a lot of points.

[Big Cat]

It's just a letdown spot of letdown spots. And again, I think the Lions will win the game. I just don't know. Like, if they start a little slow, who knows? 11 and a half points. I, this is stupid. I'm, I, I'm going to do it, and I'm going to hate myself for doing it because the lines are going to be up 14, nothing. And then we'll just be like, okay, now that's over.

[Memes]

It feels like Tim Patrick season, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Tim Patrick. Allen Robinson.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So Jameson Williams suspended, but also was at practice.

[Memes]

Yeah. They're letting the rope down for him, is what Dan Campbell said.

[Big Cat]

He's got to pull back up.

[Memes]

Yeah, he lost. He lost grip of the rope. He had worked his way back up. But we're going to wait here, and that rope's going to be waiting for him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So I don't know if he's playing or not, because I think then there was a. There was an idea that he was appealing.

[Memes]

I don't think that he was appealing. I think he's.

[Big Cat]

But he was at practice.

[Memes]

I don't. I think he's going to start his suspension this week. I think. Although you. You made a good point that if he really wants to return fast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

The two games would be the ones.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Thursday night for violent.

[Big Cat]

Is. Is there anything about an appeal? Max, they're okay. So they're prepared to not have them. I just. It feels like there was. It feels like the suspension was announced and then it was by espn, but then the NFL didn't announce it, and it was just. The whole thing was kind of weird.

[Memes]

I think he's gonna, he's gonna sit out this week.

[Big Cat]

All right. I'm assuming he's gonna be out. All right. Next up, Cardinals, Dolphins. TUA is back. We think Tyreek Hill said that it. He wanted to cry. He said he looked great. Felt like old times. Me and him connected on a few deep shots today and that kind of got me feeling good today. I missed that. I missed him. I told him I got to take him and his wife to dinner because I missed him so much. Was so beautiful. That almost made me cry today. Like just having him in the lineup, having him call the plays, having him direct the offense, like just hearing his voice again, we'll say it seems like a really nice guy, but that's a Tim Boyle effect.

[Memes]

Well, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Tim Boyle's making grown men cry.

[Memes]

Yeah. It feels like it's back to having like a semblance of an actual offense right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Which I, I'm. I'm happy for Dolphins fans that you get to watch. Maybe more entertaining game. It's going to feel weird seeing two out there though. Every. Every time he gets sacked, I'm going to be like, oh, every time he tucks and runs with the ball, I'm going to be like, oh, be careful to. Be careful to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It's because we've seen all of his concussions have come in like standalone games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So he should be good. Knock on wood for this game.

[Memes]

Yeah. Because it's all. Eyes aren't on him right now.

[Big Cat]

No, no. I like the Dolphins in this game. I think short week for the Cardinals cross country. You mentioned it. Cardinals haven't won back to back games.

[Memes]

So they haven't won two weeks in a row in three years. They did win technically back to back games in like November of that season, but it was. There was a bye week in between. So like two weeks in a row. It's been November 24, 2021.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy.

[Memes]

So Dolphins would be. If we're going on history here, that would be a smart pick. Also, did you. Did you notice on Monday Night Football they had Kyler run the tush push twice in a row? Is he the worst quarterback to do a twist push with? Because their. Their play caller was defending that. He's like, we like that play. We're going to keep running it. It didn't work either time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he probably is.

[Memes]

Unless you price Young. Yeah. Bryce Young.

[Big Cat]

Unless Young would just get. I think, I think he would. There's a chance if he did the tush push, they would. The refs would come and do the pile and he'd just be dust underneath.

[Memes]

He just crumples into his shoes. Like when an anvil drops on a cartoon character. He's in the ground and then he starts standing up and makes the accordion sound.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

They could have Marvin Harrison Jr. Just pick up Kyler and throw him over the line of scrimmage. That would be the better play to run.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I like the Dolphins in this game, though. My friends at Sports Info Solutions, they have the Dolphins as the second best in terms of pass blocking. The Cardinals are our 25th in terms of D line, and they got injuries. So I think the Dolphins gonna be back. I think this is the week we're gonna be like Dolphins back.

[Memes]

So you remember when they scored 70 points against the Broncos?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Last year.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Okay. So the Dolphins now have 70 points through their first six games. Six games, 70 points. Last year they did that in one game.

[Big Cat]

Tim Boyle.

[Memes]

Tim Boyle effect.

[Big Cat]

Tim Boyle effect. Okay, next game. Wait, I lost my notes. I got it. Jets of Patriots memes. I'll start with you. Which one do you. Which story do you want to start with? Aaron Rodgers getting another injury added to him in his body or Aaron Rogers eating his own boogers? We'll go injury. Okay, so Aaron Rodgers has a hamstring injury that has been added to his ankle and knee injuries. I'm going to say it. He might be getting old.

[Memes]

You think he's injury prone?

[Big Cat]

I think he might be getting old. Pft. Every injuries happen. He's not that old.

[Memes]

Okay, he's pretty old.

[Big Cat]

He. He literally added a hamstring injury to his ankle and knee injury. Yeah, he might be old.

[Memes]

But would you have the same leg, have all those injuries or have them, like, sprinkled around like right hamstring, left ankle, right knee?

[Big Cat]

I think you need him sprinkled also. He is that old. He's going to be 41 in a month. Quarterbacks don't. Tom Brady fucked everyone's brain up.

[Max]

Yeah, I saw Jules say that. He's right.

[Big Cat]

He said that about. He's. He said it about Tom Brady going to the Bucks and Matthew Stafford going to the Rams and being like instant Super Bowl. He fucked up teams being like, we're a quarterback away, we can get the old quarterback. But just the age thing is what has fucked everyone up. Like 40, 41's an old quarterback. Yes, he's old. Okay.

[Memes]

He's old. I can't believe.

[Big Cat]

We had to. We had to. We had to drop stats on you of his age. He's. He's old.

[Memes]

But let's talk about the booger thing, because the jets have come a long way back in the day. They'd have Mark Sanchez and he would take the boogers out of his nose and then wipe them on Mark Brunel's jacket. Now you've got their quarterback taking his boogers out of his own nose and then swallowing them. What did you think when you saw that?

[Big Cat]

Aaron said he did not eat it. Okay.

[Memes]

I saw him eat the booger. He. He said the.

[Big Cat]

The other angle will show you that he did not.

[Memes]

Deep fake. It's a deep fake.

[Big Cat]

Can I half defend Aaron Rogers in this? Don't eat your boogers. I don't like when people shame for picking your nose. Everyone picks.

[Memes]

Picking your nose is fine.

[Big Cat]

Everyone in the world picks their nose. If you don't say. If you. If you say you don't pick your nose, you're a liar. It's the same thing as, like, people who pee in pools. Like, oh, I don't pee in pools. No, you're a liar. Yeah.

[Memes]

Picking your no is fine, but the conversation is like the. Eating the booger is. Is the part that concerns me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. He shouldn't eat. He shouldn't have eaten his booger. He said he has never eaten a booger.

[Memes]

But we saw him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we didn't.

[Memes]

It's on camera.

[Hank]

Never has to be a lie.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Never's a lie.

[Hank]

Like, when you're a kid, everyone is fried. A booger.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Hand up. I. I ate a booger when I was, like, five.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, for sure, Ivy. But whatever.

[Big Cat]

The worst thing I'm dealing with now is my son picks his nose. Then he just turns to me, says, where should I put this? What do you do? What do you mean? Like, it's your. It's your booger, dude. You fucking figure it out. I'm not taking it. He'll just, like, try to hand me his booger.

[Hank]

That is a valid question because you never really know where to put. I just flicky flick it and then. And then just.

[Memes]

It's someone else's problem.

[Hank]

I yelled at for that a lot in my household.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Hank]

I flick a lot of booger.

[Memes]

It just ends up on the girlfriend's.

[Max]

Getting, like, her feet stuck.

[Big Cat]

You need Aaron Rodgers to come clean it up with his mouth.

[Memes]

I had Lord Sailor used to eat boogers on the sub, but for him, it was like taking Adderall.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was.

[Memes]

He would get amped up. When Aaron Rodgers.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Memes]

Eats a booger, there's nothing there. There's. If anything, he's got, like, hallucinogens in there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Lord Sailors didn't want to waste any.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So you added. You fired Robert Salah. Yep. You added devonte Adams. You added Hassan Reddick. So this is every. Every week we got to do something for the jets to be like, hey, it's not the problem here. I have a new thing, too. Aaron Rogers said after the loss to the Steelers that there was a major moment in the team culture finally evolving because devonte Adams gave a speech that he said was the realest speech he'd heard in a locker room in 20 years. Yeah. Devonte Adams is now also the coach. Okay, okay.

[Memes]

Co coaches.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Player, owner, coach.

[Memes]

Devonte Adams.

[Big Cat]

You have to win this game. Memes. I'm with you if we win. I'm thinking. I'm thinking soupy.

[Memes]

I love that. What is the new guy, though? What does devonte Adams say that makes it the realest speech ever that Aaron Rodgers has ever heard in his first week with the team.

[Big Cat]

He probably was like, I heard a lot about how this jets organization sucked, but now that I'm here, oh, my God. Yeah, you guys weren't lying.

[Memes]

Yeah. Like, the realest speech.

[Max]

We got no help here. We have to do it just players. Because the organization is going to do shit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the organization, they raised ticket prices. Season ticket prices. Woody Johnson this past week. Perfect timing. Yeah. I think it was 23% last year and now 25% next year.

[Memes]

Yeah, they're in high demand. People just keep going. Devonte Adams is like, I want to see more Fireman Ed on the jumbotron. What the fuck is going on? The Fireman Ed Rogers did back Fireman.

[Big Cat]

Edge, which I respect, because I do think the ecosystem needs the super fan. The ecosystem needs a super fan.

[Memes]

Farming Ed's kind of a fraud. He walked away.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I know he did, but I think he was, like, fighting people because they'd be like, the jets suck. And then he was just. He was just fighting everyone.

[Memes]

And then he was like, I need to.

[Big Cat]

I just need to step away from.

[Memes]

No, he stepped away after the Butt Fumble. He gave up on the franchise. I heard a story that he was just. It was fist fight.

[Big Cat]

People were like, the jets sucking? He's like, nuh. Yeah, pretty much.

[Memes]

I think he gave a statement after the Butt Fumble. He's like, I'm not coming back. This team is a disgrace. So I agree, though. Like, the NFL ecosystem, I do love the super fan. The super fan is important, especially the ones that think they're a part of the team. Yeah, I love that about the NFL. I just think that in this case, Fireman Ed, kind of a fraud. You can't just quit and then come Back.

[Big Cat]

Memes, I have something positive. Memes is right.

[Hank]

Memes is right.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he got in a fight.

[Hank]

According to Wikipedia, which is fact, he retired as a self proclaimed mascot of the New York jets, stating he would attend games but not in character.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Hank]

He later explained that confrontations with a small number of jets fans had ruined the experience for him. Yeah, actually that's not. That doesn't necessarily mean fight.

[Memes]

But he also chose the game after the butt fumble to do it.

[Big Cat]

The question is, did he still go to the games if he just didn't go in character? I think he. I think he's okay.

[Hank]

But you could just. He could just say that. He could just say that I was going to the games and when he wasn't.

[Big Cat]

True. We gotta see if we can find him at the games. Quits is just unofficial. I love that he quit too. Just because again, he's unofficial. So he didn't have to quit to anyone.

[Memes]

Yeah. He gave up his salary of $0.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Memes, I have some positive things for you. You ready for it? Ready. The jets last four games they have played the second, it is all EPA per play. Second best defense, the first best defense, the 11th best defense, the sixth best defense. So they have had a mini gauntlet here in terms of playing against really tough defenses. The Patriots defense is quote unquote soft.

[Max]

They don't have soft players.

[Big Cat]

Do you think, do you think that there will be a bounce off of soft game?

[Max]

It's either. It's going to be a bounce. I just don't know which way it's going to go. It's either going to be, you know, a locker room comes together or the dissension is everywhere and the team gives up and they get blown out.

[Memes]

There was a rumor going around.

[Max]

So it's either going to be a win or a 20 point loss. No, but like what's your prediction?

[Big Cat]

A win or a loss?

[Max]

I lean towards 20 point loss.

[Memes]

There's a rumor this week that Jared Mayo was going to be one and done.

[Max]

Yeah, I've heard that. That's picking up steam.

[Memes]

Picking up a lot of steam.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So there was a rumor he was going to get fired this week. Yeah.

[Memes]

Then here in Braves hot seat. Yeah, dude, Just a switch. Gerard Mayo, would you like to see that?

[Max]

Not this week. I think you got to give him the season. But I think reading the comments, by.

[Big Cat]

The way, under like anyone who reports what Kirk says is so funny. Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

[Max]

Kirk Minahan reported that they were getting rid of him.

[Big Cat]

I Believe the report. I believe the report. No, he said 48 hours. I believe.

[Max]

Right.

[Memes]

It's imminent. I believe they're going to fire him right before the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It could happen at any moment within these 48 hours.

[Max]

I think that's unfair to coach Mayo to do this year, but I think it's probably smart to move on after the season.

[Big Cat]

Someone else had a clip. I saw. Maybe Simmons posted a clip that was like. It was a clip from five years ago that was Kraft being like, yeah, Gerard Mayo's our coach and waiting. That feels like an un. That feels like. It explains a lot from the last five years. Yeah. That you had a guy who was in the building on Belichick staff who's like, oh, yeah, he's anointed. And I mean, the wheels have fallen off.

[Max]

Kraft did the interview with the Breakfast Club. I don't know if we talked about this on Wednesday, but crafted the interview with the Breakfast Club. He said that he was the one that fired Belichick. Before that, it had been basically, you know, said to the public that it was a mutual parting of ways and that's what opened the floodgates for Belichick to go in on Kraft. And, you know, the first four weeks he didn't say much about the Patriots or negative. And then after Kraft said that is when Belichick said it on McAfee show, he went on Brady's podcast to show that it's not a him and Brady thing. So I think the wheels have completely fallen off. I think Belichick's going to keep, you know, keep leaning on giving his honest opinion on the Patriots. And it's probably going to get bad before it's going to get worse before it gets better. So I lean towards 20 point blowout.

[Big Cat]

What did the Breakfast Club ask him about getting jerked off?

[Max]

I don't know. I didn't watch the full interview.

[Memes]

I want to know that answer.

[Big Cat]

I'm sure they did. They had to.

[Max]

I doubt it. Charlamagne, based off the fact that they were saying everything on the Roast of Brady and once they mentioned that once, that was the only time someone got shut down.

[Big Cat]

So.

[Memes]

Yeah, but you can't tell Charlamagne not to ask about the jack off thing.

[Big Cat]

No, I bet you they did.

[Memes]

He would say no. No deal on the interview. They definitely talked about it off air.

[Max]

Yeah, probably.

[Big Cat]

They probably. Yeah. We're like, what's your favorite spots? This is the first time since 2001. 02 season that the jets have been favored against the Patriots in consecutive games. That's pretty crazy.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So long it's been. Means you have to win this game. It's the most. It might be the most must win game of your life. It is the most must win. And for a regular team, we would easily win this because the past two games we played the Patriots, we've had, I think seven plus sacks each time and now there's no David Andrews. But it's the jets. So I have no idea. Realistically, all this hype going into it as the jets, we lose this game by like Greg's early, Greg Zerline, miss field goal and then that's it.

[Memes]

All this hype going into it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There's so much hype into this matchup.

[Memes]

Now. I do have a stat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is the. This is the game of the week.

[Memes]

I do have a stat. In terms of the over under. The under is 11 and two out of the last 13 times that the jets have played against AFC east opponents. And the under is five and oh, the last five times that the jets and Patriots have played.

[Big Cat]

I love the over.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I just think the Patriots are an.

[Memes]

Over team now because of Drake May.

[Big Cat]

And their defense is terrible.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, they flip to an over team and it's. It's slowly catching up, but it hasn't all the way caught up.

[Memes]

We're going to find out if calling your team soft works, though.

[Big Cat]

True.

[Memes]

That might be a variable in this. It's like they. They just called the S word.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So they might go out there and be like, fuck that we're hard.

[Big Cat]

Drake May is going to give him a shot. Hank, you could win this game or lose. You sure? Yeah, I think so.

[Max]

We could tie.

[Memes]

No, you're not going to. This is not a tie game.

[Big Cat]

Not a tie game.

[Memes]

We already have one tie this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, next game. Falcons at Bucks. The Bucks are in the cream school jerseys. The Bucks have lost everyone, so they have no Godwin, no Mike Evans. That's not everyone. But it feels like everyone because those guys basically amount for all their catches.

[Memes]

And Bucky time, they're going to go full time.

[Big Cat]

Bucky, Sterling shepherd time.

[Memes]

I don't know. I don't know who they're going to pass through. I think I feel like Baker has played on teams that have been, like, utterly deserted of wide receivers in the past, so I feel like he will. It's not going to be super ugly for the Bucks, but they've been a pretty good offense with their wide receivers playing, they're going to fall back to, like, middle of the road.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. This is a. I mean this is a huge game. This is a huge game for the division. This is a huge game. These two teams. It does feel like our game. Pft. And this game, that's. That you guys could obviously still win your division, but that's going to be kind of the mix up race for a wild card spot.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They're important, impactful games.

[Memes]

Yes. So I, I would say that they're going to be three teams from the NFC north that get into the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

And there could even. There could be four.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Basically, if the Bucks.

[Memes]

If sucks.

[Big Cat]

If someone runs away from your. The NFC east, the Eagles or Commanders just like rip off a bunch of wins and the other team dies. And then the Bucks die. It could feasibly be all four teams. Yeah.

[Memes]

Which would be wild. So tampa, they are 1 and 4 in the Creamsicles. When they wear those, it still looks cool.

[Big Cat]

It does look cool. But it also. That's not great. That's not great. And not having Mike Evans for the Creamsicles feels.

[Memes]

Yeah. When you do a throwback, I mean, the jersey itself is going to be cool to look at. I like it when the Bucks wear the creamsicles, but they're throwing back to like the worst era of football ever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

When the Bucks actually wore those week in, week out, they were a very, very bad football team with the exception of 1979.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

But besides that, it's like we're doing a throwback to celebrate our worst years as a franchise.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think I lean the Falcons in this game, but I also, I don't know this. I can't decide if this is one of those games where it's going to be so easy because it's like, hey, the Bucks have no offense. Or everyone thinks that. And the Bucks, like, how'd they do that? Oh, they threw, you know, 15 screen passes to Bucky Irving.

[Memes]

Yeah. Bucky's going to eat and they're going to fire that fucking cannon a few times. Which is so funny that the NFL is cracking down on the gun celebrations.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like you can't pull out a fake shotgun and blast a guy in the face five times after sacking him. But then every time you score a touchdown, Raymond James Stadium just lights up like an armory.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You can't. You can't even flash your Patriots too.

[Memes]

Yeah, Patriots. That's right. They actually have guns. Dudes with guns in the end zone. But if Drake may pulls out if he just shows a simulated gun in his waistband.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Roger Goodell is going to come at that ass.

[Max]

What about the shooter? McGavin? Probably can't do that.

[Memes]

I don't think so. You can't even do a bow and arrow cell.

[Big Cat]

No guns. No guns. Can't do it.

[Memes]

What if you say it was a squirt gun? What if you pump it and you, you demonstrate it's a super soaker.

[Max]

That could be a shotgun.

[Big Cat]

What if you, what if you, like, Joe Horn, when he pulled the cell phone out, out of the goal post? What if underneath the goal post, you keep, like, a little orange cap and you put it on the, on the top of your finger so it's clear that it's like a cap gun? Yeah. It's not real.

[Memes]

I think that could work.

[Big Cat]

I think that works. That's what they got to do. Just save a little orange cap and just put it on right after you score.

[Memes]

Yeah, I like that idea a lot.

[Max]

What if you line up your offensive lineman, I feel like they've probably done this before, but you throw a grenade, fake throw it, and then they all fall.

[Memes]

Grenades are fine.

[Big Cat]

Grenades are totally fine.

[Memes]

Yeah, grenades are good.

[Big Cat]

But drones are fine, too.

[Memes]

You can't do a gun.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What if you do a drone? Yeah.

[Memes]

What if Joe Horn pulled out that cell phone, he dialed the number, and he was simulating that there were pagers on all the opponent's belts that blew up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or it's. He pulls out the, the cell phone, he just shows the camera a video of, like, a Russian soldier getting drone killed as he gives up, which I somehow see five times a day.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's. It's insane, isn't it? That's like the scariest thing ever. A dude just, like, standing in the.

[Big Cat]

Middle of the field, just be like, please don't kill me. And then the drone just, the drone's.

[Memes]

Like, sorry, you're dead.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're dead, buddy. Okay. Packers at Jaguars. Robert Salah has found a temporary home. He is coaching the offense from a defensive perspective.

[Memes]

I love that. And so he's on the sidelines there, which is like taking a picture of your ex's ex on Instagram and posting it just to get. I feel like that was directed at Aaron Rodgers.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

I, that's why Robert Salah is in Green Bay.

[Big Cat]

Yes. That. That's why. Probably Matt LaFleur was like, hey, come here. I, I, I know exactly what you went through.

[Memes]

Yeah, we can just talk about it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we can just. Yeah, we can just talk together.

[Memes]

So it's also a Doug Peterson kind of Revenge game because he was a backup quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Green Bay packers for a while.

[Big Cat]

Sure. The Jaguars, I think are going to get lit up by Jordan.

[Memes]

Love you think so?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I kind of like the Jags this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is.

[Memes]

I. I'm not to win.

[Big Cat]

Overthink it. Yeah, I'm not going to overthink it. I'm not going to overthink it. I think the packers are. Their offenses looked good.

[Memes]

They're a much better.

[Big Cat]

Looks good.

[Memes]

They're a much better team. It's in Jacksonville. They're on a kind of winning streak.

[Big Cat]

The Jaguars.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They've won one game.

[Memes]

One game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

They could make it a winning streak.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they could make it a big winning streak. Okay. Colts of Texans. I don't want to pick on Anthony Richardson, but I have to just share a stat. Anthony Richardson completion percentage this year is 48.5%. What do you think? The second worst quarterback. So that's last the NFL. 48.5% of his passes are being completed. Who's the second to second worst quarterback and what's their completion percentage?

[Max]

DeSean?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

Gardner?

[Big Cat]

No. It's Jacoby Brissette and his completion percentage was 58.5%. So the second worst is 10% better than the worst in Anthony Richardson. And among players with 150 plus attempts in their first two seasons in the NFL, these are the lowest completion percentages over the last decade. Bryce Petty, 53.1. DeSean Kaiser, 53.1. Anthony Richardson, 53.5.

[Memes]

It's not good company to be in.

[Big Cat]

No. Sean Kaiser and Bryce Petty is not good.

[Memes]

I feel like they're going to just. They're going to run him until he gets hurt. I think that's the plan for the Colts. It's like we're not going to tell him to slide. We're not going to call plays to protect him. We're going to let him do what he does the best, which is throw it deep and then sometimes run into people.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor will be back, too. That will help.

[Memes]

That's a big one. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The Texans are weird. The Texans are good, but their offense is not good.

[Memes]

They're not. They don't feel like they're as dominant as they were in stretches last year. Right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, their offense is like, like hard to watch, especially without Nico Collins.

[Memes]

And then some of the weird stuff with time management at the end of games. Yeah, they just. I know that everyone picked the Texans to go far in the postseason this year, but I haven't seen Them stand out. I mean, their record is very good, but I haven't seen him stand out as being like, this is an incredible team. That's all put together.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. Agreed. Okay. Next game I'm going to probably end up.

[Memes]

Oh, they got Devin White, though.

[Big Cat]

They got Devin White.

[Memes]

Devin White, Eagles legend.

[Big Cat]

The colts also got DeForest Buckner back, which should.

[Memes]

That's big.

[Big Cat]

His practice window open. I don't know if he's going to play, but that. That should be hu. Huge for the Colts. Yeah. Saints at Chargers. Alvin Camara is playing with a broken hand and also he got a new contract which is perfectly Saints.

[Memes]

That's really good. So, I mean, the Saints are your choices right now. If you're in the Saints front office, it's like keep restructuring the guys that you have and giving them like longer terms on their contract and keep kicking the can down the road, which has worked for them in the past. But the difference is right now those guys are already old.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And so now you're just extending them and making your team older in like two years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They're the. I think the move they made with, with Camara is it saved them $18 million.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which I don't really understand how that works. They signed him to do a new contract, but they saved money doing it. But yeah, that's. I think that's their only solution now is to just keep doing new contracts to save money and push it down.

[Memes]

On your current players.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So what the Saints might end up doing is just in the next like 10 years, have the exact same roster and they're a team of 45 year old guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And they lose every game. But you're not in capell.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's how they slowly climb out of.

[Memes]

Cap hell, which is very relatable.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Which is like, I'll just deal with this problem in two years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Two years might not even happen.

[Big Cat]

The Chargers have to win this game. They have to win this game. Yeah. They have to win this game. I do think they will win this game. I think they can run the ball. The Saints defense is very, very bad. They're worst in the league in terms of. Of yards per carry against 5.4 yards per carry. So I feel like the Chargers are going to just be like, we're going to smash this down your throat. But at least the Saints. It does feel like the Saints will be a little bit. They look better than they did last Thursday because they're going to get olave back. They got some offensive linemen back I just want it to be a better I. The Saints are such a bummer to watch. Be a little competitive. Yeah.

[Memes]

Spencer Rattler had some very, some of the most just hilarious turnover plays last week. Yeah, I hope we get more of those. The Chargers, they have not scored an offensive touchdown in the second half since week one. Week one was the only time they did that.

[Big Cat]

They need a wide receiver.

[Memes]

They need somebody that can catch the ball.

[Big Cat]

They need ball catchers.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Bad, bad. Bills at Seahawks. DK Metcalf, if he doesn't play. I like the Bills.

[Memes]

I. I would guess that he's not going to play.

[Big Cat]

He is officially out.

[Memes]

It's a grade one mcl. That sounds bad.

[Big Cat]

That does sound bad.

[Memes]

I'm gonna guess that he's not playing.

[Max]

Yeah, I know it's questionable.

[Big Cat]

We gotta have DK back on sometime. I. I'll say it. And, and we could, we could even tweet this. Adam, I think DK uses the cart too much.

[Memes]

Well, he. It's because he did it that one time when he had to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, every time he goes on the cart is like season ending injury.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's what it feels like. So when you see someone, it's. I understand dk. You don't want to walk and you want to get a ride, but you make everyone who's a Seahawks fan, who's a fan of you, which we include everyone in this room, very nervous whenever you get in the car. Yeah.

[Memes]

I think that it really does go back to the time where he used it. When he didn't need to use it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

When. Unless he had already shit his pants. If there was like a brown stain, then I understand that just. Or you could just wrap a towel around your waist and duck waddle to the bathroom. That would have been fine too. But since then, it's the boy who cried. What? Yeah, with the cart. I think in this case he's probably out. He's week to week, grade one MCL sprint. I'm going to guess that he's not playing.

[Max]

He's missing the next two practices. Then we'll have his sprain MCL evaluated on Friday.

[Memes]

He also could be a guy who just regenerates. Like he's in that good of shape. If you look at DK Metcalf where it's like he can just sit and focus really hard on his knee on Friday afternoon and be like, okay, I'm better now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Bobo. Tom.

[Big Cat]

Bobo.

[Memes]

Bobo.

[Big Cat]

Bobo.

[Memes]

Jsn Bobo.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. This is going to be a fun game. This is a very Fun game in the afternoon. Yeah. I'm excited for it. Panthers and Broncos. Bryce Young, he's back, Baby, back.

[Memes]

Andy Dalton got into a car accident, hurt his thumb.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Kind of a weird injury to have in a car accident, but I'm glad that that's all that it was. But this is bad. This is bad for the Panthers for two reasons. One, Bryce Young's going to play quarterback for you. And two, whatever trade value you think you have for Bryce Young is now up in the air because he could get injured or it just going to remind everybody how bad Bryce Young is.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

So the longer you go without having to watch Bryce Young, like NFL GMs, they're just like us. If you spend two months and you haven't seen Bryce Young play football, you're like, maybe that guy's not that bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

But now you're going to be reminded about how bad he is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it's going to be bad because according to Sports Info Solutions, Panthers are the worst team versus the blitz, and the Broncos blitz the second most in the NFL. And also the Panthers have the 31st ranked rushing defense in terms of DVOA. So it's going to be the Broncos running the ball down their throat and then blitzing the out of them. I know this is a big line. I don't know how you could possibly take the Panthers. They're irredeemable.

[Memes]

I don't know either.

[Big Cat]

They're irredeemable.

[Memes]

Nine and a half points.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Irredeemable.

[Memes]

Yeah. I still like the Broncos.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I think you could probably make it 13 and a half. The defense last week was just so, so bad.

[Big Cat]

So bad.

[Memes]

And their offense, which had been at times not as bad as their defense was as bad, if not worse than their defense was.

[Big Cat]

Yes, yes.

[Memes]

And what. But what I respect about him in the game against the commanders, you're getting the kicked out of you by Marcus Mariota. And starting in like the second quarter, you just start running the football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And you're like, we're just gonna. We're gonna make this game end as fast as we can.

[Big Cat]

Running clock.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Chiefs wrapping up. We got a couple more Chiefs at Raiders. I wanted to take the Raiders, but then I remembered, do you guys remember over the summer training camp when the Raiders had that video of Kermit the Frog dresses Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes quote after that was. Stuff like that happens. It will get handled. When it gets handled, that feels like it's going to get handled.

[Memes]

This, this is but the Raiders are also a team that will not let Patrick Mahomes tiptoe along the sidelines and let up on true. They're going to. They're going to finish those plays. I. I do agree though. That was. That was a crazy move for the Raiders to play.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[Memes]

Crazy with like a new coaching staff coming in your quarterbacks or Gardner, Minshew and aoc. Why. Why are you doing that? I guess the one thing you can say about the Raiders is they can. They can lean into their team identity being we're the one team that will beat the fuck out of Patrick Mahomes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's really all they have going for him because I mean, they are a weird team. They beat the Ravens and they lost to the Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I have it for you.

[Memes]

That's how strange the Raiders are.

[Big Cat]

You ready for this? So this is from Josh Dubo, AP the Raiders are the last team to beat the Chiefs.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Christmas 2023 the last team to beat the Ravens. Week two. The only team to lose to the 2024 Panthers. Week three and the only team to lose a team to a team. Coach By Jeff Saturday Week 102022 yeah.

[Memes]

They'Re such a weird.

[Big Cat]

They're the weirdest team.

[Memes]

They're so weird. I mean, that looking back at that Ravens win, it's like what the happened in that fourth quarter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was crazy, but it's.

[Memes]

I think that was actually good for the Ravens to see that happen to them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. DeAndre Hopkins is going to be good for the Chiefs. I know that he has not been great this year, but it doesn't matter.

[Memes]

He still got the hands.

[Big Cat]

He's still got the hands and it doesn't really matter. It's just like this is where the Chiefs are at. Yeah, they're going to add him. He's going to be great. He's pro. He's not like he doesn't have the explosion that he used to have, you know, beating people deep. But doesn't matter. You have Xavier Worthy on the outside. DeAndre Hopkins can just catch everything.

[Memes]

He will catch everything. He's still very good. I think we predicted that DeAndre Hopkins would be on the Chiefs in like week two.

[Big Cat]

And it's going to work.

[Memes]

Right. It's like this is his. It's his destiny to get just like stay in shape by playing on the Titans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You're still practicing football and catching balls. You're not really competing that much, but you are going to be a Chief and you're going to win the super bowl with the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Yes. By the way, Patrick Mahomes has the most interceptions of any QB in the NFL since the start of last season. That's pretty crazy.

[Memes]

That is wild.

[Big Cat]

22. Sam Howell. 21. Jordan Love, 19. Jalen Hurts, 19.

[Memes]

Do you know what's going on with Max Crosby?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, he's like, maybe getting traded.

[Memes]

He said, yeah, he might get traded. And then he said, I'm a Raider. Let me say that. Let me make this pretty clear. I am a Raider. I want to be a Raider. And his name keeps getting brought up. And they were doing an interview with him the other day, and they said, like, what if Antonio Pierce called you guys soft? And he's kind of like, mumbled through it? And then he was like, wait, did he call us soft? And the interviewer was like, yeah, he called you guys soft. And then his reaction, his. His quote was, I would have a major issue if I was a player, especially another man calling you soft. I mean, those are fighting words. Maybe it worked by Antonio Pierce.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, if your reaction is that's fighting words, maybe that's the right word to say to you to make you want to fight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, Max Crosby, if he gets traded, that would be. Someone would get really, really good.

[Hank]

Memes are saying that he backtracked, that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he backtracked. Yeah. It was on Jim Gray's podcast.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Afterwards. Jim Gray, again, we've said this before. How the does that guy just have all these, like, shows with, like. How does he have a show with Tom Brady?

[Memes]

He's just secret commissioner.

[Max]

They're just boys.

[Big Cat]

But Jim Gray was on that show. Jim Gray hasn't done anything in, like, 20 years. And he's just. He still gets, like, the biggest. Did he do the decision? Yeah, I feel like it's crazy. I feel like Jim.

[Max]

And they're talking about it on the podcast.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Max]

He was the one that interviewed Tyson. Like, the.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Back is broken.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Jim Gray might be secretly super, super wealthy.

[Big Cat]

Did you guys know this is like Jim Rohn. Did you know that Joe Buck has been calling NFL games since 1994?

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

Isn't that crazy?

[Memes]

One of the first Fox guys.

[Big Cat]

So I saw a clip, it was the 30th anniversary of the longest punt return in N NFL history. 103 yards. Because the rule used to not be if it goes in the end zone, it's not immediately dead. So it was a Saints Oilers game, I want to say. And the ball hit the back, basically the back part of the End zone and then bounced forward. And the Oilers guy just picked it up and ran it. So he ran. He picked it up in the end zone and ran it. And I was listening, I was like, is this Joe Buck? And it was Joe Buck from 1994.

[Memes]

And that's a play that will never be. That record won't be broken because of the way that the. Correct. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Can you play it? I know we can't. Well, no, you could play it. The audio of it.

[Hank]

Say this again. I was looking at Jim Gray.

[Big Cat]

Everything.

[Hank]

Jim Gray.

[Big Cat]

Jim Gray. It's crazy and it's. It's nuts. And he's got, like. I don't know what his personality is. He's just. Jim Gray. It was the longest punt return in NFL history. 1994 Saints, Oilers. I was shocked. I. I mean, I. I felt a little bad that I didn't know that fact, but when I heard it, I was like, is this Jack Buck? How could this be Jack Buck? No, it's Joe Buck.

[Memes]

Let's see.

[Big Cat]

Is this it? Yeah.

[Memes]

Tommy Barnhart shot it off because they're out of timeout.

[PFT Commenter]

So a big stop on third down, and now Barnhart.

[Big Cat]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. 1994, like, 25. Look at this play. Those Rams could not pull it up short of the end zone. I think the way the returns have been going in this game, I just assumed. Wait a minute. What's going on out here? They down the ball. This is going to be a touchdown. That. That. That is one of the most unbelievable plays I've ever seen. They never downed the ball. It was sitting in the end zone. And the Rams picked it up and scored.

[Memes]

Buck kind of got owned on that play. Call didn't. Yeah, like the. The analyst just took over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Joe was just probably confused.

[Memes]

Probably pissing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

Pissing in a beer bottle.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy, though. 25 years old, calling NFL games.

[Memes]

Very cool.

[Big Cat]

Nuts.

[Memes]

Also, shout out Jake, who's going to be doing some college basketball stuff, right? Yeah, very cool. Jake, cb, CBS feast week.

[Big Cat]

I love feast week so much. I love feast week so much. Bears and commanders the game. Is he going to play?

[Memes]

I reported on Monday that he was.

[Big Cat]

Going to play, so he's guaranteed play. So what can people do if he doesn't play? To you?

[Memes]

I stand by my reporting.

[Big Cat]

So if he doesn't play, what do you. What. What can people do?

[Memes]

There could be a material change, but I stand by my reporting.

[Big Cat]

He has to play.

[Memes]

He has to play. Play. Right. You can find me. You can find me I don't think it's playing. Yeah. Why?

[Big Cat]

I don't think he's playing either.

[Memes]

Why not?

[Big Cat]

I just think that it's like. It's just our luck.

[Memes]

But he knows how much this game means to us.

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know if he does. He does because he would have already been practicing.

[Memes]

He's doing a little rope a dope. The ribs are fine. Look, your ribs a long way from your heart. That's actually not that true.

[Big Cat]

No, they're very close.

[Memes]

They're very close.

[Big Cat]

They actually protect your heart.

[Memes]

But he's going to play.

[Hank]

Yes, Max, I have a question. Yeah, Max, did you say anything at.

[Big Cat]

I knew this was. I forgot. I forgot that Max was there.

[Hank]

Did you say anything at the out of Order live show last night?

[Big Cat]

I did not. I.

[Max]

Sounds like he did.

[Memes]

What do you say?

[Big Cat]

Comedy show. Comedy show.

[Memes]

Is he afraid? Comedy Afraid to repeat it on the podcast? Is Big Cat a studio gangster?

[Big Cat]

This is maybe why I texted you guys and asked if you were coming to the show, and then I forgot Max was there. Remember? I texted you guys. I went up. Nick, our good friend Nick. I knew he was gonna do this to me. I thought of it as I was walking out. I was like, Max was there as I was walking or. Sorry. Nick was saying some unkind things to Caleb Williams. I was emceeing. So I. Fights went first introduced. Fights introduced Nick. Nick said some unkind things to Caleb Williams. I went up and I was like, hey, guys, Caleb Williams is so fucking good. Like, he's gonna change all of our lives. And then I might have said, because PFT is not here. I think Caleb's way better than Gene Daniels. But that was off. That was. I'm just there.

[Memes]

I'm just curious. Off air.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Delete this part. So I'm declaring. This is off air, too.

[Big Cat]

How many.

[Memes]

How many Rookie of the weeks has Caleb.

[Big Cat]

I don't. Listen, I didn't. I. I just said. How many said what? I said I.

[Memes]

Can we look that up?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Rookie of the week is an award. I do not care.

[Memes]

I'm just curious.

[Big Cat]

Off air, I just. I had to say what I thought.

[Memes]

Thought, well, we'll find out, won't we?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't care about Rookie of the weeks. How many touchdowns?

[Memes]

No, I'm saying we'll find out.

[Big Cat]

How many touchdowns.

[Memes]

How many overall touchdowns does Caleb have?

[Big Cat]

I think more than Jaden Daniels.

[Memes]

You played against the Jaguars.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you played against the Panthers. Oh, he got hurt because he can't.

[Memes]

No, he didn't. Get any touchdowns in that game?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, because he got hurt.

[Memes]

So actually Caleb's played more games than Jaden.

[Big Cat]

5. The best ability is availability.

[Memes]

Well, he's also.

[Big Cat]

How has he played more?

[Memes]

Wait, we're counting 1, 1, 2, 3. He only has three. I thought he had more than that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, how is he played?

[Memes]

Does he have five? Rookie of the week.

[Big Cat]

I have a question. How has.

[Memes]

Pretty good.

[Big Cat]

How is Caleb Williams played more games than Jaden Daniels when the Commanders haven't had a buy?

[Memes]

Oh, we did last week against the.

[Big Cat]

So they played the exact same amount of games.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, about that. But Jaden's different.

[Big Cat]

That's fine.

[Memes]

Jaden's.

[Big Cat]

I love my guy.

[Memes]

Jaden's different.

[Big Cat]

Monday night I also knew Max was in the crowd and I knew he was going to bring this up.

[Memes]

What's. What's Caleb.

[Big Cat]

But it's good for the show.

[Memes]

What's his record in prime time?

[Big Cat]

I owe in one. I don't care. These are, these are. I. I don't give a fuck about rookie of the week. I don't give a fuck about record in prime time. I give a fuck about how I feel. I think Caleb Williams is really good.

[Max]

Record in primetime is pretty important.

[Memes]

All eyes on you.

[Big Cat]

One game.

[Max]

You're going to make it to the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

That's a one game sample size you had. We actually don't have a lot of prime time.

[Memes]

Who did you bet on to be MVP this year?

[Big Cat]

I didn't actually make the bet because remember, he went from 22 to 1 to 10 to 1 to then 18:1 and they lost. And I was like, well, I missed that.

[Memes]

All right, so it was Joe Burrow, though.

[Big Cat]

I was, I was saying at the time that if you want, if you thought the Bengals could beat the Ravens, you should bet on Joe Burrow to be mvp. They didn't beat the Ravens.

[Memes]

But you've been saying he's been playing at an MVP level.

[Big Cat]

He was. Yeah.

[Memes]

So when Jaden, when he beat him in his own house.

[Big Cat]

Does Jaden Daniels play against Joe Burrow?

[Memes]

He did.

[Big Cat]

He. He played again. Joe Burrow was playing cornerback against Jaden Daniels. He outscored the 24th defense in the league.

[Memes]

Well, we didn't really have a defense out there and the Bengals didn't really have a defense out there. But Jaden had more points than Joe Burrow.

[Big Cat]

Right. But Joe, Joe. Joe Burrow was playing defense against Jaden Daniel.

[Memes]

Basically. Yeah, he could have if he, if, if Joe Burrow had scored more points than Jaden that would be kind of playing.

[Big Cat]

I hope. I hope. I hope Jaden Daniels plays. I hope he's not a pussy about it.

[Memes]

I hope he. I hope he plays, too.

[Big Cat]

He better. You said he was gonna play.

[Memes]

I reported. I. I didn't say I reported that. Jaden Daniels, which is more than saying it.

[Big Cat]

I want him to play.

[Memes]

So it's a tattoo bet?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If Jaden plays.

[Big Cat]

No, I think no matter what.

[Memes]

So when we talked about, like, what the most hilarious outcome in terms of.

[Big Cat]

Last year was the worst game ever.

[Memes]

In terms of ratings for the podcast, which is why we want.

[Max]

If you lose the Marcus Mariota, you need to get, like, a lay.

[Memes]

That's what I'm saying. If you.

[Big Cat]

You should get.

[Memes]

No, you should get the. The Polynesian, like, shoulder tattoo.

[Big Cat]

No, I choose. I. If I lose, I'm gonna choose my own tattoo, but I'll honor it with or without Jaden Daniels. If you. If you want it, it's your. Because you're the one who got the tattoo last year. Because the Bears beat the Commanders, so.

[Memes]

I fuck out of them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I will. Whatever the. If you want to call it off for Marcus Mariota, I'm happy to do that. No, I don't care.

[Memes]

I'm not going to call it off.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Because I believe in my guys.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

I believe in my guys. Now you don't. Dick Buck has passed away, like, right before the game last year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Mike Wick is pretty old.

[Memes]

That felt. Oh, my God. I didn't even think about Mike. Dick.

[Big Cat]

I did. Yeah.

[Memes]

Okay. The bets. The bets off if Mike. If.

[Big Cat]

No, Dick.

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

No, that's my one stipulation. If he passes away within one hour of kickoff.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Memes]

One hour, like Sunday morning, whatever.

[Big Cat]

It's between 10 and 12 a. Or. No, no, no. His kickoff is 3:25 Central Time. He's.

[Memes]

If he passes out or if he passes away during the early slate of games.

[Big Cat]

Second half, that's like an hour and a half, two hour window.

[Memes]

Second quarter counts.

[Big Cat]

No, under the two minute warning, there has to be at least one game over the two minute.

[Memes]

Okay, deal. Deal. Then the bet's off.

[Big Cat]

But otherwise, every game that. It starts when every game is under the two minute warning. Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

Listen. Last year, I bet on Sam. How. Yeah, if there's one, I will honor the bet. I will honor the bet. With Marcus Mariota, The Bears were 10.

[Big Cat]

And 4, I believe at the time, one in three bad.

[Memes]

It was a bad game. You guys played really well. But, yeah, me and Big Cat will Have. We'll have marks. It's like, I'll have a tapestry. That's what they used to do back in medieval times to, like, commemorate everything that happened in their history. It's like, oh, here's a. Here's a painting of us losing this one battle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

That's what our.

[Big Cat]

Tell the story.

[Memes]

That's what our bodies are.

[Big Cat]

Story of this rivalry that everyone talks about. This famous Bears commander's rivalry.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Are you feeling good?

[Memes]

I think.

[Big Cat]

I think it's hard to judge this game because we just don't know if he's playing.

[Memes]

I want you to be happy, Big cat. And I. I want Caleb Williams to be a good quarterback. But to say that he's had a better year.

[Big Cat]

That's not what I said. That's not. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. That is not what I said. That's not what I said, bro.

[Memes]

You're gonna be good, right?

[Big Cat]

That's not what I said. You. You're changing. Changing. And that makes me think that you're scared that you're saying you're changing the words to this year. That's not what I said. I did not say Caleb Williams has played better than Jaden Daniels this year. That is unequivocally not what I said.

[Memes]

What did you say?

[Big Cat]

I said I think Caleb Williams is better than Jaden Daniels going forward.

[Memes]

But how can you say that when Jaden.

[Big Cat]

Because I.

[Memes]

Clearly a better player.

[Big Cat]

Because that's just what I think going forward.

[Memes]

I think if you're.

[Big Cat]

What? That's not. That's not a crazy thing to say.

[Memes]

You're saying I. I hope that one day Caleb will be better.

[Big Cat]

No, I think that Caleb Williams going forward is going to be the better quarterback. I did not say any. Anything about this year. So you could do the rookie of the weeks, but that is irrelevant to me because I'm talking about the future.

[Memes]

You're talking about what hasn't happened yet.

[Big Cat]

I'm talking about the future.

[Memes]

You're talking about what you. What you hope is going to happen.

[Big Cat]

What do we do on this show? Talk about what hasn't happened? I like the whole preview.

[Memes]

There's one thing about me. I like to live in reality.

[Big Cat]

All right. Yeah. Jaden, Max is trying to change what I said.

[Hank]

I never. I never actually.

[Big Cat]

Pft is the one who you want to go with the rookie of the week.

[Memes]

I wasn't there. I don't know what you said.

[Big Cat]

No, I never. I never said that. I never said he's better than him this year.

[Hank]

No, he just said that I think he's a, he's a better quarterback.

[Big Cat]

He's gonna be a better quarterback. Yeah, I think he's going to be a better quarterback.

[Memes]

They say going to be.

[Big Cat]

I think I said going to be better because I said he's going to be awesome. He's going to be, he's going to change our lives. He's going to be a better quarterback.

[Hank]

There's tapes. We could check the tape. Yeah, we could check the tapes.

[Memes]

Going to be is different. That it's different than. Is better.

[Big Cat]

I did not say is. I, I did not talk about this year. I said, I was talking future. I was saying this is going to change our lives.

[Memes]

Put a poll out.

[Hank]

I could actually put, I could text someone and try and get the actual clip.

[Big Cat]

So if I said, I don't think I said this year, but my whole point was that he's going to be better because that's what I've been saying the whole time, is that I'm very confident in Cale Williams.

[Memes]

I think he's going to be a very good quarterback. I think that Jaden Daniels is different. He is awesome. I love him.

[Big Cat]

So you think Jayden Daniels is like that much better than Caleb Williams and everything? Because I also. So I, I, I, I, I don't think Jim. I think Jane Neal is very, very good. I just think I like Caleb Williams more going forward. But you think Jane Daniels is going to be like the best quarterback ever?

[Memes]

I think he's going to be if he stays healthy. I think Jane Daniels is going to be the best quarterback in the history of the Redskins or Commanders. I think he's going to be the best quarterback in the nfc. He might already be the best quarterback in the nfc.

[Big Cat]

What about all time?

[Memes]

Probably top two all time? No, that's, that's too far for me to project, but probably top five.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah, I don't, I think Caleb Williams is going to have a really strong career and win a Super Bowl. That's all.

[Max]

I'll say just one.

[Big Cat]

I wouldn't doubt I'm going to say one. Yeah, I'm not, I mean, I don't, I'm not going to say he's top 10, top five.

[Memes]

That was mean, Hank. That was mean, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Yes. With the Bears. I'm not going to say he's top 10, top 5, any of this stuff because it's still too early. But I, I'm very confident in what I've seen, seen in the progression that he's made.

[Memes]

I think it'll be good for the league.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Tattoo bets every year. It'll be good for the league. Every year. Every year. All right, last game, Cowboys at niners.

[Memes]

Get that footage?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Memes]

I want to see the footage.

[Big Cat]

I knew Max was there. I knew he was going to bring this up. You gotta be. You think I'm an idiot? Max was. I saw him before the show. He came in and said hello to me. I don't think I said this year, but my. And if it's this year. No. Jane Daniels played better than Caleb Williams so far. Caleb Williams. I have. I think about his future higher.

[Hank]

Hank, who do you think is better?

[Max]

Jane Daniels.

[Big Cat]

He's played better this so far.

[Hank]

I think Caleb Williams is better.

[Big Cat]

Thank you, Max.

[Memes]

I think that's fair to say. I think it's fair to say that so far, Jayden Daniels has played better, but he's also. But you think that your ceiling is higher.

[Big Cat]

Yes. And I also think that Caleb Williams gets criticized for playing bad defenses and Jane Daniels has also played bad defenses.

[Memes]

It's true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I just want to. I want both to play Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, do too.

[Max]

Then I can decide very badly.

[Big Cat]

Very badly.

[Memes]

Are you guys going to compliment my jersey or.

[Max]

I did. That was the first thing I said to you.

[Big Cat]

I'm sorry. It's a great Jersey. He's a McCaffrey.

[Memes]

It's a Luke McCaffrey salute to service arctic camo jersey.

[Big Cat]

Hell yes.

[Memes]

Shipped directly from China. I love the fact that China is making our pro American military jerseys.

[Big Cat]

That is also.

[Memes]

This is just a knockoff. And. And I feel like I'm the only person in the world that owns it, but it we. Ball.

[Big Cat]

Nice. Where'd Max go?

[Memes]

Probably to retrieve the footage.

[Big Cat]

Footage or bathroom. I did say. I do remember saying, oh, because we don't have any. No one can take video of this. And then I, like, looked at the camera. Yeah, I knew the camera was there.

[Memes]

Also, the rookie of the week thing is hilarious because there are two weeks that you could definitely say Caleb deserved to win.

[Big Cat]

Don't want it.

[Memes]

Those two weeks.

[Big Cat]

Don't want it. Want to stay Hungry. Hungry. Don't want it. Okay. Breaking Moose. Breaking. Max has got the video from Laugh Factory.

[Memes]

I'm very interested to see this. So according to Big Cat, he said that Caleb Williams is going to be better than Jaden Daniels.

[Big Cat]

Or he's. He. I mean, he might have said he's better by. And say he's playing better right now or he's had a better games this year.

[Memes]

Have you seen this. This.

[Big Cat]

I have not.

[Memes]

I have not either.

[Max]

He lived it.

[Big Cat]

I did live it. But I don't remember anything that happens ever because my brain's turning to mush and I don't sleep. I've been. I've been trying to stay reserved with what I'm about to say because we're in a place where we can't have cameras and people aren't recording. I knew the cameras were you guys. Caleb Williams is so good. We joined the team all of our lives. I honestly think that we're all going to become winners and I'm going to say one of the. Because I don't think PFT's here. He's so much better than Jaden Daniels.

[Memes]

He's so much better than Jaden Daniels.

[Big Cat]

I have no problem.

[Memes]

So much better than Jaden Daniels.

[Big Cat]

I mean, why can't I say that?

[Memes]

I want to hear the rest of it.

[Big Cat]

I won't say to his face I'm going to wait. I got to play some long game. I knew the cameras were everywhere. Yeah. I have no problem with what I said.

[Memes]

I have one problem with what you said.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Memes]

That he's so much better than Jane Daniels. I vehemently disagree. I think anybody that's watched the games this season and I'm a big Caleb Williams fan. I've been very polite myself.

[Big Cat]

You don't have to fake it.

[Memes]

I've been rooting for the guy. I want him to be a great quarterback.

[Big Cat]

You don't have to fake it.

[Memes]

I think you have to be insane to say that Caleb Williams has been a better quarterback.

[Big Cat]

I didn't say he's been a better quarterback.

[Memes]

Right now.

[Big Cat]

He's so much better. I didn't say he's a better quarterback back. He's been a better quarterback. I said he's so much better.

[Memes]

I think we're splitting hairs, right?

[Big Cat]

No, I have not. I didn't say Kale Williams played so much better.

[Memes]

Big cats backed into a corner.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not. You. You have talked reckless about Jaden Daniels. I have been very reserved. Caleb Williams has played better every week and people wanted this to happen for this week. They wanted us to. To. To finally take the gloves off. Max was just so. He was so happy. He's like, we needed this. We needed.

[Memes]

I've been reckless about Jane Daniels because I'm looking at the hardware and he's got five rookie of the week for.

[Big Cat]

Me to say that I think my quarterback is so much better. You have said some shit that is like crazy.

[Memes]

No, I said super bowl window.

[Big Cat]

You just said he's going to be one of the top two quarterbacks of all time.

[Memes]

I said top five.

[Big Cat]

You started with top two.

[Memes]

I think I said. Not saying top. Maybe. I said.

[Big Cat]

I feel like I've been very, like, reserved, and I still think that Caleb's got. There's going to be some bumps in the path this season in for Caleb Williams. He's going to have some bad games. We got a tough schedule. I'm just talking. I'm looking forward. I think what I've seen. Forward. He's going to be awesome.

[Memes]

I think right now, as it stands, we. We both have our lines.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, this is what we always thought. So it's not. It's not like a secret.

[Memes]

Yeah. I did have Jaden as number one on my big board before the draft.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

I wanted him.

[Big Cat]

I.

[Memes]

Listen, there's an update, by the way, about Jaden Daniels from Adam Schefter.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

So he tweeted out earlier today, Washington plans to attempt to try to practice Jaden Daniels on Friday.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

So we plan to attempt. We plan to attempt to.

[Big Cat]

Sound great.

[Memes]

Plan to attempt to try to practice Jaden on Friday.

[Big Cat]

That doesn't sound great.

[Memes]

I still think he's going to play.

[Big Cat]

But plan to attempt to try to practice.

[Memes]

We plan to attempt to try. That's a great update from Schefter.

[Big Cat]

Are you mad at me that I think my quarterback's better than yours?

[Memes]

No, No. I just. I would have rather had this conversation on the podcast.

[Big Cat]

Well, I knew. I mean, there's. It's. It's sad that we're having it.

[Memes]

It's sad that it happened. It's sad that had to come after a video where you said, I'll say this because PFD is not here.

[Big Cat]

Well, you don't think I. There was three cameras pointing at my face and Max was in the crowd. I saw Max before the show.

[Memes]

Listen, we just might have.

[Big Cat]

And I knew he was sitting right there.

[Memes]

We might have just reached supreme debate.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That was supreme debate. I. Listen, people have been waiting for me to say it because I've been taking a lot of. I get, you know, the Bengals game. Obviously, I would. My mentions were just, Holy, your guy stinks. Jaden Daniel's awesome. I think Jaden Daniels is awesome. I think Caleb Williams is super duper awesome.

[Memes]

I think Jaden Daniels is, like, absolutely the best quarterback that I've ever watched in my entire life.

[Big Cat]

He's a top two quarterback of all time.

[Memes]

He might be. He might when it. When it all is said and done, we're both confident in our guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I just want Caleb Williams to keep getting better. And like I said, it's his rookie season. There's going to be some bumps in the road. I know that there's. I think we play the Vikings on Monday Night Football. I already have that circled as a game that everyone's going to on me. I have it just in my mind of, like, that's going to suck for me, but I don't care.

[Memes]

The nice thing is right now, I don't have any more primetime games I have to worry about. Or I guess the Eagles. Yeah, there's the Eagles on Thursday night.

[Big Cat]

That will be a big game. We're going to stream that game.

[Memes]

Be a big game. You know what? The real perverts out there, you're. It's actually just memes. It's actually just me.

[Big Cat]

No, Max loves it.

[Memes]

Being a big pervert right now.

[Big Cat]

Max is.

[Hank]

This is good promo for the show.

[Big Cat]

Yes. And for Monday. Yes, absolutely. People wanted this. They didn't want to see and be like, oh, I hope we have a good game. I hope you have a good game. I hope we have a good game. Back and forth. No, I know. I know what this is.

[Hank]

Meme said, ask him if it's must win or can't lose. I think you care more about the quarterback play.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no. The Bears. Because of the Bears schedule, I've already called it a must win. The Bear. This stretch has been nothing but must wins. The Panthers game is a must win. The Jaguars games must win. This is a must win. They. I've said it a million times, but all Bears fans listening right now know it. Starting in week 10, we have the most difficult schedule possible, and it's going to be fucking torture. And Caleb is going to have games. He looks bad. We must win these games. We must win them like we knew going into the season when you looked at the schedule, it's like, if we don't start the season six and three or seven and two, we have no chance at the playoffs.

[Memes]

I think this is a must play for Jaden.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I want him to play.

[Memes]

I don't think it's a. I'm not going to get into Max's little must win, can't lose. Because at the end of the day, those. Those don't mean anything. And I've figured that out, Max, when you asked me that. But I think Jaden must play this weekend.

[Hank]

I remember when he said that.

[Big Cat]

I'll say this pft. I did. I went on, Sylvie, you're not going.

[Memes]

To remember that at all. You're going to fall right, right back into that trap.

[Big Cat]

I went on Waddle and civil. I do every Wednesday. And those are my guys. And they were kind of making fun of me because I said that I wanted Jaden Daniels to play. And they were like, what? Like, don't we want the path of least resistance? I was like, no, no. I want Jaden Daniels. I genuinely want Jaden Daniels to play. I want to see this.

[Memes]

So do I.

[Big Cat]

It's the best for this show.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

It's 100% the best for this show. And I want to see it happen. So I'll be bummed out if it doesn't.

[Memes]

Listen, am I overcompensating because of all my doubt via watching so much bad quarterback play my entire life as a Commander's Redskins football team fan? 100%, absolutely. But do I also think that Jaden is, I'd say, top two in the NFC right now? Yes, I think he is.

[Big Cat]

The only time I thought your recklessness was a little crazy was when you genuinely laughed at Max. And it was very similar to when Billy had, like, two good weeks for the jets and he was like, you guys don't understand. And I was like, pft, we. We're still far away from the finish line here.

[Memes]

So the reason I laughed at Max was actually because Max had just gotten done saying, the Eagles season is completely over. Over. And then he said, eagles to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's why that was.

[Hank]

It was like the 10th team pick, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

At that point.

[Big Cat]

Like, you have to. But it was a genuine laugh.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And you were kind of looking at him like, you sad sack of. You don't know what it's like.

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

And I'm not there yet. No, I'm not there yet. No. No.

[Memes]

I would never say that. Like, I feel bad for Max because the Eagles, I've said this, they have a top to bottom, much better roster than the Commanders do.

[Hank]

Like, no, don't do this now.

[Memes]

It's true.

[Big Cat]

No, don't take back the lap.

[Hank]

Don't do this now.

[Memes]

Okay. I think it's true, though.

[Big Cat]

The laugh was the true reaction.

[Hank]

I'm not going to answer that question. Hank was learning by me.

[Big Cat]

Anything.

[Max]

I need Jane Daniels play.

[Big Cat]

Okay. We all do. This podcast needs Jane James play. I'll be very bummed out if it happens on Sunday morning.

[Memes]

He plans to attempt to try to practice to play.

[Big Cat]

Wait, didn't you say you do something if he doesn't play.

[Memes]

I think there was discussion of me getting fined for the.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, we're going to find you. Yes. No, we're finding you.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because we are finding you.

[Memes]

Sunday. I was like, he's playing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, we're finding you 100 bucks a person. No.

[Hank]

100 bucks. Next.

[Memes]

Next.

[Hank]

Lottery ball. Winner gets it.

[Memes]

Okay. Yeah, put it. Free parking.

[Hank]

Yeah, free parking in the lottery ball.

[Memes]

That's good. We should just.

[Hank]

We should do fines for that.

[Memes]

We should have a free parking. Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should. Yeah, yeah, we should have a jar for it. Memes will never get it.

[Memes]

I'll never get it.

[Big Cat]

No, you're going to get it. Memes is never going to get it. All right, well, that was the breaking news. Back to regular scheduled programming. All right, last game, Cowboys at Niners. This is just the injury bowl. Jennings, Debo Ayuk all out. Or Debo probably out. Kittle maybe out. McCaffrey. Hank, he's out. Okay. And. Yeah, I don't know. All I have for this is Jerry Jones is doing weird shit again. He said that Mike McCarthy's designing bad plays and bad concepts on offense.

[Memes]

Saying that he's got bad plays is such a mean, funny thing to say.

[Big Cat]

And then also said Derrick Henry wasn't a fit for their offense. And then I don't know if you guys saw the story on ESPN where it was basically a deep dive into the fact that the Cowboys facility does tours every single day that just basically has the players like zoo animals.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. You get to walk through and just see the players at work. And then the players are just like, oh, there's people behind clouds, glass, like tapping on it and taking.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're tapping on the glass. When you're, like, trying to get a workout.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's. It's insane. But that's Jerry Jones.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Jerry Jones is like, yeah, go, go, go. Look at my boys out there. That's that one.

[Big Cat]

That one.

[Memes]

Boy, he's got a big penis. Yeah, Try to see that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

There's a very funny tweet. Speaking of the. The 49ers. This is from Matt Ford. He pointed out after. After Debo Samuel had pneumonia and he was sent to the hospital. Matt ford said the 49ers healthiest receiver right now was shot in the chest two months ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Which is true.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Memes]

And it's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Ricky Pearsall.

[Memes]

And so he played last weekend. And that's. It's insane, the bad injury luck that the 49ers have had this season. I don't think that things are going to turn around for the Niners.

[Big Cat]

No, I like the Cowboys in this game.

[Memes]

I feel like yeah, could be a good week for the Cowboys. Although Brandon Aubrey missed practice because he's doing jury jury duty, which is a very strange reason. Like back in the day, if you were missing practice for court on the Cowboys, you were having a lot more fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's very true.

[Memes]

You weren't on that side of the box.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I like the Cowboys. Mike McCarthy off the buy is pretty good too. Yeah, he is sad as he is.

[Memes]

He is 12 and 5 all time after buy and he's 3 and 1 as the Cowboys coach.

[Big Cat]

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[Max]

Saquon was mine.

[Big Cat]

No, who? It was the three of us. Yeah. All right. So we need. We need to do it again. We need to hit it again.

[Memes]

I like Joe Mixon.

[Big Cat]

Joe Mixon. I like that pick too. Good job. That's a good pick.

[Memes]

Great pick.

[Big Cat]

I will do J.K. dobbins.

[Max]

Should I go running back or wide receiver?

[Big Cat]

Do whatever you feel, buddy.

[Max]

Devonte Adams.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Against the Patriots, the best speech of all time. The realest speech of all time.

[Max]

Best speech of all time. Patriots D is not good. If there was going to be like a let's get on the right page.

[Big Cat]

It would be this.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Memes. What do you think? I love it. Three touchdown game three for Devonte. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Three touchdown.

[Max]

Two plus TD is plus 650.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Max]

Three plus TD is 30 to one.

[Big Cat]

What is. What's the standings for our so we'll have the DraftKings in DraftKings sportsbook. We'll have the TD parlay. We're 1 and O in our last one. What are the standings for the season long competition?

[Hank]

I'm in last.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. The season long competition. Big Cat, eight and six myself eight and six pft. And Hank six and eight max. Four nine and one max. PFT went zero and two last week. The rest of us won one four nine and one max. Yeah.

[Hank]

No, I haven't got a total right once all year. Haven't got one total right.

[Memes]

And you've been taking unders.

[Hank]

I've been go. I've been. I was doing mostly unders. I've last week. I didn't over to try and combat all of my bad unders. I've been terrible.

[Memes]

In your own head? Yep.

[Hank]

All over my own head.

[Big Cat]

Okay, who's up first? Mr. Commenter.

[Memes]

I will take the Denver Broncos -9 and a half at home against the Carolina Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I will take The Miami Dolphins -3 and a half at home against the Arizona Cardinals.

[Max]

I will take the Kansas City Chiefs -9 and a half against the Raiders. I know the Chiefs don't have a great record. I might be making this up. Do they not have a good record when they have big spreads?

[Big Cat]

Big spreads.

[Max]

But the. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Patrick Mahomes taking care of business. Kermit the Frog.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're gonna handle it when we handle it. I'm gonna take the Bills minus three.

[Hank]

I am going to take the Browns plus eight and a half.

[Memes]

I like that pick A Luck Max.

[Hank]

And Jets Patriots over 41.

[Big Cat]

I wanted that one. Fuck Sunday Night Football. Under 46 and a half.

[Max]

Part of my take. Bowl. Let's have some fun. Over 43 and a half in the Bears Commanders.

[Memes]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'll do over 40 and a half. Saints, Chargers.

[Memes]

I'm going to go under 41. Jets Patriots, three touchdowns for Devonte. No scores for the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Should we do three touchdowns in the TD parlor?

[Memes]

That'd be wild.

[Big Cat]

That would be wild. Okay. Those were all of our picks. Let's do fantasy boys and Then we'll get to an awesome interview with Jon Gruden. Fantasy Boys, brought to you by our friends at body armor segment is brought to you by Body Armor Sports water. The alkaline water that provides real hydration with electrolytes for taste. Everybody's always drinking it around the office. The sports drink, the zero sugar, and even the Flash iv. After a long weekend, we can't get enough body armor. The sport water, in my opinion, it's the best water on the market. Head on over to your local 7 11. Get your body armor sports water today.

[Max]

What's up, boys?

[Big Cat]

What's up?

[Max]

My name's Rocco Arriba Derchi.

[Memes]

What's up, Rocco?

[Big Cat]

What's up?

[Max]

My stardom this week. Ghost Energy.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

Okay, big time sponsor here. They just got sold to Keurig for a Billy.

[Big Cat]

A Billy. A Billy.

[Max]

Best energy drink in the game. I guess they're gonna turn into Keurig pods. I don't know how that works.

[Big Cat]

Also, it's Keurig.

[Max]

Doctor to Pepper.

[Big Cat]

Way to go. Go.

[Max]

Who knew that was a company together?

[Memes]

That's wild.

[Big Cat]

That is wild.

[Max]

My Sit him. Bronny James.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You got your photo op.

[Max]

You didn't even dap up Bronnie LeBron on the way in. Yeah, yeah. Left him hanging. You got your picture. You never playing again, bud.

[Memes]

Would have been great, though, if you had stepped in, knocked down one three, and then the crowd goes nuts. You check yourself out.

[Max]

Get ready to learn. Fine, buddy.

[Memes]

I. I saw stat. He had a better plus minus than his dad, though.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he almost had that. He had one offensive rebound.

[Memes]

I think Skip Bayless said Michael Jordan without intangible Bronnie in one on one.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I tend to believe it.

[Max]

My sleeper Jake.

[Big Cat]

Bobo. Bobo.

[Max]

Bobo the clown. Bobo.

[Memes]

You're Bobo Sexual.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

It's gonna score.

[Max]

No, DK Bobo's gonna step in on the depth shot. Put him in your lineup. Put him to score. Bobo time. Bobo time. Bobo tea.

[Memes]

What's up, dickheads? It's Gucci Denucci.

[Big Cat]

What's up, Gucci?

[Memes]

This week I'm starting Eli Manning. Eli Manning is starting for me. He's on the short list of 50 guys for the hall of Fame. Eli's getting closer to the hall of Fame. I just want to see the bus that they design of Eli Manning. He's got to have the mouth open. He's got to have the hair all messed up. We need the Manning face.

[Big Cat]

Fly catcher.

[Memes]

I'm sitting Cardi B B. I'm not talking about Tank Bigsby. Cartavious, Bigsby. I'm talking about the singer Cardi B. She's being investigated by the SEC for crypto fraud. Oh, thoughts and prayers.

[Big Cat]

And then I thought that was going to be the one that made us rich.

[Memes]

It probably was. It was Whop coin.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Wapcoin.

[Memes]

I liquidated all my Wap coins at the wrong time. They tried to do a pump and dump. And I'm not talking about that chick that got boned by 20 guys. My sleeper this weekend is going to be Joe Mixon. I feel like Joe Mixon goes off. And as inaccurately reported on part of my take on Monday, the individual at Lambeau Field was not kicked out. He was kicked out momentarily.

[Big Cat]

They brought him back.

[Memes]

They said, you didn't do anything wrong. You were protecting your house. You were standing your ground. You're welcome back in the front row. Congrats to that guy.

[Big Cat]

All right. My. What's up? You is. My name's Frankie Roast Beef.

[Memes]

Hey, Frankie.

[Big Cat]

My stardom is Bryce Maximus James, because guess what? He's going to be in the NBA at some point. I'm going to call my shot right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Good for him.

[Big Cat]

Feels like he's going to get drafted and get in the NBA. I don't know. I just got a feeling about this one.

[Memes]

The kids earned it.

[Big Cat]

The kids earned it. My sit him is Zach Edie. He fouled out in 15 minutes.

[Memes]

That's tough.

[Big Cat]

So everyone who said everyone in bots, the big tenants that they don't call fouls. We went one game in the NBA and he finally called fouls.

[Memes]

It's very interesting.

[Big Cat]

Feels good.

[Memes]

It's very interesting.

[Big Cat]

Feels real good. My sleeper is J.K. dobbins. He's going to score the Chargers. All the. All the Chargers offense going to score, score, score, score, score, score, score.

[Memes]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

Charge up J.K. rowling. LeBron stuff was ridiculous.

[Memes]

So it was a cool moment for LeBron, like a good. It was a good family moment for LeBron. But then everyone else had to participate in LeBron James's awesome family moment.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Memes]

Which is fine. You can make us. He's earned the right to, like, basically tell the Lakers what to do.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Because he's been arguably the best player of all time. And you've got to see, like, Bronnie grow up from the time that LeBron was starting in the league. So it's. It's a cool story. But to act like it's a great moment that Bronny made it to the NBA.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And there. There is obviously also the Health scare thing with Bronny last year where he, like, his heart stopped. And so it does add to it being a cool moment for LeBron.

[Big Cat]

For LeBron.

[Memes]

For LeBron. But we don't have to act like Bronnie is an actual NBA.

[Big Cat]

That's the big part. It's all for LeBron.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

None of this was for Bronnie. I feel bad for Bronnie in a weird way, because, like, he's. He knows it. But anyone who was saying this was, like, the coolest thing they've ever seen, I thought so. When he got drafted, I was like, oh, that's a cool moment. You know, that's. That's fun. And I was not. I wasn't totally against all of this. I thought that Bronnie stupidly thought that Bronnie would start in the G League and would be in the G League for a while. It. The. Where it flipped for me, where I was like, this is ridiculous. Everyone just stopped, like, sucking LeBron's dick here and pretending like this is a monumental thing is that they put him in. In the first game. That was like, come on. Yeah, it was first game.

[Memes]

Do you think that the original plan was send him to the G League and then after he has one really good game, bring him up and act like he. He earned the right to be on the roster?

[Big Cat]

The. If Bronnie had gone to the G League and worked on his game, and he's probably not talented enough to be in the NBA regardless, but say he works on his game for a year, two years, LeBron says, I'm going to retire. LeBron's last game in the NBA. He's like, Hey, I would like my son to be on the court with me. That's an awesome moment, and that's a great moment.

[Memes]

I actually think that even. Even the biggest haters amongst us, right. If. If Bronnie had gotten into the game, gets one shot and he hits it, that would have been awesome.

[Big Cat]

That. That's an awesome moment.

[Memes]

That would have been a very cool moment. It's like the. The student manager getting in. In the last game of a high school game and just heating up from three for no reason.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but this was just so manufactured and not real that it just. I don't know. First game was just so weird to.

[Memes]

Me, but it is a cool moment for lo. LeBron for the. Like, it's an insanely cool moment for the family.

[Hank]

I think it's better that he went. Played in his first game.

[Big Cat]

Well, I don't think he should have been on the roster, but you can.

[Hank]

Just get it out of the way. Because if he was in the G League, then that would be the whole story.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

For like, a while. Which would be like, when is Bronny going to get.

[PFT Commenter]

Get called up?

[Hank]

When is he going to get that. That game with LeBron? Like, when are we going to have that moment? Now that it's out of the way now he can, like, just.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe if you're Bronny, like, I know you can't do this, but I would have said, hey, dad, don't make me get drafted to your team. Team. Let me go be in the G League on another team.

[Memes]

I. I agree with Max, though. If you're going to do it better to get it out of the way. It's just have a game one year.

[Hank]

It already happened. Like, the moment is already there.

[Memes]

We would be talking right. All the time of, like, when is it? Ronnie has one good game and they're like, oh, they're going to bring him up now. It was very funny watching him check into the game, too, seeing that Bronnie is, like, probably 9 inches shorter than LeBron.

[Big Cat]

It just seems so fake, that's all. All right, let's.

[Memes]

I like jj, though, pretending that he didn't know that Bronnie was going to check. Yeah, that was funny.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, let's get to our great interview with Jon Gruden. Before we do that. PT you got a quick ad?

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest. He is super bowl champion head coach John Gruden. Coach Gruden, thank you for joining us. Let's start with this. Can I still call you coach? Is that, is that still okay for us to call you coach during this interview?

[PFT Commenter]

That's perfectly fine. Yes, sir.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right, so you, we have a ton of questions. Very excited to have you on. Let's start with this. You're, you're, you're zooming in right now from the fired, what do we call it? The Fired Football Coaches Institute.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's the association, it's the ffca. Don't you know, man.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so the ffca. So for people who don't know, you have set up basically a facility that looks almost like a coaches facility at a team where there's offices in different rooms. So what, what exactly like made you decide to start this and what does a day to day look like in the ffc?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, when I got fired by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I got into Monday Night Football. I needed a place to go and study and put all my game plans and my servers and memorabilia. So I bought a building and it's kind of taken off from there, but we bring in a lot of coaches, players, college players, pro players. We collaborate on football, study football, and during the season we have a routine. During the off season we have a routine. And right now we're just grinding, getting ready for next week's games.

[Big Cat]

So I love that. So, yeah, so you're basically not coaching, but you're going through the motions of what a coach would do every single week. I. That's, that's perfect.

[PFT Commenter]

That's exactly right. I have two servers. I think I'm the only human being that has these servers where you can put cutups from years past, you can continue to make cutups from last week's games, offensive cut ups, defensive cut ups, blocking scheme, red zone, you name it. And when the players start coming in in the off season, I have everything ready to go and we can start analyzing and studying Things specifically.

[Memes]

That's so cool. That's. That sounds like a great setup that you guys have down there. So you're grinding the tape. You're going through it like you would an actual coach. Do you have like a staff? Is there a hierarchy of, like, who's the head fired football coach?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I'm the head man here. I pay the bills. So if you pay the electricity, you know, you get the big desk. I got the big room here, but I have my assistant, Jeff Leonardo, who was with me at Monday night, with me with the Raiders. He's my only full time employee. I can't afford a full staff right now, but we're working hard, man. We're on our way back and we're, we're eager for that next opportunity down the road.

[Memes]

So your YouTube channel, Gruden loves football. I love it because it's, it's you talking into the camera and getting sweaty, getting really intense. And I don't know how much of it you put on as an act, but I choose to believe that it's 100% authentic that you're sitting there, there in the dark watching, you know, quarterback film, and you're just sweating, thinking about how good they are. Is that fair?

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty much accurate. I, I love to do three or four games a week. And, you know, I think to do a decent job, you got to study every team's offense and every team's defense. You got to study the matchups, you got to look at the red zone, short yardage, goal line, two minute drill. You got to look at the rotation of players, the injury list. And what it does is it keeps me on schedule, keeps me up to breast as to who's doing what in the NFL, where personnel is going, who's emerging, who's declining, and it's stimulating. I love it. And the channel's name, Gruden Loves Footballs is about as accurate as you can call it, because I still do love the game, even though I don't have a team.

[Memes]

Yeah, we, we love guys who love football. I mean, we love football too. Sometimes football doesn't love us back, but we absolutely love guys who love football. And I think you fit the bill more than anybody.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, you guys do too. I love watching your show. You guys are a little bit more harsh, a little bit more critically honest than me, but I love it, man. I absolutely love it. Some of the things that you guys say, I kind of say behind closed doors sometimes. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's mutual. We got a lot in common.

[Big Cat]

So. So you said something there that I want to go back to. You said next opportunity. Are you actively trying to get back into coaching? Because I would, we would love to see you back on a sideline. How's that process going? And is it NFL, is it college, or is it whoever's going to give you that next opportunity?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I try not to overanalyze it. I just try to. I just try to stay ready and be ready to go if that opportunity does arise. I know this. I'll be ready to go. But in the meantime, I'm having a blast. I really am. I enjoy what I'm doing. I've had a chance to spend some time with my wife, see a little bit of the sights and I've even got my golf game now where it's pretty competitive. So I like that.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. Are you still waking up at 3:17 in the morning?

[PFT Commenter]

Morning every day I'm a little bit later than that. But it's, it's 4:00 in the morning. I like to get in and get out. I like to have a day left when I get out of work. I like to come in here when there's nobody up, nobody's around. I can pound the film for four or five hours, get a workout and go do something else.

[Big Cat]

That's great. So let's talk about the NFL right now. What are, what are some of the big picture trends that you're seeing? I know you're not a fan of the RPO game and the clapping cadence. I read that. That, what, what, what's your gripe with that? And, and, and what do you think you know is missing in today's NFL?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I don't like passing plays with the offensive line, run blocking. I don't like seeing quarterbacks getting their ass knocked off because of this ridiculous protection offense that I'm watching. That's what RPO stands for me. I mean, when you blitz a run play, the quarterback gets rocked. And some of these hits and some of these injuries that quarterbacks are getting sitting running the ball, it makes me sick. I just saw another kid in Washington get hurt yesterday. But anyways, I try to look at the RPO game. I don't want to see Friday night offense in high school all day Saturday and then see it on Sunday. I want to see these NFL quarterbacks drop back to pass, throw an array of routes with different route trees and audibles. I want to see a professional style of pass offense. I don't want to see The Friday Saturday Night Football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, so.

[Memes]

So which quarterback right now do you think fits that mold the best? Who's, who's playing at the top of their game?

[PFT Commenter]

Man, I don't even think it's close. I, I did a thing with the Detroit Lions last week. I think Jared Goff is starting to look like Joe Montana to me. He plays with continuous movement. He completes almost every single pass. He's tough as hell. He has continuity in the same system. He knows and anticipates what plays are going to be called, called. They move the ball around, man, they throw it to the tight end, both backs, they throw it to all these different receivers. They have a real impressive balanced offense, but I don't even think it's close. I got Golf way up there on my list.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's been on fire and he's.

[Memes]

Interesting because, you know, he, he was okay in la. He was not a bad quarterback for the Rams. And then you've seen that, you know, they kind of cast him aside. They said they wanted somebody who can win them a Super Bowl. They get stacked. Stafford, golf goes up to Detroit, kind of forgotten about, and then he gets better and better as the years go on. And it's just kind of a reminder that not always, you know, you can't take a 23 year old and say, like, this is the peak of their ability, they're going to continue to improve. So how do you do that? How do you weigh that as a coach, saying, we've got this guy who's supposed to be really good, all the physical tools, but he's just not getting it done when he's 23, 24 years old. How do you, how do you get through that spot, spot and give that guy another chance or a chance to improve until like their late 20s, early 30s?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I was shocked that they traded Golf. Personally, I wasn't on board with that trade. I mean, not only did they trade golf, they traded three first rounders with golf. And I see where the Lions are now, and I see where the Rams are now, and right now I'd rather be with Detroit, but, you know, golf did take him to the super bowl. And Bill Belichick and the Patriot defense did a great job playing that 43 defense. What they hadn't shown a lot during the season and they stymied the Rams. And I know Matt Stafford's got a cannon and I, I love watching him wing it, but obviously the longevity, the mobility of Stafford now isn't what it was three years ago, but I would have Hung in there with Goff personally. He's a great a guy, he's smart as hell, he's a great competitor and he's young and it's hard to depart with a quarterback that has that much upside in future, in my opinion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, so it's a good point. Obviously the Rams won a Super bowl, but they did trade lot of first round picks and you know, a little bit mortgage a little bit of the future. You for people who don't know because you know, we have fans that maybe were very young at the time you were traded from the Raiders to the Bucks for a haul like it's actually shocking to look at because I don't think that would happen in today's NFL. When you got traded, how, what was it? It was two first round picks, right? And it was some, it was some more picks on top of that. Did you. When that happened, when that all went down down, was there a part of you like this might bite me in the ass going down the line because I'm going to Tampa, which is a great team, won a Super bowl, but I'm also hurting myself four or five years down the line because we're giving up all these picks to the Raiders, where I'm leaving.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, that was brutal. I mean, we won the super bowl our first year. We had a hell of a defense. Our offense came around. But you know, when the season is over and you got to get ready for the draft, draft and you don't have a first round pick and then whoops, you don't have a second round pick and then you don't have a first round pick or a second round pick the next year, that's tough. When you see the Saints bringing in Drew Brees and Jeremy Shockey and the Falcons are bringing in Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez and John Abram and people forget at that time, Carolina was a pain in the ass, man. They had Julius Peppers and Mike Rucker and Steve Smith and Moussa Muhammad, two great backs. They represented the NFC in the Super Bowl. So yeah, you're right. That was, that was a tough time. When you sacrifice that much draft capital, it can bat, it can come back and bite you pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's, it's pretty shocking to look back at it. It was two first rounds, two second rounds and $8 million like that. That wouldn't happen in today's NFL. I feel like teams are a lot more protective of their picks and, and the way to get better is through the draft. Draft. But that defense and that super bowl team was incredible and flags fly forever. Where would you rank that, your Bucks defense, in terms of all time defenses? Because you guys were an absolute wrecking crew. Four hall of Famers, maybe a fifth, if you want to say Simeon Rice could, could eventually end up there. Where do you rank them though, in all time defenses?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, selfishly, I'd rank them very high. I try not to get into all the nostalgia. I mean, I don't know the 75 Steelers, the Dolphins, the 17 and O Dolphins. I mean, you, you don't know those teams. The Chicago Bears, the 85 Bears. Unbelievable. We lost to the Ravens in the AFC championship game. When I was with Oakland, they were really good. But what we did with that defense, guys, is we scored touchdowns on defense. I knew we had a hell of a defense. We didn't have a hell of a team. When I got to Tampa, we had a hell of a defense and we challenged the defense. If you're that good, good, why don't you start scoring touchdowns? I mean, pick up the ball and run it back for a touchdown. Don't just intercept the ball, get a block and score. And I challenged them. This is no kid. And I said, hey, I want nine touchdowns. And it really pissed them off. They're like, who the hell is this guy coming in here telling us to score nine touchdowns? And I'll never forget this. When Dwight Smith intercepted Gannon for the last time in the super bowl, ran it back, Warren Sapp grabbed me and he said, you want nine touchdowns? There's number nine. They scored nine touchdowns. But I think that's what, that's what really separated us from other defenses is not only did we stop the run and we're really tough against the pass, but we scored touchdowns.

[Memes]

Yeah, I love that you spoke it into existence. You said, I believe you can get not. And they, in the back of their head, they might have subconsciously believed you the entire time. Time. That's. It's pretty crazy. So when you were on the Bucks, you had Mike Allstott, one of our favorite players of all time, and I believe John lynch was your safety at the time. Did you have a rule in practice that they weren't allowed to hit each other?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I tried to make sure those two guys didn't hit each other because I wanted to save those hits for Sunday. But we had a lot of etiquette rules and we tried to enforce them them probably harder than I ever had done before because it was so competitive. This was an, this was an alpha defensive team who had taken great Pride in punishing the offense twice a day in training camp and throughout the off season. But when I got there, we had to make sure they stay away from the quarterback. And we try to protect each other, and that's pretty common around the league.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Yeah. I. I got a. This is a question from our. Our friend Stephen Che, who's a diehard Bucks fan who loves you. He wanted. He wanted me to have you. I'm going to read a play call out to you, and he wants you to. To explain exactly what it means. Some real football nitty gritty stuff. Green right, x shift to Viper, 382x stick.

[PFT Commenter]

Luki Sexy.

[Big Cat]

Lucky, lucky, lucky.

[PFT Commenter]

Green right X. X was a tag that switched the Z and the X. So McArdle and Keyshawn Johnson would switch sides, sides. So green was the backfield set. It was an eye formation. Green right X. Our two receivers switched when we shifted the Viper right. Viper. Our empty backfield sets were named after snakes at that time. So we had cobra, viper, python. We had a lot of different reptiles and snakes, you see. But it was green right, X shift to Viper, right? And it was 380 or 382 at that time, which was the protection. And X stick was on one side. And look, he was on the other. It was a pick a side play for the quarterback. But green right X shifted. Viper right 382X stick. Lookie, the only guy that ever had a hard time calling that play was Chris Sims. And unfortunately they caught me on video getting ticked off about it.

[Memes]

Yeah, you basically. You basically reinvented algebra just in. In the name of football plays. They get. They get like, so long. But you are a math guy. I remember I saw a video. Video. You can count backwards by threes from any number.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I could do it by four. I can go forward better than backward, but I don't have a lot of intelligence. I will say this. When I did Monday Night Football for nine years, I studied different terminologies. I grew up in Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren's 49 or West coast system, which is very wordy at times. But for the six or seven years, the last six or seven years, I started studying new terminologies, new ways to streamline it so we could get out of the huddle and be quicker. And our new terminology that we had with the Raiders those last couple years, if you get with Darren Waller or Hunter Renfro or Derek Carr, it was. It was a lot easier to say, I do believe.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. All right. Because sometimes they do it sounds like they go on for like five seconds of the play clock. I'm like, we need to shorten this down a little bit. Get up to the line of square scrimmage. You were talking about the. The RPOs, how you don't, like, you know, that. That new evolution of the game. Is there something in the game, like a new wrinkle that you're looking at and you're saying, hey, this is actually really cool. I think that this actually has a future.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, don't get me wrong. I think the RPOS are great until you see a lot of man coverage or you start seeing some blitzing because your quarterback has to hold the ball and sometimes the protection breaks down. But I like tempo. I like change of speeds. I like the no huddle offense. Don't get me wrong. And I do like having three different tempo speeds where you have maybe 15 or 20 words in every game plan where you say the word man, you say Tina Turner, or you say Bruce Springsteen, and that means everything. Formation, play everything. And we're gone, man, before you could even say pti. It's God on. I mean, we're playing fast, and then we get up there and we might slow the tempo down, use a dummy count and try to read the defense's mail a little bit. Then we might use some motions, maybe two or three motions, and milk it all the way down to six seconds to try to get into the perfect play and take advantage of that. Coach to quarterback, walkie talkie. But I love the teams that change speeds. I'm very interested in Seattle with this grub subs. Cat from Washington. I think they're doing some of this and they tore Atlanta up the other day, and I think they're kind of on the cutting edge of what I'm talking about in terms of changing up the speeds to keeping these defensive coordinators off balance. You know, these defensive guys, they have a hard time calling plays until they know what personnel is on the field. And I give the defensive guys a hard time because they're not as smart and intelligent as us offensive guys. So the more we can screw with these guys in terms of changing speeds and changing personnel, the more you can have success.

[Big Cat]

So. So you mentioned Seattle. Is there another offense that you've watched the tape of and you're like, they're doing something different and special and watch out for these guys, because I love, I love whenever a coach comes on and tells us that, like, hey, this is what we're not seeing right now, might not be they May not be the best team in the league, league, but what they're doing is something that's different, that everyone's going to eventually probably copy.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I went up to Kansas City and spent five or six days with the Chiefs in training camp and he's a good friend of mine and they afforded me that opportunity. I just think the way that they practice, the way that they work behind the scenes, they're on the cutting edge and they have been able to adapt to so many incredible, I mean, incredible changes on their offense. Left tackle, they're playing a role rookie, they lose Pacheco, they lose their receivers. I mean, it's amazing what they've been able to accomplish as they reinvent their offense. But I always love watching them and I like watching Kyle Shanahan stuff on first and second down. I think their run and play action pass marries together really good. I enjoy watching that. And I like lafleur, honestly, up in Green Bay. And I've been, you know, keeping some tabs on Houston a little bit too here lately. Lately. Although they kind of disappointed me yesterday late in the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. What was it? So, so about that. Houston, like they have all the talent in the world. CJ Stroud is a very good quarterback, but it has looked clunky at times. What's it, you know, offensive line has not been great. Well, let me actually ask you this. What, what do you do when your offensive line is not great? How do you fix it in season knowing you can't get help from free agency? You can't probably get a trade because offensive linemen don't get traded like that. What is, what is a fix from a coaching perspective for an offensive line that's getting your quarterback killed?

[PFT Commenter]

Man, it's hard. You know, it's very hard when you lose some linemen. I'm watching the New Orleans Saints, they've lost four or five linemen. Yeah, it's hard to call plays, hard to run, hard to run block, hard to pass protect. And the way we have to practice, guys, that's what ticks me off as a coach. I fought a little bit with people behind the scenes about not being able to wear pads, pads during training camp or not being able to pad it up twice a week during practice. I'm not talking about every period, but being able to go out there and work on some stunt pickups and one on one pickup with pass protection. You know when you just think you're going to go out there in shorts and have a walk through and have eight or nine you know, stunts in shorts, pickup, and then go out there and pick up Micah Parsons screaming in the A gap. You're whistling Zippity do dialogue your butt. You know what I mean? So pass protection is falling apart right now. I think because of the way we're practicing and the injuries that are occurring now I've never seen before. I've never seen so many big guys miss time. I remember certain seasons where lineman never missed a snap.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

So when you're watching this tape, obviously you're an offensive guy and your eye goes to the offense. I like to also think that you still have that. That football coach mentality where you see a great defensive player and you actually get scared watching him. You're like, oh, this guy's. This guy's going to give me nightmares. I'm going to wake up tomorrow, think about Micah Parsons. Is there anybody else in the NFL right now that's. That's has that effect on you where you watch them and you're like, I'm really glad I don't have to coach against this guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, my favorite players, I don't know where I stand. I love Micah Parsons when he plays. I mean, he's his motors in sen. You know, I really like guys like Fred Warner of the 49ers. I got a lot of respect for him, how he plays the game. Chris Jones, Bosa. I'm talking about Nick Bosa in San Francisco. Those guys are incredible players. And I do like the two inside linebackers of the Chiefs. If you ever get a chance to watch Tranquil and Bolton, they'll kick your ass, man. And they know what they're doing and they cover for each other. They're great communicators, and right now they just don't make any missed tackles. They're sure tackling guys. But Buddha Baker in Arizona is one of my favorite players. I love watching him play. I like this mafia guy. Mafia out in Seattle.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't know much about him until I started studying these Seahawks. Dexter Lawrence is the one guy, though I would say that is probably the one. One guy we would struggle with the most. If you don't have a guardian hard, if you don't have a center, you're in trouble against the Giants because that guy's pretty good, man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And what about Gruden Grinders? Are you still awarding Gruden Grinders?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, we do. We try to pick five Gruden Grinders in college and five or six in the pros every week. And we try to pick you know the Gruden Grinder criteria. You gotta be a off the radar kind of guy. You gotta be a teamwork kind of guy. Versatile, smart, tough, mentally tough guy. Its clutch. So we're always looking for Gruden Grinders.

[Memes]

Do you have, do you have like a number one Gruden Grinder in the NFL right now?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, right now it'd be hard to say. It's only seven games into the season, but you know the little running back in, in Tampa, this Bucky. Yeah, he's starting to, he's starting to really fire me up. You know this guy, he's starting to catch the ball better. He's picking up blitzes a little bit better. And if he hangs on to the ball, I know he had that big fumble against Atlanta, but if he hangs on to the Rock, he's, he's going to be on my old Gruden Grinder team.

[Memes]

It's also fun to say Bucky Irving. It's just a good name.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's a great name.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Jon Gruden we we got to get you so we. We give out a yearly trophy award to the fullback of the Year in college football. We if you'd like, we'd love to have you be a voter on the, on the award. It's called the Low man trophy and we've got some guys who are playing the NFL now. Hunter Lepke won it. He's on the Cowboys. Alec Ingold on the Dolphins. So we're trying to shine some lights on the guys that probably aren't getting a lot of publicity.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we had Alec Ingold. I coached Alec in the Senior bowl when he was coming out of Wisconsin. We signed Alec and I don't know why the Raiders let him go, but he's a poor man's Use check. Use check is my favorite fullback of all. Yeah, the things that he does in San Francisco, it's insane, man. He's. He's whamming the nose tackle. He's reaching a defensive end. I like him. I like the big guy in Baltimore, too, this Patrick Ricard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I know a hardball down is in Los Angeles. Chargerland is trying to duplicate it with that Maddox guy they got out of Boise State. Yeah, Alec Ingold is certainly pretty good. I think he'll benefit when TUA comes back to play quarterback so they can become a little bit more pro style.

[Memes]

Yeah, probably. So you mentioned the Harbaughs. Is there any sibling rivalry between the Grudens and the Harbaughs?

[PFT Commenter]

No, not really. I don't think so. We never really crossed paths much with the Harbaughs. Coach Harbaugh came to the Raiders after I left, and I did get a chance to spend some time with John Harbaugh and Todd Monk in this off season here at the ffca. So if you get those guys on on your show, you can even ask them. They were. They were here representing the Ravens.

[Memes]

Yeah, the Harbors. They're good friends of ours.

[Big Cat]

I was just.

[Memes]

I was wondering who would win in a fight between the two sets of brothers.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not messing with With Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, probably. He's. You've seen that guy lately. He looks like he lives in a weight room. Yeah, you know, I'm good friends with Tom Crane also. And Tom Crean, the great basketball coach. Now I think he's at ESPN still. But he, he married. Married Harbaugh's sister. So it's cry. It's quite a coaching family that they have. And I'm really, I'm excited to watch the Harbaugh Raven team come in here tonight. They play the Bucks here in Tampa.

[Big Cat]

What about, what about the Ryan brothers? Do we have any beef with the Ryan brothers? Because we just love, we love just making up beef where it's brothers coaching brother. Two duos going up against each other.

[PFT Commenter]

No, not really. You know, Rex kicked my ass when he was with the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship game. Had. They had quite a defense. But I never really got to coach against Rex more than that. I think that one time. And Rob is still with the Raiders. My son Deuce is still with the Raiders. He's one of the strength coaches down there. And if you know Rex or Rob Ryan, you know those guys are great, man, they are fun. I got to go visit the Jets. When Rex was the head coach, he let me come out there when I was doing Monday Night Football. We spent about three days out there. What a staff they had with Mike Westoff and Mike Petten and, you know, just a heck of a group of guys. We really enjoyed that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're, we're big fans of your son Deuce. We've met him a couple times. He just, whenever, you know, we see him, I mean, he's a, he's an accomplished weightlifter. What is he, what's his weightlifting routine these days? I mean, he's just, he, he feels like he just loves football as much as you and he just found a way into the game through the strength and conditioning.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, he played football at Lafayette in Pennsylvania and he's a running back and he wanted to be a strength coach. He won the world champion powerlifting. Meet my wife and I flew to Belarus, if you can believe that. He won the strongest man in the world, 180 pound guy with the bench press, the squat and the deadlift, but he still lifts. I remember one time I was down there with the Raiders and Richie Incognito was our strongest player. And Richie had a hard time getting the 455 pounds off his chest because in power lifting, it's by commands. It's down I don't know what the commands are. They say press, so you have to do it from a complete negative. And I remember Deuce knocking up about 455 and incognito, struggling, and all the players giving Richie a hard time. It was. It was pretty cool. But he still lifts, he still trains, and I think he's hoping to get back into the. The competitive part of it.

[Memes]

Yeah, we saw him out in. Out in LA this year, and he looks just as strong as ever. So his name's not Deuce, though. It's John. Did you. And you called him Deuce because he's John ii?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that was. That was what everybody thinks. When I was coaching for the Green Bay Packers, Sterling Sharp was our best player. He was our receiver. I coached the receivers, and Sterling wore number two. At South Carolina, everybody called him Deuce. I said, that's a pretty cool name. So I started thinking, you know, John David the second, Sterling Sharp. I really named him after Sterling Sharp, to be honest with you. He was a hell of a player. You guys should help get him into hall of Fame. It's too bad he got hurt.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. No, he was incredible in his career. Cut short. Speaking of your time in Green Bay and all your travels, you were on part of that coaching staff that had a bunch of head coaches come out of that in the, you know, mid-90s. Packers, in terms of your coaching tree, you got, you know, guys like Mike Tomlin, Raheem Morris, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan. Do you find yourself rooting extra hard for guys that you are under your tree, so to speak?

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty much. I mean, if it's one of the guys I know against one of the guys that, you know, I'm rooting for. My guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What is it. What is it about Mike Tomlin? Let's. I. I have a question about him because he just. It's so consistent, distant, and every year it feels like the Steelers are in the same spot where, you know, teams discount them and say they got no chance. And then he always just. He. He has a competitive team year in, year out. What is it with Mike Tomlin that has that special sauce that he's always able to get the most out of his team?

[PFT Commenter]

I think, number one, he's a great communicator, he's a great motivator, and he's very consistent, and he's not a basket case. He doesn't come in different one day and different than that next. People believe in him. They trust him, and he knows what he's talking about. He's also in a superior organization. You know, they have had a great organization from top to bottom, and I think he really allows people to do their thing. And he's. He's not one of these abrasive guys. He's. He's. He's just a great communicator. He's a very smart football guy. He knows how to use people and their talent. And he's been very good at delegating when he has to delegate. And he's been very good at taking the. Taking a chalk and saying, here's what we're doing. And there's a fine line to that. I think being a great coach, he's overcome the loss of a lot of different offensive coordinators, and now he's putting it together without Ben Roethlisberger, which a lot of people thought he would struggle doing. Yeah, but it's a. I think it's a credit to his imagination, his creativity, his people skills. And nobody's a better competitor than Tomlin. He is a. He's a guy that'll fight you till the end, whether you want to fight or not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. And it does feel like history has been kind to Mike Tomlin in the fact that he's had locker rooms with some big personalities that have gone other places. And you're like, how did Tomlin keep that together? Was there. Did you call Coach Tomlin when Antonio Brown came to your team and you're like, hey, what. What do I do here? Because it did feel like he. He was able to push the right buttons with AB and maybe teams after that weren't able to find all the right buttons.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you know what? That was probably one of the more disappointing things that I had to go through as a coach. I studied Antonio when I went and watched the Steelers practice when I was doing Monday Night Football, I knew Butch. I know Butch Jones, who coached Antonio in college. And the work ethic, the practice etiquette, the conditioning of this man, man, the route running. Good God. He came to our minicamp and he put on a display when he was on the grass for us. I. I really thought we were going to win every game. I thought we were going to complete every pass. He is a certified badass when it comes to running routes. I just think he got later in life and he found some different interests. And I don't know what happened, but I did have some brief conversations with. With Mike, obviously, along the way, and, you know, I just had hope that putting him in our locker room with some of the veteran leadership that we had, I thought maybe we could. We could really help him take off and take his game to even another level. But you got to put that on me. It just didn't work out.

[Memes]

What were the updates like for you during that? It felt like two weeks of just chaos. Was there somebody that would come in your office and say, sir, Antonio Brown has just arrived in the hot air balloon alone.

[Big Cat]

He's frozen his foot off.

[Memes]

Sir, Antonio Brown doesn't like his helmet, sir.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you know what? The NFL was so. The NFL was so kind. They put us on Hard Knocks. So yeah, you know, we had some characters on that team. We had Richie Incognito and Antonio and Vontes. Perfect. And we really had a great group of guys. But I'd never heard of cryotherapy. I don't know if you guys have heard of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But evidently he burned his feet doing cryotherapy and I'd never had a player show up on a hot air balloon before. I was excited about that, but everything was different. You know, the helmet we had an issue with and unfortunately it just did not work out. We never really got to spend enough time together to build a relationship. And that's what I regret the most. I felt had we been able to be around each other maybe a little bit more, perhaps it would have worked out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You were talking about good organizations like the Steelers. You've coached for some good organizations. Your brother Jay, I'll just say he hasn't been as lucky with some of the organizations that he's worked for in the past and the leadership. But from the top down, like, what does that look like if you're a head coach? And the difference between just a good organization with stable ownership and a bad organization, like, what are the day to day implications and things that come up when you have to deal with just a. A team that might not have it all together.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I think that's a great question. I think it all starts with communication and knowledge. I think the owner that really. Or the owner that hires people that really are on top of the league, the matchups, the rules, the playing rules, the scheduling. There's so many details. The financial piece of this and hiring a staff, the facility. There's a million things that you need to address. And to have an owner who's around perhaps enough to stay on top of all these issues and really have a competitive edge about it, if you know what I mean. I think those are. Those are the places that really are a cut above.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. In the like 2010s, early 2010s, the NFL Network did a top 100 NFL players of all time. You had Jerry Rice's number one of all time. Is that still the case?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that would be for me. I mean, I. I was telling somebody the other day that the thing that Jerry Rice. You know, you hear about some of these receivers now, you know, their stats and all this. Jerry Rice never caught a bubble screen. I don't know if Jerry Rice caught three quick screens either. He didn't want those routes. He was running patterns, man. Man. And the greatest thing about Jerry Rice is I really believe he loved the misery. 37, 38 years old, whenever it was. When he came to the Raiders to play opposite Tim Brown, his body didn't feel good. He was sore as hell. He was tired, he was beat up. We were behind. We weren't getting in the ball enough. They were rotating coverage to him. And that's when he kicked your ass. That's when he played his best, when he was miserable. Miserable. That's when Jerry Rice was the hardest to stop. And I think that's what separates the great ones from the really good ones, is their ability to go out there and just lay it down, man, when they're not at their best.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

I mean, it's a great pick for. For best player of all time. It was incredible. And you've been around enough. Football. I mean, you love football so much. You created like a synthetic football team in South Florida that you guys can study table. You clearly love football.

[Big Cat]

Football.

[Memes]

You're a football guy through and through. You've been around so many great coaches. Who is the top football guy? And he might not be the best coach, might not be the best coach that you would think of, but one guy that just eats, breathes and shits football.

[PFT Commenter]

You talking about living? Yeah, man, that's. That's. That's a good question. I question I'm going to Bloomington, Indiana this week to find out the best. What the hell's going on with the best story in all of football. That's the Indiana Hoosiers.

[Big Cat]

This.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, this Signetti guy. Signetti. He takes James Madison. He's undefeated at James Madison or 12 and 1, Indiana 7. And oh, man, they just beat Nebraska 56 to 7. And I heard this guy absolutely loves it. I'm. I'm going to try to sneak into practice or sneak around to walk through and find out, but there's so many guys that love it, you know, to try to rank them right now, I would. I would Say, that would be tough. Sean McVeigh, I think love loves it. Just after working with Sean, I know how hard he works. Mike Tomlin is one of the guys that loves it. I think Tomlin would do it for free, to be honest with you.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I can't. I can't say I think Bill Walsh was the number one guy I was ever around. Al Davis would be right up there because of their 24, 7 year, round the clock passion for it.

[Memes]

Do you ever give Sean McVeigh shit? Because over the years he's changed his voice a little bit to try to sound more like. Like you?

[PFT Commenter]

No, they just. They got to start winning some games because since that Super Bowl, I know people quote my one lost record after we won the super bowl, it ain't worth a. You know, they gotta. They gotta get back in gear, get back to that super bowl and win it.

[Big Cat]

Do you. Do you think Sean has gotten a little too pretty with the, you know, facial hair being perfect and, and, you know, the perfect hair and he looks like he put on some muscle. Do you think he's gotten too pretty?

[PFT Commenter]

Probably. You know, all these guys nowadays, they have beards I couldn't grow. I still can't grow a beard. But all these coaches. I saw Shanahan on TV the other day, he had a beard. Tomlin's got a big old beard down there on the field. I like the clean shaven. When I was Bobby Knight's ball boy, when I was a kid, you had to have hair above the ear. You had to have clean facial hair. I don't like all these beards. And even Mike McCarthy. Mike and I work together at the University of Pittsburgh. Even he's got a big old beard now, so. So I don't know what the hell kind of styles going on with these coaches.

[Memes]

Yeah, what are they trying to hide with that beard?

[Big Cat]

Wait, you were Bobby Knight's ball boy?

[PFT Commenter]

I was. My dad coached at Indiana for Lee Corso when I was a kid, and Bobby Knight's son Tim and I were best friends, so I was one of the ball boys for the hoosiers. We were 33 and, oh, by the way, 32 and 1. Quinn Buckner, Scottie May, Kent Benson. I. I got to be. Be the ball boy for the red team.

[Big Cat]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

The backup players, and Tim was the. He was the ball boy for the starters, and they would kick the red team's ass. So Coach Knight would come in and he would lay some syllables down that I had never heard before.

[Big Cat]

So how old were you. When this was happening, dude, I was 10.

[PFT Commenter]

I was 11 years old. 12 years old. 10, 11 and 12.

[Big Cat]

That's incredible. Would Bobby Knight ever get mad at you for your ball boy technique? Would he ever be like, what the hell are you doing over there, Gruden?

[PFT Commenter]

He might get mad. You know, my hair was probably over my ears for one of the bus trips. I think that's the only time he got on my case.

[Big Cat]

So. So what point in. When you were growing up, did you know that you wanted to be a coach? Was it. Was it as early as, you know, 10, 11, 12? You're like, this is for me. I love this.

[PFT Commenter]

I pretty much knew in high school, my dad was coaching at Notre Dame. Joe Montana was our quarterback, and we were beating people, man. And that fight song and going to those Notre Dame games was great. Great. And I kind of realized, you know what? I'm not going to be an NFL player. I'm not good enough. I was a backup quarterback at University of Dayton. And being around that Notre Dame locker room, those kids, the kind of guys that they had, the fact they were winning, the tradition, I knew I wanted to do it when I was a junior in high school, and that's probably why I wasn't a great student. And. But at least I found my passion, and my mom and dad encouraged me to go for it.

[Big Cat]

Wait, so at Dayton, what was your record. What was your team's record against San Diego? We know. We know that that's a big rivalry. We were with Coach Harbaugh during training camp, and he. There's a story that he created a rivalry flag without even telling Dayton that he was doing it. And so after they beat him one year, they were just like, this is our flag now. And the Dayton coach was like, what do you mean, we didn't. You just created that. And that's. He wanted to juice up the rivalry. But how'd you guys do against Sandy?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that was before we were in that conference. We did not play San Diego. But funny thing about San Diego is when I was coaching for the Bucks, there was a quarterback at San Diego I kind of liked. So I called Harbaugh. He said, hell, yeah, he's pretty good. So we drafted him. Tampa Bay in the fifth round. And a sucker still playing. His name is Josh Johnson. He's played for about 25 years. I think he's played for every team in the league now. Now. And that's unbelievable, isn't it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, that is.

[Memes]

What is it, though? Like, I. I love Josh Johnson. He Seems like a good guy. You wouldn't get all these jobs if you were a bad dude. He's obviously a professional. Coaches like him, teammates like him. Why hasn't a guy like that been able to stick around with one team?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think he throws it. Personally. I don't think he throws it consistently. Great. I think when you go watch him, you're like, what the hell's wrong with your. He has a nice throwing motion, he has a good arm, don't get me wrong. But it's not a pretty SM spiral. It's not always accurate. But you know what? Every time I see him in a game, the guy comes alive when the lights are on, man, he's really something. He's a gamer. I think he's a guy that can survive on a few reps. He probably just lacks the talent, the elite talent to be an everyday starter.

[Memes]

Yeah, I just feel like a backup quarterback like that. That's proven that they can be a good backup. Even an emergency guy that you put in, that guy should have a job as a backup on a consistent team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he still has a job right now. I mean, he's still in the league. And matter of fact, when Jay was coaching, I think his last year in Washington, they got decimated. Alex Smith got hurt. Haskins got hurt. Colt McCoy got hurt. They brought in Sanchez, I think, and ended up signing Josh Johnson. And he played really good the games he got in.

[Memes]

Yeah. So what about you, Coach? Do you have a coach? Are you. Have you been at the top of your own own coaching hierarchy for. For a while? And you don't have somebody that. That's barking orders at you and screaming at you?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, my wife, you should see how that's going, fellas. I mean, she's tough. My wife's. My wife's a. She cheered at Tennessee. That's where I met her. She's five feet tall, she's a cute little gal, and she's running the show now. I'm just. I'm doing my best, man. I'm trying to reinvent myself as a more productive, you know, assistant around the house. But she's dancing. She's a ballroom dancer for Fred Astaire and she dances really well. And she dances with these really handsome guys, and I'm just kind of. I'm just kind of over here cleaning the house. Jealous.

[Big Cat]

Is there ever a moment when you're getting up at four in the morning to go into your facility where she has to be like, hey, John, you're not. You're not on a team right now. Like, you don't have to go in.

[PFT Commenter]

At 4am that happens a lot. It happens a lot. I mean, Butch Jones brought some of the Arkansas State guys down and Dow Loggins from South Carolina brought a couple of the Gamecock coaches over. And I, I still look at it like it's the last thing in life, man. Just the opportunity to help somebody get better. Yeah, that's what, that's what this game has always been for me. You know, you just love bringing in a guy and have him play better for you than he did for the other guy. There's something that really fires me up about that. And you know, when you study something all off season and you can help somebody and you see them use it in a game and have success with it, that's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Was, was Rich Gannon the quintessential guy that you just described? Because obviously he, you know, he was not like lighting the world on fire and then you got your hands on him and he had some great seasons.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Gannon was unbelievable, man. I mean, he, he single handedly, I think, turned that franchise around. I got a lot of credit for some of the good things that happened, but his attitude, his desire to be great, he'd walk in the office say, what do you got for me? Coach me, Give me something. I mean, he needed tip sheets. And the more control we gave him at the line of scrimmage, the more plays, you know, the more personnel groupings, the better he played, the more we asked him to do. I told him one day, I said, one of these days, Rich, you're going to get on the plane and you're going to hit me right in the chest and say, wait till you see this film. We didn't waste one play. And I remember one year we played up in Kansas City and we got after their ass. I was sitting in the front of the plane having a cold beer. I was so happy. Gannon walked back toward the plane, he bumped me right on the chest. He goes, take a look at that film he loved. He relished Supreme Execution. I mean, he was so into that. And if he audible to a play where we had four on three, or we were on a fast break, we had numbers, or he audibled for Tim Brown against their weak link corner and we didn't get it done, he'd be pissed off for a week. You know what I mean?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, he was, he was, he.

[PFT Commenter]

Was just into that. He was anally competitive and I absolutely loved every minute of coaching that guy.

[Memes]

Yeah, Is there, is there a guy that you've had? I know obviously when you coach guys, you coach them hard. That's kind of your style. You're going to yell at everybody, you're going to get in everybody's face. How do you know when there's a guy that maybe can't take as much pushing as you want to get, give them and then do you dial it back or you just like, this guy can't play for me?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I, I really, I, I don't yell at everybody. I never yelled at Jerry Rice. I really didn't yell at Tim Brown. I'm not going to yell at Steve Wisniewski or, you know, Barrett Robbins or something. I don't yell a lot of these guys. A lot of it's encouraging sarcasm. I try to piss you off one day, I try to stir the pot. You know what I mean, guys? I try to make you guys laugh. Say something that really, really make you laugh and I'll try to tick you off the next, the next day. And then I might try to fire you up, might even try to will you up one day with a teary eyed little comment or something, you know, But I, I like guys that, that, that are emotionally into it, genuine enthusiasm and consistently there while we're out there. I just can't stand going through the motions with these dull, boring meetings and lackluster practices. They drove me nuts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So how do you stir it up if you're going through a lackluster meeting? If you've been walking around the building, you know, things are just kind of boring. What, what's your plan? What's your go to? Do you have like a book that you look up, you're like football coach tricks. Do you get on the phone with somebody? Do you, do you talk to another coach? Or do you just have like creative energy to come up with something weird?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, creativity has always, I think, been part of being a good team nature. You know, you don't just run the same play from the same formation with the same drills. You got to mix it up. And I believe in analogies a lot. I would make videos, you know, talking about competitiveness. Might have a, I don't know, I might have a leper, I might have a, a leopard taking a drink out of a puddle of water and have some alligator come out of where is, snatch that freaking alley and snatch that guy right there for a snack, you know? Know. And if you're like, if you're not competing for dinner, man, you ain't competing. But Just stupid analogies having fun with these guys, demonstrations, whatever it may be. Using the social media world, there's some unbelievable things. If you have a video guy on your staff or you have somebody that's helping you put together analogies that are relative to the team you're playing or to the guy you're coaching. The players loved it and they appreciated it, I think deep down somewhere.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, so this has been awesome. Coach, I got a couple last questions for you. The first is the. So I'm a Bears fan, PFT is a commander's fan, and our producer, Hank's a Patriots fan. How. What have you seen from the rookie quarterbacks through, you know, limited sample size. But how. How are you feeling about Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels and Drake May going forward? Did. Did those franchises is get the right guy?

[PFT Commenter]

I really like the kid in Chicago, Caleb Williams. I think they got to protect him better, you know, against good defenses in obvious passing situations. I'm hoping he starts to do a little bit more at the line of scrimmage, fixing protections, getting out of certain protections when he knows there's a blitz coming that they can't pick up. And I think that'll help him big time moving forward. But his ability to throw the ball from awkward delivery, his accuracy. I want to see Williams when the weather gets shitty up there in Chicago, though. Yeah, that to me is going to be really important because, you know, having coach for the Green Bay Packers, I'm telling you, it is cold, man. It's hard to throw a ball. I couldn't throw sterling, sharp ball drills in pregame. It was too cold for me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And Jaden Daniels, I like Daniels a lot. Obviously, he's. He's electric. But I saw him get hit again. I saw him carry the ball 18 times in that first game against Tampa. I don't want to see this guy running the ball unless he's scrambling. And I want to see him protect himself a lot better because he's not the biggest guy. But I'll say this. He has been very impressive, throwing and passing and competing. He's just going to be his own worst enemy. I'd be pissed at him every time he took a hit. You know what I mean, guys? Because that quarterback, he's the only guy in the team that can't play. Play with a sore right shoulder or a jammed left or jammed right thumb. So we got to be really careful with them. And, you know, when it comes to Drake, May I just. I think they have a long way to go. With their offense, they really don't have much firepower at receiver. They don't really have a great offensive line and they're playing behind a little bit. But I thought he showed some poise and he showed some real progress in the last. Last game and a half against Houston and Jacksonville out there in London.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I had a last question for you, Coach. And again, thank you very much for joining us. I hope we can talk to you in person at some point. Yeah. Come watch some football. By the way, what is your setup like for NFL Sunday?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I have this YouTube channel, as you know. You can go, you get all the games. You can flick back and forth or you can put four, four at a time on. So we here at the FFCA, we've got two TVs. We can put the game we really want to watch on the big one and we can put four games on at the bottom. And then you can put a couple of your buddies over there in the other room to study the game that you can't study so they can give you a report at half time. It's a sick world that I live in.

[Memes]

I love it.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Memes]

I love. Do you still love spider 2?

[PFT Commenter]

Why banana spider if you have a fullback? That's why I should be on your fullback board.

[Memes]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, I'm watching the Rams. No disrespect to the Rams. I've been watching them all morning. They're in the 11 personnel the whole game. They never have a fullback there. No two back sets. How the hell do you go through a game? Short yardage yesterday against the Raiders, they get smashed on third and one three straight times. Put the fullback in there and throw a Y banana, man.

[Big Cat]

What is it about.

[Memes]

What's it about that play that just makes it unguardable?

[PFT Commenter]

You know what's great about the play? It's the protection. Spider 2 is the protection. Protection Spider 2, the line slides to the left and the fullback goes to the right. In Spider 2, if we call Spider 3, the line slides to the right and the back goes to the left. But Spider 2 is an aggressive protection. If you're the right tackle, the right guard or the center, you block your inside gap. That's it. And you come down pissed off and knock the crap out of that inside gap. The linemen love to protect. And it's a safe gap, protection. And then you have obviously the fullback bluffing and catching the ball. We used to throw a banana just to get Mike Allstadt the ball on the sidelines so I could see Ray Buchanan of the Falcons try to tackle them. I love it. Making these corners tackle Mike all start. Hell, I didn't want to get in my car and go home unless I had that image in my mind.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I love it. I love it. All right, so I have one last, last question. Rollback question. Rho, B, A, C, K.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rollback.com promo code, take. This has been so much fun, Coach, and we definitely want to have you back on talking football week to week here and there. But I had one last question. Will Compton, you coached him. What do you think about him as a football player? Real football guy? He's a football guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, Compton, he was the original Gruden grand grinder. When I started doing that segment on Monday Night Football, Will Compton is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not going to be pretty. He's not going to be Luke. He's not Luke Hickley. He's not Fred Warner. He's just not. He's just Will freaking Compton. But he gets the job done, man.

[Big Cat]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

The guy's productive in any situation and he fights his ass. I love Will Compton. You tell him I said hello.

[Big Cat]

I will. Listen, we gotta like PFT said, we got to get you here to Chicago to our studio, do in person, maybe watch some football together and then you get to watch. We have a. We have a Will Compton museum in the bathroom here so you can visit it. Maybe you have something that you could put in there. But yeah, he's got a full handicap stall in the bathroom. It's got all his stats and his. His jerseys. It's a beautiful museum.

[PFT Commenter]

Why don't you tell Will Compton to put a picture of himself up throwing up after Indiana kicked their ass. 56, 7.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. He's in a bad spot right now. He's not. Tell him I said hello.

[PFT Commenter]

I love your show and thanks for having me on. I hope the ratings don't plummet.

[Big Cat]

No, this could be great. And yeah, we would love to have you come by sometime. And thank you so much, coach. It was great talking football.

[Memes]

Yeah, Coach, I'm going to get your info and we're going to. I'm going to send you a text about the college football low man trophy because we got Lorenzo Neal on there. Mike Allstott's on the committee. We would love to have you on there and shine some light on the Phobos.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be an honor. Thank you. Guys.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, let's wrap up. We have fire fest of the week. Henry? Yes, go ahead.

[Max]

Not too bad of a fire fest. Could have been worse. I had a 6am flight back from Boston yesterday day. Oh no, I was staying at my uncle has a place in Cambridge so like not too far from the airport. I was sleeping on an air mattress at his place. I had an alarm set for 4:45.

[Memes]

Didn't drink a single beer.

[Max]

I had one single beer. It was given to me. Would have been rude to turn it down, but one beer, not bad. Alarm set for 4:45. It was on vibrate mode so I did not hear it. My uncle kind of shook me at 5:15. Was like, hey, it's 5:15. I had to just instantly wake up, call an Uber right away, run downstairs, get to the airport. The flight stopped boarding at 5:45. I got to the airport at 5:35. And then my fire fest was that I had to be that guy in the line at security. Hey, I'm really sorry, I have a flight at six. Do you mind? Hey, I'm really sorry, do you have a flight at 6? Do you mind? Hey, I'm really sorry, I have a flight at six. Do you mind? Then I had to full sprint to the airport to make it with one minute to spare.

[Memes]

Did anybody say yes, I do mind?

[Max]

No, it was only it was in the clear line so it was only like 10, 1015 people. But I felt horrible doing it. Super awkward. But also it was the only way that I was going to make my flight and I did so worth it. Awkward. Felt like an but sometimes it's got to be done.

[Memes]

I feel like you, you lead this podcast definitely in having other people wake you up as you're alarm for you.

[Max]

Yeah, probably.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

Well, who knows with you guys? I just talk about It.

[Memes]

Yeah, good point.

[Big Cat]

So did. What did the people say in the line?

[Max]

Yeah, like no problem, good luck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

And they said someone else just.

[Big Cat]

They hated your guts. Yeah, that's the worst.

[Max]

Although there's no one else. Like, it's the, it's the 6am I think is like the earliest flight, so I think.

[Big Cat]

True. That does.

[Max]

It wasn't as big of a deal because there was no, no way anyone else was in a rush.

[Big Cat]

The. And 6am the very, very early is definitely a different vibe than like running in at like 2 in the afternoon. Everyone been like, dude, you couldn't have planned for this, right?

[Memes]

Yeah. It's clear that you just slept in. Yeah, we did. When you sat down on the plane, were you breathing hard?

[Big Cat]

Sweating? Oh yeah, sweating.

[Max]

It wasn't too long of a run, so. No, I also lost my AirPods in the.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's terrible.

[Max]

Yeah. So that was the other fire festival. Like I put them in the thing, grabbed what I thought I grabbed them and then I got to the plane, went to take them out.

[Big Cat]

I was like, that is.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So. Yeah.

[Memes]

So you had to raw dog it.

[Max]

Yeah, but I slept.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's our guy.

[Memes]

Probably didn't snore.

[Big Cat]

That's our guy.

[Max]

Definitely snort.

[Big Cat]

It's definitely snore. Probably got a boner.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Healthy man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Pft.

[Memes]

My father fest is that I have a problem. Problem. I have a problem. It's been going on for a few years now and it's gotten, it's gotten worse in the last, like, I'd say six months. I. I can't stop ordering food to the wrong address.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So I, I used to be good for this once every, I don't know, two months or so, but it's been like an avalanche recently. So a couple Saturdays ago I, I ordered a hundred dollars worth of Thai food, accidentally sent it to the office when I was at home and didn't realize it until I got out and there was no delivery guy there at my front door. And I was like, wrong address. Then two days later, I ordered Greek soup to the wrong address. And I, I resolved to myself at the moment it's going to stop happening. And it was the opposite. I was at work, I ordered to my house. And then two days ago I did it again and I just can't. I can't stop.

[Big Cat]

Check at the top at least.

[Memes]

So the beef was over at my house a couple Saturdays ago and the day that I forgot got and ordered soup to my house by mistake and said to the office the beef hit me up, and he was like, hey, just so a heads up, I. I ordered roast pork by accident to your house because it was still the most recent dress. So then I got home, and I had two meals waiting for me.

[Big Cat]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Memes]

Which was kind of nice. But I don't know. I don't know how to fix this, because I've tried to remind myself, but every time I order on UberEats, I accidentally. I send it to the wrong place.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just.

[Memes]

And it's a real problem.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Look at the top. I've only done that once, and it was after Beer Olympics. We got back to Chicago, like, two days after or whatever, a day and a half after, and I ordered, like, three different thing. Three different times. I ordered something, like, back to back to back from CVS to the hotel room we were staying at.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because cvs, like, you don't think. Like, it wasn't a restaurant, because obviously it was a restaurant. You would be like, that's not. That restaurant's not in Chicago.

[Memes]

Exist there.

[Big Cat]

Right. But I just kept on trying to get something ordered to the office, and it just. I. It just was going to the hotel.

[Memes]

I feel like there's. There's no worse feeling than being super excited about a meal. And you wait for an hour for that meal, and then you just open up the app and you're like, well, now I gotta wait an extra hour for the meal because it got delivered to the wrong place. Max did that, you remember, with Taco Bell.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Memes]

Yep. Did that.

[Hank]

That was a nice anniversary gift.

[Memes]

Yeah. I've got a real problem with that. I don't know. I don't know how to fix it because I've tried everything. I don't know what to do about it. I want to find, like, a homeless guy in my neighborhood that I can call up and be like, hey, there's food at the house again. If you just want to stop.

[Big Cat]

You just have to stop ordering food to the office.

[Memes]

But what do I do for lunch? I'm about to do it. I'm gonna do it in about 30 minutes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And. And I am. If I up when it's this front of my mind, then there's a real issue.

[Big Cat]

You need to.

[Memes]

I need to have somebody else order for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. Or like, it's gotta be a submarine where you turn two keys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

To make it happen. And then my other fyre fest is I've got a new whitest thing that I've ever done. I don't know. It might not Be right now. The current whitest thing that I've ever.

[Big Cat]

Done is wearing the Luke McCaffrey jersey.

[Memes]

That's actually it in the top three, too.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

So I'm thinking back because for a long time, the whitest thing I've ever done was I at one point took a. I took a Hamilton themed peloton ride, which is pretty white. It's tough to beat that amount. The Luke McCaffrey salute to service camo jers.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty high up.

[Memes]

Might be. I. I don't know what it is. I love counterfeit jerseys. They. They're the best. So that might be number two. And then my third is I ordered a Halloween costume for my dog, so I've done that. So Blake is getting dressed up this year as Willie Nelson.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And I got him, like, it's got overalls on the front and, like a little ukulele for a guitar. And then it's got the braids in his head. I ordered the extra large because Blake's a big boy. He's about like 125 pounds, right. Right now. And the extra large does not translate to Blake's size. It looks like a small or medium. So I got Blake dressed up in this Halloween outfit the other day, and. And he's. I just wasted my money on this outfit.

[Big Cat]

I think that's okay. I've done that.

[Memes]

It's like a little mini Willie Nelson. Yeah, it's kind. It is kind of adorable, though.

[Big Cat]

Of course it is.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's a dog in a costume. The rules.

[Memes]

But it's also very white.

[Big Cat]

All right. Mine is just simple that I last week was on a. Oh, that's very cool. You think?

[Memes]

I see. You think that's a good outfit for Blake.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's a very good outfit. Mine is very simple. I just. Last week I was on by because the Bears were on the buy and Wisconsin played Northwestern. And this week I'm just like, in it. It's going to change. Penn State on Saturday night and then Commanders on Sunday. My mood could be completely wrecked until, like, Thanksgiving.

[Memes]

Yeah, somebody's going to be very depressed on Sunday night.

[Big Cat]

And I have the Penn State. Like, that's a double whammy. So I could be. I'm staring down the barrel of a gun.

[Memes]

Am I crazy to think, though, that Wisconsin's not as bad as they looked at the start of the year?

[Big Cat]

No, they're definitely better, but Penn State's very good. I'm just hoping the difference between playing at 11 o'clock in the morning and 6:30 at night at Camp Randall is night and day.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah. Literally, things. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Things could get dicey for you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I predict a split for you this weekend.

[Hank]

I'll be in the building for that.

[Big Cat]

Makes me feel good.

[Memes]

Yeah, we know that you'd be happy with the split.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm saying that makes me feel good that Max is going to be there in Penn State gear.

[Max]

Yeah, people.

[Hank]

People are not happy. Penn State fans were not happy when I tweeted that I was going to go.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I love. I love that.

[Memes]

What's your record?

[Hank]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

Oh, they had the Whiteout game against Minnesota.

[Hank]

What's my record?

[Memes]

What's your record for Penn State games attended by Max?

[Hank]

I think three, zero. No, two and one. I went to Michigan last year. That was the worst game ever. That was really the worst football game in the history of football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Michigan didn't throw the ball.

[Memes]

Yeah, that was.

[Hank]

They didn't throw one time in the second half.

[Big Cat]

Bullied you.

[Hank]

I went.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Bullied you.

[Hank]

Beat Washington.

[Memes]

There was, like, no quarterback playing that game on either side.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But Drew Allers.

[Big Cat]

Drew Allers.

[Hank]

Drew Allen's a lot better this year than he was.

[Big Cat]

Way different. Way different. Way different. It's gonna be a tough game. All right, good show, boys. Numbers 3, 5, 18, 11, 9, and 9. Poke. 17, 17, 21, 12, 12. TB 12.

[Memes]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

Dam.

[Memes]

Sa.

[Big Cat]

Sa.