Keith Yandle Talking Hockey, Pablo Torre On Jordon Hudson And Bill Belichick, Jayson Tatum Tears His Achilles And Celtics Down 3-1, Mavs Win The Lottery + Guys On Chicks

Summary

Pardon My Take - Episode Summary
Release Date: May 14, 2025

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1. Celtics' 3-1 Series Deficit and Jayson Tatum's Injury

The hosts delve into the Boston Celtics' disappointing fall to a 3-1 series deficit against the New York Knicks, primarily attributing the loss to Jayson Tatum's unfortunate Achilles injury.

• Big Cat [03:03]: "They're playing great ball right now, and that's a fact."
• PFT [04:05]: "It is demoralizing, you're right. Because last year felt like the year where they learned how to lose."

Hank expresses frustration over the Celtics' inability to secure the conference finals despite a strong regular season, highlighting the impact of key player injuries.

• Hank [07:09]: "It's still game by game. Anyone can come back and he's going to learn that the hard way."

The discussion emphasizes the need for the Celtics to focus on winning each game individually, especially in the wake of significant injuries.

• PFT [31:51]: "We can beat the Knicks without Jason Tatum."

2. Mavericks Win the NBA Lottery

The episode shifts focus to the NBA Lottery, celebrating the Dallas Mavericks securing the top pick with a slim 1.8% chance, edging out the Chicago Bulls by a mere 0.1%.

• Big Cat [62:48]: "We got credentialed and we were at the lottery. We might have gotten..."
• PFT [65:06]: "Well, they were the only team that that, like, could have happened to."

The hosts express mixed feelings about attending the lottery event, humorously critiquing the presentation and their own experience.

• Big Cat [62:57]: "They hand us a fucking picture of ourselves on a laminated card with a lanyard on."
• PFT [64:33]: "And I imagine they get pissed off that everyone says that it's rigged."

They also touch upon conspiracy theories surrounding the lottery's fairness, ultimately debunking their suspicions after witnessing the transparent process.

• Big Cat [70:21]: "Every sports conspiracy theory where, like, if you had a gun to my head and you're like, you have to say yes or no, was this rigged?"
• PFT [70:25]: "Yeah, that's us. That's us."

3. Interview with Pablo Torre: Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick

Pablo Torre joins the podcast to discuss his investigative work on the relationship between Jordan Hudson and NFL coach Bill Belichick.

• Big Cat [143:03]: "Journalist to journalists, we have to just lay all of our cards on the table."
• Pablo Torre [143:47]: "We take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly."

Torre reveals his deep dive into the dynamics behind Belichick's professional environment, particularly focusing on Hudson's influence and the ensuing power struggles.

• Pablo Torre [147:36]: "It's like, we have to figure out how to just start the conversation that all of us have been too afraid to talk about."

He addresses the rumors and controversies surrounding Hudson's role, emphasizing the challenges of uncovering the truth behind high-profile relationships.

• Pablo Torre [162:55]: "People started seeing Jordan Hudson in Bill Belichick's... events, and it was like, okay, we gotta make this happen somehow."

The interview concludes with discussions about potential future collaborations and the complexities of maintaining journalistic integrity while investigating influential figures.

4. Keith Yandle on Hockey Playoffs

Keith Yandle, a seasoned NHL player, discusses the ongoing hockey playoffs, offering insights into team performances and key matches.

• Keith Yandle [03:02]: "The Thunder are starting to get up to speed where it's like these crunch time, big time moments."

Yandle provides analysis on the Dallas Mavericks' (Mavs) strategies and the team's chemistry, highlighting standout performances and potential outcomes in the playoffs.

• Yandle [26:30]: "They are a team that can carry it over and, you know, keep building momentum on that."

He also touches upon other playoff series, offering his perspectives on team dynamics and player performances.

• Yandle [117:37]: "Florida will, I think that the way that they play will kind of take away from the way that Carolina plays."

5. Guys on Chicks Segment

In a light-hearted and humorous segment, the hosts discuss various topics related to women, relationships, and personal anecdotes.

• Hank [182:44]: "I heard about guys doing Scrotox, which is Botox for your balls. What's your take on this?"
• PFT [183:01]: "Yes. That's a fact."

The conversation takes a comedic turn as they joke about relationships, personal grooming, and the absurdities of modern dating culture.

• Big Cat [185:03]: "If you're the Wizard's front office, do you pick up that phone and do you call Nico and do you say, just take it."
• Hank [195:15]: "I hope three hits so bad."

They conclude the segment by sharing laughs over playful banter about personal grooming habits and relationship woes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Big Cat [03:03]: "They're playing great ball right now, and that's a fact."
• PFT [31:51]: "We can beat the Knicks without Jason Tatum."
• Pablo Torre [143:47]: "We take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly."
• Yandle [26:30]: "They are a team that can carry it over and, you know, keep building momentum on that."
• Hank [182:44]: "I heard about guys doing Scrotox, which is Botox for your balls. What's your take on this?"

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This episode of "Pardon My Take" offers a comprehensive look into pivotal NBA playoff moments, the intricacies of the NBA Lottery, an in-depth investigative discussion with Pablo Torre, expert analysis from NHL veteran Keith Yandle, and a fun segment tackling relationship dynamics. Whether you're a sports enthusiast or looking for engaging conversations, this episode delivers a mix of insightful commentary and entertaining banter.

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[PFT]

Yeah.

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[PFT]

It's fun. It's fun. They, I, I felt like they were going to come back even when they were down early. Like, this is a team that, that does not quit. And the Cavs, yeah, they were hobbled. They've got excuses. That's good for the Cavs. Like, at least you can point to injuries and stuff. Be like, yeah, well, we weren't at full speed, but the, the Pacers did look good and they stuck it in ESPN's face.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

This is a trend that we're seeing now because remember, in the first round, I think it was 10 nothing. The ESPN experts picked the Lakers over the Wolves. I think it was 13 nothing. ESPN experts picked the Cavs over the Pacers. And I think it's 13 to 1 Celtics over the Knicks as well. So there's a lot, there's a lot going on right now at espn.

[Big Cat]

And hand up, I think this whole show had the Cavs. This whole show had the Celtics, which we're going to get to. I know a lot of people are probably tuning in for that. When we get back in studio, we'll get to I. Yeah, I saw it. Miles Turner tweeted out after the game all the experts that picked the Cavs. Miles Turner was incredible this series. He was incredible tonight. He hit the dagger shot. I think he had five blocks. Hal Burton was awesome. Playoff. Nemhardt is a real thing. They're just a fun team. They play with so much pace. They wear you out. Rick Carlisle was even like, Rick Carlisle might be the most underrated coach in the, in the NBA. He was very gracious in defeat, in victory, being like, you know, the Cavs had an incredible season. They just ran into a hot team like us. We're playing great ball right now, and that's a fact. Like they. I think. So the excuse thing for the Cavs, they obviously had some injuries. Darius Garland, Mobley, Donovan Mitchell gets banged up a little. I still think that this is a really, like, demoralizing, disgusting way to go out. For a team that won 64 games this year, that's the second most wins in Cleveland Cavaliers franchise to go out in five games. And especially the way game four happened. I think you got to run it back if you're the Cavs, but, man, that's as demoralizing as it gets to go out that way. Like, they, they just didn't. They didn't put up a fight other than, you know, Donovan Mitchell having heroic moments. And yeah, you could turn to game two and be like, hey, if they could inbound the ball, they could have had, you know, two wins and the series could still be going on. But that's what the Pacer. The Pacers make clutch shots, big moments, run like, run fast. They just, they have it all. And I, if you're a Cavs fan, I think this is as like, dark as it's been for a long time. And I'll say this. PFT, LeBron, he's going to opt out. He's going to opt out. Could he. Could he end his career in Cleveland? Could he fix everything?

[PFT]

I don't think he's opting out.

[Big Cat]

He might opt out to take less money, but that would be fun. If he did the opt out and we had like a day or two of being like Cavs last time.

[PFT]

It would be fun. It is demoralizing, you're right. Because last year felt like the year where they learned how to lose.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[PFT]

Right. Like last year, they were too young and they were injured last year on the rise. They were injured last year. But that felt like, for most Cavs fans, it's like, okay, let's focus on next season. That's when we could put it all together. They had a great season, so the expectations were super, super high for him. And yeah, this is, this is going to be one that takes a while to get over, but you do. It is nice to have that built in excuse to be like, yeah, we were injured. Yeah, it helps you get through the dark days.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And. And they did win 64 games. Not. That's not, you know, an easy task. And. But you just can't. You can't go out in the, if you win 64 games, you got, you gotta, you gotta get to at least the, the conference finals, I feel like. And you gotta, and you can't go out this way unless it's like someone is out for the entire playoffs. But like I, yeah, it's, it's tough for the cast. Pacers are good. The Pacers are good. And it's crazy because now who knows how the Celtics, Knicks will finish, but obviously the Celtics are on the ropes. The Knicks could be hosting an Eastern Conference final. And we have member last year, all the, all the ESPN stuff where they just didn't mention the, the Pacers in that series against the Knicks.

[PFT]

Oh yeah. Stephen A. Smith doing the long walk in.

[Big Cat]

So I like it. The Hicks versus the Knicks. And it's like the Pacers get, they have that chip on their shoulder. And the only complaint I have about the Pacers in this run because they are so much fun to watch is they got to figure out the jerseys. That's it. That's the only thing I'll throw out there. I'll keep saying it. They look like the heat at home, but other than that, Hal Burton has risen a different, like an extra level. All the other guys are playing big time moments and, and making big time shots. They pass the ball so well. Feels like everyone's always good looks. And I'm happy for Miles Turner because going into the series you're like, oh, Jared Allen versus Miles Turner or Evan Mobley. Mobley versus Miles Turner. He's still good. And he's, he feels like he's been in the league forever. How long has he been in the league?

[PFT]

I'm not sure. But I, I, I don't, I saw the look on Hank's face. I don't want to bury the Celtics just yet. Hank got a little bit upset with the presumptive Knicks discussion.

[Big Cat]

But he's, he's been in league for 10 years.

[PFT]

You gotta, you gotta think about it, Hank. That's our job. We gotta look ahead sometimes. And right now it's three to one. So I, my only thing is, and we did find out last night that we have, there's some people in the NBA front office that do listen to part of my take. So I'll make this case one more time, one last time. Free John Halliburton.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Free Halliburton's dad.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

He did his time. He sat out. He missed the home games. This is Indiana basketball. This is as a state that has Hoosiers. Did they Sean Dennis Hopper and Hoosiers.

[Big Cat]

They gotta bring him back. They gotta bring him back for the Knicks.

[PFT]

They ended up embracing him. They made him an assistant coach. He totally redeemed himself. This is. You gotta let the guy's dad be there at the games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Hank, I know. We're going to talk about the Celtics. Knicks, and we taped that portion earlier in the day and we talked about Jerry o' Connell. Jerry o' Connell has already gone on to the Pacers.

[PFT]

Yeah, he's moved on.

[Big Cat]

He's moved. Mr. Bing Bong has moved on to the Pacers. Are you going to be using this as fuel for the Celtics?

[Hank]

Yeah, I mean, it's the playoffs. You should never look ahead like that. It's still game by game. Anyone can come back and he's going to learn that the hard way.

[PFT]

That's what, that's what hanks always said. Mr. Game by game.

[Big Cat]

Mr. Game by game. Don't look ahead. Do not look ahead. Or do the Pacers. Scary. A little. Hank.

[Hank]

Pacers are good. They're a good team.

[Big Cat]

They scare you.

[Hank]

They're a good team. It would be a tough matchup if we got there. I would be honored with the opportunity. Yeah, but we gotta be New York first. That's.

[Big Cat]

You gotta beat New York.

[PFT]

Jerry's. Jerry's little man bun that he's got going right now is elite, too. I didn't know he was capable of that. I didn't know he had that, that shot in his bag. But, yeah, he pulls it off.

[Hank]

I mean, the hat that I gave him was like a really nice hat in good condition. And he's just like. I don't. He's like, bite chewing.

[Big Cat]

It's A. Fleming. He's Fleming. That. But, yeah, I'm happy for the Pacers. I'm happy for Pacers fans. It will be fun to watch whoever it is they play in the next round. There you go, Hank. How much they shun them and pretend that the Pacers aren't involved in the series. We will, on this podcast, be repping the Pacers and, and, and saying the Pacers deserve more credit throughout the entire series. If espn, if they have Stephen A. Smith doing speeches and, and tunnel walks, we'll do a tunnel walk. We'll do a speech. We'll represent for the, for the smaller markets.

[PFT]

We might get a little McAfee, Stephen A. Smith, head to head.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that would be good.

[PFT]

Some bad blood.

[Big Cat]

That will be good. That'll be good. I don't, I don't have Stephen A. Smith's Phone number. We know Pat McAfee, so the choice is easy. We'll have our sword take our sword in this battle. All right. And then we had an awesome game in the second game. The Thunder and Nuggets. It felt like the Nuggets were going to win that game, and then they just could not make a shot in the fourth quarter. It was crazy. Like, they, they just kept. I mean, we had the Russ airball. They just couldn't find offense. And the Thunder, that. That felt like one of those. You know how on Friday night they lose that OT game and it was like, ooh, the Nuggets just know how to win these games. Feels like the, the Thunder are starting to get up to speed where it's like these crunch time, big time moments. Game fives are always important, especially when it's 2 2. And the thunder kind of grew up a little bit tonight.

[PFT]

I was going back and forth because it felt like it was a Jamal Murray game where Jamal Murray was giving you enough as the number two option, where the Nuggets usually win those sorts of games. But then the fourth quarter, he just kind of disappeared and he quit making his shots. It basically became like, okay, pick and roll at the top of the key. And then Jokic do something magical and he is capable of doing magic. Like there's sometimes when. Even when he gets tired, he's. He plays like a dad, just dominating in pool basketball, right? Dudes hanging off him, spinning around, using the glass. And it felt like that was going to be. That was going to be the story of this game. But he didn't have enough help.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was, it was basically like, which, which help showed up because SGA had, you know, his 30, 31. Jokic was in, was just bounced back from his slew of like a subpar games with 44. And it just happens that the, the Thunder were able to make the big shots from the other guys, like even Lou Dort, who couldn't hit a three to start the series or these playoffs. You know, hit. Hit some big shots. Caruso was everywhere, as always. And so, yeah, it felt like the, The. The rest of the Thunder stepped up in a way that the Nuggets weren't able to find someone because it was. It was just Jamal Murray and Nicole Jokic scoring like they didn't have. They didn't get much from anyone else. And you could see it at the end when they just had no options and no one could hit a shot for him. And they were just putting like basically the entire defense on Jokic and being like anyone else. Hit a shot, and we can live with it. And they couldn't hit a shot. Yeah.

[PFT]

Dort went back to back to back with three pointers.

[Big Cat]

I love when he does.

[PFT]

And then the hustle play, run out of bounds. I love watching that guy play.

[Big Cat]

And he has been bad. Like, he. He's had moments where he's almost. He's played himself off the court. Like, they have not been able to use him because his shooting has, like the. The way that the Thunder are set up. Like, Lou Dort plays defense, and he's going to get some open looks. He's got to hit those open looks. I think he was shooting, like 29 before tonight, and then tonight he started hitting those big threes, and that's a big difference for their offense.

[PFT]

I want to see more of the series. I hope it goes seven, because this has been a really fun one to watch. And the others, it's like, you know, kind of fast forwarding look. Looking forward to getting to the next round. This one. I love this matchup. I wish that they could play 20 more times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I. I need a game seven. I need a game seven. What's that look? Hank.

[PFT]

Hank's mad.

[Big Cat]

You mad about something?

[Hank]

Yeah. I disagree. I mean, we've been talking about the Celtics next series more than any other one. I don't understand fast forwarding.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's what he means. You're.

[PFT]

You're a big Celtics fan.

[Big Cat]

We were talking about. But we want this series to go 70s is what he's saying.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

We're just fast forwarding through these other series. Could care less.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

The Celtics were dominating.

[Hank]

I just. I. I didn't think that was appropriate.

[Max]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Maybe we need an appropriate meter.

[Hank]

No. You asked what my face was. I. I can't. I just was reacting.

[Big Cat]

You can't hide your face. No. Do you think you should start doing the show in a ski mask?

[Hank]

No, I don't. I. I feel how I feel. If she knows what he's doing.

[Big Cat]

It's not nice.

[Hank]

It's not nice. It's not nice.

[PFT]

I'm sorry for being not bft.

[Big Cat]

It's not nice. Please be nicer.

[PFT]

I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be nicer to Hank, specifically in the future.

[Big Cat]

That's nice.

[PFT]

You know what else is nice? I have something nice. It's nice that we don't have to do all the inside the NBA tributes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like, I feel like that was a big conversation last year. It's like, oh, no, we're gonna be losing these guys in a year. And now it's like, okay, well, they're coming back next year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So that's cool. We don't have to. We don't have to deal with that. Lost too. Michael Jordan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Jordan's gonna be. Dude, if. So there's news. I think it was, what, Tuesday morning or. No, sorry, Monday morning. I can't. I can't get my days straight. That MJ is doing. And he's doing Peacock, right? Yeah, he's gonna be on the Peacock.

[PFT]

He's gonna be an occasional contributor, so not all the time, but he's gonna. He's gonna parachute in if MJ has to give picks.

[Big Cat]

No, I. No, I, I. You know, he won't. They won't let him. But he has to.

[PFT]

I think he might. I think he might. I would love it in there.

[Big Cat]

I would love if he not only gave picks, but he also, like, he's like, all right, we're going to go to MJ's picks tonight. And he's like, all right, I got the Knicks, I got the Nuggets, and here's what you're going to want to do. If you have 14 in the dealer showing eight, like, he gives tips on blackjack, too.

[PFT]

NASCAR. I want MJ just unloading the clip. I think. I mean, if we're being honest, why do you think MJ is doing this? I think it. He probably had the Chiefs in the super bowl, right? Damn it, I gotta get a job.

[Big Cat]

I think he also, like, this is. This is a part. Legacy is obviously important. And, like, being on TV is important. He hasn't. He doesn't do. He doesn't do media, like, at all. So I think being in the conversation, like, you see Gretzky out there, obviously, like, Charles Barkley had an incredible NBA career. He. He is well known, far past his, like, compared to, like, some of the guys he played with. He's well known so much farther past that because of what he's done with inside the NBA.

[PFT]

So I actually think that's probably the biggest reason why Jordan's doing this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Is because he wants to come back and dominate Chuck. He's sick of Chuck. And he got mad at Chuck a couple years ago when. When Barkley was saying that MJ stunk as a gm, which is true. I mean, just objectively, it is as an analyst. And then I think Jordan got real mad about that. And he sees these guys that used to dominate in basketball on tv. He's like, fuck that. I'm going to come on TV and just make their life hell again.

[Big Cat]

I just. I need, like, I need all of the picks, and I need, like, you know, instead of. Instead of a race to the. To the screen, like, maybe they have, like. Like wiener dogs racing in between commercials.

[Hank]

Table.

[Big Cat]

Just. What if his table is just a roulette table? I need all of it. Just, like, it's just MJ's gambling hour. That would be incredible. TV.

[PFT]

I kind of look at. @ MJ on TV. Like, I. I felt about Brady coming to TV, like, it's almost beneath him.

[Hank]

That's what.

[PFT]

I'm Michael Jordan on tv, talking to us. It's like, we don't. We don't deserve to hear from Michael Jordan. Like, it's weird having that. He's also, like, the richest.

[Hank]

He's like the richest guy a lot. Like, he's so rich.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's. It's, you know, Jeter doing the Fox. It's. It's Brady doing it. It's. There's like a bubble to, like, the aura that then when you see them on tv and, like, you know, he'll say something wrong or say something stupid, and that'll become a viral clip, and you're like, oh, what's this? You know, I think.

[PFT]

I hope he gets on Twitter. He'll never do it. He'll never do that. Like, Michael Jordan doesn't.

[Big Cat]

He doesn't hope he gets into meme coins.

[PFT]

Oh, for sure.

[Big Cat]

He.

[PFT]

He and Reggie Miller might actually get into a fight on the air.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I mean, it will be great, too, because he can just, like, he has the ultimate trump card on every. Like, I hope he just shows up in his rings sometimes. Just. Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

Like, they should let him smoke a cigar inside the studio.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, do it.

[PFT]

Do whatever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Have the host who's hosting that show. Do we know?

[PFT]

I'm not sure. Maybe Tarico.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Tirico to Rico's dressed up like a. Like a blackjack dealer. And, like, they're just playing hands during the show. Yeah. Just keep them engaged.

[PFT]

I'm in. I'm in. I'm interested to see what happens. But it's like with Brady, it's like with. With Gretzky, kind of. It's shocking to see the greatest of all time in any sport, like, talking to you and commentating on the games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But the. The one thing with MJ is, like, I feel like he. He will have the opportunity to be, like, a great storyteller that we don't, you know, we don't we don't hear often because again, he, he's not done media for so long outside the last dance. Like, he has that ability. Like, he could tell stories that you're like, I've. You know what I mean? I've never heard this story. I've never heard this angle of this story. Whereas some of the guys who are like, very accessible, you kind of have heard them all. And you, you, you, you've gone through them all. So he does have that, like, wow factor. Yeah.

[PFT]

I mean, it's a great move by NBC.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Great move, folks.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

Hard Seltzer Beverage Co. Boston, Massachusetts. Please drink responsibly. I can I do one quick baseball thing? Yep. Shout out Javi Baez. Because I'll say this right now, I think the Detroit Tigers are gonna win the al. I don't know if they can win the World Series. There's some good teams in the nl. Javi Baez has. He basically was a joke for the Tigers the last few years. There would always be these mashups of him striking out all the time. In the last 34 games, he's hitting.319, five home runs, 27 RBIs. Tonight he hit two home runs, including a walk off three run homer. I'm happy for my guy, Javi. It's like a complete. He was, you know, if you ask any Tiger fan, they did not like Javi Baez. And he's hopefully this sustains, but in the last month, it's like he's recaptured something and, and, and come back to the world as. As what the electrifying Javi Baez was.

[PFT]

Yeah, he's very fun to watch when he's playing well. When he's not playing well. It's very sad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. So I just, you know, is a. It's cool to see Javi doing well. Yeah. Yeah. What? No, I was saying Justin Turner had A walk off hit tonight, which was nice because he, he, he, we needed him to do something. Cubs, Cubs, Cubs. Cubs are our guy. Kyle Stowers, who, who we did an interview with a couple of the Marlins will release next week. He hit his eighth home run of this year. Dingers only league. He's on the prospect list.

[PFT]

He is for sure. Are the Cubs the kind of team that would, that would give an extension midseason?

[Big Cat]

They, they. Okay, so pft. There has been conflicting reports and one of the reports. So Jesse Rogers, who does a really good job locally in Chicago has reported they have not talked about an extension. David Kaplan, who also does a good job, who. I know, I know both these guys are very good guys. He said the Cubs are wrapping their head around what an extension would look like, which means they haven't done shit.

[PFT]

What does that mean?

[Big Cat]

I did nothing.

[PFT]

They own, they own a baseball team that's kind of like their only real job is to, is to wrap their heads around giving contracts.

[Big Cat]

I think it's Tom Ricketts literally looking in the mirror every morning being like, you can do this, dude. You have a lot of money. But then he doesn't do it. But no, I don't. I think, I think Kyle Tucker unfortunately will, will become a free agent and the Dodgers have already like put dibs on him, so that's going to suck.

[PFT]

Oh, that's, that's tough. Just do an extension mid season.

[Big Cat]

Just do it now. Like you. I, I do think there's something to be said when you're, when you're negotiating in all of sports, you can get a little bit of a discount doing an extension in season because that is money in hand. It's not going to be a big discount, but you can. And you're the only team that can negotiate with him. You will not have that ability once he's a free agent. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. The guy's fucking 28 years old. He's everything you want in, you know, like a superstar player. And he's all right. People are going to get at me for the superstar thing. Superstar is a little different in baseball. He's a very good, he's a very, very good baseball player. He's everything you want in a very, very good baseball player. Sign him right now.

[PFT]

I like that. I know you hate the superstar conversation, but now I'm thinking, how many superstars are there in baseball right now?

[Big Cat]

I think baseball superstars are just different because they aren't. There's no household names. Like, I don't do the same thing. Shohei is. Yeah, but I'm saying I don't do the same household name thing with the NBA. Like, there's like 20 superstar players in MLB. I know this makes no sense. People will say that I'm just changing the rules. I get it. I totally agree. It makes no sense in my head. But like, superstar in baseball, I just. I throw it around a lot more willy nilly, knowing that half of the guys no one will have heard of if they don't play in the market you live in.

[PFT]

I think you could say he's our superstar.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but I think.

[PFT]

I think with baseball, there's really. There's probably. There's probably fewer. There's probably like three superstars.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Show. What was that? Price Harper.

[PFT]

World series champion Bryce Harper. Oh, wait, no.

[Big Cat]

If we're talking about Shohei, Bryce Harper, Soto, Aaron Judge. That feels right. Kyle Tucker's a star, not a superstar. I've corrected myself. That feels good. Lindor in there. I don't think we're gonna throw Lindor in there.

[PFT]

No, let's not.

[Big Cat]

You already got one met in there. Let's not throw Lindor in there. On the Phillies last year, Schwarber. Maybe a Schwarber. By the way, could he be the mvp? Should we start that conversation?

[Hank]

He's playing well, just like.

[Big Cat]

And we listen. We don't have any bias here, but should we start that conversation?

[PFT]

We can have the conversation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Everyone says it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Mlb, like any writers listening right now. Have a vote. Start looking at Schwarber.

[Hank]

When you think about, like legendary MLB people and people, you know, household names, it's mostly like home run hitters.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's true.

[Big Cat]

Al Schwerber hits home runs. Okay. Should we kick it to ourselves? What everyone's waiting for?

[PFT]

Any hockey.

[Big Cat]

Well, we're gonna talk about it with all with Yans. But the stars won again.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We do get into an extended hockey talk with Yan. So we are going to talk hockey today.

[PFT]

The stars look great. And I found myself. I found myself during the game being like, good for Dallas fans, which I have to beat out of my system.

[Big Cat]

I have to be.

[PFT]

I have to beat that out of my system because they got the number.

[Big Cat]

One pick in both drafts in.

[PFT]

But yeah, listen, I originally I was thinking like, I will feel good for Dallas fans until football season starts whenever anything good happens to them, you know, because I did feel bad about the Luca thing. But now after you got the number one pick, I think they lose all the sympathy 100%.

[Big Cat]

They're they're. They're clean and even. They. It's over. Cooper Flag is. Is. Is going to be a star. It's clean and done. You're. You're good. You. You. Actually, I don't want to say you could make the case that you upgraded, but we don't know what Cooper Flag could be, but he is obviously younger and is in better shape than Luca. Like, there's a chance you could have upgraded. There's a chance you could have ended this season after the lottery's all said and done in a better spot than you were in January.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, we don't feel bad anymore. But, yeah, good for the stars. They're awesome. But, yeah, we're going to talk to Yan's. We have Pablo Torre, really fun interview with him. And let's kick it to ourselves in studio where we talk Celtics, Knicks and everything else that's going on before we get back in studio. Stella Blue, this weather's heating up, so stay cool with Stella Blue cold brew. Introducing our newest cold brew variety, Ms. Peaches blend. 100% Colombian, 100% delicious. And the best part, every purchase helps homeless pets find their forever homes. Make better, fresher cold brew at home in just three easy steps. Steep, refrigerate, enjoy. Grab Ms. Peaches now at Stella Blue coffee.com use promo code PMT for 20% off your orders of $25 or more. So 20% off of orders of $25 or more. Perfect. Promo code PMT. The cold brew is delicious. We're helping dogs. You can also find everything on Amazon. We have a whole shop set up. So Stella Blue, it is getting warm. It is cold brew season. You put the cold brew in your pitcher. You put the pitcher in the refrigerator. Boom. You have cold brew for the entire week. It couldn't be easier. Stella Blue cold brew, the Ms. Peaches blend. Go right now. Stel Blue Coffee. Use promo code PMT for 20% off orders of $25 or more. Okay. Knicks 121. Celtics 113. I was wrong.

[PFT]

Yeah, I mean, I thought that this was a 3:1 series to the Celtics.

[Big Cat]

I was way wrong.

[PFT]

And the Knicks came to play.

[Big Cat]

They came to play.

[PFT]

They are a tough team.

[Big Cat]

Jalen Brunson was awesome down the stretch and the whole game. He ended up with 39. The Knicks, like, half halftime, you're like, hey, man, this game is probably going to go the way that it's, you know, game three, when Celtics were up, Jason Tatum was on fire. But Jalen Brunson in The end. And they had the, they had. The Knicks finally had like the even scoring throughout where the like cat chipped in OG Mikhail Bridges. They all ended up with 20 plus and they now have a 31 lead. And I was very impressed with the Knicks resolve. Also Jalen Brunson like basically calling out the team and them answering that was, that was a leadership move. Like he, you know, people were like, oh man, he's calling him out after one loss. They're up to one. No, he called him out and they all stepped up to the plate and so did he. That's a leader.

[PFT]

And Cat was feeling spicy last night. So spicy. Did you see him after the game? He's. He has a move that I've never seen that he does. He goes in for a one armed hug and then puts his other arm out to the side like he's flying.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

When he does it, just everything the guy does.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I love watching him now. It was credit to the Knicks. They battled back. They seem to be in the same spot that they were down. But they are a second half team. They've proved that.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

You can't kill them. They never go away. How much do we put on the Knicks winning this game as opposed to the Celtics losing this game?

[Big Cat]

I think the Knicks won this game.

[PFT]

Because I think that the Knicks, the way they were playing in the second half, really the entire second half, they, they were the better team. Yeah, for two quarters.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And then the most important two quarters.

[Big Cat]

And it wasn't like the Celtics shot horrifically bad from three. They weren't great from three, but they were, you know, 37 and a half percent. That's not terrible. So, yeah, I think I was very, very impressed with the Knicks resolve. This team, the Garden was alive and I think that's pretty much the recap of the game. Hank.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Let's talk caps.

[PFT]

Yeah. He's learning.

[Big Cat]

You are learning. So what's up, Hank? How are we doing? The real story here is Jayson Tatum went down with an injury. The Knicks were probably going to win this game anyway.

[PFT]

I think at the time, the Knicks seemed to be the better team, but I mean, anything could have happened from that point on. But you can't put the injury, you can't blame the loss entirely on the injury.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he got injured with three minutes left. The Knicks on the injury took a nine point lead. The injury was tough because it was a little bit of the Jalen Brown turning the ball over thing that you. It's not his fault that Jason Tatum might have Torn his Achilles.

[PFT]

We don't.

[Big Cat]

We still don't have a report. I'm sure by the time people are listening, there'll be a report. What do you want to start with, Hank? You want to start with that being down 3. 1. You want to start with Tatum? What do you want to start with? You want to start with Max?

[Hank]

Max has nothing to do with this.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think he has something to do with this.

[Hank]

He's a scumbag. But it was a. It was. It was one of the worst nights as a sports fan in a long time.

[PFT]

Same.

[Hank]

It. We went from, you know, going into the game, even the first half, we were kind of dominating Derek White, couldn't miss. Felt like we were going to blow him out again. Road to Banner 19. And then within two hours, everything is in limbo. The. It. It feels like this version, like the championship team of the Celtics. We might never see play again.

[PFT]

Everything's in limbo.

[Big Cat]

What are you shaking your head, Max?

[Max]

I mean, unless Jason Tatum is okay, I think we can confirm you'll never see that team again.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so he's saying that he was shaking his head because you said might, and he's saying it. Yeah, it's guaranteed.

[PFT]

Hank, earlier today, when he says everything, he means everything. Like, he was questioning the entire team. He's like, I don't know if they like Joe Missoula.

[Hank]

I didn't say that.

[Big Cat]

He didn't say that.

[PFT]

Okay, what'd you say?

[Hank]

I just said every. Like, obviously, the. The luxury. It's more the luxury tax. We knew going into the. The playoffs, like, they were going to have to move people around with the luxury tax. There's. I. I'm. I think the Celtics organization loves Joe Missoula. I'm not worried about that. There's, you know, Celtics fans that are throwing that out there. I don't agree with that at all. I don't think the Celtics organization agrees with that at all. Where I'm at right now is. Is just we have to win this series. Like, the. The series. Yes, we can win the series. We have a bunch of champions on this team. We still have the Eastern Conference finals mvp. We have the finals MVP ready to go. We've been up big in all, you know, four games of this series, so I still think we can win the series. And the off season looks bleak, especially depending on what the injury is. Who knows? Might just be a severely rolled ankle. We'll probably know by the time this podcast comes out, but I am just in complete, like, procrastination. Push off all the problems until the off season. So the longer we can go with this season, that's where my. My mentals are at, is like just. Just fight, win the series, shut these stupid Knicks fans up. And then, you know, I think we could. I think the team. I still think we could win the championship, but that's where I'm at, is just make it as far along in the season as we can. Because once the off season comes, a lot of things are going to change. And that's very sad.

[PFT]

Just got to win one game, not just like one game at a time.

[Hank]

Yep.

[PFT]

So gay. This is a very important game and you're going to be there in person for it.

[Hank]

I will be there in person.

[PFT]

I need you to turn the series around.

[Hank]

I'm going to do my best.

[Big Cat]

Did you. I threw out a spin zone to you earlier this morning. You did not seem to.

[Hank]

I don't even remember what you said.

[Big Cat]

Okay. What I told. What I told Hank. And I actually think this is how you should be thinking. The reporting up until this point was that the Celtics and just looking at the luxury tax, the Celtics were going to have to make some changes this off season. Right? Like, they're going to probably have to trade. There's been talks about trading Jalen Brown. There's been talks about, you know, I don't know how much left Drew Holiday has on his contract, but, like, there's going to. This Celtics, the team that won last year is not going to be the team that starts the season next year. And it was going to be hard decisions. If Jason Tatum tours Achilles, those decisions become a little bit easier. Where it's like, hey, this is. We've lost a year, but this is where the hard reset happens. Get under the luxury tax. It's almost like the painfulness of breaking up a potentially championship team is not even going to be there because the championship team's not going to be there because Jason Tatum won't be playing for.

[Hank]

You year unless we win the championship.

[PFT]

That's going to be a ch. You got to keep.

[Big Cat]

Not like, it almost took the whole. Like, how could you trade this guy? How could you trade this guy out of it? Because it's like, if this next year is lost, it's going to be a hard.

[Hank]

I'm not thinking about next year. I'm not thinking about the off season. We still are in the playoffs. We're in a playoff series. We gotta. We gotta fight. We can't. You can't think about the offseason still in the Playoffs.

[PFT]

You can win.

[Hank]

We can.

[PFT]

You can beat the Knicks without Jason Taylor.

[Hank]

Yes, we can.

[PFT]

Do you feel a little bit bad about provoking the Garden?

[Hank]

No.

[PFT]

You did kind of poke the Garden, though.

[Big Cat]

You did poke the Garden.

[Max]

Do you feel a little bit bad about this entire playoff?

[Pablo Torre]

Just saying.

[Max]

You don't feel bad about that at all?

[Hank]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

Saying what?

[Max]

Saying that it was a foregone conclusion that they were in the Finals. If anyone else.

[PFT]

I want to be fair to Hank, though, because I've heard Hank say, like, six times.

[Hank]

I still.

[PFT]

He always. He always says barring injury.

[Big Cat]

True.

[PFT]

He has said that a lot.

[Max]

Did he say that on this past episode? Because I don't believe.

[Big Cat]

I don't think.

[PFT]

I forget when he said.

[Max]

I remember he said that at the beginning of the.

[Hank]

I've been saying that.

[Max]

Regardless, he's been saying he'll be down.

[PFT]

3 almost too much. Where I. I've been like, why do you keep almost wishing injury on yourself?

[Max]

Let's also make that abundantly clear. The Celtics lost that game before Jason Tatum.

[PFT]

Yeah, that's. We said that.

[Max]

But, like, barring injury, they still would be down 3. 1.

[Big Cat]

3, 1. Correct. I'd agree with that.

[Hank]

Think we don't. We'll never know that.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right.

[PFT]

We did make that abundantly clear, though, Max.

[Max]

But I just wanted to make sure.

[PFT]

It's abundant or now.

[Max]

I just wanted to make sure.

[Big Cat]

So it does suck that Jason Tatum, like, got hurt. He's 27 years old. It's Achilles injury. That's going to be a year out. Maybe. But it sucks. It sucks for him. It sucks for us, because Jason Tatum was one of my favorite guys who, like, by all accounts, great teammate, great father, you know, great player. It was fun to me. It was. Well, it was fun to make fun of him for the trivial things.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, you know, like, when someone gets hurt who you don't actually hate, you just like to, you know, poke your friends about the trivial things. It's like, damn. Well, I didn't want that to happen to that guy. We were just kind of joking about the whole aura thing. Like, that's a who. What does or even mean?

[PFT]

So now I've.

[Big Cat]

Now, by the way, I was. If anyone saw Timothy Chalamet without the Timberlands laced up.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Do I know her or do I know her? Hank. Hank, admit Timothy Chalamet with Kylie Jenner looking so hot. Bonk me. Timberland's not laced up hat, aura.

[Hank]

Yeah. I would say Stefan Diggs was right next to him, also wearing Timberland's not lace up. He looked even better.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so. All right, so you agree with that. So.

[PFT]

So nobody's ever said that Stefan Diggs does not have.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

If anything has too much or.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, way too much. Will you take back your comment saying like, how can be the one fashion police and aura judge when I was spot on? Sure. Okay. Thank you.

[Hank]

Whatever.

[PFT]

Do you remember like a couple days ago when we were talking about high tops on this show?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And I told you about the study. That's. If you wear high top shoes, you're actually more likely to get an ankle injury. That's what laced up tims do. If you tie your. Your timbs up tight, it makes you more likely to have an ankle injury. Just something to think about, Hank.

[Hank]

I hope it's an ankle injury, so I hope you're right about that.

[PFT]

Just something to think about.

[Big Cat]

Do you think. Do you want to say anything about our gracious friend Jerry o' Connell who retired?

[Hank]

Yeah. He's a flip flopping.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Because he unretired.

[Big Cat]

He did unretire.

[Hank]

He got borrowed by the Internet. So he said no backbone out of respect. Where is he? Where's he gonna come on?

[Big Cat]

He's actually not. Did you want him to come on?

[Hank]

No.

[PFT]

Tom Brady retired and then unretired.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He said out of respect for stool. Present day, Henny's in the celtics and especially Jason Tatum. Mr. Bing Bong will be taking a break for the remainder of this series. Appreciate all you all do. Bing bong. And then he, an hour or no four hours later, said after some thought, if the Celtics win game five tomorrow, Mr. Bing Bong will. Will be back.

[Hank]

Flip flopper.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so also shout out Jerry, who sent me and pft some very funny voice messages that all of them said, not for air. All cats.

[PFT]

We'll just say that Jerry, he's unveiled a new character. It's a private character that only me and big cat get to see. It's. It's not Mr. Bing Bong anymore. It's Dr. Bing Bong.

[Big Cat]

Dr. Bing Bong.

[PFT]

Dr.— Bing. Diagnosis was making some. Some great points last night in the.

[Big Cat]

Side chat till like midnight I was laying in bed and Dr. Bing Bong had another report.

[PFT]

Hank, I. I am a little bit worried about you, though, because last night you said you weren't feeling good, and so I just wanted to make sure that you were feeling okay today, health wise.

[Hank]

Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get off the couch last night.

[PFT]

Yeah. So I was willing to tape an emergency pod. It felt like it felt Like a time when we should have done emergency pot, if we ever do it. Last night would have been a great time because so much stuff happened. I'd even taken it edible, but I was ready to lock it in. Try to focus. Hank wasn't feeling good, unfortunately.

[Hank]

I would have done it.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, hold on. I threw out the idea to do an emergency pod right after all of it happened, and I got no response. And then two hours went by, and. And then it was like, oh, should we. It was like, well, the moment kind of is gone. They wanted it right away. I was the first one to say emergency.

[Hank]

I was down.

[Big Cat]

You said you were sick.

[Hank]

I was still down.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I don't know if you did say you were down.

[PFT]

You say sick or down.

[Big Cat]

I don't think you ever did say you were down.

[Hank]

I didn't say I was down, but I. If you had asked me, like, can we do this? I would have said yes. I would have showed. I would have answered the bell.

[PFT]

Were you down or were you sick? Were you down with the sickness?

[Hank]

I was sick to my stomach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I didn't know what the illness was, but it was just. I just had a. I was just sick. I have to kill sick.

[Big Cat]

You never said you were down. I said, but if you said, we're emergency pod. And then an hour after that, PFD said, for the record, I'd be willing to do one. And then you still never replied.

[Hank]

But because you said, I'm in bed.

[Big Cat]

Well, that was tomorrow at 11 o' clock.

[Hank]

If you said, we're doing it, I would have said yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Thank you, Hank. Thank you. Would have said yes. Okay, so I have to confess. Me and Big Cat did hit the side chat real quick because neither one of us wanted to jump into the main chat after the Jason tape. We want to give you some space because obviously it's a traumatic thing that you're dealing with, and we weren't saying anything mean. But what I did say was that you have to admit it would be very, very funny if the Celtics went on to win the championship without Tatum, and then we could just continue to clown on Tatum in the future.

[Hank]

I'm fine with that.

[Big Cat]

Well, I. Then I. I was like, pft, good point. But there'd be a funnier one, and that would be the Celtics getting to game seven and then Tatum miraculously coming back and then losing game seven in the finals.

[Hank]

I just. I would love. I just want to beat New York. That's really where my mind, one game at a time, beat New York, one.

[PFT]

Game at a time. I do feel like, Hank, my future is tied to your future, because I. I think there's no chance that the Caps win game five if you don't win your Game five.

[Hank]

So it's one game.

[PFT]

I think the series are going to go the exact same way.

[Big Cat]

Hank, do you have anything to say to Max? Because, Matt. Well, Max, you take the floor. You. The. The. The debate that has raged across the country and Bead versus Tatum took a interesting turn last night.

[Max]

Tatum looked phenomenal.

[Big Cat]

He looked incredible.

[Max]

I was, like, ready to. I mean, I'm. He looked really good. He looked like a superstar last night. And from experience, I know that it. It sucks when. When your superstar player goes down and it looks like they're out for a year. But I can help you. I can, like, tell you how to maneuver this situation. Yeah, I've been there before.

[PFT]

I think that'd be helpful.

[Big Cat]

It'd be really nice. Okay. Can you help him?

[Max]

I'm asking you, do you want. Are. Would you like to receive my help?

[Big Cat]

Yes. Sure.

[Max]

So this is how. This is how you do it. You got to just put your headphones back.

[Big Cat]

He took off the headphones.

[PFT]

You don't get to say sure. He's your friend, is trying to help you.

[Max]

When you have this situation. You. You turn lemons into lemonade, right?

[Hank]

Yeah. You beat the Knicks. No, no, no, no, no.

[Max]

We're done. We're done with the Knicks. Oh, no, we're done.

[PFT]

We're done. We're done with the Knicks.

[Max]

But again, if the Knicks. If the Celtics do end up winning, whatever, we.

[PFT]

We're done with the Knicks.

[Pablo Torre]

We'll.

[Max]

We'll cross that bridge when we. When we get there. You can use this opportunity to get.

[Big Cat]

A good pick, Right? That's what I told them. It's a hard reset if you look.

[Max]

If you look at the past of the Sixers, when Joel Embiid gets hurt, since Joel Embiid and Jason Tatum are looking like similar players in this moment of their careers, you can. You can take years off.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what's the eye roll? What's the eye roll?

[Hank]

Jason Tatum is a champion, right?

[PFT]

But that's a team award.

[Big Cat]

Next year, both of their statuses are up.

[Max]

Well, like, MB didn't play this year. Tatum's not going to play next year. It's, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. I. I hope that he comes back. I want that. I want that on the record. I hope that he comes back.

[Big Cat]

I don't want that. I don't root for any Injuries.

[Max]

No.

[Hank]

And.

[Max]

And he looked so good last night, and people were so mad that I tweeted that he looked good last night.

[PFT]

He did.

[Max]

People were so.

[PFT]

He was the best player on the floor.

[Max]

He.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Max]

Well, let's not.

[PFT]

He was.

[Max]

Jalen Brunson was on the floor.

[PFT]

I think Jalen Brunson was on the floor. Tatum was the best player on the floor. Last.

[Max]

That's another question. Why don't we talk about Jalen Brunson being a superstar?

[Big Cat]

We were doing.

[PFT]

I think we've talked about that a lot. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I think that if they go to the finals, that will. It will be. We'll get close.

[Max]

I mean, he was incredible last night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was. He was insane.

[Max]

But if you ever want to talk, I'm here for you. I've been in your situation and beat Tatum. Very similar players. You know, sometimes you just got to take a year off and reassess as.

[PFT]

A franchise and hope the lottery ball.

[Max]

Works out and then. Hope the lottery ball works out. You could have a top three pick next year. Think about it. Think about that.

[Hank]

No, we're. We're. I'm not thinking about the off season. I'm not thinking about next year. I'm focused on the Knicks.

[Big Cat]

Focus on the Knicks. So if you lose on Wednesday night with you on the wood, you'll then be ready to address these things.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's not gonna happen, though.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I actually do think the Celtics.

[Max]

Oh, Celtics are for sure gonna win game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, for sure. So, Hank. What. I mean, it sucks if you lose a guy in the prime of his career for a year. That's. I mean, kd, that happened to him. Like, that's. He came back. He was okay.

[Hank]

Colby came back. There are some bad studies about Achilles injuries and, like.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. Have you been reading?

[Pablo Torre]

Don't look at the.

[Hank]

Don't look at the bad ones.

[Big Cat]

Just don't look at the bad studies.

[Max]

Dude, Tatum's young.

[Big Cat]

That. That.

[Max]

Actually, this is, like, Tatum is young enough that, like, he'll come. He'll miss a year, come back and still be under 30. Like, you can't say that about a lot of these injuries.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It is crazy, though, because it just shows how, like, fleeting sports are where it's, like, the window is open, but then it could just jam shut and, like, in the blink of an eye.

[Hank]

Yeah. I mean, like, there's not. The Derek Rose one is similar. Like, there's not. Not a lot of. I mean, Aaron Rodgers, but that was the beginning of the year, and a new team like the, you know, franchise. If there's not a franchise. Future probability. But it's like the. We went from, you know, things looking towards a championship to, like I said, it's like everything. If you were worried about the off season, which I'm not, but when that time comes, everything's up in the air.

[Big Cat]

And it just changes everything, like in a blink of an eye. And you're like, what the. I thought it was going to go this way, and it went a completely different way.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

The good news is you've got a really good team. You still have a lot of good players.

[Pablo Torre]

Right.

[PFT]

Guy for guy. You've got some good players.

[Big Cat]

Really good players.

[Hank]

Agreed.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

I think we're going to beat the Knicks. Are you mad? We can beat the Pacers.

[Big Cat]

Are you mad at anyone?

[Hank]

No.

[PFT]

No one.

[Big Cat]

No one.

[PFT]

No matter God.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Have you spoke to God?

[Hank]

I haven't. I'm wearing a fight.

[Big Cat]

We released the graphic. Hank and God currently in a fight. It's complicated friendship. Stat their status update.

[PFT]

Are you ghost complicated? Are you ghosting God?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Do you.

[Big Cat]

You're like, we're. I. I feel like people were pretty respectful online last night because it's like Jason Tatum again. He's like. We make jokes about the aura, but that's such a trivial thing. He's a great player, and it sucks to see a great player go down.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Were there any scumbags out there?

[Hank]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's New York fans. The biggest scumbag.

[PFT]

I saw some. Some Nick fans that had some very classy takes, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

The first person that I saw that with a take on it was Stephen Che, who was all class, saying, as a Knicks fan, you hate to see an injury like this.

[Big Cat]

This. Yeah.

[PFT]

So I think the. The loudest voices were actually the good ones this time, so that was nice to see.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. I mean, there's no one to really be mad about. It's. It's a freak injury. It's a bad injury. Non contact. He's missed one playoff game in his career. He's, you know, Mr. Durability. And to. To go out like this is. Is tough, but it's. It's still a team game. We're still in the series. Got to win game five. Got to win game six. Got to win game seven.

[PFT]

Chase says, as a Knicks fan, I hope Jason Tatum isn't really hurt. He's. He's having an incredible game, and I want to. What does that say? I want to win this series against a healthy Celtics team.

[Max]

And Then he also went on to say, I think Jason Tatum injured his Achilles here. Dr. Bing Ball, hopefully not torn, but that was a hot take from Stephen Chase.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, he did it like an hour after.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Are you mad at Rick Pacino?

[Hank]

Yeah. I mean, the Rick Patino that was. That was. I might have lashed out there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's a recurring guest.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's a recurring guest, but he was a fucking Celtics coach, and he tweeted after the game like, there's nothing better than being in the Garden with Knicks fans and watching the Knicks win disgusted me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, he's recruiting. The Garden is where he plays a lot of home games. He's trying to pump up the Garden.

[Hank]

Yeah. But, yeah, I tweeted, fuck this guy. I was mad. I was in a tough. I was. I was sick. That was a sick tweet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was a sick tweet.

[PFT]

You never want to tell people to.

[Big Cat]

What would your. What would your take be right now if Tatum didn't get injured? You're down 3:1.

[Hank]

Well, we might not be down 3:1.

[Big Cat]

Well, okay, let's just. Let's pretend that if we had lost.

[Hank]

That game, I would just say it's. It's. Load up, load up. The clip. Get the Uzis ready. Grenades. What? Celtics and seven. We've.

[Big Cat]

We've.

[Hank]

We've kind of dominated the series.

[PFT]

Okay. All right, Here we go.

[Hank]

We're still the better team. We're still the better team. We're still the better team.

[PFT]

I love it.

[Hank]

I would still like our chances. I still like our chances. You've dominated, so we've kind of dominated.

[Big Cat]

Oh, sweetie pie.

[Hank]

But, yeah, Jason Tatum wasn't hurt. I'd feel great about this series.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Regardless of what the score was, you.

[PFT]

Guys have been owning the Knicks, and it hasn't been close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Knicks are. They're playing. I was very.

[Hank]

I. Jalen Bronze is a stud.

[Big Cat]

I thought the Knicks were.

[Hank]

Were Kale Bridges a stud?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're both.

[Hank]

He just hit a 10 trillion, like, eight footers.

[Big Cat]

I. I thought the Knicks were going to be dead and. Yeah. Very wrong. Last question for you. At any point last night, did you think of Max and be like, I hate his guts?

[Hank]

No, I don't think about Max.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I feel like that might be a lie.

[PFT]

I don't know. I can see that when something like.

[Hank]

Well, yeah, you guys were reveling in injuries.

[Max]

I didn't say anything.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no, no. That did not happen.

[PFT]

When something like this happens. I understand that. Hank. You. You have to go into a hole. You have to. You have to retreat into your own hole. I've done this before and just block every. Everything's sad, everything sucks. If you have a superstar that gets hurt, it's not a good place to be in. We tried to respect your boundaries last night.

[Hank]

No, you didn't. You kept adding me back to the group text.

[PFT]

I did, but that's just because we're. We're a team.

[Big Cat]

I said, did you guys see Chalamet at the game? Max said, aura. You left the conversation. That had nothing to do with. With Tatum at all.

[Max]

No, it did, because, remember, Tatum were.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I guess the aura part, but I was just commenting about Chalamet.

[Hank]

Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want to. I don't want to be in that conversation anymore, so I left.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

And you didn't respect that?

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, we have. We plan stuff on the show and stuff like that. We need you here. Like, what if you miss an important text?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

I think Celtics are going to win this series.

[Big Cat]

I think they're win game five.

[PFT]

I think.

[Big Cat]

I don't know about. I don't know about game six.

[PFT]

I think Joe Missoula is going to get Joe Missoula locked in. Right.

[Big Cat]

There you go.

[Pablo Torre]

Hank fired up.

[PFT]

Joe Missoula is going to be watching. He's going to watch Troy. He's going to put Troy on nonstop and be like, this is how you respond from an Achilles injury.

[Max]

Remember when they came back 32 against the Sixers?

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Think about. Think about Hank. Close your eyes and think about the moment that you're on the Wood on Wednesday night, and Joe Missoula locks eyes with you and gives you a little nod, being like, it's fucking on.

[Max]

He's gonna come right up to you, be like, we're Win this whole fucking thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And you're gonna come.

[Max]

Come.

[Big Cat]

You are everywhere.

[PFT]

For you, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Not for me. It's for. For the city. Believe in Boston.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's mentality means you are a Knicks fan.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Congrats.

[PFT]

This is. This is an incredible podcast.

[Big Cat]

Are you enjoying yourself?

[PFT]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

What. Do you have anything to say about the game or Hank or anything?

[PFT]

I just love Jalen Bronson, Mikhail Bridges, and og.

[Big Cat]

Okay. And would you. If you could magically heal Jason Tatum, would you do it?

[PFT]

Yes, absolutely.

[Big Cat]

That's huge.

[PFT]

What do you think about Hank's claim that the. The Celtics are dominating the series?

[Hank]

Kind of.

[Big Cat]

I said, sure.

[Eddie]

Still 3:1.

[PFT]

But whatever. Whatever floats your boat.

[Big Cat]

Doesn't Matter.

[PFT]

You were so happy Sunday. That's mean.

[Hank]

That's. I just want.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Eddie]

I'm so happy.

[Hank]

I just want to beat Memes.

[PFT]

I just want that happy guy around.

[Big Cat]

You are so happy.

[Max]

I feel like Memes hasn't even said anything to you.

[Hank]

I don't care.

[Big Cat]

But it's. It's the thought of things.

[Max]

He's could say Memes is the idea of me.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Right.

[Pablo Torre]

He knows me.

[Max]

What Memes is thinking.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Max]

That's what. Hank.

[Big Cat]

That's why I thought maybe he was mad at you, Max, because he knew what you were thinking.

[Max]

Last night, I had some thoughts.

[Big Cat]

You share a couple. It.

[Max]

I hate it. Does. It truly, truly does suck that Jason Tatum got hurt. I'm not. I'm not kidding when I say that it would. It was fun to watch. It was fun. It was a fun narrative. But it was really tough that for the past week, I've had a million people say that he's Iron man and that he's never missed a game. And then that that's why he's so much better than Embiid. And then literally three days later, done. Same thing that happens when beat. Injuries happen.

[Big Cat]

Injuries do happen, Hank.

[Hank]

It's. It's true. There's not. Can't really defend that.

[PFT]

That's.

[Hank]

He's not wrong.

[PFT]

Do I get any thoughts and prayers for cashing out of my Knicks future? Like, I feel like last night. That was. That was a bad night for me last night, right? Yeah, really bad. I didn't leave the group chat, though.

[Big Cat]

Although that's kind of the. The cash out. I would give you more thoughts and prayers because I already used my one thought thought in prayer for the Caps and the Wizards. You. You only dated that future for a day.

[PFT]

It was. I think it was two.

[Big Cat]

If you've been. If you had been married to that future for a couple months, I would have been like, oh, my God. Pfd. I feel so bad. You barely. You. You had a one night stand with.

[PFT]

It was hot and heavy for a couple days. It was a one night stand with a great morning after. And then. Yeah. You just were like, I had to get out of town here.

[Big Cat]

What? You were like, watch a magic trick. Here's how I can automatically lose 10 of my money.

[PFT]

Yeah. But today I did. It was one of those cash outs where you feel awesome about cashing out of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like, that's a smart choice for the future. Turns out it wasn't. So. Yeah, last night, I mean, I. I was a victim too, so. I get it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And I was a victim, too, because, like I said, I like, harmlessly joking about Jason Tatum's aura was fun, and it's gone now.

[PFT]

We can't do it.

[Max]

The whole debate was fun.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It was a fun.

[PFT]

It was a good debate, and it was. It was early pressure. Yeah, Max, it was. It was you looking into the future and truly understanding the pulse of the NBA. Yeah.

[Max]

People are so. I, like, I tweeted, tatum looks really good tonight, because I was just preparing to, like, have to eat my word. I mean, I was preparing for this. For this episode. And then a bunch of Celtics fans saw that tweet and thought that I tweeted it after he got hurt. And then I was getting.

[PFT]

Check the time stamps.

[Max]

And then I was getting.

[Big Cat]

Well, similar one that I muted. That was just like, Tatum is on fire or arising.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, maybe 20 minutes before the injury.

[Max]

And then. And then the other moment was everyone was just like, this is your fault.

[PFT]

You.

[Max]

You put his. His embiid stink. You put your embiid stink on Tatum.

[PFT]

Now you did do that. That's a fair.

[Big Cat]

I understand.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And also, I understand that, like, when an injury like that happens, fans got to find a place.

[Max]

You got to blame someone.

[Big Cat]

You got to go somewhere. Yeah.

[PFT]

I saw one thing that was being blamed, and I agree with it. We could do with less of the cameras in the tunnels when guys are on wheelchairs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And they're crying. I don't.

[Big Cat]

I didn't need to see Tatum, like, in, like, probably not only a painful moment, but like, a moment where he's realizing his next season might be done.

[PFT]

Right.

[Big Cat]

I feel bad for the guy.

[PFT]

He was. He was having a moment where the world was crashing in on him.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

We don't need to see that. Like, have. Have a little bit of respect for the guy at that point, because there is.

[Big Cat]

Obviously, I can't relate at all to a professional athlete in terms of injuries, but anyone who's been injured in anything knows that it's like, the injury happens. There's the immediate, Ow. It's pain. And then the moment of, like, shit, I'm going to be injured for a while now. That's like. It's devastating.

[PFT]

Yeah. Thinking about what the injury means for your future.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

It's. It's a. It's a crisis that you go through. I didn't want to see that. I didn't want to see him crying and all that.

[Big Cat]

I agree. So we hope Jason Tatum gets. Hopefully we get good news, because I do not want to see him injured.

[PFT]

I want to see Jason Tatum come back maybe more than anybody in this podcast so that we can make fun of him.

[Big Cat]

Right. Oh, if it was just an ankle roll. Imagine that.

[Hank]

Hank, I would love that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, because you would eat all those jokes.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

Like when Trevor Lawrence, remember when he maybe just embarrassed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like you're fine. And he's just embarrassed that he was.

[Big Cat]

Crying like Ricky Bobby Fake on fire.

[PFT]

It might be in his head.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

That'd be great.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Wolves, Warriors. This series feels over.

[Hank]

I don't know how. There's no report though. That makes no sense to me.

[Big Cat]

Well, keep your, keep, keep looking. We'll get one.

[PFT]

It might be fine.

[Big Cat]

The Wolves warriors game. The warriors had elite at halftime. Again, they just do not have enough offense.

[PFT]

They just, they just run out of stuff. They run out of ideas. Their ideas work great. Four and a half and then they, yeah, they, they can't rely on mucking it up and getting mid range and all this stuff. They can't. Four quarters is too much for them to do that.

[Big Cat]

And Jimmy Butler, they're fighting though Jimmy Butler, who I think was under the weather going into the game. It was very clear. The Wolves were like, all right defensively. If we just pack the and don't let Jimmy Butler score on floaters and drives the basket and make him pass the ball out to the three point line, they can't beat us. And that proved out to be true because they couldn't really hit shots from three. And Anthony Edwards was awesome again and Julius Randle was awesome again. These two like together, I mean, we're wooing. We're wooing.

[PFT]

Yeah, listen, I woo. They're a very, very fun team. And then with McDaniels just cleaning up the glass, just eating glass all day. Yeah, they, they are going to be very, very tough to beat. I don't see the, I don't think the warriors can beat them without Steph. Not even a single game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I wish, I wish we had Steph in this series because it would be a lot more fun. And I mean the warriors are keeping these games relatively at the end of the game, again, they almost covered again in a crazy fashion. So like it looks like it was a seven point game. It really wasn't in the SEC in the second half because the Wolves just jumped right all over him in the third quarter. But yeah, I, I, I'm impressed with, with the Timberwolves. I think they're a very good team. I just wish we could see Steph similar to Jason Tatum. You just don't want to see really good guys get hurt.

[PFT]

I'm impressed with Kaminga, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Maybe Fool's Gold.

[PFT]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. He's. He's a weird one because he's. He has really good games and he has bad games, but he also has. He's one of those guys. I think he's in his fourth year where he's been like, in and out of the doghouse. So it's like, how much is it his confidence and. I don't know. I can't figure out.

[PFT]

He was pretty efficient, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I was like, it sounds like he has.

[PFT]

Trying to get out of the doghouse and then trying to, like, shoot his way out and be like, I'm going to get my points.

[Big Cat]

Well, he's. He. The doghouse is irrelevant now because he has to play.

[PFT]

You can't afford to have a dog.

[Big Cat]

Right? Right. I'm saying, like, in the course of his career, he's had a very up and down, like one. One step forward, two steps back kind of feel, but maybe this is. Maybe this is where he fully steps forward is like, oh, yeah, he can be a real option for them.

[PFT]

How many guys did they play last night? Let's see. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

[Big Cat]

I think 14.

[PFT]

10. Yeah. Yeah, 14 guys. Yeah, 14 guys. Saw the court.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They're trying everything. And the. And the Wolves are down to their eight, eight man rotation. That works. And yeah, Wolves are really good. All right. Pft. You are down. Hank, are you still with us? You're just looking for Tatum updates, are you.

[PFT]

He's locked in on the Caps.

[Big Cat]

You want to talk with the Caps?

[Hank]

Yeah. They suck. Their offense is terrible.

[PFT]

It's fair. These are fair points.

[Big Cat]

They're down three one.

[PFT]

Down three one. We talk about it in. In a little bit more depth with Yandel, but it's been no fun to watch this series at all. And it's a compliment to the Hurricanes. They just, they. They have a way of. Of sucking the soul out of you. And you play hockey where you just can't get into the zone. That's the most frustrating part of watching a team that should be good on offense not even being able to get the ball or the puck into their zone. Yeah, it is. It's. It's hard to watch. It's very frustrating. They're getting more chances on. On our power plays than we are. Their shorthanded opportunities are better than ours. So it's looked. It's looked pretty Bad. Yesterday was one of the worst days in Washington sports that you could ever draw up. Yeah, it was really, really bad. Dropping to six with the Wizards in the, in the draft. And then. And then the Caps going out there and just doing nothing for two periods. The Caps just need to score first. That's, that's, that's my theory is just take advantage of the early game opportunities. Put a puck in the net, not a ball. Put a puck in the net and then see how the game goes from there. Because you can't play from behind against the Hurricanes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We should talk about the lottery. So crazy. The Mavs win the lottery. 1.8% chance to win the lottery of. It was a coin flip with the Bulls, so they had the same record. The coin flip, The Mavs get 1.8, the Bulls get 1.7. Now, I don't think I saw some people being like that was. If. If Boozeless doesn't hit the buzzer beater against the Lakers, the Bulls get the number one pick. I'm going to say the Mavs were getting the number one pick no matter what.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's not how it works. Like, they had a point one percent better chance of getting the overall number one pick than you did. But because they won the coin toss.

[Big Cat]

Their numbers would have been our numbers. Maybe.

[PFT]

I don't know how. I don't know if you, like, swap numbers at that point.

[Big Cat]

So we probably swap one.

[PFT]

They probably get one extra number.

[Big Cat]

Right. So we were. Yeah, true. Good point. That makes me feel better.

[PFT]

Yeah. So it's not like that.

[Big Cat]

Really good.

[PFT]

That determined everything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point. The. So we. We got credentialed and we were at the lottery. We might have. We might have gotten got.

[PFT]

We're suckers.

[Big Cat]

We're suckers.

[PFT]

So I'm a sucker.

[Big Cat]

So shout out to the NBA. Very nice of them. They let us get credentialed, which we don't get credentialed for anything.

[Hank]

Well, you guys wanted to get credential. That's the only thing I'll say. You guys are saying you got used. But no, we didn't get used to.

[Big Cat]

We are suckers because we went. We wanted to go. We got dressed up. There's a video coming out. I had to leave early because it was my son's birthday. But PFT and Max stayed for the actual lottery, like reveal. But we got there dressed like idiots in suits. Credentials, which, like, we are. We are. We're six year olds. They hand us a fucking picture of Ourselves on a laminated card with a lanyard on. And we all like, holy, this is cool. And I'm just walking around. Look at this credential.

[PFT]

Hit the buffet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Did the whole thing. Did the behind the scenes tour. That made us feel special going into the room. So the way the. The draft lottery works out is there's. There's two rooms for everything. One room is where the real happens, and that's where they have all the numbers up on the wall. That's where the guy from Ernst and Young is supervising everything. That's where they do the drawing. And then after they do the drawing, they. They take the results in, like, a briefcase and they bring it out to the main room where they announce it to the world. So everybody that is supervising the draft lottery as it actually happens in the real secret room, they get their cell phones taken away. It's like a conclave.

[Big Cat]

They get locked in there.

[PFT]

They're electing the Pope.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And they don't get their cell phones back until after it's been broadcast to the world. And then they take the results out. And that's where you see Hakeem Olajuwon. That's where you see Bub Carrington. That's where you see Jared McCain representing their teams is when they make that announcement after it's already happened. And we got the tour behind the scenes. We saw the official lottery ball machine that they have.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Which I wanted to buy it.

[PFT]

I told Max this, but when you looked at that, my first thought was, I would love to smoke out of this thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You could turn that into a sick ass bong. I want to blaze up out of there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yep. Thanks. And being behind the scenes, we. We talked to them for a little bit. We started to make some jokes. I took out 80 in my pocket. I was like, I got 80 bucks if you rig it for the Wizards.

[Big Cat]

I took out a lot.

[PFT]

And then. And then big cat opened up his wallet, took out some money, too. And they were like, okay, guys, time for. Time for you all to go. You behaved yourself for a little bit. Then we hit the buffet, which was underwhelming, to say the least. And we had a very interesting conversation before the actual lottery itself. I think he was head of PR for the NBA. Really nice guy. Really nice guy came out and talked to us and explained to us the history of why the media is now welcome at the draft lottery. Because he used to see it behind the scenes. And then he was like, man, we got to get the media out here, because if they really saw how this is done. They would know that it was impossible to rig this thing.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

It's unriggable. And he was laying it on thick. He was doing a lot of unriggable talk.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

To us.

[Big Cat]

And we were eating it up.

[Max]

I still am eating it up.

[Big Cat]

Oh, we were.

[PFT]

Shut the up.

[Big Cat]

Eating it up.

[Max]

I'm still like.

[Big Cat]

And then how the way this.

[Max]

Like, how could. How could you possibly. How could you do that? How could you rig it?

[PFT]

It's rigged.

[Max]

I don't think it's rigged. I, I, I believe what that. I believe what that guy eat the.

[Big Cat]

Most at the buffet.

[PFT]

It was the buffet.

[Pablo Torre]

I ate 0 of the buffet.

[Max]

PFD ate the most of the.

[Big Cat]

We did. It was funny because then afterwards, when the Mavs get the first pick, I texted the guys is like, did we did. Why were we there again? And then like, oh, yeah, we asked to be there. I know. But then they had us talking about how unriggable it is, and they gave us food and a lanyard and everything.

[Max]

I'm sure they get pissed off that that everyone says that it's rigged.

[PFT]

I'm sure they're very happy with the outcome of the draft.

[Max]

Correct. But I'm sure that it get that it does get annoying if they put in all of this work for it not to be rigged, and then everyone just says this is rigged.

[PFT]

Well, then they should rig it to make it not rigged. They should rig it so the worst teams get it.

[Big Cat]

Here's what. They're just upset because you didn't get it, obviously. Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah, obviously I have. Well, I thought about this last night because it sucked at the Wizards. Really what was on the line for me. I had a 14 chance of becoming a Wizards fan last night, and. And I. The numbers did not hit, and I was excited about rooting for the Wizards again. So now it's back to the drawing board for me. But then I thought, you know, I got enough on my plate. I don't need to worry about the Wizards. It's. It's just as Forrest Gump would say. Good. That's one less thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So I'm. I'm okay with it. Back to not caring about the whiz for me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But it was. It's crazy. I'm. I'm in one part happy for Mavs fans because they have gone through hell, and Mavs fans did not trade Luca. Yeah, it got, you know, so Mavs fans, I'm pumped for it. They actually deserve it. It Nico Harrison, that fuck does not deserve it unless it's rigged. And he worked out a deal with the NBA, which you could tell me that you could convince me.

[Max]

Not rigged.

[Big Cat]

I'd buy that.

[PFT]

GM of the year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. GM of the year. He just knew how this was all going to play out. But, Max, it. You have to admit that there have been some interesting lotteries. Have there not?

[Max]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Big Cat]

I've seen the Patrick Ewing, the LeBron, Cleveland, the Derrick Rose of Chicago. Then you go to The. The. The 2011 LeBron makes the decision. Eighteen months later, the Cavs get the number one pick. The 2012 the Hornets.

[Hank]

Not shopping Luca.

[Big Cat]

Not shopping Luca. A clandestine trade. 2012, the Hornets, who are now the Pelicans, get the number one picks, the pick a few months after trading Chris Paul, which the NBA technically owned the team when they traded Chris Paul. Then a new owner comes. They. Whoa. They get the Anthony Davis pick. 2014, LeBron goes back to Cleveland. They get the number one pick, they get to trade it for Kevin Love. 2019, the Pelicans trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers, they get Zion Mavs. 2025, they trade Luca to the Lakers, they get Cooper flag. It's interesting.

[Max]

I also feel like there's plenty of. Plenty of stories where it's like the most boring team. Like the pellet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but that's what we do here.

[PFT]

Max. Max, here's where you're wrong.

[Big Cat]

Here's where should they pay you?

[PFT]

Here's where. Where you can pick and choose.

[Max]

They were very nice. They were very nice.

[PFT]

Yeah. You're very happy with how things turned out for your Sixers. Very, very happy. Of course. But you can pick.

[Hank]

He's a buffet.

[Max]

I did not touch the buffet.

[Big Cat]

Dude, he was inside of that buffet.

[Max]

Yeah, we have it on camera. The only thing that. The only thing I ate at the.

[Big Cat]

Buffet is when you fed me the.

[Max]

Yogurt and just put it on my face.

[Big Cat]

Who was the cameraman?

[Max]

That was me.

[Big Cat]

But you put. Interesting.

[Max]

You put the yogurt in my face.

[Big Cat]

Who's editing the video, Pug? Oh, well, you were the cameraman. Interesting.

[PFT]

Now, to be fair to Max, it. He might not have touched the buffet, but they only had healthy options at this buffet. Yeah, the buffet, it was, like I said, subpar. Was like grilled chicken, quinoa, couscous, A lot of stuff that Max doesn't know how to pronounce, much less eat. So he did. Yeah, it is true. You didn't touch the health stuff. But when you. When you look at the teams, where are the examples where it has been rigged, quote, unquote. You do find a lot of superstars coming out of the tops of those drafts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like you. You might rig it when it, when it matters, and you don't rig it when it does really matter. I'm saying I, I tend to believe the guy when he says that it's not rigged. He had a great, great way about him. Good mannerisms. They were nice enough to bring us behind the scenes, but also, that shit's rigged and I hate it. And there should be an investigation.

[Big Cat]

It's every sports conspiracy theory where, like, if you had a gun to my head and you're like, you have to say yes or no, was this rigged? I would say no. But is life more fun when you can explain the crazy outcomes of things by saying rigged?

[PFT]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Big Cat]

More fun.

[PFT]

And there's.

[Big Cat]

Yell rigged out loud. It's fun.

[PFT]

It was a big night, too, for people that don't really have a firm concept of probability to just throw out numbers out there. So I had some people telling me that since 2008, there have been five teams that had a 3% chance or less to win the lottery, that have won the lottery. So that is something that should happen 3% of the time, but it's happening 29 of the time. That's not really the case because there's a lot of teams that have like, 3% or less. And when you add up all their odds together, it becomes like they actually have. I don't know what it is, 20, 30 chance.

[Big Cat]

Right. Like, the Bulls got the pick that they were supposed to get. The Hawks got the pick they were supposed to get.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And if you have nothing changed with.

[PFT]

Those, if you have. Under the new lottery system, if you have a bunch of teams that are like, percent, 2%, 1%, you add up all those percents together and it's like, oh, yeah, there's like a 30% chance that one of the teams with bad odds is going to get the top pick. Right. Not individually, like, not like the. For example, the Mavericks. There was not a high percentage that they would get the first pick, but there was a, a reasonable percentage that one of the bad teams could move up. But it was like every. And you know who really made out like a bandit in all this? We're not talking about them. San Antonio Spurs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they got the number two.

[PFT]

They're flying under the radar because the Mavericks are taking all the heat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but what you just said is a good point, because I do think that the, the NBA were. They were trying to fix a problem, and they've made it kind of worse because they were trying to fix the tanking problem by flattening the odds a few years ago, which they did where it was now, instead of whatever it used to be, it's now 14 is the highest you can get odds. I don't think that works because I don't. I still don't understand how a lower market team can get better other than through the draft. And you have to, like, I get it. You don't want tanking, but it feels like there's even more teams tanking. Like there was, like, half the Eastern Conference wasn't playing at the end of the. At the end of the season.

[PFT]

Yeah. If you're the Wizards, how do you get better?

[Big Cat]

Right? How do you get the Jazz? You. How do you get better?

[PFT]

Yeah. I think the Wizards may be a little bit different because they do have. It is technically a big market in D.C. but they don't. It's not like a rabid fan base.

[Big Cat]

Right. But you're the Hornets. You're like, you're. You're the Pelicans. How do you get better? Yeah, you have to get drafted.

[PFT]

You have to just hit on Steph Curry in the draft.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

If you. If you find a guy that slips a little bit and he develops into being somebody that nobody expected, that's one way to do it, but that's very, very rare to do. It's hard to get a free agent. I don't. I just don't know what else the Wizards can do right now. Like, and if you're a Wizards fan, you're feeling pretty bad about yourself right now, because your only solution that you have is, well, it looks like another shitty year where we win 20 games and then we have to rely on a lottery ball that's going to bounce our way to get a player that might end up making a difference for us down the line.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

There's really not a lot. Not a lot that you can do. I. I had the theory. Tell me if this is dumb, Big Cat. If you're the Wizard's front office, do you pick up that phone and do you call Nico and do you say, just take it. Take a flyer, Nico, we will offer you the number six overall pick for the number one overall pick. And see what he says. Yeah, like, definitely, there's a. The chance isn't zero that he says yes. Yeah, there's a small chance.

[Big Cat]

No, you gotta. You gotta just frame it in a way of like, hey, Nico, if you pick the one. If you take the one overall pick and he ends up not being good, you could get fired.

[PFT]

You're dead.

[Big Cat]

If you take the 6 overall pick, people don't really expect a lot from that player. You could be good dude.

[PFT]

And if he's. If he's, you know, a solid rotational guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Then people be like, damn, Nico knows how to find him.

[Big Cat]

That's diamond in the rough.

[PFT]

Anyone can pick Cooper Flag. I could pick Cooper Flag right now.

[Big Cat]

Who. What is the outcome? You guys are rooting for the most? I. It's. For me, it's somehow the. Nico trades the Lakers, the number one pick and gets Luca back.

[PFT]

Gets Luca back.

[Big Cat]

Just also, I think the funniest one, and I don't want this to happen for Mavs fans, but it would be very funny if he's like, cooper Flags bad on defense and takes, you know, Ace Bailey.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's like, he's just like. Yeah, I'm. I'm zagging on that.

[PFT]

The problem with that is Cooper Flag is really good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's. Yeah. No, I. I'm saying it's not real. It's just. I mean, Luke is also really good at basketball. Nico traded him. I do think that the Giannis thing is interesting because Giannis did say that he wants to play in a state with no income tax, reportedly. And would that. I. I think they. The Bucks would absolutely do that trade, right? Yeah, in a heartbeat.

[PFT]

That also.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't know what the fair compensation is, but, like, if you're the Bucks and you're like, hey, we're not going to win with the honest, but we can get Cooper Flag and reset everything. And the Mavs would be an immediate. With Giannis.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And Anthony Davis and. Well, Kyrie's out. Did Kyrie have an Achilles, too?

[PFT]

He did, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

A little bit old. I could see Eric Adams lobbying the. The state of New York to be like, just suspend income tax for a year so we can sign Giannis.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. For. Why doesn't the state do that for players?

[PFT]

Yeah. Just all athletes. I. I imagine that that would get people very upset.

[Big Cat]

Not if they won.

[PFT]

That's true. Then they'd be very happy.

[Big Cat]

All right, so before we do Hot seat Cool. To our own show of hands. Rigged or not rigged? Who thinks it is rigged?

[PFT]

Rigged?

[Hank]

I do.

[Big Cat]

Memes. You think it's rigged? No. Oh. So the booth boys.

[PFT]

All lotteries are fair.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[PFT]

All sports.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

Big of you memes.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

I want to give credit to Max, though. So when they were announcing the order at one point, Kevin Nagande, he said that the Sixers are now they've fallen out and they will not get a What? Top. Top 6 pick.

[Max]

Top 6 pick.

[PFT]

Top 6 Pick. And immediately, immediately. The second that he said that Max goes. That's not true that I look back at the.

[Max]

I looked back at the footage. I. I did not say it immediately. I'll hand up. I did not say it immediately.

[PFT]

It was sooner than anybody else said.

[Max]

It because I was looking puzzled because it didn't make sense. He said the Sixers have fallen out of the top six. At like.

[Big Cat]

That was a sad.

[Hank]

Tatum underwent surgery to repair torn right Achilles tendon. Catastrophic season ending injury for one of NBA's young faces in Celtics with a long rehab awaiting he.

[Big Cat]

Did they do surgery that fast? I thought they had to let swelling go.

[PFT]

It's with the knee. I think with the heel it might be different.

[Big Cat]

Oh. I mean he could be back for the end of next year. It's like a year, right?

[PFT]

Just worry about the Knicks, Hank.

[Hank]

Worry about the next.

[Big Cat]

So any statement now how many. How, how much of like percentage wise were you? Like this. This is just fine.

[Hank]

The longer it was going.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's. That's mean.

[Hank]

I know they did that. I know. Because Porzingis went down. I mean obviously it was a little bit different. But he went down in the Heat series last year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And he was looking weird. Like it was an Achilles. Yeah.

[Hank]

But he was fine.

[Max]

This is. If they already did the surgery, they, they must have known like this morning. Why are you.

[Big Cat]

Last night.

[Max]

Why are they just reporting this now?

[Hank]

Because the injury report goes out at 4.

[Max]

Oh yeah.

[PFT]

You within Achilles, you know, pretty much immediately.

[Max]

Yeah. But I, I feel like it's just mean to.

[Big Cat]

Well, Stephen Che was the one who really knew it like an hour.

[Max]

He said he thinks thanks.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

He's like, I think this is.

[Big Cat]

And I'm sorry, Hank. That sucks.

[Hank]

Yeah, it does.

[Big Cat]

I'm sorry.

[PFT]

A man don't this guy.

[Hank]

Just gotta beat the Knicks.

[Big Cat]

You gotta beat the Knicks.

[PFT]

You got this, man.

[Hank]

Thanks.

[PFT]

So congrats, Max. I'm very happy that you got the number three overall pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Wait, so Max yelled out right away.

[PFT]

He's like, well, it, it. There was upon Max's re examining of the video, there was like a gap. But he was the first person that I heard say it. And it was pretty quickly after. After they made the mistake on the broadcast. And I kept, I kept making fun of Max. I'm like, no, you didn't you loser. You dropped out, you loser. I think he meant to say the Wizards, but somebody in his ear told him that the Sixers dropped. And he repeated it because then they cut to commercial, and he was like, what the was that? He was, like, mad at somebody in production.

[Max]

He wasn't, like, mad, I think, but he was just like, what.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Max]

What the hell just happened there? Because someone was definitely. Because he did. No, no, it was not the Wizards, because he did say the Sixers will lose their pick. So there's. They were the only team that that, like, could have happened to.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

So it had to. It had to have been that someone was just wrong about the reporting of, like, what happened, which is crazy because he said they said it after, like, the ninth pick, which didn't make sense because their spot wasn't up yet. So in my head, I was like, this doesn't make sense. Unless someone already knew that and told him before they were supposed to tell him. But then when the seventh pick came out and it wasn't the Thunder, it was like, no. Then the Sixers keep their pick because that was the only way that we were going to lose it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, well, I'm sorry. Pft.

[PFT]

It's okay.

[Big Cat]

Good job, Max. Coin flip didn't go my way. And NBA rigged.

[Max]

Very rigged.

[Big Cat]

I do. I do not think. I think that the Mavs were going to get it anyway.

[Max]

So thank you for the very nice people that showed us around yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Yes, very nice.

[PFT]

Maybe not rigged, but if it was rigged, this is exactly how they would have rigged it.

[Big Cat]

Exactly how they'd rig it. Exactly.

[Max]

There's probably another team that they could have.

[PFT]

No, Mavs.

[Big Cat]

Not really.

[PFT]

Mavs. Do the math, Max.

[Big Cat]

Do the math. Bulls.

[Max]

You don't think that they.

[PFT]

That. No.

[Pablo Torre]

Like the bulls.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT]

Because LeBron.

[Max]

What?

[PFT]

Because LeBron. LeBron needed a solid young player, needed a superstar on his team. So the Mavericks and Luca over, and in exchange, the Mavericks, they get the number one overall pick.

[Hank]

The Eastern Conference is going to be a joke.

[Big Cat]

No, what he's saying is the Bulls, because they want the big market. I think we'll get one eventually.

[Max]

But we've been saying that. How many years in a row have Bulls fans be like, they're going to rig it in our favor?

[Big Cat]

Well, because they. Because that's. That's the only hope you can have when they can't tank properly. So we haven't had odds that have been like, I think that if the Bulls were the worst team, we would just get the first pick. But they Just can't. It's. It's crazy. And then the Mavs, you know, Mavs fans didn't deserve this.

[PFT]

It's also crazy that the Mavs had won the play in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

That this wouldn't even be a conversation.

[Big Cat]

Correct. Correct. I hate the plan.

[PFT]

Also, credit to Pug. He had a great take. He hit.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it was Bruce.

[PFT]

He hit us up last night. He said, yeah, but imagine if they kept Luke and got the number one overall pick. How much. How much cooler that team would have been like, no, Pug.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

They would not have gotten a lottery pick. It's like they still had Luca.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I had to tell him right away. It's like Luke on the team probably isn't in the lottery. He's like, oh, but it would have been cool. Luca and Cooper flag would have been sick. Real sick. All right, should we do hot seat, Cool throne? Hank, are you still with us physically? You got to get to it. You're sitting on the wood, dude. And we're gonna talk more hockey with Yance. We're gonna talk about every series in depth. And then we got Pablo Torre. Hot seat, Cool Throne. Brought to you by our friends at body Armor. Body armor is the best. This segment is brought to you by Body Armor sports drinks. Body armor has great tasting flavors like strawberry, banana and orange mango with no artificial dyes, flavors, or sweeteners in a bold new look with the same great taste. Get your body armor today at Walmart or a local grocery store near you. Body armor. Choose better with body armor. We love it. Strawberry banana, my favorite body armor drink. It is so delicious. And they got new look. It's. It looks awesome. So bold new look, same great taste. Gear, body armor today at Walmart or local grocery store near you. Body armor choose better, Hank. Hot seat, cool trunk.

[Hank]

My hot seat is the course.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. I had this as well.

[Hank]

PGA championship is this weekend. It's at Quail Hollow. And where's Quail Hollow? It's in Charlotte. There has been some quotes from players who are, you know, coming at the course. Pretty. Pretty hard. Hunter Mahan Mayhand.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Said Quail Hollow is like a Kardashian. Modern, beautiful and well kept, but it lacks a soul or character.

[PFT]

That's harsh.

[Big Cat]

Who's more mad? Quail Hollow, the course or the Kardashians?

[PFT]

I don't know. This kind of feels like you're provoking the course, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What is the deal with. What's the. What's the issue with the course?

[Hank]

It's a bomber's Paradise. There's no real penalty for missing fairways. Like, if you can hit it far, you're gonna be fine. So Rory, Bryson, Scotty, the bombers. Scotty, obviously always.

[Max]

This course sounds awesome. Yeah, that sounds like the perfect course.

[Big Cat]

A bomber's paradise.

[PFT]

Yeah, well, you would say that as a terrorist.

[Hank]

Justin Thomas gave some other insight. Who's one?

[PFT]

You didn't get it? Max didn't get it. It's okay.

[Hank]

I didn't get it.

[PFT]

The. The Hamas picture of you at the White House. Yeah. A bomber's paradise.

[Big Cat]

That's so.

[Max]

That's so long ago.

[PFT]

So you get.

[Big Cat]

That's so long.

[PFT]

You get 72 virgins after you finish round.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Justin Thomas, also, to. To give some more insight, said I feel like a place like this where it doesn't necessarily require a lot of thought or strategy off the te. It's generally pulling out driver and just. I need to hit this as far as. And as straight as possible.

[PFT]

So. Bryson. Yeah, so Bryson's the play.

[Hank]

Bryson roar. Yeah, that's what you would be led to believe. It's also been raining there, so it's going to be soft conditions.

[Big Cat]

Do you guys like that the PGA moved?

[PFT]

No.

[Big Cat]

No, I don't either.

[PFT]

No, it should be U.S. open.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, U.S. open should be right now or I guess it would be in a couple weeks, but. Yeah. And it is in a couple weeks. It's in June, I believe.

[Eddie]

So.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I like to finish with pga. I. I like that ending. I don't know why they did this.

[Hank]

I agree. So the course is. Courses on the hot seat. It's going to be getting a lot of scrutiny this weekend.

[PFT]

The groundskeepers, though, they're like Cam Newton, like. Okay, all right. I see what you're saying. They're going to. With the course a little bit over.

[Hank]

They said that about the. This. This course in Philly they played this weekend, the cricket club. They said because it was older that, you know, it was designed before everyone could hit bomb. So that because it's so short, there's going to be very low scores. But that didn't happen.

[Max]

So I used to valet at that club.

[Big Cat]

Oh, just cool.

[Max]

Just a little fun fact for everyone at home.

[Hank]

That is a fun fact.

[Big Cat]

I do like though, the. The Quail hollow. The. The 16 through through 18 is called the Green Mile. That's kind of cool.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Because it's like really tough, I guess the end of the course. Yeah. Are you. Do you have a pick?

[Hank]

No. Brooks man speed.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man, he's so down bad. He doesn't like golf anymore.

[Hank]

I'd like to see. I would like to see Spieth win. Brooks, obviously.

[Big Cat]

What's that? What's that memes?

[PFT]

Game five, Hank. You got game five.

[Hank]

Oh, that's what I'm saying. I'm not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT]

He's good. One. One thing at a time.

[Big Cat]

But what if game five doesn't go your way? You're gonna have full weekend of golf.

[PFT]

Yeah, but that's not gonna happen if the Celtics lose. Hypothetically, game five. How quickly do you check out on the rest of the NBA playoffs?

[Hank]

Immediately.

[Big Cat]

Immediately.

[Max]

The weather's gonna be so nice.

[Hank]

Oh, yeah. I don't. I could care less who wins. Care less.

[Big Cat]

We're golfing on Thursday.

[Max]

That's not true. You're going to be so anti Knicks.

[Big Cat]

What happens if the Celtics lose? Are you going to golf with me on Thursday still?

[Hank]

We'll see. I don't know. Yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay.

[Hank]

This now feels mean. My cool throne is fat diabetes. Cat.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

Big cat. What was it last show? The show before said you're gonna do what? A full reassessment. Reassessment on your health.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

And then.

[Big Cat]

Which I have.

[Hank]

You talked about how you eat a box of Lucky charms every night.

[Big Cat]

That was one night.

[Hank]

And then yesterday you created a task force of multiple employees at this office to locate and find the best soft serve ice cream machine so that you can buy one and install it in this office.

[Big Cat]

The cream team.

[Hank]

The cream team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's my cream team. So I don't know if that. I don't know if that was like that. And it was that part of the reassessment. Like you did the reassessment. It was like more soft serve.

[Big Cat]

I reassessed my life. There's some things that I can do better. I've already started to like. Do you know you. You. You comment about the Lucky Charms. Did you not hear about the yellow Cheerios that eat. I eat those.

[Hank]

Okay. And been eating those in. In one night. Two nights.

[Big Cat]

No. Those I just eat for breakfast now. It's miserable suck.

[PFT]

Also, ice cream has calcium.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Bones. Yes. I reassessed my life. And I realized that a life without constant access to soft serve ice cream is not a life I want to live anymore. More.

[PFT]

So. Hank, are you anti ice cream?

[Hank]

No. I just. Cool throwing is just fat diabetes.

[PFT]

Cat.

[Big Cat]

Whoa. Whoa. It sounds like I've already made it very clear too. We're only doing toppings on Friday.

[Eddie]

We are.

[Big Cat]

We're only doing toppings on Friday.

[PFT]

It sounds like you're Anti scream.

[Big Cat]

Do you like the cream team? Do you think I put a good. So it's. It's Zach, Jacob, and then I've added Ben Mintz as the special advisor to getting for free.

[Hank]

Yeah. That's an elite. Yeah. You've built a great team to. To get us the best soft serve ice cream machine. You know what money can buy. Do it. I don't care.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You'll never eat it. Banned. Make the. Make the. Make the graphic Henry locker band. Until you apologize and show real remorse, you are not allowed to have a single drop of that thing.

[Hank]

That's good. Keep me honest.

[Big Cat]

All right, great. But I'm saying I'm going to be watching the tapes every night because I know the minute we leave, you're going to go get your ice cream.

[PFT]

Everyone else Sunday, if you. If you lose. If the Patriots lose a game, you're going to want to hit the ice cream machine immediately.

[Big Cat]

Dude, soft serve ice cream doesn't even have calories.

[Max]

That's true. Soft serve really does.

[Big Cat]

Calories. Yeah, for sure.

[PFT]

Are we going to.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Are we going to have.

[PFT]

Is Bang going to have his own flavor of minced chocolate chip?

[Big Cat]

No, I think it's just going to be. We're going to keep it simple. Chocolate, vanilla. Chocolate vanilla. And twist. Swirl. Twist.

[Max]

Got.

[Big Cat]

And then toppings on Fridays. Cones. There'll be a sleeve of cones.

[Hank]

Just go on a cruise, dude.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

They have soft serve machines everywhere on cruises.

[Big Cat]

I got to work. I'm trying to make work the best.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Max]

You need a vacation.

[Big Cat]

You're banned. You're bad.

[Hank]

That's fine.

[Big Cat]

You're fucking bad.

[Hank]

That's fine. I don't care. I hate to care about anything. I also really don't.

[PFT]

I think Hank's just going to plead injury to all this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Like anything that he says within 24 hours. They can't be held against him in court. He's grieving.

[Big Cat]

Are you guys.

[Max]

I am.

[Big Cat]

Are you guys all in?

[Hank]

Well, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Be New York.

[PFT]

So you're not grieving. You're in denial.

[Hank]

That's the first focus on game five.

[PFT]

That's the first stage of grief.

[Hank]

I'm focused on game five. We'll deal with the off season when we get there.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

All right.

[Big Cat]

You guys are all in, right?

[PFT]

Yeah. I'll eat ice cream.

[Eddie]

Love it.

[Big Cat]

Max, I gotta put.

[Max]

I gotta put at least some sort of a limit on myself.

[Big Cat]

Okay. We could do that.

[PFT]

Like a governor.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I gotta give Myself. Rules of when I can and cannot have ice cream.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[PFT]

Maybe do, like, invisible. Put a collar on you.

[Max]

That's not a bad idea.

[PFT]

You're not allowed within five feet of the. Of the ice cream machine.

[Max]

Unless, like, certain times. Because I want to have some ice cream, but if I have it, if I have access to it. Unlimited access. I will have multiple ice creams every day.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah. Which is with a cat and you. You set out like a. One of those automatic feeders.

[Max]

I should get one of those. I should get one.

[PFT]

Yeah. Also, we should put up a sign, do not feed this man ice cream so that you can't ask people to get you.

[Max]

Do not feed the Max.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Banned.

[PFT]

Sorry for your loss.

[Hank]

Thanks.

[Big Cat]

Ice cream, too. I will. I will hear an appeal. I will hear Hank's appeal in court, knowing that he is in a very fragile state right now, but he has clearly appeal to get unbanned.

[Hank]

Yeah. That time will probably come.

[Big Cat]

Okay. When you see us just walking around licking a cone, having a time of our life.

[Max]

The first day of the ice cream. Not getting a cone on. On the inaugural ice cream day is going to be.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it's gonna hurt.

[Max]

Opening day. Has to have. Has to have toppings.

[Big Cat]

I might.

[Max]

Oh, definitely opening day.

[Big Cat]

Well, we'll probably do opening day on a Friday.

[PFT]

You can also just bring your own sprinkles.

[Big Cat]

You can bring your own sprinkles. I'm just saying toppings will be Friday only, so that way we keep a little of the calories down.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The cream team is hard at work. Okay. Pft.

[PFT]

My hot seat.

[Big Cat]

Look at his face. That sounds. It looks like a guy who's down in the dumps and just got banned from ice cream.

[Hank]

I don't. I can eat ice cream, just not here. That's fine.

[Big Cat]

Dude. There's going to be a soft serve machine, Literally. We might even put it in this studio. Great.

[PFT]

I think. I think what's going to happen is Hank's going to sabotage the ice cream machine.

[Hank]

No. I want you guys to be happy.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT]

No, you don't. That's not true. That's not true at all.

[Big Cat]

That is not true. It is.

[PFT]

It's not true. When have you ever wished happiness?

[Hank]

All the time. Yeah, I say it all the time.

[Big Cat]

Well, then you let me get it.

[Hank]

You guys never. Your teams never do anything. But. But I root for them to. To do it.

[PFT]

We want to talk about teams. Why'd you have to go there?

[Big Cat]

Happiness. I want you guys to be happy. You root for me to Be better.

[Hank]

I want you guys to not have kidney stones.

[PFT]

Well, calcium. Who knows what kidney stones are?

[Big Cat]

Calcium could not have anything to do with this.

[PFT]

I said I hadn't changed my diet at all. I hadn't been eating more sodium. And then Mad dog was like, didn't you just eat 15 days of gumbo in New Orleans? I was like, that's a. That's a valid point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I have changed other parts of my diet. I'm trying to. I'm trying to eat less carbs. Less. Less salt, more ice cream.

[PFT]

I'll shoot a diamond out of my dick once a month if it means I can have ice cream every day.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely.

[PFT]

That's a. That's a fair trade.

[Big Cat]

I trade that in a heartbeat. I mean, a soft serve machine, it's like a. It's a gold mine. It's a dream of mine. It's the best. I love soft serve ice cream. It's so good, and it's good for you.

[Max]

Also, ice cream is just carbs.

[Big Cat]

No, it's not. It's liquid. Dude, that's just not true. You could also carbs. Here's a list of carbs. Bread, French fries, Pasta.

[Max]

Rice.

[Big Cat]

No rice. I don't even count as a car.

[PFT]

White rice.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I think the solution is just put up a sign over the ice cream machine that just says frozen yogurt machine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Just label it as frozen yogurt.

[Big Cat]

No fat.

[PFT]

No fat. Frozen yogurt.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

And then. But it's just ice cream inside.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Pft. Your hot seat.

[PFT]

Cool tongue. My hot seat is jockeys, okay? Jockeys are on the hot seat because the jockey that won the Kentucky Derby, Junior Alvarado, he just got fined. He got slapped with a $62,000 fine. See you later, Hank.

[Big Cat]

All right. See you.

[PFT]

Hank apparently hit the horse too many times with race with the racing crop during it. So he hit the horse eight times, Sovereignty, during the race, and the maximum that you're allowed to hit the horse is just six times. So they find him $62,000. Normally it's just a. A 10% fine. And his total person race was $310,000. So he should have been fined 3,31,000, but it's his second offense in a calendar year, so they upped it up. They doubled the fine to $62,000. Also kind of the pussification of America. We can't even hit horses anymore.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that is. That is okay.

[PFT]

And then my cool throne is sharks. Sharks are on the cool throne because Trey Hendrickson, the pass Rusher from the Cincinnati Bengals give a press conference today. He's unhappy with his contract. Still. They promised him that they were going to do a deal, they were going to work on something, and they just didn't do that. They didn't. Apparently the Bengals did not live up to their end of the bargain when it came to, you know, honoring a verbal commitment to rework something and get him paid. So he kind of rescinded his no trade or he, he had a trade request earlier this offseason and he kind of backed off from that because he thought that they were trying to work things through. But then apparently they went back on that. So now he's on the offensive and he said there's provoked shark attacks and there's unpro. Provoked shark attacks. And right now he. This is a provoked shark attack that he's doing to the media.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

Where he's going after the Bengals and, and complaining about the way that they treat him. It sounds like he's not going to play for. For. He doesn't want to play this.

[Big Cat]

He doesn't want to play.

[PFT]

He says that he doesn't want to play the season. They asked him at this point, do you want to be a Cincinnati Bengal? He said, that's a tough question. And then he talked about animosity and he used the analogy of provoke shark attacks. That's what, that's what he's dealing with right now.

[Big Cat]

That doesn't feel good. When a shark. When provoked shark attacks is used.

[PFT]

It feels like that might be the burning of a bridge right there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So I don't know. I guess my takeaway from this is that the Bengals might be the only team that would say, yeah, well, we don't give a fuck. We're not trading. You know, I. I dare you to play. To go the whole season without playing.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

And so Hendrickson has himself in a tough position because he does have a contract. He is under contract right now.

[Big Cat]

Huh.

[PFT]

And that's kind of the price that you pay when you sign a three year deal or a three year extension and then you over perform it and then you want to get paid. Now the Bengals are famous for asking people to take pay cuts if you don't play up to your expectation.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

So the Bengals are going to have it both ways, but as. As the NFL goes, the teams have a lot more leverage. So I guess Trey's gonna try to just sit out and see if they'll trade him. Yeah, I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I feel like they won't. Well, no, they'll trade them if they.

[PFT]

If they get a good offer.

[Big Cat]

They would rather get the asset than. Yeah. All right. My hot seat is, is the NFL because I we said this on Sunday. I'm so sick of this schedule release week. It sucks. It sucks. Give me the whole schedule. Stop giving me a piece of a game here and there. We found out the Eagles and the Commanders are playing on. On. You're not on right now. The Eagles and Commanders are playing on the 20th Saturday the 20th of December of December. Packers, Bears. The Eagles and Bears are playing.

[Max]

It's just Eagle schedule release.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Max]

Let's just give another Eagles game in the morning and then another game at night. That's how they're doing it.

[Big Cat]

Driving me insane. I hate it. Just give me the whole schedule. They've completely ruined something that was kind of fun and now it's just become. Because now I'm piecing it all together. We spent. We were at the NBA draft lottery like for 20 minutes trying to piece together what the Christmas Day games might be. And like, it's just so stupid.

[PFT]

So it's looking like, yeah, the Eagles have A game Week 10 Monday Night Football against the Packers. They are just. Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They're playing opening day against the Cowboys.

[PFT]

It's been a lot. They did the, the international schedule as well. The Commanders are playing against the Dolphins in Spain.

[Big Cat]

The Vikings are doing the first ever back to back in different countries.

[PFT]

They're going Dublin, then London.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Steelers and then the Browns back to back. It does suck. It does suck. Like, I, I understand that you want to like each. The problem is it's each broadcast partner that wants to have like their moment in the sun where they get all the attention on one of their games.

[Big Cat]

But no one asked for this. We're going to watch the games anyway. Just give us the whole fucking schedule and, and stop with the leaks and stop with the morsels. Just give us the whole schedule.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And also you to the people who are like, it doesn't matter. We already know the opponents. That's max. How they go matters a lot.

[PFT]

It does.

[Big Cat]

And also matters for people who are trying to make trips around this.

[PFT]

It also matters if you're like, I really enjoy complaining. If you're like the NFL us because we have to play like two games in a matter of six days.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT]

You know, like that, that whole like complaining about getting bad rest when it matters the most when your bye week is.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT]

It's fun to complain about that. But also you could do all this by Just releasing the schedule.

[Big Cat]

Release the schedule.

[PFT]

The entire schedule.

[Big Cat]

Just so annoying.

[PFT]

Just mainline it to us. But, yeah, we were. We were looking at the Christmas week games, and Big Cat and I were like, well, that means that if you do the math, we're gonna be playing each other on Christmas. And then we started planning the part of my take schedule for that week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

With the understanding that the Commanders are probably playing the Bears on Christmas. And then all that might be wrong, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because we realized that we were planning it like it was last year, when it was. Wednesday was Christmas. So they had to. The Saturday games had to be the Wednesday games. This year, it's Thursday's Christmas, so they can absolutely use the Sunday games for Thursday games.

[Max]

We also found. Because we found out the Eagles and Packers are not playing that Christmas, which means that.

[PFT]

Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

So we were just. But that's the NFL's fault. And all this for making us guess. Hank's so with us. Nope.

[PFT]

No, he's not. Hank has been checked out. It's okay. I get it. This is one circumstance. I'll give Hank.

[Big Cat]

Oh, absolutely.

[PFT]

I'll give Hank a pass on this.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely.

[PFT]

That's some. That's bad news that he has to do.

[Big Cat]

It's really, really shitty news. The. The long injury thing is. It's devastating. It's not, oh, he's out for two or three weeks. It's. It's devastating. It sucks beyond belief. All right, My Cool Throne is. You know what? I'm gonna do a reversal. My Cool Throne is college grads because they're graduating right now, and I see all the pictures, and everyone's like, oh, it's graduation. And I'm sure there's some college grads listening right now that are freaking out. Don't freak out. I think we've given this speech before. There's a lot of pressure when you graduate college because you're like, holy shit, I gotta go. In the real world, there's gonna be one friend who's making more money than everyone else. You feel pressure from that. You're 22 years old. You got so much time to figure some shit out. You're probably gonna fuck up. You're probably gonna hate your job or you might love your job. Whatever me. Whatever happens, you've got time to fail at a job. Hate a job, quit a job, love a job, and then re. Reimagine yourself a couple years later. You know, you're still 25.

[PFT]

You know the guys in college that sometimes might not be doing so well, and they pretend to their parents that they're doing well.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And when the. In reality, they're failing. Do you think there's anybody out there that has told their parents that they did not graduate this year when they did graduate, so they can just go back to school for one.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[PFT]

And just hang out in town and Absolutely. To, like, do forged report cards and be like, I'm doing a lot better this year, guys. Getting bees.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Instead of D's.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely.

[PFT]

That would be a hell of a move.

[Big Cat]

That is, though, the one, like. Because it sucks graduating college. That feeling of like, oh, shit, my. The four years are over. The one. The one saving grace is when all your friends leave together. Like, I remember going back to Madison, like, two years after I graduated, and I didn't know. I knew, like, a couple people, and I was like, well, this isn't. This isn't what? College? You know, I mean, my friends aren't here, so you. It doesn't feel. The idea of, like, leaving and having all your friends stay and still do in college, that's not reality.

[PFT]

And you'll be okay. You'll be okay. Life gets better, not worse.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Right, Hank?

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

You know what, Hank? Unbanned.

[Hank]

Nice.

[Big Cat]

I feel bad for you. No, I feel bad for him. I feel bad for him. He's going through a lot right now. He just privately, in a moment, in the next couple of weeks, just be like, hey, you know what I was wrong about? You know the ice cream machine? It rocks. That's all I'll ask. It doesn't even have to be public, but unbanned. Because you are going through some.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

And Tatum. Injury sucks a lot.

[Hank]

It does.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay.

[PFT]

Game five.

[Big Cat]

Game five on the wood. Joe Missoula looking you in the eyes.

[PFT]

I need this, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Come on. Oh, no Memes.

[PFT]

Missoula loves this meme.

[Big Cat]

Just gave a very sarcastic.

[Max]

I'm so jealous of memes right now.

[Big Cat]

Like this.

[Max]

The fact that he gets to.

[Big Cat]

Yes. So jealous.

[PFT]

When we say that I. I want to clear something up. When we say that we, as a podcast, don't root for injuries. That's not entirely true, because memes definitely roots for it.

[Big Cat]

Oh, 100. No.

[PFT]

I had my quarterback taken away four.

[Big Cat]

Snaps it to a season.

[Eddie]

I don't.

[PFT]

I don't. That's that on anyone. That's why you. That's why you wish for it now. Like, I want you to suffer the.

[Big Cat]

Way I wish injuries were turned off. Injuries suck.

[PFT]

I just don't understand why they can't just. I don't understand Achilles. Like, why can't they just put it back together? That's a good point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, That's a really good point. Why didn't they think about that? If there's any doctors listening, try that.

[PFT]

Hank, would you like.

[Hank]

Yes, I'd give him my Achilles.

[Eddie]

Oh.

[PFT]

Would you like to apologize to God?

[Big Cat]

No. They're still beefing.

[Hank]

Yeah. We'll see later tonight or tomorrow. What?

[Big Cat]

They have a flight you have to take.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So.

[Hank]

Yeah, we'll see tonight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Probably revisit this tonight.

[PFT]

You gotta. You gotta make amends.

[Big Cat]

You gotta. You gotta talk to the G Man.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Hank]

Probably do.

[PFT]

Also cool Throne. All the dead guys in baseball.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT]

Because they got unbanned.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Pete Rose can go in the hall of Fame. You knew they were gonna do this.

[PFT]

Shoeless Joe Jackson. The. The rule was, I think Manfred said, if you're dead, then you're off the band list.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Which is how it should be. It's a lifetime band. Right. Their lifetime's over. Get him off the list.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

We'll be in the hall of Fame one day after he dies.

[Big Cat]

After he dies.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He should just fake his death.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And show up to Cooperstown. That would rock. Also sucked for Oswaldo Cabrera. That injury was brutal. Yeah. So thoughts? Pretty shame. Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Yan's talking hockey, and then we got Pablo Torre talking Jordan.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is our guy, Keith Yandel. That was Three verys.

[Eddie]

That's better than the none I got last time.

[Big Cat]

You got none last time?

[Eddie]

I think so.

[PFT]

That's not true.

[Big Cat]

I always. I always don't know what to do with, like, our friends and co workers, you know what I mean? It's. It's a little different because you're. You're our guy and you're. You're our colleague. So it's like.

[PFT]

Yeah, a very, very intimate guest.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, very intimate guest. It is Yan's. We're going to talk some playoff hockey. I don't know where we're actually. You know what? Let's start with, you know, we're taping this on Tuesday morning, so the Leafs and Panthers will play game five. But let's talk about that series first, because you bang the drum on Sunday night. How much credit do you get for the win, like, dominant win by the Panthers on Sunday night?

[Eddie]

I personally took no credit, but a lot of people have been throwing some credit my way, and I am not a guy to sit here and not take it, so I am going to take it. And I don't know how much I deserve of it, but I am taking it because, to be honest, once it, like, once I kind of settled down and was watching the game, I was like, oh, if they lose, it's kind of on my head. So then, like, I was all nervous during the game, and so it kind of made for a fun, you know, fun 60 minutes. And they played unbelievable. The night that I did it, Bob had a shutout. So it was just a lot of fun to be at that. At the game. I don't go to a ton of games anymore, just, you know, during the week. It's brutal going there, but it was a blast. So fun to be there. And they played unbelievable. It was the best game they've played in the playoffs, especially in this series. It was back to, you know, the way that the Peas play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So. So this series, would you say it feels like seven? Feels like we're going seven. Is that fair to say? And is it, like, how is. How is you and how are you and Biz like, getting on right now? Because it feels like it's gotten contentious on spitting Chiclets.

[Eddie]

Well, we're colleagues right now. This week, you know, last week or a week and a half ago, we were, you know, really, really, really good friends. And, you know, this week we're colleagues. So I think, you know, win or lose, I think we'll be back to where we were before. But I think it's definitely taken A little out of our friendship. You know, the way I Just. The way he's been treating people, I've been gracious enough to bring on the show. Just his whole antics and everything. He's been foaming at the malt a lot more, so hopefully we got to get him checked for rabies soon. I know he was supposed to have a doctor's appointment, but knowing him, he probably missed it. But, yeah, it's just he. The guy's lost in the sauce. Like Whit said, he is lost, and, you know, he thinks he's a part of the team. The man never played for the team. He barely played in the NHL, so I don't know how he's claiming another team. He was lucky enough to be on one, so just. Yeah, it's just. It's been a lot. It's been a lot of headaches with him this week, but I'm looking forward to the series to be over so we can be back to being friends.

[PFT]

Yeah. See, I think you're right that you'll go back to being friends if the Panthers win, but if the Leafs win, I think it's like. It's even worse if the Leafs keep winning. Like, imagine the Leafs win the Stanley Cup. You might not ever hear from Biz again. He might just move into the front office there.

[Eddie]

Yeah, but you know what? Like, I was at the game, and even a lot of. A lot of Toronto fans were coming up to me, and I think a lot of them have had enough of his. Yeah, just a lot of people just. They're like, who. Honestly, who is this guy? And then he's taking up our time on. He's sitting at TNT on the desk and wearing a. You know, just being a complete homer. So I think a lot of people have had enough of them, including myself. So I think for the betterment of the game and watching hockey, it'll be better for the Panthers to win this series. We can kind of, you know, just agree. Get him off talking about, you know, the.

[PFT]

The Leafs agreed would do. Would you say that you deserve credit for that win, or would you say that what you did, banging the drum, was just a continuation of the momentum that the Costco guys started when they banged the drum.

[Eddie]

That's what I was worried about. I found out, actually, as we were going to the game, my kids were like, oh, big justice and Big AJ did it the. The day before. And I'm like, how do I. How do I follow that up? You know what I mean? And then, you know, it was. It was Tough sledding, just the, the mental warfare for the 30 minutes leading up and then, you know, once the puck drops actually during warm ups, I could kind of tell, you know, you know, when Bob's in his rhythm, the way, you know, the way he saves and warm up, seeing everything into his glove. So I knew he was going to have a good game, so I owe him. I know he, he likes to give out bottles of wine after a shutout, so I'm, I'm actually going to send him a bottle.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I like. Classic. So, so in terms of the actual play on the ice, what is it about the Panthers that. Cause I would assume you're confident that they can win this series even though they have to win at least one game in Toronto. But do you think they're overall the better team? And also I know we're, we're taping this before the game. Like how much justice is, is Kachuk gonna get tonight after that? That was a shitty hit by Domi, I would assume like in terms of a, like in the locker room. Are you guys afterwards being like that? What was that? That would. The game was over and he cross checked someone into the boards.

[Eddie]

Yeah, those are scary, you know, especially when a guy has his back turned. He's that close. But far enough away from the boards where you could go in head first. Luckily Barky's okay. He's a big strong guy. But the best part about it I, I find is, you know, there's a couple, you know, it's playoff hockey, there's going to be dirty hits, there's going to be dirty plays that happen in game one and game two. And just everybody in Canada, including Biz, is bitching and complaining about how dirty, you know, the Panthers are and all this. And then you don't hear the Panthers complaining about anything. They're just all about that business, all about, you know, going to work the next day, getting ready for the next game. But I, I did not like the hit. I thought it was dirty. I think he got a five thousand, five thousand dollar fine, which, you know, it is what it is. But I know Max, I played with him a little bit in Phoenix, or maybe he was just there for training camp, but. Good kid. I don't think it was malicious. I don't think he was trying to hurt anyone. He was just trying to get some momentum for next game, but definitely didn't like it. But I really like the way the Florida handled it. Like men like, you know, the winners that they are and they know what it takes and they'll be ready to go, you know, Wednesday night.

[PFT]

Also shout out to Players association, because I think that's the maximum allowable fine. Right. They love to say that. $5,000. And then they're like, that is the maximum that we can do up to this point. 5,000. It does seem like a slap on the wrist.

[Big Cat]

Also, by the way, you just said Wednesday night. I'm an idiot. I didn't realize that. Game. Game five is Wednesday night. So this actually all works. Yeah. This preview. We're not going to see another game. Yeah. So. Yeah. So is there going to be. Is Kachuk going to go out there and fight right away?

[Eddie]

I don't think he needs to. I think that. I think they're. They're going to play their game. I think the momentum from the last two games at home, they got back to the way that they played the first two games they played in. In Toronto. You know, you got to give credit to Toronto. They played well, but the, the Panthers shot themselves in the foot. They. They, you know, had very uncharacteristic mistakes. They had four guys on the ice one time to, you know, score a late goal. Bob didn't play his best hockey. I'm sure he'd be the first one to tell you that. So, you know, they lost those two games, but they. They honestly, you know, basically gave them away. So I, I really like where they're at now. The last two games, they've played back to, you know, Panthers hockey, where they're, you know, just getting pucks and you watch them play their best players. Every single guy in the team hits guys, run guys through the wall. They're in on the forecheck. They, they don't make stupid plays when they're playing. Well, they did in the first two games, but they haven't the last two. So I just love the way that they're playing. And they're a team that can carry it over and, you know, keep building momentum on that, and they're going to be scary on Wednesday.

[PFT]

I heard a nasty rumor. Maybe you can tell me this is true or not. Nasty rumor that the Leafs hung out on the beach before the game and it dehydrated that being out in the sun, that their fair Toronto complexion wasn't built for the South Florida sun. Is that true? Is there any validity to these rumors that I'm hearing?

[Eddie]

I did see a picture floating around the Internet of, you know, one of the players took a picture with a fan, but I see nothing wrong with that. I'm a Big vitamin D guy, as you can tell by my beautiful tan. Yeah, 50 shades of white. But yeah, no, I, I, you know, it's, it's what you do when you're down here usually. You know, I loved playing, playing down here. And then other teams, you know, the teams from Canada, Winnipeg, they'd come in, you'd see the backup goalie the next day on the bench just burnt red. He knew he wasn't playing, so he, some guys might give it an hour on the beach and you know, the backups giving it about three hours on the beach, roasting away. But I didn't see too many sunburns, so I think that they, they knew what they were doing. They probably rotated, use some spf. But no, you can't, I can't blame them from that. I give. You know, you got to take in the cities when you go to these cities, like you, I mean, you only, you only play in the league so long, you only get to go around these cities. So I, I, I see nothing wrong with it.

[PFT]

Yeah, it must be nice for the Maple Leafs, too, especially when they play, you know, in, in southern towns like Colorado or, or Miami in the United States. They don't get recognized, I would assume, going around town. Right?

[Eddie]

Yeah. I mean, it's honestly one of the best parts about, you know, playing down here and, you know, especially now with how good they are. Like, the fans are still respectful. You know, they appreciate what the guys are doing on the ice, but, you know, you can go anywhere you want. You're not going to get, you know, harassed anywhere. And, you know, I think that's just such a, you know, a good perk to have a playing down here. And, you know, you still go to the rink, it's the same game once you get in that arena. But, you know, when you leave the rank in, in your golf cart and, and flip flops and janko shorts, it's nice.

[Big Cat]

Y. All right, so other series, I want to talk about the Oilers and the Knights. It feels like the Oilers are, I mean, they're up 3:1. Tell me this, though, because Skinner had an incredible year. Shutout after Saturday night. Was I right in my assessment? Like, I don't know hockey very well, but where Skinner was for that buzzer beater was just insane. Like, that was just bad go. Like, you can't be that far out and you have to hug the post there. Is that, is that a correct assessment? Because it seemed like something like, how does that happen?

[Eddie]

Yeah, I mean, honestly, it should have never got to that Point William Carlson, he's, he's. He's one on three, dumps the puck in. I think there's eight seconds left at the time where he dumps it in and, you know, it's one verse, three, and he ends up somehow getting to the puck and just throwing it to the middle. And luckily Riley Smith was there. So at that point, it's kind of just panic time because, you know, everyone's. You, you count down the mental clock in your head and you guys, every guy's probably like, oh, my God, there's 1 second, 2 second, and then you kind of just, you know, panicking, you don't know where to go. So I'm sure the goalie did the same thing. I'm. I'm sure if it was, you know, 10 minutes left in the game, that it would have never happened. But, you know, the panic set in and, you know, he kind of just got himself out of place. But for how dominant, you know, Edmonton has looked like that, the win that Vegas got there, like, that's the only way that I think they have a chance of beating them right now. It's just like a miraculous win. Win with 0.4. It's like you can't give Mahomes enough time on the clock. You couldn't give Tom Brady enough time on the clock. That's how the Oilers are right now. You give them enough time, they're going to find ways to score. You know, whether it's late in the game, you know, clutch goals. They, they. I didn't give them the credit that they deserve coming in. I think I had them even losing first round, and they've impressed me so much just with their depth scoring. You know, McDavid and dry seidel are still playing amazing, but they haven't had to carry the load as much as they have in the past, which is scary for every other team because, I mean, they haven't got going as much as they really could, but. Because they haven't had to. Yeah, but I mean, they still find a way. They're scoring huge goals, they're getting big assists, game winners and stuff like that. But you got, you know, Adam Henriques, Corey Perry, guys just, just, you know, chipping in and, you know, finding ways to win.

[Big Cat]

Do you believe in Skinner? Because that was, I mean, that was an incredible, you know, comeback to be like, hey, here's a shutout. Because he has, has that happen on Saturday night. I think people, I even saw people tweeting like, he can't play again in this series. Which seemed a little knee jerk reaction, then gets a shutout on Monday night. Do you believe in him going forward or is that like the, the one, the weak link, where you're like, hey, he's got to hold up. I don't know if he can actually do it.

[Eddie]

I mean, on paper he's definitely the, the, you know, in quotations, the weak link of their team. He, he's an amazing goalie. He's, you know, he's a big guy. He's, you know, he's got really good instincts. But I think last game he just, he really used his size to an advantage and wasn't trying to overplay things. And you know, he was just in good position at all times. And I don't think he was tested as much as, you know, other goalies are. I think, you know, even if he plays subpar a little bit, they can still, they can still win this series. But I think it's that next series, whether it's against Dallas or, or Winnipeg, is when, you know, when he's getting a lot more pressure, that's when you're gonna really see what he's made of.

[PFT]

Is there any chance at all that the Knights have to come back from 3:1?

[Eddie]

Honestly, I, I don't, I don't think so. They look, I don't know if they, they look a little off right now. They look like they're, you know, just not on the same page. They got some guys going. Well, you know, Mark Stone I think's a little banged. He left Game 3 the other day, came back, he played last night, which was a good sign, but he did, he just didn't look like himself. Jack Eichel's been amazing for them, carrying the load, but he's just, you know, they're not getting the support that they, that they have in past and I don't think that they can come back in this series against Edmonton. I think Edmonton's playing at a different level right now and you know, if you only got to win one more game and you got Leon and Connor, it's, it's always going to be tough to, to close them out.

[PFT]

Got it. So can we talk about my caps for a second? It's been a, it's been a painful series to watch. Watching the, the Hurricanes brand hockey, it's tough, especially when they're kicking the, out of you. I mean, it's bad enough if you're just watching them casually, but if you're on the receiving end, it's, it's a real tough Watch to get through. My takeaway is that the, the Capitals, they look like they've lost a lot of the energy that they had at the end of the season and in the first round of the playoffs. For whatever reason, they seem like they're kind of coming out there flat and we're missing a lot of opportunities early in the first periods of these games. And every time that happens, you can mark that down as being like, that's going to be the difference in this game because Carolina is going to get out to a lead and then we're going to have to press and try to score the third period and then leave things open on the back end. And their counter attack is so good that they'll just end up scoring if you end up pressing too hard. So my takeaway as just a casual is you got to score all the opportunities early. But what have you seen from the series?

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's a good breakdown of that. I think last night was the first time that there's even been a goal in the first period for either team. So Washington still hasn't scored in the first. I think they only have one goal in the power play this series, which is, you know, if you're a Capitals player, a fan, it's, that's how you guys, you know, make your, your bread and butter is scoring on the power play. And it's, it just hasn't been able to get it. I think, I think Washington does a really good job of suffocating team teams and, and, you know, not only 5 on 4, but 5 on 5. Their defense, their defensive zone, they just play really fast. They get on you. Not a lot of teams play the way that they do. I, I, I mean, this series is so boring to, it's basically, it's like the, the late 90s, early 2000 New Jersey Devils kind of sit back in the rocking chair and, you know, not let you get through the neutral zone and then just pressure the out of you and the defense, defensive zone. But hey, at the end of the day, it's winning hockey. Rod Brindemore gets all of his guys to buy in. He gets, you know, everything out of his guys. He doesn't, he doesn't have the one big superstar he's got, you know, guys that just, you know, come in there, check their ego at the door and play play hard for him. So it's definitely not a fun series to watch, especially if your team's losing to them. But, you know, if you're a Carolina fan and at the end of the Day. If you're hoisting that trophy in, in June, it doesn't matter how you did it, but yeah, this one, I think, I think you're 100, right. They have to score early. If I was the Capitals and, and you know, Carberry's done an unreal job there, I, I would just go full audit. I'd pull my goalie in the first period, get a six on five, why not in the first?

[PFT]

I hear you. The, the Canes are so dangerous on that counter attack when they, when they muck up the neutral zone. And I, I think our only power play goal is in a five on three situation. It wasn't five on four. And it seems that even when we've got a power play, the Hurricanes are the ones that are getting the better scoring opportunities on the counter attack. They're having more opportunities for, for shorthanded goals than we are having solid opportunities on a five on four. It's crazy watching. So credit to the Hurricanes. They're. They're obviously a very good team. I don't particularly like watching them play, but if there's, if there's a way to turn it around, I think that if the Caps win game five at home, it might go seven. That's my, that's my take. I got to do it one game at a time. If we win at home, then I think we're going to go into Carolina.

[Eddie]

Win game six, and I, I got to give a shout out to. And put some respect on. His name is, is Tom Wilson. Like, he's obviously, you know, he's been around a long time. He's an unbelievable player, but I think he is a bona fide star right now. Like he should be on that Olympic team, you know, got no one wants to play against them. He does everything for that team. Power play, penalty kill, five on five. Amazing leader as well. So I think, I think you got to talk about him a little bit more, how good he is and how much he can impact a game. And also Logan Thompson, he's been amazing. Like a couple bad ones in, you know, game three I didn't love, but, you know, he, he played decent last night. You know, he just, you know, he's getting no run support and, you know, but they are a team. They've done it all year. They've played well. They've, you know, they've, they've found ways to win games and I think, I think you're right. If they can go home and get a big win, get the momentum going, but, but it's that building in Raleigh too. It's a tough, tough building to play in. Like the. Unless you like, you know, chain restaurants. They get you when you land. You go into a chain restaurant, you're staying at a decent hotel, not great. And then you're going to the. The. The aways locker room's awful. So it's kind of. It's a mental game too, from the minute you land there to the minute the game's over.

[PFT]

Yeah, it might be loser talk. So I'm not going to say it but I. If I were to do loser talk, I would say it's important to remember in perspective this cap season was way better than anybody ever expected. I'm not going to say that obviously, because we're still playing. I'll say it. Yeah, Big Cat was about.

[Big Cat]

So I was gonna say like this cap season watching like it's way like we. We've outblown the expectations.

[PFT]

That's a. That's loser talk though. It's about winning the Stanley Cup.

[Big Cat]

But it's been an incredible season.

[PFT]

I'm not gonna say that.

[Eddie]

I mean if it ended today, we'd be happy with. Has fans of the Capitals and a puck. We would like it. And yeah, I mean obviously everything with. Oh what, what OVI did this year. I think. I don't know if their social media team did. Did a really good job just getting clips out of, you know, Carberry talking to the team. It just seems like such a cool tight knit group of. I've talked to their assistant coach there. He just says like the guys love each and you know, every. Every coach says that but like he said these guys absolutely love each other. We had James Van Reemsdyke on Chiclets yesterday and his brother's on that team and he said he went to his nephew's one first birthday and there was like 15, 20 guys on the team over at the. At his house for the. For the party. So you, you can tell that they're a, you know, galvanized group. They, you know, they love each other and easy team to root for. You know, I think everybody wants to see them move on here and just. You got to win one more. Just win one at a time. Pft. One at a time.

[PFT]

Eyes on the prize or agape or our team. We've. We lead the league in being agape. Are you familiar with agape?

[Eddie]

No.

[PFT]

That's our team motto.

[Big Cat]

It might, it might be the team motto of death.

[PFT]

We're a gape.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. We're wide open. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I got a strategy question for you, Yan's. Like, when we get deeper in the playoffs, you'll see teams switch up lines later in a series like, like the Blackhawks Quinnville used to do like Tazen Kane on the same line when, when it got like to game five, it's like you need a win. What does that, what happens in the locker room when the coach switches up the lines in like, like obviously you play defense, so he's probably not switching that up. But like what, what is the vibe like and what is like the mentality when it's like, all right, hey, we're loading up the first line and now everyone else has to figure it out.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it's kind of, especially in playoffs when it happens during the regular season, it's kind of like, oh God, you kind of like, hey, what, what about us? We can play with these guys too. But when it's playoff time and no one cares about their stats or all you care about is the wins. And you know, I think when you're in the locker room and you see like I could only if I was in the Edmonton locker room as a defenseman and you see on the board before the game, McDavid, Dry Seidel and whoever, Corey Perry, you are just itching to be on the ice with them because you know it's going to be fun. You know, you're going to have, you know, snap it around the offensive zone. You're going to, you know, you're going to be high flying. So I think a lot of it too is just kind of, and especially in playoffs too, like those other three lines have to be like, hey, we got to do our job of just, you know, holding the fort down a little bit, maybe pitch in with a goal or two and then we let these big dogs eat. And you know that that's the best part about playoffs is nobody cares what happens like where you're playing, whether you're a healthy scratch or not. If your team's winning, everybody's happy and, but, but especially as a, as a fan watching when the big boys get put on the same line and they're playing and, and it's kind of just like all out pond hockey. It's, it's so fun to watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the supercharged lines always like pump me up when I see it in later in playoffs. Like, oh, they're just going, they're going for it. They're just gonn like this line will win this game for the team. What about in terms of like the, the course of the playoffs. Cause you had some deep runs. Is there a point where, not that it drags on because playoff hockey and you're pumped, but where it's like, okay, this is where you have to, you know, focus a little bit more because exhaustion does start to take a toll.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it's probably, it's probably right now like halfway through the second, the second series is you're mentally, you're coming down from the high of being in, in the playoffs. Now you're traveling a little more. You know, you're not getting the sleep that you're getting every night or that you're supposed to be getting every night because you know your blood's pumping after the games. You, you got to be up having meetings and practices and whatnot the next day. So I think right now is probably that time where your body's like, holy, what are we doing to myself right now? And like, you know, you're really in the fight and. But it's also, at the end of the day, it's the best time of the year too because you're just playing hockey. That's all you care about. That's all you worried about. You're not dealing with at your kids school or you know, going to the grocery store to pick up stuff for your wife. It's strictly hockey and you know, that's why you play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

We got to talk about Miko Ranan because what he's doing is absolutely insane. Although they, they did prove that they can score without him. I think he had. How many goals in a row was it that he either assisted on? It was 13, 13 consecutive goals that he either assisted on or personally scored that. That streak came to an end in their last game. But he does have nine goals in six games. He's got nine assists in the postseason. Is this the, is this the craziest one man performance that you've seen in the playoffs?

[Eddie]

Yeah, I mean, I think just the whole, you know, everything surrounding it too, and with him being traded to Carolina, not wanting to get traded and then being flipped to Dallas and I love the fact it's almost a little NBA ish is like he. Most hockey guys would be like, oh yeah, it is what it is, it's the trade. But he's like, I wanted to, I wanted to come to Dallas so I could shove it up their ass. And yeah, and he did it and he. And he's got the entire hockey world like flipped on its head. He's got guys that used to play with him, you know, answering questions or you Know, why the hell did you trade them? You know, guys weighing in that used to, you know, play with them, even that aren't on the team anymore are weighing in on Twitter. And Nazem Kadri was like, this is why you don't trade the big boys. And, you know, it's bringing a little drama to the game, which is always fun. But he, you know, he's living up to his nickname of the horse, the big horse. And he is absolutely on a mission right now and to go into a team, you know, I think he only played, what, 10 or 12 regular season games with them, so it's not a ton of familiarity with your players. I know, I know. He's, you know, country mates with Rupe Hints, so they have a little chemistry together, but it's really hard to go in and, you know, not have that much time with a team and to be playing this good because, you know, a lot of tenant you get, you. You figure out how guys like to play where guys like the puck, the tendencies of, you know, where guys are going to be in the ozone D zone. And the fact that he's figured it out this quick and, you know, at the end of the day, I think he's just like, hey, boys, hop on my back and enjoy the ride. And he is, he is putting on an absolute clinic right now.

[PFT]

Yeah, of course. I love that nickname, the big horse. Yeah, I've heard, I've heard people call him the Moose, too. I don't know. Moose is another one. What's the difference between having a horse on your team and having a moose on your team?

[Eddie]

Well, when you got both of them, I mean, if you have two nicknames, it's a horse and a moose, you'd rather that? I don't know. I'd probably rather a horse because I feel like they're a little faster.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I mean, a moose is both beautiful animals too. So, I mean, I don't know. I'd rather have a horse. What would you rather have?

[PFT]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I think a moose.

[PFT]

For hockey, you got to have a moose.

[Big Cat]

Like, the moose is like cold weather, like Canada. Like, that's, that's.

[Eddie]

He's in Dallas, though, so he might die.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[PFT]

Yeah. It's a good point. When I hear people say, like, oh, yeah, we got this horse. I feel like that's a fast guy, scores a lot of goals, but you got to have a moose if you want to win a cup.

[Big Cat]

I, I actually, if, if I could do. If I go off script Here, I. I think I'd rather an ox. An ox is just built for work.

[Eddie]

He's legit. He is. I was talking to Whit about it the other day. Like, I remember my first couple years in the league playing against Yarm, Yager, and Wayne Gretzky. I remember in the pre. Pre scout meeting, he was like, hey, if he turns his back on you, like, you'll never get the puck because he was just so big and so strong and used his ass so good. And that's exactly how Rantman is. Ranting is the. You know, from when I played against Yager till when I played against Ranton, like, the two of the only guys that you're like, oh, my God, if he turns his back on you, there's no way of getting the pot because they're just so big and so strong and use the red. Just so good. And, yeah, he, He. He's a specimen. And I honestly do not know how they traded him.

[PFT]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy. So, all right, so in that series, the other question. Because that game is tonight, so we are taping before game four. Hellbach has been really bad on the road. It's crazy. I think he. They've had 10 games total in the playoffs, 34 goals he's given up, 21 of them have been on the road. So what is that? Like, is it mental? Is it. What's going on and is there a fix?

[Eddie]

I think the first series, he. He got a little bit too much heat, I think, because the play in front of him was awful. They. The games that they lost on the road against St. Louis, obviously he didn't play great. He let in a couple, you know, not so great goals. But I. I truly believe that the team was dog in front of them, too, that they were. They weren't playing their best. And, yeah, I heard an interview with Jesus, what's their captain's name, whatever, you know, and he, He. And he admitted it. He said that, you know, they. They weren't playing a Lowry. And he was like, we're not playing good in front of him. We're not giving him a chance to win. And, you know, they were taking accountability for it, but it's something you got to figure out if you're going to go on a run and win a Stanley cup, you got to win on the road at some point. And, you know, right now, I think Dallas is, Is. Is a team I, I see going further. I see them winning this series, and it's strictly because of Ottinger. Too, like, he does not get rattled. Whether he's home or away, he kind of plays the same game. He's not. Not like the goals that he's. That. Hello. Buck's given up. He looks like, you know, sometimes like. Like Skinner the other night, like, where he's way out of position, where goaltenders are usually never out of position and he's just not playing the game that he played all year. And, you know, when you win, I think this will be his third Vesna. And, you know, people just expect you to have a shout out every game. Obviously that's not going to happen. But. Yeah, I. I think he's also one of those guys, too. He. If he gets a road win, it could flip something in his brain where he just goes on a complete tear and. And it'll be tough to score against them.

[Big Cat]

All right, so obviously you're going to pick the Panthers to come out of the east, are you? Do you want it to be another Chiclet? Do you want it to be a Chiclet Stanley cup where it's you versus Wit, or you think that it's going to be the stars?

[Eddie]

I've said it from the beginning that it's going to be Panther stars, so I'm sticking with that. But. But this admin team does scare me a little bit. Yeah. Even thinking, you know, don't want to think too far ahead. But if it was a playoffs, you have a revenge tour of, you know, McDavid, you know, losing last year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You can just. You see the videos of him in the locker room, pissed off after throwing stuff around the locker room, and you can almost just see that as like the start of the dvd, the championship DVD for this year. So that. That stuff scares me a little bit. But, you know, we're still a long ways away from that. I. I'll still stick with Dallas coming out of the west and Florida coming out of the east and, you know, just another. No, no Tax City Stanley cup finals.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So if. So if the Oilers somehow hoist the cup, are you ready to pick up the slack and come on PMT more often? Because I don't think we'll ever be able to have Wit on again.

[Eddie]

I think Whit might move. Move to Edmonton and just become like, mayor or. Or coach or gm. I think he'll. But the good thing about him, he's not lost in the sauce. Like what? Like Biz is. And he played for the team like he organization. Yeah. I feel like Whit's been very calm this playoffs, which yeah, you know, it's respect. He's got three kids now, so maybe he's a little tired.

[Big Cat]

Perspective. Yeah. But we just can't like do the. The. He. He has been a lot more calm, but we can get him rattled by just saying Connor McDavid hasn't won the big one. Even though I love watching Connor McDavid play the game, I understand it's a team sport. I don't actually think like, he's a choker, but it's fun to say that, to wit, and watch him get upset.

[Eddie]

It is fun. And I mean, anytime Whit's upset is always fun because he gets really passionate about things and. And you know, he'd die for his team. He loves the Oilers. I think he's probably regretting them right now. You know, all year having to watch the late games and be up late and, you know, early wake ups at six in the morning with the youngins. Isn't that fun. But. But you know, he. He's a ride or die, you know, even through their tough times during the season, he sticks with them. And so you got. You got to give him respect. But I'd much rather Edmonton win than. Than Toronto and see Biz's antics.

[Big Cat]

True.

[PFT]

That's fair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Also, just remind Whitney that I think he retired a Panther. Right?

[Eddie]

I think, yeah. His last year in the NHL was Panthers. Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah. So if he goes in the Fame, then he goes in as a Panther. Panther.

[Big Cat]

Did he go to a camp with the Blues?

[Eddie]

He did, yeah. Him and. Him and Biz.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Well, what's crazy with Biz? I heard this on Chiclets the other day. Biz has. He's evolved from saying we. You know, with the Maple Leaf. Sometimes we do that on. Actually we do that a lot on part of my take, we're like we us when referring to the team. He's jumped all the way past that. Now he's saying I instead of we. He's saying like I gotta be better in the next game. Like he is. He's taken on the entire team as him. The. The ego on this guy is incredible.

[Eddie]

Did you, like. He's not working TNT and he's going back to his house in. Well, in Ontario. I need to find out where. He wouldn't tell me where he's watching the game and I need to. If I find out where he's watching the game, I will get Twitter just to tweet out where he's going to be and I will fly any Panthers fan where he is to torture him. The entire game. I. So if you guys could do me a favor and be like, hey, where are you watching the game? Because he won't see that. Actually. He'll never see this.

[Big Cat]

No, no.

[Eddie]

So he. If you could. If you could do that for me right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And usually, like, you don't even need. I don't even think you need a Panther fan. I think you need like a Biz super fan that just wants to talk his ear off.

[Eddie]

No, but he's so, like, he loves himself so much. He would love that.

[PFT]

He was seriously, like, I. I gotta do, but I gotta be better on the power play.

[Big Cat]

Play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

He's never played a minute of power plays in entire life. Him with, you know, they got five of the best players in the league on their power play, but it's his fault. You know, you should do have oldie. Oldie should text and be like, hey, where are we watching the game?

[PFT]

Yeah, good call, Good call. Yeah. Use oldie to get to him. He'll never see it coming.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT]

I think this all started because Whiz, like, or Biz got a. He got like a Maple Leafs jersey, right? Or like a jacket. The team sent him a jacket. And then like a little kid that gets a. Gets something from their favorite team, he now thinks that that's his team.

[Eddie]

No, no, the reason why he, he thinks he's a part of the team. Yes, because that Ambassador's jacket that Brendan Shanahan gave him. But he claims that when he was put on waivers from Pittsburgh, that Toronto, that Toronto and Phoenix put a claim in for him in the way that it works in hockey if, you know, you get put on waivers, anyone can claim you. And then if multiple teams claim you, whoever came in a lower position the year before.

[PFT]

Right.

[Eddie]

Gets you. So in Phoenix, they finished lower than Toronto. So he ended up in, in Phoenix, which I still don't even believe that because Toronto, I can't imagine they needed a guy like him back then. They had like Jay Rose Hill, they had Colt Moore, they had tough guys. And I can't imagine they wanted Biz at any point.

[PFT]

That's an all time stretch too, to be like, they. They kind of wanted me, I think.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

So now I've dedicated my life to them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

All right.

[Big Cat]

This has been awesome. I got one last question for you. It's a robot question. Rho b a-k.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. So my last question, very important question because you obviously hockey is your life. You love hockey. You want the league to grow, grow, grow. Are you worried at all for a potential Panthers, Hurricanes, Eastern Conference final and losing the Henry Lockwoods of the world because Hank has said he's out, he's out. If it's Panthers, Hurricanes.

[Eddie]

I mean that's probably what it's going to be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's so, he's out. So are you worried about losing the Hanks of the war world? No.

[Eddie]

I, I think Florida will, I think that the way that they play will kind of take away from the way that Carolina plays. They play so hard and fast. I think they'll kind of both teams will play like each other. Both teams will play more of a Florida style type game. I think they're just doing what they can do right now to, to Washington. It's a good game plan. They're suffocating them. But, but I think against Florida you got to have a completely different, you know, game plan and the game will be completely different. It'll be a lot faster, a lot more up tempo goal scoring and yeah. And even too when you're in the Eastern conference finals, it's, it's always must watch tv. So Hank will dial you back in and, and it'll be a fun series no matter what.

[Big Cat]

Did you hear Hank when we, when we started the playoffs, he said that he, he, he didn't know the Bruins didn't make it until he looked at the playoff schedule and didn't see them there.

[Eddie]

They were terrible.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he said he looked at the schedule. He's like hey, where's the Bruins game?

[Eddie]

Oh my God.

[Hank]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And you're the best. Everyone listen to spit. And Chicklets are doing awesome live shows too. During the week they're doing watch along. So they got the best hockey content this time of year by far all year. But especially this time of year. Thanks Chance.

[PFT]

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[Hank]

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[PFT]

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[Hank]

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[PFT]

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[Hank]

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[PFT]

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[Pablo Torre]

And now for something completely different.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is Pablo Torre. He is an investigative journalist, very good at it. And you can find him at Pablo finds out, which is his podcast which you launched what, a few months ago and it's been very successful.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, it's Been less than two years. I believe I have the credibility to quote Hank as a full journalism ist. So it's really good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So everyone go, go listen to. This is where the, the reporting on. Can we call her? Can we keep calling her Jordan? I know you stopped calling her Jordan.

[Pablo Torre]

I. I feel like you guys, you guys are empowered to do that. I miss it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Pablo Torre]

I miss the feeling when I listen to you guys. I'm like, oh, that felt. It always felt good to just read it the way that it's spelled. But when you. When you interview 11 separate fucking people about someone, it's like, I should probably just call her the way that she wants to be called.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

That slip back and forth. If you're doing that many interviews.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You lose track of the bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So, all right, so before we start, I think journalist to journalists, because we are journalists as well, I think we have to just lay all of our cards on the table and admit any of our bias or any. Any ulterior motives. We'll start. We're Team Jordan because Hank told us that if we ever want to get Bill Belichick on the show, we got to be Team Jordan. So we ride with our queen. Your reporting seems bad and wrong.

[PFT]

Which hunt. Which you have your sources. What about. What about our sources that say that you're just jealous of their love?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So that's our bias. Do you have any bias?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. I strongly disagree with Joshua L. Zuckerman, her former boyfriend of. Of some 60 years, sort of an age when he calls. Hold on, let me just get the review that I mostly disagreed with. And this wasn't in the episode, but when he called a Plavak Mali 2012 quote. So lovely, so perfect, so summery, so red, so strawberry, so refreshing, so lightly acidic. So watermelon. So strawberry, so lovely, so enjoy it. I felt that was a little bit. That was like a. That was a little much. That's not a five star review.

[PFT]

You have to admit, though, he landed the plan on that one with the so enjoy it.

[Big Cat]

And he came back. Yeah, he came back to the strawberry.

[Pablo Torre]

It was strawberry, so strawberry most of all. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. So. So talking real here, I guess, like from the start, the reason why your. Your podcast is successful and I enjoy it very much is you do do real journalism on sometimes trivial topics. And I would say this is probably a little bit of a trivial topic. Although there is some weird like, hey, this is the best coach of all time. What the hell's going on? So when did you start when you were Like, I'm gonna go down this path. Like, I'm actually going to figure out what is going on here.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah. So my show, the premise is explicitly, we take stupid things seriously and also serious things stupidly. And in this case, it started when we saw the super bowl commercial. And for those who are familiar with Jordan's. Jordan's Internet presence, you're like, oh, my God, she's in it. The girlfriend is in the ad. And I started making calls around why it is that she was in that super bowl ad, you know, the height of American success and commercialism. And it turned out that she had appointed herself Bill Belichick's agent and was the one negotiating with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And at that point, it was like, this is a stupid thing we can take seriously. But what I underestimated is the degree to which it was also like. Like a story about real power dynamics with the highest paid employee, a public employee in the state of North Carolina. And so, really, that episode, which we did in February of this year, ended up being this lighthouse where a lot of people behind the scenes were like, oh, my God, someone's finally noticing what our lives have been like behind the scenes as Bill Belichick launched, I think, like, a half dozen media properties simultaneously out of the same New Jersey studio where they do the NFL film stuff. And so it all was kind of weirdly coalescing in a very defined way. And that's when I said, I should probably just start making every call that I can.

[PFT]

So we appreciate you doing that, because the podcast was fantastic. I learned a lot. It was also fun to hear how you guys discussed it. One of the. One of the more explosive claims from it was the underdog commercial, that this was a pattern of Jordan inserting herself into multiple commercials now, where she said, okay, I've got an idea, maybe a better idea for this commercial where it's Bill and her at the pool. She's trying to get. Get his attention. You said that they might have filmed it, but they also might have just pretended to film it to satiate her and her request. Have we made any progress on that? Do we know if there's actually any film of this?

[Pablo Torre]

I am. I am actively working on acquiring confirmation around whether I can get that video that may or may not exist. That's a lot of clauses to sort of protect what? I don't know. Just know that this is. This is one of the. Look, I have holy grails in my life when it comes to videos. One of them was published on the show last year, it was the Knicks recruiting video for LeBron that had the last scene that James Gandolfini ever did as Tony Soprano in it. And also, you know, Jim Dolan's list of super friends all recruiting LeBron in the secret video we got that video, this one I am actively working on still. I can tell you, though, that when it came to how that scene unfolded, I mean, just imagine. Just imagine Bill Belichick showing up. He is this guy. This is, by the way, a lot of, like, New England fans on that set, right? So this is people who look up to Bill Belichick and they have to figure out, like, is Bill okay with what's happening? And Bill Belichick, I'm told, just, like, had no change in his face as his girlfriend showed up unilaterally deciding, I'm wearing a yellow polka dot bikini now and it's time for us to shoot a scene. And it was just like, okay, we gotta make this happen somehow. And I am tracking down the people who may actually have the answer to my question.

[Big Cat]

All right, so. So in terms of timeline, you were already investigating what was going on when the famous CBS interview happened, Is that right?

[Pablo Torre]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

So the CBS interview happens, and that was. It's. It's crazy because it felt like Jordan was basically trying to. Not she was trying to hide something, but it had the reverse effect where everyone was like, holy shit, what is this? And everyone started looking at it. So when that happens, are you like, oh, here we go. Like, this is. This is now going to be a huge story that people want to talk about.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I was really worried at first that I was going to be beaten on the story that I was very early on. But what ended up happening actually was that people felt like we were at a last straw kind of a moment. So a lot of the stuff with Carolina, frankly, the timeline of this, that stuff changed when it came to the administration and the higher ups at the university because of cbs. Look, a lot of the conversation behind the scenes has always been, who's going to tell Bill? Who's going to tell Bill that this is a problem. And the CBS thing was the number one example to date of just it being forced into a public forum in which every tabloid was demanding answers. And also CBS itself was saying, hey, this statement that was released about the agreement that Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick and CBS had, that's a lie. That's not true. And that is something that I reported as soon as it was happening. And I can confirm, yes, there Was no agreement, all that stuff. But that was the, it was really the tipping point that actually unlocked a lot of sourcing on this, which was good for me, as much as I feared it at first.

[Big Cat]

Do you have the footage of the CBS interview uncut? Because I would assume there was. From everything I've read, there was more than one interruption during the course of that interview. And obviously there's been reported that it was a 30 minute walkout.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, no, I've, I've, I've confirmed that there's like 30 minutes of video. It's a lot of her giving hand signals. You know, again, spy gate style, one might even say. Hand signals. That there are people who are on set at CBS who are really irritated actually that they haven't released it yet. Because this is, again, you guys, our instincts are the same here. Like, everyone would love to see that, but the comedy of like, what that was is that this was CBS Sunday Morning, right? So, like, they're like, we don't, we don't want to do that. They didn't want to do any of this. They handled this even, even the expose around, like, here is Jordan Hudson behind the scenes in the way that she didn't realize she was on camera. That was handled so classily that it just sort of indicates that they don't actually want to pick a fight about this. It's just that they were driven to the point where they couldn't do any of the other stuff that they wanted to do. Like what I was told about that day was, and I don't think I've said this elsewhere, but like, Belichick shows up late because he's on the phone. It's a recruiting thing. And so there's a bit of a, sort of like a mess as they show up. It's his old high school in Annapolis, Maryland. The whole thing was that was the Navy sweaters, by the way, like she said, says to people that she picks his clothes out for him, by the way. And so they have these Navy sweaters. His is full of holes. People have asked me, have you heard whether those holes are like, you know, if that's stolen valor, like the, the, the game wornness of it? Is that real? Did she take a car and run it over? A bunch of times that was asked to me and I was like, I, I don't know the answer to that question. But the thing about what happened was they never got to the part where they like actually say, and we're at the high school where Bill Belichick was and they do the walk and talk, you know, the walk and talk. Yeah, they never got to do the walk and talk because the thing exploded because of this question. That again, as everyone now has, has seen, I think, the acknowledgments of the book. Like, one of the first people he thanks is his idea mill and creative muse, who I am told separately did in fact come up with the idea for the book. And so when they asked the question, how'd you guys meet? The idea that this happened in that way is so flabbergasting to everybody that they had no choice but to acknowledge it in the thing they put on air.

[PFT]

So do you have any idea why she didn't want him to answer that question? I know it's been speculated that maybe there's a reality show coming out or some show between the two of them where she's like, that's, that's Rip. And so I want to save that. I don't want to give that away on, on CBS Sunday morning.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, the two theories, the two clubhouse leaders. And we don't look in fairness to Jordan Hudson. Right. Like, I emailed her, she did not respond. I don't know her point of view on these things. All I can do is report as exhaustively as I can around this stuff. But there are two clubhouse leading theories. One is the one that I also, yeah, I believe is quite real, is that she has this understanding of exclusivity where if she says something in one interview, she can't then sell it to a different outlet for a reality show, for instance. So another subplot of the CBS thing that I was told, by the way, that the whole thing they wanted to do at first, the original idea for it was not Annapolis, Maryland, it was North Carolina. And of course, everybody would. That's like good press. But Jordan was the one, or at least she had a very controlling interest in saying we can't do North Carolina because we're doing that for something else. And maybe that was going to be hard knocks, maybe that was going to be the other thing, but that was not. The whole high school thing was supposed to be North Carolina. And she was instrumental in saying we're not doing North Carolina. And so the next theory, just on top of that, and I don't think I've, I'm realizing how much I've spent just, I just, I didn't have enough time in the episode for all of this stuff, so my memory is being jogged now. But the other thing is that she didn't want to acknowledge her Actual age at the time that they met. And this was something that we pieced together because we pulled. And this is one of the creepiest things I'll ever say. We pulled Ms. Maine footage from last year. And you're like, she says, Jordan Hudson Hancock, 22. And that pageant was in March. Right. So last year, March 2024, she's 22. February 2021. Logically, she would be 19 years old.

[Big Cat]

Okay, 19, which I like. So obviously there's a big age gap that makes some people uncomfortable. Not going to disagree with that. But 19 and 20, they are both over 18. So that's the weird part to me why. I don't understand why, like, 19 and 20 makes a huge difference from their perspective. It's already. The age gap is already what it is. There's no.

[Pablo Torre]

Fully agree.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my whole thing here is not like, man, now we've crossed the line. It's. I don't frankly, like Bill Belichick's yums. I'm not here to yuck any of them. Them, like, whatever you want, dude. Like, I. It's just not my. Not my, not my issue. What I'm doing, though, is trying to figure out a consistency of, like, how she presents and tells the truth or not around who she is and what she's up to. And when it's coupled, all of that is coupled with this thing that I reported about how there is this staff directory, basically, that was passed around the UNC wives and girlfriends of the coaches in which she put her age as April 2000 instead of April 2001. Again, the exercise here, and this is. It's just. It's stupid, the degree to which we got into detail on this. But look at your keyboard. Look how far apart the 0 and the 1 are. Yeah, it's just hard to accidentally mistype your own birth date when the difference is 0, 0 or 01. And so people are saying, combined with Instagram sleuthing, and by the way, his health checks family is. Is in, again, in a parallel way, looking at all of this stuff even more deeply than me, you can imagine. And they're saying to themselves, hold on. There are these Instagram posts that used to have explicit, like, birthday details that have been edited out of posts. That's what I was told. I'm not. I. I'm not. I haven't gone through. I don't have the before and after on that. I just know that people have been noticing that she has been cleaning up what age she says she is.

[PFT]

Have you gone back at all through, like, the Manning cast, all the appearance, all the appearances that like, Belichick made in the media from his house or from his studio. Is she like, behind the scenes running the camera on that? Is she? Can we go back and say, like, oh, she's in the room for all this?

[Pablo Torre]

What I can tell you is that when he filmed things that NFL Films, Mount Laurel, New Jersey, that big headquarters, like the only media companies ever trusted, because he's again, a football guy the utmost way, in a real way, NFL Films was his thing. The president of NFL Films, by the way, that dude started as, as a guy who was with the O1 Patriots, like, doing the behind the scenes footage. So, like, he's had a deep trust there. What I can tell you is that when it came to, when he was filming stuff, those shows inside the NFL, the underdog show, the McAfee stuff, the Peyton stuff, it was all out of this one set. And the people on those shows, dozens of people, all say that she was around all of the time.

[PFT]

Them.

[Pablo Torre]

So literally, I don't think she was behind the camera, but physically, I think she might have been somewhere behind the camera. It was just all happening at the same time over last summer, that off season, and she was there always.

[PFT]

So what we've seen since the, since the pod came out and since the CBS Sunday Morning thing came out is kind of a. The. The UNC brass is kind of clearing things up or they're issuing public statements saying that, that she does not work for the program. She's Bill's personal social media person. Personal PR person. Doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. And then today, Belichick said that he's excited to be back in meetings. He's probably the first person who's ever said that. And that she has nothing to do with UNC football. And so is that something that's changed in the last week?

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, yes. This is, this is my whole thing about the ban. This is like the weird nature of this story is that the CBS thing opened the floodgates, as you guys detected. And what happened since is this power struggle behind the scenes from the very top of the university, telling the football program in a meeting, she can't be around anymore. We don't want her around anymore. She won't be around anymore. And that message got out around the program. And simultaneous to that has been the hiring of a PR guy who is very notably very different from Jordan Hudson. Guy who used to work for the Bears, actually. Guy who used to.

[Big Cat]

Who's.

[Pablo Torre]

Who's like a legit. Just like a friend of mine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Normal, Totally normal, like, competent guy who's. Who, I presume. I haven't spoken to him. Brandon Faber, right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's very, very, like, he's very good at his job. Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

And I think one of the ways you can be good at your job is to just remember that, like, oh, wait a minute. Bill Belichick loves football. And the more he talks about football and the less that he has to talk about Jordan Hudson, the better. And so everybody behind the scenes has. And this is from his family to his inner circle. Right. So Matt, Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Mike Lombardi, those guys who did nothing, by the way, to stop Jordan Hudson from basically running the show behind the scenes. Everybody is now finally like, oh, my God, we have our opening to finally make sure that the thing that she was. Which is cc'd on every single email at Carolina by Belichick's request. That's what the foyer records were by the New York Times and the Athletic, which they did scoop me on. And I, I, I am still irritated that I didn't get those emails. But that stuff, they're undoing that piece by piece. And Belichick saying she's off to the side. That's a personal relationship. Right. That is very different from the statement after the CBS thing in which, of course, Jordan and Bill released a statement saying, we have a personal and professional relationship. And the UNT part has always been, wait a minute, does this mean Belichick Productions, or does this mean Carolina Football? Because Carolina Football is the place where everybody's terrified that this is undoing the whole, the whole notion of hiring Bill Belichick in the first place.

[Big Cat]

So this is, this is at its core, a very relatable story in that everyone knows a friend who maybe had a significant other who they didn't really approve of. But you can't be the guy who says, hey, I don't like your girlfriend, or, I don't like your boyfriend, because you know that that will just drive a wedge in your friendship with them. And now that all this has come out, they finally have their opening to be like, hey, just like, we've been thinking this for a while and now we can act on it.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes. It's the equivalent of, like, one day, you know, the, the hopefully future ex girlfriend of your best friend, she sends a text and you're like, I think we have our way in to start the conversation that all of us have been too afraid to talk about. Like, instead of one Text. It's been a series of public interviews and behind the scenes masters that have followed her. And again, the whole thing about why is she so bad? I want to make clear I don't think she's like a super villain. I don't think any of that. I just think she's a deeply ambitious young person that weirdly like the parallel, the most generous parallel I can give her is that it's as if your friends started dating like Mark Zuckerberg one day and that guy just thought he knew how to do everything. And the unintended consequences of what he was building ended up costing a lot of people their sanity. And I think that there is just a, there's an ambition here. Without a knowledge of how the industries she's trying to take over works. And that, that has been something that people have been repeatedly saying.

[PFT]

It's like Bill Belichick is, has become a vehicle for her ambitions for, for everything that she, she's just like channeling everything that she thinks she knows about the world through Bill, who has a big presence already. And so now she's got a big platform with which to make these mistakes that maybe somebody just starting in the industry might make on a low key basis.

[Big Cat]

And she's.

[PFT]

And she's. And she's very driven.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And successful and well, people and, and philosophy.

[Big Cat]

A lot of people out there who are business owner intimidated by motivated women.

[PFT]

And also the whole part about asking about her age, Pablo, I think that's a little uncouth.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That we said that. I don't know if you heard that part, but we were. That. That actually is illegal. You never ask a woman's age.

[Hank]

So jail for you did feel checkmated.

[Pablo Torre]

It is weird for me to feel checkmated on wokeness by you guys, but I do feel.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

On that.

[PFT]

Well, that's us. Yeah, that's us. I, I did have a question. I asked this on, on the last podcast because it just occurred to me, me with the timeline of everything, is there a chance that she had anything to do with build not getting any NFL jobs?

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, it's a really good question. And so the time.

[Big Cat]

This is question.

[Pablo Torre]

This is, this is, this is truly good question. The reason why, the reason why it's relevant to me is because I have been thinking about how to confirm just the timeline of when they started dating. And so you know when Big Cat is asking like, isn't this kind of like you have a friend who has this, this significant other that you don't like and are afraid to say. So the other parallel question I have from real life is like, when did Bill Belichick dtr? Like, when did he. How do you, how does one define the relationship with Bill Belichick? Because what I can tell you is that people started seeing Jordan Hudson in Bill Belichick's. So there are these outdoor seats he has, not in a box, but in Gillette, like out in the end zone. I think it's section 120, although so not reporting that. I'm just, that's what I have been told to section 120 ish. And in November 2021, Jordan Hudson was sitting there. And so again, but is that, is that, is that having DTR'd, is that just like, oh, a guest, a friend.

[Big Cat]

Like, Right.

[Pablo Torre]

Are they friends with any degree of whatever? Like, I don't know. But I just know that it happened very soon after, actually they met on that plane in February 2021. In terms of her showing up up around the Patriots, actually. So this was definitely during his NFL tenure in a quite noticeable way.

[PFT]

Did she design that stupid lighthouse at Gillette? It wouldn't shock me if she was behind.

[Big Cat]

I don't like your tone.

[PFT]

If she was behind that fake light.

[Big Cat]

No, but then it would be a work of art.

[PFT]

Yeah. If you know the motivation behind it, then you can truly understand the story behind the lighthouse. But as it stands, it's just a piece of kitsch. Yeah, but if we knew that she was involved, then you truly understood. Begin to see the depth of the artist's brain.

[Pablo Torre]

Yes, he does love a nautical theme, you know, not reporting that. He does love fishermen and stuff. So I'm just saying.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, what's up? PFT pointed this out the other day on our group text and I did see, I think the New York Post might have reported about it. What's up with the ring camera stuff? So there was the famous Bill Belichick leaving a house, farting in a ring camera. And then there was an article I read yesterday that was like, like the family is now worried that how did this get out and who might have leaked this.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I, I think I might be the person who inspired the sort of like dominoes of aggregation that got to you guys on the family being worried about this video. So the video, I think for most people got, got to be a thing because of the Tom Brady roast. So the Netflix roast. Tom Brady makes a joke around how his favorite ring is actually the ring camera video. Belichick, like, shirtless, wandering around on a porch. Somewhere in presumably Massachusetts. The pieces then were reported, I think, by the Daily Mail or something. It's hard to keep track, but, like, it was identified as. Like, this is outside of Jordan Hudson's home. It's important to realize, though, that the video first got released on the Internet in 2023.

[PFT]

Yep.

[Pablo Torre]

So this was way before even I was really aware of the story or tracking.

[PFT]

And we reported on it in 2023. Yeah, yeah, we. We broke that. Yeah.

[Max]

Well.

[Pablo Torre]

Well, then the question I have for you guys is, you know, logically speaking, how would one get that video?

[PFT]

Right.

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT]

That's what I was thinking. I. I just. I was driving home from work. I texted the guys. I was like, do we think that. That she released that video? And if so, why would. What would her angle be? And the only angle I could think of and what we know about Jordan would be that maybe she was pressuring Bill to be public with the relationship.

[Pablo Torre]

The worries that have been expressed on the Belichick family side, I think should be a little more specific here. Because just imagine, forget about the parallel. It's like you and your friend who's, like, roughly your age, dating some woman who is just a nightmare in some ambiguous fashion. Think about if now it's your dad, and he's almost 70, and he's hanging around with some people who love being online, who are in their middle, really early 20s, and there's this video that shows up in which your dad is shirtless. Like, the first question I have is not, wow, that's. That's. How did that. I mean, really, it's not even how did that get out there? It's what other videos are there?

[Big Cat]

Right, right.

[Pablo Torre]

And who has access? And so the question is, like, look, is that. I don't know. So one of the. One of the. I'll confess to you a bit about how my reporting process goes, because I get this video, the ring camera video, and I'm like, I. I don't have a good way of, like, nailing down geographically, like, whose house this even is, even if it's been identified by various tabloids as Jordan Hudson's house. And I don't want to take that for. For fact. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy Rainbolt, who's the. The geoguester guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's incredible.

[Pablo Torre]

And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this. Please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery, like, where was this camera? Who had access to it. And again, the nightmare for me, purely hypothetically, is she's got some friends. Again, like, if your friend was dating Bill Belichick and you didn't know how serious it was, do you think you would maybe get some images or videos sent to you privately of Bill Belichick? That would be the question that I think any decent son, daughter, nephew, niece would ask about their 70 year old relative.

[PFT]

Yeah. And again, it does feel like a lot for somebody that's Jordan's age to deal with all this stuff. So it, I'm not saying it's definitely her that released it. She could have like sent that to her friends.

[Pablo Torre]

No idea.

[PFT]

I'm dating Bill. And they're like, no, you're not. And like, yeah, this is him leaving the house the other day. And then that's how it gets out. Out. That's a possibility. I just don't think that. I don't like the idea of Bill Belichick around secret cameras. That's not the Belichick way. That's not the same guy.

[Pablo Torre]

Definitely not.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Listen, and we should say all the stuff that Jordan has on her plate right now, it's actually impressive. Like, I don't know how she does it, but she does, she does.

[PFT]

And. And she stays looking good too, while she does it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How does this end, Pablo?

[Pablo Torre]

June 1st is the date that I think is the first sort of crossroads. Right. And so Belichick, as we speak here, having just said off to the side, personal relationship, she's not in any way associated with UNC football, de facto sort of confirming that the side of the power struggle that is said, we need her to be in the background for PR reasons, if nothing else, that side seems to be winning. And so the June 1 date, which was always about this, by the way, it was weird before all of this, right? The buyout clause going from $10 million to 10 times less than that. Like why, why, why would that be? Well, presumably it was because Bill wanted an out clause for the NFL. Now it seems like that is an out clause in case he wasn't really in charge in the way that he demanded to be in charge. And so him publicly going along with this now and saying, listening to everybody in his life, seemingly, but Jordan Hudson and saying, okay, she's not involved. That means that June 1st, if we're reading the tea leaves here, is less of a red button being pressed. Sort of like this is all going to fall apart immediately. But looking ahead to the summer, right, like, you guys know how college football Works. They're getting out, they're getting out of town. Right. It's the summer. Like no one's really around the building. Like recruiting sure is still going on. But the whole question is, while everybody is off minding their own devices, literal and figurative, in the case of Jordan Hudson and our theories, is anything else going to happen that would demand some other bit of public crisis management? If the answer is no, I think that week one, him being the coach there totally makes sense. But just historically speaking, in a very short amount of time, really, this statement from Belichick at the ACC meetings in which he said off to the side, personal, not involved with UNC in any way is the first time he's really said that. And so if that is the mode, I think this is a lot calmer, but it's also the first time we've heard it. And I've seen a lot of the pendulum swinging towards a lot of people being panicked behind the scenes.

[PFT]

It's going to be crazy once they get to the ACC coaches day where the media gets to ask questions of everybody. Like Bill Belichick sitting in front of a group of reporters. It's going to be huge. And they're going to be asking a lot of questions about her. He's not going to like. He might. If I was Belichick, you know what I do? I just open the book on deflate gate. At that point I just be like, I'm only here to talk about.

[Big Cat]

Throw him some red meat.

[PFT]

Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

The ideal gas law. Does anyone talk about the idea? Ideal.

[PFT]

Yeah, let's revisit all the stuff I never wanted to talk to you about. Or you can just ask about long snappers and we'll talk for like five minutes about that too. So. Yeah, I mean this is a crazy story. Thank you for. For your journalist journalism on it. Journalisms.

[Big Cat]

What would you. What did you say, Hank? Journalism ist. Yeah, journalism is.

[PFT]

Yeah, we appreciate, we appreciate the service that you did there.

[Big Cat]

Do you have any questions for Pablo? Hank, now he doesn't want to be.

[Hank]

No, you guys, you guys done a good job.

[Pablo Torre]

Okay, man.

[Big Cat]

Thanks. Team Jordan too.

[Pablo Torre]

Does Max have a question? I just.

[Big Cat]

Max, you got a question for Pablo?

[Max]

I think you're doing a flawless job.

[PFT]

Flawless job. That's. That's pretty.

[Big Cat]

Max, you remain Team Jordan.

[Pablo Torre]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Team. I have one last question for you, Pablo. It's a rollback question. Rho b a c k.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers. Shorts roback.com promo code. Take in your reporting. And again, everyone go, go watch and listen to the the episode. It was released on Friday. Pablo Finds Out. What Pablo Tory Finds out is the official name of the podcast. Has there ever been someone from Jordan's camp that has reached out to you? Has there ever. Has anyone said, hey, what are you doing?

[Pablo Torre]

I have requested comment from North Carolina. No response. I've requested, I mean, 40 different FOIAs, which got annoying. So I apologize, actually, to Carolina on that. It got to be just a bit. They replied to none of them. I emailed Jordan Hudson at an address, her email that I got that I know is hers. No response. The Belichick camp, obviously him personally. No response. If this is our long way of saying, you know Jordan Hudson, I am looking to maybe have you, maybe we could do a joint interview with her.

[Big Cat]

Maybe we'll take her side.

[PFT]

We'll be behind the scenes, sitting in chairs, being like, don't answer that question.

[Big Cat]

She's actually our boss now. I, you probably heard that part. Yeah, she's our boss.

[PFT]

Wait, wait.

[Pablo Torre]

The interview in which we recreate the CBS Sunday Morning interview. But you guys are Jordan and she is built.

[PFT]

We're her.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT]

That's how much we care about her.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, she is our boss, though, for part of my cheesesteak.

[PFT]

We're deeply ambitious people, Pablo, and she is the perfect vehicle for us to channel all this energy that we have. So, yeah, we're happy to do that.

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, my God. If she does, I promise to tell the geoguessr rainbow guy to stop looking for that house.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

I mean, that's credit to you. That's a, that's an ingenious way of trying to figure out exactly where that house is located. That guy's an expert. That guy could testify, by the way.

[Pablo Torre]

So we think that guy is just like, on the up and up. Right. Because I've also been like, I don't know how this works. I just have no evidence that this is.

[Big Cat]

No, he's really good.

[PFT]

It would ruin me if he wasn't.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I, I, he's really, really good at it. So I think, and there are people I've seen, we have some people in this office who are very good, accomplished geoguess. So I know that, like, it is a skill that you can hone in, like, whether it be architecture, trees, the sun, all this stuff.

[PFT]

Yeah. Types of grass.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You can study cement.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And figure it out that way.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

It's the indoor stuff. Sometimes he's like, he's like a mall. And he's like, oh, this mall is in Nairobi. And I'm like, yeah, how does, how does photographic memory.

[PFT]

I, I, I do have one more question for you. I had one, one issue with the reporting. You spoke with somebody that said that Jordan is, what was the exact term that, that you use? The worst person I've ever met. And I've worked with sociopaths.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I want to fight that.

[PFT]

Something along those lines.

[Big Cat]

Lines.

[PFT]

Has this person ever met Josh McDaniels?

[Big Cat]

Good question.

[PFT]

I, it might be Josh McDaniels, actually, because he would be the only person in that circle that could say that.

[Big Cat]

He doesn't have any mirrors in his house.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I guess for journal, for journalism, mystic reasons, I cannot actually answer that question.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

My goal for how this ends is we get Jordan on and you just like pull your hair out listening to us be like, yes, queen.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We just, we don't ask her any questions.

[PFT]

All softballs. How do you do it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, how, how are you? How do you work so hard and look so glamorous? First question.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, my response, my response to that would be to immediately go and buy a bottle of Plavic Molly Tweed.

[Big Cat]

Wait, Read us that review again. The two strawberry.

[Pablo Torre]

Yeah, I mean, look so lovely, so perfect, so summery, so red, so strawberry, so refreshing, so lightly acidic. So watermelon. So strawberry. So lovely. So enjoy it. 5 stars.

[PFT]

So enjoy it.

[Big Cat]

When we get back.

[PFT]

I love strawberry.

[Big Cat]

That's when I really want it.

[PFT]

I got, I got one more question for you. Just something, you know, out of curiosity. I don't know if you came across any of this while you were interviewing people. Do you any details about their love life?

[Pablo Torre]

Oh, man, look, I don't have journalistic misery speaking. I don't have those specific details. What I can tell you though is that when it comes to how Jordan Hudson's sort of, and again, not yucking any yums, like her point of view on, on, on the spectrum of human love, I think is probably maybe helpfully expressed by a certain museum and shop that her mom, Lee Hudson, operates as the business manager in Provincetown, Massachusetts. And I don't really know how it is that this keeps happening, but this is an episode that also contains a detail around a 20. No, just want to get the math right. A 28,000 year old dildo in that museum. And I keep on having to be the guy to say I don't have the answers to that, but I can point you in a direction where it would suggest that there's a great spectrum of possibilities in terms of the answer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Bill is a. He's a student of history.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Loves history.

[Big Cat]

He does. He does. Pablo, by the way, if you. If your next investigation is going to be how the NBA rigged the lottery for the Mavs, we are happy to talk on record. We realized afterwards we were invited. We got credentials. They showed us the room, they gave us a free buffet, and then we walked out, and we realized that they just used us, which we. If you give us credentials and free food, we'll. We'll. We'll. We'll carry water for anyone. So we were used last night as pawns. And we're dumb. We're very dumb.

[Pablo Torre]

I. What I would ask you guys is the next time you are accidentally invited backstage into what might be a journalistically explosive room, just text me, and I'll be like, hey, maybe you guys should stay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Your ombudsman, maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

Because now I. I'm mad that we don't actually have the answer to that question.

[Big Cat]

Well, the problem was pft. And I started pulling out cash, and they're like, all right, tour's over. Yeah.

[PFT]

They let the outdoor cat inside, and they quickly. Quickly realized we still got our claws. And they're like, we got to get this guy out of the room. Ernst and Young guy is over here looking over their shoulders.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If there's an inappropriate joke to be made, we're gonna make it. And then have, you know, quietly be told that, hey, this is time to go to the buffet, guys.

[PFT]

We will be witnesses, though, though. I mean, we. We were there. We. We saw it in person. I'm sorry. I saw it in person. This is rigged for money.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

It just is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I once talked to David Falk, Michael Jordan's, of course, former super agent, about. Because he was also Ewing's agent. And I asked him about the whole, like, frozen envelope theory and the Michael Jordan retirement because of gambling stuff. And what David Falk told me was, number one, the Jordan stuff is total bullshit. That doesn't make any sense. But number two, the frozen envelope thing, he was like. Like, yeah, that makes sense.

[PFT]

Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And what happened last night makes a lot of sense.

[Big Cat]

Makes a lot of sense.

[PFT]

It really does. But it's still. And we'll look into it, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we'll.

[PFT]

We'll let you know what we find out, because I would. I would trust your reporting on this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pablo Torre]

I think we should collaborate on an investigation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Chiefsaholics in jail. So that one's Kind of.

[PFT]

Yeah, we. Yeah, I had to cross working on what we have. We got. I'm sure that there's some. There's some theories that we've been working on behind the scenes. Well, we could do.

[Pablo Torre]

We could do. I mean, look, look, far be it for me to overstep my bounds as a first time guest, but longtime awl, if I may call myself that, which is a real unilateral decision. I'm just saying I've always been interested in the lost footage around Barstool Van Talk. And I may or may not know a guy who may or may not have been involved in that backstage decision. And I may or may not be somebody who actually wants to see that happen. Just saying that episode two is another bit of a piece of footage that maybe there's something there.

[PFT]

Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it might have just been a long. A long joke on us by. By Johnson.

[Pablo Torre]

Skipper didn't turn the camera on for that one.

[Big Cat]

It was. Yeah, it was the predecessor to. For Nathan. For you.

[PFT]

It was Jackass John Skipper's like, all right, these guys totally think they're making a show. We're gonna cancel after one week.

[Big Cat]

I'm waiting for the. The John Skipper, Nathan for you episode to come out for Personal Van Talk. These guys thought they had a show. That'd be great. All right, well, Pablo, thank you so much. We appreciate it. And now that you've been a recurring guest, you got to come back on whenever we ask. So we'll. It will happen soon.

[Pablo Torre]

I. I hesitate to imagine what my life is going to be like in general going forward. So anytime. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Appreciate it.

[PFT]

I also wonder if Jordan. Michael Jordan has met Jordan.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Eddie]

Oh, boy.

[PFT]

The UMC connection. Yeah. Jordan, Jordan. The most ambitious of all time.

[Pablo Torre]

Ryan Gordon is a meme that is available for someone to.

[Big Cat]

Not for our queen.

[PFT]

No, no, no way. Not for us.

[Big Cat]

All right. Thanks, Pablo.

[Pablo Torre]

Thank you, guys.

[PFT]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, let's wrap up. We got guys on chicks. Hank. Yeah, yeah, Guys on chicks.

[Hank]

So I heard about you guys doing Scrotox, which is Botox free balls. What's your take on this? I heard about guys.

[PFT]

Can I give you.

[Hank]

I heard about guys. You guys.

[Big Cat]

Can I give you a little bit of.

[PFT]

Can I give you a note?

[Hank]

And would you do that to keep things nice and tight? My husband claims he has no idea what that is, but I'm not sure if he's lying or not to save face.

[PFT]

Hank. So in the interest of our listeners out there, because first and foremost, we care about the listeners, can we. Can we try that with a little more energy?

[Big Cat]

Just be Hank. Think we've already hashed it all out.

[PFT]

Yeah, we're all good.

[Big Cat]

Show. We're good.

[PFT]

We moved on.

[Hank]

So I heard about guys doing Scrotox, which is Botox for your balls. What's your take on this? Would you do this to keep things nice and tight?

[PFT]

I. I personally don't care what my scrotum looks like.

[Big Cat]

I don't either. I do. Do girls care what scrotums look like? I feel like girls know that balls are weird. Yeah, like, balls are just weird.

[PFT]

The. The male body is weird.

[Big Cat]

Here.

[PFT]

Breaking news.

[Hank]

Like, guys want to see girls boobs. I don't think girls want to see guys balls.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're not like, oh, my gosh, what a pair of balls you got on you.

[PFT]

Yeah, the. The female body is beautiful. It's curvy, it's artistic, it's smooth. It's. It's wonderful to look at. The male body is just absolutely disgusting.

[Hank]

They don't want to see B.

[PFT]

No, no, they do not want.

[Hank]

They don't want to see plain B.

[Big Cat]

A little bit of D, Not a lot of B. Probably not any of the A. I.

[PFT]

Just think that women would probably be cool with it if our balls were inside our bodies. If we just had internal balls, they'd be fine with that. They wouldn't, like, miss them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Balls are meant to show other guys, right?

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Max]

That's way. It's way cooler to show your boys your balls than anything.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely. And. And so under this, like, do not get Scrotox, because if you got Scrotox and showed your boys your Scrotox balls, everyone be like, dude, what the are.

[PFT]

Those balls are for humor.

[Big Cat]

Which one? Which. Which which ball hangs lower for you guys?

[PFT]

My left.

[Big Cat]

My left. Is it always left?

[Max]

I think.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Max]

I think everyone's left ball is bigger than their right.

[Big Cat]

Is that true?

[PFT]

I don't know. My left. My left definitely does.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, mine is. That's crazy. I thought, I thought it was like kind of a, you know, everyone's different left to right.

[PFT]

I think maybe if you're. If you're left handed, does your right ball hang lower?

[Big Cat]

Maybe. In most individuals, the right testicle is slightly larger than the left. What, so we're abnormal?

[PFT]

Well, no, I don't think that matters about hanging lower.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

I don't think it's just grabbing.

[Big Cat]

I would think that it's heavier.

[Max]

Wait, are we all wrong?

[PFT]

You're looking up testicle. Testicle being bigger.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Which hang. We're talking about hanging.

[PFT]

I will say this scrotex looks kind of lit.

[Big Cat]

You're looking at scrotex balls right now.

[PFT]

No, no, the definition.

[Big Cat]

Oh. Lead to smoother.

[PFT]

Potentially larger appearing and reduces sweat. Reducing sweat is good. Cell.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's good. Can I get scrotex for like my grundle? That's where the sweat is the problem. All right, so the left tang's lower for most people. Is there anyone out there who has Right. That's kind of weird.

[PFT]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

That's like a unicorn.

[PFT]

The reason. The reason different Max is cherry right now, by the way.

[Big Cat]

Max is literally checking. I watched that move. He's checking his balls.

[PFT]

The difference is the reason in the spermatic cord for most guys.

[Big Cat]

I didn't know we had a spermatic cord.

[PFT]

Yeah. Is that just like the, the thing that it hangs on the rope?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't understand any of that.

[PFT]

Yeah, so don't.

[Big Cat]

I never understood. I always was very confused even. Still am as a 40 year old man. Like, how do you. How do you pee and piss out of the same hole? How do you. How do you come and piss out of the same hole?

[PFT]

I. I do find it amazing though, that guys are just like, you know what's really gonna. You know what could impress chicks is if my balls were. Were less wrinkly. Like, that's not. It's not gonna work.

[Hank]

There's a little. There's a little what? There's a little.

[Big Cat]

There's two holes.

[Hank]

Little bridge in the middle.

[Big Cat]

There's not two holes.

[PFT]

There's one hole. Hank, do you have two holes?

[Big Cat]

Do you think there are two holes? But he just. I, I don't know if that was a Joke.

[Max]

As soon as Hank said two holes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That'S the answer for girls.

[PFT]

That is true.

[Big Cat]

The girls do have two holes, but.

[PFT]

It'S part of the one larger apparatus. Guys, do you have two holes?

[Big Cat]

Do you have two holes?

[Hank]

I'll double check, but I'm pretty positive I got one hole.

[Big Cat]

Okay, it sounds like you're a two hole guy.

[PFT]

You have an in hole and an outhole.

[Hank]

I got two side holes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it sounds like you got holes like a super.

[PFT]

Like.

[Big Cat]

A trump trumpet.

[Max]

I think that's the little dicky thing.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

From the show.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Hey, Kenny Stone.

[Big Cat]

Boys. Come on now.

[Hank]

Worried about the Celtics, Hank? Double vacation, Max. I'm having an issue with fellow awl who keeps ghosting me. I met this guy on Hinge a couple years ago. We went out on one date. I thought it went well, and we had bonded over our love for pmt. But I didn't hear from him again after that. Last summer, he liked me again on Hinge, but I didn't really take the bait. Then last week, he liked me again, but this time his opener was joking about Max at the White House, so I couldn't resist. After a couple days of messaging and seemingly hit it off, he's gone ghost again. What's this guy's deal, dude?

[Big Cat]

Get it together. What is he doing?

[PFT]

Yeah, I don't know. Ghosting has, like, a pretty wide definition these days. I feel like back in the day before Hinge, like, people just kind of stopped talking sometimes. It was no big deal, but you have like one conversation with somebody and then you stop. Then it's like a big thing like, oh, I got ghosted. You have to establish, I think, a pattern of actually talking before you can actually be ghosted, Right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it sounds like they're talking. Not anymore, but they were. And then he just went. And he's done this a couple times. I think he's just a serial ghoster. Get it together, dude. You're putting a bad name on aw else. Like, we'll go to this wedding.

[PFT]

I'm gonna pass.

[Big Cat]

No, no, Max will go to this wedding.

[Max]

I'm happy that I was involved in a pickup line. That's pretty. That's pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

That is.

[PFT]

I mean, here's what you do. Just send him the clip of this conversation right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

And be like, hey, you just respond to her.

[Big Cat]

Get off the pot. And we will send. I'll. I'll say this way. We will send a representative of pardon my take to the wedding.

[PFT]

Hey, dude, she wants to bang.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah, she can't be any. She wants to bang so bad that she. She wrote into a podcast to ask for advice on how to get to bang you.

[Big Cat]

What do you think the face on these two lovebirds who are going to end up getting married and having a beautiful life together? What do you think their face is going to say when Shane walks into their wedding? We give him a PMT pin. Well, we sent our representative. What are you going to do?

[PFT]

He's got a GoPro on like he's live streaming, like a surrogate.

[Big Cat]

We couldn't send Shane because he would totally dick down the bride.

[PFT]

Same with pug.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe wiper can go. Okay.

[Hank]

My husband, 27, and I, 28, have been together for seven years and have lived together for six of them. We have two kids. He works full time and I stay home with the kids for as long as we've lived together. He's only ever done his laundry sporadically and other times I am the one doing it. My question is, do all guys wait so long to do their laundry that they end up having to wear shorts as un underwear or no underwear at all because they've simply worn all their underwear but won't do their laundry?

[PFT]

Yes.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT]

Yes. That's a fact.

[Big Cat]

And jeans, sweatshirts, Those can be reworn.

[PFT]

Yeah, yeah. Now if you're putting on jeans without underwear, then now we're talking emergency. Yeah, that shouldn't happen at that age.

[Hank]

I've discovered that my. My building has a laundry room and it's. It's changed my life because I can just do like five loads of laundry at once.

[PFT]

That's a massive, massive win. How long did it take you.

[Hank]

What do you mean?

[PFT]

To find out that your building had a lot.

[Big Cat]

Well, you have in. You have in unit, though.

[Hank]

Yeah, but my dryer sucks. It takes twice as long to dry than to wash. You can't really get enough.

[Big Cat]

Cleaned it out.

[Hank]

No, it's just like the time thing. Like it.

[Big Cat]

Are you sure you've cleaned it out?

[Hank]

Has nothing to do with cleanliness of dryer.

[PFT]

It's just like the lint trap.

[Big Cat]

Have you cleaned out the lint?

[PFT]

Yeah, it's the lint trap. You don't know about the lint?

[Hank]

Oh, no, we've done this before.

[Big Cat]

Have you taken out the lint trap? Okay, okay.

[Hank]

That's not the issue.

[PFT]

Is there another filter?

[Hank]

It's when you click normal start, it says like hour, like whatever, hour 20. And the regular laundry washer takes 45 minutes. Well, that can't really get.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's every.

[Hank]

It's usually like 45 and 60, whatever.

[Big Cat]

But that is every. Every dryer. It does take longer to dry than to wash.

[Hank]

This is too, too long. What? It doesn't matter. I've solved the issue.

[PFT]

I, I, I recently, I recently made the, the maybe the bougiest move that I've made. Got a, a brand new drying and washing appliance.

[Hank]

Can't even keep your clothes, dude.

[PFT]

Yes, that's true. That's valid. I'm on a hot streak, though. I re upped on, on the wardrobe. I got a steam closet, which is like a little. It looks like a portable closet that you have in your house. And you, if you have something that you like to wear again and it doesn't need a full wash, like a sweater or like sweatpants or jeans, you just hang it up in this thing for like 20 minutes and you hit a button and it steam cleans it. And you don't even have to like wash it or dry it. It's actually great.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome.

[PFT]

It's a great thing.

[Big Cat]

Hank, anything to say today about my blue shirt? Not black.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Looks like I'm doing different fashion.

[Hank]

Yeah, you're matching right in your face.

[PFT]

What was that look for, Hank?

[Hank]

I just don't like you.

[PFT]

You know what, Hank? I feel bad for you.

[Hank]

No, you're just not, you know, we get it. You're rich. Like, no, no, no. Awl is like, oh, yeah. Classic steam.

[PFT]

I feel, I feel bad for you. Dang.

[Big Cat]

They're going to come at you. Like, they came at me for saying that. I wasn't surprised tickets were expensive in New York City. Yeah.

[PFT]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, very upset.

[PFT]

Listen, I said I, it's the bougiest purchase that I think I've ever made, by the way.

[Big Cat]

I, I do, I do think that there should be affordable tickets. I just don't know the how you can do that in the playoffs because tickets always get crazy.

[Hank]

Poor section.

[PFT]

Poor section.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, poor section. And New York City is always. I, I was thinking about it more, I think, think. I think people like to just judge New York City and be like, oh, there's no real fans there because the tickets are always so crazy, you know, where it's like holy to get in. Price is $1,000 here and like, there's no real fans. There's a lot of rich people in New York City.

[PFT]

Yeah, that is true.

[Big Cat]

It's a fact, like, the most in the country by far.

[PFT]

They should definitely have a call it the party section.

[Big Cat]

No, it should be. No, there should be a, like. It should be, like, college basketball. There should be like a student section. Section for NBA games where there's. They're cheaper tickets, affordable tickets. I'm all in for that. Y. I just don't know how to fix the other thing.

[PFT]

Hank, you had more guys on chicks.

[Hank]

I'll just do numbers. Let's.

[PFT]

I want. I want to do one more, Hank.

[Big Cat]

One more. One more.

[PFT]

Come on, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Come on.

[PFT]

One more time.

[Big Cat]

It's just the guys hanging out together.

[Hank]

Hey, Hank. So sorry about being down 3:1 to Mr. Bing Bong. Anyways, my husband recently tore his ACL and has decided to pick up golf for the first time in his life.

[Big Cat]

Life.

[Hank]

I supported this decision until it became his whole personality. He golfs every Saturday now for hours and spends weeknights at the range or watching helpful tips on YouTube. I feel like he is doing this as a way to not spend time with me. He claims it's a way for him to enjoy sport without too much intensity on his knee. What do I do?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this guy up. It's hard to pick up the golf after.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You got to be the golfer when you meet your wife.

[PFT]

Anything that you want to do that you think you might want to try to do for the rest of your life, you should start before you get married.

[Hank]

I feel like he's doing this as a way to not spend time with me. You're dramatic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, he just loves golf. He, like, if you want to put it a different way. Like, I don't think he's deliberately saying, I don't want to spend time with my wife. I think what he is saying, and it's probably the truth, he loves golf more than, you know.

[Hank]

He just loves golf.

[Big Cat]

No, I mean, he loves golf more than.

[PFT]

More than her at this point. What if she decided to take up golf? Golf.

[Hank]

I'm sure he'd love that.

[Big Cat]

Actually, it wouldn't be. Yeah. If she was decent. Yeah.

[PFT]

Not cramping the style.

[Hank]

I don't even think it might. It's like. It's just fun to get out there.

[Big Cat]

They just really need to figure out. I wish golf courses were 12 holes. That's what they need to figure out.

[Hank]

Because Wish they were 24.

[Big Cat]

Okay. If. If. If a golf round was like a guaranteed two hours. Yeah, it'd be great.

[PFT]

Yeah. It is too long. It is, because. What between driving out there, getting your practice swings in playing golf, driving home. It's like eight hours.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT]

You're looking at, like, a full day.

[Big Cat]

So Hank sees no problem.

[PFT]

She might be like, yeah, he's just trying to get out of the house, away from me for a full day, right? What if you just learn how to play golf? Yeah, like that. And then. And then you guys could watch YouTube clips together.

[Big Cat]

Get better together. Okay. Good job, Hank.

[Hank]

Thanks.

[Big Cat]

Way to go, numbers. 3.

[PFT]

Hank, I like you.

[Big Cat]

Ah.

[Eddie]

I'll go 6.

[PFT]

It's not your fault, Nixon.

[Hank]

6. 7.

[PFT]

It's not your fault, nixon.

[Big Cat]

7.

[Hank]

Celtics and 7.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT]

It's not your fault. It's not your fault, Numbers.

[Hank]

Shut up.

[PFT]

You didn't do anything.

[Big Cat]

99 put. I have three. 44. Good for you, man.

[Hank]

I hope three hits so bad.

[Big Cat]

That would be so good, Hank.

[PFT]

I hope seven gets it, Hank.

[Max]

I'll take one.

[Big Cat]

21.

[PFT]

I'll take a 100.

[Hank]

Celtics are going to win the series, but it's 8,000.

[Big Cat]

I hope you're right. 61.

[PFT]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

44. Was. Was. Was up there.

[PFT]

Even you, Hank.

[Big Cat]

You, Jack.

[PFT]

I even love you, Hannah.