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Pardon My Take
Knicks With The Greatest Comeback Ever, Spencer Hawes Talking Game 5, Illini Head Coach Bret Bielema In Studio, Preseason Mt Rushmore With Hank's Dad + Fyre Fest of The week
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Big Cat
Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.
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Big Cat
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Coach Brett Bielema
Football guy Patino.
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Big Cat
Aw, Harry. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, June 12th, and the New York Knicks are one single game game away from being NBA champions after the greatest comeback in NBA finals history. Boys, what a game. What a night. Simply incredible.
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PFT Commenter
The $5,000 get in price was actually a bargain. If you went to that game and you're a Knicks fan because what you got was probably the best night of your life. Yeah, actually, no, that was definitely the best night of your life. That's sports will not get any better than that than if you paid five grand to go to Madison Square Garden last night. The return on that investment, it was, it was incredible. As bad as that first half was and I don't think that many people left msg. I think there's probably like a couple hundred people that might have left early, I don't know. But by and large I think for the most part the crowd stayed there. What a moment that was. And it you, you felt it building up in the second half, like just slowly just chipping away at that lead, making it bites. Taking one bite at a time away from the spurs. And it ended with you. Can we can have the debate if the spurs choked it or if The Knicks won it.
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Big Cat
It. I don't know why it can't be both.
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PFT Commenter
It was. It was an incredible thing to watch.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Even on television. It was one of those. I. I don't find myself particularly rooting for the Knicks. I don't find myself particularly rooting for the Spurs. I want Memes and Zach to be happy, but just watching that last night was like this.
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Big Cat
This fucks.
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PFT Commenter
Well, this is why we watch sports.
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Big Cat
You know what it was too is 76, 49 in the first half. The spurs shoot the absolute lights out. The game starts. We get the two cat fouls. Right away. Everyone's complaining about the fouls. The Knicks, I think as bad as maybe the refs were to start the game as they missed a goal, 10 the cat fouls. I also think the Knicks had zero composure. Like they were unraveling in the first half. They were giving up wide open threes. You had Mitch. Mitch Robinson get a flagrant on. On Wemby. Like Wemby doing the. I'm in your head. It felt as bad as bad could get for the Knicks and it also felt like we were just wasting an entire NBA Finals game. So to go from that to what we watched in the second half and the Knicks to basically come out at halftime and be like, we didn't hear no bell. We're not giving up to get off the mat like that and chip away slowly. Make it 15 going into the fourth, you know, get it under 10. It was and OG and an OBI just with the greatest tip in like it just an insane. He has the block on de' Aaron Fox. He has the tip in. It was. It was nuts. I, I actually like sat on my couch kind of speechless after the game, being like, what do I do now?
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PFT Commenter
That's Tom Green basketball, by the way. That's what they teach. That's what Tom does. He gets. That might have been the best like 30 seconds of defense and offensive combined in the history of the NBA. When you consider the stakes. Yeah, that we, that we were dealing with last night. And, and yeah, it was. It was a great, awesome, incredible first half shooting by the Spurs. You knew that they weren't going to keep that pace up, but it was still incredible. It did feel like the game might be over, but when they got it, when they started chipping away in the third quarter, you could feel the spurs start to panic a little bit. You could feel the Knicks and the Knicks fans get more confident. Like every trip down the court, there's a lot of room to, to, To Pass around, blame. I will say that when you have that lead in the second half, there's really no excuse for losing that game. There's some really, really bad shot decision making. Some really bad. Like a failure to adapt as the spurs as a whole, to not be able to hold on to that lead. Just like stop taking shots 8, 10 seconds into the shot clock.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
If you do that, you shorten the game enough where it. It doesn't matter that you. You went ice cold from three in the second half. You have a big enough lead that you could protect it. Start going to the rim, start getting fouls, get to the line. You don't have to hit a 3 every time down the court. I know that the 3 is like. If you have an open 3, it's technically a good shot, but, I mean, a smart coach would say you have a 29 point lead. It's okay if you get occasional layups. If you go one for two from the last.
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Big Cat
Attack the basket.
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PFT Commenter
Attack the basket, you don't have to extend this lead anymore.
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Big Cat
Well, that was the biggest thing to me is that. And de' Aaron Fox is getting a lot of the blame, and he deserves a lot of it because de' Aaron Fox with a layup that did not need to be attempted. I understand his momentum's going that way. A layup that did not be. Need to be attempted with 10 seconds left. And he probably got fouled. Oh, Hank. This is. Actually, we'll get to Hank in a second, because I don't know if you noticed something that happened last night, but Hank just didn't have his phone or something because we were texting congrats to Zach and.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Security guard Mike and Memes, they were nothing. Nothing.
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PFT Commenter
You know what happened?
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Big Cat
Nothing.
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PFT Commenter
So this Hank, this actually looks worse for you.
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Big Cat
I.
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PFT Commenter
My phone died in the first quarter, and I got to watch. I was out at a restaurant. I got to watch the game with no phone. It was actually really, really nice.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
But then after it was over, you know the first thing I did, I ran back to my house. I didn't walk. I ran back to my house. I plugged it in so I could text congratulations to the boys to my good friends Memes and Zach, because they're on a hell of a run right now, and they need to know that we support them.
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Big Cat
Yeah. But we'll get to Hank in second. So dear. And Fox, the. You can't have that. You can't take that layup. You just dribble. Yeah. Maybe two seconds go off, but you get to the free throw line. You have a chance to extend it to three. And then equally as bad, he leaves OG and an obi on the final possession to double Jalen Brunson, who has WEMBY on him 40ft from the basketball. OG Anunoby, which it was a one in, I don't know, 10,000 tip. But what made it like possible was that there was not a single body on OG and he gets a free run right to the hoop because Dearon Fox gets caught ball watching and going and doubling Brunson just so really. And Darren Fox is their like vet, so to speak. You know, I mean he's like. Who plays meaningful minutes. So terrible time for Dear and Fox. Wemby was also bad in the second half. Like you. There's no, you can't. You can't. He missed those two free throws where he looked like he didn't want to be there. He. I Wemby sometimes and maybe it's energy, I don't know what it is. But he's a big dog that thinks he's a small dog. And he starts floating away from the rim. And you could see it like taking jump shots, floating away from the rim, missing shots. That's where it all kind of fell apart. And, and they just choke, choke, choke. And the Knicks are like have a killer instinct. And they have Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Town's big three and Jose Alvarado, just incredible minutes. They did it all. The Knicks are just can't be killed. They, they've done this time and time again in these playoffs. So I don't think like there's no
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PFT Commenter
lead that's too big.
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Max
Right?
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Big Cat
It's not the Knicks. It's not like a fluke.
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PFT Commenter
It's.
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Big Cat
This is what this Knicks team is. They are a team that, that, that will step up in big moments and not give in. And, and I. When you said the choke or. Or is Nick like. I think it's both. I think the, the. The spurs are the most obvious. The moment is too big and they're a young team that I've ever seen. But at the same time, the Knicks are the most obvious killer instinct. We could play bad for three quarters, but it doesn't matter. If you give us a shot in the fourth, we will step up. We will step on your throat. We'll tighten up on defense. Jalen Brunson will score buckets like everyone. O.J. o.G. And Hart will. Will rebound the. Out of the ball. They'll do it all. They do all the little Things. So it's a perfect comp. Like it's the both of these things coming together. I think both of them happened last night.
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PFT Commenter
I think it was. The spurs are the stupidest team. They are the stupid. They're the stupidest good team that I've ever seen. And they're consistently stupid in big moments. And then the Knicks. No other team I don't think would. Would take advantage. Like the Knicks take advantage.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
So like, even if, if the spurs are playing against another team, they get a 29 point lead, they're going to win that game. Usually, yeah, but the Knicks are the one team that you cannot do that against. And, and it felt like, I don't know, just based on. I don't think that spurs are dead, by the way. I don't think that they are because they're very, very talented. And, and they're good enough to the point you think they're dead.
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Big Cat
All right, here's, here's because I think I agree with what you're a part. I agree with the first part. You're saying that like the, the, the spurs are very talented. The problem is you're basically asking this spurs team to finish the job on three games in a row and they can't. Like twice this series they have completely blown a big moment.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Now you need them to do that three games in a row. So it's like. Not that I don't. Yes, of course they could, but now are you trusting them to close games three times in a row? I don't know if they have it in them.
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PFT Commenter
I'm asking them to grow up in, in the span of two days, which is hard to do, but by the
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Big Cat
way, I have a stat.
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PFT Commenter
I don't know that it's like one spot that I'm asking them to improve on. At the end of every game, it's like you get the lead and then you, you play with the lead intelligently. Yeah. I think that's something that you can change. And if they learn to do that, then they, they're not dead. I mean, it's, it's definitely an uphill climb. You're down three to one. And the Knicks are really good. I don't think they're dead yet.
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Big Cat
The Knicks. So teams down 20 plus points in the postseason. The last two years in the NBA, the entire NBA is four and 71. The Knicks this postseason are five and three. Or I guess maybe five and three the last two. Yeah, they're five three. But that says they've won five games in the last two postseasons where they've been down 20 points or more, five games. The rest of the NBA's one, four. Yeah, that's. This Knicks team. That's their DNA. They just never quit, and it's insane to watch. Like they are. They just. I think it's partially like having a guy like Jalen Brunson who can. Who, who will just keep fighting. And again, the small things they do, it's just Jose Alvarado was. He played so many minutes.
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PFT Commenter
It does feel like. It feels like the Knicks have an all star team of role players.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Like they might have four of the best. They might have the four best role players in the NBA right now all on their team.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Who?
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PFT Commenter
I would say Hart, in a way.
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Big Cat
By the way, Josh Hart.
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PFT Commenter
OG Anunoby, one of the best role players in the NBA.
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Memes
He's not really a role player.
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Big Cat
He's. No, he's. He's. He's star.
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PFT Commenter
You think star?
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Big Cat
Yeah, he's star. He's. He's star. Certified superstar. He's star. He's star.
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PFT Commenter
He's a star. But I guess what I'm saying is like, he. He's a star, but he plays like a role player. Like, he's a gr. They've got the grittiest dudes on their team.
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Memes
I know what you're saying, but I would say he. He's just. He's the fucking.
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Big Cat
Yeah, him. Cat and Jalen Brunson are stars. And Jalen's.
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Memes
And then.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, Jalen's a superstar, cat. Borderline superstar, Maybe. Superstar.
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Spencer Hawes
No.
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Big Cat
OG's. Yeah, OG's a certified star. He's so good. And he just. His motor is just. He just never stops every. He's always making the right basketball play. And Josh Hart, by the way, he's got a. I don't know. I don't know if he needs to, like, send a present or like a bottle of whiskey or something to Dear and Fox. Because if Dear and Fox doesn't do those two things, Josh Hart's two things would have been the main story on that comeback where he misses the layup kind of mistimes the jump.
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PFT Commenter
He didn't know if he was going to dunk it or not.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
You got to make up your mind.
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Big Cat
And then he doesn't box out Steph Castle in a huge moment. And that's what he does. He always is boxing people out. So he went from oh, my God, Josh Hart just had the worst two minutes to. Just kidding. It was Dear and Fox.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, the. The Very, very last play of the game. Cat getting a finger on that inbounds pass probably saved the game because it looked like Castle had a step on him. And it looked like that pass might have been delivered on time and they might have lost on an alley oop. But by the very, very tip of Kat's finger, the deflection saved the night. It was. It was a cool thing to watch. And then we could talk about the celebrity row situation that we had last night because there. There were lots of them there.
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Big Cat
Kirk, Herb Street's dog.
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PFT Commenter
Kirk Herbstre's dog was not there. Kirk wanted me to. To clarify that credit to her, but
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Hank Lockwood
I didn't realize he had juice like that.
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Big Cat
Well, ESPN has the finals still. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Well, that was.
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Big Cat
Even.
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PFT Commenter
Still, that wasn't juice. That was his dog.
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Big Cat
Is. Do we wanna. Do we wanna have the discussion? And I wanna hear from Zach and Memes. Is Taylor Swift a bad friend for. For calling dibs on the Stevie Nicks shirt because it was by far the best one?
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PFT Commenter
No, because she also brought one for Mariska Hargitay.
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Big Cat
Okay.
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PFT Commenter
She was also. Yeah. You do Law and Order svu?
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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PFT Commenter
She. She might be. She might be the mvp Knicks fan. Because after the game was over, she, like, immediately started hugging Jalen Brunson's dad. She was hugging OG on the court. I love Marisa Hardy. Great fan. I would say that it's more about the conversation of what does this mean for Philadelphia sports fans legacy that they lost Taylor Swift.
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Big Cat
They lost her a while ago, though.
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Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
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Max
But I mean, I think if the
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PFT Commenter
bad sports town, if a lot of
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Max
celebrities were going to a Sixers game courtside, I think she would also be remarkably a Sixers fan. Again.
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Big Cat
She. You don't think she was there for the basketball?
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Max
I think she was there for her friends.
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Big Cat
Oh, so Taylor Swift can't like sports?
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Memes
She's been a Knicks fan.
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Max
She was rooting for the Cavs last series.
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Memes
No, she wasn't.
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Zach
Room for fiance's team.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
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Memes
And she was there to watch it.
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Big Cat
Oh, you talking about the seat that I'm gonna buy?
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yeah. This new seat's gonna go for a shitload of money, especially that game. But, yeah, I mean, listen, you're already Taylor Swift. I think it's cool someone else have Stevie Nick shirt. Okay. Do you know what I'm saying?
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PFT Commenter
But she did. She. She brought one for Marissa.
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Big Cat
I understand, but, like, it was the. The three of them all game. They kept on showing. I think it was Nick Nickelback, Nicole Kidman.
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PFT Commenter
Nicole.
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Big Cat
That's the garb. The worst shirt ever. Like, that's the one you got to wear if you're Taylor Swift, because you're Taylor Swift. Everyone already's eyes on you. You. You took Stevie Nicks. That's the best shirt.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah.
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Big Cat
Just be a good friend. That's all I'm saying. Did you see that?
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Zach
Poor.
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Max
I think she was a great friend. I think. I think she got her friends.
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Big Cat
I guess they best seats ever, because a quarter million dollars on those seats, but still, come on. Like, Stevie Nicks is the best shirt of those.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, it was. It was. It was awesome seeing that shot right after. I think it was right after the. The tip in by OG and it cut to the crowd and it goes like Jerry Seinfeld, Adam Sandler freaking out. All those girls freaking out and jumping around. And then there was one other person that was sitting right behind him. Oh, Scooter Braun. Forgot Great sports town. They were all having a good time.
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Big Cat
Close personal friend of Taylor Swift.
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Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
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Big Cat
All right, Memes. Zach, want to hear from the boys? How we feeling? What? Give us everything from last night.
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Memes
I feel great.
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Big Cat
Invincible.
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Memes
Invincible. Last night was so fucking awesome. I was just sitting crisscross applesauce in front of all four of my TVs, and I was just super hyper focused and just this come.
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Big Cat
I got this.
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Memes
I hate when Max does this.
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Big Cat
Oh, what is he doing?
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Memes
He just grabs this.
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Max
Yeah, because like you're talking.
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Memes
You just grab it.
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Max
I'm trying to fucking grab it. You're the one who stopped talking.
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Big Cat
Way to steal his moment, Max.
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Max
I wanted. I want the people to be able to see him when he's saying this.
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Big Cat
Fair.
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Memes
Fair. Fair point.
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Big Cat
I forgot where I was. Oh, Max, you're about to come.
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Memes
I was about to come. I never quit on the game. I thought they were gonna come back. Bet him at halftime. Because of the Celtics series from last year, I knew that it was actually possible to come back because they did it twice in their own in Boston, both times against the defending NBA champions. And you knew that would be possible against a very young team. And that's what happened last night.
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Hank Lockwood
You said memes and Zach.
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Big Cat
Okay, Zach.
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Zach
Disney's team has showed us all series and all playoffs not long. That if there's time on the clock, there's an opportunity for the majority of the game. I was. I was. It didn't feel good. I'm not going to say I lost hope or step, but it didn't feel the best. It almost felt as if, you know, we get it under 20. It's like, okay, here it is. Low momentum and they juice it back up a little bit. And then we get there. It's like, okay, this is the spot. This is where they make the run, break the pace, and they knock it up a little bit again. It's like, okay, I'm not sure what's going to go on here. And then for the way the fourth quarter unfolded, I've never felt.
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PFT Commenter
Please don't sign to the microphone, Hank.
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Zach
My body was tingling. That's all. I was tingling.
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Big Cat
I can't like stress enough. I don't remember a vibe shift in a series quite like this inside of game. Because it's not just the game. Like it's not just the first half and what happened. We also had an entire day where like James Dolan goes on radio and just starts spouting his mouth off, talking shit about San Antonio gets guaranteeing a championship, getting in a fight with Mumdani. Then Mamdani fights back with James Dolan. Like they cancel the party again. It felt like the sky was falling for Knicks fans.
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Max
Knicks fans, also a bunch of scumbags. People are talking about how Nick's fans are a bunch of scumbags.
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Big Cat
Yeah, that's post game. Hold on. Yeah, we'll get to that crime.
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Max
Well, I'm saying yeah. Yes.
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Big Cat
Yeah, but, but like everything that could, was, could have gone wrong after one single loss went wrong. Jordan woods couldn't get her back in the game. She actually did get it in the game. Game four, which was huge, but everything was like falling apart. We have a historic run. The knicks go on 12 games in a row. They're the happiest city on earth. They lose one game. All of a sudden we've got politicians and billionaires and everyone fighting and watch parties getting canceled and everything sucks. And then it's the greatest game ever. Greatest NBA Finals game ever. It's like crazy. I. I'm still in shock a day later.
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PFT Commenter
The. The first half.
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Big Cat
The.
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PFT Commenter
The only good thing that happened to the Knicks in the first half and I think that's when Wimy got his. His flagrant. Right? So there's one. He's got one more. And then he gets the sussy, which makes that non flagrant that he didn't get from the Brunson shove a couple days ago that much more impactful. Wimy was just, he. He lost control a few times. He's got a little temper to him.
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Big Cat
He did get Mitch, John, John or Robinson.
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PFT Commenter
Good. He did get it. Yeah, he got him good. But he also, like, just. He loses control sometimes in games when he gets, like, somebody just runs into him. They give him, like, a small elbow to his side. They push him off balance a little bit. They, like, pick on him a little in, like, very small ways. Good playoff physicality. And then that builds up for Wemby, and he just lets you have it.
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Big Cat
But.
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PFT Commenter
And it's so obvious when Wimby lets you have it, because the refs call it every single time. He's got, like, a temper issue, I think.
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Big Cat
But. But it was like I was saying on Wednesday show, like, part of me thinks Wemby's actually doing a decent job of standing up for himself, where he's just not letting people push him around because you're a skinny guy and you can get pushed around, the physicality and all that stuff. And he's like, no, I'm not going to get pushed around. I. I'm a little. I'm a little exhausted on the way. The athletic article being like, can you believe Wemby drew a picture in a park?
- [23:25]
PFT Commenter
I didn't read that one.
- [23:26]
Big Cat
Oh, my God. I'm a little. I. I'm a little wembed out for a second. Just need a breather. It's going to be nice to have two. Two days in between games.
- [23:33]
PFT Commenter
I mean, who knows what he's going to get up to before that game.
- [23:36]
Big Cat
Well, I just. It's more that when Wemby plays like that little dog, when he's just floating around and taking three. Like, I. It's not. It's not fun to watch. He's so physically imposing. Just get down there, dude. Get your ass in the paint.
- [23:49]
PFT Commenter
I like it when he gets mad. I think that, like, this type of physicality is good, but it does end up costing his team sometimes.
- [23:54]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [23:55]
PFT Commenter
And, yeah, that was the only downside to the first half when everything seemed to go right for the Spurs. Every single thing seemed to go right. And I losing the game mentally, very draining on the Spurs. But then to have to go through everything that they did after. Like, they had to just sit in that locker room in silence, just thinking about what just happened to them.
- [24:13]
Big Cat
And then eggs thrown at them.
- [24:14]
PFT Commenter
Then they had eggs thrown at them on their way out. And Wimy was probably like, omelette. And then they got into the bush some kish. And then he gets into the bus. They're probably still silent in that bus. They go home, think about what they've done, Go to the airport, think about what they've done. Just the Aftermath of that is going to be what makes it really tough for them to get over. If they're going to get pissed off in the next couple days or if they're just going to be sad, if they're going to be sad about it, then they're. If they're going to get mad, they're still in it because they've got the talent, I think.
- [24:44]
Big Cat
Do you. Do you guys disavow the egg throwing?
- [24:48]
Memes
Disavow, but great arm.
- [24:50]
Big Cat
Oh, that doesn't sound like a disavow.
- [24:52]
Memes
No, I just vowed.
- [24:53]
Max
But fans are scumbags.
- [24:56]
Big Cat
Like, there's part.
- [24:57]
Max
Like there is not enough talk about how poorly that they have acted after these games.
- [25:03]
Big Cat
1. One loss and it just fell apart.
- [25:06]
Max
Yeah.
- [25:06]
Zach
You should never pull a prank on anybody by throwing eggs at him. That's not cool.
- [25:10]
Big Cat
Well, unless you're like, but it was a good throw. Unless you're like 12 years old, it's Halloween.
- [25:14]
Max
Then I'm not all Knicks fans. But.
- [25:17]
Big Cat
But there's been enough.
- [25:19]
Max
There's been.
- [25:20]
Big Cat
It's not just one isolated event.
- [25:23]
Memes
Well, it's New York. Everybody has eggs.
- [25:25]
PFT Commenter
Is that true?
- [25:26]
Memes
Yeah, there's just random people carrying around eggs.
- [25:28]
PFT Commenter
Oh, they got the city grocery stores, the bodegas, those.
- [25:32]
Big Cat
Anywhere else.
- [25:34]
Memes
Yeah, Only in New York.
- [25:34]
Coach Brett Bielema
They.
- [25:35]
Big Cat
Only in New York can you go and get cereal, eggs and toilet paper and cigarettes. You can't get that anywhere else.
- [25:44]
PFT Commenter
Zach, do you have any comment about the fact that just within the last year I show. Speed has done several videos where he encourages people to throw eggs at him as he runs around trying to evade them and then acting like it's one big joke? Do you think that maybe Nick's fans saw that and they're like, oh, hey, we might like it and think that it's a fun video if I throw eggs at him?
- [26:02]
Zach
I think eggs historically are more of a hijinks fun goof.
- [26:05]
Spencer Hawes
Not.
- [26:05]
Zach
Not so much a malicious act. In this case, it may have been a malicious act. So I'm. I'm going to disavow the egg throwing and the egg hitting of when me on the top of the head. If Wimby wasn't a human and he was a target, I'd say it was a great throw.
- [26:17]
Big Cat
As Knicks fans. Are you guys sneaky? I know you're going to game five, so you want to watch the championship. You want to see the trophy in front of you, but is there a small part of you that like, silver lining? If the Knicks lose game five, at least we get to Beat up some more spurs fans back in New York.
- [26:35]
Memes
Off court.
- [26:36]
Zach
Violence is never the answer.
- [26:37]
Big Cat
Because, like, that's probably. You're probably thinking that a little bit. Like, hey, at least this means we get to fucking punch more random guys in a Spurs jersey.
- [26:46]
Memes
Disavow.
- [26:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
Disavow.
- [26:48]
Zach
Retweet that. Disavow.
- [26:50]
PFT Commenter
But you did. You did tweet out crime last week.
- [26:54]
Zach
I was taught. Yeah, I was crime on the hardwood. Good play. Yes. Outside the arena.
- [27:01]
Coach Brett Bielema
Crime.
- [27:02]
Zach
I'm not sure.
- [27:02]
Big Cat
Listen, I'm not. We're obviously Joe, like, disavow, but we're obviously, like, every fan base has scumbags. I. I do not think all Knicks fans are bad.
- [27:11]
Spencer Hawes
It's the.
- [27:11]
Big Cat
It's.
- [27:12]
Max
I do think that this. These are the worst videos, that there's
- [27:15]
Big Cat
a shitload of people in New York City. But, yeah.
- [27:18]
Max
Yeah, these videos are real bad.
- [27:21]
Hank Lockwood
Sounds like you're avowing them.
- [27:22]
Big Cat
I'm not. I'm disavowing them. I'm avowing all other Knicks fans who don't. I want to talk. Let's talk about the Knicks. I'm more impressed by the Knicks fans that didn't punch a Spurs guy in the face. Why don't we talk about that?
- [27:33]
Hank Lockwood
What's that?
- [27:34]
PFT Commenter
And also, like, if you just look at the. The statistical probability.
- [27:38]
Max
I mean, we've been talking about throwing snowballs at Santa Claus.
- [27:42]
PFT Commenter
Philly. I get it. If you throw. If you throw an egg in New York City last night, chances are if it's going to hit anybody, it's probably going to be Wimby, because so much bigger than everybody else.
- [27:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
True.
- [27:53]
PFT Commenter
So that might have been a complete coincidence.
- [27:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. Also, Santa Claus is like. It's different than Wendy. Santa Claus, dude.
- [28:00]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And this is where all of Max's anger comes from. Is he just. He wants people to stop saying that people from Philly are scumbags.
- [28:07]
Max
Well, I just get pissed off because I keep seeing all these videos. It's like, wow, New York's acting a lot like Philly. And these are worse than anything that Philly's ever done.
- [28:14]
Big Cat
What about Michael Irvin got, like, paralyzed
- [28:17]
Max
and you cheered with.
- [28:19]
Big Cat
No, I didn't.
- [28:20]
Max
There's.
- [28:20]
Big Cat
No.
- [28:20]
Max
There's Eagles. That's. That cheering is. Is worse than assaulting a guy and ripping his jersey off and giving him a bloody nose. What about on camera?
- [28:30]
PFT Commenter
What about throwing up onto a small girl in the stands?
- [28:35]
Big Cat
I don't.
- [28:36]
Max
I don't even know what you're talking.
- [28:37]
PFT Commenter
Phillies fan.
- [28:38]
Big Cat
Max, you can get. Listen, you can get A bumper or bruise. Mental trauma is way worse.
- [28:43]
Memes
Okay, so, yeah, what about interrupting a podcast and threatening to beat up one of the producers?
- [28:49]
Big Cat
Was that you? Memes?
- [28:50]
Coach Brett Bielema
No.
- [28:50]
Big Cat
Oh, you do that off camera?
- [28:52]
Max
No.
- [28:52]
Memes
It's big, though.
- [28:55]
Big Cat
He did not. He did not disavow you.
- [28:58]
PFT Commenter
Not true. That's actually fake news. Memes.
- [29:00]
Big Cat
Fake news. You are fake news. All right, there's one person on this show that we've not heard from because they went pretty silent last night. No texts on the group chat. I think he said, I'm sick, and then also said, this is worse than The Ray Allen 3, which someone aptly pointed out. Like, they're like, hank, your team wasn't involved in either of those games. Well, that was my point.
- [29:26]
Hank Lockwood
That was, that was, that was like, that was the worst sports loss.
- [29:30]
PFT Commenter
I don't.
- [29:31]
Hank Lockwood
The Ray Allen three, like, that stung so much. Specifically, like, probably because it was Ray Allen, like, former Celtic, playing for the team that I hated the most. So I still think that one was worse. And it was like a game, you know, it was, it was game six versus game four. But I didn't, I lost sleep. I lost a significant amount of sleep because of that game. I was sick about it. Even Dar. Darren Fox, like, he, I think it was in the fourth quarter, maybe late in the third quarter, where he just had one of those turnovers, where he just threw like he had a. He had no one in front of him, and he just passed the ball out of bounds like it was in between Wemby and one of their guards. He just passed it to no one. Ball went out of bounds, turnover. From that point on, I was watching my brother, and we're like, darren Fox been bad, bad, bad, bad. And then he proceeded to have, like, the worst fourth quarter of all time. But, yeah, I was. I, I, I'm sick about it. I don't, I don't really know what to say. I don't know. I'm not gonna fake congratulate them. I was not happy for them. I'm not happy for them. I don't want them to watch them win game five in San Antonio. Like, I don't know what you want me to say.
- [30:38]
Big Cat
No, I love this.
- [30:39]
Hank Lockwood
I don't know what you want me to say.
- [30:42]
Big Cat
As honest as possible.
- [30:43]
Hank Lockwood
I was. I, like, it felt like they were, you know, the spurs were in complete control. It was obvious. Like, obviously, they were not going to stay as hot. They weren't going to score 79 points in the, in the second half, but I think they scored 15 points like, by the time there was five minutes left in the fourth, it was just such a tough watch. And just the, the courtside performative fans and Taylor Swift and all these people going crazy. It, it was disgusting. It was nothing short of disgusting.
- [31:14]
PFT Commenter
There was no double fist pumps, no real fan movement, no, no pump faking a ball. They knew the camera was on them. Hank, I, I, I do have a question about one thing that you said, that you're not happy for him, but you did say that you want New Yorkers to win something because they've gone through such a long period of losing.
- [31:32]
Hank Lockwood
I didn't say I want them to win something. I just, I've always joked about how long it's been since they haven't won something. So this would, you know, take that joke away. But, I mean, the series is over. Like, it, it, it's over. There's, there, like you said, pft. There's no way that the spurs have what it takes to close three more games.
- [31:51]
PFT Commenter
I don't think I said, I said
- [31:52]
Big Cat
that, but, yeah, they don't have what
- [31:54]
Hank Lockwood
it takes to close three more games. This series is over. It's only a matter of time. They could be up three to one pretty easily. They're, they're, you know, three, probably three plays away from being up three to one. Darren Fox, the fact that he has a max contract is disgusting. He completely choked that game away. We should be talking about Josh Hart. We're not, and I'm sick about it. I don't know that that's it. That's it.
- [32:22]
PFT Commenter
It's. You're right. We're not talking about. Do you want the opportunity to talk about Josh Hart? Do you want to live in a fancy world? Let's pretend that.
- [32:29]
Hank Lockwood
Oh, it is what it is. We live the life is live for. We're in reality. Life is live this the next one, and Josh Hart missing that layup and not boxing out doesn't matter.
- [32:39]
Big Cat
Are you, like, when you're watching the game, at what point were you like, oh, my God, this is actually happening?
- [32:49]
Hank Lockwood
I mean, once they got the lead, like, once, once he missed, I mean, he missed the layup and it was like, oh, they're, they're good. That's gonna be it. Like that, that was gonna, you know, push them to complete the comeback. And when he missed that, I was like, oh, there's a chance. But yeah, I honestly thought the spurs were gonna win. Like, I, I, the, the not like the missing the layup and not boxing out. It's like that was huge like that. The spurs almost blowing that and, and still winning the game. Like, that's going to be kind of a catalyst for them to, like, if they had won that game, I feel like they could have closed out two more games because they kind of felt that like they choked a lead, but they still pulled it out. And now they, you know, it's tied. They're going back home. They have home court advantage back. They can win this series and to blow that the way they did. And they had an open look. Like, obviously when you watch it in slow mo, slow mo makes everything look obvious. But he just didn't time the jump. Like, like he threw the inbound as Cat was jumping up in the air. Like, if you just time the jump when he's coming down like that, that doesn't happen. It was, it was everything that, everything bad that could have happened, happened.
- [33:58]
PFT Commenter
What do you think we'd be saying if, if OG doesn't tip that ball in, would we be like, hey, Jalen Brunson, what a terrible shot that was?
- [34:07]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I mean, the shot was probably, that was probably the plan was to give them a chance for a rebound. So I don't, I don't think it, I mean, it, like, it was a pretty crazy long shot, but I do
- [34:17]
Big Cat
think Jalen Brunson was like, now that deer and fox has come over to me, we have, we have four. What would be four on three on the boards. I got, I got to chuck this up now.
- [34:29]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah. And it was a great. I mean, it was a, like, OG got so high up. It was perfectly timed. It was, it was the worst kind of destiny.
- [34:37]
Big Cat
Hank, is there a small part of you, and I respect the hell out of you being a hater, real hater, like admitting it, but is there a small part of you that's like, I just watched an all time sports moment and it was just so clouded by hate. I couldn't enjoy it because, like, I, I don't really.
- [34:52]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
- [34:53]
Big Cat
Like, I, I want my guys to be happy, but I also don't really care who wins the NBA finals. I just want good games. So in the moment, I was just watching and being like, this is incredible. What I'm watching is incredible. It's not like I was rooting for the Knicks, but I was, I was just appreciating how incredible it was.
- [35:12]
Hank Lockwood
No, I was sick about it. I, I remember like the, the Ray Allen game. I was, I was dating a girl who's living in Boston. She was at work and I was at her apartment, like, her roommate was home, but she wasn't even watching the game. And I was screaming at the TV and I was like lying on the floor after, just in pain and misery. And then she came. I was like, what is, what is going on? And that's, that's what it felt like. I was just.
- [35:35]
PFT Commenter
How did you explain that one to her?
- [35:38]
Hank Lockwood
I just like the, the, the Heat won the game. Ray Allen hit a three and she was like, okay, so I know.
- [35:44]
PFT Commenter
I didn't know you were a Spurs fan.
- [35:45]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, no, I mean she doesn't, she wasn't even following basketball. She was like, can you like get off the floor? Like this is weird. But yeah, it brought me back to that moment. It was like it's a pit in your stomach, like sickness. Like. Yeah, there's no way that just happened. There's no way that just happened. And it's not even a Celtics game. Like I, I shouldn't feel as bad about this as I do, but I did.
- [36:08]
PFT Commenter
One thing that we can all take a little comfort in is. Yeah, the spurs have had like almost a, a series of dynasties and it looks like they might be on the cusp of maybe another one if Wimy turns into the player we think he's going to be. They've also had three of the most iconic. Yeah. Last minute heartbreaking, soul crunching defeats in the playoffs. So there was the Ray Allen shot. There was the one last night from OG Then the Derek Fisher shot against him after they took the lead on that Tim Duncan fade away with what.4 seconds left in the game.
- [36:40]
Big Cat
Listen, when you're.
- [36:40]
PFT Commenter
They've had some bad ones.
- [36:41]
Big Cat
Yeah. When you're good, when you're as good as the spurs franchise and you're going to be in those moments. But yeah, no, it's a good point.
- [36:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [36:48]
Big Cat
Hank, I'm surprised that you didn't jump on what meme said. You, the Celtics trained the Knicks. You should take credit for it. No, I, I didn't train it.
- [37:02]
Memes
They didn't train it.
- [37:03]
Big Cat
The Knicks paused this.
- [37:05]
Memes
You had an opportunity to kill the Knicks them live.
- [37:09]
Big Cat
Oh, that's okay. That's, that's worse for you.
- [37:12]
Memes
If they lose to the Celtics in that second round matchup, they blow it up instead. They believed. And then this year they blew a 31 lead as the favorites to win the championship against a bad Sixers team.
- [37:30]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I mean we're talking about the NBA Finals like that. I, this, this has nothing to do with the Celtics. But if that, you know, if that's, if that's the route you want.
- [37:36]
PFT Commenter
I don't mean to say if you're.
- [37:37]
Hank Lockwood
If you're one game away, you're going to San Antonio to potentially watch your team win a NBA championship, and you're thinking about the Celtics like, I win.
- [37:45]
PFT Commenter
So, you know, we were talking about reality a second ago. And when you look at the past, it is prologue. And last year, memes is right that when you lost to the Knicks, you gave up your chance to end whatever it was they were trying.
- [37:59]
Hank Lockwood
I mean, our best player tore. Is Tor's Achilles like that. That. That's a huge asterisk.
- [38:03]
Big Cat
What point in the series?
- [38:06]
Hank Lockwood
There was still a couple games left.
- [38:07]
PFT Commenter
What was the record in the series when he.
- [38:08]
Hank Lockwood
Towards Achilles two and one or in one and two? Maybe zero and two. I don't know.
- [38:14]
Big Cat
What was it? Memes?
- [38:17]
Memes
It was two.
- [38:17]
Spencer Hawes
One.
- [38:17]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [38:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [38:18]
Hank Lockwood
One and two.
- [38:22]
Big Cat
Yeah. That was a hell of a night. And I'm so happy the boys get to go. I mean, the. The. The fact that they're going to be in the building with the trophy. What point did you think. Did that dawn on both of you
- [38:36]
Memes
one hour after the game? Yeah, I just screamed in my apartment.
- [38:40]
Big Cat
You're like, oh, shit. Because game five would have been much different. If you don't come back. If you get absolutely worked. If it's first half, second half, exact same, Knicks lose by 30, you're going to game five with like, this is all falling apart. The sky is falling.
- [38:58]
Zach
I was in bed on the re watch, and when they started picking up again, I was like, oh, yeah, this is. This could be it.
- [39:03]
Coach Brett Bielema
They're gonna do it.
- [39:04]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, you gotta rewatch.
- [39:06]
Spencer Hawes
You got.
- [39:06]
PFT Commenter
How many rewatches do you think you're gonna have? And side question, will you also re watch the first half?
- [39:14]
Zach
So I ran it all the way through. So it's just like, let's see. Build up again. See how it goes.
- [39:18]
Big Cat
Yeah. See. See if this goes our way again.
- [39:20]
Memes
I mean, the spurs were so good
- [39:21]
Spencer Hawes
in the first half.
- [39:22]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you. You do know that you have to. You have to win this series because if you don't, last night is just not. Didn't exist.
- [39:32]
PFT Commenter
It would maybe even be worse than not. It would exist. But as a joke.
- [39:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [39:35]
PFT Commenter
Like if you have Taylor Swift and Haim doing a jig at center court, if you got Tracy Morgan crying and puking and shitting and then crying again and then laughing, Hank, that's going to be. It's going to be funny to look back on.
- [39:49]
Big Cat
This is what you should look Forward to Hank as a hater. This is. If they do not win this series. Game four literally never happens. And. And PS Rights.
- [39:58]
Spencer Hawes
Right.
- [39:58]
Big Cat
It's more of a joke than anything. It's not the best game ever. It's like, how did they lose that?
- [40:01]
Hank Lockwood
I won't. That won't cross my mind until it's three to three. And that's not gonna happen.
- [40:05]
PFT Commenter
You're going to actually. It will turn into your favorite game ever.
- [40:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [40:09]
PFT Commenter
If they blow this.
- [40:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [40:11]
PFT Commenter
If you like. Remember when you celebrated winning the NBA championship after game 4?
- [40:14]
Hank Lockwood
If the spurs can get a 3 3. I will entertain that thought. But until then, do you think there's
- [40:20]
Big Cat
a chance to get to three?
- [40:20]
Hank Lockwood
Nope.
- [40:21]
Big Cat
You think it's over on Saturday night?
- [40:24]
Hank Lockwood
I hope not.
- [40:26]
PFT Commenter
Zach and Memes, have you thought.
- [40:28]
Hank Lockwood
Actually, whatever. I like. I don't care that this series is over.
- [40:34]
Big Cat
Sounds like you're shaking.
- [40:35]
Hank Lockwood
If they're gonna celebrate.
- [40:37]
PFT Commenter
He's thinking about it.
- [40:39]
Max
Like, you're gonna be watching the game,
- [40:40]
Big Cat
though, and you're gonna be ruining.
- [40:41]
Hank Lockwood
Against the Knicks, obviously.
- [40:42]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [40:43]
Max
So it's like. Don't even try and say this.
- [40:45]
Coach Brett Bielema
No.
- [40:45]
Hank Lockwood
But like, the series is over. Like, I guess. Whatever.
- [40:48]
Big Cat
Don't.
- [40:49]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [40:49]
Hank Lockwood
I was gonna say, like, it'd be nice for Zach and Memes, but like, I.
- [40:52]
Spencer Hawes
You don't.
- [40:52]
Big Cat
But you don't mean. You can't even say that. No, say that. You don't feel that.
- [40:56]
PFT Commenter
Zacky, Memes, have you guys thought about what you're going to be wearing to the game? Very important.
- [41:01]
Memes
I think Polar's sending us some shirts. I also have a Bing bong hanky shirt. You with the trophy makes my tits pop.
- [41:12]
Big Cat
And it's also going to be like, so many Knicks fans there.
- [41:15]
Memes
I think it's going to be 75%.
- [41:18]
Big Cat
I don't think it's going to be 75% memes.
- [41:21]
PFT Commenter
There's a lot of Knicks fans.
- [41:22]
Big Cat
75% to clinch. To clinch the finals in San Antonio.
- [41:28]
Memes
Yeah. Everyone should just head to San Antonio.
- [41:30]
Big Cat
But they get home, all the spurs fans have to sell their tickets.
- [41:34]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
- [41:36]
Big Cat
I think it'll be a solid like 25, 30%.
- [41:41]
Memes
I. I'll think a little bit more.
- [41:42]
Big Cat
I take the over on that as well. You think? You think?
- [41:46]
Zach
I think higher than.
- [41:46]
Memes
I think they're going to flock.
- [41:48]
Big Cat
You guys are. They'd have to sell all their tickets.
- [41:53]
PFT Commenter
I think this isn't.
- [41:54]
Max
This isn't an hour and a half drive.
- [41:56]
Memes
No flight to watch. Watch a closing championship game.
- [42:00]
Big Cat
There are just so many New Yorkers there are.
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PFT Commenter
And they've, they don't have championship fatigue. It's not like it's a Saturday.
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Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [42:06]
PFT Commenter
It's not like Ohio State football fans traveling every postseason.
- [42:10]
Memes
I think there's a chance.
- [42:12]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [42:12]
PFT Commenter
This is like Indiana, like the long dormant massive fan base.
- [42:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [42:16]
PFT Commenter
You haven't had any, Anything to spend your money on in the past. You're gonna go to this one. All right. You should get Larry o' Brien nipple rings if you win. Memes in.
- [42:26]
Big Cat
That'd be so sick. That'd be so sick. Yeah. Thanks again to Tick Pick. We have more coming with Tick Pick starting in July, but. Incredible. We're so excited for our boys. Well, almost all of us are so excited for our boys to go to San Antonio. Max, are you excited for them? Yeah.
- [42:43]
Max
I mean, I don't like the Knicks, but, like, I'm not saying I, I was, like, jumping for joy when, when the Knicks won that game.
- [42:50]
Big Cat
No, I wasn't either.
- [42:51]
Max
But, like, it's cool. Like, I, I, I can acknowledge that it's. That it's cool for them, but I can't say that I'm.
- [42:56]
Hank Lockwood
I can acknowledge that, too.
- [42:58]
Max
Like, I bet on the spurs going into that game yesterday, and then I bet on the Knicks midway in the end of the third quarter because I felt like they were coming back. Like, I, for most of the game, I was rooting for the spurs, and then I switched, and then I bet on the Knicks and I was rooting for the Knicks. Like, I'm just not really letting it affect me one way or the other.
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Big Cat
Right.
- [43:17]
Hank Lockwood
Me neither.
- [43:17]
Big Cat
Yeah, I'm, I'm going, like, straight reporter mode, journalist mode. I just was enjoying the hell out of the series.
- [43:23]
PFT Commenter
I just want more basketball. That's why I do, too. That's why I will. I, I think in theory, I want the spurs to win so I get more basketball, but in reality, I think I would. I would rather have Memes and Zach get that moment. Winning a championship in front of their faces.
- [43:37]
Big Cat
Well, more basketball and also more spurs fans getting beat up. Remember that? Yeah, they wanted that.
- [43:43]
PFT Commenter
We're weak on more eggs thrown.
- [43:45]
Big Cat
Yeah, they wanted. They both personally requested that.
- [43:47]
PFT Commenter
Zach, I'm give you the opportunity to make it up.
- [43:49]
Hank Lockwood
Don't throw eggs at Memes and Zach in San Antonio. Don't do that.
- [43:53]
PFT Commenter
That's mean.
- [43:53]
Big Cat
Hank, if you do, if you do,
- [43:58]
Memes
just say like, Hank told us not to, and then me and Zach will just bring in a carton of eggs on Sunday and not throw them at Hank.
- [44:08]
PFT Commenter
I mutually assured.
- [44:10]
Big Cat
Yeah. Declare yourself as someone who's.
- [44:13]
PFT Commenter
Who's loyalist.
- [44:14]
Big Cat
Who's. Who's specifically not throwing eggs at you as you throw an egg at him because of Hank.
- [44:20]
Zach
And if you really do cage free, free range, you know, like some. Some ethically sourced eggs.
- [44:26]
Memes
Not the head.
- [44:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [44:27]
PFT Commenter
Zach, I'm going to give you an opportunity to try this again. Pump up speech. New York Knicks. Saturday.
- [44:33]
Zach
Right now.
- [44:33]
PFT Commenter
Go.
- [44:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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Zach
Gentlemen, we're one game away. For a moment, all of you have worked towards your entire lives, the sacrifices you've made, the sacrifices your family of families have made to get here to the precipice of basketball. All those hard evenings, all those early mornings, the moment you thought you were gonna quit, they build up to this right here. You gotta go out there and show them why. You were built for the moment. Not everybody's built for the moment, but today you are one win away. Do it for yourselves. Do it for the people you love. Do it for the sport that you love. Let's go get this win, boys.
- [45:20]
Big Cat
Nice.
- [45:20]
Max
Much better.
- [45:21]
Big Cat
Much, much better.
- [45:22]
PFT Commenter
I disagree. The crime one was.
- [45:25]
Max
Wait, that one was.
- [45:26]
PFT Commenter
I got pumped also.
- [45:27]
Big Cat
Zach, can I just. On the ED like. P.S.
- [45:30]
Zach
yeah. Director's cut. Yep.
- [45:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. P.S. if we don't get this win, boys, don't worry, more spurs fans will get their noses cracked.
- [45:38]
Hank Lockwood
Back to crime.
- [45:38]
Big Cat
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- [48:01]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, Carter Hart's been pretty bad. And then on the other side, the Knights have a bussy problem. Busy's electric. He's the busy of the year. I don't know if he's. There's been some pushback calling him a rookie because he's so old, but it is his rookie season and he's on fire right now. He was awesome tonight. And yeah, it was, it was another good hockey game. No, real late drama. It looked like maybe at the end the, the Knights might threaten to get within one, but it wasn't a nail biter like the other ones.
- [48:33]
Big Cat
Yeah, and there was that, that one goal. I think it was goal two by the Hurricanes. So nasty. The Hurricanes, I mean, they, they, I, I've started to like watching them play hockey because they just absolutely stay on top of you. Like the, you. We, we've talked to a bunch of our hockey guys and they've said it and like after they've said it and I've been able to watch it more. They just give you no time to breathe whatsoever. And it's, it's fun to watch because you just know they're just gonna, they come at you in waves and they do not stop. Oh, we just had A goal. We just had a goal. Chechya just scored.
- [49:08]
PFT Commenter
Oh, you guys are ahead of me.
- [49:09]
Big Cat
Sorry. It might also be var. So we'll see.
- [49:12]
PFT Commenter
They all robot steps in.
- [49:14]
Big Cat
My favorite part of.
- [49:15]
PFT Commenter
Oh.
- [49:15]
Big Cat
Yep, the flag is up. I love the World cup because if a guy scores a goal, everyone just immediately points to the ref to be like, hey, you got to check that.
- [49:26]
PFT Commenter
I've got, I've got a couple problems with just the, the, the new wave of var. In soccer. It does feel like you're looking at everything and you can find no one. You can't get away with a foul anymore. And I know that it helps the refs get it right ultimately, but there's an art just like in any other sport to getting away with stuff. Like if you made every little ticky tack like holding call reviewable in the NFL, it would kind of suck for defensive backs. But in, in soccer now it looks like you just can't get away with shit.
- [49:56]
Big Cat
Yeah, the. By the way. All right, so back to hockey real quick because then we are going to talk little bit. Yeah, goals off. We're gonna talk a little bit of World cup, but. So the stat is Carter Hart is the first goalie to concede four plus goals in each of the first five games of a Stanley cup final. You have to, you have to go back to Aiden Hill. You just have to like, there's just. I don't understand. So Tortorello was asked if considered going to Aiden Hill in the third period. He said, oh, Christ, that might be the stupidest question I've heard.
- [50:26]
PFT Commenter
Ever heard.
- [50:26]
Big Cat
Well, so maybe they won't go to Aiden Hill.
- [50:29]
PFT Commenter
I feel like, I feel like Torts has heard stupider questions than that.
- [50:33]
Big Cat
Definitely.
- [50:34]
PFT Commenter
That's not that dumb.
- [50:35]
Big Cat
Especially your goalie that's given up four, four plus goals in five straight games in the Stanley cup final. That's a, that's a reasonable question to at least ask.
- [50:44]
PFT Commenter
I would say. Great question.
- [50:45]
Big Cat
Yeah, great question.
- [50:47]
PFT Commenter
It is. It was good to see Ajo kind of get off the schneide. I think he was on what like a five game goalless streak. And then Jordan Stall is just a beast too. And, and you're right, these, these Hurricanes are a lot more fun than they have been for the last four years.
- [51:02]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, they've been, they've been awesome to watch. Yeah. And Jordan stalled. He. He just keeps on doing. I mean he's. What do we say? I think he's 37 years old. I'll check that. But the fact that he just every Single game. That's so that.
- [51:17]
PFT Commenter
That's.
- [51:18]
Big Cat
That's every single game in the Stanley cup final. He scored a goal. It's insane to watch. And yeah, yeah. Like, I don't know if you're a Vegas Golden Knight fan, which we're literally just talking to Blutman right now. It hasn't gone well the last two games and it feels like you had the series, you know, if you go even back to game two and then ever since essentially game three when they. The 30. I know they ended up winning that game, the three goals in 39 seconds. But from that point on it feels like, oh, Korea just scored. It feels like the game. The. The. The series has been tilted towards the Hurricanes. Even though again, they lost that game, but from that point on they have just been dominant.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I'm looking for a flag.
- [52:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [52:07]
PFT Commenter
Not getting a flag. I think the main, main difference tonight was the crank.
- [52:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [52:13]
PFT Commenter
Dead Mike Commodore.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Commodore. Our boy.
- [52:15]
PFT Commenter
Our boy. Commie. We. We need to get him on. Part of my take. He's probably the funniest person I've ever spoken with. He'll just talk for like two hours and it's like every line is a punchline. That dude is the man. When I saw he was on the crank, I knew it might be a. A cane's kind of night.
- [52:30]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. He looked like a crazed man on that crank. And he. That we said the series was going to be decided by the crank off and pulling out Commodore in game five was a huge move. Commodore over T Pain right now. If you're looking at advanced analytics.
- [52:45]
PFT Commenter
I've always said that. Yeah.
- [52:47]
Big Cat
Do you think that the. The Knights finish it off? Do you think that after this weekend we'll have no more finals?
- [52:54]
PFT Commenter
No, I think. I think Stanley Cup's going seven.
- [52:58]
Big Cat
Oh, okay. With or without Carter Hartnett, I think
- [53:03]
PFT Commenter
they're going to make a change. I think torts was the fact that he said that that's the dumbest question he's ever been asked. Kind of tells me that he's. That's some little projecting right there. He thinks the lady goth protests too much.
- [53:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, I. I think. I guess I. If you could spin zone it. It was a good move by Torch to answer that way to if. If for some reason he has to stick with Carter Hart. You didn't just submarine his confidence. I don't know how his confidence could be lower. But you didn't make it. You didn't personally make it lower. You kept it status quo.
- [53:37]
PFT Commenter
Maybe he was saying it's the dumbest question he's ever heard. Because of course he's going to take him out.
- [53:41]
Big Cat
True. Good point. Yeah. Like, no, duh, dude. He's given up a million goals.
- [53:45]
PFT Commenter
Did you not hear that? He's the first goalie to. To allow five goals in his first Stanley cup games.
- [53:51]
Big Cat
All right, World cup, real quick. We started the World Cup. Mexico wins the inaugural game of the 2026 World Cup. Two nothing with three red cards. Red. Oh.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Oh,
- [54:05]
Big Cat
this game is crazy right now. Watch that PFT live PFT replay of just how close they. They came to scoring. Right there is the corner. It is a corner. Yes, the corner bet has hit. I love betting corners. If anyone. If anyone knows what a good corner bet is, please start sending me because I will bet every corner. Only overs. But if you're like, hey, this game's gonna have a lot of corners, just. Just hit me up. I'd appreciate that. Because there's something about corners because, like, soccer, you know, you're going to get only two or three goals. It feels like you're. If you bet the over in the game, you're going to end up with a var. That fucks you one way or the other. Corners, you just get corners. You get corners and they keep coming.
- [54:53]
PFT Commenter
Number five has a throw in. Like it's a corner kick. Yeah, that was crazy.
- [54:58]
Big Cat
But yeah, so the World cup has started and we're. We're getting ready for USA tonight. And yeah, the. The. The three red cards was nuts, though. They were playing 10 on nine at the end of the South. South Africa and Mexico. So.
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PFT Commenter
So in the last World cup in Qatar, guess how many red cards there were for the entire tournament?
- [55:15]
Big Cat
I'm gonna guess two, because you said it.
- [55:17]
PFT Commenter
Another four.
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Spencer Hawes
Oh, okay.
- [55:18]
PFT Commenter
There were four for the whole tournament. And then there were three in the opening match, which I saw Clint Dempsey saying. Like, they're just. They're setting a tone. They're just like. It's like in the preseason when. When refs, like, have a point of emphasis that they'd like to get across. That's what that game was. Everybody was watching it. Three red cards. They're like, yeah, we're not going to take any. They're going to take plenty of. Just, you know, when the games start to mean something, they'll. They'll keep the cards in their pocket, but hopefully, I guess their strategy is just like, scare them for the group stage.
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Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [55:50]
PFT Commenter
And, yeah, I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little bit nervous going into tomorrow because if we lose the. The nerves are just going to swallow us alive. And there's absolutely zero excuse to not making out of this group. I think I was talking to Titus about this earlier today. I think that if the United States does not make it out of their group, meaning they finish in third or more likely, fourth, because I think half the third place teams are going to get out. We should just eliminate soccer in the United States. We should stop playing soccer, make it against the law. If you see a child with a soccer ball, take it away, stab it, deflate it. Stab the ball, stab the ball. Make that clear. Deflate the ball, throw it away, light it on fire. It should be illegal to play soccer in the United States if we don't make it out of this group. That's what I've been saying, and that's how. That's how favorable the conditions are in this tournament. And if it doesn't happen, then that's it. You know what I was about to say? We had a good run. We had a terrible run. Let's never do it again, take our ball, go home, play real football.
- [56:54]
Big Cat
That's what I've been saying. I think we are. I think we're gonna get out of the group stage.
- [56:57]
PFT Commenter
I think so, too.
- [56:58]
Big Cat
Yeah. Okay. Anything else? I think. I think that's it. We got awesome rest of the show. What?
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PFT Commenter
One last thing? Yeah, one last thing. For the. For the World Cup, I did consult our two top football experts, Tom Fornelli and Brandon Walker, to give their picks on who can win the World cup, much like they did for. For college football this year. And Tom won that. Brandon's teams are Spain, Germany, Portugal, Netherlands. And then he threw in the United By God States of the. By God of America.
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Big Cat
Okay.
- [57:30]
PFT Commenter
And then Tom Pernelli's teams. France, England, Brazil, Argentina.
- [57:35]
Big Cat
He didn't. Tom didn't pick Italy.
- [57:38]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I was pretty shocked by that, too, I think. I don't think.
- [57:44]
Big Cat
What?
- [57:45]
PFT Commenter
What? What do you mean, Matt?
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Max
No, it was not in it.
- [57:47]
Big Cat
Oh, no?
- [57:49]
PFT Commenter
Why not? They're one of the best teams in the world.
- [57:51]
Max
Yeah, they won one recently, too.
- [57:54]
Big Cat
Yeah, they're not in it. That's crazy.
- [57:57]
PFT Commenter
They won last time, though, right? Huh? They won the last World cup, you mean?
- [58:01]
Max
No, they weren't in it that World cup either.
- [58:03]
Big Cat
They made it two times in a row.
- [58:05]
Max
Yeah, they. They either. They either like to win it or they don't like to be in it.
- [58:09]
Big Cat
Got it. That's the only two outcomes?
- [58:14]
Max
Pretty much, yeah.
- [58:15]
Big Cat
Okay. Okay.
- [58:16]
PFT Commenter
Crazy.
- [58:18]
Big Cat
All right, let's get to the rest of the show. We Got Spencer Hawes, who's at game five at msg, we have Brett Beelma. Both those guests in studio. Then we have very special Mount Rushmore with Mr. Lockwood in studio and fyre fest. Okay, before we get to our good friend, longtime guest Spencer Haas in studio, we're brought to you by Reese's. Nothing beat summer break. When you were a kid, it was a time off from school and sad school lunches. But you don't get summer break as a grown up, and that's a huge bummer. But the good news is you could at least take a break from sad work lunches this summer with Reese's limited edition cups and the return of The Reese's Strawberry, P.B. and J. Plus the all new Reese's marshmallow cup, which, by the way, incredible. We have a Reese's lounge here now in the office. The Reese's marshmallow cup is my favorite candy of all time. It's in. Actually, it's my second favorite candy of all time because my number one candy of all time is now the Reese's with the Oreo hybrid. Zach, do you agree?
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Zach
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- [61:02]
Spencer Hawes
When.
- [61:02]
Big Cat
When we first saw in Spencer. 2016.
- [61:04]
PFT Commenter
16.
- [61:05]
Big Cat
Yeah, 2016. Spencer Hawes.
- [61:08]
PFT Commenter
Spencer's one of two people in the world that got the recurring guest T shirt.
- [61:11]
Big Cat
Yes, actually, I have two of them. What?
- [61:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, don't you get two of them?
- [61:15]
Spencer Hawes
I'll. I'll bring one back.
- [61:17]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [61:17]
Spencer Hawes
I don't know how. Well, one of you guys, I don't
- [61:19]
Big Cat
know, but Spencer's here randomly, so he's here for a bachelor party in Chicago. And I was like, we're thinking about who we should have on today. And Spencer was at MSG for game four. The greatest comeback in NBA finals history. Now, oh, God, the part I didn't realize which kind of hurts because we haven't. Haven't taped for. For everyone listening right now. We haven't taped the full show yet. We haven't done the full recap of the game. I forgot that you were childhood friends with Mitch Johnson. So. Yeah, how's that going right now?
- [61:58]
Spencer Hawes
You know, you win, you win game five. We got keep it going.
- [62:02]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [62:03]
Spencer Hawes
Maybe they're too young to, to know what they've gotten into, but no, it wasn't great. That was not a lot of fun. Well, it was a lot of fun until it wasn't. And God, it was just kind of. It just kind of kept happening. You're like, all right, they'll, they'll stop. It'll stop the bleeding. And then credit to the Knicks, they just don't go away. They've done this all playoffs. But fuck that one. Stone.
- [62:23]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I can give you a spin zone, because I have used this one myself. I'm a fan of the Washington Commanders. Their head coach, Dan Quinn, always gets discussed with the 28 to 3. He was good enough to get a 28 to 3 lead in the Super Bowl. That's pretty good.
- [62:38]
Big Cat
They scored 76 points in the first half of the NBA 5.
- [62:43]
PFT Commenter
29 point lead in this. Like, that's pretty good.
- [62:45]
Big Cat
That's insane. Dude.
- [62:46]
Spencer Hawes
I checked Twitter this morning. I made that mistake and the first thing that popped up was that comparison. So, yeah, good coaches, they've been up what, 15 points in every game at some point. And you know, they're young, they're going to make mistakes. But That's a spin zone.
- [63:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [63:03]
Spencer Hawes
Like I said, they're going to flip it maybe. They're so young and they don't know the difference. And yeah, game five, go back to gardening game six, see what happens.
- [63:12]
Big Cat
It is. I do think it's not fair. Like we've, because Wemby has been so good and the spurs team has been so much fun that like we forget that every single guy. This is essentially their first playoffs, including Mitch Johnson, which is like, it's almost like we're putting the criticism, criticism on them. Like they're a battled team that's been there time and time again and they're blowing it. It's like this is what happens. This is why it's so hard to win an NBA Finals when you haven't been in the playoffs before.
- [63:39]
Spencer Hawes
It's. It's hard to win it in any scenario. And I was trying to be optimistic this morning. I was thinking of, I'm trying to, trying to stay positive. And then I had a negative memory. I thought back to my Clippers team that O.
- [63:52]
Big Cat
No.
- [63:52]
Spencer Hawes
Also blew a pretty sizable advantage in that series 2015. And you know, you, you feel it coming when you're on the other side of it. And we're. I think we're up 20 going in the fourth quarter of, of the first game we lost at home. And the momentum can shift by, by the game. I mean obviously by the half in the playoffs. Look, last night's perfect example. But you know it, you never know how long you're going to have it. You don't want to ever let go of it. But it can shift quickly and it does shift quickly. And the spurs can get that, get that back. You know, they've started well every game that hasn't been an issue. You worry about that a lot with younger teams. Get off to a good start, ride the home court advantage and okay, I
- [64:35]
Big Cat
got a question off that, but I have another positive spin zone in a second. But the question on that, the. You talk about being on the Clippers 20 point lead blown in the playoffs. What said in the huddle when that starts to shift, is it like. Because it felt like the spurs for a minute there had figured out like, hey, we're not making any shots. We got to attack the basket. They're getting to the free throw line a little bit. It felt like they settled it in there. And then you have the, the Carl Anthony Towns 3, which was insane. You have, you know, like all these things happen and it just like it. What happened in the second half and maybe you could tell me I'm wrong, but it felt like they just started settling a little too much for the three pointers and for like, Wemby not going inside. It's like sometimes you just got to barrel your way inside and just get to the free throw line.
- [65:18]
Spencer Hawes
Well, in. In that fourth quarter, they were in the bonus, I think, with eight or nine minutes, you know, lot you have to take advantage of that. But it's, you know, the quick threes, I think were what. What really killed them down the stretch in that second half. They shot 60 some percent in the first half. You got. You kind of know, even when it's rolling, you know, that's water's gonna find its level. But I think, you know, some of those quick shots and get a rebound, the threes open. Yes, that's the best time to shoot statistically, the best time to shoot a three. But time and score, and they're learning it the hard way.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah. There was that one sequence that was like, missed three offensive rebound, missed three offense rebound, missed three defense rebound.
- [65:58]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [65:58]
PFT Commenter
And yeah, you're right. Like the clock, you need to be aware that each possession is actually, to a certain extent, worth points.
- [66:05]
Spencer Hawes
And every 10 seconds, you run off, you know, deeper and you get a reset, you run off 10 seconds. That all adds up to them. That's how you run the clock out. And concurrently, I swear, when the Knicks get an offensive rebound, which they're incredible at, it's like they convert it every time. Yeah, I can remember one off the top of my head in the series where they missed it. But, like, they just do an incredible job of making teams pay when they give up the offensive rebounds, and that's one of the things they're best at.
- [66:30]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [66:31]
PFT Commenter
So as a big man, I want to hear your perspective on. On Wimby, because we debated this on last show whether or not Wimby was a dirty player, because he's starting to like the words getting tossed around a little bit now. He plays with an edge. He's angry sometimes. But what I saw over the last few games is I think players are starting to realize that he does. He's got a temper and he's young and he doesn't necessarily know how to control that, but they'll. They'll just kind of like nudge him around, give him a little elbows, you know, just beat him up a little bit. It knowing that if you do it to him, he will eventually snap in a big way. And it's. God damn it, it's easy to catch Wimby when he like pushes somebody because he's got the dulcine arms that go flying.
- [67:08]
Spencer Hawes
It's hard to control those things.
- [67:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [67:11]
PFT Commenter
So they'll know that he'll like, he'll, he'll flip out if you just kind of with him enough. Is that, do you think that that's something about like Wimby just being young or is it, is it more than that?
- [67:21]
Spencer Hawes
I, I think that's part of it. I don't think he's a dirty player. I think. I personally, I love the elbow in the Minnesota series. I think everybody's got a breaking point. It, it kind of reminds me when I was a kid and you're, you know, you're so much bigger than the other kids and you know, they weren't hanging on me like that by the time I got to the NBA. But you just, they beat you up, they're hanging on you, they're grabbing you and you just, you kind of get to your breaking point. And I think as he gets older, as he matures, he'll learn how to channel that better. But I. They're doing a lot of shit to him too. And I think a lot of that gets missed. You always. It's like getting in a fight at school. They always catch the person that retaliates. And he does have some long ass arms.
- [68:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, they always catch a mind of their own.
- [68:04]
Big Cat
Well, that was my other spin zone with Wemby. I do think in game four you could see it. And it's happened a bunch in these playoffs when it's only one, one day off in between. He does kind of run out of gas and that is like the Knicks are trying to run him. That's what they're. You can't really beat. I think we found like trying to beat him up is not really working. It's. You got to run him to the point where he gets gassed and that's when he starts to float out and become like a guard and not a 75 freak. Now the rest of the series, you got two days in between each game. So he might have his gas. And when he has it, it's like he's so dominant. You can see it almost instantly when he comes out and he has that, that full tank.
- [68:44]
Spencer Hawes
He's got kind of a pep that's becoming pretty recognizable. And it's instant.
- [68:49]
Big Cat
It's usually like game will start and he'll be like lob at the rim.
- [68:53]
Spencer Hawes
Well, it's imparts his will so much early and then you Know, I think that's a good point. He's going to have plenty of time to fill up the gas tank, and he. You can kind of see it when he shoots, when he's on balance and his momentum is going towards the hoop. It's either a makeup or it's the back rim. But it's. I mean, he's. He's too good of a shooter to sometimes have the misses that he does. But when he gets tired and he starts kind of drifting sideways or backwards, it's like, anecdotally, it seems like not many, if any of those ones go in.
- [69:23]
Big Cat
Right.
- [69:24]
Spencer Hawes
And that usually speaks to being tired. And, I mean, look, none of these guys have played this much basketball in any of their lives this deep in the season. At least the guys for the spurs that. That are still playing at this point, right outside of maybe Cornet. So it's new to all of them, and they got to really take advantage of the rest in between. Between game days, because they do have that advantage of being the young team and. And have, you know, having the young legs.
- [69:51]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [69:51]
PFT Commenter
When did you have the moment last night where you just kind of looked around, you're like, oh, shit.
- [69:55]
Spencer Hawes
The oh, fuck moment. It wasn't. It wasn't when they took the lead. I think. I think after that. After Josh Hart missed the layup.
- [70:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [70:09]
Spencer Hawes
And then the sequence after that, I think that was like, oh, if we can't. Like, the Garden just went. I mean, it had been crazy.
- [70:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. Was that the loudest you'd ever heard of a place?
- [70:22]
Spencer Hawes
It had to be close. I mean, it was tough because it. The first, I don't know, 36 minutes of basketball, it was dead. You know, they were. They were. They were going early. They were talking, and I was talking my. And then I kind of had to start curtailing that a little bit, but no incredible atmosphere. But, yeah, that. After that, after he smoked that layup and then the sequence after that, I was like, God damn it. This is. This is just. You get that feeling where whether you'd been up 20 Harmony points or not, you're like, they're at home now. Brunson's got it in his hands, Alvarado's running around making double twirl labs, and it's like, oh, boy.
- [71:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [71:01]
PFT Commenter
The opposite of that moment where you could sense, like, the. The Garden crowd kind of allowed themselves to be a little curious. They're like, huh, what's going on?
- [71:09]
Spencer Hawes
That's a great. That's actually a great description.
- [71:11]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [71:11]
PFT Commenter
That was when I Think it was a Josh Hart three from the top.
- [71:15]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [71:16]
PFT Commenter
Right.
- [71:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [71:17]
PFT Commenter
And. And I think it might have been.
- [71:18]
Spencer Hawes
Was that off of rebound as well?
- [71:20]
PFT Commenter
I think, yeah. Shot well and it was.
- [71:21]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, I made it three.
- [71:22]
PFT Commenter
Like, yeah, this three. It cut the lead, I believe, to 16.
- [71:26]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [71:26]
PFT Commenter
Which is crazy. Like, they were.
- [71:27]
Spencer Hawes
You're like, oh, that, that.
- [71:29]
PFT Commenter
But that's the point.
- [71:30]
Big Cat
It was the 1916. Like.
- [71:32]
Spencer Hawes
Like, yeah, when it's just going back and forth.
- [71:34]
Big Cat
But. Yeah, but you get.
- [71:36]
Spencer Hawes
You get. Depending on the league, you get under that threshold and now all of a sudden the rim gets smaller, the butthole start tightening up. You know, it's like that. That's the point where you like, if. That's why coaches always say, all right, if we can just cut it to 10 by half, we can cut it to 10, cut it to 8 by going into the fourth. That's when you know that human nature gets in you and it just. You just tighten up.
- [72:00]
Big Cat
It was, I think, I think what you were talking about, pfd. I think the moment was right at the start of the fourth, when it was. I think this fourth started as a 15 point spurs lead. And it might have gone to like 18 or 19. You're like, all right, this is over. And then they got it back and they're like, wait a second. It was like about nine minutes left.
- [72:15]
PFT Commenter
You're like, it might have been it.
- [72:16]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
- [72:18]
PFT Commenter
It was a 16 point lead. And they're like, I don't want to say anything, but let's. Let's pay attention now.
- [72:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [72:23]
Spencer Hawes
Oh, and that. It was quick after that, because they were. After that. It was. I mean, we weren't even until the third quarter. Like, I expect to be standing the whole time. That's what my buddy that went to game one told me. Or game, sorry, game three. He's like, you're gonna be up the whole. I'm like, fucking great. Sounds awesome. And it wasn't really until that point that it's just like the collective all rise. Yeah, I've heard in church or something.
- [72:47]
PFT Commenter
I know that you have a. A deep love for cam' Ron them, and I do. I've seen them all over, like, some of the sports channels, talking ball.
- [72:54]
Spencer Hawes
He had a cowboy hat on. First take the other day.
- [72:56]
PFT Commenter
He did, Yeah, I saw that. What was. What was the Wu Tang Clan concert like at halftime?
- [73:00]
Spencer Hawes
Honestly, I was out getting a beer. I didn't. I didn't hear any of the ones I was hoping for in the background.
- [73:08]
PFT Commenter
They did their new stuff yeah, check
- [73:10]
Spencer Hawes
out this new dropping soon. It's like, nah, man. Come on, Raekwon, play the hits.
- [73:16]
Big Cat
He only got 10 minutes.
- [73:17]
Spencer Hawes
That is true, I guess. I don't know. I got caught up in the beer line.
- [73:21]
PFT Commenter
Did you ever tell the story you had like a dipset room?
- [73:24]
Spencer Hawes
I did. It's now my nursery.
- [73:27]
Big Cat
Oh, no way.
- [73:28]
PFT Commenter
So what was on the wall in the dipset room back now, the nursery?
- [73:31]
Spencer Hawes
It wasn't nothing on the wall. I had a couple pillows, a shower curtain, and then the duvet cover.
- [73:39]
PFT Commenter
I love that. I love. That's where the baby's at.
- [73:41]
Spencer Hawes
And my wife got rid of that pretty quickly when she moved in.
- [73:45]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [73:46]
Big Cat
All right, so. So let's go. Positive memories. You've been following the Spurs. You've been going to a bunch of games. How awesome was it to beat the former Sonics now Thunder in okc to watch your childhood friend who's from Seattle take down that franchise in game seven? Because you were there, right?
- [74:05]
Spencer Hawes
It was, it was the fucking greatest. Like one of my top sports moments, playing fan. I mean, everything's kind of been last minute. Buddy and I flew down there. We're like, it. We gotta go. Love shout out my wife, Hannah, because she's been awesome.
- [74:20]
Big Cat
She's.
- [74:21]
Spencer Hawes
She's pregnant right now at home and she's been telling. She's like, go, you gotta go. You know, go support your friend. So it kind of came together quickly. We didn't like booking the hotel room on the flight kind of thing. And I mean, I hate that place. I hate that, I hate that team, I hate that city. I have a great respect for him and I've met friends in the front office, but it's like they, they did something. They brainwashed the fans down there. Like, we had multiple people telling us, why do you guys vote to let.
- [74:57]
Coach Brett Bielema
To.
- [74:57]
Spencer Hawes
To let the team leave? Why do you want to keep your team? They like, they spun this fucking narrative. And like, even after, after they win, this 7 year old woman's in front of me, walking out talking shit to us. And it's the same thing. Why do you guys want your team to leave? It's like, oh my God, watch Sonic skate.
- [75:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's like, what a. A guy tells like his new wife, like, this is why I got divorced. And then they meet and then they start talking and they're like, oh, wait, no, he's not such a great guy. Yeah, you should go on Mean Girl podcast and talk about it there.
- [75:29]
Spencer Hawes
No, but it was, that was pretty. It was a pretty special and for me, I mean is his dad was a John. John Johnson's Sonic champion. Like it's. Yeah, it's in, in the bloodline.
- [75:40]
Big Cat
Yeah. What did you have any conversation with Mitch about? Did you give him a heads up that the titties were behind him broadcast?
- [75:48]
Spencer Hawes
I think he's aware at this point.
- [75:50]
Big Cat
It's, he's been quite something to see every time. They gave him a lot of camera time in that series.
- [75:56]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah. And then it was like someone, someone higher up must have made a call because all of a sudden you weren't getting those same.
- [76:02]
Big Cat
Those same for the NBA Finals.
- [76:04]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [76:04]
Big Cat
We prepared Mike Breen for it. Are the Sonics going to come back?
- [76:07]
Spencer Hawes
I hope so. I just. Within the last week, the Kraken ownership group that sounds like they're getting ready to put the bid in for the, for the expansion added a pretty, pretty flush woman, Melinda Gates to their crew. So I think they got their whale now and everything's in place. They got a great arena, the fans are ready and we're hoping. But we're not going to get too excited. We've been fooled too many times.
- [76:31]
Big Cat
Seattle deserves it. By the way, congratulations on the Super Bowl. Thank you.
- [76:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [76:34]
Big Cat
Hey, that was an, that was an incredible run. Sam Darnold.
- [76:37]
Spencer Hawes
The guy, the man.
- [76:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [76:39]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [76:40]
Big Cat
He's elite.
- [76:40]
PFT Commenter
It's been a great sports show. You, you've been at the forefront of bringing the Sonics back and I do think that we're closer than ever. The only thing I could see standing in the way would be like if they say Vegas has to get their team first. I hope they don't do that.
- [76:52]
Spencer Hawes
That'd be some pretty bad by the marketing department if they let that happen.
- [76:57]
Big Cat
I would agree with that.
- [76:57]
Spencer Hawes
I don't know that that's. I don't think that builds brand equity with any of the fans there, do you?
- [77:04]
Big Cat
If the Sonics come back or when the Sonics come back, I should say, do you think there's a chance maybe
- [77:09]
Spencer Hawes
get a 10 day retire Sonic? Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
- [77:13]
Big Cat
That would be cool. Could you get back how, how many minutes could you give a team right now? The Nets.
- [77:19]
Spencer Hawes
The nets. Good. 12 to 15.
- [77:22]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [77:22]
Spencer Hawes
I still, I still play a little bit.
- [77:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, we are. We're actively looking into the, the free agent market right now for a backup big man in Washington. I should preface that by saying as a wizard stakeholder, we'd be interested.
- [77:35]
Spencer Hawes
I told you earlier, I'm always curious. Yeah, I like what they're doing down there.
- [77:39]
PFT Commenter
You should be you should be. And I think as a season ticket holder, I think that entitles me to make one personnel move. I think that's, like, the extra thing that they tossed in for me. So I would. I would like to get you a tryout for the Whiz.
- [77:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [77:51]
Spencer Hawes
Give me some time to get in shape.
- [77:52]
Big Cat
Okay. Yeah. Also, congratulations on. I. I haven't seen you in a couple years. Congratulations on being in a real conference now in college sports.
- [78:02]
Spencer Hawes
So that's been a tough transition.
- [78:03]
Big Cat
Welcome to the Big Ten.
- [78:04]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, we're gonna be good this year. Now that. Now our quarterback figured out he couldn't. Yeah.
- [78:10]
Big Cat
The Badgers were so bad. We beat you. So.
- [78:13]
Spencer Hawes
Fortunately, I did not watch that game. I was playing in a golf tournament.
- [78:16]
Big Cat
Oh, that's interesting.
- [78:17]
Spencer Hawes
And I. Sounds like I didn't miss much. No, it was better that I didn't. Yeah, it sounded like just a sh.
- [78:23]
Big Cat
I don't think we completed. We completed, like, one pass or something.
- [78:26]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, I don't. They were telling. We didn't get past midfield.
- [78:28]
PFT Commenter
You had a great first quarter against Ohio State last year.
- [78:31]
Spencer Hawes
That's true.
- [78:31]
PFT Commenter
That was a really good first quarter.
- [78:33]
Big Cat
Yeah, we. I mean, listen, that. That stadium is one of my favorite stadiums to watch a game at because the. The angle's so high, and it. You can feel it rock. I love something about college football. And you just see Husky Stadium, you're like, yeah, this is sick.
- [78:46]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah. I mean, I grew up, like, earmuffs going. It's my favorite. Like, if you said you get one sporting event in one place, that's.
- [78:53]
Big Cat
That's it.
- [78:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's pretty great.
- [78:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [78:55]
PFT Commenter
Are you gonna go to any World cup games there?
- [78:57]
Spencer Hawes
Yes, I got tickets. As of now. I got tickets for Bosnia, Egypt, maybe. And then.
- [79:05]
PFT Commenter
No love lost when those teams get to you.
- [79:07]
Coach Brett Bielema
No, no.
- [79:07]
Spencer Hawes
What a classic. I actually know classic rivalry.
- [79:10]
PFT Commenter
We're talking earlier. You got the. The pride match.
- [79:12]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah. We'll see how that goes. And then I got around a 32 in July.
- [79:18]
PFT Commenter
Nice.
- [79:19]
Spencer Hawes
So that could get interesting.
- [79:20]
PFT Commenter
Nice. That's gonna be fun.
- [79:21]
Big Cat
All right, so my last question. Rollback question. Rhobac.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo take. I will have Zach ask a question, but I have a question for you for the Back to the Spurs. What is said now after that? Like, is it. What. How do you get off the mat? Because I do think, like, the craziest part about this series is I actually am now. I went in this series being like, you know, the Knicks are better, the spurs aren't ready. I think the spurs are better, but they're not ready because you see game two and game four, those are games that like a seasoned vet team closes and finishes and doesn't have those errors. So what do you say to try to like. Because I still think the spurs could be in this, like if they win game five. You never know.
- [80:07]
Spencer Hawes
They, I mean another good start. But that hasn't been a problem that in any of the games a series for him. And I think you got to come beat the shit out of them at home and send a message that you found something, you've made an adjustment, you got something that you're going to stick with as it goes along. Get to game six in the Garden. You've already proven you can win there
- [80:29]
Big Cat
and you've also proven you can lose like really badly.
- [80:32]
PFT Commenter
Well, not really badly, just in heartbreaking fashion.
- [80:35]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, a one point game, horrific fashion.
- [80:38]
PFT Commenter
The good news, I don't think that you've proven both the losses can't get any more heartbreaking.
- [80:43]
Spencer Hawes
Well, you lose the one that loses the series, that's more heartbreaking.
- [80:46]
PFT Commenter
But yeah, I still think that even if that does happen, you point back to, to last night and you're like, that's the one that.
- [80:52]
Spencer Hawes
No, that was pretty brutal.
- [80:53]
PFT Commenter
But you know what, A good team will learn from that and a good team will use that and actually get a lot better.
- [80:59]
Spencer Hawes
Oh, absolutely. And I mean they've been doing it, they've been resilient all playoffs and they put themselves in positions in earlier rounds and you know, look at the Oklahoma City series. They won the game that they needed to at home and then they went in there and took down the champs. So they've proven they can do it now it's.
- [81:16]
Big Cat
Do you still believe?
- [81:17]
Spencer Hawes
Oh, I believe you believe fully. Spurs in seven.
- [81:19]
Big Cat
Spurs and seven.
- [81:20]
PFT Commenter
And Zach is a, he's a Knicks fan.
- [81:23]
Big Cat
Yeah, he's going to game five.
- [81:24]
PFT Commenter
Zach. Go for his throat. Zach, wait.
- [81:27]
Big Cat
Your headphones. Spencer, put on your headphones.
- [81:30]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, sorry, it's been a little rusty, boys.
- [81:33]
PFT Commenter
Zach, you got this.
- [81:34]
Zach
What's going on? Spencer, how are you today, man?
- [81:36]
Spencer Hawes
I've been better, Zach. How are you?
- [81:38]
Zach
I'll be full transparency. Having a great day, Spencer.
- [81:41]
Spencer Hawes
Bet you are.
- [81:42]
Zach
I appreciate your time today. I was curious with the way the, this purse team. I know it's a young team, but I mean 29 points in a playoff game. Kind of not be able to close that deal. Do you at the end of the season. If it doesn't go the way you guys wanted it to go or the spurs wanted to go, I apologize. Do you think about me moving around some guys or do you stick with who you got? Like, do you. Is there any thought to maybe, like, they couldn't do it? Got some.
- [82:07]
Spencer Hawes
It's tricky because, I mean, it's. Everyone say, like, this is the worst the spurs are ever going to be. This their floor, they're going to keep getting better. And I don't know, I'm not a front office guy. That's. I think they clearly have every piece to be able to compete. And I think in a year of growth, it's. It's a tough one because I don't have a straight answer for you. I. I think there's areas where they need to get better, they need to get bigger, they need to get more rebounding. I think Carter Bryant is. Is going to be that guy. I don't know if that's by next season or not, but there's definitely things they need to address. I don't know whether they have it internally or not, but. You better get this one.
- [82:51]
Zach
You think maybe got to get this one.
- [82:54]
Spencer Hawes
I think the league, the Knicks, certainly, I think the rest of the league, it's going to be, you know, if. If the big fella keeps going, how he's going, it could be. Could get a little scary.
- [83:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [83:04]
PFT Commenter
If you were to take one part of your game and give it to Wimby, make him the total package, what would that be?
- [83:13]
Spencer Hawes
A 15 foot post up, face up job, jump shot.
- [83:18]
PFT Commenter
I like that.
- [83:20]
Spencer Hawes
I think we were talking, I think Dirk, maybe less Monks this summer. More Dirk.
- [83:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [83:26]
PFT Commenter
I mean, I could see him doing that.
- [83:27]
Spencer Hawes
Or do the Monks too?
- [83:28]
PFT Commenter
Is women.
- [83:28]
Spencer Hawes
Maybe the monks. To keep with the controlling, the emotional maturity.
- [83:33]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, I think the monk thing, we looked at that and we were like, oh, this guy's about to unlock like something that no one's ever seen in terms of just like tapping into the weird.
- [83:41]
Spencer Hawes
The third eye.
- [83:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [83:42]
PFT Commenter
It's like you when Uma Thurman goes away and kill Bill and then comes back, kills everybody. Right. And with Wimby, I don't know, we were discussing this. Do you think Wimby is too French or do you think he's not French enough?
- [83:56]
Spencer Hawes
I don't see. I don't think he's that French. I think he's got. I think he's got a lot of prick in him, which. In the best possible way.
- [84:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Like competitor.
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Spencer Hawes
Yeah, yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And I. I love that about him and that's why I want him to be able to like, channel that at some point.
- [84:09]
Spencer Hawes
He's not your traditional western European basketball player. He plays more like a guy from the Balkans.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's a good point. Memes, do you have any questions for Spencer Memes, also Knicks fan.
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Spencer Hawes
This is mean you guys are doing piling on me.
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Memes
I'll ask, I'll ask a friendly one. Where's the best place big pick up big old women in San Antonio?
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Spencer Hawes
Apparently behind the spurs bench.
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Big Cat
No, I think Memes looking for bigger.
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Spencer Hawes
The Riverwalk.
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Big Cat
Okay, get on the Riverwalk. Yeah, the boys, I mean, listen, they're going game five. The lob is going to be in the building. They've got all their plans set. It's going to be something.
- [84:49]
Spencer Hawes
It's going to be rocking. I hope they do the fiesta colors.
- [84:52]
Big Cat
You like those?
- [84:53]
Spencer Hawes
I love that.
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PFT Commenter
It looks gorgeous.
- [84:55]
Big Cat
They got to go all blackout, you know, Blackout.
- [84:58]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, but then if, if you lose, you wear black to your own funeral.
- [85:00]
Big Cat
Yeah, true.
- [85:01]
PFT Commenter
But that's okay. Then it just becomes like goth. Like everyone's sad.
- [85:04]
Spencer Hawes
I thought that was kind of over.
- [85:05]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, no, I like the. I like the fiesta colors. It's just they don't strike me. They don't strike the fear of God in your opponent.
- [85:11]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's true.
- [85:12]
Spencer Hawes
You kind of get a little like, oh, we're at a little party.
- [85:14]
Big Cat
It's kind of fun.
- [85:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I like it.
- [85:15]
Big Cat
Have you, have you hung out with the team at all? Have you been around the team?
- [85:20]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, I mean, this last last few weeks. And like there's Olenek. I remember you graduated with my sister. Plumlee was my tenant. And in California. So the old guys. I know, you know, the young guys.
- [85:32]
Big Cat
Have you seen Steph Castle smile? That's a no, man.
- [85:37]
Spencer Hawes
I don't think so.
- [85:38]
Big Cat
That's what I love about him.
- [85:39]
Spencer Hawes
His dad smiles all the time. Yeah, I've seen his dad the last couple games. He's the man.
- [85:43]
Big Cat
He's such a. He. He's a. This is probably going to be a wrong comp. And people be like, this is stupid. I. He's kind of like a mini Jimmy Butler right now. Whereas, like, he's getting to that point, like just so good defensively. Gets to his spots.
- [85:57]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah, I. He's got some D, Wade.
- [86:00]
Big Cat
Yeah, a little bit of that too. I love his game.
- [86:03]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [86:03]
Big Cat
Defensively he's just like. That's, that's why Brunson is not. And I know he scored 36 on game four. But like, his shooting numbers haven't been great. It's Steph Castle's picking him up fucking 80ft from the basket.
- [86:15]
Spencer Hawes
I don't know that there's another guy in the league that has a combination of the size that he has and the foot speed, the agility to be able to like be guys to the spot, take the hit in the chest and have it now. He does get a little overzealous with I think feels a little froggy and he reaches from time to time. But I mean, that's an incredible ability to have an advantage to have as an on ball defender.
- [86:37]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Spencer, you're the best long time. One of our first guys ever on the show. So we appreciate your support. You know, we celebrated 10 years. But seriously, like, congratulations, you're one of
- [86:48]
Spencer Hawes
those guys, but you were in the NBA.
- [86:51]
Big Cat
You're like, hey, I like these guys. It was that, that meant a lot to us. So it means, you know, you've always been a friend. So appreciate it.
- [86:58]
Spencer Hawes
Cheers to the first ten and many more. Yes.
- [87:01]
Big Cat
Thanks, Spencer.
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PFT Commenter
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Big Cat
Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest recurring guest head football coach of the Illinois fighting align night. It is Brett Bielema in studio who's now I think this is your third or fourth time coming on.
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Coach Brett Bielema
I Think it's three or four.
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Big Cat
It's kind of crazy that we've, we just become legitimate friends through everything, all of our history. And like I, even this past year I, I met your wife who we had the back and forth with and we've become friends. So it's great to have you here. It's great to talk football.
- [88:30]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [88:31]
Big Cat
Even though we're, I think we're probably like 90 days out, it's still good to talk some football. Do you feel it coming?
- [88:36]
Coach Brett Bielema
93 days out from our opener.
- [88:38]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [88:38]
Coach Brett Bielema
But we open up on a Thursday so we're a little bit ahead of everybody else. But yeah, it's 93 days out.
- [88:43]
Big Cat
Yeah. And you look great. You got the Hawaiian shirt on. Why are you dressed like this today?
- [88:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
You know, I think two things. First, I want to come on and be comfortable. Right. So I, I kind of bring out my Andy Reid and herself with a, with, with a Hawaiian shirt. But also just this is a little Tommy look.
- [89:02]
Big Cat
Yup.
- [89:03]
Coach Brett Bielema
We're a Nike school, but like to wrap the Tommy every once in a while. Yeah, that's good.
- [89:06]
PFT Commenter
It's a great looking shirt. Uh, and no spring football game for you guys, right?
- [89:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
We didn't. You know, I was going to pitch two things to you guys. Right. Like first, the well being of Illinois football. But I know you're into buying big things. We are putting in the largest video board in all of the world. United States. Not just college football, the biggest TV on the planet. TV on the planet. Okay, so our old one is for sale.
- [89:29]
Big Cat
How big is that one?
- [89:30]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's big. I don't think it would fit in your gym, but maybe like a section
- [89:34]
PFT Commenter
of it on the roof maybe.
- [89:36]
Big Cat
Listen, we could fit. I just bought some goal posts.
- [89:38]
Coach Brett Bielema
I heard that.
- [89:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. So interesting.
- [89:41]
Coach Brett Bielema
I now scoreboard. I mean, who has a scoreboard?
- [89:43]
Big Cat
How big is this scoreboard? Because I feel like this happens every year.
- [89:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
This one's huge. So we have a huge Larry Geese. We also have the Geese School of Business, which is a big school in Illinois. He also is Larry Geese Memorial Stadium now. And he forwarded us a neighborhood of 150, 200 million. And I think a good portion of that is going to this new scoreboard. They actually recommended that we. We have several practices where the scoreboard is playing because I think it's kind of the whole Cowboys big Jumbo. Yeah. Like looks like you need to look at it.
- [90:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [90:16]
PFT Commenter
So, so where is the, the new jumbotron going to be located? Is it going to be like a sideline or end zone or what?
- [90:22]
Coach Brett Bielema
You know, kind of a cool setup. I know you guys have been there, but, like, so the basketball arena is across the street from us, and then you come into the. Our stadium, and it's right in the middle of those two.
- [90:33]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [90:33]
Coach Brett Bielema
So it's really cool when you're coming down the main road into champagne. Like, this thing is going up. I mean, just the framework is there right now. It's, like, ginormous. It's just absolutely ridiculous.
- [90:44]
Big Cat
Okay, well, I'm interested in maybe a piece of the old one.
- [90:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
The old one would be awesome.
- [90:48]
Big Cat
Yeah, I like that.
- [90:50]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. Electronics. You might want to hit them up.
- [90:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [90:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
I can't believe they can sell it to anybody.
- [90:54]
PFT Commenter
Well, yeah. So what are they going to do with it?
- [90:56]
Coach Brett Bielema
That's what I'd say.
- [90:57]
Big Cat
This office.
- [90:57]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, this office.
- [90:58]
Coach Brett Bielema
I saw you bought the. There was some banner you bought the other day. I'm like, yeah, the Florida State.
- [91:03]
Big Cat
The coach is here today. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta.
- [91:05]
Coach Brett Bielema
Dude, you need a scoreboard.
- [91:06]
Big Cat
Yeah, you gotta actually go piss in the Bill's trough. I got the Buffalo Bills trough.
- [91:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
Appreciate it.
- [91:10]
Big Cat
So, yeah, you're gonna have to go do that and sign the wall. All right. What was the second thing?
- [91:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, just a overall goodwill of Illinois football, I think, would be the big.
- [91:19]
Big Cat
Yeah, See, here's where our friendship has to stop, because, like, we are friends. But also, you're. You pushed it a little too much because I.
- [91:26]
Coach Brett Bielema
But did I not give you great college memories?
- [91:28]
Big Cat
You gave me great college memories. But then I had. Had. I had the thing that I said a couple months ago where I was like, hey, no one from Wisconsin's reached out. Since then, I've had some really good conversations. Got some big stuff coming with Wisconsin nil. The very first text after the show went live was Coach Bielema being like, hey, just so you know, your money's good here. And I was like, please don't do this.
- [91:49]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah, I'm glad they responded.
- [91:52]
Big Cat
Yeah, you were doing a good job. I mean, listen, you're networking.
- [91:54]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. You know, after. We're not going to mention names or teams, but there's a certain Barstool employee that tied into Michigan and they took one of my guys.
- [92:04]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [92:05]
Coach Brett Bielema
For a check. Right.
- [92:06]
Big Cat
And yeah, I don't know if he's an employee. He owns the company.
- [92:10]
PFT Commenter
But, yeah, yeah, it's partially him. It's partially Larry Ellis. Who's to say who contributes money?
- [92:16]
Big Cat
We don't know who we're talking about right now. Could be anyone.
- [92:18]
Coach Brett Bielema
Anybody.
- [92:20]
PFT Commenter
Have you paid Attention to the bill that's about to go through Congress. Congress right now. Because we, we just talked to a senator the other day and he kind of explained everything and it seems like they've got. It's a bipartisan deal.
- [92:30]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
So it's not going to be like left wing versus right wing or anything like that. But they've been setting this up with the help of, I guess a lot of football coaches. And so what are your thoughts on the bill that's. That's going through.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Right.
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PFT Commenter
And how it's supposed to like make things even.
- [92:42]
Coach Brett Bielema
One of the cool things. I'm also on the afca, which American Football Coaches Association. So we have actually hired lobbyists that, that work with Washington on certain things. So we had been a privy to this quite a bit and that, that bill that you mentioned, there's a lot of really good things in it, but there's some things also that kind of go contradicting to what we're trying to get accomplished. So like anything probably there's some good and some bad, but I think anything that could help us get some college football is out of place. I'm sure as you guys know, you love the game like it's at an unprecedented high. It's absolutely awesome. Players getting paid, people are watching us more than ever. The atmosphere that we're at, whether we're going to go to 12, 16, 24, whatever it is, I think it's all positive. But there are some things that we just got to get in line, like the spending that's going on, some of the transfer rules. Like there's just some, some craziness that goes on right now that, that the NFL has some. Three good things that go on for them. They have the draft, they have a salary cap and they have a scheduling that rotates every year based on your performance. Those are three really good things that have made the NFL what it is. And I think the more we pay attention to that in college football, I think the better we'd be as well.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. And so do you guys have a new defense that you're putting in this year?
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Coach Brett Bielema
We did. You're a defensive guy, so. Yeah. My man Johnny Newton had three sacks, right. He's going to be an unbelievable.
- [94:01]
PFT Commenter
He's a one man wrecking ball.
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Coach Brett Bielema
He's phenomenal. Should have been a first rounder. You know, he broke his foot in combine prep, so that's what pushed him to the second round. But, but he's a phenomenal player and his little brother's on our team as well, so. But I would say that when I entered the league six years ago, this is going into my sixth year at Illinois, we were running a defense that really only one or two other teams played in the whole league last year. At the end of the year we were playing a defense that 13 other teams played in an 18 man league. So I really, Notre Dame came in and grabbed my defense coordinator and with that, the chance to move and transition to a new defense was there. And that's why we brought in this 335, which is a really a unique scheme, very unique preparation. We're the only team in our league running it. Really one of the few in college football. So the prep for us is going to be very unique and different and that's made main driving source.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's why you guys don't want to do a spring game. You don't put that on tape.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Well, it's because Big Cat's going to buy the scoreboard. We had a, we're putting in this scoreboard where there's, there's like 20 people in the end zone every day watching practice. So we literally couldn't run, run, run a spring drive.
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PFT Commenter
That's exciting stuff though.
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Big Cat
Yeah, I heard also you said you were talking about college football and like the changes everything. You, you're down for 32 teams.
- [95:14]
Coach Brett Bielema
No, that's bad reporting.
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Big Cat
Okay, well, I saw, I saw the headline 32. I saw that you wanted 64 teams.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah, no, what I said was, I think it was an on3 interview. And I said, hey, I would love to have as many teams enter the college football playoffs as humanly possible. I'm not saying 32.
- [95:30]
Big Cat
That's infinity.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Exactly. 24. I think 24. Because here's two reasons everybody wants to get their panties in a bunch about like what's going on. I think everybody has to understand, like there is no time in college football, in my opinion, where the 16 team or the 18th team in the country could possibly win it all. And you look at last year like Miami got in really the last seed and they were in a national championship game and could have won it. Right. And I just think with, with nil, with revenue share, with, with the transfer portal, teams can literally look at Indiana. Right?
- [96:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Two years after a guy takes over, they win a national championship walking away with it. So I think the more you can include. And then I would also argue, you know, the, the Illinois, Wisconsin game in Week 10 when maybe not everybody's paying attention, but we Both are at eight wins. We need to get to nine and to get to 10. That game is much more important now than ever before. And I think it would actually enhance the back half of the schedule and viewership and entertainment value than ever before. So I think the numbers 24. Tony Petitti. I think our commissioner is. He's five steps ahead of everybody else and I just think he has seen a vision of this and I think it'd be a really good thing.
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PFT Commenter
I don't love the idea of playoff expansion. Password. But if you do it, I feel like you would have to give maybe the top eight seeds a buy.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
- [96:52]
PFT Commenter
To get some competitive games in the first round.
- [96:54]
Big Cat
Right.
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Coach Brett Bielema
And then I think two things to this point. If you have a certain ranking right in the top. I believe it's actually top eight. You would get guaranteed the second game would be a playoff game at home.
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PFT Commenter
Yep. I like that.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Which now you. Nobody's going to sit a quarterback or a running back knowing that you could have your first two games, one be a buy and the other one be a home game. Like you're going to do everything you can. Right. To have a playoff and to play a home game. Can you imagine Camp Randall in the third week of December?
- [97:24]
Big Cat
It's.
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Coach Brett Bielema
It's sick. Right. Like it's in, I think, you know the big picture thinking what we're struggling with. And I love everybody's opinion. You guys have interviewed quite a few of them. Like they all want to live in 2010. It's 2026 for a reason.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Coach Brett Bielema
It's a different world. The last three years have changed revenue share, the transfer portal. Teams can't stockpile kids anymore. Right. Like I have 48, I have 110 players. 48% of my roster is new this year.
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Big Cat
It's crazy.
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Coach Brett Bielema
It's insane. When I was at Wisco, we would have maybe 20, 25 freshmen come in. That would be the only transition.
- [97:59]
Big Cat
And they wouldn't play. Yeah, most of them would play.
- [98:01]
Coach Brett Bielema
And now we got 55 guys that are new.
- [98:03]
PFT Commenter
That's nuts.
- [98:04]
Coach Brett Bielema
And it's young guys and it's fifth year. I got a guy, Jake Renfro, who played two years at Cincinnati for, for Luke and then played two years at Wisconsin and now he's on my roster.
- [98:14]
Big Cat
Right.
- [98:14]
Coach Brett Bielema
Crazy is that.
- [98:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, that is.
- [98:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
And he's a multi year starter.
- [98:17]
Big Cat
Right.
- [98:17]
Coach Brett Bielema
So it's just kind of crazy the world we're living in now.
- [98:19]
Big Cat
The expansion does have anything to do with the fact that you guys finished right around 24, 25 last year and the year before. Like 16 does.
- [98:26]
Coach Brett Bielema
It probably factors into it, but I've only been there five years.
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PFT Commenter
Okay?
- [98:30]
Coach Brett Bielema
Right. So I think the best is yet to come. So I do. I. I kind of just go back to every year. Even two years ago, we beat South Carolina in a bowl game. Everybody said South Carolina should have been in the playoffs two years ago. No, it was a tight bowl game. We had to manage the clock right and do the right things. But if you give me two weeks to pray, I'll get anybody. Like, I really believe that. Right. Like, if you can get healthy, get where you need to be, and you have the right quarterback, you have the right scheme, you have the right personality, anybody can. Anybody on any given Saturday, especially if you haven't played before.
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Big Cat
Now, I noticed, too, in talking about that you said, you know, guy went to Indiana and won it in two years. You didn't say his name.
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Coach Brett Bielema
6. Yeah, I got all the brother in the world, I think, you know, So I think one of the things I do like. Because here's what I do like. It's funny, in our league, right, we got 18 teams, right. A lot of different personalities in that room. You know, the guy I'm probably closest to, it sounds crazy, like. And I know a lot of people are going to say, like, who's he Very similar to, but, like, I really enjoy. You know, I played in coast at Iowa. Right.
- [99:35]
Big Cat
So the Iowa tattoo.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. He's an unbelievable coach. An unbelievable guy. Right where it's at. But Signetti, the one thing that he did is he has talked the talk.
- [99:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [99:46]
Coach Brett Bielema
From the day he's walked it. And I like people that represent who they are every day. I think the greatest thing you can bring an organization is consistency and communication. And that guy has been the same guy every day. And he communicates very, very well. Right. And I think that's a part that I really respect in what he does. And obviously, nobody can. Nobody can even question what he did this year just truly is special.
- [100:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Your game last year against Indiana, what happened at the very start? I know that the score got out of hand at the end, but, like, the first quarter, Indiana was famous for just having just. They would just get, you know, incredible leads really early in the game. So how'd that game start?
- [100:22]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, it started off very bad for us. So we kind of exchanged punt, and then we went to line up and punt and they blocked our punt for a touchdown. So that started, but then we threw a touchdown right away. We had a big strike loop, hit a big pass. And so it was kind of a back and forth game in that first quarter, but then second quarter on it just turned into a landslide. I told my coaches on Wednesday, actually Tuesday, after our first practice on Tuesday afternoon, I said, hey, these coordinators, in my opinion, in 18 years or 17 years at that point of being in this business, they know what you're going to do before you know what you're going to do. I think those two guys, offensively and defensively are the best I've ever seen in all of college football.
- [100:58]
PFT Commenter
JMU and.
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Coach Brett Bielema
Exactly. And they did it at jmu. They've been together a long time. They don't leave, I think for a reason. Right. Like they like what they're being told, how they're being told what to do and the guy that's leading them. So eventually they'll become head coaches. But I think their coordinators are extremely special.
- [101:14]
PFT Commenter
Have you, have you had to make any adjustments or have you taken anything from what Indiana's been able to do?
- [101:18]
Coach Brett Bielema
Absolutely. We, we compete against them. I swear. There was a tight end a year ago that transferred from Wisconsin and he was just kind of a role player there, but he had actually been to my youth camp when I was a coach there. His dad sent me a picture of him when he was in fourth grade and I tried to get in on him.
- [101:37]
PFT Commenter
What did that text look like? He's like, he looks like he could play for you, coach.
- [101:41]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, so I remember because he actually had, I believe he might have had another team's jersey on at my youth camp. We weren't going to go and it was kind of. I remembered it when it popped in my head, right. And the dad sent it to me and we tried to get down and we offered him a little bit of money, but the number he got offered there was quite a bit more and he got drafted, I believe in the fourth round this year. Right. They, they have really done a good job, in my opinion. So the O line coach there, Bob Bostad, was my O line coach when I was at Wisconsin. They've built the program from, from the foundation level. Like nobody goes in and says, hey, look at this second story bathroom I got. Or this. You know, they always build on the foundation and that's what, what Indiana did. They build on the foundation of O line and D line play and they obviously built around it and that's what made them what they are.
- [102:24]
Big Cat
And it's, it's nice to see that like the Big Ten, you know, I'm not like a conference over everything guy.
- [102:31]
Coach Brett Bielema
I love that question. The Other day was awesome.
- [102:33]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
- [102:34]
PFT Commenter
Well, he.
- [102:35]
Big Cat
Listen, Lane, let's talk about that. Lane's kind of living in the past a little bit where it's like they keep talking about how, oh, the SEC is so much stronger. It's so much stronger. The Big Ten. Yeah, I get it. It's 18 teams. There's a couple teams at the bottom that have not been great, Wisconsin being one of them. But there's some really good teams in the Big Ten. And I feel like it has evened out a lot more. And you can see it with who's winning the national titles.
- [102:59]
Coach Brett Bielema
I think perspective is everything. Right. And I'm sitting here as a 56 year old dude and I like, I know what I've Learned in my 55 years on this earth. Right. And. And the year 56 is based off of what I've learned. And I remember I was at Wisconsin, we were going back, if you remember, when they were dividing the teams into leaders and legends.
- [103:17]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. I mean, I have a sweatshirt that
- [103:19]
Coach Brett Bielema
is leaders and legends.
- [103:20]
Big Cat
It's just. No, it's just the, the legends. It's just the map of the Big Ten west because I missed those days.
- [103:25]
Coach Brett Bielema
So we're sitting in a Big Ten meeting and I'm pissed because a 25 year study showed that the two winningest teams in the, in the Big Ten at that point was Ohio State and Wisconsin. But all they want to do is align. Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska. And I'm pissed. And Alvy grabbed me. He's like, dude, don't worry about it. You can't change 50 years of living.
- [103:46]
PFT Commenter
Right.
- [103:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
You can't change 50 years of history or 100 years of history. Those are the four teams that have won national championships. Everybody thinks they're the teams even though we've won more than everybody else. You can't change people's opinions. I think that carries into where we are today. It's hard for people, even for me at Illinois. Two of the most, the most successful years in Illinois football history. Right. Over 100. We played Michigan two years ago, beat them on our turf. Two ranked teams. It was 100 year anniversary game. It's hard for people to grasp that that happened.
- [104:17]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [104:17]
Coach Brett Bielema
So I think it's hard for people to. When people talk about the mid level, the lower level, like we beat South Carolina last year, we beat Tennessee this year. Tennessee, two weeks left in the season, is in the middle of like national championship talk.
- [104:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [104:31]
Coach Brett Bielema
And we beat him in a Music City Bowl. But no one wants to remember that. Right. So it's going to slowly take time, but eventually common sense takes reality and I think that'll happen.
- [104:40]
Big Cat
Yeah. I mean it. The, the. The best case for this was the Rose bowl this year where we were joking before the game. We all. The whole gambling came bet on Indiana because we're like, if they just reverse the helmets here. Like Alabama's just getting so much credit for being Alabama of Nick Saban. Alabama, that's not what they are anymore in Indiana is being treated like Indiana Volt. And that's not what they are.
- [105:02]
Coach Brett Bielema
No.
- [105:02]
Big Cat
And it's just.
- [105:03]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [105:03]
Big Cat
The perception.
- [105:04]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's hard for people to change what they've learned.
- [105:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [105:06]
Coach Brett Bielema
I mean, we all go up to red light and stop. Like if we flip the rules.
- [105:11]
Big Cat
I like that.
- [105:11]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [105:12]
Coach Brett Bielema
And said, hey, what if we just
- [105:14]
Big Cat
stop stopping, you know, bad.
- [105:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
We would Chicago travel.
- [105:17]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
- [105:17]
Coach Brett Bielema
Right.
- [105:18]
Big Cat
Well, no, but I wouldn't get any of the red light camera. I mean, I, I pay so much money the city of Chicago for how many red light.
- [105:24]
PFT Commenter
The way they get you here is crazy.
- [105:25]
Big Cat
It's not. It's not even.
- [105:26]
PFT Commenter
Because it's a. It's an important cultural thing in Chicago to like three cars make that left after it turns red. And then if you. If you're the third car, you get that ticket every time.
- [105:36]
Big Cat
I'm not even running red lights. I'm just getting like, you know, the little end of my car is.
- [105:41]
Coach Brett Bielema
You guys have some anger issues.
- [105:42]
Big Cat
Listen, you should see.
- [105:43]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [105:43]
PFT Commenter
It's not a very.
- [105:44]
Big Cat
The amount of tickets I get. It's crazy. It's nuts.
- [105:47]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [105:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's hard to change the way people think.
- [105:48]
Big Cat
Yes.
- [105:49]
PFT Commenter
A couple things from that Lane interview I wanted to get your opinion on from the. The big ten perspective. Is there a big ten coaches group chat? You guys have a text thread?
- [105:58]
Coach Brett Bielema
There probably is. I know there probably is, but there's also kind of all these little sub chats to it. Like, so PJ Fleck. Right. So PJ and I are really close. Like, he'll hit me up with a row the boat and I'm like, you know, piss off. Right. Like, I don't need to hear that. But I love PJ because he is who he is every day.
- [106:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [106:14]
Coach Brett Bielema
Right. Like, he's a true genuine dude. But I would say there's more. You know, I was in the sec, right. So I was at Arkansas from. Come from Wisconsin. I just think this league, there's a band of brothers that is really strong and I think they'll sacrifice for what's important to them to the sacrifice of the whole group. And I do think that's alive and real. But, yeah, we're definitely not. I think so. Mark Stoops, who's a buddy of mine that was at. He and I played together at Iowa. He used to share with me some of the things that were on that SEC group chat with Lane. Yeah.
- [106:47]
PFT Commenter
Was on the group chat. Okay. Yeah, that's another coach confirmed.
- [106:50]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [106:50]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, we're trying to get the bottom of who all is. Who's not on that group chat.
- [106:54]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, I don't think he is anymore. He's living a condo down. He took his 40 million from Kentucky and took off.
- [106:58]
PFT Commenter
Probably happy with that. And then the other one is I. I think a big reason for some of the Lane success has been early morning group yoga programs.
- [107:05]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [107:06]
PFT Commenter
Is that something you've considered implementing?
- [107:08]
Coach Brett Bielema
Probably about 0.4 seconds.
- [107:10]
PFT Commenter
Okay. Yeah.
- [107:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
That's the not a yoga tag. There's a reason I got a Tommy Bahama loose fit on.
- [107:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, we tried to do it.
- [107:16]
Big Cat
You listen.
- [107:16]
PFT Commenter
You look like it was the worst thing ever.
- [107:18]
Big Cat
We like Lane and he. He's become a friend and we. We wish for them to have all the success.
- [107:23]
Coach Brett Bielema
Phenomenal. Dude.
- [107:24]
Big Cat
If you put you in that Tommy Bahama and Lane with his shirt off at the hot yoga and you say, who's the football coach? It's a blowout.
- [107:31]
Sponsor Voice
Lane.
- [107:31]
Big Cat
I'm sorry.
- [107:32]
PFT Commenter
Not close.
- [107:32]
Big Cat
It's a blowout. I know, I know. This guy Sawyer's gonna be watching this. You could send him the clip. It's just a fact, you know, It's a blowout.
- [107:39]
Coach Brett Bielema
So Lane was at. Lane and soccer at USC with Pete Carroll. And I was the defense coordinator at Kansas State Dakotc. And we beat them that year. So that was the only game I think they lost that year. And then their quarterback, Carson was it, you know, won the Heisman, Played. So this was 2000. What, 2001, maybe 2002.
- [108:01]
Big Cat
Was that Carson Palmer? No.
- [108:03]
Coach Brett Bielema
Carson Palmer, he won the Heisman, right?
- [108:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [108:05]
Coach Brett Bielema
And runner up was the quarterback at Iowa. But that year, an agent brought us together for dinner that. That, that January at a coaches convention. And I sat down to dinner with. With Sark and Lane and. And that was in our younger years. Right. And the thing I've always been able to appreciate about Lane is like, on game day, there's nobody better. Like, I watched their film just to see how he attacks and calls the game. It's really. He's an incredibly gifted mind, obviously. Really, really cool person. I get it. Why players go there. No Sometimes the money helps. But like, he is an incredibly talented coach and in a great visionary. I think he's really good for a game.
- [108:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [108:43]
PFT Commenter
I mean, you guys have a little budding rivalry going with, with USC now. I think that game last year was insane.
- [108:48]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [108:49]
PFT Commenter
From your perspective on the sideline, what was the range of emotions you felt there?
- [108:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, you know, we fumbled two times inside the five yard line. Yeah. And we want to walk off field goal. And. And it was, it was a game that I thought we could win going into it. You know, we do spring Saturday reports, summer scouting reports. The more I watched him, we hadn't played him. I thought we could play some downhill football. A little old school wisco that we used to play, which is kind of what happened. And then. But their quarterback was electric. They had a wide receiver that was unbelievable. And then. But I knew when they scored, I thought we could go down and manipulate the game. And we hit a walk off field goal our quarter. Our field goal kicker, A and M bought him, but he's no longer with us. But he was one of the best in the country. We had two walk off field goals last year, so I knew if we could kind of manage it the right way, we get that W. And that was a big one for us.
- [109:32]
Big Cat
How hard is that? Going into the transfer portal knowing like, hey, there's guys I love here that someone's going to offer him so much money that we don't have.
- [109:40]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. Well, a year ago, everybody was kind of on the same playing scale. Right now it's kind of become a little bit indifferent. But you know, you know, David Alano, he's a Chicago kid here. I loved him. First school to offer him. He's at our camp, came to us. I remember when his dad called me and told me what was going on. His dad was very emotional. Like I like they didn't want to see this kid go right from Illinois. But you know, for him, he wanted certain things and, and want a bigger name, brand value. So that's part of the thing I go to early. It's hard for people to change their perspective. Right. But if you're a kicker and you kick well in Memorial Stadium, East Memorial Stadium at Illinois, it's one of the hardest stadiums in the country to kick in. He was a 95 field goal kicker. I'm like, dude, going in your senior year, this is. It's exactly what you want.
- [110:21]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [110:21]
Coach Brett Bielema
You got to get kids to understand what's ahead of them, not what's behind them. Right. And you know, for us. You know, there's 138 Division 1 football teams going into this football season. I've had a boatload of guys go to the NFL and have not just get invited, they stay. Right. And I think that's a big part. You got to point out to them.
- [110:39]
Big Cat
And it's smart strategy by you to be welcoming to kids being able to transfer because I think there are some coaches that try to resist it. And it's like, you see when you, when I'm sure you use it as part of your recruiting where you're like, hey, would you. And if, if at some point we get to get you to a point that you can then go make more money somewhere else, I'm not going to be making us think of it like we want the best for you.
- [110:59]
Coach Brett Bielema
I think communication is like I said it earlier, but I appreciate this to my coaches and my players. The greatest thing you bring in an organization is communication and consistency. And communication is a two way street. Just like we're talking, like, I'm hearing you, you're hearing me. And we work off each other, but consistent. You got to be the same guy every day. Right. And I always say, like, you come in and tell me you're going someplace else. I'm going to try to put why I should keep you, but I'm going to end it with a hug. Like, there are so many times I've hugged a guy crying when a guy's leaving and watch him. Now, a lot of them haven't gone on and had success. You know, last year, Luke Altmeyer, who we had on here a year ago with you. Right. Like, Luke was offered almost two and a half more million dollars than we were paying him to leave us. And then we end up playing that team in a bowl game.
- [111:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:42]
Coach Brett Bielema
And beating him.
- [111:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:44]
Coach Brett Bielema
And now he's with the Detroit Lions. And I promise what he went through and what he learned from us the last three years is going to help him make success in the NFL.
- [111:51]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:51]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [111:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
If he didn't live through that, he probably wouldn't have the success he's having now. And I think that's a really cool thing.
- [111:56]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:56]
PFT Commenter
You ever pitch that to, to a player like, I'm probably the best hugger in the Big Ten? I, I think you might be the best hugger. I'm thinking through the list of other coaches. Not a good.
- [112:05]
Big Cat
No.
- [112:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Bony Sig's not a good hugger. I think he just doesn't. No contact. He doesn't like being touched.
- [112:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
I personally haven't ever strived to be that.
- [112:12]
PFT Commenter
I think you might be.
- [112:13]
Coach Brett Bielema
I'm not afraid of it. Yeah, I'm not afraid.
- [112:15]
PFT Commenter
Did you consider telling your kicker, like, hey, if you stick around, maybe we can give you the scoreboard that we're getting rid of?
- [112:21]
Coach Brett Bielema
I had not, at that point thought of that, but we tried to come up with a lot of things to keep them. Yeah. But it definitely wasn't in the cart of tricks.
- [112:27]
PFT Commenter
You should just offer everybody the scoreboard just to take it off your head.
- [112:30]
Coach Brett Bielema
Just to take it off.
- [112:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. You're singing the stretch at the Cubs game tonight. We're going to run this probably Friday, but are you scared of throwing out the first pitch?
- [112:37]
Coach Brett Bielema
I am scared.
- [112:38]
Big Cat
Oh, I was just busting your balls.
- [112:40]
Coach Brett Bielema
My father was a really good baseball player back in the day. Cubs socks, Cardinals, all came to my dad's farm, and my. My grandfather wouldn't let him do it.
- [112:49]
Big Cat
Wait, that's. Hold on. Tell the story, because this is awesome. This is like something that you hear.
- [112:54]
Coach Brett Bielema
So my name is Brett Arnold Bielman. My dad's name is Arnold Bielma.
- [112:57]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [112:58]
Coach Brett Bielema
Every person I ever met from my dad's childhood told me about how great a baseball player he was. I sucked at baseball. I was the worst.
- [113:04]
Big Cat
So he's got. He. He's living on his farm, and they're like, what, high school baseball or what is it?
- [113:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
Actually, I think it might even been, like, church league.
- [113:11]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [113:12]
Coach Brett Bielema
Back in the day, my grandpa wouldn't let my dad play football, so he. He played baseball and was really good at it. And I know a couple organizations came and wanted to, you know, sign him and do them, but my. My grandfather at the time wouldn't let him. So.
- [113:26]
Big Cat
That's crazy.
- [113:27]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. And it's. My dad is an incredible dude. He actually went to the University of Illinois for about two weeks and dropped out because he's in love with a young woman by the name of Marilyn Morris, who I'm. Thankfully, he chased her because that became my mom.
- [113:39]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [113:39]
Coach Brett Bielema
If that didn't connect, I may not be here.
- [113:41]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [113:42]
Coach Brett Bielema
So. But. So I suck at baseball. Terrible gym class back in the day. First guy picks and everything other than baseball. And so with that being said, like, I've been asked several times to throw out the first pitch. I'm like, hell, no.
- [113:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [113:55]
Coach Brett Bielema
But I can sing. I know. I got a little.
- [113:57]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
- [113:57]
Coach Brett Bielema
A little.
- [113:58]
Big Cat
You gotta throw out the first thing sometimes.
- [114:00]
Coach Brett Bielema
I know. But I. You know, so I had a kid, Pat Farrell, threw out last week versus Sox, and we got a Joe Barna's throwing out tonight, and I called Pat last week. I said, are you nervous? He's like, ah. He goes. I go, you know why I've never thrown out the first pitch? And he's like, why? He goes, because I suck. Like, I don't want to go out and have failure.
- [114:20]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
- [114:21]
Coach Brett Bielema
I'm gonna do a little duet tonight with Matt Bailey, our safety, who's a really good player.
- [114:24]
PFT Commenter
Okay, that'll be good. Are you gonna toss in the. Let's get some runs?
- [114:27]
Coach Brett Bielema
No, I'm gonna throw in at the back end. Let's get some runs.
- [114:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [114:29]
PFT Commenter
Okay, that's good.
- [114:30]
Big Cat
You got to make sure I do
- [114:31]
Coach Brett Bielema
a little hairy carry rendition.
- [114:32]
Big Cat
Yeah. Who's throwing out the first pitch? He's got to go from the rubber.
- [114:34]
Coach Brett Bielema
You got to let them know cannot go. We have a little competition. Both of them were D line socks, D lineman, Pat Farrell, Joe Barna. Two really good players. We beat Barna on Whisco. You. You'd hate to hear them.
- [114:43]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [114:44]
Coach Brett Bielema
Really got down to us and Whisco, but thankfully, he's playing for us.
- [114:46]
PFT Commenter
We're gonna start it with Enda one and a two. All right. Yeah, you're good to go.
- [114:50]
Big Cat
Yeah. You got this.
- [114:51]
Coach Brett Bielema
Let's get some runs.
- [114:52]
Big Cat
All right, so last thing I want to talk to you about, because, like I said, it's crazy. We have become friends, and. And. And it was great when we went. I think it was the USC Illinois game. I finally met your wife, who I had tweeted karma at a bunch of times after you left. Left. It was good.
- [115:06]
Coach Brett Bielema
She said to say hello. She goes, tell David.
- [115:07]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's like 10 years in the making. It's like, hey, this is all good, but one of the things we bonded over is our love for Chili's, the restaurant. So what? Give me your favorite, like, Chili's order. What's your order? You texted me last night.
- [115:23]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [115:23]
Big Cat
Literally from a Chili's. Being like, check this out.
- [115:26]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's like, can you believe in champagne? But I don't think I've ever been there.
- [115:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [115:32]
Big Cat
The text was literally like, can you believe this? Look at me. I'm in a Chili's.
- [115:35]
PFT Commenter
I'm like, yeah, man, we're in New Lenox. Yeah, that's a good chili.
- [115:39]
Coach Brett Bielema
Very good chili.
- [115:40]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
- [115:41]
Coach Brett Bielema
I would say, start off definitely. I'm a Southwestern egg roll guy. Yeah.
- [115:44]
Big Cat
Oh, okay.
- [115:45]
Coach Brett Bielema
You know, like, you don't go to Chili's and get what everybody gets.
- [115:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [115:48]
Coach Brett Bielema
But you get chili fries.
- [115:49]
PFT Commenter
I think a lot of people get the southwestern egg rolls. I don't think that's not like a super exotic thing. I like it.
- [115:55]
Big Cat
Are you getting the bottomless chips to start with? Okay. Yeah, because I was saying. I say bottomless chips before I sit down.
- [116:00]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [116:00]
Big Cat
Like, as they're walking me to my seat, I'm like, hey, just so you know, I'm gonna want the box.
- [116:04]
Coach Brett Bielema
We only had about a 30 minute window.
- [116:06]
Max
Yeah.
- [116:06]
Big Cat
That's why you got to get going on.
- [116:07]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [116:07]
Big Cat
Okay. All right, so what else?
- [116:09]
Coach Brett Bielema
If I was ordering an entree, I would probably go like the trio combo.
- [116:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [116:12]
Coach Brett Bielema
A little quesadilla.
- [116:14]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [116:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
Eat your food, Tina. Right. Like you get a. Get a quesadilla whenever you can. Probably the jalapeno sausage.
- [116:21]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [116:22]
Coach Brett Bielema
And ribs.
- [116:23]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's good. The boneless. The boneless buffalo wings, I always go with. I think they're very good at chilies. I go chips, salsa, keep it coming with queso. And then I'll go the Fajitas trio.
- [116:33]
Coach Brett Bielema
12 or 16 ounce beer with it.
- [116:35]
Big Cat
I usually go. I usually try to not get drunk because I'm just trying to drink. I'm trying to eat all my chips. Yeah. So I'll go water a lot of times because it's like, I got. I gotta work, I gotta focus on my chips.
- [116:45]
PFT Commenter
I like doing the. The margarita. The famous margarita start and then. Yep. Big bowl, then to clean it up if it, you know, if I've got enough time. Then you get the. The big boy beer to kind of wash it all down on the side. What about dessert?
- [116:57]
Coach Brett Bielema
I don't think I've ever had a dessert at Chili's.
- [116:59]
Big Cat
Oh, wow. They have a good chocolate lava cake.
- [117:02]
Coach Brett Bielema
They do.
- [117:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [117:03]
Coach Brett Bielema
I'm not. I know I don't look like, but I'm not a big dessert guy.
- [117:06]
Big Cat
I'm not gonna say anything about that because, listen, I'm. I struggle with my own things. But how. How are you not a dessert guy? What are you talking.
- [117:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
I've never really, like, you know, I'm not a candy guy.
- [117:18]
Big Cat
Oh, man.
- [117:18]
Coach Brett Bielema
Chewed like three sticks of bubble gum in my entire life.
- [117:20]
Big Cat
Like, is that a real stat?
- [117:23]
Coach Brett Bielema
I hate things stick to my teeth.
- [117:24]
PFT Commenter
Have you ever.
- [117:24]
Big Cat
360.
- [117:26]
PFT Commenter
Have you ever blown a bubble in your whole life?
- [117:27]
Coach Brett Bielema
I. Not that I'm aware of, I'm sure. When I was little, maybe, but that's why I'm just not a big gum guy.
- [117:32]
Big Cat
All right, so, no. Like, you're not eating ice cream or anything.
- [117:36]
Coach Brett Bielema
I'm not gonna turn down a little salted caramel ice Cream. Okay, occasionally. But, like. Yeah, it's not my.
- [117:41]
Big Cat
This is where our friendship has just ended. We've made all this progress, and now it's over. Like, this is crazy.
- [117:46]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. I don't know. I just never really, you know, grew up in a Dutch family background. So we had raisins and rice, which is a big, like, Dutch dessert.
- [117:57]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah. It sounds disgusting. Yeah, I'm aware of it. Raisin and rice.
- [118:00]
Coach Brett Bielema
And rice. It's kind of like, you know, there's some of that rice pudding that people. Yeah, yeah, It's a little bit like that, but it's very unique and different, I promise you. Like, nobody ever thinks of it. And then we also had popcorn and milk. We did popcorn and pour milk on it. Like, that was a big.
- [118:16]
PFT Commenter
This is the most Midwestern thing I've
- [118:17]
Big Cat
ever heard in my life.
- [118:18]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah. I'm not saying it was great, but I. I think it was cheap and it was good and it was easy.
- [118:22]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [118:23]
PFT Commenter
That is. That's a very. That's a very football coach meal.
- [118:26]
Big Cat
Popcorn and milk.
- [118:26]
Memes
Yeah.
- [118:27]
PFT Commenter
I love it.
- [118:28]
Big Cat
All right, well, our last question. Roback question. Rho, B, A, C, K.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. I don't know if you met Zach yet. Zach is in the booth.
- [118:40]
Zach
How are we, Coach?
- [118:41]
Coach Brett Bielema
How we doing?
- [118:42]
Big Cat
Zach's the man. He's the newest member. I. I think the last time you were on was maybe before Zach because it's been about a year.
- [118:48]
Coach Brett Bielema
I loved his interview with Bill.
- [118:49]
Big Cat
Yes. Yes, Zach. Yes. Yes.
- [118:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
Fantastic.
- [118:52]
Big Cat
Yes. So go ahead, Zach.
- [118:55]
Zach
Coach, great to see you today. I appreciate you for your time. I did see that you grew up on. On a hog farm.
- [119:00]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yes.
- [119:01]
Zach
Has there ever been any thought to bringing the team down to maybe instill some discipline? Like, if things ever get out of hand, like, well, we can go down to the farm and we could really show you how things get done.
- [119:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
I would not trade in the way I was raised for anything. I grew up on a farm, 2500 pigs. You know, a lot of times we would get on the bus at 7:30. I would get up at 5:30 and go do chores for an hour, hour and a half. We never missed my dad in my 18 years and then two years into college, 20 years, had never taken a day off until he went and watched us playing the Rose Bowl. So I think the things that. That I learned. Right. You never take a day off. If you do anything worth Doing it right, because there is a day where my brother and I, we want to go fishing. So we were building a fence that we kept in like, 50 pigs. And we. We were supposed to put five horseshoe nails on every fence. And we started just doing one at the bottom, one at the top. And the fence looked great until you put all the pigs in it. And then we came in on a Saturday morning. I remember there was pigs all over our farm. And we're like, what the hell?
- [120:01]
Spencer Hawes
Da, da, da, da.
- [120:02]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's because we cut a corner and it looked good until it was really had to work, right?
- [120:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [120:08]
Coach Brett Bielema
And I always go back to that moment. Like, everything that I do as a football coach, I want it to be intentful, intend, you know, intended to have a result of what we wanted to do. I never cut a corner. I think our guys. I've never been on a blue blood type program. Even when we were Wisconsin, Illinois, we're winning as big. I've never really fit in at one of the blue bloods because I like to, you know, put in an honest day's work to get an honest day's result. And I think that that part, to your point, is something I believe I instill every day. I've never taken our guys to the pig farm. There was a moment in my college career I'll never forget, like, so when pigs have baby pigs, they have about anywhere from 8 to 12, right? And I had four buddies come back. I was at the University of Iowa, had four buddies come back for a weekend, and a pig was having babies, and she was struggling, I could tell. And there was a pig that was dry, which means that she hasn't had one in a while. You need to help her out. So I just jumped in. Put your hand up in there and pull the pig out. And we had a kid, Teddy Bellster from Green Bay, Wisconsin, city kid. And he literally was like 6, 5, 320 pounds, and he almost fainted. And I went in there and grabbed like four in a row and pulled him out. And for me, that's all I ever knew. And those guys are like. Like all of them were just blown away. But I always tell our coaches, right, like, when you get a freshman coming in the building, they only know what they know. They only know what they've experienced. If their parents don't be five minutes early as being early or five minutes late is being early, that's all they ever know, right? So you have to really take. That's a true art of today's football, is you got to have 110 kids that think the same way and to get guys to do that is a really special trait.
- [121:44]
Big Cat
Underrated part of that story is you referred to a kid from Green Bay, Wisconsin as a city kid.
- [121:49]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yeah.
- [121:54]
Big Cat
He's a base on the concrete jungle of Green Bay, Wisconsin.
- [121:57]
PFT Commenter
It's a great defensive drill, like teaching how to strip the ball. Like just reach into a hog.
- [122:01]
Coach Brett Bielema
Just pull it a pig.
- [122:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [122:04]
Coach Brett Bielema
They literally almost fainted. It was hilarious. But that's all I ever do.
- [122:07]
Big Cat
Yeah, Zach, good question. You had a follow up. Anything else?
- [122:11]
Zach
That was all. But I can't pivot to a follow up. That's cool to you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This. This one, we're gonna. We're gonna jump off the farm real quick, if that's okay.
- [122:19]
Coach Brett Bielema
Absolutely.
- [122:20]
Zach
As a consumer of college football, I hear so much about the nil stuff. Coach, what. What had to change in your process in recruiting the bit. Like, what was the biggest part? Like, not the little part, but what was like the big thing that you didn't feel right about that you had to drill home?
- [122:35]
Coach Brett Bielema
Well, first off, you know, the, the perspective that we mentioned earlier, right. Is 20, 26, you have to forget everything you've ever learned. Like, I remember in my senior year, we played a big rivalry game against Iowa State, and I told a coach that was at Iowa State. It's been a real pleasure kicking your ass the last five years. I really enjoyed it. You've been a real prick. I got annihilated, right? Like, just. They're threatened to suspend me. Like I was a captain. I was a pretty good kid. Never been in trouble. Coach Fry brought me in and he sat me down. He's like, he goes, hey, you can't. We all know he's a prick. You just can't go around saying it, right? Process. And a donor sent me, a big Iowa fan sent me a hundred dollar bill. I'd never seen a hundred dollar bill in my life. I literally took it in and turned it into compliance office because I was afraid I was going to get in trouble. I could have done so much with that hundred dollars. And now I tell guys as coming in as high school players, I'm like, hey, we're going to pay $100,000.
- [123:35]
Big Cat
Right?
- [123:36]
Coach Brett Bielema
And like, it took me 10 years of coaching before I got paid $100,000. I was a good football coach. And now these kids are getting this money coming in, which is awesome. I love it. But I think we're setting them up for failure, right? So like one of these kids that you know, makes 100. His first year, 150. A second year, 350. And then a senior year he makes 1.5 million. Right. And maybe he makes in the NFL, maybe he doesn't. And he's got to go to work for, for a national rental car for 85,000 and he can't process it.
- [124:06]
Big Cat
Right.
- [124:07]
Coach Brett Bielema
That's the thing that's coming. Right. And so I think that's the part for me as a coach. Hey, it's just relative to the moment we're in. I think the other thing that kind of misleads people right now is there's a lot of people that are paying kids to be great. I don't think that's the right approach. I think you pay kids that have been great and just because you pay somebody a lot of money doesn't mean they're a great player. Just like when I hire coaches, I don't pay someone a lot of money to be a great coach. I pay them because they're a good coach. Right. Like if you're betting on to come, it may never happen. Right. So I think that's a part that college football has to really understand and process.
- [124:41]
Big Cat
Yeah, right. Yeah. A lot of expectations on 18 year olds.
- [124:44]
Coach Brett Bielema
Like it's crazy.
- [124:45]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's nuts.
- [124:46]
Coach Brett Bielema
And then, you know, you throw in, you know, all the social media things that can come at them. Right. And the way these kids got to handle things, like kids are no different now at 18 than they were in, you know, 2000. But the access that they have to people and the effects that that can have on our kids is devastating. And you guys have money show all the time. Like you have a lot of great coaches, but there's a lot of coaches that are all about them.
- [125:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [125:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
And I would just tell you, like for me, like, like I'm very blessed. I'm very fortunate in what I get paid and what I do, I do it more. For now, the reaction to see these 18 year old kids that turn into 22 year old NFL guys.
- [125:21]
Zach
Yeah.
- [125:22]
Coach Brett Bielema
Like that's why I love doing what I do. And you know, my kids are obviously a huge part of our process now, but I think the world has really changed in that regards and you know, it's a me, me, me world. And unfortunately there's a lot of coaches that take advantage of that moment and it's all about them. And, and you know, I see him on your guys shows all the time. Like it just eventually the truth will set you free. Yeah, right. And I think that's the part that that'll never change. You guys are great at what you do. You're kind of on the cutting edge of all this thing of what, what you know, Dave saw it, you guys followed it, and it's just a world that you just got to stay ahead of the moment you're in. So I think that's a big part of it. But unfortunately, a lot of people take advantage of those moments.
- [126:01]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. That's well said. Well, coach, always great having you on. Always great seeing you in person. The shirt is awesome. Best of luck singing the stretch and until next time, appreciate it very much.
- [126:13]
Coach Brett Bielema
Thank you very much.
- [126:14]
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- [127:26]
Big Cat
Okay, before we get to fyre fest, we've got a very special guest in studio. It's Hank's dad. Mr. Lockwood is here. He has was your third or fourth appearance? Fourth. Fourth appearance.
- [127:39]
PFT Commenter
Happy belated birthday by the way.
- [127:40]
Big Cat
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Yes. You were here for Hank's birthday which was yesterday, right?
- [127:46]
Coach Brett Bielema
No, Hank's birthday is Saturday.
- [127:47]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [127:48]
Memes
All right.
- [127:48]
PFT Commenter
As we've said.
- [127:49]
Big Cat
Yeah, some people have, have, have, have screwed that up, but you are here. We are not, we're not officially starting Mount Rushmore Season. But you are a big fan of the Mount Rushmore season and you have done three of them, three of the drafts with us. So we figured let's just do a tune up. Let's do a little stretch before we run. We don't want to get injured. Tune up Mount Rushmore where we go. Me and PFT versus the Lockwoods versus the booth just to get us in the field. Ready?
- [128:16]
Spencer Hawes
Love it.
- [128:17]
PFT Commenter
All right, we'll send off match before Mount Rushmore.
- [128:19]
Big Cat
Yes. And it's a friendly. Yeah, it's a friendly. We're doing a friendly. Yeah. Preseason. And we are going to do the Mount Rushmore non alcoholic drinks. And just so we're clear at the start, because of some of our sponsors, soda is. We're not going to do specific sodas. Just soda is. Is a pick that is available.
- [128:36]
Max
And sports drink.
- [128:38]
Big Cat
And sports drink. And sports drink. Yes. Okay. Who's going first?
- [128:44]
PFT Commenter
We got to figure out we had numbers.
- [128:46]
Big Cat
Why don't we go. Why don't we start with the booth? We'll go to Hank the booth. Lockwoods and me and Pft. Okay. All right. All right.
- [128:53]
PFT Commenter
All right.
- [128:54]
Big Cat
We're gonna start with soda. Okay. All right. Good pick. Good pick. Way to start. Way to start.
- [129:00]
PFT Commenter
Just one of them.
- [129:01]
Max
No, we're just going with soda. I would say that my. My two favorites right now are Pepsi and then Mountain Dew.
- [129:06]
Big Cat
But those.
- [129:07]
Max
Soda in general is going to be our 1 1.
- [129:10]
Hank Lockwood
Good point. What time of the day you like to drink soda? What's your favorite time to drink soda?
- [129:13]
Max
I like to have two. During. On a plane. Yeah, that's my favorite.
- [129:17]
Spencer Hawes
It.
- [129:17]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [129:18]
Max
Time to drink soda.
- [129:18]
Big Cat
Yep. Okay. Good pick.
- [129:21]
Coach Brett Bielema
All right.
- [129:21]
Big Cat
Lockwoods. Lockwoods.
- [129:23]
Coach Brett Bielema
11 much discussed today. We're gonna go with milkshake. Ah, wow.
- [129:28]
PFT Commenter
Okay. I. I actually texted Big cat milkshake. I thought it was a stroke of luck. I didn't think you guys would have it, but I thought we would save it for later because it's a controversial decision.
- [129:38]
Hank Lockwood
Why is it controversial?
- [129:39]
PFT Commenter
And so I thought some people might say that it's not a drink.
- [129:42]
Big Cat
It's. It's more of a ice cream.
- [129:45]
Hank Lockwood
They serve it to you in a cup with a straw.
- [129:47]
Big Cat
It's always on the beverage menu. Yeah.
- [129:49]
PFT Commenter
Any place you go, you get a lot of beverages with spoons in them.
- [129:52]
Hank Lockwood
Not a spoon. Milkshakes don't come with spoons.
- [129:55]
PFT Commenter
Milkshakes do come with spoons.
- [129:56]
Big Cat
Some do, some don't.
- [129:57]
Hank Lockwood
Most don't.
- [129:57]
Big Cat
It's a drink. Pft. I think I. They just screwed up. The whole draft. Because I think we just go 1 and 3.
- [130:03]
PFT Commenter
3. 1.
- [130:03]
Big Cat
3, 1, 3. Let's. You know what? The first pick is the easiest pick in the entire world because I don't know if you guys could exist without it. It. How is water not been picked? Water's the thing we drink the most boring thing. Oh, I'm sorry. You know what? Don't drink water anymore. See what happens.
- [130:17]
Hank Lockwood
No, I mean, you need it, but it's boring.
- [130:18]
PFT Commenter
Okay. Okay. I recall Hank being a big fan of the ocean. I recall Hank being a big fan of being on boats.
- [130:24]
Hank Lockwood
Have you ever.
- [130:25]
Max
You don't drink the ocean.
- [130:26]
PFT Commenter
But it could.
- [130:27]
Big Cat
You can.
- [130:28]
Max
You can't.
- [130:28]
Hank Lockwood
You actually cannot.
- [130:29]
Big Cat
You actually can.
- [130:31]
PFT Commenter
It drives you insane.
- [130:32]
Max
You would die.
- [130:33]
Big Cat
Yeah. But you can do it.
- [130:34]
PFT Commenter
It drives you insane. Probably because it tastes so good.
- [130:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [130:36]
PFT Commenter
That you're like, oh my God. I'm, I, I feel like I'm crazy now.
- [130:40]
Big Cat
If you, if I said to you you can't drink. Like if I said this was non
- [130:43]
Hank Lockwood
alcoholic drinks you could jump into.
- [130:44]
Big Cat
Hold on. If I.
- [130:45]
Hank Lockwood
Water would be the first pick.
- [130:47]
Big Cat
If, if I asked you right now and let's be true serum. You, you can't drink one thing for the rest of your life. Soda or water. Which one are you picking? You can't even one thing for the rest of your life or water? I, I, it's not, it's not non
- [131:00]
Hank Lockwood
alcoholic drinks you're stuck on an island with.
- [131:02]
Big Cat
It's the one, one non alcoholic drink.
- [131:04]
Coach Brett Bielema
Drink.
- [131:04]
PFT Commenter
We're doing, we're doing thought.
- [131:05]
Hank Lockwood
No, it's also delicious.
- [131:08]
PFT Commenter
It's good. It's, it's quenching. You need it. First thing you do when you, when you brush your teeth in the morning, you need water to do that too.
- [131:15]
Big Cat
You don't drink it.
- [131:16]
PFT Commenter
And you cook food. You need water to do that.
- [131:18]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [131:18]
Hank Lockwood
You don't drink it.
- [131:19]
Big Cat
Oh, you guys are. Oh, you want to take a try without water, buddy?
- [131:23]
PFT Commenter
You guys, your body, your body is 90 water. Do you hate yourselves?
- [131:28]
Big Cat
You do.
- [131:28]
Hank Lockwood
We don't.
- [131:29]
Big Cat
It's you.
- [131:30]
Hank Lockwood
You guys are missing like you're no non alcoholic drinks things that you drink.
- [131:34]
PFT Commenter
It's. This is but it show the, the wide range. If water is a five tool player.
- [131:39]
Big Cat
Water's everything.
- [131:40]
PFT Commenter
It does everything.
- [131:41]
Big Cat
It literally it separates us from every other planet in the world, universe, galaxy, whatever. Maybe it's a good functional, boring pick.
- [131:50]
Zach
Yeah.
- [131:50]
Big Cat
I mean, oh, okay. You guys picked ice cream. Yeah.
- [131:54]
PFT Commenter
Hey, what's that first word?
- [131:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [131:56]
PFT Commenter
Is that you like ice cream?
- [131:57]
Big Cat
I love ice cream. It's not a drink. It's a food.
- [131:59]
Hank Lockwood
It's a delicious drink.
- [132:00]
PFT Commenter
You need water. It's the building blocks of ice cream.
- [132:03]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right, so the second pick is. Is just as easy. Coffee. Done. Those are the two things you need. You need water, you need coffee.
- [132:10]
Hank Lockwood
But they're not coffee.
- [132:12]
Big Cat
You're gonna on coffee.
- [132:13]
Hank Lockwood
Essential. Like, I love drinking coffee. I need to drink coffee. But it's. It doesn't. It's not because it tastes good.
- [132:21]
Big Cat
You said non alcoholic drinks. I'm sorry, did you say drinks that you like that taste good?
- [132:25]
Hank Lockwood
I mean, that's.
- [132:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [132:26]
Big Cat
No. We're picking the. The essentials for everyday activity.
- [132:30]
PFT Commenter
Did you know that you can trace.
- [132:31]
Hank Lockwood
It'd be like if we did alcoholic drinks. You pick Malort because it's like high alcohol.
- [132:35]
Big Cat
Say you didn't say the Mount Rushmore.
- [132:37]
Coach Brett Bielema
Tasty.
- [132:38]
PFT Commenter
More high alcohol than most other shots.
- [132:41]
Big Cat
Did you say the tastiest non alcoholic drinks or non alcoholic?
- [132:45]
Hank Lockwood
I just figured. I assumed that was implied.
- [132:47]
Big Cat
Why was that implied? Why would that be implied?
- [132:49]
Hank Lockwood
Because the Mount Rushmore of drinks.
- [132:51]
Big Cat
Yeah. Non alcoholic drinks. Coffee. And by the way, golden mug still going on one last day, we're giving away 15 winners. This time everyone gets a plus one. We're going to a rooftop in Wrigleyville for a night game. Friday night game. You come to the office and then all barstool Chicago will be there. So go buy right now. Stella bluecoffee.com. if you buy the ready to drink kids, it's 10 times the entries.
- [133:15]
PFT Commenter
Did you know that for the enlightenment when we had scientific advances, mathematic advances, cultural advances, economic advances all across the world that was due in large part to the widespread adoption of drinking coffee and people having caffeine in their diets. Pretty good.
- [133:32]
Big Cat
No, it's not tasty.
- [133:34]
Hank Lockwood
It can be tasty. So the can drinks, the can sell blues are tasty.
- [133:38]
Big Cat
Thank you.
- [133:39]
PFT Commenter
Podcast would not exist without coffee. I guess that's just a fact.
- [133:43]
Big Cat
All right, what do the milkshake boys have next? Steak. I mean, this is an easy pick.
- [133:47]
Coach Brett Bielema
Coming back around, we're gonna go with a smoothie.
- [133:50]
Big Cat
Oh, okay.
- [133:51]
PFT Commenter
You guys are.
- [133:52]
Big Cat
You guys aren't even drinking anything.
- [133:53]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, you just have. You just have food that's been in a bl.
- [133:56]
Big Cat
This is.
- [133:56]
Hank Lockwood
No, this is.
- [133:57]
Big Cat
This is. You guys just.
- [133:57]
Max
You need everything.
- [133:58]
Big Cat
Every drink you have is just blended.
- [133:59]
PFT Commenter
This is.
- [133:59]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, you can get. You can get protein. You can get everything that you need. It's. It's bigger than just a drink.
- [134:05]
PFT Commenter
You guys are.
- [134:06]
Hank Lockwood
How much protein does Water have in it?
- [134:08]
Big Cat
Actually a shitload. You should actually look it up. It does.
- [134:11]
PFT Commenter
We should invent protein water.
- [134:15]
Hank Lockwood
It's a great pick.
- [134:17]
Big Cat
Smoothie and milkshake.
- [134:18]
PFT Commenter
Smoothie. Milkshake. It's like, yeah, you took food, but, like, after it's been in a blender,
- [134:22]
Big Cat
all of our listeners who don't have blenders are like, who are these guys?
- [134:27]
Zach
Okay, Booth boys, we're gonna take lemonade.
- [134:31]
Big Cat
Good pick.
- [134:32]
PFT Commenter
Nice pick.
- [134:32]
Big Cat
That's a good pick. Unlike smoothie and milkshake.
- [134:35]
PFT Commenter
Very refreshing.
- [134:36]
Max
And then we're gonna follow up with its counterpart. We're gonna go iced tea.
- [134:39]
Big Cat
Yeah, we were gonna do that if it came back around. Great job.
- [134:42]
PFT Commenter
Yep, Good pick. Great job.
- [134:43]
Max
They're both great drinks on their own, and then when you mix them together, it's a fantastic drink.
- [134:47]
PFT Commenter
You guys could have taken either one in either order. What made you take lemonade before?
- [134:54]
Max
I just told Zach to take. I said, we're gonna go lemonade, iced tea Here.
- [134:57]
PFT Commenter
Just.
- [134:58]
Max
You could. That's actually a question for Zach.
- [135:00]
Zach
Zach, reverse alphabetical order.
- [135:02]
PFT Commenter
Got it.
- [135:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [135:04]
PFT Commenter
As you do.
- [135:06]
Big Cat
Nice job. All right, what do you guys got? Hold on.
- [135:10]
Coach Brett Bielema
We're collaborating.
- [135:13]
Hank Lockwood
I like.
- [135:15]
Big Cat
Oh, she's going to slow it down.
- [135:17]
PFT Commenter
Gravy.
- [135:20]
Big Cat
Yeah. And actually not actually gravy. You're talking about pasta sauce.
- [135:25]
Coach Brett Bielema
All right, we're gonna go with our third pick. Milk.
- [135:28]
Big Cat
Oh, okay.
- [135:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [135:29]
Big Cat
I mean, you. You. Your other two picks need it, so. Yeah, everyone needs it.
- [135:34]
Hank Lockwood
Build strong bones.
- [135:37]
Big Cat
You don't want to do, like, oat milk or something? All right, I think.
- [135:41]
Spencer Hawes
I think.
- [135:41]
PFT Commenter
I think we go maybe 8. 5, 5, 8. I like 5. 8 or 13.
- [135:48]
Big Cat
Or 7 and 8. 2.
- [135:49]
PFT Commenter
Look at 13, though.
- [135:51]
Big Cat
I don't think we go 13. I think we already got that.
- [135:54]
PFT Commenter
Okay, let's go 8 and 5.
- [135:56]
Big Cat
7 or 5.
- [135:57]
PFT Commenter
I think we go 8.
- [135:58]
Big Cat
5. Okay. All right.
- [135:59]
PFT Commenter
Chocolate milk.
- [136:00]
Big Cat
Chocolate.
- [136:00]
PFT Commenter
We're taking chocolate.
- [136:01]
Big Cat
We're taking chocolate.
- [136:01]
PFT Commenter
Anyone would rather drink chocolate? If you have a choice between regular milk and chocolate milk, you take chocolate milk.
- [136:07]
Big Cat
That's a real drink. Unlike milkshake, which is ice cream. Chocolate milk. All right. Yeah.
- [136:15]
PFT Commenter
Then. Wait, which one are we doing now? I forgot.
- [136:18]
Big Cat
It's either five or seven. Seven is fun. Do you want to be fun?
- [136:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, let's be fun.
- [136:22]
Big Cat
All right, we'll take Capri Suns. You got a problem with that? There's not enough. There's never enough. Yeah.
- [136:28]
PFT Commenter
It always leaves you wanting more.
- [136:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [136:30]
Hank Lockwood
It's true.
- [136:30]
Big Cat
And punching the hole is one of the best things in the world.
- [136:32]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [136:33]
Hank Lockwood
And you can turn into a cell phone.
- [136:34]
Big Cat
Yeah. And if you're an LSU tiger, you can turn into an alcoholic drink. Remember that? Remember that tailgate.
- [136:40]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [136:41]
Big Cat
Walk by the tailgate. LSU. I swear to God, this guy had probably 300 Capri Suns just sitting out in a cooler. And he was like, you want one? I was like, what? And he's like, oh, no, dude. We put vodka in every single one of these. It's like, okay, yeah. Hell, yeah. They know how to do tailgating.
- [136:58]
PFT Commenter
It also becomes like a thing where you.
- [137:00]
Coach Brett Bielema
You.
- [137:00]
PFT Commenter
You almost compete to see who can drink theirs the fastest. I think you could probably take down a Capri sun about 2 seconds, and then you can fill it up with air. Then you pop it.
- [137:08]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
- [137:08]
PFT Commenter
It's true.
- [137:09]
Big Cat
I love. I love our draft.
- [137:11]
PFT Commenter
It's really, really strong.
- [137:12]
Big Cat
We have chocolate milk. The two most important drinks in the world. Coffee and water. Boring. We have a delicious drink in chocolate milk. And the fun drinking Capri Sun. We got four that you'd want to party with. You got the blender boys over here and John Daly in the booth. Okay, you guys have fourth pick.
- [137:30]
Max
You said John Daly in the booth.
- [137:32]
Coach Brett Bielema
Like, that was a bad thing.
- [137:33]
PFT Commenter
It's not John.
- [137:34]
Big Cat
Well, it's not John.
- [137:35]
Max
Yeah, but you said. But you said John Daly.
- [137:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. Arnold Palmer.
- [137:40]
PFT Commenter
We're doing semantic games.
- [137:42]
Big Cat
You got the guys who wish they were.
- [137:45]
PFT Commenter
No, I would never.
- [137:46]
Big Cat
The guys who wish they were John Daly. Fourth pick.
- [137:51]
Coach Brett Bielema
No brainer.
- [137:52]
Big Cat
Easy pick.
- [137:52]
Coach Brett Bielema
Root beer float.
- [137:56]
Max
I like that one.
- [137:58]
Big Cat
It's just my five year old.
- [138:00]
PFT Commenter
If we're doing, like, by calorie, you guys, we should actually, like, we should calculate one serving of all of our drinks, and you guys would have like a 2000 calorie menu right there.
- [138:09]
Big Cat
I feel like Hank, when he texted us saying non alcoholic drinks, he forgot a couple words in it because it feels like the Lockwoods did non alcoholic drinks that you would serve at a five year old's birthday party. We have milkshakes.
- [138:22]
Hank Lockwood
We have, like, if someone, like, gets, like a serious surgery and can't. Can't chew food.
- [138:29]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
- [138:29]
Hank Lockwood
We basically have, like, this is how you get, you know, protein and nutrients in your body.
- [138:34]
Big Cat
So those people, please come out and vote.
- [138:36]
Hank Lockwood
Yes. Please. Yes.
- [138:38]
PFT Commenter
Hank and Kanye west come vote early.
- [138:40]
Big Cat
Vote Often all the people who are undergoing jaw surgery, get out and vote.
- [138:46]
Memes
Okay, we're gonna go with slushy.
- [138:51]
PFT Commenter
That's a good pick.
- [138:52]
Big Cat
Good pick. Pick.
- [138:53]
PFT Commenter
Good pick. It's kind of like a smoothie, but technically more of a drink
- [138:59]
Coach Brett Bielema
made of
- [138:59]
Big Cat
ice, made of water.
- [139:00]
Max
Fun.
- [139:01]
Big Cat
Slushies are fun.
- [139:02]
PFT Commenter
They are fun.
- [139:02]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [139:03]
PFT Commenter
What about ices? What do you say?
- [139:04]
Max
Same thing.
- [139:05]
PFT Commenter
Icy versus slushy.
- [139:06]
Max
That's the same thing. That's just a brand of slush.
- [139:09]
PFT Commenter
What about water? Ice?
- [139:11]
Max
That's not the same thing. That's a dessert, not a drink. That's not a drink.
- [139:15]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [139:15]
Max
You need you. That's a spoon.
- [139:18]
PFT Commenter
That's a spoon.
- [139:19]
Big Cat
What did we miss?
- [139:19]
Hank Lockwood
I have coconut water.
- [139:22]
PFT Commenter
I was gonna say good nut. Tom Brady's good nut.
- [139:24]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bone broth. Jesus Christ.
- [139:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Soup. I would. I should have taken soup.
- [139:33]
Big Cat
Yeah. Apple juice. Apple juice is apple juice. Orange juice. Yeah. Apple juice is elite.
- [139:38]
Spencer Hawes
We got.
- [139:38]
Big Cat
Or wait, did we. No, we. We didn't get orange juice. We did not.
- [139:41]
PFT Commenter
Matcha matcha. I. I've started to enjoy a nice matcha recently. What about boba tea? Boba Te's pretty solid choice.
- [139:48]
Max
Body armor. Fantastic.
- [139:49]
Big Cat
Body armor's the best. We got water, so we already got body armor.
- [139:53]
Zach
Virgin pina colada.
- [139:55]
Big Cat
Right.
- [139:56]
Max
Body armor is more than just water.
- [139:57]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's true. Seltzer.
- [140:00]
Max
Yeah, I like seltzer water.
- [140:01]
Big Cat
Yeah. Flavored seltzer's not bad.
- [140:03]
Max
I like regular seltzer too. Like a sand pellet. Like a crispy sand. Pellegrino.
- [140:07]
PFT Commenter
Italian sodas are really good.
- [140:09]
Big Cat
Sparkling cider. Sparkling cider.
- [140:11]
PFT Commenter
Sparkling cider is good.
- [140:12]
Big Cat
Sparkling.
- [140:13]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. There's actually just cider too.
- [140:17]
Big Cat
Is better than cider.
- [140:18]
PFT Commenter
I agree. It's got the bubbles.
- [140:21]
Big Cat
Your own piss. When you're stuck in a desert and you don't know how to get home
- [140:24]
PFT Commenter
or if you're about to go. If you're about to coach a basketball team. Yeah.
- [140:29]
Big Cat
You got a big, big east game coming up.
- [140:31]
PFT Commenter
Yep. What about ginger ale? Ginger ale is good too.
- [140:35]
Big Cat
Nah, that's soda. It's also just when you're sick. No, I. I think that's what I associate it with.
- [140:42]
PFT Commenter
I've been on a. A ginger beer kick, which is non alcoholic, but it's like ginger ale, but just way more flavor. I think that's the first sign that I'm becoming old, surely. My grandfather used to pound like six ginger beers a day.
- [140:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. Shirley Temples.
- [140:56]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, Shirley Temples.
- [140:58]
Big Cat
Dude, that's hammering those borderline soda, but it's not.
- [141:02]
PFT Commenter
I was gonna say that's a Shane ass pick right there.
- [141:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [141:05]
PFT Commenter
Just sugar. You get this. The shark. That's got the cherry syrup in it. Yeah.
- [141:10]
Big Cat
All right. This is a good Mount Rushmore warm up.
- [141:11]
Max
Yeah. It was fun.
- [141:12]
Big Cat
I feel good.
- [141:13]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [141:14]
Big Cat
It's like taking your first Hit in training camp.
- [141:16]
Max
Yeah. If this was real, I would have gotten real mad about the milk. Chocolate milk. Double, double pick. But, you know, this is just warm ups.
- [141:22]
Big Cat
Oh. What would you have said? Please tell that that couldn't count.
- [141:26]
Max
I would say that I would have fought that if I. If I was on the milk side.
- [141:30]
Big Cat
If you asked for milk and I brought you a chocolate milk, would you be like, what the. Or would you be like, oh, that's exactly what I wanted. They're totally different things.
- [141:37]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, but it's like.
- [141:38]
Coach Brett Bielema
It's same thing as. Soda was one category.
- [141:41]
Hank Lockwood
Coffee could have done ice.
- [141:42]
Big Cat
Soda is one category because of sponsors.
- [141:46]
Spencer Hawes
Coffee.
- [141:46]
Coach Brett Bielema
Coffee.
- [141:46]
Big Cat
Those are all you could have done. Yeah.
- [141:48]
PFT Commenter
We thought about taking iced coffee.
- [141:50]
Big Cat
Yeah. That's a big miss by you guys.
- [141:52]
Max
That's on the list.
- [141:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. If I brought you a chocolate milk, you'd say, literally, this is not what I ordered.
- [141:58]
Big Cat
Yeah. If you're like, hey, can I get a bowl of cereal and I put chocolate milk in it, you'd be like, what the.
- [142:02]
PFT Commenter
It'd be actually pretty good.
- [142:03]
Big Cat
Well, cocoa pus.
- [142:05]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [142:05]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
- [142:06]
PFT Commenter
Do you guys think count chocolate. Nobody took non alcoholic beer.
- [142:09]
Memes
Beer.
- [142:09]
PFT Commenter
No, because that's. Because that stinks.
- [142:11]
Max
Yeah, correct.
- [142:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, correct. I'm sick of people lying about how good non alcoholic beers. It's just not. No, just don't drink. Don't drink beer.
- [142:20]
Max
I don't think I've ever had one, to be honest with you.
- [142:22]
PFT Commenter
You don't want to start?
- [142:24]
Zach
No.
- [142:26]
Big Cat
Okay. Good. Mount Rushmore. Should we do Fire Fest?
- [142:29]
PFT Commenter
Let's do it.
- [142:30]
Big Cat
Do you want to stick around for Firefest?
- [142:31]
Coach Brett Bielema
Sure.
- [142:31]
Spencer Hawes
All right.
- [142:32]
PFT Commenter
Fire Fest.
- [142:33]
Big Cat
Do you have one? The Lockwood couch. Does the Lockwood Couch have a fire festival?
- [142:36]
Hank Lockwood
It's been a great week for me. I mean, we did. We played. Played top 50 course in the country on Monday with the Pause Charity outing. Had the family in town this week. Brother, dad, brother in law, and it's my birthday Saturday. I. I have. I have. I have no complaints. This has been a. It's been an ideal week.
- [142:55]
Big Cat
What about.
- [142:56]
Hank Lockwood
I guess. I guess the Spurs? The. The Spurs. Darren Fox is my fire fest.
- [142:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. What about the fact that you're one year closer to 4:40?
- [143:03]
Hank Lockwood
I'm not worried about that. That we're so far away.
- [143:06]
Big Cat
How. How old are you? 34?
- [143:07]
Hank Lockwood
33.
- [143:08]
Coach Brett Bielema
Whoa.
- [143:09]
PFT Commenter
Come on.
- [143:09]
Big Cat
I think he's 34 and he's. Wait, you're gonna be 34.
- [143:12]
Hank Lockwood
No, I'm 32 right now. I'm gonna be 33.
- [143:15]
Big Cat
Check that. I think you're gonna be 34.
- [143:17]
Hank Lockwood
Born in 1993.
- [143:18]
PFT Commenter
Are you. Are you Hank explaining his birthday to him?
- [143:20]
Big Cat
Yeah, I'm just trying to gaslight him being 34. Maybe he's done that to us. Remember, he had us at 40 for our entire 30s.
- [143:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, well, if. When you're. When you're in your late 20s, everybody that's in their 30s is actually 40.
- [143:32]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, 34 will be tough. 33 is fine. Larry Bird, Billy Strings. Great number.
- [143:38]
Big Cat
Billy Strings is 33 years old.
- [143:40]
Hank Lockwood
That's a lucky number.
- [143:42]
Big Cat
Oh, okay.
- [143:42]
PFT Commenter
Oh, why? I don't know.
- [143:44]
Hank Lockwood
I'm wearing a billy string shirt, and it's got 33 on. He just always reps 33.
- [143:49]
Big Cat
All right, so you had a good week? Good for you, Hank.
- [143:51]
Hank Lockwood
Great week.
- [143:51]
Big Cat
Mr. Lockwood, you got a fire. I do not. I had a great week as well.
- [143:55]
Coach Brett Bielema
Great trip down here to Chicago.
- [143:56]
Big Cat
Played some golf.
- [143:57]
Hank Lockwood
We avoided all the storms somehow.
- [144:00]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's pretty good.
- [144:01]
Big Cat
Some people are saying their fire fest is that Hank took a shot righty this week. Did you do that with you as well?
- [144:07]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [144:07]
Spencer Hawes
No.
- [144:08]
Hank Lockwood
Righty.
- [144:08]
Big Cat
Okay. Because he did do that. He took a shot righty now. First time seeing it play lefty played really well. Oh, no. Pft. It was not putting.
- [144:15]
PFT Commenter
Is that right?
- [144:16]
Big Cat
No, no, it was actually, like, probably. Probably 150 yards from the.
- [144:21]
PFT Commenter
I have a question.
- [144:21]
Hank Lockwood
Having some fun?
- [144:22]
PFT Commenter
It was.
- [144:22]
Hank Lockwood
It was.
- [144:23]
PFT Commenter
You know, my question was gonna be, were you just having some fun on.
- [144:25]
Big Cat
Yeah, no, I actually wasn't. It was actually our mulligan shot, so we needed to get a good shot. Ah.
- [144:31]
PFT Commenter
Now, I think it was.
- [144:33]
Spencer Hawes
Not.
- [144:33]
Hank Lockwood
If. It was not a round where I was keeping my own score, though.
- [144:35]
PFT Commenter
Was it with a lefty club?
- [144:37]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [144:38]
Big Cat
No. Can I have your club real quick?
- [144:41]
PFT Commenter
We can't do that, Hank. We can. We can't do that.
- [144:43]
Hank Lockwood
I wouldn't do it in a round where I was playing like my own ball. I would not do that. But if. You know, charity scramble mulligan. Because I already took a shot lefty, and I was like, oh, we got a mulligan. Let's. Let's. Let's have some fun.
- [144:53]
PFT Commenter
I don't like the fact that you tossed charity in there. Like, it made it okay because it were. I was.
- [144:57]
Hank Lockwood
I saved a dog with that righty.
- [144:59]
PFT Commenter
No, you actually probably.
- [145:00]
Big Cat
If.
- [145:00]
PFT Commenter
If you're. If you win the charity, then you take money away from the charity.
- [145:03]
Hank Lockwood
No, we don't win any event.
- [145:05]
PFT Commenter
No, you win the prizes.
- [145:07]
Hank Lockwood
You win a plaque.
- [145:08]
PFT Commenter
There were no prizes.
- [145:09]
Big Cat
No, there are no prizes.
- [145:10]
PFT Commenter
Well, plaques Cost money.
- [145:11]
Big Cat
Yeah. Shout out. Pause. Great. Great event. I actually went up. They. They were selling mulligans for charity.
- [145:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [145:18]
Big Cat
And so you could buy three mulligans for 50 bucks. And I asked the woman if I could buy 20.
- [145:23]
PFT Commenter
20.
- [145:23]
Big Cat
She's like, what's the point of even golfing? I was like, I thought this was a charity.
- [145:27]
PFT Commenter
That's actually. That's a big loophole, too.
- [145:30]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [145:30]
PFT Commenter
Buy your way into the championship.
- [145:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. They capped it at three.
- [145:33]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [145:33]
Big Cat
So which probably makes sense, but I wanted to just take a million shots and shoot the round of my life. Yeah. All right. Pft. Your fire fest.
- [145:41]
PFT Commenter
I got two small fire fests. Also a great week. Things have been going good. Start of the summer. Days still getting longer. For now, I guess first fire fest for me would be that the U.S. national team is playing Friday night and I'm gonna be at a wedding during it. Big T's getting married. Shout out. Big T. Best of luck to him and his. His lovely lady. But he has been told no TVs at the wedding. And it's. Big T is the biggest. Like, don't schedule fall weddings because college football. He really did not know that this was going to coincide.
- [146:11]
Memes
Right.
- [146:11]
PFT Commenter
With a soccer. Because he's a big U. S. Men's national team fan, too. So I've been instructed that I'm. I'm allowed to bring an iPad. And I don't know what the acceptable display options that I'm going to have will be because I'm. I'm hearing that there might be a projector that hooks up to your iPad.
- [146:28]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [146:29]
PFT Commenter
That you could kind of just take over a wall.
- [146:31]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [146:31]
PFT Commenter
But then depending on what kind of wedding it is, people might be like, hey, why are you making people watch sports during the wedding? So I'm kind of, like, stuck in between rock and hard plate. Because I'm. I need to watch the game.
- [146:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [146:43]
PFT Commenter
I have to. You got to respect the ball. But I also don't want to be over the top as a rude wedding guest.
- [146:50]
Big Cat
Yeah. I think you kind of. I think it's one of those things you have to feel it out, you know, vibes. And then maybe first half a little bit, and then if it gets tight later, because there is. I have been to weddings where, like, last five minutes of a game, you get people pumped up if you know it's only going to be five minutes. Like, it is fun. It's a fun camaraderie.
- [147:08]
Coach Brett Bielema
Who made the no TV rule misses
- [147:10]
PFT Commenter
the future Mrs. T. I don't want to get anyone in trouble with anything like that. I think what happened was she asked him not to bring an iPad.
- [147:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [147:19]
PFT Commenter
So she's like, as the groom, you should not be, like, you should not be walking into your own wedding with a distraction from your wedding in your arm.
- [147:26]
Spencer Hawes
Yeah.
- [147:27]
PFT Commenter
Which I understand. I actually get that. But I've been encouraged to bring. Bring my own devices.
- [147:31]
Big Cat
Here's. Here's the rule I've always gone by. If I. If I'm watching a game or have to watch a game at a wedding, it's. If it's very low key, then if it's very. If it's a good game, memorable game at the end, you can have people watch with you. Every minute you watch, you got to go doubly as hard on the dance floor when the. When the game ends.
- [147:50]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
- [147:50]
Big Cat
You know, I mean, you got to
- [147:51]
PFT Commenter
pay for it, and you can.
- [147:52]
Big Cat
Yeah. You gotta be like, everyone on the dance floor. Let's have some fun.
- [147:55]
PFT Commenter
Maybe even start. Because I think the game's gonna get going during dinner, so maybe, like, cry extra hard during the ceremony.
- [148:02]
Max
Yep.
- [148:02]
PFT Commenter
And really get in touch with my emotions.
- [148:04]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [148:05]
PFT Commenter
Appreciate the love. And then kind of just bow out for two hours.
- [148:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [148:08]
PFT Commenter
Then I'll be back.
- [148:10]
Big Cat
I just.
- [148:12]
Max
I just looked it up. I think I. I may also have this issue. There's a potential that I may also
- [148:17]
PFT Commenter
have this issue in my wedding with the US Team.
- [148:20]
Coach Brett Bielema
Yes.
- [148:21]
Big Cat
Oh, no.
- [148:21]
Coach Brett Bielema
If.
- [148:22]
Max
Right.
- [148:23]
Hank Lockwood
So I won't be watching either way.
- [148:25]
Big Cat
Yeah. Thank you, Hank.
- [148:27]
Max
I don't think they're. I can't say that. My friends are a big soccer. Soccer crowd, so I don't think it'll be too big of an issue.
- [148:33]
PFT Commenter
But it's a world Cup. I feel like everybody is going to get.
- [148:35]
Big Cat
And I.
- [148:36]
Max
It is in the elimination stage of it, which I do think.
- [148:38]
Hank Lockwood
Oh, so we won't even be there.
- [148:40]
PFT Commenter
Hank.
- [148:41]
Memes
Yeah.
- [148:41]
PFT Commenter
Turn Hank's mic off.
- [148:42]
Max
So 2. 2 it was. It's like 2D verse, 1K. That would be if.
- [148:48]
Big Cat
Don't even get it.
- [148:49]
Hank Lockwood
And that would be if the.
- [148:51]
Max
If the US Kick comes in second and they're in. Because we're in group D. Right.
- [148:56]
Big Cat
Right.
- [148:56]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And then we play 1k or.
- [148:58]
Max
I don't know.
- [148:59]
Big Cat
This is.
- [148:59]
PFT Commenter
Max is doing scenario.
- [149:01]
Big Cat
No way you can figure this out. Don't.
- [149:02]
Max
I think I just did two. No, two DV2G.
- [149:06]
Big Cat
We're so far away.
- [149:07]
PFT Commenter
Yes. Actually, it is better if we come in second or group.
- [149:10]
Max
I think overall, this is impossible to figure out.
- [149:14]
Big Cat
Whatever.
- [149:15]
Max
I don't Realistically, I don't give a
- [149:18]
PFT Commenter
tournament expansion might have ruined the World Cup.
- [149:20]
Big Cat
You don't. You're not watching it anyway?
- [149:22]
Coach Brett Bielema
No.
- [149:22]
PFT Commenter
No. All right, then. The other small fire fest is I took Blake into the vet the other day. He has to get, like, ears cleaned once every six months or so. So I took him in. They're like, hey, he's. He's behind on a couple of his vaccinations. Can you. Would you mind if we shot him up with those? I said, yeah, absolutely. Give him every. Every shot that he needs. Forgetting that Blake does not do well with. With vaccinations. And Blake came home and has just been howling, has not slept, is just being a real pain in the ass. And I think my dog. Not to go all RFK junior On you. I think my dog might be allergic to vaxis. I feel. I feel like Fauci is. He's got his hands in Blake right now and turns him into a different dog for about 48 hours after he gets those shots. Then he bounces right back. But it's been a tough. It's been a tough day filled with zero sleep because of Blake's vaccine vaccination. Vaccine hesitancy. So maybe next time I'll ask.
- [150:13]
Coach Brett Bielema
Ask.
- [150:14]
PFT Commenter
Maybe they can do ivermectin next time.
- [150:16]
Big Cat
All right. My fire fest. Two quick ones. One, our playoff game got canceled. Pugs that sucked. There's nothing better than, like, getting yourself juiced up for a playoff game and then being like, boom, no playoff game. And then two, I took a. I posted a picture of Meme's nipples, and he hates me forever, and that's it.
- [150:36]
PFT Commenter
I don't think he hates you forever anymore.
- [150:37]
Big Cat
He's. He doesn't hate me. There's a little part of him that
- [150:42]
PFT Commenter
hates me, but that's healthy for me.
- [150:44]
Big Cat
Yeah, that is healthy.
- [150:45]
Hank Lockwood
But you just got to be on your toes now, because any chance he gets.
- [150:48]
Big Cat
Yo. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's coming. The. It's. It's. It's getting back. Back to me at some point, but. Yeah, Memes. Are you. Have you. Are you over nipple gate?
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Memes
I'm over it. That's all I see online now, but.
- [150:59]
PFT Commenter
Oh, you know what you should do Memes. I don't want to tell you how to do your job. You're very good at the memes game. You know, the two ladies that sit behind the spurs bench. What if you photoshopped your own nipples onto their shirts?
- [151:11]
Big Cat
What if you sat there for game five?
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Memes
I thought about that.
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PFT Commenter
Have you thought about it. Yeah, I think.
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Hank Lockwood
I think I saw it on. I was going to do that maybe on Tick Tock. Someone called you Jack in the Plows.
- [151:21]
Big Cat
Oh yeah.
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Memes
That was good. That was good.
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Hank Lockwood
I like that one nipple back.
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Memes
Yeah.
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Big Cat
How much? How. What percentage do you hate me?
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Memes
No.
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PFT Commenter
Zero.
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Big Cat
That's. I say. I don't believe.
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PFT Commenter
Actually, you know what we should do? We should get. Get memes T shirts like. Like Taylor Swift had Stevie Nips. Yeah. Who else was I. Nippleback would have been one. And then what was the third Nipset. Niplo. Yeah, Niplo.
- [151:47]
Big Cat
We got all of them. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. That was unfortunate mistake. We did golf this morning, Memes and I, so. And I'll say this, he had an incredible bounce back. He was wearing a camouflage long sleeve which that right off the bat he's enter. You don't really know where you're looking.
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PFT Commenter
He's going into his Max era.
- [152:09]
Big Cat
Yeah. And then he. And they took off the long sleeves. He's got a little hot and he had like all these like weird like designs and stuff. Get your eyes going left, right, up, down. Can't really find where the nipples are. So he. He's already. He's already fixed it.
- [152:24]
Memes
As long as there's not a camera around, I dress fine.
- [152:27]
PFT Commenter
Same.
- [152:30]
Big Cat
All right, Zach, finish us off.
- [152:32]
Zach
Oh, my favorite fish this week. I did have a pretty good week this week, but I guess we're going for low lights. I did have a pretty rough, rough start to the season, which would be the competitive Call of Duty season. Season four is out. I. There's a rank system, gentlemen, and it goes by SR Points. So basically like, you do well, you receive points in return. You do bad, you lose points through a series of disconnects. I'm probably about 480 points in the hole. It will take me probably about five weeks to get that 480 back. I've since fixed the disconnect issue through YouTube videos, Reddit and prayers, but that's pretty much where we're at.
- [153:05]
PFT Commenter
What was the disconnect issue?
- [153:07]
Zach
They just. The game is just crashing.
- [153:10]
PFT Commenter
And so it was like. Was it one of those things where you'd start a game and because you logged out of the game, it punished you like it seemed?
- [153:16]
Zach
Yeah, they treat any disconnect as you abandoning it. So the game would crash and then I'd go to try to log back in and then it. I'd lose the points and then I'd get messages like, what the fuck, pussy. Why did you leave the game? So those are always fun, too.
- [153:31]
PFT Commenter
Would you care to address those allegations that you left the game because you're a pussy? What the fuck?
- [153:35]
Big Cat
Mm.
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Zach
Me being a pussy and me leaving the game are two separate issues. I didn't leave the game on purpose.
- [153:41]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [153:42]
Zach
For those of you thinking that correlation
- [153:44]
PFT Commenter
does not equal causation.
- [153:45]
Zach
Yes.
- [153:45]
PFT Commenter
Got it.
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Zach
Not a pussy, but also pussy. Yeah. Like, two separate things can be pussy
- [153:52]
PFT Commenter
sometimes, but that's not why. Right?
- [153:54]
Big Cat
Right.
- [153:54]
Zach
Maybe pussy IRL on game, standing on business.
- [153:57]
Big Cat
Yes. Yeah.
- [153:58]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
- [153:58]
Zach
Virtually 10 toes down.
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Big Cat
I don't think you're pussy IRL.
- [154:03]
Zach
I think you got to call your shots sometimes. You got to be.
- [154:05]
Big Cat
Have you guys thought at all about game five in San Antonio? Like, three guys, like, there's safety in numbers, you know?
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PFT Commenter
Three.
- [154:15]
Coach Brett Bielema
Man.
- [154:15]
Zach
I feel good about our three. Man.
- [154:18]
Memes
If we were to get jumped.
- [154:20]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [154:21]
Max
I don't think San Antonio is doing the jumping.
- [154:23]
Memes
But if we were you, you punch and run. So, like, big group follows you. You swing.
- [154:29]
Big Cat
You just have run.
- [154:30]
Memes
Swing.
- [154:31]
Zach
Then what do we think about running?
- [154:33]
Big Cat
Ron, also, you're now saying, Zach, I'm worried about my boy Zach. If there's a running situation, I think
- [154:41]
Zach
adrenaline, speed, I might be right.
- [154:43]
Big Cat
But it's like the old saying, like, you. You don't have to be the fastest. You just don't. You can't be the slowest.
- [154:48]
Zach
So I gotta trip somebody.
- [154:49]
Big Cat
Yeah, you gotta trip memes or chat.
- [154:51]
Zach
No, a different guy. You might have to be a different guy.
- [154:53]
Big Cat
No, I think that's what I'm saying. Chase also a beast.
- [154:57]
Zach
Yeah, he's. Yeah. Che means.
- [154:58]
Big Cat
Gotta say, God, guys won't. With Shay, they probably think he knows karate.
- [155:03]
Zach
Krav Maga.
- [155:04]
Big Cat
Yeah, a little something probably does. He probably does. Dude, that's the one thing. When you're with Che, everything works out for him.
- [155:11]
Zach
I can see Che being secret belted.
- [155:13]
Big Cat
Yeah, definitely secret belted. All right, Good show, boys. Numbers 11.
- [155:20]
PFT Commenter
Nice one.
- [155:22]
Big Cat
Oh, come on.
- [155:23]
Max
5.
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PFT Commenter
I go 3.
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Memes
I'm going 8.
- [155:28]
Zach
I'll go 33.
- [155:30]
Big Cat
95.
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Spencer Hawes
5.
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Max
We should. We should have been all over 8.
- [155:34]
Big Cat
Yeah. I'll go 44. Y. Oh. I'll go 73. Jacob. Jacob colton.
- [155:46]
Max
Jacob colton.
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Memes
Number 42.
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PFT Commenter
12.
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Big Cat
Jacob.
- [156:04]
PFT Commenter
Whoa. Let's go, Hank.
- [156:07]
Big Cat
Wow. Hank. Why'd you pick one?
- [156:10]
Hank Lockwood
One game at a time for the Spurs. One game at a time.
- [156:14]
Big Cat
Oh, no memes.
- [156:16]
Memes
No. That's a great sign.
- [156:17]
Big Cat
Why?
- [156:18]
Memes
Oh, cuz Hank's about to have the worst summer of his life.
- [156:20]
Big Cat
Oh. But that is also another person who is.
- [156:24]
Coach Brett Bielema
No, no, no.
- [156:25]
Memes
No, no, no, no. There's one more game left for the Knicks. That's why it was always going to be one. Thank you, Hank.
- [156:31]
PFT Commenter
Nick.
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Memes
Knicks are going to win in five.
- [156:32]
Big Cat
Memes. Memes is saying that he. Hank just submitted that memes gonna get to watch the Knicks win the championship on Saturday night in person.
- [156:41]
Hank Lockwood
I don't know how that correlates, but I'm happy I won with one.
- [156:44]
PFT Commenter
How does that mean that he's gonna have the worst summer ever.
- [156:47]
Memes
It's come.
- [156:48]
Max
This. You got some plan list is dwindling.
- [156:53]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, this is. You have the birthday number?
- [156:56]
Big Cat
It's. Yeah, it's.
- [156:59]
PFT Commenter
What a present.
- [156:59]
Big Cat
Pft. Colton. Yep. Max.
- [157:03]
PFT Commenter
Nope.
- [157:04]
Big Cat
Oh, not Max. Pft. Colton Memes. And Shane.
- [157:08]
Memes
I did.
- [157:09]
PFT Commenter
No.
- [157:09]
Big Cat
Has Shane gotten it?
- [157:10]
Max
Shane, have you gotten it?
- [157:12]
Zach
No.
- [157:12]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [157:13]
Coach Brett Bielema
Wow.
- [157:14]
Big Cat
Pft. Colton Memes. History repeating itself.
- [157:18]
Memes
I already got it.
- [157:18]
Big Cat
You did not.
- [157:20]
PFT Commenter
You did not.
- [157:20]
Memes
I got 10.
- [157:21]
Big Cat
You did not. You did not get it.
- [157:23]
Max
You did not.
- [157:24]
Memes
But it also doesn't matter, because Hank just won.
- [157:28]
Hank Lockwood
I won.
- [157:28]
Big Cat
He won.
- [157:29]
Memes
The next champion. Thank you.
- [157:30]
Hank Lockwood
I won.
- [157:31]
Big Cat
Good pick, Hank.
- [157:32]
Hank Lockwood
Thank you.
- [157:32]
PFT Commenter
Happy birthday today, Friday, June 12, to George H.W. bush. To Drew Holiday, Hideki Matsui. And Frank. Hank. Richard Sherman. Not the football player, but he's a composer. His name's also Richard Sherman. And then happy birthday on Saturday to handsome Hank Lockwood, 34 years old. We love you, Hank. Also, happy birthday to Hassan Whiteside, Chris Evans and Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen.
- [158:02]
Hank Lockwood
Yep.
- [158:02]
Big Cat
Nice. And to share a birthday with them.
- [158:04]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [158:05]
PFT Commenter
Oh, and Tim Allen.
- [158:07]
Hank Lockwood
I didn't know that.
- [158:08]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Remember when we killed him?
- [158:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [158:10]
Hank Lockwood
Who could forget?
- [158:10]
Big Cat
All right, awesome.
- [158:11]
PFT Commenter
But also, happy birthday.
- [158:13]
Spencer Hawes
Love, you guys.