Kyle Long and Pete Prisco, NFL Week 12 Picks And Preview, + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take – NFL Week 12 Picks & Preview

Episode Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter
Guests: Kyle Long, Pete Prisco

Episode Overview

This week’s episode is a classic packed PMT Friday: The guys preview every NFL Week 12 game, make their picks—with a choose-your-own-adventure Bills/Texans outcome—discuss their fantasy league and trade drama, debate NFL playoff pictures, and welcome Kyle Long and Pete Prisco to talk ball and banter about the most pressing storylines. Jerry’s Fantasy Minute and the customary Fyre Fest round out a jammed show that features the podcast’s trademark blend of sports analysis, inside jokes, and raucous camaraderie.

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Key Segments & Timestamp Guide

• NFL Week 12 Choose-Your-Adventure Game [02:44]
• Week 12 Game Previews and Picks [14:09–88:28]
• Fantasy League & Jerry’s Minute [31:36, 79:06]
• NFL Big Picture/Playoff Debate [135:52]
• Interview: Kyle Long & Pete Prisco [90:05–142:29]
• Fyre Fest of the Week [143:44]
• Lottery Ball & Closing Shenanigans [157:53]

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NFL Week 12 Preview & Picks

[Segment Start – 14:09]

Choose-Your-Own-Adventure: Bills vs. Texans

• The PMT crew jokes about not wanting to do a drunken game recap, so they each predict an outcome:
  • Hank: “34–10 Bills, Shakir scored twice, Josh Allen gets the first TD.” [03:33]
  • PFT: “Bills win but don’t cover.”
  • Max: “It’s a tie, 24–24.”
  • Zach and Memes both weirdly predict Texans to win, Memes: “Texans 7–3.”

Quote:
"Josh Allen used all his Josh Allen last week. He’s got no more Josh Allen left." – Zach [04:10]

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Previewing Every NFL Game

Steelers at Bears [16:28]

• Big Cat: “This is where the Bears start their seven-game playoff. They gotta go four and three. Game One: at home.” [18:54]
• PFT & Big Cat discuss the dread of facing Aaron Rodgers (“wants to stick it to the Bears one last time”) and the contrast between playing Rodgers and Mason Rudolph.
• Stat of the week: “Bears are 4–3 when trailing by at least four points in a game this year. From 2016–24, 25–86.” [20:26]
• Hank is mum on his Hungry Dog pick, maybe eyeing the Steelers. [22:13]
• Darnell Washington’s true weight: “311 lbs.” [21:41]
• Bears optimism: “Within the next month, the Bears will have a breakout offensive game.” [21:06]

Patriots at Bengals [23:38]

• Joe Burrow’s injury? “He was a full participant to start the week, Zach Taylor didn’t say no to starting him.” [23:38]
• PFT’s prop of the week: “Drake May to throw for 300+ yards, +264.” [24:12]
• Hank: “Why would Burrow come back?” [24:52]
• Drake May–PMT syncronicity: “He said in presser, ‘I’m leading the league because we haven’t had a bye yet.’” [25:13]
• Parody of stat arguments and Max–Hank friendly fire.

Giants at Lions [29:57]

• Lions haven’t lost back-to-back since 2022’s slow start; coming off a loss to the Giants—who can be first team eliminated with a loss.
• PFT: “Jahmyr Gibbs game, start him in fantasy.” [31:19]
• Jerry’s relentless fantasy trade spam recounted. “Most desperate thing I’ve ever heard.” – Big Cat [33:36]

Vikings at Packers [34:46]

• All the anxiety of two uncertain QBs and fanbases reeling. J.J. McCarthy says he’s “rewiring neurological pathways,” sparking both guffaws and concern. [35:10]
• Packers bad at covering as favorites: "0-6 as 4pt+ favorite" [44:16]
• Fan rivalry: annual tug-of-war over the St. Croix bridge demoted from neutral territory; riveting townie shout-outs by Cat. [41:01]
• Packers fanbase taking heat from LaFleur for selling tickets to Vikings fans.

Seahawks at Titans [45:31]

• “This game is a bummer.” [46:00]
• Seahawks have won six straight in 1pm ET slots, best ATS record.
• Cam Ward stat: “Toughest defense schedule by any #1 overall rookie QB.” [46:59]
• 1987 Oilers–Seahawks playoff “revenge” callback.

Colts at Chiefs [47:38]

• Stakes for the Chiefs: “If they lose, they’ll have to win 6 of last 7. Could be end of their era.” [48:01]
• Spat about what constitutes a ‘dynasty’: “Win 3 in 5 years, that counts.”
• PFT’s stat: “Chiefs 18% late-game success rate—worst of any NFL team in a decade.” [52:45]
• Colts have never lost to Mahomes in the regular season. [55:01]
• Chiefs on playoff bubble (“Jalen Hurts has never missed the playoffs”) barbs.

Jets at Ravens [57:02]

• Tyrod Taylor starts. Memes: “I think the Jets are due to get blown out. If Lamar plays, go enjoy your Sunday.” [57:21]
• Ravens WRs: “Lead the league in INTs off deflections.” [58:03]
• Jets: “No interceptions this year—the only team.” [58:40]

Browns at Raiders [59:47]

• Browns haven’t won in Pacific time zone since 2012.
• Shador Sanders’ home was robbed during his first regular-season game, but: “I didn’t get robbed. My house did.” [63:02]
• Browns stat: “Since 1999, QBs making their first Cleveland start are 0–17.” [62:03]

Jaguars at Cardinals [64:49]

• “Jonathan Gannon said, ‘I didn’t hire myself. I’m not firing myself.’” [65:08]
• Trevor Lawrence is advised to "cut it loose," showing promising play, but inconsistency rules the segment.

Falcons at Saints [66:33]

• “The Falcons are just the biggest bummer team out there.” [66:33]
• Drew Brees will be in the booth for this rivalry, triggering ATL fans.
• Faltering offense and injuries dominate talk.

Eagles at Cowboys [68:48]

• “Are you nervous, Max?” —Big Cat. Max: “Of course. It’s hard to sweep the Cowboys.” [69:48]
• Kelly Greens on the road for the first time. Max: “Always a good idea.” [70:49]
• Dak's unstoppable NFC East home record: 21–2 SU, 17–6 ATS. [70:30]

Bucs at Rams [73:53]

• “Bucs have the flu.” [74:06]
• Sean McVay has “no bulletin board value” for Baker Mayfield, but the Rams are the pick for most.
• Bucs caught in their annual midseason slump.

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Playoff Picture & Hungry Dog [135:52, 77:27]

• Pete & Kyle name their playoff seven for each conference; agree on most, debate the final NFC spot (Bears vs Niners).
• Hank’s hungry dog picks: “Vikings, Browns, Cowboys, Bucs, Steelers, Colts.” [77:55]
• Brief debate about round robins and the psychology of betting Hungry Dog parlays.

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Interview: Kyle Long & Pete Prisco [90:05]

Most Frequent Disagreements

• Pete: “Probably the Bears. Because Kyle’s a homer and I’m more realistic.” [91:01]
• Kyle counters with how much the Bears have improved (fewer sacks, confidence winning close games, the “Ben Johnson effect”).
• Both agree: “Meaningful football in December” for Bears fans is a blessing.

Bears’ Cultural Shift

• Kyle: “Everything Ben Johnson does is so insane it’s authentic... you need a psychopath, dude, and they’ve got one.” [95:27]
• Pete: The “Good, Better, Best” mantra is “corny.”

Chiefs Troubles

• Pete: “Patrick Mahomes needs to play like Michael Jordan again.”
• Kyle: “The one unsung hero of the Chiefs dynasty is Steve Spagnuolo and that defense.” [100:59]

Eagles Discussion

• On the offense:
  • Pete: “Route tree is primitive… they need to go back to their roots.. turn and hand the ball off to that guy who carried you to the Super Bowl last year.”
• On A.J. Brown drama:
  • Kyle: “Receivers are just different... In Chicago, we had guys get kicked out of 9-on-7s because Jay wouldn’t throw the ball.”

Bo Nix & the Broncos

• Pete: “I don’t trust Bo Nix yet... Too many quarters where he disappears.” [107:11]
• Kyle: “I’m a believer in the Broncos’ formula.”

Contender Quick Picks

• AFC: Both like the Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs more than Patriots, Broncos, or Colts.
• NFC: Discourse around Seahawks, Daniel Jones, doubts over Chargers’ OL and playoff chances. Short debate on the value and accuracy of “schedule analysis.”

Fun/Off-Topic

• Pete admits to being “dirty” as a 165-pound high school guard. [121:35]
• O-lineman ritual: “I cupped Pete’s tricep—felt like a horse’s leg.” – Kyle
• Spitgate: Both say it’s “one of the most disgusting things you can do.” Pete once KO’d a huge guy who dumped a beer on him. [133:35]

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Jerry's Fantasy Minute [79:06]

• A stream-of-consciousness group chat begging for trades: “More trade deals than the Trump administration.”
• Big Cat: “That was the most desperate thing I’ve ever heard.” [33:36]
• Team is second in standings but behaving like sellers at the deadline.

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Fyre Fest of the Week [143:44]

• Hank discovers he’s “starting to enjoy reading Don Quixote.” [143:49]
• PFT’s “lost DM” about tracking coaching planes and his resulting existential dread (“someone out there got the most confusing text of all time”).
• Big Cat fending off the week-of-Thanksgiving tummy stinger.
• Zach’s “bomb alarm” possibly angering a neighbor.
• Closing with the traditional rigged/unrigged lottery ball, complete with the “Lil’ Hank” toy drama.

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Notable Quotes & Viral Moments

• “It’s peaceful…a couple chapters a night, and then last night I was like, actually, I kept reading another chapter.” – Hank on reading Don Quixote [146:08]
• “That’s the type of place you can drink 40 beers, bowl 10 games, eat three pounds of cheese curds, and your tab’s $22.” – Big Cat on midwest bars [43:10]
• “Anytime you feel good, I want you more involved.” – Big Cat to Hank after a hilariously fumbled stat [44:48]
• “There should be a designated spitter on every team. This guy is the captain of spitting today.” – Big Cat [29:45]
• “I have more questions about the Colts quarterback than I do about the guy in Seattle.” – Kyle Long [115:53]
• “Somebody out there got the most confusing text of all time demanding flight logs.” – PFT [149:23]
• “I'm a little more realistic [about the Bears] because I look at the schedule and see they really have…played one team with a winning record and lost to them.” – Pete Prisco [91:01]
• “Receivers are just different.” – Kyle Long, on Eagles’ WR drama [103:28]

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Episode Tone & Language

The episode is prime PMT: a mix of inside jokes, real sports analysis, playful antagonism, brutal honesty, and segments that walk the line between in-depth discussion and open-mic night at a dive bar. Friendly derision, running gags (Hungry Dog, lottery ball), and recurring fantasy football frustration flavor every segment. Guests (Kyle Long and Pete Prisco) match the hosts’ banter and jump right into both high-level debate and stories from the trenches. The language veers from silly (“so many home runs”) to serious (“the Bears are starting a seven-game series”), always returning to the show’s mantra: never take it all too seriously.

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Summary Verdict

This episode delivers the full Pardon My Take experience:

• Thoughtful (if rowdy) NFL preview
• Inside stories and arguments from ex-players and expert insiders
• Wild fantasy football drama, unfiltered group chat energy
• Uniquely PMT humor, from Hank’s evolving book report to spit-designations and Lil' Hank lottery ball rigging

If you missed the episode, this summary will keep you in the mix for the week’s games (and the week's wildest sports talk).

Transcript

[Big Cat]

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. When cool creamy ranch meets tangy bold buffalo, the hole is greater than the sum of its sauce. Say howdy partner to new buffalo ranch sauce only at McDonald's for a limited time at participating McDonald's on today's part of my take presented by DraftKings we have week 12 picks in preview for every game. We're also joined by our good friends Pete Prisco and Kyle Long. Together two bald guys, jock and nerd. You can decide who's the jock, who's a nerd. Great time with them Talking ball. We are going to do choose your own adventure for the Bills Texan games because we are doing the case race tonight for the yak we have fyre fest of of the week Jerry's fantasy minute. Our best bets, our TD parlay packed Friday. It's all brought to you by game time. The NFL's in full swing. Tailgates pack stands the buzz before kickoff. Hank, what game are we looking at? But getting in nightmare.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach, what game are we looking at?

[Big Cat]

Zach, you got a game you could.

[Zach]

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[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

Yeah. Steelers, Bears. Okay, how much you can get in where? $359.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Hey, football guy. Yeah, bar.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, November 21st and the bills are back.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Texans are going to be a frisky team. So they had to keep their head above water with actually the easiest guy to keep your head above water. David smells.

[Big Cat]

So. So we're doing a choose your own adventure for the people listening at home because we're doing the yak case race tonight. Pft. Hank and I are all involved and. Which will be out on Wednesday before Thanksgiving. So we're. As you're listening to this, we are either already drunk or violently hungover. So we watched the game, but we didn't want to get on the microphone drunk for the recap. I think the Bills won.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Bills won but did not cover. Okay, Hank, like the Bills blew him out.

[Big Cat]

You think the Bills blew them out? Give us a score. Choose your own adventure.

[Hank]

34, 10.

[Big Cat]

34, 10. Who scored for the Bills? Shakir had a baby bump.

[Hank]

Skier scored twice.

[Big Cat]

Twice.

[Hank]

Josh Allen scored the first touchdown.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a great night for you. Yeah, you're probably pretty pumped. I've got 17 to 20.

[Big Cat]

I'm going to say bill's 27. Texan 17.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So I have a similar score, but another seven on the bills.

[Hank]

Someone should pick the Texans. So he's smart.

[Max]

I'm going to take Ty.

[Big Cat]

Ty.

[Max]

4, 24. Tie.

[Big Cat]

Zach. Give us score.

[Memes]

Score.

[Zach]

We're going to go 24 to 7. Who? Texans. Josh Allen used all his Josh Allen last week. He's got no more Josh Allen left.

[Pete Prisco]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

He has to regenerate.

[Big Cat]

Wow. Beams.

[Memes]

Seven to three.

[Big Cat]

Seven to three. What a stinker.

[PFT Commenter]

Who wins?

[Memes]

Texans.

[Big Cat]

Texans. Okay, let's just do a couple. A couple more games real quick. Clippers. Magic.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you're good.

[Hank]

I think.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Paolo went off tonight.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'm gonna agree. Magic, Kings, Grizzlies, everyone. Go check your newspaper.

[PFT Commenter]

Grizz.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna say the Kings.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it's got to be the Grizz.

[Big Cat]

Bucks, 76ers.

[Max]

Sixers coming off the back to back.

[PFT Commenter]

The Bucks. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Give us the box.

[Hank]

So they're playing a back to back to back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that would be. They're playing three in a row. They're coming off a back to back tonight. No, tonight's the back.

[Max]

Tonight is.

[Big Cat]

Tonight's the back.

[Hank]

Second game of back to back.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, playoff p was back. And then after that, the Sixers went back to back.

[Big Cat]

This is the back in the back to back.

[Max]

This is. They're coming off of a back.

[Big Cat]

No. Oh, wait. No, no. Coming off of back to back would be three games in a row. They're on. They're. They're doing their back.

[Max]

They're coming off a back. Coming on a back. They're coming off.

[PFT Commenter]

Back to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, back to.

[PFT Commenter]

Ben Simmons used to do that. Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

They've done a backslid.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All right, Kardashian situation.

[Big Cat]

Hawks, Spurs. Spurs.

[PFT Commenter]

Spurs. Well, Wimby's out.

[Big Cat]

Wemby. Still, it stands.

[Hank]

He's on.

[PFT Commenter]

He's on the team.

[Big Cat]

I said what? I said Wemby.

[PFT Commenter]

He's on the team. Speaking of the Sixers, Big cat, me and you, when we were at the. At the Paws Furball. They do a great charity there. We, We. We bid on some items in the silent auction. I showed Big Cat one of the items they had there. It was Bulls, Sixers, courtside tickets.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And I was like, we should maybe bid on this and try to get it for Max. Fast forward throughout the night. I was getting outbid on it. I did not know that Big cat was the one that was bidding against each other. Sitting next to each other, accidentally bidding against each other. I found out I won the tickets at the end of the night because I forgot. Yeah, you forgot about it for the last hour.

[Big Cat]

I just forgot.

[PFT Commenter]

And Max is definitely out of town.

[Big Cat]

No, wait, I. I had also had the weekend wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, no, but it's. I, I looked it up. It's. It's the day after Christmas. You're definitely out of town. Oh, so we gotta find. We gotta find somebody else in the office to give these courtsides Mikey bats. Take it, Sue. Yeah, yeah. Or any other Sixers fans.

[Max]

You should make them fight for it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we will.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we'll make a fight. Oh, if Conor agrees to not hire Bob Chesney.

[Big Cat]

He has that type of poll. I mean, the guy knows around.

[Max]

Yeah, it's got to be.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's the 26th.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's the 26th of December.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's a different month.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Max]

The Sixers are here the 26th of December.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay. I have been saying I'll go to a game with Mikey Betts.

[PFT Commenter]

So you're gonna be around.

[Big Cat]

I am either back from Florida in the 26th or 27th.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, to take tickets.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Might take the tickets.

[PFT Commenter]

That's that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We were bidding against each other.

[PFT Commenter]

Didn't even know about it. It was stupid like this some.

[Big Cat]

And we were trying to be nice to Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That last time we ever tried to do that.

[Big Cat]

Max, do you want to say thank you?

[Max]

Thank you. I'm trying to figure out a way I can go.

[PFT Commenter]

No, don't worry about it. You're good.

[Max]

Well, I would like to go.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You'd like to go. Okay. Anything else before we get to the picks and preview?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Shout out to the US Men's national team.

[Big Cat]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Hottest team in sports.

[Big Cat]

I love your reaction, Hank.

[Hank]

I was.

[PFT Commenter]

I just have a little national pride, Hank. You're all about you. You're a European guy. I understand that. Above all all else, you should appreciate us taking the sport back from. From Europe.

[Big Cat]

Did we?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we're really. We're very good right now going into the World Cup.

[Big Cat]

Are we?

[PFT Commenter]

We beat Uruguay.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And we had.

[Big Cat]

Were they trying?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, and we had a couple starters that weren't even playing. We beat them five to one.

[Big Cat]

They were trying.

[PFT Commenter]

They were trying.

[Big Cat]

They were trying as hard as they can.

[PFT Commenter]

I did not ask them. I didn't like hook them up to a podcast afterwards. And then the US Men's national team's last game, they're send off before the World cup is going to be here in Chicago.

[Big Cat]

Oh, when's that?

[PFT Commenter]

In June.

[Big Cat]

Let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

So we got to go to it.

[Big Cat]

We got to send the boys.

[PFT Commenter]

I got to be there.

[Big Cat]

To what, Kansas City?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's coming home.

[Big Cat]

Gotta send them off.

[PFT Commenter]

The boys are. The boys are going. The Yanks are coming. No, it was, it was cool. Like because in the last year we've sucked and then now all of a sudden we're good.

[Big Cat]

So this is the year we have to be good.

[PFT Commenter]

Golden generation.

[Big Cat]

We have to be good. Right?

[PFT Commenter]

We will be.

[Big Cat]

Max means. What are you talking about? You talking about the boys? The lads?

[Max]

No, not. We're talking MLB free agency back here.

[Big Cat]

Oh, what do you got?

[Max]

Josh Naylor back to the Mariners. Yeah, I saw that the Orioles did something.

[Big Cat]

Shoda showed a still a Cub train.

[Max]

Christian back to the Yankees and oh, Brandon Woodruff back to the Brewers.

[Memes]

Yamamoto is going out to dinner with the highly recruited Japanese guy. Yes.

[Big Cat]

I mean he's going to the Dodgers. The Japanese guy.

[Max]

There's multiple Japanese guys.

[Big Cat]

I know, but they're all going to the Dodgers.

[Memes]

Yeah, but the number one guy is.

[Big Cat]

Going to Dodgers and it makes sense.

[Max]

And Kyle Tucker's going to go to the Dodgers too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, probably. Okay, that was our.

[PFT Commenter]

Where Schwerber going?

[Big Cat]

Schwerber. The Pirates were in. Did you see that rumor?

[Max]

No shot. The Pirate.

[Big Cat]

Why not?

[Max]

No shot.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like the Pirates version of them actually signing a big free agent would be just leaking it that they're thinking about something.

[Kyle Long]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

That was mean.

[PFT Commenter]

This is their red meat to the fan base. Be like, look, we tried.

[Big Cat]

I saw like some Pirates fans saying, I'm all the way Back in if they sign Kyle Schwarber. So mean. I think Schwarber is going to go Phillies, Reds or Cubs.

[Max]

The Pirates are not a singular Kyle Schwarber away from competing in the nl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but they would be better.

[PFT Commenter]

They need.

[Max]

Obviously, at least you put Kyle Schwarber on the Pirates.

[PFT Commenter]

Are they.

[Max]

Are they contenders in the NL if.

[Big Cat]

He hits 150 home runs?

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Big Cat]

I think they hit 150 home runs for the Pirates. Next year they will be in the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know about that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. 150 home runs. I think they need so many home runs.

[Max]

So many home runs.

[Big Cat]

That's so many home runs they gotta have.

[Max]

They would win everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think they would. They need four Kyle Schwabbers.

[Big Cat]

How many home runs could Kyle Schorber hit for the Pirates to get to the playoffs? Someone do the math on that of like the Pirates run differential.

[Max]

They gotta have some young guys coming up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that.

[Max]

I gotta. I gotta be honest. I don't know. Pirate. I don't.

[Hank]

I don't.

[Max]

I'm not familiar with. I know, I know, I know.

[Big Cat]

Their owner is a fucking shithead. Yeah.

[Hank]

Fuck.

[Big Cat]

He's in the shithead group.

[Max]

And they have a good ballpark.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

That I would like to go to someday.

[PFT Commenter]

I am the captain now.

[Big Cat]

We should do a just shithead owner podcast where we just. We just list them all. Maybe like Zach put this down mid July, just one day when we got nothing going on. We're just gonna start fucking naming out all the shithead owners. Do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't want to be on this list.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And guess what? If you're a shithead owner listening right now, you have until mid July to fix it.

[Max]

That's.

[Big Cat]

We're giving a warning because you don't want us to say your name and probably get some facts wrong and nothing to really happen from it.

[PFT Commenter]

The body of evidence of a lot of shithead owners is gonna be a lot to overcome in six months.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know why we're getting shamed for this. By the way, Hannah Montoya, who we love. She colleague, she said inside scoop. I looked at their phones yesterday and neither Big Cat or PFD have their Twitter on dark mode. What the fuck?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I never have.

[PFT Commenter]

So what?

[Big Cat]

So come at me.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like dark.

[Big Cat]

What are you laughing about? Memes? You think we're. You think we're old?

[Max]

Do you have it on dark mode?

[Memes]

I haven't done dark mode.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you the girl.

[Memes]

I got bad eyes, though.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like dark mode. It hurts my eyes when I look at dark mode. And then the lines from all the lines of text, they. They go into the next thing that I look at.

[Big Cat]

Agree.

[PFT Commenter]

I like light mode.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, same.

[Max]

What are you on, Hank?

[Hank]

Light.

[PFT Commenter]

That's right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Mean, leave us alone.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Big Cat]

I don't like to be shamed.

[Memes]

Okay, but you're on light mode right now. You could get on desktop, too.

[Max]

Yeah, on desktop.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Max is on light mode.

[Big Cat]

Those girls upstairs, they shame us. I got shame for wearing sneakers and jeans.

[Pete Prisco]

The other.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, all they do is they.

[Kyle Long]

What the fuck?

[PFT Commenter]

They stand behind pillars and giggles.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Your technology, your choice.

[Memes]

Pickaxe.

[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

Weekend Preview is brought to you by UberEats. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats, reminding fans that if football coincidentally makes you hungry, you can get game day deals on wings, burgers, beers, chips, and more all season long, all on Uber Eats. Hank, what do you want to eat this Sunday?

[Hank]

Let's get some wings and some pizza.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I like that. I like that. We gotta get some wings.

[PFT Commenter]

Mix it up a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we. We could do it all on UberEats. You'll love being able to get all your personal favorite game day foods delivered on UberEats so you never miss a play. When football makes you hungry, get game day deals all season long, only on UberEats. Shout out UberEats. By the way, I was in a jam. My kids just demanded. They wanted bagel bites one night, randomly. Didn't have any bagel bites. Uber eats 20 minutes. Boom. Bagel bites. So Uber eats when football makes you hungry, get game day deals all season long, only on UberEats. All right, boys, week 12. We're getting there. Pft. We're getting closer and closer, back and.

[PFT Commenter]

Forth between being excited about football and being sad that it's almost.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's almost over. So this week we do have four buys. We're getting. I think there's buys after Thanksgiving as well. We're getting close to the end of the buys. The Commanders are on a buy. Yeah. It's got to make you excited.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm very excited. It's. It's a great weekend to be a football fan in Washington D.C. this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe the best of the year.

[Big Cat]

So the Dolphins, the Chargers, the Commanders, and the Broncos, all on buys. We have some games where the lines are very large. There's some 13 and a half point spreads.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a lot of points.

[Big Cat]

But we also have some big leverage games. The biggest, obviously, is going to be the, I believe the, the Bears and Steelers, where if the Bears win, they have a 71% chance of making the playoffs. If they lose, they have a 45% chance making the playoffs. If the Steelers win, they have a 63 chance, and if they lose, they have a 37% chance. So big swings, other big swings. I think the, the Lions and Packers have big swings if they lose. The Panthers have a huge swing if they win. So this is fun.

[PFT Commenter]

We're getting down to it and we got potentially the biggest swing of them all, which is the booger game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Colts and Chiefs. The Chiefs will be projected to not make the playoffs per. Per booger McFarland.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If they lose that game, they will.

[Big Cat]

Go from 68% to 35%. Yep. If they lose that game. Okay, let's get into them. This is going to be a fun Sunday.

[Hank]

We.

[Big Cat]

We have not the best afternoon slate, but the first. The, the one o' clocks are going to be fun. So let's start. Steelers at Bears. Bears minus two and a half. Is Aaron Rodgers playing? Is the big question.

[PFT Commenter]

We don't know. My guess is that he is. I think that.

[Big Cat]

I think he is.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's going to do everything that he can possibly do to try to play. If you're Aaron Rodgers, that means maybe the return of Perk Rogers. I think it's probably more likely the return of Crystals Rogers. He's probably got like a whole setup with dream catchers. He's got the Etsy witch coming. Actually. No, he's. He's already married to an Etsy witch. Right?

[Big Cat]

We don't know, but we think so.

[PFT Commenter]

She's definitely putting spells on it.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

He will be playing, I think on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

It.

[PFT Commenter]

It's hard for me to imagine him taking passing up the opportunity for one last chance to play against the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Yes.

[Zach]

He.

[Big Cat]

That is my fear of this game is Aaron Rodgers, who I don't think is like an elite quarterback anymore, will become an elite quarterback because he wants to stick it to the Bears one last time.

[Hank]

But better Rogers than Mason Rudolph.

[PFT Commenter]

Agreed. No, that's just. That's just not true. You would much rather play against Mason Rudolph.

[Big Cat]

I would, yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

But last week you said Mason Rudolph's better quarterback.

[Big Cat]

No, I said there's not a huge difference between the two that people like. People think there's a huge difference. I do not think there's a huge difference. The only difference is Aaron Rodgers wants to stick it to point the Bears. If there was a. If the, if this was against another team, I think it would be kind of a toss up because I, I just think Rogers mobility is. Is limited. But I do not want to play Aaron Rodgers. I want to win the game. I think we have a better chance of beating Mason Rudolph 100.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Yes. But I don't think that Aaron Rodgers is going to give up the opportunity to play in Chicago one more time. Now this is Big Cat. If we're just speaking, speaking neutrally about this game. If, if this was against another team that is like a carbon copy of what the Bears have done this year, this would be a game where you would say this is Mike Tomlin game. You might be on the receiving end of the Mike Tomlin game is what I'm getting at.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. It's under a field goal. Usually Mike Tomlin would be like, it'll be like a four and a half underdog point underdog and then they do it. I. I don't know. And they're also coming up. They're coming off a win. So that's not. That in itself is not a Mike Tomlin game if it's Mike Thomas. Games are usually awful loss, underdog on the road. Everyone's buried them. Boom.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like if it's Mason Rudolph, you're more in the Mike Tomlin game zone. That could be Aaron Rodgers.

[Big Cat]

I. So this game I am. I have, I gave you the gateway game after, after week two. I have decided that the Bears on Sunday are starting a seven game series and they have to win the seven game series to get to the playoffs. They have to go four and three to get to the playoffs. Game one is Sunday. Gotta try to win game one at home. Game one at home. And I'm very excited. I. The Bears have been an exciting, fun watch. I'm getting, I'm. I'm starting to get my hopes up a little. But this is a big one because knowing what's coming down the stretch. But the Bears control their day. We're in mid November. Just thinking about last year. Thanksgiving was the horrific Matt Eber floose.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Clock gate in Detroit getting fired now we're a year away, a year past that. Ben Johnson has this thing turned around 73 people want to call the Bears frauds. I still don't really understand that because I don't think there's a lot of people who are like, the Bears are an awesome, awesome team. I think they're a good team that is getting better every single week. And to be frauds, you'd have to be like, you know, 10. When the Steelers were, what was it?

[PFT Commenter]

11 and oh, and it was like worst 11. And. Oh yeah, right, right.

[Big Cat]

That was.

[PFT Commenter]

I think with the Bears, it's like almost a compliment that they're calling you frauds.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, people just want to. They just want to. On. On any success the Bears have. But that's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

But you, you can't really on it. That's like for a team that hasn't had any success recently. That's correct. I looked at that as a compliment last year when I was being called a fraud. Yeah, it was like, yeah, you're being called a fraud. That means that you're winning football games. It's an honor to be fraudulent.

[Big Cat]

The Bears. So this is a testament to this. I, I've said this many times here. Like that's A game the Bears would never win. And there's data to, to back it up. The Bears this year are four and three went down four plus points at any point in this game in a game. So they're 4 and 3 when they, when they have a deficit of 4 plus points. From 2016 to 2024, they were 25 and 86 in those exact spots, 23%. So essentially, if you just got a lead on the Bears, it was over. That's not the case anymore. I also love that the Steelers are nervous about Caleb Williams. They brought in John Reese Plumlee to mimic his elusiveness.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

That's fun and I'm. Yeah, I'm excited. I think here's my prediction too. Not maybe not this game, but I think within the next month the Bears are going to have a full on breakout game where their offense puts everything together and the defense is getting healthier. Kyler Gordon has opened his practice window. Jalen Johnson's open his practice window. I think there's going to be a game in the next like three or four weeks where the Bears put it all together and it looks awesome. So I'm excited. Last thing I had on this game is we. Darnell Washington admitted how much he weighs.

[PFT Commenter]

311 pounds.

[Big Cat]

3, 6, 7. 311 pounds. Said I got to keep it a buck. I'm 311 pounds.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

That's so big.

[PFT Commenter]

And you know what? When I saw that, I told, I told Aryan about that. And Aryan said that imagine how good he'd be if he got down to 280. And I said, no, you don't get it. You don't understand the allure of Mount Washington. It'd be better if he got up to 330. Yeah, I think he could still move pretty good. At £330, he's one of the best blocking tight ends in the game. And the fact that he's able to catch and run like that, it's incredible. Yeah, I love watching this guy play. I would like it even more if he was heavier.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hank, are you gonna put the Steelers in your hungry dog?

[Hank]

Hey, I gotta see who's the quarterback. Is.

[Big Cat]

Are you thinking about it? You're thinking about it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so that means if it's Aaron Rodgers. Yes.

[Hank]

I don't know. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what that answer meant.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's also crazy. Is he gonna play with just no left hand? Like, I don't understand.

[Hank]

I don't want to put a, a guy in the hungry dog who's doing it just because like I don't think.

[PFT Commenter]

That'S a hungry dog though.

[Hank]

No. But if you only have a place. I've played good against them in my career so naturally I'm gonna play good now. Like, I just don't know if that's the case. He has a completely broken left hand.

[PFT Commenter]

Would that mean that he would be handing the ball backhanded one direction?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

He'd be getting any snaps under center. Would be getting snapped directly into that left.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's got to go one way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that would. That would probably hurt. He's probably going to get it shot up with a bunch of cool stuff. He's going to really enjoy that. But I mean you don't throw with your left hand unless you're like Mahomes or Josh Allen. Sometimes I think he's going to play.

[Big Cat]

I do have a bet for everyone too. I think this is the Colson Loveland he already has had kind of a breakout game. Obviously that game winning touchdown about against the Bengals. I don't see any props up yet. But Colson Loveland, big game. That's my prediction. And the Bears win. Okay, let's go to the next game. Patriots at Bengals. Hank. The Bengals are six and a half point underdogs over unders 50 and a half. Joe Burrow. Are we getting Joe Burrow?

[PFT Commenter]

We might get Joe Burrow. So he, he was a full participant in 11 on 11 work to start the week and they asked Zach Taylor about it and he did not say no when they asked him if he was going to start this weekend.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so we.

[PFT Commenter]

We don't know but it's not a no yet.

[Big Cat]

Do you want to see Joe Burrow or Joe Flacco?

[Hank]

I don't know. It's kind. It's similar to the. To the Steelers thing. It's like I don't. I kind of think playing Joe Burrow coming off an injury right. Be better than Joe Flacco.

[Big Cat]

He might have some rust.

[Hank]

Definitely has some rust.

[PFT Commenter]

So this is my prop of a lifetime this weekend. It's Drake made to throw 300 yards for the first time plus 264. I put it in before the show started. I feel like this is the week. I've timed Drake may pretty good this year. I called his first win against a team with a winning record. I nailed that one. I feel very confident going up against that defense. The Bengals defense. You can't help but throw 300 yards against them.

[Big Cat]

They're historically One of the worst defenses ever. They're so bad.

[PFT Commenter]

They're so bad. They actually could become the first team, I think, in the entire super bowl era to finish dead last in rushing yards allowed, in points allowed, and passing yards allowed. The stinky hat trick.

[Hank]

Why would Joe Burrow come back?

[Big Cat]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

That's because he wants to play. Yeah, that's the thing.

[Big Cat]

He likes to play football.

[PFT Commenter]

He likes to play football, and he'd rather play football than not play football. I. I think also to a certain extent, he gets. If you're getting paid that much money, you probably. There's something in you that makes you want to go out there and earn it.

[Big Cat]

Hank, is there a chance Drake May listens to this show and maybe is a big fan of Max? Because did you see in a press conference this week, he was asked about leading the NFL in passing yards, completion percentage, and more, and he said, probably the reason I am is we haven't had a buy yet. He took Max's quote.

[Hank]

Yeah, I don't think that was the most original take from that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I was just asking a question.

[PFT Commenter]

But it was that.

[Max]

That wasn't even a take. That wasn't fact.

[Big Cat]

I was just. And he just repeated the fact. He might not have known that he didn't have a buy yet until he listened to Max say they haven't had a buy. You can't say it's a zero percent.

[Hank]

No, I like that. I. I would love if Drake listen to the show. He probably does.

[Big Cat]

Shout out Drake.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out Drake. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Shout out Drake.

[Max]

I think Drake May is good, but if you're gonna say he's leading the league in passing, you have to talk about how.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to talk about that.

[Hank]

It's not really you also, but if you look at that. Passing leaders.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He would be leading all of them.

[Max]

He would be fifth.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, if you look at the passing.

[Max]

Leaders, which is still very good, but like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but he's gonna look at the passing leaders.

[Hank]

350 yards this week.

[PFT Commenter]

So then that's gonna give 350.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We're jumping up to 350.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Hank]

You've nailed Drake May all year.

[PFT Commenter]

You can make that your problem in the draft.

[Hank]

But like you. Ever since then, you've.

[Max]

That is my plus. I've had Mike Ste on the Draft King sportsbook. 350 plus.

[PFT Commenter]

Had my finger on the pulse of Drake. Maybe I'm the Drake May whisper facts.

[Big Cat]

Are you nervous at all about this game?

[Hank]

Yes. Like you said, it's a seven game. Series for the Bears Patriots are in kind of like this is the preseason and you just can't. They got six games left. I am definitely worried about a letdown coming. I think the Bills and Ravens, if they lose either one of those games, it's not a letdown, but one of these.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Bengals, Giants, Dolphins, Jets.

[Big Cat]

You can't.

[Hank]

Those are the games you have to.

[Big Cat]

That's who you're playing. Wait, say it again.

[Hank]

We have Bills and Ravens, Bengals, Giants, Dolphins, Jets, Gauntlet.

[Max]

I can't believe you're offended that we said that. He has had a buy. I.

[PFT Commenter]

It's insane.

[Hank]

When did I get offended?

[Max]

Yeah, you were. You were offended.

[Hank]

I was not.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, it's a fact. You can't get offended. They don't.

[Hank]

I merely stated, if you look at the top of the leaderboards, he is at the top.

[PFT Commenter]

Is this similar to fact?

[Hank]

Okay, thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

So, Hank, last. Last year, you remember you. When you played the. You played the Bengals that week one.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Dumped Gatorade on mayo.

[PFT Commenter]

That sounds disgusting. That might be the worst possible combination of a sauce ever. Do you feel maybe this is the exact same game, just the other way around?

[Hank]

I did think that earlier. That's the letdown. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's because they were, I think, seven point favorites last year and we won.

[Big Cat]

Eight and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Seven. Yeah, it was around seven to eight. But, yeah, kind of a similar vibe. But you did dodge a bullet. No Jamar Chase. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

By the way, Jamar Chase is.

[Hank]

I feel like that's going to hold Burrow back from playing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, no, Jamar Chase is. Is huge. But more than anything, I feel like suspending the game is fine. The. The check. Yeah. $507,000. Half a millie for one game. That's brutal.

[PFT Commenter]

That's an expensive loogie.

[Big Cat]

You need to. You need to get like. Everyone should just figure out a way to get it all in signing bonus. So if you do end up spitting on someone and they start posting how much you get paid per game, it's like $30,000. Because that's. I saw that. I was like, dude, that's not just a little fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Could you do spit insurance? Could players buy spitting? Sure. Like, in case I get suspended this year, I'd like to be covered.

[Kyle Long]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Like Aflac.

[Hank]

Did you see the person who denied the appeal?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, it was Jordy Nelson.

[Hank]

I think receivers, like, they. They're some type of bond.

[Big Cat]

I denied it first, but yeah, spit brothers.

[Hank]

I was surprised by that.

[PFT Commenter]

I was not really shocked that Jordy Nelson said, no, you're going to be suspended for, for a week. That, that feels fair to me. But I was actually thinking more about the Jalen Ramsey isn't why being a.

[Hank]

Wide receiver, like a brotherhood, like you got to have your.

[PFT Commenter]

Each other's backs and stuff, everyone gets one spit.

[Hank]

I don't know if it was Jalen Ramsey, he should get suspended, but it's.

[Big Cat]

Like, yeah, you would think that the wide receivers would have each other's backs. Yeah, I agree with that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think cornerbacks would have gotten two weeks.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If you spent but one week for a wide receiver, that sounds, that sounds right. Jordy Nelson, he's working in the corporate office now. You know how the corporate life goes, Hank. Yeah. You sell out and then all of a sudden you don't have your guys backs anymore. That's kind of what Jordy Nelson's up to. That's what I think is happening. But I do think that Jalen should be allowed to spit on, on somebody else. Spray it forward. Yeah. Like if you get spit on, then you then have that spit in your pocket that you can use.

[Big Cat]

I just, I, I stand pat. I think there should be a designated spitter on every team. This guy is the captain of spinning today. If he spits, he's allowed to. And then you just get two guys spitting at each other if things get nasty.

[PFT Commenter]

Sounds kind of hot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, sounds really hot. Speed each other's mouths. Okay. Giants, lions, lions minus 10 and a half. Over under is 50 and a half. So when Dan Campbell and Jared Goff started in Detroit, remember they went three and 13 the first year. The second year they started one in six and then everything started to get better and they, you know, they finished that season strong. Then they won a ton. They won 12 games and they won 15 games. I bring this up because the last time the Lions have lost back to back games is that 20, 22 year. The second year for Campbell and Goff when they started 1 and 6, they lost their fifth and sixth game. And then from that point forward they are 40 and 13 overall and they have not lost back to back games. The lines are coming off a loss. They're going home. They're going against the Giants, who are the first team that can officially be eliminated from the playoffs this weekend. And I think the Lions are going to have their way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think the Giants will be eliminated from the playoffs this weekend. Yeah, I think that's, that's probably what's going to happen. It was, it was a bad scene in Philly for Detroit. But they're going to be back home. They're going to be under the dome. It's going to be controlled environment, controlled weather. I feel like this is going to be Jameer Gibbs. This is going to be the Jameer Gibbs game. Maybe the Jameer Gibbs game to end all Jameer Gibbs games.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

The Giants rushing defense is very, very poopy. Super poop. And Jameer Gibbs is ready to go off. And I feel like this is, this is going to be. If you're a Jameer Gibbs owner in fantasy football, my advice would be start him. Yeah, I would start Jameer Gibbs.

[Big Cat]

Big time start. Big time start. And a little David Montgomery, too.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Spring Jimmy Gibbs might get tired from all the yards.

[PFT Commenter]

He might. Yeah, he might actually just get exhausted. And by the way, I know Jerry listens to the show, so he'll end up hearing this, but he knows Jerry has been the most desperate person in the group chat I've ever seen.

[Big Cat]

Where are we at Fantasy Wise?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we can check the stats right now, but one side off the top of my head is I'd say 90% of the text messages in the fantasy football group chat over the last week have been from Jerry asking people if he's seen his trade requests. He is. He's that guy putting it out to everybody. He's that guy and he is just saying non stop, please look at trades. Please turn down counter and trades trying to get a deal done. Everyone has a trade offer from me. I just sent trades out. You guys should have trades. Fellas. Trades are still out there. Accept or decline. No hard feelings. This is the last day, I believe. When is our deadline? I just sent out a trade. You just received a trade option from me. You. You have a face. Call me any or. He sent a picture of himself and said, guys, this is me. Just so you have a face to go with it. Call anytime. I'm about to grab lunch with my wife, but I will tell her that this is business if I get a trade offer. Got more trade deals out there. More trade deals than the Trump administration. Run the numbers. Trade deadline this week. Our whole team is for sale. I'm about to send out all of our trades. All caps only mutually beneficial. What is the time? What is it?

[Hank]

What are the times on these messages? Like, like, what is.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, they started Tuesday at noon and they went pretty much nonstop.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

For how long? About, I'd say 36 hours.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I love it.

[Hank]

With no one responding.

[Big Cat]

No, just wait.

[PFT Commenter]

No, they stopped this morning. At 1am run those numbers.

[Big Cat]

So got to get those trades.

[PFT Commenter]

We got to get the trades done, Jerry. It does. It does reek of desperation.

[Big Cat]

I would say so. Everything you just read was the most desperate thing I've ever heard.

[PFT Commenter]

So I don't have a whole lot of confidence in our team moving forward, but we'll see. At least we're. We're buyers at the trade deadline.

[Big Cat]

I'm. I. This is what we want Jerry to do, though. We want him to be going as hard as he's going. This is why he's our manager. We don't want him sitting idly by and letting another gear pass by where he's got a hole in his driveway. And we have to maybe dangle Adam Schefter in his face again. I don't want to do that. So. I want to win. I want to. I want to raise a banner.

[PFT Commenter]

I do have an update on the standings in the league this year.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

We're in second place.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so. And we're this desperate.

[PFT Commenter]

We're this desperate. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's like the. The Eagles.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's Howie. Jerry is our Jerry.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[PFT Commenter]

We're 74 0. It looks like we have the third highest total of points scored this season. So it's not a Mickey Mouse 740. I'd like to see what happened to those losses, what we learned from that. But, yeah, we're. We're in prime position right now to go in a little run.

[Big Cat]

I love it. I love it. Okay, so we all agree. Lions are gonna. This is gonna be. I hope we get Jamis. I don't think we are. I think Jackson Dart might be back.

[PFT Commenter]

He might be back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I would like to see James, though. Okay. Next game, Vikings at Packers. Packers minus six and a half over Unders 41 and a half. We got some JJ McCarthy discourse going on. He said this week, coming in here, I was taught how to play quarterback a very different way. And when asked, how hard is it to rewire? He said, it's really hard. You're rewiring neurological pathways, and that's not something that happens overnight.

[Hank]

I. That's so relatable.

[Big Cat]

Why?

[Hank]

I just. I understand.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Lefty golf.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I just know that you don't want to have your quarterback saying they're having to rewire neural, neurological pathways in the middle of the season.

[PFT Commenter]

I've never been more confident in anything that. If you check his recently listened to podcast, you will. You will find the Dr. Huberman podcast. Back to. Back to. Back to back. That's how he's, he's definitely listening to that guy doing extra cold plunges, probably grounding himself at all points. This seems like nine might have, this might be the awakening of nine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Listen, I, I've seen a lot of.

[PFT Commenter]

Nine o' clock this weekend because you.

[Big Cat]

You, you see, you know, there was the, the tweet that was like, hey, Justin Jefferson was awesome with Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, Nick Mullins, Carson Wentz, Josh Dobbs, Jiren Hall, Sean. Sean Manion. I don't know if he was. Maybe I'm forgetting. Was Jaren hall more than one game? Because I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

It might have been one half of good Jaren Hall. I feel like it was one good half.

[Big Cat]

I think he might have played the packers in one game. Either way, there's a lot of freaking out right now when it comes to J.J. mcCarthy in Minnesota. I think I'm going to buy stock now. I think both teams buy the dip.

[PFT Commenter]

Both these teams are freaking out right now. Yeah. Both fan bases are like, what do we have? What is it that we're working with? The packers are freaking out because they had all the expectations in the world. And it seems like the, the discourse that we've been having around the Eagles is the discourse we should be having around the packers in terms of like the questioning the team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because packers fans are not happy with the offense. I don't know how they can be. And Vikings fans are like, I don't. We, it's like second to second whether or not we have a quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I saw some of the throws that JJ had last. Excuse me, that nine had last week. And there were a few that were just like, I, I don't know if this is fixable. I can put it. Then again, I did not, I did not take into account rewiring his neurological pathways.

[Big Cat]

I just looked it up. The Jaren hall game. Justin Jefferson had five catches for 59 yards. So I don't know if we had Jaren hall to like.

[PFT Commenter]

I just remember being surprised that Jiren hall looked competent for a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And we, we put that in, in Koc's resume.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What do you say, Hank?

[Hank]

J.J. mcCarthy, week one, played like absolute dog. But then he had the fourth quarter comeback. Everyone was kind of praising, singing his praises. He had a fourth quarter comeback on Sunday. If they win that game, what does the discourse look like?

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I would have loved to see.

[Big Cat]

Not because it would have been winner.

[PFT Commenter]

It would have been a winner. He would have been a winner. He's a winner. He wins football games, the intangibles.

[Hank]

So I do feel like it's a little bit over. They're like over freaking out.

[Big Cat]

Wait, hold on. Are you saying that we react like knee jerk reactions on win just based.

[Hank]

On wins and losses, but it's like sky is falling. There's obviously knee jerk reactions.

[Big Cat]

I know, I'm agreeing with you. This is exactly how everything over.

[Hank]

I would say it's an over quarterback over exaggeration.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like, yeah, if he had won that game, then yeah, I would really enjoy the discourse surrounding JJ McCarthy this week. It would have been incredible. But the fact that he lost. I don't know, rookie, but it sounds like you're also taking the. The side of the. Think about it. He actually kind of did win that game last week. We should be talking about him as a winner.

[Hank]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

Which I, which I'm okay with.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the, the. The problem that J.J. mcCarthy has is he stepped into a situation where it was again a 14 win team last year and Koc has been dubbed the QB whisperer. So that's where he gets hurt. I actually saw someone, a Vikings fan, pointed out that what the Vikings really should do is cut JJ McCarthy so he's a bust and then sign him back so he's a reclamation project. Then he'll be good.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a genius take, I think. Was that Skull? Who is that Skull? Chris?

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[PFT Commenter]

Skull something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Anyways, yeah, it's a great point.

[Big Cat]

I'll try to find it.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that they should actually. They should heavily consider that I think.

[Big Cat]

The packers are going to win this game. I think the packers defense is what's going to carry. The packers have a very tough schedule down the stretch, so this is a must win for them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Matt Lafleur right now is. He's also not happy with the state of the packers fan base.

[Big Cat]

It was skull Cole at Skol. Smith cut JJ McCarthy officially declaring him a bus. Sign McCarthy former draft bus and have Koc fix him.

[PFT Commenter]

Smart.

[Big Cat]

We also had JJ McCarthy's I think high school quarterback released a letter because he called Chris Carter a clown or a dumbass. And then he released an apology letter. That's just too much.

[PFT Commenter]

His high school quarterback coach. Oh, his quarterback coach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, his high school coach. He called him a fucking clown and he released. Look, he released a full letter.

[PFT Commenter]

I respect that. Got to stand up.

[Big Cat]

I want to offer my sincere apology for my recent remark directed toward Mr. Carter in which I referred to him As a fucking clown. In response to his comments about the Vikings quarterback play. While I will always stand up for someone I love like my own son, my choice of words was completely unacceptable. You didn't need to release something here, buddy.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he apologizing for the fucking part or the clown part?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. But it was. I don't think anyone cared.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I didn't hear about it until just now, but yeah. Matt LaFleur is not happy with the state of the packers fan base.

[Big Cat]

He's a QB trainer. He was J.J. mcCarthy's QB trainer.

[PFT Commenter]

He put them on notice this week.

[Big Cat]

What do you say?

[PFT Commenter]

He said, hopefully our fans will show up in droves and not sell their tickets to the Vikings fans. We've seen that happen before.

[Big Cat]

I like this.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's kind of sort of blaming the fan. Listen, everybody's got a piece of the blame, pie fans included, going in this weekend. But he's. This is. This is a guy that's starting to feel the pressure when he's starting to lash out at. At the packers faithful. At his own owners. Actually. Like, he's actually mad at his bosses.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's blaming his bosses for this.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is not a great trait to have. I agree. I think that the packers are going to win. There's also a major storyline developing between the rivalry between these two fan bases.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Going to this weekend. Do you remember last year what they did before the game in Minnesota?

[Big Cat]

I do not.

[PFT Commenter]

There was a giant tug of war that took place on the bridge that goes over the river that forms the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin.

[Big Cat]

I like this.

[PFT Commenter]

The two states all about reciprocity. We know that they did a giant tug of war and it was on. Yeah. The St. Saint Croix River.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Is when they did it at St. Croix, Wisconsin's place.

[PFT Commenter]

I've.

[Big Cat]

I've actually been many times. Really fun city.

[PFT Commenter]

So there's a historic bridge that spans this river. There was 150 versus 150 tug of war match that happened. They raised money for first responders that service that entire area. So it sounds like a good charity. The packers won last year. They're trying to run it back. But the bridge, I think it's the Stillwater Bridge.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

The bridge denied them. The bridge said, no, I'm not open for business. I believe the quote from the bridge was, we're in the transportation space, not the party planning. Oh, so you can take your Mickey Mouse tug of war elsewhere.

[Big Cat]

We care about it. We got a job to do. That bridge just said we Got a job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's like, okay, this is enough we gave you last year, but I got things to do on a Sunday. So they. They had to find a new bridge. So they found a new bridge, but it's no longer a neutral site. Game.

[Big Cat]

Now it's in Wisconsin.

[PFT Commenter]

Now it's. It's in Wisconsin.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

It's near Pier 500.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

They're still going to do it, and it's going to be about the same, like 150 to 100.

[Big Cat]

But it doesn't have the same.

[PFT Commenter]

But it doesn't have the same. It feels like it's. It's a home game for Wisconsin at this point. Not a true neutral. Neutral site.

[Big Cat]

But.

[PFT Commenter]

But I did appreciate the owner said maybe this is the start of a compromise. Maybe we switch every other year or. Whoever wins gets to host next year. Because that's how it worked out this year. Packers fans won last year. So Hudson is hosting this year.

[Big Cat]

But should be about the game, though, because I think the Vikings won both games last year.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Whoever wins the football game, that should.

[Big Cat]

Be who gets to host it.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. Should get to host the next year's. And I. I don't know how they decide. I guess that'd be a perfect way to decide which game they do it on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because the teams obviously play each other twice. But I've got all eyes on the tug of war.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I'm. I'm leaning towards Green Bay in that one as well, given the home environment.

[Big Cat]

Shadow Turtle Lake Casino in Sincroy, Wisconsin. Lost a lot of money there.

[PFT Commenter]

Great place.

[Big Cat]

It's a great. It's a. It's the type of place that you can go with some friends and go to a bar that probably is also a bowling alley, drink for like, four hours, and then they eat some cheese curds and then they give you your tab, and it's like, that will be $22, sir. It's like, what do you mean? I drank 40 beers. That's the kind of place there must.

[PFT Commenter]

Be some sort of error.

[Big Cat]

I. I bowled 10 games of bowling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Ate three pounds of cheese curds and had 40 beers. How is this only $22?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's a great. Like, if you can take a vacation there from New York City, you're going to love every set. You're just going to walk around saying the entire time, like, can you believe these prices?

[Big Cat]

Great dive bars there. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Also, The packers are 3 and 7 against the spread.

[Big Cat]

Ooh. Yeah. This is the worst, I think, since like, 2000 it's the Packers, 1997.

[Hank]

What.

[PFT Commenter]

Was that?

[Max]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

The Packers, 1997.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

Oh my. They're. Sorry, the stat.

[Max]

I think Hank's controller just turned off.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah, no, I was answering your question. Green Bay's 0 and 6 against the spread this season is a four point favorite or more.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, okay.

[Big Cat]

We said 3 and 7 against the spread. Overall.

[PFT Commenter]

I was.

[Hank]

I had the wrong stat, but yeah, that's.

[Big Cat]

No, I like that. That's the Packers, 1997.

[Hank]

Wait, so the first 0 and 6 team against the spreader. Worse in this spot through 11 weeks since 1997, the Packers.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, that's actually a useful stat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't know that they were that bad as heavy favorites. I just knew they were three and seven against. That's the stats behind the stats.

[Hank]

Apologies.

[PFT Commenter]

You went deeper on my stats.

[Big Cat]

Do not apologize. That was a funny moment.

[PFT Commenter]

You cucked my stat, but I kind of enjoyed sitting in the corner and watching.

[Big Cat]

I enjoyed the hell out of it.

[Memes]

It.

[Big Cat]

Anytime you talk feel good, I want you more involved. What's that? What's that face?

[Hank]

It's debatable.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean it's debatable?

[Hank]

All.

[Big Cat]

Let's debate.

[Hank]

I. I could show many examples of.

[Big Cat]

Me talking and you getting very upset sometimes you. You do say things that bother me. But other than that, I like you talking.

[Max]

That's your role though. Your role is to bother.

[Big Cat]

What would Gaz.

[Hank]

Yeah, me and Gas just exist. We're here to exist.

[Big Cat]

No, but wait. Gaz. A couple co host. You're a co host?

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out to Gaz.

[Kyle Long]

He's.

[Hank]

He's now a co host of Unname show. Did a great job today.

[PFT Commenter]

Great job.

[Big Cat]

Okay, just co host.

[Hank]

Co host. Co hosting.

[Big Cat]

Hank, I don't want you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want you to ever change a thing. Ever.

[Big Cat]

Okay?

[PFT Commenter]

Except maybe start playing golf left handed.

[Big Cat]

Seahawks, titans. Titans are 13 and a half point underdogs. Overrunners 40 and a half. The Seattle Seahawks have won six straight games at the 1pm Eastern window. Or like non. You know, I mean mid. I think Central time and Eastern standard time. This means nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, it kind of goes along with the stat of how good they've become on the road. Yeah, the Seahawks, it's. It's, you know, kind of puzzling that they haven't been as great at home, but they're dominant on the road, which is kind of crazy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So I. This game is a bummer. I don't really. I don't really want to.

[PFT Commenter]

Really seems a bummer. The Seahawks are the best team in the NFL against the spread.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This season they are 8 and 2 against Las Vegas.

[Big Cat]

And the Titans are city, not the team. Think about this. The Titans are playing a team at home. They're 13 point underdogs. The team they're playing had a quarterback throw four interceptions a week before. Obviously there's more to it because the Seahawks are very good, but still. This is a bummer. I don't really want to.

[Hank]

I'm.

[Big Cat]

I'm not. I'm opting out of all Titans talk. Seahawks are good.

[PFT Commenter]

I am too. I, I do have one thing that I saw about Cam Ward. Okay, so if you're looking, if you're a Titans fan and you're thinking about Cam Ward and you're, you're hoping that he's good, but you're not quite sure what's going on or what you're even looking at when you watch a Titans game. Cam Ward has played against the toughest defenses of any quarterback ever drafted first overall.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow.

[PFT Commenter]

So based on like EPA and all that stuff, he's had the toughest go on it. So even when he just drops the ball, you can be like, that's really tough defense. No other rookie quarterback that was drafted first overall had to play against these kinds of defenses ever.

[Big Cat]

He's going through a gauntlet.

[PFT Commenter]

He's going through a gauntlet. So you can, you can tell yourself that and be maybe a little bit less sad if something goes wrong this weekend. Also, this is maybe a revenge game. In the 1987 AFC playoffs, it was the Oilers against the Seahawks.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Before the Seahawks switch and went to the nfc. So these two teams don't like each other.

[Big Cat]

They hate each other.

[PFT Commenter]

A little revenge for the Birds this weekend, perhaps?

[Big Cat]

They hate each other. Okay, big game. Colts 3 1/2 point underdogs at the Kansas City chiefs over under 50 and a half. This is a massive, massive game. The Chiefs are on the brink. If the Chiefs lose this game, it. What, what's that face?

[PFT Commenter]

Come on.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying if they lose this game, they, if they lose this, they have to win six out of their last seven.

[PFT Commenter]

Realistically, what they're looking at, we're. We're in phase talk or ERA talk. Yeah. This might be the end of the Chief's second era. Well, it could be the ERAS era. Yeah, I think this, this might be the end of the ERAS era for the Chiefs because if this season goes the way it's looking like it's going to go, they have to make some Major changes. And. And add like, I'd say the first era was probably the Tyreek Hill era. Yeah. For the Chiefs. What. What's that look?

[Hank]

This is their first era.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They're all in the same era.

[PFT Commenter]

I know because I would, I would say post Tyreek, the team's been different.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But it's still. I mean, that's Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelsey. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, well, Chris Jones.

[Hank]

Chris Jones.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Big Cat]

That's it.

[PFT Commenter]

This could be the end of the eras era, which is their first era, and they'll have to reimagine. My point is they'll have to reimagine a lot of stuff.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

This off season, if this one game goes poorly.

[Big Cat]

Did you see our colleague Jerry Thornton getting. He was throwing out some. Some good bait on online. Did you see it?

[Kyle Long]

No. He.

[Big Cat]

After he posted a clip of the Broncos hitting the game winning field goal and he was like, say, like say goodbye to the fraud dynasty that never existed or something. And then obviously a lot of Chiefs fans are like, it's a dynasty.

[Pete Prisco]

Which it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is.

[Big Cat]

You can't say it's not. Three, three soup going to the Super Bowl. What, five times? Yeah, no, three, four times.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, they won three out of the four. They lost to the. No, they lost to the Eagles and they lost to the box.

[Big Cat]

Yes. They went to five Super Bowls in what, six years?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they won three of them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that counts. That's.

[Pete Prisco]

That's dynasty.

[PFT Commenter]

That's dynasty. Three and five years that if you win three and five, we count that as a dynasty.

[Big Cat]

Which they did. Yeah, they won. They won 19, 22, 23. Oh, yeah, that's. Yes. 3 and 5.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, 3 and 5.

[Big Cat]

And then they. I'll say. I'll say one thing. Year math me up all the time.

[Hank]

Yeah, well, the NFL's it.

[Big Cat]

Me up all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. I mean, it. It up The. The commanders when they put out their new merchandise and they crowned us like 1992 Super bowl champions on them.

[Big Cat]

I can't figure it out.

[PFT Commenter]

The 1991 season. The. The calendar should start after the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The start of. Of the American calendar should be February 15, 15. Yeah, that sounds good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, so do you agree it was a dynasty? It may be over, but you can't say it wasn't a dynasty.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The last great American dynasty.

[Big Cat]

Maybe. I guess technically you don't agree.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I do.

[Hank]

I mean, I have to. It's. It's the letter of the law.

[PFT Commenter]

They are a dynasty, but you know, you disagree with the law doing it.

[Hank]

Against your will, I have no choice but to accept it as a dynasty.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to follow the law wherever it may take you.

[Hank]

They did lose to Tom Brady during that dynasty.

[PFT Commenter]

They did on the Patriots and the Bucks. No, because I think they lost to Tom Brady on the Patriots before. Yeah, the Bucks first Super Bowl. Really got to give credit to the Bucks for, for breaking up. What could have done an all time dynasty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got some stats behind and the Birds. The Chiefs.

[Max]

Thank you, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

In one score games.

[Big Cat]

But that also was the end that already the dynasty was over then.

[Hank]

No, they're, they're gonna, I've heard on the show a million times they're gonna win the super bowl this year. So this dynasty will still continue.

[Big Cat]

I, I. Hey, have you ever made a take that you were wrong about? Like saying that the Patriots stink after they lost the Raiders?

[Hank]

No, I said they might not be there this yet. Might. Keyword. Might. I also said on the show they're going to be the best team on this podcast, which I was laughed at, mocked on, ridiculed.

[PFT Commenter]

But then you took it back, then you walked out, then you walked back.

[Big Cat]

So which one do you want credit for? So, so you laughed. You can walk back takes but no one else can.

[Hank]

I just said that might have been wrong.

[Big Cat]

But now you want the credit for not.

[Max]

There you go.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Hank]

I make bad taste.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that so hard?

[Big Cat]

Chiefs have to win this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I do have stats about the Chiefs and how they operate in end of game situations. When it comes to when it's close. Last year they were dominant in these close one score games.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Just found a way to win every single week no matter what. If you look at, there's a, a company called True Media that allows you to look at like every play in certain specific situations. So if you make the criteria that if it's within eight points. So a one score game in the final five minutes of regulation and they only count the snaps that aren't kneel downs. So real plays in one score games in the final five minutes of regulation. The Chiefs, they've only had 11 snaps under those parameters.

[Kyle Long]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

But their success rate is I believe the homes is 2 for 10 for 29 yards. One sack. They have a delay of of game penalty too. So they have a net total of 13 yards. That means they have an 18% success rate in those clutch situation plays. Yep, 18% would be the absolute lowest of any NFL team over the last eight years. The last eight years they would be the worst in those situations this year. And then if you. If you count that as among teams with at least 10 snaps in that situation, it's the worst mark of any team in the last decade, per the Athletics. So it's just. They're just not good at the end of football game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's the thing is like, if you look at all of the Chiefs numbers defensively, offensively, they. They are still a good football team. It's the end of game situations, and we said it on Monday, the most shocking thing about that game against the Broncos, and I give all the credit to the Broncos for this. When the Chiefs used to have the ball up three with four minutes left, you wouldn't get the ball back. That was just the game. It was just over. The Chiefs would just drain the clock, get the first down, and the game would be over. They can't do that right now. And I. The Colts. The Colts are getting a little healthier with their secondary, which is now going to be a strength because of obviously the trade for Sauce Gardner. But I think Char David Jardevius Ward is opened his practice window. The Colts. This is kind of a like if the Colts can end the Chiefs right here.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The Colts are now very much for real. I mean, they. I already think they're for real, but this is a big spot. I'm excited for this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I was thinking about what. What's going through the minds of the Colts players this week. And obviously the Chiefs are going to be dangerous because they're a desperate, wounded animal that's been put in a corner.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And they have to fight. But there's also a chance that they could just give up at some point.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Because they're sick of fighting. The Colts team is going to be super fired up going to this game.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because this is their chance to shut up everybody. That's like the Colts might be a fraud.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they might be. Which I do not think they're a fraud.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think so either. I think that. But I think that that's going to be an edge that they're going to use. Yeah, I. I think I like the Colts this weekend. I think that. Big game for Jonathan Taylor.

[Big Cat]

Fun fact. The Indianapolis Colts are the only team that Patrick from Homes is not beaten in the regular season.

[PFT Commenter]

That is a fun fact.

[Big Cat]

He's 0 and 2.

[Hank]

Hmm.

[Big Cat]

Also fun fact. Ready for this one, Max? Patrick Mahomes. Right now the Chiefs are on pace to not make the playoffs. They're outside looking in. That would be something that Jalen Hurst has never done. Jalen Hurst never missed the playoffs.

[Max]

Awesome stat.

[PFT Commenter]

That's an awesome station.

[Big Cat]

But also Jalen Hurts would have to win his next 10 playoff games in two Super Bowls to tie Patrick Mahomes at the same age.

[Max]

Sounds like it. Sounds like it's possible.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, would you.

[Max]

There's chances. What I was going for there. Couldn't quite get those words out of my fucking mouth.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, would you take credit for the Eagles breaking the Chief's dynasty?

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, for destroying the. The genetic makeup of that team.

[Kyle Long]

If we.

[Max]

If someone had to do it, I'm happy it's us.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, how do you feel about that? About the Eagles being your greatest ally?

[Hank]

I love that. I love that Eagles team.

[Big Cat]

You love Philly.

[Hank]

Biggest bet I ever won.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you, Big Dom.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, thank you. Shout out, Big Dom.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Dom Brady.

[Big Cat]

He's a man.

[Hank]

I mean, he wasn't on the field, but. Shout out to the Eagles.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but you know, actually he was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was. He was definitely on the field. Yeah, you're wrong about that.

[PFT Commenter]

It was on the field after the game and.

[Big Cat]

No, during the game too.

[PFT Commenter]

On the sidelines. Yeah, he stepped on the field. He's on the field.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. A little nerd thing from Sports Info Solutions. The Colts. So the Chiefs play a lot of two high zone looks. Cover four more so than cover two. And the Colts are top ten. And the Chiefs are bottom five in success rate in each of these splits. So Jonathan Taylor may be a good game. Tyler Warren, more Tyler Warren and Michael Pittman. They could be the guys that are getting. Getting a ton of targets here.

[PFT Commenter]

I think. I think this might be a Jonathan Taylor special. Ooh, might be a special.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's go to the next game. The jets at the Ravens. Ravens are minus 13 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Directs Ryan Bull.

[Big Cat]

Over under is 44 and a half. Tyra Taylor will start.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to ask Diana.

[Big Cat]

What do we think, Memes, where are we at?

[Memes]

I think. I think the jets are due to get blown out. And if Lamar plays, I think everyone should just go enjoy their Sunday. Don't watch this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. No confidence in to Rod.

[Memes]

I have some confidence. The Panthers game when they played it just. His arm is done.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's more not done than Justin Field, I guess. Justin Fields.

[Memes]

Justin Field just doesn't throw the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

He doesn't have an arm.

[Memes]

Now Justin Field is broken.

[PFT Commenter]

But I do feel like to ride gives you an offense. I guess what I'm getting. I'm not going to say that the jets are going to win the game. But I kind of like him to cover.

[Memes]

Yeah, no, Torah gives you a chance. And Lamar didn't practice yesterday because of an ankle, so.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, now, so I, I saw a cut up of all of Lamar Jackson's interceptions that he's had over the last two seasons. The Baltimore Ravens wide receivers lead the league in interceptions. It's crazy not to run. Lamar has been so good at taking care of the football. When it comes to passing, fumbling is a different story. But when it comes to passing, he just does not throw interceptions. Any interception that happens is because it bounced off his receiver's hands and then hit the tight end, the face mask and then caramed into a cornerback's arms. It's. It's pretty crazy to watch.

[Big Cat]

Thoughts?

[Memes]

Memes jets don't have an interception this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, really?

[Memes]

Yeah. Only team without interception.

[Big Cat]

I feel like you were holding that stat back from us. Yeah, I feel like you were hiding that from.

[Memes]

No, I thought, I thought everybody knew that stat.

[PFT Commenter]

Were you ashamed of that one?

[Big Cat]

A little bit.

[Memes]

A little bit.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Because they've had the ball thrown directly to them and they picked it up.

[Big Cat]

A lot of times. A lot of times. The Ravens defense we've talked about on the show, under 20 points allowed in the last five games. They have turned the corner. This is when the Ravens have to start. Like, they struggled a little bit with the Browns. That was a tough game. Divisional game on the road. This is a game they need to just dominate. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, what about. Have you thought about Aaron Glenn off a buy?

[Big Cat]

I have not thought about Aaron Glenn. He's not though.

[Memes]

They're not. They won off a buy though.

[Big Cat]

They lost the Patriots.

[PFT Commenter]

That's right. I forgot about the game against the page. Yeah, I forgot. That was a long.

[Memes]

No, they won.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, but they played. They're not off about.

[PFT Commenter]

They're not off about. I. I had forgotten about the. The Patriots game on Thursday because that was not on a Sunday, but it.

[Big Cat]

Feels like 10 years ago.

[PFT Commenter]

So. No, the answer. I have not thought about airing Glenn off the by either.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Kyle Long]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Afternoon games. Browns at Raiders. Raiders are three and a half point favorites. The over under is 36 and a half. Do you guys know the last time the Browns have won on Pacific Standard Time?

[Hank]

Oooh, Baker Mayfield 2018.

[Big Cat]

No, it was actually Brandon Weeden beating Carson Palmer in 2012. Who could forget? That's pretty crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So it has been. Almost. Has been 13, 14 years. Bad at your math since the Browns last won a Game on Pacific Standard Time.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's very tough. It could happen though.

[Big Cat]

It could happen.

[PFT Commenter]

Feels like this might be the weekend that it. That it maybe could happen.

[Big Cat]

Well, Shedor, remember the Raiders passed on Shador seven times.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Seven times in the draft the Raiders passed on Shador and they said they were going to draft him.

[PFT Commenter]

And the Browns passed on him how many times?

[Big Cat]

A lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Six.

[Big Cat]

Shitload. Yeah, everyone passed them.

[PFT Commenter]

That's probably why he doesn't seem to get along with the Browns. Yeah, you guys passed on me too.

[Big Cat]

Listen, we need, we need shadowsi to. To win this game so we get some takes off.

[PFT Commenter]

I 100 agree. I, I think that him, he has the highest upside in terms of driving people insane one way or the other. Given if he plays well or he plays poorly. Some people are gonna be mad. The Shador apologists will be out in full force if they somehow lose this game and Shador plays well. That might actually be. If we're looking for the perfect take like petri dish. I think the ingredients you would add to it would be Shador going for like 300 yards. A lot of good quarterbacks haven't thrown for that yet.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Having him go off and then have the Browns defense somehow actually not hold up their end of the bargain. And then we'll get people being like his defense has to play harder for him.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be very funny if that were to somehow occur. Occur. But yeah, it's. That's not going to happen because their defense is awesome and Miles Garrett is dominating and he has an opportunity to break the all time sack record this season.

[Big Cat]

Yes, he has been phenomenal. I did say the stat earlier in the week that the Browns since coming back as a franchise quarterbacks are making their first career starter 0 and 17.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Big Cat]

It's really bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. 42nd Brown starting quarterback since 1999.

[Big Cat]

But some positive news. Shador Sanders, his jewelry didn't get stolen, so his house was robbed during the game. Which do you think the robbers waited until he got in the game? Because that's kind of weird that he got robbed on the day that he played in the first regular season game.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's more that could be the case. They've got like a TV and they're like, okay, we've got eyes on him. We can confirm that he is in the game.

[Big Cat]

He's not near his phone.

[PFT Commenter]

He's not at his house right now. It might also just be that the only reports that we've heard about are from starters like maybe backup Guy, if they're robbing starters, they're probably robbing some backups.

[Kyle Long]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But they just. They just call the cops, and then nobody picks it up in the news because they're like, oh, this guy's QB3.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Not worthy of a click. But he did. He had a great quote from it. He said, I didn't get robbed. My house did. Ah, that's a good way to look at it.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So he's resilient.

[Big Cat]

I like that a lot. I'm gonna take the. I'm gonna probably take the Browns.

[PFT Commenter]

I am.

[Big Cat]

I don't want to watch this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I am also gonna. I. I want to watch for. For the Shador takes. I want to be. I want to be prepared. Going into Sunday night, show armed with every single snap that Shador had, all the throws that his receivers didn't. Didn't make a good enough play, on how his offensive line didn't block hard enough for him. I want to know everything that's going on.

[Big Cat]

I agree with that. All right. Jaguars, cardinals. Cardinals plus three over under 47 and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

I had a quick question for you about the Raiders.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah?

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think. Do you think at some point Pete has to get Gino off the field? I don't think he was the problem last week. He was one of the problems, but.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Does it matter?

[PFT Commenter]

Not really, but. But I think that Pete at some point has to. He's got to do something if he wants to keep the guys that are in the locker room kind of, like, on board.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't think it matters.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm just saying, like, Geno, kid. I don't think Gino can be the quarterback next year. I'm saying this season, it doesn't matter. I don't know what the Raiders are gonna do. Yeah. You know, it's just a clusterfuck.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So he could or he could not. I think they'll still be bad.

[PFT Commenter]

They'll definitely still be bad. I don't think it would make a difference, but. I don't know. I just hear it's mostly former players that talk about it when they say that there's a guy that's obviously struggling.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Then at some point, all the other guys that have contracts that they have to earn, they start to turn their back on the coach when they don't make a move to at least, like, change something. You're right. It does not matter, because I feel.

[Big Cat]

Like there's going to be a lot of Raiders that aren't Raiders after this season.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, I would agree with that. And who's his backup? Is it. Can he. Pickett.

[Big Cat]

Kenny Pickett.

[PFT Commenter]

So what's the. Yeah, what's Kenny Pickett's war over Geno at this point?

[Memes]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know that it's. That it doesn't matter.

[Big Cat]

It doesn't matter. The Cardinals and the Jaguars. The Jaguars are three point favorites. The Overrunners 47 and a half. Jonathan Gannis said on being on the hot seat, he said, not controllable for me. I didn't hire myself. I'm not going to fire myself. He could fire himself. You could, you could absolutely fire.

[PFT Commenter]

Fire yourself. Rehire yourself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Demote yourself.

[Big Cat]

This is a, this is a sneaky big game in terms of. The Jaguars are an up and down team where they're up, they're down, they're up, they win, they lose. They win, they lose. They got a. This is a team they should beat off a big win. They're in very much in the wild card race. They're in the playoffs right now. I want to see the Jaguars put it together.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, last week was pretty impressive what they did after giving up that big deal to Houston to come back and just kick the shit out of the Chargers. Yeah, that was pretty crazy. I don't think anyone saw that coming. I like Liam Cohen's advice that he's given to Trevor Lawrence. Now we're, we're in a. We're seeing a different Trevor out there now. Liam Cohen told him it's time to cut it loose.

[Big Cat]

Let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

So we've been cutting it loose for the last week. I don't know if he's cut loose this Sunday as well. I, I imagine you have to keep him cut loose if it worked last week. Right?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

But I, I like that advice. Trevor does sometimes tend to play like a little wound up a little. A little tight, tiny bit. So just cut it loose. Like. He looks like he should be a loose. The loosest guy in the NFL. Yeah, he looks like Spicoli out there.

[Big Cat]

Cut it loose.

[PFT Commenter]

Trevor, he's got to just keep it cut loose. And yeah, I like the Jaguars chances too, because I don't know what to expect from the Cardinals.

[Big Cat]

No one does.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. I, I really have no idea.

[Big Cat]

Jacoby's gonna throw it all around the yard.

[PFT Commenter]

He could.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Go off for another like 450 yards. He could throw for like 117 yards and two picks. I don't know what to expect from the, from the Arizona Cardinals.

[Big Cat]

So we talked about the Browns Raiders. We talked about the Jaguars Cardinals. The other game in this slate besides the Eagles is the Falcons and Saints. This game. I, I, the Falcons are the, are just the biggest bummer team out there. The Saints are one and a half point favorites. The over, under is 39 and a half. I'm going to probably bet the Saints because I, something about Tyler Shock and I just don't know. Like Drake London's going to be out probably. And Kirk Cousins starting Michael Pennock's hurt again. Everything is just bad. Congratulations, Hank, by the way, the Saints are going to be playing a game in Paris. I know you're pumped about that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's huge.

[Big Cat]

Are you gonna go? Someone said you should have to go to every single international game.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be. I would hate. That'd be such a awesome punishment.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Don't do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, don't, don't.

[Hank]

Please, please.

[Big Cat]

And I realize now it's probably your burner account. Do you have anything about this game? I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

Drew Brees is going to be announcing it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's, it seems a little biased. We'll probably have. And it's, it's not right that Drew Brees is not. Now that I think about it, he can announce all the other Saints games. I really won't care this week. The Falcons and the Saints.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's gonna be doing the pregame meetings.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't.

[Hank]

It's not fair.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, that's not what I'm talking. But that's a good point. That's an excellent point and we should have that conversation. I was just saying this is mean for Falcons fans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like you hate Drew Brees. The Falcons and the Saints actually like the fan bases. It's on site with either one. This is, this is kind of spitting in their face. If you're, if you're in charge of these play by play and, and analyst placements, he should not be allowed in this game. In a rivalry game. I think it's, I think it's the bad thing. It's a, it's a bad thing to do to the Falcons fan base. That's been through enough. And yeah, we got Drew Bree. Drew Brees and Kirk Cousins and Penix is out for the entire season. Partially torn acl. It's just, it's a bummer weekend for Falcons fans and I think that Raheem Morris is probably pretty heavy on the hot seat right now.

[Big Cat]

You know, it would be very fun, but The Falcons could do to have some fun. They signed Kyle Trask as a to their practice squad. Kyle Pitts had 720 receiving yards and nine touchdowns when Kyle TR was throwing to him at the University of Florida. Let's just do that. Let's just do that. Just spam Kyle Pitts.

[Memes]

Kyle.

[Big Cat]

To Kyle.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Big Cat]

Be fun. Okay. This is so. I, I, I mentioned that game first because the Eagles and the Cowboys. The Cowboys are three point underdogs, overrunners, 47 and a half. The Eagles. Now, unfortunately, we are at a point where they have to put on a entertaining game for us in the afternoon because the other games are not very good. And I do not feel confident in that. And Max is like, I don't give a. How about you give a about our entertainment? Okay. How about you give a about the fans?

[Max]

Sorry, don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't care? You don't care how the Eagles look?

[Max]

I don't care about your entertainment. I care about winning football.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you got that? Completely.

[Big Cat]

Just do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Have a good game.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think this might be an entertaining game.

[Max]

I think it will be too. I think, I think that, I think this is an over game.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I kind of agree with you, actually. No, I don't, I disagree with you, but I think it's gonna be more entertaining than what we've seen from the Eagles.

[Big Cat]

Are you nervous about this game, Max?

[Max]

Of course.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I think the Cowboys are live in this game for sure.

[Max]

I mean, it's hard, it's hard to sweep the Cowboys. Cowboys every. I mean, we don't do it like, we don't do it. It's tough.

[PFT Commenter]

And I, I think that the Cowboys defense. Year, the Cowboys defense was so bad to start the season. They were just.

[Max]

Quinn Williams changed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he changed. It also overshone coming back. Yeah, that's, that's a big deal. So he's an awesome player.

[Max]

Cowboys are a good team.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that their defense might end up being like clo closeish to average at the end of the season if everybody stays healthy. Yeah, I don't think that they're a bottom three, bottom five team anymore.

[Max]

Their offense is awesome.

[Big Cat]

And, and Dak at home against the NFC east, he's been very, very good. He's 21 and two straight up at home against the NFC east and he's 17 and six against the spread. That's pretty good. He defends, he defends Dallas against the NFC East.

[PFT Commenter]

How do we feel about the Kelly Greens on the road, Max?

[Big Cat]

Is that what you're doing?

[Max]

I like Kelly greens in all situations.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I think this is the first time since they brought the Kelly greens back that they're doing it outside of Philly.

[Max]

No problem with it. Zero problem. It could fix the offense. The Kelly greens could fix the offense. There's no. There's no reason to think that it won't.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Right now what we're doing is a no bad ideas meeting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

No bad ideas.

[Max]

That's a good idea.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Max]

Kelly Green. Always good idea.

[Big Cat]

Always a good idea.

[PFT Commenter]

What can fix the offense. Yeah. What about the Kelly greens? Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. No bad ideas.

[Max]

No, you're saying no bad ideas. Like you're. You're inferring that it's a bad idea. It's a great.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not inferring anything.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying if someone says, we're having.

[PFT Commenter]

No bad idea, I just said it was not a bad idea.

[Max]

Nobody. You should be like, great idea, Great idea. Like, you bring that to the meeting and it's like Kelly Green's fix the offense. You're like, wow, great idea.

[PFT Commenter]

We're not having a great idea.

[Big Cat]

We're having an only great ideas meeting.

[Max]

Okay, that's a great idea.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so say only great ideas.

[Pete Prisco]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Only great ideas meeting starting right now. Pitch me what you've got. Max Greens. That's a great idea.

[Max]

And then Tanner McKee, probably every other great idea.

[PFT Commenter]

Cut. A.J. brown.

[Big Cat]

This is the only great ideas meeting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Bad idea.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, that. No, that's a different meaning.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we didn't know. You said you wanted an only good.

[Max]

Ideas meeting, but then you have to come with good ideas.

[PFT Commenter]

Max doesn't understand these disrespectful.

[Big Cat]

Have you thought about Taylor McKee at all this year? No.

[PFT Commenter]

Not even for us?

[Big Cat]

Pug has.

[Max]

I know.

[PFT Commenter]

Pug loves Pug has.

[Big Cat]

Definitely thought of that.

[Max]

I think if. I think if someone offered a first round pick for Tanner McKee, Pog would. Pug would say no. I actually. I actually know that he would say no.

[PFT Commenter]

What would you take for. For Jalen Hurts me. Yeah.

[Max]

That's my quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But no, I mean, everyone has a price.

[Max]

What would you take for Jane Daniels?

[PFT Commenter]

I think my price was like six first round picks. And Josh Allen.

[Max]

I'll go seven.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. But no Josh Allen. Got it.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, he's got Tanner McKee. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Every. Every man's got a price.

[Big Cat]

George Pickens, by the way, his pace this year, 17 game pace, 99 receptions, 1500 touchdowns. He's been awesome. I saw the report that the Steelers were like, we were happy he's had success, but we were so sick of his shit. We don't care. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. So they're painting this as a win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I guess so.

[PFT Commenter]

Right now they're getting, like, half the production from dk, but they're not sick of his shit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So that's a win.

[Big Cat]

I'm excited for this game. This game better deliver. And I think the Cowboys are live. I think plus three is a bet I might make.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they are. But also, congratulations to the Eagles for being the first repeat champion of the NFC east since 2004.

[Max]

I believe they can't clinch this week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, he's just.

[Big Cat]

Congratulations.

[PFT Commenter]

Congratulations.

[Max]

They can clinch next week.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You guys have won. Yeah. That's honestly one of the most impressive streaks in sports that that division has had. It is pretty crazy, but, you know, all good things have to come to an end. And the dynasty killers, the Eagles, are doing it, so. Good job, Max.

[Big Cat]

Good job, Max. Okay, last game on Sunday. Good game. Bucks at rams. Rams are minus six and a half over unders 49 and a half. What are we thinking, boys? The Bucks have the flu.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no. Yeah, like the butt flu.

[Big Cat]

No, they. Yeah, they have the flu. They've been sick. Zach, have you read this? I see.

[Zach]

I'm seeing some stuff on Twitter. Not looking good. Team sick.

[Big Cat]

Team sick.

[Zach]

And this needs to be like, a slump bus game. And now we're just. If we're down bad, then what are we doing?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

How do you. How do you get rid of the flu?

[Zach]

Not good. We got blast meds. We need to get some sanctioned meds and start blasting.

[PFT Commenter]

Them are unsanctioned.

[Zach]

Preferably sanctioned.

[PFT Commenter]

You live in Florida. You got some good unsanctioned meds.

[Zach]

They got some doctors. Probably.

[Ad Read / Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, probably leads the league in unsanctioned meds in. In the state. I. I kind of like the Rams in this guy. I like the Rams against just about any team, but when you toss in the extra flu and then I actually. I think a big difference in this game. Baker, I don't know what he's going to do for motivation. Because Sean McVeigh believed in him. Yeah, I guess. Sean McVeigh didn't resign him.

[Big Cat]

He does. His wife is pregnant with their second child.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Maybe that's motivation to play for his second child. He said he's gonna have a little on his hands because it's a boy they're expecting. Congratulations to them.

[PFT Commenter]

Congrats. But you Know what I'm saying? Like Sean McVeigh. There's absolutely no bulletin board that Baker Mayfield have about the guy that helped him get out of where he was.

[Memes]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

The, the Bucks are in their just annual slump. So in 2023 they went one in five between week six and 11, 2024, they went one and four. This year they're two and three. They'd have lose. They've had losing streaks of three plus games in each of the last two seasons. So this has happened. They just got to get out of it. And really when they got to get out of it, they got to start playing the Saints again. Yeah, yeah, I think they have the Saints twice.

[PFT Commenter]

That'll be good for him.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's always nice. We get back to some divisional games and our division historically not the best, so.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But I, I, I, I kind of like the Rams as well. The flu thing. Fifteen guys on the Bucks were apparently sick on Wednesday. Now Wednesday is pretty far from Sunday, so maybe they're going to be fine before that. But you never want to hear the flu.

[PFT Commenter]

If you had. Yeah. If you all have the flu on Wednesday, is it possible they were all faking it? Wednesday is a great day to fake being sick.

[Big Cat]

Trying to get out of it.

[PFT Commenter]

It like if I was back in school, Wednesday would be a prime candidate for. Yeah, I don't feel good. I can't go in today because then you just, you essentially just give yourself a two day school week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

At that point, by the way, they.

[Big Cat]

Did already play the Saints once. So they have the, so this is, this might be the bet on the Rams and then buy all the buck stock game because the Bucks finish with Cardinals at home, Saints at home, Falcons at home, at Panthers at Dolphins, Panthers at home. That's, that's the buy the buck stock. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't really think they're, they're getting healthier. The Bucks probably don't have a tremendous sense of urgency right now either.

[Big Cat]

No, they're, they're kind of slotted in. Hey, if we lose this game, it's going to be, I mean, I guess seating will matter obviously because of, you know, there's some very talented teams in the nfc.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But realistically I would say the Bucks are going to be okay to get in the playoffs. They just, it would be nice for them to win this game, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Not on flu week.

[Big Cat]

Not on flu week. Not on flu week. I also think Todd Bowles blitzing. Matthew Stafford's probably not going to work because Matthew Stafford's just good yeah, really good.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, Todd Bowles has had some games where he just takes the foot off the blitz button where he's just like, let's see what the defense does if I don't send an extra guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But this does feel like a game where he would be more inclined to do that.

[Big Cat]

Any other things from this game are you gonna do? We have a hungry dog. Have you decided?

[Hank]

We do this every week.

[Big Cat]

I know, and I. Every week I expect you to have something at least that likes that together.

[PFT Commenter]

That means that the Bears game is gonna be in.

[Hank]

No, that's fine. Every weekend it's like, I don't. I don't choose a hungry dog. Okay, well, do you know what you're like, every bet? I guess you do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You're very defensive right now.

[Hank]

No, I just. Every week it's like, what's a hungry dog? And I'm always like, well, I just.

[Big Cat]

Want to give the people. And this is our picks and preview. But just give us. What are you thinking? Sorry. Let me. Let me rephrase it. Hank, what teams are you looking at?

[Hank]

That's 100 in the hungry.

[Big Cat]

So then give it to us.

[Hank]

Vikings.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

I like the Browns. I like the Cowboys. The. I like the Bucks. I like the Steelers.

[Big Cat]

Okay. 3.

[Hank]

Some combination of two of those will be in it.

[PFT Commenter]

In it.

[Big Cat]

And then you're gonna.

[Hank]

I also like the Colts.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

I feel like a lot of dogs.

[Hank]

I know. That's where it's like. I don't. And then I get in my head if I.

[Big Cat]

What about Round Robin? No.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Why?

[Hank]

Because the hungry Dog. It's three underdogs.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Pete Prisco]

It's usually.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a fair question, though, because after every Thursday show, I'll go on to the barstool betting group on DraftKings, and I'll see Hank just put in a bunch of his bets during the show. So you do bet it sometimes during the show.

[Hank]

But that's not the final one. That's not the one I like.

[Big Cat]

It's not the final.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the Henry.

[Hank]

I put one in. I think I put this in on Sunday. Browns, Bucks, Vikings.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so that's not. That's not the final one.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it's nice to give the people at least.

[Hank]

I just like to check the odds. And then it's like. Well, it's already. You know. Yeah, it's grouped together. Might as well bet it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Big Cat]

Might as well just do it.

[Hank]

But. Yeah, we'll see.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's do Jerry's Fantasy minute. And then we will do our touchdown parlay and we'll do our best bets.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, in the couple hours since we talked about Jerry and his antics in the group chat, he's. He's texted the group chat twice.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he is still.

[Big Cat]

What are the updates?

[PFT Commenter]

He's just demanding to know if anybod. But he's going to take any of his, like, dozens of trades that he sent out. He said, I am taking trades down. Oh, he's doing the artificial takeaway. Oh, he goes, I'm taking trades down. But, guys, the flow of players needs to flow. You can just hit decline. Good luck in the playoffs, Everybody. To which CJ McCollum replied, I'll evaluate today. Been off the fantasy football grid because he's playing for the Washington Wizards.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then Jerry says, I believe there are nine hours left until trade deadline. Dot, dot, dot. No biggie.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He's very desperate. Jerry's very desperate.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Jerry. Here he is.

[Max]

This thumbnail looks like it.

[Big Cat]

Like, it's like, elephantable.

[Max]

Yeah, I was incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. Like a robot penis. Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's in his basement or something. Hey, what's up?

[Kyle Long]

So the music means. So the music memes.

[Pete Prisco]

I'm doing.

[Kyle Long]

I got one minute.

[Big Cat]

I gotta fix these ducks. We got relatives coming over for the holidays.

[Pete Prisco]

And I gotta fix the dry duct.

[Big Cat]

And I'm trying to save 200, but I'm gonna end up spending 600 to repair what I did. All right, we're gonna.

[Kyle Long]

We're gonna start deep cleaning.

[Big Cat]

Way to be, Max. You gotta deep clean. You gotta get in the crevasses.

[Pete Prisco]

We're gonna.

[Big Cat]

We're gonna sit Hank talking smack about Big Dom. Careful, dude. You're gonna end up with the fishes.

[Kyle Long]

We're gonna start Puna Ford and that Ramsd.

[Big Cat]

Sorry, Shane. Ever since he left the charges, he's kicking butt. We're gonna start Max losing £30 before the holidays. Do it, dude.

[Kyle Long]

Come on.

[Big Cat]

We can do this.

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[Big Cat]

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[Kyle Long]

He's back.

[Big Cat]

I did it.

[Kyle Long]

One minute. Call 1-800-UH- get somebody to fix your.

[Big Cat]

House because you're gonna end up breaking ass.

[Max]

What?

[Big Cat]

Listen, you're gonna do it, Max.

[Max]

We're. We're starting after the holidays.

[PFT Commenter]

We're.

[Big Cat]

We're. We're. And then you're gonna play.

[Kyle Long]

We're just gonna go.

[Big Cat]

You're gonna blame me for the free lunch on the free lunch.

[Hank]

I Am.

[Max]

I am so anti free lunch.

[Pete Prisco]

It's insane.

[Max]

I'm starting a movement. I might. I might get a petition going.

[Kyle Long]

Come on.

[Big Cat]

You're gonna ruin it for everyone else.

[Max]

No, it depends if enough people want it.

[PFT Commenter]

What if we just get Max? What if we do, like, a salad bar?

[Big Cat]

That'd be great. Free lunch salad. Like you want that.

[Max]

That's not what he wants, though.

[PFT Commenter]

He doesn't want salad like the Ruby Tuesday salad.

[Max]

The Ruby Tuesday salad bar. So good, but also pretty fat.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's still salad.

[Max]

But it's still salad.

[Big Cat]

It is still salad. Okay, let's do. We gotta. We gotta win our touchdown parlay. Do we get skunked?

[PFT Commenter]

Last week we might have gotten skunked.

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[Big Cat]

Okay, what are we thinking, boys? What are we thinking?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm thinking.

[Big Cat]

What are we thinking?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm thinking Q. What Quinon junkins. Okay, I like. I like going up against that Raiders defense, I thought about doing Shador at 6 to 1 because I feel like quarterbacks in that situation. He's going to really want to score if he gets around the goal line. First read is not there. He'll probably take off. I'm not going to do that. It's. I don't want to do that to the Awls. So I'll say Quintean Judkins.

[Big Cat]

All right. Put on. Put on Quintean Judkins on there.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, why are we. Oh, you're doing the wrist.

[Big Cat]

Doing the Shador.

[PFT Commenter]

Doing the watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Hank.

[Hank]

Legendary.

[Big Cat]

Thoughts.

[Hank]

Jalen hurts.

[Big Cat]

Jalen hurts.

[Hank]

The one one. I will be betting if AWS want to just take it anytime. TD is. Is the Browns defense.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I like that too. That's a separate one. What do you guys want to do in the night game? I was thinking I. I want to do Sean Tucker, but Bucky Irving might be back. Should we just go devonte Adams? Because he always scores.

[PFT Commenter]

Devonte Adams does always score.

[Big Cat]

And. And that's our last piece. Do you want to put Devonte Adams in there?

[PFT Commenter]

He always scores.

[Big Cat]

Let's just put Devonte Adams in there.

[Hank]

It's a low odds one.

[Big Cat]

No. It's 10 to 1 or no.

[Memes]

6 to 1.

[Big Cat]

6 to 1.

[Kyle Long]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Do you want to go? Do you want to Sean Tucker? All right, Put in Sean Tucker. Let's see what Sean Tucker is. Sean tucker makes it 10 to 1. Should we do it?

[PFT Commenter]

I say go with your gut.

[Big Cat]

And my gut was Sean.

[PFT Commenter]

Go with your gut.

[Big Cat]

All right. So.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Quinn, Sean. Jalen hurts. Sean Tucker. 10 to 1. Bet with us strong. Okay, best bets.

[PFT Commenter]

Time.

[Big Cat]

We have the standings. I think I went 02 last week. I think it's tight at the top. We have. I'm at 13. Max at 13, Hanks at 12. Memes at 10. Zach at 10. Pft. Nine and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta push. Yep, Gotta push.

[Big Cat]

Okay, who's up first?

[Memes]

I believe Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I'm on the clock. I didn't want to be on the clock this early. I am going to my. With my first overall selection, I am going to take the giants lions over 50.

[Memes]

50. Okay.

[Hank]

Yeah. Can't believe you didn't take this. Nuke. Nuke City, Volume 2 Kansas City Chiefs -3 and a half.

[Big Cat]

I got burned last week. I can't do it again. I'm gonna bet him, but I can't Nuke.

[Memes]

I'm going to take The Seattle Seahawks -13 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Big spread. Some spread.

[Max]

I am going to take.

[Hank]

I Will take.

[Max]

Bengals Patriots over 51.

[PFT Commenter]

Good call.

[Memes]

Good call.

[Big Cat]

Good call.

[Hank]

50 and a half right now.

[Big Cat]

Oh, cool. Oh, mine's 50 and a half as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Sorry.

[Max]

I'll take 50 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Minus 50 and a half.

[Zach]

I would like to take the Philadelphia Eagles minus three.

[PFT Commenter]

Go Birds. Big game, Max. Another big game.

[Big Cat]

Big game.

[Max]

What did you say?

[PFT Commenter]

I said game for big game, Max. I'm going to take Nuke City. Oh, Nuke World. Nuke Universe.

[Hank]

Yep. Love this.

[PFT Commenter]

The Indianapolis Colts plus three and a half. Oh, boy. That is. That's a big half point right there, Hank.

[Big Cat]

That's a huge half.

[PFT Commenter]

Three and a half. Give me the hook.

[Big Cat]

Nuke City.

[PFT Commenter]

Give me the Colts and nuke it. And then for my other pick, I might do a double Nuke. I might do fat man and little boy. Welcome to tomorrow's part of my take. I'm doing the under. The under in the Jets Ravens 44 and a half. I don't see how that game gets to, like, 35.

[Big Cat]

Nice pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What memes.

[Memes]

We'll get to it.

[Zach]

Okay, I'm going to take the over in the Vikings packers game at 41 and a half.

[Max]

Okay, Max, I'm gonna shuck some corn. Saints minus two.

[Big Cat]

I wanted that. It's two and a half, by the way.

[Max]

Minus two and a half. Fine. Like, still love it.

[Memes]

I'm going over in the jets Ravens over 44 and a half. I think this flies. Whoa.

[Big Cat]

Fly.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the Jets Ravens. You think to Rod revenge game.

[Memes]

Yeah. This will be like 44 to 21 flies.

[PFT Commenter]

Who wins?

[Memes]

Ravens.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

All right.

[Hank]

Give me over 35 and a half. That's a criminal number for an NFL football game in the Browns Raiders.

[Big Cat]

I'll take the. I'll take the Cowboys plus three. What?

[Max]

Bad guy.

[Big Cat]

Why? I think the Cowboys are going to cover the spread. Eagles can win the game.

[Max]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we will see. That's. That's why we. That's why we gamble. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. Okay, let's get to our interview with Pete Prisco and Kyle Long, and then we'll finish up with Fyre Fest.

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[Big Cat]

Okay, we now welcome on two very, very special guests. They are very good friends. We thought this would be fun to do because you can see them all the time on CBS Sports hq. It is Pete Prisco and Kyle Long. They are the new like jock and nerd that we used to have.

[Pete Prisco]

What?

[Big Cat]

You don't. What, Pete, you think you're the jock?

[Pete Prisco]

It's Jock and jock.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it's jock.

[Pete Prisco]

Okay, nerd. What are you talking about?

[Kyle Long]

He was a guard in high school, bro.

[Big Cat]

Two bald guys. All right, so we want to have you guys on talk some ball. I want to start with this. You guys work together every day. You know each other's takes. So let's start with what is the thing that you guys disagree with the most right now in the NFL?

[Kyle Long]

Pete, go ahead.

[Pete Prisco]

Probably the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's get into it.

[Pete Prisco]

Well, because you know Kyle like you is a homer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

And I'm a little more realistic because I look at the schedule and see, you know, that they really have what they played. One team with a winning record and lost to him. And so I'm a little. I'm a little apprehensive. And Kyle goes in with pom poms waving every time he talks about.

[Kyle Long]

About the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Listen, this is a. This is a fair thing to bring up. Kyle, I want to hear your thoughts. I have. I've. I've approached this season. Going into the season, I was like, I want to see Caleb get better, and I want to see Ben Johnson be the real deal. Both things have happened. I. I understand we haven't beaten anyone good, but we're winning games that we never used to win. You know, this, like, from a culture standpoint, you still talk to guys in the building like it's different. It's different whether they end up in the playoffs or not. This has been a success of a season.

[Memes]

Season.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah, it's 100% a huge difference. It's polar opposites from the last time we saw this team. I mean, just evidence in the fact that they win close games. That's like. It's almost like the. You know, from Space Jam where they took the powers from the monster or the monsters took their powers. It's like the inverse of that. Like, they found a way to be confident in big moments. And I think the first thing I looked for was the sack numbers getting cut down, and he's nearly, you know, know, more than cut it in half. Caleb Williams has so to see that him and Ben Johnson are growing and continuing to progress. And you can hear Ben Johnson this week when talking about Aaron Rodgers comparisons to Caleb Williams, he's like, pump the brakes. This kid's still got to get the ball out quicker, stuff like that. So there's still teaching going on. It's not like that ended in training camp. And I think that's really big for the Bears fans. And I think the other thing is this. I. I expected them to win, like, eight games. We're one game or one a game away from expectations. So regardless, if you got to play the Philadelphia Eagles for the next seven weeks, like, they have reached an altitude at which they can, like, do their glide path and land this plane safely and parlay it into next year, this is just extra football, free football. If you're a Bears fan for the first time in a long time since, like, 2018, you're watching and say, man, that was fun. I'm just like, I'm really happy that we're having fun here.

[Big Cat]

Yes. And. And meaningful football. Meaningful football in December has not happened in a long time. And this is A good test for this team and I've the approach I'm taking because, Pete, I know you're a big schedule guy. If the Bears. The schedule going down the stretch with these seven games. If the Bears fall on their face, then they were never going to be a playoff team because we're playing playoff teams now. Like this is what you're going to do when you get to the playoffs. I think they're going to be able to make away and make their way into the playoffs. I know the haters like you have derangement syndrome about Caleb Williams.

[Pete Prisco]

Not a hater. Not a hater. I think he's approved greatly. I'm not a hater.

[Kyle Long]

Okay.

[Pete Prisco]

I think they're moving in the right direction. I just don't think this is their year. I think they're a year away.

[Big Cat]

That's fair.

[Pete Prisco]

I love, I love where that. What Ben Johnson has done with him. I think he's gotten a lot better. Everything has slowed down. Let me ask you this. Do you guys know the new chant? Good, Better, Best? Oh, my God.

[Big Cat]

Well, the way you say it makes it sound lame.

[Kyle Long]

That's not good, Pete.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Pete Prisco]

Let me hear you say it.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean? Yeah, it's Good, better, best.

[Pete Prisco]

Well, yeah, then there's like.

[Big Cat]

I'm not. Let it rest.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Till your good gets better. Till your better gets best.

[Pete Prisco]

Look at that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're a hater.

[PFT Commenter]

What's wrong with that, Pete?

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, I, I would like to agree with you because I think, I feel like we feel, you know, we fit the same role sometimes. We're the, the little spoon in, in this equation with our, our counterparts here. I don't under. Can I hear Kyle say it before I judge it? I want to hear a football guy say it.

[Kyle Long]

What did you say? Good, better, best. Until you. Until your good gets better into your better gets best. I mean, are you kidding me, bro? So like I was a big BU guy for Matt Nagy and I use the BU mantra. I write it on my paper every Sunday before I do my show. But when, when Ben Johnson's mantra is like, let's just go kill everybody, I, I feel like I would align with that well as well. And it's, it's evidenced in those close games. Dude, the killer instinct. We want the, the ball back and if we do get it back, we are going to score. I saw that type of confidence in Kansas City and I am in no way comparing Patrick Mahomes to Caleb Williams. But the clutch factor, the belief And I hear Patrick Manoli talk about this all the time. The belief in this locker room, it's, you know, it's priceless. And it gives them an opportunity to win every single time when they have the chance.

[Big Cat]

That's. That's coming from a guy who's in a locker room. Unlike Pete.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, he played high school football. You're an offensive lineman, right?

[Big Cat]

You were a guard.

[Pete Prisco]

I also know what's corny. It's a little corny to me.

[PFT Commenter]

It wouldn't get you fired up. It takes something a little stronger than that to get Pete half ass.

[Kyle Long]

That saying you can't half ass do it. And that's why I give Ben Johnson a ton of credit. Everything this guy does is so insane that it's authentic. Like, it's not quite insane yet, but it's like next door neighbors to insanity, but the good kind of neighbor to insanity. And I feel like the guys are invigorated by that. And, you know, in order to get that stench out of the building that we've had the last handful of years, the last 40, some would argue 50, whatever it is, you need a psychopath, dude. And they've got one. And like, I enjoy watching the Bears. Every week it looks like all the guys are coached by the same person. Like when I watch the O line, for example, if you watch them the last couple of years, it's like, who are the bastards that are coaching these guys? Because they're all using different techniques. They're blocking each other half the time you watch this team, dude, they are on a mission. Like the door just dropped on the U boat and they're. And they're going out of that thing to go kick some ass. Every single play, bro. And I. I love that about this team.

[Big Cat]

I fired me up.

[PFT Commenter]

I like your take, too, that it's like the Monstars. They're the Monstars of the midway. And you could argue we've talked about this on this show where it feels like last year the Commanders took that from the Bears after the Bears game, and then this year the Bears took it from the Commanders after that game. And it's like divergent paths for each franchise. Kind of a sliding doors game. No matter. No matter who wins that one. I think that the Bears are good. I think that they're a good team. I don't think that they're going to win many playoff games, but that's fine. Yeah, that's still a great season for them. Between the two of you guys, who has had the better season Picking games, me.

[Pete Prisco]

But it, but it's been close and.

[Kyle Long]

I've been doing hot and cold for both of us.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah. And I had a couple weeks where I was just, just garbage and Kyle pulled ahead of me. But in recent weeks he's been garbage and I've hit my best bets better than he has. But he killed us, killed me last year on those. But so far it's been me and I've had a couple really good weeks and I've had some really bad weeks by the way. I mean look, it's. This week, this season is goofy, you guys know. Yeah, it's hard to the emotions. I mean how do we gauge like when Green Bay goes and beats Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers it comes home and loses to Carolina? I mean. Yeah, you know, Buffalo goes on the road, loses to Miami. It's just so tough to get a feel for this. And so our picks have kind of shown that we've had rough seasons. Although I'm above.500 right now, it makes.

[Kyle Long]

It, it makes it fun though to come in and be like I can't believe I was wrong there. Why was I wrong? How did this happen? And then you go watch the Panthers and you're like, wait, the Panthers are a good football team. We're spoiled as fans of football to get to see in actuality, you know, I'll say 32 teams that are, that can play some good football. The Titans have a lot of work to do. But like let's use the Browns for example. They punish people every single week defensively and it's just by nature of the fact that there's only four elite teams. People will never have an appreciation for like a true appreciation for a guy like Myles Garrett or the season a rookie Carson Schlesinger's had in Cleveland. Stuff like that goes unnoticed. But there's good ball being played everywhere and that's why it's, it's so hard.

[PFT Commenter]

To pick these games that that's actually a very healthy way to look at it. What did I get wrong? We do absolutely no self reflection on this show. We just get mad and we don't really know who to blame it on us. We just put it all on Hank. That's kind of our, our direction for it. So when it comes to the contest or like the season long record that you guys have, is there anything at stake? Do you guys have a bet?

[Kyle Long]

No talk. Every single week when that graphic comes up in the intro, it's either Pete laughing or me laughing. That's really what we play for.

[Pete Prisco]

One of us. What's the high Did Shame. Every. Every week. It's just so bad. You look at the best bet record, it's like, oh, my God. We this stupid. Actually, we are.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

The bottom line is we have fun. That show is so much fun to do. We laugh. The breaks. The breaks are incredible, by the way. I can tell you that. The breaks in that show, we laugh our asses off. And Chris Hassell does a great job and. And we just. We have fun with it. It's as much as anything I've done. It's the most fun we do there. And by the way, he replaced Brady Quinn, who I. I did that with Brady Quinn for a long time. And Kyle just stepped right in seamlessly and. And picked up the. Picked up the pace, and he's done a great job with it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You guys have fun. I like watching the show. I truly watch it every week. And I enjoy what you guys have going on there. I know that you've been talking a lot about the Chiefs and how broken they are. Is there a way that they can move forward, that they can fix it?

[Big Cat]

Is it.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it fixable this season?

[Pete Prisco]

Well, Mr. Michael Jordan needs to start playing like Michael Jordan, for one. I mean, you know, Patrick Mahomes hasn't been himself, and last week that game was on him. You know, we want to talk about everybody else and we give him all the kudos all the time, but he wasn't very good last week. And so I think it's. He's got to take it upon himself to be better. And they got to get the ball down the field and you can't throw that red zone interception. And so this. They will get it going. By the way, I'm in the minority on that. I know a lot of people are ready to throw dirt on them. I think they beat the Colts this week. I think they. The schedule's favorable the rest of the way, and they'll get into the playoffs. And you know what they'll do when they get into the playoffs? Be the team that nobody wants to play because they have Patrick Mahomes. He's just in a little bit of a slump. He needs to start playing better.

[Kyle Long]

And Pete can talk about the offense, but at the end of the day. And Pete, I know you've. We've all watched the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty. What is the one unsung hero for the Kansas City Chiefs? It's Steve Spagnolo and his defense. Now, third down is widely known as the money down. And they have not been Making money on the money down for the Kansas City Chiefs. Defensively, even if you do have MJ over there on the sideline playing quarterback, you got to make some stops. And that's the one thing that wet, kind of unheralded through this whole dynasty was that defense. And the concern for me against this Indianapolis Colts team, which is a must win for the Kansas City Chiefs, is you got to be able to put yourself in a good position on third down defensively, because when you're going against Jonathan Taylor on first and second down, and then you've got a guy like Warren and the number of guys on the outside that can make plays in short areas, it's going to be tough sledding. So the Chiefs have to dominate first down against the Colts.

[Big Cat]

I got a question for. I'll start with you, Kyle, and then I want to hear what you have to say. Pete, are you enjoying watching the Philadelphia Eagles play football?

[Kyle Long]

You're starting with me?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kyle Long]

I understand why people don't and they want to vomit when they do, but my God, it's the best defense I've seen played in quite some time. And the heroics that have had to take place on that offensive line to fill in for guys that have come in and out and guys that are out there playing, playing hurt, it's. It's an inspiring brand of football. I would describe it as like trench warfare. We're only going to move two meters a day, but like, boy, we're going to celebrate those two meters and we're going to end up taking over your territory. And you look up amidst all these, the bitching and complaining about the Philadelphia Eagles and they're in first place. And the defense is an absolute wagon. And you know for a fact that Jalen Hurts will figure something out in the playoffs. And if he does end up in the big game, he's going to play his balls off. And that's just the way that it's happened for the Eagles. Am I concerned with the, the noise coming out of the receiver room? Hell no. This is par for the course, bro. This is just what happens in the NFL. I used to take the huddle with Martellis Bennett, Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler, Matt Ford is said, buddy, we had to kick Brandon Marshall out of an inside run, period, because Jay wouldn't throw him the ball. Now let me, let me say that again. We kicked him out of a 9 on 7 running period because Brandon Marshall wanted the football. These receivers are just different. And that's what you're seeing in Philadelphia.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I like it. I like. I like that from a wide receiver.

[Pete Prisco]

That's every wide receiver. I can tell you this 100%. Back in the day when I covered Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith and Keenan, who's now a wide receiver coach, by the way, we used to joke around and say he was meaning and he was happier when he had three catches for 28 yards and they lost that. He was. I mean, when he had 10 catches for 100 yards and they lost him if he had three for 28 and they won, that's wide receivers. They all bitch and moan, but at some point, you got to tell them to shut the hell up. And the great quarterbacks do. I think Jalen hurts is getting frustrated with those guys. I really do. And Sirianni needs to tell him to shut up. Go play football. The offense right now is not good at all. The route tree is primitive. You know, people say it looks like a high school offense at times. I can understand. They don't get a lot of separation. They need to go back to the roots.

[Kyle Long]

Greg Olson's got more routes in his. In his offense with Luke Keakley than, you know, in that Pop Warner league. I can promise you that.

[Big Cat]

You know what?

[Pete Prisco]

You're not wrong. And they need to go back to their roots. And what are the roots? Turn and hand the ball off to that guy who carried you to the super bowl last year, and then you can throw off of that. I think they've got away from who they are. And Kyle mentioned that some of that has to do with the offensive line injuries. And now Lane Johnson isn't there, but Barkley has to carry that team. It can't be the. The other guys doing it. It has to be him.

[PFT Commenter]

So at some point, if Jalen's not the guy that's yelling at A.J. brown and being like, shut the hell up. Because it seems unless there's something that hasn't been reported, it seems like that kind of went above Jalen's pay grade to the point where the owner stepped in and the owner was like, hey, you got to chill out a little bit. Like, if. If that's coming from the owner and Jalen hasn't done that yet, I could. I could see the team being like, hey, dude, what. What are you doing?

[Big Cat]

Why.

[PFT Commenter]

Why aren't you. Why aren't you stopping this? Why are you, like, calling the principal?

[Kyle Long]

You got all the quotes, but none of the confrontational leadership. I mean, that's the hard part about being in the National Football League is you're it's grown men dealing with other grown men. And. And then you take into it the account, like, you know that these receivers are going to be a certain type of way. So as a quarterback, this has to be an expectation. You got to put out fires. Dude, it's like being a parent, right? Like, no, you can't fucking have that dress. Your sister is wearing that dress right now. Like, it doesn't make sense for you to freak out over this. Quarterbacks have to be good at that. And you either are or you aren't. And it's a personality thing. And I think Jalen is. I think he's a great leader. I think watching him play football is, like, inspiring. But some guys aren't cut out to deal with the diva personalities.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. I'm just thinking right now, my. My middle child is A.J.

[Memes]

Brown.

[Big Cat]

Right now, the way she's been acting around my house, she is A.J.

[PFT Commenter]

Brown.

[Big Cat]

And I'm. I'm not dealing with it.

[Pete Prisco]

Well.

[Big Cat]

She's about to go, and you got.

[Kyle Long]

To bring the owner downstairs.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I had to carry her into school today because she's like, I don't want to. I'm not. I'm just not going to school. I was like, well, this is a problem. Yeah.

[Kyle Long]

I had to stuff Frankie, my almost four year old, into the car seat about an hour ago on the way to gymnastics because she wasn't ready to wake up from her nap. But you understand, it's like I'm. I'm suited for.

[Max]

For.

[Kyle Long]

For a little wrestling.

[Pete Prisco]

So back in the day, you would have got a swat the back of the head. You know, you can't do that.

[Big Cat]

We don't do that. You're right, Pete. You're right. All right, so I got a question about the afc. I was wrong about the game on Sunday. I thought the Chiefs were going to beat the Broncos. The Broncos impressed the hell out of me. Their defense, we know, is elite. I thought Bo Nix was great, too, because I've. Watching Bo Nix, there's just quarters that go by where you're frustrated and you're like, what is going on? But then he makes big plays. He made some big plays in that game. Are we trusting Bo Nix, Pete?

[Pete Prisco]

Not yet.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Kyle Long]

Why?

[Pete Prisco]

Because, look, there are, like you said, there are three quarters where most of the games where he does nothing, and then all of a sudden he comes alive and it's just inconsistent. Okay, I'm going to give you said, the big play. The big play that he threw down the field to Franklin late in the game was That a good throw or a good adjustment by Franklin? And I asked that because somebody told me. They said, oh, I think he threw it away from the defensive back. I don't think so. I think it was just a bad throw and Franklin made a play on the ball. So there are things wrong with his game that I sit there and I say, I don't know if I believe in him yet. We all believe in the defense and certain is not even there. I mean, how good are they going to be? And that'll travel if they have to travel in the playoffs. But is the offense good enough? Do they run it well enough? Do they throw it well enough? I just as great a coach as Peyton is calling plays, at some point, that kid's got to be able to make plays in the pocket. You can't boot everything. And we sit and watch the games on Sunday and go, which way? Is he going left or right? Is he going left or is he going right? And so I think that's my concern with him.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Kyle, are you believer in the Broncos?

[Kyle Long]

I'm a believer in the formula that they have and the recipe for success, which is dominate the line of scrimmage defensively, have a stable of running backs that you can lean on, have a couple quarterback that can cut the field in half. To Pete's point. It can be to a detriment sometimes when that becomes what you lean into all the time. But as a guy who I rush the passer a little bit, I would hate to chase a guy around like Bo Nix because he can throw it, he can run at altitude. You get worn out up there chasing him around. But I have faith in the Broncos team. I just sometimes have to remove myself and go to 20,000ft and say, this is a second year quarterback. So like he's, he's been okay and he's going to get better. And Sean Payton, like the most confident man in football, is the voice in his ear. I think that's worth something in my opinion.

[Pete Prisco]

And by the way, we asked this question the other day when we were sitting around and so I'm curious to see what you guys say. If the Ravens have to go to Denver and the Chiefs have to go to New England. Right now, New England and Denver are the two best teams in the AFC record wise, who would you pick?

[PFT Commenter]

The Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

And I would take. I would take. In that scenario, I'd probably take the Ravens. Wait, Ravens are going to Denver?

[PFT Commenter]

I would take the. I would take the Broncos and I would take the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if I'd take the Chiefs. Right.

[Kyle Long]

The scientist in me says that the oxygenation, or lack thereof in Lamar's hamstring would lead me to pick the Denver Broncos at altitude.

[Big Cat]

That's a great call. So. All right. So. So Pete, we asked Booger this when he was on, on Wednesday. If I gave you to say, hey, go to the super bowl, the Broncos, the Patriots, the Colts on one side, or the Bills, the Chiefs and the Ravens on the other, you're going to take the Bills, Chiefs and Ravens.

[Pete Prisco]

Absolutely. 100%.

[Big Cat]

He took the other side.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah. Well, look, here's what I think about the Ravens, and I've said this many a time, and Kyle's Herbie say this. I think the Ravens are victims of what happened to them in recent years. And by that I mean they were so good the regular season and put everything into the regular season and Lamar won MVPs and they got to the playoffs and they stuck. Well, now they've struggled through this year and they've had. They're going to have to work to get to the postseason. And once they get to the postseason, I think the Ravens, health wise, they're going to be back to get most of those guys back when they get to the postseason. They're going to be one of the most dangerous teams come playoff time. I really believe that. So I'll take the Ravens, the Bills and the Chiefs, and you can have the other three.

[Kyle Long]

To me, at the beginning of the season, I picked the Eagles to beat the Ravens in the super bowl. And I thought myself a little bit insane at the beginning of the year with all the injuries in Philly up front. I said, well, there goes their X Men superpower. And then Lamar Jackson goes down with a hamstring. We know how these hamstrings are. But then even more concerning, the defense wasn't defensing in Baltimore. And our guy Roquan, he's. He's woken up and all the guys around him seemingly, you know, the type of energizer pony that Roquan is. And when he starts making plays, the next guy next to him make plays. And it feels like they're kind of feeding off that in Baltimore and they might kind of enjoy not being the, the, the anointed regular season champions this year. They're kind of, kind of sneak up on people. But it's funny that the two favorites, the Eagles and the Ravens, in my opinion, they have questions about him every single week and different questions, but like, yeah, that's this league, bro.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, this league There's a another team in the NFC that's got some questions coming off of last week that I was. I still am really high on them, but they took a small step back last week, the Seahawks. I still feel like they're an elite team, that they're capable of doing a lot of dangerous things in the playoffs. Would you say that the Seahawks have a Sam Darnold problem, or would you say that Sam Darnold has a Rams problem, specifically?

[Pete Prisco]

I think. I think he has a Rams problem, but I also think in the back of our. All our minds, and we're going to. Nobody will admit it. I will. I say it all the time. You think Sam Darnold is going to turn into Sam Darnold at some point? I mean, yeah, aside from last week. And I didn't think it would happen last week because it's a November game, you know, I figured would happen in December or January. But he looked awful last week. And look, they threw some different looks at him and they got pressure on the interior against him, and I get it. But he looked frazzled and that can't happen. It just can't happen in the big games and it happened against them last year in the playoffs, and it just can't happen. And it's not just that team. I think anybody who's going to get pressure on him, he's going to cause some problems. And so, yeah, there's a Sam Darnold problem, at least in my mind. And he, by the way, he'd been having a great year leading the league in yards per attempt, driving the ball down the field at a time when most teams won't do it. But the big moment, everybody has a doubt about him. I don't care if you don't say that you're lying unless you're part of the Seattle Seahawks. Like Ernest Jones came out and defended him last week.

[Kyle Long]

I'm glad that you brought up Ernest Jones because I listened to Ernest Jones speak and I was like, man, I tip my cap to that guy because I've been in locker rooms before and Big Cat, you've covered these locker rooms where the quarterback is under constant fire and people are always just waiting for that shoe to drop. And I can't imagine the stress of being in Seattle being such a powerhouse of a football team. And the only thing people want to talk about is when's the magic going to run out on your quarterback? I am not panic selling on Sam Darnold. In fact, I would. I would wait for this to happen two more times. Before I said they have a Sam Darnold problem. He's been so good for the last 18 to 24 months. You can't deny that. And every quarterback, every guy in this league takes a different route to their final form. And I think what we're seeing is Sam Darnold in his relative final four, and he's a damn good quarterback. Four picks ain't gonna get it done against Matt Stafford, though. He needs to be sure to taste that and move on. Find out exactly what it was that caused him to shrink, either physically or mentally, and get it out of your system, bro, because this Seahawks team is primed to go run the. The table in the nfc. For real. They're a great team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. So other. Other guy like that Daniel Jones, are we. Are we saying he's. He's. He's new Daniel Jones, or are we saying similar Sam Darnold? Oh, you don't know when the shoes are going to drop, Pete, you're shaking your head. What do you think?

[Pete Prisco]

Usually this league, you are what you are. I say it all the time. You are what you are. You're going to have moments where you're up here if you're one of those guys and moments when you're down here and eventually you're in the middle, and that's who you are. You know, the great ones always stay. Usually stay up here. They might have a game or two down here, but Daniel Jones, in the last couple of games has turned the ball over a bunch. I mean, that's concerning. And they run the ball. We know what Taylor is right now. He's the best back in the league. And they're good on the offensive line and they have a great, you know, tight end, young tight end, but he can't turn the ball over. And you saw. He's starting to see in the last couple weeks little hints that he might be turning. You know, our guys call him Indiana Jones and he's turning back into Daniel Jones because he turned the ball over. So, yeah, I'm concerned because you are what you are. You don't usually change that.

[PFT Commenter]

Pete is the jock on the show. He. He hates every quarterback.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's like these. These pretty boys. You can't even hit them anymore. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Kyle, you believe it in the Colts?

[Kyle Long]

I think that as long as Quentin Nelson, as long as Jonathan Taylor, as long as Tyler Warren are healthy, I don't see why it wouldn't work. But I would say I have more questions about the Colts quarterback than I do about the guy In Seattle. And yeah, I mean, he's got to prove it to me more because Sam Darnold went on his mixtape tour last year. You know what I mean?

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Kyle Long]

Like, this is the Daniel Jones mixtape. And yeah, I'll be interested to see the final tracks on the. On the mixtape.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, guys, quick break from Pete Prisco and Kyle Long. Thanksgiving week is about to be here, which means three things. Football, food, and that one night we see everyone you went to high school with at the same bar reunion no one asked for, but we all somehow show up to. And if you're doing it right, you're rolling it in with Twisted Tea in hand. Twisted Tea is a refreshing, hard iced tea made with real brewed tea. No, not tea flavored. Real brewed tea with a 5% kick that sneaks up on you like the Cowboys losing on Thanksgiving. That's why I love about it. Full flavor, super smooth, no carbonation. You can sip it all day through the early games, the late games, the post meal, nap games. Twisted T is the MVP of Thanksgiving week. It's the perfect for friendsgiving Thanksgiving Eve, or even when your family asks, while you're still wearing your jersey during dinner. So no matter what you're up to, stock up on Twisted Tea for whatever your Thanksgiving week holds. Also, if you're listening in Madison, Wisconsin for the Badgers versus the Illini on Saturday, if the Badgers score a touchdown, I'll be airdropping some twisted teeth State street brats. So if you're watching the game there and the Badgers score a touchdown, some twisted tease on me, all you gotta do is just be there. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna send some twisted tees and we're gonna score a touchdown. I. I'm gonna guarantee at least one touchdown in the game. And if that doesn't happen, then I'll still probably airdrop him after the game. I'll tweet about it. Okay, back to Kyle Long and Pete Briscoe.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, I got a thought starter for you guys, it's more about quarterbacks, Pete. So you have a gun to your head, and the question is, you have to pick one of these two guys to go out and win you one football game. Go one for one in football games, and if you get it wrong, boom. Sleeping with the fishies dead. The quarterbacks are J.J. mcCarthy and Shador Sanders.

[Pete Prisco]

I think I'm dying. Whichever one I pick my papers in order, I'm done. Look, I was one of the few guys that didn't think J.J. mcCarthy would be good in the NFL. I just didn't. And for reasons that, you know, stories I heard, and he's tightly wound and the whole deal, I just. I didn't think it would work. And a lot of the things that I thought I'm seeing, you know, trying to be perfect, and he's not perfect. He can't be perfect. You got to play off script. You got to be able to do things. You can't overthink it. The pocket like he does. And so I. I think, look, in Shador Sanders, we have no idea. But if I had to pick one or I was going to die, I would probably go with JJ McCarthy and just hope like hell that there was nothing in the chamber, okay? Because I don't want to die.

[Kyle Long]

Well, if you just pick JJ McCarthy now, there's like, 35 million people coming to, like, drop, kick up Briscoe. You gotta understand that, because a lot of. Shador has a lot of fans. I'll say this. I've seen JJ McCarthy lead his team down the field. I haven't seen Shador do it in the National Football League yet. But I am anxiously awaiting his first real start this week against the Raiders. And obviously, I've kept my eye on Shador for a long time because, you know, I, too, grew up in the shadow of somebody who was a Hall of Famer and a legend, and the pressure is immense. And that's from somebody who played at the line of scrimmage. Now we're talking about a quarterback in Shador. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does because I love good ball, like the next guy, and I hope we get another quarterback that can play, because it's great for the league. It's great for me and Pete. It's great for you guys. Everybody wins.

[Big Cat]

Wait, you said something there that's interesting. So, like, obviously your dad's a Hall of Famer, and. And, you know, you and your brother played in the NFL. Did you feel the pressure of, like.

[Pete Prisco]

Or.

[Big Cat]

Or maybe people were, you know, pointing you out, being like, from the. We gotta get them.

[Kyle Long]

From the first day I put a helmet on, I had it. You know, they say when you're on a good team, you got a target on your back. Well, when you got a name that people know, you got a target on your back, too, from the minute you step onto the field. And I just remember, whether it was verbal or guys, you know, trying me, as the kids would say after the play, stuff like that, it was like, head on a swivel all the time. And it benefited me greatly at my position because, you know, you have to have a little bit of that feel like you're backed up against the wall and you got haters everywhere. When you come from a private school, like I did, you have to kind of create those. That. Those fires that a lot. That inspire a lot. A lot of other people. But Shador, I mean, he's had his bumps in the road, and he said things that he probably regrets, but everybody has. He's just under a different microscope.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is interesting. So when. When you were coming up playing ball, like in high school, what was. What was your dad like in terms of, like, how. How much praise he would give you after the game? Was it. Was it easy to earn the praise? Like he was trying to encourage you, so. Or was it like you got to earn it?

[Kyle Long]

It was definitely effort based. Effort based grading scale. And, you know, whether. Whether or not I played well or played like, you know, we were gonna go home and be a family and it was all gonna be good. But, you know, when you were out there busting ass because my younger brother was the quarterback, so when I was out there protecting him and flying around and being a demon, it was. It was fun to hear from my dad. Hey, like, that was, you know, that was some special stuff. Stuff or that was really good.

[Pete Prisco]

You didn't tell the story about when you played bad. Your dad locked you in a room and you weren't allowed to eat for a while.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah, he put me on the Harry Potter staircase. He made me eat roaches.

[PFT Commenter]

Pete, so you played offensive line too, right? How much did you weigh when you played?

[Pete Prisco]

£165.

[PFT Commenter]

As an. As a guard?

[Pete Prisco]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Were you good?

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah, really good.

[Kyle Long]

He was annoying as shit.

[Pete Prisco]

I was dirty as dirty can be. I mean, it was. It was anything and everything because the guys, you know, we played St. Thomas Aquinas, which is one of the best schools in the country, and they weren't as good back then, but we played those schools. And so I had to be. I had to be dirty and nasty and. And, yeah, I was a pig. I mean, I'll be honest about it. I was dirty. And. And you know what's amazing about that is. True story. The toughest kid I ever faced was no bigger than me, and he was like this kid from the country, and his hair was in his eyes. The whole helmet came down. And he's hitting me and hit me, and I'm hitting him and I'm hitting him, and I'm telling you, it was as dirty as it can get. And at the end of the game I saw him standing over the pile and I go, I'm getting one last one in. And I came running across the field and blasted him and sent him over the thing. And they threw me out of the game with about 15 seconds left.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I need footage of Prisco playing o line so bad. I wish there was like huddle back then so I could get my hands.

[Pete Prisco]

I wish I could see it too. We used to have to go back. We could go watch the tape.

[Big Cat]

Tape?

[Pete Prisco]

It wasn't taped then. It was film. You'd have to go in and sit in the room.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Pete, do you bench more than Kyle?

[Pete Prisco]

No, but I, I could say this though, with 100 certainty. I turned 65 on October 5th and that morning I was in the gym throwing 75 pound dumbbells up 12 times.

[Kyle Long]

How about that?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I love that.

[Kyle Long]

I felt, I felt Pete's arm when walking. I gave him one of the like I cupped his trip step walking into the studio the other day and it was like a horse, it was like a horse's leg.

[PFT Commenter]

You got the barbed wire tattoo, right, Pete?

[Pete Prisco]

What's that?

[PFT Commenter]

You have the barbed wire tattoo, right?

[Pete Prisco]

Tattoos.

[Big Cat]

You have the Urlacher, the, the Kyle. That is something like. Is that just an offensive lineman thing where because kick does that all the time in the office, where if you walk by kick, he's just going to grab you. It's like, dude, can you please not.

[Kyle Long]

I'm touchy feely. I feel like all offensive linemen get it from a coach that at one point touched them like that.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Kyle Long]

It usually happened on a recruiting visit. The easiest way to recruit these high school guys. This sounds so horrible out of context, but if you've got a 17 year old young man on your campus, the easiest way to find out about him is give him the old cup. Cup to the hamstring, cup to the tricep. In introducing yourself, you get to see if he makes eye contact, get his name, find out what his voice is like. And then you get to feel a little hamstring and tri step. That's where they do the recruiting. All the other is just fluff.

[Big Cat]

So, so you could, you could touch a guy's leg and you could tell us if he's gonna be someone.

[Kyle Long]

I could look at somebody's leg. But you know, if there's any deliberation, I gotta, I gotta get my hands.

[Pete Prisco]

On was like the guy who, you ever see the guy that walks around, he's all yoked and everything. And then you look at his legs and he's got these tiny, skinny legs. You know, he skips leg day. And he couldn't play offensive line. That's a matter of fact.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, it's like there was that clip of Harbaugh when Joe Alt got drafted, and he had his. Joe Alt and his dad go back to back and he was just like, he was just marveling at the.

[Kyle Long]

At the size, like created in a lab.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, the Chargers, I feel like, you know, they're. They're struggling right now, or at least they were against the Jaguars. Are they in. In. In deep waters without Joe Alt? Because it does feel like they're a different team. Obviously they lost for Sean Slater.

[Pete Prisco]

What.

[Big Cat]

Is there any fix for their offensive line and what they want to do.

[Kyle Long]

Or is it time and treatment and getting ready to run it out there again? Because, dude, when Slater and Alt are on the field and Justin Herbert is at quarterback, it is like unbelievable to watch the pockets this guy can stand in and just launch his rocket launcher from now. He's got to move around, get creative in the backfield. The pockets always collapsing. They had to freaking get him off the turf the other day with a ski, you know, one of those little spatulas. The guy stuck to the ground. And it's just like the concerns I have with Philadelphia without Lane. There's so many things you can do from a protection standpoint with Joe Alt on the field and then obviously with Slater on the field, too, it just becomes peeling bananas in the middle three. But I. Yeah, the Chargers without those two guys, their identity is not grabbable for them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Pete, you're out on the Chargers.

[Pete Prisco]

They're not making the playoffs. Oh, they're not. It's going to come down to that Chiefs Chargers game. And I think the Chiefs will beat them. They're seven and four. But if you look at their schedule, it's brutal. And that offensive line is horrible. Look, last week, Jacksonville went into that game, couldn't rush the passer at all. And they rushed the passer. They got after the quarterback. It's so bad, you know, you think Penning's going to fix it? Left tackle. They yanked him out of the game. He was so bad. It's a. A terrible offensive line.

[Kyle Long]

And he just got there.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah, he was awful. He was awful.

[Big Cat]

Pete, your big schedule guy, the Patriots have had a pretty easy schedule. Do you believe in them or you think it's like, hey, once they play because they have had two tests, the Bucks and the Bills, and they passed both, both those tests. So where do you, where do you think that they, you know, come into the picture for the AFC playoffs?

[Pete Prisco]

I think they're a year ahead of schedule. So whatever they get this year is gravy. I really, I thought they were going to be good next year. They're ahead of that for me at least. And so you're right.

[Kyle Long]

They.

[Pete Prisco]

But they went to Buffalo and beat the Bills and they beat Tampa. And those are two, you know, those are the games you looked at. You say prove it to me games and they proved it. So it's hard to doubt them. Now. They got the Bengals this week and then the what, the Giants next week and then they go to the buy. They're going to go, probably go to the buy on a 10 game winning streak and nobody knows if they're that good. I mean, that's the reality of it. We got to be impressed with the quarterback. They do some good things on defense. They can cover on the back end. But do you really, again, I go back to what I said. Do you really believe in that team? If Buffalo and New England played on a neutral field, who would you pick?

[Kyle Long]

Well, I watched the Buffalo Bills get beat by them in a white out.

[Pete Prisco]

That was a while ago.

[Kyle Long]

That was like week 20 for Drake May, bro. Like this.

[Pete Prisco]

Now the Bills are getting healthier on defense because look, the run defense has been awful. They haven't had guys in there who.

[Kyle Long]

Could stop the run.

[Pete Prisco]

They're getting healthier on defense. I think getting Hairston back is big for him. But again, give Frable a ton of credit. He showed the formula. Coach quarterback. If you have that, you're winning. Everything else you can supplement coach quarterback.

[Kyle Long]

And $330 million worth of acquisitions in the, in the offseason. Oh, yeah. And all of them hit, you know, like it's oftentimes we see these guys that get out. So like, like let's say after four years in Chicago, Chicago liked me, but they didn't love me. And I got to test free agency and then I get to go to New England. Well, what if I showed up and I sucked there? That's usually what happens. You're not getting what you pay for. New England got what they paid for. And I credit Mike Vraybol and his staff for really identifying those guys because they just got a bunch of tough, crazy sons of bucks. And it starts with Drake May. Dude. And the calm and the confidence that he has. There is no elixir, there is no Antidote for extreme accuracy. And his completion percentage is. Is all that I need to see. And the explosive plays, the distribution of the football. Guys like Stefon Diggs having a renaissance. The New England Patriots are for real. And. And then they're not going to fumble it. When it comes down to situational awareness, game management, clock management, because who's better than Mike Vrabel at that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And you're right about the free agency stuff. Usually when you're a free agent, you're a free agent for a reason and it doesn't work out.

[Kyle Long]

They don't let good players walk, big guy.

[Big Cat]

Right, right.

[Pete Prisco]

You know what's funny about Drake May? Drake May is like, to me, and there were some people during the draft because he worked out with him and he trained with him before the draft, is that he's like Philip Rivers. And you know, Philip Rivers. I once told Philip Rivers, I go, philip, I've talked to many a player about you, and you know what they say? They say you're the biggest asshole on the field and the nicest guy in the world. Often, you know what he said? He goes, I'll take it. And that's what Drake May is. Drake May is a shocks.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

And then he gets on the field and he's a killer. That's what he is. He's an on the field killer. But all shocks, all shucks off the.

[PFT Commenter]

Field, you know, I love, I love it. What about the Steelers? I feel like this has been, this conversation's been disrespectful to our, Our friends in Pittsburgh. Talk about the Ravens, how you trust them, how they'll get into the playoffs. It's like every game is a playoff game now for them. The Steelers are still in first place in that division. And the Steelers, they, they are kind of. They do control their own destiny, but everyone's just putting the. We're writing the Ravens in. So what. Is there anything about the Steelers that could make you believe, like, what do you need to see out of them for you to say, okay, I, I think that the Steelers are going to be just fine?

[Pete Prisco]

Well, where's Rogers in terms of his health? I mean, that, that's, that's number one and number two, he wasn't playing that well even before this injury. The last couple of weeks, he hadn't been that good. And so that's concerning to me. They've had, you know what they've been. They've been one of the most inconsistent teams out there. When you think about it, There were weeks where they were really good on offense and terrible on defense and weeks where they were really bad on offense and good on defense. And so I think at some point that catches up with you. I don't think there's a consistency there. And what was it two weeks ago? The Chargers just, just, just waylaid them. I mean, they, they didn't do anything. And Rogers looked old in that game. So I'm concerned about the Steelers. I know Tomlin does a great job. They have two games with the Ravens. Like you said, it's there for you. Go take it. It's yours if you want it.

[Kyle Long]

Now, those divisional games, particularly in the AFC North, I mean, it kind of. I feel like everybody gets nerfed in those games. And by that, I mean like the Browns. We expect the Browns to beat the Ravens when they play. You know what I'm saying? Like, that happens in the AFC North. It's like the Wild West. If I'm a Steelers fan, I'm like, I'm. I'm kind of glad that people have been disrespectfully not talking about us, because you get Aaron Rodgers and everybody on the planet wants to talk about him. And Mike Tomlin is a guy that we talk about every off season. Pete, I feel like you're right where we got him, right where we want him. And in addition to that, Aaron Rodgers is about to get the script for some perks. And if you've ever been on Tik Tok perk, Rogers is about as dangerous a human being as you can ever have, and he's going to Chicago this week. And if you know anything about Aaron Rodgers, he loves that. And so I, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Bears. And a little bit of me is like, well, you got the most expensive defense on the planet. Pittsburgh Steelers. Eventually these guys are going to show up and start playing. And to Pete's point defense and the offense, once they match up, I feel like they can beat anybody, but they can also be beat by anybody because they're inconsistency, particularly defensively.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

When it comes to, to spitgate, to. To getting spat on. Kyle, have you ever been spit on during a game?

[Kyle Long]

Little Hawk 2 action. I don't. I don't think I've been spit on during a game. I've seen it happen. And when I was growing up, it was Romanowski, I think, spit on somebody. And that was like, in my house. That was like, like, you don't do that. I remember my dad being like, you don't do that. I like Bill, but You don't do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I can imagine nobody. Yeah, you seem like a guy that would not get spit on. Yeah, they would have to deal with the repercussions, Pete.

[Big Cat]

I seem like a guy who'd spit on people.

[Pete Prisco]

No, I would never. I never spit on anybody. Even, like when I was a kid, I thought. Because that's something like a second grader does when he's backed into a corner, he starts spitting on kids.

[Big Cat]

Get out of here.

[PFT Commenter]

Dinosaur in Jurassic Park.

[Pete Prisco]

One of the most vile, disgusting things you can do. It's an insult into the degree. And. And Jalen Ramsey held back. He should have beat the daylights out of him for getting spit on it. I think it's gross. I never spit on anybody in my life. I can honestly say that. Nor would I, and nor has anybody ever spit on me. I can tell you that with 100%, sir.

[Kyle Long]

Pete told the story about one time a guy dumped a beer on his head.

[Pete Prisco]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[Pete Prisco]

Oh, that's a true story.

[PFT Commenter]

We were.

[Pete Prisco]

I was at a bar and this guy was acting up and he was enormous. He was an enormous guy.

[Big Cat]

Guy.

[Pete Prisco]

He started in with my brother, and I go, let me stand there. And all I'm doing is standing, minding my own business, you know, talking to my buddies, you know, having a good old time. And I. He looked at me, gave me an elbow, and I said, dude, I go, you're gonna back the hell off. You know, I think I might have said, I might stab him or something. Kidnapped.

[Big Cat]

And.

[Pete Prisco]

And next thing I know, about an hour later, I feel, whoosh. He dumped like a 32 ounce beer right on my head. And, like, I was like, stunned. I'm like, what's going on here? So with one. Not without even thinking, I ran back and threw the best punch I've ever thrown in my entire life. And he felt like a tree.

[Big Cat]

Let's go.

[Pete Prisco]

And next thing I know, me and my brother were like stomping them like out of a scene of Goodfellas. And they pulled. The bouncers come in and pull me out, and then this poor enormous bastard. And then they pull him out and I go, oh, we better get out of here.

[PFT Commenter]

Joe Pesci moment.

[Pete Prisco]

The amazing thing about that. And I told Kyle this, I said, if that guy squared up and just regular combat with me, he would have beat the daylights out of me. He just was that big and everything. But I got one in and he fell like a tree.

[Kyle Long]

Flashbang. That works.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

No such thing as a sucker punch. If he Pours a beer on you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

No, he should have expected it. I mean, it was like. I mean, I. I can't. Never threw a punch that good in my life, nor will I ever again. It was unbelievable.

[PFT Commenter]

But word got around to all the other big guys.

[Kyle Long]

We had a big guy meeting, actually.

[Pete Prisco]

I go in a bar, never came back again.

[PFT Commenter]

Pete's off the list. Pizza. We're not gonna mess with Pete anymore.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, boys, it's been awesome. We gotta do this again. I got one last question. Roback question. R, H, O-B, A C, K.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. So we've danced around it. Let's get it on the record. We'll do the seven teams to make the playoffs in the AFC and the nfc. Let's start. We'll start with Pete in the AFC and then move Kyle, afc. Then we'll go to the nfc. So, Pete, afc. Seven teams in the playoffs when we start them in January.

[Pete Prisco]

No order, right?

[Big Cat]

No order.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Don't do seedings. Just give me the seven teams.

[Pete Prisco]

Buffalo, New England, Baltimore, Denver, Kansas City, Indy, and Jacksonville.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Jacksonville.

[Pete Prisco]

Look at their schedule.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a joke. I've heard you talk about the Jaguar schedule before.

[Pete Prisco]

That was. That was. I. I jumped ahead of the curve a little bit on that one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, a little bit. I mean, I. I don't. I don't hate that. Take the Jaguars. I just don't trust them. Yeah. Whatever happened to you are who you are with Trevor Lawrence?

[Big Cat]

So that means he hasn't been.

[Pete Prisco]

He hasn't been great. I'll be honest with you.

[Kyle Long]

Lawrence is on his seventh mixtape.

[Pete Prisco]

Now, if they beat their Cardinals this week, then they got the. The Titans and then the Colts at home, and they never lose to him. And the jets at home. They should win three or four of those games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And so. So. So for everyone at home, that. That means the Chargers and the Steelers are out. What about you, Kyle?

[Kyle Long]

This is so crazy. And I hate doing these because it involves counting, but Patriots, just stop me when I get to seven. I got Broncos, Bills, Ravens, Colts. I guess you got to go Jack. I mean, Jags. And would the Chiefs be able to get in there? Statistically, I'm not going to. I'm not putting the Chiefs out of the playoffs. Is that seven?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's seven. So you guys have the same seven. All right, nfc. I think we'll differ because I know where Pete's Going to go. Go ahead, Pete.

[Pete Prisco]

Eagles.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

Packers, Lions, Seahawks, Rams, Bucks. That last one's tough for me. Niners.

[Big Cat]

I knew you were gonna do it. You, Kyle, I assume you have the same except Niners out, Bears in.

[Kyle Long]

Or maybe Eagles, Rams, bucks, Lions, Seahawks, Niners, Bears.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kyle Long]

I mean, look, hey, take the packers.

[Big Cat]

Out of the playoffs, Pete. You want to talk schedule? The packers got a tough schedule as well.

[Pete Prisco]

What about the Cowboys possibly sneaking in?

[Big Cat]

What about the Dolphins sneaking in?

[Pete Prisco]

No, stop with that.

[Big Cat]

You want to get crazy, Pete, The Dolphins and the Cowboys in the super.

[Kyle Long]

Bowl the shit out of the ball the last couple of weeks. They're kind of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

Cowboys beat the Eagles this week. I mean, you know, then they got the packers on Thanksgiving and they win that.

[Big Cat]

You know, they got the Chiefs. Chiefs on Thanksgiving.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think that the defense in Dallas got way better.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Pete Prisco]

Like the defense that tie could actually play to the advantage of those teams down the road.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. The Cowboys have the Eagles this week. If they win that game, they have the Chiefs at home. They then have to go to the Lions, which should be a tough. And they finished with the Vikings Chargers at home, Commanders Giants on the road. Those are four games they could win. So if they can go. If they can go what, two and one in the next three.

[Pete Prisco]

Yeah, they could.

[Big Cat]

They could end up with. With 10 wins and they might be.

[PFT Commenter]

The team that nobody wants to play.

[Kyle Long]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Because the offense is. It seems unstoppable. And then the defense might be average.

[Pete Prisco]

And if the average back they all. You get those guys back on defense, that changes the whole. And he had those guys. You had Quinn and Williams in the middle. It changes the whole way they play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, I meant average as a compliment for him. Yeah, that's a massive compliment compared to. To what they were at the start of the year.

[Kyle Long]

I just thought of what we disagree on and we'll leave on this one, but. Yeah, Pete hates that Dan Campbell goes for it all the time.

[Big Cat]

Of course he does.

[Kyle Long]

And I love that he goes for it all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Pete, it's. He is who he is. You said it yourself. Dan Campbell is who he is.

[Kyle Long]

Dance the dance that got you to the dance, buddy.

[PFT Commenter]

He want. Pete wants him to change because he's tasting a little bit of success because that's how Pete handled success is now he's a diva. But Dan Campbell is not going to change at all.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[PFT Commenter]

He's going to keep going for on fourth down and his team loves him for it. And if he doesn't go in on fourth down. Then he sees. When he looks in the mirror, he sees every coach that he hated, they're.

[Kyle Long]

Either going to have pitchforks or. Or fireworks in Detroit at the end of every season. You know who used to go because of Dan Campbell?

[Pete Prisco]

You know, he used to go for it. Brendan Stale used to go for it all the time. How'd that work out for him?

[PFT Commenter]

He changed. Brandon Sty changed.

[Pete Prisco]

Look, if he had kicked field goals the other night, would he have won the game?

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe not. It's a. It's a possibility he might have won that win. But would the. Would the Lions be as good of a team if he kicked a bunch of field goals?

[Pete Prisco]

I'm okay with aggression. I'm not okay with aggressive stupidity.

[Big Cat]

That's the. Not okay with aggression. You're a.

[Pete Prisco]

No, I'm not.

[Kyle Long]

I love.

[Pete Prisco]

I think these teams.

[PFT Commenter]

Careful.

[Pete Prisco]

I think these teams are all playing like they're all soft.

[Kyle Long]

They don't throw.

[Pete Prisco]

Throw the ball down the field anymore. Everybody's scared. All the coordinators are scared. Look at the completion percentage. Some of the greatest in the history of the league have happened the last two years because everybody's a little dinker and a dunker throwing a damn ball down the field.

[PFT Commenter]

I love it. Pete, I got one last thing here for you. This might be a little bit of gotcha journalism on my part, but in my defense, I was. I was getting my hair cut the other day, and they had the TV that was on cbs, and I forget what show it was, but behind one of the guys on there, they had an old fantasy draft board. That was the guy's background. And I got to look at your fantasy draft choices. I want to say this is probably 2019 or 2020. Your first two picks in your fantasy league were Trevor Lawrence and Travis Atn.

[Kyle Long]

Oh, no, that tracks.

[PFT Commenter]

I have it right here. I have the big board right here.

[Pete Prisco]

Let me see it.

[PFT Commenter]

Put. Pug took a picture of it. I'll text it to you. I'll text it to you right now.

[Pete Prisco]

I'm curious to see, because I don't. I don't think so.

[PFT Commenter]

2019, maybe 2020. I'm not sure. It doesn't say the year. You also had Sam Darnold.

[Pete Prisco]

That's gonna be. That's gotta be. Somebody's playing a joke on me by putting that up.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm curious to know how bad your team was that year. Well, what your record was.

[Pete Prisco]

You know what? My fantasy team's always stunk. And you know why? Because I don't like fantasy football, to be honest with you.

[Kyle Long]

You play real football, Pete, we don't mess around with that. F.

[Pete Prisco]

A guy can rush for 150 yards and not get a touchdown and somebody comes in and gets two 1 yard touchdowns, they get the same number of points. Is that the same game?

[Big Cat]

Amen.

[Hank]

Amen.

[PFT Commenter]

In my day we played man football. Kyle Long.

[Big Cat]

You wouldn't know about amen.

[PFT Commenter]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Well, boys, you guys are the best. Thank you so much, everyone. Watch them CBS hq. Thank you, guys.

[Kyle Long]

Thanks y'. All. See you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

Fest of the week. Time wrapping up the show, getting us ready for week 12. Henry, this one.

[Hank]

It's a fire turning into a fire. F I R E. Oh, no. I'm starting to get into. I'm starting to enjoy my, my reading of, of Don Quixote.

[Big Cat]

No way.

[PFT Commenter]

Tell me about it.

[Hank]

I don't. I, I finally, I think I, I actually took a picture of when it finally I realized the windmill thing because it happened like 20 page or it happened 64 pages in.

[Big Cat]

You was the first windmill.

[Hank]

Was the first like that. Windmills are the enemy, huh?

[PFT Commenter]

And that's when you start to really identify with the main character.

[Hank]

Well, that's what I was like.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, I love that you're reading this.

[Hank]

The, the. It's. I don't exactly know when it's like. Takes place like, I don't know, 1400s, Mexico, 1500s.

[PFT Commenter]

Somewhere between.

[Hank]

Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Not the same.

[PFT Commenter]

You're the one reading it 60 pages in.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's just about a guy with special needs.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Who hates windmills, who read a bunch.

[Hank]

Of books, went crazy, convinced himself he was a knight, and then goes out on this quest. But then there was a big. Like last night I was reading and I was like, I'm gonna finish this chapter. The end of the chapter. The author just stopped writing.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[Hank]

It was like he was in a battle. I thought he was about to die. It was. Honestly, I don't spoil task, but I thought he was about to die.

[PFT Commenter]

The book came out in the 1400s.

[Hank]

No, I'm saying I was gonna relate it to another show, but I don't want to do that. He's in a battle. Seems like he's, he's overmatched. He's about to die. And then it, it's like. And this is where the author stopped writing. So then I think the story becomes about another author who read an unfinished work and then sets out to find the finished works.

[PFT Commenter]

That's very relatable. He just, he was like, I'm done writing. It's too much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't know, it's basically. It reminds me of, of. It's like Trailer Park Boys. Ricky and Bubbles is the best way I could describe Don Quixote. He convinced his simple minded neighbor to be his squire and they just set off and he just gets in fights.

[PFT Commenter]

I got. I gotta be honest, Hank, this is an excellent book report so far.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm enjoying this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I've got, it's.

[Hank]

There's a lot of work, like, you know, a little bit. The, the language is kind of a lot, but it's like Game of Thrones where it's like they just speak, you know, a little bit ridiculously, but it's not, it's not bad. I was like a little. I was like, literally had a. What the. Like at the end of the chapter where I was like, wait. It was like, you know, he charged at the guy with his spear and that's where the author stopped writing.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you becoming a book guy?

[Hank]

It's peaceful. It's good, it's good. You know, a couple chapters a night. And then last night I Was like, actually, like. I kept. I read another chapter. Oh, my last chapter.

[PFT Commenter]

Bonus chapter. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Careful.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you. Are you having to, like, stop and go back and reread a page that you just. Because I do that sometimes where I'll finish the end of a page and then I'll think to myself, I actually wasn't reading. My eyes were just going down the page.

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't absorb anything that was on there.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But it's fun.

[Hank]

It's not bad.

[Big Cat]

I like it. I like that you're reading Thanksgiving.

[Hank]

It'll be good. I actually. I actually think I'll be done with it. Like, I'm going to spend Thanksgiving with, you know, in New Hampshire and won't have much to do, so I think I'll be able to bang it out.

[Big Cat]

Thousand pages.

[Hank]

I'm like 100 in.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Has it made you reconsider your windmill take?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Can you do me a favor? Can you just. After you finish this book, I would like to like. You should just make references to it all the time. Yeah, that would be awesome.

[Hank]

There's some good quotes in there.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

They also. There's an f slur. There's an f slur. Just in there. Out of context.

[PFT Commenter]

Talk about cigarettes.

[Hank]

No, talking about.

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[Hank]

I don't even know what it was talking about.

[Big Cat]

What f slur?

[PFT Commenter]

Like, these windmills are a bunch of f slurs.

[Hank]

They were burning books because he goes crazy, and they're like his. His helpers. And like, you know, people that work at his house were like, we got to burn all the books so he doesn't go crazy. And they said the first. Talk about a book, the first F word in the fire.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, it's a. Yeah. Piece of wood.

[Hank]

Yeah, It's a thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Bundle of wood.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay, good. Not really a fire fest, but I.

[Hank]

Like it turning into, like. It's like it was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's starting to be awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's really cool.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

My fire fest is. I. I lost a DM today, and I think you might understand what I mean in a second. But I was. I've been doing a lot of plane tracking because it's college football coaching search season, and I. I have people that track some of the planes for me. I dabble in it, but I've got guys that really know what they're doing, tracking the planes and give me updates. And I received one update today, which I then tried to verify with another guy to get the extended itinerary of this jet. So I took a screenshot of the private flight that was entering and departing a certain college town for a different college town. And then I wrote about a paragraph about how I want to find the different stopover locations that this jet has been on, excluding all the repositioning flights, which don't mean anything. They're like red herrings. Okay, search. And it was a very detailed request of what I was looking for. And I was writing it as I was walking. And I was also talking to, like, two different people. And then I sat down on the couch, I exited Twitter, and I went back in. I did, like, a couple other things on my phone. I went back into Twitter. The DM was not there. I hit. I attached the photo, I hit send, and it's not there. And now I'm thinking that I might have texted it to somebody. Like, the wrong number.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That has no idea what the hell I'm asking about. Yeah, I might have DM'd it to the wrong person that I had an open DM conversation with. Whatever it is, it's lost. And somebody out there got the most confusing text of all time from me demanding updates on the flight logs.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a lot of that going around.

[Big Cat]

So. So what's the solution here?

[PFT Commenter]

So I don't know. The solution is it's just out there now. I'm just. I'm dealing with the anxiety of not.

[Big Cat]

Yet knowing where this message went, where.

[PFT Commenter]

This very strange request went out into the ethereum.

[Big Cat]

That actually is very scary.

[PFT Commenter]

It is kind of scary. So if I freaked anybody out. If you're listening to me and I freaked you out, that was not meant for you, and I apologize. But at the same time, if you could get me those flight logs, I would really appreciate it if you could figure out how to do it.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Let someone find them. Now.

[PFT Commenter]

The fire fest behind the fire fest is worse than the fire fest.

[Big Cat]

Of course. It always is.

[PFT Commenter]

Because the. The real fire fest was the nature of these flight logs that I'm looking at.

[Max]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

Congratulations, Max, is all I'm gonna say.

[Max]

Whoa.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[PFT Commenter]

Max Nittany Lyons.

[Max]

It means nothing.

[Big Cat]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

There's only. There's only one reason who in the entire world that a flight would go to State College from another unnamed.

[Max]

Wait, I thought it went from State College to.

[PFT Commenter]

It is. And going back to State College.

[Big Cat]

Wait, is it your coach?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want to get into rumors.

[Big Cat]

It is.

[PFT Commenter]

There is a. There's only one reason why Call it. Anybody would take a private jet from State College to the Shenandoah Regional Airport. Back to State College. I think it could just be a visit. It might just be a visit. I think it's just a visit they might be having. They might be. You know what?

[Big Cat]

What if he's moving?

[PFT Commenter]

You know what?

[Hank]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Yes. That's the airport. The Stanton. Shenandoah. The Stanton Airport is where you would go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's just moving.

[PFT Commenter]

James Franklin is using the Penn State private jet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

To move to Blacksburg.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

They save him so much money.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You got a couple left.

[PFT Commenter]

That was probably part of the buyout.

[Big Cat]

Why not?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we're good. All right.

[Max]

Also, clean up on that. My brother was. My brother said that. Who's the real Penn State fan in my family said that. That he loves James Franklin. For what? For how he left and that I was wrong for. For even mentioning.

[Big Cat]

I like that. I like that your brother's giving you, like, hey, you up, you idiot. Yeah, no, he told me. Wrong take.

[Max]

He was like, that's. That's a bad take. You got to clean that up.

[Big Cat]

Wrong take.

[Max]

So this is me cleaning that up.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm. I'm so pumped. I'm so pumped that, of course, that's the other reason why a jet would go there. All right, now, again, I can continue to live in delusion for a little bit, but I do think that Chess.

[Big Cat]

Is going to be the next coach at Penn State.

[PFT Commenter]

Somewhere else. Yeah, somewhere else next year. But I hope that he doesn't take the job before the season's over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's all I hope.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. My firefest. I don't.

[Kyle Long]

This is good.

[Big Cat]

You're back. You're back. I don't have one. Other than. I'm just trying desperately to stave off. I feel like I'm, like five years in a row getting sick right as Thanksgiving starts. And I thought I had something on Tuesday.

[PFT Commenter]

Just a little.

[Big Cat]

You know, just a little tummy stinger for about 24 hours where I just was diarrhea everywhere, but that's fine. I'm trying to stave it off. I'm gonna just. We have a case race. Knock on wood.

[PFT Commenter]

It'll probably help.

[Big Cat]

Stay a little, sleep a little baby, get a little extra sleep. But, yeah, this has happened to me, I think, pretty much every single year where Thanksgiving week comes and I finally get a break, and then I just immediately get sick.

[PFT Commenter]

I had a little tummy stinger yesterday.

[Big Cat]

I think it's going around. Titus had a little tummy sticker.

[Kyle Long]

Too.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I chalked mine up to having a salad the other night.

[Big Cat]

That's a problem.

[PFT Commenter]

My body was like, what's going on? Where's. Where's last week for.

[Big Cat]

With tummy stinger?

[Hank]

No, it's just, like, I was just full on sick. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It was like, one day. Slept for 20 hours, hydrated, sweated it all out.

[Big Cat]

Tummy stinger. I didn't eat for a whole day. It was crazy.

[Max]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But then I ate so much. I've eaten so much since. As soon as I got my.

[Kyle Long]

I.

[Big Cat]

As soon as I. I. It cleared up, I was like, well, now I can eat everything, so it's a problem.

[Zach]

Zach, my favorite faces. We. Quick. One night, I. I had a misread at my front door the other day.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

You guys know, like, when you first wake up in the morning, you're, like, half asleep, but you're in bed awake, but you're just kind of like, head on the pillow in, like, flow state between all the way up and, like, half up. I had a knock in my dangerous place to be. I agree, because you could very well.

[Hank]

Go back to sleep, end up back.

[Zach]

All the way asleep.

[Hank]

It's happened many times.

[Zach]

I had, like, a. A kind of aggressive knock at my front door in that state, laying down either Monday or Tuesday morning. So I got up, like, shuffled my feet to the front door, looked through the peephole. It's my neighbor or, like, a woman who lives on the floor. And she looked, like, visibly, like, kind of angry. But I. I've never had, like, an interaction with her. So I read it as, like, she must have the wrong. The wrong apartment number. She has to be upset with someone else. And I just went about getting ready for the rest of my morning. But now I'm thinking I should have answered the door to see if she was upset with me, because now I feel like I kind of left it. Something up in the air that I don't know about.

[Hank]

Was the bomb alarm going off?

[PFT Commenter]

What do you mean?

[Hank]

Don't you have, like, a bomb alarm?

[Zach]

Yeah, the bomb alarm could have been going off that.

[Big Cat]

Wait, wouldn't you have known?

[Zach]

Yeah, the alarm is going off, I guess.

[Kyle Long]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So was it maybe waking her up?

[Zach]

You think she could hear that?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. It's your neighbor. It's the bomb.

[Zach]

She's on the floor. She's either right next to me or across next to me.

[Big Cat]

There is something to be said for, like, realizing at some point, as an adult, you don't have to Answer the door. I do it all the time. Like a package or someone's like, standards. Like, I'm just not. I'm just not gonna go to the door. It's kind of nice.

[Zach]

Yeah, Yeah. I just, like, for some reason just assumed she had to have the wrong apartment this early in the morning and just went. Took a shower and came to work.

[PFT Commenter]

My best guess is bomb alarm. Yeah, it sounds like bomb alarm.

[Big Cat]

So bomb alarm was going off and you were standing at the door?

[Zach]

Maybe.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Like, I feel like we might need to upgrade the bomb alarm if you don't remember when the bomb was going.

[Zach]

That weird state of half up, half not up. Yeah, but now I keep thinking, like, what if, like, now I don't like the idea of like, I could have addressed a situation that I just decided to.

[Max]

How long the bomb alarm have been going off?

[Zach]

Oh, I mean, I guess in theory it could go for a while.

[Max]

So in theory it could have been going for like five minutes.

[Zach]

But it has the snooze up top. So you snooze it. Like, you go. Like, if the bomb goes off and it bombs too early, you just hit the little top button and then it'll turn the vibrator and the noise off and then think you get like five minutes to rebomb.

[Big Cat]

You're rebombing.

[Max]

So how many times do you think you snoozed it that morning?

[Zach]

Usually it's like two or three snoozes. But there's no way she could be upset about the rebomb. It only goes for like.

[Big Cat]

Oh, she might be upset about the rebound.

[Hank]

What time was it at?

[Zach]

Like between 8 and 8:30 is when the first couple alarms go.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not bad. But if it goes off three times.

[Max]

The thing that I'm thinking of, maybe she. She. Like, what was she. Was she. Was she in, like, work from home clothes?

[Zach]

Oh, I don't have that much.

[Max]

Like, she could have been on a work call or something and. And the bot. And the bomb alarm keeps going off. Yeah, I could see how that if.

[PFT Commenter]

It goes off a third time, then you're like, I gotta go.

[Max]

I gotta. Like, I'm on an important. I'm on an important call right now and I just keep hearing bombs.

[PFT Commenter]

Or if she has like a sleeping baby. Also apartment.

[Memes]

Also, like, the bombs could have been a porno situation.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Have my hair heard your bomb.

[Memes]

Let me suck your.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the world's ending. Yeah, I want to find someone. I want to get me a zach.

[Memes]

You got to open that door.

[PFT Commenter]

I heard that vibrator going, big boy.

[Memes]

So we're.

[Zach]

We're coming. She's probably great. She's probably. She's probably cool.

[Big Cat]

I think you're rebombing too much.

[Zach]

You know, we're coming to conclusion I might be bad neighbor. Is that what we're.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Should, like, say I should apologize next time I see your ace, but you.

[Max]

Got to keep bombing, like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

I have to just take those noise complaints. If I get a bomb complaint.

[Kyle Long]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

Here's what you do. Tomorrow, hit the snooze button three times and rebomb it a few times. And she. See, if she comes over, if she does again, then you could be like, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that my bomb was affecting you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, would you like to come in and check out my bomb?

[Memes]

Make sure you have a chest tattoo out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that.

[Big Cat]

I didn't know you went to prison. No prison time, so.

[Zach]

Non prison time.

[Big Cat]

Maybe some time. A tiny bit. No, no.

[Zach]

Incarceration.

[Big Cat]

All right. Good show, boys. Numbers three.

[Max]

You notice anything different about.

[Big Cat]

No one's even trying to get it.

[Memes]

Let him press it.

[Hank]

33.

[Big Cat]

What's. What's different? Oh, there's a. What's in there?

[PFT Commenter]

What's in there, guys?

[Big Cat]

Oh, there's a Hank toy in there.

[Max]

Little Hank.

[Big Cat]

Well, now, this doesn't. This doesn't count.

[Memes]

The tank on. It's Hank on the shelf. You never know where he's gonna be.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but that's a. That's a good point by big Cat, though. This can't be. We can't count. This can't be Official spin.

[Memes]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Because there's. What happens if it's a foreign body inside the machine?

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Max]

Let it go.

[PFT Commenter]

The machine's been hacked.

[Big Cat]

All right. I mean, this would be very suspect.

[Memes]

Yeah, the tank.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, this is actually.

[Max]

This has asterisk. Yes, yes.

[Big Cat]

That's asterisk. That's why.

[Max]

That's why.

[Memes]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

That's why I said let it go.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll take 15. 82, 21, 99, 44, 86.

[Max]

I like this. I like to see little Hank just floating in there. He looks awesome.

[Big Cat]

34.

[Kyle Long]

Look at little Hank.

[Big Cat]

Oh, 15. 15.

[PFT Commenter]

Does anyone. Yeah, it was me. It doesn't. Oh, it doesn't count, unfortunately.

[Big Cat]

Oh, bfd. Way to go. That's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't get excited about that. I don't care. I don't care that I got.

[Big Cat]

That's Pretty cool.

[PFT Commenter]

You're just doing it for fun. Really? I've gotten a bunch of times.

[Memes]

No, you only got it once.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, like. Yeah, I guess. I guess that counts, right? Memes. I got it twice because I just got.

[Memes]

Doesn't.

[PFT Commenter]

That doesn't count because the number came up that I said Hank assisted, but I said the number, and then it came up.

[Max]

Yeah, no, that counts.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it maybe counts, but I don't. Like. I'm not. Who cares?

[Memes]

We'll let Lil Hank decide.

[Max]

I mean, for everyone else, it doesn't even really matter.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that. I. I got zero joy out of that. But I did pick the correct number, which is kind of crazy. It's that easy.

[Memes]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm this nonchalant about it. Who put that in there?

[Memes]

Exactly.

[Big Cat]

Means if you had gotten that. If you had gotten that, you would have said it was real.

[Memes]

We'll never know. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

[Max]

That was allegations right there. Is that true?

[Zach]

I'll take that on Chin.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach. No, don't take. Don't take anything on the chin.

[Max]

The look on Zach's face made it seem like that. That was. That was not Zach.

[Memes]

Whose idea was it?

[Zach]

I just asked if you thought. If we thought he could float.

[Big Cat]

I think we're gonna leave him in. Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

Who put it in there?

[Memes]

Who?

[PFT Commenter]

Actually, physically.

[Zach]

That was me. I put it.

[Max]

So it was.

[Big Cat]

I was the only one. Too much time on it.

[Zach]

That was on me.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Max]

I mean, that's good promo.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a great promo.

[Zach]

Sports.com.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, I got it. 15. That's pretty crazy.

[Memes]

Hank on a shelf.

[Big Cat]

It's just very funny to just think of Zach and memes like. Like, you know, at, like, 1 o'.

[Pete Prisco]

Clock.

[Big Cat]

They should be like, you think Hank could float?

[Max]

That's a good promo. Yeah, we're trying to. We're trying to sell some merch. Black Friday's coming up.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's a very lucky toy store.

[Max]

Partialsports.com. hey, look.

[Kyle Long]

Little Hank.

[Max]

It's right there.

[Big Cat]

Look, Hank.

[Zach]

So is Little Hank.

[Max]

1. Little Hank hasn't said one word about little Hank.

[Big Cat]

Little Hank doesn't like little Hank.

[Max]

No, Big Hank doesn't like Little Hank.

[Big Cat]

Big Hank hates Little Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

Fierce rivalry.

[Max]

You got nothing to say?

[Hank]

Nothing to say.

[Big Cat]

He's passing. Okay, numbers three.

[Hank]

33.

[Max]

I like the idea.

[Big Cat]

34.

[Hank]

Passing.

[Max]

82.

[Zach]

61.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll go with 50.

[Big Cat]

86.

[Kyle Long]

99.

[Memes]

Pick.

[Big Cat]

26. 26. Memes trying to rig the lottery ball still has no chance of getting it Pretty crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty crazy.

[Max]

Congrats on the win.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Congrats on the win.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I. I didn't win. I did pick it. But listen, we can't get excited.

[Memes]

Hank. Little Hank assisted. I assisted.

[PFT Commenter]

It was. It was.

[Memes]

Things on shelves.

[PFT Commenter]

Not a win. I've also gotten before memes. Yeah, you've got it. Yes.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if you remember that. Memes.

[PFT Commenter]

This doesn't count. Clearly doesn't count because the rules were officially stated beforehand. And as per the rules, I acknowledge that. And I didn't get it.

[Big Cat]

You've never got it. All right, one more.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Plus, like, I. I'll do it again. All right. At some point.

[Max]

Does this one count?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this one counts. New numbers. Three.

[Max]

Oh, new numbers.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Nah, that's. I'll go back to 15.

[Memes]

That's fine.

[Hank]

I'll do 22.

[Zach]

7.

[Max]

So I can't do 82.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. New numbers.

[Max]

77, 81, 43, 48, 11. You said 48. Yeah, I love 48.

[Big Cat]

51. Pretty close as you ever gotten.

[Max]

That's also.

[Memes]

I was thinking about picking 52.

[PFT Commenter]

The same numbers as what I just picked.

[Big Cat]

You were thinking about. Pretty crazy.

[Memes]

That linebacker for the 49ers. Patrick.

[Big Cat]

Wait, so you're even in your thinking about numbers? You don't get it.

[Memes]

Yeah. Who's the linebacker on the 49ers?

[PFT Commenter]

No, don't.

[Memes]

Patrick.

[PFT Commenter]

He's gonna try to.

[Big Cat]

Willis.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, no.

[Memes]

Will this dick fit in your mouth?

[Big Cat]

Oh, he got me. There it is. Good one, memes. That's all you got?

[Memes]

That's all I needed.

[Kyle Long]

Love you wins a win.

[Big Cat]

Good one.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

That was good.

[Memes]

Sa.