Max Homa, Shane Bacon Previewing The Masters, Florida Wins The National Championship, Pardon Your Take And White Lotus Finale

Summary

Pardon My Take Episode Summary: April 9, 2025

In this episode of Pardon My Take, hosts Big Cat and PFT Commenter delve into a variety of sports topics, blending insightful analysis with their signature humor. The episode covers Florida's triumphant return to the top of college basketball, previews for The Masters with special guests Max Homa and Shane Bacon, a recap of the White Lotus finale, and engaging listener interactions through the Hot Seat and Cool Throne segments.

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1. Florida Gators' National Championship Victory

The episode opens with a celebration of the Florida Gators' recent National Championship win. Big Cat and PFT Commenter express immense pride and joy over the team's performance, highlighting their impressive journey through the tournament.

• Big Cat: “[03:22]... Florida Gators are back on top of the college basketball mountain.”

• PFT Commenter: “[03:31]... We put in the hard work. You know, that I got crashed by the lighthouse. We turned that into fertilizer. We got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four.”

They discuss key moments from the Final Four, particularly focusing on Florida's defense and the critical final possession that secured their championship.

• Big Cat: “[04:00]... Florida's defense was instrumental in stopping Houston's final play, showcasing their strategic prowess.”

The conversation also touches on coach Kelvin Sampson's impact and the team's overall strategy, praising players like Walter Clayton and Will Richard for their contributions.

• PFT Commenter: “[05:32]... I was hoping, I mean, I obviously had the future on Florida, but for Kelvin, I don't know if he's going to get back here because this is an old team that he had."

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2. Masters Tournament Preview with Max Homa and Shane Bacon

Big Cat welcomes PGA Tour star Max Homa and sports commentator Shane Bacon to discuss their insights and predictions for The Masters. The conversation balances Max's personal experiences and challenges with broader tournament strategies.

• Big Cat: “[31:16]... We have Max Homa and Shane Bacon here to talk about The Masters.”

Max Homa shares his recent struggles and the changes he's implementing to improve his game ahead of the tournament.

• Max Homa: “[58:05]... I've changed almost everything. Clubs, coach, trainer, caddy, clothes... I have not played a weekend in over a month and a half, and I've been getting more rest.”

He opens up about his split with his long-term caddy, Joe, emphasizing their enduring friendship despite professional changes.

• Max Homa: “[60:05]... I'm proud and happy that he spoke up and did what he felt was best so we don't have any ill will against each other.”

Shane Bacon provides his perspective on player performances and course conditions, highlighting Rory McIlroy's strong chances and discussing the strategic elements that could influence the tournament's outcome.

• Shane Bacon: “[94:32]... Rory McIlroy is playing as good golf as he's ever played in the early part of the season.”

The trio debates the impact of range sessions on tournament performance, the role of advanced analytics, and the psychological aspects of competing at Augusta.

• Shane Bacon: “[95:44]... Current form is as important as how you played in past events.”

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3. Hot Seat and Cool Throne Segments

Listeners submit their sports-related dilemmas and humorous situations, which Big Cat and PFT Commenter address in the Hot Seat and Cool Throne segments. This interactive portion adds a personal touch, showcasing the hosts' ability to blend advice with comedy.

• Big Cat: “[42:32]... Hank has got his Hot Seat as Human Society.”

• PFT Commenter: “[42:40]... Romulus and Ramis Khaleesi, the world's first de extinct animals.”

The segments feature light-hearted banter and playful critiques, maintaining the show's entertaining atmosphere.

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4. White Lotus Finale Recap

The hosts dedicate a portion of the episode to discussing the highly-anticipated finale of HBO's White Lotus. While not all members have engaged deeply with the series, the conversation highlights key plot points and character developments.

• PFT Commenter: “[127:00]... There have been some great baseball injuries this year. Being out because he ate chicken wings.”

They dissect the show's themes, character arcs, and controversial moments, reflecting on its impact and the audience's reception.

• PFT Commenter: “[143:08]... He decided to kill his dad as he was on a mission to kill the guy who killed his dad.”

The discussion underscores the complexity of the narrative and the show's ability to provoke thought and debate among viewers.

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5. Listener Engagement and Final Thoughts

Throughout the episode, Big Cat and PFT Commenter engage with their audience through humorous anecdotes, personal stories, and responsive commentary. They emphasize the importance of community and shared experiences in the world of sports.

• Big Cat: “[75:54]... He just jacked his brother off, which the... That's a.”

• PFT Commenter: “[147:56]... Do you think that you would have disliked it as much if it wasn't coming right off of Severance?”

The episode closes with reflections on the evolving landscape of sports media, the future of podcasting, and the enduring appeal of candid, humorous sports discussions.

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Notable Quotes:

• “We put in the hard work. You know, that I got crashed by the lighthouse. We turned that into fertilizer. We got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four.” — PFT Commenter [03:31]

• “I've changed almost everything. Clubs, coach, trainer, caddy, clothes... I have not played a weekend in over a month and a half, and I've been getting more rest.” — Max Homa [58:05]

• “Current form is as important as how you played in past events.” — Shane Bacon [95:44]

This episode of Pardon My Take offers a comprehensive look at significant sports events, insightful guest interviews, and entertaining segments that cater to both die-hard fans and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

[Dan Katz]

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[Dan Katz]

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[Shane Bacon]

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[Max Homa]

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[PFT Commenter]

See you fellas.

[Dan Katz]

I invented the thing, you pigeon. Pink Whitney for legendary moments on today's part. In my take, it is Masters time and we have our good friend Max Homa on the show, as is tradition. Great catching up with him. He's about to turn the corner and maybe shock the world. We're going to shock the world. We're pumping up Max. We have our good friend Shane Bacon breaking down the Masters, talking about best bets, what we expect from this weekend. We're going to talk Florida Gators back on the top of the college basketball mountain. We had some weird firings in Denver. We have hot seat, cool throne, and then we're going to finish with pardon your take, listener submitted pardon your take and a White Lotus recap for the finale. Hank has watched it. That was the only episode he watched PFT and I watched the whole season. So if you are someone who has not watched it and you don't want to be spoiled, the very end of the show will be White Lotus. We will not talk about it until then. And. And before we get to all of that, DraftKings. The battle for the jacket is heating up in Augusta, and there's no better place to sweat the action than DraftKings Daily Fantasy, the ultimate destination for fantasy golf fans and for the year's first major, DraftKings is giving all customers a shot to play free for a $1 million top prize. With your next $10 deposit, it's simple to play. Build your dream lineup while staying under the salary cap. Then sit back and watch as your players rack up points. Every birdie, every bogey, every clutch putt. Feel the intensity of every shot. Download the DraftKings app, use code TAKE to play free for a shot at the $1 million top prize with just a $10 deposit. That's code TAKE for all DraftKings customers. The crown is yours. Gambling problem.

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[Dan Katz]

Okay, let's go. Hey, football guy. Patino. Awl. My take. Yeah, part of my take. Yeah, part of my take. Welcome to Part of My take presented by DraftKings. Download the DraftKings app. Use code Take to play free for a shot at the $1 million top prize with just a $10 deposit. That's code take for all DraftKings customers. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, April 9th, and the Florida Gators are back on top. What did Ian Eagle say? The championship.

[PFT Commenter]

The championship.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, the championship.

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty good.

[Dan Katz]

What a. What a. Final Four. Let's give it up for the Final Four.

[PFT Commenter]

That was incredible. Great games.

[Dan Katz]

Great games. We deserve it.

[PFT Commenter]

We. We put in the hard work. You know, that I got crashed by the lighthouse. We put in the hard work watching this. The turned into fertilizer. We got a beautiful garden that bloomed in the Final Four. I. I think that Houston was uncomfortable not playing from behind. Yeah, I feel like Houston had had the lead the whole game, and they're like, wait, we're. We're usually the ones that are. That are coming back at the last minute.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we can't hold on to the lead. We want to take the lead. The. So all three games in the Final Four, the team losing at halftime won the game. That means that it was, you know, back and forth, fun basketball. It wasn't the prettiest game, but it was thrilling. And we got to see something I never thought I'd see where you get a last possession where Houston was not able to get a shot off because, I mean, he threw the ball and was going to end up with a traveling violation if he had touched the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was weird. Was that the last. Was that the worst final possession of all time in college basketball? It might be Chris Weber.

[Hank]

Not the counts.

[PFT Commenter]

Not the final possession, though. But yeah, I mean, it was. I don't know what they were planning on doing. I guess credit to Florida's defense for taking away whatever it is they were trying to do, but, yeah, they couldn't get a shot off.

[Dan Katz]

Well, watching it back, I know that Walter Clayton got player of the tournament, player of the Final Four, which he deserved. He was even on a night when his first three or four shots were comically off. And I think that also is part of the. The. The ball being Overinflated. He was a big part of Florida offense, you know, with his assists in the first half, and then he found a little offense late, driving to the hole, hitting a big three. But Will Richard was the player of the game for this game, and it was him keeping them afloat in the first half with his threes. And then if you look at the final possession, his on ball defense in the final possession is where, like all the timing for Houston got screwed up. And when the timing got screwed up, you end up with that possession where Kelvin Sampson was just staring there, not saying anything, watching his dream crumble.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was, I feel bad for Kelvin Sampson.

[Dan Katz]

I do, too.

[PFT Commenter]

I was hoping, I mean, I obviously had the future on Florida, but for Kelvin, I don't know if he's going to get back here because this is an old team that he had. It was their culture, though. Yeah. What was the average age there? Like, 21. 21 and a half. Yeah, they were an older team and they were, they played really hard last. I was super impressed with how they defended against Clayton. So they, what they did in the first half was they had crier on them.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, they blitzed them too.

[PFT Commenter]

And they're like, yeah, crier. You're gonna, you're gonna sprint your ass off. Like, pretend like you're running around guarding Rip HAMILTON for, for 20 minutes. And then in the second half, we're going to put sharp on him.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So you can, we'll, we'll have someone who's relatively fresh and they did a great job of stopping him taking away outside shots. He had great passes to the inside. I didn't know that. I didn't know if Condon was going to be enough because Condon, he looked like he was scared.

[Dan Katz]

He can't, that was the big thing with Clayton. Should have had more assists because his passes were so good.

[PFT Commenter]

Great passing.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, the, the Florida big men again, their hands didn't work except for Thomas Hawk, who. That was one of the, that was the play of the game when he, when he blocked the ball and then went for the, and one. Yeah, that was an incredible play. But yeah, Condon, I, I, I'll say it. He still is so important defensively, but offensively, when he gets the ball, it's just nervousness.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there, there have been some games where he looks good offensively, but against Houston, he, he wanted no part of having that ball in the paint. Yeah, he would just, he would like toss it around to himself, dribble it off his leg, get it stripped. I Think he had like back to back traveling violations. Yeah, he was, he was scared in the first half, but there, yeah, there were great passes by, by Clayton. And then the second half they kind of figured out different ways that they could score. Completely different halves in terms of how it was officiated too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So the stats are insane. There were four fouls called in the first half and there were 26 fouls called in the second half. Two technicals. Also, Todd golden probably deserves credit and I hate that the refs became a part of the entire story here, but his technical was maybe the most strategic technical of all time. Because after his technical foul, which was I think like three or four minutes into the second half, the fouls went 13 to 3 on Houston.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, good, good move by him.

[Dan Katz]

It was because, remember, the second half started. I think Florida had five fouls in two and a half minutes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, two of, two of those fouls were phantom calls. Yeah, two were really, really bad. And then there was a bad that they had too. And so I, I, after the first bad call, I could tell Golden's. He's going to get a technical here.

[Dan Katz]

Watch.

[PFT Commenter]

He, he's like, he knows that he's out of the box. I love, by the way, I love the, the box that they put on coaches because no coach stays in the box ever. It's just if you get worn three times and you still, you go further outside the box, that's when they hit you with the tee.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we also, speaking of the refs, I feel like Seth Davis had, like, he, he would be my LVP for the tournament because remember, he was, he was carrying water for Kevin Willard earlier in the tournament. Not understanding how fans, you know, interact in sports.

[PFT Commenter]

I had Jeff Goodman as mine.

[Dan Katz]

Jeff Goodman also. Well, he's, he, I don't even know if he can register because he's like, this guy sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Which sucks talking about him because he doesn't know who we are. So he's not ever going to hear this.

[Dan Katz]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just yelling into the ether.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, no idea who we are. Seth Davis, though, tweeted this about the refs. I've always disagreed with the argument that the ref should call it the same the whole game. The game changes. Sometimes you need to blow the P, he said. I called it a P. Blow the P. Sometimes you need to blow the P. To tighten things up. They did. The players adjusted and we got an Amazing final 12 minutes. Reffing is more art than science. I'm going to disagree with that.

[Hank]

I think you want Robot arms.

[Dan Katz]

That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. If. Here's, here's the thing. If, if the refs don't call physical play or something, that happens in the first half and then all of a sudden they decide that they're going to call that a foul. That's very confusing for the players and usually gives us a worse product because the players do not have consistency.

[Hank]

There's a reason they wear black and white.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's.

[Hank]

It's not. It's black and white or the other. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do they. Do all refs wear black and white.

[Dan Katz]

Though, on a basketball court?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I feel like in the NBA it's like gray.

[Dan Katz]

It might be gray.

[PFT Commenter]

There's shades of gray in there.

[Dan Katz]

On a college. When you think stripes. He made a good. He made a good. It's a great joke and a good, A good pun. Give it to him.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a great, great.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not art, but that.

[Dan Katz]

That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that's very stupid. Like, can you imagine a baseball umpire being like, the strike, zone, you know, it changes right to inning. No, like, be consistent. That's the one thing. If you're gonna. Listen, if you're gonna blow the P26 times in the second half, then blow the P26 times in the first half.

[Dan Katz]

Be. If you're gonna be bad, be consistently bad. Yeah, if you're gonna be good, be consistently good. Like, that's actually. It's the exact opposite of how I view officiating. There are game and you see the refs are like, all right, it's gonna be one of those nights. And you just. And then everyone adjusts to have it be. It's not one of those nights. And then halftime happens and they're like, no, it is one of those nights. That sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

I have another complaint about the officiating. This has been bugging me for, I feel like three years now. Why do they insist on having that, that weird angle camera every time they're watching the review and then making the announcement? The one that's like. It looks like it's done on a laptop camera. Like a front facing laptop camera where they stare into it and every single one of them looks like a serial killer about to murder somebody.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's a blowjob.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a blowjob. It's the. What she sees.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And every ref looks like a complete creep. Just get, get a normal camera.

[Dan Katz]

I agree. It's so Stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

It makes me hate the refs more. Also, I. I did grow to hate Gene Stereotor.

[Dan Katz]

I like them. At the end, I went the other way.

[PFT Commenter]

You ended up liking him.

[Dan Katz]

I ended up missing him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

On Sunday, I was like, man, I really wish Gene Serator could just pop into my life right now.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to stay strong. It was.

[Dan Katz]

I wish someone had done. I. Next year, we'll do it where it's just one shining moment, but it's just Gene Stereotor's graphic popping up. It's like over and over.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like being the mayor of New York City, no matter what you do, everybody's gonna hate you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If you are the person who is in charge of busting in the broadcast, like, 20 times in three minutes to analyze if a ball hit off a guy's knee, when we can all see that it hit off his knee.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And they're like, okay, let's get Gene Stertor in, because he's the only guy that can tell us if this ball actually hit off the guy's knee or if we're just seeing things. Yeah, Gene, what do you think? That's. It makes me hate you. I don't want to hate Gene.

[Dan Katz]

I just missed him because I. He became such a big part of my life. It was like. It's like, you know, getting like an office wife or an office husband. Gene Stereotor, we watched so much basketball. He was kind of getting office hot to me.

[PFT Commenter]

Office.

[Dan Katz]

I was kind of being like, Gene Stewards doing it for me. When he pops in, he's like, I don't know. It could go either way. Thanks. Gene really needed that opinion. And he makes some little joke. I. I didn't like how jokey they got. They got really jokey.

[PFT Commenter]

That's why you got to get Mike Carry back.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We need to bring him back to the national discussion.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But, yeah, credit to Florida. So Florida's path was pretty impressive. So starting with the SEC championship or SEC tournament, Florida went on to beat Missouri, who is ranked 19th in Ken Palm. Alabama 6, Tennessee 5. Then go to the tournament. They win their first round game. UConn. Defending champs, 32, Maryland 10, Texas Tech nine, Auburn four, Houston two. So they went on a path where they beat six top 10 teams to get to this championship. The only, you know, they were. They were ranked third. They ended up beating the 2, 4, 5, and 6 ranked teams in Ken Palm. So Duke was the only one that they didn't rank or didn't pick beat. It was a hell of a Gauntlet. And they did it, and Florida's back on top. I also saw, I was reading an article last night. I think it was on the Athletic, where It was like, February 26, 20, 2006 was when Florida lost their last game and then went on to win a title. February 27, 2006, 7 was when they lost their last game to go on win on a title. And then this year, they lost their last game, February 25th, and then just went. So it's something about those late February losses and then Florida, when they've won their three titles, have just gone. Ripped them all off.

[PFT Commenter]

It's wild.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the story from this Final Four, though, if we're going to think back, put yourself in a time machine 10 years from now, Duke, Duke losing is still the, it's still the story of the Final Four. Yes. That I, I will die on that hill we're going to.

[Hank]

Houston choked. You didn't play hard.

[PFT Commenter]

Houston, one possession blew that game.

[Dan Katz]

Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

I said it was middle goal. It was the worst possession I've ever seen.

[Dan Katz]

But they, but it was before that. Okay, they did choke. They, they had turnovers , I think four, their last four possessions.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Which is crazy. Yeah. Houston choke.

[Hank]

But also Houston, Florida also traveled twice on that, on that once press break. No, the ball handle.

[Dan Katz]

I, I, I know the, the one you're talking about with Clayton. I don't think he traveled.

[Hank]

The other one did like a, he took like 20 steps and two.

[Dan Katz]

No, he did not.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there were probably two missed calls, but, I mean, they were, they were. Either way, they were close enough. Yeah, Houston.

[Dan Katz]

And also there was the goaltending that they didn't review.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was important. It turns out, Hank, that's art. They can't argue that because they didn't call it. So if they, if they called it on the floor, they could look at it, be like, yeah, we got it right, but they didn't call it. So instead we just came back from commercial and they were like, look at this goaltending call that they missed. Nothing's going to change.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Look, Hank, you probably aren't wrong because Houston did lead the game for all but 17 seconds in the first 39 minutes. And then Elijah Martin hit two free throws or one free throw with 46 seconds remaining, and that was it. Like, that's. Hank had a future on Houston. Am I, am I reversing the narrative that you always win the big bets in my face? And I'm, I kind of reversed it. Yeah, I did feel bad because it was like, it sucked that we were.

[Hank]

I appreciated you feel. I, I didn't, I didn't think you needed to feel bad. But I like when it's. When it's head to head, but it's different when it's future against future.

[Dan Katz]

I know that.

[Hank]

Yeah. But it's still. If we both were like, you know, nuke versus nuke, that's one thing.

[Dan Katz]

But yeah, it's true. You can't, you can't plan on that. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If anything, that just means that this podcast knows ball.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. True. I, I, Yeah. I want a very large sum of money, and I think I still am down in March Madness. But that's okay. I'm a losing gambler. I've never said different counts.

[Hank]

Not empty.

[Dan Katz]

The account's not empty. But there's a lot of people being like, show you all your losers. Like, hey, buddy, there's a lot of them. I will never admit it different.

[PFT Commenter]

I have.

[Dan Katz]

I'm a loser.

[PFT Commenter]

A solemn promise to you all, I will never check and see how much money I've lost.

[Dan Katz]

I, I will when I write, like, a biography in, like, 40 years. And then I can, like, you know, they'll have me on whatever the next Dan Patrick is. And I could be like, says you're in your book. You lost $30 million gambling. Like, yep, it's true. That's not what the number is right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, I, I'm down. I'm down big this year. And I hit the Travis Hunter Heisman future.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That was the biggest future of my life.

[Dan Katz]

I went, I went skubal, Travis Hunter Eagles and Florida.

[PFT Commenter]

You win and I'm down plus 16.

[Ryan Whitney]

Zero in the mixed in the middle.

[Dan Katz]

Of that, and I'm still down. So that gives you a little insight of how I am as a maybe buy those candles. I just love the people being like, show your losers. Like, dude. And then they're. Thank you to everyone who came to my defense. They're like, he's said a billion times that he's a loser. Like, that's just. I'm actually on documented record.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. When they went, When Penn went to trial against the Massachusetts government, they're like, he's the biggest gambling loser of all time. Historically. But yeah, it was. It was. I think we will remember Duke.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, that's got to be the big story, right?

[Dan Katz]

It's gotta be the big story.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually do believe that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That 10 years from now we'll remember that Florida won a national title. Will we remember it as much as because here's, here's the difference, Hank, between.

[Hank]

Duke's saying it's usa, Russia. No, it's a ussr.

[PFT Commenter]

They're supposed to be Duke.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Well, and also I, I think if you had to, if you had to make a bet on what player from these four teams is going to have a career that we talk about for a long time. It's Cooper Flag. And guess what happened with Cooper Flag in his last, you know, tournament game. He choked. So that's where the storyline comes.

[Hank]

Yeah, a lot of choking. I think it'll be remembered as the, the final four of chokes.

[Dan Katz]

The chokes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Kelvin Sampson. I do feel bad. He was on win number seven 99. So this would have been 800. Brutal.

[PFT Commenter]

He probably would have retired. Right.

[Dan Katz]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

At 800.

[Dan Katz]

His son is coaching, waiting. Kellen. He's. Yeah, he's been right there. He just. I'll say this about Kelvin Sampson. Incredible coach. Just needs to figure out how to get a little bit more moisture in his mouth.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

He is a big time dry mouth guy.

[PFT Commenter]

He is. He is. He also is a coach that every time I see him, I think he's going to be fatter than he is.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I think, I think it's the name Kelvin.

[PFT Commenter]

Kelvin. He like, I, I assume every time the camera pants, so I'm like, wow, he's lost a lot of weight. But I say that every time I see him.

[Dan Katz]

Adding an L to Kevin makes you fatter. Yeah, it should. Like when you close your eyes, hey, that's, that's Kelvin coming down the street. I'm like, whoa, that guy's a big boy.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. How you say Kevin while you're swallowing a bite of sandwich.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Your mouth is full, Kelvin.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And then Florida. Yeah. I mean, this, this Final Four or this championship game for everyone who says that college basketball is dying. Yes. Obviously there's some issues then I L and transfer. But there were no five star recruits in this game and there were no freshmen in this game. So playing I. Maybe there was a freshman. I know Florida has a freshman. Maybe it was the starters. No five stars, no freshmen. So it's not just. You can load the. You know, Duke would have been the, the team. You're like, nil has ruined it. They just paid 20 million for their roster. That didn't happen.

[PFT Commenter]

So it turns out that like the, the only thing that we could say after the tournament was over, if Duke had won, nil ruined college basketball.

[Dan Katz]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

And since Florida won and they didn't have Freshmen. It's college basketball alive and well.

[Dan Katz]

Alive and well.

[PFT Commenter]

Will also, I. I just. I hate after big games like this seeing Olivier Rue go out on the court and cut down the nets and not have to jump at all.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

With 7 foot 8 guy, 7 foot 9 guy in Florida who doesn't play because he's a freshman. I just wish that we had seen him play.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I agree. He'll play.

[PFT Commenter]

He's gonna be a freak.

[Dan Katz]

And it was also, like I said, my, my player of the game was Will Richard is. I'm a SAP for this stuff. He was the first guy to commit to Todd golden when he took over at Florida. I always love those stories where it's like he was the first one to believe in what would end up being three years down the line a national champion.

[PFT Commenter]

He was my guy. Yeah, he was the guy built it all around.

[Dan Katz]

That's. That's the foundation block.

[PFT Commenter]

Do we have a top 25 for next year already? I love the sickos that do those lists the second the games.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Ryan Whitney]

Phantom made one.

[Dan Katz]

Kentucky, Duke, Kansas. Uncle. I'm going to say Creighton's going to be somewhere around 12. Where's Creighton's 22?

[PFT Commenter]

He's got Houston at one.

[Dan Katz]

Houston, Purdue, Louisville, Duke, Yukon, Texas Tech, Alabama, St. John's UCLA, Iowa State. That's your top 10. I love that.

[PFT Commenter]

Congrats to Iowa State.

[Dan Katz]

There was a guy. There's a guy on. I can't remember. It might be like JBB bracketology or something. I can't remember. No, JBR bracketology is someone I follow. Is a really good college who's followed. But there's a guy who did bracketology already before it was. I think he did on Saturday.

[PFT Commenter]

Who were the first four teams out?

[Dan Katz]

I don't know who the first four teams out was. I just immediately looked. Wisconsin got an 8 seed.

[PFT Commenter]

I would just assume that was cool. If you're doing bracketology for next year already, you're only doing it.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, there it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Just have the first four teams out so you can stick it to fan bases that you don't like.

[Dan Katz]

Mr. Brackets 3, he's got Houston as your 1 seed in the South. Duke is your 1 seat in the East, Kentucky is your 1 seed in the Midwest and Purdue out West. Gonna be tough for the Boilermakers out going out west.

[Ryan Whitney]

I pulled that up pretty quick. Is he did it Looks like Nova's not on there.

[Max Homa]

But.

[Dan Katz]

But Robert.

[Shane Bacon]

Right.

[Ryan Whitney]

Robert Wright coming to Nova.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like they reversed where West Virginia should be in Xavier, I feel like those two are backwards in this one. Did the committee get it wrong?

[Dan Katz]

Committee got it wrong. I just love the commitment to do a bracketology. When did he post this? Great job, Max, by pulling that up. When did he post this? This was on April 5th at 218. So this was before the Final Four was played.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Dan Katz]

I love that. That's a commitment right there.

[PFT Commenter]

But, yeah, that's actually a great way to take away some of this. If your team doesn't get into the NCAA tournament, there should be a guy that does this for next year and put all those bubble teams in and actually be like, look, we're building something.

[Dan Katz]

You got it. You're on the way. All right, so, yeah. Good, bad tournament. Great. Final Four. Yeah, I think that's fair to say.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to get a shot off.

[Dan Katz]

Got to get a shot off me.

[PFT Commenter]

If I. That's prob. I mean, with Houston, you take the good with the bad. They practice so much in, like, loose ball drills y. And not shooting you. You revert back to your training. What do you think wrestling.

[Dan Katz]

What do you think would have happened if he had picked up the ball? Do you think the refs would have been. They would have called it?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, we could have had the. The biggest missed call of all time.

[Dan Katz]

Right. Like, just put the pressure on them. I also think he should have. He should have touched it just because then they would have still been like.

[PFT Commenter]

Whatever, five seconds left, and you force them.

[Dan Katz]

Florida goes. Goes. Makes a free throw. Yeah. Force to make the call. If they make the call, Florida makes a free throw or two. That then it would be game. But if they make one, you still got a shot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he should have touched it all time. Oh, that's so unsatisfying. If you're a Houston fan, I don't know what. You just have that playing in your head forever. Like, that's a. That was kind of.

[Hank]

Well, it felt like a win the whole game, too. Like, they were. They were winning that game.

[Dan Katz]

You just need a shot. You need a shot at the end of the game. And especially. I mean, the play they ran was to. To. To shoot a three. And they should have went right away, sprinted right at the rim.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And tried to get a rebound.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I didn't understand was why. Why take it down that far?

[Dan Katz]

Why.

[PFT Commenter]

Why not give your. Yourself a shot to. If they get a rebound, get a foul and. And play it out from there. Give yourself multiple opportunities to not get a shot off.

[Dan Katz]

When I watched it back I was looking at it and it looked like what they were hoping for. It look, it basically Will Richards defense got all of the sequence of screens out of order for Houston and they were just all a little bit late in the pass. Wasn't really crisp. But I think what they were trying to do was get Condon to come out on the three and it would have left J1 Roberts and Clayton going for the rebound. So you basically take it three with five seconds left and you're big and then you have a huge mismatch under the boards.

[PFT Commenter]

Also, I feel like J1 Roberts could get a rebound even if there are three other guys around him.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that shot he hit off the.

[PFT Commenter]

Backboard, that was insane.

[Dan Katz]

Insane.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I woke up this morning and my first thought was, how did Florida win this game? Yeah, like, it's crazy. It was a great comeback by Florida.

[Dan Katz]

They were never in control of this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Never.

[Dan Katz]

Not even for. Even at the end. It's like, oh, here comes Houston. They're going to either hit a three or get a rebound because that's what they always do.

[PFT Commenter]

Like if you're trailing. And what were they down by? 12 points?

[Dan Katz]

I think they're down 12. They were down 10 almost instantly in the second half.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You're down 12 and you get two technicals.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And you still come back and win. That's crazy.

[Dan Katz]

It was that Thomas Hawk block and. And one was an incredible, incredible play. He played his balls off.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

He was. He was a dude.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay. Denver has fired their head coach, our good friend Michael Malone and their gm. What the fuck?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, what the fuck? This is the one of the craziest coach firings. The hu. Denver is in the four seat, I believe right now, but they're all these teams in the west are within half games, so they could end up being the eight seed. Memes had an interesting theory that he's been reading about online. I don't know if.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, you mean Luka Doncic?

[PFT Commenter]

Nope, Nope.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, our guy Memes decided to show up to work today dressed as Luka Doncic. I don't know. I've never seen it before. He's wearing a Luka Doncic.

[PFT Commenter]

Mavericks.

[Dan Katz]

Mavericks Luka Doncic hoodie. Is that a. It's a sweatshirt.

[Hank]

Hersey.

[Dan Katz]

A Hersey, I think a sweatshirt jersey, matching sweatpants, and then has his shoes and socks exactly like Luca would wear.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So he's just channeling Luca on the.

[Dan Katz]

Mavs, and he's been drinking beers all day.

[PFT Commenter]

And he said he memes what hookah and hookah memes was like, is it sex trafficking? That was his theory on mud. I mean, the Denver Airport weird goes on there.

[Dan Katz]

Was it the Jokic brothers that just went into the. The Nuggets facilities? Like, fire him now?

[PFT Commenter]

I coach team now.

[Dan Katz]

No, I, I, I mean, I read. Who knows what actually happened? Apparently, the GM and Michael Malone did not speak, and they were not on.

[PFT Commenter]

Good terms, so they're firing both of them.

[Dan Katz]

So they're like, fuck it. We'll fire both of them.

[PFT Commenter]

Me, personally, I would keep the coach that won an NBA title.

[Dan Katz]

I would keep the coach that you're.

[Hank]

Winning before the playoffs.

[Dan Katz]

Your winning is coach of all time, your NBA title coach, the only one you have in your history of your. Of your franchise right before the playoffs. Makes no sense. I. I always go back to, like, whenever these things happen. Like, Jokic had to sign off on this, right?

[PFT Commenter]

I would think so.

[Dan Katz]

But also, Jokic is someone who, like, he's the type of guy who. I feel like he's. You wouldn't demand anything, nobody Luca thing.

[Hank]

When it was like, you would think someone along the way would have been like, we're not doing this. And that didn't happen. It feels like anything's possible.

[PFT Commenter]

But with. With. With Jokic, I feel like you. He's always teetering on the edge of being like, you know, I don't really like playing basketball. I'd rather just hang out with my horses. You don't want to piss him off.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I feel like you have to have that conversation with him.

[Dan Katz]

Right. Right before the playoffs. I know they've lost four in a row, but Jamal Murray's been in and out. So, like, you still have the best player in the world right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

You. So that. That leads me to only think that he would. He would have signed off on this. Yeah. Also, Calvin Booth the gm. Tough day for him because his face is weird.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There are some pictures of him that kind of looked like he was melting.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Someone said that looks like they put Nick Cage's face inside of his.

[PFT Commenter]

Inside of a tanning bed.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was.

[Dan Katz]

You pull up his picture?

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

I mean, that's just. Listen, sucks to get fired. Sucks even more for everyone to be like, oh, that's what you look like.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's take a look at this guy. Because I. I only saw the graphic that Sean. Yeah. Just. Why the long face? Calvin?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. So Calvin Booth.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a. It's a very.

[Dan Katz]

That first picture right there. That's not great.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a very strange time to do all this.

[Dan Katz]

Very strange.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, really, really strange. The owner, Josh, Cranky, he gave us a press conference today and they asked him about.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, does he have any relation to Stan?

[PFT Commenter]

I. I'll have to look that. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Good for him. Another crocky getting a team. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So. But he's independent. Independently wealthy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

His message to the team was play hard and have fun.

[Dan Katz]

So they're going. The Mighty Duck stretch.

[PFT Commenter]

They're going. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Gordon Bombay. That would be funny if they just hired Emilio Estevez. Like we don't joke is. Can drop the place. I'm just here to throw the beach ball out there and have some fun.

[PFT Commenter]

So I guess they're just going to go with the. Their assistant coaches and interim for the playoffs. Okay, I.

[Dan Katz]

This is coaching by committee.

[PFT Commenter]

This is stupid.

[Dan Katz]

This makes no sense.

[Hank]

Mike Malone's coaches.

[PFT Commenter]

Michael.

[Dan Katz]

Michael.

[Hank]

Yeah, but aren't they.

[Dan Katz]

Just say the question again.

[Hank]

Aren't those Michael Malone's coaches?

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, if you're firing your coach, you're post Malone.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Why would you not.

[PFT Commenter]

He had some help.

[Hank]

New help. If you don't believe in Michael Malone, how could you believe in his assistance? Would be my question.

[Dan Katz]

Fair. Fair question.

[PFT Commenter]

And will those assistants coach hard for you after you fired their guy?

[Hank]

Right.

[Dan Katz]

One of them will. One of them definitely is like, this is my shot.

[PFT Commenter]

The rat.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And then they'll. And then it will become a whole thing. Wait, who is this?

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about this guy? David Adelman?

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got. He's got cute cheeks.

[Dan Katz]

And who Rosie.

[PFT Commenter]

They are.

[Dan Katz]

Who else is. Is coaching for them. So they're really going by committee.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think this is a guy.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, he did. He did. They did make it officially. He's the interim. Okay. Because I was gonna say if they were. If. That would be very funny if it was like four guys and they took turns on the quarters. You're actually asking for huge production from a guy who's never done it before at this level. That's what Winhorst said. I agree with Wendy. Wendy's hair is so on point.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a good suit, too.

[Dan Katz]

This guy, he just, he serves. Looks love when he'll be on for the playoffs. You guys excited for the Masters? I know. We got Max Homa and Shane Bacon, by the way. Max, awesome interview. He's maybe not playing the best golf of his career right now, or he isn't, but he. We got him. I feel like we. It was a good, good time to just go back to the old conversation with Max home.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm very excited about it, Big Cat. I. I know that Sunday is maybe the best nap day of. Of the entire calendar year. When you're watching the final round.

[Dan Katz]

I think it's Saturday.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I actually have become more of a Friday Masters guy. Oh, Friday, Friday, Masters before the cut. It's like a little mini championship. It's like everybody is. Is fighting for something.

[Dan Katz]

I like Saturday just because Saturday, like Sunday, I don't want to miss anything. And Saturday is just a perfect Saturday afternoon. They do the thing where you can't watch the coverage on TV until, like, 3:00, and then it comes on and you kind of doze off. Then you wake up for the last, you know, four or five holes. What do you say, Max, why can't.

[Ryan Whitney]

You watch all of the Masters? I don't understand. There's no other sports going on at this time. Everyone wants to watch the whole thing.

[Hank]

The first two rounds. Yeah, they've expanded their coverage.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And Max.

[Ryan Whitney]

But there should be no. There should be no question of whether there is coverage.

[Dan Katz]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Download the app.

[Dan Katz]

You download the app then.

[Ryan Whitney]

But then you, like the amount of times that I've bet on somebody and you can't watch and you're just going through, like the Masters tracker and just waiting and refreshing and refreshing. It's so annoying.

[Dan Katz]

The most frustrating thing that happens every single year on Saturday, the Masters is at like 2:00. They're like, here is an hour of a Jack Nicklaus documentary. Like, just give us the foot. We know they're playing. Yeah, they're playing the Masters right now.

[PFT Commenter]

It's usually like 30 minutes about how Sam Sneed named a tree.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, but that. But the answer to your question, Max, is it's the master. So they get to make all the rules. They get to do whatever they want. That's really all it is. They have a one year contract with CBS and they basically call up CBS and say, yeah, you know what? We'll keep you for another year. Like imagine CBS is kind of the cuck in this relationship.

[Hank]

12 to 7 on Saturday.

[Dan Katz]

Is that real? 12 to 7.

[Hank]

12 to 2 on Peacock on the cockpit.

[PFT Commenter]

What about the morning?

[Hank]

Who cares on Saturday? Sunday, it's like it's moving day, bro. But anyone that's anyone.

[Dan Katz]

12 to 7 is a long dimple heads like us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No youo're gonna want to see how the guy how the course looks in the morning.

[Ryan Whitney]

What's going on from 8 to 12. Like what are. What are they showing that they can't show Mass.

[Hank]

I actually didn't realize Max just wanted to post up and watch. No, no.

[Ryan Whitney]

But I just like having it.

[PFT Commenter]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing though. And Max makes a good point point. Like they could be lying to us about what happens earlier in the day, right? They could just make up the scores and be like, oh, this is crazy. Tiger woods shot another great round early in the day on Saturday. You didn't see it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Also, why are you defending?

[Dan Katz]

Why?

[Ryan Whitney]

Why? You should be on my side here.

[Dan Katz]

If anyone is online.

[Hank]

But I do think the Masters in terms of golf tournaments at least. Like, there's a lot of golf tournaments where there's much worse viewing experiences. The Masters gives you a lot, but.

[Ryan Whitney]

I want all of it.

[Dan Katz]

I want more fair.

[Shane Bacon]

I want everything.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't care about golf except for the majors or if we have a bet on a guy that weekend. If like, just give. Just give you the golf. Give me the golf.

[Dan Katz]

Give me all of it. I agree.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't like when I wake up in the More on Saturday morning, it's like, oh, the Masters on. Let me just throw this on my TV while I'm doing other things. Why can't I have that on my tv?

[Dan Katz]

It is also the most peaceful tournament. So like, I don't even care. They don't even have to. They could show a shot every 10 minutes and as long as I have it on my TV, I'm gonna 100 correct.

[Hank]

Yeah, and they do that. Less commercials.

[Dan Katz]

Hank's been compromised. I don't even know.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hank just likes to defend all of the golf.

[Hank]

No.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You're defending the wrong golf here, bro. I just.

[Hank]

It's true.

[Dan Katz]

Thinks he's gonna play to Augusta someday. Max was like.

[PFT Commenter]

Max was like, I think we should be able to watch more golf. And Hank's like, no.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That doesn't add up.

[Dan Katz]

You want to play at Augusta?

[PFT Commenter]

Why would Hank say that?

[Dan Katz]

Do you want to play it Augusta? No. You don't want to play it Augusta.

[Hank]

I don't. There's no world where I'm playing Augusta. That's not even. There's zero percent.

[Dan Katz]

There's definitely not a world. You're playing Augusta. If you have a take like Max. Max is definitely not playing at Augusta.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you nagging the course?

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm opting out of playing.

[Dan Katz]

I also opt out because I want more golf.

[Hank]

Yeah. All right.

[Dan Katz]

Fair.

[Hank]

Me, too. The Masters.

[Dan Katz]

Why would you say that? Oh, we just dragged you down into the mud with us.

[PFT Commenter]

I also love the caddy uniform. The caddy uniforms are priceless. They're like little smocks that. They get them.

[Dan Katz]

Are you trying to play it Augusta?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Ryan Whitney]

You haven't opted out yet, though?

[PFT Commenter]

I might. No, I. I have opted. You. You forget, Big Cat, like three years ago on this show, I said, I don't want to play at Augusta. I'm not Augusta material.

[Dan Katz]

Fair.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm opting out. And you. You said you wouldn't want to play at Augusta. I would want to play.

[Dan Katz]

I would want to play at Augusta. But now I can't, because I'm saying the Master. I mean, I definitely would want.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been opting.

[Dan Katz]

I. Like, if they asked me, I absolutely.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hank's still allowed to putt, though. I just wanted to allow the pot.

[Dan Katz]

But the Masters. But if they actually did invite us, like, I would play it for the record.

[Hank]

I mean, we're never getting invited, but no one is getting invited.

[Dan Katz]

But we would.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. I don't know that I would. Because Augusta.

[Dan Katz]

I would.

[PFT Commenter]

Augusta would lose so much of its shine, so much of its stature for me, the second they invite me, I'm like, that's kind of gross, you guys. You guys are doing too much.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I'm Hank. You want to fuck the Masters? But you would.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Max, would you.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm never Max. I won't even.

[Ryan Whitney]

I won't even play on this show. I'm that bad.

[Dan Katz]

But you would.

[Ryan Whitney]

I would. I would not.

[Dan Katz]

If you were asked to play.

[Hank]

It sounds like he wants to play.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't want to play.

[Dan Katz]

If they asked you to play at Augusta on a fucking random day in July. I don't even know if it's open.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's closed.

[Dan Katz]

It's closed in July. Whatever. Whatever. It's open. Some Jeffrey Lurie calls you up and says, max, you're my number one Guy.

[Ryan Whitney]

I mean, do you want to go.

[Dan Katz]

Play Augusta with me? Well, that's how it would have to be, because it had to be some, like, crazy rich dude.

[Ryan Whitney]

But that wouldn't be to play at Augusta. That would be to play with Jeffrey Lord.

[Dan Katz]

So Jeffrey Lurie says, hey, Max, I. I'm not gonna make it, but I want you to play in my. In my place at Augusta.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, that would be Big Dom asking me.

[Dan Katz]

Or would it be Big John? I don't.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know who that is.

[Dan Katz]

That's a good question.

[PFT Commenter]

I would never play. Okay.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I'm not too bad at.

[PFT Commenter]

God.

[Hank]

Sydney Sweeney were to DM me, like, I. Like, I would never go out there, but if she DM me, I would go out there, too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, same.

[PFT Commenter]

If she's dmd, she's like, do you want to go out on a date?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, I would.

[Ryan Whitney]

That would be good for the show.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it'd be good. I would approve.

[Dan Katz]

It'd be really good for the show.

[Ryan Whitney]

You should work on that. Yeah, it would be better for.

[Dan Katz]

It would be better.

[Hank]

I work just as hard as that, as. As playing at Augusta.

[Dan Katz]

What do you think? I'd like to win the lottery. Never gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

You think Sydney Sweeney DMing you out of nowhere and being like, let's talk. Is more likely than. Than Augusta?

[Hank]

I think she'd want to, you know, go on a date, make sure we have chemistry. But. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No one plays it, like, way more likely. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You work on the. At the number one sports podcast in America, and you think it's more likely that Sydney Sweeney you than Augusta invites you?

[Dan Katz]

I kind of agree with him.

[Hank]

No one plays at Augusta.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I kind of agree with him.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, nobody fucks Sydney Sweeney either.

[Dan Katz]

Well, someone does.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think it's. I. I'm kind of on PFT side here.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's. I think that.

[Hank]

Don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, both are very unlikely.

[Dan Katz]

Hank is.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hank doesn't even want to watch the Masters.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I'm over two on my. On the 50 50. We're four Cubs games in.

[Ryan Whitney]

You probably didn't buy that many tickets, though.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I probably didn't buy that many tickets. They. You know what? Here's another thing. If we're ranting max, the 5050 now, they don't print out all your numbers. You just get one number. It's.

[Ryan Whitney]

What does that even mean?

[PFT Commenter]

You have to check a website.

[Dan Katz]

I get.

[PFT Commenter]

You're like, oh, I lost.

[Dan Katz]

I spend, like, 200, 300 every time they give me one number. I don' Understand it. I feel like I'm getting robbed.

[Ryan Whitney]

Do they give you like, from this number to this?

[Dan Katz]

No, it's just one number. I don't get it. I don't understand what changed.

[Ryan Whitney]

They're ro there.

[Dan Katz]

Do you think I'm just.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think you're getting robbed. I think you're getting robbed.

[Dan Katz]

Robbed.

[Ryan Whitney]

Make that make sense.

[PFT Commenter]

At the Blackhawks game, I think I bought 300 bucks worth of 50 50s. They sent me an email. Yeah, there's QR code. Yeah. I get an email with a bunch of numbers and then I click a button and then it takes me to a website that tells me that I lost the 50 50.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm like, I paid 300 to read a website.

[Ryan Whitney]

I also don't think that you should be able to buy 50 50s if you're not at the game.

[Dan Katz]

Agreed. That's. I would never want to win a 5050 if I wasn't there. Like, I get. People will send me, like, oh, this 5050 you can buy. It's like, dude, I gotta be there. For the record, go to the game.

[PFT Commenter]

I would like to win a 5050 at a game that I'm not at. I'll never enter. But in, in theory, I would like to get an email being not me.

[Dan Katz]

I guess actually in theory I would too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you probably.

[Dan Katz]

But I wouldn't count it as my 50 50.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. You just be like, I, I, I.

[Dan Katz]

Just won a lot of money.

[PFT Commenter]

I got paid money. Not I won the 50 50.

[Dan Katz]

It would be kind of like, like not pointing fingers in here, but like someone in this room saying that they've gotten the lottery ball when they clearly have not because it was someone else's lottery ball. That kind of situation. Like, if I wasn't at the game, I'm not going to count it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, that never happened.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Pft. Just got it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I nailed it.

[Dan Katz]

And memes still has not.

[PFT Commenter]

I got twice.

[Dan Katz]

Hey, what's going to happen first? Me win the 5050 or memes get the lottery ball?

[PFT Commenter]

What do you. I'm going to say, big cat win 50. Do you think Hank is going to impregnate Sydney Sweeney or memes is going get the lottery ball first?

[Dan Katz]

Better chance for Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank only does butt stuff, though.

[Dan Katz]

Hank is good looking.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Dan Katz]

My guy. Look at him today. He's wearing his Augusta green.

[Hank]

Not really, but yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, you are.

[Ryan Whitney]

Six pack coming.

[Hank]

It is.

[Dan Katz]

I can't wait. Is it, Is it going to be. Is it arriving before or after the dunk?

[Hank]

Before.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, okay. So you're Going six pack, then dunk.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm going six pack summer. And then once summer's over, I'm gonna. I'm gonna.

[Dan Katz]

Because it predates the dunk.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

You said you were gonna get six pack, like three years ago.

[Hank]

Yeah. And the time has come.

[PFT Commenter]

I think we all said that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Now, is there gonna be a real six pack, or is it going to be just like, oh, you got the dick. Dick bones.

[Hank]

We'll see. I mean, it might be like, you know, camera angles and stuff, but.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank]

Something will be there.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. We'll have Sydney SUNY come and judge. Yeah. If it's a real six pack or not. Okay. Let's do hot seat. Cool throw. And then we'll get to our interviews with Max Homa and Shane Bacon. Hot sea Cool Thrones, brought to you by our friends at Truly Truly Unruly Lemonade is here. And it combines the high elk fun of Truly Unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade. It's out now. Level up your lemonade. Eight percent abv. A hundred percent delicious. Four supercharged lemonade flavors. Bumping blue raz og original lemonade. Punched up pineapple wild pink. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Find truly unruly lemonade at a store near you or visit trulyhardseltzer.com it's about to be summer. It's about to be warm weather. There's nothing better than lemonade. Actually, there is. Truly unruly lemonade. 8% ABV. 100 delicious. Level up your lemonade this summer. It's official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Find truly unruly lemonade at a store near you or Visit truly hard seltzer.com.

[Hank]

Henry my hot seat is human society.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, I had this, too.

[Hank]

Direwolves.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, we all had dire wolves.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually put cats on my hot seat. But human society is good, too.

[Hank]

Romulus and Ramis Khaleesi, the world's first de extinct animals. Born October 1, 2024. They've been extinct for 10,000 years. And scientists used like, old DNA from fossils and just remade direwolves. This seems bad.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, the. The source I saw said that they use DNA that's like somewhere between 10,000 and 72,000 years old to recreate these wolves.

[Hank]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

But then. But then, Hank, I dug a little bit deeper and went to a better source. Alex Jones. And Alex Jones says that the wolf resurrection story is tied to gain of function bioweapon research. So I don't know if we should be so pumped up about these direwolves. Then I actually went back and read a real source, and they said that with these wolves, they took gray wolves and then they altered their genetics. So it's not like they're getting old DNA and just, like, duplicating them. They're taking existing gray wolf DNA and then going in and with it.

[Hank]

I mean, that's Plan of the apes.

[Dan Katz]

Well, is it Jurassic. I've never seen Jurassic Park, Jurassic park.

[Hank]

And Planet of the Apes.

[Dan Katz]

Is it more Jurassic Park?

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's more. The entire plot of Jurassic park was, there's a zoo and we found dino DNA and bingo, Dino DNA.

[Hank]

It's bad.

[Dan Katz]

This is really bad. Why are we doing this?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm okay with it. Because it does bring us closer to potentially doing an actual Jurassic park, which I think.

[Dan Katz]

Which would be bad.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be a great idea.

[Dan Katz]

Really bad.

[PFT Commenter]

You wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park?

[Dan Katz]

I didn't go see the movie.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but in real life, if. If there's a zoo and it's like, we got a T. Rex, and then over here we got Triceratops, and you could pet the Triceratops, you'd say, not for me.

[Dan Katz]

I think I just look from afar and by a. Farming on my phone.

[PFT Commenter]

Jurassic park is one of those things that it. It's a piece of art, and it's a book in a movie that's supposed to warn us about the dangers of playing God. To me, when I see that, I'm like, we should do that. I wanna. I wanna see dinosaur in real life.

[Dan Katz]

I think I'm good with the direwolf. I don't really want to. With the direwolf.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm cool with it.

[Dan Katz]

You need horses.

[Hank]

Yeah. It makes no sense. Although cool in Game of Thrones. But that's Game of Thrones.

[Dan Katz]

That's Game of Thrones.

[Hank]

I don't want real life to be Game of Thrones.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually didn't know that direwolves were a real thing outside of Game of Thrones.

[Hank]

Me neither. Until I saw. I thought it was, like, a parody thing. I thought I was reading, like, a Game of Thrones Twitter account, and I was like, oh, this is. This is real.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, this is bad.

[Max Homa]

Bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, you. You actually wouldn't go to a Jurassic Park?

[Dan Katz]

I didn't see the movie, no, but I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

You wouldn't go see a. I have.

[Dan Katz]

To see the movie first, and I'm not gonna see the movie.

[PFT Commenter]

I would go see Raptors. It'd be sweet, man.

[Dan Katz]

I'd Feel like, like a fraud going to the Jurassic park without seeing the movie first.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm the biggest loser. I've only seen Jurassic World. I've never seen Jurassic Park.

[Dan Katz]

That's worse than never seen.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm actually the same.

[Dan Katz]

Really?

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I love that.

[Dan Katz]

Love that. Yeah, I mean, I've had this theory. People know aws. No, I had this theory that everyone has one or two of these movies. We did a Mount Rushmore last year of just one or two of these movies you just didn't see and you just haven't seen. You probably won't see.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm gonna watch it.

[Dan Katz]

Shocks everyone.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm gonna watch it. That's prom. That's a promise to you.

[Dan Katz]

I, I don't care. I'm.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I'm, I'm telling you. Were you promising me the listener?

[Dan Katz]

That's a promise. I was like, I, I, you were looking right at me like, I don't give a if you watch it or not.

[PFT Commenter]

Didn't we say when we did the Mount Rushmore that whatever we put on our Mount Rushmore, we were making it a promise to never see?

[Ryan Whitney]

I didn't put that on my Mount Rush.

[Hank]

I will not be seeing it. My cool throne is Caitlyn Clark. A video footage released of her scoring 22 points in two minutes against an Iowa men's scout team in scrimmage. She was hitting like half court runners with a hand in her face. It, it looks like AI. It looks like one of those like, like old commercials, you know, like Michael Vick, LeBron when they shoot from full court or throw a football through the roof. Like she was just pulling up contested basically at half court, swishing everything.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Amazing.

[Hank]

Ultimate cool throne.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Also the ratings are like, yeah, I think it was 10 million less for the national championship this year.

[Hank]

And that's why clips like that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I mean, she's insane.

[PFT Commenter]

I still think Paige Becker is going to be a better pro.

[Hank]

No, Kayla Clark's really good.

[PFT Commenter]

I know, I know. I think Paige is gonna be better.

[Dan Katz]

I'm a juju guy. See if she gets back from her acl. Yeah. These shots are insane. Absolutely insane. Imagine being one of these guys that plays because these guys who play against the women's team are good basketball players.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Like, they're like guys who are good in high school. Actually, it looks like Max is playing center there. I don't know about that.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a lot of headbands out there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. Now that I'm looking at it again. Yeah, that's Max. Playing center.

[PFT Commenter]

The guy wearing like three shirts and sweating through all of them. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, these are impressive shots no matter who is playing on defense.

[Dan Katz]

Yes, agreed. Okay. Pfd. Your hot sequels are on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, Hank. Hank stole my. My hot too. Good job, Hank. Thank you. My cool throne is jinxes because I. I jinxed myself on Monday's part of my take. Hard. Hard. During the Uber eats ad reads, saying it had been like four, four and a half, five months since I hit the wrong place. I came in on. On Monday and I ordered my lunch to my house. Hank, by the way, Hank just got up and left in the middle of an episode. You'll see when we start to interview Shane Bacon.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Later on today's episode, he walks in and he does the nicest, most casual little stroll. Like he's out for a Sunday walk to. To pick up the paper at the end of the driveway. Have you ever seen the movie signs? Remember when the alien comes by for the first time? Yeah. That's what.

[Shane Bacon]

Hey.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's what Hank does across the camera. And then he sits down and. And Max is like, what's going on? Then Hank gets mad at Max.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

For telling him, hey, we started the interview already. He looks at his watch like, you guys are the ones.

[Ryan Whitney]

We started, I think a minute early maybe. And he was like, oh, we were starting at night maybe. He said, I thought we were starting at 9:45. And when he texted me, it was 9:45.

[Dan Katz]

What? What? Is something on fire? His. His. His car better be on fire the way he just walked out mid sentence on you.

[Ryan Whitney]

He did just say. He texted us saying, one second.

[Dan Katz]

Sorry, Pft. That was rude.

[PFT Commenter]

It was. I mean, it's not rude because I. I've come to expect this.

[Dan Katz]

That's true. That was literally mid sentence. He just stood up and left.

[PFT Commenter]

He's like, I got done talking about the video that I saw Dave tweet earlier and an article that I saw somebody else retweet yesterday. So I'm gonna get up. My job here is done.

[Dan Katz]

My job's done. See you guys. Where the.

[PFT Commenter]

What am I going to talk about for hot seat? Let me see what Dave said. All right. Yeah, I'll just say, oh, he's.

[Ryan Whitney]

He's gonna be so upset that this is. This conversation.

[Dan Katz]

I mean, you can't right in front of us and expect us to be like, oh, okay. If he had said something to us like, hey, I gotta go. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

He's probably jacking off. So you did the Uber, actually. All that master's talk. Yeah. So I. On Monday, I. The very next meal that I had after I made the statement of. With the hot streak I've had. Yeah. Just send it to the wrong place and it's. It's in my house still because I brought it in when I got home. That's such a sad thing to bring inside.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You're the front door and here's a. A six hour old lunch. Yeah. And you just bring it inside and put it and stare at it for the rest of the day.

[Dan Katz]

Don't say anything because I'm gonna use it as my hot seat because he's still mine.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So that's my. My cool throw is jinxes. So reset the. The counter to zero.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. My hot seat is. Hank. What was that?

[Hank]

I said sorry.

[Dan Katz]

What happened?

[Hank]

Someone was calling me like three times in a row. I thought it was an emergency.

[Dan Katz]

Who was it?

[Hank]

My buddy Jack. I didn't know what was going on.

[PFT Commenter]

Is Jack okay?

[Hank]

Yeah, it was.

[Dan Katz]

We thought there was like a car on fire.

[Hank]

I would have said it's an emergency. I just.

[Dan Katz]

Did you want it? We also talked about the fact that you walked sauntered right in front of the camera to start Shane Bacon. We.

[Hank]

I walked it at 4. Whatever. 9:44. And you. The interview was. Had started.

[Dan Katz]

Max has time stamps to say differently.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's not what I said.

[Max Homa]

That's not.

[Dan Katz]

What did he text?

[Ryan Whitney]

I literally said exactly that. I said the interview started in one minute. One minute early.

[Hank]

Yeah. I was confused. I thought I was like 15 minutes late because you guys were in. In rhythm.

[Dan Katz]

Is everything okay?

[Hank]

Everything's fine. I said what did you check? I would have said it's an emergency. No, I said I'm gonna call him back. I thought it was emergency.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't get the text until after you had left. And I was like. That was.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we were.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a confident.

[Dan Katz]

Just don't listen to the last five minutes.

[Hank]

I. I pre. I said one second. Sorry.

[Dan Katz]

That's text. Yeah. Yeah, you did. All right. That was my hot seat because I was direwolf too, so thanks. Actually, you know what? Credit to Hank, he gave me a hot seat.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

What? I didn't. I needed one. Yeah, I appreciate that.

[PFT Commenter]

What about hot seat Drake May? Because the Boston media is asking if Drake May is a little bit of a diva. Getting Joe.

[Hank]

Boston media?

[Dan Katz]

What happened? You're.

[PFT Commenter]

You are the Boston media.

[Dan Katz]

What happened?

[Hank]

Nothing, They're.

[Dan Katz]

It's.

[Hank]

They're looking for clicks. This is like a Tale as old as time.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Joe Milton wanted an opportunity to compete for a starting job.

[Hank]

Drake May doesn't make personnel decisions.

[Dan Katz]

I miss. This is actual story. No Drake Maze or Joe Milton's not. This is very funny because it's not like Joe Milton's been in the league for like five years. Like, it's my time. This isn't like a Steve Young, Joe Montana situation.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he would. He would like a place where he can compete to be a starter potentially at some point. I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like if he goes to. Okay. In his wildest dreams, if Dak gets injured, which probably that would never happen, but if it did and he got in and he played awesome, you could see a world where the Cowboys would be like, we're gonna go with. With Joe Milton down the line.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

If Drake May got banged up out for like four weeks, no chance he loses his job.

[Hank]

You guys are delusional about Joe Milton.

[Dan Katz]

I. I'm not. I think Joe Milton stinks.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I love watching Joe Milton.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm delusional about Joe Milton.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm. I am knowingly delusional.

[Dan Katz]

Saying, you. Do you think he's good?

[Ryan Whitney]

I think he is fun.

[PFT Commenter]

He's so fun.

[Dan Katz]

He's not good.

[Ryan Whitney]

We never said he was good. We said he was fun.

[PFT Commenter]

But when he's. But when he's good, I don't think.

[Dan Katz]

He'S very good fun to. I don't even think he's good enough to be fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he is. When he throws the ball and I go, dude, he threw an orange 106 yards.

[Dan Katz]

I saw it. And then he threw it. And then he threw an orange 106 yards on a five yard out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Whitney]

That sounds fun. That sounds fun. I wish he was on the Cowboys, me and Pete. I also bet on offline conversations about this.

[Dan Katz]

I bet on him the game that he went out of bounds at the end.

[PFT Commenter]

That was tough.

[Dan Katz]

That. That. I'll never think he's fun.

[PFT Commenter]

That was just. That was a not fun thing that he did. But what he. When he just lets it rip.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, then. My Cool Throne PFT alluded to this with our Shane Bacon interview. But the Cool Throne is the Masters food because the worst person you know has come out and said that it stinks. Ravel. This is like four or five days ago. He said, spoiler alert, talking about the Masters food. It tastes as good as the price. Not a single item outside Augusta national will get any attention on its merits. Alone. There, I said it. Thank God he said it.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks, Darren.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, needed that.

[PFT Commenter]

So this reasonably priced, I dare I say, even affordable sandwich that you can buy at. At the best golf tournament in the world that tastes very good, is not like Jose Andres chef quality. Okay.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, you know what? All the worst teams have the best food.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The White Sox didn't have incredible food.

[Dan Katz]

Didn't what Coastal Carolina said, free concessions for the entire year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Let people enjoy things.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I just. Just the worst. He really is the worst. It's really hard to like make the Masters not fun. He found a way to do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You think Ravel has like a 40 year old barbecue sandwich from Augusta, like in. In a glass case in his collectibles room?

[Dan Katz]

Probably, definitely. Or maybe like, probably a piece of the tree that almost killed someone would be more up his alley.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Katz]

If there's been a death in Augusta, he's definitely got the death certificate there. Has person died in Augusta, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, was it the dude that like one of the first guys that started killed himself in one of the lakes there?

[Dan Katz]

So he's got his noose.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's got the. He's got the bullet.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interviews. We've got Max Homa and then Shane Bacon talking more Masters before we do that. Hey dude. Hey dude. Have you tried hey dude shoes yet? They're unlike anything if you're on the hunt. But for your most comfortable pair of shoes, you've arrived at your destination. Hey dudes are the ultimate slip on shoes. Lightweight, breathable, and ridiculously comfortable. We're talking cushioned insoles that feel like little pillows under your feet, give you the support you deserve and the comfort you crave. With so many styles, hey dude has the perfect shoes to slip into every day. Find your perfect [e-mail] okay, here he is, our good friend Max home. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very special guest, our good, good friend. It is tradition. It's Masters week, so we have Max Homo with us. Max, thank you for coming on. Thank you for always showing up for the pod. I guess my first question is, how are you feeling?

[Max Homa]

I'm feeling about the Dodgers.

[Dan Katz]

Sorry, you didn't let me finish about the Dodgers.

[Max Homa]

Oh, we just lost a series, dude. Like, that's just unacceptable. It's really unacceptable. They shouldn't ever lose a series. So pretty devastated to have lost our second game of the season. Hopefully 160 and 2 is still alive.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it'd be nice.

[Dan Katz]

Shohei's pretty damn good. That's gotta feel good.

[Max Homa]

Fuck, dude, he's so good. I was thinking about it. There's so rare that there's an athlete that has hype in certain games and actually like pulls it off. Bryce Harper does it a lot. But Shohei, like last year, he needed, I think it was like two homers and a steal to get 50, 50 or something. He had the greatest baseball game of all time. And then last week or early this week, he had his own bobblehead night. Bottom of the ninth, first pitch sent it walk off. It's just like how the. Do you do this?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's get a great sense of the moment.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And congrats on your Lakers, by the way. All good. All things coming up, Max.

[Max Homa]

Dude, other than my own golf game, this shit is fucking on fire. Lately, everything. Maybe I needed to suck for my, my, my teams to thrive. I know Hanks Enjoyed watching LeBron. It's been quite the ride this season. I did not think they were going to be that good. So this is kind of shocking.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. So how, how, how, how's everything else going? I know it hasn't been the best start to the year. I actually have some things to pick you up. If you want. If you want me to. If you want me to. Just hop right into it, dude.

[Max Homa]

Hop in.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right. So I was looking it up. I have three different publications that called you a star or superstar. So the Daily Express said PGA superstar splits up with caddy on eve of Masters as statement issued. Then the Irish Star said masters star issues emotional statement after splitting from caddy days before August. We can just pretend the other stuff isn't happening with just the star is what we're focusing on. And the Mirror us said PGA Tour star splits with long term caddy just days before Masters. So that's pretty cool.

[Max Homa]

And those are three massive publications. I am subscribed to all three twice each.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, no, that feels good. All those, that was. Those are great headlines.

[Dan Katz]

Also, also I did some deep dives into some stats. Do you know that this year at the Valero, your last round that you played at the Valero, which is the tournament right before the Masters, you actually drove the ball farther than your last round at the Valero last year when you went and finished third in the Masters. And higher driving accuracy this year than last year in your last round at the Valero. And last year, your last round of the Valero, you shot a 70 this year, 71. So kind of right there.

[Max Homa]

I've honestly been looking for some momentum, and I can't lie, that is absolutely what I've been looking for. The only hard difference is my last round of Valero. Last year was on a Sunday, and this year was a Friday.

[PFT Commenter]

Last round. You missed the part where.

[Max Homa]

This last round. This is what I've been missing.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, you're a superstar. That's like, actually, you could say playing your best golf right now.

[PFT Commenter]

And you're probably exhausted last year, because you had to play twice as much golf the weekend before.

[Dan Katz]

True. Good point. That's.

[Max Homa]

Dude, all season, I don't think people. People use this chestnut, checkers things way too liberally. I am actually doing. I am the freshest person here. I have not played a weekend in over, like, a month and a half, and I. I have been getting more rest, more time on my couch. Like, all these guys are going to be exhausted by the time the tournament comes, and I am just cruising on it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So this might be a dumb question, but if we're trying to find silver lining here, are you at a point where you're able to just say, fuck it this week? Like, are we going to see fucking Max?

[Max Homa]

My wife kind of pointed out, she goes, this kind of just feels like a golf tournament this year.

[Dan Katz]

Does.

[Max Homa]

There's not a whole lot of hype for myself. So maybe it is just fly under the radar. Yeah, I think it's a good spot.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Also, here's a little tip for you. If things don't go well this week, just get your kid and put them on. On your lap for your interview. Use them as a human shield. That always works. Work for Nick Sirianni.

[Max Homa]

I have learned that from Sirianni.

[Dan Katz]

The.

[Max Homa]

The press conference is genius. I wrote it down. I said, if you ever Struggling human shield the kid, he'll. He won't remember. He's too young.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max Homa]

So I think that's.

[Shane Bacon]

That's.

[Max Homa]

That's always a play.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Hank, you have a question.

[Dan Katz]

He does. Later.

[PFT Commenter]

You were getting real. Hank was getting real close to the mic with an open mouth. So that's my cue that maybe.

[Hank]

I mean, I have questions. I can wait.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he's gonna wait. He has a couple questions. All right, so let's talk about it for real, though, because obviously it hasn't gone great. Your split with Joe sucks. Like, I mean, I don't want to, like, have you talk, like, at length about it, but, like, how does that. How did that conversation go? I had to have Sucked. You guys have been childhood friends. You've been together forever, but was it something that, like, you kind of felt like, all right, I got to change something? He probably feels it. We both feel it. And it's just like, this. Just the part of the game because everyone kind of goes through this.

[Max Homa]

Yeah. First and foremost, I didn't do it. So that. That was hard. I wasn't, like, massively shocked because it's obviously been really hard on him, but it's just. It's. It's tapu. I always promise that we were, like, friends first, and if he didn't want to do it, like, he obviously, like, I'd rather be his friend than. Than, like, stretch something out and, like, maybe we resent each other or whatever. So looking back now, it was. Was tough the first few days to, like, process, but looking back, like, I'm glad that, you know, he stepped up and did what he wanted to so that, you know, we won't. We don't have any, like, ill will against each other, so I think that was good. But, I mean, it does suck. Like, the dude is one of my favorite people on the planet. We've made, like, some awesome memories, so you don't ever want to, like, sully that, but it. Yeah, it's just. It's. I guess it's just the ebbs and flows of, like, life in this game, and it's stressful, and I think a lot of it, you know, we get shown so much, and, you know, we're making bogeys and birdies, but, like, there's a. We have a teammate that's going through it as well, and they don't have near as much control over if I'm doing well. He could have the best week of his, like, career as far as just, like, saying the right things and doing everything right, but if I'm not executing and it doesn't reflect well on him and, you know, it's a tough job, but it just sucks. But like I said, it's. I'm proud and happy that he spoke up when he felt that because, you know, you don't want to, like I said, drag some on and ruin our relationship for. I mean, it's been 28 years I've known him, so now we can just go back to being boys playing golf at home, and I still want to beat his ass when we play at home. So, yeah, nothing's really changed too much. I just might see him a little bit less.

[Dan Katz]

Was there a part of you in the first couple days after where you like, wanted to send him a text being like, why couldn't you just cheated on me? Like, why couldn't I call you with like another guy's bag or something? Like that would have been easier that way.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, honestly. Yeah, that would actually have been pretty awesome. Just he actually caddied the weekend at the players and I had to see it on TV and I caught you.

[Dan Katz]

Now your new caddy, how's he with like, people like, I don't think, I think the awls don't yell anything anymore, which I hope they, they've fallen in line. But have you given them any briefing with that?

[Max Homa]

I have not. I, I'm, I got. I. There was a great, great awl like, contingent last week in San Antonio and I heard, you know, some spicy meatballs. And I keep waiting for him to ask me, but I'm going to wait for him to ask before I bring it up. This week won't be a good one for him to know because I don't think anyone's got the guts to yell here.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

But next week, next week is the two year anniversary of that lady called me a pervert. And Joe wanted to lose his mind. That's when he started his hiatus against you guys. So I think, I think we might have some explaining next week, but I'm waiting for him to ask.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What's the process like for finding a new caddy? How do you evaluate the guy and be like, I think, I think you could work with me. Yeah.

[Max Homa]

It's kind of messed up because, like, I, like, you know, since it wasn't obviously, like I said, my idea, I hadn't really, like thought about it at all. I called, I, I thought about it for a while. It's kind of a weird time of year because like, this doesn't. It's not. You know, sometimes in the off season there's like a. Always seems to be like a mass exodus and there's some shifts going on. But I called Bones, who's like one of the greatest caddies, if not the greatest caddy of all time, legend, one bunch of majors and all that. And I called him for advice. I was like, what, what, what do you think I should do? Who should I hire? And he mentioned my caddy's Bill Harkey, and he's like, I think you should call Bill. And I've actually had Bill filled in for Joe once when Joe had something going on a year or two ago. And I don't. It just had slipped my mind. So it was like perfect. Advice. So gave Bill a call. Fortunately, he was free. And, yeah, last week, obviously didn't go great with the actual scores, but I thought the vibe was really good. We get along. It's tough because he's a Bay Area guy, so he likes the Giants and the warriors, so that's like a bit of a. Of a clash. But it does give me a reason to, like, talk shit to him, and I think I am at my best when I'm talking shit. So I need. I need my teams to keep being good and the Giants to keep sucking, although they're kind of good this year, and I think that might. That might. That might be, like, the catalyst.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Did the. Did the thought cross your mind? You know, Jersey, Jerry's got some caddying experience. No.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[Max Homa]

Ever since he DM me. Ma.

[Dan Katz]

What did he say?

[Max Homa]

Remember, I think I text you, big cat. He DM me. He goes, hey, Matt would love the caddy for you sometime. And I texted you something about Gary. Text and messaged me, and you're like, oh, I did tell him that you go by Matt. I'm pretty out on Nice guy. Funny guy.

[Dan Katz]

I don't think we would.

[Max Homa]

We would work too well together.

[Dan Katz]

He.

[Max Homa]

He seems. He seems like a liability. Yes. At least at Augusta, there's just no. No way they'd let him in here.

[Dan Katz]

No. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you vape at Augusta? That's. That might be a breaking point for him.

[Dan Katz]

I don't know.

[Max Homa]

I think all. Any question you have, Jerry would find out within the first day on Monday.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. You also, like. It would definitely by day two, you would have to carry your own bag because Jerry would be like, my legs hurt too much. I'll still be here.

[Max Homa]

That's a fact.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. So. So. And obviously, the. The game. We're working on stuff. Is it there. You made a lot of changes because you have the caddy change. You changed. You changed your swing coach. Right.

[Max Homa]

I've changed damn near everything. Yeah. It's been chaotic. Clubs, coach, trainer, caddy, clothes.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Max Homa]

I kept my beard.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

Somebody told me to shave, go back to the mustache. They thought that might fix it, but I just thought that. That. That would be one change too many.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just a soul patch.

[Dan Katz]

That would also bring back the pervert comments.

[Max Homa]

Exactly. I just. I feel like that's dying down, and I just can't. I can't make that. Although. Although. When that was going on, I was playing pretty fucking well.

[Dan Katz]

Don't.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Listen, I don't want to bring it.

[Max Homa]

Back, but it just if you want. It's like I sacrificed it and it was. It went. It went wrong.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. If. Listen, we. We. We can hit the nuclear code, but we're not going to. But you just tell us if you give us the word.

[Max Homa]

I think I need that pressure on me to play well without having to hit that button, because I don't want that at all.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Max Homa]

But, like, just maybe I need to know that if.

[Dan Katz]

That.

[Max Homa]

If it comes to it, like, we might need to do it. Maybe that will motivate me better than just supporting my family and eating food.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we're.

[PFT Commenter]

We're happy to threaten you with that as much as you need. Like, just. Just know that we might do it. We might go, like, Hank might go rogue and be like, okay, it's time to. Let's go back to the old us.

[Dan Katz]

Let's go.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, I gotta. I gotta tell y'all a story I don't think I've told you guys. I think it was last year at Bay Hill is the tournament. It's Arnold Palmer's tournament. And every year we get there, I'm always, like, reminded from his stories how good he was with the fans. And sometimes, you know, I can get my head down. I hope I haven't told you guys this already. And so I was like, you know what I'm gonna do better? I'm gonna, you know, know, be more open, you know, when I'm playing and whatever. And on Wednesday, I'm signing autographs, walk into between holes. And this. This older guy comes up, he goes, hey, do you mind signing something for my son? And I. You typically don't personalize stuff because, one, you can just write their name on it and they will never know it wasn't me. But he asked me to do it. I was like, you know what? I'm going to turn a new leaf. So I said, yeah, what's your son's name? And he says, whatever. And I write, dear him. And then his dad's like, yeah, can you just say, you know, happy birthday, so and so from your favorite pervert? And I'm like, writing all this as I go, and I get to that, and I just stopped. I'm like, here you go, man. Like, did you hear what you just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Said, like, to an adult?

[Max Homa]

And I just, like, had to leave. I was like, that shows you why you don't turn new leaves. Keep it the same.

[Dan Katz]

That's incredible.

[Max Homa]

This guy was 60. He has no idea what's going on. He didn't even second guess his son.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's Amazing. So, so. So with all the changes, are you. Do you feel. I've read some of the stuff you talked, and the one thing that I always give you credit for is, like, you were very open about what you're going through and trying to figure it all out. Do you feel like you're starting to turn a corner with all this change? Because it is a lot of change.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, the change actually hasn't. It's just been the swing changes and, like, it's complicated like, to explain because, I mean, people think I'm crazy. I think my wife thinks I'm nuts. But it feels. Feels incredible. Like, it. It's feel. It's felt better and better every week. There's little things in, like, tournaments that it's just, I don't trust things. And, like, I have new misses. And, you know, golf is, you know, the cliche is it's a game of misses, so you kind of play off like, you know, I typically always miss the ball. Right. Like, my whole career, and now it's been less of that. But I have, like, this. It's like a subconscious fear of. Right. So it's like trying to just get comfy. But, like, I literally. I just played the front nine at Augusta about three hours ago. I had the craziest day ever. I shot like seven under and nine holes. I know it's in there, but I've been doing that a decent amount just in practice. Like last week, my practice Monday to Wednesday was a joke. And then I go out there and I'm four over through four in the tournament when it matters. So all this to be said, it does feel good. But, I mean, obviously it's got to show up when it actually matters at some point. But it's not for lack of effort. And I don't mind, you know, talking about it and being vulnerable. Vulnerable about it, because I do know that, you know, some people like to just play cool and, you know, just avoid it. But I do think that you owe stuff to the fans at times. And I've been really lucky to have some pretty awesome support from everybody, especially, you know, through you guys in the awl. So I don't. I mean, it doesn't, like, like, hurt me to talk about what I'm going through. I know I'm trying my ass off to not suck.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

And I do think that's important. But it does suck to suck. So at some point, hopefully, this flips around. Hopefully. This week, I didn't necessarily prove I could win, as you always ask about this Tournament, but I can sure.

[Dan Katz]

Shit.

[Max Homa]

Get third.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

And third sounds okay, right about.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like we're close if you're shooting seven under on a practice race.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just nine holes.

[Dan Katz]

That's moving.

[PFT Commenter]

We're very close, man.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And also, I would imagine, like, I know obviously you have to do it on the weekend and you have to do it in the tournament, but I would imagine that it's a lot better of a problem when you know that you can do it in practice and then it's maybe not showing up versus, like, if you just sucked in practice, too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

That would probably be like, holy shit, do I just suck at golf now?

[Max Homa]

That was. That was kind of the whole thing of last year, like, pretty much after Augusta, right after May, like, every week. Week. My practice wasn't very good. I wasn't playing well at home, and it felt like when I got to the start of the round on Thursday, like, I. I was. If it didn't go well, like, I kind of knew it wasn't going to because I just, like, didn't really feel good about it. I could piece some things together here and there, but it wasn't good. And then kind of early this year through, like, the middle of January, it felt similar where it just was, like, is just didn't feel great. And then it clicked around. It clicked at the Waste Management in Phoenix. Again, I. I grasp this all sounds crazy because I've missed all these cuts since, but I started to feel good, and when I was home, it felt good. And some practice rounds were really good, and, like, definitely haven't felt like that. It's more frustrating, I guess, in a way, because when I do go to Thursday, I'm, like, super jazzed to play. And then I bogey the first few, and I'm in the same exact spot, but I see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just think the tunnel's, like, really, really long. Like, way too long.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I. Listen, I. I think you think that you're close, and I believe you. So.

[Max Homa]

Hey, thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

I want. I. I want this to be the weekend. That'd be great if this was, like, the start of the turnaround for Max.

[Max Homa]

That sounds so nice.

[PFT Commenter]

Think about that.

[Dan Katz]

You have to.

[Shane Bacon]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

If you finish top 10, you have to come back on the show on Monday, dude.

[Max Homa]

A hundred percent. I'll take that as, like, a victory lap at this point.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Deal. So one of the big changes at Augusta this year. Here is the app the Masters App. The best app in sports. I assume that you download the app before you go there. We're gonna get to see every single shot from the range sessions from everybody.

[Max Homa]

Oh, for real?

[PFT Commenter]

So yeah, so now we're gonna be like, oh, he's hitting the ball well at the range. Yeah. And then we're going to be able to figure out if we want to bet on that guy or not. In your experience, have you always played the best after you have good range sessions, or is it one of those things where you've had the worst range sessions and then gone out there and shot the best round of your life?

[Max Homa]

I've rarely done the ladder. Um, I've had some like surprisingly good rounds after having terrible warm up sessions, but like arranged sessions but never like the best round. I also have, you know, had the best range sessions of my life and then gone out and laid an egg. So I'm not a good one to like base it off of. I do know there's some guys. I've seen Justin Thomas do it. I remember he walked off a range in Chicago like four or five years ago at the BMW and he. I went to go say hi to him and he was white as a ghost. And I was like, man, that must have been a bad warm up. And then he went out and shot something like 62. And I texted him like a couple days after. I was like, what the hell, dude? Like, you look like you were gonna cry. He goes, that was the worst warmup I've ever had in my life. And he ended up winning the golf tournament. I'm not quite, like, I can't. I haven't quite done that one yet. So definitely like, I need, in a way, some kind of good juju as the warm up goes. But I've seen some guys hit some awful golf shots. And you go out and you think to yourself, oh, he's, he doesn't have. And you look at the leaderboard and he'll be right near the top. So I think it's. It's to each their own on that one.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about when you're practicing on the range when you're getting ready for a round? Because when I go out there, I'm like, I'll hit like four shots with every club and then hope that maybe like two out of the four look like golf shots. They go up. Yeah, they're relatively straight. Then they go like kind of far. That's what I'm hoping for. What are you doing on the forward?

[Max Homa]

Yeah, forwards. Good. I'm Similar, man. I'll take, I'll take maybe three out of four. Each club would be good. I should. Maybe that's what I should do. PFT is hit each every one of my golf clubs on the range.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

And just start eliminating the ones that aren't working. Yeah. Yeah. I'm more like. I run through a little bit of technique stuff, but then I try to just like, like I work my way up towards driver, but I, I try to hit, you know, left to right, straight right to left. And part of it is to like get them clean and better. But also part of it is like, if one of those shots feels like, try to like avoid it when I'm out on the course. And then, you know, fix it. Fix it in post for your guys world. But yeah, so it's just like kind of. Somebody once said it, you're just kind of getting the engine running. Like, don't look too much into it. Try to take some away from it. But like, like, like you said there, there's days where like my driver feels bad on the range and I'll go out on the course and strike the first few and. And it, it doesn't matter. So I think not attaching yourself too much to the range session is probably the key. Although I'm not the greatest at that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. So the other change you made, which I actually am a very big proponent of, I wish I could. I. I actually texted you right after. I was like, I'm jealous. You. You. You're off Twitter. I'm kudos to you. I wish that we could do the same. It is our job.

[Max Homa]

You are so stuck.

[Dan Katz]

It's a little different than like, actually it would be. It would be the same thing if I was like, I'm. I quit golfing. And then you text me like, dude, I'm so jealous. I wish I could. So we. Yeah, we can't quit Twitter, but. So you're off Twitter and some things have happened in the last month. So I, I compiled just a list of things that you miss and I. If you wanted to just be aware of them. So that way you have a little bit of a base knowledge because you're not on.

[Max Homa]

I didn't even know about this app. So hit me.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay. All right. So there's this dude, Ashton hall, who does these videos. Where.

[Max Homa]

Oh, he's on TikTok.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right. So you're on TikTok. So you got him.

[Max Homa]

I saw that guy.

[Dan Katz]

Weird thing. Also a TikTok guy. Have you seen the door dash Guy that he kicks the door dash order, and then he gives the doordash person to the delivery person a bunch of cash. And then he whispers to him. I. Yeah, he whispers to him. I have four dead bodies in my basement. And then the person just, like. Person's like, all right, cool, dude. Like, you gave me the cash. I'm not gonna tell anyone. They're pretty cool. I'll send you one of those.

[Max Homa]

That one's wild.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, wild, wild. Let's see. I saw a guy get trampled to death by an elephant. That was fucking crazy. Yeah.

[Max Homa]

The murder stuff on X, the Everything app has gotten a little. That was definitely a part of the. The departure.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's part of the everything.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's part. That is the.

[Max Homa]

I guess they're not lying. It's everything.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Rizzler threw out the first pitch of the Mets game, and. Pretty good pitch.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually didn't see that.

[Max Homa]

Is that he's the kid, right? That does the job.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Minecraft is, like, a big thing. Everyone's just talking about it. There's, like, brain.

[Max Homa]

I still don't get that. I don't really know what that is. Yeah, I'm okay with that, too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, Torpedo bats.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, I've noticed that one. Nine home runs, first game.

[Dan Katz]

Yup, you got that one.

[Max Homa]

Could you imagine Ohtani with a torpedo?

[Dan Katz]

Bet would be sick. I got my account suspended because I pretended to be hacked. So that I heard.

[Max Homa]

I mean, I do get that on the.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, that was, I think, pft. You said it was the. The Boy who Cried wolf.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He pretended to get hacked so much that when he actually got hacked, nobody believed that his account actually got shut down.

[Dan Katz]

It was.

[PFT Commenter]

It was poetic.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And then. And then Rico Bosco drove a Greyhound bus. He. Well, he wrote a Greyhound bus from New York to San Antonio. You probably missed that because you weren't on Twitter.

[Max Homa]

For real?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. He lost a bet, so.

[Max Homa]

Oh, shit. Max had to be stoked.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he was very excited. So pretty much what this exercise was. You've made the right decision. You have missed absolutely nothing. Well, outside of maybe Rizzler, the Mets game. That one you should have. Max.

[PFT Commenter]

For the. For the last, like, three months, we've all been pretending that the SEC sucks at basketball because they have a.500 record.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So you missed out on that one.

[Dan Katz]

I can't.

[Max Homa]

I can't live in a world where they're. They're good at football and basketball.

[Dan Katz]

It's.

[Max Homa]

It's painful.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So you missed nothing. So good job getting off Twitter. I. I am very jealous.

[Max Homa]

That felt nice.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, when you. It's one of those things where if you leave the Internet for an hour, you feel like you missed everything. And then if you leave the Internet for a week, you're like. Like, oh, I didn't miss, like, nothing, really.

[Max Homa]

You know how nice it is to have someone come up to me or. Or text me a video and be like, look at this video. And me not have to lie and be like, oh, wow, so funny. I didn't. Totally didn't see that three days ago. I knew it before I even opened it. Like, it's got embarrassing. At some point, my wife and I talk about the videos now. She'll be like, you'll never believe this. And I'm like, no, you're right. I would not have ever known that. Instead of lying and being like, oh, no, I didn't. I saw that while lost driving.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah, right?

[PFT Commenter]

So you also get to hear people explain to you Internet stories, and they. They have to explain to you why they're important.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it always takes like 30 seconds.

[Max Homa]

Whoever the new Rizzler becomes, at some point, I want to meet somebody who has to explain that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Okay.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. Yes. That's. Yeah. Because explaining the Rizzler to. To common folk is very. It's very difficult to do.

[Max Homa]

It's a.

[Shane Bacon]

You.

[Max Homa]

You can't. It's a. It's a no win. And then if you start to talk about how his dad's not the Costco guy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. To have that conversation too. It's like, oh, now I get it. That's his son. Actually, no. He has a son.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And he's that guy.

[Max Homa]

Hank, do you have, like, quasi adopted this?

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have any questions for our dear friend Matt?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Matt.

[Hank]

Hey, what's up? Big fan.

[PFT Commenter]

Still map with a P. Matt, love.

[Hank]

What you're doing over on Tik Tok. I just had, you know, my personal golf game. Something I've been working on this upcoming season is. Is maybe taking more club and having a little more control than trying to hit the perfect number. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that going into the year.

[Dan Katz]

Good question.

[Max Homa]

That is a great question. That was way more serious than I thought. That's an awesome. That is awesome. There's a saying when it's breezy, swing easy, so just implied employ that no matter if it's not windy at all. Does any of this have to do with the fact that PFT bombs it by you, and then you felt for a while like you needed to have an E. Go.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Only on the driver, but yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's more. I'm just trying to. I'm trying to eliminate the big mistakes and just try trying to hit consistent shots.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you mean? Only on the driver? Like, that's the only club that I hit farther than you.

[Hank]

Well, consistent. I mean, you can't really hit the other clubs.

[PFT Commenter]

That's fair. I quit. I quit playing golf. I'm only focusing on driving.

[Max Homa]

Wait. It sounds like he hits all of the clubs two out of four times. Very well.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good point. He also.

[Hank]

Yeah. His distance. He. He hits it far, but it's usually like 20ft over the green. Green. But that's. That's.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And I always feel awesome. I'm like, damn. I even. I clubbed down on that one and went too far. That's. That's actually the best way to play golf. I've always said, Max, that it's way better to suck at golf than it is to be really good at golf. Because if you. If you're really good at golf, you hit one bad shot and you're like. And you get super pissed off. I suck at golf. If I hit one shot that looks like a golf shot per hole, I'm like, this is awesome. Playing golf is so much.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Max Homa]

I've been trying to do that. Like. Like when I hit a really good shot, I'll just sit there and be. And look around at my team and be like, let's just soak that one in, huh?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's such a. It's such a pure piece of joy. I love it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

Yeah. I do miss that. Hank, I think you're on the right track, though. I. I respect that you've come to that. That. That is how I would say the. That's the road to good is to eliminate the. The big mistakes by not over swinging.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Dan Katz]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Also implying that you're not good right now.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm not.

[PFT Commenter]

You're on the road to good.

[Hank]

Another question we. You know, you and I, back in the day, used to run around for dance, collecting win after win in Call of Duty.

[Max Homa]

We're back.

[Hank]

I saw the map came back. I was. I was curious if you're gonna get back into the game.

[Max Homa]

I'm a hundred percent getting back. I have one more tournament after next week, and I will be back. My two of my buddies are coming this week, and they're like, my crew. I play with Josh and Steven and Zach and. And Josh text. He's never come here before, and he texts me. He goes, dude, is it cool if I bring the Xbox and we game in the living room? I'm like, no, dude, that's, like, straight up not cool. I have my whole family here. I have my wife's friends here. I also have to sleep, so we're not gonna rip.

[Dan Katz]

Also, outside of him taking over your rental house in Augusta to play Call of Duty, I would be like, it's not cool, because I would just be pissed I'm not playing with you guys, like, walking practice.

[Max Homa]

And they wouldn't even come to the range with me. They'll just be gaming.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Dan Katz]

That guy. That. Wait, that was Josh who said that? Yeah. Josh rocks. Dudes rock. Josh, you're.

[Max Homa]

You're.

[Dan Katz]

You're welcome to play with Hank anytime. Cause that guy. Fucking rock. He's got his priorities set.

[Max Homa]

No, he's. He's Priorities. His. His. His. His priorities are always in check. He is definitely usually. My buddy Stephen. He comes every year, is my wife's punching bag, and I guarantee you Josh takes over that this year.

[Dan Katz]

Max.

[PFT Commenter]

One thing that. That Hank is good at in golf is putting. He's become a good putter. And. Oh, yeah, I don't know if we've asked you this question before, but I'm always curious to know, like, at Augusta, if you dropped someone who's on the road to good, like Hank, but maybe a decent putter if. If he got to start every hole at Augusta, the. From the furthest point away from the hole on the green, so he just has to put. What do you think a guy like Hank would shoot? Like, how hard are these greens?

[Max Homa]

They're. They're. If you got to actually place it on, like, what's the worst spot you could go to?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah. The farthest spot every time.

[PFT Commenter]

Farthest or worse, depending on the hole.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean that. I mean, he wouldn't shoot, like, like, in the 80s, but how many times.

[Hank]

You think you're going off the green? Like. Like more than half early.

[Max Homa]

I think you would catch on, but early, you're probably sitting at, like, a 60, 40. No, that's too high. Like, a 40, 60 rate. I just think you would three putt, like, a lot, and you might sprinkle in a four putt. I do think you would two putt as the day went on, because not every green's crazy, but you would just. I mean, God, that's a Thing. I would never suggest doing that.

[Dan Katz]

That would. Would.

[Max Homa]

That would humble you. That would kill that. That would suck.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

Like, because you would start on the green and still be making threes and fours a lot, so that would be tough.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that'd be a good video.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, Augusta, you let. You let. Dude, perfect. Go down there with your tennis rackets. Yeah.

[Max Homa]

What the hell?

[PFT Commenter]

Laser tag. And on the fairways down there. Just let Hank putt.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, let Hank putt. I like that. All right, Max, I got one last question. It's been fun catching up with you. Where do you go? Oh, you have one last question. I have one.

[Shane Bacon]

What?

[Hank]

Favorite hole.

[Dan Katz]

All right, a favorite hole.

[Max Homa]

Bucket. We did this last time.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, but. But do you have a new favorite?

[Max Homa]

I. I can't get stuck in the same position as I was last time, so I'm just gonna say the 13th hole at Augusta. The golf hole.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. No, the actual correct answer is mouth.

[PFT Commenter]

Mine's the vagina.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, I know. I. I wrote it down after last year's, but didn't have the guts.

[Dan Katz]

All right, my last question. Roback question. R, H, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take real question. So you're. You're competing this week in the Masters? PFD and I are actually competing in a similar, you know, tournament. We're in the mini. The barstool mini golf tournament that is taking place.

[Max Homa]

Oh, you did that last year, right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So. So PFT and I are on the same team. We're doing teams doing Ryder cup style. I am a. I am quintessential, like, start hot and then just slowly, like, fade away and just become a head case. Are there any tips for putting and just not being an asshole at the end of the rounds like I usually am?

[Max Homa]

I don't know if I'm the right guy to ask.

[Dan Katz]

No, you are. It's mini golf, dude.

[Max Homa]

The best advice for the mini golf thing is just, like, be. Sorry, guys, my phone was dying. I'm just on the move. Move. Be. What the. Hold on, guys. We're about to have a.

[Dan Katz]

A problem. We'll keep this in.

[Max Homa]

Phone's about to die. Here, let's try this one by the toaster.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no. It'd be funny if Josh was already there and he already, like, up a breaker.

[Max Homa]

Yeah, he probably short circuited this joint. Creativity, dude. Just be creative. Be a kid again. You know, mini golf is for. For kids.

[Dan Katz]

I'm gonna be. I'm gonna become a kid again. I'm gonna become a kid again.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have any. Do you have any, like, funny one liners that you can say when you're putting? Because I. I feel like I've heard them all. There's always an old guy on the course that's like the putts, like my. My junior prom. All lips, no hole. You know, that sort of thing really get the boys laughing out there.

[Max Homa]

That.

[Dan Katz]

That's.

[Max Homa]

That's a Pretty much a banger. There's some. Like, if you hit one, didn't feel great, you say.

[Dan Katz]

That'S. Or.

[Max Homa]

And it goes in a decent spot. You say something like, that's a condom. It didn't feel great, but it's safe.

[Dan Katz]

That's.

[Max Homa]

That's a. That one usually gets a couple chuckles.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

The junior prom one's, like, all time, though. Like, I don't know really how you beat that one. You're the jokes guy. I feel like you can make. You should start your own first one.

[PFT Commenter]

I could. Yeah. Tell you what. I'll write a couple bangers for it. I. I think it was actually when we were walking with you at the BMW here in Chicago ago, there was one of the guys that was in your pro end.

[Shane Bacon]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And he said that joke, I think, four times.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

In six holes, like, he kept saying. But there were different people around him. So he got to do the material again.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, dude. He got. He got to.

[Max Homa]

He got to live, like, he got to live the.

[Dan Katz]

The. The.

[Max Homa]

The most genuine laugh.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

That's the tough part about these programs is they. I mean, golf doesn't have, like, loads of jokes or lots of funny people. And we abused the same joke over and over over again. So you should be our hero, and please give us a new joke.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Left at a foot. Short story in my life. Oh, that's a good one. Because I'm short.

[Dan Katz]

Nice.

[PFT Commenter]

That'll get some. Like, you don't want to.

[Max Homa]

If only I had a couple more inches.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, you don't want. You don't want to have any really funny jokes. They all have to be, like, just kind of neutrally funny. Yeah. Just like a quick laugh, and we move on.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan Katz]

They're all like that.

[Max Homa]

Did you get that?

[Dan Katz]

Right?

[Max Homa]

Yeah. You guys get it? And then everyone's like, yes, I'll get in the laugh. But then they take it and do the same thing.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max Homa]

It's all good.

[Dan Katz]

All right, Max, you're the best man. Thank you. And let's go, let's go, let's go fucking shoot some, some low scores at Augusta.

[Max Homa]

Let's talk the world.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You can do it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, just maybe, maybe put like a picture of Shohei in your wallet and just look at him for inspiration. Like if he can be so awesome, so can I.

[PFT Commenter]

Would the golf equivalent of Shohei be like a guy that can pitch and hit?

[Dan Katz]

Caddy and golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Caddy and golf.

[Dan Katz]

It's a low bar, right?

[Max Homa]

We, we actually discussed that. It would be like Scotty Scheffler playing golf both right and left handed and kicking our ass both ways.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I think it would just be you guys just not being and carrying your own bag. It's that low.

[Max Homa]

Oh, that's actually way simpler and also feels way shittier. But you're actually not being a. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, just carry your bag or, or.

[Max Homa]

Get a, a, a federal investigation. We haven't had one of those. I don't think out here. So. Yeah, yeah, we need to branch out.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. Thank you, Max. You're the best man. And yeah, let's, we're rooting for you. So let's go do it.

[Max Homa]

Appreciate you guys.

[Dan Katz]

Hey, hey.

[Max Homa]

I love you guys.

[Dan Katz]

Love you too, Max.

[PFT Commenter]

You're gonna be great.

[Max Homa]

See you.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay. We now welcome on a very special guest recurring guest. It is one of the, it actually is the best week of golf of the year. It is Masters week. We have Shane Bacon here. Shane will be on one of the feeds for masters.com all week week, so make sure you check that out. Shane, Masters week. There's nothing better. How are the vibes? Are you in Augusta already?

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah, in Augusta, vibes are high. Weather yesterday, not ideal obviously. It rained just like all afternoon, all evening, kind of rained into the night. But I think the weather the rest of the week is going to be pretty epic. So vibes are high. Rory's all fired up. A lot of players very, very excited about, about what the golf course looks like and how it's going to play. Obviously had some, some, some damage from some of the weather, you know, like late last year. But I think the golf course is actually gonna play a little bit better because of it.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, I like to hear that because we were saying like there's nothing that bums you out more than like looking at the forecast of Masters week and seeing, like a day where it's going to be, you know, they're not going to play or the rain's going to affect it. So that's great. Now let's. I don't know what direction we want to go in. I guess, actually the most interesting storyline to me is this does feel, and you can judge this statement. This feels like. Like this is going to be one of the best chances that Roy McElroy has to win the Masters because he is playing really good golf. Where is it mentally, though? Because that's kind of it for Rory the last few years, where it's. He's. It's not that he's been playing bad. It's that these, you know, tragic things keep happening at the end of championships or big tournaments. Is it. Is it there in between the ears for Rory this week?

[Shane Bacon]

You know, it feels like it is. You know, Rory, when he was winning major championships, he was kind of the. The badass, if you will, that walked around the golf course. And I think Rory is such a normal person that as he's gotten a little bit older, he's lost a little bit of that. And it seems like it's back this year. I mean, just the way even at the players, you know, he kind of loses the lead late, steps up in that playoff and hits like a 335 yard drive right down the middle. And it's like, yo, bro, come and catch me now. So I like the way he's gone about his business this year. I like the way he's talking. He gets very excited about this tournament. I think a few years ago, you know, he holds that bunker shot and said, it's the first positive vibes I've had here in about a decade. And obviously the game is there. I mean, I think that's more important even than the mental side of it is, are you playing well? He's never won this many times on the PGA Tour headed into the Masters. And I mean, I think he's the favorite. You know, you can say Scotty's the favorite. Obviously, Scotty's done some epic stuff over the last couple years, but just in terms of playing good golf, Rory's playing as good at golf in the early part of the season as he's ever played.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And stealing people's phones, that's the edge. That's the asshole Rory that maybe needs to come back.

[Shane Bacon]

Tough to do it here, though, you know, tough spot to steal phones that.

[PFT Commenter]

Might throw him off. But it is maybe the most Epic scenery ever to speed away after a disappointing loss. Right. Like just peeling out down Magnolia Lane.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming you still have to abide by whatever the speed limit is down that road, but not in Georgia. That's not.

[PFT Commenter]

Kirby Smart would disagree.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that's true.

[PFT Commenter]

So I had a question for you because I saw a journalist that's down there that had a. An interesting take on the scenery and the vibe at Augusta. Wanted to get your thoughts on it. This individual said not a single food item at Augusta national would get attention were it not for the cheap price. What would you score that take?

[Shane Bacon]

It's. It's a. It's a really bad take. Is that rev? Was that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

That said that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah, that's a.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't know.

[Shane Bacon]

That's a bad one. It's a. It's a pretty brutal one. I mean, you know, like, I sit in this booth. Booth here for six or seven hours a day. Starting on Thursday, I will have three pimento cheese sandwiches a day. Likely. That's where I lean. I know you've had. You've had one before. Pft. But, you know, I. I think the food is great, and I think the ice cream sandwich is like one of the best ice cream sandwiches in the world. And obviously the prices help, but you'd eat this stuff away from the golf course. You'd eat this stuff away from the Masters.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's tough to make a bad pimento cheese sandwich, too. So as long as it's fresh, then I think that's like.

[Dan Katz]

I think the deal.

[Shane Bacon]

Like, if you mess that up, maybe don't cook.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right, Exactly. You go ahead.

[PFT Commenter]

I was just going to ask an actual question about a golfer. John Rom is a guy that I'm keeping my eyes on.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So according to, I think, the world golf rankings, he's not playing good golf right now. But when you look at how he's actually been playing, when you watch him play, it seems like he's very capable of winning. Do you think that John Rom has a chance to come back and win again? 10.

[Shane Bacon]

Absolutely. I mean, I think he's probably in my top three favorites headed into this week. Interesting fact about John rom. He's played 18 live events in his career, never finished outside the top 10. Now, you know, it's not as deep fields as you obviously see on the PGA Tour at major championships, but top tens are top tens, and you're beating a lot of people in that regard. He's played solid this season as well. I think last year in terms of the way John Rom had to go about his business, joining live, comes to all the majors, even talked about it today in his press conference. It was awkward. I mean, and it was awkward for him to be answering those kind of pre tournament questions, always about why'd you leave? And things like that. This year it seems a little calmer for everybody involved. Obviously, a lot of stuff on the background happening. But in terms of the players, I don't think anybody really cares anymore where you play. You play live, you play PGA Tour, whatever the case may be, come here and show up and do what you're able to do. And I mean, John Rom is the type of golfer, you know, players that play well at Augusta, play well at Augusta. I know that seems like a simple statement, but the Jordan Speeds and the Scottie Schefflers and the Jack Nicholases and the Tiger woods and the Phil Mickelson's, like, these people show up whether they're in form or not, and they typically have good weeks. John Rahm's one of those players that shows up at Augusta and is going to play well simply because his game fits this golf course as well as anybody in the field.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. The other storyline I thought of was, you know, Tiger woods, such a force of nature in golf for the last 20 years, even when he's not playing and he's missed some Masters, he's still, you know, talked about. But this does feel like the first year where it's. I don't want to say it's over because I hope he plays again, but it does feel kind of over where it's like, you know, the Achilles injury and he already was already banged up and the leg problems, is it. Can you feel that vibe where it's like that force of nature is no longer here and it really is now the young guys and it's Scotty and it's Rory and it's John Rom and all these guys. Yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

I mean, this is the opposite of the Revelle take, by the way. Big Cat, this is a very good take on your behalf and I'm proud of you for it. Big J journalism stuff. Like, he sucks up a lot of oxygen at golf tournaments, major championships, whatever the case may be. We don't see him play a lot of golf. So when he shows up at the Masters, it's a big deal. People want to watch Tiger play golf. I have some friends that are coming for the first time this year, and the moment he announced the injury, it's like, oh, man, I was so excited to Watch Tiger. That being said, I think the focus right now is so much on Rory, Scotty, everybody else, so many young players, as you said, Big cat. Can Ludwig play like he did last year? I think people are kind of anticipating what to see for Max Homa this year at Augusta. Obviously, he's not playing his best golf, but he played so well here a year ago. Those players are popular. You know, Victor Hovland's popular, Xander Shopley's popular, John Rom's popular. And I think right now the focus moves away from what are we going to see from this guy we hadn't seen play golf in eight months to let's watch the best players really, when the gun goes off, how they're going to be able to go about their business.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Lud Ludwig A. Berg. He played really, really well last year. He had a great chance on Sunday until the back nine. Hank says that, no, he cannot play well.

[Dan Katz]

Hold on. We got to put on Hank's mic.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank disagrees.

[Hank]

I. Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

You shook. You shook your head. No factor fiction.

[Shane Bacon]

Hank. Hank not going to win.

[Hank]

I'm just curious. No, I would like him to win. I'm just curious why his odds have been dropping so much this week. Week.

[Shane Bacon]

Just been playing bad golf. Like, he's just been missing cuts and he hasn't been very consistent. You know, he's one of those guys, like, when it's dialed, he's extremely consistent and he's been extremely inconsistent this season. And I think when that's the case, it's hard to dive into a guy considering the way some of the other players are playing. I mean, we mentioned Rom. Obviously, Scotty has improved a bit, and he's coming off his best putting performance in like 18 months in Houston. I mean, that's a big deal for Scotty Scheffler, considering the ball striking. You know, there's Rory, and everybody's talking about Rory, even Xander. They're playing pretty well at the Valspar after the injury. I think there's so many players that are quote, unquote, inform that it's hard to lean on a guy even if he played well here a year ago. To Hank's point, when he's not playing great, those odds are going to kind of continue to decrease.

[Dan Katz]

How much of how much stock do you put in, like, how the guys are playing going into the Masters? Or is it a tournament where everyone knows the course, everyone's played the course that, yeah, you could be playing poorly, and then you show up and it's like, hey, we're we all know this course, and we all are ready to go. Like, how much. How much is it? Current form?

[Shane Bacon]

I think it's a big deal in terms of just the, the. You talked about the mental side of stuff for Rory. I think it's a huge, huge deal for these players because, you know, this is the date they circle, just like we circle it, right? We're so excited for April. You know, March Madness ends, and we roll right into the Masters. These players think about this thing for six months, you know. So I think when you're not playing well and you get to Augusta and you're searching on the driving range and you're going through practice rounds hoping to find something, I think that's hard to kind of get into a mental state where when Thursday starts, you know, people don't talk about how tough the first hole is at Augusta. Right. I mean, you step on the first tee at St. Andrews or pebble beach, you know, it's relatively friendly handshake. Augustus first hole is one of the hardest first holes in all of golf. I'd say the only one that really rivals it is where they're playing the US Open this year at Oakmont. Like that first hole, kick you right in the teeth, just like number one here at Augusta will. So when you're not informed and all of a sudden, you know you're one over through three, and you've got to play the toughest stretch of the golf course, four through six, all of a sudden you're four over. It's a hard place to make up ground. So I think current form is as important as how you played in this event over the years.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so where are we at with Bryson and all this? Because I know that he's still. He's switching his ball, right? Like going in, going into Augusta, he's not sure what ball he's going to be playing. That doesn't seem like a great time to. When you're like Bryce and you micromanage every single part of your game, not knowing what ball you're going to be hitting feels like it's a, A, a big red flag for me, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think about that?

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah, I, I don't love Bryson this week just simply because of form. I mean, to Big Cat's point about Ludwig, I think the same thing, really, about the way Bryson plays now. That being said, pft. He's the same guy that changed his driver before the final round of the US Open last year and then still went on to win so obviously, he isn't scared to, like, change stuff up in the golf bag, but I'm not. I don't love Bryson at Augusta in general. I just don't think it's a great golf course for him.

[Dan Katz]

Them.

[Shane Bacon]

And I don't like him this week simply because of that. It's. There's too many touch shots around the green. There's too many of these little feely shots. Bryson's a power guy. He can overpower Augusta. I mean, you know, they famously said It's a par 67, but I think in terms of how you've got to go about your business on this golf course and what's succeeded over the years here, guys like Scotty, guys like John Rom, great hands around the greens, able to pitch the golf ball when they get in trouble. I don't think that's Bryson's strength, and I think that's one of the reasons that he can struggle. And, you know, another thing about somebody like Bryson, he's so technical. You can't use any of that technical stuff, not even in practice rounds at Augusta. And I think that takes, you know, an arrow out of his quiver, if you will.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, so. So the touch shots, who outside of the usual suspects is elite at those touch shots, that gives them a better chance at Augusta. Maybe they don't drive it, you know, as long as everyone else. But who is the touch shot God or the guys right now that are playing the best around the greens like that?

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah, I mean, the best right now, modern player. This is not going to shock you as Scotty. I mean, the pitching and shipping is insane. Russell Henley's been great in that department. I think he's going to be my pick this year for the Masters. I think Russell Henley's kind of not just a sleeper, but he's having a great year. And I think he's one of those guys that can really lean on that part of his game. Great ball striker, which is important. But I like Sepsiraka a lot as well this week in terms of just players that are maybe be away from those top five names that I think are playing in a level of form where they could show up here and do something special. And they've also kind of played well at Augusta before. I'm not going to take a guy that's finished 50th every time he's been here, but if you finished in the top 10 and you've had a couple of good finishes, I like. I like your chances, and I think those are a couple Guys off the. You know, you look at the last few winners, it's like Scotty Rom, Scotty Hideki, DJ Tiger. Like, these are big names. Occasionally you get a Patrick Reed or a Danny Willett or a player like that that wins at the Masters, and I would not be surprised if this is the year that happens.

[Dan Katz]

All right? I have an advanced analytics department in my brain that picks my master's winner. And the advanced analytics are just pick your friend. So I'm betting on Brooks again. Can he win it?

[Shane Bacon]

He can win it. And I figured you'd ask about Brooks Big Cat, so I have something for you. He only finished. He's only had one season where he didn't finish in the top 10 win in all four majors. That was in 2022. The next year, almost wins the Masters, wins the PGA. So I'm gonna lean. Since you're throwing a stat at me. I'll throw one right back at you. Played pretty poorly in the majors a season ago, but, you know, Brooks is one of those dudes that shows up and thinks he's the best player on the golf course. So I think Brooks played well here before. Obviously, is a guy that believes in what he's doing now. He was just hitting balls on the range a little bit ago, and he was kind of hitting these, like, toe hooks that I do not like. But that's why the range is there.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So we can practice. That's one thing that I. I don't like about being able to see every rang about now on the app is that guys go out there and they around some. They work on new stuff. And then you look at that, you're like, oh, my God, he's shanking everything. I gotta bet against this guy. It's like, too much information.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah. It might be overload. It's a little bit, like, with the odd stuff now. Right. Where you could basically figure out anything that makes your bet seem like the smartest bet in the world. You know, I mean, there's a. You know, there's. There's like a million different things that tell you that Florida's gonna win or Houston's gonna win.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, exactly. So speaking of the course, though, what have we done in the past year that has changed at Augusta? What should we be on the lookout?

[Hank]

The trees?

[Shane Bacon]

Nothing. It's. Which is. Which is a bit of a surprise. I mean, they typically tinker a little bit with yardages or new tee boxes and stuff like that, and it's pretty much what it was. I mean, outside of the damage from the hurricane. It's going to be in play how it's played in the past. Now we had all that rain, so it'll be interesting to see if it plays a little softer on Thursday into Friday. But I imagine if we don't get the rain that they're talking about up Friday afternoon, I think it'll be spicy. Spicy on the weekend.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What about the trees?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, what about the trees?

[PFT Commenter]

Somebody here said that Hank said trees are different.

[Shane Bacon]

There's going to be some different trees. I mean, obviously, like I said, the hurricane was bad in this area. I mean, some trees came down, but not really any that affect the golf course. John Rom was in a press conference, and he said the one thing he was told. He hadn't played the second nine yet in a practice round, but he said the one thing he was told is, you know, 10 is that massive dog, like, left, right, and like, basically all the players these days hit three wood because they can't turn a driver over. And he said he's heard that you can now squeeze it through a little window on the left side and cut it into the fairway. And then the moment he said it, he goes, well, they'll probably put a new tree up by. By the first round because I. I said something. But really, outside of, you know, trees behind 15 green that don't come into play, nothing's really going to change in terms of the way the golf course plays.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, that's good. Yeah, I like that. I like a little tradition at Augusta. Don't make me learn new stuff every year there. I like to like to know the ins and the outs of the course. I just saw this morning they published the mowing reports. Are you a mowing report guy?

[Shane Bacon]

I. I got that as well. I actually wrote the numbers down for you because I figured you'd like that. Pft. But I mean, when the Moen report hits, you know, it's Masters week, like, I'm ready for it. I'm ready to roll. Like, what length of the rough? What about the TE's? All that stuff is. Is incredibly important to all of us nerds.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Any. Any surprises in the MO report?

[Shane Bacon]

No, no. The report was pretty solid. It's like they almost know what they're doing. You know, it's almost like they've mowed this place before.

[Dan Katz]

All right, let's. Let's talk some long shots, some guys that no one's talking about, because obviously it is. You said it. You know, the big names have won this tournament, but if there were to be a name that is not someone that everyone's like, hey, look at this guy. He's playing great. Who do you have your eye on?

[Shane Bacon]

All right, so he's a long shot in terms of number, not a long shot in terms of history. I think Phil's got a chance. I think Phil has a legit chance this week. He's been playing some solid golf and kind of going back to like, what plays well here is a great iron player and somebody that's excellent around the greens. I think Phil, he finds himself in contention, it feels like every two years. So I think Phil, in terms of extreme long shots, I'm a big fan of his number this week.

[Dan Katz]

That would be so much fun if Phil was in the mix.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be awesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I need, you know what?

[Shane Bacon]

I. And I'll tell you this big cat. I like a lot of the live guys. Like, I like Brooks, I like Sergio. I like, like Phil.

[Dan Katz]

This is Hank. This music to Hank's ear. He, he's a live head, big time. Yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

I mean, they're all playing well. I mean, if you watch Doral on Sunday, I mean, all the guys hanging around the top of that leaderboard were basically flying up that night to Augusta. You know, it wasn't like the guys that aren't in the field. So I, I would be non shocked if a live, if there were two or three live players, like, tied atop the leaderboard, you know, on the second nine.

[Dan Katz]

Because, Hank. Well, last year, what'd you do? You did all live players to finish, like, top 20, and none of them did. Did.

[Hank]

No, no, no. I did. Around Robin, 10 live players to finish top 20. I needed like four or five to, like, make money. I think only three or four did. So I, I, I lost a little bit of money. I didn't make a lot of money. But my thinking is, like, a lot of the live guys have won. And the pressure on Sunday, for a guy that's won, they've experienced before, they know what to do. They don't feel it as much as a guy that maybe hasn't won before. And all of a sudden they're, you know, they're playing Sunday at Augusta. Their pants a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, Hank is such a die hard live fan. He knows the four aces off the top of his head. Don't you?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Hank, what are they?

[Hank]

It's Justin Johnson, Patrick Reed.

[Dan Katz]

We're stuck at two aces.

[Shane Bacon]

Half of them.

[Dan Katz]

You have half of the aces?

[Hank]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Come on, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I even, I know one of them.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, hey, Shane. Where are we with the live PGA merger that was announced, like, a year ago that no one talks about?

[PFT Commenter]

HV3 come.

[Shane Bacon]

Who knows, dude? I mean, honestly, nobody knows. It's. It's funny now, too, because they. The players get asked about it, and they're even like, nobody knows.

[Dan Katz]

Who knows?

[Shane Bacon]

Nobody's telling us anything. Like, we're just trying to play golf. And I think John Rahm answered a question in his press conference. They asked some questions at the end of the presser in Spanish, and he said, I just want to play with these guys more often. You know, it was basically his answer. But nobody knows. I mean, I feel like every week you hear rumors, but nothing changes, nothing happens.

[PFT Commenter]

What happened to the framework? I was told that we had a framework in place.

[Shane Bacon]

Frame broke, man. I think the frame is, like, disintegrated. It fell on the ground. Like, I don't know what happened to the damn thing, but, you know, I mean, like, I don't think Liv wants to go away, you know, And I think that's one of the important pieces of this, is, like, Liv still wants to exist in terms of golf tournaments and team golf and things like that. And I don't think the PGA Tour is a big fan of that idea if they're going to merge. So I think, you know, for Liv, it's. We don't want to lose everything we're doing. We understand the importance of merging, but that seems to be where everybody's stuck right now.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What about the journalist lottery? When do we find out who gets to play Augusta?

[Shane Bacon]

Oh, I think that. I think that drops Saturday. I think they normally announce that on Saturday, maybe around lunchtime.

[Dan Katz]

Have you played?

[Shane Bacon]

No. Never gotten picked.

[Dan Katz]

Oh. What are the odds?

[PFT Commenter]

How many. How many journalists enter their names into the lottery every year?

[Shane Bacon]

So. So everybody that hadn't played it, I think it's over the last seven years, gets to put their name in. So let's. I would just say the number's probably around maybe 150 in the lotter. Now. I don't know how many get picked, but I'd say of the. Let's say 300 people here working, I bet 150 put their names in. So, you know, if there's four groups or whatever, then, you know, you've probably got a 8% chance or 6% chance or something.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Although it was very funny when they. They took somebody that had never played golf before last year. I like. I kind of like that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that should be.

[Shane Bacon]

We always ask about that. Around the US Opens. Like, I mean, remember when. When Dave used to do that when he would play Mulligan US Open game? And it's like, what are you gonna shoot if you have unlimited mulligans? It's like, what is a person that's never played golf gonna shoot around this golf course? Right. I mean, I think that's. That's at least something we can compare the best players in the world to.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So we actually have. So we had. We have. We interviewed Max as well. He's gonna be on this episode, and he. We asked him this. So we'll ask you. You. This. If Hank started at the worst spot on every green and had to only putt, what would his. What would his. Would he. Would he be in contention at the end of Sunday?

[Shane Bacon]

Is he putting. So he's putting one on every green.

[PFT Commenter]

Like he's starting on, but in the worst place possibly be whether that's the farthest distance away or the place where it's the toughest with the brakes?

[Shane Bacon]

I mean, if he. Does he have a caddy?

[Dan Katz]

No, no caddy.

[Shane Bacon]

Oh, I think he could shoot even par or better. I think he could four putt every green.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right. Are there some that it would be, like, a disaster where, like, is there a specific green on the course where it's like, everyone knows there's one little spot, and if you don't hit it, you're just.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah. Like, he would probably put off the green on nine. He'd probably put off the green on 13. He'd probably put off the Green on 15. So the key for him would be just to not put it in the water. But I think, like I said, I think he's gonna two putt a couple, right. Just by, you know, virtue of luck or making an eight footer. I mean, I know you dog Hank's game a lot, but, I mean, I've seen Hank make eight footers on YouTube before. Right. So, I mean, he's capable if nothing else.

[Dan Katz]

Well, you've also seen a miss eight footer.

[Shane Bacon]

Well, I've seen him miss a lot of those, but I mean, I think, you know, just in general, he's going to eventually two putt a green here or there, which picks you up a couple shots. I. I think he's in contention. I think he shoots around even par every round from the green.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

We got to make that happen.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, man.

[PFT Commenter]

What would it take?

[Dan Katz]

What. All right, so if. If I said to you for. Or if I said to all the golfers, you get to Pick one club that is perfect for the Masters. What, you know, your, your shots on it. That specific club is just perfect all week. What club are they picking this year?

[Shane Bacon]

It's probably the mini driver that's going to be in a lot of bags. So, you know, the, the. Basically the popularity of the mini drivers popped over the last couple years, and the idea is you can turn it over a little bit, and obviously right handers at Augusta have got to hit that draw. I think you're going to see a ton of the mini drivers in the bags this week from a lot of players. A lot of the TaylorMade dudes, I think, are throwing them in there. And so. So I think that's going to be a really popular one. It also keeps you short of some of the runouts at 330, 340 with the long hitters can hit it there. So the mini driver be big and then like lob wedges. I mean, I think, you know, lob wedges are huge here because you want to get the ball up in the air around the greens because there's so much runoff. And I think the idea of throwing it up high with a lot of spin is what most of these modern players do.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, interesting. What do you. What do you think the winning score is this week?

[Shane Bacon]

So I was looking. It's 11, 12, 10, 10 the last four years. So I think I'll go. I think with the rain, it'll be a little better than that. I'll probably go 13, I think, is the number I'm looking at.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Shane Bacon]

I would love that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's.

[Shane Bacon]

It's relatively consistent. By the way, Big Cat, I had something for you. Your big Florida win last night. Yeah, congrats, by the way. I mean. I mean, I know you needed the money, so you would have finished. I need to finish a T20 last year at the Masters to make that much money. So. So you're kind of like a top 20 golfer in the world financially now.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, unfortunately. For that calculus, if we're. If we're putting in the whole March Madness experience, I missed the cut. But yes, if. If we're just based off the championship.

[Shane Bacon]

For the houses and all that stuff.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, exactly. We're. We're only basing off the championship game, then. Yeah, T20 feels good.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, under the bright lights, that's when it matters the most.

[Dan Katz]

One day. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Sunday red.

[Shane Bacon]

I turn the feed on with like, we were like, at our rental house. I turned the feed on with about 30 seconds. Let's go. I knew you had that bet, and I could only see your eyes. The hoodie kept getting smaller around your head.

[Dan Katz]

I. I actually didn't see the final play in its, like, totality for, like, an hour after because I was only watching the top of the screen. So when I saw the ball, like, go up and, like, him jump, I was like, oh, he's about to hit this shot, not realizing that he had traveled. So, yeah, it was. Yeah. All right. T20. I could. I can. I can rock with that. T20. Feels good.

[Shane Bacon]

That's on the great play last year at the Masters. I'm proud of you.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's. That's very impressive. Nice purse. I was curious about Max, our other good friend Max. Yep. So he is a guy that has played well at Augusta. You said that's very important. But he's also a guy that's not playing well right now, which you also say is important. So how.

[Dan Katz]

What.

[PFT Commenter]

What would be a reasonable expectation for Max home at this year's Masters?

[Shane Bacon]

I think top 25 is reasonable for him. I think. Again, you know, the thing, Max, I'm sure he told you guys this as well, but the thing he's been talking about is away from tournament golf, he's been playing well. Did he tell you what he shot on the first nine?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

29.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, something like that. I think he said seven, seven under.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah. Had a. Had a putt for 28, I think, on the ninth, which is. Would be like, the low nine holes ever at the Masters if he did that within the tournament. I mean. I mean, he's seen positives away from tournament golf. It's just not really working once he gets going. You know, for Max, it's about starts, man. I mean, he's got to get off to a good start. He's got to be able to shoot something around even or under par on the first nine on Thursday. I mean, I just think he's continued. And he knows this. He's continued to put himself behind the eight ball early, and then he's got to make up ground, which he's been able to do. So if he can just somehow find something solid on Thursday to get things going, shoot even par for the day. I mean, even shoot one over. Over. I think there's an opportunity for him to run, but I think top 25 is reasonable. You know, he played. He played really well the first two days a year ago, and. And then it obviously got tougher on the weekend, but I would. I. I think he's gonna make the cut, and I think you know, top 25. Top 20 makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we love that. Do you think that America is going to continue its dominance because, what, it's seven, seven majors in a row that we've won?

[Shane Bacon]

I, I think it stops here. I think it ends here. I think Rory or Rom or Seth Rep or somebody like that does it. So I, I, that's kind of where I'm at is I think, I think the, I think the Internationals are going to win this. I think probably a European's gonna win it. And there's the Europeans. I mean, the Ryder cup is, what, seven months? The Europeans are just, like, crushing it right now in golf. So I think the theme continues.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, but they're not ready for, for Long Island.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're not ready for Long Island.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, for, for a bunch of dudes yelling at them.

[Shane Bacon]

We're up a couple points just going into that, simply because of the crowds, but, I mean, they're, they're trending. Like, when you look at the bottom half of what the team might look like right now, their, their bottom half, if you will, the victors and guys like that finding form finally, like we've wanted them to, it's going to be very interesting to see if they kind of continue this run, because, you know, if they're, they're 6 through 12, to me, feels like what the old USA was, 6 through 12 against the internationals on the President's Cup. Like, it was never the top half that we were dominant on. It was always the bottom half of that roster. And right now, kind of 1 through 12 on the European seems very, very spicy for that crew.

[PFT Commenter]

So even if you're a guy that, that maybe is sick of Scotty winning all the time, you should be rooting for Scotty just for that reason, because.

[Shane Bacon]

He'S a, like, we didn't talk about Morikawa. Yeah, I mean, Morikawa's, I mean, his stats, like Kyle Porter sent something out the other day. Leads the world in stroke skate approach. Leads the world in stroke skein Ball strikes striking. Leads the world in strokes gain t degree tea to green and leads the world in stroke skein Overall, all in 2025. I mean, this is a Ball Strikers golf course, so Colin Morikawa played well here a year ago. I think Scotty, Colin, in terms of Americans are, are very, very high on the list.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you, can you educate us on what strokes gain means? I know that it's important, and I know that, that it's good, but I don't, I don't know how they do it.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah, it's an analytical deep dive into how players go against the rest of the field or the rest of the players in golf. Golf. So it's basically like, what your stats, how your stouts kind of match up against everybody else versus something like greens and regulation. That's you versus the golf course. Pft. I know you love the golf course. This is a little bit more like you against your peers.

[PFT Commenter]

Got it. So it's like war.

[Dan Katz]

All right, Shane, I got one last question again. Tune in this week. Shane will be on feeds all week and Weekend on the masters dot com. All right, so Roback question rhobac.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take two final questions for me. One, what is your favorite bet that isn't a winning bet? So it could be like, top 20. It could be make or miss the cut, something like that.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah. I like. I like Phil top 20. I like Sergio top 20.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Shane Bacon]

Both of those bets, I think you're getting around even for both of those, maybe even a little bit of plus money. So I like both of those for sure.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. I like that. And then this is just something dumb that I always think about, like the. The fact that you do in these. In these tournaments, if you play morning on Thursday, then you play afternoon on Friday, afternoon on Thursday, morning on Friday. That always never made sense to me because, like, you basically have to turn around so fast if you're in the afternoon and then go to the morning. What. What do guys prefer? If weather is not a factor, what do they prefer? Prefer?

[Shane Bacon]

I think. I think younger guys like late early. I think they like the quick flip. And I also think if you're playing well, you want to get back out there quickly. And I think the older players prefer early late, so they get a little bit more of a break and they can sleep in. And like, you know, Tiger famously was doing all the body work, you know, in the mornings on Fridays. So I think it depends on age, but I think. I think if you pulled players, you'd probably get 70, 80% would be kind of like, go out late on Thursday, get right back out on the golf course on Friday morning.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Although it would drive me nuts now that I'm thinking about it, playing early on Friday, not knowing what I need to score. Like, I. I feel like playing late on Friday, where you're like, here, this is what I have to do to make the cut is maybe a little bit of advantage. Yeah.

[Shane Bacon]

And I think, like, this year, especially with the forecast on Friday, I think getting out there early on Friday would be, you know, preferred, simply because if there are delays and stuff like that. Now, if you're a Friday, like, late, your second round might bleed into Saturday, and then you got to play a marathon day on Saturday in terms of golf, if you make the cut. So I think for this year, especially with what we might see on Friday, I don't think it's a huge percentage. Maybe like 30, 40%. But if there are going to be rain showers, at least if you're an early Friday guy, you can get your round in.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I was reading the other day that if you win the Masters, you get. You get to use the Champions Driving Range that not everybody else gets to use. Have you heard about this Champions Driving Range?

[Shane Bacon]

I. I don't know about the Champions Driving Range. No. I mean, they all do. They all hit balls at the tournament practice area. The kind of new one over the last few years where they've, like, it's the best range on the planet, by the way. I mean, they literally replicate greens that are on the golf course so that you can hit certain shots into greens and get an idea of what it's going to look like out on the golf course. But now, I don't know about that one. I'll have to ask some of the. Some of the dudes back here that have played.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Because the thing I was reading just set him on. Like, is there a basement in the Alamo?

[PFT Commenter]

I might have.

[Dan Katz]

You're just walking around. Everyone's like, this guy doesn't know what champion.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's like a big. It's a big joke that they're playing. I. I did. I did read, though, that there's a Champions Driving Range, but the Champions Driving Range isn't nearly as good as the regular driving range. So it's like, why would you. Why would you want to use it? Just to be like you.

[Dan Katz]

I have.

[Shane Bacon]

You feel like an honorary starter. You go there because you don't hit it as far as you used to. Maybe that's, like, where you warm up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's true. That's actually a good point. That's probably why it's not as those guys go.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, Shane, thank you so much. Good luck this week in the lottery. We're rooting for you. We'd love to see you be able to play the course, and it's always fun having you on, so appreciate it so much.

[Shane Bacon]

Thank you, guys. Good luck. With the BET tank.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Hank]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay, we're gonna do White Lotus at the end of the show. We have pardon your take from the listeners. By the way, we did miss one. I should have used this for my hot sauce seat. Cody Bellinger is out because he had bad wings. Yeah, the old Mark Titus injury.

[PFT Commenter]

There have been some great baseball injuries this year. Being out because he ate chicken wings. Man card. Tough play the Joe. The Joe Buck drop.

[Dan Katz]

Tough. Gotta. Gotta make it. Can't say it's the wings guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Like me. I. I only eat wings. Never missed a podcast.

[Dan Katz]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

Not a jinx.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, Hank.

[Hank]

Wow, this is sad. I figured you guys would appreciate this. All four major sports leagues have apparently stopped making champions DVDs. SL Blu Rays. Like you guys always say, this is the start of the championship DVD when my team has a big moment. The championship DVD is quintessential merch to buy when your team wins. Hate to see it. Looks like they are a thing of the past signed Sad Eagles.

[Dan Katz]

What do they do now?

[PFT Commenter]

This sucks.

[Hank]

It's Like Championship YouTube link.

[PFT Commenter]

Championship Instagram reel.

[Dan Katz]

That's crazy. You got to still make the dvd.

[PFT Commenter]

We're still going to say championship dvd, start of the dvd, right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, absolutely. We're not changing.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like either. It makes us a Boomer, but you either die a millennial or you live long enough to be a Boomer. We'll just accept it.

[Dan Katz]

I don't give a. People call it Boomer all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Who cares? You know who else they call Boomer? Chris Berman.

[Dan Katz]

What?

[Hank]

Hank, It's Boomer take. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

What do you don't give a.

[Hank]

Who cares?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Who cares?

[PFT Commenter]

Is that Boomer to not care.

[Dan Katz]

What was it the other day? Oh, someone. Yeah, my Duke hate was a Boomer take.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's just. That's just a kid that likes Duke.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. That's also a kid that just doesn't understand how sports work. Yeah, yeah, that. That was. I. I think that's my problem is people use Boomer take for things that are not even close to. I know when I have a Boomer tape. So saying championship DVDs a boomer.

[PFT Commenter]

They do that with cringe too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's just a word that they'll say that they think is going to hurt you.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Guess what? Like, I don't give a.

[Dan Katz]

It's lost all meaning because it gets thrown around too.

[PFT Commenter]

You overused it. You played your hand. We. We took that word back. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Now that the super bowl and Final Four have wrapped up, I am curious to get your take on the best city for a finale to a sports season and maybe as a second layer of the best game. Super Bowl, Final Four to be there for.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, what? What do you mean? Where it takes place. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Best city.

[Hank]

Best city for a finale to a sports season.

[Dan Katz]

I mean Vegas.

[PFT Commenter]

Vegas. I can personally attest I like New Orleans. Stanley cup in Vegas.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When you're Final Four in New Orleans would be better than Vegas.

[PFT Commenter]

New Orleans is pretty sick. We did do the. The Final Four new or a couple years ago. It was a great time.

[Dan Katz]

Super bowl was in New Orleans this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you remember what happened in that Final Four? Big cat.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

In Vegas or in Coach K is dead. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Boomer take.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, New Orleans is always going to be the top of my list. Vegas was a lot of fun. I like Indy too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I'm trying to think Indy's. Indy is. Is a good city just because you don't have to get in a car. You don't have to get in an Uber.

[Hank]

You're city. What, baseball, basketball, hockey.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, but he's saying that. No, he's saying.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, he's. Yeah, he's saying, like, the venue city.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, the venue city. When it's a Final Four super bowl, so it's a different city.

[Ryan Whitney]

Memes is also back. You're saying, like, you can pick any city. You don't have to pick, like, Nashville.

[Dan Katz]

Would be a good super bowl city if it wasn't so cold. Well, you're trying to go on a bachelorette party. Super bowl, buddy. I'm just saying there's a bunch of.

[PFT Commenter]

Places Memes wants to go back to God's country.

[Dan Katz]

So, like, I could say London. Yeah, the Bahamas.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Bahamas would be great.

[Dan Katz]

Hawaii, Honolulu.

[PFT Commenter]

Amsterdam would be sick.

[Dan Katz]

Imagine losing in Honolulu.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

It's a long flight, but if you.

[PFT Commenter]

Lose, you're like, okay, who cares? Yeah, I'm in Hawaii.

[Dan Katz]

I think New York would be a good place. Just because it's basically anywhere you.

[PFT Commenter]

Why it's New York Stadium so bad.

[Dan Katz]

I understand. Obviously, I'm not. I'm talking about being on the team.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I thought you were talking.

[PFT Commenter]

I was looking at.

[Ryan Whitney]

As a fan, but I.

[Dan Katz]

On the team. I'm saying, like, New York would be. If you. If you win, someplace where the bars don't close. That's sick. That.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, that's. That, that changes things. Yeah, that for sure.

[Dan Katz]

I was thinking on the team. I guess it doesn't make as much sense for Final Four, but I was thinking super bowl, like, if you win the super bowl in Vegas, like, you go out as a team in Vegas. That's sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Cuz like, as a fan, you're going to just go to whatever bar, you know, it doesn't. I get. I don't think Vegas obviously is different.

[PFT Commenter]

But as a player, Miami.

[Dan Katz]

Miami would be sick. Miami would be so sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Also, as a fan, I feel like Miami would be fun.

[Dan Katz]

That's a double.

[Hank]

All right, last one. The PGA Championship needs to go back to being the last major. This recent change throws off the whole summer. It's the perfect epilogue in that it's not as charming, but gives you a bit more context. Tent plus, the British Open, maybe the best major, has no business being closer.

[Dan Katz]

Whoa.

[Hank]

Since the shitty weather doesn't feel very summery.

[PFT Commenter]

This guy just did the. You've given yourself away three fingers. He called it the British Open. It's the Open Championship, and it's not.

[Dan Katz]

Even close to the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If you really thought that that was.

[Hank]

The best Open guy.

[Dan Katz]

You're as the best.

[Hank]

No, second best.

[Dan Katz]

You think it's better than the US Open? No chance.

[Hank]

Sometimes. It depends. It varies.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe if you live in England, but for time zone reasons.

[Dan Katz]

Sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's, it's bad.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Masters, US Open, Open Championship, pga. But that's why I like that they moved the PGA up, because otherwise it's like, who cares?

[PFT Commenter]

Why is the Masters always first?

[Dan Katz]

Because they, they're the Masters. They get everything.

[PFT Commenter]

They get to do whatever they want.

[Dan Katz]

Get everything. Yeah. This guy's wrong. Open Championship.

[Hank]

Well, no, but his point was that they should just flip flop up.

[PFT Commenter]

His point was.

[Hank]

Well, his point is, to your point, he doesn't think the Open Championship should be the last one because it's not as good.

[Dan Katz]

I thought he said it's the best.

[Hank]

I said maybe the best, but he said it shouldn't be the last major of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, I, I, that's fine. I don't hate that. Yeah, but the fact that he didn't refer to it in the correct nomenclature tells me he's not really that big a fan.

[Dan Katz]

I almost, I just got hung up with the fact he said maybe the best. It's never maybe been the best.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Hank]

PGA Championship is definitely the worst.

[Dan Katz]

I think, yes, that, that's, and Masters is definitely the best. And if you're an American like I thought we all were, the US Open is the second best, and the Open Championship is the third. But it's sounding to me like you're different style. Which side are you rooting for when they play in Long Island?

[Hank]

America.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you really? Cuz, like, listen, the live guys are in Europe. Exact. I could see Hank Brooks being Europe. Bryson.

[Dan Katz]

Just saying.

[Hank]

There's actually, like. It's just John Rom, I guess.

[Dan Katz]

Hatton, you love John Rom.

[Hank]

I like John Rom.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You love Ludvig.

[PFT Commenter]

You love Sero.

[Hank]

I do love Lud.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I like Sergio.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, you love Serio. You love Rory. No, I know you hate Rory. All right, real quick. White Lotus. Hey, Hank. You watch just this. So spoilers coming. I really don't think there's anyone out there who's like, I'm saving the finale for Friday. So, Hank, Pft. And I watched the whole season.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

Hey, Max, did you watch the whole season?

[PFT Commenter]

I did.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so Max watched the whole season. You just watched the finale.

[Hank]

Yep. I'll preface it. I watched the months ago, maybe even last year. I watched, watched the first maybe one or two episodes of season one. Decided it wasn't a Show for me, removed it from, you know, my future. So I've seen, like, I have everything on Twitter. I see people talking about it. I don't ignore it. I don't, like, avoid it, because I don't care.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Hank]

So I've.

[Dan Katz]

I've picked.

[Hank]

I've, like, been weirdly kind of following along. Like, I've seen the memes. I. I see people, you know, that we work with and stuff, tweet about it. And, like, sometimes I'll read them. I don't know what's going on. So I. I did have some level of understanding going into it, but I just watched the finale. I tried to watch the finale. I wrote some notes down until I fell asleep. It was an hour and a half. I was battling, and I'm like, so.

[Dan Katz]

You didn't see it?

[Hank]

So I. I get. I got. I got probably 60, 75 minutes in, and then I. I just. I fell asleep.

[Dan Katz]

I think this might be the future of recaps.

[Hank]

We gotta be close. I. I remember being like, this has got to be close. Been going on so long, there's so many storylines. How is any of this connected? And then it was, like, 40 minutes left.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank]

And I tried to stay awake. I didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

So this. Hank's thoughts about the finale of White Lotus from a guy that didn't watch the season of White Lotus and fell asleep halfway through.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'll give. I have, like, four notes. You guys can go into it. Bad for Thailand. That guy seemed like a badass. Whoever was bad for Thailand, why are they in Thailand? Was a question.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, who is bad for Thailand?

[Hank]

The guy in the very beginning of the episode, he's like, you're bad for. For Thailand that Walt Goggins was talking to.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, Sam Rock.

[Hank]

Are you good for Thailand?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was an awesome character.

[PFT Commenter]

Sam Rockwell should have his own show.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That character.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

He was one of the only characters I liked.

[Hank]

He.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Well, he didn't for a while. And also he gets.

[Hank]

But he also seemed. Didn't seem. Didn't seem interested.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, you. You missed the whole part where he. He got by dudes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

He didn't get off by chicks anymore. And so he went in this, like, maybe episode five. He's like. Then I found out that the only way I could get off is to be a Thai woman and get.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Because the chicks. He was. He wanted to be them. Getting by an American.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That explains why he wasn't. When they reunited, he was like, I don't care. She was like, Oh, I missed you. And he's like. He just goes, yep, yeah, Duke very featured. That's not an accident. Like, I can under. I actually could understand why Duke was mad had. Because it was so prominently featured. And like, in Hollywood, that's a. You know, nothing comes on screen by accident. Like, they have to, you know, set design, outfit design. Like, the fact that they made Duke.

[Dan Katz]

Talking like this was kind of wild.

[Hank]

Like, what. Was there a significant reason or was it just like a throwaway? Like, he went to Duke. Having him wear Duke stuff, if on a major HBO show is kind of crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there was a. It was clearly anti Duke propaganda.

[Dan Katz]

That's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is. Which I'm fully in support of. The moral of the entire show was basically like. Like, don't let your children go to Duke.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, go to unc.

[PFT Commenter]

And they even. I mean, the character named Zion got paid millions of dollars to not do anything. It seemed pretty slanted towards Duke.

[Hank]

I wrote. These are the guys that banged their brothers. Gross.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Yeah.

[Hank]

Did they actually bang or did.

[PFT Commenter]

He just jacked him off? And when.

[Hank]

So that I saw people, like, incest.

[PFT Commenter]

Incest.

[Dan Katz]

Incest.

[PFT Commenter]

That is incest. What's this take?

[Dan Katz]

What's this take? Well, no, I was.

[Ryan Whitney]

What is this take?

[Dan Katz]

Careful. They came on screen, I was like, oh, this is crazy.

[Hank]

These guys banged and they said the. The jerking off thing. And I was like. People were freaking out on Twitter. I know it's bad, but people. I thought I was expecting, like, Game of Thrones incest.

[PFT Commenter]

He just jacked his brother off, which the. Hank doesn't understand the big deal.

[Ryan Whitney]

This is like modern day, like, on vacation.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That's fair.

[Ryan Whitney]

Jacking off your brother.

[Dan Katz]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Hank]

I was. Based off what I saw on Twitter, I was expecting incest. And I know that's.

[PFT Commenter]

That is incest.

[Dan Katz]

That is incest. That.

[Ryan Whitney]

That by definition.

[PFT Commenter]

My bad.

[Hank]

I apologize. I was expecting, like, Game of Thrones. So, like, I was like, this is disgusting. I can see why people were mad.

[PFT Commenter]

When the character lock. When he said to his brother, when they had that confrontation in the final episode, he was like, I only jacked you off during that threesome because I guess I'm just a people pleaser, and I want to be that. That is weaponized therapy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I also do that.

[Hank]

Was it. Is that one of the sisters, the guy that Patrick Schwarzenegger was jealous of that loved Gogins?

[Dan Katz]

No, no, that's. They're. They were friends.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Dan Katz]

If you jerk off your brother like that, the conversation the next Morning has to be. One of us has to kill ourselves.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Like you can't both be alive after that. It just can't. You cannot live like that.

[Hank]

Good segue.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That's where I fell asleep. The dad was. I mean, suicide. That was a little bit. You know. How convenient you have a suicide pair in your backyard with the guy that wants overrated himself. Well, I fell asleep when he was like grinding it up. Did not. He didn't.

[Dan Katz]

No. He. He almost killed his whole family. So this is. This goes to my biggest. That's it.

[Hank]

That's all I got.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So great show. I. I like White Lotus. White Lotus fan coming in peace. I did not think this was the strongest season.

[PFT Commenter]

No. I'd put it clearly number three.

[Dan Katz]

I think number three.

[PFT Commenter]

I think season I'm gonna go season two.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Then season one, barely. And then clearly season three is.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I think one and two are interchangeable of which one's your favorite. And then three. Like, so this happens. Whatever. Whatever. A TV show that's widely popular, if you don't like a certain season, you're dubbed like a contrarian or you're trying to hate. Just to hate. I like White Lotus. I'm going to watch season four. I thought this season was not great. And the Ratliff story was. Was one of my biggest issues. Because what you saw, Hank, was what happened all season where. So he did the. The pina coladas with his. His family. He ended up hitting them all out of his hand. Their hands and being like, don't drink it. The milk's gone bad. That was like the sixth time we had a dream sequence slash. Something happened where they tried to fake us out. That he was committing suicide or killing his family. Enough of it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I. I actually think Locke should have died at the end.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, agree. Instead the fake out death is the worst.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Instead what happened was he survived because I guess he didn't eat enough of the suicide pair.

[Dan Katz]

That's why I said the suicide pair is overrated.

[PFT Commenter]

Or I thought maybe it was like a DMT pair because he was like, I just saw. God damn.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then they get on boat and the dad's like, hey, sorry, I tried to kill all you guys. Like, did they not have that conversation? Because Locke obviously drank the milkshake.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then he basically died. Was his dad ever like, oh, yeah, about that. This is why you passed out.

[Dan Katz]

Also the entire storyline of the Ratliffs and the dad, which was interesting. Financial crimes, having to deal with that. No one has phones. And then all we get is one. One, like, 10 second speech at the end where he's like, we'll stay together as a family.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Hey, sorry I tried to kill all y'all, but I gotta be honest. We're all gonna go broke.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They're like, love you, Dad.

[Dan Katz]

I did, like, from the Ratliffs. I thought Saxon was awesome. His, like, story arc was cool. The look back at the end with Goggins and his girlfriend, like, he kind of finally got it. And I. Parker Posey's just a hilarious actress.

[PFT Commenter]

It is. It is fun to talk like Parker Posey.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. She and Parker Posey end up winning because. Because she knew all along that her. Her daughter was a spoiled rich kid and she just had to go sleep in a monastery one night to realize.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's all. It's just fun to talk like her and be like, get me out of Taiwan.

[Dan Katz]

Where's my Laraza? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But when she saw her daughter come back and then she got. She was proud of her daughter for being spoiled.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That was the funniest.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it was great. I mean, the. The whole theme of this show is that rich people, Idle rich people are. Are the worst. And also so good. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And when. What was her name? Belinda.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

When Belinda got paid all that money and then she became the character from the previous season. I like that. That was good. That made me a little bit sad for the guy that she was like, I'm not gonna do it. Yeah. I'm not gonna go into business with the Corn Chai. See you later, Pornchop. Porn Chai. Porn chop. That was a very good scene. And then I wrote down that the White Lotus, the property. The White Lotus.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They have to have the best TripAdvisor account manager ever because all these murders keep happening at their resorts and they seem to be doing really well.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. With tourists just deleting them all.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. We're going to get rid of all the negative feedback, even though people die all the time. And you know what it is? Here's why I bet their. Their accounts are doing well. The donut trump tree. Did you notice the donut tree that Walter Goggins. Yeah. How is. How have I never heard of a donut tree?

[Dan Katz]

Oh, I've seen those at, like, they're. They're. You know what? They sometimes have them in, like, suites at, like, football games and stuff. I feel like Ross Tucker has tweeted out a donut tree.

[PFT Commenter]

I've never seen a Donut tree before, but now we have to. Can we get a donut tree?

[Dan Katz]

Absolutely. Ross Tucker's definitely tweeted out a donut tree. Yeah, I, I just. I don't know. I thought the season just. It kind of. They did stretch it. It was more. It was eight episodes. I think season one was six and season two is seven. It felt like it was eight, where it was like an hour and a half. And we went circular on a lot of storylines. And then I just. I don't know. I was rooting for Walter Goggins and his girlfriend. I thought the cheap Star Wars. I. He was. Your father was just whatever.

[Hank]

Walter Goggins was the British girl's dad.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no, it was the. The girl from Thailand.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Uncle Rico. Yeah, that's the same guy in the.

[Hank]

Beginning of the episode.

[Dan Katz]

No, no, no. Uncle Rico is Greg. Gary.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, it was a British. They were dating.

[Hank]

I know. Well, this show is, you know, there.

[Dan Katz]

Was a storyline where Walter. Walter Goggins was basically like, I had. I came to Thailand to get vindication because this guy who's this rich guy who owns a resort with his wife killed my dad. And then he went and confronted him at his house, thought he was going to shoot him, pushed him over, but had peace with it and was like, I finally told him I off. Then the guy shows up to the resort and it confronts Walter Goggins. Like, you're a. Your mom was a. And then Walter Goggins in like the last 10 minutes kills the guy. And then the other woman's like, why would you do that? He's your father. It's like, come on.

[Hank]

Goggins's father?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Oh, wow.

[PFT Commenter]

So he ended up killing his dad as he was on a mission to kill the guy who killed his dad.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

That felt a little ham fisted.

[Dan Katz]

It's just a little cheap.

[PFT Commenter]

And then I think that ch. This is going to be unpopular opinion, though. I think Chelsea, the. The British girl that was dating Walter Goggins, if she didn't have funny teeth, she would suck.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I liked her character. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I don't. I think she was very likable because she was like, kind of adorable.

[Dan Katz]

But she's British.

[PFT Commenter]

But she was British. And all she did was just try to like, fix a guy that clearly wasn't fixable.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

But he was fixed for a minute. And then I, I actually enjoyed Carrie Cruz, I thought was the star of the show, in my opinion, because I thought she was the the girl friendship storyline, I. That was real. Like it. That was some good acting. Like the. But. But it also just ended. I don't know. The whole ending was just. It felt so abrupt. And then they all just witnessed a mass murder and then they all just got on the boat and left.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they were cool.

[Dan Katz]

And Fabian falling in the water was very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

That guy, he was maybe my favorite. And I didn't like the security guard with his girlfriend. Yeah, that was. I. I was a.

[Hank]

He was going for revenge too, right?

[PFT Commenter]

No, he.

[Dan Katz]

No, he was just a.

[PFT Commenter]

He just knew that he had to get a shot off. Unlike Kelvin Sampson at the end. He's like, I gotta make this chick like me.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I watched, I enjoyed parts. I didn't love the whole thing.

[PFT Commenter]

What if. What if it was like one of those Disney Cinematic Universe tie through stories where Gary was Uncle Rico.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like Uncle Rico retires to Thailand.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I like to imagine.

[Dan Katz]

That was my whole thing where I said it last week. Like Gary just, just. He going. Just keep going back to White Lotus where like, why would you keep doing that, dude. Go to a Four Seasons.

[Ryan Whitney]

I have a question for you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Do you think that you would have disliked it as much if it wasn't coming right off of Severance? Because I think that hurt this.

[PFT Commenter]

This season. No, no. I was watching them both at the same time.

[Ryan Whitney]

But Severance is just so much better that it made me like White Lotus less.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but I, I like White Lotus season two and season one one a lot.

[Ryan Whitney]

But you weren't watching it at the same time as Severance.

[PFT Commenter]

I was.

[Hank]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I watched. I. I caught up on Severance late.

[Dan Katz]

I was watching them both concurrently. And I absolutely think that's a fair point.

[Max Homa]

I.

[Ryan Whitney]

Because I was finding myself the same way because I would get so excited for Severance each week. And then when White Lotus came along, I was like, oh, this just isn't.

[Dan Katz]

The same White Lotus. And I. Maybe I missed the whole thing, but like this idea that it's like a very deep show. I, I think this also is just what we do now on the Internet is where we analyze every little thing on a show. It happen. Severance too, where it's like, I don't think they're putting in that many clues to every little thing. And I. It's a show where it's, it's. It's fun because you get to watch Rich go on vacation and there's some good parts or some funny parts. It's not like super deep. Severance made me think a lot more. Yes. So I did find myself, like, when Severance. When I watched Severance, I was very focused. When I watched the White Lotus, I was watching it, but I was like, this is just kind of, you know, they're on vacation around.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I think this season of White Lotus, it took a lot longer to get into any real.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, eight episodes.

[PFT Commenter]

So that's why they made the last one an hour and a half, is because Mike White was like, oh, I gotta have some stuff happen at the.

[Dan Katz]

I gotta wrap it up.

[PFT Commenter]

But it was. Listen, I still think it was good. Yeah, I enjoyed watching it, and I'm gonna continue to watch it like Big Cat. Like, it's a good, good show.

[Dan Katz]

It's not. It's my test for every movie or show I watch. If I think about it the morning after when I'm waking up, that means that it, like, stuck with me, and it's really, like, good. I thought about Severance for a couple days after White Lotus. I watched Finale, and I was like, all right. I guess that's. That didn't really think about it the next day.

[PFT Commenter]

Piper. No.

[Dan Katz]

Piper.

[PFT Commenter]

Piper. We're on vacation, guys.

[Dan Katz]

Didn't you think the fake outs of the suicide and everything were just like. Like the fifth one was like, all right, guys. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And they got, like, bloodier and more gruesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it's just like, come on. And then the milkshakes, where it's like, oh, we're finally going to do this. This guy's going to kill his whole family. Oh, no, Milk's gone bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, there's also. There's a podcast, an accompanying podcast that goes along with White Lotus, which I haven't listened to. But does every new show now have a podcast?

[Dan Katz]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, have to.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I feel like doing a. Doing a podcast about a show that you watch is the new reading a book.

[Dan Katz]

I mean, technically, every old show has a podcast, and technically, we do that. This show with pmtv. Well, pmtv.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

What happened on last week's pmtv?

[PFT Commenter]

Last week's pmtv, Max got invited to the White House.

[Dan Katz]

Let's break that down.

[PFT Commenter]

So Jerry O'Connell reached out to us. We. Not Big Cat, and I didn't see it coming.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But, yeah, I, I. What would you give the season? I'd like a.

[PFT Commenter]

A, B, Three balls.

[Hank]

Four.

[Dan Katz]

It was fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Three and a half balls. You give it four, Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I enjoyed the other two season more. Yeah, I could understand it. I did. I did like the. The. The daughter of the Rat lifts. I can't remember her name.

[PFT Commenter]

What was her name? Piper.

[Dan Katz]

Piper. Yeah. She is just. She was so perfect of like, I think I'm different than the rich narcissists that populate my family, only to realize, no, I'm not. I'm no different. And also have her brother be like, I want to do this with you. And she's like, oh, now I'm really not different for it. Yeah, I can't do this.

[PFT Commenter]

One thing I do like about what Mike White does, though, is he either kills or morally bankrupts every likable character on the show.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, he. With the viewer in a fun way. That.

[Dan Katz]

That part I like. Yeah. It really is like, good. Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. And rich people who are on vacation are some of the worst people out there. Yeah. Any other thoughts? Max, you like it? What would you give it?

[Ryan Whitney]

Seven. It was perfect. It was six.

[Dan Katz]

That's a B. Yeah, that's a B.

[PFT Commenter]

I also read that Woody Harrelson turned down a role. He was pro. I would imagine he was going to be Sam Rockwell's character, but he turned down a role because he wanted to go on vacation with his family. But when these guys go on to shoot the show, they spend, like, six months on vacation.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. No. Mike White has figured out the Adam Sandler rule. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the best idea.

[Dan Katz]

Go to the best locations to film.

[PFT Commenter]

Your shows, bring your friends. And that's what Adam Sandler did for, like, 20 years. Bring all your best friends to a resort and then film a movie there.

[Dan Katz]

I wonder where next year will be. Key west, maybe? That'd be cool. Yeah. Someone said, I want to see this in, like, veil.

[Ryan Whitney]

Pug said there's no ocean in the next one.

[PFT Commenter]

There's no. How do we know that they did, like, a Inside the episode with Mike White.

[Dan Katz]

Are they doing Lake Geneva, Wisconsin? He just said he's done with the waves crashing theme.

[Shane Bacon]

So.

[Dan Katz]

No, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Ocean put in bay.

[Shane Bacon]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Inland.

[PFT Commenter]

Jersey Shore.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, my God.

[PFT Commenter]

White Lotus. Jersey Shore.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm in a snow trip.

[Dan Katz]

Would.

[Ryan Whitney]

A snow one would actually be awesome.

[Dan Katz]

A veil? Yeah, that one would be awesome. Or like, Switzerland.

[Ryan Whitney]

What's the Montana one?

[Hank]

That Big sky.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, Stafford.

[Dan Katz]

Yellowstone or something.

[PFT Commenter]

No, they go to Jackson Hole.

[Ryan Whitney]

Wasn't the one that Stafford and Tom Brady met?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. The club.

[Ryan Whitney]

The club.

[Dan Katz]

What's it called?

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

I think it's Yellowstone Club.

[Hank]

Yeah, sure.

[Ryan Whitney]

Make it the White Lotus Club. That would be sick.

[Dan Katz]

It's just Jordan Schultz and Ian Raport fighting.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe Rosillo can help write it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. Masters. Hank, I don't want you watching any of that 12 to 2 block on Peacock.

[Hank]

Why?

[Dan Katz]

Because you didn't want it?

[Hank]

I did want it. I was bringing to light the fact.

[Dan Katz]

That it existed memes. You'll never get this.

[Shane Bacon]

Thanks.

[Dan Katz]

You'll never get this.

[PFT Commenter]

You'll never get a 50.

[Dan Katz]

50. Oh, I bet you I will. First, I think I'm just gonna have to start doing 50 50s. Now.

[PFT Commenter]

One other thing about the White Lotus. Does anybody else have a problem where they get. They watch like eight episodes of a show that they really enjoy, and they get to the end and they realize that you don't know any of the characters names?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like on the top of your head.

[Hank]

I was having problems. Problems with that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Also the. The song from the first season intro song was. I was expecting that for this one.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They took out the central song.

[Hank]

Sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

They took out the Lulu lose. The. Yeah, the guy that wrote the song quit.

[Hank]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Because Mike White wouldn't use the Lulu lose in it.

[Dan Katz]

I.

[Hank]

That song was great.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, Memes. I was trying to get him a false start. Number three. 77. Oh, I'm wearing it. I'll go 76. For my boy Luca.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'll go 78.

[Dan Katz]

Boxing them in.

[PFT Commenter]

65.

[Dan Katz]

99. Put 15.

[PFT Commenter]

21.

[Dan Katz]

96.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.

[Dan Katz]

Sa.