NBA With Kirk Goldsberry, The Knicks Stun The Celtics With Special Guest Jerry O'Connell, Pacers With Another Thrilling Comeback, Hockey Playoffs And Listener Submitted FAQ's

Summary

Pardon My Take – Episode Summary
Title: NBA With Kirk Goldsberry, The Knicks Stun The Celtics With Special Guest Jerry O'Connell, Pacers With Another Thrilling Comeback, Hockey Playoffs And Listener Submitted FAQ's
Release Date: May 7, 2025

Hosts: Big Cat, PFT Commenter, Hank
Special Guests: Jerry O'Connell, Kirk Goldsberry

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1. NBA Playoffs Analysis

a. Pacers vs Cavaliers

The episode delves deep into the Indiana Pacers' remarkable performance against the Cleveland Cavaliers. Big Cat and PFT Commenter highlight the Pacers' resilience, particularly focusing on Tyrese Halberton's exceptional play.

• Comeback Highlights:
  Big Cat reflects on the Pacers overcoming a 20-point deficit, managing to come back multiple times within the last minute of the game.
  Big Cat (05:09): “The Pacers are just, they just never quit. They have alligator blood. They do not die.”

• Halberton's Impact:
  PFT emphasizes Halberton's clutch step-back three-pointer that clinched the game.
  PFT Commenter (07:24): “Halberton's step-back three to win the game. Silence the crowd. What a stud.”

• Defensive Strategies:
  The discussion includes the Cavaliers' defensive lapses, such as poor free-throw boxing.
  PFT Commenter (05:52): “One of them, I'll give you one of them. With D. Smith, when he came in with that dunk, awesome. He was definitely like inside the three-point arc, but who cares? That happens on every shot. You got to learn how to box out.”

b. Nuggets vs Thunder

Kirk Goldsberry joins the conversation to provide an analytical perspective on the Denver Nuggets' showdown with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

• Nikola Jokic’s Dominance:
  Kirk praises Jokic as the most skilled player in the world, likening his performance to a modern-day Wilt Chamberlain.
  Kirk Goldsberry (103:02): “He's the most skilled player in the world. He does everything at a very high level.”

• Foul-Up Threes Controversy:
  The hosts critique the Thunder’s strategic decision to foul up three-point shooters late in the game, a tactic that backfired spectacularly.
  Big Cat (16:07): “They should not have fouled up three. It just felt like the Thunder completely screwed that up.”

• Coaching and Team Dynamics:
  Discussion touches on coaching decisions and the Thunder’s need for a reliable second scorer.
  Kirk Goldsberry (105:07): “They need either Chad or J Dub to show up and attack.”

2. Special Guest: Jerry O'Connell’s Experience at the BET Gala

Jerry O'Connell shares his day-long experience attending the BET Gala alongside the hosts, offering amusing and candid anecdotes.

• Fashion Mishaps and Interactions:
  Jerry recounts wearing a satirical outfit to mock Met Gala fashion, which led to humorous exchanges with celebrities like Larry Fitzgerald and Stephen Nash.
  Jerry O'Connell (39:31): “It was so much fun there at the DraftKings sportsbook in Scottsdale. Larry Fitzgerald was like, the fuck are you wearing, man? Like, what is this?”

• Hank’s Ear Incident:
  A recurring comedic subplot involves Hank experiencing ear discomfort, initially attributing it to Jerry’s enthusiastic cheering during the game.
  Hank (35:57): “He was screaming bing bong into my ears. I woke up this morning, was like, damn, my ear hasn't popped.”

• Apologies and Clarifications:
  Toward the end of the podcast, Jerry clarifies that he never actually screamed in Hank’s ear, leading to a humorous exchange of apologies and denials.
  Jerry O'Connell (44:09): “I'm sorry, Hank. I never screamed directly in your ear.”

3. Hockey Playoffs Recap

The hosts provide an overview of a heated playoff matchup between the Washington Capitals and the Carolina Hurricanes.

• Game Breakdown:
  The Capitals struggled to maintain puck possession and faced challenges due to the Hurricanes' high shot volume.
  Memes (21:58): “The Caps had two highlights today. One OVI hit a one-timer... And Tom Wilson took another man's mouthpiece out of his mouth.”

• Player Highlights and Antics:
  Logan Thompson’s impressive performance for the Capitals is spotlighted, alongside Tom Wilson's aggressive on-ice actions.
  Memes (22:16): “Tom Wilson took another man's mouthpiece out of his mouth and gave it back to him. Said, here you go.”

• Fan Engagement Issues:
  The lack of enthusiastic support from the DC crowd is critiqued, with only a few fans showing any spirited support.
  Memes (23:15): “The only person in the crowd that did have juice tonight was Stanford Steve.”

4. Listener FAQs

The podcast addresses listener-submitted questions, providing insights and humorous takes on various sports topics.

• Apology Segment:
  Hank grapples with feeling he wronged Jerry during the ear incident, navigating the comedic tension created earlier in the show.
  Hank (75:10): “I apologize for nothing.”

• Pregame Routines and Snacks:
  Hosts discuss their pre-podcast routines, which include playful banter and sharing favorite snacks to boost energy before recording.

5. Other Sports Discussions

a. Soccer: Barcelona’s Unexpected Performance

The hosts express surprise at Barcelona’s underwhelming performance, contrasting their current form with past successes.

• Game Analysis:
  Big Cat and Memes debate the unexpected challenges faced by Barcelona, questioning why the team struggles despite high expectations.
  Big Cat (33:45): “We thought Barcelona would win. Everyone told me they win. They're struggling, and it's unbelievable.”

b. Horse Racing: Sovereignty’s Withdrawal from the Preakness

A brief discussion on Sovereignty’s decision not to compete in the Preakness Stakes, touching on broader issues within horse racing.

• Concerns Raised:
  The hosts criticize the handling of Sovereignty’s withdrawal, highlighting a trend of horses being sidelined after major wins.
  Big Cat (26:16): “This horse has been coddled his entire life. Torn, told it's special. It accomplishes one thing and then you never do anything again.”

6. Interactive Segments: Hot Seat, Cool Throne

a. Hot Seat: James Harden

Hank takes James Harden to the "Hot Seat," critiquing Harden’s playoff performances and labeling him the most overrated player, a claim that sparks disagreement among the hosts.

• Performance Critique:
  Hank (80:07): “Harden has 35 career playoff games with under four field goals made. That's insane.”

• Counterarguments:
  Memes (83:19): “I respect the fact that James Harden doesn’t give a shit. Everyone's got a thing.”

b. Cool Throne: Accountability

The "Cool Throne" spotlight focuses on accountability within sports, particularly addressing controversial decisions like the Ravens releasing kicker Justin Tucker.

• Ravens' Decision:
  Critique is leveled at the NFL team’s seemingly unfounded decision to release a top-performing kicker, with discussions on potential underlying reasons.
  Memes (90:08): “There's a bunch of accusers. It feels like a coordinated hit job.”

7. Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

The episode concludes with reflections on the day’s events, upcoming games, and a heartfelt nod to guest Kirk Goldsberry’s contributions.

• Kirk’s Insights on the Finals:
  Kirk provides a final analysis predicting Boston Celtics and Oklahoma City Thunder in the NBA Finals, emphasizing Jokic’s continued dominance and the Celtics' strategic advantages.
  Kirk Goldsberry (107:24): “Boston has a much easier path to the finals than OKC. Denver and Minnesota are both looking good.”

• Goodbyes and Apologies:
  A humorous exchange ensues as Hank and Jerry navigate the earlier ear incident, culminating in playful apologies and assurances.
  Big Cat (146:54): “He did yell in my ear, but that's all right.”

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Notable Quotes:

• Big Cat (05:09): “The Pacers are just, they just never quit. They have alligator blood. They do not die.”
• PFT Commenter (07:24): “Halberton's step-back three to win the game. Silence the crowd. What a stud.”
• Kirk Goldsberry (103:02): “He's the most skilled player in the world. He does everything at a very high level.”
• Memes (21:58): “The Caps had two highlights today. One OVI hit a one-timer... And Tom Wilson took another man's mouthpiece out of his mouth.”
• Hank (80:07): “Harden has 35 career playoff games with under four field goals made. That's insane.”

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Conclusion

This episode of "Pardon My Take" offers an engaging mix of in-depth NBA playoff analysis, humorous and candid interactions with guest Jerry O'Connell, a concise recap of a heated hockey playoff game, and insightful listener FAQs. The hosts, alongside Kirk Goldsberry, provide a rich narrative that balances statistical analysis with playful banter, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking both information and entertainment.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

And, and not only that, but it's the second time that Halliburton's done it in the, in the final two seconds of a postseason game. So that means. I was reading about this earlier. It said that LeBron James is the only other player since 1997. 98. That's when they started keeping track of play by play that has multiple go ahead field goals in the final two seconds in a single postseason. Pretty insane. Absolutely nuts ending in terms of boxing out on free throws. I feel like that's one thing that the Cavs need to work on a little bit. One of them, I'll give you one of them. With D. Smith, when he came in with that dunk, awesome. He, it was an awesome dunk. He was definitely like inside the three point arc, but who cares? That happens on every shot. You got to learn how to box out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, a Tony Brothers ref game. You can't expect anything to make sense whatsoever. I know people were complaining about that. Cavs fans, listen, the Cavs should have won that game. And the Pacers prove again that they, you have to beat them for all 48 minutes. I, I honestly think with the way they play, pace wise, with the way Rick Carlisle basically plays every single guy on their team, he'll just be like Ben Shepard of your time. You get, you get a few minutes here, like he, that, that doesn't happen in the playoffs. You don't play. I, I. Let me look up how many guys played for the Pacers tonight. You don't play the amount of guys that he plays. He played 11 guys tonight. That's pretty crazy for an NBA playoff game. And so the Pacers, with the pace they play, the conditioning they have, I really think that it's like, like they, they are built for this type of situation where it's like, you've seen it two times in the last three games where they're just going to keep going at you and they're not going to give up. And Kenny Atkinson even admitted it. He was like, we ran out of gas. Which I don't understand that either because the Cavs didn't have a guy over 40 minutes. But it's all credit to the Pacers. I know that the Cavs fans can, can, you know, say, oh, we missed this call, this call, that call. The Pacers are just, they, they, they have alligator blood. They do not die. And they, they have a belief in Tyrese Halberton he even said after, he's like, there's no way I was passing that up. He's the step back three to win the game. Silence the crowd. What a stud.

[Memes]

And you poked the bear to start the game. That was the dumbest move that the Cavs fans could have done. Is a chant overrated at Halliburton before it got started. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? He already knows that his fellow players talk about him being overrated. You don't have to, like, remind them of it. That's going to piss him off a little bit. So dumb move by. By Cavs fans. But when you say that they ran out of gas, I think they're just talking about Donovan Mitchell.

[Big Cat]

I think Donovan Mitchell team ran out of cash.

[Memes]

Yeah, well, Donovan Mitchell was the whole team. He scored 48 points, and then at the end, it was like, every time he got. He got banged around a little bit, he would take an extra 30 seconds on the ground because, yeah, he's. He's fucking tired, man. He scored 48 points.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. He was great. And we should mention, obviously, the Cavs were very banged up. Evan Mobley didn't play. DeAndre Hunter didn't play. Darius Garland didn't play. Those are three significant pieces to the Cavs, and they needed Donovan Mitchell to just be, you know, 48. 49. 48 points. Was it 48 points? Did he finish with 48? Yeah, I mean, they needed every single bit of that and more. But again, I think it's more about the Pacers, just, like, they just never quit. And Rick Carlisle is a very underrated coach. And this Pacers team is fun. And I don't know what, like, if the Cavs don't get healthy, they're in serious trouble. And again, it's similar to Monday night, where it's like, I thought the Cavs would win this game because you have the pressure of going down, potentially, oh, two as a home team, as a one seed. And for, I don't know, the first 30 minutes of this game, it looked like that was going to be the case, where it's like, the Pacers are happy to have their one win on the road. They're down 20, and then just shit started happening. Cavs couldn't get the ball in bounds. Couldn't. Like, the Pacers pressing them just flustered them so much. And Tyrese Halbert, big balls. I love the big balls. Dances back. That was awesome.

[Memes]

The big balls, the major league. It's awesome. It's really good. I'm Glad that he did it. I hope he. I hope he gets fined and I hope he's like, that's fine. You know, I'm gonna keep doing it. I also like when players do that. The old John Moran. You're not going to stop me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah, it is. Well, yeah. What's more dangerous, your balls or your guns?

[Big Cat]

I mean, Tyrese Halberton's ball has the most dangerous balls in the game right now.

[Memes]

Yeah, don't point. It's loaded. Don't point that thing at anybody. It was. Yeah, it was a crazy. There's no such thing as a lead in the NBA.

[Big Cat]

No, no. Not in these playoffs. It's been insane to watch how. How crazy he's. And we're going to talk more about this series and actually credit to Kurt Goldsberg when we talked to him because he had a good Tyrese Halliburton take. That looks even better. And we taped it in the afternoon, so it's always fun when that works out because you don't want to have like the knee jerk reaction of one game. Change your take, which we do all the time.

[Memes]

I like that though. May Madness. I feel like that could catch on the NB May. You know, May Madness is better.

[Big Cat]

May Madness. And again, we should call John Rossi and be like, dude, he's. I imagine he's just. He's like hibernating right now. And then anytime there's like, you know, if there's a war breaking out in Europe or the Middle east or if there's celebrity death. Celebrity death, he's going to be like, tulane has a non conference game against Chattanooga. Mark your calendars. December 2nd.

[Memes]

Today he was all over the fact that St. John's in Kentucky is going to be the highest rated non conference basketball of the entire season. Calling it a shot right now.

[Big Cat]

Whoa, Hank, do you take the Pacers for real?

[Memes]

Pacers are good.

[Hank]

That was a scrappy win. They were scrappy last year in the Eastern Conference finals.

[Memes]

You're so dismissive with.

[Big Cat]

But they're a year like it does feel.

[Memes]

Admit it, it was a little patronizing. Scrappy.

[Big Cat]

I'm giving him credit, but happy is.

[Hank]

A compliment, but is a. Is a good quality to have.

[Big Cat]

Here's the thing. They scrap their way back. They went through the wars last year and they got a little bit of scars. And now it does feel like they're a different team making these big time plays and never being out of it and kind of like because remember the. The. It was Easter conference finals, right. That you played them they. They look like. Like, they. They look like the team in that Easter conference finals that. What the Pacers are making everyone look like, you know, where they make mistakes. Down at the end of the game, the Pacers are forcing other teams to make mistakes. They're making these crazy errors, games that they could win. They're. They're. The Pacers are stealing from them. So I. I feel like they're. They're definitely a better version. And that Nesmith dunk that, like, took the soul of the Cavs.

[Memes]

It was crazy. And. And then they just forgot how to play after that.

[Hank]

The Cavs also are, like, not playing three of their most important players.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Ty Jerome should. Nice guy. He shouldn't be playing as many. I mean, I think he went 1 for 15, and he was the one who was guarding Tyrese Halberton at the end of the game. Was that. Let me look up. I don't want to slander. I think one for 14. Sorry. My apologies. He went one for 14. He's. It's a bad deal when you have Tyro Jerome taking 14 shots in a playoff game. Yeah.

[Memes]

And. And just. They forgot how to bring the ball up the court without committing offensive fouls. They forgot how to throw a normal inbounds pass without it getting picked off. It was. It was just comedy of errors in the last minute. It was crazy.

[Big Cat]

But I just love that feel of a team like the Pacers now have that feel where it's. It doesn't matter. These moments are not too big for them, where maybe last year they were, and this year just. It doesn't matter what the lead is. I mean, two. Two G. Two out of the last three games in a playoff setting to. To come back down seven in under a minute is insane. That's an absolutely insane thing to be able to pull off. And I think it starts with Tyrese Halberton just being like, I'm that guy. He's got that irrational confidence going.

[Memes]

I think it might be rational now, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it could be rational. Could be fully rational, but you kind of want it to be irrational.

[Memes]

Yeah, I'd like him to get a little bit crazier, but I'm looking up the stats right now with teams that have a 2o lead. I believe this is teams with a 2o lead. As the. As the away team, they win the series. I'm seeing 92.7% of the time. Are we ready to call it?

[Big Cat]

No, I want to see if the Cavs get healthy, like, if they get their guys back. I still Think the Cavs are a good team. So I'm not going to fully call it, but I. Pacers are. Are fun watch. They're a very fun watch. And they're scrappy as. And Tyrese happened there. There. There you go, Hank. Scrappy as. And Tyrese Halliburton is that guy.

[Memes]

But the way you say it is way different from the way Hank said.

[Big Cat]

Well, I was saying it to mock Hank.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, scrappy. Scrappy. They're scrappy.

[Memes]

You're like patting them on the head.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like they're adorable.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're scrappy.

[Memes]

Fun little story.

[Hank]

That was a scrappy win. I was watching that game being like, damn.

[Memes]

That.

[Hank]

I'm not. Like, I'm not.

[Memes]

There's no.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

There's no.

[Hank]

I'm not dissing them at all. Yeah, it was a good win. He is scrappy.

[Big Cat]

David Eckstein. Scrappy. Very scrappy.

[Memes]

Gritty.

[Big Cat]

No, he's gritty. There's a big. That's. That's. Scrappy is. Scrappy is like the. The teenage Spencer on the warriors. Teenage boy version of gritty. Gritty. You grow up to a man, you become great. A scrappy boy can become a gritty man, but it's not necessarily going to happen.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Scrappy is like. You do some small things.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

But there's a reason why you're not using a nicer word for it. Gritty is like you respect gritty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Scrappy is a patronizing word.

[Memes]

You were. You were being a little patron.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Scrappy.

[Big Cat]

You're a little scrappy guy, huh? You're a little scrappy. You're gonna do your little thing where you come back.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's a cute. It's a cute, cute little win. They did it twice. That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Good feeling. It was. Yeah.

[Hank]

Good for them.

[Big Cat]

Scrappy is basically like a 20 pound dog at your heels. That's crazy. That's. But you know, a championship team is, you know, a full grown 125 pounds championship team.

[Hank]

Like, like, they're. They're a fun little story. Like spacer.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

You get to gets the. Get hyped up on them for a couple more games.

[Big Cat]

I enjoy watching them play. I don't know what you want me to say. I love ball. I love ball. All right. The other game. Speaking of bad takes, I. This would be funny if the Pacers won because we just. If they want it all Hank, that would be an all time clip. But I had a clip, which I cop to when we're back in studio talking about the Nuggets Thunder. I had the warriors scheduled loss again. And guess what? The warriors did not lose. And they had, they did lose. Steph Curry. I'm a. But the Warriors. I don't know. I, I don't know what Steph Curry's injury status is going to be. I feel like he's going to be out for a game or two, especially now that they stole this game. But I. The warriors did not look like the team that played a game 7 2. Two days ago. They looked like the rested team. They were running everywhere. So much more energy and God damn it, the Timberwolves could not hit a shot. That was atrocious to watch.

[Memes]

It was a lot of that. It was partly Buddy healed like he kicked in big time. Steph Curry didn't. They didn't even really miss him after he left. There was a small comeback in the fourth quarter that made it, I think within nine at one point. But even without Steph Curry, they, they just kind of kept their foot on the gas and held him off.

[Big Cat]

Off.

[Memes]

But yeah, tough break for the Timberwolves, I think. Jim.

[Hank]

What?

[Memes]

No. Anthony Edwards didn't hit a jump shot until like three minutes left in the fourth quarter. Stan Van Gundy kept reminding America about that.

[Big Cat]

He was over eight in the first half.

[Memes]

They couldn't shoot a three pointer to save their life. It was crazy. They. They got a standing ovation when Nas Reed hit a three pointer in the third quarter because, thank God, o not going to go over for the entire game. But yeah, that. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. The old team that's banged up, the warriors, they somehow looked like they had more energy than the younger team, the Timberwolves, who had all the rest in the world. It was, it was very, very strange. And I, I didn't see it coming either.

[Big Cat]

No. And, and the Steph Curry thing, I, I hope he's okay because I want to see him play in this series. I do. What do you think? I think the first five games are every other day. So it does feel like they might sit him. I feel like he's guaranteed to sit on Thursday.

[Memes]

As a, as a 40 year old who's dealing with his own hamstring injury right now from softball. I'll just say I took a week off in between softball games and I came back and instantly tweaked it again when I started to run.

[Big Cat]

So be careful.

[Memes]

I think Steph shouldn't play softball for the next week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Or at least if he does, just make sure someone Else is running for you. Yeah, pinch runner. Yeah, pinch runner. Yeah. I, I hope he play. I, I feel like they're gonna sit him though, probably game two and three, and then be like, load up the clip for game four, because that's crazy that they stole this game. Like that was. Imagine, imagine the mood for the warriors right now. If they lost this game and Steph was out, you'd feel like this series was completely over. But I don't know. Timbrels can't hit a shot. This is a couple games in a row now. Like, remember the closeout game against the Lakers? They were just as bad from three. They shot 17% from three tonight.

[Memes]

There's absolutely nothing about this game that makes any sense at all. The warriors, they're so much smaller than the Timberwolves are. And it felt like the Timberwolves could just big body him if they wanted to, and they didn't. They kept trying to shoot from the outside and I guess it's just, you know, live by the jump shot, die by the jump shot. They're probably not going to be as bad in game two as they are in game one. And so I have to imagine that Minnesota comes out game two and, and beats the warriors by a good amount.

[Big Cat]

Actually. I, I, I would, I would think so. I would think so. But then you thought the Cavs were going to do the same. Nothing makes sense right now. The, the, I, I, I misspoke. They shot significantly better from three tonight than they did against the Lakers. In the closeout game, they shot 17% tonight. In the Lakers closeout game, they shot 14%. So that's a problem. Got it's make or miss league. Pft.

[Memes]

That's true. People forget that. And I think that if you just take the three quarters of this game, I, I want to say that was more like 10 from 3 until the very, very end of the game. Yeah, it was, it was ugly.

[Big Cat]

Very ugly. Very ugly. And I, man, if the Warriors, I don't even want to. Like, what if Steph, if Steph comes back and the warriors win another title is where.

[Memes]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, that was when we did the, the list of guys and the narrative guys. I think that Steph would definitely be in the conversation for, for top three of all time, especially if he was.

[Big Cat]

Like, incredible in the finals. We're getting ahead of ourselves, but that's what we like to do. We watch ball, then we come on zoom, then we get ahead of ourselves, then we do a zoom two days later and we say, hey, remember that thing I said that was stupid.

[Memes]

If Steph Curry wins NBA Finals mvp by the way, with a torn hamstring. He has a hamstring.

[Big Cat]

I think a broken thumb.

[Memes]

You got to put him ahead of LeBron.

[Hank]

I'd agree.

[Memes]

Still number. Do you think MJ's watching this series in the crowd like Donna Kelsey with a split jersey for. For Butler and Anthony Edwards?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's got to be. Yeah, it's gotta be Jimmy. But that was when you knew there was the warriors night when the Wolves were making a. A little run and then Jimmy Butler did the foul bait three where he just threw it up and it went off the backboard.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, okay, this is not this. The warriors are winning this game no matter what. It just felt like that. All right, let's talk some hockey. And we're going to talk more basketball with Kurt Goldsberry. And we obviously have the recap of the Beck Allen, Knicks, Celtics and Thunder Nuggets. Pft. Not the best experience, I would assume tonight.

[Memes]

Bad game. Bad game. We had no juice. I don't know if you watched in the game. We were juices. No, out there. There was. There was some issues from the back end. We just didn't. We couldn't possess the puck. We just. Every time. Here's the thing about the. The Hurricanes is they take a million shots. That's kind of their M.O. they will, they will shoot as many times as they can, which isn't the worst strategy in playoff hockey. But the downside to that is sometimes if you take a lot of low percentage shots, then you let a goalie get hot and then it becomes one of these things where you just can't win because the goalie's so confident and he's seeing everything. And that to a certain extent happened tonight. Logan Thompson had a great game for the Caps, but every miss that they'd have, we would get the puck and then we would turn it over in the neutral zone. We wouldn't be able to get it into their third. And yeah, if you look at the stats in terms of like where the puck was for most of the game, I think it was in the Hurricanes attacking end something like 20 minutes of the game. I think the Capitals. It was only down there like eight minutes of the game. Yeah, there was no energy, no juice. Tom Wilson had the lone highlight of the game.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Actually.

[Memes]

I'd say the Caps had two highlights today. One OVI hit a one timer and Wilson was standing directly in front of the goal and it hit him right In a stick and just broke his stick in two. That was cool. That was fun to look at.

[Big Cat]

That was very cool.

[Memes]

The other highlight was Tom Wilson took another man's mouthpiece out of his mouth.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Memes]

And then gave it back to him. Said, here you go.

[Big Cat]

And it's so different when Tom Wilson does it versus some, like, you know, when it's like a pest doing it. You can't. What are you supposed to say to Tom Wilson? Just kick your ass.

[Memes]

You just look down. It's like when I take a toy out of Blake's mouth because I'm the owner and he's the dog. He just kind of looks down at the ground. He's like, oh, he got me again. And then I give it back to him because I'm a good guy. But, yeah, there was. There was nothing. Nothing redeemable about this game outside of Logan Thompson.

[Big Cat]

All time sports sound is the road playoff hockey overtime winner. Where it's not like a clean goal, where it's like, you know, there's a. There's kind of like. There's a bunch of people in front of the net, I think. I don't think it got tipped. But still, it was one of those goals where you kind of see. You kind of see it, but you don't really see it. And then all of a sudden, the Hurricanes are just celebrating and the air coming out of a building on one of those moments, because the finality of it is just like, wait, wait. What the fuck just happened? Turn it back.

[Memes]

Yeah. You keep waiting for a replay. You're like, maybe he hit the goalie. Maybe it's. Maybe it's interference. And then you see the guys on the bench always know. So OVI was like the first guy out of there. He's like, that's game over. I can get in the tunnel and start having my vodka and chicken parm now. And it was. It was bad. I. I don't want to call out the DC Crowd, but I feel like I got to say something. There was no juice in the crowd.

[Big Cat]

More juice.

[Memes]

No juice in the crowd. Where's all the juice in D.C. right now? I have no idea.

[Big Cat]

Game two. Must win or can't lose.

[Memes]

I said tonight was a must win.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Memes]

But I'm doing must win again back to back. Never been done.

[Big Cat]

Have you thought about switching it up to a can't lose?

[Memes]

No, it's a must win. This one's a must win for sure. But it was the only person in the crowd that did have juice tonight was Stanford Steve.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I gotta credit him chugging that.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. They put Sanford, Steve and SVP on the. On the Jumbotron. And then, of course, svp. You know, he's class act. Classy guy, very demure. He just sat there and he, like, looked at Steve. He's like, okay, here you go, Steve. You're my. You're my resident. You're my designated beer chugger. Good job by Sanford Steve. We needed, like, seven more beer chugs from Steve to get any juice tonight.

[Big Cat]

Oh, and he could do it. Listen, yeah, I've. I've been out with Steve a bunch. You have two. Pft. You have two. Hank, I've seen just in the most casual. I remember I went to a Cubs game with him, like, eight years ago, and we were sitting at a bar. He asked what. How early we could get to a bar. Bar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my buddy was like, yeah, we can open a little earlier. We'll get in there. And then he's like, can I bring my bags? Like, yeah, no problem. I'll get them. I. I know the owner. He'll. He'll put him behind. Steve had like, four beers before I finished my first. And it wasn't like he was chugging. He was just drinking regularly. He just has a hollow leg, so that's a man.

[Memes]

It's like that.

[Big Cat]

Steve's not scrap. Would you ever call Steve scrappy, Hank?

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

No, Exactly. So there you go.

[Memes]

Yeah. It was like that scene in the Wire where the bar, and they're just cracking eggs into their beer and chugging it. That's what. That's what Steve. In fact, I don't even think Steve knew he was on the Jumbotron. I think he was just slamming a beer.

[Big Cat]

He just caught him in the. Yeah, every. If you just have a camera on him every 10 minutes, you'll get that. I'm starting to think it might be the Leafs year. It might be Canada's year. Because you also had the Oilers win tonight, game one against the Knights. And we have. So the oilers are up 1 0, the Leafs are up 1 0, and the jets are still there. It might be Canada's year. I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but that Leafs game was. Was electric. And I. I thought going into the game, I was like, man, the Panthers are going to be way better than Leafs. Like, we've seen this before. Leafs fans getting really cocky. It's obviously only one game, but winning game one is massive.

[Memes]

So there's some bad blood, too. Some very bad blood in in the Panthers leaf series, already Paul Maurice was saying that it was an intentional, filthy, dirty kick to the back of the leg. He could have ended the man's career. He was talking about Matthew Kachuk. So they're. They're pissed off. I don't think that there's going to be any sussies, though. I think.

[Hank]

Well, and Marshawn in the Leafs, like, the Leafs. Leafs fans hate him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I like the bad blood. I feel like the. I feel like the Panthers just bring bad blood everywhere they go, which is fun.

[Memes]

That's Florida. A lot of hepatitis.

[Big Cat]

So very fun. Yeah. The Oilers, I mean, that was a great game by the Oilers. They. They scored three goals in the third to. To beat the Knights soundly. Maybe could be the year for. We should. We should. We. We should talk about this plan real quick. If the Oilers did win, we just can't have Whitney on again.

[Memes]

Hmm. Well, it depends now. He would have to win mvp.

[Big Cat]

He'd have to win mvp. Otherwise we'd have a. We. We would just debate him to death on who's the best player.

[Memes]

It would be Jason Tatum all over again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, we. We got a lot of rounds to go. I'm actually rooting for the Oilers. I. I do love watching Connor McDavid. I hope no one tells Whitney this, but, like, we. We have fun with him, but he's so much fun to watch.

[Memes]

He is really good. The one thing that we can't have is an all Canada Stanley Cup. Can't have that.

[Hank]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

Can't have that. I like that.

[Hank]

Me too. Me too.

[Big Cat]

I want that.

[Memes]

Would they play both national anthems before the game?

[Big Cat]

I don't think so.

[Memes]

Or just, oh, Canada.

[Big Cat]

I think it's just O, Canada.

[Memes]

We can't have that. We gotta.

[Big Cat]

I.

[Memes]

You know what? I don't even count that as Canada winning a Stanley cup if it's two Canadian teams playing against each other. To be the man, you gotta beat the man, Right?

[Big Cat]

I would prefer two Canadian teams in one Canadian team because it's like, if it's been so long since they've gotten a cup and to have one of the. Like, the stakes for both Canadian teams be like, can we be the first team and the other teams and be just forgotten in history? Oh, man, would that be awesome.

[Hank]

Need it.

[Memes]

See, I think if it's. If it's Leafs, Oilers, which actually would be great. Just watch wit and biz go at each other. That would be fun.

[Big Cat]

It would be incredible.

[Memes]

We could also call it Mickey Mouse. No matter who won it's like, well, you didn't. You just beat another Canadian team, and they haven't won in 40 years.

[Big Cat]

Easy mode. Easy Mode. Also memes. Congratulations, you, the Islanders won the lottery. Still don't understand how the lottery worked. It felt like they made that way more complicated than it had to be.

[Jack]

I still don't know how it works either. I didn't even know it was happening. I just looked at Twitter. I saw a Chief's tweet that just said, what is going on? Followed by an Islanders tweet of the eyeball emoji. And then all of a sudden, I just saw Islanders got the first pick. And I was like, this is the greatest thing to ever happen because you.

[Big Cat]

Guys had the 10th best odds to get it.

[Jack]

10Th best odds, 3% chance of getting it.

[Big Cat]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Jack]

Now we have people just arguing over who we're going to pick, where. It's just like, it doesn't matter. You're going to get somebody good.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And you're going to get someone good who then will probably end up going to the Leafs at free agency.

[Memes]

Stop.

[Jack]

A lot of people were saying that. Just check, check, check the kid's Instagram. There's also a Long island kid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Make sure he doesn't have any. Yeah, yeah. Leafs, you know, betting that he was in when he was seven years old. You got to make sure. You got to make sure that doesn't happen.

[Jack]

Yeah. Scour the Internet. There's also a hopped kid who is a Long island fan, an Islanders fan. That. That could be the. The simple island from Long Island Islander fan. Hagens. He plays for Boston College Center.

[Big Cat]

And is he worthy of the number one pick?

[Jack]

A lot of people saying it's a reach, but you could trade down, get more picks.

[Big Cat]

But he's top five. He's top five.

[Memes]

You're like, yeah, but this. He's from the neighborhood, so it's pretty much just.

[Jack]

Yeah, just draft him so he'll never leave.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That lottery made no sense. I watched it back, and I was just like, what? It was like two numbers. And then just fucking tell us. Just reveal it.

[Memes]

Saying that there's. There's like, three guys that are standing out at the top of this draft. So. And I think the Blackhawks pick third. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did we fall to fourth? I think we. We could have fallen to fourth. I think we're third.

[Jack]

You. Utah, also jumped up. They're four.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're. We're. We're three. Because I know the Blackhawks had the second Best chance to get the number one pick. So they got kind of screwed there, but whatever. Three blackouts are going to be good in like another couple of years, I think. So. So, I mean, I don't know how to auto. I don't know how to get. I don't know how to get off of auto renew on my season tickets. So those are generational. My kids are going to have them. Their kids are going to have them. That's something I got. It's out of my hands. I like the season. We get to like late March and I just get an email that says, thank you for your first installment, for your Blackhawks tickets renewal.

[Memes]

You think that's bad? My grandkids are going to have Indianapolis cold season tickets because I can't figure out how to unsubscribe from that. So this is gonna be three seasons in a row.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That was. I made the smart choice with those doing the game by game.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

When we did it. Because I knew I was gonna get stuck in an auto renew again.

[Memes]

And that's where I'm at. But I get a nice gift from Mr. Ursay once a year, so that's cool.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Do we have anything else before we kick it to ourselves? And we have special guest Jerry O'Connell and then Kurt Goldsberry. Let's. Let's hop back in the studio. Okay. Before we get to Monday night's action in the NBA, which was incredible. You can see it in front of us. The new Mountain Dew cans are out. Pft. It is summertime. It is. What's your favorite part about summer? Mind baseball. Outside.

[Memes]

Mine's probably drinking Mountain Dew with the boys.

[Big Cat]

I love that. Golf season, Hank.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Getting it ready in golf season. Maybe going to the beach, boating river or a lake.

[Memes]

Yeah. My favorite, personally, is vacation.

[Big Cat]

Vacation. Well, guess what? Nothing goes better with baseball, boating, golf, beach, and hanging with your friends than the refreshing, citrusy kick of Mountain Dew. And look at these new cans. They went old school, baby. They went throwbacks. They are awesome. This is like nostalgia in a can.

[Memes]

It's a nice little vintage logo here. I like it. I even like the Diet Mountain Dew logo.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Pretty sweet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Makes me want to go outside.

[Big Cat]

They knocked it out of the park with the new Mountain Dew. Old Mountain Dew. But new Mountain Dew cans, we love Mountain Dew. There's nothing like the citrusy kick of Mountain Dew in the summertime when the sun's shining down. Ice cold Mountain Dew with the new can. Again, nostalgia in a can. Go check these out. Just so just the can alone, I don't even want to crack mine because then the can actually know what? I'm saved.

[Memes]

You saved this.

[Big Cat]

I'm going to make. I'm going to make a graveyard of cans.

[Memes]

Get it graded.

[Big Cat]

Yes, I will get it graded. So grab a Dew in the new packaging and enjoy the refreshing citrus kick Mountain Dew. Thank you to Mountain Dew, our wonderful sponsor. Okay. Monday night was an incredible night of basketball.

[Memes]

I think it might have been the best night of basketball in the last couple of years.

[Big Cat]

It was. It was insane. We had two road teams, big underdogs. Come back in very dramatic fashion and we'll start. Hank with your Celtics 45 missed threes. Jalen Brunson was insane down the stretch. There was a stretch there where it was 75, 55. The Celtics were up by 20 with 534 left in the third quarter and they were on cruise control. I think you thought the same thing. I thought the same thing watching the game.

[Memes]

I was like I said was over at halftime.

[Big Cat]

This is it. This is going to be a four game series. The Celtics are just so much better than the Knicks. And then in the next. Whatever it is, I think it's. I can't do my math real quick. It's like 14 minutes a game. So it's 534 in the third to 328 in the. In the fourth. The Knicks went on a 42 to 16 run. 14 minutes of gameplay, and Jalen Brunson outscored the Celtics 18 to 6. OG Anobi was unbelievable as well. This was a game I just, I was shocked. I was like, this is. The Celtics are going to win this game so easily. And then it just all flipped. And Jalen Brunson, I know there'll be Knicks fans being like, did you trash him? I don't like the Jalen Brunson foul baiter. I did say in that statement when we talked about it two weeks ago that I think he's a phenomenal player and very fun to watch when he's not foul baiting. And this was phenomenal. Jalen Brunson, I have a stat for you. PFD. You ready for this?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

The NBA put this out. There's only been three players to score 75 plus fourth quarter points through their first seven games of a postseason run. In the play by play era. Can anyone name the other two?

[Memes]

The first. How many games?

[Big Cat]

First seven games of a playoff. Of a postseason run. There's only three players to score 75 plus fourth quarter points.

[Memes]

Kawhi and nope, I'm going to go with Allen Iverson.

[Big Cat]

Nope. It is Jalen Brunson. Steph Curry. Ever heard of him? In 2023, Kobe Bryant, ever heard of him?

[Hank]

Oh, first seven games.

[Big Cat]

First seven games of a postseason.

[Memes]

Of a postseason.

[Big Cat]

He scored 75 plus. He's in the sentence with Steph Curry and Kobe Bryant. It's insane. Now, Hank, you had to watch this game with Jerry O'Connor. Yep. I think you said afterwards that it was the worst experience of your life.

[Hank]

Oh, that's what it is. What I've been complaining. We were recording this in the morning and I've been complaining about how I can't hear out of my left ear. My ear hasn't popped.

[Big Cat]

It was Jerry.

[Hank]

Jerry was screaming.

[Memes]

I don't know if he's screaming.

[Hank]

No, he was.

[Memes]

Was.

[Hank]

Because I was coming to people and telling them, like, hey, I can't hear my left ear. I had to start covering up my ear.

[Memes]

He was.

[Hank]

What did it sound like screaming?

[Big Cat]

What was he saying? Let's go, Nicks.

[Hank]

Let's go, Nicks. Jalen Bronson. But like not, you know, Jalen Brunson one time. Jalen Brunson two times.

[Memes]

He.

[Hank]

When he would do a Jalen Brunson, he did it for 30 straight times in a row.

[Memes]

Yeah, but I also saw.

[Hank]

And he would just sing Jalen Brunson until the commercial break.

[Memes]

I also saw a lot of Jerry whispering in your ear. Yeah, I saw him whispering bing bong. Bing, bong, bing. So it's not like you gotta. You gotta make up your mind.

[Hank]

No, that's what it is. I actually think I have ear damage. I'm actually not.

[Big Cat]

Jerry did. Did ear damage to you?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Jerry's in your head.

[Big Cat]

He's. He's firmly in your head.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And. And what was. Because I was sitting. I was all over the place. I. I live streamed you for the. For the overtime. But I wasn't sitting with you guys for the majority of the second half. He was just screaming bing bong over and over.

[Memes]

There was a little bit of that.

[Hank]

Not even bing bong. It was the defense. And then just whatever. Whatever player was.

[Big Cat]

He's a passionate fan.

[Memes]

Yeah, Jerry had an all time.

[Hank]

He was throwing his leg over my leg.

[Memes]

The leg placement was crazy.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Memes]

At one point, Jerry was giving Hank a lap dance and whispering bing bong into his ears. I. I gained a newfound respect for memes last night and. And sometimes for him, my ears.

[Hank]

I actually.

[Big Cat]

I wanted to know. I want.

[Memes]

You have to record that and watch the game at the same time. That's. That's very hard to do credit to memes.

[Big Cat]

I want to know what exact. Because I want to know, like, exactly what it sounded like when he was just screaming in your ear.

[Hank]

I mean, you can see the clips. I had to, like. It was, you know, all fun and games. We knew that that's what we were there for. But he was yelling so loud, I had to start, like, putting my. My finger in my ear to block it because, like, my. My ear hurt. And then I woke up this morning, was like, damn, my ear hasn't popped. My left ear. I don't think that's the problem.

[Big Cat]

So you woke up with Jerry O'Connell in your ear?

[Hank]

Yeah. Permanent damage.

[Memes]

He's in your head. Rent.

[Hank]

How does that work?

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[Hank]

What's going to happen?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Hank]

Am I just deaf?

[Big Cat]

Maybe? You know what? I can't live like this. I can't live like this. One of those things where the rest of my life, like, you hear a song, it gets stuck in your head. You need to hear it again to get it out of your head. Is that what it sounded like? Yeah.

[Hank]

This is the problem. It doesn't stop.

[Big Cat]

He won't stop.

[Hank]

Like, he's not gonna stop, like, one or two or three times. Fine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. So, Jeff. Jerry.

[Hank]

Jerry.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Tell us. Tell us from your perspective how the night was, because you. You haven't changed. I don't know if you slept. For people who aren't watching the YouTube, tune into YouTube. Because he's. He's back in his mesh green tank top in front of his car. His antique car. Yeah.

[Hank]

He's got the hat on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's got the hat on. Yeah.

[Memes]

Nipples are popping.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Hank's hat. Thank you for this.

[Hank]

Yep. Shout out to Josh.

[Big Cat]

This is our.

[Jerry O'Connell]

This is our Brokeback Mountain hat.

[Memes]

Hank.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah. First of all, my clothes, I do want to say. A lot of people are, like, saying, like, what is he wearing? Why is he wearing that? It was the Met gala. I was making a joke about the fashion at the Met gala, and I wore this. And I thought it was, like, all fun and everything until I had to meet Larry Fitzgerald and Stephen Nash at the party. It was so much fun there at the DraftKings sportsbook in Scottsdale. Larry Fitzgerald was like, the fuck are you wearing, man? Like, what is this?

[Memes]

It's a satire, Larry.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And I was like, oh, Larry, it's a joke. It's like the Met gala. The Met gala. And then I Had to meet Steven Nash. And, like, someone was like, oh, Jerry, this is Stephen Nash. And Steven Nash is like, what the. Are you, like, a dancer here? And it was like, no, no, no. I'm an actor. Kangaroo Jack. I'm wearing this for the BET Gala. It's a joke. So that was a little embarrassing. I was embarrassing wearing it, but, man, getting. I totally forgot about the game. Like, in the third quarter, I stopped watching the game. I was sitting at chicken fries table. I was sitting with the chicks in the office. Casey.

[Big Cat]

Everybody looked pretty.

[Jerry O'Connell]

It was fun. I was like, I'm giving up on this game. And then it happened. And I gotta tell you, I'm a little older than you guys. Very reminiscent of the 86 Mets.

[Big Cat]

Ooh.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And how they. And how they beat the Boston Red Sox. It really is reminiscent of that. A New York team just rising from the ashes like a Phoenix to destroy Boston sports. It is. It was so much fun. I never screamed directly in your ear. I never screamed directly in your ear.

[Hank]

That's from the day Queen rides on tape.

[Big Cat]

Dude, hold your nose.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Hold your nose.

[Hank]

I've been trying to do that. That's the problem.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you damage them.

[Memes]

This is not. Hank is. Is blaming you for something that is. That is not your fault, Jerry. Hank goes to enough concerts. He's had enough speakers in his ears. I don't think. I don't think it's hearing damage.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And also for a lot of it, I was just going.

[Big Cat]

You blew it.

[Jerry O'Connell]

So fun.

[Big Cat]

It was. But I got to tell you, you.

[Hank]

Almost strangled David, Jerry. That was fucked up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You almost struggled. Dave, you were very sensual with Hank. I thought you guys were going to fuck the way you were inside of his ear.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I got to tell you, Jersey Jerry pulled me aside. It was so fun to be with all the barstool people. It really was. Shout out to Blutman as well. Got to give Blutman, Blutman's dad, a shout out.

[Hank]

Also.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I keep forgetting to do this. Lutman's father, obviously, barstool celebrity is the one who said you should April Fool's Day, Max. And call his big Dom. So that was all. That was all Blutman's dad. Okay. I gotta tell you. So I'm there, and I'm. I'm, like, watching the game with Hank. There was some inappropriate touching. I'm sorry about that. I mean, should I talk to, like.

[Big Cat]

Barstool HR you also had. You just. You also just had a raging boner at one point point when you. You. You got a nice cock.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Well, it was just the game was happening. I swear it wasn't Hank. Anyway, Jersey Jerry comes up to me, and he's like, jersey Jerry, who I love, was like, hey, man, can I. Can I talk to you in a second?

[Big Cat]

This is it.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Like a timeout. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. And he's cool. He's got his new haircut. He's. He was fun. And he was like, hey, dude, what's.

[Big Cat]

You. What's.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What's your deal, man? What's your deal? And I was like, what do you mean? Watching the Knicks. And he was like, no, no. And he was, like, pointing at this outfit. He was like, what's your deal? You. You married? Like, what's your story? And I was like, yeah, I'm married. And he was like, well, why. Why are you doing all this?

[Big Cat]

What.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What is all that? Like, what's your story? I see you climbing all over Hank. Like, what is this?

[Big Cat]

Who.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Who are you? You have something you want to tell me? You had something like, get it off your chest, bro.

[Big Cat]

Get.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Like, be free. Free yourself. And I was like, carry on. I'm gonna go back and watch. Watch the Knicks. It was so exciting. But the piece de resistance was your boss. Stule presidente Dave Portnoy. Immediately, the Celtics lose. He goes into his phone, and I was like, I gotta go bing bong this guy. I gotta go bing bong him.

[Memes]

Good instinct.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Went right over to him, gave him a hug, thanked him for all he does. Yeah, he does a great job. And just bing bong them right there. It felt so good. You know what? I wouldn't have been a real Knicks fan if I hadn't bing bonged the fuck out of Dave Portnoy. It felt so good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it got written up in the New York Post. The New York Post had a story about Jerry O'Connell Bing Bonging Dave Portnoy.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Just bing bonged him right there. Did thank him for all he does. Thank you for all your. Thank you for all you do.

[Big Cat]

All right, Hank.

[Hank]

Hank has a question there. First of all, you.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Hank]

You ruptured my eardrum. And then we got to the airport last night, and Pft. Gave me what I thought was your whole outfit. Suit and jacket. And I. Originally, I was going to throw it away, and then I was like, you know what? When the Celtics come back and win the series in five, I'll wear the jacket and have my sweet revenge. And then I was like, damn, this. This jacket's wet. You just gave him the pants. And they were like, you gave me sweaty Disgusting ass pants.

[Memes]

It was gross.

[Hank]

And the second I realized it was just the pants, I threw them away. But that was like. Those pants were disgusting.

[Jerry O'Connell]

It was that sweat. And by the way, watch the video. It wasn't wearing no underwear.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so that's why the. That's why the bulge was popping on that one. On that one clip where you were orgasm in front of everyone.

[Memes]

We're leaving, and Jerry comes up to me. He's like. He's like, bring these pants to Hank. And then I touched them. He was like, oh, yeah, you might want to be careful. That's all my ass sweat that's on there.

[Hank]

And they were saying that to me. He's like, here.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Honestly, guys, full disclosure, I gotta say, loved the DraftKings sportsbook. Those mountain Dew cans look really cool. Great ad libbing there. You really stretch that out. But I gotta say, I gotta say I did. Did pop a couple of rocks on before the game just to, like, get the blood flowing. Just to, like. Just to, like, be like, oh, let's go, Nick. Let's go, Nick. Let's go.

[Big Cat]

Next. Oh, man, it was.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What a dream.

[Big Cat]

What a dream. What a dream.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What a day. What a day.

[Memes]

I got a question for you because you hit some big bets last night. And I know. I know that you're only allowed to bet a certain amount because of your wife, who we love, who's always welcome on the show. And I know that you hit a couple bets. Have you told her about those bets? And if so, do you. Do you get to hang on to that money or do you have to give that back to her?

[Jerry O'Connell]

No, already gave the money back. It's already. It's already gone. It's my wife's walking around money. She got was a little awkward, like, I didn't want to do this at home. Obviously, I'm in the park that I always stream to you guys from just because, like, I didn't want to put this on and, like, front of my whole family and everything. But what a night. What a night. You know, I'll tell you, first of all, everyone should bet responsibly.

[Big Cat]

A lot of people.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I saw you posted how much I bet and everything. Everyone should bet responsibly. But it's so funny. I had such better as remorse because I chickened out at the last second and I was like, all right, I'll take the Knicks with the points. You should always just bet moneyline bets, especially if it's with your heart. Just bet moneyline bets. What a bummer. What a Bummer. What a chicken shit I was.

[Big Cat]

You know, Jerry, I got a question for you. So you spent the whole day with us. It was great. Great. We played golf. We hung out in the suite, went to the Beck gala. Was it every, like, our operation? It was just fun having you around. I. It was such a joy having you. You around all day.

[Jerry O'Connell]

It was super cool. You know, when we were playing golf, I have a little bit of a slice a touch, but I am not a terrible golfer. Hank, I want you to say it.

[Hank]

You're not a terrible golfer.

[Big Cat]

Okay. That was nice.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Thank you.

[Hank]

Don't drive the ball very far.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I have a little trouble with distance. I do. Especially off the tee. I have a little trouble with distance. It's my thing. And, man, Big Cat, just you in my ear, just going. Just saying, like, wow, you have a little trouble with distance. You say the one thing that really fucking threw me off my game. It just. It was so emasculating. You really are quite effective, especially when you were on the other team. But I'm literally going to the range, and I'm going to my pro, and I'm saying, I need another 50 yards right now. This guy just was in my ear.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And also, it was really fun hanging out with you. Big Cat, if I may. I mean, is this. Am I allowed to be honest here with everyone?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Wonderful night, that. Did anyone try the steak at that DraftKings sportsbook?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

Had it all.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Oh, it was delicious. Just melted in. In your mouth. But going to a sports book with Big Cat is an interesting experience because you walk in, you're with friends, you're excited, you're. You're gonna watch a game, and Big Cat just starts at some point, just, like, pacing back and forth, and you're like, hey, Big Cat, what's going on? And Big Cat just goes, haven't cast a bet. Haven't cast a bet. Haven't want to bet. Haven't won a bet all night. Haven't won a bet. Haven't cast a bet. And it's like, oh, yeah. Well, we're just. We're having fun. We're here for the bet gala. It's kind of fun. And Big Cat just, like, looks off in the distance. He's like, haven't cashed a bet. Can't hit threes. Can't hit threes. This hockey game, it's not gonna hit six. It's not gonna hit six goals. You gotta be kidding me. Five and a half goals. I haven't cashed a bet. So Big Cat, if I may suggest, like, maybe just bet to have fun, you know, don't, like, make it. Because a lot of times, spoiler alert, you're not gonna win bets, you know?

[Big Cat]

That's true. That's true. And Jerry, that's. That's very fair criticism. I personally thought I took the BET Gala as a personal challenge where I was like, I'm going to bet everything in a lot of it. Because I was like, what else are you supposed to do at the BET Gala? So, yeah, I had a lot of balls in the air at the beginning, like that. That. Whatever it was, I think it was like 4:00 to 5:00 Pacific Time. Had a lot of balls in the air and none of them were going through the net. So it wasn't going well. But then it turned around.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah. Didn't you hit your over goals in.

[Big Cat]

The Maple Leafs game? Yeah, it was tough. When you start and you. Like. I was owing within like the first 15 minutes of the BET Gala, and that's when it gets a little, you know, the. The stress starts to rise.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I haven't cast a bet. I haven't cast a bet. Haven't cast a fucking bet. Cast a bet.

[Hank]

That's every Sunday in the gambling cave area.

[Memes]

It's not about winning bets. The BET Gala was about just looking hot with your friends and possibly giving them hearing damage.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So I'd say you succeed at those.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Sorry, what?

[Memes]

No, you did a great job, Jerry. We. We loved having you there. You brought a ton of energy. We appreciate it. I love the fact that you're up one another. Have you thought about the rest of the series? Because Dave told you.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I mean.

[Hank]

Yeah, just enjoy the one.

[Jerry O'Connell]

In all honesty, I gotta tell you, the Celtics look incredible, Hank.

[Big Cat]

They're really.

[Jerry O'Connell]

They're a frightening team in the East. So that was really fun, taking it one game at a time. Each game is a challenge. I mean, but the Knicks do have that special 86 Mets magic that just somehow finds a way, like Harry Potter, to beat Boston. They just figure it out. It's magic. It's magic. Hank knows what I'm talking about. Can you hear me?

[Hank]

Yeah. No, it's game one. I. I hear you. I hear what you're saying, Hank.

[Memes]

How old were you in that in 1986?

[Hank]

I was negative seven. Seven.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Negative seven.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Memes]

Well, Jerry, I. I do have one more question for you because we just talked about this on Sunday and we mentioned it briefly when we were playing golf, but you worked with Jerry Bruckheimer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

In Kangaroo Jack.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What was that experience like? Did he try to add any explosions? How. How badass is he?

[Jerry O'Connell]

He's an incredible producer.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Jerry O'Connell]

He really is. I don't even have a bit here. I'm not even doing a joke here. His attention to detail is everything. He looks at everything, and everything goes through him. And he really knows how to make people have an enjoyable experience in a theater. Best producer I've ever worked with. Such an honor, and I'm lucky to call him a friend.

[Big Cat]

Love that. Love that. Well, Jerry, let's hope this series goes six or seven, because we have plans to maybe fly you back for. Well, just. You know what? You'll just do Hanks right here. You'll even him out.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Hank, I hope you don't have hearing damage. I wasn't screaming in your ear. I was not.

[Hank]

How can you say that?

[Memes]

There's no.

[Big Cat]

How can you. Yeah. Like, how can you.

[Hank]

How can you say that? That's battle. That's. That's psychotic stuff.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I think you have, like, a cold. I think you have, like, a cold. Like, maybe a little cold or something. You know what?

[Memes]

This is journey. Hank's LeBron. He's like, oh, no. I got. I lost the game. So I'm all banged up now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

If game two was tonight, Hank couldn't listen to it.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Hank is, like, on the couch. The Knicks just beat the Celtics. And he's like, oh, my ear.

[Big Cat]

My ear. Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

No, that is. I woke up.

[Big Cat]

He did the.

[Memes]

Look up.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I see you. My ear, my ear. I'm injured. I'm injured. Are they looking. Is the stream on me?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Jerry O'Connell]

My personal favorite was when I was whispering, not shouting. I mean, infinity time. Someone read, how many times did you say bing bong on. On xd?

[Big Cat]

Everything up.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And somebody wrote infinity times when I was just in commercial breaks just going, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bing bong, bong, bing bong, bing bong. It worked, though, man.

[Big Cat]

What worked?

[Hank]

One thing I did respect Jerry was that Jerry kept saying, like. Like, you can say whatever you want to me, which I think was just his invitation to just go crazy on myself. He kept saying that. I was like, all right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's like, we love you, Jerry. What are we gonna say to you?

[Jerry O'Connell]

Well, it's so funny. I mean, it's like a relationship that Hank and I have. I was, like, touching him. I was engaging with him, and he didn't, like. He was like. Every time I touched him, he was like, don't touch me. You know? And I was like, you could touch me. This is a two way street, you know? I mean, like, I give a little. You give a little, and we have, like, a relationship, you know, like, what's the deal?

[Memes]

He wants you to do whatever you want to make.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I, I. There was never really a chance.

[Memes]

Yeah. Well, Jerry, great job. I was very happy.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Can you believe I still.

[Big Cat]

I know. What a. What a.

[Jerry O'Connell]

What a night. What a night.

[Big Cat]

I'm taking that win.

[Jerry O'Connell]

And we'll worry about Wednesday night when it happened. We'll worry about tonight when it happens. Yeah, man. What a night.

[Big Cat]

Good work. Good catch there. All right, Jerry, you're the best. We can't wait to see you. Hopefully game six or seven. Bing bong and Hank's ear. And. Yeah, it was. It was. It was sensual. It was. It was special stuff. It was special, special stuff, seeing you and Hank just having those moments. I think the one lasting image is Hank being like when. When my kids, when we're walking on the street and a fire truck goes by and they put their fingers in their ear. That was just Hank for the entire fourth quarter. Yeah.

[Hank]

And it's still. I'm still fucked.

[Big Cat]

Still fucked. Still. All right, Jerry.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Tough up, Hank. Come on. People play through injuries. Tough up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Thanks, Jerry. Okay, Hank. We had to get a spot. We had to get Jerry here, special guest, because he. He was with us all day. He is.

[Hank]

So it was.

[Big Cat]

It was just like a shot of energy. All day. Like, all day. Being with him is so much fun. I was. I didn't feel the best during the BET Gala because I was also battling kidney stones and thought I was gonna, like, shit myself and piss myself, but he is. He just brings the energy up. Yeah.

[Hank]

No, it was a great time, and it was, like, super casual. We were having fun because the game seemed like it was over, right? And then all of a sudden, it turned very quickly. But before that, like, we were. We were having a blast. He's a fun, fun guy to be at a party with.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. Early in the day, we were in the golf cart together, and Jerry asked me if. If we were being recorded, if anything was on. And I told him no. And then he started to tell me a story. And then halfway through the story, I realized that, yes, in fact, there was a GoPro in the golf cart. I was like, hey, Jerry, my bad. It's right here. He just stared at me like, what have you done to me? What have you done to my career? So Then every five minutes for the rest of the day.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Jerry would ask, is there a camera on us right now? Recorded right now? And it was. It was everywhere. It was in the hotel.

[Big Cat]

It was in the car at the.

[Memes]

Beck, out in the car. It was everywhere.

[Big Cat]

And I don't think it changed what he was going to say next. He would have said it if we said, yes, you were being recorded. You. He still would say the same things. He just. He's so funny. So funny.

[Memes]

We were leaving the golf course. Big head, I don't think I told you this, but we're about to leave the golf course. I go in to pee. Right after Jerry goes into pee, he walks out, and then I'm still in the bathroom. There are two other guys that are in the bathroom that just saw Jerry walk out. And they start talking to each other and they go, you know, the barstool guys are here. The other one's like, yeah, I know. That was just Big Cat in here. Somebody thought that Jerry was. Was Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I liked it.

[Memes]

It's pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Jerry's a good looking guy up front, up close. He's a good looking guy.

[Memes]

Back to the game, though. Hank. We like Joe Missoula. Big fans of his.

[Hank]

Love.

[Memes]

Great guy, great coach, best friend. Do you have any, Any. I don't want to even use the C word. Criticism. Do you have any. Do you have any notes for him on the game?

[Hank]

He's not shooting the ball.

[Big Cat]

That's true. But is there any. Is there any backup? It wouldn't even be because it feels like the Celtics strategy is shoot threes. Yes. Backup strategy is also to shoot three.

[Hank]

Missoula ball.

[Big Cat]

I think their emergency strategies shoot more threes. Is there like a fourth option that's not threes? No.

[Hank]

I mean, I think this goes back to even before the Missoula days, especially like the 2022 run where when things get tight, sometimes the Celtics fall back too much into isolation mode. One on one, step back threes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it happens. It's happened in the past, I think, obviously, you know, last year they figured it out. I think that was a good wake up call game of like, if we're not making our shots, we got to try and, you know, have run a better offense and just drive the ball. Yeah, yeah. But also, if we, you know, we missed 45 threes, if we missed 40 threes, we win the game easily. So it was a historically bad shooting night. We still lost in overtime. I'm not worried about the series at all. I'M not worried about the strategy or the team or anything. Like. Like, there's only so much you can do when you miss. Celtics in five, Celtics in five.

[Big Cat]

So, Hank, Jalen Brunson has to scare you a little. He's. He's. I don't.

[Hank]

I just don't think it's like if we. If we hit a couple more shots. That game was won easily. Like we should have won that game easily. That was a. That was an anomaly.

[Memes]

I'm looking at your shot chart from the third quarter. How many. How many non three pointers did you take during the third quarter?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Four.

[Memes]

You were to guess. No, you took one.

[Big Cat]

One. One.

[Hank]

That's really bad.

[Memes]

And it was. I think it was a dump or a layup, but everything else was outside. Outside the three point arc. And then if you look at the shot chart from before, I think this is from Chris Forsberg up to 619 left in the third versus the rest of the game. You guys just went cold. So I think there is some truth to it that if you have to make.

[Hank]

They had good looks too.

[Memes]

It wasn't some of your three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're gonna make threes. Are you willing to do game of the year Wednesday night?

[Hank]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Hank]

What's the spread?

[Big Cat]

Whose line is it anyway? DraftKings.

[Hank]

Seven and a half. Nine and a half. Nine and a Half was game one. I would guess seven and a half.

[Big Cat]

It might be.

[Memes]

I think. I think it would be lower.

[Hank]

I think ten and a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think it's higher. You gotta go desperation.

[Memes]

It does feel like game of the year.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'll go game of the year, personally. If Barcelona wins on Tuesday. So Barcelona has won today. It's game of the year.

[Big Cat]

Game of the year. Okay. Also shout out Mikhail Bridges because I know his stat line isn't like super Sexy. He played 51 minutes.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And he also had the big three. And was he the one who stole the ball at the end on Jalen Brown? I pretty. I'm pretty sure. Yes.

[Memes]

So, yeah, just ripped it away from him.

[Big Cat]

But like, having a guy who played 51 minutes is insane.

[Memes]

Did he say after the game, I'm a football guy?

[Big Cat]

I didn't hear that.

[Memes]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Memes. You're Knicks fan. How you feeling?

[Jack]

Oh, that game was unbelievable.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jack]

We had the best player on the floor last night.

[Hank]

Okay, got him. I think that was like a gotcha.

[Jack]

No, that's a good point. That's not a gotcha.

[Hank]

He was expecting like. Oh, he was Expecting like a rap battle. Like, you can add that in.

[Memes]

In post.

[Big Cat]

Psych. Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

Do the. Do the. That's the wrong number. And going, oh, my God, it's over.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Jack]

Well, I. I think we did.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, you did. You did.

[Hank]

Clutch player of the year. He proved it.

[Jack]

OG Anobi went off.

[Big Cat]

We.

[Jack]

They played good. Even though Cat had one of the worst third quarters of all time.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's clear they're going to just go after Cat to try to follow him out because he does when he's off the floor. The spacing for the Knicks is a lot different, so.

[Jack]

Yeah. Then they just go to Hackamage, which is just brutal. Watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that is brutal. Watch.

[Memes]

Josh Hart is a dog, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. He played like 46, 47. I mean, there's. These guys are. They're dogs. So are you. Do you think you can win this series?

[Jack]

I have more belief now.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Jack]

You just got to take a game by game, possession by possession.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Jack]

I was scared at. When they were down 20. I thought, I thought we were going to get swept, smoked. But they have a lot of fight. There's no quit.

[Memes]

Yeah. I think it's very unlikely that the Celtics have a three point shooting performance in game two like they did.

[Big Cat]

I'd agree with that.

[Memes]

I think just based on. On everything that you've seen from the team the last, like two years, honestly.

[Hank]

And they're going to drive more, they're going to get more. Even more open. Looks like.

[Memes]

I noticed this one thing about Tibbs last playoffs, and I think I've been confirmed about it as being correct. I think he might be going bald.

[Big Cat]

You think?

[Memes]

I think. I think he might be losing his hair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just a little. Just a little.

[Memes]

Tim should make the, like, not a.

[Big Cat]

Lot like, it's not like crazy. It's just like a tiny little patch.

[Memes]

He's got some good coverage for now, but I'm just saying something to keep your eye on because it's going to start showing up.

[Big Cat]

He wouldn't even have to do that much surgery.

[Memes]

And as a guy that has lost some hair, I feel like maybe I'm the first one to notice it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Because like, I recognize the patterns I saw in myself.

[Big Cat]

Because it's not like you, the normal person would not notice the tibs is going bald.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But you, it's. It's kind of like you're almost trained as a hair doctor now where, you know, like, hey, you're not bald yet, but like, give it 10 years, you might be bald.

[Memes]

I think the average person might start picking up on it in a couple years. So just something for Tibs. I don't know. I'm just looking out for him because I don't know if, you know, it's a hard conversation to have for some guys.

[Big Cat]

I agree. I agree. Yeah. All right. The other game, also insane. Nuggets, Thunder. Hand up. I'm a moron. I think I had the exact quote of like, this is a scheduled loss for the Nuggets. There's, you know, to go two days or. Yeah, two days rest into Oklahoma City, one seed waiting for you. It's basically a game that they might just punt on and try to win on gate on Wednesday night. Couldn't have been more wrong. The. The Nuggets kept on fighting and, like, pushing the ball, pushing the rock up the hill. And it was crazy because it felt like the Thunder had won this game so many times. They're up 10. It was just varying degrees of 10 where it was like, oh, yeah, then the Nuggets make a little run, then they're back up to 10. The Nuggets were up or. Sorry, the Thunder up 13 with 639 left. The Thunder upward nine with 302 laps. But Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world. He is the best player playing basketball right now in the world. He had 42, 22 and 6. It was MVP off with him and SGA, who also was very good with 33, 10 and 8. But the Nuggets. Aaron Gordon shot. I mean, I. I don't know your takeaway. Pft. But mine is just the Thunder. The Nuggets are a really good team. They've been there. They've been through the wars. The Thunder are young on the younger side, choked and should have won this game. And the mismanagement and missed free throws at the end of the game were just egregious.

[Memes]

I think that Jokic was the best coach in this game. Yeah, he was actually coaching the guys on the sidelines during timeouts.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Memes]

When he was off the court right before the Thunder fouled up three, he was like running the show. He was coaching for this. You saw him like in the technical box. He was like walking back and forth, calling people out.

[Big Cat]

But that, that moment, yep. Was the dumbest moment I've ever seen in these playoffs. In the fact that I do not understand for the life of me, the wave of follow up three has taken over basketball. I get the analytics of it. In no way are you supposed to follow up three without letting any time go off the clock and 75ft from the basket and yo, like, if you're the Thunder, how do you fuck this up so bad? Where. There's 11 seconds left left. You are up three. Jokic is on the bench. The. The Nuggets do not have a timeout play. Defense. You're the best defense in the league.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The worst that can happen is you go to overtime and there's 11 seconds left and the best player in the world's on the bench. Instead, they fouled in us like 0.1 seconds. Let him come back in. It was insane. Baffling. Baffling.

[Memes]

And they found a guy who. I think Aaron Gordon's like an 80 free throw shooter, and they found him so far away from the basket. Got Jokic back in the game. I understand the foul up three thing I personally hate following up.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Memes]

No, I think, don't get me wrong, it is. It's the right decision. I think most of the time with. If it's like 8 seconds to 2 seconds left, it's probably the right thing to do. If you foul under two seconds, there's a chance that they're in the act of shooting anyways, so they might be able to get a cheap three foul shots out of that.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

But I think from what all the. All the math nerds say, it's like eight seconds and under, it could be the right choice. But again, I don't think you can even say right or wrong all the time because it just. It's all based on how good are your foul shooters.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

So there's a lot of variables that go into it, and you just don't.

[Big Cat]

You never ever do it without let. You have to let them a little time come off the clock.

[Memes]

Yeah, I just, I. I don't like it. You can't really. You can't really ban it, but it seems like the coolest part of basketball is like a buzzer beater or a game coming down to the wire and following up three. It just. It takes that away from somebody that's watching it. I know if you're like a fan of either team, you've got something different invested in it. But if you're just watch game, it just steals the possibility of having a great ending for you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You fell 3. So again, if you're a coach, I. I get why you would do it in some circumstances. I just hate it. There's probably no way to get rid of it unless you also get rid of fouling when you're down to extend the Game y. So I understand that, but. Yeah, Jokic just. Did you see him on the inbounds play when they. They inbounded to chat before check got valid at the end? Well, a couple things. So, one, right after Aaron Gordon made his foul shots, you know what happened right before? I. I think that there might have been a timeout call. There's a brief break in the action. Chet went up to the line, got the ball, and simulated taking a foul shot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like he knew he was about to get fouled.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

On the next possession, he was thinking about it that entire time. Then he gets in, Jokic turns his back to the ball and starts doing the electric slide on defense. Just like jumping all over the place, getting into passing lanes. They foul chat. And then Chet, he just looked like he was going to himself at the line. Yeah, he did not look confident. And that's probably like. The Nuggets won't find themselves in a pressure situation like that because they've been there. They've been in big games before.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

This is all kind of new for the Thunder. And then check gets up there, and he holds the ball forever when he shoots a foul shot.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Memes]

There's like this big pause that you can just tell he's thinking like, don't this up. Don't this up. Don't this up. And then he it up. And I. I'm very happy for Aaron Gordon, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

He's had a great couple weeks.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Big time. And, yeah, you are right. There was the Thunder user last time out. Chet Holmgren's free throws. Another coaching malpractice move. Because what happens at the end of the game, Aaron Gordon hits a 3 with 2 seconds left. You need to have a timeout in your back pocket so that you can advance the ball.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, you have that. That's crazy. So this was just. This was just a masterclass of a young team not being through it and not knowing how to close out these games. And the Nuggets being the opposite in a team that's been through the wars and Jokic being the best player in the world. I do have a couple. And also, by the way, Russell Westbrook. We almost had a Russell Westbrook moment where he hit the three. He almost hit that three. He was wide open to go ahead before the chat. Free throws. But then credit to Russell Westbrook. He's having a very good playoffs as well. His drive to set up Aaron Gordon, if you watch it, like, you know, in Russell Westbrook's head, he's like, I'm going to go be the hero.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Instead he dry. He takes like a step or two into the past the three point line. Chet has to sag off. Then he hits Aaron Gordon. Perfect pass, perfect shot. Like that was Russell Westbrook. I don't want to say growing up, but like, because he's very old. But look at this. Like, he gets Chet to kind of commit a little bit with a false step. And Russell Westbrook needs a lot of credit because you make a lot of jokes. He's been very good. These players, they don't win these games without rest.

[Memes]

Versus Russ. And Russ. Russ won and they were down one when Russ was taking the ball up court there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And so he could have tried to go nuclear and do the thing. Get rushed.

[Big Cat]

Correct. He could have been like, I'm.

[Memes]

Russ drives to the hole and then just like spikes it off the backboard and the rebound lands at mid court. But he didn't. He made the right pass. I, I kind of like what Aaron Gordon. It makes no sense to shoot a three there, but it's like the different levels of, of, of brain activity. Normal good brain activity is taking a two down three late.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Inspired brain activity is taking a three when you're down two.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

To get a one point win. And then genius level is taking a three when you're down one.

[Big Cat]

Well, it was imperfect. Like he, he stepped right into it. It was perfectly. He was wide open. Incredible game by the Nuggets. The Nuggets are just fun. Like Yokos is so much fun to watch. I just fucking. I love watching him play basketball. I do have a few things that I'm concerned about for the Thunder in this series now. I think it's going to be a long series. We've talked about the youth. The other things that I have that I'm concerned about. The Thunder one, this was the bugaboo all year was like, they're not very big down low and. And they get bullied a little bit because Chet Holmgren is not exactly stout.

[Memes]

I think Jokic could eat Chet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I think like maybe a week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, give him a week.

[Memes]

He'll. He'll consume him.

[Hank]

Especially when he's just played a full series against Zubak.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Right. So then he goes to. It's basically he. He played a full series with like six batting donuts on and now he's. Now he's swinging a wiffle ball bat. So the Nuggets out rebounded the Thunder 63, 43, including 21 offensive rebounds. That feels like a problem that Feels like something that might. They might have to figure out, hey, we're going to have to put more people on the glass. I don't know what. What that's going to end up being, but that's. That's a problem. I also think the problem with the Thunder is who's going to be their second guy because they wasted a Caruso game. Caruso was awesome. This game. Jalen Green is like, was not the second. You need a second guy who can step up. And they had a bunch of guys who scored, you know, 10 between 10.

[Hank]

The Thunder have so many guys. Big cat.

[Big Cat]

Right. You don't have the second guy.

[Hank]

Pft. You gotta step. Step in.

[Memes]

What about guys?

[Hank]

Yeah, they have guys for days.

[Big Cat]

I forgot your guys. Who's their second guy to score? Probably they're Jalen Williams. Sorry I said Jalen Green. Jalen Williams.

[Memes]

Their second guy to score.

[Big Cat]

Jalen Williams. I don't know. Jalen Williams should be their second guy, but I don't trust him as their second guy.

[Memes]

They've got a lot of second guys, a lot of different guys. If you have. If you have five second guys, do you really have one?

[Big Cat]

This is a problem. I think you just retroactively, like got demolished in the guy off.

[Memes]

Oh, no, I didn't. Because the point of the guy off was that there was at least one player, one guy on the Thunder that was better than one guy on the Celtics. That was the guy off.

[Hank]

Got it.

[Big Cat]

Just. It was just a statement. Was SGA is better than Tatum?

[Memes]

No, that was not. I don't think that was the statement. Sga, do you like watching sga?

[Big Cat]

He's in the camp of the Brunson Harden where it's like, to be fair, a lot of times he will foul bait. I do like watching him. But when he gets into that mode where it's just living on the free throw line, it's not as fun. Yeah, that's just. It's again, not saying he's not an incredible player, because he is. It's just when it becomes all foul shots, that's not fun basketball to watch.

[Memes]

I do like the thing that he does where he just takes the longest possible route ever to get to the basket.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And he just zigzags back and forth like six times. His knees kind of bend out and. And he just looks like he's Gumby. Like he's elastic. Yeah, I like that. But then when he. When he does the thing where he hits the brakes or jumps sideways into it.

[Big Cat]

Right, right. It's fair. It's the fairness. It's the same thing as Brunson, where it's like, I think both of them are so awesome, but when they do get into that mode, it's not fun to watch. I just don't know. Caruso had 20 points, and, like, they. You just need. They're going to need someone to step up, and it might just be that they. They're a year away from. From one of those guys being the step up guy. And then the last thing that concerns me about the Thunder is our boy didn't put on the shirt again. And he not only didn't do that, but he mocked it. He mocked the shirt. Pft. You were correct in saying that those black shirts do not play. Yeah.

[Memes]

The thing is, with Oklahoma City, you're a great. Maybe the best T shirt city in America when it comes to sports.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Right.

[Memes]

We can all agree on that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, absolutely.

[Memes]

Almost everybody wears the shirt there. 99.98% of the fans wear the shirt. You're taking away your T shirt advantage when you wear a dark, muted color. Like, was it navy blue or was it. Was it black? It was a very dark color, and it didn't pop. Usually you get either the white or the blue and the. The light blue in the stands, and you know that it's a T shirt game. I didn't even know it was a T shirt game at first.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It just looked like there were empty seats out there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And so our guy, Juan Guerra, there was rumors going around the Internet. Actually, you said to me in person, pfd. You're like, I think the guy put the shirt on tonight. And he. That's because he basically is mocking everyone who puts on the shirt. He had a pull out being like, who thinks that I'll wear a black shirt tonight? Because that was the shirt of choice for everyone. And it was no minus 1,000. Yes, plus 600. And then he's like, for everyone who said that I was not gonna wear a black shirt, you're wrong. He was wearing a black shirt. He was just wearing an orange Oklahoma City Thunder jersey over it, making sure that he stuck out more than everyone.

[Memes]

Mm.

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[Memes]

I don't like it at all.

[Big Cat]

He's. He's just. He's mocking this T shirt culture now. Like, it's one thing to be. Go be yourself. You know, be an asshole, say you're not gonna wear the shirt. Fine. Make it all by yourself. That's fine. Do it. But now you're mocking those that do. Come on. Man. So I think if the Thunder lose game, too, this guy. Someone's got a. Someone's gotta, like, hold him down and put the T shirt on.

[Memes]

You know what they have to do? They have to trap this guy. What. What the Thunder need to do is next home game, they need to not give out T shirts at all. And then see what color T shirt this guy's wearing. Let's say he wears a blue T shirt. And then you have the T shirts ready to go. You send out, like a. Like a Delta force of marketing people into the crowds, passing out all the T shirts to match that guy's shirt.

[Big Cat]

He would be so mad. It would be so great. Yeah, because that's all he wants to do, is just stick out. And he. He always will. Quote. What you got breaking Moose? What?

[Hank]

My ear popped.

[Big Cat]

Oh, there we go.

[Memes]

Hanky, you have an apology for Jerry?

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm sorry, Jerry. You blame.

[Big Cat]

I got worried.

[Hank]

I got worried. I got worried.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Memes]

You accused him of assault.

[Big Cat]

We gotta call him.

[Memes]

You're Hanky, smile.

[Big Cat]

I gotta call him real quick.

[Hank]

Oh, well, yeah. You guys saw it happen in real time. When I realized, like, oh, this might be a problem, but it's not.

[Big Cat]

So you just blamed. You blamed an innocent man.

[Hank]

I didn't blame. I said, this could have been the.

[Big Cat]

Reason once in your.

[Hank]

He did yell.

[Big Cat]

Not one single time.

[Memes]

It's Jussie Lockwood.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy.

[Hank]

What?

[Big Cat]

You should feel bad.

[Hank]

I don't feel bad. I'm happy. I can hear.

[Big Cat]

But you should feel bad for blaming an innocent.

[Hank]

My career was on the line. You can't podcast.

[Memes]

Jerry's career was on the line. You said that his voice was so damaging that it caused. Caused your eardrum to rupture. That's his livelihood.

[Big Cat]

All right, well, he'll listen to this and he'll. He'll hear. Are you officially apologizing?

[Hank]

I don't really know what I did. I said that might have been the reason.

[Memes]

No, you blame.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I remember why he was yelling in my ear.

[Hank]

He was.

[Big Cat]

I don't think he was. He said that he was not. Yeah, you're.

[Memes]

Why you're trying to listen. This is very unbecoming of you, Hack. You need to learn how to lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Hank]

I apologize for nothing.

[Big Cat]

What do you guys think is going to happen in the rest of the OKC series?

[Hank]

I mean, it's the Thunder. The Thunder are stacked, like, they're the best team in the league. There's no way they lose a series.

[Memes]

That's good.

[Hank]

It's it's not even the Western Conference finals.

[Big Cat]

I'm not going to overreact to one game. I do think there are issues with them rebounding.

[Memes]

I. I think it might be. It might be time for a game of the year. Game two for the Thunder.

[Hank]

Yeah, definitely.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I. I think both the home teams will even the series.

[Memes]

I love how much Hank respects the Thunder. That's.

[Hank]

How can I not?

[Big Cat]

How can you not?

[Hank]

They've. They've proven so much.

[Memes]

I mean, they won a shitload of games this year.

[Hank]

Yeah. No regular season wins means everything.

[Memes]

Yeah. I think Chad will be better, I think. But again, like, seeing him. Dude, it does. No, it's like old man strength.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Man versus boy.

[Hank]

And he knows it. Everyone knows it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When you're watching Yic, all Chad has is his size. But YIC doesn't care about that.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

It's like, I'll eat you.

[Big Cat]

He just. Big body boys.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Constantly. There was one possession where it was just. Yeah, he was just big body boying him, like, to the point where y. Like, all right, now I'll throw it off the rim, and it will hit, like, you know, 95 of the rim rolling around and then go in.

[Memes]

There has been a lot of disrespect towards the Nuggets. A lot. Like, when they were. I think it was even after they won game seven. They were by far the last. I think the warriors had better odds to win the NBA championship than the Nuggets did.

[Big Cat]

I mean, that would. Wait, you're saying that before.

[Hank]

Before the war. Game seven, though.

[Memes]

No, I'm saying, like. No, I'm saying, like, in the West.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, that's not the. The Thunder are the 1 seed. I don't think that's disrespect. No.

[Memes]

But even though they had already advanced, and I don't think that the warriors had advanced yet.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Memes]

The warriors still had better odds to win the championship. It is disrespectful. And I checked the odds again today, this morning. Not. Not a lot of movement. It feels like they can actually play the disrespect card right now, which is crazy considering how good they've been.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Should we do hot seat? Cool throne, Incredible night of basketball? That was just the best. I mean, that's gonna be tough for. For the hockey guys to hear it, but that was. That was two in insane, insane game ones. And if these series. The series can, like, match the game ones, we're in for a very fun time. All right, so Hot seat, Cool throne. Okay, before we get to hot seat cool throne is brought to you by our friends at game time. NBA playoffs are here and the only place to buy hard to get playoff tickets is game time, the official ticketing partner of barstool sports. With killer last minute deals all in prices, views from your seat and their lowest price guarantee, Game time takes a guesswork out of buying NBA playoff tickets. Price on the app actually go down the closer it gets a tip off and you can save up to 60% when buying last minute tickets. Looking at tickets, Celtics, Knicks, game two. Hank.

[Hank]

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[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

My hot seat is James Harden.

[Memes]

Why?

[Hank]

Obviously it was, it was talked a little bit about but I feel like it was kind of a weekend so it got a little bit get kind of passed over how bad he was in. In that game seven.

[Big Cat]

I think we thought the biggest chill.

[Hank]

No, I know, but I'm just saying it was like that. It was that one day. But it's kind of like people kind of. Yeah, there was games Monday and then.

[Big Cat]

People have Saturday game, then there was a Sunday game seven. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

[Memes]

So. But it's happened so frequently that it's hard to. It's hard to muster up that same energy every single time he does. It's like being like, oh, can you believe Harrison Ford got into another plane crash.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

By the way, every week I totally thought that that was him. The, the golf course.

[Memes]

Me too. That was my first thought.

[Big Cat]

Got to be Harrison.

[Memes]

That's the H man.

[Hank]

Yeah, I agree. And I'm, I'm a James Harden fan. I'm also a lefty. So I've always, like, I've always, I've never rooted against him except for those, those Philly years. But it's like as a lefty, I've always enjoyed watching him play and I kind of like his attitude of just like not giving a. In clubbing and, and flying to Vegas on off days.

[Big Cat]

He kind of. You kind of are the James Harden of this show.

[Hank]

But then big moment they put up.

[Big Cat]

Hank's not there.

[Hank]

That's not true.

[Memes]

But are you just like you, you have a soft spot for any left handed guy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You know who else was left handed?

[Hank]

Who?

[Memes]

Hitler.

[Big Cat]

The other H man. What?

[Memes]

Stalin.

[Big Cat]

Wait, Hank. What other lefties? Because I do find myself, my oldest is a lefty. And so I point out like we go to the Cubs game, I'm like, hey, Kyle Tucker's really good. He's a lefty. Like, are there lefties that I should.

[Hank]

Get him onto in the NBA? I mean, Luke Cornette was always a classic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Luke Canard.

[Hank]

I mean, Luke Canard. Campaign, campaign, campaign. Call James Harden. It's more, I feel like it's more Bailey Shireman.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean there's no the quarterbacks tua.

[Hank]

Yeah, there's not a lot.

[Big Cat]

Tough. It's tough.

[Hank]

Johan Santana.

[Big Cat]

You're also a fake lefty.

[Hank]

I'm no lefty. Lefty baseball, lefty basketball.

[Big Cat]

Now you're righty golf.

[Memes]

One of those lefties where you never really know what Hank's gonna do with his left hand, what he's gonna do with his right.

[Big Cat]

Right. Right.

[Hank]

You ambidextrous. You could be righty, but I'm lefty. I'm ambidextrous.

[Memes]

You swing golf that, I mean you. And that's the most important thing in your life. And you play that right handed.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

So golfer. I'm not, I look at right handed golfers, but again that's, I think it's natural that you, you know, enjoy people that do things in the same way you do regardless.

[Big Cat]

Not when golfing.

[Hank]

No. Like I, I like right handed golfers.

[Big Cat]

Like I, I James Harden, when he gets on a golf course, you're out.

[Hank]

On, on him if he's a lefty. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, they put up a stat during the broadcast that again, it's like kind of everyone kind of knew how bad it was. But this stat really emphasized how truly horrible he is. Career playoff games, under four field goals made, and it was Kevin Durant, he's got two. Steph Curry, he has three. LeBron has five. James Harden has 35 career playoff games with under four field goals made.

[Big Cat]

That's insane.

[Hank]

His career's on. You know, he's, he's getting older. It's. That's bad. That's his legacy.

[Memes]

I respect it though. I do. Everyone's got to have a thing. And I respect the fact that James Harden doesn't. He just doesn't feel like working.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But yeah, it's bad. That was, that was eye openingly bad. Tough, Tough for the Harden stance.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. Did you hear the stat of like how many games with under 20 points he has in the playoffs? I think we talked about this on, on Monday, but yeah, LeBron James has zero and I think Harden has like 12.

[Big Cat]

I'll say this for James Harden at least, obviously this year aside, because it was first round, a lot of his. Oh, Barcelona just scored. Yes. Barca. Wow. At least a lot of his playoff chokes have happened in the second or third round.

[Memes]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

So he's, he's won a series.

[Hank]

Yeah. This Barca team is different.

[Big Cat]

This game has been incredible. Well, that's talking soccer.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That was talking all time, big time.

[Memes]

It's been a lot of stuff.

[Hank]

One of the best soccer games I've ever watched.

[Big Cat]

Barca. Do you say Barca or Barca?

[Memes]

I think you say Barca, but if you say Barcelona, then it sounds like you're a man of culture.

[Big Cat]

I can't wait. I bookmarked this one. Idiot. Because I said, what's the play in this, in this game? And. And everyone picked Barcelona. Barcelona. And they went down 2 0. And I was like, why is Barcelona so bad? Everyone told me they win. And someone's like, your. Your followers aren't smart enough about soccer to give you a winner. So I'm gonna quote, tweet that. Small victories.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's great.

[Hank]

Still got some game left.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're right, you're right. They got this.

[Hank]

They got this bar. It's Barcelona.

[Big Cat]

Rafinha. Oh, that's one of the guys that picked the score. Let's go, let's go.

[Hank]

And then. Yeah, my cool tone. You like this one? Big cat. Caleb Williams.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

So Jane Daniels. I mean, Drake May's married. Jane Daniels.

[Memes]

No girls.

[Hank]

No girls allowed. Like, not even allowed in the same. He's like, if a girl is there.

[Big Cat]

He'S like a six year old's clubhouse.

[Memes]

We're after one year old's tree house. We're after one ring only, baby. That's super bowl rank. Do you see the video of Jaden with his mom in the car?

[Hank]

No.

[Memes]

So he was out and he like sitting there.

[Hank]

She was driving.

[Memes]

He was getting out of the car and there was a girl that was talking to Jaden on the sidewalk and his mom was in the car. His mom just kept saying, excuse me, excuse me. I love her. She's the best.

[Big Cat]

It's a little creepy.

[Memes]

She's the best.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Meanwhile, Caleb Williams was in Miami and he got out of a car at a restaurant with three different like supermodels.

[Memes]

Hell yeah.

[Hank]

That's. That's, that's a QB one you want? Yeah, that's QB one aura.

[Memes]

Is it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. Not a helicopter. 24 year old, no girls.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty damn cool to get out of a car with three chicks. Like, not I never in my life.

[Memes]

That would be the most, most stressful evening ever. Imagine going on a date with three women at once. That'd be tough.

[Big Cat]

Be sick. Yeah.

[Hank]

But that just means he's got something.

[Big Cat]

Hey, they're good looking too. All due respect. Yeah. Okay.

[Memes]

So.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Cool throwing, Caleb Williams.

[Big Cat]

Good job, Hank. Hank. Great job, Hank.

[Memes]

Nice job, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Great job, Hank.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Memes]

Thank you. My hot seat is horse racing. Horse racing's on the hot seat because Sovereignty just announced that he was not going to be competing in the Preakness. So we're one and done.

[Big Cat]

Sucks. I'm still gonna have Randy Moss on because we love talking to Randy Moss, but this sucks.

[Memes]

I guess. Sovereignty might race in the Belmont. They haven't made an announcement about that yet, I don't think. But I don't know. I don't know why you would. Because it just seems like.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's money. Yeah.

[Memes]

Money, but. But also you already won the Kentucky Derby. That horse is going to be set for life. Yeah, it sucks tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

I mean, there's. There's thoughts that he might be. Have an injury. Obviously a quick turnaround, but that's the whole point of this. Winning the Triple Crown is not easy. What to say. We received a call today from trainer Bill Mott that Sovereignty will not be competing in the Preakness. Bill informed us they would point towards the Belmont Stakes. We extend our. So he didn't even. Sight and injury. It sucks. This is, I think the third time it's happened in the last 13 years. So it's obviously a Trend. Yeah, this is. This is. Horse racing has a lot of issues right now and this is definitely one of them that these. We talked about it, remember, a couple years ago, Flight Line, one of the best horses I've ever seen in my life. And he raced, I think five races and then. And then was studded. Like I wanted to see him race more. So it sucks. Yeah.

[Memes]

Eventually the horses aren't even going to ever race. They're just going to like get a radar gun out, out. And they'll be like a two year old horse and like this is the fastest two year old we've ever seen. He's never actually going to compete, but you can buy his offspring.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that does suck. Yeah.

[Memes]

So it's tough.

[Big Cat]

We will still get Randy Moss on, though.

[Memes]

It's like Shador skipping the East West Shrine Bowl. We want to see more of these horses.

[Big Cat]

So you're saying, Sovereignty, you are now a Cleveland Brown.

[Memes]

I'm saying I'm going to prank call Sovereignty.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Memes]

Somebody out there gave me Sovereignty's number. I would love we should harass this horse.

[Big Cat]

I'm down because this was a while, frankly. Do we still got it, Frank? Frankly, we still get a source off of Twitter.

[Memes]

This is what's problem with this generation of horses. The. The generation. What generation are we in now? Generation Alpha.

[Big Cat]

I think it's beta.

[Memes]

Beta. This is a beta horse. This is what happens. It's. It's a horse that's been coddled its entire life. Torn that told that it's special. It accomplishes one thing which in the grand scheme of thing. Guess what?

[Big Cat]

It's beta.

[Memes]

A horse wins the Kentucky Derby every year, man.

[Big Cat]

Sorry. He was born as an Alpha, so he's beta. Started in 2025.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

My kids just missed it. They're all alphas.

[Memes]

He's late Alpha. This horse is a late alpha.

[Big Cat]

He's one of the latest alphas.

[Memes]

And I think that is. It's disgusting what this generation is doing. There's no accountability. There's no thirst for greatness. There's no. There's no dedication to your craft. There's no hard work. These horses are just taking the easy way out. And I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. So this horse, Sovereignty, you're on my list. Yeah, I didn't even know I had a list until right now. But Sovereignty is the first name on my list.

[Big Cat]

Agreed.

[Memes]

And then my cool, he's fat too. He. I heard that.

[Big Cat]

Looking like Luke. He's eating too much hay.

[Memes]

I Heard he's on that Nyquist, that he's. He's put on a couple pounds.

[Big Cat]

Sovereignty is a. Let's just not. Let's stop beating around at this horse. Is a. Yeah.

[Memes]

And if it's not Sovereignty making the decision, if it's like a helicopter trainer, that's. That's binding everything for him. Like, let. Let your children make their own mistakes.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God. Enter just scored and then all the.

[Memes]

Shirts are coming off.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. Talking soccer. This game is bananas. B, A, N, A, n. Can we.

[Hank]

Get some bar or something?

[Memes]

This feels like it's a Pope thing. Like this is for Pope Francis.

[Hank]

My God.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If it's a trainer thing, shoot the trainer. Like a horse.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Not actually.

[Memes]

Or at least just like put a tarp up and then have him disappear and then we can all think that he's dead. But I. I think that this is. It's. It's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What are we teaching? I'm. I'm worried about the youngsters out there that are watching this horse that have like my.

[Big Cat]

My all aspiring horses out there.

[Memes]

My 4 year old son Chris came in the other day. He's like, dad, I want to be like Sovereignty when I grow up. And I told him, well, if you work hard and, you know, you eat your vegetables and you stay in school, get good grades, maybe one day you can.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then now his. His idol is going to teach him that you accomplish one thing and then you never do anything again for the rest of your life.

[Big Cat]

Because my 4 year old daughter came and said, I want to be Sovereignty when I grow up. And I said, hey, idiot, you're old Sovereignty.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that's also older than Sovereignty.

[Memes]

Chris is stupid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Your cool throne.

[Memes]

My cool throne is accountability. Accountability is also on the cool throne because the Ravens have moved on from Justin Tucker.

[Big Cat]

Was this because of the thing.

[Memes]

The draft. Yeah, because of the draft.

[Big Cat]

Was this a football decision?

[Memes]

This was a pure football decision. The Ravens announced yesterday that they were moving on from Justin, who is, I think, still the best. Is he the best kicker of all time?

[Big Cat]

I remember he was like going back and forth. He was switching back and forth. That's not a joke about Justin Tucker massage, but you could make that joke. He. I'll find it. You. You keep going. I'll find it.

[Memes]

Yeah. So this is what general manager Eric dacosta had to say. Sometimes football decisions are incredibly difficult. This is one of those instances. Considering our current roster, we have made the tough decision to release Justin Tucker. Justin created many Significant and unforgettable memories in Raven's history. His reliability, focus, drive, resilience, and extraordinary talent made him one of the league's best kickers for over a decade. We're grateful for Justin's many contributions while playing for the Ravens. We sincerely wish him and his family the very best in the next next chapter of their lives. So, yes, this was a, A football decision.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this. He is. He is technically field goal percentage. He is, yeah. Why, why are the Ravens pretending? I mean, I guess you can just do this. They can do whatever they want.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But it's also very weird because it's not a football decision.

[Memes]

It's also interesting that for maybe the first time ever, somebody is forcing a release on Justin Tucker and we don't know what.

[Big Cat]

We still don't know what happened. Right. Like, we don't have. Has he been charged? Has anything happened?

[Memes]

I think they've investigated it and there's a bunch of accusers. We should say that they're all accusations.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So we don't, we don't really know, but there's certainly a lot of them.

[Big Cat]

Do you think there's. I would imagine there is a like Magic 8 ball at every NFL headquarters and they, they hit it, they, you know, they shake it up and they say, oh, my God. Oh, all right, we gotta stop watching this game.

[Memes]

I was talking tennis.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Real quick. That was.

[Big Cat]

Hank is. Hank is.

[Memes]

Some groans.

[Big Cat]

They shake it up and then it just gives you an answer of like, how should we release Justin Tucker? He's been accused, used many times of sexual misconduct. And it just floats up. It says football decision.

[Memes]

Yeah. It was a football decision made for on the field reasons. It's the same thing as with desean. It's like either either he's a victim of one of the most coordinated vicious smear jobs of all time.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Correct.

[Memes]

Or he's a world class scumbag and there's really no in between.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

And I. It's. It feels unlikely that this would be a coordinated hit job from so many people.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, my hot seats. I have two. The first is Nebraska. Nebraska football. Because Michigan has put a self imposed two game penalty on their head coach, Ron Moore. It is the scandal that keeps on getting guys fired or suspended or self imposed suspensions. And usually you'd say, oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Shawn Moore out for the first two games. No, he's not. So they play Oklahoma week two.

[Memes]

Yeah. So you can't do that.

[Big Cat]

Michigan has suspended Sharon Moore for week three and four. Central Michigan and Nebraska. That's such a slap in their face.

[Memes]

Yeah. Because you can't jump it. Who they play week one.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Memes]

My guess is probably cupcake.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, probably.

[Memes]

So. Yeah, you can't split them up. It can't be like. It can't be like Grover Cleveland or Trump presidencies where you just like, like go back and forth.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So New Mexico.

[Memes]

Yeah, New Mexico. So you can't go New Mexico. Then he gets to coach Oklahoma then. And then he's out for central Michigan. You gave him back to back. So Nebraska. I mean, I would like to see an argument from Nebraska about this. If you have to choose either Oklahoma or Nebraska, you're choosing O. You're choosing Nebraska.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's tough. It's very tough. I sure on Moore did go to Oklahoma, so they were like, oh well, he wants to play his. I. I think it's more than that. They're doing central Michigan and Nebraska because they. Yeah, it's a pairing.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oklahoma and New Mexico or Central Michigan, Nebraska. That they're literally saying Nebraska is not as good as Oklahoma.

[Memes]

Which I think is. Is probably fair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Did you see that Michigan's president is leaving for Florida?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This. All, all this is just weird coincidence.

[Memes]

Is that for. For two weeks as well or is that like a full time.

[Big Cat]

No, I think that's full time.

[Memes]

Okay. So full time president, everyone is scrambled.

[Big Cat]

They did nothing.

[Memes]

So do you think that there's any chance that maybe the president of Michigan is leaving because some shit's about to hit the fan?

[Big Cat]

Maybe. Maybe. Or he just couldn't stomach missing the Nebraska game.

[Memes]

That's true. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Memes]

He's so vehemently against this decision that he had to resign.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. My other hot seat is Grand Theft Auto because I. They released another preview. I didn't realize that it's 2026 now. I also. This is my hand up. I'm not in gaming shape. I don't. I don't really game anymore. I miss it. I had no idea. They didn't release a new main title, grand theft auto since 2013. I had no idea.

[Memes]

I didn't know that.

[Big Cat]

That's great. I thought it was. Every couple years there's a new Grand Theft Auto. What the fuck are they doing? Figure it out.

[Hank]

They're creating the greatest game of all time.

[Big Cat]

But you can't have a gap of 13 years between the game.

[Hank]

I mean, people are excited, but I'm more so.

[Big Cat]

I'm not saying that this game won't rock because it probably will. And I'm excited they finally are doing it. Although they did push it from this summer to next summer. I'm saying, how the hell did we have 13 years in between?

[Memes]

Yes. Disgusting. I mean, we had a long time between GTA 1 and GTA 2. You remember that?

[Big Cat]

Memes.

[Memes]

GTA 1 was a completely different game.

[Jack]

That's. That's the meme, though. It's like, we got this before GTA 6 and GTA 6 is also becoming Embiid now.

[Hank]

Yeah. GTA 6 and Embiid.

[Big Cat]

Everything's embiid and everything's a meme.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So Memes. What. What's. Are you excited? How old were you when the first one. When the last one came out?

[Jack]

2013. I was a senior in high school.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so you remember that one? Yeah.

[Jack]

I mean, I still play it. I feel like.

[Big Cat]

Pft. We didn't have a big gap. It went 97, 99. 010 204, 08, 13, 26.

[Memes]

You know what it was? It was GTA.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Memes]

The difference between GTA 2 and GTA 3 was just night and day.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[Hank]

Were so hard.

[Memes]

That's when it became GTA was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Three. Yeah. That's where it really. One and two, like, Advice City was.

[Hank]

Couldn't get out of the. You couldn't get away from the cops.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. They should do one where it's just University of Georgia, Grand Theft Auto.

[Big Cat]

This is crazy that it took this long. I'm a.

[Hank]

People still play gta. That's the thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm upset. I might have to play this new game.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I'm definitely going to play Sick. I.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Memes]

It's interesting. Like, how do you keep updating a game where you can literally do whatever you want?

[Hank]

Well, I believe I'm not super locked into the GTA. Maybe memes can fill in, but I believe GTA 5 has a. A way where you can, like, build your own world and, like, create your own servers.

[Big Cat]

Where Minecraft kind of.

[Hank]

Yeah, it can kind of be like a. You can build your own world within gta, which is why it's still active.

[Jack]

And I'm pretty sure you could gamble on it too. Yeah, you go, like, the online casino. You go to the casino in the game, and you're gambling in real life at the casino.

[Memes]

Sounds safe.

[Big Cat]

Be there. And then my cool throne is I piss out one of the two kidney stones. So I'm feeling better.

[Memes]

Let's go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So we. We Talked to Jerry O'Connell about the bet gal and I was in a bad mood cause I didn't have any winners early on. But I also was in torture at the back gala because my stomach felt like it was going to explode. And being in a social setting with kidney stones is not exactly fun.

[Memes]

So you did not save this one. Correct.

[Big Cat]

I didn't. So I got, we got back at 2 in the morning. I took a piss. I knew it was coming. I was, I had the split piss.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Also shout out shefty for announcing good job. That's why you are an insider. I had to split piss on the plane and I was like, it's coming. Got home two in the morning after a long ass day, pissed. Incredible pain. See it floating around. And then I had this moment of should I fish this out of a toilet with piss in it or should I just go to sleep after a 20 hour day? And I chose sleep after a 20 hour day.

[Memes]

I think that's fair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

You guys tell me if what I did was, was wrong in any way, shape or form because I've had some bad pushback on this. When I pissed mine out, I was like, I gotta get it out. I gotta, I gotta save it. And then I gotta take it to the urologist so we can tell me what's wrong with it.

[Big Cat]

I did that for my last one. Yeah.

[Memes]

So I, I didn't have the strainer. I went into my toilet with a slotted spoon.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And I, I fished it out and then I washed the spoon and put it back in the spoon drawer. No hot water, soap. Washed it.

[Big Cat]

Very good.

[Memes]

Some people told me that that was disgusting. No, they're like, I'm gonna be serving guests over at my house with my piss spoon.

[Big Cat]

If that's disgusting, well then tell me. Like, put these two together. You can't use a piss spoon, but you can piss in the sink where the spoon ends up.

[Memes]

Yeah, good point. Point. Hypocrites.

[Big Cat]

Must make any sense.

[Memes]

Yeah. You should.

[Big Cat]

I. Peace.

[Memes]

Sterile. Yeah, you're fine. So I'm glad that you pissed it out.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It felt good. If like I just. My stomach hurts so bad all day. I pushed it too hard. I shouldn't have played golf. But I did have fun with the boys.

[Memes]

But we're both on the clock now again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, you are. I have another one, but that might have been the big one. I don't know.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's what they told. Like I've got multiple. So it's like any given moment.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But I, I do feel better, so that's good. And what Are you looking at us like that? That memes you got.

[Jack]

There's more.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack]

You guys just constantly.

[Big Cat]

I had a 2 millimeter and a. Or no, a 3 millimeter and a 4 millimeter. I think that was. I hope that was the 4 millimeter.

[Memes]

My body's like a quarry. I'm just. I'm just pissing out stones. I got. I got a whole stash inside me right now.

[Big Cat]

I like to think my body is more like a really nice, like in English countryside. One of those big driveways going up to the mansion. And it's lined with pebbles.

[Memes]

Yeah, cobblestone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, not cobblestone. I'm saying like the actual pebbles.

[Memes]

Okay, gotcha.

[Big Cat]

You know what I mean?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You see those? Like super, super rich. Like, Hampton's houses have them. The driveway is pebbles. That's my. That's my kidney.

[Memes]

You think one day if we just kept them inside our bodies, it would turn into diamonds?

[Big Cat]

We should try.

[Memes]

I think it might try.

[Big Cat]

Okay, good. Hot seat. Cool throne, everyone.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Barcelona and Inter are in extra time.

[Hank]

This is sudden death.

[Memes]

Nope, this is not. Do you mean the game?

[Hank]

Like if someone.

[Big Cat]

No, it's not. Golden goal.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

No, no. So we'll just keep updating when we do FAQs. And that was talking soccer again. All right. Before we get to our interview with Kirk Goldsberry. You see it right in front of us. We've got the new Mountain Dew cans and guess what? Bottles as well. And guess what? It is summertime. I love summer. I love the heat. I love golf. I love barbecue. I love baseball. I love just being in backyard. I got my. I got a new grill set up. Pft.

[Memes]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna grill tonight. You know what? I'm gonna do it with a Mountain Dew.

[Memes]

Mountain Dew. Nothing goes better. Yeah, I might. I got a pizza oven. I'm gonna try to figure out how to work outside. I feel like pizza and do is a winning combination too.

[Big Cat]

I love that. So nothing goes better with pizza oven outside, grilling outside and hanging with your friends in the refresh. Refreshing citrusy kick of Mountain Dew. We love Mountain Dew. We love these new Kansas nostalgia in a can. They brought back the old logo. So go check it out right now. Grab a do in the new packaging and enjoy the refreshing, refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew. I already had one today. Gonna have another one because I love Mountain Dew and it tastes delicious. So thank you to Mountain Dew. And again, go grab a Dew in the new packaging and enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew. Okay, here he is Kurt Goldsberry. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, our good friend. He has changed jobs though since we last had him on. He is now with the Ringer, NBA analyst at the Ringer. He's also a New York Times best selling author. He also has some new cool stuff at his store which we'll talk about later. It is Kirk Goldsberry here to talk playoffs. Kirk, always great having you on. I have a first question and I don't know if I just want to hear from your brain because you're a lot smarter about basketball than us. Nicole Jokic is the best basketball player in the world. We've run out of things to like, explain it. Can you explain it in your smart guy language of how and why he is the best basketball player in the world. And no disrespect to sga. Who will win the MVP this year? Most likely, Nikola Jokic is the best basketball player in the world.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

He's the most skilled player in the world. He does everything at a very high level. Except one thing, which we'll get to later, which is why Michael Malone got mad at me. Pft, you know the story. But one thing that I came across this year doing a best shooters of the year column at the ringer was that Nikola Jokic was the most efficient jump shooter in the league. Big cat. And that's not even his calling card. This dude is one of the best rebounders, one of the best passers, one of the best close range scorers, has the best floater in the league. But he's also an incredible jump shooter and that's not even a strength. So long story short, he's just the most skilled big man we've ever seen. His stats are insane across the board. And if you look at the box score from the game one victory against OKC, it looks like a Wilt Chamberlain 48 and 22. What are we doing? This is insane.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it is. It really is. And it does feel there's every now and then, you know, Steph was probably, you could put them in this category. Even LeBron where it's like, you see, you feel like you're watching something that you haven't seen before in basketball. And I feel like, yo, there have been big men who have been skilled in certain ways. They're obviously, you know, the dominance of Shaq or Kareem, but like the total package of yokage does feel like something we have never seen before.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah. At least our, our age. And there's some old heads who saw wilt score like 60 or average 50 and 50 or whatever. But we're not those dudes. Like, I was thinking about Shaq this morning because he's. He's the most dominant center of my life, right? Like this dude, dude single handedly won the 2001 NBA playoffs. Like it just, it destroyed everybody in his path. Yoko's just putting up way better stats than that guy. Again, with one exception, which is interior defense. And the. The way to beat the Nuggets is to attack him in the paint. Something the Thunder haven't been able to do yet. But they're the worst paint protection team left in the playoffs. I wrote an article about it a few years ago and former Nuggets coach Michael Balone took exception with my analysis. But that's exactly the one weakness this guy has. It's his Achilles heel, if you will. The dude can't protect the basket like some of the other great centers of all time.

[Memes]

It was a great story because he wrote that article. And then I think that was right when the Nuggets caught on fire and won the championship. Right? Like you, you deserve some credit for, for spurring on that team. So about the Nuggets, they moved on from Malone and I feel like Jokic is also part coaching the team too, so. So he might not play great interior defense, but he's a great offensive player. And he's also what seems to be a. A very good head coach too. At the same time, what's different about the Nuggets now as opposed to when Michael Malone. We call it the post Malone phase.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Post Malone, shout out, postie. The face tattoos, I would say. But no, I think the biggest thing PFT is the leadership of Jokic in those huddles. We've seen him being very animated, like you're saying, almost drawing up plays. But the players seem to be getting along. The morale seems really good. There's just the cohesiveness. It simply wasn't there. One of the reasons they moved on from Michael Malone and Calvin Booth is the vibes were toxic in that organization near the end. We don't have enough numbers to really say, oh, they're doing this, that or something else different at this point. It's been such a short amount of time and the playoffs started, but dude, they're just getting along well. And I think that image I have of Jokic at the sideline, like yelling at his teammates, like a, like a fiery gray Greg Popovich moment as a coach, that's new. That's what I've Noticed that's different.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And so we so obviously don't want to react to one game, but it was a shocking game. The Nuggets Thunder. It was an incredible game. I know that. The follow up three, we discussed it. I think you probably agree foul up three is fine. You don't foul up three 75ft from the basket with the best player off the court like that. Just felt like the Thunder completely screwed that up. But I had. I listed three things that I'd be concerned about for the Thunder and I want you to maybe tell me if I'm way off or if you maybe have a fix the Thunder could go with. The first was rebounding. They have this been their problem all year. They're not super big down low. Especially with Chet. Cause he's, you know, a stretch five. The second is. I don't know who their second scorer is going to be. And you kind of need that second score to. To step up in big moments. And the third is the. The fan who sits courtside's got to put the fucking T shirt on.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

I love that dude. Their second scorer is a great point. Big Cat. It can't be Alex Caruso like it was in game one, Right. They need either Chad or J Dub to show up and again attack the teeth of this Nuggets defense. Make them protect the rim. They don't want to do it. They're not good at it. So I think that's the key I'm watching for. They should be worried. I mean, this is a team that swept a weakened first round opponent last year in New Orleans and then played Dallas in the second round as the number one seed. Dallas was, I think, the five seed and they lost four to two. It's a really similar trajectory here with another sort of Balkan dude, like leading the opponent and showing them how to win games late like Luca did last year. They need. And I think it starts with sga. The other thing I'd say, which is sort of a first take take is like SGA's got to start playing like the MVP right now. Now. Because right now Jokic run one round one of the head to head MVP battle, which is also great. Like no shade. It. It takes about superstars. That was awesome. But SGA has to win a couple of these head to head battles, dude.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

So what about with the. The T Wolves? Anthony Edwards, it seems like he's. He's improved every single year. He's gotten better at passing too, which is good to see. I think he probably has some room to improve there still. But with the Timberwolves, are we. Has Rudy Gobert been unlocked offensively?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yes, I think so. Thanks in part to the Los Angeles Lakers bold strategy of not employing a center like in the NBA. It was, it was, it was worth a shot not having a center on your basketball team. But Rudy Gobert really exposed the, the weakness of that. And what's interesting to me is if there's one other team that's really small left in this playoffs, it's the Golden State warriors who start a very small front court obviously. And Rudy, I don't know if you guys know this. Rudy has a little bit of a history with Draymond Green.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And so I'm very much looking forward to these toils in the front court in this series. But size matters, guys. You know this better than anybody. Size matters. And I really think that's what this series is going to come down to. Not only in the front court where the, the, the, the, the Timberwolves have Rudy Gobert, but also, dude, all the looks they can throw at Stephen Curry with ant and Jade McDaniels and Alexander Walker, they're just bigger and longer and more athletic. So I think they have a good shot of advancing in the series.

[Big Cat]

All right. But, but question about that, because the Rockets beat the fuck out of Steph Curry. Like I think that was one of the hardest series he had to play in terms of the physicality. And Amen Thompson was, you know, obviously he gets hurt at the end of game seven, which clearly bothered him and the closeouts weren't the same. Do I feel like this is similar to Jokic going from the Clippers to the, the Thunder where it's like now he can do whatever he wants down low. Zubac isn't there. I feel like Steph Curry will have a little bit of easier time than he did against the Rockets because that was. They. They did a very good job of, of making sure that Steph didn't beat them every single night.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

I agree with that. I mean Houston is, is an insane defense just built for war. And IME Adoka is the toughest coach, most defensive minded coach in the, in the NDBA right now. That said, dude, Anthony Edwards isn't afraid of. He's a great defender. He's more athletic and youth is a big thing in this, at this stage of the season. And Steph is beat up. Like you look at the shape of it. The best shooting hand we've ever seen is deformed right now. These guys are beat up and that's such an underrated part of this. We're asking this older team to go in and play this younger team. After that, Warren Houston. And I just see a real opportunity for Minnesota to keep that momentum going using a similar formula of just pounding them inside, getting rebounds. Whether it's go bear or Nas Reed, Jaden McDaniels. Like, these guys are big, and I think they can give the warriors problems. And the other thing, I'd say big cat. Lastly, Houston couldn't score Minnesota this minute. Minnesota team is. Is going to. Is going to score on that end of the court, too.

[Big Cat]

That's a good point. Yeah, Houston was a tough watch. They're. They're. They're building something, but it was. It was a tough watch. Sometimes watching them play offense, yeah, they.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Need one more guy, but they, they have a great season. And I think, like, Golden State also deserves credit. Guys, that's a very good defense when they've been at their best in the postseason. For 10 years now, Draymond has been the middle linebacker, one of the best defenses in the postseason. And they deserve credit for making Houston look bad a lot of the time, too.

[Memes]

I want to flash back real quick. We got to do just a brief Luca and the Lakers post mortem. So in your statistical opinion, you're a math expert. Is Luca too fat?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Dude, he. He is honestly, like, he is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It is the truth. Truth.

[Memes]

He's gotten bigger.

[Big Cat]

He's not like, fat by our standards, but in terms of NBA basketball, he is too fat.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And I heard you guys calling out my good friend Zach Lowe also at the ringer the other day because he had, like, a really great observation. Big cat, I think it was you. He said he's laboring all the time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's constantly laboring.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

He looks like he's played one too many games of pickup on a Sunday afternoon, and he's still out there trying to make it work. And it's just. He's slow on defense, he's slow to the basketball, and then, yeah, he looks like he's overweight. I'm sorry. It's not. Not. It's not a nice thing to say about another person, but when you look at some of the other superstars in this league and how they take care of their bodies and how, how they work out and how they present themselves physically, like, Lucas sticks out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And it took yoke. You make fun of that Jokic piece. Jokic really had a body transformation itself that get him over the top. Yeah. So I, I think Luca needs to do that. I think he will do that. But when you asked me the question, he got torched on defense, dude. Jade McDaniels, Anthony Edwards were just driving on him. He was the slow guy at the pickup game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And they just torched.

[Big Cat]

You know what's funny is, like, I was thinking about it because, you know, he. Luka gets killed for his defense and his body, and there's other superstars that maybe aren't the best defensively. And you could put Jokic and Steph in that category where they both try very hard, but they're not elite defenders. Jokic and Steph, if you look at their bodies, they were. They transformed their bodies. And I know people like Jokic still looks. He's totally different than he was five years ago. Steph. Remember how much, like, Steph has put on so much muscle and. And just gotten so much stronger through the course of his career? Luca has to do that.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Steph is arguably the most conditioned player in the league, period. Like, if you watch him at the fourth quarter, one of the reasons he was so great in the Olympics or he's so great in the playoffs is he, at age 37, is still, like, the guy with the most juice at the end of the fourth quarter. That childhood picture of Nicole Jokic is legendary for a reason. I know you guys love that, but, yeah, like, it's a battle for a lot of us. Like, everybody has to deal with this in some facet of their life. And I think a lot of players have had a really good nutritional awakening in the middle of their 20s, and Luka Doncic has an opportunity to do just that. And like I said, I think he will. But I do also think it's fair to say it's limiting him, particularly on the defensive end of the court and at the end of games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

And he's in the place to do it. You're in la, you got juice shops everywhere. Like, it's. You're at the mecca of health food. You can. You can shed a few pounds, have.

[Big Cat]

Your shirt off a lot.

[Memes]

And then if JJ keeps playing, like, you know, the same guys for the second halves of every game, he's going to eventually get into shape. Right. Like, he's. Lugo was probably like, this is. This is not the five guys rotation I thought I was signing up for.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Oh, yeah. That was not the right kind of five guys. Lucas, when JJ said there were going five guys, he got confused and he got excited.

[Memes]

So is. Is he. Is he, like. Is he worse on defense than he was Last year because the Mavericks, I mean, yes, nobody forgets that the Mavericks made to the finals, but it's, you know, we talk about Luke in a much different way now than we did last year.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Well, the other thing, and, and when Nico Harrison was still alive, he had assembled like this great defense last season with PJ Washington, with Daniel Gafford, like, they were really good. And there was some deodorant on the floor with Luca defensively. And the Lakers had Austin reeves and aging LeBron Rui Hatchmora. They just, they didn't have guys to clean up the mess behind Luka when somebody would beat him on a drive. Dallas did a great job of building around a slower, weaker defender. And to be fair to the Lakers, pft, they haven't had time to do that organizationally. I've had a few people say, hey, that Mark Williams trade that they canceled at the deadline, they probably should have forced that through so they could have had that bigger guy. Regardless, they have to build a different team now with this, this Luka Doncic situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. All right, well, that's enough piling on Luca. But I, I think we get the.

[Big Cat]

Point better than Luca piling on us. That is true. It's suffocating. That would hurt.

[Memes]

Yeah. So looking to the east, Hank is not in the room right now, but I'll asked like he was, how panicked should the Celtics be?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Dude, I wish I was at the bed gala last night. What a, what a, what a moment that was.

[Big Cat]

We didn't release the movie, but it was a movie.

[Memes]

I mean, they should be panicked if they, if they just can't hit any more three point shots. But I don't think that that's going to carry over. But maybe you tell me, is there something that, that happened with the Knicks that like, this is something that we could see the Knicks pushing back a little bit on, make it a series.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

I mean, yeah, they had more fight. And then the thing that drove me crazy, so the Celtic, the stat from that game, PFT is what the Celtics broke the record for most missed threes in a playoff game. They missed 45 threes in a game that's almost one a minute. Like, that's ridiculous. And at some point, let's say when you missed 34 threes and it's the middle of the third or the end of the third quarter, you're like, maybe we should do something else. Well, they didn't. They didn't do anything else. And one of the things that Jalen Brunson has done a lot this Year is when in that Detroit series they needed a points to stop or Detroit run, like he would flop. He would go into the teeth of the defense, defense and make a play, draw a whistle. The Celtics didn't do anything like that during that Knicks run. They seemed really content to sit behind the three point line. I think the last play of overtime where Mikhail Bridges like ripped the ball away from Jalen Brown was like a poetic ending to that game. Like they refused to attack the basketball hoop. Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown are too good to be that passive. When the threes aren't going in, I don't expect that to continue. But when the Celtics team isn't making their threes, they do have a tendency to sort of just say, oh, that's all we have now. The other thing is Porzingis wasn't out there. He's a big weapon. They could have posted up. They didn't have that. So I don't expect this to continue. But the Knicks are not going to go away. And if you give them a chance and let them stay in the game, they're also a much better clutch team than the Celtics, in my opinion right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Do you blame yourself a little bit for that Celtics loss? It's like they were playing Goldsberry ball.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I mean it's. I've played both sides of that line. I think Joe Mazzulla loves math. I know he loves the town. I know he loves, pardon my take. I wish he loved two point scoring a little bit more. When they have a nice slump going like 15 of 60, that's. That's your game. You're not going to win if you miss 45 threes.

[Big Cat]

Quick break from Kirk Goldsberry to talk to you about. Look at these. The new Mountain Dew cans. Pft.

[Memes]

It's vintage. I like the sun design on here.

[Big Cat]

This be a sick tattoo. I see this, I see this logo and I just feel refreshed.

[Memes]

I see this logo, I get thirsty.

[Big Cat]

Hank, what's your favorite thing to do in the summer?

[Hank]

Favorite thing to do in the summer is go to the beach.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

And golf. And golf and drink Mountain Dew.

[Big Cat]

Nothing goes better with golfing with your boys and hanging with your friends in the refreshing citrusy kick of Mountain Dew. We love Mountain Dew. We love. One of our favorite sponsors, when they came on were like, yes, we love Mountain Dew. And then they threw back, back throwbacks to the nostalgia of our youth with these cans. They're so awesome.

[Memes]

You know what? This would hit real good driving around at the El Camino. In the same time goes down do in hand.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they really did crush it like with the, when you, when you walk down a grocery store aisle, it's like, that's what I want. I want this. I want the citrusy delicious kick of Mountain Dew. Nothing goes better with golfing, with hanging with your friends than the refreshing citrusy kick of Mountain Dew. So grab a Dew in the new packaging and enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew today. We love Mountain Dew. Thank you to Mountain Dew. We appreciate you, Mountain Dew. All right, back to Kurt Goldsberry.

[Memes]

Yeah, you, you also mentioned Pop and Pop's been in the news. He's taking a front office role. El Jefe is what he's calling himself.

[Hank]

El Jefe.

[Memes]

I like that name. It's a great name. And he had. I like the press conference too. We just turned around, he's rocking the shirt says El Jefe. And man who's all excited to be the, the special assistant to El Jefe. So you worked with Pop for a while. I don't know what your guys relationship was, but we talked a little bit about Pop on, on Monday's part of my take. You got any good Pop stories?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I got, I got two. I'll do a basketball one first that involves J. James Harden. The 2017 playoffs. We were playing the second round against the Rockets. They, they, they were incredible. Like peaked Antoni Rockets with Harden. And one thing I had really sort of done in the scouting report was dive into their three point shooting fouls. And I told Pop in this memo, I was like, they've drawn 183 point shooting fouls this season. Harden and Lou Williams at the time or something. And I said, you know, they're scoring 11 points a game in the first round against the Thunder on these three point shooting fouls. You know, you get the guy in the air, you jump into him or you, you do the rip through. And I was like, we can't give them those. That was my one analytics. Like let's not let that happen happen. And right before game one of that series, he, he pulls me over and he had like a glit, a glint in his eye and he's like, Kirk, that's, that's way too many. That's way too many three point shooting fouls. And he kind of winked at me and it's like, okay. And I had no idea what the game plan was. And then we come out and that's when we were playing pick and roll defense. Our guys had our hands in the air. Do you Remember this?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

We were playing defense with our hands up because Pop had said, hey, we're not going to get caught in that whole series. Early in game one, Patty Mills got caught with a three point shooting foul that he shouldn't have been called for. And that was the only three point shooting foul the Rockets got that whole season or that whole series. We won in six games. That's the game six where Harden famously didn't show up in Houston. We didn't have Kawhi, but that was a really great moment of watching how Pop looked at a station that. And then devised the defense that nobody had really seen, right. Like, before or since. Like, watching guys, like, play defense like this. It was a remarkable thing, and I love that. I loved seeing how he was able to implement that and win a series with that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, very cool. And that's also, like, a credit to him. I would assume that working with him, he was like, the best. Coaches are open to ideas, and they're open to, you know, someone on the staff being like, hey, just look at this. And they don't say, oh, well, I know basketball better than anyone here. Because he could do that. He could say he knows basketball better than anyone, but instead being like, oh, yeah, actually, this is a. This is something that we have to, you know, game plan for and be smart about.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I've had another quick one. So Pop is also more than basketball. And in one of our New York road trips he took us, he came into the team bus, was like, who wants to go to a play tomorrow? And nobody raised their hand. And I raised my hand. I was like, I'll go to a play. And so we go to this play, just me and him, and it's. It's Kate Blanchette and. And Pft will know this. It's Anton Chekov's the Present to check off the Russian playwright. And in the first act, like, I don't know anything about Chekhov, right? Except for one thing. And the. The play is called the Present. In the. In. In. In the middle of the first act, the Cate Blanchet character opens a present that's a pistol. And I'm like, wait a second. I've. I've listened to enough prestige TV podcasts to know. And I was like, pop, we had intermission. I was like, dude, I think this is Chekhov's gun. I think this is where this came from. I think we're gonna. I don't want to spoil anything for you, Pop, but I think we're gonna see this gun again in the third act. And sure enough, it happened. And he had never heard of Chekhov's gun. So I remember. But that's a great example. Pop. Love Russian. He loves plays. He always, he's just a culture guy and he always wants people in basketball, which is very rare in the NBA. Very few NBA teams do stuff like that. And he was always really intentional about taking us out to museums or having great speakers come in or having. Taking us to theater or having musicians come through. And that was just a really cool thing for him to do. He didn't have to do any of that.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's very cool. My NBA equivalent of Chekhov's gun is when Draymond hits two consecutive threes to start a game and he's feeling himself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Even Russ.

[Memes]

Yeah. With Andre, it's more like if he hits two threes right off the start, he's going to get attack at some point in that game as he's feeling.

[Big Cat]

So West.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Westbrook's gun.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Westbrook gets two and you're going to. You're going to see six more. Yeah, yeah. Also, we, we were just saying it. Russell Westbrook has been awesome for the Nuggets these, this postseason. Like, they don't. Some of these games, they do not win without him. And I know that we joke about him because he is funny to watch. And he does have moments where he just becomes like, hey, I got this. Yeah, but he's been playing great team basketball. And even we were, we were breaking down that, that past Aaron Gordon. Like, there's a world where Russell Westbrook says, we're down one. It's two on. I'm one on two. I'm going to go to the rack and be Russell Westbrook. And he made the smart basketball decision.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Dude, I don't know is memes if memes had. Have you guys seen the. The clip of the. The studio crew from Denver watching that last play as it happened live.

[Big Cat]

Live.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Oh, you got to clip this and show this. You know, Christian Brown gets that rebound. He's racing up the right side and, and he, he makes the right play, finds Westbrook right at the mid court line. Right. And the, the Denver or these guys watching that from the desk in the studio show are like, no, no, no, no.

[Memes]

As soon as Westbrook.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

That's the ball and they're watching it in real time. And then to your point, Big Cat Westbrook doesn't do what we've seen him do a hundred times. He makes the beautiful pass. And this guy is one of the great passers of his generation finds Aaron Gordon on the exact opposite side of the court. The defense is turned around, gives Aaron enough time to knock down one of the biggest shots of the Nuggets postseason. Maybe not even the biggest one, but just a remarkable play. But I thought it captured that exact transformation of Westbrook when he plays within the guardrails. Guys, he is a phenomenal bench player, but there, there is a roller coaster you sign up for when you have him on your team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's.

[Memes]

It's very fun to, to watch him from afar. We should do a Mount Rushmore, by the way, this summer of the Mount Rushmore of guys that you love to watch but hate having on your team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's. Or. Or just the. No, no, no. Yes, guys.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Where it's just whenever something happens, you're just like, no, no, no, no. Oh, yes. That's awesome.

[Memes]

One thing that we're really good at, Kirk, is after the first game of a series, we just say that what happened that first game is going to keep happening. So like, you know, we've been talking about how great the Nuggets are and they do deserve a lot of credit for fighting back. But can we just pretend. Let's just pretend that Aaron Gordon's three didn't go in and the Thunder won in that.

[Big Cat]

Or if they just played defense and didn't foul.

[Memes]

Yeah, either way. So regardless of how they ended up winning by like, let's say two points, what would we be saying about the Thunder and would we be saying like the Nuggets are going to have to make some adjustments if they want to stop them?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

You know, I would still been a red flag with that game. The, the rebounding differential. Detroit coming in on fumes after a seven game series. Still coming in there. These young team just waiting around the fact that in your, in your hypothetical pft, there still been a very close game. I think I would have been surprised by that. They wouldn't have covered the spread. They would have. They had a shot to win. So I think it would have still looked bad. And again, they did not take it to the page. Right. Shay needs to attack more. This dude was put on earth to drive the basketball and not settle for pull ups. And I think he needs to be more aggressive and really attack the weakness of this Denver team. So I'm with you. It's a make or miss league. That shot could have gone either way and narratives would have changed. But Denver played pretty well last night, especially when you consider they were playing less than 48 hours before in a game seven in a different state.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I had as a scheduled loss for the Nuggets and I was way wrong because I was just. I mean they. And that also is like the Thunder as a young team. I was, I was actually weirdly more shocked by the Celtics not being able to put away the Knicks because like a young team, this will happen where it's like, hey, you're up 10 all game. Like the kill shot has to come because you just can't let teams hang around, especially like the Nuggets. And when the kill shot doesn't come, you, that's. This is what you. You roll the dice of. Like we could have a couple things go wrong in the last minute and it's here we are down 01. Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And these are champions. The Denver Nuggets are champions. And like playing that fouling up three game. And I know you guys already talked about it, but one thing I haven't heard is like, you got to make your free throws. You got to trust your young guys in these big moments. If you're going to play that game, Chad Holmgren, you better. You better have a lot of faith in Chet Holmgren to make those two.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Two.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

At least one of two. And he missed both of them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

So, you know, I think the coach. I keep zeroing in on the coach. He doesn't have enough playoff experience. Dagnall. I think he has some regrets about how he played out the end of that chess game last night. And they need to be better up and down the roster. But also on that coaching staff.

[Big Cat]

All right. Other series we got to talk about. I know we're. So we're taping this Tuesday afternoon around 3:00. So we don't know what happens. Game two, Cavs, Pacers. Though I've been a big fan of the Pacers these playoffs. Cause I just think they're very fun to watch. They have five guys. They've. I mean, they have more than five guys, but they have. Everyone scores. They. I feel like they get open shots. Halberton drives, creates so many, so much space for everyone. Is there a chance the Pacers can win this series against Cavs? And what is the fix that the Cavs have to do? Because it felt like the Pacers sped him up even more in game one. And that made the Cavs pretty uncomfortable.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

I thought when people thought this was going to be an easy series for the Cavs, they were out of their mind. Indiana made the semifinals last year, you know, conference finals. And they're better this year. And Tyrese Halliburton is better. And I think big cat Cleveland is the team that is banged up right now. Darius Garland is her. Evan Mobley is her. Deandre Hunter dislocated his thumb like, this is not a good time. And I have a nominee for the 2025 takeies if you guys will accept external nomination. The three days after the playoff started, the Athletic released their annual player poll. And in this player poll, 90 anonymous NBA players were asked who is the most overrated player in the NBA right now. And they said Tyrese Halliburton. And that take is aging very poorly. Very poorly. They are 5 and 1 in the playoffs. He isolated Giannis Antetokounmpo multiple times in the deciding moments of that series and took him to the rack. He leads the playoffs and assists at 12. Just two turnovers. His passes. When they find shooters, suddenly everybody turns into Klay Thompson because he's creating, getting incredible looks for guys like Andrew Nemhard, Niecemith Siakam, Miles Turner. He is just the best. He's like a Steve Nash level orchestrator right now. And like Steve Nash, the defense isn't great hand up. But this dude isn't the most overrated player in the NBA. That is a terrible take. And in fact, that might go so far as to say he might be the most underrated player in these NBA playoffs.

[Big Cat]

I think he's just. I think he's a little goofy and that's what. And like people, it's. It's a weird thing, but like guys that smile too much, guys that maybe talk a little shit but in a goofy way, people just don't like that. And you know, his, his shooting numbers aren't like, like out of this world, but he. What he does passing the basketball is insane. And it's just. He's fun to watch. He can go by. I feel like he can go by anyone.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

He's 25 and he's three wins away from bringing his team is clearly the best player on the team to the conference finals two years in a row. Yeah, that's. That's not normal. Like when Jason Tatum was doing that, we're like, oh my God, this guy's incredible. And he is. He was. But if they win this series, and like I said, I think it's about a coin toss right now. In part because of the injuries in Cleveland, in part because of those injuries. And if they win this, look, Tyrese Halliburton deserves some flowers. He deserves some of those media cycles where we're like, he's 20. Like the Luka Doncic stuff. Like when Luca was like, oh, Tyrese is. Is having this offense play very well. And I think Cleveland should be a little bit worried if any of the teams that lost game one should be pretty worried. I think it's Cleveland.

[Memes]

And if they win the series, they should let his dad back. Banning him for the entire postseason. That's. That's too much like a two game band. I get it. Maybe all the home games this round. I get that. But are you telling me if you get to the NBA finals, you're not going to let his dad back in the arena?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Could they, like, put him in a straight jacket or something? Yeah. Time to a chair.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then also I. The one knock I'll have against Tyrese Oliver is that he didn't have his dad's back enough. I know that you had to say, like, yeah, okay, dad, you shouldn't do that, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I. I would have liked to see the guy stand up for his dad a little bit.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

My pops was wrong. He said that?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

You know, in all seriousness, I think he handled that about as well as possible. That's a pretty awkward situation.

[Big Cat]

Very awkward.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah. Like, also, his dad was wildly inappropriate. Your son just want. It reminded me when Angel Reese did this, and I don't want to get political. Pft. When Angel Reese won the national title and her first instinct is to talk trash to Caleb. Like, go hug your teammates, dude.

[Big Cat]

Right. You're making the story about something else.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Like, your son just won.

[Big Cat]

Stole the story of the first round, their win by. By. By going on the court and being crazy.

[Memes]

I agree entirely. I think it was, like, way, way out of line. It would just. Would have been cool to see Tyrese be like, yeah, that's my dad, though. You know, I can't say anything bad about my dad.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that. You're a real patriarchy guy. I see that.

[Memes]

I am. I'm. George Bush invaded Iraq because of his dad.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Memes]

He loved Halliburton.

[Big Cat]

That's facts.

[Memes]

That's. Look it up. That's all facts.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

So next up on Pardon my Freud, I think you're.

[Memes]

I think. Think you're. What? You have a perfect record in terms of picking NBA champions on this show. Right?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I don't like to do victory laps like shrer. You know, I think he's. He's done this. But, yeah, I. I picked the. The NBA finals correctly for as long as I can remember. PFD on your show.

[Memes]

Okay, so who do you have right now?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

I'm sticking with the Boston Celtics. Bing bong hanky. I still support the Celtics, and, you know, I'm sticking with. With the Thunder. And I'm a little bit nervous today. It was a safe pick all year. And you know what? I'm happy to be nervous. Pft. I'm happy to be nervous because it was like, I didn't want both of these teams to just plow through the bracket and end up there. And now there's some. There's some adversity for both of these teams for game two. But, dude, these teams both deserve credit. Boston is just. Just the most dominant team when they're healthy, and they are healthy right now. Drew's back, and then OKC. I mean, they won 68 games. What can you say? Like, it's a juggernaut. Best defense we've seen in a while.

[Hank]

All right, so love the hat, by the way. Kirk looks. Looks great.

[Big Cat]

Hank just chimed in. He said he loves that. All right, so off of that, I got. I got one last question. The Roback question, Actually, we got to talk about your. At your atlas balls, too. Rollback question. R, H, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. You should go right now and buy. Perfect for Father's day or Mother's Day. Thegoldenhexagon.com you made an atlas basketball, which is pretty damn sick. So what is on this?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

It's a spherical map of the world, and this is the first edition. I sent one to PFT for his birthday.

[Big Cat]

Thanks for sending it for mine, too, too.

[Memes]

Our birthdays are pretty far apart.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

But this is the first edition. And the breaking news that I'm happy to announce. This is the Atlas Ball. The. The Kyrie ball is coming now. So I have made one as a tribute to Kyrie Irving at Globe Basketball. Yeah, for a sort of a get well soon sentiment to one of the great point guards. But, you know, Kyrie is a big fan of spherical geography, and so am I. And what better way to celebrate that. That as a basketball lover than a decoration for your office? Big cat. That is actually a basketball and a globe at the same time. You can have the whole wide world in your hands.

[Big Cat]

I love it.

[Memes]

It is really cool. I've got it in my. In my office at home. It's also a good Father's Day present if you're looking to get some for dad. I Feel like that's a. That's.

[Big Cat]

Or birthday present.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If you were looking to get it for someone's birthday or a Mother's Day present. Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's true. You brought up Wilt earlier today. Do you think that wilt actually scored 100 points in a game?

[Jerry O'Connell]

Game.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Wait, 10,000 or 100? Which record is most untouchable?

[Memes]

The. The 100, I'd say the 100. Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I. I do. I do. I think there would have been a lot of truthers coming out of the woodwork if he hadn't. Guys who were playing in the game, for instance, his opponents. Like, I was talking to Chris Bosch and Matt Bonner a few weeks ago about when Kobe scored 81. That's, like, a great story for them to tell because they were on the Raptors, and, you know, it's kind of a cool story. It's humiliating at the time, but. But I think those guys would have been like, yo, this was all. This wasn't true. I don't think there was a bunch of. Of fake news on that one.

[Memes]

Yeah, I. I feel like that's one of those stories that it's. It's fun to pretend that it's not true, but it's probably, like, very true.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'd agree. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Did Kobe score 81, though? PFD. What do you think about that?

[Memes]

I don't know. It was in. It was in standard definition.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So it could have been. Could have been the clone. Could have been somebody else. Was it. What year was it?

[Big Cat]

2011?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

12.

[Memes]

My TV was standard.

[Big Cat]

All right, so my last question. So, Celtics, Thunder is your Finals? Tell me what would have to happen for all the other teams? Like, you could just be one line. Could be as easy as, like, hey, Jokic is just Jokic. But what would have to happen if we're sitting here two months from now and we've just crowned one of the other six teams that are not the Thunder or Celtics as champions?

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I think the. The. It would have to start in the west with. With what you brought up earlier, somebody not stepping up for the Thunder, like J Dub or Chet, like. And Chet looked like he shrank in the moment. I'm not going to hold against one game. But that. That did not look good with those free throws in that moment. So if they continue to get, like, sort of big misses from their supporting cast, like, I could totally see the west, which is so brutal and so unforgiving. You can't have a lot of flaws on your roster and win The Western Conference in this league. League. So I think, you know, OKC's supporting cast needs to fail them. And. And I'll leave that on the table. I don't think that will happen. But then in the east, we saw it a little bit there too. Like, the Celtics need to break down with the three point shot. They need to not have the diversity in offense and find solutions. Ultimately, I think Boston has a much easier path to the finals than okc. If I had to pick one of these teams to not get there would be OKC at this point.

[Big Cat]

And who would you. Who would be next up in the west if it wasn't okc? And Tim Rolls are. I know all those teams look good.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah. I think Denver and Minnesota, who have history, are both looking good. Obviously, Golden State has won the Western conference, I think six of the last 10 times. Like, there's just some big, big players on that side of the bracket. But I just. For the sake of the take, I'm going to take. Take Jokic. I mean, dude, yeah, he had one of the best seasons we've ever seen. He was incredible down the stretch last night in a game that'll always be remembered for Aaron Gordon's incredible shot. Jokic scored 18 points in the fourth quarter and was the best player on both ends of the court getting every rebound. And if he keeps that up, dude, you could see that. This league has seen big men run through the playoffs for decades. So I could see a path where he sort of throws back to the future and it's just a dominant big man dragging his team through the playoffs.

[Memes]

Would love that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that would be very fun.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Who do you think? A big cat? I know you're a big hoops guy. You haven't had any. Where's your bed at right now?

[Big Cat]

I do agree that the Celtics are going to be in the finals from the east because I just think they're better. I listen, I've been talking up the Pacers. They're dangerous, but yeah, I think the Celtics will be there. And then, man, I keep going back. All right, tell me this. Is it crazy? It feels like I really like the Timberwolves, is my short answer. My concern is it does feel like whenever the warriors and Rudy Gobert go up against each other, Steph Curry's found a way to play him off the court in a way where it's like you get a lot of switches and he can't guard Steph in space. Is that a real concern for the Timberwolves? Like, what? Or is it because the warriors don't have as many guys now. Now, it's not as much of a concern that the Timberwolves can counteract that a little bit.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, I think that's a great, great question. I think Chris Finch has found ways to keep Rudy in games and get away with drop coverage in places that some of the other teams haven't that Rudy's been on. But, yeah, I think it's also fair to say, like you said, this is not the 2022 warriors or the 2017 Warriors. This is not Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

And Steph Curry in their primes, like Pajemski, Buddy Heald, Gary Payton. This is not exactly the 27 Yankees of jump shooting like we saw from this other previous warriors era. So I, I have the Timberwolf winning this series simply because, like, the offensive depth isn't. Isn't a good enough to outscore the Timberwolves, But I also don't think they'll be able to play Gobert off the court like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. All right, so, yeah, I guess my pick would then be the Timberwolves.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Yeah, and. And it would be really cool. Like, we. Last time I was on here, talking about how American superstars are washed and we need to put tariffs on international basketball players. And I think Anthony Edwards could make America great again as a, as a basketball player.

[Big Cat]

Yes, he could. He absolutely could. All right, Kirk, you're the best man. We appreciate you, as always. And everyone, go buy a Father's Day gift or Mother's Day gift@the goldenhexagon.com podcasters gift.

[Memes]

Yeah, it is. It is a very cool globe.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Hank Barcelona still says Gulf of Mexico, so the updated version will. Will have to change that. But I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me on.

[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, let's finish up the show. Jerry, he just called me.

[Memes]

You were calling me.

[Big Cat]

Everything okay? Yeah. Hank's ear popped.

[Jerry O'Connell]

You're kidding me.

[Big Cat]

So it wasn't your yelling? What?

[Jerry O'Connell]

You know, I gotta tell you, I felt such.

[Big Cat]

I felt bad, actually.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah, he's. Hank was playing the victim.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I. I hung up the phone and I'm sorry to use rude words, but I was like, what a. Like I never screamed in his ear.

[Big Cat]

And then I was like, oh, God.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Maybe I did, like hurt his ear. Maybe he's got delicate ears. It popped. I knew it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's sitting right here.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I'm sorry, Hank. Like for you to blame me because you don't use a ear cone or put a Q tip in there once.

[Big Cat]

Facts, facts. All right, that was it. Jerry, I just want to let you know you're off the hook.

[Memes]

Jerry, I had a Question for you. I know that Max wouldn't apologize to you for. For flipping out about the White House thing. Do you think that Hank owes you an apology?

[Big Cat]

Does Hanko you apology now? Nobody owes me an apology.

[Jerry O'Connell]

I. I love how Max from Hawaii is trying to jump in on this thing, and it's like, dude, no, stop.

[Big Cat]

We'll. Yeah. Go on your vacation. Yeah. Get out of. Get out of our business. Yeah, exactly.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Last night on X, he was like.

[Big Cat]

He was like.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Like, hitting me with notifications, and I was like, dude, dude, you gotta jump into the fire. Like, get out of here, dude.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, go to a. Go to a luau or something, man. Yeah. All right, Jerry. Thanks for all you do.

[Jerry O'Connell]

One more thing, Little scary. Hitting send on those tweets to the old boss.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, hey, you hit it. You hit it with the. Thanks, y'all, for all that you do. Really kind of. You can't get mad about that. That little scary. Really? I don't know what's.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Mr. Bing Bong brings something out. Me, I don't even know.

[Big Cat]

I just.

[Jerry O'Connell]

Just walk him with a confidence. I was just in the supermarket and just walk through there with, like, confidence, you know? Mr. Bing Bong.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, I love it. All right.

[Memes]

That's great.

[Big Cat]

All right, Jerry, we'll talk to you later. I'm glad your hearing's back, bro.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Thanks.

[Hank]

You did yell in my ear, but that's. All right.

[Big Cat]

All right. All right. See you, Jerry. All right, bye. All right. FAQs. So you want to apologize?

[Hank]

No.

[Memes]

You know what, though?

[Hank]

He admitted he yelled in my ear. I'd consider it, but if he's gonna.

[Memes]

Lie, I'm not Loki. Kind of credit to Hank for. For admitting that his hearing's back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And that it was. It was just the. The plane that set it up because Hank probably.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God.

[Hank]

They scored.

[Memes]

Enter just scored. Now they're gonna park the bus. But, yeah. Credit tank. Because he could have. He could have just played this along and said, yeah, my hearing's still gone. And then that way, he doesn't have to listen to anything that we tell him, but instead, he raised his hand and said, hey, you know what? I'm okay now, so thank you for that, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Hank is in a bad spot right now. How do you not win this game when you're up. When did. When did inner score their last goal?

[Hank]

Two minutes left. Overtime or whatever.

[Memes]

Whatever.

[Big Cat]

The extra time.

[Memes]

Added time.

[Big Cat]

All right?

[Hank]

You just live and die with the team all year.

[Memes]

For them to do this soft Sorry, tortured fan base. Barcelona, prayers up.

[Hank]

Hey, Big Cat. Patrick, Max Memes and the guy reading this.

[Memes]

Hank, can you start over with a little bit more. More zest?

[Hank]

No. A lot of athletes have pregame routines or meals before performing on the big stage. With you guys running the best national sports podcast, I was wondering if there are any pre podcast routines or snacks you have before airing the podcast. Today is the day. Memes, that lottery ball is yours. Memes did. With the lottery ball? Kind of.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, the Islanders. He didn't do it. The Islanders did. The team he roots for did.

[Memes]

Do they use balls for that?

[Big Cat]

It was a whole. Yeah. What was the question again?

[Hank]

Routines or snacks?

[Memes]

Yeah, I mean, we. On Sundays, I would say we probably do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Food. Meme sends the food question mark text around 5:00. That's kind of like the. It's like the old. Like it's the bell for everyone to go to the town square. All right, get, get, get to the office. Meme sent the food question mark text.

[Memes]

The podcast is nigh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're. We're on the precipice of podcasting.

[Memes]

I like to have Big Cat slap my face like John Henderson in the locker room before a game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Really get the blood going.

[Big Cat]

Usually we just kind of figure out what kind of mood Hank's in before, so we can.

[Memes]

I mean, the real answer is me and Big Cat like to pick somebody to gang up on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's usually Hank because he's sitting right here.

[Memes]

Yeah. Just get riffing on somebody. Just really lay into them.

[Big Cat]

Just. It's almost like we. We're doing the tennis, you know, volleying back and forth, warming up. We're just doing that on someone's face.

[Memes]

Yeah, Right on his face. Sorry, Hank. I know this is a big bet.

[Hank]

Are there. It's more just part, you know.

[Big Cat]

Barcelona. Yeah, Barcelona. How could you. Barcelona.

[Hank]

Are there any questions you really want to ask a certain guest that you haven't gotten the chance to ask yet?

[Memes]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Hank]

Now they're just flopping.

[Memes]

Like any recurring guests that we've had on that we didn't ask the big question to.

[Big Cat]

What memes? You got one? No.

[Jack]

You guys have to have some regret.

[Big Cat]

No, I know. I'm just trying to think it on.

[Memes]

The fly, like a specific guess that we've had that we've really been like, oh, we blew it by not asking this person.

[Big Cat]

Probably should have asked Carl Malone what happened with all that stuff.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

[Big Cat]

That one probably that was a basketball decision. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think, though. Is there one where I've walked away been like, damn, I wish I'd asked that. Like, damn, we missed that question.

[Memes]

I don't know, man.

[Big Cat]

Can you guys think of one? Hank, Memes.

[Memes]

Memes. Probably would be able to think of one before us, but usually it's probably like, man, they blew it.

[Big Cat]

Dance around almost. I mean, there's obvious, like, someone has something that, you know, like a crime they committed when they were a kid or something. Like, we're not going to bring it up and embarrass them. You know what I mean? Like, there's not. Like that. That.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah. Like if, like, there was some kid that was outside and they got into a fight with them, and then there's a whole hate crime section of the Wikipedia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody like that.

[Big Cat]

Wait, who is that again?

[Memes]

It's not you. Oh, wait. Oh, it's not you. It's not you. It's not you. It's not you.

[Big Cat]

Who is that? Yeah, okay, so there's some. Hey, listen, we're not journalists. I'll. I'll be the first to admit there are definitely times we've done interviews where people like, how did you not ask that? How did you not ask that? Dude, we're trying to. We're trying to fucking just have a good time. Sorry. If you want journalism, go listen to the Daily Hand up.

[Memes]

We didn't ask Fauci about the Wuhan lab.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we should have. We should have snuffed that one out.

[Memes]

Yep, that's. That's on us. Bad instincts.

[Big Cat]

Big mistake. Big mistake. All right, Hank, it's dead. They're gonna park the bus. It means they're going to put every player in front of the goal, and there's no chance they're going to score.

[Hank]

Why didn't we do that?

[Memes]

Well, because we weren't winning.

[Hank]

We were winning.

[Memes]

Yeah, good point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're winning.

[Hank]

Last one.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Hank]

Can we find out a little more about how Max meme, Shane and Pug got involved with the podcast and how big cat and PFT's first interactions with them were?

[Big Cat]

Hmm.

[Memes]

Hmm. Okay, so with Max, Max came on after Bubba Post.

[Big Cat]

Bubba. He worked in the office for what, a year or two?

[Hank]

Yeah, four years. I worked. I mean, I was technically his boss. He worked on stool streams and other stuff with me.

[Big Cat]

I did know that Max was the two things I knew about Max before he. Cause, like, I don't think we really interacted much was that Philly and he had a rivalry with Hank. Like, swear to God, I knew that Hank and him, like, didn't. And they had a playful thing with each other.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like, I was technically his boss, but obviously this was. I think it was like, even the confetti when the Sixers confetti thing happened. And, like, I would go up to his desk and basically do what we do on the show, and he would still, after, you know, some prodding, would just eventually stand up, start screaming at me, and, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

I would do a show once a week with him with the hard factor, guys. And the only thing I really picked up about Max was he really likes to touch his testicles a lot when he's nervous. And I was like, what's up with it? Why is he always grabbing at his balls? Because it was, like, every week. And I'm. I'm glad to see that he hasn't stopped with that. I. I also love the fact that he's not here to defend himself, but he would probably admit to that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he absolutely admits that. Memes tweeted us so many times that we had to hire him because we were like, this guy might kill us.

[Hank]

No, the PMT memes account was great. I just remember DMing him, ask him where he lived, and then just praying, I think. I don't even know if it's legal to ask. I was like, how old are you?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I was like, if you told me.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

Wow.

[Hank]

If you don't, weird DM problem.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No. Memes.

[Memes]

Is that. Is that what you led with?

[Hank]

No, I was like, where do you live? He's like, long Island. And then I was like, how old are you? I think, do you want an internship?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Memes is a good test case of, like, a lot of people obviously would love to work at Barstool and be involved in this. And we'll be like, oh, I want to work here. Like, here's my resume. Or, oh, I want to work here. Watch me tweet, like, a few things, like, every couple weeks. Memes was just committed to the game. You could see his work ethic thick from day one. Shane and Pug. I think a stork dropped him off. I don't. I don't fucking remember Shane's AI. Shane just. Shane just was here one day. Love him. You see? See my Pope bobblehead? See my P.O. bobblehead, Shane. It's sick. Wait. Oh, that's a great bobblehead. That's a great bobblehead. Yeah. I Don't. I, I don't remember.

[Hank]

Like they're just like traditional.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they were traditional hires. So it was just like one day they were here. It's like, oh, cool. Nice. And that was, that was it.

[Jack]

Do you remember your first interaction with everybody?

[Memes]

With Shane? I think I. No, I think I heard a rumor that he had never had McDonald's before. And so I asked him about that. I was like, what was it like having your, your first McDonald's must have blown your mind. Like your first tomato. I think you're just sitting in the.

[Big Cat]

Studio and I introduced myself to you. Yeah, I. I don't remember. Do you remember? I. I do. Was you. You guys were recording the Thanksgiving episode.

[Memes]

Of Advisors, I think.

[Big Cat]

Ah. And Hank brought me in.

[Hank]

Just like show me around and I introduced myself.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What about you, pug? Yeah, I was just like normal. Higher and I was.

[Jack]

I think I walked in the studio.

[Big Cat]

Nervous as introduced myself and that was it. Yeah. Now. Yeah, now we're cool. Yeah. And then Jack. I'm still waiting to meet Jack cuz he's like, he's like over a thousand on introductions to me. So we're just, we're waiting for our first formal introduction. You're still waiting to meet me? Yeah, you. I mean you, you, you just whiffed every time. So we're, we're going to try, try to do that. Yeah. We can plan for it in the future. I like you, Jack. Jack. Wiper.

[Memes]

Wiper.

[Big Cat]

It was just that one time when Jack said. What, what did you say to me? It was very, it was uncomfortable. Just like, how's your morning going? It like 11:00am I think it was at like 9:30. No, it was a little later than that. And it also was weird to be like, just how's your morning going? I was like, what did you just do? Dude? It was very like corporate America.

[Hank]

Nice guy.

[Memes]

Yeah, nice guy.

[Big Cat]

Are a nice guy. What? Jack, real quick. Sean Moore, self imposed two game penalty suspension and then also your president left. Is this, is this weird to you?

[Jerry O'Connell]

It's a little weird.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Do you have a president right now?

[Jerry O'Connell]

No, we don't. We might have an interim, but.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah, it seems like everyone's kind of running away. Jesus Christ. Would that be fair to say?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

What are they running away from? Beats me.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

You, you, you didn't see anything. Yeah, exactly. All right, that's, that's our Michigan man, Jack. All right, good show, boys. No, Max isn't back till, till Monday. Sunday. What has he been doing in Hawaii?

[Memes]

Tweeting at us.

[Big Cat]

He misses us so much.

[Memes]

He does. He feels like he's got big time fomo.

[Big Cat]

Big time, Big time. Okay, numbers three.

[Memes]

That was a long pause meme.

[Big Cat]

I didn't even go for it there.

[Jack]

13.

[Big Cat]

What was the last number? You guessed me.

[Jack]

Games 44.

[Big Cat]

44.

[Jack]

13 is what the islanders got so open. We go twofer.

[Big Cat]

Okay. 99. Book five. What's wrong, Hank? 58. Barca Bartha.

[Hank]

We had it.

[Big Cat]

We did. Bartha.

[Jack]

13.

[Kirk Goldsberry]

13.

[Big Cat]

13. 21. Jack, did you say something? Did you say anything?

[Memes]

Number 58.

[Big Cat]

Hank, are you going to say number or. You said five.

[Jack]

He said five.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man, he's so down.

[Memes]

Hank. Come on, man. It'll be okay.

[Big Cat]

Thirteen.

[Memes]

Thirteen.

[Jack]

Come on. Thirteen.

[Big Cat]

Seven.

[Memes]

Love you guys.

[Jack]

One day.

[Memes]

Sa.