PFT Commenter (3:03)

Trying to get them to like football, football.

Big Cat (3:21)

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PFT Commenter (5:08)

Ford Field as the Lions hosted the Commanders in a biblical showdown with Daniels entering the Lions den. David Montgomery came back from a knee injury but Lions fans were screaming what? Gibbs as Jameer was taken off the field. Despite gashing the Commanders like the Roman Senate, Washington got a miracle from their terry godmother as McLaurin slipped through the screen like it was a take on me music video. In response, Ben Johnson and Johnson was forced to take an experimental shot downfield as the lines trailed by 10 and the commanders got the ball back. And as my good friend Eminem would say, hi, my name is what? My name is who? My name is Quinn Shady and Mikey Sandra.

Big Cat (5:53)

Still my bones collapse Shut Jared down.

PFT Commenter (5:55)

For some minor mistakes. Like a subway marketing representative, the Danalytics tilted towards the Commanders with Washington being even more aggressive than Campbell in a case of my Dan can beat up your Dan. Detroit coach Dan Talica tried to reload singing give me p'naisul, gimme fire, give me the outrage of Zar. But Quentin Sandman showed up saying, I've got Jaden and nothing else matters. The Washington Commanders are going to the NFC Championship game. Huh huh huh 45, 31 Commanders win.

Big Cat (6:30)

Left hand up we head to snowy Philadelphia where maxcilente was on the scene. We head over to Philadelphia where the.

Max (6:39)

Birds were shitting on the Rams D early, but Jake Smelliot was once again acting extra smelly as he stinks at kicking stinking extra points. After a stellar run game by the Birds, the fourth quarter came a knock in and Jaquan Barkley was telling the Rams defense two. Here comes the two to the six to the line. Now I'm looking at hurts right in his eyes. Tell him hey man I got this for the guys couple seconds pass. Now they're chasing my big thighs. Everybody in the club getting TDs.

Big Cat (7:13)

Everybody in the club getting TDs.

Max (7:16)

But after a pants comeback by La Jalen Cowboy Carter told the Rams o line, this ain't la. You can't hold me so I lay Matt Stafford down down down down.

Big Cat (7:30)

Eagles win 28, 22 and we finish.

PFT Commenter (7:35)

In Western New York where Josh Jimmy Fallon swept aside all the allegations of looking drunk and breaking character in the playoffs and he stumbled and bumbled for two touchdowns giving the Bills an 11 point halftime lead. But the liangelo Baltimore Ravens came out swerving and hitting that corner.

Big Cat (7:53)

Woo.

PFT Commenter (7:54)

In the second half as tractor Cito running up feels like Mike Florio legal fees.

Big Cat (8:00)

He's a lawyer. Boom.

PFT Commenter (8:01)

Scored a touchdown to make it a game mark. Aaron Andrews should have been on the sidelines instead of in the game as he dropped a two point conversion sending Buffalo off to the AFC Championship game.

Big Cat (8:13)

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PFT Commenter (9:34)

I think it's a good time to do it.

Big Cat (9:35)

Yeah.

Max (9:36)

Thank you to the Theney brothers and little legends. They put that together for us.

Big Cat (9:42)

We just, we want to get people jacked up for. That was one of the best weekends of football. I mean all the games, three out of four were like very, very close. Your game, pft. Which we'll get to. We got a lot to talk about. Wasn't really close, but it was an awesome, awesome game.

PFT Commenter (9:57)

That might have been the quarter of the week. The second quarter in that game.

Big Cat (10:00)

High scoring quarter in NFL history.

PFT Commenter (10:02)

That was insane.

Big Cat (10:03)

Insane track. But yeah, we deserve that. We should just soak in it. Love it. We have so much to talk about.

PFT Commenter (10:12)

And somehow next Sunday. Yeah, that seems like it's an even bigger day.

Big Cat (10:16)

I mean the script writers went off especially for this show. God is an awl. I think we can all shout out the G man.

PFT Commenter (10:22)

Yeah. Sorry about all that V talk last week. God.

Big Cat (10:24)

I'm not. God loves vagina.

PFT Commenter (10:26)

You think? Yeah, he definitely does.

Big Cat (10:27)

Yeah. 100.

PFT Commenter (10:28)

He created it.

Big Cat (10:29)

100%. Okay, let's get into it. Let's just hop right into it.

PFT Commenter (10:32)

Out of a rib.

Big Cat (10:33)

Out of a rib. Yeah, imagine that.

PFT Commenter (10:35)

Fellas, next time you're at. You're at Ruby Tuesdays or Applebee's looking at those ribs. Just be like, that could be a vagina.

Big Cat (10:41)

Yeah. Oz the mentalist. I haven't seen you do that.

PFT Commenter (10:45)

No, try.

Big Cat (10:46)

Try creating a vagina out of a rib, dude.

PFT Commenter (10:48)

Can't be done.

Big Cat (10:49)

All right. Yeah, I don't think anyone. That little tangent number one sports podcast. Yeah, we're talking ribs and vaginas. All right. Chiefs 23, Texans 14. Oh boy, there's a lot to talk about here. I have this as my two things can be true game.

PFT Commenter (11:08)

Yeah.

Big Cat (11:09)

The first thing can be that the Texans got absolutely screwed by penalties. And the second thing that can also be true is the Chiefs deserve to win this game because they outplayed him in special teams and they made big, you know, defensive stands and they made big plays to Travis Kelsey. And as much as it sucks, it's like. Yes. Did the, did the Texans get screwed? Of course they did. That. The, the, the roughing, the passer penalty in the first quarter that led to a field goal where that one was kind of like you can't, you can't even put yourself in a position where you're going helmet to helmet on a quarterback because you just know that's probably going to get called. I thought the, the one that happened, I think in the third quarter, the unnecessary roughness where the Texans hit each other.

PFT Commenter (12:00)

Yeah.

Big Cat (12:00)

And Mahomes slid underneath them. That led to a touchdown. That one was absolutely bullshit. And if you're a Texans fan, you have every. You probably weren't going to win the game because you didn't execute in the big moments and especially special teams. But if you're a Texans fan, you have every right to about that for the next week straight. Like I'm talking, you know, video replay, slow mo replays, replying to every chief's tweet, just being upset. You have every single right in the, in the, in the legal court of the Internet go off.

PFT Commenter (12:35)

I saw a picture of Patrick Mahomes kissing a referee.

Big Cat (12:38)

Yeah, I did too.

PFT Commenter (12:39)

I can't believe that they just let that happen.

Big Cat (12:41)

I want up you. I saw a picture of Andy Reid blowing a ref.

PFT Commenter (12:44)

I saw that too. Yeah, yeah. Knees on the sidelines. But the one where Patrick Mahomes is kissing a referee on the lips. I don't know how if you're the NFL, you can let the Chiefs get away with that.

Big Cat (12:55)

Yes.

PFT Commenter (12:55)

Something should be done about that. But yeah, to your point, big cat, the Texans, they were the first team that outgained an opponent by a hundred yards, had zero turnovers and lost a game in the playoffs.

Big Cat (13:05)

That's kind of.

PFT Commenter (13:07)

But, but diving deeper into what you said, they had a kick blocked. They missed an extra point.

Big Cat (13:13)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (13:13)

They missed a field goal. And you could tell that Kaimi Fairbairn, first of all, not, not a cold weather name. Second, when he went out there wearing the full on sub zero mask yeah, the full ski mask. He was not.

Big Cat (13:25)

He.

PFT Commenter (13:25)

The cold was in his head.

Big Cat (13:26)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (13:27)

So there's that and then there's the big return that they let up right off the bat. Stroud also got sacked eight times. He got banged up early too. And there were just pressures up his dick.

Big Cat (13:36)

Right. I saw that stat. That stat was bullshit because not only did the Chiefs intentionally take a safety and lose like 27 yards at the end of the game, which would have made that not 100 yard. The Chiefs also had 110 yards of kick returns.

PFT Commenter (13:51)

Yeah.

Big Cat (13:52)

Which, I mean, you could win a game.

PFT Commenter (13:54)

Well, most of you were on that first one.

Big Cat (13:56)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, 64, they had some other good kick returns. Like you could. Theoretically, you could have a 99 yard kick return every single time and then. And win a game with four yards of offense.

PFT Commenter (14:06)

Yeah, that's true.

Big Cat (14:07)

So that stat was misleading. I. The Texans just have a right to be upset and I don't think that's what. They screwed up the game in so many other ways. Not to mention like the, the kick, the. The special teams. That was atrocious and we said it when it was happening. Kaimi Fairbairn was. He looked like sub zero.

PFT Commenter (14:24)

Yeah, he was. He was not. That is not a cold weather kicker.

Big Cat (14:27)

Yeah, you can't, you can't wear that much cold weather gear and like exude any type of confidence for your team.

PFT Commenter (14:35)

No, the weather was up. The weather was up by 11 points before kickoff. So on those plays, it leads me to one thing I've been talking about for the last couple years, which is the in studio analysts. The in studio analysts that, that do. This guy on ESPN was a guy by the name of Russell Yerk, who we've never heard of before. We thought he might be AI because the picture of him looked like he was AI. He was on. He. They shot, showed his picture on the screen for about like two seconds, then they take it away. This guy was the guy who headed up the oversight for instant replay for like a dozen years in the NFL. He. He is a computer program.

Big Cat (15:12)

Right.

PFT Commenter (15:12)

His job. He was not a ref.

Big Cat (15:14)

He.

PFT Commenter (15:14)

He was the head of replay officiating. So he might as well be just a piece of software code.

Big Cat (15:19)

Right?

PFT Commenter (15:20)

I'm sick of the replay guys. The analysts getting on TV and just being like, yeah, the refs are right.

Big Cat (15:26)

Right.

PFT Commenter (15:27)

That was a good call. The. The unnecessary roughness against Mahomes was complete.

Big Cat (15:32)

Complete.

PFT Commenter (15:32)

The one where they hit him in the pocket, that was too, because it was the chest that made contact with his Shoulder and then yeah, his face, her. His helmet got close.

Big Cat (15:40)

That was the problem.

PFT Commenter (15:40)

Close to Mahomes face mask afterwards, that was. But again, if, if the Chiefs get any breaks in games, they capitalize on. They always do. And also the Texans might be circled as being like one of the teams that refs take a closer look at because of the way they reacted to the Al Shair suspension thing, which is complete also. But also the matchup of Chris Jones going up against this Texans offensive line on the field in between the lines, in between the whistles, that was dominance. He was just so disruptive.

Big Cat (16:10)

Yeah, he, he and Carloftus was incredible. I mean he was, he was just wreck them on big, big plays. The Texans, that, that 4th and 10 that they ran where they weren't really set, didn't call a timeout. That was like an enormous play. And it just felt like outside of the penalties which were egregious, the Chiefs did what they do. They execute big time situations like that. That throw to Travis Kelsey where Mahomes was completely parallel to the ground. Those type of plays, the big third downs. I will, I do want to say. So you're Russell Yerk, loser. Troy Aikman. Shout out Troy Aikman. Because I like that he has just basically, I don't know when it happened, but he essentially is just like, I'm going to be brutally honest all the time and say fuck it, if he watches a bad football game, he's going to tell you it's a bad football game. And his point on Patrick Mahomes was spot on. That Mahomes, as great as he is, and he is the best right now in the NFL. He's going for a three peat which has never happened in the NFL. His thing where he lets up like he lets up on purpose to try to go players into hitting him is bullshit. It's bullshit. Like you can't. It's so hard for defenders to hit a quarterback in today's NFL. It's essentially impossible. And they have all the rights the quarterback does in terms of how they can dictate how the play is going to go. And he called out that one specific play where Mahomes. It wasn't even one of the penalties, it was Mahomes essentially who scrambling and like almost stood still waiting for a guy to hit him illegally or hit him out of bounds. And I wish Mahomes didn't do that because he doesn't have to. Yeah, that's the one thing he doesn't have to do that.

PFT Commenter (18:01)

But also it's it is a smart play by Mahomes do. Because he gets those calls all the time. Which is like the, the same thing that you were saying. It's two things are TR doing the right thing in terms of how to win a football game that works. It sucks to watch. It sucks to be a defender. The only thing that needs to happen, the NFL needs to change the rule or they need to what they should do. This is actually a perfect example of what the NFL should do with replay. That's a pretty cut and dry one where you can watch on replay and say is this an out of bounds hit or not?

Big Cat (18:30)

Right. And it's. It's no different than the NBA when guys used to try to jump into people to get a shooting foul. Yeah, like, like it's. Guys were doing that because they were calling it. You need to figure out a way to not call it as much so that Mahomes isn't, you know, benefiting from it because then he'll stop doing it. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (18:48)

If that's the rule, then he's going to continue to do it as long as it's. It's helping his team out. I actually thought the Texans defense, for the most part, at least in terms of their cornerbacks, played pretty good. They played really well. Stingley and Laster gave up zero catches. Zero catches. That's pretty fucking good.

Big Cat (19:04)

I counterpoint they just didn't like account for Travis Kelsey.

PFT Commenter (19:10)

Right.

Big Cat (19:10)

But Travis Kelsey was the game plan of like, oh, we think Travis Kelsey's over the hill. That's just not true because Travis Kelsey continues to be a monster in the playoffs. He went for seven catches, 117 yards and a touchdown. Travis Kelsey, that is his 14th straight game with over 70. Playoff game with over 70 yards in those 14 games. He is averaging. These are all playoff games. He is averaging eight and a half catches, 99 yards and over a touchdown per game. Like you probably should have worried about Travis Kelsey a little bit more and that we said this on Friday when we're doing the preview when the Chiefs get in the playoffs. It's Mahomes with his legs and Travis Kelsey on third down and you just know that it's going to be there and it was there when they needed it and that was the difference in the game. Like if you, if you don't let Travis Kelce beat you, maybe the Texans win that game. I don't know. They. At the end of the day, the Texans just didn't execute in special teams more than anything. And not blocking, you know, it Felt like there was multiple times that the Chiefs needed a big play on defense and Spags would dial something up and they would send a blitzer at the right time. Carloftis would. Would win it one on one, and they would get that big sack and get him into negative plays. It sucks because I thought C.J. stroud was. He played well and he was tough as. Because he got absolutely killed a few times.

PFT Commenter (20:31)

It looks like he got hit out of bounds when he was running in the first quarter, and then he was significantly hampered when he was trying to run after that. By the end of the game, he was just.

Big Cat (20:39)

He got hit again, too.

PFT Commenter (20:40)

Yeah, he was. Later in the game, he was torn up. But yeah, the Chiefs defense played really well. I. I just think that the Texans, they played a lot better than a lot of people thought that they would.

Big Cat (20:48)

Yeah. They only scored one touchdown, though. That's like, you look at it and you're like, okay, you, you. You left a bunch of points on the field with your. Your field goal unit. You left. You. You hurt your defense by giving up a bunch of kick returns, and then you scored one touchdown. Like, you can't win a game scoring one touchdown against the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs.

PFT Commenter (21:07)

You want to do a thought experiment real quick?

Big Cat (21:08)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (21:09)

Okay. Imagine the Kansas City Chiefs had never won a Super Bowl. Would people be rooting for the Chiefs in these playoffs? Would they be a team that's fun to watch? That. That still.

Hank (21:20)

No.

PFT Commenter (21:20)

You don't think so?

Big Cat (21:22)

I wouldn't say they're fun to watch.

Hank (21:23)

Compared to the teams left.

Big Cat (21:25)

Yeah. I mean, so would it be the Chiefs have the same history, but they never. Would they have gotten as far and like, fallen short?

PFT Commenter (21:34)

Yeah, I guess that's like.

Big Cat (21:36)

Because then, yes, I think they. Teams people would have been rooting for Mahomes kind of like a Josh Allen or Lamar where it's like if he had gotten to all these Super Bowls and never won one. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (21:45)

Alternate universe where Josh has three Super Bowls.

Big Cat (21:48)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (21:48)

Patrick Mahomes doesn't have any.

Big Cat (21:50)

I think people would be rooting for him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But. But they would still get.

PFT Commenter (21:54)

They would still get upset with the whole sideline dancing thing. And when he took that, when he did that slide when the two Texans hit each other, that's not. I don't blame Mahomes for doing that. He was just trying to get on the ground, but that's a call that you can't make as a ref. Do you know how fast he also.

Hank (22:08)

Waited so long to go to the ground, though.

Big Cat (22:10)

He wasn't.

Hank (22:10)

He wasn't really trying to get to the ground, but it's.

Big Cat (22:13)

But this is what we say. I mean, the Chiefs are for the. Every call goes, you know, the chief's way. I actually don't think. Statistically, I don't think that's true. Like, people pull it up and it's like, it's actually not true. It feels that way. The reason why it feels that way is that if you give the Chiefs even an inch, they're going to win the game.

PFT Commenter (22:33)

If you extend a drive, if you.

Big Cat (22:34)

If you. If you make a singular mistake with the Chiefs. And these. These calls weren't mistakes because they were just bad calls. They will capitalize every single time and make you pay for it. So the calls get magnified. You know what I mean? Like, if they don't. If they don't score a touchdown in a field goal off these two calls, it probably just doesn't feel as. As significant, but. Because if they get a free 15 yards, they're going to go score a touchdown. That's just what the Chiefs do. That's a championship team. That's what they do.

PFT Commenter (23:03)

And we're going to be 60 years old, and Travis Kelsey is just going to be sitting down in the middle of zone coverage, catching a football, turning up field, running for 12 more yards. That's just going to happen. I love it when announcers like, this guy just knows how to get open.

Big Cat (23:15)

He's. He's so good, and he's so good in these big situations. And like I said, I mean, the 14. 14 straight playoff games of 70 yards or more, and I think only one of the. I think two of those 14 were. Were in the 70s. Like, he had 171 and 179. There's a bunch that are in the hundreds. Like, he just. He just shows up. He's there for Mahomes when he needs to be. And that. I mean, that passed by Mahomes, where he was completely parallel, was insane.

PFT Commenter (23:42)

It was nuts.

Big Cat (23:42)

It was absolutely insane. And now Mahomes is seven and, oh, in the divisional round. He has won a playoff game every single year that he has been a starter, which is pretty insane. That's just baseline. He's going to win at least one playoff game. And the last seven years for the Chiefs look like this. They. In 2018, they lost the Patriots in the AFC championship game. In 2019, they won the Super Bowl. In 2020, they lost the Super Bowl. In 2021, they lost to the Bengals in the AFC championship game. 22 Super bowl champs, 23 Super bowl champs, 24 AFC championship game. The. The floor for their season is the AFC Championship game.

PFT Commenter (24:24)

Yeah, it must be nice.

Big Cat (24:25)

That's.

PFT Commenter (24:26)

It must be real nice being a. I want to see what the map looks like when they put out the map of who America is rooting for these games. Yeah, it's prob. Probably just Kansas, Missouri. I think it's just Kansas, Missouri. Probably.

Big Cat (24:38)

Maybe.

PFT Commenter (24:39)

Maybe Texas.

Big Cat (24:40)

Maybe Texas. Probably not.

PFT Commenter (24:42)

But that's probably about it in this one.

Big Cat (24:45)

It's crazy. They're just. They're just always there, and it is. I mean, Scott Van Pelt joked about it, like the. The Kansas City Invitational. That's what it's become. I think they. Oh, I guess last year they didn't host it because they went to Baltimore, but the other six years, I believe they hosted all of those.

PFT Commenter (25:01)

I just want to put a magnifying glass or a spotlight on Deontay Johnson's year this year, because I think he's had the craziest year of any NFL player ever. So he got traded from the Steelers to the Panthers.

Big Cat (25:13)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (25:14)

He got traded from the Panthers to the Ravens. He got suspended from the Ravens, then he got brought back and cut by the Ravens. Then he got signed by the Texans. Then he got cut by the Texans, and then he got signed by the Ravens again, mostly just for a procedural thing so they could cut him and I think get like a compensatory.

Big Cat (25:33)

Yeah, that's right out of it.

PFT Commenter (25:34)

But that's. You have to be really bad at wide receiver to get cut by the Ravens and the Texans also.

Big Cat (25:41)

Probably not a great locker room guy in this year.

PFT Commenter (25:44)

Yeah, probably not a great locker room guy.

Big Cat (25:45)

Yeah, I think there was that clip of him, like, when the. I. I think it was on the Ravens when he got, like, one target and they won the game. I think he was pissed off after.

PFT Commenter (25:55)

I think he was pissed after the Texans won their playoff game. I think he was upset after that.

Big Cat (25:59)

Yeah, he should never have left Pittsburgh.

PFT Commenter (26:01)

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, to this year, to get cut from the Steeler. To get cut from the Texans and the Ravens, given their receiver injuries. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Also, getting traded away as a wide receiver from the Steelers is really bad.

Big Cat (26:15)

Really bad. Really bad. So Texans. I feel like as rocky as this season looked, and it did look really rocky because C.J. stroud, I mean, he took a step back. He was not as good as he was last year. I feel like the arrow is still pointing up for them. Because that defense is so legit. And you gotta hope that you're not gonna have two of your top three weapons get hurt like they did with Tank Dell and Stefon Diggs. I know Tankdale might not be back for a while, but. But that he also came to play.

Hank (26:48)

In the playoff game like that. Like, he showed. He showed that dog in the playoff game. Like, they didn't lose because of him at all.

Big Cat (26:55)

No, in the Chargers game, they killed him. And that defense is. I mean, that was an incredible defense. And they went toe to toe with the Chiefs. I know that the final score doesn't look like that, but they were in that game for the majority of that game, and they just had a few plays, whether it be the block, you know, field goal miss, field goal, couple sacks here and there like that. They just. They. If they get an offensive line and maybe another weapon, they'll be right back in the. In the thick of it. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (27:23)

After the game, C.J. stroud was pretty realistic about it. He was like, yeah, I'd say this. You know, I'm not happy with the loss, but I'm happy with how we competed. And there's some things to be optimistic about. And then they asked Miko Ryan's that same question. He was like, no, I'm furious. This sucks. This is the worst ever.

Big Cat (27:37)

Yeah. And there was a lot of rightfully so Texans players being like, you can't. I actually thought that they were. They. I saw a couple quotes and they were essentially like, you just can't make mistakes against the Chiefs. Like, you know that they. They were kind of blaming the refs. But it is true. Like, you just can't make a single mistake against the Chiefs. Because Patrick Mahomes is that level now where he's not the same guy that he was six years ago where he was just throwing bombs at Tyree Kill. But his, like, savviness and ability to just make a big play when it needs to be made is so off the charts. It's like that winning. His numbers don't jump off the table, off the page, but like, they used to. But his ability to just win and be in big moments is so out of control that you just know the Chiefs are going to be there.

PFT Commenter (28:29)

You know, it's scary to think about this right now, what we're seeing Patrick Mahomes do this season. This might be the NFL figuring out. Patrick Mahomes.

Big Cat (28:36)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (28:36)

Because when he had Tyreek Hill and he was putting up all those crazy stats and numbers, that was before defenses adjusted Then they started running that like, too high safety look on him. You're not going to score 30 points in a quarter against us anymore. And then this is the NFL figuring out Patrick Mahomes. And they won 15 games.

Big Cat (28:53)

They, they went 15 and two and they're in the AFC championship game. And last year everyone was like, the Chiefs are not good and they won the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's, that's, that's the level that Patrick Mahomes is playing at. And they're, defense is just so legit. I mean, their, their defensive line wrecks. Wrecks teams. McDuffie is such a stud. Jalen Watson being back was huge. And Spags is, I mean, he just, it feels like there's like three or four times a game where Spags will just call the perfect play. That. It's, it's, it's, it's the same thing as like a genius offensive coordinator who will call a play that no one sees coming and trick a team. He does that on defense. And it's, it's incredible to watch because you just know if you get in a spot where you are in like, obvious passing downs late in the game and you're trailing to the Chiefs, Spags will figure it out.

PFT Commenter (29:44)

And that's what he did at all the right times. Yeah, Hank, what were you gonna say? I thought you raised your hand.

Hank (29:50)

No, no, I mean, I, I understand what it was like rooting against the Patriots for a long time. I always used to do the, you know, hate us because they anus. But yeah, it's just miserable. It's. It's slow death. No one's rooting for the Chiefs, at least. Like I'm not.

PFT Commenter (30:04)

I like that they hate. I mean, they hate us because they ain't us.

Big Cat (30:07)

Better be rooting for the Bills. Yeah.

Hank (30:08)

Oh, yeah.

Big Cat (30:09)

Yeah.

Hank (30:09)

Oh, yes.

PFT Commenter (30:10)

Our friend Josh rooting for your friend Tom Brady's dynasty. And it's.

Big Cat (30:14)

Josh got to do it.

PFT Commenter (30:15)

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, the Chiefs are just, they pounce on everything. They just do. They're just gonna, they're gonna keep doing this year in, year out. And when it comes to Patrick Mahomes, if it means that he has to throw 150 yards and win, he'll figure out a way to do that.

Big Cat (30:31)

Right.

PFT Commenter (30:31)

And guess what? Their, their running game will probably be cooking that game.

Big Cat (30:34)

Yeah. I mean, they didn't really have. I mean, we said it with the yards gained. I mean, like I said, the field position was, was great for them, but it's not. I mean, Cream Hunt carried the ball eight times. That wasn't. That was their leading rusher for 44 yards and Pacheco had five rushes for 18 yards. Like they didn't they. It was Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes making big plays.

PFT Commenter (30:58)

In a sick twist as, as Chiefs fans and Chiefs players have been, you know, scrapping around looking for bulletin board material wherever they can find it for the last like three seasons because they're. Everybody respects the Chiefs. Everybody knows how good they are. Now they've got the bulletin board material of one. Patrick Mahomes did not make the Pro Bowl. That was unnecessary bulletin board material that we gave them. America number two is talking about the refs. That has somehow become a strength of theirs where they're like all you guys are going to do is complain about the refs.

Big Cat (31:26)

Talk about the refs. Travis Kelsey being washed in the regular season. His. His over under yards for the playoff game was 50.

PFT Commenter (31:35)

Yeah, I think they were saving him.

Big Cat (31:36)

Yeah, they. Of course they are.

PFT Commenter (31:37)

Yeah.

Big Cat (31:37)

He just, he has to show up in the playoffs and that's what he does. So it's Mahomes, the refs, Travis Kelce also remember that stat. The. They're. They're one of like three teams to not score 30 points.

PFT Commenter (31:50)

Yep.

Big Cat (31:50)

That's still going. Do you know who scored 30 points 11 times? The Detroit Lions. Yeah, like that's. They don't give a fuck. The Chiefs are not trying to win style points. They're just winning football games and they're. They do it at a level that is insane.

PFT Commenter (32:07)

I respect the hell out of the Chiefs for being able to do this, for keeping this up. It's honestly pretty incredible.

Big Cat (32:12)

Yeah. I mean like I said, Mahomes has reached a different level where it's not, it's not the wow, eye popping numbers that he's had in years past. But it doesn't matter because he's just at a. He's like thinking the game at a different level and every time you need a big play, it's Mahomes. And yeah, I mean the Chiefs fans like I think chief fans need to just embrace the fact that the refs did, did help them in this game and just be like, sorry, don't make mistakes. Yeah. I don't. Ever lead with your helmet near within 10 yards of Patrick Mahomes. If you put your helmet even 10 yards within Patrick Mahomes there's a chance it's going to get flat.

PFT Commenter (32:47)

It probably will.

Big Cat (32:48)

Yeah. So just don't do it.

PFT Commenter (32:50)

Yeah. And that you mentioned in the fastest two Minutes. They did have the box of the year.

Big Cat (32:53)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (32:54)

Taylor Swift, Caitlin Clark, Tommy Alter, our friend put some respect on. Tommy was just lingering in the background of that.

Big Cat (33:01)

Big time lingering.

PFT Commenter (33:02)

Then they had Donna Kelsey, right? She was up there.

Big Cat (33:05)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (33:06)

Donna Kelsey. Was Mr. Kelsey around?

Big Cat (33:08)

I don't know.

PFT Commenter (33:09)

He never gets talked, never gets FaceTime.

Big Cat (33:10)

But yeah, Kelsey never gets it.

PFT Commenter (33:12)

Yeah.

Big Cat (33:13)

It was also Dave Portnoy's like, dream, dream box.

PFT Commenter (33:16)

Yep, it was.

Big Cat (33:19)

He. He probably saw that and was like, man, I wish I was there.

PFT Commenter (33:21)

Are you guys box guys?

Big Cat (33:23)

Yeah, yeah, big time.

PFT Commenter (33:25)

Like just the box or do you need the game? You need TDs around?

Big Cat (33:28)

I would like the game. Yeah, no, I would like the game. I don't think I could just watch a box.

Hank (33:33)

I love being in a good box.

PFT Commenter (33:35)

Yeah, but not. Not watching the box.

Big Cat (33:37)

But if you go into a box, you're just not going to watch the game.

PFT Commenter (33:40)

No, but if you're watching the box.

Hank (33:42)

I like going inside the box.

Big Cat (33:43)

You would like to just watch the box instead of the football game?

PFT Commenter (33:46)

Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I would like to just watch the box.

Big Cat (33:48)

I'd like to watch the whole thing. I want everything around the box. Like, what's a box? If you don't have the football game.

PFT Commenter (33:54)

The goal is to get into the box.

Hank (33:55)

What's the box if you're not inside of it?

Big Cat (33:56)

It.

PFT Commenter (33:57)

The boxes. That's what you want to get into.

Big Cat (33:59)

Yeah, that's just. Sometimes that's just looking at a picture of a box. Right. And that doesn't do anything.

Hank (34:03)

No.

PFT Commenter (34:04)

Sometimes.

Big Cat (34:04)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (34:05)

The chase to get in the box is better than being in the box.

Hank (34:09)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (34:11)

I mean, if you never get in the box, so that kind of sucks.

PFT Commenter (34:13)

It does. Yeah. You look back on, you're like, maybe I could have gotten in that box. But we'll never.

Big Cat (34:17)

Maybe I should have just asked if I could have gotten in that box and the box would have been like, yeah. Why did it take you so long to ask? That is the worst feeling.

PFT Commenter (34:26)

But then that maybe there are some boxes that you think that you could have gotten into, but in reality you wouldn't have. But you always will go on thinking, I could have been in that box. And you can tell your friends, I could have been that box.

Big Cat (34:36)

Oh, yeah, those are some of the best boxes. When you go and you're like, oh, do you see how many boxes I could have gotten into tonight? But I don't. I didn't. You know what? I'd rather just have pizza.

PFT Commenter (34:43)

All of them.

Big Cat (34:44)

Yeah. Sometimes I'd rather Just have pizza and hang with the boys at 2am Instead of getting into all those boxes. Boxes that were inviting me.

Hank (34:50)

When you saw Tommy, your friend in the box, were you like, damn, like, were you like mad or are you like happy?

Big Cat (34:55)

No, I asked him to please not shower so I could smell him after.

PFT Commenter (34:58)

I was happy. I was, I was super pumped for Tommy. Yeah, like, you gotta gas your bros up.

Big Cat (35:02)

Yeah, for sure. Of course we did. We text him. We're like, dude, big time. How sick was that box looked?

Hank (35:08)

Pretty sick.

Big Cat (35:08)

He looked really sick. Yeah. Chiefs are just gonna go to the super bowl again, aren't they?

PFT Commenter (35:13)

I mean, you'd be a fool to say to write them off or to doubt.

Big Cat (35:17)

I tweeted it a month ago. I was like, everyone needs to just recognize the Chiefs are going to three peat and then act accordingly. And it's not like I'm rooting it. I'm rooting for the opposite to happen. I was, I bet the Chiefs in this game because I was like, well, it's playoff Mahomes and I was actively rooting for the Texans during the game. Also, it was the Travis.

Hank (35:37)

The Travis Kelsey parallel to the ground touchdown. That's when it was like, yeah, yeah, that's my home.

Big Cat (35:42)

That's like he has just stood there.

PFT Commenter (35:44)

Looking at the defender like, you tried.

Big Cat (35:46)

And he's going to have like two or three of those plays. A game where like no one else can do that. And he did that and that's why he's Mahomes and everyone else is everyone else. I like just thinking about this game. What like the. I do want to say, anyone who bet -9 and a half, apologies because I know it was 8 and a half all week and then on Saturday it was 9 and a half. That safety was so fucked. That's an all time, all time.

Hank (36:13)

After the missed field goal.

Big Cat (36:14)

After the missed field goal where you're like, holy shit, we did it it. And then they'll lose it. I think some people push it nine as well. That's one that you have a right to complain about just as much as the Texans can complain. Again. I don't think the. I think the Texans, when you score one touchdown and have those gaffes on special teams, you can't be like, man, we should have won that game if those calls go differently. But that doesn't. That's. That's common sense. That's the. The two things can be true. That's common sense. Irrational fan brain. Complain the away. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (36:47)

At least you have a great complaint to just about.

Big Cat (36:50)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (36:50)

You can always in your mind, you can look back on this game a year from now being like, we should have beat the Chiefs, but the refs us.

Big Cat (36:56)

Yeah. We got screwed.

PFT Commenter (36:57)

That's good.

Big Cat (36:58)

It's.

PFT Commenter (36:58)

It's nice to have an excuse that is not your fault at all.

Big Cat (37:01)

Yeah. Okay. So anything else from this game? The Chiefs, I believe, are one and a half point favorites over the Bills.

PFT Commenter (37:09)

Okay.

Big Cat (37:09)

Which. That's disrespectful to Patrick Mahomes, I would say. So it sets. They'll just throw that out there. They just. I also shout. Did you guys see that picture of the Texans fans that were at the last. Last row of Arrowhead?

PFT Commenter (37:22)

No.

Big Cat (37:23)

Oh, my God. I want to just. I don't know. They probably don't. If they're hearing this, if they know someone. If someone knows these people, just be like, hey, we. We mentioned them. I'll try to find it for you. It. It's like a narrow portion where it. Like, they were so far up there and it was so cold and so windy that I don't know how they survived. And those are just. Those fans need a shout out. Let me find a picture. Can you find it, Max?

PFT Commenter (37:48)

One thing I do like about the.

Big Cat (37:49)

Texans fans Arrowhead, the cold weather is.

PFT Commenter (37:52)

When the coaches wear the ski mask on the sidelines because the one that goes, like, above your mouth, it blocks out the lip readers out there. Yeah, it's perfect. That's why Andy Reid has a big mustache.

Big Cat (38:01)

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Look at that. Look at that picture.

PFT Commenter (38:04)

Yeah.

Big Cat (38:04)

Those Texans fans, that's. I don't even know if they make you pay for those seats.

PFT Commenter (38:08)

Is that a safe row?

Big Cat (38:10)

It's crazy.

PFT Commenter (38:11)

Structurally sound.

Big Cat (38:11)

That's so far up there. And that's like, you know, they're just getting their dicks kicked in by the wind up there.

PFT Commenter (38:20)

Yeah. That's like that thing that leans out over the willis tower.

Big Cat (38:23)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (38:24)

That you look at.

Big Cat (38:24)

Yeah. So shout out those Texans fans. Arrow pointing up for the Texans. I. I really do think that, like, this. This was weirdly bad season because, you know, the injuries and CJ Stroud step back, but they. They're going to be there next year. Yeah. And they're gonna. They are the only team to never be in a champion championship game. I think I saw that stat.

PFT Commenter (38:44)

I didn't think that CJ Played bad. I. I think that this is something that you can be happy with going to next year.

Big Cat (38:49)

And remember, you have more playoff wins than the Cowboys since your franchise was created. Pretty good Just, we made that graphic. Just take that graphic, save it in your phone, show it to everyone. Okay. Before we get to the night game, does everybody here know what season it is?

Hank (39:08)

Football season?

Big Cat (39:09)

Football, yes. Hockey? Basketball, yeah, that's right. But it's also tax season.

Max (39:14)

Oh.

Big Cat (39:14)

Which we all know Hank is not a fan of. How you feeling about that, Hank?

Hank (39:18)

I actually feel good about tax season this year because of tax action. You're not going to believe this, but Taxact is great. It's a do yourself tax filing software company. That's what I've been using to do my taxes here. I've been getting ahead of it. They have step by step guidance that makes filing easy. Who doesn't want to do their taxes to be easy? Right? Everyone.

PFT Commenter (39:37)

Right.

Hank (39:39)

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Big Cat (40:11)

Love that, Hank. Okay. Night game commanders 45, Lions 31 PFT. What a game. Yeah, what a game.

PFT Commenter (40:19)

If you're Lions fan, please fast forward probably for the next three minutes. I understand that you would not want.

Big Cat (40:24)

To be longer than that.

PFT Commenter (40:25)

That you would want to listen to this.

Big Cat (40:26)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (40:27)

But for the first time that I can ever remember in my life, I'm thinking soupy. I'm finally thinking soupy. And the turnaround this team had is unreal from last year. Last year the commanders were 4 and 13. We had the worst defense in the NFL, ranked number 32. We had the 25th offense in the NFL. A minus 189 point differential. This year, 14, 5 16th ranked defense, 5th ranked offense, 1st ranked offense on 4th down. A couple weeks ago we weren't sure if they were good. We thought that the just one game. They're good.

Big Cat (41:11)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (41:11)

They just kicked a great team's ass in their house. They're a good team. And Jaden Daniels, he is. God, Jaden is. He's the best. I think he's the best. Quarterback in the nfc. I think he's probably top five in the NFL. This team is just incredible to watch. It was a lot of fun. That second quarter was just. It was nuts. Just score, score, score. And the defense stepped it up big time, creating turnovers, the interceptions of Jared, the interception of. The trick play that Ben Johnson tried to run. They did kind of a bend, but don't break thing. The. The Lions were scoring touchdowns. They were gashing us with Jameer Gibbs. And then for some reason, they kept putting Montgomery back out there on Friday. I said Montgomery's a great player, and it's. He's tough, as if he's battled back and he's playing in this game. I respect the hell out of him. But at the same time, if you're going to tell me I'm either getting Montgomery on the field or Gibbs on the field. As a commander's fan, give Montgomery as many touches as you can possibly give them because we couldn't stop Jameer Gibbs at all. And yeah, they. They scored their points, they took their shots, but their defense, I think probably sustained too many injuries over the course of the season to be able to do much to stop the. The commanders. But it is. It's incredible. It's. It's been such a fun season, and Jaden is the first quarterback that's drafted in the top four to ever make a championship game as a rookie. And, yeah, it's. It was a lot of fun. I was scared going to the game. I wasn't. I wasn't feeling confident until we recovered that onside kick at the end. But, yeah, man, I. I think that. I think we can beat anybody. Yeah, that's what Jaden has done. Like, I don't think that we're the best team in the NFL. I don't think we necessarily have the best roster top to bottom in the NFL, but I think that we could beat any team on any given Sunday. And the keys to the game, them up. Put the women, children to bed.

Big Cat (43:07)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (43:07)

Jaden Daniels and the hype video.

Big Cat (43:10)

Four check marks, which is a great hype video.

PFT Commenter (43:12)

Thank you. I appreciate it. Right. Max didn't care.

Big Cat (43:14)

I watched the whole thing. It was a great hype video. And then I listened to Coldplay in my car.

PFT Commenter (43:19)

Yeah, I did.

Big Cat (43:21)

That's when you know a hype video is good, that you listen to the song after the hype video.

PFT Commenter (43:25)

It's a great song.

Max (43:25)

Yeah, that's a lie. Saying that I didn't care for it. I thought it was a really good video, but it Other people agreed with me that it seemed more like a end of season video.

PFT Commenter (43:35)

Guess what? It worked.

Max (43:36)

It worked. It worked.

PFT Commenter (43:37)

Was it supposed to hype up other people or Commander's fans?

Max (43:40)

No, there was Commanders fans that were saying that too.

PFT Commenter (43:42)

No, I didn't see that. I did. I, I saw almost 100 approval rating on the hype video.

Max (43:46)

No, it was a good video. It was a great video. It's just the vibe. But, you know, it worked. So what can I say? It worked.

PFT Commenter (43:54)

Yeah, it was telling a story. I was telling a story.

Big Cat (43:56)

It was a great storytelling. This game to me came down to two things. One, a guy by the name of Philly Mays on Twitter tweeted out, the Lions may win this game by a hundred. When they were up seven to three, that was almost instantly proven incorrect. And then the real thing was, I think we all had the same thought. We're watching this game. Commanders were incredible in the first half. We're like, can they, can they hold on? And what happened in the second half, Commanders get the ball three and out. Lions go down the field, score, make it a three point game. You're like, oh, here it comes. And then Jaden Daniels went on a 15 play, 70 yard drive. Started with 828 in the third quarter, gave the ball back to the Lions with 1329 in the fourth quarter, got a touchdown, back to a 10 point lead. That was it. Like that, that drive. Because that was the moment. That was the moment. And I think I tweeted, jaden Daniels is unflappable. That was the moment where the Commanders could have blinked and like, you know, you're in a ruckus environment. You're an eight and a half point dog. You just went three and out. They just went and scored. It's three point game and he didn't blink. And he's, I mean, he's special. Like that's what I wrote down right here. Jaden Daniels is special. He's incredible. Like his rookie season has been out of this world. Probably one of the best of all time rookie seasons. Obviously I get tagged in a lot of tweets. He's way better than Caleb Williams right now. I still have hopes for Caleb Williams, but I also think that if Jaden Daniels was drafted by the Bears, he wouldn't have been good. That's neither here nor there. This is more about Jaden Daniels. He's special. He's an incredible, incredible talent. And I said this to you on Friday. I was like, like I went in the game being like the Lions are better, but Jaden Daniels is just different.

PFT Commenter (45:45)

Yeah.

Big Cat (45:45)

And like that was. I kept on saying in my head, I ended up betting the commanders on the spread. I wish I better Moneyline. But I just kept on saying like, whatever's happening here, it's a whole team believing and this guy just carrying them all to this place where it's like they're just. Everyone's playing better and everyone plays different knowing they have that guy who can make those type of drives and those type of plays. Fourth down plays where it just, it's incredible.

PFT Commenter (46:12)

So on fourth down, I, I noticed this early on in the season, like third and short. Fourth and short. Jaden Daniels just doesn't care. He just doesn't care at all.

Big Cat (46:21)

He's.

PFT Commenter (46:21)

He's the same guy. He acts like it's a first and 10 every time. He acts like it's the easiest play in the world. He's unflappable. He's cool. He does not panic ever. So when we, we do these fourth down conversions, I'm always like, yeah, you know what, Dan? It. Let's go for it.

Big Cat (46:36)

Except for Marcus Mariota. That was one of the worst.

PFT Commenter (46:38)

That was, that was bad. So I think we were three for four.

Big Cat (46:40)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (46:41)

On fourth down conversions.

Big Cat (46:42)

Don't. Don't take the ball out of Jaden Daniel's hands.

PFT Commenter (46:44)

Don't do it with the Commanders. I, I think after Saturday night's game, we now have the most fourth down conversions in playoff history. After two games like, they, they go for their consistent. Dan Quinn's been doing this all year. He's do like he outdan Dan. Yeah, it was. This is the type of game plan that Dan Campbell's known for. Dan Quinn did it. We executed better. Just. He doesn't, he does not give a. That it's fourth down.

Big Cat (47:09)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (47:10)

I don't know how he does it. He doesn't feel emotions. He just goes out there and he acts like it's practice.

Hank (47:15)

The term Orlovsky, I like the term he uses. He says pocket piece.

Big Cat (47:18)

Yeah.

Hank (47:19)

He's got, he's got the best pocket piece. Like he's just.

Big Cat (47:21)

Peace. Yes.

Hank (47:22)

He's at peace.

Big Cat (47:23)

He's unflappable. That was the two words, unflappable and special. Like there's just something going on there where he's just. He's. The game is slowing down for him almost where he just looks like he's playing it at a completely different speed than everyone else. Also, to add to your like, turnaround, each of the top eight commander tacklers this year on defense were not on the roster a year ago.

PFT Commenter (47:46)

Yeah.

Big Cat (47:46)

And Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury and your ownership group and, you know, your gm, everyone, like, this is. Watching this. I. I've. I've come to peace with it. Obviously, I've had mixed feelings where I, you know, tried to fight against it, and I was like, this is not. Like, this isn't happening. Jaden Daniels is special. I had. I. I've given up probably, like, three weeks ago, where I was like, this is just. I think it was the Falcons game where I was like, why even fight it? The guy is on another level. And if anything, it gives hope to anyone who roots for a bad team is like, you just got to get a new owner.

PFT Commenter (48:18)

Yeah.

Big Cat (48:19)

And then everything can work because Dan Quinn, everything's working for him, and everything's working for Cliff Kingsbury. Everything's working for Jaden Daniels. The only thing that's not working is Stu Finer did say that after everyone on the Commanders hugged Magic Johnson after the game that the whole team is out with AIDS next week.

PFT Commenter (48:37)

Well, that's not true scientifically.

Big Cat (48:38)

Yeah, that was Stu going back in his bag.

PFT Commenter (48:42)

But you know what? It's a playoff. Everybody's dealing with something.

Big Cat (48:44)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (48:44)

Everyone's nicked up in the playoffs.

Big Cat (48:45)

No, it's crazy. I'm happy for you. It's crazy. Like, and I know people like, oh, you're not actually happy for him. I gave up on trying to fight it. Like I said a month ago, where it's like, you. You just got to sit back and watch and be like, this is what we're watching is incredible, and enjoy it as a sports watcher and not think about, you know, what could have been. It's just. He's on. He's a joy to watch play football.

PFT Commenter (49:07)

He's unreal. He's unreal. Yeah. The turnaround that they've had and the. The guys on defense, the. The second drive that the Lions had going in, they were up seven, three. And we forced a fumble, recovered it. I think if the Lions score that it might be a different game. And. But to come up with a big play at the right time between him, Jeremy Chin, Mikey Sanders, still, I love this guy. I love him so much. Got two picks. He played receiver at Michigan, too, not just cornerback. He is the best. And tough break with Sam Cosby, who was playing well, and then he got rolled up on. Probably our best offensive lineman. He's our only Pro bowl offensive lineman.

Big Cat (49:44)

He is.

PFT Commenter (49:44)

He's now out with an acl. That sucks. But we saw the emergence in the last couple weeks of Playoff Diami. So Diami Brown is absolutely. The story behind him is wild. So Grant Paulson tweeted out these stats. Diami Brown went four years in the NFL without catching five passes in a game.

Big Cat (50:04)

Geez.

PFT Commenter (50:05)

Not once over four seasons did he do it. In the last two games in the playoffs, five catches, 89 yards and a touchdown. Six catches, 98 yards. And this is going up against Amon Ross St. Brown, who is a great receiver. That talks about Diami. I think that was last year, being like, tell me how many catches this guy has.

Big Cat (50:22)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (50:23)

Like, I think he might have been drafted ahead of him. So that's one of the guys that he remembers on that list. But Playoff Diami is a different guy.

Big Cat (50:30)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (50:30)

And that. That drop in the bucket that Jaden had to him on that post route while he was blindfolded with the hand of the defender. Just absolutely incredible stuff.

Big Cat (50:40)

And Diami Brown, like, what you just. All the stats you just said, that really goes back to what I was saying with Jaden Daniel being special. And you know when you're watching a special quarterback, because he just elevates every single person.

PFT Commenter (50:52)

Yeah.

Big Cat (50:52)

Like, every single person plays better. The line blocks better, running backs run harder. Just everything looks better because of that guy. And I. I know that's oversimplifying it, but I truly believe it. That's why it's the most important position in all of American sports. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (51:08)

Like the culture and the GM and. And the head coach and the belief in yourself, like, none of that means it unless you have a special quarterback.

Big Cat (51:17)

Right.

PFT Commenter (51:17)

And that's a. That's the biggest part of the equation. But, yeah, I love Dan Quinn. I love Jaden Daniels, I love Terry McLaurin. I'm so happy for him every time he does something that. That stands out. Because it's like, this guy has been a great, great wide receiver for some really shitty quarterbacks. So it's fun seeing him and just saying the words, the Washington commanders are in the NFC Championship game.

Big Cat (51:36)

It's crazy.

PFT Commenter (51:37)

I feel like I died. I feel like I'm a dead person and this is the Sixth sense, or I'm in heaven. I mean, if I'm in heaven, cool.

Big Cat (51:45)

That.

PFT Commenter (51:46)

Right.

Big Cat (51:46)

That means we're there, too.

PFT Commenter (51:47)

So it's like, win, win. But, yeah, I feel like I'm dead and this is something that's not real. That's happening. I'd never, Never thought that this would happen this quickly. But, yeah, if you have a shitty owner, just all you have to do is protest for 20 years. Have him found culpable for sexual harassment via multiple investigations. Have him be investigated for cooking the books and stealing money from the other owners. And then maybe you up getting him out too.

Big Cat (52:13)

Because you agree with this statement. Because what I was saying was if the Bear like revisionist history. If the Bears had drafted Jaden Daniels, I think he would not have had this rookie year because he would have been on the Bears and we had Eberfluz as a coach and all this turmoil and all this. And offensive line, all that crap. Like, I just don't think it would have gone the same way just like that. If Dan Snyder still owns a team. You guys aren't in the nfc.

PFT Commenter (52:35)

None of this happens.

Big Cat (52:36)

No.

PFT Commenter (52:36)

If Dan Snyder owns a team, the, the. The field goal last week is missing by 40 yards.

Big Cat (52:42)

Circumstance and everything around the snap never.

PFT Commenter (52:44)

Even gets to the holder.

Big Cat (52:45)

Yeah. Matters so much.

PFT Commenter (52:46)

The Hail Mary would have never happened if it were Dan Snyder that owned the team. You don't get good luck on your side if you have a shitty owner.

Big Cat (52:52)

I'd say the one good thing.

PFT Commenter (52:53)

Do you think he watched the game?

Big Cat (52:54)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (52:54)

I was thinking I hope. I hope that he watched the game and I hope he's so pissed off. I hope you're. I hope you're just miserable right now, Dan, wherever you are. You.

Big Cat (53:03)

It's hard. It would be hard not to watch football.

PFT Commenter (53:06)

Yeah. Even if it's a team that you used to own.

Big Cat (53:08)

I also will one spin zone because obviously you know the Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, him. In my own personal hell, it does mask the fact that Dan Quinn also was a finalist for the Bears head coaching job. And they were like, nah. Eber flu.

PFT Commenter (53:22)

I think he was the last person hired.

Big Cat (53:24)

They flew him commercial.

PFT Commenter (53:25)

Yeah.

Big Cat (53:26)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (53:26)

He was the last coach hired.

Big Cat (53:27)

Commercial middle seat. So. And let that masks that whole thing.

PFT Commenter (53:31)

Let this also show for the record that in case you were somehow a. And you thought that me and Big Cat no ball. Dan Quinn was the last guy on my list. Yeah, I did doubt Dan quit. I. I wanted Ben Johnson last year.

Big Cat (53:44)

Hopefully that happens for me with Mike McCarthy.

PFT Commenter (53:46)

I wanted Ben Johnson last year and guess what happened? I didn't get Ben Johnson. I was upset. Instead, I got Dan Quinn. What does Dan Quinn do? He goes and he beats Ben Johnson.

Big Cat (53:56)

Playoffs and he gets Cliff Kingsbury. And that was so huge because Cliff Kingsbury has. Has done an incredible job of basically making sure that a rookie quarterback is in the perfect spot to succeed. Essentially everything that I said that was wrong in the off season. Just applied to Jaden Daniels.

PFT Commenter (54:13)

You know what's crazy is I'm a. That this game probably should have been 45 to 24 instead of 45 to 31. There was the. The phantom face mask penalty that they called. That was not a face mask. Extended that drive. That was on third down, third and long. They would have punted that ball away, and they ended up scoring a touchdown off it.

Big Cat (54:31)

Now, if we're gonna do what ifs, I have one question for you. The. That was a crazy hit on Jared Goff on the pick six.

PFT Commenter (54:38)

Yeah. But also.

Big Cat (54:39)

And he might have been concussed, but.

PFT Commenter (54:40)

Also Jared was kind of engaged with a different.

Big Cat (54:42)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (54:43)

Defender. And Luvu came in. It was a little bit high, but it was like.

Big Cat (54:46)

Yeah. I'm just saying it's crazy in the fact that quarterbacks don't, like, usually. That's a flag. Yeah, that's you, Max. No, that's a flag, Max.

Max (54:55)

Yes.

Big Cat (54:56)

Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. You agree with me.

PFT Commenter (54:58)

Wait, so what I'm saying is crazy. It might be a flag.

Big Cat (55:03)

I thought you were disagreeing. That was a crazy hit.

PFT Commenter (55:05)

It might be a flag. But also, Newton shoved him at the last second. So the. The target moves.

Big Cat (55:11)

I mean, he launched into him, and this is crazy. Jared Goff probably got. He. Listen, Jared Goff played a bad game. We love Jared. He's a friend of the show. Been a friend of the show since the beginning of this show. He had a bad game. He was careless with the ball. I. I wonder if he got concussed there, because he did go back to the locker room, and he got wrecked on this play.

PFT Commenter (55:32)

Yeah.

Big Cat (55:32)

And that is. Usually. That's flagged almost all the time. Like, when you hit a quarterback like that after a pick, that's. That's a flag. I mean, that's Mahomes. That's jail. If you do that to Mahomes.

PFT Commenter (55:42)

Yeah. Drop a bomb on you, what are.

Big Cat (55:45)

You gonna say, Max?

PFT Commenter (55:46)

Throw a grenade?

Max (55:46)

No, I mean, Memes told me to bring this up earlier because he was like, you have to.

Big Cat (55:49)

Oh, I was always gonna bring it up. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was. That. That. And I don't know if he got concussed or not. Like, he. He obviously threw that pick before that hit. So he was not playing great before that hit, but he didn't play great after either.

Max (56:02)

Yeah, No, I don't think it made a difference in the game.

Big Cat (56:04)

No, no.

Max (56:05)

The Lions were never winning that game. But that was like. That was a crazy.

Big Cat (56:09)

That Was a crazy hit. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (56:10)

So it's, I mean if they didn't.

Hank (56:11)

The, the, the trick play interception like that was, that was a 10 point game. If they scored a touchdown on that drive, they easily could have won the game.

Big Cat (56:19)

Where the Lions really lost the game. JMO lost the game game for them. And I, I like. It sucks because I like watching Jameson Williams play football and he's electric but. And he had that incredible run. But Jameson Williams lost this game for them in two different ways. And Jared Goff obviously deserves in the defense all that stuff which we can get to all the lion stuff. But I thought the Jameson William trick play where he threw the ball just don't like throw it out of bounds. I don't know, do something else. And then I actually thought in the, the end of the first half was where the Lions really like kind of lost the game because they're going down to score and Jared throws past the Jameson Williams in the end zone. That gets intercepted. And that was like maybe Jameson Williams being a younger receiver where a savvy vet, you slow down and let the cornerback make contact through you and you get a flag. Like he kind of, he wasn't strong enough on the ball there. And the cornerback made a great play and that was maybe, maybe the lions are down three going in the half and now they're down 10 and they don't get the ball.

PFT Commenter (57:20)

Yeah, I thought that was a great play. Sandra stroll on. That way he kind of undercut the route.

Big Cat (57:24)

Yeah. But he, he just wasn't strong enough to the ball. You know what I mean? Like he like a, A vet receiver is stronger to the ball there than Jameson Williams and then he kind of.

PFT Commenter (57:34)

Mentally checked out in the second half.

Big Cat (57:35)

Yeah. So. But we should talk about the Lions. That was about as devastating of a loss as you can have for a team. Now. I, I like you have a season that's a dream season in terms of records and 15 wins and number one seed for the first time in franchise history. But the defensive injuries and I know, listen, everyone gets injured. I saw the depth chart. Did you see that? That they, they basically. I'm gonna, I'm gonna look it up real quick. I think I bookmarked it the Lions because they lost a Meek Robertson in the first quarter of the game. And he's obviously a very important. Yeah. So here it is. So they had. By the end of this game they were out 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 week one starters on defense. And then 1, 2, 3, 4th, 5, 6, 7, 7 backups and what is that? Three, four of them were. They lost the starter and the backup. They had basically no one playing defense at the end of the game. So I, I do feel bad in that respect because that's just the shittiest, the shittiest luck with injuries on defense that you could possibly have.

PFT Commenter (58:51)

It's actually pretty remarkable that they got this far and they got the, they got the buy in the one suit. Like they did a great job. Aaron Glenn did a great job getting every single bit that they could have gotten out of the players that they had. By the time you're on like the third string at multiple positions, it's going to be tough no matter who is going to coach you up. But they, they did a good job this season and it just, it ran too thin.

Big Cat (59:14)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (59:14)

They just didn't have anybody back there.

Big Cat (59:15)

And, and now you have a Lions franchise that's kind of at a crossroads because you're going to lose your offensive coordinator, you're going to lose your defense quarter, most likely your defense quarter. Shafter already reported that Ben Johnson will take a head coaching job between the Raiders, the Jaguars of the Bears. And you just won 15 games. You come off an NFC championship appearance last year. You climbed back to the mountain. You could see it in Dan Campbell's post game press conference. He was crying. He was very emotional. He took all the blame again. I think it's when you look at like the blame pie for the Lions. Jared had a really bad game at the worst time and their defense couldn't withstand the amount of injuries they had. And Jayden Daniels is special. Our friend Detroit Don did hit me up. He said this was at midnight on Saturday night. He said, I'm staying off social media for a month. See, on the backside, me and Superfan are sick.

PFT Commenter (60:11)

Yeah.

Big Cat (60:12)

And you could see it. They were showing the, the Lions fans at the end of the game and it was just shock and disbelief and they, I mean, the first time in franchise history that they have. The path goes through Detroit and to have that happen where it wasn't, it wasn't a fluke, it wasn't like a crazy, you know, bounce off a helmet. It wasn't a Hail Mary, it was. The commanders were better.

PFT Commenter (60:35)

They had all the guys from Detroit. They had Calvin Johnson there, they had Barry Sanders, they had, they, they pulled out all the stops. It felt like this was going to be the Lion's ear if there was one. And Dan Campbell seemed to have the team just humming like they were. They were playing with the same intensity in that game against the Vikings that you saw out of week one out of the lines. It was a pretty incredible season for him. But you're not going to remember the incredible season. You're going to remember this is the team that. That should have gone farther.

Big Cat (61:02)

How quickly is the storyline going to be that, like, Dan Campbell pushes too hard and the practices are too hard and that's why they're injured so much?

PFT Commenter (61:11)

I actually think there will be a different story before that one.

Big Cat (61:13)

Okay.

PFT Commenter (61:14)

The story before that one will be, did Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn lose focus on this game because they were doing interviews going into this week?

Big Cat (61:23)

Yeah, Ben Johnson didn't have his best game, although the double shovel pass was awesome.

PFT Commenter (61:27)

That was a great play.

Big Cat (61:28)

That was an incredible play. But, yeah, the trick play to JMO was. It was baffling.

PFT Commenter (61:33)

And don't get me wrong, and they were just running. They didn't need it.

Big Cat (61:36)

And just run Jameer Gibbs like. Like, I know David Montgomery came back faster than anyone ever expected. Jameer Gibbs is such an insane talent, and the way he runs and how fast he is and his vision. Just run the whole game through. Jameer Gibbs in the first half, it.

PFT Commenter (61:52)

Was like he was averaging 15 yards a carry. Yeah, it was. It was crazy. The. The fact that they went away from him was nuts. The commanders also did get a little bit of luck on their side. They had, like you mentioned. Okay, there's a call that. That probably should have been made. There was also a route that Amon Ra just slipped on when he would have been wide open for a first down on an important drive. So, yeah, there's. There's luck.

Big Cat (62:12)

You can't. There's not that. That happens every game. There's a game of inches.

PFT Commenter (62:17)

There's breaks that you get. And. And fortunately, we got more breaks. And I think we were the better team.

Big Cat (62:22)

Yeah, you absolutely were. And Jay Daniels significantly outplayed Jared. Like, that's just a fact. You can't. You can't sugarcoat it or anything.

PFT Commenter (62:31)

I thought that there was a pretty interesting stat. This is the first time that a Josh Harris own team has gotten past the second round of the playoffs. Oh, isn't that interesting?

Hank (62:40)

Wow.

Big Cat (62:41)

Whoa.

Hank (62:41)

How many teams?

PFT Commenter (62:42)

Yeah, well, he owns the Devils, the New Jersey Devils, and then I believe he owns a basketball team. I think it's the Sixers.

Hank (62:49)

Oh, he's been doing that for a while, right?

PFT Commenter (62:51)

Yeah, he's had. Yeah.

Big Cat (62:52)

And they haven't gotten to the it.

PFT Commenter (62:53)

They haven't.

Max (62:54)

We're talking football here.

Big Cat (62:55)

No.

PFT Commenter (62:56)

But, yeah, Josh Harris Is the owner.

Big Cat (62:57)

Keep talking.

Max (62:58)

Keep talking. We'll see you next week.

PFT Commenter (63:00)

Washington Commanders.

Big Cat (63:00)

Oh, this is. I can't wait.

PFT Commenter (63:02)

He's the owner of the Washington.

Big Cat (63:03)

I don't want to talk Commander's Eagles until after we talk all the games. But then I wanted to.

Max (63:08)

No, I. I just want to remind you while he's talking, who he. Where he has to go next.

PFT Commenter (63:14)

Going to win the NBA championship.

Hank (63:15)

That was just a fact. Where was the.

Max (63:18)

I'm happy for Josh.

Hank (63:20)

Where was the talk.

PFT Commenter (63:21)

I'm a fan of Josh Harris and I'm happy that he's owning a team that's. That's living up to his ability as an owner.

Big Cat (63:28)

That was. No, that was just a stat. He just did a stat. Okay.

PFT Commenter (63:31)

And everything Jaden Daniels has done for the city, I'm so glad that he was able to help Josh out in that same way Josh is. He's a D.C. area guy.

Big Cat (63:39)

That was just a stat.

PFT Commenter (63:40)

Josh Harris, thank you for everything that you've done for the city.

Hank (63:43)

I'm happy for you. Pft.

PFT Commenter (63:44)

Get ready, Washington.

Hank (63:45)

Get ready for the longest week of your life, though.

PFT Commenter (63:47)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm. Listen, I'm taking today to celebrate. Just like we won a game today. I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to enjoy the victory. And then starting Monday, guess what?

Big Cat (63:57)

Back to work.

Max (63:57)

I'm not celebrating, for the record. Oh, I will be. I am doing zero celebrating.

PFT Commenter (64:02)

Back to work.

Big Cat (64:02)

Okay.

PFT Commenter (64:03)

Sometimes you gotta stop and smell the roses. And you're saying act like you've been there before. I have not been here before. I'm going to. I'm going to enjoy a day. I'm giving myself a day. And you're not gonna see me any more locked in. You better believe I'm doing a hype video again on Friday and it's gonna kick the. Out of the last one they did.

Big Cat (64:21)

He was. There was rumors it might be Freebird, which is like nine minutes long.

PFT Commenter (64:24)

Yeah, I'll have to talk to poor Quake. I. I haven't decided. I haven't made a final schedule.

Big Cat (64:30)

Quicks.

PFT Commenter (64:30)

I've not made a final show.

Big Cat (64:31)

Advisors. Yeah. Advisor's done. He's got the time.

PFT Commenter (64:33)

I haven't made a final choice on what song is gonna be the soundtrack, but Freebird is one of the names that's in the hat room right now.

Big Cat (64:38)

I'm. I'm happy for you too. Pft. I'm happy that I also made the decision to let go of. Just trying to fight it.

PFT Commenter (64:45)

Yeah.

Big Cat (64:46)

A month ago, I just had to do it because it's better for my mental health and because it was like one of those things where people would text me. I think I. I got in a fight with SVP on text about a month ago and I was like, what are you doing, dude? Like, Caleb, I. I still think it could be great, but he had a disaster. Like, the Bears were a disaster this year and Jaden Daniels is special. Just. Just let go. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (65:09)

And the way I look at it, I honestly don't care if you're upset or not. There are a lot, but I'm not. Yeah.

Big Cat (65:14)

Like, that's the thing. I know people could be like, oh, he's so upset. He mentions it. I literally have. Jay Daniels is so much fun to watch.

PFT Commenter (65:20)

Listen to me. I'm. I'm not. There are people that are also out there like, oh, you know that Big Cat's so mad you right now. I want to be perfectly clear. I'm. I'm enjoying this. The thought of whether Big Cat is enjoying my success does not ever enter my brain.

Big Cat (65:33)

Correct.

PFT Commenter (65:33)

I do not give a. About that. I'm going to love what's happening to my team because it's. It's a miracle. What I'm seeing from the Washington group, the. The commanders are in the NFC Championship game.

Big Cat (65:44)

I do think that the. I mean, we, you know, our words get dissected over a million times. I do think people have noticed that I have had a shift in general vibe just because it's. It's fun to watch Jaden Daniels play football. And I'm not going to rob myself of having fun watching someone play football. Just thinking about what. What could be. Because again, James would have sucked if he was on the Bears.

PFT Commenter (66:07)

Yeah.

Big Cat (66:08)

He just would have. And Caleb Williams would be here.

PFT Commenter (66:10)

I. I don't know about that. I wouldn't go far.

Big Cat (66:12)

I don't know.

PFT Commenter (66:13)

I had Jaden number one on my big board. Glad that we got our top guy. We had him tagged as a commander going into the draft. We only gave out three commanders tags and he got one of them. So I had him number one.

Big Cat (66:23)

By the way, the NFC north most regular season wins, 45 with zero playoffs wins.

PFT Commenter (66:30)

The NFC beast is back.

Big Cat (66:32)

Bears had just as many playoff wins as the rest of the division.

PFT Commenter (66:35)

Yep. That's a fact.

Big Cat (66:36)

So tied for the most WINS In. In 2025, one to one with the Lions.

PFT Commenter (66:42)

Yep. Who do you think had a worse time watching this weekend? Slate Cowboys fans. Because you've got their former defensive coordinator, Dan Quinn. And then you've got their Former offensive coordinator Kellen Moore winning. Also, Jane Daniels just tied Dak Prescott for most career playoff wins. I guess Dak. Jaden Daniels now has as many career playoff wins as Dan Snyder, too, which is pretty cool. Do you think they had a worse time or Giants fans watching? Saquon.

Big Cat (67:13)

Alliance fans.

PFT Commenter (67:15)

Lions fans?

Big Cat (67:16)

Yeah, I'm not, I don't feel bad for Lions fans because they're in the division and they, We've talked a lot of. I do feel bad for Detroit. Don and super fan. Yeah, those two guys specifically. I, I, I feel bad for Lions.

Hank (67:28)

I feel bad for Lions fans. Tortured fan bases will always have a soft spot in my heart. And I, I feel bad.

Big Cat (67:34)

I feel bad for Sprinkles.

PFT Commenter (67:35)

I don't feel bad that we won the game, but I, I feel for Lions fans and I feel bad.

Hank (67:40)

When you have a season like that and you have the by week. I know you're not even thinking about the divisional round. Yeah, that's what, that's what, like, you. They got hit in the mouth and they didn't realize it till, like, probably halfway through the third quarter.

Big Cat (67:50)

They're de. It's just, they're like, Defense was just so, so broken. They had no, no names. They had guys who, like, didn't practice, who just showed up and had to play in a divisional round playoff game.

PFT Commenter (68:03)

So the top seeds are now 12 and eight in their first playoff games in the divisional round. So getting the buy doesn't. It's not that great.

Big Cat (68:10)

No, no.

Max (68:11)

I gotta say it.

Big Cat (68:13)

Say it.

Max (68:13)

I gotta say it.

Big Cat (68:14)

Say it.

Max (68:15)

We love Dan Campbell. We can't. We can't say. We can't keep saying the winner thing. We can't.

Big Cat (68:19)

I didn't say winner. When did I say winner? But when did I say it? Now. Did I say we haven't. But, But I didn't say it. Did I say it?

Hank (68:26)

He had to say it.

Max (68:27)

I had to say it.

Big Cat (68:28)

But, I mean, we didn't.

Max (68:29)

We've had this back and forth for the past. For the past.

Big Cat (68:32)

Yeah. I mean, he, he was a winner this year, but he was. He.

PFT Commenter (68:35)

I.

Big Cat (68:35)

He's not winner for this game. The team wasn't ready.

Max (68:38)

Correct. Yeah, I know. We. I. That's all. That's all we have to say. I had to address it.

PFT Commenter (68:43)

What do we say? That Dan Campbell is a winner.

Big Cat (68:44)

Winner.

PFT Commenter (68:45)

Do we say that a lot?

Max (68:46)

Well, I had the. I had the argument that you can't keep calling him a winner until he wins in the playoffs.

Big Cat (68:50)

Well, he did go to the NFC championship game. Last year. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (68:53)

And.

Max (68:54)

Yeah. Correct.

PFT Commenter (68:55)

And during the season he was winning a lot of football games.

Max (68:57)

Correct. But that doesn't make someone a winner winning regular season.

Big Cat (69:02)

We didn't call him a winner for like, imagine if we had started this and been like, all right, pft. Hold on a second.

Max (69:07)

But you've said it.

Big Cat (69:08)

I know you want to talk about the commanders being the NFC Championship game, but I'd first like to say Dan Campbell's a winner.

PFT Commenter (69:12)

I also don't think that we've had long, extended conversations about what a winner.

Big Cat (69:16)

Where he was like, you can't say he's a winner until he wins in the playoffs. I think he. I still.

Max (69:21)

I think he's. I still think Dan Campbell is a very good coach, but that's something that we talked about. And he's got to win in the playoffs.

Big Cat (69:28)

I think grading it on a curve. I think grading it on a curve. Dan Campbell's a winner because he changed the complete culture of the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions.

Max (69:35)

That's fair.

Big Cat (69:36)

That's a fair point. Higher culture and performance of the Detroit Lions, a franchise that just, just there's there besides the Cleveland Browns. They're the. Like, you'd never say winning in the Detroit Lions. And he made that a real thing. That happened the last couple of years. He's not a winner today. They lost. He wasn't ready.

PFT Commenter (69:57)

How many playoff games would he need to win to be become a winner in your eyes?

Max (70:01)

Super Bowl. Okay, that's what I said.

Big Cat (70:03)

Okay.

Max (70:03)

That's what I said the first time.

Big Cat (70:04)

I'm happy you addressed that because I was worried.

PFT Commenter (70:06)

There's a lot of people.

Big Cat (70:07)

I mean, I was worried someone was going to be like, hey, why didn't they talk about Dan Campbell?

Max (70:12)

Well, we're gonna. We're gonna. Whatever.

PFT Commenter (70:14)

Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell did not have his team ready to play.

Max (70:17)

Yeah, that's. Yeah, people are. You know, there was a lot of. There was a lot of blame. A lot of blame to Ben Johnson. A lot of blame. The.

Big Cat (70:25)

I said that Dan Campbell. I. I'm pretty sure I said that. If I didn't, I'm sorry. Dan Campbell got out. Coached.

Max (70:32)

Okay, that.

Big Cat (70:33)

Hank, are you happy he said that? He had to say it.

Max (70:37)

I had to say it. I had to say it.

PFT Commenter (70:39)

National sports podcast.

Max (70:41)

I think. I do think Dan Campbell's a very good coach, but I wanted to. I don't know. He didn't have his guys ready to play.

Big Cat (70:48)

I do think that anyone who, who makes The Lions a 15 win team by nature is a Winner.

PFT Commenter (70:57)

Yeah, that's a pretty tough thing.

Big Cat (70:58)

Like that's almost impossible.

PFT Commenter (70:59)

Getting a buy top seed.

Big Cat (71:01)

I mean, the most wins in franchise history.

PFT Commenter (71:03)

That's crazy. Crazy. Okay, so let me ask you, are you, if you're a Lions fan or has the thought entered your head at all, like maybe Dan Campbell's the problem?

Big Cat (71:12)

Should we fire.

Max (71:18)

On the show when I said that you can't call him a winner until he wins in the playoffs.

Hank (71:21)

He has won in the playoffs.

Big Cat (71:23)

He has. He went to the championship game.

Max (71:25)

But ever. That doesn't make you a winner. Winning a playoff game does not make.

Hank (71:29)

You until he wins in the playoffs. But he, he, he has won it.

Max (71:32)

He hasn't won a Super Bowl.

Hank (71:34)

Okay, well, a lot of coaches haven't won.

Big Cat (71:35)

Yeah, that's true. I should. Lions fans think about Dan Campbell being fired?

Max (71:40)

No, that's not what I'm saying.

Big Cat (71:42)

That is not a winner. And you need a winner to win.

PFT Commenter (71:44)

That's true.

Max (71:45)

I'm not even saying that he's not a winner. I'll tell you what, I'm not even saying that he's not a winner. All I'm saying is that you literally.

Big Cat (71:50)

Said it has to be said.

Max (71:51)

No, but it has to be. Yes, it has to be said because we had this.

Hank (71:54)

So you are saying it.

Max (71:55)

No, I'm not saying that He's. I'm. I'm just not giving him the label of Dan Campbell winner.

Hank (72:01)

So that would imply Campbell loser either. So what is he.

Max (72:06)

He's just not. He's just a queen.

Big Cat (72:07)

He's just. He's a good coach.

Hank (72:09)

He's a good coach, but not a winner.

Max (72:12)

He's not. Not labeled winner.

Big Cat (72:14)

Is Jaden Daniels a winner?

Max (72:17)

Yeah. I mean, we haven't seen him. We haven't seen him lose.

Big Cat (72:20)

Yeah, but he hasn't won a super. He hasn't won losing the playoffs. He hasn't won a Super Bowl.

PFT Commenter (72:24)

So Andy Reid was not a winner until he went to Kansas City.

Max (72:27)

City.

Big Cat (72:28)

Yeah.

Max (72:28)

That was literally the, the big thing of Andy.

Big Cat (72:31)

But Jaden Daniels is not that worse.

Max (72:33)

That was. That actually made my argument perfect.

Big Cat (72:37)

Yeah, that. That hurt. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson not winners.

Max (72:40)

Correct.

Big Cat (72:41)

Jane Daniel's not a winner.

PFT Commenter (72:42)

Not yet.

Max (72:43)

I don't know why all of us.

PFT Commenter (72:45)

I'm asking. But he might turn. He might turn into a loser next week.

Big Cat (72:49)

Correct.

PFT Commenter (72:50)

We never know.

Max (72:51)

I'm.

PFT Commenter (72:51)

It happens that fast.

Max (72:53)

I mean, I, We. This is just a different discourse for different people.

Hank (72:58)

So happy you brought this up.

Big Cat (73:00)

I want someone to tweet and be like, I Was waiting for Max to say that.

PFT Commenter (73:04)

Max, does this have anything to do.

Max (73:07)

Memes was back here with me.

Big Cat (73:08)

Speak up.

PFT Commenter (73:11)

Does this have anything to do with.

Big Cat (73:12)

The fact that I told him to take notes and then bring it up in the Eagles?

PFT Commenter (73:15)

Does this have anything to do with the fact that we give credit to Dan Campbell for going forward on fourth downs?

Max (73:20)

Well, yes, That's. This is basically.

PFT Commenter (73:21)

This is exactly what it is called.

Max (73:24)

Nick Sirianni a loser. Campbell a winner.

Big Cat (73:26)

But you gave us the right to call Nick Sirianni a loser by calling him a loser.

Max (73:33)

Fair. But now I don't think so.

Big Cat (73:36)

But he's not won a Super Bowl.

Max (73:39)

True.

Big Cat (73:41)

He's still not a winner.

Max (73:42)

He's in the middle. He's in the middle category.

Big Cat (73:44)

He's coach.

Max (73:45)

He's good coach. Both. Both in the same category of.

Big Cat (73:48)

I had. I wrote down praise for Nick Sirianni. It's coming, but I will get to it. You shouldn't have jumped the gun. I had praise.

Max (73:53)

I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said anything.

Big Cat (73:56)

I shouldn't have said. I liked it. I liked it. Fired up.

PFT Commenter (74:00)

I like it. Max.

Max (74:01)

We shouldn't have said anything.

Big Cat (74:02)

I like say Dan Campbell's still a winner.

PFT Commenter (74:05)

Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that.

Big Cat (74:07)

Bad game. He's a bad game. What team wasn't ready? They got punched in the mouth. They were. They're supposed to be the tougher team that, you know, punches other teams in the mouth. Biting kneecaps, all that. That was a bad. Like, he just. They weren't ready and. Yeah, but he is a winner.

Max (74:26)

This is what Memes really wants to talk about is PFT the floor.

Big Cat (74:29)

He was doing the jm.

PFT Commenter (74:29)

I did the jmo.

Max (74:30)

Yeah, I know. That was great.

Big Cat (74:31)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (74:31)

Jameson Williams caught the touchdown. The carpet didn't get a flag for it. He was having sex with the ground at Ford Field. So first thing I thought about was, yeah, that carpet.

Big Cat (74:41)

Also very funny because PFT was wearing an outrageous. For the Outsiders and outrageous jumpsuit. Washington commander's jumpsuit. And Coach Guden even said to me, he's like, can you believe what this guy's wearing today? And I had to, like, look and be like, oh, yeah. I guess for. For you, that would be weird. I was like, that's. I didn't flinch when P. PFT walked in with that.

PFT Commenter (75:03)

Number one, it's jumpsuit January. Number two, that's a commander's jumpsuit.

Big Cat (75:06)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (75:07)

Number three, I've worn that Jumpsuit before.

Big Cat (75:09)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (75:09)

So I've broken it in a little bit, but yeah. I mean, it's the playoffs. You have to pull out all the stops for the playoffs.

Big Cat (75:14)

There's really nothing. Besides, if you walked in with, like, tuxedo.

PFT Commenter (75:19)

Yeah.

Big Cat (75:19)

That. I would be shocked if I wear a collared shirt.

PFT Commenter (75:22)

People are like, you have court later, don't you?

Big Cat (75:23)

Yeah. I'm like, who died?

Max (75:25)

That was the most average PFT outfit.

PFT Commenter (75:27)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Max (75:28)

Anyone was saying anything.

Big Cat (75:30)

Gruden doesn't know, so he was like, can you believe this? I was like, yeah, no, I can. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And.

PFT Commenter (75:37)

And Gruden, he hates the Commanders. I probably would hate the Commanders if I were him too.

Big Cat (75:40)

Yes.

PFT Commenter (75:41)

But I converted him, like, halfway through the second quarter. He's like, I can't root against this guy anymore.

Big Cat (75:46)

That's what I'm saying. Jaden, if you are root against, obviously if you're an Eagles fan, but if you're a neutral party, it's way more fun. Especially if you're neutral party and you're, you know, a Bears fan who has Caleb Williams like myself. If you're neutral party, though, it's a lot more fun to just let go and be like, he's awesome to watch. Because he is. He's awesome to watch, and that was a very fun game.

PFT Commenter (76:11)

I would say even probably like, 50% of Eagles fans are kind of rooting for Jayne Daniels this weekend because he's that fun to watch. And they're.

Big Cat (76:17)

I'd say that's probably true.

PFT Commenter (76:19)

City known for their sportsmanship.

Big Cat (76:20)

Yeah. Yeah. I'd say most Eagles fans are like, damn, he's so much fun to watch.

PFT Commenter (76:24)

They'd probably be a little bit happy if they lost the game. They'd be like, you know what? I. I want to see that guy playing the Super Bowl.

Max (76:30)

That is incorrect. I will say, no, no, no notes for Jaden Daniels this week. He was incredible.

PFT Commenter (76:35)

He's really good.

Max (76:37)

And the Eagles better win now because I'm scared that that guy's gonna. That I'm officially scared that he is around for, like, the rest of my life. Yeah, he's that good.

PFT Commenter (76:45)

Yeah.

Max (76:46)

Max, I. I hope you live my life expectancy.

Big Cat (76:49)

I hope you live more than 45. Five now.

PFT Commenter (76:51)

Jane's gonna be here for, like, 50 years. Nothing's ever gonna be bad again.

Big Cat (76:54)

Let's. Let's go to the Sunday games. Before we do that, we're gonna take a quick break for some ads.

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Big Cat (78:53)

Okay, Max. Eagles 28, Rams 22. Saquon Barkley. That's it. Saquon Barkley. I mean obviously the Eagles defense as well, which I want to talk about, but Saquon Barkley is so fucking good. Saquon Barkley had. That was his sixth touchdown of 60 plus yards. Four of the six have come against the Rams. He had five. So 534 total yards is the most a player's ever had against another opponent in a season. And he only played the Rams twice. Think about that. He only played him twice. He had 534 total yards of scrimmage. From scrimmage. He. The. The. The run in the first half. The run to end the game. He is so goddamn good. And Max, did you see that clip? Which was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Before the 78 yard touchdown, he turned to Jalen Hertz. They did a mouth reading. He said, watch this. He just knew what was going to happen. And he ripped off 78 yard run. And the Eagles are back in the NFC championship game. Nick Sirianni, really good coach. Winner. Nick Sirianni is now three and over Sean McVeigh. Nick Sirianni is eight. No. Versus Sean McVeigh, Matt LaFleur and Dan Campbell. That's pretty good.

PFT Commenter (80:14)

It's a winner.

Big Cat (80:14)

Those are three coaches that everyone's, you know, like, hey, coach of the years and everything. Super bowl coach. And Sean McVeigh, he's eight. No. Against those guys. That's a winner.

Max (80:24)

I may jump the gun a little bit here.

Big Cat (80:25)

Why?

Max (80:26)

The whole. I mean.

Big Cat (80:27)

Yeah, you didn't know I had. Yeah.

Max (80:29)

I may have jumped again.

Big Cat (80:30)

I was gonna be praising Nick Sirianni.

Max (80:32)

I may have jumped the gun a little bit here. That's fair. That's fair. Sometimes you gotta.

Big Cat (80:37)

I had Dan Campbell in the stat.

Max (80:39)

That's. Yep. That's on me. That's on me. Sometimes I get a little excited.

Big Cat (80:44)

Oh, that's fair.

Max (80:45)

Well, it's more so.

Big Cat (80:46)

Whatever. It had to get to it.

PFT Commenter (80:49)

And to be fair, he's beaten a bunch of losers.

Big Cat (80:51)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (80:51)

So.

Big Cat (80:51)

But it had to be said.

Max (80:52)

But, yeah, that's on me.

Big Cat (80:54)

Those three coaches, you would say, if you're like, hey, who are the top three coaches in the nfc? I mean, maybe throw in Kyle Shanahan as well. But those are three names that come up. And Nick Sirianni has not lost to any of those guys. He's eight. No. And the Eagles. Jalen hurts. Gets hurt. I don't know what his status is. Max, can you tell us. Also, shout out Mother Nature because she showed up at the perfect time.

PFT Commenter (81:19)

Got a great snow game.

Max (81:20)

Yeah.

Big Cat (81:20)

Kurt Warner was sick.

PFT Commenter (81:22)

I love it. I love it when playoff games are half. Not in the snow and then the second half in the snow.

Hank (81:27)

Yeah, Gruden kind of was. We were watching the game with Gruden, and he kind of had the same take as Kurt Warner.

Big Cat (81:32)

Really? Yeah. He's like, wait, play Kurt Warner's take. Cause he. He. He still fights this all the time. This is from our show, what everybody says it's football weather. This is what it is. But here's the problem that I have, and it doesn't necessarily apply to these two teams, but being a guy that played in a dome, being a guy that played in Arizona, I have no way to get ready for those conditions. And so you can say all you want about home field advantage, and that's why you play well. No, because the Patriots can come to Arizona and there's no difference other than we have our fans, obviously, but they can play in my weather. I can't play in their weather because I can't get used to it. There's nothing you can do to get used to cold weather in a situation. So to me, I'm just like, I want the best. I want to be able to be my best. I want to play against their best, and I want the best to advance. And so for me, last night, I mean, I played in that weather before. I grew up in Iowa, so I played in all that stuff. I feel, you know, it's just like basketball. I'm sure when he kicked it, oh, that's money. That's right down the middle. He's just like, it's not fair.

PFT Commenter (82:44)

I think it's a fair point to say. Say, I can't simulate practicing in the snow, of course, but this is also.

Big Cat (82:50)

Get home field advantage.

PFT Commenter (82:51)

This is what? Yeah. Get number one, win more games. Number two, I don't really give a. Because I love watching snow football on tv. It's one of the weird things. Like, the NFL is a weird sport. You have to be able to respond to different things that you don't expect happening, and you have to be able to deal with.

Big Cat (83:07)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (83:08)

And just as a fan, watching on tv, do not take away my snow games. Yeah, I love watching snow football because you think back to when you were a kid and you're like, oh, I would be so good out in the snow. I was unstoppable in my backyard when it snowed outside. I don't give a. That Kurt Warner thinks it's unfair. I think it's the best thing.

Big Cat (83:24)

And the snow up the Rams, because it was. I mean, they fumbled. The Eagles didn't fumble.

PFT Commenter (83:30)

Matt Stafford looked like he didn't want to be out there for the entire third quarter.

Big Cat (83:34)

Yeah, they did. By the way, the Eagles also didn't really love playing on it. Did you see Josh Sweatz? Yeah. Yeah. Quote, after he Said ass. Playing on the snow today. That's what he said. Ass. He said, I'd rather play on the shitty Brazil field before playing on that again. I ain't gonna lie to you. I like that quote.

PFT Commenter (83:50)

Yeah, it's ass. I'm. I'm fine with the players thinking that it's ass.

Big Cat (83:53)

Yeah. But this was. This game was very tight at the end, but the Eagles, they did the thing that they are built around. Their offensive line mauled. Saquon Barkley was special, and their defense was incredible.

PFT Commenter (84:09)

Jalen Carter.

Big Cat (84:10)

Jalen Carter was insane.

PFT Commenter (84:12)

The guy scares me.

Big Cat (84:13)

He was so good. He had five tackles, five pressures, three QB hits, two sacks, two fumbles or two, Two. One force fumble and two tackles for a loss. And he made the biggest put like the. Vic Fangio is obviously deserves a lot of credit as well, because what he was doing in that game, when I think it was around the second quarter, they started stunting and you could see Stafford was like, it was Stafford up because he tried to step up, up and there'd be a guy in his face. And then on that, that second. What was it? 3rd and 2, 3rd and 2 on the 13 yard line with a minute and change left. They faked a stunt. And that's where Jalen Carter just basically blew right by his guy because he tried to pass him off. And that was the game. Like, that sack saved the Eagles season. Because I do think if you even watch that play, Tyler Higby was wide open. Open. He had beaten his guy. Tyler Higby was going to catch that ball, maybe even score on that play. And Jaylen Carter made the play and saved their season.

PFT Commenter (85:12)

Yeah, they got dudes up front that will just wreck your. Constantly. Yeah, I. They. The defensive line scares me on the Eagles very much. And then when they're not getting cute, when they decide, okay, we're just going to hand the ball to Saquon because he's the best, and we're going to let our offensive line do what our offensive line does the best. Then there's. They're almost impossible to stop. I don't know how you slow him down.

Big Cat (85:32)

Yeah.

Hank (85:33)

Have you let go of Jalen Carter, too?

Big Cat (85:35)

That one's totally different because you can't say the Bears don't address offensive line and be like, we should have taken Jalen Carter. But then we also took Darnell Wright in that position, who's a really good offensive lineman, and then got Dexter as well in the second round, who's a really good. He's not Jalen Carter. But you can't criticize the Bears for not, like, being like, why didn't you dress offensive line? Also, why didn't you take Jalen Carter? He's a really good offensive lineman. You can't have it both ways.

Hank (86:04)

When you're watching it, you're not like, fuck, I.

Big Cat (86:07)

Honestly, Dexter's really awesome. And I said it at the time. Jalen Carter would have been drafted to a locker room that was in complete flux, and he had some character issues. And I don't think it would have worked the same. He went to a locker room with Brandon Graham and a bunch of veterans who probably.

Max (86:22)

Fletcher Cox.

Big Cat (86:23)

Fletcher Cox, who probably helped him a lot. You gotta know, like, hey, we have a rebuilding team that sucks ass. If we draft Jalen Carter, it might not work out.

PFT Commenter (86:32)

You could probably also make a criticism for every other team that picked that did not take Jalen.

Big Cat (86:36)

Yeah. There's eight picks before C.J.

PFT Commenter (86:37)

Stroud or who else got drafted before him?

Big Cat (86:39)

I don't know. But either way, you. You got Darnell Wright, who's a really good offensive. He's our best offensive lineman. So you can't. You know what I mean? You can't be like, man, they don't do anything for the offensive line. Oh, yeah, he should have taken Jalen Carter.

PFT Commenter (86:51)

So let's see here. We got the draft order, but yeah.

Big Cat (86:55)

I mean, that's also like, the Bears history is like, oh, that guy could have been okay.

PFT Commenter (86:59)

Bryce Young, C.J. stroud, Will Anderson, Great players. Anthony Richardson.

Big Cat (87:03)

Cardinals could have used them.

PFT Commenter (87:05)

Witherspoon.

Big Cat (87:06)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (87:06)

Paris Johnson. Yeah. Tyree Wilson. Yep.

Big Cat (87:10)

That's probably the one. That's really. If you're a Raiders fan, that should have been Jalen Carter. But yeah, I mean, Jameer Gibbs went 12th. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (87:21)

And people on that pick.

Big Cat (87:22)

Yeah. By the way, Saquon Barkley is. Wouldn't be a top 30 paid wide receiver.

PFT Commenter (87:30)

That's crazy to say Gabe Davis gets.

Big Cat (87:32)

Paid more than him.

PFT Commenter (87:33)

It's also. I think it's fair to say that the better your team is, the more you should spend on running back.

Big Cat (87:38)

Yeah. Of course.

PFT Commenter (87:39)

As like, the final piece to make you like, a great team. It's like a tight pair of jeans. Like the.

Big Cat (87:43)

It.

PFT Commenter (87:44)

If you're in really good shape, then, yes, spend a lot of money on tight, fashionable jeans. If you're fat, buy, buy Jenkos.

Big Cat (87:51)

It's why I have some sympathy for Giants fans who have to fight this fight. And yes, you probably should have kept Saquon Barkley. Probably shouldn't have paid Daniel Jones Hindsight 20 20. Although a lot of Giants fans said that in the moment. But Saquon Barkley on the Giants this year doesn't make the Giants a playoff team. It makes it more fun to watch. They probably win a couple more games because he's their most explosive player. But you're right. Like you, Saquon Barkley works when he, when it's on a great team and then he becomes the complete X factor that can dominate these type of playoffs.

PFT Commenter (88:26)

Like Derek Henry.

Big Cat (88:26)

Yeah. Right.

PFT Commenter (88:28)

If the Cowboys had signed Derrick Henry. Who gives a shit?

Big Cat (88:31)

Right. But yeah, Derek Henry's on the Panthers. Not the Panthers deserve credit. It the Derek Henry's on the Raiders.

PFT Commenter (88:39)

Yeah.

Big Cat (88:40)

Doesn't change anything. Max, let's hear from you.

Max (88:45)

It was a hard fought game. Snow games are tough. We're kind of built for. The offensive line was fantastic. Those two long touchdown runs. Yes. Acorn burst through the line and was, you know, once he gets through, he's gone. But they're huge holes and those huge holes are from the offensive line just dominating the trench. I'm happy with the win, but we're on the next week.

Big Cat (89:10)

We're.

Max (89:11)

The goal is to win a Super Bowl. The goal is to win a Super bowl in Philadelphia. And I'm happy with this, taking this step.

PFT Commenter (89:18)

That's very good.

Big Cat (89:19)

Can I give you.

Hank (89:19)

And you get a home game?

Big Cat (89:20)

Yeah, you get a home game.

Max (89:21)

We get a home game.

Big Cat (89:22)

Can I give you two stats max, that might be of use for you in terms of online discourse?

Max (89:31)

Sure.

Big Cat (89:31)

Okay, here's the first one. The Eagles in the playoffs are four. And oh, when Jake Elliott misses an extra point.

Max (89:41)

That's crazy. That's.

Big Cat (89:45)

Maybe he's missing him on purpose.

Max (89:46)

I'm so, I'm so nervous about him. He is nerve wracking so bad right now.

Big Cat (89:51)

He's nerve wracking. Here's another one. Jalen hurts didn't really. I mean the weather was a big factor. Didn't. He also was banged. Yep. Jalen hurts in his four playoff wins. 154 yards passing. 121 yards passing. 131 yards passing. 128 yards passing. Doesn't matter.

PFT Commenter (90:13)

Is that because they're running the football?

Big Cat (90:15)

Yeah. But he also doesn't say. I know. I'm saying like, don't. I'm giving you these stats.

Max (90:20)

Right? Yeah, yeah. No, I, he doesn't have to be.

Big Cat (90:24)

You know, he had the incredible Super Bowl. They lost.

Max (90:26)

Yep. No, I, I, These are good stats. I agree.

Big Cat (90:30)

Maybe Jake Elliott might. That One might be a little more precarious, but. Yeah. Yeah. But it's still four. No.

Max (90:35)

Right. No. I had the one stat. I, Jake Elliott, I was a new winner.

Big Cat (90:40)

Jake Elliott's a winner.

PFT Commenter (90:41)

He wins games.

Max (90:43)

I wish. The reason why I said it is because Eagles fans are so pissed off at Nick Sirianni right now because for what?

Big Cat (90:52)

What?

Max (90:52)

For the pass. The pass play on second down when they had the ball that he. Where Herz took the sack.

Big Cat (90:57)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (90:57)

But on the sliding scale of things that you should be upset with Nick Sirianni for, I think, like, Philly fans are going to be upset about something.

Max (91:03)

Right.

Big Cat (91:04)

That was a bad play call. It was. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (91:05)

Yeah, it was a bad play call. But ultimately, I think Sirianni, he did the right thing also.

Big Cat (91:10)

That's Kellen Moore. No.

Max (91:11)

So that, yeah, that I had this whole thing in my head that you were, that that was going to be a topic of conversation and you were going to blame Sirianni. I, I, I jumped the gun. Sometimes you jump the.

Big Cat (91:24)

In the moment.

PFT Commenter (91:25)

We said, why are you taking quarterback that can't run right now? Rolling him out to his left and having him try to escape the pocket and then stop, throw across his body. And then we said, that's a weird play call. That's on Kellen Moore, isn't it? We were like, yeah, it is.

Big Cat (91:38)

This is the most Max thing ever. That he had a pre fight.

Max (91:41)

Yeah.

Big Cat (91:41)

With us. A hypothetical pre fight.

PFT Commenter (91:44)

Wait, you want to just. Let's, let's, let's run it back and play into his fantasy.

Big Cat (91:47)

Yeah, but he, but he had a, he had a hypothetical pre fight fight. And, and never in the, like, wildest imaginations realized that I actually wrote down pro Nick Sirianni stuff instead of negative Nick. We're so in his head that he's thinking, is the Mad Men mean, like, we're not even thinking about you, dude.

Max (92:06)

Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's bad.

Big Cat (92:08)

We're just talking about the games.

Max (92:09)

I wish I could, I wish I could rewind time and, and not have.

Hank (92:13)

That fight that I had instead of enjoying the win. You're just paranoid. Like, at least PFT is giving himself a day to, like, enjoy the win.

PFT Commenter (92:19)

Why you need to give yourself a mental day.

Max (92:21)

I gave myself an hour.

Big Cat (92:22)

We've actually caused psychological harm to you.

Max (92:25)

Yes.

Big Cat (92:26)

Like, we, we. I, I will take hand up. Everyone in this room should put their hand up. Put your hand up. We have battered.

Max (92:34)

Just said, what did I do?

Big Cat (92:35)

We have battered this man to the.

Max (92:38)

Memes that are about me.

PFT Commenter (92:39)

The amount of Max Face Photoshops that he's done.

Big Cat (92:42)

We have battered this man where he is literally fighting his shadow. Yeah.

Max (92:47)

No, I'm a. I'm a broken man. And that's the other thing. Like, I. I think.

Hank (92:51)

Dan, do you talk to yourself in the shower?

PFT Commenter (92:54)

You're still fighting yourself.

Max (92:55)

I know. I think Dan Camp was a good coach. I wish I didn't. I wish I didn't make that fight.

Hank (92:59)

It had to be said, though.

Big Cat (93:00)

No, I'm actually. I'm so happy you did that because of this moment right here where we just get. We just fully went into Max's mind, and Max's mind is just like. It's Max larger man, with his hair up in a ninja thing. He's got a kimono on, and he's got maybe the Donatello stick. What is that called?

PFT Commenter (93:24)

The Kinja stick.

Big Cat (93:25)

Yeah, whatever. The Kinja stick.

PFT Commenter (93:26)

Yeah.

Big Cat (93:26)

And he's just Kinja sticking all four of us in his brain constantly. We're. He's like, oh, I got to get them this, this, this, and we're. I didn't even think I was in your brain, but I guess I had him.

Max (93:39)

Yeah.

Big Cat (93:40)

I need a graphic of that. You can just sticking like, the four of us.

PFT Commenter (93:43)

I don't know if it's called inside of your brain. Let's see what it's called.

Max (93:45)

You want to know? Know another secret?

Big Cat (93:47)

Yeah.

Max (93:49)

I had another fight planned in my head as well.

Big Cat (93:51)

Oh, tell us.

Max (93:53)

I was going to do blind. Blind quarterback resumes for the day and then do Josh Allen stats. And Jalen Hurts's stats never was. Never.

Big Cat (94:01)

I had a positive Jalen Hurts.

Max (94:03)

I know, I know.

Big Cat (94:03)

I mean, his touchdown run was awesome.

Max (94:05)

I know. I know.

Big Cat (94:06)

And he got banged up like it was clear that he was. And A.J. brown dropped an easy, easy ball. That would have made his stats look a little bit different.

PFT Commenter (94:14)

He was a tough dude today.

Big Cat (94:15)

He.

Max (94:16)

I thought he made.

Big Cat (94:17)

He made that one throw to double coverage. J.J. brown was bad in the end zone. That was a bad throw. That was a bad decision. But otherwise, he played. He played winning football like he made the plays that he had to play, and he knows that he's got a running back that can do everything. Do you want to do that fight with him?

Max (94:33)

Well, no, thank you. I would prefer for my mentals.

PFT Commenter (94:35)

My. My next thing was just. I thought the Eagles. I thought they executed well today. Sirani's play calling at times left me.

Big Cat (94:42)

With a big question mark on offense and defense.

PFT Commenter (94:45)

Offense and defense.

Big Cat (94:45)

Yeah. He pointed to pre. Sirianni went in prevent defense way too early.

PFT Commenter (94:49)

You've got Saquan Barkley as your running back, Nick.

Big Cat (94:52)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (94:52)

And on second down, when you had the opportunity to ice the game, burn the clock, you're having your injured quarterback back roll out to his left, throw across his body. What the. Are you. What kind of play call was that?

Big Cat (95:05)

Oh, let me guess. Nick, did you. After Saquon Barkley ran a 74 yard touchdown pass, did you look into the camera and point at it? So sick. Dude.

PFT Commenter (95:13)

I bet he did. That was just. I. It was what goes on in this guy's brain. Sometimes it makes me question he's got for brains. Yeah.

Big Cat (95:20)

He's gonna be there undoing dumbass thoughts.

Max (95:23)

I would like to pass on this discourse.

PFT Commenter (95:26)

Hank, do you have anything to add?

Max (95:29)

It had to be said.

Big Cat (95:30)

I just had all. I want you to come and look at my notes after this just so you can see that I literally had it all written down. Yeah.

Max (95:36)

No, no, that's the.

Big Cat (95:38)

Jalen hurts. Like people are going to shit on Jalen hurts. I don't. He does what he's supposed to do. And yeah, there'll be moments where he has to make some more throws, but he was clearly hampered by both snow and injury. Is he going to be okay?

Max (95:53)

That's a question mark. His. His answers to that question after the game were not great. Great.

Big Cat (95:57)

Why?

PFT Commenter (95:58)

What were his answers?

Max (95:59)

They. They asked about him. He said, we'll see how the week.

Big Cat (96:01)

What was the injury or something like that?

Hank (96:03)

He got. He got squished on his knee.

Big Cat (96:05)

I know. Was it like a knee sprain?

Max (96:07)

His knee? Also the hip drop tackle just doesn't exist.

Big Cat (96:11)

Yeah.

Max (96:11)

Like every single week there's a hip drop. Like, I'm not saying that. That, that should have been called one because they just haven't been calling it at all. But why do they implement that rule into the game if they're just never going to call it?

PFT Commenter (96:22)

Because they wanted to invent something that looked like they were doing something for player safety. So they made the most nebulous tackle of all time. A penalty where it's like nobody.

Big Cat (96:31)

We're.

PFT Commenter (96:31)

We're probably not even going to enforce it during games because it's impossible to tell what is a hip drop tackle. But if there's somebody that gets injured, we can always find that guy a week later.

Max (96:39)

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's crazy.

Big Cat (96:41)

Yeah. Is Quinnier Mitchell going to be okay?

Max (96:44)

That seems honestly. Which is crazy because Jalen hurts. Finished the game quitting Mitchell did not. The reports of that is that he will be fine, but Jalen hurts is still up in the air.

Big Cat (96:54)

Okay.

Max (96:55)

So if I had to guess, I think I'm optimistic about Quinion Mitchell. It seems like that it's just a sprain and that he'll be ready to go. Almost. Almost at 100% next week. Jalen hurts. If I had to. If I had to make a guess and I'm pretty confident in this guess, I think he will be playing at probably around 60 to 70%.

PFT Commenter (97:17)

I just want to say for the record, I want the Eagles to be healthy.

Big Cat (97:20)

Healthy.

PFT Commenter (97:21)

I want all their starters. I don't want injuries. Max and I agreed to turn injuries off this week. I want. I want the Eagles at their best.

Max (97:28)

I also would like to say this. I want the. I want the commanders at their best as well. And I take back a lot of the criticism I had towards the commanders. They are a worthy opponent and I'm looking at.

PFT Commenter (97:39)

Looking at them. I don't know that you can take that.

Big Cat (97:42)

No, you can't take that back.

PFT Commenter (97:43)

A lot of things are you.

Big Cat (97:44)

So you want the commanders at their best. Will you apologize for the Brock Purdy injury?

Max (97:51)

If I could take back the Brock Purdy injury, I would.

PFT Commenter (97:53)

Okay.

Big Cat (97:53)

That's a big man of you.

Max (97:55)

If I could, I would.

PFT Commenter (97:56)

So, Max, we're getting a lot of questions about if we're going to do a hair bet.

Big Cat (97:59)

Wait, let's say. Let's say this for after we talk. Bill's Ravens. I want to. I want to preview that. Like light preview and we can set the stage for you guys. Because I want to. I want to do that. We should talk real quick. Rams. First of all, Jared Verse. I love when people talk shit and then back it up. He backed it up. He had a great game. He said that he hated Philadelphia fans. That was awesome. I think the arrows pointing up for the Rams because they did flip this roster very quickly. But Matthew Stafford's not getting any younger.

PFT Commenter (98:29)

Yeah, I would agree with that. They got. They got strong at running back. They've got a great running back now.

Big Cat (98:34)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (98:34)

And their defense is awesome. I don't like. This is a tough.

Big Cat (98:38)

I mean, Cooper. Kyle cup kind of disappeared at the end of the season. He's getting a little older, too.

PFT Commenter (98:42)

He looked okay today, but there it's. It's more like. This is a weird g. This was a very tough game for the Rams to win in that environment. They almost pulled it out at the end.

Big Cat (98:52)

They were play away.

PFT Commenter (98:53)

You're not happy if You're a Rams fan. You're. You're pissed off. But ultimately I, I think the big question for Rams fans is how much older are we going to let Matt Stafford get right before we do something about it?

Big Cat (99:02)

Right.

PFT Commenter (99:02)

It's not like, it's not like Matt Stafford sucks. He doesn't suck.

Big Cat (99:06)

No.

PFT Commenter (99:06)

But you have to naturally ask that question.

Big Cat (99:09)

They stayed in this game. I mean, it was a nerve wracking game. I mean even that the sack. Should we talk, should we talk about the overalls? What's the plan? So for people who didn't watch the stream, we had a couple things working. Mojo wise. Obviously the Rams were my pinky team. I may be done with the pinky bet because that was, that was the most I've been afraid and I know people like, they're two games away from the super bowl bowl. The idea of the Rams being able to host an NFC championship game and then you're one. Like if they, if a pinky team ever gets a Super Bowl, I'm gonna, myself, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a wreck.

PFT Commenter (99:45)

I think the, the move is if it's like the Chiefs and the Rams and this year's super bowl, then you just bet your dick on the Chiefs. And that way if the Rams win, at least they only cut my finger off.

Big Cat (99:55)

That's true. That's a good point. But I, I might be done with it because it was.

PFT Commenter (99:58)

You're actually playing. You're doing the pinky bet in the, in the safest era to do it in. Because it's just Patrick Mahomes every year.

Big Cat (100:04)

True. But there's just no upside. It was the moment when I had explained it to coach Gruden and he's like, what. It really stuck to me. Like, why, why do you do this? But what. Listen, I need a. I'm not going to make any rash decisions.

PFT Commenter (100:19)

Yeah.

Big Cat (100:20)

After successfully keeping all ten of my fingers for another season. You know, it's an emotional season, a long season, like Dan Campbell said. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to do any retirement talk until we maybe get in the off season.

PFT Commenter (100:33)

You're going to see how you feel after training camp.

Big Cat (100:35)

That was insanely stressful. I think, Max, you, you felt the stress on me. But we had. So we had two things. We had the, the TV broke in the gambling cave for the first, in the first quarter and they had to reset it. And I pulled up my phone and as I pulled up my phone, Jalen Hurst ran for a touchdown. And after he ran for a touchdown, the TV came back on and Jake Elliott missed a extra point. So for the rest of the game, I was basically playing a game of should I watch it on my phone? Should I not? I went and took a. And watched on my phone and the Rams went three and out. And I was like, there's something about this phone. And then we also had Max overalls. He had a sweatshirt on over his overalls. We flipped the coin to see if he should do overalls or not.

Max (101:14)

Well, the, the chat just started spending a ton of money shout out to chat for me to do it. And at that point I felt. I felt bad that fans were spending their hard earned money to see me in the overall. So I thought I would give them at least a drive.

Big Cat (101:29)

And then obviously it was instant safety. Instant safety.

PFT Commenter (101:33)

Do you think they were spending their. Their hard earned money in the chat because they wanted to see you win in overalls or they wanted to see you lose in overalls?

Max (101:40)

Probably wanted to see me lose, but I respect the fans.

Big Cat (101:45)

Max, are you going to be wearing the overalls for the NFC championship game?

Max (101:48)

See, that's what I don't know. Because I may just need to wear them underneath a sweatshirt again. Again. Because the overalls.

Big Cat (101:58)

Yeah.

Max (101:59)

So I might be doing overalls.

PFT Commenter (102:00)

Yeah, you're wearing under.

Max (102:01)

I might be wearing underalls because it's.

PFT Commenter (102:05)

If it's.

Max (102:05)

It's kind of. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Big Cat (102:07)

Right.

Max (102:08)

But it's not even went well when I had the o. The underalls under my. Under my sweatshirt.

PFT Commenter (102:14)

But you're also wearing underwear. So you're wearing underalls over your underwear. You're wearing middles under sums Dan Campbell of alls.

Max (102:25)

No, I'm not Dan Campbell. Good coach. I wish I never said that. It was. It was pre anger. It was pre anger.

Big Cat (102:32)

Sometimes more potent than just anger.

PFT Commenter (102:35)

That's right. After the game, Max, he, to his credit, he went right into the weight room, started working out. And by working out, I mean just sitting on the bench press, just refreshing Twitter, trying to see if there were any injury news that he could.

Max (102:47)

I did end up. I think I did. I. I sat there for about an hour and a half. Half. And I think I did f. Five sets of bench press.

Big Cat (102:56)

Oh, wow.

Max (102:56)

Which still counts.

Big Cat (102:57)

That does count.

Max (102:58)

That still counts.

Big Cat (102:58)

He probably also was just watching our Twitter to see if we tipped our hand on what angle we were. No.

Max (103:03)

Yeah, I was watching so many. I cannot wait the One thing that I will say about the highlights, I cannot wait for the baldy breakdown of how good Jalen Carter was in this game.

Big Cat (103:13)

He was incredible.

Max (103:14)

He's so good.

Big Cat (103:15)

He was incredible.

PFT Commenter (103:16)

And I, I think that's. That scares me because being down our right guard, our best offensive lineman, that is. It's troubling to think about that.

Big Cat (103:23)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (103:23)

That dude scares me. Your offensive line scares me too.

Big Cat (103:26)

He was insane. He was insane. Good win.

PFT Commenter (103:28)

Do you see the graphic that Memes posted? He's got a memes graveyard. So these are memes that he constructs in anticipation of something potentially happening.

Big Cat (103:37)

Okay.

PFT Commenter (103:37)

And then when it doesn't happen, then he has to just throw him by the wayside. So there's a big graveyard of memes out there that never get used. And the one for the NFC championship game, if it was going to be Rams versus Commanders, was me for the Commanders. And then Big cat holding up a hand with the pinky cut off.

Big Cat (103:54)

Oh.

PFT Commenter (103:54)

For the Rams.

Big Cat (103:55)

And he also had Max. Sad, sad Max with my face over it. You see that?

PFT Commenter (104:02)

Yeah.

Big Cat (104:02)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (104:03)

I honestly didn't know that that was your face. I thought he was just posting sad Max.

Big Cat (104:08)

Max, do you want to say anything about the spitting?

Max (104:11)

No, that's. That's passion. I'll never apologize for that.

Big Cat (104:15)

Good. Good fact. Okay, we're. We are going to talk about the matchup and little, like preview of. Of what's coming this week, but let's get to the last game before we do that. Bill's 27, Ravens 25. Wow. This was an awesome game. And this is another. Two things can be true. Lamar had an incredible drive. Is he one of the game? Mark Andrews is having probably the worst night of anyone in America right now because he not only fumbled, but he dropped the two point conversion. Lamar had two turnovers, and he hasn't had two turnovers all year. And he now has four games. Four of his eight playoff games has two plus turnovers. I don't want to do the, like, Lamar sucks, and Lamar, because he doesn't suck, but it's okay to say that he did not play his best when the Ravens needed him to play his best.

PFT Commenter (105:12)

Sometimes it's hard to beat good teams on the road.

Big Cat (105:15)

That's a fact.

PFT Commenter (105:15)

And that's what he ran into.

Big Cat (105:17)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (105:17)

And the. The Ravens, to their credit, they. They did keep running the ball. It's. This is not on Harbaugh, like we could say it was last year. This game, I would say it's on two guys. It's probably on Mark Andrews and Lamar.

Big Cat (105:29)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (105:29)

And the fumble that he had was. It was a weird fumble. I don't know how he dropped that ball. He was getting tackled around his legs.

Big Cat (105:35)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (105:36)

And then he just kind of dropped it. But I didn't get hit out.

Big Cat (105:38)

I. There will be. This will obviously be. The narrative coming out of this game is playoff. Lamar can't get it done. And while it's very reductive to say that because I still think he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. You. You can't. He didn't play his best. He had his. He actually had his worst game probably of the year because he had two turnovers and. And you need your best player to play his best in these games.

PFT Commenter (106:02)

I like that. We've got a nice clean hierarchy for now though of AFC west quarterbacks. Right. Afc, AFC quarterbacks. Yeah. It goes Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and then Joe Burrow. If he was in the playoffs, he'd just probably be beating everybody.

Big Cat (106:16)

Yeah. But it's, it, it sucks for Lamar because obviously you have all this season where you were incredible. I mean he had four turnover, four interceptions all year and then he threw one. And I, I know that was probably miscommunication with Bateman, but the fumble led to points and that was. And they were playing from behind the whole game like that was. He put them in a spot where it was not great for the Ravens and especially a team that likes to play from ahead and run the ball. I also do think that that that two point conversion, the first one, that one kind of didn't make any sense because they ran right down the field and then they passed. Passed in the two point conversion.

PFT Commenter (106:56)

It's not just that they passed. They also moved Derek Henry out to the side where he wasn't even a threat of running the ball. Yeah, they just got him out of the play entirely.

Big Cat (107:04)

The thing I'll say about the Bills here, so the reason why I like the Bills in this game better on the Bills, this game we talked about on Friday. If you thought the Bills Ravens first game was going to be just a replay for today, you just weren't paying attention to who the Bills had back on defense. And the two of the biggest plays in the game came from two of those guys. Matt Milano tipped the pass on the first two point conversion to keep it a two point game. And then Bernard who didn't play in the first game had the game changing. Fumble on Mark Andrews. That was really like, that was. That did change the entire course of the game because I don't know what the Bill's plan was. Obviously you win and just survive in advance. They had a very weird offensive game plan where they were just very conservative and they didn't let Josh Allen just be Josh Allen. Like it was a lot of dump offs running the ball a lot. Maybe they saw something. They were like, we can control the game this way. But I thought the second half for the Bills, they were just trying to hold on instead of just taking it to the Ravens and finishing that game earlier.

PFT Commenter (108:07)

I think there were multiple times where each team was just trying to kill as much of the clock as possible.

Big Cat (108:12)

Right. So scared of the other guy.

PFT Commenter (108:13)

That was. The game plan is like just end with the ball and I mean, who knows what would have happened if Mark Andrews catches that two point conversion. He should have caught it. It was a very easy catch for him.

Big Cat (108:21)

Him.

PFT Commenter (108:22)

But I. There's still a lot of time left in that game.

Big Cat (108:24)

Y.

PFT Commenter (108:26)

This is growth, though. You want to talk about growth? With Josh Allen, there was the run that he had. There was 4 minutes, 15 seconds left in the game. Third and goal from the two yard line. Josh keeps it. Runs up the middle.

Big Cat (108:39)

Yep.

PFT Commenter (108:40)

And he thinks. He stops himself like midaction. He thinks about trying to pitch the ball out of a group of like four Ravens defenders back to James Cook, who's standing like 12 yards away as Josh's arms are tied up.

Big Cat (108:54)

He.

PFT Commenter (108:55)

He wanted to do it. And in that moment, Josh was like, you know, all the people that think maybe you shouldn't be so reckless with the ball all the time, they're right in the circumstance. And he pulled it in and got tackled.

Big Cat (109:05)

Yeah. That was third down or second down?

PFT Commenter (109:07)

That was third down, third and goal.

Big Cat (109:11)

Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right.

PFT Commenter (109:12)

That was.

Big Cat (109:13)

That's.

PFT Commenter (109:13)

That's personal growth. Growth.

Big Cat (109:15)

Yeah. He was definitely looking to pitch it.

PFT Commenter (109:18)

And it probably would end up costing them dearly.

Big Cat (109:21)

I.

PFT Commenter (109:21)

That would have been a tough play to make. So credit to Josh Allen for not being a. For not matching all the buttons.

Big Cat (109:26)

Yeah, he hit. What? Held on to it.

PFT Commenter (109:27)

Yeah. What's the just go down button? Why? Yeah, he hit. Why?

Big Cat (109:32)

He. He made the right choice. Also, Josh Allen, like, so he. Statistically, he didn't. It wasn't like he lit the world on fire.

PFT Commenter (109:38)

No, I.

Big Cat (109:39)

They. They didn't. They really didn't try to go deep often. But he's such a weapon when you get into goal line where he had those two touchdown runs where it's like you get within 10 yards and Josh Allen's is going to just bowl you over a couple times. And I do think he's gonna have to. They're gonna have to let him be himself more against the Chiefs because you can't, you just can't expect to beat Patrick Mahomes in his house unless Josh plays out of his mind. And I think he has that in them. But it was the Bills. They, their defense stood up like, besides that really long Ravens drive they did. They had a really good plan for Derek Henry and they weren't going to let him. They weren't going to let the Ravens run it down their throat that you could see that from the very jump. That was their plan. They're like, we're going to have to let Lamar beat us with his arm, which he did a couple times. But for the most part, the plan worked. And they made the big plays when you had to make the big plays. They got three turnovers that changed the game.

PFT Commenter (110:34)

They had enough plays where they stopped Derrick Henry for one or two yards and just hit the. Out of him up the middle. That it, it set a tone for their defense. And Derek was never, ever like, he had a couple nice runs in the open field that they kind of shoestring tackled him on. But if you can, if you can prevent him from doing the home run once where he goes 70 yards, scores a touchdown. Good job to the Bills defense, your linebackers and. And Ed Oliver was, was hitting people too. Great game from Ed.

Big Cat (110:59)

Yeah. They. The. The Bills defense stood up when they needed to stand up and the Bills keep going. By the way, we should mention also the DPI call at the end of the first half was fans similar to Texas fans. You have a right to be upset about that also. But if we're doing fairness, the Dion Dawkins hold call was. And that was when the Bills were driving and they immediately had to punt after that. The only person who thought the DPI call wasn't a good call or was. Was a good call was Tony Robbins.

PFT Commenter (111:30)

Romo. Tony Romo. Let James Cook. You ever heard of that one?

Big Cat (111:34)

Let James Cook. They're trying to fiz. They're trying to impose their will.

PFT Commenter (111:38)

Imposing.

Big Cat (111:39)

Imposing their will.

PFT Commenter (111:40)

Yep.

Big Cat (111:40)

Over and over.

PFT Commenter (111:41)

Yeah. Tony Blue also shout out Josh Allen. He did the Aaron Rodgers where he just developed a spontaneous southern accent in the post game interview.

Big Cat (111:49)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (111:49)

Was that the Perk Rogers game?

Big Cat (111:51)

I think so.

PFT Commenter (111:51)

I think that was a Perk Rogers. I mean, we got Perk Perk Allen today.

Big Cat (111:54)

But yeah, the Bills are a tough team. I, I I don't know. The Chief's gonna win. We need the Bills. I, they can't play conservative like they did. It did feel in the second half because they had the perfect first half. They go up 21:10 before halftime. They get the ball and it just felt like they're like, hey, we're just gonna hold on here. I will say Sean McDermott. I did like, I know we've, we've had a lot of discourse about being aggressive, trying to win the game. I thought that was the right call to kick that field goal with four minutes left because it was a long two. Well, if it was one, maybe you do the, the push. But with two and to be able to go up eight and exactly what. Yeah, the Ravens have to go down the field, score, and then get a two point conversion. @ the moment, I was like, I think you got to kick the field goal here.

PFT Commenter (112:41)

Weird stuff happens. And on that two point conversion, yeah, it should have been a catch, should have been two points, but because you played it smart, kicked the field goes. Put them in a position where weird benefits.

Big Cat (112:51)

Yeah, you, you put them in a position where they have to execute an extra play.

PFT Commenter (112:55)

Yeah.

Big Cat (112:55)

And it's like you have another chance to have them not be able to execute this play.

PFT Commenter (112:58)

Max, I'm curious to hear your take on this. There was a Baltimore radio host that called Buffalo a city of losers today. Would you concur with that guy?

Max (113:08)

They lose a lot in the playoffs.

PFT Commenter (113:09)

Would you concur that they lost a lot A city of losers. Because then Sean McDermott said in his post game speech, speech, this is a city of winners. The people of the city deserve more than whoever said that about them. Do you agree with Sean McDermott or the radio host that called them a city of losers?

Max (113:27)

I would say they're probably in between. Not necessarily losers nor winners. I'm sure the, the citizens of Baltimore.

PFT Commenter (113:35)

Buffalo.

Max (113:36)

Oh, wait, Buffalo's winners or Baltimores.

PFT Commenter (113:38)

The, the Baltimore radio host called Buffalo a city of loose.

Max (113:42)

Buffalo.

PFT Commenter (113:42)

Yeah, yeah.

Max (113:43)

No, Buffalo is a city of winners.

PFT Commenter (113:46)

They've never won a Super Bowl.

Max (113:47)

No, the people are, are winners, though. But the, yeah, no, the team, the team has not won a Super bowl. So.

PFT Commenter (113:52)

Yeah, he's kind of backtracking on the whole winner, loser thing.

Big Cat (113:54)

Sounds like you're confused.

PFT Commenter (113:56)

Yeah, he is.

Max (113:56)

Yeah, no, I am. That's fine. I'm not, I, I, I'm not calling anyone a loser. I'm saying that there's winners and then there's everyone else. Patriots winners, Chiefs winners.

PFT Commenter (114:10)

I would, I Would love Buffalo to get to the Super Bowl. I would love it.

Big Cat (114:14)

It would be so.

PFT Commenter (114:15)

For the Bills and Bills fans. What's that? What's that face? Hank, are you okay?

Max (114:24)

What is that face?

PFT Commenter (114:25)

Oh, big cat took a piss.

Hank (114:29)

I could hear it.

Big Cat (114:30)

We pre taped the ads. I had to piss. We were gonna take a break. What are you gonna do?

PFT Commenter (114:33)

He's not using the sink.

Big Cat (114:34)

What do you want me to do?

Hank (114:36)

Gross was gross me out.

Big Cat (114:37)

The sound.

Hank (114:38)

The sound.

PFT Commenter (114:38)

Just number one sports podcast when you need the sound.

Big Cat (114:43)

I was still talking during that. I was following along. I had to piss.

PFT Commenter (114:47)

So what's your take on it?

Big Cat (114:49)

Buffalo is trying to be a city of winners.

PFT Commenter (114:53)

They're trying their best.

Big Cat (114:54)

They're trying their best to be a city of winners.

Max (114:56)

There's a better way than I put it, but I. I concur.

Big Cat (114:59)

They're on their path. Path to trying to be winners. This is their year.

Hank (115:03)

This is their year. They're gonna win Sunday.

Big Cat (115:07)

They're going to New Orleans.

Hank (115:08)

Buffalo. Buffalo. I don't know. Is that. What's the thing where they have, like, sister schools or sister cities? Like Buffalo in New Orleans. That is the same city and it doesn't make sense, but it does. Like, Buffalo is going to win a Super Bowl. It shouldn't be in New Orleans.

Big Cat (115:23)

Yeah, it would be. It would be awesome. I mean, partying with. With Bill's fans all week would be awesome.

Max (115:30)

Yeah, I wanna. I want Hank to.

PFT Commenter (115:34)

No, I get it. They're. They're both drunk. Yeah, that's what he was going for.

Max (115:37)

Okay. Oh, okay. They're drunk. I feel like they're very different cities.

PFT Commenter (115:42)

No, it's called Buffalo.

Max (115:45)

New Orleans. Tourist trap of a city.

PFT Commenter (115:49)

Sister city.

Hank (115:50)

Sister city.

Big Cat (115:51)

Sister city.

PFT Commenter (115:52)

Sister. They don't always look alike, Max.

Max (115:55)

It's fair.

PFT Commenter (115:55)

But they can still be sisters.

Big Cat (115:57)

Yeah, One has, like, huge tits that they show every couple, you know, a couple times a year. The other, like, weird way likes beef on wecking wings. They're sisters, though. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (116:08)

Buffalo's got a great personality, right?

Max (116:11)

I love Buffalo. We've been to Buffalo. The city. The people of Buffalo are great. The city of Buffalo is great.

Big Cat (116:16)

Have you guys thought about that possibility? Because obviously, if you go, if either of you goes against the Chiefs. Chiefs. America's going to be on your side.

PFT Commenter (116:23)

I'm taking it one game at a time.

Big Cat (116:25)

We'll be on your side.

Hank (116:26)

I've thought about it.

Big Cat (116:27)

If you guys go against the Bills, I will be rooting for my friend Josh Allen.

PFT Commenter (116:31)

Yeah, I expect that Buffalo would probably be The. The darling of America if they got. I'm not worried about that.

Hank (116:38)

I'm worried about never root for the.

PFT Commenter (116:42)

You can control what you can control.

Max (116:43)

That's not true, Hank.

Hank (116:44)

No, it's true. I've thought about it.

PFT Commenter (116:46)

Trust me.

Hank (116:46)

I've done the calculations. No, no, I'm saying if the Bills up.

Big Cat (116:50)

Oh, yeah.

Hank (116:50)

For the Commanders against the Bills. I would not roof.

Max (116:53)

Yeah, I thought you were saying I would never root for the Eagles.

Big Cat (116:56)

No, no, Bill's Eagles. I'd root for Josh full. Full throated if it was Bill's. Full throated. Yeah, I said it. I mean, listen, we get accused of it, so why not just come out and say we do it? If it was Bill's Commanders, I think I would just take a step back and be like, will, there's a positive one way or the other.

PFT Commenter (117:16)

That's not. You would root for the Bills?

Big Cat (117:18)

I don't know.

PFT Commenter (117:19)

You said like two weeks ago that you. That I would lose the Super Bowl.

Big Cat (117:22)

I know, but then I. I like. Well, no, I said I hope you don't get to the Super Bowl. I. I said it would be if you got to the Super Bowl. I hadn't really think about what would happen if you got to the super bowl because then it's like one of the closest people in my life. To have a ton of happiness, I think I'd have to be like, yeah, I want Josh Allen to win.

PFT Commenter (117:38)

I. I am rooting. I'm rooting for the. The commanders and I'm rooting for the Bills.

Big Cat (117:46)

No, I think. I think if you went to the super bowl, pfd, I would. I would be rooting for you because, I mean, it would be. It'd be awesome for you. I'd be. I'd be. I'd get back to probably being bitter about Jaden Daniels, but I'd be happy for you.

Max (117:57)

Why wouldn't it be. Why wouldn't it be awesome for me?

Big Cat (117:59)

Nah, we all know what we want. I mean, Max, you want the sad, man.

PFT Commenter (118:04)

You had your shot, and you got to the super bowl. And you would never see somebody rooting harder for you in that super bowl than Big Cat was, was because he had 20,000, $200,000 on the line.

Max (118:14)

Yeah, no, maybe that. Maybe that's the recipe then that I don't need.

PFT Commenter (118:18)

Yeah.

Max (118:20)

I'm. I'm rooting for the Eagles. I don't care who we play on the other side. I'm rooting for the Eagles.

Big Cat (118:24)

All right, let's. Let's wrap up this game.

Max (118:26)

Yes.

Big Cat (118:27)

I don't know about that. Let's wrap up this game. Ravens, what do they do?

PFT Commenter (118:34)

I don't know that you change anything.

Big Cat (118:36)

It's gotta be. I mean, they're starting to get to that. That point of, like, what's happening.

PFT Commenter (118:43)

I don't. I don't know that you make any drastic changes. I don't know that you can look at this game and say, like, the. The guys that made mistakes, Mark Andrews still a good player.

Big Cat (118:52)

Yeah.

Hank (118:53)

Did you guys see the tweet from the Ravens?

Big Cat (118:55)

No.

Hank (118:56)

They tweeted a pregame clip of Mark Andrews warming up and was like, mark Andrews not affected by the snow.

PFT Commenter (119:03)

So maybe you do cut them.

Big Cat (119:04)

Yeah, I. I just. I. Yeah, you still have to keep going because you have Lamar Jackson and your windows open as long as you have Lamar Jackson. But this is now. How many years of Lamar Jackson being one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and they have not. I mean, they had a. I wonder. Last year probably hurt more.

PFT Commenter (119:22)

Yeah.

Big Cat (119:23)

Because they were favorites at home against the Chiefs and they. And they lost.

Hank (119:27)

A little snow doesn't bother Mark Andrews.

Big Cat (119:29)

Was the wording of it.

PFT Commenter (119:30)

Maybe you cut the social media person. Person. I think what happens is Ravens fans just go into next season with an impending send of sense of doom. Whereas this season, it was like, okay, full. This is the year. We believe they still were very optimistic. Lamar was playing as good as he has in his entire career, and they.

Big Cat (119:51)

Were the hottest team.

PFT Commenter (119:52)

But next year, you go into the season being like, a little bit jaded. I don't know that we can do anything until I see it.

Big Cat (119:59)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (119:59)

Yeah.

Big Cat (119:59)

Because they were playing. I mean, you know, they beat the Steelers. They kicked the. Out of the Texans down the stretch, and they were. They were. It felt like everything was clicking at the right time for them. And. Yeah, they go back to the well. They go back to the well. That's a tough one. That's really. We're gonna try to get Stavion, so maybe he can answer that for us. I feel bad, but I'm gonna have to ask him. I'm not gonna. I didn't ask him today. I'm gonna wait till tomorrow.

PFT Commenter (120:25)

It kind of sucks. Whoever lost this game was gonna have to deal with. With a significant narrative.

Big Cat (120:30)

Right, right.

PFT Commenter (120:31)

And as members of the media, it's our responsibility to uphold those narratives.

Big Cat (120:35)

Right. And they would have. And they would have. Both quarterbacks had stat like Lamar with the turnovers and Josh. They didn't really stretch the field and they didn't let him be himself. So they both, whoever lost was going to have to answer to it.

PFT Commenter (120:48)

It was going to be execution by the Internet.

Big Cat (120:50)

Yeah. Okay, let's take another break. When we come back, let's talk national championship and also a little tiny. Any first thoughts about the championship Sunday coming up?

PFT Commenter (121:00)

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Big Cat (123:12)

Okay, rollback question. R hb a k.com promo code, take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. Boys. Pft. Max, what's this week going to be like for the awls, for us in the room? How. How are we feeling?

PFT Commenter (123:33)

Speaking for myself, I. I'm going to be on edge all week.

Big Cat (123:37)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (123:38)

I mean, I. To be fair, I'm playing with house money. Max has a lot more to lose than I do right now. If. If the commanders.

Big Cat (123:44)

I like this.

PFT Commenter (123:44)

If the commanders lose the NFC championship, this. This is the start. Like, the window's open. Our window is just. I'm. I'm lifting up the window right now. It's. It's cracked. And I'm getting that nice. That nice gust of cool air in on a hot summer day. So this is the start of something for Max. This is like maybe middle. Middle to end of something. I feel like I'm playing with house money, but I'm still going to be very nervous this week because it's the biggest game that I've seen since 1992.

Max (124:14)

I don't disagree. I don't disagree with anything he just said. Yeah, I think that's. That's why there's a difference in demeanor. You are watching the highlights. You're celebrating the win. It's been over 24 hours.

Big Cat (124:27)

You're back to work.

PFT Commenter (124:28)

I watched 14 hours worth of highlights. My phone died. The battery on my phone died twice since the game ended last night because I was watching too many highlights.

Max (124:36)

Yeah, no, I. I don't. I'm on. I'm on to next week.

Big Cat (124:40)

You, you, you.

Max (124:41)

I don't care about. I don't care that I just beat the rank, that I just. That I don't care about being in the conference championship. That means so little to me.

PFT Commenter (124:48)

It's Monday right now. I've moved on. Just turned 1201 back to work.

Max (124:53)

Okay, if the Eagles. If the Eagles lose on Sunday, this season is a complete fail. What about Commanders lose, which is a terrifying place to be?

Big Cat (125:02)

Yeah. What about. For this podcast? Will be the lowest point. Will be the lowest point.

Hank (125:12)

No, I think it'll Be a really downloaded episode.

Big Cat (125:15)

Will it be the lowest point Max?

PFT Commenter (125:18)

Yeah.

Max (125:19)

And I have not had. Don't have a good track record in.

Big Cat (125:25)

This, but that's actually way worse that you've had only low point points. And this will be the lowest point.

PFT Commenter (125:30)

I mean, the Super Bowl, Max.

Big Cat (125:31)

But I think this might like the Super Bowl.

Max (125:34)

This is worse.

Big Cat (125:34)

The super bowl was. Was the opening of a window, and you lose to Mahomes. And as much as it sucks, it's Patrick Mahomes. He would have to look at you every single day pretty much for the rest of his life because he said he's only going to live to 45, and that will be in his head every single day.

Hank (125:55)

And you know PFT would buy every single piece of NFC champion gear.

PFT Commenter (125:58)

Oh, my God.

Hank (125:59)

That would basically be wardrobe.

Big Cat (126:00)

You buy the. No one will buy.

PFT Commenter (126:02)

I would make my own.

Big Cat (126:03)

The pl. Have you ever seen a plaid NFC championship shirt?

PFT Commenter (126:07)

You're about to.

Max (126:08)

I. I have one. Losing to Hank is worse than losing to pft, I will say.

Hank (126:15)

Have you lost to pft?

Max (126:17)

No. Well, yes, I have lost.

Hank (126:19)

Regular season.

Max (126:21)

Correct. But you're so much more of an. And the look on your face when you went. When you went, like, there's a part of PST will be. Will. You know, he'll have his moment, and it'll suck to see him, but I won't hate him the way that I hate Hank. However, I do care way more about the Eagles than I do the Sixers. And the Sixers, that was such a long shot for them to, like, the Eagles have a real chance of 3,2. No, but the Sixers are. The Sixers. Like, the chances of them, like, they weren't in, like a. Like a. Like the. The Eagles are favored to win the super bowl right now. The Sixers were never favored to win the NBA Finals.

PFT Commenter (127:03)

They're favored to win the super bowl, but they're probably going to be underdogs to whoever they play in the apc.

Max (127:08)

As of. As of right now, the Eagles are favored to win the Super Bowl. They are in a window. Like, this is a time that you have to win.

Big Cat (127:16)

Right.

Max (127:16)

Especially I said. I mentioned it earlier. Jaden Daniels is terrifying. That game against the Lions was incredible. He looked like a guy that I am very scared of for a very long time. And you got to beat him now. Yeah, you got to beat him now.

PFT Commenter (127:36)

Yeah. I think if any, if any, rookie quarterback is capable of doing what seems to be impossible and winning a Super bowl in their first year. What I've seen From Jaden. He seems to be the kind of guy that could do. Do that.

Max (127:48)

That's. That throw to Diami Brown was so good.

PFT Commenter (127:51)

Yeah. And I'm not saying that I'm not confident that the commanders are going to win the super bowl, but I think that they could, which is crazy. The growth that we've seen out of.

Big Cat (127:59)

This guy two games away. You absolutely could.

PFT Commenter (128:01)

Yeah, we absolutely could. And I'm entitled to think soupy now because I'm. By thinking soupy, that just means I'm thinking about this game this weekend.

Big Cat (128:08)

Yeah.

Max (128:08)

So 100.

PFT Commenter (128:09)

Yeah, I agree. Listen, Max, we said it before we started taping like things are. Things are going to get contentious by the end of the week. Week. I'm. I think we're both trying to start this week out not firing the other guy up too much, not talking as much because that's naturally going to occur as we get closer to the NFC championship. But shout out to the NFC east. We are who the NFC people thought.

Big Cat (128:31)

The NFC north pmtv. We should try to. We should do like some kind of competition where Hank and I versus Max. Pft. Let him get. Get maybe closer as far friends get him. Get him on the same team.

PFT Commenter (128:45)

I think I'm going to just scout Max this week. I'm going to watch a lot of Max film.

Max (128:48)

I'd like to put out a lot of bad tape. I'll tell you that much.

Hank (128:53)

I think we should.

PFT Commenter (128:54)

Is that threat?

Max (128:55)

I don't know. Everything I do is bad tape.

Big Cat (128:56)

Oh, he's talking about himself.

PFT Commenter (128:58)

Himself. Okay.

Big Cat (128:58)

No.

Max (128:59)

Yeah.

Hank (128:59)

Who sleep on it, obviously. And I think we can. We can reconvene Tuesday. But people have been saying it a lot and. And you guys do both have long hair.

PFT Commenter (129:07)

We do. I was thinking maybe a mullet bet.

Big Cat (129:10)

Oh, I would do buy super bowl tickets bet.

PFT Commenter (129:17)

I think it's not fair.

Big Cat (129:19)

I know.

PFT Commenter (129:21)

I also want to say for the record that if the Eagles are great.

Hank (129:24)

Friends at game time are lucky enough.

PFT Commenter (129:25)

To make it to the Super Bowl, I think Max should attend that game in person.

Big Cat (129:28)

Yeah. So wait, I was going to ask this memes. Hank, who you guys rooting for?

Hank (129:33)

So I am in an interesting spot because.

Max (129:36)

Why are you asking Hank full. He has an answer.

Hank (129:42)

Yeah. No, I have an answer for everything. Everyone does. I went on a heater a couple weeks ago. I was up. I went up like 15 grand on one Sunday. And I was like, I'm gonna put a future. I put it on the Eagles. $5,800. Biggest future I've ever put on plus 450 right now, I could cash out for 10 grand. So I could cash out and make money, but I don't think I should.

Big Cat (130:08)

No, probably not.

Hank (130:09)

So I think I'm gonna. I, I will make a decision by the end of the week. I will also be sleeping on it. And I thought initially going into this game, I was like, if the Eagles win, I'm cashing out, rooting for the Commanders. Once that happened and I was looking at it, I have thought about it more, and the Eagles, I feel like, are the better team. They got more guys, better defense. Commanders are playing with house money. If they lose, they're not going to be that upset about it. I, My gut, my Sunday gut is telling me to stick with the Eagles and ride with Max.

PFT Commenter (130:39)

I, I just, I think the commander, the team is going to be upset. They lose. Very upset.

Hank (130:43)

Well, obviously, but, but that's what you just said.

Max (130:48)

I honestly think that's a better scenario for you. Like, I think that that is a reason.

PFT Commenter (130:51)

Well, Hank's been betting against us all season long, so why mess up a good thing?

Hank (130:55)

And people are going to bring up the commanders. I have $100 on the commanders to win, like a thousand dollars. I have 5,800 on the Eagles to win the super bowl at. To win 38 grand. And the other thing that I'm thinking about, because I'm, you know, next level thinker, the Eagles have a much better chance to beat the Chiefs.

Big Cat (131:13)

That's true.

Hank (131:14)

And so I don't, I don't, I don't want to root for the Commanders, have them win and then just get smoked by the Chiefs. And then three Pete. So, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm leaning heavily.

PFT Commenter (131:23)

Eagles, me.

Hank (131:26)

No offense. That's understandable. That's not, that wasn't, that's not a personal thing.

PFT Commenter (131:30)

Counterpoint. Everyone thought that the Lions were going to smoke the commanders.

Hank (131:35)

The Lions don't have devil magic.

PFT Commenter (131:38)

That's true.

Hank (131:39)

They have actually, like, the, they have just the devil on, like, against them.

Big Cat (131:42)

Yeah. Memes. I woke up, I was going to root for PFT to win the Super Bowl. And then he tweeted a picture of Amy Schumer interviewing for the jets head coaching job.

PFT Commenter (131:57)

Breaking news. Amy Schumer has just completed her interview.

Big Cat (132:00)

I like that meme.

PFT Commenter (132:00)

They're talking to everybody. That's. That's all the job was.

Big Cat (132:03)

We get to stay in New Orleans. Well, no. So memes that. Yeah, that's. I, I, we taught, we were talking about it before and if the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, I think.

Hank (132:16)

You will be able to regardless. Me?

Big Cat (132:18)

Yeah, you might be able to regardless. I got to do the podcast. If the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, Max is going to go to the Super Bowl. Max. Yes.

Max (132:26)

I would love to go to the super bowl.

Big Cat (132:28)

So Max can go to the super bowl, but we will not stay in New Orleans because we can easily have Max zoom in after the game. If the commanders go, PFT is going to go to the super bowl, and we can't do a Super bowl show with PFTI both on Zoom. So I'd have to stay three extra days in New Orleans, and I want to kill myself just thinking about that. No offense, New Orleans, but I also like. I'd like to see my kids.

PFT Commenter (132:54)

Why don't you just fly back and then fly back?

Big Cat (132:56)

That sounds even worse. That sounds way worse.

Hank (133:01)

So it sounds like PFD got a stacked.

Big Cat (133:04)

I actually was thinking about stacked against fine.

PFT Commenter (133:07)

I was shocking anybody anytime, anywhere.

Big Cat (133:10)

I was wanted to root for the commanders, and then I. Because I want to see Max sad. But then when we mapped out the plans, I was like, wait, what we have to do to Monday? And then I'm going on vacation on Wednesday. So I basically just wouldn't see my kids for two weeks. And that would suck a lot.

PFT Commenter (133:27)

I want to be perfect. Perfectly clear. I do not give a shit who you guys root for.

Big Cat (133:32)

I know. I just wanted to throw it out there for the listeners. The listeners might want to know who the three. I'm on your side.

PFT Commenter (133:38)

Thanks, Memes.

Big Cat (133:39)

Oh, you're back. No, no, because we're staying till Monday.

PFT Commenter (133:41)

Me and Memes all the way. Always been best friends.

Max (133:44)

That's huge for me. That felt like a. Oh, the graphic. That felt like a graphic.

Big Cat (133:49)

All right, I'm back on Max.

Hank (133:50)

I also might switch.

Big Cat (133:51)

I might switch, too. I might try to figure out how to just not go to New Orleans until the Super Bowl. Skip Super Week.

Hank (133:59)

I wish the. If the Bills. I wish the Bills Chiefs game was first.

Big Cat (134:03)

Yeah.

Hank (134:03)

Because if the Bills win, I'm cashing out and rooting for the Bills.

Big Cat (134:06)

I would. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (134:07)

It was really nice being able to watch the games today, knowing that I was already in the NFC championship game next week. It's gonna suck because I'm either gonna. Well, if I lose, I'm gonna be so upset during the AFC championship game that I'm not gonna be able to properly enjoy it.

Big Cat (134:24)

Man, this is gonna be fun. House money fun.

Max (134:29)

I wish I had house money in a vacuum.

Hank (134:31)

Take, take your headphones off. 50 in a vacuum. Big Cat.

Big Cat (134:34)

Yeah, I, I think the exact same thing I thought thought before the Lions Commanders game and I ended up betting the Commanders. Now I didn't bet a moneyline, but I bet him eight and a half. The Eagles are a better team. Jaden Daniels is special. Like, I don't. If they play this game 10 times, I think it's five. Five. Because I think Jaden Daniels just does something like if you give him the ball late, he's going to do something special and he's going to beat them. So yeah, on paper, Eagles are way better. Most talented roster in the NFL. They don't have Jaden Daniels. That's just, it just keeps sticking in my head.

Hank (135:13)

It's just they barely beat him with.

Big Cat (135:14)

With Kenny Pickett, but it, but it doesn't matter. There's something going on that you just can't like the Eagles dropped a pick at the end of that game to. Didn't they, didn't they drop? No.

Max (135:27)

Devonte Smith dropped. Dropped.

Big Cat (135:28)

That's right. Like that shit is happening where it's, it doesn't matter. Matter.

PFT Commenter (135:34)

We should also say though, that Jaden did throw two interceptions.

Big Cat (135:37)

Wait, you weren't supposed to be listening.

PFT Commenter (135:38)

Yeah, no, I'm just saying I wanted to make sure to point that out because Max was supposed to say we have to talk about that.

Max (135:42)

No, no, I, I told you no notes Jaden Daniels. I, I, I have given Jaden Daniels the utmost respect in this, in this episode.

PFT Commenter (135:49)

Yeah. So Max and I are both being very careful with our words. Yeah, it's early, it's early in the week. We're going to ease our way into. We're going to work up a lather by Friday.

Max (135:59)

I agree with everything that big Cat just said, by the way. The Eagles are for sure are. I think you agree with that. The Eagles are the better team, but we don't have. Jaden Daniels is a scary player.

PFT Commenter (136:10)

I would cut. Yeah, on paper, the roster they are.

Max (136:14)

The team is better. But, but Jaden Daniels and the Team of Destiny vibes of the Commanders is a thing.

PFT Commenter (136:22)

But you also have to look.

Max (136:23)

Lions were better. You guys still won that game.

Big Cat (136:26)

Scrubs.

PFT Commenter (136:26)

The thing is, the Lions were not better. We were the better team. It's not like, like, like our guys were better than their guys on Saturday.

Max (136:34)

That, yeah, all their guys were hurt. I mean, obviously, but, but in the grand scheme of things, if you were like the Lions are, were the better football team all year than the Commanders. But on that, yes, Obviously, on that day, the commanders were better, but it. Overall, you wouldn't say that if, if you look at this whole team.

Big Cat (136:54)

Yeah. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (136:55)

If we're doing a guy off.

Big Cat (136:56)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (136:57)

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Big Cat (136:58)

Yeah. I.

PFT Commenter (136:58)

What's the most important position position?

Max (137:00)

Quarterback. And that's. That's what I am. I am. I'm agreeing with you.

PFT Commenter (137:04)

Yeah.

Big Cat (137:05)

I. I think I've also realized that I'm for logistics standpoint. I think I want the Eagles to win the NFC Championship. If the Commanders win the NFC Championship, I think I am going to be rooting for the commanders in super bowl because I'm gonna have to stay an extra three days and I want it to be worth it. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (137:21)

Not against the Bills, though. You're gonna root for the Bills.

Big Cat (137:23)

I don't know, dude. Again, it comes down to, like, you actually like that you're there and it's like your ultimate happiness. I. I would. I'd be. I'd be bitter about Jane Daniels, but be happy for you. And I'd also be like, at least we stayed for you to win.

PFT Commenter (137:38)

Yeah.

Big Cat (137:38)

Because if you lost, I'd be like.

PFT Commenter (137:40)

Why'D we stay on the numbers side of it? Misery always does better than being happy, right?

Hank (137:45)

Well, we're getting that no matter what.

Big Cat (137:46)

That's the beauty.

Hank (137:47)

That's the beauty.

Big Cat (137:48)

The beauty of this. That is the beauty of this.

Max (137:50)

If and we get a chance, we.

Hank (137:52)

Get a chance for double misery.

PFT Commenter (137:53)

But it can't be against the ch.

Big Cat (137:54)

Chiefs.

PFT Commenter (137:55)

Hank is ready.

Big Cat (137:56)

Basically, what I'm telling you. Pft.

Hank (137:57)

I'm ready for double misery Bills.

Big Cat (137:59)

If you get to. I'm. I'm not with you next Sunday. But if you get to the thing, win the whole. But no, actually, that's what I'm. That's where I'm at. If you get to the super bowl, you win that whole thing.

Hank (138:08)

I. I kind of agree. Actually. I would rather have.

Max (138:11)

I do not agree.

Hank (138:12)

Max Misery. Pft. Win the Super Bowl. But also I have this stupid.

Big Cat (138:17)

Like, the worst case scenario here is you. Is. Is the Chiefs just win.

PFT Commenter (138:21)

I. I would also say.

Hank (138:22)

And that's what's going to happen.

Big Cat (138:23)

And it's like we go and we go to the super bowl and then that's. That's.

Hank (138:28)

That's pod misery.

Big Cat (138:29)

So that's why I'm like, I will be rooting for you.

PFT Commenter (138:30)

I. I'll also say that if we get to the super bowl, if we're lucky enough to win the super bowl, that night is statistically my most probable night of dying that I think I've ever had in my life. New Orleans super bowl victory. I'm 40.

Big Cat (138:48)

You're a man.

PFT Commenter (138:49)

That's like. If you look at a pie chart of different days and how likely I was to die on each day in my entire life, that would be like 12 of the entire pie. Just that one day.

Big Cat (139:01)

Just promise me if, if I have to stay three extra days in New Orleans, you win the whole thing.

PFT Commenter (139:04)

Okay.

Big Cat (139:05)

That's all I ask. Then it's worth it for me.

PFT Commenter (139:08)

But listen, I'm focused on this week.

Big Cat (139:09)

Yeah, I understand. But could you promise?

PFT Commenter (139:11)

Yeah, I promise.

Big Cat (139:11)

Okay.

Max (139:11)

If the commanders go to the Super Bowl, I'm gonna get more drunk that's that weekend than I did last year than I did the last time. Because I will be so miserable that I am like, I will be so miserable.

Big Cat (139:23)

I'm gonna probably. I'm probably. I'm probably gonna game of the year at the Commander's money line to try to make that extra three days in New Orleans worth it.

PFT Commenter (139:30)

I don't hate it.

Big Cat (139:31)

Yeah, I. I might have to do that because I might just be like it. I'm going all in with you. Like, if you're going to be miserable, I'll just join you.

Max (139:39)

Memes also has something to say.

Big Cat (139:41)

I know misery sells, but has anything positive happened to you guys that like, we know the outcome of that, like numbers wise. Number wise. Like the double doink was the most listened to podcast. No. Misery, dude. Misery.

PFT Commenter (139:55)

Has anything positive happened when Hank was in the victory parade.

Hank (140:00)

That was huge.

Big Cat (140:00)

But that's. It's misery.

Hank (140:02)

Parting with the Patriots after they won two Super Bowls.

Big Cat (140:04)

Misery is two times what would happen.

PFT Commenter (140:07)

Okay. I think it would actually be. I think people would listen at a super high clip if it was Commanders. Chiefs in the super bowl and the Commanders beat Mahomes and the Chiefs. Yeah, I think that would do some.

Big Cat (140:20)

Numbers, but it still would be misery. Yeah, misery is always number one. Sickos and perverts love it. But we don't know. No, I. I think we know. It's how the Internet works. Memes. You, you, you are a student of the Internet. You live on the Internet.

Hank (140:32)

I think that. Yeah, I think the NFC championship game will be bigger. That will be a big bigger episode regardless of what happens in the Super Bowl.

Big Cat (140:38)

What clips get watched more when it. Like when fans freak out and lose or when fans get happy. The Hank celebrating the Boston Celtics went viral. But freakouts and losses are. Max's super bowl loss wasn't bigger.

PFT Commenter (140:57)

Hank, what you just said Was insane, though. You think that the episode after the NFC Championship game is going to be bigger than the episode after Super Bowl. Super bowl, potentially.

Hank (141:06)

If it's a close, if it's a.

PFT Commenter (141:07)

If it's a. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Big Cat (141:10)

Either way, we're in a good spot. God's in awl.

Hank (141:13)

Just not the Good work, boys.

Big Cat (141:16)

Who do you guys like tonight?

Hank (141:18)

Ohio State.

PFT Commenter (141:19)

Ohio State.

Big Cat (141:20)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (141:21)

But I think Lou Holtz is going to be in the building.

Big Cat (141:25)

What are you shaking your head about, Max?

Max (141:27)

I forgot that there was a college of games.

Big Cat (141:29)

This is why they shouldn't.

Hank (141:30)

There's been no, there's been zero.

Big Cat (141:32)

Because about this game.

Hank (141:33)

In the negative, negative buzz about this game.

Big Cat (141:36)

This is why the season lasts too long.

PFT Commenter (141:38)

I've been locked in on NFL. I haven't had time.

Hank (141:41)

This game feels like an exhibition. I do think not a national championship.

Big Cat (141:45)

I mean, Ohio State's the better team. I feel like it's one of those things where, like, Notre Dame, two out of 10 times, maybe could win this game. They got to get Will Howard to turn the ball over. They got to be able to, like, I mean, Notre Dame's defense is very good.

PFT Commenter (142:01)

I do love Notre Dame's rushing attack, too.

Big Cat (142:04)

Yeah. And Riley Leonard's gonna have to play perfect, but it could be there. Get him into a tight game, let Marcus Freeman out. Coach Ryan Day, I just, I'm worried about Notre Dame's rush defense and I, I, Yeah, yeah.

PFT Commenter (142:20)

If you get, if Ryan Day is sweating in the second half, he's going to drop the ball.

Big Cat (142:25)

And the problem with, the problem with Ohio State, like, obviously everyone knows Jeremiah Smith and they got dudes everywhere. But like, their defense, their defensive line is so nasty and they'll just be able to get pressure with four and be able to play coverage. And I, Notre Dame doesn't exactly have, like, they don't have a Jeremiah Smith. That's really what it comes out. They don't have a difference maker on the outside.

PFT Commenter (142:46)

Although Fison, he's quick.

Big Cat (142:48)

He could do something. It's probably Ohio State. But yet the, the college football season goes on too long. Also, we talked about it with Booger. So if you want a full.

PFT Commenter (142:57)

Well, like, I'm, I'm okay with the season going on this long because it's more football. We have, we have a meaningful football game tomorrow night. But also, I was not thinking at all about college football this week.

Big Cat (143:07)

I'm not saying take, I'm not saying do less football. Just do it earlier. Yeah. Like, there's a there's spots in the schedule where they could just be like, hey, we're going to play a game instead. Dead. And now the, the college football national championship should be like January 10th at the latest.

PFT Commenter (143:24)

Yeah, that's.

Big Cat (143:25)

That's what it feels like.

PFT Commenter (143:26)

Make week zero, week one, or just.

Big Cat (143:28)

Get rid of the conference championships and start the playoffs then.

PFT Commenter (143:30)

Yeah, that's really what it is. Just give the conference championship to whoever the home, like whoever would have won the home team seating for the conference championship.

Big Cat (143:39)

Also, there's an entire week between conference championship week and the or two weeks between conference championship week in the playoffs.

PFT Commenter (143:46)

But also keep Army Navy as a standalone.

Big Cat (143:50)

You might have to play it on a different day.

PFT Commenter (143:52)

I don't like that. I like that as a standalone.

Big Cat (143:54)

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Big Cat (145:22)

All right, who's back of the week? Hank, my who's back of the week is Tick Tock. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (145:29)

So Saturday, our national nightmare is over.

Hank (145:32)

Yeah, Saturday. Because there was an announcement last week that they were banning tick tock on January 19th, 18th, Saturday. If you went on Tick Tock, every single person was basically, there's people crying. Everyone was acting like the world was ending.

Big Cat (145:47)

People at this office asking us to not fire them.

Hank (145:50)

People in this office asking us to not fire them. What's going to happen, how this is going to affect us? You would have thought the world was ending. The funny trend that was happening was like, you know, Tick Tockers and influencers that got big on the Tik Tok app were basically revealing all their dirtiest secrets. Like, oh, you know, one last day on this app. I might as well tell you this and then just tell like basically them like lying about something or doing something nefarious and then plane's gonna crash and.

PFT Commenter (146:16)

So you just confess your love to the person that you're next to.

Hank (146:19)

Yes.

PFT Commenter (146:19)

Yeah, it was analogy like life does go on.

Hank (146:22)

Well, basically that's, that's what, what's the Almost Famous that. It was basically that scene in Almost Famous because it got banned, I think 10:00 and then, then the next Sunday morning it was back just completely fine.

PFT Commenter (146:35)

But what is what a smart marketing move by Tick Tock to have everybody celebrate the death of your app, talk about how great it is, start crying because they can't use your app anymore. Boom, we're back.

Hank (146:48)

It wasn't even 24 hours. I thought it was gonna be maybe till the inauguration like officially happened. But no, they just, they brought it back Sunday morning.

PFT Commenter (146:55)

Yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (146:55)

So we're back.

Hank (146:56)

So Tick Tock is back.

PFT Commenter (146:57)

What about all the influencers that signed up for, for, for. Was it red scare?

Big Cat (147:01)

Red note.

PFT Commenter (147:01)

Red Note, Yeah. The Chinese government owned app that's like glorified, I think in the terms of service. It said to promote the values of socialism.

Big Cat (147:09)

Yeah. And we were like sharing. There was, there's a bunch of clips of like people sharing videos from aircraft carriers and yeah, not great.

PFT Commenter (147:19)

So Tick Tock back.

Hank (147:21)

Tick Tock's back. I think they said they're, they're doing like a 90 day extension and then it might be banned again, but there's just no way that it ever gets banned.

PFT Commenter (147:30)

I thought the Supreme Court was it like 9 nothing. It was unanimous and it upheld the.

Hank (147:35)

Ban, but it's back. So how like we're back.

PFT Commenter (147:39)

Yeah, we're back.

Hank (147:40)

If you can beat a 9 nothing Supreme Court vote, they beat the allegations.

PFT Commenter (147:43)

Yeah, that's like having Infinity Stars in gta.

Hank (147:46)

It also is like Zuckerberg is. Are we much better? Are the other apps much better? Like, everyone's going to switch. Like, I. I don't. I don't. I've never understood that part of it.

PFT Commenter (147:55)

Well, the thing about I. I read something and I think it was the.

Hank (147:58)

Devil, you know, versus.

PFT Commenter (148:00)

Yeah. From the court briefing on. On what they were saying about Tik Tok. I think that with Tik Tok, if you like, if you have Tik Tok and let's say your mom doesn't have Tik Tok. By you being on Tik Tok and allowing access to your contacts, the Chinese government now has access to everything about your mom, who's not even on the app.

Hank (148:22)

But they have that anyway. Like, they have it all.

Big Cat (148:25)

Everyone has Big Brother's watching everything.

Hank (148:27)

If you have an iPhone, everything's out there.

Big Cat (148:31)

Tick Tock, though. Congrats to everyone who makes a living on Tick Tock, because that would have sucked for them. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of people who are probably freaking the out.

Hank (148:38)

Yeah. There was.

Big Cat (148:38)

There was.

Hank (148:39)

There was real tears going on.

PFT Commenter (148:40)

Yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (148:41)

Also, do you see? Snacking Girl came back.

Hank (148:44)

I did. See, that was great.

Big Cat (148:45)

Awesome.

Hank (148:46)

That was great. She did the stack.

Big Cat (148:47)

Snacking.

PFT Commenter (148:47)

Oh, she ran it back. Yeah, yeah.

Big Cat (148:49)

She's like, this might be the end. Here it is.

PFT Commenter (148:51)

One last time.

Big Cat (148:52)

Yeah. All right. Pfdr. Who's back?

PFT Commenter (148:54)

My. Who's back of the week? Well, I have an update on the Falconer for Lazio. Oh, so he disputes the claim. And to refresh your memory, he is the Falconer for the soccer team Lazio that got kicked.

Hank (149:04)

He never needed the surgery because he.

PFT Commenter (149:06)

Got a penis enhancement surgery. And then he barricaded himself inside the team facility to protest his firing. He is claiming that he never barricaded himself inside the team facility, rather that he had a medical condition after the surgery where if he stood up, he would have started bleeding from his penis. Oh, and he said that. He said, I have a medical certificate. If I get up, I will lose blood from my penis. So he's got a note from the doctor saying the only reason he barricaded himself was because he was not allowed to stand up and move around.

Big Cat (149:38)

Got it.

PFT Commenter (149:39)

So we'll see. As of now, still fired. I don't think the Falcon was ever in any immediate danger, but we do advocate for his reinstatement as Falconer official Team Falconer asap. My other who's back of the week is Woolly Mammoths. They're Back. There's a company called Colossal Biosciences, and they just raised $200 million. Their company is valued at 10.2 billion. To bring back and clone woolly mammoths.

Big Cat (150:04)

Whoa.

PFT Commenter (150:04)

And I'd say it's. It's high time that this happened.

Big Cat (150:07)

That's pretty awesome.

PFT Commenter (150:07)

I've been waiting for a billionaire to actually do Jurassic Park. Park ever since that movie came out. We have the technology. Like, what bad could happen from reinventing all these old extinct animals?

Big Cat (150:17)

Yeah.

PFT Commenter (150:17)

So, Willie, mammoths might be back soon. Which I would. I would love to see woolly mammoths walking around out there.

Big Cat (150:23)

Yeah. Why not?

PFT Commenter (150:24)

We got coyotes.

Big Cat (150:25)

Let's do it.

PFT Commenter (150:26)

Why not woolly mammoths?

Big Cat (150:27)

Yeah. Let's do it.

PFT Commenter (150:28)

I'm all in, Williams.

Big Cat (150:30)

All right. My. Who's back? I got two. The Dodgers, they signed another, like, guy who's gonna be incredible. Two of them, Tanner Scott and Sasaki, they're just really good. I don't really know what else to say.

PFT Commenter (150:44)

Yeah, he wanted to be a dodger because he grew up loving Jackie Robinson. Oh, that's what he said.

Big Cat (150:50)

Nice. And then my other who's back is gun girl, AKA poop girl.

PFT Commenter (150:54)

Oh, yeah, she's back.

Big Cat (150:56)

What's doing interviews again.

PFT Commenter (150:57)

I debated her one time.

Big Cat (150:58)

Yeah, you did?

PFT Commenter (150:59)

Yeah, yeah. It was. She's got hot and heavy.

Big Cat (151:01)

She's. Yeah, she says. She said, I'm back. First time on camera campus in five years.

PFT Commenter (151:05)

I didn't debate her about anything political. I debated her on whether or not she pooped her pants.

Big Cat (151:09)

Ah.

PFT Commenter (151:09)

I took the position of yes, she did.

Big Cat (151:11)

And she said no.

PFT Commenter (151:12)

Yeah. I won the debate.

Big Cat (151:13)

Yeah. She said, stay tuned for some wild conversations about transgenderism and abortion at usf.

PFT Commenter (151:19)

Great.

Big Cat (151:19)

Awesome.

PFT Commenter (151:20)

That sounds fun.

Big Cat (151:21)

I saw. I. I saw it because. Someone quote you. It was like her face looks like when you eat mushrooms and you're. You look at yourself in the mirror. Mirror. I thought that was funny.

PFT Commenter (151:31)

Yeah.

Big Cat (151:32)

All right.

PFT Commenter (151:32)

I'm glad she's back.

Big Cat (151:33)

Welcome back. Okay. Good show, boys. What a week we got coming up.

PFT Commenter (151:37)

Huge week.

Big Cat (151:39)

What a week we got coming up. Max.

PFT Commenter (151:41)

Let's. Let's just agree that this week a lot of stuff is going to be said. There's no. But after that, just a lot of stuff is going to be said this week.

Max (151:49)

That's it. I'm like, not look. Yeah. This is not.

Big Cat (151:52)

I mean, you're not. You're not in a. Like, you just need the game to kick off. Off. Because you're not. Well, you're not in exactly a. I'm going to say that you versus PFT in a battle of words, wits.

Max (152:05)

I'm.

Big Cat (152:05)

It's not going. It's not going to go your way. Yeah.

PFT Commenter (152:08)

You're calling for daddy. You want daddy to fly. You're trying to fly out Roan.

Big Cat (152:11)

Facts, you need Ron.

Max (152:13)

Facts.

Big Cat (152:14)

You need him. I.

PFT Commenter (152:15)

For the record, I do not want Roan to fly out. Not because I don't like getting, you know, hanging out with Roan and being with them. Ron scares me.

Big Cat (152:25)

You need Ron.

PFT Commenter (152:26)

And Big Dom scare me.

Big Cat (152:27)

You need Ron bad. Real bad. Real, real bad.

Max (152:31)

I mean the words doesn't really if the Eagles. It's just whoever wins.

Big Cat (152:34)

Yeah. But will give you support to feel like you can fight a fight and then like the backup is Connor Griffin.

PFT Commenter (152:41)

Yeah.

Max (152:42)

No, no. Yeah. I love Connor Griffin. I love Connor Griffin. Is there but anything else that we said no butts.

Big Cat (152:52)

We did say no.

PFT Commenter (152:53)

But I mean also Pug's here.

Big Cat (152:54)

Pug is here. Eagles fan.

PFT Commenter (152:56)

Pug, you want to talk?

Big Cat (152:58)

No. No. It's NFC east respect. We respect each other.

PFT Commenter (153:02)

Love that. Love that. Pug.

Big Cat (153:04)

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Max (153:58)

Yes.

Big Cat (154:00)

What do you got?

PFT Commenter (154:04)

Honestly, I will take that loss if.

Big Cat (154:07)

It means OSU lose loses tomorrow. That's probably not gonna happen. Yikes.

Hank (154:14)

I know.

Big Cat (154:15)

Who. Who did you think you were making that deal with? I don't know.

PFT Commenter (154:21)

Like, if this is the universe's plan, then you're kind of okay with it.

Big Cat (154:25)

You. I mean, we did establish that God is an awl, so maybe you can tell him right now, like, hey, dude, I really need you to get OSU to lose. So Lions are obviously second behind Michigan football. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, man, that was really sad coming out of your mouth, dude, because like OSU's probably gonna win and then you're gonna have Lions loss and then. Yeah, it's gonna be a rough week. That's a hell of a cope that he's in right now. Yeah, like you see, you went, you went to bed on Saturday night, you're like, well, at least this probably means that OSU is going to lose.

PFT Commenter (154:58)

There's a chance all the bad things can happen.

Big Cat (155:03)

Oh, man. All right, I'm rooting for Notre Dame now for your sake.

PFT Commenter (155:06)

Thank you. It's funny that Notre Dame is like the plucky underdog.

Big Cat (155:11)

Yeah. America's rooting for Notre Dame.

PFT Commenter (155:13)

Nobody believes in them.

Big Cat (155:14)

Okay, numbers 17, 5, 8, 3, 99, PO 11, 45, 21, 85.

PFT Commenter (155:37)

Love you guys. Sa.