NFL Trade Deadline, The Jets Trade Everyone, CFP Rankings, Johnny Fanta Talking College Ball Plus Listener Submitted Pardon Your Takes

Summary

Pardon My Take – Episode Summary

Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter
Main Guests: Johnny Fanta (NBC Sports)
Topics: NFL Trade Deadline, Jets’ Fire Sale, CFP Rankings, College Ball, Hot Seat/Cool Throne, Listener Takes

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed episode captures peak sports chaos: the NFL trade deadline delivered rare blockbuster trades, including the New York Jets blowing up their roster and their dedicated fan Memes processing the carnage live on air. The crew dives into the first College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings, debates college basketball’s opening chaos, and welcomes NBC’s Johnny Fanta (“Johnny Football/Basketball”) to analyze both seasons. Along with quick-hitting Hot Seat/Cool Throne takes and classic “Pardon Your Takes” from listeners, this episode stays unpredictable, hilarious, and sharply opinionated.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. NFL Trade Deadline Mayhem – [03:31–23:38]

• Jets Blow It Up:
  • Real-time reactions from Memes about the Jets trading Sauce Gardner (to the Colts for two 1st rounders) and Quinnen Williams (to the Cowboys).
  • Memes: “They turned two players into potentially six. It’s just sad because you want people to come into your organization. You want them to be Jets for life.” [05:12]
  • The group processes: Can the Jets hit on these picks? Is this déjà vu of the last failed rebuild after the Zach Wilson picks?
  • Notable Quote: Big Cat sums up why the reset is necessary: “You’re one in seven with them. The Quinnen Williams record, unfortunately on the Jets, was like 30 and 61 with zero playoff appearances since he was drafted.” [06:01]
• Jerry Jones & The Cowboys:
  • Big Cat calls Jerry Jones “the loser” of the deadline for overpaying for Quinnen Williams and not maximizing Micah Parsons’ value. “It feels like Jerry Jones should have gotten more for Micah Parsons… Double loser for Jerry Jones.” [07:49]
• How It Feels to Be a Jets Fan:
  • Memes’ arc: from stunned silence to trying to muster optimism over future draft capital: “This is a huge two-year plan. It’s just about vibes now.” [10:44]

2. Wild Tangents – Stadiums, Wind Turbines, and Vibes – [01:59–11:04]

• Stadium quirks (pirate ship in Tampa Bay, “weird stadiums”).
• Extended debate about wind turbines’ impact on the ocean and whales, a signature PMT tangent.
  • “I don’t know enough about any of this to give you a confident take. Can I just say that?” – Big Cat [09:53]
  • Zach on wind turbines: “The ones in the ocean are bad. Indiana ones might be bad.” [10:56]

3. College Football Playoff (CFP) First Rankings – [23:48–29:08]

• Rankings: OSU, Indiana, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia in the top 5.
• Main controversies: Notre Dame ranked over Texas/Oklahoma, Miami low despite beating ND, ACC likely left out.
• Quote: “It doesn’t make sense to me why Notre Dame is ahead of those two teams. But again, it doesn’t really matter—it will all figure itself out.” – Big Cat [27:06]
• Fun at the “what-ifs” of possible playoff teams and cannibalization scenarios.

4. College Hoops Is Back! – [29:08–39:09]

• Red Panda performing at United Center is a major moment.
• PMT crew debate when Red Panda “actually came back.”
• Johnny Fanta teases big college hoops storylines—“Freshman class is the biggest story in basketball this year.” [124:15]

5. Monday Night Football & TV Streaming Rant – [45:16–54:11]

• YouTube TV/ESPN carriage disputes: “It’s absolute bullshit. ESPN, fuck you.” – Big Cat [46:07]
• Rant about how hard it’s become just to watch football: “Sports should be free. That’s my take.” – PFT Commenter [47:51]
• Cowboys’ failed aggression, Cardinals’ play-action clinic, and musings on Kyler Murray’s future.
• “We’re just living off the high of never being more correct than when we said we still believed in Baker and Darnold in 2021.” – Big Cat [51:08]

6. Packers’ Coaching & PMT Circular Logic – [55:08–58:48]

• Packers in crisis, Matt LaFleur’s “brokenness,” and whether back-to-back losses doom them.
• Circular debate: who wants to win certain games and how ties would settle hypothetical arguments.
• “We will beat you down, make circular arguments that make no sense, and then we will win.” – Big Cat (arguing with Max) [60:33]

7. Johnny Fanta Interview – College Football & Basketball Deep-Dive – [93:34–142:04]

• Big Ten Dominance: “There’s a real national championship contender in Bloomington. That’s really cool. Coach Signetti has changed everything.” – Johnny Fanta [94:16]
• Is Indiana a Football or Basketball School?
  • “Indiana will always be a basketball school first.” – Johnny Fanta [98:42]
• Dabo Sweeney’s Future: Could he pull a “Calipari-to-Arkansas” move and leave Clemson? “The marriage has run its course.” – Johnny Fanta [101:50]
• CFP Subjectivity: “The playoff committee is going to like Notre Dame—even if Miami beat them head-to-head.” – Big Cat, teasing NBC homerism [108:13]
• Big Ten Prediction: “Ohio State has absolutely dominated—best defense in 25 years.” [113:34]
• College Basketball Top 3: “Purdue, Houston, Arizona—reward them. Purdue has all the pieces to finally do it.” – Johnny Fanta [118:57]
• Freshman Phenoms: Cameron Boozer, Darren Peterson, and a stacked class could reshape the tourney landscape.
• Big East Rivalry Is Back: “This UConn vs. St. John’s thing—there’s real tension. It’s about to explode.” [128:09]

8. Hot Seat/Cool Throne – [69:47–92:09]

• Hot Seats: John Morant (“lost his joy”), Mick Cronin (“I’d like to fire myself”), sports podcasters (fear of AI hot-take robots).
  • “When this [AI] comes out, we’re going to have to John Henry vs the machine.” – PFT Commenter [78:06]
• Cool Thrones: Tom Brady cloning his dog, college kids in Hawaii, outdoor YouTube heroes returning from retirement, Kevin Stefanski off the hook for Browns play-calling.

9. Listener “Pardon Your Takes” – [146:36–151:55]

• Creative or hot listener-submitted sports takes dissected by the crew.
• “Comebacks aren’t that impressive—it’s your fault for falling behind.” – Listener take [149:07]
• “Why don’t two-point conversion stats count?” [150:09]

10. Notable Quotes & Classic PMT Moments

• “We just got to sell more beer and maybe get some more players.” – Big Cat, on Wisconsin football funding their NIL with record stadium beer sales [86:47]
• “Johnny Fanta, do you hate the Big East, and do you hate Italians?” – Max, needling the interview [125:27]
• **“I have not yet begun to be wrong…Anything we say that’s wrong from here on out, it’s to get AI off the scent.” – Big Cat, on AI hot take robots [80:19]

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Notable Listener/Host Interactions

• Live, Gutted Jets Fan Reaction (Memes):
  • “They had him signed till 2030…They got two first-round picks. That’s a lot, but…this means everyone is available. That’s not good.” [143:15–144:44]
• Max’s Jealousy over the Mullet: A classic PMT tangent: “Jealous of your balls.” – Max to PFT, after he debuts a new mullet [42:15]
• Wind Turbines, Clones, and Golf: The crew detours into everything from the environmental impacts of wind turbines to Hugh Freeze allegedly preferring golf over coaching. [9:35–12:32, 83:00–84:43]

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Recurring Themes & Running Jokes

• Draft pick “hopeium” vs. reality
• Hot/Cool Takes about Packers' fandom, circular arguments about who should want which NFC teams to win
• Deep, sincere sports misery (Jets, Browns, Commanders)
• PMT’s signature: jumping from sports breakdowns to bizarre, hilarious asides (stadium pirate ships, cloned dogs, outdoor boys’ YouTube content, etc.)
• Back-and-forth about College Football Playoff committee’s hypocrisy and narratives

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For First-Time Listeners:

This episode captures the essence of Pardon My Take: chaotic sports news, strong and wrong opinions, emotionally invested fans (especially Jets and Browns), irreverent humor, and an ability to pivot from deep-dive analysis to ridiculous sidebars with zero warning. The Johnny Fanta segment delivers NCAA coverage with heart, while the first half leans into NFL heartbreak, trade drama, and PMT’s eternal optimism about future picks.

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Timestamps of Importance

• [04:22] – Memes' evolving reaction to the Jets trades
• [07:49] – Jerry Jones as deadline loser
• [23:48] – CFP rankings analysis
• [45:16] – Sports streaming rant
• [93:34] – Johnny Fanta Interview (CFB & Hoops)
• [146:36] – Listener takes and outro

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Tone & Language

The show trades in locker-room camaraderie, sarcasm, and passionate rants. When guests are present (like Johnny Fanta), the PMT duo let their genuine curiosity for college sports shine. Throughout, the banter is fast-paced, self-deprecating, and referential to deep sports lore.

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Memorable Moment

“You just have to go off vibes. Vibes. I’m gonna say wind turbines are good, but I don’t know…now I’m thinking they’re bad.”
— Big Cat, [10:44]

“This is actually the start of a bad...yeah, this is not gonna be good.”
— PFT Commenter, as Memes learns Sauce Gardner's been traded, [143:21]

"When this comes out, we're gonna have to do a John Henry vs the machine against this AI bot to prove that humans are still superior."
— PFT Commenter, [78:06]

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Bottom Line

If you want big NFL takes amid real-time chaos, college ball intrigue, deranged tangents, and hilarious sports fan pain, this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Eligibility and member terms apply on today's.

[Big Cat]

Part of my take presented by DraftKings. We've got a packed show. We got our guy, Johnny Fanta. Johnny Football, Johnny Basketball. We're going to talk some college football with him. We're going to talk some college basketball. Which is back. We have the NFL trade deadline and the jets have dismantled their team. We're gonna get memes reaction. We get double memes reaction. We have his instant reaction at the end of the show when we were taping earlier in the day with Sauce Gardner. And now we're gonna get maybe a little bit more of a nuanced, sober headed memes reaction. We've been gassing.

[PFT Commenter]

We've been gassing memes up all day. We have, I think, I think we got memes in a correct headspace for this take.

[Big Cat]

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[Zach]

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[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Shane]

Okay, you can get in.

[Big Cat]

That's fire.

[Zach]

And get in for $251.

[PFT Commenter]

They do have a pirate ship inside the stadium.

[Big Cat]

Shots fired.

[Zach]

It's just, it's, it's, it's weird.

[Big Cat]

It's weird.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Your comment, Zach.

[Shane]

Not weird. You guys don't have a pirate ship or anything similar?

[Zach]

We have something better.

[Big Cat]

We have needs.

[Zach]

The pirate ship is trying.

[Big Cat]

Just to be clear, Bill Belichick, Jordan. Not weird. Buccaneers member. Oh, no, what was it?

[PFT Commenter]

Tom Brady.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's right. No. Tom Brady talking to teams and calling the games while owning a team. Not weird. The Raymond James stadium weird. Correct. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Tom Brady cloning his dog weird, not weird.

[Zach]

We haven't talked about that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we have. We will talk about that. Take the guess. We're going to buying NFL tickets with gametime. Download the Game Time app, create an account, use code PMT for $20 off. First purchase terms apply again. Create an account and redeem code PMT for $20 off. Swipe, tap Ticket. Go download the GameTime app today. Okay. Let's go. Hey, football guy. Patino award.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Welcome to part of my take. Presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, November 5th, and the NFL trade deadline has passed and the New York jets have dismantled their team top five defense.

[PFT Commenter]

This feels like it was the one trade deadline that delivered because every other time they're like oh, get ready. It's going to be a crazy trade trade deadline and then nothing happens. You get like a third string wide receiver that gets moved for a fifth round pick and that's about it. Hank just shook his head when, when I said this. This was a crazy trade deadline.

[Big Cat]

Well, the Patriots did nothing, didn't deliver for me, didn't do anything. So the beauty of this is we, we taped a lot of the show earlier in the day and to start, pardon your take, we have literally the moment that Sauce Gardner got traded in memes reaction where I think it was just. He was just staring and, and, and didn't know what to say.

[Zach]

Some insane breaking moves and pardon your.

[Big Cat]

Jake insane breaking news memes. You now have had a few hours to digest everything. The the. The jets have traded Sauce Gardner for two first round picks. The jets then traded Quinn and Williams for a first round pick to the Cowboys. How are you feeling now? I know that the rebuild you just did this three years ago and you're doing it again and you also. I want, I want to have my guy memes back real quick. He got fired on Madden for this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No memes is Sam Hanke.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You remember what happened with the 76ers? Like they crucified Sam Hanke for doing the right thing. They booed Memes because he was wrong. They fired him. They thought he was wrong. And guess what, Memes? Turns out you were right. You were more right than anybody. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So how you feeling?

[Memes]

Feeling great, actually, right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Memes]

They turned two players into potentially six. It's just sad because you want people to come into your organization. You want them to be jets for life. We thought we had that with Quinn Williams. Thought we had that with Sauce Garner.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Memes]

And unfortunately it's just time to rebuild again.

[Big Cat]

Do you think you'll get players as good as Quinn and Williams and Sauce Gardner with those six picks? That's pretty much the question. Or those three picks that you got?

[Memes]

I think so. I just. I just think they didn't want to waste their prime on two back to back losing seasons because we've already established next season's also going to suck because schedule.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this is part of the two year plan, but it's your plan.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you're close to it. You just. It wouldn't do you guys any good to have those players on your team. That's what the concern for you guys is.

[Memes]

Yeah. Because you're one. You're one in seven with them.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

And they're. The Quinn and Williams record, unfortunately on the jets was like 30 and 61 with zero playoff appearances since he was drafted. So you just gotta. You gotta try something new.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's huge for the Colts. Colts got a lot better.

[Memes]

Yeah, there's a mass for the Colts. Sauce is still having a good year even though people claim he's a holding merchant.

[PFT Commenter]

But who claims that?

[Memes]

The Internet.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, well, you should stop reading the Internet sometimes. Yeah.

[Memes]

No, Sauce. Sauce is still really good. He's just wasting his prime and you just need pass rushers to rebuild from instead of corner.

[PFT Commenter]

So memes, this is the two year plan that you set forth because right now you're stock next year and then 20, 27, which many people are calling maybe the best draft class of all time. I read that take online a few times today. You're going to be stocked with picks. You got a haul. I would even say memes. I dare say fleeced. I think you fleeced the cow.

[Memes]

I would say fleece too. It's just the. The sad part is it's the same exact thing as three years ago. You have three. Three first round picks, you have two, you have two next year, three the year after. But it was. It's the same as the Zach Wilson right into the three pitch.

[Big Cat]

Right. And. And the Quinn Williams trade, that is a fleecing. I don't know why the Cowboys are doing that. The Cowboys. We're going to talk about Monday Night Football in a second. The Cowboys. It makes no sense why Jerry Jones thinks this is the team that he should go all in on.

[PFT Commenter]

All in, my ass.

[Big Cat]

It also made me think the Micah Parsons trade was actually a steal for the packers because Sauce. Micah Parsons is more impactful than Sauce Gardner. They went for the same amount.

[Shane]

Right.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if there was more picks.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they upgraded a pick.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I think one pick might have been upgraded in that. But, yeah, ultimately, Jerry Jones, like, if this was his master plan. I don't. I don't really understand the master plan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Jerry Jones, my. My way of saying this is. Jerry Jones is the big loser in all of this because he traded for a guy in it on a season that things aren't going well. And then also watched. Micah Parsons should have gone. Michael Parsons should have gone. If you do went Michael Parsons in and Sauce Gardner, who goes for more.

[Zach]

Are you saying.

[Max]

Do you mean Quinn and Williams or Sauce Gardner?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm saying double loser for Jerry Jones because he traded for Quinn and Williams for seemingly no reason. And also Sauce Gardner went for two picks. And I. Obviously, contracts are different. Sauce Gardener's under contract. Right. Michael Parsons had to sign a new contract. But still, that, like, it feels like Jerry Jones should have gotten more for Micah Parsons is my. My big point. I would say loser Jerry Jones.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say that's an absolutely fair take about that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So it means, although it's painful right now, this was the right thing to do. This is right. You had to do it.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah. You had to do it. You're one in seven with him. And he got A.D. mitchell back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Even though culture.

[Big Cat]

I saw somebody say he went AD Mitchell.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's tough.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What, you got into it with Colts fans. How'd that go?

[Memes]

It went okay. I just told people like, you live in Indiana.

[PFT Commenter]

Good day.

[Big Cat]

Okay, nice. And then what? I love Indianapolis. I think it's a great city. Underrated city. We do go there a lot.

[Memes]

Memes.

[Big Cat]

That's okay.

[PFT Commenter]

But that's. That's still a very fair thing for memes to say in the moment. Like, yeah, you're mad online. And so, yeah. You're entitled.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They got turbo.

[Big Cat]

What do you think about.

[Memes]

They got wind turbines.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Renewable energy. In. In your face. What about Diana Rossini? How did you feel how she handled Winter Sham. What?

[PFT Commenter]

Sorry.

[Big Cat]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Zach]

Wind turbines, like, hurt more than they help.

[PFT Commenter]

Go on.

[Zach]

Especially in the ocean.

[PFT Commenter]

Ocean.

[Big Cat]

The ocean. The whales, they don't think about the.

[Zach]

Whales or any of the animals. And if, if the wind turbines, like, break, then it up the entire ocean ecosystem.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about offshore drilling out?

[Big Cat]

I'll say this. I don't know enough about any of this to give you a confident take. Is that fair? Yeah. Like wind turbines. I said, hey, give me a take. Good or bad. I'd be like, I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I have a take about wind turbines.

[Zach]

They're not good.

[PFT Commenter]

If we're going to keep building them, we should build them the same way that the Dutch built them back in, like, the 1400s.

[Big Cat]

What has changed?

[Zach]

The wooden ones building wind turbines.

[PFT Commenter]

The wooden ones with the nice shingles on them.

[Max]

We can't get on. We can't get on.

[Big Cat]

Memes did start it. And Hanks. I, I, I'll look into it. Hank, you know what? I always give you things you got to look into and reports you have to come back. I'm gonna look into wind turbines for you, and I'm gonna let you know my thoughts.

[Memes]

You just gotta go to Indiana.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think that Jerry Jones.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if they're good or bad. I just look at them and know if they're good or bad.

[Memes]

Yeah. Make a determination.

[Big Cat]

So we're just going off vibes. Off vibes? Vibes. I'm gonna say they're good, but I don't. Hank's giving up. Give me facts about all the ocean being all the animals. So now I'm thinking they're bad.

[Zach]

I know the ocean ones are bad. Maybe the.

[Max]

Let's reel it back in here, boy.

[Zach]

The ones in the Atlantic Ocean bad. Indiana one's my bad.

[Big Cat]

We're doing a little idiot jazz. I was, I was.

[Max]

I know, I know. I think we've done enough.

[Johnny Fanta]

Let's get back to football.

[PFT Commenter]

This is the trade deadline analysis you get from Hank for the Patriots. Don't do anything. Meme started.

[Big Cat]

Memes did start it.

[PFT Commenter]

One thing you were.

[Max]

You, you went into, like a. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Just said they are bad.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I did appreciate what Jerry Jones said, though. He did an interview on Serious on Monday, and he said what? What you have is a little bit of my philosophy controversy. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. Not serial killing. Not that. But controversy.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

The Dallas Cowboys probably have the kind of interest that we have in no small part because we stay out front and we stay controversial when it Gets slow. I, I stir that shit up. That's a great, Great Jerry. He's 100% right.

[Big Cat]

Gets a little slow. He gets in there and starts stirring shit up. All right, memes, how do you think Diana Rossini, our good friend, award winning journalist, I don't know if she actually has won an awards, but she, you know what?

[PFT Commenter]

I think she won. Take.

[Big Cat]

She won an award for her journalism with Max on the airplane. So award winning journalist Diana Rossini, how would you say she handled today?

[Memes]

I think she found out information from other teams and reported on it.

[Big Cat]

Okay. We aren't mad about the dismantling of the top five defense. You, I think you. I heard you saying she's getting text directly from Joe Douglas.

[Memes]

Yeah, I mean, that's obvious.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say Robert Sala also.

[Big Cat]

Robert Sala.

[PFT Commenter]

That seems like.

[Memes]

I don't think, I don't think Bob cares.

[PFT Commenter]

I think, I think he cares a little bit.

[Memes]

It could be his brother.

[Big Cat]

I think Joe Douglas probably cares more than Bob Sala because, I mean, Howie.

[Memes]

Howie Roseman said he was just like, good luck. He said that. He said that to me at, when we were at the Eagles thing. He said, oh, you want to talk to Joe Douglas, good luck with the jets. And then just left.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's good reporting by memes.

[Big Cat]

Great reporting.

[PFT Commenter]

So we actually did. I FaceTimed Diana to have her say a little word of encouragement to memes and she actually just made it so much worse. She just, she just kept digging.

[Memes]

She just kept wrong. Instantly proven wrong.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[Memes]

She's like, oh, hearing a deal for Breeze hall. Done. And then it was immediate. Breece Hall's not being memes.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, she was just saying that to make. That's literally what she was doing. She just kept saying things to make memes more and more and it worked to her credit. Memes. I'm glad that you're thinking better of it. I had a crazy idea today. We've talked about this, I think before, but I think the jets are in a position looking at the 2027 draft where they could pull this off. They have how many first round picks? Three. Five first round picks in 2027.

[Memes]

Oh, 2027. Three.

[PFT Commenter]

They have three first round picks. Why don't, why don't they draft hypothetically saying. And Underwood. Yeah. And then like the jets, you need a quarterback. It's been a long time since you've had a quarterback. This is the time I would do it. If I were the Jets, I'd say it. And then I just trade the one that doesn't get the starting job.

[Memes]

So do what Washington did.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but two first round picks, Use them all on quarterback Kirk Cousins.

[Memes]

I mean, in theory.

[PFT Commenter]

Kirk Cousins had a long career, Bill.

[Big Cat]

Look how it's working for the Browns. They took two quarterbacks in this draft.

[Memes]

Not in the first round.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know, but it's still double.

[PFT Commenter]

Up, maybe even it. Let's get crazy. Let's take three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Take one late. Shane, Shane, Shane. Shane also was in the trade deadline. He got an offensive lineman. I just had one question for Shane, the Chargers. Shane, our Chargers fan. Shane, you got Trey Penning from the New Orleans Saints. Why were you googling Trey Penning bad guy?

[PFT Commenter]

Cuz I remembered a couple years ago there's something that happened at training camp where he got kicked out for like a week straight of just like ensuing.

[Big Cat]

Violence upon the opposing team at the training camp.

[Zach]

So just.

[Big Cat]

And what did you find out?

[PFT Commenter]

He did do that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I don't think.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think that's a bad thing.

[Big Cat]

Are you happy you got offensive line help?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm happy we have people who are alive.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Play the position of offensive line. Are you going to Romeo Dobbs us Joe Walts in a better place.

[Max]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

There's no worse place in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Than on the offensive line of the Los Angeles Chargers. So he's not in a better place?

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, he is.

[Big Cat]

He's not on it right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. Thank you, Shane. That was it.

[PFT Commenter]

Good analysis.

[Big Cat]

It was just very funny because Quigs got a little gotcha culture going around barstool sports. It was just Shane Googling Trey Penning bad guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Shane. He's just been saying all day he's alive. Trey Penning is an alive man. And say it's also big upgrade.

[Big Cat]

They traded Rashid Shahid.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that, love that. For Seattle.

[Big Cat]

Seattle's good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And Chris Olave. Did not get traded. Breeze Hall. Did not get traded.

[PFT Commenter]

Did not get traded.

[Big Cat]

I feel bad for Breeze Hall. He wanted out so bad. All his friends left. Now he's like, how do you. How. If you're on the jets, how do you get. How do you get up for this game?

[PFT Commenter]

We're talking about the sad smiley that Breeze tweeted out. Yeah. And memes is like, you gotta trade the guy if he does a sad smiley. I think, I think the sad smiley was because his friends are gone.

[Zach]

What about the. The giffy tweeted when it was like the guy waiting at a door, like.

[PFT Commenter]

Peeking behind, seeing if he was going to get traded.

[Zach]

And they deleted it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I just. Maybe they. Maybe they didn't get a good enough offer. I feel like third round pick, you probably make that move. Memes.

[Memes]

Yeah. I think the best one they got was a fourth round memes.

[Big Cat]

This is also like, you have. I know that Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams were good players, but now you have could be hall of Famers. You never know what a draft pick is.

[PFT Commenter]

You got five for you just get.

[Big Cat]

Excited about draft picks. Like, this draft pick could be something even better.

[Memes]

Yeah. And they did get the better of the Cowboys pick in 2027.

[Big Cat]

Oh, nice.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So if either the packers or Cowboys, whoever's worse, that's who they get. And Jerry Jones can't trade any of those picks next year either.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

They have to wait to see what the pick is.

[PFT Commenter]

Brick did it again.

[Big Cat]

Damn, that's some good GMing.

[Max]

I also said, like, that makes draft day so much fun.

[Big Cat]

Oh, like, yeah.

[Max]

Like, that whole prep just made like you just have months of like fun, fun football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're like, draft day is about you.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Memes]

It's drafting. He's always been about me.

[Big Cat]

I understand.

[Max]

But this is extra about you.

[Big Cat]

When the Bears had the first and ninth pick or whatever it was, it was awesome. It's like, oh, my God. We. What are we going to do?

[Memes]

I don't. I don't like that. That spin zone of it, but okay.

[PFT Commenter]

You're going to love it during the draft.

[Big Cat]

I love you as a brother.

[PFT Commenter]

You're going to be so pumped up in the draft.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, wait, you're going to Memes. Imagine how many mock drafts you're going to go through. You're here. This might make you happy. Think about how mad you're going to get at some of the mock drafters out there. Yeah, you're going to love that.

[Big Cat]

Memes. Think about late April this year and next year we have Todd McShay on the show, and the first question of our mouth is, what are the jets gonna do? Don't laugh, Hank. We're pumping them up. Yeah, that will be the question. What are the jets gonna do? They have every pick in the first round.

[Memes]

That's 2027-2027-2027-2026. Yeah, that'll be fun. 2,027 will be fun.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so there you go.

[Memes]

I'm with you.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

You only trade away two players.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think it was. You'll hear the shock of the Sauce Gardner trade later on in the show where Memes. I think he was like, we're going to trade everyone.

[Memes]

No, I. I thought they were. I thought they were going to trade everyone.

[Big Cat]

Right, Right. And that didn't happen.

[Memes]

No, the. The biggest thing with that group is just. They're the what if group. And it was just completely ruined by Zach Wilson and they didn't keep Sam.

[Big Cat]

Darnold and Aaron Rodgers zinc or.

[Memes]

And Aaron Rodgers Achilles.

[PFT Commenter]

I did like how memes. Initial reaction. Right when the news was breaking, he tweeted back to back gifs. He just means he just memes his way through it. He tweeted the Michael Scott meme and then he tweeted after, like a couple minutes of thinking it through the Alonzo morning. I'm pissed off. Maybe this is good meme. It showed. It showed you going through the stages of grief.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Telling it through me, through memes.

[PFT Commenter]

It was a beautiful thing to watch.

[Memes]

No, it's a great trade. It's just. You just want those guys on your team forever.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And if it is better because you're getting out now, you will never get a better package for Sauce Garner than that.

[PFT Commenter]

How quickly do you think he's going to get a deal with St. Elmo Steakhouse?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

For the cocktail sauce. Oh, yeah, Cocktail sauce.

[Big Cat]

Already done.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Maybe we'll play golf with Sauce over the summer.

[PFT Commenter]

And Indy, your favorite.

[Big Cat]

Meet him. We'll meet him in the middle. That'd be cool.

[Memes]

That'd be cool. He's a cool guy. Yeah, he's a cool guy.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Memes]

I just need Indianapolis, Bream Bay, and Dallas to all suck.

[Zach]

Okay, well, that.

[Big Cat]

Let's do it.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Any other trade deadline. Hank, you're pissed. You guys didn't do anything. Yeah.

[Zach]

Weird. I was just waiting, especially after the. The sauce news.

[Big Cat]

It was like, all right, other teams are loading up.

[Zach]

Give us Breeze. Announced Breeze.

[Big Cat]

I do think the Colts like that announce.

[Zach]

Kamara. I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened behind the scenes. It's just they're now in a spot where they have to stay healthy and, you know, I just hope it's not one of those things in. In January where you're like, I wish we had made a move at the deadline for a defensive player or running back.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about wide receiver?

[Zach]

I like our wide receiver of corpse.

[PFT Commenter]

Your corpse.

[Zach]

Corpse.

[PFT Commenter]

Solid corpse. I. I like that the Jags got Jacoby Meyer. Yeah, that was good, but I just don't. I have no idea who the Raiders are going to be throwing passes to. Obviously.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's building the whole team out of Brock.

[PFT Commenter]

The entire offense is going to be Brock.

[Big Cat]

What do you say, Max? Oh, yeah, Max. You got some.

[Max]

Yeah, I mean.

[Big Cat]

I mean, how he did it again.

[Max]

So good that it doesn't even matter. He just does it again and everyone's like, oh, whatever, it's Howie.

[Big Cat]

Jalen Phillips.

[Max]

Jalen Phillips, very good edge rusher. Exactly what we needed. We gave up a third round pick and if he's really good, we'll just get a third round pick back.

[Big Cat]

Wow. How he did it again.

[Max]

How he did it again.

[Big Cat]

That's how you do it.

[Max]

Yeah. No win right now. Go play some football. Nolan Smith coming back. Jalen Phillips added, we got a bunch of corners. That kind of shit, but maybe one of them can be good.

[PFT Commenter]

Must win Monday.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Everything's a must, you know. It's a must win for the Packers. It is just a fact. It's not a can't lose. I mean, it's a must win for the Packers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The Bears got a first round pick from 2021. Joe Tyrone. Shoyinka. He was on the Browns. He was the first round pick, the last pick in the first round from the Bucks in 2021. But that's a first round pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. First round pick. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He has zero stats this year, but it doesn't matter. It's a first round pick.

[PFT Commenter]

He's rested.

[Big Cat]

You got a first round pick grade on this guy?

[PFT Commenter]

Healthy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Low mileage. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, we haven't. We. We need anybody on. On the defensive line.

[PFT Commenter]

So I was just glad to see trades happen at the trade deadline.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know that Howie was feening like once he started, he saw the picks flying around.

[Big Cat]

But how he did it all before.

[PFT Commenter]

But still you thought. He thought his job was done. Then he sees these picks going all around and he's like, come on, maybe just one. Maybe just small trade.

[Big Cat]

I feel. Go ahead.

[Johnny Fanta]

I feel like the fact that he.

[Max]

Did it before and then all the picks started flying around. He was like, I did it without flying around a bunch of picks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

He did it before. Before the pick started flying.

[Big Cat]

I feel like the Ravens got some good. They just got bodies. They made like three or four trades. Got some depth.

[PFT Commenter]

They'll need those.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they'll need some bodies. Just trade for some bodies. Okay. Should we talk? Yeah, they got edge.

[Johnny Fanta]

Rusher.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. From Tennessee. So they got some bodies. Dramont Jones. That would be good. Good for them. Ravens are gonna go to the playoffs. I think we all agree. Yeah, they're good. They're a Playoff team. Okay, real quick. The college football rankings are out. The 12 teams in the playoffs, if they started right now, would be Ohio State 1. Indiana 2. Texas A&M 3. Alabama 4, Georgia 5. Ole Miss 6 BYU 7 Texas Tech 8 Oregon 9. Notre Dame 10, Texas 11, Oklahoma 12. So big takeaways from this one. Also that is wrong because Oklahoma would not be in. It would be Memphis. Who's the highest ranked group of five team as of right now. Big takeaways number one. They love Notre Dame. That was the biggest takeaway because Notre Dame and I, I think Notre Dame's very good. I think Notre Dame is a top, is a playoff worthy team. But Notre Dame came in at 10. Miami, who beat Notre Dame in the first week of the season, came in at 18. Guess it doesn't really matter. It's, you know, it just doesn't matter. The game that was played does not matter anymore. And more egregious than that I would say because Miami has faltered and the SMU loss was bad and all that stuff. They're 12 and a half point favorites. The bigger thing is that Notre Dame is ranked ahead of both Texas and Oklahoma which didn't make a ton of sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. But if those teams continue to win, I feel like they could jump Notre Dame.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, none of this matters right now. It's more like hey, we're. The big takeaway is the ACC is fucked. The ACC is going to get one team in. Yeah. The ACC's top ranked team was Virginia at 14. Now the ACC also has a bunch of cannibalization that could take place. Virginia is at the top of the ACC right now. They're undefeated in conference. They're 8 and 1 overall. Their only loss being to NC State which was a non conference game. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Remember that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They played a non conference. They have a two year non conference scheduling. Virginia and NC State. So they're five and only accident. See their one loss being to NC State.

[PFT Commenter]

I do like that we're gonna have.

[Big Cat]

Very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I, I like that the matchups that we get before the playoff starts that are technically kind of playoff games. Like you could make the argument that there's one this weekend. Yeah, byu, Texas Tech.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. That is, that could be a playoff game. That probably is a playoff game.

[Big Cat]

That will be interesting because it will be if Texas Tech beats BYU and then they play again in the Big 12 championship and BYU beat Sex Tech then they pull both could possibly get in. There's some tricky like the O. It looks like, you know, the Big 12 will get one or two. The ACC has to basically walk a tightrope to get two in. At this point, their best chance of getting two in is weirdly enough, Georgia Tech not getting to the ACC championship game, but winning out, which would be a win against Georgia. So them not being in the ACC championship game, winner of the ACC championship game would go and Georgia Tech with only one loss and a. Because. Because you. They could. Georgia Tech lost to. I can't remember who.

[PFT Commenter]

Georgia Tech. Just.

[Big Cat]

They, they lost to NC State. NC State, that's right. They lost to NC State. There's, there's a lot of like cannibalization. Like I said, that's going to go on in the ACC.

[PFT Commenter]

And then 1 and 2. Ohio State, Indiana. I know some Indiana fans were hoping that they would get number one, but it doesn't really. In fact, I could make, I could make the argument that it might be better for Indiana to be number two. The number one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because they, they've got more of a chip now when they do play against Ohio State.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like. And maybe it's more the other way around where if Ohio State was ranked number two, then they would really have something to prove and beat the piss out of Indiana. If they played.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, so here's. Here was my big Texas, Oklahoma. And again, this is all it really. They're just putting this out here. We should also remind everyone the nice thing about the 12 team playoff is we are not sitting here arguing who is better between like if we went all the way back to the bcs, how Texas A and M is getting screwed. That's not an argument right now. You know what I mean? There's not an argument about undefeated teams. It's about, you know, the teams on the fringe. But I do think that the Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas rankings makes no sense. And I just, I'm more questioning what these old guys are doing in this conference room because Notre Dame, and again, I think Notre Dame is very good. And I, I sang after week two they're going to go to the playoff. Notre Dame's best win is against usc and their losses are Texas A and Miami. Two good losses. Right. Texas's best win is Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, both ranked 12 and 16. And their losses are against Ohio State, the number one team in Florida. Yeah, that's a bad loss. And then Oklahoma has also two ranked wins, Michigan and Tennessee, their losses against Ole Miss and Texas, both ranked teams. So it just doesn't make sense to me why Notre Dame is ahead of those two teams. But again it doesn't really matter because it will all figure itself out. If Texas runs the table, they will be very deserving to go in. They have to go play Georgia at Georgia, like Oklahoma has the hardest schedule in the world. The interesting thing will be if Oklahoma finishes nine and three, could they somehow get in because of their schedule is so hard and they had to run a gauntlet. But it will all figure itself out. It's fun to have rankings, fun to see what it could possibly be. The bracket out. It's just fun.

[PFT Commenter]

I love seeing Iowa in there, too. I was pissed off when Iowa was not in the top 25.

[Big Cat]

AP socks.

[PFT Commenter]

AP sucks. It stinks. It doesn't make any sense. Sometimes some of the people don't watch the games, which is some. I think some AP voters don't actually even look at the scores of the games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They just get their ballot. Yeah. And they go off vibes. Yeah. Which honest. Respect.

[Big Cat]

Respect.

[PFT Commenter]

Respect. It's. It's a. It's a list that's. It's meant for us to get mad at. This actually means something. I think for the most part, this one was tough to screw up too badly.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I agree. Okay. Any other. Any other college football. I mean, Miami, we. We talk about it with Johnny Fanta. I. We just got to put a reminder that when the clock turns to November. Because we were. We were high on Miami. Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

I was. And I was very high.

[Big Cat]

And they just do this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It just happens.

[PFT Commenter]

I was off that Miami pack.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it just happens.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Any. Any other thoughts about college football rankings? Hank? The last thing I had was red Pandas back officially. She came back tonight at the United Center.

[PFT Commenter]

I forgot about Red Panda.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because she got injured.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then she also. Halftime Bulls came back from 24 down. Josh Giddey back to back triple doubles. I was very wrong about Josh Giddy. He's been awesome this year. They beat the. Who'd they beat?

[PFT Commenter]

Who'd they beat back?

[Max]

So this is just gonna be the one NBA game we talk about.

[Big Cat]

Talked about two. If the Wizards had beaten the Sixers.

[Zach]

We talked about it on Hot Seat Cool Throne on Tuesday.

[PFT Commenter]

I was locked and loaded. I bought league pass in the fourth quarter of the Wizards. The Wizards Sixers game. Just in case we won so I could bring it up on Pardon My.

[Big Cat]

T died so I could live.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It was just basically, whoever could beat the Sixers.

[Zach]

Celtics beat the Sixers, actually.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's right. Oh.

[Big Cat]

In the cup.

[Zach]

Celtics.

[PFT Commenter]

We didn't talk about that in the cup.

[Big Cat]

The Cup. But yeah, Red Panda was back and Josh Giddy was awesome. And Vuch hit the big three.

[PFT Commenter]

How many points?

[Big Cat]

Watching him bead play at the end was.

[Max]

He was very good the first three quarters.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but winning time, buddy. 24. 24 point comeback. You guys didn't score a field goal in the last like four and a half minutes.

[Johnny Fanta]

All right.

[Max]

It's November.

[Big Cat]

We're just breaking down ball. We love ball here.

[Max]

Yeah, we love. Congrats on the win. Congrats on the win in November.

[Big Cat]

Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, congrats.

[Big Cat]

Josh Giddy was awesome.

[Max]

Josh Giddy, awesome.

[Big Cat]

Awesome. Triple double back to back. Pretty cool. So he had 29, 15.

[Max]

So cool.

[Big Cat]

Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think.

[Big Cat]

And Red Panda back.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think.

[Max]

Max thinks Red Panda's been back.

[Big Cat]

No, she hasn't.

[Max]

You want to bet?

[Big Cat]

When was she back?

[Max]

Amazon Stream. Before? During.

[Big Cat]

She's not that tall.

[Memes]

The game from a couple weeks.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What game?

[Memes]

The game. Richard Sherman was chucking up threes.

[Big Cat]

What game?

[Memes]

Los Angeles Chargers.

[Big Cat]

Red Panda was back for a football game. That doesn't count.

[Memes]

They were in studio.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's not. That's okay, Max.

[Johnny Fanta]

Wrong.

[Big Cat]

In studio. Yeah, no, this is her first time in front of the crowd, but she's.

[Max]

Back like she was doing it again on tv.

[Big Cat]

Wait, was that. No, that looked like that was at a game. No, that's 2024, idiot.

[Max]

Well, she was doing it in studio.

[Big Cat]

Okay, well, studio doesn't count. That was a warm up. That's preseason. I'm talking about real life, everyone. Well, half the people sitting in their seats. Half the people pisses, getting popcorn. Red pan.

[Max]

You can't even watch it on fucking league pass. So that.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean? I watched the whole game in the cave.

[Max]

No, but you can't watch Red Panda on. On league pass because you can't watch bulls on league bass.

[Big Cat]

Well, they showed some highlights. I saw her. You don't respect Red Panda.

[Johnny Fanta]

You don't respect.

[Max]

That isn't even true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it is.

[Max]

I was. I'm respecting her more. I paid attention to her work.

[Big Cat]

No, she was. She was doing.

[Max]

I paid attention to her work, which makes me Amazon. So I respect no Red Panda.

[Big Cat]

Hank, hit us with the wind turbine fact. You find anything?

[PFT Commenter]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

They might be all right.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I don't know.

[Zach]

This might be Big Turbine, though. I'm not. I don't trust the Internet.

[Big Cat]

So you have been googling it?

[Zach]

I did a little bit of research. I know the ones in the ocean are bad. Like. Like one in the Ocean off of Cape Cod collapsed and just completely fucked up the entire ecosystem.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn.

[Zach]

The ones on you love the ecosystem. Yeah, especially the aquatic ones. The ones on land. I don't have much historical research based on them.

[PFT Commenter]

What about the ones on golf courses?

[Zach]

They seem to be all right for my limited Google searching.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Also, shout out.

[Max]

You want to read that tweet for me real quick.

[Big Cat]

By the way, the return of a legend in a. In a studio.

[Max]

Dude, NBA on.

[Big Cat]

That's not a real game.

[Max]

Of a legend.

[Big Cat]

That's not a real game. You know that's not a real game. Oh, that's like Joel Embiid when he comes back to practice and then doesn't play for months and months and months.

[Max]

Oh, the return of a legend.

[Big Cat]

That's not real.

[Zach]

Turbines kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats annually through collisions.

[PFT Commenter]

Not bats.

[Big Cat]

Damn. What are we gonna do without bats? Not have Covid.

[Zach]

No, we would still have.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we still would. Absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

Pangolins.

[Big Cat]

100% true. Shout out. Last thing. Shout out. Hawaii Pacific University for D2 upsetting Boise. Crazy that their college is in a strip mall.

[PFT Commenter]

What's next to it?

[Big Cat]

A literal strip mall.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, we talk about a nail salon. Are we talking about.

[Big Cat]

That's their college.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

It's a strip mall.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that. Looks like it's got, like, an ice cream store. Probably a Mexican food place.

[Big Cat]

Their. Their gym that they played at was a former Franciscan adult day center facility. Fuck yes. And they beat Boise.

[PFT Commenter]

Good for them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, good for them. College hoops are back.

[Max]

This school looks sick.

[Johnny Fanta]

Hank.

[Max]

Hank would go to this school.

[Big Cat]

Hank would definitely go to the school. He'd flunk out of this school.

[Max]

No, it wouldn't.

[Big Cat]

No. What? No. Yeah, you would. Yeah.

[Zach]

Living in Hawaii, I become a local.

[Big Cat]

There's no way he would. He would go to class at that school. Be.

[PFT Commenter]

Oo.

[Max]

But maybe he would be, like, in such a good head space that he would just be a good place to succeed.

[Big Cat]

Real quick, what kind of.

[Zach]

What kind of majors they got?

[Big Cat]

Probably something about the ocean. Saving the ocean with the wind turbines.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's see what their tuition is.

[Zach]

Okay, this is no taking down the wind turbines.

[Big Cat]

This is a good start. That host. Yeah. Look at Barnes and Noble.

[PFT Commenter]

$33,000 a year. That looks like a bargain to just live there.

[Big Cat]

This is an awesome place.

[Max]

Looks sick.

[Big Cat]

We need an awl. Who can give us boots on the ground? What's going on here? Because this looks awesome. You just basically go to on vacation.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, they do have an ice Cream store.

[Big Cat]

Hawaii Pacific. Imagine being. Imagine being the hoops players coming back from Boise. You hit. You hit the Barnes and Noble and everyone's going crazy. Now we're just seeing a girl's dorm room. What's going on right now?

[PFT Commenter]

They're stoked on life.

[Max]

This might not even be. Is this the same school? This just says Hawaii. Dorm room.

[PFT Commenter]

Dorm room.

[Max]

Oh, Hawaii. No, I'm a idiot.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it's just the universe. No, that's Hawaii Pacific University. Yeah, that's.

[Max]

I just read that. I just read the first girls dorm room.

[PFT Commenter]

What, they got panda inner tubes there, right?

[Big Cat]

We're looking at her trash. Looks like she recycles. Shout out.

[Max]

This video could be better. Better made.

[PFT Commenter]

Not a lot.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the waterworks. They're sink.

[Max]

Was just microwave.

[Big Cat]

They got everything.

[Max]

There's way too many details in this tour.

[Johnny Fanta]

I need to.

[Max]

Like, we wanted the world.

[Big Cat]

We wanted a tour of the campus. Not.

[Max]

No, you said click on Hawaii dorm tour. There's a girl.

[PFT Commenter]

It showed her pantry. She's got snacks.

[Big Cat]

No, I wanted to. I wanted to see the. Oh, well, yeah, I guess I did say click on the. I thought it was going to be like showing all the dorms, not just one random chicks. Oh, dude, chicks love putting on lights up like. Like flashy lights right above their bed in their freshman dorm. Love it. They love that shit. Look at those lights. Light show. It's where I fell in love. Okay, that's. That's. That's everything. Why are there kids introducing it? All right. We're big Hawaii Pacific University fans. This might be our school. They're D2, though. So we're never gonna see him again.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the perfect university to care about for one day. I love it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yesterday was theirs. Also, Stephen Pearl almost lost in his opening game, which would have been very funny to Bethune Cookman.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But then he. He took a shot at the. The football program and his post game press conference. Talking about, like, how we're. We're close. We're close. We're close to being great. That was good. I. I appreciated that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's kick it back to ourselves. We're gonna talk.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, so we. We also had Duke in Texas tonight, right?

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

We talk. We're gonna talk to them. Johnny Fanta a little bit. Get ready to hear every single night of this NCAA basketball season that Carlos Boozer's son was named after. Cameron Indoor Stadium. Get ready to hear that.

[Big Cat]

He's good.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. He's.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

He's really good. But that is, that is a fact. You know what? I'm just gonna start saying people forget. People forget that Cameron Boozer was named after Cameron Indoor Stadium.

[Big Cat]

It's also a big time holy I'm old moment. Because I remember like nine years ago watching boozers, like two fat kids run around in his driveway shooting hoops. You know, now he's the one of the best players in college basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what's really me up? If you look at the birthdays for kids that are now freshmen in college.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah, what is it, 2005? No, no, seven.

[PFT Commenter]

2007.

[Big Cat]

That's when I graduated.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, 2007.

[Big Cat]

That's it.

[PFT Commenter]

Me up bad when I first saw that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'm old, okay? Yeah, but you got a new haircut.

[PFT Commenter]

Got the mullet.

[Big Cat]

We should have mentioned that at the top.

[PFT Commenter]

I got the mullet.

[Big Cat]

You're as young as your haircut.

[PFT Commenter]

I got the mullet. Rocking.

[Big Cat]

And you're looking great.

[PFT Commenter]

Third time. I'm a third time mullet haver. I had it when I was 12 years old. Had it when I was 17. 18 years old. And now we're back at 40. I just got sick. Yeah, at 40, I just got Mike Gundy. Worked for him.

[Big Cat]

Dude, I think it looks awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it looks pretty good.

[Big Cat]

It works for your body too.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you. I got, I, I got a question for you, big cat. Yeah, well, I, I decided to do the mul on Saturday and then I was at the rugby game and there were a shitload of cool looking mullets there. I've wanted a mullet. And I was finally like, okay, I'm, I'm going to do this. And then I, I was about to get it done today and I, I brought Pug out to the, the barber to, to get the behind the scenes footage. I was like, pug, I just want you to know I'm not doing this because I'm going through like a Britney Spears moment where she's having like a mental breakdown because of Jaden Daniel's elbow. I'm just deciding to cut all my hair off. Maybe that's 5% of what it is. But for the most part, I decided to do this on Saturday because I have a question.

[Zach]

What'd your mom say?

[PFT Commenter]

My mom? She does. I guess she just found out How? Mom, I got them all. She seen me. She's seen me with a mulch. Yeah, yeah, she, My mom thinks I look handsome.

[Memes]

Probably.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a question for you, big cat, regarding the mullet.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And I want you to know that you can answer this openly and honestly.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Were you upset that I didn't tell you that I was going to get a haircut?

[Big Cat]

Not at all.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

If you had cut all your hair, I would have been.

[PFT Commenter]

I just. I just. Okay. I just want to check in on that.

[Big Cat]

No, that's not. You're not changing. If you. If you had come back in here and had a buzz cut, I would have been like, dude, could. Could you give me a heads up? Like, I need to. Not that you. Not that I can tell you one way or another, but it would have been mentally me up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I saw the mullet. I was like, this rocks. I think we. We had it live on the yak. I was like, that's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I see. I. I didn't know. And I thought to myself, like, is this. Is this one of those relationships where you're like, you didn't tell me that you were.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

You were gonna shave.

[Big Cat]

If you cut. If you cut your hair, I would have been disappointed if you didn't give me a heads up. Yeah, just a heads up. Because I. I like your hair. And it would have. It would have been shocking to me.

[PFT Commenter]

I like it, too. I feel powerful, and I feel like I've spiritually had a mullet for quite some time. And it goes well with the El Camino, which is the mullet of cars. Business in the front, party in the back.

[Big Cat]

Perfect timing for the El Camino to be done for the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I'm just.

[Big Cat]

I'm moving.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm storing my El Camino on my head for the wintertime.

[Big Cat]

You just transferred it.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. So when I. When I got it cut, I actually walked in and, man, all the boys were pumped, fired up. And then I got back to the part of my take. Producers corner.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And the reaction there was way different.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[PFT Commenter]

The reaction there. Memes. Memes just stops. And he just looked at me.

[Big Cat]

He was going through jets.

[PFT Commenter]

He was. Which I understood.

[Zach]

And he also used to have great flow. He just gave up on it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So.

[Big Cat]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

So I think it'll be in pmtv, but meme just stops mid sentence. And he just stares at me. And I'm like, yeah, memes. He's like, it looks. And then he just never finished that sentence. It hung out there for about seven seconds. And then Max got scared.

[Big Cat]

Why did Max get scared?

[Max]

I. I was just nervous for you because of, like, myself. If I were to do, like, you can't go back. Like, he can't go back to his. His hair.

[Big Cat]

Like, what do you mean you just.

[Max]

Have to be this guy forever?

[Big Cat]

No, that's not true.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the thing about hair.

[Big Cat]

100. Not true.

[PFT Commenter]

Hair grows.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[Johnny Fanta]

It'll take.

[Max]

It's going to take two years for him to go back to long hair.

[Big Cat]

Is that true?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, probably about two years, but yes. I, I can't.

[Max]

That's what made me nervous because it was like, if I.

[Big Cat]

That is a long time. I didn't realize. I thought it was like a month.

[Max]

Because look at the front of his hair. Like, the front of his hair has to match the. And it's either, like, it's. It's either you go for a really weird, awkward phase.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know what he said.

[Max]

You just have to be a Molokai forever now.

[PFT Commenter]

I know.

[Max]

Or you're gonna go short hair.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, listen, I. You have.

[Max]

There's no choice.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't try to bring down. Don't try to bring me down on mullet.

[Max]

I'm not, but I'm explaining why I reacted that way. It made. It just made me anxious as a long.

[PFT Commenter]

I know what's going on. He's jealous. It's okay.

[Big Cat]

Are you jealous?

[PFT Commenter]

A little bit jealous.

[Max]

I mean, I could do. I could do that tomorrow if I wanted to. I do not want to.

[Big Cat]

So you, you don't have the balls.

[Max]

Correct.

[Shane]

That is.

[Big Cat]

So you are jealous.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I. Yeah. He wishes he had my balls.

[Max]

Yeah, I'm jealous of your balls.

[PFT Commenter]

I got good balls. Of your balls. I got. I got big meaty clankers is what they always call.

[Max]

No big meaty clackers.

[Big Cat]

How did you respond?

[PFT Commenter]

I was clank. Thanks.

[Max]

No clackers.

[Zach]

I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Hank was fired up.

[Zach]

I love it.

[Big Cat]

Good.

[Max]

I like it, too. It looks good. It's mostly just a huge commitment.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Like you have to be forever.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't wait.

[Zach]

Fine.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't wait to shampoo. For the first time. It's gonna feel so. To be honest, I've been sick having, like, long hair everywhere for a very long time. The first time I shower, oh, it's gonna feel so good. And Zach was gas. Appreciate you, Zach.

[Big Cat]

Zach, gas.

[Shane]

Yeah, the mold does look good. I think you could. Even now that you got the sides tight, you can kind of dab. You could like.

[Big Cat]

You could chop your head off. Exactly. That's actually good.

[PFT Commenter]

Sir, would you like water?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Keep town hydrate.

[PFT Commenter]

What were you saying about the sides?

[Shane]

I think now you get the sides tight, you could, like, you can flirt with the idea of, like, designs. Maybe throw a lightning.

[PFT Commenter]

Lightning I thought about number five, but that's. I. I'd be jumping in too fast. I'd be jumping in too fast. He's not dead. Are you talking about. He's in a better place.

[Big Cat]

He's in a better place.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think that about Jaden. Jaden. Jaden is literally in a better place right now that he's no longer playing with that team. Respect.

[Max]

All right, let's kick to ourselves.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Kick it to ourselves.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait. Windmills. Anything else? I want to make sure that we wrap it up.

[Johnny Fanta]

I'll.

[Big Cat]

I'll give you a take on windmills on Friday.

[Zach]

Okay. Thank you.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Is, well, Max wasn't going to watch anyways because he doesn't like football, doesn't watch Monday night football. But that's fine. There's a lot of college hoops to be watching. A lot of college hoops we talked.

[Big Cat]

About at the end of Sunday's show. It is absolute bullshit. The people you're screwing over the people. We stand with the people now. Pft. And I may be speaking from a place of slight privilege in the fact that we both have cable and YouTube TV, but we're still speaking up. It's fucking bullshit.

[PFT Commenter]

I would speak. Yeah. I'm speaking from a place of both privilege and also just being a boomer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where I just. I have a deep fear of getting rid of cable for. For situations like this. But, yeah, I think a lot of people out there, they don't have both cable and. And all the apps they get. They get the streaming.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. For me, it's the. The cubs weren't on YouTube TV, so it was like, well, I got to have cable to watch the Cubs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then. But, yeah, either way, it's bullshit. Hank, did you watch?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

You weren't able to watch. This is absolute. Like, fuck you, espn. Fuck you is on.

[Zach]

The principle, too. Is like. I was thinking about it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I think if the. They needed this game, needed to be like, the Lions, Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And I think a resolution would have happened right now.

[Big Cat]

It also is very funny watching the people who don. Like, there are.

[Zach]

It was Cowboys, Cardinals, who cares?

[PFT Commenter]

So there was a way that you could watch it, though, if you had the. The antenna. Yeah, you got to go out and buy an antenna. Apparently. Apparently sports and. And TV is just still floating through the air. You just have to pick it up.

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, that was that last year with the. With the Bulls and Blackhawks. A lot of people were buying antennas to try to get the. Where they were playing the games. But it was also funny watching the. You always forget that there are actually a lot of people out there who only watch the NFL and do not watch college football, one of which our good friend Stephen Shea, who did not know this dispute was happening until right before kickoff.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

And he was like, what the hell? I can't watch Monday Night Football.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Big Cat]

And it's bull, but it's bullshit.

[PFT Commenter]

That's also bull. I'm calling bullshit on Stephen Che because he. I know for a fact that man has notifications turned on for Adam Schefter, who has tweeted out, like, he asked. Asked YouTube TV to put ESPN on the air.

[Big Cat]

So he was traveling over the weekend. And then he did, quote Schefter tweet around, like, an hour before kickoff, being like, wait, what do you mean?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I saw that yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But he knew. Steven knew also, for him to take Adam Schefter's side of this dispute was Just perfect.

[Big Cat]

I straightened him out. I told him. I was like, hey, buddy, listen, this is. You want to keep blaming YouTube TV. It's. It's ESPN. ESPN owns Hulu. They own Fubo. They're basically trying to force people to do that. We're splitting everything up. It's fucking bullshit. Let us watch.

[PFT Commenter]

Sports should be free. That's my take.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

When I'm elected president, free sports for everybody.

[Big Cat]

Bread and circus.

[PFT Commenter]

Free sports for everybody. It's very important. It keeps people happy. It's also just the right thing to do.

[Zach]

Correct the link that all the ESPN people are shilling out of. Like, here's how. There's other ways to watch. The link is just a website to complain to YouTube. There's no solutions.

[PFT Commenter]

And they told me in a way where it's like.

[Zach]

I was like, oh, maybe I do have one of these things. Click the link. It's just a link to complain to YouTube. It's bullshit.

[Big Cat]

And the other things are owned by Disney. Yeah, Hulu and Fubo. So either way, there was a game that was played.

[PFT Commenter]

It did feel like it had less buzz. Yeah, maybe it was just me watching it, but I never. I never felt like I was excited about football during Monday football.

[Big Cat]

Well, it was it to me. The game was basically over when the Cowboys drove the ball down the field to start the game and got. It was like 4th and 8, 4th and goal from the 8. Didn't kick the field goal. I don't. Listen, I'm a big. Go for it guy. I feel like in that situation, just get the points. You, Jacoby Brissette, you don't know if he's going to light you up or not. He ended up lighting him up. But it's five minutes into the game. Your offense, that's so demoralizing, like time and place. I had no problem with the Cowboys going for it later on in the game when they knew they needed, like two scores. But at the beginning of the game, just get. Get some points. Show something. Show you basically did all your homework and you have nothing to show for it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was a tough start. I also, I, I like that Brandon Aubrey missed that field goal at the end of the first half. They let him attempt a 68 yarder at the end of the half. That would have been a bummer for Cam Little if. If his record had lasted for a single day.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

And then Brandon Aubrey did it on a bigger platform on Monday Night Football. That would have sucked. So I was glad to see him miss that. But, yeah, the, The Cardinals. Jacoby Brissette looks good. And they were running.

[Big Cat]

They were just play actioning them to death.

[PFT Commenter]

They did so much play action. And play action works. There's a reason why people do it. And then Gannon says that it's still Kyler Murray's job. He's not going to lose his job for hell. If you've seen Jacoby Brissette playing with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray playing with the Cardinals, I don't think that leash is going to be very long on Tyler. I, I think a lot of people have watched Jacoby Brissette and said this guy should be starting at quarterback because the whole team like Marvin Harrison. By the way, the route that he put on last night was so good.

[Big Cat]

CD Lamb going crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

It was N1 mixtape.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like if that had taken place in a high school gy him, the stands would have emptied onto the court and everyone would just said, the game's over.

[Big Cat]

He just broke him down.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's, it's good to see Marvin. I saw him smile even on the bench. And so it feels like everything is kind of downstream from maybe the quarterback not being a big bummer all the time.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

But I do, I want to put a pin in this. It's similar to our Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold thing.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I think in, like, three years, Kyler Murray will be a very good quarterback on a different team.

[Big Cat]

Does he get taller?

[Johnny Fanta]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Same height. He doesn't grow. I could see him, like, picture this. Kyler Murray.

[Big Cat]

I mean, there's no downside in saying this. So I'm in.

[PFT Commenter]

Kyler Murray playing for the Saints.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There's, there's, if we're wrong, no one's going to pull this up and be like, hey, you guys are wrong. So I'm in. Yeah. Kyler Murray's gonna be great. We're just living off the high of. There's never been a more correct one minute on, pardon my take, history than when PFT and I in 2021 said he said he was still believing in Baker. I said, I, I'll do you one worse. I'm still believing in Sam Darnold.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That is the most correct we've ever been in our entire lives.

[PFT Commenter]

You tell me that we're chasing it. Kyler Murray needs to do, like, a weekend slumber party with KOC in Minnesota.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then he'll be good. Like, I, I, I think we saw enough from Kyler when he was playing. You know, he had some moments early on his career. I Don't think he's a terrible quarterback. I think he's in a bad spot, probably mentally.

[Big Cat]

We should actually just. We should just do a compilation right now. Like, I don't know what you guys are thinking, but I'm not done believing in Zach Wilson.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Spencer Rattler. Spencer Rattler can take a team to the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

People love to hate on the guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You know what? I don't think we've heard the last Carson Wentz.

[PFT Commenter]

Him.

[Zach]

I'm out.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, put this one on the record. No, I don't want to kick a guy while he's down.

[Big Cat]

Let's just stack him up and then we'll just re. If we just say every backup quarterback in the league. Is Josh Rosen still out there? Is he. I think he's like a lawyer now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Paralegal.

[Big Cat]

I. I think she was going to be good again. He's probably gonna win m some point.

[PFT Commenter]

Geno Smith just needs somebody to believe in him.

[Big Cat]

That was. There was funny. The Raiders fans were. Were being like, we gotta find what's his name? Ike. What's his name?

[Memes]

Ik.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Someone needs to find him. There was some funny. There also was. I don't know if you saw. Pft. It was, it was. It was actually like a sweet moment of people being in on the joke. But it was a Giants fan. I think it was our guy who says that. Daniel Jones.

[Johnny Fanta]

Remember?

[Big Cat]

I can't remember. Oh, it's Jones to China. Very funny account. He said, we kept your seat in the NFC basement warm for you. Welcome back Manders fc. And then it was just a bunch of Commanders fans being like, we had an awesome vacation. We brought back some, some, some trinkets for you. Like what, a year away?

[PFT Commenter]

It was great.

[Big Cat]

It was a good, good, good Interneting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's. Listen, I, I can't disagree with any of it. There's actually. I, I didn't realize how bad it had gotten for the commanders, but they, They've now lost three games in a row by at least 21 points and the last team to do that was the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguars. So it's been five years or. Yeah, five years since a team has had back to. Back to back losses as bad as we've had.

[Big Cat]

And I'm telling you this, the Bears commanders. Something is up with it. Like they just. It completely ruined both seasons the last two years.

[PFT Commenter]

And then this week we've got the. The Lions and I would not be shocked if it became a four game streak of 21 point losses. And the last time that happened was the Arizona Cardinals in 2002. 23 years. So yeah, I think we talked enough of commander's misery on Monday. Yeah, but that's, that's just a wild stat. I would think that it would have happened at some point. Like, we've seen some bad teams in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But back to, back to back blowouts are kind of rare.

[Big Cat]

Josh Rosen is getting his NBA at the Wharton School right now. How sick is that? To be at an Ivy League business school knowing you're going to get some investment banking job and you're sitting in class and you're like, yeah, yeah, I got drafted in the NFL. I made millions of dollars. It was so sick.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd be good.

[Big Cat]

I, I had the best time ever at ucla.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd be good.

[Big Cat]

Like he's unassuming and, and he's just hanging out and in like, imagine sitting in a fucking nerd filled NBA class and doing icebreakers and be like, yeah, I was a top 10 pick in the NFL.

[Max]

Do you, do you think he got like really good grades at UCLA or do you think it's a thing where I think you're a quarterback, you can just go to whatever school you want?

[PFT Commenter]

I think he was smart.

[Big Cat]

I think he was smart. I think it's like dad was like a doctor or something. So I just. If your dad's a doctor, I assume you're smart.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think, I mean, the knock on him was that he had a problem with authority. Coming out.

[Big Cat]

He made $18 million in the NFL.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think his.

[Big Cat]

It's like, like you're, oh, we're gonna do a mixer. We're gonna watch Monday Night Football. Everyone's invited. And he's just standing there being like, oh, yeah, that's what the covers are running. I know that because I played in the NFL.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think his boss at McKenzie is going to put out a graphic being like, Josh Rosen is our analyst? Yes, he should do that. That would rock.

[Big Cat]

Has to.

[PFT Commenter]

There's one question I have for you, big cat.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

About the packers. As a matter of fact, I don't want to make everything about us on this show.

[Big Cat]

No, but it is our show.

[PFT Commenter]

Did we break Matt LaFleur?

[Big Cat]

He's temporarily broken. I did see the stat that was, was going around Packer Twitter that 25% or no, sorry, was it 75% of all of Josh. 25% of Jordan loves. Past attempts over the last six games have been behind the line of scrimmage. Second highest, behind only Kyler Murray. I did read this stat and the first thing I said was, wow. So he got a penalty on 75% of his other passes because you're, you have to pass from behind the line of scrimmage, but it was actually passes that, that landed behind the line of scrimmage.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be fumbles according to Max's rule change that he'd like to enact.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think it's more that Matt LaFleur is going to figure it out. This was probably the moment, the losing to the Panthers and the way they lost to him is probably the galvanizing moment. And if you're playing the packers next, you got to watch out because he's going to fix this and they're going to come out with their hair on fire.

[PFT Commenter]

So my, my question about Matt Lafleur, though, and, and whether or not we broke him was, was specifically pointed at one thing. That game. Okay, so they're playing against the, the panthers. It's the fourth quarter, 11 minutes left. They're down 13 to 6. They have the ball at the 13 yard line. Going in, it's fourth and eight. What, what does Matt LaFleur do in that situation?

[Big Cat]

Did he go for it?

[PFT Commenter]

He went for it. Didn't get it.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what were they down?

[PFT Commenter]

They were down. The Exact score was 13 to 6. They were down 7 points.

[Big Cat]

Correct move.

[PFT Commenter]

They went for it. Actually. Note the, the stats say that you should kick a field goal without much time left on the clock, so he.

[Big Cat]

Should have kicked the field.

[PFT Commenter]

It gives you a 5% better chance of winning if you kick a field goal. He said that his math guys said that there was a 1% difference in win probability between going forward and kicking the field goal, and he thought that they had a play that could score. But every other math guy that I've seen out there in their analysis says that, no, the, the recommendation is strong to kick a field goal in that scenario.

[Big Cat]

We've always said on this show, if you can make a one score game, a one score game, you got to do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to do it. You, you got to do it.

[Big Cat]

You got to do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You absolutely have to do it. Matt LaFleur.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I, I think the packers are, are in that, like, crisis, looking to the mirror. Hey, Jordan loves a really good quarterback. Maybe let him be a quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Don't do just deep bombs and screen passes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But, yeah, I, man, I love the packers on Monday night.

[Big Cat]

They're coming off a loss, coming off.

[PFT Commenter]

A loss against the Panthers. Like, that's A bad loss. No days off this week. Practice is going to be hard.

[Big Cat]

You don't want to back against the wall.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd say back.

[Max]

Can't believe we got Packer Dan this week.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I'm not. But if the Packers.

[Max]

Full on Packers.

[Big Cat]

Listen. If the Packers.

[Zach]

Hank, I feel like it's a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

No. Here's what's going to happen. I'm rooting for the Eagles to win this game.

[Max]

No, you're not.

[Big Cat]

Yes, I am.

[Max]

No, you're not.

[Big Cat]

Yes, I am. If the packers win, I will shove it in your face and say I was right.

[Max]

And it still won't matter. And it's still.

[Zach]

Well, you say you're wrong if the Eagles win.

[PFT Commenter]

No, because whatever happens. Here's the thing. Is wrong if the Eagles win. But we're definitely right at the packets.

[Max]

Correct?

[PFT Commenter]

That is yo right, Matt. I need two things this season. I need the. I need the Eagles to lose this game. I need the Eagles to have a tie. If I. I'm gonna bet on the Eagles to tie every single week, Max. And this is. I have to find something to replace.

[Zach]

What if they tie against the Packers?

[PFT Commenter]

Thinking about the Washington commanders.

[Big Cat]

That will get confused.

[PFT Commenter]

That would get confusing. Confusing. I think that would be a win for Max. That's the only way Max can win. This is if the packers tie the Eagles on Monday Night Football.

[Max]

It is a hypothetical argument.

[PFT Commenter]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

If the packers win, Max, I want you to beat.

[PFT Commenter]

And you. And I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be so right about the hypothetical argument. I'm gonna win that hypothetical argument.

[Big Cat]

Max, I don't think you understand division. You know, records actually matter and we're right behind the Packers. So I want you to beat the Packers. I don't think you get that.

[Max]

I do get it.

[Big Cat]

No, you don't.

[PFT Commenter]

What you don't get is conference everybody else.

[Max]

You don't understand because you haven't been fighting for the top of the conference in two decades is that sometimes it matters to be at the top of the nfc.

[Big Cat]

Right? But you want to beat that team head to head.

[Memes]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And you wish that they had won last week.

[Max]

I certainly do not wish that they won.

[Big Cat]

Well, you're gonna regret that. No, story's not over yet, buddy. You have.

[Max]

There's no chance of you winning this argument.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, there is actually. Oh, yeah, there's actually a big chance.

[Big Cat]

If the packers kick your ass, you will never won the argument. You don't get will the argument?

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we will.

[Max]

You will never know.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to know.

[Max]

You will never know.

[Big Cat]

Will 100% know.

[Max]

You will never know.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man.

[Max]

It doesn't matter.

[Big Cat]

Are you going to the game?

[Max]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the spread?

[Big Cat]

Who's on.

[Max]

The packers are. The packers are favored. They were favored two and a half points going into last week and they're favored two and a half points now.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so there's like a 56% probability that we're right about this argument.

[Max]

It was same you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but listen, odds.

[Max]

The only one who can definitively win is me.

[PFT Commenter]

Odds makers don't really understand sports because.

[Big Cat]

You forgot that it's me and PFT arguing with you. We will find a way to win this argument.

[PFT Commenter]

Vegas doesn't know as much about football as me and Big Cat do.

[Big Cat]

We will beat you down. We will do circular facts that make no sense and then we will win. And if the, if the, if the Eagles win this game. We never talked about any of this.

[PFT Commenter]

No, if the Eagles win this game.

[Big Cat]

I'll be a coward. I will. I will hide from this argument.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'll tell you what. If the Eagles win this game, it's because in their meetings this week, their coaches were like, these guys are going to come out with a point to prove because they just lost against the Panthers. You cannot overlook this team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, They're. They're a desperate team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I had one other thing. Oh, the Cowboys. Yeah, the. So they made it. Well, we talked about trade deadline, but it was also weird that Jerry Jones just like right before Monday Night Football said, I have a trade done. I've consummated a trade, but I'm not going to say it yet. Yeah, he's just, he's just being a wily old bet.

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes he just says stuff.

[Big Cat]

He just says.

[PFT Commenter]

Also he. He had Stephen A. Smith up in his box. Yeah, that was interesting.

[Big Cat]

Stephen Smith is like trash the Cowboys non stop.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Stephen A. Smith is an industry plant for the Cowboys. I don't think he actually hates the Cowboys. I think one, he loves Skip Bayless, so he's just flirting with him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And two, I think that Jerry Jones sees value in having somebody in the media that's always talking about the Cowboys, good or bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And Stephen A. Smith is that guy.

[Big Cat]

I. It was also funny because Stephen A. Smith just left the. The suite. As soon as I think it was Jake Ferguson's fumble, he's like, all right, I'm out. Yeah, see you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I want that on the record, though. Stephen A. Smith is a fake Cowboys hater.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I, I could see that.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a mouthpiece.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All, all publicity is good publicity.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

The other thing I had before we get to hot seat, Cool throne, I've been thinking about it more because it was. This is how you know a World Series was so good that even two days later, I'm still thinking about it. I've, I've thought about it more and more. I think that might be the worst loss of all time for the Blue Jays. I, Because I, I was thinking about it like, there's obviously some losses you can throw out there. You can throw out the 23 Super Bowl. Falcons. You can throw out. What?

[Zach]

Oh, throw out.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying throw it. Throw it out. There is like, you know, possible. Oh, yeah. By the way, the TV ratings people are so funny. Baseball fans. Listen, baseball was awesome. World Series is awesome. And I get it. Do people not remember? It was the Oklahoma City Thunder versus the Indiana Pacers and Tyrese Halberton got hurt like 30 seconds into the game.

[Max]

I loved baseball. Twitter.

[Big Cat]

There's just such a lack of context to it. And I, I. Both sports are awesome. I, We're a big ghost sports podcast where every sport gets their shine. But it was very funny. They're like the dot.

[PFT Commenter]

The.

[Big Cat]

The. The biggest city in Canada. What. What's Toronto the fourth or fifth biggest city in North America. Los Angeles is the second biggest. Playing in the in game with Japanese superstars. Japanese superstars versus Indiana Pacers versus Oklahoma City Thunder. And the best player on the Pacers getting hurt seconds into the game. Yeah.

[Max]

Says this doesn't count Canada viewership.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay, but that, that's grok. There's a lot of Canadians living in America, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but between. Yeah, no, you're right. Like, I, I was going around at the bar on Saturday and I was like, you know, this is actually probably going to be the highest rated baseball game ever. Yeah, people were very impressed with that. They're like, oh, that makes me want to watch more. Yeah. And between Halliburton and, and Dick Cheney, it's been. Been a tough year.

[Big Cat]

It's really tough. Yeah. So, so my, my thought was there have been worse singular losses. Right. But in terms of what the Blue Jays fans went through with all three games, you know, they obviously lost four games with three of the losses being so tragically horrific in the 18 inning game, the wedgie game, and then being inches away from winning the World Series. It's the slow burn of the loss where if you're a Falcons fan, you're looking at 28 to 3 or, you know, Bartman or like there's, you know, the kick six. There's some losses that are out there, but those happen all in one game or, or maybe like two games. This was 10 days where it just. And you had three, two going back home. It's just insane, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, do you think that because there are like three specific things you can point to and say, this is why we. Like, you can, you can even point to getting more you. But I'm saying you can even point to getting doubled up at second base in game six. You can point to the bad lead in game seven and you can point to that crazy ass catch in game.

[Big Cat]

Seven, two outs away from, from being World Series champs and Miguel Rojas, the nine hitter hits a home run, Right? So like there's so many things.

[PFT Commenter]

So. But I'm saying because you can point to all those things, does it make it. It a little less painful in the long run as opposed to just being like, that was the Steve Bartman game.

[Johnny Fanta]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

There's one thing.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

That you remember it for.

[Big Cat]

I think it makes it worse because you're like, if One of the 15 things flipped our way, I could have won the World Series.

[PFT Commenter]

And I think that's, that's super sad. And that's gonna be. It's one of the worst losses. Yes. But I think if you have, if you have that one, like, if you ask a Phillies fan like Joe Carter, right, You have the Joe Carter, he was dead. But if you have the Joe Carter moment, then you have one thing that you can look back on and be like that. That one name will. Will hurt me for forever.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And this you've got. It's almost like there's too many heartbreaking things that happened for you to like, look back in 20 years and feel that one specific point of pain.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think the, the accumulation of all the moments. Because like we mentioned on Sunday that the 2011 World Series where the Rangers were two. I think they were two strikes away twice or whatever it was from winning the World Series. That's a very acute pain. You're like, man, we were that close. The Blue Jays, you can just say, like there's. There are 25 at bats and moments and base running in the wedgie, that if any of those flip. If any of those flip, you are probably World Series champions. And it's just. That's so, so painful.

[PFT Commenter]

They gotta have one guy to blame.

[Zach]

What better team lost.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I actually when the, when the Guy said it. I was like, I. I don't believe that. But I. This is the. This is the closest you can come to actually making that argument.

[PFT Commenter]

They gotta have one guy that they can blame it on. And to me, you need a scapegoat. That guy is Jerry o'.

[Big Cat]

Connell.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, it's forever going to be the Jerry o' Connor World Series.

[Big Cat]

That's fair. That's fair.

[PFT Commenter]

He called me last night.

[Big Cat]

Also, Hoffman giving up that home run to Miguel Rojas is still.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just so insane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And it's the screenshot of the slide into home.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Where he just gets a lead. If you don't get doubled up in game six, if that. The wedgie is a one. I think I actually want to see. Dude, perfect. Go out and try it. I think it would take them weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks to hit the exact shot, exact spot to.

[PFT Commenter]

Just get it lodged.

[Zach]

So hit it. Yeah, hit it hard enough.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you got to hit it hard enough. And it's got a lodge perfectly. Like all. It didn't bounce. It just lodged.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's insane. So, yeah, that was my. I'm sorry for Blue Jays fans, but I'm more like saying that if you're going to lose, at least you now have the worst loss ever.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know about that. Yeah, I disagree.

[Big Cat]

I'm just giving you anything.

[Zach]

No one's. No Blue Jays fans here now.

[Big Cat]

Of course.

[Johnny Fanta]

Of course.

[Big Cat]

You know what, they can walk around and be like, they could basically in 20 years, when someone's like, oh, man, that loss was bad. Like, no, wasn't. It wasn't as bad as this. You got at least something you have in your back pocket.

[PFT Commenter]

It was bad.

[Big Cat]

It's not a good. I'm not saying it's a good thing.

[Zach]

You do that with the. With double doink. Do you bring that up willingly?

[Big Cat]

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying you can at least just. Just trump card everyone be like, no, actually, you don't have it as bad.

[Zach]

That's not a trump card.

[Max]

You.

[Big Cat]

That's not like you don't want to play. You don't want it, but you have it. You have it now. I'm just trying to give you. Try to give you anything that you have to walk away with. You have it.

[Zach]

Got the Leafs.

[Big Cat]

Jesus.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out oldie, oldie, oldie. Getting the boys buzzing before the game last night was awesome to see. Just waiting in the tunnel for him. How many times did he say, and just gotta Go. Gotta go.

[Big Cat]

We gotta maybe busy, busy.

[Zach]

His jeans were insane.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Leafs can do it. Okay, let's do hot seat, Cool throne, Hot sea. Cool Throne is brought to you by our friends at Twisted Tea. Twisted Tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with real Brewed tea and 5% alcohol. Twisted tea is the perfect alcohol beverage to keep the good times going all season long. Whether you're hanging out at a friend's house, catching a game at the stadium or at the bar, or just seeing where the day takes you, Twisted Tea is there to turn your day up a notch and make a good time, a great time. Keep it twisted. Grab a tea, it's game time. Stock up on ice cold twisted tea today. I love the original flavor. I love the peach, the half and half. Twisted tea is the best. It's. It's crisp outside. It's maybe sitting outside at a tailgate, going to a bar, watching some ball. Keep it twisted with twisted tea. I love twisted tea. It goes down so smooth. It's great. Cans, too. Beautiful, beautiful drink. Grab a tea, it's game time. Stock up on ice cold twisted tea today. Also, we should have mentioned that there are thousands, thousands upon thousands of Buffalo Bills, Toronto Blue Jays fans. Yes. And that is so brutal. That is so, so brutal. Like, that is unconscionable.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like Maple Leafs, Bills, parlay.

[Big Cat]

Raptors won a title.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They did.

[Big Cat]

They did.

[PFT Commenter]

Kawhi did that. Kawhi did that. Okay, who'd he beat in the playoffs that year?

[Zach]

Warriors.

[Big Cat]

Warriors.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but in the playoffs before that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the Sixers.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's right.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a crazy shot.

[Big Cat]

That was crazy.

[Zach]

That was game seven.

[Big Cat]

It's so far back in the. Because it wasn't even the conference finals.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pre. Max. Max was dead on the show.

[Big Cat]

Max was dead. He's a dead guy.

[Max]

I was live. I was live in real life dead on this show.

[PFT Commenter]

Max. I got.

[Max]

I was dead on this show for that shot.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I gotta say, like, it's been a. Been a rough couple sports days for me, but one thing that's always gonna put a smile on my face is just like, just poking Max. Thank you, Max.

[Big Cat]

That's not cool.

[Zach]

My hot seat is John Morant.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Lost his joy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

He's beefing with his coaches. This was like a week or so ago. But he was, you know, getting pushed in the. In the. In a press conference after the game, and he was like, just ask the coaches. Ask the coaches, ask the coaches. And then last night, he just said he's he's lost his joy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, they won't let him do guns anymore.

[Zach]

Yeah, they're 3, 3 and 5 on the season. Lowest points per game since 2020.

[Big Cat]

It's bad. It feels like he needs a trade very badly. Just get him out of there. Get him a new place.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? I'm not done believing in John Morant. Big cat.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not either. I'm not either.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you should. It does feel like a change of scenery is something that has to happen. Yeah. By the way, I feel like they're changed the coach a ton of. Well, they did. Yeah, they did that last year. Yeah, they fired, they fired their coach when they were, they were gonna make the playoffs. Right.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

Max and Zach, I got got by that too. I think that was fake.

[Max]

I, I, I needed.

[Big Cat]

There was a fake. There was a fake Kevin Durant tweet going around that it was John Morant and Anthony Edwards said, who's stopping this? And the fake tweet is Kevin Durant replying, Baby mamas and Glocks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's, that's fake. That's very obvious.

[Max]

Duran says fuck shit. Like, he deletes it too. So it's hard.

[PFT Commenter]

I got, I got notice on for Kevin Durant at all times. I, I will verify if that's true. But no, that's a, you can't get, you can't get fooled by the baby Mamas and Glock's tweet.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

By the way, you guys, I saw an NBA thing that, that I think people are probably more aware of, so maybe it's new to me, but the, the Pelicans are just like, soft quitting and going to probably be in, like, relocate. And we know it, like, from way far in advance. They're, they're. Because, remember we had the weird trade in drafting. They hired Joe Dumars, who hadn't been in that position for 11 years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's basically been, you know, the Derek Queen trade was crazy there. I don't think they've won a game yet. And then this guy on Twitter, Retro Pel, said that they have no promotional calendar for the season. They stopped doing any type of watch parties or like. No bobbleheads.

[Zach]

No bobblehead.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't think so. And there's no marketing team slogan. Every other team has one. They're the only one that doesn't. They're just soft quitting.

[PFT Commenter]

Pell, I can.

[Big Cat]

They're soft quitting. They're, they're basically just tanking the team so they can move the franchise Pell up.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's talk. It's. It is. I think that any team in the NBA that's thinking about relocating, though, there's going to be a wrinkle that's thrown in now, which is because of the gambling stuff. The NBA's boogeyman that they have out there is they want a Vegas team so bad. Seattle.

[Zach]

Or I guess I'll do both.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but I. I don't think that Silver is going to. The time is not right for him to push for a Vegas team.

[Zach]

Yeah, but it might be too late. The wheels are in motion.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, but I. With, like, FBI investigations. You got guys in windbreakers coming into your office, and you're going to put a team in Vegas.

[Zach]

Pablo, Tori. On your ass. You're gonna go to Vegas.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's hot.

[Big Cat]

The block is hot.

[PFT Commenter]

Block is hot right now. Now it is. If Adam Silver does it, then tip of the cap. He's a real one.

[Big Cat]

Seattle.

[PFT Commenter]

Seattle. I. I would love a team in Seattle.

[Zach]

They're gonna do both.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, they are good. And they're. And I think they. They'll be able to get away with Vegas because the NFL already did it once. The NFL does it.

[Zach]

Yeah, but the NFL doesn't have.

[PFT Commenter]

They don't have the FBI.

[Zach]

Investigation and cleared.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Cash Patel isn't trying to drag down the NFL to prop up the NHL.

[Big Cat]

But they can also just say, well, it's legal here, so we can regulate it. He's not. They'll do it, and they'll just say it. They'll say, it's fine.

[Zach]

My cool throne is clones.

[Big Cat]

Clones.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Iowa State.

[Zach]

Tom Brady. Oh, he's cloning himself on his dog.

[Big Cat]

Oh, this stuff kind of makes me.

[Zach]

Yeah, it just was. Make. Makes me think. It's like. I think it was a company that he invested into.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's like, that's weird because Tom seems like such a normal guy, and then he does something like this.

[Zach]

What if he clones himself?

[Big Cat]

The thing with this is.

[PFT Commenter]

What if.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he just. It's just the dog has to be a little bit different, and you have to be able. And you notice it, and that's got to be so offsetting.

[PFT Commenter]

And also. So how old?

[Big Cat]

Pudding. Sorry?

[PFT Commenter]

How old was the dog? That. So the dog passed away two years ago. Yeah. So the dog had been living with him while he was, like, a Super bowl champion. And so now you're bringing up a clone of your dog and expecting it to be the same when you're not a winner anymore.

[Zach]

He's still a winner.

[PFT Commenter]

That dog's not gonna have championship DNA.

[Big Cat]

Did he rename the dog yes. Okay. I don't know, man. I'm not, I don't think I'm, I can get behind this stuff. No, you like it, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

I support.

[Zach]

I, I like, I like, I support Tom.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, good answer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, good.

[Max]

Nice political answer right there.

[Big Cat]

Good answer.

[Zach]

And, like, I, I feel like, I feel like, like, you know, it's, it's just a move that greats do is, like, wanting to clone themselves. Ted Williams, Tom Brady, let's get a super team going.

[Big Cat]

Like your dog's. It's gonna, there's gonna be something different.

[PFT Commenter]

In his defense, what other way is there to get a dog? Yeah, it's like, that's how you get dogs.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Blue coffee.

[PFT Commenter]

You just extract blood from your old one, and then you send it to a lab, and then a robot mixes it together, and then they inject that into another female dog, and then your dog is born again. That's, that's a beautiful thing about nature.

[Big Cat]

Now we gotta reprint all the shirt, like, adopt, don't shop. Adopt, don't clone.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Bone, don't clone.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Your hot seat. Cool throne.

[PFT Commenter]

My hot seat is us.

[Memes]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Sports podcasters.

[Memes]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

So when I, I was trying to look up some stats on Sunday night, and I was trying to find the, the last time that a team had lost four consecutive games by 21 or more points, and I ended up just asking our guy stat hole, who got it to me in, like, two seconds. But I was looking all over the Internet for, like, the best ways to look up these types of stats, and I found in one of my searches a landing page for something called Fox Sports AI.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

And I went to it, okay. And it's a landing page for Sports AI Beta. But there's no, there's no, like, AI bot that you can use yet. But it's like a, an announcement page for it for a product that hasn't come out yet. And nobody at Fox Sports knew what it was when I was trying to ask about it and what it is. Yeah, So I, I, I read through it. They're creating a robot online that can do hot takes on demand. Ask sports AI for bold takes, trending topics, or a second opinion on a hot button issue. Whether you're defending your team or talking trash, sports AI is ready to jump in. I don't know that they can. That AI can replicate what we do because we're so wrong. I don't think That I don't think robots can be wrong on purpose.

[Big Cat]

No, they can't. But it's in there. It's in their bylaws.

[PFT Commenter]

I brought this up to Blutman, and he was like, it might just be Cletus. And if this is Cletus, then respect. Cletus.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The NFL robot.

[Big Cat]

But mad respect.

[PFT Commenter]

When this comes out, we're gonna have to do, like, a John Henry versus the machine against this AI bot to prove that humans are still superior.

[Memes]

Oh, boy.

[PFT Commenter]

We're cooked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, we are cooked.

[Zach]

We got, like, two years.

[Big Cat]

Two. I'd like to give us a little.

[Zach]

More than every movie.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like, that's when Hank is gonna owe me 50,000.

[Zach]

The AI comes out, and then it starts to get smarter, and then eventually it smarter, and then things go haywire and, like, we're in the. Like, we're trying to work with AI. I give it a couple more years before AI then just takes us over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Although I did.

[Zach]

Everyone right now is like, oh, let's use AI solutions.

[Big Cat]

Like, and also, every time you make a video of AI doesn't. It doesn't, like, take water away from an entire city.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Power. Yeah. But I. I read an article yesterday that was about how businesses are, like, pushing back against AI because all the AI companies convinced them that it's here and it's the future. And then they get these AI bots and they suck because they're wrong, like, 40 of the time. So you can't have that if you're running a business because it costs you money. And then you're like, I'm going to cancel my. My robot subscription. And then the AI companies are like, hey, we're not selling as many robots as we used to. And then the vampires that are funding the AI companies are like, well, we're gonna need some of that money back that we gave you an investment. Also, it's important to remember that the people that are designing AI are dorks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, here's my. My big take on AI, Hank, is that I think that it actually. We might come out the other end pretty good, because everything's gonna be so fake, and you have no idea what's real or not online. That human interaction becomes the gold standard. So we all just ditch our phones in our computers and we just. This is this. Me and you looking at each other becomes real. It becomes the. The best.

[Zach]

I'm down to ditch phones. People aren't gonna do that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Zach]

You're not gonna do that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, we're not. Done.

[Big Cat]

I can do it.

[PFT Commenter]

If not every. We should sell a podcast. There should be. The new phone should just be a box that you get podcasts on and.

[Zach]

There'S gonna be AI podcasts.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I'm saying. This Fox Sports AI Hot Take bot. I don't think it could come up with the. The stupid. That we get wrong on purpose, we'll.

[Big Cat]

Just get even more wrong. Anything we say that's wrong from here on forward, it's so that we're getting AI off the scent.

[PFT Commenter]

I have not yet begun to be wrong about.

[Max]

Like this packers take.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You think you don't bring it up again?

[Zach]

Yeah, that's correct.

[PFT Commenter]

You think a AI robot would come up with this take Max. No. AI robots don't understand statement losses.

[Big Cat]

Facts.

[Max]

Statement loss is different than whatever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. We weren't talking about statement loss, but that's fine. Hey, listen, he misspoke. That was. That was to get AI off the scent. Good job. Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it might be a statement lost by the packers now, because we know that the Panthers. We know that the Panthers every year that Ohio State wins the championship and JLO gets divorced, they make it to the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

So facts. Okay, what's your cool throne?

[PFT Commenter]

My cool throne is Kevin Stefanski, because everyone's going to be off his back now because he has given up play calling duties to Tommy Reese.

[Big Cat]

Nice.

[PFT Commenter]

So the problems with the Browns offense, it's no longer on Kevin Stefanski's page. It's on Tommy Reese. And if you're asking, hey, didn't Kevin Stefanski do this same thing last year? You would be correct. Yeah, this is like an annual thing. It's like the leaves turning.

[Big Cat]

That's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Clocks falling forward. Same thing with Stefanski. This is what he does.

[Big Cat]

I know both guys. I trust both guys. So they're fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Except when Tommy tried to go by Tom for a year. Yeah, that was. That was a red flag. It's like your name's. Your name's Tomi Reese. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. My hot seat is. I have two. The first one is going to be Mick Cronin, because Mick Cronin. The UCLA Bruins started their 2025, 2026 college basketball campaign. They won against Eastern Washington. But Mick Cronin said after the game, I blame myself. I knew this was coming, but I couldn't stop it. I failed miserably. Arrogance, lack of humility. Don't want to defend, don't want to rebound, don't want to play defense. There are so many mistakes. I'd like to fire myself.

[PFT Commenter]

That's accountability.

[Big Cat]

He wants to fire himself. Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Hand up McCronen. He gets it. He could, he gets it. He, I could see him firing himself and then rehiring himself on an interim basis.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but one game in, I want to fire myself. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I love Mick Cronin.

[Big Cat]

He's great. And then my other hot seat is Hank. Little cautionary tale there, Hank, because we're getting some more details on Hugh Freeze at Auburn, and he was so obsessed with golf that some of the boosters said he showed up on Friday before games without his golf clubs, just wanting to watch guys play golf.

[Zach]

No, that's, that is a tall.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

That is a tall.

[Big Cat]

The booster said the only problem is that he wanted to play golf way more than coach anymore. Is it on Friday before home game this season, showed up on golf course. As an Auburn Auburn booster told CBS Sports, Freeze just came out to the golf course without clubs to watch guys play golf.

[Zach]

There is no shot. And if you're that obsessed with golf, that's like the last thing you want to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Am I going crazy or did I, did I bring that up on. No, you brought up Monday and then you said, no, it's because he lost to Kentucky.

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, I said that. I mean, he lost to Kentucky, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's, this has been a story about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I know. There was the, there was the, this is a new story, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He went to watch guys play golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Watching guys play golf is crazy.

[Big Cat]

I was saying specifically on Saturday night, he lost to Kentucky.

[PFT Commenter]

He also had a standing date, a standing tea time at a country club. That's totally normal. And then when people caught on to it, then people did more snooping around because they found out that his wife was still logging all her scores onto the ghi, knowing that she was playing with him every week. He just stopped logging his handicap. So he's also been sandbagging, in addition, coaching, losing football.

[Big Cat]

No, but I, I, I, I know you said that on, on Sunday, but I was saying, like, specifically, he, he Kentucky's garbage. And they scored three points against Kentucky. But yes, golf is. Now he's watching dudes play golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Now Hugh Freezes.

[Zach]

I don't believe that.

[Big Cat]

Okay, well, it's just a cautionary tale he came from. I would never do that. Okay.

[Zach]

I would never do that.

[Big Cat]

Never.

[Zach]

To show up and just watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, because you know that you can't play. You can, you can plausible deniability be like, hey, I didn't play today. I just watched.

[Zach]

I wouldn't I wouldn't want to do that.

[Johnny Fanta]

That.

[Big Cat]

Listen, this was from John Talty on CBS Sports. He posted on Monday afternoon.

[PFT Commenter]

I believe it. Because showing up and just watching, that's kind of what they do at Liberty.

[Big Cat]

Day before camp. And a hole in one. Come on, Hugh. Freeze.

[Zach]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

That's so sick.

[Zach]

I mean, this is a classic. Like, this is all getting reported now that he's on his way out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Every coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Every.

[Big Cat]

Every coach golfs a lot of time.

[PFT Commenter]

I think some coaches don't go golf.

[Zach]

A lot of coaches golf.

[Big Cat]

A lot of Some. A lot of coaches don't go.

[PFT Commenter]

You think coacho golfs?

[Zach]

Yeah. No.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think so.

[Zach]

Boosters.

[Big Cat]

But they have to.

[Zach]

There's. Every coach, on some level, has to at least be able to form a golf swing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They have to.

[Zach]

Have to play in some events. Boosters. Charities like boosters. Events.

[PFT Commenter]

They have to be able to show up at a golf event and wear a polo shirt at the bare minimum.

[Big Cat]

Because this happened to Brian Kelly, too. Brian Kelly played 400 rounds.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You got to start standing up for golfers.

[Zach]

I will. I will happily do.

[Big Cat]

What are you gonna do?

[Zach]

What am I gonna do?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, stand up.

[Zach]

I'm gonna show that you can play a lot of golf and still perform at a high level.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't.

[Zach]

A lot of Ken. A lot of savings.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, the fact that he's able to do that with. With the back condition that he has is incredible. Like, that's a. That's a. A more impressive comeback story than Fusion Tiger.

[Zach]

Look at you. You do the same thing. Look at me.

[PFT Commenter]

Me and Hugh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. My cool throne is Wisconsin football. Finally, finally, some good news. Matt Brown from Extra points did a FOIA request of 35 universities to see. Trying to figure out, like, where nil money can come from. And part of it is beverage sales, beer sales. And he did that for 35 universities in Wisconsin had $1 million more than second place in terms of beer sales in stadiums. So got that three. $3 million so far this year. Nebraska, it's second in $2 million. So that's cool.

[Zach]

Crushes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they drink a lot of beer.

[PFT Commenter]

It does. My. My favorite graphic that goes viral every now and again is where they show the drunkest cities in America. And out of the top 10, I want to say, or top 20, maybe, like 14 are in Wisconsin.

[Big Cat]

It's just a heat map. It's a heat map, and it's just all Wisconsin.

[PFT Commenter]

Wisconsin likes beer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So credit to them.

[Big Cat]

We just got to sell more beer and maybe get some more players. It's a lot of Wisconsin. Okay, Zach. Your hot seat. Cool throne.

[Shane]

My hot seat this week is going to be Rockstar Games. Gentlemen, we have an Update on the GTA 6 front.

[Big Cat]

Oh, there's no way this is a real update.

[Shane]

And by. By update, I mean they've since deleted the now launch date off the website. Off the landing page. May 2026 is no more. They're backtracking again. I think we're gonna get hit with another calendar year of waiting.

[PFT Commenter]

I heard a rumor about gta. Maybe you can tell me if this is true or not. Hank, you'll appreciate this. I heard that within the game of GTA 6, there's going to be 18 holes of golf that you can play. Like there's going to be a full fledged golf video game inside of GTA.

[Shane]

There is a golf course in GTA 5. Them leveling that up to full 18 makes sense to me. I can't confirm the rumor, but they're saying there's so much you should be able to do in the game if it ever comes out that I definitely don't doubt there being 18 hole golf.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're just making second life. I think they're just making the best second life of all time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, for sure. All right, so GTA 6 is not coming out. It's.

[Shane]

They. They took the. They took the. The launch date off the website.

[Big Cat]

Just put it out. I'm sure they're trying to perfect it so that, you know, the guy's shadow looks awesome and the ripples in the waves. Just fucking put it out. No one cares.

[Shane]

So they. They did pick up a lot. You guys. Are you guys ever seen I like 5M or like GTA RP, like the roleplay servers you can play on?

[Big Cat]

Mm, no, you just said so.

[Shane]

RP is kind of like second Life, where in GTA it's like modded out a little bit to where like you can just run a chain of convenience stores or you can. Yeah, you can have like a food truck or.

[Big Cat]

Could you be a podcaster?

[Shane]

You could. Yeah, they got studios. You could probably be a podcaster or like gang. Gang wars or like so listed substances. You can do all sorts of stuff. They are. They hired a bunch of the RP guys last year from 5M. So maybe, maybe we are leaning towards more of a second life situation, but it's just never coming out.

[PFT Commenter]

They might just be making the everything game like every other game is built into gta and you can play it. There's probably a flight simulator in it.

[Big Cat]

They need to make it so that you can.

[Zach]

You can like, it's flight simulator.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but I mean like a full fledged flight flight simulator. High fidelity cockpits.

[Big Cat]

And then they make it so that you just like plug your brain into it so you're not even playing with a controller. And you just go to sleep and you play the game. That would be cool.

[Shane]

So GTA gets with meta by kids too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No, and when you buy a tricks.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't even buy the game. They just. You buy a pill and it's a red pill. And then you just take the red.

[Shane]

Pill and you sign in with what, like blood type?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

They just sign in with your name. Neil. Okay.

[Shane]

Your cool turn. My cool throne this week is Luke from the Outdoor Boys. Because for the next foreseeable future, next couple weeks, we get some more outdoor Boys back boy.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he's back.

[Zach]

He's coming back. He's coming back too much.

[Big Cat]

He missed it. For people who don't know, this is the most wholesome content on the Internet, period. It's this guy. Where does he live? Alaska.

[Shane]

He is somewhere very frigid all the time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's a lawyer and he had an incredible channel where he basically teaches you how to survive. He has two. Two young boys that he teaches them how to survive, hunt fish, build huts. And he just retired, what, six months ago, saying that he wanted to just be with his family more. And now he's back.

[Max]

He's.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it's unfinished videos in November. Uploading three previously unfinished videos in November.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's still retired, but this is just like bone from the vault. Yeah. In the.

[Shane]

In the retirement video, he's like, hey, I have been working on these three videos. If I wrap them up, finish them, I'm gonna give them to you guys. These next three Saturdays are when we get those. It's almost like we're hopping in like an outdoor boys time machine. Going back.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so your plans are set a.

[Shane]

Time block on Saturdays for a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

Is this guy gonna. Is this gonna be the best career move that he ever made? Like, these videos are gonna go nuts. Aren't they? Like numbers.

[Shane]

He's all. I mean, he's been.

[PFT Commenter]

Sorry. Yeah, Meme just had three.

[Big Cat]

That was a great three.

[Shane]

Yeah, automatic on the three there.

[PFT Commenter]

But you know, I'm saying it's like if. If an artist dies, all the artwork, it goes up in price. If you retire from. From something, you know, obviously People are gonna spend more money on the stuff that you made beforehand. If you say you're walking away from the Internet and you actually follow through and in this case you, six months is, that's a very long retirement to follow through on because a lot of people say like, oh, I'm never, I'm never logging on to X the everything app. It's all happening on X again. And then they, then they re sign up in like a week. But the fact that he's been gone for so long, when he drops these videos, I feel like those are going straight to the top of the charts.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, he was, he was already.

[Shane]

In like the out of this world boom zone as far as the charts go. This is just kind of pride. You're right too.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Shane]

Five big ones.

[PFT Commenter]

The out of the world boom.

[Big Cat]

Boom zone. I love verified air.

[PFT Commenter]

We ever put out any videos that are out of this world boom zone.

[Zach]

DK Metcalf and Aaron Donald.

[Big Cat]

Every week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Boom zone. Okay, good job, Zach. Let's do a couple ads and we'll get to our interview.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, we now welcome on a Very, very, very, very special guest. He's one of our best friends. Recurring guest it is Johnny Fanta, AKA Johnny Football, because we have Johnny Fanta here to talk a little college basketball. But we're going to start with football because he's covering football. Now. If you're watching NBC, if you're watching the Big Ten on Saturday night, they're doing the Phantom Minute and I love it. Every time I get so jacked up when I see you on my TV on Saturday night, Ex. Except when it's Wisconsin playing, getting absolutely manhandled, which did happen a couple weeks ago. But Johnny, great to see you. You want to talk some football first?

[Johnny Fanta]

Let's go. I mean, let. How about the Big Ten with the top two teams in the country and that Matt Patricia defense that has just been absolutely dominant in Columbus. The repeat threat is real. But to me, Coach Signetti has totally changed the sport of college football and he's put everybody on notice saying, don't give me two, three, four years that it takes you to figure it out with a program. There's a real national championship contender in Bloomington and that's really cool. Out of Indiana. College football is wild, guys. I've loved jumping in the sport. I'm having a blast on Saturdays. Like you said, big cap with, with NBC trying different things. Like one of my favorite things and, and you guys can relate to this is they'll say, hey, let's do something random. I'm like, hey, this week South Dakota's playing South Dakota State in football and North Dakota's playing North Dakota State. Let's highlight the chaos in the sport because there's no shortage of it. I know you both love it and I've loved jumping into it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, I mean, if we want to talk the most chaotic storyline and I've talked to Big Cat a little bit about this before, I don't know if we've really talked about that much on the air, but just look at Washington State's schedule this year. It is supreme chaos. It is so crazy. They play against Oregon State twice this year. They travel all across the country playing anybody who will play against them. They're like, we got a schedule to fill up. That's what I love about college football, just the craziness of it. You talked about Signetti. Do you think that coaches now are like, hey, dude, what the fuck? Why, why did you turn this around so quickly? We've been selling three, four year rebuilds everywhere that we go and it's worked out pretty good. And then you Just get in, you dominate. I'd be upset at him for that.

[Johnny Fanta]

Oh, it's true. Look, he's been the trendsetter. I mean Mike Elk goes the same way. And, and I just think in this, in this new age, the, the era of like talking through processes and that it takes time and it takes patience. You know, when people are like, hey, like you guys shouldn't talk about that guy seat being hot or you guys shouldn't talk about. Look, I, I know coaches, I know humans have families and we get that side of it. But the fact is the amount of money that you're being compensated and the, the expectations to also. This is not a 14 playoff. It's not a BCS National Championship game. Now you have a shot to make a 12 team playoff if you're one of the mainstream programs. Like Indiana was not in that realm. Yeah, Indiana's like a destination type. But I to your point, pft about the interim coach thing and you know, change and the, the chaos in college football, like that's my thing. This sport is so wild. This sport's so wild because I thought, I thought of Oregon State this past week. I love the Ed Orgeron sounding coach.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. After the win over, was it Washington State 10 7.

[Johnny Fanta]

We really, we. This sport is so chaotic. You could power rank the interim coaches.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well let me ask you, this is going to be a hard question. I hate to start you off like grilling you. You know, we want to do softballs. We want to butter you up a little bit. I need you to tell me is Indiana football school or a basketball school? John?

[Johnny Fanta]

Well, I do believe that it's, that it's both. I mean I.

[PFT Commenter]

Can'T be. You're not one.

[Johnny Fanta]

So to me, to me, here's my, my take on this. If Indiana football has their best season. Right. Which, which now what is their best season? Is it a national championship?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely within the realm. Yes.

[Johnny Fanta]

If Indiana football has their very best season and Indiana basketball has their very best season, which today, today the fact is that's not a national championship. Like they are not a national title contender. But if they do, let's just say Darren Devries gets them back to being a top three to five team in the country. They're going to have enough money, they've got the brand power, the Big Ten is loaded. I always liken it to okay, if you look at those two programs and they have their absolute best season, where is there more interest? And to me there's more move the needle interest. Nationally with Indiana basketball, if they are that damn great. And so my argument is Indiana will always be a basketball school first.

[Big Cat]

That's correct.

[PFT Commenter]

That is absolutely correct. But the fact that it took you that long to explain why Indiana's basketball school makes me think maybe it's a football school.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's also the Indiana football Twitter is similar to Providence College Twitter, where it's like, you don't want to get on the wrong side of those guys.

[PFT Commenter]

And I'm not saying that was a bad explanation, John. I'm saying that, like, for our entire lives, you ask that question, and the answer, it's like, why did you ask me that stupid question? Of course, basketball. No, the best part if they do win a national championship in football, is going to be we get to all tell Indiana, yeah, you're a football school now. And they will secretly grow to resent the fact that their football team won an addie because now they have to defend their basketball program.

[Johnny Fanta]

Well, the one thing that I thought about, and I agree with you, is that if somebody said, yes, Sig's got a lifetime deal. You know, if he goes three and nine, they're still. They should start building the statue anyways. And Sig's never going to go three. And I think. I think Kurt Signetti, I love him. Like, I don't know him, but, like, Sig, I love you because I think you're yourself. And I love when the camera pans to your face and you've got like 70 different expressions throughout the game. That's what people love about Hurley. It's the. It's what people love about a patino. It's what people love about, like, different figures in sport, which those are running low on the coaching side, but Sig's one of those guys where you're just like, you're captivated by it. But if Indiana basketball goes the comparable to three and nine, that's not okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

No matter if it's Bob Knight or if it's whoever the coaches, it's. It's not okay. If Indiana basketball is that bad, they. They gotta get going. Like, there's a side thing here as, as they hire Darren Devries. And think about it like, Purdue has dominated the. The sport of college basketball and the Big Ten in particular. Now in recent years, even though Michigan was the. The Big Ten tournament title, like, there are schools that your. Your main sport, it doesn't just go away. It might be in the shadows, but it's like there's just certain places that you got to get Good, because the sport's better when you're good. The sport's better when you're playing meaningful games deep into a season. Like, I, I, I think about that with, like, USC and Nebraska football. I was watching that game last Saturday and I'm like, like I'm into this game a little bit. It was during game seven of the World Series, but I was saying to myself, like, I want to see one of these two be up here, right? Not six, two, where, what are they going to be, seven and one or eight and.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. You're right. Nebraska has kind of been trying to climb that hill for a while. Same with usc. They have, they've been trying to capture that back, that magic, because USC really should never be bad with what the talent they have in Southern California. I was watching the other night, on Saturday night, you threw out an idea. You said, why not call dabo. If you're one of these schools that's looking for a coach right now, do you think there's a chance that could happen? Do you think that Dabo Sweeney could potentially not get fired from Clemson but decide to leave on his own and do a fresh start somewhere else?

[Johnny Fanta]

1 million percent, I think that he is John Calipari going to Arkansas waiting to happen.

[Memes]

Oh.

[Johnny Fanta]

Because I think, I think things, things have run their course. You want to end things in a place where, like, it wouldn't end pretty. And if you ever had to go back to Clemson. Yeah, I think the, the act on for both sides. This is like a, a, a marriage that started out really strong and had some terrific memories, and you even had a couple of kids and you're, you're proud of what you produced. But then you get about, you know, 17, 18 years into it, and you wake up one morning and you say, man, is this what I want to do for the rest of my life? And I, I am, by the way, like, I was the 14 seed on this show who met my wife for the three seed. So I just told him, I hope that she never wakes up and thinks that about my ass. But the point is, like, I want to be, I want us, honey, I want us to be together forever. I don't want us to get to 18 years and then, and then hang.

[Big Cat]

It up and have Auburn come calling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yeah, exactly right. God bless you. Freeze. I mean, he's counting his dollars somewhere. But the fact is, like, if you're dabo, you've kind of like, somebody's got to say to him, I always think about with these coaches, does anyone get through to them? Like, some of them, the answer is no. But at some point, even Cal had someone get through to him and be like, look, there's still something in there. It's just not going to happen here.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Johnny Fanta]

And like, When Cal made 16 this past year, remember the energy? Remember the feeling?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Like, think about Dabo. He go. Let's just say he goes to. I'm just going to throw it out. Let's just say he goes to Virginia Tech. Like, I don't think that'll happen because it's within the acc, but maybe he goes. Maybe he takes a Florida State or something. Maybe. Maybe he takes Florida. I mean, I don't. I don't think Florida would do it, but let's just say he does something like that. I don't think lsu. I highly doubt that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

But he takes one of those programs to the playoff, all of a sudden he writes something new that gives a different energy and sometimes more energy because that fan base has it. They haven't tasted it yet. The Clemson fans have tasted the top. Once you've tasted the top, it's so much harder to. To stay there, especially in this climate. So for Dabo, your story's written at Clemson. I think it's probably best for both parties for him to be elsewhere and for Clemson to move forward in some other way because it's run its course, guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I like this. You're selling me, Johnny. You're selling me.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Go to a place where they, they treat you like it's a new thing again. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

New positions and stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

You like a new, New career type of opportunity. Like, it's, it's, it gives you a fresh. It also, like, he's in the case in a conference that he should be winning.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Like, it's not working in the acc. All right. So why, like, if I were him, I'd be intrigued by the sec. You know why they get five teams to the playoff.

[PFT Commenter]

It's true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know if I'd be intrigued by Auburn, though. No, I feel like Auburn is. It's like the worst of both worlds because you have. You have the sec, which draws you in. You're like, okay, going to an SEC school, they care deeply and passionately about football, but at the same time, they do not tolerate. They have that expectation. Like, we're supposed to compete in the SEC. We've won two national championships in the last 25 years. Go look on the side of our stadium. We just put up A new one, you can check that one out for yourself. And that's their expectation that they have. And I don't think it's a very realistic expectation for Auburn football. So I feel like that would be, that would be a tough job to take. You need somebody that's got, that's like you have to hit a home run with that hire for it to work.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yes, there, there are levels to this. There are levels that, that's why, like, he's got to go to, he's likely got to go to one of the best openings in the sport. But as we all know, the one biggest thing in college football right now is you're at 180 plus million dollars in buyout money at this point. If you're going to fire your coach, do you realize that you're taking a number on a Saturday morning at a New York City deli during the holiday week? And you have to go and stand in that line. And that line is loaded with people who want a half pound of turkey breasts and a half pound of roast beef and a half pound of this. And you, like, LSU is one of one still. I don't care about the governor. Florida's one of one still. Penn State's one of one still. And if you are in that line and your name's not one of those three, you may not get your guy, the second guy or the third guy. So if you're going to fire your coach now, there's only so many good names. That's why, actually I would turn it and say Dabo. If there were ever a time for you to leverage yourself, it's probably right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right, Johnny, I got a question for you because now that you are at NBC, I noticed also you tweeted something the other day about Miami being number two a couple weeks ago and now being out of the playoff. Now, now I. Miami is disappointing. This was, this is what has happened to Miami the last few years. They fade. They. Every year in September, everyone says this team's different. And then they show up to ACC play and they, they don't do well. I think he's, I think Mario's 4 and 11 in November and December. So that, that aside, and we don't know the rankings yet, we talked about them at the start of the show. We're taping this before the ranks come out. You, you work for NBC now. My simple question to you is if Miami's out of the playoffs, is Notre Dame out of the playoffs?

[Johnny Fanta]

Well, today I would say that, yes.

[Big Cat]

They'Re both out of. They're both out. Okay, because. Yeah, because you know what I'm getting at here? Miami, actually Miami's loss hurts Notre Dame because Notre Dame and Miami now have the same record. And Notre Dame to get in needs Miami to now lose another one. They need him to either be a one loss team or a three loss team because they played head to head and those games have to matter.

[Johnny Fanta]

But I think the Irish, if they went out, will make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

And what if Miami wins out, also make the playoffs?

[Johnny Fanta]

I don't think so.

[Big Cat]

Now, John, you can't have that. You can't have Miami with two losses out of the playoffs and Notre Dame with two losses in the playoffs. This is the NBC showing. This is your NBC showing.

[Johnny Fanta]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. No, it's not. I'm not on the playoff. I'm not on the playoff committee. I don't decide who the teams are. I just have a gut feeling like you two do that, that you know, that this committee is gonna like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I said it right away. After their first two losses, I was like, Notre Dame's still going to go to the playoffs.

[Johnny Fanta]

And seasons evolve. I mean whether anybody like Notre Dame and Miami are different teams than who they were on Labor Day weekend, but they just are.

[Big Cat]

But do the games matter, John?

[Johnny Fanta]

They're supposed, they're supposed to, but this is where the playoff commit. I think Notre Dame will make the playoff. If I were making a bracket today, I likely would not put them there right here, right now, but I think that they will ultimately make it. The, the reason why I say with, with Miami, I should address your question of if they win out. Well, here's the thing, Big Cat. If they win out, there's still no guarantees. In fact, the odds are stacked against them that they would get a chance to fight for an automatic bid because the ACC title game, it's all but, but out for them. With. When you look at those conference standings, here they are at 2 and 2 and you got Virginia at 5 and oh, and Georgia Tech at Pittsburgh at 5 and 1 and then up three other teams at 4 and 1. I, I think that there is, there is no question. And this is more like I, I will, I'll say this about, about. And I don't think I, I really believe in this. Like I'm not giving the company. I don't think that, that we, we do a, we don't do a, a two hour long pregame show on Saturday mornings like some of the other networks do. But, but I do think there is a, you know, an issue in college football with, with the agendas and with the subjective nature of some of the, of some of the beliefs and things. You know, when I, when I put that out there, it's because I, I look at Miami and I'm like, today they're, they're not, no.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

They're not a playoff team. But I think one of the other problems is, is that there's so much of the going to bat and when people are like, well, the committee doesn't look at that stuff. Come on, they, they're, they're human beings like you and I. But even more like that, when people say, hey, what's the difference between college football and college basketball? Like, college basketball on selection Sunday, sometimes people go to bat for a team, but guys, at least half those people are going to bat for a mid major.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Bad for some high major team that went 15 and 15.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

You know, like, it's different. It's different. So that side of. It's been interesting to learn about this season, but I, I just believe that the Irish, if they win out, they're going to make the playoff. And I think Miami, I don't see Miami winning out. If they do, it's obviously a case, but I just. There's nothing about their recent play that would suggest that they're going to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

NBC, Johnny, what if the two teams played each other? What if they played against each other?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hypothetically, who would win?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, who'd win that game today?

[Johnny Fanta]

Notre Dame?

[Big Cat]

No, but who. But I like, I like that. Okay. Today. Yeah. NBC, Johnny, you guys, you listen. You got your welcome packet. You. I understand how it works. You just talked about subjectiveness. You're subjective guy now, which I get it makes sense. You gotta be.

[Johnny Fanta]

He's. He said hypothetically, if they play. Yeah, he didn't say. He didn't say. On Labor Day weekend.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, I said, you can, you can choose your own adventure. Like, you could say. Yeah, you know, I think Notre Dame, I think that it would be a big paycheck and a big spread. Oh, wait, I said the quiet part out loud. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

We love you, John. We, we, we get it. And the fact of the matter is, I don't think it's an NBC, uniquely NBC situation.

[Big Cat]

I just want to give you shit.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Notre Dame, like, they are playing good football right now. They're playing better football than Miami is at the moment. That's fair. And the committee does take that into account. We've Seen that in the past with a lot of decisions that they've made going into this time of year. So that's. It's not a secret, but if that does happen, I will completely and totally side with Miami Hurricanes fans in that situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you have to.

[Johnny Fanta]

In that situation. Remember, Notre Dame's got to keep winning. They have to win out and they have to win that game at Pittsburgh on Saturday, November 15, and that I expect that to be a big game feel out of Pitt. And that's a tough spot for Notre Dame. But I like CJ Carr and the way he's playing. And for Notre Dame, the biggest thing right now is their kicking situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

They exhausted three kickers on Saturday, so they need to find somebody who can kick the football.

[Big Cat]

Well, we'll ask college football question for me, because you do cover the Big Ten. Is it truly. And I do think this is the case that Ohio State, Indiana is very, very good. Indiana's probably the second best team. They might be number one ranked. When you're listening this, I think Ohio State is that much better than everyone else. And we've asked this question to everyone who covers college football. Is this Ohio State team better than last year's Ohio State without question.

[Johnny Fanta]

Oh, without.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they are.

[Johnny Fanta]

Because that defense is just filthy. I mean, Arval Reese and Sunny Styles, Caleb Downs and. And it's the Patricia factors.

[Big Cat]

Real.

[Johnny Fanta]

And to me, I mean, they protect Julian saying. And as a result, like when you have like guys, it is crazy to say this. Okay. Jeremiah Smith has 26 touchdowns and 24 football games. Games. He has 26 touchdowns in 24 football games. He shows up and it's. He shows up and it's 7 nothing, if not 14 nothing before you've snap the ball. And they don't allow points. What are they. They've only allowed 53 points thus far this season around that. That number. I mean, come on, how do you score on them? The only formula that I would love to just see and I. Because I'm curious. I want to see and we'll see it. I think we could see in the playoff. I mean, hell, we saw the national championship game. Notre Dame went, remember Notre Dame went right down the field and scored a touchdown. And then for the better part of the game from there, Ohio State dominated the line of scrimmage. But to me, it's like there's no game pressure on Ohio State. There's none because they can fall back on their defense. And saying smart, like saying is not getting enough credit. He's smart enough to know if I don't make mistakes, we're going to beat virtually anybody. So, Big Cat, I believe that they are. I believe that they're destined to be in the national championship game at the very least. But it is amazing because, you know, you sit here and you. We love everything, all the twists and turns with this sport. And the fact is, I didn't feel it last year when they won it all. I didn't. I was a little contrarian when they went and won it all, but now I feel it more this year. You know, I'm not saying there's any job on the line, but I'm just saying you gotta go into the big house and win that football game.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Johnny Fanta]

Like, why she won a national championship. This, this. You gotta get the burden off your back of getting owned in this rivalry in recent years. And Michigan's still tough and they do have a formula and they'll have the crowd on their side and all that. That, that's the next thing that I've got circled. But, but yeah, Ohio State has absolutely just dominated their way through this thing because they play smart football and they got the best defense. They got one of the best defenses we've seen the last 25 years in college football.

[Big Cat]

If you, if you get in the red zone, you don't score on them. It's crazy. It's nuts to watch.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Johnny Fanta]

I would, I would think that, that it would depend on what the, what the game looks like. Like what the score looks like. Is it a 35 point game? And then has there been reason to believe that there's somebody else that should jump? But I kind of liken it to like and it's only because of the sample size. We also haven't had this in college football. Right where they take the, they actually reward the four best. But like even when Auburn was struggling last year, they still got a one seed because they had built up so much rapport. And, and I do think there's a world where that committee shows up on Saturday morning and says unless there's an injury or something that is really just catastrophic for either side, we believe in their value as a top four team. Also we don't want to stay up until 11:45 and meet in a conference room again. Yeah, yeah, they're going to be, they're going to be a top four team. So I, if Ohio State, Indiana go in there, there's always a sliver. But like my answer is I don't see either one of those teams not in the, the top four.

[Big Cat]

All right, let's shift real quick to college basketball. It is back. We made it. I know this is your favorite time. I do love feast week. It's, we're, we're a couple of weeks away. It's one of my favorite weeks of the year. Like big picture going into the season. There's some really good teams. Give us your top three teams. And has it changed at all from watching on Monday night with Co Pete in and Arizona and how insanely good he was?

[Johnny Fanta]

Reward them. Reward them. Purdue, Houston, Arizona. Wow. My top three right here, right now, I'm buying the co op train and I, I think Jaden Bradley is the perfect steadying the ship guy for Arizona basketball. And when you look at, at their pedigree, Tommy Lloyd has been outstanding. He has won close to 80% of the games that he's coached in right around there. It's because his teams are just so loaded with talent and Pete, his ability to just own the game was incredible. Guys, I mean that's, that is just the second Big 12 freshman ever to have a stat line like that in their debut. You don't just come in and do that, but they've got the right pieces in their front court. You know, I think a lot of people were concerned about how they would match up with Florida's front line. Forget about it. They're. They're stacked with depth there, but they got as good a freshman as any in the country. And. And they've got the right guard in. Bradley, like Brayton Burries was not particularly good in this opener, but I like his upside, and I think big picture, he'll be all right, but Arizona is right there. Houston's not going anywhere. Like, Kelvin Sampson just got his 800th win, and he's driven to get back to that Final Four and fulfill his own destiny. Milos Use and Emmanuel Sharpe. The freshman that people aren't talking about is Chris Cenac. I think as he progresses along, will be big time. And then, guys, there's no bigger story this year, you know, but we can get to in a second on the Fresh. The freshman class is the biggest story. I can tell you why in a moment. But in terms of teams, the Final Fours in Indianapolis, you know, you guys have been doing your live shows at the Final Four. How much would you love a Final Four show from downtown Indy with Braden Smith, Fletcher Lawyer, Trey Kaufman, Wren. Good guy. Everybody's good guy. Matt Painter and Purdue potentially finally getting over the hump and winning it all. Like Payne is one of the beloved guys in the sport. They've been so close. The Big Ten's trying to snap this title drought. This is as strong of a shot as any for that drought to end. And the Boilers have the pieces to cut down the nets and could do it in their home state. That gives me chills.

[Big Cat]

I don't like Purdue, so I don't want that to happen. But, yes, that would be a cool story for people who are romantic about college basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

If you're a Purdue hater, it could even be better. It could be Purdue losing in the championship game in Indy. Yeah, you have that upside, too.

[Johnny Fanta]

Get all the way there, and they could meet dan Hurley and UConn again. And then. And then there you go.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Johnny Fanta]

Could. That could also happen.

[PFT Commenter]

So when you're talking about freshmen, were you going to talk about Darren Peterson? Because I've read a lot about this Darren Peterson kid, and he looked really, really good the other night. Is he. Is he as good as I've heard that he is?

[Johnny Fanta]

Yes. Yes. He can have a season like when Carmelo Anthony led Syracuse to a national championship.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be a pretty good season.

[Johnny Fanta]

That's the kind of impact Darren Peterson can have on Kansas because this Kansas team around Darren Peterson on paper they've got some different things that, that I would, that I would look at and say okay, I'm a little bit, that I'm a little bit concerned about big picture. But Peterson makes them go. And Florie Badoonga is a mobile postman who can cause problems for a defense. They brought in Melvin Council Jr. From Saint Bonaventure. I really like him. They brought in Trey White from Illinois. I really like him. But it's not like, like Kansas sometimes has this luxury of toys and you're just like man, they're gonna, they're no longer the hey, we just dominate the Big 12 Kansas. Houston's taking that toys porch and that Houston will win the Big 12 again in my estimation. But Kansas has the most game changing player out of the Big 12. Yes. Even more so than AJ DeBonsa like Peterson. Peterson for me is, he is, he's one, he's won today. I think that he is just a super talent and he, he and Bill Self, you know this is another storyline. Bill Self, we don't know how much longer he's going to coach. Had a bit of a health scare in the offseason. Coach Self, we love you. We're glad that you're, you're back on the sidelines. You, you're a legend, you're a hall of Famer. But we don't know how much longer he's going to go on the sidelines. What would it mean for him if he can get on one more final four run with this star studded potential number one pick? And that's just it guys. I'm telling you right now, college basketball is about to have extra juice. One because you've got a lot of players who have stayed for the money and that has that helped the sport the last couple of years. The three of us have talked about it. But when is college basketball at its absolute best? It's at its absolute best when people are talking about players who are leading title contenders and could also hear their name called as the number one, number two, number three picks in the NBA draft. The NBA draft could have the top six be college freshmen. Cameron Boozer is a winner. He's won everywhere he's gone and he's on a team that, that could win it. Darren Peterson is too. AJ Debounce as well. And now co op enters the conversation. So this freshman class and I didn't even get to Mikel Brown and Louisville like the Louisville.

[Big Cat]

No, you Didn't. I was wondering if you're going to get to him.

[Johnny Fanta]

Louisville, Kentucky's back. That rivalry is back.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Johnny Fanta]

It's gonna be bad blood, I'm telling you. The coaches will say publicly that they respect each other and that they love each other. These two coaches want to beat the hell out of each other. Pat Kelsey and Mark Pope, quietly. There's some of this going on, and you're going to see that clash. That's next week. So get ready for a taste. That rivalry is back in a big damn way, because Kentucky spent over 20 million on their roster. And Louisville, they spent a lot, too. But Kelsey's got this. Kelsey's kind of this revolutionary, energetic presence. Brown's really good, and they've got a bunch of pieces around him that I think have a chance to shine. The Cardinals are here to stay, and so are. So is Kentucky.

[Big Cat]

All right, I'm fired the hell up. Max has a question for you that he would like to ask, and it's actually not about Kevin Willard, who was at your wedding. We should all make sure that we. We say that every single. When he leaves Villanova in three years, you're going to come on this show and be like, don't worry, guys. He's actually a great guy. But either way. Max, you have a question for Johnny Football slash basketball.

[Max]

I think we're about 31 minutes into this interview yet we haven't had one mention of the Big East. Do you hate the Big east and do you hate Italians?

[Memes]

Now.

[Johnny Fanta]

Do you see the subject matter, Max? I love the Big east and I love Italians. Are you kidding me? I'm so. I'm sitting here in a hotel room in Omaha right now, getting ready to start our NBC Sports coverage of college basketball with Creighton and the South Dakota Coyotes on Wednesday night.

[PFT Commenter]

There we go.

[Johnny Fanta]

And then I'm heading. I'm heading to Hartford on Friday to call the UConn game. And then Saturday, I'm at Mohegan sun, because we've got South Florida and George Washington, but then we've got Providence in Virginia Tech.

[Zach]

There we go.

[Johnny Fanta]

All the Friar faithful are going to make Mohegan Sun. They're going to be betting 100 bucks on black and then going in the arena and they're going to be drinking, and it's going to be crazy. So I love the biggies, and I love Italians. I love meatballs. Meatballs. Prayer and hoops is. How is. Where this. That was from this show. That's how that even became a thing. And I'm always indebted to the Big East. The Big east opened up a door for me out of college to get into college basketball, this glorious sport. And guys, this is the only league where a coach, Richard Pitino and Xavier. Did you guys see this? They barely beat Marist and Richard gives out grades for his performance. If you look at the first reply, it's from an account named Jerome Hunter fan club for a guy that played at Xavier now a couple years ago. And the guy says, coach, I didn't drink as much, you know, as I'd like to. My, my beer performance wasn't very good. Patino replies immediately and says do better next time out. Like come on, that's this league in November. This league is 365 days a year. Basketball, it's always got a place at the table. And it UConn and St. John's I can't get through three minutes of a space without these two fan bases cursing each other out. I'm not kidding you. I am fully expecting like at the Garden and, and when the other matchups in Hartford to a lesser degree because it's in Hartford and Yukon, fans just fill it up. But like I don't think that those two fan base can sit near each other.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Without a full on brawl breaking out.

[Big Cat]

We got it. We got to do like you know, European soccer where it's you know, bisection and have, have just security standing in between them.

[PFT Commenter]

The Red River Shootout where you got the two sides of the stadium. Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

And I love when I asked Dan Hurley about the rivalry and he doesn't shy away from it and looks into the camera and said there's tension, there's tension.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good.

[Big Cat]

Nice.

[Johnny Fanta]

It's real. There's no love lost. It's real. And those two guys, they remember, they're both in the top five. Like we talked about all these national storylines, Max, you know this like right now, the Yukon St. John's thing has never been hotter. And if you think that those two programs want the best for one another, I'm here to tell you though, they'll, they'll be fine with them winning in non con because it only bolsters them when they meet. But when they meet it is going to be absolutely old school, 80s type physicality. And college hoops needs that. They need the pettiness, they need the, the, the commentary because helps the sport cut through and break through. It's a good thing. And that Patino Hurley rivalry guys, that's his, that's his bigger rivalry. As you're going to see. Even if they deflect it, you can't deflect it. It's this Yukon St. John superiority thing. And St. John swept Yukon last year, but Yukon won the last two national championships prior to that. So now you got this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to say anything about Kevin Willard and Villanova?

[Johnny Fanta]

Well, I'd love to get Max's like I'd be curious to get his thought, but Max, I would say I was encouraged by the opener because I thought that could go sideways and they could end up, you know, that could be a double digit loss. That's a no harm loss to byu. And Bryce Lindsay looked terrific. What did you think first half looked like?

[Max]

It could have been, could have been ugly. But you know, I think Willard got them in a right headspace going into the second half and then Bryce Lindsay caught fire and that's all we needed. The thing that I was most encouraged about is the thing that most Villanova fans were scared of going into this season is that the front court is pretty weak. And rebounding against a team as athletic as BYU and then out rebound, out rebounding them last night meant that Kevin Willard just got the boys like ready to go for that game. They were out hustling, they were out working byu, which is encouraging to see because it's not something that we've seen a lot of the past couple of years. And at least we didn't have the guys to finish that game. But they were ready to play.

[Big Cat]

I thought. Yeah, okay, good bags.

[Johnny Fanta]

Willard was committed with his rotation in the second half. You know, he, Kaden Lewis did sit down. He's gonna be. I think he could be a one.

[Max]

He's got to be better. Kaden Lewis has got to be better than last night. But he's first game and he will.

[Johnny Fanta]

And I think he will be. And I think you'll see them progress. And I, I actually think that they are going to be. I think they'll be bubbly Max, but I think they could be on the right side of the bubble. After watching them last night, that'll be a win.

[Max]

That would be a win. That would be bubbly.

[PFT Commenter]

Nova successful season.

[Big Cat]

I like bubbly.

[PFT Commenter]

No, maybe first four hours out for Nova.

[Max]

That would not be huge.

[Johnny Fanta]

I'm kind of thinking last foreign for Nova, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Disagree. My bracketology. I actually just did my bracketology before we started this conversation. I don't have any teams listed except for Villanova in my first four out section.

[Johnny Fanta]

I have Miami in my first four out.

[Big Cat]

Okay, first we're out. All right, Johnny, I got one last question for you. This has always been great. We'll have you on throughout the course of the year. Love that. College basketball is back. It's a Roback question. Rho, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take. I gotta give you a minute. Brownies. Give it to us.

[Johnny Fanta]

Oh, that was. I was gonna say to you. I'm so glad you didn't ask me about them. But that's why. This is the Roback question.

[Big Cat]

You have to.

[Johnny Fanta]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, here. Here's the thing with. With this situation, Okay? I am. And I am heading to MetLife on Sunday. I'm going to this game.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Johnny Fanta]

Between the Browns and the jets. Because my wife, when the schedule came out, she said, we need to go to the game. I was like, okay. Fun family Sunday. Could go to a farm or a pumpkin patch. No, let's. Let's head and watch these two go up against each other. Aaron Glenn and Kevin Stefan. I mean, it's literally. Now, with what the jets did at the trade deadline, this is probably. It's as close to, like, an XFL type of game that you're gonna probably see in the National Football League. It just is. I mean, here's the thing. The. The one thing that makes me. And you guys have baited me into this. The one thing that makes me. And now I'm. I'm biting the.

[Memes]

The.

[Johnny Fanta]

The.

[Zach]

The.

[Johnny Fanta]

The fishing rod. The thing that makes me more. More annoyed than anything is when there are people out there who say that the Browns are sabotaging Shador Sanders. Okay. Okay. They drafted him. They. They called and drafted him. They took him in the NFL draft. Also. I'm 30. I'm 30. I have not had one stable quarterback presence. And it's not. And yeah, Baker is now. But Baker went through multiple teams before he got to this level, and he wasn't stable. And that's also on the Browns. Like, there's two sides to every. There's three sides to every story. Both. Both sides are at fault for that. But my point is, I have never had a stable quarterback in Cleveland. Don't you think that if this guy could have an iota of playmaking and leadership and presence, then he would have gotten into the game by now?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's a good point.

[PFT Commenter]

It's fair.

[Johnny Fanta]

It's not like we're talking about some rich competition with people slinging it. And I went to training camp, and I watched Dylan Gabriel throw. And the moment I watched him throw, I'm like, look, the kid seems nice and mature, but, you know, nice and mature is not. Does not equivocate to winning football games. And I'm watching him, and I'm like, he's just not big enough to play the position in the National Football League. The fact that Sanders hasn't gotten in yet pretty much says it all about Sanders. I hope that he. Look, at this point, I want to see him play, because everything about this conversation, every single week, it's. It's become stale and nauseating, and I'm tired. And the. The Browns are so limited. They don't have a wide receiver. They don't have a wide receiver. Like, Jerry Judy is not a wide receiver. One or two right now, he's just not. And I think the frustrating thing is you get the Miles Garrett payday. And now every week, Miles Garrett saying, like, this is what's wrong with us. It's like, miles, I love you, but, like, you knew what you were signing up for. You got to be a leader. Like, you're a great player, Miles. You're a Hall of Famer. I love you. But, guys, they need a total reset. They're going to have to get a complete reset. I don't know what the owner thinks, but I'm here to tell you right now, the writing's on the wall. The Browns, they've got eight of the top 150 draft picks in the next draft. They can't have the people who have made the picks in the past make them again.

[Max]

They.

[Johnny Fanta]

They need to take out the shovel or. Excuse me, excuse. Not shovel. They need to bring in, like, the. You know, the. The stadium detonation crew. The whole thing's got to come down, and you gotta get new people in there. That the end of story. And as for Shador Sanders, guys, I hope I see him this Sunday at MadLife, because I'm. Every week. Cat and PFT. Every week. These people say the Browns are ruining the Browns. Are this the Brown. Like, okay, just play. What do you have to. You have nothing to lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

And I'm here to watch it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's. It's worth just taking a look and seeing what you got. But, yeah, the preseason discourse of. Of the. The offensive line isn't blocking for Shador. You don't. You don't believe that. That sounded legit to me. When I heard that, I was like, yeah, These guys are trying to make an NFL roster, but they also have the opportunity to make sure it looks silly. So they're probably going to go with a silly option.

[Johnny Fanta]

They drafted him and people are like, oh, they're sabotaging. They're the ones who picked him and people are like, well, you know, he could be situationally better somewhere else. Where? Colorado. I hope he pans out. I do. Guys, like, there's going to be Twitter that reacts. This is going to be somebody on Twitter that says Fanta hate. Shador. No, no. I'm like, I literally pray every night. I pray for my son, my wife, and the Browns to find a damn quarterback. And if Shador Sanders. If what if he goes in there and actually slings it, then, you know, the house cleaning I talked about, it should happen like during the game because that means that you help. You put Dylan Gabriel. Remember, they drafted Gabriel in the third round. That, to me, that's the biggest. Because Gabriel probably would have been there in the fifth round. They drafted him in the third round of the National Football League draft. Draft. I just. And then Flacco goes to Cincinnati and he's putting up over 40 points. I can't. I just. I can't wrap my head around. They were in the playoffs less than 24 months ago and now they're back to square one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

This is my life as a football fan. It's why I've been relatively quiet this season, because I'm out of words.

[PFT Commenter]

I think maybe what the Browns need to do is they need to have different guys draft offensive players and defensive players. It's a different skill that you guys are really good at. Drafting defense.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Johnny Fanta]

Out.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. You don't want to miss out on that right now. I think you've got a great defense. I think that the defense right now, it's like, yeah, if. If I'm looking at the Browns as a three, four year project, I could see him being good in a couple years. But then I remind myself they would need to draft some guys on offense, too. And that's not really. I guess they can draft running backs.

[Big Cat]

There's two sides to the ball, to the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, just bring in. Bring in a quarterback guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Bring in a quarterback guy.

[Johnny Fanta]

We haven't had a kid or. And I mean, we just. We just cannot. It's. Guys, pray for me. I can't. You know, I just. Sunday, I feel like I'm going to church with these Jet fans. Like, I'm going to reach across the aisle and give him a hug. We're in the same. We're all in this together. That Browns jets game. I know, I know you two are avid football viewers and you love it. I can't wait to get any sort of in game feel update vibe from. You're going to have to keep an eyeball at times on what's happening within that game.

[Big Cat]

Oh, we'll have it on tv. We have it on every. We have every game on in the cave. It will probably be the side tv but yeah, we'll have it on.

[PFT Commenter]

Instead of national anthem they should do Peace be with you.

[Big Cat]

I can't believe you're going to that game. Are you bringing. It's supposed to be raining and like miserable.

[Johnny Fanta]

It's not coming. My son is not coming. My wife really wanted. She wanted to go and I. I've got a buddy coming in from Cleveland. So it's one of those things where this has been. You know. You ever said something on the calendar in the sports world?

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Johnny Fanta]

Well, you know what guys? I will wake up Sunday morning. This is the power of the National Football League. We will all wake up on Sunday morning and hope springs eternal. It's the is. It's amazing how it does that on a Sunday morning. You. You get in the shower and you just feel like, you know what? Today could be the day. Today could be the day I find something out I didn't know yet about my team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep, you could.

[Zach]

You're right.

[Big Cat]

You could. I think you could win that game so. Well.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yeah, we could. But what? But it could cost us whatever. We probably could. The. It's. I can't believe we beat the Packers. The packers have had the strangest season at this point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

How strange season been?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Two really bad losses on there.

[Big Cat]

Yep. And a tie.

[Johnny Fanta]

And a tie. A tie to Dallas, who stinks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it is. It's a very bizarre season for the Packers. They're seemingly a good team, but they then have dropped these wild games. All right, Johnny, you're the best. We love you. And have fun at Creighton. Have fun at MetLife. You're going to Hartford on Friday. You're everywhere.

[Johnny Fanta]

So Hartford Friday and then here we go. Mohegan Sun Saturday. We got South Florida. Brian Hodgson has the American. They could win the American. It's them in Memphis. USF could win it. They're taking on George Washington. The Revolutionaries. They have a team that's dangerous. Watch out for George Washington and the Atlantic 10. A 10 could get a couple bids this year. In our second game we have Providence and Virginia Tech. Both teams look like dark horses in their respective leagues. The Big east, the acc. Then guys and, and, and I'm excited about this. I'm hopping in the car from Mohegan Sun. I'm driving to the studio Saturday night. We've got Notre Dame and Navy, but you can bet your tail I'll have your game break updates and some stuff at the half and we'll have you covered on NBC for the Irish and Navy.

[Big Cat]

I love it. I love it. Well, John, you're the best. We love having you on and we'll talk soon. And also next time, if you're ever in Chicago again and you don't at least text, I will be. He came here a couple of weeks ago not even a text. I don't need you to come by. I need you to text and just be like, hey, I'm around.

[PFT Commenter]

You got a layover at o'. Hare.

[Big Cat]

Just text. Just send a text. A courtesy text.

[Johnny Fanta]

We're going to make it happen. I early gaze without knowing anything. Sir, I believe February, I will be in the Chicago area and you have my word you won't just get a text. You. You may very well get a visit.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And if we're on vacation the. The second week of February, I'm gonna cancel my vacation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I will too cancel the vacation.

[Johnny Fanta]

That, you know, I don't want you to, I don't want you to do any of that. But I, I love you guys and love the show and appreciate our friendship and you know what? Like we, you guys do. We always have fun talking. Like, I freaking love. It's really been fun to jump into college football and I love college sports. You can talk about all the chaos and all that stuff. That's all, that's the beauty in it. The beauty is sometimes in the, the disaster. And it's, it's, it's not disaster. To me, it's the best. So I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you, John.

[Big Cat]

Thanks, John. We'll talk to you later.

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[Zach]

What the.

[PFT Commenter]

We got some breaking moves right now. Memes, you like sauce? Gardner has been traded to the Indianapolis Colts. Rap sheet reported it in rap port.

[Big Cat]

Whoa.

[Zach]

Damn.

[Big Cat]

Memes, Thoughts?

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, what?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, that's, that's, Those are the thoughts.

[PFT Commenter]

This is, this is actually the start of a bad. Yeah, this is not gonna be good. Sauce just tweeted out New York. It's been real.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man. Memes, what are your thoughts?

[Memes]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

So this is gonna be at the end of the show during we're about to partner your takes. You'll probably hear more. You probably already heard good thoughts from Memes. This is just straight up. We're recording, we recorded part of the show at the beginning of the day. This is as, as natural as go Savage mode.

[Memes]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

What are you gonna say?

[PFT Commenter]

He's in shock.

[Memes]

I, I, I, I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to see the deal.

[Max]

You got to see what you got.

[Memes]

They had him signed till 2030.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So you might have gotten a haul for him.

[Big Cat]

Great move by the cold.

[PFT Commenter]

Two first round picks. That's, that's a lot. You got a lot for him.

[Big Cat]

Two first round picks. A lot. That's a rebuild. Doesn't he love golf too much? Right? Theme of the day. Oh, man. Two first round picks is good. Memes. Memes. Come. He's not even talking.

[Memes]

This wasn't even that. That just means everybody's available. That's not good. That's not good.

[Zach]

Patriots need to get breezed.

[Memes]

Shut the up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Memes. Oh, that's good. That's mean. No, he's right. You do need to shut the fuck up.

[Big Cat]

I think this is good for them. This is good for the rebuild, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Two first rounders. Memes, you can do a lot with that.

[Max]

What if you just collect all of the first rounders? You could get, you could get, you.

[Big Cat]

Get the whole, the whole, you get the whole first round. Dude. This is actually good for you. You're not going to be good for a couple years. Right?

[Memes]

Right.

[Big Cat]

So now you can, now you can go so much defense and you get like a really good cornerback.

[Max]

That was up that was up.

[Big Cat]

Sorry, Memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Think about this way. You got two first round picks. That's a lot.

[Big Cat]

That's a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Sounds like a good haul. Also, Sauce being on the Colts, there's a good chance that he can then defeat Hanks Patriots in the playoffs for you.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Also, what if Daniel Jones becomes Daniel Jones again? Those picks could be really good picks.

[Zach]

Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

[Big Cat]

Now we're talking.

[Max]

Yeah, we want.

[Zach]

We want.

[Big Cat]

Now means.

[Zach]

Now we're talking big heads.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Zach]

Means we want the Colts to tank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Daniel Jones again then either this year or next year and you could have a top 10 pick.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Memes]

Yeah. This is. This is sad.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'm sorry.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, it sucks.

[Big Cat]

People heard memes explain it better at the beginning of the show. You did do a better job. You were a lot more.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there was a bigger argument.

[Big Cat]

There was a bigger argument. Okay. Pardon your take.

[PFT Commenter]

Part of your take.

[Zach]

The NFL has conspired with all kickers to suck for the Falcons, and they won't allow them to sign Rodrigo Blaine Blankenship because he would put them over the top.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's the missing piece.

[Big Cat]

Did Rodrigo write that? Yeah, I think he might have.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he did.

[Big Cat]

That's definitely. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Rodrigo, thanks for listening to the show. We're big fans of you.

[Big Cat]

We're huge fans.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on the pod sometime. We'd love to have you on.

[Big Cat]

Great take.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the one.

[Big Cat]

I think most people were like, hey, where's my Rodrigo take? There it is.

[PFT Commenter]

The one thing the Falcons have been missing is Blankenship. We've been saying that. I. I do think that any kicker that wears that uniform like you, you have to overcome a lot. Either bring back young way coo or. I think they were going to sign Zayn, right? Yeah, I think they were going to sign. Sign Zayn. He's. He's good.

[Max]

Have you seen his.

[Big Cat]

He does a.

[Max]

Like a video every week, and it's like making this video until I get signed by another NFL team. And then he's like, I will be making the. The longest field goals of the week until somebody signs me.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, Zane does that.

[Max]

No, Rodrigo does that. Oh, so that's probably.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

If this isn't actually Rodrigo, it's somebody who's watching those videos.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's Rodrigo, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? You know what I might do? I might do that same weekly video. The shortest field goal of the week. I'll make it every week. That's a guaranteed first try.

[Big Cat]

What I might do is I might do a video of me watching Rodrigo do his video and then tell people to sign. Rodrigo reacts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, a reaction video. What was the shortest field goal last week? Probably like 27 yards, 30 yards.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You got that. Yeah.

[Max]

You just love things that are short.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, damn, that was good. Wait, but wait, that's like.

[Max]

You love yourself.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I love myself. Yeah, it's.

[Big Cat]

I love myself.

[Max]

We promote self. Love, love.

[PFT Commenter]

We do.

[Big Cat]

What's that song? Hey, I don't know that song and.

[Zach]

I don't mean anything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I don't know. I think Memes wrote this one. Hey, Badger Cat, Duke, pft and Spartan. Hank. Comebacks are not as impressive as, I don't know, Spartan.

[Big Cat]

I don't know where you became Michigan State, but I like it.

[PFT Commenter]

Throughout the winding journey of this podcast, I don't recall you ever being.

[Zach]

I was there for a week.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did do one thing.

[Zach]

Well, not Big Ten. My big Ten journey. Yeah. Comebacks are not as impressive as everyone says they are. It's the team that is down's fault that they are down. Comebacks are just wins, the same way that any other win is a win.

[PFT Commenter]

Specifically.

[Zach]

I hate the glazing over the Patriots coming back from down 28 to three. It's Tom Brady's fault that they scored their three points through almost three quarters. It's bogus as hell that he gets more credit when he's the one that put them in the spot. That is a take.

[PFT Commenter]

That. That is a take.

[Zach]

Talk about pardoning your take.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, comebacks actually suck.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was. I mean, it's like Brett Favre used to. Used to be down because he was playing bad, and then he would have a game winning drive. It's like, holy shit. Well, yeah, he's kind of right.

[Memes]

He did it again.

[Big Cat]

You could have just played. You could have just played like you played in the fourth quarter. In the first quarter. You never would have had to do it. So the Broncos, 33 points, the fourth quarter. Is that. That impressive? Why not just score a few points in the first half and you don't have to score 33.

[PFT Commenter]

By the same token, would you say that blowing a comeback actually. Actually isn't that bad because you got the lead in the first place? Yeah, you'd have to say both. Right. So you have to say, like, Dan Quinn, great job in that Super Bowl. Awesome Super. He out coached Bill Belichick for majority.

[Big Cat]

Of the Super Bowl.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Johnny Fanta]

Over.

[Big Cat]

Over half the game.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you'd have to. I do like to take though It's a good take.

[Zach]

Weird take. Why the don't two point conversion stats count? QB throws an interception on two point conversion. They should be dinged for an interception. Sacks, fumbles, etc. Quite possibly the dumbest ever. And it's right in front of our faces. That guy lost.

[PFT Commenter]

Fantasy, fantasy, fantasies.

[Max]

That guy had a. Receptions.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Prop.

[Max]

Yeah, that didn't count.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Because that is.

[Max]

I am a thousand percent on this guy's side.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

It's meaningful into the game. That's like. That's more meaningful than like a random.

[Big Cat]

You should count it.

[Zach]

Touchdown down.

[Big Cat]

Also walk should count towards total bases.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yes. That's a crazy one.

[Max]

Although that would with all the other like the juice on all of them.

[Big Cat]

Okay, fine. But still, I. I got on base nine times.

[PFT Commenter]

I relearned that every single year in baseball. Betting on baseball walks don't count. They don't. But I agree with this guy. There should be. It should fall in. It should be its own category.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It should be two point conversion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But no, the reception should count.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, there's. I'm waiting for the one point safety. Yeah, that would be awesome.

[Zach]

All right, last one. Sup, boys. Why don't teams use a big boy as running back at the goal line anymore? I. E. The Bears using the fridge in the 85 Super Bowl. Hand the ball to your biggest guy and let them bulldoz at defenders into the end zone.

[PFT Commenter]

Speed.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, fullbacks. I love fullbacks and I think that there's a place for them in the game. Patrick Ricard. Derrick Henry's rushing yards went way up when he got back. Although he did get. Ricard got pushed around a little bit this past weekend. But that's fine.

[Big Cat]

He'll.

[PFT Commenter]

He'll bounce back from it. But I agree. I think that we tried though.

[Big Cat]

The Bears tried and they fumbled. Doug Kramer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There should be more big boys that get touchdowns right up the gut. Like there's no room in this league for a TJ Duckett anymore.

[Big Cat]

Did you see what the Seahawks did on the kickoff against Commanders?

[Shane]

They.

[Big Cat]

They put two 300 pounders and then immediately caused a fumble.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Big guys running down the field.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Who's the biggest guy we got? I guess Matlock.

[Big Cat]

Desmond Watson.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or whatever his name is.

[PFT Commenter]

Says name Desmond Watson.

[Big Cat]

Is that his name?

[Shane]

Tomorrow, practice squad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Weight loss.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, a guy that's. That's running with a football.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Let him out there. Penny Soul would be an awesome back.

[PFT Commenter]

He'd be great. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Good show, boys. Oh, more breaking News.

[Zach]

Yeah. Live golf is expanding to 72 whole tournaments starting next year.

[Big Cat]

That did not.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait.

[Big Cat]

That did not. That did not warrant a breaking move.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought that there was.

[Big Cat]

Take it back. Take the cow back.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought there was NFL trade.

[Big Cat]

Take the cow back. That did not warrant. That did. And that also probably isn't even news. It was probably Hank's live golf connect texted was like, hey, broke. Hey, I'm gonna give you a thousand bucks. Can you pretend it's breaking news?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think that counts as news.

[Big Cat]

No. Take the cow back, do the.

[Max]

The breaking move sound and then we'll. We'll reverse it.

[Big Cat]

No, he knows how to reverse it. He's reversed it before. That's breaking. Reverse the cow.

[Zach]

That's doing move.

[Big Cat]

Reverse the cow.

[PFT Commenter]

Who are the four aces?

[Max]

Actually, that was better.

[Zach]

That was better.

[PFT Commenter]

Who are the four aces?

[Big Cat]

Not.

[Zach]

No, we're not talking news. We're not talking.

[PFT Commenter]

Also isn't live. It's roman numerals for 54. Are they gonna change the name?

[Zach]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Who cares?

[Zach]

We're not talking about.

[PFT Commenter]

Move on.

[Zach]

Move on. Move on. Move on.

[Big Cat]

We can't talk about it.

[PFT Commenter]

72 in Roman.

[Johnny Fanta]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Interesting storyline that's just broke on the Internet, but yeah, God forbid.

[Big Cat]

Interesting storyline.

[PFT Commenter]

What's next? They're gonna wear. They're gonna wear pants now? LX xii. That sounds good, Lexi. Yeah. The new golf league.

[Big Cat]

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[Zach]

I mean, he was mean to me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're right.

[Memes]

Leave your keys out.

[Big Cat]

Oh, what is that supposed to mean?

[Memes]

What, fill your car up with jelly beans.

[PFT Commenter]

He's gonna steal your car.

[Big Cat]

That. I'm giving you full permission to do that as a pmtv.

[Zach]

I'll take my car back.

[Big Cat]

Well, I'll take my car back.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you make?

[Big Cat]

You made.

[Johnny Fanta]

Did you.

[Big Cat]

What'd you say?

[PFT Commenter]

I made a dollar. I have two dollars that's made.

[Zach]

I'm 100 profit.

[Big Cat]

You gotta sell it to Zach next. Memes for $3. Just keep passing around the car. All right, What's. What's everyone's number? I have one.

[Max]

That's also not true, because hank gave him $2,000.

[Memes]

2500.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you still haven't gotten it fixed, right? No. So you. So I sold Hank my old car for $1. He got. Did I get in the car accident?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Zach]

Literally, the week before I gave it to Memes. I fucking backed into a pole in my garage.

[Big Cat]

And then you gave it to Memes and you said, here's 2000 to fix it, and it's still not fixed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That was what, four years ago?

[Zach]

Three. Yeah, three years.

[Memes]

Yeah. But I put a lot of money into it. Hank gave me. Gave me it without oil.

[Big Cat]

That's a lot of money.

[Max]

That's gotta be 2500 bucks.

[Shane]

True.

[Memes]

No, it's very true. The guy was like this.

[PFT Commenter]

This is black.

[Memes]

Did some damage to the inside.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean. So I'm seeing that was probably big oil change.

[Big Cat]

That was not Big Cat because I changed my oil religiously. Same. No, you didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. I'm seeing a lot of positive reaction for this trade.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's good.

[PFT Commenter]

Everyone's saying, good job, Jazz.

[Big Cat]

What's your number, everyone?

[Max]

77.

[PFT Commenter]

39.

[Big Cat]

44 means you have to say 86.

[Memes]

Thinking I was gonna say, you want it.

[PFT Commenter]

55. Do two for two.

[Max]

First round picks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, get his ass names.

[Big Cat]

23. We'll do one more.

[Johnny Fanta]

And we'll do 23.

[Big Cat]

We'll do one more.

[Max]

Everyone keep their number.

[Big Cat]

Everyone say your number again. 1, 8, 55.

[PFT Commenter]

What did you say?

[Big Cat]

Memes? You.

[Zach]

I said three means you.

[Big Cat]

You changed your number just now. I don't think you picked.

[Memes]

I didn't have a number.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you didn't?

[Max]

Yeah. He never said that.

[PFT Commenter]

One didn't count?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so we got no.

[Big Cat]

Well, it counted. Counts as a pick for me.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta reset.

[Big Cat]

No pick no pick counts.

[Max]

Oh, it's that one.

[Big Cat]

Three. No, it's 34. All right, memes, what is your number?

[Johnny Fanta]

Eight.

[Big Cat]

Okay, why eight? Everyone else has their number.

[Memes]

Says it right there.

[Big Cat]

Here, you're going the Zach method.

[Memes]

Yeah. Eight for pft.

[Johnny Fanta]

Oh, so close.

[Big Cat]

Meme six.

[PFT Commenter]

It looks a lot like six. You should have picked six.

[Zach]

Damn. That's the one I want on.

[Big Cat]

You want to do one more memes?

[Memes]

It says eight right there.

[Big Cat]

No, do one more. We'll do one more. Everyone's got to keep their numbers. What is their numbers? I'm 1.

[PFT Commenter]

55.

[Max]

77 memes is 8.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

I actually might be rooting for memes right now.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd be. It'd be awesome.

[Big Cat]

20.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.