NFL Trades, Raiders Dysfunction, Who’s The Next Sam Darnold? Roger Bennett In Studio Talking Soccer And World Cup + Fyre Fest Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take – Episode Summary

Episode: NFL Trades, Raiders Dysfunction, Who’s The Next Sam Darnold? Roger Bennett In Studio Talking Soccer And World Cup + Fyre Fest Of The Week
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Date: March 6, 2026

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the NFL pre-free agency period with an emphasis on recent blockbuster trades (DJ Moore, Stefon Diggs), the unique roster-building philosophy of the Los Angeles Rams, and a perennial discussion: “Who’s the next Sam Darnold?” The show features soccer analyst Roger Bennett in studio, providing hilarious and insightful takes on the upcoming World Cup, American soccer culture, and global football narratives. The episode closes with the traditional “Fyre Fest of the Week,” full of relatable gripes and hilarious asides.

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Major Segments & Insights

1. Spring Forward, Clocks and Timezones

• [02:28–03:48] Light banter about daylight saving, and the universal confusion it brings. Max realizes his early Sunday flight loses an hour:
  Max: “I just realized I’m losing an hour…that kind of stinks.”
  The conversation sets up the loose, conversational tone of the episode.

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2. NFL Trade Frenzy & Free Agency Talk

DJ Moore Traded to Bills

• [03:56–08:45]
  • DJ Moore is dealt by the Bears to the Bills for a second-round pick.
  • Big Cat mourns Moore’s departure while praising the deal for both teams, noting salary cap relief and hope in rookie receivers Rome Odunze and Luther Burden.
    • “He took a team that sucked in terms of the wide receiver room and made Justin Fields look pretty good at times.” — Big Cat (04:11)
  • DJ Moore’s “bad body language” and knack for big moments are discussed.
  • Memes: “He’s first team, maybe Mount Rushmore of current NFL bad body language guys.” (05:22)
  • Both agree Moore’s impact was positive; trust in Bears’ young receivers and coaching is crucial.
  • There’s healthy skepticism: Will they regret this trade mid-season if the rising talent doesn’t pan out?

Rams Roster Philosophy: “F--- the Picks”

• [09:12–13:47]
  • Hosts analyze the Rams’ notorious strategy of trading away first-round picks for proven veterans.
  • Recap of how few first-rounders they’ve drafted since Jared Goff (2016):
    “Draft picks outside of the top 10 don’t matter as much… Rams have realized, instead of taking risks on a bunch of 21-year-olds, let's get the known commodity.” — Big Cat (10:02)
  • Recognition that the Rams’ model is unique, depends on front office stability, and can’t be replicated by most franchises.
  • A “win-win trade” debate ensues, with reference to the Chiefs-Rams McDuffie deal.

Stefon Diggs Cut, WR Market, and Tampering

• [14:13–17:39]
  • Stefon Diggs is cut; Hank expresses disappointment:
    “Sad to see him go.” — Hank (14:17)
  • Talk shifts to WR trade market. Adam Schefter’s report: the Eagles won’t move AJ Brown unless offered a first-round pick.
  • Big Cat fantasizes about a “Free Agency/Fantasy Draft Day” event, with GMs in one room, deals announced on stage.
    • “Imagine just getting juiced up for an NFL Sunday even though they’re not playing football.” (17:11)
  • Mr. Beast and IShowSpeed suggested (tongue-in-cheek) as fantasy event hosts.

QB Market and the “Next Sam Darnold” Debate

• [47:53–56:56]
  • Power-ranking free agent QBs, mixing real names (Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Jimmy G) with beloved memes (Malik Willis).
  • “Let’s make a list of our next Sam Darnolds.” (47:56)
  • Criteria: Which young/middling QB will follow Darnold’s path as backup, reclamation project, or journeyman?
    • Candidates debated: Kyler Murray, Mac Jones, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, Justin Fields.

Key Quotes:

• “If you want a winner, Aaron Rodgers. If you want a winner, there’s one obvious pick.” — Hank, deadpan (48:34)
• “This is the official bible, because there are certainly some scouts and maybe possibly GMs that listen to this show…” — Big Cat (47:53)

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3. Raiders Dysfunction & NFL Front Office Drama

• [36:22–45:14]
  • Deep-dive into The Athletic’s piece on Raiders chaos, Max Crosby’s unhappiness, and the shadow influence of Tom Brady and Alex Guerrero within Raiders brass.
  • Hank defends the idea of an owner’s surrogate, but the group rightly questions Guerrero’s role and reputation.
    • “Nobody really trusts Alex Guerrero and no one really knows what he does.” — Big Cat (38:08)
    • “Does not sound like a doctor to me.” — Memes (45:47)

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4. The Most Famous Person on Earth? (The “IShowSpeed vs. Trump” Debate)

• [19:46–34:37]
  • Offbeat, hilarious “embrace debate”: Who is more globally known, Donald Trump or streamer IShowSpeed?
    • Zach: “I do think that IShowSpeed is globally more famous than Donald Trump.” (20:38)
  • The room erupts in incredulity; everyone else sides with Trump, using logic, population numbers, and textbook references.
  • Multiple deadpan one-liners:
    • “Zach, do you have a parasocial relationship with IShowSpeed?” — Memes (33:59)
    • “Taylor Swift is bigger than IShowSpeed globally. Music transcends everything.” — Zach, conceding (32:16)
  • Culminates in consensus: Trump still edges out Speed, but “both are huge.”

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5. NCAA Basketball & College Sports Talk

• [57:31–62:41]
  • Discussion on the transfer portal era hurting old-school “senior night” and school loyalty moments:
    “There are only 22 high major scholarship players who will celebrate senior night this week having played at just one place. That’s pretty crazy.” — Big Cat (58:45)
  • Proposals: Extra eligibility or honorary PhDs for players who stay at one school.

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6. College Basketball Embrace Debate

• [63:23–66:14]
  • Fun embrace debate: “Are the Celtics Jayson Tatum’s or Jalen Brown’s team?”
    • Big Cat: “This season, it’s Jalen Brown’s team.” (65:43)
    • Hosts agree that roles (Batman/Robin, Justice League) shift mid-season, especially after injury.

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7. World Baseball Classic & the “Grand Slam” of American Sports

• [66:16–68:58]
  • Dismissive but affectionate banter over early WBC games, differing opinions on global team nicknames and US sports dominance.
    • Memes: “I would love…to win the World Baseball Classic and then the World Cup and it would just be the summer of America.” (68:46)
  • Joke pact to get pets/take “silly bets” if the US wins the World Cup, then back out because they “don’t want to root to get a cat.”

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Interview: Roger Bennett in Studio – World Cup Preview & Global Soccer Culture

[74:10–131:38]

Roger’s Unique Voice

Roger Bennett (Men in Blazers) brings unmatched energy, wit, and perspective to the state of the global game and US soccer. Sprinkled with British self-deprecation, American optimism, and giddy storytelling.

Key Topics

• History of English Failure & American Dreams

  • “40 Years of Shit” history book, USMNT’s lone knockout win (vs. Mexico), and the “dream-on team” spirit (75:12).
  • Roger’s love for America: “I love this nation like Kenny Powers loves this nation. Our women kick ass and take names. Our men, you know, we love a dream team.” (74:53)

• The World Cup’s Cultural Power

  • Why Americans love the World Cup, not club soccer: the magnitude, pride, and fleeting pop culture characters (“the pop culture icons that pop up every four years”). (77:31)
  • Explains "it's coming home,” England’s endless hope, national trauma, “the whole nation is Charlie Brown with Lucy kicking.” (78:46)

• Breakdowns of Soccer Nations & Stereotypes

  • Brazil — "Soul of the place is freedom of expression... woven in, like high school basketball in Indiana." (81:31)
  • Spain — "They have such tactical discipline... They develop like little Ewoks who are just so comfortable." (81:27)
  • American youth soccer compared to Spain: “To win under-8 through under-10 in America, you just put the big kid in. In Spain, 'sod the score', let the little kids enjoy.” (83:12)
  • On USMNT psyche: "If you want to win a World Cup, first you have to actually believe that you can win a World Cup." — Memes (83:46)

• What the US Needs to Win

  • “The whole world loves that we are still inferior there. … When they played that big team for the first time, off the record: ‘Did you really think you could win?’ — ‘Not really.’” — Roger Bennett (84:33)
  • Calls for “a crazy”/Brian Bosworth–type on the US men’s team to instill unshakable belief.

• On the 2026 World Cup in North America

  • “Every Premier League team, the majority…are owned by Americans… Boston Red Sox own Liverpool. Chelsea owned by the Dodgers. The Buccaneers [Glazers] run Manchester United.” (91:06)
  • Cultural clashes: No relegation, “socialism for rich guys.”
  • American sports: no punishment for failure, major stadiums plastered with ads compared to European grounds’ restraint.

• Soccer Rules and Innovations

  • Hosts & Roger propose:
    • Clock should stop for flops, ball out of bounds
    • “An American century of football is coming… J.J. Watt has already changed the VAR debate!” (125:43)

• Best World Cup Champion, Favorite Memories

  • Messi’s 2022 Argentina: “It was like Plato’s Cave football… Sisyphus rolling the rock up the hill.” (108:13)
  • Maradona’s 1986: “He did everything Messi did on cocaine. And he was fatter!” (108:26)

• England’s Self-Loathing, Schadenfreude, and Fan Culture

  • “If you gave an English person the choice between his own success and your failure, he’d choose your failure every day of the week.” (93:51)

• Predictions, Who Needs the Big One

  • Roger tips Norway as a dark horse (Erling Haaland-led), but ultimately: “Anybody but England.” (128:25)
  • The answer to “Who needs a World Cup?”: Cristiano Ronaldo—“What would piss him off more, that he’s never won it, or that Messi just did?” (130:09)
  • Fat Ronaldo conspiracy theories referenced with delight.

Notable Quotes

• “Football is a pleasure that hurts.”—Roger Bennett quoting Eduardo Galeano on Everton fandom (91:55)
• “We own everything. It doesn’t feel as in your face when it has an English accent, it works.” — Big Cat on Roger’s patriotic optimism (93:29)

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Fyre Fest of the Week (Funny Personal Grievances)

[133:32–145:14]

• Hank: Dentist trauma, endless spiders, dad’s home improvement, awkward dental mishaps.
• Memes: Ate a protein bar, farted uncontrollably. “There was a point in the middle of the night… I farted pretty much nonstop for about 2 minutes.” (141:18)
• Big Cat: First kid’s broken bone (son’s wrist)—becomes a schoolyard flex.
• Max: Lamenting after-effects of “Double Doug” fast food challenge.
• Zach: Existential crisis—realizing he may never be good at golf.

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Memorable Moments & Running Jokes

• [05:41] Calling for a “Mount Rushmore of bad body language” in the NFL.
• [19:46–34:37] The "IShowSpeed vs. Trump" viral debate, one of the more surreal, quotable tangents.
• [62:41] “Fins Up!”—LIU Sharks’ quirky March Madness tradition gets love.
• [66:43] Hosts making fake pledges to get exotic pets if the US wins the World Cup (“You gotta get an animal you don’t want. You gotta get a ferret.”)
• [92:36] Roger Bennett: “If your sports team are absolute bollocks and everything else is OK, you’re doing pretty well.”
• [140:19] “Meatball soup is a fart factory. It’s eating a fart.” — Big Cat

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• NFL Trades & DJ Moore Discussion: 03:56 – 08:45
• Rams’s Roster Philosophy: 09:12 – 13:47
• Stefon Diggs, WR Market & Free Agency Draft Day: 14:13 – 17:39
• IShowSpeed vs. Trump Debate: 19:46 – 34:37
• Raiders Dysfunction & Alex Guerrero: 36:22 – 45:14
• Next Sam Darnold QB Debate: 47:53 – 56:56
• College Basketball Tradition Loss: 57:31 – 62:41
• Sports Debate (Celtics’ Team): 63:23 – 66:14
• WBC/Grand Slam Run: 66:16 – 68:58
• Roger Bennett Interview: 74:10 – 131:38
• Fyre Fest: 133:32 – 145:14

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Conclusion

Classic PMT: insightful sports takes, wild debates, and unfiltered, often self-deprecating humor. The hosts leverage Roger Bennett’s soccer wisdom to bridge cultural gaps ahead of the World Cup, grapple with NFL chaos, and compile their signature QB “who’s-falling-off” lists. The “Fyre Fest” segment proves that no sports podcast is complete without airing life’s smallest grievances—often involving food, farts, and dental work. Even if you missed the episode, you’re now armed with the most memorable moments, outrageous analogies, and, perhaps, a new appreciation for both world football and the balloon spider menace.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

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[Hank]

Patino.

[Memes]

Aw, Harry.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Barn and mite.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

On my take. Part of my take.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Part of my take. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, March 6th. And it's time to change our clocks, boys.

[Memes]

Let's go.

[Big Cat]

We're actually we're going to do it

[Memes]

spring and I was Saturday. I was wrong. It's Spring forward. Yeah, I said spring back. That was a mistake. Spring forward, it's fallback. But it's this weekend.

[Big Cat]

We.

[Roger Bennett]

We.

[Big Cat]

It's always screwed up.

[Memes]

You do it, it's the weekend and then next weekend. That's selection Sunday.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Hank, you ready to spring forward?

[Hank]

I am.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You don't trust us?

[Hank]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

That's. It's gonna be the.

[Hank]

The.

[Big Cat]

It's gonna be getting sun setting at like 6:30 this time next week.

[Hank]

I. That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're. We're there.

[Memes]

We're here.

[Big Cat]

Well, Max, why are you looking at me like that? You don't believe us?

[Max]

No, I do believe you, but I'm just now real. Never mind.

[Big Cat]

Oh, time zones.

[Memes]

Just now time.

[Max]

I have a flight. I have a flight Sunday morning. So now I just realize I'm losing an hour.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you got to get there an hour earlier. Cuz they don't. Airports don't do the. No, the airports switch it on Monday morning. That's a fact. Because they don't want to screw up anyone on the weekend.

[Memes]

It sucks that you have that. That's taking away an hour of bar time for you on Saturday night.

[Max]

Yeah, no, I'm also thinking about that. That kind of stinks, but I am happy about.

[Memes]

It's time travel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're time traveling. Okay boys, we got a lot to get to but NFL pre free agency.

[Memes]

What offseason.

[Big Cat]

What offseason? D.J. moore traded to the Buffalo Bills for a second rounder and then the Bears. So the Bears get a second rounder this year. They give also a fifth rounder next year to the Bills. I'm sad to see DJ Moore go a little bit because he actually did kind of. When you look at the history of DJ Moore in Chicago, he. He took a team that sucked in terms of wide receiver rooms. Made Justin Fields look pretty good at times.

[Memes]

Or make Justin Fields feel really good.

[Big Cat]

Feel really good.

[Memes]

He loved Justin Fields.

[Big Cat]

Had some unbelievable moments this year, especially the packers walk off game in Week 16. Always, you know, sit in my mind and some not great moments, but it doesn't matter. He was a good Bear. But it was a. I love this trade. I love this trade because you clear up money. He's got a big, pretty hefty contract. So you clear up money to maybe go get a Max Crosby or a Linder Bomb. You get a pick and you make the bet that Luther Burden and Roma Dunes are going to be taking leaps forward. Which I'll make that bet with Ben Johnson.

[Memes]

Yeah. Roma dun. It feels like no more excuses for Rome now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And Luther Burton showed enough.

[Memes]

Luther Burton was awesome. But you don't get rid of DJ Moore if you don't believe that Rome can step into that role.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And DJ Moore when he's, when he's playing and when he's not doing bad body language is an awesome player.

[Big Cat]

And he does do bad body does

[Memes]

he's, he, I think he's first team, maybe Mount Rushmore of current NFL bad body language guys. But when he's on like that game, the game against the commanders in D.C. where he had like 200 yards receiving, probably should have had 400 yards y but the refs took away some for calls. Like he can take over games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And so he's a really good player. I like it for the Bills too. I think that this is, I don't think he's going to be pouting too much with Josh Allen.

[Big Cat]

No, I, I, I think he's, he's perfect for the Bills because the Bills needed a real receiver and they also couldn't take the risk of doing it in the draft again because if he, if you, if you miss on a draft pick and you have Josh Allen in his prime, it's like what the hell are you doing? So it's good for the Bills. It's I again a good for the Bears. As much as there's a small part of me that's like is there going to be a moment during the season where it's like Roma Dunes A hasn't come on how I taken the step forward. Luther Burden wasn't as good as his, you know, rookie year showed and it's like where really could use a DJ Moore right now? Yeah, that could possibly happen. But again it's trust in Ben Johnson, trusted Ryan Poles and now you have money to go get another player, whether it be Max Crosby, Linderbaum or someone else and you have a second round, an extra second round pick which the Bulls have to be like, how did you do it? You got another second round pick. We have all the select them all Chicago way.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah. It's, I think it's a, it's kind of a win win. There's never a win win. Somebody got fleeced. So I think the only win win trade in the history of the NFL might be the McDuffie trade. Yeah, the one that just happened.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Where the, The Chiefs traded McDuffie to the Rams. The Rams don't give a fuck about first round picks. They got a great player and they still have their better first round Pick from the Falcons. So they gave up their worst first round pick. They still have it for now.

[Big Cat]

For now.

[Memes]

They still have one first round pick from the Falcons that's a top 10 pick. I think that to me is the first win. Win trade in the history of the NFL. This, this is close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Because I can see like I could talk myself into it if I'm a Bills fan and if I'm a Bears fan. It's one of those things where it's like kind of a bummer. But also big picture. Good.

[Big Cat]

It was. It's good big picture. You had to make a move like this. The, the reason why it's. It. The, the contract of DJ Moore is, is the big thing here.

[Zach]

He.

[Big Cat]

I think he's owed. I think he's like $28 million a year, which is a lot. And you got two guys playing wide receiver on their rookie deals that you hope can be good. I will miss DJ Moore. Like he did have kind of a knack for the big moment the packers game. Like I talked about, actually both, both the packers wins because he had the game winning touchdown against the packers in the playoffs. I won't miss some of the pouting. But again, I also was never. DJ Moore got a lot of shit. I was always kind of on the side of like I think he, I think he's better than people realize. And I'm happy for DJ Moore that he got traded to a good team because last year with the Bears was his first winning season in college or professionals. So he, he went through a lot of shit to get to finally be in the playoffs and play for a winning team. If he had then gotten traded to maybe the Raiders, that would have probably been a bummer for DJ Moore. He's going to a good situation, Josh Allen and he's gonna, he's probably gonna light it up. His. His touches got. His targets got reduced because of all the weapons because of Colson Loveland. I guar. I bet you he's gonna have big time numbers this year with the Bills. And that's part of the. Like I, I have no problem with it.

[Memes]

Guess what? Josh is going to force the ball to him. Yeah. Josh is going to make sure that he's happy because finally they have, they have somebody that can make a play.

[Big Cat]

But he's gonna put the ball in

[Memes]

DJ Moore's hands and he can go.

[Big Cat]

He could have a thousand yards and like, wow, he wouldn't have had a thousand yards in this Bears offense.

[Memes]

He's also.

[Big Cat]

Guys there are.

[Memes]

He's Also the king of like he gets tackled on a play and then you think he might be out for the season. Yes. And he's back out on the field two plays later.

[Big Cat]

Tough as.

[Memes]

Very tough.

[Big Cat]

Toughest.

[Memes]

He has like nine season ending injuries every season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So you mentioned the Rams, the Trentman Duffy trade, which are the Rams just doing it correctly. And we all think about it wrong that like we, we think about how important first round picks are and they have been consistently good. And I know they only have one super bowl to show for it, but they've been consistently good.

[Memes]

Well, they've got an awesome head coach and they've got a Hall of Fame quarterback for sure.

[Big Cat]

But that was also parting. Part of that was trading first round picks.

[Memes]

So here.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

Fun stat. They drafted Jared verse in the first round.

[Big Cat]

Yep. In 2024.

[Memes]

Before Jared verse, who is the last guy that the Rams drafted in the first round?

[Big Cat]

Jared Goff.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Has to be.

[Memes]

Jared Goff is the last guy.

[Big Cat]

But seriously, they basically say, hey, instead of taking a risk on. And I actually think the Jared Verse one because what was Jared Verse drafted? Was he nine? I can't remember.

[Memes]

I know his number is eight.

[Big Cat]

His number is eight. So how I should actually put it is are the Rams doing it correctly? Not that draft picks don't matter. Draft picks outside of the top 10 don't matter as much because I think that was the telling thing where Jared Verse. Oh no, he's 19th. So that, that throws my whole theory out.

[Memes]

I just, I just think that if you have Sean McVeigh and you have Matt Stafford, then you're able to do

[Big Cat]

a lot with that. But they were doing it before then.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they also did it to get Matthew Stafford. So it's like they basically have realized. I, I do, I just, I'm always interested in sports when there's one team that's doing things differently. You know what I mean? Like the, they're, they're. Everyone is trying to hoard draft picks and be like, draft, draft, draft. How do you build a team? You get a, you know, rookie quarterback on the, on the rookie deal. You have a five year window. And the Rams are. Seem to be doing the exact opposite where they're like, instead of taking risks on a bunch of 21 year olds, let's get the known commodity knowing it's a crapshoot and just keep punting that down the line. Being like, we don't care. We'll just get the really good players that we know are really good players.

[Memes]

It's also A very dangerous strategy for teams that, that don't have their together.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Because you, you'll see like the Rams will be successful doing this. Then other teams will be like we should try. The Rams don't care about first round picks. So now I'm just going to trade for a bunch of veterans every year and then it just. It's a disaster.

[Big Cat]

I think the difference too is that. So a lot of teams have had these type of trades where they've tr. I mean last year the, you know, Green Bay packers trading for Micah Parsons. So teams take these like singular shots at big players. The Rams just do it every year. So I think it's.

[Memes]

They don't get scared off by.

[Big Cat]

Yeah right there. It seems like less need has a formula of every single year. We know how much the rest of the league covets first round picks. It's maybe the market hasn't corrected, it's overvalued. So we can then go get an awesome player in Trent McDuffie for our first round pick.

[Memes]

So. 2017, they traded to the Titans to get up and get Jared Goff in the first round. 2018, they trade their first round pick to the Patriots for Brandon Cooks.

[Big Cat]

What pick was that?

[Memes]

Don't know. 2018, they traded the first round pick to the Patriots for Brandon Cooks. 2019, they trade their first round pick to the Falcons for more picks, extra picks. 2020 and 2021 both those first round picks went to the Jaguars for Jaylen Ramsey. 2022, 2023 both those first round picks went to the Lions with Goff to get Matthew stafford. And then 2024, they finally used a first round pick on Jared Goff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, just. Oh yeah. So here's. Here's what the picks would have ended up being. 2017 Corey Davis. He's not in the league anymore, which I always thought he was going to be awesome. Western Michigan 2018 Isaiah Win. He wasn't very good.

[Roger Bennett]

Right.

[Big Cat]

2019 Killed McGarry. 2020 Chase on 2021 Travis Etienne. 2022 Louis scene who's bit out of the league, I believe. Yeah, or maybe he's. But I know the, the Vikings moved on from him. Paris Johnson there. It seems like whatever they, whatever teams have picked in the Rams spot have

[Memes]

not gotten guys they just know. Yeah, maybe the Rams know like hey the guy that's slotted to us right now actually sucks straight out.

[Big Cat]

I just, I, I'm always fascinated. Again, it's. You can't say definitively like the Rams are doing it better because oh, he's on the Eagles or whatever.

[Max]

Actually played.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he never actually played. So that was. But you can't say definitely they're doing it better than everyone else because the only one one super bowl but outside of the one year where the wheels fell off because of injuries, they're in it every year. So they're doing something.

[Memes]

They're super competitive. I do think that this is a win. Win trade. I think that the Chiefs are happy. Yes. Obviously McDuffie is a great player. But getting. Getting back a first round pick and the other picks that they got for it too. Like that's a. The Chiefs have a lot of holes.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

The Chiefs have to do kind of like a. A full rebuild and then the. The Rams getting a great player while they're still in the super bowl win

[Big Cat]

and still having a first round pick

[Memes]

and still having the Falcon thanks to the Falcons, they've got a great first round pick.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Step on digs being cut. Hank.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Money saver. Give him a. Give him a chance early before free agency. He was a good leader. Good player. I guess. I don't know. Sad to see him go.

[Memes]

Tough couple weeks. He got engaged, lost the super bowl, dumped, fired. That's rough.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Heart goes out to him.

[Big Cat]

I feel like it's one of those moves that it's a. Probably a fine move as long as you then get someone. You have to get someone.

[Hank]

Yeah. And he was in like in like six days it was going to be a six million dollar hit. So.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

That's why they did it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It makes sense.

[Big Cat]

Who do you want besides AJ Brown which, which how he has said definitively it's going to cost a one.

[Max]

Yeah. No way the Eagles are trading AJ Brown unless it's a one. And even then I don't. He doesn't think it's likely.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

No way.

[Memes]

Anything less than a 1, they won't do it.

[Max]

According to Adam Schefter. I can pull up the. I can pull up the exact quote if you like.

[Big Cat]

I wish they would just do all the trades and all the free agent signings in like a one hour window because I don't know. You. You guys are probably dealing with similar. Your. Your specific team's Twitter fan base. Like people I follow in Bear's Twitter just every night being like keep your cell phone close. Everybody eyeballs emoji. I'm like, is Max Crosby. Is it gonna happen? Is it gonna happen?

[Max]

Johnson eyeball emoji.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. To Max Crosby.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

The.

[Big Cat]

Was that.

[Memes]

Is that tampering? That should be tampering.

[Max]

I don't know what tampering means, but

[Big Cat]

it's just all these, like, if you're,

[Memes]

if you're like the, the ownership, if you are the head coach of the team, you can't like reach out and talk to another player.

[Max]

I don't know. I saw that and I immediately bet on Max Crosby. The Eagles on the draft, like Big

[Memes]

Dom, for example, is not allowed to reach out to Max Crosby as a part owner of the team.

[Big Cat]

Partner.

[Memes]

That would be, that'd be an actionable offense if he did that.

[Max]

I don't believe there's a chance in hell that the Eagles would move AJ Brown unless it's, unless it included a first round pick. Even then, I don't think they're all that interested in moving on from him. That is a quote from Adam Schefter.

[Big Cat]

Shafter's just dropping bombs everywhere he went on waddle. And Sylvia Day said that he doesn't think the Bears will Max Crosby. Okay, womp, womp. That sucks. But wouldn't it be, would it be very NFL to be like, hey, you know what? The Sunday before conference championship weeks, the Sunday before Selection Sunday. So this Sunday, from noon till 10pm all signings and trades have to happen and we just treat it like an NFL Sunday. And we just sit, we sit down and we just maybe make all the GMs be in one room and they have to go up and announce it and we just sit in and have an NFL Sunday.

[Memes]

If they do it like the draft where you go out on stage. Yeah. And you announce it. And every five minutes there has to be a trade.

[Big Cat]

I do it.

[Memes]

NFL will watch or sign or signing every five minutes. Yeah. And if there's not Roger Goodell, like starts finding you. Yeah.

[Max]

And I like the idea of like people running to the. Like, I'm, I'm signing him first.

[Big Cat]

Yes. We, it would be a spectacle. Imagine just getting juiced up for an NFL Sunday even though they're not playing football.

[Memes]

And they have to have like at least 10 of the signing bonus in cash in a suitcase that they then award to that.

[Big Cat]

Now we're talking Mr. Beast live. Maybe, maybe Mr. Beast hosts it. So it's like, you know, who's, who's the biggest free agent signing that's going to be this year? Like, who's, who's.

[Max]

I think I show speed. Should, should host it.

[Memes]

Nobody knows I show speed.

[Big Cat]

Well, let's just say, let's just say Max Crosby is a free agent. And they're like, Max Crosby comes up and Mr. B standing there, he's like, you just signed a 40 million dollar deal and with one coin flip you can double it.

[Memes]

That'd be good.

[Big Cat]

But like that, we just play those

[Memes]

games and if my guy actually doesn't try to double it, then I end up not signing. Yeah, you're like, yeah, you don't have. You don't have that it factor. You don't have belief in yourself. I think, I think Alec Pierce is about to get paid too. I think the market on Alec Pierce is going to be crazy. Patriot. Possible Patriot.

[Big Cat]

I think he's gonna stay with the Colts.

[Memes]

Michael Pittman, then we'll get possible Commander.

[Big Cat]

I think Alec Pierce is going to stay with the. The word is that he and Daniel Jones love each other.

[Memes]

I think. I think he likes money too. And he hasn't gotten paid for sure. So if they're able to offer him, he's going to get paid. I hope he gets paid too.

[Hank]

Yeah, definitely.

[Big Cat]

For sure.

[Memes]

For sure.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Any other football related thoughts? Anything?

[Memes]

I got a lot of football related.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we all do. But like anything all the time. We're gonna do our. Our QB rankings for free agents and the next Sam Darnold, but is there anything else? Oh, Miles Garrett got a speeding ticket.

[Hank]

Oh, you think?

[Memes]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

That's good. That's good again.

[Memes]

Yeah. Good for him. Giving back to the community. Get paying fines in Cleveland. Yeah, he's probably. He's probably built a school. Like everyone gives LeBron James all the flowers in the world because he built a school in Cleveland. And Miles Garrett has sped enough times to pay for a school and nobody says about him.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Thank you Miles Garrett for everything you do in the community.

[Big Cat]

Our guy, Ohio's Tate had a funny. He said that Miles Garrett is still trying to get Kirby Smart's attention from. From Georgia. Not offering him. Yeah, just getting. I think it's his seventh speeding ticket. Stop speeding. Miles Garrett, he probably has really fast cars, probably really hard.

[Memes]

It's just be safe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Speed. But do it safely.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So we have a.

[Max]

There's a debate that is sparks like intensity back here.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I won't say which side anyone is on, but I will ask you the question. Big cat, you're the only one who has not been prior informed with this question.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

Who do you believe is more famous globally right now? Right now. Who is more famous globally? I show speed. Donald Trump.

[Big Cat]

Donald Trump.

[Memes]

Dancer's Donald Trump.

[Hank]

What do you guys be in Beer.

[Memes]

This is exactly like when we had the debate about John Summit versus Ludacris.

[Big Cat]

It's not. It's not even.

[Max]

There's one person in this room that believes that it's. That Ishowspeed is more famous than Donald Trump around the world.

[Big Cat]

How, Zach?

[Zach]

I'm just here for fair and impartial debate. I'm not saying one guy thinks one thing, one guy thinks another. I do think that I show speed is globally more famous than Donald Trump.

[Big Cat]

How many people think in Iran know who ishowspeed is?

[Zach]

I think. I think a lot of. I think a ton of people in Iran know who Trump is for sure.

[Big Cat]

I think all of them.

[Zach]

This is a hot. Yeah, it's a hot week for Trump and Iran. Yes.

[Memes]

I think 50 less people than yesterday,

[Big Cat]

but a lot of people do.

[Zach]

That's a super sensitive thing. That's a. I mean, that's a great talking point there. I think a lot of people in Iran also know who ishow speed is.

[Memes]

So I think that if you look around the world, everybody, like in the demographic of like 12 to 16 or 12 to 18.

[Zach]

So I know, like, you might be.

[Memes]

You might be. Right. But there's a lot more people that are not 12 to 18.

[Zach]

I think it's like between the ages of 5 and like 37 is for. Makes up 48% of the globe.

[Big Cat]

But.

[Zach]

And I think overwhelming majority of them definitely know who speed is.

[Max]

They also know who Trump is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Think about America. I think every single person in America

[Max]

knows you're biased because you're American.

[Zach]

We're in America. I understand that and I understand that.

[Big Cat]

But that's a big country.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a huge country. But if we're talking the globe also, like, they teach Trump in all sorts of schools and talk about, like, it's globally as well. Yes, they definitely talk Trump outside of the usa.

[Roger Bennett]

Right.

[Zach]

But for every textbook open talking about Trump, there's a cell phone in the bottom corner with Ishowspeed video.

[Big Cat]

But they're not teaching me textbooks.

[Memes]

Not every kid has. Has a cell phone, though.

[Zach]

Also, not every country has Internet. But the countries without Internet know speed, too.

[Big Cat]

But they also.

[Memes]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Big Cat]

How.

[Memes]

How do you know Ishowspeed if you don't have the Internet?

[Zach]

So Ishowspeed travels these countries, he'll go live, and you'll see crowds of hundreds of hundreds, if not thousands of people behind him. They know speed, but I've got some videos.

[Memes]

Those are countries that don't have the Internet.

[Zach]

They don't have the Internet, but they know speed. They might. Or they have dial up. They have slow Internet.

[Memes]

He might be winning me over. No, I think. I think everybody in the United States knows Donald Trump. I think every, like, half the country of China probably knows Donald Trump. You're also saying that, like, Australia, Brazil, everybody in Brazil knows Donald Trump.

[Big Cat]

Do you know that Donald Trump is on their. Their cell phones, too? Like, you do this cell phone. Textbook thing.

[Zach]

Yeah, definitely Trump's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's on the phone.

[Zach]

Yeah, they're both. They're both on phones or both on Instagram. Instagram's a terrible metric. Speed does have more followers on Instagram.

[Hank]

Metric.

[Zach]

Terrible metric. Terrible metric.

[Big Cat]

He really does.

[Hank]

But Trump also has so many people that hate him, that are following him,

[Memes]

and so many people that aren't on Instagram that know who he is.

[Hank]

Like, If Trump has 45 million followers, he probably has 45 million haters.

[Zach]

Would we say what are they?

[Hank]

Don't follow him.

[Max]

But they seem like profession is social media.

[Zach]

No, but what are our thoughts on soccer as a sport? How big is that?

[Memes]

It's a big sport.

[Zach]

Pretty big. Would we say Cristiano Ronaldo is maybe, like, one of the biggest names in the world?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Would he compete with Trump?

[Memes]

No, because Trump won the first ever FIFA Peace Prize.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Which is the most prestigious warden soccer.

[Zach]

Outside of him taking that trophy to the crib, would we. I mean, Trump or Speed straight out the Ronaldo pipeline. Well, if you know the message Ronaldo debate, you know, speed, he's stamped by.

[Big Cat]

He created that.

[Zach]

No, but he's. He's a figurehead of the Ronaldo debate side in that argument.

[Memes]

He is a.

[Zach]

He's become a.

[Memes]

We would call him a Ronaldo Dick Rider.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

No, he's a colonel in that army.

[Big Cat]

But how does that.

[Hank]

He's saying that if Ronaldo has whatever, 200 million fans and Speed has 200 million fans, but it's more like Ronaldo's

[Memes]

way more than 200 million fans.

[Hank]

But still, whatever he's saying that. That all goes to speed, which.

[Zach]

I'm just saying, if you know Ronaldo, you're. There's a 95 chance, you know? I think so.

[Memes]

I know. I think there's a lot of old people that know Ronaldo that have no idea what streaming is.

[Zach]

Oh, definitely. I think. Well, speed transcends streaming.

[Roger Bennett]

How?

[Zach]

He's an athlete. Like, he'll show. He'll show up to your country.

[Big Cat]

He'll race your.

[Zach]

He'll race.

[Big Cat]

But he's streaming that. But he's not an ass.

[Memes]

He's like a pretty good. He's pretty athletic, but he's a very athletic guy. As far as guys go, people don't

[Big Cat]

know him as an athlete that don't stream. Like, there's no one's like, oh, I show speed. Is he an athlete? No. They're like, he's a streamer who does athletics.

[Zach]

I think he might be an athletic guy with a cam on, too, that you could look at it both ways.

[Big Cat]

But he's not like Ronaldo, where it's like, if you watch sports, you know who Ronaldo is. If you watch sports, you don't know who. I show Speed.

[Zach]

I think if you watch soccer, you know speed.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

A lot of soccer fans do, but, like, if you watch soccer, Baron Trump is.

[Zach]

If you're doing, like, a pre show for what? Like the World Cup. But we consider that a big sporting event.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

If they're doing pre shows for World cup, they're inviting.

[Memes]

Speed was literally invited.

[Big Cat]

He was at the FIFA.

[Memes]

He was opening. He was at the Trump Kennedy center, was getting the first ever. I think you're kind of forgetting this part, Zach.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Memes]

He is the first and only recipient of the FIFA Peace Prize for accomplishments in the field of peace.

[Zach]

That's good to know that FIFA is familiar with Trump and Speed.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That's huge for both of them. Like I said, Trump's a huge name. Transit. He's a global name. Right.

[Memes]

What I'm hearing, though, is that if Trump decided to start streaming, he could put up some numbers.

[Big Cat]

AI says Donald Trump is significantly more well known than I should.

[Zach]

I do think that's American AI you're looking at.

[Memes]

Is that rock?

[Big Cat]

No, I'm using Microsoft Copilot. It says significantly, significantly more well known.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You guys familiar with that? Anime or manga?

[Memes]

I'm familiar with those words.

[Zach]

The SO One Piece is a manga series. The biggest manga series of all time. As far as, like, sales goes, he bridges the gap between soccer and manga, soccer and anime.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Zach]

We're just talking about two massive audiences that all know Speed.

[Memes]

Okay. Trump kind of bridges the two massive audiences of the nation of the United States and the nation of China and also the nation of India. And also everybody in India knows him too.

[Big Cat]

Every huge. Do you think who. Who knows Trump more?

[Roger Bennett]

Who?

[Big Cat]

If you go Mexico.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Do more Mexicans know Trump or ishow Speed?

[Zach]

I think. I think a lot of people in Mexico know both of them for sure.

[Big Cat]

I don't think so.

[Zach]

Oh, did you hear what I think? I think someone who knows Trump just passed away and some.

[Memes]

Oh.

[Zach]

And a kid just clicked A speed video.

[Memes]

Oh, okay. Demographics changing.

[Zach]

Never changing.

[Memes]

Second.

[Big Cat]

Got it. Oh, wait. Oh, I got an update. A kid just passed away because he was looking at his phone. He got hit by a car while watching a nice show speed video.

[Zach]

Rest in peace.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, really sad.

[Zach]

Maybe we reach speed, see if he covers a funeral. Woody, I have no idea.

[Big Cat]

Who do you think? Canada.

[Zach]

In Canada. Who knows? Trevor Speed.

[Memes]

I'm trying to find the.

[Max]

This is not a touchscreen.

[Roger Bennett]

I know.

[Zach]

That's my bad.

[Max]

What are we looking for?

[Big Cat]

Canada. This is crazy.

[Memes]

It is crazy.

[Big Cat]

Zach, do you think you have a bias? You are a streamer.

[Zach]

Oh, no. I think Trump is huge. I think Trump's massive. I'm just saying.

[Memes]

Well, he's perfect. He's the same weight as Lamar.

[Zach]

Is Trump bringing out this kind of crowd in Kenya? These are people on the streets every age. This demo is everywhere.

[Big Cat]

How much of that is a crowd of ishowspeed fans? How much of it is. It started as a few people, and then they're like, oh, shit. A crowd.

[Zach]

I think this is like, oh, my goodness. Speeds in Kenya. Speed transcends streaming. The demo of people in this crowd right now age between 12 and 55.

[Memes]

Zach, do you.

[Zach]

12 and 75.

[Memes]

But this is a country that has, like, Kenya has the Internet. They've got their. A developed country.

[Zach]

Yeah, for sure.

[Memes]

Access to the Internet everywhere.

[Zach]

Yes. I just want to show some crowd work, some people, some boots on the ground.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Zach]

This is just speed going Renato's house.

[Memes]

You're making it sound like we're speed haters, which I don't want to put myself in that camp. I don't want to sound like I'm just. I'm trashing the guy.

[Zach]

No, I don't think you're hater whatsoever. We're just talking numbies.

[Memes]

Yeah. Just strictly from a data.

[Big Cat]

What are his. What. What are his videos? Get how many. How many watches? Give me an average watch.

[Zach]

Quick poll.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, is he. What's his main thing? Is he on YouTube? What is he on?

[Hank]

He's got 37,000 people watching him right now. You have 30, 000 people watching you do fast food. Eating.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we were eating. We were eating the Dug Dug.

[Zach]

That's. That's fair. But this is just him kicking in his bedroom with his brother. You guys did assemble the Avengers, Okay. Which. It was a good group.

[Big Cat]

It was not the Avengers.

[Zach]

It was fun. It felt like the Avengers. I enjoyed watching that. I was really envious. That was so much fun.

[Memes]

YouTube's not his number one platform. It's Twitch, right?

[Zach]

I would say he streams. YouTube is probably the biggest platform.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so then this is a blowout. 30. Come on, what was it? What were the final views on his. One of his streams? On his last stream? 3 million. That's incredible.

[Zach]

Number 16.

[Big Cat]

Incredible numbers. Come on, Zach. It's incredible numbers, but come on.

[Zach]

I think globally, like, it's a little bit skewed here in the United States,

[Max]

but globally, I don't think that you understand that people know who Donald Trump is outside of America.

[Zach]

Trump is huge.

[Big Cat]

You just are. You're. You know what you are? You're wowed by the fact that there's, like, a crowd in Kenya for speed or a crowd in China for speed. Those are massive countries.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's true. We're talking Zambia, Indonesia, every country in South America. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Globe.

[Zach]

We're just talking globally.

[Memes]

Yeah, but, like, if Trump rolled up to. To India, like, tomorrow, and he was wearing the outfit, he was out there

[Big Cat]

with Modi, and he's like, I'll race anyone.

[Zach]

He'd have a crowd too.

[Memes]

Massive.

[Max]

But that's the thing. It's not even f. It's just people. He had so many haters as well. But those people also know him.

[Memes]

They know who he is.

[Max]

They won't show up to. They won't show up in, like, the crowd. In the crowd. But it's like, oh, yeah, I know Donald Trump. Yes, Everyone knows Donald Trump.

[Zach]

Trump's huge. Speed might just edge him out just a little bit. Like, Trump's so big. Trump has. Trump sells shoes, watches, but it's just

[Big Cat]

a tiny, like, you're not talking blowout.

[Memes]

No, it's.

[Zach]

It's. Oh, Speed beats him out fractionally.

[Memes]

Let me ask you this. Has. Has speed ever had any success, like

[Zach]

selling a bible, spoken word? I don't know. Speed gets in that bag.

[Memes]

Has he ever had any success? Like, has he started a university?

[Zach]

University. Not sure.

[Memes]

How many buildings is Speed's name on again?

[Zach]

Not sure if he's on any architecture at all. I don't know if he sells shoes or watches either. Trump does both of those things.

[Memes]

Stakes, too.

[Zach]

He is good at playing to the core, but I think Speed's core might be bigger.

[Big Cat]

Oh, here's. Oh, here's an article that hurts your case.

[Zach]

There's a lot of those.

[Big Cat]

April 13, 2025. Internet icon speed meets Chinese celebrity. Trump in person. All the people who were watching Speed that day are like, that's Trump.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Wait, wait. Do you think that Donald Trump would ever, like, hang out with A Speed impersonator.

[Zach]

I don't know. They did invite Speed to the White House.

[Memes]

Maybe Adderall. You'd hang out with Adderall. Yeah, No, I. I don't think that that's.

[Max]

I think Big Cat used in your argument that they. That's Trump's house.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I think he went on, like, a sturdy invite or like, you're

[Max]

like, yeah, they invited Trump or they invited Speed to Trump's house.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Max]

Speed more famous than Trump.

[Zach]

Yeah, he's just checking out his house. That was like. I think that might have been the second or third invite, though. I don't think he went on the first one.

[Big Cat]

I liked. I like that you're taking it. I. I need more Zach takes. These are good takes to just throw out there. Whether it be right or wrong. This one is very wrong. The takes. It's part of my take.

[Memes]

If I were to guess, I would. I would say that I think 3 billion people know who Donald Trump is. Yeah, maybe. Maybe four. Maybe four.

[Zach]

Maybe more. I think speed might have 4.1, dude.

[Big Cat]

4.1 billion.

[Zach]

I think it's more than that, but I'll give you 4.1 just for sake of. Of argument.

[Memes]

That's. That's so. That's so many. Do you know how many millions that is?

[Zach]

All of them.

[Memes]

That's like 4,000 millions.

[Zach]

It just happened again, too.

[Memes]

Oh, somebody else died.

[Zach]

It did.

[Big Cat]

Taylor Swift is.

[Memes]

Why do you keep killing Trump supporters right now?

[Big Cat]

Zach, what's up?

[Memes]

It sounds like you're. You're taking. You're just taking joy at announcing that.

[Zach]

No. No whatsoever. I don't. I'm not even pro death. We're just talking data.

[Big Cat]

Exactly. Taylor Swift is bigger than I show speed.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Zach]

Taylor Swift bigger than speed. Globally, music. I mean, music transcends everything.

[Roger Bennett]

Yes.

[Zach]

Taylor Swift's pretty big. She is. Taylor Swift's pretty big, but also it's just like Travis Kelsey also big.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Zach]

That's a tough. Like those numbers are.

[Big Cat]

Copilot said Taylor Swift is far more globally famous than I show speed. When you look at overall reach, we might not be.

[Zach]

We might just be early here because it just happened again.

[Memes]

Is I show speed.

[Hank]

Not wrong, just early.

[Memes]

Is I show speed. Even the most famous streamer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Who's do. Mr.

[Memes]

Beast or just any streamer? Just to you, the most famous.

[Zach]

Most famous person in the world. I think Mr. Beast is outside of this argument. He's the biggest in the world. They transcribe his videos in 60 different languages.

[Big Cat]

He does, Yeah.

[Zach]

I know he's got team, but that's not entity.

[Hank]

We could do that and say we're. We transcribe.

[Zach]

Mr. Beast has become the lottery for the world.

[Big Cat]

Kaisernet is the biggest streamer Kaiser hasn't

[Zach]

streamed in five months. Oh, he's out here like Zambia. You know what I mean?

[Big Cat]

There's levels.

[Memes]

Oh, xqc.

[Zach]

Nah. Xuc. Super niche.

[Memes]

Super niche. What about Ninja?

[Zach]

As far as globally as you see is massive though. He's massive.

[Roger Bennett]

Okay.

[Memes]

Ninja. I like his takes on kickers.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Ninja just talks lions with his brother Al.

[Roger Bennett]

Okay.

[Zach]

Yeah, they just play no build and they just talk lines.

[Max]

Ball.

[Big Cat]

Good try, Zach. To watch. Good, good try. Good effort.

[Zach]

We can agree Trump and speed both huge, right?

[Memes]

Yes, very. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, well, no, actually I'm gonna say speed huge. Trump massive.

[Zach]

Both massive. Is one will is one have more. More time to increase and one has less time or I guess infamy. I don't know.

[Memes]

How does this work, Zach?

[Zach]

Are you huge?

[Memes]

You have. It sounds like you have a parasocial relationship with Ishow speed.

[Zach]

No, I mean we're dead.

[Memes]

Are you in the chat? Are you in the chat for.

[Zach]

In a lot of chats.

[Big Cat]

Pft.

[Memes]

What are you, what are you commenting?

[Zach]

I've been in the chat. I'm. I'm not usually in a speed chat.

[Roger Bennett]

No.

[Memes]

Give me, give me an example of one thing that you have commented in. I show.

[Zach]

I don't think, I don't think I have a chat log in speeds chat.

[Memes]

I don't believe.

[Zach]

I just see the clips on speed.

[Memes]

Okay, okay. But you're a die hard speed fan.

[Zach]

No, no. I mean, no, we're talking freak. We're talking data today.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Roger Bennett]

Okay.

[Memes]

It sounds like you're personally attached.

[Zach]

No, no.

[Big Cat]

A little bit.

[Zach]

Trump's massive.

[Big Cat]

A little bit.

[Zach]

Trump's huge. But he sells watches just a little bit.

[Max]

Lessons in shoes just a little bit less.

[Memes]

Oh yeah, the shoes. I forgot about the shoes.

[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

I'd say this is the last show we're going to have for three weeks where there's not a ton going on because we are right before free agency.

[Memes]

I call this the spring bump.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're about to hit. We're right before free agency. We were right before March Madness in the tournament. And then. Yeah, then we're off and running. Actually, I actually might take that back. This might be the last show. There's not a lot to talk about until, like, July.

[Memes]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you why. I think legal tampering starts on Monday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

So right now we're. We're in the thick of illegal tampering season.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

Which is the new legal tampering.

[Big Cat]

Max Crosby hopefully going to be traded at some point.

[Memes]

Everyone's getting tampered with. I. Did you read that article in the Athletic that Michael Silver wrote?

[Big Cat]

I did.

[Memes]

So there's some interesting stuff in that article.

[Big Cat]

What's interesting?

[Memes]

Basically, it said, like, Max Crosby, his only crime. Well, two things. One, his only crime is that he. He tries too hard. He practices too hard and he's sick of practicing on teams that won't allow him to practice super hard. He hits quarterbacks in practice, which is against the rules. But I think if he was playing on a team with a good quarterback, he'd probably be less likely to hit them.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Memes]

That would be a guess. And then the other really interesting part, Tom Brady, he's the announcer on Fox. He's done a great job improving his game on Fox in terms of. Of color analysts recently. He's also a part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. And I think he owns what, 4% of the team?

[Big Cat]

Something like that.

[Memes]

But Mark Davis has pretty much given him like, act like you own the entire team.

[Big Cat]

You're in.

[Memes]

Troy. He is the. The shadow president of football.

[Big Cat]

It's a soft benching on Mark Davis's part. He soft bench himself. Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. And so since Tom Brady's got that full time job working with Fox.

[Big Cat]

Hank, have you read this article? Do you know where we're going with this? I'm waiting. Okay. Okay.

[Memes]

So Tom Brady, former quarterback, the New England Patriots, he's working with Fox like full time. So he can't be at practice all the time. He can't be at the facility.

[Big Cat]

Wait, if he can't be at the facility, pft, who is at the facility for him?

[Memes]

Hank.

[Big Cat]

Do you want to guess?

[Memes]

Like a surrogate for him?

[Hank]

I don't know. Someone probably like a trainer or something.

[Memes]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, like pretty much a doctor. Basically a doctor.

[Big Cat]

Basically a doctor.

[Memes]

Alex Guerrero is his eyes and ears.

[Big Cat]

The story that Michael Silver wrote it. Alex Gro just keeps popping up.

[Hank]

What's wrong with.

[Big Cat]

I don't. I don't.

[Hank]

What's. What's the like.

[Big Cat]

Because he's.

[Memes]

Nobody really trusts Alex Guerrero and no

[Big Cat]

one really knows what he does. And he essentially, he goes to the practice and narcs to Tom Brady and also tells people they're getting cut or their job is at stake. But he doesn't. He's not an owner. He's not a coach. He just is.

[Memes]

He sounds messy.

[Big Cat]

He sounds. He sounds like a messy.

[Memes]

He is a messy. Like, he's. He gets. He gets the news from Tom and he's like, oh, I got some gossip. I got guy. He. He like sits down with Mark Davis. He's like, mark, you want the tea?

[Roger Bennett]

What. What.

[Big Cat]

What part of this is not weird to you?

[Hank]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[Memes]

Is.

[Hank]

Is Al girl making decisions or is he just watching practice?

[Big Cat]

He's kind of everything. He's announcing everything and nothing all at once.

[Memes]

He's announcing decisions.

[Hank]

Like if you're an owner of a team and you can't be there once, you want someone that you trust to be there. Like, that's not. That's reasonable, right? Yeah.

[Memes]

Your other. The other owners, is that not reasonable?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The coach or the gm.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All these guys, like worked in football their entire lives.

[Hank]

Guerrero's been around football for a while.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Listen, Guerrero's been kicked out of more facilities than you and I have ever been admitted to.

[Big Cat]

That's true. He's. Yeah. He does sound messy though. But that was part of the. The frustration is Alex Guerrero is just walking around being like, oh, like, basically.

[Memes]

I heard Tom doesn't like you taking

[Big Cat]

notes, but if the Raiders.

[Hank]

Raiders were good. That's. That's just clicks. That's just Mike Silver wants clicks.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're checking out.

[Hank]

If the Raiders were. Would not be an issue. I think that if, like, the issue is that the Raiders suck.

[Big Cat]

What if there's.

[Hank]

That's why Max Crosby wants to be out. The reason.

[Big Cat]

Max Crosby.

[Memes]

No, no, no. Because that's actually not true. Max Crosby wants to be out because he was benched last year as the Raiders were trying to tank, and he is such a competitor that he thought that was, like, the ultimate sin against competition and everything that he stands for.

[Big Cat]

Let me ask you a question, Hank. If there were someone here who. Now. Austin is here now. But, like, let's say Dave hired someone who has no idea how the blog game works, and he has no idea how podcasting works. He has no idea how the content game works.

[Hank]

We've hired people like, okay, hold on, hold on.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

It's like everyone.

[Hank]

Yeah, like 10 people like that.

[Big Cat]

But let's. Let's say that that's. That's Dave's eyes and ears, and you don't really have a relationship with this person. And every time you're at the golf simulator or every time you take two sandwiches on free Lunch Tuesday, I know it was you.

[Hank]

I didn't get any sandwiches.

[Big Cat]

Every time you do that, Shane did.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Shane took two.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Before anyone else, I was the one

[Hank]

that was, like, trying to get the tapes released. By the time I got there, there was, like, one shitty sandwich left.

[Memes]

I. I almost got some tapes released on Hank yesterday.

[Roger Bennett]

Oh.

[Memes]

But I. But I'm admitting that I. I could see the error of my ways potentially. So I didn't.

[Big Cat]

I want to hear that, but let me just fur. This. This, and then I want to hear the tapes. But let's just say you're on the golf simulator, and this guy walks up and has a notepad and he goes, huh, okay. And then walks away, takes a note. And then Dave, you know, like, maybe a week later is like, oh, Hank. All he does is golf. You would like that guy to be around the facility.

[Hank]

That's basically what you do.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Is that analogies and hitting. I need some help.

[Memes]

No, basically, Tom. Tom has his eyes and ears and acting as a surrogate, and I think people are. If you read between the lines of what Michael Silver wrote, it seems like there's a lot that he did not write. There's a Lot more that he can write about.

[Big Cat]

Think about the stuff he didn't write.

[Memes]

Yeah, I want to talk about that.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Michael.

[Hank]

Michael Silver is a vet. He knows that Tom Brady gets clicks. This is a Florio special.

[Big Cat]

Florio did write aggregate Michael Silvers.

[Max]

Right.

[Hank]

And. And I'm sure it was Tom Brady. I'm sure Tom Brady was somehow like, the lead focus of the article.

[Big Cat]

What are you shaking your head?

[Memes]

Yeah. The athletic just praise on.

[Big Cat]

On these bad teams. Either way, I, I, it is weird

[Memes]

that they write so many articles that paint bad teams in a bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's bad.

[Roger Bennett]

The.

[Big Cat]

I do like that Max Crosby is like, I'm not going to publicly ask for a trade out of respect to the Raiders fans. Even though then this article gets written, it's basically saying, I want out.

[Memes]

Yeah. I'm going to. I'm going to publish all the blackmail that I have on the Raiders.

[Big Cat]

It's great.

[Memes]

It'll be a slow drip that comes out over the sp.

[Big Cat]

What was the tapes you almost released on Hank?

[Memes]

No, no. So it. Hank was somewhat vindicated. But what happened yesterday? We had, we had a nice lunch that was catered for the office. It was delicious. And I, I went, I got in line, and I'm waiting my turn in line, and there's a group of people that are in front of me picking their sandwiches out, and I'm waiting to have my turn to select my sandwich. The people leave. I'm looking down at my phone, so I'm. I'm walking at a very slow pace. But then Hank, who was standing right behind me, just passes me on my left.

[Big Cat]

You caught him.

[Memes]

Cuts in line right in front of me, gets the sandwich, the very last of the good sandwiches. And then he keeps walking. And then I just look around, like, did that, did that just happen right now? So then I went, I got the tapes. I reviewed the tapes. In Hank's defense, I was looking at my phone and moving slowly in the line, which is why I did not release the tapes. It might have been a situation where just a simple, like, hey, on your left, you can move. Hey, they're done getting their sandwich. Like one of those. Like, a little nudge would have helped. Like a little tap on the horn when you're behind.

[Hank]

You want me to hold your hand? No.

[Memes]

No. That's why I didn't release the tape.

[Hank]

Spoon feed you?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it does sound. I, I would like to see the tapes, but it does sound like you had bad line etiquette.

[Memes]

I did. I did. Which, like, I think that there's room in the middle. It's like, if somebody's at a red light, the light turns green for about a full second, and instead of just, like, giving them a boop, you just, like, speed around them, flip them off, but then roll coal in their face. Yeah. And then that would also be on you, then eat their sandwich. So it was. It was.

[Hank]

If the light goes green and you don't move, like, what are you doing?

[Memes]

Yeah, it was at least 51.

[Big Cat]

You should have beeped.

[Hank]

It was 51.

[Memes]

51. My fault. I'll take the line, Share the responsibility.

[Big Cat]

Wow, that's huge of you.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

51. Hank, you can have 4%. Like, Alex Guerrero, be fine.

[Hank]

But. Yeah, there was also no sandwiches left, so I was. I was. It was like. If there was a bunch of sandwiches, I might have been like, hey. But it was like, oh, shit.

[Memes]

Oh. So it did factor in your mind that you wanted the last good.

[Hank]

No, it didn't.

[Big Cat]

I don't.

[Hank]

I would like to. Literally. I'm just saying, like, if there was. There was, like, literally two sandwiches left in the entire board because Shane ate them all.

[Big Cat]

What did you pull up here, Zach or Matt?

[Max]

I. I was. I didn't mean to pull that up.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you're just looking at Alex Guerrero.

[Max]

I. Yeah, I was just starting to

[Big Cat]

search a weird guy.

[Memes]

Now, for the record, I would retract everything. Yeah, no, if you were to come on the podcast.

[Big Cat]

Weird guy.

[Hank]

He is a weird guy.

[Big Cat]

And I think.

[Hank]

I do think it's like, again, it's like, Tom Brady's greatest quarterback of all time, Love of my life, greatest person I've ever known or never wished to know.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Hank]

He's also kind of a weird guy.

[Roger Bennett]

Right.

[Big Cat]

But I.

[Hank]

But Alex Guerrero did take him to the next level.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

What Alex Guerrero did for Tom Brady's career, it makes sense that Tom Brady trusts him so much. And if you're Tom Brady and you're not able to be at practice, you want someone that you can trust to be there. So it's like, yeah, he's a weird guy, but Tom Brady's a weird guy. And it's like, it makes sense that he.

[Big Cat]

Tom Brady has earned his weirdness, though. When Tom Brady, you see him being weird, you're like, but he's a winner. Alex Guerrero, you see him being weird, and you're like, who is this guy again? I mean, that's uncomfortable to have eyes and ear. A weird guy, eyes and ears, walking around the practice, but again, and put

[Hank]

yourself in Brady's position.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Who else would you want there? Who else would you have there?

[Big Cat]

Alex?

[Hank]

Earl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I'm just throwing out names.

[Max]

Jordan. I mean, this. It's a Jordan situation.

[Big Cat]

It's a little bit of A. Little bit of a Jordan taking a Wonderlic right now. It would be. Jordan is to Belichick as Alex Guerrero is, too.

[Roger Bennett]

I said that.

[Max]

Those exact words behind this booth at the start of this conversation.

[Hank]

No sense. Zero sense.

[Big Cat]

It's shown without the. Without the crazy good sex.

[Memes]

This is. Do you think Alex Guerrero is in charge of doing Adobe Photoshops for Tom Brady?

[Hank]

No, he's a trainer.

[Memes]

I think he's just the jack of all trades. I think it's just, like, pliability.

[Hank]

Max has never heard of that.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he. Actually, Max is.

[Hank]

Max is flexible.

[Big Cat]

Super flexible. Max is one of the. He's by far the most flexible on the podcast.

[Memes]

You know who's very pliable? Somebody that does adult competitive cheerleading.

[Big Cat]

Good point.

[Memes]

They are. Alex Guerrero is a cheerleader.

[Hank]

It's insane. Absolutely insane.

[Memes]

He's a great cheerleader. Like, you're doing great, Tom. Good job. Keep on not eating those tomatoes.

[Hank]

I bet you he knows some about peptides.

[Memes]

Probably does.

[Big Cat]

Probably does.

[Memes]

And listen, I. I will say that if. If he comes on.

[Hank]

Does not.

[Memes]

I would listen to whatever, like, fake medical advice he gave me. I love fake doctors.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he's a fake doctor. That's. That's important part. He's a trainer. To not say he's a real doctor. He's a trainer. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna do our list. We have a list. We're gonna make a list of top quarterback free agents. I think we should make two lists. One is top quarterback free agents. One is top quarterbacks that might be on the move. Okay, so that's like the Kyler, the Gino, that. That group. So let's start with top quarterback free agents. This is going to be the, pardon my, take, official bible, because we know that there are certainly some scouts and maybe possibly GMs that listen to this show. So if you want to just take this. Scouts and GMs, these guys that you can sell yourself on, we will be fully on board. All right, here's the list. I'm going to give you the list. It's obviously longer than this, but this is the list that I've come up with, and then we can sort it through. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariota, Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Jimmy G. Mitch and Phil Rivers. Where do we want to start? Who's the one. One on Russell Wilson on there. Russell Wilson is on there.

[Memes]

Is it also Malik Willis?

[Big Cat]

Malik Willis is. Yes. So he's number one.

[Memes]

Malik Willis, my number one. Daniel Jones, technically.

[Hank]

Mario Ta.

[Big Cat]

Daniel Jones.

[Memes]

Transition tag.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Team could offer him a bag.

[Big Cat]

All right. Malik Willis, 1. I like that a lot. I think that's. That makes sense. I think you got to go. Phil Rivers, too, right? Who would you rather have, Zach Wilson or Phil? Although I'm still. I'm not done with Zach Wilson.

[Memes]

You're still believing.

[Big Cat]

I'm still believing in Zach Wilson.

[Memes]

I mean, he got Quinda Rag wedged him out last year.

[Big Cat]

All right, so you.

[Max]

I mean, who.

[Big Cat]

Who would you want for this next year? Was it Aaron Rodgers?

[Hank]

If you want a winner. Aaron Rodgers, if you want a winner. There's one obvious pick.

[Memes]

Trey Lance.

[Hank]

Nope.

[Roger Bennett]

Who? Who?

[Memes]

Jimmy G. Jimmy G. He wins football games.

[Hank]

He's been to more Super Bowls than like anyone in the history of the league.

[Memes]

It is kind of weird how. How Jimmy Garoppolo just kind of.

[Big Cat]

That's not true. Kind of stop.

[Memes]

Kind of stop being a starter into

[Big Cat]

more Super Bowls than anyone in the league.

[Memes]

He went from going to Super Bowls.

[Hank]

It's a lot of Super Bowls.

[Big Cat]

How many Super Bowls has he been to?

[Memes]

I think like seven.

[Big Cat]

Has he?

[Memes]

Actually, he's been to. A lot of streets are saying he's a Cardinal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Because Michael Floor was his guy from. From the Rams. So that would make sense. Jimmy. Jimmy G. Super bowl appearances.

[Memes]

Jimmy G on the streets of Scottsdale would be a weapon.

[Big Cat]

He's played in one, right?

[Hank]

He's played in one.

[Big Cat]

And he was in the 2015 and 2017. Max is looking it up back up. How many times is he a backup on a Super Bowl? Max. Just go to his. Go to his. Wikipedia and you can just see how many rings he has. And then we can.

[Max]

But we need appearances. Yeah, I know.

[Big Cat]

But then you just add in the. Yeah, but no, he's lost in the. In the 49ers.

[Memes]

But he's lost. He's lost the super bowl because he, you know, the Patriots have lost a lot of Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

How many does he have? He has three, so he's probably been to five. Right. The Eagles loss and then the losses. The Niners quarterback. Oh, wait.

[Hank]

And he was with the Rams.

[Big Cat]

He wasn't with the Rams when they went to the Super bowl bowl, was he?

[Memes]

No, he's with the Rams in 2024.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So he was not with so five. So close to the most ever decent

[Memes]

Amount of Super Bowls.

[Big Cat]

More Super Bowls than a lot of people. A.

[Hank]

Pretty good.

[Memes]

Like that's a fact in terms of people who have ever lived. Yeah, he's up there.

[Big Cat]

All right, so we want to put him three. I think it goes Malik Willis, Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy G. I.

[Memes]

I think I would maybe. I would maybe go Tyrod number three.

[Big Cat]

No, not as a starter.

[Memes]

Over Jimmy.

[Big Cat]

Backup.

[Memes]

Over Jimmy G. Yeah, I think I'd

[Big Cat]

rather have Jimmy G. He's been to more Super Bowls than anyone in the history of the game.

[Hank]

What about Mary?

[Memes]

I like.

[Max]

I like Mariota.

[Memes]

Listen, Mariota is a great backup quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think Mariota over Tyrod.

[Memes]

Yeah, I think. I think Marcus Mario. Did you see that Falcons game? All right, he might be the number one backup quarterback.

[Big Cat]

All right, here's what I have right now. You can tell me if we want to switch anything. I have Malik Willis 1, Aaron Rodgers 2, Jimmy G3, Mariota 4, Tyrod 5. I think this is where you got to put in Joe Flacco and Phil Rivers. Okay, Flacco, Phil Rivers. Then. Then the question is Mitch.

[Memes]

But there should also be a caveat on this, that if. If we're talking about a one game replacement mid season at the last second, Joe Flacco's number one. Rivers. Rivers would be good too.

[Hank]

But he didn't win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's true. All right, but you need.

[Memes]

You need Flacco on four days notice, and he will go out there. He will give you a win.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I hear. Here's. Here's what I have for the whole list. If we're filling it out and you guys tell me if you want to switch anything. We have Malik Willis 1. Tell me. Tell me. Just say something if you don't like where they're at. Malik Willis 1, Aaron Rodgers 2. Jimmy G 3, Mario Ta 4, Tyrod 5, Joe Flacco 6, Phil Rivers 7. Mitch 8, Kenny 9, Zach Wilson 10, Russell Wilson 11, Wentz 12. Gotta put once. No, he's got to go above Russ.

[Memes]

I would put him 12. I'd personally have him 12 on my list.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I have him 10.

[Big Cat]

We should put Wentz 12, Brett Favre 13. Gotta have.

[Max]

Wait, so Kai, we're not including Kyler?

[Big Cat]

No, this is the second list.

[Memes]

Kyler has not been released yet. He will. He will be released.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

He shall be released.

[Big Cat]

All right, so let's do the second list. I feel like that was a good list right there. The second list. The names that we could have. So this is names that are possibly being traded, released, whatever it may be they're. But they're currently on a team. Kyler Murray. Tua. Derek Carr, Mack Jones, Anthony Richardson, Tanner McKee, Spencer Rattler, Geno Smith. Let's talk it out. Kyler. Kyler's. Kyler1. Mac Jones.

[Hank]

Mac Jones is under.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he could be traded. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's rumors. I.

[Hank]

Like. I. I think Mac Jones is. Mac Jones is the next.

[Big Cat]

On Darnold.

[Memes]

I think there's going to be four. Four different teams that talk themselves hard into Kyler Murray.

[Big Cat]

We actually.

[Memes]

And the. The matter of fact is Kyler Murray. If he goes to the Rams and chooses to be a backup with Sean McVeigh and stick around there, Kyler Murray is going to go into the hall of Fame game. So that's just how this is going to work out. Sean McVeigh is gonna be like, I got my guy for the next 10 years. We'll win one more super bowl with Matt Stafford, then it's Kyler. He'll be back to being elite again. But if he goes anywhere else, I think it's dicey.

[Hank]

So this.

[Big Cat]

This list actually should technically just be the next Sam Darnold. That should be the name of this list.

[Memes]

Okay, next. Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

Next.

[Memes]

Because I got another one for you.

[Big Cat]

Kyler Murray on there. What?

[Memes]

Anthony Richardson.

[Big Cat]

No, no, he's on the list. Yeah. So Kyler's one. You want to do. You want to do Mac Jones or Anthony Richardson, too? You like Mac Jones? Next. Sam Darnold.

[Hank]

I like Mac Jones one.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

And then boots.

[Big Cat]

You want to break the tie? M. Jones or Anthony Richardson or. Sorry. Mac Jones or Kyler Murray. Next. Darnold. Okay. All right.

[Hank]

Too small.

[Max]

I would rather have Kyler.

[Big Cat]

Mac Jones is 2. Anthony Richardson 3.

[Memes]

Yeah, that arm.

[Big Cat]

Anthony Richardson 3.

[Memes]

That arm. Don't quit. Daniel Jones. He could be on that list, too.

[Hank]

Where is he gonna go?

[Big Cat]

Who? Anthony Richardson. I don't know, but he could be the next Sam Darnold.

[Zach]

He could.

[Memes]

He could be better than Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

I think Gino 4 is G. Ken,

[Memes]

is it possible for Gino to be the next Sam Darnold if he was before Sam Darnold?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, he's got. They share a couple teams, too, because

[Memes]

it's like Sam Darnold might have been the next Geno.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but he took it to the next level. No, no, but then he.

[Memes]

And then he became Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

It becomes. It takes out the Geno, then he

[Memes]

becomes the first Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Memes]

And then now we're looking for the next guy.

[Big Cat]

All right, so Geno 4. Derek Carr memes sadder Satter. Jets signing Derek Carr or Tua?

[Memes]

That's a good debate because TUA helps.

[Big Cat]

Derek Carr's better. But it would be such a bummer just in general.

[Memes]

But the jets haven't had an interception in a while, so TUA helps that in practice.

[Big Cat]

Oh, true. Good point.

[Memes]

Okay, good point. Scout team. Scout team picks Derek Carr kills your wide receivers.

[Big Cat]

So I think Justin Field should be in this list, too. Tua.

[Memes]

Yeah, I think Tua would be the sadder.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right, so I'm gonna throw Justin Fields in there.

[Memes]

I got another one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Deshaun Watson. Think about it.

[Big Cat]

But he was already.

[Roger Bennett]

He.

[Big Cat]

I don't think he. I don't think he can be eligible just because he was good at one point. Like, really good.

[Memes]

He was very good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

At one point. Okay, how about Kyle Trask?

[Big Cat]

Kyle Trask could be the next Sam.

[Memes]

Next Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

He's got to make a team.

[Max]

Meme said this. I. I keep telling him to say it. Say it. And I'm like, will Levis.

[Big Cat]

Oh, good. One. Let's go. Will Levis. Five. Okay. And then two. All right, I'm gonna read this off to you guys. You tell me I'm taking out the 10. I'm taking out Tanner McKee and I'm taking out Derek Carr just because they don't really apply to the next Sam Dart Darnold. Tanner McKee wasn't a high draft pick. Derek Carr was good. Here's the next Sam Darnold list. We got 1. Kyler Murray, 2. Mac Jones, 3. Anthony Richardson. 4. Geno Smith, 5. Will Levis, 6. Justin Fields, 7.

[Roger Bennett]

2.

[Big Cat]

I feel good about that list. I think we're gonna get Sam Darnold out of that list.

[Memes]

There's going to be one.

[Max]

I feel like Gino's not in that list either.

[Memes]

Yeah, Gino. I don't think he counts in that list.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'll take him out.

[Memes]

I would. I would remove him for that list.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I mean, Tua's had good years.

[Memes]

Does Malik Willis count on that list?

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Two is also no. Malik Willis. No.

[Hank]

Because he's been.

[Big Cat]

Well, he's also a free agent, so we're gonna.

[Memes]

Yeah, but he was good.

[Big Cat]

We do a bad job of our list. It's really just once. Once we. Once we make the graphic, it will look good.

[Max]

Yeah, for sure.

[Big Cat]

All right. One.

[Memes]

One more name for the next him. Josh Johnson. What if this is the year for Josh O. What about you might put it all together.

[Big Cat]

How about this? Seven on this list, Argonauts. Seven on this list should be Sam Darnold. For those that still don't believe in Sam Darnold.

[Memes]

He can do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right. Like he could still be the next Sam Darnold.

[Memes]

Like, yeah, this is. This is the year where Sam Darnold can get himself off the list of guys like Trent Dilford and get himself onto the list of guys like Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fun. Fun list making.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What else we got? Max, we were talking briefly before the show. Are you getting nervous about the bubble? The bubble?

[Max]

If Villanova lost last night, I would have been nervous about the bubble. But now I think we're. I think we're firmly good firm. Firmly firmly good firm.

[Memes]

Good firm.

[Big Cat]

Something hit me last night in the Badgers game one. Obviously Nolan Winter getting hurt was not good. And that seems to happen. Johnny Davis or Chucky Hepburn late in the season two we really the nil and transfer portal, which is a lot of hand wringing, losing the seat. Like the true senior day moment sucks because Isaac guard, Greg Guard's son hit a three and it was electric.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Electric moment.

[Memes]

Yeah. That is nice.

[Big Cat]

You don't have as many of those moments of guys that have been there for a really long time and stayed at one school because everyone's transferred.

[Memes]

You've got the. Yeah. The moms walking out on the court with just the. The biggest button that you've ever seen on their sweatshirt. The roses. It is. That is a nice moment.

[Big Cat]

It was nice. It was nice. So I, I think we need. We've lost that a little bit it. And we need it.

[Max]

I. I saw some tweet yesterday. I can't find it. But I think there's like the. There's been. There's like 24 seniors that participated in senior day this year. Oh, you got it.

[Big Cat]

There are only 22 high major scholarship players who will celebrate senior night this week having played at just one place. That's pretty crazy.

[Max]

That's insane.

[Memes]

Considering how many out of how many schools.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, a lot. Like 60 sec has one. One single singular season senior who state for the whole time. That's nuts.

[Memes]

That's. I, I like my idea of if you stay at a school, if you don't transfer, you get an additional year of eligibility or you get.

[Big Cat]

You know what, you just get a Ph.D. automatic.

[Memes]

That's. That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

You don't have to go to class. You just get a PhD. You're just a doctor.

[Memes]

Dr. Marshall Henderson.

[Big Cat]

That would be great.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Dr. Isaac Guard.

[Hank]

He might be here this week.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Next week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Howdy, Toddy. There's a. Interesting debate. We can embrace debate if you'd like to.

[Big Cat]

I had. I had one more college basketball, then I want to embrace the debate. The one last college basketball. Credit to Bruce Pearl because he has been. You know, the. The thing that he said about my Ohio on. On over this weekend, everyone coming after him. He did have a quote that I. I appreciate. He said, am I rooting for my son to make the NCAA tournament? Of course I am. Did I help my son get the Auburn job? Nepotism. Of course I did. Credit to him. He just went out and admitted it. Well, yeah, because I didn't know. I was kind of 50. 50. Like, how did this guy. How does Stephen Pearl get this job? And why is Bruce Pearl so. So enamored with Auburn this year? And then he was like, hey, guys, that's actually my son. And I got him the job. That's why I'm rooting for him.

[Memes]

That's. I think his hand was a little bit for, like, there's no chance that he could ever say anything besides that. That it was so obvious that he was like, I. Listen, they got me dead to rights. Yeah, they got me.

[Big Cat]

You know what?

[Hank]

I'm.

[Big Cat]

I can't fight this one.

[Memes]

I got to take a plea deal.

[Big Cat]

They're. They're sniffing around. Yeah, they're starting to connect too many dots.

[Memes]

Yep, they got me.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, that was. And. And, yeah, we started conference championship week. We have the Long Island University, the Shark Fin. Did you guys see Fins Up?

[Memes]

Yeah, I like electric.

[Big Cat]

I used to go to games there. So it's in Brooklyn, Long Island University. It's. It's a mile from my old apartment in Dumbo. So you just take my son to those games. You can just walk in. It's free. And I'm so mad, I miss. Fins up. Shout out. Fins up. Because it's for people who didn't see it. Long Island University has a gym that looks like they're the Dolphins. Yes, I believe so.

[Hank]

That makes no sense.

[Big Cat]

No, they're the Sharks. Sharks.

[Memes]

We're the Sharks.

[Big Cat]

I think they're the Shark. Are they the Dolphins? The Sharks. They kind of look like the Nick Nolte fake team from Blue Chips.

[Hank]

Yeah, I thought that was. I didn't know what that was.

[Big Cat]

The Sharks.

[Hank]

When I saw the gym, I was like, what is.

[Big Cat]

So. Yeah, It's. It's a gym that is smaller than most high school gyms. You could just walk right in, and then they are in at the time you're listening this. They might have been eliminated, but I think they're in the semifinals of the nec and they have a new thing at the free throw line where they're. Fan base yells, fins up. And then everyone goes like the safety symbol, and it's like six people.

[Hank]

I was gonna say by fan base, you mean. It's like the size, but it's a lot.

[Memes]

Careful, Careful.

[Big Cat]

Probably the hardest place to play in the country.

[Memes]

They bring an intensity in that gym. Hank, I'd like to see you go. I bet you couldn't go 4 for 10 from the line in that gym easily.

[Big Cat]

You almost went to this school.

[Max]

Well, it used to be LIU Brook. There used to be LIU Brooklyn and LIU Post, and then they merged into one school. But I almost. I was talking to the LIU Brooklyn baseball coach for a while about potentially going.

[Big Cat]

It is a very funny color scheme and nickname because this school is in downtown Brooklyn, essentially, like downtown Brooklyn. Like, it's not too far from where the Nets play. And having a turquoise shark, like, it seems like this should be a team that's playing in Southern California. You.

[Memes]

It does. It does. But I love them. The fins up guy is.

[Big Cat]

Fins up.

[Memes]

Is intimidating as.

[Big Cat]

Fins up. Yep. Bang.

[Memes]

It is electric.

[Big Cat]

Got him.

[Memes]

It is like you can hear the. The fins reverberating off the back wall.

[Hank]

So good.

[Memes]

It's so good.

[Big Cat]

I'm mad that I never got to Fins up.

[Memes]

Yeah. So it's a new thing. Did this guy start the game? I don't know.

[Big Cat]

It was. I took. I took my son to a couple games. One of the games, the. The vibe at these games are so lax. And like I said, it doesn't cost to get in there. That one of the games. My son was probably like two and a half. He was essentially, like, sitting in the coach's lap. By the end of the game, he had gone all the way up and was. It was. Was on the court because. Just like, whatever. And they got. It's great. Fins up. Shout out to Fins up crew. We're big fans.

[Memes]

I love them.

[Big Cat]

I hope they get in the tournament. We'll be Fins upping the whole time. Okay, so what was your embrace debate?

[Memes]

Embrace debate. This was actually discussed this morning on. I believe it was on first take take, but Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams got into it. So I'm curious, honestly, to hear your take on. On this Question. It's regarding the NBA.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Are the Boston Celtics, Jalen Browns, or Jason Tatum's team? Discuss. Discuss amongst yourselves. I can give points for either side if you'd like some, some cheat sheets. But who's, whose team do you think they are?

[Hank]

I think they're Joe Missoula's team.

[Memes]

That was not the option. Celtics, Browns, or are they Tatum's team?

[Hank]

I, I don't understand the question. You need five players on the court at all times.

[Memes]

Yeah, but who's, I guess another way to think about this is like, who's Batman and who's Robin?

[Hank]

But it's a. That's two people out of five.

[Memes]

Yeah. Well, there's also bats, like Justice League. You got Alfred.

[Hank]

If we're talking Justice League, then it's like, who's your favorite superhero? You know?

[Memes]

Right.

[Hank]

And pitcher's the Flash.

[Memes]

Right. So when, like the Patriots, Super Bowls, you could say it's Tom Brady's team. Right.

[Hank]

Tom Brady was a quarterback. You could say it was Bill Belichick's team.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

Really depends which, which way?

[Memes]

I just thought it was an interesting new twist on a debate that I, I hadn't heard before.

[Hank]

What do you think? Pft.

[Memes]

I think it's a ridiculous concept for a debate, and I think it's beneath the integrity of the show to even discuss it. But you're, you're entertaining it, which makes me think that.

[Hank]

No, I'm just trying to get clarification.

[Big Cat]

Is Derek Whitestein, Is there a date for Jason Tatum to come back? Like, if.

[Hank]

No, we're just on, we're on injury report watch.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

They said, was it 314?

[Big Cat]

Did you guys see.

[Memes]

I think it's Peyton Pritchard.

[Big Cat]

Did you guys see SGA's outfit? I, I, I have to assume he was doing this as a troll and I loved it.

[Memes]

He looked like. Yeah, I've got one of those zip up ones. Like the ones. It's a great coat. It's a great coat.

[Big Cat]

But him doing the interview in that coat was even funnier where it's like you can't even see him talking.

[Memes]

I think you only are able to do that if you win mvp. If he was like, second place. Yep. Last year. I don't think you can wear that, that coat.

[Big Cat]

All right, so Carmelo Anthony says Jason Tatum needs to be very mature when he returns. Knowing it's Jalen Brown's team this season, I actually agree with this season. It is Jalen Brown's team.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You can't come in midstream. And be like, hey, it's going to be exactly the same. And also, Jason coming back from Achilles. Going forward, it might change, but this season, it's Jalen Brown's.

[Hank]

I agree with that. I mean, the. In the. In the episode of his last, like, comeback episode, he was like, you know, I mean, I ain't coming back to be a role player. But that Robin's. You know, he can be the second. Second option, and they can still win a champion.

[Memes]

I see. I don't like that. Because everyone's a role player. You got to be willing to. Even the. The biggest star on the team has to be able to embrace becoming a role player.

[Hank]

True.

[Big Cat]

Do we care. Last thing before we get to Roger Bread. Do we care at all about the wbc? I think I care. Once we're in the semifinals or finals,

[Hank]

I care about what time of the game's gonna be.

[Big Cat]

We're playing Brazil on Friday. At some point.

[Memes]

It's early.

[Big Cat]

At some point.

[Hank]

I don't care about Brazil.

[Big Cat]

I don't care about Brazil either. I. I think once we get. If we're playing, like, the Dominican Republic or Japan, I'm in. What about Italy? Italy's got a roster.

[Memes]

I'd like to smoke Italy.

[Big Cat]

Italy's got a roster.

[Max]

I bet on Australia over Chinese Taipei last night.

[Memes]

Taiwan.

[Max]

Australia 1.

[Memes]

Do you mean Taiwan, Max?

[Max]

And here they call it. They call it Chinese in the booth.

[Memes]

In the booth where you guys just award territory. We've discussed this before, Max.

[Max]

I was just saying that's what they.

[Hank]

That's.

[Memes]

You think that Taiwan is property of China.

[Max]

That's what the World Baseball Classic calls it.

[Memes]

I'm going to call it. I'm going to call it Taiwan. Okay, Zach, are you Taiwan guy?

[Max]

That's Taiwan.

[Memes]

I agree, Max. You're a type A guy.

[Max]

I'm. I'm just a reading guy.

[Memes]

Max is definitely a type A guy.

[Hank]

Max, what does our government call it?

[Memes]

Our government? Taiwan, Max.

[Big Cat]

What would you. What? I feel really bad for the players on Team Italy that don't have a vowels to end their last name.

[Max]

There's a couple they shouldn't be allowed on.

[Big Cat]

Andrew Fletcher's on. On Campion. That's. That's tough. You got some really good names, and then you got a couple guys. I mean, Kyle Teals on the team. I don't know.

[Memes]

Who's that guy on Australia? Is it Bazuna?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Memes]

Bazuna hit a monster shot last night. He's a very good player. I was wondering why he wasn't On Italy. It seems like that guy should be Italian.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They should just scoop up everyone.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Actually, Shohei should be on Italy.

[Max]

They asked Shane Victor. They asked Shane Victorino to be on. On the team.

[Memes]

Victorino.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We talked about that in our interview with him.

[Max]

Because. Because he had Val. Because they had a valid. His last name. They thought he was. They thought he was Italian.

[Memes]

Yeah. I want the US to win the World Baseball Classic because I think it goes towards my overall goal for this year. I would like to win the Triple crown.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

As a nation, I would. I would like to win the gold medals. I guess it would be like a quadruple crown. A grand slam.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what are they.

[Memes]

That's why you call it quadruple.

[Big Cat]

No, no, but what are the other. The gold medal.

[Memes]

Women's hockey. Men's hockey.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Yep.

[Memes]

And World Baseball Classic. World Cup. Oh.

[Big Cat]

And I. But I think even if we don't win, we won the super bowl again,

[Memes]

so it be the.

[Big Cat]

And also, we're hosting the Masters again.

[Memes]

The Big Five.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hosting the Masters is big.

[Memes]

The Big Five. And then the sixth major, which would be the players. No, I. I would love. I would love so much to win the World Baseball Classic and then the World cup, and it would just be the. The summer of America.

[Big Cat]

I can't. I can't stop thinking about Shohei on Team Italy. I need it. Why not? Why not?

[Memes]

He does.

[Big Cat]

Like, put Shohei on Team Italy.

[Memes]

He's got a lot of connections in the mob, huh?

[Big Cat]

He knows a guy or two.

[Memes]

He knows some mafia dude.

[Hank]

If we win the World Cup, I will. I will commit to soccer.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I thought you were going a

[Memes]

different direction before you said the word soccer. That was.

[Big Cat]

Hank. You know what? If we win the World Cup, I'll get a cat with you. Yeah, sure. All right. We'll both get cats if we win the world.

[Memes]

I can't get a cat. I just can't do that.

[Big Cat]

All right, but I'll get another dog. No, that doesn't.

[Memes]

That's so American.

[Big Cat]

No, that doesn't get a second ferret.

[Memes]

That's. Is that American?

[Big Cat]

You got to get a ferret.

[Memes]

What's the most American rodent I can get?

[Big Cat]

You got to get it. You got to get an animal you don't want. You got to get a ferret.

[Memes]

Okay, I'll get a ferret.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Hank]

What?

[Big Cat]

Are you sure? I mean, the law is very, you know, it's fungible. Yeah. What are you guys getting? Put some. Steve. I'll go Prairie Dog 61. Okay. Prairie Dog Max Soul patch for a year.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Why? We're talking with the World Cup.

[Max]

No, I'll do. I'll do that if Hank does that, too.

[Memes]

So I'm getting a cat.

[Big Cat]

He's getting a cat.

[Max]

I'd rather.

[Hank]

All right, so you get a cat. I'll get do so bad

[Max]

deal. Oh, I'm allergic cats. Wait. But I want to root for. I want to root to win the World Cup.

[Big Cat]

I do, too.

[Max]

I don't want to root to get a cat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's actually true. We should just not do this.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Max]

We're gonna end up.

[Memes]

We should actually. We're never gonna actually just do something. We should. We should make it something that we actually want to do as a reward for ourselves. Yes. If we win the World Cup, Blowjob week.

[Big Cat]

If memes in.

[Memes]

I was gonna say I was gonna enlist, but. Yeah, I'm down to not.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Memes]

If we. Yeah, if we win the World Cup, I'll enlist in list. Yeah, just do a tour. I'll enlist in the Air Force.

[Big Cat]

You're way too old.

[Memes]

Thanks for leading with too old instead of too short. That was awesome. I'm back.

[Max]

I thought everyone in the Air Force is short.

[Memes]

No, you're sitting.

[Big Cat]

Not as short as him.

[Hank]

You're sitting down.

[Big Cat]

You gotta be, like, six feet.

[Max]

I know. I think Air Force is short.

[Memes]

Yeah, you can't be too tall if you're going to be sitting in one of those cockpits.

[Big Cat]

All right, so we're off on all these deals. We'll think of something good that we want. Or we'll just make a group bet. We'll just make a group bet on

[Memes]

USA and also maybe blowjob week.

[Big Cat]

And blowjob week. Who's starting with giving head reviews?

[Memes]

Yo, what's up? This is pft. I'm over here at the suck station.

[Big Cat]

One suck. Everyone knows the rules. One lick.

[Max]

You have to be at least 4 foot 10.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

Oh, close.

[Memes]

Easily.

[Big Cat]

You got that.

[Memes]

Easy. That's easy money.

[Big Cat]

Easy. Okay, let's get to our interview with Roger Bennett. We're gonna talk some World cup maybe.

[Roger Bennett]

We'll.

[Big Cat]

We'll continue this conversation, then when we finish Roger Bennett, we'll do some fire fest. Okay, before we get to Roger Bennett, a quick word from our friends at Chevy. Football season might be over, but you know how it goes. The minute the big game ends, we're already talking about what's next. Free agency, the draft, who's getting paid, who's grinding. Because for football guys, there is no offseason that's exactly why they roll with the Chevy Silverado. Silverado is the truck that shows up every time. Built to haul, tow and take a beating. But smart where it counts. With modern tech that makes life easier. Big screens, available camera views that help with towing. And parking in a cabin that feels right. Whether you're road tripping, heading to practice or loading up for the weekend during the season, it's the MVP at tailgates. After the season, it turns into your training camp truck. Hauling gear, tackling home projects and doing the work that never stops. Because the grind doesn't take breaks. And neither does Silverado. Check out the current offers and build your own chevy [e-mail]. we are also brought to you by our friends at Planet Fitness. Listen, I'm. I got some fitness goals this year. I'm starting to get stronger. We have an all. We have Planet Fitness set up here. I've been lifting some weights. I've been using the stair climber, the treadmill. Everybody can get strong at Planet Fitness. High value membership that supports any fitness journey. As low as 15amonth. Over 2,800 club locations. Most clubs open 24 hours. I just mentioned I love the. I'm just in the iron jungle. Dumbbells. Dumbbells and the stair climber. That's my. That's where I'm going with Planet Fitness. We're all strong on this planet. Join today in club online or in the free PF app. Hours, amenities and offers vary by club. Check out planetfitness.com or stop by your local club for more information. Must be 18 years old to enroll or 13 to 17 with parent guardian. All right, here he is, our good friend, Roger Bennett. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. Recurring guest friend of the program. It is Roger Bennett, men and blazers. And he has a new book out because we are 100 days. We're actually what, 97 days. Counting 97 days. As you're listening this away from the World cup cup in North America. We are the World Cup. A personal history. The world's greatest sporting event. You wrote this book.

[Roger Bennett]

Words.

[Big Cat]

I wanna. I gotta talk.

[Zach]

We.

[Big Cat]

First of all, thank you for coming by and let's just. History of the World Cup. Give it. Tell us all the history of the World Cup.

[Roger Bennett]

It's in. In three or four words.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Personal history.

[Roger Bennett]

It's an incredible history of English failure.

[Memes]

Yeah. True.

[Roger Bennett]

Really?

[Big Cat]

It's true.

[Roger Bennett]

It is like that's probably. That's where it begins and ends. American big dreams.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Is there a chapter in here that's like England and it just says missed

[Roger Bennett]

PK There is actually a history of English football that I use for my research. It's called 40 Years of Shit, which is one of my favorite, and it's one of my favorite tomes. I'm in England and I support America. Now for your audience. I know I sound like I'm citizen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Thank God.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. I mean, I love this nation like Kenny Powers loves this nation. Our women kick ass and take. Take names. Or men. You know, we love a dream team.

[Memes]

We're trying.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, we do try. We've won one knockout game in our entire history, going all the way back to George Washington. So there's work to do. It's like a dream on team.

[Memes]

Wait, is it. Is that true? So we beat Mexico.

[Roger Bennett]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Roger Bennett]

We've never beaten a team in the entire planet other than Mexico. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And we always beat him. Dosagero.

[Roger Bennett]

We do. Always.

[Big Cat]

God blesses in Columbus in, like, March when it snows, knowing it's.

[Roger Bennett]

We've beaten them in the knockout. You've got good knowledge, man. And that's it.

[Big Cat]

I mean, that team.

[Roger Bennett]

We put a man on the moon. We invented the crooner.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

All of this crap. We can. So I'd say those two things. English failure and American big dreams. That's kind of the World cup, baby.

[Memes]

The. The 2002 team. I still maintain that, like, that that team was special and that team couldn't. It should have gone to the semifinals in the World Cup. We should have been there.

[Roger Bennett]

I love your love. I mean, there's a number of times they had, like, fresh, clear water in front of them. 2010, the Landon Donovan moment.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Roger Bennett]

Which, like, turned so many people onto football. And every single World cup has made America more and more a football loving nation. 1994 World cup was here right before it. Jack Kemp, the quarterback, the Rams quarterback. He was a congressman. He went on to the floor of Congress. Any other nation would be like, we got the World Cup Cup. Biggest thing that's going to ever happen to our nation. Jack Kemp ran to the floor of Congress and he said, I think it's really important that we tell American children that football is where you rush with it and throw it and catch it and use your hands and not where you kick it. And he said, this is real words. He said, one is American capitalism. The other is European socialism. You guys hate it. There was a study before the last World Cup 94, where soccer was found to be America's 67th most favorite sport and tractor pulling was 66. You're like taking the piss. And that's the other story is that, you know, America is now a football loving nation, which is hard to understand. It's like a young audience. It's got bigger World cup to World Cup. I just did a rod show, which was like a great honor. And he essentially asked me 10 questions all of which were the same, like, like, when are we going to like football? And I was like a rod. Like, the Economist just found out that soccer is the third biggest sport in America popularity wise. He said, where's baseball? I said, it's fourth now. Aod. And it was like telling a flat earth the, you know, the world is round, baby. But that's. That. That's where we are now. You're ahead of the curve, man.

[Memes]

I mean, yeah, I, I love the World Cup. It's. It's probably my favorite sporting event event every four years. And the fact that, I don't know, there's just something I don't, I don't really care much for like European football or European soccer. I don't really care about the epl. I don't care about the Champions League. Don't really care about the mls. But when it comes time for the international competitions, for some reason, it's just like, it's the pride that goes into. It's the people from all around the world. It's the stupid things that, like the little pop culture icons that pop up every four years that you, you learn about and you care about very deeply for four week span and then you completely forget about them until fans in the stands.

[Roger Bennett]

You like watching English people just fire.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Fire rockets out of their anal cavities.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

So you guys like, oh, I'm into this.

[Big Cat]

English guys with, with tattoos everywhere.

[Roger Bennett]

Like just English guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But they've been in the sun for five minutes and they look like a lobster. All the stuff.

[Memes]

I like the. There's always like one hot chick that just gets uber famous because she's. She's shown on camera for about like 2 seconds and then her life changes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And she becomes a millionaire. Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's some old guy cry. Remember the Brazilian guy?

[Roger Bennett]

Like SEC football? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That is very similar. Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

I like saying it's coming home. I like saying that and then not really believing it or knowing what it means. Is it actually. Is it coming home?

[Roger Bennett]

That's the deepest question I think you'll ever ask anyone. Is it ever coming home? So it's. Coming Home is a song of English longing. Like, England invented football. We think we should win it by right. We win it once. 1966 on home turf, like every English school kid. It's like, you know, 1985, 86 in Chicago. It's like, that was the year. 1966 is like the year everyone dreams of it. And English football, there's nothing like it. The whole nation, I mean, it's what the joy of sports, man, is that you make yourself believe when all evidence points to the contrary. Unless you're a New York jets fan and you just, like, you're just like, in it. And they dream and they make themselves believe, and then they shit the bed in the most self sabotage. It's like watching Charlie Brown run out of football. The whole nation is Charlie Brown with Lucy kicking. Apart from like, the whole nation's been like, Lucy, do that thing again. Yeah, thing where I effort, where I feel an agony, where I feel a national trauma. And it's the most English thing that ever English.

[Big Cat]

So. All right, so I want to talk about the book, but I want to keep going down this line of, like, the big dreams of America, the shit of England and Charlie Brown. Can we do a couple other countries? Like, what's. What's. What's Brazil? What. What is Brazil? Historically? Obviously, they've won World Cups. They play beautiful football. They also flop a lot.

[Hank]

A lot.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, it's flopping.

[Big Cat]

So what is that like, you know, in terms of, you know, maybe it's this tournament or just in general in history. Brazil.

[Roger Bennett]

We used to the show last night in Houston with jj. What where he's like, he went off on the flopping. He owns a team team in the Premier League. This child of Wisconsin who grew up playing hockey and gridiron, like, fell in love. He came on our show, like, did a football thing. It was fine. He kind of knew his stuff, kind of didn't. And then he asked to come on, like, a couple of months later. And I was like, cool in my head. I was like, we kind of did you. You know, we did it. We did all we could. He goes, no, no. He goes, I've been down a YouTube wormhole.

[Big Cat]

And there we go.

[Roger Bennett]

And he came back on and he knew. I mean, mean, it's not that hard to know more than me. You knew a lot more than me. I said, what happened, man? He said, I've just fallen in love with this crap. I'm gonna go and buy a Premier League team. I'm like, all in on this thing. And when we have J.J. watt, this child of Wisconsin living for like this. For Burnley, it's like the Allentown, Pennsylvania of England Football Club. We've kind of got everybody.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And JJ also is like. He. He jumps all the way in. I mean, look what he's done as a commentator, like, on games. He's so good at it.

[Roger Bennett]

And he should be illegal to be able to beat up pretty well anybody in the United States of America and then outthink them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's University of Wisconsin education. So what. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this World Cup.

[Memes]

Who.

[Big Cat]

Who are the teams? Does Spain still do Ticky Tacka or whatever the hell it's called?

[Roger Bennett]

Oh, Brazil.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Brazil.

[Roger Bennett]

This night you walked down Cooper Cabana Beach. They love Barry Manilow. They're really all in on that, man. Name a beach after. And they have like 100,000 people playing football. Keepy uppies. And like, you're looking at. You're like, oh, my God. Like, any one of those people, man, woman, there's dogs that can do, like, keepie uppies there that could probably get into the US team. And you're like, wow. Like, this scale, the passion, the way it's just woven in, it's like high school basketball in Indiana. You know, it's impossible to tell. The soul of the place about football is a freedom of expression. And so you're kind of there and you're like, wow, we've got ways to go. I mean, Spain is. I don't know what the American equivalent is. They have such a tactical discipline. They develop like little Ewoks. They bred Ewok playing footballers who are just so comfortable. It's like they wear the. The ball inside their boot. It's like the way. What they can do with it, it's just utterly transcendent. I don't know what the. They're playing on the, you know, 4D level.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Do they still do the Tick? Because the Tick attack is kind of a little bit like west coast offense, where it's like, hey, it's short passes, ball control, like, you know, and then we'll just kind of. You will just keep doing it and you can't stop it. And then eventually we'll break open the big one.

[Roger Bennett]

And it's just woven into the fabric of their society. The thing they do that we don't is that they don't give a crap whether their kids win or lose. Like in America, you guys. You guys love to win.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, we're winners. You win I don't know if you saw the gold medal game. We're winners.

[Roger Bennett]

I know.

[Memes]

But if we lose, we just pretend it didn't happen.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Roger Bennett]

It doesn't matter. But under 7 soccer, under 8 soccer, no one really cares.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

And so to win it, under 8, under 9, under 10 soccer in America, you just put the big kid in and he just mows everybody down. There's always someone who's like William refrigerator Perry, just mowing down other six, seven year olds. And that's how you win it. Under seven, under eight, under nine in Spain. I like, sod the score. Leave the little kids in. Let them enjoy. Let them destroy all comers with their little, you know, origami passes. They don't ever give a crap about the result results until they play for the big boys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

When they do, they destroy all of us. In America, sometimes your impulse to win, Our impulse to win is actually holding us back.

[Memes]

Yeah, it is. I, I've. I've always thought that with, with America, and this is true, I think with soccer as a whole, if you want to win a world cup, first you have to actually believe that you can win a world cup, because if you don't have that, that true belief that you can do it, there's so many. Like, the entire game is just. It's a constant, fluid game game. You're not going to be playing as passionately, as hard as somebody that truly believes that they can win a world cup. And we need a crazy. We need one guy on our team who's absolutely insane that really believes that we can win a world cup, and then that gets contagious for the rest of the team. So I don't know how much, you know about what the projected u. S. Men's team roster is going to be, but do you know if we have

[Roger Bennett]

a crazy, like the old, like, Brian Bosworth kind of mentality?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Tie in his. Ripping his shirt sleeves off. Like, like, tie around the head. By the way, you've nailed it, man. The world knows that we know that they know that we know that they know that we're crap at men's football. And it's like the last thing America's crap at. And the whole world, the soccer thing. Like in England, by the way, they call it soccer. The biggest show on English television is soccer Saturday. No one laughs at it. But when we do soccer and they say soccer, like, the whole world laughs at us for calling it soccer, mostly because we're so insecure about it, we kind of back off when they laugh at us. So the world loves that we are still inferior there. And when you speak to players from, like, 2006, 2010, when they played that big team for the first time, and you asked them, did you really think when you took the field against Belgium in 2014 that you guys looking at each other being like, we're going to win this game, and they'll tell you off the record, they'll be like, not really. And that's really what it takes. But the funny. The other odd thing is that 1994 team that took the field, you were a baby. You're like, eight, nine. They took the field in, like, stonewashed denim jerseys, like, mullets. Football world had never seen mullets to that point. It was like, what is that ginger hair? You know, swaggering on. They were. These kids were like college players. They were not. Very few of them played in Europe, and they didn't know what they didn't know, and they were really fearless. I interviewed a couple of them for this sport of. And one that 1990 was the first time the US men got back into the World Cup. Since 1950, we've been, like, off the. Off the. You know, just like, reduced to a rubble. We got back in 90, they were like tourists with really good tickets. They got their ass kicked by everybody. 94, they did the thing. Like, they didn't crap their pants with the nation watch. And they got noble, valiant defeat. And then they all said, you know, what we believed was 90, we showed the world we could qualify. 94, we showed the world we belonged. And the most American thing ever, they're like, 98. We were going to show the world we could win it.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Roger Bennett]

And they.

[Big Cat]

And we're still waiting.

[Roger Bennett]

Last place, they got beat by Iran with the nation watching, and they, you know, barely scored a goal. So that American mentality. Yeah, I mean, we're far away. I think we having that human being. We also like the Max Crosby kind of like, yeah, yeah, he needs a. He needs a team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he needs team.

[Memes]

We need.

[Big Cat]

We need more grit. Like that. That was the thing when watching the Gold cup, what was it, two years ago? We were soft. So if we suck at soccer, that's fine. We can't be soft and suck. And that was what I hated watching.

[Roger Bennett]

God, we got to get you in the locker room.

[Big Cat]

We just got to be. We got to be a little tougher. We got to maybe rough them up.

[Roger Bennett]

We got it. There's a future for you.

[Big Cat]

Get dirty with it. Can we. Can we. Can we not be Soft because. Am I right with the Gold Cup? The Gold cup was the one that we were just.

[Memes]

No, you bullied. You're right. Yeah. The best US Teams I can think of looking back, we had a couple players, like, I'll go back to 2002. That's when I think that the US actually had a chance. We should have beaten Germany. We should have been in the semifinals of the World Cup. We got. By a handball. We got screwed in that game. I. I'll go to my death thinking that we should have be beaten Germany. But that team had, like, two guys that were just monster Auche on Yu, who is like 220 pounds, 6 foot 3, who, like, just push people over. And then a guy named Big Cat. Cat Tony Santa, the Big Cat. He was like a role player on defense, but he was also a guy that, like, didn't take any. We need those guys on this team.

[Roger Bennett]

You know that. That would be. I do love, ever. Your knowledge is breathtaking.

[Memes]

Just. It's only about the US Men's.

[Max]

It's.

[Roger Bennett]

Working with it. Working with this Swansea owner is like. Yeah, working with this man.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if I still own any part of Swansea.

[Roger Bennett]

How did you not know I did you think?

[Big Cat]

I feel like we. I don't know. I gotta look it up.

[Roger Bennett]

You were, like, ahead of the curve.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

You were, like, way. It was like you were, in that moment, the first massive global superstar to buy into, well, Welsh football.

[Big Cat]

And I would get. I would get blamed for things. And now on the message board.

[Roger Bennett]

And now 20, 26.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Snoop Dogg is going to your team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's. He's. He's investing in Swansea.

[Roger Bennett]

He heard you owned a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Roger Bennett]

You wanted to dip his.

[Big Cat]

There we go.

[Roger Bennett]

Do you not see this? This is so mad, man. This is.

[Big Cat]

I can't say. Yeah, listen, I got three kids now. I got into Swansea. I didn't have kids.

[Roger Bennett]

You've given the gift. You broke. You broke the seal. Now everyone's flipping in. All of these, all these. All these, you know, these followers like Snoop following in your pathway.

[Big Cat]

I'm just trying to grow the game, Snoop.

[Roger Bennett]

I know you care, man. You do. It's here, it's here. It's hands off. Snoop went to Swansea. Swansea is like. I can't even think of what Swansea's American equivalent. I'm, like, scratching my head.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man.

[Roger Bennett]

I mean, you will be able to know because you know the city so well. You know the town, the people, the fat base. He went down, they gave out Snoop towels Before the game. They've not sold. Like, hardly anyone goes the game. Snoop was there. The whole city was there. It was Mobbed. This is 2026. How surreal football is. He did a lap of honor before the game. The place went utterly berserk. And so we may not be very good at football right now. And please, God, that would change my lifetime. Like, I don't. I just want the Chicago as to win one more super bowl while I'm alive. I'd love the US Men to win a World Cup.

[Big Cat]

You actually think we can in our lifetimes?

[Roger Bennett]

The Bears or no?

[Big Cat]

I hope the Bears, the U.S. men's team.

[Roger Bennett]

Like, well, this country can do whatever.

[Big Cat]

I agree with that. But it feels like the one thing we can't do is soccer.

[Roger Bennett]

Well, we need you in the locker room. We've already. We've already solved that problem. And we send you in there, you give the team to knees dirty. What was it you said? A grit?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, a little grit.

[Roger Bennett]

Little, little.

[Big Cat]

Push them around a little. But you, you said it. When you go to Braz, the dogs are playing soccer better than us.

[Roger Bennett]

They're so good. The dogs are so good. Honestly, I would watch Brazil. That's a league we could build. Brazilian dog soccer.

[Big Cat]

Brazilian dog soccer. If I could bet on it, I'd absolutely watch that. Yeah, if I can gamble on it, I'm in.

[Roger Bennett]

I mean, the dogs would not do it unless you could gamble on it. We don't really need this enough. But the gambling's very interesting. Pulling it back. We may not win, but we own everything. Like, this is the crazy thing is that again, 1994, no one cared. You all hated it. You protested too much and moved here. I moved to Chicago. Had everything, man, that I wanted, apart from football. Wasn't. Anyway, I used to have to call my dad in Liverpool. He'd hold the phone against the radio to follow along the team. Now, every Premier League team, the majority of Premier League, they're owned by Americans. You got Boston Red Sox. They own Liverpool.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Chelsea are owned by the Dodgers. You've got the Buccaneers family, you know. Yeah. Doing their, you know, slightly curious. Manchester is cronky.

[Big Cat]

Arsenal, right.

[Roger Bennett]

Possibly gonna win the league.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know they're. They're seven points up right now.

[Roger Bennett]

I know they've got Sean McVeigh, just like giving a little note, change everything.

[Big Cat]

Do you want me to do a side. A little side off World Cup? How's Everton doing?

[Roger Bennett]

I mean, Everton are Everton. I like the Bears. I don't know where my Bears end and My Everton begins.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

With dreamers.

[Big Cat]

They're not gonna get relegated though.

[Roger Bennett]

There's a, in my book I wrote there's a poet, Eduardo Galliana. I'm sure a lot of people come on your show and quote Edward.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. No we know him well.

[Roger Bennett]

He's a gorgeous man. You should have him on. Apart from his dad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And he had, had.

[Roger Bennett]

He wrote football is a pleasure that hurts is like his thing and that is at Everton or a pleasure that hurts.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[Roger Bennett]

And the Bears, I mean the Bears have been the same way. Yeah, the Bears have been very much the same way. So Everton are kind of in that, in that locust in that. But again I wouldn't know what to do if they did start winning.

[Big Cat]

Right. It gets confusing.

[Roger Bennett]

Would you want your team like when your team lose and that's what. That's your identity.

[Big Cat]

It's hard.

[Roger Bennett]

Don't take away my losing.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to adapt.

[Big Cat]

Am I losing?

[Memes]

It's very, it's difficult. I had, I struggled. I had one good year with the commanders and then I, I just kind of lost my mind and I was like if you don't say that Jane Daniels is top five quarterback I will kill you. You and I like you get. You feel yourself a little bit too much.

[Roger Bennett]

Did you enjoy the winning?

[Memes]

You grasp onto that, that, that brief moment where you think that you're never going to lose again and then right

[Roger Bennett]

back I find that I find like supporting teams that are self defeating and heartbreakingly. I do. I think if that is the worst part of your life you're doing pretty well.

[Big Cat]

That's a good point.

[Roger Bennett]

If your sports team are absolute bollocks and everything else is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah okay, it's good perspective but I

[Roger Bennett]

would not want to take away my losing is the honesty. I think the English people wouldn't know what to do if, if, if they won in right. The United States 250th anniversary and they became. I don't think.

[Big Cat]

Oh man, I didn't even think about that.

[Memes]

You probably take a lot of joy in watching your rivals lose though. Like if you root for a team that's not successful it's just like I'm so glad that the New England Patriots lost the super bowl again with the

[Roger Bennett]

English people which I'm not anymore obviously American by the way.

[Big Cat]

We need to have you just be like maybe you're just be our president because the way you talk about like American swagger and that we own everything. It doesn't feel as like in your face. When it has an English accent, it works, you know what I mean? Like we own everything, we can do anything.

[Roger Bennett]

It's because you've got the, you've got the, you've got the words of swagger, but the English coating of self loathing.

[Big Cat]

When we say it, we're.

[Roger Bennett]

You think about schadenfreude. Like if you do. There's a saying. If you gave an English person the choice between his own success and your failure, he'd choose your failure every day of the week. That's genuinely how England lives. That's why most football fans would, I mean, bite your arm off. To be able to laugh at their enemy's failure far more, I think, than you did winning. That joy is kind of fleeting.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Well, then you got to do it again.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Stress off, managing those expectations. You got some precious to lose.

[Big Cat]

You've raised the bar.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, it can only raise a bar.

[Roger Bennett]

It can only be one way down. But endless joy out of your enemy's pain.

[Big Cat]

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[Roger Bennett]

Season.

[Big Cat]

It's going to be 70 degrees on Monday in Chicago. Spring is here and we've changed the clock. So get it. Grab a refreshing twisted tea today. And now back to Roger Bennett. I got a question about the book. So what's your first World cup memory? And what was the one that's like, crystallized?

[Roger Bennett]

Like, hey, this is 1978 Argentina.

[Big Cat]

And what, what, what about it?

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, we didn't have live television in England. England's a tiny island. This is kind of mental. Like, the people that ran the football teams wouldn't allow any live football because we're about as big as like Indiana. And so if they were terrified if they put live games on, no one would go to any, you know, 92 teams. So we never Saw live football other than go in the game. And when you went the game, it was played by kind of dumpy men, balding mostly, who try and kick the crap out of each other on muddy pitches. They'd run in, scurry into the locker room at half time for a cigarette and a pint and a pipe and then the whole crowd would beat the. Out of each other. And it was pretty, you know, it was fun, but it was also deeply miserable when you actually thought about it. And Argentina had the World cup and they had these incredible stadia and like the. The first thing I saw was seven. It was like the sun. It took me a while to realize what the hell it was. I was like, what is that orange thing in the air? My mum said, it's the sun. It's the sun. I was like, oh, because we're like a nation of mole men. So I'm looking at this thing, everyone's beautiful. They're all in like sh. And then 100,000 people, the two teams take the field and the whole stadium just explodes in confetti and like toilet. Thousands of toilet rolls are thrown from the bleachers. My mum's sitting there, she goes, who take a toilet roll to a football game, son? I was like, oh, shut up, mum. This is amazing. And I realized in that second, football could be joyous and sports could be. I'd never. Sports was punishing. Sports is about having someone you didn't know from behind urinate down the back of your legs through a rolled up program. And I was like, I was hooked from that moment. But in all seriousness, the joy of the World Cup. And this is, I think kind of what you were saying is when two teams take the field, like their nation's history, their nation's politics, their nation's culture takes the field alongside them. And it's just the depth of all of it. When you play Germany, like the levels of storytelling there, like, you know, when you play, play well, when people play America, this World cup, it's going to be. I mean it's going to be super multi dimensional in the. That's why Panama tried to kick the crap out of us. The canal crap. Canada. Yeah.

[Memes]

That's why we need you talking for us. Yeah, you sound.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, maybe he's that man.

[Big Cat]

Have you thought about feed it to me? You just deliver.

[Roger Bennett]

I'm just here to spread love and peace, baby.

[Memes]

Yeah. I feel like you might be next in line for the FIFA peace prize.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. I don't know if I'm worth, but I don't know.

[Big Cat]

You don't know if you can pay enough for it.

[Roger Bennett]

You're not getting the FIFA podcasting. I mean, why did FIFA stop at

[Memes]

a peace price for peace?

[Roger Bennett]

Why did they not give a price for like music? So like, yeah, Kid Rock could get that and like, you know, they should just expand.

[Memes]

Well, doesn't it give you hope that maybe we could win a World Cup? If, you know, the, the tournament is put on by such a nakedly corrupt organization like FIFA, we could just bribe our way to. To it. Why haven't we done that?

[Roger Bennett]

Well, I gotta say, this conversation for the past 30 minutes, I think we've solved a lot of football problems and ultimately we need your action. You need to follow through on all of these things. The Dog Football League. Plus gambling. The grit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

The get your knees dirty. The team talk. Get in there. I mean, the FIFA thing, it's. I mean, it's like Roger Goodell, but global, man. Right. It's, you know, they do the thing. They think about different things than we do when we go to sports and it's like, like, it's just different.

[Memes]

So another, another team that's had a lot of success in the past, not recently. Is Italy, is Italy ever going to play in another World cup again?

[Roger Bennett]

Divine. They don't need to. They've had so much joy. The memories, the memory, they can live off those for forever. The Italian thing is very strange, man.

[Memes]

What happened?

[Roger Bennett]

Countries, the tectonic plates, the, the economy bottoms out. The. You know, I think sometime after Rome fell, things went down the toilet. Football is about money and the teams that do really well have tons of it. And you're seeing like Europe. You can tell a team that's not going to do well when you go to their nation and they're nicety, you know, they need the tourist dollars, you know what I mean? And so that's really it. The Italian, I mean, it's in a tough place. As the economies crumble. More opportunity for you. The American team, the Dog League.

[Big Cat]

So they missed the World cup again.

[Roger Bennett]

There's a very, very low. The, the playoffs. There's a playoff.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. We still don't have all the teams.

[Roger Bennett]

We don't have them all. They can play their way in still. Okay. It's like the playing game for March Madness. So they're in there, but I do think the nation's brace. But they won. They won stuff.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

And ultimately surrounded by that winning is dismal failure and rebuilding year. Would you take like, I mean, you don't have draft picks. You don't have. Yeah, you don't have it, man. You don't have, like, relegation. That's the craziest thing.

[Memes]

Relegating countries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

You guys, it's not a country anymore.

[Roger Bennett]

You're mad. It is mad, though. America, you love, like, cutthroat capitalism. Yeah. In sports, you don't have any punishments for. In fact, you get rewarded.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

It's like your sports are like socialism for rich guys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Roger Bennett]

So, you know, you don't have to.

[Big Cat]

You could put out the worst product ever and you'll still get a big check at the end.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. You do know.

[Big Cat]

And Pittsburgh Pirates are going to make money. Jerry Reinstorf has figured it out.

[Roger Bennett]

He's a genius.

[Big Cat]

He bought it. He bought the White Sox at the Bulls for, like, a bushel of blueberries. Now they're billions.

[Roger Bennett]

When you frame it like that. The man is a business genius, but that's the darkness. Man is like in football, if you crap the bed, you get punished for it. And that is a debate. There's a team, Tottenham Hotspur, who are historically a powerhouse, they have, like, just completely and utterly destroyed the team culture. The fans hate the players. The players hate the fans. The players hate the everyone. And they're in deep, deep, deep danger of being relegated.

[Big Cat]

They were up one nothing on Crystal palace when I just walked by the gambling.

[Roger Bennett]

I love you. If you'd walk back minutes later, you'd see they were three one down and all the fans were walking out at halftime. But they're still in the Champions League. They can still win something. And their fans are debating whether they would love to win something, something and actually get relegated.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you weren't lying. They're down three one.

[Roger Bennett]

Are they still down?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Roger Bennett]

There you go. God bless the darkness. They are the Chicago Bears of London. I mean, so that's it. But you can't have that in American sports. Whether you would accept, like, a dark, dark punishment and 1:1.

[Memes]

Because it would drive down the prices of the team so much that nobody,

[Hank]

no owners, no one would pay, like,

[Memes]

$6 billion for a team if there's a chance.

[Roger Bennett]

And that's what we lose for.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we've thrown out the idea that would be great. Great for especially baseball, because everyone's like, how do you fix baseball? The idea that we came up with was if you have. If you can't go over 500 for five consecutive seasons, you automatically have to sell the team, like, immediately. Five seasons, like, to not get to

[Roger Bennett]

dictate who the buyer is. As well as you.

[Big Cat]

No, it just goes to sale. You have to sell it. Five seasons is crazy. Like to not be over 500 for five seasons in baseball.

[Roger Bennett]

When are you going to be the commissioner? Is it before or after?

[Big Cat]

That was our, that was our best idea. There's a lot worse. It's like an iceberg. You don't want to go go down. You don't want to see what's underneath with some of our.

[Roger Bennett]

I thought you were going to say you want relegation.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Roger Bennett]

Move the Pawtucket Red Sox up to the major leagues. I think it would be unbelievable.

[Memes]

It would be incredible. Yeah. It's just, it's never going to happen the way that they, they write in. I love the bylaws.

[Roger Bennett]

You guys are mad. It's like you've just defended why it doesn't happen here. Because the team's values would definitely.

[Memes]

I, I don't hate it but it's. I mean I do hate it, but it's the reality and it's never going to change. Like the one thing that I always say is European sports fans have it figured out better than we do. They don't take any. If the teams like try to them over. If they try to raise ticket prices. If they're in the middle of a dry spell like the fans will do the walkouts. They'll do a walk out.

[Roger Bennett]

I mean like any, any self respecting fan base would go to the training ground and threaten the players with crew bars.

[Big Cat]

That's what you do now in America we just say hey, we're tanking. This is awesome.

[Roger Bennett]

By the way. When I first watched the NFL it was a New Orleans Saints bad season. It was 85. And I watched the Saints put the fans put paper bags on their heads and be the eights. And I'd never seen like fan. I was like, I looked at it, I thought oh my God. Like they are just. They've still got the beer, they've still got the hot dog. Life's not that bad. But they were making a joke out of it. Yeah. I was like why are they not ripping their shirts off, jumping onto the field and trying to kick the crap out of the players. That probably would not have ended well for the fans. Like there's a thing England but like you get that's the biggest difference between all of this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Is and the American owners of the Premier League teams. You, that's crazy. You let your owners move teams.

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

But you're like so compliant. You're like yeah, of course. Yeah. They own it. They can do what they want, man.

[Memes]

Yeah, well, no, we hate it, but it's. Can't do anything. It's a reality that we've kind of accepted. Like, the owner of the Athletics, John Fisher, like that guy.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, we did. We literally. We went, like, months where we said,

[Memes]

every podcast, we like that bad human being. I. I don't care that, like, he's making a lot of money. Good for his family, I guess. But you have to realize that the one thing we don't have in America, the owners of these teams, they don't. They don't really care about the communities that they buy teams in. They just. They want their investment.

[Roger Bennett]

Why you would. I don't understand why you would, like, cheer for the Rams. It's like, when you've cheated, when you've moved to another city, they. It could happen again. I don't know why the Raiders like

[Big Cat]

the Las Vegas, but that's also an NFL problem. Because the NFL wants the big markets. The NFL is the 1 that pushed them to do that.

[Roger Bennett]

But, like, the American owners go over to England, they buy the Premier League teams, and when you speak to them, they'll be like, okay, we see them as vastly underdeveloped. And we said, what does that mean? They'll be like. They're essentially content platforms. We're going to. They're not really content platforms.

[Big Cat]

This is our. Is our. This is the reason why our Bears are looking for a new stadium. It's not because the McCaskey. I don't think the McCaskeys, like, necessarily want to do it. The NFL says, hey, you got to get a new stadium, so now you're worth $9 billion. So we're worth $7 billion. Everyone goes up. That's all they're trying to do.

[Roger Bennett]

It's. What are we ching for?

[Big Cat]

I just.

[Memes]

It's tradition at this point.

[Big Cat]

It's just circus, right?

[Memes]

I went here when I was a kid. I saw. I used to watch the games. I watched these games with my parents. So I'm going to continue to root for that same thing.

[Roger Bennett]

Say the dog league might fix everything.

[Big Cat]

I think that fixed everything. I had a question. Another question.

[Memes]

Like an NFL pa. In the dog league, is there a union?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's got to be a tiny dog.

[Memes]

Yeah, tiny dog.

[Roger Bennett]

That's what we know. It's all over the unionized.

[Big Cat]

This might be a movie. This might be a new movie that we just created.

[Roger Bennett]

Generation Baby to boner dogs.

[Memes]

I. I did. I. I went to. I went to Spain over Christmas, and I took A tour of the stadium that they have there, the new Real Madrid stadium. So the. The crazy thing about that place, and it's beautiful. I went inside, I looked around, I was like, this is. Is an amazing stadium. And I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much. And then after about like, three minutes, it dawned on me. There are no visible advertisements anywhere in the city. They spent like $1.8 billion upgrading it. They put a lot of money into it. But you look around in the States and if you're at like any ballpark, doesn't matter what sport, there's the giant banners everywhere. It's your eyes, they're drawn to it everywhere you look. Advertisement, advertisement, billboard board and this giant, giant, brand new stadium that cost $2 billion or whatever it is to upgrade. There's just no advertise. And it looks clean and looks beautiful. And I thought to myself, like, how. How is this even possible?

[Big Cat]

How.

[Memes]

Why. Why are the owners of this team not concerned with making money? Like, in America? What's the difference there? Because it's an awesome experience to go to a game and not have to look at all that stuff.

[Roger Bennett]

Wait till. Shahid, they come over here on their tour and they see the Jacksonville Jaguar stadium with the Jacuzzis and they're gonna go back.

[Memes]

Careful, careful. Don't talk about it. I'll draw. Yeah, don't go.

[Big Cat]

Don't go near them.

[Memes]

Talk about the Jaguars pool.

[Roger Bennett]

Have I just hit enough?

[Big Cat]

No, the pool is the best.

[Roger Bennett]

I'm gonna. Yeah. God, that'll be. They'll be bringing all that. But it is. The Americans are like. It is content platforms. It is so unbelievably crazy. I don't know what we're cheering for. Dog leagues. You can ask me something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, all right. I was going to ask you in the history of the World cup because this is the book I love. I love the history for me, Best champion ever. What's the team where you're like, that

[Roger Bennett]

was the team United States. 2034. 2038. The best. I mean, the World cup ended 2022. I mean, it's quite a cliffhanger if it was a television series ended like, you know, wow, I can't wait for the next one with Lionel Mess. Messi, Argentina.

[Big Cat]

My goat.

[Roger Bennett]

That's fighting Tour.

[Big Cat]

Why? Yeah. Oh, Ronaldo's bigger and stronger than everyone beings.

[Roger Bennett]

There's a Ronaldo kind of human being, and there's a Lionel Messi kind of.

[Memes]

I'm Mardona.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

By the way, he did Everything Messi did on cocaine.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And he was fatter.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, true. And I. Just live life.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Just live life. That's one way to put it.

[Roger Bennett]

Just live life. The Maradona thing, the Met so Messi and Mbappe. That was like. I don't know what. What super bowl that would be. That was just like Plato's Cave football. That was just like. Well, I don't like to be hyperbole. It was like watching Homer's Odyssey, like, acted out live of every. I mean, that was. They were just trading goals. Biggest moment, this human being. Little Lionel Messi. Tiny little man, looks like he's wandered out of super cuts, but it's like, oh, my God. Just transcendent football star. Four times he'd failed the Maradona thing. Lingering like Maradona in heaven. You're not as good as me. You can never be as great as me until you win. He's on teams that are crazy. Like, reckless. I mean, just insane. All they wanted to do was just, you know, eat the beef, drink the beer, not win the football. Everything was on him. Loses his first game to Saudi Arabia, which was just like, oh, my God, it's happening again. And instead digs deeper and ends up winning. It was like watching Sisyphus, like, roll up that rock up the hill. Marv Levy would have been looking down from heaven, being like, respect you got there, Marvel.

[Big Cat]

Levy still alive.

[Roger Bennett]

Is He Really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. 100.

[Roger Bennett]

Really? 100. That makes me so happy.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[Roger Bennett]

Is he really alive?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Roger Bennett]

Oh, God bless you, Marv Levy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

God, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Isn't that great? He actually lives in Chicago. 100 now you're winding me up. Swear to God. I actually went and did a radio remote with him, like, seven years ago. He was still sharp as could be.

[Roger Bennett]

I'm so unbelievably happy, Jen, if you're winding me up.

[Big Cat]

And I would not joke, I want you to know, if 100 years.

[Roger Bennett]

If I find out he's dead, I am going to be crushed.

[Big Cat]

The only reason I bring it up is because Eddie, who you met before the Bears packers game, when we saw. Let's see, on the sideline, Eddie texted me the other day. He's like, hey, do you think we should see if Marv Levy will come in? I was like, yeah, yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

By the way, the first time I ever came to Chicago ago, 1986, after the super. After the first American Bowl, I stayed with a Chicago kid in Northbrook, and he took me to see his grandma. We were going out to Carson's Ribs. That Was very fancy back in the day. I went to pick his grandma up. I was just like this 15 year old kid in a tower block on Lakeshore Drive. And she goes, you should introduce him to my neighbor. I was like, who's your neighbor? She goes, goes, sid Luckman.

[Big Cat]

Oh, look at that.

[Roger Bennett]

I was like, what? And genuinely, I rang his doorbell. This beautiful, lovely, gorgeous old man with like, old man handwriting for the autograph, like the little wobbly little letters. And then I got to spend an afternoon with Sid.

[Big Cat]

That's incredible.

[Roger Bennett]

And now, God, I mean, he was like half Marv Levy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we gotta get. Yeah, we gotta get Marv.

[Memes]

Leaving Marv Levy to the gauntlet.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, all right. So anyway, Messi. That World Cup.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, that marvel. Yeah, Cliffhanger one. Oh, by the way, the other one there would be Maradona, man. 1986, Diego Maradona on a terrible team. This incredible player who, I mean, you would not joking. He, like did the blow Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, sweated it out. Friday, football, Saturday, then repeat, repeat. I mean, that was who he was. He did. I mean, he was a squat, impudent, like huge. He was like. It was like a running back. He was built like the thighs Reese Jones drew. Exactly. You couldn't knock him off the ball. Played England, shadow of the Falkland War. Like, these were my heroes. And I still rooted for the English team. And Diego Maradona, this five foot six little man, first goal, he punched. Is this familiar?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, A big hand of God.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, he jumped. He jumped over the goalkeeper, like, punched it. I don't know why the television commentator didn't actually see it. Like, it was pretty blatant.

[Big Cat]

No var.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, no var. The referee didn't say it. And afterwards, an incredible line, man, like out of a Muhammad Ali esque man. He said, they said, did you handle it? And he said, it was a little bit the head of Diego, a little bit the hand of God. Just incredible branding, man. But then a couple of minutes later, while we're just reeling in agony, like, genuinely, like, I was trying, I was borderline gonna disembowel myself. It was just like my heroes being absolutely ingested this. He destroyed the whole team. He picked the ball up deep and beat all 10 of them. And one of the English players later said it was all. It was a goal. So breathtaking, it was all I could do to not applaud it myself. And so one goal, like bastard second goal. And when it was over, I went outside and I don't know if you ever felt like this after watching a team you love crap the bed with the world watching, I got a soccer ball and just drove it through the window of the house, like, just in agony. Just like, you know, too many teen movies I've probably watched. And my dad, who was a bit of a, you know, he's a bit of a disciplinarian bastard. The glass was tinkling down and he just looked at me. I was like, panting, like, desperately sweaty, like young, young James Spader. And he goes, he just goes, son, I understand, I understand.

[Memes]

There's been there, yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

So that's it. Those two. 86. The last one, please, God. This one, yeah. The world needs a bit of joy. The world needs a bit of connectivity. The world needs a bit of. Bit of coming together and feeling good about itself.

[Memes]

I, I would agree with that. We'll get back to Roger Bennett in a second. He's brought to you by Venmo, where you can get in the game with a college branded Venmo debit card. Earn up to 5% cash back at some of your favorite brands. With Venmo Stash Rewards, you can add your Venmo debit card to your mobile wallet as soon as you sign up and pay online and in store right from your phone. The cart is the card is tied right to your Venmo account. If you got paid back for dinner, you can immediately access the money in your Venmo balance. You can spend it on what you want, game day, snacks, tickets, new merch. You can easily split purchases in the app. There's no monthly fee, no minimum balance. Score more with the college branded Venmo debit card. Get up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash. What would you use your Venmo stash on, Hank? What would you use a stash of cash that's readily available on your Venmo account for.

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[Roger Bennett]

I mean, everyone's going to get out. Every team you care about will get out. So many. It's a very, very large World Cup. Every, like three teams out. The four will get out.

[Big Cat]

Out.

[Roger Bennett]

The thing about America that's amazing is that we were like, yeah, we got these teams. We didn't get any good ones. Every other team in our group is looking at us and being like, yeah, we got America. Yeah, we got America. We didn't get when. We could have got Argentina, we could have got England and all that.

[Memes]

But when Shaq drew. When Shaq put his hand into the bowl and pulled out Australia, he did the Lord's work. It was wonderful. That was a great moment in American

[Roger Bennett]

history, by the way. You know, they only use balls in drawers when they're trying to fix them now in this day and age, like, with all the technologies that are. But the amazing thing is how Shaq. Because some of those balls are hot, I imagine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Some of those balls are very cold. And the amazing thing is because Shaq, that hand is how we like. I mean, there would have been like micro little dots for him. I was incredibly deaf.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Great job.

[Roger Bennett]

He should get probably. What's the medal that they give out? The thing of honor?

[Memes]

Purple Heart.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Medal of honor. Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Then, yeah, for that work alone, it was incredible. But yeah, yeah, we should get out the group.

[Memes]

Yeah, we have to. We have to get out of that group.

[Big Cat]

I.

[Memes]

If it's what, Australia? Paraguay. And then to be determined, probably Turkey.

[Roger Bennett]

Turkey.

[Memes]

Okay. Turkey's pretty good though, right? They're the ones that we don't want.

[Roger Bennett]

They're annoyingly good. We'll get out. We will get out. And God, I've got to say. London, Donovan, that goal, 2010. Do you even remember that?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

They were on the brink of crapping the bed again.

[Big Cat]

Two. Two.

[Roger Bennett]

It was. They needed To. Yeah, they needed to be Algeria.

[Memes]

It was like the best. The best distribution ever from Tim Howard on that play.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Roger Bennett]

It was. It was. I mean, it was. It was. It was like QB1 esque. It was. I mean, it was Friday Night Lights throughout. Bit of Altar door, bit of Dempsey, Landon Donovan.

[Big Cat]

Two. Two, by the way, was Portugal. That was the best win of all time.

[Roger Bennett]

That was the. The best win was the one one with England. When the New York Post wrote, we win one one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was amazing. That was 2010, the Algeria thing. We were like, out in the opening where we shat the bed again. We'd failed. And when America fell with England shit the bed, no one really cares. You know, the Premier League comes back on, everyone forgets. They all find different reasons to hate each other. The. If America fails, it sets the game back, like a decade. That's the crazy thing about your.

[Big Cat]

What's at stake.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Like, every time they shit the bed, it's like, you know, it's like 10 years off. And so they scored and it was beautiful, but it was like dodging a bullet. I mean, they lost in the next game anyway. But it gave you a sports sentiment. That's what football. That's what the Americans need to do. They need to give you moments that. That you register, man.

[Memes]

It was.

[Roger Bennett]

You're the threshold. Big cap.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

You have to know what they've done.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

And people need to see and. But this World cup will be massive whether they do well or don't do well, because there is an enormous audience now. There is, like, this young, huge footballing audience who, you know, if the US do well, it's magic. If they don't, they'll. 1994 World cup was like, OJ did his thing on the first day. So, like, it kind of like.

[Memes]

It's a good way to put it.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, he did his thing. Yeah, he did his thing. He did.

[Memes]

Say what you want about OJ yeah, 100 OJ.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did the thing.

[Roger Bennett]

He did. So, like, no one was talking about the World Cup. It's. The Rockets were playing the next one. They're like, night and then. And then three days later, Ireland played Italy in the Meadowland. And, like, New Jersey showed up. Like, half of them. It was like Angela's Ashes, and half of them looked like the cast of the Sopranos. They were all there, and it was a delirious thing. It showed America that you can all just, like, dig into your roots, like your hybrid identities. And so whatever happens, like, it will be you got guys. That World cup is still the biggest World cup in terms of attendance.

[Big Cat]

Oh, wow. Well, yeah, because of our stadiums, too. This one will smash all the records, I assume.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. You guys love a circus. You love daytime drinking excuses, and you love, like, low productivity and the art. It's like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's the perfect March Madness. Yeah.

[Memes]

You know what I. What we don't like is the. The time wasted. We got to do something about the time wasting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Why can't we just do, like, why can't the clock just stop when the ball goes out a half and the flop.

[Roger Bennett]

Which is worth the flopping. The time wasted.

[Memes]

The flopping is bad, but it be. It'd be better if it wasn't also time wasted.

[Big Cat]

And they also feel like they've kind of figured out the. Like, they fixed it a little bit. A little bit. Like, there's.

[Roger Bennett]

It's a problem, man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But, like, I think refs have gotten a little bit better being, like, it's so clear what you.

[Roger Bennett]

Why don't we have a clock? Because electricity's only just been invented in England. I think it's part of it.

[Big Cat]

But PFT is right when you have a game. Game, and there's like, everyone should know, 80 minutes left, or, sorry, it's in the 80th minute and a team is up one nothing or two one, and they just sit on it. It sucks.

[Memes]

Arsenal did that the other day, right?

[Roger Bennett]

What are you talking about?

[Big Cat]

It sucks.

[Roger Bennett]

What are you talking about? I think get that from you.

[Big Cat]

No, you still don't get first downs. You still gotta get. They get that from you when you do shot clock.

[Roger Bennett]

When you're running the clock out, you

[Big Cat]

still got to get first.

[Roger Bennett]

We didn't used to do that in the football. We learned that off you.

[Big Cat]

I'll tell you.

[Roger Bennett]

No, we did. I'll tell you how it's happening. It's happening. Like, Joe Missoula is now very friendly. There's a football man in Pep Guardiola, and Pep Guardiola and Joe Missoula have got this deep, deep friendship. They both come on our show to talk about each other, and they're, like, begging and borrowing. Sean McVay and Kroenkey's team, Arsenal, Mikel Arteta, they become very close. So like our coach, who used to exist in their own little world where the only things that mattered were, like, great haircuts, cologne, driving Lambos into lampposts, walking out, buying another Lambo. That was what was important about football. And now they're getting your wily American ways. No, they're learning to run out the clock.

[Big Cat]

You watch the end of it, you still gotta get first.

[Roger Bennett]

Collingsworth is just telling us how they're gonna like get the minutes off.

[Memes]

You think that way because, like, as you grew up watching.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's strategy.

[Memes]

You watch English football, so they never had late leads. So they never had to do that. Oh, with us, it's, it's. It's tough American. I hate it. I hate it so bad. Like, it's. If it's the second half, I saw a stat that. It might have been Arsenal, but there was like 50 minutes of gameplay in the 90 minute game.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Oh, that's a lot. That's a lot. All right.

[Big Cat]

That part you might have gotten from us. Because the NFL, I think it's like 11 minutes.

[Memes]

11 minutes. But. But in soccer it's like we. You come to expect more than that. Like 50 minutes is. It's borderline. Like you're not watching that sport.

[Roger Bennett]

Well, you don't watch it for that, do you? Watch it. To see the players speak behind the hands, that's like, you know, there's many, many reasons why we come to crowd shots of large bellied man with Newcastle around there freezing their bits off in the. I mean, there's lots of reasons you watch this crap. I mean, it's the culture. It's all of it.

[Big Cat]

What about. What about soccer with no offside? How. How awesome would that be? Sky's cherry picking, I think.

[Roger Bennett]

You know what I'm realizing? Football needs a commissioner is what it needs. It needs more invention. Yeah. Needs more. I'm vibing on a couple of these things. I mean, the, the time of the thing is. I don't understand either. You are not wrong, why the referee is such a prick. These are. I and only.

[Big Cat]

I. Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

No, I mean it is. It's like. It's like. It's a. In England, we don't have much, man. We used to have an empire, right. We had the Royal Family.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's like all great.

[Memes]

We might have had a hand in screwing that one up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you start.

[Roger Bennett]

You started it. But they definitely. They definitely. They definitely.

[Memes]

You did say no.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

So I'm not. But we had. We had that. We had Downton Abbey. It's over, right?

[Big Cat]

The Beatles.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, still got the Beatles.

[Big Cat]

Still got the Beatles. Always have the Beatles.

[Roger Bennett]

But like, so we don't have much. And so in England, like when you have a tiny bit of power in life, you'll find it the whole time. Like, you know, if you like, people who have jobs just love effing other people over when they have a tiny little bit of leverage. It's like a tiny. It's like a petty. And that the referee. Why is the referee the only one who knows how many minutes are left and doesn't tell anybody? And we're all in the dunk. It's like. It's like one of the great vestiges.

[Big Cat]

He's like a bouncer or a mall security cop.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's like. All right, relax, man.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't have to tell you. I'm a prick. I can be a prick. I'm being a prick with everybody watching. We have no power. We have no control. I mean, it is remarkable, man.

[Memes]

I think. I think just if you made a rule, last 20 minutes of the game, the clock stops when the ball goes out of bounds.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Clock stops on every foul, every penalty. What's wrong with it?

[Big Cat]

Have a. Have a 10. Like the. Like in. In basketball where you can have a five set. You know what I mean? Like, if you're just standing in the corner trying to shield the defenders and not moving, you got to give the ball the other team.

[Roger Bennett]

We are about to enter an American century of football. Like, you guys are only just turning your mind to it in every way. Like J.J. watt last night. There's a var is the. It's like the. The rep where they kick the refereeing decisions. It's like when the NFL guys go to the side.

[Big Cat]

Replay review.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. It's still very bumpy. It takes forever. It takes a long, long time time. JJ's team was just effed over at the weekend and he just belted out live on site. The owners in England say nothing. They never speak. They never do any JJ so far. It's terrible. The rule should be. If it's not clear and obvious, it shouldn't take longer than 60 seconds. VAR should be 60 seconds of us. No. And it's all over the English papers today. They're just like Burnley owner jj. What has new idea all the. All of this stuff.

[Big Cat]

Well, this is what America. This is what we do as Americans. If we can't win, we're going to change. Change the rules?

[Roger Bennett]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

We have to change the rules. Your sport is stupid. We have to change.

[Memes]

It's unfair.

[Big Cat]

Until we win, we will find the balance. Yeah.

[Memes]

And then we take so much pride once we do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They were like, we did it.

[Roger Bennett]

It was us. I have never felt more optimistic about the future.

[Memes]

We lose, it's unfair. Then when we change the rules, we win, and then we just rub it in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Tell everyone else, get better.

[Memes]

We're the best in the world.

[Roger Bennett]

We're going to. We're going to ruin the game, but we're going to win. I've got to tell you, I'd accept that.

[Big Cat]

I wouldn't.

[Roger Bennett]

I would bite your arm off for that one.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely. All right. Well, Roger, this has been awesome. I got one last question. Again. Go by. The book is out now. We are the world.

[Roger Bennett]

You are such a human being.

[Big Cat]

A personal history of the world's greatest sporting event. And Roger is so, so funny. As you heard all this interview. Go buy it right now. Get excited for the World Cup. It's going to be World cup fever. My last question. Roback question. RH O B a-k.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take us out. England out. Who's going to win? The world? So I'm not. You're not picking against the US by the way.

[Memes]

Just.

[Big Cat]

You don't care about England.

[Zach]

You don't.

[Big Cat]

You're not picking.

[Roger Bennett]

I care about England as much. Kazakhs.

[Memes]

You're not.

[Roger Bennett]

I just want to be clear.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're not.

[Roger Bennett]

Makes me happy because I'm my mom. Yeah, that's nice.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

You're not picking against the US So we're taking him out of it. Who's going to win the World Cup?

[Roger Bennett]

If I was a betting man and I still had money left over after all the dog.

[Big Cat]

You're talking to two betting men right now, so be careful.

[Roger Bennett]

Name. I would put all of my money. Big cat.

[Big Cat]

Responsibly. All of it responsible.

[Roger Bennett]

All of it on. I love Norway, man.

[Big Cat]

Shut up.

[Roger Bennett]

I just love Norway. I just love it. Do it, by the way. Don't think about it. You know the best bet to just impulse it, right? Norway. They've not been in the tournament for a generation.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's great.

[Roger Bennett]

They've got a talent soak squad and they've got. Does the word Erling Haaland mean anything?

[Memes]

Yeah, Big, big Thor.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Big bloody Thor. Thor wishes, man. He's like. He's like. Remember when Shaq came into the NBA and he just, like, was just different and he was breaking backboards and every night it was just like, what did he do? Erling Holland. Is that. Is that man. He's like, just. It's like chat. GPT created a footballer. It's. I mean, he is just so powerful. So dominant. He's quite funny, too. He's. The longer he's gone on, the more he's developed a Persona. And with him leading this talent squad,

[Big Cat]

they're only 25 to 1. That's not. I thought it was a lot crazier. That's it. By the way.

[Roger Bennett]

It's a very.

[Big Cat]

5, 6, 7, the 9th. Best odds.

[Roger Bennett]

Don't even.

[Big Cat]

Like, that's not.

[Roger Bennett]

Don't even think, please.

[Big Cat]

If they win, you know, if I

[Roger Bennett]

put your kids through college, Big cat, it's all I can do to, like, repay you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Generosity of spirit and your joy and all that crap.

[Big Cat]

Norway.

[Roger Bennett]

Best bets are just impulsive, man. Go on.

[Big Cat]

It doesn't help that Italy's 30 to 1, and they're not even in it.

[Memes]

Not in.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, they could be, though. They might be now. Norway, Spain, France, Anyone but England, baby. Anybody? Anybody?

[Big Cat]

Very US is 65 to 1.

[Memes]

The other one we got to know because, like, when we just hop into sports, we have to know, like, what's the narrative around. Is there a guy that hasn't won the big one? Is there a guy in soccer that's. That's been, like, anointed as one of the greatest players in the world, but for whatever reason, they've choked in the World Cup?

[Roger Bennett]

There is one. And one man only in his name. Name is Christian Politic. No, it's Ronaldo, man.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We call him Penaldo.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah, we do. I mean, he's like. I was in. In the Euros, a European tournament in Ukraine in 2012, and I couldn't get a hotel room. I had to sleep in the. In the street overnight. And then the next day, the hotel came out and said, hey, we've got a room for you. I was like, cool. They go. Portugal just lost. The whole team have left the hotel. And I got Ronaldo's room, and I walked in, and, like, the air was, like, dangerously. It was dangerously. It wasn't, like, just a tiny hint. It was, like, thick with Dracon Noir. And I slept there. I slept there for two nights, and genuinely, for about 14 months after that, I smelled unbelievable. And everyone I shook hands with smelt of Cristiano and Alde, too. And I was just, like, putting his vibe out to me, the world. He said, I mean, he's a preing Portuguese, like a show.

[Big Cat]

He hasn't won the big one.

[Roger Bennett]

He's not in it. Destroy. You know, if you ask him, get him on the show, man. Get him on the show. Because you. When you're in, like, really Fit mood. That's what you remind me of, man. Oh, really? Yeah. I think you'd have a lot.

[Memes]

A preening show pony.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Yeah. Like eight abs, man.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

And he's like, I wonder when you do get him on this couch, on your casting couch that you. You. If you ask him, what would he. He like, what pisses him off more, that he's never won it as a hyper competitive person or that Lionel Messi just did.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

And I bet you genuinely.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

He'll tell you that he's never won it, but it will be.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

Like the thing that makes him scream into the abyss and, like, angry and extra almond at night sometimes. Is that. That little bastard?

[Big Cat]

And he's better than him.

[Memes]

Yeah, way better. Ronaldo's not even the best Ronald.

[Big Cat]

Ronaldo.

[Memes]

No, he's like the third best Ronaldo.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

It's what you must feel like about Colin Coward. Right? It's like that. Kind of like that. It's like that level of like.

[Memes]

Yeah. I mean, you got. You got Ronaldo, then you got fat Ronaldo, then you got Ronaldinho, and then you got Cristiano. He's the fourth best Ronaldo. God.

[Roger Bennett]

This is real knowledge. And Ronaldinho had another name. I can't remember what it was.

[Memes]

He got George R. Banks.

[Roger Bennett]

He got.

[Big Cat]

Do you talk about the Ronaldo conspiracy theories? The Brazilian fat Ronaldo in this book?

[Roger Bennett]

I do. God, you got incredible knowledge. Does he like football? No, but does he like conspiracy theories? Yummy. Yummy. Is that what it is?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So go buy the book. It is.

[Roger Bennett]

It's all in there. I answer, I get to the bottom of it.

[Big Cat]

Good theories about the 98 World Cup.

[Roger Bennett]

It was the man on the grassy kn. That's who did it. That's who did.

[Big Cat]

Nike.

[Roger Bennett]

Yes, it was actually. It was.

[Big Cat]

It was Roger. Thank you. You're the best. And we'll have you back on during the World Cup.

[Roger Bennett]

Big cat. You a gorgeous human being. What you do for football is.

[Big Cat]

You can't even say the straight face. Oh, man. All right.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Memes]

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[Hank]

This is just a. This is a what, six year firefest in the making.

[Big Cat]

Oh no.

[Hank]

Spiders. I. I didn't know spiders. Not, not season in season yet. But I think I have a good spider defense system which is. I just have like my dad got me like spray this big thing of. Of spider and it sprays. So I just do that every day

[Big Cat]

and see dad went to Home depot for you.

[Hank]

We just.

[Max]

I, I had.

[Hank]

He just ordered it for me. It was a nice gift from my dad. Shout out to my dad.

[Memes]

He's upgraded the spider defense unit at his house. You got the iron?

[Big Cat]

No, I, I'm not like your dad made a great move. I'm saying like you could have gone and gotten.

[Hank]

I had some stuff myself and my dad was. Just sent me a better version of what I had. Yeah, it was, it was a kind gesture.

[Memes]

The iron foam.

[Hank]

Yeah, they're calling it. I didn't go to the dentist since before COVID and I went a few weeks ago and then I, I went yesterday and had to get like a. A crown put in and like three fillings and it was, it was just, it was a horrible experience. One of the worst three hours of my life. The dental assistant. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna roast them. But it was. It was. It was just a horrible experience. And the whole time I was like, I just. You know, it's the classic. Classic. If you just go every six months, it wouldn't be that bad, but if you wait forever and then go, it's way worse. And it was.

[Memes]

I should probably go. I should probably go back at some point, but they're just going to tell me that I need to have four wisdom teeth out, and I kind of don't want to hear that news, but feel like, go ahead, roast them. Why aren't you roasting him?

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know.

[Hank]

It was. It was just. They were like. It was just. It was two. It was like, it's gonna take two hours. They're like, all right, it's 10 minutes left. You're pretty much done. They just have to put this little crown temporary thing in. And she. She tried, like, four times, and then I could tell that she was getting flustered. And it was one of those awkward moments where, like, she tried to put it in.

[Big Cat]

She was like, she couldn't put it in.

[Hank]

She couldn't. She failed, like, four times. Like, she was putting it in and then had to pull it out.

[Big Cat]

And she put it in again.

[Hank]

Put it in again.

[Big Cat]

She. Getting there.

[Hank]

Pulled it out.

[Zach]

Point.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

And she wasn't talking either. Like, she was. There was silent. There was a silent kind of. It was just like.

[Big Cat]

It was like, she didn't give you, like a. This never happens to me.

[Memes]

No.

[Hank]

And she wasn't. Yeah, she was like, this should have been quicker, but I just can't do it.

[Memes]

And were you like, can you tell me?

[Hank]

Is it. And I was like, don't worry. I got time. Like, I can. I can wait. But it was. It was awkward. And then eventually the dentist had to come over and just do it.

[Memes]

Oh, so somebody else had to.

[Hank]

Yeah, she finished the job.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Memes]

The dentist was a woman.

[Big Cat]

Tennis was a woman, and so was the other dentist.

[Hank]

Yep. Assistant.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

But, yeah, it just. I mean, it's not like, breaking news. The dentist sucks.

[Big Cat]

Sucks.

[Hank]

It was just. It was just a. It was just. It was a bad experience.

[Big Cat]

This is one of my ideas that we got to put dentists on. On airplanes. So you just kill two birds, one stone. It's like, hey, I have to go somewhere. I'm going to be trapped in an airplane. Let me just do the dentist stuff now.

[Memes]

What do you think about just a dentist where they knock you out? I'm down for that. If they treat it like surgery. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I actually just don't think they do that. Unfortunately, they might.

[Hank]

I actually. I still have to go back. I just. It was my left side. I still have stuff to do on

[Big Cat]

my right side, and you can ask.

[Hank]

And they were like, there's. There's something you can do to get taken out. She also said I was, like, the bravest, strongest boy she's ever had.

[Big Cat]

Wow. She doesn't say that. That's awesome. No chance.

[Hank]

She says to everyone, like, wow, you're so brave.

[Big Cat]

She give you a lollipop after a sticker? Did you look at the. Did you look at the fish in the tank on the. In the lobby?

[Memes]

You're the bravest boy we've had.

[Big Cat]

Oh, he gets a sheriff's bag.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Dentist sucks. Dennis sucks.

[Memes]

It does.

[Big Cat]

I'm happy you got the spiders figured out.

[Memes]

Thoughts and prayers.

[Hank]

We'll see. I'm not. I'm not speaking too soon. It's not. It's not spider season yet. Gotta wait for the warm when you.

[Big Cat]

You, like.

[Hank]

I don't know where they are, but they're not.

[Big Cat]

You got to get to where they're at.

[Hank]

It'll probably be, like, when we come back from Arizona. And then, like, once it's like, you know, a. A week or so of warm weather.

[Big Cat]

But I'm saying, you got to go bomb their house. You got to get them. Like, they got ayatollah. Yeah.

[Hank]

No, the problem is there's just parts. There's parts that I can't access. I've talked about this before. You need to bump way too much.

[Memes]

There's cracks that you can't get to.

[Hank]

No, there's just. Yeah, there's like, I have a balcony where I can. I can just secure the perimeter, but then there's, like, a window in my bedroom that I can't get to the outside, and I can just see them.

[Memes]

I've got an idea. Can you look up, like, what spiders love to build their nests in? Well, the craziest thing you can create,

[Hank]

like, they fly from across the lake. They fly from. Indiana spiders fly across the lake.

[Memes]

You got some Indiana spiders that land on your balcony?

[Hank]

Yes, look, I've looked it up. It's a thing. Yes.

[Big Cat]

From across the list.

[Memes]

One of those things I want to make. That's why there's so many spiders.

[Hank]

Lake. It's a cross.

[Big Cat]

The lake wouldn't be Indiana, but. Yeah, like Michigan. They're flying from Michigan.

[Memes]

It could be Indiana a little bit,

[Big Cat]

but that's not more. That's not a cross.

[Memes]

I mean, we got, we got bears moving to Indiana. We could have spiders moving back.

[Hank]

That's. That's why. Cuz I'm like, why the. Are there so many spiders? And it's common all across.

[Big Cat]

Like, what are these spiders called?

[Hank]

I'm not sure.

[Big Cat]

Flying spiders.

[Memes]

I'm just googling spiders flying across. Across Lake Michigan.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

The balloon spider.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's what. Oh, balloon spider.

[Memes]

They might balloon fly.

[Big Cat]

Do balloon spiders fly? Spiders use silk to catch prey. Fly. By a process called ballooning. Young spiders usually balloon chiefly to disperse after hatching.

[Roger Bennett]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

Never knew that, Hank.

[Hank]

Yeah. So it's not out because it's not scary. It's all, it's all buildings, like within proximity to the lake because.

[Memes]

So they're like little drones. Yes.

[Big Cat]

You're getting drone strikes.

[Hank]

Yes, yes. So yeah, the, the, you know, there's always. There's always a threat. Like, it's not. The war's never over.

[Memes]

The second you let your guard down is the second they come back.

[Hank]

Yeah. And you just have to have a, you know, spot where when they land, it's like the. They don't want to land on. So they go to someone else.

[Memes]

Stay vigilant.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

All right. Pfd. You're a fire fest.

[Memes]

I had a pretty good week. Really good week, actually. But I made one big mistake yesterday, which was I. I was a little bit hungry at work and I went to the closet, our snack closet, which is wonderful. I'm glad that we are lucky enough to work in an office where we have ample snacks. And I'm trying to eat a healthy snack this time. And so I'm looking to see what we have. And I ate one of the. One of the birthday cake flavored protein bars yesterday in the afternoon. And I've never farted as much in my entire life in the 18 hours since I ate that thing. As I have. As I have now.

[Hank]

What else did you eat?

[Memes]

I had a meatball soup for dinner last night.

[Big Cat]

That could be.

[Memes]

I'd say that's turkey meatball soup.

[Big Cat]

Suspect number one.

[Memes]

You think turkey meatball soup. I eat soup almost every day. If anyone has a gut that can.

[Big Cat]

Meatball soup sounds like a fart.

[Memes]

But there was no.

[Big Cat]

It's a fart factory. It's eating a fart.

[Memes]

It's protein.

[Big Cat]

I understand. But meatball soup.

[Hank]

No, the protein bar is protein.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's true. That's a. That's a fair point. But this is like, listen, turkey meatballs.

[Max]

Turkey meatballs are good.

[Memes]

They won't make you fart.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no, listen, meatball soup is delicious. I'm not saying against meatballs. If I eat meatball soup, I'm expecting to fart.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Memes]

Put your money where your mouth is.

[Roger Bennett]

Eat.

[Memes]

Eat two of these protein bars and then you tell me if you fart.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, I gotta eat the meatball soup first.

[Memes]

You had it?

[Max]

Yeah, I had this exact thing.

[Memes]

Did you fart a lot?

[Hank]

I think he said he had meatball soup too.

[Max]

No, I didn't have meatball soup, but I did have one of the, one of the protein bars, yeah.

[Memes]

Did you fart more than normal?

[Max]

I, I don't, I don't think so.

[Big Cat]

We also went to 13 fast food restaurants on Tuesday night.

[Memes]

That is true.

[Big Cat]

I've, I've also had the only one in puke.

[Memes]

I've had like a protein cookie before that's made me fart a bunch. But I, I'm telling you, like, there was a, a point in the middle of the night last night when I woke up in bed and I farted pretty much non stop for about two minutes.

[Big Cat]

I want the meatball soup. Meatball soup.

[Memes]

It was so good.

[Big Cat]

I want the meatball soup. Looks good. I'd like to try the meatball soup to see, See if it, it.

[Hank]

I think we should order something.

[Memes]

Yeah, you want to get some meatball soup?

[Big Cat]

Can you get us some?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

All right.

[Memes]

And we'll monitor the situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I would like to see if

[Memes]

that makes me listen, it was not the meat, I'm telling you. It was this protein bar.

[Hank]

We'll eat the meatball soup.

[Memes]

You eat the protein bar.

[Big Cat]

The protein bar.

[Memes]

I'm telling you, like, there was about, Honestly, about a 10 hour stretch where I didn't go longer than 30 seconds without farting.

[Big Cat]

I want the most.

[Memes]

It was the craziest thing I've ever.

[Hank]

Like smelly ones or just like, no toots?

[Memes]

No, just like it was constant tooting last night.

[Big Cat]

The meatball soup is, is the Tim Robinson hot dog. It's like we're all trying to find the guy who did.

[Memes]

It's not the meat. You guys are fixated on the meatball soup. I think it's, that's a pretty standard, healthy dinner.

[Big Cat]

I, I.

[Memes]

Turkey meat.

[Hank]

I'm on p. That's say meatball anything and pax. Like I'm. Turkey.

[Max]

Meatballs are.

[Big Cat]

This is not Max. Can't be Max. We're saying you have to recuse yourself.

[Hank]

Turkey.

[Big Cat]

We say meatball poison. You're like, I'll try it.

[Max]

Meatball.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Max]

Meatball soup.

[Memes]

Good Meatball soup.

[Big Cat]

I like meatball soup. I'm not knocking meatball soup. I'm just saying I. I would most likely fart if I had meatball soup.

[Memes]

If you fart when you have meatball soup, then you fart when you have anything. We're talking. I have chicken broth, turkey meatballs. There was cauliflower gnocchi from Trader Joe's. That was in there.

[Max]

Those are good.

[Memes]

Really good. There was no

[Max]

fart.

[Memes]

Cauliflower gnocchi.

[Hank]

Fart. Sounds like a fart.

[Memes]

Does cauliflower make you fart?

[Hank]

Noki does.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Cauliflower is well known to cause gas and farting in many people.

[Memes]

Okay. Could have been the cauliflower. Could have been the cauliflower.

[Big Cat]

As a. As a crucif Cruise. Cruise. Cruciferous vegetable. It contains high amounts of fiber and a complex sugar called raffinose, which the body struggles to digest, leading to a fermentation in the gut. Gut. It also contains sulfur compounds that can produce.

[Max]

I think if you asked. If you asked.

[Big Cat]

Everything makes you fart.

[Max]

Yeah, everything makes you fart.

[Roger Bennett]

Look up.

[Memes]

Do protein bars make you fart? Because I guarantee you that's a yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, everything makes you fart. But

[Memes]

yes, protein bars frequently cause gas, bloating, flatulence, sugar, alcohol is in there.

[Max]

This is what's a random. I think everything makes you. I think if we ask.

[Hank]

Foods don't make you fart.

[Memes]

Yeah, good question.

[Max]

Someone throw food out there.

[Big Cat]

Carrots, celery, chicken, fish, eggs.

[Hank]

But that's cap. Eggs make me fart the worst when

[Big Cat]

they smell like a fart.

[Memes]

Yeah,

[Big Cat]

but that was a little less. That's a worded.

[Hank]

A little less than the other quinoa.

[Memes]

It turns out that just life makes you fart.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Roger Bennett]

All right.

[Max]

Rice doesn't generally. Does not cause gas. So rice no farts.

[Memes]

It's like what you feed your dog when they have an upset stomach. Yeah, like boiled rice and pumpkin.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And just like boiled beef.

[Big Cat]

Are you getting the meatball soup, Hank? I gotta.

[Hank]

We gotta get the name of the place once the show ends.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I thought you made it.

[Roger Bennett]

Pft.

[Big Cat]

We're gonna.

[Hank]

Oh, you made it.

[Memes]

I made homemade turkey meatball soup.

[Big Cat]

All right. Can we just order some meatball soup, though?

[Memes]

I got leftovers.

[Big Cat]

I just like to order some meatball soup.

[Hank]

I'll get you one.

[Memes]

Now that we're talking about it, I can drive to my house and pick up the meatball soup and we can experiment.

[Big Cat]

I guess we could experiment.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

But also order some backup just in case.

[Hank]

Why only 15 needs to drive home.

[Memes]

We have to have the same meatball soup. If we're. If we're honestly making a backup.

[Big Cat]

If we. If you don't have enough meatball soup

[Memes]

for all of us, there's a lot of meatball soup.

[Hank]

All right, so we're good.

[Big Cat]

Okay. You're gonna go get it.

[Memes]

I'll go get it.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Memes]

Sit in a room with a microphone

[Big Cat]

and Zach will eat the protein bar.

[Zach]

Yeah, I'm in for birthday cake all day.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Zach eats a protein bar. We eat to meatball soup. The. My fire fest. I have two. One first broken bone in my house for my kids. My. My son broke his wrist, which I. I. Were you guys bone break kids? I was big time. Broke my bones all the time.

[Memes]

You mean like. Like I broke elementary school?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like, I broke. I broke my wrist multiple times. Broke my ankle full.

[Max]

Never broke a bone before. Nope. Before last year when I got drunk and you know.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah, you broke your foot.

[Hank]

I broke my arm. I broke my arm like three times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

In the course of like two years.

[Big Cat]

So I told him.

[Hank]

I was like, that's how my ambidextrousness started.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I broke my leg in second grade.

[Roger Bennett]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I. So, like, he was obviously nervous because he's like, I, you know, for a little six year old, you're just like, this sucks. I broke my arm. I was just like, look, dude, I broke my arm a ton when I was a kid and look how rich I. I am. And he was just like, what?

[Memes]

It's a good point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But no, it was.

[Roger Bennett]

It.

[Big Cat]

I. It. It quickly went from this sucks to you forget that a broken bone in elementary school is the biggest news possible. Like, the whole school is like, can we see his cast?

[Memes]

It's kind of a flex.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

He.

[Big Cat]

He's loving the attention. He's just like, this is awesome. We got. He's. He's got the cast. He's. They also. Did you notice they make waterproof cast now that have to get wet.

[Memes]

Oh, so you don't even. You don't even have to give up the pool in the summertime. Nothing that rocks.

[Big Cat]

He. It actually is bad if he doesn't get it wet every day.

[Memes]

That rock.

[Big Cat]

Isn't that insane?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It'll come a long way with cast.

[Memes]

Worst part by far of breaking your leg or your ankle or your foot is trying to figure out how to take a bath or a shower.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Because it's impossible.

[Hank]

And it just smelled. I remember it smelling so bad when you take it off like you. It would eventually, like, we just put, like, a garbage bag over my cast and, like, shower. It definitely was. It was still getting wet.

[Memes]

Yes, you should have the doctor, like, when he. Is he going to get surgery? No, you should have the doctor do a surgery and be like, tighten up the ligaments so he can throw fast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. It was also his offhand. He's a lefty, so he broke his right wrist. So that's. That's not bad. And kids heal so fast. It's insane. Like, if I broke my wrist right now, I'd be out for months.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's also a good time to break out. Like, way better than the summer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I told him that. I was like, you're gonna be in a cast for a month. You'll be fine.

[Memes]

Honestly. Makes the second half of the school year fly by. He's.

[Big Cat]

And he. Again, he is. He walked in with us. He walked in like he had the Vince McMahon walking into school today, where he was. Because he. He went from Monday he got, like, the temporary cast. Then Wednesday he got the. The hard cast, and he was like, check this thing out. So the other thing. My kids are in that age where they're, like, starting to learn about death and everything, and it's, you know, a lot of questions about death.

[Roger Bennett]

Death.

[Big Cat]

And we were in the car the other day, my whole family. So it was me, my wife, and my three kids in the back seat. And my. My. I've talked about it a little bit before, but my wife's mother passed away a few years ago from als. Really sad. Please support ALS research. But either way, we were talking about it, and 1. And my son's like, hey, so your mom, when she died, how old was she?

[Hank]

My.

[Big Cat]

My. My wife was like, 67. And then my daughter just goes 67, right interface. And I was like, God damn.

[Max]

Damn it.

[Big Cat]

It was just the perfect timing. Couldn't help but laugh. Yeah, the six seven of your dead mom is. Is crazy.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Other. It's her grandmother.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And she's 67 to death.

[Memes]

It's. It's like the most possible inappropriate usage of it. But the fact that it was so funny, such an innocent place, makes it the fun.

[Big Cat]

Oh, we both cracked up very hard. And they were just like, why are you laughing? It's like, forget it. Don't worry about it, Zach.

[Zach]

My fair face. This week is. So we switched. We spent a significant amount of time in the golf simulator for the stream last week. It was me, Hank and Max. I've never been more frustrated at a day here since then. It was the most frustrated I've ever been. So I spent this last week, probably three different YouTube sessions just kind of googling, how do you swing a golf club? How does this work? There's got to be a way to do better than we did there, because I know similar golf is easier than regular golf. So I can't even imagine what those swings look like, like, in real life, irl. And I've come to the conclusion that, like, I know you got to be. Golf's an adult thing. To be an adult male, you need to be semi competent on the golf course. And I don't think I'm ever going to be able to do that. And it's never been more infuriating. I just think I'm. I'm cooked as an adult male. I don't think I'll ever have the opportunity to be a golfer.

[Max]

I've never seen Zach as angry as I saw him. And like, we, we. We took a little, little sidebar at one point and he looked at. Yeah, ice cream break. Like he, he was legitimately furious of, like, how poorly you were doing in the sim.

[Big Cat]

So, Zach, here's the positive spin zone. It's not like you joined a golf podcast.

[Zach]

That's true. But I feel like.

[Big Cat]

No, you did actually.

[Zach]

We frequent a lot of golf. That's the thing.

[Big Cat]

That's the thing. Podcast.

[Hank]

That's not true.

[Memes]

Zach. Have you thought about maybe Mayo socks just cures everything.

[Zach]

We put Mayo socks on the table people the other day via Twitter. Didn't reach what we needed for the, for the Mayo feet. I'll dip my feet into anything, probably to get like, it's the most emasculate. I felt. I felt small in the golf, so I've never felt that small.

[Memes]

You're not.

[Hank]

You're not small. And also the beauty golf is. You don't have to be. You don't have to be good at golf. You just have to be good at hanging. Like, if you can. If you can be an enjoyable, enjoyable hang while you golf poorly, it's still going to be a good experience.

[Big Cat]

No, you got to.

[Max]

As a bad golfer, you got.

[Big Cat]

You got to be not terrible.

[Max]

You got to be a little good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta be. Not every.

[Max]

Feel like a. When you're out there and everyone else

[Zach]

is moving down the course and you.

[Max]

I. That's why when I golf with my friends are good. I just don't even play half the holes because that's.

[Hank]

Yeah, this, that's that's fine.

[Max]

But like, it's not fun, but yeah,

[Memes]

you gotta, it depends on your attitude too. Nothing's worse if you suck and your energy vampire just.

[Max]

Yeah, you can't be an attitude. You can't be the guy. If you're the guy that sucks, you have to know that you're the guy that sucks.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't play half of my shots. Yeah, I just, I'm just like, I'm not going to get that.

[Memes]

Max. You don't have a great time when you hit the bad shots, but when you hit those sick drives, you're like, that was awesome.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And that's why I always say like, and I, I believe it more the more people I talk to that play golf at a high level. I genuinely think the sweet, the best golfer that you can be is like, if you shoot a 90, that is the most fun you can have golfing possible. Possibly because all the good shots feel amazing. The bad shots are just like, whatever, I suck. So who cares if you shoot a 90, that's the most fun. If you shoot in the 70s consistently, you're miserable when you play golf because you miss so many shots or anything that anything that's like borderline not a great shot you beat yourself up over.

[Hank]

Yeah. Like if you can shoot in the 70s and you shoot like an 81, you had a terrible day.

[Memes]

Terrible day. It'll ruin your week.

[Hank]

What's the fun in that?

[Memes]

But you shoot. If you usually shoot like a 95 and you shoot a 90, 90, you had the best time ever playing golf that day.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[Max]

I would just like to break it

[Hank]

because that's exactly where I'm at.

[Max]

Is already realistically break 50 on an, on a nine hole. Because I'm more of a nine hole guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're nine hole guys big time.

[Zach]

I don't know even know if you can get excited about the good shots when you're a bad golfer because you, you know.

[Max]

Oh, yes, you do.

[Zach]

You know, it was an accident.

[Hank]

What if I didn't do that every time?

[Memes]

No, you're like, that's the one that keeps you coming back.

[Zach]

You know it was an accident. Like, I'm not, I didn't really mean to do that.

[Big Cat]

No, you could get excited. Like, maybe this is like every time I hit a good shot on a golf course, I'm like, I have. I'm never hitting a bad shot again. Like, that's it. Something, something clicked.

[Max]

Like you figured it out.

[Big Cat]

Like, oh, I figured it out. Like I'm, I'm One step away from the pros.

[Zach]

The go. The YouTube searches went so poorly. My last search was like, how do you cheat in golf?

[Max]

The easiest sport to cheat.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Memes]

Actually, Zach, we should get. I meant to order that club a while ago. The one that's just. The one that you hold up to it and you press a button.

[Hank]

Ask. KD's been using it.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Cuz he's hurt. We got to get Cabo, and he just had one of those.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's got the. The. The one that shoots it.

[Memes]

Yeah, I'm gonna do it right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we'll get you one of those. Max, you have a fire fest from Tuesday night. So we did the Doug Doug Challenge. Second year in a row. Max and I did it. We went. Nine of us went to 13 restaurants and had to order the thing right before the order. The exact order. The person right before us was in the drive through, and it was doubled. Doubled. And we had so much food. Puked everywhere. How you feeling?

[Max]

Yeah, I am. My fire festival. About that is that I.

[Roger Bennett]

Surprise.

[Max]

I felt like, okay,

[Big Cat]

Like, I should have.

[Max]

I ate so much food, and I was like, I should feel worse. Worse than I did. Like, I ate so much food that night, and it hasn't really, like, I just miss. I just had a normal day yesterday.

[Big Cat]

I missed the camaraderie with the boys.

[Max]

It was fun.

[Big Cat]

It was fun. It's also, like, just moments that you'll never like. We got. We went to Taco Bell and we got discovery boxes, which are. They're. It's like two chalupas, a burrito, chips, and all this stuff. And I was. I ate the chalupas.

[Memes]

No problem.

[Big Cat]

I was struggling with the burrito because it wasn't. I didn't like, like it. And Max just looked at me. He's like, you're full. Give me that burrito. And he just took it off my hands like a fucking. Just. Just a great teammate.

[Memes]

I got this.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because I. He could see it in my face. Like, I don't like this burrito.

[Memes]

He ain't heavy.

[Big Cat]

He's my brother. Wet. Not. Wasn't good memes. Last one. Do you have fire Fest? No. My week was sick. You sure?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Nothing you tweeted Maybe a little. Didn't let anything settle a little bit.

[Memes]

Sound metal?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like, Lou Holt's dying. Oh, yeah, My bad, Lou.

[Memes]

All right, I. Hannah, I. I approved this. I approved the tweet.

[Big Cat]

Okay. What was the. What was the street for the people who missed it?

[Memes]

The tweet was Lou Holtz just passed away. And then memes tweeted the meme of. The guy stopped by my biggest hater's funeral, and he said, this is from Ryan Day. Yeah, Ryan Day, right now. Little quick.

[Big Cat]

Quick.

[Memes]

Little quick on the draw. It's probably like five seconds after he died. Yeah. But memes and I had a little discussion, and we just ran through a bunch of simulations about, like, you know how they have people that write obituaries that have them ready to go just in case people pass away?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, we did some. Some simulation drills on, like, celebrities that die. Memes quick, what do you tweet out about this guy? And he was doing really, really good. And then Hank came in, and Hank. Actually, Hank beat memes at the simulated obituary meme game.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you see what some of. Some of the obituaries, I think it was maybe Robert Redford, the obituary writer, had died 10 years prior, a long time ago.

[Memes]

Yeah, but this one was, I think. What do we simulate? Goodell, Like, Roger Goodell passes away. And then Hank chimes in immediately. He goes, NFL players right now. And it's all the soldiers reading the magazine that says, hitler dead. Just beasted on memes right in his face.

[Big Cat]

Good one out.

[Memes]

Memes them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Good show, boys. Numbers. Someone gonna get it.

[Roger Bennett]

8.

[Memes]

Go 2.

[Big Cat]

23.

[Memes]

I'll go 85.

[Roger Bennett]

56.

[Max]

I'm just reading these comments. A lot of the people. People in the comments are defending you. Be like, this shit's hilarious.

[Big Cat]

I didn't think it was that bad.

[Memes]

I also think that anybody. 86. He's kind of been dead for a couple.

[Big Cat]

I know. He said it wasn't that bad.

[Memes]

80 plus plus, like, you. You had a great run, right? I think jokes just let him fly.

[Big Cat]

23.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Lou would have loved that. All right, everyone say their number. Two for two sandwiches.

[Memes]

85.

[Big Cat]

Someone's got to get going on this machine.

[Memes]

56.

[Big Cat]

45. Anyone? Anyone? One more, one more, one more.

[Roger Bennett]

8.

[Big Cat]

One more. Same numbers. 23. This would break my heart if it was

[Roger Bennett]

first. You want to break your heart?

[Big Cat]

It was you first.

[Roger Bennett]

Who first?

[Big Cat]

82.

[Max]

82.

[Big Cat]

Oh, shade.

[Roger Bennett]

Shade.

[Big Cat]

Two sandwiches.

[Memes]

So close. Happy birthday.

[Big Cat]

Why does he keep saying you two sandwich.

[Memes]

Oh, Happy birthday to Kyle Trask. How about that? Happy birthday, Kyle Trask and Harriet Tubman and Shaq.

[Big Cat]

Love you guys.