NFL Week 12, Fastest 2 Minutes, Chiefs Survive, Cowboys Comeback, Bears 8-3, Jahmyr Gibbs vs Jameis + Who's Back Of The Week

Summary

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Pardon My Take — NFL Week 12 Recap: Fastest 2 Minutes, Chiefs Survive, Cowboys Comeback, Bears 8-3, Gibbs vs Jameis, Who’s Back of the Week

Podcast: Pardon My Take
Hosts: Big Cat, PFT Commenter (plus Memes, Hank, Max, and Zach)
Date: November 24, 2025
Episode Theme:
A raucous, joke-packed breakdown of all the biggest games and moments from NFL Week 12, timely debates over the legitimacy of contenders like the Chiefs, Bears, and Cowboys, and signature chaotic banter, memes, and listener stand-ins. Plus, a dose of college football and the customary “Who's Back of the Week” to round things off—PMT at its unfiltered best.

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Episode Overview / Main Themes

• Big Cat & PFT Commenter recap every NFL Week 12 game with comedic flair, bold takes, and detailed analysis.
• Discussion covers legendary comebacks (Cowboys), unexpected contenders (Bears 8-3), clutch performances (Chiefs), and disappointing teams (Vikings, Saints, Raiders).
• Signature Fastest 2 Minutes segment—satirical recaps with a blend of puns, crass humor, and rapid-fire stats.
• Deep dives into controversial calls, playoff implications, and the “fraud” debate about current frontrunners.
• Jameer Gibbs’ monster game and the Jameis Winston rollercoaster.
• Recurring bits (e.g., banter about Max’s emotional Eagles fandom, time zone confusion, and corgi races).
• End-of-show "Who's Back of The Week" segment and playful speculation about the college football landscape.
• The tone is classic PMT: irreverent, quick-witted, a touch self-deprecating, with inside jokes for devoted fans.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

The Fastest 2 Minutes [03:00–11:00]

• Big Cat and the crew deliver their trademark, high-energy “Fastest 2 Minutes,” lampooning every notable NFL game from the Bears “somehow” going 8-3 to the Packers’ dominant defense, and the Jaguars winning on “Pacific Time.”
• Memorable punchlines:
  • “Bears 31, Steelers 28. Bears have the internet saying—they can’t keep getting away with this.” [04:00]
  • “Packers 23, Vikings 6… Brett Favre’s most infamous pictures…” [05:12]
  • Corgi race at halftime gets as much attention as any touchdown.
• Excited references to individual stat-lines, wild finishes, and offbeat game notes (e.g., corgi photo finish, Jameis's absurd touchdowns).

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Chiefs vs. Colts: Survival, Fraud Watch & Mahomes’ Clutch Mode [12:55–23:25]

Analysis Highlights:

• Recap of Chiefs’ late comeback to beat the Colts 23–20 in overtime; Mahomes “turned back the clock” to deliver “classic Chiefs late-game magic.”
  • "Mahomes made some big plays in the second half, he had like 250 yards in the second half passing." —Big Cat [13:02]
  • "They were 0-5 in one-score games, this was the first." —PFT [13:52]
• Colts completely shut down in the 4th quarter and overtime (12 offensive plays, 0 first downs):
  • "Four drives in overtime and fourth quarter, zero first downs. I think a couple first downs you win this game." —Big Cat [18:36]
• Fraud debate: Are the Colts for real or “frauds”?
  • "If you’re not a fraud, this is a game you win." —Hank [18:25]
  • Nuanced debate over what makes a team a “fraud” (playoff viability, one-seed status, etc.)
• Chiefs’ defense gets major credit for preserving season; kicker Harrison Butker goes 5-for-5 (with on-air riffing about his “cause” cleats).
• Colts fans feel “this was the one that got away.”

Timestamps:

• [13:30] Chiefs late-game stats and Mahomes’ reversal of fortune
• [17:16] Chiefs dominate box score but barely squeak by
• [19:12] Debate: When does “comeback” deserve credit?
• [22:26] AFC South race and the suddenly alive Jaguars/Texans

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The NFC Plots: Gibbs Breaks Out, Jameis Goes Bonkers, Bears Roll (Sort Of) [24:54–54:00]

Lions 34, Giants 27 (OT): Gibbs vs. Jameis

• Jameer Gibbs erupts for 264 yards and 3 TDs:
  • "When he gets into open field, he makes NFL players look slow.” —Big Cat [25:53]
• Most “Jameis” game ever: 366 passing yards, wild deep heaves, one insane catch & run for a TD; celebration and team buy-in noted.
  • “Jameis should be a starting QB... he is so much fun and keeps guys engaged.” —PFT [28:38]
• Heated debate over which NFL teams would be better with Jameis as starter [29:11]
• Giants’ record fifth double-digit lead blown; Malik Nabers’ deleted tweet shows real frustration with Kafka playcalling [32:09]
• Praise for Mike Kafka “going for it” on 4th-and-6; loss still ultimately "good" for Big Blue’s draft odds.

Bears 31, Steelers 28 — Are the Bears For Real?

• Bears are 8-3, but skepticism abounds: "The Bears are a good team. Listen, there are some people who need to recognize that." —PFT [44:05]
• Defense features a “laundry list” of backup QBs faced; “sometimes the bounces just go your way.”
• Caleb Williams’ progress, Ben Johnson’s coaching, DJ Moore’s emergence.
• Bears fans revel in the improbable playoff chase, but acknowledge low point differential and “thin margins.”
  • “I’ll be very disappointed if the Bears don’t make the playoffs.” —Big Cat [44:46]
• Max’s Eagles perspective: Black Friday Bears–Eagles game looms large (with plenty of counter-jabs from PFT & crew).

Notable Moments/Quotes:

• [28:07] “That play was one of the greatest I’ve ever seen in my life”—Big Cat on Jameis’s circuitous receiving TD.
• [44:28] “There are some years where the bounces go your way; strap in and enjoy it.”
• [40:20–42:42] Extended riff on the Bears' soft schedule, backup QBs, and whether to apologize for improbable wins.

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Packers 23, Vikings 6: Do We Have a Nine Problem? [56:07–68:34]

• J.J. McCarthy’s struggles (four net second half yards, two picks, five sacks); broadcast zooms in on “mechanics.”
  • "He looks like he is in very deep water." —Big Cat [57:31]
• Vikings fans in “crisis” over McCarthy’s future and identity as the enigmatic “nine.”
• Blind résumé comparison: J.J.'s first six games vs. infamous NFL busts (e.g., JaMarcus Russell) [59:41–61:41]
• Packers defense gets its props; running game flourishes behind undrafted Emmanuel Wilson.
• Bittersweet “second-tier” feeling for both fan bases.

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Other Games & Headlines / Notable Segments

Cowboys’ Epic Comeback (Cowboys 24, Eagles 21) [102:45–122:48]

• Down 21-0 early, Dallas storms back alongside Dak’s best game of the year (“He’s kind of winning me over,” admits PFT [120:43]).
• George Pickens’ perfect 9-for-9; Quinn and Williams transforms defense.
• Max’s emotional breakdown of Eagles’ rushing woes and his postgame mood swings (“If we lose to the Raiders, then I quit. Everything.” [125:34])
• Slapstick aside about “Big Game Max” and what actually constitutes a big game.

AFC Quick Hits

• Patriots/Bengals: “Goal line offense” woes but otherwise solid, Drake May’s development, injury updates [71:58–84:00]
• Ravens/Jets: Lamar “stinky,” offense looks off, Baltimore atop AFC North amid doubts [94:41–100:18]
• Seahawks 30, Titans 24: JSN’s historic pace, Titans’ mystery WRs, and the committee-backfield trolling fantasy managers [86:39–91:16]
• Browns 24, Raiders 10: Shedeur’s confidence, Myles Garrett’s MVP-level sack pace [127:17–133:41]
  • “If he ends the season with 25 sacks, he should be MVP.” —PFT [129:06]

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College Football + Miscellaneous (Who’s Back of the Week) [173:09–End]

• Who’s Back of the Week: Rivalry week, Jack Hughes dinners, rabbit-murdering dogs, Optic Texas (eSports snuck in via Zach), Wisconsin football field storming, Tate McCrae discourse.
• College football playoff picture/Egg Bowl/Lane Kiffin watch—speculation on where he’ll land.
• Running gags:
  • Time zone confusion for Jaguars/Cardinals, [144:06–148:18].
  • Max’s sleep schedule and “big game” credibility.
  • Zach’s gaming “shift report.”
  • Corgi race protests: “That call was basically Patrick Mahomes gets what he wants.” —PFT [37:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:00–11:00] Fastest 2 Minutes
• [12:55–23:35] Chiefs-Colts OT, Fraud Watch, AFC South race
• [24:54–38:10] Lions-Giants OT Gibbs/Jameis, Giants’ heartbreak
• [39:55–54:00] Bears go 8-3, legitimacy, fan vibes
• [56:07–68:33] Packers-Vikings, McCarthy/“Nine” discourse
• [71:58–84:00] AFC North/Bengals-Patriots/Ravens-Jets
• [86:39–91:16] Seahawks, Titans, and ridiculous WR games
• [102:45–122:48] Cowboys 24, Eagles 21—Max’s emotional arc, Dak’s redemption
• [127:17–133:41] Browns, Garrett for MVP, Shedeur bravado
• [173:09–End] Who’s Back of the Week, CFB, closing banter

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Memorable Quotes

• "Jameis Winston should be a starting quarterback in the NFL…He is so much fun and keeps people engaged.” —PFT Commenter [28:38]
• “The Bears are a good team. Listen, there are some people who need to recognize that.” —PFT Commenter [44:05]
• "When he gets into open field, he makes NFL players look slow.” —Big Cat, on Jameer Gibbs [25:53]
• "If you’re not a fraud, this is a game you win.” —Hank (on the Colts) [18:25]
• “He’s kind of winning me over this year. I'm starting to feel bad about hating Dak.” —PFT [120:43]
• "It’s a combination of the Bears always being bad… and then kind of not wanting to believe that it could be real.” —Big Cat [45:01]
• "If you look at the records, we have the most wins on the podcast. We also have the least amount of losses.” —Hank (re: the Patriots being “the best”)
• “If Myles Garrett gets 25 sacks, he should be MVP.” —PFT [129:06]

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Signature PMT Moments

• Corgi Race Controversy: Photo finish at the Lions game, the corgi “scandal” debated with as much gusto as NFL officiating [34:34–37:00]
• Time Zone Meltdown: Multiple hosts, led by Max and Hank, fall into spiraling confusion over Arizona's daylight savings, mountain vs. pacific time [144:06–148:18]
• Max’s Emotional Journey: From first quarter glee to postgame despair after Eagles’ collapse, to “big game Max” status questioned [102:45–125:01]
• Who's Back of the Week: Jack Hughes’ dinner dates, eSports teams, dead rabbits, and existential college football
• Callback Chaos: Ongoing ribbing about the “9” identity (J.J. McCarthy), “gotcha” moments, and the “soft benching” of Minnesota's QB.
• Wild “What-If?” Games: Debating hypothetical Patriots–Cowboys lines, playoff scenarios, and Max “quitting everything” if the Eagles lose to the Raiders.

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Overall Tone

• Uncensored, sharp, and filled with in-jokes for long-time fans
• Goofy digressions (song parodies, spelling gaffs, mascot antics)
• Direct, “bar talk” style mix of sports analysis and random asides
• Tons of ribbing, especially directed at Max (Eagles), Hank (Patriots), and each other

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In Sum

This Week 12 PMT packs in all the core ingredients: wild recaps, zany stats, irreverent takes, and a community of rotating contributors riffing on everything from Jameis-to-Jameer to corgi race scandals and the legitimacy of various playoff hopefuls. The podcast dances between on-field narratives and comic detours, making it a must-listen for fans who want both the pulse of the NFL and the pulse of PMT’s endlessly weird football universe.

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For further details, see timestamps above for key games and moments.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Hank]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

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[Big Cat]

Who Obama What In Chicago where the day started with Mr. Rogers neighborhood being not so welcoming as he flipped the bird to cameraman and belongs in jail. Mason Ramsey Rudolph was forced to play his place and went balls to the wall mark as he tried to capture a Steelers win. Ooh what you say that it's all for the sack as TJ derules all the Watts passing his brother JJ for career sacks with 115 down there three starting linebackers, it was Demarco Samuel Jackson who told Dennis Allen hold on to your butts doing just enough to stop the Steelers DJ More more more. How do you like it? How do you like it? More more more how do you like it? How do you like it? Scored twice on Sunday and the 8 and 3 Bears have an entire Internet saying they can't keep getting away with this. Bears 31, Steelers 28.

[Memes]

We go to Lambeau Field as Kevin Ocasio Cortez and the Minnesocialist Vikings look to overcome JJ McCarthyism and leave their marks on the community owned Packers. Belichick wasn't the only coach thinking about Jordan Love all this week as Matt LaFleur did some cheerleading of his own trying to get his QB back in a winning mindset. Josh Acups showed up flat and was being a little boob about it so Emmanuel Woodrow Wilson got the call to give his 14 points scoring two touchdowns. The packers kept running the ball and trusting our defense as Micah Arsons was fired up dialing nine one on one and getting the national championship winning QB Justin Jefferson. Starship was looking back at the cute two QBs singing Wouldn't I like somebody to love Don't I need somebody like love? Wouldn't I love somebody like love? I better find somebody like love but him and the white rabbit Adam Thielen better find the pills that Brett Favre used to take the that makes them not feel anything at all as this season is starting to look just a tiny little bit out of hand, which is also an accurate description of Brett Favre's most infamous pictures. The Packers 23, the Vikings 6 talking croc shots talking about his penis.

[Big Cat]

You're talking crotch shots when he said.

[Memes]

His penis to a woman.

[Big Cat]

Hey now we go to Baltimore where Memes was there to watch his Jets.

[E]

We head to Baltimore where Lamar Samuel Jackson is tired of these motherfucking injuries to his motherfucking legs as the Ravens offensive struggles continued, Tyrod Tiana Taylor said you're gonna love me as he found John It's Brittany Metsch and watch me whip. Now watch me add a nae nae. Mitchell, who have both been upgrades to the jets passing game Ha z Flowers was the only one able to catch the ball while Derrick Henry Lockwood said I'm a dog toy. They're on sale this Friday in the barstool store limited amount while scoring two touchdowns. The jets touchdown in the first half made the Ravens defense and Rich Homie Roquan Smith feel some type of way as Marlon Waynes Humphrey said run run as he tracked Breeze hall down to force the fumble to ice a game. Ravens 23, Jets 10 thanks memes over.

[Big Cat]

To Cincinnati where Hank was there over.

[Hank]

To Cincinnati where in the first quarter it looked like Geno Sorceress Stone was wearing the invisibility cloak because Draco Malfoy May didn't see him on an interception over the middle and he could go off the way to give for seven to give the Bengals a 100 lead. Hunter Henry Wrinkler responded, hey, I don't want to see where I've been. I want to see how cool I look. Getting there as he scabered in for a 28 yard touchdown of his own. Joe Wacko was looking the part in the second corner when he was picked off by Marcus Aurelius Jones who asked the crowd, are you not entertained? After taking it back 33 yards to the house? Mitchell Tinsel e tried to use the holiday spirit to kick a fourth quarter come back into gear, but Mike Vrabel.

[Memes]

Was the Grinch and the Patriots win 26 20.

[Big Cat]

Thanks Hank in Kansas City, where they say football is a game about the Jimmies and Johns as the Colts look to hunt down the big game Chiefs and put a pelt on the wall. But the hunted became the hunter as Kareem ripped off 104 yards and a score in a thriller. Colts fans are singing Pass me a bottle Mr. Jones. Help me believe in anything like can we get a first down when we want to win the game? Because if we can't, it's going to be a long December. The Chiefs season started in South America, but it was a Brazilian bunker lift that the team needed to keep their playoff hopes alive as he went 5 for 5 and the Chiefs stay alive. Chiefs 23, Colts 20 we go to.

[Memes]

Glendale, Arizona where the West Coast Jaguars look to make it 30 on the Pacific time zone this season.

[Big Cat]

Huh huh huh.

[Memes]

The Jaguars running on the Pacific time zone. Things looked ugly early with some bad turnovers as Walter Colin the Turd had touchdown number two of the day and pushed his little balloon knot into the end zone. And just as these Cardiac cats have been riding the lightning over their past couple games, Liam Talcohen said, take my hand. We're off to Trevor Trevor Land. Oh yeah, they got the win and nothing else matters. It was the Arizona Cardinals running backs who looked more like the star of the one music video. Unable to see or walk as Bam Night Night looked half asleep. The Jags overcome all the turnovers to force overtime where Cam Little Boy unleashed a small nuke, becoming the hero Shima of the day. Jacoby Brissette didn't look that great, but just imagine how how much worse it would have been with Kyler Murray who might have to sign with a minor league contract this offseason with tell you all Bush Gaming Jags 27, cards 24.

[Big Cat]

We go to Dallas where these two teams don't like each other Max.

[Max]

We head over to Dallas where AJ Milley Bobby Brown was looking supernatural early as 11 went for six to start off the scoring for the Eagles. But things started looking stranger when his target started to diminish after the first quarter. Luke Saquon Barkley and the Eagles offensive line were sleepwalking through this game as they continue to disappoint their team. George Lucas Pickens may be in a galaxy far, far, far away from the rest of the receivers in the league as he absolutely torched the Eagles secondary all game. Xavier Gibson's guitar should be turning. Should be returning less balls for the Eagles since he absolutely fucking blows. Eagles lose. Who cares?

[Big Cat]

And finishing Sunday Night Football with another blond Zach in Inglewood.

[Zach]

Matthew's staffilicious definitions make them boys go loco. They want his treasure, so they get.

[Big Cat]

Their pleasures from his photos.

[Zach]

Passes Tavonte Adam Sandler from one yard out.

[Big Cat]

All right then the great British Baker.

[Zach]

Mayfield off throws a pass intended for Cade Otten.

[Big Cat]

Is it cake? Nope, it's a pick six.

[Zach]

But wait, Baked Goods Mayfield drops his croissant into the end zone to Tez Magic Johnson. Bucs fans all over should be happy with Tez Johnson because the Bucs have.

[Big Cat]

A really good player in Tez Johnson.

[Zach]

Lastly, Harrison Ford Meves helped the Rams win, but in no way at all.

[Big Cat]

Was he their only hope.

[Zach]

With a 40 yard field goal straight through the uprights. Los Angeles win.

[Big Cat]

Tampa Bay loss. Standing on the corner, Jameis Winston and Hoboken. Such a fine sight to see a 10 point lead.

[PFT Commenter]

My Lord, that's not enough scores for.

[Big Cat]

New York to get a victory.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on, Kafka. Another laugher. Fans want to hang Shane Bowen from.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

You remember that stat that we talked about on Friday's show where it was the Chiefs when it was within the last five minutes of regulation when the score was one point.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, today Patrick Holmes turned all that around. He was five for eight in those situations for 79 yards.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So he ended up finding Rasheed Rice. He ended up finding Xavier Worthy. He beats the Colts for the first time in the regular season.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

He was collecting all of them.

[Big Cat]

It was, it was finally the Chiefs doing what they la all last year. They went 11 and 0 and 1 score games. This was their first win in a one score game. This year they were 0 and 5 going into this game. They needed this win so, so badly. And it was, it felt like the old Chiefs in the fact that Mahomes with the ball late. Oh, he'll find a way. And they did.

[PFT Commenter]

And then the Colts on the other hand, when they had the ball the last three, three drives of the game for Daniel Jones of the Colts, Danny Dimes was 3 for 12 last four.

[Big Cat]

Drives they punted on the last no first downs.

[PFT Commenter]

On the last three. He went 3 for 12 for 29 yards. That was his final 15 attempts. He had four straight three and outs and Indy got six yards on nine plays in that span.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was, it was more the Chiefs defense giving the Chiefs a chance to be in this position because they not only did that in the fourth quarter in the overtime where they completely shut down the Colts offense, but they also had some huge red zone stops where they forced the Colts to kick field goals. And it was like if you're a Colts fan, you're just sitting there saying this is a game you should have won. You could have won. You had it in front of you even had it with the ball up 20 to 17 at the 50 yard line with 549 left. That's two, you know, that's two first downs there and you're. And you're kicking a field goal to go up six. They weren't able to do it. They couldn't put the Chiefs away. And the Chiefs are all the way back. Not all the way back because they still have, I mean they're playing a tough cowboys.

[PFT Commenter]

They've got like the smallest margin for error ever.

[Big Cat]

But this would put them out.

[PFT Commenter]

This would have put them out. But they've got daylight. That's what the Chiefs are. The Chiefs, they, they have daylight. And it helps when you have a running game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like Kareem Hunt had a great game today.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And that makes things a lot easier for the Chiefs because. Yeah, I don't think they have the firepower that they've had in Years past. But if you're able to effectively run the football, then yeah, Patrick, mom's going to win you a lot of games. They didn't lead. The Chiefs never led today. No, they just kicked a field goal to win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they kicked the field goal in overtime after the Colts had a possession and didn't gain a first down. But yeah, the Chiefs, if you look at their schedule, they had to probably win six out of seven down the stretch. Now they only have to win five out of six. That probably feels a little bit better.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is doable because if you had.

[Big Cat]

Lost this one, you have to win six out of six.

[PFT Commenter]

And Harrison Bucker had a great game today. Five for five. I did notice. It's my cause, my cleats this week. Yeah, he did not wear the anti human trafficking cleats that he wore last year. Okay, so we. Is he now pro human trafficking?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Somebody should ask him what was his cause this time. I don't know but I just know it wasn't the. I just stopped reading when I saw that it wasn't the anti human traffic. So I was like, what's up with that? Yeah, once you put those on you can't really change it. But yeah, the last several games of the year, here's what the Chiefs have. They can lose one of these games. Cowboys, Texans, Chargers at Titans, Broncos at Raiders. That's what they're looking at.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they have three games that they should conceivably win pretty easily and then they have a lot of games that are going to be tough.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that they can. I think they can and they will.

[Big Cat]

Hank, you're rooting for the Colts.

[Hank]

No, I mean I bet the Chiefs in the, in our, on our picks. They were never going to lose that game. They should have lost that game. It felt like a lose a loss the whole time.

[Big Cat]

But, but they kind of, they actually kind of dominated the game. If you're frauds are. Here we go. Okay, get say we chess. They.

[Hank]

That was their game to lose and they choked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well they, the Chiefs, they lost it like six times.

[Hank]

They just seem to get a, a.

[Big Cat]

Field goal, a score, a long drive. Yeah.

[Hank]

Nothing.

[Big Cat]

They weren't able to get any, any yards going. Memes telling you to drink water. He sounds like you got a frog in your throat. That's okay. The, the, the Chiefs did kind of dominate the game. On the stat sheet they had 494 yards to 255, 33 first downs to 10 for the Colts. But obviously you had the pick six at the beginning of the game for Mahomes. The Colts had a couple big chunk plays early on, but yeah, this was. The Colts could not move the ball. This offense has been electric and it was not today. And it's a lot of credit to the Chiefs defense that bowed up. Also some credit to the refs. I don't know. I just like to throw that out there. So people get mad that the Colts got. Defense got called for seven flags. Chiefs defense got zero.

[PFT Commenter]

They. They also. They had that touchdown that was taken off the board though, right?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

On the ear hole face mask thing that they're calling now. But yeah, Hank, there were a couple.

[Big Cat]

Classic like Chiefs plays where it was like, oh, no, the Chiefs are fucked. Oh, there's a flag.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Hank, what would you say?

[Memes]

Why.

[PFT Commenter]

Why are you using the F word in regards to the Colts? Let's dive into this. Are the Colts frauds?

[Hank]

If you're not a fraud, this is a game you win.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Or fiction.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They were up 20 to 9 in the fourth quarter. They should have won that game.

[PFT Commenter]

If you're.

[Big Cat]

They just needed to get first downs. They didn't. Again, it's crazy. Four drives in overtime in fourth quarter, zero first downs. I think it's a couple first downs. You win this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's more like all frauds would lose this game, but most teams that aren't frauds would win it.

[Hank]

Daniel Jones not a playoff quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Are they frauds? But they also got a big lead against a desperate team in Arrowhead. That makes them not frauds. I guess they went up 20 to nine.

[PFT Commenter]

We had that caller that said we should stop giving people credit for comebacks.

[Big Cat]

It's true. You got down. I just got down.

[Hank]

This is. It's regular season's fun. It's fun to win games in the regular season, get all hyped. But it's like the playoffs are the only thing that matters. And the Colts are not a team that I would have any confidence in the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Mahomes got bailed out by his kicker.

[Hank]

Yeah, but Mahomes, as much as I don't like him, he.

[Big Cat]

They win these games and he did have 350 yards.

[Hank]

He finds a way to win.

[Big Cat]

And it was really the Chiefs defense, though. They. They shut down the Colts. I mean, they, they. Daniel Jones didn't attempt to pass over 20 yards downfield. The Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, here it is. It's on the screen right now. 18 total yards in fourth quarter in overtime for the Colts. Jonathan Taylor was Shut down. They were tacked. I felt like multiple times they were tackling behind the line of scrimmage. And Shane Steichen is now. Is it too early for Shane side because The Colts are 8 and 3. They. I think they're still a good team. I don't know. Frauds would be, you're saying, a counteract to people saying the Colts are for real, like, could go on a deep run. That's what you're saying. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You're saying that Colts do not have a chance to win the Super Bowl.

[Hank]

Not a chance.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Zero chance off the board.

[Big Cat]

Shane Steichen is, is taking blame for this. He said we, we got to do a better job. I got to be better for the guys. I mean, you are eight and three, but you still got to be better for the guys. There was a. There was. That wasn't his quote. That part. There was. He said there was a lot of stuff that I wanted to get called that I felt good about in the past game, and we just weren't efficient doing it. Feels like he left a lot on the. On the call sheet. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I wanted.

[PFT Commenter]

I wanted to call on the. Why didn't he.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Does that mean he doesn't trust his quarterback?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. That's something you throw out there.

[PFT Commenter]

If you say, like, I had a bunch of plays, I wanted to call him, but I. I wasn't able to call him. To me, that sounds like he's just thinking about those plays.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, if that's what he's saying to the. To the media after the game, he's just going to go to sleep tonight. He's like the. The opposite of Sean McFay. He's going to be thinking about all the plays he didn't call.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Some of the best plays I've ever called are the ones I didn't call.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Except the opposite.

[PFT Commenter]

Except they were bad because I didn't call them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I should have called.

[PFT Commenter]

And trust. And Danny Jones, you think he just had one.

[Big Cat]

He was looking at all game being like, this one's going to be sick and he just never got to it.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe he just doesn't have the balls for it.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I mean, maybe this is because they did again, they did a pretty good job of bottling up Jonathan Taylor, who has been absolutely killing teams. So maybe that's. Maybe that's what put them. Put him in a bad spot. Jonathan Taylor only had 58 yards, 3.6 yards per rush. Yeah. I really came away being like the Chiefs defense is what's. Because that's the recipe. You have Mahomes who can make big plays and the Chiefs defense showed that they can keep. Keep them in the game when things look a little clunky, which it did at times. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I wouldn't count the Colts as being frauds because I don't think. Has there any.

[Hank]

Yeah. Have you heard they own fraud watch.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know because I don't think.

[Big Cat]

Have you.

[PFT Commenter]

Have you heard anybody say, like I think the Colts are going to win the Super Bowl?

[Big Cat]

To be fraud, you have to be told that you're going to win the super bowl or be like the one seed. I guess they were going into today even though the Broncos were or no, the Colts were because they beat the Broncos. Yeah. I never really thought of them as winning the Super Bowl. So then I therefore don't think of them as frauds, if that makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what?

[Hank]

Since they were not looking at them at the top of the.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Since they were the 1 seed this week, I, I do give Hank permission to call them frauds.

[Big Cat]

That's fair.

[PFT Commenter]

Because they occupied that top spot like the Jags did a couple years ago. Remember that?

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

And they. We can say that they were frauds at that point.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They're fraudulent one. See, the Colts were fraudulent one seeds, but now I think they're no longer fraud. Yeah.

[Hank]

If they're three or four seed, that's.

[Big Cat]

That's. They're right where they should be. Now. The AFC south is. We. I said that stuff two weeks ago and it's, it's not a foregone conclusion. I think the Colts should conceivably still win it. But The Jags are 7 and 4. They're one game back. And the Texans are. Which we will talk about later, are looking absolutely unstoppable defensively. And the Jags and Colts play two games against each other down the stretch. So if the Jacks can somehow beat the Colts twice, which I'm not going to say they will because. Well, Trevor Lawrence is addicted to throwing interceptions.

[PFT Commenter]

He's hilarious.

[Big Cat]

He is addicted to throwing interceptions. But that is all ahead of them. The Jaguars have everything ahead of them where they can kind of control their own destiny down the stretch.

[PFT Commenter]

We. Yeah, we're going to. In two weeks from now, we're going to look at this and we'll know if the. If the Colts are going to be fraudulent or not fraudulent. Division win, division leaders.

[Big Cat]

It actually, Hank, you know what it comes down to is that if the Jaguars had just not blown that 19 point lead to the Texans, they would be sitting in a very different place right now because they would have had the season series against the Texans. Instead they split it and they would have been 8 and 3. That was a blown opportunity. Big time blown opportunity. Okay, Max, I know that you just watched the Eagles, Cowboys. I do want you to participate here and there. How are you feeling now that it's been like 10 minutes?

[Max]

Not great. This is too early to talk about the four o' clock games.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah, no, I'm not talking about the 4 o' clock games. I'm saying like other games. Will you be able to participate here and there? Are you just in a such a funk?

[Max]

I, I don't, I don't. I don't have anything to say about this game.

[Big Cat]

Right. You see what, you see the line of questioning though?

[Max]

I had the Chiefs. I'm happy, I'm happy the Chiefs won. That's about, that's about all I got.

[PFT Commenter]

You had the Chiefs?

[Max]

I bet on the Chiefs.

[PFT Commenter]

Did they cover?

[Max]

I. I had them live money line.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, nice.

[Big Cat]

Smart.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They were going to win this game. Hank was doing that thing where he just kept on saying they're going to win this game. Tune into the Yak case race on, on, on Wednesday because Hank just said over and over the Bills were going to win that game against the Texans. Over and over and over.

[PFT Commenter]

There was that flag at the very end. I hated that flag.

[Big Cat]

Kept on saying it. He's like, they're gonna win this game. They're gonna win this game. It's the Bills. It's the Bills. Putting on your heavy sarcasm. Okay, next game. Probably the most fun game. Absolutely the most Fun game. Lions 34, Giants 27. I want to start with Jameis, but I think that we can't just because Jameer Gibbs is so fucking good. And he had 219 yards rushing, 45 yards receiving, 264 total yards, three total touchdowns. He was their entire offense. On a day that the Lions were not at their best and were taken to the brink overtime against the 2 and 9 now 2 and 10 giants team. We said it a few weeks ago that he might be the best running back. And obviously there's people push back with Jonathan Taylor and this I think I'm fine with just saying Jameer gives the best running back because when he gets into open field, there's just no. He looks like he's. He's making other NFL players look slow.

[PFT Commenter]

He's so fast. And to do that on the very first play of overtime. Yeah, when both teams get a little bit of a break, the defense has caught their breath a little bit.

[Big Cat]

69 yards to the house.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, he's like, I'm just going to go out there and just be faster than everybody that you have on your team. It was, it was demoralizing for the Giants. Credit to the Giants for hanging in there. Not for hanging in there, for building a lead.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Like you can chalk this up under the, you know, most recent example of the Giants to blow a 10 point lead, which they've done five times this season. But to me it's more like first down. Yeah, it's Gibbs on first down, first down, first touchdown. But to me it's more like credit to the Giants for, for competing and then also credit to Jir Gibbs for just doing what we all expected Jir Gibbs to do, which is blow our minds. So I, I keep saying this and every week I keep getting more vindicated for the fact that Brian D. Should be court martial for starting Russell Wilson. It made no sense at the time. It makes even less sense now. Jamis Winston, he's at 20.3 yards per completion. That's what he had today against the, the Lions. That's the highest in the NFL all season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Jackson darts against the Broncos where he had 18.9 yards per completion was the second highest total in the NFL all season. Both guys that started the season behind Russell Wilson. The game was tied until the Giants sent Russell Wilson out to midfield.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

As the captain with his helmet on to call the coin toss. And from that point, everything fell apart.

[Big Cat]

But they did win the coin toss. Not everything fell apart, but they did win the coin.

[PFT Commenter]

At what cost?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they won the coin toss. He did do his. He did his job. I guess his job was to go out and win the coin toss. He won the coin toss. This was, though, the most Jameis Winston game possible. He was so electric. He was 18 for 36 for 366 yards, 13.6 air yards per attempt. So he's just slinging it. Two touchdowns, one interception, and then one catch. 33 yards and a touchdown, which was one of the greatest plays I've ever seen in my entire life. And I know that that sounds hyperbolic and I know we're very big Jameis fans. That play was dead 100 million times. James caught it, shook off the defender.

[PFT Commenter]

Little spin move was fucking awesome.

[Big Cat]

He is so much fun to watch. Like, at minimum, this should prove that Jameis Winston should be a Starting quarterback in the NFL. There are so many bad games that we watch and bad quarterback play that we watch. Jameis Winston is not. Yes, sometimes he throws interceptions. Yes. Sometimes he makes mistakes. He is so much fun and he takes shots. Also, by the way, shout out Jameis for one of the like best timed celebrations right into the camera after that.

[Memes]

Right in the camera.

[PFT Commenter]

And all his teammates getting up right next to him and doing the choreograph with him at the same time. James keeps his receivers happy too, because yes, in a season like this where things, you know, nothing's really going well for the New York Giants to have the team bought in and have fun. That's what you get when you have Jameis Winston on your team.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

You get a guy that keeps people engaged before the game. We're inside, but we're outside.

[Big Cat]

We're inside, but we're inside.

[PFT Commenter]

Amen. James said it. And I think, you know, this was a very entertaining game. I think the better team ended up winning.

[Big Cat]

How many teams are, would be better if Jameis Winston was their starting quarterback? I'm going to list them. I'm going to list the candidate candidates. I'm not going to put in, obviously ones that have obvious quarterbacks or guys that they drafted high that they're working on, whatever it may be. Dolphins, yes. Jets. Dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Tyreek and James, Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Browns.

[PFT Commenter]

Juries out on Shador.

[Big Cat]

Browns, yes. I'm going to say yes. Steelers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Max]

That's four.

[Big Cat]

Titans. Well, Cam. No, we give Cam Ward a year or two. Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

That's five. Let's see. Cardinals, we have six.

[PFT Commenter]

Cardinals.

[Big Cat]

Vikings definitely. Yes. Seven Cardinal or no, wait, hold on. Going down. I'm just going in order. Seven, let's say Saints, we should probably give Tyler Shock a little. So Cardinals, that would be eight. Eight teams. Eight teams would be better if they, if Jameis Winston was their starting quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Falcons.

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, I don't count it. Well, if you want to say instead of Michael Penix. Yeah, so nine.

[PFT Commenter]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's great.

[Big Cat]

He takes shots. He, he actually pushed half of the time. When you have a backup quarterback come in, they just dink and dunk. He, he pushes the ball downfield. He's fearless and he had the Lions in absolute hell. The lions gave up 25 first downs there. I mean, I know they're very injured and, and the Lions defense is, is like in a tough spot. They did get two big fourth down stops to end the game. And also when Mike Kafka went for it on fourth and goal on the six yard line with 259 left. Up 27, 24, which I know there's some people who probably don't like it. I love that move.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I like it too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but there, because yes, they could go up six, but the Giants have nothing to play for. I think they got eliminated from. I think they're officially eliminated. I think they're the first team eliminated from the playoffs today. They have nothing to play for. You're fourth and six. Go for it. Try to beat the Lions in Detroit. Yeah, it didn't work out. But I love the fact that like an interim head coach is saying, yeah, we, we can, we can be honest with the situation here. It's bad. Might as well try to go win a game.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't really understand what, what winning this game. Like if you kicked that field goal and you would have gone up, what that would have been seven, six or seven.

[Big Cat]

No, they would have gone up six.

[PFT Commenter]

So they would have had to score a touchdown at that point to win. Let's just say they drive back and they score touchdown. You lose. How dumb do you feel about kicking that field goal? You feel really dumb, right? If they don't, you get a win that you're going to forget about in three weeks anyways.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Who cares?

[PFT Commenter]

You're going to be eliminated anyways. I don't, I don't hate it at all. Now the job, we want to score as many points as possible.

[Big Cat]

I like.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what you should be trying to do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the name of the game.

[Big Cat]

He said it isn't the same old story as the other close games Giants lost this season. Now it isn't, but it is. The Giants now have set an NFL record with their fifth loss in a game where they held a double digit lead.

[PFT Commenter]

But this was also the first time they had a first quarter double digit lead in five years.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Since Joe Judge. So there's.

[Big Cat]

You got to look at the good stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Look at that. The start of the game was just as good as the end of the game was bad. So they're now 2 and 5 this year. If they have a double digit lead at any point in the game, here's.

[Big Cat]

Someone who might not have liked it. I think this is Malik Neighbor's Twitter account. He's not verified. Is it Wygard 13? Is that, is that his actual Twitter? That sounds like a receivers and he has, he has 25,000. Where is it? White Guard 13? Yeah, I think it's. I think it is. So he said, sometimes I think they'd be making us lose on purpose because there's no way, bro, you throw the ball instead of running it to make him burn. Two timeouts, then you don't kick the field goal, then they have to go down and score football. Common sense. Am I missing something? He deleted that. So he might not have liked it. Now, the throwing the ball instead of running it and trying to run clock, that. That might be something that Mike Kafka can work on. But going forward on fourth and six, when you have two wins and you're about to be eliminated from the playoffs, why not? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He said, am I missing something? And I think he was missing something.

[Big Cat]

I think he's missing the fact that the Giants only have two wins.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's missing that part. But hopefully people educated him on. Also, I like the fact that he's sitting at home watching the games, like, on the couch, like, getting into it and getting angry about it. I like that.

[Big Cat]

Good for him. And if you're a Giants fan, this was a perfect game. In the fact that you don't. You don't want to win this game, Right? No. But you did want to see a defense outside of tackling Jameer Gibbs. They were. The pass rush was there. They were harassing Jared Goff, getting him off his spot all day long. So that part. Maybe there's something good to look forward to. I guess it's. I guess if you're a Giants fan, nothing really matters if Jackson Dart isn't playing well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And you want Shane Bowen to get fired, but you actually don't want him to get fired until after this year.

[Big Cat]

Wait, who?

[PFT Commenter]

Their defense coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You want that guy gone?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. As long as they're going to clean everyone out. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just know that he won't be back next year. That should make you. That should make you happy. You're not going to like it during the games when you're like, how does this guy still have a job? But just trust me, this is going to be good for you in the long term.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. Yeah. I mean, this is a good loss for the Giants, even though they could have won it. And James is electric.

[Memes]

So much fun.

[Big Cat]

Also, are you a little scared of Jameis next week? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. You play Monday Night Football against James.

[PFT Commenter]

Huge, huge story coming out of this game today. They had their annual Corgi race at halftime.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

The Corgi race. And Grizzly. The Corgi was going for three straight. Make it a dynasty. It was A photo finish. If you look up the race, it's the closest race I've ever seen. See this Corgi race, they ended up giving it to Grizzly.

[Big Cat]

Max is smiling again. What? What? What's going on?

[Max]

Look at how Zach spelled coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Give it. Spell it out loud. R, D, E, N, T, A T, O, R. Talk us through that, Zach.

[Hank]

Coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, like quad.

[Big Cat]

Quad. You hear it?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Quarter.

[PFT Commenter]

Coordinator.

[Zach]

Coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

Coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm the coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Zach]

We all miss sometimes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we all miss.

[Max]

There's no shit that's on me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Big Cat]

I'm sorry. Hey, look, you made Max smile.

[Max]

You did.

[Big Cat]

For the first time since the Eagles Cowboys game.

[PFT Commenter]

That's okay. Max hates dogs. He doesn't want to talk. Want us talking about the Corgis.

[Big Cat]

Can we see it? Can we see the corgis?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Watch the photo finish of this. Because Grizzly was going for three straight. Would have been a record. And then there was not the corgi. There was a photo finish.

[Big Cat]

I love Corgi races.

[PFT Commenter]

A 40 yard dash for these Corgis and I hand timed it at about like 4 1/2 seconds. So this is like NFL speed here.

[Big Cat]

Could you get us a better angle, Zach? You have us. You have us where the snipers sit. Oh, still not a great angle. Either way, I'm pumped for. What was his name?

[PFT Commenter]

Grizzly.

[Big Cat]

Grizzly. Grizzly.

[Hank]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

They said you don't walk. Grizzly. Grizzly walk.

[Big Cat]

Oh, there we go.

[PFT Commenter]

So Grizzly was on the inside track here. And they did a pause on the jumbotron to show that Grizzly crossed the line by a nose.

[Big Cat]

Now Grizzly, the. The darker.

[PFT Commenter]

The darker dog is Grizzly. But when you watch it on the extreme close up angle that they have, it looks to me like Helen crossed the goal line barely before Grizzly. But then Grizzly crossed into the blue of the end zone from the goal line barely before Helen. So we have a. It's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we really need. This should have been a halftime for Thanksgiving show.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Like who's doing the halftime show this Thanksgiving? I would rather watch Corgi's race. I'd rather have all types of weight.

[PFT Commenter]

Daddy Yankee.

[Big Cat]

Oh man, is that close.

[Hank]

Look at that.

[PFT Commenter]

So to me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Helen crosses the white stripe first.

[Big Cat]

How do they call. Are they calling it the white stripe?

[PFT Commenter]

No, this I see. They called it the blue line and then Grizzly one they gave Grizzly. This is the Chiefs. It's basically Patrick Mahomes gets what he wants.

[E]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because Helen definitely got him. Beat him to the goal line.

[PFT Commenter]

Beat him to the goal line. Right. And then as they inch forward, that's where Grizzly separates himself.

[Big Cat]

That's electric. I love it.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty.

[Big Cat]

More corgi racing. Just something a little food for thought. Maybe we'd play a little Whose Line Is It Anyway? Whose Line Is It Anyway? Yep, the packers and the Lions are playing at noon on Thanksgiving. I'm gonna guess where Lions into. Well, it's Thanksgiving. Yeah, you. You got that. You had that as you were saying it. Lions minus two and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's lions.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Three. It is the three.

[Hank]

Minus three.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, that's plus 100. So that's two and a half. The what? I brought it up because the Packer or The Lions had 77 snaps on defense today. It's a lot of snaps. They played overtime. The packers didn't even have to play the fourth quarter because of nine. Just something to think. Just something to think about. That feels like a quick turnaround. I know that it's. I know they play Thursday night Football every single week, but it's Thursday afternoon football and I think those hours matter.

[PFT Commenter]

I love it when the Thanksgiving games mean something. Yeah, I really do.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Cowboys, Chiefs means a lot. Shitload.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Ravens, Bengals.

[PFT Commenter]

Means a lot to the Ravens.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there's. Yeah, there's going to be some. Some good football or at least some consequential football on Thanksgiving. Wait, are. Is Texas and Texas. And I'm playing Thursday night, too. Remember they used to play. Yeah, Thursday nights.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Thanksgiving.

[Big Cat]

Because then Thursday or Friday, that would be perfect because then we could just. If the Bengals, Ravens, they are Friday, they're not playing Thursday night. That sucks. That would have been sick. That have been a lot of fun.

[PFT Commenter]

It is good, though, to have consequential games on Navy's playing Thanksgiving, it gives you big reason if you need to duck away from the family. Be like, yeah, this game's actually really important. I have to watch it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there'll be a college basketball tournament going on too. I'm sure in on all of it. So Jameer Gibbs, the last thing I have on him, he is 44th touchdown in the NFL. That is second all time. Fastest amount, 44 touchdowns. Second, second all time total of touchdowns before turning the age of 24. The person who has the most is Barry Sanders at 47. So he should break it. His birthday's not till March. Pretty crazy that they're going to have those two guys at the top. The Lions.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think that. That some coaches, when they coach against Dan Campbell, are more likely to be aggressive on fourth down?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Because, like, they secretly want to impress them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, she want to be like, look, I know what I'm doing too, bro.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm doing it too.

[Big Cat]

I'm part of the club.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, do you like me, Dan?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We get.

[PFT Commenter]

We should chill. Get a beer sometime, buddy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know ball. You know ball. We're just ball knowers. Yeah. Two guys hanging out.

[PFT Commenter]

Two alpha males competing against each other coaching football. Look at that.

[Big Cat]

Who could have thought? The two of us. Okay, next game. The Bears, 31, the Steelers, 28. The Chicago Bears are 8 and 3. People are mad about the 8 and 3 Chicago Bears. Talk to your family about the 8 and 3 Chicago Bears. This was not the. So it started with Aaron Rodgers flipping off cameramen who are hardworking cameraman shout out to camera people at Soldier Field.

[PFT Commenter]

But that was with his right, right middle finger.

[Big Cat]

It was right middle finger. So he. People were like, well, it's inconclusive if he's playing. Was that not the most Aaron Rodgers shit ever? The guy broke his wrist, like, six days ago, and we did an entire week of Willie or will he not play? He has a fucking broken hand.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. Was he flipping off the camera or was he flipping off the cameraman?

[Big Cat]

I don't know, but either way, disgusting. Jail. But it would. I mean, that. That is the most Aaron Rodgers thing possible to. To be like, let's do headlines. An entire week of my broken wrist. Like, is he. Are we gonna do this every week? Because I assume if you have a broken wrist, you're just not gonna play quarter.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, there's a very funny, like, update to the broken wrist that came out on Saturday. Of course, I think it was Schefter saying it's unclear whether or not he's going to play, but just know that if it was up to Aaron Rodgers, he would try to play through it. That, to me, it felt like Aaron found out from the coaches, like, hey, you're not playing. And he was like, yeah, you're right, I'm not. But I just want to tell. I'm gonna let Adam Schefter know and that I. That I would rather play.

[Big Cat]

And I think Mike Tomlin even said something like, we tried everything we could. We really wanted. He really wanted to play just so. So extra either way this game. So Mason Rudolph played the. Obviously playing a backup quarterback is. Is beneficial. We've. I. There's a list. There's a list that's going around. Can you find it for me? Of the last six. I know memes. You've seen this list. You love this list. The last six games the Bears. The quarterbacks the Bears have have faced because I think it's like Snoop Huntley. I can't. Let's see. We'll find it either way. The Bears also were down pretty much everyone on defense. We had all three of our starting linebackers out. We then lost two linebackers in the game. We, we've had the same. I don't really count like you can't count Jalen Johnson and Kyler Gordon because they haven't played all season. But we, you know, I mean the Bears were. The defense is tough so we played Mason Rudolph, J.J. mcCarthy, Jackson Dart, Joe Flacco, Tyler Huntley, Spencer Rattler. Don't really care because that right there was five and one either way. The Bears defense was very hurt. Mason Rudolph not as good as Aaron Rodgers. Caleb Williams played well except for the fumble was bad. Very bad. Have to know that was also T.J. watts 115 sack. He passed J.J. watt. J.J. watt was on the call.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a torch moment.

[Big Cat]

Passing the torch.

[Memes]

I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm looking the quarterbacks. I see a ton of five star college recruits.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. First round picks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. For some first round picks but more like even earlier than that. Like some ultimate five star top five guys in the country when they're coming out of high school.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean listen the bears are 8 and 3. It's fun. I'm having fun. This game was the, the defense did their best to hold it. Naysha Wright just come like picks off a ball every single week.

[PFT Commenter]

It feels like that's a pretty incredible pick that he had just stuck his left arm up, stuck to his wrist, got two feet down. That was pretty cool to see.

[Big Cat]

And, and the, the Steelers were able to move the ball like Mason Rudolph had a 95 yard touchdown drive. You could tell there was moments where it's like oh, there's no one in in the second level to tackle here because every run's five yards. I do think that fake tush push while an incredible play was illegal cuz CBS just did a terrible job and just didn't have the game on. How can you running down the sideline.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like this happens a lot in like low level division two college basketball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I never see it in the NFL. The NFL punishable by death.

[Big Cat]

It was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

It was bad. I thought that they, they kind of messed up actually having Mason Rudolph run a QB sneak for zero yards. Mason Rudolph should not be trying.

[Big Cat]

They were setting it up, trying to impose the fake tush push physically.

[PFT Commenter]

And then Tomlin's explanation behind it was, I do it again. Because hesitation kills more than aggression. You don't have to hesitate. You can just. You can make the correct decision immediately instead of overthinking whether or not to run. Mason Rudolph. Yeah, the Bears are good. The Bears are a good team. Yeah. I don't think that there's anybody out there being like, bears, Super Bowl. So anyone that's calling the Bears a fraud, I would disagree with that same. I would disagree with the Colts assessment. I think the Bears are just. They're a good football team. Listen, there are some people need to recognize that.

[Big Cat]

There are some years where the bounces go your way. That is what it feels like right now for the Bears. So it's like strap and enjoy the out of this ride. 8 and 3 is awesome. It would be. I'm now at the point where I will be very disappointed if the Bears don't make the playoffs. Because if you're eight and three and you don't make the playoffs, that's. That's really, really.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a scary zone to be in.

[Big Cat]

That's a scary zone to be. I have to be. I have to be honest with it. Like eight and three, you got it. You got to find a way to get to the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

You're out in deep water right now and there's a chance that you can make a swim for that island.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

But if you don't now, it's like there's more at stake than when you were just splashing around in the kiddie pool.

[Big Cat]

I think it's just also there's like. It's a combination of the Bears always are being bad a lot of the times and then kind of not wanting to believe that it could. Could be real. And there's very real parts of it. One, Ben Johnson is very, very real. Caleb Williams is playing has. Has taken steps forward this year versus last year. You can see him in an offense that has a little continuity and a good coach. He had three touchdowns today. He missed a couple guys. Like he wasn't a perfect game, but in DJ Moore was awesome. And it was also a day where the run game was not what it has been recently. And then Dennis Allen's a hell of a defensive coach because this team has so many starters out and he's finding a way to make it work. Montez sweat came up big brisker with the deflection at the end of the game was huge. And shout out Ryan Poles because his offensive. His left tackle pick from this past year, Ozzy Trapillo came in, gave up one pressure. That was a point of weakness. We lost Theo Benedict. So we're on our third off left tackle Ozzy Travilla looked pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

We gotta find out one test he.

[Big Cat]

Was going up against. I think he was going up against Nick Herbert.

[PFT Commenter]

We gotta find out what happened after that Lions game. What happened after week two.

[Big Cat]

The gateway.

[PFT Commenter]

I need some, I need some boots on the ground inside Hallis hall to tell me all the weird new that Ben Johnson did. Any players only meetings that were had after that game because the Bears have been a different team.

[Big Cat]

I just think he's a really good coach and he, he, he gets, he gets guys to believe. And even if they're not a top echelon team right now, which I'm not going to say they are, he gets guys to believe that every single week they can go into a game and he's going to put them in a place to win the game.

[PFT Commenter]

What echelon are they?

[Big Cat]

They are, I don't know, whatever the second tier is. I think they're a second tier like. But I'm, I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. And I don't. Like. It would be crazy for me to say I think the Bears can win four playoff games and win a Super bowl when we're, when we're, when we're winning games by the thinnest of margins. But I also think the Bears can compete with anyone at this point and they've got a belief that they are not going to blink when those like tough moments come. Max, did you ever think when this schedule came out that Black Friday after Thanksgiving would be 8 and 3 Bears versus 8 and 3 Eagles?

[Max]

No. It's a big game.

[Big Cat]

It's a big, huge game.

[Max]

I'll be.

[Big Cat]

Are you now looking at the schedule or our record? I.

[Max]

We got to worry about ourselves right now.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

See, big cat, this is bad for you that the Eagles lost today.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so bad. You were ruined and the Bears are off a win.

[PFT Commenter]

You had to be rooting so hard for the Eagles.

[Big Cat]

I was asked on my fantasy corner this morning if I remain a 6 out of 10. And I was like, to be honest, I've been walking around it like a nine and a half on the street. Just like fist random. I went and did something with the Lost Boys on Saturday. There was a brunch in the West Loop. I was just fist bumping people coming in and out of the bar, just being like, Bears, let's get eight. Let's get to eight and three. It was a nine and a half. Easily.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean this is easily. This is a very exciting time for Bears fans.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

And like the Bears, they're probably gonna make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

I would be better.

[PFT Commenter]

I'd be surprised if they didn't make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

I'd be very upset if they didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

And then it's all about who you get to play in the first round. The Bears could win a playoff game this year.

[Big Cat]

I'm excited to see how we play against the Eagles because this is going to be a huge game. And the Eagles are obviously. Even though they just lost the Cowboys, the Eagles defense is still elite. So how do we. How. How does our offense look against an elite defense versus some of the defenses that we've been playing that have not been elite?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, there's also huge test.

[Big Cat]

Huge test on Black Friday, you guys. I'm excited for the opportunity.

[PFT Commenter]

You should want to win the division too. The division is.

[Big Cat]

Oh, hell yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's definitely yours if you want it.

[Big Cat]

No, you want.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you want it?

[Big Cat]

The se. Yeah. The season comes down to those. Have two games against the Pack.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Packers. And two in a game against the lines. It still is probably gonna. Everything's gonna like boil down to the Niners game is gonna be the biggest swing game possible. But yeah, I want the division. I did like there was one packers fan who's like, talk to me tomorrow when it was this morning. He's like, we'll wait like five hours to see the Bears not on first anymore. Guess what? Another week we're still in first happened. What are you gonna do about it?

[E]

Nothing.

[Big Cat]

Can't do anything about it right now. Talk to. Talk to your people about the three Chicago.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you know what?

[Max]

There.

[PFT Commenter]

There might be a moment on Thursday if the packers win, they would momentarily overtake the Bears.

[Big Cat]

They would.

[PFT Commenter]

They would have 24 hours. And then the bears have 24 hours to respond to take the division back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And we're never going to give it back.

[PFT Commenter]

Just don't give it back. Just don't give it back.

[Max]

Who said that?

[Big Cat]

Ryan Polls.

[PFT Commenter]

We're going to take the division.

[Big Cat]

They said we're going to take the.

[PFT Commenter]

North and not then just don't give it back. It's nine tenths of the law.

[Big Cat]

How do we still do press conferences like that? And I'm not even just. Just talking About Ryan polls, because I think Ryan polls. This, this offensive line has been worlds better and he's done a lot of nice things. Like Naysha Wright is a guy who's stepped up and he's wouldn't have started this year if we were healthy. But you just got to know when you're, when you're doing a press conference to just not say like that. That can be thrown back in your face. Yeah, you can't do that.

[PFT Commenter]

I have a question for you, big cat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Is Caleb Williams nicknamed the Iceman?

[Big Cat]

I, I. So there was a kid who had the Iceman.

[PFT Commenter]

Iceman.

[Big Cat]

The I. Maybe it is because I saw someone else write it. I don't. I feel like there's other Iceman.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a lot of other ice. Right.

[Big Cat]

So you.

[PFT Commenter]

And also Pritzker's not going to like that.

[Big Cat]

Caleb. Caleb Williams. Like Caleb is a name. That is not what.

[Hank]

That's funny.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Nice man. Pritzker. Well, he, yeah, he's. He's going to, he's going to break.

[PFT Commenter]

Out the salt trucks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, he's going to, he's going to blow the horn. The. His name's Caleb.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I feel like when you have a unique name like that, you don't really need a nickname.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean it's tough to just put a nickname on a guy that doesn't have a ready made nickname. You just call him by his number.

[Big Cat]

Kind of like the Iceman though, right there.

[PFT Commenter]

Probably K. Will.

[Big Cat]

No. Or C Dub.

[PFT Commenter]

C Dub.

[E]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Watch him on the C Dub. C. What about just CW18? Yeah. Not everyone needs a nickname. He could just be Caleb Williams.

[PFT Commenter]

He just could be. It's like when Che tried to call Jane Daniels the warthog last year.

[Max]

Year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Even some of the. Yeah, some of these guys, like you remember how like Peyton Manning wanted to be called the Sheriff.

[PFT Commenter]

The Sheriff.

[Big Cat]

That was so weird. Like.

[Hank]

No, Gruden made that.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah. Gruden made that up.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But I mean his name, this guy, the Sheriff, his name's Peyton Manning. It's just. It is what it is.

[PFT Commenter]

The problem with Grun is he's a serial. He's a serial nickname guy. He just gives out nicknames to everybody that he meets.

[Big Cat]

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like quarterbacks is the least nicknamed position in sport.

[PFT Commenter]

Jake the Snake.

[Big Cat]

There's just not a lot of them.

[Hank]

Drake. Drake May. May.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. I hate that nickname. I hate it.

[Big Cat]

Schedule.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the schedule.

[E]

What?

[Big Cat]

What? Mr. Too Jalen Hurst doesn't have A nickname. Does he? Fred Smooth calls. Jaden Daniels. Jedi 5.

[PFT Commenter]

Jedi 5.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

RG3.

[Big Cat]

RG3.

[PFT Commenter]

But that's his initials.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's his initials.

[Max]

But I mean, that's.

[Big Cat]

But I'm just thinking. I. I never really thought about it.

[PFT Commenter]

But RG3 is actually Rex Grossman III. That's what we saw.

[Big Cat]

Say. But. But there's not a lot of nicknames out there for quarterbacks. Yeah.

[Hank]

Maddy. Ice.

[PFT Commenter]

Madd. Yeah. Good call.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

Cam. Superman.

[E]

Broadway Joe namath.

[Big Cat]

Broadway joe.

[PFT Commenter]

Mr. Unlimited.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Teddy two gloves.

[Big Cat]

Teddy two gloves.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's really about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If you say their name.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Just say their name.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

A great wide receiver or a great defensive player.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

More likely to have it.

[Big Cat]

Right. Or a basketball player. There's just. Yeah, you just say their name when they're a quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. Okay. The Iceman.

[Big Cat]

The Iceman.

[PFT Commenter]

You could probably make some sick shirts with the Iceman on it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Iceman. Iceman cometh.

[Max]

The.

[Big Cat]

He had four. He had a. He led a touchdown drive in every single quarter. It was. And I will say this. I've been. I've been saying that the biggest issue for the Bears offensively right now has been just too many times having nice drives that end in three points. They were 3 for 3 in the red zone with touchdowns. And I still think there's a game coming where everything just really like, explodes and everything clicks. And Colson Loveland, I love that guy. He just. Every time he catches the ball, he wants to get more yards.

[PFT Commenter]

You know who's cheering the boys on? Like, maybe one of the emotional leaders of the team, or at least he thinks he might be. Is. Is Cairo.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Cairo has some swag.

[PFT Commenter]

Cairo's just been letting it rip.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Cairo's been cheering.

[Big Cat]

Well, every game has basically come down to Cairo. So he needs. He's a very important piece is Cairo.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, if Cairo is having a bad year, what would your record be at this point?

[Big Cat]

Oh, definitely a couple more losses.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Ben Johnson, whatever he's done with Cairo, great job.

[Big Cat]

He believes in Cairo. Because I have not always been a believer in Cairo.

[PFT Commenter]

And Jake Moody was nipping at his heels for a little bit. He says, I'm going back to Cairo.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Jake Moody's now your guy.

[PFT Commenter]

He is my guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I hope he starts to stink.

[Big Cat]

Again for us real quick about the Steelers are. If I feel like Steelers fans are as down as possible just because. Not. Not because the Bears beat him, but because the Ravens won as well. And in a matter of six weeks, the Ravens Are now top the AFC north again.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. It was mostly because everybody told them that that was going to happen.

[Big Cat]

And then it happened, and then it had record time.

[PFT Commenter]

Exactly according to plan.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And so now they're feeling. Yeah, they're feeling bad about everything right now.

[Big Cat]

And I don't really know what the fix would be because, again, I don't know how Roger's like, if he didn't play today, he's not going to play. Right. Until his wrist is. Is fixed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. How much better is it going to get in week two?

[Big Cat]

It's still going to be broken. That was the whole point of this whole, like, song and dance, like you have a broken wrist. It is what it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Drink your milk, Aaron.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I. It's not good for the Steelers right now. It feels like. I think Jerry, he. He got up for this game. He waited in the parking lot for an hour for me this morning because I pulled in and he was. He's. His car is so tinted, I didn't even know if he was in it. But then he pulled down the window and he was like, what's up? He said he would wait. He was waiting for an hour.

[PFT Commenter]

Did he videotape it?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Was he in his parking spot?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was in his parking spot.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The one I parked.

[PFT Commenter]

Got the blue decal with the person. The chair on.

[Big Cat]

Yep. In the wheelch. Yeah. That parking spot.

[PFT Commenter]

Mike Tomlinson injuries test you. They don't define you.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He's not allowing his team to be defined by the injuries that they have, which, I mean. Yeah, that's fair because I think we defined this team before the injuries happened and then they kind of lived up to that. I feel. I still think that if Aaron Rodgers, if he comes back, they can make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

It's getting crowded in the afc. It is getting very crowded. By the way, I'll throw out one negative thing for the. For the Bears haters they can throw out. I've seen it tweeted at me. The Bears are the third team in NFL history to have eight plus wins in a negative point differential through 11 games of a season. I get it.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's only. That's.

[Big Cat]

I haven't done anything convincing, but we've done it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's just minus three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's barely negative.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That Lions game really hurt in week two.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, if you take.

[Big Cat]

That one's carrying a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

If you exclude weeks one and week two. If you say since week three.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, weeks one was. We only lost by three yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But if you just take out weeks one and two.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Then you guys are sitting pretty.

[Big Cat]

Dominant team.

[PFT Commenter]

Dominant team.

[Big Cat]

One loss, dominant team. Okay, next up, let's stick in the division. Packers 23, Vikings 6, 9.

[PFT Commenter]

Do we have a nine problem?

[Big Cat]

I think we have a significant nine problem.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that people just don't believe hard enough.

[Big Cat]

And nine, J.J. mcCarthy. So they had. He had four net yards in the second half. He had two picks. He had five sacks. And then there was the insult graphic. That was actually kind of mean spirited that they put up there that said stats, completion percentage, TD to interception, passer rating, and every single one for the quarterbacks was last, last, last. They shouldn't say that's a good meme by the PMT stats. The. The guy sitting on the good side of the bus.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Big cat. Bears 8 and 3, max. 8 and 3 on the. On the sad side. Does feel like that right now. I think I'm as excited as possible. Max is not happy.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a. It's a wonderful feeling. Just look at the numbers. Be happy with the numbers next to your name. Max.

[Big Cat]

That's a good.

[PFT Commenter]

Those are good numbers.

[Big Cat]

I'm pumped to be eight and three, max. You pumped to be eight and three? Nope. Okay. All right. Packers 23, Vikings six.

[PFT Commenter]

Max is usually our biggest eight.

[Big Cat]

Guy bumped JJ McCarthy.

[PFT Commenter]

Max.

[Big Cat]

JJ McCarthy's bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Nine is good. JJ's bad. We didn't see nine today. We saw JJ. It would help if they caught some of his passes, too. I know he had like at least, at least one drop that would have been good for another 12 yards on his. On his total net yardage. But yeah, he was. Dude, he was very bad today.

[Big Cat]

It's never good too, when the broadcast is doing the mechanics, zoom ins. They had his feet. The mechanics, the. All types of graphics going on where his feet were ending up. His throws. The one he sailed for an interception and the other one where he got. He did get his arm grabbed. Oh. Devonte Adams scored another one yard touchdown. That's all he does. He's a beast at that. J.J. mcCarthy looks like he is in very deep water. Yeah, I think that's fair to say. Now. The packers defense is nasty. The packers defense has been playing lights out. They've been beating. They've been keeping them in every single game. That's never been the problem. Michael Parsons was a beast today, but J.J. mcCarthy looks like he's in trouble very much.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to believe in nine. I think it's funny to have a quarterback that gives himself an Alter ego name that steps into character and just like, wills his way to victory in games that he should absolutely lose. I think that's good for the NFL ecosystem to have a guy that. That actually sucks, but somehow wins games. He's just not doing enough to. To win games that he sucks in. He's got the sucking part down. We just got to figure out the very end of game situations for him and I. It's not happening. And on that, on that list, that graphic that they put on the screen, you don't have to say last. You can say, you can say 30 second, you can do numbers. But when you say last, it really twists the knife a little bit. Last hurt, it's hard to ignore. If you say if it's 32nd, then people can look at it and be like, well, maybe there's, you know, a bunch of starting quarterbacks that are behind them, and this includes just backup quarterbacks that got in. So Maybe it's really 32nd out of 50 quarterbacks and you don't have to put last. That felt personal to Vikings fans. And Vikings fan, you got to support your guy. Packers fans, you've been lucky enough to have Aaron Rodgers, Jordan love, Brett Favreau. They had their down moments, too. What if all their down moments came in, like, the first seven games that they played for you? That might be what's happening with nine right now. You're being tested.

[Big Cat]

Can I give you a blind resume?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you pass the test, Vikings fans.

[E]

Can I.

[Big Cat]

Can I give you a blind resume?

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I'm actually fine. Vikings fans, if you're, if you're like, I don't, I don't want to take this test anymore. I, I wouldn't disagree with you because here's the thing, J.J. mcCarthy. And there will be pushback that. Why do other quarterbacks get more leeway in the NFL like young quarterbacks? The problem with J.J. mcCarthy is it is his second year, so he was able to be in an NFL, you know, locker room for a year. I'm not saying that, you know, he obviously couldn't play, but going into his career in the NFL, the question was, what does it look like when he's not on a dominant defensive team that can run the ball when he's not asked, when he's asked to do more. It wasn't winning Heisman trophies or winning playoff, you know, go. You know, putting up gaudy numbers. That was a legitimate question. So obviously people are going to freak out after six games, which is fair. It's fair to freak out.

[PFT Commenter]

I Just given some more time.

[Big Cat]

Do you want the blind resume or no?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Feels like you don't.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

You want to give him time?

[PFT Commenter]

No, I do. I do.

[Big Cat]

Okay. First six career games. Quarterback A 929 yards, six touchdowns, 10 interceptions.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Sacked 20 times. Pass rating 57.9. Quarterback 21051 yards, five touchdowns, three interceptions. Sack 16 times. Pass rating A 76.9.

[PFT Commenter]

What are the two sack numbers there?

[Big Cat]

Sacked? Quarterback A was 20 times. Quarterback B was 16.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, that's a lot of. That's a lot of sacks. Which one is J? I think the. The first one's J.J. it is. And the second one is a guy who. Who might be thought of as being a bad quarterback.

[Big Cat]

He is.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, who? Johnny Benzel?

[Big Cat]

Worse. Zach Wilson. Worse.

[PFT Commenter]

Worse than Zach Wilson.

[Big Cat]

Jamarcus Russell.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's about as.

[Big Cat]

This was sent to me by a Vikings fan who I will have remain not anonymous because I do not want to get him in trouble, but a Vikings fan sent me that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think jamarcus Vikings fan sent me that. He needed a little bit more time.

[Max]

I think we need A Josh Allen, J.J. mcCarthy, blind resume. Okay, start, start.

[PFT Commenter]

I have. I have seen a lot of Vikings fans do that, being like, why aren't you. Why aren't you talking about him like you talked about Josh Allen's rookie year? There is that narrative out there.

[Max]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

This might be a young Josh.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

All right.

[Big Cat]

I'm not trying to shit on. Obviously plays for a divisional foe, so I'm not rooting for him, but I don't want him to. I don't want him to have a bad time.

[PFT Commenter]

But, I mean, if you're. Listen, J.J. i want him to.

[Big Cat]

I want him to not be good, but I don't want him to have a bad time, if that makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

J.J. is Mr. Fourth Quarter kind of in at least like, two games this season. Maybe he's just waiting to play good football until the game's actually like his back's against the wall when he feels maybe they're. They're losing in the fourth quarter of the season. And then it's nine time.

[Big Cat]

And then it's nine times.

[PFT Commenter]

Then the. Then the face paint gets even darker, the steps get faster, the heartbeats harder. He's probably at that point right now. Four and seven.

[Big Cat]

I'm looking at.

[Max]

I got. I got a blind resume going into today of JJ and Josh Allen.

[Big Cat]

Okay, give it to us.

[Max]

It's on the screen.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

First five career starts.

[Big Cat]

Okay. They're not too dissimilar there's a lot.

[Max]

Unfortunately, the eight interceptions is now 10 interceptions.

[Big Cat]

And Josh Allen was better as a rusher. He had three touchdowns rushing, so he had five total touchdown, I guess.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not, it's not crazy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But the difference is also that JJ is on a team that was very.

[Big Cat]

Good last year and Josh Allen has a rocket arm.

[PFT Commenter]

Looks good in shorts.

[Big Cat]

Looks great in shorts. But the Texans did him up. We're going to talk about that later. I swear to God, Texans fans, the packers though, I, I let's just at least say that JJ McCarthy was bad. The packers defense is really good again. So that was a tough task for him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they banged him up.

[Big Cat]

Also shout out Emmanuel Wilson because Josh Jacobs was out. Emmanuel Wilson, undrafted free agent. He played at a very small college. I think he was in the league on a practice squad like last year or the year before. He had 170 yards for the packers on the ground today. 100 yards of those came after contact. Also the first Packer running back to have 100 yard games and Josh Jacobs in week 12, 2024. That's pretty crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And the packers offense, when they're running the ball like twice as much as they're passing, it is actually a lot better. It's not a knock necessarily against love, but it makes everything easier if you can run the football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So this, that's the formula for the Packers.

[Big Cat]

I've seen some Jerry Jones has won the Micah Parsons trade discourse. What is that? Because Michael Parsons has been pretty damn good. He's through 11 games with the Packers. He has 10 sacks, 20 QB hits, 60 pressures, leads the NFL.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's because when Micah Parsons was traded, for some reason everybody around the league thought that the Cowboys were going to finish like with the number one overall draft pick at the end of this year. Like it would be that bad. And people thought that the packers were going to win every single game and win a Super Bowl. And then the packers have lost a couple games.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

To some inferior opponents. They've tied against the Cow. That's where it goes down to. It's like if the Cowboys. The Cowboys lost that trade in the moment to the Packers.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

But then they tied the Packers.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Head to head.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Therefore the Cowboys actually won that trade.

[Big Cat]

Okay, that makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Does that make sense?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The tie won them the trade.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It didn't make them. Losing the trade didn't make them as bad as people thought it was going to make them. Therefore they kind of won the trade.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's all about expectations.

[Big Cat]

I think that that logic makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the packers fans are also one of the doom and gloom maxes on the. The dark side of the bus.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That are upset with their 73 and 1 record.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Nitpicking. I mean, Jordan Love didn't have to play this whole game.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

He came out. Malik Willis played then because the game was. They were like, there's no way nine is scoring on us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This is the formula. You throw the ball 21 times, you run it 42 times. Exactly twice as much.

[Big Cat]

What let's go around the room is who's. Who's still believing in J.J. mcCarthy. Max.

[PFT Commenter]

I am.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Hey, it costs nothing to believe in a guy.

[PFT Commenter]

I can. Yeah. No, it can.

[Big Cat]

I mean what's, what's, what's anyone gonna say? Oh, you were wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, like money. Money.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that will definitely to believe in the guy if you still believe it.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, I just want J.J. to be good. I think that the league's a better place when you have guys that suck that end up winning football games. Not that I'm saying that JJ sucks.

[Big Cat]

Sounds like he sucks.

[PFT Commenter]

I think sucks. I think he's.

[Big Cat]

That was confusing.

[PFT Commenter]

He's a great personality to have in the league.

[Big Cat]

Sounds like you want to laugh at him.

[PFT Commenter]

He's. Listen, he's got a great personality.

[Hank]

So you're believing in him for a bit. Not because of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're not actually.

[PFT Commenter]

No. There's nothing he's shown you on the.

[Big Cat]

Field and you're believing in. Mr. Fourth quarter.

[PFT Commenter]

Mr. Fourth quarter.

[Max]

So Greer is just giving me ammo of what. What I should be saying.

[Big Cat]

So no one's believing in him here.

[PFT Commenter]

Mr. Fourth Quarter.

[Max]

I've. GREER is a co worker of ours who really likes JJ McCarthy I don't even think. But I believe in him.

[Big Cat]

I think most Vikings fans are probably having a little bit of a crisis.

[PFT Commenter]

He beat the Lions. Mr. Fourth Quarter.

[Big Cat]

He did beat the Lions.

[Max]

He beat the Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

He beat the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Beat the Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

He almost beat the Bears twice. He actually beat the Bears last week, but then his special teams let him down.

[Big Cat]

Well, he also threw a couple picks.

[PFT Commenter]

But I'm saying like at the end of the game, he had the game. He left.

[Max]

He did.

[PFT Commenter]

He gave his special teams a lead. At the end of the game.

[Big Cat]

He had a game winning draw drive.

[PFT Commenter]

Now this next week is going to be awesome because they're going to Seattle and Sam Darnold gets to play against the Viking who didn't want Him. Ran him out of town last year. This is nine's opportunity to step up.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you believe Hank?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

There you go. Hank. I don't even think it's a point too where you can hurt Vikings fans feelings. I think there's a lot of them. They're like, I don't believe it's been. It's been bad. And again, it's the context of it. It's not. He was awesome in college, you know, this incredible skills and everything. And so team didn't believe they were.

[Hank]

Lying about his injury so he didn't have to play.

[Big Cat]

The soft benching and the Schefter fake reporting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And they had like soft trades in the off season too. They're soft.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. They did do some soft trade.

[PFT Commenter]

Their soft pursuit of Aaron Rodgers. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Why am I supposed to believe in.

[PFT Commenter]

Him if Kevin o', Connell, Everything around him has been soft.

[Big Cat]

It's been weird.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been weird.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[PFT Commenter]

He's had a very strange last year of his career.

[Big Cat]

It's been very weird. I forgot about the. I forgot about the soft trades. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They were bringing guys in, moving them out.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Florio told me. I was. I was an idiot for thinking that there's anything weird going on with the quarterback situation.

[Big Cat]

Feels like there's some weird stuff, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Florio is too close to it. Florio is probably one of those. He probably hates nine and he's a Vikings fan.

[Big Cat]

How much do you think J.J. mcCarthy wishes? He didn't say the nine part?

[PFT Commenter]

Probably a lot now. Yeah, probably a lot.

[Big Cat]

It's just so memeable.

[PFT Commenter]

9.

[Big Cat]

It's just, it's. It's so bad. I do think the packers are gonna beat the Lions next week because I, again, this is why I'm scared of the packers is because of their defense. And Jordan Love will figure it out where he just floats backwards and completes all his passes.

[PFT Commenter]

And if they get a home playoff game, forget it.

[Big Cat]

No one's going into Lambo.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

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I got one for my mom last year. It's great. Yeah, she actually really loves it. It's like her favorite gift that she has. Also if you're not getting it for your mom, you can also get it for a friend and have it in their living room and then upload whatever pictures you want on it.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

That will then automatically display inside their living room. Might be fun for some people.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Okay. Patriots 26, Bengals 20. Henry yes. How you feeling?

[Hank]

I feel good. I feel good. We're 10 and two number one seed. Best team on the podcast. I feel great. Our injuries bad. Will Campbell.

[Big Cat]

That was bad. Did they have an update on the.

[Hank]

Update is not official. There's rumors and and reports that aren't like 100 legit. I don't know if they are that are saying it might be like four to eight weeks.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so back for the playoffs. There you go. Back for the playoffs. I thought. I thought Drake May was excellent today. As I predicted, he had a career high in yards. Did he hit 300? 294 career.

[Hank]

He did have like a 60 yard pass interference. That probably hurt a little bit, but it is what it is.

[Big Cat]

Career highs of career high.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, exactly. That's all you can do is just keep improving.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Room for improvement. Still. He looked good today except for a couple times in the first half. He had a couple bad throws today. That pick six was really bad.

[Big Cat]

Was.

[Hank]

It was pretty bad.

[PFT Commenter]

And then Flacco was like, I'll see your pick six. I'll throw an even worse one.

[Big Cat]

Flacco's pick six.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Drake May is. Was not the problem for the. For the Patriots today. And even to say that it's a problem like you guys won 26 to 20. But the problem for the Patriots was the goal line offense. Yeah, that was bad. I think you had 12 plays at the goal line today.

[Big Cat]

So they had. They had one sequence where they had nine plays within the 11 yard line. Six of those snaps from the one yard line. That was all in the same drive. They spent basically five minutes at the one yard line and then they had another one where they did it again and decided to kick a field goal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I think they ended up having 12 chances with goal to go and they got a total of 3 points out of it. You guys straightened that out. Besides that, it's like they didn't play poorly at all.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And that happened against the Bucks too. And they. They kind of got bailed out like with the Stefon Diggs corner F touchdown catch. But still not exactly a play you want to see on fourth and goal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

After same thing where they had three plays basically from the 1, 2, 3 that they did not convert on. Who is the but again, ten and two with. With things to improve on Glass glass half full. That's. That's a good thing.

[PFT Commenter]

And when's your bye week?

[Hank]

After we have Monday Night Football against Jamis and then. Bye.

[PFT Commenter]

Who are you playing? Bishop Sycamore. Monday football.

[Hank]

James Winston. What do you guys think?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the Giants. The Giants.

[Big Cat]

He's the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's the best. It's gonna be a great guy.

[Hank]

So that. Yeah, it's gonna be a tough game.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I just heard you guys suck him off for a hour.

[Max]

Bengals number one receiver in this. For the second half of this game.

[Big Cat]

It was T. Higgins, but then he got a concussion. Oh.

[Hank]

What about.

[Max]

What about Yoshi?

[PFT Commenter]

What about him?

[Max]

He also Got hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay.

[Max]

Mitchell Tinsley was the Bengals top receiver in this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Max]

At the end of this game.

[Hank]

Thanks, Max.

[PFT Commenter]

You mean the. They're not their best receiver that was currently playing at the end of the game? Hey, what about Jamar Chase?

[Max]

He's on the bank.

[Big Cat]

We were also.

[Hank]

We had, like, one offensive lineman playing. If we're going to do the injuries game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Two of our starters.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's do the injury.

[Big Cat]

Try to do the injury games against the Bears. Don't let them do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

With the backup quarterbacks.

[Max]

I mean, it had to be mentioned. It had.

[PFT Commenter]

It had.

[Big Cat]

It was mentioned.

[PFT Commenter]

It had to be mentioned that Mitchell Tinsley was their number one former commander. Was he really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I just looked him up because I want to see if he went. There's anything cool about him.

[PFT Commenter]

Not really.

[Big Cat]

He was. He was a commander. His Wikipedia is a commander shirt.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

He was on the Commanders from. Actually, no. He was on the practice squad for a year, so that's good. Former commander played at Penn State, Western Kentucky, Hutchinson Community College. Mitchell Tins.

[PFT Commenter]

So he's a Nittany Lion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So, Max, you should. You should love this guy. Good player.

[Max]

Yeah, good player. I just. I just thought that he should get a shine.

[PFT Commenter]

It had to be mentioned.

[Max]

He should get a shine.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to know what the. The Bengals are doing defensively, because watching this game, it was. It was like a carbon copy of watching that Steelers game where they just let dudes just run across the middle of the field like Hunter Henry. How many times does Hunter Henry wide open, like 4 yards past the line of scrimmage with the linebacker, like 12 yards away from him?

[Hank]

A lot.

[PFT Commenter]

And the Patriots did a great job of scheming stuff up against that defense, but Jesus Christ, if you're a Bengals fan, how do you do it?

[Big Cat]

It's. They. And you know what's the craziest part is they're playing better.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They're playing better defensively the last two.

[PFT Commenter]

Weeks, but still, it's got to be so frustrating. I guess your red zone defense today was good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Did it, Hank? Was that more about red zone execution on offense or on good defense?

[Hank]

I'll have to look at the all 22. We'll. We'll go with the offense. So I think. I think we got to pick it up.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Pick it up.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So at best, the Bengals can finish nine and eight. If they win out, that would be three straight years of nine and eight. It does feel like that super bowl run was years ago, does it not? Yeah, they did you know the year after the super bowl run was the year that they went 12 and four and then went and lost in the AFC championship game to the Chiefs those two years. And it feels like since then we're now on year three of. Of not going to the playoffs and not winning football games. And Joe Burrow being out has a lot to do with it, but it's got to be frustrating as hell as, as a Bengals fan, because you had super bowl, go to the AFC Championship game, give the Chiefs their absolute best shot and then since then, nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots now 6, 0 on the road this season.

[Hank]

It's good.

[PFT Commenter]

And what was the spread of this game? Seven and a half. So did not cover.

[Hank]

Did not cover.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

Once I make them 8 and 3.

[PFT Commenter]

7, 4 and 1. No, that's pretty. Still pretty good. I think that might be the best in the afc.

[Hank]

Take it.

[PFT Commenter]

Or at least right up there. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that there's a whole lot to be upset about except for the, the goal line offense today. And I feel like maybe, I don't know, I don't know what Frable does to get that straightened out.

[Hank]

Well, I mean, the Bengals we got. That's a good, the bye week is a good, good time to really reassess.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Zach Taylor said losing is the worst. Agreed. And then he said, why would you play. Asked when why would you consider playing Joe Burrow? Which I think it's a fair question. He said, winning is important. We want to win. Joe Burrow gives us a great chance to win. Do you think they win the game with a healthy Joe bro day? Probably, yeah.

[Hank]

Healthy, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

With Joe Burrow coming off of an injury, who knows, right?

[Big Cat]

I'd agree with that. Just a.

[Hank]

But the receivers, he had no one to throw to, so probably not Mitchell Tinsley. Right?

[Big Cat]

Mitchell Tinsley nitty line.

[Hank]

No, because it doesn't matter how good the quarterback is. If you have no one to throw to, what are you supposed to do?

[PFT Commenter]

No, I think that if I don't know what you're. What point you're trying to make.

[Hank]

I'm trying to. I'm trying to follow up on your point from earlier. You put in my head.

[Big Cat]

I know he's doing a follow up point. It's a follow up point right now.

[Max]

I think that I are on the same page here.

[PFT Commenter]

If Joe Burrow played last week, there's no chance that Jamar Chase would have spat on Jalen Ramsey. Because Joe's a good leader.

[Big Cat]

Good leader.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Well, Jamar Chase got injured.

[Big Cat]

Wrong.

[Hank]

Oh, he did that to himself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

What does that have to got you? What does that have to do with.

[Big Cat]

He got your ass?

[Max]

What point is that?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Max]

What is the point? He didn't play.

[Big Cat]

It felt like he. The point was in the moment. No, re.

[Max]

It does not matter why he did.

[Big Cat]

Not take a timeout. Please.

[PFT Commenter]

Why?

[Max]

Why does that matter?

[Big Cat]

I'd like a timeout in the moment. The way Hank phrased that, it felt like a gotcha. Now that I'm out of the moment, I don't really understand the. Gosh. But it did feel. Did you feel it in the room where he kind of goaded you into saying something and then he gotcha.

[Max]

It made no sense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but I still felt like a gotcha.

[PFT Commenter]

I think. I think you got got.

[Big Cat]

I think your.

[Hank]

Your whole point made no sense.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think Max got got.

[Big Cat]

No, he did. He said. He said he got suspected. That's what Hank was looking for.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, you said earlier you are the.

[Max]

Best team, but why does that.

[Big Cat]

It does.

[Max]

Why does that matter?

[Big Cat]

Again, I think it was a premature gotcha, but in the moment, it felt like one.

[Hank]

If you look at the records, we have the most wins on the podcast. We also have the least amount of losses on the podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

The least amount of which is.

[Max]

Season is also not over.

[Hank]

Just. I'm just saying, Hank, does that.

[PFT Commenter]

Follow up question that. Does having the most wins, does that make you the best team?

[Hank]

I would say yeah. Statistically, yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you were just calling the Colts frauds.

[Big Cat]

Gotcha.

[Hank]

That's not gotcha.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you were saying that they're completely fraudulent and disrespectful, even though they have a lot of wins and they were the one seed.

[Hank]

Yeah, but we didn't have. We have every chance we have to prove ourselves.

[Max]

We do.

[Hank]

The Colts had a chance to prove themselves today. They did not.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. But the concept of not of total number of wins not equaling best team. You've set the precedent. That's not always the case. But now you want that to be the case when your Patriots have the most.

[Hank]

Well, we also have the least amount of losses.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that was also true with the Colts.

[Hank]

No, they had the same amount as other teams. Patriots and.

[PFT Commenter]

But when the Colts had the one seed when they did.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So you were saying. No.

[E]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Because you're saying that it's possible for a team with a lot of wins to be fraudulent. I'm asking you, if that is also.

[Hank]

If the Patriots play, could that be the case? The Eagles are a better team. Probably. They have the winning experience. They just won the Super Bowl. I will, I will give you that, but.

[PFT Commenter]

So you're not the best team on the podcast?

[Hank]

Well, statistically, we are.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you just said right now the Eagles are a better team.

[Hank]

But that's a hypothetical. I only look at numbers.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Max]

So you three 50 times back.

[PFT Commenter]

But you also just said that the Eagles are better.

[Big Cat]

Hypothetically, yes.

[Hank]

Statistically speaking, and in real life, real world, we are the best currently.

[Big Cat]

Who would you say is better than. Because you are the one seed right now, right? Or no, it's the Broncos.

[Hank]

We are.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So are there any teams, AFC, that are better? We are.

[Hank]

I'm not going to do this game.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Memes]

Why not?

[Big Cat]

I guess we'll stop the game. It wasn't a game. This is because I, I, look, I, I. It's a fair question. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We talk about the Bears. They say they're 18 beat and three. And I'm so pumped. I'm like. But I also know, like, hey, there's that that has gone our way. That I can't, I can't.

[Hank]

If you want to be the best, I said this to PFT time and time again last year. You want to beat the best, you got to beat the best. I don't care who we're playing. I think we can beat them. Afc, nfc, don't matter.

[PFT Commenter]

How would you feel about this season if you ended up winning 12 games?

[Max]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

And then lose first round of the playoffs?

[Hank]

That would be disappointment. Big disappointment.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. You win one playoff game.

[Hank]

Depends how we lose.

[PFT Commenter]

Overtime to who you lose in overtime to the Buffalo Bills.

[Hank]

Disappointment. But, but that's, that's good for this, Good for the future.

[Big Cat]

You beat the Chiefs in round one, you get blown out by the Jaguars round.

[Hank]

That's tough. That would never happen. I'd be happy with that, though.

[Max]

What if Doddington Bones just. Just dots your ass?

[Big Cat]

Oh, he dots the dotted.

[PFT Commenter]

You might be Hannah.

[Hank]

That would be Hannah.

[PFT Commenter]

Ease. I'd be disappointed. What if you lost?

[Big Cat]

What if you stop playing this game?

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, what if you went to overtime and won against the Jaguars? Then you went to overtime and won against the Chargers. And then you lost by 50 points to Patrick Mahomes.

[Hank]

Good for the soul. Good, good season. Good for the soul.

[Memes]

Good for the future.

[Big Cat]

What if you beat the Chiefs?

[Hank]

Yeah, it's a fulfilling season with also fire in your stomach and pit in the off season. That's going to propel you in the future.

[Big Cat]

What if you beat the Chiefs, Beat the Ravens beat the Chiefs, beat the Ravens, and then get absolutely smashed by the Colts, who you called frauds.

[Hank]

Same thing. Losing the NC Championship would be a phenomenal.

[Max]

Again, not.

[Hank]

Not phenomenal.

[Max]

It would be.

[Memes]

No, you said, wow.

[PFT Commenter]

But then you remember.

[Memes]

But then he remembered.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But then he remembered. It would be phenomenal. You're Hank. Nobody expected you to be here. You should just enjoy the ride.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You. The Patriots season and the Bears season, it's. It's pretty similar right now. I think the Bears play. They've played a much harder schedule, but, like, overall, if you look at it pretty much in the same spot, you should. You should just enjoy being here.

[Big Cat]

And I am.

[Hank]

And I continue to.

[PFT Commenter]

Will you continue to. Will.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I.

[Max]

Listen, I shouldn't apologize for being. For being 10.

[Big Cat]

No, you should not.

[Hank]

But I have not.

[Max]

I know. That's. That's all.

[Big Cat]

Do not apologize.

[Zach]

I won't.

[Max]

I like. I just like that you're being realistic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was. That was the most realistic we got, talking about getting the AFC Championship game, saying, that was a good season.

[PFT Commenter]

That's why we played these games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was. We. We played the game.

[Max]

We're all in a good. We're all in a better spot now than we were before. This conversation.

[PFT Commenter]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

That game was good.

[PFT Commenter]

Grounded you.

[Big Cat]

I guess Bengals are just sad. I don't know what else to say. They are the. The.

[PFT Commenter]

They're.

[Big Cat]

They're the tough. They might. Might go to bed early on Thursday night.

[PFT Commenter]

I. Well, it's probably gonna be Joe. That's what's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Is it?

[PFT Commenter]

Why all signs.

[Big Cat]

Why would they.

[PFT Commenter]

Joe Flacco playing. They shouldn't. Joe wants to play. Zach Taylor wants to save his job. That's what Zach Taylor probably could have said to the. To the media when they asked him about that. Like, we play these to, you know, we want to win football games. He gives us your best chance. He also gives you your best chance of not being fired.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

When. When Joe Burrow's playing. Playing.

[Big Cat]

Correct. Burrow.

[PFT Commenter]

If you're a Bengals fan, you. You should not want Joe Burrow to play this year. You should want to invest heavily in large men that shove people that play directly in front of Joe Burrow. And you should kind of move along to next year.

[Big Cat]

Zach, quick update. How's this game going for you?

[Zach]

Dumps are fire.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah. That was now 21.

[Zach]

I put 36 on our head before half.

[PFT Commenter]

On your head?

[Big Cat]

On your head. On our head.

[Max]

Teams can come back from down 21.

[Big Cat]

No. What? No.

[PFT Commenter]

In the first half.

[Max]

I think this is exactly home teams. True.

[Zach]

I shouldn't have came in that negative. We still got time.

[Big Cat]

There you go.

[Zach]

That's on me.

[Big Cat]

Another white tight end scored. Higby, I think is out. So now it's just.

[PFT Commenter]

Just Parkinson's.

[Big Cat]

They're just down.

[Max]

They have another white tight end.

[Big Cat]

4. They have four guys, four white tight ends that look the same.

[Hank]

And also, yeah, I bet one of them.

[Max]

They're all numbers.

[Hank]

Not a fun game to play.

[Big Cat]

No, that's what I'm saying. You just got to bet all. You got to bet them all and just hope. Hope they score multiple times.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just thinking about nine again because the. The Rams have their own nine. Matt Stafford. It does seem to me like the. I need to start reminding people to keep the same energy when another quarterback throws an interception. I think it's now going to be like if. If nine did this, the media wouldn't shut up about it. About every pick that's thrown.

[Big Cat]

Who would that. Who would that.

[PFT Commenter]

Just anyone that throws an interception.

[Big Cat]

But guys who've been good in the league.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just like if you throw a pick. If JJ McCarthy did this, they'd be writing articles about it already.

[Big Cat]

That's fair.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Seahawks 30, Titans 24. Jackson, Smith, Najigba. He's incredible. He is another one. So we said Jameer gives his best. I. I need to stick with my takes because I said Jameer gives his best running back, what, like a month ago, and then I got a little bit bullied. That's fine because I always forget people when I say that. I have been saying Jackson Smith has been the best wide receiver this season for a month and it is facts. He is incredible. Eight catches, 167 yards, two touchdowns. He had 70% of their passing offense. He's awesome. He is on pace to break an NFL record of 20, 29 yards. That's his on pace right now. He's got 13, 13 on the season through 12 weeks. He's insane.

[PFT Commenter]

I need him to do it and I need to do it in 16 games, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's got 11 consecutive games, 75 plus yards.

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty incredible. He's always open downfield and the Seahawks offense is just designed to get the ball downfield. This is why I love the Seahawks. They're fun. Not only are they a great team defensively, but they have maybe the best receiver in the NFL. Sam Darnold's playing out of his mind. They got two running Backs who. I don't even know how to describe them. It's like sometimes one guy will be good.

[Big Cat]

You can't figure out who's going to be good or who's going to get coal line carries or one of the.

[PFT Commenter]

Two of them will have a good game.

[Big Cat]

Usually it is. I actually kind of appreciate that they are back to when. Remember when running back by committee became a thing and it just pissed off everyone.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Panthers just.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it made people so mad. Who's going to get the touches? All this stuff. It feels like we don't. We all kind of got accustomed to it. The, the. The Seahawks do it in a hilarious way that just fucks over anyone who is wagering or has fantasy football.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's all about whoever has the first big play. That's the guy that's going to end up with 13 carries and then the other guy is going to end up with seven carries. Yeah, that's kind of how they split it out. They wait to see who has that first breakout moment. But when you really reach the level of like elite troll head coach is when you get that third guy in the mix. Like the Panthers had Tolbert.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

That would, that would come out, sure. Yeah. And you know, the other guys would have like, like 70 yards and 40 yards rushing. Tolbert would have like three yards and two touchdowns. That's when you reach that next nirvana level of. Of troll.

[Big Cat]

The this. So Ken Ward actually played pretty well in this game given the fact that Seahawks are really good defense. Seahawks actually. Defensively, I was surprised that they weren't able in the fourth quarter or it was a little bit of third quarter as well. Cam Ward went on two touchdown drives. They covered the spread. They tried to stop him. They kept on getting in fourth and longs. Cam Ward kept on making crazy plays. If you're a Titans fan, this was a. Cam Ward looked good. I'm happy day.

[PFT Commenter]

He had the one throw across his body that worked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Where he was like falling out of bounds and threw it all the way.

[PFT Commenter]

He's done like six of those this season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He is the league leader in throwing across his body in situations that you should not do it but actually having it work out. And he does it almost every week. His what you want to talk about the Bengals wide receivers. Max. Keep that same energy for the Titans wide receivers. Can you name. Here's a fun game. Can you name a Tennessee Titans wide receiver?

[Big Cat]

Well, I know Xavier Strepo made his debut because the Miami Connection.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Calvin Ridley's hurt.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

You got trailing.

[Max]

Burke's not on the team anymore.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Max]

I got. I, I got.

[PFT Commenter]

I do.

[Max]

I have nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. Do you have anyone?

[E]

Is A.O. meyer hurt?

[PFT Commenter]

I did not have a catch today.

[E]

He might be hurt.

[Max]

I'm not gonna lie. I didn't watch much of this, this football game.

[PFT Commenter]

Nor should you. Yeah, like I'm not, I'm not judging you for this at all.

[Big Cat]

Titans did have the chance with an onside kick. It was a little bit closer in the end and it wasn't a full, full blowout that people were expecting.

[PFT Commenter]

But when you're up 16 to 3 against the Titans, it does feel like it's. Yeah, you've got them buried.

[Big Cat]

That's why I was, I was impressed. I was impressed by Cam Ward because it did feel like the Seahawks had him in this perfect pin. Your years back just rushed to pass it for the entire fourth quarter and Cam Ward did enough. I mean it does, it doesn't look good ever with the, with the Titans, but he makes it work because. Yeah, he has no one to throw to.

[Max]

I think Van Jefferson is the only name that I know on this besides the running backs.

[PFT Commenter]

Chamira. Dk.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He had a nice punt return for a touchdown. That was big. Titans. Every single Titans game has something like that. Like a. Either a special teams or pick six or some. Some crazy play.

[PFT Commenter]

They're big miscue team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Miscues happen in Titans games. College football plays happen in Titans games.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean the Titans are looking good now for that first overall pick. They're gonna try to trade back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they have to because again, Cambord looked good today.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's all you're hoping for.

[Big Cat]

And Vandy could maybe go to the playoff.

[PFT Commenter]

Be huge. And Pavia, if he beats Tennessee, who knows?

[Big Cat]

Jeremiah Love is the answer to that. Jeremiah Love should be the Heisman. I think we all can agree as unbiased ball watchers. Jeremiah Love, best player in college football.

[PFT Commenter]

If it's not going to be Carson Beck and who knows, anything can happen.

[Big Cat]

Here you go. Pavia's mom, she is. She's out there doing it. She's. She's just in every. Everything.

[PFT Commenter]

That's okay. Yeah, that's okay. To have mom.

[Big Cat]

She's enjoying the hell out of.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That are, you know, making a case for their sons, trying to protect their sons. That's completely normal.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if it's same as Jaden Daniels when she's walking around Theo Vaughn all the time and doing the Heisman pose into camera truck in the fourth quarter. But. But, hey, this. Could I. What I love about Diego Pavia is I think he. He and his family realized that this might not be a NFL thing. Enjoy the fuck out of what they got going on right now.

[PFT Commenter]

He's the ultimate college football quarterback.

[Big Cat]

What are you guys laughing about? Share with the class. Oh, can't share that.

[PFT Commenter]

We don't have to read it. Never mind. Wait, wait, let me read it.

[Big Cat]

You can't. You can't share that. That. Do not share that with the class.

[PFT Commenter]

That's just a mean tweet. But, you guys, where did you even find that tweet?

[Big Cat]

You guys agreed Jeremiah Love should be the Heisman, right? We can all agree.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think his stat line is very impressive.

[Big Cat]

Did you guys keep your bets on him? Did anyone else bet him with me?

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't bet him.

[Hank]

I have Carson back.

[Big Cat]

Jesus. That. We're betting as a whole crew.

[Max]

I think you said it before the season, and then after the first game.

[Big Cat]

You were like, it's gonna be hard.

[Hank]

This is.

[Max]

This is his dad.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But then he.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you asked the class, like, should we bet Jeremiah Love?

[Big Cat]

No, I said we were betting Jeremiah Love. I definitely did.

[Hank]

I have Carson back.

[PFT Commenter]

I have Carson Beck, and that's not me. I got Bane from Miami.

[Big Cat]

You think I said Carson back.

[PFT Commenter]

You did say Carson back. Because I said.

[Hank]

I think that was.

[Max]

I thought you said you were the Miami guy.

[PFT Commenter]

I said, I'm. I'm putting a future on Miami. And then you said, I think the play is to do Carson Beck, Heisman.

[Big Cat]

Okay. But Jeremiah Love. I know I said it out loud because I have a lot of people in my mentor.

[Max]

No, you did, you did, you did.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Also Jaylen Daniels.

[E]

Still time.

[Max]

No, I think what you did is you.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Max]

You said Jeremiah Love. But this isn't my official Heisman pick.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right.

[Max]

I think that's what you said.

[Big Cat]

I bet it because you.

[Max]

You went through a phase of, like, this is not my official pick.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Got it. Well, I'm going to be talking a lot about Jeremiah Love for the next week.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll still support that because I don't think that Carson Beck's going to win it.

[Big Cat]

You never know.

[PFT Commenter]

You never know.

[Big Cat]

Just running out of time.

[PFT Commenter]

What if bane has, like, 10 sacks next week and three touchdowns?

[Big Cat]

I think I do. I mean, I think I do have. I probably did bet a little Carson back, but Jeremiah Love was the one I bet before the season.

[PFT Commenter]

Is Carson Beck even on that first sheet?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

It'S not happening. Carson back has.

[Big Cat]

I bet a little John. Oh, so you're totally out on Jeremiah Love. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If you lose one game to Louisville, the writers, they just forget about you for the rest of the year. That's how it works in Carson Beckham.

[Max]

No different.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Ravens 23, Jets 10. Memes. Ravens or Jets? Kind of had them for a half.

[E]

Jets. They're competing.

[Big Cat]

They are. They're playing hard.

[E]

Yeah. They haven't lost the locker room yet. This is just an evaluation time for the Jets. Ravens didn't look good at all.

[Big Cat]

No, they didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Lamar looks stinky of question memes.

[E]

Question.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it time to let Brady Cook.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no.

[E]

He's not an NFL quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

How do you know that?

[E]

I'm sure they would have put him in already.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you?

[E]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

You think the jets have a commitment to starting the best quarterback at quarterback position this year?

[E]

Well, Tyrone was hurt at the time the whole time for the three weeks they were going to start him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[E]

Tyrod didn't look bad because.

[Big Cat]

No, he didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he didn't. But my thought was just like, if you're the jets, you want to. You might as well see what you have, right?

[E]

No, you need to see where you have what you have elsewhere.

[PFT Commenter]

Other positions.

[E]

Yeah. Receiver, like John. John Mechi looked great today. We traded him. We traded for him from the Eagles. He looked good.

[Big Cat]

AD Mitchell.

[E]

AD Mitchell looked good.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[E]

You also have to evaluate the OC.

[Big Cat]

Similar to the Mike Kafka play. You have no problem with Aaron Glenn because the game was 107 and you went for it on 4th and 2 on your own 42 and then didn't get it. Ravens go down, score a touchdown. You. You're fine with that, right?

[E]

Yeah. I mean, the season's over, right.

[Big Cat]

You're just trying to see what you got. And also, I think if the game Every fourth.

[E]

I think if the game mattered, you punt it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think would have done that first half. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the jets, like, they hung around and I don't know. Lamar did not look great.

[E]

No. He's clearly injured.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[E]

The Ravens are. The Ravens are treading water right now.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[E]

And they're away from that.

[Big Cat]

They came back to. To take the lead in the AFC north. And now I agree with you. Like, I wasn't. We'll see what happens on Thursday Night Football, but the Ravens feel like they got all the way back to 6 and 5 and things are, at least from a standings wise, looking good. But are they are they. The Ravens.

[PFT Commenter]

The Ravens have lost. Yes. They've had. They've had a five game winning streak. We all kind of saw this coming. The prophecy foretold that the Ravens would take over first place. They did. But the teams that they beat, there's a reason why we thought that they would come back. The one, the one outlier I would say would be against the Bears. That was a weird game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But besides that Bears game, all their losses that they have on the, on the year are to all the good teams that they played they've yet to beat. Besides, I guess the Bears, a good team, a team that you would. You would lump in that above average.

[Big Cat]

Category that's currently in the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So we're not going to know for.

[Big Cat]

Maybe three more weeks. Like three more weeks until they play the Patriots.

[PFT Commenter]

Until they play the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I had the same takeaway though, memes. I was like, all right, Ravens won. They kind of slept, walked the first half, picked it up in the second half. But Lamar did not look crisp at all.

[E]

No. He was missing a ton of throws. And Zay Flower looks. Zay Flowers looks good. I would probably go running back by.

[PFT Commenter]

Committee if I was the Ravens.

[E]

Oh, I think Derek Henry's time is.

[Big Cat]

I like that take. What did you see today? The thought. I mean, he didn't have. He scored two touchdowns.

[E]

He just does nothing. And all the other running backs are at least explosive.

[Big Cat]

You think you finally hit the wall because it is going to go like that with him.

[E]

I feel like it was like that. That touchdown he scored against the line since then just hasn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I think, I think this is kind of what Derek Henry has been. But now you have an injured Lamar and Derek Henry, if you have like an explosive Lamar that's running the ball, he's way harder to defend.

[E]

But you need an explosive Derek Henry to counteract the injured Lamar.

[PFT Commenter]

One of them has to be explosive.

[E]

Yes. If Derek Henry is explosive, they're money right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. If Lamar is explosive, their money right now.

[E]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

And Derek Henry would probably look better.

[E]

Correct. But there are. Their other running backs look better too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No, you're not wrong. I, I don't think that the Ravens offense has been good. I think that they've been like way, way below expectation for the last even it like their entire winning streak that they've been on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Keep. Mitchell only had two carries today. He had 10 yards. The Derrick Henry's just averaging average three yards of carry today. Yeah. Just the whole offense doesn't look like, it has that pop. No.

[E]

They should probably fire Tom Monkin. Why I don't send him back down to Georgia. Be an offensive analysis.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, interesting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, interesting. Okay, you see, there was another Georgia player.

[E]

Yeah, he was third string.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so what, is he now going to be first string?

[E]

He's an X player. He's kicked off the.

[PFT Commenter]

If he was.

[Big Cat]

It's just crazy that it happens to Georgia like this.

[PFT Commenter]

How many. How many players that were first string got kicked off the team?

[E]

We're focused on this kid who got.

[Big Cat]

At some point, you just need to get like. Yeah. Unlimited Ubers for Georgia players.

[E]

There's probably a speed trap down there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, probably. I'm sure that the, the police in Athens, Georgia are looking to try to. To. To arrest Georgia football players.

[E]

Yeah, it's probably some soccer geek.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Jealous. Jealous of Kirby.

[Big Cat]

I have nothing else on this game. I didn't. I have to say I didn't. I didn't pay much attention to this game other than when I saw the Ravens on offense. Like, oh, Lamar just doesn't. He just doesn't have that explosiveness that it's like missing something. It looks like a little off. Looks like his power has been zapped a little bit. And it's the injuries.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, the only thing is that this is so much different from any Ravens team that we've seen in the last, like in the Lamar era.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean?

[PFT Commenter]

Where they haven't been good offensively. Yeah, but they're somehow on top of the division. The defense still looks like they're. They're back. The defense is fully back for the Ravens. So if Lamar can get healthy, I think then the Ravens can be a scary team in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but.

[PFT Commenter]

But he's not healthy, so I don't know. I don't know what he's dealing with right now. If it's still the hamstring, maybe this is the Lamar on Thanksgiving is going to be a bad, bad scene for all the toilets.

[Big Cat]

Maybe this is the. The way the Ravens have to do it where Lamar, you can't be a disappointment in the play. Right. If you are not playing at MVP caliber level in the regular season.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. And these are all kind of playoff games.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

For Lamar.

[Big Cat]

If he just elevates, though, when the playoffs do start, then it's like, whoa, yeah. Okay, let's take a break. We'll talk some afternoon games. You got a couple ads. PFT.

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[Big Cat]

Okay. Afternoon games. Cowboys 24, Eagles 21. The largest comeback. Tied for the largest comeback in Cowboys history. What a game. Down 21. Nothing like that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy. Dak looked off in the first half, had a bad interception in the end zone. Things didn't look Eagles look good.

[Big Cat]

Awesome. Throwing the ball everywhere. Jalen Hurts to AJ Brown, who's clearly a focus in the first quarter. Go up 21 nothing. Think it's going to be a cruise victory. Kelly Green uniforms. And then A.J.

[PFT Commenter]

Brown was happy. Yeah, feeding him early.

[Big Cat]

He was. They were dominating. And then something happened because the Cowboys through defense, which was the best defense the Cowboys have played all year in that second half through Dak and George Pickens. George Pickens was 9 for 9 for 146 yards and a touchdown. So he had nine targets. He caught nine balls. He catches everything.

[PFT Commenter]

And their special teams was really good, too, for the Cowboys.

[Big Cat]

Special teams. Good.

[PFT Commenter]

Very good.

[Big Cat]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

And if I'm watching this game, I'm thinking two things. One, great win for the Cowboys. Great, great win. They look to be out of it. They fought back. The defense looks to be as fixed as the defense can get for the Cowboys. Overstone coming back. Yeah. Quinn Williams is awesome. And overstone coming back definitely helps. And then the second thing I thought watching this game was, this sucks for the Bears.

[Big Cat]

Oh, big time.

[PFT Commenter]

Because the Eagles.

[Big Cat]

Big time.

[PFT Commenter]

If they had won, you could catch them sleeping on Black Friday.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

They're going to be wide awake.

[Big Cat]

This is.

[PFT Commenter]

This is a game that they're gonna. They're gonna. No one's taking a day off next week. I don't care if it's Thanksgiving, if. If anyone has travel. No, you're coming in the office. You're working hard. You're watching extra film. If you're the Eagles.

[Big Cat]

So bad.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The Chicago Bears are on notice.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Big Cat]

It was a. I wanted the. The Eagles to win this game.

[PFT Commenter]

I know.

[Big Cat]

I was like, holy. I want him to win it easily. Yeah, but what a comeback. Max. Max.

[Max]

Yeah. No, that was pretty bad.

[Hank]

Bad.

[Max]

That was the. There's a lot of things that were. That almost every facet of this game after the first quarter was bad.

[Big Cat]

I love when you take deliberate pauses because you know that you have to watch what you say, knowing that the deliberate pauses will become less and less. And when you finally say what you want to say, you're going to. You're going to yell. You're going to get your hands. He's not going to. You're gonna get your hands out. You're gonna say what you want to say. So say it.

[Max]

The offense looks bad. Looks super bad. After the first quarter, you thought you figured something out and you were spamming A.J. brown, you're spamming Devonte Smith. What everyone wanted you to do for so long now. And then we stopped doing that. I guess we can't run the football, which is a huge problem. I don't know how. It's basically the same offense as last year with almost the same players. And for some reason, last year, we were the best rushing team, like, in the history of the NFL. And this year, we fucking suck at running the football. And, like, we would go through this last year. Like, you go up early and then you just. You say Quan Barkley, and you just end the game. Like, we would just do the Thing where when we were up we would just go on 10 minute drives and just end the fucking football game. Now Saquon Barkley is running for like a yard and a half a carry and I don't know whether it's his fault or I don't know whether the offensive line just sucks, but we can't run the football anymore. There are so many stupid fucking penalties today. The amount of times that that offense would make a big play look like they were building something again in the second half and then there was a stupid fucking penalty which didn't affect the fucking play at all. That would bring back a good offensive chunk. And then you're just playing like 1st and 25 the entire fucking time. The penalties are a joke. The run game is a joke. I don't like people keep saying the play calling. I don't watch film. I am not smart at football code. I don't know where, I don't know what they should be doing. I'm not. It's their job to figure it out. Not my job. But I do know know that 0 points after the, basically after the first quarter is really bad. If you score, if you score some points, you probably win that game.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Max]

Jake Kelly makes and Xavier Gibbs. Let the ball go to the end zone. I said I wasn't gonna yell. Let the ball go to the end zone. Basically let the ball go to the end zone. It's so simple. It's so simple. You caught the ball at the one yard line and he fumbled it like a loser.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit as dumb football fans, which we all are, are. I think in some circumstances you gotta just be dumb about it. Just say run the football.

[Big Cat]

But they can't, they can't run, but.

[PFT Commenter]

They gotta keep trying. You can't give up on it, but you can't. You're like giving up on it because you're afraid A.J. brown's gonna be like, oh, offense is a show.

[Max]

I don't know if that's the answer. Saquon was 10 for 22 today.

[PFT Commenter]

10, 10 for 22 and they were up how much?

[Big Cat]

But they can't run.

[PFT Commenter]

You gotta keep trying. You got to keep trying to run the football match.

[Max]

But that's insanity. If you can't do it and you keep trying to do do it, then that's fucking insanity. Figure out how to, how to do it. That's the answer. Figure, why can't we run the fucking football? We got to figure out how to run the Football.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Max]

That's what. That's what has to be done. It has to be done. This team cannot go anywhere if we're running for 2.2 yards per carry.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Max]

And the deep. And we asked so much of the defense. We asked way too much of the defense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. The Eagles first three drives had 192 yards, and then the next. Next eight drives in the game, they had 107 yards. It just went. It went completely. The. The last eight drives was four punts, a missed field goal, a fumble, a fumbled punt, and then there was one, you know, end a half. It's bad. Yeah, but you're 8 and 3. Doesn't 8 and 3 feel good?

[Max]

No. No.

[Memes]

How.

[Big Cat]

It feels good for me.

[PFT Commenter]

How does this feel being 8 and 3 right now compared to 2 seasons ago?

[Max]

Not as bad as 2 seasons ago.

[Big Cat]

No. Your defense is still very good.

[Max]

We have, like, the defense is very good. It got super banged up today, which sucks.

[Big Cat]

But I also. I think you do know football because you were saying when you were up 21 nothing in the second half, you're like, this is not over. I would. You said out loud. You're like, if. If. If anyone's listening to this, like, non Eagles fans, like, the live bet at the Cowboys is not a bad bet bet.

[Hank]

Also, just quick, quick observation about, you know, what. What it looks like when we're watching these games. In. In the cave, Max talked. Couldn't stop talking, I think, for the first quarter.

[Big Cat]

Oh, my God. He was the happiest boy you've ever seen. The second he was making plans, he was joking, asking people about their weekend.

[Hank]

Just did not stop speaking.

[Big Cat]

It basically was like watching someone on drugs. You watch someone on drugs when the Eagles are winning and it's like, like, oh, man, this guy took, like. What did he take? Some mix of, like, ecstasy and coke. Just a lot of beers. And then. And then the second half starts like, oh, did you just do heroin? Like, why isn't he talking anymore?

[PFT Commenter]

He becomes the small talk king.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

After a win.

[Big Cat]

Oh, what'd you do this week after.

[PFT Commenter]

When he's going up to, like, everybody? That's. It could be just like a custodian that's going through the office, emptying the trash, being like, hey, what's up? What's your name? Where are you from? You got any kids? That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

He did admit it. He said it. And he caught himself in the middle of the first half. He's like, I'm talking too much. It's because The Eagles are winning. I'm just so happy. And then it just nosedive.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, you. Do you put any blame on the refs for this game?

[Max]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

You gotta run the ball.

[Max]

You gotta run the ball. You gotta run like. You gotta just be better, usually. You gotta play better football.

[PFT Commenter]

Play better football. And that's every guy. Yeah, every guy out there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

The entire team. Like, the entire team had some sort of. Some sort of blame in this game. Zach Vaughn, I mean, he's got a. He made a great play on a ball catch. Football, dude. It's right here. It hit you in the face.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, I got a question for you, too.

[Big Cat]

We.

[PFT Commenter]

We love watching football games with you because you are. You're just the most demonstrative guy that we got. Every good thing that happens is the best. Every bad thing that happens is the worst. You contort your body into, like, little baby forms, and you, like, sit crisscross applesauce, and you start screaming. It's great. I. I love what. You're very entertaining to watch. Can you walk me through you pulling your heels over your head and grabbing your ankles as you're about to get decked down?

[Big Cat]

I. I said it looked like you were getting into the stirrups at, like, an OB gyn.

[PFT Commenter]

It was just.

[Big Cat]

That's what you looked like.

[PFT Commenter]

You just spread. You just spread them. For some reason, I. I wasn't sure what that was about, but when it happened, me and Big Cat just looked at each other like, I love Mac.

[Big Cat]

You're so flexible. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy.

[Big Cat]

You're a big baby, and I mean that in the nice way.

[Max]

I don't. I don't know. I don't think about anything. It's just. It's just like an involuntary reaction. Everything that I do, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

Big game, Max. Yeah, he does that.

[Big Cat]

I got you spitting everywhere.

[Max]

I'm always spitting.

[Big Cat]

He always spit.

[PFT Commenter]

You yelling at Meek.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, Meek deserves it.

[PFT Commenter]

He does.

[Big Cat]

He absolutely deserves it. He. He deserves that and more. The Cowboys. Cowboys.

[Max]

Cowboys are good, dude.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Cowboys are good. That offense is electric. George Pickens again. Again. Nine targets, nine catches. He catches everything. They can run the ball. Cd. CD still has, like, a couple of weird drops a game, but he. They're just matchup problems everywhere. Jake Ferguson and then their defense, which was one of the worst in the league. Quinn and Williams gets traded for. Did Jerry do it again or did Jerry do it again? Because since Quinn and Williams has joined the Cowboys, their run defense has allowed 30 carries for 90 rushing yards. That's pretty damn good. Just one of those 30 runs gone for 10 plus yards. They have. It's. They're. They're doing something right and they, they're not out of it. Which is crazy to say like the Cowboys are. They have a tough game against the Chiefs on Thanksgiving Day, but the Cowboys are absolutely not out of the playoff hunt. And everyone thought they were one of the worst teams, especially after that Cardinals loss on Monday Night Football. And here they are. And Brian Schottenhammer, you. You see the, the post game locker room, he's got these boys believing. It's. It's crazy. I did not think the Cowboys would be back in it like this.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I, I didn't either. You're. You're right. It's Quinn and Williams and Overshone getting back and the defense has just changed now. I don't know if, if Iber Floose is doing anything different from a scheme perspective, but with those two dudes in, it does seem like if the, if the Cowboys can have that average defense, they can be a very, very scary team because the offense is not going anywhere. Dak is playing maybe the best that he's ever played throughout his career. And just having Pickens as an option downfield is a cheat code for him.

[E]

The.

[Big Cat]

So the cow looking at the Cowboys schedule, the problem is in the NFC, you might. The NFC might be a league where 10 wins doesn't get you into the playoffs, which is crazy to say, but it's. It's pretty crowded. That tie, that tie. So they have the Chiefs and Lions the next two games. If they go one and one there and they can win. The last four games are very like four winnable games. Vikings at home, Chargers at home, at Commanders at Giants. That could be a what, 10, six and one team?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if it will be enough to get in.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they could do it. If they say healthy, I think they can do it. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean their offense keeps them in every game. And now that they have a defense that can actually play, it's, you got dacked.

[PFT Commenter]

You got Dax.

[Big Cat]

You got dacked.

[PFT Commenter]

I would not want to play the Cowboys in the playoffs.

[Max]

He wanted to throw that second pick so bad.

[Big Cat]

So bad. Football so bad.

[Max]

He tried to. He almost threw three. He got 12 men on the field on the max.

[PFT Commenter]

Does this make you think back on the Kelly Green on the road idea.

[Big Cat]

You guys looked cool.

[Max]

It started off like, like, it was like Kelly Green saved the season.

[Big Cat]

You're eating three.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait. It start off like they say the.

[Max]

Offense is what I meant to say.

[Big Cat]

You're eight and two going into this game.

[Max]

I meant to say off.

[Big Cat]

Are you panicked at all?

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

What happens if you lose on Friday to the Bears?

[Max]

I'm going. I'll be there. So if I lose.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

I might not come home. I might, I might just live in the stadium.

[Hank]

Probably get that arranged.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you probably know somebody.

[Max]

I mean, seven point, seven point favorites got to win that game.

[Big Cat]

Big Dom looked good watching Tom Brady and A.J. brown throw the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

They looked like they had a great time pregame.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Are you gonna see Big Dom on Friday?

[Max]

I don't know. I haven't, I haven't spoken to him.

[Hank]

Pretty look good.

[PFT Commenter]

Did he?

[Big Cat]

But are you a little activated Big Dom?

[Hank]

Oh, yeah. He activated A.J.

[Zach]

Brown.

[Big Cat]

A.J. brown and softened Devonte Smith. I, I'm gonna say this as I, I'm sure someone will say you're way wrong, but I think they're the two coolest cleat wearers in the NFL. Every game they got a new pair of cleats that look cool.

[Max]

That one catch from. That catch from devonte Smith was so sick too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Just ruined. That first quarter was so awesome. The offense was so bad.

[Big Cat]

Back was hub.

[Max]

I was, I, I was like, I was thinking. I was, I was like, soupy, we're going, we're going back. We're going back to back Soupy. The offense is fixed. The defense is elite. Best team ever. And then just absolutely.

[Big Cat]

That's when you were chit chatting, asking, you know, like, how's your. Oh, how's your sister doing? How's your mom doing? Oh, yeah, you got a new dog.

[Hank]

Oh, you making anything for Thanksgiving?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm making stuffing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, what are you doing? You do with your stuffing? Oh, here's what I got in my recipe.

[Max]

None of these, none of these conversations.

[Big Cat]

Existed, you know, one conversation yard work this week.

[PFT Commenter]

We did have one conversation that did exist, Max. At the end of the first half. I was like, that's a bad touchdown you guys just gave up to the Cowboys. That's going to haunt you. And then you, you poo pooed me a little bit.

[Big Cat]

You poo pooed.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you poo poo?

[Max]

What did I say?

[Big Cat]

Did you do any poo pooing?

[PFT Commenter]

You, you were like, yeah, obviously. I, I wish that we didn't give up. Up a touchdown there. Nice job, genius.

[Max]

No, you just, you. All you said was. All you said was, I. I bet you wish you didn't give up that touchdown.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not. Well I would bet that.

[Max]

I would bet that it was like the most obvious. It was. Imagine you. You just did Magic Johnson.

[PFT Commenter]

It was a bad.

[Max]

You did Magic Johnson in my face. You're like giving up. Touchdowns are bad.

[PFT Commenter]

It was bad. Touchdown.

[Big Cat]

Did you poo poo?

[PFT Commenter]

He poo pooed me.

[Max]

No, I. I agreed with you. I was like, yes, that, yes, I would prefer not to give up touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

In a sarcastic.

[PFT Commenter]

It was very sarcastic. He was like, okay, genius. And then I was like, yeah, all right. So who gets the ball in the second half of. Max was like, we do. Bet you wish that I had said the Cowboys do.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[PFT Commenter]

And I was like, okay, Magic Johnson. No, but.

[Max]

But the way that you asked.

[PFT Commenter]

You were like, oh, listen, Max, I don't like the Eagles or the Cowboys.

[Hank]

Second largest blown lead in team history.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't have a dog in that fight match.

[Big Cat]

It was tied for the largest comeback by the Cowboys ever. Wow. It's crazy. It's crazy game. He just needed three more points.

[Max]

I mean, not technically, no.

[Big Cat]

Technically, no.

[PFT Commenter]

But still it felt.

[Big Cat]

Hit it. Less poo pooing and three more points. You even got a Brandon Aubrey missed field goal.

[Max]

But we also missed a field goal.

[Big Cat]

Right, but Brandon Aubrey doesn't miss field goals.

[Max]

Jake Elliott doesn't miss field goals either.

[Big Cat]

Brandon Aubrey doesn't miss field goals more. All right. Right. Got you.

[PFT Commenter]

Checkmate.

[Big Cat]

Got you there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Max, how do you fix the ground game?

[Max]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

You've established you have to do.

[Big Cat]

But you have injuries on the offensive line. That's. I say that's probably part of it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's Elaine Johnson.

[Max]

But even with Lane, like, we haven't been running the ball all year, we can't run the football. I. I don't know the answer. I am not a coach. I am not a smart football guy. They need to figure it out because it's got to be figured out or else his team's.

[Big Cat]

I mean, and it's their job.

[Max]

They have to figure it out.

[Big Cat]

Literally their job to figure it out.

[Max]

They gotta figure.

[Big Cat]

You gotta press the button. They gotta fucking run the football. Yeah. We all got jobs to do. Yeah. What do you say? Memes Tank Bigsby. Oh, interesting. More Tank.

[E]

Tank is good trade for Tank Bigsby. He does have explosive runs when he is in. Do you get more carries?

[Big Cat]

Do you think Jalen Hurst played well today?

[Max]

I mean, Jalen hurts. Can't win. Jalen hurt.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm asking. I. I think he played fine.

[Max]

I thought he. Yeah, he was fine and he Had a. And he had a bunch of big plays that got called back for penalties.

[Hank]

That.

[Max]

I don't know. There's penalties that I don't know what they're happening while they're happening, but they're. But they are like ineligible. Being marked as ineligible and then lining up against. Against a receipt. I don't know what any of that means, but I do know that it doesn't affect the play. So stop doing stupid like that. That take back big plays. That's what I'm talking about.

[Big Cat]

Like a holding that stops us.

[Max]

That's what I'm saying. It's stupid like that. 12 men on the field because you just. Some guy's late getting off. That takes an interception. It's so stupid. But I don't. You figure it out. I. That's all I have to say. You figure it out.

[Big Cat]

You guys. Guys.

[Max]

They have to figure it out.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not your job.

[Max]

It's not my job. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

You're doing your job right now. You're telling them to figure it out.

[Max]

I guess it's technically. Yeah, this is technically my job.

[Big Cat]

You are doing your job. By the way, Dak Prescott passed Tony Romo for most passing yards in Cowboy franchise history.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. Good for dad.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty cool. He was. He was lights out in the. I mean, he did. He did. He was trying to throw another pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Can I. Can I say something off the record?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, please.

[PFT Commenter]

Off the record.

[Big Cat]

Record.

[PFT Commenter]

Dax, kind of win me over this year. I'm starting to feel like a little bit bad about just hating Dak Prescott, and I don't like that feeling. I want to continue to hate him. I want to continue to have all the anti Cowboys bias in the entire world. But he's playing so good and he seems like such a good dude. Besides, when he was on the show. I'm having a hard time keeping the hate up. I need.

[Big Cat]

I need.

[Max]

He kept trying to throw picks today.

[Big Cat]

Do you know what it was trying to throw? He's not only playing really, really well this year, but we also having Zach Martin in studio and Zach Martin is the man. He's saying vouching for Dak is. Yeah, he vouched for Dak and was like, I bet you if you came back on, you'd have a good time. Yeah, that, that. It's Zach Martin's fault. Why'd you do that to us, Zach?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like it.

[Big Cat]

Zach made us like Dak.

[PFT Commenter]

I gotta get my hate back up for that. Yeah, I don't feel like myself without it.

[Big Cat]

Zach made us.

[PFT Commenter]

I need Hank to start rooting for him again.

[Big Cat]

Again.

[PFT Commenter]

That would.

[Big Cat]

Max, what do you think about this Dak love that's going on right now?

[Max]

I mean, he. He tried to this game up a million times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did. That was a bad throw.

[Max]

Yeah. I mean, he got bailed out for guy 12 men on the field doing.

[Big Cat]

Maybe 12 men on the field. That's why he threw it.

[Max]

But nor that would make sense if it was like a deep ball.

[Big Cat]

He's like, just get rid of getting.

[Max]

Hit then throw it away.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, because there's a flag, so you might as well just throw it.

[Max]

Throw it? What does that even.

[Big Cat]

There's a flag.

[PFT Commenter]

Never know.

[Max]

But that wasn't like. That wasn't even kind of a savvy.

[PFT Commenter]

Move, but you might as well just see.

[Max]

What about this one?

[Big Cat]

That one? Your guy's got to catch up.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Zach Bond's got to catch that.

[Max]

It was. He threw it right fucking to him. He tried. I mean, he. He tried to do big. Big stupid Dak picks all game and we just weren't doing them. It literally hit Zach Bond in the face.

[Big Cat]

Are you worried that people are saying that big game Max does not have it anymore?

[Max]

I've only had big games. The Eagles have only been in big games this year.

[Big Cat]

That's true. That's facts.

[Hank]

Is Black Friday a big game?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's big game Max versus Big Gay Dan.

[Hank]

The game's at 2 o'.

[Big Cat]

Clock.

[Max]

Not. That's just not true.

[Big Cat]

The game is at 2:00'. Clock.

[Hank]

That just changed.

[Big Cat]

Max's where. No.

[Max]

No, it's not.

[Big Cat]

You think.

[PFT Commenter]

You think that Black Friday games are at night because Black Friday.

[Big Cat]

The game.

[Max]

The game. I will be at the game. It'll be three o'.

[PFT Commenter]

Clock.

[Big Cat]

We're talking about the. The time here where we're sitting right now. It's at 2 o'. Clock.

[Max]

What.

[Big Cat]

But what is it?

[Max]

It's the only game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So it's a big game.

[Big Cat]

I just asked.

[Max]

You don't understand big games.

[Big Cat]

You're saying you've all.

[Max]

You've played Mitchell Tinsley.

[Big Cat]

Dude, that's what that was your today.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a good chance you play Joe Flacco.

[Max]

You played the duo of Joe Flacco and Mitchell Tinsley and won by six.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Max]

You were begging to lose.

[Big Cat]

That game rules.

[Hank]

Jalen hurts. I don't.

[Max]

Joe Flacco is 65 years old.

[Big Cat]

He wasn't gonna yell. I.

[PFT Commenter]

You. You're.

[Big Cat]

I He's. He's right. Good luck.

[E]

Good luck.

[Max]

On Monday Night football against the two you piece of.

[Big Cat]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Hank]

That's a big game. It's solo game, right?

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Big Cat]

That's a big game.

[PFT Commenter]

Two playoff teams. Yeah, big game.

[E]

The.

[Max]

The Eagles are eight and three. They're playing an eight and three team.

[Big Cat]

Say their name.

[Max]

And it's the only game.

[Big Cat]

Say their name.

[Max]

It's the Bears 7.8.

[Hank]

Wait, so was today a big game?

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean it's cow. It's Cowboys, Eagles big. It's always a big. It was the big game game. You have a winning record. It's big a Max.

[Max]

The Cowboy. The Cowboys would smoke you guys right now. Oh.

[Big Cat]

Oh, well you want it? If you're a man, you'd set it up.

[PFT Commenter]

Anybody? Time anywhere.

[Big Cat]

Get that thing on the schedule.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's get a neutral. A neutral field line. Cowboys, Patriots.

[Max]

I don't know how to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

I got my. Well, you just say a number. Oh, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say the Cowboys will be favored by one and a half points.

[Big Cat]

No, I think the Patriots would be favored two points. Two and a half points. I like the Jacks be under a.

[PFT Commenter]

Field goal or is that Max looking it up on.

[Big Cat]

You're thinking AI is going to give it to us here? I'll. I'll.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, text.

[Big Cat]

I'll text one of my guys. I'll text one of my guys. Do you do have the Raiders in two weeks? Max, then you, then you, then big game Max can take a break off off for a week.

[Max]

I, I. Yeah but it, it's even then like we. The Bear. The Bears this week and then the Charger like the Chargers week after is also like that's not a gimme. The Raiders will be nice. If we lose to the Raiders, then I just quit.

[PFT Commenter]

You quit?

[E]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you quit?

[Max]

Everything.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't lose.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'll get us an answer.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not a. That's not a big game.

[Big Cat]

I. That's Cowboys.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots would be favorite.

[Big Cat]

Eagles.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots.

[Big Cat]

I think they would be favored. I mean who neutral field. Who have they. They have any common opponents but the.

[Max]

Cowboys Are the Cowboys better now than they were.

[PFT Commenter]

They're different, of course.

[Big Cat]

I'm just trying to go. I'm just trying to. I don't even think they have any neutral.

[Hank]

Did they play the Steelers this year?

[Big Cat]

Did the Cowboys. Yeah, the Cowboys did not. You're thinking of last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, tell me. See, the Cowboys have played a lot of really good teams. So I don't know that they'd have any common. Oh, they played the Jets.

[Big Cat]

They didn't play the Jets.

[PFT Commenter]

They beat the Jets 37 to 22. What was your score against the Jets?

[Max]

Not Cowboys.

[Hank]

Beating them by more. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[E]

That we're a different team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, true.

[PFT Commenter]

Have you played the car?

[Big Cat]

Okay, worse memes.

[Max]

One of the.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Max]

What have you got one worst team on the podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

I got. I got one. I actually have a common opponent. So this is actually good because it's the recent Cowboys. The Cowboys beat the Raiders 33 to 16. Hank, how much did you beat the Raiders by?

[Hank]

Oh, we actually lost by the Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so we'll. I'm gonna get another. I'm gonna get a number for us. All right, let's go to the next game. Browns 24, Raiders 10. Shedusi should Dussy.

[PFT Commenter]

Should I see Was the Shadowsy game? Great 60 yard throw by Shadasi and then an awesome 66 yard touchdown pass. Pass by Shador Sanders.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, it was a screen pass, but sure hit him in stride against all odds, scoring a touchdown.

[Big Cat]

He also said before the game, I'm who they've been looking for.

[PFT Commenter]

He said that before the game.

[Big Cat]

Before the game he said, I'm who they've been looking for. What he wanted. And they asked him what he wants to show Cleveland fans. I'm who they've been looking for. Then after the game he said, imagine what a full off season looks like. It gets. Gets dangerous.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

He said, this is one week of practice.

[PFT Commenter]

I have a.

[Big Cat]

Imagine what a full off season looks like. It gets dangerous.

[PFT Commenter]

I have a. I have a real take here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Miles Garrett should be the MVP if he breaks the all time sacks record, which it looks like he's going. He's on pace to break, slash, smash it, shatter that. He had three sacks today. He said 14 sacks in his last three games. Is that correct? His last four games.

[Big Cat]

14 in his last four games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That can't be right. Is it? I know he has 18 right now. He has 18. I know he had four last week, so. Yeah, maybe it is.

[E]

He had one against the jets and.

[PFT Commenter]

Then he had four, so that's probably not right. Then I probably misread that stat somewhere.

[Big Cat]

Either way, he's. He. So that was. He has now hit his career high in sacks, but there's six games left.

[PFT Commenter]

The take overall stands. I feel like he should get MVP consideration, so.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. You just said he should win mvp.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you can't walk that back, I think.

[Big Cat]

Right. A stop for the take. You can't walk it back, say with your chest.

[PFT Commenter]

If he ends the season with. If he gets what, 20, let's say 25 sacks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that would smash it. That'd be smashing it.

[PFT Commenter]

He should be the MVP. If he gets 24, probably should still be. Be the MVP. If you compare the last defensive MVP, which is Lawrence Taylor, he had 20 and a half sacks in 16 games. Five passes defended, two forced fumbles. Those were his stats when he won the mvp. Granted, he was on crack when he did that, which is like an added level of expertise. If Miles Garrett does all this on the Browns, that's equivalent to Lawrence Taylor doing it on crack.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Dave. I mean, he's insane. He has. He. You were right. So he has 14. No, no. Yeah. 14 sacks. Let me see. I'm bad at numbers. Yeah. 14 sacks the last five games.

[PFT Commenter]

14 in the last five.

[Big Cat]

Five games.

[PFT Commenter]

In the last five games. Pretty incredible run that he's on right now. Just.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they rested dominant. Gino was sacked 10 times.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, Gino's not good. But. But it wasn't just Gino not being good. It was Miles Garrett just being in his. The entire defense.

[Big Cat]

Miles Garrett got Chip Kelly fired. He got fired, like right after the game. You're like, yeah, we. We got to get rid of Chip Kelly.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think Tom Brady was consulted on that?

[Big Cat]

Pro I. He might have been the one who fired.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, was Tom Brady. Was he going to.

[Big Cat]

They probably sent him a text. They're like, hey, Gino got sacked 10 times.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a good chance that Tom lost.

[Big Cat]

The Brown.

[PFT Commenter]

That Tom didn't watch the game because he was. He was commentating on the Eagles Cowboys game.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then he got on a private jet to leave and then fired chip Kelly from 40,000ft in the air. He drone striked him.

[Big Cat]

I think the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL.

[PFT Commenter]

They're. They're definitely the toughest. Watch.

[Big Cat]

I think they're the worst team in the NFL. Their two wins are against the Titans and the Patriots. They have lost. So they won against Patriots Week one. They've had one win since, and it's not. Not as bad as the Titans are. The Titans are moving the ball a little bit. They're not in the game, but kind of in the game for a little bit. The Raiders are just getting, like, statistically dominated every which way, every single game. I mean, they had that one game against the Jaguars where they were Close. And obviously that Thursday night game against the Broncos, which was ugly, but they. They also had that 31 nothing loss to the Chiefs. They got smoked by the Cowboys. This game was not of. I mean, it's 2410, but it was against a guy who'd never started in the NFL. And the Browns have never won with their, you know, a quarterback start. Having their first start for the Browns and they got dominated. Geno Smith was just sacked 10 times. 10 times.

[PFT Commenter]

He got hit 20 times.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. It was not good and crabby.

[Big Cat]

The Browns defense is awesome. I imagine the Browns having a halfway competent offense for a season. They would be a legitimate team.

[PFT Commenter]

That's all they need. And now, Now Stefanski says he is not committing to a starter for next week yet.

[Big Cat]

Oh, they got to commit to.

[PFT Commenter]

But you just got it. You got to keep it rolling with Shador.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The confidence he has and the way he talks, you almost would have thought he threw for 450 yards. You need somebody like a perfect game.

[PFT Commenter]

You need somebody like Shador. Somebody that's.

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That is just completely irrationally overconfident in himself.

[Hank]

He.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he said, a lot of people want to see me fail. It ain't gonna happen. He is right. A lot of people want to see him fail. I. I love Jordan. The fact that he is just. The amount of takes on both sides is so, so awesome. We need someone like this.

[PFT Commenter]

He has a lightning rod.

[Big Cat]

He's great. It's great.

[PFT Commenter]

And then. And then Dion up there with his big ass cowboy hat in the stands. That was nice to watch. Yeah. What was it? The. The last 17 quarterbacks who've made their first starts for the Browns went winless and then Shador broke the combo.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Eric Zier in 1995 was the last time a Browns quarterback won his first career NFL start.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty for the Browns. That's nuts. And then they showed the graphic on the screen of like the Browns starting quarterbacks since whenever. 45. And the total number of United States presidents. 45. There were. Listen, Browns fans, you know this. Cleveland is a punching bag. All the jokes coming at the quarterback position. When you have somebody that wins a football game, you gotta. You can't then take that person out until they lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, you can't.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't. You have to keep. You're not allowed to let him keep playing football until he loses a game and then you can have the conversation. But whatever happened today, you need that exact same thing to be the next product you See, out on the field until you're proven that it can't work.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And listen, the Browns, they nailed their draft. Their draft. I mean, Mesa Graham is awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Schwessinger.

[Big Cat]

Schwessinger's might be the Quinchon Juckins awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Rookie of the year.

[Big Cat]

Fannin has been good. Isaiah Bond has been good. Dylan Sampson has been good. They like, they're. They're getting contributions from everyone they drafted. It's Browns are. They just. They're just a quarterback. And maybe it's. It. It's not Shador, but maybe it's Shador away for now. For now.

[PFT Commenter]

It's Shador for now.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It'd actually be great if Shador played like pretty well for the rest of the season. Went about 500. And then next year you bring somebody else in to be quarterback, and then everyone gets to demand that Shador plays again. Well, because he's going to get better the more you keep him on the bench. In the fan base's eyes.

[Big Cat]

Did you see who's on the sideline today?

[PFT Commenter]

I did.

[Big Cat]

He's back. He's traveling with the team.

[PFT Commenter]

He might be back. How about this Jerry Judy play, though, though? Yeah, that.

[Big Cat]

That so stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

That dot down the field that Shador threw, and then Judy starts skipping. I don't know what he was doing.

[Big Cat]

I have no idea.

[PFT Commenter]

He started to skip down the field and he lands from a skip, which was. It was a great skip. And gets the ball punched out.

[Big Cat]

What.

[PFT Commenter]

What is going on?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Can somebody explain to me what Jerry Judy was doing? Does anybody have any guesses?

[Big Cat]

I have something.

[Hank]

You knew the guy was behind him.

[Big Cat]

No, I don't. He was ready to.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he was trying to evade.

[Hank]

I'm saying he was ready to make a move.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Hank]

Not knowing there was a guy running.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, he was doing a skip to then do a cut. He was going to go up the.

[Max]

Sideline, I think, but there's three guys there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know.

[Max]

I don't know why he started skipping.

[Big Cat]

I had no idea the guy was behind him. But Hank's right. He did a. He was going to do like a quick skip and then try to bolt.

[PFT Commenter]

Down the sideline or cut to the inside maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. It looked like he was just happy. Like he was overcome with joy during the play. Like, oh, shit, we're throwing the ball downfield. I caught a pass.

[Big Cat]

I get a question. So there's been a lot of talk about Bill Belichick this year.

[PFT Commenter]

There has.

[Big Cat]

And his situation at UNC is He's. He's in a better spot than Pete Carroll. Belichick's teams have been competitive. He's got the love of his life. He gets to go cheerleading.

[PFT Commenter]

Competitive in what sense?

[Big Cat]

They've been very. UNC has been very competitive.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I bowl eligible.

[Big Cat]

No, I know they've. They've. Been. They've been in almost every single game. Like, they've actually played pretty decent football. Like, they. They just. Their offense stinks. But no, if you've been watching unc, like, they have been covering spreads, almost winning game. They almost beat Virginia. Should have beaten Virginia.

[PFT Commenter]

They are a lot better in the second half of the season. They've gotten better.

[Big Cat]

The definition of competitive in these games. He's got the love his life. Chapel Hill, probably very nice place. Gets to where Carolina blue Pete Carroll is coaching. He's same 8 70s. I don't know if it is awesome living in Vegas in your 70s and his team is dog.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that, first of all, we need to put some respect on Jordan's name. I know that there was a lot of discussion about Jordan and her adult cheerleading competition that she was in. We also need to acknowledge the fact that they are world champions, that this is like a very. This is an elite adult cheerleading squad that she put in me for somehow become a part of.

[Big Cat]

We put. I wasn't poop.

[Max]

Well.

[Big Cat]

I poo pooed a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

We were poo pooing hard a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Well, really hard.

[PFT Commenter]

We didn't know that such a thing as adult cheerleading at the time.

[Big Cat]

I think if she didn't have the hair in that cheerleading episode.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, and she's suing Pablo Torre too.

[Big Cat]

She says that'll be the hair is what the discovery guys. Yeah, I'm. You know what? I'm gonna keep poo pooing. I'm gonna keep poo pooing. That part.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't wait for the discovery process.

[Big Cat]

I will say she's been very funny online recently. Very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

She has.

[Big Cat]

She's leaning into it.

[PFT Commenter]

There was also that report that maybe the other members of the Belichick family weren't super happy that maybe one of them laid into Jordan after the game. I'm just saying, let you know. Love. Love.

[Big Cat]

But back to the question. I. I think Pete Carroll's living a worse life right now. I think he's just. How can you be happy? He's. His team is. Is terrible.

[PFT Commenter]

They're very bad.

[Big Cat]

He could have just retired.

[PFT Commenter]

I do. I think that Vegas wouldn't be like the worst place in the world for an older person to live. There's a lot of golf around. Well, you don't have to go down to the Strip. They have buffets. Like dinner buffets that start at 4pm get the early bird special. A lot of shows you can go to. Too Loud bingo everywhere.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

But to visit? Yes. To live. I don't know, I just thought. I was just thinking about it. I think if. If Pete Carroll was dating a 24 year old it would be. We would have similar like laughing at. Because the team again UNC is playing better football than the Raiders are. That's a fact.

[PFT Commenter]

The Raiders are big time bombers to watch and they got rid of all their good wide receivers. It just feels like they don't. This is going to be like a tear down to the absolute studs.

[Big Cat]

I know. I feel bad for Max Crosby. Me put Max Roger on the Browns. Imagine that.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be fun.

[Big Cat]

That'd be so fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Build the entire team out of defense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just never let the other team score. Hey, Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers.

[Max]

You.

[Big Cat]

You say hey, Brock Bowers. We're really sorry how this is going. We're going to try to fix it. Please be patient because you're the only thing we have right now. And Ashton Genti is just. The offensive line is not fair to Ashton Genti. But he is. He's just. It's just not there right now. Even the offensive line is bad.

[PFT Commenter]

The Raiders should almost consider just shutting Ash and Jinty down.

[Big Cat]

All right, I got an answer.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Patriots. Cowboys. My friend Colin Wilson from the Action Network said Patriots by two on a neutral.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty good. Yeah, my sharp.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no.

[Hank]

You said not even close.

[Big Cat]

You said Cowboys favorite.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh yeah, you're right, I did.

[Big Cat]

You were the one who's said Cowboys.

[Hank]

Yeah, You're a Globe.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm a Globe. I am the world. What?

[Big Cat]

That was crazy. I think you're the only one who said Cowboys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I forgot what side I took for a second. I would. I would bet the out of the Cowboys.

[Big Cat]

You went so hard. Recency bias on the Cowboys comeback. You're like they'd be favored over the Patriots.

[Max]

Also just can't ex. I mean, I guess technically if there was like a.

[Big Cat]

Emergency. Emergency.

[Max]

But there are no neutral fields in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, Super Bowl.

[PFT Commenter]

What about the entire International series?

[Hank]

Or any of the other fields?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Stupid.

[Max]

Stupid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you could play any field. Hank's gonna get the game on the. On the books. So we're gonna play the game so he's gonna get the game.

[Max]

I'm excited.

[PFT Commenter]

They should play in Vegas. Like a bowl game. Like, just take the Raiders off the schedule and other teams play there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Raiders are very much in the I do not want to see them play play football anymore camp. Throw them in there with the Titan Titans. I still cam word. Every now and then, we'll do something like, oh, that's fun. Raiders do nothing fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Nothing at all.

[Big Cat]

Zero. Okay, next game, Jaguars at Cardinals. Try as he might. So Jaguars won 27, 24. Try as you might. Trevor Lawrence really, really wanted to throw this game away. Four interceptions, some bad ones. Every time I looked up, it was just another.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought he had three.

[Big Cat]

It was a three.

[PFT Commenter]

I think one. I think one of the picks counted as a fumble.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Because it got, like, stripped out.

[Big Cat]

Okay. So four turnovers. He just. Every time I looked up, he was throwing an interception. And then he comes back and he throws that incredible ball to Parker Washington for the go ahead for the lead. Late in the fourth, Cardinals come down and tie it. But that was. That was a throw. You're like, oh, that's why you keep coming back, throwing them open. But it was. I got to give credit to Jaguars staying resilient after. Again, it's got to be so demoralizing to have that. Those type of turnovers to keep the Cardinals in the game. They win the game, though. The Jaguars are 7 and 4. They're live in the AFC South. They're playing decent football. I'm gonna say decent.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're playing. They're playing tough football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This is. This is the Liam Cohen Let it Rip edition of Trevor Lawrence.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's.

[PFT Commenter]

He's letting it rip. I. I actually think that Trevor Lawrence is kind of a bummer to watch when he's not, like, letting it rip. But when he is, he's so much fun. He's liable to have some weird fumbles, throw really stupid picks. But also, when he's not, like, scared or overthinking things, he will do crazy. That works, too, because he's still a. A very talented dude physically. Like, he's. He's fast when he wants to be. He can move laterally when he wants to. He's got a cannon on his shoulder. He just needs to stop thinking and just let it rip. And when that happens, good things tend to happen. For the Jaguars, they did let it.

[Big Cat]

Rip into a linebacker a couple times.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what happens. When he lets it rip, you let it rip. Lets it rip. Like, take the turnovers. With Trevor, I don't think cost you as much as the upside for the incredible throws that he can make when he's letting it rip. You're gonna get some turnovers and there will be some bad games.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. This game tested that theory big time.

[PFT Commenter]

There will be some bad moments, there'll be some bad games. But when Trevor's is truly letting it rip, I think the good slightly outweighs the bad and it's more exciting. So that's why I want him to let it rip more.

[Big Cat]

The Cardinals, speaking of let it rip, are just saying, hey, Jacoby Brissette, you just throw it a million times a game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which I guess is a strategy. They're not going to win.

[PFT Commenter]

They can't really run the football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's Jacoby Brissette. We said it like he's in theory a great backup. And then he gets in and he might win a game and then he starts losing games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

But it can look good at times because he can. He can run an offense through 49 times today. He keeps just. I don't know what.

[Memes]

Jonathan.

[Big Cat]

I don't really know what the Cardinals are doing other than just let's. Let's finish this season. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So you know what's crazy is I mentioned this during the Boomers, but the Jaguars have now won three games in Pacific time this year. Going into the season, I believe their grand total of wins on Pacific time was 4 ever. I. Let's see. Let me see what this. What the stat was this.

[Big Cat]

Wait.

[PFT Commenter]

This was a sad.

[Big Cat]

Phoenix isn't Pacific time, though, is it?

[PFT Commenter]

I believe that it is.

[Big Cat]

I don't think it is.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, this is the.

[Max]

Arizona always gets weird because of daylight savings.

[PFT Commenter]

This is a stat. Before the season, The Jags were 4 and 16. The Jaguars were 4 and 16 all time in West coast games. 3, 0 this year.

[Big Cat]

Year. That's good. They 3.

[PFT Commenter]

03 but 4. They had won four total of those games.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[PFT Commenter]

In their entire existence as a franchise until the season.

[Big Cat]

Pacific time. Yeah. This game was not in Pacific time.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So this was Mountain time. Mountain time. So the stat was wrong. But I guess west, you can just call it. Call Phoenix. West Coast. It's close enough.

[Hank]

Not Pacific time.

[Big Cat]

Could. Yeah, you'd be wrong, but you could.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's West Coast.

[Big Cat]

It's not west of the Rockies. Definitely not.

[PFT Commenter]

It's west of the Rockies.

[Hank]

So they should put it in Pacific time.

[Big Cat]

Then they should call like Ohio, the East Coast.

[PFT Commenter]

They should. They should call it Hank's Right. What they should call it Pacific time. Arizona needs to make up their mind.

[Max]

They do. They do do weird with.

[Big Cat]

No, they do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So sometimes of the year it is.

[Big Cat]

But right now it's not.

[PFT Commenter]

Right now it's not.

[Max]

Right now it's not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Wait, what do they do?

[Max]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Are they always mountain time?

[Hank]

Now they're always mountain time. I think sometimes it's just two hours ahead. Sometimes it's three hours ahead.

[Big Cat]

Well, then that wouldn't be mountain time.

[E]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Once again, this show has.

[Max]

Time zones are tough.

[PFT Commenter]

We're not a time zone.

[Max]

Time zones are tough.

[PFT Commenter]

The bottom line is that the. The jaguars have sucked when they travel west for their entire existence. Now they're. Now. They don't necessarily suck.

[Hank]

When daylight saving time is in effect, the time zones shift in mountain specific Pacific and Pacific time. Move forward one hour.

[Max]

Yes. Forward. Mean. Does that mean that they would be Pacific or does that mean they would be central?

[Big Cat]

The ultimate joke is on us. Every time we joke about the time change, you have to remember that we're actually the ones that are. The joke is on because we don't know they're currently.

[Hank]

Oh, so they're currently observing Mountain standard Time. Yeah, it's only.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, that's what Max is saying.

[Hank]

So I guess time.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, we're in the fall.

[Hank]

No, but like earlier in the fall, if they played in Arizona.

[Big Cat]

Well, we haven't changed the clocks yet.

[Max]

It would be Pacific time, I think in the spring.

[Big Cat]

Shaking his head. We changed the clocks this next weekend. It's always the Saturday after Thanksgiving, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, wait, hang on. What time is it in Phoenix right now?

[Max]

Yeah, I already.

[PFT Commenter]

Already did. Five. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Wait, that's one hour. Hour. Yeah. Yeah, that's one hour.

[Zach]

Yeah, but then ours would change too, so they wouldn't recognize our time.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Max]

What? No, I like.

[Big Cat]

No, I don't think. What? Go ahead.

[Max]

When we do change the clocks, whether that be next week or in the spring, they don't. They don't.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

So they become our Pacific. They're trans Pacific.

[Hank]

Yes.

[E]

They always stay the same.

[Hank]

They're past.

[Max]

No, but we change.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we change. Arizona doesn't.

[Zach]

But then Pacific changes too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Pacific changes and they. Pacific changes into Arizona.

[Max]

Are we sure that they don't change that we.

[Zach]

Are you saying the clock runs through Az.

[Big Cat]

March to November, they have the same time as California. Yeah. November to March, they're the same time as Denver.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank]

Time.

[Big Cat]

Except for the Navajos.

[Max]

Oh, don't get It.

[Big Cat]

The Navajo Nation does not observe daylight savings. They remain on Mountain standard time all year.

[Max]

I thought they don't.

[Big Cat]

I thought, no, the Navajo Nation does not observe daylight.

[Max]

I thought the whole state doesn't observe daylight savings.

[Big Cat]

No, the Navajo Nation does not.

[Max]

All right, let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

So in conclusion, the Jaguars, Arizona also.

[Big Cat]

Does not observe daylight so savings, with the exception that. Oh, Navajo. Does they. Navajo does observe.

[Max]

Yeah, I.

[Big Cat]

You were wrong. I'm reading it here. I'm sorry.

[Zach]

You.

[Max]

People are going to either love this part or hate.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to guess it's probably just really a lot of love.

[Big Cat]

Send this to the Golden Globes.

[PFT Commenter]

This was. This was the last. Yeah, I think this is episode number four of the football season where we just devolve into 10 minutes yelling about time zone, getting mad at clocks.

[Big Cat]

I did like Liam Cohen saying, we're not going to apologize for winning around here. Good. No one should apologize for winning. It's a hard league to win in. It doesn't matter how it looks. It can be bad. It can look gross. Don't apologize for winning ever. Ever. It would be funny if a coach did one day just been like, hey, I'm sorry about that, guys. We actually suck.

[PFT Commenter]

Sorry. 1.

[Big Cat]

Just keep winning even though we suck.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but the Jaguars, they're. They're in it, man. They're in it 7 and 4 and they have the. And they've got. Do they. Do they technically can control their own destiny?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, because they play the. Jack. They played the Colts twice and I think the Colts have to play the Texans twice as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So they're very much in it. They have the Titans this week. Oh, yeah. Wow. So the Jaguars. Hank is live. I know the Jaguars play the Titans twice and the jets and then they have the Colts twice, two games against the Colts and the Broncos. So they have three games that they should conceivably win. And these are the Jaguars. I know Jaguars fans are listening right now, being like, do not say any game is a given win. But they have the Titans twice in the jets and then three hard games and if they can go two and one in those, that could be a 12 win team team. Jaguars. Jaguars sitting pretty.

[PFT Commenter]

They should win 10.

[Big Cat]

Good for the Jaguars. And let Trevor rip. Right?

[PFT Commenter]

Let him rip.

[Big Cat]

Let him rip.

[PFT Commenter]

Like that's what I think. Trevor needs to be reminded of that because he does get in his own head a lot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There was a moment in the game where I was like, I. I don't know what's going on. If he's if he's. Because they did feel like they should have put the Cardinals away easily, and then they. They just kept letting him back in the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's not. It's not pretty when he lets it rip sometimes, but that's okay. I. I think the biggest. These dumb picks guys that we got are Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, and maybe. Maybe Dak. But not today. No, they dropped. They dropped his dump. Most of his dumb picks today were dropped.

[Big Cat]

They really tried. Okay, last game in the afternoon. Slate. Falcons 24, Saints 10. I don't got a lot in this game except for Kirk Cousins. Look good. He's back. That dot talk to Darnell Moon.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a nice pass.

[Big Cat]

Beautiful pass. Blake Group. He's got to get off the Saints. That guy stinks.

[PFT Commenter]

Or at least like him and Zion need to switch nutritionists.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy, man. He was. He's so bad. He just misses every kick. And the Falcons defense was good, like the Falcons defense. I know that they were going against Tyler Shuck, who is. Oh, Pug with the water refills, who's a rookie quarterback. But the Falcons defense, they. They just kept on getting pressure with four. They were forcing turnovers, but it felt like the game was when the. The Kamara fumble, the handoff. Tyler Schuck's Kamara fumble happened early in the game. He's like, okay, this is going to be one of those Saints games. And then they had the snap over Taysom Hills head on the goal line. When we do our bad owners, we're going to put what's his name on there. Who. Who owns the. The Saints?

[PFT Commenter]

That would be the woman. This. Ms. What's her name?

[Hank]

Terry.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Ms. Terry. Ms. Benson.

[Big Cat]

Ms. Benson.

[PFT Commenter]

Ms. Bennett.

[Big Cat]

She's. Bad owner.

[PFT Commenter]

Bad owner. I got a question for you, big cat.

[Big Cat]

Gail Benson.

[PFT Commenter]

This.

[Big Cat]

You're on the clock, Gail, this off season. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Is Kirk Cousins going to get a contract somewhere or is he going to retire?

[Big Cat]

I think he's going to retire. Well, it depends on what he wants to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If he wanted.

[Big Cat]

Let's say I can see him being a backup somewhere.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's say, hypothetically, Kirk wants to keep playing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You could do worse for backups.

[PFT Commenter]

You could do a lot worse for a backup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know if he wants to be one.

[Big Cat]

Good. Today. I'm happy that he had today.

[PFT Commenter]

He is now at. I believe he's at like, $320 million in career earnings.

[Big Cat]

That's so sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Through the end of the season.

[Big Cat]

That's so sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Can we get him up to 330.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he. Yeah. I mean, he. He is a. Well, he might stay on the. The Falcons. I mean, Michael Pennix is. You have to say he has injury history like he does.

[PFT Commenter]

So his tears. Acl partially torn.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

So his. If they wanted to keep him, his cap hit would be 57 million. So my guess is they probably won't have. They can cut him.

[Big Cat]

Resign them to better deal. Cut him and then resign them.

[PFT Commenter]

They. Yeah, they could. They could try to do that. They could say, hey, let's renegotiate. Would you like to take $30 million less than what we originally planned to pay you? And if he says yes, then okay, sign here, Kirk. But my guess is he's probably going to be cut. And then I'm curious to see if he gets another contract if he wants to keep playing.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, if he wants to keep playing. Like, Kyle Shannon would sign him for backup.

[PFT Commenter]

He's been dreaming about him. Yeah, he's been dreaming. The jets should. They should sign him.

[Big Cat]

But good for the Falcons.

[Max]

They were.

[Big Cat]

They obviously had lost a lot in a row, and they don't like the Saints. Saints are a bummer. Saints are a bummer. They're in that category as well. This Raiders bummer.

[PFT Commenter]

This is what Cap Hell looks like.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

If you're a winning team and you say, you know what? I'm okay, let's. Let's do Cap Hell so that we can try to win now and extend this little window that we have. This is this Saints team as it currently is constructed. This is a window into your future that you should look at and think, do I really want to do this?

[Big Cat]

Yep. Okay. Last game. Game. We're at the point in the season, by the way. I know. I. I feel like Falcons and Saints fans don't care that we don't talk about them for more than two minutes. This is. We're gonna get to the point in the season where it's like, there's some of these games we're just gonna have to breeze through. I'm happy for Falcons fans, though, to get a win. Although I do they want to win. I think they want to win. You want to be so embarrassing.

[PFT Commenter]

I think a lot of them would rather lose so that. Okay, so they fire the coach.

[E]

Oh, but the Rams have their first pick.

[Big Cat]

Oh. So, yeah, then they should definitely want to win.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Sunday Night Football. The Rams are the best team in the NFL. Does anyone disagree?

[Hank]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know who would make the case for any Other team Patriots right now. No they are they. Absolutely. It was. It was like a 15 minute game game. 17 minute game. It was over. It was just over. And Baker got hurt which sucks. But that was. Matthew Stafford was lights out and then he just didn't have to play the second half. He was. He was. What did he start? He started the game like I don't think he had a. He started the game. Some ridiculous. You have it Zach.

[Zach]

Not off top of my head but Matthew Stafford is just a weapon.

[Big Cat]

He's so good.

[Max]

They haven't played a competitive game in.

[Big Cat]

So long and they've beaten Their two losses are the block kick with the Eagles and they lost to the Niners when. When they fumbled on the one yard line. Remember when they were down 23, 20. They ended up going to overtime. But he fumbled on the. Karen Williams fumbled on the one yard line like yes. You could obviously play that game with the Colts too because the Colts had a. Had had A.D. mitchell drop the ball and everything but they're just better than everyone right now. Their defense is ferocious. Matthew Stafford's the MVP of the league right now. What is the current odds on DraftKings and Puka's the best. Devonte Adams perfect compliment. They can do everything. I don't really know what their. What their hole is.

[PFT Commenter]

They're just destroying people. They're destroying people and their. Their defense was so good tonight. They ran out of sack celebrations to do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. The Bucks are not a bad team. I know the Bucks are spiraling right now and they're still injured but. But they're not a bad team and they made them look like a bad team. What are the MVP odds?

[Hank]

Drake Matthew Staffords -200. Drake Mays -200.

[Big Cat]

Oh wow. -215. Zach, what do you think? The Bucks should still go to the playoffs but I believe still playoffs.

[Zach]

Defense kind of non existent today. They're just getting burnt in the backfield too. And Matthew Stafford just some of those Pat like that. That second. The second Adams touchdown. The throws just beautiful like he's still. Matthew Stafford is still just one of them ones. The Baker injury kind of sucked. They brought him back out from the tent. He got back in the game and then into first quarter.

[Big Cat]

I didn't understand that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, me neither.

[Zach]

Like if he's. If he's in the tent and we're already getting worked just don't put him back in the game.

[PFT Commenter]

This is. This is exactly what happened to Baker in Cleveland and you guys are much smarter organization so I don't think it's going to turn out the same way. But Baker was good in Cleveland. Anyone who watched Baker was like, this is the best quarterback I've ever seen on the Browns. And then he hurt his left shoulder, and then he was like, I'm going to keep playing through it because I'm tough and I'm Baker Mayfield. And then he started to suck because he was injured. And the Browns were like, okay, keep going out there, Baker. You want to keep playing? All right, let's keep playing. And then he sucked. And then the Browns were like, well, well, maybe we'll get the pervert and we can just make you expendable, Baker. That's what happened. And the. I think Tampa Bay is way smarter than that. I think that they realize that, like, yeah, Baker's injured. He's not. He's not going to be effective. Don't let him tell you that he's healthy enough to play, because he's not. Let him get healthy. If he needs surgery, he'll get the surgery. I don't think that they're going to him up, but his left shoulder looked like it was pretty bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was. It was hanging when he was in the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't understand it.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's like. Like he was. He was playing through, like, smaller injuries earlier in the season. And, like, the Bucs have to make the decision not to let him hurt himself more because he'll just be like, I'm ready for game day. Let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach]

This is not going to phase me. They got to be able to reel that in. Like, hey, let's just pump the brakes. Let's think big picture.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And that.

[Big Cat]

I mean, the kdot, the pick six was not his fault. Kate Otten was just bobbling that ball down the field.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, the Bucks. The Bucks got demolished. The Rams are the best team in the NFL. I. I don't know. Are they peaking too early? I guess would be the only thing we have to ask.

[PFT Commenter]

Remember when Matt Stafford wasn't going to play this year?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, his back might be so bad that he might not be able to play football again. He's laying down on a table for six hours because he can't practice. I think that McVeigh was just with all of us.

[Big Cat]

And guess what? Looking at the Rams, they have two hard games left. Left the Lions and at the Seahawks. The other. The other games are going to be favored by a lot. Panthers, Cardinals, Cardinals, Falcons. They could. They're. They're. They're cruising to the one seed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I guess. Max. Good thing you have that Jalen Carter blocked field goal because that's a tiebreaker, right?

[Max]

Yeah, but there's like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Loss on maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yes. At Seahawks, but. Yeah, they're gonna. They're. They're. They're just dominating. They're awesome. So they're fun to watch. And I, I. Matthew Stafford's when he's. When he's in the zone, he makes football look easy.

[PFT Commenter]

And he was doing his look away passes.

[Max]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

He was doing, like, the weird arm angles that make Dan Orlovsky come everywhere. It was. It was a clinic. He's been. He's been lights out. Like, I can't even. In the losses when he played, when they lost to the Eagles, I still think that Matt Stafford had a pretty good game.

[Big Cat]

Right. Yeah. If I want to remember correctly, didn't their offense kind of go silent in the second half? Yeah, they. They. They kind of went away in the second half. They came out to a start. And yeah, he wasn't his best game, but he's been. He's been good pretty much all year long. They have Rams. Rams. Team to beat. Are they officially the team to beat? You don't want to have to go to Sofi in January.

[PFT Commenter]

I think so. I think that they're. Yeah. That no one. No one goes to Los Angeles. Hard place to play. Good sports town, I think. What are they, 8 and 3 against the spread this year?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They're killing teams.

[PFT Commenter]

They're crushing people.

[Big Cat]

Okay, last thing I had a robot question for you guys. Rho b a-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. R, h o b a.com promo code take. Do you guys want to talk about the Texans and Bills real quick?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Texans killed the Bills defensively.

[PFT Commenter]

That defense is awesome. That was Will Anderson just, just physically abusing people.

[Big Cat]

8 sacks. Also shout out the Texans crowd. That was a. Like that Dion Dawkins fall start. At the end of the game, that crowd was rocking, rocking, rocking. And Davis Mills. Three zero. I think C.J. shroud's coming back. Three zero is a starter. Save the season. The Texans, remember, are my pinky team. I. They're dangerous in the fact that, I don't know, they can be in every single game because of their defense.

[PFT Commenter]

So you said earlier, like, what would it be like if the Browns had an average offense?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's kind of what the Texans are.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. And they, I mean they made Josh Allen look bad. He had a really tough night. They were kicking the shit out of him.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought Josh died in the first half.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

When he landed he land on the ball, get the wind knocked out of him.

[Big Cat]

Two picks. He did not look good. The, the Bill's offense, I don't know why they went away from the run in that game but that was an absolute ass kicking in a true home field advantage. And yeah, yeah. The Texans there are they a team nobody wants to play?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think I'd want to play them.

[Big Cat]

No. Hell no.

[PFT Commenter]

If I was on defense I might.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because then you then they still don't have a very good offensive line.

[PFT Commenter]

What's going on with, with Keon Coleman?

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Do we know? Because he was a healthy scratch second week in a row. Everyone assumed that he would be back because the Bills don't exactly have like a great receiving core. So they would need a guy like Keon Coleman. Something weird is happening with them.

[Big Cat]

Something is weird is happening with them. The Bills look like they're in some, some deep water that the playoff. I can't remember. I know we have every year there's obviously the playoff picture is fun to dissect but there are a lot of teams in the mix and there's also like a lot of really good teams that are fighting for their life which is making the playoffs. Very like the Lions are not in the playoffs right now. Right. The Chiefs are not in the playoffs right now. The Texans are not in the playoffs right now. There's some good teams that are sitting there and they're just gonna have to fight their way in. I'm excited for some, some home stretch football here.

[PFT Commenter]

The Athletic has the Bills at 82% to make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Still 77% to win the division, but that looks like that's going to be the Patriots no matter what. Yeah, I, I, I, I think the Bills are going to make the playoffs and nobody in Buffalo is going to be like this is our year.

[Big Cat]

No. And then the Texans are, if they make the playoffs, watch the out. Because that defense, there's something about watching a defense like that where just it's, it's not just the fact that they're getting stops, they're just getting violent stops. They got violent. James cook got a 45 yard touchdown run. Other than that they kept the Bills offense, which is one of the most explosive offenses offenses in the NFL out of the end zone. Just suffocated them. Beat the out of them. So congrats to the Texans. I know. Everyone should tune into the case race on Wednesday. It was very fun. If you want to hear more about that game, we watched it live.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

We watched it live while we were drunk.

[PFT Commenter]

We had some real genuine reactions to it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank was just devastated.

[Big Cat]

So devastated. Everything's breaking your way right now, Hank.

[Hank]

What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

I think he's just saying, like the fact that the Bills lost. Lost on Thursday night. The Colts might be. I guess the. The Chiefs winning is not breaking your way. You don't want the Chiefs in there.

[Hank]

No, but if we get a buy, then that's. That's all we want.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Were you devastated that the Bills lost, or were you devastated when you found out the four quarterbacks that have beaten the Bills this year?

[Hank]

No, I don't care about that at all. How would I care about that?

[Max]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

You seemed upset in the moment. I just didn't know.

[Big Cat]

If there's only one know h, there's only one buy. I know. Okay.

[Hank]

That's what I'm saying.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If you get to buy.

[Hank]

If we get the buy. If we don't get to buy, then the Chiefs are going to be right in our radar.

[Big Cat]

They're going to be right in your grill mix, momes. Okay, reminder. We have a show on Wednesday this week. No show Friday. We're going to do an extra long show though Wednesday, friend. Who has to work. Let's finish up the show with who's back of the week. It is brought to you by our friends at Twisted Tea. All right, guys, Thanksgiving week is here, which means three things. Football, food, and that one night where you see everyone you went to high school with the same bar reunion no one asked for, but we all somehow show up to. And if you're doing it right, you're rolling it with twisted Tea in hand. Twisted Tea is a refreshing, hard iced tea with real brewed tea. No, not tea. Flavored, Real brewed tea with a 5% kick that sneaks up on you like the Cowboys losing on Thanksgiving. Maybe not this year. That's why. That's what I love about it. Full of flavor, super smooth, no carbonation. You can sip it all day throughout the early games, the late game, the post meal, nap games. Twisted T is the MVP of Thanksgiving week. It's a perfect for friendsgiving Thanksgiving Eve or even when your family asks why you're still wearing your jersey during dinner. So no matter what you're up to, stock up on Twisted Tea for whatever your Thanksgiving week holds. Shout out State Street Brats and Wandos. I air. I got addicted to airdrops because Wisconsin won. Wisconsin's the hottest team in the country to back. They've won two home games against ranked opponents in November. Pretty cool. So I got a little addicted. I just started airdropping everywhere. But, yeah, everyone enjoyed the twisted tease on me. Yeah, listen, we bullied Illinois. We bullied Illinois. And I don't give a. If the kids go on the field, people are just gatekeeping that. It's the dumbest thing ever. Just a bunch of people who are sitting at home just being like, I wish I was in college.

[PFT Commenter]

What, for the field Stormers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, it's so embarrassing to feel some. It's. See, it was senior night.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The kids at Wisconsin who are seniors were promised a good football experience for the four years they've gotten. Dog shit.

[PFT Commenter]

There's probably a lot of fans that haven't had the opportunity storm the field before.

[Big Cat]

Well, they did two weeks ago against.

[PFT Commenter]

Washington, but still, this is their senior nights.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, they. I also just. What? Does it hurt anyone? It looks like the funnest time. You go get fucked up, you make a memory with your friends, it does zero bad things to the world. All right, Hank, your. Who's back of the week?

[Hank]

Who's back of the week is. Jack Hughes. Dinners.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

So Jack Hughes, New Jersey devil star. He was recently in Chicago and went out to dinner with Frank the Tank.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Barcelona's very own Frank the Tank. How'd that go at that dinner? Jack Hughes cut himself and was put on the injury list. I think he's out for, like, unintentionally. Unintentionally. But that was just a very Fleming curse. Very funny moment. But this past week, he was out to dinner with Tate McCray, so.

[Big Cat]

And she is pop star. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Popular member of Tank's arm.

[Hank]

Extremely popular.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

That's crazy. You don't know.

[Hank]

I don't. I honestly don't believe you.

[Big Cat]

I've heard her name.

[PFT Commenter]

What's your song?

[Memes]

Song?

[PFT Commenter]

She's very talented. Yeah. Memes.

[Big Cat]

What's the song? Memes. Give me a song.

[Max]

Sing it.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Max]

You were singing it.

[E]

I was saying, love me, love me. Say you love me.

[Big Cat]

What is the song?

[Max]

She's got lots of songs.

[Big Cat]

Give me one song.

[Max]

Pink.

[Hank]

No, that's.

[Big Cat]

That's Chapel, Ron. I know that. I've heard of her. I don't know what song.

[Zach]

All right.

[Big Cat]

I don't think. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Is she the one that Connor Griffin's obsessed with. X. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Zach]

All right.

[Big Cat]

I know who she is now.

[PFT Commenter]

I thought that was Carpenter.

[Hank]

Her as well.

[E]

I thought it was Olivia Rodrigo.

[Hank]

Her as well.

[PFT Commenter]

He's just got.

[Big Cat]

That was actually a bad question.

[PFT Commenter]

He's just horny.

[Big Cat]

Obsessed with all these girls. Yeah, she's.

[Max]

She's a dancer.

[Big Cat]

Her. But she's a singer.

[PFT Commenter]

She was like a.

[Hank]

Yes, she's Britney Spears.

[Max]

Britney Spears. Yes. Britney Spears was a big thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Britney Spears was.

[Big Cat]

I know. I know what Britney Spears is.

[Max]

No, but they say that she's the.

[Big Cat]

Next things.

[Hank]

A la Britney.

[Big Cat]

Got it. I gotta hear one of her songs. I probably know it, but I don't know it. Off the top.

[Max]

You want me to play a song and then we.

[Hank]

We cut it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[E]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

All right. Why are you going on Twitter? I don't know.

[Max]

That was stupid.

[Hank]

I'll play one.

[Big Cat]

Just click on Play the song.

[Max]

Tate McCray.

[PFT Commenter]

Just any song.

[Max]

This one. I don't think I know that one. Here, we're going to play this one.

[PFT Commenter]

She's got a thing for Zambonis.

[Max]

Big hockey from Canada.

[Big Cat]

Nope.

[Max]

Yeah, this one. This one's a banger.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Okay. We listen to a song. I do not know her songs, but she seems talented and good for Jack Hughes. Yeah, he's back.

[Hank]

His dinners are back.

[Max]

She does. The other one was like, all my exes live in Texas. Texas.

[PFT Commenter]

That's in Texas.

[Max]

They know.

[PFT Commenter]

Mega, Great artist, great dinner guest. Jack Hughes knows how to pick him.

[Hank]

Would you rather go to dinner with her or Frank Fleming?

[PFT Commenter]

Definitely Frank. Definitely Frank. 100, there's no doubt about it.

[Big Cat]

Not a creep, bro. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What is she, like 20?

[Big Cat]

He. Yeah. How old is she?

[Hank]

At least 21.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, okay. Thank you.

[Max]

22.

[Big Cat]

22.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No, I would not.

[Big Cat]

What would I talk to a 22 year old with at dinner? I think 22 year old girl. What would I talk to her about?

[PFT Commenter]

You just.

[Big Cat]

You see nothing. There's nothing that we have in common.

[PFT Commenter]

You say six, seven once and then she kind of laughs out of pity. And then you try to say it again because you're like, oh, she liked it the first time and then she gets up and leaves.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It would be a bad dinner. I would not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I would not have anything in common with Tate McCray.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Pft.

[PFT Commenter]

My. Who's back of the week is the hungry dog. Did it hit?

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Two out of three. Hit.

[Big Cat]

Two out of three.

[E]

Hit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, so. But I had a hungry dog that was back this week. Blake caught a Rabbit for the first time. And he.

[Hank]

So Blake is back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he. Well, well, no, hey, just wait. Just wait. He ended up eating like half the rabbit. Dog walker dog's a murderer. Could. Could not get the rest of the rabbit out of Blake's mouth. And she was like, does this dog like, is there anything. What are the best treats that we can. That we can try to get it? So we used the freeze dried chicken. We used the bully sticks. He would not drop the rabbit until he saw his favorite toy boy, which was the Hank doll. And Blake drops the rabbit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I'm sorry. I couldn't have prevented a murder.

[Zach]

And.

[Max]

And dropping this week on the bar show store.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's incredible. He is addicted to this Hank doll. He's addicted to it to the point where he will drop fresh meat and instead play with his friend Hank, which I think is just.

[Big Cat]

It's beautiful.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a beautiful thing.

[Hank]

Is he gonna try and kill me when he sees me?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, he was. He was just like nibbling on it. Squeaking the squeaky toy.

[Hank]

The rabbit wasn't as lucky.

[PFT Commenter]

No, the rabbit wasn't. But I think that's a. It's a awesome thing that you've got dogs that just love you.

[Hank]

Do you think it's an awesome thing that your dog's a murderer?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, he was protecting who knows what those rabbit. What they can be up to.

[Hank]

Sounds like just.

[PFT Commenter]

They could spread disease, bad parenting.

[Hank]

But that's just me.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Well, I just thought that it was sweet and they are available.

[Hank]

Your dog killing a rabbit is sweet?

[PFT Commenter]

No, him wanting to go for the. For the head tank toy.

[Big Cat]

But the rabbit part is not sweet.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, the. Listen, the rabbit knew what it did.

[Hank]

What did it do? It just exist.

[PFT Commenter]

It was on his territory.

[Big Cat]

Can't exist.

[PFT Commenter]

It was on his territory.

[Hank]

On a walk.

[PFT Commenter]

It's instinct.

[Big Cat]

Was it not? Was Blake on a walk?

[PFT Commenter]

It was in his vicinity.

[Big Cat]

So yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And he was taunting him.

[Hank]

Yikes.

[PFT Commenter]

It was taunting him.

[Big Cat]

You got a killer on your hands.

[PFT Commenter]

Got a killer. But he dropped it because he saw his best friend Hank, and he was reminded of. Of beauty and love in this world. And friendship.

[Hank]

Sucked all the life out of it.

[PFT Commenter]

And friendship. And then he was like, I'm gonna play with my. My best friend Hank. And again, which I. I truly love. So thank you for that, for that great gift that you've given all of us on the show and soon to share with the entire world when the Hank Doy comes out on Friday.

[Hank]

No problem.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, go get it.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks. Hank.

[Big Cat]

Okay, my who's back of the week is rivalry week because we have a great college football slate this week. And we also had no change to the top of the rankings because everyone won this past weekend. So we're probably not gonna have any difference. You guys cover jmu? We won. We won. They did not cover.

[Hank]

That's probably bad for the rankings.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it's crazy. We beat. We beat Washington State by more than Ole Miss beat Washington State by. And also more than.

[Hank]

You guys were like heavy favorites.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, well, there's a couple touchdowns, but I mean this is a tough team. They're second place in their division.

[E]

Hank.

[Big Cat]

They're in a two team division if you wanna.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank would have gotten there. He would have gotten there.

[Big Cat]

I would never have gotten conference game. They got a rematch though, coming up. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, we're gonna see everything comes down. Ohio State, Michigan. We had the. That USC Oregon game was. Was great. Oregon looked good for the first time in a while. They've been struggling a little bit. Winning games, but struggling. And. Yeah. And. And we'll also find out where Lane Kiffin's going. Do you think we're going to find out where Lane Kiffin's going before or after the Egg Bowl?

[PFT Commenter]

I think before because it seems like Ole Miss has kind of put a. A enough is enough timer in place.

[Big Cat]

Just.

[PFT Commenter]

It's an egg timer.

[Big Cat]

Totally fair.

[PFT Commenter]

Being like, hey, you got to make your choice because we. We hear a lot of stuff that you're doing right now. Lane and I. I feel like Lane is getting off on. On the will here, won't he?

[Big Cat]

He's having fun. I like that he's having fun.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He makes college football fun.

[PFT Commenter]

So. His family has spent time allegedly in Baton Rouge and Gainesville recently. He's got to the point where he's now with the flight tracking community and sending planes up in the air that are then being diverted to and from Baton Rouge at a moment's notice in order to just throw the whole scent off the operation. I love it.

[Big Cat]

It's great.

[PFT Commenter]

I think. I think he's probably going to leave. I'm changing my. I know I said like two weeks ago, I didn't think he was going to leave. I feel like it's gotten to the point where you. If I had to guess, I would say lsu.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's going to be interesting though this last week because we're going to have a lot of there. There could be multiple two loss teams that are getting left out with the fact that everyone won and you know like Oklahoma has two losses. They're in right now. But Vandy, Miami, BYU only has one loss. They'll play in a conference championship game if they take care of business. The ACC is still a mess. Duke is still alive. Six team chaos still alive.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it possible for the six team ties still?

[Big Cat]

I think so. I think everything happened.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that yeah, a lot's gonna have to do with the, the UVA Virginia Tech game. Yeah, Tech can pull an upset, then things get really crazy.

[Big Cat]

Y. Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's the dumbest league and it's very funny. And pit Pat Narduzzi when he tells you all he cares about his last two games, believe him, he's absolutely right because what he did to Georgia Tech, they did not care about that Notre Dame game at all. But yeah, I'm excited. This is, it was feast week. Is the best. You got college basketball, you got NFL, you got college football. Just everything's happening.

[PFT Commenter]

Michigan, Ohio State is going to be.

[Big Cat]

Eleven and a half point dogs.

[E]

Michigan.

[Big Cat]

I, I, I, I think I have to bet Michigan out of respect even though I think Ohio State is going to win. But this just bet every underdog in rivalry week. So it's going to be fun. I'm excited.

[PFT Commenter]

I will not be betting on Texas. Yeah, A and M. I feel like.

[Big Cat]

A and M has nothing to play. They have something to play for obviously, but they don't. Their season is, is set. You know what I mean? Like they're not going to get kicked out of the playoffs if they lose this game.

[PFT Commenter]

Arch had his I do everything game so Texas hasn't looked bad, but I feel like, I don't know, I feel like this is the year that Texas A M just slices their throat at Texas though. Yeah, Austin's half filled with Aggies. Anyways. It's weird wearing their rings around Texas.

[Big Cat]

Two and a half point dogs. Okay, Zach finishes off my who's back.

[Zach]

Of the week Today is the guys over Optic Texas. Dashie, Shotzi, Mercury and Hook. Who what the guys over at Optic Texas Professional Call of duty team.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Dashie Shotzi did now did they stream Dashie?

[Zach]

There was a couple POVs. Yes sir.

[Big Cat]

Did they stream yesterday?

[Zach]

They've had, they had, they had some POVs up for that while they were in the tournament. The monster imitation Did Bush stream.

[Hank]

This is, this is the, this is, this is the preset season.

[Zach]

This is a, it's a Pro Am though. First Pro am on the, on the new title. You know what I mean? So you get to see the guys on the new game. And it was more so like they just. They just. They didn't lose a map until the finals.

[Big Cat]

I'm just a push game.

[Hank]

Like, this is like when, like pro teams go to, like, China and play like, the local teams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, when, when, when Manchester United plays here in the summer. Zach, I'm a bush gaming fan and I was just looking for their stream yesterday and I couldn't find. Find it.

[Zach]

They first in that bracket. They tough pool. First map. You know, they had play thieves took them to map five. And then tough pool against Miami Heretics. They got 03 there.

[Big Cat]

Can I give you saying makes sense?

[PFT Commenter]

It's a little piece of business advice.

[Zach]

Yes, sir.

[PFT Commenter]

You should make a public offer to Kyler Murray.

[Zach]

Public offer. You think?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, just be like, hey, we've extended an offer to Kyler Murray. Murray. Just to get your name out there.

[Zach]

Ballpark how big.

[PFT Commenter]

Doesn't matter.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[PFT Commenter]

He's small.

[Max]

I don't think Kyler Murray likes barstool sports.

[Big Cat]

No, he definitely doesn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but it's about making the.

[Big Cat]

Off me blocked for a very long time.

[Max]

I think he has, like, every single person.

[PFT Commenter]

It's about making the offer blocked. It's like when anyone who's ever called.

[Max]

Him short, I'm pretty sure is blocked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was that Rams playoff game when I was like, he's too short for the playoffs. And then he blocked me.

[E]

Unblocked part of my take count.

[Big Cat]

He unblocked it?

[Max]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. So maybe he's back. Let me see.

[Max]

He was blocked. We were blocked at one point, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, big time.

[Big Cat]

You make it sound like we were so blown.

[Max]

A lot of memes about. A bunch of memes about him being short.

[Big Cat]

I'm still blocked.

[Max]

I don't think I was.

[Big Cat]

I was never blocked.

[E]

Still blocked by Deshaun Watson.

[Big Cat]

That one we could wear as a badge of honor.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Good show, boys. I. I don't. Zach.

[Zach]

Yes, sir?

[Big Cat]

What does any of that mean?

[Zach]

Oh, it was just the new title came out, so. New game and there's a Pro Am, so pro teams, amateur teams came together.

[Big Cat]

Zach, did you have fun?

[E]

Did.

[Zach]

Did I have fun? Yeah, I enjoyed watching it.

[Big Cat]

And there you go. I'm. I'm happy that you're happy. Also, how was your sleeping this weekend?

[Zach]

Is okay.

[Big Cat]

What were your shifts like?

[Zach]

Shifts?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like Friday night. What time did you go to bed?

[Zach]

Well, Friday night had Pop punk got home about 1:30. I played the game for a little bit with my. With the boys, that was good. Probably to bed around five. We were having a lot of fun.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then they brought Newtown back. Big hit. Double XP Weekend. Shout out. Double XP Weekend.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Zach]

Then yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Wait, what time did you wake up on Saturday?

[Zach]

Saturday woke up probably like 10.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It's not a lot of sleep.

[Zach]

And then it was straight back to the game.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[Zach]

It was beautiful. Day out, window open, breeze coming through.

[Big Cat]

So nice.

[Zach]

That breeze was nice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then what about outside today?

[Hank]

You're basically outside all day.

[Big Cat]

What time did you stay up till last night?

[Zach]

Not too, not too late. Like one.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Then what time did you wake up today?

[Zach]

Probably woke up. 11:30, 12:00'.

[Big Cat]

Clock. Oh, that's not bad.

[PFT Commenter]

I heard that you, you sent a text at 3:30 in the morning over the weekend saying, my bad, I just woke up from a nap.

[Zach]

Oh yeah, okay. Yeah, there was a, There's a nap shift in there.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Zach]

That was tough.

[PFT Commenter]

From what time to what time was your nap?

[Zach]

That was. So the nap would have been like nine to, like nine to one, nine to two, something like that.

[Big Cat]

That's sleep.

[PFT Commenter]

You went to sleep.

[E]

Leave it on. Leave the mic on.

[Zach]

Oh, gotcha. Yeah, it's like nine to two. Quick nap. What happened was I.

[Big Cat]

That's nine to two is not a nap.

[Zach]

Well, I lay down and watch a little TV and I'm, I don't. I go either bed for TV or desk. So when I lay down and watch TV and just relax. When I'm not wanting to be on the game for a little bit, I, I sometimes fall asleep.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Because it's bedtime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's sleeping.

[Zach]

But then once you wake up, there's no going back to sleep for a couple hours.

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, you could just roll over and go back to sleep.

[Zach]

I messed it up every time. Every single time.

[Big Cat]

So you just got back on the sticks?

[Zach]

Yeah, we got straight back to the sticks because my, my boy Gabe gets off work around 1:30. So he's, he's texting me like, hey, it's go time. And I'm like, all right, round two, let's go.

[Big Cat]

Well, you should have said the Gabe part is pretty important.

[Zach]

Oh yeah, that he's, he works.

[E]

He.

[Zach]

He, he runs a restaurant or a golf course that closes late. So when he's down to fire, I'm always down to fire with the boys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gota, you gota.

[Zach]

Can't leave the boys hanging.

[Big Cat]

No, can't.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Good show, boys. We'll see everyone on Wednesday. And that will be an Extra long show for Thanksgiving numbers. Good job, Memes. Yeah. No one's even trying to get it anymore.

[Max]

I mean, I am.

[PFT Commenter]

It's just he.

[Big Cat]

He's.

[Hank]

He's so quick.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll go 31.

[Big Cat]

You don't.

[Hank]

You don't have hesy anymore.

[Big Cat]

83. I'll hesy for you. What did you guess?

[Hank]

22.

[Big Cat]

I'll go 21.

[Max]

99.

[Big Cat]

Pug.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Zach]

71.

[Max]

44.

[Big Cat]

95. Memes does get excited. For every single one, it's going to be the one. Oh, nine.

[E]

Oh, nine. Shout out. Nine.

[Big Cat]

Nine. J.J. mcCarthy.

[PFT Commenter]

There he is.

[E]

It was. What was it? What's James's number? It was James's number last 19 last Sunday.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This year. It's always been.

[PFT Commenter]

Always a sign. You want to do one more?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'll do one more.

[E]

Also, Texas A M does have something to play for.

[Big Cat]

What?

[E]

They lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The SEC champion. But. But is that.

[E]

Some people call it the gold. Bigger than national champ.

[Big Cat]

But would you. At this point.

[Hank]

Point.

[Big Cat]

Do you want to play in the. The championship game?

[E]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

I think so too. But it's also just another chance to, like, the championship games are going to be in trouble soon.

[E]

Yeah. No, they're gone within the next two years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like just being like, hey, you're. You're already in the playoff. Go play an extra game if you're in the SEC or Big ten.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Who cares?

[E]

Yeah. Especially they said it doesn't matter towards the playoff bracket.

[Big Cat]

And obviously you would rather have a buy. But the home playoff game is crazy money for the school in the city.

[E]

Yeah. I think they should just expand to like 32 teams.

[Big Cat]

No.

[E]

Why not?

[Big Cat]

Why not?

[E]

Every conference gets a bid. Automatic Sunbelt Mac.

[Big Cat]

Memes. All right. I'll tell you why not. I don't. All right.

[E]

With lottery ball.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Smu. I don't see SMU playing in more playoff games. I don't need to.

[E]

It's good for schools like jmu.

[Big Cat]

It is.

[E]

So I don't have to keep losing their coach.

[Memes]

Why. Why am I getting all right numbers? Why.

[PFT Commenter]

Why you redirect that at me, man?

[Big Cat]

Is everyone sticking with their number?

[Max]

Yeah. Here comes 3.

[Big Cat]

37. Means you're never going to get it.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.

[Big Cat]

You're never going to get it. He's getting close to him.