NFL Week 13 Recap, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bears Smash The Eagles, Chiefs On The Ropes, Surging Texans + Lane Kiffin Drama And Rivalry Week

Summary

---

Pardon My Take – NFL Week 13 Recap & Rivalry Week (Dec 1, 2025)

Main Theme

On this episode, Big Cat, PFT Commenter, and the PMT crew deliver their signature, rapid-fire and deeply unserious but insightful recap of NFL Week 13, including the wildest Thanksgiving/Black Friday in memory, the surging Bears, Chiefs on the ropes, and the drama swirling around Lane Kiffin and college football’s Rivalry Week. As always, the show features “Fastest 2 Minutes”, deep dives on pivotal games, and classic PMT banter—plus extended talk about Max’s Eagles pain after Philly gets steamrolled by Chicago.

---

Fastest 2 Minutes: Thanksgiving & Week 13 Recap

[03:29] - [12:14]

• Recap rolls through every major Thanksgiving & Sunday NFL matchup in rapid, pun-heavy PMT fashion.
• Notable “Fastest 2 Minutes” moments:
  • Packers 31, Lions 24 (Thanksgiving kickoff): “Jordan Love showed how his Billy Joe arm is strong throwing for four touchdowns...” – Big Cat [03:57]
  • Cowboys 31, Chiefs 28: Big Cat dubs it a coming out for Dak (“decaroni and cheese”), with Mahomes and Dallas trading huge plays.
  • Bears 24, Eagles 15 (Black Friday): “For the first time in a while, Caleb ‘Pharrell’ Williams has Bears fans feeling happy as he has ’em do a 9-3 record...” – Max [06:20]
  • Jets 27, Falcons 24: PMT’s memes gets a segment (“I tell you what, I don’t get no respect around here...” [09:35]). Jets (somehow) are fun!
  • Panthers 31, Rams 28: Bryce Young’s 6th win and the coaching magic of Canales.
  • Bills 26, Steelers 7: “No one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.”
  • Heavy on dad jokes, NFL player puns, and relentless self-roasting.

---

Thanksgiving & Extended Football Weekend: Vibes, Overeating, Parenting & K-Pop Demon Hunters

[13:01] - [16:16]

• Hosts discuss the surreal flow of Thanksgiving weekend—losing sense of time, overeating, navigating family life.
• Hank: “I was in toddler and infantville...” [14:35]
• Max: “K Pop Demon Hunters... pig songs are awesome, it’s a cheat code.” [15:07]
• Big Cat: “I went to PFT’s house on Thanksgiving to fry my turkey, which he was nice enough to let me come over and use his fryer. We got to watch football together… no cameras!” [15:44]

---

Deep Dives: Key NFL Games & Storylines

Packers 31, Lions 24 – “Worst Week For Detroit” / 4th Down Debate

[16:16] – [22:55]

• Packers offense is alive: “Jordan Love was pretty much perfect... dropping dimes, deep passes to Christian Watson…” – Big Cat [16:16]
• Dan Campbell’s 4th-down calls: “Live by the go for it on 4th, die by the go for it on 4th... If it hit your hands, you can catch it, that’s what we always say on this show...” – Hank [17:50]
• Lions’ spiral: injuries (Frank Ragnow’s torn hammy), Panthers/Chiefs/Packers defense exposure.
• Playoff picture: “Lions fans have to be... I think it’s past panic button.” – Big Cat [20:46]

---

Cowboys 31, Chiefs 28 – “Dak Outplays Mahomes & Chiefs In Trouble”

[22:59] – [32:52]

• “Dak Prescott outplayed Patrick Mahomes… Dak is playing at MVP level.”
• Chiefs’ mistakes & playoff elimination debate:
  • “I think the Chiefs are eliminated... No, I don’t give a ****. I’ll say it...” – Hank [25:47]
  • Big Cat pushes back: “If they lose next week to the Texans, then I agree, but... the Colts are the free-fall team that opens the door.”
• Dak’s “in the MVP conversation” award: “He wins the award for being in the conversation for MVP, which is a good conversation to be in.” – Big Cat [32:39]

---

Bears 24, Eagles 15 – “Bears SMASH the Eagles; Philly Meltdown”

[41:01] – [68:25]

• Big Cat (Bears fan) elation:
  • “That was the biggest Bears win since 2018... They absolutely man-footballed the Philadelphia Eagles.” [41:01]
  • Rushing dominance: “281 yards rushing... 28 runs of 4+ yards... most in NFL this year.” [42:35]
  • “Ben Johnson taking off his shirt after the game. Free hot dogs at Wiener Circle on Tuesday... Everything about this team is just fun.”
  • Playoff/super bowl delusion? “It’s Packers week--if they beat the Packers, then yes, I’ll be thinking soupy.” [45:33]
• Max (Eagles fan) pain:
  • Booing at the stadium: “I was partaking in booing, but it was more... silence.” [52:35]
  • Camera time: “They put me on the Jumbotron three times.” [52:43]
  • Offensive collapse: “Why do we just keep doing the same f*** thing over and over and over again? It’s bad.” [57:41]
  • Petullo scapegoating, encroaching panic. “Kevin Petullo is #1 biggest problem. Jalen Hurts has a much longer leash to me than Petullo because he’s actually done something for this team.” [60:54]
  • “Nobody’s good in the NFL right now.” [56:01]
• Debate: Is it ever right to go for 2 early to cut a 9 point lead? JJ Watt, analytics, human element—the guys debate both sides. [70:30]
• Philly boo-culture: “We boo everyone... We're booing the whole of what is going on here, not you as a personal human being.” – Max [74:32]

---

Texans 20, Colts 16 – “Texans a Problem, Colts Injury Woes”

[76:44] – [85:41]

• CJ Stroud “back” for Houston: “Texans are a problem because their defense and CJ Stroud...” – Big Cat [78:09]
• DeMeco Ryans, divisional turnaround: “13-4 in the division since 2023.”
• Daniel Jones broke his leg and played through it, Duke Toughness: “He cannot pinpoint a moment in which he broke his leg, but he thinks perhaps it was something that happened against the Chiefs.” – Hank [77:04]
• “Tony Dungy getting some sour grapes... that's Tony Dungeon.” – Hank [79:57]
• Playoff race: “Texans could be a 0-3 team to make the playoffs... which has only happened with the Texans in 2018.” – Big Cat [81:52]

---

Panthers 31, Rams 28 – “Carolina Stuns LA”

[86:01] – [91:16]

• Bryce Young’s coming of age: “That's 11 come-from-behind victories for Bryce Young.” – Hank [87:27]
• “Are the Panthers good? ...They flip-flop everything. The definition of frisky.” – Hank [88:54]
• Rams/Stafford turnovers doom: “Matt Stafford had a bad game, but you will have bad games...” – Big Cat [90:48]
• Derrick Brown called a “monster.” – Big Cat
• Fun stat: “Jerry Rice scored 22 TDs in 12 games in 1987.” – Big Cat [90:11]

---

Other Notables & Quick Hits

• Jets 27, Falcons 24: “Jets have won three of five. The memes era is watchable football.”
• Bucs 20, Cardinals 17: “Bucs are back... buy stock now.”
• Jags 25, Titans 3: “Shamira Dike now on pace for record all-purpose yardage.”
• Niners 26, Browns 8: “Brock Purdy Dougies on the Browns—most emasculating thing that can happen to you.” – Hank [124:28]
• Seahawks 26, Vikings 0: “Max Brosmer is not it. First time Vikings have been shut out since 2007.” – Big Cat [131:17]

---

College Football: Lane Kiffin Drama & Rivalry Week

[161:03] – [176:46]

• Lane Kiffin/LSU fiasco: “Lane is the only guy who tries to burn a bridge while still standing on it.” – Big Cat [168:56]
  • Stringing along Florida, leaves Ole Miss after Egg Bowl, AD dumps his suits on the curb.
  • “Everyone at Ole Miss is mad, which rightfully so, but you knew what you were getting into.” – Big Cat [170:45]
  • “He makes the sport more fun, he’s a wildcard.” – Big Cat [171:22]
• Rivalry Week takeaways: “The whole sport is just so crazy right now... we're going to have a lot of debates coming up because there’s a lot of two-loss teams.” [179:04]
• Michigan vs. Ohio State: Michigan “protecting the M” post-loss gets roasted. “That’s so pathetic.” – Big Cat [183:04]
• ACC tiebreaker chaos – Duke football makes title game: “Duke in the ACC Championship! They’re not done with you, Big Cat.” – Hank [176:33]

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Big Cat (on Bears’ win): "That was the biggest Bears win since 2018... They absolutely man-footballed the Philadelphia Eagles." [41:01]
• Max: “Every team sucks right now. The NFL is just not good. I don’t understand it.”
• Hank: “You can get the Brandon Staleys all you want, but when the Brandon Staley’s are going for it on fourth down because of math, everybody looks at that guy and they’re like, that guy’s not a football guy. When Dan Campbell does it, you’re like, I guess math is for men now.” [22:02]
• On Chiefs playoff future: “They’re out. The Kansas City Chiefs have been eliminated from playoff contention.” – Hank [25:58] | “I still... the Chiefs are always going to be in that ‘they're not dead until there’s a little E next to their name’…” – Big Cat [30:22]
• On Philly fans: “We just want to see things look a lot better than they look right now. There should be greatness. I’ve heard a billion times this is the greatest roster of all time...” – Max [74:32]
• Big Cat on Lane Kiffin: “Lane is the only guy in the world who tries to burn a bridge while he's still standing on it.” [168:56]

---

Key Timestamps

| Segment/Event | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------|------------------| | Fastest 2 Minutes (Thanksgiving Slate) | 03:29 – 12:14 | | Bears-Eagles Deep Dive (Black Friday Recap) | 41:01 – 68:25 | | Chiefs-Cowboys/Mahomes-Dak Debate | 22:59 – 32:52 | | College Football Coaching Drama | 161:03–176:46 | | Lane Kiffin/LSU Drama | 164:50 – 171:22 | | Michigan-Ohio State/Rivalry Week | 182:05–185:58 |

---

Tone & Language

• Classic PMT: irreverent, rapid-fire, self-deprecating, sports-obsessive, loaded with puns and inside jokes.
• Max’s Eagles meltdown is both passionate and defeated: “Why do we just keep doing the same f*** thing...”
• Bears fans ride a manic high, but Big Cat keeps up the “must beat the Packers” refrain.
• "Chiefs are eliminated" debate turns into an over-the-top proclamation.
• Lane Kiffin drama is treated as spectacular, inevitable, and somehow delightful for college football.
• Alternately celebratory, doom-laden, and chaos-embracing.

---

PMT-Style Running Jokes & Highlights

• “Thinking Soupy” = thinking Super Bowl; Bounced around as Bears, Cowboys, Chiefs fans go up and down the emotional spectrum.
• “Packers week” mystique for Bears fans.
• K-Pop Demon Hunters as the Thanksgiving instant peacekeeper for kids.
• Philly’s endless cycle of booing, thumbs down, and “Kevin Petullo must go” scapegoating.
• Hank “eliminates” the Chiefs then instantly backtracks.
• “Notable” Eagles game attendee: journalist Diana Russini—Max won’t apologize for hanging out.

---

For Those Who Haven’t Listened

If you’re looking for detailed breakdowns of NFL Week 13, heated Eagles/Bears postmortems, extended laughs about the weirdness of Lane Kiffin’s departure and the absurdity of the college football playoff tiebreakers, this episode is a PMT classic – switching seamlessly between deep sports nerdery and complete comedic chaos.

Whether you’re here for the hot takes, the NFL and CFB analysis, or just the pain and joy of fandom, this episode captures the drama and the fun of late fall football mayhem.

---

Highly Recommended Segments:

• [41:01 – 68:25] Bears vs. Eagles postmortem and Max’s meltdown (if you love Chicago, hate Philly, or just want cathartic venting).
• [164:50 – 171:22] Lane Kiffin drama: “burning bridges while standing on them.”
• [22:59 – 32:52] Cowboys-Chiefs playoff math, “MVP Conversation” jokes, NFC/NFL chaos.
• [182:05–183:47] Ryan Day finally beats The Game narrative (“protecting the M” roast).

---

Memorable PMT-ism:
“Inception totem for NFL fans is someone tweeting ‘don’t let the Bengals in the playoffs’… and then we won’t. That’s the PMT guarantee.” [35:31]

---

Endnote:
Skip the first 2-3 minutes and get straight to football — this is pure sports talk, football pain and joy, and locker-room banter at its best.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Hank]

This show is sponsored by BetterHelp in 2025. Maybe you're ready for a plot twist. Maybe there's a part of your story that you've been wanting to revise. Think about therapy as your editorial partner helps you write new chapters and creates the meaningful story that you deserve to live. I've personally used therapy in the past as a tool to help me get through some times of loss and to also help me prioritize what was important life and help me focus on those and create a future that I was very happy in and very confident in. Therapy has been a great tool for me. I personally recommend it. If you're thinking about starting therapy, I couldn't recommend it more. Give it a try. Better Help is fully online making therapy affordable and convenient. Serving over 5 million people worldwide. Access a diverse network of more than 30,000 credentialed therapists with a wide range of specialties. You can easily switch therapists at any time for no extra cost. Write your own story with better help. Visit betterhelp.compmt today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp. H E-L P.compmt on today's part of.

[Big Cat]

My take presented by DraftKings. Week 13 in the NFL is in the books and we're going to recap it all. We have the Thanksgiving Day games. We have the Black Friday game, maybe an extended recap of that one. Bears, Eagles. We are going to talk Thanksgiving. We're going to talk some college football as well during our back segment because it was so crazy. Lane Kiffin to lsu, Michigan, Ohio State. It was a crazy, crazy weekend.

[Hank]

Cal smu.

[Big Cat]

Cal smu. Extended weekend of football. And we're here. We're back in studio. The boys are back and we're ready to talk about all of it. We're going to start with fast two minutes as always. And it's brought to you by our friends at game time. The NFL is in full swing. Tailgates pack stands the buzz before kickoff, but getting in. Nightmare. Hank, do you got a game for us? Yeah, let's go. Did you see the. Did you see the clip of the. I. I don't know who tweeted it, but it was a. I retweeted it. Oh, yeah. Ref trying to grab his flag. This is Hank trying to get the game for the game time.

[Hank]

Okay, I put that out there. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What do you got you can go to Monday Night Football Patriots the Lighthouse.

[Hank]

113 game time app love it.

[Big Cat]

So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game time. You get the cues, the price jumps to getting logged out mid click. All you want is to be there, beer in hand, losing your voice. The Game Time app gives the advantage back to fans. The hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few taps and it's incredibly easy to use. The Game Time Guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. Plus fees are always included so what you see is what you pay. Take the guess we're out of buying NFL tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account use code PMT for $20 off your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account redeem code PMT for $20 off swipe tap ticket. Go download the GameTime app today. Okay let's go.

[Hank]

Barn and Mike Tay yeah Barn and.

[Big Cat]

Mike welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, December 1st, week 13.

[Hank]

Let us be the last to wish you a Happy Thanksgiving.

[Big Cat]

We start in Detroit for Thanksgiving where everyone was wondering when Green Day packers offense would come around as Jordan Love showed how his Billy Joe arm is strong throwing for four touchdowns on the afternoon. Detroit needed to win badly and after Amon Rob Brown goes Frazier went out early. They looked to Black Isaac Pease, Tesla and Jameson Will. I ams to get it restarted in here but it was too little too late as Dontavious John Wicks delivered the kill shot with an incredible catch to ice the game away. The Packers 31, the Lions I don't have the score in front of me.

[Hank]

The LI the Lions didn't score 31 points there.

[Big Cat]

What was the final score teach?

[Hank]

The Lions did not score 31 points.

[Big Cat]

The Packers 31, the Lions 24. What? What? I'm a little rusty from Thanksgiving. Had too much turkey.

[Hank]

Too much turkey. We go from big balls LA Floor to Big D where decaroni and Cheese Prescott had a noodle arm early on Thanksgiving, throwing an early pick saying pasta la vista. George Dickens career has been a tale of two cities, having Steelers fans saying darn, they can't cover that guy. Nat Malik my butthole Davis had Kansas City defenders looking at his backside as he ran for a long touchdown, but the Chiefs responded as Rasheed Ray Rice has elevated his game and is now finishing drives instead of abandoning them. And once upon a time in Hollywood, Brown put a nice play on film as Quentin Tarantino Williams was focused on seeing both his feet get in, but the Cowboys responded as Kevonte Burpin grabbed the loose ball in his tums and leaving Andy Patrick Reed wishing he could play on the live tour so he could wear shorts and execute all the journalists who think the Chiefs are out.

[Big Cat]

Of the playoffs now.

[Hank]

Cowboys 31 the Chiefs 28 to Black.

[Big Cat]

Friday where Max was at the game in Philadelphia we head over to Philadelphia.

[Max]

Where fans are getting in the holiday spirit early by wanting to leave Kevin home alone for the rest of the season thanks in part to a dreadful Eagles offense led by Jalen do you not realize that it hurts me when I see you play bad? As he went on to have another terrible game under center on the other side of the ball, Kyle Mufungai had the Eagles D line tripping as he and DeAndre Swift both went for over 120 yards. And for the first time in a while Caleb Pharrell Williams has Bears fan feeling happy as he has him do a 93 record. At least a Jason Statham Brown was able to say I'm the TD keeper as he once again had a big.

[Big Cat]

Game and a loss.

[Max]

Bears 24, Eagles 15 thanks Max Hank.

[Big Cat]

Was on the scene in Carolina for the Panthers and rams. In the first quarter, Chumbawamba Hubbard ran.

[Hank]

For 6 yards, was knocked down but he got up again.

[Big Cat]

Then he ran for 2 yards and.

[Hank]

Was knocked down but got up again. That caught a 35 yard touchdown from Bryce, pissing the knot away Young for seven.

[Big Cat]

Devonte John Adams was asked before the.

[Hank]

Game about him and Matthew Stafford being old and washed and said old minds.

[Big Cat]

Are like old horses, you must exercise them if you wish to keep them.

[Hank]

In working order and was rewarded with.

[Big Cat]

Two first quarter touchdowns from the MVP favorite who may have got a little.

[Hank]

Ahead of himself because in the second quarter he threw a he he interception.

[Big Cat]

To Mike Jackson who didn't stop till.

[Hank]

He got enough yards to score a touchdown and a pick six.

[Big Cat]

Then Blake Corum, if you got him.

[Hank]

Rushed one in to give the Rams the lead going into half. In the third quarter, Jalen Larry Coker said it's all about the me. It's all about the me. After catching a 33 yard touchdown and Tet offensive, McMillan surprised the Rams and America when he scored a go ahead touchdown in the fourth to give the.

[Big Cat]

Panthers a 3128 win. Thanks Hank. Was that a Blake Corm if you got him?

[Hank]

Yeah, that was a great accent. A great accent.

[Big Cat]

Thank you. In Indianapolis where after standing back and standing by. The Stroud boys were back in action as CJ Took the Texans to battle against the Colts. People who had a prop on Alec Baldwin Pierce were happy Sunday as he got the rust off and helped the sneakily loaded Colts offense. But it was the Texans defense that ruled the day as Derek Stingley Stingley Steve lost the coach on Sunday but gained a win. They're chubbed up in Houston with Nick finding the end zone of the Texans winning four in a row. Texans 20, Colts 16 and now we go to the Meadowlands where Memes is on the scene in so we head to soggy Metlife where Jamal New was moving out as he must have punt to set up the jets first touchdown. Bijan. Tim Robinson will take 23 rushes for 142 yards with seven targets and five receptions for 51 yards and one rushing. Touchdown. Ty Rodney Dangerfield said I I tell you what I I that up. You got it Stay in the pocket Memes oh I tell you what I get no respect around here as he found where where did you come from?

[Hank]

Where did you go?

[Big Cat]

Where did you come from at night Joe for a 52 yard touchdown McCrary ball so hard want to find guy I'm this whole thing up. Don't stay in the pocket me, I'm figuring it out meme Stay in the.

[Hank]

Pocket memes do the Rodney Dangerfield again.

[Big Cat]

I tell you what I don't get no respect around in it McCrary ball so hard want to find him for doing a dead fish dance and having sex on the field that set up David I'm still standing stronger than I ever did for a touchdown. Jets ended up raining on Kirk Cousin Fuckers parade as Nick Folk Hero hits a game winner for the jets to win their last three of five. Jets 27, Falcons 24 One more time with the Rodney Dangerfield. I tell you what, I don't get no respect around it. Okay we go down to Tampa for Zach In Tampa, Baker's Dozen Mayfield started Week 13 off with a double glazed pass to Tristan Wurf and turf, who swam off the plate and into the end zone from 2 yards out. Shortly after, Bucky's Irving was heard hollering brisket on the board as he dodged.

[Hank]

Ducked and dove through defenders, checking out.

[Big Cat]

At the next available register for six points.

[Hank]

Jacoby Collette Brissette snapped the ball to his toes, then he crinkled his nose wherever he throws.

[Big Cat]

The touchdown pass goes to Bam Dark Knight, who has the entire Bucs defense. Why so serious as he puts six points on their head.

[Hank]

Lastly, Chase McLaughlin to the bank like ha ha ha ha.

[Big Cat]

He's flexing on these special teams like ha ha ha sinks a fourth quarter field goal through the uprights from 6 7.

[Hank]

I mean 57 yards out.

[Big Cat]

Tampa 20, Arizona 17 thanks Zach.

[Hank]

We go to Pittsburgh as Sean McDermatologist looks to get under the skin of his old college teammate Mike Tomlinson. But William and Mary aren't just the most popular guesses for who Aaron Rodgers wife is, it's also the college football powerhouse that gave a start to this rivalry. Aarowin Rodgers was all shot up with painkillers as the Steelers playoff hopes are percolating after the Ravens loss. And in the first half, Jalen Warren Huh? Good God y'.

[Big Cat]

All.

[Hank]

What is he good for? About 35 yards rushing. Say it again, y' all scored a one yard TD to give Pittsburgh the lead, but the game turned in the second half as Rodgers took a big sack straight to his nose, leaving it bleeding either from the hit or because he was so excited to see Josh Allen. The Bills took the lead and didn't give it back, adding a score by Keon J. Cole, man, who had wisely been keeping himself out of the beef for the last few weeks. And the Steelers are back at.500 again. It's Groundhog's Day in Pittsburgh with no end in sight. Meanwhile, no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills. The bill's 26, the Steelers seven.

[Big Cat]

And that is the fastest two minutes because Jameis plays on Monday night and it's brought to you by our friends at Chevy. Football season is here and whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff, there's one ride that's always ready. Game ready. Chevy Silverado. The Chevy Silverado is a longtime partner, part of my take in our favorite truck. And it's all about grit. From job site to tailgate, Silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task. Built for the hustle. Ready for the game. Silverado is America's most dependable full size truck. For JD Power 2025 award information. Visit jdpower.comawards Head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy Silverado today. Okay, week 13 in the books. We are back in studio. Thanksgiving, everyone. Have a good Thanksgiving.

[Hank]

Had a great Thanksgiving.

[Big Cat]

Great Thanksgiving.

[Hank]

It was an awesome Thanksgiving. I had maybe killed off my leftovers this morning before I came into the office. Kind of a sad situation running out so soon. But yeah, fat happy didn't have to watch my team lose over the weekend that was. That's been nice so far.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We'll get to the Sunday football game at the end the Thanksgiving break. I love Thanksgiving, the holiday. There is a point, though, somewhere around it's like late Friday afternoon or Friday evening where you're like, what day is it and what games am I watching and what's going on right now? And you kind of lose sense of everything. You just eat. I just. I couldn't stop eating. And then Saturday happens. You're like, but I watched college football Friday as well, and now Saturday. And then you just get so confused about time and space, but it's the best on Saturday.

[Hank]

I referred to Wednesday as being Saturday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because it felt like. Like Tuesday was my Friday. And then Wednesday, Saturday. Thanksgiving felt like a Sunday. Me personally, though, I. I don't know about you guys. I miss you guys when I'm not around talking football. There was a time on Friday afternoon, I want to say, probably like around 5pm where I was like, I wish we could just do the pod.

[Big Cat]

I was thinking about an emergency pod. Zach, were you thinking about an emergency pod? I thought about it was maybe gonna happen. There was maybe an emergency pod just.

[Hank]

Because I missed talking ball with you guys, you know, to cover every game that had happened thus far.

[Big Cat]

All right, so we are going to.

[Hank]

To.

[Big Cat]

To recap Thursday and Friday, and then we'll get to Sunday. Yeah. But Thanksgiving was great. Hank, you had a good Thanksgiving? Recharge.

[Hank]

Very.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Recharge. It was.

[Hank]

I was in toddler and infantville. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's fun time.

[Hank]

It's a different world. Is that we call the first and second hole by the time. No, no, I was. I was with my family, and.

[Max]

And.

[Hank]

And, you know, my brother and sister both have young kids, and just spending the day with them.

[Big Cat]

By the time.

[Hank]

It's like seven o', clock, it feels like it's 11:30.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

Like, I was.

[Big Cat]

I was.

[Hank]

And I was exhausted, and I'm like, what did I even do today? Like, nothing, really.

[Big Cat]

I muttered to my wife, but it's exhausting. We got to get these kids back to school. We just got to get them back to school. Because every day is just like, what are we doing today? It's like, I don't fudgeing know.

[Max]

It's just got to be K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's.

[Max]

I learned that this week. K Pop Demon Hunters.

[Big Cat]

Pig songs are awesome. It's a.

[Max]

It's. It's a cheat code.

[Big Cat]

The problem is they just. When you play them, like 100 times, they become Less awesome, but they are awesome songs. Yeah.

[Hank]

Over Thanksgiving, somebody said in. In the kitchen as we're getting ready to eat, they said, K Pop Demon Hunters is on. On the TV downstairs. Every kid abandoned the main floor, sprinted downstairs.

[Max]

Literally, the exact same thing happened.

[Hank]

Yeah. It was pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

It's just Demon Hunters in my house. We've. We've shortened it.

[Max]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or Hunters. I just want.

[Max]

They're also. The kids were also scared, but. But enthralled with the show. I don't understand that. They were scared but also obsessed.

[Big Cat]

I. I went to PFT's house on Thanksgiving to fry my turkey, which he was nice enough to let me come over and use his fryer. And we got to watch football together, and it was awesome because we never get to do that.

[Hank]

It was nice.

[Big Cat]

I.

[Hank]

It time in a long time, I think that we've sat back, drank beers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And watched football.

[Big Cat]

And with. With no cameras on.

[Hank]

No cameras.

[Big Cat]

Great.

[Hank]

We were doing the pod, but just.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

For ourselves.

[Big Cat]

No one. Okay. Let's get into some games. Thursday, by the way, Thanksgiving, credit to the NFL, you delivered. I feel like we've had many Thanksgiving days where the football has not been great.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This was great football. Start to finish. We had the Packers 31, Lions 24. Jordan Love was pretty much perfect. He was throwing dimes. He was. He was dropping. He was. He was doing the deep passes to Christian Watson. He had even in the. To end the game when it was like a fourth and two and he threw that ball over the middle of the field. Yeah. The packers looked scary offensively for the first time in a long time.

[Hank]

That was a great catch by Wicks, too. He jumped out of his shoe and caught it. Also. He had a great touchdown catch earlier in the game. Jordan Love was just. Yeah, he was incredible. He's doing the fade away. He was doing like. I'm gonna. It's. You know what it is like, Kirk Cousins now tries to do that, but he does it because he's scared. Right as he throws, he just immediately turns away from the field. When Jordan Love does the fade away, he does it, like, confidently, like you're shooting a three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And he was. He was perfect on Thanksgiving.

[Big Cat]

And it was. It was the. Dan Campbell. Live by the go for it on 4th, die by the go for it on 4th. Because we had the Lions basically, like, you could look at this game, and it was. The Lions started slow. Jared Goff was good. Obviously, a Monroe getting hurt was. Was significant, but Jameson. It woke up Jameson Williams. But they had two Fourth downs that they didn't get, and if they get those, they might win the game. They had one where they were down three midfield get stuffed. And then they had the one that people are going to debate because it is Dan Campbell, and he likes to go for it. On fourth down, down 10 with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter on the Green Bay 21, and he goes for it and gets stuffed. You're down 10. You need a field goal at some point. But he's like, it. I'm going for. I'm going for this.

[Hank]

One of those hit Jameson in the hands, too. And it was like a carbon copy of. Of the debate that we had in the playoffs where the play. The play design actually worked.

[Big Cat]

It's the execution. You need to execute the play that executed.

[Hank]

If it hit Hank, what do you say about receivers? You can touch it, you can catch it. That's what we always say on this show. So I'm gonna stand by Dan Campbell. Things don't look great for the Lions right now, by the way.

[Big Cat]

That was, like, the worst week they could possibly have.

[Hank]

It seems bad. And when I. When I. I was like, oh, well, this is nothing that getting their old center back won't fix. But it turns out that Frank Ragnow had a grade three hamstring injury, which is that he was unaware of the most significant.

[Big Cat]

No, he. Well, he was slightly aware of. He wasn't. He wasn't aware of the severity, which tells you how tough Frank Ragnow is because he went in. So this was like Monday or Tuesday. He. Yeah, he went in, said he's coming back. He had to do it before week 13.

[Max]

He.

[Big Cat]

He told Dan Campbell, I got a little bit of something going on with my hamstring. Then they had him go through a physical, and they're like, yeah, it's grade three tear, which is the worst tear you can have.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's.

[Big Cat]

I don't know how he's walking. It probably is a testament to how tough he is and also how bad his body feels all the time that he didn't notice that a grade three tear. He was just living with that.

[Hank]

Grade three is hamstring falling off the bone, which is the most delicious sounding injury that you can have.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But that's pretty unreal that he was just walking around. He just thought, like, I'm old. This is just like kind of what. What waking up in the morning feels like. It's like, no, you should. You have a. You have a very severe injury, sir. Maybe they should just let him play through It.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Just like, try to toughen it. Play your way back into shape.

[Big Cat]

I. It's. So they had that.

[Hank]

Maybe his hamstring got torn because his body misses playing football.

[Big Cat]

That. That could be.

[Hank]

It's a contact.

[Big Cat]

Or. Do you think there's a chance he might have. Was like, hey, I'm coming back. And then went out in the backyard and did a sprint and just immediately tore his hamstring.

[Hank]

And he was like, I already said I'm coming back. That might be. He might not have worked out at all. And then he said, you know what? My body feels good. I'm gonna come back and play with the boys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then he's like, I better get in shape because I haven't really done anything. Let's just do one wind sprint.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, honey. Get the cones. I'm going out in the backyard.

[Hank]

And then he knows he's hurt and he's like, I still have to show up for work because I said I was going to come back.

[Big Cat]

I wonder if he'll come back next year, though, because that was. They have the. His rights for two years is what it was. What it is. I learned that.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Through this entire process. But they had Frank Ragn come back, then be immediately put on the ir. They had a Monroe get hurt, and then they lost the game. Where they're now on the outside looking in of the playoff picture. And next Thursday, they have a. Basically an elimination game against the Cowboys, which it does feel like the Lions season.

[Hank]

They have.

[Big Cat]

They have a little bit of a curse season going on right now where things have kind of fallen apart for them.

[Hank]

Yeah. Right now they're at 31% to make the playoffs on the athletic playoff simulator.

[Big Cat]

Zach, can you fix this middle tv? Because I know we'll pull some stuff up. And we're. Right now we're looking at a beautiful lake scene and a. AI. I don't even know what this is.

[Hank]

It does look nice, though. We got some tea. Some tea out there.

[Big Cat]

Looks beautiful. But yeah, the Lions. I mean, Lions fans have to be. I think it's past panic button.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They're in trouble because even with the way the NFC playoff picture is looking right now, there are like, you. You have to basically win out if you're. Right now, if you're the Cowboys or the Lions and you play each other on Thursday.

[Hank]

Yeah. This is the. The deep end. This is the deep water that. That Dan Campbell talked about dragging somebody out into and just treading water until the other guy drowns. You're in that water Right now.

[Big Cat]

Oh, also turns out Michael Parsons still very good because he's son of a. He was an awesome game closer in that game where I think he had two and a half sacks, one of them in the fourth quarter and it was like, oh, yeah. That's why you get a guy like that who can beat anyone in big, big time downs.

[Hank]

He had an awesome game. The packers have to be feeling pretty good about themselves. Also lafleur credit to him. He was doing some of the Dan Campbell stuff. Yeah, I feel like when, when coaches coach against Dan Campbell, they're like, I have. I don't want my team to think that I'm a chicken shit.

[Big Cat]

It was actually. There was a moment, I think it was during the Cowboys Chiefs games after, after watching the Packers Lions, where I was like, could you imagine 20 years ago explaining this NFL to someone because there were so many fourth downs that teams like, it wasn't even a question if it was 4th and 2. 4th and 3 is like, the punt team's not coming out. It's just such a different league now.

[Hank]

And you know what? We needed a guy like Dan Campbell to make it happen. We needed a guy that looks like Dan Campbell to make the revolution happen. Because you can get the Brandon Staley's all you want, but when the Brandon Staley's are going forward on fourth down because of math, everybody looks at that guy and they're like, that guy's not a football guy, that's a nerd.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When Dan Campbell does it, you're like, I guess math is for men now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Finally.

[Big Cat]

Oh shit. They made this so the guys can do it.

[Hank]

Finally.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, the packers offense waking up was a little scary because that, that does. Their defense is good. And although golf was. I mean, he, they started slow, but he was, he was dicing him up for a little bit there. And, and like I said, Jameson Williams, like, he's just. I love whenever a guy catches the ball coming across the middle and it's like no one can touch him because he's so much faster than everyone.

[Hank]

I like it in the NFL when a guy completely reverses fields. Like in a college play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And they tell you not to do that in the NFL, but the guy can still do the same stuff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

In the NFL. Also, his shirt was very confusing to me. He had like the 4 7th sleeve. Yeah, that's so that's the closest he made me do fractions on Thanksgiving. I was like, that's not a half sleeve. That's like maybe a little bit longer. But it's not the Belichick.

[Big Cat]

And underneath too. It was flapping around. Yeah. Wearing Patrick Ewing shirt.

[Hank]

But he did look, he did look faster with that shirt for some reason.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The wind just whipping around for him.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game. Dallas 31, Kansas City 28. This was an incredible game. Dak Prescott outplayed Patrick Mahomes. I mean, Mahomes was, was good. Mahomes, I think. Did Mahomes have four touchdowns. Four touchdowns and no interceptions.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they lost the game. But Dak had that early pick. But after that he was pretty much perfect. And including the, the, the last drive where he doesn't give the Chiefs the ball back because he finds George Pickens on, on that big play on that third and two. And the Cowboys, I don't like their defenses figured it out. Jerry Jones. There was a story before the game that he actually wanted to trade Micah Parsons for Quinn and Williams. That's how bad he liked him. He wanted to trade Micah Parsons for Quinn and Williams in a Jets first round pick. They said no. So then he traded for two packers first round picks and then traded for Quinn and Williams. But it works because Quinn Williams was a monster in this game. And the Cowboys defense, which was so, so bad to start the season, now looks like, like they got big stops. They got that. There was that moment in the game when I think the Chiefs were down seven in the fourth quarter and Patrick Holmes got the ball and you're like, okay, here comes the Chiefs.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they stopped him on a three and out. You're like, oh, fuck. Cowboys defense. And, and the Chiefs did have a lot of drops and penalties, but they're not the same.

[Hank]

Chief Chiefs had a lot of penalties and. But their defense wasn't good. That's the thing is like the Chiefs, their defense has been able to step up. Dak was great. George Pickens was unguardable when he was running slants.

[Big Cat]

When he jumped over, I was screaming, screaming in my living room.

[Hank]

And he did have that fumble at the end. And Turpin just pounds. Turpin flies in out of nowhere. Yeah, that could have been a different game if he didn't recover that. But yeah, I listen since that, what was it? The Monday night game? Jaguars? The, the Cowboys game?

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Hank]

Well, after that, but I mean the Raiders Cowboys game, I think on Monday night, it's looked like a different team with the Cowboys and they look like a legit contender if they can get their shit together, if they can. They basically have no margin for error.

[Big Cat]

They have an elimination game. They have to win against the Lions on Thursday.

[Hank]

They have a loser.

[Big Cat]

That game is probably, like, all but eliminated. And then they have to. Yeah, they probably have to run the table.

[Hank]

They have no margin for error. But the Dallas Cowboys, I think, because we don't have any real great teams in football right now. The Dallas Cowboys, I think, are playing as good as any team. The Chiefs, however. I'm gonna. I think. I think the Chiefs are eliminated. I. I am eliminating the Can.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

The Kansas City. No, I don't give a. I'll say it, because. Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs have been eliminated from playoff contention.

[Big Cat]

I wanted to do this so bad, and then I dove into it.

[Hank]

Nope, they have.

[Big Cat]

I have. I have some bad news for you.

[Hank]

They're out.

[Big Cat]

I dove into it.

[Hank]

So they're.

[Big Cat]

Next Sunday night is an elimination game for the Chiefs. Like, if they lose the Texans there, then I will 100% agree with you. They're out. But unfortunately, if you look at the playoff picture right now, in the afc, you say the Patriots. The Broncos are all. But they're in.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Okay. You say the AFC south winner and the AFC north winner is going to be in. Chargers are at 7 and 4 and bills at 7 and 4. They both beat the Chiefs. The Chiefs do play the Chargers again. The Colts are not going to make the playoffs.

[Hank]

Come on.

[Big Cat]

And the Chiefs beat the Colts.

[Hank]

Come on.

[Big Cat]

And that's where the. That's where the Chiefs playoff spot.

[Hank]

I. I think the Colts are gonna limp.

[Big Cat]

I was getting. I know. I know, Hank. I'm sorry. You were. You're never wrong. Just early. The Colts aren't going to make the playoffs and the Chiefs are going to make.

[Hank]

I think they're going to limp in.

[Big Cat]

They have to beat the Texans. If the Chiefs beat the Texans, they. They. There is a pat. They cannot lose another game.

[Hank]

I've looked at the schedule, too. I just don't think that they can run the table because that's going to be. It's hard. These aren't the same Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

I understand.

[Hank]

I think that they're. I think they're a good team, but I don't think that they're going to be able to run the table.

[Big Cat]

Okay. But their hardest games left are all at home. They play the Texans, Chargers and Broncos at home.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

They play the Titans and Raiders on the road. I think they are like, oh, and five on the road, I believe. Or they've lost five games on the road this year. So they've been bad on the road. So this is all under the premise that the Chiefs run the table. Obviously if they lose another game they have no shot of make or they're going to pretty much no shot at making the playoffs. If the Chiefs and the Colts have the same record. Pft. The Chiefs beat the Colts. Tell me right now, do you think the Colts can go four and one in this stretch? At Jaguars at Seahawks, verse Niners, verse Jaguars at Texans, they have to go 4 and 1. If the Chiefs run the play, run.

[Hank]

The, run the, the table, I think that's probably unlikely.

[Big Cat]

So that's the problem.

[Hank]

That's the problem. But that's the problem. I just don't think that the Chiefs are going to run the table.

[Big Cat]

Right. That, that I, I can probably agree with because they have shown that they like have not had the same ability to win these close games. But looking at it and I was just like oh fuck, the Colts could be the free fall team. Because the whole time I was like well the Bills beat the Chiefs, Chargers beat the Chiefs. The teams in front, the Jaguars beat the Chiefs. And then I was like oh fuck, it's the Colts.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that's the, that is the free fall team. I, I, I hope the Colts can stave them off. But that's why they still, what's the percentage right now? 37%. That's why they still had, that's why they still have a 37 chance to make playoffs and it again elimination game next Sunday night. Not maybe not for the Texans because the Texans can still win the South.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

But for the Chiefs it is if they lose that game, they will now have every single team like in front of them in the standings has the head to head.

[Hank]

Except I went as far as in my own brain. I was thinking to myself if you're a Chiefs fan, what team would you rather win? The AFC if you're out of the playoffs? Let's say Chiefs are eliminated. Jaguars, they have to, they have to spectate. But if it came down like if the, the AFC championship game was the Broncos and the Bills, who would Chiefs fans. Who would they be?

[Big Cat]

I think they probably root for the.

[Hank]

Bills probably because then you could say that that's the one I came to. Then if they win the suit, you probably root for them to win the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're like the one time is because we didn't make it.

[Hank]

Yeah. Asterisks right to the Bills. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And, and Chiefs fans do hate Broncos. So yeah. Let us know Chiefs fans if that, if that happens. What if it was Patriots, Broncos. I've seen Chiefs Fans coming after Andy Reid. Yeah, it's getting ugly. That's insane. But it's also, I mean, the Chiefs not making the playoffs would be shocking. Mahomes is in his prime. That would be a shocking, shocking thing to happen to. Not even like if the Chiefs make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Years like that happen to every franchise or every like elite quarterback where it's like, oh, yeah, you know, it wasn't our year. To not make the playoffs would be crazy.

[Hank]

Yeah, it would be. But it would, it might be the best thing for the Chiefs. It would, it would force them into making some moves.

[Big Cat]

I mean, they're gonna have to make moves anyway because it does feel like some of their older players. But man, I, I just, I, I still. The, the Chiefs are always going to be in that. They're not dead until they're fully, until there's a E, little E next to their name. Because I, I just looking at it and that is not like a slight on the Colts. It's just that if the Chiefs can run the table, the Colts are going to be in trouble because they have to, would have to go 4 and 1 to, to beat them out for that spot.

[Hank]

I'll say it. I think they're done. I can be the little E next to their name.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Yeah, I'm a little E. Yeah, that's. I, I don't. Listen, I don't think that the Chiefs are, I don't think they're a bad football team right now. I think that they're much better than they were at the start of the season. But I just don't see them winning every game from here on out.

[Big Cat]

10 penalties for 119 yards. Very. It's just every Chief's loss, you're just like, what is going on here? Like, yeah, the, the games and the drops and, and weird and like homes again. He played well, but there was like a couple plays that he missed. A guy you're like, what is that?

[Hank]

Yeah. And Dak Prescott did a great job improvising on broken down plays too. But still, George Pickens, he was just running slants all.

[Big Cat]

That's the best all day.

[Hank]

He's so good.

[Big Cat]

Cowboys are scary and their offense is scary.

[Hank]

Like CD Lamb had a great game too. When you have both those guys playing good, you're not going to be able to stop that Cowboys offense.

[Big Cat]

And CD Lamb. Yeah, I mean CD Lamb was just getting, I feel like he had how many, how many pass interferences were called against him, which those should Count for receiving yards.

[Hank]

I agree. And passing yards.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because it felt like every time he was. He. He had a few of them. I'm. I'm looking it up. Combined, they had 13 catches for 200 receiving yards and one touchdown. And George Pickens caught five of seven targets for 85 yards when covered by Jalen. He's so good, man. He's so good. See? Yeah. CD Lamb was. I. They're just. They just have dudes everywhere. And they even had. I mean, Jake Ferguson's awesome. Yeah, the run game's awesome. And Dak is playing at MVP level. Dak is my official pick for. He will not win the mvp, but a lot of people will say in the next month he should be in the conversation for mvp. So he wins that award. He wins the award for being in the conversation for mvp, which is a.

[Hank]

Good conversation to be in.

[Big Cat]

Right. He's not going to win it, but we. There's going to be many people who are like, you know, who should be in the conversation. Dak Prescott. Can we actually make a graphic for him? He wins that award. He. Officially.

[Hank]

Well, let's see who will have that.

[Big Cat]

Said about him the most.

[Hank]

Who are the nominees for Conversation? I would say Miles Garrett.

[Big Cat]

Yep. And Dak Prescott.

[Hank]

I think those are the two.

[Big Cat]

Jsn. Although, yeah. Didn't have the. A huge game today. He's probably not going to break the record.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, those. And I think Dak Prescott wins the. The award for most times said. You know who should be in the conversation. Yep. Okay, next one. Bengals 32, Ravens 14. They forgot about Joe Burrow.

[Hank]

Joe Burrow. He looked great. But more importantly, the Bengals defense. I don't know. Do we call him opportunistic?

[Big Cat]

Well, the Isaiah likely fumble was pretty.

[Hank]

Significant, but that was also a great play that they made.

[Big Cat]

Definitely.

[Hank]

And I like that rule.

[Big Cat]

I don't know why he reached out.

[Hank]

I know that everybody says whenever it happens is the worst rule in sports. I hate this rule. I like the. The forced touchback rule. If you play through the 99th yard on the football field, every other rule out there is generated to. To favor the offense. This is the one rule that the defenses have. And the plane of the goal line is where all other rules on a football field cease to exist. So just because it goes through the end zone, people are like, that's the. Where it's a turbo. I don't care. It's in the end zone. It's different. That said, I'm glad they didn't call it in the Ohio State, Michigan game. Because that one. That one didn't feel like.

[Big Cat]

I still don't even understand it.

[Hank]

That one didn't feel like it was a fumble in the end zone. This. This was a great play that the defense made. Lamar has some of the dumbest fumbles of all time, and so he contributed that too.

[Big Cat]

He looks off.

[Hank]

He looks off. He doesn't look. Well, I. I can't even chalk his fumbles up to, like, him being hurt. He just. Just looked like he.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he just looks a little off.

[Hank]

Yeah. Like his fingers were fat or something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the. He did reply to someone I saw. I think it was Saturday. Someone's like, lamar's got to be the most overrated guy in the NFL. And he's just said say less. So he's seeing it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The. Isaiah likely, though. I don't know why you reach out there. He. There's just no reason to. And we've seen a million times. It was also like, it wasn't a diving reach out. It was just he was standing upright and extended the ball away from his body and that's when it got hit out.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, the. The Bengals defense is playing well. Opportunistic Joe Burrow being back. Turns out he does matter a lot. As much as we love Joe Flacco, there's a pretty big difference between Joe Burrow and 40 year old Joe Flacco. The. What's the movie, Hank, with the totem that you spin Inception and what was the totem supposed to be? It was like, you know, you're in. You know you're not dreaming. Okay. If it. I feel like the inception totem for NFL fans last three years is someone tweeting, don't let the Bengals in the playoffs. And then we won't. Yeah, that's. I. I saw it on. On Thursday night. Like, don't let these Bengals in the playoffs. Okay.

[Hank]

Then we say we probably won't. We say, okay, thanks. Thanks for the heads up.

[Big Cat]

I agree they're scary if Joe Burrow gets the playoffs, but they won't like it.

[Hank]

Makes you wonder what would happen if the Bengals ever got in the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

They're the number one don't let them in the playoffs team three years running.

[Hank]

That's when. That's when it's like aliens telling us not to do that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like that's when the world will come to an end if the. If they make it back.

[Big Cat]

It's just every year around this time. Do not let the Bengals in the playoffs. Okay?

[Hank]

We won't I do. I would put the Bengals in the. The broken but putting it back together category. Yeah, I would put the Ravens in the broken but it just fell apart category.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And I've never seen players enjoy the post game Thanksgiving meal. Like, I saw the Bengals enjoy the post game Thanksgiving meal out on the field. They actually ate all of it. I think they ate the entire turkey. They had all the sides. They had some crabs that people were just gnawing on on the football field. It was, it was, it was cool to see them that happy. Like, I think Evan McPherson walked away with entire tray of mashed potatoes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they were, they were very, very happy. And, and I listen. They do play the Ravens again. They have a very big game against the Bills coming up. That's their. Bills and Ravens are the hardest two games and they're coming up in the next two weeks. So if they win those two games, it will definitely get a lot of. Don't let the AFC north is kind of a bummer this year.

[Hank]

Big time bummer.

[Big Cat]

It's, it's, it's the bummer division.

[Hank]

Nobody wants to win it.

[Big Cat]

It's, it's very odd to look at because usually the AFC north is 2 to 3 really, really good teams like, fighting it out. And now it's, you know, the Ravens had all this momentum. They lose the Bengals, the Steelers look very sad. It's just a bummer.

[Hank]

If you were to say, like, which team do you not want to play right now in the AFC North? Bengals.

[Big Cat]

Bengals. Don't let them get in the playoffs.

[Hank]

The Bengals may. Well, I wouldn't want to play the Browns because they might, they might hurt somebody on our offense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Even like as we kick their ass.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, the Bengals would be the team. I mean, I know that it's recency bias, but they have turned it around defensively in the last three games. And Joe Burrows back.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I don't know. I can't make the Ravens even in their five game winning streak. I mean, Stavi said it on Wednesday. Like, they still don't look like they're dominating teams. They're not. They're not doing it in an impressive fashion.

[Hank]

Stavi, we tried. We got you on when you were feeling pretty good about yourself. The Ravens were back. I don't know. I don't know. So you had Stavi had a good Greek Thanksgiving, though, because the, the Chiefs Cowboys game, that was like, lamb rice, lamb Rice, lamb rice. He's probably pretty psyched about that.

[Big Cat]

Yes. But the. Yeah, the Bengals don't let him in the playoffs. You scared of the Bengals?

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Who are you? Who updated who you're scared of? I don't even know who. Oh, no, nobody.

[Hank]

Nobody yourselves.

[Big Cat]

It's Chiefs and Bills.

[Hank]

I. I have respect. I. I have respect for. For good quarterbacks and teams that have gotten there. And Ravens too, I guess that's meant to be. That's very mean. They've got to. What you just said. I have respect for teams like the Bills, the Chiefs with good quarterbacks that have gotten there.

[Big Cat]

And the Ravens.

[Hank]

The Ravens and Bills are the same thing.

[Big Cat]

They haven't made to the championship. Yeah. Good teams with experience, MVP level quarterbacking, that's what you don't want to face in the playoffs.

[Hank]

Are you afraid of the Chargers?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Are you afraid of the Jaguars? Nope.

[Big Cat]

Texans? Yeah, they're a little scary.

[Hank]

Texans are a little scary.

[Big Cat]

We'll talk about them in a little bit. But they're. The way they're playing defensively is.

[Hank]

Is they have momentum, and obviously there's a long way to go for the playoffs, but the Texans have momentum. Are you afraid of Doddington Bones?

[Big Cat]

No. Oh. You're the number one dining team.

[Hank]

The Commanders. Okay, we're recording this before the game starts. They're not going to lose. The Commanders are going to beat them in the first half, I think, and the Broncos are going to win by 14 points.

[Big Cat]

This would be a good prediction. Came true.

[Hank]

I know my team pretty well.

[Big Cat]

Manders first half.

[Hank]

Manders first half.

[Big Cat]

Broncos. I took Broncos game.

[Hank]

I took it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, before we do Black Friday and then get to Sunday's games. DraftKings. One touchdown could change everything. The crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. Feel that same rush with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, where every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in. With DraftKings Sportsbook, all the actions in your hands. First touchdown, anytime TD. Live bets, every play, every snap, every game matters. Missouri listeners, listen up. DraftKings Sportsbook is now live in the show Me state. Here's the best part. New customers bet just $5, and if your bet wins, you'll get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When your team hits the end zone, you can hit the Payout. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE Bet 5 bucks. Get $200 in bonus bets. If your bet wins in partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 877-8-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 in Connecticut. Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas. Pass through of per wager tax may apply in Illinois. 20 eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required for additional terms and responsible gaming resources. See dkng Co Audio Limited Time Offer okay Black Friday Bears 24, Eagles 15 how do you want to do this? Max?

[Max]

You start.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I'll start. That's actually better. I'll start. I'll talk exclusively about the Bears because I don't I I want to hear what you have to say about the Eagles, but I don't it doesn't like I want to hear what you have to say about the Eagles because it was. I was more just pumped about the Bears. That was the biggest Bears win since Sunday Night Football 2018 when the Rams came to town and they absolutely throttled that Rams offense. That was like the greatest thing. Ended up going to the Super Bowl. It was awesome. They absolutely man footballed the Philadelphia Eagles. They ran for 281 yards. Manangai and DeAndre Swift both had over 120 yards as first time in franchise history the two guys went over 120 yards. At 177 yards after contact. The defense looked good. The defense is getting healthy. Jalen Johnson, Kyler Gordon are back. Nayshaan Wright might have might have hacked the tush push.

[Hank]

Well yeah. Jalen Hurts said that the tush push is getting harder and harder to pull off. Just going from the side and take the ball from him.

[Big Cat]

It was, it was. It was such a fun watch. It was. It's the first clinch the first winning season since 2018. So the Bears obviously with their ninth win cannot have a losing season this year. Ben Johnson taking off his shirt after the game. Free hot dogs at Wiener Circle on Tuesday. Everything about this team is just fun. It's just fun. Caleb Williams throwing that absolute dot after they just pounded and pounded and pounded the Eagles and then they're like oh look we're going to do a little little. We're going to slip Cole Comet here into the end zone and throw one over your over the top. It was just awesome.

[Hank]

Ben Johnson might have his Montgomery and Gibbs. Yep, he's got two headed monster and.

[Big Cat]

The so I do owe an apology to Ryan Pulse. I've been critical of Ryan Poles at times I don't know where our friendship, our friendship lies right now because we haven't talked in a long time. But we did have a somewhat of a friendship before that. What he did with this offensive line in the off season is insane because the Bears have a true identity. They just, that wasn't a one, a one off. Oh my God. They just figured out how to run the ball one game. So the stat that, that's pretty crazy is The Bears had 28 runs against the Eagles of four plus yards. That's the most in the game in the NFL this season. The second most is the Bears against the Bengals when they had 26, four plus yard runs. They have an identity. They can fucking smash guys like through four quarters. And that in the interior of the offensive line, which is, was all free agency has been absolute monsters and it's awesome to watch. And so Ryan Polls deserves a ton of credit. And Manung guy a draft. A draft where everyone, every Bears fan was sitting there on draft night being like, we need to get a running back. We need to get a running back. And every time we tried to get a running back, he got taken right before the Bears pick. We get Manungai in the seventh round and he's just a fucking monster. So it's awesome. It's so much fun to watch. This team is, is good and they proved it going into Philadelphia beating the super bowl champs at home. And not just beating them like, like beating them. That wasn't just that beating them. We beat the fuck out of Belta.

[Hank]

Signature win for Ben Johnson so far.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

I'm just going to say this. Don't, don't let the Chicago Bears get a home playoff game because you might.

[Big Cat]

Not seed right now.

[Hank]

You might not like what you see and what you have to deal with in bare weather.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you can run the ball.

[Hank]

That, that offense, that offense travels to.

[Big Cat]

January and, and, and Dennis Allen has done an incredible job with this defense. And now that they're getting healthy, it's like the strength of the defense is going to be the cornerback. The secondary, the pass rush is still, you know, it's not an elite pass rush. We don't. Our linebackers are still hurt, but you now have guys like Nayshaan Wright wasn't going to be as, you know, playing like tons of meaningful minute. But then he ends up playing because Kyler Gordon and Jalen Johnson get hurt and then C.J. gardner, Johnson gets signed and like so now they have depth at this position. That was a weakness and they're taking the ball away. And they're just. They have an identity. It's culture. It's. It's. It was crazy watching on. I know it wasn't Thanksgiving Day, it was Black Friday. But thinking about a year prior for the Bears in Detroit, the mat eber flutes doesn't know how to use timeouts game. And he gets fired on Black Friday the next day. And thinking about how it's been one year and Ben Johnson has turned this whole thing around to a point where the Bears are a legitimately good team and they can play with anyone.

[Hank]

Are you thinking Soupy?

[Big Cat]

Okay, so here's. I knew you were going to ask that question.

[Hank]

You have to think Soupy. No, the answer is yes.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm not. Here's why.

[Hank]

You have to think soon.

[Big Cat]

Can you let me answer the question?

[Hank]

Number. Number one.

[Big Cat]

Can you let me answer the question? Can you let me answer the question?

[Hank]

Can you just pull up. Yeah, pull up the seat.

[Big Cat]

Can you let me answer the question?

[Hank]

Yeah. Bears are the one seed.

[Big Cat]

It's packers week. You have to go to Lambeau and beat the packers because if you don't beat the packers, it's going to be like, well, it's the same old thing. That's the. If it wasn't packers week, I probably would be sitting here saying, I'm thinking Soupy, but it's Packers.

[Hank]

Yeah, but you can.

[Big Cat]

You have to go to Lambeau and beat the Packers. You can, because the packers, all their fans are like, it's cute that you're the one seed right now. We're gonna kick the out of you and Lambeau and it's gonna be same old Bears. My focus is on the packers after next Sunday, when we're sitting here next Sunday night. If the Bears beat the packers, then yes, that will absolutely be. Be Be thought in my. A thought in my head.

[Hank]

I'll say it.

[Big Cat]

But you have to. You have to beat the Packers. Let's say the fact this is all happening, the Bears having. They're catching their first winning season, their biggest win in seven years, and it's all leading up to going to Lambeau. I see. I see the trap. That's why I got to stay focused.

[Hank]

Okay. For everybody. Not. I'm going to put big Cat down as a.

[Big Cat]

No, not yet.

[Hank]

Everyone else. Packers week is every. Who here is thinking Soupy for the Bears. I'm thinking Soupy for the Bears. One me. Hank. Yes, I agree.

[Big Cat]

You got to beat the Packers. It's got to beat the Packers.

[Max]

If you win this week, then it's Then it's super.

[Big Cat]

If this was Browns this week, I would probably be like, being. I would be a little more like, oh, yeah, this soup. It's Packers.

[Hank]

I. I have to be. I. I outsource all my Soupy takes to Hank. Hank is a. He's got documented winning that just popped out of this.

[Big Cat]

He just popped out.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's packers week, though. You got to beat the packers, and it's at Lambeau. It's a great test because this is.

[Max]

Exactly what packers want. Is every Bears fan being like, we're thinking Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

You can packers and still go to the Super Bowl. I understand, but this is that how we play against the Packers. You're positioning yourself. I'll say this.

[Hank]

I do.

[Big Cat]

I. I'm not scared of any team. Like, there's no team in the NFC that I'm like, this team is. Is significantly better than the Bears. But you have to beat the pack.

[Hank]

Packers fans have to be pumped that you beat the Eagles, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Coming off a big.

[Hank]

Probably excited about that.

[Big Cat]

Coming off a big one.

[Hank]

Max, you sure you don't want to change your mind to. You are thinking soupy for the.

[Big Cat]

I appreciate you having my back. Max, you got to beat the Packers.

[Max]

Why would I.

[Hank]

No, Zach, are you sure you don't want to change your mind?

[Big Cat]

He's got the bucks. I like the thought process there. It does make sense.

[Hank]

So that's a yes from Zach.

[Big Cat]

That's a net.

[Hank]

That's a.

[Big Cat]

That's classic Zach. Zach. Non answer. Do the Bears have to beat the Packers? That was not fence sitting whatsoever. You don't have to beat them to still go to the Super Bowl. Headspace. If you go in a Lambo, beat the packers and then go to the super.

[Hank]

Because I'm saying right now we're at a 3, 3 tie on this podcast. If Zach flipped his vote, then we could put out a graphic that said we're thinking. That's part of my take.

[Big Cat]

Do not. If you're gonna go as a podcast.

[Hank]

We'D be thinking soupy. If you're gonna be a Super bowl.

[Big Cat]

Champion team and a championship dvd, maybe.

[Hank]

A loss at Lambeau is the thing. Yeah, good point, Hank.

[Big Cat]

I knew this was coming. I. I'm thinking about.

[Hank]

We're trying to guess.

[Big Cat]

I know you are. I know you are. I do. But I. I literally after the. The win on Friday, I was so happy. I was just consuming every piece of content I could. And then I woke up Saturday morning. I was like, packer week. It starts now. Because they got you know what? The packers got an extra day, too. Yeah, they. They started an extra day.

[Hank]

A good loss to the packers can be.

[Big Cat]

Stop. No, because the, the, the NFC playoff picture is pretty insane.

[Hank]

Because you can.

[Big Cat]

Obviously the Bears being one seed right now is awesome. And I've looked at it a million times, but there are. How many teams? There's, there's. There are five teams.

[Max]

Every single team has the same record.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there's four teams with three losses and the Niners have four losses. And we play the Niners in a few weeks. It's insane. Like, this thing is so fluid. It's awesome. But I'm not. You can't. If you take a victory lap right now, you're. You're setting it up yourself up for heartbreak. If I'm not allowed to be positive, can I say, ask a crazy question, Hank.

[Hank]

I'm going to give you. I don't know the answer to it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Is there.

[Big Cat]

Can the Bears not make the playoffs?

[Max]

Yeah, I was just about to say that. Out of all. According to the, the playoff probability, out of all the teams currently in the playoffs, the Bears currently have the least. Are the least likely to make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

We're the 1 seed and we have the lowest odds out of everyone.

[Max]

Everyone else is like 80 or 90% because our schedule. 6%. Yeah, I.

[Big Cat]

If the Bears don't make the playoffs, it's a, It's a devastation because, I mean, I said that if you get to nine wins, if. I said if you beat the Eagles, you have to, you have to make the playoffs.

[Hank]

I think you can lose the packers this week. You get the opportunity to avenge that.

[Big Cat]

Loss to the packers in two weeks.

[Hank]

Play them two times in three weeks, build momentum. Then we're thinking, Soupy, listen, these are great.

[Big Cat]

I, I never thought that a year after Eber flutes, like to the day almost that we would even be having this conversation because, you know, you thought, hey, Ben Johnson, awesome hire. You don't know what's going to happen with Caleb. You don't know what's going to happen with the team. Are they like couple years. They. They're good right now. Ben Johnson. I would die for Ben Johnson. I'd leave my wife for Ben Johnson. I know he probably doesn't like that, but it's.

[Hank]

Your wife probably doesn't like it either.

[Big Cat]

Well, no, she probably would understand. Think of, Think of the dual income me and Ben Johnson would have. We'd buy a nice house.

[Hank]

He's got a great body.

[Big Cat]

He's got.

[Hank]

Dude, he's ripped he's ripped.

[Big Cat]

He's so rich.

[Hank]

I don't necessarily trust a coach that's that ripped.

[Big Cat]

I. I have.

[Hank]

I do.

[Big Cat]

I have a take.

[Hank]

Why is that?

[Big Cat]

I have a. I have a scary take.

[Hank]

I'm down with ripped, jacked. Coaches. Alpha men.

[Big Cat]

You guys, you haven't.

[Hank]

You have a guy coach who's jacked up, but he's. But he's not. Like, I guarantee if you took Mike Vrabel's shirt off, he doesn't have a six pack jack. No, but he's. He's jacked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. I have a takes because. Yeah, I know. I'm not giving you guys what you want and saying that. I'm thinking soupy, but I will give you something else, a take that will possibly blow up in my face somewhere down the line if you'd like. Who is the alpha in Detroit? Was it Ben Johnson or Dan Campbell? Ben Johnson can run the football. Ben Johnson is jacked. Ben Johnson's a culture builder.

[Max]

Who.

[Hank]

Who do you think would win in a fight?

[Big Cat]

I'm just saying. Ben Johnson is a dude.

[Hank]

Dan Campbell.

[Big Cat]

Okay, but I'm just saying, like, the violence, the aggression, the way they. The offensive. Like a violence that he imposes on other teams. Was that Dan Campbell or was that Ben Johnson? It's a question.

[Hank]

Chicken or the egg Combination. Combination.

[Big Cat]

Probably a combination. Probably fair to say a combination. But. Dan. But. But the way Ben Johnson has his football team believing is fucking crazy.

[Hank]

I've got a very important question for this podcast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it's really. It's directed to Max.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we. Let's talk about the Eagles.

[Hank]

Yeah. Max, it's a. It's a simple question, but I feel like there's nuance to your answer. Are the Eagles good?

[Big Cat]

Max, I got a follow up question. You were at the game.

[Max]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

How much did you boo?

[Max]

I was partaking in booing, but it was more a lot of silence of like, I. They also just kept putting. Putting me on the Jumbotron.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Max]

They put me on the Jumbotron three times.

[Big Cat]

They really? Yeah.

[Hank]

They kept the game broadcast. What, they kept you off, like the video feed?

[Max]

Well, yeah, that's.

[Big Cat]

That's fine because from the. From watching it, outside of the big takeaway being the Bears were just manhandling the Eagles. It was the anger that Philadelphia had. It was an entire afternoon of just shots of Eagles fans booing, fingers, everything.

[Hank]

There was that one guy that had the. The weird sideburns and they kept showing them at the perfect time and just booing the foot like the most clearly enunciated boo with the thumbs down that.

[Big Cat]

He was giving the double luchador mascot.

[Max]

I was doing more thumbs down than booing to be thumbs. The thumbs down. I was, I was enjoying.

[Big Cat]

So walk us through the day. You were, you were pretty pumped for this game.

[Max]

Everyone was. It was the, it was the most expensive. It was the most expensive ticket of the year in Philly. Everyone's home. Home for Thanksgiving. 3:00 clock start. Nice cold weather. Great tailgating. Football weather. The tail.

[Hank]

The.

[Max]

The stadium was absolutely packed before the game. Everyone I like possibly knew was going to the tailgate just because it was such a good tailgating day. But I couldn't get into the game because it was such a hot ticket.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you.

[Max]

It was like such a good shout out game time for getting me in.

[Big Cat]

Well, I got a question for you, Max. Is there anyone you tailgated with that you own apology to.

[Max]

You talking about Diana?

[Big Cat]

I would be talking about journalist of the year, Diana Rossini.

[Max]

I never said. No, I do not apologize. I never said that what she said was wrong. You can go back and listen to everything I said. I said, I just don't want to read it. I just said I'm opting out of partaking in any of her reports.

[Hank]

Max, you probably got a lot of people that are now thinking of you as being a Racini by proximity. It's like her hatred for the Eagles rubbed off on you.

[Big Cat]

You kind of endorsed her by hanging out with.

[Hank]

There's probably some Eagles fans.

[Max]

Is such a beast. The best.

[Hank]

Kevin.

[Max]

Kevin is like I, he.

[Hank]

He is essentially Max. He's Max.

[Big Cat]

That's what Max texted us before the game. He's like, I love Diana.

[Max]

So Diana and her husband came over to like our tailgate to come say hello. And I only talk to her husband. I talked to Diana for maybe like 30 seconds, took a picture and then like 20 minutes with, with her husband. Just talking birds talking about Diana's reporting.

[Hank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Max]

A lot of talking about Diana's reporting. Yeah. No, it, the. I didn't post that picture that I took with Diana for that reason because if it came out, it would look bad on me. But obviously she did.

[Hank]

It did come out.

[Max]

Yeah, she posted.

[Hank]

Wait, so you, you thank God you didn't post. So you said I'm not, you said I'm not going to post this picture of and nobody will know.

[Max]

Well, yeah, I didn't put.

[Hank]

Who, whose phone was the picture taken on?

[Max]

I think mine. I think mine.

[Big Cat]

But.

[Hank]

But then you sent it to Her. And she posted it.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So you're. You're a source. You're a source now for Diana.

[Big Cat]

Diana.

[Hank]

So, like, any of the bad Eagle stuff. Picture didn't get out there. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So, Max, what are the Eagles?

[Max]

I don't know. They suck. But every. But every team sucks right now. Every team. The NFL is just not good. I don't. I don't understand it. But what's going on in Philly is insane. They went from. They brought back their entire offense last year. They lost one guy. They lost Makai Becton, their right guard, arguably the fifth, the fifth best offensive lineman on the roster, maybe the best.

[Big Cat]

Player on the team.

[Hank]

They also lost Kellen Moore.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Max]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

And we told you.

[Max]

Kevin.

[Big Cat]

Kevin is a fake Italian.

[Max]

Kevin Petullo, great guy. He's. He's done.

[Hank]

He's like, I don't know. Because Sirianni's got his back.

[Max]

I understand. And it's going. It'll. Nothing will change for the rest of the year unless Jeffrey Laurie or Howie Roseman get involved. And they're like, Nick, you have no choice. Like, we can't keep going with the Toolo. We've given him chance and chance and chance and chance again to make a single adjustment and not one thing has changed. I am sick of turning on espn. And every single person is just looking at, looking at everything the Eagles offense is doing and, and all of them are making adjustments. Why can't we make an adjustment? Why do we just keep doing the same fucking thing over and over and over and over again? It's not working. It's bad. We have. We have guys laughing at us on the opposing team after the game when they're asked, did you know what the Eagles are going to run? Every team knows what the Eagles are going to run because we just run the simplest offense in the world. How are. Is every other person in football recognizing what is going on to this offense except for Kevin Batullo and Nick Sirianni themselves to make a fucking change. Nothing is changing. Make a fucking change.

[Hank]

I'm going to say two words. Chip Kelly, bring him back.

[Max]

Anything. I would take anything.

[Hank]

Anything besides Kevin Petulla for the.

[Max]

Yeah, anything. I would take Any. Any sort of change would be incredible.

[Big Cat]

Do you think you'll bring in an advisor?

[Max]

I would. I don't. I would take anything.

[Hank]

I love it when teams do that. When they're like, hey, we're going to bring in special advisor and. But you're going to report to him.

[Big Cat]

Because this is now who.

[Max]

It's the 24th offense in the league.

[Big Cat]

20, 23. Who was your coordinator?

[Max]

Brian Johnson.

[Big Cat]

That's right. So. So two times. So Nick Sirianni. He had a Super bowl worthy team when he had Shane Steichen. Right. Then he. Shane Steichen leaves and he hires from within.

[Max]

Correct.

[Big Cat]

Fall off a cliff. Correct. Then they get Kellen Moore outside. Then Kell Moore leaves. They hire from within. Disaster. So it's like literally the same thing that happened two years ago where he hires his own guy and that's shown not to work.

[Max]

Yes, precisely. Correct.

[Hank]

You know, be very funny if. I mean, Lane Kiffin doesn't have anything to do on weekends right now.

[Big Cat]

It's true.

[Hank]

Just bring him. Bring him in on Sunday.

[Big Cat]

Lane.

[Max]

Interim. Interim O.C.

[Hank]

Yeah, kind of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But not really because he's got a job.

[Big Cat]

I think you guys are on advisor watch there.

[Max]

I guarantee you nothing will change.

[Big Cat]

Unless.

[Max]

Oh, that was the other thing. I was sitting right in front of the Jeffrey Lurie suite. People just kept turning around and yelling at him even. Which is insane.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Because Jeffrey Lurie is like one of the best owners in all of sports. But they. Me, I. Most of them were just like, you need to do something about Kevin Petula.

[Big Cat]

I do love. Like, there were. There was a lot of chatter about, I can't believe Philly fans. They just won the Super Bowl. They're 8 and 3 before this game. They're booing their team. But that's Philly. That will always be Philly. That's kind of what I love about Philly is they just don't. They'll just. It's. What have you done for me literally the last five minutes?

[Hank]

Yeah. And to Philly's credit, you guys were pretty transparent about that after you won the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

Like you even said, maybe week three. We might.

[Big Cat]

A.J. brown said it.

[Hank]

Yeah, we might have to deal with that. Max, when it comes to the. The Jalen Hurts and the discourse with him and Kevin Petullo, how much of it do you think is Jalen Hurts being like, I'm uncomfortable making these specific types of throws. Can you please not put any of those in the playbook versus how much is on Kevin Petullo being like, we're going to run this offense regardless of what Jalen Hurts is telling me to do?

[Max]

I don't know how to answer that question. But Jalen Hurts has looked at much better with other offensive coordinators, so that's all I have to say about that.

[Hank]

I thought it was great that he threw a pick. I think that's good for. For Jalen Hurts.

[Max]

That was a bad pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but at least he threw. What a fucking.

[Hank]

At least he took a shot.

[Big Cat]

Another. Another shout out. Ryan polls Kevin Byard.

[Hank]

Max, how much time you got left on Hertz contract?

[Big Cat]

Oh, boy.

[Max]

A lot of people are. Are upset that Philly fans are blaming Kevin Petullo and not Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has looked very bad. Jalen Hurts has also won a Super bowl and has looked very good for the Eagles. That is why Jalen Hurts will have a much longer leash to me than Kevin Petulo because he has done nothing.

[Big Cat]

Yes, Hank, how much time does he.

[Hank]

Have left on his contract? Good question. I don't know.

[Max]

Three more years. Four more years?

[Hank]

That's a good question that Hank just asked me. What? But I thought. Wait, Big cat has a question.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, actually, no, my question is not about Jalen Hurts. It is a small sample size question.

[Hank]

Follow up question.

[Big Cat]

Max, if you want a small sample size question I was gonna ask it.

[Hank]

Is about mine is about Jalen Hurts. You get to choose four more years. Four more years max.

[Max]

I don't know how fucking contracts work. Maybe three.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

Potential out after 2020. I don't know.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

I was just going to drill down on his contract a little bit more, but it looks like you answered that. But you were also thinking about that over the weekend though, right?

[Max]

Did you just listen to what I just said? I gave you four different answers.

[Hank]

You said some Philly fans were. Would you put yourself in that category of some Philly fans?

[Max]

No, I said. I said that my section, the set you go to go to an Eagles game. And just being around Eagles fans is awesome. You just get all different groups of human that. That have 10 different opinions but all will agree that like the Eagles suck. Like, I just heard like five fights about whether Jalen Hurts is good.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Max]

What to do with the offense, what to do with the defense. But then at the end of the day, it's like, I disagree, I disagree, but the Eagles suck. And then it's like, yeah, the Eagles suck, big guy.

[Hank]

You had a question for Max.

[Big Cat]

Well, it was like, it's a small sample size. It's one game. You can't take a lot. Well, it's more than one game, but it's one game, so I'm not going to ask it.

[Hank]

I think you should.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

We can learn a lot from one game.

[Big Cat]

You obviously, Lane Johnson. You miss Lane Johnson. He's a Hall of fame.

[Max]

The record with him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's insane.

[Max]

But the offense had Struggles, like, even before Lane. Lane left, I mean, and obviously the defense, the defensive line just didn't show up.

[Big Cat]

Well, that was kind of. My question is, would you. Would you rather have Darnell Wright or Jalen Carter right now.

[Max]

At this very minute?

[Big Cat]

Shout out, Ryan. P.S. again, he. What a pick. Darnell Wright had Jalen Carter in.

[Max]

Hell, yeah, he did.

[Big Cat]

He had.

[Max]

I mean, Jalen Carter is had. It's. It's a small sample size.

[Big Cat]

It's small. That's what I said. Small sample size. So we're not even getting small sample size.

[Max]

Darnell Wright played much better than Jalen Carter in this game.

[Big Cat]

In the small sample, Darnell Wright's been very, very good. He's been a monster. He's. I mean, the offensive line, it's like Ryan pulls fixed the offensive line in one year. It's crazy.

[Max]

Good point. By means. Jalen Carter won a Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

That's true. Good point. By means.

[Hank]

Good point. Max, just respond to this statement in any way that you see fit.

[Big Cat]

I like this.

[Hank]

AJ Brown was right about everything.

[Max]

No. What does that mean?

[Big Cat]

That's a good question.

[Max]

That is wrong.

[Hank]

A.J.

[Big Cat]

Brown.

[Max]

That is actually exactly wrong because A.J. brown said, I need to get the ball more for us to win, and now he gets the ball more and we lose.

[Hank]

Oh, I think A.J. brown also had. Good point.

[Max]

What do you have to say about that face? That's what he said. He said, give me the ball. See what happens when we get the ball. He got the ball. Now they suck. So AJ Brown. Really good.

[Hank]

AJ Brown has said a lot of things over the course of the last couple years.

[Max]

What do you have to say?

[Hank]

Venting his frustrations with the. The lack of creativity on the offense as a whole, he. AJ Brown also said, it's not about me catching balls.

[Max]

He literally was on camera seeing, saying, this is what happens when you give me the ball. He wanted the fucking football.

[Big Cat]

Is. This is the season. Where are you at with the season?

[Max]

No, because the NFL sucks, so it should be this. The Eagles are bad, but somehow they're. They've won enough football games as a bad team to still be in a position.

[Big Cat]

And they beat some good teams.

[Max]

No, nobody's good. There are no good teams. The Bears and the Patriots are good.

[Big Cat]

The Rams.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

I know they lost.

[Max]

The Rams good. The Rams.

[Hank]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I guess we'll find out about the Broncos in a minute.

[Max]

Everyone thought the Ranch just lost to the fucking Panthers.

[Big Cat]

Hey, the Panthers. Watch out.

[Max]

Are the Panthers good?

[Big Cat]

Maybe that's what I'm saying everyone's maybe good.

[Hank]

This is like you just playing just all big games. Big Game Max. Black pride day for a reason. Max, do you think that Saquon, who.

[Big Cat]

You got next week, by the way? The Charger Ian Rap. He's. Big game Max. Monday Night Football. Big game X. Ian Rapport did just report that Justin Herbert has a broken bone in his left hand and will get surgery. So unclear if he'll miss time.

[Hank]

So Trey Lance could be.

[Max]

If we lose to Trey Lance, I.

[Hank]

Will season, you're out.

[Max]

I mean, I'll. I will watch, but I will not like watching.

[Hank]

Max, do you think that you like watching right now?

[Max]

Nope.

[Hank]

Do you think that Saquon Barkley is gonna. He's gonna cross so bad tomorrow night? You think?

[Big Cat]

What is it? What did I do?

[Max]

You. I.

[Hank]

Do you think he's on. He's gonna pass the. The Che threshold to go over 1,003 yards for only the fifth time in his career?

[Max]

Saquon. Yeah, no, that's another problem. Saquon has been bad. The offensive line is the biggest problem right now. The offensive line can do nothing.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Max]

I mean, everything's the biggest problem.

[Hank]

Yeah, number one. Yeah, break your problems because I thought it was Petulo.

[Max]

Petulo is number one biggest problem. But I. I want to say that. I don't fucking know. Can we. I don't know. I. Again, I don't understand football. Is. Can Kevin Patullo be a reason why we can't run the football this year? Are we not doing.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Not designing runs well enough for our offensive line to succeed? Like, why can't we run the football this year? It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me. It's the same fucking team.

[Big Cat]

This is also why it's the highest.

[Max]

Paid offense in the league and they suck.

[Hank]

Are you worried about your defense?

[Max]

The defense. I have to just say that that was sometimes. Sometimes you have bad games. The defense has been good enough that they have a little bit of leeway, but they were fucking horrific.

[Big Cat]

And the Bears can run the ball.

[Max]

They shouldn't be able to run that well against. Against our.

[Big Cat]

The. This is why we're like the emergency pod. As much as I want to do it, it really didn't feel like Max and I were playing against each other because I was just so happy about the Bears and he's so mad at the Eagles that it wasn't like cross teams. Like, we didn't talk shit. You just. You sent me a text being like, good Game. I was like, good game. How much did you boo? And then you never replied.

[Max]

Yeah, I didn't want to, like, get in. I didn't want to talk too much about these.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But I just wanted to know how much you booed. The whole time they were booing, I was like, max must be. Booed his face off.

[Max]

There were some booze.

[Big Cat]

Give us one. Poo.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

Come on.

[Max]

No.

[Big Cat]

No. Okay. Thumbs down. Did you double thumbs down?

[Max]

Probably. It was so cold too. It was so cold.

[Hank]

Have you. Have you gone back and watched the. Watch the game like the TV broadcast?

[Max]

No, no, no. Literally never. Why would I go back and watch that?

[Big Cat]

We could do enough people buy our new hats on the barstool sports store. 20 off. Maybe we could watch it together.

[Hank]

Do a stream. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

A re. Watch rewatchables.

[Hank]

Yeah, I like that.

[Max]

That's just not.

[Hank]

You'd learn a lot watching it.

[Big Cat]

It's just not that.

[Hank]

What?

[Max]

Not how this goes.

[Hank]

I mean, A.J. brown was really good. You probably didn't get to see like, you know, you get to watch more of them.

[Big Cat]

That's just not how this goes. Wait, so what. What. At what point in the game were you on the Jumbotron?

[Hank]

Was it like the first time you.

[Big Cat]

Were excited and then the second, honestly, they came, they were losing and you were just like. There was.

[Max]

It was twice. There was. It was one time when I just had a straight face of like nothingness.

[Big Cat]

Did you get a pop?

[Max]

No. And then the second. And then the second time, it was. It was right after they made it 10 to 10 to 9.

[Big Cat]

Not.

[Max]

Not 10 to 10. I thought it was going to be the tie of the game, but they did not tie the game.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Max]

So at that point I was. I was excited.

[Big Cat]

Should we talk at all about the two point conversion? I don't really care.

[Max]

I don't care. I'm sick of people being upset about that.

[Big Cat]

It's actually. I actually understand both sides. I know that's a cop out, but the whole. So for people who didn't see the game or don't remember the moment, it's the. The Eagles are down. What were they down nine. And they go for two down nine to try to cut it to seven. Is it. Do I have it right? Yeah, I have that right. Right. They're down nine. They're down nine and they go for two. So. So the. And it was like, whatever. However many minutes left in the fourth quarter, there's only a couple possessions left. The argument is when they go for two down nine and they don't get it. The whole team deflates because now it's a two score game versus kicking the extra point and waiting till the end of the game if you score again to then go for two and then try to tie the game. I see both sides of this argument. Like I think there is a human element that, that analytics kind of ignores sometimes where it's like is it deflating? Yes. Greg Olson actually is very much in the side of going for too early because the argument is if you go for too early you find out what you need for the rest of the game and you can have a chance to do an onside kick and figure out what you're going to actually need versus if you wait to go for two at the end of the game and you don't get it, game's over. But yeah, I think it's like all feel. I wouldn't. You think you don't go for two there? No.

[Max]

Why you have to go for two eventually.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'd see both.

[Hank]

I like, I like J.J. watts.

[Big Cat]

Did you see what J.J. like? There's, there's smart football guys that on both sides of this argument that I, I trust their opinion and they're. And they're like very much disagreeing. So that's where I'm like it's just a field thing. Would you go for two?

[Hank]

I think I would. The game ended well.

[Big Cat]

No. You at least know what you need.

[Hank]

You're. You're in team extend hope for as long as possible. Right.

[Big Cat]

But I.

[Max]

What does that, what does that do for you?

[Hank]

It gives you hope for longer.

[Big Cat]

But Greg Olsen did have some like stats to back up that it doesn't change at all. J.J. wat said the counterpoint would be the human element of a team's mindset sl mentality only being down one score instead of of two. Right or wrong. There are some unquantifiable aspects of belief.

[Hank]

And confidence knowing you're only down one score.

[Big Cat]

I agree with that. I also think this is similar to the Dan Campbell thing. I think this is something that probably coaches talk to their teams about and they know what's going to happen before. So the human element is maybe not as like Nick Sirani probably told like talks game situations with his team. He's like, hey, if we're in this situation we're going to go for too early. You know what I mean? So it's not a surprise.

[Hank]

Max, did you see Big Dom?

[Max]

I saw. I, I didn't like hang out with him.

[Hank]

I saw Sideline.

[Big Cat]

I saw him how's he looking at him?

[Max]

I didn't. I wasn't on the sideline.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Max]

I was in the stands.

[Hank]

Did you wave to him?

[Max]

I wasn't, like, close enough to. To, like. Did you get his attention?

[Hank]

Did you scared him?

[Big Cat]

Did you stare at him? What's the longest amount of time you stared at him?

[Max]

I was. I was looking. I don't. I don't. I don't.

[Big Cat]

10 seconds, 15 seconds?

[Hank]

Did you make eye contact?

[Max]

We did not make eye contact, no.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

You think he saw you on the Jumbotron?

[Max]

I don't. I think there was other things to worry about on that sideline.

[Big Cat]

Do you think Big Dom could just walk into Kevin Patula's offense, slap him across the face and be like. Act like a man and that would fix the offense?

[Hank]

Yeah, I do. Put your hands up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So, Max, big game, Max. Little game, Max. This weekend.

[Max]

It'S Monday Night Football.

[Hank]

All right.

[Big Cat]

But you.

[Hank]

You guys should. You should handle the Chargers, right?

[Max]

If it's Trey Lance, it has to be.

[Hank]

And then you get Gino at home.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

The Raiders, then you get the commanders, probably.

[Max]

No, I think it's Commanders, then Raiders.

[Big Cat]

No, it's Raiders and Commanders.

[Hank]

Raiders and Commanders.

[Big Cat]

In middle game, it's Chargers, Raiders, commanders. Bills. Commanders. Bills, Right.

[Max]

Fuck, I forgot.

[Big Cat]

We still have to play the Bills in Buffalo, so.

[Hank]

Max, you should be fine.

[Big Cat]

I feel like you have already played the Bills. I know.

[Max]

You played everyone.

[Hank]

Every. Every good team.

[Big Cat]

Every good team you played. And you're 8 and 4. You're fine.

[Max]

But they suck. Nobody is good.

[Hank]

Max, you're gonna end up. You're gonna end up with 12 wins this year.

[Big Cat]

Most likely.

[Max]

Maybe.

[Big Cat]

Most likely.

[Hank]

And you're so down.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, mostly.

[Max]

But you look. But everyone can see everyone.

[Big Cat]

No, you're right. You're right. When people get. When people comment. Philly fans, are you booing an 8 and 4 team? You could see that even in their wins, their offense does not look good.

[Max]

It's the same. People are like. People somehow be like, how do you boo this team? And then it's like, this team. Then they're also saying, this team sucks. Like, yeah, it's the same thing. We're all watching the same product. It's just people like to complain about Philly fans.

[Big Cat]

That's who we are on that.

[Max]

That's who we are.

[Big Cat]

I have your back on that.

[Hank]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

I had no problem with the booing. They.

[Max]

They look like shit.

[Big Cat]

I love the boo.

[Hank]

I think. I think more fan bases should act like Eagles fans.

[Big Cat]

Expect greatness.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. What?

[Max]

It's probably not great for the players themselves that they're being worried about.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Would you like to just address that? Like, specifically? We can make a quote card out of it.

[Max]

Like, hey, no, I. I know. Cheering players. No cheering.

[Hank]

No, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, hey, players. Just so. So the players know it's not directed at them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, just like, hey, don't. But it is.

[Hank]

But don't. Oh, it is. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

Okay. And be like, but I feel bad.

[Big Cat]

But maybe like, don't take it personally.

[Max]

It's like, don't take it personally.

[Hank]

That's.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Max]

That makes sense.

[Big Cat]

We boo everyone.

[Max]

We're booing. We're booing the. The whole of what is going on here. Not you as a. As a personal human being. I just. We just want to see things look a lot better than they look right now.

[Hank]

You want to see greatness?

[Max]

There should be greatness. I've heard a billion times over the past two years that this is the greatest roster of all time. And that's the only. And all of a sudden this roster sucks.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's get to Sunday. Let's talk some Sunday games. Pft. You want to do a couple ads and we'll talk Sunday?

[Hank]

Yeah, that was good.

[Big Cat]

Recap.

[Hank]

These games are brought to you by our great friends over at proper number 12 Irish whiskey. It's PFT here I'm making my Irish entrance with proper number 12 Irish whiskey. How do you make an Irish entrance, you might ask? It starts with a shot of proper number 12 Irish whiskey. Because real friends don't let friends Irish exit a party without a story to tell. Original proper number 12 is a rich, smooth blend of golden grain single malt aged four years in bourbon barrels. Mix it up with some ginger ale. Get a classic refreshing proper ginger. If you're in the mood for something smooth but a little sweeter, try proper Irish apple. A delicious blend of Proper's award winning Irish whiskey with crisp fresh notes of apple. So get out there, make your Irish entrance. Anything else just wouldn't be proper. Make your Irish entrance with proper number 12 Irish whiskey today. These games are also brought to you by Aura Frames. It's the hidden gem that becomes the favorite gift long after the wrapping paper is gone. I got Aura Frame for my mom last year. She absolutely loves it. I can upload pictures that are in her living room from across the country. It's a great gift. Parents will love it. Friends will love personalizes your gift. You can add a message before it arrives. You can share photos and videos effortlessly. You can share them straight from your phone all year long. The gift box is included. Every frame comes packaged in a premium gift box with no price tag. Don't wait. Win the holidays now with Aura Frames for a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting auraframes.com get 35 off or his best selling Carver mat frames named number one by Wirecutter by using promo code PMT at checkout. That's auraframes.com promo code PMT. The deal is exclusive to listeners and frames sell out fast. Order yours now to get it in time for the holiday. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Sunday Houston 20, Colts 16 the Houston Texans are dangerous. They're winners of four straight. CJ Stroud is back and holy there, I mean, the Colts. I know. I, I, I still don't really understand. Can someone explain to me that Daniel Jones has a broken fibula?

[Hank]

Okay, so what happened this week? I think it was Wednesday. The Colts came out and they said he's dealing with an ongoing leg injury and it happens to be a broken fibula in his leg, which is a non weight bearing bone. It's like the smaller of the two bones. Daniel Jones said that it's something that was kind of hanging over recently.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

He cannot pinpoint a moment in which he broke his leg, but he thinks perhaps it was something that happened against the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

But he doesn't know when he broke his leg.

[Big Cat]

And he's so he's just playing with a broken leg.

[Hank]

He's just playing with a broke. You know what they do with Colts that break their legs? It's not good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's not like a horse.

[Hank]

But yeah, he doesn't, I, I don't know if they're trying to cover their tracks on the injury report. I don't know what's going on. But hey, listen, that's Duke football. Just tough, just playing through anything.

[Big Cat]

I don't, it was the weirdest story because then I saw the clip. Did you see the clip of him in practice where he looked like he couldn't walk?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But then he was, he was fine. Ish.

[Hank]

Today it seemed like they had something inside of his sock that was giving him stability to get around. But he wasn't super mobile today.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

But yeah, he's got a broken leg.

[Big Cat]

I walked away from this game just being like, holy. The Texans are a problem because their defense and CJ Stroud I know he sailed one interception, but him being back, I know Davis Mills went 3.0C. Shroud is, is like he's. He gives them the best chance. Obviously. Nico Collins had a monster day. The Texans are playing great football and d' Ameco Ryan's is an awesome coach in the, in the division since 2023. Tamiko Ryan's is 13 and 4. He wins division games. That's what you're supposed to do as a head coach. He does that. Their defense, they have the pass rushers. Derek Stingley is an absolute like beast. He, he, he got thrown at one time today. One time. That's, that's how scared they are to throw to him.

[Hank]

Yeah. The Texans, The Texans are a legitimate threat once they get in the playoffs. If they make it in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And they got work to do.

[Big Cat]

They do. But that, it all started with that, that, that comeback against the Jaguars because they, you know, they're one and one against Jaguars. The game against the Chiefs next Sunday night will be a massive, massive game. But I, yeah, like the Texans are in that list of. There's some teams that are peaking right now or are playing really good football. The Cowboys in the nfc, the Texans or you know, teams that are outside looking in. The Texans are at the top of that list in my mind.

[Hank]

Yeah. Tony Dungy was not happy today. Tony Dungy. It takes a lot for Tony Dungy to, to get off his high horse and to tweet something negative about NFL officiating. But he did. He had some commentary on the game talking about a blown pass interference call. I think he was also kind of neglecting the pass interference in the first half where I think it was Alec Pierce running down the sideline.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And the ball went out of bounds probably by 15 to 16ft. They just don't call uncatchable balls anymore in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Just not. It's not something that referees think of. And they missed a really big one today that would. That did end up benefiting the, the Colts. But then Tony Dungy said we have, we've had bad pass interference calls all weekend, but the one in the Texans Colts game was very bad. Blatant disregard of the rule when legs get tangled. And on top of that, they missed a delay of game before the ball was snapped. Is Tony Dungeon casual?

[Big Cat]

He might be.

[Hank]

Does he not know about like every, every fan has had that moment. And listen, when you're on the wrong side of it, it sucks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When you see the clock hit zero.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then they don't throw the flag immediately. And then the announcers have to explain to you the mechanics behind how the referees look down at the ball, up at the clock, down at the ball.

[Big Cat]

There's.

[Hank]

And then they throw the flag.

[Big Cat]

There's like five delay games a game. But yeah.

[Hank]

Tony Dungy getting some sour grapes. That's Tony Dungeon. He usually doesn't step in. That tells me that. That Tony Dungy is scared.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That he's worried about the Colts.

[Big Cat]

He might be in the. So the Texans now divisional game left. I think. I think they just play the Titans, I believe is their last divisional game that they have. Oh, no, they already played the Titans. They played the colts again week 18. Yeah, but they're four and one in the division. So if they get, you know, if you get to a point where it's division record, they're going to have, especially if they beat The Colts, week 18 they're going to have the tiebreakers. They are. After week eight, the Texans were three and five and the Colts were seven and one. We're now sitting here after week 13 and the Texans are one game back from the Colts. It happened that fast. Jaguars are in first now. Technically, it's. It's crazy. They're. They're a scary, scary team. And a pinky, pinky stack. Because they are my pinky team. 2018 Texans are the only team since 2000 to start own three and make the playoffs. They also were a pinky team. So this is the second time I've used the Texans and history seems to repeat be repeating itself where the Texans could be an 03 team to make the playoffs, which has only happened with the Texans in 2018.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they're 3 0, by the way in games. Chiefs. What?

[Hank]

You didn't want the Chiefs?

[Big Cat]

No, I didn't want the Chiefs. You said that wasn't fair. Well, no, I thought the Chiefs could still win the Super Bowl. I did not think the Texas would win the Super.

[Hank]

If you had to choose right now.

[Big Cat]

I'd probably take the cheese. Yeah, it's crazy. Texas are better than. I mean we'll find out on Sunday when they play each other.

[Hank]

They might have figured out how to city. They might have figured out how to score in the red zone too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Nick Chubb had a touchdown and by the way, they're. They're three and oh, in games called by J.J. watt, little fun.

[Hank]

Interesting.

[Big Cat]

So he just needs to get on more broadcast for him and they'll just keep going our. I, I think that the Colts are in trouble. It feels like Their offense has been figured out a little bit. Jonathan Taylor, 3 out of last 4 games under 100 yards after having that.

[Hank]

Like, monster stretch, did that one bad fumble. But I don't know if that fumble was credited to Tyler Warren or not. But the one where they tried to run him as the Tosh push guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was. I don't understand, like, I, I get, you know, element of surprise and stuff, but the tush push feels like the mechanics of that play, you don't want to rush it. And that's what they did. They tried to sneak tush push him, and that was, that was pretty bad. But yeah, I, I think the Colts might be in a little bit of deep water here because they have some tough, tough games. And their starting quarterback has a broken fibula, which I again, will not. Don't understand how he's walking, playing football, any of that.

[Hank]

It's the. I think it's the same bone that Byron left, which broke when he was at Marshall when he got carried. We're carrying him down the field. That might have been both, both a fibula and a tibia, I'm not sure. But yeah, the fibula, you can, you can walk on it. I've had a broken fibula twice before. I would never be able to run on it.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

I couldn't move. I, I could limp on it. But when you break your tibia, that's when you can't put. Put any weight at all. I don't know how Daniel Jones is playing football right now. It must, it must not be that bad of a fracture. But I have to imagine that playing football makes it worse.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it's not that I think the Colts are some bad team. I just think they have a really, really tough schedule. And the NF in the AFC south has suddenly become a really competitive division. Like the Jaguars are in first.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The Texans are playing the best football.

[Hank]

They play at the Jaguars next week and they haven't won there since like 2014.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Then they have at the Seahawks. Hard game. They've got the Niners at home, possibly a winnable game. I think that's Monday Night Football.

[Big Cat]

Niners are playing really good football right now.

[Hank]

They are. And then against the Jaguars and then at the Texans again.

[Big Cat]

I think the Chiefs somehow run the table. They would have to conceivably go 4 and 1 in that stretch.

[Hank]

I think they're going to make the playoffs. But it's. But you can't have your quarterback with a broken leg.

[Big Cat]

Even if the, Even if you want to throw The Chiefs out.

[Max]

The.

[Big Cat]

The Jaguars are playing great football and the Texans are playing great football. There's going to be both. Both playoff races in the afc, NFC are awesome because there are teams in the eight, nine spots that you're like, yeah, I could absolutely see them making the playoffs. And they're tight. It's going to be you. All these teams that are sitting in this window like the. They have to go probably four and.

[Hank]

One shout out to Ms. Ursay today. Yeah, I like the polo shirt. It was like the Gucci Adidas crossover. She was looking good.

[Big Cat]

I feel bad for Seth. Feels like everything's gone south since he went savage. Yeah, they've lost out of four since he went savage.

[Hank]

I think it's since he apologized for going savage.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Actually, Seth, you should go take the apology back.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And go even more savage.

[Hank]

Go savage. When you apologize, when you. When you let them cancel.

[Big Cat]

Wrestle you for going south, you can't.

[Hank]

Give them the power for being. For shaming you for being savage.

[Big Cat]

No. Okay. Texans are scary, scary, scary team. That defense is just. I mean, the Colts were the best offense in football for two, two months and they just, they shut him down like that was that. Daniel Jones did have that awesome pass.

[Hank]

He.

[Big Cat]

That was a sick touchdown pass.

[Hank]

Alec Pierce is incredible, by the way. Alec Pierce, he's going to make a lot of money this offseason. I would like to see him on the Commanders next year. He is a great wide receiver, awesome deep threat, and he can ju like he's. He's probably got one of the highest verticals of any wide receiver. Yeah, it's like him and Pickens.

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game. This was also not.

[Hank]

Well.

[Big Cat]

The Texans wasn't a shocker because it was, you know, a divisional game and the text are playing great football, but this one was the Panthers 31, the Rams 28. If you had asked anyone going into this Sunday who the best team in football is, I think most people would have said the Rams. I would have said the Rams.

[Hank]

I would have said it's, you know, why they're going to win this game. Big cat Matt. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why the Rams are going to win this game. Matt Stafford has gone 27 touchdown passes in a row without an interception. Bryce Young still hasn't thrown in the 2000s this entire season. That's all. That's basically my keys to the game right there.

[Big Cat]

And then flipped.

[Hank]

And then it flipped. And then Matt Stafford threw one touchdown to make it 28 in a row record. And Then started turning the ball over left and right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then Bryce Young was efficient.

[Big Cat]

Bryce Young. So it was. Dave Canales is a really good coach. I think we can all agree here, like what he's done with the Panthers. But they had such good game plan where it was like pound the rock. Pound the rock. Pound the rock. Chubba Hubbard was. Was good for the first time in a long time. They had the. The combo, the two of them. And then have Bryce Young make the big high leverage throws which he made two of them. He made two touchdown passes on fourth and fourth and three. And they were perfect passes. Bryce Young first, I think is the second time in his career he's gone three touchdowns, zero interceptions. And like you said. Yeah. First time this season he's thrown in the 200.

[Hank]

Also that's. That's 11 come from behind victories for Bryce Young.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy.

[Hank]

11.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy. Yeah. And there were 10 point underdogs and Sean McVeigh had been 20 and 0 straight up as a road favorite of four points or more before today. So think about that. That was a. And meow mix since they retired. Are six and three. The Panthers are six and three.

[Hank]

Yeah. Looking good.

[Max]

That was an awesome stat. Corrections.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Max]

He went for three touchdowns and zero interceptions against the Falcons. He also threw for 450.

[Big Cat]

No, no.

[Max]

Through for 330 against the car.

[Hank]

That's the wrong stat.

[Big Cat]

So that's the second time he's ever done three touchdowns, zero interceptions. And it's the first time he's thrown for 200 this year.

[Hank]

In the 200s you're throwing. Max is looking at more than 200.

[Big Cat]

He's thrown 100. We've been talking about this stat every now and then. It's a very stupid stat. It's really stat for dummies. But he's thrown in the hundreds. The three hundreds, the four hundreds, but not the two hundreds. Until today.

[Max]

That's on me. That's on me.

[Hank]

That's where you win football games. Hank will tell you if you throw under 300 yards a game like that's you can win a lot of football games. Every game of his career except for one. That's not true. Yeah. He had one where he was. He's in 300 Club. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And a lot under 200.

[Hank]

Elite company. Elite company being the 300 Club tonight. That's the night, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I agree.

[Hank]

I'm gonna bet it again.

[Big Cat]

The yeah. Are the Panthers. I don't know if the Panthers are good. They just flip flop everything. They flip Flop.

[Hank]

They're the definition of frisky. Their defense is good. I do believe in the Panthers.

[Max]

Oh, dude.

[Big Cat]

Derrick Brown is a monster in the middle. Having a big dude in, in the middle is such a joy to watch if you're, you know, like if you got a big dude in the middle. He had, he had the, the sack on Stafford to end the game with the fumble. And I think it was his helmet that he jumped up and. And it, the ball hit his helmet and then was intercepted. The first interception Stafford had thrown in like two months. So he's a monster.

[Hank]

They did it without J.C. horn too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Also, Puka's catch was insane.

[Hank]

One of the, one of the best catches of the year.

[Big Cat]

And Devonte Adams has 11 touchdowns in six games, which is crazy. But then stat hole put me on to 1987 Jerry Rice. 1987 Jerry Rice, in his last six games of the season had 14 touchdowns. And then I looked at his whole game log for that season. It was 12 games. So they played 12 games then. And he, he had 22 touchdowns in 12 games. He had more games in that season with multi touchdowns than single tight. He scored a touchdown in every game. He had more games. Seven games. He had multi touchdowns, five games. He had just a single touchdown.

[Hank]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

It's insane. 22 touchdowns in 12 games.

[Hank]

Now I think that the Rams are probably. There's still the team I think I trust the most.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Even after it's a bad game. But I think it's a bad game that you can look at and, and probably think confidently. Matt Stafford's probably not going to have a game like this again in the, in the near future.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's, it's pretty much if Matt Stafford doesn't turn the ball over, they win the game easily. I mean, he had a red zone pick. He had the fumble at the end of the game. He had a pick six. Those were. Yeah, his, his three turnovers, which he hadn't done in two months, were like the biggest swing plays in the game.

[Hank]

Yeah. So I think if you're a Rams fan, you're like this, this might be one of those games. You just burned the tape off.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because I don't think that there's anything wrong with the rant. I don't think that they're broken. I think that Matt Stafford had a bad game and you will have bad games.

[Big Cat]

And they might be indoor guys.

[Hank]

They might be indoor cats. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Also Carolina, they're four and two at home.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's not easy to win in Carolina anymore.

[Big Cat]

Especially not with Meow Mix.

[Hank]

Not with. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That was.

[Big Cat]

How do you think the guys are just sitting there like we should have.

[Hank]

They would love to talk about.

[Big Cat]

This season is so fun.

[Hank]

They would love to talk about this game.

[Big Cat]

This is. This is such a fun season for this. The Panthers.

[Hank]

You know what? I think they should. They should bring the podcast back for the playoffs if they.

[Big Cat]

It. I mean, they gotta. So they're I think not a wild card team, but very much a. They could win the NFC South.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

If they can.

[Hank]

If they make the playoffs, they could.

[Big Cat]

Win a couple in a row because they've since. Since like a month and a half ago, they've gone loss, win, loss, win. And you gotta probably stack some wins together.

[Hank]

I think that the. The Panthers. Yeah. I think the Panthers players would be so excited about the prospect of Meow Mix coming back for the playoffs. If you announce it, it might spur them on to actually get to the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

To win some of these games down the stretch.

[Big Cat]

Oh, actually, I'm looking at their schedule right now because I think they have a buy if they continue going loss win. That would be two wins against the Bucks. Yeah. What if they just do that? What if they go loss, win? Zach, you don't like that. Confirmed. You don't like that? Yes, sir. All right, let's talk about your bucks. Tampa 20, Cardinals 17. Bucks are back. I think back. I think back over the optimistic. Bucky's back. He's looking good. Baker's like, I'm not hurt. I'm on the field. Let's play. Yeah. Baker's playing with a bad shoulder, but he looked fine. You're sick under the weather. Confirmed. What happened on over Thanksgiving that got you sick? I think it just a lot of the blobs back, a lot of snow. You weren't here. That's a great point. I retract my previous statement. I'm not going to blame the weather. You just tried to blame the blob. I just going from hot to cold probably.

[Hank]

Yeah, good point.

[Big Cat]

But it sounds like you were sick before you got back. I think it might have just been like a. Just being. Being around like an influx of people, a lot of bodies, you know? Yeah. Did you game a lot? I couldn't bring. I tried to fit the Xbox and the carry on didn't fit. So no game over the weekend. Just a lot of family time.

[Hank]

Did you think about gaming a lot of plates?

[Big Cat]

I did. There's so many clips online because like this is a great weekend. They Ripped double XP the entire holiday. So I did think about it. Qu.

[Hank]

A bit. Take some mental reps.

[Big Cat]

I can't wait to get back to the game. Is the pool still open? Is the pool the. Oh, pool is wake. Which pool at home? Oh, pool at home is. Is wide open. Yes. Were you in it? Was not in it. Oh.

[Hank]

What was the food situation like back at home?

[Big Cat]

Oh, it was good. It was good. We. My mom plays the hits, you know, turkey, shrimping casserole. We do. We do the rolls. We get into a little bit of stuffing, a little bit of giblet gravy. It's pretty good.

[Hank]

Did you make any trips, like, you know, out to a restaurant, get some desserts, some late night snacks?

[Big Cat]

I definitely hit. There's a. There's a gas station very close to my home. I hit that late night usually for, like, some candy bars, you know?

[Hank]

Yeah. Pretty basic stuff. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And then just like, you go the bars to your friends you haven't seen in a while. And the Bucks are good. Bucks back back. Because they. You buy stock in the Bucks right now because their schedule is a joke down the stretch. And if you don't buy stock now, we're going private. Don't try to buy stock later. Love that.

[Hank]

This is the ipo.

[Big Cat]

It did look. Chris Godwin looked good because he. He didn't look great. I mean, that game against the Rams was so, so bad. But Chris Godwin looked good, Bucky looked good. Bucky feels like it adds that element to their offense they were looking for. And Tristan Worf scored a touchdown, which was cool.

[Hank]

That was very cool. Zach, when you were watching Baker in the first half when he was sliding, what were your thoughts?

[Big Cat]

Did you get worried? Yeah, you know, it's like. It's like a special piece you don't want to see, not be on the field.

[Hank]

Yeah, he was popping up after his slides, like, laughing at himself, like, I can't believe I'm a. I'm a. And just knowing that later on in the game when it meant something, he was not going to slide, but he did it like somebody got through to him. I think they even showed Todd Bowles on the sidelines, like, laughing at the fact that Baker actually slid because, you know, you know that he was telling his coaches, yeah, I'll slide, I'll slide. They didn't actually believe that he was going to do it until he actually did. And then I think he just brought so much shame to himself. He's like, I gotta run somebody over. Next time a cornerback tries to tackle me. I'm not going to slide.

[Big Cat]

Those were courtesy slides. He did that for the organization, but then he had to get back to being himself.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'm buying stock in the Bucks.

[Hank]

Yeah, the Bucks. I think they'll be fine. The Cardinals, also a big bummer team.

[Big Cat]

This is the most Cardinals loss. This is their whole season in one game.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which they've done every single game. The seventh time. This is the seventh loss they've had by four points or less. That's three more than any other team in the NFL.

[Hank]

I wish that Bam Knight was better because of his name.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's got a great name that I feel like his name is wasted on. On Bam Knight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What are the Cardinals going to do? So they're officially eliminated. I said that stat. About seven losses by four points or less. That they're the fourth team in the last 30 years to do this. And there still is five games left of the season. That they can easily lose those by four points or less. What are they going to do because they're done with Kyler? Are they going to fire Jonathan Gannon? Like, they're.

[Hank]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

They feel like if we did, like, hopeless rankings, they. They're. They're in that category.

[Hank]

They're in the middle of nowhere. Where are they right now in Tankathon?

[Big Cat]

I don't know, but that's. They are seventh pick, so they probably got to lose some more to get up there. Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't know. Building around Jacoby Brissette. So just say go full it. I wish one team would go full it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they. I mean, they. They outgame the Bucks in this game. They had. They just had two turnovers. Missed field goal, two turnovers on downs. Like, that's just what the Cardinals do. They. If you look at the stats in every Cardinals game, you're like, oh, that was a competitive game and they should have maybe won. Like. No, they just. They just find ways to lose.

[Hank]

Okay. Right now. Yes. They are seventh in the draft. And on Tankathon, they have them taking. Oh, an offensive tackle. Okay.

[Big Cat]

So keep Jacoby.

[Hank]

Yeah. Let's build around.

[Big Cat]

Bridge. Bridge.

[Hank]

Quarterback now. Or I gotta. I gotta believe that Kyler is done in Arizona.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's. I assume there's like a line out the door of. Of quarterbacks that are like, they'll be the next McVeigh, right? Like, they'll go to McVeigh.

[Hank]

Yeah. I think Kyler, he's my guy for that.

[Big Cat]

Anthony Richardson's on that list, too.

[Hank]

I Don't. I don't know if we can make it work with army, but, you know.

[Big Cat]

People are saying that, like, hey, if you just get them to Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh.

[Max]

The Rams also have a top 10 pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Rams do. They have the Falcon.

[Max]

So they could just draft the next one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they could draft the next.

[Hank]

That's true. What guy do you think is. Is the next McVeigh guy?

[Big Cat]

And Stafford, by the way, is not a McVeigh guy because he was good before, but you know that the. Or Shanahan.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or Koch.

[Hank]

I could see Kyler going to Minnesota.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I could look tiny in the purple.

[Hank]

I mean, they have. As a backup. Because they get nine.

[Big Cat]

They do have nine.

[Hank]

Who looks pretty good today. This is the best. This is the best performance that you've seen from J.J. mcCarthy. The best full game. I'm talking four quarters.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

Of extended success. I'd agree for J.J. mcCarthy. He's so back.

[Big Cat]

Today was a big win for nine people.

[Hank]

People. Soft benching works once. Big time once you get to your brosmers.

[Big Cat]

And also a little vindication for Carson Wentz makes a little more sense why.

[Hank]

He was out there, I think. I think Brosmart times learned very well under the tutelage of Carson Wentz.

[Big Cat]

Okay, next game, Miami.

[Max]

Pretty good.

[Hank]

What?

[Max]

Wentz was pretty good for the Vikings.

[Hank]

Stop it, Max. You guys.

[Max]

He was. He's probably their best quarterback this year.

[Hank]

Would you take wins back?

[Max]

No, I'm saying who is. Who is the best quarterback for the. For the.

[Big Cat]

Would you actually.

[Hank]

No.

[Max]

J.J. mcCarthy.

[Big Cat]

Carson Wentz right now on that with those Eagles weapons.

[Hank]

Think about it, dude. He almost won the MVP for them.

[Big Cat]

Pretty nice. A healthy Carson Wentz.

[Hank]

You guys are a joke. Think about it. No, you're talking about a guy that's not afraid to throw picks. You got it right.

[Big Cat]

You got to think the offense would open up a little.

[Hank]

He's fun, Max. You know he's fun. You're thinking about Carson Wentz right now. I can tell. I see that look on your face.

[Max]

I'm allowed to make jokes about Carson Wentz without. About it coming back to bite me.

[Big Cat]

I mean, it's. It's kind of like a grade school joke. Like, oh, you're. You got cooties. Yeah. I don't like you.

[Hank]

No, Max likes.

[Big Cat]

Really? We date. I hope you take me to the dance.

[Hank]

Max is pulling his hair. You're putting gum on it.

[Max]

That would only work for pft. PFT is the one who is just the Carson Wentz hater.

[Hank]

Yeah. Correct. I don't like Carson.

[Max]

So then the cooties thing would be for pfd. Pft. You need Carson Wentz. Quarterback can't even play.

[Hank]

No, you're the one doesn't even have an arm. You're the one that's playing playful.

[Max]

His arm is bent the other way. Right.

[Hank]

Playfully hates Carson.

[Big Cat]

Have an arm.

[Hank]

You playfully hate him. You tease Carson. You tease him.

[Max]

I tease. I support him.

[Hank]

I want him.

[Max]

I want.

[Hank]

I want him banned from the league. Lifetime ban for Carson Wentz.

[Big Cat]

Wrong. That's pretty strong. Yeah, strong, firm, but fair. Okay. Dolphins 21, Saint 17. The dolphins almost blew this game. Devon A. Chain. Still is, it turns out. Devon A Chain. Hey, you should probably just feature the entire offense around him. In their three wins in a row, the Dolphins. Devon A. Chain has had 524 yards from scrimmage and three touchdowns. Seems like that works.

[Hank]

I think the mission of this Dolphin season is pretty clear. They're going to win just enough games unconvincingly to make Steven Ross have to make a tough decision. And whatever decision he makes will be the wrong one.

[Big Cat]

Well, he's already made the decision. He said McDaniel and Tour are back.

[Hank]

But you can say that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then like, owners do that all.

[Big Cat]

The time, but they're also winning.

[Hank]

But are you telling me that if the Dolphins lose the rest of their games that McDaniel's coming back?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Hank]

I. I don't think that he is. If they lose the rest of the game, I'm saying that the Dolphins are doing just enough.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. To probably screw themselves.

[Hank]

To screw themselves up and have whatever. Whatever choice it is that Steven Ross makes, it ends up being the wrong one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Cause I mean, they play the jets next week. They could be. The jets are frisky. Jets are really frisky. Very. Yeah. The Saints. The Saints basically just didn't. This game was basically a. These two teams are going nowhere. Tyler Shuck look like shit in the first half looked better in the second half. And the Saints found a way to cover and also had the ball. And almost. They. They successfully. That's the biggest story from this game, is this. They did a successful onside kick.

[Hank]

Here's a sweet onside kick. I thought it looked like it only went nine yards, but they said it went 10. I don't know how they judge that. But they got the ball back. And if they'd made that two point conversion at the end of the game, that they definitely could have won it. Yeah, they are at least tied it at the very end.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they. They. Yeah. I. Tyler Shuck is fine. He. The second half he looked good. First half he looked bad.

[Hank]

I know. I have noticed that guys tend to jump a little bit early on Tyler Shuck's passes. I don't know if that's because time to. They don't have a time. Maybe Spencer's got more of a cannon.

[Big Cat]

The Rattler 2 was trying to throw a couple picks but they. They figured it out that like hey, like I said Devon A Chain is the guy and just let him do it and you don't have to have to a throat a million times and good things can happen also to a pretty good slides. He had a couple today.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's learning.

[Big Cat]

He's learning how to slide. Okay. Jags 25, Titans 3 first place Jags. They're good Hank. They're good. First place Jacks, they had a bunch of injuries today too. They had. Trayvon Walker was out, Eric Arms was out. I think Parker Washington got banged up in the game. Shout out to Jags GM the whiz kid because it's Jacoby Myers trade was very smart because he's been a beast for them and he was like they're. He's. He is the Trevor Lawrence's you know, go to guy now. And I know they have Brian Thomas but. But Jacoby Myers is like Mr. Reliable for him. And the Jags they did what they should do. They kicked the shit out of the Titans. It was. It was a very Titans thing where they like outside of a couple plays could have been in this game but they had the penalty. Roughing the passer at the end of the first half leads to a field goal. When they were. The Jags were ready to go into halftime. And then to start the second half when it was 18 to 3, they had a roughing the punter and then the Jaguars scored a touchdown.

[Hank]

Yeah, that was crazy at the end of the half because the Jaguars were just trying to get get to halftime.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

They decided we're not going to try a. What would that be like a 63 yard field goal? Yeah. Even though their kicker might have the leg, maybe not outdoors but he might have the leg for it. They just opted to not kick a field goal and instead just try to to run the clock out on a play where they scrambled Trevor Lawrence out to the side late hit on him, then a fight on the sideline, move the ball up well into field goal range and it was just like that's, that's what bad teams do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's what the Titans are.

[Hank]

And then, and then I saw Mike McCoy on the sideline. Their coach, I think he's their coach. He just, he just wasn't saying or doing any. He was just standing there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I don't think that the Titans have a head coach right now. I think they have a guy whose job, he sits in that chair in the office. I don't think they've actually updated the sign on the door, but I think he's a warm body that sits there. I don't think he's actually coaching the team at all. Yeah, because after the game, the. I think it was. Jeffrey Simmons was like, we need a coach very badly right now. We have. We have to. Can we please get somebody in here that will change the culture? We need just basically he's asking for the biggest hard ass they can find to come in and just beat them into shape. And that. He's right. That's what they need. Because the Titans, they don't look like. They don't look, look like a football team right now.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Outside of Chamir DK and shout out.

[Big Cat]

The Jaguars because the Jaguars are kind of similar to the Bears in that like if you get the higher right you can turn it around pretty quickly because last year they were a 4 and 13 team. They sucked. Liam Cohen comes in and he's got him 8 and 4, first place in the division. This is just the fourth time in the last 15 years that the Jaguars have won eight or more games.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Like they're a good football team. And Liam Cohen deserves a shitload of credit. The Duvall thing, not as creepy now when you. When we find out he can coach.

[Hank]

And the Jaguars have won four games in November for the very first time since 2005.

[Big Cat]

That's crazy.

[Hank]

So good for them.

[Big Cat]

They're playing good football.

[Hank]

They're playing good football.

[Big Cat]

And. And the one loss, their one loss in November was that that crazy game that they should have won against the Texans and just let them, you know, they that up bad.

[Hank]

We do have a Shamira DK update.

[Big Cat]

He had a couple fumbles today in.

[Hank]

His quote but he had some nice returns.

[Big Cat]

But he had some fumbles.

[Hank]

He is now on pace for 2,721all purpose yards this season. That actually now puts him on pace to surpass Darren Sproul's all time record for 2696 all purpose yards in 2011.

[Big Cat]

Oh wow.

[Hank]

So there's that. It's a, it's an insult stat.

[Big Cat]

It's a great. Yeah, it's a. It's. It's a big time insult stat because they just get scored on so much that he gets all these returns.

[Hank]

He gets a lot of kick returns, but at least you have something to. That's you. You root for Cam Ward to not get injured. You look for him to look like the guy, and then you root for Chamir. DK kickoff returns.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. By the way, to your point about Mike McCoy, like, looking for a coach.

[Hank]

Did you see.

[Big Cat]

So on the, on the first drive, they kicked a field goal. They had a nice drive and it was, I think, fourth and three and they kicked the field goal. It's like you're the Titans. You. What are you doing? Just go for it. Mike McCoy said after. He said, if it was fourth and two, we're going for it. If it's fourth and three, we're kicking it. That's what we said before the play was even stopped.

[Hank]

Okay. Analytics.

[Big Cat]

Cool, dude.

[Hank]

Nice analytics. I mean, what doesn't matter about game situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just. It doesn't matter about the fact that you guys have one win and you're terrible and you have a rookie quarterback and you know you're gonna have to score touchdowns to win a game, and you might as well just go for it.

[Hank]

Every time.

[Big Cat]

Every time. Just fucking go for it.

[Hank]

Tell your punter, don't make the trip.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Worst case scenario, you turn the ball over deep in your territory and then it's Chimera DK time.

[Big Cat]

Okay, let's do a couple more ads and we'll get to the last two games.

[Hank]

We'll get back to the games in a second. They're brought to you by our great friends over at Campbell's. What are you boys craving this NFL season? You know what I'm craving? Soup. It's soup season. We had soup weather this weekend. No soup satisfies all your cravings. Like Chunky. Chunky's bold, meaty, and has all the craveable flavors that you need to tackle your hunger. So go pick up a can of Chunky today. Crush your cravings. They got flavors like beefy Mac, chili dog Mac, Buffalo style, chicken Mac, and so many more. So don't forget, Chunky can satisfy all your cravings this NFL season. Since Chunky's has the food covered, what else are you boys craving this NFL season? I'm craving a good college football playoff.

[Big Cat]

Off.

[Hank]

I'm craving a bracket. I'm craving. You know I'm craving right now is some more turkey. I haven't had enough turkey yet. Yeah, I need some more turkey. I'm gonna make some Thanksgiving soup. It's gonna be chunky. Chunky is everything that you crave. No matter what you crave or when you crave it. Chunky delivers a hundred and ten percent. And these games are also brought to you by our great friends over at Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi. Pepsi brings the flavor. Pepsi makes those flavors pop. The sweetness and carbonation of Pepsi really elevates the taste of Mexican food. We had Mexican for dinner tonight. Had some tacos, some queso, some chips, all washed down with Pepsi. It enhances the flavor of your food. Everything's better when paired with the Pepsi. I'm talking pizza better with the Pepsi. Wings, better with the Pepsi. Burgers way better with the Pepsi. I'm choosing Pepsi every time. Food deserves Pepsi. You guys know that. Drink up on Pepsi.

[Big Cat]

Okay, back to the games. Jets 27, Falcons 24. Memes. The jets have won a game. Another game. They have three wins now. Culture moving in the right direction. I. So I. We were talking after the game, like, I actually do believe, you know, you're looking at Tankathon, but if you're Aaron Glenn, you want to win some of these games down the stretch to get things turned around. Kind of like what Dan Campbell did in Detroit. Yeah. They have the perfect schedule to get moving in the right direction and winning some games. Yeah.

[Hank]

And you guys got a turnover today.

[Big Cat]

On special teams. Yeah. Fumbled. The Falcons fumbling on the one.

[Hank]

It's a turnover. That was the New York jets first turnover in the United States this year.

[Big Cat]

That's huge.

[Hank]

That's huge. This is momentum memes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Still no interception, but progress. And Nick Folk, who's like, how old is he? In Aaron Glenn's postgame speech, he said they were teammates. They. They were. The game ball goes to my teammate, Nick Folk. That's awesome. Yeah. He's 41 years old. That's. I mean, he's just keeps doing it. And that was not like an easy kick in. You guys were trading missed kicks for a little bit there. And that was not an easy kick in. In bad weather. No, they. They almost blew it too. They had a false start at the end of the game. Almost took him out of field goal range. But like the old jets, that goes wide left.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Even though probably be better for Tech thumb, but whatever. But it went through. They're the new jets trying to build the culture. I. Yeah, I think it's like you. I mean, I've been. Been in the same spot a Ton of times too. Like, where you get. You're like, at the end of the season, you're like, all right, like draft pick. But also like, you gotta win games at some point, especially with new coach. If it were a coach you're about to fire. That's different. Different. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, if it was a coach, you're like, all right, we're gonna fire him at the end of the season no matter what. Doesn't matter. That's. That's games you want to lose, but like with a new coach, you want. And you got guys that are going to be that like A.D. mitchell. I. This one shocked me. Didn't realize he'd never score a touchdown in his, in his NFL career. I just assumed he had because I feel like we've talked about him a lot. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah, he scored a bunch on the Colts. Same. I was like, what? He. This is his first touchdown. That was his first career touchdown in the NFL. Was today. He was awesome today. And that's. I mean, that, that's a piece of like your future. So. Yeah, he had, he had eight catches, 102 yards in his first career touchdown.

[Hank]

Yeah. Good for him.

[Big Cat]

And Tyrod, that was a dot. I mean, it was 59 yards in the air to 80. Mitchell to Rod.

[Hank]

Look, he looked pretty good today. Yeah, like he was using the legs, moving around, manipulating the pocket, hitting guys downfield.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's a good win for the Jets.

[Big Cat]

The jets played watchable football today.

[Hank]

And yes.

[Big Cat]

You can't really say that.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

That's facts.

[Hank]

That's exactly what it was. I was watching the game and I was like, damn, this is, this is watchable as actually, they've upgraded from a.

[Big Cat]

Really bad team to watchable football. Yeah. They're not in the Titans Raiders category. No, not even close. Yeah, because that's, that's a category of like, why even. Why even turn it on? Because it's so bad. And this has got to be frustrating for the Falcons. Not. I mean, their, their season's over as well, but. But they don't have their first pick, first round pick, so they have no reason to tank. That goes to the Rams. Bijan was awesome, but they just do the little things wrong. Like they had the ball with what, a couple minutes left? Memes. And they could have gone and won the game and they couldn't get a first down. Twice. Twice. Yeah. So I, I was thinking about this. I know. I think we've, We've. We've thought about doing this before. But remind me, Zach, we got to do this week 18, when we get to week 18. And there's a bunch of games in week 18 where there's just nothing at stake. And we do the recap that Sunday night. We need to go back and do hand out each team super bowl, because I was thinking about it. The Falcons have just been atrocious. The last eight. Eight games. They were three and two and they had beaten. When they beat the Buffalo Bills on Monday Night Football, and everyone's like, holy, they've arrived. That was it. That was the peak. So it's maybe not the Super Bowl. It's. What was the best moment. What was the moment that each fan base was feeling absolute best about their season. Give us that exact moment.

[Hank]

Yeah, Yeah. I. I'd say that that Buffalo Bills game, without a doubt. And that was like peak Bichon experience, too. They tried to do it again. Their game plan today was not. It wasn't bad. It was probably like the most effective Falcons game plan that they can have, which is just basically like a shitload of screen passes and hand the ball off to Bijan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I want to see Raheem Morris's cell phone, see what his screen time was like today. It was probably like 50 of the game. It was. It was smart. Put the ball in your best player's hands and see what they can do. But the defense stinks for the Falcons, too. And that's kind of Raheem Morris's thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I feel like he's gone.

[Big Cat]

Fired.

[Hank]

I think he's gone. They've got a tough end of their season coming up, too.

[Big Cat]

And. And they have. They have the list of guys that they brought in for an interview that they should have hired and did it.

[Hank]

Yeah, that.

[Big Cat]

That is going to haunt them.

[Hank]

Yes. For sure. But. But congrats to the Jets. I feel like this is a win that you guys will end up at the top of the draft no matter what. I don't think that you're going to, like, go on a winning streak to end the season. You're not going to run the table.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, but the games are winnable. They'll. They'll win like one, maybe two.

[Hank]

Yeah. And you guys are loaded up. You got all the draft picks, memes.

[Big Cat]

All the draft picks. Unfortunately for the Colts, they're going the wrong direction. No, that. Yeah. But. Yeah. Do you actually are. The Cowboys are. Is becoming. It's. It might flip like the Cowboys draft pick. Yeah. The second round pick. Right. But which is better for the Cowboys first round pick the following year because they'll. They have a harder schedule.

[Hank]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

This is 3D chess. I love that. That's smart.

[Hank]

I like that memes.

[Big Cat]

Really smart. Really. And you have just. The next year, you just have this year's Colts first round pick, right? No. And next year. Oh, and next year. And Cowboys next year. So you wouldn't hate if the Colts found a way to have a difficult schedule as well, but they. You'd want. You want a high pick. One of them. Correct. Yeah. Okay. This is three. I like this memes. It sounds like the rebuild. Who. Who did the. Who do you guys have left? We play the Dolphins next week. Okay. At home. Winnable. Then the Jaguars. That's a loss. Yeah. And then Patriots. Okay. Actually don't know. I think you play. Oh, the Saints. Saints. That's a must lose for draft. Must lose for draft picks because that's. Yeah. That could. That could be a substantial swing in Tankathon when it comes to where you're.

[Hank]

Going to be drafting memes. Have you guys covered five games in a row now?

[Big Cat]

Whoa.

[Hank]

Is the smart money on the New York Jets?

[Big Cat]

Holy shit. Is that true?

[Hank]

They. They beat the Bengals.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I have to imagine that you were underdogs for that game, right?

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

You. You beat the Browns by seven points. That's got to be another cover.

[Big Cat]

Yep. That was. Yep.

[Hank]

You covered against the Patriots. I think you were 13 and a half point dogs.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Yep.

[Hank]

And you lost by 13. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You covered against the race.

[Hank]

I think you were also 13 and a half point dogs.

[Big Cat]

To the right.

[Hank]

14 point dogs. You lost by 13.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

And then you won today outright against the Falcons.

[Max]

Ooh.

[Big Cat]

The jets are a money making team.

[Hank]

The Jets. All the smart money's on the jets right now.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[Hank]

These are the baby steps to establish yourself as a. As a winning culture.

[Big Cat]

Six out of last seven as well. Memes.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They haven't really got blown out this year. Except the Cowboys.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

In the Bills week two. Yeah.

[Hank]

Outlier memes. Have you thought.

[Big Cat]

Wait, but that was usually so long ago. You were pointing out the blowout. Yeah. So long ago. Different Bill scene, different jets team.

[Hank]

Memes. Have you thought about what happens if you guys had beat the Steelers week one?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I was, I was talking to Zach about that earlier. There. There's a. There's a couple of those games.

[Hank]

What happens? Let's just say that the. The score is 35, 34.

[Big Cat]

It sat in the Broncos game.

[Hank]

You beat the Bucks and the Bucks.

[Big Cat]

And the Panthers, so. And the Panthers if you beat.

[Hank]

If. If you beat The Steelers Week 1, how many more games do win?

[Big Cat]

Maybe you might not make those trades. No, because. Do you. That's a good point.

[Hank]

But then the Cowboys, and also Justin.

[Big Cat]

Fields gets a little bit longer of a leash. Yeah. Everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason. But it would be nice to be in the hunt. You can't go back.

[Hank]

What did you. What did you tell Zach about what would happen?

[Big Cat]

No, we'd just be in the hunt right now, Jason. Trying to break the playoff drought.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That's the goal. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's not gonna happen till 2028.

[Hank]

But what about 2027?

[Big Cat]

2020. What about 2026? 2026. No.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's a tough sketch.

[Hank]

It's a tough schedule you guys could maybe make. Why did you just write off 2027? I know how you feel about the schedule for next season. You've established that. But, like, why.

[Big Cat]

That'll be the rookie quarterback here. Memes. Do you have like a. A board in your house with. With pins in it and just like the whole rebuild? Because I would like to see that. I feel like you are Charlie Day with your. You have your schedule. You have the other team schedule. They had their pick and everything. I do go to bed and I just thinking, who's the next quarterback will be next season? And right now we're on Lamar Jackson.

[Hank]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

I didn't know who's on the market. Well, Ravens don't make the playoffs. Ravens good organization. They've moved on from quarterbacks in the past when they're at the end of their career trying to get that pick from a bad organization. They do a lot of homework on guys. They get their next guy on a rookie contract, build the defense, get wide receivers in, go back to the Super Bowl.

[Hank]

But I don't think that they would get rid of Lamar next year if that were.

[Big Cat]

He was on the market before. I like that memes. Yeah. You can't. If they don't make the playoffs, you can't say that. It's like a certainty now. I saw somebody say Joe Burrow. That wouldn't happen. Yeah. Wait, so what's going on with that? Because I saw a Vikings fan saying that, like, we should trade our two picks for Lamar or Joe Burrow. Or is this happening? That the. This is people without a quarterback who.

[Hank]

Are like, let's just trade five first.

[Big Cat]

Round picks of the Bengals who don't have a defense so they could use.

[Hank]

It for their defense. Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

Get a rookie quarterback.

[Hank]

It's just using your imagination.

[Big Cat]

I think Lamar would be more likely than Joe Burrow. Just because Joe Burrow is like, knowing the Bengals owner and how cheap he is. Having a quarterback that can sell tickets is like a gold mine for him.

[Hank]

Yeah, but wait, I, I, and this.

[Big Cat]

Is all, this is all hypothetical. There's just stuff I sent to the Jets. Group chat.

[Hank]

Okay. I just want to dive in a little bit further because I'm, I'm just a little bit confused. So you would get Lamar Jackson next year.

[Big Cat]

Year.

[Hank]

But then you'd also draft a quarterback the next year after that?

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. But if we get Lamar, we got Lamar.

[Hank]

If you get Lamar, then the plan for the rookie quarterback is done. And then at that point, we can start talking playoffs in 2027.

[Big Cat]

But Lamar's at the end of his career because that's why the Ravens traded him. Yep. So we, we got like, we got like three years. A little more.

[Hank]

This sounds a lot like the, the Aaron Rodgers situation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's how we do it. It. Yeah.

[Hank]

Okay. All right, well, congrats, Memes. This was a, a good win for you guys and you were very watchable. I, I enjoyed watching the Jets. I found myself rooting for the jets today.

[Big Cat]

Very watchable. Elite special teams.

[Hank]

Hey, anybody here has everyone's team. Anyone else's teams not lose in regulation this weekend?

[Big Cat]

Max lost in regulation.

[Hank]

Oh, he's the only. He's the only one.

[Max]

That's. Congratulations for losing in overtime.

[Hank]

Thanks.

[Max]

That's a. Yeah. You want to pat on the back for that?

[Hank]

That's why I mentioned regulation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was the regulation.

[Hank]

That's the whole point of the exercise.

[Max]

Yeah. Congrats.

[Hank]

Didn't lose and wreck.

[Max]

Congrat. I'm congratulating you for the, for that exercise. Really good exercise.

[Big Cat]

Raise your hand if you were winning or tied at the end of the fourth quarter.

[Hank]

Oh, yeah. Big time right here.

[Max]

That's so sick for you.

[Hank]

Zach.

[Big Cat]

Zach, get your hand up.

[Hank]

Pretty awesome, boys.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Niners £26 eight.

[Hank]

You should get a point for an overtime loss. Should be like hockey.

[Big Cat]

Niners 26, Brown Z.

[Max]

Sad little.

[Hank]

I'm a sad little man. I am sad.

[Max]

The low man.

[Hank]

No, I'm actually, I'm actually very happy. Max.

[Max]

By the low man trophy.

[Hank]

Max, we're not talking about the game yet.

[Big Cat]

The Browns did it again. Down 10, 8 at half lose 26 to 8. We had the Shador Standers run against all odds. 4th and 26. He finishes the game with a 5 yard run and slide. So stat hole looked it up 63 times since 1999. There's been a. A fourth and 26 or more and that was the first ever time that a team has run first ever.

[Hank]

Yeah, I. I would think that some quarterback would have like a broken down pocket they take. I.

[Big Cat]

No, you have to throw.

[Hank]

I can't believe support. Yeah, I know, but at some point, like you would. Maybe you thought you saw something.

[Big Cat]

No. No way.

[Hank]

But even crazier was the slide. Yeah, he just said it.

[Big Cat]

I mean, the game didn't matter, so people will clown him for it, but it's still. It was funny. It's. It's a weird. It's a weird thing to slide there.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's a weird thing not throw. Just throw.

[Hank]

Just try to make a play downfield somewhere. Chador did not play good today. He did get hit in the nuts though, when he went out of the game. I. I can tell just by how he jumped around the sideline. That's a jump that you do after getting injured. Only if you get hit in the nuts and you're trying to get rid of that nut pain.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this game was a little testy. You see Shelby Harris from the Browns after the game. Yeah. He called out Juwan Jennings and said he sees why he got punched in the nuts last week by the Panthers.

[Hank]

He called him a hoe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He said that he's ho's been hot in the streets.

[Hank]

That was gonna be my. Who's back is hoes. Yeah. But yeah, apparently Juwan Jennings hoe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Everyone was pissed at Juan Jennings. He must have said some wild.

[Hank]

I don't know. I. Yeah, who knows? I don't know what you can say to get. Get punched in the dick, but I. You know what? I'm gonna go with the Browns on this one. I'm gonna take their side. I don't think that you would just make that up, but Shador got. Got like hit in the balls taking a sack. And then Dylan Gabriel came in. And by the way, you want to talk about against all odds, Dylan Gabriel did not take a single snap with the first stringers a week. And then he got in, went one for one. Oh, and then they took him right out.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Just maybe something to keep an eye on. Although Stefanski said after the game that he's just going to keep going with Shador.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Which I. I pretty much agree with. Yeah, I think you have to.

[Big Cat]

The. Miles Garrett got his 19th sack. Miles Garrett also had words about Juwan Jennings. He said, I can't speak for how he was raised. I got to know what Juwan Jennings said. Some crazy.

[Hank]

How was. Well, now I got to look up also how he was raised.

[Big Cat]

Yes. So this was Malik. Oh, so Malik Collins went down with an injury. There were words exchanged between Juwan Jennings and some guys on the Browns defense. When Malik went down, it looked like there was something talking. And this is what Shelby said. He said, yeah, he's a hoe and I want that known. Like, I see why he got punched in the nuts because that's like he says some things that you should not say to another man ever. But I don't respect it because you say that then run behind your own line. That's some real soft. And I want that known. I see exactly why they punch your nuts. I'm surprised nobody punched him in the jaw yet. That's such a funny quote. I see exactly why they punched your nuts.

[Hank]

He's a hoe. And in his defense, I think if I had Trent Williams hanging around me, I would say a lot of ho shit too. Yeah. You can get away with anything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know. I. So yeah, the. The whole thing was. I. I don't know what. I don't know what the fuck he said, but I. The Niners are. The Niners are good, by the way. I. They're good. Their defense is playing well. They're young. Feels like Purdy. Purdy didn't have like eye popping stats, but he also was playing against an incredible defense in the Cleveland Browns and really bad weather, like very windy. It felt like he had some zip back on his ball and it felt like he was making the right decisions after that Monday night game where he just kept on throwing picks.

[Hank]

I think the most emasculating thing that can happen to you in the NFL is if Brock Purdy Dougies on you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And that's what happened to the Browns today. That's probably. It was probably misplaced anger at Juwan Jennings and it was all stemming from the fact that Brock Purdy just hit you with a Dougie. He dug it on a touchdown scramble. A Dougie that he'd been practicing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

All week. That's how. That's how bad teams are overlooking the Browns now is you've got the Brock Purdy's of the world orchestrating a Dougie touchdown dance against you during practice time during the week. Week.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That's got to be. That should go up on the bulletin board if you're the Browns.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Just big time.

[Hank]

Think about that going into next week and you'll probably come out and play harder.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You don't want to see this man dougying on you.

[Hank]

No. Brock Purdy. Who do they play next?

[Big Cat]

They have a buy.

[Hank]

Okay, that's good. And then after that, I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I think their schedule is pretty easy. The Niners are a problem.

[Hank]

Let's see.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Cam Ward, Titans.

[Hank]

Yeah. If Cam Ward hit. Think about Cam Ward hitting you with a sturdy. And then that should get you all the motivation that you need.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Or like Cam Ward doing the Macarena on you.

[Max]

Niners is tough. The rest of their schedule.

[Big Cat]

Titans is a win. Then. Then Colts at Colts. Yeah. No, the Bear. The Bears. Niners game I have circled is going.

[Max]

To be all three of those games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that is. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was looking at their schedule more. I. You know what it is? I was looking at their schedule after the Rams game because they did have. They have a four week stretch of games that they should win and they have won three out of four of them. And so now they're in a pretty good spot. Everyone's good, everyone's bad. By the way, Shadore Sanders, he said after the game that the team is not going to be a microwave thing. We're going to have sparks, but it's going to take time to be able to develop that chemistry with everybody. Sparks happen in microwaves.

[Hank]

They certainly do. If. Especially if you leave a spoon in there.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Like a little tin foil.

[Hank]

Yeah. That's ground zero for sparks inside a house.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

What is he thinking?

[Big Cat]

It's not gonna be a microwave.

[Hank]

What. What are the Browns?

[Big Cat]

They're not going to be.

[Hank]

Are they a slow cooker?

[Big Cat]

I have no idea. But they're not going to be a microwave. They want. He wants you known.

[Hank]

Are they a smoker?

[Big Cat]

Crock pot?

[Hank]

Yeah, Slow. Yeah. Crock pot. That sounds about right.

[Big Cat]

The Browns had the most muffed punt ever today where it was so perfect. It was like if you could draw up a buff punt. It went in the guy's hand in like his bread basket and right out. Perfect bounce to the 49ers.

[Hank]

Yeah, it was pretty bad. The Niners, you're right, though. The Niners are just a good football team.

[Big Cat]

They are. And. And McCaffrey, by the way, was just so he went 800 rushing, 800 receiving for the season. That's just the third time. Third time in his career he's done that. The only other player to do that is Marshall Fox block.

[Hank]

Pretty cool. That's pretty good. Yeah, I thought that. I thought Kittle has looked good, too.

[Big Cat]

Really good.

[Hank]

Has looked good. Juwan Jennings, even though he's a hoe, he's looked like he's a productive hoe.

[Big Cat]

I understand why they punched his nuts.

[Hank]

You gotta have a. You gotta have one hoe on your team.

[Big Cat]

That's gonna be brutal to. To have everyone else in the league be like, yeah, you deserve to get punched in the nuts. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Hank]

But also, if you're a true hoe, you kind of wear that like a badge of honor.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like a real past.

[Big Cat]

You made people that upset that they had to punch you in the nut.

[Hank]

Yeah. You mad? Rent free. That's how hoes live.

[Big Cat]

I got him so mad they touched my penis. Yeah, that's gay.

[Hank]

Pause.

[Big Cat]

Got him.

[Hank]

You wait. You think I'm a hoe?

[Big Cat]

Pause. Well, yeah. You touch my dick. Who's the hoe now? Yeah, he got it. That's an uno reverse card on him.

[Hank]

Yeah, I. I also like how Miles Garrett has the number 25 written down on his wrist now. Oh, that's thinking about it. He's thinking about 25. I like 25 sacks. Who's. Is that? McKinley. He might just be a big William McKinley fan. I don't know why else you'd have. But, yeah, he's thinking about getting 25 sacks on the season. It's all. It's honestly a little bit inspiring what Miles Garrett's doing. The fact that he's playing this hard on the Browns, that should. That. Wow.

[Big Cat]

He's getting paid a lot of money. Yeah.

[Hank]

But there's a lot of guys that get paid a lot of money that play for bad teams that stopped trying and stopped caring. Miles Garrett. Say what you want about the Browns overall or how much money he's making.

[Big Cat]

He is.

[Hank]

He's earning every penny of his contract right now, which is crazy.

[Big Cat]

It is. It is pretty nuts that the Browns in the last 20 years could. You could make the argument had two of, like, the best. I don't know, three or say five. Two of the best. Five players all time at their position with Joe Thomas. Miles Garrett.

[Hank]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty insane. And they like that. That's. That's got to be frustrating. Yeah. Those guys are hall of Famers and, like, premier premiere at their position and nothing to show for it.

[Hank]

I don't like how Jerry Judy was yelling at Shador, though, by the way.

[Big Cat]

When I say nothing to show for it. They have something to show for it. The Browns.

[Hank]

Yes. Yes. Yeah, they personally do.

[Big Cat]

They personally.

[Hank]

Hall of Famer.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

In the conversation. To be in the MVP conversation.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

But you see Jerry Judy talking to Shador on the side, yelling at him, yelling, jerry Judy, you gotta. There's some tape on you.

[Big Cat]

Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy up your booty.

[Hank]

But I guess I like. I don't know. I like the fact that they're. They're communicating at least. I don't think that he talked to Dylan Gabriel that way.

[Big Cat]

I think you could just say whatever you want and then. And then afterwards just be like, yeah, we're passionate. We want to win. We're frustrated.

[Hank]

Rated. Yeah. I think when. When Dylan Gabriel is in the game, I don't think that they get that passionate.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Hank]

He's holding him accountable.

[Big Cat]

Well, it's Hawaiian time.

[Hank]

That's true.

[Big Cat]

It's a little more relaxed.

[Hank]

That's true. Yeah. The Browns, congrats on continuing to play hard for that defense. The 49ers, I think since there's no really good teams, they're super bowl contenders.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

This is the year that they do it. The Niners, if they make the playoffs, they go to the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Let's just check DraftKings real quick. Whose line is it anyway? We got the ass bowl next week. Titans versus the Browns. I love the Browns in that game. I don't know what the line would be. I'm gonna say, where's the game?

[Hank]

Cleveland.

[Big Cat]

Cleveland Browns minus three and a half. I know.

[Max]

I know the number.

[Hank]

Oh, wait.

[Max]

Hank knows it too.

[Hank]

Browns minus one and a half.

[Big Cat]

Nope. Browns minus four and a half.

[Hank]

Really? Oh, they're. They're daring you.

[Big Cat]

Wow.

[Hank]

They are saying you won't.

[Big Cat]

What's the over? Under 36 and a half. What is it? 30? I can't say 33 and a half. That's ass. That's ass. I like the over based on my numbers.

[Hank]

33 and a half.

[Big Cat]

Damn.

[Hank]

You know what?

[Big Cat]

Ass Bowl.

[Hank]

I think I like the Titans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I like the Titans in the oak.

[Hank]

That's. That's a lot of points for her for an expected. Expected total of 34 points.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Four and a half is a very large percentage of that amount of points.

[Big Cat]

Although you could just see the Browns should this doing his thing and like going up seven nothing. Game over.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Afternoon games. Seahawks 26, Vikings 0. Don't have a lot on this game other than Max Brosmer, is not it?

[Hank]

No. Max Brosmer is a great insurance policy for. For jj. I feel like the. The cobwebs are going to be clearing up pretty quickly for JJ after today.

[Big Cat]

I I feel bad for Max Rossman in the fact that, like, you had. I hope he can continue to be a backup, but, like, this was his chance, if he played decent, to have a long career as a backup. He threw four interceptions. Not all his fault.

[Hank]

Some.

[Big Cat]

A couple were tipped.

[Hank]

One of them was the worst.

[Big Cat]

One of them was the worst interception. I also. Hank shared the stat with me that if you spike the ball every play, you'd get a QBR of 39.6. Max Brosmer's QBR this week was 32.8. And J.J. mcCarthy's QBR last week was 34.2. So that's the quarterback play that's happening for the Minnesota Vikings right now.

[Hank]

This. The. The interception that you're talking about on the 4th and 1. I've never seen a more Carson Wentz play in my entire life. He learned that from Carson Wentz.

[Big Cat]

He just was like, fuck it. I'm gonna hope this works.

[Hank]

I'm gonna just contort my body. And you know what? It's 4th and 1. We. We should be applauding him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

For making an attempt unlike Shador.

[Big Cat]

It's the anti. Shador.

[Hank]

You went for it.

[Big Cat]

You.

[Hank]

That's essentially a punt. You just got a punt returned for a touchdown against you.

[Big Cat]

Memes is saying he threw a grenade.

[Hank]

He did throw the grenade.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But the funniest part of that interception wasn't the pick. I don't think it was the. The sad attempt at a tackle afterwards, the little belly flop that he does on the ground to try to reach out and get him. Didn't quite get their Max going into this game. I did a little bit of reading on Max Brosmer and what to expect out of him. And the report out of camp for the Vikings was that they really liked how calm he was. That was the. That was the number one thing that they said about the guy.

[Big Cat]

That he's calm.

[Hank]

That he's calm. That he's very calm.

[Big Cat]

Do you think it's. He's calm because he's like, I know that I. It's not going to work or what? Why is he calm?

[Hank]

I don't know. But that's. That was the. If that's the number one trait that you can point at in one of your quarterbacks and be like, I love how calm this guy is. You should probably bet against that person. The NFL is not a calm guy.

[Big Cat]

Sport. Yes. By the way, I have a fun Max Brosmer stat for you. So he was through for 126 yards, four interceptions, zero TDs that stat line has happened before and it happened in 1950 by Tommy Thompson, who played for the Philadelphia Eagles. Tommy Thompson was blind in one eye. Oh, that's tough because he served in World War II. Thank you for your service, Tommy Thompson.

[Hank]

Thank you, sir.

[Big Cat]

So that was the last time. That 126 yards he had no death was a guy with one eye that he couldn't see out of.

[Hank]

Yeah. He had no depth perception whatsoever. So he couldn't see linebackers.

[Big Cat]

You know who's also got no perception whatsoever? Steve Mariucci, who said that. That Max Brosnar is going to throw for 485 yards today.

[Hank]

That's. I, I appreciate the call by Mooch, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like, thank you for being the one person to go out there. Although it's kind of mean because I don't think anyone had any expectations for Brosmer until Steve Mariochi said, hey, you should expect this guy to throw for 400 today.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. And. And it was the first time the Vikings were shut out since 2007. They had the third longest streak of not being shut out. 294 streaks. Great games.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So it was bad. It was bad. And really credit to Seahawks defense. Sam Donald wasn't great today.

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

Brian Flores blitzed. Blitzed the. Out of him. Jsn. They could never get on the same page. But the Seattle defense is very, very good. And if you have a guy who's making his first start, they're going to make you pay. And that's what happened.

[Hank]

Is this a blueprint game for how to slow down the Seahawks? I think there have been enough blueprint games out there regarding Sam Darnold.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

But this is the blueprint. It's like just blitz the out of them, make him scared, and then hopefully he won't dice you up.

[Big Cat]

Was Kev. Was Kevin o' Connell actually correct? Because he showed that Sam Darnold wasn't very good.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Maybe he's right.

[Hank]

Maybe. So this is a. Prove it. This is a prove it for him. Yeah. The Vikings feel like quarterback Max Brosmer is going to be more mentally prepared than what they've had this season. According to Jeremy Fowler, espn.

[Big Cat]

That's a shot at nine.

[Hank]

That is a shot at nine.

[Big Cat]

Should we buy Max Brosmer stock? You have. You have nine stock? I might buy Max Bros.

[Hank]

I think my nine stock just. It went to the moon today.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna buy Max Brosner stock. I'm gonna buy the dip.

[Hank]

He might not get back in though.

[Big Cat]

Right. But he. Then he can't Throw interceptions.

[Hank]

Cfl.

[Big Cat]

Cfl.

[Hank]

CFL will be good. Cfl, ufl.

[Big Cat]

Do you think Nine's coming back?

[Hank]

Nine's gonna come back.

[Big Cat]

It's. Vikings fans are, are. Are very, very frustrated and I, I see that and they have every right to be because it's. It feels like this was a completely like bungled season that they didn't have to have. And Justin Jefferson's pissed off he left without talking to the media. Like I get Vikings fans being like, this is how this season has gone.

[Hank]

After last year, we're saying that maybe they just need better wide receivers in Minnesota.

[Big Cat]

Maybe.

[Hank]

Maybe they gotta get. They. They need to go out there and get nine some weapons this offseason.

[Big Cat]

They need to get him some weapons.

[Hank]

But yeah, you expect them to do it all on his own. Get him a couple playmakers at wide receiver and watch what he does to this league.

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, Vikings fans. Yeah, it sucks.

[Hank]

It does suck. And it does feel like Kevin o' Connell might have. Might have outsmarted himself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Stated the, you know, blackjack table a little too long.

[Hank]

Might have outsmarted yourself just a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. Okay, next up, Raiders and Chargers. This game we can go quick too. Chargers are better than the Raiders. No, duh. Raiders are eliminated. Raiders are I think the worst team in the NFL. Their. Their offense is so bad. Geno did like when he throws the Brock Bowers. It works. But he got sacked another five times. Ashton, Jenny. Their offensive line is so bad. Ash. Jenny had 15 rushes for 31 yards. That's hard to do. Yeah, that's hard to do.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

And they're just horrific. I don't know what to say. Like the Raiders are just a horrific, horrific watch right now. And the Chargers are much better. And the Chargers are able to run the ball well, which helps Justin Herbert who broke his hand, which is like a very classic Chargers. That's a. That's a very Chargers like post game. They dominated the Raiders. The run game looked great. Justin Herbert didn't get killed. Oh, and he broke his hand.

[Hank]

Yeah. That was a.

[Big Cat]

So charged.

[Hank]

That was unfortunate for the Charger. They didn't have to. He didn't even have to be in the game. Game really. Trey Lance I think could have beaten the Raiders on the zone today. Yeah, the Raiders are a big time bummer. Last week I did not feel this way. But I've been thinking more about it. I'm not so sure now that Pete Carroll comes back.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

And it might be a mutual thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Where he's just like, I don't. I don't really feel like doing the.

[Big Cat]

Whole rebuild here because it's not a instant fix.

[Hank]

It's not. They thought. Well, they put Greg Olson back for the third time, I think, being the. The offensive coordinator for the Raiders. Olson with an O. But, yeah, every, like, four years, they bring him back and they have two O's. They have him be interim offensive coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

It didn't. It doesn't look like it's worked any better this time than it has in the past. I was actually thinking maybe. Maybe we're not giving Tom Brady enough credit here.

[Big Cat]

Four.

[Hank]

Maybe. Maybe Tom Brady just. He's a competitive guy. Maybe he just hates this. He hates Pete Carroll so much from the games that he played against him. Him, that he's like, you know what? I'm gonna hire him to be my coach and then just give him absolute dog to coach with. Torture him and just torture him for a couple years.

[Big Cat]

It's. He can't be having fun.

[Hank]

He's not having fun.

[Big Cat]

He cannot be having fun. It's. It's bad. They're a tough, tough watch. And now we have. I. Do you think. I mean, you have to beat Trey Lance.

[Max]

Justin Herbert's saying he's gonna play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But he wasn't able to go under center. That's a big deal, like, for how the Chargers want to play. Justin Herbert, by the way, big dumb pick guy. He is. This was. This. That was a big dumb pick.

[Max]

It's tough for me to say because Jalen Hurst threw a big. It was just. That was a normal pick, but, I.

[Hank]

Mean, that was a great pick.

[Max]

This is a big. It was a big dumb pick guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was trying to. He was trying to just throw as hard as he could to Lad, and lad was very covered.

[Hank]

Yeah. And into the corner.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Justin Herbert, though, he is now third all time in terms of yards thrown, passing yards in his first six seasons. He's now only behind Peyton Manning and Patrick Mahomes for first six seasons. So he passed Dan Marino. He actually probably will. He'll pass. He'll pass Mahomes. He'll be two. He'll. He'll be second all time if he keeps playing the rest of the season. Pretty crazy.

[Hank]

Yeah, he's pretty good. And the. The run game for the Chargers look good today, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Every time I looked up, Vidal was just running down the sideline away from people.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. We have the bills, 26, Steelers, seven. Bills back on track. I actually think is There a chance that the Bills woke up when the refs did not call a roughing the passer or whatever it would have been because Josh Allen slid and they hit him late. It felt like the Bills woke up from that.

[Hank]

Well, so the Bills in the first half. Here's what their possessions looked like. Interception, punt, punt, fumble, field goal.

[Big Cat]

And then when did he get hit?

[Hank]

Bills in the second half.

[Big Cat]

When did he get hit? It was the last drive of the first half. Right. And the whole team went crazy.

[Hank]

Was that the last driver? First drive of the second half.

[Big Cat]

Let me. I'll look it up.

[Hank]

Okay. But in the second half, the Bills possessions. Fumble recovery for touchdown killed Aaron Rodgers. Touchdown, touchdown, field goal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So they only had three real possessions in the second half. Touchdown, touchdown, field goal. It was just one team made an adjustment at halftime. The other did not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, I mean the, the. The Joey Bosa sack and then scoop and score was that. That basically ended the game for the Steelers even though it was only a one score game.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But it's still. Yeah, it was. It was the last possession of the first half. I think that might have woken up. I think that might have been the start of the championship.

[Hank]

So that was their field goal drive. That was. Those are scoring drive at the end.

[Big Cat]

Of the first where they went on a pretty nice long drive. They had the. I think Jim Nance said at one point they had the ball for 30 real minutes.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Which was pretty crazy. But yeah, the Steelers are a disaster.

[Hank]

A disaster that's kind of still in it. So they're 500.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because it is like Tomlin. Tomlin feels like he's truly finally on the ropes. And I actually agree with Steelers fans. You need something new. This is the same team every single year. That's when he beats the Ravens.

[Hank]

Yeah. So he's 500 right now. Steelers are technically behind the Ravens right now.

[Big Cat]

It would be.

[Hank]

But that could switch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It would be really funny if this is the first year he goes 8, 9 and they're like, yeah, yep, you're out.

[Hank]

You're out.

[Big Cat]

Like you can't do it.

[Hank]

You know what I think the Steelers should do? They should. I know the, the Rooney and Mera families are very close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

If they called up the Mares and they said, hey, you're looking for a coach, let's trade. Let's trade. Make me an offer for Mike Tomlin. I. He could probably convince the Mara family to trade a first round pick from. For Mike.

[Big Cat]

What about Mike Tomlinson for Jamus?

[Hank]

That. So that was my idea going into the season is like the Steelers need to do something to just change. To clean the carpet.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Hank]

Change everything. Jamis would be the one guy that could take that offense and just make it look entirely 180 degree different from what it is. But if I'm, if I'm the Steelers, I would try to be like, hey, you want to trade for my coach? Give me first round pick for Mike Tomlin. I feel like the Giants would kill to go.500 in a classy, dignified way. Yeah. Like the Mares like to do every year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, you'd be in it.

[Hank]

You'd be in it. You'd be in the conversation. You, your franchise would be stable.

[Big Cat]

Here's the problem for Mike Tomlin and I have, I think probably like the last couple years I've come around when Steelers fans complain about Mike Tomlin, like, you know what, you're right. Because it does look the same every year. And they haven't been able to figure out since, since big. Pretty much since Big Ben hurt his arm. They have not had an answer a quarterback because then they trotted him out when he was clearly not the same guy and everything. Since then. They booed Renegade today.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Big Cat]

When you, when the Steelers fans are booing Renegade, it's over.

[Hank]

You get. They're saying, you guys don't deserve Renegade.

[Big Cat]

It's, it's over. You can't boo Renegade.

[Hank]

You got to earn Renegade.

[Big Cat]

But I actually appreciate it. This is a booing Renegade. And, and, and afterwards Aaron Rodgers said that was a boo worthy performance. He admitted to it. And he also. Aaron Rodgers, I, he said after that, like, what, what? A reporter asked like, how do you guys get on the same page? He's like, some of the guys have to come to all the meetings. So apparently some guys are not showing up to meet it.

[Hank]

He said when there's film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check to a route, you do the right route. So he's throwing, he's trying to throw people under the bus without saying their names.

[Big Cat]

But I that performance, I think it's time to start throwing people under the bus. People will. I can't believe I'm sitting here kind of defending Aaron Rodgers. But like, if there's ever a time, it's when you're six and six and you had that type of performance at home.

[Hank]

And you can still make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

And you can still make the playoffs. This is the time to start calling people out.

[Hank]

There were a couple passes that he threw that it Was. It was just very clear that the Sealers receivers did not run the correct, correct place. They. They ran. They ran like a short under instead of running like more of a vertical route. And Rogers threw a great pass to where his receiver should have been. So yeah, I'll defend Aaron Rodgers. That must suck for him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

This is maybe your last season. You'd like guys to put in at least like the bare minimum amount of work. But I don't even think that if you do like they. The Steelers offense is just so boring. I know that even if you do put. I still think that they're ceiling. They're absolute ceiling is winning a playoff game.

[Big Cat]

I do not.

[Hank]

They can get in.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if they can win one. I. They'd have to play a playoff team.

[Hank]

They can. They can ug it up. Nobody's good in the NFL though.

[Big Cat]

I understand. But the Steelers are not good.

[Hank]

Yeah, but there's a lot of. There's a lot of good teams that aren't good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't see it.

[Hank]

A lot of good teams that aren't good.

[Big Cat]

What are you gonna say, Max?

[Max]

What was our debate?

[Big Cat]

Pft.

[Max]

I think it was jets to make the playoffs or Aaron Rodgers to win a playoff game. I think both are equally as likely.

[Hank]

The jets to make. Well, let's see if. If the Steelers, if they were in the raven spot right now. I know they're not in the playoffs.

[Max]

But the jets are playing better football than the Steelers.

[Hank]

They are?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Who are the Ravens? Like, who would they be slotted against?

[Big Cat]

If. If the.

[Hank]

If the playoffs started today.

[Big Cat]

If the playoffs started today, the. They would play the Chargers and they would lose.

[Hank]

Maybe that's.

[Max]

That's like the one team.

[Big Cat]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Hank]

I don't know. Like, there's no good teams. The Chargers lost to the Commanders.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but that was with Jaden Daniel Culture.

[Max]

Bills. Definitely. Definitely losses.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they just played the Bills.

[Hank]

They just played the Bills. But they.

[Big Cat]

Oh, they did beat the Colts.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

See, like there's no. I just don't know if.

[Big Cat]

I don't think they're going to get in.

[Hank]

You're confusing me saying that the Steelers are a good football team with me saying that they're capable of winning a playoff game.

[Max]

Well, that would constitute a good football.

[Big Cat]

Well, also playoff game means you got to get to the playoffs.

[Hank]

You got to get to the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

But that part is going to be the part that I don't know if.

[Hank]

They can get to the play that division. I think it's it's open for a team to finish nine and eight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They. They still play the Ravens twice, so that's just going to be how they decided it. Yeah. Is going to be there. And the Bills. The Bills. So TJ Watts said after the game he's never seen a team run the same play that much and have that kind of success. Talking about the Bills, just running it down their throat. And that's what they did. They just. The Bills. The Bills, when they can run the ball are scary because it's like, hey, we don't need Josh to be Superman all the time. James Cook is really good. And then they'll get into those short yardage situations and have Josh be able to use his legs when he needs to. Bills are just pretty much trying to stay the course, get healthy on offense. Keon Coleman did score a touchdown today.

[Hank]

That was good to see.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Did you notice what happened in the game with the. The NFL expedited review. There was a face mask. The refs threw a flag for the face mask.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

He goes out to midfield, makes the announcement. Face mask defense, 15 yard penalty, automatic first down. Upon further review, there was no face mask penalty. He just said it. He just said it like right after he announced the face mask. The NFL has some weird shadow review policy. I know they have their expedited review that they can use to overturn egregious stuff, but we don't know what goes into it. We don't know who's making the call. We don't know when the refs are being spoken to by New York.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

We don't know what they're looking at, what they're seeing, what they're not looking at.

[Big Cat]

More importantly, we need the ACC crew. We need either they show us the, the whole behind the scenes, it's the.

[Hank]

Like epl, where you get. Where you get to hear them and watch them do the diagrams and. But just for a referee to not even really take a breath and to be like, actually what I just told you for psych.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Just kidding, guys.

[Hank]

We're just gonna psych that one out. I there needs. I need to know more about what's happening behind the scenes.

[Big Cat]

I'd agree.

[Hank]

This is how Goodell sneaks stuff past you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. He does it. And then we're like all of a sudden, hey, we have just robot arms.

[Hank]

I don't mind them getting stuff. Right, Right. Because obviously it was not a face mask. I think he grabbed like the ball or the top of his jersey. So they got it Right. But it's just mostly they gave up the game, and now we know that there's some weird happening in real time and we don't know what's happening.

[Big Cat]

Dave, there's some closet where they got everything going on.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Last game, robot question. Rho, B, A, C, D, K.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q Zips, Polo's hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take PFT. My robot question for you is, are you happy the Commanders lost that game?

[Hank]

In the moment, I was rooting hard for a win. I wanted to win because for me, I. I needed to see the dank win, had not lost the locker room, that the team was still playing hard because I need to. I need to have some good feelings. Pulling out a win like this would have been a lot of fun.

[Big Cat]

Jaden coming back maybe next week.

[Hank]

Jaden on the sidelines watching now, when it comes to that. They talked about that on the. On the broadcast tonight because in the first half, Marcus Mariota was not playing. Mariota. That was Mike Tirico's Italian acts and.

[Big Cat]

Chris Collins were Started doing it, too.

[Hank]

I think he heard, doing the Italian thing, he's like, that sounds fun. Mariota.

[Big Cat]

That bothered me.

[Hank]

So what happened was in the first half, he wasn't playing good. And then they talked about Jaden and how he's practicing, ready to come back.

[Big Cat]

Back.

[Hank]

And he wants to come back when he's healthy. I'm very. I'm glad that Jaden wants to come back and play. I personally do not want Jaden back playing this year.

[Big Cat]

I think you got to let players play. It's like Joe Burrow.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's like Joe, bro. I like the fact that they want to come back and play.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You can't. You can't. You can't have. If he's fully healthy, you can't be like, you're just not gonna play the last five games.

[Hank]

Then I was thinking about. I was like, how would Dan Quinn be able to tell Jaden that he's not going to play without ruining that relationship?

[Big Cat]

Also the whole locker room, the whole lot, like, if. If Jaden Daniels is healthy, he's going to tell everyone he's healthy and like, yeah, they're not letting me play.

[Hank]

Yeah. But I, I thought. I thought the Commanders played hard tonight.

[Big Cat]

They did.

[Hank]

The defense showed a little bit of life for the first time in a long time.

[Big Cat]

It was an entertaining game.

[Hank]

It's a very entertaining game. The offense, like, having Terry McLaurin on the field makes this look like a completely different football team. Like it's totally. The offense looks competent when he's out there. Mariota had some. He had some strange plays. I don't know what goes through his decision making process sometimes, but he's, I guess, not a terrible backup. I. I am happy that they lost the game, but in the moment I really wanted to win. So I think scoring at the end of the game in overtime, going for two, that was the right move. Who gives a if you lose it? We are officially, I think, out of the hunt now. I saw us on a stray in the hunt graphic at the start of the day.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

And that was kind of nice to see for a second. But no, we stink. We're not very good, but we played very hard.

[Big Cat]

You're not one of the worst teams.

[Hank]

We played very hard tonight against a good team. A very good team. Maybe. I don't know if there are any very good teams. We played very. We played very hard tonight against a team that is at or near the top of their conferences. Playoff race. They're.

[Big Cat]

They're in the one seed right now. Obviously. The Patriots have to play on Monday night. The Broncos are 10 and two the last four times or the only four times the. The Denver Broncos have started 10 and two in a season. They've gone to the super bowl every single time.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So just a weird stat. Bonix is. That pick made no sense. That pick was crazy. But then he makes plays where that throw that he made where he was falling down was an incredible throw.

[Hank]

It was amazing.

[Big Cat]

And he. And the drive in overtime was a perfect drive. So Bonix continues to confuse me, which is fine. I think that's just my. My relationship with Bo Nix is. It's going to be complicated. He did at all times.

[Hank]

The pick to Bobby Wagner was. I have no idea what he was looking at.

[Big Cat]

It was crazy because Bobby. I think he didn't see him.

[Hank]

Bobby Wagner can't move. Maybe Bo is like a T. Rex where his vision's based on movement. Bobby Wagner was just standing perfectly still in the middle of the field. I can't throw the ball right at him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Wait. Can we see the Bobby Net Wagner pick? Because I. I think maybe. Wait, that's not the Bobby Wagner pick. That's Bobby Wagner.

[Hank]

That's Bobby Wagner being slow. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that was Bobby Wagner being really slow. Okay, wait, go back. I think. I think maybe he didn't see Bobby Wagner behind his offensive lineman because that. Yeah, I think maybe Bobby Wagner wasn't in his line.

[Hank]

But who is that ball being thrown to?

[Big Cat]

I don't know who 13 is.

[Hank]

So he's under throwing 13 by about nine yards. Yeah, I don't know. I think. I think that maybe was a scheduled throwaway.

[Big Cat]

I. I have no idea. It makes no sense to me. It was Pat Bryant. I. Yeah, but it's complicated with Bonix. I'm not, I'm not bashing the guy. He wins football games. I just. It's complicated.

[Hank]

I mean, usually Bo Nicks sucks for the first like three quarters and then.

[Big Cat]

He'S great and he was good in.

[Hank]

The whole time, but today it was like he was. He was pretty good for the first half. Some of the second half stunk in the fourth quarter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then he was back to being good.

[Big Cat]

Bow in overtime, through for 321. Like was. I mean, I still like him in. In theory because he does make plays with his feet and he. He takes shots. But yeah, there was Marcus Mariota through 50 times tonight.

[Hank]

That's not a. That's not a winning formula. But you agree that it's overtime too, with. With Terry on the field.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank]

It looks like a complete.

[Big Cat]

No. You guys were taking like deep shots that you thought had a reasonable chance of connecting.

[Hank]

Yeah, actually, I'll say this. I. I like all the deep shots that Mariota took. He just overthrew all of them. Yeah. Like if he had. If he had a good long range arm, I feel like we win that game going away. But at least he was taking shots.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was a good defense. You put up a lot of. I mean, 26 points, a lot of yards against good defense. The offense might. You guys might win some games down the stretch. You might play.

[Hank]

Spoiler the defense.

[Big Cat]

Look, you could spoil the Cowboys.

[Max]

He's gonna. Eagles are gonna split with the commanders a thousand percent. I already told him that.

[Hank]

No, that. Max. No way. Max, what you saw tonight, this was.

[Big Cat]

Like, oh, you guys played twice.

[Hank]

Yeah, twice.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[Hank]

What you saw tonight for your commanders, this was. This was as hard as that defense is going to play. They're playing in prime time after getting embarrassed in front of national audiences. They just came back from Spain, had a bye week, and they just heard America talking about how bad the defense is. But Dan Quinn had the guys playing as hard as they're going to play for the rest of the season. Now if Jaden comes back, who knows?

[Max]

That's what I'm saying. Jane will be back and McLaurin's back.

[Big Cat]

Congratulations PFT on having your last prime time Game.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

That's got to be nice.

[Hank]

I love that. Thank God. It should be. This game should not have been on prime time. Although I'm glad that it was.

[Big Cat]

Well, it was preseason.

[Hank]

It was a fun game.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, they don't start using. I feel like they don't flex. They don't use the flex because there's so many like, oh, CBS can block it and so can it. You know, so many blocks.

[Hank]

When they tell you it's all flexible.

[Big Cat]

It's not.

[Hank]

That's some.

[Big Cat]

It never is. We need a fully flexible NFL schedule. It should be. The NFL schedule should be like college football. They don't tell you the times of the games until two weeks out. Yeah, that'd be great. Imagine that. How awesome that would be. They just pick the best Sunday Night football game every year.

[Hank]

Make it all flexi.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, every week.

[Hank]

Now. Traylon Burks also had one of the best catches season tonight. He had the one handed catch.

[Big Cat]

Incredible. Over.

[Hank]

Over Moss. I think he mossed Moss.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Which is pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

That shit was awesome.

[Hank]

Do you know about Traylon Burks, his backstory?

[Big Cat]

Well, he was on the Titans.

[Hank]

He was on the Titans.

[Big Cat]

I thought he was going to be very good. Good.

[Hank]

I did too. But before that, like coming out of college, I did not realize is. He is a. He's a hog hunter. He kills wild hogs with a knife.

[Big Cat]

We went to Arkansas, right?

[Hank]

Yeah, but he's. He is actually like, he takes a knife and then goes out with his dogs. His dogs find wild hogs and then he jumps on them and he kills them with a knife.

[Big Cat]

We talking black hog down.

[Hank]

We're talking Blackhawk, not helicopter hogs.

[Big Cat]

No, I love those. Those videos are crazy.

[Hank]

They are crazy. But imagine, imagine that just with no helicopter and no gun. Just like he's like Rambo out in the middle of the forest with a knife. He just jumps on their backs and kills.

[Big Cat]

That's badass.

[Hank]

That's pretty badass.

[Big Cat]

I also feel like 50% of the people who kill those hogs do it just because they can. Well, actually, anyone who's like, oh, why would you kill these hogs? Like, actually, they're the worst things in the world.

[Hank]

30 to 50 feral hogs run through your back.

[Big Cat]

They ruin everything they have. No, you can't even eat them. They're gross. Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, they are a problem. They're a nuisance.

[Big Cat]

They're a big time problem.

[Hank]

They'll root around for all your stuff.

[Big Cat]

Because people like to do that where they're like, yeah, you. It's kind of like shooting deer would be. Oh, don't shoot the deer. It's like, do you know what would happen to the deer population if there was no hunting and if you did not kill all deer everywhere?

[Hank]

If they didn't kill all the hogs. Hogs are dangerous, too.

[Big Cat]

They are.

[Hank]

Hogs will run your ass over, you kill your cat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know if they'll kill cats.

[Hank]

But not when Traylon Burks is around.

[Big Cat]

And that's pretty bad. He's.

[Hank]

He's the only man standing between us and chaos as a society. Good for guys like him.

[Big Cat]

Agreed.

[Hank]

But I do want to see who the Hogs are on this team. Not so that he can kill them like the hogs. Like the. The way that the Redskins use the term.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

We're on hog watch for the rest of the season.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Okay, that was week 14. We're going to talk some college football during who's Back. Let's do who's Back. I'm sure we'll touch everything. Who's Back of the Week is brought to you by Twisted Tea. Who's Back? The week is sponsored by Twisted Tea and the holiday season officially back. You've got your Christmas parties, you got the hometown bars and you got the family members you haven't seen since last Christmas. So you need something good to drink. Our go to is Twisted Tea for whatever the holidays throw at you. It's smooth and refreshing, made with real brewed tea and isn't carbonated, which is key to keeping you going all day long without feeling like you're going to explode. So make sure to grab a few cases of Twisted Tea this season. And whatever you do, keep it twisted. We love Twisted Tea. I love the original. I love the peach Pft likes the half lemonade half tea. Go get a twisted tea. Today it is. This is. Listen, December's go to holiday parties and hang out and have a couple. Couple drinks month. You know, if you're. If you, if you got Christmas coming up, don't be a Brandon Walker or Big T. Get a Twisted tea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

I didn't understand that.

[Big Cat]

That was the craziest take ever.

[Hank]

Which one?

[Big Cat]

Brandon Walker and Big T saying that they don't have a sip of alcohol during Thanksgiving Or Chris.

[Max]

Not even. They don't have. They would be offended if someone came with a bottle of wine to Thanksgiving.

[Hank]

Offended?

[Max]

Offended.

[Big Cat]

That part's crazy. I'm a big live I'm Big live and let live guy. So, like, I don't care if someone's drinking or not drinking. But to say like you don't like no one can drink on Thanksgiving is crazy. Crazy. It's crazy.

[Hank]

That is nuts.

[Big Cat]

You're sitting and watching football all day.

[Max]

I agreed with you. You said you have like a couple beers until you start eating.

[Big Cat]

And then you get. To me, everything, everything's giving. I do the same thing. I start, I have. As soon as the first game kicks off, I crack a beer and I'll have about five or six beers. And then we eat after the Lions game in my house, so it's around 3 o'. Clock. And then I eat some five or six beers deep. Have a nice buzz, eat, done drinking for the day because I just feel like the rest of the day because.

[Hank]

I eat so much, I. I switch from beer over to liquor during dinner and then I drink wine with dessert. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I just get heartburn if I switch off something else.

[Hank]

I do like five, five beers beforehand.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Then with dinner, I'm more of like a mixed drink whiskey guy. And then afterwards I'll have two of those drinks. And then afterwards maybe like two or three glasses of wine.

[Big Cat]

But you gotta have.

[Hank]

You go through all the phases of being drunk.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They don't drink anything. Did you get banged up?

[Hank]

No.

[Big Cat]

You just have a couple, though.

[Hank]

I had a couple, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you have a couple. I'm not saying I. I think it would also be. I mean, getting like blackout drunk and in a family function is a little weird, but you have to have a couple.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's not, it's. It's in moderation. All right, Hank Hoochier. Who's back? Who's back is. It's real college football and virtual college football Coach Dougs. Yeah.

[Hank]

Sell blue coffee.

[Big Cat]

Still blue coffee. So here's what I'm doing. I think we're. I think we've sold. I said on Sunday morning, if we do a thousand orders in the next day and a half, I will bring back Coach Dougs for the College Football Playoff. I will do the whole bracket. We'll pick the Wednesday before Thursday before we'll do. What'd you say we should play with the guy who gets those PS5 or Xbox. Oh, we could. Yeah, that's a good idea. Oh, now that's a good idea. So go to sellbluecoffee.com Golden Mug. We're giving away four PS5s for Xboxes. You have 20% off almost a lot of the coffee in the store. We have the new ready to drink cans. And I'll bring back Coach Doug's so go buy. You evolve Monday to do it. That's a good call. We'll find someone to. Someone who wins a golden mug. We'll play with them.

[Max]

I'll do the bear. The. I can watch a Bear Bears Eagles game. Oh, I feel bad saying no to that.

[Big Cat]

Maybe we'll put that on on the Doug stream.

[Max]

But you have to. You have to buy. Yes, you have to buy.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Max]

PMT stuff too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. So pmt. We have this.

[Max]

The hats.

[Big Cat]

This is just a full ad for our store.

[Max]

Those are coming back.

[Big Cat]

Those are coming back, buddy. We're ordering a lot of those, buddy.

[Hank]

They're back.

[Big Cat]

The amount of people who wanted that. I actually feel bad for the AWS. I'm sorry. We sold. We sold 500 Hank dolls in a minute and a half. It was that fast.

[Max]

We brought. I brought my dog to like, the doggy daycare for when I was away. Comes back into the apartment first time after like five days. Literally sprinted.

[Hank]

First thing toy. I had so many people over at my house Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and they all got to meet the Hank doll. And they all loved it. They were like, who is this man? He seems so nice. Dogs love him.

[Big Cat]

Him. I apologize to aws. We should have realized how much people love the Hank doll. We are getting a lot more in stock. We will have them ready. We don't want to have you buy them and then not get them for like a month. There's a way we're gonna wait. There's a wait list. Once we get them, we'll re release them. What a gift. So 20 off the entire. We have new, pardon my take hats.

[Hank]

I also blame Hank for the fact that we don't have enough Hank dolls. False.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because Hank, you guys were in the conversation. No, Hank, you've been telling the merch people this whole time, no one's going to buy them. We've been trying to counteract. I did not say that.

[Max]

You never said no one's going to buy them.

[Hank]

Not to the merch people. Do they listen to the show?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

Yeah. Wrong for sure.

[Max]

Listening right now. And she's going to text Bo. She's going to text you, yelling at you.

[Hank]

You're taking money out of her pockets right now, Hank.

[Big Cat]

That's on them. And you guys, that's a nice hat. I take no blame. This hat is great. If we buy enough on sale.

[Max]

If we buy. If you buy enough of those hats, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll watch that.

[Hank]

That game that's just fake, but I don't really good. Solid target if you buy enough of them.

[Big Cat]

What about real college football?

[Hank]

Just fun stuff.

[Big Cat]

Do you want to. Do you want to. Do you want to jump off to something?

[Hank]

Cal.

[Big Cat]

Cal game. Yeah.

[Hank]

How about telly? Huh?

[Big Cat]

Iron Bowl. Yeah. Lane Kiffin.

[Hank]

Arizona. Arizona State. Who won that cow game?

[Big Cat]

Name? Cal.

[Hank]

Against who? No.

[Big Cat]

Smu.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It was rivalry.

[Hank]

Rivalry.

[Big Cat]

I know Cali asked him. He was a rock. UCLA plays usc. Best. Best uniform matchup. Teams need to do the. The like colored uniforms against each other, not like one team in whites.

[Hank]

I. I do think it's funny though in rivalry week when you've got Cal against smu.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank]

ACC rivals.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

That's what. That's why we watched college football, baby. But yeah, it was a. A great weekend of college football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're going to talk about a lot of the. The college football rankings in the playoff, the big stories. Lane.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's pretty much the most. It's the most Lane Kiffin that Lane Kiffin has ever been. And that's saying something because this is a guy who. And listen, we've had him on the show. I would love to have him on again. So he has been fired on a tarmac. He was left Tennessee after a year. While everyone was really pissed at him. Al Davis did like a PowerPoint.

[Hank]

It was about him. It was not so much a PowerPoint really, as it was an overhead projector. Press conference. Yeah. Al Davis's face was falling off.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

And then he brought out the old school overhead that he had like little slides but printed up for that he would then put on there to project explaining the reasons why he was firing Lane Kiffin.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But yeah, he got fired from. Or. Or let go. Relieved of his duties from Alabama amid a championship in the middle of the playoffs. So this, this has happened a lot before. And this is the most link.

[Hank]

Lane Kiffin does not exit quietly.

[Big Cat]

No. So apparently I. I think what I understand from the whole situation, Lane Kiffin is essentially been the LSU coach for a week and a half, two weeks, maybe even longer. And the only reason he has not left to LSU is that he wanted to coach his team in the playoff, which they were going to be in the playoff. He wanted to coach them in the Egg bowl, which they won. And Ole Miss was basically saying, are you in or out? Are you in or out? And then finally after the Egg bowl, they had long meetings. Marty Smith, I think lives at Ole Miss now. He lives in Oxford. And Link, it was like, yeah, I'm out. And then said, who's coming with me? And said, everyone get on the plane. Who's coming with me? Took a couple guys. And everyone at Ole Miss is very upset at Lane Kiffin now, which rightfully so. People are mad.

[Hank]

And he was also apparently stringing Florida along a little bit. And then Florida said, credit to them. They said, we're out of the Lane Kiffin business because we've been dealing with irregular communication from Lane. I would like to know what that communication was like. Like, where they're like, this is just. This has gotten too weird. So we're out. Which is pretty much what they said.

[Big Cat]

We also.

[Hank]

Things. Things. I'm. I'm uncomfortable with the way that Lane Kiffin is communicating with me. I don't think he's serious. Therefore, I'm out. Lane Kiffin wanted to coach Ole Miss through the rest of the season. He could. And his statement after he left made that clear that he wanted to stay there. Some of his players wanted him to stay there. But then the athletic director and the president of. Of Ole Miss did not want him.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Hank]

And I don't blame the president of Ole Miss at all, at all for saying, I'm not going to have our rival coach hang out with our team, form a deeper bond with our team, and then take those players with him when he leaves our team, which he has already signed a contract to do.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Hank]

I don't if there. There's got to be a way that Lane Kiffin could have stuck around to coach that team that he cared so much about through the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah. He could have signed the extension he.

[Hank]

Could have signed with. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The other thing is, I. I think the only mistake that Ole Miss made is they should have just told him to leave before the Egg Bowl. They should have been like, get out. You're clearly gone. Just get out. You know what I mean? That was their only mistake. Like, just so that way you have, you know, Pete Golding, who seems like everyone's rallying behind, and they said there he's gonna be the permanent hire. Should have had him coach the Egg Bowl. They probably were nervous that they might lose the Egg bowl and then blow the playoff, which I get that. The whole thing is messy. The whole thing is very lame. That's the. That's the other part of this is like, Ole Miss fans have every right to be upset. I think Ole Miss AD did the right thing. And being like, no way are you going to coach this team in the playoffs. Like, that never should. That's crazy. Lane was Lane to the most Lane he's ever been. And you knew that when you took him. Him, and he got you to the playoff and had great success at Ole Miss. And this is where the whole ho. You can't turn a hoe into a housewife controversy happened, where a reporter down in Oxford said that and Ole Miss then. Or then Lane went up to him after the game, was like, you called me a hoe. Very funny. Very college football. There is some truth into it that this is. Lane does. I think I saw a quote that Lane is the only guy in the world who tries to burn a bridge while he's still standing on it.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I love it. I love it for college football because he's so interesting for college football.

[Hank]

This is. When you first hired Lane, you had thoughts in your head about what's the. What's the best way this could go correct. And then you had thoughts in your head of what. What's the worst way that this could end up? And this is probably the worst way. I'm struggling. I maybe. No, this is probably the worst way. Going to lsu. Yeah. In no world was he ever going to go to, like, Mississippi State.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

But I think Ole Miss knew that this probably wasn't the end of the line for Lane and that when he left, it was going to be messy. It was going to be ugly.

[Big Cat]

And it was ugly. It was messy. They left their. His clothes out.

[Hank]

It was. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

On the curb.

[Hank]

They took all the clothes that Lane left in his office, and they said, get your suits.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Out of. Out of our offices, Lane.

[Big Cat]

It's also all, like, college football fans and rumors and speculation. Who knows what's true and what's not. But they're just airing out dirty long. Oh, yeah. Like, the burner version is going crazy. They were just, like, spreading, you know.

[Hank]

Rumors and stories, scuttlebutt stuff that basically seemed like they were, you know, covering up.

[Big Cat]

And then all of a sudden, like, he's gone. Like, all right, here's all the. Here's all the dirty laundry.

[Hank]

Yeah. I don't know if you did that on purpose, Hank, but the, the choice of phrase putting out his dirty laundry is perfect.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Because he did.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Quite literally. Yeah. I, I, I, I don't know. I, I feel like this is a fair play on all sides, and I don't mean that, like, I, I feel bad for Ole Miss fans. I think Ole Miss fans have every right to be upset because you have a playoff team and he's leaving them. But again, you got in the Lane Kif Kiffin business. And the Lane Kiffin business has, has ended this way a lot of times.

[Hank]

Like, I don't know if there is a destination job for Lane Kiffin, like a place that he wants to just coach for the rest of his life. He's probably.

[Big Cat]

Makes it interesting.

[Hank]

Probably going to get sick of LSU at some point too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I like.

[Hank]

And, and the second the NFL calls.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

With a serious offer, if he feels like things aren't going so well down in Baton Rouge, he'll probably pick up that call.

[Big Cat]

And I like, I like how interesting he makes. He's a, he's a wild card. Yeah. And he's, he's out for Lane. And it's, it's fun to watch. And I obviously, if I were in the position of he were my coach, he was leaving like this, I'd be so pissed that I wouldn't think it's as fun to watch.

[Hank]

And if you're Ole Miss, you, you have that thought in the back of your head. You've been a second tier SEC program for a long time. Lane Kiffin elevated you up to a place where now you're able to compete for national championship. And then he treats you like you're a second tier program. Yeah. On his way out. And that probably pisses you off. And it should go in the whole thing, though.

[Big Cat]

What if they just go in the whole thing? They know they probably can't.

[Hank]

But they're in it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're in it.

[Hank]

They're in it. You could. It'd be fun.

[Big Cat]

But yeah. Pete Golding, I saw the. It felt like everyone rallied behind him. There was a lot of the, the defensive coaches didn't leave. So you have a lot of the same coaching staff. You know, go win the whole thing. And LSU is like, LSU is the perfect spot because LSU doesn't care. They just want to win football games.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like they're, they're watching all this stuff happen, watching all these stories, watching Lane leave and as messy as possible. And they're like, we don't care. We just want to win.

[Hank]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Lane wins.

[Hank]

He'll probably do that to us at some point. And guess what? If we get results, that's all that matters.

[Big Cat]

He's a good football coach.

[Hank]

I mean, the whole system of college football, the fact that it now is the time of year when you have coaches that are leaving that are in the middle of a playoff or the playoff discussion, they're currently slated to be in the playoffs. And you can look at Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin you can look at schools like North Texas, you look at schools like Tulane, they're losing their head coaches before the season's over, and that sucks. That's a bad spot for the sport to be in. I don't really know how you get out of that.

[Big Cat]

Well, the one way to get out of it, and this is. I, I'm not defending Lane in any way because he, he did handle this. Not great. I would say, to put it lightly, but the one thing that you could say in defense of a coach having to leave is that the schedule just makes no sense. The fact that the transfer portal and the, you know, early signing day all happens in the next couple of weeks. Why. Why just fucking wait till the. I, I know they have to do it on the semesters, but what the fuck is this? Big time college football. Stop pretending that it's by the semesters. Just figure out a way to have the season end and then the things happen so that all this doesn't happen every time.

[Hank]

And, but then what would stop a coach from just being like, I quit. No, of course like it. Of course, but at least shitty spot. But yeah, the schedule.

[Big Cat]

But if, if, if. So here's what I'm saying is that if the, if the transfer portal and everything happened after the playoffs, I would think that Lane Kiffin would be like, I'm coaching this team and I'm not gonna. Could I knock. If LSU wants me, they can talk to me after the playoffs are over. Yeah.

[Hank]

You could try to put a rule in place saying you can't negotiate with a coach that has a job until like a certain date. Jimmy Sexton, I get.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's flying for people.

[Hank]

I'm sure that they would, they would follow that rule.

[Big Cat]

Who's Penn State gonna get?

[Max]

I don't know. Somebody different. It was Kaylin DeBoer for a long. Yeah, for a while. And then they won that game.

[Big Cat]

It was Lincoln Riley for Hot.

[Max]

Riley for a little bit. Now looks like the byu.

[Big Cat]

Byu.

[Max]

Maybe Dable. There's another name.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Max]

Whatever there. It's probably gonna be Terry Smith almost Also Ruckers.

[Big Cat]

He had the Joa pin, though.

[Max]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Joe pin.

[Hank]

It just does. The calendar sucks. Yeah. This sucks. I, I know. I actually agree with you, Big cat. It's. That's what I was getting at earlier. It's like the way that it's set up right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

This is what's going to be normal. Yeah, this is going to happen, of course. And it sucks. And I don't really see A way out of it besides an ironclad change in the calendar.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Which I think is going to. That's going to be very hard to enforce.

[Big Cat]

Correct. But, yeah, the. The situation. I feel bad for Ole Miss. I mean, you still have a team in the playoff. Go win the playoff. And you just got laned. Like, this is. It's not. Nothing that Lane Kiffin did in the last week can be shocking. If you know anything about Lane Kiffin.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I mean that in, like, the best way, where it's. This is just how he operates, and it's. It's fun to watch, and he makes the sport more fun. He'll probably be good at lsu. He'll probably win games. He'll probably have some, you know, crazy message board, and it'll be. It'll be fun. Like, I'll. I'll tune in. Because the sport is fun when. When you have guys who have weird, quirky. You know, whatever Lane is.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

He's all.

[Hank]

He's a perfect guy for college football.

[Big Cat]

He's the perfect guy for college football. So I. I do stand with Ole Miss fans, though. You have every right to be pissed off, but again, you're. You're in the playoffs, so you gotta. I feel like you get, like, a couple more days to be mad, and then when the playoff bracket comes out, you got to get focused.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Get ready to go.

[Hank]

Yep. Lane Kiffin is the monorail salesman from the Simpsons. If. If the monorail salesman delivered results. You're gonna get some results from Lane Kiffin.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Who's your. Who's back?

[Hank]

It's also college football related. Just Duke football. Duke in the ACC championship game.

[Big Cat]

Duke.

[Hank]

Nobody thought Duke could make it. We talked about the Armageddon scenario, even going back, like, two weeks. And there was an Armageddon scenario that played out in the ACC where they had to go to all the different tiebreakers, and somehow Duke. Duke gets in. I know you said you were done with Duke.

[Big Cat]

I am.

[Hank]

They're not done with you.

[Big Cat]

They suck.

[Hank]

Duke's not done with you.

[Big Cat]

So now I want him to win.

[Hank]

It's gonna be Duke against UVA in the ACC championship. People are big mad. I saw. I think it was Nicole Arbok tweeted out. She doesn't care about the rules for the acc. The conference should step in and put Miami in the ACC title game. I understand what she's getting at.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

Because there's a. There's a chance that if Duke wins, they're not going to make the playoff. And then The ACC won't have a representative and that's bad for the conference. So I understand why she said, but if you put rules out there, if you, if you have a tie breaking system in place, you can't just forget about that. Yeah, we'd have chaos.

[Big Cat]

Well, the, the other, the, the problem here is this is all. And this is where college football is starting to, to, to lose the plot is. This is the problem of the supercondition conference where the, the super conference have. We have Duke in Miami, who I think, I think they had like two common opponents in, in their, in their conference. I mean, it's so stupid.

[Hank]

Yeah. And that was the time that they use and Duke, who is not a good football team, but they could be, they could end up being an all time great football team. Yeah, I'm, I'm in the brotherhood this week.

[Big Cat]

Can we just, can they. Can someone smart or just someone brotherhood.

[Hank]

Is Duke football, by the way. That is the brother.

[Big Cat]

Well, we're making. It's all the brotherhood get in the brotherhood.

[Hank]

Are you in the brotherhood? Of course. Do you have any Duke gear I can borrow?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't.

[Hank]

Give me all the Duke gear.

[Big Cat]

I don't know why someone hasn't just figured out like why can't we just have divisions in these mega conferences? The mega conferences are too big, make divisions.

[Hank]

Maybe they're not big enough.

[Big Cat]

But like what, like if the Big Ten has 18 teams, right? Get. Let's say we get two more teams, it's 20 teams. Make four divisions of five teams. You play everyone in your division. You play a couple other teams in the other division. The number one team in the division, there's a four team Big Ten playoff. And then you play in the Indianapolis. And then it's like if you're gonna just do the NFL, just do the NFL schedule.

[Hank]

You could have two mega conferences and then each of those mega conferences has four conferences.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, just do it. Because then you get at least some of the, the, the localized. You know what I mean? Like you have a division where It's Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC. You make the PAC 10, basically. Again, it's just so stupid.

[Hank]

If the NFL had this, this system put in place where you just had to debate and argue your team's way in.

[Big Cat]

It's crazy, man.

[Hank]

I actually think Texas. The Lions are Texas right now.

[Big Cat]

The Lions are Texas.

[Hank]

The Lions are Texas right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Texas. I mean Texas. And now we have. Yeah, just college coaches having to after a win be like, we should be in the playoff because of this, this and that and just forgetting to say. And we also lost a four win. Florida.

[Hank]

We lost to Florida. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The. The whole sport is just so crazy right now and it makes no sense whatsoever. And we're gonna have a lot of debates coming up because there's a lot of too long lost teams. Notre Dame and Miami, I think both should be in, but you have to have Miami and not, you know, over Notre Dame. I did. I did a. A little bit of a troll this morning because I was bored. I just did my top 12 teams for the College Football Playoff based on the metric of I. I have bad law or good losses are better than good wins. And people got very upset. So like I had BYU over Texas Tech, even though Texas Tech killed byu. BYU lost to Texas Tech. That's a really good loss. Texas Tech lost to Arizona State, who's not even. Right.

[Hank]

It's bad loss. Right. Strength of loss.

[Big Cat]

Strength of loss.

[Hank]

Sol.

[Big Cat]

Whereas like Notre Dame, losing to Miami actually was better for Notre Dame than Miami.

[Hank]

All right. Notre Dame losing to Miami and to.

[Big Cat]

A M. Two great losses.

[Hank]

They might be number one at Ole Miss.

[Big Cat]

I had ranked ahead of Georgia because Ole Miss lost to Georgia. Great loss. Georgia lost to Bama, who lost to Florida State. That's a bad loss.

[Hank]

Now I'm confused.

[Big Cat]

Georgia lost to Bama.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Bama has two losses and one of them is a bad loss.

[Hank]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

So that's a bad loss for Georgia.

[Hank]

That's to lose to a team that lost to Florida State.

[Big Cat]

Ole Miss lost to Georgia. Georgia's a good team. That's a good loss.

[Hank]

Now what about Ohio State and Indiana?

[Big Cat]

I almost put Oregon over Indiana because that's such a good loss for, for Oregon to lose to Indiana.

[Hank]

Indiana hasn't they. They ain't lost to nobody.

[Big Cat]

I was so close, but I thought that was maybe a little too far.

[Hank]

Well, you do learn more from losing than you do from wins.

[Big Cat]

It was basically to prove a point when people are like, well, Notre Dame and Miami like, the game shouldn't matter. It's like, yeah, the game should matter.

[Hank]

They should matter.

[Big Cat]

That's why you play the game.

[Hank]

You know what this is? I still think this better than a 14 playoff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because at the end of the day, if a team does not make the 12 team playoffs, you can just be like, you lost too many games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Whereas it seems every year, if it's a 14 playoff, you will have teams that have the same number of losses that are relatively comparable losses and relatively comparable wins. And you will just debate and there will be a Team that is probably deserving that does not get in this way. It's just like, you know what? Maybe Bama shouldn't have lost two games.

[Big Cat]

Also, none of this is me complaining because I think that. That having the ability to debate all this stuff in a time in the calendar when it's cold out and there's not a lot of sunlight and you're sitting around and maybe you're in like work parties or family parties where you don't want to be. This is what you should be doing is debating losses.

[Hank]

Yeah. And I actually think Michigan had the best loss.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So that was my. Who's back Is. Is Ryan Day Okay? Ryan Day got the monkey off his back.

[Hank]

I was going to go the other way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Michigan lost the battle, but they won the war.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Hank]

By not permitting Ohio State to plant a flag at midfield.

[Big Cat]

If you're a Michigan fan, you have to be completely embarrassed that that was actually said afterwards. Right. Like, not only did you get killed and like that was coming eventually. You're not going to win every single rivalry game. There was a moment in the first quarter I was like, is this going to happen again to Ryan Day? They. When Julian saying threw that pickup, I was like, oh, no, it's happening again. You're not going to win every rivalry game. But to come to afterwards be like, yeah, we were making sure that they couldn't do anything with the M. We're going to protect the M. That means that when there was. The game was still going on, Michigan players were talking on the sideline about protecting the logo.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's so pathetic.

[Hank]

Well, is it pathetic, big cat? Because the national anthem of the United States is a little ditty called the star spangled Banner. And it was written about the flag still standing after a hard fought battle in the War of 1812. A war in which we. Some would say we. We lost a lot of that war.

[Big Cat]

But it's not a flag. It's a logo. It's the logo which is meant to be.

[Hank]

Which flag is.

[Big Cat]

Which was run on all game.

[Hank]

That's a flat. What a flag is.

[Big Cat]

It was.

[Hank]

They defended their banner.

[Big Cat]

It was stepped on that all game.

[Hank]

That right there is something that I think Michigan should be proud of. The fact that after the game was over, they were tough. There were a bunch of tough guys.

[Big Cat]

After the game, they were tough.

[Hank]

There were a bunch of tough guys out there.

[Big Cat]

Credit's Ryan Day too. He. That was a smart move by him. He's like, we're winning with class. Yeah, that. That. That's gotta bother Michigan men.

[Hank]

We're not gonna make this about the M. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because Michigan men do think that they win with class tonight. Is Jackson back there? Jack, that was the most. Jack is a Michigan man. Jack, that was the most pathetic thing ever to say that they were. They were making sure no one touched the M. Would you agree?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That was stupid. Okay. All right.

[Hank]

The M still stands.

[Big Cat]

And also Ryan Day with the subtle troll of one of. One of the meanest declining of a penalty where there was a holding penalty on second and five and they gained. Michigan gained no yards. And he declined it and was like, no, we'll just go third and five instead of second and 15 because you're not going to get five yards. And they didn't.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Max]

That was just embarrassing.

[Big Cat]

That was such a Ryan. I'm happy for Ryan Day. And also shout out all the. All the. The crazy Ohio State fans. I saw one guy tweet. He's like, see what happens when you post a guy's address? He goes and wins the national championship and then beats Michigan.

[Hank]

I thought that after that 50 yard touchdown pass in the second half there, there was no chance that Michigan had to even come close to getting back in that game.

[Big Cat]

They had like four yards of offense.

[Hank]

Michigan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Most of their offense was on the first play of the game. I know after the first run of the game for Michigan, the Michigan fans probably felt pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then they had a guy that headbutted a ref. Didn't get K kicked out. I would like to know what, what, what reasoning the ref had for not throwing him out of the game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because apparently you can just do that.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[Hank]

It was crazy, but it was. It was two different levels of team playing. It was not close.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Proton Don on Twitter, I do not condone this, but it was a funny tweet. Just another example of what is possible by posting your head coach's address to Twitter. A bunch of people were crying about it, but look at us now. Not good. But college football is crazy. College football's crazy.

[Hank]

Credit to Ryan Day for not trying to do the thing where you just play Michigan football to beat Michigan football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Play Ohio State football. It's a pretty good brand of football.

[Big Cat]

And Julian saying is pretty damn good to throw that pick at the beginning and be like, that crowd was fucking crazy.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

And he just didn't blink. Okay. Zach finishes off. We'll talk a lot more. College football. I think we're have Brandon Walker on, on, on Wednesday. We're going to do college football rankings Going to talk about all this. I'm sure we'll have some more hirings, firings. Kentucky fired Mark Stoops. Michigan State hired Pat Fitzgerald. Alex Golish to Auburn. Everyone's mad about Arkansas's hire. Silverfield from Memphis.

[Hank]

Yeah. Summerall to Florida.

[Big Cat]

Miny tried his hardest to get Summerall to go to Ole Miss. Couldn't get it done.

[Hank]

No, they. That's not on the phone.

[Big Cat]

It is on Miny. He didn't do. He could have done more.

[Hank]

It's not over yet.

[Big Cat]

He couldn't have done more. Okay. Zach, my who's back of the week is also college football adjacent more so. College mascot football adjacent even more so. Same game. Brutus with the all time Selly in the snow. Yes. That was awesome. That was fantastic. Where was Michigan defending this? He xed out the M. He did.

[Hank]

That's. That's pretty bad.

[Big Cat]

That's really bad.

[Hank]

That's not the M. But still, that's amazing. Big M. It's a big game. I'm having a hard time defending that. Yeah, you should have. Somebody should have gone out there and speared Brutus when he was standing on the M. Yeah. Where was Big Nut? Was he there? Does Big Nut go to away games?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he does. He's always.

[Max]

You just wanted me to search Big Nut on Twitter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Can you look a Big Nut?

[Big Cat]

Jack, I have one last question for you. Jack, There is a. There's. There's. There's a theory that basically what Michigan did last year created a monster. Would you trade last if Ohio State goes and wins the national championship this year? Are you like, we, we probably up with the whole flag thing and, and, and how everything went down because Ryan Day has not lost a game since. Yeah, I think that was stupid. Yeah. So it's. Is. Are you a little worried that maybe like, what if Ohio State never loses a game ever again? Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, I, I agree that would suck. But that. That's on the table right now.

[Hank]

We'll see how many years, like 10.

[Big Cat]

Years of never losing.

[Hank]

So, Jack, is it like in the last 10 years, what's your record against Ohio State?

[Big Cat]

Four and six. Well, Covid. Four and five. Yes.

[Hank]

Is that. Is that right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

Okay. But so you can say like last five years, obviously you've dominated the rivalry.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

As a whole last 10 years. No Ohio State last 20 years. No Ohio State last 30 years. Ohio.

[Big Cat]

Michigan had some 90s. I feel like they were.

[Hank]

How far back do you have to go where. Where it flips again and you're like in the last 50 years, who's on top of that rivalry?

[Big Cat]

90S. Michigan dominated, I think 80s. It was like split. Yeah.

[Hank]

But even at that point, they still own the all time record against you. Even if you go Back to like 1990. 1990 until now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think so.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, Michigan has the all time.

[Hank]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying how far back do you have to go to get to that point again after five years?

[Max]

Probably like the.

[Big Cat]

The 40s. No, no, if you go back to like seven, like mid 70s, you guys dominated in the. In the 90s and a lot of the 80s. So I bet you you would.

[Hank]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

You would. You would be able to just say, like, yeah, basically 1975 on. Obviously did have a nice run there. Yeah. There's a lot of blue in there. I mean, it's great. Rivalry weekend's the best. I would. I would imagine. Yeah. Like 1975, 1976. And then you guys. You guys won a lot when you're playing, like the ymca. Yeah, we did. We've done that before. But Michigan will be back, right. If they fire the head coach. Yeah.

[Hank]

You know what? Credit to Michigan for scheduling Ohio State.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Hank]

Michigan should still be in the conversation to get into the playoff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you're right.

[Hank]

Like, what if you guys have played Rice today instead of Mission Michigan?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's a good point.

[Hank]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

You could have easily played Charlotte this weekend during rivalry week.

[Hank]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

But you decided not to. You played Ohio.

[Hank]

So credit to Michigan.

[Big Cat]

He nut it up. Biff Poggy might have won that game. Yeah, he actually was the Michigan looked better when he was the head coach. Yes. Okay. Good show, boys. Good to be back. He's. He's just like, chomping. Get the bit. I'm not going to do it. If you're going to do this. If you're going to be like your. Your face all the way up in front of it. I'm not going to say it. I'm never going to say it. I'm not going to say numbers three.

[Hank]

I think I got you.

[Big Cat]

Pft. I think it was. Pft.

[Hank]

Do you want number three memes?

[Big Cat]

I would like it.

[Hank]

You would?

[Big Cat]

I would like it, please.

[Hank]

All right, Memes. I'd like. I'd like to give you number three.

[Big Cat]

Thank you. Memes. I brought my kids here over Thanksgiving. Did they get the lottery bowl? No, but I was thinking, like, how mad you'd be if I hit it and it went three. Oh, I was hoping it didn't, because it's never gonna happen.

[Hank]

I'll go 15.

[Big Cat]

22.

[Hank]

Memes. I hope you get it on three. I hope I do, too.

[Big Cat]

19.

[Max]

27.

[Big Cat]

144, eight. 97. Is that it? Memes.

[Hank]

You want to do another one?

[Big Cat]

You want one more? You want one more? Yeah. All right, let's do one more.

[Max]

Same number. Same number.

[Big Cat]

27.

[Hank]

22.

[Max]

100.

[Big Cat]

25. 25 miles.

[Hank]

Garrett. Love you guys. Oh, if you did the.

[Max]

Oh, you should have done the Zach method.

[Hank]

What's his act?

[Big Cat]

Method?

[Hank]

Oh, yeah, he just.

[Max]

He just picks numbers that he sees in front of him.

[Big Cat]

What now, Sam? It.