NFL Week 15, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bills Huge Comeback, Chiefs Eliminated, Mahomes And Micah Parsons Injuries + Who's Back Of The Week

Summary

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Pardon My Take — NFL Week 15 Recap

Episode Date: December 15, 2025
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Big Cat and PFT Commenter break down the wildness that was NFL Week 15. The hosts dig into enormous comebacks, seismic upsets, catastrophic injuries, and what these developments mean for the NFL playoff picture. This episode also covers the Kansas City Chiefs’ shock elimination, the Buffalo Bills’ historic comeback, the growing MVP debates, and a very heated, hilarious look at fan pain, gambling frustrations, and divisional beefs.

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Fastest Two Minutes: Week 15 Recap

Timestamps: 02:50 – 10:22

• Game-by-Game Recap:
  • Bears 31, Browns 3: Caleb Williams (Bears) shines; DJ Moore has two TDs; Browns’ Shador Sanders throws three picks.
  • Chargers 16, Chiefs 13: Patrick Mahomes exits with a torn ACL; Chiefs eliminated from playoffs for the first time since 2014.
  • Patriots 31, Bills 35: Wild comeback. Patriots led 21–0 at the half; Josh Allen orchestrates five straight touchdown drives.
  • Ravens 24, Bengals 0: Complete shutout; Bengals offense implodes.
  • Rams 41, Lions 34: Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua dismantle Detroit; Rams clinch playoff spot.
  • Jaguars 48, Jets 20: Trevor Lawrence accounts for six total TDs; Jets defense unravels.
  • Eagles 31, Raiders 0: Total domination; Raiders are barely an NFL team.
  • Seahawks 15, Colts 13: Myers' six FG bombs win it for Seattle; Phil Rivers returns but looks his age.
  • Commanders 29, Giants 21: Mariota efficient, offense rebounds.

Memorable Line:
"They were up 21–0 at home… home teams that were up 21–0 were 61–0 until today."
—Big Cat on the Patriots collapse to the Bills (12:28)

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bills Historic Comeback Over Patriots

Timestamps: 11:30 – 31:10

• Patriots led 21-0 at home; Josh Allen orchestrated an epic second-half comeback with 5 straight touchdowns.

• Debate over whether officiating played a role; Patriots fans and Barstool’s Nicholas Fasoli furious about officiating.

• “If you wanna blame the refs, there’s a way to do it…”
  —Big Cat, setting up PFT’s complaints about questionable pass interference calls (15:04)

• Drake May’s development: "Hopefully it’s a good loss… something to build on."
  —PFT Commenter (15:04)

• Division & MVP Stakes:

  • Patriots drop their first game in 11 after a bye; the AFC East race is now tight.
  • “If you take Josh Allen off the Bills and replace him with any other QB, they're a bad team.”
    —Big Cat (30:55)

• Fan Dynamics:

  • Running thread about the pain of losing and the ritual of grief, trolling, and whispered taunts among the crew.

2. Kansas City Chiefs Eliminated, Mahomes’ Season-Ending Injury

Timestamps: 32:02 – 44:07

• Chiefs are eliminated from playoffs for first time since 2014; Mahomes tears ACL, faces surgery.

• Massive end of an era: 7 straight AFC title games, 5 Super Bowls, 3 wins.

• “This is the first playoff since 1998 without Brady, Manning, or Mahomes.”
  —Big Cat (40:55)

• Chiefs haters get no satisfaction due to Mahomes’ injury—“It just doesn’t feel right to celebrate.”

• Chargers praised as the NFL’s “number one ball team”:
  "There’s a difference between a great team and a ball team; Chargers are a ball team."
  —Dan (38:11)

3. Ravens Shut Out Bengals, Bengals' Dysfunction Intensifies

Timestamps: 45:55 – 50:41

• Bengals meltdown: Burrow’s worst start-to-finish shutout, questions about Zach Taylor's future.

• Joe Burrow’s candid quote:
  "No team would have won with me as their quarterback today."
  —Joe Burrow (referenced by Big Cat, 46:28)

• Florio and fans rage about unshoveled snow in the stadium crowd.

4. Destiny Shifts in NFC: Bears, Rams, Seahawks

Timestamps: 51:11 – 67:19

• Bears’ complete game:

  • Caleb Williams shines in cold weather; defense stifles Shador Sanders and Browns.
  • “If you want to be a good team, you’ve got to beat the shit out of bad teams... and that’s exactly what the Bears did.”
    —Big Cat (54:28)

• Rams surge to NFC's top seed:

  • Stafford & Puka Nakua lethal combo; defense tightens in 2nd half.
  • "Rams control their own destiny for the 1-seed now."
    —Big Cat (93:34)

• Seahawks clutch out a win:

  • Philip Rivers returns for Colts: "He put his whole ass into every throw."
    —Dan (97:23)

5. Raiders are the NFL’s Worst Team

Timestamps: 60:16 – 67:20

• Eagles dominate, but Max refuses to get excited:
  "It's the fucking Raiders. I'm not going to think everything is fixed."
  —Max (63:57)

• Stat-of-the-day: Raiders manage 75 total yards in a full game.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Chiefs run ending:
  “The NFL is way more fun when Mahomes is playing. It kind of took the joy out of it for all the Chiefs haters.”
  —Big Cat (34:01)

• On fans turning on each other:
  “You would have rather us touched you? I did not touch Max.”
  —Big Cat & PFT, riffing on how to act in gambling pain (20:44)

• Ball Team Discourse:
  "Chargers have got to be the number one ball team. There’s a difference between a great football team and a ball team. They just fight for everything."
  —Big Cat (38:36)

• On Raiders ineptitude:
  "Today’s Raiders are the worst. The Raiders had 75 yards. That’s so hard to do."
  —Big Cat (60:56)

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Major Injury & Playoff Updates

• Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs) tears ACL, eliminated from playoffs.

  • “He is— which sucks a lot.” —Big Cat (32:17)
  • Changing AFC landscape: No Mahomes or Chiefs; first time since '98 w/o Brady/Peyton/Mahomes in playoffs.

• Micah Parsons (Packers): Fears of a serious knee injury, shifts NFC power.

• Christian Watson (Packers): Sent to hospital during rough loss.

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MVP, Coach of the Year, and Awards Talk

• MVP Discussion:

  • Josh Allen’s odds surge after comeback; Stafford remains betting favorite.
  • “He’s -300 right now on DraftKings… Josh Allen’s at +550.”
    —Big Cat & PFT (23:56–24:07)

• COY Discussion:

  • Candidates: Liam Coen (Jaguars), Ben Johnson (Bears), Vrabel (Patriots), Shanahan (49ers); “It’s always the new guy who overperforms.”
    —Big Cat (92:10)

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Power Rankings & Playoff Picture (as of Week 15)

• AFC:

  • Jaguars lead AFC South
  • Broncos sit at the 1-seed
  • Patriots/Bills fighting for East, with tiebreakers still in play
  • Chiefs: Eliminated
  • Bengals: Eliminated

• NFC:

  • Rams control own destiny for #1 seed
  • Seahawks, Niners, Lions, Bears all jostling for wild card spots
  • "Someone good in the NFC is going to miss the playoffs."
    —Big Cat (91:03)

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Who’s Back of the Week (Highlight)

• JOHN CENA – "Retires" after last WWE match, but skepticism reigns: “He’ll be back within a calendar year.”
  —PFT (132:45)
• THE HEISMAN TROPHY – Mendoza (Indiana) wins; the pod recaps a wild college football season and transfer portal fallout.
• NBA in-season Tourney (“NBA Cup”) – Wemby and the Spurs stun OKC.

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Listener's Guide – Key Segments & Timestamps

• Fastest 2 Minutes (game-by-game): 02:50–10:22
• Bills-Patriots comeback fallout: 11:30–31:10
• Chiefs eliminated, Mahomes injury: 32:02–44:07
• Bengals shutout, AFC playoff drama: 45:55–50:41
• Full reactions to Rams, Bears, NFC swings: 51:11–67:19
• Who’s Back of the Week: 132:44–143:44

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Tone and Energy

The hosts are as lively, humorous, and pointed as ever—plenty of sarcasm, pain, and catharsis. Their natural chemistry shines brightest when riffing about their own teams’ fortunes and how football pain forges (or breaks) bonds among friends.

Themes: Fandom pain, schadenfreude, sports chaos, betting woes, MVP narratives, and playoff hope/despair.

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Summary

NFL Week 15 delivered true chaos, upsets, and major injuries that will reverberate through the postseason. Pardon My Take brings their trademark blend of sharp analysis, ridiculous humor, and authentic (if rowdy) sports fandom to every game and major story. If you missed Week 15, this episode is the loud, honest, and eminently re-listenable guide you need.

Memorable Episode Moment:
"He put his whole ass into every throw." — Dan, on 44-year-old Philip Rivers returning to start at QB for the Colts, encapsulating both the absurdity and joy of this NFL season. (97:23)

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Transcript

[Big Cat]

Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Golf season is in full swing and getting out there to work on your game is bound to make any day even better. And if you're looking to improve your drive, Chevy Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make. Bold athletic styling, a commanding presence, award winning tech, an impressive range, all with an affordable msrp. Chevy Equinox EV will put a smile on your face no matter how your scorecard shakes out. On today's Pardon My take presented by DraftKings Week 15 in the NFL we had a crazy, crazy Sunday. A lot of pretty catastrophic injuries, some big time games. The playoff picture is getting a little bit clearer. We have some eliminated teams. The Bengals in the playoffs we won't. But it was a crazy, crazy Sunday. We're going to talk about all that we got. Who's back of the week. We have fastest two minutes and it's all brought to you by our friends at game time. We're almost at the end of the 12 days of game time where they're giving away prizes every day with a $5,000 grand prize at the end. If you still have not entered, go to 12daysofgametime.com it is free and only takes a few seconds. This season. Game time is celebrating the moments that made people fans and and they've been enabling those moments for the past 12 years. Hank, give me a concert that made you a fan of someone.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's go with Billy Strings.

[Big Cat]

Yes. You've gone to a lot of Billy Strings shows and game time can get you into all of those shows. That's what they're doing, these type of moments. Game time is celebrating. Go to 12days of gametime.com today for a chance to experience one of these moments. Okay, let's go. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, December 15th, week 15. They're not gonna get him. We start in Chicago where the wind was blowing and the iceman cometh as Caleb Pharrell Williams made the Bears faithful happy as he hit dj.

[Max]

More.

[Dan]

More, more.

[Big Cat]

How do you like it? How do you like it? For two touchdowns and the route was on as DeAndre 3000 Swift said the Browns defense smells like poo poo poo. Running for 98 yards and two scores himself. As for the Browns shoulder, Sanders went oopsie not once, not twice, but three times as he was legend spoiled dairy as the milk has gotten rotten for the Cleveland offense. The one bright spot was making my way to the quarterback walking fast lineman pass and I got a sack cause you know I'd walk a thousand miles Garrett if I could see you tonight. I butchered that but thanks to Vanessa Carlton for allowing me to use her hit song and I want you and I need you. Bears 31, Browns 3 We go to.

[Dan]

Kansas City where the Chiefs look to continue their 11 year streak of everyone hating them by making the playoffs. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomeo and Jew Juliet Smith Schuster seem to be a forbidden connection by the Chargers defense. Keandre had a little lamb, Burt flees the Chiefs for a touchdown and Dayen Mese Deyon Hindley Dunn Daylight come in, I pick off my homes and a really big pick tickling Andy Reid's tonsils and for the first time in the history of pardon my take, the Kansas City Chiefs have been eliminated from making the NFL playoffs. Huh huh huh the Chargers 16, the Chiefs 13.

[Big Cat]

We head to Foxborough where Hank was on the scene in snowy Foxborough.

[PFT Commenter]

The game started hot for New England, started off hot for New England when.

[Big Cat]

Drake Drake Drake may skipper it in.

[PFT Commenter]

For two first quarter touchdowns. Trayvon Ricky Henderson was flying bass pill.

[Dan]

Defense flying past Bills defenders on a.

[PFT Commenter]

52 yard rushing TD to put the Pats up 21 nothing in the second half the Patriots couldn't stop a nosebleed. The Bills did whatever the they wanted. The refs had their heads up their asses in the past game on four.

[Big Cat]

Straight touchdown drives and the division title.

[Dan]

Was still uncle clinched.

[Big Cat]

Bill's 35 pass 31. Thanks Hank. We head over to Cincinnati where Zach was on the scene in Cincinnati. Lamar Jackson 5 throws a pass as easy as 1, 2, 3 to Rashad Muhammad Ali who floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee for a 30 yard TD. Later Lamar Jackson 5 then passes deep to Zebe Zebe Zebe Zebe I'm in the club hollering now when I holler.

[Dan]

Zaybet BAE I'm finna get my groove.

[Big Cat]

On it's so hot up in this club that I ain't got no shoes on Holdin up a big stack of them hunds It's a rubber band girl don't ask me for no cash cause I'm not that other man flowers for 28 yards and a touchdown. Tyler Fruit of the loop keeps things high and tight, giving missiles for the entire game. The package is safe, the package is protected and the package is right through the uprights to seal the deal. Joe Buddenborough throws an interception harder to.

[Dan]

Look at than that one evening he.

[Big Cat]

Popped out onto the red carpet in a rocket Steam Foot Skeetball jersey Kyle Busch Van Noy then takes a bunch of right turns before lateraling to Oliveira.

[Dan]

Plant Gilman, who brings all 12 essential vitamins and 20 important minerals with him.

[Big Cat]

To the house for six points. Ravens 24, Bengals 0 thanks Zach. You got flow, you got flow.

[Dan]

What?

[Big Cat]

Out in LA where Kyren and Stimpy Williams said, you idiot, you fool. To the Lions defense for trying to keep him out of the end zone, the Rams offense was humming as Puka Nakuna Matata said, ain't no worries for the rest of your days to his quarterback as Mufasa Stafford just had to throw it up to his wide receiver and good things happened, showing the Lions who the real king was on Sunday. The good news for Detroit is they're not Grateful Dead yet and Amon Ross Saint Brown Eyed Woman looks as good as ever, scoring twice on the afternoon, but it's the Rams clinching a playoff spot. The Rams 41, Lions 34 we head now I forget where the game was played. It was in Jacksonville for memes in.

[Memes]

Jacksonville, Liam Cohen Wilson said, wow, the jets aren't going to play any defense today as Trevor Lawrence Taylor was on drugs looking for some Breton Strange while having six total touchdowns. Jacoby Mike Myers found a mole in the jets defense that had Travis Barker at the end treating the jets like a Kardashian while blowing their back out with three touchdowns. And Brian Tom Hanks said, life is.

[Dan]

Like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to.

[Max]

Get today.

[Memes]

As he gets his second receiving touchdown of the season. Brady was cooking on his second drive of the game, but stayed in the kitchen too long throwing three interceptions while if peeing your pants is cool, consider me Isaiah Miles Davis who stopped the Jaguars onslaught of scoring with a rushing touchdown for the jets defense. Steve Wilkes Booth should have assassinated himself after letting The Jaguars score 48 points.

[Big Cat]

Jaguars 48, Jets 20 thanks thanks memes. What was that that Liam Cohen Wilson said, wow. All right, we get to Max in Philadelphia.

[Max]

We had we head over to Philadelphia where Bruce Jalen hurt spoke to Goddard by saying, smite me Almighty smiter. You're the one who should be fired, not me. After dropping an early touchdown right in his hands. But then Goddard went off so that's all good.

[Big Cat]

On the other side of the ball.

[Max]

It looks like, oh my God, we killed Kenny's career. After an abysmal performance, it's even affecting Bruce Powers as his stat lines are looking ghostly while screaming no fuck when seeing his quarterback week in and week out. Max Dilente Crosby certainly can't crack a smile as he's fighting with his teammates on the sideline. We even got to see Tanner McKeke. Do you love me? I'll be driving say you'll never ever leave from beside me Cause I want.

[Dan]

You and I need you and I'm.

[Max]

Down for you Put together a fantastic drive to show that he may be.

[Big Cat]

The league's best backup.

[Max]

Eagles 31, Raiders 0 Next Facts we.

[Dan]

Go out to Seattle where only one of these two cornerbacks was looking Darnold. He wasn't seeing ghosts, he was seeing grandpa's folks. Josh Blackhawk Downs evacuated himself into the end zone in the face of the Sam Olean Warlords and Jonathan Taylor Hicks was on hole patrol impressing the Seattle Seacrest's defense. The Colts took a late lead on the shores of Blake Washington groupie's 60 yard bomb, but Seattle placekicker Jason Myers Leonard had several heating gaming moments of his own, blasting 6K balls and giving the Seahawks the win. 15 13.

[Big Cat]

Standing on a corner Jameis Winston in Hoboken. Such a fine sight to see.

[Dan]

It's a dart my lord, just missing the board and Mario Ty pronounced with.

[Big Cat]

Hard t. Come on mayor us.

[Dan]

Can you please spare us from our own GM? He makes us real embarrass.

[Big Cat]

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[Dan]

That's. That's the 9 difference.

[Big Cat]

That's the 9 difference. Crazy week 15. A lot of crazy games. A lot of really like devastating Injuries that we'll get to. But let's go. Let's. Let's go through the slate.

[Dan]

A lot of comebacks today.

[Big Cat]

A lot of comebacks. Let's start with Bills 35, Patriots 31. What a comeback for the Bills. They were down 21 nothing in this game. Josh Allen and the Bills look like they were sleepwalking. And then they score before half and they come out and Josh Allen had five straight touchdown drives, did whatever he wanted. James Cook was an absolute beast. And the Patriots lose for the first time in 10 games. 11 games. I guess this was their 11th game.

[Dan]

Yeah, it was a great streak. It was also, I believe, Mike Vrabel's first loss off a buy ever as a head coach. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When he was with the Titans, I believe he was perfect. And this obviously his first year with the Patriots. And yeah, they. They looked like they were in control of the game at halftime. Bill's got some bad news going to the game. Brentford was out with a toe.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Dan]

So they couldn't have their best cornerback. And Drake May looked electric in the first half. He did with his feet and with his arm.

[Big Cat]

Two rushing touchdowns right out the gate. And it was also the first time. So since 2017, teams. Home teams that were up 21 nothing, were 61 zero going into today.

[Dan]

And.

[Big Cat]

And now this was a T shirt and hat game for the Patriots and is now they still have a inside track on winning the AFC East. They would have to lose to one of the AFC east teams, which is jets and Dolphins, which. They shouldn't struggle.

[Dan]

Probably not.

[Big Cat]

Probably not. And the Bills would have to win out for the Bills to jump them.

[Dan]

But, Hank, the hats were in the building.

[Big Cat]

The hats were in the building. Yes.

[Dan]

Your thoughts?

[Big Cat]

Would you like to talk?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Or not talk.

[PFT Commenter]

No. I mean, I. I have no problem talking. It was. It was a tough second half.

[Big Cat]

It's been a while since you had to do this.

[PFT Commenter]

It has been a while since I've had to do this. It was. It was a very tough second half. It was. Felt like, you know, the first half division was ours. We're the one seed.

[Big Cat]

Was.

[PFT Commenter]

Was. We were coming for the one seed. The. The Broncos are gonna have a tough game later in the day. Everything was going great. Drake was. Was running it everywhere.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This was. I'm talking about.

[Memes]

Okay. In the moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Dan]

Sorry. He said in. First half. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

First half.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But.

[PFT Commenter]

But then Josh Allen. I mean, that's. That's. Every time we talk about the. Who are you worried about? And even when the Bills were, you know, not playing well. It's. Josh Allen was always the top of the list because of that reason. He has experience. He doesn't get phased in in situations where they're down. Know I think they have the, the most comeback or whatever second half points in the league. Patriots defense couldn't stop anyone. Refs were nowhere to be found. Making some crazy calls. Not going to blame it on the refs.

[Big Cat]

The Patriots, they should be mentioned.

[PFT Commenter]

The Patriots D. Couldn't stop anyone.

[Dan]

And prosecuted.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Should be mentioned and, and put in jail.

[PFT Commenter]

And again, Drake May is a. Drake May is his second year. It's his, his first time playing in these meaningful games. He, you know, didn't play great in the fourth quarter. Is this how I would say he kind of missed some throws, took some, some interesting shots. You know, on there's a third down where he threw it deep when he had a guy coming across the middle. It was hopefully a good loss. You know, hopefully it's, it's a, it's a. They were in it. Like I said before the, before the game last week, if they lose and it's close, that's something that can be built upon. Stefon Diggs said that after the game, said it was, it was good loss. Good loss and they have a chance next week to basically be in another playoff game like with the Ravens. With the Ravens, Sunday Night Football. So hopefully they bounce back. Yes, it was, it was, it was bad.

[Big Cat]

It would. If you were to blame the refs, how would you do it? But you're not going to. But how would you do the past.

[PFT Commenter]

Interference call on third down?

[Big Cat]

It was a weird call.

[PFT Commenter]

It was weird call. It was late call. The play was over. Then the flag came out of nowhere. That always drives me nuts. And then on the fourth down, there was like three Patriots receivers getting held. No flags to be found. So that's. I'm not blaming the ref because the Patriots, you couldn't stop anyone. But if I was, it would be for that reason.

[Big Cat]

There was someone who we work with who did blame the refs. Can I read you what he wrote?

[Dan]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

He said the Patriots are by far the better team. These loser fucks were never going to let the Patriots beat the poster boy of the NFL two times. The NSFL should be fucking embarrassed with what millions of eyes. Watch today from the referee squad. This game is so corrupt.

[PFT Commenter]

So that stats, our stats department?

[Big Cat]

No, that was from one Nicholas Fasoli.

[Dan]

And then he also posted this picture. I don't know if you saw it. It looks Real. It looks like Josh Allen kissing the referee on the lips.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. No, that does look real.

[Dan]

I think that happened in the game which I, if I, if I'm watching at home and I see that as a Pats fan, I'm like, come on, at least try to make it look like you guys are calling it neutral.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Go in the blue 10 if you're going to make out.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I, I actually thought that Drake May played really well in the. People are saying like the interception, that was a great punt. It was essentially an arm punt that play.

[PFT Commenter]

But they didn't call. Also the interception.

[Big Cat]

The, the.

[PFT Commenter]

They called passer interference on a ball that the Patriots deep intercepted and somehow they ruled it a catch for the Bills and it was no pass. That was insane.

[Dan]

They're de. I like that. I'm gonna start using that. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that this was a, it was a great opportunity for Drake May to get his first come from behind game winning drive in his career. And I thought he was going to do it and I guess if he's going to learn from it, I feel like it's, it's good that it happened now. Right. As opposed to happening in the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Dan]

Right after the game Josh Allen said what you know, they asked him like what does this team have? What makes his team special? He said we don't blink. So variable is no naps. The Bills are. No blinks even.

[Big Cat]

Listen, the Bills, I mean we all know what their offense can do. Their offense can get going at any point. Shout out Dawson Knox who had two touchdowns. Also a father this week. And Josh is going to be a father expectant father. Congratulations. Congrats Josh friend Josh. The Bills defense is their Achilles heel. But if you look at what the Bills have done in some of these like big time games last week they couldn't get a stop. They get the back to back interceptions. One being a pick six against the Bengals. Remember the Steelers game when they looked absolutely dead in the first half and then Bosa gets the sack on Rogers. Fumble. Touchdown. They had the two clutch game saving stops in this game. I think the Bucks game they had, they closed it out with two turnovers. So their defense is like one of those situations where yes there's, they can be had but they have also stepped up in big time moments to make big time plays and win games because their offense is not the problem.

[Dan]

Right. Their defenses. But it's almost like their offense gets better when they play from behind.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When their backs up against the wall.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean 21, nothing. And it was like, okay, well, if they score before half, it's going to be a game. And that's exactly what it was.

[Dan]

That is the largest comeback win by visiting team in the history of Gillette Stadium. That doesn't happen at the G spot.

[Big Cat]

Doesn't happen at the G spot.

[Dan]

You shut them out. I want to read a tweet from an unnamed Pats fan. Run it up. Followed by six exclamation points. Give me the one seed. Followed by two exclamation points.

[Big Cat]

Who was that?

[Dan]

Who was that? I'll get. I'll do another blind tweet from this person. Big Cat and PFT are being.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you guys were just whispering behind my back the entire day. I wasn't one of you.

[Big Cat]

Hold on. No, no, no. The only whispering I did was because I opened up.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, Max, want to look at this thing? I say this out loud, but, like.

[Big Cat]

I wish I could. I opened up. No, that was something totally different that I'm not going to say out loud. That's totally different. Then I said. You heard me say it.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

The take I did out there.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Yes, you did. Now you're lying. Now you're lying. Now you're lying because you know that. You know what my take was, and it was nothing to do with it. It was. It was about college football. Yeah.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Saying what I heard, I pulled up Twitter @, like, 4:00', clock, and the top tweet was the run it up tweet. Because you know how it's not in, like, sequential order? And that's what I said to them. That was.

[Dan]

It. Hank, I don't think that we were being though. I think we were watching the game. I. I had money on it. I took the Hungry.

[PFT Commenter]

Dog.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. I was rooting for the Pats. Anyone can watch that stream and be like, damn, who's the Pats fan here? It's.

[Big Cat]

Pft. He had the Hungry.

[Dan]

Dog. I had the Hungry Dog. I. I had Drake for 300 plus today as well. I mean, I was rooting.

[Big Cat]

For. It wasn't like, this season's over. This is. It's a.

[PFT Commenter]

Loss. I never said it.

[Dan]

Was. Yeah, it's a great loss. Yeah, you said.

[Big Cat]

It. I just think you weren't used to losing.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Dan]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And to. To blow a lead like that. It. It was tough. The defense was.

[Big Cat]

Just.

[Max]

What? Max, I.

[Dan]

Got. No, no.

[Big Cat]

Max. Max, you got something. You were about to say.

[Dan]

Something. Why you grinning.

[Big Cat]

Max? You look like the Grinch.

[Dan]

Back. Max, share with the.

[Max]

Class. It's just interesting that this is the exact same thing that happened in the Bron. In the Broncos Eagles game where I got mad for Hank screaming Doddington Bones in my.

[Big Cat]

Ear. Oh, I was.

[Max]

Rooting. I had the Bills.

[Big Cat]

Too. Good.

[Max]

Point. I had Bill's money.

[Big Cat]

Line. He did. He.

[PFT Commenter]

Bet. But you weren't. You were just. I weren't saying anything to my face. You were snickering behind my.

[Max]

Back. That's way.

[Big Cat]

Worse. That.

[PFT Commenter]

Is. That is just.

[Max]

Show. That is showing that. That is showing respect to someone who's actually in the moment of beginning.

[Big Cat]

Someone and saying do.

[Dan]

Someone. That's. That's in the arena. You were in the arena at the moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank. Yeah.

[Dan]

Matt. You.

[Big Cat]

Guys. You would have rather us touched.

[Max]

You. You would have rather me touched.

[PFT Commenter]

You. I did not touch.

[Big Cat]

Max. I. Max Allen hit me in.

[PFT Commenter]

The dick phone across the room and screamed in my face. I wouldn't have cared if he was rooting for the Bills. I don't give.

[Big Cat]

A. But you were.

[Max]

Mad. You were mad at. At the.

[PFT Commenter]

Whispering. You guys were acting like. I wasn't sitting there like, oh, my.

[Big Cat]

God. It was trying.

[PFT Commenter]

To. Doing it all.

[Dan]

Game. I was not doing it all game. I was rooting for the.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots. I'm allowed to tweet whatever the. Whatever I want. You guys are being. That's my.

[Dan]

Opinion. You're lashing out. That's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're. You're entitled and you're trying to. Trying.

[Big Cat]

To. No, that's fair. I have no problem. I'm correct calling us. I. We probably were probably are. We all are. We're all dickheads. Yeah. Did you see Mike Vrabel's quote after the game was basically draft josh allen.com. they asked him about Josh Allen and how he was able to come back in that game. He said, same thing Everybody else sees. 6, 5, 250 pounds, runs fast, hard to tackle, hard to get down on the ground, accurate strong arm. Giving you a dissertation on league mvp. Just watch all the games. That's why they pay him 60 million. I don't know what to tell.

[Dan]

You. A dissertation on league.

[Big Cat]

Mvp. Like, he put on correct quote. Like, what do you want? Your eyes can see it. Josh Allen.

[Dan]

Just.

[Big Cat]

He. When he catches fire, there's nothing you could do. And he was catching.

[Dan]

Fire. Yeah. And I mean, credit to the Patriots running. I thought Henderson looked really good today. Shot out of a.

[Memes]

Cannon.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He had that big run in the. Was it fourth quarter?

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Hank, does. Does it concern you that the Patriots seem to struggle when they're playing from.

[PFT Commenter]

Behind. No, I mean, they were. They. They were down in the fourth quarter and took the lead.

[Dan]

Back. Yeah, but they. They tend to struggle. If they struggle at all, it's when they're playing from.

[PFT Commenter]

Behind. Does not concern.

[Dan]

Me. Not.

[PFT Commenter]

Concerned.

[Dan]

No. So torch update. Does Drake may still have the.

[Big Cat]

Torch? I.

[Dan]

Don'T. This is.

[PFT Commenter]

Like. Like, am I.

[Dan]

Like. Has been put out crazy.

[Memes]

Pills.

[PFT Commenter]

What? We had this exact conversation on Thursday that the Torch was not. There was no update after this.

[Dan]

Game. Well, I just wanted to.

[PFT Commenter]

Stay. If you want to know the Torch update, just go listen to the show we did on.

[Dan]

Thursday. I'm curious how you. Right now when you watch if.

[PFT Commenter]

The Patriots lose this game, does the Torch go back and we said no and went over the whole thing?

[Dan]

No. I'm just curious where you sit right.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. Porch updates. Same as when we talked about.

[Dan]

It too, which is Drake may still have the.

[PFT Commenter]

Torch.

[Dan]

Yeah. What about now? What if. What if the Bills somehow win the.

[PFT Commenter]

Division? Is.

[Dan]

This. I'm curious to know the.

[Big Cat]

Update. He's asking for the Torch.

[Dan]

Update. The.

[Big Cat]

Update.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Same. Listen, go.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen. I'll send you a.

[Big Cat]

Link. Please don't be mean to your.

[Dan]

Elder.

[Big Cat]

Elderly. I.

[Dan]

Just. I want to know your emotions after the.

[PFT Commenter]

Game. Hank, it's the same if we lose the division. Then it's. And then we're going to. We can have a discussion about the.

[Dan]

Torch.

[Big Cat]

Okay. The Torch stays where it.

[PFT Commenter]

Is. Yeah. The Torches. Torch is.

[Dan]

Ours. What's.

[Big Cat]

Drake. You split the games. You split the games this.

[PFT Commenter]

Year. But we're going to. We had. It's the.

[Big Cat]

Division.

[Memes]

Right.

[Dan]

Right. So whoever wins the division. Current torch.

[PFT Commenter]

Bearer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Okay. How do you feel about the. The MVP.

[PFT Commenter]

Race? How do I feel about.

[Big Cat]

It?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. Did this swing you one way or the.

[PFT Commenter]

Other? I think Matt Safford's probably gonna.

[Big Cat]

Win. Yeah. He's minus 300 right now on DraftKings. Yeah. To win the.

[PFT Commenter]

MVP. How do you feel about it? Josh.

[Big Cat]

Allen.

[Dan]

Right. It got. His odds got a lot better.

[PFT Commenter]

Today. That's.

[Big Cat]

Awesome. He went to plus.

[PFT Commenter]

550. That's.

[Big Cat]

Great.

[Dan]

Yeah. Are you upset? Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Be.

[Big Cat]

Mad. It's good to say open.

[PFT Commenter]

Space. It's not open space. Everything I see, you guys just deny. But. Yeah, I'm mad. You're.

[Big Cat]

Annoying. What did we.

[PFT Commenter]

Deny? That you were.

[Big Cat]

Being. Oh, I know. I said. I just said that we're all.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Have you acknowledged that I was with. I was for once. One second. I was locked in on the Bears game. I did no, that was when you hit the.

[PFT Commenter]

Dickheads. I.

[Dan]

Will. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Will. I.

[Big Cat]

Remember. I remember.

[Max]

Everything. Me too. Donnington.

[PFT Commenter]

Bones. Good. Max. I don't care like.

[Big Cat]

You. You.

[PFT Commenter]

Have. You have rights. You like to.

[Big Cat]

Like. I don't care about you. You can do it like.

[PFT Commenter]

You. I. I. With you as much as I humanly can. Max. Big head and pft. Like, the actors, everybody's friends, and then when they get mad, they're like. And then if I say something.

[Big Cat]

About the bears, Big cat will literally. I can cry. I had. No. I have. No, wait, you're gonna cry? When did I say I had a problem with. You call me a. I don't have a problem. You calling me a.

[PFT Commenter]

Dickhead. I know. I'm just saying, like.

[Big Cat]

You'Re. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

Fine. Act like you don't troll. And then when.

[Big Cat]

I. No, no, I. I told you exactly in the moment. I said I saw the tweet at the top.

[PFT Commenter]

My. Not to.

[Big Cat]

Me.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I said that behind.

[Big Cat]

Me. Well, I mean.

[PFT Commenter]

You. I was in your.

[Big Cat]

Show. You were in a. You were in a very prickly mood. I wasn't gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

Say. You were, like, talking loud enough where I could clearly hear.

[Big Cat]

You. I. Well, I didn't even. I. I, like, whispered to. I showed them the phone. I should have. You're right. I should have said it directly to you. Right. Okay. My.

[Dan]

Bad. Listen.

[Big Cat]

The. Probably would have gone really well, the tough losses if I could hear.

[PFT Commenter]

You. So it's like. I knew you were talking about me literally behind my.

[Big Cat]

Back.

[Dan]

Okay. The tough losses in the gambling cave. You have every. Every right to lash.

[Big Cat]

Out.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because we're going to be. We're going to say things that sound like compliments but really aren't compliments. We're going to. We're going to do all the psychological warfare and. Yeah, it does suck when you lose games like.

[Big Cat]

That.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Sorry. We'll be.

[Dan]

Back. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Patriots are fine. Patriots. You know, they did lose the one seed.

[PFT Commenter]

Today. We didn't have it going into.

[Big Cat]

This. I just. I just lost the.

[Dan]

Opportunity. If you had won and the Broncos had lost. We didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Lose. We didn't have.

[Big Cat]

It. I wasn't trolling you all game. I was barely. I didn't talk to you all.

[Dan]

Game. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Know. I never said you were.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Pft.

[Dan]

Was. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Was. No PFT Bet the Patriots like his long control, but that's.

[Dan]

Fine. What long con. I was. I was. I was gambling on the.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots. I.

[Dan]

Know. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Know. I'm.

[Dan]

Not. What happened to Her. What happened to our podcast podcast we're gonna do about the pats. Do your.

[PFT Commenter]

Pod. I have no issue with. With your behavior during the game. It's. It is. It's.

[Dan]

Fine. After the game. Slight.

[Big Cat]

Issue.

[PFT Commenter]

Just. I. I don't care. It's all good. Like you guys are being. I said.

[Big Cat]

You'Re.

[Dan]

Yeah. The.

[Memes]

Whispering. We.

[PFT Commenter]

Are. It.

[Max]

Is.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We're all dinington bones. If it makes all bad.

[Dan]

Moments. If it makes you feel any better, Hank, the 2021 Titans last loss of the regular season was also in week 15.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Dan]

Okay. So you can turn this right around. Just like the. Remember the Titans.

[Big Cat]

Hank. Dude, Harold Landry made like a sack in the first half of PFT's. Like, that's Harold Landry. Superstar player from the Titans when they got the one seed.

[Dan]

Again. I've moved past the. The 300 set, so I'm not going to bring that up.

[Big Cat]

Anymore. You guys.

[Dan]

Have. It's kind of broken containment because now whenever anyone throws for 300 yards, Hank and I get tagged in a lot of tweets about it. But I just wanted to tell people, stand down. I don't care about that. That number doesn't mean anything. It's an arbitrary line in the sand. Let's just focus on the playoffs. Let's win some playoff games.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. So, Hank, you. The Patriots still have a 63% chance to win the AFC east if you just beat. I think if you just beat the jets and Dolphins, you're in. You win the AFC.

[PFT Commenter]

East.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You can lose to the Ravens and still win the AFCs if you.

[PFT Commenter]

Got to beat the.

[Dan]

Ravens. Are you worried about the Ravens.

[Big Cat]

If you win those other two.

[Dan]

Games? They're a good.

[PFT Commenter]

Team. I've said it. I've said it all.

[Memes]

Year.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The teams with quarterbacks and. And coaches that have, you know, experience in the playoffs like those. Those are the teams that scare you. And. And the Bills and Josh Allen.

[Dan]

Showed. Why are you worried about the jets at all playing spoiler. Specifically memes like this. That would be.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. We're focused on the Ravens right now. I'm not going to get ahead of. Ahead of.

[Dan]

Myself. Okay. Have you.

[PFT Commenter]

Napped?

[Dan]

No. Okay. Have you.

[PFT Commenter]

Blinked?

[Dan]

Yes. How's life Similar.

[PFT Commenter]

Going? It's all.

[Big Cat]

Right. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

Hard. It's not.

[Big Cat]

Frustrating. Friends with them right.

[Dan]

Now. I like this. Hank's my.

[Big Cat]

Boy. Yeah. He's all of our.

[Dan]

Boys. Hank's my boy. But the. The truest mark of whether somebody is actually your real boy is if you root for them to fail when it comes to their sports teams that they love very.

[PFT Commenter]

Much. I have no issue with it. I. I have no issue with.

[Big Cat]

It. By the.

[PFT Commenter]

Way. Just do it to my face. I'll buy my.

[Memes]

Back.

[Big Cat]

Back.

[Dan]

Okay. But you were sitting in front of.

[Big Cat]

Me. Exactly. We should have. Did you want me to walk the front? Yeah. I've been like, hey, hey, look, there's a tweet that I.

[Dan]

Saw. Hey, Grok.

[PFT Commenter]

On. What about that thing you said on the.

[Big Cat]

Stream? Are.

[PFT Commenter]

You. Do you stand by the thing you said in the stream that you said you weren't going to talk about in the.

[Big Cat]

Podcast? What was.

[Dan]

That? What.

[PFT Commenter]

Thing? Patriots are going to make the Super.

[Dan]

Bowl. Well, Hank, that happened on the Cave and I told you, man to man, like, this is not for the podcast. It's for the stream only. Sometimes you have to provide content that stream only for the people that are tuning.

[PFT Commenter]

In. Got.

[Dan]

It? Otherwise you hear it.

[Big Cat]

All. That was exclusive for the.

[Dan]

Stream. Yeah. An exclusive. And was I saying it to. To reverse jinx you? Who's to say it ended up working out that way? But yeah, I guess in my heart of hearts, I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit concerned about the idea of owing you.

[Big Cat]

$50,000. I.

[Dan]

Guess.

[Memes]

$42,000.

[Dan]

Mm. I'd rather not owe you that.

[PFT Commenter]

Money. After the end of that game. Do you still think.

[Dan]

That. Off the.

[Big Cat]

Record. Off.

[PFT Commenter]

The. Off the.

[Dan]

Podcast. Okay. Off podcast. Stream only. My stream only thoughts on that. I don't think the Patriots are going to make the super bowl this.

[Big Cat]

Year. I think if they get the one seed, they.

[PFT Commenter]

Could.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They can win two home playoff games. Yeah. And be in the Super Bowl. I don't know if winning three. Three is.

[PFT Commenter]

Hard. I.

[Dan]

Agree. The buy is.

[Big Cat]

Massive. Yeah. Yeah. And the bill. Listen, you got a 21 nothing lead on the Bills. That. That, that.

[PFT Commenter]

Happened.

[Big Cat]

Nothing. Yeah, but that did.

[Dan]

Happen. It did happen. You got out to that lead. You got out to that lead, Mr. First Quarter. Drake may lit it up. He had a great first.

[Big Cat]

Half. The Bills have such a funny list of this season. They've beaten Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes and Drake May. And they've lost to Davis Mills Tua and Michael Penix and.

[Dan]

Drake. Man. And.

[Big Cat]

Drake. Yeah, but it's, It's. It's been. I don't really know what to make of this. Bill's team. They have Josh. It's basically, if they have Josh Allen, they can get out of any.

[Dan]

Problem. Is Josh Allen on.

[Big Cat]

His.

[Dan]

Yeah. They might.

[Big Cat]

Win. Get. Get you out of any problem, Josh Allen. But you don't want to be in too deep of a problem in the playoffs. That's why if you go down 21 nothing in the playoffs, that's a different. That feels like a different.

[Dan]

Problem. That's why I feel like Josh Allen, he should be definitely in the MVP consideration. Like, if you took Josh Allen off the Bills and replace him with any other quarterback, they're a bad.

[Big Cat]

Team.

[Dan]

Yes. And with Jo Allen, they're going to compete for the. For the afc. Well, they're going to compete for the division.

[Big Cat]

Title. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Any last.

[PFT Commenter]

Words? Baltimore beat.

[Big Cat]

Baltimore. Yeah. And that's Sunday Night Football. Yeah. Yeah. It. Listen, you had been out of practice of.

[Dan]

Losing. That is.

[Big Cat]

True. It had been a long time since you had to sit on the podcast and.

[Dan]

Lose. What's your biggest drought as a sports fan? Like, in between championships, We got to be close to getting into it now. From the Celtics to.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. No, it was the Celtics 2000 to the Patriots or 2008 Celtics to the 2013 Patriots. Is that.

[Dan]

It? What about since. Since the pod.

[PFT Commenter]

Started? I don't.

[Big Cat]

Know. Pod. It's nothing. Yeah. All right, well, let's go to the next.

[Memes]

Game.

[Big Cat]

You. This was, I mean, bad news because Patrick Mahomes got hurt, but good news, the Chiefs have been eliminated. Chargers 16, Chiefs 13. Patrick Mahomes does have what seems like a torn ACL. So he is. Which sucks a.

[Dan]

Lot. Per Adam Schefter, the Chiefs and Mahomes are exploring surgical.

[Big Cat]

Options. So he has a torn.

[Dan]

Acl. So he has. Yeah. Torn.

[Big Cat]

Acl.

[Dan]

Yes. And they'll be exploring surgery for.

[Big Cat]

It. Yes. So they're eliminated. The Kansas City Chiefs have been eliminated from the playoffs for the first time since 2014. This podcast has never done a show without the Chiefs in the.

[Dan]

Playoffs.

[Big Cat]

Yep. It's pretty crazy. The run they. They have had the seven years from 2018 till. Obviously this year is the eighth year. But for those seven years, they went to seven straight conference championship games. Five Super Bowls won three of them. Insane, insane run. Very similar to the Patriots run. But now it is over for at least this year because they will not be in the playoffs. And Patrick Mahomes, which sucks, will probably miss sometime next year, I would.

[Dan]

Assume. Probably.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Probably miss the beginning of next.

[Dan]

Year. I guess it all depends on how bad the tear is, if it is the acl, and then what they have to do to it. But there's a chance he could get back to start the season. Yeah. But probably more likely that he'll. He'll come back after it started, but be there for the majority of it. What's crazy is that this will be the first time that the AFC Championship Game doesn't have either Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady as a quarterback in it since.

[Big Cat]

2010. That's.

[Dan]

Crazy. How nuts is that? That's when it was Ben Roethlisberger and Mark Sanchez. Mark Sanchez? Yeah, Mark Sanchez of the Jets. It's been. This is like truly the end of an era. It sucks that Mahomes tore his acl. I thought it was like a little bit of a dirty hit that he got taken out.

[Big Cat]

On. Yeah. Mahomes also keeps plays.

[Dan]

Alive. He does keep plays alive. So it sucks that he tore his acl. The. The NFL is way more fun when Mahomes is playing. It kind of took some of the joy out of celebrating for all the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Haters.

[Dan]

Yeah. It was harder to. To truly enjoy the moment. Finally, the Chiefs and Mahomes are not going to be in the playoffs to steal everybody else's joy. Oh, yeah, he tore his acl. That's kind of a.

[Big Cat]

Bummer. When they were going down the field so they, you know, it. It weirdly left that. That little glimmer of wolf. They had scored there and won that game. Could they have gone to the playoffs? They weren't eliminated until losing this.

[Dan]

Game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Patrick Mahomes will. Will not take a snap with his team eliminated. He's never taken a snap with his team eliminated. That. That stat now becomes moot because he obviously was out of the game after Garden, Gardner, Minshew came in and. And threw the interception. Hank, this has gotta. I mean, no, no Chiefs in the.

[PFT Commenter]

Playoffs. Yeah, it's.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's. I feel bad for Patrick Mahomes and the injury. Yeah, that sucks. That was a shitty way. It's. It's kind of tough. It's, I guess, similar. I don't know. Obviously, way different. Different circumstances. He didn't commit a crime. He's not in jail. But it's probably similar to, like, Ohio State fans where it's like, you can't. It feels kind of feel bad.

[Big Cat]

Like, oh, I don't feel bad with Michigan. No, they don't feel bad. It is crazy, though. You see everyone talking about how, you know, Brady in his. Whatever it was, won three Super Bowls and then is an eighth year towards acl. I think this is Mahomes technically his ninth year because he didn't start obviously his first year tears ACL difference being Brady towards ACL in week one. Mahomes does it in week 15, which is going to take a little longer to come back for next year. But yeah, it is. It is weird having the both the Chiefs out of the playoffs and then having Mahomes have that injury, which sucks because Patrick Mahomes like, like selfishly I was like, oh, Christmas night is.

[Dan]

Ruined. Right, right. That's going to stink like.

[Big Cat]

That. We're not that we don't like.

[Dan]

Gardner Minch Minchu on Christmas. Actually that could he. He kind of looks Christ.

[Big Cat]

Like. Yeah, yeah. But it's. It stinks. And I feel really bad for Patrick Mahomes because that sucks to have injury like that and have to reh the entire off season after what was already kind of a season from.

[Dan]

Hell. We're probably going to get a big documentary about his, his workouts, his.

[Big Cat]

Rehab.

[Dan]

Yep. The State Farm commercial where he's in the training room is going to be kind of awkward to look.

[Big Cat]

At. Yep. And. And that was probably the last time Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey play on the same football.

[Dan]

Field. I feel like the Chiefs are going to be a different looking team next time they step on the.

[Big Cat]

Field. Oh, they need a full reset. That.

[Dan]

Was. They're gonna have.

[Big Cat]

Pickens.

[Dan]

Yeah. Or not Pickens. They're gonna have. They're gonna have.

[Big Cat]

Pits.

[Dan]

Pits. Somehow, somehow they are in cap hell going into this off season. But I think they could probably just be like, hey, Mahomes, can we just restructure your contract? Yeah. Give you a lot of money up front. And he'd be like, yeah, sure. Yeah, sure, go.

[Big Cat]

Ahead. Yeah, that works. As for the Chargers, the Chargers are just tough as nails. They just win ugly games. Rock fights. The two teams combined were 11 for 27 on third downs today. The game basically swung though with Justin Herbert throwing that touchdown pass. At the end of the half when the Chiefs were up, what was it, 13:3. It felt like the Chiefs were going to roll them. It felt like everything was going to, you know, be good in chief's land. And then Justin Herbert goes down the field, scores that touchdown, makes it a three point game going to half. And then it was just, yeah, let's just rock fight all the way to the.

[Dan]

End. The defense for the, for the Chargers stepped up in the second.

[Big Cat]

Half. Yeah, two big interceptions at the end of the.

[Dan]

Game. It went punt, punt, pick, pick. Those are the Chiefs four possessions in the second half. I loved what Harbaugh said after the game. Did you, did you read his.

[Big Cat]

Quote. No, what he.

[Dan]

Said. He goes, it's a ball.

[Big Cat]

Team. There it.

[Dan]

Is. This is a ball.

[Big Cat]

Team.

[Dan]

Yep. Starting to think this is my favorite ball team that I've ever been.

[Big Cat]

On.

[Dan]

Yep. I've been on a lot of teams. None better than this team. It's a ball team. A real ball team. I think the Chargers got to be the number one ball.

[Big Cat]

Team. They got to be the number one ball.

[Dan]

Team. I got Chargers, Detroit Pistons are ball team. The 49ers are a ball.

[Big Cat]

Team.

[Dan]

Yep. The Saints might be a ball team. There's a.

[Big Cat]

Difference. Or ball team.

[Dan]

Yeah. You don't think the Saints are.

[Big Cat]

Balls? I.

[Dan]

Do. Hank shook his.

[PFT Commenter]

Head. I don't really understand what the. Yeah, actually. Yeah. You know. Yeah, I do. I.

[Dan]

Do. They're ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Team.

[Dan]

Yeah. Harbaugh said this is the best ball team, my favorite ball team I've ever been.

[Big Cat]

On. There's just a ball.

[Dan]

Team. There's a difference between a great team and a ball.

[Big Cat]

Team. Right. Not saying they're great at football. This is a ball team. They just fight for everything. Every, every moment is going to be tough. Like, that's just what the Chargers do. I mean, Justin Herbert has been sacked 11 times the last two games. Justin Herbert needs to get all the credit. He's playing with a broken hand. He. Justin Herbert has been sacked four plus times in a game. Six times this year. The Chargers record in those games, five and.

[Dan]

One.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's a ball team. That's a ball.

[Dan]

Quarterback. They're 5. 0 in the division. I don't think the chargers have ever gone 50 to start the season inside their division right.

[Big Cat]

Now. And it's the first time they've swept the Chiefs since 2014, which also was the last time the Chiefs didn't, you know, miss the playoffs. So, yeah, this, it's. It's a true ball team. I don't know if they can go to the super, but I know that they can just muck it up with anyone and make anything a game. That's really what. What, what they've like proven to do, especially in the last two.

[Dan]

Wins. They're.

[Big Cat]

Physical. Very.

[Dan]

Physical. Very physical. Yeah. Just gotty performance from Justin Herbert again. If he. I was thinking if he gets married, he should actually, he should take Madison's.

[Big Cat]

Name. Oh, Justin.

[Dan]

Beer. Justin Beer would be an awesome.

[Big Cat]

Name. Justin Beer would be so.

[Dan]

Sick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So the, the Chiefs will play the last three games meaningless. Which. That actually does hurt you a little, Hank, because they do play the Broncos on Christmas night. And the. I saw this stat. In Mike Tomlins 19 seasons with the Steelers, he's played a total of one meaningless game eliminated from the.

[Dan]

Playoffs. That's pretty.

[Big Cat]

Cool. One, one single game. But yeah, the. Also Chris Jones didn't realize that he was eliminated until he was at the.

[Dan]

Podium. Oh, that's a tough one to find out. That's a tough.

[Big Cat]

Moment. Yeah. For them to tell you to let you know that, hey, you guys are out of the.

[Dan]

Playoffs. I mean, if you're on the Chiefs, you don't expect to ever be eliminated. You're just like, what do you mean this game is.

[Big Cat]

Meaningless?

[Dan]

Yeah. What do you mean.

[Big Cat]

Tank? Yeah. Because it was just. I, I mean, I lost money on the Chiefs the last time this year. That would be one nice thing because I did. I did think they were just going to keep getting off the mat. I thought they were going to win this game. They were probably going to win this game. Patrick Mahomes doesn't tears.

[Dan]

Acl. I don't.

[Big Cat]

Know. Maybe not though, because the Chargers are a ball.

[Dan]

Team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. Bills fans got to be the happiest.

[Big Cat]

Bills. Why? Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. First playoffs without Patrick Mahomes in.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. If they do. If the Bills do win the super bowl this year, it's actually going to be sneaky. Like a good thing for Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Fans. Well, yeah. Now that they're out of it.

[Dan]

They could be like, yeah, the one year that we weren't in, now you.

[Big Cat]

Did. Out of it.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I wonder. I wonder if any Chiefs fans are going to be rooting for. For the.

[Big Cat]

Bills. That'd be.

[Dan]

Mean. Probably not root for them, but like they, you have that, that big, big ace in the hole if the Bills do win the Super.

[Big Cat]

Bowl. Yeah. She didn't have to go through Kansas City.

[Dan]

Yeah. By the way, we don't have to watch the Eagles and the Chiefs in the super bowl.

[Big Cat]

Again.

[Dan]

Yeah. So America.

[Big Cat]

Wins. If you go all the way back to 1998. This is the first playoff since that won't feature Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes. All three of those guys have been in every single NFL playoffs. Or at least one of those three guys, I mean, have been in. In the playoffs since.

[Dan]

1998. I think Mahomes will be.

[Big Cat]

Fine. Yeah. That is the one thing with these ACL injuries. They're not like they used to be. I mean, in that you can. You could bounce back. Like it's not. He. He will. The one thing that sucks for the Chiefs is they will probably not be very good next year too. Yeah. That Is one thing that you can like. Mahomes is going to come back later than probably the start of the season, and we've seen with the ACL injuries, you're not 100% for a little bit. So that. That's where like, it's not only did you get eliminated for the playoffs, but next year's looking like it's going to be an uphill battle as well.

[Dan]

Yeah. Maybe bring back Castle back. That's what the. That's what the Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Said. Yeah. Gardner Minshew, Christmas night. That's gonna be.

[Dan]

Fun. I do think it's gonna be fun. Garden Mitchu is a very, very fun backup. That's gonna be a fun. At least we have.

[Big Cat]

That. So, Hank. No. No Mahomes, no homes. Yeah. No. Even if he had not torn his acl, the Chiefs were.

[PFT Commenter]

Eliminated.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So you can just separate the.

[PFT Commenter]

Two. I was right. I.

[Big Cat]

Said.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's a.

[Big Cat]

Podcast. What'd you.

[PFT Commenter]

Say? Chiefs aren't gonna make the.

[Big Cat]

Playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You.

[Big Cat]

Did. Yeah. PFT eliminated him like three weeks.

[Dan]

Ago. Yeah. I think on Thanksgiving.

[Memes]

Right? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You eliminated that. You eliminated their.

[Dan]

Ass. Yep. They did have just first.

[Big Cat]

Report. So many games where you're just like, what. What is happening this.

[Dan]

Season? Yeah. It's got to be the most frustrating season in a very long time for Chiefs.

[PFT Commenter]

Fans. You could have had him as your picky.

[Big Cat]

Team. I know that's.

[Memes]

True.

[Big Cat]

Thanks. I've been reminded of it a lot. Appreciate it. I really. I really regret whispering that tweet to you during the gambling.

[Dan]

Cave. You think that he's.

[Big Cat]

Just. Yeah, I do. I regret.

[Dan]

It. He.

[Big Cat]

Just. I wish you could go back in time and take it.

[Dan]

Back. I mean, he was just pointing out that it was at the top.

[Big Cat]

Of. Of the.

[Dan]

Timeline. And then I pointed, you know what I whispered to Big Cat? I was like, look at this. It was that grock on x.com the AI machine. It had the recap of the Patriots Bills game. And it was Patriots win in a blowout because Patriots were up at halftime. And that's when it. It grabbed it. So that's what. I was showing that to Big Cat. I didn't feel like saying it out loud because I was like, hey, Hank's down bad right.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yeah, I didn't want.

[Dan]

To. Our hungry dog just lost, and I didn't want to rub it.

[PFT Commenter]

In.

[Dan]

Me. And you were in lock step today. We had, like, all the same.

[Big Cat]

Vests. Always. Always lock step. Always lock.

[Dan]

Step. All right, Max memes. Actually, I'm curious to know Memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Thoughts. At least we got the touchdown.

[Big Cat]

Parlay. What, are you rooting against him.

[Dan]

Now? He's really against. Oh, I like that. I like that. Now he's rooting against it. Yeah. Memes as a.

[Big Cat]

Hater. You're right. We. We.

[Dan]

Did. What are your thoughts on the Chiefs missing the.

[Memes]

Playoffs? I was the first one to report.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Memes]

When? A couple episodes before you report.

[Dan]

It. Oh, wow. Really? So I copied your.

[Memes]

Report. You copied the.

[Big Cat]

Report? Wow.

[Dan]

Wow. I'm.

[Memes]

Sorry. I said. And then you. You guys were like, are you sure? Patrick Mahomes. I was like.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Fuck is a big day for the people who have been predicting the Chiefs to not make the playoffs every year for the last five.

[Dan]

Years. That's why it sucks so much, though, that Mahomes got hurt. Obviously it sucks that he got hurt, but it sucks even worse that nobody can take as much joy in.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Dan]

Yeah. As this day that everyone's been waiting for.

[Big Cat]

It. No, I know. Chiefs get to hide. Be like, hey, Mike, our quarterback got.

[Dan]

Her.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Stay classy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Come.

[Dan]

On. Stay.

[Big Cat]

Classy. You can't celebrate. It's true. It should have been a celebratory day. It was.

[Dan]

Not. Yeah, I gotta. I got a text from Kurt Goldsberry earlier, and it was just a. A picture of an Internet comment that was somewhere. Dylan, Raul is jumping violently up and down in his apartment trying to injure his knee. I thought that was a pretty funny take on.

[Big Cat]

It. That is a funny take. Yeah. Okay, next game. Ravens 24. What? What, Max, were you gonna say no, it was.

[Memes]

Me. I actually like the Chiefs. I'm not a hater of the.

[Big Cat]

Chiefs.

[Memes]

Really. They were overshadowed. They were casting a shadow over the Patriots dynasty. So I like the.

[Dan]

Chiefs. They were. They're doing you a.

[Max]

Favor. I kind of have the same take. I don't really hate the Chiefs.

[Big Cat]

Either. I. I didn't really have any feelings for them. And other than. They were.

[Max]

Just. I wanted to see Patriots, Chiefs in the first round. I thought that would have been a fun game to.

[Big Cat]

Watch. The only time I really hated the Chiefs was when. It was when the Bears still had Mitch. But we're like, three quarterbacks on from that, so. Because that. That was. Everyone was like, oh, Mitch and Patrick Mahomes. That's forever.

[Dan]

Ago. I never really hated the Chiefs. I just wanted to see Josh Allen get to a Super Bowl. And then I. I did not want to see another matchup of the Chiefs and the Eagles in the super bowl last year, actually. Max, you got. You. You broke the Chiefs for.

[Big Cat]

Now.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think I wouldn't hate the Chiefs if I were you.

[Big Cat]

Either. As a national sports podcast, I think we put a lot of respect on the Chiefs for the most part. Hank, did you hate the Chiefs? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you hate.

[PFT Commenter]

Me?

[Memes]

No.

[Dan]

Okay. Do you hate.

[PFT Commenter]

Me?

[Big Cat]

No. That one was a little.

[Dan]

Different. I love you.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank. Love you.

[Big Cat]

Too. I love.

[PFT Commenter]

You. I love.

[Big Cat]

You. I love you. Okay. Ravens 24, Bengals 0. Don't want the Bengals in the playoffs. We didn't. There it.

[Dan]

Is. No, we did not. The Bengals got the day off to an interesting start by not shoveling their stadium.

[Big Cat]

Entirely.

[Dan]

Yes. Not cleaning off the seats of.

[Big Cat]

Snow. Who. Florio being on that was the absolute.

[Dan]

Best. He was all over it. All over it. And I guess the. The Bengals were saying that it's easy enough for fans to brush the snow off their own seats. We're going to prioritize the aisles and cleaning up the concourses. That was a big controversy in. In. In Florio's mind before the game started, but then after the game started, it was just a shit kicking. The Bengals look bad. Joe Burrow did not play with joy.

[Big Cat]

Today. He said. Joe Burrow said, no team would have won with me as their quarterback.

[Dan]

Today.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So he was very honest about it. It was the. The perfect. I don't want to say perfect, because Bengals fans, obviously this has been a terrible season, but it was the perfect encapsulation of the Bengals that your defense finally submitted and they've been playing better recently, but your defense played well, and the Ravens only had 40 plays of offense and your offense had no points. And that was the first time in Joe Burrow's career that he started and finished a game and got shut.

[Dan]

Out. Got shut out. He had a couple bad interceptions. That one that Aloha Gilman had, though, was.

[Memes]

Awesome.

[Dan]

The. The run back is. Calvino picked it off. And then he was just like, here, you take it, Take it. You're faster than throwing a lateral. He was just. Just like, you are a young man. Please run. I cannot.

[Big Cat]

Run. You have it. I'll. I'll.

[Dan]

Just. He watched. He had the best seat in the house.

[Big Cat]

Afterwards. Yeah. But it was. So Lamar stays perfect. Week 15 and later. So 16 and oh. Now week 15. Regular season. So regular season games. The Bengals are out. The Ravens maybe found a little something in terms of identity where their defense is playing well and, you know, they're running the football. Derrick Henry had 100 yards only on 11 carries. Lamar didn't have to throw the ball much. It does feel like their offense still isn't like back to peak Lamar, but maybe they found something. Maybe.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I, I was actually kind of hoping for the crazy scenario where they would. They would win the division with seven wins. That would have been funny. But now they've got a big game against the Patriots next Sunday, then at the packers and then at the Steelers to close out their season. Yeah, I, I have no idea how that's going to sh. I. The Ravens are the one team in the NFL that I genuinely cannot figure out. They're so week to week, I don't know which team's going to show up. Yeah, I thought that the Bengals would, would at least compete. I didn't think it was going to be a blowout either way. But I have no idea what to. If they lost to the Patriots by 30 points next week and then beat the packers like 17 to 10, that would not surprise me at.

[Big Cat]

All. Yeah, the Ravens could go to the super bowl and not or may not make the playoffs. Both would be like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, makes perfect sense. Do we think Zach Taylor might. It feels like it might be with Joe Burrows comments, which he then clarified today, saying he wasn't talking about the organization, he was just talking about his fun with football. He also had a closed door meeting with the team, which no one has talked about yet. But yeah, doesn't it feel. Zach Taylor also had a tough one where he was asked afterwards, what are your thoughts on the team's effort? And he said, we held them to three points in the second half. The Ravens did score 10 points. I guess they technically did hold them to three points because there was the pick.

[Dan]

Six.

[Big Cat]

Yep. But still, I don't know. I feel like Zach Taylor might be the sacrificial lamb of this terrible, terrible Bengals.

[Dan]

Season. So his contract runs through.

[Big Cat]

2026. Doesn't.

[Dan]

Matter. I feel like you don't think.

[Big Cat]

So. No contracts for.

[Dan]

Coaches. For the Bengals coaches, yeah, maybe, but not.

[Big Cat]

Really. Still, if Joe Burrow's unhappy because how much they pay him, they're probably not paying him a.

[Dan]

Lot. I think even, I think even for, for the Bengals, I would say that they're probably going to let him coach it out. I think it does make a big difference for.

[Big Cat]

Them. You think that he's gonna, you know, you don't think he's gonna be fired one year left? I think they would. I think they're fire. If, if Joe Burrow's not happy and he's like, hey, it's, it's Zach Taylor, he's gone. He has to be.

[Dan]

Gone. I just got a text. I just got a text from our. Our dear, close, personal friend Chris.

[Big Cat]

Berman. Oh, yeah, I got the same one.

[Dan]

Yeah. He said sound bite for you. When we interviewed in May, you asked me for a bold prediction. I said the Bills won't play Kansas City in January. Don't know why, but. Well, it's.

[Big Cat]

True.

[Dan]

Yep. Credit Swamp. That's why they call him.

[Big Cat]

Swamp. He is. He saw into the crystal.

[Dan]

Ball. So memes. Actually, you have to credit Chris Berman.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You copied Chris.

[Dan]

Berman.

[Big Cat]

Yep. So say thank you to Chris.

[Memes]

Berman. Thank you.

[Dan]

Chris.

[Big Cat]

Thanks. There you go.

[Dan]

Yeah. I feel like Zach Taylor. I think he'll probably stick around for next year. Although he. I think any other franchise, he would definitely be on the hot seat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Whose line is it Anyway? Next week, Sunday Night Football, Patriots, Ravens in Baltimore on DraftKings. Whose lines anyway? I'm gonna guess I know what it is. You do. Ravens minus two and a.

[Dan]

Half. That's what I was gonna.

[PFT Commenter]

Say. It was one and a half a few hours ago. I'll double check right.

[Big Cat]

Now. Is it two and a half now? Okay. Hungry.

[PFT Commenter]

Dog. Oh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go right back to it. What were the other legs in the hunger day you had?

[PFT Commenter]

Saints. Saints.

[Big Cat]

Lines. Okay. Next game, Bears 31, Browns 3. Bears are 10 and 4. That was a. That was an ass kicking. And it was. I. I loved that it was an ass kicking because it was just a take care of business type of game. Yeah, Caleb played awesome. That throw to DJ Moore, one of the coolest throws ever. I don't know. I still don't know how he. How he did that. And he was asked afterwards if it was like, just a prayer, and he said, no, I can make that throw. I can make any.

[Dan]

Throw. I can make any throw. Because when he let go of it, it seemed like the kind of throw that coaches don't want to see.

[Big Cat]

You make, but it was.

[Dan]

Perfect. I guess in a game like this against the Browns, Ben Johnson probably gave him the latitude. Like, just go out there and make fucking plays.

[Big Cat]

Dude. Yeah. And the. And the offense looked good. This was the first time the Bears have had a complete game win in. I don't even know. I. Because we've won so many games, like, where, you know, quarters have looked bad and we win by the, you know, by a block, field goal, whatever it may be. This was a complete game win where the offense looked good, the defense was taking the ball away, the defense looked good. That's probably has a Lot to do with the Browns being bad offensively in their offensive line being completely broken and out. But yeah, it felt good. It was like a no doubter. The only bad things that happened in this game is Luther Burden got hurt. I think Cole Comet's okay. He's. He's obviously important and both those guys are important because Luther Burton looked really good. And then a Dunes a got hurt in warmups, which keeps happening to the Bears, I their training staff. Something's going.

[Dan]

On. What happened in warmups? What was.

[Big Cat]

The. I don't know. But this happened to Kyler Gordon last week. Tried to warm up. Now he's on ir. But I'm not going to look at negatives this and we don't have to talk a lot about this game because it was such an ass kicking and it was like I, there was a little part of me when I woke up this morning like, ooh, don't let the Browns hang around. And they didn't. They.

[Dan]

Didn'T. Not at.

[Big Cat]

All. It was just a complete like no doubter run. The DeAndre Swift has been awesome. Picked off Shador three times. Shador got unlucky with the one that, that Jalen Johnson picked off in the end zone. That was insane. That was a perfect.

[Dan]

Pass. Should have been touchdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also with the Browns, Shador got the wrong wristband to start the game. I don't know how that.

[Big Cat]

Happens. Crazy.

[Dan]

Do. Are they actually sabotaging.

[Big Cat]

Shador? I don't.

[Dan]

Know. They gave him a wristband with the wrong plays on it. Now I put that on the team and then I put it on Shador for not realizing until like three minutes into the game that he had the wrong plays on his.

[Big Cat]

Wristband. Yes.

[Dan]

Yes. That's got to be a nightmare where like your coach is calling down like you're getting the play call. You're looking at your wristband and you're so new to the NFL that you're like, am I this.

[Big Cat]

Up? Yeah. What's going.

[Dan]

On? He probably thought he was it up for a while, but that's, that's a very Browns thing to.

[Big Cat]

Have. Very Brown's thing to happen. Miles Garrett, 211 1/2 sacks. He's one away from tying the record. It's kind of crazy. He's doing it for a three win.

[Dan]

Team. Yeah. For a three win team that's getting blown.

[Big Cat]

Out. Yeah. Because the Browns we've talked about, they don't get. They keep. They are competitive for.

[Dan]

Halves.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They were not competitive. They had. I think there was at One point we the Bears had more first downs and the Browns had plays. Yeah, that was how like I we're watching the game. I was like have the Browns, they had one big pass somewhere in the second quarter and other than that, I don't think they had a first down for like the first three.

[Dan]

Quarters. What I liked about it proved that Caleb can play in the.

[Big Cat]

Cold. Oh yeah, it was fun. He's a cold weather.

[Dan]

Quarterback. He was.

[Big Cat]

Very. No, he looked so comfortable and it was awesome to see. And again, it's the complete victory that we've. That's kind of been alluding to Bears where they just took care of you. The Browns are bad, so it's not like a walk around been like, do you see that? But if you want to be a good team, you got to beat the shit out of bad teams and not let bad teams hang around. And that's exactly what the Bears did. And now the swings in the NFC standings are just insane. The Bears went from after. After beating the Eagles on Black Friday, they went to the one seed. Then they went all the way down to the seven seed after losing the Packers. Then they're all the way back up to the two seed now. And I think it's going to change like four more times because we have big games against the packers on Saturday, then the 49ers and the Lions. Everything's still on the table. The Bears still could not make the playoffs. I think I am fairly confident they will because I think they're a very good team. But everything is still on the table for. Which is pretty crazy to say for a 10 and.

[Dan]

14. A very good team. Yeah, the Bears have upgraded to very. Where are you at on a scale of 1 to.

[Big Cat]

10? I think they're a very good.

[Dan]

Team. No, but where are you at.

[Big Cat]

Personally? Oh, I've been at like a nine and a half for a long.

[Dan]

Time. Nine and a.

[Big Cat]

Half. Yeah. Yeah, I've been saying that. I've been walking around and I. 6 out of 10 went away so long ago. I think it was probably Steelers game that was way.

[Dan]

Longer. Next week is such a big.

[Big Cat]

Game. Huge game. Such a big, massive, massive game. Because that was a shitty loss last week and now you get to do it again with the packers and the Niners. Game is going to be massive because of the NFC standings and like where the Niners are.

[Dan]

At. So you guys go 2 and 1, you're in the playoffs no matter.

[Big Cat]

What. I believe 2 and 1's in the playoffs no matter what. I think 1 and 2, you could, it could be a.

[Dan]

Problem.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So like I said, it's, I said this, I think last week or the week before, like there could very well be an 11 win team that doesn't make the NFC.

[Dan]

Playoffs. Do you think that Caleb's going to get to 4,000.

[Big Cat]

Yards? Probably not. And I don't really.

[Dan]

Care.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Like that's obviously something eventually he will, he will do. But I, yeah, this season has been so much fun. I don't. That, that, that I haven't thought about 4,000.

[Dan]

Yards. I just didn't look at where he was at. But he's had a good season so I didn't know if that was no real.

[Big Cat]

Possibility. Also the stat which was pretty crazy. He is. Let me pull it up. He has thrown the fewest interceptions of any quarterback in NFL history through his first thousand.

[Dan]

Passes. That's pretty.

[Big Cat]

Good. 12 interceptions through the first, first thousand.

[Dan]

Passes. That's really.

[Big Cat]

Good. Yeah. Yeah. He's playing well. And it again, just a complete victory is nice to see. Do we think. I love Kevin Stevenski. I think he's a very good coach. It probably feels like this might be.

[Dan]

It. So I, I feel like Stefanski, you'd be doing him a favor almost by.

[Big Cat]

Firing. Yeah, I, I think he probably wants to start something fresh because it's, it's gotta be really shitty to coach the.

[Dan]

Browns. Yeah, I think, I think he'd probably get hired immediately if he was fired. Yeah, I think he would probably last like a.

[Big Cat]

Week. How, like what is this Miles Garrett celebration going to look like? Because obviously he's an insane player. He's a Hall of Famer. He's had an incredible season. But there's a good chance he breaks this record like on a Sunday afternoon when the Browns are down 24 to.

[Dan]

7. Yeah, I mean the Brown season, the Brown season is pretty much like get Myles Garrett the single season sack record and then hope that Shador has the right wristband.

[Big Cat]

On. Yeah.

[Dan]

That'S. Those are the bars that you have to.

[Big Cat]

Clear. Hit those, hit those boxes and we're. And we're good to.

[Dan]

Go.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Okay. You want to do a couple ads then we'll get to the other four afternoon or early games before we.

[Dan]

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[Big Cat]

Apply. Okay, speaking of easy beating the shit out of teams. Eagles 31, Raiders 0 Max felt good.

[Max]

Right? Oh, we haven't had a win like that all.

[Big Cat]

Year. We had.

[Dan]

Talkative. We finally got little game.

[Big Cat]

Max. We got. We got little game Max and we had chatty Max, and it was a joy to be.

[Max]

Around. It felt good. It felt good. The Raiders are horrendous, so I'm not going to look too much into.

[Big Cat]

It. They're the worst team in the league. I. Honestly, I know. We've had this disagreement. Pft. I. The Raiders are the worst team in the league. I do not think that there's a debate for.

[Dan]

It. I agree. The Raiders are so much fun to play against. Every team should get to play.

[Big Cat]

Against. You're shaking your.

[Memes]

Head. Today's jets are the.

[Big Cat]

Worst. I. Dude, the Raider. What are you talking. The Raiders had 75 yards. That's total. They had seven first downs. Memes. Let me just repeat that. 75 yards. That's not like. That was their one quarter. That was the whole.

[Dan]

Game. They had 29 yards passing.

[Big Cat]

Memes. 75 yards. And this isn't the first. Remember the. The same thing with the Chiefs where they had, like, three first downs? They are. They are one of the worst teams, like, ever. It's crazy watching him.

[Memes]

Play. I take it.

[Big Cat]

Back. Yeah. Yeah. The 75 yards. You didn't see that. 75 yards is. That's so hard to.

[Max]

Do. Brandon Graham looked like he was 22 years old.

[Dan]

Today. It was crazy. He was flying around. Can he. Can he pick it? We've had this. This conversation. I think Kenny Pickett is now the most sackable starting quarterback in the NFL. Yeah, he's so.

[Big Cat]

Sackable. Yeah, that's. I mean, Pete Carroll's got to be in hell. I don't know why he's still.

[Max]

Coaching. Max Crosby's got to be in.

[Big Cat]

Hell. Max Crosby's getting.

[Max]

Upset. I feel so bad for that.

[Big Cat]

Guy. I do, too. The Eagles put in their backup offense with, like, a quarter to play. The Eagles backup offense. Memes had 79.

[Max]

Yards. They just ran out the entire fourth.

[Dan]

Quarter.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They had four more yards than the starting offense for the.

[Dan]

Raiders. Sirianni finally listened to the people of Philadelphia, and he. He benched Jalen Hurts and put Tanner McKee in the game. Who looked great, right.

[Max]

Max? Yeah, he did look.

[Big Cat]

Good. Tanner McGee did look.

[Max]

Good. Look.

[Dan]

Good. I mean, Jalen Hurts did look good, too. The entire offense looked good. A.J. brown looked good. Caught a touchdown today. Dallas Goddard had an awesome game. Yeah, it's just playing the Raiders makes you feel so good about your.

[Big Cat]

Team. But, Max, they.

[Dan]

Should. They should force the Raiders to Play against every team in the NFL so that we can all have a week where we think to ourselves like, oh, football is.

[Big Cat]

Fun. Yeah. Right there was the largest shutout win for the Eagles in 35 years, max. Even though this is the Raiders and they're terrible. We were saying it during the game two years ago when you guys had your collapse. You lost to a four win Cardinals team, like at home. So this.

[Max]

Is. It was three. It was three and made it there.

[Big Cat]

Fourth. But this is like you don't. Obviously you're not like, oh, everything's fixed. But beating teams that are bad this soundly is what good teams should.

[Max]

Do. Yeah, it felt good. It felt good. We haven't watched the offense look that way in a while. And the Raiders offense, I should have known I was nervous going into this game just because we haven't seen it. The Raiders offense never was going to have a chance against Eagles defense. Eagles defense is still very, very good and they prove that again today. They were doing some creative play calling which was. Which was nice to see. Two shovel pass touchdowns, which, you know, at least it's a little motion. It's something a little.

[Big Cat]

Different. Something different.

[Max]

Yeah. Than the vanilla offense. That is. It has looked like for most of this season. It was good to see. But it's a fucking Raiders. So I'm not going to. I'm not going to like think everything is.

[Big Cat]

Fixed. The four highest passer ratings in a game this season. Can you guys Name the 4 quarterbacks? 4 Highest passer rating games this season. Pass rating is a dumb.

[Dan]

Stat. This is not QBR. We're talking.

[Big Cat]

Passer. The one that's like 158.3 or.

[Dan]

Whatever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Hank, you want to take a.

[Dan]

Guess? Daniel Jones against the.

[Big Cat]

Raiders. No. Do you want to take a.

[PFT Commenter]

Guess? Hank Drake.

[Big Cat]

May. He is one of them. He's the third highest. Jared Goff is the second.

[PFT Commenter]

Highest. Jalen.

[Big Cat]

Hurts. The fourth in the first are Jalen.

[Memes]

Hurts.

[Big Cat]

Wow. He has two of the top four passer rating games on the season. Today was the.

[Max]

Fourth. I disagree. I think it's a good stat. I disagree with what you.

[Big Cat]

Said. He looked really good.

[Memes]

Today.

[Big Cat]

He. And he said afterward, everybody needs to remember where I come from and how I'm.

[Max]

Built. Yeah. All the people who are talking about the, you know, taking a puking, running around five times and then throwing the ball straight into the.

[Dan]

Ground. That was a statistical.

[Max]

Analysis.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, that was. That was numbers. That wasn't me casting any judgment. Super bowl champion Jalen Hurd 2. You turned your back on.

[Max]

After. I did not turn.

[Dan]

Back. Throwing the. The entire offense under the.

[Max]

Bus. I did not turn my back.

[Dan]

On. Did you guys. Did you guys start the game off by standing.

[Max]

Ovation? I don't know. I couldn't. We. We. It was. There was no volume to that game. But I. I was looking sound. I was trying to look for it and the broadcast didn't show.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Max]

Yeah. And I couldn't hear anything, so I.

[Big Cat]

Don'T. So the answer is.

[Max]

No. I don't know. So. Yeah, probably. No.

[Dan]

Probably. Yeah. Whatever happened today worked. It might have been just playing against the Raiders, but it.

[PFT Commenter]

Worked.

[Max]

Yeah. Shout out the Raiders. The Raiders. I shout out you guys. They're.

[Big Cat]

Awesome. Gronk said it afterwards. They're like Neo Spor. And you put it and kill all your cuts and moves.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's.

[Max]

A. That's a good.

[Dan]

Quote. I could see Gronk having like a cough, like a chest cold and he just like put some Neosporin on his.

[Big Cat]

Gums. Yeah. By the way, should we. So the Raiders. Should we pull up Tankathon? Because now it's a battle between the Titans, Raiders and Giants, the two win teams for the first overall pick. Who do we think is going to get the first overall pick? Here are the schedules. Titans play the Chiefs, the Saints and at the Jaguars. The Raiders play at Giants or. Sorry. At Texans. Verse Giants. Verse Chiefs. And then the Giants play the Vikings at Raiders. Cowboys. It's basically to come down to the Raiders Giants.

[Dan]

Game. I think. I think the Titans, they.

[Big Cat]

Should. They should flex that.

[Dan]

Game. I.

[Big Cat]

Agree. You think the Titans are going to.

[Dan]

Get. Yeah, I think.

[Big Cat]

So.

[Dan]

Yeah. Would you say.

[Big Cat]

There'S. Who has the tiebreaker, though? No, I. The Titans don't have the tiebreaker right.

[Dan]

Now. But the Raiders beat the Titans, didn't.

[Big Cat]

They? No, I think it goes off of win percentage or strength of schedule. Oh, it's.

[Dan]

Not. They don't do head to.

[Big Cat]

Head. No. And the Giants and Raiders play each other. So one of those teams is going to be out and the other one is probably going to get the first.

[Dan]

Pick. Doing. Doing reverse head to head would be a very funny way. Like if it's tied. Well, the team that lost that game, you're clearly the.

[Big Cat]

Worst.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Looking at the Titan schedule, I feel like the Titans are going to. The Chiefs should beat them, I.

[Big Cat]

Think.

[Dan]

Yeah. The Saints, Tyler Schuck, I mean Shuckster and the Jaguars might be the best team in football right.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yeah. They might not be playing for anything. So that might be your chance for the Titans to.

[Dan]

Win. That's.

[Big Cat]

True. Jaguars could be. Could be.

[Dan]

Firmly. That culture in Jacksonville is so.

[Big Cat]

Strong. It is so.

[Dan]

Strong. It probably goes too.

[Big Cat]

Deep. All right, Congrats, Max. Easy win. Felt good. Everyone should play the Raiders. The Raiders are so bad. They're just an abysmal, abysmal team to watch play.

[Dan]

Football. Memes. Did you get to play the.

[Memes]

Raiders?

[Dan]

No. You should, you should, you should write a.

[Big Cat]

Letter. Bears barely beat the.

[Dan]

Raiders. Yeah, but that was a great game. That was like. That was a game where your offense. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Clicked. Yeah, but it was, it was a tough win. Yeah. Because, I mean, the Raiders, I guess, were still fighting a little bit back then. I. Pete Carroll's got to retire.

[Dan]

Right? I think.

[Big Cat]

So. What. What, what do you do? Like, like this is. This has to be the most miserable.

[Dan]

Experience. I guess there's, there's going to be the possibility of the Raiders getting the number one pick and then he might have like Mendoza to around with and.

[Big Cat]

That. But I actually think that's when you want to fire.

[Dan]

Him. Right. But I. If you're saying, like, if he's going to retire. Yeah, I think he would want to stick around. I don't know if Tom Brady is going to want to stick.

[Big Cat]

Around. Yeah, I don't think so. Okay. Commanders 29, Giants 21. Congrats.

[Dan]

PFT. Oh, also real quick with Raiders, how about, how about Alex Guerrero now being like the official guy with the.

[Big Cat]

Raiders? Yeah, yeah, he's been all.

[Dan]

Season. Yeah, he's like Brady's eyes and ears on the inside right.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yes. It's going well. Commanders 29, Giants.

[Dan]

21. Yeah, we don't really have to talk about this game that much. It was, it was fun to win one. Yeah, that's. That's my takeaway from.

[Big Cat]

It. I told you you were going to win this.

[Dan]

Game. It was, it was fun to win one. Mariota looked good. Bill ran the ball really well today. I think I've switched to being of the mindset. Like I. Ideally, I would like to lose the games and get a better draft pick, but I think it's more important to go out and play.

[Big Cat]

Well.

[Dan]

Yeah. And to show that Dan Quinn hasn't actually lost the locker room. And Jalen Lane, another punt return touchdown for him.

[Big Cat]

Today. He's awesome.

[Dan]

Electric. He's somebody that we can build around. Shout out. Ben Senate, former low man trophy winner. He looked good today. And yeah, I thought, I thought for the most part it was a pretty balanced game. Jackson.

[Big Cat]

Dart.

[Dan]

He. He's dangerous, but sometimes he does throw his body around. He went to the blue tent again.

[Big Cat]

Today. Five out of 10.

[Dan]

Games. Five out of 10.

[Big Cat]

Games. That's a lot of Blue.

[Dan]

10. He's gone to the tent. He came out. He was not two banged up. So we got back at the game, we got to see one snap of Jamis, which was cool. And, yeah, the. The team's still playing hard, so credit to them. It was. It was fun to win.

[Big Cat]

One.

[Dan]

Yeah. Good to not continue that losing streak. And if it's a division rival, I feel like there's always value in. In beating them twice in a.

[Big Cat]

Year. Yeah. And the Texan, or, sorry, the. The Giants, Abdul Carter looked good for the first time. Like, it was kind of his. Welcome to the NFL. Oh, yeah. That's why you drafted him. That's what. That's what we were.

[Dan]

Promised.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He was all over the place. I think he had two strip sacks. One they. They recovered. But, yeah, the Giants are just. They should just try to lose. They.

[Dan]

Should. They.

[Memes]

Should.

[Big Cat]

Although. What? I guess trade the first pick. I don't know what to make of Jackson Dart. I'm going to say it right now. I think he's good, but the guy's in the blue tent way too.

[Dan]

Much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I don't know what. I don't know what you do with that. Because part of the reason why he's good is because he makes plays with his feet and he keeps plays alive and he puts himself in precarious situations. I just don't.

[Dan]

Know. I don't think that you can get a coach that's going to be able to tell him to stop playing like that. He's basically like you. That's how I play. Have you ever watched me play football? Watch me play football in middle school. I'm the exact same.

[Big Cat]

Guy. Exact same guy. Yeah, he does feel that way, but he's.

[Dan]

Fun. I like watching him.

[Big Cat]

Play. Who's he dating? He's getting some. Some celebrity, right? Isn't he? I don't know.

[Dan]

Zach. I think, like, dating.

[Big Cat]

Rumors. Rumors is the name of the girl.

[Dan]

No. I don't know if there's.

[Big Cat]

Anything. Any girl confirmed. Oh, I thought it was, like, a famous person. I'm.

[Dan]

Not. I don't.

[Big Cat]

Think. I think. I don't think anything confirmed. Got.

[Dan]

It. Just.

[Big Cat]

Rumors. Think so. A lot of tweets. Yeah. Because I just see. See the Scatterbow memes where it's like, Jackson Dart is dating this person while Scatterbow drinks chocolate milk out of a shoe. They Got a lot of. I think it's a lot of Alex Earl's rumor.

[Memes]

Out. Rumors out.

[Dan]

There. Oh.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I think it was fake.

[Dan]

Dms. I think they were leaking fake.

[Big Cat]

Dms. Oh.

[Dan]

Okay. They were trying.

[Big Cat]

To. You should be on that beat for us. Yeah. You should be ahead of that.

[Dan]

Beat. Yeah. It was all a farce. All AI.

[Big Cat]

Tmzack. You can be. You can be on top of that for us. I can run that for you.

[Dan]

Yeah. Love that, Max. I'll see you next.

[Big Cat]

Week. Yeah. How are you? How are you feeling, boys? Are you nervous about the commanders? Maybe. Mario.

[Dan]

Ta. I'm so. I'm so glad that the Eagles won this game because they're gonna be so happy. Riding.

[Big Cat]

High. Where's the.

[Dan]

Game? The game is in.

[Big Cat]

Dc. DC Yep.

[Dan]

Yep. No, Zach, I think you can. You can confirm this. The Eagles are going to win by like 40 points next.

[Memes]

Week.

[Dan]

Right? I think it's anybody's.

[Max]

Game. We got to see what happens in this Cowboys.

[Big Cat]

Game. Are you a little nervous about this game.

[Max]

Max?

[Big Cat]

Cowboys. Oh, yeah. No, no, not the.

[Max]

Cowboys. Depends on what happens in this Cowboys.

[Big Cat]

Game. The Cowboys lose. You're not nervous because you just.

[Max]

Got to win one out of the next.

[Big Cat]

Three. But still, you don't want to lose the pft.

[Max]

Right? You never want to lose. You don't want to lose.

[Big Cat]

Anyone. You don't want to lose to anyone. Do you.

[Max]

Think I don't. Whoa. Do you think Jaden will be playing? I forgot his name for a second. I'm sorry. I'm.

[Big Cat]

Sorry. Oh.

[Max]

No.

[Dan]

Wow. I have no idea. I have no idea if he's gonna play.

[Max]

Would. Do you want him to.

[Dan]

Play? No, I don't think so. There's no chance that he's 100.

[Max]

Healthy. So you want Mariota revenge.

[Dan]

Game? Yeah. I mean, Mariota is a more than capable backup quarterback. I think that if Jaden's 100, yes, I want him to play, but I don't think that he is. I don't think that he's going to be. But every. You know what pissed me off? Every time I see Terry McLaurin out on the field catching balls and scoring touchdowns, I just wish that I could have seen more of that this year with Jaden on the field at the same time, they haven't really gotten to play that much together. It's a bummer. But he's. Terry McLaurin's still very.

[Big Cat]

Good. Yeah. He had a touchdown today. It's big. Okay. Texans 40, Cardinals 20. This is another one ass kicking Texans Are really good. Their offense looked great today. CJ Stroud probably had his. One of his best games. I think second best game of the season. He was pretty much perfect. Nico Collins was as efficient as you can be. I think he had four targets, four catches, 85 yards and two.

[Dan]

Touchdowns. The game was over.

[Big Cat]

Immediately. Immediately. Immediately they were up 17 nothing. Nine minutes into the game they.

[Dan]

Kicked the ball off and like the first play of the game it was like okay, Texans are going to stomp.

[Big Cat]

Them. The Texans are a really good team. They're a dangerous, dangerous team. Especially if their offense can look like it looked today. Because that's really all that that like everyone knows their defense is going to be keep them in every game and C.J. stroud can get comfortable and look like C.J. stroud from a couple years ago. That's a dangerous.

[Dan]

Team. And they got a new running back.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yeah. Well, to our Jordan, Nick Chubb got is hurt. We don't know where Joe Mixon is. And then Woody Marks got hurt.

[Dan]

Again. I'd like somebody to check on Joe Mixon. I'm concerned.

[Big Cat]

Now. He's probably hanging out with Brandon Iuk.

[Dan]

Somewhere. Yeah. Joar Jordan. I think that this was his first game this.

[Memes]

Year.

[Dan]

Right. His first touches he went off for 101.

[Big Cat]

Yards. Woody marks is awesome but he, he gets banged up every.

[Dan]

Game. He does.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's always in the.

[Dan]

Tent. But everything about the Texans offense looked great today. Everything about the. The Cardinals defense looked terrible.

[Big Cat]

Today. Cardinals are done that like they already were done. But it feels like Jonathan Gannon is going to get fired. They got to figure out. They're basically. I think they're in the third year of a rebuild and now it's resetting to another.

[Dan]

Rebuild. The rebuilds kind of.

[Big Cat]

Overlap. Yeah. Trey McBride is awesome. So he back to back hundred catch thousand yard seasons which Travis Kelsey never did. Like he's. It's insane what he's done as a tight end. He had 12 catches today. He also broke the NFL Travis Kelsey streak for consecutive games with five plus receptions for a tight end. Sixteen straight.

[Dan]

Games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He's awesome. So that's cool. That's a good thing that the. The Cardinals have. Everything else.

[Dan]

Sucks. The Cardinals have like one or two.

[Big Cat]

Pieces. Right. Michael Wilson's awesome.

[Dan]

In. In the Cardinals wildest dreams. Like what is your perfect off season as a Cardinals fan? Probably fire.

[Big Cat]

Gannon.

[Dan]

Yep. Figure out a way to trade Kyler.

[Big Cat]

Murray.

[Dan]

Yep. Hope that a quarterback gets to you in the draft. Yep. Hire Josh McDaniels. Oh, he's gonna get another.

[Big Cat]

Shot. You think.

[Dan]

So? Yeah. Owners love, love a guy that's failed twice, spectacularly failed twice, and McDaniel should stay with the.

[Big Cat]

Patriots. But you think he's going to get another.

[Dan]

Shot? I think he.

[Big Cat]

Might. That would be an interesting take.

[Dan]

It. I don't know. I, he.

[PFT Commenter]

Shouldn'T. I don't think he.

[Big Cat]

Would. No, I don't, I don't know if he would either because he's, he's taken two jobs that the. I think he'd need a court. A really good quarterback that he.

[Dan]

Believes. Well, maybe it's just that. Okay, if you look at his past, he went to the Raiders, he went to the Broncos under their old ownership. Yep. He needs a place that has stability from the top down. The Arizona.

[Big Cat]

Cardinals. Yes. No, everyone thinks that about the Arizona.

[Dan]

Cardinals. Now this would probably be one of the situations where it's like, okay, he might be interested in a job, just not this.

[Big Cat]

One. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I don't know. He, he, he feels like maybe there's enough self reflection that I don't understand why guys who are really good coordinators don't just stay really good coordinators.

[Dan]

Like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. How awesome do you think Matt Patricia's year has been? He has made, he probably makes over a million dollars and he gets to coach a team that is better than everyone they play and he gets to coach their defense and doesn't have to worry about anything.

[Dan]

Else. Ask Vic Fangio how cool his life is.

[Big Cat]

Now. Right? There are certain guys that it's probably so much better. I don't understand why more guys don't say hey, this is awesome. We're going to keep doing this. Okay, last game from the early slate. Jaguars 48, Jets 20 memes. I'll get to you in a second. The Jaguars are just good. I don't they. So the Jaguars, I was looking at it. Trevor Lawrence by the way, had an incredible game. Five touchdowns, 330 yards. He ran in for a six touchdown. He had 50 yards rushing. That's actually never been done. First player in NFL history throw for five touchdowns, rush for a touchdown and rush for over 50 yards. Which I know is like kind of weird parameters so it would make sense but still he was perfect. Travis Etienne was awesome. The Jaguars since the bye week. So going into the bye week they were 4 and 3. They scored 19 points a game. Since the bi week they're 6 and 1. They've scored 32 points a game. Their one loss was that blown lead versus the Texans. Now they've Played a softer schedule, but they're throttling teams and they are. Their offense looks awesome. Liam Cohen is a great coach and the Jaguars are for real. I don't like. They're just killing teams.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think we might have reached the point where Trevor Lawrence might now finally be.

[Big Cat]

Underrated. Yeah, I would.

[Dan]

Agree. When he got to the league, he was overrated for a long.

[Big Cat]

Time. Remember I told you this stat about the Jaguars winning.

[Dan]

Seasons?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He has. They have five total in the last 20 years, and he has three of.

[Dan]

Them. I think Trevor Lawrence is one of the most underrated, if not the most underrated quarterback in the NFL, as crazy as that is to say that's how good his season's been. I think the Jaguars are for real, too. Their only losses have been to, for the most part, really good teams like the Texans. I almost count that as. Because we don't count comebacks anymore. Yeah, they got off to a. They had a. A big lead against the Houston Texans. Hugely a great team. They lost the Seahawks. They lost to the Rams, and then at the start of the season, they lost to the Bengals, which.

[Big Cat]

Was. Remember, that was the weird game with Travis Hunter, the.

[Dan]

Pass. Yep. That was a really strange.

[Big Cat]

Game.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think the Jaguars are for.

[Big Cat]

Real. Yeah. Liam Cohen also is four wins away from being fifth all time and wins as a Jaguars head coach. Yep. From passing. Gus Bradley, who coached the Jaguars for 62 games. Liam Cohen's coached him for.

[Dan]

14. Yeah, I.

[Big Cat]

Like. He's a good.

[Dan]

Coach. I like them. They're.

[Big Cat]

Fun. Trevor Lawrence is fun. Etienne's fun. They're fucking killing.

[Dan]

People. They're a great.

[Big Cat]

Team. Yeah. And they're leading the AFC south now. They have a tough schedule down the stretch. I think they have to play the Broncos next week. And. But they. They could. They have the inside track right now on the AFC south, which would be the Jaguars hosting a playoff.

[Dan]

Game. I'm jagging off. And that pool looks so good.

[Big Cat]

Today. So.

[Dan]

Good. The Jacksonville pool. Oh, my God. I just want to live in.

[Big Cat]

It. Their uniforms look like. The Jaguars are, I think, the highest variant team in terms of their uniforms looking like a complete joke and them looking like a real franchise, depending on how they're playing. Yeah. Like when they're playing poorly, it's like this is. This isn't. What are these.

[Dan]

Uniforms? Candy ass. They. They turn.

[Big Cat]

Candy. Yeah. I'm in the.

[Dan]

Dolphins. I think that. That we had the Brady Cook game.

[Big Cat]

Today. Yeah. Yeah. Memes just. And I saw you. You wave the white.

[Memes]

Flag. Yeah. I Mean, they put out a CFL defense.

[Dan]

Day.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, it's not like the jets gutted their defense. What are you going to.

[Memes]

Do? Well, they go to their defense and everybody's hurt on.

[Big Cat]

Defense.

[Memes]

Right. We have like practice squad on practice squad. Guys.

[Big Cat]

Playing. It was nice that Brady Cook got that first touchdown. They showed his family. That was.

[Memes]

Cool. Yeah, that was cool. He's got in the.

[Big Cat]

Season. Jets are not.

[Dan]

Good. Yeah, he scored. Yeah. He threw for an NFL touchdown today. That was a special moment for the.

[Big Cat]

Cooks. Are you work? Are you looking for that? Tankathon? Where are you guys going to end.

[Memes]

Up? So we're at five. There's a path to the.

[Big Cat]

One. There is a path to the one. If you lose.

[Memes]

Out. Yeah, we're going to lose.

[Big Cat]

Out. Who do you have.

[Memes]

Left? Saints. Next week, important.

[Big Cat]

Game. Tyler.

[Memes]

Shock. Then it's Patriots.

[Big Cat]

Bills.

[Dan]

Yeah. Would you.

[Big Cat]

Trade? Okay, that's a lose.

[Dan]

Out. How many. How many spots of draft position would you trade to beat the.

[Memes]

Patriots? We can't. We just can't beat the.

[Big Cat]

Patriots. I.

[Memes]

Don'T. This team. This team.

[Big Cat]

Is. I don't think so.

[Memes]

Dog. We can't beat.

[Big Cat]

Dick.

[Memes]

Whoa. Can't.

[Big Cat]

Beat. Can't be Dick. Aaron Glenn said very disappointed on a number of different levels. A lot of.

[Dan]

Disappointment. A lot of.

[Big Cat]

Levels. A lot of levels. A lot of disappointment. Makes.

[Dan]

Sense. Special teams look.

[Memes]

Good. Yeah. Special teams always looks good. I almost would make him the head coach, but this is one of those losses where I was like, I don't care if, like, the entire coaching staff gets.

[Big Cat]

Fired. Wait, he just.

[Memes]

Got. I know, but I'm just saying, like, that's how down on this team I am. But, like, I just don't think it.

[Big Cat]

Matters. But I also think they're in Glenn. Like, you can't. You can't judge him when you trade your best two defensive.

[Memes]

Players.

[Big Cat]

Correct. I mean, that's.

[Memes]

Not. You judge the defensive coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Though.

[Memes]

Yes. They just back to back weeks. You play two good teams for the first time forever, you got to have them at least one prepared to.

[Big Cat]

Play. Yeah. I just think that, like trading, you know, Quinn Williams and. And Sauce Gardner and then saying, wow, we're getting our ass kicked. No duh. That's a big no duh.

[Memes]

Moment. Yeah, but you were already getting your ass.

[Big Cat]

Kicked. Yeah, but it's the end of the season. It's just. It's, you know, you're getting your ass kicked. It's no.

[Memes]

Duh. Yeah. I wish the season ended after the Falcons.

[PFT Commenter]

Game.

[Dan]

Game. Do you get any Joy at all of watching these.

[Memes]

Jets? No, the A.D. mitchell. I get. I get joy out of watching A.D. mitchell play, but that's about.

[Dan]

It. Do you get any joy just at all during. During the game? Or I guess a better way to ask it. Do you feel pain during the game? Are you.

[Memes]

Just.

[Dan]

No. Completely.

[Memes]

Numb? It's just not. Just don't.

[Big Cat]

Care. That's a good place to be.

[Dan]

Yeah. The.

[Big Cat]

Stranger.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You.

[Big Cat]

Can'T. You can't get.

[Dan]

Hurt. You can't beat.

[Memes]

Dick. Can't be.

[Big Cat]

Dick. Can't be.

[Memes]

Dick. But I want to care, right? You just.

[Big Cat]

Can'T. You.

[Memes]

Can'T. You can't.

[Big Cat]

Care. You just.

[Dan]

Can'T. Do you have just, like, a daydream of what your perfect off season looks like every night? What does it look like.

[Memes]

Now? Maybe Fernando Mendoza is a.

[Big Cat]

Guy. Oh, I think he might.

[Memes]

Be. No, but you can't trade up because you need all the.

[Dan]

Picks. You have so many picks.

[Memes]

Though. We have so many picks, but you can't trade.

[Big Cat]

Up. Yeah, you're.

[Memes]

Right. You can't. There's so many.

[Big Cat]

Holes.

[Memes]

Yeah. Yeah, we have all the.

[Big Cat]

Holes. You have all the holes, and you can't beat.

[Memes]

Dick.

[Big Cat]

No. You got no dick and you have all the holes. Terrible place to.

[Dan]

Be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. There's just holes everywhere and no dick in.

[Memes]

Sight. They beat this Jaguars team last year, like a year ago today by a couple touchdowns. And then today you lost by four.

[Big Cat]

Touchdowns.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. Complete regression. So many.

[Dan]

Holes. No.

[Memes]

Dick. No.

[Dan]

Dick. My quarterback. My kingdom for a.

[Big Cat]

Dick. This is a really good jets recap. All the.

[PFT Commenter]

Holes.

[Big Cat]

No. No dick. It just is what it is. Okay, let's get to the afternoon games. Before you do that, P.T. you have two more ads you want to.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Dan]

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[Big Cat]

Rams 41, Lions 34 points. Points. Points. This was Lions. It felt like emptying the clip in the first half and the Rams figuring it out in the second half and then shutting them down defensively. The Rams defense showed up in the second half. The third quarter, Rams had 179 yards to the Lions 5 yards and it was clear that they were like, hey, we're not going to let Jameer Gibbs beat us. Which they didn't. Monroe went off, but the Rams are a scary, scary team because there was multiple times during this game and I said this on Friday, there is no, you know, it's the old Damarino. There's no defense for a perfect pass. What Stafford and Puka have going on right now, it just. There's nothing you can do. Like there's you could play perfect defense and Matthew Stafford will still get the ball to Puka. Nakua Nuku will make the.

[Dan]

Catch. Yeah, Niku is, he's playing mad now too. He's running extremely angry when he has the ball. I. I thought that the Rams Looked like the Rams have all season. Matt Stafford had one play that he probably wishes he, he could take.

[Big Cat]

Back.

[Dan]

Yep. That picked Aiden.

[Big Cat]

Hutchinson.

[Dan]

Yep. Which was an incredible play by Hutchinson. And then he got, he got chased down trying to get to the end zone. Ran out of gas a little bit there. But overall I thought that Matt Stafford played like, you know, the perfect Matt Stafford game that he's capable of. And besides like that one game against the Panthers this year, that's kind of what he's done all season long. And yeah, the Rams, the Rams are probably the best team in the nfc, I would.

[Big Cat]

Say. I would.

[Dan]

Agree. I would, I would put them as my number one. I've been going back and forth between them and the.

[Big Cat]

Seahawks. Seahawks too. The Seahawks have looked.

[Dan]

Not. It's the Ranch. Offensively, they're the class of the.

[Big Cat]

Nfc. Yeah. I mean we're going to find out on Thursday night when they play each other. Which I kind of wish this game was not a Thursday night game because it's the two best teams right now record wise in the NFC and you get short rest and it's stupid and it's late in the season. Give us this on Sunday or Monday. But yeah, the, the Rams, I, the scariest part about the Rams is you have the Stafford part where he's been there, done that and like I said, he's playing with like Puka Nakua. They're, they're, they're, they're on a different level in terms of a wide receiver, quarterback, like in lockstep with each other. They can run the ball. Kyron Williams had I think two touchdowns in this game. Blake Corum was running the ball. They have two backs that can run the ball and their defense can turn it on. Like this game was. The Lions were winning this game at halftime. They were up a.

[Dan]

Touchdown. And well, the Rams also, they had a, they had a great drive to end the first half to get a.

[Big Cat]

Field. Field goal.

[Dan]

Yes. Which was.

[Big Cat]

Massive. But, but it was, they were winning this game at half, at halftime lines. And then they come out in the second half and the Rams defense forced three consecutive three and outs and that was it. Like that, that's, that's what they can do to a team. So they, it does feel like they're the most complete team actually probably in the NFL. I mean the Broncos looked incredible today, which we'll talk about, but they, they look like the most complete team in the NFL. And you have the coach quarterback combo that have been there, done that, that you feel pretty confident going into the playoffs. I agree with.

[Dan]

That. I don't think that the Lions are bad at all. I think the Lions are a very good team, and I think that with the Rams defense, they are a very good unit. And you're not going to stop the Lions from scoring points. The Lions are going to get theirs. But they stopped them.

[Big Cat]

Enough.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think the. The Lions beat almost any other team in the NFL if they play like they did.

[Big Cat]

Today. So the Lions don't. They did control their own destiny going into this game. They no longer control their own destiny, but if they win out, they should be in. But you don't.

[Dan]

Know. Yeah. So they get the Steelers, they get at the Vikings, and then at the.

[Big Cat]

Bears. Yeah. So if they. If they went out, it might be the Bears at the Bears expense, because the Bears would probably have to. If the Bears win two of their last three, but lose the Lions, they'll be okay because the Lions can't get to 12.

[Dan]

Wins. But that last game that's going. That's a playoff.

[Big Cat]

Game. Yeah. Well, what happened today is the bare minimum for the Bears is that they will be playing in week 18. It, like, bear, like, if they lose their next two games and the Lions win their extra games, week 18 will be a win and get in. Yep. So the Bears can't be, like, eliminated before week.

[Dan]

18. Yeah. Again, I think the lines are they might end up being. Whoever doesn't make the playoffs in the NFC is going to be a really good.

[Max]

Team. I was just gonna say that guarantees a playoff game because then the week.

[Big Cat]

18. It is. Yes. And hopefully it doesn't get to that because I would like the Bears.

[Dan]

To take care of business before that home playoff game.

[Big Cat]

Though. They have. They have the chance to take care of business before that. But yeah, that. That's. That's what happened.

[Dan]

Today. Home playoff game would be huge for.

[Big Cat]

Chicago.

[Dan]

Yeah. Week.

[Big Cat]

18. And that's the bare minimum if the Bears win the next two games. And that won't be the case for Week 18. But yeah, the Lions are up against it. They have to win it. They have. They have to win their next two games to have that.

[Dan]

Opportunity. Yeah. I think whoever ends up being on the outside, the number eight team in. In the NFC is going to be a very good.

[Big Cat]

Team. Yeah. It's.

[Dan]

Crazy. Looking at the nfc, it's going to be either the. The Lions, the Packers, the.

[Big Cat]

Niners. I mean, the. The Niners are. Well, the Niners could be the one seed. Yeah. If the Seahawks beat the Rams on Thursday night, the. The The. I'm pretty sure the Niners control their own destiny for the one seed coach of the year, Kyle.

[Dan]

Shanahan. I think so that's probably not a bad.

[Big Cat]

Bet. I think it's got to be Liam Cohen, Rabel or Ben.

[Dan]

Johnson. But if. If the Seahawks beat the Rams on Thursday Night.

[Big Cat]

Football.

[Dan]

Yeah. And then the Niners win out and they get the 1 seed overall. After everything the Niners have been through, I feel like Kyle Shanahan would.

[Big Cat]

Be. But you know how the coach of the year.

[Dan]

Works. I.

[Big Cat]

Do. It's. It's a team that wasn't supposed to be good that has a newer.

[Dan]

Coach. But counterpoint for Kyle Shanahan. He's never won coach of the.

[Big Cat]

Year. He.

[Dan]

Hasn'T? No. That's a big narrative.

[Big Cat]

Too.

[Dan]

Okay. That. That would be. If they finished with the one scene. I feel like they'd have to give it to.

[Big Cat]

Him. Yeah. I just think they always give it to the team that just completely over performs expectations and is a newer. Like the.

[Dan]

Last.

[Big Cat]

Let's. Let's go back. So Kevin O' Connell won it last year. That was for 14 win team. Newer coach Kevin Stefanski won it because The Browns won 11 games. Brian Dable won it nine and seven. That was another one where new coach team that wasn't expected. Rabel won it 2021 with the.

[Dan]

Titans. Number one.

[Big Cat]

Seed. Number one seed. Stefanski with the Browns in 2020. Another one of those situations. Harbaugh's the last guy who's like was established for a very long time. He won it in 2019 when they were 14. Two the year before that. Matt Nagy similar situation. First year over performs. McVeigh the year before that, first year over performs. So I think it's. It's going to be a T. It's going to be a coach that. That is newer and overperforms. What are the odds on.

[Dan]

Draftkings? You're probably.

[Big Cat]

Right. I think it's got to.

[Dan]

Be. Kyle's probably down there. He's probably like 18 to.

[Max]

1. It's not. It's.

[Big Cat]

Not. It's not. Yeah. But it's got to be some combination of Rabel, Liam Cohen, Ben Johnson. Who am I forgetting? Mike. Maybe Mike McDonald depending.

[Dan]

On. Yeah. I mean you could also make the argument that this is maybe Kyle Shahan's best season as a.

[Big Cat]

Coach. They have. Yeah. Yeah. They've not. We have the Niners game last, but yeah, they're. They're very much alive for the one seed. So the Rams though. The Rams control their Own destiny for the one seed. If they win on Thursday, they're pretty much cruising to it because I think their last two games are the Falcons and the Cardinals, I.

[Dan]

Believe.

[Big Cat]

Yep. So they win on Thursday and it'll be very hard for them not.

[Dan]

To get the one T shirt and hat on.

[Big Cat]

Thursday. T shirt. Is that. Is it? No, it can't be because the Niners. Oh, maybe. No, no. Yeah. You might be right. You might be right. You might be right. If they win. If they win Thursday. No, that can't be right because if the Niners went out and the Rams lose out, the Niners would.

[Dan]

Have. They would have two wins over the.

[Big Cat]

Rams. Yeah, but it doesn't. The Niners would have a better record.

[Dan]

Overall. The. If the Rams beat the Seahawks, they'd be 12 and 4. Right, right. And what are the Niners at right.

[Big Cat]

Now? Oh, no, no, they're 12 and three. They would be 12 and three. The Niners are. Have four.

[Dan]

Losses. Niners have four.

[Big Cat]

Losses. Yeah. So if they. If.

[Dan]

The. So they could get to third.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Right. If the Rams lost their last.

[Dan]

Two games so close to T shirt.

[Big Cat]

Close, it would be driver's seat. Yep. And same goes with the Seahawks, which we could talk about. Seahawks 18, cold 60. Not a. Exactly an inspiring game from the Seahawks, but they got it done. I loved watching this game. We got Phil Rivers down a score late in the.

[Dan]

Game. We got it.

[Big Cat]

Twice. Twice in. I've been gambling a long time for over 20 plus years. I think laddering Phil Rivers to 280 yards might have been the worst bet I've ever made in my.

[Dan]

Life. It made every throw exciting.

[Big Cat]

Though. It made every. I got swept up in the moment. I was so excited to see our guy Phil back out there. He was out there. He ran the offense decently. Well, his mind is obviously still there. He was making checks. He was. He was making the right reads. The arm is not the.

[Dan]

Best. I mean, the way we're talking about. Does sound like a.

[Big Cat]

Grandfather. Ducks. He was throwing ducks every. He was throwing like five yard.

[Dan]

Outdo. He's still very sharp. You know, mentally, he's. He's all there. He still gets.

[Big Cat]

It. He still has his driver's.

[Dan]

License. He's very.

[Big Cat]

Alert. Yeah. Like I call him. And he knows what day it.

[Dan]

Is. He gets around.

[Big Cat]

Great. These things. Yeah, he remembers. He remembers all of his grandkids, birthdays, his. All these things are still.

[Dan]

Happening. His. His rib protector or whatever he was wearing today didn't do him any.

[Big Cat]

Favors. You look like the Michelin it.

[Dan]

Did give him the dad bod body. But I, I cherished every second of Philip Rivers. I cherished every of the 120 yards that he threw for. I loved it. I love seeing him out there when he got excited after throwing that touchdown pass. That was, that was very.

[Big Cat]

Cool. He did the.

[Dan]

Kick. He did kick, did the kick. They flashed to, to the, the pizzeria where he coaches like in that small town and all the kids were watching their coach play football. That's a cool moment. I loved what Philip Rivers played good enough to win this.

[Big Cat]

Game. We found out before that he took some cleats from a trophy.

[Dan]

Case.

[Big Cat]

Yep. So that's, that's what he's wearing. Yeah, he, he, he played good enough. He did everything you would expect a 44 year old Philip Rivers who had not played a football game in 1800 days. 1800 days. Beautiful number by the way. Like that's a, the fact they showed that and it was on the dot. 1800 days. That's pretty.

[Dan]

Cool. He had that one play where he just fell down in the pocket because he got scared and then got up and started running again. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I, I, I hope that we get Philip Rivers for the last three games this season. I hope he finishes healthy, hope he starts next year. I, I think he's probably going to be limited to, to throwing within like 30 yards.

[Big Cat]

Downfield. Let's get him indoors. Listen, let's get him indoors. Let's see what he does indoors. You know that's, it's hard being outside when you're.

[Dan]

Older. Josh Downs had that one, that would have been, he would have been a legend for catching it. It felt like the longest pass in the world that Philip Rivers threw. It was probably like 25 yards downfield. It felt it might, it might as well have been a Hail Mary though. Josh Downs, he just didn't get his head around on.

[Big Cat]

It. The throws he was making where it was like a check down to the far side sideline and he had to put everything into.

[Dan]

It. Everything, Everything. He put his, he put his whole ass into every.

[Big Cat]

Throw.

[Dan]

Everything. For the first pass of the game. I, I was not expecting much after that first.

[Big Cat]

Pass. No, that was immediately, I think I said out loud in the gambling cave, I've made a huge, huge mistake and I think they could have played for another six quarters and I probably wouldn't have gotten.

[Dan]

It. But he figured it out again. He's not the reason why they lost that.

[Big Cat]

Game. No, they lost because, listen, Sam Darnold, the Seattle Offense was bad. They were 2 for 13 on third down, which is 15.4%. That was the lowest percentage on third down for a winning team this year. So they were bad, but they did just enough. JSN was awesome in the second half, ended up with 113 yards. Sam Darnold did have some very nice field goal drives, like big.

[Memes]

Moments.

[Big Cat]

But. Yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know what to think of the Seahawks offense because their defense obviously is very, very good. I don't know what to think of their.

[Dan]

Offense. Yeah. So as it's been a couple.

[Big Cat]

I guess they had a good second half last week against the Falcons, but that was also a kick.

[Dan]

Return. As a longtime Sam Darnold defender. Sam Darnold apologist, I. I've started to develop some cracks the last couple.

[Big Cat]

Weeks. So.

[Dan]

You'Re. Last few.

[Big Cat]

Weeks. Are you. You're. You're getting a little scared.

[Dan]

For. We're in. We're in December, and December is not a good thing. Yeah, it's the opposite of Toyota. Thon. He doesn't look great. I would be worried if I was a Seahawks fan about the playoffs. I think that the, the Seahawks are still a very good team. Their defense is incredible. Jason Myers, obviously a great, great kicker, won the game for you today. I would be, I would be worried about Sam's limitations against good teams in the.

[Big Cat]

Playoffs. Yeah, they. Thursday night's gonna just be a massive, massive game because that's, that's the game that if they can get home field advantage, it's like, all right, now you feel a little more comfortable. They only got to win if they get the one seed. You only got to win two games. They're both in.

[Dan]

Seattle. I loved watching Philip Rivers today.

[Big Cat]

Though. It was so much.

[Dan]

Fun. It made me feel like maybe I'm not.

[Big Cat]

40.

[Dan]

Yeah. Philip Rivers is still out there playing.

[Big Cat]

Football. Man, I felt young again. He said, he said afterward, hopefully my sons and those ball players that I'm in charge of at the school, they'll say CR coach wasn't scared. Yeah. Can you actually play the Philip Rivers quote? That it was great. I fucking love.

[Dan]

Him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it just felt like you, you, you. You felt like we had lost. When Phil Rivers retired, we talked about it on the show, how we were losing, like a joy of our NFL Sundays and to get it back, it's almost, it's almost like we watched like, you know, the Rolling Stones or, or when I go see Dead and Company Sphere, you're like, it's not the Same. But it's cool because it kind of. It's. It's in, like, principle. It kind of is. You're kind of watching the same.

[Dan]

Thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You know, it's not the.

[Dan]

Same. I saw Sublime with.

[Big Cat]

Rome. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool. All right. Yeah. Play it. You know, maybe. Maybe it will, I don't know, inspire or. Or teach, you know, not to run or be scared of what may or may not happen happen, you know, hopefully. You know, certainly I think of my sons and those ball players, you know, that I'm in charge of at the school, that they'll say, like, crap, coach wasn't scared. You know, I mean, it's like, shoot, sometimes you. There is doubt, and it's real. And you. Again, you can. You can. The guaranteed safe bet is to. Is to go home or to not go for it. And the other one is, shoot. Let's see what happens, you know? And so, yeah, I hope that in that sense that it can. It can be a positive to some young boys, you know, or young people. Not just me boys, but I think maybe. I love it. He's.

[Dan]

Right. He is.

[Big Cat]

100. Take a.

[Dan]

Risk. I love it.

[Big Cat]

Phil. Take the jump. Phil.

[Dan]

Rivers. I love it. I feel bad for the colts. They started 7:1, then they went savage. Then they went savage, and then they apologized for going savage, and now they're 8 and 6. They need to go 21 against the Niners, the Jaguars, and at the Texans. So, no, it doesn't look great for the Colts. No, it doesn't.

[Big Cat]

Hank. He said it.

[Dan]

Before. Everything looks so.

[Big Cat]

Good. Credit to you.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank. Thank.

[Dan]

You. I don't know what they're gonna do. I was very close to. To having to stop. Swear for the rest of football.

[Big Cat]

Season.

[Dan]

Yeah. Very.

[Big Cat]

Close. And coming in a.

[Dan]

Cup. Well, that's only if I accidentally.

[Big Cat]

Swore. Which you would.

[Dan]

Have. Which I would.

[Big Cat]

Have.

[Dan]

100. Would that have been like. Even if I cussed off the.

[Big Cat]

Podcast, nothing would have been on the podcast. But all it would have had to do is Hank saying one thing. You say, shut the up.

[Dan]

Hank. That's true. You could have baited me into baiting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It would have happened so.

[Dan]

Fast. Yeah. The old double bait. Yeah, it was fun. I hope we get to see it for three more weeks. I hope that Philip Rivers stays healthy. I. I thought that the Colts defense played awesome today. Yeah, they played really well. Six field goals.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[Dan]

Yep. From. From.

[Big Cat]

Myers. Yeah, he was. He was sick. Also, I apologize to Blake Groupie. I put some negative things on his name. He had a 60 yarder, which that was a little. Maybe if you, if you want to nitpick. The Colts, I've never seen a team more play more for a field goal than they did with like, yeah, a minute half left. It was a 60 yarder. They're like, yeah, we're good enough. We're. It's good. We're not even gonna try to get this first.

[Dan]

Down. And then when, when Phil got the ball back at the end of the game, I think Memes was in here watching it with me and I was like, memes, Philip Rivers interception, minus 500 right now. Because they had to try to throw the ball downfield. They had like what, like 20 seconds left in the game. They had to try to get downfield. Philip, he, he put his whole ass into that last throw pretty easily picked up. I'm not counting that as interception against Philip River's name. I'm not going to do.

[Big Cat]

It. Nope. It was great. It was nostalgic. It was fun. We love our grandpa. And they get to play Monday Night.

[Dan]

Football. I love.

[Big Cat]

That. Monday Night Football in Indianapolis. Phil Rivers. Why.

[Dan]

Not? Why not? Why.

[Big Cat]

Not? Why not? Let him play. Don't bring in Riley Leonard. There was someone who pointed out, which I have to agree with, they were like, this is the state of our quarterbacks and what the college game is producing. That a 44 year old Phil Rivers is better than anything.

[Dan]

Else. Yeah, about.

[Big Cat]

That. It's.

[Dan]

Fair. I, I love watching Philip. I hope he plays again. I'm not complaining about Philip Rivers. I think there have to be one or two quarterbacks out there that don't have jobs that are like, what's going on right.

[Big Cat]

Now? Yeah. But it's also because he knows Shane Steichen's offense and he's running it in high.

[Dan]

School. He.

[Big Cat]

Does. Oh, man. So much fun. God damn it, I love him. He looks so big in that.

[Dan]

Jacket. That defense is a mess out.

[Big Cat]

There. He looks.

[Dan]

So. Y' all sorry. Y' all sorry. The kick beat the crud out.

[Big Cat]

Of you doing the kick, Screaming at everyone, throwing a touchdown, laddering it to the moon, never having a shot.

[Dan]

That.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. See the kick. Oh, man, I love him. Oh, it's just so many.

[Dan]

Sundays. You know what it was that.

[Big Cat]

We got to see this guy do.

[Dan]

This? It's. It's seeing, seeing that motion, that arm motion from a quarterback makes me feel that.

[Big Cat]

Things. Yeah, Yeah. I can't remember what it was like in the first half. He slipped one in. That was so perfectly Phil Rivers. That was like a three Yard pass. It was. Oh yeah, that's what Phil.

[Dan]

Does. Always, always slips it.

[Big Cat]

In. I hope his son, I hope his son is awesome. Or one of.

[Dan]

Them.

[Big Cat]

Gunner. All of them.

[Dan]

Gunner. Gunner River. Gunner Rivers is the best college.

[Big Cat]

Quarterback. Texas.

[Dan]

Quarterback. He needs to be Texas Tech's quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay. Next up, Broncos 34, Packers 26. The big news out of this game obviously is Micah Parsons fear dev and ACL tear. Christian Watson also hurt. Bad day. Bad third quarter for the packers that was about as demoralizing as the packers could get in one quarter and it all like they were kind of handling the Broncos and they were up 2413 in that deep shot to Christian Watson that Patrick Surtan picks off because he's nasty. He gets hurt. And then non contact injury for Michael Parsons. The packers are in some deep trouble. Especially because that's. They're all in player. Like that's their all in player. And he might have torn his.

[Dan]

Acl. Yeah, that's a bummer for them. I know. It breaks you up too big.

[Big Cat]

Cap. I wish I could turn injuries.

[Dan]

Off because you want to beat the packers at full strength.

[Big Cat]

Right? Yeah, yeah. If I, if I could say that this game doesn't count, I would. But yeah, unfortunately the game.

[Dan]

Counts. Credit to Bonix. Bonix had his perfect game.

[Big Cat]

Today. He was.

[Dan]

So. 302 yards, four touchdowns, no picks, didn't get sacked a single time.

[Big Cat]

Today. Dude, he was evading everything and, and he's so good at evading and keeping his eyes downfield and hitting guys downfield. And that fourth down throw, which wasn't the game winner because I don't know what happened at the end of the game where the packers just kept on getting the ball back. It was like, it just kept on happening where it was like, oh, the game's over. Oh no, it's not. That fourth down throw on the sideline to Cortland Sutton was so sick. It was, it was, that was a big boy.

[Dan]

Throw. What happened was somehow the packers, they threw a pick with I believe how much time was left in this game. 638 left left. And then the Broncos went three and out. Then the, oh no, they, they turned over on downs, Then the Packers turned over on downs, then the Broncos turn it over on downs, then the packers turned it over on downs. Then it was the end of the game. So it was like punters were not on the field. They were just. Everybody was going for it. It was a great football game. And started off with like a fight before the game too, which you knew that These teams were gonna go out there and like each other up for a little bit. It was a great football.

[Big Cat]

Game.

[Dan]

Yeah. And this was, this is the signature Bonicks win. If this Bonick shows up in the.

[Big Cat]

Playoffs. Oh.

[Dan]

Yeah. Then everybody's in trouble, danger. Everybody's. They're going to beat everybody in the NFL if they get games out of Bonix like.

[Big Cat]

This. And this is. They're now standing alone at the one seed. Hank, are you nervous about the Broncos? Because playing in Mile High is just.

[Dan]

Different.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If they have the one seed I would be.

[Big Cat]

Nervous. They looked good today and Bo Nicks picked it up big time. He was, he was.

[PFT Commenter]

Phenomenal. They're a good.

[Dan]

Team. Very good team. I think, I think they're the best team in football with good.

[Big Cat]

Bow.

[Dan]

Yeah. We get the way Bonix is playing right now.

[Big Cat]

Heisman.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Heisman. Yeah. This is the.

[Memes]

Year. This is the.

[Big Cat]

Year. He's focused, he's determined. The packers are in trouble. It feels like there was a. Was I clicking on some of Packers Twitter and seeing the meltdown and seeing the hyperbole of this is sets them back five years which I do not believe it's, it's a pretty significant injury because you again, you're all in. You don't have a draft pick next.

[Dan]

Year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Was I clicking on that? Yeah, maybe I was. Was I. Did I see that one guy, that one Packer fan who had posted a laughing emoji when Roma Dunes A was ruled out at 11:30 this morning and then had that happen? Yeah, I did. But I wish I could turn injuries off. That's what I'll say. I.

[Dan]

Do. That's very.

[Big Cat]

Big. I mean injuries suck. I'm not, I'm actually obviously I'm, I'm. I, I did click on a lot of Packers Twitter and, and just check in on, on my friends was enjoying some reading but, but my honest, the honest truth is like injuries suck and injuries can happen to any team and I'm not like oh yes, Michael Parsons is hurt. Yeah, that's. You're going to get your, your own team's going to get injuries eventually and it will suck and it will be demoralizing. So yeah, the whole thing is.

[Dan]

Shitty. He's just the one guy that you really didn't want. I don't think they're set back five years but I do think that this is like the one guy besides probably Jordan love that if he got hurt you could be like well there goes next.

[Big Cat]

Year. Well, they looked like a true super bowl contending. Team. And Micah Parsons is the biggest part of their defense. And Christian Watson is what made their offense look so explosive. When he came back from his. He gets injured a lot. That sucks for him. He just, you know, obviously got back from the acl. Jordan Love looked good in the first half. He was making the. Jordan Love throws. That throw to Josh Jacobs for the touchdown was insane. But yeah, the. This definitely changes the. It shakes up the.

[Dan]

Nfc. I think maybe my favorite offensive lineman to watch is Quinn.

[Big Cat]

Miners.

[Dan]

Yeah. For the Broncos he was just a bully, just pushing people over. He's a joy to watch on the off when he plays physical. That running game is great. Sean Payton is calling like almost perfect games right now. It's just all about if you get the good bow or the bad.

[Big Cat]

Bow. Yeah, the good bows. Good bow's been here for a little bit. He's been around and the Broncos are like my big. My big thing with the Broncos was that they were toying with a lot of bad teams. But the last couple of weeks are starting to put together those complete games and rounding into form and kind of peeking at the right.

[Dan]

Time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Do you feel. Feel bad about Michael Parsons.

[Max]

Max? Yeah, I like. I don't mind Michael Parsons anymore. He's on the.

[Big Cat]

Cowboys. Yeah, it was. If he was on the Cowboys, would you be cheering for his.

[Max]

Injury? No, I wouldn't be.

[Big Cat]

Cheering. We don't cheer for this.

[Max]

Year. The way you asked me that, I thought it implied that I. That I dislike Michael.

[Big Cat]

Parsons. Would you. If Michael Parsons got hurt while he's on the Cowboys, would you click on some of Cowboys Twitter and just read some of the.

[Max]

Tweets? Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'm. Yeah, you just gotta. You gotta. My job is to. To learn what's going on in the.

[Max]

League. Looking at. I'm having a good time looking at Cowboys Twitter right now. Yeah, Cowboys Twitter's been talking some fucking.

[Dan]

Shit. It's pretty.

[Big Cat]

Good. There's a lot of. There goes the season. Yeah, season's over. No, for Packers Twitter in last week after they beat the Bears, there was a lot of the Bears. There goes the Bears season. So it changes fast. It's week to week.

[Dan]

Leak. And Max, congratulations. I think I already congratulated on you a couple weeks ago. The Philadelphia Eagles will win the NFC East. The first repeat winner of the NFC east since.

[Max]

2005. Still gotta win a.

[Dan]

Football.

[Max]

2006. Still gotta.

[Dan]

Win. We got a hat and T shirt game in D.C. next week. Right. Next.

[Max]

Saturday. Next Saturday will be a hat and T shirt.

[Dan]

Game. It's gonna be the worst day of my sports.

[Big Cat]

Life. You can't. You might shock the.

[Dan]

World. It's gonna be the worst. I'm. I'm being set up.

[Max]

For. It's better for you to lose. It's better for you to lose.

[Dan]

Lose.

[Big Cat]

Why? He's talking about JMU as well.

[Max]

Though. No. Yeah, I'm not talking about talking about.

[Dan]

No. But I'm saying like back to jmu. It's bad. Bad lineup for me. Bad lineup. But if it could be the best day it. Let's go. Let's just go beat or just worry about Jamie. Let's go beat or you worry about.

[Max]

Villanova.

[Memes]

Villanova.

[Max]

Yeah. Villanova's big football game next.

[Big Cat]

Week. Pft. There is that over. There's going to be some overlap. What game? When the Commanders and the Eagles are on and jmu. Yeah. Which game is going to do you want have sound.

[Dan]

Jmu. At what point in the JMU.

[Big Cat]

Game is this going to be right at the beginning because I assume the Bears packers when the Bears packers starts 50 minutes after.

[Dan]

JMU.

[Big Cat]

Okay. So probably go to Bears.

[Dan]

Packers. The Eagles are going to be up 36 to 17. So I want the Commanders sound off and then hopefully JMU gets off to like a 7 nothing lead before everything goes to okay. And then I can have a moment where I'm like, we're actually gonna do.

[Big Cat]

This.

[Dan]

Yeah. And then that's when the Bears come on and I'm gonna bet a lot of money on the Bears game to try to win back some of my joy that I lost in the first two.

[Big Cat]

Games.

[Dan]

Okay. That's my, that's my mega dad for Mega Day on Mega.

[Big Cat]

Days. Gotta be great. We've been calling.

[Max]

It. And then Villanova versus Illinois.

[Big Cat]

State. Oh.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. FCS.

[Dan]

Matters. These two teams don't like each.

[Big Cat]

Other. Mega Day. We've been talking about Mega Day and I pointed out that Mega Day, which we will be streaming all day Saturday, is significantly less games than our usual every single.

[Dan]

Sunday. But it's Meg. In terms of the importance of these games, it is to our personal happiness and mental.

[Big Cat]

Health. Yes, it is mega. Absolutely. Mega Bonix, man. That. Yeah, that fourth quarter throw, man, he's. He's.

[Dan]

Good. He's good, he's.

[Big Cat]

Good. And he, the way he evades and just. He always. He's really fundamentally. He just like keeps his shoulders perfect placement and you know, like when he's. When he's running around in the backfield then he just. He squares up and throws a dart somewhere downfield and they got good players. Like, they got good pass catchers.

[Dan]

Weapons. I liked his line after the game when they were asking about being underdogs. He's like, we're.

[Big Cat]

Overdogs.

[Dan]

Okay. They're overdogs. They don't listen to the underdog.

[Big Cat]

Narrative. Okay, so they're.

[Dan]

Overdogs. So they're making themselves.

[Big Cat]

Overdogs. Got.

[Dan]

It. Which is. Some coaches are like, hey, I would like to be an underdog. Because then you've got that. You don't want that rat.

[Big Cat]

Poison. We're the.

[Dan]

Overdose. Bo Nix is chopping up the lines of rat poison, cutting them with Bocaine, snorting them. Yeah, I'm the bover dog. Get used to.

[Big Cat]

It. Do we have an update on Christian Watson? Because he went to the hospital, which. That is scary. I think I. I feel like he. I don't. I'm not a doctor, but it felt like he might have broken his collarbone, but they said chest, so I don't.

[Dan]

Know. That's not.

[Big Cat]

Good. No. So he went to the hospital. Hopefully he's okay. He is a big. I mean, Matthew Golden's gonna step up, but that's a different player too. Oh, did you guys see the halftime show of the.

[Dan]

Year?

[Big Cat]

No. Mutton.

[Dan]

Busting. Oh, I love mutton.

[Big Cat]

Busting. So we had a sheep being corralled by a dog, a sheepdog, and then a kid on a sheep fall flat on his face. This is all halftime of the Broncos game. It's.

[Dan]

Awesome. I heard that there was a sheep that got away.

[Big Cat]

Too. Yeah, this is the sheep that got away. And look. And. And they're chasing it. But then they brought the. They're like, wait, we have a dog for this? We have a. We have a cattle dog. And the cattle dog comes and he just starts fucking whipping them up, taking care of business. This is all going. Halftime of an NFL.

[Dan]

Game. Dude, that dog's got excellent pursuit. Yeah, look at the.

[Big Cat]

Angles. Dog's going crazy. Dog's getting the sheep back into its spot. And then look at the bottom part of this. There's a kid who comes. I guess he's riding a sheep, and he just falls flat on his face. Oh, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

It. It.

[Big Cat]

All. It was a lot of action for a halftime show of an NFL game. The sheep jumping, hurdling. If I were shadow Broncos mutton busting.

[Dan]

Rocks. If I were to change one thing about mutton busting, I would do the one that has the. The monkey dressed up in the cowboy outfit that's riding on the back of the.

[Big Cat]

Sheepdog.

[Dan]

Yeah. That takes it to. To the best level.

[Big Cat]

Possible. I.

[Dan]

Agree. That's my favorite sporting.

[Max]

Event. I'm all in on this.

[Big Cat]

Sheepdog. Oh, dude. The awesome beast. Yeah. He knew exactly what he.

[Max]

Was. He even slipped a little bit at.

[Big Cat]

First. Yeah.

[Max]

That. That didn't knock him off track at.

[Big Cat]

All. And he. And then he.

[Max]

Just. And then as soon as he does his job, he's just like, lay.

[Big Cat]

Down. I'm good. Good boy. Yeah, good.

[Dan]

Boy. That dog. That dog pays attention to details. That's a slot receiver. That's Austin.

[Big Cat]

Collie. People. People, definitely. And then people get those dogs and they're like, why does my dog have so much energy? That's what that dog should be doing.

[Dan]

Yeah. Every dog, if you own an Australian shepherd, a blue heeler, a border collie, you should be just releasing them onto an NFL field at.

[Big Cat]

Halftime. Yeah. Okay. Broncos one seed. They are so next week they have a big game against the Jags, who. And then the Chiefs, obviously, with Gardner, Minshew and Chargers. Chargers could be. Both teams could be set in the playoffs in their spot. Could be meaningless game. Although the Broncos could be playing for the one seed still. Do the Broncos have the tiebreaker against the Patriots, is that.

[Dan]

Right? I believe they do.

[PFT Commenter]

Right? They.

[Big Cat]

Do. Okay.

[Dan]

So. So the road right now goes through.

[Big Cat]

Denver. The road goes through Denver. Unless they slip up. The road goes through. Tough. Tough place to play. Yeah. That's a. That's a really good complete football team. I. The Broncos being good again, is. It's. It's fun. I. There's something about games at Denver that just feel different and.

[Dan]

Just. They're fun to watch, especially if they have. If they're wearing the throwback uniforms.

[Big Cat]

Too. Yeah. Back to back playoffs. I think it's the first time. I mean, they're. They're going to win the AFC west for the first time in a long. Since what, 2015?

[Dan]

Probably. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Peyton. That's got to be.

[Dan]

It. And so right now, it would be the Texans or. No, 2014, it'd be the Texans at the Patriots. It would be the Bills at the.

[Big Cat]

Jaguars. What was that? Facing a big, tough game. They're all tough games. Yeah, Playoffs games. Playoffs are tough games. What would the NFC be right.

[Dan]

Now? NFC would be packers at Bears right.

[Big Cat]

Now. Okay. No. 49ers. Bears. 49ers. What? Oh, no, you're right. You're.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Packers.

[Dan]

Bears. It would be packers at Bears. It'd be 49ers at.

[Big Cat]

Eagles. Ooh, Brock Purdy.

[Dan]

Revenge. Little.

[Max]

Throwback. That'd be a good game. That'll be a good football.

[Dan]

Game. Are you scared of the.

[Max]

49Ers? I respect.

[Big Cat]

Everyone. Yeah, that's a good answer. I respect everyone out of.

[Max]

Everyone. I respect the.

[Dan]

Commanders. Yeah, you.

[Big Cat]

Shouldn'T. I don't know. Well, let's talk about them. I don't. I don't know if I respect the Panthers, if they're favorites. Saints 20, Panthers 17. Panthers as favorites yet again, do not win or cover. They're Owen 12 in their last 12 games as favorites. They haven't won or covered as a favorite since 2022. Stop making them.

[Dan]

Favorites. You're doing them a.

[Big Cat]

Disservice. They got shucked. Tyler shocked, dude. Something about him. I'm telling you, the Saints, like, the Saints were in the running this season for being worst team. They were most lost team. They were the team that, like, oh, they have no future. Tyler Shock might be the Might might be the real deal. And their defense is balling out. Kellen Moore seems like a good coach. Like the Saints should get in the playoffs. They beat the Bucks in the. In the Panthers. And back to back tweaks. Yeah, that's one. And the Panthers twice now. I know. They should get. They should win the NFC South. They should get the NFC.

[Dan]

South. Yeah. If you get. If you go perfect in your division, you should win that.

[Big Cat]

Division. They lost the Bucks.

[Dan]

Earlier. I know, but if pre Shock. Yeah, it's pre.

[Big Cat]

Sh. Everything post shuck should count. They shuck should be a playoff quarterback this.

[Dan]

Year. Agreed. Agreed. Chuck. Now he. He passed Spencer Rattler. He is now the. The Saints rookie record holder for. For quarterbacks in terms of yards. And Charlie Smith, their place kicker after the game. He won the game for him. Demario Davis came up to the interview and goes, they should make a movie about this guy. And I, I looked into Charlie Smith's career, where he came from. I agree with Demario.

[Big Cat]

Davis.

[Dan]

Okay. Probably should. So Demario Davis first kicked in American football on August 22.

[Big Cat]

2023. That's.

[Dan]

Crazy. Yeah, like two and a half years.

[Big Cat]

Ago. So.

[Dan]

He'S. He's from Ireland. He was a Gaelic football player. He was a goaltender. And he would just go out and like, kick the Gaelic football over the uprights. And he would do that for fun. He'd watch NFL, he'd watch Red Zone. He'd be like, I'd like to do this one day. He sent an email to inquiriesfl.com back in 2019. I don't think anybody responds to that email address. Yeah, but he was Just like, hey, how do I become an NFL place kicker? Because I think I'd be good at.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Dan]

Yep. Didn't hear back from anybody. He finally got into the international program or whatever back in 2023. And then he first kicked on August 22, 2023. Then he gets in against the Dolphins, hits a 56 yarder, recovers his own onside.

[Big Cat]

Kick.

[Dan]

Kick. And then he kicks a game.

[Big Cat]

Winner. This guy.

[Dan]

Rock. This guy rocks. Charlie Smith is a.

[Big Cat]

Legend. That's.

[Dan]

Awesome. And I can't help but think maybe some. Some Tyler Shucks rubbing off on him. Dude, this Tyler Shucks shockster, he's. He's really fun to.

[Big Cat]

Watch. He's. He's starting to look like the guy. Chase Young said that. Starting to look like the.

[Dan]

Guy. He's whipping that.

[Max]

Arm. He has the most wins in this quarterback.

[Big Cat]

Class. I.

[Dan]

Know.

[Max]

Yeah. Started six weeks.

[Big Cat]

Ago. His three career.

[Dan]

Wins. There's something about shot there.

[Big Cat]

Dude. He throws a catchable ball, he makes plays. He gets better as the game goes on. He had the game winning drive, like two. Well, two of them either. On. They're on 1710. Takes him down the field. Touchdown. And then gets the ball back. Perfectly. Perfectly. Baited them into that flag.

[Dan]

Too. Oh, on the.

[Big Cat]

Slide. Yeah, on the slide. With 12 seconds left, the shockster. Man, Saints are like. If you're a Saints fan, you have something to look forward.

[Dan]

To. You know what he is? Shuck's.

[Big Cat]

Twitchy.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's got those fast feet and.

[Big Cat]

Hips. I maintain if people knew how to pronounce his name, I think he'd be a bigger deal. I really.

[Dan]

Do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's just the fact that his name doesn't make any sense.

[Max]

Still. I feel like when we had Mel Kuiper on last year before the draft, he was saying that Tyler Schuck.

[Big Cat]

Was going to be really good or not to say, but Todd.

[Max]

McShay. Yeah, I remember that specifically. I was like, all right, Tyler.

[Dan]

Shook. I think Tyler Schuck might have been the guy that made Mel Kuiper.

[Big Cat]

Cry. Yeah, it might have been.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Dan]

Yeah. When Shuck got drafted. Mel Kiper. What are we.

[Big Cat]

Doing? Yeah, Zach, your team got a nice bounce from this. They went. The bucks went from 53% to 76% with this loss. If they win next week, they have a 95 chance of making the playoffs. They just. They just keep locking into these.

[Dan]

Things. I think if the regular season was 25 games long, I think the Saints win the Super.

[Big Cat]

Bowl. Yeah, I'd.

[Dan]

Agree. Yeah, that did feel like that.

[Memes]

Did feel like a early Christmas gift. It was like, here you.

[Big Cat]

Go. Yeah, well, he punch this one.

[Memes]

Up. Let's get you guys to the.

[Big Cat]

Playoffs. It's the Stephen Shea effect. You could count the Bucks out a million times and then things will just keep happening that put the Bucks in a better position. They're going to win the NFC south and he's going to say dominance.

[Dan]

Continues. Did it feel dirty rooting for the Saints?

[Big Cat]

Yes. You got to root for what you.

[Memes]

Got. I did it.

[Big Cat]

Wholeheartedly. Yes. Yeah.

[Memes]

Yeah. I shouldn't have, but I.

[Big Cat]

Did. Because we're trying to get in, boys. Yeah. Trying to get in. Okay, last game, Titans or. Sorry, we'll do Sunday football real quick, but. 49ers 37, Titans 24. The 49ers are better than.

[Memes]

Titans.

[Big Cat]

They. That's.

[Dan]

It. Yeah. George Kittle looked awesome.

[Big Cat]

Today. George Kittle looked awesome. He had a really good quote too about Brock Purdy. After the game. He said, he's that Jesus Christ lizard running on water. No ball security fake, pitching at the end of a 40 yard run. Absolutely. Just diabolical by behavior by our QB1. I love it. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Lizard. The Jesus Christ lizard. I think there is a Jesus lizard. It's the one that does sprint across the.

[Max]

Water.

[Big Cat]

Water. Yeah, that's. That's what he.

[Dan]

Is. That's what Brock pie is. The 49ers look really good. The Titans. I think there's enough that you can watch from the Titans if you're a Titans fan, where you're like, well, we didn't get our ass kicked that bad today. Cam Ward had a couple nice throws, by the way. Thank you to Kyle Shanahan for kicking that field.

[Big Cat]

Goal.

[Dan]

Yes. The.

[Big Cat]

Game.

[Dan]

Yes. Good stuff, Kyle. We appreciate it. That's why you are my coach of the.

[PFT Commenter]

Year.

[Dan]

Yep. This year that was a massive field goal. But yeah, the 49ers, they are. They're a legitimately, really good.

[Big Cat]

Team. Yeah. And we did have a weird story with Brandon Iuk being put on the reserve list. Reserve slash, left squad list. And they asked Kyle Shanahan about it afterwards. He said, we haven't seen him in forever. That's the decision they made. It's been pretty simple for me. I haven't seen him in a.

[Dan]

Month.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So that's.

[Dan]

Weird. Very.

[Big Cat]

Weird. Brock Purdy looks good though. Again, like that. He had that one game was against the Panthers where he threw all those picks and they still won, I think. But now he's back to like Brock Purdy being efficient, scrambling, doing his thing, hitting.

[Dan]

Guys. I think he's probably healthy.

[Big Cat]

Now. Yeah. Yeah. This is the 49ers. Like, people aren't talking about the 49ers, but the 49ers. If the Seahawks beat the Rams on Thursday Night football and the 49ers win out, they will be the 1.

[Dan]

Seed.

[Big Cat]

Yep. So that's something that just isn't like, I don't think it's been on a lot of people's radar because of how good the Rams in the Seahawks have been all.

[Dan]

Year. Yeah, they've been. The 49ers are sneaking up on people right now, and They've got Christian McCaffrey playing really good, Brock Purdy, and a good backup to Brock Purdy and Mack just in case something happens to him. I, I really, really think that Kyle Shanahan's done a great job this.

[Big Cat]

Year. Yeah. The three losses that the 49ers have had have been all to playoff teams. Jaguars, Texans.

[Dan]

Rams.

[Big Cat]

They're. They're a good team. And they're. And. And not. They definitely are sneaking up on people. I've been, I've been watching them, but because of the seating and all that stuff. But I feel like if you went around, you ask people like, oh, who's gonna win the NFC West, 49ers still.

[Dan]

Can. It's because they went win, loss, win, loss, win, loss, win, loss. And so nobody was in that middle stretch taking that seriously, but they stacked three at the start of the season and now they're on another four game winning streak right now and their health.

[Big Cat]

Is. And their schedule has broken their way a little.

[Dan]

Bit. Yeah. But the, the IUK stuff is very strange. I don't think it impacts the team at all because he hasn't been there. That sounds like it's going to be one of those cases where the team's gonna be like, yeah, we're actually not going to pay you. And the players gonna be like.

[Big Cat]

Fair. Yeah, Yeah. I didn't show.

[Dan]

Up. I really haven't. I can't file a grievance because I haven't done.

[Big Cat]

Anything. Yeah. Okay, last one. Rollback question. Rhobac.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. Do you guys remember like two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago when the Cowboys were the scariest team in the football? That was funny. They just lost the vikings. They got nine. Was awesome. J.J. mcCarthy looked like he had full control of the offense. He did a very good Job that's gotta ease Vikings fans a little bit to remember that. Hey, he's still young. He's still figuring it out because he just went into Dallas and he played outside of that first, you know, interception. He played a very, very good.

[Dan]

Game. He was just trying to make.

[Big Cat]

A play though and he gritted it in the.

[Dan]

End. He gritty. That's. That's got to be the most demoralizing thing when. When nine is hitting you from a. From five yards out with a gritty on a naked.

[Big Cat]

Bootleg. That was the Peyton Manning naked boot. That happened in.

[Dan]

Dallas. It was. That play works every time by the way in Dallas. It should especially. Yeah. The Cowboys tough break for them. Not. Not really gonna be too upset about the Dallas Cowboys not making the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

No. So they're. They're out.

[Max]

Right? Max, no magic number is.

[Big Cat]

One. One.

[Max]

Loss. They either one loss by the Cowboys or one win by the.

[Dan]

Eagles. The Cowboys have to win out. They got to beat the Chargers, the Commanders and the Giants which they could. The Cowboys could win out. I wouldn't be shocked. Like the Chargers I think are better team than them. But there's a chance. And then the Eagles have the commanders. Bills, Bills, Commanders.

[Big Cat]

Commanders. They just gotta win one on the.

[Dan]

Mandarin. I think you might take one.

[Big Cat]

Against. What if you kept him.

[Dan]

Out? Split home and.

[Big Cat]

Home. What if you kept him.

[Dan]

Out? What if we.

[Max]

Did? That would be.

[Dan]

Crazy. You.

[Big Cat]

Know. What if we.

[Dan]

Nuts. I would. I would make a T shirt and hat for.

[Big Cat]

Myself. I have to.

[Dan]

Yeah. Stop. It would just be for the streak of back to back division.

[Big Cat]

Champions. But the.

[Max]

Problem. It would just be making a T shirt and hat for the.

[Dan]

Cowboys. No, but it'd be a Cowboys. No it would be for the NFC.

[Max]

East. It would be like you would be every. You would be so excited for the.

[Dan]

Cowboys. It would be a. It would be a list of division.

[Big Cat]

Champions. By the way, the Cowboys back.

[Dan]

To back to back to.

[Max]

Back. Also the.

[Dan]

Cowboys no repeat champion NFC.

[Big Cat]

Beast. Yep. Has anyone. So yeah, the. The Vikings like looked good Cowboys. It was funny that we had that. I. I think it really is about the fact that the Cowboys. That's why we were all poison pilled by. Oh my God, the Cowboys are so.

[Dan]

Dangerous. It was because they were. They were buried. They were left for dead before the season started after the whole Micah Parsons thing happened. And so nobody expected shit from.

[Big Cat]

Them. And they beat the Chiefs on Thanksgiving day in the most watched regular season game ever. But yeah, they're not. They're not scary. Is there something their defense still.

[Dan]

Stinks. Is there something wrong with Brandon.

[Big Cat]

Aubrey? Brandon Aubrey missed a field goal twice. Twice. Two field goals tonight and George Pickens was. I bet you George Pickens wishes that the season ended after Thanksgiving because he would have made a lot of money because the last two games have not been great. The Lions game in this game.

[Dan]

Yet a tough one again.

[Big Cat]

Tonight. So he's probably like hey George, we got a. Remember you're in a contract year dude. Try really.

[Dan]

Hard. I think he'll probably have. He'll. He'll go off one of these last three.

[Big Cat]

Games. I don't.

[Dan]

Know.

[Big Cat]

Probably.

[Dan]

Yeah. Okay. Christmas Day. Christmas day. George Pickens, two touchdowns, 140.

[Big Cat]

Yards. Who they playing Christmas.

[Dan]

Day? Like Commanders. Oh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Why don't.

[Max]

You. You could keep them out of the playoffs. Why don't you just beat.

[Big Cat]

Them? Well, no, because you're going to beat the Commanders next week. So that would keep the Cowboys out of the playoffs. Yeah, but no but Cowboys can't get in the.

[Dan]

Playoffs. Commanders wild card Commanders are going to beat the Eagles next week and then the Eagles are going to lose to the Bills and then the Commanders will beat the Eagles again, keeping the Eagles out of the playoffs and retaining the NFCE streak of no back to back division champions which you are proud of for divisional pride. Listen, it's. There's not a lot that I have to be proud of so I got to take it where I can get it. And when you look at that graphic it's like 99 Cowboys and Eagles and then like I think we pop up twice on that.

[Big Cat]

Graphic. I don't think the Cowboys can get it as a wild card. They.

[Max]

May. They.

[Dan]

Cannot. They can't. They got to win the.

[Big Cat]

Division. Well the packers have the same would. If they won nine games the packers and the packers lost out they would have the same record. But I don't.

[Dan]

Know. I think the packers have.

[Big Cat]

The. Well they, they tied.

[Dan]

Right. But I think they have whatever the next tiebreaker.

[Big Cat]

Is. Yeah. Which is the next. Yeah. So.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just. So eliminate them next week.

[Dan]

Max. Listen, everybody gets nine.

[Big Cat]

Sometimes. Dude, he looked.

[Dan]

Good. Nine's on a roll right.

[Big Cat]

Now. That does. This is, this is a testament to like playing hard throughout the skit. Like if you're a Vikings fan you were pretty down the last two months. But a night like tonight and depending on how if they can play spoiler in the last three weeks to some of their they play the Lions and the packers some of their division foes like you could have a little momentum with.

[Dan]

Nine. So the Vikings are officially.

[Big Cat]

Eliminated. Yeah, they've been eliminated. They were eliminated before this.

[Dan]

Game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And they went in and did their thing. Congrats to them. Okay, should we do who's Back of the Week and send everyone on their way? Who's back of the Week is brought to you by Twisted Tea. Twisted tea is the perfect beverage to keep the good times going this holiday season. Whether you're in charge of drinks for your family's holiday party, heading to the hometown dive bars to stay warm during your time off, or hitting a late, late season game, Twisted tea is there to turn your holiday season up a notch and make a good time, a great time. We love twisted tea. Love drinking twisted tea. I had actually twisted tea on Saturday night. Went to a holiday party. It was great time. Little. Little half and half action with the twisted tea. It's great, too, because they just go down smooth. You can chill out, have a twisted tea. You're not burping the whole time. I love twisted tea. So make sure you grab a few cases of twisted tea this season. Whatever you do, keep it twisted. With twisted Tea. Hank, your who's back of the.

[PFT Commenter]

Week? My who's back of the week is John.

[Dan]

Cena.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He had his. You watched last match.

[Big Cat]

Ever. Oh, you're doing.

[PFT Commenter]

Quotes. Yeah, he's back. Last match.

[Big Cat]

Ever. You don't think he's.

[PFT Commenter]

Ever. He did a whole press story, said this is it. 100%. No doubt about it. Last match.

[Dan]

Ever.

[Big Cat]

He's. What are you laughing about?

[PFT Commenter]

Memes.

[Memes]

He's. Zach's. Zach's been scrambling for who's back, and Hank just took.

[Big Cat]

His. Oh.

[Max]

No. He's had a couple that have been talked about throughout the.

[Big Cat]

Show. And then we got. We.

[Max]

Got. It's okay. We got. We gave him another one.

[PFT Commenter]

We. He's got.

[Dan]

Another. Or.

[Max]

Memes. Gave him another.

[PFT Commenter]

One. But yeah, so he's notorious for never tapping. That's like his whole thing. That's what he built his brand on. And in his last match ever, he gave up, tapped out, lost. So he's gonna be back because he has to come back to avenge.

[Dan]

That. He has to avenge the tap out. Yeah. Do you. Do you agree with the fans that were saying you Triple H for having him lose his last match like.

[Big Cat]

That?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean.

[Dan]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The WWE is all. It's fan.

[Big Cat]

Service.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like little kids, you know, how are you gonna have a guy that's like the most inspirational figure known for not tapping out and go out by tapping out? Like, what message does that.

[Dan]

Send? That's a good.

[PFT Commenter]

Point. It's. It makes no.

[Big Cat]

Sense. You're.

[Dan]

Right. So did he destroy his legacy.

[PFT Commenter]

The only way it can make sense if he comes back like it was the ultimate, whatever you call.

[Dan]

It. Why did he say he was.

[Big Cat]

Retiring? I think he. He's just.

[Dan]

Done. He was just acting. He wants to just act.

[Big Cat]

More. Yeah. He's.

[PFT Commenter]

Old. He's got hair.

[Dan]

Now. Sorry.

[Big Cat]

Hair? Yeah. What? He's got hair? Yeah. He does have hair. Yeah. Jerry's son said that he. Jerry said that his son was crying so hard he got. He got a fever. I don't think that's how fevers work. That's what he said. He was crying so much about John Cena retiring that he got a.

[PFT Commenter]

Fever. John Cena.

[Big Cat]

Tapping?

[Dan]

Yeah. John Cena tapping made his son.

[Big Cat]

Cry? Yeah. His four year old son get a.

[Dan]

Fever. It is honestly a bad message that he send kids. Like, if life gets hard, do you want to tap out? Raise your son to be a Philip Rivers, not a John.

[PFT Commenter]

Cena? Well, yeah. And if you went out, you know, coming back from against all odds and winning and that was his final, final send off, like that's a, that's a good message. It makes no sense. Which leads me to believe he's undoubtedly coming back over the next six.

[Dan]

Months. Now, what about the people that paid like $5,000 to see John Cena's last match? What's the appropriate amount of time that you have to wait if you're John Cena to do the John Cena.

[Big Cat]

Comeback? I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

Know. Probably whenever their next like big pay per view.

[Big Cat]

Is.

[Dan]

Yeah. If they did it like in five months, people be.

[PFT Commenter]

Mad. SummerSlam. I don't really know the.

[Big Cat]

Wwe. I mean, he'll come back, but he won't be back for a while. I would.

[PFT Commenter]

Imagine. I would say within a calendar.

[Big Cat]

Year.

[Dan]

Okay. Within a calendar.

[PFT Commenter]

Year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okay, Call your.

[Dan]

Shot. A calendar year.

[Big Cat]

Of. Sounds like you're hating on wrestling a little.

[PFT Commenter]

Bit. I'm not hating on wrestling. I just like it. He did the whole press or being like this is 100. It. It's my last match. If it was, he would not have.

[Big Cat]

Lost. You're not. But also you can't have him. Did he have a belt going into it? You can't have him retire with a.

[PFT Commenter]

Belt. He must not.

[Big Cat]

Have. He must not.

[Dan]

Have. Wait, now I'm confused again about calendar year. You said within a calendar year of right now calendar year. So what would that mean in the next two.

[Big Cat]

Weeks? Two weeks next calendar year. He'll be.

[Dan]

Back. Back next calendar.

[Big Cat]

Year. That makes.

[Dan]

Sense. 20.

[Big Cat]

26. That makes perfect sense. Okay, good. Who's.

[Dan]

Back?

[Big Cat]

Thanks. Yeah. You.

[PFT Commenter]

Good? I'm.

[Big Cat]

Great.

[Dan]

Great. We.

[Big Cat]

Good? Yeah, we're.

[Dan]

Good. We're.

[PFT Commenter]

Good. Never.

[Big Cat]

Bad. I just think it had been a while since you lost a game, so we hadn't had a situation yet for a.

[PFT Commenter]

While. There was no situation. We're.

[Dan]

Good. It was a minor.

[Max]

Situation. I have a.

[Dan]

Question. Yeah, good.

[Max]

Question. Did you think when we were doing that whole it's so fun to play the Raiders thing, did you think that was going to come to you at any.

[Big Cat]

Point?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You. You.

[Big Cat]

Just. You shunned it?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I was not gonna bring that up.

[Dan]

Myself. I kept bringing it up specifically for that.

[PFT Commenter]

Reason. What was I. What would you, what would I have butted in and said, no, no, no credit to.

[Dan]

Us. I was just talking to Max about how awesome it was to play the Raiders today.

[Max]

Day. Yeah, it was. It was.

[Dan]

Good. And Big Cat, when you played the Raiders, that was awesome.

[Big Cat]

Too. Yeah, we.

[Dan]

Won. And Marcus Mario went off against the.

[Max]

Raiders. I also didn't bring up that the Panthers also lost today, which means. Which was another one of the winning teams.

[Big Cat]

That. So how many winning teams have they.

[Max]

Beaten? They've beaten one. They're. They're currently one and two against winning.

[Dan]

Teams. But that team that they beat with a winning record, avenge their.

[Big Cat]

Loss. But not the.

[Dan]

Torch. But.

[Max]

Not. Not the.

[Big Cat]

Torch. Not the.

[Max]

Torch. But you play. You play. You.

[Dan]

Play. Last Friday's part of my take. If you think he's going to talk about the fucking Torch again, there's a. There's a little button on your.

[Big Cat]

Phone that I think it's a little premature to say. The Torch. You said the Torches passed in, like, what, September or early October? That feels premature. It was.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. I was.

[Big Cat]

Correct. Well, no, you have to win the.

[PFT Commenter]

Division.

[Big Cat]

True.

[Max]

Yeah. What if you guys like playing.

[Big Cat]

The playoffs, Then the Torch game, that would be a torch. That will 100% be a.

[Max]

Torch. That would have to be a.

[PFT Commenter]

Torch. We're worried about the. We're worried about the Ravens right now. I.

[Big Cat]

I. You'd have to make that a torch.

[PFT Commenter]

Game.

[Dan]

Ravens. You have to at least think about.

[PFT Commenter]

It.

[Big Cat]

Ravens.

[Dan]

Okay. That would almost be worse if you got the Torch and then gave it back within almost a calendar.

[Big Cat]

Year. Isn't it crazy, though, Hank? Like, losing a game, you, you just then see everything differently, where you're like, oh, shit, every team looks scary.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. Yeah, no.

[Max]

It'S.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's not A. Not a fun spot to be in the. The. It's gonna be a long couple months. Buckle.

[Dan]

Up. But this is.

[PFT Commenter]

What. Drop.

[Dan]

In. This is the time of year that you, like, historically, actually start playing football. Like, football doesn't matter until.

[PFT Commenter]

Late. Yeah. Wake me up when the playoffs start. Strap in. I would rather have an extra, you know, week of sleep, but that's.

[Big Cat]

Fine. Is there a chance there could be a team that makes the AFC playoffs with the losing.

[Dan]

Record? Maybe the Ravens.

[Big Cat]

Still? That would be.

[Dan]

Hilarious. I think the Ravens could.

[Big Cat]

Go. I guess they wouldn't play each other unless the. Unless the Patriots got the wild.

[Dan]

Card. I think they could go 8 and.

[Big Cat]

9. Yeah. Okay. Psy. Your who's.

[Dan]

Back? My who's back is the Heisman.

[Big Cat]

Trophy. Yes. That was gonna be.

[Dan]

Mine. Mendoza wins the Heisman Trophy. Diego Pavia did not win the Heisman Trophy. He may have acted like he won the Heisman Trophy.

[Big Cat]

Afterwards. Yeah, I was gonna do who's.

[PFT Commenter]

Back. Johnny.

[Dan]

Manziel.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But Johnny Manzo won.

[Dan]

It. Yeah. Where, like, right after the award was announced. And everything that happened that night reinforced the decision to give it to.

[Big Cat]

Mendoza. Yeah. I like Fernando.

[Dan]

Mendoza. I also like.

[Big Cat]

Pavia. I like Pavia. I thought that was a little lame to do that when you lost the height. Like, Johnny Manziel worked because he won the.

[Dan]

Heisman.

[Big Cat]

Right. And he, like, beat Bama and that stuff. I. Fernando Mendoza seems like the sweetest dude ever. And we even had Albert Breer doing a weird passive aggressive tweet. Did you see that? Yeah. Which made, like, why even tweet that? Basically being like, teams will talk about whether Fernanda Mendoza is too big of a dork to be a good NFL quarterback. I don't if you saw the clip, but also, Andrew, love the clip. After Fernando Mendoza won the Heisman, and he went to the back room, and his entire team was there, and they were so fucking hyped for.

[PFT Commenter]

Him.

[Big Cat]

Him. I'm pretty sure he's a good teammate, and the boys love.

[Dan]

Him. Yeah, he's a great.

[Big Cat]

Teammate.

[Dan]

I. One of my favorite things that I saw from him was they asked him, like, what do you want to do with the trophy after you win it? And what did Pavia say? He said, take it to the club or.

[Big Cat]

Something. No, he's gonna. He's gonna let, like, Theo Vaughn have it in the back of his.

[Dan]

Podcast. I'm gonna give it to Theo Von. And then Mendoza was like, I would like the Heisman Trophy to stay at the University of Indiana Bloomington, because everyone there has Been through thick and thin with this team. The ups and the downs, a lot of downs, and it belongs to the community. And then they're like, well, actually, you get two of them. Yeah. So the school gets one, and then you get one yourself, too. He's like, oh, okay, then I guess I'll have my.

[Big Cat]

Own. Jeremiah Love said he wanted to give it to.

[Dan]

God. I want to give it to.

[Big Cat]

God. And then I'm gonna.

[Dan]

Put. I'm gonna put in the back of Theo Vaughn's.

[Big Cat]

Podcast. Yeah. I was happy for Fernando Mendoza. And, you know, people, it wasn't like, not every year can be. Someone put up Joe Burrow's numbers against Renee. I mean, Joe Burrow, that was maybe the greatest college football season ever. 60 touchdowns. Fernando Mendoza was awesome, and he made big plays and big moments, and Indiana football is the number one football team in the country going into the playoffs. It's crazy. This whole thing is just if. If. If you went in a coma three years ago and woke up, you'd just be like, what the. They. Indiana won the Heisman, and they're the number one team. It makes no sense, but it's awesome for.

[Dan]

Them. Yeah. Notre Dame got left out of the playoffs for Indiana. For.

[Big Cat]

Indiana. That's.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's crazy. But, yeah, you would think that, like, if anything, the. The system would go out of its way to rig it for Notre Dame. It's just completely backwards in college football right now. But listen, I like Pavia because he's. He's a wild card. He's kind of crazy. He says a lot of stuff that he probably will end up regretting, like, after it was over and he was just like, all the.

[Big Cat]

Voters.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, I kind of. I. I like that. It's.

[Big Cat]

Fun. It.

[Dan]

Is. It's interesting having a guy like that.

[Big Cat]

Around.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I think, yeah, Mendoza seems like a great.

[Big Cat]

Guy. Yeah. What are you gonna say.

[Max]

Max? You're not even mentioning, like, the other finalist was Vanderbilt. Like, if you woke up Ohio State and.

[Big Cat]

Vanderbilt.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It would be like, what do you mean? Notre Dame, Ohio State. Yeah. Indiana. And Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt. And the 12 was Indiana. Vanderbilt. It wasn't. It wasn't that close either. And it was. Yeah. Mendoza. What a fucking. I mean, what a season. Indiana. I'm excited for the playoffs, and I do think I. I'm. I'm buying stock in Fernando Mendoza as a pro. I said that to you, remember Memes, like, two months ago. I was like, I think. I think he's. I think he's got it. I Think he's got it the way he's, like, nerds out about football. That's a guy who just loves.

[Dan]

Football.

[Big Cat]

Yep. And talking about football and reading.

[Dan]

Defenses. We're gonna lose Philip Rivers, but we're gonna gain a.

[Big Cat]

Mendoza. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. Okay. My. Who's back of the week NBA Cup. It actually was awesome. Oh, no. Was that yours, Zach? No. You're.

[Memes]

Good. You're.

[Big Cat]

Good. Spurs beat the.

[Memes]

Okc.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Okc. Okc. Second loss in the.

[Max]

Season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Huge loss there. They've just been. And credit to us. I.

[Dan]

Know. I.

[Big Cat]

Know. We got a long way to go in the NBA season, but at least through the first two months, our take that last year's OKC team might be the worst team they have is. They're. They're dominant. But Wemby changes everything. And the NBA cup actually has been pretty cool. Credit to Adam Silver. That was an awesome game. Spurs beat the Grizzlies, and Wemby is. Is a prop.

[Dan]

Problem. Wimby is a huge.

[Big Cat]

Problem. Massive.

[Dan]

Problem. I. I hope. I hope this continues for the rest of the season. He had a minor injury scare, but I got him to win the mvp. Took it week. I think it was the first week of the NBA season. And he's just like, there's no accounting form. You can't. You can't design a system to keep the ball away from Wimby. You can't design a system to. To effectively, like, attack the paint when Wimby's standing there. Yep. He's so. So fun to.

[Big Cat]

Watch. Yep. Hey, you guys remember when I was. When I was like, oh, the Bulls are kind of good, kind of fun. They're so bad. And they lost the Pelicans again today. The Pelicans have five wins on the season, and two of them are to the Bulls. They're so.

[Dan]

Bad. You know who's really.

[Big Cat]

Good? Shot 24% from three and beat the.

[Dan]

Polls. The Pistons are.

[Big Cat]

Awesome. Pistons are very.

[Dan]

Good.

[Big Cat]

Volleyball. Hank. Celtics report.

[PFT Commenter]

Go. Celtics are.

[Big Cat]

Good.

[PFT Commenter]

They're. They're on a good.

[Big Cat]

Streak. Tatum gonna come.

[PFT Commenter]

Back? I don't think so. I don't know. He's been practicing. I think they're 9 and 2 in their last 11 games. A couple games back from the.

[Big Cat]

Knicks. That's pretty.

[PFT Commenter]

Good. Sixes are in third. Playing well. Playing good ball. They beat the Pistons. Beat the Cavs. Got a big one against the Pistons.

[Big Cat]

Tonight. We'll do some maybe basketball previews after the new year. Get, Get. Get everyone geared up for the.

[Dan]

League. You Guys beat the.

[PFT Commenter]

Sixers. Hank, we beat the Sixers in the beginning of the year. I'm telling it would be the Pistons and the Cavs.

[Big Cat]

Recently. How's the Sixers.

[Max]

Doing? They're fine. Tyrese Maxey hasn't played the last two games because he was sick, but Paul George is.

[Big Cat]

Back.

[Max]

Yeah. Embiid had 40 on George, and then Paul George had 35. Tonight they went one and one of those two games, but without Maxi. You'll be all right with.

[Big Cat]

That? Did you guys see that shot Steph Curry made warming up on Friday? That was the craziest shot. It was. He's just. Dude, perfect. Did you see it? Can you pull it.

[PFT Commenter]

Up? The.

[Big Cat]

Real. Yeah, it's very real. There was a whole stance. There was the.

[PFT Commenter]

Whole. Those. Those videos are impossible. There's been so many.

[Big Cat]

Fake. I don't know how this one would be.

[PFT Commenter]

Faked. I.

[Big Cat]

Don'T. You know, I guess. Yeah, you're right. All right. You're right, Hank. I'm. You're right, dude. No. Search Steph Curry shot. You're right. This could very well be AI I could be an idiot. Look at this. The official warriors account posted, I think. I mean, that's.

[Dan]

Stupid. That's.

[Max]

Crazy. That's an old.

[Dan]

Video. Wait, is.

[Big Cat]

That. Is that old? Oh, I bet.

[Dan]

Is. That might be an old video. And it might be a shock that hit the outside of the net. That didn't go in.

[Big Cat]

Because. No, that.

[Dan]

Was. That happened a couple years.

[Big Cat]

Ago. That was. That was Friday night. That was Friday.

[Dan]

Night. He did it.

[Big Cat]

Again. Yeah. It's.

[Max]

Crazy. I don't.

[Big Cat]

Know. I mean, they posted on Friday night, so if the warriors are reposting it. That's lame. I'm gonna say it right now. Bad, warriors.

[Dan]

Bad. It does suck that we're like, wait, which video is this of Steph curry hitting a 140 foot.

[Big Cat]

Shot? And it sucks being like, we don't know if this is real or not. Yeah. Because everything is AI now and nothing. I saw a woman get eaten by an alligator this.

[Dan]

Morning. Like in real life.

[Big Cat]

Or. No. AI Very AI but it's.

[Dan]

Just.

[Big Cat]

It. I don't know why we're making these.

[Dan]

Videos. AI Listen, I think AI is. I. I think it's in hot.

[Big Cat]

Water.

[Dan]

Really? I think AI is on the hot.

[Big Cat]

Seat.

[Dan]

Okay. I feel like this is. We're in a good spot as humanity right now where AI has not been making enough money to justify all the.

[Big Cat]

Investment. Isn't it like, every time they do an. Every time you make an AI Video of like, a fat woman falling through a bridge, like an entire town in Tennessee loses its.

[Dan]

Water. That does happen.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Dan]

Yeah. But it's mostly that at this point, AI is like, there's five companies that make money right now, and they're all in AI and they're trying to sell their AI to businesses. And then every time a business uses AI, their customers are like, hey, what the. The AI sucks. And the business are like, we want to stop paying for this AI. And then all the five companies that are making money are like, oh, what are we going to do to make money now? We owe a lot of money. A lot of people invested in us. I. I feel like AIs in hot.

[Big Cat]

Water. All right.

[Dan]

Good. Hot water. We might beat the.

[Memes]

Robots. All.

[Big Cat]

Right. Did you guys see that robot going up the stairs in.

[Dan]

Pittsburgh?

[Memes]

Fuck.

[Big Cat]

Fuck. These robots. That robot. I would. That robots gonna kill us.

[Dan]

Someday. Well, it's.

[Max]

The. Wait, I'm seeing another angle of this Step Curry thing. It may be. It may be.

[Big Cat]

Real. I. The Warriors. Posting an AI video would be fucked.

[Dan]

Up. That should be against the.

[Big Cat]

Law. That's real. That's an insane.

[Max]

Shot. I think it's.

[Big Cat]

Real. Yeah. He's crazy, man. Man, he's really good at.

[Dan]

Basketball. Remember when we got to root for him when he was on the Olympic.

[Big Cat]

Team? Yeah, that was so much.

[Memes]

Fun. That was.

[Big Cat]

Cool. Zach, you're who's Back of the Week? My hoop Back of the week. This week is going to be.

[Dan]

Branched of the US Military, because we had a couple come together this.

[Big Cat]

Weekend. Oh.

[Dan]

Nice. Army Navy game went down.

[Big Cat]

Great. Army Navy.

[Dan]

Game. I got a.

[Big Cat]

Problem. What's our.

[Dan]

Issue? Pft. Cbs. Okay. Every year I watch the Army Navy game. Every year it's. It's the best flyover of the year. They didn't have a flyover on TV this year. They went to.

[Big Cat]

Commercial.

[Dan]

That's. It's. Everybody loves the Army Navy flyover. You get the helicopters from the army, you get the F18s from the Navy, and they just didn't put them on tv. That's what's going on with that. We used to be a proper.

[Big Cat]

Country. Hey, what's the deal with.

[Dan]

That? What is up with.

[Big Cat]

That?

[Dan]

Who. Who at CBS made that decision? Who's in charge of CBS now? Yeah, I got a bone to pick with.

[Big Cat]

You. I think it was Gary Danielson's last Army Navy game. I think he's retiring at the end of the year. He's a good.

[Dan]

Announcer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Kind of like a classic announcer.

[Dan]

Voice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He got very emotional it was.

[Dan]

Nice. I like when they do the exchange of, of the students that like spent the semester at the other.

[Big Cat]

Place. Yeah.

[Dan]

They. They exchange. Do the prisoners at.

[Big Cat]

Midfield.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's a nice moment. Good coin.

[Big Cat]

Flip. Also shout out. Washington winning the first bowl game. They slipped that one.

[Memes]

In. Wait.

[Big Cat]

What? Oh, yeah. Washington kicked the. Out of Boise. Oh, let's go on Saturday.

[PFT Commenter]

Night. Let's.

[Big Cat]

Go. Huskies did not know that they slipped that one.

[Dan]

In. That's a. That's. I got another problem with that. This Saturday is for. For Army Navy.

[Big Cat]

Only. Yes. Pft. I bet the game and I didn't watch a.

[Max]

Snap. I. I had.

[Dan]

Boise. Oh, oh, also, who's back? The low man trust.

[Big Cat]

Trophy.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because the Heisman Trophy, they get all the ballots in before the Army Navy game with the low man trophy. That is a very important game. To the final low man voting.

[Big Cat]

Tallies. When are we going to do.

[Dan]

It? We're sending the ballots out this week. When should we do.

[Big Cat]

It? I don't know. Good question. We could. Are we doing it on the.

[Dan]

Show? We could.

[Big Cat]

Do. We do. Are we doing our own.

[Dan]

Show? We could do it on part of my take. As part of part of my take. Or we could do it on a live.

[Big Cat]

Stream.

[Dan]

Yeah. Whether it's on Mega Day or if.

[Big Cat]

It'S. Or it could be New Year's.

[Dan]

Day. It could be on New Year's.

[Big Cat]

Day.

[Dan]

Yeah. A New Year's Day.

[Big Cat]

Trophy. Yeah, we do New Year's.

[Dan]

Day. All right, so if you're a low man trophy voter, the ballots will be going out this week. And I gotta be honest, I think there's like probably four fullbacks in the.

[Big Cat]

Country.

[Dan]

Okay. So if you play fullback in college, you are on the watch list for the low man trophy. Now there's tweet us and let.

[Big Cat]

Us know why you should win the low.

[Dan]

Man. No, there's two. There's two.

[Big Cat]

Guys.

[Dan]

Guys. I think it's gonna be a two man race. I don't want to impact the voting, but there's two guys I got my eye on. It's gonna be one of those two that win. But the ballots will go out this week. But yeah, if you play, if you've taken like 40 snaps at the position of fullback, congratulations. You're a finalist for the low man trophy. Put that on your.

[Big Cat]

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[Memes]

3. I got.

[Big Cat]

It. 22. Colton. Colton's in the.

[Dan]

Booth.

[Big Cat]

Colton. Colton's in the booth. Colton. What.

[Dan]

If.

[Big Cat]

Go. Colton. Wait. Memes.

[Memes]

Memes. What's.

[Big Cat]

Up? This is Colton's first. No, you guessed, Colton. Did you guess over? Yeah, he was.

[Memes]

Here. He was.

[Big Cat]

Here. When was.

[Memes]

It? Camp.

[Big Cat]

Week. Oh, camp.

[Dan]

Week. Camp.

[Big Cat]

Week. So you've. You've guessed a couple times. What. What happens if Colton gets. Gets it before you?

[Dan]

Memes. I like Colton, but for.

[Big Cat]

Now.

[Memes]

Yeah. No, I like.

[Dan]

Colton. I mean right now, at this moment. But if he got it, you.

[Memes]

Would. I'd be ecstatic for.

[Dan]

Him. Destroy.

[Big Cat]

Him. Colton. You. Colton. You have to be a little nervous that if you get this, Memes is going to hate your.

[Memes]

Guts. Don't let us. Don't let him tear us apart.

[PFT Commenter]

Here. I'm always nervous about memes hating.

[Big Cat]

Me. That's good, actually. Really good life advice right.

[Dan]

There. Colton, what's your.

[PFT Commenter]

Number?

[Dan]

10.

[Big Cat]

10.

[Memes]

10. I'm rooting for.

[Big Cat]

You. I'm gonna go with two. I'll go with 100 for DJ Moore.

[PFT Commenter]

Eight. I'll go with.

[Memes]

99.

[Dan]

Poke. I'm gonna go nine for nine.

[Max]

44. That's good. That's a good.

[Dan]

One.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Nine.

[Dan]

Nine. You didn't think about.

[Max]

That? I feel good. It's.

[Big Cat]

Probably. It's probably. Hey, close your guess.

[Dan]

22 for.

[Big Cat]

2. 020. Do one more.

[Dan]

Though. Let's do one.

[Big Cat]

More. How close are.

[Max]

We? 20. I say 20 all the.

[Dan]

Time. We gotta be close.

[Max]

Right. 100. Oh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Let me pull that.

[Max]

Up. That's on.

[Big Cat]

Me. I think it's less than.

[Dan]

40. We are 39 guesses away. Probably 38.

[Max]

Now.

[Memes]

Wow. I already guessed it.

[Dan]

Correct. No, you didn't get it. You never got a.

[Memes]

Memes. Yes, I.

[Dan]

Do. Never got a.

[Memes]

Memes. Yes, I.

[Dan]

Do. Never Got a.

[Big Cat]

Memes. 64.

[Memes]

64.

[Big Cat]

Anybody? Anybody? Anybody? AnyBody? 64.

[Dan]

64. It says right here, memes has never won on. On the.

[Big Cat]

Website. Nope, he.

[Dan]

Hasn'T. Career stats.

[Memes]

0.0. It's like you next.

[Dan]

Saturday. Oh, boom. Has never.

[Big Cat]

Won. Be careful. This seems roast.

[Memes]

Time. You're getting sucked. And next time.

[Dan]

That. I'll take the.

[Memes]

Sucking. But you're doing.

[Dan]

Both. I'm. I'm sucking. No, you told me I was getting.

[Memes]

Sucked. No, you're hitting the pterodactyl. That's a great.

[Dan]

Saturday. That's a great Saturday for me. Love you guys. What if we just beat Oregon.

[Big Cat]

Though? You're.

[Dan]

Not. What if we.

[Big Cat]

Did?

[Dan]

Nope. Do you understand how.

[Big Cat]

Cool?

[Dan]

Nope. It'd be the.