NFL Week 17, Fastest 2 Minutes, Christmas Games, Browns Beat Steelers, 49ers/Bears Shootout, Playoff Teams Set + Who's Back Of The Week

Summary

Pardon My Take – NFL Week 17 Recap, Christmas Games, Playoff Picture & Who's Back of the Week

Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Special Guests: Jersey Jerry, Max, Memes
Episode Date: December 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of NFL Week 17, including recaps of the Christmas Day games, key results from across the league, playoff scenarios now in play, and a spirited "Who's Back of the Week" segment. With a bit of a skeleton crew and guest appearances from Jersey Jerry and Max, the guys bring their signature blend of sharp analysis and comedic banter.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

Fastest 2 Minutes – Week 17 Game Recaps

[03:16 – 12:45]

• High-speed, humor-laden summaries of every Week 17 NFL game, featuring classic banter and inside jokes.
• Notable moments: The Vikings upset over the Lions, Texans winning ugly over the Chargers, Patriots’ blowout of the Jets, Browns’ stifling of the Steelers, and the Bears-49ers shootout.

Christmas Day Game Reactions

[13:06 – 23:55]

• Cowboys 30, Commanders 23: PFT (Commanders fan) details the depression of standalone prime-time losses, and the relief of returning to an early-window, low-attention schedule next year.
• Solo viewing in Spain brings the revelation: “The Commanders don’t exist there. People just assumed I was a Cowboys fan” (PFT, 14:39).
• Commanders’ perspective: Season ruined by injuries, but Big Cat and PFT agree four wins (and better draft position) is preferable to “no man’s land.”
• Discussion: Jaden Daniels’ season—injury-prone label unfair, flashes of strong play.

Deep Dives: Team Trends and Coaches

[20:09 – 34:00]

• Brian Flores’ Defensive Masterclass (Vikings):
  • "Last four games: Vikings give up 12 points per game. Flores is just f***ing teams up left and right" (PFT, 20:58).
  • Debate: Why not stick with proven DCs instead of head coaching reboots?
• Lions Collapse: Injury-riddled, but the window isn’t closed.
  • “Not as f***ed as everyone thinks… health, a few moves, they’ll be right back” (PFT, 27:55).
• Dan Campbell Motivation Fuel: Under-dog mentality could propel a bounce-back next season.
• Jared Goff: Still a viable option if offensive line improves.

Playoff Picture & Team Futures

[34:48 – 40:17]

• Broncos Clinch AFC West:
  • PFT: "Fun fact: Since 2010, the only teams to win the AFC West are the Chiefs and Broncos" (34:03).
  • Both hosts confess, “We can’t figure out the Broncos” (PFT, 36:23). Upside is high, floor is a first-round exit.
• AFC: The Year of Chaos
  • "A complete roll of the dice. Any of these teams could make the Super Bowl" (PFT, 39:09).
• Quarterback Personalities:
  • Bo Nix’s fear of dogs sparks a wild philosophical debate: “If you’re scared of dogs, you can’t have that dog in you” (Max, 42:05).

Christmas Week Silliness & QB Gifts

[47:08 – 99:12]

• Quarterback Christmas Gifts: (98:06+)
  • TUA gets his O-line “glow mats”—the team deliberates whether this is the height or the nadir of QB gift-giving.
  • PFT: “We used to be a proper country when quarterbacks bought trucks for their linemen. Now it’s glow mats.”
• Impulse Purchases:
  • The gang accidentally buys a set of “Go Mats” and debates how many uses they’ll get.
• Fantasy Football Drama:
  • Jerry’s meltdown over trade negotiations, creative group texts, and team management gets the full comedic treatment.

Sunday Afternoon & Night Games

[110:47 – 154:39]

• Browns 13, Steelers 6:
  • Jersey Jerry’s full-tilt breakdown, reaches despair (“I don’t care if we lose or win next week”—77:30) but pivots into passionate Tomlin takes and debates DK Metcalf’s status.
  • “Regardless what happens next week, Tomlin’s gotta go. It’s stale.” (Jersey Jerry, 75:19)
• Seahawks 27, Panthers 10:
  • Defensive dominance, Panthers futility, and playoff implications.
• Eagles 13, Bills 12:
  • Max gets defensive about slander; the crew debates whether their criticisms are warranted.
  • “We don’t talk to you about the Eagles—we’re doing stats” (Big Cat, 132:36).
  • Defensive promise, offensive concern, and playoff matchups.
• Bears 38, 49ers 42:
  • “This was an awesome game…one of the best of the year” (PFT, 144:16).
  • High praise for Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson; Bears offense can play with anyone but defense still a liability.

Playoff Scenarios & Next Week Teasers

[154:45 – 162:17]

• Analysis of tiebreakers, wild NFC South possibilities, and which games to watch in the final week.
• “If the Falcons win Monday night, America should root for the Panthers to backdoor the playoffs” (Big Cat, 94:09).

Who's Back of the Week

[163:48 – end]
Roundtable on what’s revived, trending, or in the news:

• Max: Midseason NCAA signing, Baylor basketball, and college transfer madness.
• Memes: Stranger Things, the return and cultural impact.
• PFT: The purchase/mistake of mascot costumes & college football bowl picks.
• Big Cat: The Pop-Tart Bowl’s rise as an appointment-TV event.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Commanders’ Cursed Schedule – [14:01]:
PFT:

"It's my nightmare. Get ready to have a shitload of Commanders games pumped down your throat. Lost all those games—very ugly. At least we covered in this one on Christmas."

On Jared Goff & The Lions – [30:40]:
PFT:

“If you get an offensive line, [Jared Goff] is still a very good quarterback. … His numbers were insane this year. Moving on from him or Dan Campbell is crazy.”

Brian Flores for Defensive Coordinator – [20:55]:
Big Cat:

"Why don’t more defensive coordinators just blitz all the time? I agree. If I’m Flores, I’d just say ‘pay me $5 million a year to be a DC.’”

On AFC Playoff Chaos – [39:09]:
PFT:

“The AFC is a complete roll of the dice. I think every single team is capable of going to the Super Bowl—maybe not the Steelers, but still.”

Jersey Jerry's Steelers Meltdown – [77:30]:
Jersey Jerry:

“I don’t care if we lose or win next week.”
Big Cat:
“Whoa!”
Jersey Jerry:
“No, I mean it. It might be better for Tomlin’s job security if we lose.”

Fantasy Football Text Chain Madness – [178:01]:
PFT:

“Jerry started the text chain with us and our fantasy opponents, torched them, then LEFT THE THREAD—leaving us there… on Christmas night.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:16 – Fastest 2 Minutes starts
• 13:06 – Christmas Day game reactions, Commanders’ season post-mortem
• 20:55 – Brian Flores Defensive Clinic & DC vs. HC career debate
• 27:00 – Lions collapse & 2024 prospects
• 34:48 – Broncos clinch AFC West, AFC wide-open talk
• 47:08 – QB Christmas gifts & glow mat saga
• 75:19 – Jersey Jerry’s Steelers/Coach Tomlin rant
• 110:47 – Sunday late games: Browns-Steelers, Panthers-Seahawks, Bears-49ers
• 132:05 – Eagles-Bills breakdown with Max
• 144:16 – Bears-49ers Shootout analysis
• 154:45 – Playoff seeding scenarios & next week implications
• 163:48 – Who’s Back of the Week

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Tone & Language Notes

• Typical PMT blend of sarcasm, inside jokes, intentional crassness, and fan-driven agony/joy.
• Frequent use of hyperbole (e.g., “loudest, most correct sports takes in history”).
• Banter is self-deprecating and targeted; hosts riff on each other and their teams without mercy.
• Quotes are clipped accurately (with censorship where appropriate), and attributed to the right hosts.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is classic late-season PMT—funny, frantic, and rich with both quality football insight and running in-jokes. From heartfelt (if exasperated) fan reactions to wild playoff what-ifs and purchasing a pile of “glow mats” live on-air, it’s everything a football fan could hope for as the regular season comes down to the wire.

If you want to catch up before Week 18 and understand why the NFC South is going to break everyone’s playoff simulator, this is your playbook.

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Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

Yeah, get in price right now.

[Jersey Jerry]

$187.

[PFT Commenter]

Going to play Renegade.

[Big Cat]

Got to play Renegade.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Jersey Jerry]

Third quarter and maybe two in the fourth. Maybe triple Renegade.

[PFT Commenter]

Triple Renegade.

[Big Cat]

That was really quick too.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

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[Jersey Jerry]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

To the frozen tundra of Lambo we're in a touching tribute to my good friend Josh Allen. Malik. What's his name? Malik Malik Jerry who is quarterback of the Willis Willis. Will his dick fit in your mouth? Where much like lust, drugs or anger was a nice substitute for love. But despite the fact that the packers didn't put the Ravens are still beliebers thanks to Tractor Cito. Break the lumber like I'm at Home Depot Pad level lower than a torpedo now the Browns are my best amigo Tractor Cito and the Ravens are very much alive going into week 18. Baltimore 41, Packers 24 out in LA.

[PFT Commenter]

Where the Texans came out on fire hitting Jaden Tyrone Biggums to crack the scoring. Sorry Jerry, I didn't know you were going to be here when I made that joke. And hitting the Christmas pipes again with a touchdown to Jalen Noel Noel. The Chargers tried to answer but they were up against the full house up front and Candace Cameron Dicker missed two kicks looking at my piggy and saying cut it out. Did Danielle Hunter Daniel Hunter of Men found Justin Herbert time and time again and will probably get sucked off today because of it. Allegedly, of course, according to his wife's Reddit amn. He does get sucked off a lot though. Boom. The Texans and d' amico Ryan Gosling are looking hot, hot hot heading into the playoffs. Texans 20, Chargers 16 we now head to New Jersey where memes was there for the jets and patriots in soggy MetLife.

[Memes]

It was all Patriots as Drake you mumma mum mum mum make me happy had his way with the jets defense as he threw for five touchdowns. Ramondre Steven Stifler's mom said wow that's really great as the jets aren't tackling today as he and Harry and the Travion Hendersons rush for 155 total yards. The Patriots gang banged the jets end zone as Milf Hunter, Henry Austin, Opanya Hooper and Elton Jism all scored touchdowns. The Patriots sealed the AFC east and best record on the podcast under Mike Vrabel. Bottom jeans, boots with the fur. The whole league was looking at her for the first time since 2019 which Mike for Able Bottom jeans beat the patriots as a 6 seed causing Bill Belichick to spiral and date a 20 year old. Finally, Patriots kicker Andrea Bocelli Borealis saying it's time to say goodbye to the jets season.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots 42, Jets 10 thanks memes. We now head to Cleveland where Jersey Jerry Huh huh huh Jersey Jerry Jersey Jerry's here.

[Jersey Jerry]

Mediocre Mike tries to seal the deal in the AFC north but no deal. Liberty Year Shederce Jerry took a whole.

[Big Cat]

Lot of shots and supported Kamala, Harold.

[Jersey Jerry]

Fannin and Alexandria Ocasio Bochakis Chadusty looking like vintage Rutsy Pickin Zapart the Steelers secondary. Too bad Santa wasn't there to save.

[PFT Commenter]

The day with his slay. I'm sure we will hear something in.

[Jersey Jerry]

His press conference like leadership is lonely. I don't run from it, I run to it. The only thing running today was Mike.

[PFT Commenter]

Tomlin running away from a 10 win season. Thanks Jerry. We got a final score.

[Big Cat]

Final score.

[PFT Commenter]

Steelers 6 Browns 1013 13. I like Jerry's boom voice. He just screams that's good Jerry. We now head down down south to Florida where Stephen Chay was at. Huh oh tj. Huh oh his mic's not on. And we go to Miami where the Bucks showed all their vices. Baker Mayfield spent most of the day going to 11. Number 11, Jalen McMillan that is who finished with 114 yards. The Bucs defense led by JBP couldn't quite muster enough of a rush to puncture Quinn Ski viewers who barbecued Tampa's defense all day long. Miami got a big game from Philwise and Grigg Dulcich de Leche, who was stronger than Cuban coffee and ended the Bucks hangover, sending them home with a loss that felt like 15 years ago. 2010. Thank you Stephen. Great job.

[Big Cat]

We go to Nashville in a matchup between the number one quarterback from the 2025 draft and also Cam Ward. The Titans got off to a fast start as Chig Obonquo saw a nice hole in the Saints secondary and caught a Throner. Irish kicker Charlie Smith was a Boondock Saint looking at the Titans fans and saying, you know what?

[PFT Commenter]

You need some rope.

[Big Cat]

Meanwhile, the Saints rookie quarterback was a smash hit on Broadway singing Shock B Tom Brady tonight. And as my good friend Brian Johnson and ACDC would have said if he was there today, they were shaking at the knees. I'm the best since True Breeze. Yeah, them Titans were too kind. You've been thundershock. Yeah yeah yeah Thunder shock Saints Go.

[PFT Commenter]

Marching 3426 in Indianapolis Noted family guy Philip Rivers tried his best to save the Colts when they were at their lowest, but the bar was too high as Jags kicker the Drunken clam Little was 3 for 3 on field goals, quahogging all the scoring. Unfortunately for Phil, he was facing Liam Coen brothers and this is no country for old men because when Rivers opened the door, there were wolves and also ducks floating aimlessly down the field. Jaguars 23, Colts 17 we now head to to Western New York where Max was on the scene.

[Max]

We head over to Buffalo where Willie Madison Shipley received the opening kickoff in a game that was sloppy. I know how you boys like them extra sloppy. As the rain poured down hard for the entirety of the game, it was a defensive battle early highlighted by a by a Jack Jihad Campbell chunky scoop and not score which gave the Birds great field position that led to the Bill secondary say make me sweat, make me hotter. There's a touchdown for Dallas.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Max]

Then the Eagles were able to continue the scoring into the second half as.

[Memes]

Jake it smells goodyit was a lot.

[Max]

Less sticky this week, making two first half field goals in bad conditions. But in the second half it was all Bills as Josh Allen Iverson was able to push push into the end zone twice while saying I'm supposed to be the franchise player and we out here trying to ban this. Listen, we trying to ban this. Not a claim, not a claim, not a claim. We out here trying to ban this when referring to the Tush push. Unfortunately it couldn't complete the two point conversion. Eagles win 13.

[PFT Commenter]

Bills 12 thanks Max. Standing on the corner. Jameis Winston in Hoboken. Such a fine sight to see.

[Big Cat]

It's a dart, my lord. Of work, of art, my lord. A full game without any cte.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on Geno.

[Big Cat]

Another int.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe you should just hang out at the casino. The G Men 34, Raiders 10. Thank you very much to Steven Shea and Jersey Jerry, our beautiful guests. Incredible job, boys. That was the fastest two minutes brought to you by our friends at Chevy. Football season is here, and whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff, there's one ride that's always game ready. It's the Chevy Silverado. The Chevy Silverado is a longtime partner, a pardon my take in our favorite truck, and it's all about grit. From job site to tailgate, Silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task. Built for the hustle. Ready for the game. Silverado is America's most dependable full size truck. For J.D. power 2025 award information, visit jdpower.com award and head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy silverado. Today, week 17 in the books we have, we're taping the first part of this before Sunday night Football, which we will talk about after Sunday night Football. We also are skeleton crew, so it's just me, pft and Memes. As I'm talking right now, Max is finishing up the Eagles game. It's old school.

[Big Cat]

This is going to be heavy on memes. This is gonna be big game. Memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. We, we're gonna need you to put up like 35 minutes here.

[Big Cat]

I really just put up a bunch of shots. Yeah, we don't have to go in.

[Memes]

I'm working with three computers back here.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you're doing, you're manning all of it.

[Memes]

I got the audio, the video, and then I have the lookout computer.

[Big Cat]

I love. You're like Alicia Keys when she did the pianos.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes, could you please look up Sydney Sweeney tits for us, please?

[Memes]

Yes, sir.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Yeah, so it's a little bit of a skeleton crew. Kind of old school. Real ones. Remember when it was just me, Pft and Hank on this podcast? No. No one else. We missed the boys. They'll be back for Friday's show. But let's get into it. We have so much football to recap. We do, spanning many days. We also have a lot of games that mean next to nothing that we can quickly get through. But let's start with the Christmas day games. And you're watching Commanders versus the Cowboys. Cowboys 30, Commanders 23. Yeah, this isn't a game we have to talk about a lot. I, I, I was, I wrote down the, the insult stats, so you didn't have to say it if you wanted to say it. I didn't want to. You can say. Okay. The Commanders finished their eight standalone games this year. 0 and 8, with a point differential of minus 77. I was a mean stat that people were throwing out.

[Big Cat]

It's my nightmare. And I said this, I think over the summer, right after they announced what the schedule was going to be, I said, get ready to have a shitload of Commanders games pumped down your throat. And that always in the back of your head, if you, if you root for a shitty team for long enough, you get terrified. Yeah. Of the standalone games and you tell everybody we're not ready for that. That's how I felt. And then my worst fears were confirmed. All season long, we lost all those games, a lot of them very, very badly. Very ugly games. This was. I guess, at least we covered in this one on Christmas.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So a little insight on this. I was over. I actually did Christmas in Spain this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Espana.

[Big Cat]

Espana.

[PFT Commenter]

Watching Portuguese.

[Big Cat]

They do. They speak Brazilian.

[PFT Commenter]

Brazilian.

[Big Cat]

And I was over there and I was watching the. The game when I was out in public on my phone turned sideways, and nobody over there gives a shit about the NFL. I don't care what Hank says. And three different people came up to me to ask me about the game, and they all just assumed I was a Cowboys fan watching the game. The Commanders don't exist in Spain, even though they just played there.

[PFT Commenter]

That's one of their host countries.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Our second country is Espania.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This game was. It was. Listen, here. Here's the. The good news. The. The other side of that stat. There's a lot of talk this part of the season where, you know, fans of teams are saying, well, now we get a last place schedule. I think more important than a last place schedule is you get a 1pm schedule. Yeah. So you're going to get a 1pm schedule.

[Big Cat]

Keep us out of prime time.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

I'm very uncomfortable being in front of the National. It feels like it's a personal, private thing that, that I usually watch on my own. And I'm, like, secretly embarrassed that I do it. And then when everybody else turns in, they're like, dude, why do you do this?

[PFT Commenter]

Because no one else has anything to talk about on Christmas Day. It's, you know, you've already opened up all the presents. It's, you know, one o', clock, you're sitting there and you're like, all right, I guess we'll watch this football game and if things go poorly, we're going to talk about the team that it's going poorly for. Yep. You're like, leave. Leave me Alone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I thought Bill looked pretty good. He ran the ball pretty effectively. We're back to old school Bill now.

[PFT Commenter]

I started Bill in my. Not that anyone cares about fantasy, but that was a great. It was a great. I picked him up off waivers and then started him.

[Big Cat]

That's a good.

[PFT Commenter]

He looks great. Josh Johnson I think earned the right to maybe get it on a 15th.

[Big Cat]

Team or just bring him back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he played well enough that you're like, hey, this guy could be the third quarterback somewhere else.

[Big Cat]

I would just like Josh Johnson to, to be able to buy a house somewhere. Yeah. Instead of renting a house.

[PFT Commenter]

You're not asking for a lot. He's the third quarterb quarterback. So you guys were. I, I actually thought your, your defense played at least the defensive line. Yeah, they sacked Dak a decent amount. What, what did he end up with? Did he end up with like 6 sacks?

[Big Cat]

I forget how many sacks we had. But yeah, the, the running defense, not great.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And Dak, you know, first half at least Pickens looked pretty good. I think, I think the more damning stat and if you're a fan of a. A team last year that was very successful, you can avert yours. I'm going to try to say all the nice things about the Eagles before Max gets here. So teams with 12 or more wins.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Last season.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

The Chiefs 15 wins. They're not going to be in the playoffs. Eliminated the Lions 15 wins. Not in the playoffs. The Eagles 14 wins. They're the only team that, that has so far clinched or Sorry. The Bills.

[PFT Commenter]

The Bills had 13 wins.

[Big Cat]

The Eagles and the Bills. The Vikings had 14 last year eliminated Commanders had 12 eliminated Ravens. We'll see what happens next week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, the commanders go from 12 wins to who knows how. How many they're going to have. They could climb all the way up I believe to the second spot. But that's very, very unlikely that they do. My guess is that they'll probably end up picking around 6, 5, 5 to 7. I mean is where they'll end up picking. And also Max, I think he already knows this, but since he's not here, I'll just say it anyways. Next week the Commanders do still have a chance. They are mathematically alive for the NFC east divisional tournament. That's take. It's a triple elimination tournament. Huge game that only the Commanders were in. There's a. There's a very good chance we might lose our own made up tournament that doesn't exist that only we had a chance to win. Yeah. That would be. That would be pretty bad. You could put that on the stat that one stats at the end of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the. So you're right now picking seven. All in all, as bad as the season was, Jaden Daniels got hurt. So you can't really say, like, make a proclamation on that. And you didn't end up in that weird, like no man's land of winning seven or eight games, missing the playoffs and having not a great pick.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'll be honest. Like, it's. This year sucked for a lot of different reasons. But ending up and getting a decent pick, that's nothing that I'm like, I'm not heartbroken if we end up with four wins on the season. I'd much rather have four wins than have seven wins. And if you look at Jaden Daniels, he had. He played in four complete games this season. Yeah, four full games. And you can make, you know, the, the accusation of him being injury prone or whatever. That's not. I'm talking about him just playing the game when he was healthy, playing.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's talk about the games.

[Big Cat]

Four full games, seven touchdowns, one pick, one fumble loss. He had a 2 and 2 record, 63 completion, 219 yards per game, 44 rush yards per game, which is about 5 yards per carry. He was not bad. For the people that were saying he was bad this year. Jaden didn't play a bad year. He had a. He had a shitty injury.

[PFT Commenter]

He had a bad year.

[Big Cat]

He had a bad year.

[PFT Commenter]

In terms of injuries.

[Big Cat]

In terms of injuries. So for. For all the. The haters and the losers, of which there are many, I'm still heavily invested in Jaden Daniels and have not given.

[PFT Commenter]

Up, nor should you give up at all. Like, that's. That would be ridiculous. The. Can I. Can I say something about our friend Dan Quinn real quick? Because we do like coach Dan Quinn. He's been a guest on the show a couple times. When you have four wins, I think you got to put the hat forward.

[Big Cat]

I think Dan is not going to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

But I. You know what I mean? Like, when you see the. When you see four wins on Christmas Day, you're like. Or just go, no hat. I don't know. It's not to sound. Go all Colin Coward here. But the hat, the backwards hat becomes fucked up when you're losing.

[Big Cat]

I think he could have gone Santa hat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Would have been nice on Christmas.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I also think that it. You can't. You can't go backwards hat. Have Four wins and then not go for it on fourth down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

You got to go for like, the.

[PFT Commenter]

Cowboys were credit to Brian Schottenheimer. He was coaching the way every single coach should coach when you're eliminated from the playoffs. He went for it on fourth down six times. He was six for six on fourth down. And the Cowboys. I mean, the Cowboys season feels. Feels like. Well, we'll see what happens with George Pickens there. It's just another season where their offense, like, one piece of their team was electric and then the other piece just failed them. And Jerry Jones, he's look. He said he's got to look at the whole operation. He's going to figure out the whole operation. He's going to get to work, and it starts with him.

[Big Cat]

It also sounds like they might be going for Brian Flores.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

To be their defensive coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which I would. I would love to see that. I'd like to see how that would work. Why don't more defense corners just blitz all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. Also, why don't more. Yeah. Like, why doesn't Brian Flores.

[Big Cat]

Which.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's. Let's go to the next game. Vikings 23, Lions 10. Because this was the Brian Flores game, which he's been doing this now for the last month. The last four games of Vikings have played, they have given up 12 points per game. And, you know, the Cowboys were very good offense. The commanders had Jaden Daniel starting that game. The Lions are good offense. He's been just fucking teams up left and right. I was thinking about it. Brian Flores, I think he's going to be head coach again. It didn't go well in Miami the first time. But why. Why wouldn't he just. He's such a good defensive coordinator. Why doesn't he just say, hey, Cowboys, or any team, just pay me like $5 million a year. Isn't your life better as a defensive coordinator?

[Big Cat]

It's way better.

[PFT Commenter]

And you could if you just got paid. The only difference is the pay. And you get paid. You ask for that. I feel like he could demand that, especially from a Jerry Jones type and just be like, yeah, pay me. Pay me an insane amount of money and I'll come coach the defense.

[Big Cat]

I think there are a lot of. Lot of owners out there that would be hesitant to hire Brian Flores right now as he has a, I believe, still an active lawsuit against the NFL. I don't think that Jerry Jones is one of those guys.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

I think that especially as a. As a defensive coordinator, hiring Brian Flores right now would be right up Jerry Jones Alley.

[PFT Commenter]

What about John?

[Big Cat]

He probably opened his mouth and ruined the lawsuit.

[PFT Commenter]

John Gruden HEAD COACH BRIAN Flores DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR Bad boys. The bad boys. The bad boys. The Raiders.

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

The. But this is how good Brian Flores was on Christmas Day against the Lions. Max Rosmer tried. He had 51 yards passing. The Minnesota Vikings in the first half had 36 total yards. After three quarters, they had 70 total yards. They finished the day. If you take out Jordan Addison's jet sweep, which was electric.

[Big Cat]

Great handles by Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. 65 yard jet sweep. That. That sealed the. They had 96 total yards of offense and they won the game by double digits. That's how good his defense was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they had six turnovers and some of them were on the center. Obviously. They probably wish that they could have their old center back. Yep. And some were just bad snaps. Some were just blitzing the. Out of Jared Goff and him either throwing the ball under pressure or getting hit by three guys as he tries to start his motion with. With Jared. That's kind of the key. It's like if you can get in Jared's face, if you can be there by the time he turns around from play action, then you're in a good spot. Against the Lions, I. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

They had 176 yards of offense through the first 56 minutes of the game. It was basically a game where you're just watching the Lions and being like, okay, surely they'll do something here.

[Big Cat]

This drive will end well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that. That touchdown pass that they had in the second quarter to Tesla. Tesla.

[PFT Commenter]

Tesla.

[Big Cat]

Tesla.

[PFT Commenter]

Every touchdown, every catch he makes, it's a car crash spectacular. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that was the first passing touchdown that the Vikings allowed in their last seven games.

[PFT Commenter]

Geez.

[Big Cat]

That's nuts.

[PFT Commenter]

Nuts.

[Big Cat]

So Brian Flores, still a great defensive coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

I got a question about the Vikings before we talk about the Lions real quick. The Vikings are playing good football. The Vikings are going to finish the season either 8, 9, or 9 and 8, which is crazy considering where they were at certain points of the season. You know, like the absolute darkest point when they got obliterated by the Seahawks with Max Brosmer playing. What do you think the Vikings record would have been if they had kept Sam Darnold? Because they probably would have been a playoff team.

[Big Cat]

I was going to say if nine had played every game.

[PFT Commenter]

If not, maybe, maybe. But nine was in there for a couple of the losses that Falcons game, week two. I just. I understand why they made the decision. They. They're taking A risk on a rookie quarterback. And I think JJ McCarthy showed at least the last few games that he is getting better and better. So that part you can say, well, we got bad luck with JJ McCarthy getting hurt, and we had to start Carson Wentz. Remember Carson Wentz? That feels forever ago, but it's just like, this team was good enough to be a playoff team. And it's got to be frustrating being a Vikings fan to be like that, like this. This team was good enough.

[Big Cat]

I wonder if KOC is just an expert at taking somebody that's damaged goods, someone that's been hurt before and just, like, nurturing them back to be the best person themselves. Or if he's like a guy that can draft a dude and develop him out of nowhere.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, from. From. With a clean slate, building him up. But, yeah, Sam Darnold, he. He had a pretty good year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, they had four.

[Big Cat]

Daniel Jones had a pretty good year.

[PFT Commenter]

They had four games. They lost by one score.

[Big Cat]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, it's also you. It's like the story's not out right now because JJ McCarthy could be the correct move if he's good next year. You set yourself up perfectly to have the rookie contract and build up the rest of your roster and, like, still be a good team. So you can't, like, make a declarative. The Vikings screwed up. It's just in this specific year where they finish. They're going to finish either close to 500 or above 500. You're like, fuck, what could have happened?

[Big Cat]

That's what I'm saying. This offseason, they need to. They need to put some weapons around nine. Yeah. Give them some receivers to throw the ball to.

[PFT Commenter]

He needs. He needs a poor Justin Jefferson. Yeah. He's. I'll tell you this. Justin Jefferson might win teammate of the year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because he had every right to just be like. This is like.

[Big Cat]

As a wide receiver.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That position specifically, you could substitute any number of, like, the top 10 wide receivers in the NFL right now and ask yourself, how far through this year would they have made it before getting suspended for conduct detrimental to the team? And he's still going out there.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what? Let's just declare it. Pardon my. Take Justin Jefferson, teammate of the year.

[Big Cat]

Good teammate. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Good teammate of the year.

[Max]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, he looked visibly frustrated at times, but that was pretty much the extent of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He could have been so much angrier and mad about everything.

[Big Cat]

Listen, he's going to work. He went to work every day last week knowing that they Had Max Brosmer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And with a smile on his face.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Good for him.

[PFT Commenter]

So the Lions. Let's talk about the Lions real quick. Are you. It feels like there's two. There's two trains of thought going on with the Lions. The first is they miss their window and it's over. I actually don't believe that at all. I think they made some mistakes. They also got very injured. Their entire secondary, their offensive line. Like the. The Lions, when they were rolling the last few years, it started with their run game, and they haven't been able to run the ball because of the offensive line, because of the play calling, whatever you want to say. It just hasn't looked the same. They were. They tried to run the ball 30 times against the Vikings for 68 yards. So do you think the Lions are, hey, bad years happen, or is it, hey, the windows closed and they're fucked?

[Big Cat]

Ben Johnson. Merchant.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I don't. Listen, obviously, Ben Johnson has. If you look at what the Bears have done and then what the Lions did this year, you can connect those dots. Yes, he's. He's definitely better than John Morton, who came in as their offense corner. But I think the Lions are like, some health and a couple moves and maybe an offensive court, a new offensive coordinator away from being kind of right where they were. Not as fucked as everyone believes they are.

[Big Cat]

I think that if you look at Dan Campbell and the way that he's coached this team, I think that he's been a guy that's been very good at inventing reasons why people are doubting. Doubting the Lions. And I think that now, like, a full off season of Dan being an underdog is going to be a very dangerous thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I feel like the lines will bounce back. Dan Campbell might. I don't know what he's going to do in the playoffs. Like, how is he going to handle. Is he going to lock himself in.

[PFT Commenter]

A room and he might just have.

[Big Cat]

To go to Cabo, whip himself on the back and punish himself?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I don't think he's a Cabo guy.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

I think he would do the opposite. I think he'd, like, go to Alaska.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It also. It also goes to show, like, the Lions had a run of incredible draft classes. Yeah. And the last couple have not been to that. Incredible. And that's. That's part of, like, the depth and what happens to a team. I. Yeah, I just think that they're going to be. I think they're going to be fine long term. They just had a really shitty Year where everything that could go wrong kind of went wrong. And they were, it just, it was weird watching how they went out because the Lions losing put the packers into the playoffs and it was like the whole. I felt like an idiot because I played basically the last month I've been just living on the playoff simulator. Yeah. And every single simulation that I played out, just none of it came true. And it just all like, the Lions just lost.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They just kept losing. And I was like, oh, okay. I guess they're going to go out this way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think that the Lions will be fine. I think that they've, that Dan Campbell is the guy that's going to be able, he might, he might actually fire himself and then rehire himself after the end of the season. I, I, I think that there's a lot that can be improved on this year. They need to get better on their offensive line. That's, and they're probably going to address that in the draft. I think that their defense, their defense has been banged up for the last few years, though. That's like kind of a calling card of, of these Lions is at the end of the season, you're like, oh, what if they were healthy, though?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And they just aren't at the end of any season. But I guess having like a full off season where Aiden Hutchins isn't rehabbing from a crazy broken leg will be a good thing for that defense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, long term, I think the Lions will be okay. But that was, it was a bummer to watch from how they lost and.

[PFT Commenter]

That they lost all their powers.

[Big Cat]

Dude, Van Ginkel is just always around the football. He just, he knows where the football is about to be.

[PFT Commenter]

And it was the Lions that we've expected the last couple of years where they did kind of change the perception of the Lions because of how good they've been. You know, you just didn't see it. It was whether it was the Steelers game where they just kept on trying to score and they couldn't score this game. Same thing. You're just like, what's going to happen, if anything? And I do know, like, Jared Goff's contract obviously, like, kicks in big time money. I just, if you get an offensive line, he can, he's still a very good quarterback. His numbers were insane this year. I know that people, there's some people who want to move on from him and Dan Campbell, which I think is crazy.

[Big Cat]

That is insane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And the, the credit to this iteration of the Lions is we are now at a Point where we're disappointed if the Lions like disappoint us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You know, like that game against the Vikings, they, when they kept screwing things up, we're like, what's going on?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

What's wrong with this team? That's how far they've come. That used to be. They used to be every single week.

[PFT Commenter]

Think about five years ago, the, the. You had a fan do a press conference with the backwards fitted hat and a foldable table about DK Metcalf and that wasn't like a. Hahaha, same old Lions.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where it would have been three years ago. You've been like four years ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Everybody, everybody was like that guy. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, what a, what an insane. I.

[Big Cat]

It.

[PFT Commenter]

The guy is not. I, I don't like the guy because he clearly seems like he was. There was that video that was released where he's like, I did it, I did it. I was trying to get him upset. But the press conference made me laugh because you can't, you can't. Like a backwards fitted hat and a suit and a foldable table is just. It's a Tim Robinson sketch.

[Big Cat]

This guy's the final boss of adult autograph collectors.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Oh yeah. And he kept. And then, and then hitting DK with his government name again in the press conference. Piece of.

[Big Cat]

I've got actually Jay Glazer's report on that.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

Jay Glazer says I actually have the security communication between the Lions and the Seahawks. Security from a game last year when DK Metcalf on the Seahawks complained about that exact same fan to security. He asked for that fan to be removed. Over derogatory comments. I'm not going to repeat what the comments are that are on here. Obviously we don't condone ever hitting a fan or anybody else. But in this it says when we investigated during the game, the individual around him stated and corroborated that the fan was being out of line and had indeed said these derogatory statements. They asked us to remove the guy. So, Jay Glazer, I'm. I'm asking you to release the security communications between the Lions and the Seahawks. I need to know what the derogatory statements were. I need to know what DK said about it. Basically, his report from Jay Glazer is like, just so you guys know, I know everything. Yeah, that happened. So just, just so you're aware of that. I know all the facts. You know those facts, Jay.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the Bills just lost on a two point conversion. So we get Happy Max.

[Big Cat]

Happy Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Happy Max is going to join us in a minute in the. In the studio.

[Big Cat]

So this means that the Patriots have clinched the AFC East East. Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that. Yes. And the. And the Eagles are still alive for the two seed.

[Big Cat]

They are the.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The. The. The Lions fan. I listen. I like my Lions fan. Like Detroit Don and super fan. When they got kicked out for standing on defense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That was. You know that those are the. Those are Lions fans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. This is going to make. You're going to around Lions fans and make sparkles never come back.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, God, don't say that. Yeah, don't say that. Okay, next up, last Christmas day game, Broncos 20, Chiefs 13. The Broncos have won the AFC West. That was also in conjunction with the Chargers losing. So it was. They didn't clinch. Oh no. Did they clinch on Christmas night? No, they didn't. They did not.

[Big Cat]

I don't think that they did, but.

[PFT Commenter]

They have since clinched. So congratulations. Broncos winning the AFC west first time since 2015. Fun fact. Since 2010, the only teams that have won the AFC west are the Chiefs of the Broncos.

[Big Cat]

That is a fun fact.

[PFT Commenter]

So 2010 was the Chiefs. 2011 through 2015 was the Broncos. 2016 through 24 is the Chiefs and 2025 is the Broncos.

[Big Cat]

So congratulations to everyone that went out on that limb. Preseason said the Chiefs aren't going to make the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Broncos will clinch the division. You were right. I think everybody was afraid to make that. A lot of us had doubts about the Chiefs. We didn't want to be the first person out there that said this was a year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That the crown switches. So credit to you.

[PFT Commenter]

I like. I like it to the old story of like, hey, you know, on Monday it's Monday and I say it's Sunday. And you're like, no, no, it's Monday. And then on Tuesday, I say it's Sunday. No, it's Tuesday. Wednesday, Sunday. Nope. Thursday, Sunday, Friday. Sunday, Saturday. It's Sunday. No, it's not. Then Sunday comes around and I say it's Sunday. I was right.

[Big Cat]

Nailed it.

[PFT Commenter]

I got it.

[Big Cat]

The broken clock.

[PFT Commenter]

I fucking predicted that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So Travis Kelce, see you in Cancun with your billionaire fiance. Loser. Have fun in the sun, free drinks, five star hotel. Loser.

[PFT Commenter]

This game was. It was. It was an interesting watch because it was Chris Ola Dukin trying his hardest. And he did try his hardest. And I thought he had a legacy drive coming at the end.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Which when he started hitting Travis Kelce. But it was the Broncos, basically. Like, I know that every single Game. Bo Nix is in that category where it's like every game has to be a declaration of whether he's good or not. I thought he was good on, on Christmas night because the Chiefs were so clearly like, hey, we're not going to let you beat us deep. We're going to keep everything in front of us. The Broncos went for four drives of 14 plus plays.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And yes, the field goal drives. It was frustrating. They didn't score touchdowns at the beginning, but then he did score touchdowns late when he needed it, and I thought he played pretty well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they're playing decent football. And then at the end with, with Chris Jones jumping offside, that's a tough play because Sean Payton. I don't know if this is true or not. I think Sean Payton sometimes likes to twist the knife a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But after the game, he was like, yeah, we had zero intention of even running a play there. We're going to kick a field goal no matter what. And then they got Chris to. To jump off sides, which was great for them. I, I feel like they were still going to run a play. But Sean Payton wouldn't admit that. But. Yeah, but Bonix. I didn't think. I didn't think he was bad either.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he played well.

[Big Cat]

I thought that Ola Dukin is probably not in the top 50 guys you'd want to start a game for you. And the, the Chiefs found themselves in a bad situation and they at least made it close.

[PFT Commenter]

He also, he kind of sounds like Mahomes a little bit. And he's. I didn't realize he was like, best friends with Mahomes, which, that's a cool move, like to have that job and, and be best friends with Mahomes. The. I don't, I don't know what to make of the Broncos. Is that okay to say? Yeah, I, I'm like, I, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I, I know obviously Broncos fans are going to defend their team. I just don't know. I, I can't figure it out because I think their defense has regressed and it hasn't looked as dominant as it was to start the game. And they won. They win all their games, but they also don't win a lot of them convincingly. Like, if you told me the Broncos are going to go to the Super Bowl, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. You told me the Broncos are going to lose. Their first playoff game is like, yeah, I guess so. They played with fire all year and.

[Big Cat]

They kind of play, they play down to their competition all the time. Yeah. The good news is in the playoffs you're playing good team so you'll probably play well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because like when they played the Commanders that was overtime. When they played the Raiders they barely won that game. They barely beat actually they barely beat the Raiders twice.

[PFT Commenter]

So it was, it's the two win giants, the three win jets, the two win raiders, the four win commanders and the Chris Oladukin chiefs. Those five games they won margin of victory by 14 points.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I don't know, but they won them. So it's like, hey, if you win the games I, and I think Bonix is playing good football. I just, I'm more, if I were a Broncos fan, I'd be more nervous about the defense looking like it's not as dominant as it was to start the season because that was a formula that felt like it was going to work.

[Big Cat]

I think they're really, really hoping that they get, they get home field. Yeah, that's going to be big for them.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, I did like Jonathan Cooper, defensive end for the the Broncos after the game saying fuck the Chiefs. And then if you thought he was going to, he might have deleted it. But if you thought he was going to just say fuck the Chiefs, he then followed up with the tweet made ass pansies.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I like that. That's, that's an underrated rivalry the Broncos and Chiefs. I also saw a stat that it was like the fourth quarterback, Broncos quarterback ever that has won in, in Arrowhead in December.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was like Peyton Manning, Kyle Orton and Elway.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many times.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean they only play in December and Arrowhead probably once every other year.

[Big Cat]

Broncos fans deserve to be very, very happy about this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like yes, you are the 1 seed right now in the AFC and you have a very, I'd say like out of anybody from the afc you could talk me in the Broncos getting the super bowl just as quickly as any other team.

[PFT Commenter]

I think, I think I'm actually just going to go with whatever uniforms are wearing is how I'm going to decide if I'm going to bet the Broncos.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Gold.

[PFT Commenter]

Because there are uniforms. I'm like, the Broncos cannot lose in this.

[Big Cat]

But, but would you tell me that any of these other teams, like these are the other teams that will have home games for the afc as of right now, as of this very second, the Patriots would have a home game.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The Jaguars would have a home game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The Steelers would have a home game and Broncos would have to buy. Would you trust any of those teams above the Denver Broncos to get to the Super Bowl?

[PFT Commenter]

No. The AFC is a complete roll of the dice.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think every single team is capable of going to the Super bowl in the afc, maybe not the Steelers slash Ravens, we'll see. But it's, it's, it's nuts. I don't remember a year where it felt this wide open.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Because obviously there's years where a team will sneak up on everyone. Like, didn't see that coming. But going into the playoffs, you're like, all right, yeah, this team, I mean, the AFC for the last, whatever 20 years has been Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.

[Big Cat]

But you know what? Out of all those teams, and you look at even the, the wild card teams that are going to make it in which better than some of the teams that are going to be hosting the playoff games. I do think. I believe. As much as I have my doubts about the Broncos, I think I believe in them more than any team in the afc. So I guess that makes. I guess I'm a Bronco believer. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you are.

[Big Cat]

Even though they've got their faults, I would, I'm. I might just bet on the Broncos to make it to the super bowl because I.

[PFT Commenter]

Again, there's a lot of points in.

[Big Cat]

All these other teams.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they absolutely could.

[Max]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

We have one last thing I want to talk about with this game. You see, the Bonix is afraid of dogs.

[Big Cat]

I did. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So does that ding him a little? Yes. Was Kirk Herb street being ridiculous and being like, oh, you're afraid of dogs. Come pet my dog also. Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

A little too much. Kirk, we like you. You're a friend of ours. That was a little too much being like, hey, that was reminiscent of when we had T.J. watt on. I was like, oh, I heard you're allergic to nuts. Here's some nuts. Although in my defense, I didn't understand what a tree nut was. I thought he wasn't allergic. You did?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You thought about throwing a bag of almonds at him.

[PFT Commenter]

And then I realized every single nut is a tree nut. But yeah, that was a little too much by Kirk Herbstream.

[Big Cat]

I do think I do ding him for that, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to. Like, it's unfortunate that we're sitting here because I actually think we're somewhat of a pro. You're, you're very pro. Bonix. I've come around to him Like, I think he's playing very good football, but I saw the dog thing. I was like, oh, no, this is not good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, he's out of the Mike Vick camp, so that's good. We can eliminate that.

[PFT Commenter]

Although, does he hate dogs that much?

[Big Cat]

No, he's scared of them. Okay, if he hated dogs, that's one. Because if you really hate dogs, then, yeah, I could see you going down that route. Yeah, but if you. If you either love dogs or you're afraid of them, I think that you'd probably. You'd pick a different business to set up.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, you are a former dog hater.

[Max]

I was never a dog hater.

[Big Cat]

There's some video out there that says otherwise.

[Max]

Not true.

[Big Cat]

You hit my dog in the face with a hockey stick. That's one. And then you ignored Dave's dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Ms. Peaches.

[Max]

I've adopted a dog.

[PFT Commenter]

You.

[Max]

You guys have both adopted dogs?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Has Hank ever adopted a dog?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Max]

So who's the dog? Who's the dog hater here?

[Big Cat]

He hates dogs.

[Memes]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Bo.

[Max]

Nick. So if you. If you're scared of dogs, you can't have that dog in you, which is an automatic disqualification of being a dog if you're scared of dog.

[PFT Commenter]

What if he has a gorilla in him? What if he just loves gorillas?

[Max]

Now you gotta have that dog in you.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he loves sharks.

[Big Cat]

You could be a beast.

[PFT Commenter]

What if he had a pet shark instead of a pet dog? That would make him more badass. That might. He needs to get an apex predator as a pet and be like, yeah, oh, you guys like dogs.

[Max]

But then what?

[PFT Commenter]

I like fucking. I like sharks and, and, and hippos and gorillas.

[Max]

But then why would he be scared of dogs?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I got bit by.

[PFT Commenter]

It's probably pretty simple.

[Big Cat]

I'd be okay with it if he became like a huge horse guy and he had, like a shitload of horses.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

No, because if you're. If you're any of those animal like fans, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be scared of dogs if you.

[Big Cat]

Maybe you just got bit by a dog when you were young.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe he's scared of what his gorilla will do to his dog.

[Big Cat]

Or maybe he's. Maybe he does have that dog in him and he's afraid of how powerful that dog can get.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's like Spider Man.

[Max]

I don't think Spider Man's not scared of spiders.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he got bit by a Spider and became Spider Man. What if Bo Nicks got bit by a dog? He's like, I might become a dog.

[Max]

Then he wouldn't be scared of dogs.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he doesn't want to become one.

[Big Cat]

He's afraid of his own power.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What if he just became a dog?

[Max]

So he. So you're saying he does.

[PFT Commenter]

But I think he's trying to suppress his inner dog because he knows if he becomes the dog that bit him, it's watch out, world.

[Big Cat]

I think that this is a half man, half dog. It also could be a story arc where he, he comes to peace with the dog that's inside him. You know what, maybe it's like if somebody's a homophobe.

[PFT Commenter]

Right? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You know what that means? It means that they're probably gay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So he is afraid of dogs because he's worried that deep down inside I'm like, he's gonna have to tell his parents I'm a dog. I've always been.

[Max]

That was an awesome, awesome analogy. And now I think, I think.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, all right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you flip.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

All the politicians who are like, like super homophobic.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They fight, you know, they. Oh, they're sucking a guy off in a mall bathroom.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what you don't like Bo Nix. He's. You wanted to suck off a dog, dude.

[Big Cat]

Look at this. Bo Nick's out on the field and Kirk. Herb Street's like, will you, you want to come say hi to my cute, adorable fuzzball of a golden retriever? He's like, oh my God, I'm so scared of that. Get that thing off the field. Ew, gross.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Max]

So he's dog a phobic.

[Big Cat]

No, that's because.

[Max]

Yeah, because he's a dog.

[Big Cat]

He's making that up. He's like, yeah, he's pretending to be afraid of the dog.

[PFT Commenter]

And also think about. It's the most dog thing you could do. Think about dogs at a dog park. They don't lock eyes. Yeah. They sit there and they're like, they're sizing everyone up. Actually, I would have respected Bonix if he just went and sniffed Peter's ass, took a quick sniff and he's like, all right, you're cool with me. If he walked up and Peter had rolled over. This is some good stuff we got.

[Big Cat]

Bonix is a heavily closeted dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he is. He is a dog in disguise. And I think this is now. We've now spun this entire thing to a positive for Bo Nix. If anyone has any further Questions, please see us. Yeah, because I don't think we'll easily figure it out. Like, if you're. If you're someone online who's now saying, oh, Bo Nicks, you can't trust him. He doesn't like dogs. Listen, we were those people a mere 10 minutes ago until we talked it out, and now we realize the. The actuality of it is that Bo Nix is a dog.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's the bottom line.

[PFT Commenter]

He got bit by a dog as a child and became a dog. And he's hiding that for his own protection because they might. What, do they put him in a kennel and he can't play football anymore? That would be brutal.

[Big Cat]

I. I think he's deeply.

[PFT Commenter]

What would happen to the cap hit?

[Big Cat]

He's deeply. He's deeply afraid of the dog that is within.

[Max]

So now are we more confident in the Broncos?

[PFT Commenter]

I think the Broncos might go to the Super Bowl. I think. I think I'm ready to say the Broncos are a Super bowl dog. Yeah. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Sorry, Bo.

[PFT Commenter]

Next up. Oh, is Kelsey retiring? I think so. Maybe. Maybe not.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you see some people were throwing out that he might do a gronk and go somewhere that they can win because of Mahomes acl.

[Big Cat]

Go to a different.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be weird.

[Big Cat]

That would be very. I don't think that he's going to do that. I. I actually don't think he's going to retire, but.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Could you see Kelsey on the Rams next year? Taylor Swift likes to live in la. I. Hollywood.

[Big Cat]

Maybe on the Titans.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I feel like I could see him on the Rams next year.

[Big Cat]

I don't think he's going to play anywhere else. Okay.

[Max]

Eagles.

[Big Cat]

I don't think he's. I don't play anywhere else.

[Max]

Goddard. Goddard is. Is gone into free agency this off season. He's still got enough juice from Pennsylvania. Jason lives in pa. Yeah, but they have.

[Big Cat]

They have plans, though, so he could visit. He could get on a flight whenever he wants to Philadelphia. So could she.

[Max]

Well, I. You just said Rams. I just gave you.

[PFT Commenter]

I was just thinking rams because of like, LA And. And Stafford. Like, he'd want to go to a cor. A savvy quarterback that you can get on the same page with right away. That whole Sixth Sense thing they do.

[Big Cat]

I don't think.

[Max]

I don't even think I would want him to be honest.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Take. You. Take your name out.

[Max]

Yeah, take him.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Well.

[Max]

Well, we might not have a tight end. I think we're not gonna be able to resign. Although Kelsey would probably cost more than. No, maybe not.

[Big Cat]

There's also probably. Yeah, there are other tight ends that exist.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's just not. It's not. Goddard and Kelsey is the only two tight ends in the world.

[Max]

I think, I think options here.

[Big Cat]

Mahomes is going to get some weird European treatment on his knee. Fastest recovery you've ever seen. Travis Kelsey is going to say, okay, yeah, I'll come back for one more year. And then the Chiefs are going to win Super Bowl.

[PFT Commenter]

It kind of hit when momes posted pictures of his Christmas morning and he had the big knee brace over his pajamas. I was like, oh yeah, he did actually hurt his knee. I know how stupid that sounds, but sometimes it takes me to see someone rehabbing to be like, oh yeah, that did happen.

[Big Cat]

He humanized injuries for you.

[PFT Commenter]

He also, his kid was like sitting on his knees like, buddy, that's a.

[Big Cat]

No, that's a billion dollar knee right there. That's rehab.

[PFT Commenter]

We gotta, we gotta keep that thing safe.

[Big Cat]

He's working that out.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, next up to Saturday, Texans 20, Chargers 16. Houston's offense was back for the first two drives.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the first quarter was awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

C.J. stroud started 4 for 4, 142 yards, two touchdowns. He then the next part of the game, which was the majority of the game was 12 for 24, 102 yards, two picks. It was scary for a minute because it's like, holy, did they figure this out? And then they kind of, the Chargers kind of leveled themselves and realized they were in this game. And I, I walked away from this game. One, I knew the Texans are really good. Their defense is ferocious, especially against a battered offensive line in the chi. In the Chargers felt like Justin Herbert was under pressure every single time. Two, I like the Chargers. Cameron Dicker, like missing the, the cheap, you know, the chip shot and the extra point. Like they were in this game as bad as it started for him.

[Big Cat]

Do you think that that's the most Chargers thing that could happen though is you have the most accurate kicker in. I believe he's number one in the history of the NFL now.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe not anymore.

[Big Cat]

I think he is. I think he had like a, a huge lead on, on number two.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

It's super old school Chargers to have the most accurate kicker and then lose the game by your super accurate kicker missing an easy field goal and extra point.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

That made a lot of Chargers fans be like, I this. I thought we were past this as a team.

[PFT Commenter]

And also having this loss eliminate Philip Rivers from the playoffs which was really sad. That was very, very sad.

[Big Cat]

There's. There's two sides of the coin for the, for the Texans. I'm going to give you two quotes.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The light is shining bright on the Texans but that light is really reflective of our guys belief in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That's what's driven our team. I'm so proud of our guys and thankful to the Lord for allowing us to our lights to shine through him. And all praise and honor goes to him. That was from Dico Ryan. Okay, second quote. God is the greatest. The Texans defense is maybe second. That was from Jason Petrie. Okay, great quote from Jason Petrie. Yes, I, and I don't think that he's wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he's not.

[Big Cat]

I don't. Because the Texans defense is that good. Yes. The Chargers offensive line stinks. Justin Herbert getting hit the entire game, making everything happen on his own. I, I think that that defense is just unreal and it doesn't really make me believe this game didn't make me believe less than the Chargers necessarily because Herbert. It doesn't matter what happens to Herbert. He's going to play well enough to keep you in the game, put you in a position where you can win. That interception that he had clearly not his fault.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he might have thrown a little too hard but what are you gonna do?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, if you can touch it, you can catch it. And then with the, the two missed kicks. I still, I wouldn't be panicking if I was, if I was a Chargers fan but this game did make me believe more in the Texans to. Now I'm going to put the Texans maybe even second on my teams that I trust in the afc.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, they're. I, I still think their offense is, is, can be got so it's like they, the way the Texans will lose in the playoffs, if they lose in the playoffs is going to be a you know, 1714 game where they can't muster any points. The. But they're. Yeah. Their defense is elite. Elite, elite and they've beaten four 11 win teams this season. So it's like they're, they're battle tested. I would be worried about Justin Herbert and just the fact that I don't know how that offensive line can withstand the playoffs. Justin Herbert does. He's Superman. Like watching that game he, he was making throws when guys were draped all over him and still throwing darts. I, he just, he just like he's kind of screwed because they, I don't know how they protect for him.

[Big Cat]

Did you hear Har Harbaugh in the post game when he was talking about Herbert, he talked about him like a guy that. That just like retired and also died in the last game of his career.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I think he loves him more after this game. Even though they lost, he was just like, yeah, there's nothing that guy can't do. He's the best that ever was, I believe was his final comment about Justin Herbert. He loves him so much now. I. I do think this impacts my feelings about whether or not the Chargers are a ball team.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're still a ball.

[Big Cat]

I think they are, but the way they fought back.

[PFT Commenter]

Ball team, but bigger.

[Big Cat]

The Texans are a bigger ball team, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Texans are. I mean, they're good. They're really good, the Texans. So this is the fourth QB head coach combo to reach the playoffs in each of their first three seasons together. CJ Stroud and d' Amico Ryan just did it. Andrew Luck and Chuck Pagano did it. Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh did it. And then you have to go all the way back to Otto Graham and Paul Brown. So only four times. This also is just the fifth team since 1990 to start oh and three and make the playoffs. And unfortunately both. Both times it's been the Texans. They've been my Pinky team.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

2018 Texans. 2025 Texans.

[Big Cat]

Do you think Jim Harbaugh takes a double hard when it's an Ohio State quarterback that beats him? Yeah, I think so. I think this one's rivalry matters. That's going to ride with him for a while.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The Texas defense is lights out. I don't know what else to say. They're. They're a problem. A major, major problem. I just. I'm just hoping that they're.

[Big Cat]

They swarm. They swore. That's what Will Anderson Jr. Said. He said our brand of ball is really one word, and that's swarm. Whatever might happen, good or bad, everyone's just swarming. We've been brainwashed to swarm.

[PFT Commenter]

I also.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty cool.

[PFT Commenter]

I also can't. I mean, he's right. The way they play defense is ferocious. It's violent. It's not. It's not. We. We are not used to this type of defense anymore in the NFL. So when it happens, you're like, oh, man, this is different.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I also don't know about you guys, but I can't get out of my head. Daniel Hunter's so good. He had a sack on Justin Herbert every time he makes a play. I'm like, that guy is gonna get his dick sucked tomorrow.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And the next.

[Big Cat]

I was thinking about. And the day after that, I was thinking about.

[PFT Commenter]

And the day after that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it. No, it's up there. It's up there. It's like, congrats to Danielle.

[PFT Commenter]

What a life. Yeah, he's just living it. He's having the best life.

[Max]

I mean, he can have a shitty game and it's still.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, it's great. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It's just anytime I see his name, like, oh, he's getting blown.

[Big Cat]

No, but when he gets. You know, when he gets a sack, you think, like, she's going all the way down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like, we gotta get him on the show. Just be like, hey, man, is it.

[Max]

True that could get super, Super?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know, man. The way he.

[Big Cat]

She's the one that did.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And she said that he. He was, like, fine with her doing it again. This is all alleged because we don't know if it was actually Neil Hunter. It was just context clues. Whoever it is on the Texans defense that's getting their dick sucked every single day, kudos to you, man.

[Big Cat]

If he gets, like, a strip sack, fumble return for a touchdown, it's like that thing is going to touch. Touch her legs.

[PFT Commenter]

Could be anyone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

This seems like an interview that I would take my headphones off of as soon as you ask that question.

[Big Cat]

I think it's fine. I think this is fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Journalist guys talking about getting their dicks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Good for him. And there's no judgment either. It sounds like she's, you know, excited to be doing that, which is great. Good for her. Express yourself.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You were right, though, about Jim Harbaugh saying, I think Justin Herbert's the best there ever was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Like, he.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, he retired.

[Big Cat]

Like, he died on the field in his last game.

[PFT Commenter]

That's something you say. It is Canton, when they're. When they're unveiling his bus or like, you're. I think he's the best that ever was.

[Big Cat]

You're visiting him.

[PFT Commenter]

Not when you lose in week 17 and still have the playoffs coming up.

[Big Cat]

Harbaugh's visiting him, like, in the hospital after a car accident. You're the best that. That ever was, kid.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like, if one of us died, we'd say that about, you know, like, yeah, PFD was the best that ever. I would say that at your funeral. I wouldn't say that. Like, after we finished a Wednesday podcast in July, he was getting. I think he was the best it ever was. Man.

[Big Cat]

He was getting choked up by Max. I'm actually going to send you this entire clip from Harbaugh because I think it's, it's worth our while to listen.

[PFT Commenter]

To it every week. He's, he does things that are reserved for only the best in the game. He. Heroic. Just the kind of competitor he is. And we all, we all so many feed off it. We all feed off it. You know there's. Yeah. I don't know that I have the kind of ran out of the, the superlatives really. I mean it's just, just who he is don't change. He's, he's just, I think he's the best there ever was. That's a guy that just died. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But God damn it, I love Harbaugh for it.

[PFT Commenter]

But that also is kind of how Justin, it feels when Justin Herbert has to play a game behind that offensive line.

[Big Cat]

It does feel like almost died. He gets his ass kicked every single game.

[PFT Commenter]

Every single game.

[Big Cat]

And he's, he always throws like at least one 25 yard pass with two guys on him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. Saturday night Ravens 41, Packers 24. Derrick Henry. This was the most. I fucked up. My bad. Here's Derek Henry game plan of all time. Because John Harbaugh Sunday Night Football against the Patriots last week did not give Derek Henry a touch in the last 12 minutes of the game.

[Big Cat]

That's part of their rotation. Big cat rotation at halfback.

[PFT Commenter]

So he, he then he basically was the guy who like he messed up and he came, came home with just way too big of a flower bouquet and chocolates and be like honey, I'm so, so sorry. Derrick Henry. Here you go. Run the ball 36 times for four touchdowns and 216 yards right down the packers throw.

[Big Cat]

I actually think that John Harbaugh would have been a little, just a little bit happier if Derek Henry had, I don't know, 175 yards and three touchdowns. Yeah. To make it not so glaringly obvious.

[PFT Commenter]

It was so about what a fuck.

[Big Cat]

Up it is that, that he did not run him last week. It's tractor seato season. He now has the most 200 yard games of anybody to ever play football.

[PFT Commenter]

Seven of them.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's got seven of them. Surpassed Adrian Peterson, O.J. simpson. I'd say that Derek Henry probably the best guy amongst those three.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I'd say hands down there was, there was some weird vibes this whole week around the Ravens. You think around the Lamar Jackson situation we've been talking about how it's just weird how it's been weird.

[PFT Commenter]

It is weird.

[Big Cat]

Then there was an article about how it's weird, and then the weird article was like. The major complaints that it appears the Ravens have about Lamar, off the record to this reporter, is that he stays up too late playing video games and that he sometimes falls asleep in team meetings.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, we should say, based on people I know from Baltimore I talked to, this reporter is seen as the guy who is always like, got an ax to grind with the Ravens and trying to stir up shit. So we should throw a grain of salt on the whole thing, because I do think sometimes when a story becomes national, a national story, you lose the context of who the person is in the media ecosystem of their specific city. And you can kind of get a little bit like, oh, man, this is all fact. A lot of Ravens fans were like, dude, this guy, all he does is trash the Ravens and tried to basically shit on Lamar on, you know, the organization.

[Big Cat]

I talked to one person that is a big Ravens fizz. I. I don't want to say their name, but the. The quote that they said was, that dude's a fucking pussy, dude. Hahahahaha. He's such a hahaha major haha dude. Come on. Haha. Now that could be any Ravens fan that we know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the. The. The. I. I would say the. The. Like, bare minimum, though, there's definitely some smoke there, which we've been talking about. Yeah, that. That Harbaugh and Lamar, there's something weird that's going on that feels like it might be at the end of the road. And yet the Ravens then go to Lambeau, dominate the packers, and are now alive because of the Browns beating the Steelers. They're alive in week 18 to go to the playoffs, and everything's still in front of them because I think they would be in the camp, like, if they get to the playoffs, are they a team. If Lamar is somehow healthy, are they a team that you'd want to play? I. The one thing. The one thing I took away from this game, though, and I don't know if it's. If it's way off and it might be just like a single game sample size, because Lamar's obviously significantly better than Snoop Huntley. Jordan Love is better than Malik Willis. But I do think the way the coaches called those games, it was like, why wouldn't you do that with your starter? Like, Matt Flor called a great game from Malik Willis, and John Harbaugh called a great game for Snoop Huntley, and it Feels like it's set. They set them both up to succeed in ways that maybe they don't always do with their starters.

[Big Cat]

Well, I think that what you're looking at with both those two starters and Lamar and Jordan Love is guys that are a little bit hesitant to run the ball. Yeah. And that's what. There's always a cycle with running quarterbacks. It's like they get into the league, they're great at running, and then their coaches want to protect them, so they don't want them to run the ball too much. And a lot of times the players too, they're like, I'd rather not take all those hits. I'd rather just become a pocket passer. And then they don't want to run as much. And then they kind of lose that superpower that they have, which affects the entire offense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And the whole play calling system. When you have a quarterback like Malik Willis or Snoop Huntley's, that's just like. Yeah, it put me out there. I want to. I want to play ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Whatever you call, let's run it. Then you end up. There's also two types of backup quarterbacks. There's exciting quarterbacks, fun quarterbacks, which are the same. And then there's just bummer backup quarterbacks. And we were fortunate enough to have a game that had two kind of exciting.

[PFT Commenter]

Malik Willis balled out.

[Big Cat]

He was really good.

[PFT Commenter]

He was really good. He's throwing dimes. He was running the ball like. That was memes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I'd be thinking about memes.

[Memes]

Packers best, best farm system memes. The jets farm system means.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you thinking. Are you thinking Malik Willis?

[Memes]

I'm thinking. Anybody?

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Three years, let's say 40 million guaranteed.

[Memes]

It might be too much. Guaranteed.

[PFT Commenter]

You think it's too much? We could go down to 30.

[Big Cat]

You're trying to cheap out on a quarterback.

[Memes]

We did just give Justin Fields 40, but 20 guaranteed. Yeah, I would do it.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

What if the. What if the packers traded Jordan Love and then went with Malik Willis? I mean, Jordan Love did get. Did you see he gave Nike dunks to the whole team?

[Big Cat]

I saw it. It's nice of him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Shoes.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it was. Total price tag of under 5k and he makes $220 million.

[Big Cat]

Good for him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That was the quarterback gifts. I have a couple more quarterback gifts we can get to, especially Joe Burrow, but that was a big story. I feel like you're. If you're a quarterback, you have to get. You just have to just overspend because you Know that it's going to get talked about.

[Big Cat]

Maybe there was money in the shoes too.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the most public gift that is given.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think memes, I think with Malik Willis this is just a thing for any packers quarterback. I don't think that there's a whole lot to do in Green Bay. So when a guy gets there, they're just like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna dedicate my life to being a quarterback. And then you go to New York. Might not be the same case.

[Memes]

That's a great point.

[Big Cat]

Thank you.

[Memes]

It's like Kansas City too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Went there one time. There's nothing to do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, it's a good point.

[Big Cat]

Got a casino, great wings.

[PFT Commenter]

Indianapolis has the windmills.

[Memes]

They have the windmills.

[Big Cat]

No, I thought Malik Willis was awesome and I, I've really enjoyed watching whenever he plays. I've said this after every time he starts for them, whenever he plays. Matt LaFleur, it seems like he's calling a great game. And the, the packers didn't punt. They're now 02 this year, I believe when they don't punt.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oh, and three, they're owing three. When they don't punt. Every other team, I believe eight, zero.

[PFT Commenter]

So I saw that stat, that stat.

[Big Cat]

Is misleading in this game.

[PFT Commenter]

It's also misleading in just the way NFL football goes now. Because teams just don't punt.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You cannot, they just, they just go for it on fourth down.

[Big Cat]

There were some times when like if.

[PFT Commenter]

That was 25 years ago, you'd be like, holy, how is that possible?

[Big Cat]

I also, I love this take from Florio. You'll love this too, Big cat.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

If the NFL hadn't expanded the playoffs as of 2020, the packers would be on a four year streak of no playoff appearances.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So I, I, I did see that because I think the, the stat is yeah. Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur together have only gotten the seventh seed. This would be the third consecutive year in the seventh. See, yeah, I want to, I, I love bad Packer stats and I want to be like, haha, they did win 11 games last year and they did rest the starters against the Bears because the NFC north was so good that like they were, they were a good team last year that rested starters in week 18. But yeah, it is fun to be like they're seven seed. Merchant.

[Big Cat]

It's a, it's a very funny stat just to be like if, if the playoffs were different then they actually wouldn't make the playoffs ever.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I, so there I actually will not. I will not accept that stat because it's. It's used a lot with. It's actually packers fans use it against Caleb Williams. Like if. If he didn't do all that stuff after the onside kick, he would have.

[Big Cat]

Had a bad game where you're not.

[PFT Commenter]

All that stuff happened.

[Big Cat]

We're not thinking about. Is that in my hypothetical, I'd be right.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's like, hey, if Steph Curry wasn't good at three point shooting, he would just be another guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. If the basket was 15ft tall, Shaq would be one of the worst basketball players in the history of the world.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. These are all facts. I. The packers are limping into the playoffs. Beyond.

[Big Cat]

They are. Well, they're limping also with. They do have a lot of injuries. Everyone's injured. The packers aren't the only injured team. But it does feel like their injuries are more impactful than a lot of other teams like Tucker Craft going down. I thought that changed their entire offense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There is the, the stat that I did think like Lambeau is not a scary place to go now for teams because remember, it used to be until Michael Vick, that playoff game, but it used to be like, oh, if you go to Lambeau, you're. The stat was the packers lost more games at Lambeau Fields in the last 15 months than the Mike Holmgren packers lost in seven years. That's. That's significant.

[Big Cat]

It is. Yeah. Did you see that. That weird thing with replay assist in this game?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Replay assist got it wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

For too many men on the field.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And they fix it like it's.

[Big Cat]

It's really strange though that I don't know if they use like an AI system to count maybe that maybe they have a woke AI system. Too many guys. Too many men out there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's too masculine. Is the NFL woke?

[PFT Commenter]

They might be.

[Big Cat]

I do think the funniest possible outcome is Snoop Huntley getting the Ravens into the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like starting next week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then Lamar coming back in for the first round and then Lamar losing maybe. Maybe in the first round to the Chargers again.

[PFT Commenter]

Again, it's Lamar injuries. Like, I just don't. I don't. Because I can't see it happen. He like got need in the back.

[Big Cat]

And Harbaugh did the thing where he. He kind of walked back some of the passive aggressive stuff that he said.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because I feel like it's a never ending cycle with Harbaugh of like saying something about Lamar where he's Like, I don't know what's going on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then a couple days later, he's like, Lamar's very injured. I took a look at the mri. It's not good. We're not saying anything about his toughness. I love him. And that happens. Like rinse and repeat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Every other week with the race.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's very weird. It's very weird. I am. I'll say it. I. Well, we haven't. We haven't seen what happens in Sunday Night Football yet, so we. We can. The. The Bears, as of right now, we're taping this, are still alive for the one seed. Yeah. The idea that the packers, as injured as they are and like the Bears winning the NFC north, which this game clinched the Bears to win the NFC North. So Ryan polls was not wrong. Just early with his. We're going to take the north and never give it back. I am a little nervous about the idea of, like, the packers winning and then erasing, like this incredible year. That's been so much fun.

[Big Cat]

That would be. That would be very, very tough.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I do think the Bears are better than the packers right now. But it's crossed my mind, memes.

[Big Cat]

Who would you rather have? Malik Willis for 40 million guaranteed or Lamar Jackson? But you'd give him, what, 70 million guaranteed?

[Memes]

I'm gonna go with Lamar.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

100 million guaranteed.

[PFT Commenter]

Lamar.

[Memes]

Yeah. Lamar.

[Big Cat]

150 million guaranteed.

[PFT Commenter]

But do the video games. He's like. He's basically. Lamar Jackson is no different than Zach. They're this. They're one in the same.

[Big Cat]

It is true.

[Memes]

What do you mean?

[PFT Commenter]

They just stay up too late playing video games, sometimes fall asleep, and they eat.

[Big Cat]

Super unhealthy.

[Memes]

Did you see that he wants to go to the Dolphins?

[Big Cat]

I saw.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that was part of the article. Yeah.

[Memes]

I just want to bring that up. I would stop watching football if you went to the Dolphins because it would be Lamar. Josh Allen.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You got Brady Cook.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But do you think that. I feel like Lamar would. He would get way more candy ass in Miami. Yeah, I. Yeah.

[Memes]

There's too much to do, though.

[PFT Commenter]

I got to take about Lamar real quick.

[Big Cat]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And obviously guys are different. Guys can be, you know, deal with the media however they want, but I feel like Lamar might suffer from the fact that he doesn't do any media.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, people, like, make up stuff about Lamar because he is very private, which. That's his choice. And I. I respect the hell out of his choice. But the downside of it is people can kind of just run with narratives against you and they don't really know you because I feel like. Do you feel like you, like, know Lamar?

[Big Cat]

Oh, we, we definitely do that on the show.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We don't know enough about him. So now we have to just speculate on.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Every little thing that he does.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. It's a weird, it's a weird situation where some of these other quarterbacks, they're out doing a bunch of stuff and interviews and you see them all the time. You're like, oh, I feel like I know that guy. So, Lamar, just come on the show. We'll fix this for you. That's really what I was saying.

[Big Cat]

Well, so. So Lamar is allegedly up late playing video games, but he's not streaming. He's just doing it for the love.

[PFT Commenter]

He's just doing it for love.

[Big Cat]

I respect that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's getting some reps in. Okay, before we get to Sunday's games, let's do a couple ads before we.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Afternoon games. We have a very special guest for five minutes here because we wanted to get his take. It is Browns 13, Steelers 6. Jerry, we'll give you our takes, and then you can tell us how you're really feeling. Okay. Cool. And great job on the Boomer.

[Jersey Jerry]

Thank you. Appreciate it. But a lot of, you know, work into that.

[PFT Commenter]

You. You said you had an unreleased one.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Talk to Eric. It can't be released. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Can't be released. Can't be released. Not for air.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So this was the most Tomlin game ever. Mike Tomlin trying to get to 10 wins. A favorite on the road.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Of course. Of course this happened. And it's mostly credit to the Browns defense. They were lights out. Incredible performance from them. They, like the Steelers, just had no offense going. I know dk. DK is a big miss.

[Big Cat]

He's a big part. Because they don't really have a weapon besides dk. And when you have Darnell Washington getting injured in the first half.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

And then you just have Adam Thielen and Scotty Miller.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Aaron Rodgers, when targeting receivers in this game, was 8 for 21 for 60 yards. Not good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So the Steelers, they. They looked like they spent their game plan worrying about Miles Garrett getting a sack. Like when. When Arthur. And he did. When Arthur Smith. Yeah. Credit to Arthur Smith.

[PFT Commenter]

Mission accomplished.

[Big Cat]

The mission this week was do not let Miles Garrett break TJ's record against us. Mission accomplished.

[PFT Commenter]

Mission accomplished.

[Big Cat]

Good job.

[PFT Commenter]

Well done.

[Big Cat]

Good job. Arthur Smith. So the Steelers, the. These are some crazy stats for the. For the Steelers number one. They're now 1-6-1 in their last eight visits to Cleveland on the road, which.

[PFT Commenter]

Is crazy because remember, Big Ben didn't lose in Cleveland.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

For 20 years.

[Big Cat]

No. And the Steelers. This one is actually insane. In their last five games against teams that are eight games or more below.500, the Steelers have won zero of them. That's pretty crazy, considering that the Steelers. Say what you want about Mike Tomlin, he finishes with a winning record.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When he's playing the stinkiest teams in the last five times they've done it, they've lost. I think they tied one of those games, too, but they're winless in their last five games. Pretty crazy. I guess it doesn't really matter that much for the Steelers as long as you win next week.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, yeah, but that's.

[Big Cat]

It felt like. It felt like all the good things were happening to the Steelers. They were fixed. I believe Jerry said that they were fixed. Super Bowl. And then you do this against the Browns.

[PFT Commenter]

So Jerry was actually on the last show that we did because we were talking about dk and I think this. The exact quote was two playoff wins. Minimum.

[Big Cat]

Minimum.

[PFT Commenter]

Has that changed? Jerry?

[Jersey Jerry]

Let me just start out by saying this. What stings the most about this game was. And you guys seen. I came out with the Cena today. Jerry Cena, my son, die hard, Cena fan.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Jersey Jerry]

We're home this morning, and we're talking and telling. The stewards are on TV today. Big game. Yeah, he's gonna watch it with mommy and whatnot. I was like, dude, trust me, I know you don't understand yet. This year is different. We're supposed to lose this game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Jersey Jerry]

You know, but this is different.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean? You're supposed to, like, the Steelers are.

[Jersey Jerry]

Supposed to lose this game to go to week 18. That's just what they do. I was telling them I'm wearing the cena out of respect because the Steelers have the never give up attitude this year.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Jersey Jerry]

So they're going to win it this week.

[Big Cat]

Do you think Cena set a bad example for the Steelers by tapping out?

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah, for.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Jersey Jerry]

Set a bad example for the kids. Forget about the Steelers. For the kids.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Jersey Jerry]

But I told them straight up, I'm wearing a cena today. Never give up attitude. Rise above all the hate. You know, the Steelers get. They failed.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, who hates on the Steelers?

[Jersey Jerry]

Just the media. You know, the media.

[Big Cat]

You're in the media.

[PFT Commenter]

You're.

[Big Cat]

You're a big number one media guy.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean, I'm up and down on the Steelers.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Jersey Jerry]

You know, like, if they win, I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, what a fan should do.

[Max]

Yeah, exactly.

[PFT Commenter]

I ride the waves.

[Jersey Jerry]

I'm, you know, I'm never in the Middle. I'm either all the way up top or all the way below, I guess. Not riding the waves. I'm up and down. But listen, what I. My take is this. Regardless what happens next week, Tomlin's gotta go. I mean, he just gotta go.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta go.

[Jersey Jerry]

It's stale, okay? It's. He has a losing record in the playoffs, okay?

[Memes]

He.

[Jersey Jerry]

He refuses. He changes offensive coordinators all the time, defense coordinators. The seasons all look the same. Players change, all these coordinators change, the staff changes. Everything is always the same because it's Mike Thomas, okay? He plays scared football. He trusts his defenses so much. Also, shame on. Shame on Omar Khan a little bit. Can we say that?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, sure.

[Jersey Jerry]

No, you're not going to draft a wide receiver. You're just going to rely on DK Metcalf. God forbid if he gets hurt. He's been healthy all year. God forbid he gets hurt or suspended. You have Scotty Miller, mvs, and I'm feeling. It doesn't work.

[Big Cat]

Jerry, what do you think about bringing about, bringing DK back? Like in light of the new information that has come out about the altercation. And the new information, by the way, is just Jake Laser saying, I have the information.

[Jersey Jerry]

Listen, it. You can't touch fans.

[PFT Commenter]

We should have said.

[Jersey Jerry]

Bottom line, you can't touch fans.

[PFT Commenter]

We should have said the. We. We talked about that guy earlier in the show. But saying that he. The two things he hates in the world are racism and animal cruelty. Yeah, I know. Behind that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

I stand with him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean, I, I stand with him in the fact that I'm a fan. First, you can't touch fans. You can't.

[PFT Commenter]

But no matter what they say, untouched.

[Jersey Jerry]

Outside the game, on your own, you want to put. Do a hit or something like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Sure. Okay.

[Jersey Jerry]

In the, in the moment, you can't do it.

[Big Cat]

Jerry, would you ever confront an opposing player like that?

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, not, Not.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Jersey Jerry]

Only. Only online.

[PFT Commenter]

Never in person. So how do you feel about week 18?

[Jersey Jerry]

As of right now, the loss didn't hit me until like maybe an hour and a half.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you said that you were like maybe two quarters into the Bears game. You're like, yeah, the loss just hit me.

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah, I was just. I put my coat on because I got the chills throughout my whole body and I was like, I'm freezing and.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know what's going on. Oh, yeah, we lost to the Browns.

[Max]

Yeah, we just.

[PFT Commenter]

We lost.

[Jersey Jerry]

We just lost to Shador Sanders with no. A fourth string running back and What? The third or fourth string quarterback, your.

[Big Cat]

Body'S given up on it.

[Jersey Jerry]

It's crazy. My take right now in this moment and this is. This is sad to say.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean, this is really sad to say.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Jersey Jerry]

I don't care if we lose or win next week.

[Big Cat]

Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I mean it. No, no, no, no, I mean it. This is when. This is what happens. No, no, this is t. No, no. But can I just say, this is what happens when you put a microphone in front of a player right after a gutting loss. They say they don't mean.

[Jersey Jerry]

No, I mean it, T. I'll tell you why I mean it.

[Max]

Okay.

[Jersey Jerry]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

Because you. But, but Mike Thomas not getting fired.

[Jersey Jerry]

Dude, I think it is a better chance if they lose this week 18 game he gets fired than if he makes the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

It does feel like what if.

[PFT Commenter]

That might be true, but I still.

[Big Cat]

Don'T think he's getting fired. The losing coach gets.

[Jersey Jerry]

You have to fire.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that would be great. Right? Like either Harbaugh or Tomlin has to go.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Loser goes with a sound match. Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

We should put.

[Jersey Jerry]

We should put that out there.

[PFT Commenter]

It really should be.

[Jersey Jerry]

But you don't think there has to be.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think there's any chance.

[Jersey Jerry]

How can you fire this guy?

[Big Cat]

They don't fire people.

[PFT Commenter]

They don't fire him. Him. They don't fire it. Guys.

[Jersey Jerry]

He hasn't won in a decade.

[PFT Commenter]

I understand. I. I mean, so that's where I think that you're going to come to your senses later on in the week and realize that there's no firing him. And you want to win this game because you want to be.

[Jersey Jerry]

By Sunday. I'm going to want to win this game in the moment.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't care. Yeah. No, this is.

[Big Cat]

You'll be back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like Aaron Rodgers is going to say something during an interview and you're gonna be like, we're all back.

[Jersey Jerry]

He already said. He already said. He said, listen, we've been dealing with adversity it all year. We bounced back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Jersey Jerry]

So like I can. Can I also say something? Aaron Rodgers is not to blame for this season whatsoever. 0. A big fat 0 blame on him this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Jersey Jerry]

He's played pretty good. Pretty good for what he has around him. He's played pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Jersey Jerry]

Also, can I say something as well?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Jersey Jerry]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Jersey Jerry]

Arthur Smith is dog.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I know he's your friend. I know, I know.

[Jersey Jerry]

I know he's your friend.

[Big Cat]

Factor Fiction. Miles Garrett didn't get a sack fact. Okay. Does that make you feel good?

[Jersey Jerry]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Say thank you, Arthur Smith.

[Jersey Jerry]

Thank you, Arthur Smith.

[PFT Commenter]

There you go.

[Jersey Jerry]

I'm sorry.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Yeah. All right, so we'll find out. We'll stream it Sunday night.

[Jersey Jerry]

Okay?

[PFT Commenter]

You. I want you head to toe in Steelers gear. You don't want this.

[Jersey Jerry]

You don't want no cena.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you just lost the Browns in cena. Cena tapped.

[Max]

Yeah, I want full cena.

[PFT Commenter]

I know. Max, you know what we do, because we're gonna stream Saturday for. For TV's Bucks and Panthers.

[Jersey Jerry]

You want cena Saturday.

[PFT Commenter]

Cena Saturday, Steelers Sunday.

[Jersey Jerry]

Okay?

[PFT Commenter]

That's what we. Because I do want to see the full scene. You said you had even more cena to go.

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah, I have more cena.

[Big Cat]

Jerry, can I say something?

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Show the people you're seeing it. Take off your coat.

[Big Cat]

I took it off. Yeah. It's got. It's broken.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you. Oh, he broke you.

[Big Cat]

Can I say something? Yeah. Who would you rather play? Lamar? Snoop, right now, who scares you more?

[Jersey Jerry]

Oh, I'd rather play Lamar. Steelers own Lamar.

[Big Cat]

I mean.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean, last year was. They ran all over them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Jersey Jerry]

But, you know, the history shows me I'd rather play Lamar.

[Big Cat]

Okay, do you count this as a playoff game?

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

100.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. So Mike could win a playoff game?

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah, he could. Yeah, he could.

[Big Cat]

This is a playoff game. Minimum two. Yes.

[Jersey Jerry]

Eric, this is playoff.

[Big Cat]

We still back on minimum two.

[Max]

If.

[PFT Commenter]

If they.

[Jersey Jerry]

If they win on Sunday night, they will beat the Texans.

[Big Cat]

That's a fact.

[Jersey Jerry]

Okay, I'm not worried about the Texans. I was worried about the Bills and the other teams and the Jaguars. Okay. But I think they could beat the Texans.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. Well, Jerry, thank you.

[Big Cat]

Yes. Thanks, Jerry.

[PFT Commenter]

Job on your Boomer.

[Big Cat]

Who are your super bowl picks right now?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The way it looks, Bears. Bills. Bears. Pills. Wow. Wait, can you read us just a couple lines of the unreleased Boomer? No, no, no. Just one. Just one line. Just one line. The safest line.

[Big Cat]

You have a playoff berth wouldn't be the only thing that Jerry would be thinking about for Mike Toddler.

[PFT Commenter]

Just a. Just so the safest one line that you had.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[Jersey Jerry]

I mean, this is gonna get cut.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Thank you, Jerry. Appreciate it.

[Big Cat]

We're gonna bleep out the last two words of that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, we'll just. We'll just. Right when he said it's gonna get cut.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then cut it and then bring it back to. All right. Thanks, Jerry. Appreciate it. Yeah, he's right. He knows.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Max]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so that was. That was Steelers, Browns. Yeah, that was just the most Steelers.

[Big Cat]

How about that touchdown from Shador, though? Absolute missile.

[PFT Commenter]

Dot, dot. To Harold Fannin. Threw it where no one else could get.

[Big Cat]

Wait, I do have a take about that.

[PFT Commenter]

I am happy for Shador.

[Big Cat]

I'm. I am, too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, he. He. Say what you want. He makes the Browns kind of fun to watch.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I agree.

[Big Cat]

But we got a new. A new Against All Odds just dropped.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

And it was from Dracina Anderson, also the author of the original Against All Odds. And this was about the touchdown pass that. That the Browns threw today. She had a lot of tweets about the Browns today. All right. Yeah. New Against All Odds just dropped from Josina Anderson, the author of the original Against All Odds post. Shador Sanders places this TD to Harold Fannin Jr. Where it needs to be to avoid interference from the Steelers secondary. It was just an absolute butterfly, and I think that was Duggar from the Steelers that just made a beeline to the sidelines and essentially took himself out of the play. Avoided interference in the play, though. Congratulations to Shador. Great play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Oh, by the way, going off of your. Your crazy Browns or. Sorry, Steelers at Browns stats. The last time the Pittsburgh Steelers won a game in Cleveland with a quarterback not named Ben Rotzberger was 2003.

[Memes]

Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

Tommy Maddox.

[Memes]

Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So the. So the. The one six and one. The one was 20. 21. Ben Roethlisberger. That's nuts.

[Big Cat]

That is. That is pretty crazy considering how bad the Browns have been and we think, like, how good the Steelers have been.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Well, and it's also just. Big Ben just owned Cleveland for 20 years.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He would go there, he'd win, and, you know, hey, listen, Mike Tomlinson said he didn't think that they played poorly today. So that's really good.

[Big Cat]

Good for them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, they did like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no, they played poorly.

[Big Cat]

The offense was pretty bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was. It was a poor defense.

[Big Cat]

Not bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Not.

[Big Cat]

Not terrible. But, yeah, it was not. I would say that's a poor performance, Mike.

[PFT Commenter]

You can see it was poor. It was a poor performance. Performance. Okay, next game. Seahawks 27, Panthers 10. Now, I was rooting for the Panthers today. This is. Was obviously before the Bears game, because I was like, hey, the only shot the Bears have at the one seed is the Panthers win a game and the Bears win Sunday football. Both things didn't happen. I gotta say, as someone who spent three hours rooting for the Panthers. I had no fun.

[Big Cat]

No, that was a tough watch.

[PFT Commenter]

I had no fun.

[Big Cat]

It was tough watch. Bryce made a couple nice plays where he just kind of extended time in the pocket, danced around a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

But didn't really hit. They, they had. So they had one touchdown drive. When they were down, it was, it was three, three game. Their defense held up. Sam Darnold was trying to throw some picks, couldn't throw them. And the, the scary thing with the Seahawks is their run game got going, and if their run game gets going, it's. They're just a really fucking good team. But The Panthers had 11 drives, 69 yards on their TD drive to cut it down 14 to down 7. The other 10 drives, including a kneel down at the end of the game, which I want to talk about their other 10 drives, they netted 70 yards, 70 yards on 10 drives. That's that. And that's a testament to the Seahawks defense being incredible. And they, they just tackle so well, and they're just, they don't. If you, if, if, if, if quarterback hits someone in the flat, there's like three Seahawks there right away. They're just such a good defensive team, and so much so that the Panthers kneeled the ball with a minute and 40 left, which they were down 17. But still, I feel like that's a weird move that you don't see very often.

[Big Cat]

What was the move at the end of that Bucks game where Godwin got hurt? Because I feel like this game was more out of reach than that one. Yeah, but they, they did.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, the Bucks did it on Sidekick.

[Big Cat]

You remember the one I'm talking about? It was like a Monday Night Football game.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, not, not, not.

[Big Cat]

Was it last year?

[PFT Commenter]

I, I, I can't remember.

[Memes]

Monday Night Football vers. The Ravens.

[PFT Commenter]

And they.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Memes]

They were down three scores scored. Onside kick pass to Chris Godwin. They had the ball in like the 10.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Ankles separated and they stayed.

[PFT Commenter]

And that just took the air out of.

[Big Cat]

I'm okay with this one because you, you don't want to get anybody hurt. And next week means, means everything for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

I, It's a meatball take. I just more was shocked because I looked up, I was like, wait, There's a minute 40 left and you don't you want to tell your guys you always got a chance? Obviously, it's a, would be a insane miracle to somehow get two onside kicks, but still, Seattle, though, is so good. They're so good defensively they're. They're right. They ran the ball. Charbonnet was awesome today. And here's the thing that's scary about Seattle is that everyone is kind of like, hey, Sam Darnold, like he's going to turn into a pumpkin. The Seattle Seahawks this year when Sam Darnold has two plus giveaways are five and one.

[Big Cat]

That's pretty crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Now it does can win even if he has a bad Sam Darnold game.

[Big Cat]

What are some of those other games? Because I know that they had. They had three turnovers today.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Rams game was the one loss. Yeah, the Rams game when they. When he had the four picks.

[Big Cat]

I think it matters that the offense that you're playing against, obviously.

[PFT Commenter]

No, of course. But. But it's a real testament to. To the Seahawks defense because they just. They can shut down anyone. All right, I'll look it up. Let's see.

[Big Cat]

Because the. The Seahawks turned the two turnovers that the Panthers had.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Into two touchdowns.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, they're. But that. That's also. Yeah. The Seahawks defense, that's what they do. They're. They're. They're fucking.

[Big Cat]

The front four for the Seahawks is really, really good.

[PFT Commenter]

The Rams game. Yeah. On Thursday Night Football. That was two picks by Sam Darnold. He had two against the Steelers. I don't have fumbles here. So. But he. So, I mean, it was. They're just really good. I don't know. The Seahawks are just a really good team, and it looks like they're going to play for. They are going to play for the one seed on Sunday. And if they get the one seed, I don't know how. I don't know how who's beating them.

[Big Cat]

This was not a fun game. This is not a fun game to watch.

[PFT Commenter]

It was terrible.

[Big Cat]

But it's also good for the Seahawks, I think, to win these ugly games.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think they play like. They play. They play fun games against the. The Rams.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Everyone else, they kind of just.

[Big Cat]

I mean, remember what happened with the Rams when they went to Carolina.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but they, But. But the Seahawks don't play fun games against other teams because they just suffocate them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, and they just beat the. Out of them.

[Big Cat]

I Hope.

[PFT Commenter]

I hope.

[Big Cat]

JSN's eyes. Okay. That looked like a gnarly shot to the eyeball that he got. He got poked pretty hard, which was.

[PFT Commenter]

Actually a really significant point in the game because it was like the Panthers had him in a third and 21, and they got the face Mask. But, yeah, the Seahawks look like they're cruising to. To. To. I mean, they are. They're going to play for the 1 seed against the 49ers, which will be a fun game on Sunday or Saturday night. And the Panthers are going to play in the toilet bowl to see if they get in the playoffs. It's. It's crazy. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So that. Remember that interception that Mike Johnson had or Mike Jackson had the. For the Panthers in the end zone? He didn't get that second foot down, did he?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big Cat]

He took the longest stride that you've ever seen, ever. So. You know what's crazy about that? Yeah, that would have been worth 500,000 for him. For him.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, shit.

[Big Cat]

For his fourth pick of the year.

[Memes]

Damn.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn, damn. By the way, there's also. There's some. I know there's been a lot of Pope talk with the Bears season. There's also a Pope thing going on with the Seahawks. So 2005, New Pope is elected. Is it elected? Decided?

[Big Cat]

Conclaved.

[PFT Commenter]

They do. Yeah. So conclave. 2005, new pope is conclave. Seahawks win 13 games, advance the Super Bowl. 2013, new pope is conclave. Seahawks win 13 games, win the Super Bowl. 2025, new pope is elected. Seahawks win 13 games. And dot, dot, dot.

[Big Cat]

That's very interesting. I did not know that about the Seahawks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're just. They're.

[Big Cat]

They're a huge dad.

[PFT Commenter]

They are Pope merchants.

[Big Cat]

That is a huge data point.

[PFT Commenter]

That does kind of take out the fact that they did go to the super bowl in a year where the Pope wasn't conclaved and lost to the Patriots. But still.

[Big Cat]

But still. No, the point still stands.

[PFT Commenter]

Thirteen games.

[Big Cat]

It's not like the Seahawks. They get a. They get a Pope bump.

[PFT Commenter]

Should the Seahawks try to lose on Sunday to stay at 13 games so that it guarantees they at least get to the Super Bowl?

[Big Cat]

What time do they play? Do they play early?

[PFT Commenter]

I. Oh, no, sorry. Saturday. Saturday night.

[Big Cat]

Oh, great. So they don't have to miss church.

[PFT Commenter]

No. So, yeah, they might. They might want to try to. They might think about. Someone should get this information to Mike McDonald and they should reconsider whether they play everyone on Saturday night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this is. Listen, I still like the Seahawks. I'm not sure that I fully trust them.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it's. It's.

[Big Cat]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

But the.

[Big Cat]

But the defense is legit, and they do have. They've got. When Charbonnet is running the football. Well, I think they're very, very hard. I do trust them. If they're Running games working and the defense is playing well.

[PFT Commenter]

It's the same thing with the afc, except the NFC just has a lot of teams that I feel more confident in in terms of. They're really good teams. But there are, I mean, five teams right now. I would personally throw in the Bears, but I understand if people don't want to throw in the Bears after we watch their defense against 49ers, but five teams, the NFC, that feels like if you play the game, anything could happen.

[Big Cat]

I think that if the Seahawks were in the afc, I'd be like, yeah, that's the team that I chose. Absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

But the NFC is very similar in that there's just all these teams, they're like, yeah, I. If you told me the Eagles went to the super bowl, if you told me the Seahawks, the Rams, the Niners, I would throw in the Bears. I understand. People wouldn't.

[Big Cat]

I mean, if the Seahawks can somehow avoid playing against the Rams, I think I would trust them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Although, look, they played two, two tight games against the Rams. Sam Darnold through four picks in one of them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so the other part of the toilet bowl, we have dolphins 20, bucks 17. The bucks are just the worst.

[Big Cat]

They're not, they're not what they were deluxe. Run out, they don't get after the quarterback. It's. It's. They've officially become a tough watch.

[PFT Commenter]

Their, their offense is bad, their defense is bad, and now they play in not necessarily a win and get in game against the Panthers. Because one of my favorite stats that I was corrected with a few times on Twitter, which I shout out these guys because I actually have their back. When you find out a scheduling quirk or stat before the general public, it is the best feeling in the world to be like, well, actually you're wrong. And that would be that if the Falcons somehow win out, it does not matter what happens in Week 18 between the Bucks and the Panthers, the Panthers would just be in.

[Big Cat]

And that would require the Falcons to beat Matt Stafford and shock back to back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. But I am, I am now rooting for this to happen because the Bucks and Panthers play before the Saints and the Falcons. So I'm rooting for the Falcons to win Monday night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The Bucks to win Saturday night. Because this is how the NFC south should be decided. The Bucks to win Saturday and then shuck to beat the Falcons and the Panthers to get in even though they lost to the Bucks.

[Big Cat]

And then you get a three way tie at eight and nine.

[PFT Commenter]

So you get a three way tie and what happens with a three way tie is you throw out the, the common opponent in the fourth common opponent. So you throw out your record against the Saints and the Panthers have a better record against the Falcons and the Bucks than the Bucks have against the Falcons and the Panthers. This is just.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so then you could have a scenario where the Bucks win and then Bucks fans become the biggest Saints fans in the world.

[PFT Commenter]

No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So we need the Falcons to win Monday night. But I just want to say shout out to all the people who figured this quirk out before everyone else, because it was like a wave. I saw, I saw actual NFL media people tweeting it out that like Bucks and Panthers playing for the NFC south title on Saturday night. And then you see underneath, actually, no, the Falcons could win out and it would be irrelevant. And I was just like, yes, those guys got it.

[Big Cat]

And I feel like those are all Panthers fans. They learned that fact.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I just, I, I, I'm like, I was jealous of them. I wish I had gotten to that fact as quickly as they did.

[Big Cat]

I mean, it would be great if we had one team with a losing record in the playoffs. Yeah, that's always fun to see.

[PFT Commenter]

So that's what everyone should be rooting for in America. They should be rooting for the Falcons on Monday Night Football. So then we have the possibility of a Bucks win Saturday and Saints win Sunday and the Panthers backdoor into the playoffs because the NFC south like what they've done to football. They deserve to, to have this type of weird happen. And everyone would be like, what the.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the, the Bucks, it turns out they were frauds. Yeah, the Bucks were big time frauds. They're now 17 in their last eight games. They have one win since October. It hasn't been good.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out the Dolphins for still trying. Hey, Quinn.

[Big Cat]

Yours, Quinderoa.

[PFT Commenter]

Quindero might be back up. So I mentioned Jordan loves gifts to the Packers. I have a couple more gifts I want to talk about. One of them is TUA got Sony ULT sound towers for his teammates for Christmas. Plus an additional higher dose infrared pm P, E, M, F. Go mat for the team's offensive lineman. Can you look that up? I'm looking emf. Go Matt. It sounds like a human charger.

[Big Cat]

Infrared.

[PFT Commenter]

Either way, how, how do you think that works with TUA giving those gifts? Is that an awkward exchange?

[Big Cat]

You glow, relax, and recover.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's a human charger. You lay on it and it charges you up. Oh, my God. This is the most junk science thing ever647. I need this.

[Big Cat]

It relieves stress, charges your energy, IT.

[Max]

Support rate for when we start working out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we already started our diet.

[Big Cat]

It supports restorative sleep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I have not eaten anything bad in the last hour.

[Big Cat]

Enhances circulation and recovery.

[PFT Commenter]

Guys. All right, I'm buying us. I'm buying us these glow mats.

[Big Cat]

What does the mat look.

[PFT Commenter]

We got a glow mat. Holy. We just got. Just imagine. Imagine Hank gets back and we're just all laying down in the studio. Glow matting. Oh, man, he's gonna be so jealous.

[Big Cat]

It promotes long term vitality as well.

[PFT Commenter]

This is the type of junk science I'm always in.

[Big Cat]

It works at the cellular level, in case you were wondering. Hey, this doesn't sound like it works at a cellular level.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think we need to get multiple glow mats, or do you think that I can. We can just buy one and share?

[Big Cat]

I think that if we did this in six months when we're all skinny as we could share. Yeah, it's probably better for everybody to have their own mat.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so does everyone want one? I'll buy one for everyone if everyone wants one.

[Big Cat]

The Go Mat starter kit.

[PFT Commenter]

It is a Go mat. I'm gonna call it a glow mat.

[Big Cat]

It's a Go mat.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna call it a glow mat, if that's okay.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think we need to just call it glow mats.

[Big Cat]

Well, it does say glow. Relax and recover. What is P E M F stand for?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Let's see.

[PFT Commenter]

Does it block 5G? Oh, man. Tua. But this is definitely something he's been laying on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

To. To get the concussions away. Right?

[Big Cat]

It stands for pulsed electromagnetic field.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. We're going to buy them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So, Tua. I. I would think that maybe his offensive line would look at and be like, hey, you can just keep this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you buy this for yourself?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Hey, guys, I got you this gift. I know that you haven't been blocking for me because I got benched. Oh, man. The lymph lymphatic flow. That's actually. I saw an Instagram ad that we got to get our lymphatic ducts drained.

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because we'll look so much skinnier. It's like this one thing you just, like, get it. Maybe you get it massaged out of you.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Max]

What's it called?

[PFT Commenter]

Lymphatic ducks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, what they do is they, like.

[PFT Commenter]

It'S so you don't get a double chin anymore.

[Big Cat]

Yes, they get that.

[Max]

That's why you get a beard.

[PFT Commenter]

I know. That is true.

[Big Cat]

They get all that liquid out of your system. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

They just get all the junk out.

[Big Cat]

And they tell you drink a bunch of water because you'll be pissing out your lymph. So this. It's a weird gift from Tua because if anybody on the team needs this, it's tua. Yeah. And the offensive linemen are like, hey, I. I know you probably just forgot about buying this till the last second. And you just gave us something that you had.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like two. Probably had five or six of these laying around the house.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That he was going to use.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think? Three. Three. Three glomats. Yeah, we could share. Three we can share.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we're clean enough, guys.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, I'm buying it.

[Max]

I'm not looking at the lymph spot. It's. It's saying it's a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

A lot for women should ever. Oh, yeah, it's definitely for women, but we got it. We got to explore every option when it comes to how hot we're going to look in 2026.

[Big Cat]

We used to be a proper country when quarterbacks would buy their offensive lineman trucks and coolers.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude.

[Big Cat]

Now we're getting them, like, glow up mats.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, Think about how good we're gonna look in Tahoe.

[Big Cat]

Oh, so good.

[PFT Commenter]

We might have to do a full body reveal for the whole podcast on a boat.

[Big Cat]

We look really good. I'm gonna have minimum six pack, possibly an eight pack.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, easy. All right. I just purchased three of them. This is the dumbest thing.

[Big Cat]

Do they vibrate?

[Max]

What, are they gonna wake up tomorrow morning and be like, what? What did I do?

[PFT Commenter]

My wife used to be like, you bought something at 11 o' clock at night for $4,000 from a junk science place.

[Max]

This is also how you know you've had a good gambling day.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah, for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

For sure. Listen, that's. That's 100 accurate. I had a good gambling day, and that's just a fact. So, yeah, you're gonna buy some crazy when that happens. That is gonna pay for itself. They didn't pay for itself. The amount 100. Think about it. It.

[Max]

How could. How could it not? There's no way that we.

[PFT Commenter]

I got to cancel this order.

[Max]

We use this less than 10 times. There's no way that we use this less than 10 times.

[PFT Commenter]

So stupid. God damn it. Why'd I do that? And the problem is how everything is set up now. It's got the sh. The shopify pay now you don't have to put anything in. You just click the button.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't know if you want to cancel that, because it can cure osteoporosis. It could. Arthritis.

[Max]

What?

[Big Cat]

Fractures again. If you have a broken bone, you just lay on the mat.

[Max]

Between the three of us, how many total uses do you think that would get?

[Big Cat]

So you remember.

[Max]

I'm saying two and a half.

[Big Cat]

You remember when? I remember when I bought that brain enhancer, that was probably the same technology that wrapped around my neck.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I think I spent about 600 bucks on that. I think I used it once.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. If anyone's looking for a slightly used glow mat, we've got some great prices.

[Max]

We are going to have.

[PFT Commenter]

At least.

[Max]

At least two of us are gonna have to try it.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it's a pmtb. Now, I now greatly regret. I asked Dom to find every quarterback's gifts. Now I'm regretting.

[Big Cat]

You know what we need to do? We need to have Zach just use the mat, and we can. We can monitor Zach. Yeah. And see how he does.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, boys, we got some glow mats. Imagine, though, if I.

[Big Cat]

If.

[PFT Commenter]

If I was like, hey, guys, no Christmas bonus we're getting. How mad would you be? How much would you talk if BFD and I were like, hey, boys, we really want to take care of you this year. Yeah, we got you some glow mats. Would you guys immediately just get on the text chain and just be like, these guys?

[Max]

And what if it just made us super skinny, though?

[PFT Commenter]

That's true. Yeah, that's true. We don't know, actually.

[Max]

I don't think this has anything to do.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm more.

[Max]

I'm more interested in the.

[Big Cat]

In the lymphatic massage and also improvement in biological physical functions is what it also does.

[PFT Commenter]

That was so stupid of me. Why did I hit?

[Big Cat]

This is one step up from just buying a bunch of leeches for the boys.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man, that's. Yeah. I. You know what?

[Big Cat]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That was Tyler Schuck's fault because I've made so much money laddering him. That was his fault. He.

[Max]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna bill him the clone.

[Max]

Don't. Don't you dare.

[Jersey Jerry]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

On the FAQs, one of the first benefits seen. Unfortunately, it's not possible to identify a precise time for the appearance of first benefit. This is good honesty. I like the honesty on the site.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. That was stupid. I have instant regret. I X'd out of it. I did. I hit. I hit purchase, and then I X'd out of it. So fast hoping that it like wouldn't go through. You know, when you do that, you're like, there's no way that they caught that. Yeah, there's. And I haven't gotten an email yet, so cancel button. Oh, no, I did get an email confirmed. All right, we're glow matting now. Listen, this is going to be a great purchase. We needed to buy something to kickstart our diet.

[Big Cat]

Some items should not be available for purchase after. Call it 10pm I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

This is why stores were so, so important back in the day.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. Or I need to like link my DraftKings account with my Shopify and be like, if the DraftKings account gets to here, you got to shut down the Shopify. Yeah, The all right. Jaguars 23, Colts 17. Jags are just good. They've won 12 games for the first time in 20 years. This was a tough win. Trevor Lawrence is just awesome at running touchdowns. Now he had two of them. He had that one bad pick that was like, oh, this is old Trevor Lawrence. But then he bounced back and they gutted out a win. And yeah, I'm, I'm impressed with the Jaguars. So the good team.

[Big Cat]

Jaguars on a seven game winning streak right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Longest since the year 2000 in this century. They haven't had anyone longer than that. They got to figure out their kickoff return unit. That's really the, the special teams is like a question mark for the Jaguars right now. But this, they beat the Colts pretty soundly. The final score doesn't really tell the whole picture. Yeah, because it's, it was kind of like an ass kicking that the Colts just kind of hung around until the end. Kind of a bummer to see Philip Rivers out there today because it might have been the last time that we get to see him. The Colts are already talking about benching him for, for the last week of the season, which is unfortunate because I would have liked to see. I'm always going to want more Philip Rivers in my life. I'm not done with him yet. Yeah, I hope that they just for America start Philip Rivers well and here's what I'll say.

[PFT Commenter]

We, when he was announced to come back, we all were hoping that it would go well and it didn't go well in the wins and losses. But we did get an incredible three.

[Big Cat]

Game Philip river stretch last Monday was incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we had the Seahawks game where he almost willed them doing basically like, like, you know, short yard passes, keeping them in the game. Almost willed them to a win against the maybe eventual 1 seed in the NFC. We had Monday night, which was so much fun, a true shootout with Brock Purdy until the end when it wasn't a shootout because they, like, once they went down, you know, two scores, like, all right, this is over. And then this one, which we had the patented Philip Rivers down late, we had him stomping at the refs. We had him throwing the ball downfield with every single piece of muscle and fiber in his body to no avail. It was beautiful.

[Big Cat]

You can't really tell sometimes with, with Phil these days if, if the pass is deflected or not.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They kind of have. Every pass that he throws has kind of that same velocity on it. And I. But I still love watching. I love him when he's doing the jump passes going sidearm. I love it when he's, you know, throwing temper tantrums. I hope that he's been miked up for this entire run.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's all I can hope for is that like, just if he's done, if this is the end of it, let us get one more piece of content out of him. Which is just like the best of Philip Rivers on the field in the 2025 season.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Do you think there's anyone like, let's call maybe a 17 year old who. They were 12 or 13 when Philip Rivers last played, so they didn't. Maybe weren't watching football all the time, whatever. And now they're, they're getting more into football and they saw Phil Burgers, like, he throws like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because it, that's how he always has thrown it. It's always worked and it's beautiful.

[Big Cat]

Somehow he used to have a little bit more zip on it.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, yeah, he's 44, but.

[Big Cat]

He's 44, but yes. He's always had that same motion, that same delivery. Yeah. He's just the best. And. And I hope that that's not the last. I would like to see him in week 18, please.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. And Liam Cohen, by the way, I don't know what the odds are for coach of the year, but he is. I mean, it's incredible what the Jaguars have done. And they're real, they're. They're. It's not a fluke. They're a very good team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And they've got weapons at wide receiver. They've got a running back that can get it done. I like everything about them except, like, the special teams. Concerns me a little bit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Memes good jets news because you. We're going to talk about the jets game in a minute. But could it have gone any better getting the jets or the Colts pick and then having them completely nosedive?

[Memes]

Yeah. The jets are elite at trading secondary.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean players that was, that couldn't have been the. Like, you traded Sauce Gardner to a 7 and 1 team that is now 8 and 7.

[Memes]

Yeah. This is what, this is one of the greatest trades on our end. I feel bad for Colts fans. Feel bad for Sauce Gardner because he gets all the insult graphics like or.

[PFT Commenter]

8 and 8 now. Sorry.

[Memes]

He was 1 in 7 with the Jets. Now he's 1 in 6 with the Colts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean the Colts, this sucks for the Colts because they were. I do think that they, I, I didn't never thought they were probably going to be like a true super bowl contender, but Daniel Jones injury did change the course of their season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they weren't going to choke this away. They were going to make the playoffs. With Daniel Jones, the schedule got a lot harder. That's true. And I don't think that they were ever like, they never struck me as a one seed that would stick around, but it's not like they were going to completely collapse and miss the playoffs until Daniel Jones broke his leg.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the, I think they're the sixth team all time to start 7 and 1 and then miss the playoffs. The last one being actually Lovey Smith's last year when The Bears started 7:1 and had like a pick six in every single game.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then finished 10 and six and didn't make the playoffs.

[Big Cat]

So Philip Rivers, they, they interviewed him after the game and he said, if I go back and say now you know, everything that's going to happen, what would you do? I'd do it all again. I got three bonus games that I never saw coming. I couldn't be any more grateful he did this for him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Philip Rivers wanted a chance to play football and he got it. And we're all much richer for it. And we thank you, Philip. We hope that you play next week. Shane Steichen, if you're listening, just do us all a favor. Yeah, do us all a favor. Put them out there.

[PFT Commenter]

The Jaguars go to the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

The Jaguars could go to the Super.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I agree.

[Big Cat]

They could.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Trevor Lawrence is, I would say that this year, especially the second half of this year. Second half of this year, he's been playing like a top five quarterback. Yeah. And you can't really argue against that.

[PFT Commenter]

And they also, I mean, they'll be the three seed. I don't know if they can, can they, can they catch, can they get up to the two seed? I'll look at that. Up. But they're going to get at least one game obviously at home and yeah, I do. I would. I bet on them to go to the Super Bowl. No, but if you told me that in late January the Jaguars are being super bowl like.

[Big Cat]

Okay, yeah, we're not welcome on the bandwagon.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, is that true? Well. Oh yeah. Liam Cohen. Yeah, that's right.

[Big Cat]

Well, Liam Cohen and also the rest of the team. They're like, fuck everybody.

[Jersey Jerry]

We don't.

[Big Cat]

I think we might be grandfathered into that. We've been supporters of the Jaguars for.

[PFT Commenter]

A very long time. I mean, Blake Bortles is our. Is our boat.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a fact. Yeah. Yeah. So the Jaguars. If the Jaguars win. Yeah, his jersey's right there. If the Jaguars win and the Patriots lose, they could get to the two seed. Okay, so the two seed is still there for them. They're locked in. No worse than the three seed or. No, they have to win. Sorry. They have to win. They have to win. To win the AFC south, they have to win against the Titans at home, which they should be able.

[Big Cat]

They should be able to pull that one off.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to say they're going to be able to do that.

[Big Cat]

We also had Riley Leonard getting into the game at the very end throwing, throwing a hail Mary. It was a great throw. He's going to finish the day 0 for 1 with an interception.

[PFT Commenter]

That's brutal.

[Big Cat]

But that was still a great Hail Mary.

[PFT Commenter]

Great Hail Mary. I wish they'd let Phil do it.

[Big Cat]

Okay, how far do you think he gets it?

[PFT Commenter]

The let's. Let's do another ad and then we'll do. We'll wrap up the other three games and get to the afternoon games. In the night game.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Saints 34, Titans 26.

[Big Cat]

Shock, you just got shocked up. Shock. Chuck did it again.

[PFT Commenter]

Let me just throw out a couple stats for you guys. Rookies in the super bowl era with back to back 300 plus yard games and no interceptions. Dak Prescott, Joe Burrow, Tyler Schuck, that's the list. That is the list right there. And Tyler Schuck today with his wide receiver. 2 and 3 out. RB 1, 2 and 3 out. Right guard, center, tight end, two tight end, three out. Takes the Saints down the field time and time again in the fourth quarter. He was 5 for 7, 164 yards in the fourth quarter in a touchdown. There's just something about Tyler Shuck.

[Big Cat]

Maybe if Tyler Shuck had started this entire season, the Saints would win that division. Yes, they would win the NFC South. Tyler Schuck is the best rookie in the league right now. He should win rookie of the year a hundred percent. He's playing incredible football. Who would he put the team on his back? He's doing it without Alvin Kamara. They won. Now they have four straight wins with a rookie. The last time the Saints won four in a row in the same season with the same starting quarterback was Drew Brees and that was in 2020. Tyler Schuck is the heir apparent to Drew Brees. Congrats Saints. You don't need to draft a quarterback. You got your guy to build around for the future. Tyler Schuck is elite. He should be rookie of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Absolutely.

[Big Cat]

Shookie of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Shookie of the year. Do we think he has to win this game on Sunday against Falcons to win it?

[Max]

It depends what what Ted does on in the playing game.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I, if I had a vote, it'd be Tyler Shock. My vote. NFL media realized that this guy has come in to a team that was dog shit unwatchable.

[Big Cat]

They were not to be bad but like unwatchable.

[PFT Commenter]

They were going to be the, the, the first overall pick and he has taken them. And what is he? 5 and 3 as a starter Again, back to back, back to back. 300 yard games and no interceptions as a rookie. Dak, Joe Burrow, Tyler Shock.

[Big Cat]

You know sometimes quarterbacks, they have it. Sometimes quarterbacks. Yep, they have moxie.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Tyler Schuck has both moxie and it both.

[PFT Commenter]

These are facts.

[Big Cat]

He's the man.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, Dak Prescott, he was the offensive rookie of the year when he did that Joe Burrow. I'm really hoping that when I scroll down, he was.

[Big Cat]

I think he would have had to be. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll cut that.

[Big Cat]

Do they have a. Who won it that year?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. I don't know who would have won it.

[Max]

Joe bro didn't win rookie of the year. Who.

[PFT Commenter]

Who would have won it?

[Big Cat]

He got hurt, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Right? Yeah. Or some Justin Herbert, maybe. Maybe. Yeah, that actually sounds right.

[Max]

Justin Herbert, probably Justin Herbert.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All right. Well, okay. So Tyler Schuck is not. Yeah.

[Max]

Justin Herbert.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no. No way. No way, sir.

[Big Cat]

Now, Tyler Shuck, if Tet has a bad game, the Bucks win, then we've got the Falcons and the Saints. But we already said that we wanted the Falcons to beat the Saints.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want this.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. So that the Panthers get in.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, I retract. I retract. We want shot.

[Max]

Yeah, I, I. You were saying that earlier.

[PFT Commenter]

I know. I up too many things going on.

[Max]

The only thing I was thinking is.

[PFT Commenter]

I want Chuck is more important than Stephen Shea.

[Max]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Easily by far. I would kill Stephen Shea right now. If you meant that Tyler Schuck was. Was working at Barstool. Murder him. Give me the gun.

[Big Cat]

Tyler Schuck is just. He's a culture changer. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way. So I. You guys know this. It was on. So we were on break this week. I was down in Florida with my family. I get a text from my friend Brandon who used to work PR with the Bears, and he was like, hey, a friend of mine at the Saints had a favor to ask you. I was like, yeah, sure, no problem. Just connect me with him, I guess. The Saints do, like, a Captain's Corner video every Saturday where they. They kind of. It's kind of like Sunday conversation with Caleb, but it's guys on the team doing it. And this week it was Tyler Schuck getting interviewed by, like, someone in house. And they just show it for the team. And they're like, hey, can you do. Can you join a zoom and do, like, 30 seconds on Tyler Shock? Like, yes. Would you say anything for Tyler Shuck? I did the 30 seconds. I think I said, go shuck them up seven times. And I also didn't know who they were playing at the time. But Tyler Schuck did reach out and he said, I appreciate the video, and he will be on PMT at some point in the offseason.

[Big Cat]

Love it.

[PFT Commenter]

We love Tyler Shock.

[Max]

That just, like, gave me goosebumps.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, exactly. We Gotta get him here in person. Oh, I just want to catch a pass from him.

[Big Cat]

I know. Good luck.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you mean?

[Max]

That's a catchable ball.

[Big Cat]

He also throws bullets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but he throws, like, weight.

[Max]

But he would figure out a way to make sure that that caught.

[PFT Commenter]

Stuck in our hands like a pillow getting in here.

[Max]

That's what Tyler Shock does.

[Big Cat]

He would put it where only we could catch it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And make sure that we got some.

[PFT Commenter]

Some.

[Max]

He knows his receiver.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Max]

Yeah, he knows how to throw it to each guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Speaking of which, Chris Olave, like, his career just, like, completely changed when Derek Carr retired.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but now he's got a lottery ticket with Shuck.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what I'm saying?

[Max]

Chuck started being quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

I know, but. But, like, he was. He was going to the hospital every week. Yeah. Now he's.

[Big Cat]

Chuck is saving lives.

[PFT Commenter]

Incredible. Yes.

[Big Cat]

How many lives has he. Has he saved since he's been in the NFL?

[PFT Commenter]

Can he win offensive Rookie of the Year and Man of the Year?

[Big Cat]

Walter Payton?

[PFT Commenter]

He should. All right. That was our Saints, Titans, Titans also played in this game.

[Big Cat]

Also, if I was a Titans fan, I'd be pumped because Cam Ward looks good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And you got shocked.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, everyone gets shocked.

[PFT Commenter]

You. You can say someday in 20 years. You know the guy who ended up winning 10 Super Bowls? Yeah, He.

[Big Cat]

He. He shocked us better men than me.

[PFT Commenter]

He was a rookie before anyone realized who he was. Now, there is a little problem. That Tyler Schuckey is 26. So I say 10 years. That might not be true.

[Max]

True.

[PFT Commenter]

It might be like five years, but whatever. Tyler Schuck is here and he's real.

[Big Cat]

I just think that if you're the Titans, you're. You're pretty pumped about the way the last, what, four weeks have gone?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Last month has been pretty good. Feeling better about Cam Ward? Feeling okay about just everything? Yeah. In and around your organization? Yeah, it's. It's been good. It's been a good time for you. So not to take anything away from them. Their offense looked considerably better than it did in the first half of the season, so congrats. You got Chase Young, too. A little bit. But mostly you got shucked.

[PFT Commenter]

Tyler Shuck, by the way, got his team shop, a shopping spree at Hugo Boss, and some cologne for Christmas.

[Big Cat]

Legend.

[PFT Commenter]

He barely was starting legend.

[Big Cat]

And that's probably, like, his entire salary.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Cam Ward got his Team1K airline voucher. That's kind of a shitty gift.

[Big Cat]

You know who else got their guys a bunch of Hugo Boss stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Oh, I Thought you say who got them Their guys a bunch of airline vouchers. Also bad. Open up a. Yeah, listen.

[Big Cat]

Same guy that designed the New York or the New Jersey State Patrol uniforms.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, we're. Listen. Volkswagen Bug.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Cam Warder also got Louis Vuitton wallet and Nintendo Switch. That's a good gift.

[Big Cat]

Great gift.

[PFT Commenter]

Should we get some Nintendo switches? All right, let's keep.

[Big Cat]

You got to stop on.

[PFT Commenter]

Stop the. Yeah. Tyler Shuck. He's the best. I love him. He's the best. He's going to be. You got your QB one. I'm convinced. I have maintained this. I've said this before on the show. If Tyler Schuck had a name that everyone knew how to pronounce, he would have been one. One.

[Big Cat]

But now everybody does.

[PFT Commenter]

But now everybody does.

[Big Cat]

Now we do.

[PFT Commenter]

But seriously, there will be. There will be documentaries on how did we miss this guy in the draft? And they'd be like, well, his name is kind of spelled weird, and how you pronounce it is different.

[Big Cat]

It probably. There were probably some guys in the war rooms of various teams that didn't want to speak up about this guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

They didn't want to be like, Tyler.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They'd be like, Tyler Shaw. And then there'd be one guy say, oh, you don't know ball.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's. Have you not watched college football?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then you're a scout and you didn't know that it's Tyler Shaw.

[Big Cat]

That would make everybody feel awkward.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They all just sat there saying, I don't want to be the one to say his name.

[Big Cat]

Get shocked up.

[PFT Commenter]

Patriots 42, Jets 10. The only thing I wrote down about this was this was basically a week two college football football game, like Ohio State versus Grambling.

[Big Cat]

It was. It was bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that fair? Memes.

[Big Cat]

It was really bad.

[Memes]

We're talking Jets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I said Patriots 42, Jets 10. This was reminiscent of a week two college football game.

[Memes]

Oh, yeah. All our guys are dead. I don't know a lot of guys on defense right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Still no interceptions.

[Memes]

Who cares about.

[Big Cat]

And the Patriots memes, We do care. We do care. We can't care.

[PFT Commenter]

We're gonna bet. We're gonna bet for you to get an interception. We can't.

[Big Cat]

You got to get a pick.

[PFT Commenter]

Got to do it.

[Big Cat]

Get one pick.

[Memes]

No. You could be the first team to never get one in a season.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true. That's a good point.

[Big Cat]

Do you want that?

[Memes]

Yeah, we just break all the records.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

Breeze hall broke a record, snapped the streak for running backs with a thousand yard season for the jets today. Last one was 2015, but that's a good thing.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but I think we talked about it last week. Remember we said that if you're a Jets fan in 20 years, when you're on top and the rebuild has happened, you want to have like things you can point to and be like, you know, there was a year where you got zero interceptions. Yeah, this is one of those.

[Big Cat]

Like I'm a real fan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I remember that. Right. Like, like some year and let's say 10 years from now when your defense is humming and you have, you have 35 interceptions, you'd be like, there was actually a year we got zero.

[Big Cat]

So we bet on the jets to get an interception today because we need. We. We want it to happen.

[PFT Commenter]

We do.

[Big Cat]

It has to happen. And I didn't realize like how far away the jets are at all times from getting an intercept. There's nothing close.

[PFT Commenter]

There was. I counted one time and it was. The guy had to have hands in the. In his back for it to be an interception.

[Memes]

No. Yeah, I think, I think I know.

[PFT Commenter]

The exact one you were talking about. Yeah, that was the only time that it was really even a.

[Memes]

If he just turned his head and.

[PFT Commenter]

Had hands in his back.

[Memes]

And had hands in his back.

[Big Cat]

Wait, memes. Who's going to start at quarterback against you guys next week?

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe Mitch.

[Memes]

It doesn't matter.

[Big Cat]

Better they could.

[PFT Commenter]

Mitch.

[Memes]

Everyone's on IR.

[PFT Commenter]

The Drake May played a perfect game. 19 for 21, 256 yards, five touchdowns. He was also like. They just invented receivers.

[Big Cat]

Afton Chisholm Fton Chisholm iii.

[PFT Commenter]

They just invented receivers lacrosse. You take a touchdown.

[Big Cat]

That's such a lacrosse. Yeah, it was. It was a clinic. Drake May put on a clinic today. And the Patriots ended their season being perfect on the road. Eight, zero. Pretty damn good. I have an insult stat about the Jets. Do you know who the leading receiver on the New York jets is?

[PFT Commenter]

Is it A.D. mitchell?

[Big Cat]

No, it's Garrett Wilson.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I was gonna say 80. Mitchell would be funny because he.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Got here halfway through the season.

[Big Cat]

Garrett Wilson. Do you know the last catch that he had? The date of his last catch?

[PFT Commenter]

That has to be like October.

[Big Cat]

It's October 12th. Also insult STAT. Diggs got engaged after the game. Oh, the jets are bring a diamond ring to the game and propose to Cardi B. That's how bad they are.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn. Damn. Do you know also insults that not fully Jets. If Sauce Gardner was his own NFL team, he would have the first pick. Yeah, because he won one game this year.

[Big Cat]

I thought he won one since he's been on the Colts and one on the Jets.

[PFT Commenter]

No, he did. He didn't win one on the Chats.

[Big Cat]

He didn't.

[Memes]

He was out that camp.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

He played in one. He played in one win. The team won, but he didn't play. He played in one single win.

[Big Cat]

That's what happens when you have a guy that just checks out and only cares about golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Pfd.

[Max]

I think you got got on that Stefan Diggs thing.

[Big Cat]

Was that not an actual picture?

[Max]

I think he just fell.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, wait, he's on it.

[Big Cat]

He's on the way.

[Memes]

You fell.

[Max]

I think he was tying his shoe.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. You know. Pft. I'm. Hey, hell, this is it. No, this is a booth. You guys are doing your. Your whole thing where you're younger than us and you're gonna try to shame us. Pft, I got your back. This has been a long week. We've been off. You get a little. I thought Kenneth Lofton Jr. Was going back to Louisiana Tech.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. I mean, he also did post it, which is bullshit.

[Big Cat]

In the picture that I saw on X.com the. There was no community note on it. This is Elon's fault.

[Memes]

Since we're being nice, I won't tell PFD that the Garrett Wilson stat was revealed, like, three weeks ago.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. But.

[Big Cat]

No, it's. It's.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it got worse now. No, no, no, no, no. You got it.

[Big Cat]

You overstepped. You overstepped. That stat is more relevant now because they've played three more games.

[Memes]

It's old news.

[Big Cat]

But that news can change.

[Memes]

No, they stunk back then. They stink now.

[Big Cat]

Okay?

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Big Cat]

If that stat is good. I accept the fact that Cardi B. Wait, so you're telling me Cardi B's single?

[PFT Commenter]

She's not. All right.

[Memes]

They probably like.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, Pft, I got your back. This is. This is.

[Big Cat]

Pull up that picture again.

[PFT Commenter]

That's an engagement picture. I'm gonna say that it was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I choose to believe. But you could imagine it could be true. That's what. We got to go.

[Big Cat]

I mean, look at her.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be a Stefon Diggs Cardi B engagement.

[Big Cat]

She's looking at him like, oh, my God, it's finally happening.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That Mean Job by Stefan Diggs.

[Max]

It says three likes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's another one. That's not the original one I saw.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna go like it. That was. That Wait, who tweeted that? G stat. What was that? Twitter account.

[Big Cat]

A bunch of people tweeted it.

[Max]

G Stacks is back.

[PFT Commenter]

G Stacks is back. Shout out. G Stacks is back.

[Memes]

No one would propose there anyway.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's a haunted. Haunted turf.

[Memes]

Haunted. But World cup coming this summer, so hopefully they keep the grass.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they're not going to.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, they won't. Okay. Bengals 37, Cardinals 14. Joe Burrow, still awesome. Jamar Chase got his touchdowns. He was talking about it all week. Jacoby Brissette tried to get a. He got a garbage time touchdown for us. And it doesn't really matter because we still lost in fantasy, which we will have to have an exit interview with Jerry.

[Big Cat]

Ok, well, we don't know that, Big Cat. There's a chance that Matt Stafford and Colby Parkinson could combine for negative three points.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

And if they do, then we could be in the money.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. That, like, that's what we're rooting for.

[Big Cat]

Some organizations are okay with second place.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna comment on that right now. We're gonna take our time. We're gonna evaluate the goods and the bads as we do every season. We'll have our exit interview, and we'll see about Jerry's future.

[PFT Commenter]

Also, shout out Chase Brown. I love. I. I love these. I know no one cares about your fantasy team. This actually isn't about my fantasy team. But I do love guys who show up in the fantasy playoffs. And if you had Chase Brown on your team in the semifinals and finals, he had 250 total yards and five touchdowns the last two weeks, you'll remember Chase Brown forever.

[Big Cat]

But it's always. It's also catch 22, where it's like if you had Chase Brown and you start him constantly, you probably aren't.

[PFT Commenter]

You never know. But it's. There are certain guys that, you know, you have. And I mean, I. This one's a little different, but I had LT. And in 2006, I want to say, and it was like the greatest year ever, because I would just pull up the app and it'd be like, oh, Daniel Tomlinson had 40 points again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. They stick with you.

[PFT Commenter]

They stick with you forever. They just. They. They. We should have. We. We should do that. Like, guys, personal hall of Fames.

[Memes]

Dwayne Bow.

[Big Cat]

Dwayne.

[Memes]

Ronnie White.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. Yep. Everyone. Every guy has their personal hall of Fame. That's just like that guy. He did something for me.

[Big Cat]

I'm always.

[PFT Commenter]

And I'll always remember them.

[Big Cat]

I. Chris Johnson, Thomas Jones. That was a great year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I had. I'll go all the way back. I did a. When I was like maybe 13. It must have been like 13 or 14. I was in a college basketball points. March madness points pool where it's. You drafted like 10 guys and it was just the amount of points they scored. Keith Bogans, Nice. He. He did something for me there.

[Big Cat]

One year I had. I had J.J. watt because we had defense too. Oh, I. J.J. watt. And so when he would catch touchdowns. Yep. I felt like I. I was a genius.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, the. The. The personal hall of Fames for every guy I had. I want to. It was Annabelle Sanchez when he threw a no hitter for the Marlins. He throw a no hitter for the Marlins. Right.

[Big Cat]

Personal hall of Fame, people forget about Matt Harper, but he would get a double double every night.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, there's. There's guys. There's just guys out there. It was for the Marlins, right? I want to say I had him on my team and he was. Was that it? There it is. Yeah. Marlins. Annabelle Sanchez had him on my team. You got so many extra points for no hitter. Guys. Personal hall of Fames. We got to do that maybe in the summer. Just go through all of our guys.

[Big Cat]

What do we think about Joe Burrow?

[PFT Commenter]

The gift was something. So he gave his offensive lineman fossils. Dinosaur fossils.

[Big Cat]

That rocks.

[PFT Commenter]

It does rock that rock. I know it probably at the moment, if you're an offensive lineman on the Bengals.

[Big Cat]

No, wait. Fossils play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's something. That's really cool.

[Big Cat]

Jurassic Park.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's very cool. They. That. That's. I would like a dinosaur fossil.

[Big Cat]

Like, that's kind of. It's kind of priceless when you think about it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think he's going to give it a go next year. I think he might get traded.

[Big Cat]

I think so too. I think he'll be back.

[PFT Commenter]

He will definitely be the guy who. It's Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow just have those shifter alerts on because it does feel. I don't know if he'll get traded. I know that there will definitely be some phone calls asking what the price is. Yeah, that. That feels like it's gonna happen, right?

[Big Cat]

I think there should be. I think most general managers should make a call about Joe Burrow, but I. I don't think the Bengals are going to trade him. I don't think he's gonna do a power play where he's like, I'm not gonna play for you guys anymore. I think that Joe Burrow, although he does seem to be showing off the flow a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like putting himself out there. Yeah, he's gonna come back. My prediction about Joe Burrow, he's going to come back to Bengals camp and he's gonna have some weird new hairstyle that he's gonna show off for it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because right now, what he's doing, he's. He's growing it out so he can have a clean palette and just design it in whatever form he wants. The second they get back to camp, he.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe Goth Burrow.

[Big Cat]

Gothborough would be cool. The mullet would be good on Joe, too.

[PFT Commenter]

Gothborough would be sick. Yeah, we'll see what happens to Joe Burrow. Yeah, we'll see what happens with Joe Burrow. Okay, the afternoon games. The first one is the Giants winning against the Raiders, which means they actually lost because they lost the first pick. And we actually have an awl. Who tweeted at. Pardon my take, shout out. Souplax12 Junior. He said, don't even bother wasting breath talking about the Raiders tonight. I'll do it for you. They're the worst team in history. Just skip right over it. I think we should respect his wishes.

[Big Cat]

I just have one thing to say.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. That's not respecting his wishes.

[Big Cat]

And I'm. You know what?

[PFT Commenter]

Say something about the Giants. But working. You can talk about the Giants.

[Big Cat]

The Giants have now tied the Raiders for most wins at Allegiant Stadium this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Also included in that list is the Bears, the Jaguars, the Cowboys, the Browns, and the Broncos.

[PFT Commenter]

Surely that's not where they play their home games. Games.

[Max]

We're talking about the. We're. We're not talking about that team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm saying the Giants equaled their opponent.

[Max]

I know, but then he started asking.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not talking about the Las Vegas Raiders. I am excited to watch the Madden movie, which is about the Oakland Raiders.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Totally different.

[Big Cat]

Nick Cage.

[PFT Commenter]

Nick Cage.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Shane Gillis made some cameo. I think Christian Bale is Al Davis.

[Big Cat]

Oh, fuck. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Who plays Howie Long?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

They should have had Chris play.

[PFT Commenter]

I should have had Howie.

[Big Cat]

Howie. He still looks like he's 40.

[PFT Commenter]

Put the pads on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Giants. Listen, the Giants ran into a team that they could beat, and they beat the fuck out of them.

[Max]

They.

[PFT Commenter]

The Giants tried really hard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And there's no. You know what? I'm gonna. I'm at suplex. You get. You get your wish. I'm not gonna. I was gonna say something about some defensive ends that got benched. And all that stuff. But. But we'll just move on.

[Big Cat]

Like the guys that are jumping on trampolines.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Shooting hoops with their kids.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And they should probably be traded.

[Big Cat]

How soft of a defense do you have to be to not send Jackson Dart to the concussion?

[PFT Commenter]

It's. It's pillow soft.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Pillow soft. Okay, next one. Eagles 13, bills 12. Max, congratulations. Good win. We were starting the recording while you were watching the end. I want your thoughts.

[Max]

The Go defense looks very good. Offensive offense was not good in the second half. Play calling was bad. Couldn't run the ball. Offensive line was bad. Didn't complete a pass.

[Big Cat]

Does it trouble you, Max, that Jalen Hurts is the only quarterback to ever go over seven or worse in a half?

[Max]

Yeah, I thought that. I thought that there would be more Jalen Hurts slander than Josh Allen slander at this point of this recap, but continue.

[Big Cat]

Well, you're. We don't talk to you. Talk to you about the Eagles.

[PFT Commenter]

He's injured.

[Max]

Okay. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Josh didn't play well. The bill. I mean, the Eagles defense.

[Max]

If Josh Allen made the. If Jalen Hurts made that throw in the two point conversion, he would have been kicked out of the league today.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[PFT Commenter]

Out of the league. He would have been kicked out of the league.

[Max]

If he got two tush push touchdowns and then made that throw in the two point conversion.

[PFT Commenter]

Kicked out.

[Max]

He would have been kicked out of league.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Kicked out of league.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Max]

We love Josh. We love Josh Allen on this show.

[PFT Commenter]

But he didn't play well. What do you want to say?

[Max]

It's just that every. Everything that I'm seeing is about this stat that BFT brought up.

[Big Cat]

It was just a question that I had for you.

[PFT Commenter]

Geez, Max, can I. I had a. I had a stat too that I was gonna.

[Max]

He had. There was two drops in the second half. There was two drops in the 2nd half and three drop backs. He missed two passes. They couldn't run the ball. They couldn't get the. They could not do anything.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I mean, Max is right. It was. It's a function of the play. Correct calling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Should I not do my set?

[Big Cat]

Do your stuff. He seems a little testy, but you have to have a bad Josh Allen stat if you want to do a bad Jalen Hurt stat.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Josh Allen. Oh, and one today.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Also per True Media Sports is from Robert Mays. There have been 10 games this year where a team had fewer than five passing yards in a half. The Eagles have three of them.

[Max]

How Many of those were wins.

[Big Cat]

Good question.

[PFT Commenter]

Good question.

[Big Cat]

At least 2.

[PFT Commenter]

Why at least two? What was the other one?

[Big Cat]

I remember the other one was.

[PFT Commenter]

There. Had. Yeah.

[Max]

Packers, I think.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Because.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It was in that game.

[PFT Commenter]

Win football games. How are you?

[Max]

It was also downpouring. The entire game, like. Downpouring. No, the. The Eagles couldn't catch shit, Buddy.

[PFT Commenter]

I think. You think we're coming at you.

[Big Cat]

We're not.

[PFT Commenter]

We're doing stats.

[Big Cat]

We're not coming. We're not coming at you.

[PFT Commenter]

We're not coming at you. Put your guns down.

[Memes]

You're very hostile.

[PFT Commenter]

We were. Max. Yeah. Thank you. He's. He's. He's. You got. You're on edge right now. You won the game. You. You're very much alive for the two seed. If the Bears lose to the Lions.

[Jersey Jerry]

Who.

[PFT Commenter]

Dan Campbell. You know, he's going to try really hard. And the Eagles beat the. The Commanders. That's a two seed.

[Big Cat]

Big game, though. This hat and T shirt game next week.

[Max]

He already started talking about this today. Somehow he could. He's still in it for the NFC east in season tournament.

[Big Cat]

No, it's not in NFC east tournament.

[Max]

In. It is in season.

[Big Cat]

It's also an in season tournament. Yes. Also. Why did you. Max, this is not my invention. This is.

[Max]

No, of course not.

[Big Cat]

This is Dan Quinn's invention.

[Max]

Of course not.

[Big Cat]

You know that Dan Quinn came up with it.

[Max]

So he's the one who's saying that this is a championship game.

[Big Cat]

I'm saying that.

[Max]

Who came up with that?

[Big Cat]

That going into the last four games of the season? That was Dan Quinn's message.

[Max]

So what do you think that's still his message after he's lost two of those games?

[Big Cat]

I know it's a triple elimination tournament.

[Max]

So Dan Quinn is the one who's saying all of this.

[Big Cat]

I'm extrapolating from Dan Quinn presenting the tournament. Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

Great. Okay. Dan Quinn. Yep. He invented all of this. Has nothing to do with you.

[Big Cat]

Hat and T shirt game. Yep.

[Max]

Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

You won the game.

[Max]

Yeah. The defense is fucking elite.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree with. I think your defense is like, if you can get a little bit of offense going. The Eagles are definitely in that category. The Eagles can win the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I agree. See, Max, you. You mistake the forest for the trees. Sometimes when it comes to us talking about the Eagles, you won't find a podcast that has been more acknowledging of the Eagles potential for success than part of my take.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So when we. When we talk about Jalen Hurts and some of the Shortcomings. It's because we expect more out of him.

[Max]

I actually thought about buying the thing to watch tape today because I wanted to look at every single one of.

[PFT Commenter]

His throws because I need to watch tape.

[Big Cat]

Are you talking about a computer?

[Max]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

You have one of those?

[Max]

Dude, I don't think. No. Don't you have to have some all 22 access? Yeah, I, I thought about buying.

[Big Cat]

You know what, Max? You know what? We, we don't have to come into work tomorrow. I've got the access to all 20. I've got the things. I'm gonna grind some tape for you and I'm gonna break down all of Jalen hurts throws for you. Okay?

[PFT Commenter]

All you got. Listen, you don't worry about it.

[Big Cat]

What do you mean you don't trust me? What am I going to do?

[PFT Commenter]

You, you, you lay down on your glow mat and pft is going to break down some tape?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm your thing to watch tape. You got one of those things now? No, but yeah, it's a friend with a all 22 access.

[Max]

I know I should have. I, I, I was, I was sitting in the back of that during Sunday Night Football. I, I, because I knew this was coming because I kept seeing a bunch of tweets about the passing yards in the second half and I, I was trying to like go through like the play by play and look at if they said that. Which ones were throwaways? I think there were three throwaways and two drops of the seven throws, which, and I know the offensive line is a problem. We need Lane Johnson back bad. I think they're just not going to play him until the playoffs, which I am in favor of. But we need Lane Johnson back back because the offensive line stinks. Really stinks.

[Big Cat]

Defensive line look good.

[Jersey Jerry]

Yeah.

[Max]

Jalen Carter back.

[Big Cat]

He makes a difference.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know how he didn't shatter his hand on that blocked field goal. His whole hand like vibrated.

[Max]

He's not a real, he's not a real human.

[PFT Commenter]

It's crazy. Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah, I honestly, if you walk away from this game, you weather and the fact that the defense looked as good as it did and had Josh Allen in hell, the Eagles are going to be one of those teams that I don't think anyone wants to play in January.

[Big Cat]

Max, would you, would you think at the very end when they went for two, did you want them to, to kick the extra point or go for two?

[PFT Commenter]

As a fan of the Eagles, I.

[Max]

For sure wanted them to go for two.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

For sure.

[Big Cat]

I would think so because our defense.

[Max]

Was so dominant the entire game. I would rather the situation. The. The win the game situation be with our defense and our offense. Offense at that point.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You weren't scoring any more points.

[Max]

That's not. I'm not saying that either. But at that point, I. I was happy that also.

[PFT Commenter]

That would have been bad if. If all these stats were fourth quarter or second half and overtime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

No, you would have made sure that.

[PFT Commenter]

No. That we wouldn't have Want to do that.

[Big Cat]

You what? That would count.

[PFT Commenter]

We wouldn't have won another half. Do that.

[Max]

No, you just. He could have scored a touchdown to win the game in overtime. You still would have done the second half. Stat stats.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Absolutely.

[Memes]

No.

[Big Cat]

If Jalen Hurts had won that game, we would not have brought those stats.

[Max]

He did win the game.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[Max]

Sometimes I'm not even mad.

[Big Cat]

Sometimes you come.

[Max]

So I also.

[PFT Commenter]

We buttered you up. You did come out mad there. You came out mad.

[Max]

Well, you guys are. You guys are being dicks. And I like, went into that game being like, this is calm. It's not that big of a deal whether we win or lose this game, but. And even as I was watching it, I was like, it's okay. It's okay. This isn't. This isn't the end of the world sort of get. There was. My reaction to them winning was very subdued because I just kept telling myself, like, it's okay. We don't need to freak it.

[Big Cat]

We can.

[Max]

We don't need to freak out for this. We don't need to.

[PFT Commenter]

It is weird playing in these games where you're already in the playoffs and your seed is not guaranteed, like, set, but it's almost set. It's weird to, like, stay in that mentality where you've been, we got to get in the playoffs. We got to get in the playoffs. And you have a game like this, which is a big game because the Bills. But it's. It really means nothing, especially when you're.

[Max]

Out of the one seed. Like, the one seed means a lot because you. You get that extra week of rest.

[PFT Commenter]

And you winning two games when you're.

[Max]

When it's down to the two or the three seed, it's not that big of a deal. So it's like, you don't need to live. Live and die with every play like I normally do. So I just kept telling. I was like, it's okay.

[PFT Commenter]

And you know what?

[Big Cat]

This is a down season for the Eagles. Like, this is A pretty fucking good down season.

[Max]

Yeah. No, I mean, we could very well get the two seated. It's.

[Jersey Jerry]

Is it.

[PFT Commenter]

It is funny if we go back like a month and a half when you're like, I don't give a fuck about the Bears in terms of seating, and now it's. We're just locked in a two.

[Max]

Oh, yeah. No, I watched that game. I was very silent. I was heavily rooting for the Niners. I was for sure, the two.

[PFT Commenter]

The. The two, three battle is. Is on.

[Max]

It is. Yeah, it's very, very.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You're going to root for the Lions, for sure. You have to.

[Big Cat]

For sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, it's also the packers obviously can, you know, put together a great game, but they're the most. They're the most injured team going into the playoffs.

[Max]

Yeah. Also, I was thinking about this. Right now. It's looking like, very possible that it could be Seattle going to Philly in the first round. That might be like the lowest total.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Of like a. Like a playoff game ever.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

That's just going to be in a dog fight.

[Memes]

If that's.

[Max]

If that's the case.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, if the Bears and Eagles win their first round games, they're going to play each other.

[Max]

Very well in Chicago.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but they're gonna play each other. Yeah, that.

[Max]

That'll. I. I'm saying that right now. Ron needs to be here.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

I was thinking that. I was also thinking that you need backup.

[PFT Commenter]

Definitely.

[Max]

I can't.

[PFT Commenter]

Roan's invited for anything.

[Big Cat]

You need backup for that?

[Max]

No, but. Yeah, he's not invited. I need, like.

[PFT Commenter]

I need. I need him there. Yeah, I need.

[Max]

But I can't. I can't go against that entire cave solo.

[Big Cat]

He's gotta be without Roan. I. I would have dominated you in the NFC championship game last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Daddy. To come and take care of your mean friends for you.

[Max]

No, he's.

[Big Cat]

True.

[Memes]

I do.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want to play the Eagles again. I. I feel like you. When we got you on Black Friday, it was like, you know, you didn't really see the run thing coming, and now you're going to be prepared for it. It's different game.

[Max]

I don't want to play you guys either.

[Big Cat]

Max, in terms of.

[Max]

My brother was screaming at me, by the way.

[Big Cat]

For what?

[Max]

On Friday, I went. I went. I went to the Bulls Sixers game. Bulls won that game. And after we. My brother started. John, a little bit with. With the Chicago fans saying that we got the Eagles, we got the Eagles, and I'M like, well, they have the Bears. Bears are kind of good. He's like, I don't give a about.

[PFT Commenter]

We might need your brother here.

[Max]

He's like. He's like, you think we're gonna lose to the Bears or the playoffs? I was like, dude, don't. Don't say that. Don't say that.

[Big Cat]

You might need all the Delintes that there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, bring them all.

[Big Cat]

Max, when you're watching with your family, are you. Are you the worst one? Are you the one that flips out the most?

[Max]

Absolutely not.

[Big Cat]

Are you the voice of reason?

[PFT Commenter]

Scary.

[Max]

Absolutely not.

[PFT Commenter]

That's scary.

[Big Cat]

Are you at least second?

[PFT Commenter]

We might need another delente in the.

[Max]

I don't. I don't think. I don't think it could happen.

[PFT Commenter]

That would be very funny.

[Max]

It is like the loudest room in the world when there's an Eagle. Like an Eagle Eagles game on in my living room.

[Big Cat]

In terms of the Eagles losses or in terms of their. Their wins that have felt like losses this year, would you put this first, second, or third? Because there's three of them.

[Max]

I. This is.

[PFT Commenter]

Rank your win losses.

[Big Cat]

So. So the Packers.

[PFT Commenter]

The Packers.

[Max]

Packers is probably one.

[Big Cat]

Okay. And then the Lions. I would say that's another win that felt like a loss.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And then this one, when that felt like loss, maybe I would actually say that this feels the least like loss.

[Max]

The packers was the most.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. They're all fucking wins.

[Big Cat]

Fuck you.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, last game. Bears 49ers, 49ers, 42, Bears 38. This was an awesome game. It sucks the Bears lost, but, I mean, in terms of watchability, this was one of the best games of the year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think that you can take what, like the. The Bears are just a very good offensive team, and it's shocking to the system to say that about the Chicago Bears.

[PFT Commenter]

I said it out loud. I was like, we're in a shootout.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And we're. We're in, like, not. You know, we're. We're partaking in a little bit of. We're in a shootout where every time the offense is on the field, you expect them to score.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, they almost won that game at the end with that, the lateral play. It felt good. Caleb had some unreal throws again today.

[PFT Commenter]

He was great tonight.

[Big Cat]

So if you're watching this. Yeah. You lost. You lost to a really good team of the 49ers in their house in a game that meant a lot for the 49ers to try to get the 1 seed for the Bears. To try to.

[PFT Commenter]

They could very well be the one seed.

[Big Cat]

They might be the one seed. And I mean the defense. You knew that the defense was an issue.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I've been saying it all year and I, I think people listened because, you know, during the game, people like, your defense is trash. Like I've, I've said it. You guys can back me up. I've said it all year. If the Bears don't get turnovers, it's a problem. And then some people are like, hey, they got to pick six. I said turnovers. The Bears were one turn. They needed two turnovers to win that game. They got one also. If they got two turnovers, they win that game. Don't you agree? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It might also be nice if you get a turnover. It's going to sound stupid, but maybe not score right away off the turnover. Take a little time off the clock. Keep the ball out of Brock Purdy's hands. Because Brock Purdy all of a sudden has turned into the best quarterback who's ever played football.

[PFT Commenter]

He was phenomenal. He was toying with the Bears. It felt like he knew where everyone on the field was. He reached a higher level. He was so good. And the, the Niners offense is just playing at a different level right now. If you go. Because we didn't obviously talk about the Monday night games. We never, we pre taped the show Monday night tonight. It's pretty much perfect offense. They're playing and they didn't have Kittle and it's, it's just crazy to watch how in. Trent Williams is out after the first play. So the Niners are just, they'll be in a shoot. Their defense is also problematic. You'd agree.

[Big Cat]

I would agree. They can't get to the quarterback at all.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That, that was, that's. You watch two defensive lines that are just not good at getting any pressure on the quarterback back.

[Big Cat]

Like zero pressure.

[PFT Commenter]

And I, I knew that about the, I knew that about the Niners too, but I knew that about the Bears. Like you, the, the. I, it's, it's at least down. I've been on a loss in a long time because I walked away from this game still convinced that if you asked me gun to head right now, are the Bears going to Super Bowl, I'd probably say no. But if you asked me, can the Bears play with every single team in the NFC playoffs, I'd say absolutely, yes. In a one game, in a one game tournament, they can beat any of these teams. Can they do it three Times in a row. I don't know. I don't fucking know. But I. There's not one team where I'm like, we have no chance against them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they played definitely good enough to win. That last pass was like a yard short of target, and I gotta watch that.

[PFT Commenter]

I gotta get. I gotta get my all 22 guy. You.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'll break that one down.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know if the flat was open, but that also is very risky because you didn't have the. A timeout, and if he gets tackled, it's game over.

[Big Cat]

So, I mean, in the second half, he completed more than zero passes, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Ah, the flat's not really.

[Big Cat]

I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to break that down. When I compare and contrast, Jalen hurts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No, Caleb was. I feel like Caleb opened up some eyes tonight on a national stage where he is. Because he had the quote earlier this week where he was saying, there's been a lot of doubters. Oh, someone was open on the backside. I mean, that's an impossible thing.

[Max]

Yeah, it's impossible throw.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. I, I, I don't like that. All 22.

[Big Cat]

Is that DJ Moore?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's on the opposite side.

[Big Cat]

DJ Moore is jumping up and down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a bad.

[Big Cat]

That's a bad visual.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a really hard, like, to, to. That's a really hard throw to make. That's also a throw that, like, guys making. You're like, holy, don't make that throw.

[Big Cat]

I think he could make that throw, though.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, I'm saying, like, at, you know, if this, if this happened in the second quarter of a Week 10 game, they're like, oh, that's a stupid throw to throw it all the way across the field. Yeah. Cam Ward's made that throw, and we've been like, that was risky. Yeah. I wish he had seen DJ more there. That sucks. But even when he's looking that way, he's covered and then he's not.

[Big Cat]

It does feel like Kyle Shanahan's in a flow state right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

With his play calling, everything's perfect. And Christian McCaffrey is doing everything. It's like Christian McCaffrey is playing perfect football. Brock Purdy is. Brock Purdy's feeling himself so much, he's designing multiple touchdown dances so that when he gets his second one, he's got a different variation of the Dougie that he can pull out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's.

[Big Cat]

That's dangerous levels of swag for Brock Purdy.

[PFT Commenter]

That one play he had when he, when he hit Ushek in the end zone when he just basically dodged. He was neo in the Matrix.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It was insane to watch. He, the 49ers are, are going to be a big problem in the NFC playoffs because I don't know how you get consistent stops against this offense, especially when Kittle is back and Trent Williams. But yeah, the, it, it was also one of those situations where the Bears have won pretty much every single game this way all year. And in the back of your head you're like, you can't win all of the games. Down with two minutes left. You like they have won all of them. They've won the, the, their, their four loss. I guess the, the packers one was a loss. You know, we're, we were right there. But the other three losses were not in this situation. Six times they've won games where they were down under two minutes. So you knew that eventually one of these wasn't going to go your way. I, I, people would be like this, cope. But I just walked away being like this. This team can play with anyone. They just have to get turnovers.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If you told me the Bears could figure out a way to get two to three turnovers for every playoff game, they could win the Super Bowl, I, that's probably hard ass.

[Big Cat]

I still, still think that Kyle Shanahan should be the coach of the year. I feel like that this is.

[PFT Commenter]

What are the odds?

[Big Cat]

It's an incredible season for him. I don't know what the coach of the year is, but like it. Given all that they've gone through.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And all the people that they're missing and how they might get the one seed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

This is his best job that he's ever done coaching in the regular season.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been, it's been incredible. They're a really good football team.

[Big Cat]

I saw one tweet today. I bookmarked it from start Kyle Orton. This accurately describes it. The Bears defense is 11 cats and Shanahan has a big fucking laser pointer.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's it. He was just, he was, he was toying with Brock Purdy too. Just toying with that defense. But yeah, you're right. The Bears offense can hang with anybody. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And, and, and big picture. And I know it's not big picture because we got the playoffs to come and I'm very excited for him because this season has been so much fun. And if you're waiting for the other shoe to drop, I would, I would implore you to just go for the ride because it's like, it's been awesome. Big picture. I'm so excited about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson and the fact that in this league in, in, in 2025, it's easier to build the defense than it is an offense. And it feels like the offense is in a spot where it's, it's going to keep getting better and better and they're going to be good for a while. And it's just like, it's fun to watch. Caleb Williams is good. Sven Johnson is great if you get home games.

[Big Cat]

Williams is great, too, if you get home playoff games. Bear weather that automatically improves your defense.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, easily. Especially against the Packers.

[Big Cat]

Like, get some snow. Get some shit coming in off the lake.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Packers won't be ready.

[Big Cat]

That's 12th, man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. The defense is, it's, it's unfortunate because there's a lot of money on the defense and they just cannot get a pass rush. And they also. I mean, I love Nayshaan Wright. He's made so many big plays this year. He's. When you have him going up against Brock Purdy, it's going to be a problem. Maybe. I said this when we. After the packers game three weeks ago. When the Bears play a really good quarterback, it will be very hard to win the game defensively unless you get multiple turnovers. So just got to get multiple turnovers. That's key to victory. Two to three turnovers a game. Bears can be in the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

I would agree with that.

[PFT Commenter]

But you got to get the two to three.

[Big Cat]

I would say. I would say three against some of the better teams.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, tonight, if they had gotten one more, they would have been in this. They would have won this game.

[Big Cat]

They would have.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So I, Yeah, I'm not, I'm not bummed out. I know people probably want me to be bummed out, but I'm not bummed out. I can't. It was a awesome game. Did you see also orange sharp tree? This I can't believe. I mean, it's. It's a crazy stat. First time ever a regular season game has been tied 7 to 7, 14 to 14, 21 to 21, 28 to 28. 30. 35, 35.

[Big Cat]

I saw that because the NFL tweeted that out.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

I know that you're. You're excited about the game because it was a fun game to watch and you loved watching that Bears offense, but when I see something like that, we're getting out of hand with the score gummies. We're not going to do end Game score gummies.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I, I'm just saying that's, that's, I like, it doesn't mean anything. I'm just saying that's just crazy that that that happened. I, I would have assumed that it happened. I don't actually care.

[Big Cat]

You're talking score guy. No, I don't, I'm okay with the score guy. Me at the end of the game.

[PFT Commenter]

You hate this stat. It just shows how fun this game.

[Big Cat]

I don't like people being like a game's never been 312 in the NFL. It's a. We're, we're overdoing the score gummies. We got to draw a line somewhere.

[PFT Commenter]

This is just a stat showing how fun the game was. Went back and forth.

[Big Cat]

I agree. It was a very fun game.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not a score gummy. It's just, this is crazy. They just kept on tying and trading touchdowns.

[Big Cat]

I interpreted it as the rise of the in game score gami stat. I just want to, I want to nip that in the bud.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I didn't interpret it that way. I thought it was just, hey, this game was so fun. Look, they just kept on going back and forth.

[Big Cat]

It was a super fun game.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it was fun game. What are you looking for? Max memes.

[Memes]

I told them to pull up Caleb Williams season stats. This is one of those like the, the jets. He's 270 yards away.

[PFT Commenter]

I know, I know.

[Big Cat]

You got to break it from what names?

[PFT Commenter]

4,000.

[Memes]

4,000?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we do have to play for the two seeds, so. Yeah, it would be fun. It'd be fun if he did it. I'll say it, it's more important to just be ready for the playoffs. But yes, it would be a very fun stat to break that feels like.

[Memes]

The curse would be broken.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I also think he's gonna, he's gonna break it in years to come, so I'm, I'm not worried about that.

[Big Cat]

Ben Johnson doesn't strike me as a foot off the gasket kind of guy.

[PFT Commenter]

What? What? What?

[Memes]

You never know.

[PFT Commenter]

You never know. You're right. Never know when you'll be back. You're right. You're right. No, I, I, I've been very big on that. Where all year it's been a lot of like, oh, shit. Well, the defense thinks and it does. And you, you know, they, they're probably not ready. They're a year early. It's like windows happen. You just got to fucking try to grab them. So you. Yeah, let's go to. Let's go for 4K. Let's go for 4K.

[Max]

For reference to the listener. The Bears have never had a quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

In the history of the franchise. Correct. Every time they show it, they show 4k passers. Last 4000 yard passer for each franchise. And it just is blank for the Bears. Just a blank graphic.

[Big Cat]

How do you feel about Ben Johnson and the timeout down the stretch?

[PFT Commenter]

I wish he hadn't used the last timeout. I wish we had spiked there because I think you just. With 20 seconds left, you want to keep a timeout in case a negative play happens. But I am in full. Ben Johnson can do no wrong. I don't give a fuck.

[Big Cat]

I would agree because he is a. He's a math major.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I think he's got the clock. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. He. He can do no wrong. In my eyes, whatever he says. Like, even, even there, there was that shovel pass when we kicked a field goal. There's a shovel pass on third down, I want to say, or second down. I was like, I said in my. I said, I think I said out loud on the stream. I was like, Caleb's throwing the ball really well. Like, just let him rip. And then I kind of corrected myself. I was like, it's Ben Johnson. I don't care.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Trust me. Whatever the he wants with Ben Johnson. It's nice to know that you have a coach that no matter what, no matter what he does, there's a reason for it. Because there's a shitload of coaches that just do stuff sometimes.

[PFT Commenter]

That lateral play, if that had scored so sick.

[Big Cat]

That's really good.

[PFT Commenter]

Would have been so sick. What? Max.

[Max]

No, I just said that was sick. The lateral play was so sick. The Bills did the same thing. Yeah. And I, I said at that point that was also.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's cool when it's designed like that. All right. Yeah. So let's look at playoff. Let's do the rollback question. Rho b a c-k.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. So two things I want to do. I want to ask what you guys, what playoff matchup? If it started now, you'd be most, most excited for. And also real quick. So Panthers, Bucks play on Saturday afternoon.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

Seahawks 49ers play Saturday night for the 1 seed. And then Ravens, Steelers play Sunday, Sunday night football to end the 2025 regular season to see who wins the AFC North. Max, the Bears and Eagles both play in the afternoon slate because they got to play at the same time. So that will be. That'll be fun watching. And then the rest of the games, I mean, besides Tyler Schuck, I think we maybe put Tyler Shuck in the main screen.

[Max]

I'm fine with that.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, the, The. I think, though, I think the NFL intentionally makes all the noon games have no implications whatsoever.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So, like, none of the noon games can. Can matter, I think. Or actually, I guess the Jaguars and Texans does matter. They're not playing each other, but yeah.

[Max]

I actually, I think the Saints are good on the side.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Max]

I've had nice success with the Saints on the side. Tv.

[PFT Commenter]

So playoffs start today. Who. What, What, Matt, what game are we most excited for?

[Max]

Not including our own.

[PFT Commenter]

Not including our own.

[Big Cat]

I. I'm looking forward to Patriots Bills.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And honestly, I think. I think the Patriots would win that game.

[Max]

I mean, there's a lot that still needs to happen. Like things are going to shake around, but that. If some. If that could. If that could stay, that would.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, awesome. It's. Yeah, that one. And then. Max, I know you can't include your own, but Eagles. Rams. Yeah, Eagles.

[Max]

Rams would be awesome, but that, I mean, it. That's. If the, The Rams haven't played yet. I think if the Rams play, they. They go back in front of the Niners.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, gotcha.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

No, if the Rams win, they stay.

[Max]

I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Who would you rather play of those three.

[Max]

Of those three? Seahawks.

[PFT Commenter]

See, you want Sam Darnold. I think that's actually the. Correct.

[Max]

Yes, correct.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

I think Darnold coming in, especially because that game is at. If that game was at Seattle, I would not say Seattle. I would probably say at Rams. Honestly, of the three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So if the Rams win, according to the ESPN playoff simulator, right now, that would put them at 12 and 4. So the Seahawks 13, 3. It would still be Rams. Eagles.

[Max]

No, because they would be above. The Rams would be above the Niners.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the Rams are going to. If the Rams went out, they'll be. They'll be above.

[Big Cat]

We're just talking about tomorrow night, right? Are we talking about full week?

[PFT Commenter]

The Rams are. If the Rams went out, they're going to be the fifth seed. Yeah. So it won't be. It will not be Rams Eagles. It will be the 49ers or the Seahawks.

[Max]

Even if they win tomorrow, I think they.

[Memes]

It's.

[Max]

They have the five.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So you definitely would rather play the, The. The Seahawks.

[Max]

Yeah, it's not they don't have. It's not the Seahawks right now.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the Seahawks, right.

[Max]

The Seahawks have the one. It's the Niners.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah, you're looking at the Seahawks.

[Big Cat]

No, I'm looking at the ramp right now. If the, if the Rams win, it's. I know it's not possible at the end of the season, but if the Rams beat the Falcons on Monday Night Football right now, that has the Rams traveling to Philadelphia mafia after week 17.

[Memes]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but it's not possible.

[Big Cat]

But it's not possible. Right, so we're.

[Max]

But we're possible. I think it is possible. If the Cardinals beat them next.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not gonna happen. But yeah, that's not gonna happen. If the Rams run out, it's gonna be the Seahawks or the Niners.

[Max]

Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at Seahawks, Niners or Packers right now.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I mean, these, these playoffs, I mean, Packers.

[Big Cat]

Bears will be awesome too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm very nervous about a lot.

[Big Cat]

On the line in that game.

[PFT Commenter]

So much.

[Big Cat]

Listen, I'm just rooting for, for podcast ratings and either way, that game goes big numbers for the podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

You know which way you. When you say you're rooting for podcast.

[Big Cat]

What.

[Jersey Jerry]

I know what.

[Big Cat]

I'm actually rooting for the Bears to beat the Packers Bears to get the super bowl against the Texans. Because I would. That. That if the Texans beat the Bears in the super bowl and I have.

[PFT Commenter]

To cut off tip my pinky, I.

[Big Cat]

Might go back and listen to that episode after we tape it.

[Max]

The podcast ratings is the Bears and Eagles both win and it's Bears Eagles in the second round.

[PFT Commenter]

Although. No, but it's also the packers like beat the Bears in a, in a last second walk off somehow. It's basically the Packer. It's. It's the Bears packers game in Lambeau. Caleb Williams throws a pick. That's what, that's what the people want. It's gonna be. Playoffs are gonna be awesome. I'm excited for the playoffs. Even the Jaguars Chargers game, if that happens.

[Big Cat]

And I know Hank's a little. He claims that the Bills are one of the teams that worries. I think that the Patriots would stomp the Bills if they replayed that game, if they play in the playoffs.

[Max]

I'm so happy that we have meaningful week. 18 games next week. There was like a good chance it was going to be an. I know stinker.

[PFT Commenter]

If the Steelers had won and.

[Big Cat]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

Bears had won and then the 49ers had sat everyone and if the Panthers. Yeah. It would have been nothing. Literally nothing. We're good boys.

[Max]

We have, like, we have a great slate now. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, yeah, we have a great slate.

[Big Cat]

Here's to the slate.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Max]

I do.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, good. Yep. Do you have one?

[Memes]

Sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, let's do it. This has been a fun little foursome.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Farm with you guys.

[Big Cat]

Good times.

[PFT Commenter]

Fun little foursome. Who do you think the problem is? Zach or Hank?

[Max]

I love all my guys.

[PFT Commenter]

I love them too. I miss them, too. They'll be here Friday. So Friday we're gonna recap. We'll be. We'll be streaming live the college football playoffs on Thursday and then we're gonna record for Friday. We'll do a preview and we will then do a recap of all those games. So you have a new episode Friday and then back to our regular schedule. All right, go ahead, Max.

[Max]

Baylor basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Good call.

[Max]

Was that yours?

[Big Cat]

No, it's just a good call.

[PFT Commenter]

Great call.

[Big Cat]

Just good call by Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Great call, Max.

[Big Cat]

They've done sports podcast.

[Max]

Baylor basketball has done a mid season signing which I didn't know was even possible in college basketball. And they have signed James Nanaji. I didn't do a good job with that one.

[PFT Commenter]

Nailed it.

[Max]

A former first round pick in the NBA and it has gotten people pretty fired up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

Tom Izzo being one of them.

[PFT Commenter]

This is where I got duped by Kenneth Lofton Jr. Yeah, there was.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or Instagram post saying he's coming back.

[Big Cat]

So how does that work now? You can, you can get drafted and you can go back, I think if you don't play.

[Max]

He didn't, he didn't sign an NBA contract.

[PFT Commenter]

This is, it's all fucked up. I don't really know what to say other than it's all fucked up.

[Big Cat]

There's really no rules.

[PFT Commenter]

Nope. And the NSA is just scared of any type of lawsuit.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

So here we are.

[Memes]

I will say the first guy, the guy from the G League Ignite team that. You know that story?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Memes]

So a guy back in early September played for the G League Ignite. That was the high school G League team.

[PFT Commenter]

They lost every single game. Okay.

[Memes]

Didn't play in college. So he came back Louisville.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Committed to Louisville. Coaches freaked out over that. Honestly wasn't that big of a deal because he's not a professional athlete. That wasn't the time to cry wolf. This was. This was the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

This is the big one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This one is, is weird. This one makes no sense.

[Big Cat]

Could you just get a guy hypothetically that played on Kansas and then he's like, I think I want to go play UNC like halfway through the season. And then who's going to stop him? Well, I know that's probably a wilder version of the same scenario, but there seems to be no real governing body in college sports that's. That's been given any real power to do anything.

[PFT Commenter]

What you just said, I think is why I have a problem with this. It's not that the guy is going back to play college basketball. I think I'm okay with that. It's the mid season. That's the part that's like, what the fuck is going on? You know what I mean? If he, I, I agree. At the end of this year, if the whole, the whole college basketball season ends and he's like, hey guys, I Never signed an NBA deal. I have eligibility. I'd like to come back. I'm all for that. Mid season is where it's like, what the is going on?

[Big Cat]

Don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, because. Because what you're saying is kind of a similar thing where a guy just saying, I'm just going to transfer mid season. Yeah, that's. We'd all be like, what the.

[Big Cat]

It's taking it to the furthest extent that you could do it. But the big problem is that there doesn't seem to be anybody that's actually in charge.

[Max]

No, I also don't understand, like, so he was a draft and stash guy. So he never played for the G League or the NBA and he never signed an NBA contract. But the Hornets had his rights. So does that, does that mean if he wants to go.

[Big Cat]

If he wants to go back.

[Max]

If he wants to go back, the Hornets still like, he can't enter the draft?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, I guess they do kind of do this the reverse way in hockey and baseball. Baseball, you get your rights. Hockey guys will finish their college career and then go play in the, in the NHL that same year. Yeah. So that has. That does happen where guys will play literally finish the frozen four and then go join their NHL team. But that's the other way. That's not, you know, being in drafted the NHL, being in some other league and coming back to college. By the way, this just. I don't know why this triggered my, my brain, but memes. We got to, we got to find game footage or if we can find live games. Campaign is playing in Serbia.

[Big Cat]

Oh, fuck yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to watch that.

[Big Cat]

So dominate so bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you know he was playing in Serbia?

[Memes]

Yeah, there was a meme going around. He was our backup point guard and easier Conference finals.

[Max]

Yeah, I mean, putting up 40 shots a game.

[PFT Commenter]

I would like. Dude, could you imagine like a random Tuesday at 2 o' clock just being like campaigns playing let's get it on the gambling cave. I want to see it. I need to see it. Someone get us a link to campaigns games. Gotta see campaign in Serbia. I mean, Susier, who's back?

[Memes]

I'm gonna go with Stranger Things.

[PFT Commenter]

Ah, no spoilers.

[Memes]

No spoilers. But the second part of it's the final season going on right now. They split up the seasons. First part came out in November. Second part just came out. People are pissed.

[Big Cat]

Why are they pissed?

[Memes]

They are pissed because they waited. No spoilers. They waited all this time and it was kind of nothing. No spoilers.

[PFT Commenter]

Are they pissed about. Are they Pissed about people being gay.

[Memes]

No spoilers.

[Max]

I thought it was enough.

[PFT Commenter]

And I just, I think that's the funniest thing to be mad about about a TV show. But whatever.

[Big Cat]

Well, to do in the very last episode is very funny too, because then you have to go back and think of like all the, all the previous thoughts you had about him and you're like, wait, was that gay?

[Max]

It's not the very last episode. It's very last episode of this drop. There's still one more finale.

[Memes]

Yeah, it's penultimate.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Max]

Yes. But it's weird because the. There's. It's like two and a half hours. The last, the last one. No, it's really like two and a.

[PFT Commenter]

Half episodes, no spoilers.

[Max]

Finale.

[PFT Commenter]

I love Stranger Things. I gave up on it when they did the thing with Hopper. No spoilers.

[Big Cat]

Season two about out. Season two.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Hopper was season three.

[Big Cat]

Felt good about it. Felt good about walking away. Never once thought maybe I should get back in. You should get back.

[Max]

It's so good.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't like when they do. When I get emotionally attached to characters and then. Yeah, whatever. This is a five year spoiler, so I can say this one. Yeah. When you kill a character off and then like, haha, just kidding. They're not dead. I hate that because I cry. Like. Yeah, I think I might have cried. It was emotional. Yeah. But you can't pull up my heartstrings. Like.

[Max]

But it made sense. It did make sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. But yeah. Strangers Things.

[Memes]

Stranger Things back. Fun fact about that show. It started the same year as this show.

[Big Cat]

Oh, that's a fun fact.

[PFT Commenter]

And where can you watch it?

[Memes]

Netflix.

[Big Cat]

Ah, good point, memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Good point, memes.

[Memes]

Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Pft.

[Big Cat]

My. Who's back of the week? I've got a couple. One is kind of a more personal one. Also could double as a fire fest. The Oregon Ducks are back. Yeah, the Ducks are back. So two weeks before the JMU Oregon game, I found a website that sells full body mascot costumes. It was pretty expensive. I thought, according to the website, that they would arrive before the games so I could do some things with the two mascot costumes. I ordered a JMU Duke dog and a full size Oregon duck costume. They arrived yesterday about a week after they said they were going to arrive. The Oregon duck costume is surprisingly good. It looks just like the actual Oregon duck, I think. So now I've got about 71700 dollars worth of mascot costumes that I don't know what to do with anymore. So I guess we'll have to figure out.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Big Cat]

Maybe I can just do head. Like mascot head picks just for the Ducks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When the Ducks are playing, do I put the duck head on or do I leave it down? It just. It was kind of a bummer getting back because I thought that they just stole my money. That was a fake website. I would have almost rather they stole my money than get back from a vacation and find two giant mascot costumes waiting for me on my front porch. Although that would have been very funny if somebody had stolen those.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Speaking of that college football, should we. Do you guys have any picks that you like? Because we're gonna. We're gonna not tape until Friday or Thursday, by the way. It's that Michigan just, like, backed into one of the. The best coaches.

[Big Cat]

That was gonna be my second one. Yeah. With Cal Whittingham. But since I don't have the cost, I'm going no mascot head today. So I'm taking the Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Red Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. You're taking the Red Raiders. I. I think I like Ohio State. I think Indiana is going to kill Alabama.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

I kind of like Texas Tech and then Georgia. So I guess that's three favorites.

[Big Cat]

I like Indiana a lot and I like Georgia. I like the Red Raiders.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe Miami plus nine and a half.

[Big Cat]

Would you pick for the lot?

[PFT Commenter]

You picked Ohio State, but maybe Miami plus nine and a half. Ohio State to win.

[Big Cat]

I like my. Yeah, I like Bane. I like Bane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that feels. That feels right. But yeah. Kyle Whittingham, that was. He's such a good coach.

[Jersey Jerry]

Coach.

[Big Cat]

Such a good coach. Is he Mormon?

[PFT Commenter]

He's not.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think so. But I did see the tweet saying the. Kyle Whittingham follows five people on Instagram and like, tour his daughters and one's his wife and they're all fully clothed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, perfect.

[PFT Commenter]

So you're good.

[Big Cat]

That's the guy that you want and.

[PFT Commenter]

He hasn't posted on in like five years.

[Big Cat]

It is crazy that he went. What a. What a turn of events for him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Last couple of weeks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I mean, he was. It's. From everything I've read, Utah had a coach in waiting, their defensive coordinator since 2019. And Kyle Whittingham didn't want to go out last year with how bad the season went with Cam rising and all that stuff. Did one more year and then was like, I don't really want to retire, but I. This guy's going to go get another job. So he, you know, walked out and then now he's A Michigan head coach. And Michigan is. Michigan got a major upgraded head coach coaching.

[Big Cat]

I would agree with that.

[PFT Commenter]

Major.

[Big Cat]

This is a very, very good sign. Again, we don't know what's going to happen, but I feel like given. Given what was out there, this is the best that you could do.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, he's. He's always had good teams at Utah. Like, I, I think he's going to. With Michigan's money and recruiting, he's going to win.

[Big Cat]

They had some. Some violent teams too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just beat the out of you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I did see that funny meme that because Lincoln Riley always struggled with Kyle Whittingham.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Lincoln Riley throwing Kyle winning him out of the Pac 12 and then Kyle winning him coming back around being like, now I'm in the Big Ten.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So Big Ten, by the way. Five, zero in the. In. In the bowl season.

[Big Cat]

Oh, also, memes are back this week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Chris Collinsworth said, I love memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Was he talking about you or was he talking about memes?

[Memes]

I hope he's talking about me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think he's talking about you.

[Memes]

Yeah. Also, Pop Tart bowl.

[Big Cat]

Pop Tart bowl. What about it?

[Memes]

It's just the best. Everybody just eats Pop Tarts.

[PFT Commenter]

It was incredible. It's the. Someone tweeted. I wish I had saved the tweet shout out to say wl. I apologize, but you'll know it when I say it. He was like, it's rare in life that we have a meaningful event that feels like it will last forever. And his. His meaningful events, he said, was like Fourth of July, Christmas and the Pop Tart Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And he's right. The Pop Tart bowl is appointment television. The game was awesome. The things they do. The sprinkles on the flags. Fucking love the Pop Tart, bro. And they're not even paying us this year. Last year they did pay us. Please pay us again. Although we shouldn't give free advertising because I. I found myself tweeting about it so much. I was like, they didn't pay us this year, but I don't care. I love the Pop Tart Bowl.

[Big Cat]

When you had Kalani Sataki karate chopping up a Pop Tart Giant Pop Tart. He ate the game.

[PFT Commenter]

He ate that Pop Tart so fast.

[Big Cat]

Savage.

[PFT Commenter]

He also did. You see, he got. He got mini Pop Tarts dumped on him and he caught a couple and was eating them. Guy loves Pop Tarts.

[Big Cat]

I like it when coaches buy in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I.

[Big Cat]

Full Pop Tart experience.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. People were posting the Notre Dame sprinkled helmet being like, what could have been. Notre Dame would have ruined it. And listen, I thought Notre Dame should be in the playoffs. I defended Notre Dame all season. Notre Dame would have ruined the Pop Tart bowl because they would have taken it too seriously. They wouldn't have bought in.

[Big Cat]

I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

You need schools that are buying in, and this is the perfect. It might have been the best ball game.

[Big Cat]

I agree. The pop Tart bowl is the best. When you play into the fact that it's pop Tarts, you enjoy yourself. The Gatorade thing of pop Tarts is a great addition to the postseason. I'd say second to dumping the mayo.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. My. Who's back of the week is our fantasy team. So we. We alluded to it. We do need Matt Stafford and who?

[Big Cat]

Colby Parkinson to have negative three.

[PFT Commenter]

Negative three yards. So we're. We're going to lose. So, Jerry, incredible season. We'll do an exit interview with him in the next week or so. But I do want to share. It was a chaotic week for Jerry. I think he might have had a nervous breakdown at one point. This is why I love him and what he does for the team because, you know, he cares. But Jerry, somewhere in the midst of Christmas week, I don't even know what day it was, put me in PFT on a text chain with the guys we were playing who apparently are awls, and Jerry talked so much to them, and PSI were, like, barely responding because we didn't really know what was going on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I was letting Jerry cook.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And Jerry one. I think it was, like, Wednesday morning, maybe it was Christmas morning. We woke up and Jerry had left the text chain. Just leaving me and PFT with these guys because Jerry went so atomic on them that he had to leave, and he got so upset. It was. It was quite something.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Jerry, listen, Jerry had an interesting season. Some ups, some downs. I blame him for everything bad that happened to Jaden Daniels when he jinxed him in our season preview. I. I thought that the call to start Colston Loveland was the best call of the week.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He's our top scoring player.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That was actually recommended to us by Adam Schefter to start Loveland over Hill, which was the right call. Jerry didn't know which one. Taysom Hill, I believe, had zero points. Colson Loveland had, I want to say, 16 points. So good call by Adam Schefter on that one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. Jerry almost saved our season.

[Big Cat]

Jerry cares a lot. He cares a whole lot. And I. I really don't want to say anything else about his job performance without him in front of us or listening because this is, you know, these are all things that we want to discuss and hear his reasons for at the end of the season. But we appreciate everything that Jerry's done in terms of trying to win.

[PFT Commenter]

I just want to read a couple of these texts because they're so funny. This is some random guy we don't know. Pft. And I do not know who these people are.

[Big Cat]

Don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

They are awl. So shout out these guys. One of them said, I think one of their names is Nick. And the other, I don't know what his name is. He said, hey, Nick, Merry Christmas. Imagine tweeting how bad your Xmas is going due to a fantasy football matchup. Hashtag is just sports. And then he put a gif of Jerry and his supermodel wife. Look it up, saying, quote, so the driveway might not get fixed this year, but I swear next year I won't draft Lions, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants commanders, Raiders, Bears. And Adam Scheffer might help me. He's an insider. And Jerry replied to this text saying, hey, guys, I have no clue who you are. Again, this is. We're on this section. We don't know who they are.

[Big Cat]

Jerry put them on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Jerry wrote, hey, guys, I have no clue who you are. I can tell from these texts you're not barstool. They're not funny at all. And you are not athletes because this is not how men who compete with each other gab. I'm gonna let these slide. But, fellas, you got to be creative if you're going to come at for the Kings. Do you have an improv friend who can look at these and give you some pointers? Somebody in a comedy class, maybe a funny uncle? These are not going to cut it. Got to be worth our while. We were pretty busy. Good luck this weekend and Merry Christmas. And then Jerry left the text chain. This was on Christmas night.

[Big Cat]

Jerry was. I don't know how you most people wouldn't start a text thread with two friends and then add two people to it and then abandon that same text.

[PFT Commenter]

Thread, leaving us in it.

[Big Cat]

Leaving us in it.

[PFT Commenter]

And then I said, I woke up on Friday morning at 7 in the morning. I said, jerry, who are these guys? He said, no clue. Felt bad about how atomic I went on these losers. I think they're awls. Not looking good, boys. And then the best was these guys. Again, we have no clue who they are. They just sent us a video of Their kid like, cheering on their fantasy team. And Jerry wrote, oh, so cute. Looking good for you. And then side texted me and pft and said, these fucking losers sending pics of their kids. No one gives a shit. We're gonna maybe, maybe next week we'll have him on to break down the season.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I, It's. It's hard to stay mad at Charity.

[PFT Commenter]

The fact that he. I, I still am just.

[Big Cat]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

He had a mental breakdown. He was just doing videos on the highway and then adding us on text chains, leaving him. He left it again.

[Big Cat]

Me and Big Cat also tried to up the pressure on him a little bit because he was trying to negotiate maybe a higher payout for second place.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And me and Big Cat were like, no, if anything, just go. Second place gets nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. That was a, that was a miscalc Jerry to, To add us to. Hey, how should we split the. He. He wanted to split the pot.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And I immediately was like, why don't we just double the pot and winner takes all?

[Big Cat]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

He was just like, no, no, do not do this. 1-800- gambler. Oh, we love Jerry. We love Jerry. Good, good. We'll have to talk to him. I, I gave him a vote of confidence, but I don't know. We. We. We're gonna have to talk.

[Big Cat]

Well, vote of confidence can go a few different, different ways. I, I have confidence in Jerry, but I'm still also a little bit. I, I'm miffed. I'm miffed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. At.

[Big Cat]

At the way he conducted himself in. In the preseason. Put a lot of bulletin board material out there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Good show, boys. Again, we'll be new show Friday, and hopefully everyone has a happy, healthy new year. This is. Of 2025. Memes. If you don't get this right now, you didn't get it for the entirety of 2025.

[Memes]

Well, I guess at that one time.

[Big Cat]

Calendar year, you didn't get it for.

[PFT Commenter]

The entirety of 2025. And you know what? We'll do memes for you. We're gonna do three. Three numbers. We'll pull three numbers, all official for you to try to get it in 2025. Did you not get it in 2024 as well?

[Memes]

No, didn't get in 2024. Did guess the right number?

[PFT Commenter]

No. Did you not get it in all of 2023 as well?

[Memes]

No. Definitely didn't get it then, did you?

[PFT Commenter]

When did you start? 2022. So is this your third full year not getting it?

[Max]

October 24, 2023.

[PFT Commenter]

Was me it's only your second full year not getting it.

[Memes]

I guess it right that one time.

[PFT Commenter]

It's your second full year not getting it. All right, what do you guys got?

[Big Cat]

Go 25.

[Max]

I'm gonna go with 166.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm gonna go 23. And we'll go three polls. That was Jack.

[Big Cat]

66.

[PFT Commenter]

Memes. Your first number is 48. You didn't get it.

[Memes]

Close.

[Max]

What was that?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, you didn't get it. Memes.

[Memes]

Oh, wait. Matthew Shay for.

[PFT Commenter]

All right.

[Max]

Is that.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's the one. I. I guess when you guys take.

[PFT Commenter]

Three, your second number memes is. 14. Still have not gotten it. Means you still have not on it.

[Memes]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

This is your Last guess of 20.

[Memes]

25.

[PFT Commenter]

Would you like.

[Max]

What's that guy's number?

[Memes]

48.

[PFT Commenter]

Would you like to change your number? Memes?

[Max]

Yeah, you've guessed it three times.

[Memes]

Memes.

[PFT Commenter]

Would you like to change your number?

[Memes]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Last guess of 20? 25. You're not going to change your number three.

[Max]

Okay, I'll take 100.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll take 23.

[Memes]

Probably like 26.

[PFT Commenter]

That be awesome.

[Big Cat]

26.

[PFT Commenter]

27.

[Max]

Oh, 26 would have been awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

I wish you had guessed 26.

[Max]

26 would have been awesome.

[Big Cat]

Would you even. Would you even want to get this if Hank's not around?

[Memes]

Yeah. What?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, big time.

[Max]

So we're at 25 more guesses.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man.

[Big Cat]

So when is that show gonna be?

[PFT Commenter]

So that will be super bowl if we do two. Yeah, we got to play it out for Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

But. But we. We pre guess in Super Bowl.

[Max]

No, but. Well, it depends who's playing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it could.

[Max]

That could be.

[PFT Commenter]

Could do like that Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Sunday night. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we'll do. So we gotta just map it out. Someone map it out. Zach, if you're listening, map it out. I would love to see Zach try to map this out.

[Big Cat]

We need a clock.

[PFT Commenter]

We got our glow boards, boys.

[Memes]

Who'll be playing?

[Big Cat]

That is going to be the Texans and the Bears. Love you guys.