B (3:03)

Football.

A (3:07)

We start with Zach on Saturday afternoon. Zach in soaking wet Tampa Bay Breakdance Baker busts a move out the pocket.

B (3:20)

Before pop lock and dropping a pass.

A (3:22)

Into the arms of Cade. Playoff hopes gone but not forgotten. Otten who gets in for six points. Bryce Krispy Treat Young snap crackled and popped one over to Bucs defense to Tommy Lee Trimble who treated the Bucs secondary like Pamela Anderson in that one.

B (3:35)

Movie bending us over before scoring six. Don't press my heart my achy brassy heart I just don't think you'd understand and if you brass my heart my achy brassy heart I just mock it.

A (3:49)

Off and turn off this game Young drops one off to Jalen Dyke Coker who walks in the end zone to score a sweet, sweet sucralow six points. Chase on McLaughlin now but will probably be crying later. Sinks three field goals on the day as Tampa's leading scorer, but those feel good. Field goals won't take playoff pain away. Buck 16, Panthers 14. Thank you Zach. We now head out west for Saturday night in wine country where the Seahawks were serving up a nice glass of Charbonnet right down the Niners throat as he started the scoring with a 27 yard touchdown. Seattle's defense was on fire as they said, don't be so quick to scramble away. I want to Brock your body come dance with me. As Purdy felt like he was swimming in the bottom of a timber lake all night long. The Niners came close to getting into the into the end zone. But the little engine that could Drake Thomas the Tank engine said, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can intercept the ball. And the Seahawks roll on to a dominant win in the number one seed. Get those fish ready at Pike Place. The NFC goes through Seattle Seahawks 13, 49ers 3 we now head to Philadelphia where Max and PFD were there for Eagles commanders.

D (5:05)

We head over to Philadelphia where Tanner Major Key had a chance to prove we the best quarterback on the Eagles roster and he started off strong with a two yard score. But Josh Dwayne Johnson responded by handing the rock to Chris Rodriguez and it was a C bomb from C Rod running into the end zone to tie the game after a bad turnover on downs for the for the Eagles.

A (5:32)

Josh Jack Johnson stay in the pocket.

D (5:33)

I'm back in.

A (5:34)

I'm back in. Stay in the pocket.

D (5:35)

Terry I wrote John Johnson Josh Jack Johnson had a chance to take command of the game, but he turned this game upside down. He threw a pick that should have hit the ground, but he shares a ball he found with everyone. But when Commander's fans asked Michelle Tanner McKee to return the favor, he he said, you got it dude, by throwing a horrendous pick, which led to a Washington field goal to end the half.

B (6:04)

But at halftime, Jack Johnson had his banana pancakes after sitting waiting, wishing to beat a rival in the division. Nicholas Maduro Sirianni and all his good players got kidnapped in the middle of the night and Dan Quenzuela is sick of all the regime change talk in D.C. in a touching tribute to Philadelphia legend Betsy Ross, the Eagles defense couldn't stop drawing flags as Washington kept crossing the Delaware even as Great Britain Kobe tried to keep them out. The Commies drove down the field, capping off a 60 yard drive in the hands of tight end John Antonio Bates and adding another score from former Tampa bay buccaneer San Francisco 49er Cleveland Brown, Cincinnati Bengal, San Diego Fleet, New York Jets, Indianapolis Colt, Buffalo Bill, Baltimore Raven, New York Giant, Washington Redskin, Houston Texan, Oakland Raider, Washington Commander, Detroit Lion, Denver Bronco and Washington Commanders quarterback Josh Johnson to seal the NFC east end season tournament for the Washington Commanders.

A (7:13)

24:17 down to Duvall, it was a pool party as the Jags looked to clinch the AFC South Cam infirmary. Ward exited the game early after scoring a touchdown only to force Brandon Walker Allen to get off the couch and do something with his fat ass. And he didn't. On the other side, Trevor Bauer Lawrence was hitting drone strikes to his receivers. No fingers were hurting the course of this game as Parker George Washington Carver dropped his peanuts on the Titans for another score and Brenton People are strange when you're a stranger scored his fourth touchdown of the season. They've got cat scratch fever down in Jacksonville as Liam and company and have it rolling. Jags 41, Titans 7. We head to Western New York where Memes puts the jets season into the grave. We head to High Mark Stadium for the final game in the stadium's history where the jets defense had to say Mitch cut it out as he threw for 259 yards and four touchdowns. Ms. Dawson. Ms. Dawson knocks my tummy hurts. But still had time to cash in a $500,000 incentive by catching a touchdown Ty Dolla signed. Johnson also cashed a $250,000 incentive with two touchdowns. A A Ron Glenn where is you? Where is Aaron right now you better be sick, dead or mute. AA Ron if you're allowing 188 points in the last five games and no interceptions in a season since 1933. A Aaron for the jets offense. Khalil I believe that when me turns purple and smells like rainbow Sherbert helped set up jets lone touchdown. Andrew Beck who said hug me brother to save the jets from the shutout. Bills 35, Jets 8 thanks Beams we now head to New England where Hank was there.

C (8:57)

Over to the Delighthouse where Will Byers Campbell was back in action and as gay for May as ever. After being asked if he could score on a five yard rush, Jo Travy King Von Henderson said, cool, I can do that. Boo. What you want some shoes? Drake May answered, I want Ramandre Iguodala to Stevenson to score in a two yard rush for our second score. In what is being called the French Connection. Drake Clay connected with Ramandre Agassi for his second score. After another interception from quinn ers ramon Dr. Dre stevenson said, let me ride into the end zone for a 35 yard touchdown to isa game.

A (9:42)

Patriots 38, dolphins 10. Thanks hank. No problem. Boom. Standing on the corner Jameis Winston and Hoboken. Such a fine sight to see.

B (9:57)

The giant season's done. It was kind of fun. Remember when you beat Philly? Who will you hire that day?

A (10:08)

Bowl's fired.

B (10:11)

What's Russie gonna do?

A (10:14)

He should retire the G Men 34, Cowboys 17 and that was week 18. Fastest two minutes presented by Chevy. Football season is here. And whether you're grinding through the week or gearing up for kickoff, there's one ride that's always game ready. It's the Chevy Silverado. The Chevy Silverado is a longtime partner, pardon my take. And our favorite truck. It's all about grit. From job site to tailgate, Silverado lets you show up strong and tackle any task. Built for the hustle. Ready for the game. Silverado is America's most dependable full size truck. For J.D. power 2025 award information, visit jdpower.comawards Head to chevy.com to learn more and build your own Chevy Silverado today. People keep asking me about my 2026 resolution. I've gotten the usual stuff. Read more. Maybe work out. Maybe stop ordering food like I'm feeding a family of four. This is my real goal this year. Get comfy. And that's where Bombas comes in. I've been wearing the all new Bombas sports socks and I swear they're the only reason I'M even attempting to run again. They're cushioned in the right spots. Sweat wicking, super breathable. I basically live in the Sunday slippers, quick dog walks, grabbing coffee. Feels like I'm walking on clouds. And underneath it all, their underwear and tees are crazy soft. Once you wear them, everything else in the drawer feels like a mistake. For every purchase, Bombas donates an essential clothing item to someone facing housing insecurity. They've already donated over 150 million items since 2013, which is unreal. So head to bombas.comaudio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's B A S.com audio code audio@ checkout. Okay, the 2025 NFL regular season is in the books and we finished it with an absolute banger. We're going to go a little out of order here because we just finished watching the Pittsburgh Steelers punch their ticket to be the final team in the dance with I like that was it was a classic Steelers Ravens game for about three quarters and then the fourth quarter just all hell broke loose and and you had big touchdown after big touchdown. The Steelers not being able to get plays in, burning all their timeouts. Lamar being insane, you know, shedding sacks and throwing the ball down the field. Chris Boswell missing an extra point that felt like it was going to decide their season. And then the guy who came in after Justin Tucker because Justin Tucker does make that kick.

B (12:39)

Justin Tucker would have made that. Yep.

A (12:42)

Loop what's name Loop Tyler. Tyler loop misses a 40 yarder. 44 yard 44 yarder to put the Steelers in to the playoffs. The final team to punch their ticket. It was the perfect ending to the 2025 regular season. It was a thrilling, thrilling game and it went from I tweeted this in real time and it was basically turned out to be false almost immediately. But it felt like it was going to be an all time gut punch loss for the Steelers in the fact that they kept on answering and then having plays where they were basically had Lamar Jackson sacked and then he would he would get out of it and make a heroic play and having a 4th and 7 where TJ Watt was a second away from sacking him and then the the past the likely which could have easily gotten punched out. It was just an all time gut punch and then it went reverse gut punch for the Ravens and the Ravens are out of the playoffs.

B (13:38)

I think you might be bearing the lead a little bit here. Big Cat. Yeah, the kick by Loop. Yeah, missed it wide right. Did you happen to See what. What transpired before the game.

A (13:48)

Oh, yeah.

B (13:49)

The Steelers had a priest go onto the field.

A (13:51)

Yes.

B (13:52)

Bless the field with holy water. I'm pretty sure where he sprinkled the holy water is where that kick landed.

A (13:59)

Yeah.

B (13:59)

When it went wide right, it was pretty crazy. You said it. It was a crazy game, the entire. The fourth quarter especially. But the full game to me felt more like it was a. It was an entire season of Mike Tomlin distilled into one game. Yeah, it's like it start out ugly, things are going poorly, maybe a little sign of life around the midway point, but then ultimately it doesn't work out. Then you start to pick up some steam, then you start to get your dick kicked in again, then you pick up more steam, then you get your dick crunched and then their dick gets crunched and you end up that. That's a 9, 8 season of a win for the Steelers. Now the Steelers are into the playoffs and I still think they could win a playoff game.

A (14:40)

Them two. Now they play in the Texas.

B (14:41)

I think they might.

A (14:42)

I need you to be right.

B (14:43)

No, but spin zone though, for. For Lamar. He can't choke in the playoffs this year.

A (14:47)

Yeah, that's true. That's a fact. Mike Tomlin, though, deserves a little credit for coaching. Unlike Mike Tomlin in the fact that he was actually aggressive even at the end of the first half. You know, getting the, the. The pass interference with 2 seconds left and going for it to. Not a great play call. But that was not Mike Tomlin usually like, we got to get the three points. We got to just get the three points. He was aggressive tonight. And the game did change. We should say when Kyle Hamilton went out with a concussion because it felt like the Steelers for the majority of the beginning of the game were essentially doing their offense where they dump it off over and over and over again. Every now and then a receiver will run a route that's more than 10 yards and then they'll still dump it off. Kyle Hamilton goes out and they can start actually stretching the field. That big play to Pat Friarmouth, obviously the touchdown to Austin, that, that was significant. With Kyle Hamilton, they showed the stat. And the defense for the Ravens is completely different. When Kyle Hamilton's off the field, I.

B (15:50)

Think it's probably like 80% Cal Hamilton being off the field and 20%. It felt like Aaron Rodgers was calling every play down the stretch. Yeah, it felt like that was his offense that he was running at the.

A (16:01)

End, except for when he was on goal line and his helmet didn't Work. And then he kept on getting mad at Arthur Smith's like, dude, just do the tush push.

B (16:07)

Yeah. In that circumstance, like, you should just call a play.

A (16:10)

Yeah. You're Aaron Rod.

B (16:11)

You've been in the league for infinity years. You know, to call a play in that situation, it was a crazy game.

C (16:16)

Awesome.

B (16:17)

For the Steelers, I'm, I'm happy for their fans. I'm happy to see what they can do. I, I think that they could maybe.

A (16:23)

I need them to win a game.

B (16:24)

Okay, Whose line is anyway? Ooh, I'm going to guess it's going to be Texans by one. No, Texans by three.

A (16:35)

I would say Texans by two.

C (16:37)

I was gonna say two and a half. Logging into DraftKings right now, it is Texans by three.

B (16:42)

Okay. All right. Okay. There's money line. It is.

A (16:45)

Okay.

D (16:46)

Steelers, Steelers money line is +130.

A (16:49)

Listen, all these games are incredible because besides the Rams and Panthers game, I think the, the biggest spread is three and a half. It's, it's, it's going to be an awesome playoff. So we have it set. We're going to, we're going to go through the Week 18 slate, but we have our playoffs set. We're starting with Rams, Panthers on Saturday, Bears, Packers Saturday night. Then Sunday we have Jags, Bills, bills at Jags, 49ers at Eagles, Chargers and Patriots. Then Monday night Texan, Steelers. It's going to be a great weekend.

B (17:19)

That's going to be really exciting.

A (17:20)

And we also have college football semifinals Thursday and Friday.

C (17:22)

I'm surprised the Patriots and Bears games aren't flipped.

A (17:26)

I thought the Bears would be in the, the afternoon on Sunday. Our guy, Jake Marsh, I think he got two right. That was tough, but it was a little shocking. I, I, I thought that you guys, I thought the Patriots would be Saturday night. I thought that was like almost a guarantee. But he, they're, they, they. I, I, I've come to, at first I was like, oh, I don't want to play Saturday night. It's like now I just have to just be like, hey, Sunday is going to either be the best Sunday ever or the worst Sunday. Like, best Sunday. If they, if the Bears win and it's like free football or worst Sunday, I'm going to have to sit in the gambling cave and be like, I can't believe my team's out.

B (17:59)

It's not that bad playing on, on the Saturday night because you don't have to sit around all day Saturday, all day Sunday waiting for it. And by the time the games are going On Sunday, even if you lose, you're still going to be balls deep in football.

A (18:10)

Yeah. Okay, so let's, let's. Let's go backwards and get. And get us to this point with the Week 18 card we had Saturday. The Bucks and Panthers. Bucks 16, Panthers 14. We obviously know now, but the Bucks won a win and hope the Falcons lose game. And the Falcons did not, in fact lose. So the Panthers lost their way into the playoffs. If there. I'm not an NFL rig guy, but this game could have been an NFL rig game because some of the calls that went against the Panthers in this game were atrocious, and it did give us a meaningful game on Sunday that we were lacking in the Sunday slate.

B (18:52)

Yeah, the. The Bucks extended their season by about 24 hours.

A (18:55)

Yep.

B (18:56)

Close to like probably 20 hours. There were some really bad calls that went against the Panthers, but then I'm so glad that the Panthers got in. The Panthers deserve to be in, I think, more than the Bucks. Even though all three teams in that division finished at 8 and N. You can't really say, like, there was a great team, the Bucks in that game. It was a. It was ugly. It was shitty. It didn't ever really feel like football. It felt like kind of a waste of time watching it. And it just felt like at the end of this, when the whistle blows, it's just going to be one more important game that we're going to get to watch on Sunday.

A (19:28)

Which I was.

B (19:28)

Which it was. At one point the announcer said that Bryce Young has answered every question thrown at him tonight. Yeah, I don't know what questions were being asked of Bryce Young that he was answering. He might have been answering them incorrectly.

A (19:40)

I mean, he made a couple big throws. The Bucs defense did a good job of stopping their run, but it was. It was terrible conditions. But yeah, it was the Panthers. Listen, doesn't matter how you get in, Panthers fans should be pumped. It's the first time they're in the playoffs since 2017, I believe. And that time as well, I think they were under.500, done it twice, which no other team has done. No other franchise has gone under.500 and been in the playoffs twice. But for the Panthers and the last three, there's only been three teams that have been under.500 and gone to the playoffs, and I think all three of them won at least one game.

B (20:20)

So wait, what was that?

A (20:22)

Under.500.

B (20:23)

Because remember the Panthers, the commanders covered against the Bucks.

A (20:28)

Were they. Were they under.500 or were they 8 and 8?

B (20:30)

I think they were. I think I'm gonna find that.

A (20:33)

I'm gonna find the stat.

B (20:34)

I think there were seven and nine.

A (20:36)

Okay. The. Either way, the Seahawks remember the Beast quake. They were under 500.

B (20:40)

I remember that.

A (20:41)

So there's. There's some light at the end of the tunnel that you could potentially do it. I wonder if we're. That we're looking. I had the stat. I gotta find it. Fuck. I bookmarked it and I lost it. Bad job by me. I'm gonna try to find it. The Panthers, though, here's some crazy sets. They got outscored by 69 points this year. They lost the Saints twice, which, you know, one of those was shuck, so you can't be upset about that. Their last win by more than three points was October. Their last win by more than seven points was September. Their last win as a favorite.

C (21:15)

Yeah.

A (21:16)

Was September 2021.

C (21:19)

Commanders were 7 and 9.

A (21:20)

But they're in the playoffs. Oh, they were 7 and 9. Okay. So then it was. I'm just thinking of the Beast Quake team.

B (21:24)

But they covered.

A (21:24)

Yeah, they did cover.

B (21:25)

They covered. So October.

A (21:26)

And they also beat the Rams earlier this year.

B (21:29)

Yep.

A (21:30)

So there's something there.

B (21:31)

October 20, October 1, 2025, is the most important day, maybe in Panthers history.

A (21:38)

Yeah.

B (21:38)

Meow Mix retired from podcasting, turned the entire season around. The Panthers are now in the playoffs. I don't know what we want from Meow Mix. They're probably wondering themselves, like. And I understand they feel like they should do a podcast now. Yep. Because the Panthers made the playoffs. This is very exciting. They're playing the Rams. They beat the Rams earlier this year.

A (21:59)

Yep.

B (22:00)

They have reason to be excited. Maybe be a little bit hopeful in this game. I think that meowmax. Meow Mix should be allowed to podcast.

A (22:06)

I agree.

B (22:07)

I say let it rip. Meow Mix.

A (22:09)

Yep.

B (22:10)

Nobody's going to hold it against you. Thank you. End of watch. See you in Valhalla.

A (22:15)

Yes. Let's do it.

B (22:16)

Yep.

A (22:16)

By the way, I found the stat that got me confused. It's. The panthers had a minus 69 point differential this season. The only playoff teams with a lower point differential.

B (22:25)

Yeah.

A (22:26)

The 2004 Rams. They want a playoff game. The 2011 Broncos. Tebow won a playoff game. 2010 Seahawks. That's Beast Quake. They want to play off.

B (22:35)

Yep.

A (22:36)

So that's where you can be positive.

B (22:38)

The point differential. The point differential. There. There was also that. That Vikings team. You remember that one from 2022 where the Giants beat him in the playoffs?

A (22:49)

Yeah. They were. They Were like they had like 13 wins. Yeah.

B (22:51)

Yeah.

A (22:51)

That was the fraud.

B (22:52)

Watch a lot of wins, bad point differential. But yeah, Congrats to the Panthers.

A (22:56)

Yeah. Don't be. I was just trying to look for positive things because people were gonna spend the whole week on the. Like, the Panthers have no chance against the Rams. You have a chance and you're in the playoffs. Who the fuck cares?

B (23:08)

Yes. You beat the Rams this year. You do have a chance.

A (23:10)

And think about where the Panthers have been the last. Not just even the last time they're in the playoffs, but the last couple of years where the trade with the Bears, the drafting of Bryce Young, it's feeling like a disaster. Bryce Young gets benched, all that stuff. And now they're back in the playoffs. Any way they could get there? They got there. They should be pumped like. And again, they beat the Rams in Carolina, what, a month ago. So drag them to deep water again. Get him into it. Need to pick six. Get them into it.

B (23:41)

Yep. And then they're going to have a decision to make about Bryce Young too. Yeah. At some point.

A (23:47)

Was it. This was.

B (23:48)

This is year three.

A (23:49)

Yeah.

B (23:50)

So is it before the season starts you have to make a decision about the. The year five extension that you can do.

A (23:56)

I think so.

B (23:57)

That'll be interesting.

A (23:58)

Yeah. The stat. The. The. The highest road playoff favorites in NFL history. You're the, the Commanders were ten and a half point underdogs to the Bucks when you covered.

B (24:08)

At home.

A (24:08)

At home. Yeah.

B (24:09)

Yeah.

A (24:09)

So the, the.

C (24:10)

The.

A (24:10)

The Bucks were road favorites and then the Rams are ten and a half point favorites against the Panthers. I think we got to take the Panthers.

B (24:16)

Take the Panthers.

A (24:17)

Think we gotta meow. Mix it up.

B (24:18)

Take the pan.

A (24:20)

Does it keep pounding.

B (24:21)

Keep pounding. Get a big ass drum.

A (24:23)

Keep pounding. What a wild way for them to. To get in the playoffs.

B (24:27)

I, I would not have had it any other way than that.

A (24:30)

It really was a perfect way for the NFC south to, to finish.

B (24:33)

It almost became a celebration of the entire division.

A (24:35)

Yeah.

B (24:35)

Which I really appreciated.

C (24:36)

It was also the Falcons losing to the jets being the reason they didn't win the division.

A (24:40)

Yeah. And also it was like a real divisional effort that every pe. Every team in the division had to participate.

B (24:48)

Yeah.

A (24:48)

In the week. In week 18.

B (24:50)

Yeah.

A (24:50)

Like they all had to have a say in this one way or another.

B (24:53)

Why does it.

A (24:54)

To figure out their winner. They like basically had a meeting of minds. They had all the four families came together in. In the course of 24 hours for the NFC south and they're like we elect the Panthers.

C (25:05)

Yeah.

B (25:05)

Quiet as it's kept. They're. They're the most electric division in football.

A (25:08)

Yeah. Zach.

B (25:10)

Like the, the AFC north gets all the pub.

A (25:13)

Yeah.

B (25:13)

The NFC south just is. Is complete and utter chaos.

A (25:16)

Complete and utter chaos. Zach, are we firing Todd Bowles? I would like Todd Bowles no longer to coach for the Tami Buccaneers anymore. Okay. That was actually said in a perfect Todd Bulls way.

D (25:26)

Yeah.

A (25:26)

Where it's not harsh, it's not mean. It's not. You know, it's just. You'd rather him not coach your team anymore. I don't want to be hateful, but yeah. Anyone else? I'm in. I think. Anyone else? I'm in.

B (25:36)

I think Todd Bowles should have, should have done a little bit more on Sunday as a coach, as a leader. You're just going to let your guys go home and. And watch the Falcons Saints game all separate from each other. Not like a brotherhood. You're not going to have like a big team meeting. You're not, not going to watch it in like a gym. You're not going to bring the boys together. You're not going to buy everybody a bunch of bus tickets or plane tickets to go to the game. Can you imagine that? Like if Baker was in the stands for that game. That just tells me he doesn't want it.

A (26:04)

Yeah. I don't know how it got. I don't know how it got online. Not here to dry snitch but them leak and Baker being stressed out at home. Well, that was his own wife. That's fair.

B (26:14)

Lovely lady.

A (26:14)

I take it back. Lovely family. Good luck on. Yeah. Number two. We love Baker. Congratulations on the pregnancy. Right. We, we love you guys as a family unit. Great family. Never mind. He did look stressed. I mean Baker was injured for the second half of this year. We're still Baker guys through and through the it it though looking at it from like two weeks ago when you needed the Falcons just lose to the Rams or the Saints, but then also you just had to beat the Dolphins. Like the Bucks are going to walk away from this season saying you lost by four points to the Saints, you lost by a point to the Falcons, you lost by three points to the Panthers, you lost by three points to the Dolphins.

B (26:50)

Yeah.

A (26:51)

All down the stretch.

B (26:52)

I mean credit to the people that, that love to correct people last week on the Internet and say actually it's not a win and get in game because the Falcons could really fuck everything up for everyone.

A (27:01)

I think Stephen Che actually got community noted when he said the NFC south runs through Tampa.

B (27:06)

I like now. It runs through Charlotte.

A (27:08)

Yeah, well, it ran through Atlanta.

B (27:10)

It runs. Yeah, to. It run. It runs to Charlotte via Atlanta.

A (27:14)

Atlanta. All right, so I did this thing. I went and looked up for each team that did not make the playoffs this year because, you know, 20. You know, football fandom is hard, and it's. There's a lot of stressful moments, and there's a season that you don't go to the playoffs sucks. But there's always one moment that you can look back at and be like, you know what? Shit was really good at this. At this specific time.

B (27:36)

I got them, too.

A (27:37)

Harder for some teams, but, you know, easier for others. This one is easy. It was the Bucks week six. So. So we'll do this for every team that's been eliminated. Bucks fans, week six 30 to 19 versus San Francisco 49ers, you're six and one. Baker is 12 touchdowns, one interception. Top of the MVP race. It was good then.

B (27:59)

That was a great time.

A (28:00)

That was a good ride right there. That moment, that crystallized moment.

B (28:03)

Mine's a little bit different. Mine was Todd Bowles cussing after the Falcons beat them on Thursday. Football. That felt like after super bowl loss.

A (28:11)

Yeah, that one also. This could be. Depending on how tomorrow goes, this could just be your Super Bowl. When his top Bulls getting fired.

B (28:19)

Yeah, that would be. That'd be massive. Yeah. And it's a good possibility.

A (28:22)

Yeah. Okay. Seahawks 13, Niners 3. We expected an incredible game from two of the best teams the nfc, and we got instead, the Seahawks being an absolute bulldozer of a team running the ball down their throat. 177 or. Sorry. 198 yard or, sorry. 171 yards rushing between Charbonnet and Walker and they had 17 missed tackles. Sam Darnold, did he miss a couple guys? Yeah. But he also didn't make any mistakes. And the Seahawks defense had Brock Purdy in absolute hell.

B (28:54)

They did. The Niners never really looked like they were threatening to score, but credit to their defense, which wasn't good. Their defense is not good.

A (29:02)

Yeah.

B (29:02)

They can't get a pass rush to save their lives. They did hold the Seahawks to 13 points.

A (29:07)

Yeah, somehow it. But also they gave up that third and 17 run to Kenneth Walker, which was insane.

B (29:12)

That was a backbreaker.

A (29:13)

That was an absolute back breaker.

B (29:15)

John lynch looked like he wanted to explode after that.

A (29:18)

I said it. I said it. I think last week or the two weeks ago when the Seahawks, you know, as they figure out their run game and get even better and better. It's. This team is so, so scary because they. Now I gave you the stat. 5 and 1. When Sam Darnold has two or more turnovers, they can win in spite of that. And everyone's saying, oh, look out for Sam Darnold. He was in this exact spot last year, week 18, to get the 1 seed with the Vikings against the Lions, and he pissed down his leg this year. He played mistake free football like he did. He did it. He did what he had to do for them to win the game.

B (29:51)

Yeah.

A (29:52)

And they won the game and they're the one seed. And that's a massive swing in terms of how the NFC shakes out the.

B (29:58)

Defensive line for the Seahawks is a problem for anybody. Yeah, I, I think I now trust the Seahawks. I think that that D is good enough if they've got the ground game working. I. They are, to me, the best team in the NFC right now.

A (30:11)

They. It's not like you don't have to trust Sam Darnold. You just have to say, Sam Darnold. Just don't. Don't be. Don't like, completely combust.

B (30:20)

Yeah, don't go full Sam.

A (30:21)

Don't go full Sam. And the Seahawks would be in the Super Bowl.

B (30:24)

Just don't. I am Sam. It.

A (30:26)

Do you think the Seahawks. So I saw a tweet that they left a couple cigars in the locker room. Do you think they left it there because they're like, we'll be back because that's where the super bowl is.

B (30:33)

I want to know what's in those cigars.

A (30:35)

They might have left a couple special cigars. Special cigars. Listen, by the way, Nate Tice tweeted out, there have been four designed run plays on third and 15 that have gained a first down this season. Seahawks have all four.

B (30:51)

That's insane. So, like, in the moment when they handed the ball off to Kenneth Walker, I think we all thought it was like giving up on it. But if it's worked three other times, they have confidence that they can get it.

A (31:04)

Yeah.

B (31:04)

Yeah. The Seahawks are just a really, really good team. The Niners, I think. I think they're okay, but they're very clearly limited what they can do, especially on offense when they're missing Trent Williams. Trent Williams being out was a big difference maker. They couldn't run the football with him out. They could protect for Brock Purdy with him out. And then having Ricky Pierce all out was also a big problem for them.

A (31:26)

See, I think that's. I, I agree, obviously, Trent Williams is incredible, but I Think that's also the Seahawks defense because Trent Williams went out on the first play against the Bears. Yeah. And they had no problem. So it's like the Seahawks, the, the Niners had been since Week 14. They had 455 yards per game, and they were scoring 42.3 points per game. The last three, they had 173 total yards, three points, and they were 2 for 11 on third and fourth down. Seahawks defense is a monster.

B (31:56)

They are. But I, again, I, I don't.

A (31:58)

Trent Williams is.

B (31:59)

I don't think that the Niners offense is this bad. It was an ugly game. Ugly games happen. Turn the page.

A (32:07)

The Kyle Shanahan status back.

B (32:09)

Yes, it's.

A (32:10)

It popped back up. Was it 1 in 31 or something?

B (32:13)

131 trailing in the fourth quarter.

A (32:15)

Yeah, seven.

B (32:16)

Kind of remarkable.

A (32:17)

Yeah.

B (32:17)

For a guy that's coached that much to, to not have too many come from behind wins.

A (32:21)

Yeah. So that, that one is popped back up. But yeah, I, I, this, the Seahawks now having the road go through Seattle and the 49ers having to go across the country to Philadelphia. I mean, that, that was my argument. Obviously, the, the Raven Steelers game turned out to be incredible, but that was my argument in terms of consequences. It felt like that was the most consequential game for the super bowl picture on the weekend.

B (32:46)

Yep.

A (32:46)

Because it feels like Seattle's. They, they got it now. They got it in front of them.

B (32:50)

I would agree.

A (32:51)

Yeah, I would agree. Okay. Sunday. Falcons 19, Saints 17. Tyler Schuck, he tried. He had no one to throw to.

B (33:00)

It was just him. It was, it was shuck. Verse 11.

A (33:03)

And that, that, that, that pick at the end when, when he was driving.

B (33:08)

That'S shucked, though, because the ball is so catchable. Even a linebacker, a cornerback, a safety, it. It hits him in their hands. It just sticks.

A (33:16)

Yeah. Raheem Morris gets fired four hours after the game. I think Falcons fans are very excited about that. Falcons went 8, 9. I think back to back years, you saw that they had the talent to be a really good team. We talked about it going into this weekend. How, you know, I listed all those things. 2200 yards for Bijan, 50 plus sacks. And they lost to the jets and they lost these games. And it's like, how did this happen? And they were a team that could have been a playoff team.

B (33:44)

It is pretty crazy that the Falcons were eliminated a month ago. Yeah, a month ago. And then they ended up with the same record as the team that won the division.

A (33:52)

Yep.

B (33:52)

But yeah, the, the Falcons. It felt like Morris was going to be fired. There were a lot of really shitty losses that they had. To me, the surprising one that they did it now was the, the gm. The gm, don't get me wrong, I, I agree that they should have moved on from him, but maybe a long time ago because he's the one that, that did the Penx move during the draft. And if you remember, right after they drafted Penx, he like walked right over to Arthur Blank and had to explain to him what they were doing because Arthur Blank was like, wait a sec. I just paid Kirk Cousins a shitload of money. A hundred million dollars or whatever it was. You didn't think that you were going to tell me that you were about to draft a quarterback?

A (34:29)

Yeah.

B (34:29)

And at that moment I was like, that dude is fired. That dude is the most fired individual that's ever lived. I'm surprised that he lasted a full two years. But I get, I get the timing where a functional organization should want to line up the general manager and the new head coach at the same time. So, yeah, it was, it was a matter of time for Morris here.

A (34:49)

Here's the good news for the Falcons. So you had, I think it was two years of Arthur Smith. He went 7 and 10, 7 and 10. Raheem Morris, two years of him. He went 8, 9, 8, 9. It feels like the next coach you're going to get is going to be 9 and 8, 9 and 8.

B (35:02)

It's the Kyle Pitts factor. The one touchdown, two touchdowns, three. And he does end the season.

A (35:06)

I'm so happy that he ended with.

B (35:07)

Five in ends the season with five touchdowns. We were saying that if he plays 10 years and it, it, it continues and he has 10 touchdowns, he, in his last season, he should just retire at that point. Even if he feels good, he's like, I don't, I don't want to roll the dice anymore and go for 11. This is too perfect of a stat for me to not walk away from.

A (35:26)

I was actively rooting against him to score a touchdown today because I wanted this stat to be true. And I, I'm, I'm scared where he's going to sign as a free agent and someone's going to realize, oh, this guy's really good. And he's going to end up with like 10 touchdowns next year and blow it all up.

B (35:38)

I want that. Yeah, I want that. He's for the record.

A (35:41)

He will be.

B (35:42)

I want him to be a commander.

A (35:43)

Yeah. I feel bad. The Falcons are a big what if team. They were eliminated on December 7th. Like you said, they had. They had lost the Jets. I think they lost one game after that. It's. It's crazy that they weren't. They're not. I mean, they finished the same record and they. They just couldn't do the little things on a couple games to get them in the playoffs.

B (36:06)

I. So like we said earlier, I. I do. I love the. The Panthers and Bucks fans that were in the stands wearing their Panthers and Bucks uniforms to the game. But then I was thinking afterwards, like, how bad of a road trip home would that be for a Bucks fan? Yeah, if you're a Bucks fan, that. That made the flight up there. I assume most of you made the. The flight and didn't actually drive it, but maybe a couple of you did. Let's say if you did drive, that road trip back to Tampa from Atlanta would suck. You're gonna be like, what did I just do?

A (36:34)

Why did I do that?

B (36:35)

Why? Hopefully you made some friends. But here's.

A (36:37)

You got to see Tyler Shock.

B (36:39)

You got to see Shock in action. And who. It's like the. The Dan HURLEY When. When UConn was getting good. Like, get your wins in against the Saints now. Yeah, you better do it now.

A (36:47)

Yeah, Hank.

C (36:49)

I bet Tyler Shuck. He was in the Hungry Dog. Only one that lost. I thought he played terrible.

A (36:54)

Yeah, you said he sucked. He was trying to reverse.

C (36:57)

I was trying to reverse Jinx. But, yeah, I just. I. I listened to this podcast. I listen to you guys a lot. And I. I saw them as a plus sign. I was like, it's. It's Shock. I got. I don't know why. Why you guys are so obsessed with him.

A (37:09)

Because he throws such a catchable ball.

D (37:11)

Did you know that Chris Olave was out?

A (37:13)

Yeah, he had no. The guys.

B (37:18)

He was on like, his third running back.

D (37:19)

He still had 260 yards and a touchdown.

A (37:22)

Yeah, he's a lot.

B (37:23)

He almost had 300 and a rushing touchdown.

A (37:25)

Why do we.

C (37:26)

It was a garbage time.

A (37:27)

Did you say why we like Tyler Schuck, leader of men, catchable ball.

B (37:32)

Did you not see the scrambles?

A (37:33)

I will not be fun name to.

C (37:35)

Say my indoctrination is over.

A (37:37)

You're done with Tyler Shock for like.

C (37:39)

He can. He can win me back. How.

A (37:42)

What more can he do playing? He took a bunch of scrubs.

B (37:45)

Do you see all the drops he.

C (37:46)

Had today to what?

A (37:47)

To 6 and 11?

B (37:50)

But he didn't start.

A (37:51)

The Saints were the worst team in the NFL. They were first pick. Watch under. Under Spencer.

B (37:55)

What's the record after he took over, it's.

A (37:57)

I think it was 5 and 4.

D (38:00)

I think 5 and 3.

B (38:01)

He had a winning record with the Saints. Hank, is that not good enough for you?

A (38:05)

Is that not good enough for you? Were you not entertained?

C (38:09)

I was not entertained today.

A (38:10)

No.

C (38:10)

Today was my. Today was my first week on the shuck train and I was not entertained.

B (38:14)

See, what you don't understand, he's a dual threat quarterback. He can beat you with his brains or with his heart. And he's got the command of that locker, got the command of that city.

A (38:25)

Yeah, I think we. To be totally honest with you, Hank, I. I think it's always exciting when like a team drafts. Not one of the. The premier guys in the first round. He ends up being really good. And that's what they have in Tyler Shuck.

B (38:39)

That's fair. Yeah. Third rounder also sidebar. Hank, don't listen. I think like maybe, maybe 5 to 10% of why we like Shuck so much is because we're kind of flexing that we know how to pronounce his name.

A (38:50)

And Also another probably 25 to 30% is that we all bet him. Offensive rookie.

B (38:54)

There it is. Y. Y. That's also true.

A (38:57)

And then. And we finally come clean and his.

B (39:00)

Name, his name rhymes with suck and cuck the big three. It's hard not to like. Yeah.

A (39:08)

Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah, you fucking hate.

C (39:12)

It's funny, once we figured out how.

A (39:14)

To say his name, it was just we. It was love at first sight.

D (39:16)

It was literally. He had like. After his second game, I saw one highlight pack package and I took him to win rookie of the year and I was like, this is just going to be my guy.

A (39:25)

You know what I like about. He does throw an insanely catchable ball. That's a fact.

B (39:30)

And he moves with confidence. I like that. A lot of guys like when Spencer Rattler got out there, he was. A lot of times he didn't really know which way was up.

A (39:39)

Yeah.

B (39:40)

Shock is like, I. I am this offense.

A (39:43)

Okay. So best moment for these two teams because they were eliminated. I have. For the Falcons was the easy one. The Week 3 or Week 5 Monday Night Football game where they killed the Bills. And it was everyone. It was Penix 250, Bijan 170, Drake London 158. It was a true. This is the Falcons and they're here and they're the best team in the NFC South. They went 3 and 2 after winning that game. And then it all fell apart. But that was the moment I Had that one.

B (40:12)

I also had the same game as that, that Bucks game that the. The Thursday night where. Where Kirk Cousins took down Baker.

A (40:19)

Yep. And also firing of Raheem Morris today, pretty big. That's one. And then for the Saints, I had week 14 when Tyler Schuck beat the Bucks 24 20. And he had that touchdown run, game winning touchdown run to go up late in the fourth quarter. Because I feel like that was the first time we're like, oh, shit, this is a guy.

B (40:39)

I. That's an interesting one. I actually had the Saints at Green Bay April 25th. They drafted Tyler.

A (40:48)

That's true. That's also true. That's their super bowl, big time.

B (40:51)

Also with Falcons, they hired a firm to lead their search for a GM and their head coach. The firm. The firm is called.

A (41:01)

I saw this.

B (41:02)

Sportsology.

A (41:03)

Sportsology.

B (41:04)

Sportsology. I want to work at Sportsology.

A (41:06)

One day I saw that, I was like, what? We should start a Sportsology.

B (41:10)

This podcast is Sportsology.

A (41:12)

I was thinking about, like, what if it was just vibes Ology where we just come in and we don't have any expertise on anything. We tell you. Well, we don't even know sports that well. We just can tell you. Yeah, you know what? That guy like, like Bill and accounting, he kind of fucking sucks. Like, he's not like, we were trying to bust his balls this morning. He's kind of a loser. We need more guys and we need more dudes.

B (41:35)

Yeah. It would just be like, this guy's not a dude. He's not really. He's not a real dude. This guy is not a good hang. I don't know what sports knowledge does, but I Want to say 10 out of 10 job naming your company. Great name. I think they're just going to pretend to look around. I have a theory about. About the Falcons, by the way.

A (41:51)

I'm just thinking about us being like, we'd probably get kicked out. As soon as we get to the females in the. In the building, we're like, yeah, you know Becky, she's not a dude. No, she's a chick.

B (42:01)

No chicks can be dudes.

A (42:02)

You know what I'm saying? Like that. But we go down the list and we're like, oh, that one's not a dude. Yeah, like, she's too much of a chick. We got to get her out of here.

B (42:09)

I also think that our. Our reports, the executive summaries would just be like, this dude rocks. Yeah, this dude kind of sucks.

A (42:17)

That's a dude you'd want around.

B (42:18)

Yeah.

A (42:19)

Listen, I know, girls can be dudes. I mean, we work with. Kate is on the yak every day. I'm like, what's up, guys? Case, the ultimate dude.

B (42:27)

The ultimate dude. The biggest dude I know.

A (42:28)

Yeah.

B (42:29)

I've got a theory about the Falcons.

A (42:31)

Okay.

B (42:32)

I think they're going to hire Sportsology. This is a move that you do. I think if you already know exactly what you're planning on doing and you hire a firm to pretend that you're casting a wide net.

A (42:43)

Yeah. I mean, Sportsology sounds like they saw the firm on, like, Instagram swipe up ads. Yeah. I would hire Sportsology to. To. To get me in shape or just.

B (42:53)

Like, review our bets before we put them in.

A (42:55)

Yeah, there'd be an app on Sportsology. It'd be like, here, Here Downloads app for 25amonth. We'll send you a workout that will get you ripped. Yeah, I don't do any of the workouts.

B (43:04)

All right, so my theory.

A (43:08)

What about.

B (43:08)

What about Kirby Smart? What about Kirby Smart?

A (43:12)

That'd be interesting.

B (43:13)

All these call. All these college coaches are like, I don't want to.

C (43:16)

I don't.

B (43:16)

I don't want to deal with this anymore. The transfer portal nil is too much.

A (43:21)

Kirby does have it set up pretty nice.

B (43:23)

He does have it set up pretty good.

A (43:25)

I think if he becomes a Falcons head coach, when guys get arrested, he probably has to bench them. Georgia different. It's got a pretty nice.

B (43:35)

It just seems to me like hiring this. Just put a pin in that one.

A (43:40)

Okay.

B (43:40)

Put a pin in that one.

A (43:41)

Okay.

B (43:42)

I think that they'll at least kick the tires pretty hard on Kirby.

D (43:46)

I also think that a problem with Kirby Smart is your fan base would be pissed.

A (43:51)

Yeah, true.

B (43:52)

That is true.

A (43:53)

They would be very upset because right.

B (43:55)

Now, Falcons fans are just like, we don't really care about the foul we got. We got Georgia football. That's pretty good.

A (44:00)

Yeah. The Georgia Tech Falcons fans would be pumped.

B (44:03)

Yeah.

A (44:04)

But everyone else.

D (44:05)

I feel like there's more Georgia fans.

A (44:06)

I'm just saying. I just want to shout those guys out. Yellow Jackets. Yellow Jackets, Falcons contingent. They're rooting for this.

B (44:14)

Where did Arthur Blank go to college?

A (44:15)

Let's see. He. I mean, he went to this. The school of ghosts.

B (44:19)

I'm gonna guess that he went somewhere.

A (44:21)

He went to the hell Hotel.

B (44:22)

He went to, like. Yeah, Wharton. Let's see.

A (44:25)

May I take your.

B (44:26)

Babson College. Wow.

C (44:28)

Wellesley, Mass. That's where my brother went.

B (44:31)

Oh, nice. Also, Hank, you know, I'm a big birthday guy now.

A (44:34)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (44:35)

Happy birthday, To Nick Belore.

C (44:38)

Hell yeah.

B (44:39)

Your guy.

A (44:40)

My guy.

B (44:40)

Washington commander, stud, special teamer. Yeah, Hank's buddy.

A (44:43)

Oh, okay. Who. How's he Hank's buddy?

C (44:45)

He goes to the same gym.

B (44:47)

They work out together.

A (44:47)

Yeah. Nice.

B (44:49)

Work out. That's your lifting buddy.

A (44:50)

Shout out Nick.

C (44:51)

I see him doing workouts. I'm like, holy.

A (44:53)

Okay. But yeah, yeah, there we go.

C (44:56)

Nick still doesn't count as a birthday.

B (44:57)

His birthday today when this episode comes out.

A (45:00)

Oh, okay. That counts. That counts.

C (45:02)

I.

B (45:03)

By the way, I had so many people be like, I'm so glad that your birthday guy now like a lot of people being like, well, just not.

D (45:07)

I got true at all, by the way.

A (45:09)

Oh, no.

D (45:10)

May 12th birthday.

A (45:12)

Really? God, you're the worst birthday guy in the world. You got to try again next year. No.

B (45:18)

How do you invest? I. I searched NFL birthdays 1-5-5 and his name was on there.

C (45:24)

You got it.

A (45:25)

You got it. You got to go to. You got to go 2027. We got to go next year.

B (45:29)

Okay, wait, I had a backup. He might be dead, though. Chuck Noel. Happy birthday, Chuck Noel.

A (45:37)

Okay, yeah. Chuck Noel. Very dead. Dead for January 5th, but dead for 11 years.

B (45:45)

Yeah. Happy birthday, buddy. I hope it's a good one.

A (45:50)

Oh, okay. Brown's 20 babies.

B (45:53)

My problem is I'm doing like the. The least amount of crap.

D (45:56)

Yeah.

A (45:56)

Sitting at home, like, what?

B (45:57)

I'm just. I'm just googling the date, birthday. I don't even click on the link. I just look at the summary on. On the Google front page when it comes.

A (46:05)

You know what you need, you know you need to do is you need to try again next year and have someone, like, give Zach your phone. Actually, Jacob would be good for this. Give Jacob your phone on January 1st and have him load into your calendar. I can still, like, the top three birthdays for every single day.

B (46:19)

I'm not giving up on 2026 just yet.

A (46:21)

Okay. You're over like seven.

B (46:23)

I know. I. I wished a lot of people.

C (46:25)

You're also going to forget so many people's in this office's birthday. And that's when it's like you're. You're shutting out random celebrities dead. Or people that aren't their actual birthday. You're going to have people that we work with that it's going to be like, oh, it's their birthday. Whoops.

A (46:38)

Yeah.

B (46:39)

Yeah, Whoops.

A (46:40)

Okay. You get hot, star. Yeah. Maybe you'll get hot at some point.

B (46:44)

Hank, I'm. I'm so new to the birthday game that. Yeah, there's Good days in May.

D (46:48)

I'm really happy that I fact checked that.

B (46:50)

There's going to be a couple bumps in the road along the way. We have some issues and we're going to. We're going to work through them.

A (46:55)

Yeah. Okay. Browns 20, Bengals 18. Not a lot from this game other than the Bengals somehow lost this game when The Browns had six points from off from their offense, 11 first downs. And they just basically somehow found a way through pick sixes and weird plays happening. And the Bengals, like, I didn't think that the Browns are gonna win this game, but they did. And Miles Garrett got the record. He has the sack record for season 23. Is it 23? I believe so. Yeah.

B (47:32)

You gotta buy a half sack now.

A (47:34)

I know people are going to. There's a couple there. There was instant cynicism. One on the play, we watched the whole game, Joe Burrow was trying very hard not to get sacked.

B (47:45)

Yeah. It was kind of like the Steelers game where their offense was going away from Al Garrett. When he would go, they would. They would put him in the middle as like a. A linebacker that was blitzing in the A gap sometimes.

A (47:55)

Yeah.

B (47:55)

And they would go directly away from him at all times. And Burrow was looking. He was turning around looking for Miles Garrett trying to get away from for the entire game. The sack that Miles Garrett ended up having on Joe Burrow, it was the best time get off that I've ever seen.

A (48:09)

It was literally the best time get off this. It was 0.23 seconds. And his average get off, which is the best in the league is 0.7.

B (48:18)

Yeah. So he timed it absolutely perfect.

A (48:21)

It couldn't have been better. And it's actually. So just to put it in perspective, when Usain Bolt had the hundred yard dash record in Beijing, his get off time was.165. So that's double. No, that's whatever. Eight times the get off. In terms of milliseconds of Miles Garrett.

B (48:41)

What was Patino's time?

A (48:43)

That was 15 seconds. 15 seconds.

B (48:44)

Pretty. Also pretty good. Yeah.

A (48:47)

But it was. It was that that play with like Joe Burrow didn't go down. He just knew that Miles Garrett had him.

B (48:52)

Yeah. One thing that we forget is that Joe Burrow doesn't want to get absolutely destroyed by Miles Garrett when he's about to get sacked by him.

A (49:00)

Correct.

B (49:00)

And so he took a step forward and he's like, I'm going to eat this one instead of getting ragdolled.

A (49:04)

Yeah.

B (49:04)

He's. Joe. Joe's got enough to deal with with his injury history. He doesn't need to take a. A clean shot for Miles Garrett coming off the edge. How fast?

A (49:12)

Point two, three seconds.

B (49:14)

Yeah, you don't want that in your face.

A (49:16)

I. So then the other cynicism is obviously a 17 game season. Yeah, that's. That's what everyone's shouting about. I prefer not to care about that because I can see into the future and we're going to go to 18 games, then I'll start complaining.

B (49:33)

Okay.

A (49:33)

Do you know what I mean?

C (49:34)

Yeah.

A (49:34)

Like, what's the point of complaining about one extra game when very soon in probably the next, like three or four years, you will have records where you can complain about two extra games?

B (49:44)

Yeah.

A (49:44)

That's when you can complain.

B (49:46)

And they didn't always keep track of sacks either.

A (49:47)

Yeah.

B (49:48)

So things changed. This was a very impressive season. Garrett had a. A down into the season.

A (49:53)

Yep.

B (49:54)

He was like on a pace to shatter the record for two thirds of. Of the entire 2025 season. Then he kind of like. I think he started to think about it too much. You could see he was weighing on him during the games. He was like. He was struggling. He was out thinking himself. Team started to game plan specifically against him getting that sack. And yeah, credit to him. That was an insanely impressive also for the cynics out there. What's probably even more impressive about Miles Garrett is the fact that he got all these sacks despite the fact he never got to play against the Browns offensive line. Yeah, he never got to play against Shador Sanders.

A (50:29)

And he also was, for the most part, playing, you know, not with a lead.

B (50:33)

Yeah.

A (50:34)

Like, he never had a fourth quarter where they're up 10 and the team has to pass. So here's. Here's the other one. For snaps required for each sack record. Michael Strahan, 567, T.J. watt, 616. Miles Garrett, 437. So there you go. If you want to complain. That's it right there. He. He broke it in significantly less snapshot then Strahan and Watt.

B (51:01)

Yeah. Now, as for the Bengals, Jamar Chase said that his plans are to go to Cancun like everyone keeps telling him to.

A (51:07)

Dude, don't go to Cancun. Go to Cabo.

B (51:09)

But I love that. I love you. I love that he's taking our stance, which is like, yeah, I'm gonna go to Cancun, buddy. And yeah, it's gonna be great. I think that.

A (51:16)

Or go to the Forest one. What's the Forest One? Tulum.

B (51:18)

Oh, yeah, yeah, go to Tulum.

A (51:20)

That's a rich person.

B (51:21)

I thought you're gonna say Bohemian Grove. That would also be nice. Zach Taylor probably not going to get fired is what I'm hearing. I think Rapaport reported that earlier today.

A (51:31)

Yeah. Joe Burrows got his back.

B (51:33)

Joe Bros got his back. The Browns don't fire coaches. I think they finally fired Marvin Lewis after like. Was that seven years in a row?

A (51:40)

Yep.

B (51:41)

Going to the playoffs with no win.

A (51:42)

It really is up to Joe Burrow though. Like if Joe Burrow said he didn't like Zach Taylor, he'd be fired.

B (51:46)

Maybe.

A (51:47)

I think, I think they're. I think, I think the, the Bengals are at least smart enough to know that Joe Burrow to keep him happy is the paramount thing that they should do in the off season.

B (51:56)

I tried to look up how many coaches Mike Brown has fired, but when you Google Mike Brown fired coach, you just get lots of articles about the basketball coach.

A (52:05)

Yeah.

B (52:06)

And it's ungoogleable. It's one of the ungoogleable. Ungoogleable sports searches that you can do.

A (52:13)

Well, that and pursuers.

B (52:16)

Birthdays. Birthdays.

A (52:17)

Yeah.

B (52:17)

I was going to say that's that NFL birthdays is very hard also if you're trying to find the Gordon Hayward Final Four shot. I tried looking that up by typing Butler rally miss shot. That's not a good. That's a bad one to do.

A (52:33)

Yeah, that would be. That would be Joe Burrows plans for the off season. I liked. He said I got no obligations for a while, so I'll just go to sleep when I get tired, I guess. Who knows?

B (52:45)

Okay. That's.

A (52:47)

It's about. He said I'm going to relax, be around friends and family, stay up late. Stay in bed late.

B (52:53)

That. That sounds like something a 7 year old would say.

A (52:55)

Or a depressed person.

B (52:56)

I guess.

A (52:57)

I guess I mean say staying in bed. Ladies. No.

C (53:01)

If you can.

A (53:03)

Yeah. But there's definitely a point where you're staying in bed too long. If you can't get out of bed.

C (53:07)

That'S when you start training.

A (53:09)

Yeah, true. I would be nice to just stay in bed till like all he has.

C (53:14)

To do is work out for a couple hours.

A (53:15)

Yeah.

C (53:16)

Doesn't matter when he does it.

A (53:18)

I also think it gets a couple.

B (53:19)

Weeks to not even do that with Joe Burrow. When he's like, I'll wake up when I want to wake up. That probably means he's going to wake up at like seven.

A (53:25)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (53:27)

He's still going to be out of bed pretty early.

A (53:28)

But I just like that I thought that was a really good answer to it. Got no obligations for a while, so I'll just go to sleep when I get tired, I guess. Who knows? Yeah. The. It feels like Kevin Savants he's going to get fired, and it feels like Kevin Fancy is going to get hired. Yeah.

B (53:45)

I don't think he's going to be unemployed for very long.

A (53:47)

Pretty quickly.

B (53:48)

I feel like the Giants will be very interested in a Stefanski.

A (53:53)

There's some smoke about Matt Lafleur and then Stefanski, which would be a weird one. It would be crazy if the packers fired metal for.

B (54:00)

There's smoke.

A (54:01)

There's smoke.

B (54:03)

So you could.

A (54:03)

Jay Glazer said Jay Glazer had him under the we'll see category.

B (54:08)

So that what I'm hearing then is that you could get Leflore fired.

A (54:12)

Yeah. I mean, I think he's a very good coach. That'd be great.

B (54:15)

The Bears could get him fired.

A (54:16)

I like him as a guy, so I don't want him to lose his job, but I would love for him to coach somewhere else. Yeah. Although I think Kevin Space is a good coach, too.

B (54:23)

I think Stefanski will be hired very quickly, and I would love to know everything that went on behind the scenes in his time in Cleveland.

A (54:31)

Yeah.

B (54:32)

Because you could write several books about that.

A (54:34)

He's got stories. All right. Crystallized moments for both teams. Browns. It was Miles Garrett's sack record. Also. You could throw in week 17 against Steelers.

B (54:43)

Yeah.

A (54:43)

That was especially because at the time, it's like we just. Their season and the Bengals. It's clear for me, Thanksgiving night when Joe Burrow comes back, they beat the Ravens 32, 14 in Baltimore. They get to 4 and 8 and everyone started the. Hey, they're still alive if they run the table.

B (55:00)

Yep.

A (55:00)

I think they lost literally the next week. But that was a good Thanksgiving for Bengals. You had a little bit of hope.

B (55:05)

I. I had the same thing. Beating the. Beating the. It was the Ravens on Thanksgiving. That was a great after. Specifically, it was my super bowl for them when they all just. They were on the field together and they were all eating turkey and eating the meal. It was like, that is great time. That's. That's the boys hanging out. They'll remember that. They'll think back and smile. And then. Yeah, I also had the Browns beating the Packers. That was weird.

A (55:26)

Yeah, that was weird. And Miles Garrett.

B (55:29)

And Miles Garrett.

A (55:30)

Yeah. Stavi's not looking like he's doing well, huh? Are you listening to it? You're pre listening to it. Okay, let's do. Jags Titans first. Jags 41, Titans 7. The Jacksonville Jaguars are AFC south champions. Incredible season.

C (55:45)

Called it.

A (55:46)

What? You remember? Oh yeah, that's right. I did. Did you bet it?

C (55:52)

Yeah.

A (55:53)

Fuck yeah. What. What price did you get?

C (55:54)

It was five to one.

A (55:56)

That was. Damn. Yeah, I should have bet it. Fuck, I'm an idiot. Incredible season though for them. The. The turnaround was nuts. I think they're the third team in history to have to go from. To. To have 13 plus losses to 13 plus wins. The Patriots this year is another one. And the 1999 Colts. Peyton Manning second year? I believe so. Crazy turnaround. Crazy turnaround. Liam Cohen's awesome. Trevor Lawrence is playing out of his mind. Good. Trevor Lawrence. In the last eight games a season, 19 pass touchdowns, five rush touchdowns. The only players with those TD totals in an eight game span were Lamar Jackson and Cam Newton in their MVP season.

B (56:43)

Yeah, he's been playing at MVP level for the last like month and a half. Also, maybe some credit to James Gladstone, their new gm.

A (56:52)

He had the boy wizard.

B (56:53)

The boy wizard might have done it. The spreadsheet might have gotten the Jaguars to the playoffs.

A (56:57)

And they did this all without our guy, Travis Hunter.

B (57:00)

Yeah, for the most part. Now I'm confused about something. Maybe, maybe you can fill me in. Did I miss something? Jerry o' Connell says I'm a Jaguars fan now. This is all Jags content. Why is that? And then he posted a picture of him yelling in your ear, Hank. Did he mean to say that he's a Chargers fan now?

A (57:16)

I think. I think he's probably got confused.

B (57:18)

I think he might be a little confused, Jerry. I think that you should just be both. Yeah, I think you could be a. Yeah. Be a Chargers and a Jags fan.

A (57:26)

They're similar enough.

B (57:27)

Approved. Yeah, whatever it takes, Jerry. But yeah, the Jaguars just playing really, really good football right now. Very, very clean football. Defense looks good. Offense looks good. Special teams had a hiccup. I may have overstayed how bad there. I think their special teams is fine.

A (57:41)

Well, Cam Little's awesome.

B (57:42)

Cam Little is a weapon.

A (57:43)

67 yarder.

B (57:44)

The guy is a goddamn weapon. And also that pool looked awesome today.

A (57:48)

Yeah, there's maybe a kid drowning in it, but other than that it was awesome.

B (57:52)

I mean, that's par for the course.

A (57:53)

Yeah, there's a guy in a luchador mask and a kid like kind of half underwater.

B (57:57)

That might have been the lifeguard that was wearing the T shirt and the luchador mask.

A (58:01)

Yeah, it was the pool looked I tweeted a picture of it. I think PFT did too. Yeah, the. The pool looked like it was rocking, so congrats to the Jacks. They're. They're. They're absolutely one of those teams that. We were saying it before this playoff's so crazy because you could say a bunch of teams and be like, yeah, I guess they could. Look at this kid. He's. He's, he's. And then they get the lucid.

B (58:25)

Yeah, no, Ray Mysterio's got him.

A (58:27)

Yeah, he's going to be fine.

B (58:29)

I like the lady that's wearing the swimsuit and also the knit cap.

A (58:32)

Yeah. In the pool. Yeah, the pool is rock.

B (58:34)

And that one girl's wearing like a dress. Yeah, like a church dress.

A (58:38)

They're having a great time. Magical place, the Titans. Cam Ward played well down the stretch that he got hurt today, which sucks. But he did, he did improve in the final eight games. He had 10 touchdown passes, one interception, 103 passer rating. These are all in the eight last eight games. So four straight games to end the season with two TD. TD passes. He went out of the game today, but he was. Yeah, he, he showed some progress.

B (59:05)

Yeah. And you got some. You got a couple pieces. Jeffrey Simmons is awesome. Yeah, there's some guys that you can build around there.

A (59:11)

In terms of the crystallized moment for the Titans, I would say week five versus the Cardinals, that crazy fourth quarter comeback where they scored 16 points for their first win in the season.

B (59:22)

Yep.

A (59:23)

And then also the game week 16 when they beat the Chiefs, I know it was after Patrick Mahomes tours acl, but that was Cam Ward's like, he was really, really good in that game.

B (59:34)

I, I had those two things too. That the. The Cards come back was incredible. And then when you beat the Chiefs, doesn't matter. It's the logo, it's Andy Reid.

A (59:42)

Yeah.

B (59:43)

You feel like you beat the Chiefs.

A (59:44)

And you beat the fuck out of.

B (59:45)

You really kicked their ass.

A (59:46)

So. Yeah, those are the two moments where you can look back and be like, hey, you know what? There were a couple moments where we had a good Sunday into Monday, and.

B (59:53)

Now they're picking fourth.

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A (61:44)

See DKNG CO B ball. Okay, Texans 32 or sorry, 38, Colts 30. There was that touchdown at the very end, which didn't matter for the spread, but Riley Leonard looked okay. Texans brought in Davis Mills. Like what? Halfway through the game, Nico Harrison. Nico Harrison. Nico Collins didn't play. This was kind of one of those Week 18 games. Like, let's just get on with it. Because as soon as the Jags went up by how much they went up, it was like, all right, DFC South's done. Yeah, let's just, let's just move on.

B (62:16)

It still seemed like the Texans had a lot to gain, though, during the game. I, I feel like they took their foot off the gas like super early, didn't they?

A (62:24)

Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, the, the Jaguars went up big very early.

B (62:28)

Yeah, they just kind of, they waved the White flag or they. They seemed to.

A (62:32)

And they still won.

B (62:32)

They still won, but they seem to kind of like, you know, stop putting their best effort forward way sooner than I thought that they would. Most coaches, especially if you're in a close game, would just be like, no, I'm going to keep playing my starters. I saw that the, that Philip Rivers is gonna get some interviews to be a head coach.

A (62:49)

I love that.

B (62:50)

Good for him. Yeah, good for him. He's a high school coach.

A (62:53)

Yep.

B (62:54)

I guess this is one way to, to jump to the top of the line. I. I think it'd be good for the league if Philip Rivers was a head coach. Player, coach, player, coach would be incredible.

A (63:03)

Like.

C (63:03)

Yeah.

B (63:03)

Are you telling me that if you're starting quarterback goes down, Philip Rivers is your head coach? He's not going to at least think about putting himself back in.

A (63:10)

Yeah.

B (63:10)

All the memories he could make for himself has to. It has to happen. This is kind of the. The half season from hell for the Colts.

A (63:17)

Oh, yeah.

B (63:18)

With the exception, obviously, Philip Rivers playing for you. Things just completely fell apart.

A (63:23)

They. So they finished. They were. My, My, like, best moment for colts was week 10. They went to Berlin. They beat the Falcons in overtime. They went to 8 and 2. Then they had the bye week, 8 and 2 going into the bye week. It was right after the Sauce Gardner trade, by the way, Sauce Gardner, officially the least amount of wins if you count all teams. And Sauce Gardner, he had two wins this year. The Raiders had three, so. But that was the moment. That was the moment where it felt like everything was in front of you. Daniel Jones gets hurt. They finished the season one and seven. Brutal.

B (64:00)

It was. Everything was in front of you at that moment. But it was very short lived because I think it was like one day later that Hank called you a fraud and brought you crashing back down to earth.

A (64:09)

Yeah.

B (64:10)

Yeah. And Hank was right.

A (64:11)

Hank was. Listen, Hank's dead on. Right.

B (64:13)

You can, you can be mad at Hank. God knows I'm. I'm upset with him from time to time. But I also raised my hand and I admit the man is the best hater that I've ever been around.

C (64:23)

I just call it how I see it.

B (64:25)

Truth.

A (64:25)

You. You nailed that one. You nailed it.

B (64:28)

Truth teller. Yeah, my. My super bowl for the Colts was. It was actually the loss to the Rams. Remember that? Yeah, they lost to the Rams and AD Mitchell had like two turnovers and it felt like they should have beaten the Rams.

A (64:40)

Yeah.

B (64:40)

At that point, it was like, their losses are good enough to prove to me that they're a great team.

A (64:45)

Yeah.

B (64:46)

And that they should be around.

A (64:48)

So the Colts are bringing back Shane Steichen, which I think is the right move, but they're also bringing back Chris Ballard, which I don't understand because Chris Ballard has been the Colts GM for, I believe, nine years now. He has never won the division. And it's the AFC south. And it's not like, you know, the AFC south is, is bad, but there have been stretches where there have been bad teams in the AFC south and he has not found a way to win the division.

B (65:16)

I think, I think Ms. Ursay is going to take care of that. Yeah, I, I think she's got her eye on him. That's all. I, I don't know if. Have they made like a commitment to move on with him or they just haven't fired him yet?

A (65:30)

No, no, they said they. I think they made a. They made an announcement saying that Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are both safe.

B (65:36)

I think, I think Ms. Officially returned.

A (65:38)

Yeah. Colts owner Carly or say Gordon will speak to the media Monday.

B (65:42)

I think she's got her eye on them, though.

A (65:44)

But yeah, it's Chris Ballard. Yeah, he's. He's held on. I think, I think maybe it's the, I think the, the lesson in all of this is take a job where the franchise quarterback decides to just retire randomly right after you take the job. And then you can be like, well, if Andrew Luck didn't retire, then you.

B (66:05)

Can go for a series of like one year replacements.

A (66:07)

Yeah, like, like Gar Foreman and John Paxton kind of did that with Derrick Rose's injury. They're like, well, if Derrick Rose didn't get injured, yeah, we'd be in a totally different place.

B (66:14)

We're still trying to work our way out of having this guy because we built a team around Andrew's strength.

A (66:18)

So it's 10 years later. Like, hey, listen, if he didn't retire, it would be totally different.

B (66:22)

Tell you what, how many first round picks is it going to take to bring Carson Wentz here? We gotta, we gotta fix this gaping hole.

A (66:28)

Matt Ryan.

B (66:29)

Matt Ryan. What about Philip Rivers?

A (66:31)

Remember that Mount Ryan year? That was tough. That was a tough watch.

B (66:35)

But Daniel Jones. What do you do with Daniel Jones at this point?

A (66:38)

Keep him. Is he got. Is he under contract? I assume he is. Memes, you probably know the Achilles. I don't think he is. I think he's free agent. Oh. So actually maybe keep him for cheap because he's injured. Right.

B (66:52)

Well, let's see his.

A (66:53)

And it's also the Anthony Richardson draft pick is what really has sunk them recently.

B (66:57)

Yeah. And with Daniel Jones, it was the Achilles and then he heard it late enough in the season where he's not going to be ready for the start of next year.

A (67:04)

No, I would say probably not free age.

B (67:06)

Start of next year.

A (67:07)

Yeah.

B (67:07)

So they got to figure out what to do at quarterback again.

A (67:11)

Again. Which is not fun for like the.

B (67:14)

20Th season in a row.

A (67:16)

Yeah. And it's. Aaron Rodgers feels like he might stay.

B (67:20)

I mean there's, there's an answer out there if you want to go. Like the traditional what we've seen from the Colts since the retirement of Andrew Luck. There's. There's a name out there that fits perfectly.

A (67:30)

Who?

B (67:31)

Kirk Cousins.

A (67:32)

Yeah.

B (67:33)

Colts quarterback.

A (67:35)

That's true. Imagine if they'd taken Tyler Shuck. I'd be feeling about the Colts right now.

B (67:40)

Feeling pretty good.

A (67:41)

I'd be feeling pretty good.

B (67:43)

I. I do think that the Colts were good if. If Daniel Jones had stayed healthy. I think this is much different. Wrap up of the Colts.

A (67:50)

Yeah. No, I, I think they. They probably find a way to get in the playoffs.

B (67:52)

They probably wouldn't be the 1 seed.

A (67:53)

With the 8 and 2.

B (67:54)

Yeah.

A (67:55)

I think I saw it. I think it was like the. The first team ever to do that where they finished. They started 8 and 2 and finished under.500. Right.

B (68:03)

Cause the Colts. Okay. I'll preface it by saying Hank was.

A (68:07)

He was 7 and 2. They started. Sorry.

B (68:09)

Hank ended up being right.

A (68:10)

Yeah.

B (68:11)

But I don't think that there were frauds at the time. He was right that they weren't going to make the playoffs. But at the time the Colts had beat. They beat the Broncos. They. They barely lost to the Rams. They beat the Chargers.

A (68:24)

They almost beat the Seahawks. Phil Rivers.

B (68:26)

They did. Yeah.

A (68:27)

They were the first team in super bowl era to at one point be six games over.500 and then end the season with a losing record.

B (68:36)

Yeah.

A (68:36)

That's tough. That's tough. And it pretty much came right after you frauded them.

B (68:42)

Also their schedule, the schedule did get way, way harder on the Colts down the stretch. But I. They would not have lost all those games.

A (68:49)

Yeah. Do you know this is the first time the Texans are in the playoffs as a wild card.

B (68:54)

Yeah.

A (68:54)

It's pretty crazy. They've always won the south. They started 0 and 3, were 3 and 5, finished season 12 and 5. I'm. I'm now on just Texans hate watch. Just rooting against them. Sorry. I like you, Dico Ryan's their defense Is awesome. Danielle Hunter Shout out you. You know why you get it. But yeah, we have to part ways here.

B (69:18)

But again the. The Texans are 2. 0 at home in the playoffs and 02 on the road in the playoffs.

A (69:23)

And they're gonna have to play under.

B (69:24)

D. Ryan's pretty much all.

A (69:26)

Well, not necessarily all road games, but.

B (69:28)

Most likely most games.

A (69:30)

I mean, at least for the first two rounds.

B (69:31)

Yeah.

A (69:32)

Okay. Cowboys. Giants. I don't know this. The Giants are just. The Giants are. Are so, so maddening for Giants fans. The Our. Our friend Tommy Smokes tweeted out they are eight and 30 in their last 30 games. The Giants are. And four of those eight wins have come in week 17 or 18 when they were far, far eliminated. They only win games to hurt their draft pick and that's what they did today. And the Cowboys weren't trying. They. I mean Dak Prescott came out after I think he got 4,000 yards. He just was out of the game after that. The Cowboys did not care and the Giants did for no reason.

B (70:14)

They really cared.

A (70:15)

They really cared.

B (70:16)

Well, I've been saying this about Kafka that he's been coaching the team like he's not an interim coach. Like he's been being a hard ass to them. He's been like not, not necessarily like the nice guy, best friend, head coach. And yeah, they, they tried really, really hard today. Jackson Dart looked pretty good. I. I still like when Jackson Dart does the improvisational.

A (70:37)

Yeah.

B (70:38)

Like I hope that. Because I did see him sliding more today. I saw him like thinking a little bit more about taking care of himself in contact. Just don't beat the crazy weird Brett Favre improv out of him because that's when Jackson Dart made. Makes some, some serious magic happen. Like that little. The dump off that he had was that to Bellinger? Yeah, that he took across the field. That was an awesome play. Giants look good. Ultimately though, it's. It was not a good win for the Giants. It's kind of like the Drew Lock where he just went nuclear a couple years ago.

A (71:08)

I mean they had two. The two going into week 17 and 18. If they just lost those two games, they have the number one pick. They obviously beat the Raiders last week. If they had just lost today, they would have had the number two pick. It's crazy. It's insane what they keep doing every single year.

B (71:26)

Yeah.

A (71:26)

Like you have to be so angry at the Giants for doing this year in and year out where they themselves over by winning completely meaningless games for no reason. You're going to have a totally new head coach, a new staff. Why did you win this game today? What? Like, look at what the. The Raiders only ended up winning a game because they were nothing could fuck up getting the first pick anymore. Like, look what the Raiders did against the Giants last week. They. They sent Max Crosby home. Why didn't you just do that?

B (71:56)

I've got a theory about the. Some of the Giants players in these final weeks of the season. Obviously, it's hard to tank in the NFL as a player because.

A (72:08)

Because.

B (72:08)

Yeah, because everything you do it. It. Your next contract depends on it. I think these guys are so burnt out playing for the Giants that by the end of the season, in these meaningless games, they're like, I need to play to my absolute best potential so I can sign with a team that's not the Giants.

A (72:25)

Yeah, but that's where the Giants are so stupid for not just sitting everyone.

B (72:29)

Yeah.

A (72:30)

Like the Raiders gave you the blueprint. Yeah.

B (72:33)

Sit dart.

A (72:34)

The Raiders told you put Russ in.

B (72:36)

But. Yeah, well, James could fuck things up, too.

A (72:38)

Although Russ did have like, the best game of the year against the Cowboys. Remember that game?

B (72:42)

Yeah.

A (72:43)

When he just kept on throwing moon balls. They might have still been able to beat the Giants with Russ. I mean, the Cowboys, I think they.

B (72:48)

Would have beaten the Cowboys and Jameis too.

A (72:50)

Yeah.

B (72:51)

Yeah. The Giants were just too good.

A (72:52)

But the last three seasons, in week 17 and 18, they're four and two and all other weeks they're nine and 36. Yeah. That's insane.

B (73:02)

Your super bowl, by the way. Giants will be when you fire Joe Shane.

A (73:05)

Yep. Also backup Super Bowl Thursday Night Football, when you beat the Eagles. Kick the out of the Eagles and camp Scatter Boo was awesome. And that was.

B (73:15)

That was definitely a Super bowl for the Cowboys. Your Super Bowl. A lot of people would say, beating the Chiefs on Thanksgiving, I think that's it. I disagree.

A (73:23)

Okay.

B (73:24)

Tying the Packers 40 to 40 in the aftermath of the Micah Parsons trade where everyone was like, the Cowboys pretty big. The Cowboys will win zero games, blah, blah, blah. And then they tied the Packers.

A (73:35)

But if you're talking about a crystallized moment of like, when was it the most fun to be a Cowboys fan this year? It had to have been Thanksgiving because remember the talk. You led all talk because if the Cowboys just sniff above 500, every show is going to talk about them ad nauseam. And they beat the Chiefs in front of. I think it was the most watched NFL game, regular season game ever.

B (73:56)

Yeah.

A (73:57)

And they went to 6, 5 and 1. And all the talk was Watch out for the Cowboys. No one wants the Cowboys in the playoffs. This offense is incredible. Which it was. But. Yeah, that after that, you went and lost to Detroit and you lost to Minnesota and you lost to the Chargers, and it all just fell apart. Yep.

B (74:15)

But you're right about the Giants. I had that, too. The. The Thursday night game against Philly. We had Scatterboo. The blue injury tent. Yeah, that was. That was scenes.

A (74:22)

That was fun. Remember that? Remember that, Max?

C (74:25)

Yep.

A (74:26)

That was Phillies. That was.

D (74:29)

I'm. I'm aware.

A (74:30)

Oh, I was talking to pft. Yeah, you.

D (74:32)

You said, Max.

A (74:33)

I said, yeah, but you said, did you.

D (74:34)

Do you.

A (74:35)

No, but then I looked at. I looked at pft. That was Philly, because he might not have remembered.

C (74:39)

No, I do.

B (74:40)

I do remember, because you were gone.

A (74:41)

For a little bit.

B (74:41)

You were at the Cubs game.

A (74:43)

Yeah.

B (74:43)

And I was watching at the. At the office. And that Phillies game was crazy, by the way, the way that ended. Yeah.

A (74:48)

And I came back and you said, hey, so bad. Like, don't even talk to him.

B (74:56)

Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want to. My focus was on one thing that was making sure that Max kept the hair, kept the outfit on for the show. That was it.

A (75:06)

Okay. Vikings 16, Packers 3. Ugly game. J.J. mcCarthy goes out of the game because he heard it re. Injured his hand. The packers were playing no. 1. They're playing Clayton Tune. They were not trying this game, although it did have spread drama at the end where the packers were almost going to score.

B (75:24)

That was so confusing at the end of the game.

A (75:26)

Yeah, it was crazy. But JJ McCarthy, now. Now your Vikings are basically. What do you do? Because they finished 9 and 8. They were. They're officially. They were officially in that. If they had found a way, kind of like the Falcons, they would have been a scary team. The way that defense was playing, I don't know if they would have been that scary because it might have been Max Brosmer in a playoff game. But they finished the season strong. And now what do you do with J.J. mcCarthy?

B (75:52)

I think you got to roll with him.

A (75:53)

He said. He said after the game. After. So he was asked, have you earned the right to be the starter? He said, after today, maybe, but tomorrow there's nothing promised. The next day, there's nothing promised. I'm just trying to make daily deposits to make sure I'm in this house for a long time.

B (76:09)

Daily deposits. I love it. You got to roll with nine.

A (76:12)

Yeah.

B (76:12)

You got a roll nine. Although Max Brosmer didn't look bad. Today when he got in. Clayton Tune. I don't know, I guess you're, that's okay. You're a third string quarterback. Third string quarterback. That's fine. Nobody really expected too much out of this game in general, but yeah, it was a, it was a boring game.

A (76:27)

What do you think about J.J. mcCarthy saying he didn't want to take a toal shot because he didn't want anything to numb the pain. Is he a masochist?

B (76:34)

Yeah, maybe he, he might like to feel alive.

A (76:37)

I mean, I guess this, it was smart for him to not play if he's hurt because who the cared about this game?

B (76:43)

I've only had one tortle shot before. That was a kidney stone episode. But I think that your body has a limit on them. Yeah, right. Like you can't take them all the time.

A (76:52)

Well, I think you take them every week you play in the NFL.

B (76:55)

I, I, I think they ration them now.

A (76:58)

I think everyone takes them. I think most guys take them every single week.

B (77:00)

No, I don't, I don't, I don't think that they do. No. Because it like literally destroys your, your organs if you do that.

A (77:07)

I know. I, I, I think guys still take them every week.

B (77:10)

I think maybe in the 90s, early 2000s, I think they've dialed back on him and he might have just been like, I don't want it. Because last game of the season, who cares?

A (77:24)

Will, Will Compton said he didn't play a single game without one.

B (77:28)

I think that they are pretty strict about it.

A (77:31)

Yeah, well, either way, he didn't take one. So he, Yeah, I don't know where the Vikings go. I don't know what they do. I think, I think they should bring back Kirk Cousins as backup because if they had a competent backup this year, they would have been in the playoffs.

B (77:45)

Probably. Yeah.

A (77:45)

They didn't have to turn to Carson Wentz and Max Rosemary.

D (77:47)

Yeah, Carson Wentz wasn't that bad.

A (77:49)

He wasn't that good.

C (77:51)

Did he win a game?

A (77:53)

Did he win a game? Beat the out of the Bengals. Oh, that's right. That's right. So he won a game. He won our game.

B (78:03)

I think the Vikings super bowl is yet to come.

A (78:06)

Okay.

B (78:08)

If the Seahawks get eliminated in their.

D (78:10)

First, I'll beat the Browns.

B (78:11)

I think that's what it is.

A (78:13)

Yeah.

B (78:13)

Because then they're like, yeah, Sam Darnold. Okay, good. By the way, we didn't screw up.

A (78:18)

I forgot to say that stat that Sam Darnold is the second guy. Tom Brady was the only other one to go back to back 13 win season seasons.

B (78:26)

Yeah.

A (78:26)

Pretty crazy. Or was it 14 wins? They had 14 wins this year. 14 wins. Yeah, 14, 14 wins. I think their Super bowl was week nine when J.J. mcCarthy came back and they beat Detroit in Detroit and went to 4 and 4 and that was an official like, okay, we're back. We can, we can, we can maybe make the playoffs.

B (78:48)

Fourth quarter against the Bears too.

A (78:49)

Yep. Week one. That was very nice. Okay, let's do a couple ads and then we will get to the afternoon games and then we'll talk a little.

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A (80:45)

Okay. Afternoon Games Lions 19, Bears 16 this game sucked.

B (80:52)

Yeah, it was a bummer.

A (80:53)

The Bears, well, so I. I Thought they would play better because the two seed we'll get to the Commander's Eagles. But the two seed, you got to win to get the two seed digging. The Eagles would beat the Commanders. Turns out they didn't. So they still have the two seed. But it was, it did feel like a team that had been playing with a ton of urgency for many weeks in a row and then playing a Week 18 game that didn't feel like it had all the stakes and they came out flat and the Lions didn't. And then when the Bears did wake up, it was, you know, a little bit too, too little, too late. Even though they tied the game. Ben Johnson, I here's how I'm really looking at this game is that Ben Johnson can use it as fuel. And also Ben Johnson fucked up at points in this game, especially not going for it on fourth and five in the fourth quarter with like three and a half minutes left or whatever. It was knowing that our defense couldn't get a stop and I think he even mouthed it on the sideline like I should have gone for it. Punted. Hopefully he realizes, you know, the defense that the Bears have right now, you got to be very aggressive in these playoffs to string together some wins.

B (82:04)

It was a good fourth quarter for the Bears. The, the defense overall did not look impressive. No, the.

A (82:10)

It's not good.

B (82:10)

There's some big gaps in the secondary.

A (82:12)

The, the middle of the field is just wide open. Big gaps and we have no pass rush. It also was tough having Ozzy out at left tackle. You could tell that Caleb was kind of. I don't think he threw left all game because Theo Benedict was in his place and there was a pass rush coming at him. But yeah, it was overall a disappointing game. And I don't think it matters much overall because like, like I said, the two seed ended up happening anyway. But you would have liked to see a little bit better of an effort and go into the playoffs on a high note. Instead, they go on a two game loss. Kind of a weird setup. The Bears last win. So the Bears are playing the packers at Soldier Field on Saturday night. The Bears last win was against the Packers. The packers last win was against the Bears.

B (82:59)

That is weird. What happened with CD Deuce?

A (83:02)

I don't know actually. I didn't see an update. So that's a problem. I mean it's all. The defense is a problem. There's a lot of.

B (83:09)

It looked like it was a concussion. Like he was being supported. Wobbly.

A (83:13)

Oh yeah, he was very wobbly. Yeah. The, the. I've been pretty consistent with the Bears this year. Like, this, this season has been so much fun and Caleb Williams made tremendous strides. And like, I mean, Colson Loveland is just. The way he came on at the end of the season was insane. Like, he's, he looks like an absolute dude. Caught another touchdown pass. I don't. It's going to be very hard if you don't turn the ball over to get a deep playoff run with this defense. That's just stating facts. Do I. Could they do it? Because anything can happen in one game play. Like, yeah, they, they could. If the Bears are in the NFC Championship game, I'd be like, yeah, that could, that could happen because they have won games in crazy ways all year and they do not have any quit as a team. Even today when they look lifeless in the first half and then came back. But it's, it's tough. It's tough with this defense.

B (84:07)

At one point during the broadcast, they said that this was rock bottom for the Lions and. Yeah, that makes no sense. If this is rock bottom for the Lions. What, what a great job Dan Campbell has done for that franchise, that barely missing the playoffs is the worst that it could get. They did look like they cared very deeply.

A (84:22)

Oh, they said it.

B (84:23)

Yeah.

A (84:23)

On the broadcast. Like, Dan Campbell, like, had an inspired speech on Saturday night saying, like, we want to win this game.

B (84:29)

Yes.

A (84:30)

It's personal, which. I love it. It's a rivalry.

B (84:32)

The Lions cared extremely deeply. They wanted to beat Ben Johnson. Clearly. They, Jared Goff played, played pretty decent. I know the two gloves. There's been some knock against him for his play outdoors when it gets a little chilly outside. He played pretty good today. They, they weren't like, dominant running the ball like they were earlier in the season, but they did it enough. They built up a big enough lead and I, I guess if this is rock bottom for the Lions, consider yourself extremely blessed.

A (84:58)

Yeah.

B (84:58)

As a Lions fan with the Bears, you do get the packers coming to Chicago next week, which is going to be. That's going to be a crazy game. Yeah. And I, I, there's, there's. I can fit. I can sense that. It's like this is, this is the potential to be one of the best days of your life and one of the worst days of your life.

A (85:18)

It's, it's crazy. The first two games obviously ended on, like, walk offs at the, you know, interception in Lambeau and then the walk off touchdown, DJ Moore. I, Yeah. I will talk about this game throughout the week, but I'M I'm not gonna sugarcoat it or pretend that it's something different. If the Bears lose this game, it makes the 2025 season. I won't look back and be like, man, that was a really fun season. I'll. I'll be very excited going forward. But when you. It's kind of like remember the Tigers Guardians this year when the Guardians caught the Tigers right before and that incredible comeback at the end of the season to win the Central and then they lost to the Tigers in the play. The playoffs erase it. Like that's a fact. You can't that the playoffs erase it. So it is. The swing is very. It's there. But I'm excited for it because I do think the. I think the Bears can. Can go on a little run here and I, I never will count them out with the way the, the way the team plays with their back against the wall is both maddening and so exciting.

B (86:22)

No.

C (86:22)

Yeah.

B (86:23)

In the moment you, you were very clear that you wanted to the two seed.

A (86:26)

You want.

B (86:27)

You wanted the packers. But there's also that high risk for extreme pain with the Packers. But I, I agree that you have a. I think I'd like your odds better against them.

A (86:36)

It's. It's just the, the, the team. You cannot count this team out. But you also know going into a playoff game, it's like you can't start slow. And it's been so much fun to watch this team because they've given so many awesome moments. But they also give you just a heart attack because you're like, okay, I guess we're have to do this again. We're gonna have to do the, the comeback late again. So, so that's why I wish Ben Johnson had gone for it on fourth down because like Caleb's been money in those situations. He started to play really well in the second half after. It's. It's kind of the recipe too when we have really bad halves, it's that recipe of like the other team gets the ball first, goes on, you know. The Lions went on an eight minute drive. Ben, don't break defense. Bears go on a three and out and you like blink and the Bears have had the ball for like two minutes and it's like six minutes left in the second quarter and they never get in a rhythm. Gotta find a way to get in a rhythm early.

B (87:31)

What do you think about Caleb wearing Ben Johnson's high school uniform to the game? That feels to me like it's a playoff. Caleb Presley's high school yeah, but it was Ben Johnson. No, I know, I know.

A (87:40)

I'm just shouting out our guy.

B (87:41)

It was Ben Johnson's high school uniform. To me, that felt like that's a move that you do for the playoffs. Like he used it week 18.

A (87:48)

I don't know. I think he's got to do something himself for the playoffs. This is more like good season, like, you know.

C (87:53)

Yeah.

A (87:54)

Yeah.

B (87:54)

What do you think?

A (87:55)

Playoffs, you can't, you can't do that.

B (87:57)

What do you think?

C (87:58)

Or one of your players.

A (87:59)

Yeah.

C (87:59)

Like one of your teammates.

B (88:01)

Yeah, yeah. Your buddy.

C (88:03)

Or like he could go Chicago, Chicago legend route. Michael Jordan. Like something like that. Sammy Sosa, Walter Payton.

A (88:12)

I'm excited for the. I mean, Saturday night. It's going to be. It's going to be something.

B (88:18)

It's going to be Saints.

A (88:19)

It's going to be something. It's going to be something. But if we're talking just because again, we're going to have a lot of time to talk about the game in the playoffs. If we're talking about 20, 25 incredible success, it is a little weird. We won the Division 2 and 4 record in the North.

B (88:33)

Yeah.

A (88:33)

But won the division, won't apologize for that. No. And going into this season, if you said that the Bears would end up with 11 wins and winning the NFC north and be like, sign me the up, how'd that happen? Yeah. And Caleb looks so much better in year two and Ben Johnson is a dude. I do. Do you know what I'm saying? Like Ben Johnson is that type of psycho that this game, not only he's mad at himself, but he's gonna be able to use this with the team. And this might be cope by me, but I do feel like a loss in that way that's personal for him against the Lions. He's going to have that extra edge going into this week.

B (89:08)

He might, he might be a guy that, that coaches better when he's pissed off.

A (89:11)

Yeah. And I don't know how you could fix the defense. You. I mean, it's, it's very disappointing this year because they're not. There's a lot of money in the defense and it's just. You just know going into the game. I've watched him, you know, every single game if you don't get turned the ball over, they just get shredded.

B (89:26)

I think you could also just say like we don't match up well against the lines right now.

A (89:30)

The Lions are a problem because Dan Campbell takes it personally and they also just do that crossing route which we cannot Cover And. And they did that all day.

B (89:37)

Yeah.

A (89:38)

Every single guy. Reynolds. Like, every guy would just. Oh, that's another 15 yards right down, right. Right across the field. Just don't have the team speed.

B (89:50)

Yep.

C (89:50)

Are you worried? I. I want the Bears to win. I'll be pulling for you guys, pulling for the city. I have uniquely been in a spot for a home game against the packers and watch Jordan Love come in and just.

A (90:08)

Oh, yeah. Run it up with your. With your weekend as a Cowboys fan. Yeah.

B (90:14)

Scary.

A (90:15)

No. Jordan loves. I'm. I'm. I'm scared of. I would say my two biggest concerns. One would be Malik Willis, and two would be Jordan Love.

B (90:23)

Is Toyota Thon still going on?

A (90:25)

I don't know. I think you're in love. Is. Is having a baby, too.

B (90:31)

Well, that's crazy.

A (90:32)

Yeah. So he might be on pregnancy leave soon. Why?

B (90:35)

The buddy Pregnant Lions.

A (90:38)

We talked about it this week, but they are Lions specifically because the Falcons could have been in the playoffs. I feel like the Lions are one of those teams with how wide open the NFC is. They got to be kicking themselves because this was a season where it's like, you don't. Any team can win in the nfc. And the Lions specifically, if they had gotten in the playoffs, I feel like they would have been dangerous.

B (90:59)

Yeah. I mean, the Lions still have a lot of great players. I do think that they miss Ben Johnson. He added a big element to that offense. But I also think that the lines will be okay next year. I think they'll be fine.

A (91:08)

Yeah. So their super bowl, to me, was week seven or their. Their, like, best moment was week seven when they beat the. Out of the bucks and they went to 5 and 2.

B (91:17)

That or Ravens lines.

A (91:20)

Commanders. The Sunday Night Football game when they. When they were off a loss and they put up 44.

B (91:26)

I. I was gonna say the Monday night game. Right. The Ravens game, 38 to 30.

A (91:33)

Was that early in the season?

B (91:34)

Yeah. The. September 22nd. Yeah. They scored 17 in the fourth quarter against the Ravens. That was a pretty good win for the lines.

A (91:40)

Yeah.

B (91:41)

Also. Yeah. That game against the Commanders, it was like every. Everything that they did, just perfect.

A (91:46)

Yeah. And Caleb didn't get 4, 000 yards. I wanted him to, but we'll do it next year. Yeah.

B (91:52)

How far away did he finish?

A (91:54)

Probably like a hundred yards away. Yeah. I mean, Jay Cutler did finish very close the year that Mark Tressman tried to save his job and benched him in week 15 inexplicably to show that he could run an offense with Matt Barkley.

B (92:06)

What if Caleb wore a Jay Cutler jersey and a cigarette?

A (92:10)

Cudi.

B (92:11)

Cudi and a cigarette. Going stadium. I. I would have no choice but.

A (92:15)

To bet the Bears, they might go to this game. He might show up with his hair looking great. By the way, Joe Burrow's hair was. Did you see there was like, oh, look at Joe Burrow fixing his hair so much. His hair looked awesome.

B (92:26)

Yeah, he's got great hair.

A (92:27)

His hair looked awesome. Oh, wait, that wasn't the season. The color. Color did not come close. What year was it? No, he wasn't close. Oh, wait. Yeah, it was 2014. He had. He ended up 190, 188 yards shy, and he got benched in week 15.

B (92:43)

I think the. The two. The two guys. I would like to see Caleb pay homage to next week one. Maybe Dennis Rodman.

A (92:52)

That'd be cool.

B (92:52)

That'd be awesome.

A (92:54)

He doesn't do this every single game, but. Yeah.

B (92:56)

Yeah. I'm just saying, like, sometimes he just.

A (92:57)

Wears, like, a sick coat.

B (92:58)

But if it's a playoffs like you. You got your fit. You got your fit. Ready? The Jay Cutler throwback uniform with a cigarette. That would be. That would be incredible. Yeah.

A (93:09)

Okay, so we'll see. We'll talk about it all week. We had all week. It's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be war. Saturday night. I'm already nervous, but Saturday night, we're gonna get it. We're gonna get it on. Hey, round three, baby.

B (93:25)

Pressure. It's a privilege.

A (93:26)

Round three. You know what? Ben Johnson's not listening to this podcast, but if he is, just pound the fucking rock. Just pound the rock. Because the Bears have. When they run the ball and they got away with it. Away from it a little bit today because game script and getting down. Just run the fucking ball right down their throat.

B (93:49)

What's the weather report? We got bear weather coming through town.

A (93:51)

I think it's going to be in, like the 30s, so not that cold. So not full bear weather, which would have been a huge advantage because Green Bay cannot play in bear weather.

B (94:00)

No.

A (94:01)

That's a fact.

B (94:01)

Pretty much. Cali boys.

A (94:03)

Yeah. Okay. So the Bears did end up with the two seed because the Commanders 24, Eagles 17. Thank you. PFT.

B (94:09)

You're welcome. Hey, the alliance. The alliance of the commanders and the. And the Bears. Rock solid.

A (94:15)

Yeah.

B (94:15)

It's nice to go out on a win. Good for Josh Johnson. I'm happy for him. There was a lot of really shitty stuff that happened. It was not a pretty game to Watch. No, between Tanner McKee and most of the Eagles backups and, and the commanders led by Josh Johnson and a defensive guys that for the most part will be backups or retired next season since Dan's coming back next year. Dan Quinn is expected to return as the head coach. I feel like there is some, there's some real use in winning your Week 18 game against a division rival.

A (94:46)

Okay.

B (94:47)

Especially one where a couple weeks ago got into a fight to close the game. It looked like we were going to beat the Eagles a couple weeks ago until Mariota got hurt and then Josh Johnson came in, did what Josh Johnson does, and we kind of lost the plot at the very end. I feel like correcting some of those things. It's a, it's a useful win. I, I, listen, I'm very clear about how I feel about the commanders in situations like this, which is until the whistle starts. I want them to lose for the draft pick the second the whistle blows. I'm rooting full on for the commanders and after the win today, I, I, I feel at peace with the fact that we won. I don't think that there's, there's not that much of a difference between picking seventh and picking fifth in this draft necessarily. So we're going to be able to get, to get a good player in the draft. I think that, that having the, the offense out there together on the same page, albeit with Josh Johnson under center, getting a win on the road in Philadelphia, division rival, I think that you can take some stuff from that. So, so I, I, I'm glad that we didn't entirely give up on the season when it looked after that Lions Seahawks run that it, we were just going to roll over and play dead for every team that we played. I'm glad there was still some fight there. So I still believe in Dan Quinn. Not a good season. Season from hell. Turn the page. We're on to next year.

A (96:05)

Yeah, Max.

D (96:10)

We didn't take this game too seriously. We wanted to take it as a bye week, get everyone healthy for next week. We've been here before. We're fine with playing anywhere. We're fine with playing any team. We got the Niners next week at home. Yeah, we lost a two seed. We could get it right back Saturday night before we even play.

B (96:28)

So I don't think, I don't think that you are, I don't think that you are fine with playing anyone, anytime, anywhere, because a lot of your guys didn't play.

A (96:36)

Yeah, that's true. This week you, you ducked the commanders sure.

B (96:41)

I'm just saying. And if you keep saying anyone, anytime, anywhere, commanders felt like correct. Yeah, we use this as a buy.

D (96:48)

Yeah, we would prefer to use this as a buy and keep our guys healthy. Three guys got hurt. Yeah. Look, I would in a perfect world, would I like to have the two seed.

B (96:56)

Yes.

D (96:57)

But in a perfect world, I would like to have all of my guys healthy and the two seed. We chose to have all of our guys healthy. I wasn't upset with the decision when Siri honestly was going to do it last week. I'm not going to play hindsight 2020 be like, oh, of course now the seeing that the Bears lost, you would have liked to have won the game. Get the two seat. I just don't think it's as big of a deal. I think people like to get really angry about something that like may not be.

A (97:20)

Whoa.

D (97:21)

May not be that big of a deal.

A (97:22)

This was a very rational take because I feel like there's going to be some mad people in Philadelphia tomorrow. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah.

D (97:27)

Everyone is mad immediately.

B (97:29)

But Max, what if you lose to the Niners and then the Bears beat the Packers?

D (97:36)

If we lose to the nine, who's. Who's to say we would have beat the Packers?

B (97:40)

Well, if the Bears like blow them out, there's going to be a lot.

D (97:43)

We're three and a half points favorites against the Niners.

A (97:45)

Would have been three and a half.

D (97:46)

Point favorites against the back.

B (97:47)

Don't act like there won't be a lot of people that would say that you would have beaten the packers if you lose.

A (97:52)

That's. What if the packers forfeit before the game.

D (97:54)

The only thing that. That will. People will have to worry about is if we have to go to Chicago in. In round two.

B (98:02)

Okay.

D (98:02)

Where we would have been home. That's the only. That's the only scenario where people have the right to be angry.

B (98:07)

I. I disagree. I think that why they would.

D (98:09)

If the nine and a half point favorites against both teams.

B (98:11)

If the Niners beat you, you, Deb. But Big Cat, who would you rather have played, the packers or the Niners?

A (98:21)

How am I supposed to answer? I already said I'm scared of everyone. I don't want to play anyway. I want to close my eyes and hopefully playoffs.

D (98:28)

You're playing good teams.

B (98:30)

But don't act like there's not gonna be people in Philadelphia that would be pissed off in that scenario. That's.

D (98:34)

I am not saying I'm not speaking on behalf of other people. I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

A (98:38)

Sound like you, the hindsight will be like, if Jordan Love plays a terrible game and Brock Purdy plays lights out, everyone will be like, oh, I guess.

D (98:45)

But like you, you can't like predict that going into the game.

B (98:51)

Okay.

D (98:52)

You would have been three and a half point favorites against the packers or three and a half point favorite favorites against the Niners. It's not that big of a difference. The only difference really is going to be if we have to go on the road in week two.

B (99:02)

Yeah.

A (99:02)

I mean, Max, which may not even Max does speak from a winner's mentality where I, I said many times in the cave when people are like, who you want to play? I was like, I just want to close my eyes. I'm scared.

B (99:11)

You're going to play good teams in the playoffs.

A (99:13)

Yeah. You got to play playoff teams.

B (99:15)

Yep.

A (99:15)

That's a fact. Commander's best moment.

B (99:19)

I thought long and hard about this signing Terry McLaurin.

A (99:24)

Okay.

B (99:24)

When the contract was signed, that was. That was the peak of my season.

A (99:27)

This year because I thought also the Week 5 win against the Chargers to go 3 and 2 when Jaden came back.

B (99:33)

Yeah. No, I think after that game I did say, yo, you guys up. You forgot about Jaden. I said a lot of stuff after that game. The word soupy might have escaped my mouth at some point. I was feeling pretty good.

A (99:45)

Happens.

B (99:45)

Happens. Everything after that was bad. Nothing that happened after that was good. I, I still think when we signed Terry, that's when all the vibes were good. That's when everything was perfect.

A (99:54)

It might, it might actually be when we went to camp.

B (99:56)

Yeah. Well, no, because he wasn't signed yet. Yeah.

A (99:58)

But still, that was fun.

B (99:59)

Max has a question.

D (100:00)

Are you still happy about this Terry contract?

A (100:03)

Oh, yeah.

B (100:04)

Question. I am. I am.

D (100:06)

That did not sound very confident the way you said.

B (100:08)

Well, no, because I, I understand. I, I do also understand why you're asking a question. Because he got paid a lot of money. He was hurt for part of the season. I'm. I'm happy that he got paid and that when he came back from his injury, he was healthy from that point on, for the most part. Like, he played the second half of the season. And it's not like he's dealing with injuries every single week now.

D (100:29)

I guess he didn't really have a quarterback to throw into him for most of the year.

B (100:32)

Yeah. So it's harder to judge. Yeah.

D (100:35)

I don't think Josh Johnson is probably his best option, that quarterback.

B (100:38)

Probably not. And when, when they did throw the ball to him he made spectacular catches all season long. So I'm, I'm glad that he's not like he didn't get paid. And then every other week he was sitting out with something new. He was injured at the start of the year. That sucked. And then after he came back, he was pretty much back on the field for the entire rest of the year. So I'm not, no, I'm not upset about Terry McLaren. I do think that we need another receiver because obviously the Noah Brown experiment has not really worked. I don't know what's going to happen with Debo. He might be gone. So. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not upset about Terry McLaurin.

D (101:12)

Good news is you're in a good position to draft the wide receiver.

B (101:15)

Yes.

A (101:16)

Yeah.

D (101:17)

And there's a lot of good wide receivers this year.

A (101:19)

Tanner McKee.

D (101:22)

Yeah, he was not so good.

A (101:26)

That would be the part that would, that would piss me off. I was Eagles fans. Like that was a very winnable game of Tanner Key was just decent.

D (101:34)

He was not so good.

A (101:35)

Not so good.

D (101:36)

And there's a lot of people because.

A (101:38)

I feel like that's what Sirianni was thinking. Like we can win this game.

D (101:41)

Yeah.

A (101:42)

With Tanner McKee for sure.

D (101:44)

And he definitely could. Like they very well could have won that game if Danner McKe was.

A (101:49)

And also average your defensive backs not getting like a million interference.

D (101:52)

They have no idea how to, how to not get pass interference. They didn't even try to turn their head once.

B (101:58)

No.

D (101:58)

And then Keely Ringo, Josh Johnson is going in for the leading touchdown and he just, he just runs away from him. He just, he just decided that he didn't, he didn't want to play football on that play. It was, that was. There's a screenshot of Johnson running in for an easy walk in touchdown. You just see Ringo's back to the, to the play. Yeah, but he was like running to the tackle him. He's like, actually I'm going to turn around and let him just run.

A (102:28)

How quickly. How do you feel about the Niners matchup?

D (102:32)

Niners are good. Niners are good.

A (102:33)

I think actually match up decently just because their defense isn't good. So your offense isn't going to like your, your defense is very good and can slow them down.

D (102:42)

I feel a lot better after watching like watching a good defense play play against them this weekend. Last weekend I was, I was very scared of them this weekend. After watching this weekend I wasn't as scared obviously because they won last week, lost this week. It's easy to say.

A (102:56)

Are you worried about playing them off a loss?

D (103:02)

They're playing us off a loss.

A (103:03)

Okay, all right. Yeah, good point, Good point.

B (103:05)

But no, it's not.

A (103:06)

Your.

B (103:06)

Your starters.

A (103:07)

Yeah.

B (103:07)

So awful.

A (103:08)

So that's why. Yeah, no, that's why you starters won against Buffalo.

B (103:11)

That's an important piece. It's like, you should have played your starters so that if they lost, they'd be more excited next week.

A (103:17)

Correct. Right. So the Niners have no motivation going into this playoff.

D (103:21)

No. Yeah, I'm. I'm nervous. Trenton Williams and Ricky Pierce all coming back.

A (103:25)

Yeah.

D (103:26)

But we're going to be fully health. We're going to be fully healthy. They're not laying back.

A (103:30)

There you go.

D (103:32)

Lane back.

B (103:33)

You think Sirianni is, like, secretly excited that. That you had a. A bad backup experience today? That way people, like, won't call into sports talk radio and be like, you need to bench Jaylen or Jaden.

D (103:47)

Jaden.

B (103:47)

Sorry. Jaylen.

D (103:51)

No, I think he would have liked to have won the game, but.

A (103:55)

Was.

D (103:55)

A very humbling moment for a lot of people in Philadelphia who.

B (103:59)

There were a lot of Tanner Marquee.

D (104:00)

Guys after the Chargers game. It was almost like 50, 50, like, people who thought it should be Tanner McKee or Jalen.

B (104:06)

Yeah, I think it's. It's mostly like those. Those.

D (104:09)

We're gonna have to ask him over lottery. Pug was the biggest Tanner McKee guy of all time.

A (104:13)

Yeah.

B (104:14)

If you have an unknown that you think might be good, I think Pug.

D (104:17)

Was still Jalen hurts over. Over Tanner McKee, but.

B (104:19)

But he was thinking a lot about Tanner.

A (104:21)

He loved.

B (104:22)

And if you have an unknown like that, that's a pretty big ace in the hole that you can pull where the offense sucks. Like, we need to just play Tanner now. He can't say that. Yeah, yeah.

D (104:32)

No, Tanner, ah, he was bad. He was real, real bad. Granted, he was playing with the complete backups, but even some of those throw, like, some of those throws are so bad.

B (104:44)

Bad.

A (104:44)

The cave got a little testy between Max PFT and then me and Max because I was like, you. You said you didn't want the two seed. And then Max started rooting for the Bears to win so that he wouldn't get mad when the Eagles lost. It became. There was like webs.

D (105:01)

There was a lot of web.

A (105:02)

PFT was rooting.

D (105:03)

Hank was just kept saying sorry, pft.

A (105:06)

Sorry.

B (105:07)

Well, no, what happened was I was rooting for the commanders, but. But also in the back of my head, I was like, this would Also kind of kick ass if we lost and then Hank was just saying sorry to me whenever we did something bad or when we did something good.

C (105:19)

No, I care about your future and I want like you would have rather had a higher draft pick and Max would have rather won the game. So I was rooting for you guys.

B (105:26)

But I was rooting for the Commanders to win.

C (105:29)

But that's where you're. You were thinking short sighted as someone who cares about you and your long health. I wanted you to lose the game so you had a better draft pick.

A (105:37)

Yeah.

C (105:37)

If we were sitting here right now and you had what pick would you have had?

A (105:40)

Fifth. Fifth pick.

C (105:41)

Yeah. Better than seven?

B (105:43)

It would have been better than seven. Yeah. Caleb downs, you up?

A (105:48)

Caleb down seven. Right there on Tank.

B (105:51)

Yeah. Caleb downs. I did convince myself that we're going to be in position. Draft. Draft Bane. But I don't think that's. That's going to happen anymore.

A (106:00)

Okay, next up. Oh, Pug. Pug, real quick. Come here. Pug. Real quick answer for Tanner McKee.

D (106:11)

Yeah, he didn't have the best night, but you know, got a lot of the backup receivers in o line. It's not, you know, it's not the perfect situation for him.

A (106:21)

Okay, so if he had the perfect situation, he had a bit of an off night.

B (106:25)

It would have been a lot better if it was the full yet AJ.

D (106:28)

Brown in there once devontae in there.

B (106:30)

He was looking good. What about some of the throws?

C (106:32)

It was like a preseason game three.

B (106:33)

When they did block four.

C (106:34)

That's when he has his own night.

B (106:35)

And he had open receivers. What do you think about those throws?

D (106:39)

Yeah, the. Not the best, but everybody has down night. He'll bounce back.

B (106:43)

Are you. Are you bummed out that you won't get to call for him to be the starting quarterback anymore? Never did that.

A (106:50)

Okay.

B (106:50)

All right.

A (106:51)

Thought about him.

D (106:52)

Jaylen 1, Tanner 2 Electra combo.

A (106:55)

Okay. Yeah. Jalen Love them both. Yeah. You love Tanner.

D (107:00)

Love them both.

A (107:01)

Okay.

D (107:01)

Tanner's awesome.

B (107:03)

Pug wasn't awesome tonight.

D (107:06)

In totality. Awesome.

A (107:08)

Awesome.

B (107:09)

Did you want. Did you want the two seed?

D (107:13)

Yeah.

B (107:14)

Why?

D (107:15)

Better than the three seed. You get another home. Pretty good.

A (107:18)

Smart.

B (107:19)

Another home game? Yeah. Did you have any preference between the packers or the Niners would probably pay the play.

D (107:26)

The Packers.

A (107:27)

Okay.

B (107:27)

Okay.

A (107:28)

Okay. Okay.

D (107:28)

But it's fine.

A (107:30)

Anyone anywhere?

D (107:31)

We're chilling. Yeah.

A (107:32)

Except the Commanders today. Okay.

D (107:34)

Bounce back.

A (107:35)

Thank you, Pug.

B (107:36)

No problem.

A (107:36)

And also congratulations Pft. On winning your tournament.

B (107:39)

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it was not my tournament. It's it's the tournament. Everyone knows about the tournament. Yeah.

A (107:45)

Okay. Cardinals, sorry. Rams 37, Cardinals 20. Rams looked like they were playing with their food. Like there was a moment where I was like, are the Rams about to lose three straight to go into the playoffs? Then they turned it on turbo and beat the Cardinals, which that would have been embarrassing if they didn't. The Rams were the big winner of this weekend in the fact that they had no chance of obviously winning the NFC West. But their seating was up for grabs because if the Seahawks had lost, the Seahawks would have slotted into the fifth seed. Seahawks win, Rams win. Rams get to go play the Panthers instead of going to Philadelphia.

B (108:20)

Yeah. Which again, they did lose to the Panthers earlier the season. Probably Matt Stafford's worst game of his entire year.

A (108:25)

But they also lost to the Eagles.

B (108:27)

They also did. Yeah, they lost to the Eagles. Matt Stafford, mvp, he put together a hell of a season. Yeah.

C (108:34)

So many one yard touchdowns, one yard touchdown. If that was the award, he should get it. This is 10 times over.

A (108:40)

This is a funny. Because I watching the MVP discussion, I had no bet, so I didn't really care. And also the NFL mvp, like if it's not, you know, our friend Josh Allen and we're having a time of our life, but the, the both sides are weaponized so well against each other. We got the one yard talking about the one yard touchdown side and then the strength of schedule side and they're just going to battle which one's which. The one yard touchdowns is Matthew Stafford. Yeah, the people who are saying Matthew Stafford shouldn't win it because he had like 101 yard touchdowns. And the strength of schedule is going against Drake May because they had the easiest strength schedule.

B (109:18)

Oh, so it's. Those are the two kind of finalists.

C (109:20)

I got a quote from a recurring guest on the show, friend of the program, NFL announcer, NFL player Greg Olson. This is pro ball. Someone's not playing in the SEC and someone's in the sun belt. This is all NFL rosters.

A (109:35)

Okay.

C (109:36)

Fact or fiction?

A (109:37)

Fact.

B (109:38)

It is pro ball.

A (109:39)

It's pro ball. So you seem resigned that he. I think either of them should win. Like I don't get they both. Their seed was locked.

C (109:48)

Their seed was locked. It didn't matter. And he had like two just garbage time touchdowns.

A (109:54)

No, their seed wasn't locked.

C (109:56)

Their seed was locked at the time of the game.

A (109:58)

The Rams.

C (109:59)

Yeah.

A (109:59)

No, incorrect, incorrect, incorrect. What if they had the Rams? They would have had to go to Philadelphia. Up 14. No, no, but you said at the time of the Game at the time it happened.

C (110:12)

Look at the last two touchdowns they scored. The game was over.

A (110:14)

No. I mean yes. No, the game were winning.

C (110:17)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

A (110:20)

Wait. You think that the fourth quarter today won or lost the mvp? These writers already are gonna. They have to have their vote in tonight. They're. They don't give. You think that was what it's going to do it.

C (110:32)

I mean as someone that was live watching the odds, all of a sudden it's like he threw a one yard touchdown and then he went back into favor. They went back to pick him.

B (110:40)

Well, Hank, they were.

C (110:41)

It's a. It's a legacy. They're giving him a charity award. They're going to give him a charity award. They were up finished third in his division.

B (110:48)

The Rams were up 23 to 20.

A (110:50)

It was the.

B (110:51)

In the fourth quarter.

A (110:52)

The other two teams in the division were very, very good thirds.

B (110:56)

Yeah.

A (110:56)

So.

C (110:57)

But the mvp. An mvp Most valuable player wins a division at least second in the division.

B (111:03)

So the Rams were up by three points in the fourth quarter and then they scored the. The two alleged garbage time touchdowns when look at the last three points garbage. So yard touchdown. Okay. There was.

A (111:14)

They finished second in there.

B (111:15)

There was.

A (111:18)

Oh yeah, they did. They finished second so not third.

C (111:23)

Me.

A (111:23)

They're the 15. You did not come. You became with all these guns and they all just say bang on them with the. With a little flag.

C (111:32)

Youngest player in the super bowl era to lead an NFL completion percentage.

B (111:35)

I should say we're doing a young award.

A (111:36)

This is a young.

D (111:37)

Yeah.

A (111:38)

25 under 25.

B (111:39)

Is this sophomore of the year? Hank, you know what? Let me be the first to congratulate you. Your facts are Drake may wins the sophomore quarterback rankings. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

C (111:52)

Statistic.

A (111:52)

Whatever. You can't say you don't give a when you came loaded with facts. No, I just.

C (111:56)

I always come loaded with facts. I'm always prepared for the show and I always have who gave me these facts.

A (112:01)

Are we blaming Gas?

C (112:02)

No, no, no. Oh, Gaz is snowmobiling. I think still I've not heard from GAS in a few days but. But whatever it's I think still could win it. Here's factor fiction. Matt Stafford wins an MVP earlier in his career. He does not win this year.

A (112:22)

I don't know. It's pretty close.

B (112:24)

Yeah. The man threw for 46 touchdowns.

C (112:27)

How many one yard touchdowns?

B (112:30)

I don't know.

A (112:30)

12 how many touchdowns?

D (112:32)

I think that still would be more than Drake may have.

B (112:35)

You took out everyone. Yard touchdown. These stats aren't going well for you, Hank.

C (112:41)

No.

D (112:41)

He has 15 more.

A (112:46)

Do you really care? I guess. I mean, yeah, it would be cool.

C (112:49)

It'd be great. I also have a bet on him. 21.

A (112:51)

Okay, that's fair.

B (112:52)

Who had more yards?

D (112:55)

Matt Stafford.

B (112:55)

Okay.

D (112:57)

Was it just by same amount of picks?

B (112:58)

Was it just by like 50?

C (112:59)

What about rushing yards?

B (113:01)

I know he had, let's see, four, 400. Yeah, he had about 300 yards. What about more rushing yards?

A (113:07)

I don't know that Ty goes to rushing yards.

B (113:10)

Do you know, Hank?

C (113:12)

Yeah, I think Matt Severin, negative two.

A (113:16)

He probably did have more.

D (113:17)

He had one.

A (113:17)

It won total yards.

C (113:20)

I think they're.

D (113:21)

I think Drake made more.

A (113:24)

Okay. I mean there. I think I. I actually don't know who's gonna win. I think it's. I think it's a true corner.

C (113:31)

Here's a question. Like, you know, because usually they do.

A (113:33)

Give it to it.

C (113:33)

It's the most valuable player. What was a rans record last year? They're pretty good, right?

B (113:39)

Because they also had.

D (113:40)

Matt Stafford was also on the team last year.

C (113:43)

Yeah, but he wasn't playing the whole whole season.

A (113:45)

Whatever. All right.

D (113:45)

You know what that was. I saw what you were. You were trying to do there. That made no sense.

C (113:50)

He turned his team around, but he.

D (113:52)

Was also on the team.

C (113:54)

He wasn't starting the whole year.

A (113:55)

You know what?

B (113:56)

I think you're making an excellent case for Drake May most improved player.

C (113:59)

I this up so bad.

A (114:02)

This is great.

C (114:03)

You know what?

B (114:05)

I actually. I agree with. I think Drake May should win most improved player.

A (114:08)

Because I do think, like I've seen the arguments going on back and forth. There is actually like a pretty compelling argument for Drake May and Mank hit none of them.

B (114:17)

Yeah.

A (114:18)

Qbr.

D (114:19)

That's definitely Drake man.

B (114:21)

Completion percentage. Probably Drake May. Right?

C (114:26)

Best completion percentage. And he had. Yeah.

D (114:28)

Smoke some incompletion percentage.

A (114:30)

Yeah.

D (114:30)

Now we're just making arguments for.

A (114:31)

For you. Yeah. Better record, I think. Epa. Epa.

B (114:35)

What about cpoe? Hank loves cpoe for sure. You love Drake is the cpoe God.

A (114:41)

Yeah.

B (114:43)

Memes. Can you make it work?

C (114:44)

I wanted you guys to make my argument.

B (114:46)

Drake man. Drake May is. Should we say R as a podcast or I can just. It can be mine.

A (114:54)

Yeah.

B (114:54)

Most improved player.

D (114:55)

Memes will not be posting that.

B (114:57)

Most improved.

A (114:58)

Most improved. Yes. Player of the year. Yeah. Slash sophomore of the year.

B (115:05)

Yeah. But we can do two separate graphics.

A (115:07)

I don't know if I'm gonna be.

B (115:08)

Able to post both of them with My data plan. But I'll. I'll definitely post. Post the most improved.

D (115:13)

All right, this is my favorite part of this. This is my favorite part of the show.

A (115:16)

Came out firing and none of them. We just stood here and they just all went by us. Who are you aiming at?

B (115:24)

Gaz is off on a snow machine. Somewhere, somehow, the girl behind him is also wearing a bikini in the snow. And he's just listening to the podcast, just screaming out at his iPhone like.

A (115:33)

Hank, you're doing it wrong. Who gave you that quote?

D (115:36)

No, Hank.

A (115:36)

Hank.

D (115:37)

Gaz will find a way to defend Hank and say that Hank did a good job.

A (115:40)

He'll say that we attacked.

C (115:41)

No, Gaz. Gaz. Gaz holds me accountable.

A (115:44)

When we didn't even. We didn't do anything. We just let him attack himself.

B (115:50)

Numbers are confusing.

A (115:51)

Yeah, they are. There's a lot of numbers floating around right now. It's the writer's jobs to figure this whole thing out.

B (115:57)

Hank, I think you got to stick to. The graphs are easy.

A (116:01)

I do think it's going to be a very close vote one way or the other.

C (116:03)

No, stop. He's going to get it because he's old and it's a charity award for legacy.

A (116:08)

He had a pretty good year, too.

C (116:10)

Didn't finish first.

A (116:13)

He finished third or second. Didn't say that many times. Multiple times he said third. Okay. Cardinals super bowl was. They started two zero and Jonathan Gannon is maybe staying, but he should be fired. I don't know. It's 15 and 36. After three seasons with the Cardinals.

B (116:30)

Yeah. I had to remind myself that of several times in the last, like, month of the season. Hey, you remember the Cardinals when they were two zero?

A (116:36)

Yeah.

B (116:36)

Wasn't that entire division two. Zero at some point? That was. That felt like a long time ago.

A (116:42)

It's been over a year since they last won a division game.

B (116:45)

I think that the Cardinals super bowl is Michael Wilson. Yeah.

A (116:49)

Because.

B (116:50)

Because that guy is just a machine.

A (116:52)

Michael Wilson.

B (116:53)

He's what you hope Marvin Harrison would be.

A (116:56)

Michael Wilson until Week 11 didn't have more than four catches in a game and he ended up with a thousand receiving yards.

B (117:01)

Yeah. He's a beast.

A (117:03)

He just scored touchdowns on every single game. Felt like down the stretch.

B (117:06)

Congrats. You have Michael Wilson also. Probably not Kyler next year.

A (117:10)

Yeah. You'd look up and there would be a Cardinals like, player about to score a touch and be like, oh, was that Marvin? Nope. It was Michael Wilson again.

B (117:16)

Yeah.

A (117:16)

Or maybe Trey McBride. They have some good players.

B (117:18)

They do. They Got a couple nice pieces.

A (117:20)

Yeah. And good job. Jacobe Brissette.

B (117:22)

Yeah.

A (117:23)

Yeah. Did your job.

B (117:25)

You held it together.

A (117:26)

You made it. You scored some touchdowns.

B (117:29)

You made. You made a lot of fantasy players happy.

A (117:32)

Oh, that win against them against Cowboys Monday Night Football.

B (117:35)

That was.

A (117:36)

That was maybe their. Yeah, that was a big one. That was a big one. Okay. Hank, your game. Patriots 38, Dolphins 10. Patriots get the 2 seed. You successfully will not have to play the Bills until the division. The conference championship at the huge. At the earliest. Huge. Because you were rooting for that.

B (117:54)

I was.

A (117:55)

How you feeling?

C (117:57)

Feel good? Feel excited? No naps. Variable. Did another speech after the game. Emphasize it once again. No Naps. So it's no Naps.

A (118:04)

We're no Naps. Are you. You do not. You're not worried about the Chargers whatsoever?

C (118:10)

I mean, I said it. That I. The other thing I talked about on this podcast is when you guys were sucking off the Chargers, beating a ball. That makes no sense. And I still don't think it makes sense.

B (118:20)

Harbaugh called him that.

C (118:21)

And then you guys were just like, no, it's different. And this is a ball club. There's not. Not ball club.

B (118:25)

They weren't a ball. Every Trey Lance is not football team.

C (118:27)

Is a ball club. Every football. You know, schedule doesn't matter. Every team's a ball club. That's just how the NFL works. That's my opinion. Listen, it's the playoffs. All the teams are good. But obviously, again, when you're in the playoffs, you look for. You have to pick someone. And I would much rather play the Chargers than the Bills or the Texans. Yeah.

A (118:48)

Yeah.

B (118:49)

Okay. I thought that the. The Patriots were very impressive today, as they've been all season, I think. Playoffs. It's a new season, though.

C (118:57)

Yeah. No naps.

B (118:58)

Oh, no naps. What do you take away from variables saying no naps? What does that mean to you?

C (119:03)

It means you got to stay alert. You got to stay ready, stay focused. You can't. You can't give in. You can't. You can't lose focus is what it means to me.

B (119:11)

Have you lost focus yet?

C (119:13)

No.

B (119:13)

Since Verbal gave that speech?

C (119:14)

Not at all.

A (119:15)

No naps.

C (119:16)

I've been locked in.

B (119:17)

Locked in.

A (119:17)

Did you take any naps on vacation?

C (119:20)

Yeah, it might have been a couple. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

B (119:22)

Yeah.

A (119:23)

But no naps since you've been back, right? No naps?

B (119:30)

No naps.

A (119:31)

No naps last few days? No. Okay, great.

B (119:33)

You're right. Or lefty.

C (119:35)

Lefty.

A (119:36)

Left.

B (119:36)

That's weird, because I saw you practicing Righty.

C (119:41)

Yeah. I'm playing lefty. But I can swing clubs both ways if I want to. But if I'm. When we.

B (119:45)

In the privacy of your own home, what you do swinging is that's between you and the Lord.

C (119:50)

Yeah, I'm going both ways.

A (119:51)

Okay.

C (119:52)

But I'm playing lefty. I'm identifying as a lefty.

A (119:55)

But what everyone really needs to know about Hank is he's not napping.

C (119:58)

I'm not napping. I feel like you're about to pull up like a video of me.

A (120:00)

I don't know. I'm just. I assume you're telling the truth. You say you have not napped the last few days.

C (120:05)

What?

A (120:06)

Yeah.

C (120:06)

No.

B (120:07)

Yeah. Why are you so worried?

C (120:09)

I don't know.

B (120:11)

Would there be a video?

C (120:12)

No. The way Big Head says these things is crazy.

A (120:16)

I'm taking you at your work as you should memes.

B (120:20)

Do you think that Hank is napped?

A (120:22)

The way he's laughing, I think he might nap a little. Nap yesterday.

B (120:27)

Yesterday I got.

C (120:29)

I, I, Marie Kondo. My entire wardrobe and probably tuckered you.

A (120:32)

Out a little bit.

C (120:33)

No. Watch football. Went to sleep around 11.

A (120:37)

Sitting up or laying down when you're watching?

C (120:39)

I was standing up the whole time and sitting down. No. Laying down.

A (120:43)

No. Laying down on your couch?

C (120:44)

No.

A (120:45)

Okay. Okay. Smart.

B (120:47)

You wear any trackable fitness?

C (120:50)

No.

A (120:50)

What about Friday? You laying down at all?

C (120:53)

No. Friday I was here late grinding.

A (120:56)

Thursday. You flew back.

C (120:59)

Then I came here. I. You said since Rabel gave that speech. I fell asleep with the plate. Obviously.

A (121:07)

Yeah, that one doesn't count.

C (121:10)

I actually only fell asleep for like 20 minutes and I watch Interstellar. Probably the most awake I've been on a flight in a long time.

B (121:16)

Hank, I'd like you to start wearing a whoop or an apple watch or something so we can try alert so we can monitor your. Your naps.

C (121:22)

I got. I got a whoop. It's actually that's good for the health Health annuary, so. Okay, I'll get back on the whoop.

A (121:29)

Why don't you try to. Why don't. Your challenge this week is to try to get trick us to think you napped.

C (121:34)

I can do that.

A (121:35)

Okay. Like turn off the lights in here. Maybe a sound machine. Pretend to close your eyes. We come in, you're like, haha, I was joking. But don't fall asleep when you're doing it.

C (121:45)

Okay.

B (121:45)

Hank, as you were watching the Chargers.

C (121:47)

It seems super easy to fall asleep.

B (121:48)

Yeah.

A (121:49)

Set up exactly how a nap would be set up. But do not fall asleep. Make sure, you close your eyes because that would be part of the trick. But do not fall asleep.

C (121:58)

Okay.

B (121:59)

Do you think that maybe you're underestimating the Chargers a little bit because they had Trey Lance today?

C (122:04)

I'm not. I've said this for, for three or four weeks. Again, it's. I'm not underestimating the Chargers. I think they're a good team. I think they're a ball club in the same way that every other professional NFL team, the jets, are not a ball. I thought their defense played pretty well today. They had some fight like they, they. Trey Lance is dog.

A (122:22)

Absolutely launching dog.

C (122:25)

But their defense played well. Like I was rooting for the Chargers extremely heavily. So it's kind of the, the flip where it's like I was all in watching the Chargers from a perspective of like, trying to will a team to victory and trying to see the fight that they had. Their defense played well. His defense kept them in the game. If they had a competent, semi competent, a quarter competent quarterback, they might have had a chance to win that game. So I'm not underestimating them. But again, it's, it's matchups. It's like, I don't. I would. I like our chances against the Chargers much more than I like our chances against the Bills or Texans.

B (122:59)

Are you a little bit nervous about Shane?

C (123:01)

No.

B (123:01)

You're going head to head against Shane?

A (123:03)

What if he brings seven rings?

C (123:05)

I'm not. I'm not worried. He's already. I'm not worried about Shane. You're not worried about change?

B (123:09)

Mayor's bet for the football?

C (123:11)

Yeah.

B (123:11)

Do you want that football?

C (123:13)

Yeah.

B (123:13)

What would you do with it?

D (123:14)

He's not giving up that football.

A (123:16)

Are you? A little. The Sunday night game kind of sucks. You got a long.

C (123:20)

So much. I was so ready for Saturday night. So ready and. Yeah, I'm not actually. No, I'm not going to say that.

A (123:28)

What?

B (123:29)

You're not worried?

C (123:30)

No, I'm not. I'm not.

A (123:31)

What?

C (123:32)

I was going to say something. That's loser talk, but I, I talked to Max and I talked to you guys about how you, you can't sound like losers. This is the playoffs is where we win.

A (123:39)

What was the loser talk?

C (123:40)

I was gonna say?

D (123:41)

What did I say that sounded like loser talk?

C (123:42)

I mean, rewind the last two years of this podcast and you're like, oh.

A (123:45)

I wish we didn't even win the Super Bowl. That's true.

B (123:48)

That's fair.

C (123:49)

But today, losing Saturday night's better than.

A (123:51)

Sunday night for the podcast. Just.

C (123:55)

Yeah. For just yeah, yeah. Like you the.

B (123:59)

If there is a team that loses.

C (124:01)

Saturday night, doesn't matter how bad it is, there's then three standalone games that the world puts their focus on. And so whatever happens Saturday night is kind of somewhat in the rear view by that.

A (124:13)

It's like losing. Whereas the first.

C (124:14)

The last game, Sunday night is like the first thing people talk about.

A (124:17)

It's like losing in the first. The like, lunch slate on Thursday of March Madness. And by Friday, you're like, we were even in the tournament. Who cares, right?

B (124:27)

Yeah, but that's.

C (124:28)

That's loser talk.

B (124:28)

I'm not gonna say, should we record a. A time capsule on Saturday after the Bears game? No matter what, I'm down.

A (124:34)

Or we're gonna be here. Oh, no. Max just said no. The boys are gonna go out. I think some of the. Some of the booth boys are gonna go.

B (124:41)

Okay, that's fair.

A (124:42)

I'll keep. Don't worry. I'll wait.

D (124:45)

We can. We can. We can.

A (124:46)

No, no, no, no, no. It depends how tragic.

C (124:49)

If that happens, I can do it. Get me in the booth.

A (124:52)

Whoa. Hank. Hank. In the. Okay. Dolphins, week 14. They got back to six and seven and they're like, hey, we might do this. They didn't. But that was probably the. The moment or the beating of the Bills.

B (125:07)

Yeah, I'd say like November and early December was pretty good for Dolphins fans.

A (125:11)

Yeah.

B (125:11)

When things were on the brink, no super bowl was firing Chris Greer.

A (125:15)

Yeah, that too.

B (125:16)

That is your Super Bowl. Congratulations, big time.

A (125:18)

And Mike McDaniel will be back, so congrats to him. Okay, wrapping up. We got three.

C (125:24)

I can't believe how bad I botched that.

A (125:26)

It was. It was actually incredible. You just went.

D (125:30)

Best moment, best moment of the show.

A (125:32)

Every single door you opened was.

D (125:35)

It just got shut so quick.

A (125:36)

It wasn't even shut. It was like another clown popped out. Like, what? How did you say that? So there's three seed and their look one yard touchdowns.

C (125:52)

Oh, congrats, Matt.

A (125:56)

The Young. The Young award was a good one. He's 24. Yeah.

B (126:01)

I got.

C (126:01)

Tom Brady said I got franchise stats.

B (126:04)

Okay.

A (126:04)

Does he have them?

C (126:06)

Yeah, but it doesn't mean all the stats like this doesn't matter for MVP, but it's cool. He recorded his 13th game with 100 plus pass rating, surpassing Tom Brady for the most in single season franchise history. Crazy.

A (126:19)

All right. He.

B (126:20)

He wins a.

C (126:20)

Completion percentage is higher than Tom Brady. Like, that's the franchise record as well, which is crazy.

A (126:25)

Yeah.

B (126:26)

And we're very cool.

A (126:28)

Yeah. What do you say? To. What was. Who was the quote from about the strength of schedule?

C (126:32)

Greg Olson.

B (126:33)

Okay, yeah, nailed that one.

A (126:35)

I mean, it's the. They. They pay the other team, too.

B (126:38)

Do you see the very mean graphic that they put up on the screen of Drake made today?

A (126:42)

What's that?

B (126:42)

It was him in the kitchen. Like, he was a chef. He was cooking.

C (126:47)

What, his wife and Michael.

B (126:48)

Well, it could have been Stefan. Dig, chef, Things could get worse. But he was cooking something, and it was all cupcakes, and it was the schedule that they had.

A (126:57)

Oh, it was a fake one.

B (126:58)

It was a fake route. I thought it was a very mean graphic for them to put up about Drake May.

C (127:02)

It was a fake one.

A (127:04)

Like, it wasn't. It wasn't actually him in the kitchen. Oh, it was a. Did you tweet this?

B (127:08)

I didn't tweet because it was too mean.

A (127:09)

It was a graphic of him holding a bunch of cupcakes.

B (127:11)

I did. I did save it to my phone, though.

C (127:14)

Oh, that's so weird.

A (127:17)

What?

C (127:18)

That you would say, like, why don't you just tweet it?

B (127:20)

Well, Bloodman sent it to me, and then I. I didn't want to twist the knife, Hank, because I. You forget. I like him. I like Drake May.

C (127:28)

What folder is this in?

B (127:31)

It's not a.

C (127:32)

You, like, tie yourself up and then is Hank file.

B (127:36)

No, Bloodman.

A (127:36)

He's a hack.

B (127:37)

A file.

C (127:37)

Look, Bluntman sent me that.

B (127:40)

Guess what Bloodman just said.

C (127:42)

I lied out of the.

B (127:43)

I lied. I didn't even save it to my phone. It's just in the text message right now. And point three.

D (127:49)

You want to send it to me?

B (127:50)

Yeah, yeah, send it to the group. We can pull it up also. Okay, I'll DM it to you, Max. Dude. Hank, I don't know why you're fighting me.

D (127:58)

Or you could just tweet it. If you tweeted it, it's probably.

A (128:00)

Dude.

B (128:01)

Okay, yeah, yeah, I'll tweet it.

A (128:02)

Good.

B (128:03)

Good call.

A (128:03)

I don't think you've ever. You've hit Hank with the. Dude.

B (128:07)

What Hank doesn't understand is that I'm rooting for Drake May. I gave.

C (128:13)

You did bet on him.

B (128:14)

Listen to Throw for three. I gave him. I gave him the most improved player award.

C (128:19)

And if the Patriots win and the Bills win, then we can, as a podcast, be rooting for Drake May.

A (128:27)

What?

B (128:28)

What do you mean?

C (128:29)

Texans.

A (128:30)

Oh, Texans. Yeah.

B (128:31)

Well, I can't.

A (128:32)

I need everyone.

B (128:33)

I just can't have.

A (128:33)

I need Texans to lose Ev.

C (128:35)

But that'd be fun. We could all come together every which way.

B (128:37)

I can't have him making the Super Bowl. You understand that?

C (128:41)

That's true.

A (128:42)

I can't have the Texans making the Super Bowl.

B (128:43)

I just tweeted out.

A (128:46)

Oh, you did tweet it.

B (128:47)

Max, if you want to pull it up. Yeah.

A (128:49)

This was mean. Okay. 387, strength of schedule, easiest by any team since 1998. Rams third easiest by a 3. 13 plus win team in NFL history.

B (128:59)

In the history of the NFL. And then they've got a cupcake for every team that they played out there.

A (129:04)

You see it, Hank?

C (129:05)

I'm looking at it.

B (129:07)

Yeah, It's. It's pretty messed up.

A (129:08)

The Ravens aren't.

C (129:09)

They got the bill. Cupcake.

A (129:11)

Are the Ravens a cupcake?

C (129:12)

I'm looking at two playoff teams here.

A (129:17)

Who? The Panthers, the Texans and the beginning Bills.

B (129:21)

Yeah. Panthers are below.500.

C (129:25)

And two teams. I'm looking at four. Like two of these teams are at the top of their division.

A (129:32)

Who?

C (129:33)

The Falcons and the Bucks.

B (129:35)

And the Falcons are not.

A (129:37)

Neither of them are at the.

B (129:38)

They're second and third place.

A (129:39)

Yeah.

B (129:40)

Third place. I. I was in the impression that third place was dog tied.

C (129:44)

T2.

A (129:45)

That's not the top. They're second and third.

B (129:48)

You hate their. Wait, the Panthers, Hank, they won the division.

C (129:52)

Right?

B (129:52)

The Bucks finished second, the Falcons finished.

C (129:56)

Third, but they're all tied. They have the same record. So that's.

D (130:00)

Which is a losing record.

C (130:01)

That's top of the division.

B (130:03)

Just. They're three for the same record division.

C (130:08)

They had the same record as the team that won their division. That's to me, top of the division.

A (130:14)

Okay.

C (130:14)

Right.

A (130:15)

Nope. No.

B (130:16)

No, it's not.

A (130:17)

They do do an order of the division. Okay, that's. Yeah.

C (130:20)

That's subjective.

A (130:22)

You just said. Come on. All right, let's keep going. Broncos 19, Chargers 3. We don't really have to talk about this game. The Chargers did not try. The Broncos get the 1 seed. The Broncos. Yeah, we don't really. Trey Lance just overthrows everyone. It was bad.

B (130:40)

It was very, very bad. Nothing that the charges did on offense worked.

A (130:43)

Yep. And the Chargers are now going to go to New England and the Broncos are going to sit at home and wait for the lowest seed team. I don't know. The AFC is just wide open. I have no idea.

B (130:56)

I've never seen playoffs as wide open on both sides. Yeah. Now, what do you think Dave thinks about. About Harbaugh coming to New England?

A (131:04)

That's his guy.

B (131:05)

That's his dude.

A (131:06)

That's this guy.

C (131:09)

I don't Think he really cares about Harbaugh outside of out. Like, you leave Michigan. Who cares?

A (131:15)

Well, no, you always stay in Michigan, man. I've learned that. Except you're on Moore. He was not a Michigan man.

B (131:21)

Do you think that this. That Harbaugh looks at this matchup against Variable as Michigan, Ohio State?

C (131:26)

Yes. Oh. Oh, yeah.

A (131:28)

And I didn't even think about that.

B (131:30)

I think that that's.

C (131:30)

I think Variable is the same way, though.

B (131:32)

No, but not as much Harbaugh, like, that's. That's a dangerous spot for Harbaugh to be in.

C (131:36)

Yeah, but Har. But that's like Harbaugh is kind of. You know, he's usually used to being that, like, alpha dog in the coach matchup. He's not.

B (131:45)

What do you mean?

C (131:46)

Rabel would destroy.

B (131:48)

Oh, like in a fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (131:50)

Just everything.

A (131:51)

Did you see that career? Did you see that clip going around? That was pretty awesome. Them asking a bunch of coaches who what active head coach heads five more rushing guards and bojacks and. And all of them couldn't get it. Even John. John Harbaugh couldn't get it. And the answer is Jim Harbaugh. It was pretty awesome.

B (132:08)

That's awesome.

A (132:08)

Yeah. They all were like, I have no idea. They were going through it.

B (132:11)

They're like, did Harbaugh get it?

A (132:13)

Yeah, Harbaugh knew it.

B (132:14)

Yeah. Knew it.

A (132:16)

But yeah, he has five more rushing yards than Bo Jackson career.

B (132:19)

I. I do think that's going to add a little extra to his.

A (132:22)

I didn't even speak about that. Yeah, it is very much Michigan, Ohio State, by the way, Sean Payton joins Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin is the only coaches to lead a team to the number one seed in both the NFC and afc. Pretty cool.

B (132:33)

Very cool.

A (132:34)

Pretty cool. Okay. Chiefs. Raiders. Raiders 14. Chiefs 12 Raiders. This was a ridiculous game. Only field goals Raiders could win because didn't change their draft order at all. Pete Carroll goes out with a win. I think he goes out.

B (132:52)

I. I think so, too.

A (132:54)

Yeah. The.

B (132:55)

I don't know why you'd bring him back.

A (132:56)

The Raiders best moment of the year was week one beating the Patriots. Yep, that was it.

B (133:01)

That was mine, too.

A (133:02)

All downhill from there. Chiefs was probably beating the commanders to go 5 and 3. Week 8 because remember, they started 02 get to 5 and 3. They had Buffalo on deck. It's like, oh, here come the Chiefs. I think that's when I put a future on them. Stupid. I'm actually happy that the. The. The. Everything's going to stay the same future Every leg's gonna lose. So.

B (133:24)

Yeah.

A (133:25)

Bet on Scotty Scheffler.

B (133:26)

I was looking at that the other day. Ohio State, Kansas City, and Scotty Scheffler. We did have the Dodgers.

A (133:32)

The Dodgers, Solid.

B (133:35)

Yeah. For the Chiefs, I guess. I don't know if it was that Commander's win. I feel like it might have been either the Lions or the Ravens. They beat the Ravens. Things felt good.

A (133:46)

Yeah. But the Lions, when they were still. They were. That was to get to 500. When they beat the commander, that was like five and three. I know. It was against Marcus Mariota. You were at that game. And they had the Bills and the Broncos on deck, and it's like, hey, if they win these games, they're going to be right there in the one seed. And then they didn't win those games and everything fell apart.

B (134:06)

So. Specifically the second half of that Commander's game, because you remember in the first half, we gave the league the blueprint.

A (134:12)

Yes. Right.

B (134:12)

On how to beat the Chiefs.

A (134:13)

Yeah. And their season fell apart afterwards. Yep. Yeah.

B (134:15)

Blueprint.

A (134:16)

Okay. Last game, Bills 35, jets, three memes. You cannot be hurt by them anymore. Nope. Season's over. Those Bills uniforms were awesome. Really cool. Way to go out. Their last. Pretty. Pretty much guaranteed their last game at high mark, right?

B (134:35)

Pretty much. There is a chance.

A (134:37)

It would just have to be. The Chargers run the table table, and the Bills are on the table.

B (134:41)

Yes. They would have to meet the. They could host the AFC Championship game in Buffalo. That's probably not going to happen.

A (134:46)

Yep.

B (134:47)

But yeah, it was the. The end of an era there. And there was a great clip that came out after the game. Max, that's the one that I sent over to you. Gonna pull it up. It's Trus White listening to the Goo Goo Dolls as they. They played a tribute video.

A (135:07)

Oh, that's awesome.

B (135:08)

To the stadium closing down. He just stopped on the field to watch it.

A (135:11)

We definitely can't play it, but that is awesome. We're not gonna be able to play it.

B (135:20)

I think he's crying to. To Iris.

A (135:24)

That's great. I mean, it seemed like a cool moment to send him off. They. They killed. Those uniforms are so. Why don't they wear those all the time? Well, I think we had some uniforms today. It's like, wear them all time. Broncos, Eagles, Bills.

B (135:35)

I wish that they had had worn those uniforms in the game where Josh Allen played more than, like, the first snap.

A (135:40)

Yeah.

B (135:40)

I would like to see Josh in those uniforms a little bit more.

D (135:43)

I was pissed that they. That they wasted Kelly Greens on this.

A (135:46)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

D (135:47)

It's the same sort of thing. I guess if they pick it out before the season starts and it could be such a big game, but it's like it. You should be able to switch it.

A (135:56)

Yeah. Memes, it's over. Tank's complete. Tank is complete. The jets went the entire season without having an interception, which you were rooting for them to not get one today. Yeah. If you're going to be bad, just be bad. Right. I didn't realize that Aaron Glenn, in His career, his 13 year career in the NFL, had an interception every single year.

B (136:20)

Yeah.

A (136:21)

No, he's a good player. Yeah, yeah.

B (136:24)

Memes, I know that you're like, the jets can't hurt me anymore. It seemed like you were still a little upset online after the. The end of this game.

A (136:31)

Oh, well, people don't understand that. It was a tank.

B (136:34)

Yeah. But you, it seemed like you were angry at them.

A (136:36)

Yeah, well, it's a tank. You're just copying and pasting stats. Yeah, it's a tank.

B (136:41)

So, yeah, it's a tank. Meme says new enemy and I love it. I love it when memes get new. It's Ari Mirov. My sports update.

A (136:49)

What were you getting into with Jeff Schwartz, too? Oh, he was just calling for people's jobs, so I just turned it back on him. I was like, what if you. I call for your job right now, Jeff.

B (136:59)

Geoff.

A (137:00)

Okay, okay.

B (137:01)

Yeah. What happened with Ari? Why are you so. Why is he now on the Florio list?

A (137:05)

Now he's just copying and pasting what stats? Oh, the Garrett Wilson one. Wait, what is this? What? Okay, so Ari Miro said, Week 13, the jets beat the Falcons. Atlanta would only lose one more time the rest of the of the season. The jets would not win another game. If the result flipped in that game, Atlanta would be NFC south champs and the jets would have the number one overall pick. Memes replied, you what?

D (137:30)

This isn't even anti Jets.

B (137:32)

It's pretty anti. Yeah, that's just a stat, I think Big cat.

A (137:37)

That's what I'm saying. It's copy and paste. Other. Other people can look that up.

B (137:40)

You have to say our memes. What about this one? Ari tweeted, this is the. At my sports update guy. He said the jets were outscored 188 to 54 over their final five games of the season. All five were losses, not competitive at all. And then memes replied, thanks, Ari. This is fantastic reporting. This is why you're next up.

A (137:59)

He's Next. Florio also, we just saw sandwiched in there go up memes tweeted, what an MVP season from Stafford. Yeah. That's my boy. It can't hurt you anymore. Season is over. Jets can only hurt me playing football until September. You treated that. You're good. You're good. Good for now. Super or the best moment. There's two. One was obviously winning the first game of the season. The day that Nick Mangold sadly passed away, that. That felt like a good cathartic moment for the jets when he beat the Bengals. Yeah. And then the other one was being very competitive against the Steelers. Week one one.

B (138:39)

Yeah.

A (138:40)

Also very.

B (138:41)

Yep, that's it.

A (138:42)

I feel like you were very. You were like, this is. This team could be good.

B (138:45)

Yeah.

A (138:45)

That pass to Garrett Wilson.

B (138:46)

Yeah. What about when Aaron Glenn did that dance on the sidelines during the kick return before they ended up losing that game? That was a good moment.

A (138:53)

That was also a good. Very good moment. Yeah.

B (138:57)

Yeah.

A (138:57)

Okay. So the season's over. Season's over. But today, today, everything bounced. The jets way too draft wise. Yeah.

B (139:03)

Yeah. So. So you didn't get to pay. There were a couple times in the first quarter, I think it looked like you guys, you were getting your hands on some balls. I thought it was going to happen.

A (139:11)

Yeah. Mitch threw one directly to a guy, but he had a club hand. Well, Brady Cook did his job. Yeah. And now you just have to hope because Aaron Glenn just keeps preaching, like the process. Yeah. You just have to hope the process is worth it because you've done a lot of damage. Right, Right. A ton of damage.

B (139:33)

It would suck if the process sucked.

A (139:35)

Yeah. Yeah. But you hope, you know, they beat the hottest team in football, which was the Falcons. The.

D (139:49)

That was a mean laugh.

B (139:53)

That was a very funny thing that meme said. Football, they are memes. So you're picking second, picking second, picking.

A (140:01)

16Th and picking 33rd.

B (140:03)

You got all the picks.

A (140:04)

Oh, wow.

B (140:05)

That's a lot of draft goes through you. Is it. Is it Dante Moore? No matter what, if he declares now, would you take it. Would you take it personally if he did not declare?

A (140:16)

No. Oh, yeah. Honestly. Oh, yeah.

B (140:18)

I'd respect his decision.

A (140:19)

No, shut up.

D (140:23)

It'll be Dante Moore forever if he doesn't declare because he's 20 years old.

A (140:28)

I can see someone getting in his ear like, don't go to New York.

D (140:31)

But if he's told Ari Miro the off because he just said that, what would have happened?

A (140:36)

Dante Moore's just a kid. He could make a decision.

D (140:38)

I think Ari, Miro's just a kid.

A (140:43)

Sorry, we've been going for a while.

D (140:45)

What was that?

A (140:46)

Hank. Hank, you don't like. It's pee. It's so.

C (140:49)

Dude, drink some water.

A (140:50)

I know. We've been in here for a while. I'm sorry. I'm dehydrated. Some water.

B (140:54)

That's actually not that bad for a full. A full bottle. That's not that yellow.

A (140:59)

It's not that yellow.

B (141:00)

Yeah, that's like you're. You're at that second stage of the hydration chart.

A (141:03)

Memes. You will be so mad at Dante, I think. Wow, Hank, you're really upset about this piss.

B (141:10)

Excuse me.

C (141:11)

It grosses me out. I'm sorry.

B (141:13)

Okay. We'll grow up.

A (141:14)

Yeah, Dude. Guys, piss. Yeah, kind of. All right. That's kind of a baby.

B (141:22)

Kind of up that he's shaming you.

C (141:23)

Yeah, I'm not.

B (141:25)

Yeah, yeah. Grow up, Hank. There's piss in the bottle memes. If it's not Dante Moore, If Dante Moore breaks your heart, even though it's well within his rights, it sounds like as a. As a kid to want to continue his education. If he goes back to Oregon or, you know, anywhere goes back to school. What do you want to do? What is your process?

A (141:52)

I think you go with Bane.

B (141:54)

But what. What? I mean, for.

A (141:59)

A point, it was like, I want Desmond Bain. We're like for the Wizards.

B (142:04)

I want Ruben Bane. Ruben Bane, he's a. He's a monster. But he's not going to fall to the commies. But no, I mean for the quarterback position. If more goes back, you've had a lot of different ideas for the process.

A (142:16)

Yeah, if more goes back. Just give me the little fella. Kyler. Yeah, just give me Kyler. Well, Malik was. Nah, let's just see it. You get all defense. You get Kyler. You have him run around there.

B (142:29)

The little apple. Little apple.

A (142:31)

Okay. Okay. The Bills. I don't know what to make of the Bills. I feel like every. Everyone's. Doesn't it feel like everyone's knee jerk answer to who's going to go to the super bowl in the FC is. It's. It's the Bills. Because it's so wide open for Josh Allen.

B (142:46)

Well, yeah, they say that because Joe Burrow is not in the playoffs and Lamar is not in the playoffs and Homes is not in the playoffs.

A (142:52)

But I still don't know if I trust the Bill's defense.

B (142:55)

I don't. I. I don't really trust anything about the Bills besides Josh Allen.

A (142:59)

Yeah.

B (142:59)

And their Situation at receiver still confuses me. Yeah, James Cook is really good. So that's.

A (143:04)

If they wear those uniforms from today, I think maybe they can go to the Super Bowl. Yeah, those were the uniform. Well, no, those are the uniforms they went to the super bowl with. Yeah. Okay. That's it, boys. 20, 25 regular season in the books. Let's finish up. We're gonna. We're gonna obviously do a lot of preview this week of the playoffs, and we'll do a bunch on Friday. We'll pick all the games before we send everyone off. Who's back of the week? Roback question. Roback.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Q, Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. They just sent me a big package. Love the sweatshirts, and the joggers are awesome. Roback.com promo code, take 20 off your first purchase. Hank Roback Question. Who's back?

C (143:49)

My.

B (143:50)

Who's back? Lucas.

C (143:50)

Jalen Brown.

B (143:51)

Yeah.

A (143:52)

What'd he do?

C (143:53)

He was snubbed from Easter. Conference player of the month for December. He was statistically better than Jalen Brunson.

A (144:00)

We don't need to get done.

C (144:02)

Well, actually, no. Let me hear some of this. I don't. I don't have them.

A (144:07)

Come on.

C (144:07)

I saw it. I'm not pulling them up. I'm not pulling them up.

B (144:10)

Wait, Hank.

A (144:11)

Hank.

B (144:11)

The Celtics are in third place in the East.

A (144:14)

Give us.

B (144:14)

You're gonna give this. You're gonna give it a month? You're in third.

C (144:19)

It's player of the month. It's an individual. It's not Most valuable player.

A (144:22)

Give us your best shot at these stats. Jalen Brunson win an NBA cup.

C (144:27)

Jalen Brown is. No, Jalen Brown is. Oh, Jalen Brunson.

A (144:30)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (144:34)

Not the one seed. Not the two seed.

A (144:38)

Shut up. I just want to hear you. We might have to just give you, like, take a side of an argument.

C (144:46)

He was snubbed, but what I loved about it is he was vocal about it. He was like, this is. He went on Twitter. He went on stream. He's like, I. I should be player of the month. He wasn't, like, hiding behind it, being like, oh, you know good players. Like, I played better than Jalen Brunson this month. It should have been me.

A (145:00)

Yeah.

C (145:00)

Then he texted Joe Missoula on the flight that he wanted to guard Kawhi Leonard against Clippers. Scored 50, held Kawhi. Like, I forget what his shooting percentage was, but he. He did a good job defending Kawhi. He's holding his opponents to 39.37 field goals as the defender second among 111 players. Two way player, great season. Celtics are playing great. MVP conversations. Some are saying. I'm saying.

A (145:27)

Yeah.

C (145:28)

So Jalen Brown back. Celtics back.

B (145:31)

Very cool back.

A (145:33)

Is Jason Tatum gonna be back?

C (145:36)

I don't know.

A (145:36)

This year?

C (145:39)

I don't know. I. I feel like he's gonna want to get back. No denied.

A (145:43)

Who's your.

C (145:43)

Who's back?

A (145:44)

What's your question, pfc? You can ask me.

B (145:46)

Okay, big guy. Do you think that Jalen Brown takes things too personally sometimes?

A (145:51)

Hank, do you think Jalen Brown takes things too personally sometimes?

C (145:56)

No.

B (145:56)

Oh, okay.

A (145:57)

All right. Okay.

B (145:58)

I feel like.

A (145:59)

Yeah, Max.

D (146:02)

Who gives a about player of the month? That's my question.

C (146:06)

Answer is, Jalen Brown cares. I care.

A (146:08)

The answer is J. Brown.

C (146:10)

Clearly, if you had a player that could win player of the month, you would care too.

B (146:13)

Like, I'm just worried about his care, man.

A (146:14)

Iris.

D (146:14)

Max, he did win player of the month. Oh, actually, that is a complete lie. I have no idea.

A (146:19)

Ah, we're just go. We're so loose with the stats tonight.

B (146:23)

But Hank, just like you care about my mental health. Moving far. That's how. That's how I feel about Jaylen Brown. I feel like he's always feeling snubbed about something or wronged about something. He's got pretty good.

C (146:32)

Don't you want like your. Your players?

B (146:35)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (146:38)

Yes.

B (146:39)

Sure.

A (146:40)

Okay.

B (146:40)

Pft.

A (146:40)

Who's your. Who's back?

B (146:41)

My who's back of the week is Luke Litler. Yeah, you remember Luke Litler?

A (146:46)

Yeah.

B (146:46)

Loki, 18 years old.

A (146:48)

Yeah.

B (146:49)

He's back because he just won the darts world champion back to back as an 18 year old. This guy is the best young dart darters daughter. Darter.

A (146:59)

Yeah.

B (147:00)

The best young daughter that the world's seen in a very long time.

A (147:03)

He's the man.

B (147:03)

He's just mowing people down. Shout out, Luke Littler. Luke the nuke is what they call him. The guy's a beast. I love watching him throw.

A (147:11)

Yeah, he's awesome. Darts are the best.

B (147:14)

Get him on. Can we get him on part of my take?

A (147:16)

Yeah, we should.

B (147:17)

I want to talk to Luke Littler. I would love Hank as a. Well, I guess. Max, you used to be the darts. The dart father, right?

D (147:24)

Yep, the dart father.

B (147:25)

But you abandoned your post.

D (147:26)

Sure did.

B (147:29)

So Hank might be the dart expert.

A (147:30)

And proud of it. Yeah, sure did.

B (147:33)

Hank, what makes this guy different?

C (147:35)

100. He gets a lot of 180s.

A (147:38)

I think his name's fun to say too.

C (147:40)

180. And he comes out the.

B (147:43)

His.

C (147:43)

His walkouts.

D (147:45)

Yeah.

C (147:46)

Yeah. I am Titanic.

A (147:49)

Oh, he's that guy. I love that.

C (147:51)

I think.

A (147:51)

And he gets everyone going.

B (147:52)

Is Michael Van Gerwin. Is he gonna come back, reclaim his title?

C (147:57)

I think he's past his prime.

B (147:58)

So they said about Brady.

C (147:59)

It's a young man's game.

A (148:03)

Okay. My who's back of the week is two. One is doppelgangers because this Venezuelan guy been getting tag in that. Also he was wearing jumpsuit. January.

B (148:13)

Yeah.

A (148:13)

He had a Nike fit tech on. Who? Maduro.

B (148:17)

Maduro.

A (148:18)

I. I gotta be honest. I've opted out of pretty much all political discussion or anything that happens. I just know that I've been tagged in it and been like, this guy looks like you.

D (148:28)

There's one tweet that got like 50,000 likes of, like, a guy who I don't think really knew you that well. He was like, this is just barstool.

A (148:34)

Big cat whoop.

C (148:37)

There's a badass operation, though.

A (148:40)

Yeah.

B (148:40)

There's something about.

C (148:41)

I want the movie.

A (148:43)

The movie will be sick. Yeah.

B (148:45)

There's something about dictators always having mustaches.

A (148:47)

Yeah.

B (148:47)

I don't know what that is.

A (148:48)

I think it's because they just, you know, they can.

B (148:51)

What. What was. It was interesting.

C (148:53)

I. I didn't think about it.

A (148:54)

You have a mustache.

C (148:57)

Yeah, sure. We all do.

A (149:00)

Yeah, well.

B (149:00)

Pft. Incapable. No, it's. It's weird.

A (149:05)

I had swag. Yeah. I don't. I don't has. He's still alive.

B (149:10)

Do you think that that's a. Like a jumpsuit that was issued to him by the Delta Force guys that got him, or do you think that's what they picked him up in?

A (149:17)

I don't know.

B (149:17)

Maybe they let him change into it.

A (149:19)

Someone was like, I. I got a tweet that was like, how was your flight to New York? Like, kind of a weird, like, situation. I was like, wait, I didn't go to New York because my flight got canceled for the KFC radio. And I was like, oh, he's talking about this guy flying where he actually is in. I think he's in jail. Like, maybe a half mile from where my apartment was. In New York. In Brooklyn.

B (149:42)

Yeah, because they're trying him at. In Brooklyn, right? Sdny?

A (149:45)

Yeah, it's right there.

B (149:46)

It was a pretty sick operation. We've been. We've been using the. The full force of those planes. We get the E18 growlers, making them turn on their defenses. We got the F35s 100 miles away, locking up all the. All the migs and sues.

A (150:03)

Maduro, if you're listening to this right now, dude, Grimaldi is great. Pizza right around the corner. Hit it up.

B (150:09)

It's good.

A (150:10)

And actually, if you go to the barber shop under the Brooklyn Bridge. No, under the Manhattan Bridge, they actually might think that you're me. And I haven't been there in a while, but I used to just give them, like, 500 bucks for squares on the super bowl, and I never would check my numbers. So you could probably walk in and just be like, hey, you got numbers this year?

B (150:29)

I don't want to step out of bounds here, but we do have an office in New York, and I think Maduro and pick central will be awesome.

A (150:35)

Yes. Yes.

B (150:38)

Oh, house call.

A (150:39)

House call.

B (150:40)

Get him on house call.

A (150:41)

Shout out. House call. I need some house call merch. All right, then my other who's back is Black Monday. We're gonna get some firings. We want to predict any. So we've already had, obviously, Giants, Titans, Falcons.

B (150:52)

Yep.

A (150:53)

I feel like I'm gonna brown.

B (150:55)

Say Browns. I feel like I think Cardinals, too.

A (150:59)

And then is there gonna be something.

B (151:01)

That happens with the Ravens that would be shocking.

A (151:05)

Not. That wouldn't happen on Black Monday. That will happen later on in the week if it happens.

B (151:09)

Yeah.

A (151:11)

Oh, I think. I think Todd Bulls fired. Yeah, he should be. I. I don't actually don't know if he will be, but he should be.

B (151:18)

What about the jets memes?

A (151:20)

No, he's safe. I. Unfortunately safe. What were you gonna say?

B (151:24)

You want him gone?

A (151:25)

Zach? I was gonna say no way to actually know, but should be gone. Yeah, should be gone. Confirmed gone. We'll go anywhere else. I saw Todd. Oh, Pete Carol out for sure. I don't even know if they have to tell Pete Carol. I think they just got to be like, hey, man, we'll see you next year, and then just never. Never send him, like, when the. The like, OTAs are. Just don't. Don't tell him when, and he just won't figure it out.

B (151:50)

Yeah, that's a good plan. Memes. What was the reaction, like, to the lottery ball?

A (151:55)

Oh, all positive.

B (151:57)

Yeah.

A (151:57)

People are fired up. Yeah, Zach, some people are like, you spoiled it. I was like, you, man.

B (152:03)

How'd you spoil it?

A (152:04)

I tweeted it, but that was, like, at 5:00pm yeah, but, you know. Yeah, so you did spoil it. Sorry, Zach. Your who's back? My who's back this week is gonna be owner of New York City Diamond District. Jeweler Tracks nyc.

B (152:17)

Yeah.

D (152:18)

That video fucking rocked.

A (152:20)

You want to talk about standing on business? Business behind your namesake. Somebody tries to get over on you. He. It looked like he almost risked his life. Did you guys see the. The ambulance video afterwards? They try to choke him with the chain. He got choked out with his chain. Oh, my goodness.

B (152:34)

So what happened? I was. I was very confused by all this.

A (152:37)

So he. So Tracks is a jeweler in New York City. There's another jeweler in the, like, on that same block that was like, using his name to sell some pieces to a client that he also sells jewelry to, but he sold it. So he lied about the carrot. So it was. The bracelet was 10 karat. They told him is 14. And they also lied about the carrot of the, like, the. The diamond ranking. So, like, these are like VS1 and VS2, but they're like SI Diamonds, which are like, a lot cheaper to produce. So just basically scammed this guy and said that he was Tracks. And then Tracks pulled up like on a 5v1 mission. What was that?

B (153:11)

Was he the one or was he the five?

A (153:12)

He was the one. He was definitely the one for sure. Yeah. I'll just say this, and if. If someone spits in your face like that, you. You should be able to like, hit him with your car.

B (153:23)

I think.

A (153:23)

Yeah. Weapons. I think, yeah.

B (153:24)

There's no overreaction.

A (153:25)

That was spin on massive spit too. Really spit on them.

B (153:30)

What if it happens, like, before football game?

A (153:33)

I still think weapons.

C (153:34)

If we're spinning.

A (153:35)

Yeah, some. Some type of weaponry. Shane, are you. Shane, are you ready for Sunday night? You're gonna be on the stream.

C (153:42)

I am, yeah.

A (153:44)

Gonna have to wear the rings.

D (153:45)

I'll wear the rings.

B (153:46)

Are you. How bolted are you?

A (153:48)

I'm pretty bolted. Do you think. Are you. Do you win this game? I don't know, man. This is like, probably like the better outcomes that could have came for like, matchup wise.

B (153:58)

Okay.

C (153:59)

Like, I don't know.

A (154:00)

I. Why he's not confident. Well, our last playoff game was against the Patriots. Like, I mean, how can you. How confident can you be with this offensive line and just Greg Roman's gonna all over himself and it's just. I don't know.

B (154:15)

Hank wanted to bet the Patriots aren't.

A (154:17)

Like the Texans in terms of a defense. No, that's what I'm saying. That's why I was like, because every other team, the. The Texans, the Broncos, like, those defenses are really legit.

C (154:26)

You guys have a playoff game against the Jaguars more recently in the Patriots.

A (154:29)

It was Texans and Then the Jaguars.

B (154:31)

Well, technically, yeah, but like the Texas last year. Disregard.

A (154:36)

Okay, last year with disregard. Right.

C (154:39)

I was. Yeah, I was confused. Yeah, I just remember that. Well, I'm at like when they were up 27. Nothing.

B (154:44)

Well, what do you want me to say?

A (154:45)

I don't get in the fight, dude.

B (154:47)

I mean, they're the two seed.

A (154:48)

Like, ask Shane.

B (154:50)

You gotta charge. You gotta charge up.

A (154:52)

You gotta charge up.

C (154:53)

I am charged up against the MVT mvp. Shane.

A (154:56)

I understand that. Exactly.

B (154:58)

But like. No, but like, I'm just hoping, like.

A (155:02)

This is an inexperienced team. The Justin Herbert.

B (155:04)

This is his third playoff game.

A (155:05)

I'm just like, every time I get my hopes up for the Chargers, like, I just need Herbert to win a playoff game. Because every year it's the same where it's. Everyone's hating on Herbert and everyone's going to keep giving them shit and give Chargers fan shit until Herbert fucking does something. And we need the Chargers to win this shit. And I don't know.

D (155:22)

I. That was good. That was good.

A (155:24)

I just want something. I just get my hopes up every year. Fucking we 27 nothing lead. We fucking blow it. Justin Herbert fucking shits all over himself. Four picks of the Texans. Okay, that's bad. Going back.

B (155:38)

No, but like, I'm hoping this will pump it up.

A (155:40)

Like, bring it back.

B (155:41)

Like the last two times we've been here, it's been the most.

A (155:44)

It's been the biggest embarrassment.

B (155:46)

The p. The Patriots own this.

A (155:48)

Like the Charges don't. You're just.

D (155:51)

You're going the wrong way here. Like, you're just pumping up the Patriots.

B (155:56)

I'm trying to. I'm trying to pump us. No, no, you're not pumping up. This is the opposite of the way. No, but like, that's what we want.

A (156:04)

We want them to get their hopes.

B (156:05)

Up so that they.

A (156:07)

They think we're.

B (156:09)

But you think you're shit on them for thinking we're shit.

A (156:12)

You just said the Patriots own this shit. Yeah.

B (156:14)

So they're going to have.

D (156:15)

Then you also started with their inexperienced.

A (156:18)

But that's what I'm saying though is like I want them to. They own the shit.

D (156:21)

Or are they fucking.

B (156:22)

Let me finish. Seriously, Max.

A (156:25)

I want the. Like, I want the Patriots get their.

B (156:27)

Hopes up like they've been here before.

A (156:29)

But actually, psych. All these people have not been here before. Have been here before. Herbert's been here before.

B (156:35)

Lost. Been there. Yes. Been there, done that. But like, we're one.

A (156:39)

We're like one mistake away from those turning. Yeah. Not last year. No, we're foremost. Well, last year you got kind of pieced. Right.

B (156:50)

But that's that Jaguar season. You had a. You had a big lead.

A (156:53)

Huge. Brandon Staley. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Now I'm Bolton now. Now I talk myself.

B (156:59)

Michael Bolton.

D (157:00)

Yeah, I think you talk yourself out of it.

A (157:02)

No, I talk myself into it by.

B (157:04)

Talking out of it.

A (157:06)

Back in. Yeah, okay.

B (157:07)

Get with the program, Max. Happy birthday to Guilty as charged. The podcast. Yeah, it was her birthday today. Shane, Hank wanted to do a mayor's bet with you for the football.

A (157:19)

Yeah. Oh, oh, what bet?

B (157:21)

Like the mayor's bet. He wants to bet your football.

A (157:24)

Which actually is still my football because I gave it to you on loan. Well, that I was unawares alone. I thought it was just. Well, I mean, I could ask for it back at any time. I don't, but I could.

C (157:35)

Well, then I can't. We can't make the bet.

A (157:36)

I. I'm not.

C (157:37)

I'm not.

A (157:38)

But. But like this is a seven seat against two seed, like, you know.

C (157:43)

Yeah, you're right.

B (157:44)

Is there anything.

A (157:45)

Is there anything like that will be put up for me? Yeah.

B (157:48)

No, no.

A (157:49)

You should have to get a second football that's just like Shane's football. If you lose and give it a Shane. So he gets two footballs.

C (157:56)

I'll give him. I got some memorabilia on my desk.

B (157:58)

And not these new football. I didn't like those new football footballs.

C (158:01)

Today you want a Seattle Sounders Orca bobblehead?

B (158:05)

Oh, that sounds awesome.

C (158:06)

I don't know what that is.

A (158:08)

It's a Seattle Orca's bobblehead. What else is it like stutter?

B (158:13)

Is the orca the mascot or is it like it?

A (158:15)

Yeah, yeah.

C (158:17)

I got a Billy Strings bobblehead.

A (158:18)

Wait, the Seattle Sounders sent you stuff? The Orlando whatever sent me stuff?

C (158:22)

Yeah, I'm a Sounders guy.

A (158:23)

I'm an Orlando guy.

B (158:25)

That's our mls.

D (158:26)

Everyone knows you're an Orlando Whatevers guy.

A (158:29)

What are they? I can't remember.

C (158:32)

Pride Fox.

A (158:33)

No. Fuck City. No. Orlando City. What? What? What are they? What? Oh, they got the. The. The lion with the. Right. The Disqualification Lion. Yeah.

B (158:46)

Oh, sc.

A (158:47)

Yeah, we're the scs. Yeah, it's a Lion. And he has. I think he has. I think he has. I think he's a roster lion.

B (158:56)

Shane, can I try to help you out? Sure.

A (158:58)

I mean you could. You could do anything and it would be a help.

B (159:01)

I. I think Jerry o' Connell wants to join alliances with you also.

C (159:05)

With me, a dumbass.

B (159:06)

Yeah, I think. I think Jerry o' Connell would like to team up with you. He's kind of a Chargers fan. Is he coming to the stream too, or. Well, we don't know. We don't know.

A (159:15)

He wouldn't dare.

C (159:17)

He doesn't have the balls to show up here. Jerry o' Connell is. Is all talk, talk. I mean, that man is all talk. He was talking. It's week seven. We're in the championship.

A (159:31)

No show.

B (159:32)

I've seen that video. He does have balls.

A (159:36)

You don't want Jerry in your.

B (159:37)

In your.

A (159:38)

I don't give a.

C (159:38)

Bring it.

B (159:39)

You just got your ear fixed. You don't need him yelling at it again.

C (159:41)

I don't care.

A (159:42)

Okay. All right, Jerry, you've been called out.

B (159:45)

Bolt up. Jerry.

A (159:46)

Hank called you out. Well, he does have to go to South Africa. Africa.

B (159:49)

South Africa, that's right.

A (159:51)

For an extended period of time. That's only going to be till February.

B (159:54)

It's me.

A (159:56)

All right. But he's been cool. All right, so, memes, are you gonna stick with three? I don't think so. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. Numbers. Two. I was gonna pick two. 177. Breaking two in the draft. I'll go 48p2 seed means you realize if you did this, this has never been done. I don't think.

B (160:20)

66. I'll go nine. Back, back.

A (160:22)

I think I did it. I did it unofficially once where I did it with on our show. And before that it was the Short porch. Was. It was in. Remember Short Porch.

B (160:32)

99P8.

A (160:40)

What'd you guess?

B (160:41)

I guess nine. What if Maduro did Frank walks?

A (160:45)

Oh, that'd be sick. I can hook it up. The purple? Yeah, yeah. 82 anyone?

B (160:54)

I gotta be honest. It doesn't hit the same.

A (160:56)

No. Let's do one more. We need to get the new machine. Did you talk to. Did you text? You did?

B (161:02)

No.

C (161:02)

We'll talk to her tomorrow. She wasn't here on Friday.

A (161:04)

Some people are going on almost a year without getting it. What'd you say? That some people here are going almost a year without getting. Who?

B (161:13)

Person on the couch.

A (161:14)

Oh, Person sitting next to you. The person behind the computer. Oh.

C (161:19)

I was the first person to get this machine. I don't care. I own this machine.

B (161:22)

I've got it multiple times.

A (161:24)

79. 79. Yeah. When we get the new machine after super bowl, it's going to. It's going to hit. It's going to hit. Cuz then the first person. Oh, my God. Love you guys. It. Sam.