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NHL Playoffs With Paul Bissonnette, Chris Berman, Thunder Take Game 1, Jordon Is Engaged To Be Married, RG3 vs Ryan Clark + FAQ's
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Dan Katz
Hey, pardon my take listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. As we progress through the season, every fan knows that big wins are hard to come by and tough losses are.
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PFT Commenter
Even harder to accept.
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Dan Katz
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PFT Commenter
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Dan Katz
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Dan Katz
Today'S part of my take, We've got a twofer for the people we're talking hockey with. Our guy biz Paul Bissonnet after his Leafs lose in Game seven. Previewing the conference finals, we're going to talk some Panthers who look real good. We also have our good friend Chris Berman, the Schwarm on the show to check in with him because he just signed his new deal at ESPN and he's going to be there for 50 years. So we talk to him, we talk a little football with him, little golf. Great catching up with him. We're going to talk about the conference finals in both hockey and basketball on Tuesday night. Then when we get back into studio, we might have an engagement. Jordan has maybe said that she's engaged to Bill Belichick. We get Hank's thoughts on that. We talk about some beefs in the media world. Ryan Clark vs RG3 all because of a foul. Hot Seat Cool Throne FAQs great show coming your way and it's brought to you by our friends at DraftKings. It's the best time of year for hoops fans. Playoff drama, buzzer beaters, all the chaos we live for. And if you're done just watching and ready to actually win some cash, you got to check out pick six from DraftKings. Nobody's dropping better payouts than pick six. Hit six picks and that's your 25x you your cash. And if you beat your competition you could be looking at 500 extra bag in your pocket. It's super simple. Select your picks, track your score and go for those big time prizes. No gimmicks, just straight up fun. Pick six is live in most states like Missouri, Cali, Texas, Georgia and plenty more. So yeah, don't settle for weak payouts. Make your picks with Pick Six and let your basketball brain pay off. New to DraftKings Pick Six new customers. Toss in just $5 on your first entry and you get $50 in bonus picks instantly. Download the DraftKings Pick Six app right now and use code TAKE. That's code TAKE. Play $5 get 50 in bonus picks better payouts, bigger wins only on Pick Six from DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-G GAMBLER Help is available for problem gambling. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org in Connecticut. Must be 18 and over. Age and eligibility restrictions vary by jurisdiction. Pick Six not available everywhere, including New York and Ontario. Void were prohibited 1 per new customer bonus awarded as non withdrawable. Pick 6 bonus picks that expire in 14 days limited time offer terms@pick6.draftkings.com promos O let's go. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Download the DraftKings Pick Six app right now and use Code take. That's code take. Play $5 get 50 in bonus picks, better payouts, bigger wins only on pick six from DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, May 21, and the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to win the NBA title.
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PFT Commenter
You're probably right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Big Cat.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, yeah, the game game started. It was very funny that the game started and I think SGA had seven free throws in the I want to hear what you have to say because I agree with a lot of what you're about to say. But let me just say this first, Oklahoma City's defense is very good. They're elites. They pack the paint so well. They make you take threes. They close out on those threes. The Wolves could not hit a three to save their life. I don't know if the Wolves strategy of having their bench shoot 28 threes and hit like three of them is sustainable. Actually, I know it's not sustainable, but that is a lot of credit to the Oklahoma City Thunder defense. Their defense is so goddamn good. And Chet Holmgren, I feel like is going up another level. The way he was playing in the fourth quarter, how he impacts everything. He is so good. Their team is so good. Their defense is so good. I don't they don't have a weak link on defense. And yes, ga, the floor is yours. Pft.
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PFT Commenter
Okay, so you're right. Credit to the Thunder. I think the Thunder a good team. I think SGA is a phenomenal basketball player. I think he's an awesome basketball player. But he doesn't have to do this. He doesn't have to do it. It pisses me off watching him Play pisses me off when they show the replays. I have to watch the foul baiting like three times in a row where I have to see the same non foul three times. You force the opposing coach to decide like do I want to use a challenge right now on this or do I want to wait until later on in the game. Yeah, they would have won the game no matter what. They were the much better team tonight. But it pisses me off. Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. And I don't feel like being silent because it pisses me off watching SGA play. And Doris Burke is compromised too.
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Dan Katz
She's comp.
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PFT Commenter
She was like complimenting the foul baiting that he was doing. He just. He leans into people at the last minute and then falls down. And to his credit, he's very good at hitting these off balance shots as he's flopping. Yeah, he practices those and he's very good at it. And so you have to like take your hat off and be like, that was a really good shot that you made when your body was like completely parallel to the floor as you were falling down because you didn't get touched.
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Dan Katz
That one he made on the baseline in the fourth quarter where he was, he was literally on the floor and he. Yeah. And he got, he did get fouled in that. No, it's, it's. It's similar to the start of the playoffs when I said the same thing about Jalen Brunson. I. SGA is probably worse than Jalen Brunson, but it's. They're such good basketball players and it's so annoying to have to watch that style of basketball. And I feel like Jalen Brunson actually has kind of like not done it as much and he's been so clutch and in such tight games. But SGA is, is. Is the number one. He's taken the mantle from James Harden. He's the number one foul baiter and he's so good. And. But it's, it's. It's partially rules. Like it's gotta. Something's gotta change because. And maybe this will be. If they win the title, which I think they will because I think they're team. Maybe something changed because it is not fun to watch when he is doing the foul baiting thing and he is such a good player. He's about to win MVP and deservedly so. But it's still. You could. You can say those two things at the same time. You can say SGA is an incredible, incredible Basketball player. I don't enjoy watching it.
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Paul Bissonette
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And if you're a Thunder fan, you have to defend your guy.
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Dan Katz
I get it.
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PFT Commenter
You're going to hate what I have to say about sga. Like I'm attacking your guy. So yeah, I'll be the bad guy in this situation. But also everybody else thinks that it sucks to watch him. Yeah, everybody else that watches it, it's, it's very tough to get through. Again the, the foul where you're like, wait, what do they just call? And then two replays from different angles that you watch. And you get progressively angrier as they keep showing these replays. I don't know what they can do. Maybe it's like in hockey where yeah, you have, you've got penalties, you've got whistles, but in the playoffs you lose those whistles a little bit.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, well, you know, you know what? It's, you know what the shittiest part is? It, it's, it's, it's kind. It's very similar to like the Jalen Brunson thing where we, when it, when it happens in a bad way, it takes away from how incredible Jalen Brunson is, how clutch he is when SGA does this. It takes away from how great the Thunder are as a team just because it's aesthetically not a fun watch. And like that second half, the Thunder just suffocated The Wolves. The Wolves were just, were terrible. I don't think they had a single transition point the entire game that like I said, they, they basically were like, go ahead, shoot these threes. And they'll probably make some threes. They'll have a game where they make some threes. So they'll be at least a little drama in the series. But I don't know, the Thunders defense, there just is no hole. And I do not know how you like. It's a nightmare series for Ant. It's, it's gonna. I mean, Julius Randle got hot for a little bit there in the first half where you're like, okay, maybe you can carry him. I think if you took away Julius Randle's threes, I was looking at it. I think if you took away his three pointers, the rest of the team went 10 for 45. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. And it's, it's. Again, it's by design. They don't let you score 20 points in the paint. Was the lowest amount of points in the paint for the Timberwolves this year. The Timberwolves have to get out in transition. They have to get in the paint. They have to let Ant go downhill. And the Thunder just do not allow that because their defense is so goddamn good.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, there was absolutely no cutting to the basket, so they didn't even get the opportunity because the defense was so good. They didn't even get the opportunity to get a lot of those fouls and the n ones that Oklahoma City was getting. There were virtually no fast break points for the Timberwolves tonight either. It was. Yeah, it was a dominant performance by the Thunder for sure. And also, yes, Julius Randall. Great the first half, I think. I think the Wolves are still going to get a couple games out of this because. And he. He went down the first half, sprained his ankle again, came back very, very tough performance on his part to come back and still, like, have some of the explosiveness that he normally does. If he gets healthy in the series, I think it'll be. It'll be competitive. It's not going to be as lopsided as it was tonight, but as of tonight, the Thunder clearly the better. I mean, we spent. We spent several years being like, I wish teams would stop just taking threes and dunking. And then the Thunder do it and we're like, no, not like this.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, I. I mean, I don't want to overreact to one game, but this was the game that it felt like the Wolves would have had their best leg up because you had the Thunder playing in a game seven two days ago. They came out a little slow. Like the Wolves kind of jumped on him. But that second half, it was. Maybe it was the kisses that SGA got from his kid at halftime. Do you see that? They were. They also. I think everyone should just. We're going to be the first to report it. Breaking moves. Is Hank here?
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PFT Commenter
He was. Breaking news.
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Dan Katz
Breaking moves. Sga. Go ahead, Hank. SGA is cousins with Nikhil Alexander Walker. I don't know if you heard that. I don't know if you heard that. I don't know if you heard that. Here's the other thing. Pft. So they brought that up a million times. It was the Kershaw Stafford thing. I have a. I have a take on the. Because I agree with everything you said about sga. And it's. Again, it's just the extreme foul baiting is just not fun basketball to watch. That's just what it comes down to. And everyone knows it when they see it. And it goes game to game. It can be one game on, one game off. But when it happens. It sucks. Here's what. Also, I. I was thinking about it because I don't know if you noticed, like, it didn't feel like the Thunder crowd had a lot of juice, but I think they did. I think the ESPN just turns down their mics so much that they do them disservice because you could see moments when it was like, popping and you're like, oh, that they are loud. This is a loud crowd. So I'm not gonna. I'm. I think. I think OKC was loud. I think the espn, for some reason, they do this with hockey, too, where they turn down the crowd. It's like, I want to hear the crowd. I also, the. The booth, the Richard Jefferson, Doris Burke. There's not a lot of aura.
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PFT Commenter
I'm sorry. We're just smashing the aura button on.
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Dan Katz
Everything, but I'm smashing it. Don't we like rj? I like Doris Burke as a team. It just doesn't feel big game ish. It just. I don't know. It's like, let Mike Breen just do it himself. It just didn't feel something was off. And it was like all the pieces, the crowd being low, sga, foul baiting that booth just didn't. It didn't feel what I needed to feel for Western Conference final game one.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. And like, I. I agree. I've watched maybe I think five or six Thunder games in the regular season before the playoffs started. And I. For some reason, I don't have a problem with sga. When he does this. In the regular season, it's fine, but in the playoffs, it's like, come on, man. This really pisses me off.
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Dan Katz
It's. James Harden used to do it. I mean, there's A lot of guys have done this. This is in. A lot of guys get criticized for it. It just is what it is. Like, guys have that in their game where they just. They go to the hoop and they try to get their. Their initial. They're not trying to score as much as they're trying to get contact.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Did you see that ESPN did a horoscope reading of the NBA playoffs?
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Dan Katz
No.
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PFT Commenter
This is real deep stuff. Real deep stuff. So they predicted the Pacers and the Thunder based on everybody's horoscope signs going, oh, yeah, I.
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Dan Katz
So I might have missed that because I want to. I want to shout out our guy because. So I'm. Maybe I'll give the main booth a chance again, but I'm going to recommend it. And this is. Yeah, this is partially biased because he is Our guy. But Legler and Goldsberry were on ESPN2. Watch the second half on that. Great watch. Great.
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Paul Bissonette
Watch that out.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I would check that out. You're right. There were. There were several times in the broadcast tonight where I was just. I wanted. I wanted to. To pretend like this game was closer than it was. And a good announcing booth will do that. They'll bring some, like. No, they. They'll make it a big moment, even when it might not be this one. It felt like it was a. Yeah, I was watching the circus.
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Dan Katz
And it's. It's. I mean, it happens all the time in. In announcing booths. It's like you can tell when they're not. They don't have a ton of chemistry. Rapport. Years of rapport together. The. The Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson booth is. I know we made fun of it, but, like, they. They genuinely made each other laugh and they genuinely like to be around each other. I feel like this is more. They're just going and punching a clock, so whatever.
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Paul Bissonette
I'm.
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Dan Katz
Maybe they'll get better. But it was a weird. It was a weird, clunky game. And then it was also a game where the Thunder. It looked like it was going to be a tight game, and then the Thunder were just so much better in the second half than the Timberwolves. And it was. It was easy. Like, it was just. They. Once they. The Thunder have done this, I don't know how many times, there's. I think it's probably half of their playoff games. It feels like they've been able to empty their bench at the end of the game, like in a playoff game. And it's because they're so good, and when they hit that turbo button and their defense feeds into their offense and they get, you know, multiple stops in a row on the defensive side because this game was close. And then it just wasn't. You blinked and it wasn't. It was like, oh, yep, this game's over. They're going to cover and they're going to win by a lot.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I actually do think that the Wolves are going to win two, maybe three games. I think that that's possible. I know it doesn't feel like it after what we just watched tonight, but, I mean, crazy happens in the playoffs. So it's one game. It was dominant. The Thunder defense was really, really good. Like, when we watched game one of the Thunder and the Nuggets in the last series, we were like, oh, the Thunder are in real deep trouble here because they're not going to be able to do anything on the inside against things happen over the course of a seven game series. So it'll even out a little bit, I think. But I think if they need to get, they need to get ant healthy, that's going to be, that would be a problem if his ankle lingered on for a little bit. Max, what's the, what's the injury prognosis? I think you probably have the exact same ankle injury that Ann has.
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Max
You know, it's one day, one day of a tough walk and then you know, you're fine, you're fine. Tape it up. They probably got better painkillers than me. He'll be fine.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, you're. I mean, you're fine folks. It's the foreplay.
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Chris Berman
Guys.
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Dan Katz
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Chris Berman
And the.
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Dan Katz
Or 5:2 and the goal. The first goal that Carolina scored was. They kicked it. He kicked it in. He did like a back kick. This just reminds me this is remember this is from last year the series when their coach said after getting swept by the Panthers, I believe it was last year. Right. Memes. I think they swept him last year. I'm gonna look it up.
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PFT Commenter
I'm looking at a stat that matters here. Big cat. If you want to talk about shots on goal, if you're a Carolina Hurricanes fan, the Carolina Hurricanes had 33 shots on goal and the Florida Panthers had 20 shots on goal. Oh, you guys won the shots on goal.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, shots on goal is huge. Shots and goal is huge here. Filibuster real quick. Hank, are you here? How you doing, Hank?
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I've been here the whole time. What's up, boys?
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Dan Katz
What did you think about. What did you think about the. The Thunder game?
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Hank Lockwood
They took over. They dominated. Good second half. I was doing a stream for a majority of it. But what do you think about sga Foul baiting. Not fun to watch.
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PFT Commenter
Unethical.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Chris Berman
Where.
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Hank Lockwood
What is this?
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Dan Katz
Where.
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Hank Lockwood
Where are you going with this?
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Dan Katz
It was. I'm not going anywhere. It was two years ago.
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Hank Lockwood
Going somewhere.
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Dan Katz
When the Panthers swept the. The Hurricanes, remember? And their coach said, that's the important unfortunate part of this. People are going to look back and everyone's going to say, you got swept. That's not what happened. I watched the game. I'm there. I'm cutting the game. We're in the game. It could have been games the other way. They did get swept, but that wasn't what happened. But it feels like this might be the same thing where Hurricanes are gonna have to be like, we. I swear we didn't get swept.
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PFT Commenter
Did you see what happened at the. I think it was like 10 minutes into the third period where got to Spear took that shot from like the opposite end of the ice and tried to hit Marshawn with it.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. Cause he got. Marshawn got in a fight. They got a little brew. Haha.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. That would. At least we've got some intrigue now. We got some real bad blood between the teams.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, the Panthers bring the bad blood out of anyone. That's just what they do.
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Chris Berman
They're dirty.
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Dan Katz
But.
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PFT Commenter
But like in the. That's a compliment. When I say it about the Panthers, they're like. They're a big bunch of assholes.
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Dan Katz
That's how. Yeah, that's how. That's how playoff hockey should be. Absolutely. Hank.
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Hank Lockwood
Yes.
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Dan Katz
So we're going to kick it back to ourselves in studio and we're going to talk some Jordan and some Bill Belichick. Oh, do we want to do predictions for the Knicks Pacers here? Do we already do them?
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Paul Bissonette
Yeah, we did.
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Dan Katz
We did. I think I just said game seven.
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PFT Commenter
I'd like to change my pick, though, before it starts. I can do that, right?
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I think I said Pacers in seven. I'm gonna say Nixon seven now.
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Chris Berman
Oh.
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PFT Commenter
Because I just found out that the Pacers are changing their uniforms. They're getting off the city connects.
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Dan Katz
That was NBA League mandate.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Dan Katz
So the NBA said, you can't do that. You have to go to your core colors.
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PFT Commenter
So we've been demanding that they get off the City Connect jerseys, but now that they actually did it, I'm like, wait, they. They won a lot of playoff games wearing those alternate uniforms.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. But again, I feel like it's different that the NBA mandated it versus the Pacers doing it in free will.
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PFT Commenter
So they're going to be upset that they're not playing in the City Connect.
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Dan Katz
Right. There's nothing they can do. They. Hey, their hands are tied. The. The NBA. Correct. Move by the NBA to be like, you have to wear the real jerseys. Yeah. All right. Before we kick it ourselves, Hank, you great stream tonight.
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PFT Commenter
Thank you.
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Dan Katz
You're. Why are you nervous?
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Hank Lockwood
Because you called me and were like, I have a question. I was like, what is it? Like, I can't tell you.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Hank Lockwood
So I've been thinking about what the question could be for 20 minutes.
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Dan Katz
Okay. But why did. Why didn't I just. I could have just asked you on the.
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Hank Lockwood
Well, yeah, no, hand up. I told you. I. We signed up to do this stream, which we had to break Scotty Scheffler's Sunday round, and however many times it took us to do it was how long the stream was going to go. So I was planning on just being on a stream till 4am So I. I assumed, you know, I was not going to be able to make the. The first 10 minutes of the show. We finished early. Everyone was so happy, like, we're going to get dinner. I was like, I'm in. I literally until you texted, like, we were sitting down for dinner and you're like, send the draftings out. I was like, oh, no, I forgot it's Tuesday.
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PFT Commenter
Oh, no. I do part of my take.
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Hank Lockwood
Well, no, but, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I, like, in 90. Like, we.
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Chris Berman
We.
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Hank Lockwood
We were dialed. We had some clutch. Clutch shots to. To beat minus. We were minus 2 or minus 1. But I. If the stream was still going, I obviously was not going to be on this part of the show.
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Chris Berman
Right.
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PFT Commenter
If anybody out there is like, Hank cares more about golf than about the podcast, I didn't want to do that.
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Hank Lockwood
This is crazy.
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Dan Katz
I think, honestly, honest mistake, honest sake. But you're here now, so it doesn't matter. All good.
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I was here the whole time.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, you were here the whole time. Hank, here's my question. And maybe we can put in the video. Do you think we could put this video into the YouTube? Do you think we put this video in the YouTube?
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Hank Lockwood
No.
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Dan Katz
So for the listeners. No, go watch the video. Go watch the YouTube. See what I'm talking about? For the listeners, though.
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Hank Lockwood
This is the question.
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Dan Katz
Hank posted a video on Instagram.
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Hank Lockwood
Well, let's talk about, like, my. Like my. Let's talk about my. My. My history, though.
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Dan Katz
Okay. Okay, let me explain it. Hank has a history. He loves to post whale videos. It was. I think it goes back to a Mount Rushmore.
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah. Slow mo videos in the world.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. So every time there's a whale breaching water, Hank is posting it. I look at Hank's Instagram stories. Tonight, Hank has posted a video of whales on boats being cleaned by, like, tractor vacuums.
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PFT Commenter
They're driving the tractor over the back of the whale.
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Hank Lockwood
They're cleaning off the barnacles. It's a.
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Dan Katz
It's the fakest video I think I've ever seen in my entire life. And I really do think Hank posted it thinking it was real.
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Hank Lockwood
Did you see my next story, Hank?
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Dan Katz
Did you post it thinking it was real?
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Hank Lockwood
Did you see my next story?
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Dan Katz
I didn't. Did you post it thinking it was real? No.
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Hank Lockwood
You want me to play? I'll play. I'll play what I posted because a lot of people were confused, but I cleared it up.
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Dan Katz
Okay.
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Paul Bissonette
So can.
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Dan Katz
Can you being honest, though, be honest with the listeners? That. That was it. That was enough.
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Hank Lockwood
If the video's posted, like, it's like a beautiful, like, thinking about whales that have barnacles stuck on their backs and they're just floating through the ocean stuck with these barnacles. And then there's this group of people who get the whales onto a boat somehow and then power wash them to clear the barnacles off, Basically free them. I actually was gonna send it to pft. That's what I thought at first, but it's a. It was a. I felt so good. Happy for the whales. Yeah.
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Dan Katz
Yes.
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Hank Lockwood
At first glance, I'm not joking because we were doing the stream. I opened my phone and, like, I got scared because I had, like 10 DMS from people. Like, people I know. Like, you know when you see that number, like, when you see. It's usually like one or two or whatever. It was like 11 new messages from people being like, you idiot.
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Dan Katz
I mean, they were tractors. I'm. They were full on tractors on top of whales, power washing them.
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PFT Commenter
They were driving. There was a guy, like, sitting in a driver's seat driving the tractor up and down the back. The spine of the whale as the wheels just sitting There not moving. Like, thank you. Like, the whale knows that he's getting power washed.
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Hank Lockwood
They were making noises. They made noises like, they were like, thank you and thank you.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I agree with Hank, though.
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Dan Katz
If.
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PFT Commenter
Can you imagine how cool that video would have been if it was real?
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Dan Katz
Oh, very cool. But I just. This is. Everyone's talking about AI This, AI that new, new evolution in AI. It's going to be a problem. It's going to be a problem for the Hanks in the world. He's the one who's. Who's going to be spreading this. And we, we like, but like, who's this?
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Hank Lockwood
I didn't say it was an AI.
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PFT Commenter
I didn't say anything.
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Hank Lockwood
No, but you and you shared a cool video.
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PFT Commenter
You just, you just said right now that you thought it was real again.
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Hank Lockwood
This was like a trust tree. I posted on my story. I was like, just for the follow up, like, obviously it was AI but like, I just, I share cool whale videos and this, this fell into that category. Maybe it's not real now.
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Dan Katz
Oh, here we go.
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Hank Lockwood
Maybe it helps start like the. I just feel bad for the whales with barnacles like stuck on. Like.
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PFT Commenter
Maybe your post is going to give somebody a great idea for an invention and they can actually do this for real to the whales.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. Think about what Hank. Hank is spreading the message that, hey guys, we have the technology. Now let's start cleaning whales with tractors.
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PFT Commenter
I love it. I love it.
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Hank Lockwood
I like.
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Dan Katz
It's.
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Hank Lockwood
It's good. AI man.
- [26:41]
PFT Commenter
It's not that good.
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Dan Katz
It's not good at all.
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PFT Commenter
But I also didn't hear the whales saying thank you. I didn't hear how. How accurate the whale sounds.
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Dan Katz
Were the whales. Yeah. Power washing.
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Chris Berman
Cleaning.
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Hank Lockwood
Have you guys seen. Have you. The other one that almost got me that I had to literally do research on was the.
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Dan Katz
These guys are sliding on the back of the whale with a freaking. With a Zamboni.
- [27:05]
PFT Commenter
He's doing like Tokyo Drift on the back of the wh.
- [27:07]
Dan Katz
This guy's driving a full on John Deere. Also, the barnacles wouldn't spray.
- [27:17]
PFT Commenter
Depends on the power washer.
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Dan Katz
Oh, my God. All right. That was all I had, Hank.
- [27:22]
Hank Lockwood
I'm gonna. I'll post it tomorrow.
- [27:23]
Dan Katz
Just.
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Hank Lockwood
Just for.
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Dan Katz
Can we put it in the. Are we allowed to put it in the YouTube? I don't know. It's a. It's toss up Pug. Pug. President Pug.
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PFT Commenter
Probably fine.
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Paul Bissonette
It's AI.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Hank Lockwood
I will post on my story tomorrow. I won't. I won't give Any, Any update? Just so people listening, they know. But there was an Anaconda video. Yes. Max knows what I'm talking about. It almost got me too. It's like, it was like a 70 put. Like a. It was like the biggest anacond of all time. I was like, that's real. We're.
- [27:55]
Max
I believe all of them. I, I. There's not a video that I've ever watched that I thought was.
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Dan Katz
Did you guys see the one that Stephen Shea posted a. A month ago? It was a polar bear with what looked like a leech on its back. And it was like, it was like, it was the, the leech was bigger than the polar bear and it was people going and scraping the leech off the polar bears.
- [28:19]
Hank Lockwood
The polar bear was probably really appreciative.
- [28:22]
PFT Commenter
You thought that was real?
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Dan Katz
We gotta be better. Psa. We gotta be better. Listen, I get tricked all the time. Our boss got sentled today, so it happens. But the AI thing scares me because we can't let AI take us over.
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Paul Bissonette
I know.
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PFT Commenter
We're smarter than AI we are. Although if AI does take over, just shout out, AI I actually seriously love you. That was just a joke earlier.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we gotta tip our cap. Like, please give us a job. Please give us a job to make, like different faces into a camera and pay us $2 an hour.
- [28:55]
PFT Commenter
So the great thing is I, I don't think that they make AI that's dumb enough that could ever do part of my take. Like, AI would never be dumb enough, Don. AI would never be dumb enough to fall for an AI video of a whale.
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Dan Katz
That's true. It's true. The computer would figure it out.
- [29:11]
PFT Commenter
Program that.
- [29:12]
Dan Katz
No, you can't replicate these moments.
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Chris Berman
No.
- [29:14]
Dan Katz
Okay. All right, well, let's kick it to ourselves. Back in studio then. We got Biz and Chris Berman. Okay, before we get to the rest of the show, Game Time Football is back. The 2025 NFL schedule is out, and the only place you should be getting tickets is Game Time. The official ticketing partner, Barstool Sports. We're planning our fall schedule. Game Time is the perfect place to do it. I know the Bears go and play in Las Vegas. I think it's week three. You can go to Game Time right now with killer last minute deals, all in prices, views from your seat, and their lowest price guarantee. Game Time takes the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets. Game Time makes scoring NFL tickets faster and easier. They have exclusive discounts and you can find seats for as low as a hundred Dollars. The Game Time guarantee means you can get 100% authentic NFL tickets on time. And the for the best price. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you'll pay. We also have NBA and NHL playoffs still going on Wednesday night. Game one, Easter conference final.
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Hank Lockwood
Hank, the Garden, the Mecca.
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Dan Katz
It's going to be a pricey ticket.
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Hank Lockwood
$669 I'm seeing as the cheapest.
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Hank Lockwood
Yes.
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Dan Katz
Congratulations are in order.
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Hank Lockwood
Are they?
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Dan Katz
I think we're going to have a baby.
- [30:51]
PFT Commenter
Who?
- [30:52]
Dan Katz
Jordan and Bill Belichick. They are engaged to be married. Well, at least Jordan is saying that they are engaged to be married. I don't know if Bill knows yet.
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PFT Commenter
I don't think that Jordan would make this up, but apparently she's told at least one friend who then talked to the New York Times, maybe, or maybe without Jordan's direction, to talk to the New York Times to let the world know. Happy news. Save the date.
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Dan Katz
Save the date. We're getting married.
- [31:18]
PFT Commenter
Little May December relationship I could have.
- [31:20]
Dan Katz
I. I also imagine this going is like Jordan just takes Bill Belichick being like, hey, we got to do some shopping real quick. Let's go to. We're gonna stop at Whole Foods. I got to go to Lululemon. And then also, we're just gonna go pick out a diamond real quick.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's just a ring. Just a diamond ring. You've got. You've got several of them.
- [31:38]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Can I get one?
- [31:39]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Hank Lockwood
So, Hank, I will wait until, you know, Ms. Hudson and Mr. Belichick report this themselves. I do not believe, you know, the New York Times fake news media. This is just a report as far as I'm concerned.
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PFT Commenter
It sounds like you don't want to believe it because you don't want it to be true.
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Dan Katz
Right. It sounds like.
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PFT Commenter
Are you rooting against Bill's happiness?
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Dan Katz
No, I think everyone.
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Hank Lockwood
Everyone should be deserved, you know, in life, personal things. Everyone should be what? Like everyone's deserved the right to, you know, tell the world themselves.
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PFT Commenter
Everyone is deserved.
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Dan Katz
Everyone is deserved in life. Pft. I think it's bigger than that. I think Hank's Rooting against love as he would in general. Love.
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Hank Lockwood
Love.
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Dan Katz
No, you don't. I do, because when I. I don't.
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Hank Lockwood
Know of the fake news, but when you.
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Dan Katz
When you hear about an engagement of a young, vivacious couple that is going to plan the rest of their life together, my initial reaction is always, congratulations.
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Hank Lockwood
No, but you guys have a lot of friends, you know, that have gotten married, maybe are possibly talking about getting engaged, things of that nature. You want to hear it from them. You don't want to hear it from, you know, a source of a source being like, oh, did you hear they're going to get married.
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PFT Commenter
I know what's going on. Big cat.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [32:44]
PFT Commenter
Hank is just upset because he thinks that. That they're engaged and he didn't find out from Bill. Oh, he was expecting. He's like, I would have thought that I would have been on that text.
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Chris Berman
Yeah.
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Dan Katz
Listen, I want to make it a personal.
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Hank Lockwood
I don't think Bill knows.
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Chris Berman
I.
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Dan Katz
Well, he's going to be so excited when he finds out. Imagine that. Imagine you find out through the New York Times that you're engaged to be married. That's so cool.
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PFT Commenter
That's romantic.
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Dan Katz
Fuck. I mean, this is like the. The elite class of this country always does their wedding announcements to. Via the New York Times.
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PFT Commenter
If Bill Belichick had to find out a way that he was engaged, he would have liked to see it in the press first.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. He has always been his friend.
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PFT Commenter
It's your favorite thing, journalism and love.
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Dan Katz
So, Hank, I want to make it a pledge. I don't know how we're going to do it. I don't really have any connections, but I will not rest until we get Henry Lockwood an invite to the Jordan Bill Belichick wedding. What's a hashtag to be?
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PFT Commenter
I think at the very least, Hank should be invited to the bachelor party.
- [33:42]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, that would be fun.
- [33:44]
PFT Commenter
Great time.
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Dan Katz
What do you think it's going to be? What? How many rings he had? He has eight, so not something with nine.
- [33:51]
PFT Commenter
I think it's probably going to be just Love Story, Bill's version.
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Dan Katz
Oh, I like that. That's a great hashtag. I. You might be able to go to the. The. Oh, dude, think about this. Bill Belichick we all know listens to the show religiously. What if he's the awl who we pick for his bachelor party next year?
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Hank Lockwood
That would be sick.
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PFT Commenter
I'd like to preemptively say that that's.
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Dan Katz
The guy that would be sick with Bill. If you. We know you're listening. We will send Max to your bachelor party and. And when he has a sprained ankle, you can look at it and be like you.
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PFT Commenter
I think Bill just back out there. Bill just wouldn't tell the media about the nature of the injury. Yeah, but we'll see how he does.
- [34:30]
Dan Katz
He's got a lower body.
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PFT Commenter
We'll see it.
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Dan Katz
I'm excited for you, Hank. Why aren't you excited? I just. I think a baby's on the way.
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Hank Lockwood
I don't like this reporting.
- [34:39]
PFT Commenter
I mean, the hashtag is definitely going to be Chapel Bill.
- [34:41]
Dan Katz
Right? Yeah. Although she might have. That. She might have to sue herself, because I'm pretty sure she. She trademarked that already.
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PFT Commenter
She would love that.
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Dan Katz
There also was a report that the denigration of hard knocks and Carolina, their. Their relationship might have been because Ms. Hudson, soon to be Mrs. Belichick.
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PFT Commenter
Jordan Belichick. Jordan Belichick got a great ring to it.
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Dan Katz
I wouldn't be shocked if they do hyphenated names. Bill Hudson. Belichick.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Bill takes it.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. Yeah. Bill Hudson. Belichick. I mean, you got to think about the kids. You want the kids to also be Hudson when they.
- [35:16]
PFT Commenter
When they consummate the marriage. If he's able to get up. This could be the miracle on the Hudson.
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Dan Katz
Mm. There was a report in this Same article that Ms. Hudson demanded she be granted content approval and partial ownership of the show. She said this to NFL Films.
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PFT Commenter
Allegedly.
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Dan Katz
Allegedly. I believe. I don't believe that part. I believe the engagement. We're choosing one thing to believe from this article, it's that they're engaged.
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PFT Commenter
I think that HBO just heard that everyone was going to call it Tard Knocks, and then they backed out. I don't think this has anything to do with. With Ms. Belichick. Hudson.
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Dan Katz
This. These might. They might be the new Kardashians. They're doing a reality show. Their marriage, their wedding.
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PFT Commenter
Honestly, it's everything.
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Dan Katz
It is. It's squad goals, me and who. I don't like your attitude.
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Hank Lockwood
It's the ultimate zag for Bill Belichick. I'll say that much.
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PFT Commenter
Zag.
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Hank Lockwood
Like you think Bill's gonna go one way, the way he's won his whole life, which is straight, narrow. Stay away from the media, stay away from the drama. Focus on the team.
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PFT Commenter
Sometimes football, sometimes opposites attract. I. I do think.
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Hank Lockwood
And this is the all opposite, there's a.
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PFT Commenter
There are a lot of very rich, powerful people that get attracted to women that just completely dominate them. Maybe I'm just basing that on the show Billions with Paul Giamatti. But Bill is a control freak, and he finally met somebody that can control him, and now he's, like, just going hog wild.
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Dan Katz
He loves it.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Dan Katz
He loves being in the passenger seat for a change.
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I'm happy for that.
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Dan Katz
He's riding shotgun on the Jordan Hudson show.
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PFT Commenter
There was also a report that she was attending patriots practices in training camp and that she would wear bright red sweatpants so that Bill could see her from the sidelines.
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Dan Katz
I love that. That's love.
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PFT Commenter
And that's. That's the year that. Well, we don't have to talk about that year. What happened? That's inconsequential to the story, which is about true love, and I don't think that has anything to do with football, but apparently she was. Yeah, she was, like, staying in the team hotel with them.
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Hank Lockwood
That's normal.
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Dan Katz
That's very normal for a couple that's engaged.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Hank Lockwood
For a coach's girlfriend.
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Dan Katz
Stop with the girlfriend talk. It's fiance. It's a fiance now, though. But it's a fiance. Let's respect it.
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PFT Commenter
She's also meeting. Meeting with senators, according to this article.
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Hank Lockwood
What's wrong with that?
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Dan Katz
I don't like power.
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Hank Lockwood
Yeah, no, we don't.
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PFT Commenter
Why do you think I saw something wrong with that? I was very clear. I think it's. It's wonderful. I think we need more women speaking truth to power.
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Dan Katz
I want you to say fiance.
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Hank Lockwood
I can say the word.
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Dan Katz
I want you to say it. When it comes to Jordan and Bill.
- [37:40]
Hank Lockwood
Belichick, when they do a collab Instagram post, then I'll believe it.
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Dan Katz
Okay.
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PFT Commenter
Okay. There was also another part in the story. I didn't realize this, but when he was watching the Miss Main Pageant, when he was. Which again, very supportive fiance move to do. I like him sitting front and center.
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Dan Katz
Rooting for that's fiance goals.
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PFT Commenter
It is. It really is. And he was sitting next to her dad. I didn't realize this part, but her dad is 49 years old. Oh, so Bill is old enough to be her dad's dad.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Chris Berman
What?
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Dan Katz
That makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. I mean, he. He was. It's a little weirder that he's only 49, but he always was old enough to be her grandfather.
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PFT Commenter
Is Bill, like, when they get married and going to be a lovely wedding. I hope that you're in attendance, Hank. Is her dad going to take. Walk her down the aisle and give her away to Bill Belichick?
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Dan Katz
No, I. I think he'll be. He's still young enough to be the ring bearer.
- [38:34]
PFT Commenter
He probably could. Yeah.
- [38:35]
Dan Katz
Yeah. He'll come down and he'll be like, he and his, you know, Jordan's mom will come down with the flower. She'll be the flower girl. He'll be the ring bearer. It'll be so cute.
- [38:44]
PFT Commenter
I think it's lovely.
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Dan Katz
It is. It's beautiful. What, Max? Beautiful?
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Chris Berman
Yeah.
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Max
No, I. Do you think he asked for permission? Oh, Belichick had to.
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Dan Katz
Oh, I think the dad might have asked permission from Bill Belichick.
- [38:58]
PFT Commenter
Will you please marry my daughter?
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Dan Katz
Yeah. Will you? Are you okay with my daughter telling everyone we're engaged? You're engaged?
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PFT Commenter
This is Romeo and Juliet all over again.
- [39:05]
Dan Katz
It's.
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PFT Commenter
Except for the ending. The ending is gonna be great in this one.
- [39:08]
Dan Katz
It's beautiful. It really is.
- [39:11]
PFT Commenter
Two star crossed lovers.
- [39:12]
Hank Lockwood
I love love.
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Dan Katz
Has Belichick ever done like a big documentary about his life? I don't. I. I know he's done NFL film stuff.
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Hank Lockwood
No.
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Dan Katz
So she'll be in that.
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Hank Lockwood
Oh, I think it's going to be a documentary about her life featuring Bill.
- [39:27]
Dan Katz
Belichick through the eye. Yeah. Bill Belichick through the eyes of Jordan Hudson.
- [39:31]
PFT Commenter
Who's more famous, Bill Belichick or Jordan?
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Dan Katz
I think it's like, pretty neck and neck right now.
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PFT Commenter
Bill's marrying up, right.
- [39:37]
Dan Katz
And like, non football fans probably don't know who Bill Belichick is. Anyone, any pop culture fan knows who Jordan is.
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PFT Commenter
She's. She's the hottest thing going right now.
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Dan Katz
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, Greta. Yeah.
- [40:42]
Dan Katz
Sitting in the background.
- [40:43]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Is that RG3 and the ones.
- [40:45]
Dan Katz
Yeah, that's. So she sits in the background. She's like Glenn. Glenn Humperdick.
- [40:52]
PFT Commenter
Oh. From the Tom Green Show.
- [40:53]
Hank Lockwood
One of the most insane Podcast aesthetics I've ever seen.
- [40:56]
Dan Katz
She's quite something.
- [40:57]
PFT Commenter
She's a little more. More active than Glenn.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. But she's sitting there and then RG3 did an entire podcast basically saying that Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark, which. Why is that wrong? I don't understand why anyone would be upset about that portion. I understand there's. There's racial. Again, this story, Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese just becomes a race war instantly. But I believe that Caitlin Clark does dislike or. Sorry, Angel Reese does dislike Caitlin Clark very much.
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PFT Commenter
I kind of think that by now it goes both ways.
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Paul Bissonette
Where.
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PFT Commenter
Where Caitlyn got. She was very upset, I think rightfully so last year when she got that hard foul and Angel Reese was the first one off the bench clapping and then angel hit her in the head. I think that there's like, there's definitely some animosity between them. But yeah, I think. I think that obviously it's clear that Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark or at the very least hates what she perceives to be Caitlin Clark's audience and what they stand for.
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Dan Katz
I'm just gonna go out right and say it. She hates Caitlin Clark. I think she does. And that's fine because rivalries are good.
- [41:58]
Hank Lockwood
You gave them both True Serum. They both hate each other.
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Dan Katz
Yeah, they like. That's. That's the fun part about Angel Reese.
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Hank Lockwood
Hates Kaylin Clark more, though.
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Dan Katz
Yeah. Probably in Angel Reese because again, this goes back to what I said on Monday. The. The issue with this rivalry is Caitlin Clark is just a lot better and more entertaining of a basketball player. If Angel Reese is a power forward, it's not going to be the same as a. As like the Steph Curry of women's basketball. And Caitlin Clark, she is fun to watch. Hitting deep threes and everything. Getting rebounds is not as. As fun or appealing to. To the viewers. Not saying Andrew Reese isn't a good basketball player, but Caitlin Clark is a transcendent basketball player.
- [42:36]
PFT Commenter
I'm lightweight upset that we're taping part of my take right now because this is time that I could be using to scroll X the everything app to read more takes about Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [42:45]
PFT Commenter
And what it means about our society and all the think pieces about the wnba. Can we just take some time to appreciate the fact that we're at a point where people are now engagement farming off of the wnb.
- [42:56]
Dan Katz
Oh yeah.
- [42:56]
PFT Commenter
Which should be. That should be a massive win for the wnba.
- [43:00]
Dan Katz
Right? Big time.
- [43:01]
PFT Commenter
Like they're. They're now to a point where content about the WNBA is Leading the news cycle. But it does get, it gets absolutely exhausting reading all these takes like I am, I'm worn out from reading these takes.
- [43:13]
Dan Katz
It's exhausting. But it's also so entertaining because I'm, I don't really have a dog in this fight in that I'm just watching from the sidelines being like, yeah, yeah, that is Ray. Oh no. That is. Oh no, no. That is racist.
- [43:24]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
- [43:25]
Dan Katz
Back and forth.
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PFT Commenter
I made a list, I made a list yesterday of the best takes are the strongest, most wild takes I've seen about this because people are on their shit right now. They see this and they're like, I got to come up with a threat. I'm going to, I'm going to compare the situation. Israel, Palestine. That's next very important thread. But the best takes that I've seen, one, Caitlin should be arrested for getting a triple double.
- [43:47]
Dan Katz
Okay. Yeah, I saw that because she asked.
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PFT Commenter
Her coach to put her back in the game so she could get another rebound. And that is literally illegal.
- [43:54]
Dan Katz
That person is going to. I hope that person is sitting down when we show them a tape of Ricky Davis. Yeah, that would shock them. Rocky Davis famously throwing the ball off the opposition's hoop to try to get the 10th rebound for a triple double.
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PFT Commenter
Yep. Number two, what if Angel Reese had gotten killed on that foul? Oh, what if she got seriously injured or worse?
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Dan Katz
Now I'm going to be honest, epft, I didn't think about that. And now that I'm thinking about that, it's probably love that take.
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PFT Commenter
It's problematic.
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Dan Katz
I love that take. What if anyone died?
- [44:23]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean ever. Listen when you have hard foul, it's a hardwood court. She could have hit her head on it.
- [44:28]
Dan Katz
That's true.
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PFT Commenter
Number three, Caitlin Clark is a racist.
- [44:31]
Dan Katz
Yep.
- [44:32]
PFT Commenter
And then number four, Caitlin Clark is not racist enough. So everyone's angry at everybody. And it is, it's something to see on. I, I personally think that this is a big psyop to distract you from the fact that the Boston Celtics, they blew a 0 to 2 lead against the New York Knicks in the playoffs.
- [44:49]
Dan Katz
The, the, the other one that I have, I, I enjoy very much is people basically saying Caitlin Clark has to speak for all of her fans.
- [44:59]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Dan Katz
And say something about them. You know, you can't, you can't hate Angel Reese. She needs to stand up and, and, and do her responsibility and say, hey, fans, stop it.
- [45:11]
PFT Commenter
Which she has done in the past. She, she literally did that. I think it was after the NCAA national championship.
- [45:18]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [45:18]
PFT Commenter
She's like, don't treat her badly.
- [45:21]
Dan Katz
And Angel Reese has also done the. She did a speech, I think, last year where she was essentially like, I. I'm the villain here, and I like it. Like, I'm going to help. Help grow the game for being a villain. And then they asked her about that. But so. So back to RG3 verse, Ryan Clark. Ryan Clark then did a show. This is all very stupid, but also very funny. Ryan Clark did a show, his podcast, where he basically said that RG3 can't talk about this because he has a white wife. He has. His ex wife was white as well, is obsessed with making milk jokes. And then RG3 came over the top and said, hey, dude, don't bring my family into this. That's fair. Everyone knows in mafia and podcast wars the family stays out of it.
- [46:06]
Hank Lockwood
But if the white. If the wife is literally true.
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Dan Katz
Good point. She is in that. She's in the show. And then. That's a very good point, Hank. And then Ryan Clark. I feel like Ryan Clark does this like, maybe four or five times a year where he gets in a fight and then he does the like, well, yeah, I hope you're. I hope you're. I hope your dad dies and then walks away. He.
- [46:27]
Chris Berman
He.
- [46:28]
Dan Katz
He basically was like, yeah, hey, RG3. You were the worst teammate I ever had, both on the field and at espn. Everyone hates you and you suck at your job. Why did he just went all the way?
- [46:39]
PFT Commenter
It is funny how the podcast scene turns even like the. The hardest professional athletes into just middle school girls.
- [46:45]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Just little. Just like, dude, you're fighting. You're fighting over a foul in the wnba.
- [46:51]
PFT Commenter
Hey, Robert, guess what? You're not invited to my birthday anymore.
- [46:54]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [46:54]
PFT Commenter
So suck on that.
- [46:55]
Dan Katz
Hey, Robert, I heard. I heard in. In fifth grade, you pissed your pants during lunch and. And people called you pee pants, so.
- [47:03]
PFT Commenter
Man, it is kind of exhausting to keep up with all this. And I. I just know that I'm. I'm the big winner in this situation.
- [47:09]
Dan Katz
Oh, yeah.
- [47:10]
PFT Commenter
I just get to sit back and scroll, baby.
- [47:12]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [47:12]
PFT Commenter
Just refreshing the timeline. It is. They should just. They should play one WNBA game a week so that we can have the other six days. Just think about what that game meant.
- [47:20]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [47:21]
PFT Commenter
And discuss it.
- [47:21]
Dan Katz
Thanks. So this is what Ryan Clark said. This was the final for now. And again, he just goes. He just goes right to the, like, lowest point being like, hey, every. Every. You don't realize everyone hates you.
- [47:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [47:34]
Dan Katz
Which is such a shitty thing to do. But he said, bruh, you know what it is with me and you? I saved you the entire season of man football. I urge people to let you be you, no matter how corny, how bad a teammate you were. I had your back. This is really. This is like, hey, I don't care what everyone says about you. I think you're an okay guy. What did you do, invite someone on your show you know, I don't fool with to ask questions about me and then hit me weeks later to tell me you're going to challenge one of my takes? You're a phony, bro. One of the worst teammates I ever had, both on the field and in tv. You got to do what you got to do. I didn't attack your wife. I spoke on what you do on social media and tv. Like I said, I met your wife, and she seemed like a lovely lady that was worth more than the color of her skin. You be good, bro. It was a foul. It was a pretty common foul. And that's. That's. That's what RG3 should come back with. You'd be like, hey, dude, are we still talking about a foul?
- [48:29]
PFT Commenter
This is like heroin to me.
- [48:30]
Dan Katz
Yeah, it's. It's quite something.
- [48:32]
PFT Commenter
It's so good.
- [48:32]
Dan Katz
And. And by the way, the one thing that Ryan Clark is correct on is RG3 is corny.
- [48:38]
PFT Commenter
He is, but he'll be the first to say that. He makes him. And listen, I. I am compromised when it comes to the RG3 situation because I have no choice but to support his wife. Yeah, I think his wife is a strong, powerful woman with a great voice, and I will not ever say anything bad about her.
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Dan Katz
I am not compromised. And I would say my ruling is RG3. Yes, he is corny. Yes, it is kind of uncomfortable when he's, like. Makes a joke about, like, his wife's milk. That does kind of creep me out a little bit. But other than that, Ryan Clark is kind of a psycho and just went, like, nuclear on a take about a foul in the wnba.
- [49:15]
PFT Commenter
I think Ryan Clark gets very, very emotional. That's kind of the thing with his podcast is the. The times where I see him go mega viral. It'll be like that soft, somber music, and he'll just be, like, almost crying into the camera, talking about something, getting worked up.
- [49:28]
Dan Katz
He's.
- [49:29]
PFT Commenter
It's very in touch with his feelings.
- [49:30]
Dan Katz
It basically comes down to RG3 had a misdemeanor of being corny online, and. And Ryan Clark put him in front of a firing squad. Yeah, the. The. The. The Punishment does not m. Meet the crime here. What do you say, Hank?
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Hank Lockwood
I just.
- [49:42]
Dan Katz
More.
- [49:43]
Hank Lockwood
I. I've been thinking. You know, my biggest takeaway is just thinking about the conversation between RG3 and. And Greta. About Greta setting up the podcast.
- [49:51]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [49:52]
Hank Lockwood
You guys are podcasting trailblazers. Did you ever think, sit someone. Let's just have someone sit without a mic 10ft behind us?
- [50:03]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [50:04]
Dan Katz
Was that. Is that a joke about yourself?
- [50:09]
Hank Lockwood
But behind my whole goal.
- [50:11]
Dan Katz
Behind. You're right. Yeah. Actually, that's the crime. If RG3 really want to do a podcast, he'd put the person scrolling their phone on a couch next.
- [50:19]
PFT Commenter
Well, you guys obviously have not watched RG3's podcast. This was a clip that RG3 did in the podcast. Greta is a very important part. She does have a microphone, and she's allowed. She's allowed to voice her opinion. Hank.
- [50:30]
Hank Lockwood
That's good. That's good.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Now, if you had asked me when we started part of my take, what's the reason you're starting this podcast? I would have told you. So that one day RG3 and his wife can also do a podcast together.
- [50:39]
Dan Katz
And also one day we can do 20 minutes on Jordan Hudson marrying Bill Belichick and RG3 and Ryan Clark having a fight. That literally does not mean anything to anyone except it's very great entertainment.
- [50:53]
PFT Commenter
What I love about this entire situation, going back to the Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark dynamic, is that this is just but a small taste of how toxic sports fans can be online.
- [51:04]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [51:04]
Hank Lockwood
And the WNBA is just a mean and ugly.
- [51:07]
PFT Commenter
They're just getting a tiny nibble of the. Of what really goes on. Like the wnba. If you are. If you compare that to NBA Twitter or what's. What happens on NBA social media, it's way, way worse in the NBA.
- [51:20]
Dan Katz
Although I.
- [51:20]
PFT Commenter
But now it's like a new. A new fan base being exposed to how crazy sports fans get online. And yeah, that's kind of. That's kind of the world that we live in.
- [51:28]
Dan Katz
I think, though, the only difference is, like, NBA Twitter is fun. For the most part, people are trying to have fun, get jokes off.
- [51:35]
PFT Commenter
Not for.
- [51:35]
Dan Katz
Not for Hank. Well, Hank is specifically talking about the other night. WNBA Twitter just takes itself way too seriously. It just can't. It can't. Every. Every foul can't be. Can't be. The most egregious thing that. That's happened in race relations in the.
- [51:51]
Hank Lockwood
World where I get lost is kind of like the white boy Rick. Like when, like, NBA Twitter is absolutely ruthless to every Single player.
- [51:58]
Dan Katz
Right.
- [51:59]
Hank Lockwood
Making fun of them.
- [52:00]
Dan Katz
Right.
- [52:00]
Hank Lockwood
Like every single night's a meme. Doesn't matter how good they are. Jokes are made at their expense. So, like, the angel people getting mad about a clip where Angel Reese is dribbling the ball at her face.
- [52:10]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [52:10]
Hank Lockwood
And kind of like poking fun at her.
- [52:12]
Dan Katz
That's.
- [52:12]
Hank Lockwood
That's what sports Twitter is.
- [52:14]
Dan Katz
That's where NBA Twitter. Yeah. Like, they. They have a. A quiet agreement that you can just be mean to everyone and no one's going to really take it too personal.
- [52:24]
PFT Commenter
I saw. I saw Jaylen Brown's face as Osama bin Laden the other day.
- [52:28]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [52:28]
PFT Commenter
Now if I'm Angel Reese, some advice for both angel and Caitlin. Just don't be on social media, because I would imagine that most of the really, really bad shit that you deal with is from people that are DMing you from Anonymous accounts, probably saying some really, really bad stuff. And then you take reading all that into the real world, and then you just assume the worst about your opponent's fans and all this shit. I would just log off, have somebody else run your social media, do your ad deals, do all that shit for you, but don't. I would stay off.
- [52:59]
Dan Katz
I'd imagine they are.
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Hank Lockwood
That's also where I lose the angel argument a little bit too, because I do think. Which is rightfully so and not a bad thing at all. Like, it's good if she kind of flip flops between. Like, I'm a villain.
- [53:10]
Dan Katz
Right.
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Hank Lockwood
I have a podcast. I do all these magazine shoots. Like, I'm. I'm putting myself out there. But then she kind of takes the other side of, like, whoa, whoa. I'm just a basketball player trying to do my job.
- [53:20]
Dan Katz
Like, she doesn't fully want to get embrace, like the Bill Lambert role.
- [53:24]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [53:25]
PFT Commenter
I think you have to be. That has to be in you to begin with.
- [53:28]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [53:28]
PFT Commenter
You can't. Like LeBron said.
- [53:29]
Dan Katz
I think it is.
- [53:30]
PFT Commenter
I don't think so because, like, remember when LeBron went even like the ring?
- [53:33]
Hank Lockwood
Like, that was funny. Original. That was good, though. Like, she's a good heel and she knows that, and she says that sometimes. But then we'll also play victim.
- [53:42]
PFT Commenter
See, yeah, you can't. You can't need. You can't hate to be hated and love to be loved at the same time.
- [53:48]
Dan Katz
But that's also the problem with the. This entire rivalry again, is that I think that. I think she likes to be the villain in it until they play. And it's like, oh, shit, Caitlin Clark's really good. This kind of sucks.
- [54:00]
PFT Commenter
I think she likes to say I'll be the villain because it makes her feel good in the moment, but she really does not want to be the villain.
- [54:06]
Dan Katz
I also think that if the sky beat the Fever in a playoff series, she would be the villain. Yeah. She would go back to be villain. Like, you can't see. I. I agree with Hank that, like, you can't pick and choose when you're on top. You can't be the villain. And then when you're on. When you're losing, be like, oh, no, I don't want this.
- [54:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you can't have both. You can't. You can't.
- [54:24]
Hank Lockwood
I mean, honestly, dream on. It's kind of like dream.
- [54:26]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [54:26]
Hank Lockwood
Draymond does something similar.
- [54:27]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [54:28]
PFT Commenter
All I know is that they should just play these. These games every single week. There should be a Sky Fever game every Saturday, and they're playing in. In Chicago next. Love it. We should feel like we should go to that one.
- [54:40]
Dan Katz
Go.
- [54:41]
PFT Commenter
Just supporting both sides.
- [54:42]
Dan Katz
What is the date?
- [54:44]
PFT Commenter
I forget it's on a Saturday, though.
- [54:46]
Dan Katz
All right, I'm out. But I'll watch the highlights on Twitter when people have.
- [54:52]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, I don't think I was ever in.
- [54:54]
PFT Commenter
I think I'm gonna go just.
- [54:55]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Hank was not in.
- [54:56]
PFT Commenter
Just as a peacemaker.
- [54:57]
Dan Katz
June 7th. Is that. Is that a Saturday? 7:00pm yeah. Nope.
- [55:01]
Hank Lockwood
Definitely.
- [55:02]
Dan Katz
Okay.
- [55:02]
PFT Commenter
You know those. You know, the.
- [55:03]
Dan Katz
I'm gonna take a rain check.
- [55:04]
PFT Commenter
You know, the. Wait, what.
- [55:07]
Hank Lockwood
What is it in Rosemont?
- [55:09]
PFT Commenter
No, it's at the United Center.
- [55:10]
Dan Katz
No, it's.
- [55:11]
PFT Commenter
No, they play that game at the United.
- [55:12]
Dan Katz
Oh, they moved that game to the United States.
- [55:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. The Sky Fever. You better believe it.
- [55:16]
Dan Katz
Oh, that's awesome.
- [55:16]
Hank Lockwood
I thought they played their games.
- [55:17]
Dan Katz
Caitlin Clark effect.
- [55:18]
PFT Commenter
I might.
- [55:19]
Dan Katz
And Angel Reese effects.
- [55:20]
PFT Commenter
I might go to the game. You know the guys that wear the orange around Chicago, and they try to neutralize situations.
- [55:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [55:25]
PFT Commenter
You know them. Yeah, I think I might do that at this game just to try to calm everybody down.
- [55:30]
Dan Katz
I forgot they were moving a lot of these Caitlin Clark games to bigger places. What are you gonna say, Hank?
- [55:36]
Hank Lockwood
I'm still out, but United center makes it a little more appealing.
- [55:39]
Dan Katz
Well, wintrust is downtown, too.
- [55:40]
Hank Lockwood
They play it. Oh, yeah, they.
- [55:42]
Dan Katz
They played the. They played their games at Wind Trust because of Caitlin Clark, they're playing it at United Center. Nice. I think they did the same thing for some other games. I can't remember where. I think maybe Santa is San Antonio. Have a team.
- [55:59]
PFT Commenter
I don't think so Sparks. No, no. Dallas Wings.
- [56:03]
Dan Katz
You know what? We're just Sky Fever, guys.
- [56:05]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, just let me know when this game is happening.
- [56:07]
Dan Katz
We're sky.
- [56:08]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah. The stars.
- [56:09]
Dan Katz
No, that's. This. Oh, the stars.
- [56:11]
PFT Commenter
The San Antonio Stars.
- [56:13]
Dan Katz
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they moved that one to the Alamo Dome.
- [56:16]
PFT Commenter
Oh, they do have a team.
- [56:17]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Yeah, we knew. We know our wnba. Come on, guys.
- [56:20]
PFT Commenter
All I know is that national sports.
- [56:22]
Dan Katz
Podcast for a reason.
- [56:24]
PFT Commenter
It's. This is all a big distraction. And the mystics are 2. 0, and nobody's talking about that. They're all talking about these. These other teams.
- [56:31]
Dan Katz
All right, let's do hot seat. Cool throw, and then we'll get to our interviews. We got. Oh, wait, no, no.
- [56:36]
Max
San Antonio Stars were a professional basketball.
- [56:38]
Dan Katz
Okay, so we listen hand up. We. We're fans. We have nostalgia brain with the WNBA.
- [56:45]
PFT Commenter
Bring back the stars.
- [56:46]
Dan Katz
Yeah, we were bigger fans 10 years ago, if we're going to be honest.
- [56:48]
PFT Commenter
That's all I'm saying, is bring the stars back.
- [56:50]
Dan Katz
So they didn't move the game to the Alamo, too? They moved one of the games. I don't know where one of the games. So find the game. They moved so I could get. So I can take a half a point. One of the games. They moved to a bigger arena. It's similar to the wind Trust. The United center.
- [57:11]
PFT Commenter
You're talking about. They moved at some point in WNB history, they moved a game in San Antonio from.
- [57:16]
Dan Katz
No, no, no, no. I'm saying they move. They've been moving games from Caitlin Clark to bigger arenas. So that's why the. Oh, okay. So Dallas. So I was right. Texas.
- [57:26]
Paul Bissonette
Yeah.
- [57:26]
Dan Katz
They moved it from. They. They moved it to a bigger arena. That's the Caitlin Clark effect. Is that like when they go to these cities, they've been moving the venue. Yeah, I'm gonna win Trust United center to a bigger venue because the tickets are so crazy. All right, let's do hot seat. Cool Throne. It is brought to you by our friends at Body Armor. This segment is brought to you by Body Armor Sports drink. Body armor has great tasting flavors like strawberry banana and orange mango with no artificial dyes. Flavors or sweeten in a bold new look with the same great taste. Get your body armor today at Walmart or a local grocery store near you. Body armor. Choose better. We love body armor. They got the new look bottles. Strawberry banana, my absolute favorite. Go get it today. Body armor. Choose better. Bold new look with same great taste. Get your body armor today at Walmart or a local grocery Store near you, Hank. Hot seat. Cool.
- [58:14]
Hank Lockwood
Tomorrow the hot seat is Juan Soto.
- [58:17]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [58:19]
Hank Lockwood
Probably might be regretting the, the crosstown move Yankees to Mets. And because I do think this is like a lot of the reports I've seen are from Yankees kind of biased media.
- [58:30]
Dan Katz
Tommy Smokes.
- [58:30]
Hank Lockwood
Tommy Smokes Michael K. Well, it's like Tommy Smokes John Boy. Michael K. Yeah. Are the ones, you know, pushing this story forward. Michael K. Said people in the nose say Juan Soto wanted to be a Yankee. He chose the Yankees, but his family wanted him to be a Met, so he chose the Met.
- [58:46]
Dan Katz
This feels like cope from the Yankees.
- [58:49]
Hank Lockwood
And, but the private jet one there, what was that? He's taking private jets instead of traveling with the team.
- [58:55]
Dan Katz
Good for him.
- [58:56]
PFT Commenter
How, how common is that?
- [58:58]
Dan Katz
Can't be common. Jeff Passon denounced this.
- [59:01]
Hank Lockwood
Oh, okay, so that was from John Boy, that one.
- [59:03]
Dan Katz
Okay, so that, that.
- [59:05]
Hank Lockwood
All right.
- [59:05]
PFT Commenter
That I'm thinking he might have taken a private jet at some point for some specific reason.
- [59:09]
Dan Katz
Like there could, yeah, there could be a, A, a series in the middle of summer where he's bringing his family.
- [59:16]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [59:16]
Dan Katz
He's like, oh yeah, I'll just hop on with them. There's no way he's taking a private jet for every. That's just a waste of money.
- [59:22]
PFT Commenter
Or he's got like a family event that he's, he has to make it back for. So he takes a slightly earlier flight. I. This is big time coke by Yankees fans. And I get it. You're not used to losing out on the big fish and especially not losing out on a big fish that goes just right across town. So listen, you gotta, you gotta get through it somehow. So if you just want to tell yourself stories, that, that's fine.
- [59:41]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [59:42]
PFT Commenter
Deal with it.
- [59:44]
Hank Lockwood
But Mets fans, I mean memes. You, you, you tell us Mets fans aren't happy with them either.
- [59:49]
Dan Katz
Oh, why is he hitting 150? No. Frank said. Oh, he doesn't look happy. He didn't run first base against Yankees.
- [59:57]
PFT Commenter
That's the thing. It's like there's one play where he didn't run as hard as he possibly could to first base and now they're.
- [60:01]
Dan Katz
I personally don't give a fuck. Yeah. On the team for however many years. So it doesn't matter.
- [60:06]
PFT Commenter
Guess what memes. He's awesome at baseball.
- [60:07]
Dan Katz
I got a bad take that I'm going to say out loud. If someone paid me $700 million to play baseball, I would sometime to first base because I would probably just be distracted and be like, why am I Running first base. I have $700 million. That was an out.
- [60:22]
PFT Commenter
That's the thing is like if you reach that point where you get that massive contract. You won.
- [60:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah, right.
- [60:26]
PFT Commenter
You won.
- [60:26]
Dan Katz
Be hard to get motivated. I'll just be totally honest. It's human nature.
- [60:29]
PFT Commenter
You're one and O lifetime.
- [60:31]
Dan Katz
Right.
- [60:31]
PFT Commenter
And you're going to retire with that record.
- [60:33]
Dan Katz
Like imagine striking out with a $700 million contract. Can you be that bummed?
- [60:38]
PFT Commenter
No, I don't think.
- [60:40]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, but have you seen his projected numbers for his 15 years?
- [60:43]
PFT Commenter
Tell me about the projected numbers.
- [60:46]
Hank Lockwood
0.050 average. This is in the whole 15 years. 34 home runs, 120 RBI in 2087 double plays.
- [60:56]
Chris Berman
Wow.
- [60:57]
PFT Commenter
Would that be a record?
- [61:00]
Dan Katz
Baseball reference.
- [61:02]
Hank Lockwood
This was Frank the Tank Fleming.
- [61:04]
Dan Katz
Oh, okay.
- [61:06]
PFT Commenter
Over almost 3, 000 double plays.
- [61:08]
Dan Katz
Wow. And only 34 home runs.
- [61:10]
Hank Lockwood
Two home runs a year for.
- [61:11]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Oh.
- [61:12]
PFT Commenter
I mean that probably means that. Where's he hitting in the order? Fourth probably.
- [61:16]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [61:17]
PFT Commenter
That means that whoever's hitting ahead of him is going to be basically like the hit king.
- [61:21]
Hank Lockwood
He'll get 370 caper induced double play.
- [61:24]
Dan Katz
By the way, speaking of home runs, Kyle schwarber hit his 16th. He's one back from Shohei. He should maybe be MVP.
- [61:30]
Hank Lockwood
Cubs are good, right? I mean themselves.
- [61:37]
PFT Commenter
With the San Antonio stars.
- [61:40]
Hank Lockwood
I'm an idiot.
- [61:43]
Dan Katz
No, our guy Kyle Stowers who if you didn't listen to this show on Monday, Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips were awesome on the show.
- [61:49]
Paul Bissonette
I.
- [61:49]
Dan Katz
It's a little different. We obviously don't have a ton of baseball guests but they were just cool dudes. He had a. A big hit and beat the Cubs on Monday night. That sucked. Kyle Tucker maybe not running out to get a final out, maybe not running as hard as he can but he actually doesn't have an excuse because he hasn't gotten the 500 million dollar contract.
- [62:09]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, he's got no quit.
- [62:11]
Dan Katz
He might have couldn't gotten it. I. It became one of my favorite things that we do as sports fans, especially online. I don't know if you could pull up the. The Kyle Tucker. He. He might have been able to get to it. He's not the fastest guy but he. There were two outs and there was a ball hit to him and it went past him and then the. The Marlins ended up winning in extra innings or. Sorry, in. In. They walked it off and just having a bunch of people being like I would have caught that. Like me, I run a lot harder and I get that ball.
- [62:43]
PFT Commenter
I Do love that discourse, though, about Juan Soto. Like, I wish that he would have run harder to first base on this. Therefore, he's not worth the money that we paid him. Yes, one hit. Ideally, yeah, you'd like your players, but yeah, to your point, Big Cat, if you won the lottery, would you. Would you still take the trash out every single day?
- [62:59]
Dan Katz
I'll tell you what, if I won the lottery, I would podcast. And then, like, if you guys brought up a story I hadn't seen, I'd just be like, I don't care. Yeah, that would be me not running to first base.
- [63:07]
PFT Commenter
I just refreshed my bank account. Like, ab. In a team meeting.
- [63:10]
Dan Katz
Yes. Like, what are you saying, Hank? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm looking at all the zeros. You, Max is just in a torture chamber.
- [63:17]
Max
Finding, like, baseball highlights are so hard.
- [63:19]
Dan Katz
Well, if they're not.
- [63:20]
Max
If they're not home.
- [63:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [63:21]
Dan Katz
Actually, everything app doesn't exactly have the best search bar anymore, so. It is what it is. All right, Hank, what's your cool throne?
- [63:32]
Hank Lockwood
Cool throne is the All American Rejects.
- [63:34]
Dan Katz
Oh, yeah, I saw this.
- [63:36]
PFT Commenter
This is.
- [63:36]
Hank Lockwood
This is very cool. They're doing a. A backyard tour.
- [63:40]
PFT Commenter
Oh, that's awesome.
- [63:41]
Hank Lockwood
Across the Midwest. Yeah, they're just showing up in people's backyards. I think they're playing.
- [63:45]
Dan Katz
They have, like, a sign up sheet that you can book them for a backyard.
- [63:50]
Hank Lockwood
They were in Chicago.
- [63:51]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Yeah. The other night, right?
- [63:53]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [63:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's awesome.
- [63:55]
Dan Katz
Like, they just were at a house party, which is one of the coolest things. This is something, if I were a very famous musician, I would do all the time. Like, remember when we were in Atlanta for the super bowl and went to the Northside Tavern? Great fucking bar. Shout out. Northside Tavern. Everyone was like, oh, you should have been here last night. At 2 in the morning, Dave Grohl came up and played for like, an hour.
- [64:15]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I would do that.
- [64:16]
Dan Katz
That's so cool.
- [64:16]
PFT Commenter
It's like the. I would get dressed up, though, as an old guy, like Uncle Drew.
- [64:20]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [64:20]
PFT Commenter
I would just be like, can you believe this old man got up there and then sang a song and sounded exactly like Good Charlotte.
- [64:26]
Dan Katz
Remember?
- [64:27]
PFT Commenter
And they take the mask off. It's me, Benji.
- [64:29]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Jewel did that. I remember that video. She dressed. She, like, put on prosthetics and did a karaoke night. It was like, holy, this woman's incredible.
- [64:36]
PFT Commenter
This is very cool. I like the All American Rejects. Good for them.
- [64:38]
Dan Katz
Yeah, very cool.
- [64:40]
Hank Lockwood
Cool drone.
- [64:41]
Dan Katz
Okay. Pft.
- [64:42]
PFT Commenter
My hot seat is the tush push again. So They've. They've officially put this rule out there. They're gonna be voting on it this week about whether or not the Tush Push should be banned. And it's. All the reporting on it makes it seem like it has a possibility of getting banned now.
- [64:58]
Dan Katz
Breaking moves, breaking news. Sorry. Breaking news is huge breaking news. Glass bangers out of jail. Glass bangers out of jail. I talked to you about biz, but that's pretty big. Oh, you. You're holding the cow back in case it was Jordan. Yeah, that's. That's illegal. You have to do breaking.
- [65:19]
Hank Lockwood
I didn't know if you. I could have been satirical.
- [65:21]
Dan Katz
Yeah, he's. He's out of jail. He spread the word. LFG stars. Bang. He's tweeted. So.
- [65:28]
PFT Commenter
So how did that come across, your timeline?
- [65:31]
Dan Katz
Liam Blutman sent it to me.
- [65:32]
PFT Commenter
Oh, sick.
- [65:33]
Dan Katz
Yeah, he. He just said, out of jail.
- [65:36]
PFT Commenter
Okay, well, that's.
- [65:37]
Dan Katz
Yeah, that's.
- [65:38]
PFT Commenter
That's going to affect how I bet on that series.
- [65:39]
Dan Katz
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Okay. Sorry. Tush push.
- [65:43]
PFT Commenter
So the packers proposed the rule change. We know that. That way there's no owner that everybody can get mad at. You just get mad at the entire city of Green bay. And Matt LaFleur has to go on podcast and take the. When it's not him that's proposing the rule change and be called a. Yeah, it does sound like. It does sound like it might get banned this year. And again, I'm opposed to banning the Tush Push. Just figure out a way to stop it. But also, if they do ban it, I'll be pumped because I was on the side saying, don't ban it, but now I don't have to deal with it.
- [66:10]
Dan Katz
Correct.
- [66:11]
PFT Commenter
So I'm playing both sides as a podcast.
- [66:13]
Dan Katz
We do not want the Tush Wish banned.
- [66:15]
PFT Commenter
It's very unfair.
- [66:16]
Dan Katz
But if it got banned, I will not get in front of it.
- [66:19]
PFT Commenter
It's very unfair to ban it. You can't ban a play because one team is way better at it than every other team. Okay. But if it does get banned, that's awesome.
- [66:26]
Dan Katz
Congrats, by the way, on Nick Sirianni's new contract. Max, you wanted him fired how many times in his tenure at the Philadelphia.
- [66:32]
Max
Zero times.
- [66:33]
Dan Katz
That's a lie.
- [66:34]
Max
I don't know what you're talking about. I never said that.
- [66:36]
PFT Commenter
I think. I think the real issue that they should deal with with the Tush Push. Don't ban it. Just let the defense do the exact same thing where you can throw guys at the play.
- [66:45]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [66:46]
PFT Commenter
Fight fire with fire.
- [66:47]
Max
Yeah, I think they do that.
- [66:49]
PFT Commenter
I don't think that you're allowed to.
- [66:51]
Dan Katz
Well, you're allowed to push.
- [66:52]
Max
Yeah, you can.
- [66:53]
Dan Katz
He's saying throw guys over the line.
- [66:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. What are the rules on defense?
- [66:58]
Max
Like, lift them up and throw.
- [67:00]
PFT Commenter
Well, can you. Can you propel a player on defense? Can you grab a player on defense and then push the ball?
- [67:05]
Dan Katz
You can reverse Mike Leach, like getting a. A shorter person and launching them over the line.
- [67:11]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [67:11]
Max
I don't understand why they keep saying player safety when no players ever gotten hurt from the play.
- [67:17]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. No, it makes no sense. They're trying to scare you.
- [67:20]
Max
No. No player has ever gotten hurt.
- [67:22]
PFT Commenter
Chris Jones.
- [67:23]
Dan Katz
Max, let me just follow what you're saying real quick. Are you saying that the NFL doesn't care about player safety?
- [67:31]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [67:31]
Max
No.
- [67:31]
Dan Katz
What?
- [67:32]
Max
But they're.
- [67:33]
Dan Katz
Are you serious?
- [67:34]
Max
It's just. They're just whiny babies.
- [67:37]
Dan Katz
Max. The NFL does not care about player safety. They just say players. It's basically the all due respect of the NFL where they can say whatever they want. Afterwards. They say player safety, and then they're like, yeah, you know what? Let's send a team to fucking Spain and play on weird grass and then have them come back and play a game six days later. But we care about player safety.
- [67:58]
Max
That's fair. That's fair.
- [68:00]
Dan Katz
That's the whole. That's the whole thing they do.
- [68:02]
PFT Commenter
Also, defenses are. Maybe this is just kicking plays. It might be on. They're not allowed to push or pull their own teammates is what I'm reading in the rulebook right now. Might just be on kicking plays, though.
- [68:13]
Dan Katz
Pft. The other rule that is up for grabs this week, which I am going to be upset about, is they are proposing to do playoff seating one through seven, strictly based on record. Automatically get in if you are a wild card or if you win the division.
- [68:30]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [68:31]
Dan Katz
But they're going to do it on record. I hate this.
- [68:34]
PFT Commenter
I don't like it either, because it's fun when you have a team that's below.500 that somehow wins a playoff game.
- [68:38]
Dan Katz
It also doesn't make sense if you. If you're going to have like the division winner should get a home playoff game. That should be like. Some years. It sucks. Last year, this is all reaction to one year where the NFC north was really good and the packers and Vikings had really good records and they had to go all the way down to the wild card. They're making the argument because they did a whole slideshow. I read this article that they essentially showed that week 17 and 18 will have less starters sitting because they'll be just more up for grabs. Like last year, the Eagles could have gone down to the three seed. The Texans were locked into the four seed last year. They could have gone all the way down the seven. So their argument is you have to play the whole season. I get that part. I just think that if you're gonna play a lopsided schedule where you play six teams in your division, you should reward the winner of that division.
- [69:28]
PFT Commenter
I agree.
- [69:28]
Dan Katz
If, if you're not going to then get. They get rid of divisions, which would also suck.
- [69:33]
PFT Commenter
If you're in a great division, then yes, absolutely. If it means more if you're able to beat that division, get it puts more on the line in those games.
- [69:40]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [69:41]
PFT Commenter
So I, I agree with this. I think it's reactionary to like this one thing that happened that could have blown up in their faces, but didn't even really blow up in their faces that much.
- [69:48]
Dan Katz
Yeah. I'm just scared that once because my, my knee jerk reaction was like, this is stupid.
- [69:53]
Chris Berman
They're.
- [69:53]
Dan Katz
They're being re. And then I saw that someone put together a slideshow about the ratings and week 17 and 18 starters. And that makes me nervous because if there's one thing the NFL will do is change everything so that more people watch.
- [70:07]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
- [70:07]
Dan Katz
So that's where I'm scared that this could pass.
- [70:10]
PFT Commenter
They're also voting on whether or not to allow players to play in the Olympics in football.
- [70:15]
Hank Lockwood
I think that passed.
- [70:16]
PFT Commenter
Officially passed. Okay, it passed. So you can make the rule saying that the players are allowed to play in the Olympics, but I don't know if you've seen the flag football players that we already have playing flag football.
- [70:26]
Dan Katz
Oh, yeah.
- [70:27]
PFT Commenter
And I don't know that Patrick Mahomes would be an upgrade on what we got at quarterback. No, we got that guy who's like five eight, right. 170 pounds, who throws it.
- [70:34]
Dan Katz
So weird. But he said he's better than Patrick Mahomes. Like football specialist Patrick Mahomes wouldn't understand this game. Pretty sure Patrick Mahomes would be able to be good at flag football.
- [70:43]
PFT Commenter
No, not better than this guy.
- [70:45]
Dan Katz
It's true.
- [70:45]
PFT Commenter
This guy is. He's dialed in.
- [70:47]
Dan Katz
He doesn't. Patrick Holmes doesn't understand the rules of flag football.
- [70:49]
PFT Commenter
It's so arrogant for NFL players to think that they can just go in and dominate football.
- [70:54]
Dan Katz
Could you imagine Lamar trying to get Lamar Jackson's flag?
- [70:57]
PFT Commenter
It would be so funny. Oh, I Can't wait for the schedule release video that we do for the US Flag football team. Just roasting every other country.
- [71:03]
Dan Katz
I'm just imagining, like, a Croatian dude trying to grab the flag of Lamar Jackson. Yeah, that's that we. He would never. He would never be down.
- [71:14]
PFT Commenter
Or Tyreek Hill.
- [71:15]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Oh, man. All right. You're cool throne.
- [71:18]
PFT Commenter
My cool throne is. I got two. One is friendship. Oh, friendship's on the cool throne. As we discussed a couple months ago, I. I drunkenly ordered eight tickets to go see acdc, and then I had Greer give away all the tickets because I didn't want to feel anyone to feel left out in this office.
- [71:35]
Dan Katz
Smart move.
- [71:36]
PFT Commenter
I got a little notification yesterday from one of the people that had committed to going. Ben Mentz.
- [71:43]
Dan Katz
Oh, no.
- [71:44]
PFT Commenter
And he got an offer for another ticket. A better offer, I think. I think my ticket might be better. I didn't ask, but Ben was like, is it cool if I take this other ticket and then you can have my ticket? Wait, so he gifted your ticket back to me?
- [71:58]
Dan Katz
What a guy.
- [71:59]
PFT Commenter
So now, Hank, I'd like to formally invite you to go see AC DC On Saturday at Soldier Field.
- [72:04]
Hank Lockwood
I actually. I mean, I appreciate the offer. I do have. I got family in town, man.
- [72:09]
PFT Commenter
Because you've been complaining about not getting to go see AC DC Well, I.
- [72:13]
Hank Lockwood
Accepted it initially, and then when you took it away from me, I made other plans.
- [72:16]
PFT Commenter
Okay, well, Hank, I want. I want to give.
- [72:18]
Hank Lockwood
Don't you have someone else you need to get a ticket for?
- [72:19]
Dan Katz
What about me?
- [72:20]
PFT Commenter
I'll pick out. Would you like to go?
- [72:22]
Dan Katz
I'll accept the ticket.
- [72:23]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [72:23]
Dan Katz
Hank, would you like to take my ticket?
- [72:26]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [72:26]
Dan Katz
Oh, all right. I'm gonna give my ticket back.
- [72:28]
PFT Commenter
Tell you what. No.
- [72:29]
Hank Lockwood
You have someone else you need to give a ticket to?
- [72:31]
PFT Commenter
I'm giving Big Cat's ticket back to Big Cat. And now Big Cat gets to the side. Who gets the last ticket? Hey, acdc.
- [72:39]
Hank Lockwood
I can't go.
- [72:40]
Dan Katz
You're not gonna take a free ticket?
- [72:42]
Hank Lockwood
I would love to.
- [72:42]
Dan Katz
I got.
- [72:43]
Hank Lockwood
I got other. I got commitments.
- [72:46]
Dan Katz
You got Coles. What was that responsibility?
- [72:49]
PFT Commenter
Do you have 18 commitments on Saturday?
- [72:51]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [72:51]
Dan Katz
What if we got you another ticket? Yeah. All right. So. So we just got to get you one more ticket. You know what? Let's get. Let's get. Let's convince Mincy he's got to give us that extra ticket. The new ticket that he has.
- [73:04]
PFT Commenter
That he has.
- [73:04]
Dan Katz
We'll get that one. So I'll give two to Hank. Okay. Hanks in.
- [73:08]
PFT Commenter
No. Big Cat. You are now officially in charge of giving away this last ticket.
- [73:11]
Dan Katz
Okay.
- [73:11]
PFT Commenter
To somebody.
- [73:12]
Max
I actually think there might be a ticket up for grab. I think. I think I heard someone. Someone bailed in the. In the Greer crew.
- [73:18]
Dan Katz
Okay.
- [73:18]
PFT Commenter
So we got two tickets.
- [73:20]
Dan Katz
Am I gonna end up with all the tickets now?
- [73:22]
Max
Do you want me to ask if there's an extra ticket?
- [73:24]
Dan Katz
I could.
- [73:24]
Max
I could.
- [73:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I. I got it. And Greer's got an extra ticket. So we've got two extra tickets right now.
- [73:31]
Dan Katz
So Hank's gonna go, then I would go.
- [73:32]
PFT Commenter
You would go if there were two tickets?
- [73:34]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [73:34]
PFT Commenter
You would take two tickets and then just not use one and use one?
- [73:37]
Dan Katz
No, he's gonna. He's gonna use the other one. He's gonna go with someone.
- [73:41]
Hank Lockwood
My cousin is. Is staying. Like, he's moving in on Sunday, so he's staying with me Saturday, so I don't want to just leave him high.
- [73:48]
Dan Katz
Okay. He's moving to Chicago. Oh, nice. Where'd he get a job?
- [73:52]
Hank Lockwood
He's interning. He's got an internship.
- [73:57]
PFT Commenter
My other cool throne is acting. Acting. I can't believe we didn't talk about this on. On Sunday or maybe even Friday when it came out. There's a movie coming out about the Raiders and.
- [74:07]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [74:08]
Hank Lockwood
Oh, yeah.
- [74:08]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
- [74:09]
Hank Lockwood
I thought this was AI.
- [74:10]
PFT Commenter
Me too. When I first saw it's gonna start. Nick Cage and Christian Bale. Nick Cage is going to play John Madden.
- [74:15]
Dan Katz
It looks so good.
- [74:16]
PFT Commenter
Which is incredible, by the way. I watched the Rock on Saturday. Still holds.
- [74:20]
Dan Katz
Oh, of course.
- [74:21]
PFT Commenter
That is a banger of a movie.
- [74:23]
Dan Katz
I'm gonna watch it. Yeah. It's so good.
- [74:26]
PFT Commenter
Losers cry about their best, Winners go home and to the prom queen.
- [74:30]
Dan Katz
It's so good. Look at this. Yeah. Christian Bale and Nick Cage.
- [74:34]
PFT Commenter
Christian Bale is Al Davis. Nick Cage is John Madden.
- [74:37]
Hank Lockwood
Somewhere. Shane Gillis is in it.
- [74:39]
Dan Katz
Yeah, I guess.
- [74:40]
PFT Commenter
I gotta say, they nailed the pants.
- [74:42]
Dan Katz
Yeah, they did.
- [74:43]
PFT Commenter
I've seen a bunch of pictures of Nick Cage walking around wearing pants and it's like, those are John Madden 1970s pants.
- [74:49]
Dan Katz
I'm so excited. It's hard to do a good sports movie. Like, there's a lot more. I feel like there's more bad sports movies than good ones. Yeah. So I'm rooting for this.
- [74:57]
PFT Commenter
Well, here's the thing about the F1.
- [74:59]
Hank Lockwood
Movie with Brad Pitt will be good too.
- [75:01]
Dan Katz
Ford versus Ferrari.
- [75:02]
Hank Lockwood
No, that movie is great.
- [75:03]
Dan Katz
Shout out, Peter Turner.
- [75:05]
Hank Lockwood
No, there's a new one that's coming out.
- [75:06]
Dan Katz
Oh, okay.
- [75:07]
PFT Commenter
The. The thing with sports movies, they get a lot better if they have the official logos.
- [75:11]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [75:12]
PFT Commenter
So, like, draft day would have sucked as a movie.
- [75:14]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [75:14]
PFT Commenter
Like terrible acting from whoever played the running back that was drafted by the Browns. I forget that guy's name, but he sucked. But if they didn't have the official logos for the teams, that movie would suck. They had the official logos and the movie was awesome.
- [75:26]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [75:26]
PFT Commenter
This is going to have the official logos. So now I'm going to watch and be like, is this the NFL?
- [75:30]
Dan Katz
This is awesome.
- [75:31]
PFT Commenter
I think I'm watching the NFL right now.
- [75:32]
Dan Katz
I'm watching football.
- [75:33]
PFT Commenter
It'll trick me into thinking the movie's good. No matter. And also with those two acting. Yeah. Sign me up.
- [75:38]
Dan Katz
Okay. My hot seat is the Phoenix Suns. Phoenix Suns, as everyone remembers, they sold their team. What was the old owner's names? Robert Sarver.
- [75:49]
PFT Commenter
That sounds right.
- [75:50]
Dan Katz
Yeah. For kind of institutional chaos in the Phoenix Suns. I think he was a wee bit of a racist, maybe. Allegedly. I can't remember.
- [75:59]
PFT Commenter
NBA owner.
- [76:00]
Dan Katz
I can't believe. I can't remember the details to it, but that's neither here nor there. Matt Ishbia bought the team. And guess what? They're back in it. Because there's a lawsuit now out that Sun CEO Josh Bartlestein might have had an inappropriate relationship with Sophie Cunningham, who played on the Phoenix Mercury.
- [76:19]
PFT Commenter
Injury.
- [76:20]
Dan Katz
So the Suns are back in it.
- [76:23]
PFT Commenter
So this guy Bartlestein, I looked him up, you know, he was a college basketball player.
- [76:28]
Dan Katz
Yeah, Michigan. He's a Michigan man. That's what I think of when I think of Michigan men, this guy.
- [76:32]
PFT Commenter
And yeah, I. I kind of like having chaos around ownership groups in the NBA. I don't know what to think about this one. Was this an affair or was it.
- [76:42]
Dan Katz
Allegations of an affair? There was a. I think there's been three different lawsuits filed against the Suns for like, you know, bad workplace unsafe conditions, discrimination. They basically have just been getting the same thing the old owner got. And then in one of these lawsuits, I think it was an old. An ex security guard, like team security guard, who filed a lawsuit about racial discrimination and demotion. And in that, he was like, oh, yeah, the Sun CEO and Sophie Cunningham are fucking.
- [77:19]
PFT Commenter
So do we know that that's true.
- [77:20]
Dan Katz
It's all alleged as right now. But it's just also very funny because the Suns are just back in it.
- [77:25]
PFT Commenter
If true, you probably need to fire that guy. Yeah, I don't think that you can be.
- [77:30]
Dan Katz
At least fire him from the Mercury side of it because he's the CEO of both.
- [77:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, well, unless he's sleeping with any of the dudes.
- [77:36]
Dan Katz
That's true.
- [77:37]
Chris Berman
You got.
- [77:37]
Dan Katz
You're gonna have to do a little research. Gonna have to do a little research. Also, my hot seat is. And this guy seems like a nice guy, but I have a problem with his reporting. I don't know if you guys saw, but in the. In BP the other night, on Monday night, there was a Reds player who hit a pigeon with a. I think it was. I think he hit the ball and hit a pigeon. Yeah. Charlie Goldsmith reported in batting practice today. Reds player hit a pigeon with a line drive. Unfortunately, the pigeon passed away immediately. I immediately was like, rip to the pigeon. I feel terrible that we love that pigeon. I missed his update. He said update. The pigeon is alive, but he's essentially on life support. I don't know what pigeon life support is.
- [78:19]
PFT Commenter
So maybe they. They injected him with that stuff that lowers the body temperature.
- [78:22]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [78:23]
PFT Commenter
And just put him in a coma. Yeah. It's miracle on ice.
- [78:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I think that this pigeon, if it. If it pulls through, then the Reds are the team of destiny.
- [78:30]
Dan Katz
Yeah. I. I haven't gotten an update on what's happening with the pigeon. The pigeon also could have had do not resuscitate on his license.
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PFT Commenter
Is the pigeon brain dead?
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Dan Katz
Yeah. So they. So they could have. The pigeon family could have pulled the. Pulled the plug.
- [78:44]
PFT Commenter
So they've just got maybe a pigeon in a hospital bed with like a feeding tube of mushed up sunflower seeds that's just going right into its stomach.
- [78:52]
Dan Katz
Just trash.
- [78:52]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's just.
- [78:54]
Dan Katz
It's just like a solo cup and trash going. Just ground up into his feeding tube.
- [78:58]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. This is. I mean, this is sad stuff.
- [79:00]
Dan Katz
Real sad stuff.
- [79:01]
PFT Commenter
I hope. I hope the pigeon's okay. It would be amazing. Comeback would be amazing.
- [79:05]
Hank Lockwood
It's actually Cincinnati, man.
- [79:07]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Something with. Yeah.
- [79:09]
Dan Katz
Well said, Hank. Throw it in there.
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PFT Commenter
I mean, true advancements they've. They've made in bird health.
- [79:15]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [79:16]
PFT Commenter
Tomorrow is kind of crazy.
- [79:18]
Dan Katz
Prayers for tomorrow.
- [79:19]
PFT Commenter
Harambe or sweet Prince?
- [79:21]
Dan Katz
Yeah, I mean, both. Both those things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this happened on a. On a Harambe, obviously part of it, because the animal. But Demar died for a second on the field, so did this pigeon.
- [79:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, if this happened at a Bengals practice, the jokes would just be, like, up another season. Cursed by injuries for the Bengals.
- [79:40]
Dan Katz
We need to get a name on this pigeon. I need an update on this pigeon. And then my cool throne is Tom Cruise because he eats two buckets of popcorn at the movie theaters. And that is awesome. That's Very relatable. One bucket is never enough. You guys do. I try to do. What was that face?
- [79:56]
PFT Commenter
One bucket is. Is. One bucket is.
- [79:58]
Dan Katz
No, I.
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PFT Commenter
Have you seen Bucket?
- [80:01]
Hank Lockwood
I've never come close to even, like, putting it. I don't even put a dent in.
- [80:05]
Dan Katz
Well, I don't get a second bucket, but I finished my bucket before the movie starts.
- [80:09]
PFT Commenter
That's soft on Max's part because you never. That. That one bucket of popcorn. You can finish that.
- [80:16]
Max
But there's stuff I don't believe that.
- [80:18]
PFT Commenter
You guys have never. I don't believe for a second you've never finished a popcorn ever.
- [80:22]
Dan Katz
I finished my popcorn before the movie starts.
- [80:25]
Max
Maybe if I was in, like, a. Like me and one other person. I've. I've. I've never, like, gone. Gotten to the bottom.
- [80:30]
Dan Katz
You're soft.
- [80:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that is soft. I finished. I finished one popcorn every time.
- [80:34]
Dan Katz
Also, the end of the popcorn is always kind of like, you know, when it's, like, ground up when you. The bottom of the popcorn can't be great. So that's where I would go. Get a second. I never really get up and get a second because usually that's right when the movie's starting and I don't want to miss it. But I like this move by Tom Cruise. That's a beast move.
- [80:51]
PFT Commenter
I went to a movie and he.
- [80:52]
Hank Lockwood
Definitely knows, like, the best parts. Time to get a popcorn, right?
- [80:55]
PFT Commenter
That is true.
- [80:55]
Hank Lockwood
I'm not in the scene for the next five minutes.
- [80:57]
PFT Commenter
I went to movie a couple weeks ago. My very first bite of popcorn got a kernel stuck right in between on the very first bite. Nothing will ruin your day like bite number one.
- [81:05]
Chris Berman
Worst.
- [81:06]
Dan Katz
The worst. Worst field. We should do that for Mount Rushwood.
- [81:11]
PFT Commenter
Worst. Minor inconveniences.
- [81:13]
Dan Katz
Yeah, we might have done that. Definitely.
- [81:15]
PFT Commenter
Probably twice.
- [81:16]
Dan Katz
But I don't remember ever talking about the popcorn kernel in your mouth.
- [81:20]
PFT Commenter
Tom Cruise. Just throwing on the charm there. Look at him.
- [81:22]
Dan Katz
Look at that. He's just popping it back. Oh, that's not even a buckle.
- [81:25]
Max
Yeah, that's different.
- [81:27]
Dan Katz
That is different.
- [81:28]
Max
He's eating a small. Like a bag.
- [81:30]
PFT Commenter
You know what that bag is? That's like a bag they give you at a screening of an important movie that comes out, hey, here's your. Your popcorn. And if you get a small. When you're actually at a movie that you. You pay for, the small is about like. It's the size of a keg. It's crazy.
- [81:44]
Dan Katz
Shout out, Tom.
- [81:45]
Max
These are still small. I'm looking at another picture of him eating Buckets. It's another smaller bucket.
- [81:49]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. See, this is free popcorn.
- [81:50]
Dan Katz
Shout out Tom Cruz. Like, the whole Scientology thing is very weird. And he probably knows where Shelly Miscavige like, is. Her body is buried and everything. He just was like, yeah, I'm going to put out a new Top Gun and everyone's going to forget about that. Yeah.
- [82:03]
PFT Commenter
I mean, Scientology, say what you want about the religion, but they picked the best spokesman that they could ever get.
- [82:09]
Dan Katz
But seriously, like, he. It felt like the block was getting a little hot with the documentaries and everything. He's like, I know Top Gun too.
- [82:16]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [82:17]
Dan Katz
People won't care anymore.
- [82:19]
PFT Commenter
It was a banger of them.
- [82:20]
Dan Katz
It was such a good.
- [82:21]
PFT Commenter
I can't wait for Top Gun 3.
- [82:23]
Dan Katz
All right, let's get to our interviews. We got biz and then we've got our guy, Chris Berman, the schwarm.
- [82:29]
PFT Commenter
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- [83:17]
Dan Katz
Okay, we now welcome on our very, very, very, very good friend and very special guest. It is Paul Bissonnet. You can listen on spit and chicklets. You can see him on tnt. He might be the saddest guy in the world right now. We're two days removed from the Leafs getting absolutely shit pumped at home in a game seven and biz. Let's start with that game. So we want to talk about the conference finals and who you have to win, but how are you doing your fully like, do you know that you can take off the Leafs gear now?
- [83:51]
Paul Bissonette
I just figured I'd come in costume, right? I've been a clown for Them all playoffs long but not so much sad, just disappointing. Like you know, I knew Florida was a great team defending Stanley cup champions, but for them to show up like that in games five and seven at home, I, I just, I couldn't believe it. I thought they took their in game five. So coming back, especially after the way they played in game six on the road where they locked it up defensively, you know, they, they didn't make many stupid plays. They were great defensively. Penalty kill was good. I was just shocked to see them come home and lay an egg like that. But ultimately the pressure was too much. And credit to the Florida Panthers, man, they beat the out of the Leafs. Like as far as defenseman and hits taken throughout playoffs, I believe the Leafs their top five defensemen were in the top seven as far as hits taken. Chris Tana being the the most over a hundred hits he took throughout the first two rounds. So warriors back there. But yeah, just disappointing on, on the effort in game seven.
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PFT Commenter
So where do we go from here, Leafs fans? I, I mean Marner during the game, the cameras obviously caught him, you know, get, maybe he was getting the team fired up, but he looked disappointed. He did a press conference today, seemed to be non committal about whether or not he was coming back.
- [85:09]
Paul Bissonette
He ain't coming back.
- [85:10]
PFT Commenter
Do we blow it up? Are we blowing it up?
- [85:11]
Dan Katz
I, I, I got a question before that about the Marner clip of him yelling at the team. Was his hair too dry to be yelling like that?
- [85:19]
Paul Bissonette
Listen, like I'm asking the, the, the Internet's gonna run with it. I think that like, you know, obviously he's wearing a letter and he's trying to be a leader in that situation. I think it's a little bit difficult when it's a guy like that at that particular time saying something where maybe he hasn't been at his best, especially come that second round. There's a stat, I think he's played like 20 to 22 games, games five to seven throughout his playoff career at the Toronto Maple Leafs and he doesn' and he's got seven assists. So based on his regular season performance and numbers like he just hasn't lived up to what not only he's being paid but what the hype is in, in crunch time. And I think that that is a little bit of the criticism that's being snapped around as far as the whole core four. For those of you listening who are not fully aware of this situation, the Toronto Maple Leafs have had these four guys. John Tavares, Austin Matthews, William Nylander and Mitch Marner who you know making a lot of money. The, the core group for the Toronto Maple Leafs have constantly been criticized about not being able to make it out of the second round. Sometimes they can't even make it out of the first round. And ultimately this was kind of the last season where you were going to see the four assembled where Mitch Marner's contracts up, they try to trade him at the deadline for Mikko Rotten and that became made public along all the other, along all the other things where like I guess you could say Mitch and his camp have felt disrespected and where the Leafs have maybe lacked loyalty towards him. But at the end of the day like the Core 4 hasn't gotten it done. They're all making big, big money. Mitch Marner off his entry level contract signed a deal where he's making $10 million. So there's only been one player who makes $10 million or more who has ever won a Stanley Cup. And that just go speaks to the volumes of how with the hard cap you have to snap the money around and you can't just rely on a couple guys throughout these runs like it has to be like you, you have to snap the money around. Sergey Bobrovsky's that guy who has won it. He's got a cap hit of exactly $10 million. John Tavares is at 11. Auston Matthews who just re signed a contract, he's making 13 and a half. He was playing hurt throughout these playoffs. I think the diagnosis and what exactly he was playing through will come out later on. He did score in game six. But as far as offensive output compared to the regular season, just like Mitch, he, he struggled also but I think people are a little bit more lenient on Auston Matthews because he has to play center and he, he's good defensively. He breaks up a lot of plays. I mean the first two games at home in the series against Florida, you know he was, they were, was their plus three like they'd scored three goals. Their line against Sasha Barkov who's an incredible two way centerman for the Florida Panthers. So they were maybe he wasn't lighting up the score sheet but he was doing his job, stopping him defensively and doing everything else that that is involved in a good 200 foot game. So John Tavares who is the older guy who was from Toronto who was brought in as a free agent signed a seven year deal where he when he left the New York Islanders and Frankie, he's, he's done hit that contract. So I would be surprised if they brought him back, but they might with a hometown discount. So three of the four core four members might be back. My theory would be that you bring back Nylander, you bring back Matthews, and you can build around those guys. And with Marner and Tavares coming off the books, you have 21 million to spend right there in free agency. So that's kind of the synopsis is what. As to what's going on. And it's. It's shitty, man. It was brutal. Like, to see Whit described it perfectly. Like, Mitch Marner is a Toronto kid who was drafted top five to them, played for the London Knights in the ohl, gets to live his childhood dream playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's making all star games, putting up 99 point, 100 point seasons. Obviously we talked about his playoff performance, but. But, you know, his last game is a Toronto Maple Leaf. They get beat six one at home and they're getting booed off the ice, jerseys on the ice, beers being thrown on the ice. Like, just like, not how you thought that it would end for, like, you know, a dream scenario of this kid getting to play in his hometown. So he won't be back. It sucks. I do feel bad for him as far as the amount of heat that he's probably taking personally, I don't think that. I think that when you are very vocal and, and a little bit greedy in contract negotiations, thinking that you're worth a certain a.m. and you don't live up to that, especially in crunch time, I mean, it's Toronto. You're playing in a big market. You want to put yourself in that situation and not snap the money around a little bit more other places. Well, you're going to have to fall on the sword, right?
- [90:09]
PFT Commenter
I think that getting guys that are from Toronto might actually just make the problem worse because they've grown up as, you know, with all the, the Leafs failures that they've had in the playoffs. Like, that moment becomes bigger if it's a team that you grew up rooting for and now you're in that moment. Right, Right.
- [90:25]
Paul Bissonette
Yeah, I, I would agree with that. Because you really can't escape it, right? Like, your roots are in Toronto. Everybody you know is a Leafs fan like you. You just can't get out of your bubble. And, and that's where I, I sympathize for these guys. We had Matthew Kachuk on to come stuff me in a locker for the, what, 14th time this season on yesterday's podcast, and he Goes, I feel for those guys, they competed. But he goes, any other market, if they're living somewhere else, I feel like they're a way better team. Essentially saying that the pressure and of how ridiculous fans are in Toronto, it's counteractive. It's not even necessarily home ice advantage. In fact, you'd rather go play on the road like they did in game six, get away from the noise. But buddy, you're playing in the big smoke. Like, yeah, like you know, I, I, you know, you be vocal about not, not signing there or don't bend them over in contract negotiations and but going back though that is the one of the bigger issues that I have with who is in charge. And when they handed these deals over, like I think that you know, bitch. Marner, Auston, Matthews, William Nylander are incredible players. Nylander actually out of his entry level only ended up signing a seven million dollar deal. So he was being fairly paid, if not maybe a little bit underpaid. But Matthews and Marner got the big tickets. Right. And that's where I feel like they. Because they were restricted. If I was the general manager, I would have said, hey, I get that you guys are are going to be superstars in this league, but you haven't proven so this is the number we're prepared to offer you. You're restricted. If you don't want to sign it, sit the at home and we'll get the job done without you until you want to sign something that's more of a fair deal.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I got, I got a fun little game that we can play and then maybe we can move on to some things that aren't Maple Leafs related. But I'm going to give you a list of things and you tell me if these things happened before or after the Leafs won their last Stanley Cup.
- [92:17]
Dan Katz
This is good.
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PFT Commenter
Okay. All right. Post it Notes were invented.
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Paul Bissonette
I would say that those were invented. Past post for people who at home.
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Dan Katz
The last time the least won the cup was 67.
- [92:32]
PFT Commenter
67. Yeah, that's bang on. That was was after they won the last Stanley Cup.
- [92:37]
Dan Katz
Yep.
- [92:37]
PFT Commenter
The Rubik's Cube.
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Paul Bissonette
I would say the Rubik's Cube is after they won the Cup.
- [92:44]
PFT Commenter
It's also after they won the Cup. Yeah. Next one dialing nine one one.
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Paul Bissonette
I would say that you could. I mean we're phones. Yeah. I would say that was before.
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PFT Commenter
No, that was after also. That was after they won the atm.
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Paul Bissonette
Oh for sure after.
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PFT Commenter
That was also after the nation of the Bahamas.
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Dan Katz
After.
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PFT Commenter
That's also after. Yeah. Star Wars. After Also after. Correct. And landing on the moon.
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Paul Bissonette
After.
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PFT Commenter
Also after. Yeah, they were all.
- [93:19]
Chris Berman
After.
- [93:19]
PFT Commenter
These are all things that have happened since they won the Stanley Cup.
- [93:22]
Dan Katz
Wow.
- [93:23]
PFT Commenter
Was that a fun game.
- [93:25]
Paul Bissonette
That's a tough one.
- [93:26]
PFT Commenter
That's a real tough one.
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Paul Bissonette
Yeah, that. Yeah. Leafs fans are cursed. It's much like the Boston Red Sox before they won theirs. The curse of the Bambino. And. And I actually thought that there was a chance, maybe there was a chance in that game where kind of like when the Boston Red Sox were down in game four, weren't they down like three, four, nothing in that game and rallied to win game four and then rattled off four straight wins. Yeah, I thought maybe at. Maybe when Max Domi put that in for a split second, I thought there was a possibility they could come back in that game. But 45 seconds later, they made it 4:1. And. And, and then the onslaught of jerseys and beers started flooding the ice and. And they got booed.
- [94:04]
Dan Katz
Ty Domi knew when they showed him in the stands, yeah, he was just like. He didn't even think about celebrating. Down three one. And he was just. It was just Steel jaw. All right, so let's go from bad to worse. So you. The Maple Leafs lose, you get, like, mocked online relentlessly. Everyone's laughing at you. Yeah. And then one of your number. One of your, like, top foes, two days later, gets out of jail. Glass bangers out of jail.
- [94:37]
Paul Bissonette
Correct.
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Dan Katz
And he's gonna go. He's gonna go to the games and see the stars.
- [94:41]
PFT Commenter
The Western Conference final.
- [94:42]
Dan Katz
Oh, he might not.
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Paul Bissonette
I don't know if they're gonna. I don't think they're gonna let him in the building.
- [94:46]
Dan Katz
Okay. Okay, so. Okay, so for.
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Paul Bissonette
For those of you who don't know, they've had this longtime fan in Dallas who wears an all white suit and he has a cardboard cutout that says hashtag bang. And when the play goes in the offensive zone, where, like, when Dallas is there or when the play even comes near him, he's like, standing up and banging on the glass and, like, body checking the glass. He's essentially their sixth man in on the forecheck. But he's so obnoxious and he brings, like, hookers to the game, so he just completely annoys everybody in his section, including the people who are sitting behind him. Like, like they don't want to see this guy standing up, blocking the. The vision and, and, and creating all this noise. And nobody likes glass bangers at hockey games. It's a faux pas. You don't bang on the glass. Like, those people are the most painful, annoying people on the planet. So he apparently had a bunch of DUIs and then, like, didn't show up for his court date. And in December of 2024. So about, what, six months ago? Five. Six months ago, he got thrown in the clink. So he was gone. Obviously, he wasn't in his seats for the first two rounds. Well, I think he just got out in the last couple days. So the Dallas Stars have been rolling. They beat the Colorado Avalanche, who. Who people, a lot of people thought could win the Stanley cup with the roster they had. They didn't have their top scorer and best defenseman in the lineup. They get through Colorado. Well, their top scorer comes back, they still were waiting on their best defenseman. Well, they end up winning the last round and getting through that one against the Winnipeg jets in six games. So all of a sudden, hey, smooth sailing. They're going to play the Edmonton Oilers, a very difficult conference finals. And then he drops the hammer today on Twitter that he's back, and they.
- [96:30]
Dan Katz
Get their best fan back. Holy.
- [96:34]
Paul Bissonette
I would say best, slash, worst.
- [96:36]
Dan Katz
Depends who you ask. Right?
- [96:38]
Paul Bissonette
I think I just love the rivalry.
- [96:40]
Dan Katz
You have with him. Yeah.
- [96:42]
Paul Bissonette
It's not. I'm just. I'm just fascinated by him because the Leafs have never gone against them. It's more about, like, is he aware that his own fans hate his guts? I'm sure he is aware of that. Is he actually going to be in his seats come game one of the. The conference finals because they have home ice advantage. Right. Wit's loving this. Like, he's like, Whit might buy his tickets to put him in that seat because he's such a mush for them, and he's more of a distraction than a. Than a fan. Including rattling all the other people who have had peace and quiet for this last six months at Dallas games.
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Dan Katz
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [97:14]
Paul Bissonette
So.
- [97:15]
Dan Katz
But think about the prostitutes. They're gonna be happy.
- [97:17]
Paul Bissonette
Oh, yeah, the money train. The money trains back the bartenders. I'll show your. Your viewers a picture of him. Unless you guys are able to pick it.
- [97:28]
Dan Katz
Yeah, you can send it to me and we'll put it in the YouTube. Yeah.
- [97:31]
PFT Commenter
Yep. Looking.
- [97:32]
Dan Katz
I'm back, baby. Oh, man. I just love any fans that think they matter this much. It's the best. This is what makes sports so funny.
- [97:40]
Paul Bissonette
He thinks he should be paid like Mitch Marner.
- [97:42]
Dan Katz
Yeah, right, Right. This is so. All right, so let's talk about this series. Who's going to win and how is Wit feeling?
- [97:49]
Paul Bissonette
So I picked The Oilers. And then Whit said, no, you can't. You're done. You're a mush. Stay away from my team. So then I switched my pick to Dallas and seven. I, I'll be, I'll be heartbroken for either of these teams because Pete DeBoer, the Dallas Stars head coach, he's never won a Stanley cup up. He's, he's been to the conference finals, I want to say the last seven years, guys. And he's been fired in two of those years. So he went with, I believe San Jose Sharks was one of them and then Vegas Golden Knights was the other one that he went with. And he's just kind of been shipped around and he's found a great home in Dallas. So he's 90 in game sevens in playoff history. So if it does go seven, look out. He's undefeated. And also Jamie Ben, their captain who hasn't won a Stanley Cup. I would put Jamie Ben up there with like Joe Thornton. And the list goes on of a certain few like Jerome McGinla, like legends who have, who have never won the big one, who you feel bad if they retire and they never got the hoist of Stanley.
- [98:48]
Dan Katz
Connor McDavid.
- [98:50]
Paul Bissonette
Connor McDavid at this point. But he's only halfway through his career.
- [98:53]
Dan Katz
He hasn't won the big one and.
- [98:54]
Paul Bissonette
He'S in his prime. But boys like I, I have a hard time betting against the Oilers right now because you got Leon and Conor, the, the biggest dynamic duo in sports right now. And the fact that they're getting secondary scoring finally like the, the. I believe that, that they've gotten goals outside of Connor and Leon. I think they have 16 goals right now contributed by like basically their, their, like their bottom six slash role guys. And all of last year's run they only had I believe 12 or 14. So already halfway through playoffs they've outscored last year's role players which is huge, man, because I talked about it like you, you're. When you're like with the Toronto Maple Leafs when you're paying all the top guys like it's hard because you can't just rely on a few players. You really truly need everyone. So they've been getting great contributions from everyone. But I would. Dallas has home ice. They're a wagon. They got that Miro Haskin in back. Who will be the best defenseman in that all around defenseman in that series? Evan Bouchard on Edmonton's side is a lethal offensive defenseman who's been playing incredible. So guys it's, it's like both of these teams could easily win a Stanley cup, but the problem is is they're going to beat the out of each other and then Florida gets to play Carolina, which I think they'll make damage of in about five or six and then a little bit easier of a path to get to the Stanley cup finals, in my opinion. I think everybody would agree that, that Oilers and Dallas playing each other like those are two, two, two juggernauts going at it.
- [100:27]
PFT Commenter
So with the, with the Hurricanes, you think that this is a matchup where the Panthers should dominate.
- [100:33]
Paul Bissonette
So there's a few things that Carolina has on its side. They have home ice advantage. They were able to beat Washington in five games. So they do have rest. So they've been sitting there waiting at home for the Leafs and Panthers to finish the seven game series. Well, they finished Sunday. I just talked to you about how physical Florida is. Like, like they, this is, this could be if they make it past this round, their third straight Stanley cup final. So that's a lot of hockey being played, boys. Like we're not talking about, you know, a sport with no, with no contact. We're talking about the, one of the most physical, if not the most physical sport in the world, especially based on the grind. 82 games and then going through playoffs every other day. So, so Carolina, they got, they got great goaltending, they have rest, they have home ice advantage. And the fact that Florida has played so much hockey, to me I, I wouldn't be shocked if it goes seven games with Carolina, but I think that Florida should win this series in six, if not maybe five games. Yeah, that's, that's my opinion. And, and, and a lot of people have been criticizing Carolina about maybe playing boring hockey.
- [101:39]
Dan Katz
They do.
- [101:41]
Paul Bissonette
Compared to like boring hockey when the New Jersey Devils were doing like the left wing lock and hanging out in the neutral zone in 21 games. Like they like Carolina goes like they might not get all these amazing Gloria glorious scoring chances because they tend to just throw a lot of pucks towards the net, maybe from non threatening positions, but they're also sending guys there and then like on the forecheck like their D are pinching like they're getting up and they swarm you. So at least it's like fast and in your face where it's like, you know, it's not just sitting back and, and necessarily extremely boring. And I feel like Florida and Carolina have very similar systems in the sense that they're very aggressive with their D. They're Great at filtering back and like protecting. Like the forwards are great at supporting their defensemen who are pushing up. They both have great goaltending. They both have extremely good penalty kills. I would give the advantage to Florida on the power play. Carolina did struggle early in that series against Washington. They started figuring it out towards the end, but. But Florida comes at you like so hard and then as far as Carolina's concerned, I want to say they were top one or two penalty kills all season long and that's that, that's the case every year, year over year. So that was interesting.
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PFT Commenter
That was the one thing that I came away really impressed with. The hurricane zone is their, their penalty kill. On the penalty kill, not only do they stop you from getting shots off and stop you from getting through the neutral zone, they also counter attack really well on the penalty. They get, get. They get opportunities for a shorthanded goal almost every time as a player what.
- [103:14]
Paul Bissonette
Makes a great penalty kill, they are just well connected. So they don't just sit back in, in like a little like they call it the box or sometimes they call it the triangle. Depending how the offense sets up. You basically like rotate it to take away what the, the offense is trying to accomplish. But they'll have one guy attack where, okay, well then the offensive player will move it to the open guy, but that next guy for Carolina knows that his guy is going. So they anticipate one another. So they all close on you very quick. So you have to make like two, three quick, really, really good plays in order to beat their, their defense where you know with how hard they come and how fast they pressure, it's hard like at that level to make like 2, 3 really quick good plays. And if you're, you're able to accomplish that, you probably will end up getting a scoring chance. So Florida, Florida is, is very strong on their power play because they have good high options with guys who can shoot the puck and have bombs. But they also have really good low plays. So they have a good option everywhere. Florida, including Sam Reinhardt, who is up for the, one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. Like him and Sasha Barkov on Florida are up for the Selkie trophy. So not only are they amazing offensive players, but they're being recognized as how good they are defensively. Like Sam Reinhardt's a 50 goal scorer, so he, he is in their bumper position where if Tachuk doesn't like the low play, he'll hit it to hit him in the slot and boom, it's off his stick Top corner, just a lethal sniper. So I would like, I said advantage power play for Florida, but both of them lethal, lethal penalty kills. And Carolina, they, they roll four lines and they're high energy all game long. They have six great defensemen, four great lines. So they're able to maintain that, that high pace throughout the course of the 60 minutes. Rarely do you see lulls because they're not just relying on the top guys all the time. They spread the ice time out very evenly, as does Florida. Like, Florida's got two guys, two forwards sitting out that could easily be inserted in the lineup and you wouldn't even notice and wouldn't even blink. And they could put one of those guys like Boquis on the top line with Barkov and he would fit right in because Barkov's just that nasty. So I think that high, high end, superstar talent also advantage Florida, but let's see if the rest and the home ice and the fact that Florida's beat up can pay dividends for Carolina because the last three times Carolina's been to the conference finals, they haven't won a game. They got swept by, I believe they got swept by the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Boston Bruins, and then last time two years ago, the Florida Panthers. Like, we had the series, the games were very close. They were all, I believe, one goal games. But you know, they just. Florida can play any way you want. That's what makes them dogs. Oh, you want to play the up and down game? We'll play that. Oh, you want to lock down? We'll lock down too. Oh, you want to try to be physical? Oh, yeah, we'll stuff you in a locker. So they are just there. Florida is a well, well oiled machine. And who are the two best, most noticeable players on the ice in Game 7 against the Leafs? Brad Marshawn, Seth Jones, the two guys they make deals for at the deadline. So as far as management, top to down, Florida's looking good.
- [106:29]
Dan Katz
Rank the four goalies left. Oh, wow.
- [106:36]
Paul Bissonette
So I would probably have to put Bob at the top. Bobrovsky, okay. Just because he's been there, done that. He seems very dialed, like maybe not as good early in the series against Toronto, but he tends to figure things out as the series progresses. And like I said, he's just locked in right now. Guys got a couple. Couple. Vesna's Stanley cup champion. He gets the nod. 2. I would put Ottinger up and coming. USA goaltender just beat out Hellebuck, who is the starter for Team USA at the Four Nations. He, he's really trying to prove himself as the number one American goaltender, especially ahead of next year's Olympics. And he seems very dialed right now. And yeah, I would put him as the number two. And Freddie, I would say shared position at number two with Freddie Anderson. Freddie Anderson's with Carolina. He's dealt with a lot of injuries, blood clots, you name it. Didn't play the whole season. This year he shared the net. But these playoffs, I think he has the best save percentage right now. Going in to the, to the conference finals, like he's been unbelievable. That's a testament to also the guys in front of him and how they play team defense. He also looks like Ed Sheeran. So there's a little fun fact for Halloween one year. So if you guys want to check out that costume online. And then last I would put the Oilers goaltending. It's been shaky. Picard Pickard went in for Stuart Skinner. Stuart Skinner got the reset and he's gotten shutouts in his back to back games in the last round against the Vegas Golden Knights. So no disrespect to him. He's an Edmonton kid. You talked about pressure of being a Toronto kid playing in Toronto. He's been, he's been pretty vocal about like the anxiety that he deals with because of the amount of pressure playing in a Canadian market as a starting goaltender. He's got the net back after Calvin Pickard kind of saved them a little bit. And he's posted back to back shutouts against the Vegas Gold Knights. So he's the fourth guy. But like last year he turned it on the later it got in the playoffs.
- [108:40]
Dan Katz
So and, and the bounce back from the, I mean the horrendous goal he let up for the one game that the Knights won, he then bounces back with, with back to back shutouts. So it's like that might be a change in like his toughness, grit, like he answered the bell in that.
- [108:55]
Paul Bissonette
You know what, Big Cat? Sometimes when you're maybe playing a little too much hockey, especially as a goaltender, you get away from your fundamentals and you start being a little bit like, like, like slipping around too much, not being in position. And you know, when I was doing radio for the Phoenix Coyotes, Rick Talkett was the head coach and we had Darcy Kemper. And this year he had an incredible year with the LA Kings. He was nominated for the Vesna Trophy and he was scrambling like that and they gave him like a week to reset with Corey Schwab, the goaltending coach. And then he came back and he was one of the best goaltenders the rest of the year. So sometime as a goalie, because when you're being put out there, you have to stay focused the whole 60 minutes. Like guys are getting a change and you know, if they make a mistake while they got the defense to help them out. Well, if the defense makes a mistake, they got the goalie to help them out. They're the last man there.
- [109:48]
Dan Katz
Right, right.
- [109:48]
Paul Bissonette
So sometimes they just need that mental reset, get back to their old techniques and that could pay massive, massive dividends. And, and I'm happy for him, man, That's. It must be a mental grind going through a season in Canada like that.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. So are you rooting for Ryan Whitney to get Stanley Cup? Like, how, how intolerable is he going to be?
- [110:08]
Paul Bissonette
No, he's not nearly as intolerable as I am with the Toronto Maple Leaf. I actually give him full marks and full credit. And, and you know, for me it's. It's been over 30 years now since Canada has brought home a Stanley Cup. A lot of Americans like to use that against us. I want the Americans to keep in mind these American teams are like, like built a 50 Canadian players on these rosters that are winning on the Stanley Cup. But I would like, especially this season, after winning four nations and, you know, the usa, all the barking going on in usa, I would like the cup to come back to Canada for that reason. And of course, like Connor McDavid, man, what he's done for the sport, the most electrifying hockey player we've seen since Wayne Gretzky. And just for every, you know, every fiber of his being that he's put into the game and, you know, living up in Canada, I hope he wins the big one.
- [111:00]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [111:00]
Paul Bissonette
Because just like I was happy when OVI won the big one. Right. That was something like a scarlet letter that was being used against them where, you know, he got that and then nobody ever talked about that again. He can ride off into the sunset. And I, I really Hope that Connor McDavid, David and Leon Dry Settle are able to help them win a Stanley Cup. And, and like Edmonton, the people of Edmonton are the nicest people on the planet. Like, I really want them to, like, that's all they live for.
- [111:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
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Paul Bissonette
Yeah, that's it.
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PFT Commenter
It'd be nice. I, I have one, one question about OVI because after seeing him in this series, I had some dark thoughts about Ovi after game 5, he didn't seem to really skating around that much. He was kind of just Getting out on the ice, standing there. He looks slow when he was skating. Is this something. Should I be worried about OVI going into next year?
- [111:47]
Paul Bissonette
I think that next year, like it's the last year of his contract. I believe he signed a three year extension a few years ago. Yeah, he said he wasn't retiring and yeah, he's not. I, I figured he would come back for sure next year. I mean why wouldn't you? He scored what do you have, 42 goals and he broke his leg and, and missed some games. I think he played just over 60 games. So when you're on that type of heater, like why would you. And they have a solid team around him so it'll be enjoyable. I would assume they make playoffs again next year. He's just slowing down a little bit. Like it's just, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the. What's the term?
- [112:20]
Dan Katz
Father Time is undefeated.
- [112:22]
Paul Bissonette
Father Time rights. Big cat, way to save me there. And I think in playoffs I think that did hurt them a little bit if I'm not lying. Like, yeah, I think that he should have been playing around 15 minutes a game for them to be efficient. And I think that he wanted to play more thinking that he could help the team. But with how fast the Carolina was, like they were getting exposed in that area. Like I don't think that ov's a 20 minute a a game guy now. So I think that next year he will return. I think he'll be playing right where he normally plays on the power play and I wouldn't be shocked if he scores another 30 goals. But if he continues to slow down, it's just hard in today's day and age to keep up as far as skating. And he has been vocal about wanting to go play one more year and finishing off his career in Russia. Don't know if that's still the case, but I could see him after next year going back to the KHL and, and playing one more year and really having his final swan song and goodbye. Yeah, I really, really hope and this is not a political conversation at all, next year's Olympics, Russia's not going to be playing. It's, it would suck because like politics out the window. It would be probably of Guinea Malkins and Ovi's last opportunity to play in the Olympics. And there's just so much momentum for the league and there's so many good Russian players that are now coming into the NHL. Like you had Mechkov this year who was in Philadelphia, Kirill Capri, Soft like this kid is a top 10 player in the NHL. No doubt worth the price of admission. This Nikitian kid who just showed up in Carolina, who I didn't mention during my breakdown with them, like they would have, like they could win a gold medal. That's how good their young guys are. Along with the nostalgia of having Ovi and Malkin kind of passing off the torch as well as the fact that it, it probably would be Sydney Crosby's last Olympics. Right? Those two guys entered the league at the same time and have carried the torch for 20 years. Like we are blessed as hockey fans at the fact that these kids lived up to every bit of hype and surpassed it, like insurmountably. So to see all of, not only Russia, Canada, the list goes on. Sweden, Finland, I think Germany's going to be there with Leon Dreidle. Like it would just be so good for the sport with the momentum it has off of four nations. And would you guys not agree? Like, I don't know how hardcore of hockey fans you are compared to other sports, but nothing has even came close to what the playoffs have provided in the first.
- [114:54]
Dan Katz
Oh, it's been great. Yeah. The best. They're the best.
- [114:58]
PFT Commenter
I think, I think the Stanley cup is the hardest tournament to win.
- [115:01]
Paul Bissonette
It is, no doubt.
- [115:02]
PFT Commenter
I think it's harder to win a Stanley cup than NBA championship. I know it's impossible to, to actually measure those together. But just by the vibe of how things go and how hard these teams play, it feels like it's an absolute grinder to get to the playoffs in hockey, buddy.
- [115:16]
Paul Bissonette
Florida just finished a seven game series. They went to Toronto, packed for three games and then won that game. Flew to Carolina and now they're playing tonight like we have the broadcast. So less than 48 hours, you're suiting up again for another seven game series. Playing every other night in these humid temperatures. Carolina, Florida, and then if they win that, they got to go play another round against Edmonton or Dallas and then start on the road like it's, it's a grind, boys. And agreed. Hockey's on a heater and I have so much respect for these players.
- [115:48]
Dan Katz
All right, I got one last question for you, Biz. We always love having you on Roback. Question. R H O-B-A-K.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take I want you to be honest with this question. Game 6 Leafs Panthers happens. Was there a small part of you that was like, holy shit. Oldie is my good luck charm. We're going to win it all with Oldie.
- [116:15]
Paul Bissonette
I thought that by the time that Toronto's run was over, there would be a statue of him outside of Scotiabanker.
- [116:21]
Dan Katz
Because I had the same feeling. I was like, oh my God. I think maybe this is. I think Oldie may, may be able to pull this off. Off.
- [116:27]
Paul Bissonette
So the craziest part about all this. So like, let's talk, let's talk about Oldie for a second, how this all came to be. I believe during Four Nations, I came on your pod and you guys were talking about the stream you're going to have. And I said, we need Canadian representation.
- [116:40]
Dan Katz
Yep.
- [116:41]
Paul Bissonette
You guys kind of got the ball going on that. You had about four or five people who you were considering for applicants to come in and watch it. And then Yan's must have. I think he listens to every single one of your shows. And he said, said, boys, I gotta send in this Oldie guy.
- [116:55]
Dan Katz
Yep.
- [116:55]
Paul Bissonette
So he put you guys in touch with this Oldie and you saw one second of his videos and you're like, this guy's electric. We're bringing him in. So he does what he does on your guys stream, you guys hire him, he becomes famous overnight. Rightfully so, even though he'd done a bunch of stuff for NHL guys and teams in the past. So fast forward to the other day where I before he Yanza came on your podcast. I mentioned that I was going back to well in Ontario for Game 5 to go to a local watering hole to bring luck to the Leafs. So Yan's was trying to figure out where I was gonna go and he said on your show. He's like, I'm gonna have only buddy him up, Oldie. Buddy him up. Yeah, and, and try to get information so I could send Panthers fans to where Biz is watching the game to with their mojo. Well, Oldie listened to that and then he DM me on Twitter. Then he tried to call me on Twitter. I didn't even know you could do.
- [117:47]
Dan Katz
He's a big facetimer. Big facetime.
- [117:50]
Paul Bissonette
Loves the facetime. So I'm like, well, I'm going home. I said, I. You tell Ted I said, hey, can I get oldies number? And I invited him down to Welland and after just spending three hours with him, even though Toronto got kicked, I was like, he's like the most positive guy in the world ever. He's like, he's like, we'll get him in six and four. And I'M and then. And then Merle's text to the chat. He goes, you should send him down there. So I had my lucky shirt on me. I said, would you go down there with my lucky shirt to. To bring the leaf some mojo? Absolutely. What? He's got a wife, two kids.
- [118:21]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [118:21]
Paul Bissonette
He's on the next plane down there, you know, takes the day off work and then does what he does behind the glass and makes friends with everybody. And I'm like, well, we gotta send him to gain seven. And that didn't work at all.
- [118:34]
Dan Katz
It was close, though.
- [118:36]
PFT Commenter
Did he get kicked out? Is that what happened? I saw a cop escorting him up the steps.
- [118:40]
Paul Bissonette
That was in Sunrise. They couldn't handle his. His little. He calls it his pocket.
- [118:44]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [118:45]
Paul Bissonette
Oh, we're very familiar.
- [118:46]
PFT Commenter
Intimately.
- [118:47]
Paul Bissonette
Earlier, the reason I brought up Yan's coming on your show was because Yan's has been rooting for the Panthers, played there, still hangs around with a bunch of those guys like they love him there. He banged the drum with the biz idiot shirt on it, got them going for game four. And then they smoked the Leafs too. But he almost ruined the Panthers like their own guy.
- [119:08]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [119:09]
Paul Bissonette
Created that, put it into the universe. And that's how old he came to be, at least for the Leafs in this round. So it would have been so poetic that if. If Yans would have said that, and then Oldie would have pulled off victories in game six and seven, and then he would have been off to the Eastern Conference finals. But it didn't come to be. And there's one other thing I wanted to mention, and I'm sure you guys talked to Wit or even Yan's about it. Is that. That Miko Rotten?
- [119:32]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [119:33]
Paul Bissonette
You guys been following this story?
- [119:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Unreal.
- [119:36]
Paul Bissonette
So this is a guy who won a Stanley cup with the Colorado Avalanche, and. And they were going through contract negotiations, and basically they never. They never gave him a final offer and said, hey, if you don't sign this, we're going to trade you. And I believe that he would have taken eight years, times 12 million in Colorado to stay. Well, they were kind of going through the negotiations, things went a little bit silent, and then, boom, he gets blindsided, goes to Carolina. He didn't want to go to Carolina to begin with. Carolina asked to start negotiations even before they made the move and ran in his camp, were like, no, we don't want to go there. That's not the style of play. We want to try to work things out with Colorado. They make the trade regardless. He Goes to Carolina, he's there for three weeks. Obviously it's not going to work out. And they ship him to the same division as Colorado and Dallas and then he goes on that heater that he's been on. This is the dominance that he performed over the first two rounds is some of the likes we've. I think him and Wayne Gretzky are the only ones that had that many points in that period of time in the Stanley cup playoffs.
- [120:43]
Dan Katz
So.
- [120:43]
Paul Bissonette
Talk about a kick in the dick. But I'm so happy for him having gone through all that for whatever it was, six weeks, two months, to now find a landing spot, sign an 8 times 12 extension and then no state tax and then be on the heater he's on. And I would say right now he's probably the favorite for the Con Smythe and I just wanted to mention him before I logged off because he deserves his flowers and he's an absolute playoff beast right now.
- [121:07]
Dan Katz
Yeah, he's been awesome. And yeah, you're right, the playoffs have been incredible and we love watching you. So everyone tune in. TNT Biz, you're the best. We'll have you back on. Sorry about the Leafs. We love you, man.
- [121:19]
Paul Bissonette
I love you boys. Keep doing your thing and I appreciate you guys having me on as always. And. And thank you for not, of course, thank you to Yans for bringing Oldie into our lives. But thank you for really putting him on that pedestal that he deserves and snapping the love of. What? Is Oldie around?
- [121:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, he's absolutely the best.
- [121:35]
Dan Katz
Yeah, he is the best. All right, we'll see you. Is.
- [121:38]
Paul Bissonette
Was that the. That might have been the biggest free agency signing of like the year old?
- [121:42]
Dan Katz
Easily.
- [121:44]
PFT Commenter
He is. He is the absolute best. He has the ability to just talk anybody down. If anyone's mad at him, he becomes their best friend in about two seconds.
- [121:51]
Paul Bissonette
Two seconds. I love you boys. Thank you as always. Go Leafs. Go, baby.
- [121:58]
PFT Commenter
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Chris Berman
And now for something completely different.
- [123:45]
Dan Katz
Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is our Schwam, Chris Berman. And you're probably thinking hey Schwam, outside of football season. Huh? Huh? Well we wanted to have mon because he just signed a multi year contract extension with ESPN and it will run through 2029 when he will become the first employee at ESPN to hit the 50 year mark. So we wanted to congratulate Schwam, have him on catch up. First of all, congratulations. Incredible. I think you, you, last time we saw you you said that we get to plan your 50 celebration, the party, right?
- [124:30]
Chris Berman
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean you guys are the grandchild and the raconteur. I mean I thought we'd be really speaking. Well, Toronto's not French but at any rate I appreciate it. I fooled him one last time fellas. I mean, you know, you can only fool them so long. But I, you know, like I said, you read it. I, I started at 24. I mean our grandfathers or my grandfather's era, maybe you work 40 or 50 years at a company, not now and not in our business. And I, I pinched myself. It's pretty cool. And you guys have always been and so kind. You had the imitations right out of the gate.
- [125:12]
Dan Katz
So I appreciate. Yeah, it really is cool because it is something that in this business specifically, you don't, you don't make it that far. You don't, you don't work 50 years at a company. You don't work 50 years in the spotlight, and you've done it. And it's, it's really cool. It's. It's just a really cool accomplishment. So have you had. I mean, I know that this is the contract session. Have you, have you had thoughts like, hey, I got one more in me after this one, too. Just keep, keep running it. I want to keep going.
- [125:42]
Chris Berman
I mean, Look, I'll be 75 when this is over. Let's, let's hope I have, you know, not worried about. Well, let's just hope 75 is an easy accomplishment and we'll go from there. But look, I, I never thought of 50. We might have talked about this. I don't remember. At the Super Bowl. I don't think so. I never thought of it. Okay. ESPN was very kind. 45 years, they made a deal of it. Now I was, you know, my God, I'm looking myself in the mirror. Is this really you? 45 years, same place. And I was asked a couple of times, so do you want to make it to 50? And I, I never. That was never a goal, fellas. I mean, it's not. I mean, not in my wildest dreams that I. You'd like, you hope to be in the business 30 years, let alone the same place. 50, right. So I started thinking about it and I brought it to our, our president's attention. Not in negotiation or anything, but in the fall, he goes, oh, you, you know, you got, you got to be here through our first super bowl in two years. I said, well, I hope so. I love to be. Blah, blah, blah. I guess that's up to you, isn't it, Jimmy? He goes, yeah, I guess it is. So I just told you. And I went, you know what would be cool? Not because it's me, but you may. We may never have a 50 year employee again. I mean, we probably will. I mean, it's in engineering or a lot of different departments, but 50 years, you gotta start young, right? So what are the odds of even starting in your 20s and being still, hopefully very good at your job? I'm not saying I am, but let's say an engineer is in his or her 70s. So. Yeah, I'm not. One more. I haven't gotten this one done yet. Let's reconvene after the party then. We all may be hurting a little bit.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I think that would be an all time record that would probably stand for forever.
- [127:35]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [127:35]
PFT Commenter
And you put in perspective, we've been doing this show for 10 years. Imagine doing this five times, like not even 10 years yet for us, but imagine doing this five times as much we've done it. It's a testament to you, It's a testament to people that you've worked with. But like you have been a mainstay I think for a lot of people, sports, childhoods, all the way up through adulthoods. And so we're glad that we're going to see there. It, it would be weird if you went somewhere else. Did that thought ever occur to you, was it going to be ESPN or nowhere? Or were you thinking like, hey, maybe I could join. Maybe I joined barstool sports?
- [128:09]
Chris Berman
Well, you never know. There's time for everything. But, but to, to be honest, no, I. Because my guy said, you know, if this gets tricky, which it wasn't. Are you interested in that? Absolutely not. Not if you. My bio, of course everything changes. But I mean this was written really 30 years ago, fellas, or 25 years ago. And unfortunately a lot of the people in the quote in my bio have passed. I said, I want to be Walter Payton, for example. I want to be Tony Gwynn to who we've lost George Brett. Maybe now more modern terms, you know, a Derek Jeter, maybe a, you know, someone that started and finished with my very first job. But really, for all intents and purposes.
- [128:58]
Paul Bissonette
It was.
- [129:00]
Chris Berman
Someone that started and finished with the same ball club. I mean, that's. Now I know where I wouldn't. You know, I thought of Franco Harris carrying the ball as a Seahawk. I thought of Tony Dorset and Tony and I have laughed about it. That's Franco, another one we've missed. And he. And I have laughed about it too. Tony Dorset, his final year was a Bronco. Like I know it. Some of them are fine. But that was like the last year. So if this is my last. No, no, I, I couldn't.
- [129:37]
Dan Katz
Yeah, it's.
- [129:38]
Chris Berman
No, thank you.
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Dan Katz
Emmett Smith on the Cardinals, always whenever that pops up, I'm like, whoa, I forgot about that. All right, so. So, so you were definitely staying with ESPN this time. What was the closest you ever got to Maybe leaving in your 50 years. Because I'm sure now that you've. You've stayed, you can laugh about it. But was there a moment and do you remember that moment of like, oh, well, these people. I don't know. We got to see what happens.
- [130:04]
Chris Berman
Well, I guess once you turn 70, you can give some secrets up, right?
- [130:08]
Dan Katz
Exactly.
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Chris Berman
So we're good now. Well, one I've talked about, but that was a different time. So the real time was 10 years in. Started in 79. 89. ESPN and even cable. Cable was big by then, but ESPN was different. Okay, so basically, I'll try to boil it down. NBC, Dick Ebersole inquired, would you like to come over? Well, I, I mean, I, you know, my contract's running up in a little bit. They, they essentially offered me times four. Now, let's not get carried away. This isn't just 1989 cable TV. To be honest with you. I wasn't, you know, I was 160,000 maybe. Okay, so this isn't all 20 million versus 10 million. I mean, I've never gotten to those, nor was I thinking. I mean, so this is a different time for our company, which is fair. But actually, there's another story I will tell you right before this too, that's interesting. I hadn't thought of it, but get back to this. I, you know, and Bob Constance was doing their football show at the time, so that was. Wasn't open. They said it was going to be soon, but that wasn't open. And I was already doing it, admittedly just two years at ESPN. 87, 88. When we got the NFL and prime time had started, we didn't have baseball yet, so it was interesting. And I went to our guys. Steve Bornstein wasn't the president. He was about to be, but. But he. And I really. I said, steve, I went to Brown. It's times four. I can add. Yep, because I can too. I said, so we've not broken the mold. Not only on somebody got the air, but really anyone, let's say high up in programming or any. I know this is a tough decision, but. And it inched along for a little bit for a couple months. Never rough, never nasty.
- [132:24]
Dan Katz
I mean.
- [132:26]
Chris Berman
And I finally said to him, I said, steve, you're not a golfer, but you got to get to within a nine iron. And I don't know what that means. And I want to stay. And he. I said, I will tell you one other thing. And maybe I'm telling stuff I shouldn't. I reached a little farther and I said, the company may be watching this one not because I'm so good but where we've gone, where we've come. If I go and they're the top in their area. Well, they're not going to help me out either. If something yeah he actually no no to give Steve and there's a actually he said thank you for saying that. And within another week we it he got within an iron iron and in the end look the beauty about one of the many beauty bad things that sang At ESPM was 10 years like you guys. You built something from the ground up. There's a lot to be said for that. It wasn't only me, but we built brick and mortar from the ground up. A lot of us names you'll never know for sports like you guys get to talk golf, hockey, NBA, college, want to talk darts on this show for 10 minutes. You could we cover everything now. We may not have the super bowl or the World Series or US Open Cup. I got to go to all of them, cover them all well or talk about them on the air every day. So if you love sports. There was that part. Why would you want to leave now? To fast forward where I didn't think I'd be going in this story bringing up Steve's name when it was announced a week ago. I heard from him right away. I mean he's long been out, right? George Bodenheimer. I heard from George those two guys were president. Added up maybe 22 of the 45 years. That's the kind of place we had. And that my release at the time the press release said it was a Brian Adams decision. It was straight from the heart. And I couldn't go. I couldn't. And it was the best move I never made. Even though more money bigger at the time. But was it. You know that's not a knock on NBC of course. It's just I live I'm from here necessarily want to live in New York City. I didn't necessarily want to do that. Young kids. Now one other interesting story that I rarely bring up. Rarely. This is a year before. So it sounds like I'm looking to leave. I'm not. But I'm like this from 85 to 89. I'm like this. Okay. And the ESPN was like this. More importantly. So I'm a San Francisco Giant fan, as you know, above everything.
- [135:26]
PFT Commenter
Everything.
- [135:27]
Chris Berman
Even though I grew up northeast. Willie Mays, 7 years old in the World Series. He's a Giant. I'm a little kid. Giants. That's my team. The owner of the Giants and Bob Laurie, great San Franciscan, said, I got a call from it. I got to know them a little bit. I'm going on here, but this is a story I rarely tell. I get a call from his office. I'm so and so. I'm Mr. Lord's assistant. When the Giants are playing the Mets late in May, he'd like to have lunch with you at the 21 Club. Now, I have your wet. First of all, the 21 Club. My club is McDonald's. Okay, so what can you get for 21 bucks in 1988 at McDonald's? Hell, meals for a week. So. So we meet and there's nothing. You know, oh, my God, I'm a young. I take the train in a couple hours. We meet. And he goes, well, up till now, most teams, the announcers are hired by the station they work for. But just about a year or two before that, teams were hiring the man, guy or woman. But let's just say guy at the time was a team employee. I don't know when that happened in Chicago with Harry or with Jack Buck, I don't know. But it was starting. But only like one. He goes, next year we're going to hire. It's going to be our hire. We think you'd be a great San Francisco Giants play by play guy.
- [137:02]
Dan Katz
Oh, man.
- [137:04]
Chris Berman
Well, I've not done it other than Brown baseball. All right. But if you. It was one of my goals to do the Giants, right? And. And I told him, I said, well, we just got football and I'm kind of that guy. We didn't have baseball yet again. And I said, but this is. And it would have been a salary increase at that time. Oh, God, yes. Not times four, but times two. Maybe. Never discussed. Moved to the Bay Area, which I love from afar. Young kid, family. I'd be hired by them. He goes, well, think about it. Call me in a day or two. Which I did. And I said, Mr. Laurie, I can't believe I'm telling you this. It's been my life dream, but I'm going to have to turn it down. And here's what he said. What good guy he is. After what you told me yesterday about ESPN about the NFL and you're the host, you're Brent Musburger. You made the right decision. That's a guy who offered me the. So that's 88 and 89 since then. I'm a Taurus, I'm stubborn, I ain't leaving.
- [138:24]
PFT Commenter
But your agent loves to hear that.
- [138:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah, that's crazy. Though, I mean, that's. That must have been very difficult to turn down, because calling baseball games for your favorite team, that would be incredible. Incredible.
- [138:35]
Chris Berman
Yes. Yeah. And Bay Area. Not even I like the team, but do I know I. San Francisco, to me, I mean, I know they've had after Covid, more trouble than many other cities, but that's not the discussion. My favorite city.
- [138:52]
Dan Katz
Yeah, even.
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Chris Berman
And I grew up 2500 miles away from it, so. But again, I was smart. Then he said it. And by not leaving Aspen. Look, we're having this discussion today. I mean, I probably would have been neat. I would have been neither place in 2025, that's for damn sure.
- [139:13]
Dan Katz
That's true. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
You built that place. That place also shaped you, so it's. That's got to be tough to walk. I think it's been a great fit. I'm very glad that you're sticking around. It would be weird to see you if you just popped up on, like, Fox Sports one day, like a NFL pre game.
- [139:28]
Dan Katz
It would look so weird.
- [139:29]
PFT Commenter
It would look really, really strange. I. I saw that the MLB All Star Game in 2029. They have not announced who's got the TV rights to it. If that's ESPN, can we please get you doing the Home Run Derby?
- [139:42]
Chris Berman
Well, I guess we have one more year of it, but we're losing it now. I mean. Yeah, okay. We. I'm. I'm in. If they'll have me. Okay, yeah, they'll sign. I mean, and yeah, there you go. We'll have our 50th party at the Home Run Derby. How about that?
- [139:58]
PFT Commenter
That sounds perfect.
- [139:59]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [139:59]
PFT Commenter
When I think back of all the years of you on espn, I also think of the Sports center commercials. This is SportsCenter commercial. Do you have a list of your favorite ones?
- [140:10]
Chris Berman
Well, you know, those ads were great. I was never in them because by the time they were doing all those, I was. While still doing plenty of SportsCenter. Charlie Steiner. What does it send? Welcome to Freedom or Send me to Freedom with the headband.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, the Y2K one.
- [140:29]
Dan Katz
Yep, yep.
- [140:30]
Chris Berman
Yeah, that. That, that was a pretty good one. There are a ton of them. It's funny. So I really was never. If I was in one, it was like one of the first ones when they weren't great yet. The football ones, to be honest, other than Bristol University, which was fun. Funny. I mean, they were funny. We. The ones I was in weren't of the same caliber as the Sports Center. I don't mind again, I'm 70. I can say whatever the hell I want.
- [140:59]
Dan Katz
Yeah, hell yeah, you can.
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Chris Berman
I'm not even senile and I could say not yet. Yeah, I might be for our. In five years. But what are your. What were your favorites? I mean, you remember probably more of.
- [141:12]
PFT Commenter
Them than I, I. I mean, that one was actually, I think, my favorite. The Y2K scare. I like the Don't Walk the PSA that you guys did for NBA players to stop traveling. That was a great one. The Crocodile Hunter, where he sees the Florida Gator.
- [141:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [141:25]
PFT Commenter
And wrestles him to the ground.
- [141:26]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [141:27]
PFT Commenter
And then my homer is. I like, I like when. When OVI and I think it was Alexander Simmon lowered through the ceiling like they were in Mission Impossible. Like Russian Spies.
- [141:35]
Dan Katz
I like the. The LT one where he was wearing his visor trying to. To sort the mail.
- [141:40]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Chris Berman
I gotta say, they were. They were sharp.
- [141:44]
Paul Bissonette
They were.
- [141:45]
Chris Berman
And everyone related to it and the players and those in sports bought into it.
- [141:50]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [141:51]
Chris Berman
But the great ones, I wasn't in. That's probably why they were great. I wasn't in them.
- [141:55]
Dan Katz
What? So. So it is off season right now. How's the golf game?
- [142:01]
Chris Berman
In and out. You know, you, you struggle with. Okay, 65. You were still hitting the ball. Not far. Let's not get carried away. But far enough. You know, it's. You really going to move up to. Not the gold yet, but that you got them. You play in the hybrid, but now you're the white because. And so you end up hitting the ball off the tee. And you say to yourself, honestly, once you get over a macho thing, ah, this is where I used to hit it. It's okay. I mean, I'm Played yesterday was pretty good. Played the day before was pretty mediocre.
- [142:45]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [142:46]
Chris Berman
So I'm a usual 14. That occasion you want. And on other occasions, you wish you never knew me. How about you guys? You. You never get to play, right?
- [142:59]
Dan Katz
Yeah, we play on camera a lot. We're bad. We're our. Our Hank, our producer plays all the time. He plays every single day, so. But he's also still bad, which is crazy.
- [143:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, you have to get to a point where you play all the time if you want to be good at golf. It's not something you can like parachute in and out of.
- [143:17]
Dan Katz
Right.
- [143:18]
PFT Commenter
But yeah, I. On a good day, I think we'll probably shoot in the 90s. On Hank's Good Day, he'll shoot in the 80s. What's your best round ever?
- [143:26]
Chris Berman
I don't think I ever broke 80. Maybe 80s. Here's the thing. I did look up the chart. If you get to 70 in the United States, average life expectancy, male 85, female 87, I have a shot to my age.
- [143:49]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [143:49]
PFT Commenter
There you go.
- [143:50]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [143:50]
Chris Berman
I will tell you this, though. I played in the Pro Am at New Orleans. You remember? I did. Did once upon a time with the, with your guy down there. So I'd never met Andrew Novak and Ben Griffin. We played with them day one, media day the next week, Travelers, which I've done forever. Right. Interviewed Scotty Scheffler, Byron Nelson that week. We just saw the pga. It ain't my game, but how's my game influencing others?
- [144:23]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [144:24]
Chris Berman
Not bad, right?
- [144:25]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? We threw this out there on today's show, but do you think there's a chance Scotty could, Could, could creep up into that? Hey, we're talking about him versus Tiger at some point because it does feel. We're joking. He feels like he's 40 years old because he just has the look of. Not in a bad way, but he just looks like he's always looked a lot more put together than everyone else. He's 28, and he's won his third in 22 starts in the majors. It feels like he's going to be, you know, in the next five years. What, like, call it, you know, he WINS, you know, five more in the next five years. He's now at 8, and it's like, oh, now we're starting to talk about this.
- [145:04]
Chris Berman
Well, let's see. How many tour wins again. He's only. He's done them all, really, the last few years. Right. He had not, I think, seven on tour, but nine. Oh, by the way, the gold medal. And now here's two more. I mean, here's. Of the, of the current day or the last 20 years. It's really. Does he approach Phil?
- [145:26]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [145:27]
Chris Berman
Where do we put Rory, who's not a generation. Tiger's not a generation ago. But Rory was a little, you know, was after Tiger, 2010 and all that. So, by the way, what a perfect. We have Rory Hay. He's back. He wins the players. He wins the Masters. He's playing the Open, the British Open at Port Rush. Home game. Oakmont is the hardest course I've ever seen, so you better be really good if you plan to win there. By the way, I don't know if you guys have ever been, but of all the media day courses, by about the eighth hole, you can't wait to get back to your muni.
- [146:07]
Dan Katz
Okay.
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Chris Berman
So what an interesting setup. I I here's one thing about Scott. So you don't want to go to Tiger yet because geez, do we talk about Tiger to Jack. This was a little early even in Tiger's run to go Jack. But where are you going? Is he Arnie. Right. So he's still underappreciated.
- [146:31]
Dan Katz
I know.
- [146:32]
Chris Berman
After the pga. Okay. But here's an observation that I thought of knowing I was going to talk to you guys today and the PGA would come up. Up. He won the Travelers last year of one of his seven. Like I said, I think he won nine worldwide and President's cup and Gold etc for the Travelers. You might remember, you know, signature event there were they we had the little thing on 18, but that's not the point. And he got in a playoff with Tom, Kim Friend and Batia was also in the last threesome. Was in it, but by then not really, but close. And I'm looking at these three guys because Travelers here in in Hartford. I do the trophy honors afterwards. So I'm dialed in there. Now here's Scotty at six foot three. Now we have a playoff with the two of them with Kim and Scotty. Here's Scotty at six foot three dot here's Kim Short, which by the way, golfers come in all shapes and sizes. Look at the three of us.
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PFT Commenter
It's proof, right?
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Chris Berman
And and Batia, the next stiff wind is going to blow him into the sand and I'm not knocking him. I mean, my God, I like to be that skinny, right? Yeah, but by the way, you could really have fun with But Patia, Patia, that's all folks. But never mind. It's actually debut right here.
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PFT Commenter
That's a good one.
- [147:54]
Dan Katz
That's a great one.
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Chris Berman
Never mind or bug funny. I can't believe I said that. At any rate, then Kim goes in the bunker. So Scotty has a two putt to win with. No sweat. Just trundle it down. Kind of like this bogey up by five. Oh, he won by four, but who cares, right? And I'm thinking this is like the old movies where there was a pie fight or let alone a gun duel and the knight in white armor is standing unscathed and everyone else goes down one by one. And as I'm watching yesterday or at this time when we're taping it, oh is Levy's tied with Rom or you know, here Bryson and here's maybe one of the other two. Then all of a sudden he wins by four. Anyway, it's like He's. This stuff's flying around and he's there like, no bullet ain't gonna hit me. No pie is gonna dirty this nice white suit. And I know that seems crazy, but being at the event, unlike yesterday when I watched like, you tv, I was like, this guy. Wow. It's just something about his demeanor. He's not. I mean, Tiger was Tiger. I mean, we don't have to go to Jack and Arnie. We know what they were. Phil flamboyant with the way he played, the shots he invented, etc. Scotty. Rory bombs it. Does Scotty hit it just about as long probably. Now, I don't know that, but maybe not quite as Rory's. Unbelievable. Right? But so Scotty name what he does unbelievably better than anyone else except everything. You know what I'm saying?
- [149:41]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [149:42]
Chris Berman
He's not. This is him. Here's swashbuckling, here's. He's so impervious to. Oh, my God, he's going to lose this. No, he's not. It's unbelievable how he does it, isn't it?
- [149:56]
Dan Katz
Yeah, it is. It really is. He makes it look easy.
- [149:58]
PFT Commenter
One of the. One of the craziest stats that I saw this week was that Scotty Scheffler, he's right now, I think. How long is this that he's been ranked number one? 82nd time, 82nd consecutive week.
- [150:11]
Dan Katz
Week.
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PFT Commenter
Being ranked number one in the world to bring it up to a total of 116 weeks. 116 weeks is what Scotty Scheffler has been ranked number one at Tiger woods has 683 weeks. So he would need to be ranked number one in the world every week for the next, what, 10 plus years?
- [150:31]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [150:31]
PFT Commenter
To catch what Tiger did.
- [150:33]
Dan Katz
Right.
- [150:34]
PFT Commenter
Just unbelievable.
- [150:34]
Dan Katz
It's crazy.
- [150:35]
Chris Berman
But conversely, how many are in the hundreds? Admittedly, they didn't have, you know, when. When even Nicholas and Palmer, I mean, I don't know that they had that then. They certainly didn't when Byron Nelson, just to pick up a name, or Sam Steed, who won more than anybody else played. So. But how many are in the hundreds? Not many.
- [150:57]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [150:58]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I think Tiger's got the number one and number two all time rankings for the longest streaks being ranked number one one.
- [151:05]
Dan Katz
It's crazy.
- [151:06]
PFT Commenter
Absolutely insane to think about.
- [151:08]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [151:08]
Chris Berman
Greg Norman might be a name that I don't know about a hundred. I. We'd have to look it up. Interesting.
- [151:15]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [151:15]
PFT Commenter
Norman got up to 96 weeks.
- [151:17]
Chris Berman
Okay.
- [151:18]
PFT Commenter
I believe. Yeah. So, yeah, pretty close And Swan, one thing we love about you is you're. You're such a football fan. Even though it's the offseason. I know that you've been thinking about football through the draft, through free agency, through the schedules coming out for next season.
- [151:33]
Chris Berman
What.
- [151:33]
PFT Commenter
What are you thinking about the most? What are you looking forward to the Most in the 2025 football season?
- [151:39]
Chris Berman
That's a good. You know, here we are. It's not any that, you know, last year we had all the quarterbacks picked at the top and you're wearing a Doug Williams shirt, so obviously your quarterback. Now you're. Washington is on 8 million times in primetime, whereas the year before.
- [151:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [151:55]
Chris Berman
Why are they on? Right. What am I looking forward to the most? I mean, what Philly did was pretty darn strong. I mean, that was. I mean, we don't even need to rehash it. That was from the beginning. It was. Whoa. Okay. This is going to be trouble for the Chiefs, however. All right, you know what? I'll give you one. It's kind of obvious, but is this the year Buffalo somehow avoids Kansas City in the playoffs? I don't know what that means. It means someone would have to lose or somebody. I don't hope nobody gets hurt, I. E. Josh, I.e. patrick, etc. But somehow they don't meet. And then how does that flush out? By the way, I only thought of it today. Not even though. That the Eagles are the champs. God, they play week two right at Kansas City, right out of the gates.
- [152:52]
Dan Katz
Yep.
- [152:53]
Chris Berman
Which. I don't know what that'll decide. Not a lot. The chief. You know, the Bills are the only team. Again, it sounds like. All I'm worried about is Buffalo. I'm not. The Bills are the only team to make, you know, to get the four in a row. Admittedly, they didn't win any. Chiefs could get the four in a row even though they didn't win last year and we were true. They were trying to win three in a row now.
- [153:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [153:11]
Chris Berman
Philly could get the three out of four.
- [153:13]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [153:14]
Chris Berman
As we discussed last year. That's a short list. Getting to three out of four. So. But then where. Who are the Washingtons this year? I don't know. What do you guys think? Who are. It's hard in May to say. Well, I'm just telling you. Atlanta with Pennix, for example. I'm not saying that's a team. Like what. What are the teams that are the Rams Much better. I mean, they gave every time in the playoffs. They're a tough Outer. They better. I'm talking about a team. Of course, Washington was not on the playoff radar. What's that team? Because we know like five or six of them don't go back to the playoffs.
- [153:55]
PFT Commenter
So I've got a. I've got an answer. It's kind of a cheap answer, but the 49ers. Yeah, they might get healthy. If they say healthy this year, I wouldn't bet against them making the playoffs.
- [154:07]
Dan Katz
Yeah, I got an answer. That's a little. I'm still working on it. I think the Giants are going to be better than people think. And I don't know what's going to happen with Jackson Dart, but like Brian Dable, good quarterback coach, if you can get just enough, I think that defense is going to be elite. Their, their defensive line has just monsters on it. So I think they might be one of those teams where, you know, maybe they're not playoffs, but they're, you know, go jump up to 7, 8, 9 wins and it's like, oh, look, they're. They're not. You look at the schedule this time of year and you're like, like, all right, that's a win. That's a win. I don't think the Giants are going to be a. That's a win team.
- [154:43]
Chris Berman
Well, I think you're right. Of course. Now we think Dallas, healthy quarterback, along with Philly and Washington. Like, that's a tough climb with those six games.
- [154:55]
Dan Katz
Absolutely.
- [154:56]
Chris Berman
And they go two and four. That would be a win for what you just said. Who else? You know, is there room to move? Well, we know the NFC is, is tougher and, and overall. Right, because obviously the, the Central. I still call it the. The Norris Division, you know, but the Bears lost a lot of games that they're going to be better. But the other three teams are also Minnesota, Detroit's going to be them. Green Bay is going to be good. Very good. Again, so hard to move. So the Bears have a much better record again. They got to play those teams. The west is. I agree with San Francisco. They either missed the playoffs or they get to at least the championship game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're going to be good. The Rams are going to be good. Don't overlook Seattle, Arizona, I don't know, but let's just say two and a half teams in that division South. Well, that's the opening, right? Like, could, but it won't be. It's a little early for the Panther, you know what I'm saying? So, so, so in the afc, where Miami fell and the jets fell and will they be back or back the Jets Will Miami be or or can the Patriots move like the giants to your point 7 and 10 we still don't know who Pittsburgh's quarterback is in that division. We think the Bengals will be won't start out one and four whatever the hell they always do the Browns I.
- [156:35]
Dan Katz
Mean I sad good luck.
- [156:39]
Chris Berman
Yeah yeah he's a good coach. He got a coach with one hand tied behind his back.
- [156:46]
Dan Katz
Very good coach. Yeah.
- [156:49]
Chris Berman
You know we know Baltimore, you know we haven't brought them up as usual. Right. I actually looked at knowing I was doing this show and again analyze the schedules I kind of just looked at the upper echelon off of last year I looked at Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore just real quick like a half hour ago just it seems like Baltimore schedule is they play the good teams on the road and the others have more of the good teams at home again that doesn't ensure anything but they're going to be formidable. At what point does is this a year for Lamar but again it all depends on the Chiefs but somehow the Chiefs and the Bills will miss each other in the playoffs. What does that mean?
- [157:33]
PFT Commenter
I like that. I like that as a Bills fan you're you're thinking okay well we've tried to take the bad man out. It hasn't worked worked for us. Maybe somebody else just does it for us. Maybe Lamar gets maybe Lamar elevates his game becomes a playoff quarterback and then we don't have to worry about Patrick Mahomes. That that would be a better formula.
- [157:51]
Chris Berman
Could be or something else where the Bengals just beat the Chiefs which they have. Right So I betting against the Chiefs would be foolish too. I'm not claiming the Bills will get there because they won't play the Chief. That's why we talk about it in May.
- [158:09]
Dan Katz
Yeah even talking about it has me yeah even talking about it has has me juiced up just football in May. All right I I Schwab I got one last question for you and again congratulations we love you and and it's awesome and we're we're so pumped for you to be able to still get to watch you for another five years here my last question rollback question R H O b a c k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts roback.com promo code take my last question is this in the off season? Do you ever catch yourself Maybe it's in the shower maybe it's in the car Just Throwing a quick whoop just to make sure you still got it. Cause you're like, I don't know. I haven't done it in a few months. Do I still have it? Just to do you just test to make sure that it's still there?
- [159:00]
Chris Berman
That's a better question than you think. And I'll tell you why. Because I do go to Hawaii after the Super Bowl. I live there part time. I mean, you know, I get. Go get about eight week whatever. And I don't do the draft the first time. I even put a tie on after I. From the Super Bowls. How do you tie this? So week one now I do that. The hall of Fame at Canton. So that's a different deal. But other than showing up at the ESPYs, I kind of started Canton the way it is now and the way it's been the last eight, nine years. Primarily mini. ESPN needs me for something. I'm here. Some big football matter. Can you come in in two hours? Yes, I'll be in. You know, but week one is. Why? It's this really intelligent question.
- [159:46]
PFT Commenter
Intelligent question.
- [159:47]
Chris Berman
Yeah, I'll have it. I know I'm really stepping out now, right? But. But week one, that's when I know how to do it. We know how to drive a car. It's not all of a sudden a stick ship that you rented in Europe. And it's like, find them, grind them. Week one, you go in, it's like, do I. Did I bring my little earpiece? Did I remember to bring my three or four tie? Cause I always am a game time decision, by the way. Way I always bring three or four and decide about 20 minutes before we go on. Okay, that's the one. Tonight gotta. You gotta have a game time decision. Yeah, I have little butterflies. Not nervous, but it's not so much texting, the whoop. Although I might drink grapefruit juice week one, but better for the throat than orange juice in the morning. Okay, been a little better. Little citric acid action. So I don't practice the whoop in the shower, in the car, I blast music. To quote. I remember Joe Torrey telling me this, and it's kind of the answer. And at that point when he was managing, but he told me how many opening days it was. I had them opening day a few times, you know, and I went, joe, it's opening. You know, opening day. You've been as a player and as a manager. Whatever the number was.35. I mean, whatever it was, Boomer, I don't care who you are. If you don't have a couple of butterflies in your stomach on opening day, there's something wrong with you, and I never forgot that. It's not. Can I speak? It's not. Can I tie a tie? It's not. He could go all the way. I'll probably come up with it. But it's week one. You ain't as good as you thought you were because you haven't been doing it lately. Yeah, you got this every day or two. I used to be on the air every day. Didn't make me good, but it made me. I just did this yesterday. I mean, what's the problem, right? Well, the problem is you haven't done it for six months. So there are some days that. Okay, week one, let's give them everything we got in the garage. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe you haven't checked some of the toys out late, right? Yeah, probably not. We might give you a ta. Batia. That's awful. But we give you 12 of them.
- [162:24]
PFT Commenter
Right?
- [162:24]
Chris Berman
But I. You know, and you'll see when. If and when you ever get to the point where you're still a regular, but for whatever reason, I know you can't imagine not doing this every day, and neither can your. Your fans. But butterflies, Opening day, Joe Tory. Who would know better than him, right?
- [162:42]
PFT Commenter
It's a privilege. It's a privilege to feel those butterflies.
- [162:45]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [162:45]
PFT Commenter
I got one last one for you. Boom. Because every year we have. You know, when we do our recaps of the games as a tribute to you, we talk about Jameis Winston. And when we bring up James Winston's name, we put him in the Eagles song. We put him in Take It Easy. Stand on the corner, Jameis Winston. Kaya Hogan is what it was last year on the Browns. Now he's on the Giants. So we had a couple ideas. We want to get your feedback. Or maybe you've got something else. We were thinking standing on the corner, Jameis Winston down in Soho, or standing on the corner, Jameis Winston and Hoboken.
- [163:17]
Chris Berman
Hoboken. Well, there's a. There's a. There's a thought. Hoboken, Soho. I go to Warren Zevon, which is before your time. Really?
- [163:30]
PFT Commenter
Oh, yeah.
- [163:31]
Chris Berman
Werewolves of London. So that. It's a different Soho. It's a London Soho. So that put me off the track for a minute. Well, either works, because you want him to represent New York. And it's funny, Jameis, I know you love him on your show. I ran into him New Orleans in dinner and eating the next table and we had a couple of chuckles and I've told you we love him and I know you got to know him.
- [163:54]
Dan Katz
He's.
- [163:54]
Chris Berman
He's so enjoyable. But not a but. He's one of the most exciting players in the league and here's why I think we've talked about it maybe off the year Bill Walsh once described Steve Deburd not a bad quarterback as. And I, and I taken this to Jamis giving Bill Walsh credit. He keeps both teams in the game.
- [164:16]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [164:17]
Chris Berman
I mean that's. As a he's must see. I mean I don't know the Giants. I don't know what they're. I mean the rookie and two vets. Like who knows how that plays out, right. Is that a trade? I don't know.
- [164:33]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, they might.
- [164:34]
Chris Berman
Nobody gets hurt August 10th. You know what I mean?
- [164:37]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I think he would probably be one of the first calls if you have a starter that goes down. At least I hope he would.
- [164:42]
Chris Berman
Yeah. I mean I. When you think they. I mean they got to go go Russell. I mean what. I mean how do we think the Giants start the year at quarterback? Not the rookie yet.
- [164:51]
PFT Commenter
I think it's probably going to go Russell Wilson.
- [164:53]
Chris Berman
I would think so.
- [164:54]
PFT Commenter
But if it's, if it's a truly open competition, it could be James.
- [164:58]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Should be Jamis.
- [165:01]
Chris Berman
Well, unless Sierra things the national anthem.
- [165:05]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
- [165:06]
Dan Katz
True. That's true.
- [165:06]
PFT Commenter
So what I'm hearing from you is. Is staying on the corner. Jameis Winston Hoboken. Such a fine sight to see.
- [165:11]
Dan Katz
I like that.
- [165:12]
PFT Commenter
That you like that.
- [165:13]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [165:14]
Chris Berman
Hoboken. You going?
- [165:15]
PFT Commenter
I think so.
- [165:16]
Dan Katz
Unless you, you, you know what? If you think of one, you text.
- [165:18]
Chris Berman
Us standing on the court it's it that Hoboken making an Eagle song is a pretty good left hand turn. Black bed for that has a flat.
- [165:31]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Yeah.
- [165:32]
Chris Berman
Which reminds me of again the port the fumble by Joe Pisarczyk. Herm Edwards, you know the miracle in the Meadowlands not far from Hoboken instead of Broadway Joe. Poor Joe Pisarczyk. They called him Patterson Plank Joe. You know, like.
- [165:51]
Dan Katz
Yeah, yeah.
- [165:54]
Chris Berman
But Hoboken, there's a ring to it.
- [165:57]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [165:57]
Chris Berman
It'd be the only one including that in a song.
- [166:01]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [166:02]
Dan Katz
I like it. All right.
- [166:02]
PFT Commenter
We'll continue be considered.
- [166:04]
Dan Katz
Yeah, yeah, we'll continue.
- [166:06]
PFT Commenter
We'll continue to consider.
- [166:07]
Dan Katz
Yeah, we'll. We'll. We'll throw any other ideas we have have off you Schwam. You're the best though. We love you and thank you for coming on and congrats again, very well deserved. And we can't wait for the. For the 50th party. We're going to be there no matter what.
- [166:21]
Chris Berman
Well, maybe we'll join in the middle of the year or something. We. We know we got the end of the year. Whatever you want. Yeah, I can't wait to hear what you come up with in your Monday morning. I tell you, if it's great, it's on tv and I give full credit.
- [166:37]
Dan Katz
You know that's true. All right, well, thanks so much, Swan. We'll talk to you later.
- [166:42]
Chris Berman
All right, guys, Have a great spring and summer. Work on the golf when you can sneak it in.
- [166:46]
Dan Katz
Yes. All right.
- [166:47]
PFT Commenter
Sounds good. Thanks. Boom.
- [166:51]
Dan Katz
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- [167:58]
Hank Lockwood
Dan.
- [168:01]
Dan Katz
Those shoes look small.
- [168:03]
Hank Lockwood
Small?
- [168:03]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Black shoes always look small.
- [168:05]
PFT Commenter
Slimming.
- [168:08]
Dan Katz
Your shoes look small.
- [168:09]
Hank Lockwood
Ten and a half.
- [168:10]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [168:10]
Hank Lockwood
Not the biggest, not the smallest. Same when I was younger, my brother was a size 12, and I tried to convince myself for, like, a couple.
- [168:16]
PFT Commenter
Years walking around with clown shoes.
- [168:18]
Dan Katz
You White Sox. David.
- [168:19]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah, yeah.
- [168:21]
Dan Katz
FAQs.
- [168:22]
Hank Lockwood
Hey there, men.
- [168:23]
Dan Katz
And loser.
- [168:24]
Hank Lockwood
Henry.
- [168:24]
PFT Commenter
Oh, no. That's mean. That's mean. Bad start.
- [168:26]
Dan Katz
Hank. How are you doing now that we're a few days removed?
- [168:30]
Hank Lockwood
I'm fine. It, you know, it gets easier as time passes, but once the east finals, like the conference finals start, I'll probably be sad watching the games.
- [168:39]
PFT Commenter
You don't sound fine.
- [168:40]
Hank Lockwood
I'm fine.
- [168:41]
Max
You're on a golf.
- [168:43]
Dan Katz
You're on to golf.
- [168:44]
Hank Lockwood
We talk. I'm always like, I've never been off of golf.
- [168:47]
Max
Right, but you're on to golf.
- [168:49]
Dan Katz
But you're on to golf.
- [168:50]
Hank Lockwood
Less distractions.
- [168:50]
PFT Commenter
Sure.
- [168:51]
Hank Lockwood
But. But yeah, I will be watching the same amount of ball and playing the same amount of golf.
- [168:56]
PFT Commenter
Would you say that there's less distractions from your distraction so you can focus on your distraction?
- [169:01]
Hank Lockwood
Well, that's the thing. As I said, I realized it's really not true. Like, I will. I will. I will watch every game and I will play the same amount of golf. So in that sense.
- [169:09]
Dan Katz
But. But maybe there's a. Maybe there's a Easter Conference final game that starts at 7pm and you're like, man, I'm having the round of my life. Life now you don't have to go home and be home at 7:00pm yeah. It's.
- [169:20]
Hank Lockwood
Wash the first half from the clubhouse.
- [169:22]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Love that for you.
- [169:24]
Hank Lockwood
Whatever. Now you don't.
- [169:27]
Dan Katz
I do love that you get love to golf.
- [169:29]
Hank Lockwood
Thank you. I love you for loving that. I love to golf.
- [169:33]
Dan Katz
Wow. Love fest.
- [169:34]
Hank Lockwood
I love love. We talked about that. What is your I've reached a summit moment in your life, Something you are hoping to achieve or have already achieved. Love you all, and thanks. Thank you.
- [169:43]
PFT Commenter
Oh, I mean, I don't want to say something that I've already done because that implies that it's all downhill from here.
- [169:50]
Dan Katz
Peaked.
- [169:50]
PFT Commenter
But it probably is. Like, I'm 40. I'm a man. Yeah.
- [169:53]
Hank Lockwood
I mean, I had no right being on the duck boat. I didn't deserve it. I didn't, like, Wasn't like an achievement that I worked hard and, and, and reached that goal, but it was that. That was it. Don't tell yourself it will be all downhill from there. And that's all right.
- [170:05]
Dan Katz
I think Barstow getting purchased was definitely there. Buying a house. I was late to buying a house, but bought a house.
- [170:13]
PFT Commenter
Getting a house is cool.
- [170:14]
Dan Katz
That was very cool.
- [170:16]
PFT Commenter
Playing Freebird. Playing the Freebird solo.
- [170:19]
Dan Katz
That's very.
- [170:19]
Hank Lockwood
That's gonna be it.
- [170:20]
PFT Commenter
Something that I've worked for. I mean, on stage with my brother. It was a pretty cool moment.
- [170:23]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Going to the sphere. Kind of reached that summit big time.
- [170:28]
PFT Commenter
Stanley cup winning night in Vegas with the cup is. That's a tough one to beat.
- [170:33]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [170:35]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [170:36]
Dan Katz
Being anywhere near the Stanley cup is pretty sweet.
- [170:38]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Do you think anyone's ever.
- [170:41]
Dan Katz
The Cup, the cup has watched someone.
- [170:44]
PFT Commenter
Oh, I'd say like hundreds of people. Yeah.
- [170:48]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Max, what's your Summit? Max? Turning 30 this weekend. Yep. So huge.
- [170:55]
Max
Partying with the Eagles after the Super Bowl.
- [170:57]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [170:57]
Max
The Mount Joy concert was. Was a big, like, what. What am I doing here?
- [171:01]
PFT Commenter
That was pretty fun.
- [171:02]
Chris Berman
Yeah.
- [171:03]
Max
They have a new album coming out this weekend.
- [171:07]
PFT Commenter
My summit was John Summit when he was on Pardon My y. I guess I'm just a bigger John Summit fan than you.
- [171:12]
Dan Katz
Max Facts.
- [171:14]
Hank Lockwood
Big Catla Williams fan. PF Caps Shank. If we see an awl in the wild, what's our calling card? What do we say to acknowledge the other?
- [171:26]
PFT Commenter
We don't say that anymore. We don't say anymore.
- [171:28]
Dan Katz
Just what's up.
- [171:29]
PFT Commenter
Also, I want to compliment the. The awls out there because there were a lot of them at the Caps game. All very well behaved. I was around my mom. Not one person said the thing that we don't say anymore. And I appreciate.
- [171:41]
Dan Katz
Yeah, they've done a really good job of, like, whether it be. Yeah, a long time ago, but like the Max Homa pervert stuff where you were able to stop that, like, good job. You could. You know what you could say? Do you think memes will ever get it? That's a good one.
- [171:58]
PFT Commenter
And then the other guy says, no, no chance.
- [172:01]
Dan Katz
No way will he ever get it. That's a good one. Yeah, that's the inside. You know, baseball. Like, oh, memes won't get it.
- [172:07]
PFT Commenter
Or just say, hey, what's up, Pug?
- [172:09]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [172:11]
Hank Lockwood
A bunch of my friends are starting to listen and to really enjoy pmt, but they can't understand the booth. And we. My awl friends tried to explain to them that it used to just be Hank, but then they asked what Hank does golf, which is funny to try and explain. They get Max and memes, but they don't understand Shane slash Pug. They think they are the same person.
- [172:32]
Dan Katz
Very different people. Pug does the YouTube edits. Shane creates incredible A's in the graphic department. No Chain does our graphics. Pug does our YouTube. Memes and Max obviously are in here while we're recording. Jack Wiper is our. Our new guy. He harasses us for ads. And Hank does a lot. I don't. I don't want. I don't want people to be sullying Hank here.
- [172:57]
PFT Commenter
I don't know where they get the idea that all Hank does this golf from.
- [173:00]
Dan Katz
I really don't.
- [173:01]
Hank Lockwood
I know. It's crazy.
- [173:02]
PFT Commenter
It's like a narrative that's run away.
- [173:03]
Dan Katz
It's crazy.
- [173:04]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, Hank is. We're playing Friday, right?
- [173:06]
Dan Katz
Hank's my most trusted guy.
- [173:08]
Hank Lockwood
He's 10, 10, 11, 10.
- [173:09]
Dan Katz
He's got. Hank's an Ideas guy. He's, he's got the pulse of the nation.
- [173:14]
Hank Lockwood
Just working behind the scenes. It's one of those things. You don't want to have it defined because then.
- [173:18]
Dan Katz
Right, because then someone might be like, hey, you're not doing much.
- [173:22]
PFT Commenter
Move in silence.
- [173:23]
Hank Lockwood
Listen, I take care of business.
- [173:25]
Dan Katz
But yes, there was a long time where Hank was, was the sole proprietor of the booth. He was doing it all.
- [173:32]
Hank Lockwood
I miss it sometimes.
- [173:33]
Dan Katz
No, you don't. So then go do it. Do it for Max and Memes.
- [173:36]
Chris Berman
One day.
- [173:37]
Hank Lockwood
I edited the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Our sound guy, me.
- [173:39]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
- [173:41]
Dan Katz
A couple years ago.
- [173:44]
Hank Lockwood
I would, I.
- [173:44]
Max
Mean, first time, the Eagles were, well, not the first time, but Chiefs. The first Chiefs, Eagle, Super Bowl.
- [173:49]
Dan Katz
Why don't you do. Yeah, why don't you, why don't you do it? Just, just one random time. Just be like, hey, you know what? I got it tonight, boys.
- [173:54]
Hank Lockwood
Get out of here. I would actually like to, because I don't ask him. I have to ask a million questions.
- [173:59]
Dan Katz
You've learned the ability to do it or you've lost the ability to do it?
- [174:03]
Hank Lockwood
No, but there's just more at back end and, and I don't know, I, I, you can figure. Yeah, if I, if I had to, if the boost disappeared, I, I could make it work.
- [174:11]
PFT Commenter
But yet I'd like to give you the keys to the socials for like three days. Hank weekend.
- [174:18]
Hank Lockwood
Hank. Hank early week.
- [174:21]
PFT Commenter
Hank Monday.
- [174:22]
Dan Katz
No, but it is crazy because like just the Twitter, the beginning of the podcast, we didn't have YouTube, we didn't have a video for a lot of our interviews. Now we've gotten a full team and the guys are awesome. They're, they're, they like keep it running. Like when we leave on a Sunday night after a football Sunday, we leave it like midnight or one o' clock. They're here till five in the morning, so shout out those guys.
- [174:49]
Hank Lockwood
Hey guys, was wondering, since you are the number one sports podcast and have so many people listen, do you ever think about the amount of famous people, SL athletes that listen to the show and their reactions to the things you say? I feel like the idea of a pro athlete laughing along while listening to you guys guys troll each other or hear you guys talk about one of their teammates has got to be pretty surreal.
- [175:07]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [175:07]
PFT Commenter
The teammate part I sometimes think about like when we're really, when we're getting deep into it and we're laying into somebody and they're like laughing at it and they have to stop themselves because they're like, oh, that's actually my good friend and teammate they're making fun of.
- [175:21]
Dan Katz
Yeah, I, I just have more of like when someone says they listen. Like when we had Pablo Tori on, he's like, smiley. Yeah. That I'm just like, why? Like, what, what are you doing?
- [175:31]
PFT Commenter
I think with Pablo, it's important to hear how bad podcast can be so he knows what to avoid.
- [175:36]
Dan Katz
But I still get a little, like, it still gets me a little excited. Even retired guys. Even when like our, our guy Yans will text me, being like, oh, that was amazing. I'm like, oh, yes. I made Yens laugh. That's cool. That's awesome.
- [175:48]
Hank Lockwood
And I definitely think there's a, A phenomena, not phenomenon, but just like there's a lot of guys that are now professional athletes that, you know, when they're just high school or college, like, grinding, it's not weird for them to listen to podcasts. It's just weird that now they're as famous as they are.
- [176:02]
Dan Katz
But it is awesome. Like, it never loses, it never loses the awesomeness factor where if someone says they listen, I'm just like, that's awesome. But also, why you gotta have better things to do.
- [176:13]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [176:13]
Hank Lockwood
No, I mean, I, I have always been in. I think it works about denial about the listeners.
- [176:19]
Dan Katz
Yeah. You can't think about it. You can't think about the amount of people listen because it will you up bad.
- [176:24]
Hank Lockwood
Yeah.
- [176:24]
PFT Commenter
As far as I'm concerned, it's just us.
- [176:26]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [176:27]
PFT Commenter
And then somehow everybody else finds out.
- [176:29]
Dan Katz
Yeah. It definitely will mess with your head because it's like, I don't think it would mess with my head if we were, if I were smarter, but it messes my head because like, oh, this many people heard me say something really stupid. Ah, that's sucks. That's the part.
- [176:46]
PFT Commenter
I think it would always mess with your head, though. But if you're like, if you think about, if you're smart and the amount of.
- [176:52]
Hank Lockwood
I get worried with. I, I was sarcastic. Like, the amount of sarcasm and just like laying on thick with people, like they might. A lot of. And I know a lot of fans, like, they'll get seriously upset about it. I'm like, is there like a athlete.
- [177:02]
Dan Katz
That'S like, yeah, yeah.
- [177:03]
Hank Lockwood
What a idiot.
- [177:05]
Dan Katz
No, I mean, everyone thinks we're idiots, but that's the beauty of it, because we are. Yeah. We don't, we don't run from it.
- [177:11]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [177:13]
Dan Katz
We run into it.
- [177:14]
Hank Lockwood
We run into the marines of idiots.
- [177:16]
Dan Katz
We're the first responders of idiots.
- [177:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [177:18]
Dan Katz
If there's a problem. We'll be there saying dumb.
- [177:24]
Hank Lockwood
Do you guys ever get FOMO when you don't immediately record? Max talked about a little bit with Hanky. Celtics losing bang bang and not recording after any games. But other stuff like LeBron, Stephen A. Or big trade news. Is there anything you really wish you recorded right after?
- [177:36]
Dan Katz
Yes.
- [177:36]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, we changed up how we do 4th of July week because of the NBA trade deadline.
- [177:40]
Dan Katz
Yeah. But there's definitely not when there's. When something big happens on like a Monday afternoon, I'm like, we gotta wait, you know, or something happens on like a Friday night that does always give me a little FOMO that we're not. We're not recording right then.
- [177:57]
PFT Commenter
Well, it's also because stuff is going to happen over the weekend, so by the time Monday morning comes around.
- [178:02]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [178:02]
PFT Commenter
We can't react to the same news on Friday like we would if it had just broken.
- [178:06]
Dan Katz
Yeah. Big time.
- [178:09]
Hank Lockwood
That's it.
- [178:10]
Dan Katz
Oh, great job, Hank.
- [178:12]
Hank Lockwood
Thanks.
- [178:13]
Dan Katz
Just. We love love. We love each other. Yeah. Well, being around each other so much.
- [178:21]
PFT Commenter
Who would be your plus one to Belichick's wedding if you can only choose one?
- [178:27]
Hank Lockwood
I don't know. I have to go back. Tiff.
- [178:34]
Chris Berman
Oh.
- [178:36]
Dan Katz
The tootsies show. The tootsies. Tiff. Should we. Jerry's here.
- [178:44]
Hank Lockwood
No.
- [178:47]
Dan Katz
Jerry bing bong. And Hank randomly. Just the bing bong button. Okay. Good show, boys. Great show. Big guess on Friday. Get excited before the long weekend. Let's do number three.
- [179:03]
PFT Commenter
That was like a three way tie.
- [179:05]
Dan Katz
Oh, man. I think you guys have to do odds or evens for this.
- [179:11]
Max
Just say it again.
- [179:13]
Dan Katz
No, no, no memes. Max and Hank, all you guys. 1, 2, 3, shoot. Throw out a 1 or a 2. I'll throw it high. I'll take odds three. No. What? No. Throw out a 1 or a two over your head. All right, Max, pick one or two. No. Shut up, Hank. You pick one. You know, pick three. No, it's not.
- [179:30]
Paul Bissonette
It's.
- [179:30]
Dan Katz
You throw out a one or a two. Yeah. So that one of them's gonna pick one. One of them's gonna pick. All right. All right.
- [179:36]
PFT Commenter
That counts as odds.
- [179:37]
Dan Katz
3, 2, 1, shoot.
- [179:40]
PFT Commenter
3, 3, 1.
- [179:42]
Dan Katz
All right, so Max gets three memes. Got you. Oh, memes. Or you got. Got by Hank. Getting it back. Okay, I'll take. What was your second number? You would pick. I don't know. I'm gonna punch his computer if it's three. Okay, dude, things are good right now.
- [179:58]
PFT Commenter
Let me go 95.
- [180:00]
Dan Katz
I'm gonna go 57.
- [180:05]
PFT Commenter
6.
- [180:06]
Dan Katz
999, 44, 55, 21.
- [180:20]
Hank Lockwood
Come on, 3.
- [180:22]
Dan Katz
Come on. 53. Oh, damn. What was yours? Wiper. 55.
- [180:30]
PFT Commenter
Ah.
- [180:30]
Hank Lockwood
55.
- [180:31]
Dan Katz
Ah.
- [180:32]
Max
He's the next person that needs to get it.
- [180:33]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, he's gonna get it before memes. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
- [180:36]
Dan Katz
Yeah.
- [180:37]
PFT Commenter
Memes just set, dad. It's just sad at this point. I guessed it for you, then I got it again on my own.
- [180:44]
Chris Berman
It's true.
- [180:44]
Dan Katz
Right in your face, Nick and six.
- [180:47]
Chris Berman
Love you guys.