Scott Van Pelt Live From Augusta, Rory Wins An Incredible Masters, NBA Playoffs Set, Who's Back And Monday Reading

Summary

Pardon My Take: Episode Summary – April 14, 2025

Hosted by Big Cat & PFT Commenter

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1. Masters Tournament Recap

The episode kicks off with an exhilarating recap of the 2025 Masters Tournament, where Rory McIlroy triumphantly completes the Career Grand Slam by winning Augusta National. Big Cat [03:00] and PFT Commenter [05:30] delve deep into Rory's tumultuous final round, highlighting his remarkable resilience and emotional journey.

• Rory's Performance and Challenges:

  • Big Cat: “[03:53]…Rory exercised every single demon with that insanely schizophrenic final 18 because he went… I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone more relieved, happy to win a golf tournament than Rory McIlroy when he won the Masters.”
  • Hank: “[05:30] Rory might be his own biggest hater. That’s why I’m kind of okay with how it turned out. Rory loves to choke himself out.”

• Emotional Rollercoaster:

  • The hosts discuss Rory’s fluctuating performance, marked by six birdies, three bogeys, and two double bogeys [03:53], illustrating his capacity to "choke and then unchoke" under immense pressure.

• Scott Van Pelt’s Observations:

  • Scott Van Pelt joins live from Augusta [92:03], providing insights into Rory's mental state. He notes, “[95:50]…what he was trying to process in real time…It was like a boulder on his back.”

• Caddies and Markers at Augusta:

  • The role of the marker, Michael McDermott, is highlighted [29:12], emphasizing his discreet yet crucial presence on the course. The conversation touches on previous markers like Jeff Knox and their interactions with top players.

• Notable Moments:

  • Shot on 15: Rory’s dramatic chip shot from the water hazard is lauded as “a shot of a lifetime” [107:40].
  • Final Putt: The tension surrounding Rory's final putt is dissected, with PFT Commenter reflecting on the psychological weight Rory carries [95:50].

2. NBA Playoffs Set

Transitioning from golf to basketball, Big Cat and Hank discuss the NBA Playoffs' seeding and their predictions.

• Eastern Conference Highlights:

  • Big Cat: “[37:53] The Cavs are the one seed… Celtics are the two seed…”
  • Hank: Expresses skepticism about the playoff format, labeling it a “ploy” by team owners [40:38].

• Western Conference Insights:

  • Discussion includes teams like the Thunder, Warriors, Grizzlies, Lakers, and Clippers [43:19].
  • Big Cat: “[46:13] Jokic sealed a triple-double for the season… He said it’s nice. Pretty close.”

• Playoff Predictions:

  • Hank: “The Mavericks at 39 and 43 could get in over a 48 and 34 team. You played 82 games. It’s stupid.”
  • Memes: Hopes for a Mavericks run, “that would be very, very funny to see.”

• Notable Player Performances:

  • Nikola Jokic: Achieves another triple-double, although doubts remain about his MVP chances due to Stephen A. Smith's popularity and voter fatigue [44:58].
  • LeBron James: Critiqued for unprofessional behavior during warm-ups, sparking discussions on NBA standards [46:20].

3. Who's Back of the Week

The segment “Who’s Back of the Week” spotlights returning figures making waves in their respective sports.

• Patty the Baddie:

  • Highlighted for his improved fighting skills and disciplined training regimen [66:38].
  • Memes: “He’s got so much improvement… He was ripped when first introduced.”

• Dunk Contest Anticipation:

  • Announcement of upcoming dunk contests featuring office members [68:15].
  • Memes: “We have flyers coming in the office. It’s going to be exciting.”

4. Monday Reading

Big Cat introduces a “Monday Reading” segment, sharing excerpts from John Grisham’s novel The Reckoning [26:57].

• Book Highlight:
  • An excerpt describing Pete Banning contemplating a fateful decision, underscoring themes of courage and consequence.

5. Funny and Personal Anecdotes

The hosts share personal experiences and humorous stories, adding a relatable and entertaining layer to the episode.

• Kidney Stones:

  • Both Big Cat and Hank recount their painful encounters with kidney stones, detailing the excruciating symptoms and hospital experiences [73:00].
  • Hank: “[73:08]…picked up by the urologist and figured it will all work its way out.”

• Interaction with Scott Van Pelt:

  • PFT Commenter discusses his friendship with Scott Van Pelt, highlighting shared moments and mutual respect [99:28].

6. Advertisements and Sponsor Segments

Throughout the episode, brief advertisements are interspersed, promoting services like Game Time for NBA tickets, Stella Blue Coffee, Battle Bars, Rollback.com, and TaxAct. These segments are seamlessly integrated without disrupting the content flow.

• Notable Ads:
  • DraftKings: Promoted during the Masters discussion [02:57].
  • Game Time App: Highlighted for securing NBA playoff tickets [37:53].
  • Stella Blue Coffee & Battle Bars: Featured in health and lifestyle promos [38:56].

7. Closing Remarks and Future Outlook

In the concluding segments, the hosts reflect on Rory McIlroy's victory and speculate on his future performances, likening his success to breaking free from past pressures.

• Rory’s Future Prospects:

  • Big Cat: “[112:40]…if he's going to do it one way, I'd rather this than having him win by six strokes and have it be a laugher.”
  • PFT Commenter: Believes Rory is poised for continued success without the burden of near-misses [97:26].

• Upcoming Events:

  • Anticipation builds for future Masters tournaments and potential interviews with Scott Van Pelt [124:04].

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Notable Quotes:

• Big Cat [03:53]: "Rory exercised every single demon with that insanely schizophrenic final 18… he did it."
• Hank [05:30]: "Rory might be his own biggest hater. That’s why I’m kind of okay with how it turned out."
• PFT Commenter [95:50]: "When you're in a group with people that are in black and white pictures that are gone from this earth… that’s the club."
• Scott Van Pelt [92:03]: "It was like a boulder on his back… he's carrying this around for more than 14 years."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Pardon My Take" delivered a comprehensive and engaging overview of Rory McIlroy's monumental Masters win, intertwined with insightful analysis of the NBA Playoffs and personal anecdotes from the hosts. The dynamic interplay between Big Cat and PFT Commenter, coupled with live insights from Scott Van Pelt, provided listeners with a rich and entertaining sports narrative that balances expert commentary with relatable humor.

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

I love that we got free golf. Yeah, that was. That was the perfect cap off to a great Masters. I wish we had more free golf. I wish the playoff went on. Credit to us for accurately picking what was going to happen at the end of this Masters or saying it was our wish only.

[Big Cat]

Almost exactly spot on with Whitney. I think the exact clip was, if Rory has a five foot putt to miss to go to a playoff, will you be rooting against him? And I said, yes, absolutely. And I was. And the hate. Listen, sometimes as a hater, you got to tip your cap and be like, we got bested today. The haters got bested. But I.

[Hank]

We'll come back stronger than ever. Though I think about the haters. The haters are remarkably resilient.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And I have no regrets, too, because there's. Golf is obviously an interesting sport to root for because it's not like you're rooting for your team. There's a bunch of guys, you have guys. You don't have guys. I would rather have a set of guys that I root for and a set of guys I hate than be like, I'm just rooting for whoever wins. And then when they win, I say, what a great story. Rory deserved it. I w. I was. I was hoping that Justin Rose is going to win in that playoff, but Rory exercised every single demon with that insanely schizophrenic final 18 because he went. I think he had six birdies, three bogeys, and two double bogeys. He choked multiple times, including on 18. And then he comes back and birdie's 18 and wins the Masters. So. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone more relieved, happy to win a golf tournament than Rory McElroy when he won the Masters.

[Hank]

So I think Rory might be his own biggest hater. That's the thing here. That's why I'm kind of okay with how it turned out. Rory loves to choke himself out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And it's like good Rory and bad Rory out there on the course. It's always like good Rory trying to fend off bad Rory for just long enough to make it work. Usually I. I feel like bad Rory is like six and three over good Rory. Yeah. And we saw bad Rory take it to a playoff against good Rory.

[Big Cat]

Even to start. He went double boge start. Yeah.

[Hank]

Bad Rory, he teed off on one, and good Rory was like, you. I'm not going to let you take over my day. Played pretty well. Then the nine happens.

[Big Cat]

Second.

[Hank]

N. Second. Oh, first. Sorry, can we bleep that out?

[Big Cat]

Bleep that out.

[Hank]

The second nine happens, and the patrons were all going up and down alongside Rory because I feel like most of them were cheering him on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And. But then the second you see some cracks in the armor, you get that little it. There's like almost excitement to see how is Rory going to choke this one out again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then on 16, he hit it in the water on maybe the easiest shot ever. And this, this, my friends, is why you should never lay up. Because Rory tried to play it safe. He laid up. They need a little chip shot into the water. If he hit that second shot with some balls and said it, I'm gonna try to win this thing. Then his second shot goes in the water, and then he takes the drop and he avoids the double bogey.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So he had that happen. He was probably pumped that Augusta doesn't allow cell phones and cameras out there. So. Yeah, nobody had any bad footage of it.

[Big Cat]

Didn't have to confiscate.

[Hank]

And then on 18, going into the bunker, and when he misses that putt, there was like a groundswell of excitement in the crowd, which is like we're witnessing history here. We're witnessing like nobody had thought that Rory could choke things away worse than he has in the past. This would be an all timer. What was that, a three footer?

[Big Cat]

Five. Five or six? It looked.

[Hank]

It looked three on tv. So then I feel like people started to get excited. I started to get excited to see another classic Rory choke job. But then I saw he's playing against Justin Rose in the playoffs, and if it was a guy that I felt strongly about one way or the other, I think I would have liked to see that person beat Rory. But with Justin Rose, it's like, oh.

[Big Cat]

We were, Hank and I were watching. We were still, we were still rooting against Rory. Justin Rose here. You, you should feel bad for Justin Rose. That's his third, second place at the Masters, the second time he's lost in a playoff. He lost to Sergio, Sergio in the, in the playoff at the Masters. And also Justin Rose had 10 birdies today. 10 birdies in his final round. And he lost.

[Memes]

And he missed. He just missed that short putt on 17.

[Big Cat]

I know there were so many incredible shots, both good and bad. It was just the best. It was the best. And I, like, I. So I was thinking about it because I was really bummed out when Rory had completed the 10th and I think he was four shots up. And I was like, this is going to suck. Going to be no drama. He's going to go on and win it. He didn't have to be pushed to that limit because like, Bryson just had a horrendous day. Sorry. Bryson D. Shambogi.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

As Skip Bayless calls him, had had a horrendous day. Was like a total non factor after the, like the fourth hole. And I was bummed because I wanted. If Rory was going to win the career grand slam, I wanted to see him push to the brink. So.

[Memes]

And he almost went in the water at 11. Yeah, that's when I was like, yeah, that was, that was when I thought, the first time, it's over. Yeah, he got it. 4 shot lead, avoided the water.

[Big Cat]

But the fact that Rory was pushed to the brink made me, even as a hater, I had to tip my cap and be like, that was incredible. Like the career achievement. He waited 11 years to win his next major. Last one was in 2014. He was, you know, he had the four shot lead in 2011. And I'm just happy that he got pushed and he choked and he unchoked. He choked and then he got like the shot of a lifetime on 15 was an insane shot. So I can, I can, I can lay my sword down and be like, you know what, Rory? You deserve that. Even though you choked like four times, you deserve that because you bounce back after every single one. Yeah. He could have quit at any point.

[Hank]

He beat all the haters, including us.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

He beat everybody, was competing against any. Beat himself, but in a good way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He beat the bad version of himself, so he truly conquered the world today.

[Big Cat]

And for the Rory fans, by the way, when we have Scott Van Pelt, on which we do every Masters live from Augusta, he will, he will wax poetically about Rory. So you'll get, you'll get all that.

[Hank]

Jim, man, I know. Laid the, the biggest jinx of all time. Waxing poetic on rory down the 18th fairway.

[Big Cat]

He did.

[Hank]

Talking about, like, how he grew up, by the way. Shout out Rory's dad. I don't know if Rory's dad had a future bet on him to win the Masters like he did the, the Open Championship. Yeah, I think he won like $400,000 on that the first time Rory won. Great dad, but yeah, Jim Nance was just. He was laid it on. He unloaded the clip thick with like.

[Big Cat]

Seven Cs and they had the, the graphic. If he, if he didn't win that eight, that playoff. The graphic of him lining up his putt on the 18 for career grand Slam.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Would have lived in infamy.

[Hank]

Yeah, for sure. Also. Yeah. Shout out. Shout out to Skip Bayless for dropping Bryson. Bryson Dham bogie on us on a Sunday. That's one of the ones. Hand up. We missed that one. But that's why Skip is the man. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.

[Big Cat]

I was getting accused of jinxing because I was like, Rory's got this. It was right after the ball didn't go in the water. I was like, it's just his day. And then I realized, like, you, you have to have those moments where you're like, listen, you could, you could be a narcissist. Narcissist and think that you can actually affect these games, which you can't, and that you jinx it. And then you have to realize there's a higher power at play. And his name is Skip Bayless because right before I think Rory went into the water officially, he tweeted, congratulations, Rory, for winning the 2025 Masters and completing the career Grand Slam. Extraordinary performance. Was I ever wrong about today? And Bryson Dechambogie. Yeah, that was. He tweeted that on the 12th hole.

[Hank]

I think I tweeted out congrats to Rory on winning the masters at like 10am this morning. Yeah, just. I was so pumped up to see a potential Rory choke job.

[Big Cat]

And he, he did. That's why I'm like, not as, as mad. If he had just waltzed into a four stroke victory, I would have, I would have been a real salty bitch. Right now he really did. Like, he gave us all the chokes and then he still won. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? Fair play. Like, shake hands. Good job. You gave me the moments I needed. I needed those moments where it was like, holy shit, this is actually happening again. And then he eventually gets the, the Grand Slam. I'm, I am happy for him that he gets the monkey off his back in that.

[Hank]

It was a win. Win.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Truly for everybody involved. Also, I don't know if you saw this, but last night my man Skip put this out. Rory McElroy is the LeBron James of golf. A supremely gifted, nice guy without killer instinct. Bryson DeChambeau is the Jake Paul of golf.

[Big Cat]

Oh.

[Hank]

Who isn't afraid to do it his way. Skip Bay is just definitely walks around all day looking at things and being like, you know what that reminds me of LeBron James, who I hate, by the way.

[Big Cat]

To go take Paul too.

[Hank]

I think, I think Skip is in love with LeBron James. He just wants one sees him everywhere.

[Big Cat]

If LeBron would just mention him once.

[Hank]

Once would be great.

[Big Cat]

One time.

[Memes]

It did feel as a hater.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Hank, you're actually the, the. I think if we ranked our haterness of Rory here, you're number one.

[Hank]

But you, you defended him when he, he stole the young man's cell phone.

[Memes]

I'm in one side, but I remember.

[Big Cat]

That was because he, he thinks he's, he thinks he, he takes side of the players.

[Memes]

No, no, no. That was just one he hates. Jumped down my throat about. But I was rooting against him. It felt very similar to 2016, LeBron similar, where it's like you, you root so hard against them and they accomplish, you know, history. And it's basically, it's. You're never going to be able to get your level of hate up again.

[Big Cat]

No, he won't. He won't.

[Memes]

Lost the, you know, that Warrior Series and like, you know, his finals record. You could always run that narrative. If Rory chokes.

[Big Cat]

This.

[Memes]

The narrative never goes away. Now it's like if you're hating, it's just, it's, it's a much harder hate.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we had to retire. Yeah, we had to retire because Rory, no matter what, he is now the sixth all time to have the career Grand Slam, the only the second next to Tiger woods to do it in the last 50 years. So like in the modern era, he's, he's, he. And I actually think, I'll say this. I think Rory might go on a hot streak. Yeah. Because like, that was. That did feel like the monkey off your back, Steve Young moment where the way that went down and the. In the chokes and the unchokes and the big shots and the shot of a lifetime. Rory might just rip off. You know, he might get the 10 majors I call it right now.

[Memes]

He's got nothing to lose.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

When Tiger came back and won at Augusta, was it 20, 19? Yeah, that was 18. That felt like he left it all out there. We all kind of knew, like, yeah, this is. It's incredible that this is happening, but let's not expect Tiger to go on one of his runs with Rory. He's been so close so recently.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's been incredible. He's rode to Dubai.

[Hank]

Yeah, that was more important than. That's what got the monkey off his back.

[Big Cat]

What did you guys make of. It came out afterwards that Rory refused to say a word to Bryson during the round.

[Hank]

I kind of love that Bryson said he wouldn't talk to me at all.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I love that, because Bryson, probably his brain was. Was. Was malfunctioning, being like. But my PR team told me that if I do, the YouTube guys will talk to me.

[Hank]

Well, he. He needs the comments section to get his next jokes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Bryson was. I mean, I still. I bet on him to start the day just because I was like, I want to bet on something, and I had no other bets going, and I was. So I was begrudgingly a Bryson rider. I didn't like it.

[Hank]

A brighter.

[Big Cat]

A brighter. I didn't like it. He. I mean, he just was a notion. I. I actually think Rory kind of rope a doped him pretty well after the first hole. Like, after the first hole, you're like, bryson's gonna win this going away. And Bryson got comfortable and then just kept on going down.

[Hank]

They did an interview with him afterwards, and they're like, what happened with. With one of your misses? I forget which one it was, but he was like, yeah, you know, the. The wind picked up after I hit it, so there's really not a lot I can do about that. And then he, like, looks at her and goes, I guess I'll just have to learn to hit the ball harder. So now he's.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Hank]

That's his solution for everything. He's gonna have to drive the ball farther.

[Big Cat]

Was that the interview that they awkwardly did during the playoff? Because there was that one where they cut to Bryce and were like, we don't need to hear from Bryson. Yeah, he didn't finish second.

[Hank]

That's always such A disappointment when the last group. When it's worse, when both guys don't end up in. In competition at the very end, but when one guy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Just bows out, that's just sad to watch him finish the round of golf.

[Big Cat]

Well, and. And how do you say his name? Oberg. Yeah.

[Hank]

He hasn't earned the umlauts.

[Big Cat]

That was tough. Listen, just making everyone wait because he couldn't hit. He just.

[Memes]

I thought that was great for the. I thought he was icing Rory. I know I was. I was pumped about it.

[Big Cat]

See, this is why he's the number.

[Hank]

One hit I bet on. I'm gonna call him a Barrick until he wins. He doesn't deserve that. I bet on him. And Hank, please remind me to not bet on him to win any majors. That's tough because.

[Memes]

Because he's going to.

[Hank]

But here's the thing. Did you see how he finished today?

[Memes]

He choked last year, too. Yes.

[Hank]

And this wasn't just a choke.

[Memes]

Like, he could have easily been.

[Hank]

Yeah, he could one. But if he had the lead outright and that's how he ended his round, people would be. Let's say he was in the final group today, and that's how he finished his round. When he was in, he was in contention to win. People would be talking about that as maybe the biggest meltdown outside that French guy at the Open Championship or Greg Norman. Yeah. But no, I think it would be, like, just as bad, if not worse than Norman. The way he played those last few holes.

[Memes]

I kept saying as a hater, I was like, you know, me and Max were in here and pick out at the end, but I was like, what if he just, you know, duffed one a hundred yards in front of him? Or like, what if he just hit a tree and it just came backwards? Ludwig actually did that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did that.

[Memes]

Like, he just hit it into the bunker.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're doing the opposite, Hank. I was. I was sitting there asking questions like, I think, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, now Rory's got this every time. He was like, this is easy for him. Up, up and down. Every time. Hank also shushed us before a T shot. I was like, did you just. They were talking about the draft lottery rankings. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. That's the other thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We got to figure out how to.

[Big Cat]

Get to the lottery. Yeah. It's in Chicago.

[Hank]

Is it really?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When is it? I don't know. It's like, very private. But we. That's what we were talking. I was saying, I hope the Bulls don't make the playoffs. And I can be in the lottery because I. I'm convinced in my dumb brain they'll rig it for the bull.

[Hank]

I need to be in.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I got to be in.

[PFT Commenter]

I gotta.

[Big Cat]

I gotta. Or maybe they have it on.

[Hank]

Maybe the Wizards. Like, who else are the Wizards gonna ask to, like, step in to be the representative?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Washington Wizards. Listen, I would love to represent the Wizards.

[Memes]

I've always loved the Wizards.

[Hank]

Nobody, baby. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Zards.

[Hank]

I'm a Bullets fan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that. But the whole. Whatever. It was last two hours of the Masters on Sunday. The whole round.

[Memes]

The whole round started, like, the three shots, swing off the jump, and then it was just.

[Big Cat]

But especially the la. When Justin Rose started making his moves. I mean, what a putt on 18, too, for Justin Rose. But that. It was just. It was sports at its finest. Like, I was just sitting there smiling ear to ear, being like, no matter what happens here, it's. It's. It's you. You know, you're watching history. And ended up being real history because of his grand slam. It was great. It was great. And our boy Max T12.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

He gets automatically back to the Masters next year.

[Hank]

Max had a great weekend. The. The round that he shot on Friday, I think it was a 70 that he shot on Friday. That was the best 70 that you'll ever see in your life.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Hank]

He was scrambling all day, somehow made it work. I'm very happy for him. I'm also very happy that JT didn't do that. Great.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because if JT had finished, like, top five, his caddy is Max's old caddy that broke up with him.

[Memes]

Well, just for this week.

[Hank]

Yeah, just for this week, but still. Max doesn't need that.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. Max. Max might be back. This might be the start of the championship. DVD got him pumped up. Just. He's a superstar. What else? Oh, I was. I think we all. We weren't talking about it before, but I. I said before the whole Sunday started, and I. I think you'll agree with me. Pft. Like, when you're looking at who could win this. Patrick Reed, somehow, like, winning. It would have been hilarious, actually. He didn't replace 15. Yeah, I know. The Eagle. That he hold out. Yeah. He ended up, what, like, third or.

[Memes]

No, he had a. He had a birdie put on 15 that he three putted. Like. He missed the. Missed. So missed the par putt, which is two shots, which did. You guys have been tied.

[Big Cat]

Scotty was a little extra icy to Rory in the Butler cabin.

[Hank]

I didn't sense that.

[Big Cat]

I. I sense Scotty being not like, in a. You way, more in a. I'm the best golfer in the world. I should be winning this every year way.

[Hank]

Like, he's pissed off at himself.

[Big Cat]

He's going to go on a fuck you tour because he's. I mean, he had. Saturday was what did him in. What do you end up finishing fourth. And he just couldn't. He could not get it going on Saturday.

[Memes]

He's also going to be the new narrative guy. He might just be a Masters merchant. He's got. He's got to win a major that's not the master. I'm thinking, like, oh, you're.

[Big Cat]

You're just looking for the new.

[Memes]

I'm thinking Rory's.

[Big Cat]

That.

[Memes]

That was the narrative for a long time. Not only at the Masters, but 10 years at majors. You know, he kind of choked at the. At the Open a few years ago. Last year at the U.S. open.

[Big Cat]

Interesting.

[Memes]

That's a big narrative. That's gone now. I've already seen a couple of tweets where it's like, scotty Scheffler is the best in the world, people. Compared to Tiger. These are his, you know, finishes and majors in his last 10 majors. It's not the greatest in terms of being called the greatest. You know, he's the number one. He's the best.

[Big Cat]

Like, you're right. That's gonna be tied for second in the PGA two years ago, in the U. S. Open three years ago, but still. Hank. Narrative. He's the narrative finder. I like Scotty.

[Memes]

I like Scotty too. I'm just. I feel bad. Like, it's like someone's got to take up that torch. And he's. He's the number one. He's the number one golfer.

[Big Cat]

I'm a Scotty guy. I do think that golf is one of those weird sports where you get accused of like, hey, why are you rooting against Roy? It's like, I just can't. I have to. I have to pick my sides in golf. I can't be whoever wins. I'm just gonna be like, I'm so happy for them.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's only. It's more fun if you have your side.

[Hank]

It's a weird sport. It's like this. And I guess auto racing is kind of similar where you just like, pick a guy and you're like, I enjoy rooting for that one person.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

And then if they have any sort of, like, any semblance of beef with anybody else.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Then that guy is now your mortal enemy because you like rooting for that other human.

[Big Cat]

I know that. I know that the beef has been squashed. Squashed with Bryson, but I did feel dirty betting on them today. Yeah, you should. Like, I just. I. I don't really want to do this. I don't want to be a brighter.

[Memes]

I generally would just root for. I just enjoyed. I. I guess this is a little sick. Like, I like chokes and like, comebacks.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right.

[Memes]

Like, I rather.

[Hank]

Yeah, I want.

[Memes]

I want something to happen if we're gonna. If I'm gonna be invested.

[Big Cat]

You're a journalist.

[Memes]

I don't care that much about the players per se, except for a few and. But yeah, reading is Roy's fault.

[Hank]

You care about the sport.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You. Well, you care about the narratives and.

[Memes]

Of course, I like to be entertained.

[Big Cat]

You're a journalist.

[Memes]

I'm here to be entertained.

[Big Cat]

You are a journalist at heart.

[Hank]

Who won the journalist lottery?

[Big Cat]

Do we know that? I don't know.

[Hank]

Let's see.

[Big Cat]

I did see. I did see. There was Kyle Porter, who actually, like. And he does a good job writing about golf. He had one of those tweets this morning. I was like, dude, you. You don't really have to say all this. What?

[Memes]

I know, I know. Until you're talking.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this was before the round. Pft. He said, I'm completely fine. If you want to call me head of the Glaze Committee or whatever. When it comes to Rory, totally get it. Completely understand. I've seen every comment imaginable and a lot I wish I hadn't. We all probably take it too far at times. Me possibly most of all. It is strange to cover a generational athlete like this, though. Someone who could go down as one of the 10 to 15 best ever in his 150 year old sport. Someone who also lets you induce humanity at times, both publicly and privately. I like Rory personally, of course, but I also think his golf and his life bring out the best in me. The best of my writing and my thinking about this stupid, ridiculous game certainly is a rabbit hole that you can go too far down and find yourself in too deep. You might be there, but I would always rather err on the side, on that side than on the side of holding back my writing about a sport I've truly grown to love. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, saying he brings Rory's play brings out the best in me as a writer. I love that.

[Hank]

That's good.

[Big Cat]

Iron Sharp Glaze Committee. Chairman of. Head of the Glaze Committee, So I.

[Hank]

Can'T find out who won the. The lottery, but Jay Busby said they've just announced the winners of the Masters media Lottery, and you're going to be getting some good. Here's how I played Augusta Stories on Tuesday. So a little teaser. Apparently it's worthy. Worthy selections this year.

[Big Cat]

I know J.J. watts playing. He is. He's. He tweeted that he's like, I got lucky enough to be able to play on Monday.

[Memes]

Is Ken Griffey Jr.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Memes]

Did you see that?

[Big Cat]

That'd be pretty cool. Yeah. I mean, he's a professional photographer, so.

[Memes]

I was like, this is the greatest way to backdoor your way into a tea time.

[Big Cat]

He rocks. Ken Griffey Jr. Yeah.

[Memes]

I mean, Randy Johnson.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

Big photogs.

[Hank]

Did you see what many people are saying might have spurned Rory onto victory?

[Big Cat]

Okay. No.

[Memes]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Oh, the Reckoning.

[Hank]

No, I was. I was going to say he's reading a book.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. The Reckoning.

[Hank]

Oh, that's the name of the book.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hank]

I liked it better when they just reported that he was reading a book.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, it's way better. Okay, so it's the Reckoning first. Here's the. Hers. The first page. This is going to be part of my Monday reading. I have a different one for us, but this is. This is the start of the Reckoning. It's a John Grisham novel. On a cold morning in early October of 1946, Pete Banning awoke before sunrise and had no thoughts of going back to sleep for a long time. He lay in the center of his bed, stared at the dark ceiling, and asked himself for the thousandth time if he had the courage. Finally, as the first trace of dawn peaked through a window, he accepted the solemn reality that it was time for the killing. The need for it had become so overwhelming that he could not continue with his daily routines. He could not remain the man he was until the deed was done. Its planning was simple, yet difficult to imagine. Its aftershocks would rattle on for decades and change the lives of those he loved and many of those he didn't. That's the start of the book. Okay, it's time for the Killing.

[Hank]

I like it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I also like that John Grisham. All of his books are just the. And then a random word. Yeah, you just. He. He's like, okay, I've got a good idea for the next one. It's going to start with the.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then he flips a dictionary and stops on where he's like, okay. The client.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. The Fountainhead is that one.

[Hank]

The fat. Yeah, that's also John Grisham.

[Big Cat]

John Grisham. Other notes from the Masters, shout out. Nick Dunlap. That was. He actually gets my green jacket. If we're giving out a personal green jacket. He shot a 90 on Thursday and basically the worst round you could possibly shoot had the yips and came back and shot a 71 on Friday without. Could have easily withdrew. He was like dropping his. His driver on in the tee box constantly. He's my personal green jacket.

[Hank]

So I was looking up the worst rounds ever shot at Augusta. The worst round ever shot technically never happened at Augusta because the guy that shot it, Billy Casper, he shot in 2005. He shot 106 at Augusta. But an all time baller move. He finishes and refuses to sign the scorecard.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Hank]

So it doesn't officially count.

[Big Cat]

I love that.

[Hank]

So the 106 that he shot is not the worst round ever shot there.

[Big Cat]

Okay, that's. That was very smart of him. Also another note from Augusta, which is, I think, very important. Probably the most important thing that happened. For everyone who's watching, there's a huge collectible difference between Rory winning and Rose winning Masters 2025 flags would not sell out. If Rose won. Badge would be half as collectible. That's what I thought of immediately when it happened.

[Hank]

The badge.

[Big Cat]

The badge. Half is collectible. That's from Darren Revelle.

[Hank]

He had an all timer. Let me pull this up real quick.

[Big Cat]

Because half is collect.

[Hank]

He's been on one this weekend. This was sent to me by our good friend and kickoff ruiner, Sam Schwarzstein. Should items. This was a picture of gloves worn in the Frozen Four. Okay, this weekend, the person who wore the gloves score shout out.

[Big Cat]

Western Michigan, by the way, Maxin, incredible story one going away against BU on Saturday night.

[Hank]

So this guy scored four goals.

[Big Cat]

Tony Scheffler, by the way, shout out.

[Hank]

Said, Darren Revell says, should items like this go to the hall of Fame? In an era when collectibles are becoming more increasingly valuable, they sent the gloves to the hall of Fame. And Darren's saying, why are these going? Why? Why should anyone be able to enjoy these when one person can pay for the right to only have them enjoy it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Why should the whole world be able to go visit these gloves and see history instead of just one privately wealthy person be able to put it in their house?

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Why can't they check out these gloves?

[Hank]

So why is this in the Hockey hall of Fame when I Could buy it and then put it in my closet for 60 years.

[Big Cat]

Makes a lot more sense how he had that MLK memorabil. Like, this should be in a museum, dude.

[Hank]

More increasingly valuable is also a great sentence.

[Big Cat]

The other. The other story I had maybe all time vibes guy. Also maybe something you need to work towards. Hank, the marker. I didn't realize they changed their mark. So, Ed, Augusta, if there's an odd number of guys that make the cut, they're the last pairing. The last person plays with a marker who's just a member at Augusta. This person plays with them, plays around with them, doesn't keep their score. Also picks up anything within eight feet. But it's a really good, really, really good golfer. The guy's name is Michael McDermott, so I think they had one marker for, like, 20 years. This guy took over a couple years ago. Might be an all time vibes guy. So he played with Tom Kim on the third round. Tom Kim had his best round of. Of the weekend or of the week.

[Hank]

Mm.

[Big Cat]

Shot a 72. And then Brian Campbell today shot a 68 with Michael McDermott the marker. So that's got to be the coolest thing. We were talking about the E bug with Whitney. The fact that there's a guy who gets to go play Sunday pins in front of the crowd is one of the coolest things ever.

[Hank]

So also with this guy, he doesn't have the score. Like you said, he is not allowed to speak to the media.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

And he does not get his name on the back of the caddy.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

So the guy, Michael. What's the name? Michael McDermott. He's also apparently the CEO of a financial company.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And he's a member at Pine Valley, Marion, and Augusta. I looked it up. Pine Valley is. Marion is the fifth best private club in the country. Pine Valley, sixth. So imagine like, this guy going to Pine Valley and being like, yeah, this actually is my least favorite private club because he's also a member of Augusta.

[Hank]

What if he shot like, he's like.

[Memes]

The great networker of all time. That's what I was like.

[Big Cat]

Apparently he's an incredible golfer, but still.

[Memes]

There'S plenty of incredible golfers. How do you, you know, get access to all these?

[Big Cat]

You have to be.

[Memes]

To let alone then be like. Of all the Augusta members to be like, all right, you're gonna be the marker.

[Big Cat]

I think it has to be, because there's a lot of Augusta members like Bill Gates and Roger Goodell who, like, you can't have them be the marker. It's got to be kind of someone a little bit anonymous and a really good golfer, but, oh, my God. I mean, that's the coolest.

[Memes]

He must just. And, you know, he must be. He must be the most nervous person on. On movie on Friday, right? Just praying for an odd number.

[Big Cat]

Right. And you also, like, you know, they have to do it this way because if they just got a random person, that person would talk to the media. If it's an Augusta member that. That guy's never, ever gonna say a word to the media about anything because he doesn't want to give up his privilege.

[Hank]

What if he shot, like, a 66, 67.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Hank]

Two rounds in a row? Like, what if he would have made the cut?

[Big Cat]

He beat. There's stories the previous one beat guys sometimes. Like, there was. I think there was a story about a marker beating. Was it Jeff Knox, the previous one? Yeah, the pre. This guy has the course record at Augusta, and he beat a player in a round, and, like, the player got. Oh, yeah. Sergio. Sergio was pissed.

[PFT Commenter]

And Rory.

[Big Cat]

And Rory. He was pissed because he was chokes. I think he beat Sergio and Sergio was mad about it.

[Hank]

Would later say that Knox was the best I've ever seen on Augustus Greens.

[Big Cat]

Ready? Garcia finished one over 73. Knox finished 72. Garcia refused to shake Knox's hand after the round. That's awesome. And, like, Tiger woods would go, like, this guy was. This was the marker that I. I.

[Hank]

Heard the story about this week.

[Big Cat]

Like, Tiger would go to this guy before every, like, Masters tournament and, like, ask him about the greens.

[Hank]

Like, yeah.

[Big Cat]

How they are at that time. Like, this guy is such a legend.

[Hank]

That guy had just. If you're the marker at Augusta, you are just part of the golf course, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You. I have a question about Augusta, Hank. Did they take a bunch of trees out? Isn't that a story?

[Hank]

Hurricane?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the hurricane made a lot easier.

[Hank]

Did it at 10.

[Big Cat]

I feel like there was times where Rory or anyone would hit it into the woods, and then they'd go to Dottie, who's phenomenal, by the way. Dottie's, like, so soothing. Just. They'd be like, hey, Dottie, what do you see? She'd be like, he's got a perfect look. Not much. Like, he can just go right over this tower. He's got no problem. There's no trees.

[Hank]

Not a barrack.

[Big Cat]

They got to get more trees in there.

[Hank]

Tree magnet.

[Big Cat]

I just want.

[Memes]

Shot tracer is part of it. The shot tracer, like, it initially will go right? And you're like, oh, that's going to keep going right. Kind of straight.

[Big Cat]

Just go right in the, in the fairway. But I just. When you get in the woods, I want you in the woods.

[Hank]

So, yeah, the Hurricane took him out on 10, so the guys were cutting the corner. Yeah, it was. It was ridiculous. There. You could see where there should be trees.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, get those trees back in there. Get those trees back in there. Incredible golf tournament, though. Happy for Rory. Begrudgingly. I mean, that show of emotion after he did it, that was as genuine and as cool as it gets. Even. Even my cold hater heart could be like, man, he. The. The amount of dream come true. Like the relief, though, there's. It's. It's different than a guy winning. And, you know, if Roy had won in 2011, it would have been nothing like that winning now. The relief that he has that he finally did it, because if he had spent his entire career being the guy who was one short of the career Grand Slam, it would have haunted him. So I. Yeah, I'm happy for him. I know. I know that sounds pussy. Because we were haters.

[Hank]

Well, no, I mean, it was fun. We saw him choke. He choked. That was good.

[Memes]

I'm happy for him. I'm sad for my hate. Yeah, that makes it gone. My hate is.

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Big Cat]

It's extinguished it. Yeah, he vanquished it.

[Hank]

What was the genesis of your hate towards Rory.

[Memes]

Stuff, which live. I'm. I think I'm done with Liv. Although some, you know, they did.

[Hank]

You can't say.

[Memes]

Okay, but our boys, my. I mean, Brooks, Max, Camp Smith, my three favorite golfers, and Brooks and Cam Smith. That hurt a lot. But it was. It was the live stuff. And then even like the US Open. No, it was really Ryder Cup.

[Big Cat]

It was the Ryder cup was.

[Memes]

For me, it was the Open. Cam Smith. I was rooting so hard for Cam Smith and rooting for Rory to miss those putts, and he kept missing him. He kept missing him. That was so fun. And then he did it again in the US Open. It was so fun. So it's not like a deep rooted hate, a little different than LeBron, but that open versus Camp Smith was like such a fun Sunday viewing, hating experience where everyone was rooting for him. He had so many putts and he just left everything so short. And then it happened again against Bryson. Like that.

[Big Cat]

It was.

[Memes]

The US Open was shocking. Yeah, he was three footers, so that was probably the Genesis.

[Big Cat]

Mine was the Ryder cup hat gate. Remember the fight in the, in the parking lot I just got very, you know, usa. Oh, that.

[Hank]

It is tough when you kind of like a guy and then you have to compete against him in the Ryder Cup. You're like this guy, then forever. He's got that. That state. Like, I. I rooted against him that one time, and I kind of liked it.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

And I kind of want to get doing it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Because I wasn't a. I'm not a natural Rory hater. Like, I didn't have a really. A strong opinion about him for whatever, the first, I don't know, 10 years of his career, then Ryder cup, then the cell phone, then just some of the media stuff, the way the wheels out.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which I actually loved because it was just great how upset everyone was. But, yeah, that's where. That's where mine came from.

[Hank]

Why are you bearing the lead, though, Hank? You might be done. You might be done with live. Are you going to unlive yourself?

[Memes]

Don't do it for the Masters. Yes, I will not. I'm done with. With thinking that, you know, the live guys can make it happen.

[Big Cat]

Do you think there's. I'm going to do it next year, then? Yeah. Good luck, Hater. Max. I mean, it's a hater void, but.

[PFT Commenter]

It would be right.

[Hank]

Like, if the.

[Big Cat]

If the year that you stop doing it. Yeah. Do you think you don't want to.

[Hank]

Miss out on that opportunity?

[Big Cat]

There's anything to be said with. The live guys did really well the first year that live happened, and they competed in all these majors. They did really well. And then as the years have gone on. Yes. Because they. They all have a ton of money and they're all playing 54 holes. Right. Tournament. What is it, 56?

[Memes]

54.

[Big Cat]

54. And they're not. They're not pushed the same way.

[Memes]

I. Yes, I. I've come around. I've come all the way around.

[Hank]

Who are the Four Aces again?

[Memes]

It's Patrick Reed, Dustin Johnson, Harold Varner, and.

[Big Cat]

We were so close.

[Memes]

Let's go. Peter Uline.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

No, he was down.

[Memes]

That was a while ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's been two years of you trying today.

[Memes]

Well, they change a lot, dude. They're going through some stuff.

[Big Cat]

Dustin Johnson, Harold. Patrick Reed, Harold Vonner, and who's the last one? Thomas Peters. Yeah, like, come on, Belgium. All right, let's. Let's talk some other sports. We're gonna. We're gonna do more Masters with svp. He's live from Augusta. As his tradition. Before we talk some more sports. Game time. The NBA playoffs are here. The only place to buy hard to get playoff tickets is Game Time. The official ticketing partner. Barstool Sports. Hank, can you look up Bulls Heat? I think it's Wednesday night. The playing game. Sure. With killer last minute deals all in prices, views from your seat and their lowest price guarantee, Game Time takes the guesswork out of buying NBA playoff tickets. Prices on the app actually go down the closer it gets. A tip off. You can save up to 60% when buying last minute tickets. Plus on April 22 for Earth Day when you select and purchase a super deal, Game Time will plant a tree with the proceeds. Looking at tickets here for bulls heat.

[Hank]

$50.

[Memes]

Bulls are about to go on a run. I think they can be. The cat starts on Wednesday night. You can get in the building.

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

I just ate half one.

[Big Cat]

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[Hank]

I might like the playing game. I like watching playing tournament for. For one exclusive reason this postseason. Yeah, that's if the. If the Mavericks go on a little run. Yeah, that would be very, very funny to see. But outside of that, no, I don't. I don't like the playing tournament sucks. Like eight seeds give it to us. Eight seeds don't break the nine and the 10 into it. The regular season's long. We've got a big enough sample size. We introduced this just so that we could try to get superstars in. They were playing on shitty teams. It sucks. I don't. I don't like it at all.

[Big Cat]

It's. Think about this. I know obviously the warriors can win and get in, but The warriors are 48 and 34. There's a world where the Mavericks at 39 and 43 could get in over a 48 and 34 team. You played 82 games. It's stupid. And again, I'm personally biased because I. Jerry Reinsdorf uses the Bulls being. I think this is like the sixth straight year that we've been in the playing game.

[Hank]

It makes the regular season mean even less, which is hard to do for the NBA. Yeah, but somehow you managed. You managed to water it down a little bit more. It'd be so funny though. If the Mavericks want to run, that's in the name of hilarity. And just like chaos. That's what I'm rooting for.

[Memes]

NBA should have had the schedule today. Tomorrow.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Memes]

Like insane.

[Big Cat]

Insane to go up against the Masters. It's so stupid. So, Hank, so we're gonna do a big preview probably on Friday. Maybe get Wendy on Orcillo. Hank, you are wanting who, the Magic or the Hawks?

[Memes]

I'm wanting the Hawks.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

We've been bad scared of the Magic.

[Memes]

We have as bad a record against the Magic as it might be. The worst record we have in the last, like, three years against any team.

[Big Cat]

Really?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Interesting.

[Memes]

I think we're like 2 and 5 or 3 and 6 or something in our last nine.

[Hank]

Are you more scared of the Magic than you are the Cavs?

[Memes]

Possibly, yeah.

[Hank]

You disrespect the Cabs.

[Memes]

I'm not worried about the Cavs. Yeah, the Bulls could beat the Cavs.

[Big Cat]

You keep saying that, and you're just. You're wrong. That means you're scared of the Cavs. Like that actually says that you're scared of the Cabs because you keep saying, I want the Bulls to beat the Cavs, I think.

[Memes]

I didn't say I want them to. I'm just saying, like, the Bulls are trending. Cavs are overrated again.

[Big Cat]

March basketball that we played a week ago, and the Cavs beat us by 20.

[Hank]

I think it's half Hank disrespecting the Cavs, half Hank hating the Cavs, and then the last is Hank being, like, half scared of the Cabs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Three halves to Hank's hatred.

[Big Cat]

I'm very excited for the west playoffs, though, because the Lakers and T Wool is going to be great. T Wool's been playing well down the stretch. I mean, I don't know where the warriors like Rockets. Old heads versus new guys.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's going to be fun.

[Memes]

Doka revenge.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

And then John Morant, the Grizzlies. I don't know. I. I want Jaw to keep playing more because I want him to keep finding different ways to pull out weapons, fake weapons, like throwing grenades at the crowd. I want him to turn like a nuclear weapon key. He has to get a teammate to help him do that one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I want. I want this to keep getting. Getting more and more violent and then Jaw just being like it. Find me. Do whatever you want to. Nobody's talking about the Rockets. Nobody's talked about the Rockets all year.

[Big Cat]

Rockets are good.

[Hank]

Should we put some respect on the Rockets?

[Big Cat]

Well, the Rockets are like the Thunder last year.

[Hank]

I would like.

[Big Cat]

You could just say they're really good, but they got to go through it once.

[Hank]

I would like to officially put some part of my Take respect on the Houston.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Can we do that?

[Big Cat]

Respect Done.

[Hank]

They got the LeBron stopper.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Respect on the Rockets, but I just think that they're. They're too young. Five year playoff drought done, gone. James Harden no longer on the team. Not walking through that door.

[Hank]

But James.

[Big Cat]

New guys ime. Yeah.

[Memes]

Good coach.

[Big Cat]

A very good, great coach. Still don't know what he did.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's kind of weird, but he's a good coach. The Clippers, we should. The. The Clippers scare me. As a, As a Nuggets fair weather.

[Big Cat]

Fan, anytime Kawhi is healthy. Yeah, you have to be scared of the Clippers because he still will. Like the Clippers could absolutely beat the Nuggets and then Kawhi. And then we'll get a story that Kawhi actually is hurt and he's out for the rest of the playoffs and they'll lose.

[Hank]

And then some team will give him 200 million.

[Big Cat]

By the way, speaking of Nuggets. So Friday night, Jokic sealed a triple double for the season. Third time ever that's happened. Oscar Robinson, Russell Westbrook, Nicole Jokic for averaging a triple double in a season. Pretty crazy. He's not going to win MVP this year, partially because SGA has been incredible, but also little voter fatigue. Does anyone want to guess what Jokic, his response to averaging a triple double for the year was after the game is good. Pretty close.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

He said it's nice. I think I didn't do that before. I don't know. I don't know what to say. It's good.

[Hank]

There we go. It's perfect.

[Big Cat]

I think I didn't do that before. He's the best.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No, like, remember when Russell was the.

[Hank]

Third time it's ever happened?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Remember when Russell Westbrook did it and was like, was crashing every free throw to get the rebounds and everything? And yoke is just like, it's good. I don't think I've done that.

[Hank]

Yeah, it's good.

[Big Cat]

It's nice.

[Hank]

Very nice. The, the Westbrook series from the Nuggets to the Clippers. I feel like the team that used to have Westbrook on their roster usually wins these types of series. I might just be making that up. It might be based off vibes, but I feel like getting to play against him every night is good for the team that used to have him because they're constantly being reminded like, thank God this guy's not on our team anymore.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Hank]

No, he. He's kind of been a. A little bit of a different player for the Nuggets.

[Big Cat]

Maybe he can just go revenge mode.

[Hank]

He could go. But that's What I'm saying. Yeah. When he goes revenge mode, that's actually. It's bad.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Do we have any thoughts on LeBron shirtless warming up? Isaiah Thomas was in tears.

[Hank]

I think it's disrespectful to the game forever.

[Big Cat]

I know. I. I loved how upset Isaiah Thomas was.

[Hank]

League.

[Big Cat]

He was so mad. He was so, so mad about it. I don't know if you can find the clip.

[Hank]

Nipples protruding. Disgusting.

[Big Cat]

It was like an empty arena, and Isaiah Thomas was just. He was gonna cry.

[Memes]

He might be going through some body image issues of his own. Who, Isaiah Thomas?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

The fact that he freaked out by getting this.

[Memes]

Get this jacked, shirtless guy off my screen.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

The fact that he gets that upset by seeing another man take his clothes off is true. Pretty susp.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's suspect.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We did actually get to the bottom of PFT's thing with the. We did, Jim. Yeah. He was jerking off in the guy's face.

[Hank]

I was jacking off his face. Yeah. Apparently that's gay. And guys can't jack off him. That.

[Big Cat]

That dude told us after we stopped recording, he's like, oh, I forgot. I. I was jerking off in his face.

[Hank]

That dude has never played a team sport. If he's getting upset about having a guy jack off in his face in the locker room. Come on, man. All right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, play it, Play it, Max.

[Hank]

Shirts and skins is what they're doing.

[Big Cat]

I just totally, 100% object to this. And I was the GM of coach. Me too. I would never let one of my players walk out on the floor looking like this.

[Hank]

I mean, we are professional NBA league.

[Big Cat]

We ain't. We ain't summer league. We ain't. We ain't. You know, at. At the ymca. I think coaches got to go back to suits.

[PFT Commenter]

Absa.

[Big Cat]

I just mean absolutely. Oh, he almost swore. I just. I just think. I just think the professionalism in our NBA league has diminished so much. And, And I. I, I Look, I like LeBron.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm a fan of him.

[Big Cat]

That means he hates LeBron. But to walk out on the floor before a game with no shirt on?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, come on, man.

[Big Cat]

This. Where we at? What we doing now? If you want to Adam Silver. If you want to find somebody, find that. Find that.

[Hank]

Spoken by the hall of Fame. I love his whole thing because he. I think he's in love with. With LeBron because he's like, to see a man out there on the court, no shirt off. It's also funny working out, looking all strong. The only. The only Word that comes to my mind is fine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Fine. Fine. That man.

[Hank]

Fine.

[Big Cat]

Fine his ass. Yeah. It's also funny that Isaiah Thomas, like, if I were the GM or the coach, like, you were both.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And you. And you were. You were fired for. For bad reasons.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Really bad or good reasons. I would say bad things, but good reasons.

[Hank]

I would say, which big head, which do you think is less professional? Working out shirtless.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Or sexually harassing your entire staff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's. Nah, man. LeBron should put a shirt on fine. Because that's how sexual harassment starts.

[Hank]

That's true. Without a shirt on, he's sexually harassing Isaiah Thomas.

[Big Cat]

Maybe that's why Isaiah Thomas had such a reaction. He's like, if I were the gm, I'd sexually harass him right now. Yeah. So you can. Then they'd fire me.

[Hank]

You got to stop that problem before it starts, because some. Somebody's gonna. Him.

[Big Cat]

Oh, man. Was so funny. He was so. Oh, yeah, Skip. Alice obviously agreed with him. Loved it. Loved it. That Isaiah Thomas on NBA TV called out LeBron, said he should be fine for warming up shirtless. Took guts to spit that truth. Isaiah has guts. And you certainly can't dismiss Isaiah has as just another old school Jordan guy. That is true. He does hate Michael Jordan.

[Hank]

He hates Michael Jordan.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But I mean, he's. He's definitely old school.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Oh, but I. I love the part where Isaiah Thomas says. And I like LeBron because I've said the same thing. I know that as a hater, when you're like, I mean, I just did it where I was like, I was happy for Rory. That's not real. You just say that. That's a real.

[Hank]

Also in Skip's mind, the only reason that you could hate LeBron is if you're just supremely in love with Michael Jordan.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

That's why he's like, I love this.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's. It's as binary as it gets. Yeah.

[Hank]

What do you think about the Knicks?

[Big Cat]

They're. They're not gonna go anywhere.

[Hank]

I think. I think they'll win a series.

[Big Cat]

They could lose the Pistons. Knicks fans, I feel like, are down bad right now on this team. They're not very happy because I. They're like, still. It does feel like they're still away from the Celtics and the Cavs. Right.

[Memes]

Far away.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. We also had Sam Van Gundy. Did you see that? He called out Philly and New York. He said, fair weather fans. He said they're passionate. Someone asked him, like, what do you Think about the love affair with the Knicks and fans and their team. He said well, they're passionate love affair. I don't know. Love affair when they're playing well and hate affair when they're not playing well. The Knicks fans and the Philly fans, they're front running fans. They're in love with their team when they things are going well but they'll boo their team off the floor when they're not playing well. That's not a crowd that's focused on.

[Memes]

Lifting you up bad sports towns.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah, I, I couldn't disagree more. Living in New York for whatever we did six, seven years. Knicks fans love their team. They just fucking ex. They want them to be good.

[Memes]

And when their fans were nowhere to be found until the Bing Bong team.

[Big Cat]

They always sold out msg.

[Memes]

Yeah, but like they weren't vocal like it was once those Bing Bong side talk or whatever videos are coming out.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I think very passionate.

[Memes]

That was like two years before we left. Before that they were nowhere to be found.

[Hank]

Yeah, but there's also a difference between the Knicks fans that can't afford tickets to go to every Knicks game and then the average Knicks fan.

[Big Cat]

I think so expensive.

[Hank]

I think Knicks fans are very passionate. They really care. Also what Stan Van Gundy is describing, that's just fans.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Like what, what is it? What would be a good sports town then? A team that loves their shitty Oklahoma City. Even when there's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, Oklahoma City. They still put on the shirt. They still put on their shirt.

[Hank]

They're good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I know but I'm saying that like in years when they haven't been good, they've still put on the shirt.

[Hank]

But that's all they got.

[Big Cat]

I know that's the only thing they have in Oklahoma City. If there's other sports, like if the Sixers who are 30 games under.500 in March, was that true? I don't know. I hope so. Would you rather go to that game or the Phillies that are that are playing right next door that are going to be competing. Competing for the World Series. Sounds like a fair weather fan at the bank.

[PFT Commenter]

But like what do you.

[Big Cat]

No, I agree.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree with you.

[Big Cat]

It's a dumb. I don't understand. I also think this is partially because his brother coach there.

[Hank]

Yeah. Also in Philly they boo you but then if they realize that they've booed you and gone too far, they'll sarcastically cheer for you to try to make you better. Wasn't sarcastic.

[Big Cat]

It was, it was.

[Hank]

It was at first it was at first, but then it worked wrong. Simulate the lottery. One time, Max.

[Big Cat]

Good call.

[PFT Commenter]

Good call.

[Hank]

We should go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Agreed.

[Big Cat]

I'm excited. For the NBA players we will have an expert on to break it down.

[Memes]

There we go.

[Hank]

You got it.

[Big Cat]

Give us a best of seven so Washington gets the first pick on one of them. Okay, so we're going to do this a million times.

[Hank]

No, seven.

[Big Cat]

Seven. We'll see who gets who gets the most.

[Hank]

Oh, Philly gets it. One, one.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, this is crazy.

[Big Cat]

We've done this three times. We've only had Philly in Washington. Philly, three one.

[PFT Commenter]

I swear to God.

[Big Cat]

Utah. How many times? Keep going. Just keep going. Washington, three, two. We'll just do it till one of you gets four.

[Hank]

Okay.

[Memes]

Brooklyn.

[Big Cat]

Philly, four two. That was.

[Hank]

That's.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Hank]

What are the odds of that happening?

[Big Cat]

Very low.

[Hank]

You guys have the 10 shot at it. Yes.

[Big Cat]

It's gonna be such. If the Sixers get Cooper fied.

[Hank]

Yeah. I'm gonna be so mad. I'm gonna hate the out of it. You're gonna see me flip instantly.

[Big Cat]

That'd be such.

[Hank]

You guys are building Duke 2.0.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. True. Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I said. I said it.

[Big Cat]

He said it. Yeah. Memes said you pass on Tatum. You'd like that, Hank. Means you got to get your mic on for that. Memes.

[Hank]

That was fire.

[Big Cat]

That was so fire. You got to get your mic on. Hates jj. Oh, should we talk about Nico at Tennessee a little bit?

[Hank]

Yeah, let's talk about it. College sports. It was put into quite the turmoil on Saturday morning.

[Memes]

Well, I had no idea. I still. I. I knew we were going to talk about Sunday. I didn't. I haven't followed this.

[Big Cat]

There's.

[Memes]

I've just seen so many people say, Nico this, Nico that, Nico this, Nico that.

[Hank]

There is so much pearl clutching about what this means for the sport.

[Big Cat]

We should back up a little because. Yeah.

[Hank]

So Nico got a shitload of money from the collective at the University of Tennessee to go to school at Tennessee. He was the number one recruited quarterback. They got him. They were pumped that they got him because can't miss prospect Tom Fernelli, your best friend Hank was sitting on that couch and said, nico for Heisman before the season.

[Big Cat]

I bet it. He did not.

[Hank]

It did not work because turns out he didn't play well at all against any good schools. He beat up on the trash cans and then he was like a very average to slightly below average quarterback in SEC play. Then his dad or his uncle's a family member. I forget which one. A family member goes back to UT and says, hey, price of the bag just went up. I know you're paying, what, two mil?

[Big Cat]

It was two and a half mil. And then they wanted four.

[Hank]

They wanted four mil. So they said, price. The bag just went up to keep Nico got to pay 4 million now. Because there's other schools that would pay that. And Tennessee was like, we're not going to talk about that right now. We're still in the season. In fact, it was the week of their playoff game that they had against Ohio State. Right. That he was actively shopping himself, allegedly, to other teams. Then he does a holdout so he doesn't go to practice. And he's holding out from team activities.

[Memes]

This is after the playoff game.

[Big Cat]

After the playoff spring game. The spring game was Saturday, and there was rumors that this was happening. And Tennessee fans. Now I consider myself a fall for life from. From winning national championships with Doug's in Knoxville. Tennessee fans maybe weren't doing the best this week when there were reports. I think Ari Wasserman had something. I think someone else had some. On3Network had reports that this was happening. And Tennessee fans were attacking those reporters and being like, this is bullshit. You're just making this up. Turns out it was all true. He skipped the practice on Friday and then didn't show to the spring game on Saturday, and it's over.

[Hank]

Yeah. So what Tennessee did was actually smart. They came out and they said, we're moving on from Nico.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Before Nico had a chance to be like, I've entered the transfer portal, he.

[Big Cat]

Wasn'T good enough to get a million and a half raise. Like, if he had been a no doubt guy, I think Tennessee would have paid him, probably. I think they would have been like, hey, if he was Arch Manning, if he was someone who has, like, you have to keep him on your team because you have these title chances. I don't think he proved that. And they're like, all right, go and now pay off.

[Memes]

It sounded like.

[Big Cat]

But Nico or their defense is really good. Nico, I think he's getting bad advice from his. So his dad is his agent. Which also complicates thing, because when your dad is your agent, the one thing that your dad doesn't have to do, he's not representing other people. So he doesn't have to act in good faith in any of the negotiations. He could basically say, I'm gonna burn this school, because guess what? I don't have any other clients. That when I come back around Asking for money. They can't be like, hey, you burned me that time. So his dad's his agent. His dad was like trying to get him more money. I think it's short sighted because Nico, if he had a really good year in Josh Hypo's offense, could be a high draft pick, make a lot of money instead. Now he's gonna have to go somewhere else, learn a whole new offense, learn new personnel in a short window.

[Hank]

Yeah, that's the thing. He is, he's not good enough to get a raise from Tennessee up to $4 million. But there's probably another school out there that's willing to throw a bag at him.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah, let's see.

[Hank]

So he's going to get a raise. It's going to work out like financially okay for him this year. But Big Cat's right, like Tennessee is, is probably the best place he could be if he's thinking about where he wants to get drafted in the future.

[Big Cat]

And it's also, this is why I feel like this is all eventually going to get sorted out one way or another because my theory has always been that like eventually these rich guys and nil and collect the collectives are going to be sick of paying millions and millions of dollars to 18 year olds that might not pan out. And this is kind of what happened here because Nico, they, they were like, no, we're not going to pay another million and a half. So the QB Class of 20, 23, these are the top eight guys. Arch Manning still at Texas. Nico now in the transfer portal. Dante Moore started ucla, Oregon. Jackson Arnold started Oklahoma, now Auburn. Malachi Nelson, remember he was like a can't miss usc. Now he's at utep. Jaden Rashada started asu, now he's in the portal. Aiden Charles started Washington State, now sorry, Oregon State, now at Michigan State. And Austin Mack started at Washington, now at Alabama. Like it's, it's hard to predict if these guys are going to be good.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And it's hard to give two and a half million dollars to a guy who might be like, yeah, I'm going to go somewhere else.

[Hank]

It's a system problem. The problem is like with basically no rules whatsoever. So of course this type of is going to happen. And when you gamble on like a five star recruit out of high school, they don't always hit. Except now, guess what, now you're tying a bunch of money to that person and then when they leave, now you're pissed off because it's like, oh, I was told that I Had to pay a million dollars to get this kid to go to my favorite school.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So I could watch him play. Then he sucked, and now I feel like I just wasted a million dollars. So, of course the people that are funding it are going to be like, I don't want to pay for that anymore. Let's try to get somebody in the portal that's going to come here. They also he over the team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Because the team had a plan. Like, they thought that Nico might be going as early as December of last year because they were starting to hear these, like, things about, like, Nico is, is unhappy. He's going to want more money. So they were going to try to recruit other quarterbacks, but those other quarterbacks wouldn't go to school there.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

If Nico was still the quarterback. Because they're like, this guy's going to start ahead of me.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Hank]

For a year, maybe two years. So then they couldn't, they couldn't get their roster in order for next season because they thought Nico was coming back. And then Nico's like, actually, it, I'm out.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Did you hear the rumor? Shout Dan Lanning, ride or die guy. Like, good, good guy. The rumor was that he was the one who tipped off Josh Hypo. Was like, hey, Nico's dad's trying to get him to go somewhere else.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, and told him that. And that's when how Tennessee found out. I just, I. I think it's just, it's unfortunate because I do. I, I am very much in favor of the kids getting paid and they should get paid because they're bringing in billions of dollars. And it's so stupid it took this long. But I just, like, this is a situation where I think he's getting bad advice. And Josh Hypel is a really good offensive coach. And to have this, do this for a million and a half dollars when the alternative is possibly staying at Tennessee, doing really well under Josh Hypo and, you know, your third year in the system, second year playing in the system, and then maybe getting drafted high. There's a lot more money that way.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And now you don't know. I mean, it could all turn out he could be fine. But I also think that if you're a Tennessee fan, you shouldn't worry because Josh Hypo is a really good coach. And it's also kind of good showing that you have, like, you know, you're not going to. In future negotiations. You're not going to just placate everyone.

[Hank]

Turns out, one year free agency kind of sucks. As a fan.

[Big Cat]

I. We need two year contracts.

[Hank]

Yeah, it. Listen, it's. It's good for the players in terms of short term. They're able to bounce around where they want if they think a different school is good for them and get paid a shitload of money. It's not always the best thing to transfer, but that option's there, which is a good thing. But as a fan, it sucks, right? It really. It really sucks. Eventually I think that they should have trades. If you're going to have holdouts, we got to have trades now. Do you think we'll ever get to a point where we have a college football draft?

[Big Cat]

Well, I think.

[Hank]

Because that would rock.

[Big Cat]

Trades would be cool. I think it should be like a soccer system where if you go from a smaller school to a bigger school, the bigger school has to pay money to the smaller school. I like that loan system. I thought smaller schools can actually start making money off of this.

[Hank]

I thought you meant like youth academies. No, University of Tennessee Middle School. Yeah, no, no, but you, you recruit guys to go there when they're 11.

[Big Cat]

But like college basketball specifically, like, there's a lot of the mid majors or smaller get rated for their talent for their seniors. Why shouldn't the. Why shouldn't the power fives pay those schools a fee to get their player?

[Hank]

Yeah, I think like, that would be awesome. It just. It will never happen. A draft will never happen for college football. But it would just be funny to think about it happening.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's Nico. It was just crazy. College football sat. And we're actually like. Tennessee had their spring game. We're losing spring games. Spring games are. Are gonna be. I. I bet you in a couple years there'll be no spring games.

[Hank]

Also, Hank, did you hear this one? Did you know his name? It's. I'm a Leva.

[Memes]

That's his last Nico. I'm a leave.

[Hank]

I. I'm a. I'm a leaver.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's not. I'm a staya. Did you hear that?

[Big Cat]

That's the first time. Yeah.

[Memes]

That's one of yours.

[Hank]

That's literally everyone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And then someone, also a fan had on the. His jersey just. He put tape over and said, I'm a. I like pretty good.

[Hank]

I like that.

[Big Cat]

Quick work, Hank.

[Hank]

The day that he signed with Tennessee, everybody that didn't get him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Made that joke immediately.

[Big Cat]

Also, Tennessee has a little bit, a tiny bit to. They're a tiny bit to blame or they shouldn't be a surprise because he prioritized money from the get go.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So you can't be shocked when he prioritizes money again.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, that was the whole reason he went to Tennessee was like, they offered him the most amount of money, and that's how it worked, and that's fine. But then when he turns around, he's like, I want more money. You keep. Like, oh, I can't believe he did this. I thought he loved Knoxville. Yeah.

[Memes]

As a journalist, it's fucked up that their fans were running out. The journalists.

[Big Cat]

There was a little bit. I mean, look, if you're a fan, you don't want it to be true. I think there were a lot of was. Right.

[Hank]

Maybe. Maybe I'm just biased because of the Tennessee fans that I know. There's more than one. Probably. But the writing's been on the wall that Nico was probably gonna try to rake him over the coals.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was definitely in the big T. Knew, you know, he knew. Okay, let's do who's Back of the Week, and then we will get to svp. Who's Back of the Week is brought to you by our friends at Truly Truly Unruly. We love Truly Unruly. It's official Hard seltzer. A Pardon my take. Truly Unruly Lemonade combines the high alk fun of Truly Unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade. Level up your lemonade. 8% ABV 100 delicious. Four supercharged lemonade flavors Bump and Blue Razz OG Original Lemonade, punched up pineapple, Wild pink. It's the official Hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Find Truly Unruly Lemonade at a store near you or Visit truly hard seltzer.com we love truly. We're getting unruly this summer with the lemonade. Again. Four supercharged lemonade flavors bumping blue raz og original lemonade, punched up pineapple and wild pink. I like the wild pink. Level up your lemonade, 8% ABV. 100% delicious. Truly hard seltzer.com find truly unruly eliminate at a store near you or truly hard seltzer.com all right, who's back of the week? Hank, my.

[Memes]

Who's back of the week? I got a couple.

[Hank]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Oh, is it Patty the baddies Starting with them. Yeah, I hear that. I hear that accent. Oh, Patty the baddie. Oh, Patty the baddie. Dude, he's awesome. He's ripped, like, and I. I mean.

[Memes]

He looked so much like. He looked twice as jacked and strong as when we he was first Introduced.

[Big Cat]

To the world and more skilled. Like, when I say he's awesome. We all knew he was awesome. He's an awesome dude, but I feel like he's gotten way better at fighting.

[Memes]

He said that he doesn't. Like before the. The very funny, classic video when he would just bulk up, eat whatever the you want, and then, you know, cut at the very last minute. He actually just stays in shape now and, like, eats healthy and trains correctly, which, you know, shocking. Like, it. It's working for him. Yeah, yeah, he.

[Hank]

He fucked him up good for him. I love watching Patty fight too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then he got into it. He got into, like a little bit of a shouting match afterwards, too.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Where he didn't really shout. He was just like, okay, dude. Yeah, okay.

[Big Cat]

And we like Michael Chandler, too.

[Hank]

He would beat the fuck out of Colby coving.

[Big Cat]

That part sucks.

[Memes]

He slapped Shane.

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah. Beer.

[Memes]

I didn't know that tonight.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. He also.

[Memes]

He was the man at beer Olympics.

[Big Cat]

He was the man at beer Olympics. Because I remember I was just standing with Chris, our friend Chris O'Connor, and I just was like. I was like, hey, Chandler, Chris O'Connor says he can make you tap. And then he just. He just put him in our bar right away. It was awesome. He's the man.

[Memes]

But yeah, Patty, my other who's back of the week is dunking.

[Hank]

Oh, well, you're going to dunk.

[Memes]

I'm going to host a dunk contest.

[Hank]

Oh, that's kind of weird that you'd be hosting a contest for something that you can't do yet.

[Big Cat]

Those who can't do, teach.

[Memes]

It's also.

[Hank]

Also judge. Well, yeah, definitely judge.

[Memes]

It's. It's KFC Dunk A challenge. We have a dunk contest. We have four legitimate dunkers come to the office this week on Wednesday. It's exciting. I feel like, you know, last week was an exciting week in the office. And low key. We got another. Another exciting one on Wednesday.

[Hank]

You're getting tips from them.

[Memes]

Get any tips from them? Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask. Pass them. What?

[Hank]

They pick their brains a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Low key. Low key.

[Memes]

No, it's going to be high.

[Big Cat]

It's going to be pretty high key.

[Memes]

It's going to be exciting.

[Hank]

I mean, high key, low key.

[Memes]

We got. We got. We got flyers coming in the office.

[Big Cat]

Love that.

[Hank]

Very cool.

[Memes]

Me, Hannah Montoya, Wallow and Gilly.

[Big Cat]

Hell yes. Oh, they're coming.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

On Wednesday. Yeah.

[Hank]

Or where's the winner to get them on the show?

[Memes]

2500 yeah, pretty good.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Pft.

[Hank]

My who's back of the week is takes. Takes are back.

[Big Cat]

You just got stopped in your track.

[Hank]

I got dead stopped in my tracks right before we got started taping this segment. I. I have never even conceived of a take this hot in my brain.

[Big Cat]

Literally, while we were sitting here. He just goes, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Hank]

I go, oh, my God. And then you guys were like, what? And I go, this tape.

[Big Cat]

You might have been recording that moment as well. What?

[Hank]

This is a great, great take.

[Big Cat]

I love when PFT really get really respected.

[Hank]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Memes]

Okay, maybe I. I can't even fathom.

[Big Cat]

I'm excited.

[Hank]

The fact that the fact that it.

[Memes]

Has done this could be about.

[Hank]

It hasn't done big numbers yet. But, I mean, I. I don't understand that. This is a. It's insane even coming from the guy that it's coming from. Greg Doyle. Oh, Greg Doyle from the industry just dropped a column. The Internet. This is the end of the Internet. I don't think we can go any further than this. All right, here we go. Here's. Here's the post. Masters contender Bryson DeChambeau accepted $125 million from the alleged backers of 911 quarterback Nico I am Oliva sought additional millions from Tennessee. Which of these is okay with you and why? That's the Post. Then you open it up, and it is a column that is heaping equal amounts of judgment on both Bryson DeChambeau and Nico.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

They're both the same thing, right? Can we talk about something serious without getting snagged by politics or race? Yeah, dumb question. That's always a great way to start out your article is to, like, ask a rhetorical question and then answer it, saying that you shouldn't be doing this column.

[Big Cat]

He loves to do those questions of himself.

[Hank]

No chance of that. Not for society as a whole, anyway. But how about you? How about me? Can the two of us discuss the greed of two very different Americans and the very different societal reaction to that greed? Can we talk about Nico and Bryson? Can we do it without losing our mind? Can we do it without losing our soul? Can we agree that one size as it relates to our reaction to their greed should fit both gentlemen? Both have shamelessly chased the almighty dollar. Nico decided 2 million in nil wasn't enough to play quarterback for Tennessee one year after the state's attorney general fought for and won his right to cash in so richly. Shame on Nico.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

The state. The state's attorney for. Has he no. Has he no respect for the effort and the days of paperwork that the state's attorney did? DeChambeau chose to take $125 million from the Saudi Arabian Arabian government, which is believed to have funded the 911 attack on US soil. Only one has been largely vilified. No, not the guy bought off by the Saudis. No. I think like. Yeah, I think as a society, I can say this. 24 years since it happened, we've come to the conclusion that 911 was bad.

[Big Cat]

Well, not only that, but we also. The. All the live guys got vilified hard for a while.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, it's like all we really.

[Hank]

Yeah, we talked about the entire. Anyways. Solid year. I'm not going to read this column, but somehow in Greg Doyle's brain, society has decided that 911 wasn't that bad and that Nico is worse than 9 11. Oh, you.

[Big Cat]

You miss. He says, Go Bryson. Or. Sorry, but. But the voice of public opinion has been heard on both gentlemen, and overwhelmingly it sounds like this. Go, Bryson. Go to heck, Nico. Sir.

[Hank]

Sir. A second million dollars has been awarded to Nico for attending the University of Tennessee.

[Big Cat]

Go to heck, Nico. This is also just a very dated live is bad take. Yeah, like he's. He's a year and a half behind. Been like, hey, why isn't anyone talking about these.

[Memes]

Mentioned the merger?

[Hank]

No, he does not like the fact.

[Memes]

That PGA has come completely around and to the point of merging with it.

[Hank]

Right. That's like if American Airlines was like mbs. Let's talk turkey here. I'd like to do a frequent flyer mile.

[Big Cat]

This is such a weird. I feel like this article was written just for Henry. Henry Lockwood.

[Hank]

This article was. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like a live head who hates Rory.

[Memes]

No, I. What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

That's what I'm saying.

[Memes]

Like, you announced.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So my. My other real who's back of the week is kidney stones. We are the number one kidney stone podcast in the United States. Big Cat has been. You've had two bouts with the stones, right?

[Big Cat]

Two bouts has been.

[Memes]

How many stones total I've had.

[Big Cat]

I had one and then the last time was four. One that I passed three that I think are just chilling. And that was like in the fall.

[Hank]

And so I. I had my first bout right after. You had your first bout.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

I had a baker's dozen inside me very synced up. I had 13 kidney stones in my system in like 2018. The first one really hurt badly to pass the second and third, I felt them. They weren't nearly as Bad. And then I just kind of forgot about them and didn't follow up with the urologist and figured it will all work its way out. Saturday, I'm sitting on my couch. I'm. I'm helping Blake, who's recovering from his ACL surgery quite nicely. He's doing a great job. He did poop in the bed because he was super relaxed after the surgery. But that's fine. He's a good boy. So I was relaxing in my living room. It was about 6pm yesterday, and I started to get this bad pain. But it's not the same as the first one that I got. This one was directly located on my nuts, in fact, one nut in particular. So I was like, why does my nut hurt so bad? And it got worse and then it got way worse. And then I felt like I was going to pass out and throw up. Started sweating.

[Memes]

I was like, did you just have like, permanent. Like you feel like you just got hit in the nut?

[Hank]

That's it. It feels like I got kicked in the nuts all the time, but it just didn't go. It just. And it got. And it got worse to the point where, like, I was. I was about to pass out from it. So I was like, I gotta go to the hospital. So I go to the hospital. And then on my intake into the hospital, the lady was like, we need to get you fast pass to the back to do an ultrasound on you to make sure you don't have twisted testicles. Sometimes you hear about like, I feel like some baseball players have had that. So then they do an ultrasound of my balls, which is very. It's a very strange thing. And they're like, if it's a twisted testicle, we might have to remove the testicle, but we might be able to save it. So now I'm like, fuck, am I going to walk out of the bathroom one ball lighter? Which I personally would be okay with because I always feel like it's like when you look at flowers, one rose looks very pretty in a vase. Two roses looks awful.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

It's all three roses. Looks great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But I got two nuts. I'd be okay with having one nut. I could make that work.

[Memes]

Also an yellow wristbands for everyone in the office.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It would have been hilarious for the show. Like, just like, you know, I'm the guy with one.

[Memes]

Have some balls. And you could be like, I. Well, too soon.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Or like, Dan Campbell goes for it on fourth down and PFD has to do the. The South Park. But it's Only one ball.

[Hank]

Oh, memes would get so much mileage out of that. Yeah. So. So then I'm in the hospital thinking I might be walking out here a ball lighter, and they do the ultrasound. They tell me good news. It. It's not the twisted testicle, by the way. I don't recommend anybody get an ultrasound done on their. On their nuts because it's very awkward, especially when the technician's a female.

[Big Cat]

They rub that thing.

[Hank]

Yeah, they do the, like, warm gel, and they. They had me get in this weird position, and it was a whole thing. Anyway, so then I go back in the room, and I don't know what's going on, but my nuts keep hurting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. And eventually I get a CAT scan done after, like, four hours in the hospital feeling awful, and it's another kidney stone, which is. At that point, I was pumped. I was pumped. It was a kidney stone, and I wasn't gonna have to get a nut removed. So, yeah, I've been in pretty much. I was in excruciating pain from, like, 5pm till 3am on Saturday.

[Big Cat]

That's the worst.

[Hank]

Now I'm good until like, an hour ago, and it's coming back and it's bad. So, yeah, hopefully I piss this thing out tonight. I've been trying to piss while we podcast today, and nothing's coming out.

[Big Cat]

That's brutal. And you. When you say. Because I had the same thing going to the hospital, when they tell you that it's a kidney stone, it sounds stupid to be like, thank God. But a kidney stone symptoms are basically, you're about to die.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, your. Your. Your internal organs are about to explode. So when they're like, oh, no, you're just a fat piece of shit that probably eats like shit, and you have a bunch of salt that. That formed in your kidney. You'll piss it out in a few days. You're like, thank you. Thank you, Lord. That's all I wanted to hear. Yeah.

[Hank]

At the time, I was like, I'll. I'll change anything. I'll do anything. Just get me out of the hospital. And then they're like, it's a kidney stone. You just maybe need to have, like, one less bowl of ramen per week. And I'm like, yeah, no deal. Yeah, no deal. So, yeah, we're. I mean, we've been through this before. I. I'll be able to piss this thing out. I got multiple kidney stones. I said, but I'm. I'm okay. I'm I'm fine with it. It could have been a lot worse.

[Big Cat]

So this technically means I'm back on the clock.

[Hank]

You're back.

[Big Cat]

Because we have literally gone. I had a kidney stone. You had a kidney stone. I had a kidney stone. You had a kidney stone. So I'm back. It's. It's my turn.

[Hank]

Yeah, they said.

[Memes]

They said multiple whiteboard in the studio.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Well, do you think it has any.

[Memes]

Zero days since the last stone has passed?

[Big Cat]

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that before every podcast we. We dock?

[Hank]

No, probably not.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Hank]

Because if anything. Well, yeah, that's maybe how it gets passed back and forth. We just piss it up each other's dicks all the time. But.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Sorry. It's okay. It's. It's a lot of pain, but it's not nearly as much pain as I was in on. On Saturday. But didn't your.

[Memes]

Your household is snake bitten. You guys are like a playoff team. Just one week after. Yeah, one week after another, just marquee players getting injured, and all of a sudden, the season's just over.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Well, good news is we're getting an impact player back. The El Camino is up and running. Yeah. So now. Now we're. We're living high.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But, yeah, so it was. It was not a fun experience on Saturday. I will not be changing anything likely about my diet.

[Memes]

That's good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I mean, I am who I am at this stage. What am I gonna do? Stop eating salt? Salt is. Is the best thing that you can eat.

[Big Cat]

You can't.

[Hank]

You can't do it. So, Hank, you're actually on the clock.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah, thought about that. No, I'm before Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

Who are we?

[Hank]

Yeah, it's probably true.

[Big Cat]

I. I mean, like, I went to. After my kitty son. I went to get a physical because I was like, oh, I should probably get this checked out. Healthy. As healthy as could be.

[Hank]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

I mean, a little overweight, but everything else. My wife was actually mad at me that my cholesterol was normal. She's like, this is not right. Like, you. You eat, like, run the test again. This is like, you can't. You can't be healthy when, like, everyone else has to, like, do all these things to make sure they stayed up. Sorry.

[Hank]

It is. It's a funny thing when the doctor comes back in and they read your labs for you and they're like, yeah, it turns out your blood work is all excellent.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But you're just. You eat like a. And you've got gravel forming inside of your body.

[Big Cat]

So it was like, yeah, you could lose probably 15, 20, 25 pounds. But everything else good.

[Memes]

Is there a main cause for kidney stones?

[Hank]

Is it salt? There's a couple things.

[Big Cat]

It could be dehydration.

[Hank]

It could be dehydration. It could be somewhat hereditary.

[Big Cat]

There's one that I think probably is my fault. Coffee? Yeah, that could be. It's anything that's like that. That is. What is it? A diuretic? No.

[Hank]

Yeah. The nurse told me, like, multiple caffeine drinks a day will do it. I was like, well, yeah, I do. That's every day. She was like, yeah, me too. Yeah. It's a different type of pain. Big cat.

[PFT Commenter]

You.

[Hank]

You were very well experienced in it. It's the type of pain that people say, I wouldn't wish on my biggest enemy. I disagree wholeheartedly.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

This is the exact thing that you should be wishing on your worst.

[Big Cat]

All my enemies. I want to have this.

[Hank]

Exactly. I want them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Hank. Yes.

[Big Cat]

It feels like you're. It feels like your. Your. Your stomach and back are going to explode at the same time.

[Hank]

Also, the doctor, again, for the second time, told me that this pain is worse than childbirth, which I will not be saying to any women.

[Big Cat]

But it's true.

[Hank]

But it is true.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And so I've given birth to, like, 13. I'm. I'm as tough as Philip River's wife.

[Memes]

Kind of. Kind of good. Lead into my question. Probably a dumb question. Can women get kidney stones?

[Hank]

Yes, they can.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Hank]

And they can be. That's just as painful.

[Big Cat]

But it's gross when they do it. It's manly when we do it.

[Hank]

Yeah. When I stand at the toilet, scream.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank]

That's. That's the difference. Man type alpha.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I think it's more. I think it's more common for men. Yeah. Because we. Because we just go harder in life. Yeah. We just live on the edges.

[Hank]

See, I can't wait. For the second time taking a piss, I hear the ping.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

In the back of the toilet.

[Big Cat]

You need to get the. You need to get the thing.

[Hank]

I got to get the straight. They didn't give me the strainer.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You feel like you feel like a gold rush guy. I would just piss into the. To the strainer.

[Hank]

I did gain a whole new appreciation, though, for ER staff.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

By. Because I had to sit out in the. In the main lobby for not even that long because they rushed me back to do the ultrasound. But I was there for, like, five or six minutes and the, the people that are in an emergency room at like 8pm, 9pm on a Saturday night. God bless those that have to corral them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And get them to communicate.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It's a hell of a job. All right, my. Who's back the week? I have two. The first is going to be, oh, guys lying about their weight. Or maybe not. You see DT President Trump, he's actually lost weight. 224.

[Hank]

224. 6, 3, 2, 24. So that is.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome.

[Hank]

That's RG3.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Maybe DK Metcalf.

[Big Cat]

I love it. And I, I know people like getting a whole tizzy about it. They're like, this is. Listen, if your doctor says it, then it's the truth. I just like, my blood works fine. What do I fucking care?

[Hank]

I think that he does that now. Like, at first I think he was lying about it. Now he lies about it because he knows that people are going to make fun of him for lying about it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. Because he was 230 and now he's 224.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Memes]

The Elon, there was like a article about Elon and how he's like a dumpster fire and people are accusing him of drugs and someone's from SpaceX was like, no, he actually gets randomly drug tested at SpaceX. Passes everyone.

[Hank]

That's good.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Who runs SpaceX?

[Memes]

You are.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Hank]

His drug test is like, yep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, all of them good.

[Hank]

That dude loves ketamine.

[Big Cat]

And then my other who's back is our good friend and colleague, Coach Jon Gruden. Because I took him up to Madison this weekend and I gotta say, it was. I was smiling ear to ear. Not only because I got to see, you know, one of my favorite teams up close. We went to spring practice, but seeing coach Gruden in his natural habitat, we, the Wisconsin posted his speech to the team, which was awesome. But. But there were so many behind the scenes hilarious moments where like, I had to keep, I had to keep like getting him to like, like we were trying to go somewhere and I had to keep like coming back and grabbing him because he would, he would talk to like the tight ends coach and he's like, what, what are you running? Like, what, what formations? What's your, like, what's your language like? And just sit there and talk to him. It was there. There's something that happens when you, when you like go to like the park or you go somewhere with your little kids and if you take your eye off them for a minute, they could be like on the other side of the park. You're like, holy shit. How'd they get over there? They saw a bird or they saw a squirrel. That kept on happening at practice where I would. Basically, I was standing on the sideline and I'd look up and I'd be like, where's Coach Gruden? And he would just be standing next to Coach Fickle, like with a call sheet, ready to call a play. And it was just the best. He had the power stance.

[Hank]

That's like vacation for him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He's just going to visit a practice and just talking about ball.

[Big Cat]

The best was we went up to a kid who was visiting and he was. I don't know, like, I think he was a sophomore. He was visiting Wisconsin and he's a running back and just. Coach Gruden just went up to him. He's like, how deep you line up? He's like, I'm the quarterback. Show me how deep you line up. And that was it. That was your whole conversation. It's like, all right, good to meet you. He just wanted to know. He just wanted to know how deep they're lining up in high school football.

[Hank]

He looks so happy just being around a football team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And somehow. And I felt a little bit hurt. I did. Because we've lined up in formation for him here at work.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And he doesn't have that same spunk in his step when he sees us do it as he does an actual collegiate Division 1 football team. It was a little bit hurtful.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But he was smiling. He was so happy. He was so happy. We were just like. He was smiling the whole time. It's great to see him in it. I wanna. I don't wanna lose him. But I also. When you see someone along you, when you see someone that happy in that habitat, you're just like, ah.

[Hank]

It's like if you got a dog, like a border collie and you live in an apartment and your dog loves you, you have a great time with the dog and then you take the dog out to like an open air dog park with some. Maybe some wildlife run around and you just see it immediately start to, like, hurt him. And you're like, that's where you should be doing that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Well, it's like he's. He's a he. He needs to be leading men.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, it's hard. It's hard to be a leader of. Of big, strong, alpha men. And he is, like, in every room he's in, he is the alpha.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And that's like, hard to come by. And that's what, you know, where he belongs.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it's also just funny watching, like, football guys. The amount of connections they have is just insane. Like, he was just a. There was a guy he had coached who was, you know, who he saw. There's a guy whose son. He coached, the kid's dad, like, all this stuff, and it's just like football guys just have just connections everywhere.

[Hank]

I love the speech that he gave, too. I feel like he just. He listened to Meek Mill like a month ago, and he just wrote down, I'm going to talk about dreams.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's his speech. His speech from the Raiders hard knocks. He like kind of put all his speeches together, just being like, the rock, you know, we pound that, right? You pound that rock, it's not gonna break. You pound that rock, it's not gonna be all of us. Pound that rock, that thing's gonna smash.

[Hank]

And everybody in the room was like, he's right. Yeah, Coach is right.

[Big Cat]

10% from you, 4%, 2% from you. Okay, number one, everybody has dreams. I mean, everybody's got dreams of winning the Big Ten, getting in the playoffs, getting a new Nil deal. Everybody has what? Dreams. I'm into nightmares. You guys got to end people's dreams, you understand that? Miami Ohio's coming in here in a couple months. You end their dreams, okay? And then you get on with the schedule. But everybody's got dreams now. It's your job to end those dreams and become a nightmare coming out of the tunnel. Yes. Okay. Number two is there's a thing called the team. It's called the what? The team. There's a lot of people, I think, in football now that aren't invested in the team. Are we clear on that? I want you to envision a big rock right here. The rock is the opponent. And if you pound that rock by yourself, that rock won't crack. If you pound a rock with them, that rock won't crack. And that rock is Michigan. That rock is Alabama. We all got a pound of what? We all got a pound of what?

[Hank]

Okay, invest in this team and these.

[Big Cat]

Next couple weeks before spring practice goes away. Invest in your teammates, man. Go out of your way to get to know each other and have a rock mentality. Point number three, real quick, is communication. Say it with me. It ain't good enough. It's not good enough anywhere. Coaches were not communicating good enough together. Players and coaches don't communicate good enough together.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Every blown coverage, every big running play, there's a lack of what on defense? Recognize the set, make the call, and let's roll. Yeah. Let's communicate better. And then the last thing I'll leave you with is this. What I've noticed is there's really good effort here. Really good. But there's a big difference between good and great. Are we clear on that? You get one shot at 20, 25. That's it. And as soon as you break your eyes and open them, it's over. We got to do a better job, I think, of working together. Yes. I'm talking about our effort, our execution, our enthusiasm and our intensity. You turn it up 4%, 2%, 8%, 10%, and that accumulation is going to turn us into a freaking nightmare. You guys dig it? You guys believe in each other or not? Go prove it. All right, let's go, man. Let's have a great day. Let's go. Oh, so pumped up. But yeah, it was great. All right, let's get to our interview with Scott Van Pelt live from Augusta Airport. Always fun to catch up with him. Talk some more Masters. Talk some more Rory. Okay, before we do that, we got a couple ads.

[Hank]

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[Big Cat]

Okay. We now welcome on one of our best friends, a very, very special guest live from Augusta tradition unlike any other. Scott Van Pelt from the Augusta Airport after the Masters. And we've been doing this for, I don't know, six, seven years outside of the Tiger. This has got to be Tiger in 2019. This has got to be the best. I mean, this was an incredible, incredible Sunday. I don't even know where to start other than I. We all just sat there and watched it and was like, sports are the best. This is the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Perfectly said. Did you feel like you were going to vomit? I did.

[Big Cat]

Well, about that. You are technically talking to a room full of Rory haters. So we were, we were very happy when this was all going down. Now, as haters, we, we already taped the beginning of the show. Basically, what I said was sometimes as a hater, you got to tip your hat. And I was happy that he had to earn it in a way where he choked and then came back. And then he choked and then he came back where it's like, he did it. He really did it. And I was satisfied at the end of being like, if he's going to do it one way, I'd rather this than having him win by six strokes and have it be a laugher.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I. Look, you said it correctly. I mean, it was, it was a roller coaster, as he described it. And the thing that was nuts. And you try to make put it in context, like, for SportsCenter, our highlight, like our first pass highlight was 11 and a half minutes long. And that's to tell the story, like, I think accurately and and thoroughly, right where it's the DeChambeau Rory bit. And like, by the time it's over, like, you forget that even happened.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

December is just kind of out there. And it started with, like, he throws up on himself in the first hole and he's behind after the second hole, and you're like, this is nuts. He's going to lose to this guy again. He's going to have to walk with him for five hours. This is going to be brutal. But then immediately he's back ahead, and you're like, okay, here we go. But it just. It almost felt like with Rory, for him to do it then it was gonna have to be this excruciating exercise where he would hit, like, the shot on 15, which is like the Sam Cassell meme, right? I mean, big, brave bowls and he swoops it around and. But then you gotta make that putt for eagle. Like Tiger makes that putt for eagle 100 times out of 100. Yeah, he doesn't. He just doesn't. And then you're like, wait, Rose is. Oh, shit, Rose has a birdie. Oh, my God, they're tied again. And now he hits the shot on 17, which is incredible. No one ever hits it close on 17. When they have to make birdie to take the lead. He does. Then he hits a perfect drive. And then that wedge on 18 is just. You can't do that. And he does. And then there's that putt, and you just. I didn't think he'd make it. And he didn't. And at that point, I'm thinking, this poor guy is going to have to live with this, and he's going to become Greg Norman, and someday he's going to be 50 something years old and he won't be here. And we're going to wonder how that happened, right? But then. But then he hits the wedge and in the playoff. That's a forever shot. Like it's a shot of a lifetime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Multiple shots. Yeah, he had.

[Big Cat]

He had.

[Hank]

You just described two of his shots of a lifetime today. Yeah, he had, like. It was an incredible, incredible comeback for him after it was over. You get to see a little behind the scenes, Scott. You get to see what's going on when they're not on camera. What was Rory's. What was his mentality like? Did you see anything from him that showed relief or what. What were his emotions?

[PFT Commenter]

A hundred. The. I think what he was feeling, Patrick, was relief.

[Hank]

I'm sorry if Dicky V calls me Patrick. My name's Patrick. That's just.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been. I've been. I've been waiting for weeks to say that. Well, it's. He said it. It was almost all relief. And the thing that Andy north described to me that I find amazing, but I guess I get it, is that when you do it. And Andy didn't win the Grand Slam, obviously, but he won a couple of majors, and he's like, you feel so much More relief than joy. And like, when you saw him fall to his knees and you saw him walking and just it looked like he was like, I've seen that look before, but it was pft. It was you handing me mushrooms in the wind. He's just like. And you're thinking, man, I just can't imagine what he's trying to process in real time. And he admitted that this was a burden. This was a lot. He was carrying this around for more than for 14 years. And everyone's asking, what are you going to do? And every year he's got to come put on a brave face and say, well, I feel like I'm ready. And then, you know, it looks like it's his time, and then all of a sudden it's not. And then it is, and then it's not. And so, you know, I'm waiting to see if I can. If I hear from Marty Smith, who's going to do the Sunday conversation with him tonight to get any insight, like, you know, is there any sort of home run soundbite that he'd give Marty? Because they've got a great relationship. But I just, I thought that it was so obvious that, sure, there's joy in there and they're going to get to it. But clearly it was like, just, thank God I did it, because if he didn't today, right then, then, then it would have reasonably been like, it's just, it's just not meant to be.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it really was. Even as, as haters, like we said, it was still one of those moments when he finally sinks the putt to win it. It's like, man, this is cool, because you don't know. I mean, what's the stat? I think it's two times in the last 50 years we've had a career Grand Slam. You don't know how many times it's going to happen in your lifetime. And like, to put it like, in your, from your perspective of golf aficionado, you've been to the master so many times, like, career Grand Slam, like, that's something really, really special.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I mean, I said it on Sports center. Like, you're in a group with people that are in black and white pictures that are gone from this earth, not forgotten, obviously, because the club is small. And it was really like, one of the really cool things about this week is that the people you cross paths with and I actually got to spend some time Saturday night with Roger Federer, who is just couldn't be, he's couldn't be a greater guy And I asked him, and I said, this is really wild to me. Like, when you won in 2009 to beat. To won the French Open to win the Grand Slam, it was the sixth guy, just like Rory and Nadal had been beaten that, like, that's the guy no one could beat. And he got beaten by some guy named Robin Soderling. All due respect to Robin, I could be an awl. I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know a lot about him, but, like, that's the time where you have to do this or it's not going to happen. And. And Fed said, yeah, man. I call him Fed. We're like, you know, like that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's like, yeah. He's like. But you just have to remind yourself that this is what you do. This is. I've done this and just trust. I was like, yeah, but how do you sleep that night? He's like, not well. You know, it's a lot. And Rory admitted he was nervous as hell this morning. And so to join this club, you're not. Just like, when CBS put the graphic up, I'm like, oh, God, right. It doesn't say to win the Masters. It says to win the career Grand Slam. And he knows that. And that's why, I think that's why he didn't hit the hole the first time, because the weight of that is just so immense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I was wondering how he was going to handle that, you know, being tied for, like, playing in the final group going into Sunday. When you go home on Saturday, if you're Rory and you've got this history of blowing leads, what do you do to. Because there's no chance that you're going to get a good night's sleep at that point. Right. Like, you almost have to knock yourself out. Be like, give me a. Give me a sleeping pill at 7pm because otherwise I'm going to be. I'm going to be staying up. I'm not going to sleep at all. I'm going to come into the courts feeling like the next morning. I can't imagine the night's sleep that he had and then the start that he had today and then to bounce back from that. I wonder what happened between holes one and two. Like, how. How he managed to. To stop the slide at that moment. Did. Did you hear anything about that?

[PFT Commenter]

No. I mean, he just the. The thing. And, and he didn't say this, but. But Andy did. Andy said. I think actually he did say. He said. He said it almost was like A jolt that woke me up. And all of a sudden. The weird thing about golf, I think we might have talked about this through the years, is that for whatever reason, leading is just not what anyone wants to do. It's almost like nascar. You'd rather draft off whoever until the last turn and then take the lead when it's over because it's a. It's a lot to carry the lead. And the thing about the, the, the sleep that I get, I'm sure it wasn't easy, but the bigger issue is that it's such a long wait. You don't go off until 2:30 in the afternoon. It's like, what do you do all day? You got a little. You got a young daughter, she's up early. I'm sure. Like, you get up, do what, hang out, wait. You can have. You could have breakfast, take a nap, work out, have lunch. And you still have two hours till you play. And all you can do is think about the end and what happens at the end and how do you get to that. And it takes all day to get there, and all you're doing is thinking. And so him being falling behind after the second hole, you immediately saw what happens. He birdies three DeChambeau bogeys. He birdies forward DeChambeau bogeards. And then you're like, okay, cool, he's got a little bit of a gap here. And then he birdies nine and ten and you're like, we're off to the races. No, it was just never going to be easy. So, I mean, but I don't know, the days here tend to always be memorable, but like, the back and forth and the playoff and the fact that it's rose. I mean, the whole thing is just an incredible, incredible day of drama here. And I don't know, I'm still trying to make sense of it all.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I said at the start of the show it was the most schizophrenic 18 holes for Rory, where he had. I think his final tally was six birdies, three bogeys and two double bogeys.

[PFT Commenter]

He just, the card was a disaster. There's just square circles, and it doesn't look like. It does not look like a winning scorecard.

[Big Cat]

Right, Right. And so in 18, you said. You just said that you kind of expected him to miss that first putt on 18 to go to the playoffs. So you, you thought in the moment like, this is he still got one more mountain to climb where it's like, he's still got one more. I want to say choke. But like it did feel like that where it would be one step forward and two steps back.

[PFT Commenter]

It I did because it felt like it was that distance. And the shadows show you every little bump and imperfection in these grains which are basically perfect. And I'm sure that it must have looked a mile long. And the reason I thought that is because not because I didn't think he was capable. It's just the weight of what it was. And he admitted it. And then you saw it with how he reacted after the fact. I mean, it was just this boulder on his back.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And so, and that putt like as we're looking at it. And again, it's fun to watch with Andy because he's like, this is actually, it's an easier bunker shot because it's on an upslope. And like this is. You get this up and down seven or eight out of ten times for sure. Like he should be close. And then as it, as it runs out of steam, we both look at each other and are like, oh, this is in that range where I mean, a normal human would poop pants. Yeah, but like full on poop pants. Yeah, but I, you know, he didn't, he didn't poop his pants, but he didn't hit the hole much either. And you're like, oh my God. But to his credit, you know, he said, his caddy just said to him, going back to the te. You'd have taken you to. Taken this on Monday if, if I told you Monday we'd be going back to the playoff on Sunday. And by the way, that's. That's somebody that you wanted. And that's foxhole guy right there, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. His caddy's known him forever, since he was seven years old. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Big time foxhole guy there to be like, hey, we'd have taken the. As opposed to hey Bozo, we should be putting a jacket on right now. And you should be, you should be in the Butler cabin with Jim and Scotty and Chairman Ridley. Instead of that, like you give him an attaboy and say, look, we're good. And then he was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I mean, in the end, I suppose in some ways it just makes it more dramatic. Maybe it makes it more fulfilling, cathartic, I don't know. But like you're. He was an all time player forever. But again you join pictures, it's. It's guys that aren't alive anymore in black and white pictures. Jack, Tiger and me, like that's the club, right?

[Big Cat]

It's Pretty good. It's pretty insane. And what about. What about the shot on 15? I mean, that. Can you put it into perspective? Because Nance did say on the call, he said, shot of a lifetime. It did feel like that was another one of those moments where he goes in the water and then he has that shot, and you're like, he's just battling this. And that was an incredible, incredible shot. But like you say, you know, you're watching a lot of it with Andy North, Badger. No big deal. What. What. Put that shot into perspective and how hard that shot is.

[PFT Commenter]

Hold on, let me get. Let me do it. Let me give it. Is that it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, there we go. Oh, actually, keep the. Keep the. Keep the phone like that. That's perfect, because it won't. It won't shove around. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So there you go. W for Wisconsin. It's. It's. Yeah, it's a shot of a lifetime. But again, if. For it to be like the shot we talk about forever, you got to make the Eagle, and then you don't go to a playoff. And then that's the. That's the shot we put on video and roll forever. Instead, it'll be him on his knees, just sobbing. But the. Like. I thought he hit it too far left, but all that did. And again, Andy just gives such great context. He said, when you're hitting a hook, it actually is. It puts you in a position to. To. As he described, you're going to release the club because you're. I can't technically describe it, but he just said that it's. It benefited him to be hitting a hook. And as soon as he hit it, he's walking after it like he did yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And when Rory starts bouncing and the shoulders start bouncing down the fairway, that's when, you know, like, oh, shit, here we go. And, I mean, when he stuffs it in there like that, like, make the put new and it's curtains. It wasn't. But then the shot on 17 was just as good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But then on 18, as this is the roller coaster in the. You know, it's sort of what he does. And as bad as the wedge on 18 was in regulation, the wedge in the playoff was, you know, up right up on the. The little slope there. Pulls it back and, you know, I. If Rose makes the putt, do you think he makes the second one?

[Hank]

I don't know. I don't think so. Although that was more of a. It was more of a Give me. I agree with you that the initial shot that he had on 18. That is the worst distance to have to putt for a major championship from. Because it's enough to make you think about. I would rather put from like two feet behind that. Because then you have that little, like, you know, a little aggressiveness in your mind. Like, I can make this. I can prove the haters wrong. When you're. When you're putting from like four feet, you're thinking, oh, fuck, the haters might be right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

The entire time.

[PFT Commenter]

And it was. And it's kind of. It's kind of PT the distance that I can't even deliver the line without laughing. Like, that's how you know you're a dumbass when you laugh at your own stupid.

[Hank]

No, it's good.

[Big Cat]

It's good.

[Hank]

Before we started taping, he called me PDF, which I'm very glad.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm punting on the bit. You're 100, right? Because it was like the distance at Pinehurst. And it's different because the last one on Piners was downhill. And it breaks left to right for a right hander. That's the worst putt because you just. It was. But it was in that distance where it was uncomfortable.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And like the Rose putt is. Is the perfect length because you got to hit it. And the birdie putty made. I'm talking in regulation. Like, you gotta hit it. And he let it go. And by the way, he knew it was then he had his hat off early and like, look from Rose. And he's an awesome guy who at 44, lost in the playoff twice here.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And if he would have won, it would have been an incredible story. But there wasn't one human rooting for him because everyone here just wanted to see. Except the haters.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you have. Did you have a Rose future?

[Big Cat]

No, we didn't. We just, we listen. We like the storylines. And Rory choking in that way would have been hilarious.

[Hank]

Yeah, I was, I was.

[Big Cat]

Okay. We tipped our cap. Like, all credit to him. I think the moment is incredible. He's an all time golfer. I was like a little emotional watching him be emotional. But if you asked me during it, like we predicted on Friday, we said we had Ryan Whitney on. He's like, if there's a five footer on 18, if he misses, he goes to a playoff. If he hits it, he's a Masters champion. What are you rooting for? I was like, absolutely. Playoff, 100%.

[Hank]

That said I was rooting for him after he got into the playoff to win. But I'm not going to lie I was pumped when he missed that putt because, like, number one, free golf, number two, our dumb brains can continue on with the storyline of Rory. Can't win a big one at Augusta. I mean, you were there. What was the vibe like? Because I. When I was watching on tv, I got the sense as Rory was. Was falling back and. And Rose was coming on, I got the sense that the. The patrons were a little bit excited to see maybe an epic collapse from Rory and maybe. Or at least have it be interesting at the end.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I hear what you. I. I think everyone's just like, oh, we get to stay and. And we get to watch more. And I think there. There's something to. It'll be cool to see a playoff because it's. That you just take what's the drama of the day and you add another layer we didn't know we were going to get. So that I'll give you. But, like, every time. And CBS did an awesome job showing it every time they would post on the leaderboard the score, and you saw rory, like, double 13, and everyone's like, oh, you saw, like, hands surrender, cobra. Hands on head. Like, oh, no. And then when they post the birdie on 17, everyone goes nuts because they know he's coming to this hole, and we get to welcome him home, and it's going to be great. And then he puts it in the bunker, and then they're like, you got to be kidding me, right? I mean, so the back and forth was like, the drama builds, but there was a lot of Rory, Rory, Rory. Chants and they were wanting to see it, and then in the end, they did. And again, I think it's not just somebody wins the Masters every year. Like, no one's won the Grand Slam since Tiger, and that's been a long time all stacked on top of another and who it was. And because he had been through all these things, this. This is the guy that. That more people on than not on the grounds were absolutely behind.

[Big Cat]

And it was his day. And it is a great story. Do you think that Rory. This is like a Steve Young monkey off his back, where. I know he obviously has been phenomenal recently in great form, but it had been 11 years. Do you think he's going to get hot here and you're going to see, you know, another Masters, another major where he just, like, this is kind of breaking the valve or breaking the seal, so to speak?

[PFT Commenter]

100%. And I mean, I'm sure that he would say, well, I mean, I wanted pebble and I won the players this year already. I won the players before, but the counter to that is cool. You've got more money than. Than you need anyway. And those tournaments, ultimately, in the grand scheme, don't matter. And we count majors among the very best.

[Big Cat]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

And I. So what? While the wins before were great, this is. This is the dam burst that now frees him up to be truly, like, fuck it. I'm going to go do, like. I mean, think about it in a way where now no one can say anything to you, and someone says, hey, Roy, shut your. Shut your mouth. Yeah, you're coming off stupid. Like, I just won the Masters and I'm good. I'm house. House money. No, he's got a ton of Runway in front of him. He could stack three or four more of these. Quail Hollow. He's won four times, which is where they go next. So I think we have. We tend to have this recency bias where whoever wins, we say they might win a few more, but in Rory's case, unburdened from this, he could just let it rip forever. And if he. He's got nothing. What's the. What's the Joker line? And the Dark Knight. You have nothing to threaten me with.

[Big Cat]

Right? And the way he did it to. The way he did it, like, I really do think it would be different if he had run. If he had won away. Run away from this. When that Moment happens on 10, I believe, and he's four strokes ahead of Justin Rose, and you're like, all right, this is it. There's a coronation. But to have the ups and downs and the chokes and the comebacks, like, he really did do it in a way that it feels like he just freed himself from everything.

[PFT Commenter]

I do think there's something to that. It'd be like if someone had a lead in a Super bowl and then they blew it, but then they won an overtime, it'd be like. It's almost like you won it twice. You know what I mean?

[Big Cat]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

And then roar with Roy, it almost feels like he won it three times.

[Big Cat]

I know.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like he had it, then he blew it. Then he takes the lead on 15, then he makes it on 17. It's almost like four times. Whatever it is, all he needed was one. He did it. And I don't know. I'm just. I'm happy for him. Like, I. I get that. Haters.

[Big Cat]

No, we're happy for him. Listen, I. We explained it, but, like, you have to. When you're watching golf. Like, I don't you have guys you root for. You guys, you don't. And. And that's okay. Yeah, we don't.

[Hank]

How about Max, Our good friend Max?

[Big Cat]

Who's. Who's taking credit for this? Because this is, you know, the start of the championship dvd. We had him on first this week, then you obviously did Wednesday with him. So who gets credit?

[PFT Commenter]

Said I was one of his. He said I was one of his favorites, and I said, who do you like more? And he's like, big cat and bfp.

[Hank]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

All right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Third.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. That's good. So. Yeah. So we're so. Max. Yeah. Incredible week for Max. Incredible week for. Hey, by the way we talk about this, have you ever talked to the marker?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's the McDermott. Yeah, he's a friend of mine.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you can't. You can't. He can't talk to the media, though. But, like, is that not the coolest job ever?

[PFT Commenter]

We. He's a fantastic guy. He's very, very understated, and I know that he enjoyed himself, and it. It was a cool weekend for him.

[Hank]

Wait, so he is talking to the media?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, not. I did. There was no interview. There was. There was no. I just know him. So.

[Big Cat]

So he talked to you.

[Hank]

Sounds like there might be an opening for the marker. Hank. We're trying to get Hank that gig. No, but it does seem like a very cool job. Has he ever mentioned anything about how he shouldn't play too good because he doesn't want to, like, take. Undermine anybody's confidence out there?

[PFT Commenter]

This is. It's actually kind of a fascinating concept. Like, the story goes back, ironically enough, about the. The guy, Jeff Knox, that was the marker before the current guy that does it. And I. I believe that. Google check, fact check me on this, because I believe that he played with Rory one year, and the story went that they were like, all right, let's play it and see how it goes. And he beat Rory.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And.

[PFT Commenter]

And. But the. The markers there to just be like, look, I'm here to keep pace. If you want me to put out, I will. If you don't, I won't. Like, whatever. I'm just here so that you. And it's actually Augusta national thinks of everything, and they don't want the player to be in a gigantic rush or feel compelled to have to hurry. Take your time. And so that's the. The job of the marker, who obviously is also a really good player. But again, the story goes that, like, Knox and Rory played, and I. I think he beat Him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And so, you know, worked out okay for Rory because I don't think. I don't think the. The marker never won the Masters and today Rory did. But.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I know. He's. He's an awesome dude. Awesome, awesome guy.

[Big Cat]

He. He's a good vibes guy because we. We noted that Tom Kim and Brian Campbell had their best rounds this week when he, when playing with the marker, did we get any conclusion to the amateur that Pete and Ray's Creek. Is he. Is he in El Salvador? What's going on?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. I'm not sure what happened there. I think that there was. He thought he had cover, and then there was applause at the conclusion. And I mean, I would. I don't know, but I would guess that maybe you just say, hey, just so you know, there's actually. There's a bathroom there on 13, right behind that T. Yeah. So maybe. Maybe next time maybe try that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

We thought that the worst crime was him wearing the upside down sun devil's hat.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Hank]

That was a worse look for Augusta.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a new thing that, like, you know, that's a. Like a lot of last couple of years, like, the cool club started doing the hats with the big. Whatever the word is a big word for your club. But the new thing is the upside down hats. I'm old and I'm out of it. I don't know what the trends are, but apparently that's the new one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You wouldn't understand. It's not like it.

[Hank]

It's like the bumper sticker that says, if you can read this, flip me over on a Jeep.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. What about. What about Scotty? Obviously didn't. Didn't get it done. I felt like I. Maybe I was reading too much into it. The way he got out of there after the. Rory putting on the green jacket. I feel like he's going to be on Revenge Tour.

[PFT Commenter]

I think this is the thing about. About Scott and I did a bad job today because I thought when. I thought when DeChambeau hit it in the water on 11, I'm like, oh, we' here. I. I lost track of Oberg and Rose and didn't even realize that they were. Had a chance to do what they did. And all of a sudden, here they came. Scheffler felt like he didn't play great. Right. Fourth.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, that's how good that guy is. Didn't really feel like it felt a little bit off. Still finished 4th revenge tour. I mean, Scotty's good. I don't think he's not the sort of dude that's wired for revenge, but probably will win a bunch of tournaments between now and the end of the year, for sure. I. But I think, like, the guy that doesn't win, you just want to get the hell out of the way and let whoever has his moment, particularly when it's Rory, like, have the moment to himself.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

Yeah. What about. What about Rory on thirteen when he found the water after he laid up? That was one of the worst shots that I've seen by a major champion, maybe ever. So just how bad was that shot?

[PFT Commenter]

You can't do it. Can't miss like that. Like, I hated the layup.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And the re. The reason I hated the layup, even though he executed the layup obviously perfect until he hit it in the water, is that, like, there's. There's a saying I've heard coaches and I always go back to Gary Williams at Maryland, and he said, like, if you play a certain way to build a lead and then you play completely different to protect the lead, you end up often giving up your lead because you played a certain way. There's a certain level of aggression. Rory hit a really nice drive on. On 13, and I get it. You don't want to take on the. Bring a big number into play with a second shot to try to get to the green. But he could have gotten to the green, and obviously, in retrospect, if you know you're going to hit in the water, you would. You would have tried to go for the green and two anyway. But the wedge game has been always been Rory's weakest part of his game. You saw it on 18 in regulation, and he had 82 yards. Like, that's a pitching putt swing for anyone. And he managed to let it leak. Right. And make the one mistake he couldn't make. But, I mean, it didn't kill him in the end. I mean, he made four doubles. That's the most anyone's ever made to win the Masters. But that. That swing, the swing on 18 and regulation, those are the moments that you're like, I can't believe he's going to do this again. But then he goes in the bag and pulls out magic time and time again.

[Big Cat]

So it really was incredible. It was just. It was one of the most memorable Masters I can remember. Just, like, sitting there the entire afternoon being like, I have to stay glued to this. I'm not even, like, going to take a piss because I want to watch every shot.

[Hank]

You.

[PFT Commenter]

You went piss Dogs. You went.

[Big Cat]

I went piss dogs. I would love to have gone piss dogs. All right. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Can I ask you one?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm just. I'm just genuinely curious because, like, you guys know, I've told you this, I said it with Rosillo this week that, like, this is my favorite week of the year. I love it. Being here for a million reasons, like, this weekend was incredible. The weather's perfect. The people here are awesome. The story today was awesome. Like, do you guys. Today was great, but, like, is this an event you guys like? I mean, is it something you guys look forward to?

[Hank]

Oh, I love. I love Masters week.

[Big Cat]

Absolutely up there. In terms of the sports calendar, it's like, you know, if you do the sports calendar, I mean, all football season, but March Madness, Masters, World Series, like, it's. It's absolutely in there in the top. You know, whatever you want to say. Hey, here's six things that you can't miss. Masters are absolutely in there every single year.

[PFT Commenter]

Sports draft.

[Big Cat]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

That's on it?

[Hank]

Yeah. That's a good one.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what everyone asked me about all week long? We got to take a walk, boys.

[Hank]

Let's do it.

[Big Cat]

All right, so wait, I have a. Let me. Let me queue up the last question. But hold on, Scott, I. Well, okay, go ahead. Let's do this first. I'll do. When you go back, I'll do the last question. Let's see it. This is this.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. I waited. Hold on. Where. I need to tell you where I was first, because it's. I didn't think it. I've been. I've been greeting you from the Pop Newman conference room here.

[Big Cat]

Here in Augusta.

[PFT Commenter]

Now. Now I'm going to stroll down and let's see it. Great disappointment.

[Big Cat]

No.

[Hank]

What are the options here?

[Big Cat]

No, you got to. You know what, Scott? Maybe next year.

[Hank]

Wait, what's that in the middle? The Ruger.

[PFT Commenter]

Ruger?

[Hank]

Is that a gun?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't even know what that is.

[Big Cat]

Scott. Maybe next year.

[PFT Commenter]

Apparently, it's a delicious vanilla wafer jumbo. We got the Jumbo honey buns, and we got the. The Mrs. Freshley's donut sticks, but there's. There's no Big Texas, but there is my guy here, who I don't want.

[Big Cat]

To rub it in. Yeah, yeah, maybe next year. You skip Augusta. You just come to the PMT studios.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, there we go.

[Big Cat]

We got. We got.

[Hank]

Hank's got a whole box.

[Big Cat]

We got a whole box.

[Hank]

We got two.

[Big Cat]

You know what?

[PFT Commenter]

We got two smashing Big Texas.

[Hank]

Look at this.

[Big Cat]

We got the whole big Texas. We got to get this. Sponsored by big Texas next year. Oh, I'm good. That's good. So good.

[PFT Commenter]

How do you. How would you describe the density of that?

[Big Cat]

Oh, it's so dense.

[Hank]

It's a hockey puck.

[Big Cat]

It's. Yeah, it's dense. It's very dense, yet airy. Yeah.

[Hank]

430 calories.

[PFT Commenter]

Enjoy. And that's just what you. The density is what you want to put in your stomach.

[Big Cat]

We got the whole big Texas.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, Max. Enjoy our basketball coach, buddy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Max. Oh, yeah. Max, you gotta go. Go back in the room right now real quick, because Scott's gotta go, but you gotta answer this real quick.

[Hank]

But you got buzz.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no, it's fine. Again, we're. We're good. I. I'm sure we're buzz, guys.

[Big Cat]

Hey, did you see that, like, all across Maryland, Twitter, the clips that, like a buzz is a dog buzzes. The guy was all PMT interview. We love buzz because we love him. Like it was being used all the time because he's the best.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, like sending out notes as we speak.

[Big Cat]

Right. Max, you want to say sorry to. For stealing Scott's coach? No, I think we're both in a good spot. Okay. I think.

[Hank]

I think all as well as that is end well with Maryland Villanova.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

Has it ended well? Kinda. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Win the crown. The coaching cert. The coaching search has ended.

[Hank]

No, this is actually like the start.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, this is the start of the. Of the.

[Hank]

You're confused about this.

[Big Cat]

I hope that there's a little Maryland Villanova rivalry. I would love.

[Hank]

I would love to do a home and home.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so do we.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I love it. I love it. All right, my last question. Rollback question. R, H, O, B, A, C, K.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, short shorts, everything. Rollback.com promo code. Take. I. I forgot shorts. I actually have the robot shorts. They're very, very good. It's golf season. Roback.com promo code take. All right, my last question. It's actually a guest question because. And you mentioned this. You said that this is your favorite week of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Now, is that because you don't have to spend any time with Stanford Steve. He was wondering because that's her.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I. I want. I want him here. Every. The people want him here.

[Big Cat]

We.

[PFT Commenter]

We. We're gonna. I'm gonna build a groundswell to have him here.

[Big Cat]

This is not real. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna show up. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm here with Scott. And, like, we don't know what you're talking about. And you're gonna be on the other side of the gate. You're gonna be like, oh, Steve, I'm sorry. I thought I put your name.

[Hank]

That's perfect. Because you know that. You know that he's not gonna get there. So you're doing the whole, I'm gonna start a movement, that. That you get the credit for starting the movement. But, you know, at the end of the day, this is your week. This is like taking time away from family.

[PFT Commenter]

Drive away.

[Big Cat]

He asked me. He literally texted me.

[PFT Commenter]

He text him, yeah, he's my favorite human, and I want him to come here because he's. He's become like, Mr. Golf. When we go to Quail Hollow next month, we're going to be wandering fairways, he's going to have a sweat towel cooking, and he should be here. He would love it. He would love everything about this week.

[Hank]

Steve would do some damage on the barbecue sandwiches and $2.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he would. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Absolute carnage.

[Big Cat]

Steven.

[PFT Commenter]

There's. He. I mean, yes, we have to fix that. So. All right, we'll get. All right, look, the work starts right now. Today.

[Big Cat]

He. He. Listen, I just. I'm going. He texted me, said, you taped Scott yet? I said, we just started. He said, this is his favorite week of the year. He says it all the time. Is it because he doesn't have to see or be around me?

[PFT Commenter]

What is that about? Like, I love him. Hey, listen, he's the one that graduated to game day, and, like, we gotta.

[Big Cat]

Oh, there we go.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you know, somebody's hanging with Coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Saban and, you know, Pat and Herbie and Race and can't be bothered to hang out with little old me. I'm only on at midnight. You know, I'm not kicking it off at noon, you know.

[Big Cat]

You know what this is? This is. This is something that we go through. Like, when you have a week off from each other by the Sunday, you're like, man, I missed my bud. I think that's what he was doing. He was texting me, like, get back, Scott. We miss you.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I'm going to hop on a plane and go home. And I believe Steve's on vacation, so he doesn't miss me that bad because he's not going to be there when we get back.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Hank]

And he's just trying to find some strange since you left him. He's going to start a podcast on a cruise strip with somebody. Fling.

[Big Cat]

You See, we, we get, we get a shot of Stanford Steve in, in Cabo with Jim Rome. We're like, what the hell racket.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, that's fine. I hope he has fun.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Are we good?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You're the best, Scott. Thank you as always. Sorry you didn't get.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going to tell you this. I want to tell you this. Thank you to you guys for having me on. You know how much I love it and it's, it's, it's you. It should warm all of our hearts. How many people I see out here at Augusta national who are only say, I, I can't wait to see you on with the boys tonight. Big Texas, blah, blah, blah. So this. Is this on the long list of traditions like this became one. Yeah, I look forward to it.

[Big Cat]

And, and one year we're actually going to go to Augusta and we'll do that in the. We'll do the show in the Pop Newman room with you live.

[Hank]

Yeah, we won't go to the tournament. We'll just hang out at the airport.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

And then we'll just wait for you.

[PFT Commenter]

You should. It'd be a blast. And a lot of, a lot of people coming through. No, you should come to the tournament, though. It's worth seeing.

[Hank]

Yeah, and we'll.

[PFT Commenter]

And you can come with Steve and we can eat barbecue sandwiches.

[Big Cat]

That sounds good. Yeah. Hank's now saying please. He's gonna text me tomorrow morning, be like, did you follow up with Scott about calling to the Masters?

[Hank]

It sounded like there were more birds there this year. Is that something you picked up on in person? The birds seem louder.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

I heard a lot of chirps, a lot of birds.

[PFT Commenter]

Not a lot of squirrels though. Don't see too many squirrels.

[Hank]

Interesting Biz has a theory about it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right. Thanks, Scott. Appreciate it.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you boys. Be good. Until next time.

[Hank]

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[Memes]

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[Hank]

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[Big Cat]

Okay, quick Monday reading before we do lottery ball. There was a really good story on golf.com let me shout out. The writer of James Colgan wrote about the only master story Jim Nance won't tell. So it was a really good story. Go read it on golf.com but I wanted to bring it up because I finally feel at peace with the gymnast Toast. Remember we had the issue where we thought it was maybe a prank, maybe not a prank. His toe style. So it turns out it was a.

[Memes]

Prank that he would keep a picture.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. With. Yeah. Keep a card of his toast because he likes extra burnt.

[Hank]

He would allegedly show it to servers.

[Big Cat]

Correct.

[Hank]

Like this is when I order toast. This is how I want it.

[Memes]

And you thought that was fake.

[Big Cat]

So there was someone. Who do we have on that was like.

[Hank]

It was Raftery.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

But I, I've heard that it's real.

[Big Cat]

Raftery said he'd never seen the card and he was like, I don't know if that's real. He might have been pranking.

[Hank]

He probably doesn't have breakfast. He's probably, you know, after. He might get up at 10am True.

[Big Cat]

So the card is a prank. But he does like his toast Nance style. And he calls it Nance style.

[Hank]

Oh, I love that.

[Big Cat]

So he got to the bottom of it. So this reporter went to a diner with him out in Carmel, California, Pebble Beach. And when he walked in, he said, I'll do the toast. Nance style. And the waitress was a newer waitress there and said, and by Nance style you mean? And he just said, oh, just put it through the toaster twice. So they got into like the, the. The origin of this. So he loves his toast extra burnt. And apparently he was doing one of these stories like 10 years ago with a reporter kind of embedded with him. And that's where the prank comes in. So his longtime assistant. Let me, let me find. Okay, here we go. Nance finds a whole ordeal deeply funny, if only because the actual origin of the legend was a prank. The wallet photo was a gag gift from Nance's longtime assistant, Melissa Miller. Yocum, longtime friend and co author, was the target when the two met for breakfast to conduct an interview for forthcoming master story. Nance ordered his special brand of toast. He does like it crispy. So that's confirmed. Confirmed with his laminated wallet card. And he told to the reporter, I made sure the reporter saw the card. And when he asked about it, I said, well, that card has saved me a lot of hours. I told Guy, do the math with me. I eat toast six days a week. Which, by the way, I eat toast once, about once a month. This is him talking now. The toast comes out and it's not done. Now the eggs come out, but the toast has got to be sent back because it's not burned. So now I finished my eggs, but I've lost ten minutes waiting. Ten minutes, six days a week. That's an hour a week. Now there's 52 weeks in a year. I'm rounding down that I'm saving two days a year. So that was how the whole thing happened.

[Hank]

So it was a joke. And then the reporter saw it. The reporter wrote it up as written. They didn't fact check the joke.

[Big Cat]

He loves his toast extra toasty. But the actual card was a joke on a reporter.

[Hank]

It sounds like the joke was not really a joke. It was like, here, Jim, this will actually save you time. And then Jim was like, oh, that's so funny. Yeah, but it was like one of those serious haha jokes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but I'm happy we got to the bottom of it.

[Memes]

Do we have to question the tie?

[Hank]

No, the tie's real. The ties giving away the tie was.

[Big Cat]

Realized because he saw it and he got shaped.

[Hank]

Yeah, it was real because he was. He was angry that the story got out.

[Big Cat]

Yes.

[Hank]

He was like, that's supposed to be just a nice behind the scenes thing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

How much do you think Jim Nance gets paid?

[Big Cat]

A lot.

[Hank]

I think he I think he gets paid more than you think he does.

[Big Cat]

Were you guys a little sad at the end of the Masters today? Like we only have 10 more of these?

[Hank]

I was, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Is it 10 or 11?

[Big Cat]

11. Sorry. 11 more of these.

[Memes]

Don't, don't, don't. Don't cut us short.

[Big Cat]

We have 11 more of these. That's. That's going to go by in a blink.

[Hank]

I'm going to guess Jim Nance gets 15 million a year.

[Memes]

How many more? I was going to say 20.

[Big Cat]

I mean, he does NFL and.

[Hank]

Oh, that's right.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

So probably. Probably 35 mil.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he gets a lot.

[Hank]

Good for him.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

How many more shots of a lifetime in 11 years?

[Big Cat]

Six. Two.

[Hank]

Well, I think every player. It could be 11, because every player can have their own shot of a lifetime.

[PFT Commenter]

True.

[Hank]

It's not shot.

[Big Cat]

Rory can't.

[Hank]

Jim Nance doesn't say shot of my lifetime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Rory can't.

[Hank]

No, that's. He already had.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Hank]

He even had two.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he did. All right, finish up numbers, by the way. I'll do three. You got it. You can have it. I don't care who has it, who has to get it. Who got it?

[Hank]

I got it. No, take four.

[Big Cat]

I'll take five. Someone at the airport gave SCP a big Texas. So he did get his.

[Hank]

Love that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he just texted us. He's like, update. Someone handed me this. So he got his big Texas.

[Memes]

So we take 11. Minus 11.

[Big Cat]

What's Rory's. What's something. Rory?

[Memes]

He's minus 11. Oh, he shot 73 today.

[Hank]

He is 73.

[Memes]

This is fifth major.

[Hank]

35 years old.

[Big Cat]

44. I think it's his fifth. No, I just assumed four. No, he won. He won the US Open twice.

[Hank]

Why were you that broken up about that, Memes?

[Big Cat]

I don't know. He tied Brooks.

[Hank]

No, no, he was just like, I.

[Big Cat]

Want to get it. I want to get it today.

[Memes]

A major.

[Big Cat]

All right, everyone say their numbers again.

[Memes]

4, 20, 11, 73.

[Big Cat]

You are never gonna get it. How many majors will Rory have before memes gets it?

[Hank]

Seven.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna say seven as well.

[PFT Commenter]

44.

[Memes]

Seven's probably a safe bet. Get to at least two years.

[Hank]

Well, how should we do a punishment.

[Big Cat]

If Rory gets to seven majors before.

[Hank]

Me, before Memes gets a number? I think I should punish him.

[Big Cat]

Memes has to play Augusta until he shoots the 73. Done. You can't leave, though. Go. That. You can't stop playing.

[Hank]

You have to. You have to move.

[Memes]

You can't get. We're not going to get you on. You have to just.

[Big Cat]

No, it's got to be on the simulator. We'll just find a simulator. You'll be on the simulator.

[Hank]

You got. You have to get married and divorced and then married again.

[Big Cat]

Okay. The same woman.

[Hank]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Memes is never going to get it. 90.

[Hank]

Love you guys.