Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald, March Has Arrived, CBB, Combine Cleanup + 10 Years Of Pardon My Take Memories

Summary

Pardon My Take: Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald, March Has Arrived, CBB, Combine Cleanup + 10 Years Of Pardon My Take Memories

Date: March 2, 2026
Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Special Guest: Seattle Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald

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Episode Overview

The episode celebrates the 10-year anniversary of "Pardon My Take" while diving deep into the start of March sports madness: college basketball, NFL Combine stories, and an in-depth interview with Super Bowl-winning Seattle Seahawks head coach Mike Macdonald. The crew reminisces about the show's history, discusses notable recent sports happenings, and delivers their trademark banter on everything from conference tournaments to pizza mix-ups—plus, a look into their own personal growth over a decade of podcasting.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

1. Welcome to March & Spring Sports Outlook

[02:49–12:15]

• The hosts officially declare winter over, embrace March Madness, and talk about conference championships, the MLB starting, and the excitement surrounding bracket season.
• Baseball fever: pitchers and catchers have reported, spring training games are in full swing, and the team is pumped for return of warm weather and golf.
• Banter about the peculiarities of winter’s length and clock confusion (Daylight Savings update).
  • Notable Quote:
    “Something about March. You got March Madness, conference championship week, baseball will be played this month.” — PFT Commenter [03:05]
• Light-hearted team banter about sleep schedules, stream recaps, pizza delivery mix-ups, and internal office jokes.

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2. 36-Hour Stream & PMT Challenges Debrief

[06:06–12:15]

• Zach and Max recap their grueling 36-hour live-stream challenge: Oregon Trail, late-night gaming, “sassy Lego” builds, "Itchy Golf," and tattoo bets.
• Technical issues derailed some plans (“Sleep Tight Saquon” still to be written).
  • “The sassy Lego segment, A plus rules, F minus for execution.” — PFT Commenter [08:37]
• Viewer engagement: Netflix session tattoos (Vanny Woodhead, tire), peer-pressure banter, and the origins of hypothetical spinoff pods.

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3. College Basketball: March Has Truly Arrived

[14:32–26:41]

• Hosts break down this year’s NCAA men's basketball season, highlighting the dominance of Michigan, UConn, Duke, Arizona, and Florida.
• Inside look at conference results: top teams flexing muscle in head-to-head, and several unexpected blowouts.
  • “This is one of my favorite college hoop seasons we’ve had in a long time... five, maybe six, absolutely dominant teams.” — PFT Commenter [14:32]
• Second-tier contenders discussed, and analysis on conference structures (bye formats, tournament advantages).
• Notable debates: Miami of Ohio’s at-large case, Bruce Pearl’s media advocacy for his son/Auburn, and old-school gripes about conference unfairness.
• Fun detail: Rick Pitino’s “white suit” game superstition, Alfredo sauce (is it Italian?), and Villanova’s injury woes.

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4. NFL Combine & Offseason Chatter

[29:46–41:02]

• Recap of Combine trending stories:
  • “Aaron Glenn fell asleep” controversy—debunked as legacy media hype.
    • “He was looking down at his tablet—guys can’t look at their tablets anymore!” — Big Cat [29:57]
  • Blazing 40 times, the influence of high school training, and growing numbness to elite athleticism.
  • Tight end Kenyon Siddiq’s historic 4.39s 40-yard dash.
  • Mocking the over-analysis of “weird” interviews (Makai Lemon) and hands/arm-measurement drama.
  • Not-so-glamorous side: NFLPA report cards—Bengals get an F- in food, Steelers have just five bathroom stalls.
    • “The Bengals punish you for opening your mouth.” — Big Cat [35:33]
• Quarterback movement speculative analysis: J.J. McCarthy and the Vikings, Geno Smith’s future, combine hand sizes, and pro day number inflation.

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5. Golf & MLB Talk; All-You-Can-Eat Ballpark Deal

[41:02–47:18]

• Shane Lowry’s epic meltdown (“biggest choke,” double water balls—“up three with three to go, double bogeys two holes in a row”).
• Analysis of “life hacks” for winning golf tournaments—have kids, get married, or, as with Echeveria, buy a house.
• Cardinals’ $29 all-you-can-eat tickets spark debate on food value and child-proofing ballpark trips.

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6. Who's Back of the Week

[47:37–60:13]

• Hank: Awls (PMT listeners) and their dogs—PMT dog toy with Hank’s face is an internet sensation.
• Celtics’ offensive explosion (“best rating in NBA history” vs the Nets).
  • “You beat the Nets… name three players on the Nets.” [50:09]
• PFT: PMT inserting itself into global politics—#FreeChet (Chet Hanks stuck in Colombia).
• Media mishaps—Mark Sanchez’s “four substance combo night” in Indy.
• Memes: Social media beefs, banter about NBA games and gambling.
• Zach: NASCAR’s Tyler Reddick’s historic 3-0 start to the season.

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7. Feature Interview: Seahawks HC Mike Macdonald

[61:49–111:18]

Major Topics & Timestamps:

• Super Bowl Champion Reactions (62:02–64:00)
  • How surreal the win feels, parenthood moments, odd headlines about "spending 30 minutes/week with son."
• Football Philosophy & Approach (64:00–65:57)
  • "Football genius?" Reluctant to take credit; credits players and staff.
  • On his role: “My job is to put the players in the best spot as many times as possible in a game.” [64:44]
• Game Memory/Film Study (65:01–66:57)
  • Macdonald easily recalls Super Bowl play sequences and play-calling philosophy, down to specific yardage.
• Super Bowl Defensive Gameplan (66:23–68:09)
  • Insight on Devin Witherspoon’s blitz role, disguising pressure, and dialing up aggression.
• Relationship with Seahawks GM John Schneider (68:41–69:50)
• Sam Darnold’s Arrival & Success (69:50–71:24)
  • “He beat us; we couldn’t get to him. That stuck with us.” [72:02]
• Football Journey & Harbaugh Connections (72:46–74:38)
  • Michigan & Baltimore roots, Harbaugh family anecdotes, racing/friendly sibling feuds.
• Special Teams Emphasis & Defensive Identity (79:00–80:05)
  • Why special teams matter, Harbaugh legacy, the “Dark Side” nickname.
• Playcalling & Coaching Style (80:05–81:47)
  • Head coaching vs. DC duties—collaborative headset chaos.
• Super Bowl Approach, Managing the Moment (81:47–83:53)
  • “I’m not celebrating until it’s zeros… learned to keep the pedal down.”
• Personality Break: Barking Tradition, Locker Room Culture (108:45–110:22)
  • “Give me two barks!”—how a pregame ritual started, building camaraderie.
• Practical Jokes & Player Relations (misc.)
  • Exchanges about LinkedIn, awkward pauses, the “best job in the world” vibes.

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8. PMT 10-Year Anniversary Reflections

[112:53–140:55]

• Emotional, honest discussion about the show's journey—personal/professional growth, audience appreciation, and the changing landscape of podcasting.
  • Notable Quotes:
    “Ten years of PMT to the day. Dumbest thing I’ve ever listened to. Complete garbage. Bunch of idiots who have no idea what they’re talking about. I haven’t missed an episode. 5 stars. Would recommend.” — Big Cat, reading a fan description [113:54]
  • PFT’s "drunk gratitude tweet" read aloud by Zach: heartfelt thanks to Big Cat, Hank, the crew, and listeners.
• Behind-the-scenes: origin stories for memes, Max, and the supporting cast; appreciation for everyone, including past contributors.
• Acknowledgment of past listeners, shifting lives, and gratitude for the show's role in their routines.
• Nostalgia overload: early episode promises (joining a cult "every week," airport reviews), episode one’s clunky audio, and jokes about maturing (or not) over a decade.
• Hints about the future—book release, vow renewal, wild promises for episode 20.
  • “We are going to ride it until we are the biggest old losers that everyone makes fun of and parodies, because we started parodying everyone else.” — Big Cat [125:05]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I tried to order a skinny pizza. Got the heaviest pizza of all time—might have switched pies.” — Big Cat [06:36]
• “I watched a spring training game…I watched like actual baseball on TV.” — Big Cat [03:35]
• “It’s one of those seasons: five, maybe six, absolutely dominant [CBB] teams.” — PFT Commenter [14:32]
• “He just doesn’t look—he just looks at his phone when the Sixers are going on a run...” — Max (NBA arguments amidst podcasting) [38:18]
• “Rams were the only team that we just could not crack the code on.” — Mike Macdonald [78:04]
• “Ten years of what we’ve done all day, every day…I want this to be the only job I have for the rest of my life.” — Big Cat [119:00]

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Classic PMT: irreverent, introspective, celebratory, sentimental at times but always ready for a bit.
• Vibe: A crowded, lively roundtable mixing sports insight with roast-style friendship and vulnerability. Sincere gratitude for the audience and each other, without losing the comedic, off-topic flair fans love.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a time capsule of what makes "Pardon My Take" tick:

• You’ll find in-the-weeds sports discussion (from CBB bracketology to NFL combine minutiae);
• A unique, lengthy sit-down with a championship NFL coach who explains Xs-and-Os, locker room culture, and the life of a play-calling head coach;
• Hilarious asides and inside jokes about everything from bad pizza to fake Italian food and Super Bowl Gatorade ear infections;
• A generous serving of group nostalgia, gratitude, and the show's foundational idiocy.

Even if you haven’t listened for 10 years, this episode offers a comprehensive, fun, and heartfelt "state of the pod" alongside all the best takes you’d expect from PMT.

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End-of-Show Ritual: Lottery Ball/Numbers Game

[140:55–143:00]

• The classic PMT numbers pick closes out the show, with upgraded stakes: what will break up the show first—the Jets winning a Super Bowl, or the passage of time?

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For More:
Catch the full episode on all major podcast platforms, and find bonus content at barstool.link/pardon-my-take

Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big Cat]

This is March.

[PFT Commenter]

This is March. Two weeks to brackets. Some stories from the Combine I don't know. We had some guys running fast. Who's back of the week? And it's all brought to you by our friends at Experian. Experian offers features like subscription cancellation, where Experian scans the accounts you link, finds recurring charges and puts a power in your hands. You can keep the subscriptions you want and cancel the ones you no longer need. Experian can cancel over 200 eligible subscriptions from streaming services to entertainment apps and more experience. Bill negotiation could also help put money back in your pocket. Their expert negotiators could help you by finding better rates on eligible bills you're already paying. The best part? You get to keep 100% of your savings. Results will vary. Not all bills or subscriptions are eligible. Savings not guaranteed. Paid membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details. Get started in the Experian app now. Okay, let's go. Football guy.

[Mike McDonald]

Patino awm.

[PFT Commenter]

Welcome to Part of My take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Monday, March 2nd, and this is March. Pft.

[Big Cat]

We made it.

[PFT Commenter]

Something about it, man. Something about March. You turn the Calendar. I know that there probably will still be a couple weeks left of cold weather somewhere mixed in here, but the calendar turns. You got March madness. You got conference championship week. You got brackets, you got. You have. Baseball will be played this month.

[Big Cat]

You got b. Well, pitchers and catches already reported. I watched baseball. I watched baseball tonight.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Which was.

[Big Cat]

Which was crazy.

[Memes]

They've been playing games for weeks.

[Big Cat]

There is no.

[PFT Commenter]

But he is right. Pitchers and catchers have already reported.

[Big Cat]

They've already reported. But I've been. I watched a spring training game. I watched like actual baseball on tv.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It's all happening. It feels good.

[Memes]

We got.

[Big Cat]

We got the. It's. I think it's the official end of winter. Winter's done.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I just don't like the tenant. I don't like the temp feet.

[Big Cat]

It was like 30 degrees this morning and that's fine. 30 degrees made weather. Next week it's gonna be 60. Get the golf shoes out. Get the shorts out. We made it.

[Memes]

Another joke year of winter in Chicago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

I'll say it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The only thing that sucked about this winter was the. Well, again, I don't want to tempt it because we will get. It will probably snow in April now that we've said all this, but the. The snowstorm we had in Thanksgiving, that. That's what sucked. When it was early. But other than that, it wasn't that like the Northeast got it worse than us this year. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Soft winter in the Midwest.

[Max]

I think winter is now just earlier. Like it starts in November and ends mid. Middle of February.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you saying that just because of this winter?

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. I was going to say last winter was not that at all, but this.

[Max]

That's how it's going to go.

[PFT Commenter]

What just happened is going to keep happening.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It starts early, ends early.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

It did feel like winter Irish goodbyed us this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It just kind of left and. And we're gone and off Knocking on wood.

[PFT Commenter]

By the way, hand up, we are an accountable podcast. When we get things wrong, we say we get things wrong. We up. The clocks are changing this Saturday.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So hand up we. That. I woke up this morning, I was very confused. Like I thought it was this weekend. But yeah, that does mean more sunlight, Hank. Sunlight. Sun's gonna be setting at like 6:45.

[Big Cat]

You know what that means? Sunday, you get to spend more time with the kids.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Very excited about that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's golf season also.

[Big Cat]

We gotta do something about the clocks. Our clock situation. I feel like the. The daylight savings.

[Zach]

I'M dead.

[Big Cat]

Snafu starts from the top down. Because our. Our wall of clocks right now, it's in bad shape.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

We've got some that are just on zero. I don't know if that was a countdown to World War iii. And we hit that on Saturday morning. There's some that say 658.

[PFT Commenter]

That's like ours, by the way. That's. That's World war III number 15.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We've had a lot of World War Three.

[Big Cat]

I think it was the first World War Three of the year, though, which I feel like those are getting earlier and earlier every year.

[PFT Commenter]

I do distinctly remember World War iii, like, three or four years ago, where Billy was like, no, you guys don't get it. This is World War Three.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Max]

One of those outlets had to be unplugged because Zach had to plug in his bomb.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. By the way, no Hamas. World War three, no Hamas.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach, how are you feeling? You did a 36 hour stream. You did it.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Max]

Me.

[Zach]

Me and Max were able to accomplish, like, quite a few hours live at the same time. I think it went good. It was a lot of fun. It was. It was a great time.

[Big Cat]

That's a great way to phrase.

[PFT Commenter]

How did you. How did you just, like, collapse when you got home last night?

[Zach]

Yeah. Got home, ordered pizza, ate some slices. Good pass right out. I thought I ordered deep dish. I didn't order deep dish, but I definitely ordered, like, a thicker pie. And then it came. Skinniest pie you've ever seen, so.

[Big Cat]

Zach, I did the exact opposite last night. I tried to order a skinny pizza, and then I got home, it got delivered, and I. I took it from the guy. I was like, this is the heaviest pizza I've ever had in my hands. I think we might have switched pies because I brought inside, and I was like, what am I gonna do with this? It was like a 15 pound pizza.

[Zach]

Oh, if only we would had, like that discourse yesterday. I would. I would have traded.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I would have driven this pizza over to your apartment. Just traded right then.

[PFT Commenter]

But you did a good job, Zach. Proud of you. I came by on Saturday afternoon to maybe the saddest thing I'd ever seen. It was no one in the office, Zach. Playing Oregon Trail. Just full conversation with the chat to stay awake, I assume.

[Zach]

Yes. I was fading pretty bad at that point. The Chinese workout saved me. It really did.

[PFT Commenter]

And then we played a little video games. I had to leave. And you. I mean, you. You did it. You did it. That Was a. That was a hall of a stream.

[Zach]

Just got to get better at picks.

[PFT Commenter]

What was. What was your favorite moment? Max, from. From the stream. You stayed extra.

[Max]

You stayed till 7am I gave an extra. I gave Zach an extra five. I was supposed to do 18 hours. I did 23.

[Memes]

I think the scheduling, in hindsight, we did Zach a little dirty with the. With this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, we probably should have scheduled it where either Max comes in for the last 18 or during a work week when people are here. Because, again, it was like. It was kind of creepy walking into the office, not a soul in this office. And like how the office is laid out, going all the way through the office to the PMT studio, into the PMT studio, into this little corner, and then Zach's just like, huddled over a screen.

[Max]

Yeah, I think. Well, the big thing is we had to use the studio and we don't have to. It's hard to find two full days where we're just not using this.

[PFT Commenter]

True, true.

[Max]

So that was the. That was the reasoning of why it was. We could have done Saturday in. Into Sunday.

[PFT Commenter]

We should have just done it where you. You came for last 18.

[Max]

Yeah, that. That would have worked as well.

[Big Cat]

Can we look back at the segments that you guys had planned and kind of give them grades based on how they turned out compared to how you had them planned? We're excited. The Sassy Legos got off to a hot start.

[PFT Commenter]

A plus rules, F minus for execution.

[Max]

It's impossible.

[PFT Commenter]

You didn't build the Lego.

[Zach]

You can't build the Lego with those on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And now we've got them everywhere.

[Big Cat]

We got nails all around the office.

[Max]

They fell off. They fell off, like, sporadically within, like 20 minutes. Sassy. Listen, I might not be a sassy Lego guy. One thing that we still owe the people we. We were planning on. We still have to write Sleep Tight Saquon.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you didn't do Sleep Tight Saquon.

[Max]

We. So we had some technical issues on Friday night that led to a big problem that really derailed a lot of the things that we had planned for Friday night. So in our. We are going to do a stream soon where Zach and I do write Sleep tight Sake.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, good.

[Big Cat]

Going to need that one. What about Itchy Golf?

[Max]

I thought Itchy Golf was great. The Itchy part wasn't great. The Itchy part wasn't great.

[Big Cat]

That's kind of a big part of it. Itchy Golf.

[Max]

Well, we bought. We brought a. We bought a product that was supposed to be itching powder. It was Baby powder.

[Big Cat]

I think you got.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Big Cat]

You got some product that was stepped on.

[Max]

It felt good. Like, it felt good on your hands.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. It was not itchy.

[Max]

It wasn't itchy at all. I would have. I would have put it on my balls for sure.

[Zach]

Even if the itchy powder was extremely itchy. I think the hardest part there is still the golf. Yeah, the golf's impossible.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And how long did it take you to get your birdie?

[Memes]

Five hours.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

I think five hours is inaccurate.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Longer.

[PFT Commenter]

I was.

[Memes]

I. I thought it was going to be like two or three hours. I committed to staying, and I think I left at like 8, and we started at 3.

[Big Cat]

What about the booth? 10k?

[Max]

Booth 10k was good.

[PFT Commenter]

You guys finished it?

[Max]

Kind of.

[PFT Commenter]

What did you finish?

[Max]

I got. I got a dub.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. 36 hours stream. What?

[Max]

And we got a birdie.

[PFT Commenter]

You got a bird?

[Big Cat]

Birdie. Me and big cat got tattoos.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

If you watch on Netflix. Check it out.

[Memes]

Look at.

[Big Cat]

Look at that beast. You got the V. Wood tire.

[PFT Commenter]

The tire.

[Big Cat]

I forgot about it. And I woke up on Saturday morning. Blake wake. Woke me up by jumping on the bed. Middle claw, boom. Directly to the ribs. Right on the tat.

[PFT Commenter]

I got the. I got Vanny Woodhead right on my forearm. Love it. Love it. So, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Hank, what'd you get? Didn't get one.

[PFT Commenter]

It's basically his way of quiet quitting our friendship. Yeah. That's insane. No, but he'll always say, but guess what? Who got the first.

[Memes]

Yeah, we can be insane seven years ago.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe we're just gonna be messy about it and be like, Hank. Hank is just quiet quit us.

[Big Cat]

And that's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

It's peer pressure.

[Big Cat]

I can tell when we're not wanting.

[PFT Commenter]

This is the moment we can look back and be like, yeah, we should have known.

[Big Cat]

Hank. Big time. Hank's on for bigger and better things. The Michael Scott podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

That is. It is weird that you got an impulsive tattoo.

[Memes]

I promise you I will. There will. There will be no other podcast. Not on this one.

[PFT Commenter]

Max actually believed me there. His head. He was like, you got an impulsive tattoo.

[Max]

Well, I thought there was, like, maybe.

[Mike McDonald]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Hank, would you ever start your own podcast?

[Max]

Never.

[Big Cat]

Oh, you wouldn't want to.

[PFT Commenter]

I would actually love spin off version of Hank.

[Max]

I finish football factory.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

How'd that go?

[Big Cat]

Hank and I did talk about doing a spin off pod, like seven years ago. Do your pod. Just Patriots related. I'm down to restart that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think you talked about Hank. Hank sat in the room while he talked about it. He rolled his eyes. I'm.

[Big Cat]

I'm 100% down to restart that idea. If you want to, I would love for you guys to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's one episode.

[Big Cat]

We'll do one episode. Yeah, maybe season preview.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Max]

That's basically what part of my take was over.

[PFT Commenter]

It was just you two talking about the Patriots. It was. Do your podcast. People love season.

[Max]

People love it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, let's do some national sport. We're going to talk some more ten year stuff after Mike McDonald, by the way, incredible interview. Super bowl winning head coach. Let's do some, let's do some national sports podcast talk. You want to do it? You want to dive into it?

[Big Cat]

Let's dive in.

[PFT Commenter]

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[PFT Commenter]

One of my favorite college hoop season we've had in a long time. And I think this past week has crystallized it in the fact that we have five. You could even maybe go to six. Just absolutely dominant team. So in the past week we had the power five conferences all had matchups where it was the number one team versus the number two team in their conference. And here are the scores. Here's what the number one team did. The number one team won all of them. It started with on Wednesday night when St. John's and UConn played. UConn beat him 72 to 40. Killed them. Then Friday night Michigan beat Illinois at Illinois 84 70. Duke pieced up Virginia again 1 verse 277 51. Arizona kicked the shit out of Kansas 84 61. And then Florida beat Arkansas by 34 points on Saturday night. And it's these five teams right now, Michigan, UConn, Duke, Arizona and Florida that are playing at such an insane level. I'm so excited for brackets. So excited.

[Big Cat]

There's some second tier teams too that for sure that are, that are capable of winning it all. But yeah, but those, those seats it did separate a little bit. UConn seems to be feeling themselves a little bit now too, which is nice to see.

[PFT Commenter]

Although they struggle a little with Seton Hall.

[Big Cat]

Yeah but they, I, I on senior Day I would not, I would not leave Yukon out of the discussion for a team that could win a championship.

[PFT Commenter]

Florida though, I've been talking about Florida for, for three weeks. They're this, they, they can shoot threes now. They absolutely kicked. I mean that was the worst loss Cal party. I think it was tied for the worst lost Cal party he's ever had. And they just throttle teams. And I saw the stat from Matthew Winick. He said that from like just, just from an analytical where these teams would rank in net ratings in previous years because you have this like these top top one seeds right now are projected to be or the at least the top Four teams in the net right now are Duke, Michigan, Arizona and Florida. And basically they would be the best team. All four of them would be the best team in the previous five years, and they're all four in this year.

[Big Cat]

So there might be some chaos. They're going to be some really good games at the end.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Well.

[PFT Commenter]

And I mean, there are really good teams, like. Yeah. I mean, the Houston. I mean, what Texas Tech did to Iowa State was shocking as well. That was a crazy, crazy game. Alabama's playing lights out, like going to Tennessee and winning that game. There's just a lot of really good teams and then there are a handful of extremely dominant teams to the point where if they were in any other season, they would be the best team. But there's four or five of them right now.

[Big Cat]

I was kind of hoping that Alabama was going to get their big man back again against Tennessee. Yeah, like there was going to be another judge's ruling where this guy could only play games against the University of Tennessee. And then there would be another stay or an injunction and he'd have to go back to the NBA. Yeah, there's. There's some great, great teams. Purdue, very funny loss by Purdue.

[PFT Commenter]

Two losses this week.

[Big Cat]

Really enjoyed that from the Boilermakers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they've lost. They lost twice this week. They are. And they're still top. I mean, they won't, they won't be top 10 after this week. But two, two losses this week. The bubble's getting tighter. We've got also.

[Big Cat]

I do think this is the year Nebraska gets their win. Yeah, I think, I think they have to. Yeah, I think that might be my game of the century of the week.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. It's like it's gonna be like a three or four. There probably be a three seed.

[Big Cat]

It's now or never. They gotta win.

[PFT Commenter]

They just gotta win.

[Big Cat]

They're gonna be like minus 300 in the first. Minus 400. They gotta win.

[PFT Commenter]

We also have the, the. The pre mad. We, we. We have it working both ways. We have the. Some of the old school people saying that Miami of Ohio has to win the Mac to get in. They shouldn't be in otherwise. Then we have people pre mad, but they're going to be in no matter what. They should be now. The winning every con if they go undefeated in the conference. That is so hard to do in college basketball no matter what conference you play in. But I did like Bruce Pearl no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. I think they'll be in no matter what.

[Zach]

I do.

[PFT Commenter]

I do.

[Memes]

What if they lose in like the second round of the conference.

[Big Cat]

I think they still should be.

[PFT Commenter]

The Mac does kind of screw the Mac. Like it sucks for the.

[Memes]

No matter what.

[PFT Commenter]

If it does suck for my. Of Ohio that the Mac doesn't. There's some conference tournaments where like the Big Ten has a triple buy for. For their top four teams. The Mac, I'm pretty sure just goes eight teams, regular brackets. So it does, it does hurt them. I think if they, if they win, if they go undefeated in the conference, they have to. I think. How many games they have left. They have two games left. One game left. Two games left in the conference. I'm saying if they go undefeated in the conference and then losing the conference tournament, I think they will be in. But Bruce Pearl, very funny using his time on CBS because he's on the desk now saying that they're not one of the 68 best teams and they have to win their tournament to qualify. I wonder if that had anything to do with the fact that Bruce Pearl's son, who is now the coach of Auburn, is firmly on the bubble.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. At large.

[PFT Commenter]

Has nothing to do. That's just a coincidence. Just a, Just a real weird coincidence that happened.

[Big Cat]

You know how like when you go on cnbc, you have to disclose if you have a short position and whatever stock you're talking about.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Bruce Pearl should be forced to remind everybody. Hey, my. I gave my son the head coaching job at Auburn.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Just so you guys know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The. I just. I, I think it's just so difficult to win every conference game. Like, given how long the season is. I mean, you look at some of the results that happen. Iowa goes to Penn State yesterday and loses, you know, like ucla. Who'd UCLA lose to this weekend?

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

They lost. I can't remember who they lost to, but they, you know, off of like looking like they had kind of righted the ship. UCLA lost. Like it's just Minnesota. Yeah. Like at Minnesota is. It's just very hard to win every conference game. There's a Florida who looks incredible. Lost to Auburn a month and a half ago.

[Big Cat]

Chad Baker. Missouri is out at USC right now. So he'll probably. Can he come back for a 10th year.

[PFT Commenter]

He has to be able to.

[Big Cat]

Is there any more eligibility?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. USC's unfortunately, the wheels have fallen off there.

[Big Cat]

But I was looking at the, the, the bracket for the Sunbelt Championship and that. The bracket for this tournament. Just so.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The one where you get like 17 buys.

[Memes]

You've got.

[Big Cat]

You've got Troy and Marshall that are grandfathered into the SEM semifinals.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Already. And then so on each side, it's like, yeah, L.A. they could win the Sunbelt tournament, but they'd have to win 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 games in a row. Whereas Troy could win the tournament. They would have to win two games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The whack is doing. Yeah. Zaga and St. Mary's are always in the semifinals.

[Big Cat]

It's a great format for a tournament, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

That was. It was Sad. I'm happy St. Mary's won. That was the final regular season game not talked about enough that Gonzaga is going to the PAC 12. So that was the final regular season game between Gonzaga and St. Mary's is conference opponents. Hopefully they'll schedule out of conference.

[Big Cat]

They should. And also it's very funny that Gonzaga is finally joining the PAC 12 now.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

After decades of us begging them to.

[PFT Commenter]

Max, you got white suited. Rick Patino shows up in the white suit. They had all his. He. All his friends were in the white suit. You had round ball, Lenny, Wildcat, Paul, Michigan, Mike. They had.

[Max]

There was no. At no point was Villanova ever going to win that. I told both of you.

[PFT Commenter]

Credit to Matt Saturday morning.

[Max]

I was like, there's.

[PFT Commenter]

He said no shot. He was like, there's. They got no shot. This is going to be the. The. I mean, Rick Patino said. He was like, this is the most important game of my career.

[Max]

I don't know if he said career, but I think he at least said this is. This is the biggest game of the year by far.

[Big Cat]

When he breaks out the whites and

[Max]

he brought out the white suit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like there was.

[Max]

They were never going to win.

[PFT Commenter]

At no point. No point. No point. Point.

[Big Cat]

You think he. He only orders Alfredo when he's eaten in the white suit. Right? Like no marinara.

[Max]

He doesn't do Alfredo.

[Big Cat]

Not even the white suit.

[Max]

Al Alfredo. Alfredo's fake Italian.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What? Oh, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is this true?

[Max]

Alfredo's not. Alfredo's not real Italian.

[PFT Commenter]

That's fake Italian. He. He would maybe do a chicken, A lemon chicken. Maybe do a lemon chicken.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Max]

I mean, like cacio e pepe.

[Big Cat]

That's.

[Max]

That's Italian.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But Alfredo, there's no heavy cream in.

[Max]

In Italian cuisine.

[PFT Commenter]

This is going to start a war. Yeah. I don't.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if this is true. Max is name Alfredo.

[PFT Commenter]

Trust him. That's a slur. Fredo's a slur. It's like. Remember, Cuomo said, it's like saying the nword for Italians.

[Big Cat]

You can't call him that. Pato's got the white pants on.

[PFT Commenter]

One of the alltime quotes.

[Big Cat]

The white pants, nice. And camo. He could spill whatever he wants on those. You won't be able to tell whatever he wants.

[PFT Commenter]

Cuomo just trying to be like. Just make up a. A, a vicious slur out of thin. You don't say that.

[Max]

I mean, Villanova, they're. They're.

[Mike McDonald]

They are what they are.

[Max]

They have no shot of actually making a run. I'm, I, I. It looks like they're still going to make the tournament.

[Big Cat]

Are you on bubble now?

[Max]

No, we're still. We're still pretty comfortably not in the

[Big Cat]

bubble, but you got an injury that you got to deal with, though.

[Max]

Yeah, we do have. We did get. We had a couple guys get banged up. One of them looks worse than the other. I was trying to look. That's a problem with college B. Like college basketball, you just don't get injury updates.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's like they don't have to say anything.

[PFT Commenter]

Like state secrets. Yeah.

[Max]

Like in, you know, NFL, you'll know within the next morning about what happened.

[PFT Commenter]

No, college basketball, you. You won't know until 15 minutes before because the guy's actually dressed on the floor.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's when you find out that he's actually gonna play.

[Big Cat]

I had a visualization the other day when I was thinking about what's going to happen this Final Four. I think it just. It feels like it's Izzo. It feels like in a visualization, how is he going to go out? He's going to go out in a Final Four. He's going to get there.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you going to say he's overrated, though? This feels like.

[Big Cat]

This is. This is for whether or not he's overrated.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. Because I was going to say this feels like you get. You're. You're in a win, win situation where if he doesn't get to the Final Four, you could be like, told you he's overrated. If he does, you're like, I called it. But I like the fact that you're

[Big Cat]

saying this is it.

[PFT Commenter]

The Final Four decides whether he's overrated. Yeah. He has to get to the Final Four. Cohen car is awesome.

[Big Cat]

Oh, I walked back that. I, I will admit that I was wrong. I heard 10 years of being wrong about Tom Izzo. If they make it to this Final Four, it's such.

[PFT Commenter]

It's such a Izzo team, too. Like, down to Jackson. Kohler looks like a 90s bully. High school bully. He's got. He's got the hair. He's got a little bit of a chin strap. Waps a couple threes every now and then. Just like, oh, I hate the Michigan State team. And I say that with all due respect, because when. When Izzo gets his guys like this, it's like, watch out. Yep. Yeah. Okay. What other. Any other college basketball takes. I'm just. I'm so pumped. Dude. Florida looks good.

[Max]

I can't wait for conference tourney week.

[Mike McDonald]

It's going to be.

[PFT Commenter]

Duke looks good. I'm worried about Duke. Although this is like, I keep wrestling with the idea of Florida and Duke. Both look so dominant. But is their conference down?

[Big Cat]

They definitely are both down. But Duke does look better than they were last year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Or more dominant.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

To win it.

[Big Cat]

I don't know if they're better. They look. They look more dominant than they did last year.

[PFT Commenter]

If they don't win it this year. Be a shock. Yeah, I think so.

[Big Cat]

Big disappointment.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it'll be the biggest disappointment since last year.

[Big Cat]

It would be like a double generation of disappointment. Boozer.

[PFT Commenter]

Every single.

[Memes]

Boozer one.

[PFT Commenter]

Every single year.

[Big Cat]

It would be doubly disappointing.

[PFT Commenter]

Every single year is the biggest disappointment.

[Big Cat]

The Brotherhood takes a knock. Like, that's a. That's another loss on Carlos Booze's record as well.

[Memes]

Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't agree with this.

[Memes]

If Boozer had lost, I would agree with it. But he won, right?

[Big Cat]

Win it.

[PFT Commenter]

He did win a championship. Right. And then left early. And then Coach K tried to, like, blackmail him to stay and got really upset at him for leaving for a different era. For a kid trying to make, you know, his life's dream come true. Coach K was like, oh, you can't do that. Actually, I have it on my card.

[Memes]

Let me see. What about you?

[PFT Commenter]

I'll read the actual. I. I have.

[Memes]

I. I have a Yukon future from preseason.

[PFT Commenter]

The two futures I have, or I guess three. Wisconsin. Technically, I do have one on Wisconsin, but it's Yukon of 15 to 1 in Florida at 19 1. Hold on. Let me see if I can read this. I'm gonna try to find, like, this is my Coach K fact sheet that I hold in my wallet.

[Big Cat]

It's so hard to read,

[PFT Commenter]

fill. Fill the time so I can figure out where I can find Boozer.

[Big Cat]

Hank, who do you think is the biggest disappointment? Duke history.

[Memes]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

A lot to pick from.

[Memes]

I mean, the. The Zion team was. Was a. Was a major disappointment.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Three top five picks or three lottery

[PFT Commenter]

picks barely made it to the sweet 16.

[Memes]

I mean almost had to get a cat because of that team.

[Big Cat]

You could say last year as well. Cooper flag Knipple.

[Memes]

I mean the team that lost to CJ McCollum. Yeah, I love JJ Redick. I love JJ Redick and Shelley Williams, but they, they should have. They should have got one John Sire stud. I'm trying to. Yeah, that Zion team was. Was that. That team was too good to be true. And they. They dominated the regular season and they just couldn't get it done. I mean, the team that lost Coach K's last season too Big cat.

[Max]

Did you cash out of your Gonzaga future?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, long time ago.

[Max]

I'm still holding that.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the minute they got. The minute they got killed by Michigan. I'm talking like November. I cashed.

[Max]

Well, I think I day before Michigan.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I have told us to take Rico. Oh, it's Rico Bosco. I think I had the gonzaga future for 15 hours and lost like 8 grand.

[Max]

I still have it.

[PFT Commenter]

I was like, I gotta get out now because this team. Damn.

[Max]

Maybe Michigan State. I'm trying to look for. For a value play right now.

[PFT Commenter]

I know all the value Florida went down to. What is eight to one? Yeah.

[Max]

What do you have? What do you have Yukon at Hank?

[Memes]

I have Florida and UConn and both at 12 to 1.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, nice. You got it on Florida.

[Max]

All of these are on the DraftKings sportsbook, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. I can't find it. Whatever. Either way.

[Max]

40 to 1. Is there any value there? Yes. Meme says yes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think there is.

[Max]

The 10 to 1 to get to the final four.

[PFT Commenter]

Their offense goes. It's like very izzo.

[Memes]

Well,

[PFT Commenter]

no, they suck.

[Max]

And they lost.

[PFT Commenter]

They've lost twice this week and they all.

[Max]

And Saunders is out for the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Saunders is out. They got. They lost to West Virginia.

[Memes]

You just want to use Max wanted value. I'm finding value for him.

[PFT Commenter]

St. John's is the value.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Arkansas 70 to 1. Alabama might be value. Alabama could. If Alabama just shoots.

[Big Cat]

What's Houston at now?

[PFT Commenter]

10 to 1.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Value.

[Big Cat]

Marquette.

[Max]

You could say anything.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Max]

They need to win the Big east to get in.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually think they might not even. Even if. If they won. They just like still. I don't think so. Marquette.

[Max]

That might not even be listed.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it is.

[Memes]

No, I'm looking at it.

[Max]

Oh yeah. 100.

[Mike McDonald]

What is that?

[Max]

100 to 1. That might be $1 to win.

[Memes]

A thousand.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a thousand to one.

[Max]

A thousand to one. That's value.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, that is Value.

[Max]

That's really good value.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, let's, let's transition to some clean up on NFL Combine. The first and I think the biggest headline from NFL Combine was Aaron Glenn fell asleep.

[Big Cat]

That's some fake news. That's some fake news. That's rubbish. This is classic legacy media. Cat trying to chime in what happened. They caught a bad angle of Aaron Glenn. He's looking down at his tablet. I'm going to get memes back on this. He was looking at his tablet. Guys can't look at their tablets anymore because people think that they're falling asleep. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Now everyone is starting. Now everyone's starting to think that maybe the coach, the New York jets doesn't have his shit together. And it's bullshit. I got your back. Aaron Glenn is locked in. He's as ready as he's ever been. Jets playoffs next week means.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he asleep?

[Big Cat]

I think he was looking down.

[PFT Commenter]

He could have been sleeping. I really wish this happened to another coach, but after thinking about it, I don't think it matters. Right.

[Big Cat]

Because you're just watching guys run in a straight line. Here's the question.

[PFT Commenter]

It doesn't matter at all.

[Big Cat]

Given the jets history of guys that they have drafted, wouldn't it be better if they were paying less attention at the combine?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, if they all close their eyes.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's fucking mean.

[Big Cat]

Just saying.

[PFT Commenter]

That's really mean. The, the. Yeah, other than that, from the combine, we had some guys run really fucking fast. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

The, the running backs. The running backs have decided that the way that they'll all get paid more is if they all get really, really fast.

[PFT Commenter]

I saw a theory floated out there that were right on the cusp of like around six, seven years ago. Was when height. Yeah, six, seven. When. When was when high school athletes started training, like getting, you know, personal trainers and training like pros. And now you're seeing just an absolute like. Because it did feel like there was a ton of guys that had eye popping like numbers and it's because we're reaching. Those guys who started training in the high school range as pros are now about to be pros.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, everyone's getting really fast and I feel like this is about like the, the peak of what the human body can do at these sizes and these weights.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big Cat]

Because now I'm. I don't know about you guys. I'm starting to get like fatigued or numb to the good times that players are putting up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like 10 years ago, if there was a guy that was 300 pounds that ran like a 47 or 4 8. I'd be like, holy shit, that's incredible. Now I hear about like five of these guys every year. You look at the running back times this year and everyone's like, four three something. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's pretty much what I've come to expect.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's what you need to be. Yeah. The one that did get me pumped was Kenyon Siddiq, our guy from Oregon. We just spam when we play Doug's. He ran the fastest tight end time since 2003.

[Big Cat]

That is pretty incredible.

[PFT Commenter]

So 4.39. That's fucking fast.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's an absolute monster.

[Big Cat]

It's a smokescreen season for Makai Lemon. Everyone's free. I've seen. I don't think I've ever seen as many anonymous reports about Makai Lemon and how weird he was in his combine interviews as I have this year. Like, it feels like that's the most talked about rumor going around the combine and no one's giving any specifics whatsoever. It's just like every team was kind of freaked out by this guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, yeah, he. He had the press conference where he was looking kind of weird, staring at reporters. And then I. Yeah, you're right. The anonymous sourcing. None of it. I mean, the guy's really good at football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Who the cares? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Also kind of what you want from a wide receiver.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, we do. We have. Is Fernando Mendoza's hands too small? Are they too small?

[Big Cat]

No, I don't think. But he might be fat. Oh, Fernando Mendoza actually just built like a brick house. I think he's like 230.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Which is heavier than people thought he was going to be, but in like a good way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Because his they. There's one picture of Mendoza from the combine taken from behind, and it's just his arms with these, you extract the veins in them. So, yeah, it's like he's the same body size as, like, big Ben coming out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he. His hands were nine and a half inches, which I think is fine.

[Big Cat]

That's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Freak.

[Memes]

How big are his arms?

[PFT Commenter]

His arms were huge. Massive arms were 31 and 7/8. I don't even know what that. What is that?

[Big Cat]

I think that's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think that's fine. The smallest hands were Cade Clubnik with nine and a quarter. We didn't have any sub nines. Yeah, like, sub nine is when we start to mock them.

[Big Cat]

It's like right at nine. Yeah, that. That's where the cutoff usually is.

[PFT Commenter]

There's also a Carson back had the. The largest with 10.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Hugh Chance.

[PFT Commenter]

Huge chance.

[Big Cat]

There's a big, like a story that's brewing under wraps at the combine and it's been happening for the last couple years. But the guy that measures arm length at the combines is not good at measuring arm length.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh no.

[Big Cat]

Because now this is going to be two years in a row where the, the arm length that's measured at the combine does not add up to what happens at the individual workouts or the guys pro days.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but those numbers, the pro days,

[Big Cat]

one guy, it's one guy that measures at least the offensive lineman. There's one guy who's in charge of the tape measure for the arms and apparently he's got, he's got a short measurement. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, Hank, that's good because it doesn't

[Big Cat]

add up to everything else.

[Max]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but the, the pro days are always very funny because the pro day numbers are always way better.

[Big Cat]

They're way better across.

[PFT Commenter]

Way, way better. Because I mean like Ohio State has a, what was it, 37 yard, 40 yard dash. They have. Their guys do. And then we also had the grades. We had the grades. The, the, the NFLPA grades for all the teams. Everything. There weren't many notable things other than the Bengals went from an F in food to an F minus. That's pretty hard to do. Like most of the teams, they actually try to get better. The Bengals are like, no, we're going to give you even worse food.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they, the Bengals punish you for opening your mouth.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You guys thought bad. Here's really bad.

[Big Cat]

Also, I want to stand up for the Bengals real quick because F minus is not a real grade. No one, no one in school has ever gotten an F minus. You get an F. That's as bad as it gets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, the. I mean, I guess the food is that bad. Also, the Steelers locker room only has five bathroom stalls for the entire team. That's egregious.

[Big Cat]

That was very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

That's insane. Five bathroom stalls for 53 large men. That I have to take shits all the time. That's actually torture.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. T.J. watt probably stabbed himself in the lung because he's like, I just need to, I need to get out of this place so I can take a shit.

[PFT Commenter]

If you're a Steelers fan, think about this. Your favorite player is oftentimes awkwardly trying to like silence his shit, which no man should have to do.

[Big Cat]

That's probably what drove Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Was just having to work in that environment for so long.

[PFT Commenter]

There's nothing worse than when you go into a packed bathroom and you have to sit next to something like, you know, you're next to someone who's in there, and you got to put a little bit of the silencer on it. You just can't. You can't let it go. The other sucks.

[Big Cat]

The other thing I noticed in these grades is that every team hates their home field.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Well, it's because the turf.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Every. Well, even some teams that have grass playing fields, they don't like it.

[PFT Commenter]

The Steelers. Yeah. Because they play like a million football games that are not Steelers football.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. But like, yeah, across the board, it's like, yeah, we don't like our home team. We don't like our home field. We also don't like travel. None of the guys like their travel department. Big surprise there.

[PFT Commenter]

The last story I had from combine, this was like, news and notes. What's going on with J.J. mcCarthy? I feel like there's the. The Vikings are. Are maybe putting out some travels. I heard Kyler potentially. Geno Smith is jj. I. I read an article that everyone's like, yeah, none of that was Gino's fault last year.

[Big Cat]

Well, if you look at what the. The NFLPA report card was for the Raiders, they hated their offensive coordinator.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. So I. I don't know. There's a chance that the Raiders keep Geno Smith.

[Big Cat]

Is Geno Smith this year's Geno Smith?

[PFT Commenter]

He might be.

[Big Cat]

Whereas, like, everyone wrote him off.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Kyler, Gino, I mean, the Vikings. If. If you see what happened with Sam Darnold, wouldn't you want to go to the Vikings? Yeah, probably the spot.

[Big Cat]

Probably. I think. I think Kyler should definitely want to go to the Vikings.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I think J.J. mcCarthy should want to go back to the Vikings.

[PFT Commenter]

You should want to play for Kevin o'. Connell.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, maybe. Kevin o' Connell is really good at finding guys that have sucked other places and then bring them in, fixing them. Maybe he's not so good at identifying guys straight out of college.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

That are already good.

[PFT Commenter]

Why are the you guys yelling at each other?

[Max]

Because Hank is. What? Hank is watching this Sixers Celtics game, and he just doesn't look. He just looks at his phone with the Sixers going to run, and every time the Celtics make one basket, he looks at me and he's like, put my two.

[Mike McDonald]

Two to the head.

[Max]

And he just, like, he just looks down at his phone when the Sixers going on eight over on. Yeah. Wow. Also, the Sixers suck. Two to the head are a bad team. Two to the head and Embiid's not playing. They lose it. The Six are back to losing every game that Embiid doesn't play.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn. Either way, I agree with you. Pft. J.J. mcCarthy should want to play for Kevin O'. Connell.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

100.

[Big Cat]

He should. J.J. mcCarthy should do, like, the. The Chet Powers thing and just disguise himself as somebody else and then be like, hey, can you fix me, Kevin o'? Connell? I'm some unheard of, like, former college football player. Bring me into your system.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you see, like, J.J. mcCarthy won a national championship, what, three years ago? Was it top 10? Was he the 12th pick? What was his. What was he picked nine? Either way, I don't think he was nine.

[Big Cat]

He is nine.

[PFT Commenter]

But is a professional quarterback in the NFL. Did you see the ayatollah on the. On the nine meme? That's tough.

[Big Cat]

I did not see that.

[PFT Commenter]

I saw the head ayatollah on the 9 jersey in the locker room.

[Big Cat]

I do remember the Ayatollah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where are we at as a world quarterback? Skating. He's getting mixed up in geopolitics.

[Big Cat]

Well, there was. There was somebody. I think it was Admininajad. The. The former President of Iran is a big time University of Michigan fan.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

And he. Back in 2018, he said, like, what? Yeah, he was like, inshallah, the University of Michigan will return to its glory in football. Yeah. Rip.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, he died, too?

[Big Cat]

Mahmoud.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. He died.

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[PFT Commenter]

Did he get the nine treatment?

[Big Cat]

He got nine?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I did see the. Do you see there's some. Some guy has the Expos account. Montreal Expos. Like, he has the actual official account, and he runs it like the official Expos team. And he's like, due to unforeseen circumstances, we have canceled the Ayatollah Khomeini's bobblehead night from April 14th. Okay. What else? Any. Any other national sports podcast topics? Was there. Does Shane Lowry choke?

[Big Cat]

Oh, big time.

[PFT Commenter]

Biggest.

[Big Cat]

Biggest choke. Give me the.

[PFT Commenter]

Give me the. Give me the stage for the choke.

[Memes]

He was up three with three to go. He double bogey two holes in a row, which he's never done in his pro career.

[PFT Commenter]

Double bogey, two in a row, both

[Big Cat]

of them wide right.

[Memes]

Yeah, he went in the water two holes in a row. Bear trap. Said he. He said it won. It stung the most because he just wanted to win for the first time in front of his daughter. His daughter was there and he choked.

[Big Cat]

Oh. So you know how last week we were talking about the hack to winning a golf tournament is to like have a kid or to get married and then that way they'll definitely show you on the broadcast and like show your. Your wife and your kids as you're going up the 18th fairway and all that. They tried to do that this week with the guy that won Echeveria, but the thing about him was like, he just closed on a house earlier this week. And so what a magical week this has been for him and his young wife. So they were just talking about what a great story it was. This youngster buys a house and wins a golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Bought a house.

[Big Cat]

You can't write this. If you tried to bring that to a. A script developer in Hollywood, they would light your eyebrows on fire and stab you in the throat. They would say, this is too unrealistic. Get the out of my office.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm looking. The Hank just sent the T. Every tee shot hit at 16 this week. And then the white dot being Shane, how did he hit it there? That was.

[Zach]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That's just a true old fashioned joke.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Shank. Two shanks in a row.

[Memes]

And then the next hole stepped up, same thing. It wasn't as bad, but he was

[PFT Commenter]

up three with three to go.

[Memes]

Oh, I think there was a. There was a stat like a win probability. It was like 99.6%. Like

[PFT Commenter]

you could have won the tournament easily. Easily.

[Memes]

I could have righty or lefty up three.

[PFT Commenter]

We could have had the first ever women medalist. I would lose 10. What was the. What was the event?

[Memes]

Yeah, if it was a slalom golf hole event. I dominate.

[Big Cat]

So the second shot that he hit was, was so bad. And then he started yelling at his caddy afterwards. He's like, what the. Dude, why'd you make me do that again? It was a very weird. I think. I think Shane Lowry just has a temper and he just needed to direct it somewhere. Your job.

[PFT Commenter]

Three iron.

[Big Cat]

If you're Shane Lowry's cat, your job is just like get bitched at if Shane does something bad.

[Memes]

Brooks and Max played well today. Okay, good, good.

[PFT Commenter]

The boys are back.

[Big Cat]

Max is a double header. Max is the Mike playing right now. He's a Mike Tirico of golf.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he's playing simulator golf. Yeah. Tgl Was it right there?

[Memes]

It's in Florida.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. So he didn't have to get like on a plane. That would have been commitment to the game.

[Big Cat]

We should do the. The thing where it shows like his travel for today and just. It's Google maps like him or highway. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you guys see the. The. We talked a little baseball. Because it is. It is about to happen. You see, the Cardinals are offering a 29. All you can eat concessions set up.

[Big Cat]

I saw that.

[PFT Commenter]

This actually, I, I actually was thinking about it. I don't know why more teams don't do this. Because there's no way that you can. Oh, Hank's doing again. He just did it again in his face. I. There's no way you can eat as much as they give you for 29.

[Max]

You.

[PFT Commenter]

You buy it and you're like, this is a great deal. And then you have two hot dogs and nachos. You're like, I'm full.

[Big Cat]

But how much does. How much do the hot dogs cost normally?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. That's a good question.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta. I think that, I mean, shout out to Madison Mallers.

[PFT Commenter]

They do the duck blind where it's. I think it's $30. All you can eat. All you can drink too though. Beer.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so you got.

[PFT Commenter]

And they open before the state. The game starts.

[Big Cat]

You get unlimited hot dogs, chicken tenders, bratwurst, nachos, fries, popcorns, peanuts, chips, ice cream, bottomless soda.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

That's a. Hell. That's a great deal.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a great deal. But I feel like no one's gonna. There's gonna be like a couple people who would test it, but a lot of people will spend the 29. And if you do the math, you're like, oh, what? Also just. Yeah, you're right that the markup is probably so severe. Makes sense anyway.

[Big Cat]

And you know what? This is. This is what teams are able to do now that the games are only like two hours long.

[Max]

True.

[Big Cat]

If this is a four hour game,

[PFT Commenter]

you never be able.

[Big Cat]

They would get put out of business.

[PFT Commenter]

Never be able to. I would do this if I were like, if the Cubs did this, I would. I'd definitely buy it because my kids ripped through half the. Half those things like one bite of everything their day. Mini Dave Portnoy's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's the. That's like the activity when you go to a ball game with a kid. It's just like every. Every inning. Let's get up and do something else. Yeah, let's get another treat.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Should we do who's back of the week and then we have Mike McDonald on the show. Great interview. And then we'll talk some 10 year. Oh, Hank's doing it again.

[Big Cat]

Did you get three dogs?

[PFT Commenter]

He just keeps threeing in his face.

[Max]

You guys just don't even talk about Tom him with this chip.

[PFT Commenter]

Tom him with this ship. Let's go.

[Zach]

I'm just.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's a caption with this.

[Memes]

It all.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's go.

[Memes]

Doesn't go in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yikes. Memes. How do you grade that as a social media guy caption? Well, they've gotten 19 likes.

[Big Cat]

Tom.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you. How do you grade it Memes? I'll give it a. I'll give it a B. B minus.

[Big Cat]

Okay, what would you have done?

[PFT Commenter]

Hollywood probably just wouldn't tweet it. Like, yeah, just like decent chip. Decent chip doesn't go in. What about.

[Memes]

Come on.

[Max]

I like the. The first reply to this tweet is wicked respect to Max Homa for popping out after playing at the Cognizant.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. Wicked respect. Wicked respect for Max.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Memes]

My. Who's back that. We got a couple. First one is. Is awls and their dogs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

You know, we've. We've sold a lot of merch and a lot of items over the years, and obviously, it's probably just because it's a picture of me, but I've never had an influx of messages and tags like I have in the last, like, five days.

[PFT Commenter]

Hand up. I might have had a part in that too.

[Memes]

I don't know how many. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people listen to this show. I think every single one of them bought it.

[PFT Commenter]

I did say a few days ago, I was like, every time I see one, it's an instant retweet.

[Big Cat]

It's so good.

[PFT Commenter]

I've just been retweeting all of them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I love the ones with the dogs that are getting particularly violent with the. With the Hank stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

It's just.

[Big Cat]

They're just chomping at them, fighting over it.

[PFT Commenter]

I just pull up. Pull up Twitter and just. I just see a dog with Hank's stupid face, and I laugh every time, like, oh, here's a dog. Here's the cutest dog. Looking at this shithead face, and it's just so funny. Sorry, Hank. No offense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Trying to work out.

[PFT Commenter]

Look at that one. It's a guy's got fucking. It's just Hank.

[Big Cat]

And for some reason, dogs absolutely love it. They love your stupid face, and it's just.

[Memes]

Well, that's a good sign of character, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's just like, thinking of, like, this person. He's just sitting there having a Saturday, and it's just. He looks over. It's just Hank's dumb face in his dog's mouth. Yeah, man, look at that. If you just look up. That's a funny thing to look up to. I love it when you're sitting in your living room. It's. Oh, there's Hank's dumb face again.

[Big Cat]

I love it when they're just chewing off his ear, too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. His dumb ear, yes.

[Memes]

But, yeah, a lot of dogs

[Big Cat]

just fang right into your.

[PFT Commenter]

Put them on the show.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Love it.

[Memes]

Okay, then, my other. Who's back? Just the. The Celtics. They're. They're putting belt to ass on. On the Sixers right now.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay.

[Memes]

They also had.

[Big Cat]

They had, like, hey, Max, how about this?

[PFT Commenter]

Max 2 right forehead.

[Max]

I mean, the Sixers went on an 8 over on the cut at the single digits.

[PFT Commenter]

It was Hank 1.

[Big Cat]

I was watch.

[PFT Commenter]

Shut up.

[Big Cat]

I was watching the game.

[PFT Commenter]

You were.

[Memes]

Every time I was doing threes, you're just looking at. I don't even know what you're looking. Looking at.

[Max]

Yeah, because that's what you do. And also my eyeline is like. I have to. You're in my eyeliner's eyeline.

[Big Cat]

You're not addressing the eye currently looking at you.

[Max]

Actually, you.

[PFT Commenter]

I won't look at you.

[Memes]

But that wasn't. That wasn't the point of my. Who's back there? My who's back. Regardless, they had the best offensive rating in NBA history on Friday night.

[Big Cat]

Who?

[PFT Commenter]

They played the Nets. Nets are good.

[Memes]

Oh, wow.

[Max]

Dude, you beat the Nets. The Nets.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good. Right.

[Max]

Name three players on the Nets.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't.

[Memes]

It wasn't. It wasn't that.

[PFT Commenter]

They beat the next three players on

[Memes]

the best offensive rating time.

[Big Cat]

Hank, name three players in the Nets.

[PFT Commenter]

Name three players of the Nets.

[Memes]

Blake Griffin, DeAndre, Jordan Williams.

[Max]

Name one.

[PFT Commenter]

Jason, can you name one player on the next.

[Memes]

One player.

[Max]

I could name one.

[PFT Commenter]

I had one. Yeah, I just pulled up. I have. I had one from Frank the Tank. You should be able to get that

[Memes]

one player. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Nick Claxton, Michael Porter Jr.

[Memes]

But regardless, it's all time NBA history.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. And Danny Wolf from Michigan. I don't know if he even plays all time NBA history against the Nets.

[Memes]

That's impressive.

[PFT Commenter]

That happened. Did he watch the game?

[Memes]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

You just knew.

[Memes]

I just saw.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you saw the history afterwards. That's how I like to consume my history.

[Memes]

Well, yeah. You see if status, like, all right.

[PFT Commenter]

History. We made history. Check mark. Done. What'd you do Friday night? I was history.

[Max]

I was. I was.

[Memes]

I would watch the game. I was busy watching Max and Zach struggle with itchy golf.

[Max]

Game was definitely still on after.

[Zach]

After.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know why.

[Big Cat]

I started at 6 and we left at 8. I don't know why he's hitting on the fact that you had. You did something that's never been done before.

[Max]

Most NBA games end in two hours,

[Memes]

two and a half hours. Yeah, I got. I had to drive home.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's not.

[Memes]

And then I turned the game on. They were up a hundred.

[PFT Commenter]

And he was like, oh, that must have been history. Boom. Turns out Hank was right. He knows ball. Yeah.

[Memes]

What was the final score like 148 to. I don't even know.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to look at this box.

[Big Cat]

They're probably sending that ball to Springfield, huh?

[Max]

I don't want.

[Memes]

I don't know what your Guys, problem

[PFT Commenter]

is I have no 48 to 111.

[Big Cat]

I'm an admirer of history.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to admit, the Nets part is funny. Like, the Nets are so bad. History is history.

[Memes]

I, I, I like. This is a sports history podcast.

[PFT Commenter]

No, it is. Oh, wow. So they did shoot 65% from 3. 22 for 34. That's pretty insane.

[Big Cat]

I tend to look forward, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

That is insane.

[Big Cat]

The past is in the past.

[PFT Commenter]

22 for 34.

[Memes]

All right, no, I won't do. Who's back?

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm looking at the box for Hank, and I appreciate you bringing this up. 22 for 34 from 3 is nuts.

[Zach]

That's it.

[Memes]

That's all I got.

[Big Cat]

Okay. Are you on strike now? From who's back?

[Memes]

No, I just, I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here.

[Max]

Yeah, well, you're being dick, so. Hey, Max, I, I went on the. Max, this was me going on the attack because you're being a dick.

[Memes]

If you were a better golfer, I would have, I would have, I would have been watching.

[PFT Commenter]

Witnessing History two in your space, Max. Right in your forehead.

[Big Cat]

Deal with it.

[PFT Commenter]

I like the two in the forehead.

[Mike McDonald]

There's one.

[PFT Commenter]

There's one. You're doing free throws.

[Max]

Well, that's what Hank was doing. It was every single point.

[PFT Commenter]

Free throws to the, to the temple.

[Max]

It was, it was a two point layup in the middle of the third quarter, and he was looking at me going twos to the forehead.

[Zach]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, Clank. Okay. Pft.

[Big Cat]

Who's your.

[PFT Commenter]

Who's back?

[Big Cat]

My who's back of the week is part of my take. Inserting themselves into international diplomatic crisis.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

Because I think that we need to speak up about something.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

And there's a big story that took place this weekend that I feel like we need to use our platform to address to our listeners. Chet Hanks is stuck in Columbia right now. Yeah, Chet Hanks, Chet Hayes, whatever you want to call him, he was just with his boys in Puerto Rico just going for a nice vacation. And one of them was like, hey, chat, let's just bounce over to Colombia real quick. I got a bro in Medellin. Let's just go hang out. And because Chet Hanks is a good friend, he said, yeah, okay, let's go over to Colombia. Oh, I don't have my American passport. I've got my Greek passport, which he has for some reason. So he goes to Colombia and he's in Medellin, and Now he can't get back to the United States because they won't let him back in. He has to get a green card now and, like, wait in line for that to get back to the United States. There's no greater American than Chet Hanks. And we're in danger of having White Boy Summer canceled this year if Chad's still stuck in Columbia. So we have to have an awl.

[Memes]

That works in Columbia is like, White Boy Summer primetime.

[Big Cat]

But then we don't get to participate. Like, we need Chet back stateside.

[PFT Commenter]

Can Chet just get back by just dropping the accent?

[Big Cat]

He could get into Jamaica.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No, I'm saying, like, do you think that he's. He. He lost his passport. He keeps coming.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Going to customs with the accident. They're like, dude, you're not American. And chat.

[Big Cat]

Just.

[PFT Commenter]

Just talk like you probably have talked your entire life.

[Big Cat]

They're like, chat. What's wrong with your passport? It's disqualification.

[PFT Commenter]

Disqualification.

[Big Cat]

All I'm saying is that we need to get Chet Hanks back. He's stuck in Medellin right now, probably having a terrible time in Medellin. I can't imagine a guy like that has too.

[PFT Commenter]

Too much. Max is standing up to look at.

[Max]

Well, because he looks at me after everything. And then whenever the six over, whatever the Sixers score, it's just silence. You look over when you score.

[Memes]

I just want to see if you're looking.

[Max]

Yeah, yeah, I wanted to see if you were looking.

[Big Cat]

This podcast has quickly become just a live stream reaction show for some nothing game.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a game 63 in the NBA.

[Big Cat]

And let the record show Max doesn't care about.

[Max]

Well, I care about Hank being a.

[Big Cat]

Listen, we got bigger things to take care of right now, and that's getting Chad Hanks back to the United States.

[Max]

The Twitter search is horrendous. That's also pissing me off.

[PFT Commenter]

Disqualification.

[Big Cat]

Can we please. We have to have an awl that works in the consulate. Get.

[PFT Commenter]

Please, free chat, please.

[Big Cat]

Free chat, please. And then, Chad, if you get back, you are now legally bound to come on part of my take.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay. My. Who's back of the week is Mark Sanchez because he's back in the news. They have the preliminary investigation.

[Big Cat]

Is he stuck in Medellin, too?

[PFT Commenter]

He's not.

[Big Cat]

But.

[PFT Commenter]

But Mark Sanchez, when he got stabbed in Indy, had cocaine, fentanyl, marijuana, and alcohol in his system. Damn, dude. Did you have a game you were calling the next day?

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a wild one. He just fucked around. Had. He went for a Four piece.

[Big Cat]

Was it the next day or was it. I think. Was it like a Friday?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

And then he had, like, one. I think there might have been one day that he had him.

[PFT Commenter]

Either way, dude was rocking around. We hit the cycle on. On just a casual indie night. Just being like, I'm going for all four.

[Big Cat]

It sounds like he had something that was stepped on.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

That's what it sounds like to me.

[PFT Commenter]

He was having.

[Big Cat]

Oh, we got another one, Max.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Another three. Another three.

[Memes]

He looked.

[Max]

He looked that time, though, so I respect it. I respect that he looked. I respect.

[Memes]

I'm not bringing this up, by the way. I've never said this one time. I've just been. I've been silently doing this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but you did start it with the two to the forehead.

[Memes]

But that was. That was between me and Max.

[Max]

And you also said you were going. The Celtics were going belt to ass on the Sixers.

[Big Cat]

It's the third quarter.

[Mike McDonald]

We're.

[Big Cat]

We got a lot of games we're

[PFT Commenter]

going to have to watch.

[Max]

It's still not. He said belt to ass, third quarter.

[Big Cat]

So much game left in this game. That doesn't matter.

[Max]

I agreed. And I didn't care about this game before Hank started being a dick. The Sixers lose every game and B doesn't play again.

[PFT Commenter]

Also, Shiloh Buff is back because that interview was wild Charlie Sheen energy. Did you see any of it? Yeah, the Mike Piaza one was very funny. Strange guy, him just being like Mike Piazza. I tried to get his. I tried to get his autograph 90 times. He never gave it to me. I like that. That's a grudge. It's a serious.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I kind of stand with Shay. Yeah, that's a Jersey Jerry type thing. He would never forget that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Never. All right, Zach, who's your. Who's back?

[Zach]

My who's back of the week is NASCAR driver Tyler Redick. They had the Duramax Texas Grand Prix. Today was the third race of the season, and he did win, but he's won the previous two one races as well. So he's the first driver in history to start the season.

[PFT Commenter]

3 0.

[Memes]

This is. Is Jordan's guy.

[Zach]

It is Jordan's guy. So he goes 3. 0 after going winless last year.

[PFT Commenter]

He's won 3.

[Zach]

Yes, sir.

[PFT Commenter]

In a row.

[Zach]

Yes, sir.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, 3.

[Big Cat]

And I was pretty solid.

[PFT Commenter]

I was kid there. Shut up. His ice hit ice in his shirt. What?

[Big Cat]

He's 3. 0, though.

[Zach]

Yes, sir. 3 0.

[Big Cat]

And that's never been done no, first

[Zach]

guy to do it first.

[Big Cat]

Interesting.

[Zach]

I think the first three and like the, the first three races of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

I believe H didn't.

[Big Cat]

That's interesting.

[Zach]

He may have won three races in a row, but I believe this gentleman won the first three in a row.

[PFT Commenter]

Like,

[Memes]

oh no, Dan didn't win.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know what else.

[Zach]

So Daytona 500, AutoTrader 400 and the Duramax Grand Prix stud. I also had no idea just, just how physical NASCAR driving was till today. Like you can just lose 10 pounds driving in a car.

[Memes]

Oh yeah, it's hot.

[Zach]

Had no clue. It's like 150 degrees. Yeah.

[Memes]

Sweating

[PFT Commenter]

that. That's good. Who's back, Max? You have a. Who's back? What are the boys doing sitting in the booth? They come in too early. They always come in early. I'm sorry, I. I love the boys.

[Memes]

Shane. I don't want you guys to blame Shane.

[PFT Commenter]

Why?

[Memes]

Because he missed his number last week?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but. But I don't want them.

[Memes]

What was he supposed to do?

[PFT Commenter]

They would have had to come to.

[Memes]

Too late. He misses his number.

[PFT Commenter]

But they would.

[Max]

Do we still have like 15 minutes?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, they would have another 15 minutes. That would have sucked for them. Is that right? That's. That's. I thought.

[Max]

Actually, I thought it was. I thought it was an early.

[Memes]

Well, then we still have the interview coming too.

[PFT Commenter]

We have the interview that we have to do and we also have to finish this whole game.

[Mike McDonald]

We don't have to finish.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we do. We gotta. Is that because the Celtics hit a three, right?

[Max]

No, the Sixers hit a three.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh. The end of the. So what's the score?

[Max]

Six point game going.

[Mike McDonald]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

So if you're. If you're listening this morning and you went to sleep early, you missed a thriller belt ass. Yeah, again, who could forget game 62? Are the Sixers even the Sixers are bad.

[Max]

Like they're the six seed right now and.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey, six not playing. Six.

[Max]

Yeah, not playing.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Pft. You got a couple ads. Before we get to our interview with Mike McDonald.

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest, super bowl winning head coach from the Seattle Seahawks, Mike McDonald. Does. Let's start with that. Does that get old? Has it gotten old yet to be interesting?

[Mike McDonald]

They'll never get old, nor will I ever believe it. Like it's this weird. Like, did it happen? I was there. I'm pretty sure I was there, but. But it happened, it happened.

[PFT Commenter]

It happened.

[Big Cat]

Kind of bittersweet. Like after the game's over, you don't get to play any more football.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, then I have to see my son now.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that's what we. That was my other first question was like to have to win the super bowl and meet your son on the same day, it was epic. Had to be incredible.

[Mike McDonald]

You could tell he wasn't happy to meet me at that point.

[PFT Commenter]

I did see the clip though. After that, you were kind of upset that you didn't have any more practice. Like that's how much of a football cycle you are. You're just like, well, yeah, we don't get to practice tomorrow.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, I do miss, I miss the group. Like, it was such a great group. It's like going to work with your buddies every day. You know, the wives aren't excited to hear that, but they're like, you just get to go to work with your boys and talk football all day. It's like, yeah, it's pretty much what we do. So it's over. It's kind of a bummer.

[Big Cat]

That was a very strange thing to come out on the news, though. It's like the graphic. The graphic just looked bad when it was like, coach Mike McDonald spends 30 minutes a week with his son. When you look at that on a quote card, it doesn't look so great. Great. And we were saying at the time, I think we defended you.

[PFT Commenter]

I did. Because I have three kids and I was like, yeah, it's not as crazy as it sounds.

[Big Cat]

Your kids are probably around you during the week. It just. Maybe you're not at home all the time during the season.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, yeah, well. Fun. You can't, like, go back. Like, that's not what I meant, you know, because then that's like a bad, bad deal. But it was just. Yeah, it was an extra 30 minutes on Thursday. That was. That was what I was trying to say. Didn't come across the right way. But Jack's like, you know, he's 14 months. He, you know, he goes to bed at 7:00 and, you know, he wakes up after I'm gone. But.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you plan it out, though? Like a. A practice session where you're like, first 10 minutes, we're going to, like, you know, read a book. Next 10 minutes.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, originally, like, when he was younger, it was like, okay, between naps was like, definitely down to the minute of, like, exactly what we were going to do.

[Big Cat]

Script out our first.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, because I mean, those went. Those were. Oh, yeah, those were a slow interval.

[PFT Commenter]

So when you go from the two naps to the one nap.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, that was. Oh, yeah, it was really three, Then it was two.

[PFT Commenter]

Two, one. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Oh, my God.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Only one nap. Yeah, it's been.

[Big Cat]

It must be surreal, though, this whole off season for you now you're like, you're getting to spend this off season as like the. The genius. Are you a football genius?

[Mike McDonald]

No, no. Like, couldn't say anything to make me any more uncomfortable.

[Big Cat]

Football genius.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. It's like. No, it's kind of like. It's like not. I don't know, it takes away from, like, what the players do, I think. You know, it's like, that's what makes it uncomfortable. You watch our guys play and you watch what they do and, like, the. What they like the inputs every day to make it come to life. And you're like, yeah, they're. They're the ones that do it, you know?

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Your job. You look at your job as just being like it's your responsibility to put them in the best position to do what they do the best.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, totally. It's like, my job is to do everything we possibly can to put you in the best spot as many times as we possibly can in a game. And like, when you fall short of that, that's when you're like, kicking yourself. In games where teams dice you up or whatever, you're like, man, shoot, we really screwed that up for the guys.

[Big Cat]

Do you have a photographic memory? Do you remember every play?

[Mike McDonald]

No.

[Big Cat]

Can I test you on one play?

[Mike McDonald]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

See maybe if you remember. All right, so it's in the super bowl. It's the third quarter. 16 seconds left, third and six.

[PFT Commenter]

Drink.

[Big Cat]

May's got the ball.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Are we in? We're in. Well, there's some more to the call, but are we in the mana line? Cover two sack fumble.

[Big Cat]

I was about to say that, but yeah. Yeah. It sounds like you remember it pretty well. Yeah, yeah. Did you know that third and six?

[Mike McDonald]

I thought it was third and five, actually.

[Big Cat]

So it's interesting you say that because on the broadcast it did say third and five initially. Then they went back, they updated it later to make it third and six.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, so I shouldn't have called it then because it was originally for like the third and medium category.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And then third and five was like in the first category. And I was like, ah, like one yard, you know, like, is it worth doing it? But we said that was our next call and we ripped it and the guys.

[Big Cat]

It worked out.

[PFT Commenter]

It worked out.

[Mike McDonald]

That was pretty sweet.

[Big Cat]

I didn't know if you had done any film, any scouting on Drake May ahead of time, but third and six, he's a great quarterback, but third and six is the one down and distance he struggles with disproportionately.

[Mike McDonald]

Just that yard.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, just that one yard.

[Mike McDonald]

I'm glad they fixed it then.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

So I'm glad it actually wasn't third and five.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's. That's why that happened is because that.

[Mike McDonald]

That weird stat or scatter them on third down. They were like, undefeated on like, third and two, third and three.

[PFT Commenter]

Third and six.

[Mike McDonald]

Third and six. Yeah, it's obvious you struggle.

[Big Cat]

Different story.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I got a question about the Super Bowl. The. Your use of Devin Witherspoon in the super bowl because he didn't blitz. I think I read he blitzed what, 12 times maybe, or it might have been 20 times during the season, in 12 games, and then you blitzed him six times in the Super Bowl. Was that something like. That comes to you during the week of preparation where, like, this is something they won't expect? And we know we. We have an edge here. We.

[Mike McDonald]

We didn't think it through that lens, I think. I mean, he's such a great blitzer, but on Earl, like, on first, second down, Nick's normally at that position, and Spoon's been playing outside a ton, so it's hard to blitz him from when he's outside. But we just felt like in that game plan, some of the stuff that we were able to get to in some of those passing situations, it was important to bring the nickel. And it turns out he's a great blitzer, so I was. All right, let's. Let's, you know, let's go for it.

[PFT Commenter]

And you. And you did it early, too. I rewatched some of the blitzes because they're incredible. There was one where it was Nick and Devin Witherspoon on opposite sides, and then you drop both tackles.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's like, there's nothing that the. Like, there's nothing the def. Or the offense can do because you're basically holding the ends, and the running back has to make a choice, and they're going to be wrong.

[Mike McDonald]

There you go. That's all you got to do just to make sure you have an extra guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but that was. I mean, that was early in the game where maybe they aren't expecting that. And it felt like the aggression was dialed up a little bit for the Super Bowl.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, Spoon is such a great knack for, like, the timing of plays and when to. When to, like, kind of uncover and when to blitz. But, yeah, I mean, if we're. I mean, we're in zero. We're in zero. So we're. It's not like it's like, the smartest thing of all time. We're just bring bling. Like, bringing an extra guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

But it's how you disguise it and how you hide it.

[PFT Commenter]

It.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, we're so much shell, and, like, we don't blitz that much. So when we do do it, like, you want to make sure you're right, you know?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Have you gone back and watched the Super Bowl?

[Mike McDonald]

I haven't.

[Big Cat]

You should go back and watch the tv.

[PFT Commenter]

Pretty sick.

[Big Cat]

It was pretty good.

[Mike McDonald]

I've never watched a TV copy, but I think I'm gonna watch this one.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to.

[Mike McDonald]

You should yeah, I'm gonna. Like commercials and everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I want to. You just want to enjoy the moment. Like, that's. It's honestly amazing that. That the Seahawks are now back so soon after they had had success, like, earlier this decade. The GM that you work with, Schneider, seems like just the greatest dudes dude of all time.

[Mike McDonald]

Absolutely.

[Big Cat]

Have you had a word with him about the importance of undershirts, the pit stains? Sometimes?

[Mike McDonald]

What I respect about Johnny is he's owned it. It's like, yeah, dude, I. I sweat. Like, Yeah, I do. It's kind of his thing. It's, like, kind of cool.

[Big Cat]

Nobody's calling a card. It seems like he's. He's a great guy to work with. Everyone that has worked with and around him has nothing but the best things to say. What's that relationship like when it comes to, like, evaluating who's actually going to be on the field for you? Because I'm sure you want to have your say. He wants to have his say.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. I think we just look at it through the lens of, like, who do we need up for this game to go win? And so he's not like, hey, you know, you need to play this guy or play that guy. It's just, okay. How can, like. And a lot of times there's transactions to go with it, too. Like, we got to elevate guys from the practice squad, or maybe we got to sign a guy onto the team, and now you got to cut a guy. It's like. Like, there's a lot of moving parts, and so he's kind of like a problem solver to get to, like, the most, like, optimum, like, roster going into every game. You know, that's so. He's great at that. Nolan. Nolan Teasley does a great job of that, too. He's our assistant gm. He's always got, like, the out of box, out of box type ideas and. But yeah, he's. It's like he creates. He's really responsible for, like, the environment of the building that makes it so much fun to come to work every day. So it's really his fault that I wanted to come back to work and not hang out with the family.

[PFT Commenter]

What was like, how did the decision to bring Sam Darnold in was that John starting it, and then you're being like, hey, I think this. This could work, because obviously, go, you know. You know, the narrative for Sam was the outside public being like, the seeing ghost guy and the guy at the jets, but he was so phenomenal. Wins a Super bowl like, incredible, incredible story. But how did that all start and come together?

[Mike McDonald]

Well, I think it happened in, like, what, like, three or four days from when. When we traded Gino to when, like, Sam happened. So when it became clear that we weren't going to be able to get Geno back, it was like, okay, well, we. What's the next thing? And so, you know, there's some good quarterbacks on the market, and Sam was one of those guys, and, I mean, he's still super. I mean, you forget how young he is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And then, you know, we played him the year before, and he diced us up at our place, which sucked. And then so it's like, okay, this guy's. He's pretty good. And then, you know, having Clint and working for the whole year, so it was like we had all these, like. Like, data points, and there's people in our building that were with him at USC that, like, loved him, loved the person. So it just kind of came together. Like, man, this guy, he sounds like a great teammate. He's going to be a great leader. He's got great tape. I think, like, I think the. What people were attributing to at the end of the season, like, the. I think it was the Rams game, and maybe that was the Lions game or something. It's like, not a great take. Like, okay, there's a couple. Couple rough games. You know, you could argue on why those things happen, but you look at, like, the. The, you know, the whole season and what he did, I was like, Damn, he won 14 games and.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And he played at a high level, and he came in and beat us. Like, guy's pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That must have stuck with you because you mentioned it a couple times. Like, the fact that he came in and you got to see what he can do against your defense, who you obviously believe pretty highly in. Yeah. And to see that up close, that sounds like that was, like, the X factor. That really.

[Mike McDonald]

Like, I'm not a quarterback guru by any. By any means, but I do think, like, it does mean something. Like, feel the guy in person, you know, of, like, what it. Can you, like, tilt the field? Do you feel like the competitor. Do you feel like he's turning it down? Do you feel the poise, you know, like, if we. If we feel like we're putting, like, stress on him, like, how does he handle those types of things? And, like, we just. We couldn't. He was like. Couldn't get to him that game. So that. That stuck with us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Have you.

[Big Cat]

Have you updated your LinkedIn page to include Super Bowl Champion?

[Mike McDonald]

No, I did, I did, like, became to my attention that I, I, I remember I had a LinkedIn page and I was so upset with myself that I updated it as like, head coach. I was like, that was a, that was a, that was kind of a chotch move.

[Big Cat]

No, that's awesome.

[Mike McDonald]

No, I just. And then I'm like, well, now, now it's like an overthink thing. So it's like, well, now do I delete it? But now it's a thing. Vince Vaughn wedding crafters.

[Big Cat]

My mind is like, you know, awards and recognition segment. Like Super Bowl Champion head coach. You just got heavy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I don't know. Maybe it's kind of cool the way it is right now. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

Just like a time capsule into.

[Mike McDonald]

I have a hard time thinking I'm gonna like, like, type that in. It's gonna be a tough. That's gonna be a tough thing to do.

[PFT Commenter]

How close were you? Because the story, your story is awesome. You're the first super bowl winning head coach. You didn't play in college football. You thought about maybe going to Wall Street. Were you close to doing that? Or was it always like, hey, this is football. It's going to be football.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, I, I, like, I wanted to be in football, but I mean, I was a. Georgia was a grind. I mean, I learned a lot, but that was before. There's like small armies of, of support staff. So you're doing, like, everything all the time. Sleeping at the facility. Like, no family at that time. So I wasn't like, sacrificing that yet.

[Big Cat]

But you would have.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, I would have totally, totally would have neglected, like, everybody included.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And it just, I just got to the point where I was like, man, there's no future for me. Like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta rip. I gotta get out of here. And it's like as, as God has it, he just puts the opper. The Baltimore opportunity in your, in your life. And just like. And then there you go, like, okay, let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

Would you have crushed it on Wall Street?

[Mike McDonald]

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, that sounds boring.

[PFT Commenter]

It does. But.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't Wall street. It was KPMG, like a consulting gig.

[Big Cat]

Okay, what year was this?

[Mike McDonald]

2014.

[Big Cat]

Oh, everybody's making money.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you would have crushed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you would have done.

[Mike McDonald]

Really crushed.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And I was a finance major. I totally knew that, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Wait, so the Baltimore thing happened? Happens. And you also went to the University of Michigan. We love the Harbaughs.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, we.

[PFT Commenter]

We've had both of them on. We're kind of. We. We've dubbed ourselves Harbaugh Whispers because for some reason, they keep coming on our show and liking to come on our show.

[Big Cat]

And Tom Crane.

[PFT Commenter]

And Tom Crane. Yeah, all of them.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But what. What's the difference between being in both of their systems? What's the difference between the two of them?

[Mike McDonald]

I got this question a ton at Michigan, and I finally told Jim. I was like, hey. Like, I keep getting these, like, just tell him I'm taller.

[PFT Commenter]

You can beat him up.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, you know, I'll let them figure that out. And then. So then I told John. I was like, hey, you know, this is what Jim said to tell me to say.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And John was like, well, tell him I'm 2 0. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, now we gotta.

[PFT Commenter]

They're exactly like that, though. I remember last year in the combine, I was actually at a dinner with the two of them, and like, halfway through the dinner, they started having an argument. Whose head was bigger?

[Mike McDonald]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

And they took my hat and they were like. They were testing it on my hat. And I was just like, what is going on?

[Mike McDonald]

I believe that 100%.

[Big Cat]

That actually.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's awesome. Imagine that at least once a day, Jim gets up and goes back to back with somebody. See who's taller. Come on, let's see.

[Mike McDonald]

We would race people to see. It was like the last guy in camp. Like, the punters would, like, race. He's like, let's just. Let's. They should. We should race. And whoever wins. And it's like, that's brilliant. You know, it's just like, he just thinks of those things immediately.

[Big Cat]

Just compete.

[Mike McDonald]

It's unbelievable.

[Big Cat]

I got a question about your childhood. You're from Scituate, Massachusetts?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So our producer, Hank, also from Scituate, Massachusetts.

[Mike McDonald]

Right on.

[Big Cat]

He didn't believe me. I was going to situate Michael all year. And Hank was like, he's not from Situate. Dude. You are from Situate.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, Yeah. I lived in Situate for six years.

[Big Cat]

Six years. There you go. So it's like you're on the Mount Rushmore of Situate. I think it's you, Ryan, Whitney.

[PFT Commenter]

And Hank.

[Big Cat]

And Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Who else?

[Mike McDonald]

This is an honor.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Anyone else? Hank Longboard.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, clearly. How do you forget him?

[PFT Commenter]

I. I texted you credit to Hank after the Patriots lost Super bowl to the Seahawks. He was like. Like another situate guy is just Doing big things. So he had a nice spin zone on it.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, sorry. Sorry to do that to you.

[Zach]

It's all right.

[Mike McDonald]

You guys have enough, right? Yeah, yeah. Six is good.

[Big Cat]

That's true. So. So you lived there till you were six and then you moved?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, I went to Georgia.

[Big Cat]

And then when did you decide that you were gonna. You were gonna try to coach football?

[Mike McDonald]

Oh, shoot. I mean, the first time I got, like, I sucked in high school, and then I ended up getting hurt. And so then all my whole senior year, I basically coached the linebackers. I thought I invented power. Like, I would doodle, like, plays, you know, during class, and I, like, brought it to my. And like, we were running this play and my. I was playing fullback, and my job was to kick out the defensive end. And I just got, like, my ass kicked, like, all day every day. Like, the guy would kick my ass. I'm like, well, if we would just, like, pull the guard, they were like, we might have something here. I brought to my coach. I'm like, hey, look, like, what do you think? He's looking at me like, you're an idiot. You know, it's like, shut up and get away. So I was always interested in it, and then I did it when I was hurt my senior year. And then again, like, my high school coach ended up taking a job in Athens, not, you know, not near Atlanta. And then it was like, man, I got to go for this.

[Big Cat]

Did you. Did you play a lot of Madden to get good at, like, clock management and time management school?

[Mike McDonald]

NCAA was my favorite growing up. And then that game kind of.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Madden men got better, like, what, 10 years ago?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is there anything, like, specifically about video games that. That you can look at and see? Like, this really helped me in my. My progression coaching actual football, you know,

[Mike McDonald]

it really is like, problem solving. Like, this guy won't be running this freaking play, or he's got, like, a glitch play. And it's just, like, pissing you off, and you got. You got to figure out a way to, like, stop it, you know, and so, like, that happens. Shoot. Every play when you're calling plays, you know, you're always either, like, attacking something or you're like, mitigating risk somehow or trying to, like, protect somebody or. Or, you know, attacking somebody. So it's always a reason on, like, why you're calling it, but you're really playing off the guy that. That's calling plays across from you. So, yeah, that definitely transfers.

[PFT Commenter]

Was there a specific thing that the Rams. Because your Your defense was so good all year and then you played these two Rams games at the end of the year.

[Mike McDonald]

We're still looking for answers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you won them, but they did have the most success that anyone had against your defense. Was there anything specific that they were doing that was like you just couldn't figure out or crack the code?

[Mike McDonald]

I hate to say. Like, I mean it's just we got enough stops to win but like we didn't play like up to our standard and they played, they played great football and they had great game plan. So like a combination of, you know, I think they did some great stuff IDing some things how we operated operationally that they're great at, like how they operate. And then, you know, Sean's great at having change ups and compliments off of things and then. And you know, you got the MVP with you know, a great, I mean just the personnel. They have Puka making the plays he's making. It's just those are some tough games, man. Our guys played hard, but the game, we came back and we sucked in the first half, we played great in the second half, end up giving it a touchdown. It's just we've had these like back and forth with the Rams really for the last three years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And like every, I feel like we just, we're just going to keep evolving and like sharpen each other for the next, I don't know how many years we, we go at it.

[PFT Commenter]

So these, so two things in, in those two games though, the punt return from Shaheed and then the muff punt by the Rams in the, in the playoff game. Yeah. It feels like you put a very big emphasis on special teams and other, other teams around the league maybe don't like, is that something that you're very deliberate about? Because it does feel like when we get in these playoff games, it's always like, oh, a special teams play can swing everything well.

[Mike McDonald]

Another, you know, another Harbaugh.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, Jay's our special teams coordinator.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

And he's just, he's a lead at his job. And I mean all we know is how, is how Jim and John, you know, they treat special teams. So like that's how we've been trained and does turn out. It's a third of the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, so like why would you, why would you treat that any differently? But don't tell anybody, you know, we'll keep, we'll keep playing great special teams and keep helping us win games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is it, is it important to you to keep calling Plays on defense. Does it feel like that's something that you're ever going to give up as a coach?

[Mike McDonald]

When I came into the opportunity, I told everybody, like, we'll call plays as far as. Like, as long as we feel like it's best for the team ultimately. At one point, I've always thought, like, I would like to just coach, like, the whole team, you know, so we'll see. I mean, I think the timeline's a little different than we thought coming in. I thought it was going to be like a year or two before, like, we kind of moved in a different direction. But I think the thing that we have right now on our staff, like, it's not just me, like, calling plays in the corner. It's like, you know, ad's hand on the front. We're marrying the front in the rush. You know, Carl's doing, you know, coverage adjustments with Jeff and KO and those guys. So it's kind of like this, like, it's kind of this, like, organized chaos on the headset, like, what we're going to next, how we're building things. So ultimately I'm the guy, like, saying the words, but it's really like everybody's, you know, kind of coming together on how we're to going. Going to really progress throughout the game. You know, like, if you call a third down and third down and five or third down and six is like, well, do I. We're going to come back with the same time next time? Or is there a compliment the next one? Like, it's. You got to be thought out on and you got to be ready because, you know, things happen. And like, if I tell a player, if I tell the guys, hey, look, the next third and six is going to be this call, and they have, like, 10 minutes to think about it. Like, they're going to execute that way better, right? Like, oh, whatever. In the. In the. You know, in the spur of the moment, like, execution goes way down when that happens.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I heard.

[Big Cat]

I would say whatever you're doing right now, it's working pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I heard that. You. You don't finish your play call sheet to, like, two hours before the game, which is. Yeah, that's very atypical. Like, most coaches are finishing it Friday or Saturday at the latest. What is that? Is that. Is that something you always have done or is it just like, you. You got thoughts going all the way up until kickoff.

[Mike McDonald]

When I was in Baltimore, I'd finished it earlier and so. But I would still like you going through, like, different I don't really know that situation as well as I should right now. I gotta go. Let me go like, like buzz out again, get ready to go or two. Maybe it's two minute, but in the last two years, like you got so much stuff at like throughout the week as a head coach, like, my process gets kickbacked and I procrastinate like a, like a son of a gun with everything I do. So like, I just want to wait till the last second. And so we actually have a cool cadence now. Like after the 90 minute meeting, Carl comes in and, and, and AD comes in and we, we write down our final like pass rush fronts. We write down we're going to do in two minute. And sometimes it's fourth down, sometimes it's short yardage with cp. Yeah, we go all the way up.

[PFT Commenter]

So you really go up until the gun. You wait all the way.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, we know, I mean we're not installing anything but like organizing our thoughts on how we're going to go.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

In some of those critical situations.

[PFT Commenter]

Was there a moment in the super bowl that. And I know, you know, you, you. There was a clip of you being like, I'm not celebrating until it's zeros. But was there a moment where you're like, I think we're better than them, like significantly, because it felt like especially early on with some of the blitzes, with some of the situations you were putting in, it's like if the Seahawks just take care of the ball, this is, this is going to be very tough for the Patriots.

[Mike McDonald]

Like, we gave up some big leads in Baltimore. My, like the first half of that, that first season I was coordinating and so I learned very quickly, like, you got to keep your pedal, like the foot on the gas, stay aggressive and like you're trying to go win the game. You're trying not to like, not lose the game.

[Memes]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

And so, you know, you're calculating possessions and time on like how you're going to handle the game, like game management wise. But like, even after like Chen's touchdown, I'm like, that's a pretty big lead. Like, that's kind of cool. Like I think we might win, you know, and then they go right down the field and score and you're like, well, shit, here we are. Like, now we got, now we need another stop. So that's where their mind was just like, okay, what, like what that. Okay, what's next type of mentality. And then, and honestly, until like the last drive, because it was like, well, the last drive they could just go score. Now they're on an onside kick to, like, tie the game.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

And so until really. Till the last play, I was like, oh, shit, now we're going to win this.

[Max]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You're going to win the Super Bowl. Do you have. I know it's hard, you know, after winning a Super bowl to say you have any regrets from the season, but do you have any regrets from the season? And why is it that you didn't get the ball to Jake Bobo enough?

[Mike McDonald]

How awesome is that? They made that play and

[Big Cat]

you're surprised?

[PFT Commenter]

What are you talking about?

[Max]

I know.

[Mike McDonald]

I. We really screwed that up.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

We had him on the show super bowl week, and he's the man.

[Mike McDonald]

He's like, I need to play more.

[PFT Commenter]

We tried to gas him up. We're like, you need to go in there and say, give me the ball.

[Mike McDonald]

He should have done that. Maybe. Maybe we would have won three more games.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean, he was very, like. He was very polite and reserved and gave all the credit to his coaching staff. We're like, dude, you got to say, you got to be more of a wide receiver, to be honest. Like a. A real wide receiver. A division would be like, give me the ball. And Bobo doesn't do that enough.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, he had every right to. Yeah, he had every right to please.

[PFT Commenter]

We gotta have that. Just Jake Bo.

[Mike McDonald]

That's probably the biggest regret.

[Big Cat]

Was there.

[Zach]

Good, Good.

[Big Cat]

Was there anything that you had in the tank for the super bowl that you didn't get to use, like a trick player, gadget play? But it was so much of a blowout that it was.

[Mike McDonald]

No, it was actually funny. I mean, I remember on the sideline telling the guys in the headset, I was like, guys, we're like, just about out of pressures, you know?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Pretty much called everything on the call sheet. We got things that are in every game and stuff. But I'm glad that we didn't need it, like, later on in the game because we kind of fired all our bullets pretty early.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you have one that was someone other than Sam Donald throwing a pass, like a wide receiver or anything?

[Mike McDonald]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

God damn it. I bet I. Every Super Bowl, I bet over two and a half players to have a pass attempt. Attempt.

[Mike McDonald]

And you just.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, it's off.

[Big Cat]

It's off.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I didn't get to that one. That's Clint's fault. You can play now. He's the enemy, so.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

We should get after.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Make Clint as uncomfortable as possible.

[Big Cat]

Is it true that Good Offense beats good defense.

[Mike McDonald]

No.

[Big Cat]

So what about perfect offense versus perfect defense?

[Mike McDonald]

Is that possible?

[PFT Commenter]

Is it. Is it true that there's no defense for the perfect path? Yes.

[Mike McDonald]

Dan Marino, Respectfully, no.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so what is the defense for the perfect pass?

[Mike McDonald]

Perfect defense.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

A guy well played.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. I love this. Just living in theoretical spaces, just.

[Big Cat]

Just cliches about football that you've heard people say all the time.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, great defense is going to be great offense. Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I mean, there's a lot wins championships.

[Mike McDonald]

There's a lot of like.

[Big Cat]

Is that true?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is this year.

[Mike McDonald]

Is it true? Yeah, I mean, I feel like all. There's a lot of like Super Bowls and big games in the past where I feel like the. If you were just like, chalk up all the ones where like the great defense weighed against the great offense, I feel like the defense is probably one more lost. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Especially also what you are able to do is get pressure with four. You. You don't like blitzing.

[Mike McDonald]

I love blitzing.

[PFT Commenter]

But you don't do it often. Often.

[Mike McDonald]

I love blitzing. When it's going to work.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Why blitz if it's not going to work?

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good point. How are you able to. Is there something you do specifically to time up the quarterback's snap count and everything? Because you were.

[Mike McDonald]

How dare you suggest that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm just saying, like studying tape and stuff. Because like I said in the Super Bowl, Witherspoon was. He was just shot out of a cannon multiple times.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Where he just had it perfectly.

[Mike McDonald]

This is a shout out to the 12s. It's way easier to do that when they're on silent cadence.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, if they're on. If they're on verbal, like, they can really. They can go anything they want, their verbal cadences to the point where, like, they can bring it down like really low and still adjust protections and stuff. But when you're on silent, your operations pretty much locked in at a certain point and Spoon's got a great feel for that. So.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Shout out to the 12.

[PFT Commenter]

The 12s were. Yeah, I. I know.

[Mike McDonald]

It was really incredible, wasn't it?

[PFT Commenter]

It was. It was one of those things where we were watching because. Because the last time the Seahawks were in the playoffs was during COVID at home. And we. When the opening kick gets returned back to the 49ers, we're like, oh, like this game is over. We forgot about the twelves. Like, we forgot how crazy this is.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it really. You could really feel it when. When teams were playing there in the playoffs.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, it. It sucked last year because we couldn't win at home.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

And then in our first year, I'm like, gosh, you know, and. But the fan, like, the. The. The place was still rocking, but, like, it wasn't. You could tell, like, there's another level to the, like, where it could go. And so we finally made it come to life this year, man, and it was freaking awesome. Atmosphere was insane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we brought that up, actually, a few times. You were kind of an anomaly where you were, like, insane on the road to start your career.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What was that?

[Mike McDonald]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

It was crazy because it was like, Seattle. Yeah. And it was like, Mike McDonald just doesn't lose on the road.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. We just love losing at home. It was. Yeah, it was great. You know, just to keep it close.

[Big Cat]

I don't know.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, mean, like, defensively it is. It is harder to play at home, believe it or not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I was going to ask, like, is that. Is the noise level a factor? Because obviously it disrupts the offense, right?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, we've had to adjust, like, how we operate on a certain level and, like, what we can call and things like that. But, yeah, it turns out how you play is way more important than, like, being in a sweet call, you know, so we learned that one the hard way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have anything in mind for. Because, you know, winning Super Bowls, very, very hard. Repeating is even harder. Not a lot of teams have done it. I saw a lot of your messaging this year was like, you know, how much you love the guys. Have you thought about how you're going to change it up? Just like, maybe OTAs you show up and you're like, I hate you guys. Like, just switch. Switch it on them.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, just keep them, like, they keep on their toes, you know?

[PFT Commenter]

Or like, the. We don't care. Like, maybe this year. Maybe this year it's like, we're going to read every comment.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Guys, we're going to care. We're going to care too much. Yeah, we're going to care.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, what's the Seattle Seahawks Reddit saying about us? Like, you pull that up, up.

[Mike McDonald]

Maybe that's what you should say. I mean, that's really great source material. And it's, like, never going to run out. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

So I'll always have a team meeting. Like, ready to go.

[PFT Commenter]

We care too much.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, we care.

[PFT Commenter]

We care too much.

[Big Cat]

What do you think about the nickname, the Dark side? Do you like that nickname?

[PFT Commenter]

I Do.

[Mike McDonald]

I think it's pretty cool.

[Big Cat]

Who came up with that?

[Mike McDonald]

I'm pretty. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Leo came up with it. Right, Leonard?

[Big Cat]

I'm not sure. I wasn't sure if it was, like, born from the team or if it was born from, like, a writer.

[Mike McDonald]

I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Leo and the guys came up with it.

[Big Cat]

I feel like it's a. It's a very menacing nickname.

[PFT Commenter]

It's very.

[Big Cat]

When it go. When it goes well.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. If it doesn't go well, the dark

[Big Cat]

side's really easy to, like, point out and be like, ooh, the dark side. All right, here's the first thing on the Seattle Seahawks Reddit right now.

[Mike McDonald]

Perfect.

[Big Cat]

It's. Don't talk about my qb.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good.

[Big Cat]

And just Sam Darnold with his. Some good stats about Sam Darnold.

[PFT Commenter]

So you're locked in.

[Big Cat]

People are very happy. There's a graphic that somebody made that makes it look like you guys are Star wars and you're the super bowl champions. This is actually rat poison. This is, like, too good. The stuff that they're saying about you right now.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

How does that work? Do we need to, like, struggle for maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You know, get some adversity.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, get some adversity, then get them talking shit, and then we can care more.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's exactly what you guys.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it sounds like. It sounds like a winning strategy.

[Big Cat]

Oh, here's a good one. Have you ever seen this meme before? It's like a timeline of a game, Right. And at the start says, oh, boy, am I excited to watch my favorite team play. And then right in the middle, it says, I'm going to kill Reek. Woollen says, nice, we won.

[Mike McDonald]

No, I haven't seen that one. Shout out Reek.

[Big Cat]

That was a pretty crazy moment in that Rams game, huh? But I said, like, I know you're talking about. All right. I thought it was really good that he, like, the team was able to bounce back from that moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

After what could have just been, like, a disaster.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, I totally agree. Well, one, I was the one that probably had to come back to Back to Earth. I was pretty upset. But I actually. I watched it actually on the TV copy on, like, the. It's because it's, like, interspliced on the. On the system. So it really wasn't that bad of a penalty. Like, I thought, like, in real time. I thought it was way worse. And he shouldn't have gone over there, but I, like, I don't know. I've seen worse.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, not the best decision, but

[Big Cat]

I think in that moment it would be. It would have been really easy to just crumble, to like mentally fall apart.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

After you go from, I screwed up

[Mike McDonald]

on the next play. I put him in one on one. And that was dumb. I shouldn't have done that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. All right, so here's another one from The Seahawks Reddit. Radicus9. This was after your first year. Someone posted, Just saying. What is everyone's thoughts on Mike McDonald after the first year? Radicus9 said he's okay, had some huge things work in his favor and was unable to take advantage of them. A considerable regression is likely next season. Whoops, that guy was wrong.

[Mike McDonald]

I love that. Yeah, I love that. What do you think, Izzy? Like, you think he's like, hey, you know, I screwed that up, or I don't know what he's like, sticking to his guns.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, we need to hear from Radicus9. Be like, dude, you said regression year

[Mike McDonald]

two, like lucky Super bowl, year three.

[Memes]

He's screwed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's. And then this was crypto. Klepto said he's done a good job. Not bad, but also not great.

[Mike McDonald]

He's into crypto, so he knows what's going on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So maybe this is the new thing. You care too much. You just, instead of studying film, you just read the comments.

[Big Cat]

Here's an anonymous quote from.

[Mike McDonald]

That's. That's brilliant.

[Big Cat]

Anonymous player I'd like to be trade away from Seattle. I'd prefer to be dealt to a contending team as from before last offseason.

[Mike McDonald]

That was. That's on Reddit.

[Big Cat]

Anonymous player said that. Oh, no, it's. That's a report from Adam Schefter about DK Metcalf. My mistake, my mistake.

[PFT Commenter]

What is it like, though, when you, when you go back with the guys this year, is there a plan to change things at all? Or is it like, hey, it worked because you got to keep it fresh. But you also, you had an incredible season. You won the Super Bowl, I think.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, you always have to evolve, right? I mean, so how we do our off season program is going to be a little. I have some ideas on how we're going to do it, but you know, we have a shorter off season window. So how do we like maximize the time away but also get like, get the biggest bang for our buck during those like eight to 10 weeks. So like we always say, like methods and principles. So like principal, how we work how we compete, great spirit. Like we get after it, take care of all that stuff. Like, that's not going to change. But what we do in the building, how long we're there, what, you know, what exercises we do, how we do the install, all that stuff will change up. Like how we build our systems offensively. And we have a new coordinator. So, like it's important for the guys to be there and get back to work. But like it'll look different than last offseason for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the conditioning drill that you do? Because I heard. Yeah. You kick the. Out of every on.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, I was a little disappointed that guys don't want to do it. I'm like, well, yeah, no, don't.

[Big Cat]

Conditioning.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

This is not the time to. This is. This is. We should. You can't care now.

[PFT Commenter]

Right?

[Mike McDonald]

That's that we're off. That like. Yeah, that change. Yeah, we're going to do. The reason there's conditioning test is so you're in shape to go to training camp so you stay healthy and your team's in shape so you can practice.

[Big Cat]

So what is the test?

[PFT Commenter]

What's the test?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it's. It's six. 150s at a certain 25 yards and back three times. So 150, whatever that is.

[PFT Commenter]

You're the nerd.

[Big Cat]

50.

[PFT Commenter]

We're not the numbers guys.

[Mike McDonald]

Clearly not by how.

[Big Cat]

It's 50 times 6.

[PFT Commenter]

No, 25 times 6 is 150 times 3.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, 150.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Okay.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you got it.

[Mike McDonald]

And you got to do it like in a certain amount of time based on your. On your position, then like a certain amount of rest.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not that hard.

[Big Cat]

You're confused. Why thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I used to do it when Trustman was the Bears coach. Every year I would try out for the team by doing the conditioning test. Passed every year.

[Mike McDonald]

That's. That's elite.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, no big deal. I did pass it like the nose tackle position.

[Mike McDonald]

Love hearing that.

[Big Cat]

When Albert Haynesworth, he like tried and failed 11 times, I think for Washington, I got drunk, I drank a mad Dog and then I went out, I did the test. Test and passed it.

[Mike McDonald]

The lineman test. Like.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Is way easier now. It's like a joke.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

It's only the skill guys. But the lineman ones is a joke.

[Big Cat]

But you're confused why people don't like doing the test.

[Mike McDonald]

Well, I know why they don't like it. But like, now's not the time to like lower your standard.

[Big Cat]

It's a good point.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, it's like, oh, we won. So now you don't want to do what it takes to win? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

[PFT Commenter]

What's your number one combine question? You ask a guy, do, like, ping pong balls in this, in a. In a triple seven, or anything like that?

[Mike McDonald]

No, I'm not weird.

[PFT Commenter]

I just.

[Mike McDonald]

I don't really say much. I don't really ask much, honestly. Yeah, you kind of get a feel for, like, where the guy. It kind of depends on, like, what you feel like, where the guy's coming from. I don't know anybody that goes in those meetings and says, like, okay, I'm gonna. I got this guy pinned. Like, I. I asked the perfect question. Like, dude, you're an idiot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And that's, like, completely disrespectful. The scouts have just spent, like, three to four years like, following this guy's every move.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

And now here we are for 20 minutes. Like, yeah, look, I got him. You know, I asked him three questions.

[PFT Commenter]

I cracked the case.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. I cracked the code, guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You know, has there been one guy that you've. You've talked to that has either, like, confirmed something that you liked about him already and you're like, yeah, I really. I'm now more convinced than ever, because I got to meet him in person, that I want him on my team.

[Mike McDonald]

Full disclosure, I haven't watched, like, any of these guys on tape yet, so this is, like, my first exposure to them. A couple of them are guys that I started, you know, recruiting when I was at Michigan because. Cause I was a terrible recruiter, but, like, they were on the recruiting list, so, like, I watched them in high school and stuff. So it's cool. It's cool that it's kind of come full circle, and now they're entering the draft. Like, I remember that guy. I think I was sweet in high school, you know?

[Memes]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, why were you a terrible recruiter?

[Mike McDonald]

Oh, I'm just awkward and, like, just wanted.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I actually had a question about that. There was an article I read. Did you know you have an awkward pause before you answer things? I don't think I haven't noticed it in the interview, but there was a whole article about Mike McDonald's awkward pause.

[Mike McDonald]

I did. I was aware that I did pause, but I didn't do it on purpose.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

People said that it was you just, like, downloading information and coming up with a perfect response.

[Mike McDonald]

I mean, that's probably what I was trying to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

It sounds like Somebody wrote an article being like, Mike McDonald thinks before he talks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is this a red flag?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Maybe I'm thinking maybe I'm caring too much. Maybe that's a thing. I gotta, like, care less on what I say.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, if they wrote that same article about us, they'd be like, these guys say some dumb without thinking.

[Big Cat]

They talk too fast.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Way worse.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Appreciate.

[Big Cat]

Yes. You sound. You sound like a normal person.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

When you talk.

[Memes]

Right.

[Mike McDonald]

Thank you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you. Are you such a preparation freak that you prepared the Gatorade bath? Because it got you perfectly.

[Mike McDonald]

I was actually. I was just, like, fired up. There was going to be one, so the game ended. I'm like, wait, like, there's no.

[PFT Commenter]

Where's my Gatorade?

[Mike McDonald]

Is there going to be a Gatorade bath? You know?

[Big Cat]

And then I.

[Mike McDonald]

Then it was, like, coming straight at me.

[Memes]

Me.

[Mike McDonald]

So I was like, well, you just embrace it and just jump into it, you know?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I did, like, screw my ear. I got ear infection, like, a week later.

[Big Cat]

Really? Swimmer's ear from the Gatorade bath.

[Mike McDonald]

I'm like, I sound funky right now. Like, I'm still dealing with it. It's like, yeah, but I had an ear infection. Like, I was hurting for a minute. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Big Cat]

Totally worth it.

[Mike McDonald]

Totally.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

I thought it was. It was your full back that got you right.

[Mike McDonald]

Patio and Brady Russell. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The sin of the fullback with mullet out as a captain was a power move. You did that just.

[Mike McDonald]

That was way.

[Big Cat]

That was on purpose to intimidate.

[PFT Commenter]

Right?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You need to be strong.

[PFT Commenter]

You need to use that story, by the way, next training camp, be like, hey, if you guys are injured, if you're hurt, just know. I got an ear infection from the Gatorade bath. And I still went to the party.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. I had a great time.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I didn't. I didn't. On a podcast.

[Big Cat]

If you have to do it over again. Is it worth it to win the super bowl to get an ear infection? Infection?

[Mike McDonald]

I don't know. I just. I don't know if we want to.

[PFT Commenter]

How bad are we talking ear infection? Was the flight uncomfortable for you?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

This is something I'm gonna deal with the rest of my life.

[PFT Commenter]

This is.

[Mike McDonald]

This is like.

[Big Cat]

This is permanent battle scars.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, that's right.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, I have one last question about the Super Bowl. Two weeks off. Going into the super bowl, were you going a little crazy being like, I just want to play? Because I'm. I'm thinking about all the things I want to draw up, like, is there a moment where you're like, I'm actually overthinking this.

[Mike McDonald]

Oh, total. Well, that's me all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Well, you know, you, like, you. You ask coaches that have been in the super bowl, hey, what's the best way to do it? There's, like, different philosophies behind it, and I think, like, again, being a procrastinator, it's like. And we want to keep the guys, like, mentally into it the whole time. So if you're like, hey, let's do a full. Full game plan the first week, and then we'll rinse, repeat that next week, like, it gets old for the guys, and, like, you don't come up with the best ideas. You're under the gun. So we kind of. Kind of, kind of, like, ramped into the second week, had, like, a base foundation of what we felt, like we were strongly about what we wanted to do. And then, like, we really kind of dialed it in the second week, and it, like, added, like, a sense of urgency behind what we were doing. But that. That Tuesday before, the Tuesday that guys had off when we were in. We were in California. Like, that was a long day.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

And we're just, like, sitting there and like, I'm. I'm like, the. Hey, but what about this? And our staff's like, dude, we're good. Like, just do that. Like, we're gonna be fine. We can play those plays in this defense. I'm like, yeah, but I don't know. But that's. That's how we work together. You know, I bring up all the problems, and they calm me down.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did you think at any point during the super bowl that, like, what. What have I done? We might have a kicker as mvp?

[Mike McDonald]

I actually. I. So the game ended, and I didn't know. So the game ended. Okay. You do the awkward stare at the sky thing, and then you're walking towards the stage. And then there I think it was. Dave was with me. He's like, oh, yeah, by the way, Ken Walker's mvp. I was like, oh, yeah. It makes sense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He was awesome.

[Big Cat]

That's good.

[Mike McDonald]

Great.

[Big Cat]

But there was a moment, watching at home, where we're like, we might have a kicker. It might be a kicker.

[Mike McDonald]

That'd be kind of. That'd be kind of. I mean, that's. If you win, they're all. It's all good, right?

[Big Cat]

Like, that's true.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Totally. Totally worth winning the super bowl again. Ear infection.

[Big Cat]

What costs to Have a kicker infection.

[Mike McDonald]

Kickers. The mvp.

[Big Cat]

I. I don't know if he's even prepared for this, but we have a guy that. He played high level college football. He was a center.

[PFT Commenter]

He's not prepared for this.

[Big Cat]

I want.

[PFT Commenter]

I want you.

[Big Cat]

I want you to scout. So he was on the Hoosiers.

[PFT Commenter]

He's.

[Big Cat]

So. He's a, like, legitimately good center. You want to just give him a set and you can judge like this. We're at the combine, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we might as well.

[Big Cat]

This is. This is a job interview, Mike.

[PFT Commenter]

I played center, also play both guards, but.

[Big Cat]

Okay, we got. We got a ball here.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, Give him the ball. Give him a ball.

[Big Cat]

Max, Max, you be quarterback.

[PFT Commenter]

I played with AJ for three years.

[Mike McDonald]

It's a sniff right there.

[Memes]

Cool.

[Big Cat]

All right, here we go. Let's see what you got. What do you got, Katie?

[PFT Commenter]

So can I ask what defense you're in?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, let's. Let's say there's like a. We're a shade right to your left and a five technique. And on the snap, they're going to run a. Like a. Like a. Yeah, T. All right, so we're sliding left. Yeah. All right, let's go.

[PFT Commenter]

48 to Mike. Hey, Louie, Louie, Louie, Louie.

[Mike McDonald]

I want to bring pressure over here really bad.

[Max]

Oh, oh.

[Big Cat]

Should we wait?

[PFT Commenter]

So then he has to check. He has to check.

[Mike McDonald]

Hey, flip, flip, flip, check.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey.

[Memes]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Hey.

[Mike McDonald]

Roger, Roger, Roger, roger. Green 80.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, he blocked the whole team.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's good.

[Mike McDonald]

He got the whole team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

No warm up yet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Thank you.

[Mike McDonald]

Like, ligaments intact. Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Meniscus lateral.

[PFT Commenter]

After the 20. After the 20. 21 season.

[Big Cat]

Didn't miss any games.

[Mike McDonald]

Is that as bad as an ear infection or is that.

[PFT Commenter]

That's probably. No, I bet you ear infection is probably worse, but yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it's impressive.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, cool.

[Mike McDonald]

It's just straight cold, too, like.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Re ID the protection the whole night.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

I'll tell you what. We didn't time very well. Yeah, yeah, it was bad.

[Max]

Really nervous.

[Big Cat]

It's interesting seeing how a defensive coach approaches that as opposed to an offensive coach, because we had. So we work with John Gruden, and the first time he met Katic, he came in the office and Katic was like, yeah, it was a center at Indiana. And Groom just goes immediately, all right. Get down your three point stance and just goes up, puts his hand.

[Mike McDonald]

I feel like Jim would have done. Yeah, I would have done something like that for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I tell the story, but yeah. J. We were at Chargers Camp Might, might have been two years ago. My, my third child was just born and I, I was. He asked how the kids were and I showed him a picture of my youngest and he was I think six months old at the time. And coach Harbaugh just goes, he's got a great skull for football. And I was like, he's, he's six months, dude.

[Mike McDonald]

That, that's an all time lie. Yeah, it's just.

[Big Cat]

How does he think?

[Mike McDonald]

Think like he would say. He says things. I'm like, how does he think that fast?

[Big Cat]

He's just always thinking.

[Mike McDonald]

I'm pausing, trying to think of it. He's just like banging it out.

[Big Cat]

Are you going to get any residuals for when the team gets sold? Because you increase the value so much by when. I feel like that's worth at least $20 million. Right. Like it break you off the top.

[Mike McDonald]

If we could just like keep me in my job, that would be worth it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

You know, it'd suck if they just said like, hey, we're gonna change everybody.

[Big Cat]

I think you're good. I think they'll probably stay with what works.

[Mike McDonald]

Give us a chance at least, you know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's, that's a, a weird circumstance. I assume you have absolutely zero to do with like no control over what happens, but it's gonna be in the background for the next like six months or year or however long.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it's, it's, it is going on. It doesn't really like affect us. I mean, just before we do like day to day, you know, I mean, I mean there's going to be some sort of transition period at some point. It's probably going to happen maybe during the season. If it does just kind of like whatever, we'll just keep rolling.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the most important position for you on defense that you were like, I need this to run my defense.

[Mike McDonald]

Just give us great players, man. We'll make it come to life. I mean the D line playing as well as they did just kind of unlocks everything. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But it feels like too that you, if you have a really good stage, like you had Kyle Hamilton and then you know, when Seattle, like having, having a safety who can, can do everything, like gives you the ability to just call everything.

[Mike McDonald]

And nowadays like, you know, they, they're trying to. Teams are trying to like manipulate you and like your structures that you're in based on who's on the field and are you single high, too high, man's all that stuff. So it's our philosophy is like, well, it's just. Let's give you one input, you know, and then just make you operate to, like, without having, like, cheat codes, roads. And Nick allows us to do that, you know. Yeah, we can stay in the same people and pretty much get to anything we need to get to, which is, like, kind of rare.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is there a game from this season that you can look back on and say, this, this forced us to make a change in a meaningful way?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Tampa.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What happened?

[Mike McDonald]

Nick didn't start that game and he balled out. He played really well, but, like, again, that was one of those, like, game plans where, like, this. This is dumb. Like, put these guys in, like, this situation. This situation. This situation. We sucked at it. Like, we had a terrible Friday practice. And I'm like, well, no wonder. We had a bad practice. Like, we had done. We had. It was just a bad game plan. You know, it's like, hey, trust your players a little bit more. You know, like, let's be a little bit more cleaner throughout the week. And then. And then the players, I think they understood, like, hey, look, we need to, like, the standard of how we practice every day does matter. You know, we got to bring in even on a Friday day. And so, like, together we're like, okay, let's kind of strip this thing down a little bit. We found our identity here. Like, we found, like, our sweet spot. Let's just, like, hammer that home, you know, and get really great at that. And after that, I thought. I thought we played pretty great defense the rest of the year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. The. The game against the Colts. Did you tell your guys, like, hey, don't, like, kill Phil Rivers.

[Mike McDonald]

They had a great game plan.

[PFT Commenter]

He was. He was throwing it so fast. He was getting the ball out.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, they had a great game plan. I mean, they, like, they definitely. They operated differently than they had in all the other groups. Which for a guy like me, it's hard to be like, I need tape. I need to, like, go off of something to build a game plan. It's hard for me to be like, hey, we're just going to run our stuff and let's go. You know? So, like, not knowing how they're going to operate with him was. It was a challenge. And then he came in and it was. He was doing it, like, old school Phil river style. I mean, he's ID and stuff and talking shit. If they scored a touchdown, it was. It was actually kind of cool.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

As much as you hate giving up a touchdown, I was like, I've seen that guy Before, Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Did he yell something at you?

[Mike McDonald]

No, but he has done that in the past when I've been on the. Not to me personally, but I want to be on the sideline. Like we were in a. We were in a. We actually like got him to re ID the protection when I was in Baltimore, brought an extra guy away from the slide kind of like we just did with the. Over here. He saw it like drifted away, knew we were in a certain coverage through the post and just talked and he was like, deuce, you know, he's like, haha, you're induced. And he's like, knew the exact coverage yelling us right down the sideline. I was like, man, what a. What a savage. The guy's awesome.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Who'd you have running scout team? Philip Rivers.

[Mike McDonald]

Jalen Milro would have been a tough, tough comp that week. Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Jalen Milroe. But he has to only hop on one leg.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, it's like a. One legged J Mill back there. Can't move, you know, but like a knee brace or something like brace.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, this has been awesome. I have one last question for you. It's roback question. R, H, O, B A C K.com promo code, take Q, zips, hoodies, jogger shorts. PFT is wearing it right now. Great. My last question is, could you give us two barks?

[Mike McDonald]

He goes, give me two bark.

[PFT Commenter]

There he go, give me two bark. AJ Barner told me he's like, you got to ask for two barks.

[Mike McDonald]

We'll do it right in the middle of a team meeting. AJ will start barking in the middle of a team meeting. And then I'll just like, oh, I. I probably need to do that now. Now you know.

[PFT Commenter]

So you bark back at him.

[Mike McDonald]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Do you bark louder?

[Mike McDonald]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, so he yells, give me two barks.

[Mike McDonald]

No. So that's J. Reed's thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Y.

[Mike McDonald]

But then like when AJ gets like excited, he'll just like bark, start barking in the meeting.

[PFT Commenter]

And then you have. And then you as a dog have to respond to the barks.

[Mike McDonald]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

And sometimes.

[PFT Commenter]

Now I understand why it's fun to go to work.

[Mike McDonald]

Like the teammate is like this organized, like chaos. A certain point. Like, like once you put on your guards, it's like, whatever, let's just, let's

[PFT Commenter]

just bark at each party.

[Mike McDonald]

Work and have a good time and let's roll. Yeah, bark at each other.

[Big Cat]

And sometimes you have to bark until you move on. Like, okay, I bark back. Can we get back to the conversation?

[Mike McDonald]

So when it, when it started did you hear the story about how it started?

[PFT Commenter]

No. Give it to us.

[Mike McDonald]

So, Jay, what game was it? It was. I think it was San Francisco at their place. You know, we're fired up, about to go out on the field initially, and Jay Reed's like, give me two barks, like, with. With everybody that's about to go out. And, like, nobody knew knew that that was coming. So I'm, like, standing back there. I'm like, that was weird. And then so he yells it again, like, nobody. And then. So, like, by the fourth time he yells it, the guys start, like, barking back. And then we're like, okay, that was really weird, man. Like, all right, whatever. So we took the field, and then we won the game. And he's like, well, I was trying to think of something to, like, get the guys going, and it just came to my mind that we're dogs and we need to bark and whatever. He says something at the end, and then, like, the guys just lost. Loved it. And so then that was the thing we do before games now. Yeah, it was pretty awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Big Cat]

That was great. So give me two marks. Are we allowed to do that, or is that stolen valor?

[Mike McDonald]

No, no. You guys are honorary. Honorary barkers.

[PFT Commenter]

As a student at Georgia, did you ever bark at another man when they call on all the dogs?

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah, unfortunately, I did some really dumb things when I was in Georgia. Luckily, it was not recorded.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, man. Well, coach, congrats on everything. Awesome having you on. We really appreciate it.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah. Thanks, guys.

[PFT Commenter]

And now you're a recurring guest, so you have to come on anytime we ask. Ask.

[Mike McDonald]

Love it.

[Big Cat]

Football genius.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Football genius. And Barker. And dog. And also ear infection survivor. Yeah.

[Mike McDonald]

That's probably my most proud moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Hope. Yeah. I mean, let's hope you don't take a turn for the worse here. Right? Let's. We got to get you cleared medically.

[Big Cat]

You're fighting. Yeah. McDonald's strong.

[Mike McDonald]

Just keep them going. As long as the Super Bowls come, we'll be infections. Keep going.

[PFT Commenter]

Has retired after winning the super bowl because of an ear infection. Thanks, coach.

[Mike McDonald]

All right, guys. Thanks,

[Big Cat]

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[PFT Commenter]

Okay boys. 10 years. 10 years. Pardon my take. Pretty crazy. So we talked about it on Friday. We figured out that we recorded our first episode ever on February 29th. Our first episode episode launched on March 2nd. So March 1st does feel like our 10 year anniversary. I wanted to start with it. Appreciate everyone who tweeted had messages today. It was really cool. I always, I struggle with this. I don't know if you struggle with this too. Pft. It's always a little weird being like, you know, people glazing us or talking us in a certain way because it makes me feel a little uncomfortable. But I've, I've started to realize like, you gotta at least enjoy these moments. Like I don't like birthdays anymore. I don't like anniversaries. But you do have to have a step back and be like, hey, you know what? This is really cool and it's awesome that it means this much to a lot of people. But I thought the perfect description that I saw today when scrolling was can't guard Jake.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I tweeted one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Ten years of PMT to the day. Dumbest thing I've ever listened to. Complete garbage. Bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're talking about. I haven't missed an episode. 5 stars. Would recommend. Yeah, that's it, right?

[Big Cat]

It's perfect.

[PFT Commenter]

That's our legacy.

[Big Cat]

That's a great encapsulation.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm idiot. Chad.

[Big Cat]

I'm with you. I never, never, like, if. If we're on a list or if there's, like, a sports podcast award. Unless it's the time list, which I was really broken up about. The tennis podcast kind of usurped us on. I never give that any mention.

[PFT Commenter]

It makes you feel uncomfortable.

[Big Cat]

Like, if we're on a list of, like, you know, the top five sports podcasts in the United States, whatever, that's great, but I don't. I never feel, like, any sort of emotion about being included in some, like, industry thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big Cat]

But 10 years did. Did make me stop and look back and think about it, because it's 10 years of my life, right? And it's 10 years of what we've done all day, every day. And I. I got drunk yesterday, and when I went home from the bar, I actually wrote down something. I started to write a tweet out.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

And so I wrote the tweet, and then I just kept writing the tweet, and I was like, I'm not going to post this. I'm just going to save this and say it on. Pardon my take out loud.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Big Cat]

And I just opened it up right now.

[PFT Commenter]

I haven't it read.

[Big Cat]

Read it again. I was hammered when I wrote.

[PFT Commenter]

You want Zach to read it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Zach, do you want to read what?

[PFT Commenter]

Can you please read it? The hammered pft tweet from yesterday. Yeah.

[Zach]

I can read it if you'd like

[Memes]

me to read it.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it'd be good coming for you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

This is like, out of body experience.

[Big Cat]

This is going to be good. That way I can have, like, plausible denial.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, like, I didn't say any of that.

[Big Cat]

No, I. I don't have emotions. Zach has emotions. Not me. I'm a man.

[PFT Commenter]

Man.

[Big Cat]

Zach. What? Email address? Pmt. Bachelor party.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no. Pft. They. Did they put the nipple ring on you?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I retweeted that. That's very funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

For all the. That we talked about Ryan Day. All right, so, Zach, I just sent you the tweet that I started to write last night, but I did not finish. I want you to read it.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

To the class.

[PFT Commenter]

Here we go. Zach, this is from Zach Cornelius. If anything bad is said, a lot

[Zach]

can happen in 10 years. Since we started, pardon my take, we've seen the death of dynasties. A bunch of Boston sports championships, one Chicago championship, one Philly title, two Washington titles, zero New York championships. Ten years ago, we were bloggers. Hank was thinking about quitting. I didn't have healthcare or face. In the last 10 years, I've seen Hank become a creative boss with amazing production and hiring instincts. All the success of barstool since 2016 is a direct result of his growth. I've seen Big Cat grow into becoming a father and the most talented voice in all sports media and a college football national champion winning coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you.

[Zach]

We've been through a lot together. Failed TV shows, the predatory sports media business trying their best to split us up or weaken us. But the one thing that kept us together was a realization that we've got a great thing. We're lucky enough to have built this from the ground up and we don't need egos to break it up. Collar daddy could learn a lot from us.

[Max]

Banger. Banger.

[PFT Commenter]

That was great.

[Zach]

We're the luckiest guys in the entire world and we got the best job in the entire world. I get to work with my best friends at the best job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Zach]

These guys have been there through starting this podcast to fail TV shows, to two cross country moves, to family, starting to some very tough times personally, like the loss of my dad. So much has happened and the only way to make it worth through these 10 years of ups and downs is you better have good people in your corner. And I've had the best right here in this room. We owe so much to the guys and the girls who listen to the show who are always there for us, to the people who used to listen. We appreciate you. To the new listeners. We love you guys too. Lucky doesn't even begin to describe us 10 years ago. We were hard working with a commitment to consistent stupidity. And even though the show has changed and I don't really see much of a change, even though the show has changed and I don't really see much of a change in what got us to this point, I'd be honored to do 10 more with you guys. Thanks for changing my life.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Oh, that was what? That was perfect. Pft.

[Big Cat]

Thank you, Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

Or Zach. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Good thought, Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

That was good because then you didn't have to get sentimental that way.

[Big Cat]

I didn't cry.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. I truth. Everything you said there was perfect.

[Memes]

It was.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. I said it today. I was like, here's the 10 more, and then probably 10 more after that, because what the fuck else do I. Am I going to do? This is the best thing in the world.

[Big Cat]

It's the best job ever. I always tell people that if I had. If I had told, like, a guidance counselor when I was in college or high school what I wanted to do when I grow up, I would have said something very similar to what this job is right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And my counselor probably would have said, well, that's impossible because that job doesn't exist. Nobody will ever pay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, right.

[Big Cat]

Like what we've been able to. To do together and build. And it does. It makes me sentimental. Thinking back over 10 years. 10 years is a big part of my life. I don't know about you guys. Longest job I've ever had by far.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I. I hope it's the only

[Memes]

job I've ever had.

[Big Cat]

I hope it's the. I honestly, I. I want this to be the only job that I have for the rest of my life. And it's. It's incredible that we get to do it every day. And I am the luckiest person on the planet it. For getting to work with you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

The other. So I got two tattoos on Friday, and one was Vanny Woodhead, and the other is one of. One of my favorite Grateful Dead songs. And the lyric is, grass ain't greener, wine ain't sweeter. And it kind of fit with Vanny Woodhead in the fact that this is a very difficult. And no one feels bad for difficult business. In. In what you said in that message is there are people always trying to climb the ladder. There's people who are always trying to. To, you know, split people apart, be like, oh, we can, you know, whispering in your ear saying, oh, you can get this, you can get that. Oh, why don't you do TV this or that or the other. We realized a long time ago that there's nothing better than this. And it has been a blessing that we've all come to that conclusion on our own and as a group where it's like, we got it and like, to. To be able to comfortably sit in a space seat and not want for anything else is such a blessing. And that's what the show has provided. And I think that's why we. We've done it for 10 years, and we're going to do it for 10 more years. And then 10 years after that.

[Big Cat]

I look back at, at like episode one. I was thinking about episode one last week, and Then Memes went back and listened to it. God bless you, Memes, for getting through it.

[PFT Commenter]

Boy, was it hard.

[Big Cat]

Was it hard to get through? No, it's pretty much the same.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank's audio was extremely low.

[Big Cat]

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's it.

[Max]

You're just.

[Big Cat]

Just like, criticize Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

No, Hank.

[Big Cat]

Hank has always sucked. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[PFT Commenter]

It was just.

[Big Cat]

It was. First episode, his audio was low.

[PFT Commenter]

He forgot a tripod to the shoot you guys were going to in California. What was that shoot? I love that we're having this sentimental moment, and Max and Hank are literally in a blood war right now, just locked in game.

[Max]

I saw the Celtics playing the. Like, I don't care about this, but now I do, because I hate.

[PFT Commenter]

This is like. Like when Diana said, oh, yeah. The people at the Athletics say, you know, be more like, pardon my take. We're like, why? This is why. We. We don't. We can't. We can't script any of this. We're having an actual moment, and it's 99, 91 in a game that means absolutely nothing. Just

[Big Cat]

Memes told me that in the first episode, there was one thing that. That stood out.

[PFT Commenter]

We.

[Big Cat]

We promised to join a cult every week.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Big Cat]

Is that true, Memes? Yeah, I wrote it down.

[PFT Commenter]

List of things you guys said you were going to do. One was monthly remote show from a different airport in America. All right.

[Big Cat]

We've done a couple airport reviews.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And Cult Week. Join a cult in the summer, during July. That one we could still do, I think, maybe.

[Big Cat]

What about in Grit Week?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we created our own cult.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean, we haven't. It is kind of bad that we said we would join a cult. We haven't done Texas A and M. We haven't been to Clemson, and we haven't been to Penn State. Those are like the big three we should do. But we should do Cult Week, where it's just those three schools.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But it's. It's pretty incredible. It. It really is. Like, I feel very blessed again, not only for the success of this show, but being able to do it with people, because you just look across any job, any. It's like being, you know, in a marriage. It's the same thing where it's like our relationships are so deep and we spend so much time together. Together. To be able to get 10 years without having anything, you know, catastrophically break us up or cause a problem is a true blessing. And that's to all you guys and everyone in this room.

[Memes]

I wrote this in the Book.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, book. Out in August. We're going to get it. We get into everything.

[Memes]

But I, I have always, like, felt weird. I, I, I am the luckiest person in the world. Just the fact that I was involved with the show since the beginning and you guys are super humble and gracious that when, when you know, you talk about the show, you're like, oh, me pft or me big cat. And you'd throw my name in there with you. Because it's like I was just happen to be the person that was producing and editing it in the beginning. And I always get like a little awkward when people like combine the three of us because it's always been like, it's your guy show. I feel very lucky to be here since the beginning. But yeah, I also hope I never, I don't plan on ever having another job.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Memes]

The show, I think I'll just disappear ends. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's the guys in the booth too. And the guys who came in way too early to do the lottery ball. That's too, it's everyone.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And Hank, you, you deserve to be mentioned in that for sure. Like, the show would not be the same if it wasn't for you. And I, I did mean what I wrote when I was pretty hammered that like watching Hank grow from being like, literally the guy that would show up to press record and then get it uploaded into like what you've become since, that has been one of the really, really cool things about doing this show.

[PFT Commenter]

I also think Hank talking about how we're so lucky that we've made it this far without having, you know, anything break us up, up. You're a big part of that. You guys in the booth are a big part of that. If it was just me and PFT doing the same show, just the two of us, and our only we, it was only our two voices every single Monday, Wednesday, Friday for 10 years, it probably would have ended because that's just hard to do. Having the like, ensemble cast and having everyone be a part of it. It's why coming to work every day is the best because you just come in and just bust each other's balls and have fun, some laughs. And it's also goes for every, everyone you know, Jake, Billy, everyone, Bubba, all these guys who have been part of it, Jilly, Lenny, Dykstra, anyone who's been part of it at any point, it like shares in this and it's pretty awesome. Pug. I miss Pug.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I miss all of them.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I do.

[Big Cat]

I miss all of them.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, it's, it's, it's great. And, and thank you to everyone who's listened. I mean, we, we know. We. I, I think that's the biggest message from all this ten year stuff. Yeah. Is like, we fully understand how lucky we are and we fully understand how awesome this whole experiences is. And we are going to ride it until we are the biggest old losers that everyone makes fun of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And parodies, because we started parodying everyone else where we started. Eventually that will come for us.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's, that's what it will be.

[PFT Commenter]

It will, it will happen. We'll just laugh with it.

[Big Cat]

Kind of the beauty of the show is. Yeah. We started off making fun of everybody else in the business and then what do you do when you become like one of the biggest in the business? Yeah. That's how you got there. That's when, that's when you got to start putting your name on cheesesteaks.

[Memes]

It is funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, if you, if you ran down a list, if you listen to like the first four months of the podcast, the, the advertisers that we had that.

[Big Cat]

Oh my God, they were probably all

[Memes]

like offshore gambling companies.

[Big Cat]

I would guess the founders of all the companies advertising this are probably in prison right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Shout out them, though. Yeah, they're important too.

[Big Cat]

And there was a. Yeah, there was something that Zach read off and I, I forgot why I put it in there, but now I remember, like, the people that used to listen to the show because I, I did see a couple tweets from people being like, I haven't listened as much recently. And it's like, yeah, we, we do hear that a lot for people that, like, as they get older, you know, you don't have enough time to.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but it was, I saw a couple, I was like, dude, like, can you let us have one one day? But you don't have to point out,

[Big Cat]

but honestly, respect to those guys because they were like, I used to listen a lot. I don't as much anymore more because I've gotten older. But I'm really pumped for him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's true.

[Big Cat]

It's like even there were people because, like, naturally you don't stay. I don't listen to the same shows with the same frequency as I did 10 years ago. Like, things change in your life. You don't have enough time to listen to certain things. But it's cool that we can part on good terms with the people that used.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big Cat]

Like, yes, we both went our separate ways amicably.

[PFT Commenter]

I just always laugh and, like, every

[Memes]

now and then, maybe late night.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Like, you know, thinking about it, they're just like, you know, you know, I'm gonna to do.

[PFT Commenter]

I just love when people.

[Big Cat]

I want to hear what Max and Hank are up to. Let's tap in.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, they're watching a game and doing threes in their face. I'm out again.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Now I realize why I broke up with you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

I just. I just laugh when people announce that they no longer listen. Like, it's. They're choosing a college. Like, I just want to. Want to let all my fans out there know I'm no longer listening to this podcast. But you're right. There's. I listen to podcasts going waves in and out. I mean, life changes, but hopefully they'll find their way back every now and then.

[Big Cat]

I think we still growing.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the thing. Show still free. The show's so free. The thing that I love the most is, like, I know everyone will always pick, oh, here was my specific time that I thought was the best or that I really do think it's different, but it's still so much fun that I think we, like, keep hitting peaks that we've never hit before. And there's moments. Moments that I'd be like, that was the funniest thing we've ever done. So it's like, I think we still got it. I still want to keep going for maybe we renew our vows.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'm down.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll do it in Vegas. What if we renew our house in Vegas? Just added to the list. The Max bachelor party's getting a lot of hands.

[Big Cat]

Mark Davis. Mark Davis. Renew our vows in Vegas.

[PFT Commenter]

It's getting a little out of hand. If.

[Memes]

If in terms of people invited.

[PFT Commenter]

No. If someday they're like. Like, big Cat lost all his money. Like, where to start? Max Pater. I love my boy. I want to have fun with the boys.

[Max]

It's gonna.

[Mike McDonald]

It's gonna be a weekend.

[PFT Commenter]

It's gonna be a weekend movie.

[Memes]

I. I felt like when I was thinking about it earlier that I was 22 when the podcast started. Like, I didn't. I felt older than 22 at the time. Like, now, thinking back about how young 22 is, it seems way younger than I guess I felt. But I'm 32 now. You guys were 32 when this podcast started, and I feel 31.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you.

[Memes]

31. Sorry. I feel. But I still feel way younger now than I felt like you guys were when the podcast started.

[PFT Commenter]

That was just a long way of saying we've been old for a long ass time.

[Memes]

No, just maturity. I think it feels like you guys,

[Big Cat]

you guys were so old when we started.

[Memes]

I'm asking if you guys feel the same way. Sorry.

[Big Cat]

And now you're, now you're really old.

[PFT Commenter]

I actually feel opposite. I feel like.

[Memes]

Do you think I'm. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I guess I think you've, you're more mature for sure.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You're an adult now.

[Memes]

You think I'm as mature now as you guys were when I started?

[PFT Commenter]

I think maturity in this room is a sliding scale. We are truly the Lost Boys. Peter Pan. We're. We're never going to grow up. When people, when people will say stuff like, oh, two 41. 41 year old dudes talking about getting horny. I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's. We got to talk about tits on a show.

[Big Cat]

I'm in year 2025 of my midlife crisis, going strong.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm, I'm. I don't think I'm gonna ever have a midlife crisis. I think I'm just resigned to the fact that I'm always just gonna have the, the humor of a 16 year old.

[Big Cat]

And I'm cool with that. That's what it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Maybe. Maybe a little older. I'm like a. I'm like the semester after you joined the frat and I get to haze all the. The pledges. That's where my maturity stops.

[Big Cat]

I've honestly felt like I've been 23 years old for the last like 17 years of my life.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's kind of where you stay.

[Memes]

And you do get like a little time capsule with PFT every time he comes to work. Like, that shirt, I think is from 2016.

[Big Cat]

This. That's why I wore it today. It's a 2016 shirt. That's incredible. And I still fit into it really well. No, it's, it's, it's tight in some places. It wasn't tight before.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the same.

[Max]

You wear shirts like that all the time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. No.

[Max]

Thing about that shirt is, like different.

[Memes]

PFT wears things that got sent to us for free in 2017.

[Big Cat]

This is a official 2016.

[Memes]

But respect.

[Max]

Did anyone look at PFT shirt and be like, that's an. That's an oddly fitting PF shirt.

[Memes]

Not at all.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Big Cat]

Wearing a shirt of the podcast that I'm on.

[Max]

No, I'm.

[Memes]

Yeah, you were saying it fit. Doesn't fit.

[Max]

You said it didn't fit.

[Big Cat]

Fits good. Fits really good.

[PFT Commenter]

What is the booth anything for The.

[Big Cat]

Look at, look at my body.

[Max]

You wear shirts like, it doesn't look bad.

[Big Cat]

Thank you.

[Memes]

It's.

[Max]

Yeah. This is. You're making this compliment sound like an insult.

[Big Cat]

Hank made it seem like an insult

[PFT Commenter]

three in your head.

[Memes]

No, I, I, I, I. It is like I'm jealous of, of your wardrobe as much as I give you for it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like the confidence liberating.

[Memes]

And just like you. You hold on to things that, like,

[PFT Commenter]

he's close to saying the confidence to look like.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Memes]

No, it's like we get sent, like, cheap, like, random things good from, like, random colleges 10 years ago. And, like, you'll just, you'll pop up. I'm like, I remember when that got sent in New York. Maybe before we moved to New York.

[PFT Commenter]

Respect anything for the booth. Was it.

[Max]

Yeah. I mean, it's weird. It's different for us because, I mean, obviously, we. We've only been here.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I hope you guys know years how important you guys are to the whole thing.

[Max]

I started. I started to do a tweet, like, a tweet thanking you guys, and then I, like, midway through, I just deleted.

[PFT Commenter]

I was like, listen, we're men. We don't. We're not going to do feelings. This is the most we'll. We'll ever do feelings. And then we'. None of us are ever gonna listen back.

[Max]

I was. I started to do a set of, like, a sentimental thing, and then I, I deleted it and I just put it on my Instagram story. Said, love, my boys. I was like, that's how. That's how sentimental I feel comfortable being.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that.

[Max]

But, yeah, no, I appreciated.

[Mike McDonald]

This is.

[Max]

I've listened to this show since day one. I remember listening to the first episode.

[Mike McDonald]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Max]

It was. It was my favorite show for forever

[PFT Commenter]

was the first podcast.

[Mike McDonald]

Chris Long.

[Max]

I mean, we also.

[Memes]

Whatever.

[Max]

I'm a historian of the show at this point.

[PFT Commenter]

That would actually have been really funny if you're like. And then I, I stopped listening, like, two years ago.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Chris Long. But then you guys went woke and had Bomani on week two, and I was like, fuck these guys.

[Mike McDonald]

Yeah.

[Max]

I mean, the first.

[Big Cat]

The.

[Max]

My interview at Barstool was with. With Dave. The one thing that he, like, kept in the video was I was like. Like, when I got into pod, got into doing production, it was because I listened to the show and was such a fan, and I was like, if Hank can do it, I can do it. And I said that today. And that was like, the one thing that Dave laughed at.

[PFT Commenter]

He was like, that's a good, that's a good point.

[Max]

I wonder how many people that Hank is inspiring. So, yeah, I mean, it's a big,

[Memes]

you know, volumes low. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Visibility is important.

[Max]

Well, I mean, there, there was a point. Point where I, I was like a junior in college. I was doing marketing. I was like, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. Like. And I switched to getting into production because I, I was like, what is something that I really want to do? And my, like, my mom asked me like, like when I was transferring from Hofstra to Villanova, I was like, I want to get into.

[Memes]

I.

[Max]

Like, if I had any job in the world, it would be to work. To work at part of my take. My favorite show. And then it's, you know, love that been. You know, you guys have been doing this for 10 years. I feel like it's different because it's like I saw like a lot of awls that were like, oh yeah. Like, I feel like I. This is like a 10 year anniversary as like a listener too, so it's like interesting to be in like the halfway point of like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I've been, I've been there from

[Max]

the beginning and now I've been in on the show for like four years and it's the best show in the world.

[Big Cat]

I appreciate. We got, we got the retweet finally from Dave Portnoy today. Oh, 10th anniversary.

[PFT Commenter]

No commentary actually.

[Big Cat]

No commentary, just retweet. Yeah, he did.

[PFT Commenter]

That was awesome.

[Big Cat]

Retweet on. Today is the official 10 year anniversary. Part of my take, do you think? Over under half an episode that Dave has listened to.

[Memes]

Under. Way under.

[PFT Commenter]

Way under. He's.

[Memes]

He's watched clips.

[PFT Commenter]

Clips. Clips for sure.

[Memes]

The extent of it. Yeah. Under. He was on an episode.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

What was I about to say? Oh, the, the Chris Long interview. You guys were like, we want to do playoff music.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And I, it was. I, I took the soundtrack from airbud, the movie. That's just, that's just a fun fact. That's a fun historical fact.

[PFT Commenter]

I love the show. It was never we.

[Memes]

You're like, we need Oscar's music. And I was like, how about the airbud soundtrack?

[PFT Commenter]

Now podcasts come out and like, they're already like fully polished, you know, have great studios and a bunch of people behind it. You can't replicate what. What, what the show has been because we just. We're so stupid and we, we started. We were so dumb.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And, and man was. It has been fun. Memes. You got anything? I mean, you were a super fan. I also had a sentimental tweet written

[Big Cat]

out, but I deleted it. I love that.

[Max]

We all did that.

[PFT Commenter]

Why would I ever say anything positive ever? I don't want to break you. Turn, baby face. Yeah, but I was thinking last night, I was like, I don't even know how I lasted this long. It's been like five years at this point. I didn't even own a laptop when I first started working here. I was just doing everything off my phone, listening at home. I don't know if it's.

[Memes]

It's definitely not legal, actually, but. But Memes was really good at. He was like, doing basically what he's doing now for free. And I remember DMing him. And I was like, how old are you? Because I was like, if this guy.

[Max]

This guy.

[Memes]

If this guy is like 40 or something, like, it's. It's not like I'm. We're not offering him an internship, but not cool.

[Max]

I think that's also very illegal.

[Memes]

Yeah, yeah, No, I said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Memes, are you pregnant?

[Memes]

Yeah. Because I was just like, oh, this guy's great. But if he's like a 50 year old, that's gonna be awesome.

[Max]

Memes also admitted something to me recently that he never had social media, like, at all before he started the meme account, which I don't understand how that's possible because I feel like, you know everything on the Internet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If you go to, like, my personal accounts, like, I. No photos on Instagram.

[Big Cat]

I'm just. I was just.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but you had them. He's just living.

[Big Cat]

I was just living.

[PFT Commenter]

And then the Internet trapped you and then Covid happened.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Zach, what does 10 years. 10 years mean to you? Did you listen to any episodes before?

[Zach]

I would listen, yes, for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, really?

[Mike McDonald]

Really?

[Zach]

I. I've obviously been here for five

[PFT Commenter]

minutes, so, like, well said.

[Zach]

But. But I do want to say happy anniversary, guys. Ten years.

[Max]

That's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, that's a beautif. You're part of it. Okay.

[Big Cat]

I bet Busin's going to have a 10 year anniversary, like next week.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

By accident. They're not going to realize it too.

[Big Cat]

Well.

[PFT Commenter]

So dumb. Just be like, oh, yeah, it's our 10 year anniversary.

[Memes]

How many episodes do you think we've actually done?

[Big Cat]

Oh, 500.

[PFT Commenter]

Can I use my calculator?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Memes]

No. Okay. Well, yeah. Yeah, I guess. I mean, that'll be easy.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, It'd be like 150. I would say 1500, I think.

[Memes]

I don't actually know the answer.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, it's like 150 a year, right? So 52, 150, 160 a year.

[Big Cat]

No less than that. I think three a week. Three. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. So. So 150 a year for 10 years. So 1500. Yeah, it's a lot of. Lot of podcasting and Saturdays all the time. Oh, yeah. Think about it. All the time. My kids someday finding us and just being like, what?

[Memes]

What? Yeah, that. I mean, I'm not even close to

[Big Cat]

that, but that there's some people that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they'll laugh.

[Memes]

My digital footprint is horrifying.

[Big Cat]

There's some people that started listening to us when they were probably in like ninth grade. Grade.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

They went through high school, went through college. They're probably married now.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, we're at a point. It's so crazy. I. My. My kid's school, like, you know, friends with some of the. The other parents and. And one of the parents told me that his fifth grader, like, what he wants to be when he grows up as a podcaster. I was like, what? And like, we'll bring him to the office. We'll. I'll show them around. But. But like, think about that as a fifth grade. Like, that was not even an option. We said it. It wasn't even an option when we were 22.

[Big Cat]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

That it was an option to do something like this. No, he's going to be in. He's probably going to be a sick. He's probably the one who's going to parody us.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Eventually.

[Big Cat]

Got good luck. Yeah, it's tough to parody stuff that's this stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

You never know which way we're zagging. Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna say these guys don't watch sports. And then they're going to spend an entire episode. Episode. Watching a Celtics Sixers game and interrupting everything they do. Three said ball game.

[Memes]

All right, we gotta get David Wallace back on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we do. Yeah. We also got to get Lenny Dykser back on.

[Memes]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, not actually. People are always like, I wish they still called Lenny. Like, no, when he showed up to the office and he was strapped. Yeah. He got caught by a fake Dave. So funny what he showed. He just walked into our office with a gun and he was like, yeah, Dave told me to come here. And we pulled up the account, had 17 followers who stool Presidente with a Z. Okay, good show, boys. There's enough self suck. Thank you. Everyone who. Who wrote really nice messages. They were awesome. Very, very cool.

[Mike McDonald]

Day.

[PFT Commenter]

Day. Never thought we'd get here. And we're not. We're not ever. I don't think we ever celebrated any of the anniversaries up until this one.

[Big Cat]

No, 10 just feels so.

[PFT Commenter]

You won't. Don't worry about us. We're not going to do this every year. It's be next. Next one that happens is 20.

[Big Cat]

I think 25 also.

[PFT Commenter]

It's fine.

[Max]

25 anniversaries are like birthdays. You get your decades.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

25 means a lot.

[Memes]

Also, the first episode did come on March 3rd, so I think we'll have to do it on Tuesday as well.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right, good. Part one of the self suck. Nah, more just tip March 2nd. Go full throat on Wednesday. Yeah, no, just March 2nd.

[PFT Commenter]

I do. I do hate the constant anniversary people.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't like that online.

[PFT Commenter]

So we. We did one for 10. We're gonna write a book. We do a live show and then for 20, we'll.

[Zach]

We'll.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll do.

[Zach]

We'll.

[PFT Commenter]

We'll do a porn. We'll do a porn together. If we make it to 20, put that on the. The list with the cult. If we make it to 20, we will do a. A porn. 9 way. 9 way. Gang Bang.

[Big Cat]

Softcore of Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Okay.

[Memes]

Okie cookie.

[PFT Commenter]

Okie. Oh, Okie cookie.

[Memes]

You'd rather do a porn?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, numbers. Numbers. 23.

[Big Cat]

6.

[PFT Commenter]

48.

[Memes]

3, 7. 7. 7.

[PFT Commenter]

7.

[Big Cat]

7.

[Memes]

3, 3, 7.

[Mike McDonald]

7.

[Memes]

7.

[PFT Commenter]

3.

[Max]

10.

[PFT Commenter]

3. 82. 86. Need someone to get there. 42. Should we do one more?

[Max]

Yeah.

[Memes]

It's 210.

[PFT Commenter]

Trying to get someone on the board. Everyone say your number again. 40. 56.

[Zach]

3.

[Mike McDonald]

14.

[Memes]

48.

[PFT Commenter]

7. 10. 48.

[Max]

23.

[PFT Commenter]

21.

[Memes]

71.

[PFT Commenter]

40.

[Mike McDonald]

Picture.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh. 18. 18. Shout out.

[Memes]

Jake.

[PFT Commenter]

Jake.

[Big Cat]

Got it.

[Memes]

Loved it.

[Big Cat]

One more, one more, one more.

[Max]

Last one. Last one.

[PFT Commenter]

48.

[Big Cat]

I. I would like the jets to make the playoffs one time while I'm on the show.

[PFT Commenter]

This is a wish cast. I just.

[Big Cat]

I just want.

[PFT Commenter]

I just want to say it's like a wishing win.

[Memes]

Sorry I included the zero for the 20th anniversary. The jets will make the playoffs.

[PFT Commenter]

That's so far away. Dude, this show. That actually might be what breaks up this show if the jets win a Super Bowl. And meme's just so mean to all of them.

[Big Cat]

They'll make the playing game.

[PFT Commenter]

DJ Epcot is killing people.

[Max]

I mean, that's faster.

[Big Cat]

79 to the fan.

[PFT Commenter]

79.

[Memes]

He kicked a fan in the face.

[Max]

He jumped.

[Memes]

He kicked the old woman in the face.

[Big Cat]

The old woman in the face.

[PFT Commenter]

70.

[Big Cat]

Happy birthday to part of my take also happy birthday to Sebastian Genachowski and Big Ben. And Tua.

[PFT Commenter]

That felt mean throwing into like that. And Tua and Tua, I guess.

[Big Cat]

Love you guys.