Shane Victorino, Open Championship Preview W/ Shane Bacon, Kyle Schwarber Wins The First Ever Swing Off, Mt Rushmore Of Things People Don't Care About

Summary

Pardon My Take - Episode Summary: Shane Victorino, Open Championship Preview with Shane Bacon, Kyle Schwarber Wins the First Ever Swing Off, Mount Rushmore of Things People Don't Care About

Release Date: July 16, 2025

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1. All-Star Game Recap and Kyle Schwarber’s Historic Swing Off Victory (03:17 - 05:40)

The hosts dive into the recent All-Star Game, spotlighting Kyle Schwarber's extraordinary achievement in the first-ever swing off. Schwarber dazzled fans by hitting three home runs on three swings, solidifying his status as "the best."

Notable Quote:

• [03:17] Hank Lockwood: "Three swings, three dongs, three no doubters."

Dan Katz praises Schwarber, emphasizing the success of the swing off format introduced to resolve tied games— a significant improvement since the problematic 20-year-old methods.

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2. Ranger Suarez’s All-Star Game Participation Controversy (06:04 - 08:03)

The conversation shifts to Ranger Suarez and the surrounding rumors of his absence from the All-Star Game. Hosts explore the impact of Suarez's participation on team dynamics and fan reactions, ultimately clarifying that Suarez did partake in the game, dispelling earlier misinformation.

Notable Quote:

• [07:03] Dan Katz: "Robert Suarez pitched in the game."

This segment addresses misunderstandings and highlights the importance of accurate reporting in sports media.

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3. Personal Injuries from Participation in Home Run Derby (08:35 - 10:56)

Hosts share humorous yet cautionary tales about injuries sustained during their own attempts at the Home Run Derby. Max discusses tearing his bicep from overzealous swinging, while PFT Commenter mentions a torn thumb, underscoring the physical risks of such events.

Notable Quotes:

• [09:01] Max: "I tore my bicep blasting doing this."
• [10:02] Shane Victorino: "I didn't get any over the wall. Did make contact. Thank you guys for letting me swing. That was awesome."

They advise listeners to enjoy these competitions responsibly to avoid similar mishaps.

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4. Exclusive Interview with Two-Time World Series Champion Shane Victorino (69:07 - 86:05)

Shane Victorino joins the show to discuss his illustrious career, including winning two World Series with different teams. He reflects on his upbringing in Hawaii, battling ADHD, and his initial aspirations to become a soccer star before transitioning to baseball under his father's guidance.

Notable Quotes:

• [70:20] Max: "Soccer was my number one. I wanted to be Pele."
• [85:01] Max: "Having those World Series moments reminds me how lucky I was to play at the highest level."

Victorino shares insights into the mental and physical challenges of professional sports, the importance of mentorship, and his legacy's impact on young athletes.

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5. Hot Seat, Cool Throne Segment (26:04 - 44:42)

In a lively and humorous exchange, the hosts engage in the "Hot Seat, Cool Throne" segment. They poke fun at each other's mishaps and celebrate minor victories, showcasing their camaraderie and playful competitiveness.

Notable Moments:

• PFT Commenter admits to injuring his bicep: "[09:15] Memes: Call 1-800-gambler in New York."
• Dan Katz and Hank Lockwood joke about their inability to properly use athletic tape.

This segment highlights the hosts' lighthearted approach to the challenges they face.

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6. Mount Rushmore of Things People Don't Care About (50:11 - 67:01)

The hosts compile a humorous "Mount Rushmore" ranking of topics deemed insignificant to the general audience. Categories include:

1. Fantasy Teams - "[51:11] Hank Lockwood: It's a good pick."
2. Personal Workout Pictures - "[55:35] Dan Katz: Don’t care about it all."
3. Boys on Chicks (Dating) - Discussions on trivializing personal dating experiences.
4. Political Opinions by Athletes - "[54:38] Dan Katz: When someone shares their opinion on politics. I do not care."
5. Concert Videos - Critique of lengthy and unengaging concert recordings.

Notable Quote:

• [62:26] PFT Commenter: "Physical mail. Do not care. That's a great answer."

The segment balances satire with shared opinions on what truly engages their listeners.

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7. Open Championship Preview with Shane Bacon (86:05 - 131:09)

Shane Bacon provides an in-depth preview of the upcoming Open Championship. He details the unique challenges of the Royal Port Rush course in Northern Ireland, emphasizing its tight fairways, small greens, and the impact of weather conditions on play strategies. Bacon analyzes key contenders like Tommy Fleetwood and Brooks Koepka, discussing their strengths and potential performance.

Key Points:

• Course Specifics: Tight fairways, small greens, challenging bunker placements.
• Weather Impact: Mild winds expected, but rain could complicate play.
• Player Strategies: Emphasis on iron play over driving distance.
• Contenders: Focus on players excelling in precision and approach shots.

Notable Quotes:

• [117:50] Memes: "Everyone's also firing their caddies, like, every two weeks now."
• [119:33] Memes: "Shane Lowry was great in 2019, finishing second."

Bacon underscores the importance of patience and adaptability in navigating the course's demands.

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with promotions for upcoming Barstool Camp and various sponsors, encouraging listeners to stay tuned for future content. The hosts reiterate their appreciation for guests and engage in final humorous exchanges, leaving the audience entertained and informed.

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Transcript

[Dan Katz]

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[Dan Katz]

Part of my take we have the Shanes Shane Victorino awesome interview. You also got to make sure you listen for Max's big moment with Shane Victorino. He is one of Max's heroes and well, Max did a great job with Shane Victorino. Make sure you tune in to watch that. And we also have Shane Bacon previewing the Open Championship giving you some winners. And we're going to do our Mount Rushmore of things no one cares about. We have Hot Seat, Cool Throne, we have Guys on Chicks, and we're going to talk about the swing off in the All Star Game. It's all brought to you by our friends at DraftKings. Nothing says summer like long days, clutch plays and firing off a few bets on the game. All with DraftKings sportsbook. As the season heats up, so do the bats, and DraftKings sportsbook has you covered with live betting, home run, props, odds boost, and more. Whether you're chasing dingers or jumping in mid game, there's always action to be had. Never been on baseball before. It's easy. Pick a guy to go yard, hammer some live odds mid game or just ride with your squad and hope for the best. No spreadsheets, just vibes and dingers. Here's something special for first timers. New DraftKings customers bet $5. Get $150 in bonus bets instantly. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers. Get 150 in bonus bets instantly. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings, the crown is yours.

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[Memes]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay, let's go.

[Max]

Hey, football guy.

[Dan Katz]

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[Max]

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[Dan Katz]

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[Max]

Mike T. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

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[Hank Lockwood]

Three swings, three dongs, three no doubters.

[Dan Katz]

Three no doubters.

[Hank Lockwood]

What a way to finish a baseball game.

[Dan Katz]

He's the best. Yeah. So for people who didn't tune into the All Star game, we had the first ever swing in the All Star game. It was tied after nine innings. They are, they fixed it after the disaster that happened. What was it, 20 years ago?

[Hank Lockwood]

Bud Selig stands up, calls the game off.

[Dan Katz]

Game off.

[Hank Lockwood]

Disgrace to the United States of America.

[Dan Katz]

It really was. But this time they had a solution. The swing off. Each manager got to pick three guys and each guy had three swings and most home runs win. And it was Kyle Schwerber. It was Kyle Schwerber show because he hit three home runs and three swings. Absolute monsters. He's the best. I fucking love him forever. He's the best. The only. And of course in, in base, in true baseball fashion, we have a very cool thing, a very cool moment and obviously everyone's just talking about where was Ohtani? Where is Aaron Judge? Well, guess what, they were probably on a plane because Jesse Rogers reported that that for everyone saying hey, why aren't like the best home run hitters? Kyle Schwerber is one of the best home run hitters competing in this. They literally left and now we have the debate of is that leaving your team? Is that lame? I do not care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, bad, bad leadership by Aaron Judge at the All Star game. Yeah, nobody cares about that. But it did feel like the National League manager was trying to win harder than the American League manager was.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, well, I don't think, I don't think they had anyone left.

[Hank Lockwood]

Pete Alonzo was that was the closer pick. Yeah, Alonzo, that's a no brainer.

[Dan Katz]

But he had played. So Pete Alonso I think stayed because he was going to maybe win mvp. Kyle Schwerber was the first non pitcher to win MVP without hit. Getting a hit in the game. But that's why I think Pete Alonso stayed. It was basically guys who were in the game late or were staying because they could potentially win MVP like Pete Alonso.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think Pete Alonso stayed because he thought there might be a swing off. And this is what he secretly trained his entire career without even preparing for it. He just knew that he was putting in all those hours just hitting dingers off a batting machine, pitching machine off coach, pitch, whatever the man has been, he's cared about the Home Run Derby more than any other human being on planet earth ever has cared about winning the Home Run Derby. He had an opportunity. He was a closer. Put him in third. He didn't even have to swing.

[Dan Katz]

Didn't have to swing.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's pissed off about that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But his three run homer, like up until the swing off, he probably would have been the mvp. But it was great. I loved it. And for people like, yes, obviously. Would you have liked to see Ohtani and judge in it? Sure. But I also like, if you're an all star, you have a two day break at most. They're probably going to want to get out of town.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, I can understand that. Also, Max, I would like for you to apologize for the Ranger Suarez takes.

[Zach]

Why?

[Hank Lockwood]

Because he turned down the All Star Game.

[Zach]

I don't know if that's true.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

Can we fact check that?

[Dan Katz]

Deny.

[Zach]

I'm. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna believe.

[Hank Lockwood]

We're not gonna.

[Zach]

Well, why did the.

[Dan Katz]

Why can look it up.

[Zach]

Why did every player on the Phillies get so upset about it if he turned it down?

[Hank Lockwood]

Just talk about Ranger Suarez here.

[Zach]

Can you answer me that?

[PFT Commenter]

Counting yourself as one of the players?

[Zach]

No.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, definitely.

[Hank Lockwood]

He said he'd like to take a break. I don't blame him for that.

[Dan Katz]

The Phillies are pissed. When was he. When was he asked? Was it. What point was he at?

[Zach]

That's a good question.

[Hank Lockwood]

It was a while ago.

[Dan Katz]

I just trying to help you here, Max.

[Hank Lockwood]

I'm also trying to just Google, did Ranger Suarez turn down like, why wouldn't.

[Zach]

This be like one of the first things that people are talking about? They're still talking about actually.

[Hank Lockwood]

Everything app with the website with a great search function.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Robert Suarez pitched in the game.

[Hank Lockwood]

There you go.

[Dan Katz]

So you got an R, Suarez now.

[Hank Lockwood]

I gotta say I like, I like the swing off.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, swing off.

[Hank Lockwood]

The end of game is great. I want, I want everything decided by swing offs now. Regular season baseball games. Swing off. Like I'll custody hearings. Swing off.

[Dan Katz]

Swing off. I. I obviously understand people Complaining like you. It would have been cool if Ohtani was in it. It would have been cool if judge was in it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, but I mean, let's not let that get away in the.

[Dan Katz]

And it's also, you know, it's a simple fix is you just have to declare who your swing off is before the game starts.

[Hank Lockwood]

So then you have to stick around.

[Dan Katz]

Those guys can't leave. Yeah, like, that's just something they didn't think about. And then it happened.

[Hank Lockwood]

What is that article?

[Dan Katz]

And now hopefully they'll fix it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Ranger Suarez said he declined participation All Star Game.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's interesting. What is. What does that say?

[Zach]

I don't. I don't understand why all the players were so mad. I won't get mad because I was going off of the players being mad.

[Hank Lockwood]

You had.

[Dan Katz]

If his own team.

[Zach]

If his own teammates are going to freak out about it. Why would. Why shouldn't I?

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so. So you. So you're. You're mad because I'm not mad. You were mad because other guys are mad. You're just being a good team.

[Zach]

At what point would I have thought that. That that was true? If all of his teammates went to his defense saying it was bullshit that he didn't get put in the All Star?

[Dan Katz]

Right. So again, you're just being a good teammate. Your teammates are mad, so you're going to be mad as with them.

[Zach]

Correct.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But Kyle Schwarber, he's the fucking pass. Awesome. He is the best.

[Hank Lockwood]

Also, shout out Ludacris. Ludacris doing. Welcome to Atlanta to start the All Star Game.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[Hank Lockwood]

Just put Ludacris on tv. I will watch it. I watched the performance twice after I got back to the office. We did our own Home Run Derby tonight. How are the boys feeling?

[Dan Katz]

Bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Really bad.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You're gonna hear us in a few minutes where we taped in the beginning of the day. And we were. Did our predictions and I think. I think the only thing we said, Hank, was don't get injured. And we both got injured. Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

I said I did this to my. Tore my bicep blaster doing this. I'm trying not to do that again. I'm pretty sure I did. And I wanted to go 10 for 10. I did not go 10 for 10. Not to spoil the future episode, but.

[Hank Lockwood]

I was worried that you were going to ruin your swing, your golf swing.

[PFT Commenter]

That is not out of the question.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, the bicep.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Max, how do you feel?

[Zach]

I'm.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm okay.

[Zach]

My hands hurt a little bit. My wrist Hurts a little bit, and you're a beast. My back hurts a little bit, but I'm. I'm. I'm not feeling great, but there's no injuries.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. What about you, Memes? My hands are torn apart in my bicep. I jammed my thumb on like this. Oh, yeah. Memes loves that tape. He was given the whole. Dug out that tape.

[Hank Lockwood]

Can you see your tape?

[Dan Katz]

And we do not know how to use it. We were using it all incorrectly.

[PFT Commenter]

It's an extra muscle. Yeah, someone said that to me.

[Zach]

Yeah, it was. It's just. It just replaces a muscle, which makes no sense.

[Dan Katz]

I had my thumb taped up, like, fully wrapped for a while. Then I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm probably hurting myself more. Zach, you took some cuts. You looked good.

[Shane Victorino]

I didn't get any over the wall. Did make contact. Thank you guys for letting me swing. That was awesome.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that was fun. And also, Zach, there was a moment. I'm pretty sure you were playing right field. You didn't move for, like, three hours.

[Shane Victorino]

There was. The visibility got a little dicey, and I was. I was kind of stuck. Like, I run straight to the balls when they hit the ground, but I was terrified of catching one to the face because I could not see them.

[Hank Lockwood]

There were a couple of them where you stood still. And then someone else came over, and I was saying, call them off, Zach. That's your ball.

[Shane Victorino]

They tracked it way better than I did, for sure.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Shane Victorino]

If they're going to track it better, they got it.

[Dan Katz]

Speaking of home runs, our guy, Big Dumper, wins maybe a little bit of a. People were a little upset about the ruling against. Was it Rooker who got screwed? Yeah, one inch. But I don't care because I love Big Dumper.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, no, that's great.

[Dan Katz]

And it was great for him, but, yeah, people were a little upset about that. The Home Run Derby sucks anyway.

[Hank Lockwood]

We just. We. We forget every single year. We tune in every year to the Home Run Derby, and then we're like, oh, yeah, you can't actually see the home runs land and the next swing happen at the same time. And I. I hate the time. I hate the time.

[Dan Katz]

Let's go back to 10 outs.

[Hank Lockwood]

10 outs. Make it simple.

[Dan Katz]

It's so easy.

[Hank Lockwood]

We love dingers. We're going.

[Dan Katz]

That was.

[Hank Lockwood]

Don't. Don't have me trying to, like, I. I feel dizzy trying to follow the Home Run Derby.

[Dan Katz]

It was such a. It's not broken, don't fix it situation. 10 outs, 10 outs. Just do it every time. And they Just got cute with it and like the whole whole extra outs thing.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

If you hit it, you know far, you get another extra out.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's like if Jeff DLO designed the Home Run Derby.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. We're going to go to a bonus bonus route. Yeah. But, yeah, I am happy for Cal Raleigh. He's the man.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah, it was. It was cool to see him win. Sorry for giving out James Wood to you guys. But Max, you know, he went first. Tough situation.

[Dan Katz]

Going first.

[Zach]

Yeah, no, that was.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, that was.

[Zach]

I was. I was backing him. I was telling everyone else that I was with to back them.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yep.

[Zach]

But it's okay. 22.

[Dan Katz]

20. 22 years old.

[Zach]

22 years old.

[Dan Katz]

22 future face this league, right?

[Hank Lockwood]

Many are saying yes.

[Dan Katz]

Scotty Barnes, future face of this league. All right. Only other two. I had three other stories I wanted to hit on real quick. Terry McLaren.

[Hank Lockwood]

I don't think that's a national sports story.

[Dan Katz]

I think that's national.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's pretty regional sports podcast. Is that an Eastern.

[Dan Katz]

All right, let me. You know what I'll do.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I don't understand.

[Dan Katz]

Garrett Wilson. Congrats. Meme. Garrett Wilson.

[Hank Lockwood]

Congrats.

[Dan Katz]

There's a great step into being a good organization. We have Sauce and Garrett Wilson locked up till 2030. Love that.

[Zach]

While you were saying there's a couple other stories that I want you to touch on, memes was just whispering to himself.

[Dan Katz]

I was going to hit it. It was one of the three. It eliminates distractions. Now, you don't have to be like, is he getting traded to the Steelers? Is he getting traded to the Broncos? I would hate for that to be my wide receiver.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, maybe. I guess it can be helpful to clear it up to me and our listeners, because while we were doing the stream, this news was breaking in. In the chat, who was usually, like, on point with reporting.

[Dan Katz]

Real news chat, always. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I opened it up and it just said, Terry McLaren retired.

[Hank Lockwood]

No, that's not true. He did not.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, all right, that's good. But why would they be saying that.

[Hank Lockwood]

He might have retired? Because he was doing an automotive commercial at the time. Now, listen, the way things go in the NFL, you're going to have contract negotiations, you're going to have guys that hold in, guys that hold out. Typically, you don't have guys that go to do their standard Eastern Motors commercial and then use that as the platform to talk about the contract situation. But I feel like that's the last thing that Terry's got for him. Right now he's like, I'm gonna put some pressure on him. I'm gonna talk about it at the commercial shoot. And yeah, he sounded like a guy that was. That was frustrated. Now, he did not say that he wanted to play anywhere else. He said he wants to play in D.C. i think we're going to work it out, but I feel like this is hardball. I know that. I think that we're going to work it out.

[PFT Commenter]

We talked about this recently, right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And you said it's not a problem. Guaranteed. I'm not worried he'll be returning. Right.

[Hank Lockwood]

Guaranteed.

[PFT Commenter]

So I think guaranteed do I think seems like a bit of a step down?

[Hank Lockwood]

I.

[Dan Katz]

Well, no, he just changed it to. I know. I think.

[Hank Lockwood]

I know. I think Peter King put that in his column for years.

[Dan Katz]

I know.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think now he.

[PFT Commenter]

That sounds less guaranteed.

[Dan Katz]

That is less guaranteed than guaranteed.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think. I know that. I'm willing to guarantee this.

[Zach]

I would like a. I would like a percent it like 0 to 100. 0 is like.

[Hank Lockwood]

What's higher than 100%?

[PFT Commenter]

110%.

[Hank Lockwood]

110%. It's 110 guarantee.

[Dan Katz]

That's a guarantee.

[Hank Lockwood]

I've also. I've offered Terry McLaren 50% of my golf winnings in perpetuity.

[Zach]

What do we do then?

[Hank Lockwood]

So hank owes him 40 thou or $4,000.

[Zach]

If you're this confident, then you should. You should put something up. If he doesn't.

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay, Terry's coming. Terry's coming.

[Zach]

100.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yes. 110. Don't take 10.

[Dan Katz]

I do feel like this is going to get pretty.

[Hank Lockwood]

My agent, but 120.

[Dan Katz]

He also feels like he's not happy.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's not happy. And that's the concern because, like, he. He has been the one guy. He's played on three different team names for the Washington football clubs. He's always been there. He's been great. Even with terrible quarterbacks. I feel like it's for him, for the first time in his career, he's got a great quarterback they can play with. You don't want to walk away from that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So he wants to keep playing. He wants to get paid. This is probably his last big contract.

[Dan Katz]

I think the paid is the most important part. Not the quarterback thing.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's 30 years old. He wants to be paid. He wants to play here. I 100 max. You know what it 125.

[Zach]

There we go. I just wanted 125.

[Dan Katz]

Wow.

[Hank Lockwood]

I put my credibility on the line.

[Dan Katz]

And what happens of which I have many goes and plays. Somewhere else.

[Hank Lockwood]

That would be. That would be painful. That'd be very painful.

[Dan Katz]

And. But what about your. Your guarantee 125%.

[Zach]

Your word would then mean nothing if that's.

[Dan Katz]

Oh wow, he's taking away your word. Pft.125 do we have but our word on this show where we're always right? His word is his profession. Pft.

[Hank Lockwood]

My credibility.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is also your.

[Dan Katz]

Your job. We sidebar. Because it seems like they're ganging up on you.

[Hank Lockwood]

I'm about to say something stupid.

[Dan Katz]

They're. They're ganging up on you. Pft. Just remember, you'll get a cat. Remember.

[Hank Lockwood]

Remember.

[Dan Katz]

Pft. This podcast. We are always right.

[Hank Lockwood]

We're always right.

[Dan Katz]

We never get anything wrong.

[Hank Lockwood]

I never report anything.

[Dan Katz]

We never get ahead of ourselves.

[Hank Lockwood]

No.

[Dan Katz]

So for you to do this would be maybe the end of the podcast.

[Hank Lockwood]

It is something that I feel so strongly about that I'm thinking about saying something stupid.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, why don't you text it to me?

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay, I'm gonna text it to you.

[Dan Katz]

And I'll say it. Terry McLaurin, by the way, he. So he is getting paid. What is he getting paid? His $15 million this year with a 5 million dollar signing bonus and then he's an unrestricted free agent next year. So he would like some money. He deserves some money. He's a really good football player.

[PFT Commenter]

Why wouldn't they pay him?

[Dan Katz]

That's a good question, Hank.

[Hank Lockwood]

So it seems like at this point when you have a quarterback that's on their rookie contract, this is the time to pay, guys. But we've gone out. We got Laramie, Tunsil. Have to pay him.

[Dan Katz]

Oh my God. Say it. Say it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Say it. Say it. Say it.

[Dan Katz]

Say it. Well, it doesn't count because if I say it.

[Max]

He didn't say it.

[Dan Katz]

Then he should say it. No, no, no. He should not say this. He should not say this. I'll say it, but you can't. Pft. Can't be held to it because I'm saying it.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's going to be commander. Guarantee 125 guarantee. It's going to get done.

[Dan Katz]

All right, I'll just role play as PFT for a second. I110 think that Terry McLaurin is going to be a commander. And if he's not a commander, I'm willing to give Max my El Camino.

[Hank Lockwood]

Don't say that. That's stupid. You love that car.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You're just.

[Hank Lockwood]

You're getting caught up in the moment right now.

[Dan Katz]

Stupid to me because Max Got y' all worked. I'll walk that back.

[Zach]

I'm going to make this really easy on you. I, I, I will give it back to you if you give it to me, because that seems like more of a hassle than I would really want.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's what I was thinking.

[PFT Commenter]

That feels like the El Camino died, like, this morning.

[Hank Lockwood]

No El Camino. It's humming. It is humming. All the haters and doubters are down bad right now. If they're being awful quiet.

[Zach]

I said this was going to be the summer of the El Camino. I think coming into this summer, I, I, I put my full faith in the El Camino.

[Hank Lockwood]

You called it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So, Max, I'll give you my El camino if Terry McLaurin goes somewhere else.

[Zach]

Okay. And as a. In good faith, I will give it back to you.

[Dan Katz]

No, you should. If he goes somewhere else, you should give it to an awl.

[Max]

Who.

[Hank Lockwood]

No, no, no.

[Dan Katz]

That would be really.

[Hank Lockwood]

Actually, yeah, that wasn't part of it.

[Dan Katz]

That would be kind of cool.

[Hank Lockwood]

That wasn't part of the hypothetical Broncos.

[Dan Katz]

We find a random Broncos fan and we're like, hey, you can have PFT's El Camino.

[Hank Lockwood]

PFT would never say that. What are you doing?

[Dan Katz]

It's true.

[Hank Lockwood]

He did a bad job role playing my controls.

[Dan Katz]

Either way, Terry McLaurin. My controls.

[Hank Lockwood]

Terry McLaurin will be controls. He's gonna, we're gonna work it out. It's go fine. It's not great that it got to this point where now he's doing, like, public disputes with things and saying that they haven't talked to him, they haven't given. Made him an offer recently. It, it just has to work out because if it doesn't.

[Dan Katz]

Where is he?

[Hank Lockwood]

We're done.

[Dan Katz]

Where is he?

[Hank Lockwood]

Being, like, rumored to go nowhere. So he's got one year left.

[Dan Katz]

Jets.

[Hank Lockwood]

I saw one hypothetical trade to the Jets. You got, you got Dove Climan.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, well, I would just like fans of other teams in the NFL maybe tweet @ us and, and let us know if you would want a El Camino. If.

[Hank Lockwood]

It'S too big, too much.

[Dan Katz]

No, I just want to see. It's like a little poll.

[Zach]

First thing I see.

[Dan Katz]

Terry McLaren. Contestant. Would you like it?

[Zach]

Patriot trade Buzz.

[Dan Katz]

Whoa.

[Memes]

Would you like the.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And Terry McLaren. That'd be awesome.

[Zach]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Katz]

That might kill you. If Hank was riding around in your El Camino, I would, I would, like.

[PFT Commenter]

Get a little paint job. Put Terry's number on it.

[Hank Lockwood]

I told you it was stupid. As. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

There's a role play. This is, again, still hypothetical role play.

[PFT Commenter]

The El McLaren.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's coming back.

[Zach]

Of the four articles I'm seeing, two of them are Patriots.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God.

[Hank Lockwood]

Wow, that's a lot of articles.

[Dan Katz]

Of.

[Hank Lockwood]

Of the four. Of the four heavy sports, you can.

[Zach]

Have Van and Nesn. Nesn. Got it.

[Dan Katz]

What is. What's the link to surprising Trade commanders? Terror link. Click that one. The Sports Illustrated one.

[Hank Lockwood]

This was probably AI.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

They do AI articles. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just clicks and clicks and clicks.

[Dan Katz]

Tennessee Titans.

[Hank Lockwood]

The Tennessee Titans.

[Dan Katz]

That would be a. A full on cash grab.

[Hank Lockwood]

I would not like that.

[Dan Katz]

I don't.

[Hank Lockwood]

I. Terry is a commander. He's a commander. He's a Redskin football team and commander for life.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

When he goes to the hall of Fame, which one do you think he goes in as? Tennessee Titan. I think maybe he goes in as a football team.

[Dan Katz]

He's. He's going to be. He's going to. He's going to stay in this.

[Hank Lockwood]

We're going to work it out. Cooler heads are going to prevail.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

I trust Adam Peters. I trust Terry McLaurin. Everything's going to be fine. Stop saying it's not going to be fine.

[Dan Katz]

It's going to be. I'm. I'm on your side.

[PFT Commenter]

Rookie deal. Makes sense to pay someone like him.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, it does.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So then in theory, if he got traded to the Patriots, like they would pay for him because they got a.

[Dan Katz]

Or the Titans quarterback in a rookie deal.

[Hank Lockwood]

We're not talking. We're not entertaining these florio creations that you're pulling out, Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Pft. I want it on the record. I'm on your side. I think he's gonna be.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's gonna be commander. Terry's a one uniform. Well, three. He's a three uniform. One city guy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. He's gonna be a commander.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's the ultimate legacy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Three different. Three different uniforms. What are you gonna say, Max?

[Zach]

No, I just. I'm rooting for you.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you're.

[Hank Lockwood]

Who?

[Dan Katz]

No, you're not. You're.

[PFT Commenter]

Wait, who are you rooting for?

[Zach]

I guess if I root for you, then I would be rooting against Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Hank Lockwood]

And you hate doing that.

[Zach]

That is true. I guess if I had to root for one of you.

[Dan Katz]

What about Memes? He said there was a rumor. True.

[Zach]

So you would. Wait, would you be upset. Hey, Memes. Would you be upset if Terry McLaren.

[PFT Commenter]

I guess I make sense you'd root for like, Jane Daniels. You're kind of on the. On the record. Top five QBs probably need someone like Terry McLaurin.

[Zach]

That's actually definitely helps. No, he actually. No. You know what? Jane Daniels doesn't even need Terry McLaurin. Still a top five. You could put Jane Daniels out with any receiving core in the NFL. Top five quarterback.

[Hank Lockwood]

We got fast.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Who Kittle said, by the way, looked like he was almost in too good a shape.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did say that fast. It's exactly what he said right before.

[Hank Lockwood]

He tried to tackle Hank. And Hank hid behind me like the cowardly little mouse he is.

[PFT Commenter]

George Kittle running at you is one of the scariest sights, like, of all time.

[Dan Katz]

No, Kittle and he is a monster. There are two guys in our life, and we've. We've gotten to know a bunch of these guys, and very lucky. The two guys that. I will always say that, like, when you are around them, whether it be drinking or just being around them, and you're worried about maybe a little bit of wrestling and horseplay that will get you very, very injured, is. It's George Kittle and Kyle Long, both those guys. I'm just like. I don't. I'm always just kind of ready to be tackled and have, like, all my insides, like, ripped up.

[Hank Lockwood]

I would say Rabes, too.

[Dan Katz]

We have Rabel. Oh, I actually. So I, like, broke my. My pinky, like, four months ago. No, it was probably, like, six months ago. Never got it really fixed because you can't really do anything. And it would hurt every time I'd shake someone's hand. For about two months in the last four months, I've been totally fine. Hurt again. Mike Vrabel. Handshake.

[Hank Lockwood]

Vral. Gotcha.

[Dan Katz]

That was it. Yeah. Just a good old variable handshake will get you.

[Hank Lockwood]

He does the combo of the handshake and the pad on the back.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

You can be wearing all the copper fit bracelets you want. You're. You're getting knocked off balance.

[Dan Katz]

All right. The last story I had was Lebron's getting a little desperate, don't you guys think? Did you guys see the latest? Kobe Altman, the president of the Cleveland Cavaliers, got a contract extension, and LeBron James quote, tweeted it, and he said, here was. Here's what he said. Yes, sir. Congratulations to my brother, B. Weems. Super proud of you, man. Was this the praying?

[Hank Lockwood]

No praise.

[Dan Katz]

No praise. Praise emoji, praise emoji, praise emoji, praise emoji, Praise emoji, Praise emoji, praise emoji, Praying hands heart.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's a lot. That's a lot of emojis.

[Dan Katz]

He wants to be a cab so bad. Yeah, so bad.

[Hank Lockwood]

We talk about it later. But.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, but he, but this, this one is recently.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's. He's not going to be a Laker, I don't think.

[Dan Katz]

No. All right, well, let's get to the later. Let's get to everything else. We got a great show. We got. We got Shane Victorino. Awesome interview. Make sure you tune in to the part where Max has a great question for him.

[Hank Lockwood]

Never meet your heroes.

[Dan Katz]

Never meet your heroes. Shane Bacon talking Open championship, Mount Rushmore. And remember Friday takeies. Okay, before we get to Hot Seat, Cool Throne, Game time. There's nothing like getting to a baseball game, especially last minute. Lucky for me, I always use Game Time, the official ticketing partner of Barstool Sports. Game Time makes getting tickets faster and easier. Prices on the app actually go down the closer it gets to showtime. They even get exclusive zone deals. You let them choose your seats with the within a given set of zones and you get huge savings in return. You can put those savings back in your pocket and spend them at the ballpark on a hot dog, a new hat, or some good old fashioned Cracker Jack. If you're in Chicago, you can get 10% off zone deals for the Cubs at home on Sunday, July 20th versus the Red Sox. Just look for zones 29 through 32 on the GameTime app. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account use code PMT for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account redeem code PMT for $20.00 off. Download the Game Time app today. What time is it? Game time. Okay, Henry. Hot Seat, Cool Throne.

[PFT Commenter]

My hot seat is Uno in Vegas.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

It was first reported on this show by one PFT commenter that they were going to be able to. You're going to play Uno in Vegas for money as a. As a casino game?

[Hank Lockwood]

Is that first I read. I read a news article.

[PFT Commenter]

I first read it. I heard it first on this program.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so as. As you know, first reported by pft.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. UNO yesterday put out a statement. A rumor has come to our attention that there will be Uno tables on the casino floors in Las Vegas. Sounds wild, huh? We hate to be the Bears of bad news, but the casino floor isn't ready for us yet. We've told that while they do have tight security, it's not robust enough for UNO at this time. This isn't a reverse card. While we get this sorted out and Then they just promoted their UNO social club. So there's, like. There's, like, a. UNO social club that they're doing in. In New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and Austin, but not Vegas.

[Hank Lockwood]

So it sounds like the casino put out the statement too soon. Yeah, the casino that had planned this entire room of UNO, they didn't have final agreement with UNO.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, they didn't clear it with UNO first. So PFT's right.

[Hank Lockwood]

So what's to stop them from just making a card game that's identical to UNO, but not called uno?

[Dan Katz]

Nothing, I guess.

[Hank Lockwood]

Copyright, maybe. Copyright.

[Dan Katz]

Maybe copyright. Duo.

[Hank Lockwood]

Duo.

[PFT Commenter]

It also would take a long time. Yeah, Games are built up.

[Dan Katz]

That's what they said.

[PFT Commenter]

No, but, like, casino games are. Yeah, like Vegas would want that either.

[Dan Katz]

No, you. Especially if you can't play for money, you're just going and playing uno. That's, like, the last thing you want to do. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Who do UNO here? That's what I would call it.

[Dan Katz]

All right, good. Hot seat. Thanks. You just attacked pft, but that was.

[Hank Lockwood]

Just a rip, but that's fine.

[Dan Katz]

Nice hat, by the way.

[Hank Lockwood]

It was. It was a report that was widely reported. And the casino. I blame the casino. Their PR department. Got to get these deals done before you tweet them out.

[Dan Katz]

Why are you wearing that hat?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

It's a fish. It's a fish.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a fish.

[Hank Lockwood]

What kind of is that?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, great. Promo for the fishing contest coming out July 21st.

[PFT Commenter]

Dolphin fish. This is a dolphin fish?

[Hank Lockwood]

Might be.

[Dan Katz]

I don't know what type of fish it is. What? Where'd you buy the hat?

[PFT Commenter]

I got it. I got it when I was fishing a couple weeks ago.

[Dan Katz]

And you don't know what fish it is?

[PFT Commenter]

It's.

[Dan Katz]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

A guy was literally handing him out to me and my buddies on the boat.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, it might be a mahi mahi. Zach found it. That's a mahi mahi?

[Hank Lockwood]

Sure is.

[PFT Commenter]

Dolphin fish.

[Hank Lockwood]

Dolphin.

[Max]

That's dolphin.

[Hank Lockwood]

Same thing.

[Dan Katz]

Max found it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Good job, Zach.

[Dan Katz]

Good job, Zach.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, cool throws. The Red Sox, people got mad at me for not bringing this up on Monday.

[Hank Lockwood]

Trump socks.

[Dan Katz]

What are they, 10 and.

[Hank Lockwood]

Oh, they're undefeated since meeting with President Trump.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah, they won 10 straight games going the All Star break, coming to Chicago this weekend. Excited to see him.

[Dan Katz]

What's that?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm running. I'm taking a deep breath. I took a deep breath, and I was doing the running motion. I am. The bandwagon is running in front of me. And I'm, I'm.

[Dan Katz]

You're about to hop on pretty close.

[PFT Commenter]

To hopping on pretty close. We'll see how this weekend goes.

[Hank Lockwood]

Because like a month ago you were. You had jumped off the bandwagon.

[PFT Commenter]

I know, but then they go on a 10 game winning streak. They traded Rafael like that. That seemed to be a trade that didn't make sense at the time. Clearly it's working. They're coming together as a team. You love to see that. They have some crazy walk off wins coming to Chicago. I'm going to see him in person, up close and personal. It might be time.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

Get it started.

[Max]

Playing well.

[Dan Katz]

I think they have a tough remaining schedule. I saw there was a. I don't know if I have it. I just saw the Cubs have the easiest schedule remaining, which made me feel good. But they still need to get a pitcher. We could have some. There's some fun. Fun. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

People are saying that about that. I mean, and that's where it's like, you know, they're saying that they're not gonna make any moves to the deadline and just kind of sputter out. But I'm. I'm getting close to believing and hopping right on the bandwagon.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so remaining toughest remaining schedules. The Red Sox have the third toughest. Scroll down. The Cubs have the 28th easiest. Or the third to last. Or the third easiest. Where are the Phillies and Mets? Phillies are right in the middle. Mets are, ooh, seven toughest. Some good baseball coming down the stretch, boys. Might be a collision course in for the Mets, Phillies, Cubs.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be fun.

[Hank Lockwood]

That'd be great.

[Zach]

This could be a very interesting, very contentious.

[Dan Katz]

Are the pods. Padres are right there. The NL is pretty strong. Like the NL has the Mets, the Phillies, the Cubs, the Brewers, the Cardinals are not out of it. And then in the west, the Dodgers, Giants and Padres. I mean, Dodgers are better, but like there's a lot of good teams in the nl, so it's going to get. It's going to get spicy.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Good job, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

Thanks.

[Hank Lockwood]

My hot seat is Max. Oh, I got Max on the hot seat.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Hank Lockwood]

Because, well, why do you have him on the hot seat?

[Dan Katz]

I was a pg.

[Hank Lockwood]

Pg.

[Dan Katz]

Pg. Pg.

[PFT Commenter]

Pg actually reported PG to me.

[Dan Katz]

Pg. Pg.

[Hank Lockwood]

Pg. Max.

[Zach]

Yeah, no, he's probably gonna go down.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, what happened to pg, pg? Paul George.

[Zach]

Paul George. Podcast P. Podcast P Preseason. P. Preseason P has injured himself again in the preseason.

[Dan Katz]

He injured himself.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's pcl.

[Zach]

Some hurt his knee in a workout and he.

[Dan Katz]

He's.

[Zach]

He's probably going to go down as the biggest bust in. In Philly history.

[Hank Lockwood]

But the good news is him and Andrew Biden. Wait, wait. You think he's going to go down the biggest bust.

[Dan Katz]

Ben Simmons.

[Zach]

Ben Simmons was an All Star.

[Hank Lockwood]

Markel Fultz.

[Dan Katz]

Markel Fultz was not an All Star.

[Zach]

Not an All Star. He had a triple double his rookie year. I remember that. That was cool.

[Hank Lockwood]

James Harden.

[Zach]

James Harden had like 50 points in an elimination game.

[Dan Katz]

Who's the guy you clapped for?

[PFT Commenter]

Did they.

[Zach]

They won that game.

[Dan Katz]

Who's the guy you clapped for?

[Hank Lockwood]

It's Trey Turner.

[Dan Katz]

Trey Turner? Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's out of bus.

[Zach]

I also don't think that was an elimination game. I think that was maybe game one, but in that playoff series.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it fell apart at the end.

[Dan Katz]

So it was seven.

[Hank Lockwood]

We can.

[Dan Katz]

We know that in the running right now.

[Hank Lockwood]

I mean, can you do a Mount Rushmore of the biggest bust in Philadelphia history?

[Zach]

Andrew Bynum is 1. 1.

[Dan Katz]

Did he win a championship with the Lakers? I believe. Yeah, definitely.

[Zach]

And then he. The Sixers traded a ton to get him. I don't think he played a single game. I think he got. I think he got hurt and then never. Never played a game.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, playoff P. Playoff.

[Zach]

Markel fault. Yeah. Markel folds. But I feel like rookie now. Markel Fultz is definitely up there.

[Dan Katz]

What's his name? Aguilar.

[Zach]

Nelson Aguilar. But that was a late. That was only because of Justin Jefferson.

[Hank Lockwood]

Jefferson.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. No, that's Jalen Rager or Jalen Rager.

[Zach]

Jalen Rager.

[Dan Katz]

Sorry, sorry.

[Zach]

Jalen Rager definitely up there.

[Dan Katz]

Carson Wentz.

[Zach]

No, Carson Wentz.

[Hank Lockwood]

Also. Great, because when you traded. No, when you traded him, you got so much time.

[Zach]

Carson Wentz has a Super Bowl.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. You said won a Super Bowl. Carson once Rents won a super.

[Zach]

He was a part of a Super bowl winning team.

[Dan Katz]

He was part of a Super bowl roster. Yeah, that's true. That is a fact.

[Zach]

And he was. Would have been MVP if he didn't get hurt.

[Hank Lockwood]

When you get rid of Paul George, your team does better, Right? We know that from recent history.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. What are you going to do? What are the Sixers going to do? It's. It's so crazy that the entire east has set up so perfectly for the Sixers to maybe be good and then they have this. Yeah.

[Zach]

I mean, apparently, apparently there's like, no, like there. All the Sixers heads are doing the, you know, same thing. He'll be ready by. He'll be ready by training camp. There's no ligament data just. Was just a cleanup thing. And prep.

[Dan Katz]

How do you get hurt?

[Zach]

It just says in a workout, ah.

[Dan Katz]

Why you never work out.

[Zach]

Yeah, fair.

[Dan Katz]

That's why you never work out.

[Zach]

Yeah. No. Yeah. Bad. Really bad.

[Hank Lockwood]

Bad vibes going into the. I mean, the east is wide open right now.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Vijay Edgecombe had one. He played one game, had 28 points. We haven't seen him since. He just has the Sixers. There's something. There's something in that room. There's something.

[Dan Katz]

You see the dunk that.

[Hank Lockwood]

The elephant.

[Dan Katz]

Noah Essengay, he got. He got dunked on. And there was. In the summer league, Bulls first round pick. It was maybe the worst graphic, like, worst picture you could ever see.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

The guy, he's like, screaming for his life as he gets yammed on.

[Hank Lockwood]

The guy went full tomahawk.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

The ball was beyond horizontal. It was crazy.

[Dan Katz]

Good. Good search. He just spelled it. E, S, E, N, G, A. Yeah, it's good.

[Zach]

It got me to where I needed to be.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it got you. Look at that picture. That's a tough picture. Listen, that's a tough visual. He basically looks like he's being assaulted.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, that's bad. It's bad yam.

[Dan Katz]

Like, if he had a whistle, he would blow it there.

[Hank Lockwood]

It was a bad yam.

[PFT Commenter]

Or he's just having the nut of a lifetime.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Oh, good summer league talk.

[Hank Lockwood]

I do love summer league. Oh, I had a question for you guys.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

We need to establish this as a podcast. The more and more we get into it, the more it feels like LeBron James might not be a Laker next.

[Dan Katz]

I would say he's not.

[Hank Lockwood]

Right. Playing a lot of golf now. Play golf a lot of golf. If he does go to the Cavs and the Cavs win, and in an east that is beyond depleted this year, we need to just already say this. That doesn't count.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Like, you got the Pacers. They're out of it. The Bucks are probably out of it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I kind of want him to go back to Cleveland. I. I can rant. It'll be so fun to ramp it back up.

[Dan Katz]

Do you know what I'm wishing for? But it's Cleveland.

[PFT Commenter]

Would be so dumb for them to trade for LeBron.

[Dan Katz]

The thing I'm rooting for. I saw a rumor that he's trying to maybe go to the Mavs to play with KD and AD or Kyrie and AD Imagine if Nico traded Cooper flag for LeBron.

[Hank Lockwood]

That would be.

[Dan Katz]

That would be the funniest Thing ever.

[Hank Lockwood]

It'd be very funny.

[Dan Katz]

I don't wish that for math sense, but that would be the funniest thing ever.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, I just want to establish that the east is down. Coward move if he goes to the Cavs. Coward move if he wins a title with the Cavs.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Ahead of time.

[Dan Katz]

Agreed. 100 agree.

[Hank Lockwood]

My cool throne is Teddy Bridgewater being a good guy. So Teddy Bridgewater got suspended. He's a high school football coach in Miami. I think it's Northwestern. Northwestern High School in Miami. Everybody loves Teddy Bridgewater. Everyone that you've ever talked to that's been around him loves the guy. He has been suspended from his job as head coach because he paid for Uber rides, meals, recovery services for his players last year. He asked fans to donate to help cover those expenses this year. And then he self reported those payments to Miami of Northwestern. So apparently he paid out of pocket $14,000 for training camp. He bought Pride sets, $9,000 pregame meals, 2,000 a week. He paid for recovery for his players to the tune of a thousand dollars a week. He bought Ubers at 700 a week. And he bought the. The paint that goes on the field for $300 a week.

[Dan Katz]

Good guy.

[Hank Lockwood]

Good guy. And now what? Why is this against the rules for a coach to do that?

[Dan Katz]

I don't know, but it is one of the most absurd controversies. I don't even want to call it a controversy because I think everyone has Teddy Bridgewater side, like, why can't someone try to better their community? Why is he. And Teddy Bridgewater even said, I'm not an employee, so they can't suspend me.

[Hank Lockwood]

He volunteered.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So this is all. All through, like, the goodness of his heart that he did this. But I think now, like, throughout the years, we've been complaining to the ncaa. You got to pay the players.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[Hank Lockwood]

Take it. Take it easy on the players. We might have to just switch up to high school football now.

[Dan Katz]

You got to pay the players.

[Hank Lockwood]

Got to pay the players.

[Dan Katz]

Got to pay the players.

[Hank Lockwood]

Pay these guys.

[Dan Katz]

I like that.

[Hank Lockwood]

They're professional. They're doing Netflix documentaries. They're. They're getting thousands of views on Instagram on their highlight reels. Pay the players.

[Dan Katz]

Pay the players.

[Hank Lockwood]

Pay the high school players. Teddy Bridgewater. Good guy, though.

[Dan Katz]

The AU players.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. Pay. Listen, pay babies. T ball babies should get paid.

[Dan Katz]

Absolutely. Okay. My hot seat is Conor McGregor.

[Hank Lockwood]

What would happen?

[Dan Katz]

He has his penis all over the Internet because he sent a unsolicited dick pic to Azalea Banks. Couple of them. Couple of Them, which, by the way, I only saw the blurred out version until Jerry O' Connell accidentally sent me and PFT a full Conor McGregor nude last night out of nowhere.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yep.

[Dan Katz]

And just said, sorry, wrong text. I don't think it was wrong. I think he was trying to get us. He was trying to get us with Conor McGregor's penis. Herbert Azalea Banks.

[Hank Lockwood]

What is she known for this stuff like this?

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so he. He really kicked the hornets nest here.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. I think that Azealia Banks would be the last person on planet earth that you should send a dick picture to.

[Dan Katz]

And Conor McGregor was like, fuck it, I'm Conor McGregor. Maybe he was trying to get his dick out.

[Hank Lockwood]

He might be.

[Dan Katz]

That was like. Because you can't leak it yourself. So he was just doing this on purpose to be like, I want to just let everyone know that there's my penis.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, that's not a bad, bad thought. Because if you send Azealia Banks, as far as I can tell, she just lives to stir shit up online now.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's what she does.

[Dan Katz]

And Conor McGregor said it unsolicited.

[Hank Lockwood]

Unsolicited. So he might have just been expecting for this to happen.

[Dan Katz]

Conor McGregor. I'm starting to think he might not be a good guy.

[Hank Lockwood]

Maybe not.

[Dan Katz]

So a lot of. A lot of stuff going on. He had a weight on one of his pictures. Wait, on his penis Training? Yeah, he's doing some training.

[Hank Lockwood]

Does that work?

[PFT Commenter]

Was it a weight or was it. I thought it was.

[Hank Lockwood]

Looked like he was doing some curls, if, you know I'm saying.

[Dan Katz]

What do you got?

[PFT Commenter]

I thought it was like a circumcision thing.

[Dan Katz]

Huh.

[Hank Lockwood]

Foreskin.

[PFT Commenter]

Like it, like pulled it back?

[Dan Katz]

Oh, I don't know.

[Hank Lockwood]

Wait, so he's got. He's got like a piece of equipment that he uses on his hog.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what cock ring like? Yeah, it looked like it like pushed. Pulled everything back. Like kind of like a hair tie.

[Dan Katz]

For your. It's hard to find the dick pic. I was trying to find it and then Jerry helped.

[Zach]

I can't find.

[PFT Commenter]

I saw.

[Dan Katz]

Just text Jerry. He'll send it to you.

[Hank Lockwood]

Is that a common thing?

[PFT Commenter]

Like, I don't know. I'm not. I don't.

[Hank Lockwood]

I. Uncircumcised guys, they. They have a special ring they put on for sending dick pics.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm circumcised, so I really don't know. But that's our first glance. That's what it looked like. I was confused at the difference in the two pictures, but the second One you could see.

[Hank Lockwood]

Also. Kale sonnen. He jail son. And yeah, he stopped. I've heard it pronounced both ways.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

Which way have you heard, Hank?

[Dan Katz]

I've heard chael.

[PFT Commenter]

Chael. Well, I'm a phonetic guy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. So that H has to do something. Yeah. All right, so have a no show job, ace or H out there.

[Hank Lockwood]

So he hopped online yesterday.

[PFT Commenter]

That probably means it's kale.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, probably. But I'm saying, like, I don't. I respect the H. Yeah, me too.

[Hank Lockwood]

So he said yesterday, I can't stop staring at Conor McGregor's dick. I can't stop. I've stared at this dick for the last two hours.

[Dan Katz]

Wow. He could be up. He could be up for a take. He coming Friday.

[Hank Lockwood]

He had a busy day.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he did. All right. My cool throne is Zach. It is the summer of Zach Zach. Maybe when we do guys on chicks, he'll give us an update whether he's going on a date or not. But Zach, I had a friend of ours hit me up and was like, hey, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, ever heard of him? Would like to send something to the office. And I said, well, I know that we have one massive bucks fans fan here at Barstool Sports, and his name is Zach. Can't think of another. Look at this. They sent you a box. You want to open it on here, bring it back to the.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, is it a weight at the bottom of it?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, there's a weight at the bottom.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

We're back to Conor McGregor's penis.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't see that part.

[Dan Katz]

Zach, go. Go back in there and open it up. Let's see what's in there. Cool throwing, Zach. Yeah, There's a weight. He was doing weightlifting I did not see. I think it's Kegels. Too long.

[PFT Commenter]

But it.

[Dan Katz]

I tried to do a kegel once.

[Hank Lockwood]

You just. You just squeeze.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And I was just like, not.

[Hank Lockwood]

I don't think there's weights involved, though.

[Dan Katz]

It was one of those things that, like, what's more embarrassing, doing Kegels or coming too fast?

[Hank Lockwood]

Well, it's like if you do. If you do Kegels, maybe you'll. You'll increase your time from 30 seconds to 45.

[Dan Katz]

Right. And so I made the executive decision right away. It's like the more embarrassing thing here is having people be like, hey, you do Kegels?

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Rather just stay the status quo. All right, Zach, what is in the box? What's in the box? What's in the box?

[Shane Victorino]

Oh, we got 50 seasons on the.

[Dan Katz]

Front okay, so this is, I. I believe, new uniform. We got a letter. Okay.

[Shane Victorino]

We want to include you a special preview of the newest piece of Buccaneers history. Inside this box is an early look at the modern nod to the original 1976 jersey that helped define the start of the Buccaneers football. This reimagined piece of our history is more than just a throwback. It is a celebration of where we've been and how we are, how far we have come. We're excited to share it with you ahead of the official reveal.

[Dan Katz]

Outside of.

[Shane Victorino]

Out of respect for the full unveiling, we kindly ask you hold off on sharing or posting anything from this package until 10:30 Eastern on Tuesday, July 15th.

[Dan Katz]

You're good? Oh, we're good. Yeah.

[Shane Victorino]

Thanks for being a part of this moment with us. And here's to the next 50 seasons of Buccaneers football. Sincerely, your friends in Buccaneers.

[Dan Katz]

Wow.

[Hank Lockwood]

Love that I could keep this.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. See it?

[Zach]

Show the jersey.

[Dan Katz]

Show it to us. It looks so sick. Oh, wow. It's so sick. Oh, wow.

[Shane Victorino]

Oh, come on.

[Dan Katz]

Come on. That thing is awesome. That's he.

[Shane Victorino]

Oh, there's two of them.

[Dan Katz]

There's another one if somebody wants a jersey. I think that one was for Steven. I'll take it. I think I gave. I. I asked.

[Shane Victorino]

We got to get this to Stephen.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I'll give it to Steven. I'll give it to.

[Shane Victorino]

So sick.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Shane Victorino]

Oh, listen, I know you guys were ranking jerseys the other day. I mean, this has to get. We got to go up the ladder.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's high.

[Hank Lockwood]

Come on. That's high.

[Dan Katz]

Come on. Is that your catchphrase?

[Shane Victorino]

It just felt right when I pulled him out.

[Hank Lockwood]

I like the way you say it.

[Shane Victorino]

I appreciate you guys for this jersey. And thank you to Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And thank you, Big Cat. And thank you.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Shane Victorino]

And Max. And no memes.

[Dan Katz]

And thank you, Sarah Walsh, our good friend. Shout out to Sarah Walsh for you. Yes, Big Sarah. Yeah. This is sick. I love it. Come on, come on. All right, put it on. Put it on and do your hot seat. Cool throne. It's the Baker jersey. Oh, those are so clean. Those are auto bets. We gotta bet them when they. When they wear those. No, I'm gonna give the other one to Jay. We got to give the other one to Che. He'll be so mad if he doesn't. Oh. Oh, crispy. Those are crispy. Oh. Oh, come on.

[Shane Victorino]

Yeah. These are sick.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You look great.

[Memes]

Go Bucks.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Take off the tag. You look like a poser. There you go. All right, Zach, your Hot seat. Cool throne.

[Shane Victorino]

Yes, sir.

[Dan Katz]

I got one for you.

[Shane Victorino]

So, hot seat. You guys are competing in a home run derby today. I did enjoy the last home run derby and Max went 113 for 190. So I would like to. Max is my hot seat today because I would like to see Max go yard again.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. All right. Okay. That's going to be. So obviously the start of the show. We'll probably talk about it, but do we want to do predictions that will look stupid afterwards? Team Max versus Team Hank.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think. I think Hank drafted a great team. There was no draft picks. Hank.

[Zach]

Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Hank.

[Zach]

I. I'm Hank's team. Looks pretty good.

[Dan Katz]

I. Pretty diesel. I.

[PFT Commenter]

Last year, I think I went nine for 10 three or four times. I want. I just won 10 for 10 once.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

That's my personal goal.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, once you find it. Once you find it, you're. You're lethal.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think you guys, last year I.

[PFT Commenter]

Also tore my bicep and was on DL for, like, three weeks. That cannot happen.

[Dan Katz]

I forgot.

[Hank Lockwood]

You can't happen this year.

[Dan Katz]

How did you tear your bicep?

[PFT Commenter]

From taking a bunch of swings. I, I. It hurt really bad, like, halfway through, but I found it and I just. I was. I got really competitive and didn't care about the injury. Huge mistake.

[Dan Katz]

So you're caring about injuries?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, Fair.

[Zach]

I also feel like tearing your bicep.

[Hank Lockwood]

From swinging is, like, kind of soft.

[Zach]

Soft.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, very soft.

[Zach]

Like, people take that many swings.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, we also. There also may have been, like, a workout suit involved that might have, like, up my bicep beforehand, but that's all right.

[Dan Katz]

All right. You're cool to run.

[Shane Victorino]

You did hit roughly 85 home runs last year, Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Roughly or exactly?

[Shane Victorino]

I think it's. I'm exact. I skipped all the way to the end of the video to get the graphic. I, I may be like, one homer off.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, that sounds still.

[Shane Victorino]

Still strong performance, though.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right.

[Max]

I do have a quick.

[Shane Victorino]

Cool throne. Are you guys familiar with Los Polos tv?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, Hank.

[Shane Victorino]

That's sick. So Los Polos is a. Is a streamer YouTube video back in it. So he is what you would call anybody familiar with NBA 2K.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Shane Victorino]

Los Polos would be Mount Rush all time NBA 2K player online.

[PFT Commenter]

Great Fortnite player, too.

[Shane Victorino]

Fantastic at Fortnite as well. Okay, so he is a cool throne today because Los Polos on record, big Drake fan. Historically massive Drake fan. And this last weekend at the wireless festival in London, he was not only shouted out on stage, but he was Also, main feed, Instagram posted. I loved seeing this for him. I knew it was a huge moment. And as someone who grew up watching LOS post tv, I love this for him.

[Hank Lockwood]

Good for him.

[Dan Katz]

Cool. Okay. Shout out Los Polos. I love this because when Zach does these and I have no idea what they are, the usually, like, the account.

[Hank Lockwood]

Will Joey Master will be like, thanks.

[Dan Katz]

For the shout out, pardon my take. It is Joey.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's just Joey.

[Dan Katz]

They'll be like, thanks for the shout out, pardon my take. And I'll look at the person and they have like 10 million followers. Like, wow, that was actually good. Yeah. Work, Zach.

[Hank Lockwood]

So. So Drake's his boy now.

[Shane Victorino]

They look pretty broed up in the photo.

[Dan Katz]

What? They do look broed up.

[PFT Commenter]

And we talked about, like, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard. It's kind of like the Rizzler. And then Los Polos would be the next. Next iteration. And then, like, Los Polos, his dad would be Charizard.

[Hank Lockwood]

The adult version of the Rizzler. Yeah, got it.

[Dan Katz]

Aj. Big justice. You mean.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the Rizzler.

[Dan Katz]

No, but the big. The adult version of the Rizzlers. Big justice. No. What are you talking about? What?

[Shane Victorino]

It's wad.

[Zach]

So Los Pollos TV's dad is also, like, a guy?

[Shane Victorino]

Yeah, they do.

[Memes]

They stream together.

[Hank Lockwood]

Those are the same guy.

[Dan Katz]

The exact same guy.

[PFT Commenter]

His dad has some fucking hilarious, hilarious clips.

[Shane Victorino]

Wad is the man.

[Dan Katz]

So it's Jay Portnoy and Mr. Portnoy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Zach]

It's gonna be crazy when Zach's a bigger streamer than all these guys.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, crazy.

[Max]

It's gonna be crazy.

[Shane Victorino]

Not a chance. Los Pose is gonna hall of fame all time stamp. Oh, yeah, let's post the guy.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, how long you been watching Los Polos?

[Shane Victorino]

Many and many a year.

[Hank Lockwood]

What's your favorite moment from los polos?

[Shane Victorino]

Anything 2k related? Also, when it's a running thing, he reads threats from the chat, and they're always hilarious.

[Dan Katz]

He reads threats?

[Shane Victorino]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, wait, so he was just nasty at 2k?

[Shane Victorino]

Yeah, he's great at the game. And also, like, he just. It builds a sense of, like, you're playing a game. You're also watching. Los played a game. It's like a. Yeah. Almost like you're hanging out.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I love that. Love that. Okay, good. Hot seat, cool throne. Everyone, let's do our Mount Rushmore. It's brought to you by our friends at Truly. Truly Unruly is a high Al card. Sell seltzer that drinks light but parties hard. Truly Unruly is a hard seltzer that breaks all the rules with 8% ABV. It hits hard, but still tastes amazing. Comes in four fresh flavors. Tropical Twist, Berry Blast, Citrus Crush, Strawberry Smash, the truly hard seltzer tastes you love. The high elk unruliness you're looking for. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take, get unruly with Truly today. Truly Hard Seltzer taste you love. High elk unruliness. We're getting unruly all summer. Strawberry Smash, my personal favorite. 8% ABV, 100% delicious. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. We saw some people tweeting us some unruly over the weekend. Let's get it going. Let's get Unruly this summer with Truly. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take, get unruly. Okay, Mount Rushmore time standings. What are the standings? I forget. And then give it to us.

[PFT Commenter]

13, 12, 11.

[Dan Katz]

13, 12, 11. Oh, shit. I just saw memes. Sent us Conor McGregor's cock.

[PFT Commenter]

13, 12, 11. Okay, 13, max and memes. 12 p. 15, Hank. 11, Big Cat.

[Hank Lockwood]

Is anyone's game.

[Dan Katz]

Our first win. All right, today we're doing the Mount Rushmore of things people don't care about. Is that correctly phrased? Stuff.

[Hank Lockwood]

Stuff no one cares about.

[Dan Katz]

Stuff no one cares about. Okay, who is up first? Is it us?

[Hank Lockwood]

That'd be Big Cat and Zach.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, then me and Max are second.

[Zach]

And then it's going counterclock or.

[Dan Katz]

Well, no, we're all. We're all screwed up. Can't do that. We're all screwed up on this. By the way, I just want to say a caveat before. I think it's very cool to care about things. This is not an indictment on caring. Caring is cool. Everyone has things they love and care about. But this is just stuff people don't care about. Okay, the first pick, we will take your fantasy team. Don't care about your fantasy team.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's a good pick.

[Dan Katz]

I don't know how the phrasing. So is it going to say your fantasy team?

[Zach]

I think all of it is going to be like your.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Zach]

I think.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay. Or is it someone else or.

[PFT Commenter]

Fantasy team, I guess. Yeah.

[Zach]

I think it has to be your.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think it's your fantasy.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think it's your.

[Dan Katz]

I think your has to be.

[Zach]

I think we can just do that for all. For most of them.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. What are you thinking? Did you guys have that on your list?

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, we did.

[Zach]

Yeah, we all. I think the first couple are on everyone's list. We're gonna go. Your dreams.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Yeah, good one.

[Hank Lockwood]

All right, so we're gonna double up. Yeah, we're gonna double up. I think Hank, I think we go number three and then number two.

[PFT Commenter]

I trust you wholeheartedly.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

Your parlay.

[Zach]

Add it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Gonna take that and then on the way back. Covid.

[Dan Katz]

Mm. Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

No one cares about it.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[Zach]

That's a good one.

[Dan Katz]

That's true.

[Zach]

I have.

[Dan Katz]

Imagine.

[Zach]

I'm. I'm going to. I'm. I'm going to accept a veto on this.

[Dan Katz]

Next.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Veto.

[Hank Lockwood]

Auto.

[Dan Katz]

Vito, no. Give it to us.

[Zach]

It's just that these two things are so similar.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Zach]

That I want that. I understand. But they're whatever. I. I will say your dog slash child photos.

[Dan Katz]

No, it's got to be one or the other. Yeah. Okay.

[Zach]

I will take.

[Dan Katz]

Or.

[Hank Lockwood]

They're not that similar.

[Dan Katz]

They're not.

[Hank Lockwood]

No, they're pretty much the same thing.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. One's dog, but it's like the same.

[Dan Katz]

You have a dog.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's the exact same thing.

[Zach]

No, but it's just the. But it's the pay. It's the picture of like, whatever. I will. I will take your child. Your child's photos.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

It seems a little cold hearted.

[Max]

Yeah, but that.

[Zach]

I mean, that's the. That's.

[Hank Lockwood]

Max hates kids.

[Dan Katz]

Can I take a human being into this world?

[PFT Commenter]

That's like the hardest thing someone can do.

[Zach]

Okay, you. That's my pick.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty disrespectful to your mom.

[Zach]

That's my pick.

[Dan Katz]

That is very disrespectful to your mom.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, if your mom posts on Facebook, you're like, mom, why are you posting this?

[Hank Lockwood]

It's actually disrespectful to all moms.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, sounds like dogs, on the other hand. Yeah, fair point.

[Dan Katz]

What do we do here, Zach?

[Shane Victorino]

Do you like eight or there's eight? Not strong enough. We do have some other hitters maybe.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we do have some hitters. We have a couple hitters. Man, this is tough. This is tough. This is where it gets tough. This is where it gets tough.

[Shane Victorino]

That one was taken, I think.

[Dan Katz]

One, two. That one is very.

[PFT Commenter]

Still have your one.

[Dan Katz]

One. Yeah, we still do. Well, we didn't order it exactly the right way, but I do think that one is. I. I think. I think one in four, so. Yeah, one, four. All right. So this is a little different than the kids photos. Don't care about your kids sports accomplishments. Like when people are like, oh, my Kid did awesome in, you know, T ball. Or like this. Like, I know when I say it to someone there, I'm like, this is the most boring thing I could possibly tell someone. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's participation trophy.

[Dan Katz]

Right, Right.

[PFT Commenter]

So until they're like 13 or 14, it's youth sports.

[Dan Katz]

Like, if they're in high school. Yeah, that could be something. But yeah, when you're like, yeah, my kid had a double and T ball, don't fucking care.

[Hank Lockwood]

I would even say that when Archie Manning talks about his children, I tune out. Yeah, quit bragging on your kids, dude.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

And then don't care about your opinion on politics. Just don't care when someone gives. Shares their opinion on politics. Do not care.

[PFT Commenter]

But what if they can shape your opinion?

[Dan Katz]

I don't care. When people. When someone shares their opinion on politics. I do not care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Sometimes it's interesting if it's a wild celebrity and they go in a direction that you did not think that they were going to go.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

And I'm like, oh, okay, okay.

[PFT Commenter]

No, yeah. Athletes, when they do it, it's like, yeah, I like. I like watching it hit bombs.

[Dan Katz]

Right, Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't care.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's gonna be celebrities. Opinions on politics, specifically. Because I do not care.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

At all.

[PFT Commenter]

Athletes you do.

[Dan Katz]

So. I mean, celebrities and athletes are the same thing. What do you want me put athletes slash celebrities.

[PFT Commenter]

No celebrities.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's fine.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Okay.

[Zach]

We're gonna go with your concert videos.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. One really good one.

[Hank Lockwood]

And everyone takes it that way.

[Zach]

It's like, is there anything quicker that you scroll upon on Instagram that It's like someone putting their entire concert. It's like, oh, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Don't care about this at all.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yep.

[Hank Lockwood]

They upload like an hour and 20 minutes to YouTube from the shittiest angle with the worst audio.

[Dan Katz]

Good pick, good pick.

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay, so it's on us.

[PFT Commenter]

Hank, I like six a lot.

[Hank Lockwood]

I know you love six.

[Dan Katz]

Do it.

[PFT Commenter]

You love six and then you. But you can do whatever you want.

[Dan Katz]

First, whether or not you're drunk. Funeral.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think. I think 5 is good too.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Your ball.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, who's making the picks?

[Hank Lockwood]

This is me. All right, so I'm gonna go with Hank's pick. Your workout pictures.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Yeah, that's. Unless they're hot. If it's a hot chick, I'm just throwing that out there. A hot chick working out is.

[PFT Commenter]

What about a guy when they're like.

[Dan Katz]

But I'm saying a hot chick working out. I care.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's what I told Hank.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Shane Victorino]

That's also the highest percentage of workout photos you'll see is attractive women.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, true.

[Hank Lockwood]

And then for the last one, we're gonna go soccer. No one cares about soccer.

[Dan Katz]

Soccer as a whole.

[Hank Lockwood]

Soccer. The sport of soccer. Soccer.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think it's going to play well nicely on the graphic.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Take a sport in the world.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Zach]

Memes. And I just stumbled upon one that I. I thought was our. I realized has not been taken yet. Your golf round.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Hank vetoed that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Did you want to say that?

[Hank Lockwood]

No, Hank. Hank made a good point, which is that golfers do care about your golf round, but, like, the six.

[Dan Katz]

No. One.

[Zach]

No, no, I. I care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Hank does care.

[PFT Commenter]

But to your. It's. It is. It's.

[Dan Katz]

If.

[PFT Commenter]

If it's someone you know and it's a course you've played, that's, like, specific, though.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And, like, if someone has a. Has a great round.

[Zach]

Don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I'm smashing the heart every time dialed.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think they care to the extent that if they've also played that course, they can then be like, yeah, well, when I was on that course, this is what I did.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But if you, like, see someone and they're. And they're like, oh, what did you do today? Like, oh, I golfed. I had it. I hit a birdie on 15 to get me. I'm like, don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

Slotted.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, Zach, what do we do? Because I think we can't pick the thing we wanted to pick.

[Shane Victorino]

You don't think we can pick 21?

[Dan Katz]

It was a stronger pick than what they picked, but should we say it?

[Shane Victorino]

I just think these. Those two things are vastly different.

[Dan Katz]

I do.

[Shane Victorino]

One's an organization, and one is we.

[Dan Katz]

Were going to pick the MLS specifically, but I don't know if that gets vetoed. We do. We thought a lot, but a lot of people care about soccer.

[Shane Victorino]

No one cares about the biggest sport in the world.

[Dan Katz]

Not even the MLS care.

[Shane Victorino]

Not even the players.

[Hank Lockwood]

No one really cares about soccer, though.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I. I think people do care about soccer. I think no one cares about the mls.

[PFT Commenter]

No one cares about soccer.

[Dan Katz]

I mean, there's definitely a lot of people that care about soccer. No one matters. We'll do something different. What about 13? What are you feeling about 13? That's kind of in the mood these days. Getting up on the time. Can't hear you, Zach.

[Shane Victorino]

I like 13. Do you think. One quick glance at our list. Do you think there's anything Stronger.

[Dan Katz]

I think. I think 17. Yeah. Oh, nine. So strong.

[PFT Commenter]

What about nine?

[Dan Katz]

Zach, stop it.

[Shane Victorino]

It's not right, guys.

[Memes]

23.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, let's do 17.

[Shane Victorino]

Let's rip 17.

[Dan Katz]

No, wait, wait.

[Max]

Hold on.

[Dan Katz]

13. You're right.

[Memes]

13 is good.

[Dan Katz]

No, I like 17. Let's go. Let's just stay strong. Don't break. Stay strong. Don't break. You're. Stay strong. Don't break. Strong. Don't break. NBA All Star Game. Do not care. Do not care at all.

[Hank Lockwood]

Fun to complain about.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But it's just. It's. Do not care at all. Yeah. No one cares.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a good pick.

[Dan Katz]

It's good. Thirteen was your marathon training.

[Zach]

I think the Pro bowl is a.

[PFT Commenter]

Stronger pick than marathon training is. Probably.

[Dan Katz]

I don't even think anyone watches the pro. Yeah, but.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Dan Katz]

But I mean, the NBA All Star Game gets talked about, and I don't care.

[Hank Lockwood]

I forgot that the Pro bowl happened last year.

[Zach]

The fact that people talk about it means that people care more about that than the.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm happy you didn't pick marathon training. That's probably a better version of your workout pictures.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, probably. All right, so we up Zach. That up?

[Zach]

No, we say marathon training is. Oh, marathon training is a good one.

[PFT Commenter]

Great one.

[Dan Katz]

Great one.

[Shane Victorino]

They're just saying that to say it. Don't let them get to you.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm not.

[Dan Katz]

MLS would have been way better than soccer.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, no one cares about soccer.

[Max]

You agree?

[Dan Katz]

MLS would have been a great answer.

[Zach]

MLS is a way better.

[Dan Katz]

Name one.

[PFT Commenter]

Soccer.

[Dan Katz]

Although Messi.

[Hank Lockwood]

And I'll give you this. It's a better pick. But Cole Palmer. Soccer looks way better.

[Zach]

Wait a minute.

[Memes]

What did you just say?

[Hank Lockwood]

Wait.

[Shane Victorino]

Cole Palmer.

[Zach]

Hold on. You just said Lionel Messi, though Messi.

[Shane Victorino]

Also has soccer player.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Also plays for the mls.

[Hank Lockwood]

True. Good point.

[Zach]

Your argument. Your argument was MLS is better.

[Shane Victorino]

Messy vacations at the mls. His legacy was not.

[Dan Katz]

That's true. Facts. True. We had to fight for yourself.

[Shane Victorino]

Picks on other grown men in the.

[Zach]

MLS on your side. But that was a bad argument.

[Dan Katz]

Zach had your feelings. Like. He doesn't care about other people's feelings.

[Zach]

Memes. Had a couple bangers that are just.

[Dan Katz]

I had your day. Oh, that's good. One day. Yeah. Zach also had one that I was. It was.

[Zach]

That's just such a mean.

[Max]

It is true.

[Dan Katz]

It's true. Zach had movies. He doesn't care about movies.

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay.

[Zach]

Just something similar. He was like the movie that you saw, but I was like, that's actually one thing I do care kind of Care about. Because if you saw a good movie and you tell and I respect your opinion, I will want to watch that movie.

[PFT Commenter]

Or if I was gonna go see it and yeah, it's bad.

[Zach]

Like, I want to know about.

[PFT Commenter]

I won't go see it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Would the Dallas Cowboys have played on the graphic? I mean, the numbers say that people care about.

[Zach]

That's it. That was my.

[PFT Commenter]

No, numbers are irrelevant in this discussion.

[Dan Katz]

Some big picture ones. I had the national debt. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

I had the deficit.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Don't care. Global warming. Don't care. Expensive wines. Don't care. SNL just as an entity. People always complain about it. I don't care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, they complain. They complain about, like who's hosting or.

[Dan Katz]

It'S too liberal or it's to this or that. It's not funny anymore. I'm like, I don't care.

[Hank Lockwood]

I professional on the list.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, I care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Professional boxing. One fight a year. I will care about one fight a year, but I don't really care.

[Dan Katz]

Did a couple tough ones that I wanted to throw on there because I personally don't care. But I think a lot of people do care about it is celebrity couples and the royal Family. Yeah. Don't care.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

But that is one that, like, a lot of people care about.

[PFT Commenter]

Coney 12.

[Dan Katz]

How do we miss your diet? That would have been a strong pick. People telling you about your diet. Don't care.

[Zach]

Nah, I care.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

No, you, Max, you don't care.

[Zach]

No, I don't.

[Hank Lockwood]

You're in charge of my nutrition and you've done.

[Zach]

I've done nothing.

[Dan Katz]

How much sleep you got?

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

People being like, oh, I didn't get enough sleep. Or I got so much sleep.

[PFT Commenter]

The one time you got really drunk in college.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I had your. Your used sports accomplishments. Like, you're like, not your kids. Like you saying, like, oh, I hit a home run in little league. Yeah. Right. Or I. Oh, Shane Victorino.

[PFT Commenter]

We're college athletes.

[Zach]

You guys are just making fun of me.

[Hank Lockwood]

Put your Spotify wrapped.

[Dan Katz]

I feel like I care about that.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, I care.

[Dan Katz]

Do you? Yeah, because it shows our fans the awls. Wow, Hank.

[PFT Commenter]

I meant for music, but yeah, I.

[Hank Lockwood]

Guess Hank just hate Spotify. We had Macklemore.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[Memes]

I had.

[Zach]

What you're doing at work. Don't care.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Your business idea. Unless it's really good.

[Dan Katz]

Unless you're on cocaine. And I do care. Movie script. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Mid range game. That was a good. That was a good one. Pft.

[Hank Lockwood]

Mid range range game.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Pictures are your food. Yeah.

[Zach]

Sometimes I care. Sometimes I'm like, wow, that looks really good.

[Dan Katz]

Where.

[Zach]

Where was that? But that's.

[PFT Commenter]

See, that's where it's like, you're with that for people that play golf is just you for food.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Everyone eats food.

[Dan Katz]

No, but no one Name someone who doesn't eat food.

[PFT Commenter]

Most people.

[Dan Katz]

That looks.

[Zach]

Plenty of people who don't go.

[PFT Commenter]

Most people don't care about other people's food.

[Zach]

You're like, most people eat. All people eat.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Not all people.

[Hank Lockwood]

All people eat. Fact.

[Dan Katz]

I got one that actually, when we decided to do this topic, it was, I think, the first thing that popped in my head. And it doesn't probably work, but it works for me personally. I don't care about crosswalks. Okay. At all.

[Hank Lockwood]

Big Jay guy.

[Dan Katz]

I just don't care. Like, they tell me where I got to walk. I'm going to walk where I want to walk. I don't care. Especially like New York City. I don't think I ever walked across. No.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I'm a J.

[Dan Katz]

Just fucking going right across the street. Just don't care.

[Max]

That's a.

[Dan Katz]

They're a soft. They're softly telling me where to walk, and I'm saying, no, I'm not gonna do that. Don't care.

[Hank Lockwood]

We had Katy Perry.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I still care about her.

[Hank Lockwood]

The fish that you caught.

[Dan Katz]

Cannons.

[PFT Commenter]

Fish that you caught.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

That would have been tough.

[PFT Commenter]

That you caught a good one.

[Hank Lockwood]

That would been tough. While Hank is wearing a fish hat.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Don't care about washing jeans.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's a good one.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Spam callers or like, the people who stay.

[PFT Commenter]

Physical mail.

[Dan Katz]

Physical mail. Do not care. That's a great answer.

[PFT Commenter]

Should have done that.

[Dan Katz]

That's a great answer. The mail, your allergies. Don't care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Don't care. The Jeffrey Epstein list. Who's Jeffrey Epstein?

[Dan Katz]

Who? Yeah, people are still on.

[Hank Lockwood]

That no one talks about.

[Dan Katz]

People still care about.

[PFT Commenter]

That there is.

[Dan Katz]

Moved on. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Come on.

[Dan Katz]

Your pregnant pregnancy post on Facebook. Also your engagement post. Nice.

[Zach]

Those are.

[Hank Lockwood]

I like knowing.

[Zach]

Those are two nice things.

[Hank Lockwood]

I like knowing who's knocked up.

[Dan Katz]

Show me when there's a baby billboard. I want to see an actual baby.

[Zach]

Okay. That's fair.

[Hank Lockwood]

Billboards.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. You said billboards.

[Hank Lockwood]

Billboards is good.

[Shane Victorino]

Commercials on gas pumps.

[Dan Katz]

Mm.

[Hank Lockwood]

Oh, yes.

[Dan Katz]

Don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

Commercials and cabs.

[Dan Katz]

Commercials and cabs. Yep. The people who stand outside of stores.

[Hank Lockwood]

That try to sell you something.

[Dan Katz]

Mm. Yeah. There's a ton in Chicago. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Kickers.

[Dan Katz]

Matters a lot. You care a lot about them. You care a lot about them. Yeah. Interior offensive lineman.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. Hank said your new haircut.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I'd say that's fair. Don't.

[Max]

Really.

[PFT Commenter]

I was just trying to think of. I was getting the mindset of, like, when I go on Instagram and people post X, like, when am I. Like, this is the dumbest thing.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, your vacation. Yeah. Don't care.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Dan Katz]

Don't care about the weather on your vacation. Specifically when people come back and they're like, all the weather was incredible. Don't care. Mm. Your commute. Do not care. Someone shares their commute. Like, oh, terrible getting in today. It's like, all right, cool.

[Zach]

I hope there's so many awls who are listening to this and they just, like, go and delete their entire Instagram story because they're like, fuck. Nobody cares about what I just.

[Dan Katz]

What I.

[Zach]

What I just posted.

[Dan Katz]

It's a golf round, but there's a lot of NBA all star game recap.

[Hank Lockwood]

There's a lot of stuff that you do care about.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Everybody posts, but just. We all don't like when other people do it.

[Dan Katz]

Correct.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

But, yeah, I mean, like I said, it's cool to care. This isn't an indictment on caring. This is just stuff that I think we all can agree. Don't really care.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. Like, I.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, yeah, I still post all these things. I just don't. Other people do.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. But I think it's also good to have self awareness.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Like when I. When I do say, like, oh, like, oh, my son had a double and T bomb. Like, this is. I wish I could stop this story right now and not say it. Like, this is stupid. I shouldn't be sharing this. Or like, when you talk about your golf round. Yeah. The National.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, you.

[Dan Katz]

You asked me.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't. I do not bring it up unprompted.

[Dan Katz]

Well, we talked about a whole recap.

[Hank Lockwood]

We talked about our days on this podcast.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Our children.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's tough to avoid.

[Dan Katz]

And I have eight children. Is 18. Yeah.

[Zach]

18 memes doesn't care about your day.

[Hank Lockwood]

You just don't.

[Dan Katz]

I like that memes. That's brutal honesty.

[Hank Lockwood]

Memes only cares about hate.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And memes and memes and memes.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, let's do our interviews. We got the Shanes. We got Shane Victorino. Awesome interview with him. Also, all time Max moment. And Shane Bacon talking about the Open championship pfc. You got a couple ads before we do that.

[Hank Lockwood]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest two time World series champion, the flying Hawaiian, Shane Victorino. I. I'll start with a really stupid question. How much better does two time World series champion sound than one time? That's got to be like because you got the second at the end of your career. That's nice that people always have to introduce you as two time World series champion.

[Max]

It's nice to get one, but you're right to get two. It's absolutely amazing.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

I mean to hear it, you know, I always tell people growing up just to, you know, tell yourself that to be a one time world champion was good enough but to be too, it's pretty fun.

[Dan Katz]

Do you ever bust out the rings?

[Max]

Never.

[Dan Katz]

Why?

[Max]

Because I honestly tell you if I got to wear my ring then I didn't do enough on a baseball field.

[Dan Katz]

What do you mean?

[Max]

Meaning like you are the ring. Yeah. I mean I tell myself, like, if I have to, and not a negative way. And I always tell people. It's. It's. It's more of a. I call it the fact that if you understand that I was a World Series champion, I was a big part of, you know, those championships, that hopefully I won't have to wear my ring to show.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

You know, kind of a thing.

[Dan Katz]

More than that.

[Max]

But you're right as far as where everywhere I go and everybody hears that. Everybody wants to see them, everybody wants to touch them. I'm like. The question is the year where I'm like, honestly, I don't really like to. And again, I don't want to attract the attention. I mean, honestly, think about me walking in a room anywhere I go with a big old fat ringer, but he's.

[Dan Katz]

Gonna be like a flex.

[Max]

I think it's like.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know, I don't know.

[Hank Lockwood]

If you never won one, then you say, I would wear that all the time.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

And then you.

[Max]

I guess I'm being a little, you know.

[Dan Katz]

I think this is the difference between, like, athletes and regular guys, because I dream of, like, any championship ring. I would wear it all the time.

[Hank Lockwood]

We got a championship ring for our lacrosse team that we own. We wear that all the time.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, she lost. Yeah, we lost it. Do you know where your rings are?

[Max]

I do know.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Max]

They're definitely tucked away nicely.

[Dan Katz]

Because maybe you should say, you don't know know. That would even be like, I sold them. I don't know where they are. Like, I can't find them. I got so many trophies.

[Max]

Yeah. It's sad to see when you do hear people selling them, like you said, you know, but.

[Hank Lockwood]

So you said before we started taping, you were very lucky. You got to play in two great sports towns. So what. What is the better sports town?

[PFT Commenter]

Philly or Anaheim?

[Max]

You tell me. No, Boston.

[Memes]

It's.

[Max]

I tell people. It's. It's two unbelievable fan bases that have a love and a passion for their sports. And, well, I separate the two. And how I separate the two is, you know, then they're two different championship. One, like you said, was early in my career. I was a young kid. Later on was at the back end. But what separates the two for me was I. There's not many championships in the city of Philadelphia, and people don't realize that. And people don't talk about that all the time. People think that Philadelphia. There's, you know, a plethora of trophies or championships in that city. So I take that a little Bit more on that side because there's not many. Like the game of baseball, you know, we lost over 10,000 games. I remember I was a part of it and still there. And you look and go, 10,000 games. We've been around forever. There was one championship, and then we became the second. So, like, those kind of things are what makes. I think Philadelphia is a little bit more. I mean, you think about it, Tom Brady won, what, seven? And then you got. The Celtics have won. And then, you know, they won in 4, 7. We won in 13, 18. I mean, that's a lot of championships in just the last 20 years, I mean, in the city. So I always tell people that's what makes Philadelphia to me, a little bit more special. But I mean, as far as going back to the fan bases, man, to win in those kind of cities.

[Dan Katz]

Special.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, I think with Phillies, it's that they let you know when they win one. So, yeah, they've got a handful of rings, right. But they let you know for years and years, like, hey, you remember that team? It kind of becomes more of a focus. More.

[Memes]

More.

[Max]

Well, because you don't have many. That's why I'm saying it's hard to go and say in Boston, well, oh, Brady's got seven. You know, the Celtics got how many? And each sport. So that's what I think that's, again, going back to that touching that point is that that's what is. Is is where I feel like they come egotistic about it because they don't have many. If you do have a lot, you act a little differently. And not saying, you call it, take it for granted. But if you know that in every major sport you got a chance to win a championship in the city of Boston, it's pretty different, you know.

[Dan Katz]

Is it. Have you gone back to both cities? And can you feel the difference? Like, in that Philly, you know, they're like, they're Shane Victorino.

[Max]

Well, I've been in. I spent eight years there, and I spent two and a half in Boston. So that's another thing I tell people like. So in regards to that. Yes, yes. And then, you know, Boston was. What made Boston special was the fact that the bombings and. And the magnitude of. Of what had happened at the beginning of the year and how we were able to transcend that like the city and bring the joy and the pride. That was what was cool about. You know, I get to touch on it. That second championship was that big factor. So, yeah, I mean, but as I said, both great, unbelievable Fan bases.

[Hank Lockwood]

This is our fucking city.

[Max]

That was poppy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Can you answer a question? Because I've always wondered this about David Ortiz. Whenever he'd hit a triple. Triple, be like once every two years, you get really excited for some reason. Do you know why he would get so excited about hitting a triple?

[Max]

Because it was always about his speed, bro. You know, the guy. I mean, he wasn't very fast. So to be able to go from first to third, it's a big moment. A lot of times if he's hitting it that far, it's usually in the seat. So he doesn't, you know.

[Hank Lockwood]

But I mean, there's something else that he got excited about.

[Max]

Oh, maybe I didn't know that one.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, he had maybe a little secret deal at home.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Max]

Oh, wow, man.

[Dan Katz]

I didn't know that.

[Max]

Well, damn, man. Well, good for him.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, speaking of speed, you ran a 4, 3 in high school?

[Max]

I did. I was pretty fast.

[Dan Katz]

That's. That's wide receiver speed. That's insane.

[Max]

But I also was 59 and £150.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, but that's insane.

[Max]

No, I had. I mean, but again, at the end of the day, that was my game in the big leagues. You know, I tell people I wasn't a baseball player. Like, I had God given speed through all the sports that I played through growing up, and that was my 1, 2, and then. And even in baseball, that became the, you know, the tool that carried me through the sport. But, yeah, Yeah, I mean, could I have. I mean, I. I loved. I. I thought I was going to be the next. You know, I love soccer. I don't know if you guys knew that, but soccer was my favorite sport. I thought I was gonna be the next Pele. And, you know, being as fast as I was, it was so much fun playing soccer, just running by everyone. You want to go there, I want to push it five feet and I'm gonna run by you.

[Dan Katz]

And I was cool, but so, so rank. Your. Your sports, what you were best at. Obviously, baseball.

[Max]

Soccer was my best.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Soccer was your best.

[Max]

Soccer was my number one. Such an awesome soccer number was number one. And like I said, I wanted to be Pele. I grew up wanting to be like Pele. I wanted to be set out. But in 99, you know, there was really nothing. And my dad was like, well, you can go overseas. I was like, I don't want to go overseas. You know, football. My dad was like, you're five, nine. So that was. Became my second sport because I wanted. I finally got to Play it. Put on the helmets. The flex, you can't catch me. It's like how to, you know, can can of mouse on a football field. So I love football. And then baseball was like the fourth because it was the hardest.

[Dan Katz]

So wait was three, three was track.

[Hank Lockwood]

Wait, was baseball your worst sport? Worst?

[Max]

Well, it wasn't the worst, it was the hardest. So I didn't like it.

[Dan Katz]

But.

[Max]

But again, having a father that sat me down my senior year and goes, okay, son, you're small. Soccer's not an option. You don't want to run for a living. Well, if you get drafted, maybe baseball becomes, you know, maybe it's an opportunity there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And that's how he played out. Honestly, that's great. I mean we were touching upon it earlier, you know, before we got mon. It's like baseball's the hardest thing to do in the world. I, I mean, I don't care. Golf's hard. Listen, you can play golf. An 80 year old man can play golf. A 7 year old kick him. But if I tell, you know, hey, let's go down to the park and let me throw a 70 mile an hour, 80 mile an hour fastball at you. I was gonna throw the first one at your head. That's part of the game. So. And you'll never want to step back in. So that's the hardest. So that's why I didn't play it growing up. You know, like, I mean, I played it, but it wasn't like, yeah, I want to go play baseball every day.

[Dan Katz]

That's crazy. What, what do you remember? Like your worst slump in, in the big leagues and what you did to get out of it. Because you're right, like the baseball and we've talked to a lot of baseball players. The fact that you could fail for like two weeks at a sport and, and still be a good. You know what I mean?

[Max]

And be happy about it when you come.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, it'd still be a really good. And then you hit three hits on the, you know, after 14 days you're like, I'm back, I'm good.

[Max]

I think what some of my toughest slumps was, a lot of it was mental too. It's just you said it's such a grind. So not only are you physically not able to achieve some of the goals, but you're just mentally grinding through it. So I mean, I remember a lot of our coaches which haven't great of them, you know, great coaches. Was a lot of them would sit me for a day and just tell me like, you're not playing tonight. Don't even do nothing. Go sit inside. You know, I might need you in the eighth or night if the game comes up and then the next day you come out and you just. It's almost like a re register. It wasn't like this big, you know, I mean, baseball's hard, as I said, when you go through those things, it's such a. I tell people. The mental side of what makes baseball hard is that, like you said, you go, I can go three weeks without up being successful at all. You'd be doing that, you know, Would you be happy with that at your driver? No chance.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

Are you doing a radio station? If you're right, if you did a.

[Dan Katz]

Bad show for two weeks, you're off, you're off, you're fired.

[Max]

So that's what, like you said, what's crazy about baseball.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

So.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. What. So back to your high school days. You got an offer to play for June Jones in Hawaii.

[Max]

I did.

[Dan Katz]

To kick.

[Max]

I did. To kick.

[Dan Katz]

Do you. Did you ever consider that?

[Max]

I did. Well, I. That was an option. I mean, that was the second option. And the reason that that was actually the heavily weight option was I had a mom, right. Who looked at me and said, you're never gonna be a big leaguer. It's not a reality. You go to college, get an diploma or get an education. Getting, you know, and going on into life, that's your chance.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

So that was the biggest challenge. And at the end of it, it was literally on the table. And it was the day I got drafted, I had a partial scholarship. Nothing more than that. It's crazy when people, you know, ask me like, oh, you were probably sought after. I go, I said, I had a partial scholarship to go to the University of Hawaii to play baseball. The day I get drafted, I get offered by June Jones a full ride because a kicker scholarship came over and I was a soccer player. So this is how it all transitioned. I became. And he offered me this and I took it and I was totally gun hole.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Till I realized that I didn't want to go to school.

[Dan Katz]

By the way.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's a completely fair thing to do.

[Max]

By the way.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

You're the Steve Jobs.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Not wanting to go to school, but also aside there. And this is going to sound obviously like a tourist, but the way you said Hawaii was awesome.

[Max]

Oh, thank you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I mean, that's how. I mean, how cool is. I've been to Hawaii once.

[Max]

It's.

[Dan Katz]

It's magical, like growing up there. What, what was it like growing up there?

[Max]

You grow up in paradise, you didn't know any better? Yeah, it's like I tell people anywhere you know you're from, I mean, there's always something special about your place. Yes. Hawaii's different. It's this magical place that everybody. But when I was growing up, I just, it was my backyard.

[Dan Katz]

When did you start surfing?

[Max]

I never did.

[Dan Katz]

What?

[Max]

Oh, you're gonna find that. I knew this was gonna caught you.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Max]

So I think early on in my life, I boogie boarded, I dove, I did all the fishing, I did all the oceans, but I just never got into surfing. And then I think there was a couple times though, like my friends and I talk now that when I was boogie boarding as a young kid, I really wasn't good at it and I got waffled and I didn't have a love for the ocean and I was always terrified and I never really felt. And then the second part is, honestly, I was playing a lot of my sports on land and that my mom and dad would always say, like, you can't. You got soccer practice, you got baseball, where my buddies would be like, peace out, surf's up, I'm gone. You know, and they would go. And I always had that, you know, so I never really fell in love with it. I always respected those guys.

[Dan Katz]

Did you, have you ever thought about as an adult, like, trying it? Trying.

[Max]

No, I'm way past that. In life, I would be a good video. You know, it's funny, I've had some of the greatest conversations with those guys and they all ask me, how do you stand there in a batter's box and try to hit a baseball? I go, how do you stand there and riding down 100 foot wave behind you and you think you're so cool? And I was like, there's a different wavelength here. So my point is, it's crazy how people look at baseball, but I look at surfing as that kind of like it's this. I look at them as legendary because I always thought it was hard, I mean, to go out there, you know, as I said growing up, fighting currents all your life, swimming in the ocean with your friends, it's not, it's not a normal playground.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. You know, but I, I went, When I went to Hawaii, I took, I, I went surfing once and I thought I was like nailing it. And then I looked back and the instructor was pushing my board and I was like, well, this sucks.

[Hank Lockwood]

It feels good though, to stand up.

[Max]

Yeah, you feel in a great spot. I mean, I. I can picture myself getting in a barrel and riding that. I can picture it, but I don't think it ever.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. Well, I gotta. I think I gotta overcome the biggest fear of, of. Of the ocean. Like the power, the power of the ocean. It's not even just the, you know, what's in the water. It's just the respect and the, you know, what I had for what I call, you know, experiences probably as a youth in mother nature and going, this is not for me.

[Hank Lockwood]

Did you travel as a kid or were you mostly.

[Max]

Mostly stayed there? Yeah, I didn't leave much.

[Hank Lockwood]

When was the first time you saw snow?

[Max]

Well, lucky enough as a kid, our highest mountaintop, it snowed. So I got to go out there as a kid and go visit and see what we call it snow. It was like, you're looking out now at the top of Tahoe and you see that white cap up there? That's what I considered my snow. So as a kid, there was a few times it snowed at our tides peak. But if you want to talk about a real like cold. A cold equatable was probably my years in the Mirelies. I think I ended up in. I was in Scranton Wilkes Bar. And I remember one of the first times we were in Buffalo, New York, and it was, you know, April, it was. Got to been 20 degrees. The wind was blowing that day. And I remember sitting next to the heater in the dugout, one of my teams go, what's going on? I go, bro, I've never been this cold in my life. So that was kind of my first run of really experiencing the snow.

[Hank Lockwood]

Homesick. Real fast.

[Dan Katz]

Real fast.

[Max]

Yeah. Actually realized like, why am I playing baseball?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Why do people.

[Max]

It was so cold. You're right.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Who's your favorite teammate from all your stops in Major League Baseball and why.

[Max]

I would have to say Jimmy Rollins.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Max]

You know, he was a big. He was like a big brother to me. He took me in as a rookie. You know, we've just. He was a guy that I always wanted to, you know, idolize when I was playing. You know, we always had our, like you said, your little internal lacrosse teams and all that stuff or your, your teams that you have or your. We had a. We always had internal best to make ourselves better. So when I look back on my career, having a guy that pushed me like that, you know, through all those years, I mean, he was the one teammate that I would say would, you know, I mean, he was in my wedding. That.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Tells you.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Also A very cool guy.

[Max]

Yeah. Awesome, bro. He's great. He's awesome. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Fun to watch play.

[Max]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

We should also. We should give you credit. I think you're the only player to ever win two World Series for two different teams and hit a home run for the Savannah Bananas.

[Max]

I didn't hit a home run.

[Dan Katz]

You played for the Bananas.

[Max]

But I hit a double in the gap.

[Hank Lockwood]

I thought it was a home run.

[Max]

It wasn't. It was a double. It looked like. It looked good, but it was a double in the gap, and it ended up scoring the winning run in that inning. But.

[Hank Lockwood]

So how'd they get you to go out there and play?

[Max]

I don't know. I just thought. You know what's funny, honest to truth, is my son wanted to get tickets to watch the Savannah Bananas in Las Vegas, and I tried through every avenue I could possibly, and I got denied.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And I was like, what is this? Yeah, what is this? And lo and behold, I said, you know what? I think it was Jake Peavey or Johnny Go. Somebody said, dude, go play with them. They would love to. And I was like, ah, I'll text the guy, but I don't know if I want to play. So, moral of the story is that's how I got in tune with the Phantom Bananas. Tell myself that I had to go play for him so my kids could go watch a Savannah Banana games in Las Vegas.

[Dan Katz]

So being around them, is it true? I've heard that the Banana are just swimming in. Is that true?

[Max]

Put it this way. My wife was more excited at the end of the game to watch all of them jump in the pool in Las Vegas.

[Dan Katz]

Okay. Yeah.

[Max]

Versus. You're right. So, yes, even, you know. So I say, well, what? Then I got to go back to being 26 with Abs, babe. Like, you know, like. But it was fun. And then that. And it is. It is crazy, the phenomenon of the family aspect, the women that love it, not just the, you know, the kids. I mean, it's these moms that are out there. They're so excited to be there. It's awesome. It is the crazy.

[Dan Katz]

It's in their contract. They're like, we'll pay you this. And then also, I. I also want to know what.

[Max]

Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right.

[Dan Katz]

They're not.

[Max]

They're nailing it. You know, they're having fun. But unfortunately, the older guys can't have that luxury.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we joined.

[Max]

That doesn't come in my contract.

[Dan Katz]

You mentioned your abs. What was the off season? You sent a Picture of your abs to your manager, like, every day. Is that true?

[Max]

No way. I would never do that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, you did. No, not once did you send it?

[Max]

I might have said one to John Farrell, I think, or somewhere.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, so that. That's literally true.

[Max]

They were talking about it. I said, you know what? I'm going to flex on his ass. But I think it was.

[Dan Katz]

Was it sick to have abs?

[Max]

I never really had them. That was the point. I think it was more like, it's getting better, but I never had abs in my life. No.

[Dan Katz]

All right, so you had also had two postseason grand slams. How often do you watch those back?

[Max]

I think my brother watches them way more than me, so when he's watching it, I end up watching it. But, yeah, I mean, they're great moments. I think that I would watch it.

[Dan Katz]

Every day if I were you. I would.

[Max]

No, I get it. I definitely watch it when I need that, you know, that. That. That. That reminder of how lucky I was and how blessed I was.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And when I say it that way, it's like, you know, when there's times where you're like, man, oh, it's. You know, it's. It's. It's not there anymore. Or it's not there you go like, bro, look at how lucky you were at the end of the day. Like, stop. You know, it's not that bad or whatever it is. Right? Like, look at how lucky you are, you know? And like I said, always the thing about, you know, when I think about at the end of the day, how many baseball players have ever walked on this earth? I'm, you know, I got to play 10 years in the big leagues. That's even a smaller percentage. So it's like, man, how lucky. You know?

[Dan Katz]

So that moment, both those moments, is that the highest high coming back to the dugout, like, being like, oh, I mean, a grand slam in the postseason? That. That just has to be off the charts. Like, you can't. You can't replicate that feeling.

[Max]

I mean, from an individual standpoint. Yes. I mean, from that moment where it's like, yes, the whole world's on you. Correct. But winning two World Series.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know, running in. I mean, like. But yes, from an individual standpoint. Yeah. There's nothing like it.

[Dan Katz]

You're floating in. Yeah, Yeah.

[Max]

I tell people all the time, it's like. I mean, like, they're like, how loud is it? I was like, truthfully, man, it's actually. It's almost like quiet in your. In your mind, you know? And you're just like, I, I, I. It's almost like.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You, you tell yourself as it happens, like, I mean, when I hit that grand slam, you know, and I jumped around the bases in Boston and I pounded my chest, it's like I literally went back to like my childhood days.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And, you know, that's every childhood dream.

[Max]

Playing in my backyard. I go like, bro, this is real, bro. Like, this is. I'm jogging around this basis, bro, like, this is. And so, like, that's what makes those moments that you said cool. Like, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's, there's no other greater feeling other than having your child.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Be born and be healthy and you know, but beyond that or.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Being a Savannah banana and getting all the.

[Memes]

Whenever they want.

[Dan Katz]

Yes, you're right. Yeah, that's awesome.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, it does seem pretty incredible. So you talked about the pile a second ago, the pile at the end of World Series. Were you at the bottom of the pile or.

[Max]

I was always at the end because I was in outfield. Yeah, I got to, I got, and in fact, one of the, you know, one of, I call one of the most iconic, you know, I think Phillies pictures, the pile that we have. And I was lucky enough, I'm kind of airborne and I'm landing on it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So the guys at the bottom of the pile.

[Max]

Oh, they're getting it.

[Hank Lockwood]

I feel like it's a great idea when you start the pile.

[Max]

No.

[Hank Lockwood]

And then after like two seconds, I.

[Max]

Don'T want to be under. I'm claustrophobics odd panic. Like heck, I guarantee that. So I'm glad I was always the, you know, the outfielder taking my time.

[Dan Katz]

On the way in that, that Phillies World Series you won. What was it? Was it three days of rain?

[Max]

It was a day and a half.

[Dan Katz]

A day and a half. How much did that screw up? Like, because you guys got to just be like, get us out there. Like, we did.

[Max]

It was definitely something different to actually, like stop a game mid game.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

Especially at that moment. Like, you know, but I mean, ultimately, there's no way we could have won.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know the way. And I would have felt bad winning a World Series.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Rained out four and a half or five and a half, you know, five inning game.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

Which was legit at the time. You know, But I, I, it was definitely. You wanted it so badly.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

Because you felt it at your fingertips, you know, but it was almost to the point where it's like, okay, relax, like, let it happen. Let it all. Because again, Just as fast as momentum shifts, you know, shit like that can shift it back in their regard and we'll go back the opposite direction.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Max]

But I mean, being at home helped, you know, being in city of Philadelphia, knowing that literally, I remember actually that when you talk about that moment, I remember walking out on what I call game five and a half, and second we stepped out of dugout, it was 42,000 electric, you know, fans in Philadelphia. So it was like, oh, it's back in you. You know, the energy was right back in you.

[Dan Katz]

Right, right.

[Hank Lockwood]

What was it like going back to Hawaii after winning a World Series? Was it different?

[Max]

Yeah, I mean, there's not many of us that have, you know, have the opportunity to do that. So, yeah, it was definitely a big moment moment. I think for me, I think it was cool because brought what I call a different. A different sport to the. To. To the forefront. You know, not saying that baseball was. Baseball is massive back home, especially at the U level. But there was never really one that someone that, like, said it and brought it, you know, I mean, there was successful big leagues, but not that World Series, you know, like, and especially in today's era, like, there's so much more and so much where kids can learn from someone like, you know, something like that. Where back in the day, if they did win it, it was, you know, where it really wasn't talked about. There's not much to look at, but to know that I can go back home and try what I call transcend. Where the game and the kids think and how they think of the game. I mean, right? Viva Lloyd, a kid that just won the golden spikes, you know, best college player of the year. He grew up in my little hometown. If you had told me that 50 years ago or however many years ago that there would be the best college baseball player that grew up in my little hometown in the little island of Maui. It was told you kick rocks. No chance.

[Hank Lockwood]

But two Hawaiian guys on the team, right? Arkansas.

[Max]

It was the two brothers. Their brothers and Vivo. Yeah. And I know them since they were this big. But it's like when you think about that kind of stuff, when you think about, you know, like, here it is. This is that moment, like, this kid's now a reality because someone like me showed them that they can do it.

[Dan Katz]

Do you. Do you feel like it's kind of not. Not mean, but the Flying Hawaiian is like one of the best nicknames ever and no one else can have it now, like, you took that, like, we could have a Hawaiian. No, you Can't. That's such a great nickname. When did you first get that nickname?

[Max]

So it was actually a New York Mets game in New York. I made a diving catch in left center, and the announcer said it. I don't know if it was Ron Darling or Kira. One of them said it. They're brought in the Mets broadcaster. And then it stuck.

[Dan Katz]

That's.

[Max]

It was just like that. Yeah. And then it became the nickname.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

How long was it for you to hear that nickname after the game? Because they're doing the TV broadcast. Right.

[Max]

I forget who brought it up. I don't know. And I think. I think they showed the replay of the, you know, they kept showing it because it was. It was a great diving catch. And then the more and more people show the replay, the part of the broadcast and, you know, I guess he. I think he said it or something like that. Like the flying wine makes this unbelievable catch. And then it was like, yeah, there it is.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

I read an article that you. Your parents had to take you to the emergency room something like 20 times before you were eight. Is that. Is that. Is that a fair estimate?

[Dan Katz]

It was.

[Max]

It was a fair estimate. It was very close. It was ten times before the age of five.

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay. Gosh, that's a lot.

[Dan Katz]

What were you doing?

[Max]

Just reckless abandonment, man. I was just. I fell off a bike, you know, tire spoke in my ear at the end of the, you know, end of the cul de sac, hit the curb, going full speed, you know, tired. Spoke in the ear. Hanging out with my brother, dump on the bunk. Oh, it's down there. I jump off the top, hit the screw on the side of the bed. I mean, got hit by a moving car. Fell out of the movie.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, that's.

[Max]

That was a little bit older in life.

[Dan Katz]

Those are two that are not like, oh, I got hit by a moving car.

[Hank Lockwood]

When you say moving, are we. Are we, like, technically moving or.

[Max]

No, this one was technically making. So the. Fell in love with the car was with my auntie and uncle. My auntie Valerie and old car, you know, sat on the door side back then you could. Could, you know, four deep across the front, three in the back. Little island cruising down the road in hometown. The door falls open. Little Shane's on the side of where the door falls open, and he goes rolling out. I mean, he's going, you know, making a left turn. Not going 50 miles an hour, but, you know, he's going 10 miles, you know, whatever.

[Dan Katz]

So that was.

[Max]

Well, I fell out of the car. Getting hit by the car. I was at my brother with my brother, who was my. Again, one of my idols. He was four and a half years older than me. So they're all with their friends, were big in the bike, bmx. They all go to the friend's house. I go and hang out with their brothers. They're all watching a movie, they're doing their thing. I go out front, take the bike to my grandma's house, basically steal the bike from the brothers. I go down, I'm coming, I'm trying to get back to where they are. Two lane road cars parked on each side. You know, a little 12 year old pops his head out, no car. Old lady's coming by 30 miles an hour, hits me. She said, I go flying 20 yards. You know, I get back up. But, you know, again, I'm 12 years old, so everything's still. She said, I literally was trying to run back to the bike and grab it because I was so scared.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Because I wasn't getting my ass beat by my brother, my dad, my parents, my grandpa and everybody else. And not only that, his friends, because now his bike's mangled. I'm more in panic mode. I think I was just in shock. So of course this lady grabs me, she's like, you can't go nowhere.

[Dan Katz]

I just hit you on the car.

[Max]

You know, I just hit you in my car.

[Dan Katz]

Like, you gotta stay here.

[Max]

Of course, now adrenaline comes down. Now it's like the, the pain starts kicking in and the crying starts happening. But I'm alive first and foremost. But the lady, I remember hearing her tell my parents, because I was what, 12, 13? So I still remember hearing it. She was, oh, my God, I hit your son. You know, I wasn't going fast, but I was going 30. I mean, it was, you know, going up 30. Yeah. And he came out of nowhere, you know, he was in between the cars. He came out of nowhere and I hit him. And he flew 20 yards in the air and he rolled. He ran back to the bike. She was trying to explain to my parents, and I was like. And then, like I said, it was just, you know, God bless, I guess at the end of it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Does she know that she hit you?

[Max]

Like, not back then.

[Dan Katz]

She did now.

[Hank Lockwood]

Does she know?

[Max]

Like, I don't know, she was an older. She long passed before I became something.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Okay.

[Max]

When you look back on that kind of stuff, but yes. How the hell was I lucky enough, right, to survive all.

[Dan Katz]

But you're, you just described two, like kind of traumatic, like bad moments. Like your Worst moments. And they're significantly cooler and more badass than anything I've ever done. I don't why I don't wish I got hit by a car, but like, I didn't wish either throughout. You got hit by a car and fell out of a car?

[Max]

Well, because I'm here now, you know, and I look back on the story, I wouldn't be a little different if it, you know, traumatized me in the end.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So you, you had, you have a adhd. You, when did, when were you diagnosed with it?

[Max]

Because five years old.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Better then it wasn't something that was no problem.

[Max]

It was actually. No. And then that was. So the other side to that story is at that age I was basically, you can tell agaro and just wild. I had to leave a preschool at some point, you know, because of my, you know, adhd. And it was fine. I mean, but these are all these moments when I look back on life, it's like what I also realized that's just part of, and I was born with it.

[Dan Katz]

It wasn't like I went to the.

[Max]

Streets and oh, let me go do this. And then it happens in my life. So yes, at a young age, it was always like, man, I was always in trouble because I was always hyper, you know, active, and I was all over the place. But then, you know, as I, you know, learned through life, like there was positives to a lot of that, you know, that good energy, that high energy stuff. But you know, as a kid, people don't know how to control it, you.

[Dan Katz]

Know, but, you know, so it sounds.

[Hank Lockwood]

Like they, they kept you really busy after that. Like you played every sport.

[Memes]

Every sport.

[Max]

That was it. They gave me all the house.

[Hank Lockwood]

And you're an Eagle Scout, right?

[Max]

Eagle Scout, yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So that's, that's like a lot of time that you're just spent doing structured activities. Right.

[Max]

And that was what was important for me, was to have that in my life.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

At what age do you think Shane Victorino could beat us up? I'm thinking it's like seven. How crazy you were.

[Max]

Like, I, I, I was crazy. I was crazy and I was tough, but to a degree of what I needed to be.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know what I mean? Like, and then I was also reckless around my friends. I wanted to be the guy to show my friends, like, bro, no, don't be fearless like you, you know, I, there might be not the right outcome, but go do it like set the ocean. The ocean.

[Dan Katz]

That's kind of, you're kind of a wimp for that.

[Max]

I'm a very much.

[Dan Katz]

I'm actually way tougher than, say, when.

[Hank Lockwood]

It comes to water.

[Dan Katz]

Ever tries to fight. You just run into the ocean.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's like bees.

[Max]

Stay close to the show. I got you go far out. I'll leave you alone.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, man. All right, so the, like, playing baseball, the grind of baseball. This might be a dumb question, but you're in the outfield. Were there moments where you, like, almost like when you're driving on the highway and you forget that you've been driving, Were there moments you're like, oh, shit, I haven't been paying attention for a while here.

[Max]

I tell you, one of the greatest moments. My wife, we were in Seattle and she told me that night after the game, because Seattle, they're seagulls.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And so, you know, I'm standing out in the middle of grass. All of a sudden you see shadows. What's going to. What's. What are you going to do? You're going to look up, right? If you're on the middle of a grass patch and all of a sudden there's a bunch of shadows over your head. So literally, she said, she goes, honey, I'm watching them pitch, and you're literally in center field looking at the seagulls above your head. And I was like, well, babe, what am I supposed to do? I mean, like, if you're out in the middle of a grass patch and all of a sudden you see shadows over your head, you're going to look up.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

So, yes, there are moments where there's things and objects that came into the play where, yes, I did find myself. I also did get thrown off from center field. So that's also one of the greatest thing that I've ever done. And.

[Dan Katz]

Wait, what'd you do?

[Max]

I got thrown out from center field. My greatest moments. Ed Rapid Wanna was at home. He called Ryan Howard on a strike. And then I went out to center field and I watched him. Center field. And he didn't call a strike on their guy. And I threw my hands up in the air and I was squaring at him, and he saw me and.

[Dan Katz]

You got through. You out. He tossed me for arguing balls and.

[Max]

Strikes, but unfortunately I felt bad for him because it cost him the playoffs.

[Dan Katz]

Oh.

[Hank Lockwood]

I mean, but that's. Yeah, you might be the only guy to ever do that.

[Max]

There's not many of us that got thrown off from center field. Yeah, for sure. So going back to one of my.

[Dan Katz]

Greater baseball players, that's pretty awesome. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

What about. What about Switch hitting. When did you decide that you were going to, you were going to hit from both sides?

[Dan Katz]

22 years old, that feels like that's pretty late.

[Max]

Yeah. When you have a coach telling you either going to home and go work in Hawaii or, you know, you want to become a switch hitter and you might become a big leaguer, then you tell me what you're going to do.

[Hank Lockwood]

So how much work did that take?

[Dan Katz]

A lot.

[Max]

I mean, it was, what I tell people was just, again, it was, it was not easy doing and hitting a baseball, the hardest thing to do, like I said. But to try to do it at 22 years old against the best in the world at a high level. I was willing to try it. I was not trying to go home for the rest of my life and yeah. Have no outcome. You know what I mean? So. But again, I look back and saying having a coach that gave me that, you know, foresight, like, hey, bro, I think that if you do this. And at that time I was in double a, I was 8th on the depth chart. You know, big leaguers already there. So like eight guys had to get hurt in the minor leagues. That ain't going to happen. But he goes, if you become a switch hitter and you're willing to try it, there's nobody on this list.

[Dan Katz]

Wow.

[Max]

And I can honestly say that at the end of my career, out of all nine of us, 10 of us that was in front of me, I would, yeah, I would say I was able to have the most successful career.

[Dan Katz]

Did you have a, after you got called up, did you have like a welcome to the big leagues? Like, oh, fuck, this is different moment?

[Max]

Oh, yeah. Every day for that first year, really, bro, this is what I mean, it was just different. They're, they're, they're, they were bigger, they were stronger, they were just athletic. They were the IQ of the game, you know, I mean, it was, I call it, it became the chess mask versus the checker match. Like it's now a chess match. It's not a checker, you know, like, you gotta, you gotta have that extra move and it was fun. But I mean, like I said, the size of the guys, you know, just the way the game was played, it was just, it was a lot more fine too, and it was cool. But yeah, every. I still tell my. Even till the day I was done in the big leagues, there was always, ah, me moments. It's like, you know, playing with Mike Trout for the first time when he was healthy was like, you know, back in his day was MVP Was like, bro, is this real?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Are you. Can you really be this much better than everybody else?

[Hank Lockwood]

Like, so, like.

[Max]

Yeah, there was always those Omni moments in baseball, and I think that's what. And maybe I'm just kind of downplaying it, but it was cool to always. And that's why I loved and I respected the game so much. It was like, you know, I played the way I did because it was like, man, there was always those Omni moments. As good as I thought I was or as great, it's like, man, there's this dude or that dude, you know? Like, there was always those pinch me moments.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

What about the flip side to that? Was there a moment where you got called up to big leagues and you were like, I belong here. Like, I feel like I can do this.

[Max]

I mean, at a young age of 22, I thought I'd belong, and then I got sent back to the minor leagues, but then I realized there was so much more for me to learn. So mentally. Yeah. But I always never try to think that I was there.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And I think that's what helped me play for so long, too, was to never think like that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And you got to think every year, bro, there's. There's a whole plethora of dudes that are just coming after you every single year. I mean, I got to play parts of 13 years, 11 total. You know, like. Yeah, I'm lucky, you know, like, because, yeah, every year someone's trying to take your shit, there's that next tranche of people, whether it be college, high school, you know. Yeah, they're coming. They want to get you.

[Dan Katz]

Do you have your gold card on you?

[Max]

I do. Not on me, no.

[Dan Katz]

Have you used it?

[Max]

Never.

[Dan Katz]

Really?

[Max]

Come on.

[Dan Katz]

For people who don't know that.

[Max]

No. I'm just kidding.

[Dan Katz]

You have.

[Max]

It is. I have never used it, but you're right. Will there be a moment? I will. Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Hopefully not the coolest thing ever. If you play. What is it? Eight years.

[Max]

Eight years or more.

[Dan Katz]

Eight years or more. In Major League Baseball, you get a gold card, and that gives you two seats to any game. You just got to walk up and they'll give you two seats. Correct.

[Hank Lockwood]

They should give you a platinum card. You should get every MLB team and Savannah Bananas.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

The only guy that has that.

[Max]

Yeah. Savannah Bananas. I want to buy an ownership in that damn thing. I think they're an empire now.

[Hank Lockwood]

Just so how you just walk up to the box office with the MLB gold card, and you're Just like, hey.

[Max]

You'Re supposed to be able to handle them. And they're supposed to give you the two vest available seats.

[Dan Katz]

That's such a cool rule. Done that, I guess it's like this is just again, another flex circle. This is like the UF World Series. We don't like the. I would, I feel like I would do it every game just to be like.

[Max]

It's like a freak if you don't have it. You want it, right? Yeah, I want to do your job. I want to sit there. I want to be as famous, you know, and talk on, on radio.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I don't know if you want to do job.

[Max]

I love it. I listen to you outside. Give it to somebody.

[Dan Katz]

Who is. I. I got a couple last questions. The, the nastiest pitcher you faced. Who?

[Max]

Every guy.

[Dan Katz]

But who was the, like the filthiest? Like, God damn it. This shit is just different.

[Max]

Steven Strasberg, when he first came to the big leagues and he made his debut against us, and I remember telling myself, come on, bring this dude up to the big leagues. I can't wait. And I think he struck me out my first three bats. One on a three, two change up and one on a three, two curveball. And I remember walking back to tell you going, you throw 100 and you just threw me two off speed pitches in a three, two count. We got no chance. This is not cool. Like, I mean, so Steven Strasberg, when he first came up was. I mean, honestly, all the hall of Famers. Yeah, those kind of guys. But like, when I look at that, all me more and I was like, bro, like, this dude is not real. And his first, you know, ever many years when he was healthy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, it wasn't cool. Filthy.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah. People, people forget about him when it comes to that, like, upper echelon. Because the way the end of his career went and then he had obviously the setback in the middle of the career career. But then he came back from that too. But at his peak that first five years.

[Max]

Yeah, I mean, it was, it was a joke. You're running 100 miles an hour with, you know you can throw everything else for strike. It wasn't fun.

[Dan Katz]

NL east fan base you hate the most.

[Max]

Come on, man.

[Dan Katz]

The Mets mat's gotta be. I mean, I hate him, but I.

[Max]

Just, I, I, I, I love, I hate love. I hate love. Because what I loved about them was the fact that I knew that there was gonna be fights with, with Philly fans that night.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And then, and what I hate about them was the fact that they were obnoxious.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And they gave it to us when we came to town.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

And that team's, you know, those years, man, those are some fun games. Because they were, they were good.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Those teams in New York were very good. And we had some good old fun battles, boy.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, I have one last question. It's a roback question. R HBK.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q, zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take Max. Max is a Philly guy.

[Max]

Got it. Max.

[Dan Katz]

He is. You're one of his favorite players ever, I think. Was he the.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yes.

[Dan Katz]

In the Little League World Series? He was your, your, the player, right?

[Zach]

Yeah, I was in the regional, like the final game before you make it to the League World Series, they'd go around and ask, who's your favorite player? I. I pull. I have the video poll.

[Max]

That's awesome, man.

[Dan Katz]

Let's play it for them.

[Max]

No, that's it, man. That's what you work for all your life. It's kind of funny when you say that, you know?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You look forward to that. Like.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

Kids saying on tv, my favorite player.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, he just broke your sunglasses.

[Hank Lockwood]

He just broke.

[Dan Katz]

Shame. He stepped on his sunglasses. Max just couldn't have gone worse. You stepped directly on his sunglasses, dude. Oh, my God, it's such a crunch.

[Max]

Tea on purpose.

[Dan Katz]

Dude. That's so cool.

[Max]

Dude.

[Dan Katz]

Is that.

[Hank Lockwood]

What a cool moment.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. What a great moment.

[Hank Lockwood]

Is that awesome, actually.

[Dan Katz]

And then now here you are stepping.

[Hank Lockwood]

On his sunglasses, meeting your hero.

[Dan Katz]

What a moment. Do you think that 12 year old maxi would have thought, like, one day I'll step on his sunglasses, embarrass myself?

[Max]

No.

[Zach]

Yeah, that, that one. That was the only way that was going to go.

[Max]

For sure. For sure.

[Zach]

That was the only way.

[Dan Katz]

So what's your question?

[Zach]

They talked about the grand slam against the brewers already. I wanted to ask you, how does it feel to have the second best at B out of that inning? What were you guys thinking when Brett Myers pulled that nine pitch walk?

[Max]

We were happy because we knew that, that kind of exhausted, you know. Exhausted, Cece? A little bit. I mean, Brett Myers was one of those guys, man. You, you know what you were getting, but you didn't know what you were getting. You don't know if you were getting the Brett Myers that was going to be straight or you didn't get the, you know, the guy that was going to throw at the guy's head for no Reason. So, I mean, him doing that at bat, I tell people all day long that was a big reason because I think he gassed Cece. I mean, and he, you know, he. He grind. And not only that, you kept getting 40,000 plus on their feet as his battle went on. Yeah. I mean, it just got louder and louder. And I tell people, any day, 45,000 to Philadelphia. Look out. You want to be on the good side. And I was lucky enough to be on the good side.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

You know, some of the craziest dude Johnny Gomes told me, he goes, man, oh, man, those. You know, because he was in Tampa at the time, he goes, man, these fans are nuts. When I got to Boston, I was like. I was glad they were on my side.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Max]

So.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Max]

Yeah. Max, thank you. Appreciate that.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Never meet your heroes you might destroy.

[Zach]

Yeah, no, I'm sorry about the sun.

[Max]

We'll survive. I think there's enough.

[Hank Lockwood]

Another good Max story. This is at the super bowl down in. What town was that in? Max, remember that? Remember that night? What, Arizona, Right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

We go out for a night. Max said he enjoyed himself until about 3:30 in the morning. And at the party we were at, there was that dude. Oh, was the mentalist. Oh, no, it was.

[Zach]

No, just a different guy that was there.

[Dan Katz]

My bad.

[Hank Lockwood]

Different mentalist was there. And he was asking all of us, like, I think he asked Jake, who's your favorite baseball player of all time? And Max just from the back pushes his way to the front line goes my favorite baseball player, Shane Victor Leo. And so the guy had to completely change up his trick because now he's got to deal with drunk Max. He's like, no, you got to do Shane Victorino. Got to do Shane Victorino.

[Zach]

Jake was trying to do Derek Jeter. I thought that was too easy.

[Dan Katz]

Challenging, so. Oh, man. Well, Shane, thank you so much. This has been a lot of fun and we appreciate you coming.

[Max]

Appreciate you guys. Thank you, man.

[Hank Lockwood]

Appreciate it.

[Dan Katz]

Thanks, man.

[Max]

Appreciate it.

[Hank Lockwood]

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[Dan Katz]

Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, our good friend Shane Bacon. Ahead of the I still call it the British Open, the Open Championship. You can see Shane his YouTube channel on YouTube Golf on CBS. He has the full preview. Probably a little nerdier than what we are going to get into because we don't understand golf to the level that Shane does. But Shane, good to have you on. First question, how many journalists are losing their clubs going over to Northern Ireland this week? This is my favorite time of year where it's just basically a bunch of guys going over, working the tournament, also playing some rounds and then they lose their clubs and they complain about it all the time.

[Memes]

Yeah. I mean, big cat. I famously lost mine at St. Andrews a few years ago and had the random person pick him up in Edinburgh and bring them to my hotel. A person that I did not know that just saw them kind of sitting in the corner after I'd lost them. But yeah, I'd say about half, I think about half the people lose their golf clubs on this trip every year. And I still kind of think it might be the only reason we still do Twitter. I think it's just to complain to the airlines. It's like maybe the main reason that we jump on it.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Probably coins too. Yeah. Complaining to airlines and then, and then pumping coins. That's keeping the economy afloat. So what is, what's going on with Royal Port Rush? Because each of these courses for the Open Championship has their own identity. They've got weird quirks about them. Some of got what I just like.

[Dan Katz]

The idea of like we're, this is our golf analysis. Like so, so what, what's, what's Port Rush's deal? Yeah, what's his deal?

[Hank Lockwood]

What's it, what's up?

[Dan Katz]

What's he up to?

[Hank Lockwood]

Because something is sex. Sometimes you go over there and it's like, oh, this is the course that's got this one 40 foot bunker.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Right. Other courses it's like, oh, we've got these things called burns that run along the fairway on 17, 18, that'll you up.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, here's a par three with 75 mile an hour. Wind that right in your face.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, there's this one that's got a giant tree that grows and we call it, we call it Old Boss man. And you have to avoid Old Boss man at all times. And back in 1970, who can forget when, when, when Sleepy Joe Williker got stuck in the leaves. But there's, there's always like one thing about each course when it comes to the Open where it's like, this is what this course is known for. So what, what's the deal at Royal Portsmouth?

[Memes]

So, so I would say the, the thing it's probably known for and it was highlighted in 2019, is internal out of bounds. We don't get the States. The course I grew up on in East Texas had internal out of bounds. And we just didn't like abide by it. We just hit the ball over the clubhouse, didn't care. But it's kind of necessary around this golf course, especially at the first hole. If you go back to 2019, you know this was like the height of kin. Rory win a major, right? 2019 going to Northern Ireland. He shot 61 on this golf course when he was 16 years old. And the first hole on Thursday hits it out of bounds and made, I think he made it eight in this opening hole and shot 79. So that's part of it. It's probably the most penal in terms of driving. It's a tough golf course to hit fairways. You think about St. Andrews, these are 70 yard wise fairways, right? It's almost impossible to miss the fairways around St. Andrews. This is a lot tighter. I was talking to a player earlier today and I said how many drivers said maybe half, like maybe half the holes I'm gonna hit driver. That's something that probably doesn't play in the hands of a Bryson type, right? Who wants to lean on the driver as much as possible. But once you find the fairway, that's when it gets interesting. It's a second shot golf course, small greens for a link style golf course. And if you start to hit a lot of greens, I mean if you do what Shane Lowry did in 2019, he had 80% of the Greens that week, you're going to have a real opportunity to contend. And we talk so much about distance. Like we love talking about Bryson bombing it and Rory bombing it. Scotty hits it plenty far. But when you dive into like golf stats, the, the big time dudes, like the big names we all know are all near the top in terms of stroke gain, approach and that's all iron play. So like the Scotties, Morikawa's, Victor Hovlands, those types of players. And so those will be the names to kind of focus on as, as Thursday gets going.

[Dan Katz]

What in general like this style, of course, the links course. What, what is, what do you need specifically in your game is it is a lot more touch, is a lot more feel. What is it that like the profile? Because obviously Scotty, Scotty's gonna be good anywhere. There's some guys that are gonna be good no matter what.

[Max]

But.

[Dan Katz]

But maybe guys that will have a chance here, that don't have a chance. Other courses. What is it about their game?

[Memes]

Yeah, I think the, the interesting part about the Open when you kind of look through it historically is you don't have to hit it super far. I mean the US Open was never, you have to bomb it kind of golf course. It's kind of turned into that a little bit, which I think is a bit of a bummer. It just feels like you have to hit driver far to contend and win at a US Open. The PGA is very much like that. Augusta's like that as well. So you think about the majors, right? And they're all lean on the driver, hit it as far as possible. That's not the case at Opens. I mean, you go through the history of this championship, specifically, especially kind of in the modern times, and you'll occasionally get a Darren Clark or a Shane Lowry, you know, somebody that's not going to be in the top 50% in terms of driving distance. So I think that's the unique part about it. Like patience is important. I think that's one thing that's gotten to Scotty at this particular major and Bryson as well is just kind of being patient, understanding you're going to get some shitty breaks, you're going to hit it in a pop bunker and not being able to stand in it, like five's okay, move on. I mean, you've got an opportunity on the next hole. So I think as much as anything, it's being okay with getting on this bad side of a draw, Having bad weather kind of pop up when somebody else played in perfect conditions and understanding that's kind of part of the game. And I feel like this feels more four day golf tournament than maybe some of the other ones we play.

[Hank Lockwood]

So how much of a factor is going to be the roulette wheel of the weather? It can we rely on anything with the weather at this tournament? Like, is it always bad in the mornings, does it get worse in the afternoons?

[Memes]

So it doesn't look like it's going to be too nasty in terms of when this week the forecast are saying, you know, maybe gust in 15, 20 on the weekend, which seems like a lot, but that's not that much in Northern Ireland. And the first couple days seem pretty benign in terms of wind conditions. It's going to be wet and that is the one thing. It's going to be rainy, it's going to be wet. The one weird thing about pro golfers is they refuse to wear rain gear. I've asked a lot of them about it and they're just like, I don't like the way it feels. And obviously they get free, close and like, whatever. I'll just throw this sweater away on the back end. But I mean, if it gets really gross, kind of the mudder type of players are the ones you kind of focus on. I think about guys that Grew up in this. I think about guys that have played in Opens in the past that feel like this. You go back to 2019, it was gross all four days of that Open championship, and obviously Lowry was there and Tommy Fleetwood contended as well. You know, some other names I kind of like in these conditions. Like, I like a guy like Patrick Reed, you know, who can just kind of mud it up and doesn't mind if it gets nasty, almost prefers it. Even a Jordan speed type who's okay if it gets a little nasty and plays a little bit tougher in terms of the conditions. So those are maybe the names I lean towards. And then somebody like Scotty. And I keep going back to this, but, like, Scotty does not like it when it's, quote, unquote, unfair. I mean, that is the one weird thing about Scotty. Like, he wants a great shot rewarded, and that's just not what links golf's about. And when you look at Scotty's record at the Open versus all the other majors, this is the one he has not played great at. So I think for Scotty, it's trying to lean a little bit more into that world versus, oh, my God, I pulled the three wood off. Why is it not in the middle of the green? Why is it in that pot bunker?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. So what is it about Lynx golf that a great shot is not rewarded is just that much more difficult.

[Memes]

Yeah, firm, firm ground. So it rolls a lot. So, you know, you might land. You know, you watch pro golf, you guys watch, you know, PJ torque off a decent amount of. You see a ball land on the front of the green, it's probably going to stay on the green right here. It can land on the front of the green. Roll, roll, roll, roll off the back of the green. Go down into a pop bunker, and you might be against a lip where you can't get it out. I mean, I think that's the unpredictability of kind of firm conditions. And I think it's something like us nerdy golf people prefer. Like, we like seeing the ball roll. I mean, pft. I know you're a big root for the golf course guy, and these are the golf courses I tend to root for the most because you have to accept what happens. Like, I. I caddied at St. Andrews out of college, and for a few months, I saw plenty of good golf shots that ended up in horrible spots. You know, so understanding that it's not always going to be perfect, and, you know, it's. How many shots do you see a Three pointer that kind of rims in and out and doesn't go through, right? It would look like a perfect shot, but it didn't go in or a perfect pass, you know, over the top of a safety or a corner, and the receiver just drops it. Like, those things happen in sports, and I think at golf, it happens the most in these conditions versus most of the stuff we see the rest of the season.

[Dan Katz]

I'm excited.

[Hank Lockwood]

Might be a dumb question, but are there any golfers that are luckier, that are better at being lucky than us others?

[Memes]

I mean, I'm sure there's some that would say they're probably lucky or. I think Jordan, for the first, probably four or five years of his career, felt very lucky. I mean, you think about the way he won the US Open, right? It's like Dustin Johnson hits it on the green, has a putt for eagle, three putts makes par. Jordan Spieth wins the U.S. open at Chambers Bay. Right? Like, that felt a little lucky. It kind of not handed an Open, but, you know, you got the benefit of somebody kind of struggling down the stretch. I think speed's one of those players that kind of feels lucky, but it always seems to be the guys that are, like, playing the best golf, right? Like, yeah, Scotty feels like he gets lucky a decent amount. John Rom feels like he gets lucky a decent amount. Right? I mean, when you hit great golf shots, you're always, always going to be rewarded on either one end or the back end. So I always kind of lean maybe towards the better players over, maybe the guys that struggle a bit.

[Hank Lockwood]

Okay, I got a quick headline grab for you. Dig deep into the narratives of this Open. Is it now or never for Tommy Fleetwood?

[Memes]

Kind of feels like it. I mean, this. The Travelers thing was such a bummer. Like, I love rooting for Tommy Fleetwood. He's my pick this week. I pick him, like, seven times a year, and he never wins. I kind of feel like Tommy Fleetwood's Gonzaga basketball is kind of my car. Yeah, Final Four, very good, very talented. Number one seed a lot of the time, obviously has the talent on the floor, but doesn't get it done. That's kind of who Tommy Fleetwood has become in professional golf. He played great here in 2019, finished second. He plays the Open the best of all the majors, and he's one of the best iron players in the world. So it's kind of like, do it now or you're never going to get it done. This is the last time I'm picking them, though. I can't pick him again. Like I said, I pick him too many times already, and he never wins. But I'm leaning on, on the Gonzaga of golf once again here.

[Dan Katz]

I have a question about the mentals of the golfers this week. So we have Scotty Scheffler just gave a press conference that was very honest and very real, where he basically was like, I celebrate a win for about two seconds. And then I'm like, hey, what are we getting for dinner with my family? And just talking about, like, he. This pursuit, this endless pursuit, and maybe the highs aren't really fully worth it. And then you also have Rory talking about being honest about winning the Masters and feeling like there's kind of nothing left. Are these guys okay? Are, are we okay as, as, as a golf community? What's going on?

[Memes]

I mean, everybody's also firing their caddies, like, every two weeks now. I don't know what's going on. I was texting with a caddy this morning. I'm like, this seems abnormal. Does it feel abnormal to you guys? I do think it is something unique to golf, right? And I think this was a big struggle for Rory after the Masters is you win the Masters for you, it's the biggest thing you've ever accomplished, Right? I mean, he admitted it. He talked about it, obviously, still the emotions on the green. We talk about it in the sports world for what, three days, four days? And then it's like another golf tournament that quote, unquote, matters as much as any other other big signature events outside the majors, right? So I do think golf, of all the events, is the strangest one because you don't win a lot. And when you do win, you get two or three days and the narrative changes. And I mean, if I asked you guys, you guys pay attention to sports non stop, right? If I asked you guys who won the Open two years ago or four years ago or six years ago, you probably wouldn't know.

[Hank Lockwood]

Hank knows. Hank's got it.

[Dan Katz]

Shane Lowry. Shane Lowry, 2019.

[Memes]

Yeah, but Hank doesn't even know who's on the. What's the live team you always ask him about?

[PFT Commenter]

It's Dustin Johnson, it's Harold Varner, it's Patrick Reed, and it's this guy.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, no eaters. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, no, you're right, though. We all move on very quickly from a lot of this stuff.

[Hank Lockwood]

But I do keep, like a file in the back of my head of who has won a major. Yeah, yeah, but it's actually more who.

[Dan Katz]

Hasn'T won a major. Yes, the file is like, if you.

[Memes]

Win a Super bowl or NBA championship or all this stuff in other sports, you have, like, months to celebrate it, right?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And you have all this time to enjoy it, and you get away from the game and all that stuff, and golf just doesn't really allow you that. I'd say maybe the only time these players really let loose is after winning a Ryder cup, because there's not a lot of golf on the back end of that. But major season is so compact now with that PGA move a few years ago, that it just feels like, hey, win it and then ride back to it. And I honestly think that was a big part of why Rory struggled at the pga. I mean, it's a golf course he should play well at. But I do think sometimes he's like, did I get my flowers appropriately for what I just pulled off? Because nobody thought I was going to win this thing ever. And it came down the stretch. It didn't look like I was going to win it anyway. And then I do get it done, and it's like, what are you going to do the rest of the season versus what you just got done and accomplished in your career?

[Hank Lockwood]

Well, you had an illegal driver. We found out later.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

So we can. We can wipe that one away. That's right. So you mentioned the caddy's getting fired. I know he's not playing in the Open, but Joel Damon did part ways with Gino, his beloved caddy, recurring guest on part of my take. That one stung because I. I like a lot of other people, we watched Full Swing on Netflix, and it felt like these were two just great friends that were just going to stick it out together. Do you have any idea what happened there?

[Memes]

I. I think that Gino has been very honest with Joel about, if this isn't working for you at any point, let me know. And I think sometimes you need a new voice in your ear as a caddy. I mean, that's something Phil and Bones talked about when they split up.

[Dan Katz]

Right.

[Memes]

Is sometimes you have this messaging that you say to a player, and at some point it just stops. Big Cat. It's like when you yell your kids.

[Dan Katz]

Right? Yeah.

[Memes]

And it just stops working. And you've kind of got to change your approach, and it's like, do I need to be nicer? Do I need to stop offering iPad or ice cream or whatever the case may be and try something a little bit different? But the. The caddy, I will say it does seem very easy right now. And I'm not saying this about Joel or anybody. But it does seem super simple as a golfer right now to say, I need a change. Let's make it the caddy. And I think sometimes the grass isn't always greener. And I know Gino's gonna get another bag because he's a very good caddy. I also know Gino's one of those dudes that if he wants to do TV at some point, he would be excellent at tv. So maybe if the caddy thing doesn't work out, he could go down that route as well. And I hope somebody I'm working with, with Hiram, because he's. He's a really, really good dude. Thoughtful dude, and knows a ton about the game.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. The other day, I. I did a countdown on my. My daughter. Three, two, one. Put your shoes on. Like, you have three seconds. And we got past one, and she. We just kind of stared at each other. And I think she probably needs a new dad.

[Hank Lockwood]

She realized what happens? Nothing happens after you get to one.

[Memes]

Yeah, I. I just. I don't know. I. I'm. I'm currently in the same phase right now with my daughter, Big Cat. I don't even know. Like, I have no other pitches, man. Like, I've tried all my pitches. I've kind of. They're just hitting them out of the park, and I don't know what else to do. I almost feel like I might read a parenting book, which I said I probably would never do, but I think I might lean that route. If you have one to suggest, let me know.

[Dan Katz]

I just throw out crazy shit that kind of confuses them. Like, I'll be like, we'll be driving in the highway, and I'm going to drop you off on the highway, and you're just going to have to walk home, and they'll. And they'll, like, laugh and just.

[Memes]

Probably not in the book.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. They'll be like, what do you mean? Like, we'll just get hit by cars and die. And then I'm like, all right, we have a good laugh, and then we move on.

[Hank Lockwood]

Have you thought about shit?

[Memes]

My son asked me the other day, if I died and mom died, could he live with, dude, perfect? And I was like, yes. I don't think so.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Memes]

But I don't know.

[Dan Katz]

That's a yes. Yeah, sure.

[Memes]

Sounds great.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's also a great question.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Have you tried double ice cream? I know ice cream might not work, but what if you just said, we'll do double ice cream?

[Memes]

Oh, dude, we're on. We're on the Popsicles right now. Popsicles are killing it in the summer. They love the popsicles. Post camp is, like, one of the things. At least saves me about an hour of silence, which is nice.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, Absolutely.

[Hank Lockwood]

We got to check in with you on the. The update on the blueprint, the handshake agreement, the framework that we have between the live and the pga.

[Dan Katz]

We've been all over these. So how is the.

[Hank Lockwood]

How is the blueprint looking right now? Have we made any updates to it? Has. Have terms been agreed upon?

[Dan Katz]

It's.

[Memes]

It's dust is settled on the blueprint. They might abandon the project at some point. Feels like the PGA Tours kind of won this thing. I feel like a year ago, we were all maybe thinking the other side of it, but, I mean, lives, you know, out there, and it's producing players, and I don't think any of the players care about it anymore, but I don't. I don't feel like they're anywhere any closer than they were when they said it was, you know, pending 18 months ago, two years ago, whatever the case may be. It just feels like the blueprint is an idea of, like, the vacation home that you decided you can't afford, you know?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just got everyone off their back for a little bit.

[Memes]

Yeah. I mean, you just throw words out in sport, and then people go, you know, it's like we're searching for a new coach. The process is out there, and you then, you know, you never hire a new coach.

[Hank Lockwood]

We've got concepts of a plan.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Of the two mergers.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Can so. So give us your. If you had to pick. If I had one. Gun to head. Gun to head. Max, put your gun up. Gun ahead.

[Hank Lockwood]

Max is leaving.

[Dan Katz]

Shane, you have to give us five guys, and one of them is going.

[Memes]

To win a gun at me.

[Dan Katz]

Yep.

[Hank Lockwood]

Zach point. Oh, he's got.

[Memes]

No, he's not doing that.

[Dan Katz]

Memes. Change the. Change the show Shane. The guns that Zach has. Adam, right here. Oh, look at that. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah.

[Max]

There's.

[Memes]

Never thought he would come that way.

[Dan Katz]

All right, I got names for you five guys.

[Zach]

I got.

[Memes]

I got Tommy Fleetwood.

[Dan Katz]

Okay.

[Memes]

Finished second, 2019 at Port Rush. T4T10. Two of his last three starts at the Open. I like Tommy Fleetwood. You guys are draftking guys, right? Isn't that the deal?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

I was looking up some numbers on DraftKings. Speed I like a little bit as a sleeper. Plus 450. DraftKings to top 10, plus 900 to top 5. I like both those numbers. I think in terms of the favorite. Favorite guys up there, I like John Rom a lot at the Open. Cameron Young, I think, is a long shot I'm a fan of. He's played great at the Open in his very short career. And then Harry hall is a name I also like. He's played some solid golf this year. Maybe not to win, but I think somebody to finish in the top 10. Plus, he's sponsored by the Hard Rock Cafe, which I think is the funniest golf sponsorship out there right now. I love that Hard Rock Cafe on the. I didn't know they still were, like, existed.

[Hank Lockwood]

There's an iconic one in Philadelphia.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, the Commanders took it over.

[Hank Lockwood]

We took it over before the game. It was all over the.

[Memes]

Oh, no way.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Is it.

[Memes]

Was the food okay? Like, is it still Memorabilia all over the place? Like, how was it it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Well, I wasn't there for it. It was just not. It's like a Philly stronghold. It's the most important restaurant in downtown Philadelphia. And for the Commanders fans to take that over really said something. So, yeah, I'm. I'm very. I'm intimately familiar with the. Okay.

[Memes]

I feel like I'm gonna go to a Chili's over. But that's okay.

[Dan Katz]

That's great option Chilies. Yeah. Hank, did you have a question?

[PFT Commenter]

I was gonna say also Cameron Young, mlb.

[Dan Katz]

What do you mean?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he's got the mlb. Like, that's probably the second most ridiculous sponsorship.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Memes]

I don't get that, Hank. I don't get it at all. I just don't like. What are they getting out of that?

[PFT Commenter]

I think his dad is just friends with Rob Manfred or something.

[Dan Katz]

That's awesome.

[Hank Lockwood]

What's the.

[Dan Katz]

Wait?

[Hank Lockwood]

What's the most ridiculous?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, he said hard.

[Max]

I think hard.

[Memes]

I think Hard Rock Cafe and Harry hall is pretty ridiculous.

[Hank Lockwood]

I do like the idea of a professional athlete being sponsored by a different sport. That's kind of cool. I would love to be sponsored by the NFL.

[Memes]

That's the most golf thing ever. If you guys remember Payne Stewart, the late Payne Stewart was sponsored by the NFL for a while, and he would wear the team local team's color outfit that week during the tournament, which was awesome.

[Hank Lockwood]

That's really.

[Memes]

Go to Miami and have dolphin colors.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

What about our good friend. Our dear friend Chris Got her up. Just won the Scottish Open.

[Dan Katz]

Confirmed Awl.

[Hank Lockwood]

Confirmed.

[Dan Katz]

Awl.

[Hank Lockwood]

Is there. Is there any translation between winning the Scottish Open and then how you perform at the Open Championship?

[Memes]

I mean, I think, you know, I mean, I obviously Keep the train rolling. But again, it's not the same golf course as the Renaissance. I hate saying it that way, by the way. It sounds ridiculous, but that place, you just drive the hell out of the driver, just hit it as far as you can. This place, again, not going to be that type of golf course. But he's playing solid. So, I mean, I could see him going out there and. And kind of following it up with maybe a top 25 or top 10. I don't think he's going to win.

[Dan Katz]

What about big week for our guy Brooks Koepka? We have the takeies on Friday.

[Memes]

So you haven't already called in or is he calling?

[Dan Katz]

We have not taped yet the Blake of the year, but he is obviously in the running, hasn't won that. What does he have a better chance of winning this tournament or winning Blake of the year?

[Memes]

Man, what a great question. I would say he played really well here in 2019, but that was kind of height of his power play with JB Holmes on. On Sunday. That kind of crushed his chances. Like JB shot a million. I think JB Holmes was T3 or T4 going to the final round and finished like 45th. I shot like 86. I would say probably Blake of the year is probably where I'd lean right now. That being said, nothing would make me happier than Kepka getting in contention. Kafka and Spieth playing well in majors makes this stuff more fun.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, agree. Agreed.

[Hank Lockwood]

Agreed.

[Dan Katz]

Big time. Agree.

[Hank Lockwood]

You just mentioned like he got screwed by his partner. Is that a pretty common thing where if your partner, if he shoots like in the 80s, that you have a. Most of the guy, most of the time, the other guys that are paired with him have a very hard time shooting low.

[Memes]

Depends on the personality. I mean, Kepka's not. I would think he'd probably even admit this. Not the most patient golfer out there. He does not like slow play. He doesn't like guys that take forever. When you're shooting 86, you're taking forever. JB Home's also very slow. So he was slow and, you know, shooting 100. So that didn't help the situation. I think some guys just can kind of like check out, look away, look at the water, talk to their caddy, tell stories, things like that. But I think it's kind of personality driven if you can handle it or not.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. All right, Shane, I got one last question. It's a rollback question. R H O B A C K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, Polos, Hoodies, Joggers, Shorts, Roback.com promo code take. Like I said, they have. You have recaps of every round, right? Golf on CBS, on YouTube.

[Memes]

We do something, we do something with CBS on the YouTubes throughout the week and then we'll do the HQ hits and all that good stuff as well.

[Dan Katz]

So make sure you tune in because you can, you can, you can see the analysis after every round. Shane is the best in the biz when it comes to this stuff. And speaking of, you love golf. You golf a lot, but you also have a job. And I wanted to say thank you Shane, because he actually had a tee time that he moved to come on this show today. Something that Henry Lockwood would never do.

[Memes]

Yeah, I had a 9:30.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the question? Hold on, what's the question?

[Dan Katz]

Rollback question. Shane, if you were playing Dungeons and Dragons with us, would you be complaining that it's going too long because you had a tea time time?

[Memes]

No, I would be dialed on my job. I'd be locked in and I'd be ready to roll. But wait, that's something that I would be, that I'd be doing. I mean I like shout out to my buddy Katropa and Joe Musso. I was supposed to be playing a little golf with him this morning. Big Cat texted me yesterday and I went, hey, listen man, when the boys call, I gotta do it and golf be damned.

[Hank Lockwood]

But wait, what if it was on your birthday?

[Memes]

I mean, even more reason to do my job. Nobody cares about my birthday. I'm not turning 16 anymore. Yeah, like every birthday I have from this point forward matters almost zero percent to everybody involved.

[Dan Katz]

How's your game right now?

[Memes]

You know, dude, I, I kind of lost it a little bit earlier this year and I just found something about two weeks ago, so trending upwards I'd say. I shot a couple under the other day, which was nice. And my home club have not touched that number in a little bit. And I got a big, a big tournament next week that I'm looking forward to. So I'd say it's on the up and up. How's Hank's game right now?

[Hank Lockwood]

It's not bad.

[Dan Katz]

He's playing a lot. He missed an entire day of workout in Lake Tahoe.

[Hank Lockwood]

He's not, he's not as long as he would like to be.

[Memes]

Yeah, but I watched the long drive video.

[Max]

Pft.

[Memes]

I mean you were giving it everything you had. And where was your back that messed up?

[Hank Lockwood]

My back's really Messed up right now. Yeah, it sucks.

[Dan Katz]

But did you like the course you were playing on?

[Memes]

Yeah, it looked great.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, we got more coming.

[Hank Lockwood]

We got.

[Dan Katz]

We played a skins match that, like, it's great.

[Hank Lockwood]

Course, we talked to the guy that runs the course, and he. The last thing he said to us before we go out there, he goes, okay, don't get bit.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

And we're like, wait, bit by what?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, he's like, coyotes and bears. Okay.

[Memes]

I was caddying in Australia years ago for a friend of mine on the LPGA Tour. And I am like, I'm not an arachnophobe, but I do not like spiders. Like, get out of my face with that stuff. Snakes, whatever. I lived in Arizona for a long time. Not a spider guy at all. And I'm like, jet lag. Get the bag out of the car. I'm walking to the first tee to play a practice round, and I almost walk into a spider web with a spider that was probably seven inches long. Like one of those ones that looks fake, like you'd put, like, outside your house for Halloween. And I told my friend Irene, I go, listen, don't take this the wrong way, but if you miss, hit a drive and it goes in the. I am not looking for it. Like, yeah, you can have a spotter help you. You can go look for it if you want. But I'm out. Like, this is not part of my job. I'm not getting bit by a spider. No, thank you.

[Dan Katz]

Yes. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

I will never golf in Australia. Everything in Australia will either kill you or buy you a beer.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Memes]

Why is it all in Australia? None of it, New Zealand. Don't understand that.

[Dan Katz]

That's true. It's a good point. All right, well, Shane, you're the best. Thank you. Appreciate you, as always. And we'll talk soon.

[Memes]

Thanks, boys.

[Dan Katz]

Okay, let's wrap up the show. It is summertime. We're golfing. We're on the boat. We're having some backyard barbecues. It's the warm weather. And when you close your eyes, you think about what would be the most delicious drink to drink during all those things I just described. It's Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Grab a blast of refreshing tropical lime flavor with Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Baja Blast also comes in zero sugar. We're going back to barstool camp this year in a couple weeks. It's about a month away, and Mountain Dew is taking us out there. It's going to be incredible. There's nothing like being out, sun beaten down. You're out on the lake. You're playing volleyball, you're playing softball, you're grilling, you're golfing, and you have a Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Ice cold Mountain Dew Baja Blast. So go try Mountain Dew Baja Blast right now. I was drinking one the other day. It is the absolute best. It is so good. Especially when it's hot out. You can just visualize your hand going into a big cooler full of Mountain Dew Baja Blasts. Oof. That's good. So go try Mountain Dew Baja Blasts right now and get excited for our barstool camp coming up in a month. Okay, guys. On chicks. But first, Zach, we have an official date. Don't say time or place or anything. Any details, but do we have an official date?

[Shane Victorino]

We. I won't dox the date, but we do have an official date.

[Dan Katz]

Let's go.

[Max]

We do.

[Dan Katz]

All right.

[Hank Lockwood]

We got date. We have time, location, activity.

[Dan Katz]

Don't say all of them. We.

[Shane Victorino]

We do have. We do have all of those things. Today is not that day. The day is coming soon. So as long as she's still down for the day in the upcoming days, we will be going on a date.

[Hank Lockwood]

Are you excited?

[Shane Victorino]

I'm looking forward to very much so. Pft.

[Dan Katz]

I'm excited for you, and I think you're gonna nail this.

[Hank Lockwood]

What was the response like? Was it.

[Dan Katz]

Was it happy?

[Shane Victorino]

Was it friendly in the back. In the discourse, back and forth? Yeah, I would. I would say so. It was friendly cordial.

[Dan Katz]

Friendly cordial.

[Hank Lockwood]

Good baseline to build off of.

[Dan Katz]

Friendly cordial is a great combo.

[Shane Victorino]

I think. I think it.

[Dan Katz]

I'm.

[Shane Victorino]

Hopefully it goes well.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

We're not doing Pilates on the first day.

[Shane Victorino]

We. Thankfully, we're not getting into Pilates studio on the first date.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[Shane Victorino]

That would be catastrophic. DEFCON 1 or the highest of def comms.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I can't never remember if it's five or one.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think it's. I think it's one.

[Shane Victorino]

Have you guys seen the contraptions you got to get into for Pilates?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. They're intimidating. It's scary. We're gonna. We'll. We'll maybe if the. If the first date goes well and there's a second date, then we will do a video of us trying out Pilates so that we can get you up to speed.

[Shane Victorino]

I did see there were quite a few Pilates studios trying to get you guys to do Pilates.

[Max]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Katz]

All right. Well, we'll maybe do it. All right, Hank. Guys on chicks. Hey, pmt.

[PFT Commenter]

Another Rachel Awl here. Just want to say that I've been listen for years and Zach is one of the most genuine and well intentioned people you guys have had on the show. His genuine appreciation, excitement for everything he gets to do makes me so happy. My question is, Zach, if you could plan your ideal first date, what would it be?

[Dan Katz]

Don't dox your date.

[Zach]

Don't dox your date.

[Dan Katz]

I definitely.

[Shane Victorino]

I won't talk to date. Ideal first date. I think. I think drinks is a safe call. I also think maybe like an activity, but not too strenuous, like intermediate strength. No, no, no. Beginner. Strenuous.

[Dan Katz]

Beginner.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Katz]

Maybe a walk, A light walk. A walk would be not wine walk.

[Shane Victorino]

Yeah, a little wine action.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, a walk would. I feel like a walk is good because you can like, you could do a walk and then if it's going well, be like, let's go grab a drink. It's kind of a lead in. Right?

[Shane Victorino]

Checkpoints along the way.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. And I feel like a walk also hits that every girl's brain being in a ROM com where it's like, hey, let's walk the city of. It's in the fall. Love. Yeah. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Nice autumn walk. I also like how Zach's brain works in terms of video games, like hitting the checkpoints along the way. So if you screw some up, you just go back to the bench.

[Dan Katz]

Yes.

[Shane Victorino]

I could see the similarities there. Yes. We'd have to go back to the safe point at that point.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hey, guys. Hey.

[PFT Commenter]

I was recently on my honeymoon with my husband and I found out he body washes before he washes his hair. I've always done the opposite. And I shampoo and condition my hair before I body wash. Am I the weird one or is he.

[Hank Lockwood]

I think it just comes down to guys versus girls. More specifically, long hair versus not having long hair.

[Dan Katz]

This is also a good Mount Rushmore. Don't care about what order you wash in.

[PFT Commenter]

I also definitely do not have a.

[Hank Lockwood]

Consistent order at all because guys, especially guys with short hair, we just take the body wash and then we just put that all over our body.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Why'd you say because I used to have short hair.

[Dan Katz]

Oh.

[Hank Lockwood]

So it's like you just. You just take the all in one stealing valor.

[Dan Katz]

We. You can use.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, well, for like 30 years.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. I don't know what order I do it in. I don't think it matters.

[Zach]

I do body wash and then, then wash.

[Dan Katz]

I think I know wash first.

[Zach]

I think you're supposed to do. You're supposed to.

[Dan Katz]

You're supposed to Shit. Then get in the shower.

[Zach]

I can't tell you the last time that I've taken a shower without at least trying to shoot.

[Dan Katz]

Yes, of course, I said.

[Zach]

And I sit on the toilet for like 20 minutes. Yeah, whatever. But I'm normally body. Body wash before. Wash your hair, but I think you're supposed to like let the conditioner stay in your hair.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, I wonder.

[PFT Commenter]

I found out when I was like 26 that you were only supposed to wash your hair like once or twice a week.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I did it every. I still do it every day. I wonder, do you think. How many women do you think realize that we do not take long showers as men? We're just for the first 20 minutes of the shower because I turned the shower on and I know it's kind of wasting, but I also don't want anyone to hear me. You're.

[Zach]

You're a self conscious.

[Dan Katz]

Well, I mean, I've learned that I do some damage, dude. Yeah, not pretty. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Bag it up.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, listen, I had a couple tweets about that. Probably overshared, but I also stand by what I did and I'll have to do it again. Done it before, did it in Tahoe. Gonna do it again. If you get stuck in a situation where you have a clogged toilet, just find a little plastic bag, put your hand in it, do it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Do they make an all in one body wash that also has like, you can brush your teeth with it, like all. All in one and drink. And drink. Yeah, yeah, you got. You get the shampoo, the conditioner, the body wash, the toothpaste, the mouth wash, lube to jerk off, lube to jack off deodorant. That's just body wash. No body wash. It can dry you out, Hank. Jack off with body wash. That would.

[Zach]

It stings.

[Hank Lockwood]

Dry you right out.

[Shane Victorino]

Dr. Bronners, just have a couple 18 in one options.

[Dan Katz]

18 and one.

[Hank Lockwood]

I love that.

[Max]

You can do full body teeth.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's got a meal in there. It's got protein.

[Shane Victorino]

I don't know the calorie stats on it, but it.

[Hank Lockwood]

Maybe it's pre and post workout.

[Shane Victorino]

Why not?

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, douche. Douche your butt.

[PFT Commenter]

Hi, PMT boys. First of all, speaking for the lady at AWLS were very offended Max wouldn't consider attending a bachelorette party for his punishment.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, it was disgusting.

[PFT Commenter]

Secondly, as someone who's striking out on the dating apps, would you consider helping me with a new opening line to use on guys to really grab their attention? Tits only get you so far.

[Hank Lockwood]

Wait, an opening line?

[Dan Katz]

No. Tits get you everywhere. What? I don't know. I mean, just tits are there.

[Hank Lockwood]

Just the tits have to say hi.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Do you like my tits?

[Hank Lockwood]

Hi.

[Dan Katz]

That's. That's actually a really good opening line because then he'll. The guy will just say yes, and then you're off and running.

[Hank Lockwood]

Hey, I'm a woman. Hey, how are you? That should do the trick.

[Dan Katz]

Hey, I have tits. I don't know if you saw. Scroll up. Yeah, I don't know what an opening line would work. Look like for a woman.

[Hank Lockwood]

Just notice him doing anything. Be like, wow, you look really strong.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Or, oh, no, maybe just hit him with. Yeah, like parlay for tonight, question mark. Yeah, that. That would. That. That will reel him in right there.

[Hank Lockwood]

Want to go to the MLS game with me?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Because, like, if a girl asks you to, she means business.

[Dan Katz]

I don't think that would work.

[Hank Lockwood]

She's not doing it for fun.

[PFT Commenter]

Biggest sport in the world.

[Hank Lockwood]

Yeah, it is. Good point.

[Dan Katz]

Hey, hey.

[PFT Commenter]

PMT crew fontime Awl here with some first aid advice for a new Zach Rap. On the first date, you go, absolutely need flowers. Go colorful, not just roses. And pick somewhere nice, but not too nice because you can't set the bar too high. My vote would be a chili, so you can both get a trip dip and $1 marks. The girls love Chili's.

[Dan Katz]

Chili's. Chili's is definitely a place that girls get horny at.

[Hank Lockwood]

It's very romantic, for sure.

[Dan Katz]

Flowers of chilies. Is that what we're talking about?

[PFT Commenter]

Flowers then? Chilies?

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, flowers and chilies. I think that does play.

[Hank Lockwood]

Have you thought about the flowers move, Zach?

[Shane Victorino]

I haven't thought about that. I do respect the Chili's move, though.

[Dan Katz]

You might have to get to a Chili's pivot. No, I can't pivot.

[Hank Lockwood]

Don't change the location.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, yeah, don't change the location. Flowers, I feel like, is a try hard move.

[Shane Victorino]

It's kind of heavy.

[Dan Katz]

First date, it's a very heavy move. I think. Flowers, try hard move. Just period.

[Hank Lockwood]

Anniversary, birthday.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah, I do it, but I don't.

[Hank Lockwood]

Like it in conjunction with other things.

[Zach]

Yeah, I'm a random. I'm a random flower guy.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, wow. Try hard.

[Hank Lockwood]

That.

[Dan Katz]

No.

[Hank Lockwood]

That raises a lot of questions, though, Max.

[Dan Katz]

Try hard. No.

[Hank Lockwood]

Surprise flowers.

[Dan Katz]

Surprise Flowers can get you into a situation where, like, what'd you do wrong?

[Hank Lockwood]

Yes.

[Zach]

Flowers are the easiest thing to do, though. Like, you're just at the grocery store.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you see like, like $10, and it's like, oh, yeah. Why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't I just buy these?

[Dan Katz]

Sounds like you did something.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I used to have a guy, and there was a guy that on my commute home in Massachusetts, would be on the street selling them.

[Dan Katz]

And sometimes you buy them for yourself. No. Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

The I UP flowers.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Doesn't Ernie Johnson, every time he goes to the grocery store, he gets a dozen roses for his wife and try hard Mo and then a dozen roses for a stranger.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

To just give it to him like it does his flowers.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah. Yeah. That kind of rocks, actually. Yeah. Doing the stranger thing.

[Hank Lockwood]

Ernie's nice.

[Dan Katz]

Numbers three.

[Hank Lockwood]

Three.

[Dan Katz]

That was Hank.

[Hank Lockwood]

That was Hank.

[Max]

99.

[Dan Katz]

Oh, memes. Oh, look at that shirt. Pug. Pug, you're untapped. Did they send that? Get your own number. I just did. Did untapped send that? Yes, I was. Yeah. Untapped. Took to the pug. I. I love watching pug tap in. This is something about it.

[PFT Commenter]

Chill week with the boys.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

Watching the replies.

[Dan Katz]

Chill week.

[PFT Commenter]

Sipping.

[Hank Lockwood]

Watching Joe.

[Dan Katz]

We. Sipping. He. He deleted the G at the end of sipping.

[Hank Lockwood]

Watching the replies come in nice. Good beer.

[PFT Commenter]

Toast.

[Dan Katz]

I'll go six.

[Zach]

I'm gonna go 66.

[Hank Lockwood]

I'm gonna go 21.

[Dan Katz]

99'S been cold.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Dan Katz]

One pug.

[Shane Victorino]

11.

[Hank Lockwood]

16.

[Dan Katz]

21.

[Hank Lockwood]

I just.

[Dan Katz]

Pft. Already took it.

[Memes]

21.

[Dan Katz]

Yeah.

[Hank Lockwood]

21 on Chargers Jersey Day. Yeah, Chargers Jersey Day. Nonetheless.

[Dan Katz]

85. Okay.

[Hank Lockwood]

Or no.

[Shane Victorino]

17. Sorry.

[Hank Lockwood]

I didn't know it was Chargers Jersey day. I wouldn't have done it.

[Dan Katz]

Who got three hanked? It's been cold.

[PFT Commenter]

Come on.

[Dan Katz]

Three.

[Max]

It's due, dude.

[Dan Katz]

Oh.

[Max]

Oh.

[Dan Katz]

89. 89. Wow.

[Hank Lockwood]

Dirty dog.

[Dan Katz]

You guys are going to have star picking. 99.

[Hank Lockwood]

Love you guys.

[Dan Katz]

That's Pug. Sa. Sam Sa.