Smylie Kaufman Talking PGA Championship, Knicks Whomp The Celtics, Thunder To The WCF, Miami Marlins Kyle Stowers And Tyler Phillips In Studio And A Goodbye To Mr Bing Bong - Pardon My Take

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Pardon My Take – Episode Summary: May 19, 2025

On this episode of "Pardon My Take," hosts Big Cat and PFT Commenter dive deep into a diverse array of sports topics, featuring insightful discussions, guest interviews, and candid takes on recent events in the sports world. Below is a comprehensive summary of the key points covered during the episode.

1. NBA Playoffs: Thunder vs. Nuggets – A Game 7 Recap

Timestamp: 03:57 – 15:35

The episode opens with a critical analysis of the NBA Playoffs, focusing on the intense Game 7 between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Denver Nuggets. PFT Commenter criticizes the anticipation versus the actual performance, stating, “The anticipation for the Game 7 is way better than the actual Game Sevens” (04:00). Big Cat echoes this sentiment, expressing a preference for Game 6s over sometimes lackluster Game 7s, emphasizing the Thunder's growth and defensive prowess.

Hank provides an overview of Scotty Scheffler's impressive performance, highlighting his defensive skills and leadership: “Alex Caruso is like, their Thunder are great as a team. And Alex Caruso just takes that defense intensity to another level” (10:20). The hosts commend Scheffler’s ability to elevate the team's play, particularly his clutch performances in critical moments.

PFT Commenter critiques Nikola Jokić’s performance, arguing that despite being the best player in the world, Jokić underperformed in crucial games: “If he was the best player in the world, game four and seven, he could have played better, and they could have won this year” (12:14).

2. PGA Championship: Scotty Scheffler’s Dominance and Equipment Controversy

Timestamp: 16:02 – 23:18

Transitioning to golf, the conversation shifts to the PGA Championship, where Scotty Scheffler secured his third major title. PFT Commenter and Big Cat discuss Scheffler’s exceptional performance, noting his ability to maintain composure under pressure and his technical prowess on the course.

A notable controversy arises regarding equipment compliance. Scheffler admits that his driver failed a standards test due to an improperly thin face, necessitating the use of a backup driver during the tournament: “Scotty Scheffler, the champion, just admitted that his driver was also tested this week and did not comply” (17:41). This revelation sparks a discussion on the fairness and consistency of equipment testing protocols in professional golf.

Smiley Kaufman, a recurring guest and golf analyst, elaborates on the issue: "The protocol, there's a certain way they measure it... But for whatever reason, it's random. It just seems like a situation..." (17:41).

Despite the equipment issues, Scheffler's victory is celebrated as a testament to his skill and mental fortitude: “He could have played up to the standard, and that's a lot of credit to the Thunder” (12:14).

3. WNBA Controversy: Caitlyn Clark vs. Angel Reese

Timestamp: 30:05 – 36:14

The hosts tackle the heated discourse surrounding the WNBA, specifically the rivalry between stars Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese. PFT Commenter expresses sympathy for Reese, acknowledging the challenges she faces against a more dominant Clark: “I actually feel bad for Angel Reese at this point. And it has nothing to do with, like, how she's handled herself or anything. It's just simply Caitlyn Clark is so much better than Angel Reese at basketball” (34:03).

Big Cat critiques the nature of the rivalry, emphasizing that it has escalated beyond the sport: “It's like, how do you deal with having a bunch of weirdos out there that now care very deeply about your sport” (34:34). The discussion highlights the broader implications of increased visibility and polarized fan bases in women's sports.

Smiley Kaufman adds depth to the conversation, noting the impact of media narratives on player perceptions and the importance of handling rivalries with maturity: “It's a tough one to call because it just...” (33:25).

4. Hockey Playoffs: Leafs vs. Panthers and Stars vs. Jets

Timestamp: 24:44 – 38:50

Shifting focus to hockey, the hosts review the recent Game 7s in the NHL. The Toronto Maple Leafs faced the Florida Panthers in a disappointing outcome for Leafs fans, with PFT Commenter lamenting the lack of playoff success: “If you get two quick goals on them, they just crumble” (25:13).

They also discuss the Dallas Stars' impressive performance, securing an overtime win against the Winnipeg Jets: “Tickets are going fast so lock yours in now” (26:17). The hosts commend the Stars' resilience and clutch performances, contrasting it with the Leafs' struggles.

Big Cat highlights personal interactions with fans, mentioning the emotional rollercoaster of playoff hockey and the camaraderie among team supporters: “They started putting on game t-shirts and everything else” (38:20).

5. Interviews: Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips of the Miami Marlins

Timestamp: 126:07 – 176:05

In a special segment, Big Cat welcomes Miami Marlins players Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips to the studio. The interview delves into their recent trades, experiences in Major League Baseball, and life as players transitioning from minor leagues to the majors.

Kyle Stowers shares his journey, recounting the unexpected nature of his trade and the challenges of adapting to a new team environment: “I mean, you never know” (129:17). He discusses the competitive spirit within minor league teams and the tough decisions athletes face when traded.

Tyler Phillips discusses the realities of summer ball, the pressure of performing consistently, and the mental aspects of pitching: “I think it's a little nerves, little butterflies, but it's a lot of just like the adrenaline” (160:04). Both players emphasize the importance of teamwork, resilience, and maintaining focus amidst the uncertainties of professional sports.

The conversation also touches on personal interests and coping mechanisms off the field, with Phillips highlighting his engagement with performance psychology and reading for mental fortitude: “I've been... trying to get better” (164:18).

6. Conclusion and Farewell to Mr. Bing Bong

Timestamp: 177:37 – End

The episode concludes with a lighthearted and humorous farewell to a recurring gag character, Mr. Bing Bong. The hosts engage in playful banter, highlighting the camaraderie and entertaining dynamics of the "Pardon My Take" team. This segment reinforces the podcast's signature blend of sports analysis and comedic relief, leaving listeners with a sense of community and anticipation for future episodes.

Notable Quotes:

“[04:00] PFT Commenter: The anticipation for the Game 7 is way better than the actual Game Sevens.”
“[12:14] PFT Commenter: If he was the best player in the world, game four and seven, he could have played better, and they could have won this year.”
“[34:03] PFT Commenter: I actually feel bad for Angel Reese at this point. And it has nothing to do with, like, how she's handled herself or anything. It's just simply Caitlyn Clark is so much better than Angel Reese at basketball.”
“[37:44] Tyler Phillips: I'm trying to groom him into a... the fanatic he's friendly with.”

This episode of "Pardon My Take" masterfully navigates through a multitude of sports topics, providing listeners with in-depth analysis, expert opinions, and engaging conversations. Whether you're a casual fan or a sports aficionado, the hosts ensure a comprehensive and entertaining experience.

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[00:00]
Big Cat
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[01:36]
PFT Commenter
Let's see, we got hockey, baseball, basketball, golf, horses, horses.
[01:42]
Big Cat
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[03:58]
PFT Commenter
Game 7 weekend duds.
[04:01]
Big Cat
I.
[04:01]
PFT Commenter
The anticipation for the Game 7 is way better than the actual Game Sevens. This is making me disagree with LeBron's take. And he's the first never heard say this. The two best words in sports. Game seven.
[04:10]
Big Cat
Yes, that.
[04:11]
PFT Commenter
Actually, this. This kind of puts me back onto game sixes. I might be a game six guy.
[04:16]
Big Cat
Listen, I. Game Sevens are great. Game seven duds. I don't even want there to be a game seven when it happens. And we had two of them on Sunday. I agree with you. Game sixes may be more important. Did we have any game sixes?
[04:28]
PFT Commenter
That's the new Game seven.
[04:29]
Big Cat
New games. What, Hank, what would you like to talk about first? Because we have every sport. We're literally going to talk.
[04:37]
Hank
Scotty shepherd, wnba.
[04:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, well, I had WNB on there. We have everything. You want to start with Scotty, or do you want to start with basketball?
[04:45]
Hank
I feel like Major championship or Game Sevens. That's pretty easy. You know, one of those two.
[04:51]
PFT Commenter
What about your game seven that you had?
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Hank
Hank didn't have a game seven.
[04:54]
PFT Commenter
Oh, why not?
[04:55]
Big Cat
It's Monday night.
[04:57]
PFT Commenter
Oh, okay.
[04:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[04:58]
Hank
So the Celtics lost.
[04:59]
Big Cat
No. You want to start? You want to start with that?
[05:01]
Hank
I don't, but, yeah, sure. Let's get it all.
[05:05]
Smiley Kaufman
Let's do it.
[05:06]
Hank
The band let's do it.
[05:08]
PFT Commenter
Hank is so egotistical that he thought that we were talking about the Celtics this whole time.
[05:12]
Big Cat
We were talking about the Thunder and the Nuggets and we were talking about this game seven. We were talking about. Scotty. Let's. Let's wait.
[05:20]
Hank
Okay?
[05:20]
Big Cat
Let's wait.
[05:21]
Hank
Okay.
[05:21]
Big Cat
Let's. Let's talk about the game Sevens today. Let's talk about the Thunder Nuggets. By the way, I should have started the show. Parody is back. NBA parody is officially back. This now with the Thunder beating the Nuggets in game seven, there are going to be. It's guaranteed seven different champions in seven different years in the NBA. And we also have the chance for two franchises who've never won a title in Indiana and Minnesota, I guess actually three, because I don't. I don't think OKC claims any of Seattle's history.
[05:58]
PFT Commenter
Well, even though Kevin Durant.
[05:59]
Big Cat
Yeah, Kevin Durant. And then the. And then the Knicks Last title was 52 years ago. So no matter what the Final Four in the NBA, we're going to get a new champion for half a century.
[06:12]
PFT Commenter
I don't think that Seattle would allow OKC to claim any of their past success.
[06:16]
Big Cat
Correct.
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PFT Commenter
I think they'd put up a pretty big fight for that.
[06:18]
Big Cat
Right. It's. It's obviously the same franchise, but it's not. So we're going to say three out of four have never won a title, and the fourth is the New York Knicks, who haven't won a title in 52 years. So parody is back. And it's just kind of cool because out of the. Maybe a passing of the torch. Sga, Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, Tyrese Halberton, one of those four is going to win their first NBA title.
[06:39]
PFT Commenter
It is pretty cool. It is pretty cool. And the Thunder, it looked like the series was just too long for the Nuggets. They were too old, too banged up. Aaron Gordon was playing on one and a half legs. Pretty much. He couldn't. He couldn't jump off his left leg.
[06:51]
Big Cat
What a beast.
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PFT Commenter
He's a beast.
[06:52]
Hank
Yeah.
[06:52]
Big Cat
And. And by the way, just to put it into perspective, Aaron Gordon played in Game 7 with a Grade 2 hammy. And if the Lakers were in this game, LeBron would still be two weeks away from coming back.
[07:03]
PFT Commenter
That's true.
[07:03]
Big Cat
Because LeBron, remember when he got hurt in the last game of the Lakers season? They for some reason put out a timetable for his return, which no one needed or asked for.
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PFT Commenter
Right. So the hypothetical return if they had won.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Here's what I would be able to do. Steph Curry had the same injury, didn't play at all.
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Big Cat
It's true.
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PFT Commenter
I missed a softball game with the same injury. Yeah, these are. These are all, like elite athletes that aren't able to will themselves to do it. And somehow Aaron Gordon was.
[07:27]
Big Cat
He led the game in rebounds. Pretty.
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PFT Commenter
Pretty incredible. And the final score won't tell you the full story because up until about three minutes left in the first first half, it was a one point game. And it was like, it looked like it was gonna be a defensive struggle. Looked like it was going to be an ugly game. The exact kind of game that I think the Nuggets would want to be in.
[07:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
That they might have a chance to win. And then in the last three minutes of that first half, it all fell apart. And I believe it was 42 to 41 with three minutes left in the second. Well, and then Oklahoma City went on an 18 to 5 run to close out the half. And then it was just never close from that point.
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Big Cat
Yeah, I was gonna say it all fell apart for the Nuggets. It all fell into plan. I feel like this series was the Thunder, like, growing up in front of our eyes because they had, in this series, they had the game three overtime game where it was like, ooh, is this moment too big for them? Then they come back, have the game four and five wins. Don't close it out in Denver, game six. And then even in game seven, the way this game started, they were down 10 almost, like, instantly. And you're like, oh, are they getting a little tight? Is this like a championship DNA kind of game? And then the Thunder again grow up. And like, that's a game where they're deep, they play defense. Like, I mean, it's insane watching them play defense. They are so good as a unit. Caruso is such a menace. There's a little bit. I know there's a lot of argument about fouls and all this. I enjoyed watching because I feel like Jokic and Crusoe were going back and forth, like they were both kind of being very physical. And I do think the Thunder have a little bit of the Seattle Seahawks. There's our football talk of, like, they can't call everything, but Caruso was such a tone setter and so good. And I. I threw out there on Thursday night. I believe that he's so underrated. And someone was like, dude, he's not underrated. He's, you know, been all defense a couple times. And I was thinking about it he is underrated because two franchises basically got rid of Caruso for nothing. The Lakers let him walk because they were cheap and didn't want to go in the luxury tax. And the Bulls didn't get a pick for him, even though they should have, because the Thunder, I think, have 7 billion picks. And Alex Crusoe is like, their Thunder are great as a team. And Alex Crusoe just takes that defense intensity to another level. And they are so fucking ferocious defensively. And shout out sga. Because I feel like he grew up as well. He went games 5, 6 and 7, 31 points, 32 points, 35 points. And he went game 5, 52% from the field, then game 6, 68% from the field, game 7, 63% from the field. The best player on the Thunder stepped up his game when they needed him to. And they had, like, you know, the role players step up today. The Thunder are so good. They are such a good team. And I don't even know, like, I don't even know where to start with the Thunder versus Wolves because both defenses are just going to eat each other alive.
[10:20]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it was one of those games where Caruso as a defender proved that he's worth everything that you're paying him. Then some. And I feel like the games that the Thunder as a team do really well are the games where Caruso is not like a top scorer.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
On the team. You know, the. The Alex Caruso games. I think we talked about them losing one of the Alex Caruso games.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Where he tried to bring him back at the end of the game. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. When he's just like, fighting people in the background when he's playing hard defense. Those are the games that. That fall into place for the Thunder. Yeah, they did kind of grow up. But again, it was a close game. It was. It was a very close game until the end of the first half.
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Big Cat
But can you call it a close game if it was only a close game for less than a half?
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PFT Commenter
No, it was.
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Big Cat
I don't think you can.
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PFT Commenter
I. I'm gonna say it was a close game until that's back to my point about just it being a long series for the older team.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And they seem to just run out of all the gas that they had stored up.
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Big Cat
Well, I mean, Thunder a better team. They were a better team. And I, like you go back to that Game three. Like, they. They. That's a game they could have won, should have won, and it could have been like, I do give the Nuggets a ton of Credit for even getting to game seven, because I do think they were overmatched, and they have a lot of questions going into this off season because you just, like, you got to get more help for Jokic. But Jokic. We love Jokic on this podcast. He's awesome. He could have played better this series.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
And I know that it, like, he needs probably, you know, a little more spacing and some more help, and. But Games four, he only took nine shots today. He was at the free throw line a lot. But game four and game seven. And again, this is all relative because Jokic, even in a bad game, still impacts the game in a way that few people do. But I think it's fair to hold him to the standard of best player in the world. And if he was the best player in the world, game four and seven, he could have played better, and they could have won this year.
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PFT Commenter
Would he have 20 points today?
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, 20. He has, like, flashes in these series where he'll, like, explode for 40. But he did not play up to his own standards, and that's a lot of.
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Big Cat
A lot of credit to the Thunder because they had him in a torture chamber.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. When Caruso was just banging with him down low, Jokic, he said, like, my last resort is I'm gonna have to flop against Alex Caruso.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And he got rewarded for it a little bit, but, yeah, he was. He was in. He was in a bad spot. He couldn't get it done all by himself. And Aaron Gordon, I think that that was the big difference in this game, because going into this game, well, they wouldn't have won.
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Big Cat
The Nuggets wouldn't have won with the healthy or Aaron Gordon. They lost by 35 points.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. But I'm just saying, into this game, The Nuggets were plus 32 with Gordon on the court and minus 68 when he was not on the court.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
So it makes a difference.
[12:51]
Big Cat
Of course.
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PFT Commenter
I'm just trying to give. I'm trying to give a little bit of context. Obviously, the Thunder were the better team in this series. It went seven.
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Big Cat
Yep.
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PFT Commenter
So it's not like it was a blowout one way or the other. It was a dominant game seven performance, for sure. But in context, I think that it was a closer series than. Than we're making it seem when we say that, like, no, I joke. It sucks. Yeah. And no, no, I didn't say Yokich sucked.
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Big Cat
Yeah. I said Jokic, if he's the best player in the world, he had two games in this series that if he had played better, they would have probably won the series. And again, he, he needs more help around him. I'm more saying, like, the conversation at Jokic's best player in the world. Best player in the world can sometimes be like, I'm going to take over this series and win this series.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, he didn't do that, and that didn't happen.
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Big Cat
He did not suck. Although game four, he sucked. He was like seven for 22. And again, I think it's the Thunder defense. They are so good defensively. And yeah, I mean, remember game one, because that feels like forever ago. That was a game the Thunder almost won in the, you know, crazy heroics at the end.
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PFT Commenter
They lucked into that one.
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Hank
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yeah. So I, I, I feel like the, the story of this series is not as much as, like, oh, man, the Nuggets are right there. I feel like it's. The Thunder grew up and like the demons of going through the wars in a playoffs and being a young team, they almost like, speed ran it in this series alone.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I, I have no idea what to expect at all from the Timberwolves Nuggets or Timberwolves Thunder series because that both teams play great defense. Both teams have emerging superstars that you, you think that you can trust that are fun to watch when they're great, but one of the guys is going to be obviously able to, to elevate their game to a next level, and the other's not.
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Big Cat
Yeah, and it's really going to.
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PFT Commenter
I have no idea which one's going to be.
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Big Cat
I think it's going to come down to the, the, the guys around him, like Jalen Williams today was, was awesome. And he, that's what the Thunder need is like the second guy who can step up. And Julius Randle has been awesome. So it's like the, the Wolves feel like they might have that. Did you guys see Jokic's quotes after I, I liked. He had two that I really enjoyed. One was, he was asked how this offseason would be compared to last off season. He said, the next couple of days is going to be a lot of beer, probably.
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PFT Commenter
Okay.
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Big Cat
Which, okay, that's relatable. There's a lot of beer. And then I really like this one. He was. Because this happens with every team when they lose. They get asked about, like, you know, window and all this stuff. So they asked him if, if this team can win a title, and he said, we didn't. I don't believe in if stuff. Mm, there it is. They didn't win a Title. You can't be like, can they win a title? They didn't win a title.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. No. They'll have to make some changes.
[15:28]
Big Cat
Yeah. But I really wish this game was better. That's all. Game 7.
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PFT Commenter
Scott Foster didn't do his fucking job. That's my problem.
[15:36]
Big Cat
Game sevens are. They need to. They need to always deliver. We don't talk enough about the bad game seven. The bad game sevens are the biggest. Bummer.
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PFT Commenter
There were a couple bad game sevens today.
[15:46]
Big Cat
Yeah. Although credit to the Thunder, I want to say, for anyone who had one tv, they. They did do a good job of, like, making a no doubter at the end of the first half and in the third quarter so that everyone could switch to the PGA Championship. That's for one tv. Guys.
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PFT Commenter
The problem was the PGA also became a no doubter at the same time that the basketball became a no doubter.
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Big Cat
Should we do our PGA recap right now?
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PFT Commenter
We can do that.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I was going to say embrace debate, Big cat. Is it better to lose in game six, like, get the kicked out of you, get your teeth stomped in, get your guts pulled out of your belly button, or than to go on to lose game seven and get the kicked out of you?
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Big Cat
How bad do you lose in game six?
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PFT Commenter
Game six is really bad.
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Big Cat
Like, it's worse loss for a defending champion in an elimination game ever. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
But it's also on a Friday, so it's kind of like a news dump.
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Big Cat
Got it.
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PFT Commenter
But Sundays in front of the world.
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Big Cat
Got it. Max, you didn't know that's. That.
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Max
No, that's good. Stat.
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PFT Commenter
Let's.
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Big Cat
Let's get.
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Max
Let's do pga.
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Big Cat
Okay.
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PFT Commenter
Okay.
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Big Cat
Pga. All right. So Scotty Scheffler. Incredible. Did you. So I was thinking about it. Do you think there's a. There's probably a few guys out there who timed their nap where they never thought this tournament was ever in doubt because they basically timed their nap and fell asleep in the middle portion of the day when John Rom tied it. And then they woke up and Jon Rom was like six shots back. You're like, oh, yeah, I knew I perfect nap.
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PFT Commenter
There was no.
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Big Cat
Knew that Scotty Shuffler was going to run away.
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PFT Commenter
There was no drama whatsoever in this for that guy. Yeah, it was tied. It was, in fact tied. And it was like, oh, is Scotty going to melt down? Is he going to fall apart? Had a couple bad bogeys on the front nine. And then Rom looked like he was being mentally strong.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And then everything bad possible happened to John Rahm. And Scotty just kept being. Scotty just dialed in. There was. We're going to get into. With smiling a little bit.
[17:36]
Big Cat
Let me do a full recap with smile.
[17:37]
PFT Commenter
Some controversy about Rory's driver and his driver face, but we have an update to that now.
[17:41]
Big Cat
Big. Oh, okay.
[17:42]
PFT Commenter
We have an update to the the driver that was pulled from Rory because the face was too thin on it. Scheffler. Scotty Scheffler, the champion, just admitted that his driver was also tested this week and did not comply. That he needed to switch drivers before the tournament.
[17:58]
Big Cat
Wow.
[17:58]
PFT Commenter
And he said, if we're going to do it right, we need to be more robust. Even test guys every single week.
[18:03]
Big Cat
Wow.
[18:03]
PFT Commenter
Every driver tested.
[18:05]
Big Cat
But he won.
[18:06]
PFT Commenter
But he won. But he talked to the media about getting the driver taken. He did not use the, the bad driver in this tournament.
[18:12]
Big Cat
Huh. Interesting.
[18:13]
PFT Commenter
Just an interesting point of fact.
[18:15]
Big Cat
I feel very vindicated that we rooted against Rory for the Masters after he didn't talk to the media. Any of the days that's, that should be illegal. You have to talk to the media.
[18:24]
PFT Commenter
We do.
[18:24]
Big Cat
How are we going to do our job?
[18:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, listen, we, we are actually the reason why the, why professional golfers exist.
[18:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[18:30]
PFT Commenter
Is us talking about the golfers.
[18:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[18:31]
PFT Commenter
That exist.
[18:32]
Big Cat
I, I, I, I love watching Scotty win. He's the man. It also just, like, from a personal perspective, the fact that, like, he's intimately knowledgeable of Stu Finer just makes it even better.
[18:43]
PFT Commenter
I was thinking about that.
[18:44]
Big Cat
Oh. I think about it every time he's leading in a big tournament. I'm just like, this guy fucking watches Stu Finer say, eat ass, lick clit. Yeah. Also, before going to church, massive respect.
[18:55]
PFT Commenter
To, to Mrs. Scheffler, because after Scotty makes the final putt on 18, the first thing she does, she's like, you take the baby.
[19:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[19:02]
PFT Commenter
Like, immediately, she's like, I've been carrying this baby around all day. You take the baby. He's your thing to deal with now. And then Scotty takes him into the clubhouse.
[19:10]
Big Cat
Yes.
[19:10]
PFT Commenter
And has to distract him with a hat and, like, another toy. Be like, hey, just focus on this real quick.
[19:15]
Big Cat
What?
[19:15]
PFT Commenter
I have to sign my scorecard for this major championship to count. Can, can you just look at this hat for a sec?
[19:21]
Big Cat
The most relatable dad moment. Because you do. Like, I remember once I was in a car with my kids and they were screaming bloody murder, and I got one of them to stop by, just handing them a bottle, and they just like, we're just playing with the actual empty Bottle. They just look at that was Scotty Sheffield being like, dude, notebook, hat. Those are your toys for the next three minutes. You got this.
[19:41]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[19:42]
Big Cat
And that will distract the kid for about three minutes. And then you got to find something else.
[19:46]
PFT Commenter
I've done that before, but with remotes where I'm like, here, look at this remote. And then they just pick it up and start hitting all the buttons. Yeah, yeah.
[19:53]
Big Cat
Remotes are dicey, though, because then you just change everything on your tv.
[19:56]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, well, it wasn't my tv, so it was like, free play.
[19:59]
Big Cat
Y. Yeah. But it was an awesome tournament. Hank, did you have any thoughts on the tournament? Yeah, it was awesome tournament for Scotty. It wasn't an awesome tournament in terms of, like, drama.
[20:08]
Hank
No, not a lot of good drama. I mean, Scotty going five under in his last five holes yesterday. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of guys who are like, all right, you know, they finished their round maybe a couple. Couple holes ahead of Scotty. Like, all right, I got a shot at this. And then they just see him come in, five under, four shot lead going into Sunday. Like, it's over.
[20:24]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[20:26]
Hank
Wanted John Rom to come back. I, I or I, I, you know, I wanted to be closer just for. Just for the drama, but I like seeing Scotty win.
[20:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[20:34]
PFT Commenter
I mean, on. On Sunday morning, when you can bet on it online, it was you. You couldn't even really bet on Scotty. The odds were just so crazy.
[20:40]
Big Cat
It was minus 450.
[20:41]
PFT Commenter
The first odd. That was. That was at the top of the screen was who was going to finish in second today.
[20:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[20:46]
PFT Commenter
And that became the new champion that you could bet on.
[20:48]
Big Cat
Yeah. And it was, it was all. I mean, we're. We will talk about it with Smiley, but I was. Scotty was, Was. Was in, like, seventh place, and he was plus 250. And I was just like this. It's just, it's almost like they knew Scotty's coming.
[21:01]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[21:02]
Big Cat
And there's nothing you can do about it.
[21:03]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[21:03]
Big Cat
And he was.
[21:04]
PFT Commenter
He was pumped when he won. Let us scream.
[21:07]
Big Cat
Kind of remember I said, I got. I got a little hate for my Take that Scotty had that moment in the Butler cabin where he was like, oh, it's on now. Because people were like, no, dude. He just wanted to get out of there and didn't want to take away from Rory's moment. I was like, this might be the you tour from Scotty. Looks like it might be on.
[21:24]
PFT Commenter
He looks pretty good.
[21:25]
Big Cat
Looks like it might be on.
[21:26]
PFT Commenter
So I.
[21:27]
Hank
Golden Slam. That'd be pretty cool.
[21:28]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[21:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I've. I've watched every major championship for the last, I'm gonna say, 15 years. I had forgotten that Scotty only won two.
[21:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[21:38]
PFT Commenter
It felt like he had won four.
[21:40]
Big Cat
Right. Because he wins everything else.
[21:41]
PFT Commenter
I know he wins every. Every other thing. And he's won two Masters and he's so dominant when he wins that you're just like, this guy is clearly the best golfer in the sport. I had completely forgotten that he had only won two. I knew he had the two Masters. I thought maybe, I don't know, maybe he had sprinkled in a PGA or US Open at some point. But, yeah, this. If there's one knock against Scotty Scheffler, how is he so good? He's only won three.
[22:02]
Big Cat
Well, here's the thing. The other part with Scotty is he looks like he's 40 years old. He's 28.
[22:07]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[22:07]
Big Cat
That's what everyone up and you're just like, you see, he. He has looked like he's a 40 year old man. And I don't say that in disrespectful way. He just has like a. He's kind of got like an air to him where it's like he's. He's 12 years younger than us. And I would call him sir.
[22:22]
PFT Commenter
What?
[22:22]
Big Cat
Really?
[22:23]
Hank
20, 22. Like, it wasn't that long.
[22:25]
Big Cat
Right? He's only. Yeah, 20. Yeah. 22 major starts. He's won three of them. So crazy.
[22:30]
PFT Commenter
So he's only. What's his age again?
[22:31]
Big Cat
He's 28. He's gonna be 29 in a month.
[22:33]
PFT Commenter
Okay. And John Rom is how old?
[22:35]
Big Cat
John Rom is also a sneaky John Rom.
[22:38]
PFT Commenter
I think he's 30.
[22:39]
Hank
Probably like 31.
[22:40]
PFT Commenter
John Rom is 30. So. So John Rom is younger than Hank.
[22:44]
Hank
Yeah.
[22:44]
PFT Commenter
And Scotty is younger than Max. That's crazy.
[22:47]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the young guns Scotty has looked. Yeah, he's just. He's just. He's had a man look about him. I don't know what it is. I think it's the beard.
[22:56]
PFT Commenter
It's the size.
[22:58]
Big Cat
It's the size. John Rom. Same thing.
[23:00]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. John Rom's got one of those faces that he could pass is like 45. I think they just got size to heft density. Scotty's also just too mature for his age.
[23:08]
Big Cat
Yeah, that too.
[23:09]
PFT Commenter
Do you think we're going to get a period where Scotty just goes absolutely wild?
[23:14]
Big Cat
No.
[23:14]
PFT Commenter
You don't think so?
[23:15]
Big Cat
I would say no.
[23:15]
PFT Commenter
I think we're gonna get a period where Scotty, like.
[23:18]
Hank
Well, that even entails.
[23:19]
PFT Commenter
It would be like, two. Two bottles of wine. Two bottles of wine.
[23:22]
Big Cat
I guess. Listen, we like Scotty, friend of the program, current guests. I guess you can't ever say no, because if you had the same conversation about Tiger woods in, like, 2006, people, like, no way.
[23:34]
PFT Commenter
I don't know.
[23:35]
Big Cat
But that's the truth. That was issue. That was marrying supermodel. I think Scotty is. Is a pretty safe bet that he. I feel like Scotty has, like, five best friends that he gets up with, and they're. They're those best friends don't even tell anyone that they're best friends with Scotty Shepard. Like, that's how. How good of, like an inner circle he has.
[23:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. If I was a sponsor, I would be just looking at Scotty Scheffler take all my money.
[23:59]
Big Cat
But you know what I'm saying? Like, Tiger did kind of ruin the whole Everybody's good. Every. Everyone, no matter what you're good to. To say that nothing will ever, you know, be bad about this.
[24:11]
PFT Commenter
Well, I mean, if we had had this exact same conversation, big cat, a year and a week ago, and we were to say, Scotty Scheffler, lifetime odds to ever be arrested.
[24:20]
Big Cat
True.
[24:20]
PFT Commenter
Plus 500,000, we would say, yeah, don't take that bet.
[24:24]
Big Cat
Yeah. This was his revenge.
[24:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it was.
[24:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. Nike put out an ad. Best golfer in the world, Question mark. Guilty. Pretty good ad. Pretty good ad. All right, so that was pga. Do you want to talk about this?
[24:38]
Hank
Game seven just ended.
[24:40]
PFT Commenter
Oh, Florida, Toronto.
[24:40]
Hank
Florida, Toronto.
[24:41]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bad game seven.
[24:43]
Big Cat
You want to do hockey?
[24:44]
Hank
Well, this game just ended.
[24:45]
Big Cat
All right, we'll do hockey. Let's do hockey. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[24:48]
PFT Commenter
Hank's just betting on that volcano in Yellowstone to erupt at some point before we get to the Celtics running out the clock.
[24:55]
Big Cat
Hockey Leafs. Turns out it wasn't their year.
[24:58]
PFT Commenter
Not their year. Panthers look great. The first period Leafs were okay, but once they. Once that ref got his face caved in by a stick, everything just tilted towards the Panthers. And the thing about the Leafs is if they. If you get two quick goals on them, they just crumble.
[25:13]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
[25:14]
PFT Commenter
They turn into the. The biggest pile of snot that you could see.
[25:17]
Big Cat
I feel like, though, even in the first period, the Leafs were kind of holding on, whereas, like, you saw the shots in the.
[25:23]
PFT Commenter
In the.
[25:23]
Big Cat
In the zone, like, the. The Panthers felt like it was not an if, just when. And I. The Panthers are a better team than the Leafs. And they are. They just want a cup. They played perfect hockey tonight. This was about a per. As perfect of a game seven as you can play. Doesn't help like Leafs fans dealing with this loss, but I don't think you can. This wasn't one of those Leafs choked haha Leafs choke seasons. They played a better team and went to seven games and lost.
[25:53]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Marshawn turns out was a great pickup by the Panthers.
[25:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. And then we also had the Stars.
[25:58]
PFT Commenter
What team let him go.
[26:00]
Hank
The Bruins traded them.
[26:01]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[26:03]
Big Cat
We also had.
[26:03]
Hank
He owns Toronto the Stars.
[26:06]
Big Cat
Awesome. Stars are very good. They finished that in six against the jets. Overtime winner. Which overtime winner to finish a series at home. What a. What a moment.
[26:17]
PFT Commenter
That has to feel pretty incredible.
[26:18]
Big Cat
Pretty. The Barn was rocking.
[26:21]
PFT Commenter
Pretty tough loss to bounce back from with a handshake line.
[26:24]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[26:24]
PFT Commenter
But you got to do it.
[26:25]
Big Cat
Yeah. Got to do it. Got to always do it. And now I'm outside of Carolina. Carolina. No offense to the Carolina Hurricanes, but after watching them play against your Caps, I don't like watching them play hockey.
[26:37]
PFT Commenter
Yep, that's fair.
[26:38]
Big Cat
I'm very excited for Stars Oilers. That's going to be awesome. And I'm excited that Biz is going to get his life back and maybe we'll like. Did you see? So we're going to have Biz on Wednesday show to talk about the conference finals credit to TNT because they'll just. They just let Biz do whatever he wanted. He was. Before the game tonight, he had a like candlelight vigil for the Maple Leafs and he was lighting the Leafs. Each candle being like, gotta get marner going. Light the candle. If you. If that was your first time tuning into hockey, you're like, this guy has lost his complete mind.
[27:13]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, listen.
[27:14]
Big Cat
But it was great tv.
[27:15]
PFT Commenter
He's like a fan, except he's only really been a fan of the team for a couple seasons.
[27:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[27:19]
PFT Commenter
But he's gotten like off the deep end for him. I. I do think that the Leafs discussion is going to be interesting this off season because they. They cannot come back with that same team. It's not gonna. It's not.
[27:29]
Big Cat
Again, the Panthers are so good.
[27:30]
PFT Commenter
They are. Bob.
[27:31]
Big Cat
Bob was. Yeah, Bob was locked in. Locked in. I thought for a second Oldie might have saved the Leafs going down to Florida for Game 6.
[27:39]
PFT Commenter
That was bullshit that they kicked Oldie out.
[27:41]
Big Cat
Did they actually kick him out because he shook hands with the police officer?
[27:44]
PFT Commenter
That's because he is the best at neutralizing any situation of anybody that I've ever met. In my true. Like, the cop went down there. He's. Hey, yeah, we've heard some complaints that there was a guy demonstrating side pouch up against the glass. We're gonna have to kick you out, sir. And then by the time they got to the top of the steps, the cop was probably like, hey, you want to come to my kid's birthday?
[28:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[28:01]
PFT Commenter
You seem like a fun guy.
[28:02]
Big Cat
I think he just got moved. I think his sections got moved. I don't think he actually got kicked out because he is that good.
[28:08]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[28:08]
Big Cat
He can neutralize anyone. What else, Hank? Oh, Preakness. I was gonna say incredible.
[28:16]
Hank
I think the. The Mark Scheifele.
[28:19]
Big Cat
Scheifele.
[28:19]
Hank
Story of the Jets. That was some things are bigger than sports time. He dad unexpectedly passed away before the game. He scores a play, scored a goal.
[28:27]
Big Cat
I know.
[28:28]
Hank
Handshake line after the game was waterwork city. That was. That was one of the. I mean, best, like, tears in your eyes handshake lines.
[28:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[28:39]
Hank
I've seen in a while.
[28:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[28:40]
PFT Commenter
I mean, that's unreal that he was able to do that.
[28:42]
Big Cat
Yeah. To play in that game. It's crazy. Bigger than sports. A lot of things are bigger than sports.
[28:47]
Hank
Yeah. Perspective.
[28:49]
Big Cat
Did you watch the Preakness?
[28:50]
Hank
I did watch the Preakness.
[28:51]
Big Cat
Journalism, Maybe the coolest stretch run there ever. He got bought. He got form. Tackle horse.
[28:59]
Hank
The guy that. The caddy. Cheater. Not the cat.
[29:01]
Big Cat
Yeah, the Caddy. Yeah. You know. You got it. The Caddy.
[29:05]
Hank
The jockey.
[29:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[29:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[29:07]
Hank
Was that just haters?
[29:08]
Big Cat
No, no, there was. There's some bumping and grinding.
[29:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, It's. It's how we. It's old school horse racing.
[29:12]
Big Cat
They were elbowing each other.
[29:14]
PFT Commenter
It's 1990s horse racing.
[29:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, but journalism, like, it was so cool to watch the last, I don't know, 100 yards where he. It looked like he had nitrous in his ass.
[29:26]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
[29:26]
Big Cat
He was going in a different speed than every other horse on the track.
[29:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. The jockey was saying afterwards, like, yeah, I've run this type of race with him before. He has that ability to do it. And it was. I'm glad that he won. Look at me.
[29:37]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[29:37]
PFT Commenter
That's some old school right there.
[29:39]
Big Cat
That's some bumping and grinding.
[29:40]
PFT Commenter
That's some full contact horse racing right there. Going up to the 18th fairway.
[29:43]
Big Cat
Yeah. It was fun. That was a fun race. You enjoyed it?
[29:47]
Hank
Yeah.
[29:47]
PFT Commenter
Were you happy for journalism?
[29:49]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[29:49]
Hank
I love journalism. Journalism.
[29:52]
Big Cat
Journalism. Ist. You love all of it. Yeah.
[29:57]
Hank
Did you guys see that foul on Angel Reese?
[29:59]
PFT Commenter
Let's say that. Let's say that.
[30:00]
Big Cat
Let's save that. Yeah. Why don't. Should we. Should we talk about Friday night?
[30:05]
Hank
The boat.
[30:07]
Big Cat
The boat.
[30:07]
Hank
Dumbo.
[30:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. That was crazy. That was Saturday night. The Mexican boat that ran into the Brooklyn Bridge. I think a couple people might have died. That was pretty sad. But Hank brought it up, not me.
[30:20]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, he said it was awesome, right?
[30:21]
Big Cat
Yeah. You said it was awesome.
[30:22]
Hank
Wild.
[30:23]
PFT Commenter
A couple people died.
[30:24]
Big Cat
Yeah, a couple people died.
[30:25]
Hank
It was awesome. It's not awesome.
[30:26]
PFT Commenter
It was a Mexican Navy training ship.
[30:28]
Hank
It's an insane video.
[30:30]
PFT Commenter
There's a lot of stuff going on with ships running the bridges these days.
[30:34]
Big Cat
Insane video.
[30:34]
PFT Commenter
What do you think about that?
[30:35]
Hank
I know, I know.
[30:36]
PFT Commenter
The first person I thought about this is sad. The point that Hank's broken my brain, but the first person I thought about when I saw this video was Hank and what kind of dots he's connecting to try to pull this all together.
[30:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[30:47]
PFT Commenter
So what's your theory?
[30:50]
Hank
I don't know. They're saying they lost power and just floated into the bridge.
[30:53]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[30:54]
Hank
Scary stuff.
[30:57]
Big Cat
Speaking of bridges, Mikhail Bridges plays for the Knicks.
[31:01]
Hank
He does.
[31:02]
Big Cat
And that was Friday night.
[31:03]
PFT Commenter
And that's where the videos from.
[31:06]
Big Cat
That was Friday nights. Should we talk about that game?
[31:10]
Hank
You guys see the Joe. Joe Biden.
[31:12]
Big Cat
Let's see how many things you can get.
[31:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[31:14]
Big Cat
Yeah. Empty the clip. Go ahead. Yeah. Joe Biden has cancer. Hope he. Hope he's okay.
[31:18]
Hank
Former president. Yeah.
[31:19]
Big Cat
Yep.
[31:19]
PFT Commenter
Prostate, stage four.
[31:22]
Big Cat
What else you got?
[31:23]
Hank
Paul Skeens struck out. Bryce Harper.
[31:25]
Big Cat
Yeah. Three fast. Yup. Okay.
[31:27]
Hank
Move.
[31:28]
Big Cat
Okay.
[31:29]
Hank
That was crazy.
[31:31]
Max
MLB debut, six inning, scoreless nine case.
[31:33]
Hank
Yeah.
[31:33]
PFT Commenter
That's cool.
[31:34]
Hank
Yeah, I was actually. That was gonna be my next.
[31:36]
Max
That was a way to get me going.
[31:37]
Big Cat
But yeah.
[31:38]
PFT Commenter
Anything else?
[31:40]
Big Cat
What else you got you want to do? Wnba. Yeah.
[31:44]
Hank
I mean, that was. That was a wild, wild opening night.
[31:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[31:48]
Hank
Like, at first I was kind of like, why are they. You know, there should be basketball on tonight. But they delayed it for the wnba. And it makes sense why they did. It was action everywhere.
[31:56]
Big Cat
I. I have. I. I think I'm addicted to WNBA discourse because that was the. That was the season. And I've never seen racism thrown on both sides so quickly. First game of the season, everyone was just calling each other racist. It was awesome.
[32:12]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[32:12]
Big Cat
So racism everywhere.
[32:14]
PFT Commenter
When it comes to Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese, there's a lot of people that don't care about the WNBA who have thoughts about the wnba.
[32:20]
Big Cat
Correct.
[32:21]
PFT Commenter
And there's also a lot of people that care very deeply about the WNBA that don't want all the discourse from their fan base growing to a point where it becomes. Where it reaches critical mass in America. Where you get rooting for your.
[32:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[32:35]
PFT Commenter
But here's the dirty secret is if you want to be a successful league, you have to reach that point where the world's biggest have very strong opinions about all your athletes.
[32:45]
Big Cat
Correct.
[32:45]
PFT Commenter
It's like a little catch 22. And it's. It's fun to see a league deal with those growing pains because obviously people are talking more about the WNBA in the last two years than they have in a very long time. And it's not to say that they didn't have fans. Their fans were just. It was a smaller group. And now it's. It made that leap all of a sudden to becoming a national talking point on not just sports media, but just mainstream media in general.
[33:10]
Big Cat
It's not. Yeah, it's. It's just race racism. And now every. Every game is a race war.
[33:14]
PFT Commenter
And now think about all the shitheads out there that pay attention to any sort of like, news. Like, if you deal with a national news program, you're reaching millions of people, a lot of whom are very dumb.
[33:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[33:26]
PFT Commenter
And now they're going to have strong takes on your sport. How do you deal with the idiots now becoming fans of your sport?
[33:32]
Big Cat
The. The foul in question was a regular foul.
[33:35]
PFT Commenter
I thought that was a pretty.
[33:36]
Big Cat
Right.
[33:36]
PFT Commenter
It was hard. She put some stank on it.
[33:38]
Big Cat
The only. The only criticism of Caitlin Clark fouling there was that Angel Reese misses a lot of layups. Should have let her shoot.
[33:43]
PFT Commenter
She probably would have missed it.
[33:44]
Big Cat
And that's my biggest takeaway from the Angel Reese verse. Caitlin Clark rivalry, if you want to call it that. I actually feel bad for Angel Reese at this point. And it has nothing to do with, like, how she's handled herself or anything. It's just simply Caitlin Clark is so much better than Angel Reese at basketball that it's not. It doesn't feel fair.
[34:03]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I think. I think Angel Reese is struggling with the fact that Caitlin Clark is. Is better at her best thing than she is.
[34:12]
Big Cat
She's better at everything. She had a triple double. She. She's tied for the third most triple doubles in. In WNBA history. And she's played 50 games.
[34:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[34:22]
Big Cat
She's just better.
[34:23]
PFT Commenter
And they don't like each other, which is, again, I think, good for the sport, great for this, that they don't like each other. But then how do you deal with having a bunch of weirdos out There. That now care very deeply about your sport.
[34:35]
Big Cat
Yes.
[34:35]
PFT Commenter
Without trying to actively push them away. Which is also a mistake.
[34:39]
Big Cat
Right.
[34:39]
PFT Commenter
To push away the attention that your sports getting.
[34:41]
Big Cat
Do you agree that, like, I. In a weird way, I feel bad for Andreessen, the fact that she. She wants a rivalry and she has history with Caitlin Clark, but it's. No. It's nowhere near equal footing in terms of play. And it's like almost an awkward fit. Like, Caitlin Clark needs a different rival because this one is just not fair.
[35:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Well, the thing that she does have, and I think this actually contributes to why she's really not having a good time with all the Caitlin Clark publicity, is the fact that they did beat Caitlin Clark in the championship in college.
[35:12]
Big Cat
Correct.
[35:13]
PFT Commenter
So she's got that in the back of her head now. She's struggling to realize that, oh, shit, she's way better than me.
[35:18]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[35:20]
PFT Commenter
And that's tough.
[35:20]
Big Cat
Triple double and tough on opening night.
[35:22]
PFT Commenter
And she's not going to be able to get over that.
[35:24]
Big Cat
And racism by everybody.
[35:25]
Tyler Phillips
Everyone.
[35:25]
PFT Commenter
Racism.
[35:26]
Big Cat
We had the LeBron is there. Was LeBron congratulating Caitlyn Reese and people being like, LeBron Clark or Caitlyn Clark. Caitlyn Reese. Thank you, Hank. You're. You're really sharp.
[35:36]
Hank
You're welcome.
[35:36]
Big Cat
Thank you. LeBron congratulating Caitlyn Clark. And everyone's like, lebron's a sellout. And then our guy, white boy Rick, saying Angel Reese can't. Is dribbling at her chin and then saying, he's racist. And I was like, I love all this. Everyone's racist on both sides.
[35:51]
PFT Commenter
I do love Angel Reese getting all those rebounds off her own missed layups, though.
[35:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[35:55]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[35:55]
PFT Commenter
It's fun to watch her miss, like, four in a row and get four rebounds in a row.
[35:59]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[35:59]
PFT Commenter
That's good basketball to me.
[36:00]
Big Cat
I just. I can't remember last story where we've had the equal claims of racism on both sides. And it's like, guys, it's. We're talking about basketball.
[36:08]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[36:08]
Big Cat
It's like, what are we even doing here?
[36:09]
PFT Commenter
But.
[36:10]
Big Cat
But people have just gone nuclear, and it's just so toxic that I. I'm addicted to it.
[36:14]
PFT Commenter
It's like Angel Reese is Caitlin Clark's Achilles heel.
[36:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. That was meant to.
[36:22]
PFT Commenter
Is it not?
[36:22]
Big Cat
Yeah, no, it is.
[36:23]
PFT Commenter
It's.
[36:23]
Big Cat
I think it's mean.
[36:24]
PFT Commenter
I think it's valid, but it was mean. You want to talk about Paul Skins again?
[36:31]
Hank
No, I mean, a little more. Like, a little more, you know, not as national sports podcast but, you know, local to us, Chicago Cubs swept the White Sox this weekend.
[36:40]
Big Cat
PCA is the man.
[36:41]
Hank
They're hot. Cubs are hot. Everyone's talking about it. Yeah. It's all the city's a buzz.
[36:45]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[36:46]
Hank
Cubs fever. Mm.
[36:48]
Big Cat
That's the game on Saturday. I love pca. I die for pca.
[36:52]
PFT Commenter
Do they call it a subway series here?
[36:54]
Big Cat
No.
[36:54]
PFT Commenter
What do they call it?
[36:56]
Big Cat
Just. It's just White Sox versus Cubs.
[36:59]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[36:59]
Big Cat
Subway. I mean, it is. It is connected by a subway, but it's that. I feel like subway series in New York. And it's L. They actually had a.
[37:09]
Hank
Subway series this weekend, too.
[37:10]
PFT Commenter
That's right. Yeah. People are mad.
[37:12]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. You got that.
[37:13]
PFT Commenter
People are mad at Juan Soto. Both sides are mad at once.
[37:15]
Hank
Yeah.
[37:17]
Big Cat
Classic. They tried to do a. They tried to do a trophy. I don't think they have it anymore. The Crosstown Classic trophy. It was so sad. It's a hot dog. When both teams were not good, and it was like they literally had a trophy, and it was just like, what. What is this?
[37:29]
PFT Commenter
It should be the bean. The beans should be their trophy.
[37:32]
Big Cat
Take a picture of cop Was so sad.
[37:35]
PFT Commenter
But, yeah. Yankees fans are pissed at Soto because he left and they booed him.
[37:38]
Big Cat
I actually, like, they might still do.
[37:39]
PFT Commenter
The response to it where he just tipped his hat to all the booing fans in right field.
[37:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[37:43]
PFT Commenter
He was just like, yeah, bring it on. Bring it on. And then now Met fans are mad because he didn't run out of the batter's box.
[37:48]
Big Cat
Yeah. And Yankees fans doing the. We're turning our back to him. That was kind of weird.
[37:53]
PFT Commenter
He doesn't care.
[37:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[37:54]
PFT Commenter
Also, he doesn't.
[37:55]
Big Cat
He doesn't really do anything.
[37:56]
PFT Commenter
He doesn't really owe you anything.
[37:58]
Big Cat
No.
[38:00]
PFT Commenter
Like, why would. Why would. Why is Juan Soto the bad guy in this situation?
[38:03]
Big Cat
Yeah. By the way, Max, he's looking out Crosstown Cup. The best part about the Crosstown cup is the tiebreaker would be who won it last year. So there were. There was a year where there was no winner. It was like, three. Three. But it was because the team had won it last year. They get to keep the cup. Fucking so stupid.
[38:20]
PFT Commenter
I love that.
[38:22]
Big Cat
So stupid. All right, Hank, what you gotta. I mean, what else you got? It's. I think it's time.
[38:30]
PFT Commenter
I got time.
[38:31]
Big Cat
It's time. It's time.
[38:34]
Max
We have a video pulled up of everything that Hank said. I want to know if we want to start.
[38:38]
Hank
We have.
[38:39]
Big Cat
I want to start with giving the Knicks their flowers.
[38:41]
Hank
Same.
[38:41]
Big Cat
I think we need to give The Knicks, their flowers, because I think. Think that's appropriate because the Knicks are shout out Knicks fans. They have gone through a lot of. They've seen some really bad basketball for a lot of years. I think there was a lot of weird gatekeeping going on on Friday night because Knicks fans were going crazy in the streets and like guys on billboards. I. This podcast is very much in favor of enjoying the ride. If you're a fan, you can't. You can't be like, oh, jobs not finished. Jobs not finished. For the players. The players should say, job's not finished. Jalen Brunson actually said that they had a team meeting after game five after they lost in Boston. Being like, that was piss poor effort. Jobs not finished. They didn't really celebrate. They said, if you watch, they celebrated game four victory a lot. And then they. On game six, they didn't really celebrate that much after on the court. The fans should celebrate. The fans should enjoy every moment of this and soak it in and have the best time ever. Especially like basketball and hockey. When the weather turns, there's no better celebration.
[39:44]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Shut down 7th Avenue. Climb up the foul poles.
[39:47]
Big Cat
It rocked.
[39:48]
PFT Commenter
High five. Timothy Chalamet is hanging out the side of a limousine.
[39:51]
Big Cat
Yep.
[39:52]
PFT Commenter
Do all that stuff. You should absolutely celebrate. You got to the Eastern Conference finals, which is obviously difficult to do.
[39:57]
Big Cat
First conference finals in 25 years.
[39:59]
PFT Commenter
First. Yeah, in 25 years. And you've got a very fun team to root for. A tough team, a mentally physically tough team.
[40:05]
Big Cat
I would say the toughest in the fact that you had. There was two. Two moments in. In on Friday night where I was like this. I mean, the game was over pretty quickly, but Mitchell Robinson basically playing defense on the entire Celtics team on that one possession where he was just hustling his ass off. And then Josh Hart having a triple double and like diving for offensive rebounds when they're up 40. This Knicks team has grit. They have guts. They have like, they. They've done a good job with their roster, making the moves they made. And yeah, there. And Jalen Brunson and I'm sure Knicks fans, I would. I would love for you to chime in and tell me if I'm close or where I'm at. What do you got memes? What are you pulling up? Langston Galloway, Alexi Shred, Andre Barnyani, Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas. Knicks fans have been through shit. This. This franchise has been a joke for a long time and they in New York cares about basketball. So them celebrating the way they did. I'll actually say. You know what? My only critique of New York on Friday night, you didn't go hard enough. I think you should have gone crazier.
[41:15]
PFT Commenter
I think that they, that you are well deserved to celebrate this. New York Knicks fan. And the team is fun to root for. They're so fun, in fact, that I find myself rooting for the New York Knicks, which is crazy. When you think that New York fans, they're also Rangers fans, they're also Yankees and Mets fans. It's insane. But this is a likable team.
[41:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[41:34]
PFT Commenter
And New York, somehow New York has become the underdog.
[41:37]
Big Cat
Well, we like living in New York. You know that. Like the Knicks. And it happens when there's one. When there's split teams everywhere in the city, like New York, where there's Mets and Yankees fans and jets and Giants fans, but New York is the one team that everyone gets behind. You know what I mean? Like, so the, the, the city does feel different when the Knicks are doing well. We didn't even get to see it. We saw a couple, like, runs. But Knicks fans, do not apologize for anything. Go as crazy as you want to go. Fucking talk any shit you want to talk. This is the whole point of playoffs and watching sports and watching, you know, Langston Galloway, you know, six years ago, seven years ago. This is the whole point, is that you get these moments and you should embrace it and enjoy it as much as you possibly can.
[42:23]
PFT Commenter
Two years ago, you were, your main focus was Charles Oakley getting kicked out of MSG for trying to fight your owner.
[42:28]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[42:28]
PFT Commenter
Now it's, you're in the Eastern Conference finals. And they. I appreciate also that New York did not give a. When the Nets were good.
[42:35]
Big Cat
No.
[42:36]
PFT Commenter
They're like, we don't care.
[42:37]
Big Cat
No.
[42:37]
PFT Commenter
But the Knicks, now, that's the stuff.
[42:39]
Big Cat
No, I remember I, I walked out of, I went to the game seven, the Kevin Durant foot on the line game, Bucks, Nets. And walking out of that game, there was like, a crossing guard who was a Knicks fan. He was just talking all this to the Nets fans. He's like, you guys suck. And everyone's like, dude, the Knicks suck. He's like, I don't care. At least we're not the Nets.
[42:59]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[43:00]
Big Cat
I have a question, though, and I'm sure memes you could chime in, but I want to hear from Knicks fans as well. I think Jalen Brunson is already top five. Nick. I think it's not, I, I, I think it's the, the, the list now is Patrick Ewing, Willis Reed and Clyde Frazier. And like then, then it's, and then it's like, yeah, Earl Pearl. And then like Melo is somewhere in there. Obviously Lynn Sanity has a special place in Knicks fans hearts, but I think he's a top five. He might be top four. He might be. He. The New York Knicks, in the last 20 years, before Brunson got there, they won eight playoff games. In the three seasons he's been a Knick, they've won 21 playoff games. And he's like, he's also, I think it's just like the undersized guard kind of thing that everyone can get behind. And second round pick, second round pick. Dallas like being like, now we're good. Which is still crazy.
[43:57]
PFT Commenter
Went to a small school, small school.
[44:00]
Big Cat
Not known for basketball.
[44:02]
Max
That, that part's wrong. But you can continue.
[44:04]
Big Cat
Yeah, no, I think he's, I think he's a top five Nick of all time in the three years that he's been there. And it's, he's, he's awesome and he's the heartbeat of that team. And yeah, they're fun to root for. And Tibbs is like, you know, he's tips, he's gonna, he had those guys in there with 40 minutes with, with 10 minutes left.
[44:22]
PFT Commenter
So like I said, the Knicks being scrappy underdogs, it's an interesting position for New York fans to be in. And Big Cat, do they lose that going up against the Pacers because they were going up against the defending champion. So it was, you know, it was easy to root for the Knicks against the Boston Celtics. For a lot of people out there that didn't have a dog in the fight going up against the Pacers, you think they lose that or do you think they just lean heavily, heavily into the past of like Reggie Miller versus the Knicks and they just stir up those old emotions.
[44:48]
Big Cat
Well, it is on tnt, so Reggie Miller will be calling the game, so we'll get a lot of that. It won't be the Stephen A. Smith Show. So I think I love this. I love the Eastern Conference final. There's like the, this is going to be bad blood city because these teams have legitimate real history. They played, I think it was like six times in eight years. In the 90s you had the John Starks headbutt of Reggie Miller, which was more of a Reggie Miller flop. You had the Reggie Miller eight points in nine seconds. You had the Larry Johnson four point play like you had the Reggie Miller doing the choke to Spike Lee. There's history between These two teams. So I'm excited. I think it's gonna be toxic. I think it's be like, people don't like the Pacers. People don't like the Knicks. There's going to be moments that everyone's going to be mad at each other because it's going to be awesome.
[45:38]
PFT Commenter
I think that the Knicks are fun to root for. But then you see. You see one or two examples of them celebrating this win that makes you think. I could see myself being. Being motivated to hate this fan base.
[45:49]
Big Cat
I'm going to take it on a game by game.
[45:50]
PFT Commenter
I could. I, I like rooting for the Knicks right now, but I can see a world in which I completely flip on them. And exhibit A might be your very own Knicks fan here.
[46:00]
Big Cat
Memes.
[46:00]
PFT Commenter
Memes. Yeah, Memes. And you should celebrate. Memes. You should celebrate memes. But you went on. You went on a war page.
[46:08]
Big Cat
Memes.
[46:08]
PFT Commenter
War path.
[46:09]
Big Cat
I wrote down what you did on Friday night. It was crazy, man. You went for. People don't follow us on social. Pardon my take.
[46:18]
Hank
First for the. For a little bit of back behind the scenes context. I texted the group text like congrats, memes. And I think he just said, stay offline for the next 24.
[46:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. He warned you. And then he went to do Hank is Bonnie Blue Twice.
[46:34]
Hank
Bonnie Blue. And Lily Phillips.
[46:35]
Big Cat
And Lily Phillips. They were calling him Bongi Blue. Bongi Blue.
[46:39]
Hank
That's great.
[46:40]
Big Cat
He did. He, he hit. He hit Max with a stray. He had the graphic ready for Cat. Being in the Eastern Conference for one year and already being in the Eastern Conference finals on his personal account. He had. I don't know if you saw this one. Pft. He had the Tropic Thunder, Ben Stiller holding Hank's decapitated head. Did you see that one?
[47:00]
Hank
I did, I did.
[47:01]
Big Cat
That one was good. But then memes. So we, we alluded to this when we were having dinner tonight and we're like, we're gonna have to discuss it. This one is crazy. This is just gruesome.
[47:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's good. That's good stuff.
[47:11]
Big Cat
It's crazy. You just, you have some deep seated against Hank.
[47:15]
PFT Commenter
I mean, you could tell that this was. This was something that memes put a lot of effort into because I don't think, I don't think you did a Max Photoshop.
[47:23]
Big Cat
No.
[47:23]
PFT Commenter
You didn't put Max's face on anybody.
[47:24]
Big Cat
That's a great point.
[47:25]
PFT Commenter
You weren't even. Hey.
[47:27]
Big Cat
Off the prize.
[47:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Memes. If. If the Knicks lose in the Eastern Conference finals, You have to do the Statue of Liberty with Max's face.
[47:33]
Big Cat
Oh, deal. All right, so. And then I. I want to get to the video, but I have to. I have to question one thing. Memes. Yes. Because you were just taking shots. Shot. Shots. The Banner 19 one made no sense. What do you mean, the Banner 19? The Celtics 40 in the regular season versus the Knicks. What Celtics fan ever said like. Like was like, hey, we're four against the Knicks. Hank. He did. Yeah, but he raised the banner 19.
[48:04]
PFT Commenter
There were a lot of. A lot of fans of the thunder of the Celtics bringing up regular season records.
[48:10]
Big Cat
Okay. All right.
[48:11]
PFT Commenter
So they play and the Cavs, too. It was like those three teams beat the. Out of the Knicks in the regular season. So I. I understand that that was.
[48:18]
Big Cat
The only one that I was like, wait, what? But I guess you had context there because you. You take meticulous notes and you're always ready for this. So do you want to play the clip that you. You were in your bag. You did a compilation for Hank Tank. Did you watch this?
[48:32]
Hank
I think I got like 10 seconds through.
[48:34]
Big Cat
Oh, okay. So now you're gonna have to watch it like clockwork orange.
[48:37]
Max
We don't have to watch the whole.
[48:40]
PFT Commenter
Thing. Let's watch the whole thing. Thing. That was nice, Max trying to save Hank. But today it was reported that cat is gonna. On Friday, it was reported that cat is going to be traded to the Knicks. Hank, how do you feel about this trade?
[48:54]
Hank
I don't think it affects much. I think New York's gonna eat cat alive to the cat's point. Solid team. Great. Embiid will probably take his knees out as well, and I'm not worried about them in the playoffs. Let's just fast forward to the finals. We all. It's. It's Celtics. That was satire. That was pft. That was.
[49:19]
Big Cat
That was.
[49:19]
PFT Commenter
Not worried about the Knicks.
[49:21]
Hank
Not worried about the Knicks. Even if we lose, I'll say it right now, if somehow we lose game one, we could lose two games. And I wouldn't be worried.
[49:29]
PFT Commenter
If you go down to 0202.
[49:31]
Hank
Not worried. Celtics aren't afraid of anyone. Fully held. These Celtics beat anyone that still could.
[49:43]
Big Cat
You were down 3:1.
[49:44]
Hank
That could still be the national media this week, this past week saying that the Knicks were actually going to be, you know, a good test for the Celtics. They might be coming for the title. They played cel. They played on Sunday, and the Celtics waxed them.
[50:01]
Big Cat
You blew it.
[50:03]
PFT Commenter
What do you think about the Knicks?
[50:05]
Big Cat
They're. They're not gonna go anywhere. It does feel like they're still away from the Celtics and the Cavs, right?
[50:16]
Hank
Far away.
[50:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. Does that do anything for you?
[50:22]
Hank
Yeah. Not clutch at all.
[50:26]
Big Cat
What a job. Idiot.
[50:28]
PFT Commenter
Hank, when you say that.
[50:30]
Big Cat
Stop.
[50:30]
PFT Commenter
You have the Knicks. Do you have no Knicks or do the Knicks get you? Because after the game, the Knicks fans, they were outside MSG and you know what they were chanting?
[50:41]
Hank
What?
[50:41]
PFT Commenter
We want Boston. We want Boston. We want Boston.
[50:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[50:46]
Hank
They don't have a choice.
[50:47]
Big Cat
Yeah, but sure.
[50:47]
PFT Commenter
So they. They got you.
[50:49]
Hank
I think we have an amazing perimeter defense. I think we're gonna lock them up and make. Make other players beat us. And the Knicks don't have those players.
[50:55]
PFT Commenter
Who's got the better Jalen?
[50:58]
Hank
Celtics. I feel good. I'm happy. I said I wouldn't be worried if they went down O2. They came, they came out, they showed what they needed to do. I feel like that's going to be. They're going to win this series in six.
[51:13]
Big Cat
Oh, so that's it. That's it for the Knicks.
[51:15]
Hank
Yeah.
[51:18]
Big Cat
Listen, I didn't think the Knicks were going to be in the Eastern Conference final, but Hank, you never. Let's talk about this from your perspective. You never led this series and you also called this series over twice.
[51:31]
Hank
I did. I got a little bit ahead of myself when I said that I wouldn't be worried if they were down.02. I didn't think there was a prayer like a chance in hell that they would lose one game, let alone two in a row. So that didn't look great. And then, yeah, I mean, obviously before the injury, I felt, I felt good about our team coming back. Yeah, they probably still would have lost game four even if Tatum was fully healthy. So that was wrong too. I give credit to the Knicks like they. Jalen Brunson that take the most incorrect take in that clip is me saying, not clutch at all. He is unbelievable. He took over multiple games. Fun to watch.
[52:08]
Big Cat
Also knows how to dribble with his.
[52:09]
Hank
Left hand a little bit while he's a lefty.
[52:10]
Big Cat
Well, but still a little bit of.
[52:12]
Hank
You know, got to work on some flopping. But that's NBA. That's an NBA thing across, across the board. Like players flop a little bit too much. But he's, he's a really good player. Mikhail Bridges, again, give him credit. He hit every single mid range shot like he was everywhere. Hit shots when he needed to. And the Knicks beat us. I think the, the, the talking heads in the national media saying the Celtics might be better Without Jason Tatum clearly, you know, got shown to be complete idiots and fools.
[52:39]
Max
One and one without one and one.
[52:42]
PFT Commenter
That's a good point.
[52:43]
Hank
One and two in the playoffs.
[52:47]
Big Cat
In.
[52:47]
Max
This series, one and one.
[52:48]
Hank
But one and two in the playoffs.
[52:50]
Big Cat
What. What about when we started the playoffs? You said over under two and a half losses before the finals. You said take the under you ended up having.
[53:02]
PFT Commenter
Was that in one series or was that the full five losses?
[53:05]
Big Cat
Five losses. So you had.
[53:06]
Hank
Yeah, well, I did say multiple.
[53:08]
Big Cat
You did hate 6 and 5. And I said 6 and 5.
[53:11]
Hank
I said, I said if the. I said the Celtics are fully healthy, they're not going to lose championship. That obviously, you know, we lost one of the best players in the league in the world. So it's tough to come back from that. We did our best. We'll always have game five. That was fun. But now the off season's here. It's. It's sad. It's end of an era. A lot of people being really mean online. I'm not. I don't let that get to me, though. I don't. I don't. You know, everyone has to deal with it, but people are nasty. Means. Especially Jerry o' Connell. Especially. That's fine. You know, you gotta, you know. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
[53:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[53:45]
Hank
No longer, unfortunately.
[53:46]
PFT Commenter
Well, no, you still do.
[53:47]
Big Cat
Yeah. There's not a new champion.
[53:49]
PFT Commenter
You have the crown.
[53:50]
Hank
No.
[53:51]
Max
Let's talk more about the offseason.
[53:52]
Hank
The crown is dead. Like the. The king is. It's. We're. We're in. Was it conclave or conclave, do you think?
[53:58]
Big Cat
Can I ask you this question?
[53:59]
Hank
Yeah.
[54:01]
Big Cat
Are the Knicks a better team than the Celtics?
[54:04]
Hank
The Knicks were the better team than the Celtics.
[54:07]
Big Cat
They are a better team than the Celtics.
[54:08]
Hank
Yeah. I mean, you can't. I can't. I'm not going to argue that because.
[54:11]
Big Cat
I was wrong too. I thought the Knicks. I did not think the Knicks would be in the Eastern Conference finals. They greatly.
[54:16]
Hank
I don't want to say the S word again because it got taken as an insult. Say they're scrappy.
[54:22]
Big Cat
Like, yeah, team to get to the Eastern Conference final.
[54:27]
PFT Commenter
I was so cute how you guys beat the.
[54:28]
Big Cat
Out of this. Yeah.
[54:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Good for you.
[54:30]
Big Cat
What happened Friday night? Let's talk Friday night. Because. Because it, it somehow this series not having a single show night was crazy. We had Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
[54:42]
Hank
That was really unfortunate. I mean, the game, they just, they. They came out so flat. So, so flat. I think there was just a lot of pressure and shots weren't going in. And the Knicks just took like, just dominated second quarter. It was over like the way they closed the first half. They're down 27 at halftime. It was, it was over. It was never even like I think the first quarter was, was somewhat close. We stayed in it, but after that second quarter run, never felt like we had a chance of coming back.
[55:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[55:14]
Hank
I still Bly bet them like five times but.
[55:16]
PFT Commenter
Oh, I think that this was great for the Boston New York rivalry, I guess.
[55:21]
Hank
Yeah. Because it's a rivalry now.
[55:23]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[55:23]
Hank
Yeah. Back. The Knicks have, have, have woken up.
[55:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. What do you think about Cat? Cat was wearing a Boston shirt today.
[55:30]
Tyler Phillips
He was.
[55:31]
Hank
That's. I respect, I respect that. I respect that shirt.
[55:34]
Big Cat
It was that clip of Cat after.
[55:36]
Hank
Too, talking like he's from New York.
[55:38]
Big Cat
Well, he's from New Jersey. Yeah. But yeah, he, he might have changed his, the tone of his voice changed a little.
[55:46]
Hank
Yeah, no, it's good for the rivalry. It's good for the rivalry. You know, it, it gives the guy some fire in the off season. If the Knicks, you know, go on to win the championship, it'll give him even more fire. It's good for the rivalry and you know, we gotta just get better in the offseason and try and get back next year.
[56:03]
PFT Commenter
So about that because I'm, I'm kind of glad in this way that we didn't have a show on game night. Now you've had some time to. And you've really thought about how bad things could look next year for you personally. So where do you see this team going this off season?
[56:16]
Big Cat
Max just nodded and went like this. Good point. Wait, wait, wait.
[56:21]
PFT Commenter
Hank, Hank, we'll get to you in a second. Max, how good was that point that I just made?
[56:25]
Big Cat
Great point, I guess.
[56:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[56:28]
Max
Yeah. Because I, we.
[56:29]
Big Cat
It needs to be talked because there's.
[56:30]
PFT Commenter
A lot, listen, credit to the old owners of the Celtics because they did what I think most of us would have done, which is let's just give out some contracts before we sell the team. We're not going to have to pay him. And then somebody buys a team and now you're talking luxury tax. You're talking all these superstars, all these great players.
[56:46]
Hank
New owner is a Boston guy, so maybe he kind of just does the same thing where he's like, fuck it, let's just do whatever it takes to win. I thankfully, unlike, you know, the Sixers organization being a dysfunctional shit show, the Celtics are a great top down organization. I do trust Brad Stevens. I do Feel like they're gonna go for a route where they, you know, start stockpiling, like trading. Trading away players, going young. So you're in a reboot, getting picks, I think. I don't know. It's.
[57:18]
Max
It's crazy process.
[57:20]
Big Cat
Are you ready to announce the rebuild?
[57:22]
PFT Commenter
It's crazy to say.
[57:25]
Hank
Someone needs to figure out how we can keep Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum and still have good enough players around them to compete. I have, from what I've seen, again, not a math guy, not a luxury tax guy, not a contracts guy.
[57:36]
PFT Commenter
It's just not a tax guy.
[57:37]
Hank
It doesn't not attack at all. It doesn't. Look, I can't wrap my head around it yet. If someone can explain to me how we're able to do that and, like, not just have all of our money with two players and then kind of get stuck with guys around them, I would, you know, be open to that information.
[57:54]
Big Cat
Max has a question.
[57:55]
Max
Talking about these two players. Are both of those players playing next year?
[57:58]
Hank
Year they're gonna be on the roster?
[58:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[58:01]
Hank
I don't know.
[58:02]
Big Cat
That's.
[58:03]
Max
What. That's different.
[58:04]
Big Cat
That's two different things.
[58:05]
PFT Commenter
It's also a bad question because they still. They have them on the roster for next year, but.
[58:10]
Max
Okay, that's fair.
[58:11]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. When one's not gonna play because he's hurt, but he's still gonna get paid. Yeah.
[58:15]
Max
No, but I'm saying, like, you don't know how, when, if the player's not playing.
[58:20]
PFT Commenter
What do you think about the allegations that the Sixers are in a worse spot than the Celtics are?
[58:26]
Max
Are you asking me that question?
[58:27]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[58:28]
PFT Commenter
Well, Hank. Hank asked it, and so I'm relaying Hank's question to you.
[58:33]
Big Cat
Hank said they're not the Sixers.
[58:35]
Hank
Tatum is going to be out for you.
[58:37]
Big Cat
Well, it's an Achilles injury, so we have an idea.
[58:39]
Hank
But they say, you know, he got the surgery really quick. That's a good sign.
[58:42]
Big Cat
So what do you think?
[58:43]
Hank
I don't know.
[58:44]
PFT Commenter
Those two days difference, I'm gonna.
[58:48]
Hank
Because it would make no sense to come back at the end of the season, correct.
[58:51]
PFT Commenter
I think Dr. Dr. Bing Bong ruled him out for all next year.
[58:55]
Big Cat
He also has some thought on Kristoffs, but it's not for air.
[58:59]
Hank
That's sick. Would love to be a part of one of those inside joke text messages one day.
[59:03]
Big Cat
Well, no, I just said it's not for air.
[59:05]
PFT Commenter
He's got swine flu.
[59:06]
Big Cat
Yeah. Got attacked by a bear.
[59:10]
Hank
We'll see. I trust Brad Stevens with my Life, But I'm leaning towards.
[59:18]
Big Cat
Rebuild.
[59:19]
Hank
Ish.
[59:19]
PFT Commenter
Wow, that's crazy.
[59:21]
Big Cat
You just hit the rebuild button. Ish. Probably memes make a graphic. He hit the rebuild button. Memes. How happy are you right now? How awesome was Friday for you?
[59:31]
PFT Commenter
Friday was one of the greatest sports.
[59:32]
Big Cat
Moments I've had in a while. Well, Mets last year and then this. Yeah. And you just were locked in. I was dialed.
[59:39]
PFT Commenter
I. I said to our production group chat, I was just like, there's a 10 chance I get fired. Memes. How long did it take for you? Like, when did you start compiling the list of that you're going to put out? The instant that the Celtics.
[59:55]
Big Cat
It was after the Knicks went up three. One.
[59:58]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[59:59]
Big Cat
I texted Pug and Jack. I said, go back to October 2nd.
[60:03]
PFT Commenter
And get a cat take and then start compiling. That's pretty reasonable. And to be fair to Hank, there's a good clip to take. Good work Hank's side just a little bit. When Hank said that he would not be worried if they went down O2, he never actually thought that they would be down 02.
[60:18]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[60:18]
Hank
No.
[60:18]
PFT Commenter
So it was really easy for him to say that in the moment. Moment.
[60:21]
Big Cat
As someone who's been on the other side of one of those memes joints, they hurt. But it's also like a hat tip. Like, you did your job, man.
[60:29]
Hank
I also respect, like, as. As much as I want to chirp and I. I do still want to chirp, I respect the fact that, like, Memes does his best work strictly fueled by hate.
[60:38]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
[60:39]
Hank
Like, that's not like, if it wasn't the Knicks or it wasn't me. No one's doing that much work to go back and make that.
[60:46]
Big Cat
No, no, no. If the Knicks beat the Pacers to go to the NBA Finals is not going to be. It's going to be like, yay.
[60:54]
PFT Commenter
The two Bonnie blues was a bit much.
[60:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. The first body blue. The first body blue. I gasped a little, and then when.
[60:59]
Hank
I saw what's the other.
[61:02]
Big Cat
I saw the second body blue hit the tower. I was like, oh, my God.
[61:06]
Hank
It didn't even make sense.
[61:07]
Max
I think we could have used all of the Bonnie blue.
[61:09]
Big Cat
Do you have a Bonnie blue that you. You kept in the chamber? No, it was just. It was just the two Bonnie blues. What's. Is there any that you kept in the chamber that you would like to release right now? Because then people can see it and then hear this point in the podcast.
[61:23]
PFT Commenter
No, no.
[61:24]
Big Cat
The. The two Bonnie blues I felt was the line. Yeah, but you don't have anything saved? No. Anything that you were, like, thinking about because you didn't even put this one on the main. The Ben Stiller Hank decapitated. Yeah, I felt that.
[61:36]
PFT Commenter
That was too graphic for the.
[61:41]
Big Cat
Body. Hank, you look hot as pipe.
[61:45]
PFT Commenter
I think it looks hotter as Lily Phillips.
[61:47]
Big Cat
Hank. All right, Spin zone time. Summer's kind of opened up.
[61:52]
Hank
Doesn't matter.
[61:53]
Big Cat
But summer's kind of opened up. You don't have to. Don't have to do the duck boats. Don't have to make any trips to the wood.
[62:00]
PFT Commenter
Keep your hair.
[62:01]
Big Cat
Extra gall.
[62:02]
Hank
No, I was looking forward to the skull it. I've been. I've been planning out the skullet with.
[62:06]
Big Cat
Give it to us anyway.
[62:07]
Hank
I might. Because. Because that's maybe a little bit too cocky, but we've been. I've. You know, for the last three months. I'm like, let's keep the back long. I got to get a skullet.
[62:15]
Big Cat
It. Give it to us.
[62:16]
Hank
Doesn't matter.
[62:17]
Big Cat
You know, a little bit of, you know, you got less travel, more golf.
[62:21]
PFT Commenter
Did you play a sad round of golf on Saturday?
[62:24]
Hank
I played. No. No, I did not really affect.
[62:28]
Big Cat
What did you do Saturday?
[62:29]
Hank
I just went out. My cousin was in town.
[62:31]
Big Cat
Nice.
[62:32]
Hank
Hit the bars.
[62:33]
Big Cat
What did you do on Friday?
[62:35]
Hank
Friday I golfed.
[62:36]
Big Cat
But Friday night.
[62:38]
Hank
Friday night, I just sat on my couch.
[62:41]
Big Cat
Sad.
[62:42]
Hank
Feel like all the losses. I've just been on that couch. It's been a sad, sad couple weeks for my couch.
[62:48]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[62:48]
PFT Commenter
Do you regret not going to the New York office and streaming there?
[62:52]
Hank
No. I would have if that's what I was asked to do. But, you know, I knew Clemmer had that.
[62:56]
Big Cat
Tim.
[62:56]
Hank
Tim was on the wood, so.
[62:58]
Big Cat
Yeah. Also me, maybe.
[63:01]
Hank
Maybe the biggest piece of move memes did was Dave. Like I said, Dave threw me under the bus saying that to Chow. Maybe like, this guy called you performative. And I said in real time. I'm like, I don't think I said that. I don't remember saying that.
[63:11]
Kyle Stowers
That.
[63:11]
Hank
Then I texted the group tax. I was like, memes. I say this. And he just responded, yes.
[63:15]
Big Cat
So I said that.
[63:16]
Hank
I was like, yeah, my bad. I did say that. I don't remember it. I said it on the show. I don't remember saying that. And then after, I was like, can I see that clip, by the way? Because I really don't remember. He's like, oh, no, you didn't say it. That was up.
[63:27]
Big Cat
So Chalamet. The Chalamet rivalry, He just dominated you? Yeah. Yeah.
[63:32]
Hank
Guys got it all.
[63:33]
Big Cat
He's got it all.
[63:33]
Hank
I'll give a hand up, Chalamet. You got me this time.
[63:37]
Big Cat
I bet you he doesn't have a sad couch.
[63:40]
Hank
No, no. Probably couch. Yeah, his couch is probably awesome.
[63:43]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[63:44]
Big Cat
So at least you got that over.
[63:46]
Hank
Yeah, no, it went from, you know, me and Dave to bad Bunny and, like, the best night ever in New York. Like, the clip of him in the limo is awesome.
[63:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. He's the man.
[63:56]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[63:56]
Hank
Yeah.
[63:58]
PFT Commenter
I love that he actually cares about his teams. Like, you can tell that he really.
[64:01]
Hank
Does brought up Chris Duha, and that's what I knew.
[64:04]
Big Cat
He's the man. Yeah. There's the old picture of him rushing to Grand Central to get free pictures or free tickets from.
[64:11]
Hank
Who is that Mari Stottmayer?
[64:14]
Big Cat
No, it's like Landry Fields. Yeah, it's great. So. All right, reset button, rebuild button.
[64:26]
PFT Commenter
That's it.
[64:27]
Hank
Yeah. Just hopefully our. Our new owner is like, Daddy Warbucks, like, part two.
[64:33]
PFT Commenter
Is it Billy Strings, do you regret.
[64:34]
Big Cat
Calling this series over twice, that you were never leading?
[64:38]
Hank
Yeah. Yeah, I do. The two. One was probably. I got a little ahead of myself.
[64:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[64:44]
Hank
And then I was. I. I will say, like, I was fully. You know, I was in full denial and just really. Just trying to. To procrastinate things after the. The Wood game. Game five, that was. I was probably over. Over extending myself.
[65:00]
Big Cat
You didn't want game six to happen. Happen. You didn't want to get to game.
[65:03]
Hank
I was. Yeah. I was just so happy with. With how things went.
[65:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[65:06]
Hank
Game five, and I want to just bottle up that feeling forever.
[65:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[65:10]
PFT Commenter
What would you do this off season, Hank, if you own the team?
[65:13]
Big Cat
Golf.
[65:14]
Hank
If I own the team, I would just golf. Spend a lot of money.
[65:19]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[65:20]
Hank
I'll blow it all. A lot of golf.
[65:23]
Big Cat
A lot of golf.
[65:24]
Hank
That's the thing. Like, Celtics are no soldiers. I'm playing a lot of calls.
[65:28]
Big Cat
Yeah, no, I know, but.
[65:29]
Hank
But, like, it's not like all the Celtics here seasons. More golf.
[65:34]
Big Cat
Like, there was going, I'm gonna play.
[65:35]
Hank
The same amount of golf. Maybe just not go to the games.
[65:38]
Big Cat
Right. You were gonna have to. You were gonna have to go sit court side in an NBA playoff game, which would have been brutal. Yeah. You're gonna have to go on the duck boat and get drunk with Joe Missoula. You were gonna have to do a lot of stuff. Now you don't have to do it.
[65:49]
PFT Commenter
Have you looked up golf courses in Indiana because you're, like, playing the Pacers. Let's see if there's Something close by.
[65:55]
Hank
No, no, I did not do that.
[65:56]
Big Cat
He could have gone to games there.
[65:58]
Hank
Yeah, that would have been cool.
[65:59]
Big Cat
Oh, man.
[66:00]
Hank
Would have been cool.
[66:01]
Big Cat
I'm excited for Pacers, Knicks.
[66:03]
PFT Commenter
I'm excited for how much golf Hanks gonna get to play. Yeah.
[66:05]
Big Cat
Max, how are you? You're. Max is mad. Max was mad that it was a Friday night game.
[66:10]
Max
Yeah, no, it's. I've. This isn't the same reaction that we would have gotten on Friday.
[66:15]
Hank
Nope.
[66:16]
Kyle Stowers
Friday night.
[66:16]
Max
No, dude, we would have got tears. It would have been so embarrassing. You would have been so upset. It's. You had two days to, like, not even think about it. That sucks. But I am happy that you're. And the Celtics are going forward and.
[66:31]
Hank
But we're.
[66:32]
Big Cat
You.
[66:32]
Hank
That's the thing. We're gonna be back sooner than the Sixers.
[66:35]
Max
Oh, let's start another clip. Because everything that you say is wrong.
[66:44]
Hank
The booth has. The booth.
[66:45]
Big Cat
They have your number right now. This is the booth's revenge.
[66:48]
Max
Yeah, like, you keep calling me a loser. I literally just won a Super Bowl. He's got you there, dude.
[66:54]
PFT Commenter
It's been a while since Hank's been right about anything.
[66:56]
Big Cat
Oh, man, this is brutal. The boot. Hank never been in this position where the booth has owned his ass.
[67:03]
Hank
No. Yeah, it sucks. Sucks.
[67:07]
Big Cat
They're laughing. They're having the time of their life. This is why you lift all those weights, boys. This is why you stay up till 4 or 5 in the morning editing the podcast for this moment. This is.
[67:17]
Max
That's probably the last time, like, Boston was, like, good. Actually. That's not true. Celtic.
[67:20]
Tyler Phillips
Just one.
[67:23]
Big Cat
All right. Max went too long. I have one last question. Just a thought. Starter question, then we'll do who's back. We'll get to our interviews. So the Knicks fans going crazy was awesome on Friday night. I think the Knicks might be the number one city to proverbially burn down in a championship. And I was thinking about this. So obviously you could throw in the Browns or the Lions or the Bills, but those teams play winter sports. It's definitely different if you win a Super Bowl. Like, it just is. Versus winning an NBA or Stanley cup. And it's nice out and everyone just takes the streets. The only other one I could think of is the Toronto Maple Leaf.
[68:05]
Hank
That was going to be my.
[68:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, maybe I would put. I would definitely put the Browns on there. Even though it's the wintertime, the river catches on fire.
[68:12]
Big Cat
Yes.
[68:12]
PFT Commenter
That city is very flammable. I would also say Montreal, because Montreal has A culture where it's like, you riot after good things happen to you.
[68:20]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[68:20]
PFT Commenter
Like in Europe.
[68:21]
Big Cat
But the Knicks might be number one right now of city to burn to proverbially. But not actually burned down, but like, just the most chaotic scenes possible after a champ.
[68:30]
PFT Commenter
What would be great about New York is that you get, you get snippets from, like, seven different neighborhoods.
[68:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[68:34]
PFT Commenter
All celebrating in their own crazy ways.
[68:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[68:38]
Hank
I will say that I, I've given some thought about the rest of the playoffs.
[68:42]
Big Cat
Yes. Oh, this is good. This is a big announcement.
[68:44]
PFT Commenter
You said that you weren't going to watch the rest of the playoffs.
[68:46]
Hank
I will. No, I, I, I will even. I'll say. I will say after.
[68:50]
Big Cat
I hope so. We, we have a sports.
[68:51]
Hank
Yeah, no, I know. And after, after Tatum's injury, like, I, you know, watching the games, I was just kind of like, damn this. I, As a neutral fan, I don't think we're going to play the Thunder or, you know, the Nuggets or the Timberwolves. Like, I will be rooting for the Knicks to win the Eastern Conference.
[69:05]
Big Cat
Ooh, that's huge.
[69:06]
Hank
And I will be rooting for the Thunder. Alex Caruso, really, the only connection, you know, within the world is the Thunder. He's super fun to watch, play, great recurring guest, friend of the program, loves golf. I'm, I'm pulling for him.
[69:20]
Big Cat
I literally texted Caruso after game seven. I was like, dude, you're, you're my playoff team. Yeah. You personally are my playoff. Yeah.
[69:27]
Hank
As I was watching, I was like, yeah, yeah. Caruso, like, guy's a man. I hope he wins.
[69:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[69:31]
Hank
So, yeah, it's Thunder over Knicks.
[69:33]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[69:33]
Hank
Because I, I want the Knicks to.
[69:36]
Big Cat
Get that heart, bro.
[69:37]
PFT Commenter
Oh, that's very mean.
[69:38]
Big Cat
I think Knicks. I, I now, I'm not betting.
[69:41]
Hank
I'll be betting on the Knicks. Definitely. Game one. I think I'll go game by game after that. But it would be cr. Like, you can't. No, I bet against this team.
[69:49]
Big Cat
I'm now in the, in the, like, mindset of any of these four teams. I really do. I could see any of these four teams. I think the Thunder are probably the best team still standing. But if you flash forward and you tell me the Pacers, the Knicks, the Wolves, the Thunder all win the championship, like, yeah, they're really fucking good.
[70:06]
PFT Commenter
I think it's a good place to be.
[70:07]
Big Cat
It's, it's a fun final four that it really feels chaotic and awesome and someone's going to have a championship for either the first Time ever. Or the Knicks. First time in 52 years.
[70:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[70:18]
Big Cat
Knicks could absolutely win the title now.
[70:20]
Hank
Yeah.
[70:22]
Big Cat
It's crazy. The Cavs and the Celtics. You should have. You should have put that in the injuries, man. PFT laid the death now when he was like, can we just fast forward the eastern conference to the Cavs and the Celtics?
[70:35]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah. I said all these other teams. Get the out of here. Celtics. I was also egging Hank on a little bit with that. But the. The ESPN analyst. This is now the three. Zero for them.
[70:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[70:47]
PFT Commenter
So they all picked against the Timberwolves against the Lakers. They all picked against the Pacers against the Cavs, and they all picked against the Knicks against the Celtics.
[70:56]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[70:57]
PFT Commenter
So if you get that graphic going.
[70:58]
Big Cat
Yep.
[70:59]
PFT Commenter
You know they're about to be wrong.
[71:00]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[71:00]
Max
Memes and I both said Nixon 6 before the series started.
[71:03]
Big Cat
There you go. Only two media members. That counts. The booth is up. The booth is up. Huge. All right, let's do who's Back. Then we'll get to our interviews. We got two great interviews. Smiley Kaufman talking more golf, and then an awesome interview with Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips in the Miami Marlins in studio. So it was great hanging with those guys. Guys, who's back of the week is brought to you by our friends at Truly. We love truly unruly lemonade. It combines the high alk fun of truly unruly with everyone's favorite lemonade. It's the official hard seltzer. Pardon my take. Lemonade. Let loose. 8% ABV, 100% delicious. Four supercharged lemonade flavors. Bumping blue raz og original lemonade. Punched up pineapple. Wild pink. Level up your lemonade with truly unruly. Find truly unruly lemonade at a store near you or visit trulyhardseltzer.com we love it. It is summer. It's going to be golf season. It is golf season. Truly unruly. Let's get unruly this summer with our lemonade. Like I said, the bumpin blue razz og original lemonade punched up pineapple and wild pink. I love the wild pink. So go get it now. Visit trulyhardseltzer.com find Truly Unruly at a store near you. Okay, Hank, who's back to we week.
[72:17]
Hank
My. Who's back?
[72:18]
Big Cat
I got.
[72:18]
Hank
I. I emptied the clip trying to filibuster. I'll go because I'm looking at it on the screen right now. The librarians, the next chapter. They're showing these commercials in all these games. It like it. I can't believe it's a real show. That is being me.
[72:33]
Big Cat
It looks like.
[72:35]
Hank
Show of all time.
[72:37]
PFT Commenter
Is this one where Nicole Kidman's like, a.
[72:39]
Hank
No, no, this is a movie. This is. No. Have you seen the commercials, though? It's like.
[72:41]
Big Cat
Looks like.
[72:42]
Hank
I don't think it is Lin Manuel Moran, but it looks like him. Yeah, and it's like a bunch of action hero superhero librarians. Look at. Look it up. Look it up. I. I can't tell if it's him. I literally think. I'm guessing that he wrote the show or something. It was like, let's get an action double of myself. But the commercials, every time I see him, I think it's like a spoof commercial for, like, a different product. And then at the end, it's like, librarians.
[73:08]
Big Cat
Wait, hold on a second. Second. Rebecca Romaine is in it?
[73:12]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[73:13]
Big Cat
She's a star.
[73:16]
PFT Commenter
She's first.
[73:17]
Big Cat
Listen. Damn.
[73:18]
Hank
She's not.
[73:19]
Big Cat
How could you.
[73:20]
Hank
No, no, wait.
[73:21]
PFT Commenter
This is the Librarians 2014 TV series.
[73:26]
Big Cat
That was season one.
[73:27]
Hank
That would have been crazy.
[73:28]
Big Cat
Wait, but is she in season two?
[73:29]
Hank
I don't know. I hope not.
[73:31]
Big Cat
Oh, my God.
[73:32]
PFT Commenter
The Next Chapter season.
[73:34]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. Okay, so there's four seasons. I think she's in them. Is she in the new one?
[73:38]
PFT Commenter
I've got it pulled up right now. Let's see. Star. I don't see your name in this.
[73:42]
Big Cat
Okay.
[73:42]
PFT Commenter
I also don't see Lin Manuel Miranda's name. I think. Hank, just look at the guy. Okay.
[73:46]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah, yeah. I see Lin Man. No, no, he is. That is him. Is that him?
[73:50]
Hank
No, no, I don't think it is.
[73:52]
Big Cat
Look at him, though.
[73:53]
PFT Commenter
Callum McGowan.
[73:54]
Big Cat
That does look like him.
[73:55]
PFT Commenter
I'm looking at it.
[73:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[73:56]
Hank
Like, he had to have written this show.
[73:58]
Big Cat
Why?
[73:59]
PFT Commenter
Because the guy that also.
[74:00]
Big Cat
Is that Olivia Munn?
[74:01]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
[74:02]
Big Cat
No, it's fake Olivia.
[74:03]
PFT Commenter
Olivia Morris, isn't it?
[74:05]
Big Cat
So it's Olivia, a fake Olivia Munn and a fake Lin Manuel Miranda.
[74:09]
PFT Commenter
Well, Olivia isn't the one that looks like Olivia. Jessica Green looks like Olivia.
[74:13]
Big Cat
Got it.
[74:13]
Hank
Yeah, I guess he's not. I don't see him on the executive producers or anything. I just. When I see the commercial, I'm like, is that Lin Manuel Miranda? I'm like, no. And I'm like, he must have been like, all right, good.
[74:21]
Big Cat
Who's back?
[74:21]
Hank
An action version of myself. But, yeah, I'm gonna have to watch this at least an episode, because, again, I just can't believe it's a real show.
[74:29]
Big Cat
Is the. Is the Rebecca Romaine is that the same as this show?
[74:33]
Hank
I think that was the previous show.
[74:35]
PFT Commenter
Because this next chapter.
[74:36]
Hank
This is the next one chapter.
[74:37]
Big Cat
Yeah, got it.
[74:38]
PFT Commenter
It's about crime fighting, librarians.
[74:41]
Big Cat
Great. Who's back? Hank.
[74:43]
Hank
Thank you.
[74:43]
Big Cat
It's on the TV right now.
[74:45]
PFT Commenter
Just looking around the room.
[74:47]
Big Cat
Okay.
[74:48]
Hank
Well, I did give like eight before.
[74:50]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, Hank did take like, everything. Yeah, before who's back Came up. So my who's back of the week is Vanny Woodhead. Oh, how's Vanny Woodhead looking?
[74:58]
Big Cat
Oh, good.
[75:00]
Hank
I just. We sent an invoice for some parts. It's getting fixed up.
[75:03]
PFT Commenter
Okay. Because when was the due date on Vanny Woodhead again?
[75:06]
Big Cat
It was. It was spring. Spring. Summer. Ish. So it would be right now.
[75:10]
PFT Commenter
I just hadn't heard anything about him, so I figured we might check in. Yeah, always doing.
[75:13]
Big Cat
We're about to hit summer. Memorial Day is the start of summer.
[75:15]
Hank
Yeah.
[75:16]
Big Cat
So we're. We're. We're like seven days away.
[75:19]
PFT Commenter
Are we on track?
[75:20]
Hank
No.
[75:20]
PFT Commenter
Oh, okay.
[75:22]
Big Cat
Cuz that was your thing.
[75:24]
Hank
I'm working on it. I'm still working on it. It could. It could happen still. But I don't want to, you know, there's been some delays and possibly me just forgetting to send an invoice.
[75:33]
PFT Commenter
Well, the Celtics.
[75:34]
Big Cat
Cuz, like, if we went through the list, like, memes. Your thing was to meme, Hank. To d. Death. Check. Match your thing.
[75:41]
Hank
Baseball against a baseball team.
[75:43]
Big Cat
Max. Your thing is to freak out and make good content about getting tricked.
[75:46]
Max
And I went to the bachelor party.
[75:48]
Big Cat
Bachelor party. Check Hank, Vanny Woodhead.
[75:51]
Hank
On it.
[75:53]
PFT Commenter
How far. How far would you say we're behind?
[75:56]
Hank
I don't know. I'm not. I. I am not. My hands aren't dirty.
[76:00]
PFT Commenter
What does that mean?
[76:00]
Hank
Like, I don't know exactly. You know, what. What needs to get fixed and how long it's going to take. If you know, if you were on a flight, it would be a delay where you're not, like, upset about it. You're not going to change any plans. You're just like, all right, little minor delay. Like someone. They're just fixing, like a light in the bathroom.
[76:18]
Big Cat
So we shouldn't be looking for alternative routes.
[76:22]
Hank
No.
[76:23]
PFT Commenter
So it's no longer spring. Ish. Summer. It's still solidly summer.
[76:29]
Hank
Never say never. Never when? Because summer doesn't start till, like, July, right?
[76:33]
PFT Commenter
June 21st.
[76:33]
Hank
Yeah. So never say never.
[76:35]
PFT Commenter
June 21st. Are you taking the over or the under?
[76:37]
Big Cat
Over.
[76:38]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[76:39]
Hank
Yeah, but, you know, it's. It's you would have taken the Celtics going into the series. Like, anything can happen in this game.
[76:44]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I would have taken.
[76:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. So you're saying we get an upset and down.
[76:47]
Hank
Get some good value on.
[76:49]
Big Cat
Okay.
[76:49]
Hank
On the under.
[76:50]
Big Cat
Okay. All right. My. I have two. Who's back? First is Giannis, because he did a Q A while. Everyone's wondering where he's going. And it was very funny because he was answering, I think, Giannis. Like, they were. People were asking him very loaded questions. He was answering them honestly. Like someone asked, out of all the cities you've ever been to, which city made you the happiest? The happiest to be there, not counting your hometown. He said Florida cities. He said. He said, what's your favorite city to play in on the road? He said New York. He said there was something else about. I think there was something with Texas or something, but he's basically just throwing red meat at. At the Internet, being like, here you go. And I think he's actually being genuine. Like, I don't know if he's doing this on purpose.
[77:36]
PFT Commenter
Florida cities.
[77:37]
Big Cat
Yeah, Florida all.
[77:38]
PFT Commenter
Florida cities.
[77:39]
Big Cat
All. Even Orlando would be a good fit. Paolo, It'd be great. My other who's back is peds, because. Did you guys see Brittany Mahomes?
[77:49]
PFT Commenter
No, I did not.
[77:52]
Hank
I did.
[77:52]
Big Cat
Did. Yeah. There's been some upgrades.
[77:56]
PFT Commenter
Let me look at this.
[77:57]
Big Cat
Respectfully, all due respect.
[78:00]
PFT Commenter
Developing.
[78:01]
Big Cat
Developing respect. All due respect.
[78:07]
PFT Commenter
I thought. I think she's always been a lovely person.
[78:09]
Big Cat
She's always been a lovely person. I'm just saying there has been some alterations.
[78:13]
PFT Commenter
Good for her.
[78:14]
Big Cat
Yeah. All due respect, Canon, my home's always.
[78:19]
PFT Commenter
Been a big TD guy.
[78:20]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the. The overused joke of the weekend online was, mom, look at. Look at the weapons Mahomes got to play with this year.
[78:31]
PFT Commenter
I like that. That's good.
[78:32]
Big Cat
It's a pretty good one. Very nice lady.
[78:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Looks.
[78:35]
Big Cat
Respect.
[78:35]
PFT Commenter
Looks great. Always has.
[78:37]
Big Cat
Also the real Pedies is Jose Alvarado. Phillies closer, got busted for PEDs.
[78:42]
Hank
No.
[78:43]
PFT Commenter
Big time bust.
[78:43]
Big Cat
80 games. 80 games.
[78:46]
PFT Commenter
Ineligible for the postseason.
[78:47]
Big Cat
Not good. Good. Not good, Max.
[78:52]
Max
Not great. Not great. Especially because the bullpen's already very bad. But we also just brought up, you know, a prospect. He threw six scoreless 9Ks today. We have, like, eight starters and, like, two relievers.
[79:06]
Big Cat
Okay, so what happened with Jose Alvarado?
[79:09]
Max
You know, he was a little bit overweight, and I think he.
[79:12]
Big Cat
He's. He's a fat boy.
[79:14]
Max
It was. It was. It was a fat. It was a fat loss drug okay, that shouldn't be.
[79:20]
PFT Commenter
You can't get fat loss drugs.
[79:22]
Hank
Fat pill.
[79:23]
Big Cat
It probably has like meth in it.
[79:25]
Max
Yeah, you can take fat, but it was. It was. Listen, sometimes you feel like a fat boy and you want to be less of a fat boy. And he has a clip about calling himself a fat boy. It's very funny.
[79:36]
Big Cat
Yeah, Play it. And this is what did him in.
[79:38]
Smiley Kaufman
Set the key for any pitcher though.
[79:40]
Big Cat
Though, Jose, is make sure your. Your legs are strong. Mom, you know, I. I am the. The grizzly bear. Yeah, you are. I am the grizzly bear. I got sometime I call like to.
[79:56]
PFT Commenter
My people in the glue.
[79:58]
Kyle Stowers
How, bro?
[79:59]
Big Cat
I feel like a fat boy, you know? Yeah. They shouldn't have busted this guy.
[80:05]
Max
Yeah, no, we laughed over. But he's like, yeah, fat boy.
[80:08]
PFT Commenter
I'm fat. I'm looking up what he got busted for. Looks like he got busted for. So I'm taking supplemental testosterone, so I don't know if that's necessarily a fat boy move. I don't think the way you made it seem was.
[80:19]
Max
No, there. There was rumors that, like, it was a fat. It was a fat loss drug that had testosterone in it.
[80:27]
PFT Commenter
Ah, okay.
[80:28]
Big Cat
Got it. But I actually believe him that he was not trying to do it in a steroids way. He was just trying to get lose weight.
[80:37]
PFT Commenter
Well, so is exogenous testosterone, which is not one of the fat boy drugs.
[80:42]
Max
This is what? I don't know this guy. He's got, you know, 15,000 followers.
[80:47]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[80:47]
Max
Jose Alvarado. Accepted. Accepted. This is the suspension. Dave Dombrowski said it was a weight loss drug that caused him to fail. Phillies will treat it like losing someone to injury.
[80:56]
PFT Commenter
I think that's why the MLB came out and said what it actually was.
[80:59]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's because they said, that's bad, Max. That's bad. Yeah.
[81:06]
Max
I mean, deadline pick up, guys. We got eight starters and two relievers.
[81:12]
Big Cat
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[83:35]
Hank
Hank banner night $472.
[83:39]
Big Cat
Okay. $472. Wow. But it's better at game time. $20 off and you can get your best. You know you're getting the best deal with Game Time. Go right now. Use code PMT with game time for $20 off. Okay, here he is, Smiley Kaufman. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very special guest recurring guest. It is Smiley Kaufman. You can see him on NBC Sports. You can see him coming up with the US Open in the Open championship. You also can listen to him the Smiley show. He just did A live stream after, after the PGA Championship. So. And he was there in Charlotte all week. Smiley. I don't really know where to start other than Scotty Scheffler is just the best golfer in the world. And it feels like maybe you explain it to me, it feels like the gap is larger than we let on because obviously Rory and you know, Xander won two last year. But it does feel like when Scotty plays his best, there is no one close to him. Is that a fair assessment?
[84:41]
Smiley Kaufman
I think we're back to regular scheduled programming and great to be back on with you boys and always enjoy coming on. Yeah, I mean, guys, Scotty Scheffler, it's absurd what he can do with a golf ball. And I think, think maybe most of us and maybe members of the media were blinded a little bit by the Grand SLAM with Rory McRoyd at, at the Masters in Augusta national and just how important that was not only for Rory's legacy for the game of golf, but even after that I'm thinking, oh gosh, Rory could potentially win the next six majors in my head. And I'm just somehow forgetting about how good Scotty Sheffer was over the past last couple years. And then Scotty Shepard goes to the Byron Nelson, wins by, what was it, eight shots at the Byron Nelson, then shows up this week and gets the job done. It, it didn't ever feel like it was going to be a five shot win in the end, but there was a lot of drama that happened over the last couple hours that made it kind of a boring ending, but a very exciting hour or two in there just not knowing what exactly was going to happen.
[85:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[85:45]
PFT Commenter
Did we see a little bit of that emotion from Scotty as he won one? Like you guys forgot about me. Is this bad boy Scotty that we got to see drop the gloves because I mean, he made that putt on 18 spikes the hat. That's an outburst the likes of which we've never even imagined from Scotty to, to throw his hat on the ground and everybody was like, oh my God, I can't believe this guy showed emotion.
[86:03]
Smiley Kaufman
How rude was that?
[86:04]
Big Cat
Right?
[86:04]
Smiley Kaufman
I mean, we're trying to play golf out here, it's a gentleman's game and he's out here throwing his hat around in celebration. But to me, dude, pft, this guy's a competitive psycho. It's unbelievable how this guy is wired, but he's got this soft side of him too. This like emot dad side that any, any dad can relate to. Just at any moment he could cry and you just don't know when it's going to happen. But then when he's, you know, when he's playing and before he gets that moment where he gets emotional, he is legitimately just a competitive freak. He never gets out of the zone. Oftentimes when I'm out watching him out on the golf course and walking the grounds with them, I know when to stay away, when he's not going to talk, or when he's not going to joke around. And he was in the zone today and it was fighting it on that front nine guys. He had these all these left misses going. And you're thinking to yourself, is, is Scotty going to blow this today?
[86:57]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah, there was that. There was that moment where John Rahm tied him and it was like, oh man, is this really going to happen? And then John Rahm completely, like melted down and Scotty just kind of stayed steady throughout it. I want to go back though the start of the tournament and obviously, you know, the odds don't tell everything. But I thought it was crazy because on Friday I believe it was. I was looking at the odds. Scotty's in like fifth or sixth and he's probably four strokes back and he's by far the favorite to win the tournament. If you're one of, in, in the, in the argument in the beginning of the tournament was like, look at these guys. They're not like the known, they're not the known guys at the top of leaderboard. If you're one of those guys who came out and shot a 64 or 65 on Thursday and you're in the lead, are you the whole time thinking like, well, Scotty is four strokes behind and I'm fucked.
[87:50]
Smiley Kaufman
Hopefully those guys aren't going to look at the odds boards after they're 65 on a Thursday. But dude, I mean, Scotty was plus 450, I think, coming into the week. I believe he still had the, the shortest odds. And then after his two under round on Thursday, he moved up and like you said, he was still four strokes back of the lead. Actually, no, five strokes back because Vegas shot seven under and he moved up, up to plus 350. Yeah, and that's, and that's crazy. And that's when you're thinking to yourself, okay, so the lead is actually 200. It's not seven under. The scoreboard is wrong. Everything that you're seeing, it, it says what the lead is. Oh, no, it's actually Scotty down here five strokes behind. And you know what's even crazier, guys, is that I just looked at what the odds are next week at the Colonial. Scotty Shefford's playing next week. He's plus 250 to win next week at the Colonial. That which is the most absurd number. Like that's Tiger. Like I think Tiger, Tiger got like maybe into like he never got to where he was like minus on a week to where that you were weighing money down on, on a loss. But I, it's, we're entering a territory that's crazy. And Jordan Spieth, I think he's, he's the next best odds next week at the Colonial at I think 22. 1. So we're talking just the biggest gap.
[89:09]
PFT Commenter
That's crazy.
[89:10]
Big Cat
It is nuts. And it is Tiger. Like, because Tiger I, I remember like there was a year where Tiger like to win the masters was like +150 or something. It's like this is ridiculous. So I, I know this is a lame thing to do, but I do love to talk about it. Is Scotty officially on Tiger watch? I know he's got a lot of things to do, but I saw a stat 22 major starts. I think Tiger had three wins in his first 22. Scotty, or sorry, Tiger had five in his first 22. Scotty has three. Scotty had more top 20 fives, more top tens and the same amount of top fives. Like I know, I never thought when Tiger happened, you're like it's never going to happen again. But it does feel like Scotty is. And maybe the competition is just harder because like you see the guys that week in and week out are so good. But like if you had to put a number on Scotty, if everything stays like, you know, if he stays healthy and plays for, for 15 more years, like it does feel like he will be in that double digit majors territory.
[90:10]
Smiley Kaufman
You're right. And health is going to be, you know, a big key to that. If he's, if he remains healthy and continues the form that he's on the strokes gained. That's something that we, we can kind of compare generations a bit when we can go back and look at how well did Tiger woods strike the golf ball and then compare it to how well Scotty Scheffler has done it. And it's comparable data.
[90:32]
Big Cat
Data.
[90:33]
Smiley Kaufman
So when you look at that, you say, okay, he's as good as controlling his golf ball as Tiger Woods. And then you look at all right, how has he done since 2021? You look at all the top events that he's played in, and he constantly put. Puts himself in contention week in and week out, especially for the majors. So when you look at that and, and you think about just what he's accomplished to this point and how crucial it was for him to win this week because if he would not have gotten the job done this week, all of a sudden you're thinking to yourself, okay, he's only, he's only won the Masters. And we think about what he's going to be measured against over the course of his career as far as how many majors can he win and can he pass Tiger? Can he cast, pass Jack Nicklaus? Well, he definitely needed to get it done today, and he did. And, and all of a sudden you start to think, okay, is he going to be the next player to complete the, the Grand Slam? And actually somebody tweeted this out. I can't remember who it was, but they, they actually said it would be considered the Golden Slam because he's won a gold medal now, if he was able to win, if he' the US Open in the Open Championship, he would be the first to complete the Golden Slam. I wish I could give credit to whoever came up with that, but as.
[91:45]
Big Cat
First reported by Smiley Kaufman.
[91:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, like.
[91:50]
Big Cat
Yes.
[91:51]
PFT Commenter
So I was looking at a bunch of the stats that you were kind of alluding to, and he's on all these lists with Tiger and Jack, Nick Laus, as you mentioned, the only golfers to win two Masters and a PGA before their 30th birthday. Like, you can look at the stats. And I'm a little bit upset at Scotty because. Because it was going to be fun to say that he's just a Master's merchant, that he's like, rapping the doll and he can only, he can only win at Augusta and nobody, he doesn't even bother, like, competing in the other majors. So we can't talk about that anymore. But when we're talking about strokes gained and all this data that you brought up, where did he. Where did, where can you see that? Where can an average casual golf fan watch him play? Like, was it Saturday this year where it's like, he's dealing with the same conditions as everybody else, but he's just hitting the ball that much better.
[92:33]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, gosh, man.
[92:34]
Big Cat
He.
[92:34]
Smiley Kaufman
I think he gained like, eight strokes down the stretch over the last five holes in the round yesterday. And this is, it's. It's not an anomaly. This is what he does. He finds a way in the most challenging conditions. When we talk about the Firm greens. We Talk about holding 15 mile an hour crosswinds and shots that extend past wedges. We're talking like seven, six irons where really proximity gets shrunk to an average. Average shot would be, you know, 30 or so feet. And he finds a way to, to break the mold down the stretch and hit shots inside of 15ft, having the best shots of the day and later the day where typically it's firmer, faster and it's more challenging. He put the tournament to rest, we thought last night, until all of a sudden he's tied with John Rom, with Rom with seven to play and with him with nine holes to play. But yeah, I'm very, I was very excited to see Scotty get the job done because you want to see a, you know, a player of his caliber be able to, to reach the heights that we think he can in the game. So for him to get this win, what a, what a start to the major season. Rory Macro in the Grand Slam and now Scotty win the PGA just gets you excited about the next one where it, you know, the last six majors have gone to, to, to Scotty Shepard twice, Sandra Shafley twice, Bryson DeChambeau and then Rory Mackerel and, and I don't know who's going to win a major outside of a group of about eight guys. These guys are that good right now.
[94:03]
Big Cat
Yeah, it is pretty crazy. I. So Bryson, you mentioned. I wanted to ask a question about that. Bryson, like, he just, he, he gained so much from his drives and he's, he's bombing it so much farther than everywhere everyone else. But then it feels like his iron play was just all over the place and his putting wasn't there. What, is there a fix for it him or is it like. No, dude, he's, he's like in the last, you know, six majors he's been in the contention and pretty much all of them. It will happen again for him, I think.
[94:30]
Smiley Kaufman
I talked to you guys after the US Open last year when he changed to the bulge faced irons, which is just, it's, it's so awkward to say as a technology in the game of golf, but there's so many weird sayings in the game of golf. That bulge face technology just kind of fits right in. And with Bryson, apparently he was talking about this after the round that it's adding extra curvature to shots for him and he really only plays a draw and he hits it so high up in the air where the difference between I think him and Scotty Shefford, when It comes to iron game is that Scottie Sheffield has the ability to always make his golf ball fly straight. And they both hit it just as high. They hit it. You know, if you're, if you're looking at them both at an eight iron, they're both of the same apex. But Scottie Scheffler with, with crosswinds can hold a right to left win to make the golf ball fly straight. Straight where Bryson Dechambeau for the most part just plays a little push draw shot. So right to left shots are going to get overemphasized to where they go too much to the left. Where Scotty's ball is always landing softer on the greens because when you're fighting up against a breeze, it's adding spin to the golf ball. It's going to make the ball land softer. Where Bryson doesn't hit many shots, where he controls the trajectory and brings it down. So it's, it's something that he 1000% needs to improve on. But he hits it so good off the tee. And his short game around the greens is putting his chipping, his bunkering is all at such an elite level that in major championships he's always going to be in contention.
[95:59]
Big Cat
Right. Yeah.
[96:00]
PFT Commenter
I saw this was from John Sherman. He was watching the round today and he said that Scotty came out with his club face too closed, but as the round went on, he found a way to manage it and that he'll go down as an all time great because of his face control. So I think a lot has terrible face, bad face control, worse face and real resting face is what he's got. So Scotty had resting face today, but he learned how to smile through it somehow. Was he. Is that something that, that you can like see on a broadcast? Like can you tell like he's figuring this out as a round goes on or is this like something that you say when you're watching it to try to sound smart?
[96:37]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah, I think Randy Smith, Scotty Sheffler's coach after Friday, went on the range with him and they were like, Randy was basically holding his hips and, and, and working on getting his hips to correctly.
[96:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[96:49]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah. So part of that helps with sequence and just knowing how to clear out at the right time. And I would say earlier this year, Scotty's biggest issue was a left miss. And it came out a lot of times in pressure, pressure moments, what you've been dealing with will come out. And that's kind of what Scotty dealt with on the front nine. And you're Right. Pft. His face control is absurd. And maybe, maybe we can ask Scotty to. To ask Big Cat how to exactly set up to the golf ball, because Big Cat, of course, maybe has one of the best setups in the game of golf.
[97:24]
Big Cat
That's facts.
[97:24]
Smiley Kaufman
And. And you, I would say, probably struggle to clear your hips through the golf shots as well. And I would say that maybe Scotty had maybe watched you play too much golf recently heading into Sunday because the knees are locked, the hips weren't clearing at the right time, and maybe just watching too much golf podcast or YouTube content.
[97:43]
Big Cat
Yeah, I never clear my head. No.
[97:45]
PFT Commenter
And Hank does have an issue with not being able to close his face.
[97:48]
Big Cat
Yeah. The big time. All right, so. So I want to talk about the course real quick. Well, actually, no. What's. What's up? Explain to me the driver saga that happened this weekend. They test 50 people's randomly, their driver, and apparently Scotty uses backup driver, still dominated. Rory uses backup driver, was a baby and didn't talk to media.
[98:10]
Smiley Kaufman
The only reason it's a story is that. Is that Rory didn't talk to the media the entire week. So I think people were upset that Rory wasn't just making himself available, especially coming off of a Grand Slam and typically is one who always is one to talk to the media. The only time really, that it comes to mind was, of course, after the US Open last year, where you can't blame the guy for not wanting to talk to the media.
[98:33]
Big Cat
Oh, we could. We could. We did. We did.
[98:34]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, you did. Okay. I mean, he.
[98:36]
Big Cat
He, like, pull. He peeled out. It was.
[98:38]
PFT Commenter
He almost ran over, like, six kids in the parking lot.
[98:41]
Big Cat
Yeah, I just feel vindicated that he didn't talk to immediately because we rooted against him at the Masters. I feel a little vindicated, but what's. What's up with the. The testing of the drivers?
[98:49]
Smiley Kaufman
So it's. It's kind of interesting because there isn't exactly a protocol that. That tests the entire field, which you would think if. If you're just like a casual fan, you would think that they would test every single player's equipment so that it's not just random. You just want everybody to be playing under the same conditions. And so that was the conversation where was people asking the question as well, was Rory's driver. Was it conforming the week of the Masters? And so I think that's why the narrative of Rory not doing media kind of got overblown because his driver wasn't conforming for the week.
[99:29]
Big Cat
It.
[99:30]
Smiley Kaufman
To me, it was a big nothing burger. But I think people just wanted just to hear Rory's thoughts on it because typically he gives so many thoughts on. On a lot of things in the game of golf.
[99:38]
Big Cat
So what does that mean, though? What is conforming?
[99:40]
PFT Commenter
My understanding was that the drivers, as you use them more, as you hit more shots with them, the face gets thinner. And so then as like through natural wear and tears, the face gets thinner. It becomes almost a springboard board because the face has a little bit of give to it. So it could be something where it's not like it's a driver that he got from a store. Like, he didn't see an infomercial for, like, get 20 extra yards out of your drive.
[100:00]
Big Cat
I did that. Yeah.
[100:01]
PFT Commenter
With this, with this fake driver. But it, it was like just through overuse. And the same thing happened to. Was it Shoffley a couple years ago at the Open?
[100:09]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah. No, it happens all the time. And you explained it perfectly. You know, when guys face gets thinner, typically that's when you start to hit it. The first this. And you'll start to notice maybe a little bit difference in a ball flight at times. And all of a sudden you'll look down at your face and then it's cracked. So that's a lot of times what players are looking for is if they're. If their driver face cracks, especially if they start hitting shots offline. But the protocol, there's, there's. There's a certain way they measure it. And apparently it doesn't take very long for the fact that they could measure the entire fields, clubs, week in and week out. But for whatever reason, it's random. It just seems like a situation just hire more people. Just so where you just know everybody's playing under the same conditions.
[100:56]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[100:56]
Big Cat
That should test every driver.
[100:58]
PFT Commenter
Should that be on the players? Like, do the players monitor how their driver looks at all? Because I wouldn't think, like, unless there's a crack on your driver and there's something screwed up about the ball flight. I wouldn't think that most players are like self reporting, hey, check this. I think it might be thin.
[101:11]
Smiley Kaufman
You know, when I was playing on tour from this is probably 15 to 2019, I can think of maybe one time that I remember my clubs got checked. Maybe my caddy was asked to get them checked and took them over. But me personally, I don't remember it happening. But when I was talking to some journalists in the media center this week, they said that from 2019 up until now that they've kind of Activated a little bit more to where it's being test more frequently. And even that number being over, you know, a third of the field being tested, that number, it seemed high to me. I always thought it was closer to like 10 to 12 guys being tested week in and out, week out, which really didn't ever really make a whole lot of sense to me anyways.
[101:55]
Big Cat
So what I'm taking away from this is Rory had an illegal driver. He was a baby about it, didn't talk to the media, had to use his backup driver. That's why he sucked. But that also means that he had an illegal driver. The Masters asterisks. He needs to still win the Masters to complete the Grand Slam.
[102:11]
Smiley Kaufman
Seeing a running back. That's what you're saying?
[102:13]
Big Cat
That's what I, that's all I got.
[102:14]
PFT Commenter
It sounds like the driver was at its best in the playoff. Yeah, right.
[102:18]
Big Cat
Correct.
[102:19]
Smiley Kaufman
Okay, here's the spin zone I'm gonna throw at you guys is that I watched him play at the Philly Cricket Club last week and he hit that driver, that same driver that was non conforming that he had to take out of the bag. He hit it pretty bad. Like he was not hitting fairways with that.
[102:35]
Big Cat
Well, yeah, because it probably cracked. It was probably right, right before it cracked.
[102:38]
Smiley Kaufman
Okay, all right, so, so there you go. Maybe, maybe, maybe it was already non conforming. Yeah.
[102:44]
Big Cat
The most non conforming of his driver was at the Masters at its peak.
[102:48]
PFT Commenter
That's what I'm the Masters thin face driver.
[102:50]
Big Cat
I, I got another question about the, the course because there's a lot of mudball talk this week.
[102:55]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, mudball, mudball.
[102:56]
Big Cat
So Shane Lowry, I loved his, his, he, he took it out on the course. He beat the course up. First question is the story came out afterwards that it actually was, was a ESPN employee that was the one who pointed out that that wasn't his. Like he, he tried to claim and he wasn't trying to cheat. You can just say, hey, I think that divot was already there. That's why my ball is half submerged. There was an ESPN bystander who was like, no, that's actually not true. That was your divot. If you were in that spot, would you report that?
[103:29]
Smiley Kaufman
I've thought about this so many different times because the person that would have reported is exactly what I would be doing on the ground. Ground. So you're up there, you see that the ball lands and then ends up in somebody else's pitch mark. And by rule, you do not get relief in that. Which by the way is so stupid. If your ball is. Is below the level of the surface, I think you should always get relief. It's a ground under repair type of situation in my mind. But I was thinking about it, and a lot of times, too. There's enough people around to where I wouldn't ever have to stick my nose in this. And maybe I wasn't there. So it's hard for me to really say, but I. I don't know, man.
[104:10]
Big Cat
It's.
[104:10]
Smiley Kaufman
It's a hard one to call because it just.
[104:13]
Big Cat
I don't.
[104:13]
Smiley Kaufman
I don't want to say it depends on who it is, but also.
[104:17]
Big Cat
Yeah, it does. Yeah. Gosh.
[104:20]
PFT Commenter
So let's just say who would you definitely not call it on?
[104:23]
Smiley Kaufman
Who would I not call it on, T. Max. Yeah.
[104:28]
PFT Commenter
I mean, you better not call it on Max.
[104:32]
Smiley Kaufman
I'm not calling it.
[104:33]
Big Cat
She better not call it on Brooks either.
[104:35]
PFT Commenter
We're gonna have problems.
[104:36]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah, it's a. This is a tough one. Y' all are putting me in a bad spot here because now I'm gonna just start looking away when balls land in the fairway, just so I'm just. So I'm not held liable, you know?
[104:48]
PFT Commenter
But none of them live guys don't want any smoke with mbs, so.
[104:51]
Big Cat
So my real question, though, is, and. And you can maybe tell me that I'm wrong and you can spin on this. The complaints about the mud balls is, like, the softest thing ever. Like, come on, golfers, there's mud on balls. So you tell me how wrong I am that it's actually impossible to hit a mud ball. Because, like, this is one of those situations where I love watching the majors. I love watching golf. You know, there's times when, you know, if the crowd says something and someone flips out, I'm like, come on, don't be so soft. Mud balls, are they that hard? Is it that hard? Am I way off? Yeah.
[105:23]
Smiley Kaufman
I was about to ask you, have you ever hit a mud ball?
[105:25]
Big Cat
No. I mean, I just pick it up and clean it. I play Scramble rules whenever I'm playing just by myself itself.
[105:30]
Smiley Kaufman
Well, it's same with me now, too. So I. I personally don't hit any mud balls anymore either. But I can tell you the challenge is. Is ridiculous. It is. It is very, very hard. Especially when you talk about Quail Hollow in a major championship test and. And just not having really any control. And I've seen veterans kind of old school players kind of really kind of say that, guys, there's a way around this. There's A way to hit these shots to where you can keep it in front of you. And it's part of the game. It's just kind of rub of the green and that you should just deal with it. And then other players like Scotty, who is a. Just when he's in the fairway, he's so good that it's. It's a disservice that you don't let him hit the iron shot that he's capable of hitting and that he's now has to basically be punished for hitting the fairway. I think that there's an argument to be made there because the PGA Tour, if it was a PGA Tour event on Thursday, so Quail Hollow for the truest is be play. Play there every year, I would have said that Thursday the PGA Tour would have probably played it up, ball in hand, to where they would have cleaned the golf balls in the fairway. But because there was a major championship and that the PGA of America is making the call on whether. Whether the ball is being played up or played down, that that was a significant impact because majors, they don't want to be defined by, you know, the golf ball not being played down. And, you know, guys just had to deal with it. It wasn't the rest of the week, it wasn't a big storyline, but Thursday, it was a big deal.
[106:57]
Big Cat
That makes sense too, because I've always thought that the PGA Championship has a little bit of, like, little brother going on where, like, you know, they moved from the last one to this one. They also, like, there was that one year where the scoring was outrageous, and everyone's like, well, this isn't the US Open. So they're trying. They're trying to be a little bit more like the rest of the majors. So maybe if it were another, like, they. They're like, hey, we gotta. We gotta make sure they. They hit these mud balls.
[107:24]
Smiley Kaufman
Well, you know, they got five inches of rain, I think, on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday leading up. So the fact that the golf course was even to a point where they could get mowers down Wednesday night just tells you how. How good the golf course was from an agronomy standpoint and just how good the drainage was. But, yeah, mud balls are. They're really, really hard to hit. I don't know if, you know, understand how they work, but, no, I don't.
[107:46]
Big Cat
Typically, I'll tell you right now, I never will because I'll never hit a mud.
[107:51]
Smiley Kaufman
I think you need to go try it out for yourself. So when the mud is is caked on the left side of the golf ball. There's. There's some type of aerodynamics that make the. When the mud flies off it, it makes the golf ball shoot to the right. So it's the opposite. The side the mud is on is the way it's going to go. So it's on the left, the ball is going right, the mud is on the right, the ball is going to the left. So my bit, now that I don't play much anymore, when I tee the ball up off the tee and I just hit a big slice, I'll just say mud ball. You know, it's. It's just such a shame.
[108:21]
Big Cat
You just described every shot I've ever taken in my life. Life. And I'm just only hitting mud balls.
[108:26]
Smiley Kaufman
Exactly.
[108:28]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[108:28]
Smiley Kaufman
You got a new bit. You got a new bit.
[108:30]
PFT Commenter
What happened with the. That shot that John Rom hit where it hit the dude in the head and then bounced off his head and went onto the green? How did it bounce that far off his head? Number one and two. Did anybody check on that guy to make sure he's okay? Because that seemed like it was pretty. Pretty intense.
[108:44]
Smiley Kaufman
I'm 99 sure PFT that that guy played fullback in high school.
[108:48]
Hank
Yeah.
[108:49]
PFT Commenter
Because that guy. That guy just went up to John Ramon was like, hey, man, sorry about that. Like, we're all good. Don't worry about that shot. Just hit your head, like, as hard as it possibly can. And then it bounced 50 yards.
[108:59]
Smiley Kaufman
He's a. He's a dude's dude. A true football guy. A guy that uses the crown of the helmet. A guy that would have definitely been thrown out of plenty of games in high school. I mean, when it. If you're listening to it live, the sound that it made when it hit his skull, it.
[109:12]
Big Cat
It.
[109:13]
PFT Commenter
He's.
[109:13]
Smiley Kaufman
He's 20 yards left of the green, guys, and it. It rolls. I mean, the green from a width standpoint is probably a good. Good 13 yards. I mean, it. It ricocheted a good 30 yards.
[109:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[109:26]
Smiley Kaufman
Which is just absurd to think about.
[109:28]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I was concerned about the man's health, and the next thing that I saw, he's, like, shaking hands with John Ramen, like, getting an autograph glove from him, and they're, like, hooting and hollering, like, that was awesome.
[109:36]
Smiley Kaufman
I mean, I saw. I saw some pretty funny tweets that said that he should have milked it and try to get. Try to get it. Should have tried to have got about a billion dollars from the PIF knowing that John Rom's employers could have maybe helped him out there. So I thought that was a pretty good tweet.
[109:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[109:51]
PFT Commenter
Let me ask you, did you watch the final round? Are you in Louisiana?
[109:54]
Smiley Kaufman
No, no, I'm actually in. I live in Birmingham, Alabama, so I flew home late last night, watched the coverage today. So.
[110:01]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, okay. Because I heard that, that people in Louisiana couldn't watch part of the final round because it cut to a press conference about escaped inmates at a prison.
[110:08]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, I did see that on my social media today. And I've been following the storylines. I think they've caught, I think about six of the guys that have escaped. So maybe I could follow that live stream later because that, that, that would be some good content.
[110:21]
PFT Commenter
I can only imagine how upset go in Louisiana where that they had to deal with that. You alluded to it earlier, but maybe if you could narrow down just a little. You said, like, with all these great players that we have right now, you don't know who the next major champion is going to be from the, from the list of the guys that don't have one yet. Can you just give us like a short list of guys that we should, we should keep our eyes on?
[110:40]
Smiley Kaufman
So players that have not won a major championship that could be next up in line? Is that what you're asking?
[110:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[110:46]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, gosh. Victor Hovland, to me, he's. He's been all over the place at times when it comes to his golf game over the last really year or so. He won earlier this year in an unexpected fashion, but still, he still, to me is the, the one of the most talented players that hasn't won yet. Ludwig Oberg would be another guy too, who's, I think his game is built for major championships. Ludwig is already contended at the Masters a couple different times, so those would be the two that come to mind first. But, but there's plenty of other guys that you can maybe reach on, I think. Joaquim Neiman is a very talked about player from the live Golf tour, but he finally got his first top 10 in a major that was a knock against him is that he's won all this time on the p. Excuse me. He won on the PGA Tour, but he's also won five times on the live and had yet to have a top 10 in a major championship and got his first top 10 this week at Quail Hollow. So maybe that's all he had to do is get his first top 10 to maybe, maybe go in potentially at the US Open at Oakmont.
[111:51]
Big Cat
I Gotta. I got a question. So not only Shane Lowry beat up the course, but we also saw Wyndham Clark, like, launch his driver. People were trying to say that that was the same as when Max launched his driver. If you watch Windham, Clark could have killed someone. Max was. Did it in the most, like, gentlemanly way where he, like, tossed it up the fairway where there's no one there. It was perfect. And he. He also tossed it where he was walking, which was efficient. Does it. Does the PGA say anything after these kind of things? Are they like, hey, man, you can't do that, or do they just. They're like, hey, emotions happen. What are you going to do?
[112:24]
Smiley Kaufman
Well, typically you get fine. And on the PGA Tour, the guys understand kind of what. What the. There's like, certain levels. I'm not sure what the numbers are exactly for fines, because they don't. The PGA Tour doesn't make that available public information on what the number is. But I can tell you that when Shane Lowry and I played together, this is the Honda Classic Classic back In, I think, 2016, him and I both got fines on the 15th hole of par three there. You can find it on YouTube. It's actually quite entertaining.
[112:53]
Big Cat
They.
[112:53]
Smiley Kaufman
They come live to the 15th hole for the first time, and I get up on the tee and hit one in the water and snap a club over my knee, Bo Jackson style. And then Shane Lowry hits one in the water right after me and then proceeds to, you know, just to give a good old classic. Like, Shane Lowry. Oh, you idiot. And that's like, how he got fined. And Shane Lowry didn't apologize. I did. So he had, like, a double version of what my fine was. So for the PGA of America this week, to answer your question, Big Cat, I think if you, like, look at the levels of. Of what the fine would be, Windhams would be on a very high level because when you do the no look throw and not know if anybody's behind you, especially with a little bit of heat, that's where, you know, brick could have killed a guy type of situation comes out.
[113:42]
Big Cat
Out, right?
[113:43]
Smiley Kaufman
And my favorite part about it, too, is there's a picture too. I think one of his sponsors, I think, is T Mobile. And there's a hole like, of his driver that goes right through the T Mobile sponsor sign on the back. You gotta find it.
[113:57]
Big Cat
It's.
[113:57]
Smiley Kaufman
It's absolutely hilarious knowing that, like, it's one of his sponsors. And of course, he wasn't trying to throw a club. Well, I guess he did throw the Club, but just throw it right through one of his sponsors ads like on the back was, I thought, funny for us. Luckily everybody survived, but I imagine there was probably going to be a fine.
[114:15]
PFT Commenter
I found the video of you snapping the club here. What do you remember what iron that was?
[114:20]
Smiley Kaufman
It was seven iron.
[114:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, seven. So what do you do for the rest of the round? You're just like. Like afterwards, I imagine that you have a couple minutes where you're like. Or a couple seconds probably where you're like, sweet, that was awesome. And then reality sets in where you're like, oh, I actually don't have a seven iron.
[114:33]
Big Cat
You can't use it.
[114:33]
Smiley Kaufman
You're just hitting little chippy six irons and big eight irons. That's all you're doing. Luckily for me, it was on sun Sunday and so I didn't, I didn't necessarily have to worry about it too much.
[114:42]
Big Cat
That was a good snap.
[114:43]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it was.
[114:43]
Big Cat
Because I would be nervous that I wouldn't be able to snap. It would be. That's the like if you're going to go for the snap and you don't snap it. Yeah.
[114:52]
Smiley Kaufman
What I tried.
[114:52]
Big Cat
Horrible moment.
[114:53]
Smiley Kaufman
I tried to tell the PGA Tour I was not trying to break a club over my knee. Like, it wasn't my intent to break the club. I wanted to just put it up next to my knee and just like try to act like I was breaking it.
[115:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[115:04]
Smiley Kaufman
But like Bo Jackson, you know, I just had these quads that just unfortunately just. That just, just can't match a seven iron shaft.
[115:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[115:12]
PFT Commenter
This might be a dumb question, but what is, what is the drug testing policy like on the tour? How often do you get to randomize?
[115:18]
Smiley Kaufman
Randomized. I remember that happening often. And there would be a guy with a clipboard after your round. Typically they would say, hey, we need to get a drug test for you. And so you go pee or whatever. But every single time, it always happens. Ask any PGA Tour player. You always bogey the last time toll. It just happens every time like that to where you leave and you're just so hot and you can't turn out a. Like if you, if you walk away from one of these urine tests to test if you are taking pds, wherever it is that that counts as a, as a. As a false. Like it. Yeah, it would be. Or a positive test. So that's the one you can't walk away from. So you got to sit there and sometimes you can't pee at the end of the day when it's really, really Hot. You're drinking all these fluids and so you just got to sit in there for 30 minutes. Just make it small talk with the, the clipboard. Yeah, it's not necessarily fun.
[116:11]
PFT Commenter
We know with the NFL guys, they actually, they watch up. They have to be in the room. Like, they're like, come on, let's see the hog. I gotta see coming out. Is it. I have to imagine that in golf they might be. Maybe they're a little bit more gentlemanly.
[116:23]
Smiley Kaufman
Well, you just hope to be drug tested on during the summer. Not like, you know, at pebble beach when it's 50 degrees out and you come off the course, you say, can I, can I go? Just kind of. We're on the treadmill mill here for a minute, get some blood flow.
[116:38]
Big Cat
I got, I got a couple last questions. John Rom, so we, we didn't talk about, I mean, he was tied at one point in this final round on Sunday, and then it fell apart. Are, do you think he, watching him in this tournament, you think he's closer to being back? Or is it like, man, this was just another moment where things just haven't been going his way ever since he kind of went to live?
[117:01]
Smiley Kaufman
Well, I, I think you got to look at the three, the three holes that were the most crucial ones for John Rom. 13, 14 and 15 13. He had a 25 foot putt. Excuse me, that I can't believe how it didn't drop like such a good putt. And you know, gravity's wind, everything's helping him out for this ball to break. Somehow it doesn't break and that doesn't go in. And then 14. You know, John Rom is a fader of the golf ball and the wind direction at 14 today was off the left, so not necessarily a comfortable shot. But he hit a three wood, a club that he turnover and it lands on the right edge of the green. If it lands maybe two steps short of that, it's probably has enough of the draw spin to where that ball bounces onto the green, but it bounces just in a place where it takes a right kick, goes into the bunker and. But he got far enough into the bunker to where that was not. I didn't think it was that difficult of an up and down compared to Scotty, who his ball just barely rolled into the bunker at 14. I thought a more of a challenging up and down down. So it really did come down to similar type of shots. So Scotty Scheffler and John Rom, similar type of bunker shots at 14 and then 15. John Rahm and Scotty Schaffler both end up in the same place over the green at 15. Scotty Shefford gets up and down to 14, John Rom doesn't, hits a poor bunker shot and then 15. John Rom misjudges the putt from off the green, hits it to 13ft, hits a poor putt, coming back where Scotty Scheffler hit it to nothing. And then all of a sudden, sudden John Rom is in a chasing mentality heading into the most difficult part of the golf course, was forced to play aggressively and then it just unfolded.
[118:37]
Big Cat
Right.
[118:37]
Smiley Kaufman
The one thing I'll leave you with here with this big cat, when you ask about is he closer to winning? I, he's still one of the, one of the top five most talented players in the world. There's no doubt about it. Yes, he can win a major, he can win the next major. That's how good he is, is. But now we can look at a bit of a theme that's kind of happened when you go back to the Olympics where Jon Rahm, he had the lead, I believe. Gosh, I wish I had the numbers in front of me. But he was comfortably looking like he was about to win the Olympic gold medal. And I think with five holes left, he found a way to work his way off of the medal stand. So Jon rahm leaving the 11th grade green had a seven shot lead over Siwu Kim, who he was playing with. And at the end of the day, him and Siwu Kim finish at T8, at 4 under and of course walking to the 12 tees tied with Scotty Scheffler.
[119:34]
Big Cat
Right.
[119:35]
Smiley Kaufman
So we heading into the day, Jon Rahm wasn't expected to win the golf tournament, but when Jon rahm was on 12, 13, 14, 15, anybody who was watching felt like Jon Rahm could have done more, more to challenge Scotty Sheffler to make him hit more shots on 16, 17, 18, just to make it more interesting, not only for us as fans, but to make Scotty Scheffler prove that he can hit these shots to win his third major championship.
[120:02]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
[120:03]
PFT Commenter
It does. So how should we feel about Max's tournament? Because he had a great Friday, right? Like an absolutely fantastic Friday, and then things kind of went a little bit downhill. But I was, I would say that, that making the cut and having that great day to get you to make the cut. I'm going to choose to look at this as a positive weekend for Max Homa.
[120:22]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, totally. He's, I think he's feels confident about his game. He got a little bit maybe exposed on Saturday, Sunday, which more challenging conditions and that's what major championships do. And have y' all looked at his scorecard yet on Sunday?
[120:36]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
[120:37]
PFT Commenter
Crazy big cat.
[120:38]
Smiley Kaufman
Have you seen that big cat?
[120:39]
Big Cat
Yeah, it was all over the place.
[120:40]
Smiley Kaufman
All right. Because if he hadn't I was going to try to get quiz you a little bit because being two over through, I think it was five holes and then shooting six over but also making five birdies.
[120:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[120:52]
Smiley Kaufman
Is the most psychotic scorecard I think I've ever seen.
[120:55]
PFT Commenter
It is crazy. If you look at, you know the, the circle, the, the cards they see online with either the color coded or the circles. It's just a very festive looking scorecard.
[121:03]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah.
[121:04]
Big Cat
Christmas tree on the, on the back night and I, I, we ride with him. So I had him and on Friday I was like oh this is going to be incredible. But I mean Friday's in there. That's the thing I take away like yeah, Friday was around, I mean, pft.
[121:18]
Smiley Kaufman
I think it reminds me a little bit of the Washington football team in the LSU Tigers. We could play some offense like when Max home of the offense is there but unfortunately the defense doesn't show up a time or two. That's kind of how it's been lately.
[121:30]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, but it's an entertaining brand of football.
[121:31]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah, it sure is. Points on the board.
[121:33]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[121:35]
Smiley Kaufman
But butts and seats.
[121:35]
Big Cat
All right, I got one last question. Roback roback?r hbk.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase cuz its polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback has great golf gear. So go roback.com promo code take my last question. I'm going to give to Hank. Hank, do you have a question for Smiley about your game? Hank shot a 93 at a member guest on Friday.
[121:57]
Smiley Kaufman
No big deal.
[121:58]
Kyle Stowers
All right.
[121:59]
Smiley Kaufman
Humble brag.
[122:01]
Hank
Yeah, I just, I just have struggle, I struggle making consistent contact and getting, getting the ball in the air. I just hit a lot of thin shots. I don't know if you have any, any tips or any drills I could do to just, you know, try and get some, some more height in my shots.
[122:14]
Big Cat
Good question.
[122:15]
Smiley Kaufman
Have you considered starting to drink earlier? You know like you know, maybe when you, before you get to the golf course.
[122:21]
Hank
Yeah, that happens. That's, that's, that's not usually the problem. That's usually taken care of.
[122:24]
Smiley Kaufman
Okay. All right, well we just wanted to check that off that box off first because that's where I would have started you just to make sure that all of your limbs are, you know, firing on all cylinders, man. I have to see it. You're gonna have to. You have to send me a DM text me or just a video, because I can take a peek. I love looking at big cat swing. That's an easy one to.
[122:43]
Tyler Phillips
To.
[122:43]
Smiley Kaufman
To diagnose. But a lot of times when guys can't get good contact and get the ball up in the air, for the most part, it's a. A pivot issue. Meaning, like your pivot's not getting through the golf ball. You're using a lot of hands, and your pelvis is moving into the golf ball. I know I'm throwing all these words at you hanging Hank, but I could simplify it if you can just send me a swing and we'll have you hitting, making a divot out in front of the golf ball and making the ball go up in the air.
[123:07]
Hank
That's what I need. All right, great.
[123:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[123:08]
Hank
Thank you.
[123:09]
Big Cat
We gotta help Hank. He's having trouble getting it up. So we got to get those hips and everything going in the right direction. Yeah.
[123:15]
PFT Commenter
The pelvis, I think you accurately diagnosed as being mostly a pelvis issue.
[123:19]
Smiley Kaufman
Yes, it's a pelvis issue. That's right. That's right.
[123:22]
Big Cat
All right, well, Smiley, thank you, man. We love having you on. Appreciate it. And we'll. We'll talk maybe US Open or Open championship because you're covering both.
[123:30]
Smiley Kaufman
You got it. Guys, I gotta leave you with this. I was on a plane. This was. I don't know how many months ago it was when y' all did the Andrew Luck interview. And I. I'd fall asleep a lot of times I'll throw on Yalls podcast. And I'd fallen asleep and I woke up to Andrew Luck doing the snap count. And not only did I wake up, I literally did one of these. And I, I know I couldn't have been the only person that that happened too, but, man, that, that interview was great with Andrew.
[123:53]
Big Cat
That was.
[123:54]
Smiley Kaufman
That was an all timer.
[123:54]
PFT Commenter
You should take that sound and isolated, make it somebody's like alarm to wake up in the morning.
[123:58]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah. It just. It threw me off, guys.
[124:01]
Big Cat
It was good.
[124:01]
Hank
I love it.
[124:02]
Big Cat
All right, thanks so much, Smiley.
[124:06]
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[126:07]
Big Cat
Enough for something completely different. Okay. We now welcome on two very special guests from the Miami Marlins is Kyle Stowers, Tyler Phillips. Boys in studio. You guys have been in Chicago for what feels like forever playing the White Sox and the Cubs. First of all, how's, how's the season going? I, I know the, the record's not great, but how's the season going overall? Vibes?
[126:31]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I think the, the vibes are still good. I mean, feel like we're in a lot of these games, you know, and close to winning more of them. Obviously, you know, you want to win them, but you know, I think we're pretty close.
[126:41]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I mean, I can't Complain. I mean, I'm new. New to the team. Got here opening day, so building relationships with guys. But, yeah, like you said, I think we're in all the games.
[126:49]
Big Cat
So you guys both got traded recently? You got traded last year, Kyle. You got traded in the off season from the Phillies.
[126:54]
Tyler Phillips
I. I traded opening day. Like, the day before opening day.
[126:57]
Big Cat
That's crazy. Was that, like, that had to kind of be a bummer A little bit. Yeah.
[127:03]
Tyler Phillips
But, I mean, you know, I heard Miami. I was like, oh, cool.
[127:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[127:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's pretty nice.
[127:07]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah. You can't complain. There's definitely worse places to be.
[127:10]
Big Cat
Is it, like, weird knowing that, like, at any point you could get traded? Is that. Is that feeling kind of just suck? Like, where it just doesn't go away, where you're like, I never feel fully safe, 100%.
[127:20]
Kyle Stowers
I was with family friends at dinner yesterday, and they were reading some article where I was talking about last year's trade deadline, and they thought I got traded again.
[127:30]
Big Cat
Where you're like, this is happening again.
[127:32]
Kyle Stowers
So, I mean, there's a. That's 100% a real thing. You know, I think in baseball that you just kind of. You kind of never know.
[127:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[127:38]
PFT Commenter
How did you guys find out that you got traded?
[127:42]
Tyler Phillips
I was trying to avoid it all spring. I was out of options. I was with the Phillies, so kind of an impossible team to make if you're a rookie and you're not, like, the guy.
[127:52]
Big Cat
Right.
[127:53]
Tyler Phillips
Um, so it was kind of, like, inevitable for me. It felt like I just found out, literally the last day of camp. Like, all my stuff was in Philly. I shipped it all, thought I was making the team, like, transitioning from a starter to a reliever. I was like, oh, cool. And last day, like, the sixth inning of the last game, they pulled me in the office, like, hey, we claimed a guy. You're. You're gonna be traded. I was like, okay. That was.
[128:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[128:16]
Tyler Phillips
What about my stuff?
[128:17]
Big Cat
Yeah, right, right.
[128:19]
Tyler Phillips
That was definitely. Definitely a weird scenario for me.
[128:22]
Big Cat
Yeah. And you, Kyle, you knew you were going to get traded. Are you b. You didn't know, but you had a good feeling in Baltimore that you were going to get traded?
[128:29]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I had a pretty good stretch of baseball with the Orioles last year, kind of around this time of year, and. And still kind of got sent back down. And after that, I was like, okay, well, maybe this won't be the place where. Where I'd be for a while. And I was actually in the tubs when I found out. I just got out of The Tubs. And they said, hey, Connor Norby and one other player got. Got traded to the, the Marlins. And I went and checked my phone and I had a missed FaceTime call from our GM, Mike Elias. And I was like, yeah, I think I'm. I'm the other player.
[128:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. Wait, so how about a positive thing? Because you guys both. How long were you guys both in the minors?
[129:02]
Kyle Stowers
19 to 22. And then, and then 23 and 24.
[129:06]
Big Cat
So. Yeah, and then Tyler, you were the longer.
[129:08]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, 15. High schooler.
[129:10]
Big Cat
So what, what was, what was the moment like when they actually called you up? Because I love those videos. They're so awesome.
[129:17]
Tyler Phillips
Go first.
[129:17]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, mine was unique. I was a covet replacement player. So what does that mean? Yeah, so when the team traveled to Toronto, if the guys weren't vaccinated, they.
[129:26]
Big Cat
Couldn'T go, oh, so this is like, well after Covid.
[129:29]
Kyle Stowers
So. Yeah, so I was getting, I was getting texts from like our travel guy, like the week before. He was like, hey, do you have your passport on you? And so I was like looking at the schedule and I saw that Toronto was coming up and I was like, oh, shoot. Like this could be happening, happening. And. And so, yeah, that's, that's how I.
[129:45]
Big Cat
I initially debuted any, like, fun, fun video I would just prank. If I were the, the manager, I would do all pranks for all the videos.
[129:53]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[129:54]
Big Cat
Fake them. I'd be like, we're sending you down. Just kidding. We're sending you up.
[129:58]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, no, they didn't give me the, any, any special video after. After me. They were starting to do like the call of videos for guys and.
[130:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[130:05]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, no, it wasn't. Wasn't as special as the other ones.
[130:08]
Big Cat
What about you? Did you cry?
[130:11]
Tyler Phillips
No.
[130:11]
Big Cat
You cried?
[130:12]
Tyler Phillips
No, I wanted to. I was trying to. I was trying to force. There's no video. I didn't see a camera, so it didn't matter anymore.
[130:19]
PFT Commenter
It's harder to send you back down if you cried when you get brought up.
[130:22]
Big Cat
Right?
[130:22]
PFT Commenter
Like, it means so much to you.
[130:24]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, dude. I mean, no, mine was weird though. Like, it's. I took my opt out, so I had an upper mobility.
[130:29]
Big Cat
Wait, what does that mean?
[130:31]
Tyler Phillips
I just, I told the team, hey, I'm not going up. I want to take my chances being a friend. Free agent.
[130:37]
PFT Commenter
Oh, yourself?
[130:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, got it.
[130:38]
Tyler Phillips
Pretty much. Like, I had my opt out. We. I think we were in Durham and like the week before, Korea was offering me and it was like they were offering me like the max, like for the prorated amount I think somewhere around there that's just really far. And I was stressing out. Like I just remember it. I was like sitting outside my hotel. My family wasn't with me, and I'm just like pulling my hair out, sitting on the steps. Like, I don't know what to do. Like they wanted to just sit. Decision. I got a call like a Tuesday morning. They wanted the decision. The Tuesday night I was like, I, I need you guys to buy me more time. I think like Wednesday, I ultimately turned it down. Pitched Thursday, do really well. And then the first of the month was coming up, July 1st. My agent said like, hey, dude, like you turned Korea down. We're taking your upper mobility. Like you're opt out. So basically the team, the Phillies had to like put me on the, on the table for all the other teams to possibly take. And if anyone wanted me, then the Phillies had to decide if they wanted to protect me or not. So kind of putting the pressure on.
[131:41]
Big Cat
So if they protect you, then you go up automatically.
[131:44]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah. You have to be on the 26.
[131:45]
Big Cat
Oh, so you force their hand.
[131:46]
Tyler Phillips
Kind of forced their hand.
[131:47]
Big Cat
That's kind of baller.
[131:48]
Tyler Phillips
Felt weird because like I, I told my age, like, whatever, man. I trust you guys. And I knew, I think like the first day that teams were interested and now it was up to the Phillies. So the second, second day I was getting some calls like, hey, this might happen, right? There was like some weird scenarios where it was like, if you pitch this day, then you're going up with this team. If you pitch two innings this day, then you're going to be in the bullpen this day. And if you don't pitch at all, you're being traded. Like, okay. So I'm just again, still stressing out, don't know what's going on. And my manager called me on a double header day when I was supposed to pitch the night night game. And he said, where are you? I was like, I'm at home, it's 9:30. Why would I be at the field, right? Like, I'm pitching at seven. He goes, well, what if we needed you? And I was like, why would you need me pitching at seven? He's like, oh, well, with the roster change, he's like, just get in here now. Like my pitching coach texted me like, hey, like, like, where the are you, man? Like, you got to be here. I'm like, dude. So I'm thinking they're canceling my start and I'm being traded. Showed up to the field and they hit me with Kind of like a. Like, Kind of like a prank like you were talking about. They hit me with, like, why weren't you here? Like, you're late. I was like, no, I'm not. They said, well, you think you do whatever you want. I said, no, I don't. What do you think you're a big leaguer or something? Yeah, I do. They're like, okay, well, good, because you are awesome. Like, I already knew. Like, I knew, like, two days before, so it wasn't like this magical thing. And then they didn't know what move they were making for me yet, so I just sat at this. I sat in AAA for like, another two days, not doing anything until the team was able to make a roster move.
[133:31]
Big Cat
Was everyone judging you, being like, oh, you're. Oh, you're a big leaguer?
[133:36]
Tyler Phillips
You thought I was lying. They said, what the fuck are you still doing here, man? What, do you just, like, want to watch this series?
[133:40]
Kyle Stowers
Like, I don't know the rules or the, like, just the roster. Rules of baseball is unbelievable to me. I've never heard of the upper mobility clause. You know, people always ask, how much longer are you going to be with this team? And I go, I don't know. They have control over me for forever.
[133:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[133:53]
Kyle Stowers
It's so weird.
[133:54]
Tyler Phillips
That comes from them, too. Like, a lot of guys told me these never work. Yeah.
[133:58]
Big Cat
Because what would be the. Like, if you. If you do it and no one trades you, then you're just out of line.
[134:03]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, pretty much. Now your team knows.
[134:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[134:05]
Tyler Phillips
Now they're like, yeah, it's like practice.
[134:07]
PFT Commenter
Squad in the NFL. Except if you. If you have a downside to making the practice squad, too.
[134:11]
Hank
Yeah.
[134:11]
PFT Commenter
That's crazy with you, Kyle, when you have a different story forward. Because when you got brought up or you got. You made the team after spring training. Right. And then you just didn't play. So they were like, you know, we got to send you back down because you're not getting yet bats.
[134:25]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[134:25]
PFT Commenter
So that's kind of crazy. It's like, I made it, but then through something outside of my control, I'm no longer in the big leagues.
[134:31]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, that was. That was 23 for me. I. I had pretty good spring, made the team and just wasn't playing. And, you know, I had a pretty good 22 and thought, you know, maybe I was going to get the chance to play more frequently and. But, you know, obviously with the Orioles, there was a ton of good players and, you know, definitely some mind games happens with that when you feel like you're doing everything in your control and then. And then still not kind of cracking the roster consistently.
[134:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[134:55]
Big Cat
What's it. I always wondered this. When in minor league baseball, like, is it weird you're playing with your teammates and these are guys that you're are your teammates, but you're also competing against them every single day. Is that a weird feeling to be like, hey, I know. Know we're all on the same team here trying to win games, but at the end of the day, like, I want to do better than you because I want to get called up before you get called up.
[135:17]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. I mean, I think of it as kind of like an iron sharpens iron. You know what I mean? Like, you're all trying to, you know, kind of lift each other up by pushing each other and, you know, I've always kind of felt like, for me, that if I take care of my stuff, then, like, I'll end up where I'm supposed to be.
[135:30]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I agree with that. I don't think that anything good really comes from, like, trying to compete with a guy like, oh, like, I'm gonna beat you out. Like, I think if you, at least in my experience, like, I just try to help everyone, like, just being a good teammate, you're going to learn something from the next guy. And you don't know who. You want people in your corner.
[135:46]
Big Cat
Right.
[135:47]
Tyler Phillips
You don't want to, like, get people like, like, this guy. Don't be. He's not a good teammate.
[135:51]
Big Cat
Right.
[135:51]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[135:52]
Big Cat
I'm sure there are some guys in minors, you can feel it. Yeah. And they get frustrated probably. Did you guys ever have a moment where you're like, it's not going to work out. Like, I'm. I'm done with baseball.
[136:01]
Kyle Stowers
I feel like happens semi frequently, you know, a couple different times. You know, whether it's performance or injuries, you know, I had a lot of injuries in the end of 2023. Ended up getting, like, hit in the face at the end of the year and, like, felt very, very fat by. By the pitch.
[136:15]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. Like, how fast?
[136:16]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. 93 fastball.
[136:18]
PFT Commenter
Damn.
[136:18]
Big Cat
Why don't you turn, dude?
[136:19]
Kyle Stowers
I. Yeah, I wouldn't duck.
[136:23]
Big Cat
That's a shitty thing for me to say. Hey, bro, did you think about turning?
[136:28]
Kyle Stowers
And then I actually wanted to show my toughness, so I. I just stayed in there a little bit longer.
[136:32]
PFT Commenter
Kept my eye on the ball, bounce right back up.
[136:34]
Kyle Stowers
We are coming like, right, like, kind of like in between my eye and my nose.
[136:39]
PFT Commenter
Next time you get up to bat after that, are you it's got to be in your head a little bit, right?
[136:43]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. So I missed like two weeks and the rest of the year when I was facing lefties. I was like stepping out of the box. Like I was scared of the ball for, you know, for the rest of the season, which was only a couple more weeks, but it took me a little bit to get comfortable in there again.
[136:57]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's a natural reaction, I would imagine. Like, if there's something wrong with you if you get back in, you're like, I'm not afraid. Yeah, hit me again.
[137:03]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I did a ton of stuff with that. We had a bunch of like performance psychologists, like with the Orioles or, or performance coaches, and a couple of them worked with the, the Navy. And so, you know, it was also really humbling to talk to them about like something I was like, scared of from a performance standpoint because they're, you know, like, it's also like, oh, like you guys deal with people who actually deal with life and death. Right? So put. Put me in a little bit in my place.
[137:25]
PFT Commenter
I love that they're like, oh, you're afraid of the baseball. It's not a grenade, but yeah. Yeah, you'll be doing five rounds.
[137:32]
Big Cat
Have you, Tyler, have you, have you done sports psychology with. For pitching, I mean, pitching pitchers? I feel like that's such a mental game.
[137:39]
Tyler Phillips
It's pretty big. Yeah. I was fortunate, like with. When I was with the Rangers when I got drafted. Had a really good peak performance coach over there. Just pushing like routines. Pushing all like the, the mental stuff, staying confident. You know, it's. It's weird. Like a lot of stuff goes hand in hand. Like confidence and success. Like confidence leads to success, success leads to confidence. Lead. Weird. But yeah, just staying on top of stuff. Like I've been. I took up reading a little bit. Like once I had. Once I had my Tommy John, you know, just finding a way to just get better.
[138:14]
Big Cat
I just, I like, like I took up reading a little bit.
[138:17]
PFT Commenter
What do you read?
[138:19]
Tyler Phillips
A lot of like, self help books. Stuff that just, you know, helps the mind, I guess.
[138:24]
Big Cat
Yeah. Did you go straight from high school to, To.
[138:30]
Tyler Phillips
No, this. It was different. Game's different now. That's what everyone does. I went high school to rookie ball A.
[138:36]
Big Cat
Okay.
[138:37]
Tyler Phillips
And surprise, Arizona D. You didn't think.
[138:40]
Big Cat
About going to college?
[138:42]
Tyler Phillips
I don't think I could have.
[138:43]
Big Cat
Oh, really?
[138:43]
Tyler Phillips
I did not take up reading at that time in my life.
[138:46]
Big Cat
So Kyle went to Stanford. He's. Is he the smartest guy in the clubhouse?
[138:50]
Tyler Phillips
Are you? I Don't know.
[138:52]
Big Cat
Did you graduate at Stanford? I did.
[138:55]
Kyle Stowers
Smart communications.
[138:57]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
[138:58]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[138:58]
Tyler Phillips
Smartest communicator.
[138:59]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[139:00]
PFT Commenter
At Stanford. Are the. Are the baseball players cool? There are the cool guys on campus, like the Silicon Valley. We're going to be, you know, heading some AI company next year. Guys.
[139:09]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I would say probably. Probably more of those guys, the baseball guys. You know, some people care about sports, some people don't. You know, like, you'd be surprised by how many people are not out on a Friday night.
[139:20]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[139:20]
Kyle Stowers
You know, but did you meet any.
[139:22]
Big Cat
Of those future billionaires?
[139:23]
Kyle Stowers
You know, I feel like I did not do a good enough job of networking there. I was like, kind of just in my own world, trying to survive a little bit.
[139:30]
Big Cat
You should have given, like, cool kid classes.
[139:32]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[139:33]
Big Cat
Just been like, come hang with a baseball. Yeah.
[139:35]
PFT Commenter
You want to see how we party?
[139:36]
Big Cat
Yeah. Just like, learn locker room etiquette.
[139:38]
Kyle Stowers
You always knew the athletes on campus because of the red backpack. If they had the red Nike backpack or like the Gatorade, like, water bottle. I tell you knew who that's where.
[139:46]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
[139:47]
PFT Commenter
You can't just go out and buy the red backpack.
[139:49]
Kyle Stowers
I think you can, but if you.
[139:50]
PFT Commenter
Do stolen valves, you can't do that. So. So, Kyle, with you, you know the importance of routines. We're talking about pitching, but for hitting. I'm always fascinated by the different routines guys get into in the batter's box and how kind of the pitch clock might have screwed some of those up. Like, you look at dudes, like, back in the day, no more would have like, nine, ten different things. You can't do that with a pitch clock. Now, how did you come up with your batting routine?
[140:14]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, like pre pitch. Yeah, like, yeah, for me. Deep breath. And I look at the name on my bat. I used to look at the logo when we had metal bats because it looked like a field. But now I look at the name of my bat and I just remind myself that the same guy playing the same game and that, you know, nothing, nothing's changed. And I try to just get in.
[140:32]
PFT Commenter
The present moment, just lock in, like, tunnel vision.
[140:34]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[140:35]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. So what about you on the mound?
[140:36]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I mean, that breath is important. I don't necessarily, like, love the pitch clock, but, you know, you get used to it. I think in the beginning I was, like, really sped up where, you know, especially out of the bullpen, like, I was a starter before, so, like, it's not that far of a, of a run or I usually walk out of the bull or out of the Dugout. But yeah, I get on the mound and now you feel the heart rate going. You feel the adrenaline. So you have to take like, make sure the breath isn't fake. That makes sense. I just try to make sure that I'm doing it so the dugout can see it even if they can't. Like, it feels right. And then at that point, you know, you're in the game like it's, it's. You're going to war. So my thing, I took it from Mike Tyson. He's always stared his opponent down in the eyes and when he, when they broke eye contact, he knew he won. So that's kind of something that I do. I'm not as scary as Mike Tyson, but. Yeah, but it makes me feel, makes me feel like, hey, like it's on now.
[141:38]
Big Cat
Remember the Madison bum garner with the ump stare down?
[141:42]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[141:42]
Big Cat
That was awesome.
[141:43]
PFT Commenter
Which up was that? Was that angel?
[141:44]
Big Cat
I can't remember. I don't remember. That went on for like a minute and a half. He just stood there staring.
[141:50]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I don't know how the umpire kept that going because.
[141:53]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, respect.
[141:54]
Big Cat
Kyle. This is a dumb question because I, I'm assuming the answer is just gonna be it was sweet. But how, how awesome was it to hit a walk off home run?
[142:02]
Kyle Stowers
That was wild. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that was.
[142:05]
Big Cat
Had you hit one before in any other like, level?
[142:08]
Kyle Stowers
I like a summer ball of like, like in between college season. During the summer you play like a random team and I, I did one then never in the big leagues that I had a walk off and you.
[142:20]
Big Cat
Hit it off a very good closer in.
[142:22]
Kyle Stowers
Mm, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was crazy.
[142:24]
Big Cat
So, so when you, when you hit it, were you like, did you go extra slow around the bases? I would take so long going around the base. If I hit a walk off home run, it would take me like five minutes.
[142:33]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I mean, I mean to your point, like, it's just like, you know, felt like I probably didn't soak it in enough. I hit it and I kind of knew it was getting over his head. I just was kind of watching to see if it was going to get over the fence or not and kind of seeing this video, I kind of do like this weird point where I'm kind of going up and down and I can't really tell if it went over the fence or not, but it was, it was awesome.
[142:51]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[142:52]
PFT Commenter
How fast was that pitch that he threw you?
[142:53]
Kyle Stowers
It was 101.7.
[142:55]
Big Cat
Damn.
[142:56]
PFT Commenter
How. What's the fastest pitch that you Ever. Like, I'm sure that you've seen some fast pitches in games, but when you get in the. In the. In the cage, what's the fastest you've ever dialed it up to?
[143:04]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I feel like the machine, we try to dial it up to, like, over 100, like, but, you know, it's just when you do it off the machine and, you know it's a fastball coming, like, you kind of, like, you know, you can kind of predict a little bit more. I don't think I've ever hit a ball over 100 in a real game before, so. That was. That was cool.
[143:21]
PFT Commenter
What was the exit V on that?
[143:22]
Kyle Stowers
I think it was 107.
[143:23]
PFT Commenter
That's got to feel good.
[143:24]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[143:25]
PFT Commenter
Do you even feel it when you hit it?
[143:26]
Kyle Stowers
No, you don't feel it off the bat? It's the best.
[143:28]
Big Cat
It just. Yeah. Goes with it.
[143:29]
Kyle Stowers
No, it's just.
[143:30]
Tyler Phillips
Dude caught barrel, man.
[143:32]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, it's. There's no feeling like it other than going down the middle of the fairway.
[143:36]
Hank
Yeah.
[143:37]
Kyle Stowers
That's the closest thing, I think, that is like that.
[143:39]
PFT Commenter
When you hit a walk off, I have to imagine that the. The trot around the bases is usually faster because you got the adrenaline.
[143:45]
Big Cat
Okay. Yeah.
[143:45]
PFT Commenter
You, like, almost end up sprinting around the bases, but if you. If you hit like a go ahead in the ninth, then you can kind of pimp it a little bit.
[143:50]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't pimp that one. I didn't know for sure that I got it. Miami's a little bit bigger of a park. That would have been. The only thing that could have made it better is if I knew it right off the bat and got to kind of look at it for a little bit.
[144:01]
PFT Commenter
You'll also never be the biggest pimp in that park because Marlin's man's there.
[144:04]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[144:04]
PFT Commenter
Do you guys know. You guys know Marlin's man?
[144:06]
Big Cat
No.
[144:06]
Kyle Stowers
I feel like he doesn't come to our games.
[144:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[144:08]
PFT Commenter
Is he still off the team?
[144:09]
Big Cat
Like, is he. I don't know.
[144:10]
PFT Commenter
Is he away? They kind of him over, though, like, to be clear.
[144:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[144:13]
PFT Commenter
All he wanted to do was, like, throw out every first pitch.
[144:16]
Big Cat
Yeah. He offered Derek J. A blank check to basically run the Marlins.
[144:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[144:22]
Kyle Stowers
So you want to be the gm?
[144:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[144:24]
PFT Commenter
You want to have Marlins man appreciation day at the park? He wanted, like, six tickets for him and his mermaids that he brings.
[144:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[144:30]
PFT Commenter
It's really. Yeah.
[144:30]
Kyle Stowers
All the reasonable stuff.
[144:31]
PFT Commenter
Two things missing from the Marlins is the giant fish statue in center field. I know they moved it Outside the park. But the giant fish that would jump in the air at a home run and then Marlin's man not being there, it's, it's kind of. I, I yearn for the days of like 2018, you know, Marlin's man showing up.
[144:47]
Big Cat
Yeah, he was, that was his heyday. I, I have a dumb hypothetical for you guys and this works because. Hitter, pitcher, you, I don't know, you probably didn't see it, but last week Ryan Presley, the Cubs closer, had maybe the worst outing I've ever seen he had. He gave up eight earned runs, walk, five hits, zero outs. So 25 pitches, zero outs, eight earned runs. I think I honestly could get an out before that because it would fuck you up so bad that I'm throwing 55 miles an hour and like you'd probably fly one out. Do you think that's fair?
[145:20]
Tyler Phillips
So I think that's fair.
[145:21]
Kyle Stowers
I mean, position players, have you seen the position players? They come in. It's the weirdest thing. Like if usually when you bring in a position player, your team's giving up a ton of runs, right. And the position player will come in and get three out super quick. And everyone's just like, right is one.
[145:36]
Tyler Phillips
Of our good relief.
[145:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. So you think that I could get a single out in, in a big league game, just be just. And again, it's obviously not like I'm striking anyone out. It's just they would hit one to the warning.
[145:46]
Tyler Phillips
I think you get three outs.
[145:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[145:47]
Tyler Phillips
Like, honestly, Max has to do that. Somebody, somebody to go to. Somebody.
[145:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[145:54]
Tyler Phillips
Like there's no, like it just goes against odds for the ball to just keep landing in the grass somewhere.
[145:58]
Big Cat
Right.
[145:59]
Kyle Stowers
It's like the weirdest thing because like when you face a position player as a hitter, it turns into like this like fear based thing. If I don't want to strike out.
[146:06]
Big Cat
Right.
[146:06]
Kyle Stowers
What if I get out versus like, you know, when you're facing a real pitcher, you're like, you don't lock in.
[146:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:11]
PFT Commenter
And you know that he's going to be actually planning his pitches and you can kind of like get inside and say, okay, this feels like a fastball. This feels like maybe some off speed stuff. If it's a guy from the outfield, it's like, here comes some junk that I'm not going to have any idea, you know, how to hit. It's going to be 55 miles per hour.
[146:25]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, no, we did. We have a dingers only league, fantasy league where it's just home runs because we don't really like fantasy. Fantasy sports are just confusing and annoying after a while. So we just do home runs and loser has to pitch against a college team. Last year, PFT pitched against uic. Did well.
[146:43]
PFT Commenter
I got. I think they scored three runs and two innings.
[146:46]
Big Cat
Wow.
[146:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. So I was pretty pumped about it.
[146:48]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:48]
PFT Commenter
But again, I was, like, so slow. I was pitching. I think it was like 68, 60, 69.
[146:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:52]
PFT Commenter
But I was pretty wild. Yeah, it was pretty nice. Big cat was behind the plate, so I had a nice big target.
[146:56]
Big Cat
Yeah, I did drop. I did drop a third strike. But threw him out after.
[146:59]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, pretty much.
[147:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[147:01]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[147:02]
Kyle Stowers
How bad did your arm feel after?
[147:03]
PFT Commenter
It was very sore the next day. Very, very sore. Yeah.
[147:06]
Tyler Phillips
Was that all you had?
[147:08]
PFT Commenter
I gave it everything.
[147:09]
Tyler Phillips
Like you were letting it go.
[147:10]
PFT Commenter
There were a couple where I was like. I was like, I'm really gonna dial it up.
[147:13]
Big Cat
I was so judgmental. Listen.
[147:15]
Tyler Phillips
I mean, I don't know, like, the position players come in and just flip it. Like, I'm 40.
[147:19]
PFT Commenter
I'm 40 years old. There were a couple where I'm like, you know what? I'm going to reach back and really let this one eat. And I think those got all the way up to, like, 71.5 miles per hour.
[147:27]
Big Cat
Wait, so, Tyler, how fast could you throw? Just playing catch, like, not even trying to throw hard.
[147:32]
Tyler Phillips
I don't know.
[147:34]
Big Cat
You're probably in, like, the mid-70s.
[147:35]
Tyler Phillips
It's probably. Yeah, I guess if I'm taking it easy, probably.
[147:38]
Big Cat
Wait, what's. What's the fastest fastball you've thrown?
[147:41]
Tyler Phillips
97.
[147:41]
Big Cat
Okay.
[147:42]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, that's pretty. Trying to get. Trying to get it up there.
[147:44]
Big Cat
That's pretty sick.
[147:45]
PFT Commenter
When you guys were in Little League where you just dominant, were you just, like, scaring people?
[147:49]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I was. I was really good Little league pitcher. Good hitter, too. But I was. Yeah, I think I threw. I think I threw 72 at 12.
[147:55]
Big Cat
Oh, that's pretty.
[147:56]
Tyler Phillips
I feel like. I feel like if you're a major leaguer, you're probably the best Little leaguer in your town. It just has to correlate that.
[148:03]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I know, but, like, then there's some of those guys that, like, come on, grow early, and then they stop growing after, like, that 13, 14 years old, and then they kind of plateau.
[148:14]
Big Cat
Hank was a great Little League, and he. Because he was also. He had, like, the age thing where he was the oldest, slightly older.
[148:20]
PFT Commenter
Good birthday.
[148:21]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, Yeah, I was younger.
[148:22]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[148:23]
Tyler Phillips
I was like, two years above for everything.
[148:25]
Big Cat
Did you guys play other sports?
[148:27]
Kyle Stowers
Played Basketball in high school.
[148:28]
Big Cat
Were you good?
[148:30]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I was pretty good. I mean. I mean, I played a small, small high school, but I was decent.
[148:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[148:35]
PFT Commenter
Were other parents, like, scared of you when you were pitching? It's like, I don't want my son in the box against that guy.
[148:40]
Tyler Phillips
Me?
[148:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[148:43]
Tyler Phillips
New Jersey baseball. I mean, I threw strikes, but I threw hard, so maybe.
[148:47]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, maybe.
[148:47]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah. New Jersey, like, if you're throwing over 90 or you're like Nolan Ryan.
[148:51]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[148:52]
Big Cat
So I feel like Southern California, like, they just. Everyone's a baseball player.
[148:56]
Hank
Yeah. Yeah.
[148:57]
Big Cat
They just. MLB players just sprout out of the ground there.
[149:00]
Tyler Phillips
Normal for them.
[149:01]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. 100.
[149:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[149:02]
Kyle Stowers
I actually have a. I remember when I was, like, in. Not T ball, but it was like, when, you know, start. Started being like, player pitch, not coach pitch. And I remember crying one time because there was one guy who hit a person, and I was like, kind of coming up next. And I remember, like, crying because I didn't want to get in the box. Probably like, every bit of, like, 6 years old, but, yeah.
[149:22]
Tyler Phillips
Dodger, man. Not. Not good at dodging the ball, hitting the face.
[149:27]
Big Cat
I don't know. What.
[149:28]
PFT Commenter
I could teach you some. Some tips. I'm a big, crazy.
[149:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:31]
PFT Commenter
I'm just terrified of the ball all the way back.
[149:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:34]
PFT Commenter
I'm really good at not getting hit by it because I just don't even try.
[149:37]
Big Cat
Hey, we. We threw this out there to the brewers. And I know, Kyle, you play in the outfield, so you can't probably do this, but Tyler, maybe you can. Why don't you guys do a hidden ball trick? Can you try one time this year?
[149:53]
Tyler Phillips
Look, because it looks. It looks like. You look like a pussy. I guess.
[149:56]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:56]
PFT Commenter
But still, not if it works, though.
[149:58]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:59]
Tyler Phillips
I had a kid try to do that for me in short season. Like, I was throwing pretty well, and he came up to me like someone got on third somehow. And he comes up to me, he goes, tyler, give me the ball. I was like, why? I'm pitching. I got to throw this ball. He's like, no, just give me it. Trust me. And he walks. He. I give him the ball. He walks over to 30, stands there, and, like, the. The ball's dead. Like, it's not even in play. And he, like, goes and tags the guy, and the umpire's like, what are you doing?
[150:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[150:25]
Tyler Phillips
So, like, I felt stupid. My coach was like, what the are you doing, dude? Like. Like, I. I like, yeah, that's never happening again. I will never let that ever happen.
[150:33]
PFT Commenter
Especially in, like, short season.
[150:34]
Tyler Phillips
Like, yeah, like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all.
[150:38]
Big Cat
Have you ever successfully talked your manager out of not pulling you in a game? I love when pitchers do that. I think that's like, that's a hos thing you got to have.
[150:48]
Tyler Phillips
I don't think it's ever worked, cuz. Trying to protect you. Especially, like, how baseball is now. Like, everyone. I feel like Tommy John's just like a normal thing.
[150:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[150:56]
Tyler Phillips
Um, I've definitely tried. I didn't think Philly was gonna let me go. I was. I had my, like, my whole speech ready to go too. Like, it was the eighth inning in my. In my cg and I was like, yeah, you complete.
[151:06]
Big Cat
He got it. You. You got a complete game shut out. Yeah.
[151:08]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I was. I had it already. I was sitting down in the tunnel, like, legs bouncing. I'm like, if he comes in here and tries to pull me, I know what I'm gonna say. Like, there's no way I'm letting this happen. But yeah, other. Other than that, like, I don't think the managers will let you go. I. I even try here. Like, I'm a reliever. N. Dude, I'm good. Like, let me keep going. He's like, we need you tomorrow.
[151:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. How. How fun is it in the outfield for relievers? Because I feel like that would be really fun. Like, the guys just hanging out. I know it. Obviously, once it gets later in the innings, you're like, oh, someone's up.
[151:37]
Tyler Phillips
When I first got here, I was sticking the mud, man, I was trying. I was all so locked in. Like, I'm like studying hitters, cuz, like, I'm a starter. Like, I was a starter and I didn't know how it all worked. Now I'm kind of keeping a loose. Like, it's. It's still the Baileys. Like, you still need to be locked in for the most part, but like the minor leagues, you know, everyone's like, beef gazing or whatever. Like, just. Just trying to. Trying to see who's. Trying to see who's out there. Like, what the talent's like. Yeah. And now I just. Now I just mess around. One of our bullpen catchers, he came up from like, high A or something, and I just mess around with him the whole time. Just try to learn Spanish. He's a. He's a Mexican dude. Try to learn some Spanish. Spanish. Teach him some English. A lot of bad words, dude.
[152:19]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, Bullpen catcher. That's got to be the best gig ever.
[152:21]
Tyler Phillips
I mean, the kid was In Beloit. Is that. Is that what it is? He's in Beloit and, you know, he misses playing, obviously. Like, I, I love the dude so far, but you're in the big leagues, dude.
[152:33]
Big Cat
Right.
[152:33]
Tyler Phillips
Like, you're, you're. He saw, he got to see la. He's in Chicago right now for a week.
[152:38]
Kyle Stowers
Good spread, good hotels.
[152:41]
Big Cat
Does he get treated like he's on the team or is it. It kind of.
[152:43]
Tyler Phillips
I mean, I try to treat him.
[152:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[152:45]
Tyler Phillips
Like, I mean, I buy the kid drinks like at the hotel sometimes, like, come here. Like, where are you going?
[152:49]
Big Cat
Let's go. Yeah.
[152:51]
Tyler Phillips
You know, they take care of me.
[152:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[152:53]
Tyler Phillips
He's out there getting, taking a beating like, every single night. Like bullpens, whatever. I think that's probably, honestly a pretty cool gig.
[153:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[153:02]
PFT Commenter
Would you used to get nervous on days that you had to start?
[153:07]
Tyler Phillips
Sometimes, like, I think, like, depends. Like, if I had a bad outing, the one before, I'm like, oh, here we go, man, I hope this doesn't go bad again. I think like Seattle last year, I got banged up and I had la. Literally like the Dodgers, the next, the next series or the next game. I was like, yeah, dude, I got sh. Leading off. I was like, a little nervous. But once you throw the first pitch, you're good.
[153:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I feel like that's gotta be a, A change mentally going from being a starting pitcher to. Or leaf pitcher to.
[153:37]
Big Cat
Like, you could.
[153:37]
PFT Commenter
Any given day, you go to the ballpark, you could have the ball.
[153:40]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, see, that's. See, that's where it's different. Like, starting. I knew, like, I knew how to, like, it was like a build up.
[153:44]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[153:44]
Tyler Phillips
Relieving. It's like you could go in at any point. I don't, like, we don't have many, like, set roles with this team. Like, everybody could go in at any point. I just know that I'm one of the longer guys, but if they need me in a close game, it's like you got to be ready for that. And like, you. You feel the blood flowing.
[154:02]
Big Cat
I don't.
[154:03]
Tyler Phillips
I think it's a little nerves, little butterflies, but it's a lot of just like the adrenaline, like, you just feel it, like leaving your brain, just coursing through your body. It's crazy.
[154:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[154:12]
PFT Commenter
Do you pitch differently coming in as a reliever as opposed to getting a starting? Like, if you're, if you're starting the first inning, top of the first, you know who you're going to be facing.
[154:19]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, all the game planning as a. As A starter. I was talking to Match Drama about it last year. So. Yeah, starters like the SWAT team, man, like, you get everything. All the planning, like you know, the map of everything thing, you know, who's hitting, what, who isn't. Relievers, you. You pay attention to the game. But he told me, hey, man, just go in and throw your best. Like, you got your plan. If whatever you do to lefties do with the lefties, whatever you do the righties do with the righties, like, just go out there and try to throw it as hard as you can. And yeah, don't. Don't bring the team VO down, don't bring the bulk and VLO down and don't bring the ERA up. I was like, okay, yeah, cool.
[154:55]
Big Cat
Kyle, how many homes runs are you gonna hit this year? You have seven.
[154:57]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, seven, I think.
[154:59]
Big Cat
So you hit two home runs in two separate games. So maybe we gotta. I mean, keep doing that but like spread it out a little too.
[155:07]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, no, I mean, be a huge honor to get drafted in that Dingers only league. Put that, Put my name in the hat there.
[155:14]
PFT Commenter
All right.
[155:15]
Big Cat
I mean, seven home runs is not like, that's. You could be. You could be a pick in that.
[155:19]
Kyle Stowers
I'm trying to put a little bit of an audition tape out for you guys.
[155:21]
PFT Commenter
Sure. If it was Dynasty.
[155:23]
Big Cat
It also, it also helps that I have your phone number now because I might like call you and do a draft video being like, hey, you want to play for my team?
[155:31]
Kyle Stowers
Kind of like what you guys did with Gunner last year.
[155:34]
Big Cat
You want to get on the team? Okay, so how many are you going to hit, though? Yeah, make your pick, make your pitch to us. For the Dingers only league.
[155:42]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, I mean, seven home runs, I think, you know, it's a decent start. You know, it's not necessarily a league leader, but I think it's a good number. You know, I've always considered myself to get better as the year goes on.
[155:53]
Big Cat
So that's good because the league doesn't start till July. Yeah, we just let half the season.
[155:58]
Kyle Stowers
So what if I made a promise to save some?
[156:00]
Big Cat
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[156:02]
PFT Commenter
A couple post. Yeah, post all star break.
[156:04]
Big Cat
You do need to get. You need to be in. To basically be drafted in the Dingers only league is like somewhere in July. You need to be in like the top 10 in your position group because that's basically how we draft is. Everyone just looks at how many hit and we're just like, all right, that guy's going to keep doing that.
[156:20]
Kyle Stowers
So, like, if I Had my grand slam, like, right before the draft, that would have been, like, huge.
[156:23]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
[156:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. But I mean, that's almost too huge because I don't want to have to compete against anybody to draft you, you know?
[156:29]
Smiley Kaufman
Yeah.
[156:29]
PFT Commenter
Like, I want. I want you to be my hidden gem that I pick.
[156:32]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[156:32]
PFT Commenter
But, yeah, if you got to hit a couple grand slams and.
[156:34]
Big Cat
Yeah, I would.
[156:35]
PFT Commenter
I would probably encourage that.
[156:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[156:37]
Kyle Stowers
No, I mean, I. In all serious, I think, like, 20 is a cool number, but, you know, I think I have the ability to do more than that.
[156:42]
Tyler Phillips
But bullpen's been talking. We're putting a bounty out for like 35. I'm serious, dude.
[156:48]
Big Cat
We.
[156:48]
Tyler Phillips
We play the hat game out there. There's a hat down for you every single at bat.
[156:52]
Kyle Stowers
Oh, yeah, I know.
[156:53]
Tyler Phillips
Not to put pressure on you, but that is $20 coming out of all of our pockets.
[156:57]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, well, I mean, if I start to play poorly, I'll just blame you guys then.
[157:01]
Big Cat
Okay.
[157:01]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, absolutely.
[157:03]
Tyler Phillips
Do you ever need bp? We got you too.
[157:05]
Big Cat
Yeah. Tyler, we got to bring up. Your son hates Blooper.
[157:09]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[157:10]
Big Cat
Is he scared of him or he hates him?
[157:12]
Tyler Phillips
Maybe a little bit of both.
[157:13]
Big Cat
We can't show weakness.
[157:15]
Tyler Phillips
Maybe a little bit of both.
[157:15]
Big Cat
He just hates him.
[157:16]
Tyler Phillips
Well, now he's getting bigger, so I think he understands.
[157:19]
Big Cat
Right.
[157:19]
Tyler Phillips
Like, I've tried to groom him into a.
[157:21]
Big Cat
Wait, Blooper's getting bigger. I mean, he's fat. Blooper's a fat.
[157:24]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, no, my son's getting bigger. He's getting a little bit more brave with mascots. Okay. And I've had the conversation with. With my girl too. Like, she. She thinks I'm lying. I. I don't know. You guys found an article. Was it in an article that I said?
[157:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, I think you say, yeah, you had it.
[157:39]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah. She would have told me that I was playing. How would I know know? But yeah, I just. I think he just doesn't. Doesn't with him, man. Like. Like I've groomed him to. To like the fanatic, man. That's my guy.
[157:51]
Big Cat
That's. That's like a smart kid, a four year old being like. I don't. With that.
[157:55]
Tyler Phillips
He doesn't. He doesn't like any mascots, but the fanatic he's friendly with.
[157:59]
Big Cat
Okay.
[158:00]
Tyler Phillips
Like a little bit more so than the others.
[158:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[158:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. So you said after your MLB debut, he. About your son, he was crying after the game. I was hoping it was happy too. Years, but he was really just scared of the Braves mascot.
[158:12]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, that's. That Sounds about right.
[158:14]
Big Cat
Like, he doesn't.
[158:14]
Tyler Phillips
He doesn't watch now. I hope he watches the games now. But he wasn't watching then. Yeah, he just want. Where's the playground?
[158:20]
PFT Commenter
Right.
[158:20]
Tyler Phillips
Where's the playground?
[158:21]
Big Cat
Give me some treats.
[158:22]
Tyler Phillips
Where's the cotton candy? That's all he cared about.
[158:24]
Big Cat
Yeah. What treats? At games? Yeah. I take my kids to games, and it's just like, I have to, like, basically have a manager, like, having like, a set plan for the. For the game being like. All right, first thing we're doing, hot dog, third inning. We're gonna do some candy.
[158:38]
Kyle Stowers
Andy. Yep.
[158:40]
Big Cat
Maybe we'll mix in a pretzel.
[158:41]
Tyler Phillips
I couldn't even imagine what it's like for. For my girlfriend, like, to. To even try to manage that.
[158:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[158:47]
Tyler Phillips
Luckily, like, the Phillies, they had. They had like their. They had like a daycare system going on there. So, like, they had like, their kids playroom. He was just. He was just there. And she got. She got to sit back and relax for once. But, like, the minor league games. Oh, that's got to be miserable.
[159:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:01]
PFT Commenter
What's it. What's the biggest difference behind the scenes for you guys going from minor leagues to major leagues? Like the spread in the clubhouse.
[159:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:09]
Kyle Stowers
Spread flying commercial. Like, you're usually flying out, like 6:00am on Mondays.
[159:13]
Tyler Phillips
Oh, dude, the bus rides were brutal.
[159:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:16]
Kyle Stowers
Longer bus rides. Locker rooms aren't as nice. Hotels aren't as nice. Food's not as good.
[159:22]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:23]
Tyler Phillips
You pretty much just turn into a king, like, overnight.
[159:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:25]
Tyler Phillips
It's like. Like you. It's.
[159:28]
Kyle Stowers
Pays less.
[159:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:30]
Tyler Phillips
Is less.
[159:31]
Big Cat
Who's got the best clubhouse in the majors?
[159:35]
Kyle Stowers
I'd say for a visitor, Yankees or Rangers?
[159:38]
Tyler Phillips
I've heard the Yankees. The Rangers. Brand new.
[159:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:41]
Kyle Stowers
Yankees just have their food. The visiting food there is unbelievable.
[159:44]
Big Cat
Do you think they do that on purpose, trying to fatten you guys?
[159:46]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. Slow you down.
[159:48]
PFT Commenter
What was the spread?
[159:49]
Kyle Stowers
It's always like, some form of steak, fish, and, like, chicken. And then sometimes there's like, a pasta bar, and then there's a carving station.
[159:57]
PFT Commenter
It's crazy carvings. I would get so fat.
[159:59]
Big Cat
Do any teams have, like, a frozen yogurt machine?
[160:02]
Kyle Stowers
Two of them. The Red Sox.
[160:05]
Big Cat
Okay.
[160:05]
Kyle Stowers
And the one we just went. Seattle.
[160:07]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[160:08]
Big Cat
That's sick.
[160:09]
Kyle Stowers
They got, like, Oreos and M and.
[160:10]
Big Cat
Ms. That's so sick.
[160:13]
Tyler Phillips
The guys have been trying rocks. They've been trying to get one in Miami.
[160:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. I want to be in major league baseball just for the ice cream.
[160:22]
PFT Commenter
That's pretty sick. It's like a golden corral Every time you go to a different ballpark.
[160:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[160:25]
Kyle Stowers
I mean, you always have options. It's crazy.
[160:27]
Big Cat
How long after a game does it take you guys to like actually wind down and go to sleep? Is it like, are you wired for a long time?
[160:34]
Tyler Phillips
Time, Yes. I mean, pitching. Yes. I don't know how you guys are because you play every day. But. But pitching. Once you're out there, I mean, you're at the earliest. It's like two o' clock.
[160:44]
Big Cat
Really?
[160:45]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah. Like you're just wired. I usually just go home, get on the game or something.
[160:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[160:49]
Tyler Phillips
Wire myself up a little bit more until the crash happens.
[160:53]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. I usually stay up till about probably one. Stay at the clubhouse for a little bit while after to try to. Try to wind down. So I don't bring anything home. Home to. To my wife.
[161:02]
Big Cat
Yeah. That's smart.
[161:03]
Tyler Phillips
That's a big thing. That's very smart. Like, a lot of guys try to rush out. Like, I don't know what you're rushing to. I. Because we. We've been in there.
[161:10]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
[161:11]
Tyler Phillips
And it's like, you know, like 30 minutes after the game. Like, where is everyone?
[161:13]
Big Cat
Yeah, Yeah.
[161:15]
Tyler Phillips
I picked that up from like nola. Like, he had his. He had his little corner. He had a little whiskey corner where a lot of the guys would just go over there and you just decompress. Talk the game.
[161:24]
Big Cat
Right.
[161:24]
Tyler Phillips
It's good for team building too.
[161:26]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[161:26]
Kyle Stowers
I like talking about, like the game for sure. With someone.
[161:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[161:29]
PFT Commenter
What game do you play with you get home?
[161:34]
Tyler Phillips
A lot of them. Mainly cod.
[161:35]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[161:36]
Big Cat
Nice. You got a squad?
[161:38]
Tyler Phillips
Couple boys back home. Yeah. Big soldier. Vin Mer. I'll shout them out. My guys. I got the mayonnaise. Yeah. Couple boys from back home.
[161:48]
Big Cat
Shout out. Demand is.
[161:50]
PFT Commenter
You said big soldier.
[161:51]
Tyler Phillips
Big soldier. Yeah.
[161:52]
Big Cat
Soul.
[161:53]
Tyler Phillips
Like S O U L. Of course. Yeah, yeah, of course.
[161:55]
Big Cat
Love that.
[161:56]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, man, We. We get going. Those are my late night guys. The man is married now, so he's. He's the daytime guy.
[162:04]
Big Cat
I would love to see him demand his wedding.
[162:08]
Tyler Phillips
Just mayo everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. It's a lot of gaming, though. That's. That's like one of my vices.
[162:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. Max, do you have any questions for these guys? Because I. Max at one point wanted to be a big leaguer. He played college ball at Hofstra. Matt Stairs of the caa. Nobody. Big deal. Any questions about big league life?
[162:31]
Max
I mean, I didn't really have many questions about big league life, to be honest. I mean, I never really thought I was going to be a big Leaguer. I just wanted to play college baseball. Just to, like, tell people I played college baseball. And then when I got there, I.
[162:44]
Kyle Stowers
Was like, this sucks.
[162:47]
Tyler Phillips
It wouldn't be the first time I heard that.
[162:49]
Max
No. Yeah, so that I played two. I played red shirted one year. Played one year, and I was like, this is it for me. You said summer ball. Summer ball's the worst.
[162:58]
Kyle Stowers
The first year, I didn't want to do it, and then I just didn't play my freshman year a lot. And I was like, okay, I have to do it.
[163:04]
Big Cat
Why is summer ball the worst? Just because you're living.
[163:07]
Max
Because someone else plays so much baseball all year round, and you're like, waking up at 5am and then you finally finish the season and you're like, nice, summer's here. And then it's like, nope, you have to move to, like, Wisconsin.
[163:21]
Kyle Stowers
Live with a host family and live.
[163:22]
Max
With a host family family and play every single day again.
[163:26]
PFT Commenter
What's that like moving into just a totally random stranger's house and being like, hey, I'm kind of gonna be a son for you for two months?
[163:34]
Kyle Stowers
I've been pretty lucky with my experiences, but it is. It is different. It's just weird going into it, you know? And you're kind of just like. You have your bag and you walk in, you're like, well, nice to meet you. And do those guys.
[163:46]
Big Cat
Do those families get paid? Do they get a stipend?
[163:48]
Kyle Stowers
I think so. They get, like. They get something. Some form of compensation.
[163:51]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah, I think they're just. They're big fans, too.
[163:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[163:53]
Tyler Phillips
I did it in. In the minor leagues, short season.
[163:56]
Kyle Stowers
You hear some crazy stories about, like, guys, like, staying with, like, families that have, like, daughters.
[164:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[164:02]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, you hear some crazy stories.
[164:05]
Big Cat
There was a one I. I threw out a first pitch when we used to live in New York, I. In the Hamptons. And that seemed like a pretty good summer league.
[164:11]
Kyle Stowers
That'd be a good.
[164:12]
Big Cat
Probably not very competitive, but it seemed like those guys were living a pretty good life.
[164:16]
Kyle Stowers
Well, the Cape Cod's a big one.
[164:18]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[164:18]
Kyle Stowers
That's a great, great place to be.
[164:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[164:20]
PFT Commenter
You got, like, three teenage daughters, and then you invite a baseball player into your house. I feel like there's something going on with that dad.
[164:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[164:27]
PFT Commenter
He just really wants a ball player grandson. Yeah.
[164:30]
Big Cat
Yeah. What were you gonna say, Max?
[164:32]
Max
The Hamptons was, like the. The summer league transplant of, like, all the kids on my team.
[164:37]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[164:37]
Max
And I, like, chose not to do the Hamptons league.
[164:39]
Smiley Kaufman
Why?
[164:40]
Max
Well, I went to California. I played in like the West Coast Coast League.
[164:43]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah, that's why I play there.
[164:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[164:44]
Max
And I thought that it was going to be, like, way better baseball and. But the. It was brutal. I play. I lived in this house with, like, 15 other guys.
[164:53]
Kyle Stowers
What team did you play for?
[164:55]
Max
The San. Like, we weren't even, like. I was. It was also this guy, like, pitched me on the West Coast League. It, like, wasn't a real West Coast League team.
[165:02]
Big Cat
Oh.
[165:02]
Max
It was the San Francisco Seals. Stephen Kwan was on my team, though, so that was cool.
[165:06]
Smiley Kaufman
Oh, really?
[165:06]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. That kind of sounds like the California League.
[165:09]
Max
I don't know. We played teams on the west coast. In the West Coast.
[165:12]
Kyle Stowers
Okay.
[165:12]
Max
But it. We had, like, 10 guys living in one house with, like, the. The GM.
[165:18]
Tyler Phillips
Sounds like a good time.
[165:19]
Max
And it was like, no, it was not a good time. It was a bad time. I feel like the point, like, everyone else on my team played in the Hamptons League with, like, this. The sickest setup ever. My one buddy lived in a guest house of this, like, super rich person on the beach. So he had his own house on the beach in the Hamptons. And then he played. He was a pitcher. He, like, pitched every fifth day. Every fifth day, and then just chilled so hard.
[165:43]
Tyler Phillips
Sounds like a big league.
[165:45]
PFT Commenter
Is the point of summer ball if you're. If you're a hitter just to track pitches all the time? Because if you don't track pitches, you kind of. That's a big part that you lose.
[165:51]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. I think you just, like, generally speaking, in baseball, for hitters, just getting as many at bats as you possibly can. And so, like, you see guys, like, if they get injured, like, and miss a lot of the season, they'll go play winter ball now and like, the dog or. Or something like that. So I think it's just always about getting as many at bats as you possibly can because pitchers need more rest time for their arms and headers. You can just keep going.
[166:11]
PFT Commenter
Get back. Yeah. We were talking to Schwarber when he came. It was after he came back from his acl and he said that when they were thinking about bringing him back up for the playoffs, he just stood in the batter's box and would track, like, a thousand pitches. Not even swing, just to, like, watch pitches come in. Yeah. What's the longest you've ever been without stepping into the box? Whether it's against the machine or. Or a person?
[166:30]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. I would say during the off season, I usually don't pick up a bat from October till I try to get as close as I Can to January because, like, when my mind. When I start picking it back up, I can't stop thinking about it.
[166:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:43]
Kyle Stowers
So usually about two months, I'd say.
[166:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[166:46]
Big Cat
All right, this has been awesome, guys. I got one last question. It's a Roback question. R, H, O, B A C, K.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Roback.com promo code. Take. This is a good question because you guys are obviously in different spots during the game. Kyle, you're in the dugout. Tyler, you're out in the bullpen. If there's a brawl. How. What's your move? When you. When you. I love the bull. When the bullpen runs out, it's always so funny because you guys are always so late, and it's just like, it's already over. But what's your move? Are you trying to brawl or you just. Are you just going and just trying to separate things? Have you been part of one?
[167:21]
Kyle Stowers
I've been a part of benches clearing. We. I can't remember who was with me. I think it was the Blue Jays when I first got called up and I was in the cage because when you're coming off the bench, you're kind of getting ready to pinch it potentially. And. And, you know, the inning ends, we see it on, like, the live feed. So I'm, like, strolling down the stairs, and I get down the stairs and everyone's out of the dugout, and I see everyone's on the field, and I, like, run on. You kind of see me running on late, and I was getting texts from people going, oh, like, you're the last one out of the dugout for benches clearing. Yeah. So I think my goal is just to get out there early.
[167:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[167:53]
PFT Commenter
Get out there early. Try to find work, looking busy.
[167:55]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[167:56]
PFT Commenter
As you're out there, like, find one guy that you can just kind of grab his shirt.
[167:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. Hold one guy a little bit.
[168:01]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah. Maybe. Maybe say a couple, like, obscenities. And that's. That's, you know, I wouldn't mind.
[168:05]
Tyler Phillips
I wouldn't mind getting in a big old fight.
[168:07]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[168:07]
Kyle Stowers
Yeah.
[168:08]
Tyler Phillips
I've never been.
[168:09]
Big Cat
You got to get out there earlier because it is late.
[168:13]
Tyler Phillips
Just before the pitch is even thrown, just start running at the pitcher.
[168:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[168:16]
PFT Commenter
Like, I feel it's about to go down.
[168:18]
Kyle Stowers
John Boy had a breakdown of the. The Orioles and the Yankees won re recently. And you see the bullpen, like, the Yankees waiting for the Orioles guys to get down the stairs. And then, like, they're all, like, running right next to each other. It's like, hey, we could just square up right here.
[168:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[168:32]
Tyler Phillips
There's two fights going on now. I wouldn't mind it, though. Like, I've had. I've had a lot of thoughts about this. For some reason, as a starter, like, when I was on the mound, if it was me, I think that I'm like, John Wick. Like, the guy's gonna come at me with a bat, I'm gonna catch it under my arm. Ryan. But, yeah, no, I mean, it's good.
[168:53]
PFT Commenter
To be mentally prepared.
[168:54]
Big Cat
You got to be mentally.
[168:55]
Tyler Phillips
I took some jiu jitsu during spring training.
[168:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[168:58]
Tyler Phillips
The Phillies had a guy there, so I'm ready. You might see me, like, just, like, crawling on the ground, just scooting around. No, I'm ready. I'm ready for whatever I want to get in one of the sh. The shoving or, like, just like the. Like the bouncing around in a circle, just. It doesn't do it for me.
[169:13]
PFT Commenter
You want to be where the action's at. You got to. You got to make an arrangement with the opposing bullpen before the game. Like, hey, if shick goes down, it's. It's you and I. It's like hockeys and goalies.
[169:20]
Tyler Phillips
You got to pick. You either pick the biggest guy or don't show up.
[169:24]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[169:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[169:25]
Tyler Phillips
Yeah.
[169:26]
Big Cat
All right. Well, guys, thank you. This has been really, really fun. Best of luck, rest of the season. And, yeah, Kyle will hopefully be giving you a call. When the Dingers only.
[169:34]
PFT Commenter
Dingers only do 35. You ever. You ever sprint the first base on walk?
[169:38]
Kyle Stowers
No, I. I love when people do that.
[169:40]
PFT Commenter
That's a big thing. That's a big thing for my team. When we're scouting guys, that's the number one one thing we look for.
[169:45]
Kyle Stowers
Okay. Usually I kind of, like, throw my stuff, like, a little bit of, like, pissed off that I don't get to hit. That's kind of like, you know.
[169:50]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[169:50]
Kyle Stowers
Kind of like, try what? The vibe I try to get off. I'm gonna take that into account.
[169:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[169:53]
Kyle Stowers
Put my bat down and just sprint.
[169:56]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[169:56]
PFT Commenter
If you just do it once, I think that's. That's enough to get you to the top of my big board.
[169:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. Okay.
[170:00]
Tyler Phillips
Or for the fight, maybe just walk to first. Just piss the pitcher off.
[170:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[170:08]
PFT Commenter
Because you're pissed off that he walked.
[170:09]
Big Cat
You literally go and slow motion.
[170:13]
Tyler Phillips
My work, man.
[170:15]
Big Cat
All right. Thanks, boys.
[170:18]
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[172:18]
Big Cat
Max bachelor party. Give it to us. How was.
[172:24]
Max
Was great. It was great. How's the boys weekend? The ankle is better. Is better.
[172:31]
Smiley Kaufman
I.
[172:31]
Max
We were playing some backyard football. I was playing quarterback. You know, we had like a three Mississippi rush. The quarterback rule. The, the pass rush came, I tried to do a little cut and then I rolled my. I rolled my ankle one way and then I tried to get back to it and then I rolled it the other way.
[172:49]
PFT Commenter
Max Coming back with an. With a foot injury was like minus 6,000.
[172:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[172:53]
Max
Yeah, but it feels a lot better. I'm walking pretty normally.
[172:56]
Big Cat
Did. Did you get up? You were laying it on. Yeah. You were laying on so thick.
[173:00]
Hank
You walk. You, like, skipped into the office today.
[173:02]
Big Cat
You. The clip. You go. The clip you posted on Saturday. I was like, oh, he's out for like a month. It. I.
[173:08]
Max
That's how I felt. That's a th percent how I felt. Did you see the picture of it?
[173:12]
Big Cat
It was.
[173:13]
Max
It was ma. It was massive. And the.
[173:15]
Hank
My. The entire bottom, you might just be your canle.
[173:20]
Max
It was purple. You think my ankle is just purple?
[173:22]
PFT Commenter
Might be.
[173:23]
Big Cat
Might.
[173:23]
Hank
That's Frank the Tank.
[173:26]
Big Cat
Did you make any lifelong friends?
[173:29]
Max
Yeah, of course. Who knows? Who knows?
[173:32]
PFT Commenter
Shout out to the awl. So.
[173:34]
Big Cat
Yeah, of course. Who knows?
[173:36]
PFT Commenter
Tell us about the. Tell us about the setup.
[173:39]
Max
It was about as, like, cabin in the woods vibe as you could, like, possibly put. Cabin in the woods.
[173:45]
Big Cat
Best bachelor.
[173:46]
PFT Commenter
So it was a cabin in the woods is what.
[173:47]
Big Cat
What I'm here.
[173:48]
Max
Yeah, but, like, when I say we. We had to go to a Walgreens on Saturday or whatever, we had to go to a pharmacy on Saturday morning.
[173:57]
Big Cat
And you could say Walgreens.
[173:59]
Max
The closest. The closest pharmacy was 25 minutes away.
[174:03]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's the best. Best bachelor party. So when you. When you're with your boys and there's not like a. Oh, like, let's go out to this bar. And then everyone gets, you know, separated. It's like just the boys hanging.
[174:13]
Max
It was great. We played beer dart, where everyone just sits in a circle on a lawn. And then we all had Truly's in front of us. And then we were throwing darts at each other. And if you hit the dart, you gotta drink the Truly. We played football. We play wiffle ball.
[174:29]
Big Cat
People were playing. Wiffle ball's the best.
[174:31]
Max
People were playing hoops. And then we just did, like, a bunch of drinking games. It was great. It was, you know, it was great. Boys bonding set.
[174:38]
Hank
Did you make a speech?
[174:39]
Big Cat
Oh, did you make a speech?
[174:40]
Max
I made no speech. There were no speeches by anyone.
[174:42]
Big Cat
Do you think you represented us well? Like, they walked away from it being like, max is a cool guy. Those guys are awesome.
[174:48]
Max
Of course we had. We had a great time. We started putting on, like, YouTube highlights. At the end of the. At the end of the night, we watched, like, John Wall highlights. Lamar Jackson High. It was. It was the perfect, like. And it was a perfect, like, summation of a boys night.
[175:05]
Big Cat
Yeah. And then what about the wild card.
[175:07]
Max
The wild card was crazy. The wild card was everything. I was expecting the wild card to be there. He. He wore a dart to his ankle, and he just kind of, like, let it sit there. We have a PMTV coming out on Thursday, love. Jack actually got that part on. On camera.
[175:23]
PFT Commenter
So you guys were playing lawn darts, and then somebody got hit in the ankle with a long dart, and they were just like, it. We ball.
[175:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[175:30]
Max
He also chose to go barefoot when everyone else was wearing, like, long pants and shoes. He was wearing shorts and no feet nor socks.
[175:38]
PFT Commenter
Love that.
[175:38]
Big Cat
He just.
[175:39]
Max
No feet or no shoes. Yeah, that would have been crazy if.
[175:43]
Big Cat
You had no feet. That's true.
[175:44]
Max
Wild card crazy if you had no feet. No, it was a good. It was good. I wish I could have played. Played paintball on Saturday morning, but my. I'm telling you, I. Yesterday morning, I couldn't walk.
[175:54]
Big Cat
All right, so we should see how this video does. If it does well, maybe we'll run it back for another punishment because it seems like it was good time, and it was good time for the awls.
[176:02]
Max
Yeah, no, I think it was good all the way around.
[176:05]
Big Cat
That's awesome. Good job, Max.
[176:07]
Max
Yeah. Love my boys.
[176:08]
PFT Commenter
And he's walking pretty much, actually, normally.
[176:10]
Max
Me.
[176:11]
Big Cat
He's fine.
[176:12]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, you're fine.
[176:14]
Max
You guys are, like. You guys are the worst.
[176:18]
Big Cat
What do you mean? I walked in today thinking that you were gonna be, like, on crutches, and you were. You didn't have a limp.
[176:25]
Max
I know. I felt like. That's good.
[176:27]
Big Cat
I wasted, like, thoughts and prayer, practicing post moves. Yeah. Yeah. What you were. You were doing. You were doing the dream shake on the boat on the baseline.
[176:38]
Max
Now. Now we're lying.
[176:39]
Big Cat
Now. Now. Now we're in fiction. Now we're in fiction. All right. Oh, Hank, we didn't ask. Did you have any last thoughts for Mr. Ping Pong?
[176:53]
Hank
No.
[176:54]
Big Cat
What a worthy adversary, at least.
[176:58]
Hank
Worthy adversary. Yeah, He.
[176:59]
Big Cat
He.
[176:59]
Hank
He earned that. That win. Shouldn't have taken game five off, but he. You know, he. He made good content. He. He won fair and square.
[177:09]
PFT Commenter
Have you moved on from thinking that he's around every single corner?
[177:13]
Hank
Yeah. I'm happy I don't have to see his nonsense anymore.
[177:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[177:22]
Jerry
I'm always here. I'm never leaving. I'm inside of you. I'm like a parasite that's so up.
[177:37]
Big Cat
He took off.
[177:40]
Jerry
I want to make a promise to Hanky and all the awls.
[177:43]
Big Cat
This is it.
[177:43]
Jerry
Mr. Bing Bong's gone.
[177:45]
Hank
Thank.
[177:46]
Jerry
He has no connection.
[177:47]
Hank
So you're just Giving up on the season?
[177:49]
Big Cat
No. Well, he's. He's. He's found a different show. Yeah.
[177:53]
Jerry
I'll be moving on to a. Another barstool show called Mostly Sports, where their coach.
[177:59]
Big Cat
Co host.
[177:59]
Jerry
I'll tell you, though, I don't.
[178:01]
Big Cat
I.
[178:01]
Jerry
And this is no offense to anyone who works on Mostly Sports. They're so nice. Like, I'm feeling like. Like Bing bonging Hank is like, something the entire Internet needed me to do. They were all rooting for me. But with Titus, I'm getting, like, messages like, don't be too mean to Titus, Mr. Bing Bong. He's a nice fellow.
[178:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. If it was Brandon, then I think you could go even harder.
[178:30]
Big Cat
Yeah. But it's tight. Also, Jerry, I. And I want. I want Hank to. You and Hank to put a cap on the series, but just as a side. I. My feelings were hurt today. What you did to me, that was fucked up.
[178:44]
Jerry
Hey, listen, I was at a girls beach volleyball tournament watching my daughters lose every single game.
[178:52]
Big Cat
No, no.
[178:53]
Jerry
You, in one text said, no. Can we have you on tonight?
[178:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. I said, so for. For the awls. This is what Jerry thinks of you. He's just. He's pet. He's thrown us to the side. I was texting with PFT and Jerry, and I was like, Jerry said, hey, can we get. Can I get Titus his phone number? And I was like, yeah, no. No problem. I made a light joke being like, no problem. We'll have Josh Duhamel on to talk about the Nixes series. We don't need you anymore. I mean, we. We would take you, but we don't need you. It's. You just. You've just gone on. And then I said, hey, can you come on tonight to a final blow to Hank? And no response. No response. And then I put him on. No, hold on, hold on. Then I put him on a text with TJ the producer. Mostly Sports being like, hey, tj, here's Jerry. Jerry, tj. You know, we're family here. Want to make the connection so that Jerry can go on Mostly Sports. Jerry responds to TJ instantly being like, whenever you need me. Still no response on the text with me and pft. And then I texted pft on that text chain. I was like, jerry's responding to another text chain and not responding to us here. It's hurting my feelings. And then, like, an hour pass and he responds again to TJ and not to us.
[180:04]
PFT Commenter
You know who's really good at responding? Text baguette.
[180:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[180:07]
PFT Commenter
Adam Schefter.
[180:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. Good point.
[180:10]
PFT Commenter
Really, really good. That guy. That guy never puts his. He's got two of them points, two phones.
[180:16]
Big Cat
Oh, my God. Pft. You're so.
[180:18]
PFT Commenter
I forgot the jury was here. Sorry, Jerry.
[180:21]
Jerry
Listen, in my defense, a lot was happening today. That Mexican ship crashed into the Brooklyn.
[180:27]
Hank
Yeah, good point.
[180:29]
Big Cat
Homeboy got prostate cancer. But your phone worked for tj.
[180:36]
Jerry
Listen, I'm so sorry. I actually missed that text that was in there Again. I was outside. It was very bright.
[180:41]
Big Cat
Yeah. Instantly responded to tj.
[180:46]
PFT Commenter
Oh, no.
[180:47]
Big Cat
It's in the middle of a parking lot. I don't know where the fuck he is.
[180:51]
PFT Commenter
I love that he's always got his car behind him.
[180:53]
Big Cat
Yeah, we just lost them. All right. What were you saying?
[180:59]
Jerry
I was saying it was really bright. I couldn't see anything. The second I saw that you would text me, asked me to come on.
[181:05]
Big Cat
Of course.
[181:05]
Jerry
You guys are my first love. But I do have a little bit of an issue. I texted Teege, and I was like, hey, tj. Love to. Come on, Titus. And TJ was like, well, let me talk to everybody and see if we want Mr. Bing Pong. I was like, what? Fuck you, man.
[181:19]
Big Cat
Like, listen, you always have that, mister. You always have a home here.
[181:26]
Jerry
Thank you. Listen, I didn't mean anything. I. I just didn't see the text. Big Cat, you know, you're my first love. Like, literally, when that hotline ring twice.
[181:37]
Big Cat
It happened twice. And there was multiple texts that he didn't see. And also, he was replying to tj. Wow, wow, wow. I sent. He replied to tj. Then I sent another text he didn't see. Then he replied to tj Again in the glare, though.
[181:51]
PFT Commenter
There was. Glare.
[181:51]
Big Cat
So he was seeing something. Yeah.
[181:54]
Jerry
Okay, listen. Listen to Big Cat. You used to call me on your.
[181:58]
Big Cat
Cell phone, all right? So I need.
[182:02]
Jerry
Listen, listen, before. Before we put Mr. Big Bong to sleep. Don't worry, Awls, Mr. Bing Bong's done. Next time you see me, I'll be doing a fantasy recap by myself at Be Great.
[182:15]
Big Cat
That's also not true. If the Knicks go to the finals, we want Mr. Bing Bong.
[182:20]
Jerry
Listen, I do have to say, I. I read all the comments. I. Awls, I read your comments, and some people are really sick of Mr. Bing Bong.
[182:27]
Big Cat
Okay? Like Hank. Hank's writing those.
[182:31]
Hank
Yeah, you're Jerry.
[182:32]
Smiley Kaufman
You.
[182:32]
Hank
You just listen. Whatever way the wind blows is whatever you're doing, like, I'm retiring Mr. Bing Bong. Oh, he's back. It's like, I got one comment.
[182:39]
Jerry
Listen, I took One game off. I didn't feel it would be right to do that to Jason Tatum.
[182:45]
Hank
Up voice notes to them privately.
[182:47]
PFT Commenter
That's not. We haven't disclosed the context.
[182:51]
Big Cat
We have not said any of them. Not for air.
[182:54]
Jerry
I gotta.
[182:55]
Big Cat
Oh, man.
[182:56]
Jerry
Wouldn't it be fun to just do. Hey, Dr. Bing Bong here. So, yes, it was a, a, a, a complete tear of the tendon and was. Inga's T has terrible disease.
[183:14]
Big Cat
All right, so let's finish this series.
[183:18]
Jerry
Yeah, I just wanted to. As we say goodbye to Mr. Bing Bong. Hank, is it okay if Mr. Bing Bong just has one last conversation with you as. As the Celtics season is now over?
[183:29]
Hank
Yeah, let her rip.
[183:30]
Tyler Phillips
Chair.
[183:31]
PFT Commenter
All right.
[183:33]
Hank
Hey, remember what the aw said to you in the comments before you start.
[183:39]
Jerry
Hey, Hanky, Mr. Bing Bong here. You know, it's kind of ironic. This Celtic season, it turns out the Celtics Achilles heel was, well, an Achilles heel.
[183:50]
Big Cat
Bing Bong.
[183:53]
Jerry
You know what the. You know what the problem is with the Celtics after that terrible, horrific, horrific injury is that no one took control of the team like Jordan is taking control of Coach Belichick's life.
[184:06]
Big Cat
Bing Bong. Yeah.
[184:10]
Jerry
Jalen Brown, you know what? Jalen Brown, he was, he was supposed to pick up the slack after that horrific injury. You know, I mean, all he was really good for was jerking off Josh Hart.
[184:25]
Hank
Good one. One for three.
[184:27]
Big Cat
Word is.
[184:29]
Jerry
Hey, Hanky. Word is your boy Robert Kraft saw that Jalen Brown, Josh Hart play, immediately saw him jerking him off and wanted to hire him.
[184:39]
Big Cat
He loves getting jerked off for games.
[184:43]
Hank
Who doesn't?
[184:46]
Jerry
Hey, listen, Hanky, I gotta say, I've noticed on the show this. A lot of tension, a lot of friction between you and Max. A lot of back and forth, a lot of friction. Just like Jaylen Brown's hand on Josh.
[185:01]
Big Cat
The friction. Oh, big man.
[185:09]
Jerry
Hey, Hanky, I wanted to apologize. Game one of this series, Mr. Bing Bong blew out your ear. Eardrum. Just like you blew it.
[185:21]
Hank
Yeah.
[185:24]
Jerry
Hey, Hanky. Hanky, you know this whole series?
[185:29]
Big Cat
No, we got a couple more here.
[185:33]
Jerry
Hanky. You know, it's so interesting. You know, the Knicks and Celts going toe to toe.
[185:41]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[185:42]
Jerry
Speaking of toes, Tiffany, show us your tootsies.
[185:45]
Big Cat
We want to see your tootsies. We don't want to pay for that. Give it to us for.
[185:52]
Jerry
By the way, I just want to say I'm getting out of big Bond character.
[185:55]
Big Cat
Yeah, I have.
[185:56]
Jerry
I've been on X now for. You know, usually I do a TV show and they're like hey, will you live X? And all this stuff? And, like, maybe I get, like, 10,000 likes and everything. When the Knicks won Game 2, and I just started screaming, show us your tootsies, Tiffany. Show us your tootsies.
[186:14]
Big Cat
Literally, it's.
[186:16]
Jerry
I think there's, like, 2 million views on that. It's just me going, show us your tootsies, Bing Bong. Show us your tootsies, Tiffany. Why won't you show us your toes?
[186:25]
PFT Commenter
In fact, the algorithm.
[186:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[186:28]
Jerry
Okay, here we go. Here's a big closer you. Are you ready, Hank? This is it. You and the awls don't have to endure Mr. Bing Bong anymore. I'm still working this one out. All right, let me figure it out. Okay. Hey, Hanky. I saw your boss. I saw your boy on Club Shay Shay on Shannon Sharp's show. It's so interesting, you know, you're bossing you between the Celtics and Shannon Sharp. You love chokers.
[187:00]
Hank
That's actually a good one.
[187:05]
Big Cat
I love you.
[187:06]
Jerry
We are drafting Drake, Drake May, and I'm gonna send you your hat. And I got a little picture and everything. I'm gonna send you a little package for all you endured. I'm sorry I allegedly hurt your eardrum, which just ended up being a head cold.
[187:18]
Hank
Yeah, it's all right, Jerry. Congrats. Also, I.
[187:21]
Big Cat
We.
[187:21]
Hank
We were talking earlier in the show about librarians, the next chapter, and I was wondering if you could give us any context on librarians, the first chapter, because I got worried, because I said, I'm. It looks terrible. And they said, Rebecca remains in it, but it was actually that.
[187:35]
Big Cat
Who still doesn't follow us, by the way.
[187:38]
Hank
But what should we be expecting with the librarians? What is it all about?
[187:41]
Big Cat
She's tweeting at us, but she doesn't follow us. Pretty. Pretty rude.
[187:45]
Jerry
You know, my wife was in the original series, the Librarians, and this is the reboot. My wife knows everyone who's involved, so we don't want to say anything rude, but I, I, We. We haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's good. It's a great franchise. I'm sure it's good stuff.
[188:02]
PFT Commenter
Hank's gonna be watching.
[188:03]
Hank
Yeah, for sure.
[188:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[188:07]
Max
Yeah.
[188:07]
Big Cat
Look at us, Hank. What a what.
[188:09]
Jerry
What a ride, huh, Hank?
[188:11]
Big Cat
What a ride.
[188:12]
Hank
Who would have thought. Who would go in Arizona? This is where things would have ended up, man.
[188:17]
Big Cat
It's crazy. Jerry, do you want to participate? This the end of the show, you want to participate in numbers three? Yeah.
[188:26]
Jerry
Let's go. Oh, who said three. Somebody already said it did.
[188:30]
Big Cat
Shoot.
[188:32]
Jerry
Let me go. What was it, 20 last week? Let me go 20. Let me go 23.
[188:38]
Big Cat
Okay, will go 6. I'll go 75.
[188:48]
PFT Commenter
I'm going to go 90.
[188:50]
Max
I'll go 1.
[188:53]
Tyler Phillips
I'll go 99.
[188:54]
Big Cat
Pug.
[188:55]
Jerry
Hey, Pug.
[188:56]
Tyler Phillips
4. 21.
[188:59]
PFT Commenter
What's up, Jerry?
[189:00]
Big Cat
What was your guest memes? 6. Makes sense.
[189:13]
Jerry
Any predictions for 63?
[189:17]
Big Cat
63.
[189:18]
Jerry
Any predictions for Knicks, Pacers, everybody?
[189:22]
Big Cat
7. Nixon. 6.
[189:24]
PFT Commenter
I think it's gonna be Pacers and 7.
[189:25]
Big Cat
I'm just gonna say 4.
[189:27]
Hank
This team is different, Jerry. This team is so good, there's no way they lose even a game.
[189:33]
Big Cat
I think he's mocking you, Jerry.
[189:36]
Jerry
I have no idea who's going to win.
[189:37]
Tyler Phillips
I really don't.
[189:38]
Big Cat
All right?
[189:43]
Jerry
I'm in, like, a parking garage. Like, the security's looking at me. I got to get out of here.
[189:46]
Big Cat
All right. All right, Jerry, we love you. Love you guys.
[189:57]
PFT Commenter
Sa.