Stanford Steve Talking Ball, NFL Week 14 Picks & Preview, Lions End The Cowboys, Lebron's Streak Ends, Fyre Fest And More

Summary

Pardon My Take — Episode Summary

Podcast: Pardon My Take
Hosts: Big Cat, PFT Commenter, Hank, Max, Memes, Zach
Original Air Date: December 5, 2025
Episode Title: Stanford Steve Talking Ball, NFL Week 14 Picks & Preview, Lions End The Cowboys, Lebron's Streak Ends, Fyre Fest And More

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Overview

This episode is a classic PMT full of NFL and college football talk, pop culture, and the usual banter. The hosts are joined by “Dude of the Year” Stanford Steve to break down pivotal NFL games (billed as “The Slate of the Year”), analyze the ramifications of Thursday Night Football between the Lions and Cowboys, and discuss the end of LeBron James’ historic scoring streak. There’s also plenty of trademark PMT humor—stat debates, injury detours, discussions about health (and ice cream machines), and recurring bits like Fyre Fest and Jerry O’Connell’s fantasy minute.

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Main Discussion Points & Key Segments

1. Lions Defeat Cowboys on Thursday Night Football (03:09–11:00)

• Game Analysis:
  • Lions’ offense looked "super efficient", scoring 4 touchdowns on 5 red zone trips.
  • Jameer Gibbs (RB) and Amon-Ra St. Brown (WR) both heavily praised for their roles.
  • Dallas’s defense called “frustrating,” with key mistakes (2 INTs, Jake Ferguson fumble).
• Stat Nuggets:
  • Jameer Gibbs tied Barry Sanders for most pre-24 touchdowns as a Lion.
  • Brandon Aubrey's field goals: Hosts joke about him kicking for “300 yards,” a recurring stat joke.
• Quotes:
  • "Dallas's defense was frustrating, but I feel like Detroit kind of got their mojo back a little bit." – Big Cat (04:35)
  • "Jameer Gibbs is awesome. He's the best in the passing game tonight." – PFT Commenter (03:34)
  • On Dak Prescott’s interceptions:
    "I don't get the same joy that I used to get off Dak interceptions. That might be a problem with me." – PFT (05:28)

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2. LeBron James' 10+ Points-Per-Game Streak Ends (11:53–13:57)

• Historic Streak:
  • LeBron's streak of 1,287 games with double-digit points snapped.
  • Began January 6, 2007—"that makes you feel old" segment.
  • LeBron made a "selfless play" (game-winning assist) as the streak ended.
• Quotes:
  • "LeBron also now owns the longest eight point streak of all time—at 1." – PFT (13:02)
  • "He actually made a very selfless play. I have to say something nice about LeBron." – Big Cat (13:06)
• Fun Facts:
  • Since the last time under 10 points: Nick Saban left Miami Dolphins, Bronny was 2, Cooper Flagg was 15 days old, George W. Bush was president (14:04).

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3. NBA Updates: Chris Paul & Giannis (15:48–20:45)

• Chris Paul booted from the Clippers, reportedly due to “locker room style” issues; Clippers played their best game after his exit.
  • "Nobody gets kicked off their own farewell tour." – PFT (16:10)
• Giannis (Bucks) reportedly wants a trade, then suffers a calf injury. The crew debates if the injury is legit (consensus: yes).
  • "The funniest thing is this happened because they lost to the Wizards. Giannis is like: get me the f** out of here."* – PFT (21:24)

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4. Hosts’ Ongoing Quest for Health (21:56–24:53)

• Jokingly propose incorporating daily stretching or yoga.
• Widespread realization: "We're not going to go out like this!"
• Zach tapped to potentially teach pre-show stretching.

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5. NFL Week 14 Preview: The 'Slate of the Year' (28:32–54:51)

Key Matchups & Storylines

Steelers at Ravens (44:25–49:58)

• Ravens favored by 6; both teams' playoff odds swing heavily on result.
• Tomlin “under more heat than ever,” but historically performs well as underdog.
• "Dog bowl... Mike Tomlin vs. Harbaugh: underdog is 24-7-3." – Hank (45:09)
• Concerns about both teams: “something’s up” with Lamar Jackson, Steelers unimaginative.

Bengals at Bills (31:47–37:39)

• Joe Burrow is “8-0 as starter in the last calendar year.”
• PMT's recurring ‘calendar year’ stat joke appears here.
• “Don’t let the Bengals into the playoffs” bit—now re-examined as Bengals get hot.

Colts at Jaguars (38:27–44:25)

• Colts haven’t won in JAX since 2014; JAX throwbacks debut.
• Daniel Jones still playing through “badly broken leg,” examined in detail.
• "Jaguars have always given the Colts some problems." – PFT

Bears at Packers (78:10–85:30)

• High-stakes rivalry: “First time both teams have been good at once in 15 years.”
• PMT’s Big Cat: “I think the Bears can win this game. So I’m not scared.” (80:32)
• “Jordan Love could look awesome ... but we have gotten healthier on defense.” – Big Cat

Other Notable Games:

• Dolphins at Jets (“Capri Bowl”): Hosts cautiously optimistic for the scrappy Jets.
• Saints at Buccaneers: PMT is “off” this game; speculation about Saints owner as NFL “bad owner.”
• Broncos at Raiders: “Broncos play every game close but Raiders an abomination.”

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6. Stat Wars, Quarterbacks, & Blind Resume Bits (60:05–66:14)

• Ongoing heated debates over "300-yard games," QBs' stats, and whether Jaden Daniels or Marcus Mariota has played better.
• PFT’s “stat-off” with Hank—e.g., “300 yards” as stat measuring stick.
• Notable exchange:
  • "If you watch Commanders football and you think Marcus Mariota is a better quarterback than Jaden Daniels, you should have your head examined." – PFT

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7. Stanford Steve Interview (1:45:26–2:35:20)

[Full Interview from 105:26–155:20]

• Declared “Number One Dude” on PMT.
• Mount Rushmore of venues for drinking: Wrigleyville, LSU, Camp Randall, Lubbock, Scottsdale.
• Talks college football playoff committee, Miami–Notre Dame debate, and playoff predictions.
• NFL Gambling Tips:
  • "I like Jacksonville. I think the Colts are up against it Sunday."
• Discusses Steelers-Tomlin future, rapid-fire coaching carousel scenarios.
• Bears optimism: “The fanbase has suffered—it's awesome. It's absolutely awesome. I love the story.”
• Predicts NFC is wide-open, no “team to fear.”
• On Eagles: “I'll take over one playoff win.” – He still believes in Philly.
• Segment ends with nose-hair waxing tangent, demonstrating classic Pardon My Take randomness.

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8. PMT Picks, Fyre Fest, Fantasy Minute, and More (1:56:39–end)

• Picks & Standings (102:02–104:12):

  • PMT crew picks their favorite lines for Week 14; head-to-heads in Steelers/Ravens and Titans/Browns.

• Fyre Fest (156:16–174:35):

  • Hank’s Fyre Fest: Still reading Don Quixote, “spoiled” by Jerry O’Connell; cold weather and weather-mapping paranoia.
  • Zach’s Fyre Fest: Bombs out in an adult spelling bee, now on “becoming a better speller” journey.
  • PMT’s existential crisis: Realizing how little about the solar system they remember (Planet/Pluto kids’ questions).

• Jerry O’Connell’s Fantasy Minute:

  • Continues the wacky tradition, recorded at the Black Rose (Boston), including advice for Hank to call 1-800-throw-300 yards.

• Life at Barstool Updates:

  • Chat about new gym routines, attempts to be “health guys,” and “Super Bowl Sunday every Sunday” food culture.
  • Extended debate about expanding the office ice cream machine lineup (“We need a bigger one!”), with plans for yogurt/frozen yogurt options to “get in shape.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Big Cat (On Bears-Packers:
  "I think the Bears can win this game. So I'm not scared." (80:32)
• PFT (On Tomlin’s Steelers):
  "They're boring. They're not good and they're boring, but they're playing for first place." (131:58)
• Stanford Steve (on sports venues):
  "There's not a better venue to have intake of beers than Wrigleyville, you know, summertime, Friday afternoon, first pitch." (107:05)
• PFT (Stat-off):
  "If you watch Commanders football and you think Marcus Mariota is a better quarterback than Jaden Daniels, you should have your head examined." (63:26)
• Max (Eagles fan crisis):
  "Right now, they have to win me back. I'm opening up that they could win me back, but right now I ... they have to prove it." (168:24)
• PFT (on World Cup draw):
  "This is going to be the most rigged draw ever for the United States." (161:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Lions vs. Cowboys Recap: 03:09–11:00
• LeBron's Streak Ends: 11:53–13:57
• NBA Updates (Chris Paul/Giannis): 15:48–20:45
• Hosts Health/Stretching: 21:56–24:53
• NFL Week 14 Preview: 28:32–54:51
• Bears-Packers Deep Dive: 78:10–85:30
• Niners, Seahawks, Jets, more games: 50:02–73:59
• Stat-Off / Blind Resumes: 60:05–66:14
• Stanford Steve Interview: 105:26–155:20
• Picks & Standings: 102:02–104:12
• Fantasy Minute (Jerry O’Connell): 99:57–101:12
• Fyre Fest: 156:16–174:35
• End Show Banter / Ice Cream Machine Debate: 176:55–end

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Tone and Style

True to PMT style: irreverent, wisecracking, packed with both legitimate sports analysis and running gags. The hosts blend in-depth breakdowns with stat banter, inside jokes (“Super Bowl Sunday every Sunday”), and sometimes extended tangents on food, health, and office life. Genuine camaraderie and competitive debate cast a wide appeal for sports diehards and casual fans alike.

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Summary Takeaway

A loaded episode for PMT fans: serious football talk, juicy debates on coaching futures and playoff scenarios, joyful trash talk, bizarre stat nerdery, and all the goofy, warm office culture that keeps listeners coming back. The Bears have Big Cat feeling hopeful, Stanford Steve is officially “Dude of the Year,” and the entire gang is apparently one ice cream machine away from a health revolution—and a Super Bowl run.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I like the og.

[A]

I love the half and half let's go, Hank. I go back and forth, shout it on the spot. Yeah. Half and half. OG Peach. They're all great. It's all twisted tea. So make sure to look for those yellow cans wherever you buy beer. And give yourself the gift of twisted tea this season. Okay? Let's go, football. Hey, football guy.

[C]

Patino, Awn.

[D]

Martin Luther.

[A]

Yeah.

Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Friday, December 5th, and the Detroit Lions are back, back, back. I'm on raw.

[D]

His presence on the field made a big difference.

[A]

Yeah. Also, well, he screwed anyone who. Who believed in Tom Kennedy. Shadow. Tom Kennedy, Farmingdale, New York. But, yeah, I mean, Amon Ra opens everything up. Jameer Gibbs.

[D]

Yeah, Jameer Gibbs is awesome. He's the best in the passing game tonight. He was really, really good. And yeah, I think Amon Rod just being on the field. Jameson's. He's going to get open. He's going to get his. But the offense looked like it was much more in sync with him. Dallas kind of turned back into Dallas.

[A]

Yeah, The.

[D]

The defense sucked.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Was it George Pickens didn't have a great game.

[A]

Let me ask you this question. Was it.

[B]

Something's going on with him. He did some shit. There's gonna be a report.

[A]

Yeah. He's convinced he went to the casino again. Was it Dallas turning back into Dallas, the defense? Yeah. But I would actually argue it might have been Detroit turning back into Detroit in the fact that they were super efficient on offense. Four for five touchdowns. The red zone. It was like, you know the Thanksgiving game we saw a week ago where they. They missed those fourth downs. Dan. Dan Campbell. I don't. They. I don't think they went for a fourth down today. They kind of played it straight up, but their offense was humming all night. It felt like every single time they got the ball, it was 10, 15 yards, chunk plays down the field.

Yeah, Dallas's defense was. Was frustrating, but I feel like Detroit kind of got their mojo back a little bit. And like, hey, we're not going out without a fight.

[D]

Well, I thought the game plan from Detro and how they use Jameer Gibbs in the passing game. Yeah, he was. He was essentially a wide receiver for the first half of the football game. And he's great at it. He's actually really, really good at running routes. He's got great hands. And Montgomery had an awesome night running the football, too. So it was like everything was working. I do think that Dallas's defense was kind of back to old School.

[A]

Dallas. Yeah. And it really came down to, like, the execution from the Cowboys. You had two interceptions. The last pick, you know, they're. They're playing desperate football. Down 14. But they had the fumble, the Jake Ferguson fumble, which Dak kind of little. Little broed him by showing him how.

[E]

To hold the ball after.

[A]

Yeah. And then the interception. Just start the second half and that's it. Like, Detroit didn't make those mistakes. Detroit didn't turn the ball over.

[D]

You know how I know that? That I'm softening up on the Cowboys? I don't get the same joy that I used to get off Dak interceptions. Dak interceptions used to give me life. Well, I mean, they used to make me. They used to make me so happy. Like, you remember Tony Romo interceptions.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I disag hard.

[D]

You still get the same joy.

[A]

He screamed. He goes, I.

[C]

Those weren't even. Those weren't even his fault. And I was still getting excited for Dak.

[D]

I want to get back to that point. I. I need to get back to that point. I my pro. I've taken my eye off the ball. I've got other quarterbacks that I'm focusing on my mental energy on now. And Dak is more on that later. He's fallen by the wayside. But I. That might be a problem with me. Like, I. I genuinely need help. Don't be afraid. Hey, sometimes it's okay to not be okay. Yeah, I'm not okay right now. And the fact that I can't take joy, as much joy as I used to in the Dak Prescott interceptions is a problem to me. So I need to work on that.

[A]

Yeah, well, you say no, I'll save it.

[B]

What was it has nothing to do with this. I'm not doing this.

[A]

What? What?

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

Just. I mean, say it will.

[B]

It'll come out eventually.

[A]

Like, we already recorded it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, this is going to come up eventually. Right now.

[B]

I just had a light bulb that went off. You. I didn't. I have nothing to say.

[D]

I'm gonna go on strike until Hank says what he wants to say.

[B]

When did Josh Allen first get his first 300 yard game?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know.

[D]

You tell me.

[B]

His third year in the league.

[D]

Okay. Did he win MVP before that? When? Big Cat, when did Josh Allen win mvp? I'm having a hard time.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. He did. This podcast is going to be destroyed by the number 300. Yeah. It's bringing us to our knees.

[D]

It got so bad.

[A]

Golf shoes right Now.

[C]

Yeah, it's left.

[D]

Those are his left.

[C]

He's got to be ready.

[D]

Those are his left handed golf shoes. I. It got so bad for me tonight that I started to track Brandon Aubrey's made goals to see if he would kick for 300 yards.

[A]

You weren't in the, you weren't in the cave and, and PFT just turns, he goes, hey, Dallas is down 10 right now. If Aubrey kicks a field goal and they score a touchdown, it goes to overtime. Then he kicks a 50 yard field goal in overtime, he'll have over 300 yards kicking.

[B]

I mean PFT, which I respect. Like I, I think it's like you know, you, you hang out with someone enough, you wear off on them. The pie chart of PFT's brain right now is Drake May and Duke.

And it's like 95 Drake, man, that's you too.

[D]

Hey, I'm saying, that's what I'm saying.

[B]

It's a good. Like I've worn off on you. I've, I've, I've helped out. I'm happy. I'm proud of you.

[D]

We're the only Drake May slash Duke fans in the entire world. Y. Yeah, no, listen, there's dozens of us. Brandon Aubrey had a great night tonight.

[A]

He did. He.

[D]

He drilled that 60 yarder. Plus he's made what, six in a row from 60 plus yards.

[A]

It's crazy. He's automatic.

[D]

It's. It's insane what he's doing right now. And there was a real chance. I mean I think the NFL record is like 273 yards worth of field goals in the game. There was a real chance that he was going to get there and a real chance he was going to get to 300 and I would have been such a happy man. But if he had kicked.

[A]

That's also why the Cowboys lost because they used him a lot. They had and they couldn't finish drives and obviously CD Lamb getting hurt, concussed didn't help in the second half. But this is now. Oh also we talked about this that on Monday show. But Jameer Gibbs now has tied Barry Sanders for most touchdowns before turning 24. He has 47. He is so electric with the ball in his hands. We even had a Montgomery sighting tonight. He had a nice touchdown run. But Jamir Gibbs is just like he, he bland like broke his ankles and fell face first on a, on a stop that Jameer Gibbs had after catching a pass.

[D]

He might be the fastest guy going 0 to 60 and also the fastest guy going 60.

[A]

0. Yeah.

[D]

It's crazy how he put on those breaks. And yeah, Montgomery, he looked really good when he ran the football tonight.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So that you had. You had Gibbs with an awesome night receiving. You had Montgomery with a great night running. And then the offense, like, the entire passing game looked like it was in sync tonight.

[A]

Yeah. Everything works.

[D]

When Detroit. Well, there's one play that didn't work. Which one? They threw a screen pass to their tackle.

[A]

Oh, yeah. To Skipper.

[D]

And it didn't look like they had. They had one guy blocking two dudes for him. I don't know what to design on that play. I want to hear more about exactly what Dan was cooking up with that one.

[A]

Yeah, that one didn't make a lot of sense. So the Cowboys are now in a lot of trouble. So I. Max, you were. We were obviously opposite. I was hoping the Cowboys won. You were hoping they lost. Because I want the Lions to be just out. But now it looks like the Cowboys are the ones that are out. They're going to need a lot of help. What are they down? They're down to like, 5% now to make the playoffs.

[C]

8%.

[A]

According to 8%. NFL and the. In. The Lions, I think, are back up to like, 55%.

[C]

53.

[A]

I mean, they're. They're right there because every. Every team in the NFC is kind of bunched up. And if the Lions. What they're. What did that bring them to? 8 and 5.

[B]

8.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Now they're 8 and 5.

[A]

They're 8 and 5. And there's a bunch of three loss and four loss teams that they're trying to jump. So it's. It's not set.

[D]

It's not.

[A]

Also, Lions are coming.

[D]

Also, shout out to Jameson Williams for wearing a ski mask indoors. I know he did it on Thanksgiving, but it got higher.

[A]

It got way higher.

[D]

He looks like sub zero for Mortal Kombat out there.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

That's got to get in his line of sight at some point, right?

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was crazy. I mean, he's. He's also electric in it with the ball in his hands every single time he touches it.

[D]

Yeah. Great night. But I. I'm serious. Like, I've never seen something like that on football field before.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Maybe outdoors.

[A]

So the Lions, if you look at the Lions, they have a very tough game at the Rams next week, and then they have two very winnable games in. I want to say they play the Vikings. And who's the other team they play? They have. I know they're not outdoors again until Week 18 against the Bears. The Lions, who do they play? You got it. Max, I thought you were pulling up for me. You don't have it?

[C]

Sorry, I was. I got caught in the. In the playoff.

[A]

Lions are playing the Steelers at home after the Rams, then at the Vikings. Those are games they should win. Although they lost to the nine already. That's a game they wish they had back. Yeah, that's a game they wish they had back. So, yeah, it feels like this is why you just love December football. Because next week the Rams Lions game is going to be a huge swing game in terms of playoffs and playoff seedings.

[D]

That's going to be in LA too.

[A]

In la.

[D]

Matt Stafford's kids, they can attend the game.

[A]

Yes, yes. Although probably a lot of Lions fans. So we got to talk about a couple other things, basketball related. First, LeBron James, 10 game, 10 points a game, streak breaks. It was. How many, how many days was it or how many games is it?

[D]

12. What? 1287, maybe 1297.

[A]

This doesn't count postseason, by the way. I should just say that. So it's from January 6, 2007.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That's pretty crazy. January 6th, we were 21 years old, so this is. That's insane.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I was. No, I was still.

[A]

We were 22.

[D]

I had not yet graduated from college. I was in Harrisonburg, Virginia, just appreciating LeBron James and recognizing the start of the streak.

[A]

But now, no, we were 21. Yeah, we were turning 22. A few. A few that month.

[D]

That is true.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Every birthday after 21 doesn't matter.

[A]

No, but that's pretty crazy to think.

[D]

And now we've got the.

[A]

Again, doesn't count. I'm not being a hater, but it doesn't count postseason, which it should.

[D]

But LeBron also now owns the. The longest eight point streak of all time.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

At 1298. And I feel. Congratulations to LeBron.

[A]

I feel a little robbed by it because he actually made a very selfless play. A get game winning assist for a buzzer beater. I was really hoping that the situation had occurred where he was trying to force it and he cost him the game. He robbed that from us. He actually. I have to say something nice about LeBron. It was the correct play, he won the game for his team and his streak has ended. And there was a guy who bet $15,000 for him to have 10 points on DraftKings.

[D]

What about all the hard working Canadian families that went to this game, Big cat, just to see that paid. I'm going to guess 150 loonies. Yeah. On game time, Hank.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then they all they wanted. The kids were like, papa, I want to go to the Toronto Raptors game when LeBron's in town and watch his 10 point streak continue. And then he.

[A]

But now they got to see.

[D]

But then he robbed them of that moment.

[A]

You, he, you got to see his eight point streak begin.

[B]

No, no.

[D]

Continue.

[A]

No. What if he just scores eight points every single game from here on out?

[D]

Exactly eight. Exactly eight point tonight. I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

Do you guys want to do a little. Want to feel old with LeBron's streak? So since the last time he scored under 10 points, Nick Saban had just left the Miami Dolphins, Harry Potter series wasn't finished. Bronnie was 2 years old. Cooper flag was 15 days old. And George W. Bush was president.

[D]

He was.

[A]

That was all what he got there, Hank.

[B]

Harry Potter things. Crazy. That's crazy.

[A]

I, I'm not a Harry Potter fan, so I don't. That. That makes you feel old.

[B]

Yeah. That's when I was still actively reading.

[A]

What year were you born, Zach?

[D]

You are still actively reading 1997.

[B]

I was reading those.

[D]

You know what's crazy Drop is that, Hank, you were reading a book at the start of his streak and you're reading one at the. Your reading streak outlasted his 10 point streak.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Pretty impressive.

[A]

That is pretty impressive, Zach. You've had a. Your, your streak of being double digits in age is shorter than LeBron's. Yes. You were 9 years old. You didn't turn 10 till later that year. Yeah.

[D]

No.

[A]

His double digit streaks longer than my double digit streak. Yeah. That's pretty crazy.

[C]

It is.

[A]

But yours is still going. Yeah. And we'll go again tomorrow hopefully. Yeah.

[D]

So what was his total stat line? Did he. He passed up a triple double too, Right. I think that was his 11th assist of the night.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

At the very end he had a bad shooting night. How many rebounds did he have? 10.

[A]

Let's look it up. I know he was. I know he was like oh for five from three. And Austin Reeves had 44 points. He is very good. He had no. He had six rebounds, 11 assists. He was 4 for 17 from the field.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So he was trying to get 10 points.

[D]

Think about the Canadian families that, that paid hard earned money.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Go see the streak. And they left disappointed.

[A]

Think about. So the next story we got to do is we have to pour one out for our boy Ryan Rosillo. Probably the toughest Day of his life yesterday, Chris Paul has been kicked off the Clippers.

[D]

Yeah. I'd say this. And when they stopped selling the original formula, jacked. That was a pretty bad day for him. But he's been unceremoniously beated for. Nobody gets kicked off their own farewell tour.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, Chris Paul, he managed to find a way to do it.

[A]

And not only that. So the reports were that his. His style, his locker room style, clashed with the coaches. He was maybe a little too hard on the guys. The Clippers have been bad this year. But then the Clippers played their best game of the season the night that they kicked Chris Paul off the team.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's, like, immediate results. The guy that we all hated is gone. Thank God.

[D]

So I. I saw some. It was some post about this where they were talking online either to Chris Paul. I think it might have been about Chris Paul, but somebody said Chris Paul is actually right now in a. On a zoom call with Blake Griffin, and they both look like they're having the time of their lives.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

So apparently, what do you do when you get. When you get fired? You hit up the best dude in the world, Blake Griffin, to cheer you up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So shout out Blake Griffin, great teammate.

[A]

Good friend, and this the thing that's. I guess it's more of a credit to Chris Paul that in his 20th year in the league, at his age, he was still being like, hey, guys, we got to be accountable. Because I would think that if you're doing a farewell tour, that's like, hey, I get to just hang out. I get to be on an NBA roster. I get to travel around. I'm going to chill with the boys, have a good time. He was still. He was still being dickhead Chris Paul.

[D]

He's like, come on, guys. Yeah, coach is right. And coach was like, dude, chill out.

[A]

Yeah. Cause, like, the easiest thing to do if you're 40 years old, playing your last season in the NBA is just be a good locker room guy. He did the impossible. Yeah. But if they were. They suck. I understand. But what you. It doesn't matter. You're retiring. Who cares?

[B]

But, like, you want to retire on a team that's good, be a vet and like, kind of, you know, lead them. You want to be a leader.

[A]

Is he going to go to the Lakers?

[B]

I could see that.

[A]

You.

[B]

You don't want to be a leader on a team that's 6 and 20.

[A]

We got to. We got to make sure that the, like, get eyes on Dwayne Wade because we had the Banana boat this. These things happen in threes. LeBron loses streak. Chris Paul kicked off the team.

[D]

Yeah.

R.I.P. chris Paul.

[A]

Yeah. And then.

[D]

Yeah, I think he's going to play, though. I think he'll find he's got to.

[A]

Do a farewell tour. He can't just not. That would be the saddest thing ever if his farewell tour just stopped in December.

[D]

You know what, Chris Paul, why don't you come on home? Come back. Come back to the Wizards.

[A]

The Juggernaut. Oh, I thought you're talking about the young.

[D]

He was off season wizard.

[A]

Yeah, but it would be sick if you joined the Juggernauts.

[D]

The Yugger Paul.

[A]

The Juggernauts. That's Dana's basketball team. They are.

[B]

We're four.

[A]

Four. Four weeks into the season and they're Owen one after four weeks. Yeah.

[C]

I thought they had a game last night.

[A]

Nope, it was canceled. So they went by loss. How's it by cancel? The other team canceled 90 minutes. Yeah, I guess.

[C]

I guess that's one and one.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But hey, listen, Chris Paul, damn.

[B]

I.

[A]

We got. We got. We got ample space for you on the Uggernauts. All you got to do is just make sure that you don't eat into Nikki smokes his shots. Okay. Because, like, then we'll kick you off the team. If you don't let Nikki smokes go like 4 for 18, you're off the team.

[D]

I was not aware of the team name until just now.

[A]

Yeah, the Juggernauts. Isn't that good name?

[D]

That's a good name.

[A]

Yeah, it's. We still got to make the jerseys, but it's. It's going to be a astronaut with, like the space helmet and it's full of beer.

[D]

He's going to try to get on like the Thunder competitor. Yeah, I don't know that they're going to want him.

[A]

See, we lost to the slob wizards.

[D]

Gotcha.

[A]

68 to 49. Slob wizards, 68. Juggernauts 49. Brutal.

[D]

He's probably cold calling teams right now.

[A]

Definitely. Someone's got to sign him. Someone's got to sign him. And then we had Giannis reports come out that he wants to be traded and then he gets hurt. What's his injury update?

[D]

It's a calf strain.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

So it wasn't. It was slightly. It was non contact. Ish. Yeah, it was like barely contact. And then he just. He laid down on the court, looked at his. I. I think he actually hurt himself.

[A]

I do, too.

[D]

I don't think that he Looked bummed.

[A]

When he got hurt. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. And it happened kind of all of a sudden, so I. It's not. It's unfortunate timing, but.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The report came out yesterday that he was actively exploring other options. And then people are like, well, he wanted to go to the Knicks in the off season. That was a weird report. You remember that? It came out, like, a month ago, a month and a half ago, where he was like. The report was that Giannis actively explored playing for other teams this off season. Nothing happened with it. Like, strange timing for that to come out. And then. So obviously, everyone's expecting that he goes to. To the Knicks. I feel bad for Milwaukee, but he. He hasn't been happy there for.

[A]

Well, and also, this is like how Milwaukee was. It was always going to go this way that you're going to have to rebuild without Giannis, and now maybe you get a bunch of draft picks and you can just do that again. Do we think he faked the injury? No, I don't.

I mean, the way he looked back, I thought it was an Achilles at first.

[D]

Yeah. I. I don't think he's faking the injury.

[A]

Do you guys think he faked?

[E]

No.

[B]

The way he looked back, that's like.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it didn't. It didn't. That. That part looked very real. Like someone. It was kind of like sauce Gardner and Halliburton said. Yeah.

[B]

Thought someone kicked him in the back of the leg.

[A]

Yeah, that's why I thought it was Achilles.

[B]

And he turned around and it was.

[A]

Just his Achilles, which actually would have been just so brutal for the Bucks.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Got hurt.

[D]

Now, the. The funniest thing is this happened because they lost to the Wizards. He loses, the Bucks lose to the Wizards, and Giannis is like, get me the out of here.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I can't. I cannot be on this team anymore.

[A]

Yeah. So he. So someone found it. Yeah. He had the exact same reaction when he hurt his calf in 2024. So that looks.

[C]

Does watching these ever scare?

[D]

Like, yes.

[A]

Yeah, dude.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

He's just jo.

[A]

He's just like Max.

[D]

So casually jogging Max, did you just.

[A]

Ask if we're scared that we're gonna get hurt every day?

[D]

Dude, I haven't told anybody this, but for the last, like, three weeks, when I wake up in the morning and I start walking around, both my calves are just. They feel. They feel like they're injured.

[A]

Yeah, dude. I. Yesterday, so I was supposed to play on the Juggernauts, and I woke up, and I think my body was Just telling me, like, dude, you're not playing in a competitive basketball game. My calf just had, like, a little bit of a twinge to it. And I was like, oh, no, not playing on the Juggernauts. I'm talking.

[B]

Like, I told Dana I'd be the number one sub. And then. And then the first week, he's like, we need to. We need a sub. I was like, I don't know if I can do it. I'm scared.

[D]

I'm talking, like, extreme. Like, I. I worked out the day before. Tightness. And I. Then I started thinking what I did the day before. I was like, let's see. I walked out of my car into the office.

[A]

You had wings. I ate.

[D]

I watched sports. I walked around the office. Probably did a total of four laps around the entire building. And now my legs feel like I. I ran a marathon.

[A]

We're going to talk about this in Firefest January. We're this whole podcast. Let's. Let's. Let's prioritize health.

[C]

I'm doing it now.

[A]

Yeah, but. No, but don't do that now. No, don't talk. No, as a whole crew.

[C]

Hangstone Health Center.

[A]

Start stretching. Let's start. Maybe we do yoga before the show. That would actually be sick. What if we did 10 minutes of stretching before the show?

[D]

We're not doing any of this.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

I'm doing it. I'm doing it.

[A]

I'm in.

[C]

I'm not doing stress.

[D]

We're not doing any of this.

[A]

We're not gonna go out like this. Pft. We're not. January. Start January.

[D]

I think I'm just gonna back. Upper body only.

[C]

Health Sember.

[A]

Health. Sember into stretch. January.

[D]

Steroids.

[A]

Stretching might change our lives. It might change our lives.

[D]

Steroids.

[A]

Zach, I want you.

[C]

Gym's got stretching classes. You can just go to a class and just stretch the whole time.

[A]

Zach, you know a yoga instructor, right? Yeah. I've got a friend who does like, a lot of, like, yoga, Pilates, centric stuff. Yeah. Can we get you to learn how to run a class? Like a 10 minute class for us before we. We record? I can ask you when was the last time you hit her up?

Definitely not recently. All right, we'll hit her up. Look, yeah, we're talking like, listen, it's. It's for the boys.

[B]

Just all the animal stuff.

[A]

I'll get all the dog, upward dog.

[B]

Cows, sideways dog, pigeon.

[C]

I can. I can teach the cows.

[D]

Reverse cow dog.

[E]

You just.

[C]

That's a stretch where you just have to be fat.

[A]

Okay. That works. Do we have anything else?

[B]

Flamingo.

[A]

Flamingo.

Zach, I would like you to.

[D]

Where's Flamingo? A stretch.

[A]

Yeah, I can get a demo tape. I just want a full body. I want a full body stretching routine that takes me 10 minutes. Okay.

[C]

Pigeon pose. You ever do pigeon pose?

[A]

Yeah, pigeon pose.

[C]

Pigeon poses. Pigeon pose is like my favorite stretch.

[A]

Okay, we'll do pigeon poses.

[D]

I'm not doing.

[E]

I'm not.

[D]

I'm not gonna do this.

[C]

Pigeon post is good.

[D]

I'm not gonna do that. Let's be honest. I'm not gonna stretch. I will. I will use the weight equipment, but I'm not. I'm not stretching.

[A]

We're going to stretch. These boys are going to stretch. But the Cavs, pft, they've been so tight. Yeah.

We got to this in Fire fest.

By the way, Skip bayless tweeted about LeBron James. Le brick James finally held under 10 after again and again barely surviving at Toronto. He went 4 for 17 and over 5 without Luka. Undrafted Austin Reeves 44. Lakers win in spite of the King. That's some all time hater stuff. Considering that LeBron had the game winning assist.

[D]

I appreciate not, not getting off a take though. Stick with it, Skip.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What do you think the chances are that he did not watch any highlights or anything of that game?

[A]

Yeah, because if you want. Because I watched the last two minutes and I said right away, damn it, we can't make fun of that because that was the correct play. Shit. Okay, weekend preview. Stanford, Steve Fyre fest. Let's kick it to ourselves, okay? Before we get to our week, 14 picks in preview. DraftKings. One touchdown could change everything. The crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. Feel that same rush with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner. The NFL, where every touchdown could bring you closer to cashing in. With DraftKings Sportsbook, all the actions in your hands. First touchdown, anytime TD. Live bets, every play, every snap, every game matters. Missouri listeners listen up. DraftKings Sportsbooks now live in the Show Me state. Here's the best part. New customers bet just $5. If your bet wins, you'll get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When your team hits the end zone, you could hit the Payout. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE. That's code TAKE. Bet the bet five bucks and get 200 in bonus bets. If your bet wins. In partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours. Gambling problem.

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[D]

Oh, wings would be good. What about pizza? I haven't had wings in forever.

[A]

Wings, probably.

[C]

Salads.

[A]

Oh, salads.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it's Super Bowl Max.

[D]

I like to.

[B]

I like how Max said the other day, every Sunday is a super.

[A]

Are you trying to diet right now?

[C]

2 for 2 for 2 on gym. Gym day since I joined my new gym.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

I love that I was squatting and deadlifting this.

[D]

Whoa. What if we did. What if we did wings, but we also did fried chicken sandwiches. Some healthy.

Max.

[C]

What? So fried chicken sandwiches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Protein.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Chinese rice.

[A]

Health.

[D]

Yep. Good call.

[A]

Okay, so Uber Eats. You'll love being able to get your personal favorite game day foods delivered on UberEats so that you never miss a play when football makes you hungry, get game day deals all season long only on Uber Eats. Okay, boys, week 14.

[D]

This is the slate of the year.

[A]

This is slate of the year. We have. We do have four buys. This is the last time we have bye weeks. But yes, you obviously just listened to us talk about the Cowboys Lions game. We have The Patriots, Giants 49ers and Panthers on a bye week this week. Last buys of the season. But yeah, I'd agree there's. There's some very consequential games going on. There's the biggest playoff.

Disparity like in terms of winning and losing with the Ravens and Steelers game.

[D]

Right.

[A]

The Bears, packers. The Texans. Chiefs. Feels like an elimination game for the Chiefs. Probably not the Texans.

[D]

I would actually say this is week zero of the playoffs.

[A]

Yeah. Playoffs start now. Playoffs start now.

[D]

Hank, congrats on the buy.

[A]

Also, congratulations to the NFL. The Chiefs and Cowboys game broke Record for most views in a regular season game In NFL history, 57.2 million viewers.

[D]

NFL is king.

[A]

Good job. We did job. Roger, that's us. Roger, that's us. We did it.

[D]

I'm shocked it took this long for Roger Goodell to be like, what if we did the Cowboys and the Chiefs?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The number was so much higher, though, it's almost fishy.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Between the set, like, it wasn't like 20 million views more than number two.

[D]

It was. Yeah, not 20 million, but it was. I think it was like 10 million.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So that's. It broke it by a lot.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's. Listen, we did it. We did it. We should get credit for this. We did it. But, yeah, they're in. This week, there are seven teams who playoff. Whose playoff chances will swing by at least 25% with a win or loss in week 14. So I'll list them for you because it's. It's kind of fun just to look at these charts. The Steelers with a win can go with a loss, go from 65 per win with 65% loss, all the way down to 18% to make the playoffs.

[D]

So I. I've got slightly different numbers.

[A]

Okay, what do you got?

[D]

I've got them all the way up to 75.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

And then the Ravens, if they lose, that would drop it to 21. If the Ravens win, that pushes up to 70. And.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we have way different numbers on all of it.

[D]

This is from Aaron Shats.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I don't know where you got yours.

[A]

I have, like, this guy tweets out a. I wish I had his. His tweet right now. He just has the. The chart every single week. It's kind of cool. Yeah. Where you can just see, like, ooh, that game matters. Ooh, that game. At the end of the day, the games matter. The games matter.

[D]

The bottom line is buckle up your pants.

[A]

Yes. Big time. Games matter. Okay, let's start with a game that matters. I ordered these. Now that we're at this point of the season, I ordered them in terms of, like, most watchable games to start so that we can kind of figure out the TVs. We probably will end up doing Raven Steelers for Jerry on the TVs. But. But I'm most excited for the Bengals Bills game in the early slate. Bills minus six, overrunners 52 and a half. Joe Burrow back. I know that I've made the joke that everyone says, don't let the Bengals into the playoffs. We won't. There is a chance the Bengals can make the playoffs. Because if they can win this game, the rest of their schedule is easy, Plus a Ravens game where it would obviously swing a lot. So maybe I fell for it myself where I said they won't, but maybe they will.

[D]

Okay, so, big Cat, here's an interesting number for you.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

In the last year. Yeah, the last year. Last 12 months, Joe Burrow has started. How many games would you guess?

[A]

In the last year? Yeah, year. Calendar year. He started.

Five games.

[D]

He has started eight games.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

Care to guess what his record is?

[A]

He is.

Four and four.

[D]

He is eight. Zero.

[A]

Oh, wait. What?

[D]

As a starter.

[A]

As a starter. He's a starter.

[D]

In the last calendar year.

[A]

The last calendar year?

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Okay. I guess I thought they. For some reason, I thought they lost that game to the Steelers last year at the end of the season. Did they win that game? About the Patriots game. They what? Say it again. Oh, no. They did win out last year for some reason. It's because they didn't make the playoffs. They won.

[D]

Yeah. Joe Burrow.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Or you're thinking Josh Allen.

[A]

Joe Burrow. We're thinking of Joe Burrow.

[D]

Yeah. Joe Burrow is not lost.

[A]

Wait, but he only played in this calendar year. He's only played. Oh, are you saying 2025?

[D]

2024. Since last year. Since, like, this date, December 2nd.

[A]

Calendar year is. This is 2020.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

That's how I was answering it. I was answering it with the one game at the end of last year. In the beginning of this year. That's why I said, like, three.

[D]

So. So when the stat was pulled up, it was December 2nd. When I looked at.

[A]

We're off to a bad stat start all around.

[D]

So it's 2, 360, 367 days.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. In the last 367 days.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I would have believed that it was somewhere around eight starts. I did not realize he was eight now.

[D]

Eight. No.

[A]

Though, yeah.

[D]

Eight not is pretty impressive.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Been in.

[A]

Must wins.

[D]

Hank is still dumbfounded by that stat.

[B]

No, I. I make sense now.

[A]

Yeah. We were thinking calendar year 2025.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

That is the calendar year.

[D]

Gotcha. Yeah, I always. Yeah. 12 months is a calendar. A full calendar. I think I've just been using that term wrong my entire life.

[B]

Calendar year is like when you get a calendar, it starts in January.

[A]

Yeah. So I was saying calendar year, January, the last game he played last year, and the two games he played the beginning of this year.

[D]

It makes all the sense in the world, now that I think about it. I've just been. For 40 years, I've been saying calendar year for 12 months.

[A]

So, like, in the middle of June, if you said, hey, in the last calendar year, you'd go all the way back to June.

[D]

Yeah, I would have. I know.

[E]

I know.

[D]

It makes no sense now. I'm realizing it. I just. I. In retrospect, putting the word calendar in front is just an extra word that makes.

[A]

No, that's just the year.

[D]

Yeah. I just say it in the last year.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah. Like, on January 2nd, you can give us a last calendar year stat. It would just be January 1st and January 2nd.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

In the calendar year. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Joe Burrow, by the way, I love the. Joe Burrow is. Sometimes we forget that athletes are just so focused on what they have in front of them and not the outside world. Did you see that Lane Kiffin. They asked about Lane Kiffin and in the press conference, and Joe Burrow was like, yeah, I think it's good. And then they broke the news to him. They're like, ole Miss. He's like, ole Miss is in the playoffs.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. And he's like, are they keeping their staff? Oh, okay. Like, he. They had to explain the whole situation to him. Joe Burrow is just focused on football.

[D]

I love that right now. I don't think he pays attention to other sports. I think he's focused on. He. He might not even watch that much football. He might not watch that much NFL football at all. He might just be focused on Joe Burrow.

[A]

Yeah, he's focused on Joe Burrow and getting himself ready to go.

[D]

Our Hamlin game.

[A]

Yeah, the Jamar Hamlin game. Prayers for Demar. The Bills. I do think something happened with Josh Allen getting hit at the end of that first half against the Steelers. I said it on. I said it on Sunday after the show or during the show that. That was the start of the championship dvd. I think they interviewed a Bills player and someone was like, yeah, they, like, lit a fire under our ass. You can't do that to our quarterback. They also signed Darius Slay, who's just getting passed around. He just played against the Bills.

[D]

I thought he was going to go to the Birds.

[A]

I did, too.

[D]

I thought he was going home.

[A]

Birds. Birds. Not in the Darius Sleigh business. The Bills, by the way, are 5 and O this season when James Cooks has. James Cook has 20 plus carries on a game. The Bengals defense has gotten better, but they also can get run on. I kind of like the Bills in this game. I know I Know, I'm gonna look stupid if the Bengals make the playoffs, but I kind of like the Bills in this game.

[D]

So I was thinking about, like, the best teams playing right now in terms of, like, the last couple weeks. I would. I would think about, you know, obviously, small sample size with Thanksgiving only for Joe Burrow, but the Bengals.

[A]

The smallest samples.

[D]

Yeah, the Bengals look. One game, but they look really good in that game. Like, they looked like a complete team. Obviously, the defense, not. Not great, but they looked like they were an average defense in that game. And. And Joe Burrow and the offense looks incredible. I think the Bengals are very dangerous.

[A]

Yeah, they are. Don't let the Bengals in the playoffs. And we might. Now I've had to ch. I'm looking at their schedule. I've had to change my tune.

[D]

You know what the funniest possible outcome would be if the Bengals made the playoffs and then just got the. Kicked out of them in the first round. So you don't want to see these guys in the playoffs.

[A]

But then we did.

[D]

But then we were right that we didn't want to see him in the playoffs because they suck.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Do you like this game? Do you like this hungry dog?

[B]

No, I do have the hungry dog.

[A]

Oh, it's.

[B]

It's a. It's a pmt. Hungry dog.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[A]

So it's. It's. Bears, Commanders.

[D]

Jets.

[A]

Jets. Oh, my God, Hank, you dog. I'll have to ride.

[D]

I don't hate it.

[E]

No, I.

[A]

In fact, I love it.

[D]

I love you, Hank.

[B]

I love you. I love all of you.

[A]

Okay, next game. Yeah, I. I do like the Bills in this game. I don't. I just. Man, the Bills are banged up on the offensive line. Is Dalton Kincaid back?

[D]

Dalton Kincaid?

[A]

I don't think so.

[D]

He was limited at practice.

[A]

You know, Dalton Kincaid being out has really made me realize that they're not. Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox are not interchangeable.

[D]

It's been good for Dalton Kincaid to be out for a little bit.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I. Cause I. The whole time I was like, oh, they. They both have his names that start with D. They play the same position. They're the same guy. They're both dk. Yeah. No, Duncan Kate is very good, and they need him back. Latest injury news for Dalton Kincaid. Slate is questionable.

So he might be ahead of schedule.

[D]

So. But what if Dawson Knox was out? Would we then miss Dawson Knox?

[A]

Probably.

[D]

Do we need both of them? Both the DKs?

[A]

Probably. Yeah. So I don't know the Bills. I don't want to say The Bills are going to look past this game because they still need to win games in the playoffs. But they do have the big game. Do they play the Patriots next week? Is that next week?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Huge game.

[A]

Game for the division. T shirt and hacking. Right. Okay, next game.

[D]

That's the game. That's the game, by the way.

[A]

300.

[D]

That's the game.

[A]

Colts minus one and a half at Jaguars over under is 48 and a half. The Indianapolis Colts have not beaten the Jaguars in Jacksonville since 2014. Ten straight.

[D]

That's a lot of calendar years.

[A]

Isn't that crazy? They're also. Overall, they're 3 and 16 against the spread versus the Jags since 2015. The Jags have always given the Colts some problems.

[D]

Yeah. So they've. The Jags have won their last 10 games in the entire series when they're the home team. Yeah. Not just in Florida, but also in London. Games in England, they did that too. In this game. It's going to be very funny and a good reminder of what football really is because you've got Armstead and Trayvon Walker both with broken hands. So we're going to have double club on the defensive line for the Jaguars.

[A]

Club it up.

[D]

Running around trying to tackle a guy with a broken leg. That's what football is this time of.

[A]

Year, by the way. I got a little bit more of an explanation from our doctor, Dr. Dan, after we said, how the hell does Daniel Jones play with a broken leg? He sent me some words that I didn't fully understand about injuries, but essentially he boiled it down to it's more of a ligament injury that has a bone displaced. So it's similar to a really bad ankle sprain.

[D]

Got it. There's different types of broken fibulus, too. There's one that. Where it's cracked.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

That you can't really walk that much on.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then you have the one that you get when you, like, sprain your ankle really badly. So that's a ligament pulls.

[A]

That's exactly what it is. So it's a really bad sprained ankle is what he explained it to me. So that makes a lot more sense that Dan Jones is playing.

[D]

So apparently he's got a 3D printed pad on his leg. And we noticed that last week when we watched him play. It looked like he had something like big shoved down his sock.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And It's a. A 3D printed pad that was built by his old teammates at Duke. They started a business, 3D Printing Injury Pads. And now he's. He's having that. He says that they.

[A]

Did you pay for the paywall for that article?

[D]

No.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I saw it as well. Not at all. I just.

[D]

I saw the interview. I saw the.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Greg Doyle had an article and it was paywall. And then my usual bypassing a paywall website doesn't work. So I just didn't read it.

[D]

I would love to hear Greg Doyle's take on this, though.

[A]

He probably would be like, Kaylin Clark.

[D]

Kaylin Clark can't do this. I'd love the keys to Daniel Jones for a minute. Daniel Jones also said that they have an app for this pad that you wear on your. We have too many apps.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Too many apps. You have an app for everything in your life. Every company, everything you buy something from, they make you download their own personal app for it. Now we have an injury pad that you put over a broken leg that you have to have an app for.

[A]

Love it.

[D]

That's. I think we've gone too far with the apps, but, yeah, Daniel still tough. Still very tough that he's playing with this. With a broken leg.

[A]

Jaguars are playing with their throwback jerseys, which I love. That's pretty cool. I. Those are their. I think the first iteration of Jaguars jerseys, which were the best Jaguars jerseys. There was some pushback. Some people were like, oh, you hate the Colts. I don't hate the Colts. I said on Sunday that I think the Colts could be in deep water because the Colts have the toughest remaining strength to schedule based on win percentage.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So they played the Jaguars, The Seahawks, the 49ers, the Jaguars and the Texans. Those are all. Those are all playoff teams right now. Obviously the Texans are not technically a playoff team, but I think they will be in the playoffs. They're going to have to prove it down the stretch. We also have a guy who I hate. I do hate. I'll be honest with this Blake Groupie. He just misses every kick whenever I need one. He's now on the Colts.

[D]

Did not know that he's on the Colts.

[A]

And he took a shot at the Saints, saying to now be a part of the Colts and feel like I'm playing meaningful football. We're all working towards something here. Not really a shot, more just of a. Yeah, I mean, the Saints are not good.

[D]

The nice thing about Blake Groupie, though, is if. If you look at him, you're like, that's a kicker.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He is like the. The creative player. Generic creative player for kicker in Madden. Everything about this guy screams place kicker. And I. I like it. When the kickers don't try to get jacked up.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

We've seen too much that recently. Blake groupie is. His BMI is probably like 1815 maybe he's I think like 57 and 140 pounds.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's good to have a nerd on the team that kicks.

[A]

I just wanted people to know because if Blake Groupie misses a kick, that's something that would piss me off. If I bet on the Colts and then Blake Groupie misses a kick, you're like, wait, what the fuck? How's he on this team?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So that could, that could sneak up on you.

[D]

It could. Be warned.

[A]

We also have, I mean, Liam Cohen coach of the year. He's got to be in the running.

[D]

He's in the conversation. We'll have the conversation back.

[A]

Running is. I would say Rabel, Ben Johnson, Schottenheimer, Liam Cohn.

[D]

I would say Steichen too.

[B]

He's got a split at least if.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know what?

[D]

Colts. This might be the coach of the year game.

[B]

I think if.

[A]

I think if the Jaguars or the.

[B]

Colts go 20 against the other.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Then that puts them in the front. I think if they split, then he goes to Vrabel or Benjamin.

[D]

I agree with that. I think that this is leg one of the home and home coach of the year series. Yeah.

[A]

I, I mean, Liam Cohen's done an incredible job.

[D]

Yes, he.

[A]

He really has. There were some people in this building, in this building who are predicting the Jaguars to have four wins.

[D]

But maybe Stephen Chase. Not right.

[A]

I didn't say who was.

[D]

Maybe he's just early. Like he was with the Barkley tape.

[A]

Yeah. This is when saquon Barkley runs for 2, 000 yards next year. What do you say then? Yeah, like, you were still early.

[D]

Yeah, I was. I was early. But then, then he would. If Saquon lives up to his expectations this year, I, I should say lives down, continues to. Then next year Chase should be like, I'm predicting a bounce back year.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

For Saquon Barkley. That way if he doesn't do it, Cha will be like, he disappointed me.

[A]

He disappointed me.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So right now, coach, the year on DraftKings is Mike Vrabel is the favorite. Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald is third. And then Shane Steichen and Liam Cohen.

[D]

Okay, so they're four or five. But I do think like a sweep. Sweep goes a long way here.

[A]

Yeah, I'd agree. Okay, next game, Steelers at Ravens. Ravens minus six over under 43 and a half. This is just. So the Ravens have been favored against the Steelers in. This will be their fourth time. Fourth straight time being favored against the Steelers. They weren't favored in three straight times before that. Like, they obviously were. Like, you know, the last game they were. But that's how this series has gone where it flip flops. And as an underdog against the Ravens, Mike Tomlin is 134 and 2 against the spread as head coach the Steelers.

[D]

It's the dog bowl, though.

[A]

It's the dog bowl.

[B]

The underdog is 2473 when Mike Tomlin faces Jim Harbaugh.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But doesn't matter.

[A]

This also feels like the most heat that Mike Tomlin's ever been under. Depends. Heat noise. Which is very funny. He had to address that because Big Ben said it on his podcast.

[D]

I love that. Well, footballing with Big Ben.

[A]

Yeah, footballing.

[D]

What's so funny about that? Rumor is that if Penn State gets Mike Tomlinson, they would essentially be saying like, hey, you know what we could really use as a coach that never really gets to the top, but always has us in the conversation.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And then Pittsburgh, if Penn State wants your coach so bad, I almost feel like that would make the. The owners of the Steelers say, wait, they just fired a guy for always being close to the top and now they can't hire one and now they miss having that guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they want my guy. That would make me afraid of getting rid of Mike Tomlin.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Like, what's going to happen after I get. Is Brian Hartline going to turn me down, too?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You might be out in the woods.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The. This game, though. I want to take the Steelers, but I just don't. I feel like they're just so. They're so bad and they're so unimaginative. And now we have Mike Tomlin's sons trying to fight Jersey Jerry. That feels like a loss of focus in the locker room.

[D]

Possibly. But counterpoint, it was Aaron Rodgers birthday this week.

[A]

42Nd birthday.

[D]

And did you see the report from Jerry Dulac? He said Aaron Rodgers had his receivers, tight ends and running backs to his house tonight to watch film and go over plays. Ben Skaronic brought a decorated cake.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[D]

And the players sang Happy birthday to Rogers, who turned 42 on Tuesday.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

That feels like players only meeting birthday party.

[A]

Yeah. A birthday party that becomes a players only meeting.

[D]

Aaron Rodgers had a birthday party. Slash, players only meeting.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Which I don't. I don't know if that's ever been done before.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So I. I don't know. I feel like this might gel the offense a little bit.

[A]

It could be.

[D]

They might go. He might explode for like 200 yards.

[A]

And throw the ball 15 yards down the field.

[D]

May. Let's not get crazy.

[A]

I did like Mike Tomlins quote on Marlon Humphrey. He's called him the poster child for their turnover culture.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Ravens turnover culture.

[D]

That's good turnover culture. It's. It's very important. Did you know that Asante Samuel Jr. He's on the Steelers now. They lead the league in. In Sons. I believe his dad has a podcast. Asante Samuel Senior has a podcast.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[D]

It's called say what Needs to Be Said, which is a great name for a podcast. That should be a segment on this show. And his dad's been talking about dk, About TK Metcalf already. He. He hasn't even really. He hasn't played a game for the Steelers yet, and his dad's already. We got all the dads in the NFL just. They can't stop stirring up.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

He said DK's a non factor. He's most of the problem. At the end of the day, Aaron Rodgers needs somebody to throw to. He's used to having elite receivers that can get open. DK can't provide that for Aaron. And DK is the reason that Aaron Rodgers is looking so old.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I mean, strong, strong words from your dad. Yeah. I don't know how that's going to. That's going to sit with dk. He doesn't see.

[A]

He might.

[D]

This actually might mode. I'm going to trust Asante Samuel Senior.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He's been enough good locker rooms. He might be actually trying to coach the team.

[A]

Dk. I mean, it has been just really bad to watch.

[D]

Really bad.

[A]

Really bad to watch. Mike Tomlin talked about that. So he had two good quotes. One was someone asked him, what is it like for you personally when the fans are calling for you to go? He said, in general, I agree with them. So Mike Tomlins, he's got the fans back. And then he said about finding the answers in the building. He said those same ingredients have produced six wins as well as six losses. And so it's about how we cook it this week.

[D]

Same ingredients, different chef. But the problem is it's the same chef every week. So you're saying that the same chef.

[A]

Correct.

[D]

Varies week to week and how he prepares the recipe.

[A]

I would like to see something out of the Ravens, because I do not think the Ravens. Lamar Jackson has Something's been off. Their defense obviously looks a lot better, but if the Ravens are going to start being taken for real, they. They should pound the Steelers. They should.

[D]

They should. But Lamar, But Mike Thomas, there's something wrong. You're right. There's something wrong with Lamar because he's not running.

[A]

Yeah, he hasn't. It just looks off.

[D]

He hasn't run the ball. He's averaged 3 yards per carry since his hamstring injury.

[A]

Yeah. And something's up.

[D]

And he has not had a run of over 20 yards all year.

Pretty crazy for Lamar Jackson.

[A]

Pretty crazy.

[D]

We're talking about.

[A]

Obviously he hasn't played a lot of the year, but.

[D]

Yeah, right. But that's still. That's crazy that Lamar has not had a 20 yard run this season.

[A]

Agree. Agreed. I'm going to probably end up taking the Steelers. I'm going to bet the fucking hate it. I fucking hate it.

[D]

This is the exact situation where. Where you have to bet the Steelers.

[A]

Yes. I hate it. Okay, next up, Seahawks seven and a half point favorites over the falcons. Over under 43 and a half. Did you know Sam Darnold has been a favorite of six points or more 10 times as a starter in the NFL? He's 10, 0 straight up 8 and 2 against the spread in those games.

[D]

Did not know that.

[A]

That's pretty crazy.

[D]

I did not know that.

[A]

That one shocked me a little bit because if you told me like oh, Sam Darnold is an eight point dog. Oh, I thought it was going to be reverse. He doesn't cover but I. The Seahawks defense is very, very good. Sam Darnold did not look great last week against the Vikings but he also didn't really the game flow there. Didn't really ask him to do a lot.

[D]

No, he didn't have to.

[A]

They've been in a lot of those games.

[D]

But they also. That's the thing that when you watch that game from last week, he didn't have to make too many throws. They dominated. But the Vikings also did a pretty good job defensively against system. It's kind of the. The two sides of the same coin. So the Vikings, they blitzed them 18 out of 30 drop backs. So that's 60 of the time. They normally blitz 48 of the time and the Falcons, they blitz the second most in football. They blitz usually at 36 of the time. So they're. My guess is they're going to blitz them like half the time this weekend and we'll see. I don't think that the Falcons are good enough As a whole on offense.

[A]

Well, it's. The Seahawks defense is better. Did you know that? Seahawks defense in terms of. So obviously the overall defense we'll have to see after the season. But in a seven game stretch, they have actually played better in a seven game stretch this year than the best seven game stretch of the Legion of the Boom.

[D]

I did not know that.

[A]

That's. It's. They're. They're playing lights out football.

[D]

Yeah, they're awesome. And they are the best team in football against the spread and they have the best point differential in all football too.

[A]

And Jackson, Smith, Najigba did not have a good game last week. So I feel like he's gonna have a good game this week. And Kirk Cousins. All the respect in the world to Kirk Cousins, but he is old and he's playing against a really good defense. Yeah.

[D]

All the respect in the world to Kirk.

[A]

All respect.

[D]

Hope he gets another contract. I hope he earns a half billion dollars.

[A]

I want Kirk Cousins come to this office, play some hoops with us. Remember he said that that would be fun.

[D]

Kirk Cousins be a great hang.

[A]

I do think Kirk Cousins actually would be pretty good in media just because he's a likable guy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And he could, he could make fun of himself a little bit.

[D]

He'd be like the best assistant principal you ever had.

[A]

Ever. The. Also Mike McDonald on the road. Good.

[D]

Yeah. Seahawks in general, very good on the road right now.

[A]

Yes. Okay. Do we. So what are we going to do with the TVs? Are we going to go. We're gonna really go Steelers, Ravens. The middle TV for Jerry.

[D]

I think.

[A]

Or should we just say it? Bengals. Bills.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Bengals.

[D]

I think we got to go Bengals, Bills.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

In the middle.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

And then if it's close, we can, we can make some switch ups because.

[A]

We have some obvious bottom TVs.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's one of the next games. Titans at Browns. Browns minus four and a half over under his 33 and a half. I just don't understand how you can have Shador Sanders four and a half point favorite. I know the Titans are really bad.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, did you watch them last week? It was, it was very, very.

[A]

And they usually know it's Kim Ward's worst game.

[D]

They usually do pretty good against the Jaguars at home. No matter what. What's going on with the Titans. But yes, this is TV number six for us.

[A]

I think we're gonna have it on seven.

[D]

Maybe seven. Put it over on the side. Tv. Titans usually live.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But yeah, Deshaun Watson. The window's open.

[A]

The window is open.

[D]

The six. The six worst words in sports. DeSean Watson has entered the window. Now, I. I think that Shador doesn't have anything to worry about this season. They want to see what they got in them.

[A]

Him. Yes.

[D]

And they'll. They'll give him a pretty long leash for the rest of the year. And I think I figured out Shador, because we talked about it a little bit on Monday of how, like, I don't really. I said I didn't really understand how polarizing Shador was because I. And I know that he is polarized.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But I think the most controversial parts of Shador Sanders are actually not Shador Sanders. It's what other people say about Shador Sanders.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

I think as far as, like, a personality goes and a player goes, he's like a pretty normal starting quarterback.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

He's cocky. But I think, like, every starting quarterback coming into the league, they have to have this almost irrational belief in themselves, so Shador's nothing different. His dad obviously rubs people the wrong way. Other people love Dion, and that gets transferred onto Shador. But as a guy goes, I don't. I don't think that Shador is the reason. It's everybody else talking about Shador.

[A]

I think he's partially the reason. I mean, he said I'm him. He said. He. He. Before he said the Brown. This is what the Browns have been waiting for. I wouldn't say Shador isn't. He's not completely. He's cocky.

[D]

Yeah, he's cocky.

[A]

He's very cocky.

[D]

He's cocky. But the league is filled with cocky guys.

[A]

Of course, but he's cocky.

[D]

He hasn't done anything in the league, but he has. He has a unique ability, too, to make people crazy.

[A]

Yes. But I. I would. I would put a little bit on Shador. His answers are a little. The. And I. I listen. I like having Shador in the league, and I think that it's. It's good entertainment. But he's. It's not like he's. I mean, remember he did the interview where he didn't say a word?

[D]

Yeah. That was pretty funny.

[A]

Yeah. Like, yeah, he's doing some things that are worthy of. Of. Of being a lightning rod.

[D]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

[A]

I don't think it's just his dad.

[D]

He's not. He's not completely absolved of it, but the. The conversations around Shador are. Are by far the most controversial part about him.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, what Was it. What was the Kendrick Perkins. He said the most important, the import.

[D]

Most important black man since Barack Obama.

[A]

Yep. That's Shador Sanders.

[D]

That's such. That's an awesome take.

[A]

He can't cover four and a half, Kenny.

[D]

I think the defense might.

[A]

Can he cover four and a half? Maybe the defense can. I just.

[E]

I.

[A]

Four and a half is a lot. That's just. That's a lot.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Hank. I mean I. No one should bet this game is really what the. What the answer is.

[D]

I'm betting it.

[A]

This game is.

[B]

I'm betting the over.

[D]

I'm taking the under.

[A]

You're taking.

Okay. This is just a. You're.

[B]

You're going to dussy slash Brown's defense.

[D]

Yeah, mostly Miles Garrett.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When totals that low, you need one punt return, one defensive touchdown and you're.

[D]

In it big time. But you could also make.

[A]

Yeah, but also could just. The game could suck and there could be no points. Of course. Yeah, that's. Hey, that's gambling.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't see a word. How can the Titans score more than 10 points in this game?

[A]

How can the Browns score more than 10 points?

[D]

Fumbles.

[A]

Yeah.

I mean he. How. How could they score more than 10 points?

[D]

I think the roadmap is you get. You get one touchdown off a. A strip sack by Miles Garrett. Maybe. Maybe a muffed punt from the Titans. You get possession at like the five yard line. Quinshon Judkins gets the ball in, the wildcat runs it in. We're up to 14 points.

[C]

I also just figure out Shoulder Sanders could just throw three picks in his own territory. That's how the Titans score more than 10 points. That's easily.

[A]

Listen, I'm not saying that I'm confident the Titans are going to cover. I'm more saying that it's just crazy. The Browns are four and a half point favorites. If there were two and a half points, I'd be like, okay, yeah, even then I. This should just be a pickup because who the knows what's going to happen? But you're going to bet the Browns.

[D]

I. I'm. I'm going to think about betting the Browns, but I'm going to take the under.

[A]

Okay. Next game. Commanders at Vikings. Vikings minus one and a half over under 41 and a half. Is Jaden Daniels playing play?

[D]

I. I still don't know. I still. I don't. I don't think that he is, but he might. Okay, so I put it like I'm at like 60 that he's not going to play.

[A]

Are you worried about nine?

[D]

I think that. I think that this defense for the commanders is not as good as what we saw.

[B]

We.

[D]

We had a nice little burst of energy against the Broncos last week.

[A]

We also have to remember the Broncos play every single game on the road, especially close.

[D]

Yes. Yes. And I think that the defense has not been fixed. There's been no. No major, like personnel reassignments or anything like that. Dan Quinn is in charge of calling the defense, which I think it does make a difference. But I still think that the problems that we have are going to be the problems moving forward for the team. I. I think nine might light us up this week.

[A]

I actually think this might be where you want to buy some 9 stock.

[D]

I think this is the.

[A]

We're gonna buy some 9 stock this week.

[D]

You know what I think. I think nine might go off.

[B]

Really?

[D]

I think he might throw for 300 this weekend.

[A]

Do you? No way.

[D]

300 against the commander's defense.

[A]

300.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you Would. If Jaden Daniels is healthy, are you. You want him to play or no?

[D]

All right. So I keep going back and forth on it. Big picture.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Imagine he gets hurt.

[A]

Yeah. But that's. Then why play football?

[D]

I. I understand. That's why I'm saying big picture.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Big picture. If he gets hurt, I'm gonna be like, why the was Jaden Daniels playing in this game? And going into next year, I'm going to be just thinking bad thoughts about Dan Quinn and the commanders.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Counterpoint. Good football players want to play football when they're healthy.

[A]

Correct.

[D]

And there is something to be said for competing and for winning games down the stretch that don't mean anything. Build momentum. You build momentum into next year. And I. I really enjoy watching Jaden Daniels play football. And I haven't gotten to see him play that much with Terry on the outside and a relatively healthy offensive line. So big picture. I do not want to see Jaden Daniels play. Small picture. I would really like to see Jane Daniels play this weekend.

[C]

You just gotta look at Joe Burrow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That was the same thing of why is Joe Burrow playing in this game? Then you have that big win. It's like, oh, okay, this is fun. This is meaning. This is meaningful football to the fans.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you're building off something to go into next year. You gotta want your guys to play. If he.

[E]

If he's fully.

[C]

He has to be 120. Health.

[D]

120.

[C]

120.

[D]

That's a lot of percent health. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I have a blind resume for you guys.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

All right. So both quarterbacks have played exactly 251 plays at quarterback this year. Quarterback 1 is 19th in EPA for play, 15th success rate, 10th in CPOE, second in ADOT.

[D]

What's it.

[A]

What are those ADOT?

[B]

Average depth of target. Meaning they're short, they're all shut down. CPOE's completion percentage over expected. Meaning like they're putting the ball.

[A]

So give us those numbers again.

[B]

19Th EPA, 15th success rate, success rate, 10th in CPOE, second in ADOT.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Player B, 26th in EPA, 20th success rate, 32nd in CPOE, which is completed percentage over expected, meaning like they're accurate. Putting the ball in the money. 23rd in ADOT.

[A]

But it.

[B]

Who would you rather have?

[A]

It matters though, who's who. They're playing around, like who's on the team.

[D]

A lot of that has to do with like drop.

[B]

What's the same team?

[D]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Who's player A.

[B]

Who would you rather at quarterback?

[D]

I think I'm going to take player B.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The one that's.

[D]

Yeah, I'm going to take much rather have player B.

[A]

Okay. Who are these players?

[B]

Player A is Marcus Mariota. Player B is Jane Daniels.

[D]

All right, this season, Jaden.

[B]

So, yeah, you want to lose. That makes sense.

[D]

I want. Jade.

[A]

You want, you want, you want to lose. You want to tank.

[B]

So you want the player that's had worse stats this year.

[D]

I've got another blind resume for you, but this is a different. It's a different spin on the blind resume. Okay, so normally with blind resume you don't get the names and you get the stat and you have to pick. Okay. And that's.

[B]

Yeah, you.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's how you normally do a blind resume. That's how we just did it. Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing a reverse blind resume. So I'm going to give you the names and then you try to figure out what stat is missing from what all these names have in common. Okay. Desean Kaiser, Tim Tebow, Zach Mettenberger, Desmond Ritter, Dan Orlovsky, JP Lossman, Christian Ponder. What stat is missing?

[A]

Right handed quarterbacks.

[D]

No, they're not all right handed. Tim Tebow.

[C]

I think I know.

[A]

Hank.

[D]

Do you have a guess?

[B]

Winning percentage above 50%.

[D]

Desean Kaiser.

[A]

What?

[D]

Deshaun Kaiser.

[B]

I'm saying that none of them have it.

[D]

No, that's not the stat that they all have in common.

[B]

I guess winning center is below 50.

[D]

They're all browns quarterbacks. Not all of them. Nope. Nope.

[C]

Do you want me to guess? Yeah, I think they may have all thrown for 300 yards.

[D]

They all have droned for 300 yards in a football game. Game in the NFL. All those guys. DeSean Kaiser, Johnny Football.

[A]

We got a stat off.

[D]

Tim Tebow, Mettenberger.

[C]

This should be a segment. Everyone comes with us with a. Yeah.

[D]

Insults that trivia time.

[A]

I'm actually surprised PFD has been walking around just giving this stat to everyone.

[B]

We're on a buy.

[D]

Who cares?

[C]

You thought about it.

[A]

We are talking about commanders Vikings.

[C]

Big Cat thought about this for like 15 minutes. He was like trying to put together like a real.

[A]

It's not that hard. And I was like, oh.

[C]

It was like, what is the one thing that PFT is played in?

[D]

All right, well listen, if. If you watch Commanders football and you think that Marcus Mariota is a better quarterback than Jane Daniels, you should have your head examined.

[A]

Well, that's not what Hank said. He just said the stats.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I just go by the numbers.

[D]

Yeah, you just go. Listen, I'm just going by the numbers.

[A]

Which you do too with the 300 yard thing. You just go by the numbers.

[D]

Numbers never lie.

[A]

Yeah, we got stat off.

[D]

Good. Stat off. Hank's not blinking on it. I'm not blinking on my stat. Big boy.

[B]

I. I like your stack because it's like you have. You're gonna have nothing else soon enough and you know that.

[D]

Don't. Don't be so sure.

[A]

Yeah, he might. Yeah, I think BFT will be able to find something else.

[D]

Yeah, listen, Drake May is having.

[B]

Sounds like when he does in the playoffs, it's just gonna be.

[D]

Yeah, sure. The other stat could be like how many playoff wins does your quarterback have?

[B]

Right?

[A]

Marcus Mayer definitely has a playoff one.

[D]

He's got one.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

But yes, I. When it comes down to it, I would rather see Jayden Daniels play even though it makes no sense for like his health and where we're at in the season. I don't care. I like watching play football. He's awesome.

[A]

Do you have anything to say though for Marcus Mario to playing better than Jaden Daniels this year?

[D]

Yeah, if you've watched the tape, that's 0% chance that any NFL general manager would take Mariota over Jane Daniels.

[A]

No, no, that's not what I said. He. He. I'm not saying he takes Jay Daniels over. I'm not saying you take Marcus Mario to over Jay Daniels. That Marcus Mario has played better this year than Jade.

[D]

I think you could look at a Couple games on there. One specifically against the Raiders and say that if Jaden Daniels had played against the Raiders, he probably would have gone off against them because that's the one that's bringing Mariota's stats up.

[A]

Is that Mariota just lit up the Broncos best defense.

[D]

Excuse me? Mariota.

[A]

Mariota played well against the Broncos.

[B]

30 seconds.

[D]

CPOE completion. What is that one again?

[B]

Completion percentage over expected. Meaning they're putting those.

[D]

Yeah. What is completion percentage over expected? Meaning like that's a run after the catch.

[A]

No, like it's like they're like like that's a. It's not expected to be completed. Yeah, he's making it okay. Yeah.

[B]

So well defended.

[D]

So I would also need to put.

[B]

The ball on the money and Jaden Daniels does not do that.

[D]

I would also imagine that has a lot to do with Terry not really playing with him.

[A]

With who?

[D]

With Jaden.

[A]

He didn't play with Marcus either, right? No.

[D]

Terry's played with Marcus.

[A]

Yeah. Just this last week a few times.

[D]

He had. Well, those two catches against the Chiefs I would imagine helped out significantly with that. He had some great catches against the Broncos.

[A]

He did have those catches against Chiefs.

[D]

Those are nice.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So are you worried about nine?

[D]

I'm very worried about nine. Nine. Nine's been hearing for the past two weeks how much he sucks and I think he. This is a different mindset that we're going to get.

[A]

This might be nine week. Yep, might be nine week. Okay. The second to last early game, Dolphins, jets, memes. I think you guys are going to win this game.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

It's going to be a fun game.

[D]

I have one other stat about. About nine. Real quick.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

All right. So this is what CBS put out. So if you put nine up against every first round quarterback since 2016 that. That played in the first two seasons. McCarthy's first six starts have him 34th out of 35 quarterbacks in EPA per drop back, 32nd and completion percentage 34th in turnover worthy throws and dead last with interceptions and passer rating. Okay.

So there's one quarterback that overall ranks worse on the list in EPA per drop back. Do you know who that would be?

[A]

How many years this is over their.

[D]

First two seasons and. But how many years back does it go since 2016?

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

It's Jared Goff. Oh, so things can turn around.

[A]

Things can turn.

[D]

So maybe we're just. Now might be a great time like you said, to buy stock in the 9 market.

[A]

I mean he can't be as bad.

[D]

As Brosnar can't be.

[A]

You can't.

[D]

That was probably the best thing to happen to him.

[A]

Right, Right. That's got all the confidence in the world.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

Being like, hey, look, I can actually throw the ball. Okay. Dolphins and jets. Jets are 2 1/2 point underdogs. Overrunners. 40 and a half. I like the jets this weekend. Memes. I do. I really do.

[D]

I would like the jets if it was colder.

[A]

How cold is it going to be? 40, 42 degrees. Light wind.

[D]

That's cold enough to. I believe the stat is under 46 degrees. He's 0 and 7 lifetime.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

I think this is gonna be a.

[D]

Back and forth game.

[A]

I see. We predicted the Dolphins would obviously have this little run because they played absolutely nobody. And I do think the jets are playing. They're playing spirited football. They're playing hard. Right?

[D]

Right.

[A]

They're trying hard. Counterpoint point here. The Dolphins are a team that loves screens. Guests don't defend well against screens. Oh, that's not good. So a chain.

Probably. Darren Waller, how do you pronounce a chain?

[D]

I think. I think that's right.

[A]

People were saying. I was wrong.

[D]

I've heard of hn.

[A]

Hn. That's right.

[D]

I've heard a chain too.

[A]

Each ain't.

[D]

Is this a. Sean, Is this the first ever Capri bowl between coaches?

[A]

Well, they already played.

[D]

Right. First. But the first match of. The only match.

[A]

I think we brought it up when they played last time.

[D]

Yeah. The only matchup that has Capris.

[A]

Yes. I don't know if they'll both be capris with 40 degree weather, though.

[D]

If you're about that life. Be about that life.

[A]

Yeah. I'm hoping. I'm hoping that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

McDaniels sometimes he'll do like the fisherman.

Pants like the.

[D]

The kid in Christmas Story.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Just get all bundled up.

[A]

I. I kind of like to.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

I just. I think we're. Jets are fighting also to. Rod Taylor is 63% in his career against the spread. That's what he does. He covers spreads.

[D]

I love that.

[A]

That's pretty crazy.

[D]

I. I do like the jets here. I. I feel like they're. They're playing aggressive memes.

[A]

Are you wearing your new jerseys? Yes. It's rival. It's rivalry week and the field is going to look weird. It's gonna look cool.

[E]

I would go weird.

[A]

I think.

[D]

I think cool.

[A]

I think weird is more like. It's definitely cool. All right, Hank and Pft. You be the judge. Is this weird or cool? Yeah, weird.

[C]

I say cool.

[A]

The middle is. End zones are.

[B]

The end zones are very cool.

[A]

The end zones are cool. But the middle of the field is weird.

[D]

It looks like the Gotham City jets.

[A]

Yeah, you should.

[C]

Yeah, looks like a fighter jet right there.

[A]

Gotham jets.

[D]

What looks like a fighter jet?

[A]

The middle. The one in the middle. It's a jet.

[D]

What kind of. What kind of plane is like on the middle of the field?

[A]

Yeah, that's a. That's some type of plane.

[D]

That's I.

[B]

That's like the plane from the beginning of Top Gun.

[D]

Are you talking about the. The B2? You're talking about the experimental SR72?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

No, that's what you're talking. Because that, that, the tail fin on that is way too big. Got it. Way too big.

[B]

It also looks like a slipper.

[D]

It kind of. If you turn it sideways, it's art.

[A]

It's art.

[D]

Midfield art.

[A]

You guys don't appreciate art.

[C]

I see this. I see the slipper. I definitely see the slipper.

[A]

Yeah, it's definitely a slipper. Could be a spaceship. It's like a spa slipper.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like super thin bottom.

[A]

It's a free spa slipper.

[D]

Yeah. So what are the uniforms, though?

[A]

They're like. They're black, I think. I don't know. They're a shade of green. Oh, oh, they're dark green, right?

[D]

Yeah, Dark pulled up.

[A]

Yeah, those are like black. Almost black.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Don't green to almost black.

[D]

I don't love the uniforms.

[C]

You know, I think they're cool uniforms too. Don't untalk. You like this memes. These are cool uniforms.

[A]

I just don't like the Jets. He hates the Jets. I don't like that logo. I think the. The uniforms are cool. The logo is weird.

[D]

The slippery logo and so are the Dolphins also wearing rivalry?

[A]

No, they already wore those.

[D]

Okay. So it's a one sided rivalry.

[A]

Oh, that kind of sucks. You got to get the. Well, no, you actually would rather have the Dolphins wear their candy ass uniforms.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

In the cold.

[D]

So Dolphins are gonna be wearing white candy ass. I like the Jets. I still do.

[A]

Yep, same.

[D]

I love the jets, man. You know that about me.

[A]

You hate them.

[D]

I don't know where the. The PFT hates the jets narrative got started with memes, but I love it.

[A]

Pft Commenter. Pro football talk. Commenter. Jets comes from.

[D]

Gotcha. Pro Football talk. You see the three friends with Diane Rossini. You see the three letters?

[A]

Systematic Florios. You have to admit that you are. You are close to at least a lot of Jets. Haters.

[D]

I'm very, I'm well known associate of two of the biggest jets haters.

[A]

You might not be a made man in the jets hater mafia, but you're out on the street earning.

[D]

Hey, I'm a friend of theirs.

[B]

You're getting brought in on a RICO case.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. You're getting locked up with all.

[D]

But I'm gonna rat on them.

[A]

When. When the jets are at the top of the league and Memes puts everyone in jail. You're going to jail.

[D]

That's the thing, though, is like, I'll show you how close I am because I'm gonna flip.

[C]

Did anyone watch Cocaine Quarterback?

[A]

No. Did you watch the Philly Mob Wars?

[C]

No.

[A]

Oh, so good. Dude, watch it.

[C]

You guys should watch Cocaine Quarterback. It's good.

[A]

I think you should watch Philly Mob wars first.

[C]

All right, well, I already, I will.

[A]

I'll watch that. No, you have to watch that before I watch.

[B]

You probably know the cheesesteak guy.

[A]

Yeah, Joey Merlino.

[C]

I.

[A]

Skinny Joe.

[C]

I know, I know someone associated with him.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you do? You can't count to do.

[C]

No.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

You know someone who knows someone?

[C]

Well, I just through, like, Instagram. Dms.

[A]

Oh, oh, oh, okay. Watch it. It's really good.

[C]

I will watch it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Saints at Bucks. Bucks minus eight and a half over under 48. Two and a half. I don't care about this game. I kind of win.

[D]

I kind of like the Saints against the spread, though.

[A]

Really?

[D]

Yeah, it's a lot of points. Rivalry game. The Bucks haven't looked that great recently. Kim Jordan and Tyler Shuck doesn't look bad.

[A]

Yeah. Cam Jordan said it's always playing here. Retiring, talking about his future, but maybe it's not.

[D]

Okay. All right.

[A]

I don't really know what that means. He kind of surprised himself on that.

[D]

Yeah, he, well, he thought about it more.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And he's like, wait, my agent's gonna kill me.

[A]

It would be nice to not be here right now.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I, I, I think the, I think the Bucks are going to win this game. They, they're in the must win, especially these type of games. And the Saints are just a bummer. Saints are going to be the, the, the Saints owner is going to be on the list of bad owners that we're going to call out.

[D]

I think it's good to see. These are some Tyler Shuck throws. Yeah, he's not playing that bad. He's throwing the ball really well.

[A]

His second half last week against the Dolphins was good.

[D]

I, I'M I'm skeptical about the Bucks until I see Baker play a game where he looks like he's healthy. And then what? And then once that happens, I'm going to be like, yeah, the Bucks are for real.

[A]

He didn't look unhealthy last week.

[D]

Yeah, but he hasn't really looked like himself that much recently. No, but once he gets dark, if he gets healthy. Yeah, the Bucks are. They should blow out a team like the Saints. But I think for now, eight and a half points is a lot of points.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Broncos minus seven and a half. Raiders over under 40 and a half is another one. I just don't. I don't know. I. I feel like I've. I've tried to talk myself. The Broncos do play every game close, but the Raiders are an abomination to football. So I can't. I can't take the Raiders, but I also don't want to take the Broncos minus seven and a half.

[D]

I mean, it's an important game.

[A]

It's. Yeah. Broncos are going for the one seed.

[D]

So if, if the Broncos win, that would put them ahead of the Patriots, which is they. They go down to the two different. I think this would be the third level of tiebreaker.

[A]

I think it's in conference.

[D]

So it's going to be. They might have to go to common opponents and the Broncos would be 60 against the common opponents that they have.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And.

The Patriots lost to the Raiders in week one, so this is actually. It's pretty important for the seeding.

Yeah. The Broncos, I don't think that they're like. They don't stand out as being an awesome team because they play such close games and they need like fourth quarter comebacks and they do stupid stuff every now and again. But I don't see the Raiders being the team stop them.

[A]

This is one of those games where it's impossible because every. Every sign points to just take the points because the Broncos were. They played an overtime game Sunday night football. They have not been impressive on the road. They've need. You know, they've won games, close margin. But then on the other side, it's the Raiders and they're truly just horrific to watch.

[D]

Yeah, I've got a. This is the mild interesting stat of the week.

[A]

Oh, nice.

[D]

Do you know who has the most pass interference calls against them in the entire NFL? Mahomes. No, I mean like from cornerback.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

Defensively against them.

[A]

Yeah. Riley Moss.

[D]

Riley Moss is number one by far.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

He's got, I believe seven next closest Guy has four.

[A]

I can't. I can't say that I. That was like smart that I guess that I just was. Did the deductive reasoning of it's probably a Bronco. Yep. And it's not certain smart.

[D]

At first I saw that stat, I was like, is this reverse racism against Riley Moss? He's being targeted more for. For playing cornerback in the same neighborhoods. And they're like, that guy, he stands out. Like, if you're driving a red car down the street, you'll get pulled over for speeding more often.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But then I. I dug deeper.

[A]

Is that true?

[D]

That's what I've heard.

[A]

Okay. I. I'll believe it.

[D]

Do you know, because you have two red cars. It is.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. It's a great excuse, though. Like, that's why the red light camera.

[A]

It's not my fault.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's my.

[D]

This color. Do you know who has the least amount of past interferences?

[A]

Is that Patrick?

[D]

No, it's. It's actually Cooper De Jean. Oh. So my. So my thesis was immediately proved incorrect on that one.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

But mild. Interesting stat. Riley Moss. Most pastor Fearance calls. But as we've learned, that's. It's not always a bad thing if you're getting PIs because it means that you're close enough to touch the guy. Yeah.

[A]

Means maybe the refs suck. Yeah. Okay.

[D]

Bears, packers also shout out Alex Singleton. We didn't talk about him. Had had a ball removed, I think.

[A]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. He had testicular cancer.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

They thought that he tested positive for steroids. Oh, that's testosterone spiked. But he actually, it was because he had testicular cancer. Eagle for life.

[D]

So he had surgery, came back, what, like four weeks later.

[A]

That's crazy.

[D]

And then actually had the second most important hand on his ball of his career when he broke up that pass to Zach Ertz.

[A]

Yeah. That's crazy. What a. I mean, what a beast.

[D]

Baller.

[A]

Yeah, baller. Singular. Okay. Bears and Packers. Packers minus six and a half over under 44 and a half.

Do you guys have any thoughts in this game?

[D]

Can't wait.

[A]

I'm excited for this game.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Very excited.

[D]

This is. This is a big one. Are you scared? That's my question. All right, so, like, I know that.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I know your thoughts about the Bears. I know where you sit on them. You believe in. In Ben Johnson. You believe in the direction the team's going. Are you scared?

[A]

Okay, so I've done something here where I'm going to pour some cold water on myself for my excitement for the Bears. And then I'll tell you my answer, but I'm just gonna give you some stats first.

[D]

Okay?

[A]

So these are just. I, I basically like last night I was, I was, I was getting ready for the show and I was like, I'm gonna scare myself as much as possible. And it's not hard to scare yourself. When you look up Bears and Packers stats, this is pretty much the first time that both teams have been good at the same time. And that's the Bears fault more than anything. Obviously the 2018 year when the Bears were good, the packers were not, but it's the first time that they're both good in like 15 years. So here are the scare here, the scare me stats in December. Matt LaFleur coach teams have been dominant. They're 20 and four straight up and 1310 against the spread. So he's. Matt Lafor becomes a really good coach down the stretch. Jordan loved Toyota Thon. They all talk, all packers fans. When Toyota Thon starts, Jordan Love gets really, really good. So in the first 10 weeks of the season, Love and the packers are 12, 13 and one straight up. From week 11 on, he's 15 and seven as a quarterback. And then here's the one that's really scary. The Bears, obviously. I've talked about it at length. The live and die on the takeaways, they are plus 17 through 12 games, the best mark in the NFL by eight turnovers. So the Bears have 1817 interceptions, the most in the league. And they're plus 17 on turnovers, the only team since 2000 with 17 plus interceptions and plus 17 turnover margin through 12 games. They've been very boom or bust. Five out of six have lost their first playoff game. The six were the 2007 Patriots, who obviously had a very good team overall. This is all the cold water. I think the Bears can win this game. So I'm not scared.

[D]

You're not scared.

[A]

I'm not scared. And I'm also going into this game thinking in a very reasonable fashion, maybe it's I'm getting older. I went to sleep at 8:30 last night. I was just tired.

[D]

That's excellent. Well, when it's 4:30, it feels like it's 9.

[A]

Yeah, it was just 8:30 came around and the Badgers were playing Northwestern and they were up by 25.8minutes in the game and I was like, you know what? I'm going to pull the plug. I'm going to bed. So maybe I'm just getting old, but I've had a calmness and maybe it's Ben Johnson. The Bears play the packers in two weeks. We got to split them. So I'm going into this game, I actually think the Bears can win and if they lose, I'm not going to freak out.

[D]

What if they kick the out of you?

[A]

Not gonna freak out.

[B]

They need to split them. Would you rather win game one, lose game two or lose game one, win game two?

[D]

Good question.

[C]

Defend home. Defend home fields.

[A]

Although there is a part of me.

Packers fans will deny this, the pressure's on the Packers. They are, they're the all in team with Micah Parsons trade.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like they traded draft capital. They, they were supposed to be one of the best teams in the league. They have started to look like that. The Bears are a quintessential like year early type of team right now where it's been so much fun. But I don't think anyone expected them to be in the beginning of December sitting at the one seed.

[D]

Yeah, I think that the Packers. It's also smart for you to say that you'd rather win the one at home because then if you lose this one then you're like it's all go. It's going according to plan. We just have to win at home. And plus that would be more leading into the playoffs. So you feel better about that. The packers on paper are a better team, but they haven't played that. There have only been a couple games this season where they put it all together and two of those are against the Lions where they've looked really, really good. So I don't hate the Bears to cover this weekend.

[A]

I mean we can run the ball. Devonte Wyatt being out for the packers is a very big deal in their run stopping. I just. Yeah. Jordan Love could look awesome. Jordan Love could do what he did last week against the Lions and that that will be a problem. But we have gotten healthier on the defense. Our secondary is a lot healthier. I think the Bears can win this game. I really do. I'm not going to bat. I'm not going to because I know that like if the packers win this game I can't then be like oh, I didn't think. No, I think the Bears can win.

[D]

This game all time. The The packers have 108 wins against the Bears. That's tied for the most in NFL history. Do you know who else is tied.

[A]

To for the most against the Bears? 1.

[D]

One franchise against another franchise.

I did not know.

[A]

This is jets hat hates that.

[D]

No, it's not. No, I don't hate the Jets. This is Actually it's a self hate stat.

[A]

Oh, it's Cowboys commanders.

[D]

No, it's the Giants and the commander. Oh yeah, the New York Giants.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

Pretty crazy.

[A]

I think the Bears can win this game. I do. It's gonna be hard. Packers are a very good team, but I think they can win this game. And I have, I have re shifted my folk. Like we have to make the playoffs. I said that we have to make the playoffs. If you don't make the playoffs, it's an utter disaster. But I also, I, I, I'm not pretending that I think that we're the, the best team in the nfc. I said it on, on Monday. I am at a point now where I am not scared of any team in the nfc, which is a great like mentality to have where it's like, I think the Bears can compete with every single team in the nfc.

[D]

Yeah, well, well put it this way. You guys just beat the shit out of the Eagles.

[A]

Oh, there's, oh, the goalposts have moved. By the way. The Eagles are now the worst team ever. And the worst offense ever is what, is what they're being called.

[D]

Well, it's crazy.

[C]

Well, the worst offense ever. Yeah, that, that one is fair.

[A]

But their defense was thought of as one of the best defenses in the league.

[D]

So transitive property. You beat the Eagles, Eagles beat the Packers.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Ten to seven.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In Lambeau.

[D]

In Lambo.

[A]

In Lambo. So I'm excited for this game. Now there's one thing that making me a little nervous is remember Ben Johnson? Maybe the only mistake. I don't even want to say it's a mistake because we don't know what's going to happen on Sunday. But he did take that shot at Matt LaFleur in his, in his opening press conference. He started a fight and they don't know each other.

[D]

He started a fight.

[A]

And Matt Laflore is a very good coach. And I'm a little nervous about that. Where Matt Ford's like, I don't, I don't fucking forget that.

[D]

I would say two things. People who rarely make mistakes when, when presenting themselves in open to the media. You had Ben Johnson just start a fight with a guy and then you had Dan Katz say, it's Matt LaFleur, you're a pussy.

[A]

Yep. That was by accident.

[D]

You did call him a pussy.

[A]

That was by accident.

[D]

But you called the man a pussy.

[A]

I did, but that was, I wanted to say on the record that was by accident because I like we were lucky enough on this show to get to Know different people in the sports world. And we know Matt Leflore well enough, and I've talked to him enough and, you know, had a beer with him and felt comfortable enough calling him a pussy. Afterwards. I was like, that was kind of crazy that you called the NFL head coach a pussy.

[D]

Do you think that he's thought about you calling him a.

[A]

Probably not knowing him.

[D]

Do you think that. Do you think that after the game, if the packers win, he will then think or be reminded about, I don't.

[C]

Know, I should call you a pussy?

[A]

I did. I think I did apologize to him.

[C]

I think you did. Like, on the spot.

[A]

Yeah, I think I did. I mean, that was a crazy.

[D]

It was a heat check moment. The next show. The next show there was an apology.

[A]

It was a heat check.

[D]

It'd be real shame if John Coon was listening to this podcast like he does from time to time and let Matt Lafleur know about Pussygate.

[A]

Well, no, he does, though, because I called him it to his face.

[D]

Yeah, but just remind him. Yeah, that'd be very funny if he. If he addressed it.

[A]

Oh, man.

See, I just. I'm excited for this game because I'm not going in being like, we have to win. We just have to like the Bears just one game at a time. Let's fucking be.

[D]

You might be right. You might be right. Because the Bears didn't need to vote to ban the Tush push or start a petition to ban the Tush push to defeat it. You figured out just coming through the side door.

[A]

Figured it out. Yeah. Nayshaan Wright. Okay. Rams, Cardinals. Rams rise seven and a half over under 40. Eight and a half. Similar to Matt LaFleur, Sean McVeigh in December is very good at coaching football. He's 26 and 11 straight up in the month of December, winning eight in a row outright entering this year. I do like the Rams in this game because I just feel like that was a bad. Everything went bad type of game last week in Carolina. You'll get the best effort.

[D]

Yeah, I think that if there's a guy that can go get over a loss, it's probably Matt Stafford. He's had some experience with that losses, like, you know, he. He dealt with enough when he was in Detroit where, like, one bad game isn't going to him up. I think I didn't see anything from Matt Stafford last week that made me think, is there something wrong? Yeah, like, I didn't think, is the back hurting again for Matt Stafford? I just thought, bad game for Matt Stafford. It Happens.

[A]

There is a Matt Stafford stat that's out there that we're on watch now. And it's actually like it's a bad stat, but it's actually, if you think about it long enough, it's a good stat. Matthew Stafford is second all time most pick sixes. He's behind Brett Favre. Matthew 7 has 31, Brett Favre has 32. And you're like, oh, that's a bad stat. Then you realize if you're, if you throw 31 pick sixes, that means you're very, very good because you played long enough that it didn't actually matter, that.

[D]

A pick six doesn't define you.

[A]

Yeah, like worse is like a guy who threw eight pick sixes and played for two years.

[D]

Like the, the Matt Schaub years.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

There's a reason why I didn't stick around as a starter.

[A]

Yeah, it's actually kind of a compliment stat that like you. The rest of your game is so good that 31 pick sixes are completely irrelevant.

[D]

So this is, this is a great time for this game because Stafford is 14 and three against the Cardinals since he's been in. No. Since 2017. So the Rams as a whole, okay, 14 and three against the Arizona Cardinals since 2017. So they own them. They own them. And I think that, you know, Jacoby Brissette could probably end up throwing for like 60 passes, 60 pass attempts in this game because that's, that's their game plan. Just like let, let Jacoby go out there and have fun.

[A]

Since week six, Jacoby Brissette leads the NFL in completions, passing yards, first down passing, 300 yard games. Ooh, four of them. Wow, that's a lot.

[D]

Pretty good.

[A]

And yeah, he's been throwing it everywhere because.

[D]

Do you think that, do you think that Drake may could become the first MVP to not have a 300 yard game?

[A]

Wait, is that true that. No.

[D]

Has there ever been an MP in the modern era? In the modern era that I'm arbitrarily defining as post Terry Bradshaw?

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

The modern era of football.

[A]

Was he good 14 Super Bowls?

[D]

Yeah, pretty good.

[A]

I think if you look at Terry Bradshaw's stats, he probably sucked in the era. In the. In compared to today.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Actually look up Terry Bradshaw stats. They're probably hilarious.

[D]

That I don't think it's like Joe Namath.

[A]

No, it's not Joe Namath, but it definitely is not. What's the most touchdowns Terry Bradshaw threw for in a year? What do you guys think?

[D]

I'm going to guess 30. I think he. I think Terry aired it out 28.

[A]

I mean, that's funny though.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

To think about where we're at. What his. So his best year was 28. He threw 20 interceptions that year. He. His best year passing was 3700 yards.

[C]

These are 182 yards per game that year.

[D]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah. The NFL used to be very, very different. Yeah. 21.

[C]

MVP.

[A]

He won MVP.

[D]

That's why I said in the post Terry Bradshaw area.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[D]

I actually looked that stat up.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that Terry Bradshaw, very funny stat. I mean. Yeah, the.

[B]

How much time a week do you.

[D]

Think you think about this week was. Was an outlier this week? I'd say probably 20 hours. Yeah.

[A]

No naps.

[D]

No naps. That's what I'm doing.

It's just interesting. Hank. 20 hours. Well, we can't talk about stats on this show anymore.

[A]

No stats show. We're an analytically driven podcast.

[B]

I got some stats.

[A]

Oh, you have more.

[D]

Are you making up another acronym?

[B]

Drake Maze on pace to be the fourth quarterback to lead the NFL in QB win percentage, completion percentage, pass yards and pass rating in a season. He would be the first to do so before turning 30.

[D]

QB win percentage.

[A]

He's 23.

[D]

What's. What's their opponent's QB win percentage?

[B]

That's not the stat I read.

[D]

That's the way I do QB win percentage.

[B]

Plus, Drake May is the only player in the NFL with 200 plus passing yards in every game this season. Monday marked May's 10th straight game with an 80 plus pass rating and a win, tying with hall of Famer Dan Marino in 1984 for longest such streak for a player prior turning to turning 24 since at least 1950.

[D]

How much time have you spent this week looking into Drake Maestats? He's a good quarter.

[B]

I have a great. Thankfully for me, I have a great stats department.

[D]

You don't have to impress us.

[B]

So I don't even have to spend that much time.

[D]

We all agree that he's out to gas. A great quarterback.

[B]

Cardi B Enthusiast.

[A]

Yeah. Points per drive. Defensively. How many top half of the league defenses has Drake made face play who you play?

[D]

I don't know the answer to that. 2. Okay. Who are they?

[A]

The Bills are 15th when the Browns are fifth.

[D]

When.

You beat the Browns smoked him.

[A]

That actually was a. I mean, the Bills win. That's the thing is Drake Mays had two games, the Bills and the Bucks, where it's. He's answered it. You can't really say anything.

[C]

Are the Bills and the Bucks good?

[D]

It'd be a real shame, I think.

[A]

The Bills in Buffalo, that's. I mean, both games on the road.

[D]

It'd be a real shame if they, they Both somehow finished under.500 this year.

[A]

That's what PFT's rooting for.

[D]

I don't give a.

[B]

We're gonna be in the playoffs.

[D]

It'd be a real shame.

[B]

And then we'll show.

[A]

And then you show.

[B]

Wake me up when the playoffs start.

[D]

20 hours, no naps.

[A]

Hank aft is gonna wake me up when the draft starts.

[D]

You just said you're gonna take a nap for the rest of the month.

[B]

Hibernation.

[A]

Yeah.

Okay. Sunday Night Football. The Houston Texans at the Kansas City Chiefs. Guys, I gotta be honest. So The Chiefs are 3 1/2 point favorites. The Overrunners 401 1/2. I gotta be honest, I'm getting a little nervous about my pinky. I. Everyone's kind of shitty, and the Texans might be the best singular unit of any team in the afc.

[D]

Yeah, I'd say their defense, the Browns defense, but.

[A]

But that doesn't matter.

[D]

It's hard to tell yet. The Texas defense is incredible. I like the Texans in this game.

[A]

Like, do the Texans scare you, Hank? Yeah. Yeah, like their defense is scared.

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[D]

Counterpoint. Andy Reid's gonna tickle your tonsils.

[A]

Yeah, that was weird.

[D]

I'm gonna tickle your tonsils.

[A]

Is he gonna throat us?

[D]

I thought may I've listened to Taylor Swift album. I thought he was talking about Travis Kelsey.

[A]

Ah, okay. Yeah, that was a weird.

[D]

A lot of Travis Davis Mills would actually be the best defense against.

[E]

That's true.

[D]

Getting your tonsils tickled.

[A]

I like the Texans plus three and a half in this game as well. Yeah, I, so I, I, I am at the point where the Chiefs are.

Still scary, but they're, they're living off a reputation that might not be there this year.

[D]

Well, you know what's crazy is, is last season when the Chiefs were beating everybody, winning all these close games, through 12 weeks, they were 11 and 1. They had a point differential of only 59. This year, their point differentials actually increased.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[D]

Plus 73 point differential. I don't know. I don't know that that means that the Chiefs are a better team this year than they were last year. I don't think that they are. But it's interesting that given what we see on the field and like the bad vibes, it's actually better. Yeah, it was last year in some. In Some circumstances. But I think that the Texans are just driven right now for some reason. They've just been, I don't know if you got to give all the credit I guess to d'. Amico. Ryan's. Yeah, he's done a great job especially with the defense. And the Chiefs, they feel like this is almost. Are they panicking?

[A]

I, if they lose this game, I think it's, it's going to be very hard for them to make the playoffs. I do think, you know, winning this game and I went through that the whole like the Colts have a very tough schedule coming up. This is, this is an elimination game pretty much for the Chiefs today.

[D]

One sided playoff game.

[A]

Yeah. Because the Texans will still have a shot to win the division and then get in that way. But the Chiefs, they can't like unless the Chargers also fall off the face of the earth. And they do play the Chargers but remember they're, they're, they have three. The reason why I still think the Chiefs can make the playoffs is they have three games that are hard and they're all at home. They've been good at home. They play the Texans, the Chargers and the Broncos at home. Then they have two games on the road where they've been bad. Titans and Raiders. Those should be wins. So really the chief season kind of comes down to three game schedule at home.

[D]

Yeah. I'm looking up the.

[A]

Yeah, Patrick Mahomes does own the Texans. I think he hasn't lost them since 2019.

[D]

I'm looking up the weather right now for Sunday in Kansas City. Do we know what that's going to be?

[A]

No. Okay.

[D]

Because I could if I'm doing the visual visualization thing where I just picture the game being played. If I see like, like if I see steam coming out of every player's mouth that feels like it's a Chief's win. That's true. That's true. Okay, Sunday it's going to be low of 20, high of 30. It's going to be cold. Where it's going to be a Steam game.

[A]

I am getting so nervous about my pinky. I did do some research on if Tank Dell can come back this year. I don't think he can but that's where I'm at. Where I was googling Tank Dell injury updates. Yeah, not good. Listen, got it wrong.

[D]

I'm second guessing myself now. I'm thinking, I'm thinking about, I'm just.

[A]

Envisioning Chiefs also have a banged up offensive line.

[D]

They do. They got two guys that.

[A]

But on the flip side. The biggest I actually think if you want to point to the biggest issue for the Chiefs this year is their defense has not been able to get a pass rush. They have the worst fourth quarter defense in the league. The Texans don't have a great offensive line so maybe they get that fixed a little bit in this game and can get the stops they need to get.

[D]

So also when they, when they blitz, they're not getting sacks.

[A]

So that's. Yeah, I mean they're not the same Chiefs right now.

[D]

They're just not.

[A]

I'm excited for this game though. It's going to be a fun one to watch. Let's do our TD parlay and then we will do Jerry o' Connell's fantasy minute which I sent you Max in email and then we'll do our picks DraftKings football season just got even better. Barstool is bringing you the Game of the Week every single week through the end of the regular season. Here's the deal. Every Friday we'll announce a Game of the Week from the Sunday slated games. When the Game of the Week drops, all you have to do is share a bet slip on that game with the hashtag Barstool GotW through X or email and you'll be entered for a shot to win one of five $1,000 bonus bets. That's right, five lucky winners every single week of the season. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use code TAKE to get in on the action today. Don't miss the Barstool Game of the Week and you're shot at a thousand dollar bonus bet. Share your bet slip and enter today in partnership with DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 877-8-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 in Connecticut.

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Touchdown Parlay we have to win. This is the one. We have to win. Where are you going?

[B]

Kareem Hunt.

[A]

Kareem Hunt.

Should we just. Can you guys hear me out? Should we just. Should we put devonte Adams in there?

[C]

Also, Hank and I should both apologize for last week. That was done by both of us.

[E]

What?

[C]

Hank picked J.K. dobbins, who's out for the year. And then I went in and did an editor's note for the YouTube and picked cream Han, who played on Thanksgiving. But then I did an editor's note for the audio. Pug had already posted the video, so I posted the audio, and that's where we got lad. So lad was. Lad was right. So I don't do 100% sorry.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

But Hank and I both don't.

[D]

Not 100% sorry confirmed.

[C]

I'm, like, 85% sorry, because I did give. I did give a winner eventually.

[A]

Okay, so should we do you.

[D]

What?

[A]

Do we want to put devonte in there or no? Is that stupid?

[D]

Yeah, let's do him. I've got a plus money one.

[A]

Okay. So Devonte Adams. I mean, I can also do Trey McBride.

[D]

Devonte feels safe.

[A]

Yeah. This is where we screw ourselves. Where now it feels like Devonte is not going to score, and then Trey McBride will. But let's do Devonte. And then you have who? Kareem Hunt. And then PFT.

[D]

Troy Franklin Broncos. Ooh, I love that.

[A]

Okay. All right. Yeah. With Troy Franklin in there, let's do. Let's do devonte.

[B]

Thirteen to one.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Let's go, boys. Let's watch Jerry's fantasy minute, and then we'll do our picks, and then we'll get to Stanford.

[C]

Steve, my first guess for this is that there's going to be music playing.

[A]

Okay. Yep, he's got it. He looks like he's at a bar with a bunch of people.

[D]

What's up?

[C]

We're at the Black Rose.

[A]

We're at the Black Rose. Boston. All right. Start the music beam.

[D]

Start the music at the Black Rose.

[A]

Say hi, everybody. All right, we only got one minute. Okay, we're gonna start Lane Kippen's be.

[E]

Dog because he's a real dog.

[A]

Way to go, Lane Kippen. We're gonna sit pft for not donating enough to JMU to find a head coach. You keep getting it. You want to.

[D]

Y thr 300.

[A]

We're going to start Mormons for being able to sway coaches. They're very good at keeping coaches at byu. And we're going to sit. Zach, we're talking about this cold weather. How's this cold weather treating you?

[D]

Amazing.

[A]

Any words, any advice?

[E]

You want to give Hank and make.

[A]

Your search for love with.

Pair of bows. Hank.

Also call up 1-800-throw-300 yards. Drake man. Credit to Jerry. He finds a different background every week and just. It's insane.

[D]

A different group of boys.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

He's good at this.

[B]

He loves boys.

[D]

He does.

[A]

Oh, he does. He loves boys.

[D]

Gary o'. Connell.

[A]

Let's do our picks. What's the standings at? We still don't have a punishment. We need to think of one before the season gets.

[C]

We said. We said this like two months.

[A]

Send us ideas for punishment.

[C]

Yeah, send us ideas.

[D]

What about. I was actually just talking about this the other day with Nick.

One of us has to model nude for a group of artists. You can cross your legs, you know. You know, you don't have to.

[A]

I don't know about that.

[D]

Show off the bits and pieces.

[A]

I don't like that.

[C]

All right, we'll find something big.

[B]

Cat has 16 max and I have 14. PFT is 12 and a half. Memes is 12. Zach has 10 and a half.

[A]

Okay, who's up first? That'd be me.

[C]

Zach's got. Zach's got to get going.

[A]

Zach, you gotta get going. Otherwise you'd be modeling nude, Buddy. Let's do so many other punishments before we get naked.

[D]

I mean, not for us. For a group of professional artists.

[C]

I still think outdoor boys video would be.

[A]

Zach, you got dick piercing? No, but as long as we get to keep our clothes on, I'm okay. I'll go over Bengals bills 53 and a half.

[B]

Fun.

[C]

Okay, I am going to take the over in Rams, Cardinals and that number is 47 and a half.

[A]

Okay. I would like to take in the Falcon Seahawks game. The Seahawks minus seven. Okay. Wait, is that the line?

[B]

Yep.

[D]

Okay, I would like to take the Pittsburgh Steelers plus six.

[A]

Okay. I'll take the Texans plus three and a half.

[B]

I will take the Washington Commanders plus two and a half. And then I would like to take.

The over in The Titans Browns 33 and a half.

[A]

You dog. You dog.

I'm going to take the over 40 and a half in the Eagles Chargers. For some reason, I believe Nick Sirianni, he says big changes coming. Drastic, drastic changes. I believe it. I don't know why. I just believe it. Max, drastic changes coming.

[D]

I'm going to take the under and The Titans Browns 33 and a half.

[A]

Oh, head to head to head.

Zach, I would like to take the over in the Steelers Ravens game at 42 and a half. Yuck.

[C]

I'm also going to Go head to head against Hank. We're going with nine minus two and a half.

[D]

I believe in nine he's going to go off.

[C]

Yup. That's a nine game.

[A]

I'm going to go Birds minus three. But did you think about Shane being there? They're going to kick the out of them but Shane's going to be there.

[C]

We don't know that that's true.

[A]

We don't know that Shane might not be there because Justin Herbert might not be gonna be a royal ass kicking. Wow. Okay, let's get to our interview with Stanford Steve.

[D]

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Terms. And now here's Stanford Steve.

[A]

Okay. We now welcome on a very very, very, very special guest. He's our number one dude. It is Stanford Steve. You can see him on game day. You can hear him on the SVP pod. Bad beats everywhere. Steve, good to talk to you. Let's start with you being declared our number one dude on this show. Did you hear us declare that? Because you are, you're our number one dude.

[E]

I've heard a couple mentions but was this committee based? I, I, you know a lot of talk about committees nowadays. I just want to know if it was a committee or. Yeah, you two at the desk.

[D]

Well, we are the committee, but also if, if you're mad at us, we can just be like, it's the committee's decision.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Even though it's the two of us. You were number one though. Your strength of schedule was the difference maker.

[A]

Strong data points. I actually reminisce. I, I said one of your strongest data points was the time we went to my buddy's bar in Wrigleyville when you had a four flight after the game and you brought your bag, you put it behind the bar and then we sat down and I think you had had three beers by the time I finished my first. And I was just like, what just happened? That was a strong data point.

[E]

Yeah, well, that was atmosphere driven because Wrigley's an all time venue and your adrenaline just raises as soon as you have anything to do with it. If you're in Riggyville, if you're walking into the stadium, or if you're walking out of the stadium, that is an all timer. So I'm, I'm happy to be there, but that is, that's like my ultimate venue.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like Wrigley, you know, when you get it, there is a pace you have to keep up and it's been too long and I need to get back there. But that's like there's not a better venue to have intake of beers than.

[A]

Regular, you know, summertime, Friday afternoon. First pitch.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[D]

I want to hear your Mount Rushmore. I want to hear Mount Rushmore of venues to have beers at that you get excited for.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Wrigley, lsu.

Oh, man. Just because there's a mass of them. I hate to sound like a homer, but Wando's, Camp Randall's up there.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out, Wando.

Oh, man.

[E]

I'll tell you what's a new one, new seed. Because that energy of that place and I'm. I know you're a Texas history buff. Bft Lubbock, Texas brings you to a level that people, people don't know the level they could go to unless they go to Lubbock, Texas.

[D]

You feel, you feel like you're in the middle of nowhere. Like there's no law around. A little Wild West. It used to be a dry town, so it felt like you were breaking the law.

[E]

Correct. But then you see everybody's on the verge of breaking the law. So it's like, yeah, let's jump in and be close to breaking the law.

[D]

I might get hit with a tortilla later, I might not ever get a chance to drink a beer.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

I would put Lubbock there as a new one.

Trying to just try. This is. This is really hard. Scottsdale anywhere.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Because of temperature and you don't care about hydration. You're going to be dehydrated in the morning.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

The worst is anywhere in Colorado because that hangover deal is real. And I'm not a. I'm not a gummy intake of that stuff. And, And I know plenty of people are out there, and I don't know if that helps you. I might see about it. But the dehydration hangover acts in your head the next morning in, like, Boulder, in Denver. That thing is real.

[D]

You know what? So I think that improves your dude power rankings, too. The fact that you're not a gummy guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, you. You know that some people enjoy marijuana. You're like, I don't know. It's kind of Mickey Mouse.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Just.

[E]

I don't need my mind altered. I. I know what the plan is. I know what the game plan is. And yeah, we. We go about it that way.

[D]

We take our hangovers like men.

[A]

I don't even remind. Altered. Okay. So that was also very, like, college football. You've been hanging out with Saban too much. Like, I'm not one of these gummy. Whatever. The kids are getting into things.

[C]

Do it.

[D]

I don't.

[E]

I don't do it. Like, I, I said this the other day on Scott, and I spot, like, the amount, like, we go to Norman, Oklahoma, or like Eugene, Oregon. The amount of dispensaries.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, oh, my God. Like, how many different versions are like, I love fast food more than anybody, and I know, you know, I don't want to, you know, sponsorships and stuff, but, like, everybody has their, Their, Their, their liking. And then you want. You're in the mood for something, but the dispensary thing is out of control. It's.

[B]

It's.

[E]

It's mayhem out there. It is all the people that are, you know, it's great jobs for people. So good.

[A]

Yeah. That's facts. All right, we want to talk both college ball and NFL. Let's start with college ball real quick. The committee's bullshit. Do you agree?

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Because this whole. And we were talking about the other night, the entire Miami, Notre Dame thing is silly. They should have just put Miami above Notre Dame this past week. They didn't. They're going to maybe sneak them in. What? How do you think that's going to play out in terms of who gets in, who doesn't with what we see on Saturday?

[E]

Well, I think you have a situation where neither team is playing. Right. And they had one last window to make the move. And this idea of because there, there is a team on the line in between them that they can't compare them and make head to head a factor I can't get over. And, and when you look like people want to do the metrics. Okay.

[C]

And it's.

[E]

I believe Notre Dame is once or Miami is one spot lower in game control and strength of record in two spots lower in strength of schedule than Notre Dame. Okay. And people will say we want the best teams and who's the better team. I'm like, well, I think they're that close. So is there anything else we could look at? Oh yeah, they played.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay, who won? Miami. Gimme Miami. Yeah, I think that's, I think there's still like when we went to four, it was just about the best teams. Give me the best teams. And that's when, you know, we started getting, you know, people's feelings about conferences and, and this, all these other prerequisites that people sort of had or what have your criteria. And that has carried over to the 12 which people look at Notre Dame in a winning streak where they haven't really played the best teams. I mean their best win is, is usc. So I look at what matters on the field. They, we have a data point where they actually played. Miami led the whole game. Yeah, they won. I don't understand. And the biggest problem of all this, guys, is when the first rankings came out, Miami was at 18 because they had lost two of the last three weeks. And I really wonder if we'll continue to see the release of these rankings on a week to week basis. Because I like March Madness. Yeah, everybody's mad until that first Thursday, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Or even Tuesday when the playing game.

[A]

Yeah, you don't even play.

[E]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's almost like, all right, let's minimize the criticism and shorten into a window and maybe we move the games up. So the committee is out of sight, out of mind, quicker than usual.

[A]

It's actually less than that because, and I agree with you, they need to just not have these rankings until the very end. March Madness, you get maybe like, like 30 minutes of J. Billis being like, well this team should have been in. And then we're filling out our brackets like it's. It. We really don't care after the bracket is set, other than the fan base. But yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous. The whole thing that they can't compare them unless they're net back to back. And also they're the ones who decide whether they're not back to back or not. BYU's getting kind of screwed. Alabama going up. When they said the first half thing that was so ridiculous. In your heart of hearts, who do you think is in. In this grouping of. Let's call it Alabama through Miami.

[E]

Alabama.

[A]

Alabama's in.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And what do you think happens if byu?

[E]

What do I think they're going to do?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. For the rest of it.

[E]

Notre Dame.

[A]

Okay. You do?

[D]

Because.

[E]

Yeah. I said if they were going to move Miami ahead of Notre Dame, they would have did it the week where they last played in Miami and Notre Dame both played last week. I don't think they're going to mess with it.

Now with them not playing it being. It's going to be, what, 15 days since they played. I don't see them move.

[A]

And actually the only thing that can, the only thing that can happen this championship Saturday, if you're, if you're not going, if you're just basing on, on the field who's playing is Notre Dame's resume could get better because Boise could win the Mountain West.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the only thing that could actually happen is like that's the only opponent that's playing.

[E]

But if BYU loses, then that line between.

[D]

Right. And that's the thing is where it's.

[E]

A tier that they could compare them now, which they haven't for six weeks, which I, I just, I don't understand.

[D]

The head of the committee, Hunter. Your check. He's. He's also giving interviews after they're done doing the yank. The ranking shows that. I don't understand. I, I don't know why he has to go on television and try to do the six, seven thing and, and make jokes and, and then like try to be on the spot explaining his logic of why he put the teams in that he wanted to put in. Because there's going to be inherent. There's gonna be contradictions no matter what. And so he's putting himself out there to get grilled. He's not doing a very good job of handling it. But he did say that number one teams can move that are not ranked currently in the top 12. You might see one or two of those jump in. He did also say that if you look at two teams that are ranked next to each Other head to head becomes an important factor. So he said that they might look at it that way. And I, I think sometimes as humans, we're so. We can be so dumb, at least in his case, that when you see the two names next to each other, it becomes harder to put Notre Dame and over Miami when they're right behind him with the same record and they beat him head to head.

[E]

Yeah, I, I, now I will go say this. The job that Hunter Jurecheck has right. Is impossible because go back a couple years when Florida State got left out. Boo Kerrigan, who was the NC State ad, was the spokesperson. He's an ACC athletic director, and he probably didn't agree that Florida State should be left out, but he had to go out there and talk because he was representing the room. So you have a person who is defending something they totally don't believe in.

[D]

Yep.

[E]

In front of America. And to your point, they do the call. You know, he goes on the show at Reese, then he does a conference call after that, which is just. I mean, if you ever want to entertainment go on that day, because it is hell's bells, man like you people coming off the rafters in that one. So I, it's, it's an impossible situation. And just going back to that, is it really worth. Worth it? Yeah, you know, I think now what do we get the last week or first week of February or second week of February? The basketball committee comes out with. These would be the top four seeds in each region. And then they. Then it's selection Sunday.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

So as much as this creates content and people talk about it and your water cooler stuff, I don't know if any. Everybody has their own water bottle now.

[D]

We have an ice cream machine.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I heard about, by the way, a tremendous rant on, on the pod about the amount of water bottles in your house. It's crazy. I don't think people who don't have kids realize that that's just what you do now is you send your kid with a water bottle to school every day, which is not something we did as children. And I have a hundred water bottles in my house. It's fucking insane. Yeah. Stickers on all of them. Minnie Mouse, Paw Patrol, everything. All right. But go back to what you're saying.

[E]

Sorry, I forget. Because that really gets me distracted.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[E]

I'm out of the house. So I try not to think about it. They have a.

[A]

Whatever.

[E]

I'm in the house. That's all I.

[A]

You're talking about the fact that they don't. They don't release it. Yeah, yeah. You know, until. Till right before, which is smart. You're right. You're absolutely right. So, last question I have about college football. Give me your teams that can win a national title that are going to be in there. Oh.

[E]

I think it's more than. More than we've had.

[A]

Okay, listen.

[E]

I mean, let's see. Let's go down the old rankings.

[A]

And also side question is, is it in your mind Ohio State versus the field?

[E]

I. I don't believe so.

I don't think Oklahoma can win a national championship. I probably will have them, though, in the first playoff game because everyone in the world will have the other side. Yeah, I. I believe they all can. I really do. Texas Tech is a yes for me because of that defense. Now, the one factor to me with Texas Tech is the offensive line. You are not seeing premier defensive line play in the Big 12. And that's not Texas Tech's fault at all. They are playing teams who are on their schedule. I get it. But I. I'm really interested in that matchup again, the rematch with BYU being there for the first game. BYU didn't play well, but they still got to the quarterback and they still forced Texas Tech to kick, what, five, four, five field goals on seven. Rit.

[A]

Hold on.

[E]

I got red. Seven red zone trips.

[A]

Look at you.

[E]

Was.

[A]

He's got the stats ready to go.

[D]

You got that written down like ink.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't even have a show today. Are you just doing this? You're just writing down notes?

[E]

Seven red zone possessions, two touchdowns, five field goals.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All right. So I. I am in the belief that Texas Tech can do it with that defense. Now they're going to be stretched where they haven't been stretched before, which always makes anyone uncomfortable, whether you're in the stretch room or you're on the football field. So I look at Texas Tech as being the team I feel like everyone still has the most questions about. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Because, you know, that we've seen. I mean, they have been dominant and, you know, credit to them. I did think A and M moved too far down. I don't think they should be behind Ole Miss. I didn't know if that was a sympathy move, but when we've seen a recency bias to losses by the committee going back to when Miami was put at 18 in the first one. And that's where I have a problem with A and M. I mean, everybody watched that game Friday night and what I thought was the best I've ever seen DKR as far as atmosphere goes. So I, I, I still think when you stack up A M's resume in, in those wins, I, I don't believe they should be behind Ole Miss.

[D]

What do you think about, about Sark and everybody in Austin that's, that's on their soapbox now? They've become terrorists is what they've become at this point. Because Sark was like, you, you want to leave us out, Watch what happens. Watch, watch what we'll do. Hope you're ready for us to schedule Rice. Get ready to watch rice versus Texas. Week one, 2028. Buddy, they're like, they're, they're trying to threaten America if they don't get in. Overlooking the fact obviously the Florida loss and then the two overtime losses that are the two overtime wins that in my book count as losses that they have to some bad schools do. Are you of the mindset that even though I feel like Texas could be a team that, that could beat a lot of these teams in the playoff, that the ship sailed, Buddy. You're out.

[E]

Yeah, I, yes, I don't, I don't think they have because again, that loss at Florida and I, I, again, I give you all the credit. I was at that game at Ohio State. I had no idea what to think of it when I was there talking to both people that were on the stabs of both teams. They're like, we are going to be a totally different team in a month from now. Because they both didn't want to throw really young players with no experience in that game because it was such a high stakes game. They were going to ride it out with guys that experience and they were going to make their adjustments after that. And Texas, you know, out, gains him, loses 14 7. And the arch drama plays out from that and Texas ultimately gets better, wins their next biggest game of the year at A M. But I don't see a path for them because of what's in front of them. But the other side is, what else is Sark supposed to do?

[D]

Yeah, you got a campaign. I understand.

[E]

You have, you have to, I mean, and, and you guys are in it. We're all in it. And we have to, to, you know, read it and listen to it at all. And that's part of the gig. That's what these weeks are leading up to. It. You are getting, I mean, look at what Vanderbilt's doing. They're trying to play an extra game. Like, where were they going to play that? Broadway.

[A]

I listen, I'LL say this. I wouldn't campaign for, like, yes. A bet that we had or like, trying to get a Heisman to the finish line. I wouldn't campaign at all about that, Steve.

[D]

Look at that.

[E]

Sorry about Kyle Schwaber.

[A]

Yeah, that was. Yeah, Steve was the one. Max, did you know that Steve was the one who was like, hey, bet Kyle Schwarber. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

90 to 1.

[D]

Steve, I want you to look at me. Do I look like a man that would openly campaign for my college to get into the College Football Playoff? Does that. Is that what you see when you look at me?

[A]

Come on, we're better than that.

[E]

I look at you being. I mean, you look so good in Duke Blue Devil.

[A]

Yeah, See, that's the one thing. That's the one thing that, that's the one data point. That's your loss to. That's your loss to, to, to Northern Illinois. The fact that you're part of the brotherhood and you're a Duke fan. I always, it always pisses me off.

[E]

Your biceps looking. I mean, the forearms.

[D]

People always talk about Carolina Blue Duke.

[E]

Even your neck. Your neck. I mean, you've been doing manual neck or just going to the neck machine. You get the old hammer neck machine out.

[D]

I've been eating a lot and that works out the neck muscles. Yeah.

[E]

Soup season?

[A]

No, we've started. We, we. We call our. Our Sunday Super Bowl Sundays here. Every Sunday. So it's nice. All right, so let's talk about Sunday. What's your favorite bet this Sunday?

[E]

Ooh, I like Jacksonville.

[A]

Yeah. Culture in trouble. Yeah.

[E]

I mean, I look at that. I mean, I watch. Very rarely am I able to sit down at one o' clock on Sunday and, you know, tune in for the Sunday one o' clock slate. And I also want to say thank you to the NFL for actually giving us watchable games.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

On Sunday at 1 o'.

[C]

Clock.

[E]

And last week it was Colts, Texans, and I'm not familiar, like, I didn't know they interview players before kickoff. And Evan Washburn gets Daniel Jones to come over and I'm like, his legs broken. And he's going to play like this defense is the best in the NFL at rushing the passer. And I was just amazed at that.

[A]

And I just.

[E]

When you When I think of Daniel Jones and everybody goes through his history and what he's been going back to Duke and the Giants and going to the playoffs with the Giants and being bad with the Giants, the guy is super mobile. And if he's not super mobile, I find that to be a problem because now that offsets all your misdirection in the run game with Jonathan Taylor. And I thought it was a factor last week. And then I look at them going to Jacksonville. The Colts have not had success going there. I think Jacksonville's a pretty underrated team because now Houston's catching all the steam. But Jacksonville's offense has been good, and I don't understand why they're an underdog. But that's, that's the, that's the way I look at that game. I, I really. I'll tell you this. At Monday Night Football, people ask me, what's the best game he went to? That Jacksonville Chiefs game.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Earlier this year, I was blown away at how good the atmosphere was. Like, they got this construction on the outside, so it's like you're literally walking underneath scaffoldings and ladders and all this, and you get in there and it's like, wow. It was a full circle moment in the NFL to see how much people hate the Chiefs.

[A]

Yeah, everybody.

[E]

Everybody in that area that night put on a Jackson jersey and rooted against the Chiefs. So to see what they. And I've. I mean, this has got to be 12 Chiefs games in the last couple years. Three years, like, on the road. It's a different animal and it's a real thing. And I appreciated that for, for Jacksonville and it was, it was an advantage. It was, it was tough environment to play in. And I think the Colts are up against it Sunday.

[D]

So. So this Sunday we've got the, the Chiefs and the Texans. You mentioned the Texans being a team that is catching a lot of steam. I'm high on the Texans right now. That defense is amazing. Feels like they're probably the best defense in the NFL right now. And that, to me, I, I'm gonna bet on. On the Houston Texans, but I also haven't heard anybody talking about why the Chiefs are a good bet at minus three. The three and a half seems. Seems weird to me. Right? Like, same deal.

[E]

Same deal as the Colts game?

[D]

Yeah, same, same.

[E]

Same deal. I don't know if that moved at the end, but I remember earlier in the week, when you look at it, you know, say on a Thursday, it was three and a half. I'm like this. I mean, if the Chiefs didn't win that, they're out, right? If they didn't win that game.

[D]

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

[E]

I mean, they would be. They'd be under.500. So. Yeah, I, I'm with you. This, this Houston steam seems very real, though. And then if they were to do that, like, if you really like them, get in now because they're going to be in Sunday night prime time against the Chiefs, and if they win that game, I mean, it's going to be out of control. Whereas they're not even in first place in their division. Right. Jags are still in first.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, the Jags and then Colts and then them. But they get to play the, they get to play the Colts twice, I believe. So they, they kind of control their own destiny. Or maybe it's the Jags played the Colts twice. Either way, Houston. That's what it is.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Houston feels they're my pinky team. I'm a little nervous. I'm starting to get nervous. Their defense is for real and it's, it's like, man, they, they beat the fuck. What they did to Josh Allen a couple weeks ago was like, oh, man. What in terms of the NFL, though, overall, because we've been saying this, it doesn't it feel like a year where, and maybe it's because there's some teams that are over, you know, expectations. The Bears, the Broncos, the Patriots. There's a couple of teams at Seahawks, but it feels like no one's great. There's just a lot of really good teams. Is that fair?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I've been in the belief since the Bills beat or the Patriots beat the Bills early on, and looking at the Patriots schedule at the home field was going to go through New England. I firmly believe that because of the schedule and seeing them in person Monday night, it's, I saw a bunch of people talking about this, the Niners being a scary team. I don't think they're scary. You just know what you're going to have to do in order to beat the Niners. What's scary is how easy Drake May makes things look. Look, to me, I mean, he is supernatural. I thought Rabel was great in the post game, talking about how he had a meeting with his wide receiver room and he talked about being unselfish. We don't know who's going to get the balls that he's going to throw, but make plays when the opportunity comes. And they've really established a different identity where you would go to New England and it would just be all right, here they come and there's an excitement.

[A]

There's there.

[E]

This team has a lot of fun. I, I, the only thing that I question about them now is not having a left tackle, because one, you know, you mentioned Houston, Jacksonville's another team that Comes to mind these teams that could rush the passer, you're gonna, you're gonna be up against it. And now when you're on this win streak.

The thing about the NFL that I find amazing is you have every single person on a coaching. Like the coaching staffs in the NFL are so far advanced, and every week you get further with a win streak, you have more and more guys trying to pick you apart. All right, we're going to go at this and, and at some point you're going to get something exposed. You have the best of the best going at what you do. And, you know, is a, is a loss good for them? I. I don't know. But. But they have the mojo going and there's serious belief and we know the success rate that, that place in that stadium when it comes to the playoffs. So they are, they are. I. When it, you know, we asked the question, Denver or New England, I feel like New England is more solidified and I would lean towards them getting home field.

[A]

Hit him with the stat.

[D]

Steve, I don't know if you're familiar with this. I don't know if you watch the post game on Monday night after the Patriots won, but Lisa Salters asked Drake May this question. What's up with you not getting 300 yards yet?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What's up with that, Drake?

So my question to you is, what's up with that, Steve?

[E]

He doesn't care.

[D]

Yeah, I'd like my quarterback to care.

[E]

Oh, all right.

[A]

It's. It's a great. It's a great subplot on pmt because Drake May has been playing incredible in pft. Well, he's been doing a good job with new stuff every week. I'm not.

[D]

If you have a moment, I just like to read you some names of quarterbacks who have thrown for 300 yards in the game.

[E]

Will Levis Dan is saved or you're just off the top of your head.

[A]

Yeah, it's off the top of his head.

[D]

Top of my head. Will Levis, Dan Orlovsky, John Skelton, Johnny Football, Deshaun kaiser, Desmond Ritter, JP Lossman, Chris Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow.

[A]

Okay, all 300.

[D]

All in the 300 Club. Just something to think about.

[E]

All right, I'll think about that. Yeah, that's a good point.

[D]

Thank you. I want to talk real quick about the Steelers because I feel like now more than ever, and we've had it bubble up a couple times in the last season, people being like, is this now time for the mutual divorce? Everyone's predicting Like a mutual parting of ways with Mike Tomlin and. And the Steelers this year, it feels like there's actually some. Some push behind it. Like, it feels like this might be the year if it's going to happen, that they might break up. Number one, do you think that they. It's time to. To move on from Mike Tomlin and Mike Tomlin from the Steelers? And then second part of that question, how quickly do you think Mike Tomlin would be hired by another team if the Steelers did let him go?

[E]

Well, Big Ben threw up Penn State, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

A great fit there or something. I wasn't sure. The wording, it's a. It's a fine line. I. I feel like with Pittsburgh, knowing how passionate is. But to hear Sunday, that's something I've never seen in my life. I'm 48. Like, that was. That was eye openening and.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And pretty surprising to hear. And I thought John Bu, who works with us, had a tweet that I thought was really evident, and he said they're boring. They're. You know, they're not good and they're boring, but on the other side, they're playing for first place this week.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

So, like, you're like, is it. Is it doable to go to the playoffs as a division winner and then get rid of your coach? I don't know. It. It feels like the. The Big Ben ending. Like they weren't in it and then crazy happened. Right. And then they played a playoff game. Or was that the year before he retired? I forgot how. Like, that was just a. It was like, all right, this is the goodbye. Oh, wait, no, it's not. We have another game. Like, I forgot how that played out, but I. It's been so long, and I think people are.

[D]

Are.

[E]

Change is. Not everybody likes it. But when it. When it's been the same thing this long and you have that boring factor in where you have nothing to go to. You've always had an identity of a defense and playmakers, whether It's Palomalu and T.J. watt, all those great James Harrison, the teams that won the super bowl, or Big Ben throwing the ball to Heinz Ward and Antonio Brown and. And you had something to fall back on. But to see that team get run for that amount of yards by Buffalo last week, after that, I want to say they were losing at the half was something, like I said, I've never seen before. So if there was a time for change, it feels like it. It would be after this season. But I. I still think the the credit should go to coach Tomlin and what he's established there. I mean, that's been. That's been an on. I mean, the one thing you could bank on.

[A]

All right.

[E]

Steelers are going to be in the playoffs. They're going to be. You don't want to go there and like one of the toughest places to play. So. So, you know, there's good and bad, but I think the longevity of it has definitely affected people more than I've ever seen in my life.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Then do you think he would get picked up immediately as a head coach somewhere else?

[E]

I do.

[A]

I don't.

[E]

Wow.

[A]

I think he would get picked up eventually. I think he'd have to take a year off.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I just, I think that there's. And I guess it depends on how it ends there, but I think it would be like he's got to do a year where, you know, like Mike McCarthy did that. You know, Mike Vrabel did that, where it's like a year of, oh, I gotta reassess and now I'm back, reinvigorated kind of thing.

[D]

It's like a long term relationship. You wanna. You want to rebound.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Find out who you are. Go to India for six months. Yeah.

[E]

You don't think the Titans would be fired up to get him?

[D]

I think that, yeah, maybe the Titans. I think the Titans would. I also think the Giants would. I think the Giants would love to have a guy like Mike. Mike Tomlin.

[E]

Wow. Yeah.

[A]

That would be a good spot for him.

[D]

I even think that they could trade for him. That's just something I'm throwing out. There is just fan fiction that I'm writing. But the way that Mike Tomlin operates, the way the Giants family, they operate, I feel like they crave the stability of a Mike Tomlin.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What about the nfc? Do you believe in my Bears?

[E]

Yeah. I'm in a tough spot with you.

I've gone. The streak will continue. I got a lucky push against the Steelers, but I've gone against them the last month and they have.

[A]

Oh, no.

[E]

So I'm stuck. I am stuck.

[A]

Yeah. You can't. Yeah.

[E]

I will say, I think I texted you.

Week one being there Monday night and that was my first time inside Soldier Field. I'm like, not the best.

[A]

No, no, no.

[E]

But the pat like that, that fan base, I've talked about it forever. I was actually got caught flicking channels last night and the 85 Bears 30 for 30 came on like that place and along. Talk about longevity of. Of suffering. It's awesome. It's. It's absolutely awesome. I love the story. I'm glad it's all worked out. Now. If they're going to continue and be the one seed, I don't know. But if they were to like, that place was the last time we saw the game that, like. And it's. Well, Aaron was Aaron Rodgers that beat you in the NC title game.

[A]

Yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah. I mean, the win against the. The. The Eagles. I said it on Monday show was the biggest win they had since the 2018 season when they beat the Rams, who ended up going to the super bowl on Sunday Night Football and beat the shit out of golf. But, yeah, it's. It's. I listen, I'm in the mindset of maybe we're a year early, but it's still just such a fun ride. And it's like, like now that they can run, they run the ball better than almost anyone. They have an identity. Their defense is getting healthy. I agree. I don't think they'll end up with the one seed. But I. What happened after the Eagles game is I'm no longer. There's no team in the NFC that I'm like, I think that we'll get our doors blown off. You know what I mean? Like. Like, we can be competitive with anyone. Will we beat everyone? No. I mean, if we played the Rams 100 times, would they beat us 70 times? Yeah, probably. But it's like one game. Anything can happen.

[E]

Correct. Especially get home field and those elements. You never know. I do have a question for you, Big Cat.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Seeing how.

What's the right word? I don't want to say arrogant. How relentless PFT was during that commander's run last year. Is that. Does that affect you as you watch this Bears run? Like, do you have to get to the NFC title game to be as. As relentless and unbearable as he was?

[A]

No. Listen, I.

[E]

You guys spend a lot of time with each other.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[E]

I know. The dynamic. People getting each other's feelings, you know, guys getting each other's feelings. I think there's a fine line. But. But he. He set the precedent.

[A]

Yeah. No, honestly. Honestly, the last year sucked because, I mean, the season sucked and Caleb didn't look good. I'm now at a point with Caleb where I feel confident in his growth and like, yeah, he's not lighting the world on fire week to week, but, like, he's making smart plays. I. I think he's one of the most clutch guys out there. Like, I trust him. In a fourth quarter No, I, I. So that Caleb playing well and the Bears playing well has, has, has made me let go a little bit of like, God damn it. Jaden Daniels is really good, which he is really good.

[D]

And to be fair, I, I doubted whether or not the Commanders were even a good football team until the playoffs started last year because they won so many of those close games. And then the playoff.

[E]

Your feelings change.

[D]

Then the playoffs started and I was. And then it's more about, it's actually, actually more about how I acted this off season than it is how I acted last year.

[A]

That's more because after going to the.

[D]

NFC championship, I was like, yeah, I was scouring lists. I was reading every quarterback list and like threatening to mail pipe bombs if they didn't have Jaden at number five this off season. So, yeah, I, I like to think I was, I was realistic until we got to the NFC championship game and then this whole off season I've been unrealistic.

[A]

So. So in the nfc, who, who else do you trust or think is, is because I. Listen, I'm, I'm, I. About the Bears, I do not think they're the best team in the nfc. I think they can play with anyone. But, you know, I still think, like I said, the Rams. I don't know if you feel differently about the Packers, Seahawks, like there's some good teams.

[E]

No, I love Seattle, absolutely love them. Because I know what I'm getting. I think McDonald's a wizard on defense.

Green Bay is the coin toss to me. I don't know what I'm getting from them in a big spot now. I thought Thanksgiving morning, that game was as high level a game, maybe the best game. Detroit's like been involved in that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't get to watch that game a lot. But that I sat down and I was like, this game is awesome. And Green Bay matched every time, which is hard to do when, when Detroit has it rolling. The one team I think that could be a thorn in the Bear side because they have so much experience and they are getting guys back healthy is Tampa. I think Tampa's a problem because they could go anywhere and play and I still want to see Caleb Williams in cold weather.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Like.

[A]

What do you mean? Like last year when he, when he, when he beat the packers in Lambo.

[E]

With a little more at stake.

[A]

Okay. All right, all right. I'm just saying that was pretty cold.

[D]

Are you worried?

[E]

No. But to this, this is what I'm saying. I know that's what Caleb wants. Wants to do, too.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

You know, like, I just want, like two years ago, like, Scott and I did this whole thing right.

[A]

I just want to see the Chiefs.

[E]

Go on the road in the playoffs, and then they go on the road. They beat the Bills.

[A]

Yeah. That's why. That's why this playoff picture is so interesting, because you have, especially in the afc, you have the Bills, the Bengals, the Ravens, the Chiefs all kind of down. So it's like, we don't know what's going to happen. And it's similar in the NFC where you have, you know, some. Some teams are like, we don't know. Are they good? Maybe. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Do you think?

[E]

Yeah, I don't think anybody's afraid of anyone.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And that's why I thought that was a big step for the Bears last week, going to Philly, because I thought that was a. Have to have a game with Philly and. And they went in, I mean, Johnson's game plan with the misdirection, the run game, like that thing. And I love Philly's personnel on defense. And they. They had no answer. The one thing I find interesting is, like, the seating and how it goes, because I feel like the Rams, Niners and Seahawks are so sick of each other that if one of those teams has to beat the other two, it's like, man, that's a tough draw, you know, where they're just looking for some. Some fresh faces that they could play against in the playoffs. But I feel like those three teams have had so many battles that it. They would want to, you know, you have to play who's in front of you. But they. Preferably, they would like to see some different uniforms in those three.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

If I were to say over, under one game that the Eagles win in the playoffs this year, so one would be a push. Get your money back. What would you say?

[E]

I'll take the over.

[A]

Oh, so you still believe. Because Max is in a very bad spot where the Eagles now have to win him back.

[B]

It's true.

[D]

True.

[C]

I don't understand why.

[A]

Don't shake your head.

[C]

We live in the present right now. They are a bad football team, and they're not showing that. That they're anything else.

[D]

So in addition to having to win football games, they also have to win you. You have to go 20 every week.

[C]

I represent. I represent the fan of faith.

[E]

Are you eating your microphone right now? How bad you are?

[C]

I always talk like this.

[D]

He starts to peel it when he gets really upset.

[A]

All Right.

[E]

Max, I gotta. I got a scenario for you. Okay. I am a. I am a born loser New York Mets fan. Okay. And the Pat. Not this past year, years prior. I was always pessimistic, like, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Of course it didn't happen. Scott has always told me it costs the same to be optimistic as it does pessimistic.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

So could you adopt that optimism?

[C]

But here's where I'll counter with that. Optimism.

Provides a higher amount of. Of like a disappointment. If you go into things pessimistic, then you're. Then you're going about life in a much better way.

[A]

But you're.

[E]

But you're going week by week.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

That's all.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Baby steps.

[A]

Yeah. Just go week by week.

[D]

Steve, hear them out. Pessimists, they. They generally tend to be happier like Frank the Tank when it comes to their teams.

[A]

Happy.

[D]

Go lucky guys.

[A]

That's a good.

[C]

That's a good point.

[D]

That's a good point.

[A]

Yeah. You sit. You sit next to memes. I was happy all the time.

[C]

I was. I was pretty optimistic for most of this year. And then I was in the stadium for that Bears game, and it was just absolutely disgusting on all fronts.

[E]

Well, that's your fault for going to the game.

[C]

Yeah, it was per. It was a perfect game. You're. I don't live in Philly. It was a Friday game, no work. The next day, everyone was getting shitfaced. It was good football. I mean, it was cold. It was very cold. I would have liked it to have been a little bit warmer, but it was the perfect time to go to a game. And it was disgusting. And it's just a microcosm of the disgusting offense that has been going on in Philly for the entire year. And they can't figure it out. But Nick Sirianni says drastic changes coming this week. So I'm excited to see the drastic changes.

[E]

I was kind of confident when watching Hard Knocks with Syria.

[C]

I refuse to watch it.

[D]

You're boycotting Hard box.

[E]

It's great.

[C]

I heard that. It's just the Bears in the Cowboys game, and they're just going to remind me of how angry I was watching both of those games.

[E]

You're moving past. You got to embrace the journey.

[C]

No, if they win this week, almost next week, or. I don't know if that's how that works, but yeah.

It'S a week.

[E]

They're on a buy. So what do you do?

[A]

Right.

[D]

Let Steve talk you into being Optimistic, though. Why, why are you optimistic about the Birds?

[E]

Me?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Because Lane Johnson's going to come back. I still believe in that offensive line. And they have to figure out the run game. Like, I'm not saying we're going to get back to, to Barkley last year, but there still has to be more of a success rate there in the run game.

[C]

There's nothing in the run game. All year there's been nothing. And you can't do anything with this off. Like that was our entire identity last year. And, and not only is it not elite like it was last year, it's not even average. It's like the worst. And it makes no sense to me. It's the same guy, same guys. I don't want to get mad, and I'm going into this pessimistically, so I don't get mad. But it's got to be better.

[E]

But here's the deal. If you say this is the worst, then it only can get better.

[C]

Yeah, I've been thinking that for weeks. And then somehow.

No, no, no. I've lost hope of it getting better.

[D]

I think what we've learned is that Max, he can't be persuaded by an optimist. He needs somebody that's more anti birds than he is. So that Max has to be like, hey, calm down. It's not all that, that's actually fair.

[C]

I, I, I start to think that the Eagles are better when people start.

[A]

Yeah, you when you were fighting with Pug about the Packers Eagles game.

[C]

Well, Pug was right.

[A]

Yeah, Pug was right. Pug was right.

[E]

How about Eagles go the NFC championship game, Max has to shave his head.

[D]

That sounds fair.

[C]

I'm not celebrating NFC Championship soul patch.

[E]

How about if you go to the.

[C]

Either of those things, go to the.

[E]

Super bowl, you shave your head.

[C]

I'm getting married. I'm getting married this year.

[A]

Soul patch. If you win. If you win, it's soul patch not doing Super Bowl.

[E]

Come on. Super Bowl.

[D]

That's a. You're being a bad fan right now. You're being a bad fan.

Patch.

[A]

Then.

[B]

You guys don't want the Super Bowl.

[A]

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[E]

One, I have two questions for you.

[A]

Okay. Are you going to Northside Tavern?

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, good, good.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I fucking love that place.

[D]

Send us a Picture.

[A]

We talk about it all the time. That was such a great night when we went there to what's your best college football bed of the weekend?

[E]

Oh, this is. I. This is one of my questions for you guys. Okay. So I think you have the old Max. This is great. After our optimism, I was asked to do the hype, the voiceover for the hype video for Tulane for their title game this week. So take North Texas.

[A]

Okay. Okay. Good call. Good call. I like North Texas. I think they're so awesome.

[D]

They're fun. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Their team totals have been unbelievable. I think they've gone over every game besides one.

[A]

Yeah. Are you going to bet. Are you going to bet the Big Ten championship game? Because I cannot make sense of it. I want to take, like, everything says, hey, just take Ohio State. They're the better team. They don't have. They haven't shown everything. When they do, they're going to obliterate someone. But how much do they care about this game?

[C]

That's.

[E]

That's the problem with all this. And I. It's. There's a bunch of layers here. Right. You have Indiana, where I feel like the majority of their fan base would be over the moon if they beat Ohio State to win a Big Ten title.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, they've never seen that. I'm not talking about older people, too. Yeah, they've never seen that. And then I asked Herbie this week, I'm like, what do you think the crowd's going to be? Be like, do you think it's 50? 50? Do you think it's 60, 40 Indiana? Because no matter what you say, the craziest and biggest fan base in the sport is Ohio State.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

And those people are out of their minds for their team, and they're going to show up. So I said, at the most, it's 60, 40 Indiana. But the other factor you have is Indiana has a basketball game in the pacers arena at 2:00'.

[A]

Clock. Yep.

[E]

So, like, this day is set up for Indiana like you have no other. And I could see the Ohio State fans going like, let's ruin it. Let's go. Let's go to the basketball game and root for Louisville, and let's go to the football game, because a couple years ago, I. Oh, man. Who did Ohio State play? I think they played Wisconsin in the.

[A]

Big Ten title game, 2017.

[E]

Yeah, I think that was it, because I was with Scott was doing the show that night and having the coaches on, you know, like, we were getting. Before the. The four teams were announced Sunday.

[A]

Morning.

[E]

And so I was with a producer and we were in Indy and it was Saturday and the game's at 8 o' clock and I'm like, oh, it's noon. I'm like, let's go grab some lunch, like go get some wings and something. And we start walking and every place has a line out the door. I'm like, what is going on? Ohio State had a basketball game that day on the Big Ten Network and they all went to bars to watch the game. And so they start before noon and go all the way. Like that's how maniacal they are. And it's crazy as they are, I still respect the hell out of them because they are at that level. I threw out Jeremiah Love three weeks ago when he was at 30 to 1 for the Heisman Trophy winner, thinking he was playing against Syracuse and Stanford. And I thought he was going to run for 800 yards in each game.

[A]

You got hurt.

[E]

And when on top of that, I thought this game was going to happen and everybody started the narrative of the winning quarterback in the Big Ten title game game is going to win the Heisman Trophy. And I just have thought forever it's going to be a defensive game. I don't know if the winning quarterback is going to be that impressive in this game. And so then I start thinking, oh, it's in a dome. They're going to have everything going. Ohio State look like a machine and snow at Ann Arbor last week. So I have totally flipped on its side. I still go back to, I believe 24 points wins the game. I think Indiana's defense is for real. The Ohio State factor and how dominant they've been. I'm not talking about the schedule. I will talk about them, their personnel. The one thing that they don't have that they did last year was difference makers up front on the defensive line. Now, if those guys are motivated enough and show out against Indiana, who I think is an above average offensive line to very good, that would be a surprise to me. So that's why I think it's, it's kind of balanced both ways. And I expect an under a lower scoring game because on the back end of those guys, Ohio State has arguably the best secondary. Yeah, I think it's a, it's a ball control.

Sort of deal. But being at Eugene, for Indiana, like, like Mendoza throwing those back shoulder fades to Surratt and Cooper, it's an unguardable play. There's no, there's no defense for it. And they were on the money in, in not great Conditions in Eugene against a really good team who also, I think, can win a national championship. So that's what it is. Limited mistakes. And I feel like Ohio State's offensive line is good and Indiana is right there. It's an awesome matchup, I would think. Do you guys see either team falling out of the by?

[A]

I don't know.

[D]

I don't think so. If Indiana loses by 50. Yeah, I. There's an outside chance. I mean, that would be.

[A]

But then it would be Oregon and they beat Oregon.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So how can you do that?

[D]

I don't think it's going to happen. I did think about it a month ago when I thought that there was an outside chance that JMU could play against Indiana, against Signetti in the first round. But I don't think that's possible now.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Because the. The other thing that's fascinating of traveling all over this year is, you know, in the off season, they changed. Our four best teams are going to get the buy. And then you go to all these places, like, we don't want to buy. We want the home playoff game.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

That's what we want. And like, Eugene and Bloomington and all. All these places. So that's another fact, because, like, if BYU were to win and.

Georgia were to win and Ohio State wins a close game like this, Oregon back into a buy, which would be crazy. I don't think they want that. They want somebody to have to come to Eugene.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Get a lot of tickets. Yeah. So, okay, you had a question?

[E]

Yeah, that was it. About the.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

What you should do in the Big Ten. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, in the American. Yeah. All right.

[E]

Well, Steve videos coming.

[A]

I love it. You're the best, Steve. We miss you. We gotta get wings soon. Super bowl week. We gotta find a place. Everyone give us your recommendations. San Francisco. You're going to be there, right?

[E]

Yeah, we'll be there.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

Big, big Pro Bowl Tuesday night.

[A]

Oh, okay. So San Francisco hit us on the call.

[E]

Call Scott Vampel on the call, your.

[A]

Best wing spot, and we will review them. Super bowl week. Yeah.

[E]

One quick one.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Nose hair.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Came up on our podcast this week.

[A]

Huh?

[E]

Would you guys entertain the thought of waxing your nose hair?

[A]

No, but I.

[E]

Or have you done it?

[A]

I have.

[D]

I. I've plucked.

[A]

I've. I've. My wife is plucked because she just. She's just like, what the is this? It's gross. Yeah.

[E]

But you get those ingrown hairs in there and they hurt like, no one.

[A]

Yep. Like, you feel like you're pulling out Part of your brain. Yeah, I also have it on the top. I have it. She's plucked on the top. I get it on like the outside of my nose too. She's gross.

[E]

Hairy.

[D]

It's gross when you're talking about wack. They stick the wax up your nose and then they.

[A]

So the key.

[E]

So the key, it's basically a giant Q tip. And they do that and they, they threw up. But the key is not to go. Go all the way up where it feels like they're pulling out your brain.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like a COVID test.

[E]

Yeah, it's just, you know, get makeup every week and you're like, oh, your nose hair is falling out again. I'm like, yeah, I gotta trim it. But even the trimmer, it doesn't.

[A]

I know, I know.

[D]

You know what if I was in a chair and somebody was like getting me ready to go on tv and they're like, hey, can we wax this? It'll take five minutes. I'd probably just say yes, but I would never, like, go out and do it and schedule it on my own.

[E]

Yeah. I think I have to do it on a date because I like it.

[A]

It.

[E]

I've broken my nose a couple times. And you can't stop crying. Yeah, like that's, that's what happens. So before going on tv. I don't think it's a good idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

But I'm go. I'm going to get it done and I will. I will check back with you guys and, and let you know how it is. But I think we're here for, for nose hair removal.

[D]

We just think Steve just lost a bet weeping on tv. Oh, it's gonna be a great bad beast.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, Steve, you're the best, man. Have fun this weekend and we'll see you soon.

[E]

Wherever the hell we meet again, boys, it'll be a pleasure and can't wait to have a couple cold ones.

[C]

It'll be good.

[D]

Always a great environment. Drinking beer with you, Steve. Number one.

[A]

Number one. Number one.

[E]

Do I get anything for being due to the year?

[A]

Yeah, we'll get you something. Wings. Free wings and beer. Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

That's all I need.

[D]

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[A]

Wrap up Fire fest of the week. Henry. Hanky, my boy Hank. You got fire Fest?

[B]

I got a few. I'm trying to. I don't even know. Jerry is a piece of.

[D]

Oh, Jerry o'.

[A]

Connell.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I'm still reading this dumbass book and I already know what happened.

[A]

Wait, how many pages are you in?

[B]

Like 150.

[D]

What's happened so far?

[B]

Oh, he's gone on a quest. He's. He's found some knights. They went. They went to a funeral.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's kind of where I left off. They're about to go on another adventure, which I know he dies at the.

[D]

End of, but they're gonna. He's gonna up some windmills.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

He could up some windmills or.

[B]

Yeah, but he's gonna die.

[D]

Everyone dies. Spoiler. Yeah.

[A]

Spoiling a thousand page book. That's brutal.

[C]

So you could just not. You could just quit.

[B]

No.

[A]

Could quit.

[D]

Why don't you.

[C]

No one is making you do this.

[D]

Why don't you fight fire with fire? Spoil Kangaroo Jack.

[B]

Seen that? Was that Full house.

[A]

What?

[D]

That was Jerry.

[A]

Yeah, that was Jerry. Oh, yeah. Kangaroo Jack. This is number one movie.

[D]

You want to spoil it or spoil Stand by Me or Jerry Maguire?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't Remember what happens at the end of Kangaroo Jack? I just know the commercial is.

[D]

The commercial is. Well, at the end of Stand By Me, they. They come across the dead body. And then the older brothers drive to catch up to the dead body. River Phoenix pulls a gun on Kiefer Sutherland and is like, step the away. And then he steps the off. And then some of them remain friends to this day. Except River Phoenix died in the movie, too.

[B]

That's sad.

[D]

Very sad.

[A]

All right, so what's your other fire fest?

[B]

Might have jumped the gun talking about the weather in Chicago, Although I don't. I don't give a weather. The winner's a winner.

[A]

The winner is if it's.

[B]

If it's an average of 50°, 40°, and versus average of 15°. What's the difference? You're inside.

[A]

Yeah, I think the blob is gonna us up. But like I said, I like one bad winter. It's like, then the next winner will feel easy.

[D]

So on the drive into work this morning for. For wake up Bar school is super early. So I go out to my car. It feels cold. I get in my car, it says like, 15 degrees. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty cold. I drove in, and then once I got inside, everybody started complaining about the weather because it was like 3 degrees, but my car said it was. It was 15. And so I think it's all mental. Like, I. I wasn't thinking that it was brutally cold until somebody else told me that it was.

[A]

Isn't everyone getting up right now, too? Like, I saw the south was getting up too. Like, there's. Zach, you got. You're. You're. You're keen on the weather. I just. The. I've seen a lot of these blob maps. The. The heat maps look like everybody. Like, substantial amounts of states are getting up.

[D]

Yeah. Yep.

[B]

No, it's been a good week. It's been. It's been a good week. I like this time of year.

[D]

Great week.

[A]

Yeah. The weather doesn't bother me until, like, mid January. I'm like, all right, this is still festive Christmas time.

[D]

I. Yeah.

[B]

Once the lights come down.

[A]

Yeah. Then it's like, dark.

[D]

As long as the snow on the ground is white, I'm cool with it. It's been once it turns like city gray and yellow and brown, that's when I'm done with the snow.

[A]

It's January 1st till the super bowl, because then we go on vacation after the super bowl, and then it's like, all right, it's late February. Let's. Let's move on with it. Yeah. This doesn't look good for anyone.

[D]

That's a giant blob.

[A]

Holy shit. They're blobbing everything.

[D]

Hank, hear me out. What if we build. Build a load of windmills, really tall ones, and then we push the blob back.

[A]

Back to. Back to Canada.

[D]

Yeah. Zach, what do you think? That sounds like it could work.

[A]

I like that. Fight, fight, win with wind.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, but it costs.

[B]

It costs. They're not cost effective. And when the windmills break it. It up. The environment. I care about the environment.

[D]

What if we build giant ones? Just huge windmills. You're thinking about the birds.

[B]

I'm thinking about the whole environment.

[D]

But you've been awfully quiet about the dead cats.

[A]

Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.

[D]

I haven't heard a word.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[D]

Keep that same energy for the cat's.

[A]

Hank, pft. Your fire fest, or do you have one more?

[B]

No.

[D]

Okay, I got two. Fire fest. Fires fest. First is the World cup draws tomorrow. And Hank doesn't care about it, and he's about to yawn because I'm talking about soccer. But the World cup draw is tomorrow, Hank.

[A]

Maybe. What time?

[D]

I think it's at 11. 11 Central. Hank, this might interest you.

[A]

Max, hand up.

[C]

What's the World cup draw?

[D]

Okay, good question, Max. It's where they put all the names of all the countries into a big pot. And it's like the NBA lottery where they pull out the ping pongs.

[C]

So this will find out if we're a group of death group.

[D]

If we find out if we're in the group of death or if we're in the group life. And Hank, I'm gonna. I'm gonna snap your attention into this because Tom Brady's helping the host.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

So the A listers, we got Tom Brady, Shaq, Donald Trump is going to be, I think, maybe even picking the balls out. And as I've predicted, I think this is going to be the most rigged draw ever for the United States. And I put together my. This is my pick for. For our group. Usa, Iran, South Africa, New Zealand.

[A]

That was easy.

[D]

That would. That would be money.

[A]

That seems easy.

[D]

That would be money for us. There's also a chance that Italy doesn't get in. There are some teams that haven't qualified yet.

[A]

Yet. So, Ital, wait, how are they doing the draw without a qualification?

[D]

They've got like six different spots, I think, for teams that are pending qualifications. So, like, there's four European countries that can get in and then two others and Italy. It would be very. It'd be a real shame if Italy missed two consecutive World Cups.

[A]

That'd be brutal. Pending qualification. Qualific disqualification. By the way, shout out. Orlando FC had over three tweets about it. Yeah, we also. We didn't realize when we were deciding about taking Orlando FC versus San Diego. San Diego was actually in the semifinals two weeks ago.

[D]

Oh, let's go.

[A]

Yeah. They lost.

[D]

Good for them.

[A]

But. Yeah.

[D]

Wait, who's in the fight? It's the Vancouver Whitecaps against Inter. Miami Inter. That's.

[C]

That's messy.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

So far apart.

[A]

So listen, we. We are Orlando fc. Yeah, we are Orlando fc.

[C]

Me and Hank may still be San Diego.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh.

[D]

House divided. What the podcast Divided.

[A]

We got the disqualification.

[D]

When do they play next year.

Circle it on the count.

[C]

Worry about it.

[D]

I know it's rivalry week.

[C]

I'm over the. I'm over the whole mls.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we. We all know that, like, they're. The only way that this. Anything comes of this is if somehow were in Orlando for something else and there happens to be an Orlando FC game happening within one mile of where we're at, and we probably still won't go.

[D]

I think it's probably more likely that we're on a trip somewhere else and Orlando happens to be on the road playing against that team in that stadium, and we still. And then we'll drive past.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And be like, pride up.

[A]

I'll tell you what, If Orlando FC wants to reach out and let one of us play in a game, we will do that. That.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

That'd be so sick.

[C]

Zach.

[A]

Zach. Let Zach be a goalkeeper. I get a net. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Just get him on the roster for a minute.

[D]

So that's Firefest number one. Firefest number two is I. I got out negotiated yesterday in. In a car deal. So I've told you guys that I. I really enjoy negotiating car prices.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

So I go in to negotiate this price, and I'm doing all my tricks. I'm, like, trying to throw the salesperson off balance a little bit, but, like, in a friendly way where he knows I'm playing the game. I know he's playing the game. And then he gives me the price, and then I write something down on a sheet of paper, and I was like, if we can get the first two numbers to start with these two numbers, you got yourself a deal. And he's like, okay, I'll be right back.

[A]

He.

[D]

He leaves. He goes to the back room, and then he comes Back.

And the price that he's written down is, like, twenty five hundred dollars less than what I told him. Interesting. And I looked at it, and he's like, so we got a deal. I'm just, like, looking at the number and trying to figure out how he got to that number and why he went to that number. And I spent, like, two minutes, like, ask him questions about the itemized stuff on it. And he was like, no, that's. That's the number. And I was like, okay, okay, deal. But I felt like I got beat.

[A]

Yeah, no, something happened.

[D]

It's a very unsatisfying.

[A]

Sold you something bad.

[D]

So what happened was like, I. I got more than what I wanted to get, but he absolutely won that negotiation against me.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

I almost. I. I felt like I had to turn down his counter off.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And be like, no, you go back there and you bring it up $2,000.

[A]

No, he got you.

[D]

And I got owned by this guy.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

So, hey, tip of the cap.

[A]

He 100 owns you. Something is gonna happen to your car. And you should be like, that's why.

[D]

Something is a miss.

[A]

Yeah. What? What? Zach said something. Oh, you're saying you wouldn't want that be a battle. Yeah, well, Zach, you used to sell cars. Would you ever do that? Ever do what? You know, give. Give PFC a good deal. Deal. Even better deal than what he expected. Best deal. We've tried to find all rebates and incentives. We try to, like, get you on the road a nice ride.

[D]

That's what he said. He's like, I. I found some more rebates back there. I was like, where are you keeping these rebates?

[A]

Sometimes they're hiding.

[D]

And then I thought to myself, like, what's. What's the catch with rebates?

[B]

They're just.

[D]

It's actually the best way to negotiate with somebody. You just. You let them win, but you control that they won.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How come cars are the only place where you use the word, word rebate?

[D]

I don't know that.

[A]

I don't think that's true.

[C]

I think it's true.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, well, it's definitely not true.

[C]

What counter give me appliance stores. They do rebates.

[A]

Yeah, a partial refund to someone who's paid too much money for tax, rent, or utility. Yeah. Don't. Isn't like taxes. Don't you get tax rebate?

[D]

Yeah. All right, take it back. Tax refund.

[C]

All right, all right, all right, all right.

[D]

Or you can be like. Like, I jacked off this morning. Then I rebated.

[A]

A tax Rebate is a refund of taxes paid off. An issue by federal or state government. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what that. That would.

[B]

Wrong.

[C]

Listen, sometimes you say stuff that I like.

[A]

You taking shots?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Take shots. By the way, since we recorded the picks in preview, Jalen Carter has been ruled out. Do you have a statement?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Shane was rooting for injuries. Sad.

[A]

That's your statement? Yep. What about your team?

How long is he out for? How long is that?

[D]

We're.

[C]

We'll talk about. We don't. We don't. We do not preview Monday Night Football games on this. On this program.

[D]

But we talk about football on this program.

[C]

Yeah, we talk about that on Monday.

[D]

No, we talk about injury news.

[A]

We'll talk about this.

[E]

Breaking.

[A]

Breaking moves.

[C]

It's not breaking news. This isn't how.

[A]

Breaking moves. Breaking moves. Jalen Carter out for Monday Night Football.

[D]

Impossibly longer.

[A]

Yep. Impossibly longer. Max, your thoughts?

[C]

He played bad last game, so that probably makes sense.

[A]

Oh, he was injured.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What was his injury?

[C]

Shoulders. Both shoulders?

[A]

Both shoulders.

[D]

That seems bad.

[C]

Procedure done. Not surgery. Procedure.

[D]

On which shoulder?

[C]

On both, I think both.

[D]

He got two shoulders done.

[C]

Both. Both shoulders.

[D]

That doesn't sound good.

[C]

Nope. I'm not a doctor, but not great.

We're deep on the interior defensive line. It's. It's still got to win the football game. But you probably won't, because who knows? I've this. I've lost all hope in this Eagles team. They got. They have to bring me back.

[A]

Oh, they have to buy.

[C]

They had.

[A]

Yeah. I'm to win you back.

[C]

They have to win me back.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I'm opening up that they could win me back, but right now.

I.

[E]

They.

[A]

They have to prove it.

[C]

They have to prove it.

[D]

What if they beat Trey Lance on Monday?

[A]

Sounds like you're six out of ten.

[C]

I would take it. I would. No.

[D]

Would that win you back?

[C]

Way less than 6 out of 10, huh?

[D]

That. When you back.

[C]

If they beat Trey Lance.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

No.

[A]

What if the offense looks awesome?

[C]

Maybe I would like the offense to look awesome. If the offense looks awesome, then I would be. Then it doesn't matter who's playing quarterback.

[D]

Then they win you back.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What if the defense looks bad, though?

[C]

That would be fine.

[D]

Defense.

[A]

Defense looks good.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Jalen Carter.

[A]

I have.

[D]

I had a joke about Jalen Carter, but I didn't say it out of respect to you, Max.

[C]

Jalen Carter. Good guy.

[A]

No.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, good guy. You're standing on that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good guy. Good guy. Okay, sure.

[C]

Yeah. Let me say it again.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Jalen Carter.

[A]

Good guy. Okay, there it is.

[C]

So everyone make. Everyone makes mistakes. Made one mistake. Dax been on first.

[A]

That wasn't.

[D]

Oh, that's not what we're. Yeah, Max, we don't care about this.

[C]

Yeah, that was our second mistake. That was the second.

[A]

So everyone makes two mistakes.

[C]

Some.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

He might have been. It was young.

[C]

Young guy.

[D]

He might have been driving a red car. In his defense.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I don't really have a fire. I mean, I guess I had one from over Thanksgiving. My kids were sick. I. I had to catch Throw up in my hands at the zoo. That's always a moment where you're like, okay, yeah, this is. I'm fine with this. I think.

[D]

You think the. The animals respect that.

[A]

It was in the cafeteria. It was kind of a scene, but, yeah, I. I caught it. I caught pretty much 90% of the throw up. But it was kind of a moment where you live your whole life being grossed out by certain things, and then when it happens with kids, you're just like, yeah, I'm fine. I'll just jump in front of this one.

[D]

Your. Your own kids?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that.

[D]

Like a stranger's kids.

[A]

Oh, gross, gross, gross. And then, yeah, I mean, I. It's a reverse fire fest, but we obviously had the Spotify Wrapped and YouTube Wrapped. Thank you for everyone who tunes in. It's. It's. It still is mind blowing. 10 years in. It's crazy.

[D]

It's wild seeing, like all the. All the different countries too, when we get to look at that.

[B]

The YouTube rap was awesome.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's very well done. Seriously. Thank you to all the awls. We. We know how lucky we are, and it's. It's very special to have those moments. We're like, wow, this is pretty crazy. We were the number two on Spotify behind the tennis podcast with the asterisks. Yeah. What? That's. That's an ash. Well, also, they rank them. You can see it on Spotify. It's ranked. We're always ranke. Higher.

[D]

I don't. I don't want to.

[B]

And they show the views.

[A]

Yeah, and they show the views. We always are higher.

[D]

You guys know me. I'm not. I'm not a big pound my chest guy, but if you. If you really wanted to, you could go to the episodes and see right next to them how many listens each episode of ours has. And then the ones on Theirs. And then you can kind of judge for yourself that way.

[A]

What does this mean?

[C]

Zach gave out his list, too.

[A]

Wait, this is your list, Zach? It's top 10 sports podcasts of 2025. Very tiny parentheses, according to Zach. Okay. Pardon My. Take 1. Spitting Chiclets to charge them if you got them. 3. The Ride in Rosilla show.

[C]

4.

[A]

Guilty is charged. So Rosilla is now in a Chargers sandwich. Sandwich cover. 3. Podcast shout out. Guy. Tom, the tennis podcast. 7. Eagle Eye.

[D]

8.

[A]

What's that?

[C]

9.

[A]

9. High hopes.

[C]

High hopes. Shout out. Shout out.

[E]

My.

[C]

My Phillies guys. Jack Fritz, my guy guy. And then Zach was. Zach. This is accident.

[A]

Meow Mix.

[D]

Okay, Very good, Zach.

[A]

Yeah, listen, we don't. We. I'd say, actually the one thing that we don't really care about is the rankings because we just keep putting out a podcast and hoping people like it. And a lot of people like it.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

So we just need to get Taylor Swift involved.

[D]

Well, no, there's other options. We're talking about.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Sabrina Carpenter for Zach.

[A]

Oh, my God. Can you imagine, Zach, you and Sabrina?

I mean, that would be. It'd be quite the scene. Yeah, it would.

[D]

That would be quite the scene. Really. Any Serena.

[A]

Zach would ghost Sabrina Carpenter. Let's be honest.

[D]

Yeah, that's not.

[A]

That's not true. His brother would hit him up for some Call of Duty and he'd be like, sabrina. Sorry. I think she'd understand that. I mean, yeah, family, you know? But the point remains. Thank you to everyone who listens and rides with us. It's. It's pretty awesome.

[D]

I got a question, Zach. How many of these are real podcasts?

[A]

All of them.

[C]

All of them except for one.

[A]

Yeah, one of.

[C]

One of them is fake.

[A]

Which one's fake?

[D]

Charge them if you got him. Charge them. That's. No, that's a fake Chargers podcast. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, okay. That's our. That's what we.

[D]

Future. Future.

[C]

Guilty of. Charge is real, though.

[D]

It's a real one.

[A]

What's Eagle Eye?

[C]

That's one that pug listens to a lot.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

But. But still, Zach's list.

[A]

Eli. Solid Eagles pod that I listen to.

[C]

And sometimes I fall asleep too.

[A]

Shout out Eagle Eye.

[D]

Another follow up question here. Why. Why is spitting Chiclets higher than Ryan Rosillo? I like both podcasts. I'm just curious to know, like, what the metrics are that went into judging these.

[A]

Yeah, hockey players. Tough guys. You know, Sometimes you just got, like, respect.

[D]

Not Ryan.

[E]

So.

[C]

Ryan, no respect.

[D]

Zach does not flip it.

[A]

And Tweeted it.

Guys. Tougher guys, you know? But you. You're basically saying you're not afraid of Ryan. Physically. Yeah. That's physically. Less afraid of Ryan. In full transparency.

[C]

Then what about charge him if you got them?

[A]

Those guys. I mean.

[C]

Also.

[D]

Also, it's Zach's list.

[A]

The Chiclets guys got left off that other list that went into consideration for this list.

[C]

Still Zach's list, though.

[D]

Zach's list.

[A]

Okay, Zach, give us your fire fest. My fairfest this week is early in the week. I compete. I had the pleasure of competing in a spelling bee. I didn't. I got out my first word. But the fyre fest part is like, last night, I saw the video scrolling through Twitter on the. For you. And I watched it probably for about 20 minutes. Just because, like, as an adult, you have to spell one word correctly.

[B]

No.

[A]

I've now downloaded several spelling apps and will become a better speller. Okay. Yeah. I'm getting in the lab a double.

[E]

R. Zack is horrible at spelling.

[B]

Right.

[D]

Zach is not what we call a. He's a creative speller.

[A]

Your word is resilient. Resilient. Resilient. Come on.

[D]

You might put a Y in here.

[A]

Resilient.

Correct.

[D]

He's just trying to think of a letter right now. Any letter.

[A]

Any letter.

[E]

Please spell zillion in the middle.

[A]

Was he curving on his fingers?

[D]

Yeah, it might be a Z in here. He might. R, E, S. Yeah. I. Yeah. L, E, N, T. Reselling it.

[A]

I'm sorry. Z back.

Sorry about that.

[D]

Sorry. I didn't think it was that bad.

[B]

Oh, actually, I do have a fire fest, now that I think about it.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

It kind of goes to Zach's point because I was just thinking about me and Zach versus, like, a third grader in a spelling bee, and we might be outmatched. My nephew is three and has learned about the solar system, and at Thanksgiving, they're asking him questions, and they were asking questions.

[D]

I was like, I don't think I.

[B]

Know the answers to some of these.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

And that is.

[B]

That is a tough realization.

[A]

Yeah. Remember when I talked about this? Maybe it was like, two summers ago when. When my oldest was asking me questions about the sun, and he, like, knew some of the. And I didn't know anything.

[D]

Yeah. What was the hardest question?

[B]

It was just like, the. You know, how many rings does this planet have? How many moons?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Which planets are next to each other? I was like, do I. It was bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Do the kids know about Pluto?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's dwarf planet.

[D]

Oh. So they're still teaching Pluto.

[A]

Pluto.

[B]

Do you know? It's like, is this a planet? Yes, Pluto's a planet. He goes, no, dwarf planet.

[D]

Oh, that's crazy.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember when they canceled Pluto. That was a tough day.

[D]

We'll get it back one day.

[C]

I've decided to go again. No more Ozempic, by the way.

[D]

Oh, that was a brief.

[A]

Is that just because you went to the gym two times?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

I've decided that I instead. I'm instead going to be gym guy.

[A]

I'm still keeping TRT on the gym table for myself, so.

[D]

Max, you had. You had a total of zero days.

[C]

Zero days on oic. Yeah, well, I'm. I'm giving Jim. I'm giving Jim a shot.

[B]

Doesn't coming to this office count as going to the gym?

[C]

No, because there's only a finite amount of time where you can actually do it. So then I would have to wake up super early before people come, or I have to go at six. And then Mincy's always like, grunting while. While you're trying to work out, which is tough.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So going to a gym, like, separate.

[D]

You can.

[C]

You can go.

[A]

We.

[C]

We have a weird schedule. So I can go on, like. Like are off time, which is. Which is good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So, Jim, gym guy. I'm. I'm becoming gym guy.

[A]

Trt.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

I'll.

[C]

I'll keep that on the table.

[A]

My problem with getting TRT is I have to go see my doctor, and I don't really know how to do that.

[C]

I don't have a doctor.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's the problem.

[C]

We need to get do. We've talked about it on this show. Let's talk about it again.

[A]

Doctor.

[C]

And someone here, Doctor, be my. Be my physician.

[A]

Yeah. Why can't. Why can't we have a doctor just do a house call to this office?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, tell us we're fat. But, like, be nice about it and.

[A]

Then just be like, here's the solution.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Testosterone.

[D]

Why don't you have somebody in this office just become a doctor?

[C]

No, because I would like to know, like, if I'm about. Like, how quickly I am to death.

[D]

That's not what doctors do.

[A]

Yeah, I think you want to go to a witch doctor.

[C]

I mean, like, I would like someone to nicely be like, if you go about this, you're gonna die in this amount of time.

[A]

Yeah, they don't. They don't do that.

[C]

I feel like they could. I don't.

[A]

They just say, are you healthy or not?

[D]

Max, it sounds like, you know exactly what's wrong with you. You just want somebody else to tell it to you.

[C]

What, Tell me that I'm fat?

[D]

Well, no, you're saying that you want. You want to pay somebody money to say, here's what's wrong with you and here's how you're going to die.

[C]

I'm not. That's healthcare.

[D]

It just. It sounds to me like you know the answers. You just want somebody in a. A coat.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Am I. Am I eating too much salt?

[D]

Probably.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, what else?

[A]

Yeah. What other questions?

[D]

We all eat our meals together.

[C]

We have Super Bowl Sunday every Sunday.

[A]

Yeah. I love that we've rebranded it.

[B]

I do like that.

[E]

It's true.

[B]

It actually is not wrong because everyone talks about, like, gaining weights on the holidays and stuff. And it's like, I ate relatively healthy and relatively portioned meals, and I came in Sunday and it was Super Bowl Sunday.

[C]

It's Super Bowl Sunday every Sunday.

[B]

Like, I was. I felt like on Monday, not because of the holidays, but just from coming here on Sunday.

[C]

Like, my. My fiance and I talk about. She's like, when you come home, you eat healthy. Like, what? Like, where are you slipping up? I'm. It's like you don't know what happens on Sunday.

[A]

Super Bowl.

[C]

Super Bowl Sunday. Every Sunday.

[A]

Oh, man. Yeah. It's a great rebrand because how can you not on Super Bowl Sunday? How can you not. You can't turn it down on Super Bowl Sunday.

[D]

This is why we do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Last week, I think. Think there was. I think we had pizza, chicken fingers, wings, cheese steaks. Mexican food.

[D]

No Buffalo chicken dip, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah, we got to get that in our.

[A]

Yeah, that ice cream.

[D]

That's how.

[C]

You know that ice cream and ice cream.

[D]

Halftime snacks. We have those. Has anyone. I also.

[C]

We have a popcorn machine.

[B]

I was eating. I had, like, it was. Tasted good. It was like 100 calorie ice cream bar. I was like, has anyone ever done. Do we know how many calories are in, like, a serving of our ice?

[C]

I did that.

[A]

I don't want to know.

[C]

It's like 190 calories. If you, like, go just above the top of the.

[A]

Oh, that's not bad.

[C]

No, no, no, no. Your cones are much more like. I. I measured it to try and get under 200 calories, and it was, like, barely above the top of the cone.

[A]

Yeah, that's not bad.

[D]

That's honestly not. I. I thought you were going to.

[A]

Say it was like 400.

[C]

I also think that was.

[B]

It sounds like yours are for.

[C]

I think that was also when we. When we had the 5% milk fat and I think the 10 milk fat.

[A]

Can. Can we do frozen yogurt? Whoa.

[E]

There's no. There's no way.

[C]

I. I thought that was a strict rule of. No.

[D]

Yeah, it was.

[A]

I'm just asking, if we wanted to get in shape in January, could we.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Switch to frozen yogurt would be sick.

[C]

All of those, like, all those dole.

[A]

Whip options that we had, those are all, like, super low calorie. We can try yogurt as well. Well, maybe we try yogurt and you can put death stare right now.

[C]

Yes, yes, yogurt. Yes. Yogurt. Yes, yogurt, yes.

[A]

You can put quite a few different, like, variations of mixes in the top of that thing, and it will come out tasty.

[D]

What if we had one yogurt, the other custard, and then you could do a mix, a swirl. So it's like, three quarters as bad.

[A]

Oh, it's like harm reduction.

[D]

Yeah, harm reduction.

[A]

Like, kind of fat for you, kind of not.

[C]

When are we getting a new one?

[A]

Probably in the summer. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna get it. We're gonna upgrade to a bigger one.

[C]

A bigger one or a third one?

[A]

A bigger one.

[E]

What?

[C]

Can you put three things in it?

[A]

I think I'm gonna put, like, 15 things in it.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Like one of those machines that just has all the sodas.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Like that. I want that. Yeah.

[D]

Does that exist?

[A]

I don't know, but we. Someone should make it for us.

[C]

Zach, how stressed are you by. By listening to what he just said?

[A]

I don't know if. If it comes to one singular machine, but, like, we'll stack them. We can stack them for you. Would you be into a stack? I don't know. I want something big.

[C]

Big.

[A]

We'll go big. Yeah. Texas sized. Yeah. Because I also think we could sell this one.

[C]

We could do, like.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we could sell it and be like, hey, buy the barstool custom cream team machine. And then we just upgrade to something bigger. And maybe every year, we get bigger and bigger and bigger until we just have an ice cream factory.

[D]

I just want to point out that this conversation started with, we need to all get in better shape. We eat to unhealthy, and it's evolved into, we need to get a much bigger ice cream.

[C]

They don't start with me saying, I shouldn't have said.

[A]

I'm.

[C]

I may need to go. Ozempic's still on the table. But I. But Right now.

[D]

So you're back on Ozempic.

[C]

No, I'm not. I'm just not ruling it out right now.

[D]

Yeah. This is a roller coaster I'm giving.

[C]

I'm. I'm trying. I'm trying to just be fit gym guy.

[D]

Okay, so you.

[C]

I'm the fattest guy in this gym by far. But by the way, I've. I look every. I've gone twice, and I've looked at every person there for sure. The fattest guy there. But that makes me think that once you're there long enough, you're not fat.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You're also probably one of the strongest in the gym.

[A]

Yeah. You're an athlete. You're.

[C]

I did legs. I'm. I'm. I'm pretty good at benching, but I. I squatted today. There was, like. There was, like, a girl next to me doing, like, the same amount of weight that I was, too.

[D]

That's okay.

[A]

What if we did frozen yogurt in the machine? And then I got a huge cooler for hard. Hard ice cream scoop. That could definitely play. So you can have a little bit of both.

[D]

I think what's going to happen is people are going to have. Here's what I know I will do. I'll eat the. I'll eat the frozen yogurt, and then I'll think to myself, that just wasn't as good as ice cream. I want ice cream, and then I'll have ice cream.

[A]

But Zach getting, like, being behind the counter for an hour every day, it's like, you want your ice cream, he'll scoop it for you. Would be nice that maintenance for that. Wouldn't be that bad. You just got to buy the big barrels.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It would just be the upfront, just like the freezer and stuff. Yeah, yeah. All right. We got options, boys. We got flavors. Memes is so. He's just staring at me right now. Breathe into the mic. I know exactly what you're looking for.

[D]

Big cat.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Before you do the. You say the word.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Should we talk Giannis, at all.

[A]

We talked about at the beginning of the show.

[D]

That's right. It was a great conversation. And Chris Paul, fantastic conversations.

[A]

Both numbers. Three. Three.

[E]

Ah.

[D]

Giannis, Nicks.

I mean, I'll let Memes have three from now on. Thank you.

[A]

No, I'll still fight for it every now and then because it would be funny.

[D]

I go 15.

[C]

100.

[B]

I'll go 50.

[A]

All right. Max, what was 50 there?

[B]

Trying to reverse it.

[A]

44. No, it is.

[D]

You had a bad experience with 50 58, 50.

[B]

50 chance of winning something.

[D]

Zach built a snowman yesterday.

[A]

Watch it on PMTV. 85. 85.

[D]

It's actually two snowmen.

[A]

Two snowmen.

[C]

The second was a perfectly normal size great snowman.

[A]

Under 18.

[B]

18'S been hot.

[A]

18'S been hot. Anybody? Anybody? Anybody means you want to do one more? I would love to do one more. All right, we're getting really close, huh?

[D]

Should we do new number numbers?

[A]

No, it has to be three. It really doesn't. All right, 85.

[D]

3, 15. 150.

[A]

Oh, 83.

[D]

Not even close.

[C]

There was a three in there.

[A]

How many.

[D]

How many days has been.

[A]

How many turns? Just look at the three yet guesses. Let's do.

[D]

Yeah, do the update here.

[C]

I've also decided that 86 and 88 are the closest two numbers that you can have in the. In. In numbers.

[A]

What?

[C]

They're so close.

[E]

Look at this.

[A]

Max isn't going to do what you.

[D]

Asked them do you mean?

[A]

He's just saying there's a line that goes down.

[D]

What?

[C]

It's so close. I. I thought about visually, like, the thing about Dalton, Kincad and D. Austin Knox is at 86.

[A]

What about 17 and 77?

[C]

86 and 88 is way closer.

[A]

No, 77 is the same as 17. You just put a little line out there. Got you there.

[D]

I would actually say, yes. 17 and 77.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, no, look at 86.

[A]

What about 45 and 46?

[D]

Okay, Max, what about 66 and 68?

[C]

That's fair. I thought about that as I was saying it.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What about 50 and 80?

Yeah, 50 and 80 is a good call.

[D]

What about 68 and 88?

[C]

50 and 80. No, I'm 50. No, no, because there's two lines in 50 and 80.

[A]

What about 79 and 99?

[C]

79.

[A]

99 and 79. That's pretty.

[C]

No, not as close as 86 and 88.

[D]

What about.

[A]

What about. Someone's gonna think that. People are gonna think that someone got this, and then they're gonna hear this and be like, why the My Spotify raps say that? I listen to this podcast as much as I do.

[C]

I kind of went off the rails at the end of this show.

[A]

I like it.

[D]

Max, what about 66 and 86?

[E]

Some good stuff.

[C]

No, because that's two. Oh, wait, no, it's only one line.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Okay. See everyone.

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