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Super Wild Card Weekend, Fastest 2 Minutes, Commanders Huge Win, Bills And Ravens Roll And Who's Back Of The Week
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Big Cat
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PFT Commenter
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Big Cat
On today's part of my Take Super Wild Card Weekend Recap we're going to recap all five games we had four duds and then an absolute thriller in Sunday night football and PFT's commanders are marching on. We're going to talk maybe a little preview for Monday Night Football because we didn't talk about it on Friday. Who's back of the week Fastest two minutes. Listen, we only got a few of these left, so cherish them. It is a football Monday and it's brought to you by our friends at DraftKings NFL Playoffs. We're talking about NFL Playoffs. You bet. We are getting on the action. DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner. The NFL Scoring touchdowns is key to winning in the NFL playoffs, and the key to you scoring big is betting on them at DraftKings, the number one place to bet touchdowns. Ready to place your first bet? Try betting on something simple like a player to score six. Go to the DraftKings sportsbook app. Make your pick. Here's another reason to watch your your favorite players crush it in the playoffs. New customers bet $5 to get $200 in bonus bets instantly. Score big during the NFL playoffs with DraftKings Sportsbook. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings Sportsbook, the crown is yours. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York. Call 8778-HOPENY or text hopeny467-369 In Connecticut, help is available for problem GAM 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Please play responsibly on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Resort in Kansas, 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void. In Ontario, bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG Co Audio. Okay, let's go. Hey football Guy Pat welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Score big during the NFL playoffs with DraftKings Sportsbook. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code TAKE. That's code TAKE for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings Sportsbook, the crown is yours. Today is Monday 13th and it's super Wild Card weekend. They're not gonna get them some spread. We start in Houston where QB just Tin Man Herbert showed no heart and had way more ooze than Oz in this one. It's early January so the Stroud boys stood back and stood by until CJ Lord and Xavier Hutchinson for a huge gain off a fumbled snap. And just like that the Texans were storming the defense. The game broke open when Herbert was picked off by safety Eric Curry who made Somoza his playing time and didn't stop until he was Indian end zone and proved the Chargers are a non factor come playoff time. Texans 32, Chargers in the stinky cloud 12.
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PFT Commenter
We head down to Baltimore Maryland where the new look Ravens defense and Dean Black Eyed Peas said let's get Lamar did. Let's get Lamar did in here. Hey hey as he connected with Rashad of Love with Tila Tequila Bateman and he was very easy to score with Brussels Sprouts. Wilson had another performance that was very hard to digest and all the kids at home hated it, but George W. Bush Pickens is bagged at it again. But the Baltimore offense was committing war crimes with a ground invasion as Derrick Henry Kissinger carpet bombed the Steelers for another Pittsburgh playoff.
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Big Cat
Laos Ravens 28, the Steelers 14 onto Sunday to Western New York where the Broncos had Bills saying Troy Vay as Franklin caught the first score of the game to put Denver up early, but they forgot about 17 as quarterback Josh Allen went against the went against D. That was generous to him telling his team let's be in the game and made the Broncos look like the interns the way he abused them. The game broke open when the offense dropped their Johnson on the table and challenged the Broncos to tie that. Ultimately, the Broncos shouldn't hold their heads down as they'll be doing bow tricks on it for the quarterback of the Future. The Bills 31, Broncos 7 and no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills. We head over to Philadelphia where Max was on the scene. We head to Philadelphia where wake up.
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Max
Elliott continues to sleep on the season as he missed another extra point and almost cost the Birds another game. Thankfully, King Bond took over the game when Jordan Love was seeing smoke so.
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Big Cat
He'S about to choke.
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Max
Then we took it for the oh big play. Ray Lemontagne had Philly fans saying you are the best thing. You're the best thing ever happened to me as he continued the pick parade with one of the best plays of the weekend, Nolan Smith and Weston shot off the line like a bullet all game long as he massacred the packers on his way to two sacks including one late.
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PFT Commenter
That's the other game.
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Max
Eagles 22, Packers 10 we go down.
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PFT Commenter
To Tampa, Florida where backwards hat Dan Quinjamin Button is looking younger the older he gets. Meanwhile, Todd Bowles was mixing up his left and his right like Hank trying to understand the political spectrum. And Mike, seven minutes in heavens, took Marshawn Lattihore into the closet and made out like a bandit, cooking the former Saints quarterback in the first half up and down the field and an early score. But Jaden Danielli was not going to be denied. With a band aid on his face covering a gash so deep Mike Tirico tried to grabbing a few cocktails. Mi amigo. Hola Mita Zacchaeus hold in some nice receptiones reminding the audience that it is Mexican, not Mex. I cannot Baker and the Bucks responded with a field goal drive of their own leading to insane in the membrane. Gonzalez pulling his hair out as he jogged onto the field and the goal post, said left hand up right as.
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Big Cat
The ball bounced off the right pole.
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PFT Commenter
And in as the Commanders win 23 to 20.
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Big Cat
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
So we have Texans 32, Chargers 12. I'd like to put my hand up real quick and say that I want to apologize to the Houston Texans because I was down on them and I think rightfully so at points in the season. And their offense, rightfully so. That Texans defense, holy shit, did they bring it on Saturday. They were so goddamn good. And not only were they so good, I thought that game was decided by the fact that the Chargers came out like basically a perfect start. The Chargers go down the field, kick a field goal, get the fumble on the very next play. And if the Texans defense doesn't play their balls off to start the game, if they give up a touchdown on the first drive, if they give up a touchdown after the fumble, that game could look totally different. But essentially, the Texans defense played so well early that they let C.J. stroud and that offense find a rhythm to a point where they were able to. To. To win that game. So, like, that was just that the Texans defense was just so good.
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PFT Commenter
They were good. They're all. Their cornerbacks were good, especially Derek Stingley. Oh, yeah, Stingley was a problem. Will Anderson was very, very good, too. Yep, we have slept on the Texans defense. Yeah, I think it's been under the assumption that they're not a great team. Like, overall, when we've been talking about them, we haven't been talking about them like they're a very good team because they're, they haven't blown out bad teams. They've played in close games all year long. They haven't really shown us flashes on offense, but their defense has been good and their defense was very good against the Chargers, who they were the team that was supposed to have the suffocating defense going into It. And then if you go up, if you dominate the first part of the game and you go up six to nothing on your field goals, that when we talked about, like, if you go up, if you kick a field goal to go up six points in a game, it feels like the other team always comes down and scores again. It felt like you were. You were losing the game having only gotten six points out of those. Those two incredible drives.
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Big Cat
Yeah. We were watching it being like. If you're a Chargers fan, you have to feel very uneasy right now because you have had every lucky bounce to start this game and everything's gone your way and you're only up six nothing. And then the game completely switched on. The fumbled snap that CJ Stroud had, scrambles out of the pocket, makes an incredible play, hits a bomb down the field, like 34 yards.
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PFT Commenter
That was like that play that Ben Johnson tried to get Jared Goff to run.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
He said, can you intentionally fumble it? Because it throws the whole defense off. They. They get off what their normal schedule is and the routine is right, and then it can open stuff up. This was not intentional. This is a mistake. But it opened everything up downfield. And then all of a sudden. Yeah, like you're saying, it's. The whole offense looked different.
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Big Cat
Right. And that was the end of the half. And they. If they get. If they get a. If that ends up being a fumble or like cedar shroud falls on the ball, the Chargers get the ball back. They can maybe drive. They're up six nothing. They go into halftime instead that like some. Something happened there where it woke up the Texans offense because then they go on the. They get a touchdown, then they force a three and out and they get another three points. So now it's 10, 6 at halftime in a half where you're like, everything that could have gone wrong for the Texans went wrong and the Chargers are somehow down. And then the second half was just an absolute. Like, that was. I. I've retired chargering because of Jim Harbaugh and the culture he's built. That was chargering.
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PFT Commenter
Was it chargering?
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Big Cat
I mean, they. The pick six. Like everything just fell apart all at once.
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PFT Commenter
I feel like Chargering would be a little bit closer at the end. This was.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I think the Chargers ran into an acute case of building their entire offense out of Vlad McConkey.
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Big Cat
Yeah. So about that. And we. We have to have a Justin herbert conversation. But lad. McConkey was incredible. And the rest of the Chargers offense was not LAB. McConkey had 197 yards. The other wide receivers had 45 and, and tight ends. LAB McConkey had one touchdown when Justin Herbert was throwing a. LAB McConkey had 1 touchdown, 1 interception, was throwing to anyone else. He had 0 touchdowns, 3 interceptions. He was 60% completion percentage to LAD, 29% to everyone else. 13 yards per per pass to Laddie, 2.6 to everyone else. And LAD had 8 first downs and everyone else had one. It was one. One that's passing. They just couldn't do anything that wasn't lad McConkey. And honestly, like, look, I mean we should talk Justin Herbert if that Lab McConkey touchdown doesn't happen. That stat line is one of the all time worst stat. It was already a bad stat, but it was like that at least gave him 80 yards and a touchdown.
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PFT Commenter
And was it the pick six that bounced off Will Disley? So that one wasn't on. On Justin Herbert, but the other ones were.
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Big Cat
So he had, he had four interceptions. One was not his. The. I think the worst one by far was the first one because it was 6 nothing. First half, CJ Stroud throws an interception and the very next play, Justin Herbert tries to throw across his body across the field and like, you just can't. I don't know what he was doing there. And then he had the one where he overthrew Laddie and then I can't remember, I can't remember what the last. But he, he was bad. He was really bad and his offensive line didn't help him. But like, Justin Herbert has been in the playoffs twice now. He is. He was 14 for 32 with four interceptions on Saturday. The other game he was in the playoffs, they blew a 27 nothing lead. It's not good. Yeah, I still would take him, but it's not good.
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PFT Commenter
Big Cat, this stat, is it a. Is it a bad stat? Is it a good stat or is a bad stat that actually is kind of good? If you read it the wrong way.
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Big Cat
Okay.
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PFT Commenter
Justin Herbert is now the only player in NFL history to throw more interceptions in a playoff game than he had interceptions during the entire regular season.
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Big Cat
Okay, I think that is officially a bad, good stat.
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PFT Commenter
I think it's a bad stat that's good if you're a loser.
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Big Cat
Yeah, it's a bad stat right now actually it'll be a bad stat. When you look back at the season, if you're like he. Remember that season you only threw three interceptions.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
You just hope that the person you're talking to isn't like. But what about the Playoff. We're through four.
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PFT Commenter
Then what? So they must have won the super bowl, right?
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Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. You just hope that the person doesn't have that locked and loaded.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Because you can get away with being like, justin Herbert actually only threw three interceptions in a season.
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PFT Commenter
Here's the take. Three interceptions is not enough interceptions.
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Big Cat
I agree.
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PFT Commenter
That's not enough interceptions.
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Big Cat
You got to throw a few.
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PFT Commenter
You have to have more interceptions than that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's. It shines a light on how well he played and how the Chargers formula during the regular season was play mistake free football, play tough defense, and then somehow you win the game.
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Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
And in this game, it didn't work out. And he did not play mistake free football by a long shot. He was, to be fair to Justin Herbert, they hit the out of him a lot.
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Big Cat
They hit the out of him. And Greg Roman, I think he only called 16 runs, which again, that goes back to the Texans defense. Texans defense up front. And, and I mean, Singletary, Kamari, Lasser, like, they all were balling, but like, that. He had no time. He. They were suffocating, like, as bad as Justin. I know that the conversation wants to be about Justin Herbert because that's what we do. We talk about quarterbacks. I don't think you could talk about Justin Herbert without at first saying, like, hey, dude, credit to the Texans defense, because that was a lot of them. And like, just Justin Herbert played bad, but it was also the Texans defense playing out of this world good.
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PFT Commenter
I think people are frustrated with Justin Herbert because this gets really into, like, the sports media ecosystem.
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Big Cat
Correct.
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PFT Commenter
Here I'm gonna, I'm gonna be the. The Justin Herbert. I'm gonna be the say something bad about Justin Herbert guy.
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Big Cat
Okay?
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PFT Commenter
You guys talk about him like he's won three Super Bowls. He hasn't won a playoff game. But, you guys, we're supposed to think Justin Herbert is the second coming of Jesus Christ and Tom Brady. Yeah, but your golden boy hasn't won a playoff game. He just threw four interceptions. He sucks.
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Big Cat
He sucks.
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PFT Commenter
He played a very bad game. At some point, the expectations, if he is like your entire offense and if he's supposed to be, you know, a great quarterback, that's gonna be worthy of a huge extension. You would like for him to play way, way better in the playoffs.
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Big Cat
I think he already got his extension.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, but worthy of that? Yeah, yeah, worthy. That money and all the cap that's going to be tied up in him.
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Big Cat
I'll say this right now, and this isn't me defending Justin Herbert because he was terrible on Saturday. I will buy all the Justin Herbert stock.
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PFT Commenter
Right now is a great time.
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Big Cat
I will buy all of it. If you think that he is just like, a terrible quarterback, that's fine. I still think he's pretty good. I would like to see him with maybe some more weapons other than just lab McConkey. This also is like a perspective game where the Chargers were not supposed to probably be in the playoffs this year, given the roster and, like, the overturn and the rebuild and everything. So it's like, it's hard in the moment to say you like you. It feels like you're defending Justin Herbert. I'm not trying to defend him. I'm more like, they, they overachieved this year. Like, they, they overachieved. They, they probably weren't going to be a playoff team if you looked at it going into the season. And they overachieved to get to this point. And they overachieved so much that everyone had them as a favorite. And I thought they were going to win this game. So it's like, you know, I thought, I bet on them. I win the Super Bowl. Like, I, I, I was drinking the Kool Aid. So it's almost like they're a little bit of a victim of their own success in that respect.
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PFT Commenter
Here's how Justin Herbert works for me. When I hear somebody saying this guy, when I hear somebody, like, sucking his dick, I'm like, let's pump the brakes. He hasn't really done anything right. When I hear somebody, like, sharpening their knife and being like, this guy's a bum, I'm like, actually, he's really good.
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Big Cat
Yeah. It's, it's basically a microcosm for the world right now.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Like, if you live on an extreme where you're like, justin Herbert's actually the best quarterback in the NFL, it's like, dude, no. And then if you say that you'd rather have anyone else besides Justin Herb, you're like, all right, you're an idiot. Because Justin Herbert's good.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
He's, it's everything in the world right now.
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PFT Commenter
He's very good.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I wouldn't say great. And with C.J. stroud, maybe, maybe his rookie season, kind of fast forward through everything, because usually when you get a rookie quarterback who's good, he goes into, like, a game manager phase.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And he just doesn't turn the ball. Just take care of the ball. You don't have to make these incredible throws downfield. Just be Safe and let's move the ball. And offense rely on our defense. But we didn't get that his, his rookie year. It was like, CJ's going to go out there and he's going to be special and they're going to figure out a way to win. And now watching how they played against the Chargers, that is a formula for these Texans.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Is to play great defense and then just be very, very, almost conservative on offense.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Because I mean, he, he started the game bad and he like, you can't turn the ball over. And he did. He had that one interception early. But again, it was the, the Texans defense allowing CJ Stroud to find his rhythm where he eventually did find his rhythm. And he actually did a really good job running the ball too. Yeah, there was a few times where he made some big plays with his feet and yeah, I, Texas, I don't want to do. I see. This is what we always do though, with wild card weekend is I always sell myself on the team. I just watched win a playoff game because I'm like, well, dude, they just won a playoff game. That's really fucking good. That's hard to do. But they're also. And they're like, the Chiefs haven't done anything in these playoffs.
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PFT Commenter
That's true.
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Big Cat
So they haven't scored points. Damn, that looks good. The Texans next week, no intercept. They're proven.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. No points. So if you were to have the, the Texans playing against the Bills or the Ravens, what would your thought be about that game?
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Big Cat
Texans playing? Yeah, I'd be like, they get killed.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. The Chiefs are, Remember, the Chiefs are just as good, if not better, probably better. They are better than the. Statistically better than the Bills or the Ravens. So just remember that.
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Big Cat
I'm happy that they've only. We only have one buy now because this used to be my biggest problem when we had two buys and I would do that for two games, I'd be like, well, this la. This team just won a playoff game. But I, I just, I, I really did walk away from this game being like, I, I apologize for sleeping on how good this Texas defense is. And if CJ Stroud again can have time to like, get in a rhythm in the game and, and not have to do it all himself because that, that game could have been 14 nothing in a, in a blink of an eye if that Texans defense doesn't stand up. And, and it could have been 14 nothing with the Chargers having the ball off of CJ Stroud pick and it would have been like well, this is. There's just no chance they're coming. Obvious passing down. Instead they flipped it and then Joe Mixon, who they brought in for these type of situations, was incredible in the second. He had 91 yards in the second half. He was the closer. Yeah, they basically like that, that end of the game when the Texans. Oh, it was the, the, the blocked extra point where Dicker got absolutely smoked. Yeah, but that was a moment where you're like, okay, this is when they're lining up for that extra point. It could have been a 10 point game in the fourth quarter and they block the extra point, they go, they get that two point. But then the Texans are like, no, we'll just run Joe Mixon down your throat and you won't get the ball back.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's a game manager formula.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Strong running game, good defense. Don't make a mistake. The block, the blocked extra point that was returned. You have to. At some point, the special teams coach needs to go over that scenario. Yeah, right. Like if the kick is blocked behind the line of scrimmage and it comes to you, it's not. You didn't just throw a forward pass. You're not like Peyton Manning, who's disgusted and just does the most unathletic bat down of all time. You got, you got to catch that thing.
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Big Cat
Well, it was doubly bad for Dicker because I think he was. I think part of him batting it down was like, I don't want to get jacked up.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
And he batted it down and still got jacked up.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, he took a shot.
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Big Cat
Just catch it and just get jacked.
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PFT Commenter
Up right in the chin.
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Hank
Were you gonna say Hank, the Nickelodeon broadcast?
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah, I was gonna get to that. I wrote that. I have, I have a fun stat for Texans fans. Since 2002, when the Texans were founded as a, as a franchise, they have more playoff wins than the Dallas Cowboys.
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PFT Commenter
That is very fun.
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Big Cat
They have six and the Dallas Cowboys have four.
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PFT Commenter
That's very fun.
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Big Cat
Gotta really piss off Jerry Jones.
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PFT Commenter
The Texans are 6 and 2 in the Houston Texans time slot.
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Hank
Yeah, I was wrong.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank
People were mad at me.
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Big Cat
What do you mean?
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PFT Commenter
I said that they always lose.
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Big Cat
They always know they do. And they're actually in the time slot again next week.
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PFT Commenter
They are against the Chiefs, as is tradition.
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Big Cat
The. The. Also Joe Mixon. One last thing about Joe Mixon. The. Yeah, he. He was smoking on that Rex Ryan pack after the game in the locker room, which is very funny because he. I guess Rex Ryan said that it was Basically a buy for the Chargers.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
So he was having fun with that Rex Ryan.
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PFT Commenter
He's given bulletin board material to teams. He's not a coach.
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Big Cat
Can I just say that Rex Ryan, like, just chill out, dude. The way he's like, every. Everything he's doing now is coming across as desperate. Like memes. Do you not agree? He. On Countdown this morning. I tuned in for a minute and they were talking about the variable hire, and he's like, hopefully I get a chance to kick his ass twice. Twice a year. Like, he's just begging for the job. Yeah. And I. I think there's like zero percent chance. Yeah. So it's even more pathetic.
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PFT Commenter
This is like crazy ex. This is crazy Rex girlfriend.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
He's being very, very emotional. And it's like, okay, Rex, you're coming on a little bit too strong, buddy.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Just chill out. Just. Just calm down a little bit. Let the process happen. You need to go. Go coach high school or something. Well, it's just. It's a very funny, like, thought to have where I don't know what. I know what he's thinking. Like, hey, if I say. If I say these things on Countdown, maybe Brick Johnson is watching and he's like, oh, shit, we didn't think about Rex. Rex Ryan.
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PFT Commenter
He might actually be thinking, if I go viral enough, Brick will see this.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Like, if enough people tweet about Rex Ryan, jets head coach, maybe.
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PFT Commenter
And he might not be wrong.
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Big Cat
I guess that. I mean, Providence Twitter did tweet enough about Ed Cooley leaving Georgetown that he had to answer questions about it. So that could happen. But yeah, the Nickelodeon broadcast before that.
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Hank
Also, I was gonna say Joe Mixon said this team reminds him of the Bengals team. I think it was. Same record, same. Same spot. Young quarterback beat the Chiefs.
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Big Cat
Interesting.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Okay. I. I think the second would be live in the game. I still think the Chiefs are a more well balanced.
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PFT Commenter
I would agree with that.
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Big Cat
And also you're giving Andy Reid, I mean, what, 25 days to prepare. Yeah, I guess it's only a week to, you know, he. He did some scouting on both teams, but I'm sure they'll have a way to figure out this Texans defense.
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PFT Commenter
Now, does this continue the stat that we brought up earlier this season that every team that has played both the Harbaugh brothers went one and one against the Harbaugh brothers because they got.
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Big Cat
Texans did. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
They got beat by the. By the Ravens.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And then won against the Chargers. I think that's every. Every coach that has played against Each Harbaugh brother.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Although I guess technically Antonio Pierce went 1 and 2 against the Harbaugh brothers.
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PFT Commenter
That's true.
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Big Cat
Because he lost to both gym, but that still counts. Yeah, they. They got a win in a loss. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
One and one minimum.
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Big Cat
Yeah, one and one minimum. I like that.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yeah. The Nickelodeon broadcast, we had no idea that we were gonna make it. We made it. Big Big Catfish and PF Manatee. It was literally the Leo meme. We were sitting in the gambling cave and we had the Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon broadcast up and we were just like, wait, what the. That's us.
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PFT Commenter
It happens from time to time when they're doing the game time commercial.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Where I'll, like, hear my voice from the other side of the room, be like, what? What was that? But this one, we had absolutely no idea was going to happen. We look up at it, and then Next up is LeBron James and Kevin. Was it Kevin?
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Max
Kev Finn Hart.
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PFT Commenter
Kevin Hart.
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Big Cat
Yeah. We were bigger than them.
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PFT Commenter
And then whoever Ice Spice was, that was. She was next.
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Big Cat
That was pretty cool.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
I mean, I had my kids watch it. They didn't fully understand it, but they were like, that's kind of cool. I was like, that's me. They're like, well, that's a fish. Like, well, no, but that's me. But, yeah. Thank you, Nickelodeon. And then they used our. They used our. The Spongebob quote from our interview with Jim Harbaugh in 2018.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
As like, here's some. Yeah. Wait, can you play it? This is. I think it was Adam Schefter's daughter introduced us.
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PFT Commenter
Yep.
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Big Cat
Check it out.
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PFT Commenter
Sports podcasters, big catfish and PF manatee are in the house. LeBron James is back, and this time he brought his friend Kev. Thin Heart and Ice Fish Spice is here. Ice Fish Spice. If they introduce us as podcasters, shouldn't we have been whales?
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Big Cat
I look tired as big catfish.
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PFT Commenter
They give you butthole eyes.
- [27:44]
Big Cat
Yeah, I'm not looking good.
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Max
It was also funny that they made Pft a manatee, but also still way smaller.
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PFT Commenter
Also smaller.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, that was tough.
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Big Cat
Oh, and then we also had our guy, Jim Harbaugh get captured by the Stinky Cloud. And Then that was 32 to 6 was the score after Jim Harbaugh got captured by the stinky cloud.
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PFT Commenter
Is that a real stat?
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Big Cat
That's a real stat.
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PFT Commenter
Is he still in the cloud?
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Big Cat
He might be.
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Max
He's a dirty bubble.
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Big Cat
Oh, dirty bubble. Sorry, sorry.
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PFT Commenter
What's the dirty spongebob?
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Max
Spongebob fans will get mad at You.
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Big Cat
Yeah, well, Sticky clouds. He acting. That got screwed up in my head. Dirty bubble. The dirty bubble captured Jim Harbaugh.
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PFT Commenter
What is the dirty bubble?
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Big Cat
Does anyone have an explanation? He's just a bubble that's dirty and he's evil.
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PFT Commenter
Okay, got it.
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Big Cat
Okay, so it's pretty literal.
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PFT Commenter
That's.
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Big Cat
Okay.
- [28:29]
PFT Commenter
That seems like it's not fair that they had. That they captured him in that.
- [28:33]
Big Cat
I agree.
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PFT Commenter
Like, you're only taking out one coach.
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Big Cat
I said it. When, When. When it came up on the screen. It showed him with, like, dirty all over him.
- [28:42]
PFT Commenter
That's up.
- [28:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
You can't do that to one coach.
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Hank
Did harbor win the mvp?
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PFT Commenter
Mvp?
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Big Cat
No, they gave it to the winner. The winning team. Yeah, we did stuff the ballot.
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PFT Commenter
So this year, the. They had a little disclaimer on the votes for MVP saying, for entertainment purposes only, look at that. As opposed to other years where it's definitely not supposed to be entertaining, but they made it seem like they would just give to whoever they wanted. I would like to think that if the Chargers won, Harbaugh would have gotten the mvp.
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Big Cat
I would. I would agree. I think we did enough voting. But, yeah, the dirty bubble. That's. We're gonna have to bring that up to him next time.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Because he'll be like, wait, seriously, I don't like that. He'll. He'll. He'll be upset about it. Yeah, look at that. The dirty bubble captured him. You can't. Spongebob rigged during a playoff game. I do love the Nickelodeon broadcast, though.
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PFT Commenter
It was cool having it up there. They really went all out with the slime this year.
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Big Cat
Do you guys have any problem with DJ Shark tweeting a picture of him being, like, now that long? 3 and a half months. Back to weed.
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PFT Commenter
Oh, no, I didn't see that.
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Big Cat
Yeah, it was. It was just. He was just holding a. A dog walker. A little. Little tiny joint. He was like, nice.
- [29:50]
PFT Commenter
I have a problem with it. I don't think it's cool.
- [29:53]
Big Cat
What do you mean?
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PFT Commenter
Like, it's. If you're really a big fan of weed, you. You probably wouldn't, like, post a picture of that. He's probably just being like, hey, guys, I smoke weed.
- [30:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [30:02]
PFT Commenter
Like, trying to make it seem like he's a cool guy who smokes, but maybe real. Real leaf heads know.
- [30:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [30:07]
PFT Commenter
That if you really fel. Need to post about it, you would just go spark up a dude.
- [30:11]
Big Cat
So he might be being like, I'm. I'm. So he. He captured it. Shout out my word. I can't say bud. Been along three and a half months, so maybe he's just letting everyone know, like, you can smoke me out again.
- [30:26]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, like I'm back. Yeah. Like I'm free to join the circle.
- [30:29]
Big Cat
Yeah. I got no problem with it.
- [30:31]
PFT Commenter
No. Like, from a standpoint of admitting that you smoke weed, I would never do such a thing because I'm not a drug guy. But for him, no problem with being like, I can't wait to smoke weed again. I just question posting it on social media.
- [30:43]
Big Cat
Like, yeah.
- [30:44]
PFT Commenter
Why? Why?
- [30:45]
Big Cat
He, he, he is kind of admitting, too, that he hadn't been smoking for three and a half months. So that's kind of cool.
- [30:50]
PFT Commenter
There you go. Good for him.
- [30:50]
Big Cat
Good job. Good do job, DJ Shark. So, I mean, the Charger season, overall success, even though, by the way, what do we think Justin Herbert's pregame speech was? It must have been terrible, right?
- [31:02]
PFT Commenter
No cameras. Well, not cameras.
- [31:04]
Big Cat
Ben Herbert, who is by far to keep cameras away. The report was that Justin Herbert has had his pregame speech taped the last, like, three weeks or something. And then this week for the playoff game, he had Ben Herbert make sure there were no cameras near him. That had to be a stinky. Stinky. Maybe it was the, the dirty cloud.
- [31:26]
PFT Commenter
It was a dirty cloud just came out of his mouth.
- [31:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [31:28]
PFT Commenter
Oh, yeah. I don't know what he said to him. I, I like the move, though. Just being like, no cameras, please.
- [31:32]
Big Cat
Yeah, the. I did see a funny meme that said that the, the draft. What. What draft was Herbert. 20.
- [31:39]
PFT Commenter
20, 2019. 2020.
- [31:41]
Big Cat
They called it the IF draft because it's like, if Tua could stay healthy if Justin Herbert had weapons and like, if the Bengals could make it into the playoffs.
- [31:51]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [31:52]
Big Cat
So it's all the if guys. Just hypotheticals everywhere.
- [31:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I can see that. I, I still think that the Chargers, they're on the upswing.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
They were in the downswing last year.
- [32:01]
Big Cat
It, It's. We're going to get to the Broncos, but, like, there were certain teams going into this. I think the, the, the thing that hurts more for the Chargers, they were favored in this game and, and I thought they were going to win. I think a lot of people thought they were going to win. So that hurts a little bit more that you went into a game that you thought was winnable and you just completely fell on your face. But you need, you need some weapons. Quinn Johnson had zero catches. Right.
- [32:24]
PFT Commenter
They'll get some weapons. I don't think he had a catch.
- [32:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. So.
- [32:27]
PFT Commenter
And no, Josh Palmer was, was a Big one for him.
- [32:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [32:30]
PFT Commenter
Like. Because he does stretch the field a little bit. They also didn't count on Aaron Foster.
- [32:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [32:34]
PFT Commenter
Aaron with a great. I. I hope they taped his pregame speech.
- [32:37]
Big Cat
Was scared of the cannons.
- [32:39]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [32:39]
Big Cat
You see that? It's very funny.
- [32:41]
PFT Commenter
I saw that.
- [32:42]
Big Cat
Those cannons are like. They will scare you. They. The. I don't know if it was like the. Was it just the air cannons before?
- [32:49]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I think it's just intros. Gunpowder.
- [32:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [32:53]
PFT Commenter
If you can handle Big T on a weekly basis, you should be able to handle Cannon.
- [32:56]
Big Cat
I'd agree. I agree. So do we think that the Texas. You. You think the Texans really have a chance?
- [33:02]
Hank
I do.
- [33:03]
Big Cat
You love the Texans. Yeah.
- [33:04]
Hank
I'm gonna take a money line, but.
- [33:06]
Big Cat
Just don't trick yourself into. They want a playoff game. That's what you're saying to yourself.
- [33:11]
Hank
And the Bengals thing.
- [33:12]
Big Cat
The Bengals thing got in your head.
- [33:14]
Hank
Joe Mixon, young quarterback, wild card team. I just hate the Chiefs, too. I don't want the Chiefs. I. Any other team but the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. I'm fine with literally any other team.
- [33:26]
PFT Commenter
And you're.
- [33:27]
Hank
It does not matter who.
- [33:28]
PFT Commenter
Your hatred of the Chiefs comes from a place of being a Patriots fan, where you want to keep them as far away from the dynasty that you had as possible.
- [33:36]
Hank
Yeah. And I just don't. It's not. They're just not. Yeah.
- [33:38]
Big Cat
That.
- [33:38]
Hank
Actually, that's.
- [33:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. You could say I want something new, but that's what it is.
- [33:43]
Hank
Yeah.
- [33:43]
Big Cat
Yeah. I have one last sad charger stat from stat hole. In the final 31 minutes of their last two play at playoff games. So, like, the final 31 minutes of their last playoff game. Final 31 minutes of Saturday, they've been outscored 63. 9.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's tough.
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Big Cat
That's really bad. That's really, really bad.
- [34:04]
PFT Commenter
That's not good.
- [34:05]
Big Cat
That's when you're supposed to win the playoff games.
- [34:07]
PFT Commenter
That's charging half. That's what that is.
- [34:09]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's. It's just. They were. They were just overwhelmed by the Texans defense and. Hank, I don't. The Chiefs are really good. Are they?
- [34:21]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yes. They won 15 games, but it could have been 10. But it also could have been 16 if they had played their starters.
- [34:31]
Hank
Rest versus Rust.
- [34:34]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [34:34]
Big Cat
Rest versus Russ. Okay. I. I don't have any counter to that.
- [34:37]
PFT Commenter
I do like that there's somebody that's brave enough to go out there and be like, the Chiefs aren't very good. I appreciate that about you.
- [34:43]
Hank
The Chiefs could lose this Game.
- [34:44]
Big Cat
They are.
- [34:45]
Hank
They're not.
- [34:45]
Big Cat
I agree with that.
- [34:46]
Hank
They're not as good as their record.
- [34:47]
Big Cat
Says they are, but they could be better.
- [34:50]
PFT Commenter
But the record. Their record is exactly what says how good they are.
- [34:53]
Big Cat
Wait. Yeah. Are you saying they're not as good as their record says they are? They. They actually should be better.
- [34:58]
Hank
No, I'm saying, like, you know, if you. If you stacked them up against the other teams that had similar records of over the course of history, like, they would be the worst ones.
- [35:06]
PFT Commenter
But you also have to remember that that Week 18 game was Carson Wentz. So that's what I'm saying. So they gave that one up.
- [35:12]
Big Cat
It could be 16.
- [35:13]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [35:14]
Big Cat
Could be 16 and one. Yeah.
- [35:17]
Hank
But they get the extra game, so it doesn't really matter. In terms of 15. 15 wins.
- [35:21]
Big Cat
They went 15 and one in your head.
- [35:22]
Hank
Yeah.
- [35:22]
Big Cat
In your record. Right. Yeah. Okay.
- [35:25]
PFT Commenter
There's like a curse of 15 win teams. It goes all the way back to the. The 1985 Bears. Like the 85 Bears were the last team, I think, to win 15 games.
- [35:34]
Big Cat
And then win the Super Bowl. Yeah. Because it was what, the 99 Vikings.
- [35:38]
PFT Commenter
That sounds right. Yeah.
- [35:39]
Big Cat
When they lost the NFC championship game.
- [35:41]
PFT Commenter
And I mean exactly 15 wins. I think there was a year where there might have been.
- [35:45]
Big Cat
No to this year.
- [35:48]
PFT Commenter
There might have been another one.
- [35:49]
Big Cat
Yeah. There hasn't been a ton.
- [35:52]
PFT Commenter
Let's see, 15 win teams. NFL history.
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Big Cat
I know the Vikings, the Steelers. Steelers lost Big Ben's rookie season, if I. If I'm correct.
- [36:01]
PFT Commenter
Correct. 2000. So 1998 Vikings lost in the NFC championship game.
- [36:06]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [36:06]
PFT Commenter
2004 Steelers lost in the AFC championship. 2011. Packers lost in the NFC divisional 2015, Panthers lost the Super Bowl.
- [36:16]
Big Cat
Okay, so it has been 40 years. 15 win teams are bad.
- [36:22]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [36:22]
Big Cat
Okay. All right, Maybe I'm with you now, Hank. You've swung me. That was some deep analytics. You've got me. That's right. Yeah.
- [36:29]
PFT Commenter
Really good teams are sometimes. Sometimes don't win the Super Bowl.
- [36:33]
Big Cat
Happens almost every year.
- [36:34]
PFT Commenter
Could have shortened it to that.
- [36:35]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right. Saturday night. Ravens 28, Steelers 14. This was just an ass kicking. This was an absolute ass kicking. This was a Lamar master class. This was a Derrick Henry master class. The Ravens said fuck you to the Steelers. They did fuck you football for four quarters. I know that. The Steelers did score twice, but they had 299 rushing yards. And the first half, the game was over. It was. It felt over. After the Steelers punted on their first possession and the Ravens got it on. I think the five yard line and went 13 plays, 95 yards on and a touchdown that was like, oh, no, this is a problem. But it was really over on the next time the Ravens scored a touchdown when they went 13 plays, 85 yards. Every single one of those plays was a run, scored a touchdown, and then they scored at the end of the first half and it was just like, this is. This is as bad as it gets. The Ravens are just. They're just so good.
- [37:41]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [37:41]
Big Cat
And Lamar's so good that. That Lamar touchdown at the end of the first half where he just bought himself like 18 seconds of time and found Justice Hill.
- [37:50]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. All cool, cool, calm and collected back there as everybody was trying to like. I don't. T.J. watt, he hasn't been playing that well in the last, like two months. And if you're going to beat the Ravens, you have to have TJ Do. He has to have like two takeaways on his own.
- [38:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [38:03]
PFT Commenter
He has to have a punch and then he's got to get a strip sack that he recovers. And TJ Has. I think in the last month, he hasn't. He might not have had a tackle. Tackle.
- [38:11]
Big Cat
I think I saw the stat. It was like 127 snaps. No tackles, no pressures.
- [38:16]
PFT Commenter
Here we go. Last 127 snaps of his 20, 24 season. Zero tackles, zero assists, zero sacks. And what they had him doing on defense was whenever they would run the read option, he would always tackle the ball. Running the running back.
- [38:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [38:31]
PFT Commenter
And that was his job. And it left these huge gaps to the side which somebody should fill if you're drawing up this defense. But there were some times where they just didn't fill that gap. And so Lamar just kept it and waltzed.
- [38:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [38:42]
PFT Commenter
And it was like nobody within five yards of him for most of his run until the very end. And it was. It was a very confusing defensive scheme.
- [38:51]
Big Cat
Derrick Henry's Lightning McQueen. That's what Lamar said afterwards.
- [38:54]
PFT Commenter
Oh, I like that.
- [38:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. He was like, yeah, he looked like Lightning McQueen when he had that 50 yard touchdown.
- [38:59]
PFT Commenter
I'm telling you, Derek Henry with the short hair, that is championship mentality to take a, like, growth of braids that you've been working on for how long? 10 years.
- [39:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [39:09]
PFT Commenter
I'd be like, you know what it. Chop it off.
- [39:11]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [39:11]
PFT Commenter
I feel like that. That's a good mindset to have.
- [39:13]
Big Cat
Yeah. And I mean, the Ravens are just like a complete team. Full, full, like everything. They're, you know, their defense. We talked about it with Orlovsky on Friday that you Know their, their past defense has been completely changed when Kyle Hamilton moved back and their offense is just, I mean Zay Flowers didn't play in this game.
- [39:32]
PFT Commenter
They didn't need him.
- [39:32]
Big Cat
Lamar was, was still perfect and he killed him with his legs early killed like whenever he had to pass he would find someone. It was just, it was just a, a good reminder that in the afc like there are the haves and the have nots in this, in these playoffs and like the, the Ravens are the halves. Like this team is a Super bowl championship level team and they do have to play possibly two other teams that are in that level which is unfortunate. But like, like they're just so good and so complete them.
- [40:03]
PFT Commenter
And the Bills would have to beat three super bowl championship teams.
- [40:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [40:07]
PFT Commenter
Super bowl this year.
- [40:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [40:08]
PFT Commenter
It would be like the hardest super bowl road ever for well those team.
- [40:11]
Big Cat
Unless the Texans. But then the Texans would technically be a Super bowl level team if they beat the Chiefs.
- [40:16]
PFT Commenter
But yeah, if that happens then we will go back and retroactively act like we said what Hank was saying all along.
- [40:21]
Big Cat
Yes.
- [40:21]
PFT Commenter
And the Chiefs were the worst 15 win team of all time.
- [40:24]
Big Cat
Lamar also has the most career rushing yards in the playoffs by a QB and he's only played I think seven playoff games.
- [40:31]
PFT Commenter
That's just pretty good.
- [40:32]
Big Cat
He is with his feet and again it's not like he was. He, he was killing him with his feet. He was also killing him with his arm. He was just playing a complete game.
- [40:39]
PFT Commenter
You have to say if you look at the Ravens, they are as close to a complete team as you can get with the exception maybe they're kicking game.
- [40:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [40:48]
PFT Commenter
Would you say that they're so good. They're so good right now that Justin Tucker might be their biggest weakness?
- [40:53]
Big Cat
Yeah. And they didn't have to kick.
- [40:55]
PFT Commenter
That's a good spot to be in.
- [40:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. So we should talk about the Steelers. Mike Tomlin. The Steelers. The Steelers are now eight year playoff drought. Playoff wind drought. Sorry. That is the longest. That's actually double the previous longest in Steelers history since they kind of became the Steelers in 1972 when they were, you know, starting to win Super Bowls and stuff. The longest they had gone without a playoff one was four years previously. They are. Mike Tomlin is now. So he started his first four years in Pittsburgh. He was five and two in the playoffs. He's three and nine since. And in these, the eight year drought he's 06 in the playoffs and they've given up 230 points. So Mike Tomlinson bad. I. He's a great coach. I do think that it probably is time to move on to something different.
- [41:54]
PFT Commenter
You think move on from Mike Tomlin? The Steelers aren't going to do it though.
- [41:58]
Big Cat
Okay, so I've thought about this and I went, I was reading articles and stuff last night cause I couldn't sleep and I was just like. Because I want to understand because from the outside we've had this conversation. The outside. The low of the Steelers season is getting to the playoffs, which almost every other fan base or a lot of fan bases would be like, fucking sign me up. Like, Mike Tomlin never had a losing season. That's what people say. There is a point though where it feels like the message is getting lost and there isn't growth. And you can point to the fact that they haven't had an answer at quarterback probably since, you know, the last three years of Ben, Kenny, Russ. Like they haven't had a great quarterback. So they haven't been playing at the offensive level. You need to play it to win playoff games. And I would agree with that. But also they invest everything in their defense. And here's the six game losing streak for the Steelers. You ready for. This is a crazy stat. Before the Steelers scored their first offensive touchdown. In these six games that Mike Tomlin has lost in a row, the patriots are up 10 nothing. The Jaguars are up 21 nothing. The Browns are up 28 nothing. The Chiefs were up 35 seven. Shout out your T.J. watt bet. The Bills were up 21 nothing. The, the Ravens were up 21 nothing. So as much as you want to say offense, their defense has also failed them in the playoffs. And their defense has every single, every single year basically like regressed as the season's gone along. And I don't like, I, I, I think I side with the Steelers fans. Like he's done a great job. You're not saying he's a bad coach, but sometimes the message gets lost and you have to change something. You have to shake something up. Because it's actually almost like a curse to have Mike Tomlin as your coach still. Because you're never bad enough to pick at the top of the draft to get a franchise quarterback.
- [43:51]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [43:52]
Big Cat
And then you invest in defense and you can't really win. Like you can't win in today's NFL without an offense.
- [43:57]
PFT Commenter
I think that also their, their defense, by the time they get to the playoffs with these like just crazy, boring, substandard offenses.
- [44:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [44:04]
PFT Commenter
By the time they get there, their defense is sick of having to carry the team Their defense is exhaust from somehow scrapping together a playoff team.
- [44:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Getting enough wins to get in that by the time you get there and you have to play against another really good team, then they're. They're just too gas. They're too tired from having to do it week in and week out.
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Big Cat
And you can't. So the, the other part about Mike Tomlin is you can't say, well, oh, the offense stinks because we don't have a quarterback, we don't have this, we don't have that. Mike Tomlin has ultimate power in Pittsburgh. He signs off on every single draft pick. He signs off on every coaching hire. The other thing, I found the rabbit hole. I didn't realize this was an argument that goes in Steelers community, which I kind of feel like is a fair argument. Mike Tomlin basically has no coaching tree. And you'd say, well, what the fuck does that matter? That, like, who cares about a coaching tree? But it does kind of say that he's hiring older coaches that maybe aren't. Like, he's not. He hasn't been cultivating, like, young, innovative guys that are doing things differently, like a Ben Johnson or, you know, like a Sean McVay or Mike McDaniel or like some of these guys Kyle Shanahan's coach drew. Like some of these guys who are, who are just spitting out young innovators of the game. Mike Tomlin has not done that essentially for his entire. Like, I looked at it, Bruce Arians is kind of the only one you could throw out there, and he already was on staff under Bill Cower. So it's like, I think there's a, like, his way is an old school way that I think might be outdated and is hurting the Steelers and they have to figure out a way to move on from him.
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PFT Commenter
He does love old guys.
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Big Cat
He loves old guys.
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PFT Commenter
Dick LeBeau was his, his defensive coordinator for. It felt like decades.
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Big Cat
Right. So that's part of the. The, like, he hasn't.
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PFT Commenter
But he also goes out and he gets old. He.
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Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
He imports old guys. So like Danny Smith, there's special teams coach that's always chewing on gum on the sidelines. Brought him in Todd Haley after he.
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Big Cat
Got fired by the Chiefs.
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PFT Commenter
Arthur Smith.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Like, great coach. Great coach. But like, he, he. He gets guys and they. It's not like Todd Haley didn't go and, and he didn't go to Pittsburgh and then go off and be like, I think he's coaching high school football now. I know he went to Cleveland. First stop, Matt Canada. Like where is, where is he? I don't even know.
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PFT Commenter
Some different country.
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Big Cat
Yeah, I don't know. So I, I, I honest, it's a hard, it's like a hard one to, to figure out because again, you don't want to. Mike Tomlin would get a job right away somewhere else, you know.
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PFT Commenter
You know what really happened though? If you look at the stats, the defense has been very, very good for the Steelers in the playoffs until a certain event happened and then their playoff defense was permanently broken.
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Big Cat
What was that?
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PFT Commenter
That event was the 2017 playoffs.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Blake Bortles hung 45 on him. Yeah, they lost 45, 42, which it wasn't that close.
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Big Cat
It was a lot of garbage.
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PFT Commenter
It was a lot of, a lot of. Yeah, it was a back door. 42.
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Big Cat
Yep.
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PFT Commenter
Is what they got. So they gave up 45 points in the previous playoff. They gave up 12 points, 16 points. And then the New England Patriots in 2016 put 36 on them. That's, that's forgivable. Yeah, but their defense was still, still legit at that point. Then 45 points. Then in 2020 they gave up 48, then 42, then 31 and now 28. This was actually the, the least amount of points that the Steelers have given up in a playoff game since 2017. Excuse me, 2016.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Their last playoff win. Yeah, yeah, they, yeah. Blake portals broke them.
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PFT Commenter
Blake Bortles broke them.
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Big Cat
I just, I, again, I don't know why I thought about it for so long last night. But, but it, there you see this sometimes where a coach will get fired, it's not because he's like bad, it's because the message and like you're kind of going in the same direction over and over. You know what I mean? Like you're not, you're just not progressing forward and you're kind of stuck in this rut and that's what the Steelers feel like right now. It's not saying, oh, Mike Thomas never had a losing season and if he got fired tomorrow, he would have a job the next day. I, I, I don't disagree with either of those statements, but it's just not working anymore. And what are the, what's the fix like? Are they going to resign, Russ? I don't think so.
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PFT Commenter
I don't know.
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Big Cat
He did not look good.
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PFT Commenter
He did not. No. He had that nice deep ball to Georgie. Besides that, not a lot. Justin Fields, I don't think he's the long term answer.
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Big Cat
Right. We can do Aaron Rodgers, which is another one year fix.
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PFT Commenter
So Band Aid Coach Gruden was saying he would take Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones would be intriguing just because his point was like, if you look at all the other players that the Giants gotten rid of or not brought back, they all go somewhere else and play very well.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank
He spent so much time in such a great room.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah, he's in a great room.
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Hank
Talked about that room.
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Big Cat
Yeah. So would you, Would you, what Would you. And, and obviously Mike Tomlin's not going to get fired and he also is not going to get traded because he has a no trade clause.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
So if, if he, if he wanted to get like, he would never allow himself to get traded because he could just be like, why would I go somewhere and give up draft capital? Why wouldn't I just quit and then just go pick my next job?
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PFT Commenter
Okay. So I think I have an idea for what they could do. How much does it cost to trade for the franchise tag? Is it two first rounders?
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Big Cat
I believe so.
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PFT Commenter
That's almost the perfect situation if you're the Steelers, because you're always picking in the mid to late teens.
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Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
So you're never going to be in a position where you can draft a quarterback with Mike Tomlin.
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Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
Where, you know, a lot of teams, if they are in the midst of what they feel like is a rut, they're usually one of the worst teams in the league. So that's not an option for the Steelers. Two, like 18 overall picks or 17 overall picks for Sam Darnold. I think I might do that if the Vikings tag him.
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah. But then, and Sam Donald's not with Kevin O'Connell anymore.
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PFT Commenter
Do you have a better idea? I don't, I don't, I don't. The best one I can come up with is if he gets tagged, trade for Sam Darnold. I think Arthur Smith can get something good out of Sam.
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Big Cat
I, I, I do too. I, I honestly think though, the fix in, in Mike Tomlin's coming back. So this is all kind of, we're just, it's going to be a hot topic. But I think Shefter even reported like his job's not in jeopardy, like the Steelers should figure out a way to move on and suck for a year or two. You know what I mean? Like, they're kind, they're in this no man's land where they're just good enough to make the playoffs and they're not going to get a franchise quarterback and they're just going to keep spinning the wheels right now like they, they weren't close in this game.
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PFT Commenter
No.
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Big Cat
And, like, that was. And you could make the case for the Chargers or the Broncos. Like, they have young quarterbacks. They're building something. They're on the ascent here. Like, they're going to maybe hopefully get to that top level of the afc. The Steelers are not on the ascent. They're in the same spot they've been every year.
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PFT Commenter
Well, you say they don't show any signs of growth. George Pickens would disagree with you.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
He said he's seen signs of growth from the offense, and then the reporter asked him, does that make you optimistic going forward? And he said, nah.
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Big Cat
Nah, that's good.
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PFT Commenter
It's good to acknowledge that growth is not always good.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Sometimes it's okay to not grow.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Also, I saw a stat. Steelers Last lead was December 8th. So last five games, they didn't have a single lead in the game.
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PFT Commenter
Over a month.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Five games played, not a single lead.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. It's hard.
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Big Cat
I just don't. Do you think Russ is. Where. What. Like, what's gonna happen to Russ?
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PFT Commenter
He's probably gonna show up to the facility and give everybody pep talk.
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Big Cat
Yeah. That was funny last night when he was. He was doing a pep talk, and. And Jerry was just like, yeah, that guy doesn't even play.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
But I. I. He's. He's done, right?
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PFT Commenter
I think so. I don't. I don't know why you would pay Russ Wilson what Russell Wilson thinks he should be paid.
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Big Cat
Right. Maybe you pay him, and you're like, maybe you pay him $1 million, and you're like, for every pass you complete over the middle of the field, we'll give you another million dollars.
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PFT Commenter
Y. Yeah.
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Big Cat
It's like, so you could earn up to $5 million this year.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Incentives for just not. Not talking to people at practice.
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Big Cat
Yeah. You got to get creative.
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PFT Commenter
There's no good solution for them. And again, it feels kind of weird to feel bad for a franchise or feel bad for fans of a franchise that are perennially in the playoffs.
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Big Cat
They have six Super Bowls.
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PFT Commenter
Six Super Bowls. But I. I understand the frustration.
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Big Cat
Right. I totally get it. You were just stuck in absolute purgatory, which is kind of hard to do in the NFL like that. It happens in the NBA. It can happen other sports. It's hard. Like, in the NFL, you're kind of either good or bad. They're just right in the middle.
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PFT Commenter
And also, Steelers fans kind of saw this coming in late September.
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Like, you knew exactly how the rest of the season was going to Play out.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. And, and it's, and it had just enough intrigue this year where you had like a 4 and 2 starter and Justin Fields, you'd be like, what is he doing? And then you ripped off all those wins and then you didn't. You haven't led since December 8th.
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PFT Commenter
We did give a lot of credit to Mike Tomlin for making that change.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Which took some balls.
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Big Cat
He's a very good coach. I just don't think that it's working anymore in Pittsburgh.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
And, and Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches, and I think he just signed an extension last year, so they're not going to fire him. But, yeah, I, I, I, I thought about it a lot because I feel like Steelers fans, this is going to be the talk in Pittsburgh. So I wanted to give at least a little hat tip to, like, discussing what everyone's going to be talking about in Pittsburgh. But, yeah, the Ravens are just, they're on a different level. Yeah. They play that game 100 times. The Ravens win 100 times.
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PFT Commenter
Ravens are insane. They can do anything they want on offense.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Even without saf.
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Big Cat
Yeah. And I'm so excited for that matchup.
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PFT Commenter
Next week that I, I'm very excited, too, but I've never been more confused about a game like how it's going to shake out. I have no idea.
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Big Cat
Yeah. We were talking about just not even betting the game. Just rooting for football.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Just enjoying it.
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Big Cat
It's going to be enjoyable.
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PFT Commenter
I think I'll probably end up betting for touchdown scores on each team.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Just having fun. Having a good time. Watching the game.
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PFT Commenter
I'm going to bet on the boys.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Also, the Ravens only had three penalties, which that's significant because it looks like they can, they can play buttoned up. Is Zay Flowers going to come back game?
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PFT Commenter
I don't know. I, I read a report last week saying that if he doesn't play this game, he should be back in time for the next round. But I don't know. I don't think. I don't think they really know either.
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Big Cat
Okay. All right, let's take a pumped.
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PFT Commenter
Is Stavi right now?
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the re. The Ravens like this. This is going to be the Bills, Chiefs and Ravens. All three of those teams have super bowl contending teams, and only one of them is going to make it out.
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Hank
Whoever wins that game has to beat the Texans.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yeah, you're right. Well, they'll have a whole plan.
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Hank
Somehow the Chiefs can win that.
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Big Cat
If the Chiefs can pull an upset on the Texans, then I guess you have to beat the Chiefs.
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Hank
Yeah, but they have to.
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Big Cat
They have to. They have to. Okay, let's take a break and then we'll get to Sunday's game. Okay. Before we get to Sunday's games, we're brought to you by our friends at Apple. The mind bending office thriller. Severance returns to Apple TV for a new season on January 17th. Created by Ben Stiller and Dan Erickson, the All Star cast is back with some exciting new additions. Severance focuses on the employees of Lumen Industries, which uses a procedure called Severance, surgically dividing their memories between their work and personal lives. Coming off the explosive season one finale, Mark, played by Adam Scott, dives deeper into the mysteries of what Lumen is up to. Do they know what really happened to his wife, Jemma? The new season of the hit show promises to be bigger and crazier, with even more exciting twists than the first stream. The new season of severance January 17th exclusively on Apple TV. We're also brought to you by a new sponsor. Very excited about this one. Doritos. After announcing the return of the legendary Crash the Super bowl contest, Doritos has unveiled his top 25 semifinalists, aka the boldest creators who are now a step closer to the chance of seeing their ad air during the super bowl and winning $1 million. During its 10 year run from 2006 to 2016, fans who entered the Doritos Crash the Super bowl campaign created some of the most memorable and talked about super bowl ads of all time. After receiving thousands of submissions, it's now time for the people to sound off. You can view the top fan made submission@doritoscrash.com and starting tomorrow, January 14th, vote for who you think has a winning ad. I love Doritos. I've always loved Doritos. They're my favorite snack in the world. I'm so happy that Doritos has come on as a sponsor of this show. So again, you can view the top fan made submissions@doritoscrash.com and starting tomorrow, January 14th, vote for who you think has the winning ad and go eat some Doritos Cool Ranch the goat Dorito. So go right now, eat some Doritos and go to Doritos crash.com okay, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Bills 31. Broncos 7. Broncos up 7. Nothing in this game.
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PFT Commenter
First rookie to rookie touchdown pass in postseason history.
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Big Cat
Yeah, that was a crazy stat.
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PFT Commenter
I didn't believe it at first. Bo Nix. Troy Franklin.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Teammates at Oregon Wild. Wild. Oh by the way, was we didn't mention the Chargers and Texans was score gummy.
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PFT Commenter
Oh, yeah, that's right.
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Hank
Playoffs.
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PFT Commenter
I mean, how rare. How rare is that?
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Big Cat
I. I usually care a lot about score gummies. That's my bad. That's my bad. Very cool. Bills 31, Bronco 7. Yeah. The. The Broncos, for the first five minutes, you're like, watch out. And then we were reminded that the Bills are the Bills and they're just better.
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PFT Commenter
And I think we need to start respecting Khalil Shakir a little bit more.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Because he is.
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Big Cat
I love him.
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PFT Commenter
He is a top tier wide receiver. He doesn't get talked about like he is because his name wasn't Stefan Diggs.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And he didn't have the media attention all around him. But he can play.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Whether he's returning a kick out of the slot on the outside, he's a problem for defenses.
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Big Cat
Yeah. He's very, very good. And this, this game was like. The Broncos defense played pretty well in the first half because they held them out of the end zone. I mean, they, I think they scored one touchdown, but they, they were, they staged like tough in the red zone. And then the second half started and Josh Allen was like, yeah, you know what I'm going to do? I'm. We're going to run the ball down your throat. And then if I ever need to make an incredible throw, I'll just do that.
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PFT Commenter
I can do it because I've done it.
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Big Cat
That throw to Ty Johnson was so insane.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Yeah. He was just running around scrambling. Didn't look like anything was going to be open. Throws at the back of the end zone and he catches it with like his knee on the ground before his feet hit. It was insane. But you expect that type of stuff out of Josh.
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Big Cat
The one to Dalton Kincaid also going.
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PFT Commenter
Into halftime, the Broncos were kicking a field goal to tie the game.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
That's wild. When you think about the second half and how lopsided was to think back to that moment. Like if that. It was a 38 yarder.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Something like that.
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Big Cat
No, it's a little longer than that, I believe. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
So. But it was definitely. It was a. It was a very maker kick.
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Big Cat
It was.
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PFT Commenter
And it was a very loud doink that he let out. And if he had made that kick 10, 10 into halftime, second half probably turns out the same way, but just kind of weird to think that they played him to. To a tie at halftime.
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Big Cat
It was a 50 yarder.
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Hank
1010, and he's out of bounds on that 4th and 1.
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Big Cat
Like it's a game.
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Hank
It would have been a completely different game, I feel like, but I.
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PFT Commenter
So here's a lot longer. You know what it was. He hit it up so high on the upright. That's just kickers, man.
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Big Cat
Here. Here's what I didn't understand about this game. So, first of all, the Bill's offensive line is just monsters because they just ran it down the Broncos throat. Like, ran like over and over. James Cook. I think he had 70, 80 yards in the first half. What I didn't understand about this game is I feel like Sean Payton started the game the correct way, being like, hey, we're over a touchdown. Underdogs in Buffalo buff. Like Josh Allen. If he's. If he's on, he's going to score. They're going to score every single time. We got steal possessions. We got to play aggressive. And like, you saw it with the, you know, the bonix touchdown deep shot. You saw it with the fake punt, which was a great call, perfect call. And then the second half started and the Bills scored a touchdown, I believe, to start the second half. And then the Broncos went run run past punt. And then the Bill scored nut touchdown and they went run run past punt. Like, they just got. I. They kind of got a little conservative. They didn't let Bo Nicks just rip it.
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PFT Commenter
It was a little Kirk Signetti, like, wasn't it?
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Big Cat
Yeah, it was just. It was weird. I thought that. I thought they were going to really embrace the role of underdog and be like, we have to do some crazy to have a chance in this game. Because, you know, like, the Broncos are not as good as the Bills. If you play them straight up, the Bills will win. I thought Sean Pate was doing that in the second half. I felt like he just abandoned that.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, they, like, only had two sacks for the Broncos. If they were going to have a chance at this game, they were going to have to take Josh down way more than that. And yeah, the offensive line for the Bills, at one point, our friend Rudy, who is. I don't know if. Is he a Denver native? Yeah, he is Colorado. Yeah, he is as Colorado as it gets.
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Big Cat
He was just like, national champion.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, he was like, the Bills are. Their offensive line is just so heavy.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
And he was right. They just leaned on him. Dawkins was just bowling people over. At one point, Dawkins, like, picked up James Cook and dragged him for a first down on his own.
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Big Cat
I think he also, like, like, put one of the defenders, the Broncos defenders out for the game by just like hitting him hard enough.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Hit him hard in the shoulder, right? Yeah, yeah. Knocked him out.
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Big Cat
Looked like he separated his shoulder.
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PFT Commenter
The Bills also look like a very complete team.
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Big Cat
Yes, very much so. I mean their, their defense still a question mark, but they, they answered the question mark at least against the Broncos.
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PFT Commenter
And they finally threw the ball downfield to Curtis Samuel.
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Big Cat
Yeah. Curtis Samuel had a 55 yard touchdown.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
Yeah. They did it all. They, they, they played much like the Ravens. This was like a tune up game for the Bills versus Ravens because it was. Even though it felt close in the first half, that second half was just an absolute demolition. And it was, it was never close in the second half.
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PFT Commenter
The thing I'll say nice about the Broncos, obviously this is free money. This game was like, oh yeah, I.
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Big Cat
Got some nice things.
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PFT Commenter
Great season for the Broncos. Yeah, you're very happy. If you're a Broncos fan, you probably would have liked to make this more competitive or win the game, obviously, but you're happy. This is a good season for you. You. I think they have the most dead cap in NFL history.
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Big Cat
$85 million.
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PFT Commenter
So that's Russ Wilson. Yep. That's a contract that you.
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Big Cat
Correct.
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PFT Commenter
Decided to, to cut your losses and move on from and with Bo Nicks, with Bo Nix and Cortland Sutton together. If you're putting together like an NBA jam team where you can only have two guys out there on offense. Yeah, that's, that's one of the better combos. That's a fun one because Cortland Sutton.
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Hank
Is really, really good.
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PFT Commenter
And bonix, obviously he's going to be a great quarterback. Although I did see, I saw something one of the pre game shows where they were talking about Sean Payton's offense and how complicated it is to learn for a quarterback. And some of his play calls are like, they take seven or eight seconds to say yeah out loud. That's got to suck if you're a quarterback in that system.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Like how much time do you have to spend just memor and paying attention.
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Big Cat
But Bo Nick's professional. He's got his book back.
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PFT Commenter
That's true.
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Big Cat
He's ready to go. The. Yeah. Sean Payton's halftime speech was. Or halftime interview was where I was like, oh, this game is over. Because he came out and was like, we gotta, we gotta control the ball more. We gotta, we gotta just like control the ball. It's like, no, you gotta score points.
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PFT Commenter
That's kind of the vibe of them. It's like we're gonna try to run the football.
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Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
That's. We're gonna put forth our best foot and try to run the football, but they just weren't able to.
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Big Cat
Also, the credit to Bills for the report came out before the game that like, they deliberately were putting Von Miller on a snap count in the regular season so they'd be fresh to the playoffs. That showed full circle. Yeah, that. That showed full circle.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
No, but the Broncos, I like you, obviously you're upset if you're a Broncos fan, but in a weird way like this loss, it's not a good loss because you lost the playoffs, but you got your asses kicked. And it's like you're. You're the second youngest roster in the NFL. You had $85 million in dead cap similar to the Chargers. You did not think you were going to be a playoff team this year. And the Bills, there's levels to this. Like, the Bills are on a different level as a football team. You're trying to get to that level. You got your rookie quarterback start in the playoffs. Like, everything in. In this Broncos season was a win outside of today. But like, long term, this was a great, great season that you'll hopefully look back on and be like, that was the start of something special. You have a soup a ton of young guys played all year. You got. But like the dead cat, money is going to get fixed and you got your quarterback. That's awesome.
- [64:43]
PFT Commenter
Great season.
- [64:44]
Big Cat
Like, great, great season.
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PFT Commenter
I'd say, is this an A, A plus season?
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Big Cat
I'd say it's a.
- [64:49]
PFT Commenter
Should we grade seasons? I think it's an A. I think it's an A season. I think today's season, I would say an A minus season for the Chargers.
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Big Cat
I would agree. I would agree. Because you were favorites and you lost that game.
- [64:58]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [64:58]
Big Cat
Also, I don't want to be the uniform police, but I hated the Broncos uniforms.
- [65:03]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, go with the classics.
- [65:06]
Big Cat
Just go like, it drives me insane. The Broncos have some of the nicest uniforms in the entire NFL. Like they, they have uniforms that they can put out there that are like, make you feel nostalgic about life. Yeah, go with those. Go with the all whites and the blue helmet. Yeah.
- [65:23]
PFT Commenter
I don't like the orange pants.
- [65:24]
Big Cat
The orange pants. Ridiculous.
- [65:26]
PFT Commenter
We say you don't want to be uniform police. Yes, you do. Yeah, I want to be.
- [65:30]
Big Cat
Well, I saw the uniforms. Like, they got no chance.
- [65:32]
PFT Commenter
I'm like the guy that buys that light at the hardware store and puts in my car so I pretend I'm a cop. Yeah, I do want to Be the uniform police.
- [65:37]
Big Cat
And I, I, I've said this before. Like, when I went on my rant about the Packers. Whatever. Snow white uniforms and princess uniforms. I, I hold teams with history to a different standard, so it's almost a compliment. Like, I think the Broncos have a incredible franchise history and have incredible uniforms in their bag. I hold you to a different standard. I want you to bring the. To the playoffs. I want you to bring the best uniform.
- [66:04]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Like, if the Jaguars were in the playoffs.
- [66:06]
Big Cat
Don't care.
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PFT Commenter
Wear whatever goofy shit you want to wear.
- [66:08]
Big Cat
The Rams and Chargers can wear whatever the fuck they want.
- [66:11]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [66:11]
Big Cat
Because I know that they have, like, a million different. Even the Seahawks, like, they do weird uniforms. Who cares? Yeah.
- [66:16]
PFT Commenter
It's fun.
- [66:16]
Big Cat
The Broncos, like, that's John Elway. You gotta. There's classic playoff games that you can look up the footage to. That's what I want to see when I watch the Broncos in the playoffs.
- [66:26]
PFT Commenter
Maybe Sean Payton went with these uniforms because he knew he was going to lose and he didn't want to add. He wanted to sully the legacy of the great Denver uniforms with a lock.
- [66:33]
Big Cat
That's a great point.
- [66:34]
PFT Commenter
So he is protecting the brand.
- [66:36]
Big Cat
So when the Broncos bring out their classic uniforms, we know that they have a real team.
- [66:39]
PFT Commenter
Yes. That's how, you know. Yeah. We always think, oh, I feel like they always win in these uniforms. Well, it's because their coach knows that they're better when they wear them.
- [66:47]
Big Cat
Yeah. So, yeah. Max just pulled up. I think it's the 91 AFC championship game, and the Broncos are wearing the all whites with the blue helmets.
- [66:55]
PFT Commenter
I do. Like, I also like these Bills throwbacks with the red, the red helmet.
- [66:59]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
- [67:00]
PFT Commenter
Also shout out that one guy in Bill's mafia that was in the end zone. Sport coat, big belly hanging over, giant twisted TE in his hand, and the buffalo wing necklace and the top hat. That was just like Bill's mafia, just still down to human being.
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Big Cat
King Bill's mafia. Hank, what you think about this game? I know you talked yourself into the Broncos.
- [67:22]
Hank
The Broncos, like, they, like you said, the fake punt worked, but they didn't. Didn't make anything out of it. They missed the field goal to tie it up at halftime. If they, you know, got some points there, tied it up at halftime. And then that fourth and one, like, they got. That was a great play by Josh, but it was, you know, inches away from.
- [67:37]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
- [67:38]
Hank
Incomplete.
- [67:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [67:38]
Hank
Like, as much as it was a blow, like, the Broncos were also very much. They were alive in that game.
- [67:44]
Big Cat
Yeah, they were just getting run on, though.
- [67:46]
Hank
Like, I still don't think they would have won, but, like, I think a.
- [67:50]
Big Cat
Couple plays could have made it closer. Yeah, I'd agree with that. That. I just think the Bills are just, again, on. Like, there's three teams in the AFC that are on a different level. It's the. The Bills, the Ravens, and the Texans. Those three teams, those three dreams are just playing at a different level come January.
- [68:06]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [68:07]
Big Cat
Everyone else is just hoping to win a playoff game.
- [68:09]
PFT Commenter
I can't wait for the Bills Ravens game.
- [68:11]
Big Cat
It's. I'm so. I, I. I'm so happy. It's the last game, too. On. On. I feel like that Sunday or. Yeah, that Sunday, late spot, divisional round is always. I feel like that's always the big, big game.
- [68:23]
Hank
This is when it's, like, officially, Officially playoffs. Like, that's a game you'll think about all week.
- [68:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [68:27]
Hank
Every day this week.
- [68:28]
Big Cat
Yes.
- [68:28]
PFT Commenter
And you know what?
- [68:29]
Big Cat
I said it.
- [68:30]
Hank
When does. When is lying. I mean, when is. Bills Ravens.
- [68:32]
Big Cat
When. When the bills went up 28. Seven, I was like, this is why we watch sports for the Bills Ravens. This is why we put in the hours, is why we lift the weights. This is why you, like, are maybe from the outside world looked at as somewhat pathetic. Like the people who were trashing Tate and Titus and saying they weren't men because they were celebrating Ohio State and Jack Sawyer.
- [68:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Instead of. Instead of watching sports, you should be out there participating in mutual combat.
- [68:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. That guy, he doesn't have Bill's Ravens in his life.
- [69:02]
PFT Commenter
He doesn't. And you know what? This is game.
- [69:03]
Big Cat
You read the.
- [69:04]
Hank
This was crazy because, like, it was just a very. It was a pretty normal, like, gambling cave clip.
- [69:08]
Big Cat
I thought it was very funny. Yeah. Let me read it. I. I think I bookmarked a couple of them because there was a couple people.
- [69:13]
PFT Commenter
This is a game that you're gonna have to be prepared for. You're gonna have to be ready as a fan, even if you don't. If you're not a fan specifically of the Ravens or the Bills, you got to bring your A game to watch this game.
- [69:23]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right, so there was one person who said there was two of them.
- [69:28]
Hank
It was Tate and Titus. After the Jack Sawyer, like, fumble recovery touchdown, they were just, you know, celebrating and, like, dry humping the air.
- [69:34]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. Scroll up. Pretty.
- [69:36]
Hank
Pretty standard.
- [69:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. So this person. I mean, these guys are. These guys. I assume these guys are just, like, Andrew Tate, like, adjacent. He said it is utterly embarrassing how men have become bystanders of fake combat instead of active martial participants. It is a very funny clip because Tate is just dry humping a football.
- [69:56]
PFT Commenter
Who is this guy? Arthur Kwan Lee.
- [69:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. Then there was another guy. Z Rebirth369 said. Gayest shit I've ever seen. Whole country is dying. And they only feel passion when watching men touch each other.
- [70:09]
PFT Commenter
Very good point.
- [70:10]
Big Cat
What? Wait. Guys can't watch sports anymore?
- [70:13]
PFT Commenter
They're not.
- [70:14]
Big Cat
What the.
- [70:15]
PFT Commenter
They're kind of boys touching each other.
- [70:16]
Big Cat
Like, what the hell? Since when? It was. When is it wrong to watch sports with your boys?
- [70:21]
PFT Commenter
It's not.
- [70:22]
Big Cat
And guess what? Those two guys, they think we're losers. You don't have Bill's ravens to look forward to. And I'm banning both of those guys from watching Bill's Ravens.
- [70:32]
PFT Commenter
And I would also like to know when they thought that the country was great because there's always been sports.
- [70:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
- [70:37]
PFT Commenter
Bread and circus always been sports since.
- [70:40]
Big Cat
The Romans they did sports.
- [70:42]
PFT Commenter
It's a hell of a circus.
- [70:43]
Big Cat
Yeah, It's a great circus.
- [70:45]
PFT Commenter
I love this.
- [70:45]
Big Cat
And guess what? The circus makes us forget all our problems.
- [70:48]
PFT Commenter
And this is going to be.
- [70:48]
Big Cat
It works.
- [70:49]
PFT Commenter
It's going to be such a circus coming to town this weekend.
- [70:51]
Big Cat
We literally do bread and circus in this office every single Sunday where they just throw food at us. And we watch sports and we forget all the world's problems and it's the best existence. And I think a lot of people listening right now do the same thing every Sunday.
- [71:06]
PFT Commenter
Entertainment and carbs.
- [71:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [71:08]
PFT Commenter
Bad.
- [71:09]
Big Cat
Oh, no. But then you won't be thinking about how bad everything is.
- [71:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [71:14]
Big Cat
Yeah. That's the point. That's literally the point.
- [71:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. How about instead of worrying about whether or not a guy's going to cross an imaginary line on a field, you focus on real issues like immigration.
- [71:26]
Big Cat
Yeah. Hey, you guys watched three hours of a football game. Well, I thought long and hard about Ukraine rain.
- [71:32]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [71:33]
Big Cat
Who's. Who had a better Sunday? Me. I did.
- [71:37]
PFT Commenter
I had a great. I had a great weekend.
- [71:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. I. I had a lot. A lot better for Sunday. Okay. Anything else for. For Bill's Broncos? Broncos get better uniforms.
- [71:48]
PFT Commenter
Demar should not have celebrated the interception. He knew that he didn't pick it off.
- [71:52]
Big Cat
I don't know if he did because he looked shocked when they overturned it.
- [71:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [71:55]
Big Cat
He had that face where he's like, what?
- [71:57]
PFT Commenter
That's true. I always wonder that when they go to, like, a replay and it's a bang bang play where a guy traps the ball off the ground a little Bit in the moment if you're diving on the ground. Do you know that you.
- [72:05]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [72:05]
PFT Commenter
Look at it.
- [72:06]
Big Cat
Look at his face. He did not. He thought he caught it.
- [72:09]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [72:09]
Big Cat
He also. That's a total non story if it's anyone but demar.
- [72:14]
PFT Commenter
Correct.
- [72:14]
Big Cat
Like tomorrow gets to markets clown.
- [72:17]
PFT Commenter
I got a question for you about when did.
- [72:19]
Big Cat
This is crazy.
- [72:19]
PFT Commenter
When did. When did demar become like a joke because he died?
- [72:24]
Big Cat
I don't know.
- [72:25]
PFT Commenter
Because it was a pretty incredible story. What happened to him.
- [72:27]
Big Cat
Correct. But it happened in the last like maybe year.
- [72:30]
Hank
No, I mean, people are doing the clone shit like right away.
- [72:33]
Big Cat
But that was different.
- [72:33]
PFT Commenter
But some people actually thought it was a clone.
- [72:35]
Big Cat
Yeah, Billy, that was different. That was like. There's fucked up shit they're not telling us now. It's like people. It feels like there's some people that are actively rooting. They hate them against demarcus just because he almost died on a football field.
- [72:52]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that. No, they hate him.
- [72:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. It's very bizarre.
- [72:56]
PFT Commenter
It is.
- [72:57]
Big Cat
I've noticed the same thing.
- [72:58]
PFT Commenter
Do you think it was a fake punt?
- [72:59]
Big Cat
It might have been the fake.
- [73:00]
PFT Commenter
That fake punt was.
- [73:01]
Big Cat
It might have been the fake.
- [73:02]
PFT Commenter
That was a funny. Because it felt like they were doing the fake punt to put the spotlight on.
- [73:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [73:07]
PFT Commenter
Thank you for coming back tomorrow.
- [73:08]
Big Cat
And like, not only, like, take the whole fact that he almost died on a football field. He was a fringe player, special teams player that has worked his way into the starting rotation. Like that should be applauded.
- [73:21]
PFT Commenter
And I think his whole mission is to put defibrillators in. In schools. Really, like mission everywhere.
- [73:26]
Big Cat
If you have kids, you should be a pro. Demar guy.
- [73:30]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [73:30]
Big Cat
Were you gonna say something, Max? You don't like tomorrow?
- [73:33]
Max
No, I. I just wanted to show you. I. I like tomorrow.
- [73:38]
Big Cat
Oh, okay. You like tomorrow?
- [73:39]
Max
I just wanted to show the ref Josh Allen.
- [73:41]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. So did you hear afterwards? So. So there was a red zone trip where the Bills. There was definitely a hold that they missed and Josh Allen yelled at the refs. So there was a clip coming out of the commercial. Where was it? Bill Vinovich went up to Josh Allen, went to the sideline to talk to him, and obviously everyone's like, I cannot believe the ref is apologizing to Josh Allen. And Josh Allen after the game said, that's not what was happening. The ref came up to him to tell him, hey, stop yelling at us like, we miss calls. If you keep yelling at us like, it's not going to fix anything.
- [74:22]
PFT Commenter
I think it was the. The mutual hand touching and then the pat on the. Yeah, it was. They gave each other a side hug.
- [74:28]
Big Cat
So the conversation was not, hey, I'm sorry, Josh, we'll get you on the next one. It was, hey, Josh, could you stop being an asshole to us? I guess so. That. That totally changes it.
- [74:38]
PFT Commenter
How many. Wait, did. Did the. Imagine if Patrick Mahomes did this, the media would go nuts. Did that become a big thing?
- [74:45]
Big Cat
Yeah, I think that was driven. Yeah. By a lot of. I do. Like, it becomes a real rivalry. Like when the. The Chiefs and the Bills. Imagine the outrage on the Sabbath. They showed a ref touching Patrick Mahomes the way they did just now with Josh Allen. That's when you know and I know the Bills haven't beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs. So you like rivalry? I put in quotes here. But, like. Like, Chiefs fans hate Bills fans.
- [75:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [75:07]
Big Cat
And Bills fans hate Chiefs fans because they're going to use this clip to fight a turf war between Josh Allen and. Which they should.
- [75:14]
PFT Commenter
You know what? This is ammunition for that war. This is ammunition for the picture of Patrick Mahomes kissing the. The ref on the lips, which I'm still not sure if that's real or not.
- [75:22]
Big Cat
No, that's real.
- [75:22]
PFT Commenter
It looks very real. So whenever that gets posted now they have instant comeback.
- [75:27]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. They're like, look at this.
- [75:28]
PFT Commenter
And this is realer.
- [75:30]
Big Cat
Yeah. This actually happened.
- [75:31]
PFT Commenter
Some would say.
- [75:32]
Big Cat
Yeah, good. Good job producing Max. We forgot to mention that people would be mad.
- [75:37]
Max
That was Memes.
- [75:37]
Big Cat
Oh, Memes. Memes. Take a victory lap. What do you want to say? I would like to thank myself. Oh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Memes is. Is one of the turf war guys. You were pissed that the ref was going up to him.
- [75:53]
PFT Commenter
Oh, as a Jets fan. Yeah.
- [75:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. Now it makes sense.
- [75:57]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. You were saying.
- [76:00]
Big Cat
Yeah, you were mad.
- [76:01]
PFT Commenter
You were saying to show the Jo Allen thing.
- [76:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [76:03]
PFT Commenter
Not knowing that Big cat was gonna say, oh, Josh said that the ref was saying, stop yelling at me.
- [76:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [76:08]
PFT Commenter
Penalized.
- [76:09]
Big Cat
Yeah. No, that's not it. Chiefs fans were getting mad at me because I tweeted out, the ref apologizes, Josh Allen, hashtag some things. And. Oh, they were saying very mean things. I thought you were. You were on the side of the Chiefs fans there. Oh, we forgot to mention that Boltman, which I think was a. It's a fake.
- [76:25]
PFT Commenter
It's a fake bolt, man. It's like demar. It's.
- [76:27]
Big Cat
That's the worst. That was partially why the Chargers lost.
- [76:31]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that. That's. That looks like.
- [76:33]
Big Cat
Oh, you mean you Maxed bolt man. Yeah. And then somebody, somebody took it and it went viral.
- [76:40]
Hank
Oh, I love it.
- [76:41]
PFT Commenter
This fake bolt man looks like Drill. Yeah, that's not Boltman.
- [76:45]
Big Cat
No, it's not. He. So I think original boatman sold his boat man for like 50k. Yeah. Because he was so sick that they left San Diego. Go. All right. Eagles 22, Packers 10. Maxi ugly game.
- [77:04]
Max
Rust. Quarterback had some rust that he had to work out. Defense was phenomenal.
- [77:08]
Big Cat
Defense was very good. Jordan Love stinks.
- [77:11]
Max
Yep. A lot of prep. A lot of pressure from that D line. Made it, made the quarterback look not so great. Defense was really, really good. Both, both lines were really, really good. Saquon was really, really good. Some things to work on for next week, but you'll take that win 10 times out of 10.
- [77:30]
PFT Commenter
Are you concerned with the play calling?
- [77:33]
Max
I'm concerned with a win.
- [77:35]
PFT Commenter
Oh, okay. I was just asking if you, it sounds like you're a little touchy about that question.
- [77:40]
Big Cat
Yeah, that was a little touchy.
- [77:41]
PFT Commenter
A normal answer to that would be no. I thought, I thought Kellen Moore did a great job.
- [77:45]
Max
Yeah, no, I'm not worried. Worried?
- [77:48]
PFT Commenter
Your answer tells me that you might be a little bit worried.
- [77:50]
Big Cat
You got very defensive there.
- [77:52]
Max
Well, I mean it was Eagles 122 to 10. I don't think there, I don't think it was a one score game at any, no, I'm not up until the end.
- [77:59]
Big Cat
Like, I, I think definitely a one score game.
- [78:03]
PFT Commenter
I think the Eagles 100. I think they're a very, very, very good team. I think they could win this.
- [78:07]
Max
A one short game with the Packers.
- [78:09]
PFT Commenter
But you are getting very defensive about a simple question match.
- [78:12]
Max
Well, it was like the Eagles just dominated that game and then immediately like. And so are you worried about the play calling of Kellen Moore in the Philadelphia Eagles?
- [78:21]
PFT Commenter
I'm asking that because they were the fucking Bucks run.
- [78:24]
Max
The Bucks just shot on their pants in the fourth quarter.
- [78:28]
PFT Commenter
Calm down, Max. I'm trying to do a podcast here.
- [78:30]
Max
I know, but you, I mean, just dominated the game and you're, and you're immediate. Just what do you think about the play calling?
- [78:36]
PFT Commenter
Not defensive.
- [78:39]
Big Cat
I, I, I'll tell you what, Max, I'm going to defend you here.
- [78:41]
Hank
We talked.
- [78:42]
Big Cat
I don't think you have any in the previous three games. I don' think you have any problem with the play calling, judging by this reaction.
- [78:47]
Max
No, no problem. Play call. That's my answer.
- [78:52]
Big Cat
That sounded exactly like a guy who.
- [78:53]
PFT Commenter
Has no issues with the play calling.
- [78:59]
Big Cat
He just went straight to the commanders No, I mean, you guys, you dominated that game. It got like there was. There was a. A little bit of a Chargers vibe in the first half where everything went perfect and you were only up 10. And especially with like, the fumble on the opening kickoff and a touchdown four plays later, and you're like, oh, this is going to be easy. And then you did. You struggled. The offense did struggle for the first half. Jalen Hurts looked like he was still concussed a little bit, but they made some big plays in the second half, and it was never a doubt. You're right. They never. The packers never had the ball down one possession.
- [79:39]
Max
Yeah. No, there was never like, oh, shit, this is a drive where we could give up the lead and that. And it's always a little bit more comfortable watching a game that way.
- [79:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [79:48]
Max
So I'm happy with the way that it turned out. There's one. If I'm being honest, there's one thing that I'm concerned about, and that's the kicker. Yeah, the kicker is a big issue.
- [80:00]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [80:00]
PFT Commenter
Hank has a question.
- [80:01]
Hank
No, continue. If you.
- [80:03]
Big Cat
What's your.
- [80:04]
Max
No, no, I would. I would like. I. I'm more interested in what you have to say.
- [80:07]
Hank
Loser talk. Question of the show because you just said they never had the ball down one possession. You said it was nice to watch, kind of easy game. You tweeted in the middle of the game, we're gonna lose this game.
- [80:19]
Max
Oh, but. Yeah, that's good.
- [80:21]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. That's investigative journalism by Henry Lockwood there.
- [80:26]
Max
Correct. But inside the lines. I'm not accountable for what I say.
- [80:31]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [80:32]
PFT Commenter
That's all the great ones say that.
- [80:34]
Big Cat
You just can't. You can't.
- [80:36]
Max
No, no.
- [80:37]
Hank
Why did you think that?
- [80:38]
Max
Because I am an anxious. I am. I think the world's.
- [80:41]
Big Cat
You're a loser.
- [80:43]
Max
We won.
- [80:44]
Hank
But that was you.
- [80:45]
PFT Commenter
What made you say that?
- [80:46]
Max
Yeah, I think it was. Jake Elliott. I think it was probably after the missed extra point because that's like a. Such a thing that happens. Like, you miss an extra point, it comes back to bite you in the ass.
- [80:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [80:56]
PFT Commenter
The injuries. Not great today.
- [80:59]
Max
Nicobe Dean, that.
- [81:01]
PFT Commenter
That's bad.
- [81:01]
Max
That's the only injury, but it's really bad.
- [81:03]
PFT Commenter
It's slay. Totally good.
- [81:04]
Max
They came back in the game.
- [81:06]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, I know he came back in.
- [81:08]
Max
I mean, I assume if he came back in the game, that he'll be playing next week.
- [81:11]
Big Cat
Yeah, I. In terms of packers playoff losses, this one didn't scratch the itch as much because, like, one. I didn't think they Were that good because they lost to the Bears, who are not good. So I was like, well, they're not very good. And then two, every packers player got injured. So that's. And I'm not saying like it's an excuse that I, I actually believe. Like I, I don't know if the packers would ever won that game, but like they had a moment where all their top three wide receivers weren't playing anymore and their best offensive lineman. So it's like I kind of got robbed. And then that feel of that like, feeling of like haha.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [81:48]
Big Cat
Because it was like, yeah, your whole team just got injured.
- [81:50]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And then when they were driving with the ball, I think they threw a pass. Their fifth string wide receiver who didn't put his feet inbound.
- [81:56]
Big Cat
Right. Yeah. That was kind of the moment where I was like, I really want to be enjoying this, but it's like they don't have literally anyone left.
- [82:04]
Hank
Yeah.
- [82:04]
PFT Commenter
Like if that was Romeo Dobbs that did that or yeah, it's Christian Watson that did that, you. You'd be like, haha, losers.
- [82:09]
Big Cat
Right.
- [82:10]
PFT Commenter
But now it's like this is kind of what you expect.
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Big Cat
Or if the packers were healthy and they like just barely lost, they're like, wow, we could have gone on a run. Like, I think packers fans probably were watching that game, watching everyone get hurt. They're like, if we have to play next week against the Lions, we're.
- [82:22]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, yeah.
- [82:23]
Big Cat
Like that. They just were ripped apart with injuries. I do think Jordan Love is like I. Forever was like, oh, he's the next in line. Like I, I don't, I don't see it. He's good. He's not.
- [82:37]
PFT Commenter
His picks were pretty bad today.
- [82:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, he's not, he, he doesn't. I know he's still young, so He's. He's like 32 or something, but he's. And I know it's only his second year, but it's not like he's. He had a really awesome eight year, eight game stretch last year. Got paid $55 million. He was okay this year through a lot of interceptions. He had a good stretch at the end of the season as well. But I, I don't think he's like some. Do you guys agree? Like, do you think he's like gonna. Right now? Would you say Jordan loves gonna be like a top three, top five quarterback? Because that's what Rogers and Far. Yeah.
- [83:11]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Here's what I would say is on the broadcast when they're talking about the passing of the torch and they Say, first it was Favre, then it went to Rogers. Now it's on love. I don't think that one of those three is like the other or one of those.
- [83:22]
Big Cat
Right.
- [83:22]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [83:23]
Big Cat
Like the other Dragon meme.
- [83:24]
PFT Commenter
Exactly. But I think he's a good quarterback.
- [83:27]
Big Cat
Yeah. And he could get better. And this could all look really stupid by me, but it's not so far. I'm not like, holy shit, this guy's insane.
- [83:35]
PFT Commenter
I think he's. He's a good quarterback.
- [83:36]
Big Cat
Yeah, he's a good quarterback.
- [83:37]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [83:38]
Big Cat
He's following two hall of Famers, and.
- [83:40]
PFT Commenter
That'S a great thing to have.
- [83:41]
Big Cat
Yeah. Also, as much as I want to relish in the packers losses, which I am very happy that you. You beat them, Max, because, again, it was a little different this year because I. I think I said it two weeks ago where I was like, I don't think they're a problem anymore. Like, I just did. They didn't beat any really good teams this year. They went. They lost twice to the Vikings. They lost twice to the. To the Lions.
- [84:02]
PFT Commenter
Pretty much lost twice to the Bears.
- [84:04]
Big Cat
Pretty much lost twice to the Bears. They, like, they were always like, they. They. They were just not in that. If we're going levels again, they were never in that upper level of the nfc, but they are. Are. And it hurts me say they are the youngest roster in the NFL. And I do think, like, knowing how the packers run as an organization, they'll probably be really good next year.
- [84:23]
PFT Commenter
And you've got a great head coach. Matt LaFleur is an awesome head coach.
- [84:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [84:26]
PFT Commenter
And Josh Jacobs, great running back, big boy run. Love.
- [84:32]
Big Cat
What?
- [84:32]
PFT Commenter
There were a couple big boy runs in this game. Dallas Goddard, that one. At one point, Josh Jacobs dragged a defender, I think, like, five yards on the ground, who was grabbing on the back of his shirt, which somehow didn't rip. It just stretched for, like, five yards.
- [84:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [84:45]
PFT Commenter
That is. That's a dude.
- [84:46]
Big Cat
Yeah. I. Yeah. Like, I want to. I want to be happier, but the injuries and the fact that the packers are so young, like, the end of Rogers was fun because it was like, he's. He's getting older and older and older and the windows closing. I. I know how the packers run their organization. I'm sure they're going to nail their draft picks and all their receivers are going to end up being awesome and come back, and it's going to be like, yeah. And everything I just said about Jordan Love is going to be wrong.
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PFT Commenter
Are they going to start drafting wide receivers in the first round? Like, all the time now for Jordan.
- [85:16]
Big Cat
Love, that'd be very funny.
- [85:18]
PFT Commenter
It would be.
- [85:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [85:19]
PFT Commenter
Let's make him happy.
- [85:20]
Big Cat
I've seen some, like, weird. Like, Matt LaFleur's should be fired. Like, that's the dumbest thing ever. I actually think that Jordan Love, if you didn't have Matt lafor, would probably be struggling more.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. Imagine Malik Willis without Matt LaFleur.
- [85:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [85:33]
PFT Commenter
So, Max, another question for you. You AJ green.
- [85:37]
Big Cat
Brown.
- [85:38]
PFT Commenter
AJ brown. Different color. Reading a book on the sidelines. What. What book was it and why was he reading it?
- [85:46]
Max
It was a motivational book. I will pull it up. I'll pull up his tweet because he addressed it via X, the Everything app. Everything happens on X.
- [85:55]
PFT Commenter
He is the media.
- [85:56]
Big Cat
He.
- [85:57]
Max
He is the media. I am struggling to find his Twitter.
- [86:03]
PFT Commenter
Duh.
- [86:04]
Max
What the fuck? He has some. Some. Oh, there it is. Wait, no, this isn't it.
- [86:09]
Big Cat
I'm gonna find it. Yeah. Inner excellence. Achieve extraordinary business success through mental toughness. And he says you. He reads it. What are you looking for? He like his quote? Yeah, about it. He tweeted about it way farther into a book than LeBron ever has been. That's a fact, right?
- [86:29]
PFT Commenter
I'm enjoying Max.
- [86:30]
Max
I mean, I. Why can't I find his fucking Twitter?
- [86:33]
Big Cat
This is bad memes. Do you want to help?
- [86:35]
PFT Commenter
1K always open. Yeah, I know.
- [86:37]
Big Cat
That means memes and hanker.
- [86:38]
Max
This is a fake one.
- [86:39]
Big Cat
I'm also enjoying. It's a. It's a good thing that you're struggling this much because, like, if.
- [86:44]
PFT Commenter
Would you like me to read it for you?
- [86:45]
Big Cat
I.
- [86:46]
Max
Did you find it.
- [86:46]
Big Cat
I'd be worried if you weren't struggling this bad. I'd be like, man, this guy might be worried about play calling.
- [86:52]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, that's a good point.
- [86:53]
Big Cat
But it's clear you're not worried about play calling because you're not flustered at all through this whole Packers Eagles recap. Got it. Okay. All right, you're reading. Ready? Yeah.
- [87:06]
Max
This game is 90% mental and 10% physical for me. I bring it to every game, and I read it between each drive. I use it to refocus and lock in despite what may transpire in the game. Good or bad. People tend to create controversy when they don't know the truth.
- [87:21]
Big Cat
Can I have a question? Question. When he said, good or bad, which one do you think it was today? Good.
- [87:30]
Max
They won the game.
- [87:31]
Big Cat
But you. Do you think A.J. brown was having a good time today?
- [87:35]
Max
Yeah, they won. They won a playoff game.
- [87:37]
Big Cat
Okay. You think he was having a Good time with the play calling.
- [87:42]
Max
Yeah, no, I. He's probably. He looks happy in this post game interview. I don't know what he's saying, but he looks happy. He doesn't look mad, so. Yeah, no, it was good.
- [87:51]
Big Cat
So three targets for A.J. brown. One catch, 10 yards, one win. Okay.
- [88:00]
PFT Commenter
Do you think it's always this book?
- [88:04]
Max
It says that it's. This book.
- [88:06]
PFT Commenter
Very. So he's been raised.
- [88:07]
Max
I mean, this book. That doesn't look like a LeBron book.
- [88:09]
PFT Commenter
That's a well worn book.
- [88:10]
Big Cat
Yeah, we need a. We need a. We need a book report from you on this.
- [88:13]
PFT Commenter
He also has highlighted passages, underlined passages. He. He really loves this book, but I'm.
- [88:19]
Big Cat
Just wondering if he was. If he had 100 yards and a touchdown and Kellen Moore was just calling a great game and all that stuff. Do. Do you think he goes to the book?
- [88:29]
Max
Yeah. No.
- [88:30]
Big Cat
Or do you think he, like, high fives and, like, he probably goes to.
- [88:33]
Max
Therapy and, like, they.
- [88:35]
Big Cat
That's not what. That's not what I asked.
- [88:36]
Max
I don't know. I wasn't really paying attention. I was reading the quotes.
- [88:39]
Big Cat
All right, I'll ask the question again, and then maybe you can read the quote for if A.J. brown had 100 yards in a touchdown and nine catches, do you think he's reading the book or do you think he's, like, having fun on the sideline?
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Max
Well, I don't know if you heard what I said. He said transpire in the game, good or bad.
- [88:56]
Big Cat
Right. But he might have just put the word good in there and really meant bad.
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Max
See, you're. So you're calling him a liar.
- [89:01]
Big Cat
No, I'm just saying he might have.
- [89:04]
Max
He also may not have.
- [89:06]
Big Cat
That's also true.
- [89:07]
Max
Yeah.
- [89:08]
Big Cat
Everything's on the table right now when we're discussing this book. Correct.
- [89:10]
PFT Commenter
I have a question.
- [89:11]
Big Cat
You have the money?
- [89:11]
Max
I'm gonna take the man for his word.
- [89:13]
Big Cat
Okay. Okay. What's up?
- [89:14]
Max
Pit stain guy over there?
- [89:16]
PFT Commenter
Do you think. Do you think the game is nine, Max, never having pit stains? Come on, Max.
- [89:20]
Big Cat
Yeah, that was a bad.
- [89:21]
PFT Commenter
Come on, Max.
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Big Cat
I mean, your ass crack is probably showing right now.
- [89:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [89:25]
Max
Not pit stains.
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PFT Commenter
Do you think 90% mental, 10% physical is a good breakdown.
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Max
For him?
- [89:34]
Big Cat
Yes.
- [89:34]
Hank
That laugh means his ass.
- [89:36]
Max
He said.
- [89:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, his ass is out for sure. Means just watching it.
- [89:42]
Max
Yeah, I got a chance.
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PFT Commenter
I'm not sure that the whole physical put together in this thing is the battle. You want to pick with anybody, Max, because you. Yeah, your butt gets a lot of screen time.
- [89:51]
Max
You can't even see it. I got it back to this chair.
- [89:55]
PFT Commenter
Would you like in a game like this where he is limited. How many catches did you have?
- [89:59]
Big Cat
He had one catch, three targets.
- [90:00]
PFT Commenter
Would you rather he maybe cranks it up to 15% physical?
- [90:08]
Max
We won the game.
- [90:08]
PFT Commenter
Game 10.
- [90:09]
Max
We won the game.
- [90:10]
Big Cat
Did win the game. So looking ahead, besides your issues with the play calling, what do you need to fix going into next week?
- [90:20]
Max
Jalen hurts will be less rusty. So just, like, getting more reps in practice this week will be good.
- [90:27]
PFT Commenter
I agree with that.
- [90:28]
Max
We'll have one extra day of practice that our opponent will not have. That'll be helpful.
- [90:32]
Big Cat
What if they're like, jalen hurts. Like, was so bad they were just going to put him back in the protocol? Just.
- [90:38]
Max
He wasn't that bad. 100.
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Big Cat
I mean, he wasn't good.
- [90:41]
Max
111 quarterback rating.
- [90:42]
Big Cat
You would die for that. Okay. In a playoff game. Yeah, but he wasn't, like, through two touchdowns. Okay.
- [90:48]
Max
Won the game when we needed. When we needed to ice the game. He led a great drive to that finished with a Dallas Goddard touchdown.
- [90:56]
Big Cat
Okay.
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PFT Commenter
All right. So, Max, who do you want, Vikings or the Rams?
- [90:59]
Big Cat
Good question.
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Max
That is a good question.
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Big Cat
Call someone out.
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Max
That is, if I had to choose, I'm. I. You know what? I. You got to be good teams.
- [91:09]
Big Cat
No, no, don't cop it out.
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Max
No, but that's what you.
- [91:12]
Big Cat
That's.
- [91:12]
Max
What. If I were to answer that question, that's what you would say.
- [91:16]
Big Cat
Just tell us which team you want.
- [91:17]
Hank
To lead with that.
- [91:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [91:20]
Big Cat
You want. You. You'll play whoever wins. But. But.
- [91:22]
Hank
Gun to my head.
- [91:23]
Max
Yeah, Gun to my head. If you had to tell me that I had to pick a team, I would. I would pick the Rams.
- [91:28]
Big Cat
Really?
- [91:29]
Max
We handled the Rams in that first game. Their defense could not stop with a run. Saquon went for like.
- [91:35]
Big Cat
Oh, that's right. I forgot about.
- [91:36]
PFT Commenter
And the Rams offenses look bad. I don't know. I don't know how they're going to be tonight.
- [91:39]
Max
And they would have to travel from LA to Philly and the cold.
- [91:43]
Big Cat
Well, actually, they travel Arizona to LA to Philly.
- [91:45]
Max
True.
- [91:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [91:47]
Max
I don't think the Rams are going to win tomorrow, but.
- [91:50]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [91:50]
Max
I think that given my thought process, I would say that I would like. I don't know where I'm going.
- [91:59]
Big Cat
I think he's.
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PFT Commenter
I'm just saying, who's happy with the play call who.
- [92:03]
Big Cat
Who knew that, like, a simple question of are you happy with the play calling would just lead us to cinema. Whatever's happened in the last 15 minutes now.
- [92:11]
Max
It was condescending.
- [92:12]
PFT Commenter
It was a question. This is my job as a member of the media to ask those tough questions.
- [92:16]
Big Cat
Max, it's so clear you're upset about the play calling. Just say it.
- [92:20]
Max
I'm happy with a win. And you can learn. You can go back, look at the tape and learn from things. Everything is a learning, a learning experience, and we will learn from this and be better for next week.
- [92:33]
Big Cat
Okay. Okay.
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PFT Commenter
I appreciate that.
- [92:34]
Big Cat
Well, thank you for beating the Packers.
- [92:36]
Max
And Jalen Hurts will be less rusty.
- [92:38]
Big Cat
Yes. Thank you for beating the Packers. No, that.
- [92:44]
Max
Those are two separate things.
- [92:45]
Big Cat
Oh, okay. Yeah.
- [92:46]
PFT Commenter
What would you grade the packers season? I would say a B.
- [92:50]
Big Cat
No way.
- [92:51]
Max
Way worse than that. People were picking them for the Super Bowl. They were Trager.
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PFT Commenter
Oh, yeah.
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Big Cat
Oh, yeah.
- [92:57]
PFT Commenter
RIP to the Schrager Street.
- [92:59]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [93:00]
PFT Commenter
They kind of got dealt a bad hand, though, with the. The injuries.
- [93:04]
Big Cat
Yeah. But Malik Willis won games, I guess. Okay.
- [93:06]
PFT Commenter
So if you're looking at it, like, just straight up grade as a whole, the outcome of the season. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Definitely worse than a B. I'm saying it's B. Given what they were dealing with today.
- [93:15]
Big Cat
I'd say overall, it's probably a B because they. They are the youngest roster.
- [93:19]
PFT Commenter
C plus.
- [93:20]
Big Cat
They're the youngest roster in the NFL. It's like, what would you grade it under? Like a regular. If you laid it all out and you didn't say, this is the Green Bay Packers. I think packers fans are different because they, like, they're used to winning playoff games and, you know, that kind of thing.
- [93:36]
PFT Commenter
So they.
- [93:36]
Big Cat
They grade it differently. But if you laid all out, all the facts, took logo off the helmet, you probably say B.
- [93:43]
PFT Commenter
Say B minus C plus.
- [93:45]
Big Cat
They're gonna be good next year. I just know it. I just know it. They're just gonna. They always just draft someone who's just like, how'd this guy get good? And it's just like, oh, and Jaden Reed's gonna be the best receiver somehow. Christian. Well, Christian Watson I think is acl, but they just. I just know it. And Josh Jacobs is good.
- [94:05]
PFT Commenter
Very good.
- [94:06]
Big Cat
Really, really good. But Jordan Love's not good.
- [94:09]
PFT Commenter
I think he's good.
- [94:09]
Big Cat
Go to bed thinking that. No, he's not. Max, you backed me up.
- [94:13]
Max
He was so.
- [94:14]
Big Cat
That.
- [94:14]
Max
That pick to Zach Bond was horrific.
- [94:16]
Big Cat
Horrific.
- [94:17]
Max
It was a her. I don't know.
- [94:19]
PFT Commenter
Egregious.
- [94:20]
Max
How do you just not see the guy right in the middle of your. Of your vision?
- [94:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [94:25]
PFT Commenter
I don't know.
- [94:25]
Max
He Just. He just threw it right to him.
- [94:27]
Big Cat
When he doesn't run RPOs and play actions, he's not like, as a straight up pocket passer. I just don't. I haven't been overly impressed. Impressed.
- [94:35]
PFT Commenter
Also, shout out to Philly for having the sax guy playing the national anthem. Oh, God.
- [94:38]
Big Cat
Vanya sax.
- [94:39]
PFT Commenter
Vanya sax. Vanya Sax. That guy. That guy can get it.
- [94:43]
Big Cat
That was incredible.
- [94:44]
PFT Commenter
Not as. That sounds sexual.
- [94:46]
Big Cat
No, I mean, that's fine. This saxophone is the most sexual instrument by far.
- [94:50]
Hank
And they just let Gilly, like, come out with the team. Yeah, like, those videos are so funny.
- [94:54]
Big Cat
And the bald eagle. Oh, what a scene. Yeah, Max is replaying it. That was a really bad interception. You can't throw that one. All right. Did you guys. You guys. You guys didn't score off that, though.
- [95:09]
Max
Oh, that. Wait, no, we did.
- [95:11]
Big Cat
Is that the end of the second quarter? This is halftime. Was 10.
- [95:15]
Max
Oh, yeah, I didn't.
- [95:16]
Big Cat
Why didn't you score? Was it the play calling?
- [95:20]
Max
No, it wasn't.
- [95:23]
PFT Commenter
It was unrelated to the play call.
- [95:25]
Max
It was just a bad.
- [95:26]
Hank
It was a bad.
- [95:27]
Big Cat
What were the play calls after that? That.
- [95:29]
Max
It was incomplete. Incomplete. Penalty. Penalty.
- [95:34]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a penalty. It was a penalty.
- [95:36]
Max
You can't have penalties.
- [95:37]
PFT Commenter
But. First down, incomplete.
- [95:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [95:39]
PFT Commenter
Second down, incomplete.
- [95:40]
Big Cat
Well, it looks like the penalty came on 4th and 4, so that actually didn't matter.
- [95:43]
Max
Yeah, no penalty.
- [95:45]
PFT Commenter
And you remember how good, like, the push the offensive line was getting for the running game?
- [95:48]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. The Elton Jenkins going out for the packers again. That's like they. They robbed me of everything because they just got it. The. The guy who came in, how many holds did he end up happening? It was just every. Every drive. He was just getting killed. Okay, pfd. You want to do a couple more ads and we'll get to the big game. Sunday Night Football and your win.
- [96:10]
PFT Commenter
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Big Cat
Pft.
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PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [98:12]
Big Cat
Commanders 23. Bucks 20. What a game.
- [98:16]
PFT Commenter
A crazy game this is. Every commander's game is like this. Every single one comes down to the end.
- [98:21]
Big Cat
I was gonna actually ask you this. We talk a lot about the Chiefs voodoo.
- [98:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [98:26]
Big Cat
The commanders have the most voodoo. And it's a good thing. They just have, like. I don't want to say team of destiny, but. But I. Watching that game especially. We'll break down the whole game. But like when the Bucks kicked a field goal to tie it 20 to 20 and there was four and a half minutes left. And this is part voodoo and part the fact that Jaden Daniels is just fucking awesome. I turned to Jersey Jerry, who's sitting next to me. I said, bucks aren't getting the ball back.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [98:55]
Big Cat
And that's exactly what happened.
- [98:56]
PFT Commenter
That's what we did. We had like a 17 play, drive, drive in the first or second quarter.
- [99:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [99:02]
PFT Commenter
We didn't punt again today.
- [99:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [99:03]
PFT Commenter
Because when it comes to fourth down, we either get fourth downs or we go for it and we don't convert them. And then we find ourselves like one minute later back in that same exact fourth down situation. And Dan, there's something about coaches named Dan that are just like it. We're gonna go for if it's Dan Quinn, if it's Dan Campbell. Dan Lanning did that this year too, where you just get ultra aggressive. But I, I didn't have a problem even when it didn't work out that Dan Quinn kept going for it. Because that's what we've done all year.
- [99:31]
Big Cat
And we've said it a million times. The Dan Campbell stuff. Consistency.
- [99:35]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [99:35]
Big Cat
If he had out and kicked a field goal on the second one. Yeah. You've been like, dude, you can't just do. You can't go for it. Go for it. Go for it and then kick it. Keep going for it and something good will happen.
- [99:45]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, you go for it. You don't get it. You pin them deep. And then if you get a turnover, you're at least deep in their territory.
- [99:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [99:50]
PFT Commenter
But yeah, it's like they pushed everything to the limit of how close they could make this game. And there's something about Jaden. He does not show emotion. Sometimes he smiles during play.
- [100:01]
Big Cat
I was just say, his only emotion.
- [100:02]
PFT Commenter
Is happiness, but usually he just doesn't have any emotion whatsoever.
- [100:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [100:06]
PFT Commenter
If you see the clip of him reacting to the game winning field goal at the end of this game, he's on the sidelines and he, he doesn't even smile. He just sits there and it doinks in, in. And then he gets up and then like five seconds after it goes in, he starts tapping people up. But the dude, he's like, they say that, that Joe Burrow what his like high school basketball coach told his parents, like, you're lucky that he loves sports because if he didn't, you might have a Dexter on your hands.
- [100:33]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [100:34]
PFT Commenter
Like he might actually be a killer. Jaden is kind of the same way during a game. He just, he, he never gets too excited, never get the moment's never too big for Jaden, which is crazy to say as a rookie. Rookie, but he is, he's going to be him. And who he is is just awesome.
- [100:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [100:50]
PFT Commenter
So watch this clip here. Doing sen.
- [100:54]
Big Cat
He's just like, okay, cool, we won the game.
- [100:59]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, nice.
- [101:00]
Big Cat
We won.
- [101:00]
PFT Commenter
Which is so the, the Chiefs thing, which is my favorite team plays today. I'm going to kill myself. Oh, nice. We won. I had memes whip up a Commander's version. The commander's version is like in the middle. It's just this game is really close. Holy. Jane Daniels is good. And then at the end. Nice. We won.
- [101:17]
Big Cat
He's gonna do something awesome and we're gonna win this game somehow.
- [101:20]
PFT Commenter
This, this happens every week. Again, goes back to the question of are the Commanders a good team? I still don't know how good we are.
- [101:27]
Big Cat
I think Jaden Daniels is a good team.
- [101:28]
PFT Commenter
I think he's a good team. Jane Daniels is the best team I've ever rooted for in my life.
- [101:33]
Big Cat
He's a really good team. I. It was. I mean the fact. Let's just. The elf in the room. The, the. The doinkin just was so appropriate for like the, the. Where the Bears stand and where the commander stand is two franchises that like, it had to be a doinkin but.
- [101:49]
PFT Commenter
Who doinks to kick in.
- [101:50]
Big Cat
I, I was just sitting there like, I can't believe that. That you got the doink in. But Jayden Daniels is just. I like watching it. I never. When they got the ball back with four and a half minutes, it's like he's going to drive them down the field and they're going to win this game with a walk off field goal. I said it to Jerry. I said it in my head. The fourth and one play where he was dead to rights and he finds a way to get that first down. Like he's just special. I don't know what else to say. Like he's special. And I think his specialness rubs off on the entire team where it's like maybe they're not the most talented group, but when you got a guy like that, your confidence gets to a different level.
- [102:30]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And you know that like the, the inches that are all around us.
- [102:33]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [102:34]
PFT Commenter
Like he gets those inches.
- [102:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [102:35]
PFT Commenter
Jaden Daniels leads the league in inches all around. Around him.
- [102:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [102:38]
PFT Commenter
That he acquires.
- [102:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [102:39]
PFT Commenter
And there's. Every time something like this happens, I still have a part of my brain that has to think if Dan Snyder was still the owner, there's no chance that ball bounces in.
- [102:51]
Big Cat
Right.
- [102:51]
PFT Commenter
Bounces in. And something interesting about the. The Commander's playoff history. So this is their first playoff win in 19 years since 2006. January 26th.
- [103:01]
Big Cat
Against the Bucks.
- [103:02]
PFT Commenter
Against the Bucks.
- [103:03]
Max
Bucks.
- [103:04]
PFT Commenter
The previous playoff game before that, I believe was 1999. And it was also against the Bucs. And that was Dan Snyder's first playoff game as owner. We're down 14, 13. Kicking a field goal at the end of the fourth quarter. Botch the snap. Everything goes to game over in this, Josh Harris's first game as owner. The ball bounces off the upright and somehow goes in. Yeah, like, just good vibe. There's been good vibes around this team all season long where just the smallest tends to break our way when we need it the most. And I don't know. I don't know how else to explain it. I. I'm so happy getting to watch Jaden Daniels and also Terry McLaurin. Another great game.
- [103:48]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [103:48]
PFT Commenter
And our defense, we just stepped up and now we're like a medium defense. Marshawn Lattimore gotta get.
- [103:56]
Big Cat
You get medium plus.
- [103:57]
PFT Commenter
We do get. Yeah, medium plus. A lot of places don't say medium plus exists. Marshall Lattimore got cooked in the first half by Mike Evans, but still, I think he was held under 100 yards somehow. But this team is. There's just something about them that I love watching. I don't know if they're good, but they're great.
- [104:16]
Big Cat
No, it's. It's Jaden Daniels.
- [104:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [104:18]
Big Cat
Like, it. I. The new owner thing, obviously I want a new owner so bad, basically, on all the teams, but Jaden Daniels is that guy. Like, he's the guy that. I really do believe in it. Like, in sports, like, if you have a guy like Jaden Daniels, everyone plays a little bit better. Yeah, everyone plays a little bit better than their talent level because of him.
- [104:39]
PFT Commenter
You think you can win, right?
- [104:40]
Big Cat
And you think you, you, you. You're thinking the same thing I was thinking, where it's like, they're going to. They're going to win this game. They're going to go down the field and they're going to win this game.
- [104:47]
PFT Commenter
I felt good about the game from the very first drive that we had had. And even on defense when we held him to a field goal right off the bat. But then we got the ball in our hands and we were moving the ball and it was like, this is exactly how I saw it playing out, which is Todd Bowles is going to try to blitz a lot. And Jaden is different quarterback than who we saw in week one. He's more decisive. He's going to be able to take off and run when he has to, but also, more importantly, he's going to hit guys in the middle of the field when he has to. And he played. He played a great game. Our running game was virtually non existent.
- [105:17]
Big Cat
Because stuffed everything.
- [105:18]
PFT Commenter
Vita V is just a mountain of a human being.
- [105:21]
Big Cat
He's one of my favor players.
- [105:22]
PFT Commenter
He's. He's great. And every time we kept trying to run it up the middle. And Brian Robinson is the last person that you should be asking to run against defense like that because he hates bouncing to the outside.
- [105:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [105:32]
PFT Commenter
Brian Robinson, if he gets the ball, he wants to run at somebody's face and run him over for like, two, three extra yards and, like, soften them up over the course of a game. You're not going to soften Vita V up.
- [105:43]
Big Cat
No.
- [105:43]
PFT Commenter
He's untenderizable.
- [105:44]
Big Cat
Yeah. This is where. This is the point of the program. I'm very happy for you. Pft. That was an awesome game. Game. The doinkin incredible. Jaden Daniels, like, he is that guy. This is the part of the program, though, where Max tells you all the stuff. Yeah. If Baker Mayfield doesn't fumble a snap.
- [105:59]
PFT Commenter
That game, I was going to lead off.
- [106:01]
Max
Well, there's one other.
- [106:01]
PFT Commenter
I was going to lead off by saying he didn't throw any interception. So I don't know what I'm supposed to talk about right off the jump.
- [106:06]
Max
Well, the center also just come.
- [106:08]
PFT Commenter
Yuck.
- [106:08]
Max
My young balls way too. You got. You had three plays that just were destined.
- [106:14]
Big Cat
It's.
- [106:14]
Max
I was really going off its team of destinies.
- [106:16]
Big Cat
I'd rather be lucky than.
- [106:17]
PFT Commenter
Good.
- [106:17]
Big Cat
Good.
- [106:18]
Max
Yeah. No, I'm.
- [106:18]
Hank
I.
- [106:19]
Max
There's a voodoo. Or what Big Head said is exactly what I was right.
- [106:23]
Big Cat
It's a good voodoo.
- [106:24]
Max
Everything just goes the Commander's way. And trust me, I am the biggest Commanders fan this weekend.
- [106:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [106:30]
Max
I. I want the Commanders to win.
- [106:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [106:32]
PFT Commenter
I can't. I can't have Max. Max, you can't.
- [106:35]
Big Cat
Oh, an NFC championship with the Eagles.
- [106:39]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [106:40]
Max
He sounds like I'm rooting for my friend. Pft.
- [106:42]
Big Cat
No.
- [106:42]
PFT Commenter
No.
- [106:43]
Hank
Interesting.
- [106:43]
PFT Commenter
I. I can't have Max's stink on this team.
- [106:47]
Max
Too bad.
- [106:48]
PFT Commenter
I. I ban you from cheering for the Commanders.
- [106:51]
Max
Would I rather go to Detroit or have the Commanders come to Philly?
- [106:54]
Big Cat
I thought you play whoever you play.
- [106:56]
Max
Would I rather go to Detroit?
- [106:58]
PFT Commenter
You got to be good teams.
- [107:00]
Big Cat
You got to be playoff teams.
- [107:01]
Hank
Do not care about our friend Jared.
- [107:03]
Max
I care about my friend. Pft.
- [107:05]
PFT Commenter
You don't care about me, and that's fine.
- [107:07]
Max
And Dan Quinn.
- [107:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
- [107:09]
Max
Friend of the program.
- [107:10]
Big Cat
Yeah. What about Dan Campbell? Friend of the program.
- [107:12]
Max
I care about him, too.
- [107:14]
Big Cat
Monroe St. Brown.
- [107:15]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [107:15]
Big Cat
Friend of the program.
- [107:16]
Max
Dan Quinn.
- [107:17]
Big Cat
Detroit Don and super fan. So friends of the program. Max.
- [107:21]
PFT Commenter
We. We we did get some breaks today. They got some breaks too. It happens. Alyssa. But also if, okay, if they fumble a snap and they don't get a, a third down conversion, then guess what, you still have to go win the game. Game.
- [107:36]
Max
No, I like.
- [107:36]
PFT Commenter
We're good enough to. Here's, here's where we're at. We're not a great team. We're good enough and Jaden is good enough to take advantage of every miss. If you give him a window, he will find a way to win a game. At the end.
- [107:49]
Max
Jayden Daniels is good as like, really, really good.
- [107:52]
Big Cat
Yeah, the Bucks, the Buck. The Commanders were better than the Bucks today. And the Bucks, there's two things. One, Todd Bowles, I don't know what happens in his burn, but he somehow fucked up the clock on the end of the first half. And the end of the game, like the end of the first half didn't end up mattering because they scored a touchdown. But that guy's brain just freezes. And then you have, I don't know, the third best quarterback statistically this season. Just talking statistics. So not, not doing a debate on like, you know, but like Lamar, Josh, Josh Baker, those three, Sam Darnold, maybe so four top four statistical season this year. Burrow. Fuck five. All right. Fuck five. Baker had an incredible year is what I'm trying to say. He threw the ball 18 times. I don't understand what they were doing. Yeah, and it was partly because the Commanders did a great job of keeping the ball out of the Buck's hands. The Commanders had the ball for 35 minutes, but I don't understand how he's not throwing the ball more than that.
- [108:54]
PFT Commenter
Bucky was also running with the ball pretty well.
- [108:56]
Big Cat
He was. But Baker's your guy. Guy like, that's your guy. That's your dog. I know he had some runs too, so there's probably more pass plays called. But Todd Bowles is just. He freezes. I don't know what the. Goes on.
- [109:09]
PFT Commenter
Did you, did you hear his speech or his interview that he gave out of halftime?
- [109:14]
Big Cat
No.
- [109:14]
PFT Commenter
Can we play that?
- [109:15]
Big Cat
Was it. Just as uninspiring as I imagine it to be.
- [109:18]
PFT Commenter
He got so confused. I forgot which was left and which was right. Yeah, like, listen to his explanation here. Gotta get him in long, third and longer yard. You gotta win.
- [109:28]
Big Cat
First down and keep getting out the pocket to his left, to his. Our left, his. His left and our left, his right. I mean, got to cut that down. This guy's just panicked.
- [109:37]
PFT Commenter
What, what side was he telling his defense.
- [109:40]
Big Cat
Their left.
- [109:41]
PFT Commenter
No, but his left.
- [109:42]
Big Cat
Their left.
- [109:43]
PFT Commenter
He said his left.
- [109:44]
Big Cat
Our left.
- [109:46]
PFT Commenter
He doesn't know left from right.
- [109:47]
Big Cat
He. He. He's just. I mean, he was so lost with the timeout situation. He had no idea what to do.
- [109:54]
PFT Commenter
What he did at the end of the first half was one of the more puzzling things I've ever seen.
- [109:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [109:58]
PFT Commenter
Is letting the cl. How many seconds did he.
- [110:00]
Big Cat
It was like 17 seconds. He's just like it. Then we'll call timeout. I mean, again, this was the Commander's win. It was a special night for the Commanders. But Todd Bowles, like, what are you doing, dude? He just can't be in those pressure moments.
- [110:14]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [110:15]
Big Cat
And that's. I mean, the. The Bucks. What do we grade their season?
- [110:20]
PFT Commenter
I would say they did.
- [110:21]
Big Cat
They did have both their cornerbacks get hurt. Well, I think one was hurt going into the game, then the other one got hurt. So. So. But you guys also had some injuries on cornerback, right? So. Yeah, yeah, We're.
- [110:32]
PFT Commenter
We're a little bit banged up. Marshall Lattimore is injured, obviously.
- [110:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [110:37]
PFT Commenter
I hope he's injured, because otherwise it's not. It's not a very good performance out of a healthy Marshawn Lattimore, given what we're paying him. But I would give the Bucks a B. You won your division.
- [110:49]
Big Cat
Baker's awesome.
- [110:50]
PFT Commenter
Baker's awesome.
- [110:50]
Big Cat
That's really what it is. Like, Baker's awesome. Awesome.
- [110:52]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [110:53]
Big Cat
What?
- [110:54]
Max
I think PFT is just the teacher that just gives everybody a B, B.
- [110:57]
PFT Commenter
No, I gave the Chargers an A minus.
- [110:59]
Max
Well, we.
- [111:00]
PFT Commenter
I gave them. I gave the Broncos recency bias.
- [111:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:03]
PFT Commenter
Wait, so those are two A grades out of four that I've given.
- [111:06]
Big Cat
I know.
- [111:07]
Max
I was just thinking of the last one of the Packers. I mean, the packers didn't get it.
- [111:11]
PFT Commenter
Why are you. Why are you so angry with me today, Max?
- [111:14]
Hank
Because he seems like a Commander's fan.
- [111:16]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [111:17]
Max
That's also not.
- [111:19]
Big Cat
He's just. He's just in. He's in playoff mode. Yeah, he's in playoff mode. He's in survival mode.
- [111:23]
PFT Commenter
See, I love the Commanders, and I love Jaden Daniels, and this season has been an incredible gift, and I'm so excited about what's coming next. Next week we can talk about. Let's not talk about next week right now. How about that?
- [111:36]
Big Cat
You should not. I don't want to think about the Lions until Thursday.
- [111:40]
PFT Commenter
Not going to think about the Lions.
- [111:41]
Big Cat
Like, just enjoy this win. There's no reason to think about the line.
- [111:44]
PFT Commenter
We're playing team X. Next week.
- [111:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [111:46]
PFT Commenter
Who knows? Maybe their offense is bad. Who knows?
- [111:49]
Big Cat
Here's nothing to lose. Here's the thing. Pft. Like, you don't think about the lines. Can I talk a little bit about it real quick? You don't have to think about it.
- [111:55]
PFT Commenter
I won't.
- [111:57]
Big Cat
The Lions are a way better team than the commanders. Deal. The Lions don't have Jane Daniels, and something happens where. I mean, they did a montage in the game of, like, crazy moments.
- [112:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And there have been some fucking crazy ones. The Bears game, obviously. The Cowboys game, which wasn't even him. He was on the sidelines in the second half cheering on Marcus Mariota.
- [112:20]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [112:20]
PFT Commenter
The Eagles game. When he came back against that really, really good defense that the Eagles have.
- [112:24]
Big Cat
Yep.
- [112:25]
PFT Commenter
And just shredded him. The Falcons game, the Saints game, and the Falcons game.
- [112:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [112:30]
PFT Commenter
Like, it always comes down to the last minute with this guy. If we can get to the last minute against the Lions, I will be a very, very happy man.
- [112:37]
Big Cat
Just get to the last minute.
- [112:38]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [112:38]
Hank
Shock the world.
- [112:39]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, the world.
- [112:40]
Big Cat
Shock the world. Max is rooting for you.
- [112:42]
PFT Commenter
Thank you, Max. That means a lot.
- [112:43]
Max
Let's go commies.
- [112:44]
PFT Commenter
Let's go commies. Left hand up, Max.
- [112:45]
Max
Yep.
- [112:46]
Big Cat
So, Jaden, I was. I'm rooting for you because I would love to see Eagles commanders and a championship game. That would be numbers.
- [112:52]
Hank
I mean, you guys taught me when the Patriots played the Rams.
- [112:54]
Big Cat
I.
- [112:54]
Hank
You know, it's not right to root against our friend Jared Goff. So I'm going to root for the lines based off what you guys said to me.
- [113:01]
Max
No, you're not.
- [113:01]
PFT Commenter
You have the commanders.
- [113:02]
Big Cat
I don't even remember what you're talking about.
- [113:06]
PFT Commenter
Hank is. Hank is all over the map with it. You know what your problem is, Hank? You have, like, conflicting allegiances due to your troll brain and your vet brain. And sometimes. And sometimes that.
- [113:17]
Big Cat
That's.
- [113:17]
PFT Commenter
Sometimes they.
- [113:18]
Hank
I'm not worried about that.
- [113:19]
PFT Commenter
Bet. They might not. But Jaden Daniels might.
- [113:21]
Big Cat
Yeah. They might just give him the Lombardi.
- [113:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [113:24]
Big Cat
It's. It's. It's Lions versus Ravens, and they're like. Before we get. Before we give this to the winner, Jaden Daniels, please come on down.
- [113:32]
PFT Commenter
I would take it. He. He is the first rookie quarterback to win in the playoffs on the road since 2012. Russell Wilson. Don't ask who he played or where he played. And before that was Mark Sanchez. For that, Joe Flacco. And then before that, all the way back to 1976, Pat Hayden. So I'm gonna say it. I'm Gonna stamp my grade on the commander season already. A plus.
- [113:53]
Big Cat
A plus, plus.
- [113:53]
PFT Commenter
A plus plus.
- [113:54]
Big Cat
You want a playoff game?
- [113:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [113:55]
Big Cat
Rookie quarterback.
- [113:56]
Max
Don't. Don't. Don't put a grade on it yet.
- [113:59]
Big Cat
Just. Yeah, it's still going. Yeah, it's still going.
- [114:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. But can it get higher?
- [114:03]
Max
Let's go win the. Let's go win this week. Weekend.
- [114:06]
PFT Commenter
Let's do it, Max.
- [114:07]
Big Cat
Give him a pump up.
- [114:08]
Max
Let's go.
- [114:08]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Did you see that play at the end where can. He tried to tackle Jaden from behind and grabbed his towel and then just kept sprinting towards Jaden with Jaden's full towel in his hand.
- [114:19]
Big Cat
Yeah, that was. I mean, that. That play was. He was. Can't see. Had him, and then he just didn't. He was playing flag football with him. He was just running with his towel behind him.
- [114:31]
PFT Commenter
He should drop the towel where he tackled.
- [114:32]
Big Cat
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. And the doink in. I can't believe it. By the way, Zane Gonzalez does have ocd, so don't make fun of him.
- [114:41]
PFT Commenter
He does, but that's his superpower.
- [114:42]
Big Cat
Yeah. He fixed his hair aund times getting.
- [114:45]
PFT Commenter
Ready for the kick, and it's like the shortest hair ever. So when he kept fixing it, I was like, is there a bug on there?
- [114:49]
Big Cat
But he actually does have ocd, and.
- [114:51]
PFT Commenter
His compulsion is that he has to split the uprights or at least bounce off the inside of him.
- [114:55]
Big Cat
He's got to doink him in. I can't believe it. Doinked in. I Did you think for a second it was not good when it hit it? Yes. I did, too. I was like, oh, I needed overtime for basically. I mean, we should talk about it. Hank. That was the. We all bet it.
- [115:10]
Hank
Yeah, we had the PMT. Me and PFT did the parlay that Jaden Daniels, he. We needed 40 rushing yards from him on that last scramble.
- [115:19]
Big Cat
He also had, like 25 in the first quarter.
- [115:21]
Hank
Yeah, on that last scramble play, he got the 40 yards. That was it. Last leg. And then he took the centering snap, nailed it down. So we went from cashing it to losing it. All the wls. I took it. I'm sorry. Yeah, I feel it worse than you do.
- [115:37]
Big Cat
It was. It was. It was not.
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Hank
So I was rooting. I was rooting for overtime.
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Big Cat
Yeah, I was, too, because I had the over for a lot. I was rooting hard for overtime and.
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PFT Commenter
Very clearly, so that everyone can hear it when people get mad at Big Cat and Hank and they're like, why aren't you Happier for pft. I don't need them to be happy for me. That's. That's not your job to be happy. That's not your team that you're rooting for. Like, I understand. Like, okay, it's cool if your friend did something, whatever.
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Big Cat
Yeah, I'm happy for you right now.
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PFT Commenter
But if it comes to, like, if you have a bet. Yeah, that's on the line, you're gonna root for that bet. And I would root for that bet in your. In your position every single time.
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Big Cat
Also, it would be the weirdest thing ever if Hank and I celebrated with pft. Like. Like, we were like, oh, we did it. You did it.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
That would be bizarre.
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Max
I always root for the command, especially.
- [116:22]
Big Cat
When you have an. Your parlay and my nuke on the over, which was brutal.
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PFT Commenter
Well, you know what? We are genuinely super, super upset whenever Max loses something.
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Big Cat
That's true. I am always upset for Max.
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PFT Commenter
Actually, you know what? I. Max has almost gone to the point where now I would be happy for Max.
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Big Cat
I was thinking about this.
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PFT Commenter
I said the word almost very clearly.
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Big Cat
Yes, I agree with.
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PFT Commenter
With that almost.
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Big Cat
I missed the almost.
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PFT Commenter
It's close. We're getting dangerously close to me being happy for Max with a win.
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Big Cat
I was thinking about that the other day because I was like, if he. If the Eagles go to the Super Bowl. But I actually put. Hank has money on the Eagles Super Bowl. I do as well. The.
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PFT Commenter
You're all. Hank's just all over the map.
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Big Cat
Yeah. He's got other Bills, too.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah. The only team Hank. This is where the troll brain come. The only team Hank didn't have a future on was the Chargers.
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Hank
No, no. I have $100 on the commanders from, like, the beginning of the season when I went on a heater two weeks ago. I have five grand. It's the biggest bet I ever placed on the Eagles.
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PFT Commenter
Okay.
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Hank
And then I have, like, some other futures that are, like, Bills to win the conference and Eagles to win the conference. But though, like, the Eagles future is the biggest bet I think I've ever made.
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PFT Commenter
Should we all just declare?
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Hank
And if they just make it to the Super Bowl, I'm cashing out. I'll say that right now. Should we all declare after I bet it?
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PFT Commenter
I hated it. Our gambling allegiances.
- [117:37]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
Get them out in the open.
- [117:39]
Hank
I have anyone but the Chiefs.
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Max
What if they play the Chiefs? Will you keep it?
- [117:42]
Hank
Yeah.
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Big Cat
I. I don't know.
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Hank
I have said I hate you so much.
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Big Cat
I had. I had the Chargers obviously dead. I've Paul I have no apology because you. You flip flopped. You did flip flop. And I have a Ohio State to win the national title and Eagles to win the super bowl parlay. That's like 12 to 1. That would be a significant hit. And I have not. If anyone has an idea of who I should bet on to win NCAA Basketball player of the Year, let me know.
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PFT Commenter
Okay.
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Big Cat
I would like to place a bet. Bet on someone.
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Max
Eric Dixon is really underrated.
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Big Cat
From where?
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Max
From Villanova.
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Big Cat
Oh, no way. I would not. No.
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PFT Commenter
I have no.
- [118:30]
Big Cat
Is he really good?
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Max
He's awesome. Leads the country in scoring.
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Big Cat
In scoring.
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Hank
They just beat Yukon.
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Big Cat
They just beat Yukon. Wait. He leads the country in scoring. I'm not going to bet on that guy. But tell me more about how good he is.
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Max
He's so good. He is so good. And it just. Villanova's coming on strong too, at the right time. We don't have to talk about what happened this weekend. It's football season, but they're trending in the right direction. So, like, really, really.
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Big Cat
What's.
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Max
Eric Dixon from Villanova?
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Big Cat
And he's. He could be the best. He could. He is like the Heisman for college basketball.
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Max
Yes. Yeah.
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Big Cat
How's that voted?
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Max
It's the best player in the country and he is the best player.
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Big Cat
I don't think I'm going to bet on that, but I would like an update every show on. On how he's doing, if he's doing well.
- [119:17]
Hank
I also have Celtics, Barcelona and Eagles.
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PFT Commenter
Future National. I'm just gonna get that out there.
- [119:23]
Hank
I just want to get that on there.
- [119:24]
Big Cat
All right, fine. We'll. We'll empty the clip.
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PFT Commenter
Okay. I've got the Buffalo Bills, Muscle Lions.
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Hank
And Hideki Matsuyama to win the match.
- [119:30]
PFT Commenter
What I've got, I got the Buffalo Bills, Lamar Jackson and then Manchester United to be relegated, but that money goes to Chief, which could be worth ten grand. And then the Washington Capitals to win the Stanley Cup.
- [119:43]
Big Cat
I have just. Currently the Eagles and the Ohio State Buckeyes both to win parlayed. I have Utah to win the national championship this year.
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PFT Commenter
And what sport?
- [119:57]
Big Cat
Football.
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PFT Commenter
Okay.
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Big Cat
You don't know. They haven't crowned one yet. I've got Oregon still pending.
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PFT Commenter
You never know.
- [120:03]
Big Cat
Still pending. And then I have UConn in basketball 19 1. That's just a. Respect. Respect I wanted the last two years. I had to do it again.
- [120:11]
PFT Commenter
Here's a fun stat real quick from. This is from Opta Stats. In NFL history, there have been three instances of a team having zero turnovers and Zero punts in a game behind a rookie starting quarterback back.
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Big Cat
Whoa.
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PFT Commenter
All three were by Jaden Daniels and the Commanders. Wow. Two week three, and tonight.
- [120:31]
Big Cat
Damn.
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PFT Commenter
That's insane.
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Big Cat
That is insane.
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PFT Commenter
I love this guy.
- [120:34]
Big Cat
That is insane.
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PFT Commenter
I love. I love him, Max. He's so good.
- [120:38]
Max
He turned it over on downs twice.
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Big Cat
Oh.
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PFT Commenter
Oh, that doesn't count. It's not.
- [120:41]
Big Cat
It's not a quarterback mentioned the Baker fumble.
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Max
Well, I didn't say. That has nothing to do with that stat.
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Big Cat
No. Oh, you're. Oh, you're specifically talking about this station stat.
- [120:50]
Max
Correct.
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PFT Commenter
Okay, well, hey, Max, how about this? If we kicked field goals every time on fourth down, then that Baker fumble doesn't really mean anything.
- [120:58]
Max
But you didn't, and then you failed.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, but you're. You're taking away turnovers for the Bucks, but not taking away turnovers for the Commanders.
- [121:06]
Max
They. They were just unforced. They were just unforced errors.
- [121:09]
PFT Commenter
We won the game.
- [121:10]
Max
No, I, I. The command. The Commanders deserve to win that game. The command. All I wanted to say was that the Commanders have, like, some weird voodoo going.
- [121:18]
PFT Commenter
They do.
- [121:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [121:19]
Max
That, like, things break their way at the end of games, which is good. That is, that isn't a. That isn't like an insult to the Commanders.
- [121:28]
Big Cat
That is.
- [121:28]
Max
I, I would love a team for that to be my team. No, that's a good thing.
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PFT Commenter
You're right that we do have that. And Adam Peters gets a lot of credit, too, for the just complete roster turnaround that's happened. Just all new guys. Dan Quinn's done a great job. I'm just. I'm the happiest I can remember being as a football fan. Maybe ever. Maybe. Maybe ever. If we're talking about Arrows, if we're doing the air.
- [121:51]
Big Cat
Yeah. This has got to be better than RG3 now.
- [121:55]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I mean, the wild card game that year.
- [121:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. Was this disaster. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. That. This was like the final.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [122:04]
Big Cat
Jaden Daniels has to actually. Holy. That low. Low hit on Jaden Daniels Finals. That. That looked bad.
- [122:11]
PFT Commenter
Shane. I agreed to turn injuries off at the start of this game. And that one. This is now two games. Not two games in a row, because the Falcons game and then this one where his knee bends and you're like, this is it. And then he just stands up.
- [122:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [122:26]
PFT Commenter
He's just, like, not injured. But yeah, this is. This is way better than 2005 because we had Mark Brunel, who was like 46 years old, and that's the only other playoff win that I can remember.
- [122:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [122:39]
PFT Commenter
Except for the Super Bowl. I remember that.
- [122:42]
Big Cat
91 the. Yeah. I mean, it was an incredible game. Jaden Daniels, he's special. Do you guys want to do let's do two more ads and we want to try to figure out who's going to win. Vikings, Rams, and also we will talk a little Texas, Ohio State, because that happened on Friday night. Yep.
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PFT Commenter
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- [125:39]
Big Cat
Okay. Who do we think is gonna win Monday football? I don't know. Anyone got an idea? Idea?
- [125:45]
PFT Commenter
I. I do think it's like the.
- [125:48]
Big Cat
Fact they're playing in Arizona is weird. Go ahead.
- [125:52]
PFT Commenter
I think I think the Vikings should win, but I also think that Sean McVeigh. And that's the end of that sentence.
- [126:01]
Big Cat
And Sam Darnold. I'm a little nervous.
- [126:03]
PFT Commenter
I just think Sean McVeigh. I would not bet against him in the playoffs.
- [126:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [126:08]
Hank
With all this, the obviously super tragic stuff going on in la, do you think it like is more team of destiny vibes or like distraction vibes that's gonna affect them negatively?
- [126:18]
Big Cat
Well, PFT said it last week when he was like, why didn't the Rams try to win that game to get a better seed? And he was like, what's up? What's up with that? And Sean McVeigh's done that before. I think that's the year they won the Super Bowl.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [126:31]
Big Cat
I feel like he knows. He, like he's got a good team.
- [126:35]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. I think he knows something. He knows something because on paper, you should have tried to win that Wind horse. Wind horse. Why did he do that?
- [126:42]
Big Cat
Why did he do.
- [126:43]
PFT Commenter
Why did he feel so confident rolling Jimmy Garoppolo out there? It's because he. He knew either one that resting his guys was more important than whoever they played.
- [126:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [126:53]
PFT Commenter
Or because he sees some weird voodoo matchup.
- [126:58]
Big Cat
Yeah. I have no idea. With this game, I feel like whatever side I'm gonna bet is gonna be wrong. But I also have to root against the Rams.
- [127:03]
PFT Commenter
But he also didn't know who he would be playing.
- [127:06]
Big Cat
Right.
- [127:06]
PFT Commenter
In that opening game. It could have been the Lions.
- [127:08]
Big Cat
Right.
- [127:08]
PFT Commenter
Or maybe he just knew that the Lions Were going to roll the Vikings.
- [127:11]
Big Cat
Right.
- [127:11]
PFT Commenter
Who knows? But I'm sure I'll have some degree of like super confidence in whatever I choose to gamble on tomorrow.
- [127:18]
Big Cat
Oh, for sure.
- [127:19]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [127:19]
Big Cat
Oh, I'm gonna be like, yeah, I'm right. I. I just can't. I can't get that Sam Darnold. It is stupid. I can't get the week 18. And that was also just a Lion's great defensive game plan. But what if the Rams have a great defensive game?
- [127:33]
PFT Commenter
Well, they did with Sam Darnold.
- [127:34]
Big Cat
Yeah, they beat him already this year. Yeah.
- [127:36]
PFT Commenter
Is grab his face mask when the refs.
- [127:38]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's true. No, but that was a game that the, the. I don't think Sam Darnold played very well against the Rams when they played earlier this season. Is that not. Am I imagining that? I just remember that was the game that Puka was coming back and it was like, oh shit. Is he going to start? Oh yeah, he is going to start.
- [127:53]
PFT Commenter
And he's going to have 106 yards.
- [127:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. And he's going to be awesome. He's going to catch every single ball. Yes. Sam Donald, he was okay in that game. He wasn't bad.
- [128:02]
PFT Commenter
So Matt Stafford is very good against the blitz. He's one of the best quarterbacks against the blitz.
- [128:06]
Big Cat
That's what I remembered. Yeah.
- [128:08]
PFT Commenter
But also we can agree that Matt St. Not all pressures are created equally.
- [128:12]
Big Cat
But he also just had a week off. He.
- [128:14]
PFT Commenter
He can't really move that well.
- [128:16]
Big Cat
Maybe he's healthy again.
- [128:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it could be.
- [128:18]
Big Cat
Maybe he spent the week off at ALO. He's feeling good.
- [128:21]
PFT Commenter
Maybe a little Daniel Jones 2 headed.
- [128:24]
Big Cat
Monster with Sam Darnold.
- [128:26]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Mix him in there. He'll never see coming.
- [128:28]
Hank
Room.
- [128:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, it's a great room.
- [128:30]
Big Cat
That's a great room.
- [128:30]
PFT Commenter
If we're going off rooms, I need.
- [128:32]
Hank
I, I need at least 10 minutes on the broadcast talking about that room.
- [128:35]
PFT Commenter
That room is a one seed.
- [128:36]
Big Cat
Yeah. For sure. For sure. The Ohio State Buckeyes beat the Texas Longhorns on Friday night. Was a great game. So much for the people saying that the College Football Playoff expanded playoffs suck. They basically they, they had us in the first half. The first round looked bad.
- [128:58]
Hank
Ratings were bad for.
- [129:00]
Big Cat
Who the fuck cares? I don't says something. Not to me.
- [129:07]
PFT Commenter
I mean I, I heard some people saying that they're dragging the season out too long. I'm fine with dragging the football season's longer.
- [129:13]
Big Cat
I do think college football should end a little bit earlier. Just naturally. Like I, I think it's weird the national championship is going to happen after the divisional round of the NFL. Well, yeah, but I, Yeah, I mean I, I've never, I've never watched a, a playoff game or any game and enjoyed the hell out of it. And then afterwards been like, damn, the ratings were bad. Maybe I didn't like it.
- [129:35]
Hank
Sure. Ratings don't matter.
- [129:36]
Big Cat
I mean, they, they just don't matter to my enjoyment of the game. No, like I enjoyed the hell out of that game. I thought it was a great game. Ohio State, it was like Will Howard was awesome in that first drive and then, and then he was not. And they were like. There was that moment where you're like, is Ohio State gonna like this up. Are they gonna Ryan Day it up? That screen pass the end of the half? I don't, I still don't know how that happened. I don't know how you blitz in that situation if you're Texas. And then it all came down to the first and goal series. That Sark play calling has been questioned over and over.
- [130:10]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. Where they ran the toss play out to the left where they went backwards about 4 yards. I don't know why you do that. Don't really get it. We should say though, Caleb Downs made a great play on it.
- [130:20]
Big Cat
Caleb Downs is a heat seeking missile on that play.
- [130:23]
PFT Commenter
Caleb Downs has been doing that all season long. He, he takes the perfect angle every single time. He's a great player. So, yeah, a great player made a great play on a bad play call.
- [130:31]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [130:31]
PFT Commenter
How about that?
- [130:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [130:34]
PFT Commenter
Texas had a chance going at the end. They just made more plays. Texas, the better team, won. Jeremiah Smith was not really part of. He was.
- [130:43]
Big Cat
No, they shut him down, which is.
- [130:44]
PFT Commenter
Crazy to say, like, just throw the ball to Jeremiah Smith every single time because you probably could do that. But Texas, I don't know if Texas took him out of the game. No.
- [130:51]
Big Cat
Texas defense balled out.
- [130:52]
PFT Commenter
And Ohio State does have other good wide receivers.
- [130:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [130:55]
PFT Commenter
And they made plays.
- [130:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. No, Texas defense was, was phenomenal in that game outside of the screen pass at the end of the first half, which was horrific. I said it before the game. I, I'm over the Quinn Ewers experiment. No offense to him. He's like, it's a perspective thing because I, I do think Quinn Ewers had a great college career. He's taken Texas to the semifinal and back to back years. Which if you said that to a Texas fan five years ago, 10 years ago, you're like, sign me up. I also think Texas does this weird thing where like they're comparing everyone to college Vince Young and you don't. You can't really get better than college Vince Young. So it's like if that's the standard, standard you every. You're going to be disappointed forever in the quarterbacks you have. But I just.
- [131:42]
PFT Commenter
Even Colt McCoy never reached college Vince Young.
- [131:45]
Big Cat
Right.
- [131:45]
PFT Commenter
So he's a great quarterback.
- [131:46]
Big Cat
It's an impossible standard. I just. Quinn, yours is a good quarterback. I just don't know if he's like that. That extra step of getting you again, it's. We're talking about perspective here. Like it's talking about getting you to the national championship, which. He's a really good quarterback. I just don't know if he's. I would of. I wonder how good Arch Manning is going to be. That's kind of what I'm getting at. If Arch Manning is good next year, will Sark look back and be like, yeah, he probably that up.
- [132:12]
PFT Commenter
I think this was important for Sark to, to show Quinn Ewers that he had his back. Yeah, I understand because everybody was saying put an Arch. And I was saying it too, like if you have, if you're looking for a couple yards, you have a quarterback that can move. And also he's definitely a threat to pass, but like much more capable of picking up a couple yards in a running game than Quinn would be be. I don't know why you wouldn't put him in, but I think that Sark had some weird like blood oath with Quinn Ers. It's like, you're my guy, I'm not. We're bringing Arch in. Probably when they first signed Arch.
- [132:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [132:40]
PFT Commenter
He was like, Quinn, I want to let you know, I want to give you my word that he's not coming here to take your job. And we're not going to play into any of that. There's going to be a lot of media talk. The fans are going to say, we want Arch. This is you, this is me talking to you. And I give you my word, you're my guy.
- [132:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [132:55]
PFT Commenter
I think this was sarcophagus like fulfilling on that when he did have something that he could have done that probably would have given a slightly better chance to win.
- [133:04]
Big Cat
Cooler than that is winning a semi final game and going to the national championship also correct? Yeah. Also I'm very happy for Jack Sawyer because he's obviously been the butt of a lot of jokes going 0 and 4 against Michigan, the whole flag thing. He has been phenomenal in these playoffs. He's stepped it up a level and that, that it was like the slowest fumble return ever. But it was also like, it actually was kind of cool how slow it was.
- [133:28]
PFT Commenter
He was gassed after about 15 yards.
- [133:29]
Big Cat
Yeah. Because you could. You like Ohio State fans got to celebrate for about 17 minutes as he ran down the field for you.
- [133:36]
PFT Commenter
Was it. Did you like see it in the moment and think to yourself this is an all time Ohio State highlight? Like it's perfect for him?
- [133:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [133:42]
PFT Commenter
I don't know if you knew this. He's from Columbus.
- [133:44]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. And Jack Sawyer. He is. And Jack Sawyer was not the reason why they lost to Michigan. He actually made the play that should have been like the crowning moment for him to beat Michigan with that inner. So Ohio State looks awesome. That was a great, great game. And I do think that like so the college football expanded playoff, the people who are upset about it. And I get it, the first round did suck. There's a chance, I don't know what it would have totally worked out because they would have judged things differently in a four team playoff. But there's a chance that Notre Dame and Ohio State wouldn't even been in the playoff. In a 14 playoff. There's a chance. Chance because it probably they could have gone. Oregon in what, Texas in. Georgia in.
- [134:29]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [134:29]
Big Cat
And then maybe Penn State, although it pro. Ohio State probably would have jumped. I. I don't know.
- [134:35]
PFT Commenter
State would have jumped the loser of the SEC championship game or the Big Ten.
- [134:38]
Big Cat
So it might have been both teams.
- [134:39]
PFT Commenter
If Texas had lost that game like they did.
- [134:41]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [134:41]
PFT Commenter
Then I think Ohio State maybe would have jumped.
- [134:43]
Big Cat
But I. More than anything, like I know that the, the argument. Yeah. What was the final rankings? So Notre Dame would have been. Been three, Texas would have been four, Penn State five, Ohio State six. So according to the last rankings, Ohio State wouldn't have been in these playoffs.
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Max
Wait, this was ap. I didn't.
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Big Cat
Okay, let me pull. Pull up the.
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PFT Commenter
But that also means that. Yeah. Two of the teams in the top four got beaten by those teams that were like maybe they get in, maybe they wouldn't.
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Big Cat
I also think it's just so funny because I understand there's. This is the College Football Playoff ranking. Yeah. So the actual college football rankings. And again, I don't know how they would have done it with like, I think they took a little bit off of the, the, the championship games this year because of a 12 team and you knew everyone was going to get in. But if you had done a 14 playoff and used the rankings that they used, it would have been Oregon, Georgia, Texas and Penn State. So Notre Dame and Ohio State would have been outside. That's your championship game. I don't know why. I understand people love the college football regular season and they like every game mattering and they like, like a Michigan ending Ohio State season. What other sport like Ohio State got hot at the right time? That's what happens in sports.
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PFT Commenter
I would never understand somebody who's a fan of a sport being upset that the sport uses a tournament at the end of the season to pick who.
- [136:03]
Big Cat
The winner is to, to play more games to find the best team.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm okay with that on the record.
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Big Cat
Yeah. So I, yeah, I mean it, it was, I, I liked starting with the Arizona State, Texas game.
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Max
Game.
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Big Cat
I know the Rose bowl was a blowout, but it was a fun game to watch because it was like such an incredible game that Ohio State played. I feel like we've had four really good playoff games.
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PFT Commenter
We have. And.
- [136:26]
Big Cat
Oh yeah. And Notre Dame, Georgia was good.
- [136:27]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. And in the championship, Ohio State, they seem, they seem like they're the better team. Right. Would you agree? Yes, they seem to be the better team.
- [136:35]
Big Cat
They are the better team.
- [136:36]
PFT Commenter
Ohio State should beat Notre Dame unless Ryan Day does the weird Ryan Day thing that he did against Michigan. And if they're is a, a coach who's capable of bringing that out of Ryan Day, I think it might be Lou Holtz to get him back into that mindset that he had where it's like we have to just outman him because he has something to prove.
- [136:56]
Big Cat
Right.
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PFT Commenter
He's got a fixation with Lou Holtz.
- [136:59]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [136:59]
PFT Commenter
That he needs to figure out how to set aside going into this game.
- [137:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [137:03]
PFT Commenter
And also Marcus Room is a great coach too.
- [137:05]
Big Cat
I, I think Notre Dame, they have to play like not a perfect game, but they can't make mistakes because Ohio State is just, and I, I'm not saying this as like don't play the game. Ohio State has more talent. Like they have the most talented roster in college football. I don't think even Notre Dame fans would disagree with that. Notre Dame though, they're just a tough ass team. They. What's it, what's their offensive line say? 4/4 of you football. Yeah.
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PFT Commenter
I love that.
- [137:32]
Big Cat
Like they have a mentality and they don't, they don't kill themselves that if they keep the, this game close and you know, Ohio State, you know, has a little pucker of their, they could absolutely win this game.
- [137:43]
PFT Commenter
And I mean Texas got a little bit of push at times on that defensive line. Notre Dame's got a great offensive line.
- [137:48]
Big Cat
Texas was, I know it's the 28:14 was the final score. Texas was. They scored that touchdown. We're going into overtime probably. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that was a, that was as close as a 2814 game could be. Very excited, though. We're gonna have Booger up on Wednesday's show to break down NFL playoffs and the national championship, so maybe he'll give us a pick. Should we do who's Back of the Week?
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PFT Commenter
Let's do it.
- [138:10]
Big Cat
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Hank
My who's back of the Week are the New England Patriots.
- [138:57]
Big Cat
Ah.
- [138:57]
PFT Commenter
You took mine.
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Hank
Yeah. So it's been a long, long few years. I've, I've learned what it's like to be, you know, loser franchise and not be excited on Sundays and kind of like expect losing. And, and I learned a lot about the draft.
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Big Cat
You learned a lot about the draft.
- [139:15]
Hank
I wasn't, I wasn't used to that because we were winning and stuff.
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PFT Commenter
And what's the, what's the most important thing you learned about the draft?
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Hank
That, you know, you, you can't take the three best players. Like, players get drafted, then you have to reassess. That was the big lesson I learned.
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Big Cat
I think, I think the big lesson you learned last year was that when you trade your pick, you have to actually give it up.
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Hank
Yeah.
- [139:35]
Big Cat
Because that was the whole.
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PFT Commenter
Yeah.
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Big Cat
When you're like, oh, we'll, we'll get the number one pick, but we're not going to give up the three pick.
- [139:41]
Hank
Yeah. And I know a lot of fans of the show, they Always get mad like, oh, you just win, you win, you win, you win, you win. And it's so annoying. And it's, it's like now, you know, I've, I've, I've been in the basement. I've, I've dealt with what, what a lot of people that listen to the show and you guys have dealt with for a long time. But they signed Mike Vrabel and they're back.
- [139:56]
PFT Commenter
They're.
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Hank
They're, they're on. They're on the path. The path of glory is back.
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Big Cat
Question.
- [140:00]
Hank
Yeah.
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Big Cat
By the way, congrats to our good friend Mike Vrabel. Do you have anything to say to Memes, who has gone on a Memes path rampage against Mike Vrabel? No.
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Hank
I mean, I think that's, that's the beauty of football and sports is like Memes, you know, can do his little trolling online and say these things on X.com on the everything app. But, like, we'll see you on the field next year and we'll see you on the field for the next 20 years.
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Big Cat
Okay?
- [140:29]
Hank
And we'll let the talking, we'll let the talking play itself out there.
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PFT Commenter
What about this take? And I'm going to say this from an anonymous person online line. Mike Vrabel is proof that one smart clock management moment in a nationally televised game buys you five to 10 years of NFL media thinking you're a great coach.
- [140:47]
Big Cat
Memes. Meme. That.
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PFT Commenter
That was Memes.
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Big Cat
Memes.
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PFT Commenter
Also in this.
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Hank
People hurt people.
- [140:52]
PFT Commenter
Also in this, in this post, Memes refers. I think he's referring to me as being NFL media memes.
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Big Cat
You're part of the NFL media that highlights his stuff and gaslights it. Okay, so Memes, you're not mad? No, it's. Whatever, man. This.
- [141:12]
PFT Commenter
So we were in this together.
- [141:14]
Hank
Like, we, we, we suffered through this season together. And it's like if you, if you, you know, made out of the trenches, I'd be happy for you. I would expect, I would hope that you'd be happy for me.
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Big Cat
No.
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PFT Commenter
Damn.
- [141:23]
Max
I don't want you out of the trenches. I want you in the trenches, and.
- [141:26]
Big Cat
I want Mike Vrabel to suck. If my, if you're listening this Mike Vrabel, I want you to suck Duck.
- [141:31]
PFT Commenter
Memes is equally not mad about this as Max was about to play. Call.
- [141:35]
Big Cat
Yeah. If you're listening to this, Rex Ryan, you're not going to get the job.
- [141:38]
Max
You're not getting the job.
- [141:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. So Memes, you're, you're, you're not bothered you just started memesing. I'm extremely bothered. Derrick Henry can't walk through that door, though. Derek.
- [141:50]
PFT Commenter
What?
- [141:50]
Big Cat
Derek Prime.
- [141:51]
Max
Derk Henry is not walking.
- [141:52]
Big Cat
He's saying Mike V is a Derk Henry Merchant and a Ryan Tanahill Merchant. Oh, yeah. Died.
- [141:59]
PFT Commenter
He's a system coach.
- [142:01]
Hank
But no, it's. It's been great. You know, Will and Taylor bustle with the boys guys, they obviously played for him. They. They had a lot of glowing, glowing things to say about him. What? You know, people can expect. Players are going to get, you know, called out, expected to, you know, play at a high standard. And Vrabel expects everyone to. To meet those standards. And he's going to write this ship and get us back where we need to be.
- [142:22]
PFT Commenter
He's going to expect you to meet a certain standard, too.
- [142:24]
Big Cat
That's fine.
- [142:24]
Hank
That's great. I mean, as Missoula is the same way. Like, that's. That's championship mentality. That's. That's what he should be. Whatever he needs, whatever coach, whatever you need, I'm here for you.
- [142:33]
Big Cat
Okay. Congrats than.
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PFT Commenter
I'm excited for you, Hank.
- [142:37]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [142:38]
PFT Commenter
Great hire.
- [142:39]
Big Cat
Who's your who's back?
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PFT Commenter
My who's back of the week is the Philadelphia 76ers.
- [142:43]
Big Cat
Oh.
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PFT Commenter
Cuz they were. They were threatening to leave town.
- [142:46]
Big Cat
Oh.
- [142:47]
PFT Commenter
They were going to abandon Philly. After all they've done for Philly. And the city of Philadelphia just came to an agreement. Agreement to keep him around for a while. So congrats. Max.
- [142:57]
Max
They really suck.
- [142:59]
Big Cat
Oh, no.
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PFT Commenter
Do you want them gone?
- [143:01]
Max
No, no, they're. They're staying in South Philly. They were. They weren't going to Jersey. They were going to go to Center City Philadelphia. But now it's good because we're keeping all the stadiums right next to each other.
- [143:12]
Big Cat
Yeah. You got. That's a cool. I love that about any city that does that. Where the stadiums are right across street.
- [143:18]
PFT Commenter
The sports team.
- [143:19]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
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Max
No, just makes for a great tailgate scene. There's the big Xfinity Xfinity live mega bar in the middle of it. It. It's fun, but just. I hear the word Sixers and they're so bad. Like, they may not even make the.
- [143:36]
PFT Commenter
Playing game bad, but they had 10 wins by Christmas. Yeah.
- [143:39]
Max
No, that did not spark anything. And Joel Embiid just never plays 10.
- [143:44]
Hank
Damn.
- [143:45]
Max
They lost to the Magic today.
- [143:46]
Hank
Made that whole video on Christmas.
- [143:48]
Max
That was fun. I. I'll always have that.
- [143:50]
Big Cat
You will always have that. That was huge.
- [143:53]
Max
Yeah. I mean, they lost Three out of their past four. I mean, the Magic are winning team.
- [143:58]
PFT Commenter
With the Pelicans stink the sun, but aren't you happy? Like, that's a major win. They're not leaving. They're not leaving town. Good.
- [144:04]
Max
That's good. I want. I. At this point, I. I want them to get a top six pick so we get our. So we have our pick next year.
- [144:11]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [144:12]
PFT Commenter
Cooper flag either. Who's back of the week is LeBron. Oh, he's back in the news. Have you heard about LeBron?
- [144:18]
Big Cat
I've seen it. I still don't understand it.
- [144:22]
PFT Commenter
All right, so LeBron was dancing to a Kendrick Lamar song like a month ago. And then Drake put out a song called Fighting Irish. And Drake has a tattoo of LeBron on his arm. This is normal stuff. Has a tattoo of LeBron on his arm from when LeBron was a husband schooler.
- [144:39]
Big Cat
Oh.
- [144:40]
PFT Commenter
When he was playing on a team that's called the Irish.
- [144:42]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [144:43]
PFT Commenter
And in that, he seems to throw some shots at LeBron being like, I know things about you. You shouldn't have been dancing to that song that called me a pedophile.
- [144:52]
Big Cat
Okay.
- [144:53]
PFT Commenter
Now, DJ academics went live and said that he is familiar with the accusations and that Drake does have some info about LeBron that he could put out. And now LeBron is probably very, very afraid. You get credit to LeBron. He's done a great of being, like, the most famous person in the world for the last 20 years. He's done a great job of not having any major, huge scandals about him that have gotten brought to light until recently. Until very recently. So I don't. I don't know what's going to happen if Drake. Do you think Drake has, like, is he just lashing out because he got beat so bad? Has he. Has he handled getting defeated on a public stage worse than anyone else? House after, like, threatening to sue his own record label?
- [145:36]
Big Cat
Yeah, I. I will say if. If they were like, best friends, which. If he's got a tattoo of them, that would suck a little bit.
- [145:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [145:48]
Big Cat
But I don't know if they're best friends.
- [145:49]
PFT Commenter
I would agree that LeBron, if he was friends with Drake, should not have done that.
- [145:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know their relationship.
- [145:59]
PFT Commenter
Hank, what are your thoughts?
- [146:02]
Hank
I think both. I mean, I think it's like star athletes. It's like, I think anyone that holds them to a higher standard is crazy because there's been a million examples of, like, athletes being somewhat scumbags and not the most loyal guy so it's not, like, shocking. I'll never be shocked when I. When you hear stuff like that. It's like. Yeah, no, that's, you know, every. A lot of athletes are like that there. It's like Drake did. You know, it's ugly. It's like LeBron was dancing, and now Drake's outing him. And it's like, you know, everyone. Everyone. Everyone's gonna hurt people. Hurt people, hurt people, hurt people.
- [146:32]
PFT Commenter
And you're a Drake guy.
- [146:33]
Hank
I'm not a drake guy or LeBron guy, so I don't really give a. They can take. They can both take each other down.
- [146:39]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [146:39]
Hank
For all I care.
- [146:40]
Big Cat
This is one of those things that I was aware that was happening, but I. I didn't really. There's football, and so I didn't really dig deep into it, but I'm sure. I'm sure there's more that I'm gonna learn.
- [146:52]
PFT Commenter
I. To me, it seems like Drake is just trying to get it.
- [146:55]
Hank
LeBron also took that leave of absence, like, a month ago. That was my, like. Well, that kind of makes that. Make a little.
- [147:01]
Big Cat
That lines up.
- [147:01]
Hank
Yeah.
- [147:02]
PFT Commenter
He was up in Canada banging whores, academics.
- [147:05]
Hank
I mean, architects just said everything.
- [147:08]
PFT Commenter
Oh, yeah.
- [147:08]
Big Cat
So it's all been said.
- [147:09]
Hank
Yeah. But it's obviously not from, you know, the official source, but.
- [147:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [147:12]
PFT Commenter
I also think that Drake is just desperate to get a win anywhere.
- [147:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [147:16]
PFT Commenter
Anywhere he can find one.
- [147:17]
Hank
I don't think it's a win, though. It's just like. Yeah. Like, I'm.
- [147:19]
PFT Commenter
I'm.
- [147:20]
Hank
I'm a scumbag. I'm friends with a scumbag. Is that a win?
- [147:24]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, he's just. He's pressing the button, blowing everybody up.
- [147:27]
Hank
Yeah.
- [147:28]
PFT Commenter
Everyone's coming down with me.
- [147:29]
Big Cat
Yeah. The Dan Snyder.
- [147:30]
PFT Commenter
Good guy.
- [147:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right. My. Who's back of the week is overreacting to one thing and then. And then trying to make changes because there's a report that the NFL might change. The NFL? The playoff format, where division winners get an automatic entry into the playoffs, but not necessarily home field in the first round.
- [147:52]
PFT Commenter
I think divisions should mean something.
- [147:54]
Big Cat
I agree.
- [147:55]
PFT Commenter
I think this would suck. There's divisions for a reason.
- [147:58]
Big Cat
It's also like, yeah, this year was weird, and it's crazy that the Vikings and the Lions were as good as they were. That week's 18 game was awesome. It wouldn't have. I don't. I mean, I guess it would have meant something in terms of a buy, but they both would have gotten a home playoff game. I. I Divisions in NFL is what makes the NFL great.
- [148:18]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [148:19]
Big Cat
Like your division rivals and winning your division should mean a lot.
- [148:22]
PFT Commenter
It also leads to regional styles of football.
- [148:25]
Big Cat
Correct.
- [148:25]
PFT Commenter
Amongst the divisions. Which is cool.
- [148:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [148:27]
PFT Commenter
Like have an identity for your division.
- [148:29]
Big Cat
Like, the NBA has divisions. They don't even fucking care.
- [148:31]
PFT Commenter
No.
- [148:32]
Big Cat
At all. It doesn't matter whatsoever. So it's like, I don't know. That's the unique. Like, don't overreact to one year. And guess what? Like, it sucks because the Vikings had a really good year. Win your division.
- [148:44]
PFT Commenter
They were probably looking at the Lions, at the criticisms of the College Football Playoff, and they're like, yeah, we need to do that too.
- [148:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [148:49]
PFT Commenter
No, you don't.
- [148:50]
Big Cat
Yeah. No, you don't.
- [148:51]
PFT Commenter
I mean, yeah, sometimes you're gonna have a good wild card team and you're gonna have a below average division winner.
- [148:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [148:57]
PFT Commenter
But that's okay.
- [148:58]
Big Cat
If they're demanding to do this, I could meet them like a quarter way there and say, you have to win nine games to get a home playoff game. But I'm not gonna go farther.
- [149:08]
PFT Commenter
But I like that. Above 500.
- [149:10]
Big Cat
But then also people. Then bring up the beast. Quake.
- [149:12]
PFT Commenter
Beast. Quake. Yeah.
- [149:13]
Big Cat
Seven and nine Seahawks team. That was pretty awesome.
- [149:17]
PFT Commenter
Like, I'm okay with it because if you. If you go on the road and you lose to a 7 and 9 team in the playoffs, you should have beaten that team.
- [149:23]
Big Cat
Right. And it also win your division.
- [149:25]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [149:25]
Big Cat
Like, that's. That's the. That's the best part of NFL football is, like, you play your division six times, you hate those teams. They're your rivals. Those games should mean more than all the other games.
- [149:36]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [149:37]
Big Cat
So you. Yeah. Don't do that. NFL. I don't think they will.
- [149:40]
PFT Commenter
I don't think they will either.
- [149:41]
Big Cat
Roger Goodell is kind of the anti Adam Silver. I don't feel like he listens to us.
- [149:46]
PFT Commenter
No, I think. I think we're good. I mean, unless something really weird happened. If there was an instance where a really shitty division winner, what's the worst possible record you could have?
- [149:54]
Big Cat
I think someone. I was reading a thread on it last night. I think someone technically could win A Division. 4 and 13.
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Hank
Yeah. Look at the AFC South.
- [150:01]
Big Cat
It's probably. I mean, they just want a playoff game.
- [150:04]
Hank
No, I'm saying, like, in the past, though, there's been some bad AFC south themes in the playoffs.
- [150:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. I think 4 and 13.
- [150:10]
PFT Commenter
Technically, you're Mike Frable. Blake Bortles. Which team are you talking about?
- [150:15]
Big Cat
Oh, no, I'll look it up.
- [150:17]
Hank
I mean, I'm not.
- [150:17]
Big Cat
I'm not.
- [150:20]
Hank
It might be portals.
- [150:22]
Big Cat
No, I mean seven and nine is the NFL. The Panthers, I think Ron Rivera, they won seven and nine. The Panthers won a division once.
- [150:29]
PFT Commenter
Oh, Ron. Ron Rivera did it twice. He did it in DC too.
- [150:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [150:32]
Max
H also shout out NFC beast. Any only division that has has two teams still available.
- [150:39]
PFT Commenter
There we go.
- [150:40]
Big Cat
That's just not true.
- [150:42]
Max
What? Oh, yeah.
- [150:44]
Big Cat
Not true.
- [150:45]
Max
Two teams that have already advanced.
- [150:47]
PFT Commenter
Yep. Good point, Max.
- [150:49]
Max
Switch it up on it.
- [150:50]
PFT Commenter
Yep.
- [150:54]
Big Cat
It is kind of cool in the AFC that every division's got it. It's just the division champs left.
- [150:59]
PFT Commenter
I also like having Max as my buddy and my friend right now. So I appreciate, appreciate it.
- [151:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [151:03]
PFT Commenter
I can tell you really mean all this stuff from your heart.
- [151:05]
Big Cat
You definitely mean it. I'm thinking what if the Vikings are in the NFC north or not? Yeah.
- [151:12]
Max
If the Rams win tomorrow, then that's true.
- [151:14]
Big Cat
Yeah, that would be true.
- [151:16]
Max
So, yes, as of right now, I was correct.
- [151:18]
Big Cat
Yeah.
- [151:19]
Hank
2017 Titans, that led to Mike Malarkey's firing.
- [151:23]
Big Cat
What did they win the division at?
- [151:26]
Hank
9 and 7.
- [151:27]
Big Cat
Oh, so that's not even needed overtime.
- [151:30]
Hank
To beat 0 and 16.
- [151:30]
PFT Commenter
It would be.
- [151:31]
Big Cat
That's not even the seven to nines we've been saying.
- [151:33]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
- [151:33]
Hank
Be the 2016 Houston Texan. So, yeah, I wasn't just making up.
- [151:38]
Big Cat
What was their record?
- [151:41]
Hank
They were nine and seven.
- [151:45]
Big Cat
So not above.500.
- [151:46]
PFT Commenter
Still so far we have two Ron Rivera teams and then.
- [151:49]
Big Cat
And the Pete Carroll team. Yeah.
- [151:51]
Hank
And the number one on this list is the 2020 Washington Commanders or Washington Whatever.
- [151:56]
PFT Commenter
That was a big time NFC beast move by Doug Peterson. That game get us into the playoffs. Put Nate Sudfeld.
- [152:01]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right. Good show, boys. Great show. It's great talking some playoff football. Congrats. Pft.
- [152:09]
PFT Commenter
Thank you.
- [152:09]
Big Cat
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Max
5, 38, 11.
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Big Cat
Pug, 94. Pug. Oh, I'm gonna take 89 from the chat. Wow. Pug disrespect in the chat.
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PFT Commenter
26.
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Big Cat
Wait, what'd you take, Jack?
- [153:22]
PFT Commenter
I took 89. Yeah, I took 94.
- [153:25]
Big Cat
94, 99. I mean, memes. Would it really count if you won with Pug's number?
- [153:30]
PFT Commenter
Yes.
- [153:32]
Big Cat
What do you mean? Oh, that's interesting. So it's.
- [153:37]
Max
He didn't claim that.
- [153:38]
Big Cat
No, but it. But Pf your whole argument. Pft one with your.
- [153:43]
PFT Commenter
I guessed it.
- [153:44]
Big Cat
I don't see the difference. Got you there. Hank. Are you gonna participate?
- [153:49]
Hank
I said 38. I'll say it again.
- [153:50]
PFT Commenter
Okay.
- [153:56]
Big Cat
46.
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PFT Commenter
Love you guys. Sa. Sa.