Thanksgiving Special With Fred Smoot In Studio, CFB, Week 13 Picks And Preview, Kirk Cousins And PFT/Hank Rivalry Continues - Pardon My Take

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Pardon My Take: Thanksgiving Special with Fred Smoot In Studio, CFB, Week 13 Picks and Preview, Kirk Cousins and PFT/Hank Rivalry Continues

Hosts: Big Cat & PFT Commenter
Guest: Fred Smoot
Release Date: November 27, 2024
Platform: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music (ad-free for Prime Members)

1. Introduction and Episode Overview

The episode kicks off with the hosts, Big Cat and PFT Commenter, setting the stage for an extended Thanksgiving special. They outline the key topics, including an in-depth discussion on college football, Week 13 NFL picks, a preview of Thanksgiving games, and a continued rivalry between PFT and Hank. Notably, Fred Smoot joins the show, adding expert insights to the conversation.

Big Cat introduces the episode:

"On today's part of my take, we have an extra long Thanksgiving special for the people. We have Fred Smoot in studio. We have Kirk Cousins. We're going to talk college football..." [00:25]

2. NFL Game Analysis and Strategic Insights

Ravens vs. Chargers: The discussion begins with a breakdown of the Ravens' dominant performance against the Chargers. Hank praises the Ravens' second-half dominance and criticizes Chargers' quarterback Quentin Johnson for dropping crucial passes.

"If it hadn't worked out, I would absolutely kill John Harbaugh... But it worked out. So he's a genius." — Hank [03:43]

Importance of Elite Running Backs: Big Cat and Hank delve into the significance of top-tier running backs like Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley, emphasizing their impact on successful NFL teams. They argue that an elite running back can elevate a team's performance, especially when surrounded by a strong supporting cast.

"Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are complete game changers in today's NFL." — Big Cat [05:26]

3. College Football and Heisman Trophy Race

Week 13 College Football Picks: The hosts enthusiastically discuss their support for the 12-team playoff system, believing it adds excitement and maintains the significance of every regular-season game. They highlight standout performances and potential playoff implications.

"The 12 team playoff is going to be great... Anyone who says the regular season won't matter is not seeing the big picture." — Hank [16:06]

Heisman Trophy Race: A dedicated segment is devoted to the Heisman Trophy race, focusing on standout running backs like Ashton Genti and Travis Hunter. The hosts compare current candidates to historic Heisman winners, debating their statistical achievements and potential to secure the prestigious award.

"Ashton Genti is doing stuff that hasn't been done for like 30 years or so." — Big Cat [26:04]
"I think I'd vote Travis Hunter. He's one of the best running back seasons of all time in the last five years." — Hank [33:38]

4. Thanksgiving Game Previews and Betting Picks

Week 13 NFL Picks: The hosts share their betting picks for Thanksgiving games, analyzing team performances, player conditions, and strategic matchups. They cover games like Bears at Lions, Giants vs. Cowboys, Packers vs. Dolphins, and more, providing detailed reasoning for each pick.

"I think the Ravens are pretty good team now." — Big Cat [04:46]
"I really think the Colts are going under." — Hank [36:05]

Picks Summary:

Bears at Lions: Lions minus 10, over under 40.5 — Big Cat
Giants vs. Cowboys: Cowboys -4, over under 37.5 — Hank
Packers vs. Dolphins: Dolphins under 47 — Memes
Ravens vs. Eagles: Eagles over 51 — Fred Smoot
Chiefs vs. Raiders: Chiefs minus 12.5 — Max
Vikings vs. Cardinals: Vikings minus 3.5 — Hank

"I was like, the only chance to have a God-damn picks works like we busted it." — Hank [61:16]

5. Interview with Fred Smoot

Junior College Pathway and NFL Journey: Fred Smoot shares his journey from junior college to a Division I powerhouse at Mississippi State. He discusses the challenges of transferring, building relationships with coaches, and the mental resilience required to excel in the NFL.

"Playing junior college gave me a chance to do what others couldn't... I'm ready to lead and get better." — Fred Smoot [84:56]

Overcoming Adversity: Smoot reflects on the importance of mentorship and staying focused despite setbacks, including injuries and team changes. He emphasizes the value of perseverance and adapting to new environments.

"One thing led to the next... it's just about staying on the same page and meshing our backgrounds." — Fred Smoot [175:26]

6. Continued Rivalry and Humor

PFT Commenter vs. Hank: The episode features a lighthearted yet heated rivalry between PFT Commenter and Hank, with playful insults and banter about betting picks and podcast antics. Memes joins in, adding to the comedic tension.

"He always is." — Hank [38:45]
"I'm just talking piece of shit. I thought I was trying to speed up from the hate." — Memes [34:49]

Kirk Cousins Highlights: Kirk Cousins joins the show to discuss his recent team switch, challenges of adjusting to a new system, and maintaining mental toughness amid a demanding NFL season. He shares personal anecdotes about his career, relationships with coaches, and strategies for staying centered.

"One thing is, I gotta get familiar again... It's a roller coaster, but I just take it one game at a time." — Kirk Cousins [180:03]

7. Closing Remarks and Final Picks

As the episode winds down, the hosts recap their Thanksgiving picks, engage in final humorous exchanges, and express their gratitude to guests and listeners. They reinforce their commitment to providing insightful and entertaining sports commentary.

"This has been a great long show for the people at home Thanksgiving week." — Big Cat [204:43]

Notable Quotes

Hank on Ravens' Strategy:

"If it hadn't worked out, I would absolutely kill John Harbaugh... But it worked out. So he's a genius." [03:43]
Big Cat on Running Backs' Impact:

"Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are complete game changers in today's NFL." [05:26]
Fred Smoot on Team Transfers:

"But it's a different dynamic to the essence of them both." [184:34]
Kirk Cousins on Mental Resilience:

"It's about staying on the same page and meshing our backgrounds." [175:26]

Conclusion

This Thanksgiving Special of "Pardon My Take" offers a comprehensive blend of NFL analysis, college football insights, engaging interviews, and the signature humor that fans love. With expert guests like Fred Smoot and Kirk Cousins, the episode provides valuable perspectives on current sports topics while maintaining the lively and entertaining atmosphere that defines the podcast.

Whether you're a seasoned sports enthusiast or a casual listener, this episode delivers in-depth discussions, memorable banter, and a hearty dose of sports passion, making it a must-listen for the holiday season.

For more episodes and content, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take.

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[00:00]
Big Cat
Hey, pardon my take, listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon music.
[00:11]
PFT Commenter
What's the five dollar meal deal at McDonald's? You pick a McDouble, or a McChicken.
[00:16]
Big Cat
Then get a small fry, a small.
[00:17]
PFT Commenter
Drink and a four piece McNuggets. That's a lot of McDonald's for not.
[00:22]
Big Cat
A lot of money.
[00:23]
Max
Price and participation may vary.
[00:24]
PFT Commenter
For a limited time only.
[00:25]
Big Cat
On today's part of my take, we have an extra long Thanksgiving special for the people. We have Fred Smoot in studio. We have Kirk Cousins. We're going to talk college football. We're going to talk Monday Night Football. We're going to do a weekend preview. We're going to do a Thanksgiving preview. We will tell everyone exactly in the spot that they can stop the show if they unfortunately have to work on Friday as is tradition.
[00:51]
Hank
We say it's like when you go out of town and you leave food for your cat.
[00:54]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[00:54]
Hank
And then you know you have it on a timer. We're going to put you guys on timer. So you get your Wednesday episode, then you get your Friday episode.
[01:00]
Big Cat
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[02:19]
Big Cat
Okay, let's go.
[02:28]
PFT Commenter
Hey, football guy.
[02:36]
Hank
Yeah, Barn and my take.
[02:40]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, Barn.
[02:41]
Big Cat
And my take. Yeah. Part and my take. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. Grab some TDs with DraftKings sportsbook. They're on sale from Thanksgiving through Cyber Monday. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use code take to popped in. That's code take only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, November 27th, and John Harbaugh unfortunately owns Jim Harbaugh 30 Jim Harbaugh saying before the game, I laid down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game. I enjoyed the Harbaugh Bowl. The Ravens are very, very good Chargers. They, Quentin Johnson decided to start dropping balls again at the worst possible time. But that was a Ravens like the Ravens dominated that second half and they are who we thought they are. They were a Super bowl contender.
[03:37]
Hank
I think the Ravens dominated the second half and also the last two minutes of the first half.
[03:41]
Big Cat
Yes. Going forward.
[03:42]
Hank
Going forward on fourth down.
[03:43]
Big Cat
That was crazy.
[03:44]
Hank
That was a great call. And you know what? I'm going to say it. If it hadn't worked out, I would absolutely kill John Harbaugh.
[03:51]
Big Cat
Duh.
[03:52]
Hank
But it worked out. So he's a genius.
[03:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[03:54]
Hank
But if it didn't work, fire him.
[03:55]
Big Cat
I, I feel like that call on what were they on their own 20, 19, 20? Yeah. I feel like that call was the hardball bowl getting the best of him where he's like, I normally I wouldn't do this, but against my brother, I got to.
[04:11]
Hank
You got to.
[04:12]
Big Cat
You got to do this.
[04:13]
Hank
This was their super bowl for sure. Their mom and dad were watching. It was their anniversary. They're watching with Tom Crean.
[04:18]
Big Cat
Yep.
[04:18]
Hank
That should have been the man in cast last night.
[04:20]
PFT Commenter
Absolutely.
[04:21]
Hank
It should have been Jack and Joanie and then Tom Crean.
[04:24]
Big Cat
I, I, I walked away from that game not really changing my opinions on either team. Like, Ravens are really good. The Chargers, they have to, I think the Chargers are are good and they have to play perfect to beat a Ravens like team. I do wonder little, little thought I had when I was watching the game. Is there a chance Hank bet the Chargers to miss the playoffs?
[04:45]
Hank
Well, Hank cashed out of his Chargers super bowl bet.
[04:47]
Big Cat
Right.
[04:47]
Hank
But pretty much the same thing.
[04:48]
Big Cat
Do you think he. I didn't. You did not.
[04:50]
PFT Commenter
I didn't.
[04:51]
Memes
Are you sure, I'm positive.
[04:52]
Big Cat
100%.
[04:53]
Memes
I've again, DraftKings sportsbook, they have a great feature, the barstool betting group. All my bets go in there. So it's trackable. There's. There's proof. There's a, you know, documented history. Yeah, no Chargers to make the playoffs has been placed.
[05:09]
Hank
A fully documented history of your troll bets.
[05:12]
Memes
Not troll bets, just smart, good plays. If you want to win some money, follow me on drafting.
[05:16]
Hank
How's the hungry dog doing this year?
[05:18]
Memes
It's up to units, which is positive.
[05:19]
Big Cat
Yeah, right.
[05:21]
Memes
Like you want to be positive when you gamble.
[05:23]
Big Cat
Do you want to be positive about things?
[05:25]
Memes
So, yeah, plus two units is good.
[05:26]
Big Cat
You don't have a positive mindset. Derrick Henry continues to be a beast, is the return of the running backs and the fact that Derek Henry and Saquon Barkley are complete game changers in today's NFL.
[05:37]
Hank
And I do think that some of the reason why they got Derrick Henry was just because he's so fucking big that they will. They will not forget to put him in the game late on. They'll, like, keep him going. You know, he's a giant looming presence on the sidelines. So if John Harbaugh is starting, starting to think, like, let's get cute with it like we did in the playoffs last year. Derek Henry, he's so big that you. You're like, oh, shit, yeah, we have that guy. Let's keep running him. And he just. He wears you down. He tenderizes you over the course of a game.
[06:04]
Big Cat
And it also just further proves what we already know.
[06:06]
Hank
But I would tackle him by his chain. Yeah, well, why don't more people do that? Just reach in, grab the chain. A kib Tlaib. He would have fucking ripped his throat out.
[06:14]
Big Cat
They. The. When he gets outside and it's just one on one. It's. It's. They're. Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are the same, but they do it in a different way. Saquon Barkley, when he gets out in space one on one, you know he's going to make a guy miss. There's just nothing the guy can do. Derek Henry, when he gets out in space one on one, the guy just can't tackle him. Especially if we're like, the NFL has gotten a little. The. The edge rushers have gotten a little lighter. Like the teams are playing, you know, too high safety in the. In defensive linebackers are a little bit there. It's not Ray Lewis anymore where it's like, you know, these guys in the upper £200. It's just Derrick Henry can just bowl over people and it, we're stupid, we have dumb opinions, but it just needs to be reminded. That situation is so, so important in all the sports, but especially NFL, because if Derrick Henry was still on the Titans and Saquon Barkley was still on the Giants, they'd be having okay years on bad teams and we wouldn't be talking about them. But when you put them on good teams with a ton of talent around them, that's hard to defend. You get the best of both. Where it's like, yeah, running backs still do matter, especially when you have an elite one and they're the cherry on, on the top of a really good football team.
[07:23]
Hank
Yeah, maybe the Giants were right to not pay Saquon Barkley.
[07:27]
Big Cat
They were. I, I, they were wrong to pay Daniel Jones. But I do think they, I know.
[07:31]
Hank
What you're saying, and it's that like a good running back on a good team is worth the investment. A good running back on a, It'll just kind of make you like a little bit less bad.
[07:39]
Big Cat
Like if the new, if the New York Giants had Saquon Barkley this year. And this is where I feel bad for Giants fans because it's basically a constant, the clip of Mara and Joe Shane like, you know, talking in the off season, that's just being hammered in their head and memes does the, he's trying to deflect from the jets where he just keeps posting like rushing yards for the Giants. Rushing yards for Saquon Barkley, touchdowns. For Saquon Barkley, touchdowns. The Giants, all those insult stats. If Saquon Barkley was on the Giants this year, would the Giants have maybe one more win?
[08:12]
Hank
Yeah, at least, like, they would still.
[08:14]
Big Cat
Be a bad football team because they don't have everything else. They don't have a quarterback. So I, yeah, I think the running back position is like, if you already have the foundation in a good team and then you add an elite running back, then it's, yeah, that's, that's where running back becomes very important and takes you to super bowl level.
[08:31]
Hank
It's definitely worth it. And there's, there are a few games where you can look back on and be like, one play really, really did kind of change the outcome of this game. And this one would be Quentin Johnson dropping that wide open pass and then.
[08:42]
Big Cat
Probably still would have lost. But that was, that was a 30 yard game.
[08:46]
Hank
It was a 30 yard gain at least. And it was huge in terms of what Happened right afterwards. They give the ball away, they punt away, and then the. The Ravens go score touchdown. It feels at that point like it's out of reach. Now, in that instance, if he catches that, I still. The Chargers have a pretty good chance to win that game or at least come back and make it very, very close down the stretch. Now, I have a question for you about the way Justin Herbert handled that.
[09:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[09:11]
Hank
So he drops that. That's kind of been the knock against Quinn. He's had some bad times in the NFL. He's looked pretty good this year.
[09:17]
Big Cat
His hands don't always work.
[09:18]
Hank
They don't always work. It's okay. It happens. So when. When he drops that pass, Justin Herbert goes back and immediately throws two more passes to him in the fourth quarter, and he drops both of those as well. Do you think that that was the right thing for Justin Herbert to do? To be like, I trust my guy. I'm going to try to build back his confidence? Or do you think it was very mean of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball to him? Or was it dumb of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball?
[09:42]
Big Cat
Is there an option C that the Chargers don't have elite wide receiver talent and you got to kind of just do what you get? Like, Joshua Palmer was getting these deep targets, like. Yeah. It reminds you that the Chargers are.
[09:55]
Hank
Built the whole team out of lad.
[09:57]
Big Cat
Yeah. Glad McConkey is awesome. But the Chargers are, I feel like an elite wide receiver next year away from being a real, real threat. Yeah. Because it is like, when you throw it to Quentin Johnson in crunch time, he's had a nice season. He's kind of recaptured a little of what we thought he was going to be when he was drafted out of tcu. But it is a reminder that, oh, man, if they had a T. Higgins or, you know, one of these guys, you know, a DJ Moore or, I don't even know. Like, you can list a bunch of guys where it's like, even a Jordan Addison, if they had someone.
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Hank
What if they had Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison, Big Cat.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank
Hypothetically, two receivers that were drafted right after Quentin Johnson.
[10:37]
Big Cat
Yeah, that would be nice.
[10:39]
Hank
Yeah. I think it's kind of funny that we're talking about the Chargers and we're like, they're. They're a good receiver away from being a really good team. Which goes to show you how much Harbaugh has completely flipped what the charges were on its head.
[10:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[10:50]
Hank
Like, the knock against the charge in the past was always like, kind of a soft team. Couldn't like, run the football. Couldn't stop the run. Their defense is very good.
[10:58]
Big Cat
Yeah. J.K. dobbins getting hurt was obviously big.
[11:01]
Hank
Yeah. That was.
[11:02]
Big Cat
You can't really rely on him to.
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Hank
Be healthy, but he's changed the charges up so much.
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Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank
That they're sometimes winning games that they would have easily lost in the past 10 seasons. And instead we're talking about them like they just need, like, a great wide receiver.
[11:14]
Big Cat
Yeah.
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Hank
This is all they used to have.
[11:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, they used to have.
[11:15]
Fred Smoot
And.
[11:16]
Big Cat
And it's. It's. I mean, this is a rebuilding year for the Chargers and I. They're going to be a playoff team and I still. I still would take, like. The Chargers can beat anyone. They, again, they have to play a perfect game. They can't have the Quinton Johnson drop. I have a fun fact for you about the Ravens and their dominance. You ready for this? The Ravens. The only team to hold the Baltimore Ravens under 20 points this season. Who is it?
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Hank
Let's see. They lost to the Raiders, but I think that was a high scoring game.
[11:42]
Big Cat
Yeah, it was. Recently. Within the last three weeks. Oh, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay. Yeah. So the only team to hold them under 20 points. That's how good the Ravens offense has been. Before that, who's the only other team to hold them under 20 points?
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Hank
The Steelers.
[11:59]
Big Cat
Week 18 of 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Before that, who was the only team to hold them under 20 points?
[12:05]
Hank
Steelers.
[12:06]
Big Cat
The Steelers. Week 5 of 2023, the Ravens. As long as they don't have to play, the Steelers will just dominate anyone on offense.
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Hank
Yeah.
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Big Cat
So the last three times they've been held under 20 points, it's been the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was from Alex Kazor. Kazora. Sorry for butchering your name, but yeah, that's what the Ravens offense is. It's. It's just elite. And I don't even think like Lamar. What? It wasn't like one of those nights he had a couple moments, you're like, holy shit. But it wasn't a true. Lamar has taken over this game. He played good.
[12:36]
Hank
Yeah.
[12:36]
Big Cat
Not incredible. And they still scored 30 points.
[12:39]
Hank
He did have that sick touchdown run where he did the exact same thing he did in his high school highlight.
[12:43]
Big Cat
Yes.
[12:43]
Hank
We just stopped at the corner and let the guy go right by him.
[12:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[12:46]
Hank
Did you see the charges right now? I've got them. What are they? 35 to 1 to win the Super Bowl.
[12:52]
Big Cat
Yeah. Well, you don't have them.
[12:53]
Hank
No, no. I'm looking at the odds right now.
[12:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah, hop back in.
[12:57]
Hank
I think I might hop back in on the Chargers to win the Super bowl at 35 to 1.
[13:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[13:01]
Hank
What do you have, Matt?
[13:02]
Big Cat
I have 40 to 1 and 35 to 1. So hop back in. Be a friendship thing. Not you, Hank. You're not in the friend group. By the way, you mentioned that Lamar touchdown run. So Kevin Clark had an anecdote. He called the high school coach of Lamar Jackson.
[13:17]
Hank
Yeah.
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Big Cat
His name is Don Hannah. And Lamar Jackson did that kind of play against him in high school and Don Hannah said, like he was questioning whether he should be a football coach. After Lamar Jackson did that, he said, there's something I'm not doing to put my kids in position to be successful. The feeling stayed with Hannah for a long time. Jackson had made him question his own coaching. Fast forward two years later and he's watching Florida State and Louisville and he can't believe what he's doing against one of the top teams in college football. I feel a lot better. Fast forward another two years later, he's doing against the NFL and no one can tackle him and he's like, oh, actually I'm fine. I maybe should be an NFL coach.
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Hank
Yeah.
[13:58]
Big Cat
So Lamar Jackson had a guy basically questioning his existence for like a five year span off of how great Lamar Jackson is.
[14:05]
Hank
There's a good lesson in that. Don't blame yourself so quickly for small mistakes that you make.
[14:08]
Big Cat
Yes.
[14:09]
Hank
Because maybe other people make those mistakes much more publicly than you.
[14:13]
Big Cat
Yes. So I like the idea though that.
[14:15]
Hank
The Steelers have built a defense kind of specifically to beat the Ravens. And if you can, if you can beat the Ravens, then it'll make you pretty good against everybody else too.
[14:25]
Big Cat
Right? Right. Yeah. You just need to find a way to play the Ravens. It's basically a Kirby smart Alabama situation. If one team to beat. If the Steelers ever have to play the Ravens in a Super Bowl, I'm taking the Steelers. Yeah.
[14:38]
Hank
I mean, you might not beat every team all the time, but if you can beat the Ravens consistently, then you will do. You'll be hitting probably like 60%, 70% against the rest of the NFL.
[14:47]
Big Cat
Yeah. Okay. Do we have anything else from week 12 before we get in? So. So the plan today is we're going to talk college football. We're going to do the Thanksgiving games with a pick and then we are going to have an interview with Fred Smoot and then we can. Everyone who wants to stop can stop. If you have to work on Friday, you can stop. Then we're going to do all the Sunday games and then we're going to finish with the interview. Great interview with Kirk Cousins.
[15:14]
Hank
Try to close your eyes and figure out who's Kirk Cousins and who's Fred Smoot.
[15:18]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[15:19]
Hank
Bet you can't.
[15:19]
Big Cat
Yeah, it's going to be tough.
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Memes
Where's Hot Sequel thrown in Hot Sequel.
[15:23]
Big Cat
Thrones right before Fred Smoot. So it's basically the regular show and then we add on Friday show at the end with another interview for the people. Let's do a little college football. By the way, it's brought to you by our friends at Game Time. Game Time, the exclusive ticketing partner of Barstool Sports. Football season is here. We can't wait to get out to some games this fall with the help of Game Time, the official ticketing partner, Barstool Sports. You know how much we love Game Time. Now with their brand new Game Time Picks feature, they're making it even easier to get to a game. Game Time Picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seats so you don't have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets. I was looking at tickets. Rivalry Weekend Hank Camp Randall.
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Memes
Battle for the ax.
[16:08]
Big Cat
Yes. Need it.
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Memes
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Big Cat
Okay, so go if you want to go see $28.
[16:16]
Memes
Apologies.
[16:16]
Big Cat
Wisconsin hopefully keep their bull streak of 22 years alive. You can go to Game Time Tickets and just pull up your chosen event, turn on the GT Pick setting at the top of the screen or browse the best local Game Time Pick steel near you on your Game Time app homepage. What are you waiting for? Buy those tickets to see Wisconsin and Minnesota on Friday. Download the Game Time app and use code PMT to easily score great deals. New Game Time Picks. What time is it? Game time. Okay, week 13 in college football was I don't want to take a victory lap, but I'm going to take a victory lap because and I think I speak for all of us here. We were all on the side of the 12 team playoff rules. The 12 team playoff is going to be great. Anyone who says the regular season won't matter is not seeing the big picture. Not the name names of Tom for Nelli. We saw on Saturday a chaotic, chaotic scene all across the country in games that would not have mattered if it weren't for the 12 team playoff. Ole Miss 2 loss Ole Miss team losing to Florida. That game doesn't matter if it's a 14 playoff two loss, Alabama losing to Oklahoma. That game doesn't matter if it's a 14 playoff. We had Texas A and M losing late to Auburn. That game doesn't matter if it's 12 team, if it's a 14 playoff. So having these games means so much and I know, you know, you'd be like, well a two loss team or shouldn't even be in the conversation. Well, they are now because a 12 team playoff, I loved it. I loved every second of it. It basically started the Saturday started where Indiana was the big loser because of how Ohio State treated them. And by the end of the night, the big winners were Indiana and Tennessee because the SEC spent all the early slate watching Indiana lose and being like, told you so we're going to get six teams in and then they piss down their leg and now the SEC is littered with three lost teams that maybe one of them gets in, but may that might even be too.
[18:12]
Hank
Maybe not. Yeah, so. So if you're an Indiana fan, your Saturday went as follows. Never daunted. Game starts first quarter, never daunted. Second quarter. I'm starting to feel maybe a little bit daunted, but I won't publicly say that I'm daunted. A touch of dauntless second half. You know what? I'm definitely daunted. And maybe it's okay to be daunted. Maybe we're not ready to be undaunted just yet. Then the SEC games start. We're fucking never daunted. We're never daunted. Now you get to point to the scoreboard for SEC teams and anyone that says to Indiana, well maybe, you know, you shouldn't get your ass kicked by Ohio State and just point to the rest of your schedule being cupcakes. Well, guess what? Now the SEC and teams like Notre Dame, you can't make the schedule argument anymore because Indiana, if you just look at their losses and you look at their wins and their overall strength and schedule, you can't say that you should be in over Indiana anymore. Yeah, so it was crazy. And now I'm going to take. I'm. I've been a big like pro college football playoff guy since they announced it. I think that having a 12 and eventually 16 playoff is awesome. It's good. Every other sport has a tournament like this. I'm going to take, I'm going to do devil's advocate for Tom Frenelli.
[19:30]
Big Cat
Okay.
[19:30]
Hank
Because this thought crept into my head on the drive in this morning. Is there an argument to be made that teams like powerhouse teams are losing more frequently because they don't have that same sense of Urgency every single week. Like you have to be perfect or else you do not get into the 14 playoff.
[19:50]
Big Cat
No, I don't think that's the case. I think it's the parody of the NIL and the transfer portal has made it so it's a lot more flattened out. And it's not like this year is. I mean this year has had chaos, but we still have a undefeated Oregon team. We still have a one loss Ohio State team, we still have a one lost Texas team and one like. So there still would be a 14 playoff that we just never paid attention to five through 12. And now we are. You know what I mean? Like the conversation on Saturday would have just been Ohio State, Penn State almost losing to Minnesota. By the way, Shadow James Franklin. That fake punt was awesome. Like it would have, it would have just shifted our eyes to. We're only watching those four teams play and not the rest of the teams that are still eligible for the playoffs.
[20:39]
Hank
Like if you're Georgia, you don't think that there's like a small, small bit that's like if, if you, if all these games are must wins, they come out, they play just a tiny, tiny bit more focused or harder against Ole Miss?
[20:51]
Big Cat
No, I mean I think they play. I think Ole Miss was just the better team.
[20:55]
Hank
They were the better team that day.
[20:56]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah. I think it was a thought.
[20:57]
Hank
It was a thought that I had. Now I'm still in favor of the playoffs.
[21:00]
Big Cat
Tom's point, and I understand Tom's point is that the, like Notre Dame losing to NIU in the past would have been a catastrophic loss that ended their season. You do lose a little of that. I agree with Tom there. But Notre Dame's playing good ball right now. Like I know that Army, I had Notre Dame versus Army. I thought they were going to kill him. They killed him. Army was undefeated going to that game. I want to see Notre Dame and I don't know if Notre Dame can win the entire thing, but they could probably win a playoff game, maybe two. I do think there's been such a mess at all these, all these like conferences and we, I mean the Big 12 has eight teams still could get into the Big 12 championship game. I do strongly think that if your name's not Oregon, Ohio State or Georgia, you're not going to win the whole thing. But I'm happy about the 12 team playoff. So it's kind of like we're going to get to the same thing at the end, but it's going to be more fun during the season. Because you have these crazy results that like Alabama losing to Oklahoma. Alabama already would have had just a disappointing. This season is over before Saturday night. Then having that, it's like, holy, how do you not make the 12 team playoff? You're Alabama.
[22:08]
Hank
Could you see Tennessee going on a little run? Tennessee also possibly was a big winner throughout.
[22:13]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah.
[22:13]
Hank
This Saturday, like everything that had to happen in Tennessee and more happened.
[22:16]
Big Cat
Yeah. I said that the Indiana and Tennessee were the big winners. The I could. I'm still a little nervous about Nico.
[22:22]
Hank
Yeah. But I've seen like flashes here and there from. He hasn't been good this season, don't get me wrong. But he's had a couple plays, a couple games where I'm like, oh, this guy's really good. And I anytime I see that out of a young player, I'm like, what if they just become that player?
[22:35]
Big Cat
Yeah. The other big winner we should say is the acc because now SMU and Miami in a collision course too, which I'm not ruling out. More chaos happening this weekend. I think rivalry weekend throughout the record books. There could be more chaos we don't even see. But SMU and Clemson or SMU and Miami, both of them should get in now with a bunch of three loss SEC teams.
[22:58]
Hank
They should. Yeah.
[22:59]
Big Cat
And Texas A and M by the way is still alive if they win out. So if Texas A and M beats Texas, they'll be in the SEC championship game. And if they win the SEC championship game, they're automatically in.
[23:09]
Hank
So there's another big story that happened after Oklahoma beat Alabama. Brent Finnables, the under fire coach, I would say for Oklahoma, that's fair to call him. He spent a Saturday night at a Taco Bell in Norman after beating Alabama. He and his daughters spent $94 at Taco Bell.
[23:31]
Big Cat
How many daughters?
[23:32]
Hank
I'm going to guess two.
[23:34]
Big Cat
Okay.
[23:34]
Hank
I'm going to guess two daughters.
[23:36]
Big Cat
That's a lightweight order.
[23:37]
Hank
That's $94 at Taco Bell between a football coach with two daughters. He might have had like $70 worth of orders.
[23:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[23:47]
Hank
So I don't know how that breaks down, but I do know that that's. That's kind of a big boy. It's a big boy order to do that with your daughters.
[23:53]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, he deserved it. They rushed the field twice.
[23:57]
Hank
Yeah, they rushed the field.
[23:58]
Big Cat
There's rushing the field everywhere. Hank already pointed out because he seems to only care about our teams losing. Pft that Nebraska rush the team on. Rush the field on Wisconsin.
[24:07]
Hank
It's a big Win for Nebraska.
[24:08]
Big Cat
Yeah, they deserve it.
[24:09]
Hank
They haven't. They haven't been to a bowl game.
[24:10]
Big Cat
In like a decade.
[24:12]
Hank
Yeah. Been a bad, bad football team.
[24:14]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[24:14]
Hank
Really bad.
[24:14]
Big Cat
And shout out our good friend Dana because he turned around that offense.
[24:19]
Hank
Yeah.
[24:19]
Memes
Good shout out to Dana.
[24:21]
Hank
Also, news breaking this morning. Mack Brown has been fired.
[24:24]
Big Cat
Oh, I thought he was going to come back.
[24:26]
Hank
Mack Brown has been fired by the University of North Carolina.
[24:29]
Big Cat
He said he wanted to come back after he had tried to retire halfway through the season. He quit.
[24:33]
Hank
He quit after JMU beat them. I think it was 70 to 50.
[24:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[24:37]
Hank
And he quit for 24 hours. I don't even think it was 24 hours. I think it was like a five hour.
[24:43]
Big Cat
Remember, he told his team, I don't think I can coach you anymore. And then on Sunday, they talked to Mack Brown's assistant and he was like, he'll be at work. He'll be at work on Monday.
[24:52]
Hank
Yeah. Don't. He says this all the time. This is Mac. So do you think Mac does. You think he gets another job, he goes back to tv?
[24:57]
Big Cat
I would say he's probably done.
[24:59]
Hank
Probably going to tv.
[25:00]
Big Cat
Yes, I would say he's probably done. That's interesting, because now we'll see. I mean, if. If Kirby Smart wins the national title this year, we're going to have. There's. How many national title head coaches will be. Will there be like, there'll be. Just be Kirby Smart.
[25:16]
Hank
Just Kirby Smart.
[25:17]
Big Cat
No. Dabo.
[25:19]
Hank
Yep, Dabo.
[25:20]
Big Cat
Dabo. Because Jimbo's gone.
[25:22]
Hank
Yeah. Harbaugh's gone.
[25:23]
Big Cat
Harbaugh's gone. Ed O's obviously gone. Urban Meyer's gone.
[25:28]
Hank
Saban's gone.
[25:28]
Big Cat
Saban's gone. I don't know if we're forgetting someone. I'm sure we are. And fucking this up.
[25:34]
Hank
No, I don't. I don't know.
[25:35]
Big Cat
I think we're right. I think that's it. So we just be. I mean, obviously Ryan Day or Dan Landing could join the crew this year.
[25:44]
Hank
Yeah, I think that's it, right?
[25:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. It's crazy. Mack Brown was the. Was the best part of the trivia question of how many head coaches currently have a national title.
[25:51]
Hank
Yeah, that was the. Do you know ball question about Mac.
[25:54]
Big Cat
Last thing I wanted to talk about with college football. Do you want to do a new segment?
[25:59]
Hank
A new segment?
[26:00]
Big Cat
It's called our unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race.
[26:04]
Hank
Okay.
[26:04]
Big Cat
Okay.
[26:05]
Hank
It's hot. Why is it so hot in the studio?
[26:07]
Big Cat
All right, so quick, unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. I have a couple things I would like to say to Heisman voters that might be listening. Listen here to.
[26:19]
Memes
Put your laptop down on. Okay.
[26:20]
Big Cat
All right. Put my laptop down. I have some stats I have to read as well. I'll find them on my phone. So unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. The first thing I would like to say is. So I believe the Heisman ballots go out on Monday and you can send them in as early as you want or you could wait for conference championship weekend to happen. We know how politics have worked in the last, whatever decade, actually going all the way back to 2000, fraught with, you know, maybe some voter fraud, some irregularities. What I would like to say to the Heisman voters is send in your ballot early. Make sure your ballot gets counted. You get that ballot on Monday or Tuesday, you fill it out, you send it right back. So I've read Conference championship weekend can change your opinion. Yeah.
[27:07]
Hank
There's nothing to stop you from registering in multiple states either. You don't have to worry about signature verification if you're in California. I know sometimes it'll take the voters from California maybe two months to process the vote. So you should get them in now just so you have a higher likelihood of them getting counted. If you look at it, I think it really comes down to two guys. Big Cat. I think it's, it's Genty from Boise State.
[27:30]
Big Cat
Ashton Genti having a great year.
[27:31]
Hank
He's having a great year. Fantastic year. You know, they're saying that he, he's doing things that haven't been done for like 30 years or so.
[27:38]
Big Cat
Hold that thought real quick.
[27:38]
Hank
Uh huh. I'm holding the thought. I'm holding space for that thought right now.
[27:42]
Big Cat
Unbiased, Unbiased. Unbiased. Heisman Trophy talk. Can you say that last sentence again?
[27:47]
Hank
Yeah. Ashton Ginty is doing stuff that, you know, people are saying that it hasn't been done for 30 years or so.
[27:52]
Big Cat
Yeah. Melvin Gordon in 2014, I can't remember what team he played for. He had 2,587 yards, 7.5 yards per carry, which is the same as Ashton Gentee, 32 total touchdowns. Now Ashton Gentee right now has 2,000, a little over 2,000 yards and 28 total touchdowns. So he could get to those numbers. Melvin Gordon played in. I think it was the Big Ten. Yeah.
[28:14]
Hank
And didn't Melvin Gordon, he, he put up some of those stats against a very avanted Nebraska defense.
[28:19]
Big Cat
He ran 400 yards against Nebraska, a.
[28:21]
Hank
Really tough defense with great Linebacker, Another.
[28:23]
Big Cat
Random guy, because we've never seen this before. Again, Ashton Gentee having a great year. No, no, like he's having a great year. Monty Ball, I don't know where he played 2011. He had just south of 2,000 yards, 39 total touchdowns.
[28:41]
Hank
And he was fat.
[28:42]
Big Cat
And he was fat. And he did that. I think. I think he was in the Big Ten as well. We also have just random guys. Kevin Smith, who played for UCF in 2007, he had 2,500 rushing yards and 29 touchdowns. And Rashad Penny, who actually plays in the Mountain west in 2017, had 2,248 yards, 7.8 yards per carry, which is more than Ash and Genti and 23 touchdowns. So it seems like we maybe have seen this before. Again, we're very unbiased here. This is our unbiased Heisman Trophy take. Yeah.
[29:15]
Hank
And you know, Barry Sanders did it a long time ago. All time. Great. Nothing to take away from Barry Sanders. He had some very, very impressive stats that are, I think, currently, as they stand, better than Ashton Jinty's. So Ashton Ginty is doing stuff that has almost never been done before, with the exception of those, what, five people that you mentioned.
[29:33]
Big Cat
Well, actually, I want to give credit to Ash and Genti real quick because he has done something that's never been done before. As far as I know, he had nine total touchdowns against Utah State and Georgia Southern. I don't know if anyone else has done that. So a third of his touched or. Yeah, a third of his total touchdowns came against Utah State and Georgia Southern. So he has done something that no one's ever done. Yeah.
[29:59]
Hank
So. But overall, big picture, zooming out. Very impressive season.
[30:03]
Big Cat
Incredible.
[30:03]
Hank
I'd say one of the best seasons for running back of all time in.
[30:07]
Big Cat
The last five years.
[30:10]
Hank
Five years, yes. Now, wait, Georgia Southern, they beat Ole Miss, right?
[30:15]
Big Cat
I don't think so.
[30:16]
Hank
They lost Ole Miss. Yeah, they had one big. Oh, yeah. James Madison wins it. Beat James Madison. That's what it was. So you're right. Big Cat, pretty impressive season. Travis Hunter was the other name that came to mind.
[30:29]
Big Cat
Oh, who's he play for? I don't even know.
[30:32]
Hank
He plays for the Colorado Buffaloes. Ask me what position he plays.
[30:36]
Big Cat
Pft. What position does he play?
[30:38]
Hank
He plays two positions.
[30:39]
Memes
Big Cat.
[30:40]
Hank
What at?
[30:41]
Big Cat
Oh, is he kicker and punter at.
[30:42]
Hank
The highest of levels, he probably could. He could be like Sammy Ball if you let him. And he also plays a little bit of quarterback, too. They do a lot of direct snaps. Are really? Kind of three positions.
[30:50]
Big Cat
Okay.
[30:51]
Hank
For the Colorado Buffaloes, he plays wide receiver, cornerback, and yeah, occasionally he'll take some snaps as the quarterback in some running situations. Now he's doing things that nobody has ever done in the history of college football.
[31:04]
Big Cat
Not even in the last five, 10 years?
[31:06]
Hank
Not even in the last five to 10 years, no. And it's like every time he puts the ball, you put the ball in his hands, he scores a touchdown, which is pretty impressive. And he doesn't get bottled up in halves either. I've noticed that sometimes you can say about other players, they might be bottled up for a little bit, but you give them enough reps, they're going to break one through.
[31:22]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[31:22]
Hank
You can't bottle up Travis Hunter.
[31:24]
Big Cat
Right.
[31:25]
Hank
You can't bottle him up.
[31:25]
Big Cat
Right.
[31:26]
Hank
The guy is. He's a beast. He is a ball hawk and he's dynamic with the ball in his hands and he's probably going to be invited to be the. To the awards for the top defensive back in the country and also the top wide receivers in the country. I believe that's. And is it the Jim Thorpe? Yeah, he'll probably be nominated for both of those awards.
[31:47]
Big Cat
I got a question for you. Pft. So does he. Cornerback and wide receiver, does he play over 100 snaps a game?
[31:54]
Hank
Yeah. Even more than that, you could say, because you don't take into account the penalties, as our good friend Joel Joe Clatt. Oh, tell us. When you look at the total snaps that he plays, it's way over 100 snaps per game.
[32:06]
Big Cat
Yeah. So. All right, last question. About this guy, Travis Hunter, who I'm just learning about. So he plays both sides. He doesn't score touchdowns, does he?
[32:12]
Hank
All he does is score touchdowns.
[32:13]
Big Cat
Did he score a couple on Saturday?
[32:15]
Hank
He had a pair of touchdowns on Saturday.
[32:17]
Big Cat
Colorado. You said that he played for Colorado. Yeah, they lost to Kansas. So did Kansas throw for like a million yards or did they run for a million yards?
[32:26]
Hank
No, they ran the football.
[32:27]
Big Cat
Oh, they ran the football. So actually, actually he, he. He did his job and he. If you watch the game, which I didn't, but I'm just saying I might have watched the game. They just didn't throw at him because he's such a good corner.
[32:39]
Hank
They don't really throw at him, but even when they don't throw at him, he still manages to get interceptions.
[32:43]
Big Cat
That's crazy.
[32:44]
Hank
Yeah.
[32:45]
Big Cat
Wow. Any questions, Hank?
[32:48]
Memes
No. I feel like it seems like there's no media bias whatsoever. It's not a popularity contest. People are. I've I've seen people say that. It doesn't really make sense. Like this isn't a. Has nothing to do with his popularity or, you know, the sexiness of it. It's just strictly numbers.
[33:03]
Big Cat
Well, I mean, PFT just explained it. Like we're. It's one guy who we've literally never seen this happen before and then another guy who we see it happen every five to 10 years. And then also maybe sometimes against better competition in the Big Ten. Melvin Gordon, Monty Ball. Again, I don't know who they play for. So yeah, I mean, this is a no brainer. If I had a Heisman vote, I think I'd go Travis Hunter. We, we did a bad job this year. We didn't really talk about the Heisman much. So I'm happy that we're kind of at the end of the regular season when again you should send in your vote early, often right away. No, no, I don't count conference championship weekend.
[33:39]
Hank
No, don't wait. Don't wait to see what happens. Anything could happen.
[33:41]
Big Cat
So send in your vote early. And it sounds like it's kind of. It's Travis Hunter. If I had to vote right now, I think I'd vote Travis Hunter.
[33:49]
Memes
Who's to Whose line is it anyway? You guys said you haven't been lost, locked in, but who's who Whose line is anyway? Would you say for the Heisman Trophy right now?
[33:56]
Big Cat
I mean, it should be like Travis Hunter minus like 5,000. If everything what PFT said is correct.
[34:03]
Memes
Right now, it's Travis Hunter minus 800. Ashton GT is plus 600.
[34:08]
Big Cat
Well, that's kind of crazy because it doesn't seem like again, we're. It's something we've never seen before.
[34:13]
Memes
I mean, minus 800 is like basically a sure thing.
[34:15]
Hank
No, no, no, I wouldn't say it's a sure thing at all. Tell the truth. Tell the truth.
[34:24]
Big Cat
Look at me right now. Hold on.
[34:26]
Hank
Tell the truth, Hank. Did you bet on Ashton Ginty to win the Heisman?
[34:29]
PFT Commenter
No.
[34:30]
Memes
No, I did not.
[34:31]
Big Cat
Okay.
[34:31]
Memes
And if you follow me on the DraftKings sportsbook Barstool betting group, you would.
[34:34]
Hank
Know that at that point I would almost respect it. If you bet on Travis Jensen.
[34:39]
Memes
I'd be crazy. I bet on Travis Hunter.
[34:40]
Big Cat
Unbiased. Unbiased Heisman Trophy conversation is over. I put my sweatshirt back on. What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you doing? I'm just.
[34:50]
Memes
I'm. I'm just talking. Piece of shit. I thought I was trying to speed up from the hate. Okay, My bad.
[34:56]
Hank
Okay, you just said it was a sure thing.
[34:58]
Big Cat
What are you doing?
[34:59]
Memes
That's not what I said.
[34:59]
Hank
Travis Hunter has nine receiving touchdown, 74 receptions, 911 receiving yards. He's got two carries and a rushing touchdown. Okay, that's a pretty high percentage, isn't it? What's that?
[35:11]
Big Cat
Back to unbiased.
[35:12]
Hank
What is Ashton Ginty's carry to touchdown ratio? Is it better than two carries with a rushing touchdown?
[35:22]
Big Cat
Does he.
[35:22]
Hank
Does he score touchdowns 50% of the time he touches the ball?
[35:24]
Big Cat
No, definitely not.
[35:26]
Hank
Does he play defense?
[35:27]
Big Cat
He does not play defense.
[35:28]
Hank
Okay, so Travis also plays in the.
[35:29]
Big Cat
Mountain west, which I like. The Mountain West. Great. Mountain West.
[35:31]
Hank
Travis Hunter, 23 tackles, eight PBUs, three picks. And, oh, yeah, he has a forced fumble at the goal line that won his team a game.
[35:40]
PFT Commenter
Wow. Wow.
[35:43]
Big Cat
That's crazy.
[35:44]
Hank
That is crazy, Hank. And I don't like you. Hank.
[35:47]
Big Cat
Lock it up. Come on, Hank.
[35:49]
Hank
I love you.
[35:50]
Big Cat
Fucking clean it.
[35:50]
Memes
Love you, too.
[35:51]
Big Cat
All right, unbiased Heisman talk is over. That was our college football talk. I'm happy for the listeners that we were able to finally talk about the Heisman Trophy, which we haven't done all year. So you think.
[36:06]
Hank
You think any voters out there just hate Dion so much that they'll take a vote out against him?
[36:10]
Big Cat
Well, those people should. Those people should hand in their vote. And don't. Don't vote if you're. If you. If you are that biased or unbiased.
[36:19]
Hank
Be a big J. Be a big J and admit your biases and be like, you know what? I am going to recuse myself from voting because there's a conflict of interest.
[36:25]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[36:26]
Hank
Because Deion wouldn't answer my question at a press conference.
[36:29]
Big Cat
Yeah. And vote early. Vote often. We can't say it enough. Make sure you get that in Commerce, championship games don't really matter. Okay, let's do our Thanksgiving preview, and then we'll do Hot Seat, Cool Throne, and get to Fred Smoot. It is brought to you by our friends at Amazon. Black Friday football is on. It's only on Prime Video. This Friday, the Las Vegas Raiders take on the Kansas City Chiefs. It's an old school rivalry for a new game day. Join Al Michaels, Kirk Herbstreet and Kaylee Hartung for this exciting matchup. Coverage begins at 1:30pm Eastern with kickoff at 3pm Not a prime member. Not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial and you can cancel at any time. It's Black Friday football, the Raiders and the Chiefs at 1:30pm Eastern. It's on Prime Video restrictions apply. See Amazon.com Amazon prime for details. I. By the way, we did that whole thing, and I don't know why. So Pug. Max is in Philly. Pug is. I don't know what we have on the TV right now. We have like a. They're like a English, like, artifact finders.
[37:31]
Hank
Why are we watching Pug?
[37:34]
Big Cat
What did you put on the tv?
[37:36]
Hank
I don't. I have Max up right now.
[37:38]
Big Cat
No, you do not. We are watching two British women look at, like, an old scroll.
[37:44]
Memes
It's a good furnishing example because it said pounds.
[37:47]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[37:49]
Hank
It was the teeth.
[37:50]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[37:51]
Hank
What a beautiful pair of earrings that we have here.
[37:53]
Big Cat
Oh, look at this.
[37:57]
Hank
Actually gave them as a wedding present, but they actually came from my mom.
[38:00]
Big Cat
We put through her granny, so.
[38:01]
Hank
My great granny. Oh, how wonderful. Oh, granny. Absolutely stunning.
[38:05]
Big Cat
When is this? This is from when we colonized every country in the world. Our prince.
[38:09]
Hank
Our prince Harry has left for the United States, but now he's in a professional separation from. From his girlfriend.
[38:14]
Memes
Yeah, let's not talk about the kingdom for a girl.
[38:18]
Big Cat
A pedophile. Max, you're back. I don't know why we had that on.
[38:24]
Memes
Are you in a bathroom?
[38:25]
Big Cat
Max, can you hear us?
[38:26]
Max
No, I'm in the basement. My mic just got fucked up again.
[38:29]
Hank
Oh, no. Are you pooping?
[38:32]
Big Cat
You're in a bathroom like, you're in a bath.
[38:34]
Hank
We should do an episode where we're all pooping.
[38:35]
Big Cat
Oh, that would be good. Part of my poop. Max, real quick before we talk about Thanksgiving games. In the Black Friday game, did you. Were you able to hear our unbiased Heisman conversation?
[38:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[38:46]
Max
Hanks a fucking asshole.
[38:47]
Big Cat
He always is.
[38:48]
Hank
What was that?
[38:51]
Big Cat
It was like, basically PTI were playing a perfect pick and roll off, and Hank just showed up and just tripped. No, you weren't. I said it.
[39:00]
Memes
I said basically, you got. Whatever.
[39:02]
Hank
He said, basically, you just tried to jinx it.
[39:05]
Max
You know, you've done that a million times.
[39:08]
Hank
I was doing.
[39:09]
Memes
I was talking.
[39:10]
Big Cat
I was talking. He doesn't.
[39:14]
Hank
He doesn't. It's his life.
[39:16]
Big Cat
He doesn't know how to get out of this life.
[39:17]
Hank
I did love.
[39:18]
Memes
This is the Brooks.
[39:19]
Big Cat
This is.
[39:19]
Memes
There's sometimes when I troll sometimes.
[39:21]
Hank
I did love Barstool Paul being like, all he does is try to make the podcast better, and all you guys hate on him.
[39:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[39:26]
Max
And I. I mean, Hank did a phenomenal job on. On Monday's episode. I will say that.
[39:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. Phenomenal.
[39:33]
Max
Phenomenal podcasting by Henry Yeah.
[39:35]
Hank
Instead. Instead of calling time out to hate like Mr. Kraft would like him to do, he literally calls timeout to hate so he has more time. I have Travis Hunter.
[39:45]
Memes
Like, I have Travis Hunter.
[39:46]
Hank
I actually think it'd be very funny if you had secretly had J this entire time.
[39:50]
Memes
But, like, that's where it's like, you guys are coming down my throat. I'm in the same exact boat.
[39:54]
Hank
What are we doing?
[39:55]
Big Cat
We're coming down.
[39:59]
Max
I don't think you did that on purpose, but I think your brain.
[40:02]
Big Cat
Yeah. Just automatically goes, if I said it.
[40:04]
Memes
Was a law, then I said, so basically, that's opening up the idea to. To. To whatever. I was trying to play into their bit.
[40:12]
Hank
How was that playing along? I'm just curious.
[40:14]
Big Cat
It wasn't a bit, by the way.
[40:15]
Memes
Because I was doing the. Like, you guys. I was basically giving the sides of people who are against Travis Hunter, and I was giving you guys the opportunity to refute it by being like, oh, like, it's. It's a popularity contest. No, like, oh, it must be a sure thing then. Like, no, there's a giving a reason for why it's not a sure thing, and you should vote early.
[40:31]
Hank
Hank, there's a great quote by Kurt Vonnegut. I think he says, we are what we pretend to be, so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be. And I feel like you have pretended to be a troll so much that is actually running through your blood right now.
[40:45]
Big Cat
I think it's opposite. I think he does 50.
[40:47]
Memes
Your entire career is based off being a troll. This whole, like, the T word gets thrown around.
[40:53]
Hank
How do think I know that negative thing?
[40:55]
Memes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[40:56]
Big Cat
All right, let's talk Thursday and Friday games. We're gonna do one pick each for Thursday or. Yeah, for Thursday and Friday, and then we'll do two picks on Sunday. What is the updated standings? Do we have that?
[41:11]
Hank
I believe Max had two wins last weekend. So Max is now a half game back of me. So he's still in last, and I'm one game back of you, big cat. And I think you might be one game back of.
[41:22]
Big Cat
We're a human centipede of losing picks.
[41:24]
Hank
Yeah, nobody is losers.
[41:26]
Fred Smoot
Me and Hank, 12 and 12.
[41:28]
Big Cat
Big Cat 11, 13. Pft.
[41:29]
Hank
10, 14.
[41:30]
Fred Smoot
Max 9, 14 and 1.
[41:31]
Big Cat
Okay, so let's talk the games. First up, Bears at Lions. Lions minus 10, over under 40. Eight and a half. I am on high alert of a very embarrassing Thanksgiving.
[41:45]
Hank
Yeah, this is a. It's bad timing to be playing against the Lions, right Now as the early game on Thanksgiving.
[41:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[41:50]
Hank
Because that's going to set the tone for your entire day.
[41:53]
Big Cat
It feels. Yeah, I know the Lions lost last year to the Packers. I don't. I don't feel good about the Bears chances in this game. Did you guys see Matt Eberfluss? Who, by the way, I. They should fire him after we get embarrassed by the Lions. Because at this point, I know the Bears have never fired a coach in 100 years history in midseason. At this point, you should honestly tell Caleb, like, hey, we fucked up with Shane Waldron and Matt Eberflusse. Our bad. We're firing them right now. It's your franchise. You're going to have a very big part of who we hire next because it's your franchise.
[42:31]
Hank
So you're saying fire Eberfluz after Thanksgiving.
[42:34]
Big Cat
After. Right after Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving.
[42:36]
Hank
Leave him in Detroit.
[42:37]
Big Cat
Leave him in Detroit. He was asked about the challenge that he had of Jordan Addison where, you know, he might have gone out of bounds and they challenged the play. He says it always warrants a challenge when you have that big of a gain, even if we don't have the best look at what we would have.
[42:57]
Hank
Yeah.
[42:57]
Big Cat
It's not good admitting that essentially, if there's an explosive play, even if you think that it. Everything was fine, just challenge it. Because you just want to challenge. Rage.
[43:08]
Memes
Challenge.
[43:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[43:09]
Hank
It happens all the time. Coaches challenge a play because they don't like what happened, but they don't admit that.
[43:13]
Big Cat
They don't.
[43:13]
Hank
They want to admit it, but he admits it.
[43:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[43:15]
Hank
Which is pretty crazy. There should be somebody on that staff that is in charge of watching the plays and telling them when to challenge. That's bad. It's a bad thing to think. It's a bad thing to do. And it's a pretty. Pretty terrible thing to admit publicly.
[43:28]
Big Cat
Yes.
[43:28]
Hank
It's almost like he wants to be fired.
[43:30]
Big Cat
Do you think. Is David Montgomery going to play? I don't think it matters.
[43:34]
Hank
I don't know.
[43:34]
Big Cat
Yeah, it doesn't matter. The Lions are going to do whatever they want on offense because that's the biggest thing is the Bears defenses take falling off a cliff injury. Update. Will lion play on Thanksgiving? This is Pug Pug on the computer. He sits out walk through practice. Yeah. Lions are going to win this game. I don't know what to say. I just hope the Kill plays well. Like the Lions are going to win this game. It's crazy that we are in a world where for the longest time the Thanksgiving early game was the Lions, like in the midst of a terrible season, and you have the sad pilgrim guy taking a nap halfway through the game. Lions, the best team in football, and they get their center stage on Thanksgiving. I wish it wasn't at my expense, but it is, and I understand the deal here.
[44:15]
Hank
I'm always curious about the pattern of Lions fans on Thanksgiving because you've had this game for a very long time. It was only yours. And I think Jerry Jones was like, I want to get in on some of that turkey action.
[44:24]
Big Cat
Give me that.
[44:25]
Hank
The Cowboys should have one, too, but it's been the Lions tradition. What is the pattern? What do you go through? What does your day look like as a Lions fan? Do you have family over and you all go to the game together? Do you have, like, a lot of stuff pre made before you go to the game? Then you go home, you pop it in the oven. Do you. Do you get a nap on Thanksgiving if you're a Lions fan?
[44:43]
Big Cat
I think if you go to this. Are you saying guys, people who go.
[44:46]
Hank
To the game, People that go to the game?
[44:47]
Big Cat
Yeah, I think if you're going to the game, the perfect way to do it is you go, you tailgate and you have everything ready for after the game and you do Thanksgiving dinner, like.
[44:59]
Hank
At the tailgate in the parking lot after the game.
[45:01]
Big Cat
That'd be fun.
[45:02]
Hank
Which has to hit so much harder if you have a good team.
[45:04]
Big Cat
Yeah. Or you could actually do it before. I mean, it's 12:30 local time. You could. You could do a Thanksgiving, you know, do Thanksgiving dinner at like 11:30 and then left. I mean, that's. I think that's too early for regular people. But if you're going to a game, Thanksgiving dinner at 11:30, then leftovers when you get out of the game. Yeah.
[45:20]
Hank
You might be able to, depending how cold it is, it might keep pretty well in the parking lot afterwards. But yeah, it's got to be a whole different animal for. For Lions fans having a good team to watch, a fun team to watch on Thanksgiving. Hopefully they. Yeah, you have a good one afterwards because eating a sad, somber Thanksgiving every single year, like, I bet people from Detroit have a completely different vibe of what Thanksgiving is like from the rest of the country because they had to deal with such shitty teams for so long that they'd be forced to watch in the morning.
[45:48]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[45:49]
Hank
And then Thanksgiving is probably pretty low down on their. Their list of national holidays compared to.
[45:53]
Big Cat
The rest of the country, but now it's a celebration.
[45:55]
Hank
Now it's the Best. Yeah.
[45:56]
Big Cat
Now it's a celebration. By the way, this is just a fun stat I came across since playing the Buccaneers. The Eagles and lions are combined 16 and O. So the Bucks are the third best team in the NFC. This is all I got from that stat.
[46:12]
Hank
Yeah.
[46:13]
Big Cat
I mean, 16, 0. The last loss for the Eagles and the Lions is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's pretty crazy.
[46:19]
Hank
The Lions are. It's crazy. I think they're the best at everything. Yeah, I really do. I think that. I think that they're. They have maybe the best running attack in the nfc. I think they've got the best. Yeah. Max. This is.
[46:33]
Big Cat
Max. He said the best at everything. Everything.
[46:38]
Max
I mean, that's incorrect, but that's fine.
[46:40]
Big Cat
Well, they can't be the best at.
[46:42]
Hank
The best at having Saquon Barkley, but.
[46:44]
Big Cat
They'Re also not the best at running quarterbacks.
[46:47]
Hank
That's true.
[46:48]
Big Cat
Lamar and Josh Allen would be. I would take them over Jared Goff.
[46:51]
Hank
In terms of running, but I'm saying, like, as a team. Yeah, they might be the best at everything.
[46:56]
Big Cat
This is also, by the way, the biggest favorite the Lions have been since 1968. That's pretty crazy. So 1968 was the last time they were this big of a favorite on Thanksgiving. So, yeah, they usually. It's usually a bad scene. Max, did you. Do you wanted to dispute that? What is the. What are the Eagles better at?
[47:15]
Max
I mean, they're. They're comparable at every single position. Their defense and the defense is better. The Eagles defense is unequivocally better.
[47:22]
Hank
Okay. They are better at yards allowed per game.
[47:28]
Max
Which is a pretty important thing for a defense.
[47:30]
Hank
And they are better at. They are better at running the football.
[47:34]
Max
Which is a pretty important thing for an offense.
[47:36]
Big Cat
So it's also true.
[47:37]
Max
But yeah, no, the Lions are better at everything.
[47:38]
Hank
I'd like to walk back that take gracefully. The Lions are better than the Eagles at almost everything.
[47:45]
Max
No, this is perfect, though, because I love that everybody who doesn't. Everybody across the NFL has just anointed the Lions the winners of the nfs. They've anointed the lines as the winners of the Super Bowl.
[47:55]
Big Cat
I agree with you.
[47:56]
Max
Even though when you just look. Look at the stats. The Eagles are right there. Yeah, they're a different team than the first four games since. I mean, since Baldiani has come out.
[48:06]
Big Cat
It's.
[48:06]
Max
They're the best team in football.
[48:08]
Big Cat
Yeah, the. I. Yeah, I think the Eagles are right there. I know Lions. Lions fans have also gotten to the point where they're They're. They've. They haven't embraced the fact that they're just like the favorites to win the super bowl. And, like, they'll be mad if you pick against the Lions. It's like, if you pick against the team, doesn't mean you think the team stinks. It's called a spread.
[48:27]
Hank
Right.
[48:28]
Big Cat
I'm one in one picking against the Lions in the last three weeks when I had the Texans and then last week I obviously had the Colts. The. Here's another stat that's going to suck for the Bears. Favorites of over 10 points are 9 and 0 against the spread on Thanksgiving since 2005 and 110 against the spread in the wild card era. So big favorites Thanksgiving, they just crush.
[48:46]
Hank
Yeah.
[48:47]
Big Cat
All right, next game. Gross. Jerry World Giants and Cowboys. Cowboys -4 over under 37 and a half. I don't know. This is gonna suck.
[48:57]
Hank
Is this true, Lock, or are we getting more Tommy?
[48:59]
Big Cat
I think it might still be Tommy.
[49:00]
Hank
This is a.
[49:01]
Big Cat
This is a perfect nap game.
[49:03]
Hank
Yeah.
[49:04]
Big Cat
Yeah. Good timing. Nap game.
[49:05]
Hank
Good timing for the nap. I would like to see Drew Lock start in this game. I don't know if we're going to get him, but Jerry Jones came out this week. He did his. His hit on 105.3 and he said, I don't see why we wouldn't be thinking about keeping Mike McCarthy around, giving him an extension.
[49:22]
Big Cat
So they are thinking about it.
[49:23]
Hank
I also think there's a chance Jerry just might be with Mike McCarthy.
[49:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[49:27]
Hank
Just like he knows he's going to fire him, but he's trying to be Nice guy Jerry in public.
[49:32]
Big Cat
Listen, he. Wait. What is that? Qb. What is that? Stop typing. Giants QB Drew Lock revealed final requests he made a Daniel Jones. What was that? Hold my hair.
[49:42]
Hank
Can I have your locker?
[49:43]
Big Cat
Yeah. They're gonna shoot me. She like jokes. He wouldn't let Daniel Jones out of the building after hearing of his Release until the 4. Oh, he just. He said he was gonna kidnap him. This game's gonna stink.
[49:54]
Hank
One last thing he would do before the team.
[49:56]
Big Cat
This is so sad.
[49:58]
Hank
The facility. If he leaves without doing a jersey swap. Oh, we're going to have a problem because I really want a Daniel Jones jersey.
[50:06]
Big Cat
Wow. I mean, you could go to probably Dick's and get one for $20.
[50:11]
Hank
I have a theory. I think Drew Locke, as you know, he's played backup quarterback a few times. I think he wants to have the jerseys of all the guys whose jobs he took, even momentarily.
[50:22]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. Which I guess he technically hasn't so.
[50:24]
Hank
He needs to get Tom.
[50:25]
Big Cat
Oh, no. Yeah. No, he hasn't taken his job yet.
[50:28]
Hank
Has he been playing scout team safety?
[50:29]
Big Cat
He might have.
[50:30]
Hank
He might have, yeah.
[50:31]
Big Cat
Taken his job there. I don't really know this game. I'm probably going to end up betting the Cowboys and it's. Something weird is going to happen because it's the NFL.
[50:37]
Hank
Does this not, though, feel like a great time to take the Giants?
[50:41]
Big Cat
Yeah, well, it's just the Cowboys won, the Giants got embarrassed.
[50:45]
Hank
Yeah, Flip it. Yeah. Also, I recall Tommy DeVito's season last year. Starting pretty poorly. Right?
[50:53]
Big Cat
Well, he.
[50:54]
Hank
And then. And then he had a couple games where he came in.
[50:56]
Big Cat
When he came in. Yeah, he had. I think there was that Raiders game that wasn't very good. And then he had the Monday night game against the packers, which is great. That was big. Yeah.
[51:06]
Hank
So Tommy. Tommy is capable of pulling it together. Do Italians do the seven fishes on Thanksgiving?
[51:13]
Big Cat
Yeah, I don't know if Tommy's capable. I think. I think he is what he is. We'll see. I would like to have an Italian Renaissance with. With Tommy. That would be nice. That'd be a lot of fun. All right.
[51:25]
Hank
How many crowd shots are we going to get of Sean Stellato?
[51:29]
Big Cat
Oh, I don't know if he'll be there.
[51:31]
Hank
Yo, you don't think so on Thanksgiving with all the cameras on him, he's.
[51:34]
Big Cat
Got to do the seven fishes.
[51:35]
Hank
You think Sean Salado is more of a low key guy.
[51:37]
Big Cat
He doesn't like seven fishes.
[51:39]
Hank
I think that's only Christmas, though.
[51:41]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah, that is. Max.
[51:42]
Hank
What do you. What do Italians eat on Thanksgiving?
[51:44]
Max
I was chomping at the bit to correct you on that. There's no seven fishes during Thanksgiving.
[51:48]
Hank
Lasagna eve.
[51:50]
Big Cat
Lasagna. You guys eat lasagna?
[51:52]
Max
Lasagna is an Italian Thanksgiving thing for sure.
[51:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. What do you eat for Thanksgiving? I just.
[51:58]
Max
I go traditional.
[51:59]
Big Cat
Oh, okay. Next game. Next game. Packers. Dolphins at Packers. The line right now on DraftKings is Packers minus three and a half over under 47. Tua in weather. Under 40 degrees, which I think is going to be like 20 degrees on Thursday night in Lambeau. He is zero and four straight up one and three against the spread. Yeah, it doesn't. I'm very nervous about the Dolphins chances in a cold weather game.
[52:30]
Hank
I'm kind of in on two of them being a destroyer of narratives.
[52:33]
Big Cat
Well, here's the thing. The Dolphins are in a weird spot because they are five and six. They have the chance to make a run here down the Stretch, they have been a good team when two has been playing and they've been obviously terrible team when he's been out. Why not have this be the game that you destroy the cold weather narrative? I would like to see because we're taping this early. My big thing is like, is Mike McDaniel making too much of the cold? Because remember when he did the T shirts before the Buffalo game? And it's kind of one of those things where if you talk about it so much, that's all you're going to think about. He's probably watching Let It Be Cold.
[53:09]
Hank
He's probably watching film on the weather. Yeah, he's probably got the boys in the meeting room tuned to weather.com and showing stuff on the, on the big screen about it. I don't know. This makes no sense to me. It makes no sense why I would right now start to believe that the Dolphins can win a cold weather game. But for whatever reason, the fact that Tua talked about it, I think I'm in. I think I'm in on the Dolphins winning a game. How cold?
[53:32]
Big Cat
It's going to be like 20 degrees in Green Bay on Thursday night.
[53:36]
Hank
I want to see what kind of haircut Tua comes out with. If he has a fresh haircut, he's not winning that.
[53:42]
Memes
He's got the frosted tips right now.
[53:44]
Hank
That's perfect for the cold. Yeah, but if he has like, if he hasn't worried about summer cut though, if he hasn't worried about getting a shape up, if he's got, you know, stray hairs, looking kind of shaggy, that's a, that's a quarterback that can win in the cold weather.
[53:58]
Big Cat
I'm not a hater, but if I were going to be a hater and I was trying to get some copium going and be desperate to try to tell myself the packers are not that good, I would maybe point out the fact that the Packers, I believe, have only beaten one team over.500.
[54:22]
Hank
Okay.
[54:23]
Big Cat
So I think it's just the Houston Texans would be the only team. Are the cardinals exactly 500 right now? I think the cardinals are exactly 500.
[54:31]
Hank
Are you saying that the packers are fraudulent?
[54:33]
Big Cat
I'm just saying if I wanted to say, you know, hey, look at this. This is interesting. The Houston Texans are the only team they've beaten that are over 500. They've beaten the Colts, the Titans, the Rams without Cooper cup and Puka Nukua, the Cardinals, the Texans, the Jaguars, the Bears, and the Niners without Brock Purdy.
[54:56]
Hank
Interesting.
[54:57]
Big Cat
Oh, I guess The Cardinals. So Cardinals and Texans. Cardinals are six and five. So Cardinals and Texans. Two teams.
[55:02]
Hank
Did you just have.
[55:02]
Big Cat
If I had to just say that.
[55:04]
Hank
So the Dolphins record on Thanksgiving was what, 7 and 1, 2, 3. 5 and 2.
[55:10]
Big Cat
5 and 2.
[55:11]
Hank
Okay, that's. That's something.
[55:13]
Big Cat
I don't even remember the Dolphins playing on Thanksgiving. That doesn't even.
[55:17]
Memes
2011 was the last time.
[55:19]
Hank
Yeah.
[55:19]
Big Cat
Yeah. That doesn't even feel like a real thing.
[55:22]
Hank
And I think all these games were indoors. This is the first time the Dolphins have played outdoors on Thanksgiving. Huge, huge storyline. Ooh, destroyer of narratives, man.
[55:31]
Big Cat
He's like Khaleesi. Okay, last game Friday. Black Friday works. Pumped for this game, right, Hank?
[55:39]
Memes
Pumped, pumped.
[55:40]
Big Cat
Chiefs, Raiders. Chiefs minus 12 and a half over under 40. Two and a half a. No, Connell.
[55:47]
Hank
I think we're going back to AOC.
[55:48]
Big Cat
We're just.
[55:49]
Hank
We're just skipping over Desmond Ritter.
[55:51]
Big Cat
Yeah, I. The only take I really have on this game is. I think this is. I know the Chiefs big spreads have been. You know, they don't cover big spreads very often, especially on the road. So they're home here. And they also have struggled a little against the Raiders. I think this is a get right game for the Chiefs defense because they gave up 30 points to the Bills. They gave up 27 points to the Panthers. They've hit a little bit of a low. I think this is Spags being like, hey, guys, this is Aiden O'Connell. If I don't get three turnovers this game and, you know, and like, five sacks, we got problems. So let's. Let's really do. Let's do what we should do and what we're. We're built to do and just smother them as a defense.
[56:36]
Hank
Do you think Antonio Pierce pays attention to the spread?
[56:40]
Big Cat
No.
[56:40]
Hank
You don't think so?
[56:41]
Big Cat
No, because remember, he kicks field goals in weird times.
[56:43]
Hank
Yeah, but some. Some of those weird times where he kicks field goals are very convenient for the spread.
[56:48]
Big Cat
I think he doesn't care about the spread. He just is addicted to kicking field goals. And sometimes that helps us.
[56:53]
Hank
Sometimes it accidentally.
[56:54]
Big Cat
Yeah, because he is addicted to kicking field goals. Yes. Yeah. That feels like the. Because. Why? Because they covered last time.
[57:01]
Hank
No, they lost by 10. What was the spread of that game with the Broncos?
[57:04]
Big Cat
Oh, no, they did not cover that.
[57:06]
Hank
They did not cover that.
[57:07]
Big Cat
Broncos. Remind us.
[57:07]
Hank
But did they try to do something at the end of that game?
[57:09]
Big Cat
No, I'm thinking of the.
[57:11]
Hank
There's one.
[57:12]
Big Cat
The Chiefs game they played earlier this season, they were kicking a Bunch of field.
[57:15]
Hank
And I think it was the Rams too. The Rams earlier this season. I want to say they. They were down maybe nine points late and kicked a field goal to get within six. Yeah, he might, he might pay attention to the spread. Either way, this game, I'm paying attention to whether or not Antonio Pierce is paying attention to the spread.
[57:30]
Big Cat
I got my eyes on this game because this is what. This is my personal. The Chiefs better just smush the Raiders. Otherwise I'm. I'm not going to just go off the record. I'm going to go off how they're playing.
[57:41]
Hank
Yeah.
[57:41]
Big Cat
Does that make sense like they, they have to. The. The conversation about the Chiefs being 10 and one. I think they're the 60. There's 64 teams that have started 10 and one in the NFL in like the Super bowl era. They're 63 out of 64 point margin.
[57:57]
Hank
Okay.
[57:58]
Big Cat
So I'm gonna start really. If they win this game by six or three, I'm gonna start leaning into that and being like, I don't believe this. 11 and 1. If they win this game by two scores or more, that's exactly what they should do. Smash the bad teams.
[58:14]
Hank
Yeah. I could also see this being the Max Crosby game. Max likes to show up in very important games every now and again just to remind people that Max Crosby is like a great defensive player even though he's stuck on a shit team.
[58:25]
Big Cat
Yeah. I believe it was the Chiefs game that they kicked a field goal to cover the spread. Eight and a half. Yeah. Earlier this year. What were you gonna say?
[58:33]
Hank
I was looking at the. Yeah. So the Rams one as well.
[58:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[58:38]
Hank
Rams was a big one. So it was a seven point spread. I believe they were down nine.
[58:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[58:42]
Hank
And they kicked a very sad field goal at the end to get it within six.
[58:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. What were you gonna say? The other thing?
[58:48]
Hank
Oh, I forget. I was just talking about Max Crosby. Like we have forgotten a little bit about. He's gotten lost in the sauce this year.
[58:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[58:53]
Hank
Because there's been really nothing to pay attention to, especially their defense as a whole has been bad. And I feel like he. He shows up occasionally on these standalone games where everyone's like, oh, yeah, remember the Condor?
[59:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[59:05]
Hank
Absolute monster the.
[59:06]
Big Cat
This game. Oh, man, I just. I'm excited for it. That's all I really have. Right. Hank?
[59:14]
Hank
I have a question for Hank. Yeah, Hank, does the NFL make sense?
[59:18]
Big Cat
Yeah. This is a big question.
[59:20]
Memes
No.
[59:21]
Hank
Oh, it doesn't.
[59:22]
Big Cat
Okay.
[59:22]
Hank
No, this. It would make absolutely no sense if the Raiders beat the Chiefs On Black Friday, right?
[59:28]
Memes
No, but an inner division game.
[59:30]
Hank
Yeah, I think this might be my the NFL doesn't make sense game because.
[59:35]
Big Cat
Pug just pulled up the. Remember the first time they played this was the Mahomes. Kermit the Frog. He said it will be handled when it's handled.
[59:43]
Memes
But then they didn't.
[59:44]
Big Cat
Well, they cut. They beat him, but he didn't cover. Yeah, yeah. No, you're right. You don't get handle.
[59:48]
Hank
You don't get two Kermit the Frog games.
[59:49]
Big Cat
But he also said it will. It will be handled when it's handled. Maybe he meant when they come to Kansas City. He didn't actually say when it would be handled. He just said it will be handled when it's handled.
[59:59]
Hank
You think they delayed the handling of it?
[60:00]
Big Cat
Well, it's very genius of him because he can just wait till they beat the raiders by like 30 and be like, all right, you see that? That's exactly when it was going to get handled.
[60:08]
Hank
Handled.
[60:09]
Big Cat
Told you it's going to get handled.
[60:10]
Hank
I mean, last weekend, playing down to their opponent, Panthers look good. Panthers offense look good.
[60:17]
Big Cat
Yeah, but that you're doing last weekend, this weekend like Panthers was the NFL doesn't make any sense.
[60:23]
Hank
So would you rather.
[60:24]
Big Cat
So you're chasing. You're chasing the NFL doesn't make any sense high.
[60:27]
Hank
Who do you trust more? Bryce Young or Bryce Young. AOC Bryce Young. But okay, the NFL doesn't make any sense, but Bryce Young. But the NFL doesn't make sense.
[60:37]
Big Cat
They were 11 point and the Panthers were in that game. I feel like that was the game. The NFL doesn't make any sense.
[60:44]
Hank
I've talked myself into the Raiders. You can hear. You can hear me getting stupider and making.
[60:48]
Big Cat
Are you saying money lines? Because that's all that matters. The NFL doesn't make sense because if the Chiefs win by 10, it's not.
[60:53]
Hank
Like Raiders money line.
[60:56]
Memes
Wow.
[60:56]
Big Cat
Wow. This also will be our definitive. Is Shadour Sanders tweeting after Raiders loss or is he tweeting after going to church? Because this game's on a Friday, so we'll find out.
[61:08]
Hank
Well, he preemptively did it last week.
[61:09]
Big Cat
Yeah, so we'll find out. All right, let's do our picks. Then we'll do Hot Seat, Cool Throne and get to Fred Smoot. Who's up first.
[61:17]
Memes
This shouldn't count as no snake, but.
[61:19]
Big Cat
This actually counts more because there's less to choose from. I guess you want it to not count who's up first. It would be pft. So I'm fine with it not counting. What do you want to do?
[61:30]
Hank
We count it every year, don't we?
[61:31]
Big Cat
No, no, I'm. He's saying it shouldn't. You should get to go first this time and.
[61:37]
Memes
No, I guess you're right.
[61:37]
Big Cat
You're right.
[61:38]
PFT Commenter
Pft.
[61:38]
Memes
Should just go first.
[61:39]
Big Cat
I mean, there's. He. There's only four games, so he. It is a benefit to go first here. Yeah.
[61:44]
Hank
Okay. I'm going to take the Lions.
[61:47]
Big Cat
Okay.
[61:47]
Hank
Until further notice.
[61:48]
Big Cat
How do you not take the Raiders after this? After that whole speech?
[61:51]
Hank
Because I'm taking the money line.
[61:52]
Big Cat
That's crazy. Lines minus 10. Take the Raiders plus 13 if you're gonna.
[61:56]
Memes
You're taking the money line, but you don't want to play. 13 points.
[61:59]
Hank
I'm getting. I'm diversifying. I'm diversifying my legal.
[62:02]
Big Cat
You have to take the Raiders. You just gave us the speech.
[62:05]
Hank
How can I not diversify my. I'm going to bet the Raiders money line on my own. But, Hank, Hank, we're a national football podcast. I would.
[62:13]
Big Cat
National sports podcast.
[62:14]
Hank
National podcast. I would feel irresponsible giving out a pick like that to the listeners that tail us every weekend and live and die with our bets. And if you do that, you're an idiot, by the way, because we're awful at gaming.
[62:26]
Big Cat
But it's 13 points.
[62:27]
Memes
Wait, what do you mean you'd feel terrible?
[62:29]
Hank
I don't want to endorse that publicly and tell people like, hey, you just did.
[62:34]
Big Cat
Yeah, you did.
[62:35]
Hank
I'm not. I'm taking the lines until you're betting the money line.
[62:37]
Memes
But you're not. You don't feel confident giving them 13 points.
[62:41]
Hank
Correct.
[62:42]
Memes
But you feel confident them winning.
[62:43]
Hank
I don't feel confident them winning. I am going to do it because I want the rush of being right about something.
[62:49]
Big Cat
Okay. But that doesn't. You're. You're playing both sides.
[62:54]
Hank
Yes.
[62:54]
Big Cat
You want to. You want the rush of being right about something. You're not making your official pick. So then if the Chiefs kill him.
[63:01]
Hank
Yep.
[63:01]
Big Cat
You can be like, oh, I never said that.
[63:03]
Hank
No. Yeah.
[63:04]
Big Cat
Okay.
[63:05]
Hank
I don't. I don't want there to be any consequences to being wrong.
[63:08]
Big Cat
Okay.
[63:08]
Hank
How is. How is that a new phenomenon on this podcast?
[63:10]
Big Cat
So you're doing a free bet.
[63:11]
Hank
I'm doing free bet.
[63:12]
Big Cat
Free roll on the Raiders audio. Free bet.
[63:15]
Hank
But I'm taking. I'm taking the Lions until further notice.
[63:18]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right. I'll take the. Over in. Bears Lions over 48 and a half.
[63:23]
Memes
I will take the under in Dolphins, packers under 47.
[63:28]
Big Cat
Good pick, Hank.
[63:29]
Memes
Thank you.
[63:29]
Big Cat
I'm taking the over. And Giants Cowboys 37 and a half.
[63:35]
Memes
Although I did that last week, I was like, Tommy DeVito can't score. And the Bucks almost did it on their own.
[63:40]
Big Cat
Yeah, but.
[63:41]
Memes
But it didn't hit Cooper Rush. Yeah.
[63:43]
Big Cat
Can't score.
[63:44]
Memes
Yeah.
[63:45]
Big Cat
So you're right, Max.
[63:46]
Memes
But it was more of a. It was more of a sweat that I was expecting.
[63:49]
Max
Max, I disagree with PFD. I will be taking the Chiefs minus 12 and a half.
[63:54]
Big Cat
Oh, okay.
[63:55]
Hank
I was actually going to take the Chiefs if it came back.
[64:00]
Big Cat
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[65:00]
Memes
Hank, my hot seat is me. Just unfortunate timing. Celtics are in town for the NBA cup game against the Chicago Bulls. And it's this Friday, one of the only weeks we're out of town.
[65:13]
Hank
Damn. So you're gonna miss coach.
[65:15]
Memes
Gonna miss coach.
[65:15]
Big Cat
You're not gonna be with coach?
[65:16]
Memes
Not gonna. Not gonna see coach. He will be back in December.
[65:19]
Hank
Do you expect a text from coach? Just to let you know, hey, I'm in town.
[65:22]
Memes
No, no, he's probably busy. He's probably game planning. I don't think he's. He doesn't need recommendations. I'm sure he's just kind of like a hotel prep Maybe go do some Jiu jitsu.
[65:30]
Hank
Gonna leave something for him at the hotel maybe.
[65:33]
Memes
Yeah. I gotta find out where they're staying. But yeah, NBA Cup. It means more sad I don't get to see the. The court in person. Just unfortunate scheduling. I would like to talk to the schedule makers next year.
[65:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. Make sure they get that.
[65:47]
Hank
How are we doing with our bets on the NBA Cup?
[65:51]
Big Cat
Good question. I think you and I are both five and one.
[65:53]
Hank
Oh, wow.
[65:54]
Big Cat
So we'll put out our. If you're listening to this reminder, every Tuesday we put out all of our bets in on all of our socials. PFD and I think are five and one. This is. We're playing for a free bet. $10,000 free bet. I think pretty cool. So NBA Cup. I love. I love the NBA cup. And I am actually a believer in the. In the, in the courts.
[66:14]
Hank
I like them.
[66:14]
Big Cat
I do too.
[66:15]
Memes
Have you seen the red ones?
[66:16]
Hank
Yeah, I know different.
[66:17]
Big Cat
You can't really see. I just like something different because otherwise the NBA cup was stupid. In my mind. I'm, I'm. I'm. I'm totally a sucker. Admitted sucker.
[66:26]
Hank
They're doing Color Rush.
[66:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[66:28]
Memes
I just like to be able to see the basketball.
[66:30]
Big Cat
Nah, that's overrated.
[66:32]
Hank
Yeah.
[66:33]
Big Cat
Okay, cool.
[66:35]
Memes
My cool throne is business.
[66:37]
Hank
Oh yeah. He was my cool throne as well.
[66:39]
Memes
Paul Bisonette lose. Pft.
[66:43]
Hank
Or you went first.
[66:45]
Memes
Yeah, you should have tried to go first. He. A report came out that he got in a. In a fight in a restaurant. And then when the details of the report came out, he's just, just like. He's like. He's like two men in one. Like, he's. He's so much more manly than. Than anyone. I can even like all of us combine aren't equivalent to the man that biz is. He basically, he was at a restaurant that he goes to a lot, sitting by himself, saw a bunch of like group of eight drunk golfers gone out of their mind trying to order a drink. And the bartender told him no, like you can't drink in this area. They were getting mouthy. And he just stepped in to try and diffuse the situation and they just started fighting him. Eight on one. And he.
[67:25]
Hank
They were getting physical with the, with the manager. Yeah, the guy was assaulting the manager. And, and Paul is like a superhero.
[67:33]
Big Cat
Yeah, he.
[67:33]
Hank
He got up, he's like. I saw that they were unequipped to kind of handle themselves. There were smaller guys, so nobody's sticking up for these guys. So I said, you know what? I'm going to tell these guys where to stick it. And then he got up in the dude's face, was like, stop assaulting the waitstaff or we're going to go outside. And then one of the dudes punched him from the side.
[67:49]
Big Cat
He got booted a couple times.
[67:50]
Hank
Got boot outside the city.
[67:52]
Big Cat
Got back up. Up. I'm sure he fucked these guys up a little bit. Yeah. Seven guys.
[67:57]
Hank
He said that he dropped one of the guys. Yeah. When he got bum rushed outside.
[68:01]
Big Cat
I can't wait to see the cctv.
[68:03]
Hank
And he wants. He wants the guy's names. He wants to take. I think the way he put it was like, I want all their names. I want to take them all out behind the barn. One on one.
[68:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[68:10]
Hank
Which is awesome.
[68:11]
Memes
And he dropped all the charges. If he could just take these guys one on one.
[68:15]
Big Cat
Yeah. Rough and rowdy.
[68:16]
Hank
He looks great too. I mean, obviously they really, really fucked his nose up pretty badly.
[68:20]
Big Cat
Yeah. He's going to probably need a surgery. Surgery.
[68:21]
Hank
But besides that he. Not a scratch on his face.
[68:24]
Big Cat
What did he say? Can you play the start of the video real quick? He biz is the best. We love biz. And he's just. I mean, he is just so manly. The fact that seven guys. I would just get. I just get knocked. I'd probably die. Yeah.
[68:36]
Memes
He's like, he. There's a strategy too. He's like, you know, you can't stay still. You got to keep moving backwards because you know, if they get you on the ground, then you get fucking. What was he calling?
[68:43]
Big Cat
Boot.
[68:44]
Memes
Boot.
[68:44]
Hank
I got Boot fucked in the CVS parking lot.
[68:47]
Big Cat
Boot fucked.
[68:48]
Hank
What do you.
[68:48]
Big Cat
What do you say? Started again. Start the video. What's up, gang? I just wanted to pop by because the news is out there and I'm getting a lot of texts and calls. Love you guys. Thank you guys all for reaching out and checking.
[69:00]
Memes
Gave a bunch.
[69:00]
Big Cat
Yeah, I just want to kind of address what happened.
[69:02]
Hank
I think it's took some. Gave more.
[69:04]
Big Cat
So you hear it from my mouth. I don't know what's kind of. I know there's a few articles that came out and news is floating around, but long of the gist of it and I addressed the whole thing and talk way more in detail on tomorrow podcast. Like, it just so happens this happened last night. Today was a recording day and to be quite frank, it was kind of nice to hop on with the boys.
[69:25]
Fred Smoot
And just have some laughs and.
[69:27]
Big Cat
And what do you say about it for four hours? So he said, go to dinner at this place Called Houston's. I go there like three, four times a week. Some of the finest venues and just like, good people, and I love going there. Oh, I thought he said it was a family joint or something.
[69:42]
Hank
No, he kept saying family restaurant. Oh, yeah.
[69:44]
Big Cat
I mean, it's.
[69:45]
Hank
It is a chain family restaurant. Yeah, it was a family restaurant. I actually listened to Spitting Chiclets this morning to hear the full story from. From Biz. And, yeah, he's like, it's a great restaurant. Very militaristic.
[69:57]
Big Cat
He's the best. I love him so much.
[69:59]
Memes
Yeah, he was like, it's an awesome restaurant. It's like. It's like a military. It's like a military.
[70:05]
Hank
It's like going to eat at the military. Pretty much.
[70:07]
Big Cat
What does that mean?
[70:09]
Hank
So he wants the guy's name.
[70:10]
Big Cat
I want the guy's name.
[70:11]
Hank
I'm tracking down their names right now. I'm. I'm trying to get the names to Biz, and I can't wait to see what he does.
[70:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[70:19]
Hank
Because, I mean, Biz is. This is the ultimate good guy move that he pulled. And it's dangerous what he ended up going through. Like, if you. If you fight seven guys at once and you get knocked on the ground and they start kicking your head, like, that's some dangerous.
[70:31]
Big Cat
He's a badass.
[70:32]
Memes
Imagine blacking out in Scottsdale with your boys. I mean, I guess we would never be in situations where you just fight a random guy, but no, these guys got in a fight, blackout drunk, woke up in jail, and then it was like, yeah, the guy you got in a fight with is Biz.
[70:46]
Big Cat
He's asking for your name one on one with you.
[70:49]
Memes
He has a national podcast.
[70:51]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[70:52]
Memes
Global podcast, because he's Canadian. So he's. He's a worldwide podcast. International podcast. And he's coming for your neck. Like, this is just the beginning.
[71:02]
Big Cat
He is just the one guy. Like, if you're like, hey, someone at barstool got jumped and he was fine and now wants to fight him all. So, yeah, Biz.
[71:08]
Hank
Yeah.
[71:09]
Big Cat
And also somehow, like, just the way he explains things. I mean, I. It's why they're spitting. Chick was so popular. Like, wit and Biz, just the way they talk, I could just listen to forever. Yeah, him. Yeah. Explaining the whole thing. What is. What was the mellow. What do you say the restaurant was?
[71:26]
Hank
It's a very militaristic restaurant.
[71:28]
Big Cat
Militaristic organization. Yeah. Great organization.
[71:32]
Hank
His. Great guy. All time dude. I can't wait to see what he does once he finds out Who? This. This is the start of his John Wick story. Yeah, like John Wick's.
[71:40]
Big Cat
Imagine Rough and rowdy. Just a tournament. One right after one, right after the other.
[71:44]
Memes
They should have to do it on the ice.
[71:45]
Big Cat
Yeah. Knocks him out.
[71:46]
Hank
Yeah, you want one.
[71:48]
Memes
Rough and rowdy on skates, you know?
[71:49]
Hank
So one thing that Hank conveniently omitted from his story. These are a bunch of golfers.
[71:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[71:54]
Hank
A bunch of golf courses. He did say, okay, all right.
[72:02]
Big Cat
A little. Turn it down a little.
[72:05]
Hank
Going through everything Hank says with a.
[72:06]
Big Cat
Fine a little bit.
[72:07]
Memes
Just not actually a little. You're just choosing narratives and then just spitting them out there.
[72:12]
Big Cat
All right. Your hot seat. Cool throne. That was your cool throne. So what was your hot seat?
[72:16]
Hank
My hot seat is Drake.
[72:17]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. Explain this to me.
[72:19]
Hank
So Drake's on the hot seat. You're probably gonna screw this up, Drake.
[72:21]
Memes
Yeah, I had this on my hot seat, and I. I didn't want to.
[72:23]
Big Cat
I don't.
[72:24]
Memes
It was too complicated. Too many conspiracies.
[72:27]
Big Cat
I read.
[72:28]
Hank
I read a few headlines, and then I just saw people talking about it online. So this is what I believe happened. Drake is suing his own record label.
[72:38]
Memes
Yep. Umg.
[72:39]
Hank
Because he's claiming that they artificially inflated the stats on Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us diss track, which was. It's the track that ended the battle this summer. Just absolutely destroyed him. The one certified pedophile. Yeah, that one. So Drake is suing his own record label because he's claiming that there were, like, bot views that gave him, like, millions of views and downloads and listens on his song, and he's saying that ended up being bad for his career because now everyone's talked about how great this song was. He's not familiar with the Streisand effect, where. Now, first of all, if you call the cops and get, like, the courts involved because you lost a rap battle, that. That might be the worst look of all time.
[73:22]
Big Cat
Agreed.
[73:22]
Hank
And then you're only driving more attention to Kendrick Lamar.
[73:25]
Big Cat
Agreed.
[73:26]
Hank
Who I get. The only person that had a worse beef with. With Kendrick than Drake would be Father John. Misty. Did you see that story?
[73:34]
Big Cat
No. So I'm not up to date on any of these stories.
[73:37]
Hank
All right, so I think it's like the last six times Father John Misty has put an album out.
[73:41]
Big Cat
Okay?
[73:41]
Hank
Kendrick Lamar has put an album out that same day.
[73:43]
Big Cat
Oh, shit.
[73:44]
Hank
Kendrick, like, sneak drop fuck is father. You don't know Father John, Missy.
[73:47]
Big Cat
He's.
[73:47]
Hank
He's very popular. He's a singer, songwriter.
[73:49]
Big Cat
Okay?
[73:50]
Hank
But Is he.
[73:51]
Memes
Was it religious?
[73:52]
Hank
No.
[73:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. Why is his name Father John?
[73:56]
Hank
That's just kind of his name.
[73:57]
Big Cat
Okay.
[73:58]
Hank
But no, he's very popular. So for the last, I think, six albums that he put out, Kendrick put out an album on the same day, just completely stealing all the shine. And then last Friday, Father John, Missy had an album coming out, and then Kendrick, like, very sneakily dropped one that nobody saw coming. Like, a couple hours after Father John, Misty had, like, a little bit of time to be like, finally, I got away from Kendrick, and he's just on a. Kendrick is going to put it out again. But, yeah, I think I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is a bad strategic move on Drake's part.
[74:28]
Big Cat
Yeah, I'd agree.
[74:29]
Memes
I don't know. I think that's where I get. I was trying to get in the weeds, and then I was like, this is. But the more I looked into it, the more I think Drake might like, he's not going after Kendrick. He's going after the label. The UMG tried to say, like, you're not mad at us. You should be suing Kendrick Lamar. And he's like, no, I'm coming at you in the closet that they're not trying to.
[74:48]
Big Cat
The headline of Drake suing based on, like.
[74:52]
Memes
But I think Drake knows that, and he's like, I'm going to. I'm going to. People are going to, you know, say I'm being a pussy and, like, I'm. I'm a sore loser, but this is for the greater good, and I'm coming at the label.
[75:02]
Big Cat
Right. But I'm. I'm stupid. I don't understand any of this. All I saw was Drake suing in relation to beef with Kendrick Lamar, and I ended my judgment of the whole thing right there.
[75:13]
Hank
Yeah, he's calling.
[75:14]
Big Cat
Like, damn. He called. He called the cops on Kendrick.
[75:16]
Hank
He called the cops because he got beat in a rap battle. Too bad.
[75:19]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's what I'm explaining. All right, my hot seat is anyone who's trying to go after John Fanta on Twitter. Spaces. If. I don't know if you guys saw this last night, but Fanta, a. I think it was a Cincinnati fan was mad at Fanta for his bias for Xavier over Cincinnati.
[75:39]
Hank
Well, if you look over the course of the last several seasons.
[75:41]
Big Cat
Correct.
[75:42]
Hank
John Fanta has been saying that Xavier is a better basketball program than Cincinnati.
[75:46]
Big Cat
But it happened on the court. Yeah. All right, play it real quick. This is Phantom in all his glory.
[75:50]
Max
Adam, go.
[75:52]
Big Cat
Hey, John.
[75:53]
Max
Thanks. Just following up on the cross down shootout, how bad did it hurt to finally rank Cincinnati ahead of your buddy Sean Miller this week?
[76:01]
Big Cat
This guy sucks. Didn't hurt me one bit. Adam. I, I do my. I do my job. Cincinnati is better than Xavier right now.
[76:10]
Fred Smoot
You've had, You've had Xavier ranked ahead.
[76:12]
Max
Of him all season until this week. I just, I figured it had to hurt.
[76:15]
Big Cat
I know your buddies with Sean.
[76:16]
Max
I mean, just, you know, I got.
[76:18]
Big Cat
A job to do, Adam.
[76:20]
Max
So, Adam, you call me up.
[76:22]
Big Cat
This is where he's over. And you want to. You want to tell me it must.
[76:25]
Max
Hurt me to rank somebody against.
[76:28]
Big Cat
Over somebody else.
[76:30]
Max
I've seen the media bias in Xavier's favor for the last several years, and now, yeah, they've been a better program. They kicked Cincinnati's butt. They've been a better program by a wide margin, frankly. Cincinnati, we've been waiting for this version of Cincinnati. Cincinnati's been their butts. If they can't. You're using the past couple of years.
[76:49]
Big Cat
No, no, no, no, no.
[76:50]
Max
You're using the past couple years. That's your argument.
[76:53]
Big Cat
Xavier's been better than Cincinnati in every fence.
[76:56]
Max
If there's a media bias, I go off score. The scores of the game were Xavier over Cincinnati.
[77:02]
Big Cat
Want to add?
[77:03]
Max
Tell me about how I feel about stuff. I don't lose sleep over where I rank a team. I lose sleep over whether I took.
[77:10]
Big Cat
The trash out on time, whether I.
[77:12]
Max
Picked up the right groceries for my wife, if I'm taking care of her right now.
[77:16]
PFT Commenter
And the Cleveland Browns.
[77:18]
Max
I didn't lose any sleep over them, Adam, but I might lose sleep because of you.
[77:22]
PFT Commenter
Happy Thanksgiving.
[77:23]
Fred Smoot
Happy Thanksgiving, Johnny Go Browns.
[77:27]
Max
No, you don't get to salvage the call.
[77:29]
Big Cat
That's my favorite. I want to make that shirt. All right, so you don't get to salvage the call.
[77:34]
Hank
So Fanta is. He's given off strong, strong lawyer vibes. If I ever get arrested for anything, yeah, I want John Fanta representing me in court. Bring that same passion. He sounds like Matlock.
[77:46]
Big Cat
He's the best. He's just the best. He just brings it to the people. He's ready to get in the mix with the people. You don't get to salvage a call John Fanta. And then my cool throne is our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale. So we will have. We have new people been asking the new pardon might take hats. You can see if you're watching us on video. We have new Stella blue merch. We also have new Stell Blue coffee coming on Thursday night. Friday it is single blend. 100 Colombian. Very, very. I just had a cup of it. Very, very good. So we have hats, we have PMT shirts. We have everything. So go support us. Store.barstoolsports.com we appreciate everyone who buys everything. These hats are awesome.
[78:29]
Hank
They are. They're awesome. I'm going to give the camera the wrist face real quick.
[78:32]
Big Cat
This hat is my favorite. This one is the best. It's just a football. And by the way, this is just showing how long we've been doing this. I think we're officially at the point where an established is cool. So the hat says established 2016. You can't like cell blues. Established 2022. You can. We probably need a couple more years. Establish 2016 is like, that's a while. That's cool because you know you can't do that on a hat. Like after a year.
[79:01]
Hank
Yeah.
[79:01]
Memes
Like if you're an ogawl, it's like cool to wear. Like, oh, it's 2016. Yeah. I've been listening since 2016.
[79:06]
Big Cat
Yeah. It's a long ass time. Although I do, I like the 2022, but I still need. We still need a few more years for snow Blue. Okay.
[79:13]
Memes
Black Friday games are great.
[79:14]
Big Cat
All right, let's get to our interview. We got Fred Smoot in studio and then we will do our weekend preview and then we'll do Kirk Cousins before.
[79:21]
Hank
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[81:29]
Big Cat
Okay. We now welcome on recurring guest one of the greatest talkers we've ever been around in studio. It is the man, the myth legend, Fred Smoot. Fred.
[81:39]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[81:39]
Big Cat
Welcome into the studio. Welcome into the office.
[81:43]
PFT Commenter
Thank you for having me, fellas. It's good to be around a whole building of talkers. So now you don't feel like an outsider? Like you want to talk about inclusion. This is inclusion at his finest.
[81:53]
Big Cat
Yeah. And no one could talk like you. So let's talk some ball. I mean, you. Are you watching every game? Are you still tuned into every game? Are you still like, man, why haven't you coached, by the way?
[82:04]
PFT Commenter
No, I ain't going to do it.
[82:05]
Big Cat
Why?
[82:06]
PFT Commenter
I was. I was blessed with the gift of Gail.
[82:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[82:09]
PFT Commenter
And guess what? I do go help. I help my sons. I help his friends. I train them. Sometime coaching is a lot of damn time. Like, you gotta realize Coach Gibbs, I remember when he asked. A lot of people don't understand this. I actually kind of springboard Coach Gibbs to coming back to football.
[82:26]
Big Cat
Okay.
[82:27]
PFT Commenter
I was actually driving home after the season after Coach Spurrier quit on us. When coach Spur, you quit the people. ESPN say, hey, come, come do an interview right quick. And I'm just talking, you know, outside of my head. And the last question they Asked me, well, who gonna be y'all, coach? And I was like, the only person could save us is Coach Gibbs. He happened to be at watching ESPN at that time with his wife. The only thing coach said he didn't want to do was ask his wife, can he go coach again? Because it's just so much time.
[82:53]
Big Cat
Right.
[82:53]
PFT Commenter
And she looked him in the face, said, you do want to go coach again? He was like, yeah, I do. Two days later, he was out here. Coach.
[82:58]
Big Cat
Wow.
[82:59]
Hank
Thank you.
[82:59]
PFT Commenter
That's how it happened. So I could watch Coach Gibbs come in there on a Monday. He don't actually get to see Mitch Gibbs to a Thursday night off. Friday, he spends the night there.
[83:11]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[83:11]
PFT Commenter
And all the coaches I watching, my friends, they're doing coaching now. I was like, man, can I give football that much more of my life? Yeah, no, I rather talk it. I enjoy talking it because I can get in and out of there. I can do my studying beforehand, and I can spew it out, and I can get going back to my life.
[83:28]
Hank
I love it. Yeah, you are very good at. Could anybody talk shit with you? Like, was there a receiver that you'd.
[83:32]
PFT Commenter
Be matched up with that would classmates like, if you look at My class, the 2001 class, I want y'all to go back through this class draft pick for draft pick. We might have the most dense class in each position. Quarterbacks Michael Vick, Drew Brees, running backs Ledanian Thompson. Like, I can just go on with the running back. We had tons of running back, wide receiver. One of the best talkers of all time, Chad Johnson. Like, Steve Smith. Like, that ain't even getting into the Santana Mosses, the Resi Waynes, and I'm getting into all them guys. Then we got the Richard Seymours. We got. We got guys at every position you can think of. It ain't a position we didn't have in that 2001 draft. That 2001 draft, when it's all said and done, we might have 10 yellow jackets in that draft.
[84:16]
Hank
Wow. So I'm looking at the list pretty good. But was there something like, Chad was a guy on the field, he could.
[84:21]
PFT Commenter
Give it back to me. Chad and Steve Smith was all in junior college at the same time with Dion Branch, Javon Walker, all us in junior college at the same time. So we yapping at each other before we even own on Saturdays. Once we get into the Saturday part up, we yapping. Then the league comes, and all this kind of transform into who we are.
[84:39]
Big Cat
So the junior college thing, I feel like I'VE never really dove into it, but what was the decision to go to junior college? Was it like you didn't have any offers? And then how, how does it work where you're in junior college and are there guys that are like, hey, these guys are going somewhere else? And then you're playing with guys who are like, hey, this is the limit. How does that all work?
[84:57]
PFT Commenter
Well, to me is I had the academics, I had everything. But I was about 165 pounds, I was skinny and, and I did not. All my, all my college, they recruited me. They, of course they smart. They want me the red shirt. They want me to put on some pounds. They want to protect me. And I'm like, no, I want to play football like Fred Smoot. Just sitting on somebody campus being a regular student ain't going to work for me. I need to play football. So luckily I had one of the best junior colleges in America down the street from me, Heinz Junior College. By the time I make it there, Grady Jackson, Michael Myers, all these guys leaving, they on a two peat. I come there, we three peat national champions, we whooping everybody around the nation. So I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go here, win me a couple of championships, then I'm going Division 1. Because I do not want to stop playing football. I want to get better game in and game out. And a lot of my draft class, we was all in junior college together. So that's what the big thing about junior college. It gives you a chance to do what the other guys can't do. That's like, because old miss wanted me to come. They were like, come on, we want you to come on camping. I like, no, no, no, no, no. Now like they say, a idol. Mine is the devil's workshop.
[86:02]
Big Cat
All right?
[86:03]
PFT Commenter
I'm like, no, Fred Smoot needs reps. I need, I need to rep. I need and I need to rep against the best. That's one thing about junior college. Ain't no age restriction. Ain't no. Yeah, you can play against some grown men.
[86:14]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[86:14]
PFT Commenter
All right, so it's a whole different. The belly of the beast. So I enjoyed junior college because he taught me less.
[86:20]
Big Cat
So you're there for two years.
[86:21]
PFT Commenter
Well, a year and a half.
[86:22]
Big Cat
Two years, year and a half. So. But, but when you're playing junior college, you're obviously always thinking like, hey, the next step is I want to go to Division 1. And so after you do a year and a half in division college.
[86:32]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[86:32]
Big Cat
Were the offers flooding in or was.
[86:34]
PFT Commenter
It, oh, yeah, they Were flooding. They were flooding in when I was coming out of school.
[86:37]
Big Cat
Right.
[86:37]
PFT Commenter
They just all wanted the same thing for me.
[86:40]
Big Cat
Right.
[86:40]
PFT Commenter
And that's not to play football.
[86:41]
Big Cat
Right.
[86:42]
PFT Commenter
And I wasn't willing to do that. So now when I. My second chance to get recruited, now I'm getting recruited. I'm the number one defensive back in junior college. So now I'm getting recruited by everybody like I was when I came out. But now they want me to play.
[86:53]
Big Cat
That's awesome.
[86:54]
PFT Commenter
And luckily, my coach, Jackie Sherrill, one of the greatest college coaches of all time, baby, he recruited, like seven of us from junior college. We were the top at our positions. We came to Mississippi State, and for the next two years, we had the number one defense in college football, giving up, I think, nine points a game.
[87:11]
Big Cat
Right.
[87:11]
PFT Commenter
So he understood I need to go get players that's ready to play now, because the worst thing could happen to you at junior college is sitting. Because we play on Fridays. I'm watching football all Saturday. All I do is watch sec, so I'm watching Champ Bailey. I'm watching everybody, and I'm like, I can play with these guys.
[87:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[87:27]
PFT Commenter
So you itching to get to play with these guys. And, you know, you don't have the time that they got. So once you get there as a junior, like, ain't no. Ain't no sitting, no bench. You got to be ready to play now, right away.
[87:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[87:39]
Hank
Did you think about leaving the state or was it always, you're going to stay in Mississippi?
[87:42]
PFT Commenter
Oh, no, I was thinking about leaving the state. I almost went to Indiana with Randall. Randall and his brother was at Indiana with coach Cam, and he was going to let me play both ways, wide receiver and cornerback. I almost went to West Virginia. They literally had seven pros on their team, so I was taking trips. At first, I was only taking SEC trip because, you know, it's SEC against the world where I'm from Mississippi. But then after I say I get recruited again, I say I'm going to do what I didn't do the first time, and I'm going to give other divisions a chance to recruit me. And that's what I did. I got to go see some great schools. And by the way, I really love Bloomington, Indiana.
[88:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[88:14]
PFT Commenter
The times that I can remember, because it was a blur for the whole weekend. It was great in Bloomington.
[88:18]
Big Cat
Wait, so you. You. At what point did you decide you're not going to play both ways? Because we've talked about it, obviously, all this year. Travis Hunter playing both ways. Yeah. It's insane. Like I. I don't think people understand how hard it is to never come off the field.
[88:31]
PFT Commenter
It's hard, especially at the rate he's doing it.
[88:33]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[88:33]
PFT Commenter
Usually I was going to do it similar to champs like I got to play offense at Mississippi State.
[88:38]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[88:39]
PFT Commenter
But it's. It's trick play.
[88:40]
Big Cat
It's a package.
[88:41]
PFT Commenter
It's a package. It's not you are a wide receiver and you are full time corner. Because it's just. Usually it's just too accent too much. Not too much when it comes to being in shape, but too much mentally. Like imagine this guy has. He had to take that whole defensive playbook then come around and remember the whole offensive playbook. That's a lot. Luckily he's been a part of coach Prime's team since he was a freshman. It makes his crossover to that very easy. But I think what it takes on the body, the toe, what it takes on you mentally, most guys can't do it. And I think when he gets drafted travel, they would draft him as a corner.
[89:17]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[89:17]
PFT Commenter
And they would spot play him as a wide receiver because if he gets on a pro team, he could legitly be your best corner. But he's probably gonna be your third best receiver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's gonna be different.
[89:29]
Big Cat
Similar thing like where they have different packages.
[89:31]
Fred Smoot
Yeah.
[89:31]
PFT Commenter
They have a package for you or two. I could see that happening. But also I could see a team saying no because he. He's skinny like me.
[89:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[89:39]
PFT Commenter
Like when we like pro in college. Two different things.
[89:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[89:43]
PFT Commenter
I don't know if he could take that 17 game pro. Happen to check receivers that 6, 5, 230 pounds and then turn around and catch on DBs like Jalen Ramsey. I don't know if you can do that.
[89:57]
Hank
You also don't want him going across the middle. Well, like taking big hits.
[90:00]
PFT Commenter
Well, the thing about it is I can't put you in and don't do stuff like if I put you at wide receiver. You can't have limitations. We're going to play because if not us at the cornerback position, we're going to know he ain't going across the middle. I'm just going to play him outside. I'm gonna pick the ball off. It's simple mail.
[90:14]
Hank
It's gotta be nice for a cornerback to play wide receiver every now and again because then you get those flags occasionally.
[90:19]
Big Cat
Right.
[90:20]
Hank
Like every time you touch a wide receiver. I feel like cornerback is the hardest position to play.
[90:24]
PFT Commenter
It gives you permission to be a diva.
[90:26]
Hank
Yeah.
[90:27]
PFT Commenter
You get to play a little wide receiver. You could do a little crying. You can go over there and say, it ain't. It ain't fair what you're doing right there. And, like, the one thing about receiver, it's turned into that it. Position. Like every kid on the playground now wants to be a receiver. Back when I was coming up, Deion was so hot, all us ex receivers, we wanted to be a cornerback. The cornerback was the glamour position, but because of college and the Nil and Jamar Chase and all these type of players, it's back to the wide receiver position. Is that it? Position that everybody wants to play.
[91:00]
Hank
Is it true that a cornerback is a wide receiver that can't catch? And that's why you got.
[91:03]
PFT Commenter
Hey, listen, man. Like they always say, man, a grasshopper tell a lie to a horse. If you let. They always say that.
[91:10]
Big Cat
They do.
[91:11]
PFT Commenter
They do in Mississippi. Receive. I mean, DBs can catch. Because think about it. What's harder to catch a ball that's meant for you. A ball that's not meant for you. So for me to go steal this ball, I gotta anticipate jump in front, catch a ball that don't belong to me, steal this ball. That's the one thing about a cornerback. A cornerback is somebody that you don't take to church with you. We're taught to lie. Lie. This is how we lie to ourselves. You can beat me for 80 yards, I still turn around and tell you, oh, I'm so I'm lying to myself. I have to lie to myself. We talk to cheap. I gotta stop you by any means necessary. Sometime I hold you Sometimes I won't hold you Sometime I do this, I do that. And we paid to steal. The more we steal, the more rich I am.
[91:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[91:58]
PFT Commenter
So everything that you do as a cornerback, it's kind of got this. This bad boy connotation to it.
[92:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[92:05]
PFT Commenter
So you have to mentally be strong to play that position.
[92:07]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[92:07]
Hank
Did you ever do the trick where you'd find out what color jersey your opponent was going to wear?
[92:11]
PFT Commenter
And I'm gonna wear gloves.
[92:12]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[92:12]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. So if they wear white jersey, I'm gonna wear white gloves. They wear black jerseys. I'm aware. Black gloves, yes. So when I'm holding them, you'll never know it. See, that's them OG tricks. You be in the league five, six years before you start to do stuff like that. Luckily, when I came into my meeting room. Imagine walking into this meeting room as a rookie. I get drafted. Martin Schottenheim would drive me to The Commanders, Washington. It was Redskins at the time. I walk into the meeting room, Deion Sanders sitting in there. Dale Green sitting in there. Champ Bailey sitting in there. Mark Carrier sitting in there. Sam Shay sitting in there. I walk right out like, why did you draft me? Like, boy, go on back in there and learn from them dudes. I had so much. Like, when I say I had just a brain trust.
[92:53]
Hank
Yeah. That's probably the best defensive back room of all time.
[92:55]
PFT Commenter
Of all time. Of all time. Nobody could compare to that defense. Come on. I just named three Yellow Jackets. Yeah, I just named three Yellow Jackets. And people with AGA over these. Who the best? It's crazy what I walked into.
[93:09]
Big Cat
Yeah. Now, you are such a good talker. Fast talker as well. Were you ever. Did you ever have a moment where you're talking shit on the field and you were talking too fast and the guy was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, Fred.
[93:19]
PFT Commenter
Oh, lots of times. I think it's the fast talking plus the Southern. The Southern talking. So sometime it could come off as Charlie brownish. Especially if I'm, like, really emotional about this, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I done had Reggie Wayne. Just look at me and say what you like. I hope that wasn't supposed to get to me. Cause I haven't understood nothing you said the last six plays. And I'd be like, all right, I'll tell you when you get back out here. See, I was one of those talkers. I wouldn't just talk when the play was going on. I mean, one going on, they'll like the snap of the ball, jam the guy. Now I'm running up the sideline. I'm talking to him as we run. Like, that's my whole thing. And I'm really just trying to get you to fall focus on me.
[94:02]
Big Cat
Right.
[94:02]
PFT Commenter
That's how I won so many battles. It wasn't because I was the better player. It's because mentally I had you thinking about me instead of doing your damn job.
[94:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[94:09]
PFT Commenter
So that's where I win these mental battles at. And don't let you mess up one time now. It's been an avalanche.
[94:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[94:15]
PFT Commenter
Because you are who I thought you were. I told you to wear pants out here with pockets in them so you can put your hands in them. You need that. All right. To make it with me today, like, so I would just drill it on. And if I start before the game. During the game.
[94:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[94:29]
PFT Commenter
And after the game, we ain't lose a drop yeah. Now they think you crazy.
[94:33]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[94:33]
PFT Commenter
Like, yeah, that ain't like, man, I'm not dealing with you.
[94:35]
Big Cat
Were there any wide receivers that were great shit talkers back? They're like, oh, shit, Game on.
[94:40]
PFT Commenter
Me and Chad, me and Plex, me and Steve Smith. Plex Coden had some. I don't think people understand how big Plex is. Yeah, Plex is basically a power forward in basketball. In the league, he's huge. All right. So battles with him, and a lot of people don't. Joey Galloway was a beast, especially when he was at the Cowboys, Terry Glenn, those guys. So I had, Ooh, fast Freddie Mitchell, who came out with me. And Freddie Mitchell is a idiot.
[95:08]
Big Cat
Fred X. Yeah.
[95:11]
PFT Commenter
Freddie Mitchell. Let me tell you something, class one. Another one of my classmates, Freddie would go four chords. We was rarely up on them because them the Donovan McNabb years with Andy Reid. So they was. They was in they bag. They was winning. We'll be down like 15. It'd be like two minutes left in the game. Freddie would come across the middle, catch like a nine yard ball, and this is only catch of the game. And he would just get up and just. Fast Freddy this style. Like, just be quiet, dude. What are you doing? Like, if the game is over with, you're not part of the offense. What are you. Every chance I get, Fred, they gonna feel me. And that's every pro athlete. Like, that's why y'all see a five yard catching, a wide receiver, get up and give you the first. Like, it's hard to get those things to happen. So I understand why people celebrate them.
[96:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[96:02]
Hank
Who's one guy in the. In the league right now that you would like to match up against? You look like you could still play, by the way.
[96:07]
PFT Commenter
Oh, don't let me fool you. One thing, listen, this old truck right here got a good paint job and a bad motor.
[96:13]
Fred Smoot
All right?
[96:13]
Big Cat
That happened.
[96:15]
PFT Commenter
But I would love to play against a lot of these dudes. I love to play against Ceedee Lamb. I love to play against the ones that come off as arrogant. Them, the ones I want, the quiet ones. You won't see me come at them at all. Like a Devontae Smith that barely says something. Just goes out there and burn you and go home and watch TV. I'm not gonna really say nothing to him. But A.J. brown. Yeah, but see, A.J. brown is from Starkville. That's where Mississippi stayed at. That's why him and Forbes got this thing going on. Cause he went to Ole Miss. I played against dk, Metcalf Daddy. Terrence Metcalf, he came out of my class with me. Yeah, Me, him, Deuce Metallister. Like our all star team in Mississippi. We played the all star team from Alabama, high schoolers. We had 11 pros on our team from me, Deuce McAllister, Ken Lucas met Kel. They had one pro on their team, Jamie Winborn. And they beat us.
[97:06]
Big Cat
Damn.
[97:07]
PFT Commenter
By seven points.
[97:08]
Big Cat
What happened?
[97:09]
PFT Commenter
Our quarterback, Romero Miller, threw an interception. Larry Castro ran it back. They beat us 7, 0.
[97:14]
Hank
Oh, so you did your job on defense.
[97:16]
PFT Commenter
Oh, we did our job on defense.
[97:17]
Hank
Shut them out.
[97:18]
PFT Commenter
But at the end of the day, they just showed you football. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Sometimes the best coach team will win most of the time.
[97:27]
Hank
Yeah, I would put, I mean Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, those three states right there in particular. What is it about those three states that produce so many high level football players?
[97:36]
PFT Commenter
We running from some. We're running. We know we can get out of whatever situation we is by that ball. That ball can show you the world. I remember one of my young coaches, I mean youth coaches telling me this. You want to see the world? This ball will show you the world. You do right by this ball, it'll show you the world. Then you, you built in a different way. Like when we start playing football, we start playing at four or five years old, like, and we trying to get out there with the older guy. They ain't gonna quite let you unless you like, like oddly built or something like that.
[98:04]
Hank
DK probably.
[98:05]
PFT Commenter
DK was out there. He was probably out there. He was three years old. Probably out there. You know what I'm saying? He's huge. His dad was huge. But, you know, once you earn your stripes there in Mississippi, I think you think you could play anywhere because you're just not, you're not starting as a ninth grader in Mississippi. Like it's unheard of for a guy to even have that chance to do that. Just too many greats. I think about it. This is the home of Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Brett Favre. I want to go yellow jacket for yellow jacket. Mississippi is up there, baby. We got hall of Famers from Jackie Slater, Walter Payton. I can keep going now. Like, we're there when it comes to football. And I know Texas, Florida, California, get all the love, but California, you a whole coastline. Texas, you could be your own country. Florida, come on, like, y'all huge compared to us. But if you put Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi together, we got just as many as they do. Yeah, that was one state out of Mississippi. Bama.
[98:59]
Big Cat
Yeah, that would be a great.
[99:02]
PFT Commenter
Like we would have. When it comes to sports, we would be right up there with everybody.
[99:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[99:06]
Hank
Louis Abama. Yeah, that'd be what?
[99:09]
PFT Commenter
You gotta have some Orleans in there, too, man. You gotta have some Louisiana in there.
[99:13]
Big Cat
So last time we had you on was, like, five or six years ago, Twitter got bought by Elon Musk for $44 billion. You invented Twitter.
[99:22]
PFT Commenter
I did. Nobody believes it, but I did.
[99:24]
Big Cat
Smoothsmack.com the invention of Twitter, where people could just go online and talk shit to each other.
[99:30]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[99:30]
Big Cat
When you saw $44 billion, you're like.
[99:32]
PFT Commenter
Fuck, you know what?
[99:34]
Big Cat
That would have been nice.
[99:35]
PFT Commenter
Why am I chasing this brown football when I should have been. I should have been chasing my intellect.
[99:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[99:40]
PFT Commenter
That why they say never want to be on the team. Want to be the team owner. It's a difference. But when you grow up, want to be. But I say this. We did it. And it was me and a couple of my classmates, and I was like, man, I just need an avenue to get at these guys. Cause they usually, like, try to talk trash to me after the game. That ain't good enough. I need to talk trash before the game.
[100:00]
Big Cat
Yeah. You were just basically searching for more trash talks.
[100:02]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. So we went to the Internet. We started to build it. We built it out. And I was shocked because they were starting to respond to me. Like, I knew I was going to lash it out, but when they started to respond to me, that's when I think it caught on.
[100:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[100:16]
PFT Commenter
And once it caught on, it was good. And then when I left to go to the league, you know, when you leave college behind, you leave everything behind. And I left it behind, and I should have kept it. I should have nurtured that baby. I should have grew that baby. Instead of Elon Musk app, it would have been Fred Smooth. It would have been different. All right? And I. And I would have came here and be like, oh, I like barstool. Let me buy everything.
[100:41]
Hank
Yeah, you would have. 44 billion. What would you do with $44 billion? First purchase, man.
[100:46]
PFT Commenter
You know what the thing we do? We get to see billionaire habits. Because every team is owned by a billionaire, and you get to see a couple of billionaires. And most billionaires, they. They usually go be villains and be in a yacht in the south of France. Ain't that where villains go to just live and enjoy themselves? It just. I think as a millionaire now, you can have what you want, but a billionaire, you can create what you want. It's A different thing. Like a millionaire could go visit an island. A billionaire could buy the alley. Like so it's a different dynamic to the airness of them both.
[101:22]
Hank
I feel like you'd be a man of the people as a billionaire.
[101:23]
PFT Commenter
No, I'm still gonna be who I am. I'm never gonna change that. That's why I love the Harris group and the owners. We got now the commanders, Magic Johnson. We have the most approachable Mitchell Rales, the most approachable billionaires in the game right now. You can. You wouldn't even know they billionaire. They don't even act like billionaires. And I had to ask these guys, how did all y'all become billionaires? Cause all of them from the same little spot in Maryland. Like you would think these billionaires would be spread out. But even with Dan, Dan was from Maryland. I was like, what's going on in Maryland? What are they teaching in elementary? That they not teaching in Mississippi? That you too can be a billionaire.
[102:02]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[102:03]
Hank
So staying on the commanders, we talked real quick before we sat down and started taping. You didn't want to waste anything off the air.
[102:09]
Big Cat
So.
[102:09]
Hank
Yeah, you were telling me why I should not be worried about the commanders and should not be worried about Cliff Kingsbury later on in the season.
[102:16]
PFT Commenter
You shouldn't. We just. We at the infancy. We had to start of something great. Nobody would have thought we'd been 7 and 4 right now. We got rookies that hadn't had a break since last year before their college year. For some reason, some idiots put out our bye Week at week what, 14? Yeah.
[102:35]
Hank
December Bye.
[102:36]
PFT Commenter
That's ridiculous. These guys just got their first break on a short week on a Thursday night game. You talking about Ellen bodies. You talking about hurting? You talking about testing your depth. You talking about texting your coaches, your players, Everybody physically, mentally, emotionally. That's what. That's what's going on right now. That's why you see us get to the fourth quarter and it just die.
[102:57]
Hank
Yeah.
[102:57]
PFT Commenter
I just ain't got that energy. Think about this. They ready to crown Pittsburgh Steelers, the best team on earth. They just got out of northwest state.
[103:07]
Max
Him.
[103:07]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, like they just got out of northwest state. We're one inch away from Zach Ertz. Lean in a different way. How about this? What I want to say too. I'm tired of the old referees. I want youth. Yeah, I want youth. I want my referees to be the C 400 yards and run 800 yards. All right. I'm tired of the old dirty old man. I'm tired of it. Get them out. Get them out. All right. We got to get these plays right. But Philly got out of there by the hair on a chitty chin chin. The whole state of Pennsylvania just got out of FedEx by the hair of the chinny chin chin. All right, we're right there. If you're gonna tell me that Philadelphia and they super bowl wonder right now. Pittsburgh in a Super bowl wonder. We're right there and we ain't supposed to be there. So relax.
[103:50]
Big Cat
Okay. Juice me up.
[103:51]
Hank
I like it.
[103:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[103:52]
Hank
I'm excited. I'm back in now.
[103:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[103:55]
Hank
I was never out, but it starts. You start to think about it. Things have looked different for the last couple weeks.
[104:00]
PFT Commenter
Let's just tell me. You got sports.
[104:02]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[104:02]
PFT Commenter
You got spoiled. When we had them numbers that you knew was gonna go down, you knew he wasn't gonna be able to keep that up. At third down, he was 80% on third. Like these numbers one did by Tom Brady. You knew they had to come back down. I thought maybe point.
[104:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[104:16]
PFT Commenter
Come on now. We have to be realistic here. All right. Like I told him. Now, you can lie to a lot of people in this world, but lying to yourself. That make you ignorant.
[104:25]
Hank
The grasshopper horse thing. I've heard that people say it all the time. Grasshopper. Tell a lot to a horse if you.
[104:29]
Big Cat
Yeah. He also. Fred had had a great line because I was guaranteeing something. And he said the only guarantees is you're a past baby and a future ghost. Yeah.
[104:38]
PFT Commenter
That's it.
[104:39]
Big Cat
That's it.
[104:40]
PFT Commenter
That's it. Now in between, that's up to you.
[104:42]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[104:42]
PFT Commenter
What you do. But we know for a fact we don't remember stuff from being no baby.
[104:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[104:47]
PFT Commenter
We just know we used to be one.
[104:48]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[104:49]
PFT Commenter
And we ain't gonna remember much about being a ghost. We just know we gonna be one. Good, bad or ugly.
[104:56]
Big Cat
A difficult question, but I have to ask.
[104:58]
PFT Commenter
Please.
[105:00]
Big Cat
The Love Boat. I know we talked about it six years ago, but I saw you did a quote where you're like, I wish people would stop bringing it up. Because it wasn't even that cool. There's no way that it wasn't that cool.
[105:10]
PFT Commenter
First of all, let me ask you something.
[105:11]
Big Cat
You had a double sided dildo.
[105:13]
PFT Commenter
And let me ask you something. Have you. You've been to a bachelor porter before?
[105:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[105:16]
PFT Commenter
You've been to a bachelor party before. Was it the end all be all?
[105:20]
Big Cat
No. But there were fun times.
[105:21]
PFT Commenter
It was fun times. And guess what? We had the same ingredients y'all had at Y'all bastard party.
[105:27]
Big Cat
Okay.
[105:27]
PFT Commenter
The only way my best. It could have been better than y'alls. If I. If an alien would have flew down and came down. A female alien. I didn't have no female alien at mine. Like, it was like, people try to glow it up. I think it. Because it was just a lot of millionaires doing this.
[105:42]
Big Cat
Yeah. It was also funny.
[105:43]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[105:44]
Big Cat
I mean, a Love boat.
[105:45]
PFT Commenter
Yeah, definitely.
[105:45]
Big Cat
That's funny.
[105:46]
PFT Commenter
But guess what? The Vikings been doing this since the early 1700s.
[105:50]
Hank
That's right.
[105:51]
PFT Commenter
They been going to villages doing this for a long time. We just got into character too much.
[105:56]
Hank
That's right.
[105:57]
PFT Commenter
And it wasn't nothing but a. You know, every team has its rookie party. All right. And that's basically how they haze us as rookies. All right? Mine, I had to take my guys to Capitol Grill. The whole defense, they ran the tab up for $20,000. It hurt me with this one. They took up money, we threw a party. That was it. It only got blew up. Cause we got caught. Yeah.
[106:16]
Big Cat
Cause someone pissed, right? Someone pissed in the lawn.
[106:19]
PFT Commenter
Somebody lying.
[106:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[106:20]
PFT Commenter
And that's it. And I like. Cause no rules were broken. It was a legit bachelor party.
[106:25]
Hank
What do you mean by rules? What do you mean by no rules were broken?
[106:28]
PFT Commenter
Well, you know, take a couple rules related. No, no. They tried to say some rules were broken, but at the end of that, we all just. We got charged with disturbing the peace. We paid a fifty dollar fine when it was over with each.
[106:38]
Hank
And I'll tell you what, getting charged with disturbing the peace, that's a pretty badass charge. Yeah, I would love to get charged.
[106:43]
PFT Commenter
Disturbing the peace on the lake.
[106:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[106:46]
PFT Commenter
The lake of Minnetonka. You know, Ain't but two people been watched in them waters. That's me. And we the only two right there. Been watched in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. But I always said it was overhyped because guys like to come. They say, oh, yeah, Fred, they'll come nudge you. How would that party like? And I'd be like, what you doing, old dirty old man? Like, what you trying to do? But everybody thinks it was the. I've been to better parties. I'm sorry, not. I've been to better parties. And I'm sure y'all have too. Like, it was just. It was Ricky's money getting pushed to the limit. They gonna enjoy themselves. The veterans ain't really sized.
[107:31]
Big Cat
They chilling because they saw.
[107:33]
Hank
When they're rookies.
[107:34]
PFT Commenter
Yeah. But they more secretive anyway. They ain't doing Nothing. But the rookies, they are, they are out of control. They don't care. You. If I had to give you this money, I'm about to enjoy myself.
[107:42]
Hank
Yeah, right. If somebody gave me millions of dollars when I turned 20 years old, I would have done some stupider shit than that.
[107:48]
PFT Commenter
That's what I always like to ask people. Let me take you there, P. Yeah. 25.
[107:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[107:54]
PFT Commenter
I give you 10 million in jail. What do you think the one thing that's gonna kind of lead you ascrate? Is it gonna be your friends?
[108:04]
Hank
Yeah.
[108:05]
PFT Commenter
Is it gonna be you trying to do too much for this? Go too much or be in the streets too much? Or is it. What do you think would have been that one vice that had been like.
[108:15]
Hank
I think I would have found new vices.
[108:16]
PFT Commenter
Oh, that's what it is.
[108:18]
Hank
I think you give me $10 million from 25 and I'm like, I will try anything.
[108:22]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[108:22]
PFT Commenter
Well, why do people look at athletes and be like, that's a damn shame. I wouldn't have did that.
[108:28]
Big Cat
Yeah, no.
[108:28]
PFT Commenter
It's when they're 40 years old, right.
[108:30]
Big Cat
I think it. I think it's a weird thing where you see pro athlete 23 years old and in your head you're like, that guy's older than me. Even if you. You know what I mean? Just because they mature. They're mature and they have the money that you can only dream of. So you put a. You put PFT is right. Like 23 year old me, you gave me $10 million. I'd be dead.
[108:49]
Hank
I wouldn't be able to handle it. No, that's as most people.
[108:52]
PFT Commenter
No, that's most people. Because now it ain't like, imagine this. I always tell people this. Imagine waking up on just a Saturday and you can go anywhere in the world you want to. And you in your 20s. That mean if I can make it up in my head, yeah, I can go there. I can wake up like, I'm going to Alaska. Yeah, I'm gonna see y'all. I'm out. Like, nothing stopping you but you.
[109:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, right.
[109:16]
PFT Commenter
So whatever you can dream of, you can do it. So imagine just having one simple thing. Having a. A girlfriend that just like to be spoiled. She can get up in the morning. I want to go to Paris. All right, let's go to Paris. Yeah, but now you're in Paris for four days. You didn't plan to be there. Now I'm in Monaco for five days. I ain't planning to do this. Like, it just happens.
[109:39]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[109:39]
Hank
I also think it's like when you grow up, that's when you learn to love sports. That's when you watch a lot of sports on tv. You got your favorite team, you watch these guys and you're so ingrained with the idea of watching that when you were a kid. That's how you learn to love the sport. That even after you, after you age out of that and age past the playing years, you still have that somewhere deep inside where you think professional athletes, grown men even like, compared to me.
[110:03]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[110:03]
Hank
It's like. So when I watch Seinfeld now, right?
[110:05]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[110:06]
Hank
I'm older than the guys on Seinfeld, which, which up my brain.
[110:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[110:10]
Hank
Because I grew up being like George Costanza. He's like, you know, a middle aged man I'll never be. Now I'm like six years older than George Costanza was during Seinfeld. But I still think of them as adults. Same thing with professional athletes, I think sometimes.
[110:21]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[110:22]
Hank
Also, it's just, I think some people like to just complain about people that make more money than them. So they'll see an athlete be like, look at these entitled, spoiled brats, you know, like.
[110:29]
PFT Commenter
Like we didn't work for that our whole life. And like, it wasn't that big old ill over there. Cause we all one big if from not making it to the league.
[110:37]
Memes
Yeah.
[110:37]
PFT Commenter
If we ain't hurt our knee, if we didn't ball out that game. If I didn't choose this school, I could have did some just easy as just choosing the wrong school. And I don't make it to the league.
[110:47]
Hank
Yeah.
[110:47]
PFT Commenter
Coach don't play me. Coach don't like me.
[110:49]
Big Cat
Ooh.
[110:50]
PFT Commenter
Just that one simple thing. But for some reason, when athletes get to the league, people think we run the damn lottery. You know, it takes no energy to win the lottery.
[111:00]
Big Cat
Right.
[111:01]
PFT Commenter
But I've been putting, I've been lifting, running my whole life.
[111:05]
Hank
No.
[111:05]
PFT Commenter
Knowing it wasn't guaranteed that I was gonna make it to the league.
[111:07]
Big Cat
Right?
[111:08]
Hank
Yeah.
[111:08]
PFT Commenter
Well, maybe not lifting you right, about that.
[111:11]
Big Cat
Yeah. What happened with the one bench press of the combine?
[111:13]
PFT Commenter
Listen, I told them this. Look, you see how long my arms are?
[111:17]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[111:17]
Hank
There you go.
[111:18]
PFT Commenter
Do you see it?
[111:18]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[111:19]
PFT Commenter
I have the reach of somebody. Six, four.
[111:21]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[111:22]
PFT Commenter
If you want me to bench press, it's gonna be harder for me to do it. So I said, you know what I'm gonna do? What the guys don't do. Cause most corners and receivers do not do the business.
[111:32]
Big Cat
They don't even get on there.
[111:33]
PFT Commenter
I said, I'm gonna give them what they want. But I'm only do it one time. Like, I got on that, did it one time. I racked it. I said, you ain't come for no bodybuilders. Y'all came for an athlete. Come on, watch me run. So we went outside, and all the scouts watched me run and do my drills.
[111:47]
Big Cat
I'm like, okay, so you could have done more.
[111:50]
PFT Commenter
Maybe one more. One more.
[111:53]
Big Cat
That's a good way to spin it, though, to be like, I'm only gonna do one. Yeah.
[111:56]
PFT Commenter
But that's it.
[111:57]
Big Cat
I'm not gonna tell you that. All I can do is two. But I'm only gonna do one.
[111:59]
PFT Commenter
And guess what? One of these scouts, one of the coaches, DB coaches walked up to me and tapped me on the show where he said, you know what? I'm shocked you even got under there. DBs don't even get under there. YC don't get under there. They tell me a lot. They tell me, you don't care about humility. They just ain't a part of who you is. I like. I don't care nothing about that.
[112:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[112:15]
PFT Commenter
Like, it is what it is. They can't beat me playing football.
[112:18]
Big Cat
Right.
[112:18]
PFT Commenter
I don't care about them out benching me. Y'all don't say he benched £500 after I get a pick.
[112:24]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[112:24]
PFT Commenter
Y'all just say, he out here playing football. He good at it. Yeah.
[112:27]
Hank
I feel like that doesn't translate at all. Especially the cornerback. I mean, you want to know that somebody's strong, right? You know, you want to know that somebody's willing to tackle, But I don't.
[112:34]
PFT Commenter
Want you to be so strong that you stiff.
[112:36]
Hank
Yeah.
[112:36]
PFT Commenter
Like, when you see athletes or guys walking around Gold's Gym and they walk around there like this, they can't play sports. They're not flexible enough. They are one big muscle rat. All right? And we even say it when the guys walk in and we draft a guy, and I'd be like, oh, he too muscle, muscular. Like, he. He ain't gonna be. His flexibility won't allow him to have a longevity in football. He gonna tear muscles.
[112:57]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[112:57]
PFT Commenter
Every. Every year. Not me. I could be at the bottom of a pile looking like Gumby, just rubbery, and I'm gonna jump right back up.
[113:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[113:05]
PFT Commenter
Everybody talk all that about how much I. Bitch, how many games did I miss?
[113:08]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[113:08]
Hank
Yeah. Not a lot.
[113:09]
PFT Commenter
No, thank you.
[113:10]
Hank
You were a tough motherfucker, because either.
[113:12]
PFT Commenter
You got it or you don't.
[113:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[113:14]
PFT Commenter
Weights won't save you.
[113:15]
Big Cat
Yeah. When you. When you ended up retiring. How old? Because you seem like a guy who loved being in the locker room.
[113:21]
PFT Commenter
Locker room was my thing.
[113:22]
Big Cat
Yeah. Right. So how long did it take you to mentally, like, get out of there? Yeah. Or like. Yeah, you retire. I know it's. It's a hard. It's a struggle for some guys.
[113:29]
PFT Commenter
It hurt. It hurts you mentally because now you feel like you by yourself for a first time. Because them 52 other brothers from 52 other mothers, they ain't. They ain't with you every day and think about it when you sit in a locker room. All 53 of us got the same problems, whatever those problems may be. Family. Not really loving on you no more. Just want you for money. Could be we. We, hey did all. Let's choose the wrong woman, you know, like, so if we got these same problems that now we're just talking to each other, leaning on each other about. And now that's gone. And it ain't really gone because you can still call your brother up, up. It's just that it don't come full serve to you on a platter.
[114:18]
Big Cat
It's not there every day.
[114:19]
PFT Commenter
Every day. Now you got to reach out for it right now. You got to reach out to you, man. How you doing? You know, how you doing, brother? I'm doing good. So I think it's more the mental separation. Think about this. Being in love with something or somebody for 30 plus years and she just divorces you cold. That's what football does. It just quits you. You quit it. It don't matter. It's being quit.
[114:43]
Big Cat
Right?
[114:43]
PFT Commenter
And I don't think it's. Everybody love. Money don't get that. But it's some stuff football can give you that money can't buy you.
[114:51]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[114:52]
PFT Commenter
That crowd walking out there, a hundred thousand people. Imagine this. Imagine how mentally stimulating it is to have a hundred thousand people saying your name simultaneously at one time. Smooth in the ground, just started shaking. You can't buy that with money. All right? The energy that's coming through your body that becomes addictive. I want it over. I want y'all to say it over and over and over again. You can't get that. That competition of one up in another. Man. Did everybody say this is the greatest athlete in the world? I just one up them so. No, he not. Now. He ain't the biggest gladiator I am. That why I say the only thing that could literally beat football is that gladiator sport to me is boxing. Because ain't nothing badass like walking around saying, I'm the heavyweight champion of the world.
[115:49]
Big Cat
That's true.
[115:50]
PFT Commenter
I could kick everybody's ass.
[115:52]
Big Cat
Baddest man on the planet.
[115:53]
PFT Commenter
On the planet. That's the only job, I think that could one up the quarterback position at football.
[115:59]
Hank
Everybody calling you champ all the time.
[116:01]
Big Cat
That has to be awesome. Yeah.
[116:02]
PFT Commenter
Walking around, imagine how your girl feel when she walk in and be like, my husband could kick all of you turds. Like, not all of you. Yeah, all 8 million of you. My husband can beat all 8 billion of you. If it's somebody not from Mars, my husband will beat you. That's badass.
[116:22]
Big Cat
That's true.
[116:23]
Hank
One of my favorite quotes of all time was, I think, did you say 2/3 of the water is covered or.
[116:28]
PFT Commenter
2/3 of the earth is covered by water and I cover the rest? I said that in college.
[116:32]
Hank
Yeah.
[116:32]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[116:32]
Hank
Was that true?
[116:33]
PFT Commenter
Most definitely. I felt that way.
[116:35]
Hank
Is there a guy that, that you couldn't guard?
[116:37]
PFT Commenter
It is no guy that I couldn't guard. It's some guys that give you more problems. I would 10 because we, we had got into the tall corners when I started to come out. Well, for a tall corner, your kryptonite gonna be a short receiver. So if you're checking a guy like Santana Moss, he gonna give you hell. You see a tight now with the big cornerback when they go against the smaller receiver. But put them against Calvin Johnson. He has no problem with Calvin Johnson. It's the guy that he can lose sight of. So when I said this, I was just feeling myself in my bag, you know, you in school, you got all this useless knowledge in you. Let me mix this with a little football and run with it. You know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't say it was no guy. I say Tyrone Calico, when I was in college, probably gave me the most problems in college. He ended up being a hell of a player. Kind of cut short by injuries in Tennessee, but he was a hell of a player. So I played against some guys. But if I get to play against you more than once, I can solve the problem.
[117:34]
Hank
Did you guard Calvin Johnson one on one?
[117:36]
PFT Commenter
Yes, I did.
[117:37]
Hank
What was that like?
[117:37]
PFT Commenter
He's the biggest human being I ever seen in my life, like. But I have no problem with tall guys because I'm. I'm not going to lose sight of you. You can look, I have no problem with to. No problem with Randy, you ain't got. You ain't going to see me on their highlight because they ain't burning me.
[117:50]
Hank
T o was so good. There was One thing about him, though, whenever he would play against you guys.
[117:54]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[117:55]
Hank
He was afraid of Sean Taylor.
[117:57]
PFT Commenter
No, you damn right.
[117:58]
Hank
Yeah.
[117:59]
PFT Commenter
Like, come on. Because 1. Hey, beast, let me introduce you to another beast. Like, because the one thing about Sean is he's their size, but he's faster than them. And that's the craziest thing about it. I remember one day we were sitting in the back of the huddle and Levi Arrington and Sean were talking in the huddle and I was like, is it me? Are they the same damn size? Yeah, like, they the same. Like when we got him as a Rookie, he was 240, 245, sometime played at 250 and he's still the fastest man on the damn field. That's unbelievable. Like, it's something when the 1%, the top 1%. Because once you're in the league, you part of that top 1%. But then it's the 1% of the 1%. Sean was the 1% of the 1%, meaning he's sticking out amongst the 1%. You can still be like he did. Me and Coach Gill would talk about it. He different coach. Like, yeah. Cause we can't control him. When I say can't control him. He had one speed. We'll be doing walkthroughs, you know, walk throughs, touching people. We're not. Not. Sean come right down here and we doing. We're doing ones against ones. Clinton Porters get the ball, come right down here. Sean mow him down. Coach would be like, come on now. Half speed, no tackling.
[119:13]
Hank
Yeah.
[119:14]
PFT Commenter
Hype. Mow him down. And he'll be like, coach, if they put the ball in their hands, I'm gonna mow him down. He dead serious. Like when he just. When he comes to practice, he clicks in and it's all I remember one day, I don't know if he was a little late or what. This dude comes out there with blue jeans under his football. I said something that happened today.
[119:41]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[119:41]
PFT Commenter
I said, ain't right. And he just started mowing through people. I like, dude, Greg will. You know, Greg Williams loves this type stuff. Like, so even though Coach Gibbs telling him lay off, Greg just got this grin on his face, like, let him lose. And that's what tight play was. Your teammates is not safe. We was on defense together, playing against Dallas. We beat Dallas, but I got Jones on the running back. Jones, I got him, I'm holding him and Sean just come knock the whole powder down. He hurts me, he hurts Jones. I have to go to the Hospital. Cause he lacerated my kidney. Oh, my God. Jones got a concussion. And this just the people that was in the pile.
[120:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[120:24]
PFT Commenter
Like, so that's friendly fire. That's all of above. Like, I'm laying in the hospital, can't fly back with the team. Cause he lacerated my kidney. So that's what type player. Like, the one thing that I just always wish I could have seen him play out the career because that last year we were heading to Green Bay. This dude leading the intercept, leading the league in interceptions. Got like 6, 7 at this time. He headed for 14 picks this year at the rate he's going. Then he had slimmed up. He had slimmed up. He was like 220 pounds, so he ain't faster right now. I was like, man, because me every all over talking about, like, dude, this dude keep going the way he going, he gonna be the best safety ever played again. And Air was like, yeah, man. Like, he is. So when you got a guy like Ed Reed agreeing with you on a situation like that.
[121:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[121:10]
PFT Commenter
That tells you the depth of this player, because he had Ed Reed's ball skills exact to the tee, but he hit, like, running lot. That's. That's the perfect safety. Like, if God's building a safety. His name is Sean Taylor.
[121:25]
Big Cat
Yeah. All right. Well, Fred, this has been awesome. You are. You're the best. We got to have you back on again. Not wait six years the next time. I got one. Last question. Rollback question. Rhode promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code, take. This isn't even a question. It's just that you did a Reddit AMA a few years ago.
[121:46]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[121:47]
Big Cat
And someone asked, what should I eat when I get home? And you said, if possible, my friend. Low in California calories. I was just funny. I just want to say.
[121:54]
PFT Commenter
No, I did not say that.
[121:56]
Big Cat
Yeah, you did.
[121:57]
PFT Commenter
No, I'm gonna tell you who said that. I had a guy that used to do my pr and I let him run.
[122:04]
Hank
Your PR guy?
[122:05]
PFT Commenter
Your PR guy said he has the foulest mouth of all. Because I. I did read it, like, once or twice, but I did all mine visually. Like, I got on there and did it, and I just let him do it, and he did that. You gotta realize my mouth is filthy, but my mouth filthy in person.
[122:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[122:23]
PFT Commenter
You will never see me, like, look at my Twitter. You see anything wrong down? That's crazy. Like, I don't write things down. That's crazy. Yeah, that Was all him and I let him have that one.
[122:34]
Hank
Also you, instead of saying eating pussy, you would have said running through the okra patch.
[122:38]
Big Cat
Right.
[122:38]
PFT Commenter
Thank you. You know, I say mine with a little bit more mystery to it.
[122:42]
Hank
Exactly.
[122:42]
PFT Commenter
Now people had to come and ask me what's running through the okra patch. It heals what it sounds like.
[122:46]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[122:47]
PFT Commenter
But other than that, I'm more. I'm more clean, pure. Because I didn't did the the top of the line medias. So I know how to say what I need to say and how I need to say it.
[122:58]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[122:58]
PFT Commenter
Now.
[122:59]
Big Cat
Yeah. Grasshopper and a horse. Yeah.
[123:01]
PFT Commenter
What is that again?
[123:02]
Big Cat
What the hell is that again?
[123:03]
PFT Commenter
No, no, it was a grasshopper. Tell the truth to a horse.
[123:06]
Big Cat
Okay.
[123:07]
Hank
You let him.
[123:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. Oh, man. Well, Fred, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it.
[123:13]
PFT Commenter
Hey, anytime, man. Thank y'all for having.
[123:17]
Hank
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[124:40]
Big Cat
All right, let's do our weekend preview. Talking some games. We'll rip through a few of these because we're obviously Taping on Tuesday. So there hasn't been a ton of new news, but I wanted to start with the Seahawks at the Jets. Jets plus two and a half over under 41 and a half on DraftKings sportsbook memes. What. What most recent news have we heard about the Jets? This past week we have hired an outside company to find our GM.
[125:08]
Hank
What outside company is that?
[125:10]
Big Cat
That'd be the 33rd team.
[125:11]
Hank
Okay, what do they do?
[125:16]
Fred Smoot
They are consultants to the owner to.
[125:19]
Big Cat
Find a proper GM to lead your team.
[125:22]
Hank
Are they a media company?
[125:25]
Fred Smoot
Kind.
[125:26]
Hank
So like hiring barstool sports?
[125:29]
Big Cat
Pretty much. But the Commanders also just did that.
[125:32]
Hank
Ah, well, they had an extensive search and they hired the. But it was like executives from the Golden. It was led by the. It was led by these guys.
[125:40]
Big Cat
Wait, Mike Tanenbaum, Is that the guy who said that you should trade Miles Garrett to the Lions and the Lions should give up three first round picks? And Jameer Gibbs?
[125:50]
Fred Smoot
He was doing media.
[125:51]
Hank
Is that. Is that the same Mike Tambom that hates Josh Allen and said he would never have drafted him?
[125:58]
Fred Smoot
Say same guy who has a winning.
[126:00]
Big Cat
Record as a GM as the jets with the Jets. Memes, how old are you again? 29. People keep making fun of me for that. Why? I don't know. Why. Why do they make fun of you for being 29?
[126:10]
Hank
I don't know.
[126:11]
Big Cat
No, no, that makes no sense.
[126:12]
Max
It's me doesn't like when people think that he's. That it's a compliment. They're like, how is he that old? I thought he was 22. Which pisses me off because I get the opposite.
[126:22]
Big Cat
Yeah, well that's. That's weight related, Max. Just so you know, because I get the opposite.
[126:28]
Max
You think?
[126:28]
Big Cat
Yeah, People are like, oh, you're 50. So memes, you're 29. So how old were you in 2008?
[126:34]
Hank
Ish. 2008.
[126:36]
Big Cat
Let's do some math. 13. Okay. All right. So my question is. So there was a report that came out that Aaron Rodgers is so injured that he doesn't want to do a scan on his injuries, but because he doesn't want to be taken off the field. This report coming from most likely Aaron Rodgers when the goes down and he's like, oh yeah, actually you guys don't even understand how injured I am. Memes, has this ever happened to the jets before? If a player played through injury, yeah, that actually kind of hurts. Hurt the team?
[127:14]
Hank
Not that I could remember.
[127:15]
Big Cat
Okay, so you're too young. Because it has happened before and it was a former packers quarterback named Brett Favre, who tore his bicep and decided to keep playing through the injury and basically was so bad at the end of his jets run that he should have taken himself out, but he didn't. It's insane.
[127:33]
Hank
They started 8 and 3 that year, too.
[127:34]
Big Cat
Yes. And then he tore his bicep and he basically was like, I'm going to play through it because I'm Brett Farr. Similar to Aaron Rodgers, who obviously, they didn't start 8 and 3, but is playing through an injury. They are just living the same life.
[127:46]
Hank
Wait, do you think that. You think Aaron Rodgers leaked this news?
[127:50]
Big Cat
Probably.
[127:51]
Hank
Even though the same news was leaked when Brett Favre was the quarterback.
[127:54]
Big Cat
What do you mean? Yeah, like that.
[127:56]
Hank
That might be coming from Woody Johnson.
[127:57]
Big Cat
Yeah, true, true.
[127:59]
Hank
Like, he's. He's the one common denominator in all this. I think he's. It would benefit Woody to get the story out there that Aaron Rodgers is being an insubordinate dick and he's injured and he's costing our team games.
[128:10]
Big Cat
I think it helps Aaron Rodgers, though, a lot, too, to be like, he's such a warrior. He wants to stay in this game.
[128:15]
Hank
That's. That is true.
[128:16]
Big Cat
Yeah, he. He's. He. You guys don't even understand what he's dealing with.
[128:19]
Hank
Yeah. So he refuses to get scans.
[128:22]
Big Cat
It's Brett Farv. Brett Farre did that in 2008. He Basically, after the season, had to get surgery on his torn right bicep, and he's like, yeah, it. It kind of affected me. Yeah, like torn right bicep.
[128:33]
Hank
Memes, where are you seeing that? The commanders hired the 33rd team.
[128:38]
Fred Smoot
Spielman, the other guy.
[128:39]
Big Cat
That's not Tannenbaum, was part of the.
[128:43]
Hank
Search for Adam Peters. Right. I agree with that. I just don't think that they hired the 33rd team.
[128:51]
Big Cat
What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean?
[128:54]
Hank
I mean that. I don't think that they hired the 33rd team to try to find. They might have had Spielman. They might have had the guy from Golden State warriors and some other guys. I just never heard of that.
[129:03]
Big Cat
So I was.
[129:03]
Hank
I was wondering, Wash, what is.
[129:06]
Big Cat
What. What's going on here?
[129:07]
Hank
This is a blog on the. On the 33rd team.
[129:11]
Big Cat
I'm confused on who the 33rd team is. So I know who the 33rd team is, but I don't really know. The jets hired the 33rd team, did they not?
[129:18]
Hank
Correct. Yes. Yeah, they hired the organization. Now, I will say that being a coaching and Executive search firm is the best job in the world. Yes, it is the best. In fact, the 33rd team had a blog up, I think, like two weeks ago saying here's who they should look at hiring if they do fire Joe Douglas.
[129:34]
Big Cat
Yes.
[129:35]
Hank
So, like, they had. They had blogged it, so they've got their own list that's ready to go that they had also helpfully shared with the rest of the league.
[129:41]
Big Cat
Yeah, no, it's. It's. I mean, it's Ernie, of course. He's Bill Polian. All these guys who are basically, they just. They. They get a million dollars to be like, hey, here's the person you should hire.
[129:51]
Hank
Yeah.
[129:51]
Big Cat
A friend.
[129:52]
Hank
You should hire Ben Johnson to be the coach.
[129:54]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. I think the Seahawks are. Their defense is really good. And this is. This is basically. Gino, just. Geno, stop throwing Pixie in the end zone. Gino, you guys can be good. You guys can go to the playoffs. Just be good. Geno. Geno, revenge game. Yeah.
[130:11]
Hank
Gino, revenge game. That's huge. The Seahawks are the team that is just impossible to figure out.
[130:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[130:16]
Hank
Every time you think they're good, they're bad. Every time you think they're bad, they're good.
[130:18]
Big Cat
It's the entire NFC West. One of those teams is going to go to the playoffs.
[130:21]
Fred Smoot
You know that.
[130:22]
Hank
The jets are bad. Bad.
[130:23]
Big Cat
Yeah. And.
[130:24]
Hank
But the Seahawks. I.
[130:25]
Big Cat
But Aaron Rodgers is hurt.
[130:26]
Hank
Aaron Rodgers is hurt. But they had a buy.
[130:28]
Big Cat
But we don't know how hard they had a buy.
[130:30]
Hank
He might have gotten healthy.
[130:31]
Big Cat
Yeah, he might have gotten healthy.
[130:33]
Hank
I. I don't hate the Jets. I don't hate the jets this weekend. At least they're not favored anymore. That was a weird stretch where they were.
[130:40]
Big Cat
Yeah, it was very weird.
[130:41]
Hank
Very weird memes. Do. Do you think that the jets have a chance? I think they might.
[130:45]
Big Cat
Nope. Okay. Yeah. I think Kenneth Walker is gonna have a day. Yeah, probably. Probably. And a lot of guys are going to quit and then some guys will be fined for a job for next.
[130:53]
Fred Smoot
Year, but the season is over.
[130:56]
Big Cat
Yeah. Oh, wow. I think that was the first time he said that.
[130:59]
Hank
Over, over.
[131:00]
Big Cat
Fully over. All right. Steelers at Bengals. Bengals minus three over. Under 47. I like the Bengals here because the. Zach Robinson put.
[131:10]
Hank
Zach Taylor.
[131:11]
Big Cat
Zach Taylor. Sorry. Zach Taylor put ping pong tables back in the Bengals locker room. Yep.
[131:17]
Hank
Being in.
[131:17]
Big Cat
That's it.
[131:17]
Hank
Being a head coach is a never ending cycle of taking the ping pong table out. Putting the ping pong table back in. I saw an interesting quote about that and it came from their kicker. Evan McPherson hasn't had a great season.
[131:28]
Big Cat
Nope.
[131:29]
Hank
He said he felt the Bengals teams over the past three years have been really close, that ping pong has played a role in that because players spend time with the teammates. They might not otherwise. Yeah, it sounds like Evan McPherson as a kicker is like. Like it's. The only way that people hang out with me is if we're playing ping pong.
[131:45]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[131:45]
Hank
Can we just get, like, the punters and the kickers to feel like they're part of the football team?
[131:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[131:50]
Hank
He might not be wrong.
[131:51]
Big Cat
Yeah. No, he's not wrong. And he's. Yeah. Zach Taylor on the ping pong tables. Returning to the locker room. Creates a little energy, gets guys to interact, creates competitiveness.
[131:59]
Hank
Competitiveness all the time. You compete from the time you step foot inside those doors.
[132:03]
Big Cat
By the way, President Pug is doing a great job on the computer. He's pulling up for us something that Max would never do.
[132:10]
Hank
You're crushing it.
[132:10]
Big Cat
Well, Max is too busy with his ADD Just like throwing a football to himself.
[132:14]
Hank
Got Pug Skull.
[132:16]
Big Cat
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Government name. What are you doing?
[132:20]
Hank
Pug has nice, delicate, little skinny fingers that are able to type much faster.
[132:24]
Big Cat
Yeah, he's doing Pug. Max Pugs putting you to shame right now.
[132:29]
Max
I mean, sorry. I got fat fingers. Yeah, no, we had to.
[132:33]
Big Cat
We. We might have to have Pug sitting in here. He does the computer. Max on the couch. Yep. Be nice. Also, Jer Lynn Pratt guaranteed a win. I don't really know if you can be a Bengals defensive player and guarantee a win.
[132:45]
Hank
No, you probably shouldn't do that. The. The Steelers didn't look awesome against the Browns, but I'm going to chalk all this up to just AFC north games.
[132:53]
Big Cat
Or you could do. Well, this is AFC north game, so. Yeah.
[132:57]
Hank
Yeah. That's what you're saying you could do.
[132:59]
Big Cat
George Pickens. It was a snow.
[133:00]
Hank
It was a snow. Pickens got in a fight after the game with a defensive back. At first, I thought he was fighting a fast.
[133:06]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[133:06]
Hank
Turns out it was a db. The Bengals being favorites. Does that make sense?
[133:12]
Big Cat
Yeah, I think the Steelers are on fraud watch for me.
[133:15]
Hank
Okay.
[133:15]
Big Cat
Yeah, I do. I mean, their defense is very, very good. I think they're on fraud watch.
[133:20]
Hank
Tomlin, as an underdog, though, we always say it.
[133:23]
Big Cat
Oh, for sure. The Steelers absolutely could win this game. But this is a game that if they. If the Bengals get life back in this, I'm putting the Steelers on fraud watch. Especially with who the Steelers have.
[133:32]
Hank
Have the rest of their Way the ping pong table.
[133:35]
Big Cat
They got to play the Ravens again. I think they play the Chiefs. I think they gotta play the Bengals again. Steelers have a very tough schedule down the stretch and I don't know like who. The Steelers have beaten a lot of bad teams and the Ravens, who they always beat, they also lost the Cowboys. You know what I mean? Like, I, I just think if you look at the Steelers, I'm, I'm not saying they're frauds. I'm just saying fraud watch.
[134:02]
Hank
Did they beat the Chargers?
[134:03]
Big Cat
They beat the Chargers when Justin Herbert couldn't walk.
[134:05]
Hank
Yeah.
[134:06]
Big Cat
He literally had like severely sprained ankle. And I remember watching that game, he couldn't move at all. He couldn't do like play action.
[134:14]
Hank
Beat the Broncos.
[134:15]
Big Cat
I think they did beat the Broncos. That was Bo Nix's second start in.
[134:19]
Hank
The NFL Commanders when the Commanders were looking decent.
[134:23]
Big Cat
Yeah, but I mean, Raiders, Giants, jets lost the Cowboys. Who could lose the Cowboys?
[134:28]
Hank
No one. Well, they attack too.
[134:30]
Big Cat
Yeah, they did attack. I just, again, I don't, I'm not putting the Steelers under frauds. This is their fraud watch game because the rest of their season is Bengals, Browns again. Then they have to play the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals. That's really tough if they leave, if they let the Bengals back in here because I think the Bengals have a little bit of easier schedules. They let the Bengals back in this thing. The Bengals will most likely be playing for something in week 18. So it's like a double whammy against them. They're hurting themselves twice. They got to win this game and then I'm not. And then they're off the fraud watch. Okay, next game, Cardinals at Vikings. Vikings -3 and a half over under 45 and a half. I think the Vikings are going to win this game.
[135:15]
Hank
Okay.
[135:16]
Big Cat
Hanks taking notes?
[135:18]
Hank
I am. Again, the Cardinals kind of fall into the same line as the Seahawks with me, which is, I'm not really sure how, how, how to peg them at all. Yeah, I can't peg the Cardinals. I do think that the Vikings are a legitimately good football team.
[135:30]
Big Cat
Yes, I do too. I, I, I think I have a read on the Cardinals. Ish. And it's if you can run the ball, their offense looks explosive. When they can't, it looks broken. I think I said this two months ago. Vikings can stop the run. So that's why I like the Vikings.
[135:45]
Hank
Vikings can really stop the run.
[135:46]
Big Cat
Right. And the Vikings is the first time they've, they've been home in three weeks, four weeks, they, they've I. They think they played three straight. No, they played two straight. Three straight road games, and they've been playing tough games. I think it's going to. I just like the Vikings in this game.
[136:03]
Hank
I will say, though, that if the Cardinals win this game, I will believe fully in the Cardinals.
[136:07]
Big Cat
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[136:09]
Hank
This is like, Kyler would be locked in if he. If they somehow win this game on the road, that would be a huge win for them.
[136:16]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[136:17]
Hank
But until they do, I just think that the Vikings are very. I believe in Sam Darnold. Still think he's having a great season. He's had a couple missteps, but, like, I still think that what we see now is Sam Darnold. That's who Sam Darnold is now.
[136:28]
Big Cat
Agreed.
[136:28]
Hank
I don't think that he's going to suck down the stretch or turn into a different player. I think he's legitimately good quarterback right now. If the Cardinals can go in and win this game, then I will be like, yeah, Cardinals should win their division.
[136:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Next game, the Tennessee Titans at the Washington Commanders. Commanders minus five and a half over under 45 and a half. You have to win this game. PFT. We said it last week, must win, but you have to win this game.
[136:55]
Hank
Must win and can't lose at the same time.
[136:57]
Big Cat
You have to win this game.
[136:58]
Hank
It's a. It's a double must.
[137:00]
Big Cat
How are you and Hank, by the way? I noticed you guys didn't sleep in the same house the last two nights.
[137:04]
Hank
No, we haven't been speaking.
[137:05]
Big Cat
Yeah, Memes is. Memes is legitimately. Memes is the child that, like, if mom and dad disagree over, like, they get in like a little spat because they're going driving somewhere and they get lost. Yeah. Memes is like, oh, my God, they're getting divorced.
[137:20]
Hank
Yeah. No, we're fighting over the radio. I want Kendrick on. Hank is a huge Drake fanboy. So we're having those arguments in front of Memes and, yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of awkward. Memes does think that everyone's breaking up all the time, though.
[137:31]
Big Cat
PFT was in the gambling cave yesterday, going to every single person saying, did you see Hank?
[137:35]
Hank
The clips of Hank. Well, so. So what's interesting is they came to yesterday. So who's that little update people in the gambling cave that happened to be around at the time. They came to me because they'd listened to Monday's part of my take, and they came up to me, they said, Hank is so full of shit. Who they're not on trial here.
[137:54]
Big Cat
I have sources.
[137:54]
Hank
The walls.
[137:55]
Memes
All right, I guess we'll do an unnamed source off.
[137:58]
Hank
Okay. So the walls came up to me, and they said.
[138:01]
Memes
Because I heard what memes said. You were just walking up trying to find people to.
[138:06]
Hank
No, that's not the case. No, no. They. They came to me and they said. Said, Hank is so full of. I listened to Monday's part of my take, and you were absolutely picking up on Hank, trying to, like, secretly root against you during that game. And then they said, we can actually find the clips. And so there Hank was showing people his future bet on the Commanders not making the playoffs and laughing whenever the Commanders would do something bad, the Cowboys do something good. You were showing it around, and you were laughing, and they sent me the clip.
[138:36]
Big Cat
Is this true?
[138:37]
Hank
Yeah.
[138:38]
Big Cat
Yeah. Good.
[138:38]
Hank
Before you watch the video, Hank, is this true?
[138:41]
Memes
I showed someone the bed slip. I think that someone also might have went to jmu, which I is interesting. Interesting piece of evidence. The jury member that we're talking about here.
[138:53]
Hank
So you. So.
[138:54]
Memes
But I wasn't laughing. I was not laughing when the Commanders did something bad. I laughed when they missed the extra point the same way I laughed when the Bears. Like, that's just like a trial trauma laugh.
[139:02]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, Trauma laugh now, but like.
[139:05]
Memes
Showing someone a bet slip because, again, I also showed them the Commanders to win the super bowl bet slip. So it's, like, true. I have the Commanders who win the Super Bowl. If the Commanders make the playoffs, I will be commied the out.
[139:17]
Hank
All right, so do we have the video here? The videos, Pug.
[139:21]
Big Cat
Oh, too loud, too loud, too loud, too loud, too loud.
[139:25]
Hank
Okay, that's the missed extra point. There's Hank laughing.
[139:29]
Memes
Where's the laugh? Where's the last? Where is the laugh?
[139:35]
Big Cat
Zoom in, Pug. Can you. Can you make it big? I'm going.
[139:38]
Memes
I have my hand for the podcast. I have my hand over my mouth.
[139:41]
Big Cat
Okay.
[139:42]
Memes
I was going, oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God.
[139:44]
Hank
We should start at the first one, because I think the. The first.
[139:48]
Big Cat
I jinx. Pug doing a great job. He's all over the place now.
[139:52]
Hank
I think it might be the other one, Pug, because that's one where he's showing the bets.
[139:55]
Big Cat
Yeah, the one that's first.
[139:56]
Hank
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's Hank looking at his phone, and this is after the spin move touchdown showing EBO Commanders missed the playoff.
[140:10]
Big Cat
There wasn't a laugh. He's just showing.
[140:16]
Hank
Showing the bet slip and smiling.
[140:17]
Big Cat
Okay, that's. I Mean, that's not guilty of anything crazy. That's the clip. Yeah, there's.
[140:25]
Hank
There's more.
[140:26]
Big Cat
The clip would be more damning. There's more like if he had like. If he had like, pointed to you and then throat slash. Okay, this is the second clip.
[140:37]
Hank
He's an A plus receiver, but he.
[140:39]
Big Cat
Doesn'T have a quarterback.
[140:47]
Hank
Now, keep in mind Hank running and laughing.
[140:50]
Memes
This is. Pause it. Pause. A pug. Positive pug. The laugh there was because before that clip, that was when you turned around and told me to suck your dick and you. So after that, after you said that I was actively rooting against commanders. I was happy they lost. After that, everything before that was nothing. So that smile that I had after they missed extra point was literally after you turned around to me, DX sucked in my face and said, you Hank.
[141:15]
Hank
I suck my dad in dx. There was no dx.
[141:18]
Big Cat
Okay. The.
[141:20]
Hank
The entire. The entire reason that people.
[141:22]
Memes
Let's play the third clip because I. I'm curious where the smiles and laughs are.
[141:25]
Big Cat
The entire people came up show it.
[141:28]
Memes
And let's show the evidence. Show the evidence.
[141:29]
Hank
After listening to Monday show and told me this was because they listen. I. Hank can bet however he wants. I think it's a funny troll bet. But then Hank try and convince me that he was not rooting against the commanders.
[141:41]
Big Cat
That.
[141:41]
Memes
Where is the evidence of me rooting against the commanders? You just showed evidence that proved. Proved nothing.
[141:46]
Hank
You just said show showing the bet slip and then laughing and then.
[141:51]
Memes
Wait, can we show that again? I don't think that was laughing getting up. I don't see a laugh around the clip One pug. Clip one pug. Please show me the laugh here.
[142:00]
Hank
Because.
[142:01]
Memes
Because. Because EO laughs.
[142:05]
Big Cat
Patriot scored touchdown. One for two and got it. Need to listen. Late card.
[142:12]
Hank
Yeah, there's. There's some smirking going on.
[142:15]
Memes
So we've gone. So we've downgraded from laughing.
[142:18]
Big Cat
Can I say something real quick sidebar with upft. Okay. I've. I've watched these clips. Listen, Hank's a piece of. He's a troll. He's a piece of. He's bad guy.
[142:32]
Hank
Correct.
[142:34]
Big Cat
I think he might be too much in your head right now.
[142:36]
Hank
It's. It's a possibility.
[142:38]
Big Cat
I think you're. You're overthinking Hank's existence a little memes is nodding right now.
[142:43]
Hank
Well, the thing memes. You don't get to do that.
[142:45]
Big Cat
I think you. I think he might be winning because you spent 48 hours collecting that. Now.
[142:53]
Hank
See, no, here's where. Here's where I'll disagree with you. I have not done any collection. These are people that are out there in the company that agree with me that think that Hank.
[143:02]
Memes
And again. Well, it's where. Where'd this person go to school?
[143:05]
Hank
Well, it's multiple people actually.
[143:06]
Memes
Hey, who else? Who else?
[143:07]
Hank
There were three people yesterday that were telling me about this that were.
[143:11]
Memes
It's just convenient names.
[143:12]
Hank
You're right.
[143:13]
Memes
Like why are you protecting their identity?
[143:15]
Hank
I'm going to send there. I'm gonna send clips to you because.
[143:19]
Memes
I've had say that in your head and I'm destroying you.
[143:22]
Hank
I've done zero. I've done zero sourcing. These are all people that have come to me and said Hanks piece of shit. He was rooting against you all game Hank and root however he wants. My whole thing is you have no evidence I accurately picked up on Hank. We have a whole stream and now Hank is saying that I did not accurately pick up on that. That's my whole thing. And if me caring about that is Hank being too far in my head, then guilty is charged. I am, I am 100 guilty of Hank being in my head.
[143:50]
Memes
Again, like I. I really don't care. I know I'm in your head. I know, I know. This is a dub for me. You went on this whole soliloquy on Sunday about how you picked up on these things and you have evidence that was on stream. The evidence that you just presented proves nothing what you just said.
[144:08]
Hank
Well, I didn't have people go back through the entire stream and pull things out. They just sent. What? No, I didn't. They just sent these clips to me. I didn't ask them to go through the entire stream.
[144:17]
Memes
Did you ask any clips?
[144:19]
Hank
When they said we can find the clips, I said yes, send them to me.
[144:22]
Big Cat
Max, do you have anything to say? Max is in his bathroom taking a shit. See anything thing just good wi fi there, Max.
[144:31]
Hank
Yeah. Oh, here he is.
[144:32]
Big Cat
Oh, Max. No. He sucks. You suck. Max. He's got nothing, I think. Yeah. I mean again, I. I have your back in the fact that Hank does root against us and he is a troll and. And these are all facts. But he's gonna. He's gonna kill you by you like he. He's. You're all consumed by Hank.
[144:57]
Hank
I am consumed by Hank a little bit.
[144:59]
Big Cat
Right.
[144:59]
Hank
But I needed somebody.
[145:00]
Big Cat
It's not healthy.
[145:01]
Hank
I needed somebody to take the sting off losing to the Cowboys and Hank is a great scapegoat to have around. But I'M just saying facts are facts. Hank was rooting against the commanders, was pretending that he wasn't.
[145:13]
Memes
The facts that you're. The evidence that you're using to prove those facts is just proves nothing. Like, that's where it's like, I would actually. This was a court of law. Like, I'd be even more innocent than I was on Sunday.
[145:22]
Hank
I probably. I probably should have that innocent was.
[145:24]
Memes
That evidence was horrible.
[145:26]
Hank
Okay. The evidence. The evidence was shown to me.
[145:29]
Big Cat
The evidence showed something, but not really the full. Like, he wasn't, like, laughing. He just showed a bet because the game was going a certain way.
[145:39]
Hank
I have circumstantial evidence. I did not go back through the footage.
[145:43]
Big Cat
You're going to have to.
[145:44]
Hank
I know. Then Hanks. In my head, I think. I think I will concede the point to Hank that the evidence is not as compelling as I was told it would be, and we can move on from there. We're still not going to talk?
[145:57]
Big Cat
Yeah, don't talk.
[145:58]
Memes
Great.
[145:58]
Big Cat
Max, you're back.
[146:00]
Max
I'm back. I'm back.
[146:01]
Big Cat
Okay. Thoughts?
[146:04]
Max
I think I've been in PFT scenario.
[146:09]
Big Cat
Right. I have two.
[146:10]
Max
Something about Hank.
[146:11]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:12]
Max
That when you're going through it and you know that he's happy, that it makes you angry. He does a good job of it. It's good for the show.
[146:20]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:21]
Hank
Yeah.
[146:21]
Max
And I'm. I'm not completely faulting PFD because I've told Hank to suck my dick many a time.
[146:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[146:29]
Max
For really no reason.
[146:31]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. No. You. What you're saying, I agree with. Because I. I've been in this. I've been in PFG shoes many, many times as well. That's why, as an outsider in this spot, it's like there's nothing you can do. You got to just give it up because he's going to drive you nuts.
[146:45]
Hank
He's driving me nuts.
[146:46]
Memes
Another good way to show you're losing Max. PFT is that that big Cat and Max both would love to have evidence that goes against me and call me a piece of. And say, you're right. The fact that they can't and they're tiptoeing around being like. Yeah, but just means, like, they know I'm 100% right. They just really don't want to admit it.
[147:03]
Big Cat
I mean, I've been. Yeah. I've been in your shoes many, many times. I mean, the. The. The Wisconsin JMU game when he showed up in all purple, and he's like, I'm. I was. That was our See, I've been. That was for work. And I wish that was literally we had. Hey, this is the boy. At some point I wish I speak to me that night. I wish I had a point where I. Someone had been like, hey, just give it up. Because he's, he's. He's going to just destroy you mentally. That was bragging because of his existence.
[147:30]
Hank
So, yeah, a little peek behind the curtain here. I'm not, I'm not actually mad at Hank at all for any of this.
[147:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[147:35]
Hank
But he is driving me insane. The fact that he won't admit.
[147:38]
Big Cat
Correct.
[147:39]
Hank
That he was doing something.
[147:40]
Big Cat
That's all I wanted as well.
[147:41]
Hank
That's all it boils down to.
[147:43]
Big Cat
It's like Hank, he's really good.
[147:45]
Hank
Hank is very good at his job. He's a very good troll. He's doing a great job stirring things up. And even though his bet go, his bets go against me. Guess what? That's betting. You're going to bet against your friends at some point.
[147:55]
Memes
Tommy's future.
[147:55]
Hank
You're allowed to do that. But then when it gets down to him denying something that is true, then I start to be like, I'm going insane.
[148:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[148:04]
Hank
Hank is driving. Means I need this Thanksgiving break to get away from Hank.
[148:08]
Big Cat
Yeah. No, he has a very good ability to just make you insane.
[148:12]
Hank
Yeah.
[148:12]
Big Cat
And he's done it to all of us.
[148:14]
Hank
You're doing a great job.
[148:15]
Big Cat
Hank memes, you've had it too. Where Hanks made you go insane again.
[148:19]
Memes
This is where the existence things comes in. It's like the Patriots playing the jets means.
[148:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[148:23]
Fred Smoot
No, no, I don't.
[148:26]
Hank
No, I don't think so.
[148:28]
Memes
Listen, I'm sorry, guys, I'm. I really.
[148:30]
PFT Commenter
I mean, when.
[148:30]
Big Cat
When Hank just literally says we're thinking about hiring someone to, to help with your load, you're like, I want to kill you, Hank. You're trying to fire me.
[148:38]
Hank
Yeah, well, that's just life related.
[148:43]
Big Cat
Doing his job as a good boss.
[148:44]
Max
Hank's name and memes. His phone was enemy for years.
[148:49]
Memes
I didn't know that.
[148:50]
Hank
That's insane.
[148:51]
Memes
That's good. That's good to know.
[148:53]
Big Cat
It's Henrol now. All right, so General, as it pertains to this game, I'm just gonna take Washington.
[148:59]
Hank
We have to win this game and we gotta win it decisively. I am again, I'm officially concerned about the offense right now. Here's a thought experiment for Cliff Kingsbury. Close your eyes and imagine Terry McLaren lining up on the other side of the football occasionally because he only has him line up on one side like 97% of the time. He's never in motion. He's an awesome player. Let Terry move around a little bit. The Titans do scare me. Every team scares me now.
[149:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:27]
Hank
Right now if you were to look at the commanders and say, are they a good football team? I think the answer is no. I don't think that they are at all. So we, I mean, we still control our own destiny. If we can just manage to beat teams like the Titans and the Saints.
[149:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[149:41]
Hank
And the Falcons just got to win this. And the Cowboys.
[149:45]
Big Cat
All right, let's do rapid fire. A couple of these games that are kind of gross. Colts at patriots. Patriots plus three over under 42 and a half. Anything, Hank?
[149:54]
Memes
I think the Colts. This is a game where Anthony Richardson is bad against like complex defenses. The Patriots defense is bad. I think this is where he'll have like four touchdown.
[150:02]
Big Cat
Yeah, I can just dominate.
[150:03]
Hank
What are your thoughts on Gerard Mayo? Basically simming football games where he's like, I can't do anything once they're out there on the field.
[150:10]
Memes
Yeah, that's bad coaching. He's, he's, he's bad with the media.
[150:13]
Big Cat
Yeah, we talked about that on Monday where it's just like. Don't say that.
[150:16]
Hank
Yeah, don't, don't.
[150:18]
Big Cat
That quote makes no sense.
[150:19]
Hank
What was the game. Was it. It's not Madden. Was it football? Like football coach, Head football coach?
[150:24]
Big Cat
Yeah, something like that where you just.
[150:25]
Hank
Like do everything except actually. Yeah. Football manager is the one where you like, like do the transactions, get your team prepared during practice and then the game happens and you just hit like sim and you don't get to control anything. That's what, that's what Gerard Mayo has been doing.
[150:39]
Big Cat
Yeah, he needs that bad. Yeah, I did this game. I don't. It's gross. It's gross game.
[150:46]
Memes
I think it's a cold. I think Anthony Richardson.
[150:50]
Big Cat
All right. Goes off couple other rapid fire because it's. These are not the best bucks at Panthers. I, I mean the Panthers playing a lot better. Maybe they, maybe they keep this one tight too. Panthers are plus six over. Under is 46 and a half. Yeah.
[151:02]
Hank
So Bryce Young has looked good.
[151:04]
Big Cat
Yep.
[151:04]
Hank
I saw, I saw people doing cut ups of the all 22 of Bryce Young throws for good reasons which I've never seen before. They look, they looked like he was actually slinging the ball, like he was dropping them in some tight windows. He was decisive with his throws. I just like the Bucks too much.
[151:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[151:19]
Hank
I feel like that was A very. That was. They say that there's no moral victories in the NFL. The Panthers had a big time moral victory last week.
[151:27]
Big Cat
Yes.
[151:27]
Hank
That was huge.
[151:28]
Big Cat
They.
[151:29]
Hank
They blew the Chiefs out. Morally. Yes. But. Yeah. Baker's on a mission right now.
[151:33]
Big Cat
Baker.
[151:33]
Hank
I like the bucks.
[151:34]
Big Cat
Baker, Baker, Baker. Baker. Houston at Jacksonville. Jacksonville -5 overs, 43 and a half. I, I just had. Urban Meyer didn't know who Mike Vrabel was. That was a crazy story from the man in cast.
[151:45]
Hank
Was that a joke that he always.
[151:46]
Big Cat
I don't, I don't know if it was a joke, but I believe it too.
[151:49]
Hank
If it's a joke, I'm going to start using that line.
[151:51]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[151:51]
Hank
Just like people I know very well.
[151:53]
Big Cat
Yeah. So who are you?
[151:54]
Hank
Who are you on the couch?
[151:55]
Big Cat
Yeah. But this is a. If Houston wants to get right going through the December stretch and make a push, this is the game. They have to do it.
[152:05]
Hank
Yeah.
[152:06]
Big Cat
Because I can't believe Doug Peterson.
[152:07]
Hank
How, how, how has he not been fired?
[152:09]
Big Cat
Does, did he wake up every morning during the bye week being like, okay, today's the day?
[152:13]
Hank
Yeah. In a way, I actually was thinking, this is, this is worse than being fired for Doug Peterson.
[152:17]
Big Cat
Yeah. This is a way to get back at him.
[152:18]
Hank
Where you have, you go into the world, you go into your office every morning into work, you tap your key card and you think to yourself, this is the day where my key card doesn't work anymore and it works. And you're like, what the fuck? And you have to do that over and over and over again. At some point, having it not work has got to be so relieving to you because you've been thinking about getting fired for the last probably seven, eight weeks.
[152:40]
Big Cat
Yeah. He's just been flinching all week.
[152:42]
Hank
He's been flinching. He's been flinching at the door and he's like, somehow this is still going on. I would really like to just play golf.
[152:48]
Big Cat
Yeah, maybe. I mean, with Trevor Lawrence back, maybe the Jaguars do something. Maybe they could.
[152:54]
Hank
I mean, I don't really believe in the Texas that much either.
[152:56]
Big Cat
I don't know. Yeah, no, I don't either. This is a gross game. It. The Texas need to win this game. This is a proven game for the Texans. Yep. Take care of business. Chargers at Falcons actually is a pretty good game. Chargers off a loss, Falcons off a buy where I forgot the Falcons existed. We did do a great interview with Kirk Cousins coming out up. But that is. They were one of those Jaguars and Falcons kind of both. I just kind of forgot about their existence for a week.
[153:21]
Hank
Loser leaves town.
[153:22]
Big Cat
Loser leaves town.
[153:24]
Hank
If Falcons lose, they can still. They can still make same with the Chargers. Yeah.
[153:28]
Big Cat
Loser. No, this is not. Loser is.
[153:30]
Hank
Loser is slightly more for real.
[153:32]
Big Cat
Loser. Loser got to the town limits and then turned around and went back.
[153:36]
Hank
Loser called a realtor.
[153:37]
Big Cat
Yeah. Loser looked around in another town. Yeah, they're going to stay put.
[153:41]
Hank
Loser checked on insurance rates in a new city.
[153:44]
Big Cat
I do think the Chargers offensive line against a weak Falcons pass rushes is a mismatch in this game. It feels like. And then Rams. Saints was another one that I had listed that's like this. I mean, the Saints have already left town, but Rams, you have to win this game if you're the Rams. There's a lot of back against the wall games this week.
[154:02]
Hank
The Saints left town, but then they came back. Yeah, they're like a cat. You hated this cat. It's in the house all the time. You drove it outside town limits, left it like opened up the door to its crate, put it out in the forest and then the cat came back. Yeah, the cat showed up. And the Saints, they've looked like a different football team since the Rizzler has taken over.
[154:21]
Big Cat
Yeah, the Rizzi Rizzy. God, he's doing the thing. But yeah. Don't you feel like this is the last stand for the Rams?
[154:27]
Hank
Yes.
[154:27]
Big Cat
You have to win this game. Yes, Go win this game.
[154:30]
Hank
If you don't. If the Rams don't win this game, then I think your pinky's 100% safe.
[154:33]
Big Cat
Yes, I would say. I would say it's already safe. That's why I made it my pinky team. All right, a couple games that are good games. The last two, Eagles at Ravens. Ravens minus three over under 51. I'm going to say right now, this is my if the Eagles win this game, they're for real game, Max.
[154:52]
Max
So what does that mean if they lose?
[154:53]
Big Cat
They're not for real. Me.
[154:54]
Hank
Not for real.
[154:54]
Max
Can you hear me?
[154:55]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, we can hear you. They're not for real. They have to win this game.
[154:59]
Max
So losing on the road at Baltimore, like they just have to win every single game to be for real.
[155:05]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's why I did that. Because I've done that a couple weeks and you're like, what the fuck? Why is every single week they have to be the win this game to be for real? I was trolling you, Max.
[155:13]
Max
Nope, nope, nope. That's me being dumb. That's me being dumb.
[155:15]
Big Cat
That's okay. That's okay. I'LL do you think you'll win this game? The Ravens do stop the run very well. Are you worried Jalen Herz maybe has to win this game?
[155:26]
Max
Tough game.
[155:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[155:28]
Max
This is obviously a tough game. I'm not going to overreact one way or the other. Other, actually.
[155:33]
Big Cat
No.
[155:33]
Max
I will so overreact if they win this game. If they win this game, they're favorites to win the Super Bowl. But I'm telling myself I will not overreact if they lose this game. It's going to be a close one. Sirianni hasn't coached too well with decision making in close games. I still, I do think Sirianni is coaching very well right now. I'm worried about a close game. I think this game might come come down to the kickers. There's two kickers that haven't been great this year that are historically good. I think. I think the kickers are gonna. Are gonna be a factor in this game. That's my take.
[156:07]
Hank
Okay.
[156:07]
Big Cat
Okay. Okay.
[156:08]
Hank
I would say the winner of this game, I would put them firmly as the second most likely team to win the super bowl in each conference.
[156:15]
Big Cat
Yes. Yes. No, I. If the Eagles win this game, I don't know why they wouldn't be just as likely as the Lions.
[156:24]
Hank
The Lions are better at everything.
[156:25]
Max
They're that way right now.
[156:26]
Big Cat
Time.
[156:26]
PFT Commenter
But.
[156:28]
Max
Okay, wait, wait a minute. You said if the Eagles win this game, they're second most likely.
[156:32]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, they already are. But I. Yeah, I. I'm with you, Max, in the fact that I. I know the Lions have been killing teams, and I know the Lions look really good, but I think the Eagles, like, if those two teams play, will k. It will matter a lot where they play. Cause if the Eagles can somehow get the one seed, I think that changes the entire dynamic of the NFC playoffs. But I think that's as evenly matched a game as you can get.
[156:59]
Max
Yeah, I agree.
[157:00]
Big Cat
Okay.
[157:01]
Max
We're all, we're all on the same page if the.
[157:03]
Big Cat
Except pft. This will be a fun game.
[157:05]
Max
This will be a fun game to see where. Where everyone's at. See where the Ravens are at. See where the Eagles are at.
[157:10]
Big Cat
PFT is not on the same page with you in terms of where the Lions are versus the Eagles. He thinks the Lions are way, way, way, way, way better.
[157:18]
Hank
I just think they're the best team in the nf.
[157:20]
Max
Well, yeah, and then you just said that they were better at every facet. And then we looked at the stats and you were just wrong.
[157:24]
Hank
So I was wrong. About that. That's. That's correct.
[157:27]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[157:27]
Memes
More wrong evidence.
[157:29]
Big Cat
So your.
[157:30]
Max
Your opinion might not.
[157:31]
Big Cat
Don't take the bait there matter.
[157:32]
Hank
I know. I think my opinion matters. National sports podcast. I think that you're being a little disrespectful of the city of Detroit and everything that the Lions have accomplished this season. They're a historically good football team right now. It's a great story. I'm rooting for my underdogs up in Detroit and I'm still showing respect to the Eagles.
[157:49]
Memes
No, it's not.
[157:50]
Max
I. I don't think you are. And I'm not saying that the, like the. I'm not saying that the Eagles are better than the Lions. I'm just saying that the Eagles and the Lions need to be on in the same conversation.
[158:02]
Hank
We're literally having that conversation right now.
[158:04]
Big Cat
I think the Lions are better than the Eagles, I think.
[158:06]
Max
But I'm forced to that conversation.
[158:08]
Big Cat
Yeah, I think the Lions are better than the Eagles right now. I think the. The difference between the two teams is razor him.
[158:14]
Max
I'm fine with that.
[158:15]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[158:16]
Max
I'm fine with that. But the other national podcasts around the world are not saying that. They're saying it's the Lions and then everybody else.
[158:23]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[158:23]
Max
And I just wanted to say that I don't think that's the case.
[158:25]
Hank
Yeah, no, I think that.
[158:27]
Big Cat
Well, you got to win this game to prove it.
[158:28]
Hank
Listen, especially if. If the Eagles get the one seed and Detroit has to go in the cold to Philadelphia, I would say that that's about as close to a toss up game as you can get.
[158:36]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[158:37]
Hank
Is that good enough for you?
[158:38]
Max
Yeah, that's fine. I'll accept that.
[158:39]
Big Cat
Okay. All right, that's great.
[158:42]
Hank
Up. You're going to drive me crazy. You're going to drive me absolutely insane. Can you imagine looking across the Thanksgiving table at. At Hank?
[158:50]
Big Cat
No.
[158:50]
Hank
Knowing he's betting against all your Thanksgiving smiling games.
[158:53]
Big Cat
Yeah, just. Just smirking. All right, last game and then we'll do our picks and we'll get to Kirk Cousins. Niners at bills. Bills minus six and a half. Over under. Six over under. Sorry. 46. I don't really. We're taping this on Tuesday. This game you can't handicap or talk about if you don't know if Brock Purdy's playing or not.
[159:09]
Hank
Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen.
[159:11]
Big Cat
It's a Bill's route if he's not playing.
[159:12]
Hank
If it's Brandon Allen again. Yeah. Take the Bills for everything. If it's Brock Purdy probably still also take the Bills.
[159:19]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:19]
Hank
Because I think the 49ers are broken.
[159:21]
Big Cat
Here's a stat that I was. I read but I didn't fact check. So if it's wrong, whatever, I don't care. Doug McDermott or sorry, Sean McDermott. Sean McDermott and Josh Allen are 19 and 2 in the regular season in December and January regular season games. So they finished the seasons very strong.
[159:44]
Hank
Is there any chance also might not be true. Wait, are you pulling up something about Daniel Jones right now? Just trying to see if there's a chance he goes to the Niners.
[159:52]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[159:52]
Hank
Because I was going to say that seems like it seems like a fit for him. Right. It seems like Kyle Shanahan would like a quarterback as a backup like that. It's certainly a lot better than. Than Brandon Allen, but he wants to play for a contender. I don't know if you can call the 49ers a contender right now. Like even with Brock Purdy, would you say that the 49ers.
[160:08]
Big Cat
No, I've, I've been on the 49ers are broken for a month now and I, yeah, I don't, I haven't seen like even in their wins. They've played with their food and they're in some of their wins. They're just. Yeah. I don't think they're. I think they're broken. I think they're just having a really bad season from hell where everything's gone wrong and it's. It. I don't expect them to.
[160:29]
Hank
Yeah.
[160:30]
Big Cat
Was that just. That was. Pug is like over 4 since I.
[160:33]
Hank
Complimented it went to his head.
[160:35]
Big Cat
Just random noise while we're talking. So. All right, should we do our picks? Our picks. Let's do our TD parlay first. Brought to you by DraftKings gambling problem.
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[161:28]
Big Cat
Sponsored by DraftKings. Who's In? Is it? Who's picking? We all. We all sucked last week.
[161:34]
Memes
Do we all miss?
[161:35]
Big Cat
I think we all miss.
[161:36]
Memes
So then we should stick with the three that one.
[161:39]
Big Cat
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[161:58]
Memes
T. Higgins, Jonathan Taylor.
[162:01]
Hank
Ah, I had a conviction one, but Big Cat made me feel less convicted about it. Oh, no, because I was going to say Jamar Chase. I will audible. No, no, no, no, no. You had. You had the conviction. You had the conviction.
[162:15]
Big Cat
Jamar Chase is more like some conviction. Yeah, yeah. Conviction.
[162:20]
Hank
Drake London.
[162:22]
Big Cat
That's good conviction. Okay. That's going to be some good odds. Let's win this one. Let's win this one. All right, our picks. Our picks. So we obviously just did our 1 pick for Thanksgiving, so we don't know what the records are as we're taping this one, but. So I go first. Am I going first? I will take first up. Give me the Seahawks minus two and a half.
[162:49]
Hank
Okay.
[162:51]
Memes
I will take the Steelers, Bengals under 47.
[162:56]
Fred Smoot
Ravens Eagles over 51.
[163:02]
Max
Max, I will take the Rams.
[163:09]
PFT Commenter
Yeah.
[163:11]
Big Cat
Wait, who. Yeah, Pft gets two.
[163:14]
Hank
I'm going to take the Saints plus three and then I'm going to take the Seahawks jets over. Has that been taken?
[163:26]
Big Cat
No, I don't think so.
[163:27]
Hank
Seahawks jets over 41 and a half.
[163:29]
Max
Okay, Max, I am going to take the. Wait, did you take Seahawks jets over.
[163:36]
Big Cat
Yeah. Or hitter over?
[163:39]
Max
Which one over? I. I will. I will take that under.
[163:42]
Hank
Okay, so Max and I are going head to head on two picks.
[163:45]
Big Cat
Love that. Love that.
[163:48]
Max
Oh, wait, what's it. Oh, that's big. I mean, this. This could be everything.
[163:52]
Hank
This might. This might be the weekend that cost one of us the bachelor party.
[163:55]
Big Cat
Or given the way we've all picked, you guys go one on one.
[164:00]
Hank
Yeah, possibly.
[164:01]
Big Cat
I mean, that's been. We're really bad. We go 500 or worse. Okay, memes. I'm going prime time. James plus five and a half. Love it.
[164:10]
Memes
I'm gonna go Will Levis and the Titans plus five and a half.
[164:16]
Big Cat
Okay. Has anyone. The Patriots, Colts over 42 and a half.
[164:22]
Memes
No, but I like it.
[164:24]
Big Cat
Yeah. Okay. They just play over games. Okay. Should we finish up with with fantasy boys before we get to Kirk Cousins? Brought to you by body armor. This segment segment is brought to you by body armor. Real hydration, real ingredients packed with electrolytes, vitamins, and nothing artificial. Body armor sports drinks has great tasting flavors like strawberry banana and blue raspberry. Not only do we hydrate with body armor, but some of the best athletes in the world do as well, like Christian McCaffrey, Joe Burrow, and Sabrina Ionescu. So go get your body armor today at your Walmart or local grocery store near you. Okay.
[164:58]
Memes
Oi, oi, oi, oi. Hey, it's Johnny Salami. Didn't even know we were doing this week. My stardom. Leftovers.
[165:07]
Big Cat
Leftovers. Good.
[165:08]
Hank
Start them. Good stardom.
[165:10]
Memes
You probably paused the podcast. You listen to this on Friday. You got the leftovers in the fridge. Get up, go put some in the microwave, get yourself a nice meal.
[165:18]
Big Cat
Love it.
[165:19]
Memes
Good for. For the whole weekend. My situm is Drake.
[165:22]
Big Cat
Drake.
[165:23]
Memes
I don't know what the this guy's doing.
[165:24]
Hank
It's a.
[165:25]
Memes
It's a rap battle and he's going to court, getting lawyers involved. What a loser. I remember back in rap, back in my days, people ended up dead over rap battles. Not in court.
[165:34]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[165:35]
Hank
Or locked in Diddy's basement.
[165:36]
Memes
Yeah.
[165:37]
Big Cat
What are your thoughts on Diddy?
[165:40]
Hank
Bad guy.
[165:41]
Big Cat
Okay.
[165:41]
Hank
Kill Biggie.
[165:42]
Big Cat
Bad guy.
[165:43]
Memes
Killed Biggie. Killed a lot of people. My sleeper.
[165:49]
Fred Smoot
Jonathan Taylor.
[165:50]
Hank
Yeah, there you go.
[165:51]
Big Cat
Okay, Good, good.
[165:51]
Memes
He hasn't scored in two weeks.
[165:53]
Big Cat
Nice.
[165:54]
Memes
He hasn't scored in two weeks. He's due PMT parlay pick.
[165:58]
Big Cat
Nice.
[165:58]
Memes
Jonathan Taylor.
[165:59]
Big Cat
Nice.
[166:00]
Hank
That's a great pick. That's a great pick. I love it. Hey, what's up? This is Sean Stellato.
[166:05]
Big Cat
Nice. What's up, Sean?
[166:07]
Hank
I definitely knew that we were doing fantasy this week.
[166:09]
Big Cat
Same with me.
[166:10]
Hank
And I'm not. I'm not stalling before I get to my first one. I'm just saying, for. For the record, some of us come prepared to this podcast. Like me.
[166:17]
Big Cat
Facts.
[166:18]
Hank
Sean Stellato. I'm starting deep frying your turkey.
[166:21]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:22]
Hank
Deep fry that Friday toss. Toss that Friday Toss that bitch in the oil.
[166:27]
Big Cat
Make sure.
[166:27]
Hank
Hey, safety first.
[166:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:29]
Hank
Make sure you fry it indoors. Make sure you don't defrost the turkey at all. And make sure you drop it in all at once.
[166:37]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:37]
Hank
That's the key to having a real great, safe, delicious, juicy, deep fried turkey.
[166:43]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[166:44]
Hank
My situm this week is Gonna be Drake. Because Drake's a. Drake doesn't know what he's doing. And guess what? Now he just made a very, very powerful, powerful enemy out of most of the listening public. And we're gonna find out about this Kendrick Lamar song and listen to it even more.
[167:01]
Memes
Yeah, the braids.
[167:03]
Hank
And he's going to be going on. Kendrick's going to be at the super bowl in Lil Wayne's house trashing everybody. Big year for Kendrick Lamar.
[167:11]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[167:11]
Hank
Love that guy. And then my sleeper this week is going to be Drake London. That guy's going to catch. That guy's going to catch multiple touchdowns, possibly from Kirk Cousins.
[167:21]
Big Cat
Yep.
[167:22]
Hank
Good Italian guy, Kirk. And he's gonna be throwing to Drake in the end zone. Yeah, I'm sleeping.
[167:27]
Big Cat
Drake. Drink.
[167:27]
Hank
And I'm sitting. Drink.
[167:28]
Big Cat
Okay. So what's up, guys? It's Anthony Lasagna. I knew we were doing this too. I just thought we were doing it, but I didn't prepare anything either. Well, no, I did prepare something. Oh, my fan, my stardom is rivalry week.
[167:44]
Hank
Yeah.
[167:44]
Big Cat
Yeah. These two teams don't like each other. They're gonna play in rivalries all weekend. It's gonna be sick.
[167:49]
Hank
Throw out the record book when Texas and Texas A and M get together.
[167:52]
Big Cat
Yeah. My sister them is gonna be shorts. Why? It's Wednesday's official start of no shorts.
[168:00]
Hank
Oh, really?
[168:01]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[168:01]
Memes
Summer's over.
[168:02]
Hank
Keep your beers outside.
[168:03]
Big Cat
Yeah. And my sleeper is Drake Bulldogs, the college basketball team. They're 6 0. Love that they won the Charleston tournament.
[168:11]
Hank
The good, the bad, the ugly for Drake's this week.
[168:12]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all of them.
[168:15]
Hank
Very cool.
[168:16]
Big Cat
That was fancy, boys. Before we get to Kirk cousin, I breaking moose. Breaking moose. Breaking moose. I just got a text message from Big Dom.
[168:30]
Hank
Oh, yeah.
[168:32]
Big Cat
You listening, Max? Big Dom, text me. It was just a picture of the Rizzler and he said, how are you, bro? Tell Max I have some Eagles gear for him. Love this kid. He could be my son. Oh, that's all. Love this kid. He could be my son. Just so you know, is about the Rizzler, Max.
[168:52]
Hank
Oh, it's not about Max.
[168:53]
Big Cat
No, that's about the Rizzler. But he has Eagles gear for you. That was the picture of the Rizzler. And then he said, I love this kid. He could be my son. Yeah. Yeah. But he's got Eagles gear for you.
[169:02]
Max
Yeah, Big Dom's the best. I'll always take the Eagles gear. I get great compliments on all the Eagles gear that he sends me.
[169:07]
Big Cat
He is the best. He is the best. Okay, let's do our interview with Kirk. Cut.
[169:12]
Hank
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[170:16]
PFT Commenter
And now for something completely different.
[170:20]
Fred Smoot
How about this backdrop I got?
[170:22]
Big Cat
It's sick.
[170:22]
Hank
It is nice.
[170:23]
Big Cat
Yeah, I like this.
[170:25]
Fred Smoot
A fake.
[170:25]
Big Cat
It's.
[170:25]
Fred Smoot
Although it's a green screen, but that's a literal backdrop.
[170:27]
Big Cat
That's real.
[170:28]
Fred Smoot
That's real.
[170:30]
Big Cat
Holy it.
[170:31]
Fred Smoot
Is it a real wall?
[170:31]
Big Cat
Like, like, this is like a you're in the future touch. We should just start the interview right now.
[170:38]
Hank
Is that.
[170:38]
Big Cat
It's Kirk Cousins, a recurring guest friend of the program.
[170:41]
Hank
Is that Ellie Cousins or is that textured? Can you touch that? Because I want to know the one.
[170:45]
Fred Smoot
Like my. Like, I can go. I can go back here.
[170:48]
Big Cat
Yeah, like, that's sick.
[170:51]
Fred Smoot
Like, my hand can go behind the falcon.
[170:54]
Big Cat
Okay. All right, so this first question is actually perfect. First question going from. Oh, clap. Can we run everything? All right, so we'll just jump right in. Kirk Cousins with us. Recurring guest. How was the switch from purple to black? Because I mean, like, you had to get a whole new wardrobe, right?
[171:12]
Fred Smoot
Oh, my goodness. It was a. It was a big switch. The wardrobe. You know, I'd love to tell you that was the biggest challenge, but there were a lot of other challenges with switching teams. But yes, certainly the wardrobe. I heard A lot of high school friends who said, man, Kirk, I. I bought the Michigan State stuff, then I bought the Washington stuff, then I bought the Minnesota stuff. Now I gotta buy Falcon stuff. So I think I've cost my family and family friends a lot of money over the years switching teams. But, yeah, the. The wardrobe changed. We kind of took a lot of our purple and gold stuff and had to drop it off at my neighbor's house in Minnesota and say, hey, you guys can go through this because we'll keep a few things as mementos, but the rest we. We don't really have a use for anymore.
[171:53]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[171:53]
Hank
Yeah. How did you feel the first time you put on the all? I always think of the Mike Vick era all black Falcons uniform.
[172:01]
Fred Smoot
I like the swagger the Falcons have always had. I mean, you mentioned Mike Vick. You mentioned Deion Sanders is another one that comes to mind. I love our throwbacks wear with the red helmets. I grew up in the Chicago suburbs. Barrington is where I would have gone to high school before he moved to Michigan, and we were red and black. And so I kind of takes me back to my childhood growing up in Barrington, outside Chicago. So I love it. And, you know, you always look a little better when you're winning and playing well, so that's. That's usually what you got to do.
[172:29]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[172:29]
Hank
Yeah.
[172:29]
Big Cat
You're a Blackhawks fan, so you got.
[172:30]
PFT Commenter
You.
[172:31]
Big Cat
You can just cross over like that. It's perfect. Sweet. I want to go back to something because you said you would say that the switching colors is the hardest part about joining a new team, but it wasn't. What is the hardest part about joining a new team? Because I don't even. I don't think that's ever kind of crossed my mind. Players, especially someone who's been in the league for as long as you've been in the league and had a success to be like, all right, now I got to kind of not start over, but kind of start over. Right? Yeah.
[172:57]
Fred Smoot
So I used to joke with my wife when I was in Minnesota. I would say, I don't know if I'm putting pressure on myself to play well because I want to play well or if it's because I never want to move again.
[173:06]
Big Cat
Right. Yeah, right.
[173:07]
Fred Smoot
Because moving, moving from Washington to Minnesota, it was really difficult to start over, you know. Nice to meet you. I'm Kirk. You know, tell me how to call the plays. Tell me, you know, who my teammates are. What do they do? Well, you just. You start over from scratch, and you're In. I was in year seven, but I felt like a rookie. And it felt like it took a whole season to get to a place where you go, okay, I really have been here. I'm established, I'm one of the guys. It took time, but now I'm here. And I knew when you change teams, you have to take that on. So it wasn't a surprise. But there's no easy way to do it. You can't just snap your fingers and make up for the last, last, you know, several years of not being there. So I worked as hard as I could this off season to create that. I thought we did a good job, but that's just a big challenge is. And then you have all the off the field stuff of finding a house and moving and living out of boxes for a while. But it's amazing because you see on the ticker, like, you know, even like NBA or Major League Baseball, so and so, you know, is traded or so and so switches teams. It's just kind of like a simple thing. And the next night you see them in a different jersey. But yeah, we all kind of forget get all that goes with that.
[174:14]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[174:15]
Hank
In baseball season, I always wonder how long it takes them to figure out the new individualized personal handshakes that you have with everybody on the team. That would be. And you strike me as a guy that would want to say hi to everybody at the facility. Like every employee, try to learn their names. How do you learn names? Do you have a trick?
[174:32]
Fred Smoot
Yeah, I wish I had a trick like Michael Scott in the office, but pretty much just try to memorize. And when I got here, I asked for like, basically like a yearbook printout of different staff so I could, you know, start to try to learn names. But even that, like the NFL staffs from when I was in Washington to now, it feels like they've doubled in size. And so every staff, the strength staff, the training room, the PR team, it's just so many more people. And that's a good thing, but it's also a lot more people to get to know.
[175:00]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[175:01]
Hank
How is the Achilles feeling? And do you have any words of wisdom for your Sunday Night Football broadcasting partner, Mike Tirico?
[175:10]
Fred Smoot
Yeah. And fellow Michigander. Just learned. Just learned that he tore his Achilles. Crazy. But yeah, maybe Achilles were torn at the same rate 20 years ago, but it feels like something you hear a lot more about now than we did when I was growing up. But it's coming along. It's been great. I'm really grateful that I've Been able to play this whole season and was able to go through all the training camp and really much of OTAs, and so. So, you know, the injury was a setback. It was a lot of unknowns. But now looking back, I'm grateful that, you know, it was really more of a bump in the road than a true detour in. In this football journey.
[175:46]
Big Cat
Yeah, I mean, it's also. I mean, you tore your Achilles on a NFL football field. I feel like most guys our age, we tear our Achilles doing, like, the dumbest things possible. I'm very nervous that it's like, we play pickup hoops every Friday here.
[176:00]
Hank
Time bomb.
[176:01]
Big Cat
I'm just waiting for it to happen.
[176:02]
Fred Smoot
And just know that's not a good feeling. I. When I'm retired, I'm going to play pickup basketball and a lot of tennis, and I kind of worry about my other one. I don't worry as much about my surgically repaired one because it's pretty locked down, but the other one I wonder about, so we'll see. But honestly, I love sports so much, and I love playing. It's. It's worth the risk, as you guys know.
[176:24]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. So. All right, so grade this take for us because you, you know, you're having a great season. The Falcons are top of the NFC south right now. Now, go back, though, to week one, we thought, okay, Kirk coming back from an Achilles injury, then having to face TJ Watt was probably not the funnest game possible. And that, like, we. I think we said the. The Monday show that we did, we're like, look, it would. It looked like it was maybe a little too fast just to start, but he'll be fine. And you could see that as the weeks went on. It's like, you got your feet back to you. You got your mind back to you. Is that fair to say that? It was like, holy shit. Being out and having an achill new Achilles that I have to trust in the pocket against TJ Watt is not exactly how I wanted to start the season.
[177:07]
Fred Smoot
I think you were spot on, but probably less so about the Achilles and more just. Period. Just. Just being out since the previous year. Week eight. Yeah, it did feel like, all right, I got to get some rust off. If I had a fully healthy Achilles that never tore and I had been out since week eight, the year before, there was still an element of. Of or. That was. The element was I gotta. You know, this. Gotta get familiar again. Wearing a red jersey in practice, not playing in a preseason game. It was a big jump to the Real deal. And then we played, like you said, a really good defense that has kind of proven all year to be one of the better in the league. So that was. That was something that I was like, okay, this needs to get back here quickly. And even in Philly the next week, another good defense. Yeah, you know, we did okay. We moved the football, but it was really the last drive of the game in the two minute, that started to feel like, okay, we're starting to. I'm starting to get more comfortable. And. And the NFL season is so much of a roller coaster. You have weeks where you think you figured it out, and then you have a week that sets you back, and you wonder if you can even gain a yard. And so it kind of goes the whole gamut, but certainly do feel like, you know, I've worked my way back now, and that's a good feeling. To know that after all we went through last year, tearing it and rehabbing it, feel like, okay, I'm back now. Is. That's. That's encouraging and what you always wanted.
[178:18]
Big Cat
Yeah. So talking about the roller coaster, how do you. How do you stay even keel during a NF season? Because from where we sit, if, like, the Bears lose a game or pretty much any game I watch, I'm like, oh, that team stinks forever. And then I just write them off. Or, like, a team wins, you're like, that's the best team I've ever seen in my life. We don't really emotionally stay even keel. So how the hell are you? Are you able to do it week in and week out?
[178:46]
Fred Smoot
I wish I could tell you I do it well. I know what I need to do now. Whether or not I do it is a different story. It's hard not to ride the roller coaster. It's hard. You know, I internalize the losses, and you take them hard. And sometimes, you know, like Bill Walsh, I heard he used to take the losses really, really hard, but he did not celebrate the wins in the other direction. It was sort of like a win got you back to zero, and then a loss was like, negative 10.
[179:13]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[179:14]
Fred Smoot
You only kind of live in the negatives or at zero. And I can relate to that. Like, the win never really takes you to plus 10. You just always feel like, okay, we got the next game, and we got to get the next one, and. But the loss is hurt. And so it does beat you up. It is a roller coaster, but you do try to just, okay, one game at a time, stay the course. Each game counts as its own entity. You Kind of tell yourself the same messaging. And Mike Shanahan told me my rookie year, I think it was Kyle Shanahan used the phrase a lot, too. He would say, tough times don't last. Tough people do. And so I would just always say that to myself, you just got to get back up, get on the horse one more time, choose to be a tough person and. And believe that if you do that, you'll last and that the tough time will pass. And, you know, that's always kind of helped me through the tough losses.
[179:58]
Hank
Yeah. Michael Silver was on our show a few weeks ago, and he shared a pretty interesting story about your time in D.C. he said that after you got in and you started playing pretty well as a backup for RG3, but when he would be hurt, you'd fill in, you'd do a great job. That. In his exit interview, Mike Shanahan went to Dan Snyder and said. Said you should make Kirk the starting quarterback of the team, and you should trade Robert, because you're never going to get as high a price for Robert, and Kirk's actually the guy that you want to build around moving forward. Did you get that sense at the time that. That he was, like, all in on you?
[180:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[180:35]
Fred Smoot
I don't know the details of those conversations. I. I know when I was drafted, their message was, we really believe in you. That's why we kind of picked you in an unconventional manner. But our plan would be to trade you in a few years that you. If you can play well in preseason games, you would really help us, because then you can become an asset, and we can trade you for a draft pick that we can get or whatever. So. But then as. As we went, they always were very affirming, encouraging, believed in me, and that's really continued, you know, even long after they left Washington. I've always kind of viewed coach Mike Shanahan as a mentor, and I'll always reach out to him, you know, to get his input on things. But, yeah, someday we'll have to all go back and kind of rehash those. Those years in Washington. But it helps to always have people in your corner. And I do think that that Mike and. And Kyle and Matt LaFleur and Sean McVeigh, Mike McDaniel, you know, even Raheem Morris, you know, he was. He was there, too. Like, they were all in my corner, and that. That really helped me believe in myself, because at the time, I think you even wonder, like, am I good enough to play in this league? And when you have them telling you you are. It really helps.
[181:40]
Big Cat
Yeah, that. That's crazy that you got drafted. And they're like, hey, you're an asset and we're not going to play you. And then obviously end up playing. But that's got to be a weird feeling because you. You want to play football.
[181:48]
Fred Smoot
I think it's pro football. I think that's the way it is. I mean, I remember going to Michigan State and. And signing your scholarship and feeling like, okay, I'm the quarterback in this recruiting class. I'm going to be the guy to kind of lead this group of freshmen coming in next year. And two weeks later, Coach Dantonio calls me and says, hey, change of plans. We're going to take a second quarterback. His name's Nick Foles. He's going to sign here this weekend. And you're like, oh, okay. So you realize pretty quickly, like, we're all just assets, and people are going to do what they need to do to kind of build up their team. And it may. It may not be in your best interest, but you've got to always just compete and do the best you can. And in that case, it worked out for me and Nick both. But, yeah, it was kind of from day one of college football, like, okay, it's a competition, and you got to earn your spot every day. And it's kind of been that way now for. For, I guess, 18 years now.
[182:36]
Hank
He gave you those anger issues at Michigan State where you had to go and beat up the entire hockey team.
[182:40]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[182:41]
Fred Smoot
Yeah. Oh, my goodness. People don't know these backstories like you do, so you may have to go into detail later. But, yeah, I wake up one morning. We played Ohio State the night before. I wake up the next day. I stay with my family in a hotel near campus because they stayed in town after the game. And I come to find out that it's being reported that I led a fight on campus at the local hockey house. And to this day, I have no idea why my name got brought up as the ringleader. But all my teammates thought it was hilarious because they actually know me.
[183:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[183:10]
Fred Smoot
And they were going to sell T shirts that said, I party with Kirk Cousins on the back. It would say late nights and hockey fights, but, yeah. And so they like to report on the news and everything, but there was nothing to it, and so it died. But, yeah, that's pretty good that you would even know that. That was, like, 20 years ago.
[183:26]
Hank
The bad boy reputation don't.
[183:28]
Big Cat
With Kirk Cousins. Wait, so going back to, like, going to Michigan State and the Nick Foles. If you were in today's college football and that happened, would you have transferred? Because I do think that there's a weird.
[183:38]
Fred Smoot
What a great question.
[183:39]
Hank
Yeah, great question.
[183:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. Because it's a weird thing that happens now where I think guys might give up a little too quickly and look for somewhere they can start right away. And they don't realize that staying with a program and seeing it out is very beneficial in a lot of ways.
[183:54]
Fred Smoot
So the what ifs I've asked myself are, would I have transferred right away? Potentially missed out on a lot. What if I had had the chance to transfer after my first year starting or my second year starting and just said, you know, hey, I'm going to go to the best opportunity. It may be Michigan State, it may not. Like, I don't know. I think you kind of would have missed out on what it means to be a Michigan State Spartan and to kind of have that as your program the rest of your life. You know, it may have been more lucrative to switch teams, but. But just seems like it's just a totally different world. It's one I didn't live in, and so it's hard for me to put myself there. And asking yourself those questions makes you realize how different college football is now.
[184:34]
Big Cat
I know it's crazy.
[184:35]
Hank
I mean, there's a chance that you go somewhere else and it's the perfect situation for you. And that's all well and good, but there's also the aspect of if you stay at a program for a while, you get that whole network of people that you have to be in touch with for the rest of your life.
[184:46]
Fred Smoot
Well, we started this interview talking about how much I don't like to move. So, yeah, true, maybe I wouldn't have wanted to leave, but no. Remember thinking, okay, once I signed my scholarship, at that time, if I transfer, I have to sit out a year, right? And who knows in a year what could happen? So I remember feeling, like, pretty stuck. Like, okay, I've. I've got to make this work, or plan on sitting out a year. And what ended up happening was Nick just. It really wasn't that I had beat him out. The competition really hadn't even gotten started yet. But he transferred to Arizona, and that's what he had to do. He had to sit out a year, and he was patient and then ended up playing there and ended up getting drafted ahead of me, so. So, you know, it all worked out for everybody. But, yeah, you're just. It was a long, long journey.
[185:28]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[185:29]
Hank
Yeah. What, what kind of car are you driving now, Kirk? I remember you used to have that sick ass minivan. It was nice. It was a good minivan.
[185:34]
Fred Smoot
So I still have that conversion van. Not back. Sorry, not that conversion van. That conversion van is totaled. But I had to double down and I went to the like, conversion van Explorer vans in, in northwest Indiana. I went to their, like, factory and I, like, went through and I picked out all the specs I want. So I've got like the full like moon roof.
[185:56]
Big Cat
Hell yeah.
[185:57]
Fred Smoot
Like the bucket seats that can swivel like.
[186:00]
Hank
Yeah.
[186:00]
Fred Smoot
Perfect for like road tripping with your family to big ten college football games. So I still have that style of conversion van, but it's not my daily driver like it used to be when I was in D.C. so the Daily drivers, Mercedes Benz. I got a great partnership here with them in Atlanta, which is a sweet deal when you, when you move here and you realize that playing quarterback for the Falcons, you get to drive a Mercedes. That was, that was awesome.
[186:22]
Big Cat
Yeah, they got the Sprinters.
[186:24]
Hank
If you ever are looking to seriously upgrade, get one of those Sprinters with like, you know, the four rows in it, trick that thing out.
[186:30]
Fred Smoot
I feel like that's almost like above my brand. Like, I'm more of a true conversion van guy. The minute you go to like sprinter van style, that's like another altitude.
[186:39]
Big Cat
Yeah. I mean, you, you're driving around a sprinter van, you're just expecting like a drunk bachelor party to try to get in at any point. Like, if you stop too long at a red light, the. I want a conversion van so bad. I'm, I'm jealous. I know. I want so bad. I, I, I, I tell my wife that I'm like, I'm gonna, we're gonna get a conversion van or an RV like later on in life and just drive around America. And she's like, well, not with me. So I think that'll be the end of our marriage.
[187:02]
Fred Smoot
But my wife, my wife did not like the concept. And she, she's usually right about everything, but on this one, she'll admit she's like, you know what? This conversion man is pretty sweet. You sit high, it's comfortable. The boys always have entertainment. There's plenty of room. We can pack a lot. We drove it when I, when I signed with the Falcons, like, the day I was, it was out that I was going to sign with Atlanta. We were in the van and road tripping to Atlanta from Michigan. So, like, we even did the conversion van road trip to come be a Falcon that's awesome.
[187:32]
Hank
I love that.
[187:33]
Big Cat
I love that. So the. We haven't talked to you since you were on quarterback on Netflix. What is. Has it changed at all? I mean, I think we all watched it, and we're like, like, Kirk Cousin is just like, a really awesome dude. Like, that was kind of our takeaway. Like, they, you know, it. Whatever you think about him. And we were watching him, it's like, yeah, he's, you know, he's getting his sweat sweaters from, you know, Kohl's or Target, and, like, he's just an awesome dude. So has anything changed at, like, your. The perception that you feel or even your wife getting recognized? Like, has anything changed from that?
[188:04]
Fred Smoot
Yeah, you said it. My wife was kind of the star of the show besides Patrick Mahomes, and she definitely gets recognized a lot more, which is fun. And I think people getting to know me is what's really fun about it, because you don't get a chance to. For your fans to get to know you just playing for the team. They know you as a football player, but they don't know you as a person. And I felt like that show in one way or another just kind of helped people who have followed me or followed other teams I've played on on to get to know me a little better, which was a huge win. And then also just for posterity's sake, like, my boys are pretty young, so in 10 years, to be able to pull up that show and say, hey, boys, you want to kind of go down memory lane and kind of see some of what dad did in the 2022 football season, I think that'll be valuable. Content to have. So that's kind of fun, too.
[188:57]
PFT Commenter
Is.
[188:58]
Fred Smoot
And a win coming out of it.
[188:59]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[188:59]
Hank
Your home movies are on Netflix.
[189:01]
Big Cat
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
[189:03]
Fred Smoot
Well said.
[189:03]
Big Cat
Really.
[189:04]
Hank
It's in the cloud. I like that. Yeah, I. I read that you're a big musical guy, and have you had a chance to see Wicked yet?
[189:10]
Fred Smoot
So you are on it. And I just appreciate the research you've done because you're. You're hitting all the. All the main points. Saw Wicked last Thursday. We run our bye week. Got to go. Brought the boys. I had a hard time because I was singing along to all the songs in the movie theater. I don't think the people around me like that, but I was waiting for my wife to, like, nudge me, and she never really did, so I just kept singing. But I was in, like, a high school swing choir at my high school, and we sang the Wicked song. So, like, I learned them without having seen the musical. Then I saw the musical in college, and so when the movie came out, I had to go, yeah, it's awesome, but it's just part one. I didn't know that. I thought it was the whole story, but it's just part one. And then the conclusion comes out next year at this time. So. Big musical guy. My mom put us in musicals growing up. We went to a bunch of musicals growing up. Just love it.
[190:02]
Big Cat
That's.
[190:02]
Hank
You should be in the second one.
[190:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[190:04]
Hank
Like, as an extra.
[190:06]
Fred Smoot
So I was trying to get in Happy Gilmore, too, but they were taping in New Jersey during the season, so I couldn't get there. So it's not a bad idea to try to get in a musical. But my dream is. Or not my dream, but like, a retirement goal is to be, like, a background person in, like, a local musical in my hometown and have, like, you know, the people come to the show and be like, is that that Cousins in the back there doing a box? I was like, yeah, that's. That's me. So on my many list of things to do in retirement, it'll be have a small role in a local musical.
[190:37]
Big Cat
I love that.
[190:38]
Hank
Yeah, that's great. You should get one in in Wicked, too, though. Like, I feel like there's somebody out.
[190:42]
Fred Smoot
There like your guys. Platform is a great springboard to make this happen.
[190:46]
Big Cat
Yeah, we can get this done.
[190:47]
Hank
You want to get, like, the average dude football fan to go see Wicked, to put Kirk Cousins in the back of it.
[190:52]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah. We all show up.
[190:54]
Hank
Yeah. So. So how are you liking Atlanta? Things been going pretty good.
[190:57]
Big Cat
Yeah. What's. What's the.
[190:58]
Hank
The one thing that's different about the offense that you're running right now that was, like, the hardest to adjust to compared to Minnesota.
[191:06]
Fred Smoot
That's a good question. I think Zach Robinson, as our play caller, you know, is just a different person. I've had nine play callers in 13 years, and. And so that change has always been difficult, but what I've been fortunate to have is nine good play callers. So aside from the change, I've kind of always been around a guy who knows what he's talking about, knows what he's doing. It's just more about us kind of getting on the same page and meshing our backgrounds. And so that's partly what's happened with me and Zach is just kind of meshing our backgrounds. And that happens a little bit with the whole team. You know, like saying to Drake, London, and Darnell Mooney. Hey, here's what I've done in the past. What have you guys done in the past? What are your favorite routes? Here's my favorite routes. Here's what I did with Justin Jefferson. Do you think you can, you know, get comfortable doing that and just trying to get on the same page there? And even with the old line coach, you know, hey, do you like this run? Do you like that run? If I get this blitz on this run, do you want me to check to a different run, or do you want me to leave it on? Like. And sometimes, like, the O line coach in Minnesota would say, hey, check that run. Go to a different one. I then got here in OTAs, I started to check the run, and the O line coach is saying, why are you checking it? I like to run this run into that look. So you realize there's different philosophies, and you've kind of got to rewire your brain to learn what. What these coaches want to do. But it all works, you know, as. As long as everybody's on the same page and we know what they want. It. It. It. There's no one way to do it.
[192:23]
Hank
Yeah.
[192:25]
Big Cat
Should we talk about walking your trap? Take over your trap?
[192:28]
Fred Smoot
Absolutely. We should.
[192:31]
Big Cat
How. How do you think that's going right now? The. Because it was very funny, the press conference. I don't know if everyone was into it on the. In the. In the tunnel, but maybe. Maybe I read it wrong.
[192:42]
Fred Smoot
No, no, you. You actually are very perceptive. So I made the mistake. I. I did not. I didn't prep anybody.
[192:49]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[192:49]
Fred Smoot
So I just. I just sprung it on him. So, like, the front row, like, I'll never forget Zach Harrison, one of our D linemen, was, like, all about it. Look him in the eye. Totally like my hype man. And then I realized, like, the guy, like, five rows back can't even hear what I'm saying. So there was buy in, but, like, there wasn't good communication on my part to get the whole team on board.
[193:10]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[193:11]
Fred Smoot
But, like, the three guys that could hear me, we really had it going, you know? No, it's good. I remember when I was playing for the Vikings, we always used to bring this boombox out in the tunnel. I think a lot of teams do that, but they would play that rap sometimes. Walk in your trap, take over your trap if we went to an away game. And so at a press conference, they asked me about the importance of winning on the road, and that just came to mind, like. Yeah, I mean, you're supposed to walk into someone's trap and take over and. And one thing led to the next. Now we've actually lost our last two away games, so we've got. We've got some work to do on that front. But it's still a rallying crime. It doesn't change. Win or lose, it's still something you got to do in this league.
[193:49]
Big Cat
Yeah, we just. You just got to let everyone know that that's what you're going to be doing in the tunnel so we can get it.
[193:54]
Fred Smoot
I got to, like, brief them beforehand. Bringing it out of.
[193:57]
Hank
Yeah, but you can also use that for home games. Like, they're trying to walk into our trap.
[194:01]
Fred Smoot
Yeah, we can't let them.
[194:03]
Hank
This is my trap.
[194:04]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[194:04]
Fred Smoot
Defend our trap. Exactly. You're exactly right. And, yeah, as a guy with a musical background, I probably just assumed everybody's just going to jump into my chant and buy right in. But, you know, some guys didn't grow up doing musicals.
[194:16]
Big Cat
Work to be done. Yeah.
[194:18]
Hank
How awesome is it to just hand the ball to Bijon Robinson?
[194:20]
Big Cat
Oh, I was going to ask that.
[194:21]
Hank
Question and just watch what he does.
[194:24]
Fred Smoot
The mark of a great running back, among other traits, is can they make the first guy miss? And as I had a high school friend comment recently, they. They said he makes the first guy miss every time.
[194:35]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[194:36]
Fred Smoot
So it's. It's fun. I mean, and the thing is, I don't care if it's a pitch, if it's a handoff, if it's a pass, like, let's just get the ball in his hands. I used to say this about Dalvin Cook. Let's just get the ball in his hands and good things happen, especially if we get the ball in space. So he's having a great year playing at a really high level, and it's. It's just more about. As defenses are keying on him, how can we. How can we be creative and how can we get the ball in his hand in space so he can go do his thing?
[195:03]
Big Cat
Yeah. Yeah.
[195:03]
Hank
He's so much fun to watch.
[195:05]
Big Cat
So fun. People get mad at me because, like, every Monday when we do the recap, like, I'd say three minutes of the Falcons recap is just like. I love watching Bijan, like, everything he does, it just creates some of the moves.
[195:18]
Fred Smoot
He's got great hands.
[195:18]
Big Cat
He's.
[195:19]
Fred Smoot
He could. He could legitimately play wide receiver here in the NFL because he can run routes, he has late hands. He tracks the ball well. Well. But we found the best way to use him. I think is similar to how the Saints have used Kamara, which is, he's going to show up in the past game, but we don't need to make him a wide receiver. He's going to have receiving production just as a running back. And. And so, you know, I just think he's a big asset and, you know, and I kind of wonder what his ceiling is, you know, if we can continue to get him more and more productive to where he can really do some special things.
[195:50]
Hank
He's got that great dead leg where he puts the leg in the ground and then takes it away, and the guy just sprints past me. How did. How did that even happen? Does not compute.
[195:57]
Big Cat
Yeah. Oh, you got another question?
[195:59]
Hank
I was just gonna say it's. It's. It's Kirk Cousins revenge season coming up. Right now, you've got two revenge games, I think, both away games, right? So you're going at Minnesota, you're going at Washington, which is the biggest revenge game for you.
[196:14]
Fred Smoot
Well, I would say that while I'd love to win them, you know, and I said this when I went to Washington 22, like, there's just so much gratitude for what they did for me. Like, first of all, they drafted me. Washington. Second of all, they franchise tagged me tw Twice. Like, they. They changed my whole life. And then Minnesota, you know, much the same way, even more so. The way they brought me in for agency, you know, gave me a great contract, gave me great opportunity, gave me great coaches, great players around me for six years. And even on when I left, like, the way that Kwesi handled it, Kevin handled it, ownership, Rob Brzezinski, like, they just handled it so well. My agent would get off every call with them and just say, kirk, the Vikings are just handling it really well. They're being honest, they're being candid, they're being open. Like, it's just been a great process. And so, you know, it's. It. Yes, I want to win, but there's just so many people in that building that I care about. And so revenge probably wouldn't be the word as much as just, like, you know, wanting to go walk in their trap, I guess, and play well and do your thing. But. But. But, man, I. It's hard for me not to root for everybody there, too know.
[197:26]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[197:26]
Hank
Yeah. I mean, that's the perfect Kirk Cousins answer. It's like, it's. It's not. It's not a revenge game. You're too nice of a guy. You're like, when a. Like, somebody sees, like, A dog that they haven't seen in years, and the dog, like, freaks out, is super happy. See him? That's not. That's not revenge. That's like you. You just being Kirk Cousins. But I would. If you had revenge and, like, hate in your heart for those games, I would actually bet against you because I'd be like, that's not. I want Kirk to be Kirk, not to, like, have this giant chip on his shoulder on a everybody tour. Yeah, that would be concerning to me.
[197:56]
Big Cat
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[197:58]
Fred Smoot
Sometimes. Sometimes that Kirk still exists, though. Adam Thielen used to say, like, you know, we need that Dark Kirk. He would say, like, we need that. That Kirk who's like, you know, that you like that Kirk. So that guy's. That guy's still in there. I don't think you play as long as I've played unless that guy, you know, gets out every now and then and has some walking around money.
[198:16]
Hank
Yeah. When was the last time Dark Kirk came out?
[198:19]
Fred Smoot
I think it's a great question. It's happened this year. It's happened multiple times this year. Here.
[198:25]
Big Cat
Box game. Yeah, I feel like that was.
[198:27]
Fred Smoot
You probably have to ask my teammates a little bit. I've kind of gotten fiery in the. In the. In the. In the locker room pregame a little bit. So he's shown up and. And usually people respond well to it, you know, so. But you can't force it. You gotta let it happen.
[198:44]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[198:44]
Hank
How. How can we tell as viewers at home, when we might be witnessing Dark Kirk?
[198:50]
Fred Smoot
If you see me. If you see the veins in the neck, if you see me pointing my finger.
[198:55]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[198:56]
Fred Smoot
If you see me pointing my finger in someone's chest.
[198:58]
Big Cat
Oh.
[198:59]
Fred Smoot
If you see, you know, the scowl. If you see me pacing, Dark Kirk is starting to rise to the surface.
[199:07]
Big Cat
Okay. I love it.
[199:09]
Hank
Let me keep an eye out.
[199:09]
Big Cat
Yeah.
[199:10]
Fred Smoot
Sometimes the referee gets it. A lot of times the referee is the target, so that's another thing to look for.
[199:15]
Big Cat
Floor. All right, so, Kirk, this has been so much fun. We. We love having you on. I have one last question. It's a rollback question. Rhod.com promo code. Take 20 off your first purchase. Qzips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rollback.com promo code, take. I want to go back to one thing you said. Playing hoops when you retire. So we have a full gym in our office in Chicago. Yeah, yeah. So open invite. When you do retire, what should we expect from your game? If you come in and I. I would assume you just probably dominate Us.
[199:47]
Fred Smoot
I'm the high school version of Sean Livingston.
[199:50]
Big Cat
Okay, okay.
[199:51]
Fred Smoot
So I am a. I, I'm a tall high school point guard who's not overly twitchy. Usually the high school point guard is the quickest guy in the court. I'm way taller than the guy I'm guarding, but I have a great rate floor vision. Like my ability to pass, I see it, I see I'm pass ahead and then I'm great with the one handed pass. I'm great like inbounds plays. I'm the guy passing it from the sideline or from the baseline. And if I'm on the far baseline, go deep and I'm launching it all the way down the court. Don't really look for my own shot, but I'll probably give you six points a game and I'm going to communicate well on defense.
[200:32]
Big Cat
You sound like a dream. Yeah, you dream to play on pickup hoops. This is like the, like if you had to say the perfect teammate on pickup hoops as well. And like, and communicate. Calls out the picks.
[200:44]
Fred Smoot
Coach, coach. This is the conversation every day in the weight room. You know, oh, who was our starting five on the Falcons? Who's our starting five on the Vikings? For years you hear this and I'm like, guys, not everybody can go drop 30 points. So like, you want me on your starting five because I'm going to distribute. I'm going to bring the ball up the floor. I'm going to communicate on D. I'm going to be your backside help. Like you need that guy. So, you know, I, I kind of am like the Draymond for the Warriors. Like, I don't have to, you know, get this, get all the accolades. I'll just fill in where I can and still be pretty productive. But I said that to Drake London, who's a great basketball player. I said like, what's my NBA comp? And I kind of told him, you know, my game. And he goes, Sean Livingston. So I'm, I'm rolling with that. And then before I sign off, guys, I'm a big Jon Gruden guy.
[201:28]
Big Cat
Yes.
[201:29]
Fred Smoot
I go see him every year in Tampa. We watch tape together. He kind of challenges me, gases me up, tells me what I'm doing well, tells me what I'm not doing well. All the stuff he's done talking ball with you guys lately, I've just lived that for years with him. It's so good. So I just think it's awesome that he's on board with you guys. And I think he'll provide great content.
[201:48]
Big Cat
But he's the best. He's, he's, he's the absolute best. I don't know if you heard the story, but we watched the Eagles commanders game with him live stream. So we watched the whole game and then he gets on the plane the next day with Dave to go back to Florida and he was like, how did this end up on the Internet? And Dave was like, what do you mean? And he's like, how'd this end up on the Internet? He didn't realize that we were live streaming the entire game. And he's so authentic. Like nothing. Like he was just him on the live stream. He just had no idea the cameras were on the entire time.
[202:19]
Fred Smoot
He's so good. It's a perfect fit. He's gonna provide great content. I learned so much from him all the time. And there's really no off switch. He is one of one. When I was a rookie, I didn't really know him at all except for doing the Gruden QB camp coming out. And Kyle Shanahan was his quality control guy, you know, way back in the day. And Kyle said it's like watching a movie. Like, there's no off. There's like. But he's not acting like there is no off switch. And it's amazing. So I always go down there at every off season because I just feel like, man, two days with him, I'm going to come back excited about football, excited to put in the work, excited to lead, challenged as to how I got to get better, but also, you know, pumped up, up. And if he, if he does that at all, half of what he's done for me for the barstool staff, he's going to be a huge ass.
[203:02]
Hank
Yeah, he's been awesome.
[203:03]
Big Cat
He is. He's the best.
[203:04]
Hank
When you get like a tunnel screen called for you to throw during a game, are you like, man, Coach Gruden would hate this.
[203:09]
Big Cat
He hates screens.
[203:10]
Fred Smoot
Oh, there's all, all kinds of times where I'm like, like little things that I know I have to do at a high, high level because Coach Gruden's watching and if I don't do it right, he's going to pull up this tape in March and check like he, he. One year, one year I led the league in completion percentage. I was like, I think it was like 69.7, let's say. And the first thing we do, I sit down with him in Tampa after the season. It might have been my first year starting. And he opens like a black screen PowerPoint with white numbers, and it just says 30.2. He goes, you know what that is? And I said, no, what is that? He said, that's the number. That's the percentage of incompletions you had. He goes, kirk. He goes. There's like. He says something like, there's never been a 75% complet percentage guy in the NFL. He goes, you're the guy to do it. Like, I'm going to show you all this, all the silly incompletions you had that you have no excuse for, that. You could have completed 80% of your passes if you had just completed these easy ones. And we go through this whole clip just to make me feel bad. Of all the passes I missed to Jordan Reed and to Pierre Garcon and desean Jackson. And so it was stuff like that where you're like, heck, yeah, like, I'm gonna go back and try to complete 80 of my passes. Yeah, I gotta be better. And there's no excuse for missing an open guy. And so. So he just challenged you. And he's. He's a coach at heart, and I just love seeing him get back in it and have an impact.
[204:24]
Big Cat
Yeah, he's the best. He's the best. Well, thank you so much, Kirk. This has been awesome, man. We love having you on. And if you're ever in town, we gotta. I don't know, if you're allowed to play pickup hoops while you're still playing the NFL. Maybe you could come and coach us. That would work.
[204:37]
Fred Smoot
I would love it. I love it. Someday, Sean Livingston. The high school version of Sean Livingston coming to its town near you.
[204:42]
Big Cat
All right.
[204:42]
Hank
Such a perfect comp. I love it.
[204:44]
Big Cat
Thanks, Kirk. Okay, boys, good long show for the people at home Thanksgiving week. Let's send it off with some numbers. Maybe we'll get it this time.
[204:55]
Hank
Memes.
[204:56]
Memes
17.
[204:57]
Big Cat
3.
[204:57]
Hank
I'm trying to help you, memes. I'm gonna go 92.
[205:00]
Fred Smoot
I'll give you 99.
[205:02]
Big Cat
Oh.
[205:03]
Hank
Go, 94.
[205:04]
Big Cat
P. Oh, Max.
[205:07]
Max
11.
[205:12]
Hank
11.
[205:16]
Big Cat
27. Oh, I thought that was the number 27. I knew it wasn't, but I thought it was.
[205:25]
Hank
Love, you guys.
[205:36]
Big Cat
Sa.