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I'm great, man. Every time I'm nearing the end of one of these episodes and I get to that last difficult portion of like, what to cut and how to. How to finish it up, you know, worrying about how it's going to be received and everything. I get to the point where my brain just starts saying, you're never gonna finish this thing. All your subscribers are gonna leave, your wife's gonna leave you and you're gonna kill yourself. And so all at once when I hit, you know, submit on there to. To publish it, that giant weight just gets lifted off. So it's very nice.
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Yeah, I was, you know, I was literally just talking about this with my buddy, but one of my closest friends, Louis J. Gomez, who's a really h comedian and he's just. Obviously it's a bit of a different type of project, but he just. His hour special is coming out in the next couple days. I think he just put the trailer for it up and it's like a very similar thing where he's like, dude, you know, there was a time when I loved this hour of comedy. And then I just got to a point where I hate it more than anything. And now I'm just so glad for it to just be off my plate. Like it's out there and I can't control it anymore. By the way, it's a great hour, so go check that out. Check out both Daryl series and Louis J. Gomez's new comedy special. I don't think those two have ever been promoted together. So, you know, I got to say, I. I listened to the first episode when it first came out. I'm a subscriber, so I got it immediately. Loved it. And so I was. I've been seeing some of the reaction to it and I really did want to say this to you, that it. There is something that you've accomplished in this space. I hate saying this space, but in this new world that we live in, there's something that you've really accomplished that's really quite fascinating. You know, I see the thing that your, your podcast is like the number one history podcast on all these charts. This episode itself was like the number one podcast episode. I see that number. You got like almost 200,000 subscribers just on substack alone. And it's just, I don't know, it's pretty amazing. To me, it's a real white pill. It's very encouraging that this type of, like, in depth, long form, real detail oriented history show could get this much popular support. Like, I'm, I'm. You know, you get to these points sometimes and I know I've, I've seen you have this frustration, I think almost all of us have, where there's just, there's so much stupidity out there that you're just like, oh my God, everyone shouldn't even be allowed to talk about politics. This is too, you know, it's like getting in Twitter arguments about, you know, the dumbest things imaginable. And so anyway, it's just very nice to see that. Wow, there really actually is such an interest in, like, deep dives into such, like, such important historical events and an openness to rethink about these things. And anyway, it's just, you know, there's a lot of people who get popular these days by talking about whatever the latest dumb culture war slop is or whatever, you know, whatever the, the latest silly thing is. And this is just really cool. It's a really cool accomplishment that you were able to build up such a big thing doing what you do.
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It's very gratifying. Yeah. And it is white pilling. You know, I think it probably has to do with maybe a combination of a Few different factors. The first just being that we're at a. We're at a time in our own history, not just in the US but really throughout the west, where people are really starting to question the narratives that they've inherited, you know, from the past, or even at least questioning, you know, the. At the very base level of those narratives, you know, and especially after just all of the lies that have been told to us to such catastrophic effect over the last several decades, people are starting to. Starting to wonder, like, about the people they've been told over the years, are their enemies, are their friends, what was good for them and what wasn't, you know, and who really benefited from them. And so, you know, that can go too far, obviously, and you just have to log on to Twitter to see how that can go too far. A lot of times, you know, people start to question a little bit, and it's an understandable thing. You look around and you realize how much you've been lied to about really, really important things. And people almost. Almost the natural thing to do at that point is to say, well, they're lying to me about everything, you know, and. And to kind of clan up with your own people and just say, well, I. At least these are my people. I can trust them just not to. Not to hate me and not to want to just openly lie to me, to hurt me. So I'm just going to stick with that. And then we silo ourselves off that. That's how it can go too far. But the fact that, you know, the, The. The. The structure has been a little bit wobbly has really opened up a lot of space for people to question things that they thought they knew. And I think the other part, though, like, maybe more fundamentally is, you know, people. You can go back 10,000 years. Human beings like to hear a good story. And I always try to, you know, I'm not. I don't pretend to be like, somebody's history professor. Like, what I try to do is I try to tell them the story of historical event in a way that makes them want to go listen to a history professor, makes them want to go buy their book and read that book. And, you know, and that happens a lot. You know, I get a lot of people who, you know, you know how, like, back in school, there'd be like, the smart kids and the dumb kids, right? And smart kids sat in the front of the class, and the dumb kids sat in the back of the class. And then you go talk to one of the dumb kids about a 1986 Honda Civic. And you're like, oh, this Dude's, like, got 140 IQ or something. And it's just because he's engaged on that topic. Like, somebody presented it to him in a way that grabbed him. And a lot of our education system just fails to do that. And so, you know, when I get emails from people and I've gotten a lot of them from people saying that, you know, I always thought of myself kind of as just. I'm not the kind of guy that reads a history book. I'm not the kind of guy that does that. I'm one of the dumb kids. You know, I sat in the back of the class, and then, you know, somebody just sent me your episode on this just because they thought it was badass and a good story or whatever. And I was two years ago now. Check out my bookshelf. I've read all these, and it's like. And it really just changes the way they think about themselves, because people are usually smarter than they think. You know, it's just a matter of being engaged. And so I try to tell a good story to make people want to know more and go out there and take the initiative for themselves. And I think that's the way you have to be able to present it. There's a lot of really good researchers out there. There's a lot of people who. I consume their content for history podcasts, things like that, but I sort of have to slog through it because it's just not a great story. It's kind of a bland lecture. And I say that with gratitude toward a lot of the people who I learn a lot from. But being able to try to tell it in a way that places the person into the story in a way that, you know, I mean. I mean, the events that we describe, most history books describe are. Are so overwhelming in the. You know, just. In the. In just the level of human emotion that's involved in these things, you know, like that. You know, you really do a disservice to our own history in a lot of ways. If you don't tell it in a way that really makes a person feel that. And I try to do that, and sometimes I succeed better than others. But it seems like this one's going over well, so.
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Yeah, well, I think there's something. And. And this particular, like, this applies to me, too, but there's something where, for people like me, I mean, look, I've never been to war. I talk about war a lot, and I'm really opposed to it. But it's very easy for people when you're talking about something that you haven't experienced firsthand. Particularly it's very easy to talk about it. And, and this is how again, as you said, a lot dry lectures that you're talking about do the same thing where it's like, okay, here's the story of the war and it's like, you know, in this capital city, they made the decision to attack this area and then they invaded here and then this happened and then this country joined in and then, and it's like, and what even today, talking about like the Israel, you know, Gaza conflict or whatever, you could tell the story of like they took over this territory in 1967 and then they withdrew in 2005, but they didn't really withdraw, but they withdrew, but still control. But then there's a whole different angle to the story of just being like, hey, here. How about, here's the story. There's a seven year old boy right now, you know what I mean? Like walking through a street of rubble, seeing a little piece of his mother's dress and they have no idea where she. And, and what you always try to do in your work is almost like force the, the listener to, to come to fact grips with the fact that this, these are real human beings who were really existed just as much as you exist as you always say was a, were a three year old just the same way you were a three year old once. And I gotta say the. So in this first episode, which is already out, I don't want to spoil anything for the end. We who knows if the Germans win or not. We haven't gotten that far yet. But the first episode, you're talking a lot about World War I. It's all about World War I. All right guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Kalshee. I've been telling you guys about Kalsi for a while. It is a prediction market and it's the first one in the United States that is fully regulated. It's CFTC approved, it's available in all 50 states. And you can basically bet on anything that's got a clear outcome. So it could be politics or things that are happening in the economy. You know, whether inflation's going to go up or down, whether Mamdani is going to be the next mayor or not. And so you can bet on any of these things, which is fun. But also you can watch the markets and see predictions that people are making that they're actually willing to put their money behind. I find this to be an important resource to understand cultural trends. Definitely go check it out. Cali.com Dave that's where you got to go to get in on the action or watch the markets as they're working. Cali.comdave all right, let's get back into the show.
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Well, actually, real, real quick Dave. Actually I thought it was just a story about a man with a violent past who launches a ultra violent war against his enemies after his beloved dog is taken from him.
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Well, it's sure, yes, there's all, there's many different aspects to it. There's, but like when you, when you get into the description of trench warfare in World War I, which I, you know, I, I, I guess I like to think in my mind that like I had a picture in my mind of what trench warfare looked like, but I'm picturing like a group of guys and his buddies shooting out of their trench or whatever, you know, taking covers that something I've seen in a movie. But when you actually get into the details of like describing what these guys went through and what it was to live in a trench, you know, and, and you know, go listen to the episode if you haven't already but the details of everything that they were dealing with and you know, you just think about the fact that, look, even obviously it's a big ask to ask any of our boys to go fight in Afghanistan or Iraq. And I'm not downplaying what it was to go through that. But this is like nothing compared to what these, these B.O. world War I went through. And the fact that, I don't know, it's just, it's, it's crazy. I guess it's part of being a human being is we have to be able to move on and go about our lives. But like this was only a little over a hundred years ago. That is not that long ago. It's two of me and a 20 year old ago, you know, and the fact that these were like 17 year old boys by the tens of millions across the civilized world were put into this. It's, it's like we should spend all day, every single day thinking about this. Obviously we can't because nothing would ever get done. But it is just so, it's so disturbing and dark and just important and you really do have an ability to like bring it to life with your storytelling. And then when you put it like that, you go, how could this ever be boring to anyone? This is the most compelling story you've ever heard of. Like, it's just crazy that anyone wouldn't be interested in this.
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Yeah. The crazy thing about the, the. The First World War was, you know. Well, if you think. If you think back about how the whole thing unfolded right after the Archduke got assassinated in 1914, it was a matter of like, just over a month. All of Europe was at war. I mean, it was. It was like peace. All of Europe is just slaughtering each other like within a little over a month. Right. And it wasn't. And again, you know, our guys and the people that they fight when they go to Iraq and Afghanistan, all those people go through a lot. It's a harrowing experience in a lot of ways. But it's also something that, you know, we have, like, tours of duty. You know what I mean? Like, you go out, you do your time, you do your mission, you come back, you recuperate for 18 months, and then maybe you go back out or something. This was not like that. This was, you're going into the trenches and you'll be done when the war is done or you get killed or you get too wounded to like, man your. Man your position in the trench. And so you just. This is your life. And for a lot of these kids who were 17, 18, 19 years old, you know, this wasn't a tour of duty they did. This was how they spent their young adulthood. And, you know, when you think about the fact that the soldiers who fought in this war were the colonels and the generals in the Second World War, their sons who saw their dads can't come home and. Or maybe not. They were the. They were the Vermont soldiers, you know, storming the eastern front of the Ardennes. And like, you have to. So you really have to understand, like, the. Not just the individual trauma, but the generational trauma that took place here. I mean, this was something where. Because again, like, you know, today we have this interesting. You know, because of maybe just technological changes, just the structure of our military is very focused on. I mean, we invaded a country, Iraq, with, you know, 130, 000 people or something like that. And, you know, it's something that. If you go to San Francisco, maybe liberal area, San Francisco, and you talk to somebody say, how many people do you know that have served in the military? Probably zero. If you go down to like, someplace in Appalachia. How many people you know who have served in the military? Like 40. You know, it's a very sort. It's almost like a cast now. It's like a very kind of and most of the society is very closed off from it and they don't interact with these people on a regular basis in their personal lives. And so it's almost this thing that like a part of our society, you know, goes and does and then they come back from and their dads and their uncles did it. And you know, we, it's just this closed off thing. This was a situation where like, if you were able bodied and you weren't working in a munitions factory already or working in like a, a steel, an iron mine or you know, something like that was absolutely critical to the war effort. Your ass was going to war and you were going into those trenches and you had this. And so this was something that was just shared by all these regular people. You know, volunteer military is just very different. You know, these are guys who have some idea what they're getting themselves into, even if they're joining for college or something. You know, if you join the army and go into the infantry, especially these days, you have an idea that you might get put to use. These guys just got ripped from their lives. These are students and clerks and school teachers and whatever who got ripped from their lives, an entire generation and just sent into a war that nobody really had any clear idea of how it was going to go when it started. You know, and by the end of the first few months, by the time they settled down into the trenches, when that initial push, you know, kind of came to a halt, everybody kind of realized this is crazy. And we have no idea really how to move forward on, on this. I guess we're just going to keep throwing bodies at the enemy lines and see who breaks first. And to be just one of the bodies in that story, you know, that's the part that, that is really hard to fathom. You know, I mentioned in the episode, I talk about my buddy Jocko, how, you know, he, he always says, you know, give him Thermopylae, give him the worst, you know, tour in Vietnam, whatever. He wants nothing to do with the trenches in World War I. And it's not even so much because of the level of suffering. He probably almost relished that to a degree. It's just that you're in a war where nothing you do matters. Like if you die or don't die, your buddy dies or nobody dies or the mission fails or succeed, whatever it is, it has nothing to do with how hard you train, how hard you try, how committed. Nothing has nothing to do with it. And in the guys in the war, some wars that is always the case, you know, but you can kind of give yourself the illusion of agency in some way. You could not do that in World War I. You're just this piece of meat sitting out there in the cold, you know, with. Covered in fleas and lice and chasing off rats from trying to nibble on your earlobe while you sleep and you just might die randomly, you know. And it was just. You get to the point where like in 1916, you're talking about like a couple dozen people a minute being killed in the First World War for 365 days of the year, you know, just total madness. And it really, like, also to zoom out because, you know, I like to zoom in on, like the individual experience, but to zoom out. You know, it really gets you thinking about our just social and political structures when you realize that the people who were the statesman, the people who were like the high level, responsible decision makers, that they didn't have some way to like, extract us from this situation once it was clear to everybody that this is crazy. And it just went on for years until one side broke down, you know, and that's it. And it would have gone on for several more years. I mean, you know, Winston Churchill wrote about, let me get myself in trouble here. No, he actually wrote this so I won't get in trouble. But he talked about how it's a good thing the war ended in 1918, because 1919, 1920, like, if it had gone on, if the Germans. Because the German lines never really fully broke, you know, and they. And as they retreated back to Germany, you know, a line that was this, this big from the, you know, from the English Channel to Switzerland was getting smaller. And so even though they had fewer people, less, you know, area to cover and defend, they could have, they could have kept it going for a little, like, oh, maybe, maybe another year, two, whatever. But Churchill talks about how if it didn't end that year, there are already plans in the works for flying over and just gassing German cities. I mean, that's like the level of madness that not even just, you know, Churchill, everybody knows. I think he's kind of a. Kind of a psycho. But this, he's not the only one. I mean, this was like where things were going and everybody kind of was in that mindset by that point. And you say, man, like, you know, it blows your mind how when something like that happens, the entire focus of the entire planet after that is, okay, we need to make sure that never happens again ever, you know, and. And that's kind of the Opposite of what we did. You know, we treated, unfortunately, the allies really treated it like a victory in any other war. We won, you lost. Ha. You know, give us what's ours. And it planted the seeds for the next one.
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Yeah, that's right. And I think that the, you know, in, in terms of zooming out or the connection, I guess in a way between like zooming in and then zooming out is that it's kind of, it's impossible to understand what comes next without the context that this had just happened to like an entire generation of people. You know, like in your, in your, your series Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem, which I think is probably the. Up to now, I think this is probably going to be your biggest series. But up to now I think that was probably like the one that, you know, like most people, probably more than any other one, had been like, oh, that's the one that got me into the show. Or that's the one that really blew up it. It had, you had this phenomenal series. And then of course, after October 7th, this was the thing that people wanted to learn about. And, and so it really, it was a very good tool for, for many of us. But one point in the series where you start talking about the starvation that had impacted like Syria and, and that area before, you know, because you have to kind of understand, in order to understand the mentality of these people that like, okay, five minutes ago they were like eating their neighbors because they were that hungry. And what does that do to you? And that's true in general with World War II where people, people, you know, like, it's like the, in the popular imagination of the normie person, it's like Hitler was crazy and the Germans went nuts and they just wanted to kill everything that moves. But like, if you look at, like say whatever, if you look at the, some stuff that I'm sure you'll be covering later in the series, but if you look at like the Ukrainians slaughtering Jews in 41 or something like that, well, you can't really completely remove how close this was to them being this huge starvation crisis. You know what I mean? Like, you'd wonder like, oh, that might have something to do with how brutal this group of people might be, you know, a few years from now. And likewise, if you think about World War II and just the level of brutality there, and you think that there's like, okay, the, the 20 year olds are out doing the fighting or whatever, but like the 40, 50 year olds are making the decision as the way society typically runs, you're like, yeah, but what did they come up in? They came up in World War I as being something that I guess was already, at least within the realm of things that possibly could happen. To your point, what's already set up at the end of the first episode of this show is, of this series, is that like, right. The only lesson could have been that that was the war to end all wars. Like, oh my God, what a disaster. I guess we all had to get together and decide never to do that again. But you do kind of go in knowing that we actually decided to do it again and worse and in greater numbers than that. And I mean, again, like, no matter what side of any issue you're on, like, what a, what a tragedy of unthinkable proportion that we had two goddamn world wars in the last century.
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Yeah. And you know, the next episode is gonna. I was gonna get into it some in this one, but I just sort of ran out of. Ran out of time. The next one's gonna get into something that a lot of people don't know as much about. Like everybody kind of understands, especially if they're listening to a history podcast, they probably have some idea that the World war, World War I, was a catastrophe and human suffering on an enormous scale and everything. But what people know less about, especially in the victorious allied countries in the US and Britain and the rest of us, is what was happening after the war ended for us. Because from Germany all the way to the Pacific Ocean, you know, from, from the rind of Vladivostok, every government that had existed before the war collapsed in about 18 months. No police, no social services, no nothing. And there was civil war, there was revolution everywhere, literally from Central Europe to the Pacific Ocean. And I mean, you know, so while we're over here sort of celebrating the end of the violence in a lot of places you go to, you know, the further east you go, the worse it gets. By the time you get to Russia, I mean, their, their war is just getting started. You know, they're going to lose a lot more people in the Russian Civil War than they lost in the First World War. And even in a place like Germany, which was pretty muted compared to Russia, everything was, you know, those kids who were 25 year old Vermont soldiers in the Second World War, you know, they may not have been in the trenches, maybe their dads weren't even in the trenches, maybe they were munitions workers or something. But in 1919, they're looking outside their window and they're seeing German people Revolutionaries and right wing militias firing artillery at each other in the streets. They're seeing dead bodies laying outside their house on their street. You know, people being put up against the wall and executed. And this, these are the kind of things that were going on. And so, you know, the, the, the lesson for a lot of people, unfortunately, after, after the First World War was, you know, you can accomplish pretty much anything by force if you just apply enough violence. Look at the, you know, the Bolshevik revolution. You know, there's a reason that after that happened in 1917, you started to see mutinies on the French lines. You started to see a lot of revolutionary activity in Germany and everything, because people realize, like, oh, we can just kill everybody that disagrees with us. And yeah, it's, you know, maybe it's ugly or gross or whatever, but the world will get over it and we'll get over it. And if we win, we'll tell a story to our kids. It's different than the one that happened, and that'll be that, you know, but it will create the world that we think, you know, that we want to live in. And that really is the lesson that a lot of, that a lot of people took from it. And again, like you just said, it's really the exact opposite lesson that you would have hoped.
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You know, it's, it's interesting because obviously, you know, well, I mean, everybody, your, your situation here, which is very. It's. It's really unlike anything that I've ever seen before. But obviously. So when you went on Tucker Carlson show, there was a big controversy about some comments you made about World War II. And then you're doing this big World War II series coming up after it. It's kind of. So that's part of what's built this anticipation for the final product. But it really is. And I've felt this way, you know, the whole time. It's, it's just so bizarre, the dynamic where everybody could look at what, what nobody could deny or is just like the greatest tragedy or you know, however you want to imagine it up there with the greatest tragedies that have ever happened, like the. By the numbers, the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of the world. And yet there is, and this is part of what's interesting with starting with World War I is because none of that radioactivity exists around World War I. Nobody can even give you a real reason why the hell we fought the thing or any type of like justification today that especially knowing how it worked out in the aftermath, that, yeah, that, that sure was a good idea that America got involved or that Europe had this war at all to begin with. But there is so much radioactivity talking about the second World War. And so what ends up happening is in a way everybody kind of fills in the blank. Not everyone, I should say this. The people who are, let's say, get very triggered by the comments that you made on Tucker Carlson show or any type of World War II revisionism. It seems like much like kind of, you know, during, like the, you know, during wokeism, if you could think the way like left wingers tended to, to treat infractions, they almost finish your thought for you, you know. So like if you, if you even start to say, well, I think Churchill was wrong about all of this, therefore you're saying, and Adolf Hitler really was the good guy and this was a model society and that's what you'd like to see again. You know, like there's, I remember, you know, as, as I'm sure you know. So Charles Murray, after he wrote or co wrote the Bell Curve, and then he wrote a separate book that was all on the topic of race. And if you read any of his stuff, you know, Charles Murray is like, first of all, he's a, he's like a moderate libertarian and his conclusion of the whole argument is that he's arguing for welfare. That is actually essentially what his point is. He, he concludes like this is why we need universal basic income and because basically the information age is going to discriminate against low IQ people. Now he points out at certain points that there are different, you know, average IQs amongst different racial groups. But it's almost like as soon as you just mention that, people just finish the sentence for, oh, so you're saying we should kill all of them or so you're saying, therefore we should enslave them or something. And so it's, you're always, you always get this kind of like, well, look, I mean, whenever anybody even comes at you, right? Which people may notice the criticism is always either the way they interpret a comment that you made on Tucker Carlson show where they're adding something that they're saying, he meant to be saying this even though you're going, no, I didn't mean to say that. Or they'll say, okay, he was, he was shitposting on Twitter or he's friends with this guy who he bought their mug or you know, whatever it is. But no one's really taken on the work, you know, like nobody's ever. I was at this, this weird panel that I probably should have done on Piers Morgan where it was like three on one all about you. And it's like Babylon B guy and Piers Morgan and what's his name, the Robert's world renowned historian is there too. And they're all, and at one point in this, they're just beating me up and it's like, okay, I'm not going to convince them here. But at one point I just go, hey, have any of you guys like consumed any of Daryl's work? And it's like, no, I'm the only one there who's actually, who actually listens to your stuff. And so it's just, I don't know, I guess it's a long, ranty question, but it's kind of like, you know, whenever you do something like this, people are going to misinterpret it. You know, then obviously you have your audience who you know is going to actually be very interested to what. In what you have to say. But what is re. What really are you trying to say with this whole series? Like, not in other people's funhouse, mirror version. Look at it. But what do you, you know, kind of what is the, the comment without giving the whole series away because it's not all out yet, but what is the comment that you are trying to make revisiting this chapter in history?
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C
Yeah, with all my long series, a lot of times I have an idea at the beginning of the series of where I'm going with this and what I'm trying to say, but that changes by the time I get to the 12th, 15th hour or something. That happened with the Jonestown series, for sure, as I started to develop, like, a lot of sympathy for the people who were in that movement. And the same thing with. With the. The. The series about early Zionism and the conflict over there, where I kind of thought, you know, because I had come from a place of just sorting, have sort of having your basic conservative Fox News idea of what was going on in the Middle east, that when I really started to read heavily on it, I was kind of very shocked by this, and I was like, wow, I got to tell kind of the other side of the story. But then as I went on, you know, I really developed a lot of sympathy for everybody involved, for the most part, you know, and. And over time, that's kind of become my M.O. i guess, you know, and that's something that's harder to do when you're impulsively responding to people on Twitter or something. But when I sit down to do my podcast alone in my office, you know, I force myself to do that. And if I feel myself veering off course on that particular thing, like, I'll. You know, I'll stop everything until I correct it. And. Because, again, the bottom line is that everybody involved in these absolutely insane, extraordinary circumstances, we're just human beings. You know, they. They're not different than you. You know, whether you're talking about the Palestinian mother who's pulling her kid out of the rubble, she feels the same thing you would feel pulling your kid out of the rubble, the exact same thing, you know, and that kid's big brother, who just turned 19, you know, and has a couple buddies in Hamas or what, he feels the same thing you would feel if that was your little sister. It's the same, you know, and. And you have to always just start every story from there that these are human beings going through these experiences. And when you think of the fact that, you know, just imagine, like, in the modern world, if you were to walk out your door one day to go to work, and there's just a mutilated dead body on your. On your. You know, in your driveway or something, a lot of people are going to be in therapy for the rest of their lives over there, you know, and there's a lot. And this is like, something that happened one time that you can very easily, kind of theoretically, like, compartmentalize and say, this was an insane thing that happened. It'll definitely never happen again. Who has this happened twice in their lives? You know, but still, it'll traumatize you for real, change the course of your personality development, you know, probably. And so when you have these people who spend their lives or big chunks of their lives, where this is just the daily reality, you know, you have to kind of understand that they're going to develop differently, you know, in their minds than. Than somebody living in a safe, peaceful places. And, you know, as far as, like, the controversy that pops up, I mean, I. I've really found, especially since that Tucker interview, and this is something I might have said before, but it would have been. It would have been theoretical, and it's not anymore, is as long as you got real tight relationships with your group of friends and family and community, people in your community. It's all just noise. Honestly, like, even being denounced by the White House and getting hit pieces in, like, the biggest papers in Europe and the U. It's all just noise. You know, you can turn it all off and go hang out with your friends, and it really just fades into the background if you just don't let yourself get too caught up in it. You know, that might not have been the case 10 years ago, 15 years ago. You know, thank goodness for the way things have changed. You know, after that Tucker interview, for example, the CEO of Substack, who I'm buddies with, he's a fan of the show. They hit me up immediately after that, totally without me reaching out or anything, just to say, hey, just in case you're thinking about it, don't worry about anything, like, we got your back. And the other, like, sort of point of failure in that. In that chain would have been the payment processor. They use Stripe. One of the guys that I'm in a group chat with really doesn't know me that well, but, you know, we've spoken in the group chat. He's one of the major investors and on the board of Stripe, they got a hold of me and said, hey, just so, you know, don't worry about it. And so that's a new world. And I sympathize with the people who were a little too early on some of this stuff, you know what I mean? Like, 10 years ago, they could have crushed me like a bug. And I'm very grateful that that's not the case now. But as far as, like, the emotional and psychological, you know, toll that something like that takes, as long as you have strong personal relationships, you know, again, like, all of it really does fade into the background.
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B
No, dude, you're so Right. And I remember I talked about this a bunch on the show, but I, I was saying the same thing about myself just after doing the Douglas Murray debate. Like, I had never, and I'd been on a lot of big shows before, but I'd never like, had that type of reaction. Like, it was like, you know, you, it, it's just different when you watch it happening to everyone else. I've watched it happen to a lot of different people, but it was like, oh, like they're, they're out for me now. And like, you know, there's pieces being written in the New York Post and on all these things that I shouldn't be on this podcast and I shouldn't be platformed. And of course, you were also included in those. Was almost all of those. It was, it was almost one more kind of part of your controversy, weirdly, because that's how the show started and then that's how the articles were written. But I remember just being like, oh, thank God this happened now. Because, like, even five years ago, this might have been a much more tenuous situation. Whereas now it was just kind of like, I don't know, Elon bought Twitter. They're on this thing that they're not kicking people off. This is such a high profile thing that if they were to kick me off, off right in the aftermath of this, it would be like a obvious contradiction. So, you know, Zuckerberg's trying to be cool now. YouTube doesn't seem to be flagging like they used to also, like Tucker and Rogan have my back and I got my friends and I have my audience, like, I'm fine. But it did, it did make me think the same thing. Like, man, there were a lot of people who came before me who really got ruined, and some of them for no more than what I was saying or what you are saying. Like, there were people who maybe were even going a bit further, but there were people who didn't even go as far and were kicked off for much less and really silenced. And so, yeah, that's an important thing to remember. It's also like there's a weird, I don't know, I guess it kind of like you have to split this into groups where obviously there were a lot of people who were, let's say, intentionally misunderstanding what you were saying. And then you've got a lot of people who love you and support you and know what you're, you're saying. But I guess maybe to the, the people in the middle group, like the honest observer out there who Maybe isn't sure what this is all about because it does seem, you know, like, I. I was posting this on Twitter the other day. I thought this was kind of an interesting, like, experiment. And so I'm not. I haven't been, like, paying super close attention to the New York City mayoral race. I don't live in New York City anymore. And, like, I just have been. I focus more politics. But I, you know, I paid a little bit of attention to it, and I think it's an interesting dynamic. And I posted a thing on Twitter where I was like, look, just to everybody, I. First of all, I would not vote for Mom Donnie if I was in New York. I don't vote for socialists, and I don't vote for people who say defunding the police is queer liberation. Like, that's just a rule of thumb for me. But I was like, but everyone's acting like this guy is like a rabid Jew hater. So just like, hey, I'm not really following the race. But like, so what is it? Like, what's the worst Jew hating thing he's ever done? And my feet is just flooded with. With, you know, people just being like, are you crazy? He. He, you know, he. He chance globalized the Intifada. And I'm like, okay, does he. When has he chanted that? It's like, well, he refused to denounce it, you know, or he refused. And then like, you get whittled down to it and you're like, wait, what is the worst thing here? Like, but again, it's always, Look, I'm not even saying it's impossible. Like, maybe he's a secret Jew hater and that's his wink and a nod to the other Jew haters to let you know I hate them too. But it's just like, that's. Just. Be clear. That's what you've got here. Your argument is that there's a secret agenda that they're not telling you, but it just kind of feels like ghost hunting. And I just. I see this a lot. And obviously it's particularly true whenever you talk about World War II, that there are this huge. You know, it's the. The idea that particularly amongst Jews, but not just amongst Jewish people, like amongst non Jews on that side too. It's almost like they. They in their mind, they're like, this is a dog whistle. No matter what you're. You're trying to say the point of doing this. And I, I don't know. It's an interesting dynamic because you almost like, to me, the response to that is that, okay, what your allegation here is that the plan is to be a secret Nazi and lead the secret Nazi movement without ever admitting that you are one or what? Like, and so, I don't know. I guess it's like a weird challenge.
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C
To have because they're well known for being shy about their beliefs, you know.
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B
Well, right. But like what? I don't know, like. Because then all the Nazis will love you, even though you're not really saying what they want you to say, but you are winking and nodding at them. It just seems like, like, I don't know, it's a. It's a difficult task. Like, how do you break people out of this spell and go, hey, isn't it slightly more of a reasonable guess that he just means what he's saying? Like, he, he just means what he said. Like. Like, maybe Mamdani just means. I don't. I. Some people don't mean. When they say globalized antifa. They mean different things than other people mean. And so I don't want to condemn all of that. Like, maybe he just means. That just seems like a more reasonable guess to me.
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C
Yeah, but, you know, when you. One of my favorite examples of this actually is, I think it was actually on that Piers Morgan hit that you did with Seth Dillon, where at the beginning of the interview, he called me a Holocaust denier. And then later on in the interview, because it was the panel, because it was pretty long panel, like, you know, enough time had passed. I guess he forgot. He said that you brought up the fact that he didn't mention the Holocaust in this, you know, segment that everybody's talking about at all, like it didn't come up. And he goes, well, there you go. Just the fact that he was talking about World War II for 15 minutes and didn't bring out the Holocaust, what does that tell you? And it's like, when. To that level, it's like there's nothing really. There's no conversation to be had. You know, one.
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B
Well, someone said to me once, I can't remember who it was, if this was Seth or not. I don't want to say it was him. If it wasn't, it was somebody else said this. And I did not catch this until I went back. Oh, no, it must have been Alex Baronson, I think, said this. But I didn't catch this till someone said, because, you know, sometimes in these debates, especially when they get as childish and heated as that one, you know, you don't hear everything that's said. But he goes, at one point, someone's. He said something about, like, daryl doesn't care about that she was suffering in the Holocaust. And I was like, well, like, I mean, he did. Did you listen to the, like, section of his Fear and Loathing that covered the Holocaust? Because, like, it just didn't seem to me like he was downplaying it. And I said, I don't know. I guess, like, I go, if you listen to. And I said, just, if you just listen to the opening section that's describing a pogrom against the Jewish family and then listen to the section talking about the Holocaust, it's maybe an hour total or something like that ago. He's going into pretty graphic detail and demanding that you empathize with the innocent Jews who were just caught up in this situation and just got totally over. Right? Like, he's asking. And then he goes, oh, yeah, he loves talking about dead Jews. And you're like, oh, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold. Like, stop the presses right now and just be outraged at the level of intellectual dishonesty. Here you are starting by calling someone a Holocaust denier. And then when I go. Hears him talking about the Holocaust. Trust. You go, yeah, he sure is obsessed with talking about dead Jews. Like, dude, yo. Who can defend that? And so that. You're right, that is. There is a level of. Of intentional dishonesty there. Although I do think. I think you're kind of. You're correct on this. Where you've talked about that oftentimes, particularly in the Jewish community, it is. It does feel like it's not just dishonesty, exactly. It's more of a. Like a real paranoia that you're watching where there is this. It's almost like they are convinced in their. In their mind that the. The only answer for this is Jew hatred. And it's. It's there somewhere. And so if it's not there, you know, in this door, well, then it must be there from the other. Okay. He wasn't denying it. Well, then he must be celebrating it. And it is. It is something that. It's been very personally difficult for me because, you know, having the positions that I publicly have and being Jewish and having Jewish family, it's been very difficult, I'll tell you. I really have struggled with how exactly to snap some people out of that and go, look, man, like that. And especially, as you know, it gets reinforced now because you go on Twitter and you do see so much, like, Jew hating stuff. But it's like, you know, to be like, okay, that is real. I get your point about that, but it is not true that behind every door, in the heart of every white person is this eternal Jew hater just waiting to pop out like that. I just don't think is true. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is my Patriot Supply. The cold weather will be here before you know it. The trees outside my house are already shedded most of their leaves. And you know what I start thinking about this time of year is what if the power goes out when it's really cold? What if you have no way to keep yourself and your family warm? It's not crazy. That's a real concern you should have. But then I remember that I have the Vesta off grid space heater from our friends at my Patriot Supply and I feel calm and relaxed. It's a space heater that doesn't use electricity. It runs on something called canned heat, which is an indoor safe fuel. With a Vesta stashed in your closet. You know, you can keep warm no matter what and it doubles as a stove to boil water or cook food, which is pretty cool. And the best part is you can get a Vesta and a bunch of other free gifts when you order the winter prep special from my Patriot Supply. Just go to my patriotsupply.com problem to see everything that's included. This offer won't last long and neither will this nice fall weather. So go to my Patriotsupply.com problem today. All right, let's get back into the show.
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C
Yeah, it's. Look, I mean on one level it's a paranoia that was well earned, right? You know, it didn't come out of nowhere. And when I have that discussion with people, you know, they'll often say like, it's not paranoia if like they're actually out to get you. And I always tell them, yes, it is. You know, the paranoid complex is still self destructive and bad for you. Even if you do actually have reasons to be worried about things. Like, it's not a matter of like rational fear. It's a matter of projecting this onto every everything that you see. I often point out like, you know, my wife's Armenian and if you go to a family event and you start talking good about the Turks or the Azerbaijanis, you're gonna get an earful, you know, if you're lucky. But you know, they see the like the Armenian genocide as the culmination of their kind of toxic and hostile back and forth centuries long relationship. With the Turks. They don't see it as the culmination of this eternal war that mankind has waged against the Armenian people since time immemorial. And you know, on one level, like that story is what held the Jewish people together for thousands of years in exile. People without their own country who were spread out all over the world and somehow managed to maintain enough cultural continuity and self identity that when the opportunity arose they were able to come back together and go start a nation state of their own. Amazing. Just from a pure. Forget the, like, you know, the morality of it, the geopolitics. Incredible that that was able to happen. And one of the major ways that was able to happen was having this sort of, you know, somewhat just paranoid relationship with the rest of the world. And again throughout history, very often well earned paranoia, you know. But the thing is, I mean, you read about paranoid people. Like who. I did this a lot in my Jim Jones series. I read whole, you know, books, shelves of books about the paranoid complex because it's so important to what happened in Jonestown. Most people who collapse into paranoid delusion, delusions have a good reason. Like it started from something very real and traumatic that happened to them. You know, I think that it's, it's kind of, it's just a normal thing to do, you know, especially when it's so recent. I mean, you really have to like, just like, just like I try to do with like a lot of the villains in history in some of my episodes, whether it's Jim Jones or the Germans or Zionists and Palestinians, whatever. I, I always try to, in myself and in my listeners, get people to understand that these are human beings having natural human reactions, usually under the circumstances, you know, and at the very least, even if they are having an unnatural reaction or one that you can't, you just can't comprehend, understand, they've gone through things that you cannot comprehend, you know. And so when you're one generation removed from millions of your people, not being killed in war, not starving to death, you know, because the crops are failing, because there's a war on or whatever, but being rounded up and executed, you know, rounded up and killed and not by, you know, because they, they, you know, it would almost be like if, if Israel lost a war, you know, and the Arabs were everything that Netanyahu tells us they are, and they swept in and just killed millions of people, you know, in Israel and everything that would be less traumatic than what happened in Europe. Because, you know, like this is like, it's the, this is The. Germany's. The country that gave us, you know, Beethoven. I mean, this is a. Goethe, you know, this is a. This is as civilized a country as you're going to find. And still this happened. And when you have a sort of a mythology, a cultural mythology, the thing that's held you together, you have actual, like, holidays throughout the year where you commemorate all the terrible things that happened to you and how you survived them, and then something like this happens. You know, it's really. It's really no wonder. But I do think that. And so. And so when like, a sort of ordinary Jewish person, like, has this kind of response to hearing anything about World War II other than the standard narrative, because, you know, again, for. For a lot of Jewish people, and again, totally understandable. The Second World War, this global conflict, tens of millions of people dead, just the craziest thing that ever happened. What it's about, what the story is about is the Holocaust. If you ask a lot of Armenians, what's World War I about, it's about the Armenian genocide, right? And so that's totally understandable. And when you're only a generation or so removed from something that. That traumatic, it's. I mean, what do you expect? You know, I think I. I don't think I've talked about on this show, but when I was at Tucker's live event in Fort Worth, he had Roseanne Barr on as his guest, and she was telling this story not in the way at all that, like, I. Way that it hit me she's telling in a different way, almost like just sort of throwing it out there, you know, she said that when the Eichmann trial happened, she was like 4 years old, 5 years old or something like that. When the Eichmann trial happened back in the 60s, and her parents had her watching, like, all of these videos, like, bodies being bulldozed into pits and, you know, just people being lined up and shot and all that and saying, see? And really, like, drilling into her, like, this is what happened and this could happen again, and we need to make sure it doesn't and all that. She said she had, like, weird twitches and nightmares and stuff for years after that. And then she, you know, this was really just about, like. I think she was talking more about just the evil that's present in the world that we have to be aware of or whatever. But I listened. I was like, good Lord, man. That, like, I understand, because her parents were alive when that happened, so I get it. But still, like, that borders on child abuse, you know, and her Parents ought to have been more responsible than that. And so when ordinary, ordinary Jewish people have that response, I, I am try to be very sympathetic. I do. Like I was talking to actually a rabbi the other day, like in, in dms, moderate guy, very smart guy. I won't say his name because you know, it's in confidence, I guess. But you know, I told him that like Jewish leaders have a responsibility like those like her parents had a responsibility to not ramp up, up the paranoia and hostility with, you know, imagined or otherwise with the rest of the world but to walk that back, to like pull people back from the brink and kind of, you know, try to try to bring your people from a place of, you know, where they were in, in, you know, after v Day in 1945, where it's just like they're just waking up from the nightmare to like now you have to start to, you know, really wake up from it. And you know, again, like even talking about this is very difficult because you know, there are people out there going to hear what I'm saying and think that, think that I'm, I'm saying that Jews have nothing to worry about, that there's nothing going on. This is all projection or to the extent that it does exist, you're bringing it on yourselves, you know, by this paranoid relationship. I'm not saying any of that stuff. I'm just saying that like, just like I tell, you know, I wrote a whole post about this. I got a ton of crap from the groipers and everybody else about it. You know, it was telling people it was, it was a message to the anti Semites out there back but like just in general. And I told him like look man, like I get all the things you're going to say. I, I know it, I've heard it. All the books you're going to tell me to read, I've read them. I know about the Jewish over representation in the Bolshevik revolution. I know about what happened after the fir. I know all that stuff, I get it. But whatever you think filling up your heart with hatred so that like you're stomping around angry at home and you know, you're being snappy with your children and your wife and it's because those darn Jews are up to it again, like that is not good for anybody like you, you cannot let yourself fall into that pit, you know, and so there's these negative emotional responses that can really become like the defining aspect of your personality. It's one of the, you know, I, I do think that's One of the things that's very unique about anti Semitism in general, you know, is, you know, I mean, we've all seen this, right, where it's like, okay, so I don't think 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. Not me personally, but like, you know, hypothetical person. I don't think this, that's gonna get. Okay, fine, like that we can argue about that now. Let's make that my personality. Yeah, and that just happens, you know, and so it does make it sort of a little more alarming, a little more like it takes you aback in a way more than if people have a revisionist view of other historical events, you know, because that does happen. And you know, one of the other things that, you know, I really learned doing the Jim Jones series though, is that paranoid people and the people that maybe are hostile to them, like for real, because very often it becomes kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. They need each other, they feed off each other. They really need each other because both of them kind of come to define themselves in terms of that conflict, you know. And yeah, I just think that, you know, we should all be trying to, we should all be trying to walk back from conflicts like that, walk back from feelings toward each other like that. You know, we all have to live in this world together. Everybody's still going to be here tomorrow, whether we like it or not, and we got to live in that world, you know, and yeah, and that's so trying to humanize people in my podcast. And you know, maybe one of the reasons that I, that I do focus on people that are very difficult to humanize, you know, I mean, whether Jim Jones or, or, or the Germans during the world wars, I guess I, I mean, part of me, I just, you know, I'm from the old school Internet. I like to troll and like be transgressive and stuff. But, but really when I'm sitting alone in my office, like working hard on the podcast, I just figure that if you can humanize these people, you can do it to anybody. And so, you know, let's push the boundary out to here of I consider even these people human beings. Things that then, you know, the things that happen in the news or in your daily life, like it's a lot easier to pull that off, you know?
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B
Yeah, no, absolutely, that's right. And, and as you said, I mean, I think, and I really think that is, you know, I'm not a Christian, but I do think that's kind of like the most fundamental Christian.
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C
We'll get you. We'll get you eventually.
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B
I got a lot of people working on me. But. But that. That is kind of the fundamental Christian belief, right? That, like, we are all, on some level, we're all God's children. And that doesn't mean people can't do really, really bad things with that free will. Will. With that pesky free will thing that he gave him. But it does mean that we all. We are all human beings. And there was always something to me, like, this was, I mean, a fundamental part of why I just always connected with your work, why I connected with Ron Paul when he was talking about blowback, and why I still really reject, you know, the people who say, like, oh, no, the problem is Islam. And as if, like, you know, it's like, hey, guys, we had 1, 9, 11, and we all lost our collective minds over that. Like, are you really so sure that if you were in Gaza, you would be, like, preaching, you know, Gandhi, like, peace or something? Like, I'm just. I'm not so sure. To your point, though, I think, you know, like, Roseanne Barr is the example you use there. I think who I think liked me well enough until October 7th and now really hates me. But as I've said publicly, I don't care. I love you, Roseanne. It doesn't matter how much you hate me. I'll always love you.
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C
Wait, are you keeping her in a cage off to your right over there?
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B
She's there somewhere. She's here. I have two bunny rabbits and Roseanne bar in separate gate. Not the same size cake page. But there is, you know, there is something where, I don't know, it just seems like there's this new dynamic that we are. We're kind of witnessing but also participating in where the legacy media has been destroyed, trust in institutions has been destroyed. There's this new era of free speech on the Internet. Like, people aren't getting kicked off for saying wild things. That my entire Twitter feed is filled with things that would have gotten everybody kicked off just a few years ago. Know, and I think we're all kind of at this point going like, hey, where is this all going? And let's root or try to steer as best we can this in somewhat of a positive direction and in some ways. So like, even, you know, talking to you about this, it's like, you know, from my perspective, I'm not even trying to make the Holocaust, you know, the. The major story from World War II, as, as some might. I think it's. It's a. An important part of it, but it's just impossible not to because it's the obstacle to being able to talk about any of this other stuff. It's the thing that's the white hot issue that they'll go, oh, so what are you saying this, right? And in some, in some way I do think you're right, that there's got to be like, the only answer is that there's got to be some way to have a cooling of heads here and go, yes, of course. From the Jewish perspective, it made sense to be paranoid. Okay, sure, like, and it made sense to, for the Holocaust to be the major takeaway of this story. But also, like, from the non Jewish perspective, which is the majority perspective in this country, it also makes sense to say, hey, that's not the only takeaway from this story. There's lots of other important things. And also they don't particularly enjoy being treated as if they're about to be guilty of committing another holocaust when there's no reason to suspect that that's the case. And don't, you know, I mean, a lot of people are the descendants of people who went in and, you know, fought for America or England or Russia. And why would they be responsible for the crimes of Adolf Hitler? You know what I'm saying? It's just there's, it's a lot more complicated than that. That. And as is always the case with these conflicts, it's never quite as simple as one side is made of pure good and the other side is made of pure evil. And there are no legitimate grievances on that side and no excesses of behavior on this side. And you know, it's just a much more interesting, complicated story in, in actuality.
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C
Yeah, I mean, you know, the world is like this threshing floor that we all get thrown into. If you have the easiest, best, most comfortable life in the world world, you're gonna die. Everybody you know is gonna die. You're either gonna watch them die or they're gonna watch you die. All the things you care about, you know, if you were a Roman back in the day, you've got like some ruins left and everything. But all these things that just you poured your emotion and self identity into are going to crumble eventually. Like, your language is going to be forgotten and nobody's going to know how to decipher whatever remaining texts they have left. You know, all of that is going to happen. And you could be in the most comfortable place in the world and you can start dwelling on that stuff and life becomes really dark and really ugly very quickly. Because, I mean, this is something that nobody prepared us for this. We were just thrown into this, you know, and we're thrown into this world where in some of us, again, obviously, like, into parts and times in the world that are much more difficult and traumatic than others. But even that, even the easiest ones, like, like, this is a, you know, we have, we have a lot to overcome just to get through life and maintain our sanity and humanity, you know, until we do. And trying to have that, that, that outlook about people who, you know, are not only maybe just morally abominable to you in a. In an abstract sense, but are your personal enemies. Like, you know, there's. You can search through the religious texts all over the world, you're going to find a lot of golden rules. You're going to find a lot of things that, from the Christian message that, you know, you see reflected in others, you're not going to find anywhere else this insane idea, this insane demand that you should love your enemy and pray for those who curse you. I mean, that is when people say, well, that's insane. That's ridiculous. I say, yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it is. I, you know, I, I can't really explain to you why it's a good idea or anything like that. You know, I just, just. It's just a matter of faith for me. But to take that idea and like, really push it. I guess the only way that I would sell it to somebody is that if you can get past that hurdle, if you can do that, you will understand at that point why it was important, you know, you. It will transform you in a way that is ultimately for your better and everybody around you, you know, betterment. And so that's the reason to do it. It's not about whether, you know, forgiveness is not something that you do for the other person. Person, you know, you do it for yourself. You do it to take that weight of hatred or anger or whatever off of your own shoulders and put that down, because it's not pleasant for you either. And, you know, that's what, that's what, you know, again, I wouldn't, I don't want to preach to anybody, you know, but as a Christian, like, that's what I think we're called on to do. And, and I, yep, fully, fully admit and accept. It's pretty much like the hardest and most difficult thing that, you know, could be demanded of us.
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B
So, yeah, it is. I, I really think it's a beautiful, A beautiful concept. And I think it's. It really says Something about the sickness of our society that that's viewed as such a, like controversial, awful. You know what I mean? Like, such a controversial thing to say. The demand that we have empathy for all sides and we insist on putting ourselves in their shoes. Hey man, thank you so much for taking the time and thank you, you know, just for all your work and for the thought that you put into it. I think it really, it really has helped me understand the world world a lot better. And I think that's true for a lot of people who listen to your stuff. So let everybody know where they can go, sign up and. And join up. You get. I know if you sign up at Substack, as I do, you get the episodes early, which is. Is cool. You get to get started on them before everybody else. But anything else you want to plug.
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C
And I even feel bad about doing that, honestly. Like, I just. But yeah. So subscribe.myrmade.com is the substack. If you want to support, you can go there. There's a lot of content other than the history podcasts, a lot of essays with audio versions on a podcast feed, interviews, things like that. Other. Other podcasts that I don't put out publicly. Probably a couple hundred pieces of content at this point. And yeah, other than that, the podcast itself, you know, the history podcast is available free wherever you get them. YouTube, iTunes, Spotify. Spotify keeps taking mine down, but I'm working on that. So yeah, you can find them pretty much anywhere. And I just appreciate everybody listening. And as I always say, I said at the beginning of this podcast, in every podcast, you know, the substack subscription, if you are into the podcast and you want access to the exclusive content. And five bucks a month is a lot right now. I've been there. I know what that's like. Just shoot me an email and martyrmaid gmail.com and I'll get you set up with a conversation.
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B
Man, you are a much better historian than you are businessman. But that you. That is a very nice thing for you to say. Oh, and Provoked. And of course, your other podcast with the great Scott Horton, which is really excellent. I love it. I haven't missed an episode of it. It's great. So make sure you guys go check that out. If you haven't already, make sure you're.
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C
Subscribed to Provoked every Friday night, 5 o' clock Pacific, 8 o' clock Eastern. We go live now so you can jump in, watch us live, comment, you know, ask questions, things like that. But then it goes up on YouTube.
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B
Yeah, that's right. And, yeah, it's. It's been absolutely a. A great show. Make sure you guys put that into your. Into your regular feed, if you haven't already, all right? Thank you, Daryl. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Catch you next time. Peace.