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Foreign what's up, everybody? What's up? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith and I am Roland Solo. For this one, Rob is out on the road and he's getting ready. I think he's getting on a plane today, and then I'm getting on a plane tomorrow and we're gonna meet down in Tampa. We'll be doing shows the whole weekend at side Splitters down there, which is like one of my favorite clubs in the country. Always have a great time down there. So really looking forward to it. I hope to see some of you guys out there. If you'd like to come, there still are some tickets available comicdavesmith.com to go grab some. And yeah, hope to see you guys there. Looking forward to a fun weekend. All right, so for today's show, you know, as you guys know, typically when it's just me and I do a solo show, I usually like to kind of, I have like a topic, a broader topic, and then I rant about it for an hour. Today, I don't really have anything like that in mind. There's several different things that have happened over the last few days that I wanted to address. So, you know, I'll still be ranting for an hour, but there's several different topics and I kind of wanted to hit a few of them and I don't know, we'll see how much time I spend on each one. But a few things have happened that have really caught my eye that are in the news today. And a couple of the stories are somewhat related, but it's not exactly like it all has one clear thread. So I guess I'll start with this. There's a couple of controversies. I don't know. I guess I'm always involved in a controversy now, but there's specifically been two over the last couple days that I did not address. And one of them I meant to address in the show yesterday, but just it never came up. And I think I had planned on pointing this out toward the end of the show. And I might have, like, I might have slightly mentioned this, but I don't think I really got into it. So let's just do that now. So I was, I guess the guys over Steven Crowder and his, his co host Morgan were, I don't know, they were trashing me a little bit on the show or something. I saw Steve Steven Crow, you know, it's like with all these things, like, I don't watch Steven Crowder's show, but I get tagged on Twitter whenever he says something about me. And we had like, gone back and forth a couple times when he was. He was kind of, like, criticizing me during the war with Iran. And then I guess recently he was criticizing me, too. And he also said on his show. He said at one point that I. I refused to go on his show, that I don't show up or something like that, which is, like, blatantly not true. Literally, when he. He called me out a couple months ago and issued, like, a. A public invite for me to come on the show, and I said, sure, I'll do that. And then we never locked down a date. You know, it was like, I was. I think we spoke, and then I was like, I'm traveling this week, and then I could do it next week. And then they were like, okay, well, we're off next week. How about the following week? And I was like, well, I'm pretty busy that week. And then we just didn't lock down a. But, like, it wasn't like, they kept following up, and I kept ignoring or something like that. Like, we just never locked it down. I forgot about it. Other things come up. There's just a lot of going on. So I thought that was kind of odd for him to, like, be saying publicly that I'm, like, refusing to show. So of course I was like, hey, I already agreed to. And then, anyway, I. We. We messaged back and forth, and we still haven't locked down a date, but, like, I'm open to do it. So I. I gave them a date that works for me next week, and I haven't heard back yet, so we'll see. But anyway, I just kind of wanted to correct the record on that, but. So they. I don't know. They. They were. I didn't see the segment until after we recorded yesterday's show, but the segment was essentially the. The. Why aren't you celebrating if you were against this thing? Was essentially what their line was. And I just think. I don't know. I find this to be really, really stupid. And I dealt with this on yesterday's show, so there was, like, no need to go. Like, I was like, I already responded to this. Even though I wasn't responding to him, I was responding to Ben Shapiro and all of the rest of them all saying the exact same thing. However, I guess there was this one tweet, which I had, like, not even. You know, I didn't even think there was something remotely controversial about this, but evidently, this is what the. The. The Zionists are very upset at me for. But so that I. I had heard back, you know, because I still have, you know, like, I got some normies. I don't even know what to call them. Let's just say I got people who are like, you know, like fans of mine or people who I know in this world who get a lot of for being fans of mine or who get a lot of for like, having me on their podcast or whatever, because they're like, they. They also have Zionist friends who are like, how dare you platform this Jewish Nazi or whatever. But. So this was evidently a big controversy that all the Zionists on Twitter were. Were saying proves what a horrible person I am or something. So let me just pull up the tweet here, because I think if I read this, you will be like, well, I really am not seeing the controversy there. So here, this is number one. So this is what I said. It was. I was talking to Morgan, who is Stephen Crowder's co host on his show, and he had tweeted something about the celebrating the end of a genocide thing. And. And so I just tweeted back and I said, it's great that the ceasefire is held for a few days and hostage swaps are taking place, but this is a pathetic attempt at a gotcha. The demand for to celebrate before we even know if this nightmare is over makes no sense. That was essentially the tweet. And if you don't, like, see anything controversial with that, that's because you're not like an insane Zionist. But the thing that people objected to there was that I said hostage swaps. And so they jumped on this immediately and they were like, you know, hostage swaps? What are you talking about? This is. The only hostages are the ones in Gaza. The people Israel are releasing our terrorists. And in fact, see if I could find this here. But the Babylon B guy, let me see if I can find this, because he specifically said it, which I appreciated that he just said it out loud. Well, the both of the Babylon B guy, Seth Dillon, said hostage swaps is dishonest framing meant to create an illusion of moral equivalence where none exists. But his partner actually went a bit further and let me see if I could say. But anyway, I'm looking at a whole bunch of people. Alex Baronson, of course, had to jump in on it. Hostage swaps. Once again, Dave tells us who he really is. Hold on. I want to find the. The one from the other. I swear I'll stop reading tweets in a second. But I did want to find the one from the Other Babylon B guy, because he really actually kind of said the quiet part out loud, if you ask me. And we could go through this and we could see who here is. Is being crazy. Okay, so Joel Barry, or Joel Berry, the other guy, he says hostage swaps. Question mark. You mean Israel getting 20 hostages in exchange for almost 2,000 psychotic terrorists, many of whom are guilty of stabbing, shooting, and raping innocent men, women and children to death? Is that what you really mean by hostage swaps? So just to be clear about this, all right, when I said hostage swaps, I meant hostage swaps. And I don't care. It's like, look, he literally said. This is what I find so interesting is he says 2,000 psychotic terrorists. Now, this, to me, was just a great example of the disconnect that is. That has really come to define American politics over the last two years. So these guys are like. And again, it's not. I don't even hate the Babylon B guys. I don't know. These were guys who were like. Probably would have had nothing but nice things to say about me pre October 7th. They did some funny stuff on. On other issues. And I think probably they were pretty good on Covid. I'm. I would have to double check that, but I feel like probably they were. And so I kind. You know, it's like, yeah, kind of like them on that. They were definitely good on wokeism and some other issues that I care about. Probably immigration, if I had to guess. But so I'm not saying it's not that you guys are like evil, psychotic people. It's more like you're animated by some evil spirit or something like that. Like, when it comes to this issue, it just takes over your mind, but from your perspective, obviously, yes. Like, everybody on the Israeli side is an angel, and everybody on the Palestinian side is a savage. And so it seems crazy that I would even say hostage swaps. Like, I mean, we all know as. As Joel Berry just said, the. All the 2,000 over there, they're all terrorists by definition. I mean, they're Palestinian, right? So they're all terrorists. Except that's not true. And this is widely reported and admitted by the Israelis. 1700 of the 2000 that Israel released were people that Israel was holding with no charges, let alone a trial. They haven't been charged with anything. No military tribunal? No. No criminal trial. Obviously nothing. Not even charged with crimes. So, yeah, like, there's this interesting dynamic. And actually it's funny because they decide to pick this fight, but then they are, like, totally unprepared to have it. In fact, I don't think they've even like thought this through. But just to be clear here, by the way, for those of you guys who want to immediately say, well, hey, this is wartime and so not everybody gets charges. It's like, okay, there's 1700 people they rounded up in Gaza, but you know, on top of that, this is what Israel's been doing to Palestinians since way before the last two years. So if you want to say it's war time, well, then the war has been going on since 1947. Like, they just, they just do this to Palestinians all the time. Israel over the years has, has held thousands and thousands of Palestinian prisoners, many of whom never receive charges or a trial. And then the ones who do go in front of like military tribunals, I think they have like a 99 conviction rate or like that. Like, essentially it's all. And you know, anyway, so it is viewed as, it's just a given that they, all of these, as he says, all of them are terrorists. All of them. Okay. Now, according to an Israeli database, they estimated that 75% of the prisoners that Israel was holding were not fighters. This is what they. So you're talking about. Yes, the. Yes, if, if we, if we are working on like modern civilization standards, then yes, these are innocent people. They get the presumption of innocence. You know, if you think of them as people, if you don't think of them as all as subhuman, if you think of them as human beings, then yes, they get the presumption of innocence. You know, it's one of the things. And, and again, this is the, the dynamic that comes up constantly in the Israel, Palestine, like, debate. Is that. So they say, like there was one man, I'm blanking on who it was who made the statement, but it was a high level Israeli official and it was from earlier this year. And they said because the, one of the, somebody had asked them about the settlers in the west bank and how vicious they are toward the Palestinians. And you know, there are constantly these, like, you know, there's constantly incidents in the west bank where, you know, settlers will attack Palestinians, they take their homes, they, you know, there's all types of things that happen. And one of the Israeli officials said, he said, listen, that's a police matter. And there was something kind of revealing about that because he was basically going like, look, we're talking foreign policy right now. You're talking about a domestic police matter. Like, yeah, things happen. This is a country, you know, like, as it as if like someone, you know, you were discussing with Barack Obama or something, you know, or, or Donald Trump, you know, the, our policy in Syria. And then someone said, well, look at the people shooting each other in Chicago. And they were like, yeah, but that's a police matter. This is a military matter. But of course, the, the obvious difference here is that if a terrorist in the west bank were to attack an Israeli settler, which also happens at times, See, that's terrorism. So it's terrorism if they do it, but it's a police matter if it's done by the other side. There's this constant double standard that must always be applied. Otherwise you just see the thing for what it is. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is quints. Why drop a fortune on clothing staples when you don't have to? Quince has all the good stuff at even better prices. We're talking high quality fabrics, classic fits and lightweight layers for the summer at prices that won't break the bank with cashmere and cotton sweaters from just $50, airy pants and flow knit polos that look and feel amazing. Your wardrobe just got a whole lot better, I can tell you. I really like the clothing from, from Quince. They sent me a couple articles. 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So there's like some religious exemptions, but everybody else serves in the idf. And so, you know, okay, but those are still soldiers. That's still military. Like it's just, it Objectively speaking, when there is a conflict like this, holding a military guy and holding a civilian are not the same thing. Again, you know, however you feel about either, it's just different. The point I'm making is that to people like the Babylon BE guys or, you know, dummies like Alex Berenson, they will say, this is just so appalling that you would even suggest there are hostages on both sides. Everyone knows every Israeli held in Gaza is a. Is an innocent angel, and every Arab held by Israel is a terrorist. But that's just not true. It's just like, that's just them presuming the conclusion. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the people who Israel just released were people who had never been charged with anything and according to their own database, not fighters. Like the O. I mean, it was 2000 1700, had no choice. And then they said 75% of that 1700 were not fighters. So, no, it's just not true. Like, these were also people being held. And you know, again, you. If you are an IDF soldier and you've been, you know, militarily occupying Palestine for 60 years and over the last two years have been destroying Gaza, it is a little bit of a different calculation now. That being said, I was still rooting for those guys to go home. That's why I said it's great that the, that the hostage swaps are happening. Like I. But again, it is just. It is simply not living in reality. And look, again, I'm not, I'm not saying this from, like, you know, there's like a, like a hysterical leftist way of talking about bigotry. And that's never been me. Like, I, you know, people have their bigotries and that's. That it's, it's not great. It's particularly ugly when, like, horrific violence is being inflicted on that group of people, because that's what actually matters. Not like what you think or what you say. What actually matters is what you do to other people, but, like, the level of almost cartoonish bigotry that you have to. Have to go, they're all terrorists. I don't need to know anything else about them. The IDF snatched them. They are for. They're a terrorist. Like, even, even just factoring in, like, mistakes that a government made. Like, if they got 2,000 convictions on something, you'd go, well, I mean, it's quite possible that not all 2,000 of them are guilty. I mean, we know how government does it everything. It's not as if they're so much better at courts, you know, it's like, you know, just because like the DMV said you did something wrong doesn't mean you did. And it's true for government courts too. And in fact, obviously there's been lots of, you know, guilty verdicts that have been overturned over the years. But the idea that even when no charges, like they haven't even been charged with anything, let alone convicted in a trial, you can just say with a certainty they're all terrorists and then be offended by my comment. Like, this is, this is a thing that's just wild and it's amazing to watch. It's like, like, it's like a slave master turning around and being offended at like a comment that somebody made walking by, like, dude, you're offended that I said hostage swaps after you've been cheering on the destruction of a captive people for two years. For two years as all of Gaza has been destroyed. You've been cheering it on as politicians go and sign bombs that are going to go be dropped on real human beings as they blockade food, as they, as they don't allow food in for months after leveling the place against a stateless captive people in air force is dropping bombs on a captive people that do not have a military, let alone an air force to defend themselves with. You've been cheering that on, but now you turn around and you're, what, you're morally appalled that I didn't, that I didn't in my mind convict all of the people who have never been charged with anything. Sorry, I mean, this is just, it's too ridiculous. And I just felt like I had to respond to that a little bit. Okay, so that's number one. And then number two is a, a video that at least I saw. I'm not sure if this originated with Dinesh d', Souza, but I, I did see that he posted it and a lot of people were jumping on this. It is, I think, equally ridiculous to this other stuff. I do particularly find, you know, Dinesh d' Souza is, you know, we, we were supposed to debate at one point and I'm not sure what happened with that. I'd still be down to do that if you wanted to, but I do. One of the things I appreciate about Dinesh d' Souza is that he was essentially a neocon who admits he was wrong about everything. He admits he was wrong about the war in Iraq, wrong about foreign policy, General that he bought into a lot of the lies and you know, all this stuff. And you know what? I, I guess I, I Guess I appreciate that because, you know, not everybody does that. But at the same time, there is something about. About cheerleading a war that was just. Anybody who knew anything should have had a responsibility to be able to know that this was complete. Like all the information was completely available. But whatever, you got it wrong. You got tricked. And you advocated for a policy where a million people got killed, trillions of dollars were wasted, tens of thousands of our bravest young boys, you know, committing suicide in the wake of the whole thing. Thousands that were killed in the thing. I just kind of feel like you should go away forever. Maybe that's unfair of me. Maybe that's unfair. I just think you should go away forever. I don't think you should ever talk about politics again. You know, you get something that goddamn wrong and you should go away. I think that. I actually think it's kind of reasonable. But anyway, he kind of has, but not completely, but he posted this video and of course, I'll read his tweet along with it. But this is a video of allegedly what he calls a Muslim Brotherhood jihadi explains, so he says, a Muslim Brotherhood jihadi explains with a tone of incredulity and excitement how Tucker, Candace, and some others on the right are helping the cause of radical Islam worldwide. Now, full disclosure, I have no idea if this guy is actually a member of the Muslim Brotherhood or what this is. I just have the video here. That is what you see. But let's play this video and let's respond to Dinesh d' Souza a little.
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Bit here that we're seeing now. Right wing bases. Who would have thought that Tucker Carson, of all people would sit there and be the number one advocate against Zionism in America today? Candace Owens, did you guys see the Ted Cruz interview where Tucker Carson rips into Ted Cruz and completely destroys him? Matt Walsh, likewise. And all. There's a huge Marjorie Taylor Greene. Sean King said to me when we were in the car once, he said, sammy, you don't understand who Marjorie Taylor Greene is. She's the representative of the most racist area in Georgia. African Americans were told not to go to her area. She's now one of the loudest advocates against Zionism. But here's my point about the Ummah. When you said that we've done everything we can, why has that change taken place? Because we started to deploy a power that we haven't maxed out yet. Trump is looking at Tucker Carson, who's saying we shouldn't get involved. Candace Owens. We shouldn't get involved. Matt Walsh. We shouldn't get involved. Dave Smith. Trump needs to be impeached if he goes into Iran. So Donald Trump, because of that scream, because of you hearing Kuala Lumpur, because of us in London, because of those in Berlin, in Rome, because we actually decided to speak about it, because it became relevant, because we decided to tweet about it, because we decided to show the, because we decided to do Dawah at last, instead of sleeping. What happened was Trump instead went to the Iranians and said to them, listen, I need a way out. I'm going to send two bombers. They're going to bomb. But what did Israel say? These three sites or scream? Your voice, it has power. It shifted an entire US Foreign policy. It stopped Trump from intervening in Iran itself. And this is the whole point when people say, why come to Kuala Lumpur? Why go to these places? It's because the power is not there like you think it is. The power is here. We are achieving results. They said that when Trump comes to power, it will be disastrous, like for Muslims in America. Mahmoud Khalid arrested, released. Rumay Sat Oztur arrested, released. Mohsen Mahdawi arrested, released. American Muslims for Palestine. Tried in Michigan. The case was dropped. Tried in Nevada. The case was dropped. They tried to pass the anti boycott bill. Marjorie Taylor Greene, she pulled it. They tried to do a nonprofit killer bill where the attorney general would have the unilateral right to remove a tax exempt status. Guess who removed that clause from the bill? Christian churches. Who said, why is Zionism intervening in terms of how we decide our nonprofit? The reality is that people are making an effort and it's working.
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All right, so now look, Dinesh, of course, in what I find to be a very dishonest way, is not actually making any claims. But he's playing this video and kind of leaving it like, well, doesn't this say everything you need? You know, that's always by the way, one of the tells when you're being duped by political commentators is when they don't actually say the part, they just leave you to infer it because they're, it's usually them going like, well, I know I can't really say anything about this, so I'll just kind of leave it here. Well, look, the Muslim Brotherhood sure seems to like what you guys are doing or something like that. I just find this, particularly from someone like Dinesh d' Souza who has, I mean, look, by his own admission, gotten issues of wars in the Middle east, catastrophically wrong to like use this cheapest of tricks that, hey, look, these, these guys in The Muslim Brotherhood, who probably don't like Israel, are thrilled that you guys are criticizing Israel just because obviously the point they're being right, that, like, let's say we had had the platform and the voice that we have today in 2002. Let's say guys like me and Scott Horton and Candace Owens and. And Tucker Carlson, where he is now. You know what I mean? Like, guys like this, we. Let's say we had all had large voices in 2002, and we were standing up against the invasion of Iraq that Danesh Duat Shear led for. You know, we were trying to stop people like Desh Dua from getting a million people killed. Well, quite possibly Saddam Hussein and his sons and his men would have been thrilled. They would have stood to gain a lot by that. Maybe one of them would have even said, it's great that these guys over there are standing up about this. But again, what does that prove? It doesn't prove anything. Like, any time that you have an opinion on foreign policy, there will be other groups who benefit or lose as a result of that. Right? So, like, if you are a supporter of what America did during World War II, well, then there's probably a lot of Communists who really agreed with your take on that, because it was really good for the Communists that America joined the war and fought on their side and partnered with Joseph Stalin. Does that prove that you're like a Stalinist or something like that? Does that prove that. That you're a puppet of Joseph Stalin? No, this just means that you had a view on that policy. I mean, it does prove in some degree you're willing to partner with the Communists in that particular example. But like, any one of these conflicts, right, whether you're on the side of the war or you're against the war, there's going to be an entire faction who agrees with you. You know, there's probably a whole lot of Shiites in Iraq who are happy that George W. Bush invaded. I mean, not, you know, a lot of them got killed in the fighting, but, like, ultimately would have been happy at the idea of Saddam being overthrown again. It's just like a cheap trick. This doesn't prove anything. And as far as, look, obviously this guy, who, whoever he is, is getting a lot of things wrong. I mean, like, I, you know, I don't know, black people can't go into Marjorie Taylor Greene's district or something like that. And no, I just, I don't think just because he said it doesn't mean that. Actually, what's moving my what's moving my podcast or what I say on the Joe Rogan show or what I say on Tucker show or on a debate or something like that that's being determined in Malaysia? Is that the. Is that what you think, Dinesh? That that's what's happening? It's like, look, like, I remember, you know, reading about this. Like, okay, so when, like, when the Soviet Union collapsed In. In 1991, there was. The Soviet Union had invaded Afghanistan in 1980, there was. The US had essentially been attempting to lure the Soviet Union into an invasion of Afghanistan. And they had been arming the mujahideen in Afghanistan, including Osama bin Laden, kind of like the. The proto Al Qaeda organization. And when the Soviet Union collapsed, the Osama bin Laden and his fighters, they all in their minds were like, we did that. We lured them into this war and we bled them dry and left them running and we destroyed the Soviet Union. That was like, that was the Al Qaeda takeaway from the Soviet Union collapsing. And also the American takeaway was that we destroyed the Soviet Union because we got them into this war in Afghanistan and got them to bleed themselves dry and all of our, you know, containment policies and all this stuff. And then also, like, the people of the republics and the. And the other satellites that were controlled by the Soviet Union, they also thought they were responsible for bringing the Soviet Union down. Now, the truth is, I don't know. You know, it's like, I don't know, maybe all these factors everybody played in a little bit, but, like, it's from this guy's perspective, it might be the case that, oh, it's because we're making so much noise that these people in America started to turn on Israel. That's just not true. It's not true with any of the people he's named. Like, there's just no way. There's no way that any reasonable person could be convinced that Tucker Carlson or Candace Owens or myself or Marjorie Taylor Greene or who were the other people who he listed there? I think that those were definitely most of them. You think any of us were taking our cues from the Muslim Brotherhood? Like, that's what we. I've never even. I've never cited a Muslim Brotherhood source in my life. I mean, like, I don't. What are you talking about? Because it had nothing to do with anything you were saying in Indonesia or Malaysia or Egypt or whatever. What happened is just that Israel has way too much influence on our government, and what they're doing to the Palestinians is just too horrible. And People saw that. That's it. That's the whole scandal right there. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is My Patriot Supply. The cold weather will be here before you know it. 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All right, let's get back into the show. So, I don't know, I guess it's my punishment in life is that I, I got to respond to some of these, you know, ridiculous kind of controversies that are made up. But again, this one, too, there's just nothing to that. It just simply doesn't prove anything that there'd be some group there who might also agree with you. It's like, again, like, not to make like, ridiculous examples, but down to like, being like, Hitler loved dogs. You know what I mean? Like, if you love dogs, that doesn't mean you're somehow on the same team or sympathetic to Adolf Hitler. And if you, if you are for almost any policy, almost any policy you could think of, there will be people who you probably don't agree with on a lot of other things who will be for that policy also, you know, it's just, that's what happens. And so if you, if you are an immigration restrictionist, there will probably be some racists who like what you're saying there. If you are, you know, for open borders, there'll probably be some anti white racists who really like what you're saying there. But that doesn't mean that neither of those are an argument against restricting Borders or opening borders. You know, like, it's just not. It doesn't follow. It's a very low IQ way of viewing politics that, oh, if anybody else ever agrees with you on something, that is what I mean, you're not exactly saying, but you're posting the video and kind of leaving it to your audience to determine that were stooges of the mother. I mean, like, for example, there's also, like, there's also radical Islamist groups. I mean, for example, right, The Houthis in Yemen, who have been one of the big enemies of all of these Zionists, right? They, of course, were, Were, you know, attacking some ships and, and trying to cause problems for Israel and at certain points, the United States of America over what they claim was their. Over the treatment of the Palestinian people. Okay, Those are the Houthis. They were in a big civil war with Al Qaeda. For years. It was Al Qaeda on one side and the Houthis on the other. So every time you're bombing the Houthis, you know who's pretty happy about that? Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. You know, like, if I had a video of some Al Qaeda guy saying he really loved that Israel took out the Houthis, would I. Would you ever imagine me holding that over Dinesh d' Souza's head? I mean, these guys, by the way, in Libya, Syria and Yemen supported fighting on the side of Al Qaeda. So you throw Muslim Brotherhood at me, Dinesh d', Souza, I raise you one. Al Qaeda, actual enemies of the American people. Not just. Not just the enemies of the military dictatorship that the US Props up in Egypt. Enemies of the American people. Al Qaeda, by the way, isn't there something interesting? I always thought this was like, an interesting dynamic, but that at the. Because the. The neocons essentially got kind of like their first hold on power in the Reagan administration. I think a couple of them went back to Ford, but I think for the most part, it was in the Reagan administration that they kind of got in and like, they, like, for people who know the history of this, there was like, Team B at the CIA, and they were, you know, they were cold warriors. And they were always, you know, back then, this is when they were first, like, kind of establishing their relationships with the military industrial complex. And they would always. Team B was famously known for, like, just coming up with ridiculous like, like war propaganda, like, like WMD type hoaxes, but with the Soviet Union, who certainly did have a lot of WMDs, but they were. They would always be cranking out this intelligence that the threat was much worse than it is. This is literally leading up to the collapse of the Soviet Union like which they did not see coming. All. And in fact a few of the neocons were on record calling out Reagan for being like not nearly hawkish enough with the Soviet Union because this, you know, I think the, the George Will line was that he guaranteed another century of Soviet dominance or something like that. Like a few years later the whole thing collapsed. So they weren't exactly even back then. They were really, really stupid and wrong about all of their views. But they would do these things where like Team B that says would do things where like I remember one of the examples. It's been a long time since I read about this, but like one of the examples was that they were, they were claiming that the Russians had developed these like crazy high tech subs that they did not have at all. And then they would run the like the, like other teams in the CIA would be like, no, I mean we, we checked on the radar and nothing's picking up. But then Team B would say that's proof that they've developed subs that are undetectable by radar. So like whatever evidence you had to them, they always had, you know, some thing about how. No really. See they're. That, that just proves that we're right. But anyway, the dynamic that was really interesting is that these, this young developing neoconservative movement and Al Qaeda, or the prototype kind of of Al Qaeda, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. But this was because there was in Afghanistan there was like a local mujahideen, but then there were also like the foreign Arab fighters who like bin Laden, you know, Saudis and stuff who, who came in. And so both the neocons and Al Qaeda, like their takeaway was that we just defeated the Soviet Union, which is just kind of interesting to me that then they end up being, you know, on opposing sides of the war on terrorism, like the George W. Bush government versus Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. But they both kind of had this origin story of their, their battle with the Soviet Union. Anyway, just kind of nerdy, interesting history stuff. Okay. Okay. So those are the two controversies I wanted to get out of the way and I did. Okay, let's, let's go to the Gavin Newsom video. I'll be quick on that and then I'll, I'll get to the final topic that I wanted to talk about today. So let's go to. I just thought this was interesting because this was. Gavin Newsom was just recently who almost by default still seems to be the best the Democrats have right now, which is really wild to think about. But like it's, you know, you start, you start thinking about where we actually are in the, the schedule or the calendar of this whole thing, which is a little easy to lose sight of because number one, Donald Trump has this weird thing of being president for four years, out for four years, back for four years, which we haven't seen in my lifetime. That has happened before, but seen it in, in many years. And so you kind of, it almost feels like his first term, but you realize no, this is his second term. And of course Joe Biden being the candidate in 2020 and then most of 24 left you in a situation where like the last Democrat who he had a four year term but obviously he has no hope of coming back. You know, I think he just started radiation treatment. He's not coming back to be president. He couldn't even finish his run the second time. Kamala Harris was uniquely terrible and so she came in and she's not. Nobody thinks she's seriously going to have a shot at winning the nomination. And no new star has emerged that you've. Now we're starting to get pretty late in the game. I mean there's still some time but like you'd, you'd kind of have to be planning it at this point or at least coming up pretty soon. And so anyway, no new start. And so Gavin Newsom is almost by default left. You have this party that is in the trash can is the most like toxic, unpopular brand in America right now. And Gavin Newsom is just kind of there as the well spoken governor. Okay. But at the same time, you're like Kevin Newsom, first off, your state's a disaster. You're in. He's a transparently slimy politician, which is really not what this moment is calling for. And when it comes to the major divisive issue over the last two years, this is what he had to say. He got asked about apac. Anyway, let's, let's play the clip and then we'll, we'll discuss.
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Interesting. You're like the first to bring up APAC in years, which is interesting.
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I will not vote for a candidate that takes $1 from APAC. It's interesting.
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I mean it's interesting. I haven't thought about apac and it's interesting. You're like the first to bring up APAC in years, which is interesting. Why not? Not relevant to the, my day to day life.
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Okay.
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Which is just interesting. Listen it's interesting you say that. JPAC perhaps more, but APAC less and less.
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Okay, fair enough.
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Which is just interesting.
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What's interesting about it?
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That it's just interesting as you bring up aipac, that it hasn't been part of. I'm just reflecting quite openly and honestly. Hasn't been part of the day to day.
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Yeah. The only reason, the only reason why I ask is because with that, what I'm talking about is lobbying in and of itself. So there is like if the feel, if uncomfortability could come to life and be a human for 20 seconds. I mean, he said the word interesting like 27 times. He's, and he's just so clearly uncomfortable and he just said interesting so many times. And then the guy goes, why is that interesting? And it's like, because I don't think about it. Like, okay, yeah, I guess in a way it's kind of interesting. Who the hell hasn't been thinking about this? Who the hell hasn't been thinking about the Israel as the Israel lobby over the last couple of years? I don't know, it's just, it's bizarre is what it is. But clearly there, I mean, you just, it was just like a moment where you're like, hey, how, how the hell does this guy possibly overcome being scared to death to take any stand on what is up there with like the biggest issues in politics today? Now you could say, hey, I hope, look, it's still late 2025, or you're hoping by 2028 this isn't, you know, as white hot of an issue or something like that. But there is something about, there's something about being so terrified of taking a position and you could see it in him, right, where it's, it's kind of similar in a way to the dynamic I talked about with Charlie Kirk a lot where he was caught between the rock and a hard place of the young people and the donors. You know, the, on, on the Democratic side of things, people are overwhelmingly against what Israel's just done. And of course when you're talking about liberals and leftists, if you bring up a lobbying group, you know, they're already, they're already just totally pre wired to be skeptical of money and politics. Right? And so it's just to take a pro APEC position would be like just death amongst your constituents, but then to take an anti APEC position would be the death of your donor class and you would get just a whole bunch of, of, you know, a whole bunch of problems for that. There's a huge cost to be paid for being a critic of Israel at that level of politics. And you know, one of the things that's drastically changed over the last couple of years is that maybe there's, there's not a huge cost, I guess, to being me or, you know, like to being a podcaster who wants to say what you want to say. Well, there's a pretty big audience for that these days. And at least at the very moment we're talking about, we're not living through like a mass censorship moment in the way that we, we were just a few years ago. So like, for the moment, I can say this stuff and it's like, okay, it doesn't look like I'm getting kicked off of, you know, YouTube or, or iTunes or Twitter or something like that. But if you want to be as, as we saw, right, as, as was demonstrated with Charlie Kirk losing $2 million for, you know, platforming Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and maybe someone else, there's still a price to be paid for that. And at this level of politics, there's an enormous price to be paid. It's not a coincidence that nobody at that level of politics is ever an Israel critic. And just think about that for a second. I think about how, how, how, you know, I was going to say divided, but I don't even know how divided the population is over this question. But it's at least a huge portion of the population that is totally opposed to Israel, but yet they'll never be represented at the top of politics. Right. And so anyway, this, I just thought this was interesting because it kind of shines a light on a dynamic that is a real problem for the Democrats, just an unbelievable political problem that they have going forward. And you do wonder how, how you can possibly bridge this gap. I mean, what can you do? You're good. Like your plan is to be neutral and just say strange over and over or interesting over and over. I was like, I don't know. Don't think that's going to cut it. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Vandy Crisps. Did you know that all chips and fries used to be cooked in tallow up until the 1990s when big corporations switched to cheap processed seed oils. Well, now there's Vandy Crisps. They decided to do something about this. They created a tasty and delicious potato chip with just three ingredients and no seed oils. That grass fed beef tallow is not just for flavor. It's packed with nutrients, which are great for your skin, your brain and your hormones. And snacking on Vandy chips is nothing like eating regular chips. With Vandy, you feel satisfied, light and energetic with no crash, bloat or gross sluggish feeling afterward. Vandy is 100% American, made with zero compromises. 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I don't know if he was reinstated and then kicked off or if he, like, started a new thing and then it got kicked off, but he put his show on Spotify and evidently it rose up to being number one on the Spotify charts. Now, I don't know exactly how the Spotify charts, like, measure the rankings. I believe they changed it a bit over the last year or so, but they certainly like they it. I. I know because I've shot up on those on that chart before. Never to number one. I was, I believe, at number two for a little while, like right after. Maybe it was like right after the. The Douglas Murray debate or something like that. But they give you, like, if you got a lot of action in a moment, you can shoot up those charts. But clearly there was like a ton of excitement for Nick Fuentes's show to be there. It's a real accomplishment to make it up to number one on those charts, however the hell they exactly measure them. And that seems pretty organic to me. I mean, I know the episode we had Fuentes on was our most viewed episode. We've ever done of part of the problem. And he's done a whole bunch of other shows that are huge. His show is doing enormous numbers. And then Spotify kicked him off. And there is, I don't know, I just. There's something about that that is really fascinating to me. And part of it is that you would just think that even from the point of view of the censorious, desiring people, you know, the, the people who are happy to see Nick Fuentes show get kicked off, it is interesting, right, that you would think like the last 10 years would give them a lot of pause about doing this. I mean, Nick Fuentes is one of the most censored people on social media and has been for quite a while now for a good portion of the last, you know, what was it, six years ago? I think he got kicked off YouTube and then got kicked off a lot of other stuff. And then a few years, like five years ago, I think he had got deep debanking and was put on no fly list and this type of stuff, or at least that's what he says. You know, I don't know. I haven't like, seen his banking records, but I don't think he's lying about that. And he's bigger than ever. Like, you threw all of this at him and he's bigger than ever. Wouldn't, wouldn't you think you would look at this and go, hey, maybe that's not going to work? Donald Trump got kicked off of everything, including Twitter. Donald Trump got kicked off of Twitter and Facebook. Like the, he was, it was at the end of his presidency, he was the sitting President of the United States of America and couldn't tweet. And then he was banned on almost everything. And look how that worked out. It turns out it didn't, it didn't vanquish Donald Trump or any of Donald Trump's supporters. And at this point, the idea that, like, what you're, you're gonna, like, you're gonna try to squash him before this guy ends up getting big, I think you're a little late to that dance. And I think that all of these, at, at the very least, the efforts to censor him have not worked. And at the worst, they've backfired and made him stronger again. This is from the pro censorship position. Now from my position, I just think this is, it is so bad for society. It's just not good. It's not good. You know, somebody said to me the other day that they some, you know, and if I got a Few comments like this that they were outraged that I platformed Nick Fuentes. And I just couldn't even believe it. I just couldn't even believe someone was still saying that. Like, it was like a weird. It's almost like, you know, like when you see those, like old Mamdani tweets and he's. He had things where they just sound like a woke mad lib. Like he was like, defunding the police is queer liberation. You're like, what does that even mean? It's like, Like, I felt like that people go, did you platform Nick Fuentes? I go, I'm sorry, are you calling from 2017? Like, what. What are you talking about? I didn't platform him. He platformed me. If anything, like, I don't know. What do you mean? There's. It's a. It's like a ridiculous idea. They were given this. There was. There's this one guy show that I did. It was like a smaller show. Not knock him. I like the guy a lot, but it was a smaller show. And then people who were. Were outraged that he platformed me. And you're like, he didn't platform me. Like, what are you talking about? There's just a level that people reach where I think you go, look, as soon as some. If somebody's got hundreds of thousands of hardcore supporters who are going to listen to everything they do, and then the big shows that they do are going to get millions and millions of views. If you're at that level, you're part of the conversation now, no matter how anyone feels about it, hey, there might be things that you disagree with them on. There might even be views they have that you really find abhorrent, okay? But it's resonating with a large group of people, so you're going to have to take those ideas on. Now, that is just, to me, like, so obvious. And I. I just think it's. It's. It's bad for society to not have these conversations. I think that. Look, at least with. In the conversation with me, I thought there were several things that Nick said that I really appreciated very much. Like, you know, him. Him coming out and vocally condemning racial hatred and things like this. I think that I. I don't see who sees that as a bad thing. And you only get that from having conversations. And look, there were. There were other things that I still disagree with Nick about. We have different worldviews in many ways. There's also a really interesting conversation, and there's no way to reach him or reach the People who listen to him if you don't at least attempt to grapple with what he's putting forward. And you know, part of the reason why a lot of these guys don't like to go down that path is because Nick is very formidable and you got, you actually got to work to grapple with a lot of the stuff that, that he's putting out there. And so anyway, I just thought that was, and, and again, just what a, what a win for him. Like, it just, it, it's, it's so short sighted I think, to think that this is going to be like, what takes someone down. Like, it's just totally, you're, you're doing nothing but convincing people that you are like, you are tyrannical in spirit and incapable of actually engaging in the battle of ideas. It's just horrible. So I did want to say that. Big, big mistake by Spotify. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Kalsha. 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So there was this Politico piece about some like leaked group chats from young Republicans groups. And these were like from all over the place. This is reading from the, the Politico piece here. This exchange is part of a trove of telegram chats obtained by political and spanning more than seven months of messages amongst young Republican leaders in New York, Kansas, Arizona and Vermont. The chat, the chat offers an unfiltered look at how a new generation of GOP activists talk when they Think no one is listening. And so the title of the piece is, quote, I love Hitler. Leaked messages Expose Young Republicans Racist chat. Okay, so essentially what they have here, and it's interesting because there's one of the dynamics that I talked about when, when we had Nick on the show, essentially dynamic here, is that they've figured out how young men talk. This is, again, this is not anything new. This is not anything that any real human being doesn't know. It is a weird, a strange characteristic of the now dead legacy media, like the corporate media would always have these things. In fact, south park did a great bit on this over the Tiger woods thing. I don't know if anyone remembers, this was an old, an old south park where they was. It came out that Tiger woods had been, you know, cheating all over his wife or whatever. And then they'd cut to the news and all the men would, would be acting like they're appalled, like, next to a woman. And the woman would be like, tiger Woods. Jesus, why would anyone do that? And then it would cut to some man, be like, I know, right? I mean, who would even want to sleep? Lots of attractive women. You know, it's just this weird thing that the media does. I, I had a bit about this in my, my first hour about Jake Tapper, when he acted like he was appalled over Donald Trump's grabbing by the comment Jake Tapper said. He said he played sports in college and he was in a fraternity and he's been in a lot of locker rooms and he's never heard men talk like that. And you're like, dude, what? Like, never heard, like, I would maybe believe, never participated. Although, come on. Who can really say they've never said offensive things in their life but never hurt you never heard another dude talking about pussy. This is a foreign concept to you that is like, no, my God, of course it's not. But there's a thing you do when you put on a suit and tie and you do the old corporate news things and you say, and action. Earlier today in Southern Michigan, there was an incident between blah, blah, blah, and you, you kind of like assume this fake personality. And then when someone says, like, talks like a regular person, you go, this was appalling, outrageous comments made in a hot mic incident. But like, this is just. I don't know. I'm, I'm 42. The. You're talking about young guys here. These are guys in their, in their early 20s and they're on chat. Me and my friends in our early 20s used to say the most Horrible things. And if you go actually read through these chat logs, you see that, like, that's what 90% of this is. It's like sarcastic jokes. And anyway, there's obviously, look, Politico is running this piece to say, hey, look, there's a Nazi problem amongst the. The young Republicans here. Nick Fuentes show is getting banned on Spotify. So they can say, look this. And it's just. This is one of the things me and Nick talked about is. It's like, is the pretense being set up for the next rollback of free speech for the next attack? And it's hard to not say. Like, you see, we lived in this era of where, you know, like, there was tremendous censorship on social media, and that censorship was rolled back and now you see, like, more Nazi stuff than ever before. And it's just hard to not look at that and go, oh, okay, is the other shoe about to drop here? Are they about to use this as the excuse to roll these things back? I would just say, as I think I've been consistent on this position for many years now, that the censorship is not the. Even if you are very concerned with this trend, you still should be able to understand that censorship is not what leads to a healthy, open society. It's not. It makes this problem worse. And on. On top of just the fact that it's a. It's a horrible thing to do to somebody that's genuinely wrong. It's a. It's a. It's a horrible thing to do to somebody to, like, take their voice away or attempt to take their voice away. And I never support that. I just think it's wrong. It's like that's. It's a very fundamental belief, like, we are all human beings and all we have in this world really is our mind. Like, that's really what it is to be alive and to try, you know, to. To not be a slave and to be a free person is to be allowed to think what you want and therefore allowed to express what you believe and also be allowed to get things wrong. You know, there were these standards that were created during, like, the rise of woke insanity that were just like, totally unrealistic standards. This is like cartoonishly unrealistic. And in fact, they seem to be designed to be unrealistic so that there would always be a weapon that you could attack people with. You know, they. There. There was one push. I remember for a while this was like a radical feminist view that did seep a little bit into the mainstream a little bit. But There, there was actually a radical feminist view that said there were papers written on this and shit that they called it piv, I believe, which is penis in vagina. And the argument was that all sex is rape. All sex, penetration is rape. So like, what do you even do with that? You're just like, so everyone's a rapist. Every man is a rapist and every woman is a rape victim. Everyone. Well then, okay, like, what do you do with that? Just everybody's guilty. You just look at it like, right. Immediately you're just like, well, that's an unworkable standard then. Right? And likewise, if the standard is going to be that young men can never be young men, even in a private chat, they can't blow off steam and make offensive jokes. That is a standard that leads to all of the masculine energy being pushed aside. Like, it leads to men, real men, all being excluded and only the mo, the weakest, most feminine men to be allowed in. And it leaves acceptable society with a distinct feminine characteristic. And like, that isn't good. It's not an anti female thing to say, but like, that is not good. We are yin and yang. There's a reason for both of us. There's a, there's a role for both men and women in society. And what do you think it does to those young men when you kick them out of polite society and force them into the dark? Like, what's the goal of this Politico piece to get all these guys fired and kicked out of politics? It's like, okay, and so where do you think they go from there? Do you think they moderate their position based on, on that happening to them? You know, especially after the last 15 years of madness and, and now coming out of that madness, in a world where young people grow up on their phones now, you know, it's not the world that I grew up in. All the, all the crazy things that me and my friends said in our 20s is gone. There's no paper trail. It's not on video. You know, but that's not the reality today. The reality today is it's happening in group chats and it's happening on social media and it's happening on in 4K. You know, everyone's got a video camera in their pocket at all times and everyone's got the means by which to share that with the entire world. We are going to make the standards that if you said something that we consider up, even if it's a joke in your early 20s, that you should be ruined for that. That is like unworkable for society and profoundly unfair to young men as not it's and that's not good for any of us. Okay, I'm gonna wrap there. Thank you guys very much for listening traveling tomorrow, but me and Rob will record a a a few podcasts this weekend so you'll hear from us in soon. Catch you then. Peace.
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