B (6:12)

But it was the Leaning Center. The Leaning center or like line ring or whatever it was.

A (6:17)

It was just the word, the word learning without the R in there. So that, I mean, which was particularly funny. Now I did see people pushing back that they were like, no, the reason why there's no kids in that one is because it's already been shut down by the state. The, the issue is that, okay, they still got a grant this year and they still got a grant last year. And so like, if the state is giving out taxpayer dollars in the millions to a place that they just have to shut down because it's so bad anyway, that's still a pretty big scandal. How like the idea that you could put leaning or leering, I mean, maybe the end was missing. Whatever. I think it was leering instead of learning, you know, that already is up is pretty damning. So anyway, I don't know, Rob, you, you could start off with any thoughts that you have because there's a lot of different angles to go down here.

B (7:12)

Well, I sure hope we don't end up being a bunch of suckers. And it turns out that he just went out on like Christmas week. And so it happens to be that all these places were closed. Doesn't appear to be that way. But I remember I should do more of this. This was early. Run your mouth. Right after Charlottesville and we defeated a Nazi uprising in this country with urine really, really remarkable story the week later. No one's gonna remember this, but someone had planned a like free speech rally in Boston and the media went nuts as if it was supposed to be a second Charlotte.

A (7:43)

Yeah. Oh yeah.

B (7:45)

And this was such an eye opening incident for me was I got the kid who was a nice college kid who had organized the event to come on my podcast, and I got the firsthand story from this kid about how the news and media just decided that his event was something that it wasn't, portrayed it that way in the media. Everyone went nuts. That it was supposed to be some white nationalist get together. And, and then the thing got shut down and I was like, how? At the time, my podcast was like 200 listeners maybe. I was like, how am I the one person who's actually talking to the source on this? Literally the only one person in the country that decided to actually talk to the kid that organized it. And then you just find out the entire thing is a facade and the entire thing is fabricated. So there's kind of two takeaways here. One is just how much of a bubble of like fake information we're living under because the media just doesn't cover some topics and over treats others. And also just like the fact that we live in a world without real journalism. I mean, this story was just here for the taking. 60 Minutes didn't want to do a piece there wasn't what? Fox News didn't want to make Tim Walls look bad. Not one person thought to just go around and be like, oh, let's go look at all the businesses that got these grants and see if they're even there. The fact that this was just there for the taking and who knows how many other stories are like this where it's just so blatantly obvious and, and just so showcases. Wait, the governor was just handing out checks and no one, no one thought to be like, hey, there's nothing here. Like, how do you even fraud. How is it that easy to defraud the government? It's quite a, quite a shocking thing. And you know, I don't think the news organizations will ever learn, but hopefully YouTube keeps putting it. You know what I mean? Like, hopefully there's enough market returns for this kind of stuff that a lot of people just start getting out there.

A (9:27)

Yeah, you know what? That's right. All of that's exactly right. And look, I, I mean if there is something where the, like, like, if there's something that this guy got wrong in the, in the video or whatever, it's like, well, okay, well then point that out. And like, if he's from. But it does seem that, like the, like, even just from the research I've been able to do, like the grants are real, the places are real. In fact, very bizarrely, there was one of them where, and this has been verified by a bunch of people, where the phone number led back to Tim Waltz's office, which is very strange. And like, look, I'm not even saying that means anything. Like, maybe there's some other explanation for why that would be. I highly doubt that. Like, Tim Waltz also thought, I'm gonna get in on this and like, open up one of my own and take grandma. That seems like it would be too sloppy for anyone who's even gotten to the level of governor. Like, they have more sophisticated ways to, to extort money than that. But that's a big question. What the hell is going on here? And one thing I thought that was very interesting is that. And it really does show something about the time we live in. So I go, because I was just curious today. So I checked like almost all the news sites of just like the big corporate news sites, like I, I went to nbcnews.com, reuters and CNN and a whole bunch of others. None of them had it in the top story. None of them. And you know, that part of that is just that, like they don't want to allow some 23 year old guy with a YouTube channel to be dictating what the news of the day is, because that's already kind of like a loss for them, no matter what side of the thing you're on. But at the same time, it's got 115 million views on it. The thing's been viewed by more than all of you guys combined. And so, like, I don't know, there's just a very interesting dynamic to that. Like the new media landscape we live in. We're like, all right, guys, you can ignore this then. I understand the calculation you're making. Like, we let him seem like he's the big dog if we get. But the calculation is wrong because now you're just irrelevant. You're not talking about the thing that everyone wants to talk about. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Crowd Health, an amazing company that I've been telling you about for many years. What if you could get health care for under $100 a month? Well, now that is a reality. Introducing the Black Swan membership, the health care alternative for those who want Autonomy over their care, their costs and their lifestyle. For just $95 a month, you get a team of expert bill negotiators, access to low cost prescriptions, lab testing and a curated database of high quality, low cost doctors vetted by crowd health. There's no insurance middleman. There's no network dictating your care, just you in the driver's seat. And if a major black swan event hits, you cover the first $15,000 and the crowd steps in to help fund the rest. It's like the freedom we used to have before Obamacare turned healthcare into a bureaucratic nightmare. So if you're ready to end 2025 on your terms, use the promo code potp@joincrowd health.com and you'll get the first three months for just $80. That's right. Kick off the new year with HealthC Care that puts you first. Crowd health is not insurance. Opt out, take your power back. This is how we win. Visit Joincrowd Health.com and use promo code POTP today. All right, let's get back into the show.

B (12:57)

And I think this is such an important story because I think people need to realize it's real nice when you sit at home and someone tells you, hey, government can step in and we can provide these important social services. And I'm sure that this is not the only story in this country. I mean, I think you could look at California homelessness and how much money has gone to that and how much homelessness it's solved. But this is the socialist pitch is, listen, we're going to borrow from future generations. We're going to forcibly take money from wealthy individuals. And as long as you allow us to distribute the money, we're going to make sure that important services are taken care of for you. And how good are they at actually making sure that these services are done? You're the ones who are pitching, hey, we're going to govern. We're the best at dolling out these resources and the things that you need, we're going to oversee it. That's the pitch. That's the job that you anointed yourself as being great at. So if you got someone like Tim Walls who is all for social services, it's no excuse of, oh, I wasn't able to execute on them. Well, even if he was not in on the grift, just the idea that you're going to step in and go, listen, I'm the best at this. I'm going to take money from the private market. I'm going to forcibly redistribute it. And that's how we're going to make sure the kids and other social services are taken care of. And then you see, oh, they're actually really bad at this because it's not what's important to them. What's important to them is inserting themselves so that they can have control.

A (14:20)

Yeah, that's right. Well, look, and that's exactly right. And then, and let's just add a little to that because when you say they're not good at this, it's not as if we're just saying like, you know, like let's say there's just two sandwich shops and one of them makes a really good sandwich and the other one just doesn't make that good of a sandwich. Like they're better at this than the other. It's like the government is bad at this for inherent structural reasons. There's a reason why socialism does not work. And one of the major factors, right, is that, look, even if you like, if you remember, I don't know, you ever read wealth of nations by Adam Smith, Rob? But it was years ago that I read it. But it's like one of the most famous economic books ever. But it's like where he, he coins the terms like the invisible hand of the market. And he, you know, he talks about how he, he writes like in really beautiful language. So it's like not by the benevolence of the butcher does he provide meat for the community. And he's making the point that, like, look, there's obviously people have their own self interest. The butcher is trying to support his family. It's not just that he cares that you eat, but the way he supports his family is by getting you your meat. And if he gives you really shitty meat, you're probably not going to come back to him. And therefore he's got to do at least a decent enough job of giving you something or you're not going to, he's not going to be able to. So the point is that the market has this like, ability to, to move incentives in a way that like, you're actually incentivized to provide something of value to your customers for your own selfish interests. But we don't rely on saying that like the guy at the, at the auto shop is motivated by the fact that he really just loves cars and really wants to see people driving cars or, you know what I mean? You go, no, he's got a family and he's got bills to pay and he's got other he has his own self interests, but his, he's incentivized to do a decent job, so people keep coming back to him. So he has customers and he can make more money. And then the market has a cleansing mechanism. The cleansing mechanism is the profit and loss system. That's not perfect, but it at least does somewhat of a job of like, if you're just doing a terrible job in providing your service, there's a good chance you're going to go out of business. Now, the government sector, the public sector that you're talking about, which again, the key difference between the private sector and the government sector is that the private sector is based around voluntary interactions and the public sector is based around forced interactions. Right? Like every, every relationship you have in your life, every job you do, assuming you're not a government employee. But everyone here, like me, you, Rob and Natalie, we're all here because we voluntarily agree to be here. Now that doesn't mean that everybody's thrilled with every aspect of everything every day. But like, you could leave if you want to. No one's holding the gun to your head. You're, you're here because you've agreed to be here, myself included. Um, there's, this is true for almost every relationship you have and your friendships, your, your relationships, your, you know, you, you could leave if you want to. You choose not to. And if there's ever a situation where that's not the case, then something criminal is going on. You know, like something where you could, someone could go to jail over that. Government is the big exception to that. You're forced to pay your taxes or you go to jail, you're forced to comply with regulations or they shut down your business, you're forced to obey laws or you go to jail. And so there is no cleansing mechanism. If, like you said with California, if they're saying, hey, we're going to tax the people a bunch of money to, for a new program to solve the homelessness problem. If they don't solve the homelessness problem at all, the taxpayer has no ability to say, well, then we're not going to pay for this anymore. They have to, they go to jail if they don't pay for it. And so what you end up having is that the government relies on you believing that, that the people at the top are motivated by something higher than individual self interest, like some type of benevolent, like, you know, desire for justice and equality, which, like, that's not really how human beings are built. We don't expect that. We would never buy that from anyone in the private sector. And then also they have absolutely no cleansing mechanism. And so the whole thing, it's not that like, oh, there happen to be these areas of waste, fraud and abuse. The whole thing is fraudulent by its very nature. By its whole nature, the whole thing is fraudulent. And so, you know, when people make these pitches like, this was one of Tim Waltz's major pitch during the presidential campaign. In fact, Rob, I think I would say, policy wise, this was his central issue that he ran on here. Let's, let's, let's play that clip. I sent that to you. Rob had a couple good ones that he sent too, in the email, but I sent the one of him in the VP debate. Let's do, let's do that one first. Sorry, go ahead.

B (19:20)

It's so importantly hilarious to point out that part of the Democrats pitched the last time, listen, Donald Trump, he's also a Democratic socialist and he's terrible, okay? But, you know, there is a war of ideas going on. And the Democrats were trying to play the card of, Donald Trump's a big old meanie and we care more about people. And Tim Walls was definitely one of those characters who was playing that card of, no, it's about compassion for other individuals. And it goes, all right, well, how compassionate were you to United States taxpayers that you might have sent as much as a billion dollars to Somalia? Like, where's the compassion there? The point is, you're giving us this fake pitch of that you're the nice guy and that you're gonna provide social services, but you're actually too inept to do so.

A (20:03)

Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right. All right, here, let's. Let's play.

C (20:07)

Passed a paid family and medical leave. You have a child. You and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. What we know is that gets the child off to a better start. The family works better. We stay in their employers. We get more consistency in that. So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented it in Minnesota, and we see growth. That's how you become a, a pro business state. And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them, as far as childcare on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side. You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take either our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of money. And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. We were able to do it in Minnesota. And I'm still telling you this. We were listed as the best state. We're still in crisis on this. A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.

A (21:13)

So obviously this was not just about daycare, but he did get that in there as well. And look, Rob, this is the thing, right? It's easy. It's always easy for the socialist or whatever or the person advocating government intervention to just point themselves as, yeah, I'm giving more, and this will help you, and this will be so wonderful. And then you see it when it actually comes into practice, and it looks a little bit different than the rosy picture that they end up telling you about. Why is that? You know, I mean, look, to me, I guess with all these, these economic questions, and this is. This is partly why I fell down the Mises Rothbard rabbit hole is just that, like, I just love logic. Like, I just love logic and truth. And so, like, you just. When you look at these things, you're like, you could just like, reducto absurdum a lot of them. Like, if this is such a superior model, then why aren't we applying this to everything? Like, the logic of these things is communism. Like, again, if you just. If you can provide better daycare for. For, you know, families by the state doing it. But if the system of tax taxing and spending the money is a better delivery mechanism for a service, then why wouldn't we do this with all services? Why, like he said, this is the most important one. You know, the people who take care of your kids or your parents. The most important thing, like, okay, but like, eating food is really important, too. Why shouldn't the government run all. You know what I mean? Like, why should not even Mom Donnie's plan of having a few city supermarkets? Why shouldn't all the supermarkets just be nationalized, be socialized? Like, so it's like, none of this really makes sense to begin with. And the other thing, this is kind of an aside from the whole topic, but isn't it, like, I don't know, you know, people get mad at me sometimes when I talk about this shit. And I don't mean to be, like, judgmental of other people. I know it's a sensitive subject because, like, people who put their own kids in daycare don't very much. Like when I talk about how daycare is kind of not the best thing, but I just don't think it is. And I don't know why. You know, it's like, like almost in the same sense that, you know, like people, someone like, like you could, you could propose any type of welfare program and make it sound like you're the good guy, you know, like, hey, I'm trying to help this guy who's really not doing very well. But then on some level we also recognize that like it's, it's kind of preferable for people not to be on welfare. Like, able bodied adults shouldn't be relying on other able bodied adults to work and, and support them. If they're able bodied adults, they should be supporting and then like, okay, well what does that do? If you subsidize something, you tend to get more of it. So now you're getting more of a bad thing. And everybody knows this on some level. Like even progressives believe in economics when it's convenient for them. They support subsidizing green energy because you get more green energy if you subsidize something. They support taxing cigarettes because people consume less of it when you tax something. But then if you say, hey, that also those laws of economics are that if you tax something you get less of it, and if you subsidize something, you get more of it. That also applies to employment and unemployment. And if you tax employment and subsidize unemployment, well, what are you going to get? You get less people working and more people not working. Likewise, if you subsidize daycare, you're going to get more people to send their kids to daycare. And why exactly is that good? Like, why exactly do I want government raising our babies? And we're talking about daycare here. We're not talking about five year olds, you're talking about six month olds. Like, why is it that we want that? Why should we root for that? You know, Rob, when I lived in the Upper west side, I remember talking to you about this, but when I lived in the Upper west side, which I lived there when, when I first got married and we had our first child. And, and by the way, I wasn't making like a ton of money back then. I was doing all right, I was doing decent for myself, but I wasn't like making a ton of money. Um, but there were all types of, you know, people in the Upper west side. It's like everyone's kids are raised by nannies and all these Guys got money, you know, And I just, like, I always found that to be very bizarre. Tended to be a very weird thing about our culture. It's very different than almost every culture that's ever existed where families both nuclear and extended would raise the kids. And I don't see why this is like it just in general, I don't see why this is good that we should celebrate that, like, I don't know, your kids are being raised by Somali immigrants at daycare. 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B (27:16)

I've actually been recommending to all my friends with children that they try and find a local Somalian daycare because those have the best government funding. So if you're looking for top resources and what's been backed by the United States of America and endorsed, you got to find the local Somalian community. And that's. That's where your Kids needs are going to be the most well met thanks to government funding.

A (27:40)

Yeah, I mean it's a, it's really. I don't know where the whole thing is just so crazy. Anyway, back to, where else do you.

B (27:46)

Learn how to wield knives and take over villages and pillage other people? You know, if you, if you want to get ready for, for a post inflation world with all these wars popping off, what you need is your kids to be exposed to some Somalian culture.

A (28:00)

Dude, I said someone did they. I can't remember who it was. Sorry for not giving you credit, but someone did the meme where they're like, look at me, look at me, I am your daycare now. That was hilarious. But you know, I'll tell you the numbers with the thing. Like the numbers in terms of how much money this guy is alleging. Like, they're claiming they found over $100 million in fraud. And then the guy who, it was like built around his work, he estimated the number up to somewhere like 8 billion. Now who knows if that's true? This is a pretty goddamn gigantic scheme here. But I will say that I, like, I know, you know, like, I'd have to do more research or like really look at the numbers to be like, is 8 billion plausible? Or whatever. But I do know that, Well, I know that in New York City and this is as a, a few years ago it was over for public schools. The bill was over $20,000 per student per year. So that's, that's how much they were paying for school year. And like, you know, I mean, yeah, maybe there's some expenses for like schooling that you don't have for daycare. But like there's a lot of kind of in the same ballpark, you're taking care of a kid all day and you know, so if you think about the numbers, right, like, so if there's 20, if you're paying 20 grand per student per year, a classroom of 20 kids represents 400 grand of taxpayer money. Right? I do that, right?

C (29:28)

Yeah.

A (29:28)

Okay, sorry, I'm not good at math, but I got that one right. But 400 grand a year, so that's one classroom could represent 400 grand. So like if you went to like a big high school, the, the numbers that you could come up with of like, well, I don't know, how many, how many classrooms would you have in a big high school? Like 30 or 40 may, like, I don't know. But I'm just saying, like you could see where you could get to numbers in the multi Millions fairly quickly. So it's only, you know, so, so like I. Again, just throwing that out there for some kind of like point of reference. But yeah, while they, while they sit here. Like you said, Rob, which I think was one of the best points made so far. As you say, they act like they have all this compassion, but how about compassion for the taxpayer? Like, does that never come into the equation? You know, like it's not, it's almost like this is why I love these guys always like to talk about, like even when, you know, Elizabeth Warren talks about tax policy or something, or Bernie Sanders talks about tax policy, what do they always say, Rob? They always say every time the billionaires. Right, it's always. Or the billionaires pay their fair share or something about a wealth tax or something about that. But like they never seem to justify the actual existing income tax, which I don't know if you've noticed, Rob, doesn't just apply to billionaires. You know, like every, every goddamn trucker and plumber and waitress and secretary in this fucking country is paying a substantial amount of tax. You know, like they're. Okay, maybe not every single one, but like the overwhelming majority of them are not only like paying income taxes on every check, every paycheck that they get, but like it's a life changing amount of money if they were allowed to keep that, you know what I mean? And it's just like the idea of like extorting, you know, like at the threat of violence because that's why people pay their taxes. We could run this experiment and say it's not a law anymore and see how many people still send in their taxes. But like at the threat of we will throw you to jail, you force workingclass people who have, are already struggling because you've destroyed the money. So now you force workingclass people to give up huge portions of their income and then you take that money and just give it away, you know, to, to scam artists who are pretending to start a daycare. This doesn't seem all that compassionate, Rob. It sounds a lot more compassionate than it looks when it's in practice, doesn't it?

B (32:00)

Well, you know, it's going to make for a fine talking point at the next election cycle when these guys are out there pitching their social services and you're like, all right, well how do you actually plan on executing that? Because the last time a billion dollars went to Somalia.

A (32:14)

Yeah, here.

B (32:15)

And then you also have the compassion that brought all these people to the regions that they could just seize American wealth through fraud and Grift.

A (32:23)

Well, yeah, that's right. Well, that's another point. You know, we should get into that. But here, you know what? Let's, let's first, Rob, you sent in the second email that Rob sent Natalie. He sent two clips of Walt praising the child care reforms. Let's play those because they were good.

B (32:40)

And then there's timestamps there because they were. There were news pieces about these. And I guess what's funny is I would have loved to seen the production team when Walls was putting this together, when, I mean, just talk about how blatant the fraud is. At some point someone had to be like, oh, we can't go to that daycare facility. There's no playground there. You understand? At some point in time, someone needed to figure out how to put together these puff pieces. And so they had to actually find him a school where the money had gone to and there were actual kids there.

A (33:11)

Yeah, it's unbelievable. I mean, look, if. What if what's being alleged in this expose is true? It is such an outrage if nobody goes to jail over this. But you know what else is new there, Rob?

C (33:23)

Together as part of the. The state's economic and our basic social.

B (33:28)

Well being, St. David's received 270,000 to equip classrooms in central Minnesota. The executive director at the center says.

A (33:36)

This meets an urgent need. This deed grant is critical in creating 126 new child care slots. Slated to open next spring, the grants.

B (33:47)

Are expected to create more than 2/3.

A (33:49)

Thousand spots for child care across the state. Well, yeah, wonderful, wonderful job there, Tim Waltz.

B (34:00)

And you've got one more of him talking about this new expanded policy and because even pre Covid, there isn't enough resources in childcare. And that's why he's running with the new program to make sure that more cash is available. That's the next clip.

A (34:18)

Is proposing another infusion of cash. $56.6 million spread out among thousands of providers. Family providers could get up to 1200 per month. Centers up to 8500 per month.

C (34:31)

The child care situation was at a crisis point before COVID in Minnesota and across the country. But what these grants are meant to do is to offset the added cost of the protections in these child care centers.

A (34:42)

The proposal still needs legislative approval. For Julie, it's a relief. She.

B (34:47)

But there you go. This was, this was his initiative. He's out there telling you everybody, hey, we need more money for child care. And he just created an opportunity for fraud because he's actually not good at governing. And so it seems like they didn't do the basic. To make sure that money wasn't just being wasted on fraud and abuse.

A (35:05)

Yeah. And, you know, it's something that's. One of the things that's so infuriating about all of this is, is that, and you know, I know I've talked about this before on the show, but it really is like the great, the great fraud of like feminism and monetary policy and like how they're, they're intersected, to borrow a leftist word. But so as most people I think know. Right, but the, the overwhelming numbers of women entering the workforce really happened in the 1970s. And that doesn't, you know, that might feel like a very long time ago to young people, but it's not that long ago. This is like 10 years before I was born. Okay, don't make any old jokes. Maybe it is a long time ago, but. But before that, you know, use. You be kind of hard pressed to find this being like a political discussion about like, oh, we have a real issue with child care, like, who's going to take care of the children? Because like, mothers took care of the children. That was kind of the way it had worked and had worked that way for like, I think, think about 500,000 years. But so like that's, you know, and then all the way for all of time before that too. But I don't think you're looking at modern human beings really, or what science would call humans, but anyway. But so if you think about it, right, like in the 50s and in the 60s, there's like every, almost every family was like my family was, or my grandfather worked in a factory and his wife didn't work. That was just the expectation that if the man had a job, he could afford to own a house, send a couple kids to college, have a couple cars, play poker with his buddies on Saturday, live a reasonable life. His wife could go shopping sometimes. And they weren't wealthy or anything like that, but they were just where everyone was, working class people. Then in the 70s, you had this huge move of women entering the workforce. But Also in the 70s is when we go off the gold standard and just start printing money like crazy. Okay, if you want to be technical, we started printing money like crazy before, and that's why we went off the gold standard, because our bluff got called. But then when we're off it, we really start printing money. And like you might ask yourself, well, wait a minute, if all the mo. If the dad was working and the mom didn't work and Then the mom went to work. Didn't they have like twice as much money or shouldn't? Like maybe the wife would only have to work part time and the dad could go down to working part time. Right? Like, why is it that this guy, that one full time job got replaced by two full time jobs? And the answer is because they destroyed the currency and things became more and more expensive and you needed that. And now fast forward to today. Many people, like many young couples, even forget the ones who have kids yet, right? But just young couples couldn't even fathom the idea of only one of them working. It's like, if only one of us was working, how the hell would we afford any type of life? Like we're struggling with both of us working to afford a decent place to live. And so the, the inflation mixed with other, you know, burdens of the government like taxation and regulation ends up making people much poorer. And then the government comes around, then these politicians come around and go, oh, here's the solution for it, Some social welfare program. Here's the solution. We'll pick up the cost of your, your child care. And then what does that turn into? Oh, you'll pick up the cost of your child care and give it to a whole bunch of fraudsters. It's just infuriating when you watch the whole thing play out. Okay, a couple more interesting notes about this and this. I'm not, you know, make, make what you will of this, but did you see any of the stuff about. Look, I'm not, I'm not alleging anything, any crazy conspiracy here, but the one, the woman who was like against this shit ended up murdered.

B (39:04)

What you mean the one who was protesting the ICE thing?

A (39:08)

No, no, no, no. The woman who was like in the. Here, hold on, I'll pull up the.

B (39:13)

Woman who's in the video yelling, ICE is here. ICE is here.

A (39:16)

No, no, no, no, no. Okay, there's, there's a legislator. Okay, so the. Hold on one second. Let me see this. Hold on, I have it up here.

B (39:28)

Because that was a wild, a wildly hilarious liberal moment.

A (39:32)

No, no, that's, this is a separate thing. Ok? But there was one Democrat that voted to end health care for illegals in, in, in Minnesota and evidently was also very against this whole scheme, who wound up murdered by this guy Vance Bolter, who happened to be an appointee of Tim Waltz in some capacity. Now make of this what you will. I, I haven't done enough research on this to have one, an opinion one way or the other, but there is a lot being made of this. And you never know, you never know how, how deep these, these scandals run and what these government thugs are willing to do to people over it. But that's one. That area of, like, you'd want it to be investigated. Another thing about this that I did, I must say, because this is a, you know, I think it's, it's. I don't know, this is obviously relevant to the story, but Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, put out a long tweet in response to this. The same thing, by the way. Still not enough to make it a top story at NBC News or CNN or Reuters or the Associated Press. But he said the FBI is aware of recent social media reports in Minnesota. However, even before the public conversation escalated online, the FBI had surged personnel and investigative resources to Minnesota to dismantle large scale fraud schemes, expose exploiting federal programs. So now, just saying, the FBI is saying, oh, yeah, we're aware of this and we're on it and we're investigating it is an interesting response from the FBI. That being said, I don't know, Rob, I just, I guess this is just my default position at this point is like, okay, and what's the action that we're taking here, Cash? Because, like, so far, don't get me wrong, I'm really, really impressed that the vice president and the FBI director tweeted about this. That's nice. That is nice. A tweet helps. It helps a lot. The thing is that every now and then, some of us plebs remember that you guys are in control of the fucking federal government. And we wouldn't mind if you actually did something about this, like, what's going on, man? And, you know, I guess the other angle here, Rob, which we haven't really touched on yet, but obviously there's something about this that's also related to the much bigger question of immigration. And like, the idea that the Democrats really positioned themselves as the humanitarians for allowing this soft immigration policy where the country would totally just be racially and culturally and ethnically remade. And like, when you see stuff like this, you know, it just makes you understand why people are skeptical of that or more than skeptical of that, just blatantly opposed to it. You know, the idea that it's, it's an outrage for anybody to, you know, Rob. Defraud the taxpayer. But it sure does seem. Rob, am I crazy to say this? It sure does seem like more of an outrage for someone who just got here from Somalia to do that.

B (42:58)

It's not just, it's not just more of an outrage. I think it speaks to the risk factor of non Americans that don't have the same allegiances or loyalties. And so they're values. Yeah. And so, like, they're a little bit more ripe to pull a scam because they're just like, yeah, these people, they're not me. I'm not them. These aren't my taxes. And so, you know, it's a risk factor of people coming in who just want to, you know, take resources and send them somewhere else.

A (43:26)

Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right. And like, it does seem that there's no, like, you know, look, it seems to me what's going on here is that. Let me try to say this the right way. I'll say that the kind of, not just wokeism, like, wokeism, like liberalism, political correctness and the, the dynamic of kind of the, the. The left wing protest culture, which has been a very real thing for, for many years. It does seem to have, like, the dam seems to have broken a little bit on it. But this actor for many years was that, you know, people were just like, people felt really handcuffed to call this stuff out. And in fact, I don't know if it was Tim Walt, but it was some official. In Minnesota because they had the kid who broke this story or who did the expose on. On a Fox News show the other day, and the first thing they're saying is, oh, this is racist. This is racist. Because you're making it look like, you know, Somalis are ripping people off or something like that. And you're like, wait, so now that's the game. The game is that we got to. We got to bring in people from a third world country, a country, by the way, that most Americans don't know, we've been bombing the shit out of for 20 years for. For absolutely no legitimate reason. Donald Trump has broken the record. Honestly, this year he broke the record for the most strikes in Somalia. Honestly, we are one of the very, very few shows that has even talked about this issue. This is, I mean, like, I'm not exaggerating. I think Dave decamp is the only one doing real journalism on this. And our show is one of a handful where like the Scott Horton show and Dave decamp Show. Kyle, Kyle Enzelove talks about it on his show. I bet that. I bet Breaking Points has done something on it once or twice. Like Ryan Grimm, I'm sure has covered it, but, like, there's not much more than that. So, so we're bombing the crowd. We're we're very much exacerbating the refugee problem to begin with. Has been going on for 20 years there. And then there was, and then, so you got the government, our government. Again, not even just against the will of the American people. Like, they don't even have knowledge of this for the most part. They don't even ever give a press conference about it. Or if they do, very rarely. So they create this refugee crisis, then they decide against the will of the American people to have this open border policy. You ship in millions of people from this third world country, then they get fucking Tim Waltz has a policy where they get government ID and they can sign up and they can start defrauding the government. And then if one of the Americans happens to mention that they have a problem with this, like go, hey, this is crazy. These guys are, they get called a racist for saying something about it. I just, I mean like, again, this, this is what drives people to take up radical political positions. And not like radical in the good way like we do, where we're like for radical decentralization or radical liberty or something like that. But this is, this is what leads to a really ugly reaction on the right wing because this is just too intolerable. Like, you can't do that. I mean, look, Minnesota, Minneapolis. I'm like, I don't know, I'm 42 years old when I hear the word Minnesota in my mind. I still think of like the whitest place on earth. Like, I don't know, like, just like. Right. Like, isn't that what it's supposed to be? Now it's a, a playing ground for like Somali fraudsters. Why do we, why would we possibly support that? Who would support that? Why is that better? Someone explain it to me and speak slowly so it makes sense. Why is that better? Why am I, why is it the anti racist position to say that's better? You know, and, and it does, it shows, it really reveals something about, well, about this immigration policy itself. It shows something about like the nature of, of, of immigration, at least in this, in this manner that we've had it. And it does show you like, look, it's. I, I've been saying this for a long time now, man, and I've argued with a bunch of other libertarians about this and that. It's like, look, dude, this, this, this immigration is a government program. Like Joe Biden's. Open borders are a government program. It is. Government is controlling the actual border itself and they are opening it. The, the areas, at least in Texas. I Know where there's some privately owned land that's right on the border. Government was actively preventing people from protecting their own private property, even threatening the local governments when they tried to stick up for those people. There is all types of UN money and NGO money that was given to those migrants who were coming up during the Biden years. And it's been alleged by, by Steve Miller that Biden was actually paying the migrants themselves from the Biden administration. I'm not exactly sure whether he's right on that or not. Wouldn't surprise me. And then there's all these types of, all types of government, assistant government assistance, government programs when they get here, and I guess in this case, government programs that can be abused. That's not the free movement of people. That's a government program to relocate people from other parts of the world here against the wills of the domestic population. Who. That's not something a libertarian should defend. That's something a libertarian should be passionately opposed to. And just anyone, any normal person should be opposed to that. But then also, I think there's something to the fact that, like, look, Rob, if we are, if we are so crippled as a society, if we're so crippled by the fear of being perceived as bigoted, that like, like, it's almost like down to a cartoonish level, like if a black man, let's say a black man came over to like a little white mother and stole her baby out of her carriage and ran off and you were like, stop that man. And someone went, you don't want to seem like a bigot. You know what I mean? Like, if you were, if you're that paralyzed by this, this notion of anti racism that you can't even like, call out this, this direct thing right in front of you that's so obviously criminal and, and, and immoral, then like, then, then you just can't have immigration from that part of the world, man. You can't have both because then you, you can't even, like, you can't even set up the most, the most basic, like, cultural demands, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you could come here, but you got to not hate America. You got to learn English, you know, you can't, I don't know, you can't deface public property or something like that. Like, if you can't even say that, then, then we can't have the immigrants at all from that part of the world because it doesn't work unless you could have some reasonable expectations. And like, I think it really does Say something. I remember I mentioned this on the show, Rob, but do you remember? There was this. Oh, my God, it's just made my blood boil. Even though I recognize they're probably being coached in some way. But there was this big thing a couple years ago in New York City when they were really suffering through the migrant crisis and the mayor, Eric Adams, flipped on the issue and was like, this is destroying our city. But so there was this. I forget. I think it was a hotel in Manhattan. Might have been like a rec center or something like that. I forget. But there was some building that the government had essentially paid the owners of the building a bunch of money to let them allow them to house these migrants there because they didn't know what to do with them. And they gave them like, you know, they gave them like a government issued stipend, you know, so they could get like some food. They gave them government issued Metro cards so they could ride the subway. And so, you know, they're, they're getting housing and food and transportation covered by the taxpayer. And then there were just too many of them there. And so they were like, we got to move them out to this facility in Queensland. They were in a facility in Manhattan, but they had to move out to a facility in Queens. And they protested. The migrants protested that it would be too inconvenient for them to have to move out to Queens. Now they get their, their Metro card paid for, but you know, it's like a 40 minute ride on the subway. And now what ultimately calmed me down is that as they were protesting, I was like, you can clearly see that this is not, this is not Mexican men. There's a white woman behind this. Obviously this is. Only a white woman would think to protest about this. But regardless, as these migrants are out there protesting and you just think to yourself and you're like, listen, I grew up in New York City. I grew up in Brooklyn. I lived in Manhattan for many years. No one I know can afford the neighborhood I grew up in. Maybe one of them. I genuinely think I might be the only person from my friend group who could afford to live where we grew up, which by the way, was a working class neighborhood when I lived there. Like, like, I mean, it was a working class, working class to middle class to professional class. But like a firefighter owned a house next door to me. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, there, there, now you got to be a millionaire to, to live in Park Slope, Brooklyn, or Fort. What's it called? I'm blanking on the names of the neighborhood, Fort Green or Prospect Heights or any of those neighborhoods. You got to be a millionaire to live there now. Like, it's crazy. And so anyway, so in that context, to see these migrants living off the taxpayer, protesting that they have to move out to Queens, like, dude, everyone I know, I had to move out to Queens. It's just, it's, it's, it's maddening. And there's, there's got to be. You know, like, I think there is something almost like Freudian about this where, like, if you're not, like, if you, if you repress that, it's going to reemerge in a much uglier form. Like, if you're not at least allowing people to say, like if you call someone a bigot for saying what I just said or pointing at the fraud in Minnesota or something like that, if you think that that doesn't make it go away, that drives it underground, and then it reemerges in a much, much uglier fashion. 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B (55:41)

And then speaking about just this warped liberal view. It was one of the moments I just started laughing out loud while I was watching it. But, and it was what I was referencing before, but when this guy's going around to the businesses, outside of one of the businesses is just this middle aged white lady who starts yelling ice, close the doors. ICE is here, don't let them in. And just think about how warped this lady's perspective is that she just decided that these people were wrong and she's not willing to hear them out. And she's just, I think she even yelled shame at them, but she's just hoping to shame them away by yelling. Doesn't want to listen, doesn't want to hear anything, just has decided these people are wrong. And by the way, maybe that area actually needs a little bit of ICE presence. Why are you just sitting there defending some foreign population that is there and some of that foreign population is engaged in fraud and some of it seems to be that they're a big enough voting bloc. I don't understand how that happens, but there's enough of a Somalian presence in Minnesota that apparently government officials don't really want to maneuver them that much and anger their base. All of that should be a problem for your average American. And now you actually got these people are doing good work and exposing fraud and criminal elements that happen to exist in this group. There's no broader strokes. There's not discussing the immigration, they're literally just discussing fraud from these individuals. And why is it so blatant and obviously at fake business fronts and that no cop and no government official and no one's checking on this. That's it. There's no element of racial anything in there other than why is there this amount of fraud? But some lady's just gonna yell at them because you know, she's just so bought into liberal worldview of if you're a white guy with the telephone in these areas, you must be here to displace this community which is important to you. Why? Why is it so important that these people are able to be here?

A (57:37)

Well, it's like in, in a way it's a very similar through line to a lot of what we're saying when we criticize these members of the Israel Lobby like Barry Weiss and Ben Shapiro and them. It's like, look like, don't you have some base just on the most basic level, like if you're going to be a part of something then you gotta you have to be loyal to that thing. If it's like an important. Like. Like if you're gonna be in a relationship, if you're gonna have a boyfriend or a girlfriend, then, like, the most basic expectation is that they're, like, they're. They're loyal to you. That they're, you know, they don't care about someone else's girlfriend more than they care about you because you're their girlfriend. And that's the foundation of a marriage. Right. And a family. Like, I can't. It's not that I can't care about other families or other people, but I gotta care about mine more. I gotta be more loyal to them. Like, if we, like, maybe I could, you know, donate some money to charity to, like, help feed needy kids, because we care about other people's kids, too, but not if my kids are hungry. If my kids are hungry, I gotta feed them first. And it's like the same thing, like, where you go, like, wait, but why is your liberal white lady. Why is your first obligation to a group of foreigners ripping off the taxpayers and not to your fellow citizens who are being ripped off? The other moment in there that I thought was hilarious and infuriating was, did you see the one where the Somali woman starts screaming at him that she's scared of him because he's white?

B (59:06)

Yeah, he called her out on that instantly.

A (59:09)

I mean, that is. That was like one of the mic drop moments of the whole thing where it's like, again, like, I use these examples. Like, it's like, but, yo, you're. You're from Somalia, and your first go to. Is that you make me uncomfortable because you're white, motherfucker. You moved to Minnesota. Minnesota. Are people not familiar with what Minnesota is? The cold place where all the white people live? Like, I'm sorry, it's like me going fleeing to Japan and then going back off. Japanese people make me uncomfortable. Well, like, how can we not just have the minimum expectation that you can't be like that? And the problem is that if you are like that, if you allow that, right, Then why wouldn't these people try to rip off the taxpayer any chance they get? Like, I'm not asking for that much. I don't think it's that unreasonable to say that. Like, because I'm not, you know, look, the issue with immigration, I'm not like, an absolutist immigration restrictionist. Like, I'm not saying the number should be zero forever. I do tend to. I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea that the number should be damn near close to zero for a while because we've just taken in such huge numbers that it's kind of like, hey, until we can sort this out, we can't have people flooding in. There might be exceptions to that, but I'm not even against, you know, I, I grew up in a country where, you know, the numbers weren't. There were a lot of immigration, but like, we had very small, we had a very small, you know, like, percentage of different, you know, groups of people. And it kind of worked. It worked relatively well. I had Pakistan, Pakistani immigrants who, who ran bodegas in my neighborhood and stuff. They were good people, they were hard working people. They came over and became American. Like, it was like, I'm not a guy. But I just think it's a totally reasonable ask to go, yo, you can't come over here with this attitude that you're racist against the majority of the country that just welcomed you in from a third world nightmare country. Granted, it's a nightmare, partially in large part, not only, but in large part because of George W. Bush and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Okay, fair enough. But still, I don't know if you know me, I don't like those guys very much. So, you know, that sucks and that's not your fault. But at the same time, the country is the people of the country, not just our corrupt leaders. And you're not saying you hate our corrupt leaders. You're saying you hate this regular guy. And the guy is, look, I mean, whatever the, you know, whatever the response to this video, this expose is, and maybe people will debunk some of the stuff he showed. I be quite interested to see that. But he certainly wasn't approaching her in an intimidating manner at all. The guy couldn't have been more harmless. He's asking questions about how many kids you got inside. That's not aggressive, that's just trying to see like, are you actually a daycare year?

B (62:08)

Great, great troll by both of them of him being like, I want to put my child here. That, that's great, you know, because if you're running a business, why wouldn't you have a form? And then good work by that other guy coming in. Like, wait, you're telling me that there's 90 missing kids? There's supposed to be 90 kids here.

A (62:25)

Yeah, yeah, that is, that really is something. Anyway, it's the, I guess maybe the, the thing about this story that's so interesting to me is that it's, there's like, there's so many different layers to it. Like, there's just the. The. How. How incompetent the media is, how incompetent the Justice Department is, how incompetent our whole political class is. The whole. It kind of demonstrates something about the whole immigration topic. And then also, of course, it's just this great example of, like, the new media and the legacy media being unable to adapt to it. I mean, even. Just think about the fact that this guy. I. You know, I had never heard of this guy before today. I think that's the case for most people who are watching this. I think he got, like, hundreds of thousands of followers in the last 24 hours or something. And like I said, the video is like over 100 million views on Twitter alone. I don't. I'm not even counting the YouTube numbers because I haven't seen that. But, you know, this guy is getting the vice presidential candidate and the FBI director, and all these guys have to comment on a story that some guy on the Internet just made. It's just like that. That is so goddamn different than any media landscape environment I've ever seen before. And I gotta say, on net, I think it's a really good thing. I just think, because, look, none of these other guys were doing the job, so now at least we got, like, a fighting shot. Final word to you, Rob. You can use it to plug something I will. Or do Instagram someone.

B (64:04)

That's exactly what I'm gonna do. I'll do both those at the same time if I can. I can't think of an insult right now. Yeah, support citizen activism, which is why you should go check out Porching. Episode two will be out this evening. And, you know, support the independent work.

A (64:19)

Very good. Very good. All right, guys, thank you for listening. Catch you tomorrow for our big New Year's episode, 2025, a year in Review. We'll be doing that tomorrow. Catch you guys then, PE.