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In this episode of No More Waffle, Ben Madden sits down with Rowan Waller, also known as The Property Pen, a former estate agent turned property copywriter with 20 years’ experience in the industry.

Rowan brings a completely fresh perspective to one of the property world’s biggest identity crises: what exactly is anestate agent?

Are they marketers, salespeople, or project managers helpingpeople move from A to B?

Together, Ben and Rowan challenge the industry’s obsession with marketing, portals, and pricing, and reveal why so many agents and consumers misunderstand what great agency really looks like.

From the myth that Rightmove “sells houses” to the growing trend of agents becoming content creators, this episode explores the blurred lines between advertising, service, and sales in modern estate agency.

Rowan explains why the true value of a good agent isn’t in glossy photos or fancy videos, it’s in managing the process, the people, and the pressure points that come with moving home.

A sharp, honest conversation for anyone in property who’s ever asked: what’s our job really about?