Dr. Josh Axe (4:57)

After investing billions to light up our network, T Mobile is America's largest 5G network. Plus right now you can switch keep.

John R. Miles (5:05)

Your phone and will pay it off up to $800.

Dr. Josh Axe (5:08)

See how you can save on every plan vs Verizon and at&t@t mobile.com Keep.

John R. Miles (5:13)

And switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card.

Dr. Josh Axe (5:18)

Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit.

John R. Miles (5:20)

Service ported 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption. Required card has no cash access and expires in six months. Guys, the only thing worse than losing your hair is waiting forever for it to grow back. That's why you need HIMSs, where you can start seeing results in just three to six months. HIMS offers Doctor Trusted clinically proven hair loss treatments with ingredients like minoxidil and finasteride that actually work. The best part? The whole process is done from the comfort of your couch. You can choose chewable oral spray or serum options to fit your routine. It's 100% online. Just answer a few questions and a medical provider will determine if treatment is right for you. If prescribed, your treatment is discreetly delivered right to your door. Start your free online Visit today@hisss.com Passionstruck that's hims.com Passionstruck for your personalized hair loss treatment options. Results vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride prescription products require an online consultation with a healthcare provider who will determine if a prescription is appropriate. Restrictions apply. See website for full details and important safety information. Hey, Passion Struck listeners. I am absolutely thrilled and honored today to have my friend Dr. Josh Axe on Passion Struck. Welcome, Josh.

Dr. Josh Axe (6:54)

Hey John, thanks for having me.

John R. Miles (6:56)

Well, we've been talking about doing this ever since I was on your show, and I think that episode came out in mid September. So I think what we discovered in that conversation is that we have actually studied a lot of the same topics. So I'm really eager to get your perspectives on the show. Thanks for coming.

Dr. Josh Axe (7:14)

Well, thanks for having me on. And when you were on my show, it was incredibly popular episode. So thanks again for coming on. I love talking. You talked obviously a lot about mindset on there, which was such a powerful conversation.

John R. Miles (7:25)

I'm going to open our discussion about your brand new book, Think this, Not that, which is a New York Times bestseller. Congratulations on that.

Dr. Josh Axe (7:34)

Thank you.

John R. Miles (7:35)

And in the opening of the book, you describe a story with your grandfather Howard, who teaches you this lesson of think this, not that. And I think it's interesting because I've seen in my own life, especially from my grandfather, who was a huge inspiration in my life, that it's our early mentors who shape a lot of our mindset. How did those early teachings from your grandfather influence the way you approach mindset.

Dr. Josh Axe (8:02)

And change Today, well, it had a profound impact. They say you become like the people you surround yourself with the most. And of course, our parents, our grandparents, our pastors, teachers, teachers, coaches. I mean, these people in the early stages of our life have a massive impact. In fact, working as a functional medicine practitioner and somebody also that focuses a lot on spiritual health and wellness. One of the things that I've discovered is that it's even my patients that dealt with medical health issues. A lot of those issues actually affect their health later on in life. It could be their mental health, it could be their physical health due to worry, anxiety, fear. But a lot of that happens early on in life. And I can remember my grandfather told me very early on that life is about this, right? So if I don't know for a lot of people that somebody tells them this is what life is about. So my grandfather told me very early on, listen, life is about becoming a certain type of person. Life is about adding value to others. Life is not just about plays that I want you to play, you want to have fun. But life is about relationship. Life is about advancing the kingdom of God, building a relationship with God and serving other people, making their lives better. And so having him instill that in me, that message early on was so powerful and transformative. And even though I don't know that I fully understood at the time, as he continued to repeat it over time, it became part of who I was. And so, yeah, and I was really blessed to have both parents and including my dad and my grandfather. That really sowed into me. And one of the things that I found for a lot of people is they haven't had those people. Somebody might have grown up without a dad, or they had a dad that wasn't a virtuous, disciplined person that was sowing into them. Or maybe they never had a grandfather who is that sort of person in their life. And so it's really important that people go out and find those mentors then that play that grandfather and that father like role that can help them develop and grow. Because the way that we most grow in our lives is through modeling. It's discipleship, it's mentorship. And I hear from people all the time when I'm teaching lectures and workshops. People come up to me and say, Dr. Axe, I want to find a mentor. I don't have one because it's something I recommend often. Because I'll tell people that one of the greatest things that have transformed my life and helped me personally grow is having mentors and people that sewed into me. And I'm always looking to do that to others. And of course, we can do it at a distance. By John Listening to your podcast and my podcast, or reading John Maxwell or other spiritual or leadership and personal growth leaders. But it's also really powerful to have those people in our lives in person.

John R. Miles (10:41)

Oh, I completely agree with you. And I've been a lifelong Catholic, and when I was getting my confirmation, I actually used my grandfather and his name Donald as my confirmed name. I didn't. Unfortunately, I was never able to meet my parental grandfather. And so grandfather Donald had a huge impact on my life because he really embodied to me a lot of the things I thought a man should be. Not that my father didn't, he did as well, but it. There was just something about the way that he talked to me and taught me things and took me aside and was patient and comforting and inspiring that has influenced who I am today. So I very much appreciate that. And I want to mention this real.

Dr. Josh Axe (11:29)

Quick because I think it's so interesting. So, because I had my dad, who was an old military guy, and he taught me a lot of discipline. Lifting weights constantly challenged me. And it was more of that sort of masculine, like, growth. And then my grandfather did it in such a, as you mentioned, it was like a softer, more gentle, patient way with a certain level of wisdom. And I think it was just part of it was maturity. Some of it was personality. But it was beneficial, getting sort of those virtues, different virtues from different people, basically, same story.

John R. Miles (12:01)

Josh, my dad is a Force Recon Marine and probably one of the strongest people I've ever met. I remember as a kid, he was trying to do some repair in my bedroom, and he drives a drill bit right through the middle of his hand. Didn't even flinch. Anything else? Basically takes his T shirt off, wraps it around his hand, walks by me and says, hey, tell your mom I went to the hospital and walks out, goes to the hospital. Whereas my grandfather was. Was also an army veteran, but was just much more vulnerable and just a different complete Persona of a human being. So I. I can relate with you completely.

Dr. Josh Axe (12:47)

Yeah.

John R. Miles (12:48)

And ironically, I have another story where I can completely relate to you. So in the first chapter of your book, you talk about limiting beliefs. And when I was in high school, you're not going to believe this story. I'm in the beginning of my senior year, and I had always dreamt of going to the University of Michigan. It's where my parents went, my grandparents went. It's the only thing I ever really thought about But I was getting highly recruited by the Naval Academy. And at this time, I had this English teacher who the student body loved. I mean, everyone went to her for advice. And one day she calls me into her office and she basically took the complete error out of my balloon. She told me that I would never amount to anything great, that she thought I was a lot of hype and there wasn't much behind it. And it actually changed my whole life because of this interaction. I think it was one of the driving reasons I ended up going to the Naval Academy because I felt I needed to prove more to myself and to take a harder path. And when I was reading your book, you had a similar experience with an English teacher in high school. And I was hoping you could share that story and how it impacted you.

Dr. Josh Axe (14:14)

I mean, this was a like it was for you. I know it was a life altering moment. And everybody has had this moment. I want you to think about what was your moment where you've had something like this happen and have you ever recovered from it? So I was in freshman English, gosh, freshman high school. And a teacher asked me to stay after. Her name was miss Noble. I stayed after class. She says, josh, what do you want to do after high school? And I said, I want to be a doctor. And the reason I said that, John, was the year before my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. She went through chemotherapy. She lost all of her hair. She almost died. And so seeing my mom suffer like that, it just really pierced my heart. And I said to myself, I want to help people like my mom, and I want to find a better way to help people heal. And so I decided, I want to be a doctor. At that moment. Well, the English teacher, I said, I want to be a doctor. And she literally laughed out loud. And she said, josh, listen, with your gpa, you'll never get into med school. She says, my own daughter has a three point gpa. She barely got into med school. And she said, you just failed this paper. That's why I wanted you to stay after. And you're getting a D minus in this class. You'll be lucky to pass. She said, you need to try harder. And I walked out of there, John, feeling like, okay, well, maybe I can't be a doctor. Well, then my mom brought me to see a medical doctor two weeks later who diagnosed me with ADHD and talked about me like I wasn't in the room. I still remember his words today where he said, your son, son has a learning disability. And I thought, well, gosh, not only Am I not smart? I'm like, medically not smart. There's something wrong with me. So then I just stopped trying. In high school, I barely graduated high school. I had, like, just above a 2.0 GPA. Applied to colleges, got denied by almost all of them. And then I applied to one, and they said, we've got a new program where if you come and take summer school and you average above a 3.0, we'll let you in. It was the University of Kentucky. I grew up in Ohio. And I said, okay, well, I don't want to be the kid that just stays back. I want to go and try. So I went. And the first class I had to take was English 101 in freshman year, college. So I went, I took the class. First big assignment was a paper, turned it in, felt pretty good. But then three days later, the teacher name was Ms. Williams. She says, josh, can you stay after class? My heart sunk because it felt like deja vu. I thought, oh, no. She said, josh, what's your major? And I said, well, Ms. Williams, I haven't chosen a major yet. And she said, well, I really think you should consider. Consider being a English or journalism major. Because she said, I think you're a really great writer. Of the 40 some kids in this class, you got the highest grade, great job. And for me, John, I'll call it like a memory or a mindset transplant. I went from feeling like I was dumb, I could bear, I wasn't good at school, these narratives running through my head. And finally I had one person tell me that I was smart or that I could do this, or I was good at something, and I completely embraced it and had a transplant there. And I said, you know what? I can do this. Later on, I switched to pre med, and then I went on to get my doctorate. I then went on later to John Hopkins University, graduated from John Hopkins with nearly a 4.0 GPA. And I share none of that to boast, but just to say this, I went from being the kid in high school that barely graduated to eventually graduating John Hopkins and getting later on, earlier on a doctorate. And there's a lot of people out there today, John, that they had someone say something to them. A parent, a teacher, a coach. And they're still living with that today. They haven't had that belief transplant that's allowed them to thrive and experience the breakthrough in the relationship, in their career, in their spiritual life. And so for me, one of the things I've really committed to doing myself and helping others do is making sure that I don't have any limiting beliefs that are holding me back and then going and replacing those limiting beliefs with empowering beliefs. And I found for so many people doing that singular exercise of writing down what their limiting beliefs are when they started, there's actually a method, it's called the ABCDE method. It goes like this. One, activate the memory of when this belief started. Number two is B, which is what's the exact belief. C is what are the consequences if you continue to believe the lie. D is dispute it why it's not true. And E, exchange it for the thing you need to believe in order to experience the greatest outcome in your life. And if people can do that and start to write down the limiting beliefs about themselves, about God, about the world, about others, that's where most people start to experience, I think, some of their biggest breakthroughs in life.

John R. Miles (18:49)

I think that's an extremely good point. And I also wanted the listeners to understand that the degree that you got from Johns Hopkins, if I'm correct, was in organizational leadership. I was just going to say, I think it complements the work that you've done in your medical profession and expands so much of the discipleship that you've created on your podcast and in your brand. So with that as a backdrop and these limiting beliefs, I thought it was really interesting, Josh, that in both our books, we use an analogy of a stool and the support structures under it to go into this belief system that people have. Can you walk through that analogy? Because it's a little bit different than the way I describe it, but I think it's important for listeners.

Dr. Josh Axe (19:40)

Yeah. The way that I think about it is when I use the term mindset, I think our mindset, our way of thinking about things, tend to be held up by multiple beliefs that we have about something. So, for instance, there's a friend of mine who is a fairly successful entrepreneur, but he could be so much more successful if he overcame this mindset that was a scarcity mindset. And so. And I've asked him questions about this, and again, he's a really close friend of mine, but he's told me things in life like, well, my dad used to tell me that money doesn't grow on trees and you gotta fight for every last thing you get. And he was one of 10 kids. And so he's developed this mindset over time to where he hoards money and he doesn't want to invest, he's not generous because of it, or he doesn't take risks. And so his Mindset, this scarcity mindset is made up of multiple beliefs. There's only so much money. You've got to fight people for money you want to save rather than invest. And these multiple issues and you think about it as a table. And if you're, if you have weak legs of this table, everything collapses. And so it's really important for people that you go. And this is another discussion, John, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. One of the things that's so important for people to do, when you look at the most important mindset people have, one of the things that one of the most important mindsets is what is success? What does it mean to truly be successful? Because the world today tells us it's fame, it's fortune, right? So it's a big social media following or it's a certain size house or driving a Lamborghini or so much money. That's what the world says, successes. But if you look at the Bible or you look at the people that you and I, John, are probably like, we want to be like these people, right? Probably like their Mother Teresa's, the John Maxwell's, the people that are, have done so much good in their life. Martin Luther King Jr. Is, it's like, well, what was their. They had a big impact for good. And so my definition of success, which is one of the most important mindsets, needs to be made up of these beliefs. So if my beliefs are, well, success is okay, I have a big house and I've got a million dollars in the bank and I've got a million followers on Instagram or whatever it is that's going to cause me to have live a certain type of life versus if my definition of success is loving God, loving people, making Earth a heavenly place, adding value to others is my entire goal of blessing other people's lives. Well, that's going to be a very like, my wins become very different. And so people really need to pick through their life and look at their mindset about a certain thing and then what do I believe specifically? And what beliefs do I need to start to exchange in order to live a more meaningful and significant life?

John R. Miles (22:31)

Are you feeling stressed? Not sleeping well? You're not alone. Thankfully, I found a game changer. Magnesium Breakthrough from Bio Optimizers. It's been a total upgrade for my sleep and stress levels. Magnesium Breakthrough is packed with the top seven forms of magnesium, giving you the ultimate support for better sleep, stress management, balanced hormones and improved mood, all in one bottle. It's like a wellness reset. You didn't know you needed since using Magnesium Breakthrough, my sleep has gone from restless to restorative. I wake up feeling refreshed and ready for the day. Right now for the entire month of November, Bio Optimizers, the makers of Magnesium Breakthrough are having a Black Friday blowout sale on all their products all month long. You will get discounts with my unique code plus access to up to $100 in free gifts with purchase. Go to bioptimizers.com passion and use code Passion to get your discount and free gifts Today. The holidays are here at the Home Depot. So let's get to decorating. Find your perfect tree in our huge assortment of shapes, sizes and styles. Like the easy to assemble Jackson Noble fir with pre lit branches perfect for styling with all your favorite ornaments or the flock Starry Light Frasier fir with over 1900 pre lit memory wire branches that keep their shape so it's ready right out of the box. Ooh. Find the perfect tree now at the Home Depot. It's better over here.

Dr. Josh Axe (24:07)

Now at T Mobile get four 5G phones on us and four lines for.

John R. Miles (24:11)

$25 a line per month when you switch with eligible trade ins all on America's largest 5G network. Minimum of 4 lines for $25 per line per month with autopay discount using debit or bank account, $5 more per line without autopay plus taxes and fees and $10 device connection charge phones via 24 monthly bill credits for well qualified customers. Contact us before canceling entire account to continue bill credits or credit stop and balance on a required finance agreement. Due bill credits end if you pay off devices early. CT mobile.com I love that you bring that up. And in this chapter that we're discussing, you use a person who I highlighted in my book as well, Steve Jobs. And I think you bring up an important element here to your question that you asked me, and that is I was very much on this path of living the Steve Jobs life. I was so focused on my career and success that the pillars underneath my stool were all these external measures of what I thought were going to bring me fulfillment but were only bringing me despair instead. And I think you summed it up really well in the book when you're talking about Steve Jobs, what good is gaining the world but losing your soul? What good is growing a company but losing your family? What good is gaining wealth but losing your health? What good is being right but ruining your marriage? What good is getting a promotion but losing your integrity? And when I think about that in my own Life. I met with a career coach who was a psychologist, and he had me do this exercise where I looked at my own stool and what was underneath it. And then I looked at who I wanted to become and what needed to change in the pillars that were underneath me. And it's many of the things that you write about with Steve Jobs. I wanted better relationships. I wanted kids who down the line wanted to still go out on dates with me when they were in their 20s, 30s, 40s. However, because they liked hanging out with their dad, it meant I needed to have a new relationship with my mental and physical health. I couldn't keep burning myself out like I was doing and expect that I was going to be able to operate on all cylinders like I wanted to. It meant that I needed to change from so much of my time caught up in serving myself into being a disciple and serving others. It means meant that I needed to double down on my faith journey and use that as a core element of my life, building the soul journey that I wanted to phase in my life on this planet. So that's how I redefine success for myself. I don't know if you want to build on that or take it anywhere, but that's how I personally redefined it.

Dr. Josh Axe (26:57)

That's so powerful. One of the things that I realized was I don't. The best thing to believe is the thing that the most successful people believe in terms of real success. Right? And again, my definition of real success is more of a biblical narrative around making Earth a heavenly place. So if there's trash on the ground, we pick it up, right? If a area is dirt, let's turn it into a regenerative rainforest in terms of. And then relationships, I think, not just with the earth, but with people. And God is even more important than that. And so for me, that's my definition of success is doing that not just now, but also with an eternal mindset. And so what I try and do in different areas of my life is not focus on what I believe, but focus on what is the most successful people in their field believe that it's also virtuous. So, for instance, I might have my own ideas right now about finances, but I want to go and say, how does Warren Buffett and Elon Musk, how do they think about wealth and how do they think about growing wealth? And I want to study and adopt. Maybe I picked them and a few others. What do they believe about investing in finances and everything else? And I want to then go and adopt those same mindsets and beliefs. For myself and in discovering the truth, same thing. How do I know what's true spiritually? Right. And I need to look at. Because there's a lot of different religions out there. There's within Christianity, right? We've got Protestantism and Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Within Judaism, you've got different. You've got more of the Reformed and Orthodox there. And then there's Buddhism and there's Islam and all these other things. And for me, there's a Bible verse and it reminds me of this. Jesus says, you'll recognize them by the fruit in their lives. By your. By their fruit. You'll recognize them. If somebody has good, beautiful fruit like a Mother Teresa or a Martin Luther King Jr. Or a William Wilberforce or these people that change the world for good, what is it that they believed? What was their religion? What was their spiritual belief? Okay. The people that have the best fruit in their lives. I'm going to follow them. John. There's a lot of marriage coaches and counselors out there, and I remember one of them and they'd been divorced five times. Now. Sometimes we can learn things from a divorce, right? And some there's great counselors that have been remarried and now have a great marriage and they learn from the first time. But somebody that's been through five and still struggling in the middle and then giving someone else relationship advice. It's similar thing with health. Have you ever seen the pictures of some of the people running the health of the United States and then some of the other countries who are running the Department of Health versus you look at someone like a Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In his 70s, ripped and shredded and very healthy, very mentally sharp and it's okay. Who am I going to listen to? The best person to listen to and to is in the best person to create your beliefs around are the people that have the greatest fruit in their life. In the specific area that we're looking to model, same thing. It's if you and I are learning how to do better shows like in to educate and help inspire people, is that. Are we going to be spending time studying again? It's probably going to be Joe Rogan and, I don't know, Jordan Peterson and other people that have good shows versus somebody who's never done it before. So I think it's important. And a lot of this goes back to modeling. Like I have learned the most in my life from humbly modeling other people that are ahead of where I currently am.

John R. Miles (30:27)

I think that's a such an important mentorship tidbit that you just gave. Even in my own career, when I was looking for mentors, I was always looking for a mentor who was at a place that I wanted to be two to three steps ahead of where I was now, because I wanted to learn the shorter path to get there and the mistakes that they made that I could avoid. And I think it's such an important thing that you bring up. And yet we tend to look just across the horizon instead of longer term in who we want to become. And I want to go in a little bit different direction, Josh, because when I think about historical figures, and I've heard you talk about this person before, a person who I've always admired was Michelangelo. And I think back about being in his shoes when he's asked to paint the Sistine Chapel. And he's not even known as a painter, he's a sculptor. And he gets this edict from the Pope and his first inclination is, there's no way in heck I'm going to do that. And if my history is correct, he then escapes from the Vatican to get out of it and then does some soul searching and it brings him back. But I know Michelangelo is a person who you cite as well. What do you think a listener can learn from his journey?

Dr. Josh Axe (31:57)

Well, I'd say there's two things. If somebody is listening to this and they're saying, you know what? I want to live the greatest life possible. I want to get to the end of my life, and I know that I left it all in the field. I have no regrets. If you want to do that and grow to your maximum, there's two things you need. You need to grow in character, and you need to grow in your unique skills that God gifted you in. And that's one. And that's what we see with Michelangelo, is that he had such unique gifting as an artist, as a sculptor, as a painter. And he took that to the highest level possible. Reminds me of in the Bible, there's a parable of the talents, right? And so God gives somebody one talent, another two and another five, and the person with one buries their talent. Now that's fine, that's actually money, but it also could be seen as your God given talent. Maybe it's education or coaching or customer service, but one person buries it, the second person goes and doubles it, and the person with five goes and doubles his. Well, later on that master comes back, which is God in the story and the one that buries in. He says, you're evil and wicked for doing so, for wasting your talent. And the other two, he says, now I'm going to double you, double what you even have and give you even more beyond that. And so I think about Michelangelo in the very same way. Michelangelo had a talent, and he also had a certain level of character and amazing work ethic and wanting to do something that was inspirational and that would honor God. And so he went and created. I mean, I want to say it took him like seven to ten years because of, they said he went partly blind while he was painting the Sistine Chapel. I mean, here's the other inspiring thing about this. When I was recently in Italy, I was doing a. I took a tour on Michelangelo because I just love his work so much. And they had said he lived to be 88 years old, which during that time the average lifespan, I wanted to say, was like upper 40s. So. So he almost doubled the lifespan of a lot of people. And part of it, I believe, was because he had so much purpose. He was doing something really meaningful, really significant, because it was divinely inspired. And so to sum up, I want to say, the life of Michelangelo, there is a story of him after he had just finished painting the Sistine Chapel and he's showing somebody his work and before they revealed it to the public. And he's showing somebody and somebody said, michelangelo, why did you spend so much time painting this little corner that literally nobody's going to see? And his answer was, because God will see. And to me, that was so moving of thinking about our lives in that way that you know what? Somebody might not see it, but God will see it. And that's a very eternal mindset if somebody wants to be successful. We see this in the psychology research that the longer somebody thinks out, okay, the more successful they are. So if somebody's living for today only, they tend to not be very successful versus somebody has a 10 year plan and is working towards 10 years or their lifetime, they tend to be much more successful. Well, Michelangelo goes beyond that as he was thinking eternally. And he was even more successful. Reminds me of a C.S. lewis quote. And he says, the people that do the most in this life are the very people that think most about the next life. And so Michelangelo was able to do that via taking his skill to the highest level possible and taking his character. And what a lot of people do today, John, is they try and become jacks of all trades of maybe doing a thing here or there very. Rather than going very deep in one topic. And I think the best thing somebody can do is say, I want to grow in this one single area, maybe it's a character quality, maybe it's a skill, but spending hours upon hours and just getting better at that one thing, and that's how people tend to experience the greatest success in their life, is going very deep. And we're living in a world today. It's just so superficial. It's okay, I've got a thousand friends on Instagram, but how many of them are really friends? I'd rather have one true friend. I go incredibly deep with that I can trust and build a deep, meaningful, lifelong relationship than a thousand friends on social media. So I think the same thing goes for our work and our life is the more we can grow this, you know, decide on that one area where God has gifted us and take that to the max, the bigger impact we'll have.

John R. Miles (36:09)

I completely agree with you and I don't talk about this that much publicly, but 2017, I was very close friends with a gentleman named Tim. And Tim was this type of friend that you talk about, the person who, 3:00 in the morning, you're struggling, and not only will he pick up the phone, he's that one who'll drive across town to sit with you and put you at ease. And unfortunately, he ended up committing suicide. And I cannot tell you the void I felt in my own life of not having that deep a friendship. And they're so difficult to find. And when I look back upon that, I just wish at times I could have done more to help him. And I didn't even realize the pain he was going through. And I think sometimes we see people so superficially that we often put these masks on, showing a different version of ourself to the world that's really going on inside. And I think as we're meeting with people, we need to understand that people are struggling. And it, it takes a lot of vulnerability to get through those layers to, to reach a point where you're willing to give. Like I. I was with my friend Tim, and I wish he would have done the same back to me. And I wish I could have asked more probing questions to get him to share more with me. I don't know.

Dr. Josh Axe (37:43)

Well, one of the things, John, I just want to say too, I mean, this is one of the things I love about your podcast, is you're constantly now inspiring people in really having a great impact on the world. And so I've been so impressed by just seeing. I mean, first off, your podcast is one of the fastest growing podcasts, one of the most successful podcasts, and helping Inspire people in growth and leadership. And so it's the work you're doing now is so impactful and to your point, one of the things that I think I realized when I ran my functional medicine clinic full time, now I have a virtual practice and we have people that I advise on healing a number of issues. But I can tell you from working with tens of thousands of patients, almost every single person is really struggling with something in their life. It could be low self esteem, it could be going through a divorce, losing a loved one, workplace issues. But most people have some level of emotional turmoil. And for a lot of people, they may have gone years without somebody saying something truly nice and meaningful to them that's uplifting. Like when I had Mrs. Williams tell me and she said, josh, you could be a great writer. Like for me that I don't think I'd somebody say something like that to me in months. And so. And for some people, they've never had anyone say that to them. So I really one thing, I lead a men's group now and one of the things I'll do every year in the men's group is I'll put my hand on the guy's shoulders. Individuals and I do this because my grandfather did this to me and I'll look them in the eyes and I'll say, God has gifted you to do this. I believe you have this calling, you have this gifting, you can have this impact and help cast a vision for them in their life and speak life into them. In terms of what I see their giftings are, their character are, their character is as well. And so I would encourage everybody who's on who's listening here is to you, be that person to somebody else, put your hand on their shoulder, look them in the eyes and tell them what in them, the goodness in them, the impact they can have, challenge them to grow because it might just save someone's life. It could transform someone's life, help set them on a new trajectory. And those I can think through a few Times, not just Ms. Williams. I can think of my grandfather doing that to me. I can think about a mentor, a Ben who is a doctor who did that to me in my life and a friend of mine, Jordan Rubin, it those are. Were the somebody doing that for me was these those created the single biggest turning points in my entire life.

John R. Miles (40:06)

Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. And it caused something for me to think about the past three weeks, gone to church every single week. Two times I went to a Catholic church. One time I went to A non denominational church. And it's interesting because all three of the sermons we're talking about service and the need for us to serve, to feel fulfilled. What I wanted to ask you Josh, is I think a lot of people feel compelled to serve. But then the next question is where do you serve? Like how do you use your talent? I think people go about it the wrong way. I think we try to think our way into how to serve instead of realizing that if we just put ourselves out there, other people are going to see our inherent talents and it's going to point us in a direction where we end up serving. How do you think about that?

Dr. Josh Axe (41:03)

Well, I think you're spot on. I think you're exactly right and I think there are two ways to do this. But number one is what you just shared and that is just show up somewhere at a church, at a synagogue, at the local soup kitchen, but just start showing up and saying, you know what, I'm going to devote one hour a week, two hours a week to just doing something where I don't get anything return. I just get to serve someone who's in need. And over time you probably, they probably will see some gifts and skills that you have and you'll be able to utilize those gifts and skills within that community you're serving. And so again a place I like to do that is church. And so it could be and I'll give you an example. I've got a friend of mine and what he has his daughters do is they go to church but they also I think once a month go and maybe more than this, they're high schoolers and they go and spend time with the four and five year olds like just serving in that way. And other people go and help part in the parking lot or one might lead a growth group. I mean there's a lot of ways or they go and you know, do soup kitchens or help with handing out clothes to the homeless or gathering clothes. I mean there are a lot of different things that can happen. So that's number one to your point is finding a group you can just show up at and just plug in with everybody else. And over time maybe you do have a new gifting where you can serve in a more unique way outside of that. And the other thing is you might think about also in your. And again I think there's so much value in just showing up in serving in a specific community, whether it be religious or non religious in some way. And then the other thing is do think about your talent like I'll give you an example of something I've done for years, John, is I do see patients via the practitioner. I have a group of practitioners in a virtual practice. It's called the Health Institute. And so we take care of a lot of people with hypothyroidism, autoimmune disease, diabetes, infertility. And we put together programs and supplement packages and help people heal and reverse their chronic illness. Now, I get paid to do that, and the practitioners do, but sometimes I just probably at least once a week, I go and create a health plan for somebody for absolutely free, right? And so I will go and figure out, for instance, now I will share with you, John, a lot of them are referrals from my mom or a lot of different people I know over time. And so my mom is a breast cancer survivor. And so she'll have a woman, let's say, who had, maybe has breast cancer. And my mom will say, hey, could you talk with them? And I'll do more than talk with them. I'll go and write down an exact eating plan, a supplement plan, maybe even send them products for free and do everything I can to help serve them. I'll spend time, pray with them on the phone. And I do that without getting paid because I know that God gave me a gift in his son, and I want to be able to give gifts in return, asking nothing in return. So I think the primary way is what you just shared is being able to plug into a community in some way, but also think about what your unique gifts are and try and do some of those sort of things on a regular basis. Here's one other thing I mentioned earlier. Very few people have had a word of encouragement an entire week. Okay. That are adults primarily, but also a lot of kids. Maybe once a week, you have a time plugged in for 30 minutes where you just send positive messages to people in your life. Could be a text message, could be a handwritten note. I had a friend of mine I met in high school. I went to visit him in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I was speaking at Kellogg's in front of their headquarters, demanding they get the dyes and the chemicals out of our cereal and food supply. But while I was up there, I saw a friend from high school I hadn't seen since his wedding 18 years ago. And after seeing him, he wrote me a handwritten note of how much my friendship meant to him, even after we hadn't seen each other that long. And it was so meaningful because handwritten notes are so rare today. I mean, like I'm going to keep it because it was just that meaningful. And so just things like that, that you could just schedule once a week for even 30 minutes can radically improve the lives of others.

John R. Miles (45:07)

I'm so happy that you went down that path at the end because it leads me into something I wanted to talk to you about. You, you were just talking about connection and the need to connect and express gratitude and to share with people the impact that they're making. I think one of the biggest diseases that I see in the world today is the disease of disconnection. We are so disconnected, not only with other people, but we are so disconnected from ourself. And I found this in my own self years ago that I thought I had self awareness. And if I would look back on myself and rate where I was probably a 2 on the 10 because I was so disconnected with everything else in my life that I wasn't spending the quiet moments that I needed to have that connection. And when you're disconnected with yourself, you're disconnected with everything else in your life. I was hoping you might give some thoughts on this disease of disconnection.

Dr. Josh Axe (46:10)

Yeah, it makes me think of two things. I want to talk about self awareness and then something actually very different. But I think they're both to your point. The other one is loneliness. Now, we live in a culture where a lot of people talk about goal setting and I'm a big goal setter, and I know you are too. Like casting a vision for your life, setting a goal, creating a strategic plan, that's powerful. But what's. When you look at the ancient spiritual texts, the Tanakh or the Torah or the Bible, or you look at a lot of the Buddhist or Taoist philosophy and monks, they don't talk about goal setting almost ever. They talk primarily about self awareness. Goal setting is where you want to go. Awareness is where are you right now. And you can't truly get to where you want to go unless you know where you are now. So think about if you're driving in a map, you're saying, hey, I want to go to. I want to go up, I want to go down to the Miami, the Florida Keys, wherever it is. Okay, well, what if you don't know where you currently are? How do you know whether to go east, west, north, south? It's pretty hard to know. So self awareness is the epitome of wisdom. Okay? And it's one of the most important. It's a cardinal virtue that we need to develop if we're going to grow to our highest Level possible. By the way, there's some great research that shows the people that are the happiest do two things. They're the people that serve others the most and the people that are experiencing the most growth in their life in their character and skill. So if you want to be happy, it's essential you do that. But it's really hard to grow unless you have a level of self awareness. And I think that you develop self awareness by thinking unbiasedly about where you are now. And for most people that's going to lead them to a great level of humility of realizing that, you know what we are finite beings in a vast endless world and we don't necessarily have to have a lot of meaning. And that's very humbling. But then there's a level of confidence that's built knowing that we're children of God created for eternal life and what that. And to know that we can literally alter the life of someone else. As we've talked about, we could say something mean and hurtful to somebody which could cause them to take their own life or have a negative experience or whatever. Or we could say something to somebody that could save their life or cause them to go on to do great meaningful things with their life. So I think there's a level there of understanding at the simultaneously we're almost nothing. We're dirt and we're mud. Yeah. We're also eternal divine beings. It's. You want to hold both things in your hand at the same time and be aware of yourself in that way. And some of the people that I respect the most, John, it's probably similar with yourself. They are the most spiritually and self aware. Like I'm thinking about pastors, rabbis, priests, monks. There's some of them where it's very hard to rattle them. It's almost like they're sitting there had they have a calm sense of spirit that's calming towards others. They ask. They see into your soul in a way, some of them even that are really very aware. And so you could say something negative to them or hurtful and they're going to sit there without any expression change or maybe the thing that will pop up on their face is a smile and say they're going to be thinking more about hurt people hurt. Say hurtful things like they're going to sit there and look at you and think there's hurt in your life. How can I bless you? How can I love you into help you heal versus a person that's not self aware. If somebody Says something hurtful to them, they're going to respond with something hurtful. Back. They get punched, they're going to punch back. Versus it's like Taekwondo, I believe it's the martial arts where somebody punches you, you take their own force and you use it to move them or against them in that way. It's more of that sort of that. That self awareness, that spiritual awareness or growth is having that sort of ability. And so being aware of your strengths and your weaknesses and being aware of where you need to grow and also being aware of maybe what others are thinking and feeling so you can support and bless their life. So I do think that being connected to yourself and as the Bible talks about the Holy Spirit or God, for even that level of a higher consciousness working through you, that is so incredibly powerful. And the people I say see doing not just the most with their life, but the most good with their life. Because there's people doing a lot with their life, but maybe it's working towards evil. Gates does a lot with his life, but I think it's a net negative. Right. And so there are other people that are doing it towards the good. And the other point there is with loneliness. And I'm not sure which question you were wanting. I think it's the self awareness, but not being connected only to yourself and the divine, but not being connected to the others is one of the most physiological, destructive things in the world. In fact, there was a study, and I published this in my book, there was a researcher, and they found that when it comes to decreasing lifespan, experiencing extreme loneliness for a day is the equivalent of smoking 15 cigarettes.

John R. Miles (51:26)

Yeah, I think it's actually 21. Juliet Hunt Lunstead.

Dr. Josh Axe (51:30)

Okay.

John R. Miles (51:30)

Yeah, she's teaching BYU.

Dr. Josh Axe (51:34)

That's right. It's 20. It might be 21 cigarettes a day or it might be two different studies. But overall, you think about how damaging that is, it's incredibly destructive. And so I think that going into Foster, I mean, my mindset, John, rather than having relationships that just fall into my lap, which I'm generally open to, but more so I go in, really, I'm very conscious about who are the five people I spend the most time with in making sure that I'm doing everything I can to love them and be a great friend and add value to them and that they can do the same reciprocally to me, to be that sort of iron sharpens iron for each other. But I do think we're in an epidemic of loneliness right now with people today. And I think that's another Reason why, you know, when I first got into practice, the top issues that were growing were cancer, heart disease, diabetes, childhood obesity. Today, by far, the number one issue is mental health issues. Depression, anxiety and loneliness and identity disorders.

John R. Miles (52:30)

Well, I think a lot of that comes back to this disease of disconnection, but it's that disease of not connecting with ourselves. And when you're not connected with yourself, you don't feel like you matter. You don't feel like you hold significance, which I think is the whole reason God put us on the planet is to feel significant. And when you don't feel that aspect of your life. Yeah, it's going to lead to a bunch of mental and emotional health issues.

Dr. Josh Axe (52:57)

Exactly. I do think that's the epitome of identity issues, is that it's that low self worth. My life doesn't matter. And people need to understand that it does. It has eternal significance. And to your point, I do think that's the core. Core. The core of the issue.

John R. Miles (53:12)

Well, Josh, I'm going to take you completely on a different topic. It's a health topic, but I'm going to tie it into this disease of disconnection. And I have never talked about this before publicly. Not sure why I'm choosing to do it now, but I thought it tied in. I, throughout my adult life, have been a drinker. And August 1st of last year, 2023, I decided to stop drinking altogether. And I get the question all the time from people, why did you stop drinking? And I really don't think it's a question that needs to be asked. And I've never really answered it, but for me, it came down to this whole disease of disconnection. I found that when I was drinking, it was leading me to be more disconnected from myself, and I wanted to see if I gave it up, what changes it would bring in my life. And what caused me to want to talk about this is I realized that so many of the things I was doing, the activities, the people I was hanging out with, everything else, they were really surrounded by a connection point of drinking. And I found that when I was drinking, I wasn't having deep connections with people. I was not having deep connections with myself because I was using it as a way to escape from the feelings that I was having. Not to mention the health benefits, the cognitive function benefits, the sleep benefits that I've had come with it. But I know you've talked a lot about alcohol and its negative impacts, but I was wondering if you've ever touched on it from that lens.

Dr. Josh Axe (54:55)

Well, John, we have, in fact, I did a podcast not long ago and really talked about some of the negative impacts of alcoholism. How to overcome addiction with nutrition and mindset. And I. What I think, so I'm trying to think of who gave this quote and I want to say it's Carl Jung, the famed psychologist. But he says something like this. When, when we don't have a certain level of significance and meaning in our life, we go and we numb out with idle pleasures. But basically people are looking for meaning. If you don't have meaning and significance in your life, it's painful, it's lonely, it's a selfish. It also affects your sense of value. And I think about right now, like any time in my life that maybe I've had a sense of lacking value. There's some sort of a deep seated emotional, spiritual pain that sort of is there. And so I think that a lot of people who maybe don't know their purpose in life and don't know their unique gifts and skills and aren't using that for good. I think anytime we live out of alignment with the way God designed us, it's painful or it leads to pain, it leads to pain in the long run. And so a lot of people will use alcohol to numb out. It's numbing in a way. Right? And it's not just alcohol, though. I think it's almost anything that we can become addicted to. It could be Netflix and constantly just watching things. It could be scrolling constantly on TikTok or Instagram, on social media, it could be shopping, it could be drugs. I mean, there's numerous things that we use to numb ourselves out. But in those times, it's when we're typically the least self aware as well, when you're numbing yourself. And so with someone like you, I think that now maybe you're at a point in your life now where you probably have, from what I perceive, maybe more purpose and meaning than you've ever had. Again, you're having such a great impact on so many lives and so many people. And you've heard this before because you've probably read some Tony Robbins too. He talks about this. Now this goes way back to the Bible. I think it talks about this generally in the Old Testament. But we make decisions for two reasons, pain and pleasure. Right? If we can get enough pleasure from something good in our life, then we, then that's the best way to go. But sometimes we make decisions to avoid pain. And so I think certain things could be drinking, other things, maybe we're doing that to avoid certain types of pain. But when it comes to connection, obviously the more you are clear of mind, probably the deeper you can connect with somebody or have a real connection to. So I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot to that conversation and a lot to that idea. But by the way, culturally, we're seeing this a lot with Gen Z as well. There are more people now giving up things like alcohol than I think maybe what was happening 10, 20 years ago.

John R. Miles (57:49)

I'll tell you, the thing I've realized is just how much it is a social norm to drink. I mean, I remember being like two months into it and going into restaurants and observing everyone around me, and every single adult is drinking, and it becomes such a norm. That's what makes it so different when you see someone not do it. But the. For me, the benefits of not drinking have been so tremendous that it's created a completely different value system for me in who I want in my life, who I don't, and where I'm willing to spend time and how much time I was wasting before when I was drinking.

Dr. Josh Axe (58:32)

John, it's so powerful. I'm thinking back. So when I was in college, okay, I drank a pretty good amount with the guys there. I was in a fraternity which, going back, I never would have joined. But again, you learn. So I did it my first couple years. I drank fairly heavily my freshman and sophomore year. And then I got to a point where I just felt really empty. I thought none of my relationships were meaningful. I felt like I did have really meaningful relationships in high school. And I just prayed to God and said, God, I need you. And I ended up starting to really pursue God in my life, find my unique gifts and talents, my purpose. All of that in my life seemed to be more full. However, I did have some of the same friend group. And every time, every social gathering was alcohol, like that was at the center. And I'd find myself drinking and then not feeling good the next day, or not being as productive or not still not having those meaningful relationships. And I realized, like, I needed to find a completely different social group. Like, it was almost like I had to fire or break up with my friend group and go find a completely different friend group because I felt like when I was hanging out with them because I would try not to drink. And I felt, okay, everyone else is drinking. I'm the one not drinking anymore. At least only drinking one. And so I felt lonely, like I was the black sheep of the entire group for a while until I went and found a completely different group of friends. I think that's hard for a lot of people because a lot of us have relationships. We might feel guilty about maybe leaving a friend group behind. But I think if you don't have, I think about it like this. A psychologist said this. He said if you wouldn't recommend your own child hang out with them and you wouldn't like love that your kids are hanging out with them, you shouldn't hang out with them as well as one of your close friends. Doesn't mean you can't minister to their life and you can't support them on occasion. But actually having a deep friendship with them or trying to pursue that sort of thing with them, if you wouldn't want your own child to have a deep relationship with them, then that's not the right fit for you either.

John R. Miles (60:24)

Amen to that. And I know you've read my book. It's something that I highlight.

Dr. Josh Axe (60:28)

Fantastic.

John R. Miles (60:29)

In the mosquito principle.

Dr. Josh Axe (60:31)

Yes. The blood suckers. Yes. That's a good. It's so true.

John R. Miles (60:36)

Josh, I think we're going to have to do a part two of this because I didn't even get into the whole health care questions, health related questions. I wanted to ask that. I know the listeners really wanted to hear you discuss. So I, I think in, in the future and, and we talked about this before you came on, we need to do this again in person and maybe do a longer exploration because there's so much more I want to get into with you.

Dr. Josh Axe (61:04)

Well, I'd love that, John and all. As I told you, I got family in Florida. I'll come down sometime from Nashville and would love to be on your show. Let's do an in person and I actually love to have you to Nashville and interview you here as well. And if people do want to learn, I, I obviously talk a lot about health on my podcast. Like men, how do you boost your testosterone? Women, how do you naturally bounce your hormones? Gut health, immunity and a whole lot more and a lot of mindset and growth stuff. So people could check out the Dr. Josh ax show too. But yeah, I would love to have you on and this is an honor again. I know that you've got such an incredible base of listeners that are inspiring people and want to do big things with their lives. So again, I just want to say thanks so much for having me on today.

John R. Miles (61:42)

Well, Josh, it was such an honor and you do have an incredible show. I highly encourage my listeners tune into it. So much wisdom. I always look listen to your shows and Stephen Cabral's who I think is a mutual friend of ours as well for a ton of topics. I have no idea how he puts out so much content. That guy is a machine when he was doing almost all solo episodes. But thank you so much for being on the show man.

Dr. Josh Axe (62:09)

Awesome. Well thank you John. God bless everybody. Thanks so much John.

John R. Miles (62:12)

Again, what an insightful conversation with Dr. Josh Axe. His journey from personal challenges to becoming a leader in natural health and holistic wellness is a powerful reminder of how mindset shifts can redefine our approach to life and health. Dr. Axe's story of turning pain into purpose, harnessing the power of food as medicine, and embracing small, intentional changes serves as an inspiring guide for anyone looking to elevate their well being and reclaim control over their mind and body. As you reflect on today's episode, think about this what limiting beliefs are you holding onto that might be holding you back from the life that you deserve? How can you start shifting your mindset to not only overcome those barriers, but thrive in ways you've never imagined? Remember, as Dr. Axe shared, true transformation begins with the beliefs you choose to hold and the small, actionable steps you take each day. For more on Dr. Axe's work, including his latest book and wellness resources, check out the show notes@passionstruck.com don't forget to explore our YouTube channels for today's episode and more. And visit passionstruck.com deals for exclusive offers from our show sponsors. Supporting them helps keep passionstruck thriving. You can connect with me on Twitter and Instagram onrmiles or find me on LinkedIn. I'd love to hear how today's conversation impacted you. Looking to deepen your journey? Head to passionstruck.com and take the Passionstruck quiz to see where you are in living your most intentional, purpose driven life. Sign up for the Live Intentionally newsletter for weekly insights, actionable exercises, and a courage challenge to put these lessons into action. If you found value in Dr. Axe's wisdom, please rate and review the show with five stars and share this episode with someone who could use a boost of inspiration. Your shares help expand this community and amplify our mission of leading intentional lives full of purpose. Now here's what you can look forward to on our next episode of Passion Struck, I'll be joined by the insightful Kim Scott, author of Radical Candor and a renowned leadership expert. We'll dive into the essential principles of open communication, authentic leadership, and building strong, trust filled relationships in both your personal and professional life. The whole point of hiring people is to encourage them to make a contribution. I mean, there's no point at all.

Dr. Josh Axe (64:18)

In hiring great people and then telling them to sit down and shut up, which is really what bias, prejudice and bullying in different ways do to people. I think it's important for leaders to learn how to teach their teams to disrupt bias in the moment.

John R. Miles (64:34)

If we ignore these comments, then we.

Dr. Josh Axe (64:36)

Reflect and reinforce them.

John R. Miles (64:38)

Thank you as always for being here and sharing your time with us. Remember, if you found value in today's episode, share it with someone who could benefit. And keep applying what you learn here so you can live what you listen. Until next time. Live life. Passion struck.

Dr. Josh Axe (65:01)

It's time to get the world talking about black lip brands.

John R. Miles (65:05)

We all have our favorites, but we can't keep them all to ourselves. So if you're feeling a little black.

Dr. Josh Axe (65:09)

Opal beauty, tell somebody. If the lip bar gives you a.

John R. Miles (65:12)

Lip for every drip, let them know.

Dr. Josh Axe (65:15)

And if your hair is doing the do, shout that out too. Join Walmart in shouting out your favorite black lead products, creating a new world.

John R. Miles (65:22)

Of choices@walmart.com blackandunlimited Meet the next generation of podcast stars with SiriusXM's Listen Next program presented by State Farm. As part of their mission to help.

Dr. Josh Axe (65:35)

Voices be heard, State Farm teamed up.

John R. Miles (65:37)

With SiriusXM to uplift diverse and emerging creators. Tune in to Stars and Stars with Issa as host, Issa Nakazawa dives into birth charts of her celeb guests. This is just the start of a new wave of podcasting. Visit statefarm.com to find out how we.

Dr. Josh Axe (65:53)

Can help prepare for your future.

John R. Miles (65:55)

Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.