This Episode

Michael returns to the show after a standout LP Deal Review Q&A, and Chris digs into the full backstory: how Michael went from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange—trading interest rate derivatives bell-to-bell—to building Origin Investments into a multifamily-focused platform built around downside protection and long-term compounding.

They unpack how Michael thinks about “edge” as markets became more efficient, why risk management lives at both the deal level and the company level, and what LPs should pay attention to when evaluating a manager’s balance sheet and decision-making under pressure. The conversation also gets tactical on portfolio construction in today’s environment—why Michael believes credit is being “overcompensated” relative to equity, how Origin evolved from value-add to a build/buy/lend approach, and how cycle awareness influences where (and how) he’s willing to deploy capital.

Chris also asks how current macro uncertainty impacts underwriting and positioning right now, and Michael closes with a set of simple, but hard-earned, LP principles: build a written plan, stay disciplined, keep liquidity, and remember that small performance deltas compound into life-changing outcomes over time.

Key Takeaways

Michael’s path from commodities/derivatives trading to launching Origin and why 2007-2009 was a formative real estate “training ground”

How to think about “edge” in modern real estate when information is ubiquitous and why small advantages still matter

Risk management at two levels: deal structure (leverage, markets, people) and firm structure (bench strength, balance sheet support)

Why Michael would overweight credit today and keep equity exposure selective and how that creates flexibility to rebalance

LP discipline lessons: write your strategy down, don’t fear saying “no,” protect liquidity, and let compounding do the heavy lifting

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