Astros Biggest Need at the Deadline + Who Do We Trust in This Rotation?

Summary

Payne & Pendergast Podcast Summary

Episode: Astros’ Biggest Need at the Deadline + Who Do We Trust in This Rotation?
Date: July 9, 2026
Hosts: Seth Payne & Guest Host Luke Morrow (in for Sean Pendergast)
Produced by: Audacy / SportsRadio 610

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Seth Payne and guest host Luke Morrow dive into the Astros’ current struggles, focusing on their biggest needs as the MLB trade deadline approaches. They dissect the rotation's glaring weaknesses, debate possible trade priorities, and candidly discuss which pitchers—if any—they trust in high-pressure playoff scenarios. The conversation is laced with humor and relatable tangents, including NFL-branded adult diapers, Deion Sanders’ endorsement deals, and an extended metaphor comparing struggling pitchers to aging iPhones.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Light-Hearted Opener: Diapers, Deion Sanders, and NFL Stories

• NFL Diapers & Coach Prime:
  • Seth jokes about his old idea for NFL-branded adult diapers, riffing off news that Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders is now a spokesman for Depends due to medical reasons.
  • “Texans branded Depends undergarments? I’d totally go for that.” – Seth (02:08)
  • Dialogue brings humor to the topic of aging and celebrity endorsement, with callbacks to film references (Billy Madison: “If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.” – Luke, 03:01).
  • Both hosts riff on whether endorsements like this could even make adult diapers “cool”.

Notable Moment:

• Seth suggests wearing diapers for a week to see if his wife notices:

  “I did. I wore these for a week and my wife didn’t even notice.” (07:58)

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Colorado Football & Film Study—A Quick Detour

• Discusses Colorado QB Julian Lewis’ admission that he didn’t watch game film last year and how that affected the team’s performance.
• Seth explains how, especially for young QBs, executing the playbook often comes first, but acknowledges the lack of film study likely contributed to Colorado’s 1-8 conference record.
• Pat Shermer’s surprise as OC for not instilling a film-study habit is briefly noted.

Notable Quotes:

• “That’s one of the first big shocks to your system when you get to college is the first time you’re in a film session. You’re like, my God, how much longer are we going to do this?” — Seth (03:38)
• “It’s not ideal.” — Seth, on skipping film study (05:38)

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Astros’ Pitching Crisis: What’s the Biggest Need at the Deadline?

(Begins at 08:14)

• Astros just lost another series, getting routed 8-2 by the Nationals.
• Spencer Arrighetti shelled again, ERA approaching 9 in last seven starts.
• Current Front Office Focus: Dana Brown has maintained the party line: looking for a left-handed outfielder.
• Hosts’ Argument: Both Seth and Luke argue the dire need is SP (starting pitcher) depth, not a lefty bat.

Seth’s Take:

“The biggest issue right now on this team, the thing that would make it impossible to actually win a seven-game series, I think, is that you just—you don’t have enough pitchers to actually make it through. You might as well spot the other team two wins.” (09:01)

Statistical Snapshot:

• Despite a good record since late May, the Astros rotation’s ERA is around 6.
• “They’re doing it while also having their starting rotation have about a 6 ERA… One guy brought from outside, and maybe one Christian Javier actually being a good performer, it completely flips how far you could go in the playoffs.” — Seth (09:56)

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Who Do We Trust in This Astros Rotation?

(Starts 10:22)

• Luke lists 10 possible Astros starters (Hunter Brown, Peter Lambert, Spencer Arrighetti, Mike Burrows, Imai, Christian Javier, et al.).
• Asks: “Realistically, out of those 10, how many do you actually trust in a must-win playoff game?” (10:54)

Seth’s Honest Answer:

“That I really trust—genuinely, down in my soul trust—as long as he keeps working his way back? Hunter Brown. Right. And that’s it.” (11:21)

• He reviews recent outings: Astros have allowed 8+ runs three times in last seven games; 5+ runs in four of the previous seven; and similar patterns throughout the past month.

Luke on Peter Lambert:

“I would like to trust Peter Lambert, but I’m still have this Cinderella concern of, you know, the other shoe is going to drop… Can we really count on him in a pennant race?” (13:59)

Seth on “Bullpen Days”:

• “I feel way better about a bullpen day than most of the starting pitchers. The only problem is… these starters are only going… none of them made it through five innings. You can’t even rely on a bullpen day if your relievers are going to be taxed that heavily.” (14:36)

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Extended Analogy: Astros Starters vs. Dying iPhones

• Luke compares pitcher Imai to his iPhone: “My iPhone, it’s great, can do a lot… but the longer you have the phone, the worse your battery gets. Even though it says it’s 100%, by lunchtime it’s already dying. By the third inning, we already gotta go to the bullpen.” (16:07)
• Both hosts trade stories about aging gadgets, being frugal, and the value of buying new vs. used gear or cars—mirroring the Astros’ trust issues with patched-together rotation pieces.

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Most Memorable Quotes & Exchanges

• Seth, on the urgency for a trade:

  “You might as well spot the other team two wins in a seven-game series…” (09:14)

• Luke, skeptical on Lambert:

  “We just haven’t seen this from Lambert before… is this the new Peter Lambert now, or a good stretch and he’ll get figured out?” (13:59)

• Seth, on Imai’s short outings:

  “He at least does us the honor of just sucking right off the bat usually and then quitting…” (15:21)

• Luke, on his iPhone and the Astros rotation:

  “Usually you expect five or six innings out of your starting pitcher… I can’t get there. I expect my iPhone to make it through the day—but it can’t.” (16:07)

• Seth, on frugality:

  “There’s a difference between getting rich and staying rich… if you ever worry you’re being too consumeristic, go through River Oaks and see people driving a really well kept 25-year-old Mercedes.” (18:52)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:27 – 04:00: NFL diapers, Deion Sanders Depends endorsement, and light banter.
• 04:05 – 06:36: Colorado football, film study debate, and Colorado QB’s candid admission.
• 08:14 – 09:59: Pivot to Astros—summation of pitching woes and trade deadline discussion.
• 10:22 – 11:21: Who do you trust in the Astros’ rotation?
• 13:59 – 16:07: Doubts about rotation depth and bullpen fatigue; Hunter Brown singled out as the only reliable starter.
• 16:07 – 17:46: Astros pitching compared to deteriorating iPhone batteries.
• 18:52 – 19:29: Life lessons on buying new vs. used—applied to roster building and personal finance.

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Tone & Style Notes

• The episode is classic Payne & Pendergast: insightful Houston sports analysis with plenty of authenticity, a conversational pace, and no hesitation to infuse humor and personal stories.
• Seth’s experience as a former pro athlete and Luke’s radio know-how lead to a measured blend of expertise and frank “fan in the bar” perspective.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

If you haven’t caught this episode, Payne & Pendergast provide a frank, relatable dissection of the Astros’ precarious pitching situation as the trade deadline looms. Both hosts—after starting with some fun NFL and aging-athlete asides—hammer home that Houston’s greatest need isn’t another bat, but starting pitching. Citing recent disastrous outings and the sheer lack of trustworthy arms, Seth and Luke agree that without adding at least one legitimate starter, the Astros’ playoff aspirations are on shaky ground. The rotation, much like an old iPhone, just can't hold up under pressure. Throughout, classic wit and personal analogies keep the tone lively but never distract from the core concern: the Astros must act boldly—or risk a quick October exit.

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Transcript

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[Luke Morrow]

What's the Astros biggest need right now and should they actually even bother moves at the deadline? We'll talk about that here. Payne and Pendergast, I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. Seth Somebody said on the text line I feel like Seth's idea for NFL branded diapers is one step closer after seeing Coach prime become a spokesperson for Depends.

[Seth Payne]

Oh is he?

[Luke Morrow]

Apparently yeah.

[Seth Payne]

There's a it was my idea was basically Underoos for adults that now and I think they do make Underoos for adults or at least overweight children. But the that's where I shop for my adult Underoos. I go to the Husky section.

[Luke Morrow]

The overweight children.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Dillard's the the the the it's a brilliant idea but I lack the follow through to follow through in it. But yeah, like Texans branded Depends undergarments and stuff. I totally go for that.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Well when it when the day comes

[Luke Morrow]

when I need it, it might be Yesterday we were talking about what pitch ideas would you bring to J.J. watt on Shark Tank. That might be one. And especially now, you got Coach prime, you know, promoting Depends.

[Seth Payne]

Does he. Does he. Does he say anything? Is there a testimonial? Does he have to use them or anything? Given his. I don't want to make light of his medical.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, right. That was. My assumption was. That's the connection, but I have no idea. That came in on the text line. I didn't know Coach prime was. Was working with the pens now, but

[Seth Payne]

I'll be probably impressed if he actually goes full testimonial and like, talks about, like, you know, he's undergoing cancer treatment and everything. I had to. Okay. Had to do. It's no big deal. Be like, Coach Prime.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah. He's making it cool. It's like in Billy Madison, right? If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Luke Morrow]

It's becoming hip again.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. So the first time Dion's out there on the sideline, you're going to have to see if there's a little extra bulge under his pants.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, that's always the worst for the old folks walking around, it gives them, you know, makes it look like a FUPA or something. You got the diaper underneath. Speaking of Colorado, by the way, did you, Seth, did you ever go through your NFL career without bothering to watch film on any of the opponents or anything?

[Seth Payne]

No, no, no, no. Nor in college either. Like, that was. That's one of the first big shocks to your system when you get to college is the first time you're in a film session. You're like, my God, like, how much longer are we going to do this? Why is Coach talking about the same play for. For 10 minutes in a row?

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah. Well, here was Julian Lewis of Colorado, Coach Prime's team, there, talking about how they didn't watch film on defenses last year.

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The most since last year to now

my play, I'm actually looking at the defenses now.

[Seth Payne]

Last year wasn't really looking at defense

[Luke Morrow]

as much as kind of high school free ball and just out there playing football. But, you know, it's a lot bigger than that now, so should be fine.

[Seth Payne]

Which Colorado fans weren't all that happy about that, that they were just out there free balling. Speaking of depends, they were free ball. And I. I get. I could go either way on this, because especially when you're playing, it's in college and in high school, there are times where it really is more about. Especially with a young quarterback getting them. Getting them to Understand and play and execute the scheme. And realistically, a lot of good colleges are just, they're getting guys wide open based on the play call and they're getting so much direction from the sideline that you can make the argument, yeah, that for him that year they just needed to get him to be able to execute the offense and then you take a next step and now it's with a different offensive coordinator and now he can be a little bit more advanced. But I think it probably, probably does speak to a little bit of just, man, what a big drop off it was for Colorado as they adjusted to not having, you know, a couple of the best college football players in the country on their team, making things happen.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe a big part of the reason why they went 1 and 8 in the conference last year. By the way, Pat Shermer was the offensive coordinator. He's an NFL guy, so I am surprised that they operated like that. But.

[Seth Payne]

But that's where it is. I mean, the, you kind of got to do a triage on the situation. When you're looking at a team and when you've got young players and you're trying to install an offense or you're trying to get a young quarterback to come along. It said, okay, first and foremost, we got to get him to be able to execute the playbook and then you can worry about the higher level stuff later on. But it's not, it's not ideal.

[Luke Morrow]

Obviously on the text line somebody did say, Coach prime has publicly acknowledged. Acknowledged that he uses adult diapers because of his medical condition.

[Seth Payne]

So, yeah, that's a good, That's a strong move by. Depends on. That's a. I'm guessing it's hard to get genuine celebrity. Like you're not gonna get movie stars or anything to necessarily do that because they got to keep their cool factor as high as possible. Whereas Dion, Dion, whether, whether you love him or hate him, you have to acknowledge that he's got a cool factor. That's, that's pretty extreme. Yeah. And for him to do that. Yeah, I think it would make me more comfortable.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I would go in and I would say, what are you laughing at me? No, Dion, Dion. You know, Deion Sanders is. And the 16 year old girl working the register was like, no, I have no idea. And sir, no, I wasn't, I wasn't laughing at you. I was on my phone.

[Luke Morrow]

I'm gonna just start wearing them now, even though I don't need them because Dion's made it so cool.

[Seth Payne]

People claim that they'll do it in what, when they're watching sports or something. I can't imagine that it's actually comfortable sitting there on a wet diaper.

[Luke Morrow]

Not a chance. People will do it for Times Square for New Year's Eve because you just. You can't move. You want to get your spot, you got to get there early to go watch the ball. Dr. And people apparently will wear diapers. That's got to be the worst to walk around in a soggy diaper all night.

[Seth Payne]

I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna go out and buy some. Some Depends this afternoon.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah. Test.

[Seth Payne]

I'm gonna experiment with it to see what it's like to actually sit. Sit after you've soiled them the first time with a reasonable. With a reasonable amount of urine. I'm not gonna change my. I'm not gonna, like, you know, drink more fluids or anything.

[Luke Morrow]

It's. It's the circle of life. Jerry Seinfeld has that whole bit of, you know, your, your last birthdays are like your first birthdays.

[Seth Payne]

You know what I need to do? I don't think my wife. I'm gonna wear them for like a week.

[Luke Morrow]

Mm.

[Seth Payne]

And just. And go in them like, normally, like throughout the week.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Well, I'm gonna see if she notices or not.

[Luke Morrow]

That would be great then. That's a real campaign for Depends.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, I did. I wore these for a week and my wife didn't even notice.

[Luke Morrow]

No smell, no tell. Depends the Astros, by the way, ask

[Seth Payne]

why we've got a diaper Genie in the, in the pantry, but other than that, she's not going to have a clue.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, that's right. Well, we'll really put them to the test to see how good they are. The Astros lost last night eight to two. Spencer Getty got knocked around. He has an ERA of like, almost nine here in the last seven starts. Astros pitching has not been good. They've dropped the series to the Nationals. So I asked, you know, what's their biggest need at the deadline at this point? And you can let us know. 713-5724-610. Because still yesterday, Dana Brown, at least before that Arrogetti outing, is talking about, hey, we still. We're looking to add a. A left handed outfielder, which has been. That's been the, the company statement here for the last few months. But at this point, it seems like it's gotten so unshaky with this rotation that the Astros might need a pitcher more than anything else right now.

[Seth Payne]

I do. I think that if, if you're going to be aggressive with the trade deadline because it's a failure, if you're not a playoff team, etc. Etc. And all that like the, the biggest issue right now on this team, the thing that would make it impossible to actually win a seven game series, I think is that you just, you don't have enough pitchers to, to actually make it through. You might as well spot the other team two wins in a seven game series because at some point, whether it ends up being a Burroughs or an Arrogetti or Imai, like they're gonna, they're gonna have a couple of really horrendous performance performances. And that first and foremost, I don't even want to talk about, you know, pitching wins championships or anything. But I just like, that's the most glaring issue that they have. Despite having a really healthy win loss record since late May, they're, they're doing it while also having like start their starting rotation have about a 6 era that all of a sudden you flip that with just one guy, one guy brought from outside and maybe one Christian, Javier or something actually being a good performer. It completely flips how far you could actually go in the playoffs. And replacing Bryce Matthews with a left handed bat, I don't think it does nearly as much for you as a starting pitcher right now.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, I'm with you. It's, it's, it's become such a glaring weakness for this team. This series against the Nationals, statistically in some categories, the best offense in baseball. The three Astros starting pitchers, none of them made it through five innings, which then further taxed the bullpen. And that's eventually going to catch up to you as well. So a good starter is going to by domino effect, help out your bullpen here down the stretch. There's a bunch of names that we throw around. You got Hunter Brown, Peter Lambert, Spencer Arrighetti, Mike Burrows, Imai Christian, Javier, Lance McCullers, Junior Blanco, Wisniewski, this, this Triple A guy, Ethan peko, that's what, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 names 10 starting pitchers that we talk about for the Astros. But realistically, Seth, out of those 10, how many of them do you actually truly trust? Like say it's a playoff game today and the Astros have to pick a starter. How many of those 10 would you actually trust in a big game?

[Seth Payne]

That I really trust genuinely down in my soul trust as long as he keeps working his way back. Hunter Brown, right. And that's it. And I, and honestly, man, going to, if I, if I were to go backwards in time and just go, let's go, let's do some seven game series here. Like in the last seven games the Astros have allowed eight or more runs three times. Go to the seven games before that and they allow, they have, they allow five or more runs, four out of those seven games like that. And then they had a pretty good stretch. They had a good seven game stretch where they only allow one seven game run in a seven game or one seven run outing in seven games. And then you go to another, the next one, they allow eight runs, they allow nine runs, they allow seven runs in a seven game stretch. Like it's, they just, they absolutely have to address starting pitching first and foremost if they're actually going to make a real move that makes them into a different team. Dedication isn't born in the light of day. It's carved in the quiet hours before the world blinks awake. At Boar's Head, we rise with a mission to deliver craftsmanship worthy of your table. A slice of something special folded into every moment worth savoring because dedication means delivering only the very best floors head Committed to craft since 1905.

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[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, it's the biggest weakness. I mean the offense has holes, of course, the whole roster does. The offense is better than the starting rotation. Right now you need to address the biggest weakness pitching. And it's only getting worse. I'm with you. Of those 10 names, Hunter Brown's the only one I trust. I would like to trust Peter Lambert, but I'm still have this Cinderella concern of, you know, the other shoes going to drop and, and can we really count on him in a pennant race or in a playoff game? He's been really good all year, but we just haven't seen this from Lambert before this year. That it's tough to still buy in that this is just the new Peter Lambert now as opposed to. This has been a good stretch and he's eventually going to get figured out.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, the, I guess the one thing that saves us in the seven game series is if you have a bullpen day in there somewhere. That's. I feel way better about a bullpen day than any than most of the starting pitchers. The only problem with that is that look, you've also got these starters that are only going, they're all going this last three week. These last three games, not a single one of them made it through five full innings. That you, you can't even rely on having a bullpen day if your relievers are going to be taxed that heavily.

[Luke Morrow]

For sure. Yeah, that's a good question too. Game one, Hunter Brown starting in a seven game series. Game two, I assume Peter Lambert. Game three, who knows? I don't know. Spencer Arrighetti, I mean he's been terrible for about six weeks now. Do you go with Imai and at least get three innings out of him?

[Seth Payne]

You can't even piggyback Imai because it's just, he at least does us the honor of just sucking right off the bat usually and then quitting. Yeah, I know Josh Miller pulls him. He pulled. I, it's that this is starting to bother me. It is. All right, I get it. He's a rookie and all of that. But man, everybody else, everybody else out there, like, they take their medicine and they at least try to go five innings or so. With Imai, it's, oh, he's having a hard day and you guys, he's having a hard time adjusting to the, you know, what time we eat dinner and everything. So let's just be sure we get out there and get him off the mound before it gets too late and in it. And I'm starting to, I'm trying to be a good teammate, but I'm starting to grumble. I'm starting to, I'm starting to be a little bit of a bad presence in the clubhouse.

[Luke Morrow]

Imai reminds me of my iPhone where you spent a lot of money on it and my iPhone. It's great. It can do a lot of good things. You know, like when his, when his breaking stuff is on, like, oh, you could see the potential there. But the longer you have the phone, the worse your battery gets. And even though it says it's 100%, by lunchtime, it's already dying. And it's similar where by the third inning, like, oh, we already got to go to the bullpen. We didn't get the. Usually you expect five to six innings out of your starting pitcher. You can't get there. Usually I expect my iPhone to make it through the day, but because my battery is so shot after only two years, it's like, I just. I gotta keep charging this thing. It can't last long enough.

[Seth Payne]

What are you. What are you rocking with there on your iPhone? What version do you have?

[Luke Morrow]

A good question.

[Seth Payne]

My battery has been astoundingly healthy, and it's really starting to annoy me. I'd like to. I try not to always replace my phone because I feel like I just. I should be more mature than that now that I need a new iPhone all the time. I've got. I'm on an iPhone 13 still, and my battery life is pristine. And I use my phone a lot.

[Luke Morrow]

I'm on a 15. IPhone 15. And let me.

[Seth Payne]

You're living West U and you got an iPhone 15 pimping. You're just always flaunting all this stuff.

[Luke Morrow]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Seth Payne]

What's the latest version?

[Luke Morrow]

I have no idea. I don't keep up because I'm with you. Like, I've had this for two and a half years. I never buy the new phone I spend. My phone bill is $41 a month. I love this phone. But my battery health. Let's see, where is it? Battery health. Right now, my maximum capacity is 81%. So even though my phone will say it's 100% charge, my battery, really, at its best, is only 81%.

[Seth Payne]

This battery shot because I am turning in an old man. I don't know how to check my battery life right this moment. But no, I think this thing has been an absolute hoss. My. Let's see. Well, I'm at 7% right now. How do I find out what my battery go to?

[Luke Morrow]

Settings battery health and then go to battery. Yeah, battery health.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, my maximum capacity is only 81%.

[Luke Morrow]

Ah, same with mine.

[Seth Payne]

That's gonna hurt me on my trade in, isn't it?

[Luke Morrow]

But that's pretty good because you have a 12, I have a 15. And yet I have a 13.

[Seth Payne]

I have three. I'm not a peasant. Oh, got a 13.

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[Luke Morrow]

You have a 13, I have a 15. We're both at 81%, so I got

[Seth Payne]

a notification that one of my apps isn't going to be able to work with the iPhone 13 anymore. Yeah, I'm going to have to upgrade here at some point.

[Luke Morrow]

That's the worst I hold on to. Look, growing up we had the same box TV in our living room for literally like 40 years. And so that trickled down to me. I have a nine year old car, I have this phone, my laptop I'm working off of right now is who knows how many years, same idea. It's like too old. I can't update certain things on it. I hold on to everything until it stops working and then I'll replace it.

[Seth Payne]

It's the one, you know what, honestly, where people tell you about there's a difference between getting rich and staying rich. And they're not always the same skill set. If you ever start to worry that you're, you know, you're just being too consumeristic or anything, but you also want to be rich, Go through River Oaks every now and then and see some of the people in there that are driving like a really well kept up 25 year old Mercedes. You know, they don't just, they're not just buying a new car every year or anything. And they'll, they'll buy nice things, but they don't, they don't buy things just to buy things.

[Luke Morrow]

Exactly.

[Seth Payne]

You know that there's a certain, they, there's a certain level of restraint.

[Luke Morrow]

Yeah, that's what Jeff Bezos has said. That's the worst investment is a new car he has driven. I don't know about now, but he used to drive like a 25 year old car.

[Seth Payne]

I've had dicey experience with that because I usually try to do the, the first car I ever bought my stepfather, after I got my signing bonus in the NFL, he, he gave me the advice of, you know, buying a slightly used car is your best bang for your buck. And I did. But the problem is every time I buy a lightly used car and it's an awesome deal and everything in the carfax checks out and all of that, there's just that one little thing that pops up that you're like, ah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have this issue with a brand new car or at least if I did, I would have known it and seen when it happened and everything. And I'm just never as comfortable as when I, I know I'm paying a premium for a brand new car, but that I like. I feel like any of the issues that it has are my issues. That I've either contributed to or I'm aware of them. I don't like. I don't like having that sprung on me with a, you know, with a used car.

[Luke Morrow]

That's a good point. That is the nice perk of a new car. You don't have to worry about all these issues. I got plenty of stories of that coming up. Who will be the Texans Breakout Player of the Year? We'll get to that next Payne and

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