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Seth Payne
We coming to eighth time. Let's get the work in man. Let go.
Sean Pendergast
Great day. Great day. Oh, give me some juice, baby. Oh yeah.
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Sean Pendergast
Hey, what's happening everybody? Happy Monday to all of you. Nice to be with you. Appreciate you getting up with us. Woo. We are with you till 10:00am this morning. Yeah.
Seth Payne
Trade deadlines coming up.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah. Trade deadline's coming up. Yeah. I'm Sean Pendergast. He is Seth Payne. Cole Thompson in with us again today. So looking forward to four hours of good chatter with you guys here. Normally on if this were a weekday, for example tomorrow. Yeah, we've got people that are that have eyes on the Astros game the night before. So when we come in we normally bump in with Todd Callis's final call of game the night before. And if we were to do that today, I would imagine it'd be something of like, well the Astros lose again. They get swept coming out of the break and blummer they've fallen below that plateau they were at at 5 games under 507 games these lofty purchase.
Seth Payne
You know what the altitude was getting to me, Sean, it's nice to be back down below sea level right down there in Death Valley.
Sean Pendergast
You felt a little fatigued when they were only three games under.500.
Seth Payne
It's already, it's almost. It's like, it's. This whole season has felt like you're, you're at a school play, you know where you like it's going to suck
Cole Thompson
mission at this point.
Seth Payne
What's that?
Cole Thompson
Are we at intermission at this point?
Seth Payne
No. Yeah, I guess so. The intermission would be like the. And you're wondering like, I wonder if my kid will know that I don't go back in there.
Cole Thompson
Or are we at the start of the second act where we heard that first song? It's like, you know what? This ain't worth it.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, this was, this was the first song this week of the second act.
Seth Payne
Like, I guess, I guess they're trying. Some of these kids didn't learn their lines. Yiner. Diaz. Yiner would be the kid in the school play that just flat out is botching all the lines and everything. Yeah, there's just, there's very few guys to lift them up, you know.
Sean Pendergast
Yes, it's.
Seth Payne
They're in a Gwyneth Paltrow in the bunch.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, they, they are. They're in a bad way right now, man. And the, you know, the injuries hit again this weekend with Pena and not like Christian Walker is any great shakes right now or anything like that, but he's still better than probably whatever you got backing him up.
Seth Payne
Yeah, it's.
Sean Pendergast
It's a bad time right now. And, and so, so Happy Monday, everybody.
Seth Payne
Don't worry. It's a, it's a five game series, right? Is.
Cole Thompson
It.
Seth Payne
Is. Yeah. We got more of this.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah. Yep, yep. We got the Marlins coming to town tonight. So I. Oh, okay.
Seth Payne
Nevermind.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, so I said. So I said this. I said this on Saturday after the game. I was at the game on Friday, so that was fun. They were up 2 to 1 for most of the day and Peter Lambert had another great game pitching. And then Brian King, who's no longer on the team, came in and did what he does, did what he's been doing the last five or six times he's come out there. He spit the bit. And then on Saturday, to me, to me on Saturday, these were plays that probably don't lose the game for them in any way. Like they, like, they don't show up on the box score. They're, they're, you know, ultimately they're plays that probably wouldn't have been made. I think neither of the things I'm going to bring up are things that decided the game, but they're things where you just watch a team operate and you go, this is a team that feels like the manager does not have the ear or the pulse of his team at all right now. Yeah, and it was in the 10th inning with the. With the. No, no. In the. Yeah, in the 10th inning with the. Let me back up. It was the 11th inning where the Orioles scored the go ahead run on the little squibber to second base to Altuve.
Cole Thompson
Right?
Sean Pendergast
And instead of covering home with the runner, Gunner Henderson was running on. Jump was running from second base. He didn't stop.
Cole Thompson
Right.
Sean Pendergast
Yiner Diaz starts strolling back to the dugout like it's the end of the inning and. And there's nobody covering home now. Gunner Henderson probably scores anyway on that play. But cover home.
Seth Payne
It's the. No, it's just a complete lackadaisical sense, like unawareness, lack of urgency. Just completely out to lunch on that cover home. Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
And then this. This decided nothing with the game. But it's one of those things where it's like this. This team just is not in sync with their manager or self. Awareness.
Seth Payne
Yeah, I know where you're going.
Sean Pendergast
Zach Desenzo striking out to end the game. The ball bounces off the catcher and rolls 10ft to the side. I saying he would have beat it out to first base, but you're Zach decenzo.
Seth Payne
He didn't even look.
Sean Pendergast
No, he.
Seth Payne
Yelling at him.
Sean Pendergast
He walkered it.
Seth Payne
He just. Yes, he moped his way towards the dugout as the ball. As the catcher is scrambling to get the ball. It could have. He would have made it difficult.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah.
Seth Payne
The catcher would have had to make a decision on where to throw it. Like, whether to hit him. Throw the ball, whatever. Like, it just.
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Seth Payne
But it was nowhere in his brain.
Sean Pendergast
You're Zach disenzo, man.
Seth Payne
You're right. Like, this is. And that's. That's a sequence. Those two plays right there are the ones where he felt like, who the hell are these guys? Who's this team?
Sean Pendergast
Like, who's running this thing?
Cole Thompson
Think about this, though, for a second. Zach decenzo could actually have playing time now because Christian Walker left in the fourth inning with an oblique injury. So he has first base reps. Who wants to see you go out there and just pull a Christian Walker when you're Zach freaking Desenzo?
Sean Pendergast
He is. Well, if he's gonna be. If you're gonna be playing first base. And you're replacing Christian Walker. You may go full Walker. I say yeah as well.
Seth Payne
It's. Honestly, it's like all the. I was thinking about this last night. All of these, like all the old school complaints and the grudge that you start to feel against a team, just. I will give, I'll throw out all the cliches about this baseball team. Yes. They don't want it enough. These guys don't care.
Cole Thompson
I don't know.
Seth Payne
It's like, who the hell are these guys? When you compare these guys to some of the golden era Astros, you do you realize that it's over time, year after year? All right? We bring in these guys who are not only disappointments on the baseball field, but. But also just flat out, they're not cut from the same cloth. Like, and this is, which is odd because I thought we were getting away from analytics and back to the old blood and guts and everything. These guys, I don't need analytics to tell you that these guys don't have the same sense of urgency. I just play hard, know what the hell you're doing. It's ridiculous.
Sean Pendergast
Well, this is, this is how, you know, couple of things here. One, after, after that debacle on Saturday, I tweeted after the debacle, I'm like, we're one more bad loss away from the lead. Topic being is, should Joe Espada be the manager of this team? Not at the end of the year, like now. Like, should he be the manager of this baseball team? You're running out of ways. If you're Jim Crane who's going to try to hold on to the window for as long as he can, you're running out of ways to light a spark under this.
Seth Payne
Hey, great, they got a bunch of high draft picks for the first time in forever. Please don't, please don't trade them.
Sean Pendergast
No, yeah, exactly, exactly.
Seth Payne
Like, please, please. Let's just, let's let's recognize for what it is that you're running on fumes here. And there's nothing about this baseball team right now that makes you feel like they've actually got the ability to do anything impressive.
Sean Pendergast
No, no. And that's, and real quick, the, the, the part two, they've gotten off to bad starts in all three of Joe spotted seasons here. The difference here is that by the time they're 101 games in. By the time 101 games had rolled around the previous two Joe Espada seasons, they had, they had flipped the script on the season, you know, his first season, they got off to a horrible start. They were 12 and 24 by the time they were 101 games in right after the All Star break. They're 52 and 49. They're above.500. Sure, they're playing good baseball. Last season they started off 17 and 18. They were 59 and 42. By this time last year they were. I went and did the numbers yesterday. That sweep of the Dodgers last year over 4th of July weekend. They were 20 games above.500 after that sweep. They were 55 and 35 after that sweep of the Dodgers. They are 79 and 94 since then. Since that sweep of the Dodgers. So my point with all this is the previous two seasons, yeah, they've gotten off to bad starts, but they've turned it around by the time they get to that hundred game mark. They're, they're going the wrong way this time.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
Like there's nothing, there's no, there's. And they finish. It's not like they finish with 95 wins and either they, they, they, they had to do that to finish with 88 and 87 wins in those season.
Seth Payne
And the, I mean everything about the way they've handled it despite all of the injuries, if you just look at the pitching alone, I mean, what do you do if you're Dana Brown and you're talking to Jim Crane about these six guys plus Peter Lambert that you, that you, that you added to the roster this year?
Cole Thompson
Well, thank God he added Peter Lambert
Seth Payne
at this point, which is his least heralded one.
Cole Thompson
Right.
Seth Payne
Remember, Spencer Araghetti wasn't good enough to make the opening day roster for this baseball team because you had, you had the Mike Burroughs of this world and the Ryan Weiss that you couldn't doubt. How. Well, there's no place for Spencer Ericetti on this baseball team.
Cole Thompson
Well, you DFA'd Peter Lambert and thankfully he took the assignment or else he could be pitching elsewhere, right?
Seth Payne
Yeah, that was the one. Exactly. 100%. The guys. He brought in six. Dan Brown brings in six major league pitchers and they DFA, Peter Lambert, Spencer Araghetti not good enough to be a part of this rotation at the beginning of the season. What the hell are you guys doing? What are you even doing? You can't even evaluate your own guys. Yeah, no, you, they're going to, they're going to. At the trade deadline, I swear he's going to trade away 10 prospects for three mediocre pitchers and they're going to come in and suck.
Cole Thompson
And you already have the 30th ranked bunch farm system in baseball.
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Cole Thompson
Or at best on most, I think baseball America has the highest. They're 27.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Cole Thompson
So you're still a bottom three farm system and you're trading away assets when, let's be real, the window of being the legit contender in the American League is closed.
Seth Payne
It also, it feels so much. You know what it feels like this baseball team is right now? It feels like a bunch of little spoiled brat, like prep school kids who's. Because, because they're okay.
Sean Pendergast
You got me intrigued.
Seth Payne
Because they' daddy. Well, because their daddies are rich and they wear this blazer that has an Astros logo on it and they feel like I'm a Houston Astro. We always win baseball.
Cole Thompson
So they're walking around and letters.
Seth Payne
They're imposters. Yeah, they're like. Yeah, they all, they're all wearing the logo of a bunch of like, that represents a bunch of guys who did things completely differently from the front office down to the actual players on the field. And like, look, Altuve is not the guy who's going to kind of demand that the young guys play up to a certain level. He leads by example and all of that. But the guys who are just gritty, grimy, nasty ballplayers like George Springer or Alex Bregman, they're. They're gone. They're not nowhere to be seen. And when I say they're gone, I don't just mean that in body. The spirit of those guys and the way they play baseball out there is just not nearly the same.
Sean Pendergast
It's a great, It's a great observation. Sorry, Seth. When you. I had PTSD when you were. When you were talking about. What does Dana Brown say when he goes into Sit down with Jim Crane and talk about the six pictures that he picked up.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
Because I just got. I got back to thinking. I'm like, I remember that feeling when I was running sales for an entire company and my forecast sucked for the month.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
And you go into your staff meeting with the CEO like, so, Sean, how the numbers looking for this month? And you know, the numbers are bad and you're just trying to come up with something that makes them feel good.
Seth Payne
A bunch of great leads.
Sean Pendergast
I don't know.
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Sean Pendergast
No, the pipeline.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
There's always a pipeline. Now, not as much coming in as we were hoping this month, but the pipeline.
Cole Thompson
We checked in on these groups.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been in touch. We've got a lot of meetings.
Seth Payne
Let me show you all the people I've called.
Cole Thompson
There was mutual interest on both sides.
Sean Pendergast
We got. We got a lot of meetings set up. Yeah. Because Rodri Munoz, Ryan Weiss, Nate Pearson, in my mind, these all guy. These guys all represent deals that I lost back in the day. They're not with the team anymore.
Cole Thompson
They.
Sean Pendergast
These are the six. The six major league pickups that Dana Brown made. And let me. Let me caveat with Dana. I don't think Dana Brown's going to make it out of this. I don't think Dana Brown was playing with the. I think the deck was stacked against him a little bit in taking this job. Like he inherited some, you know, Jose Abreu and the Javier contract and some other things. Still, that's no excuse for your six pickups, three of them being DFA by the All Star break or shortly after in the case of Nate Pearson. And then the other three, Tatsuya Imai has been, I'll be kind up and down this year. He's got a six era. Mike Burroughs has been a disaster. And then Kai Way Tang was fine as a reliever but stunk as a starter.
Cole Thompson
Right.
Sean Pendergast
Those are your six.
Seth Payne
Oh, the other one about Yiner yesterday, since we were on Yiner a little bit, was just throwing when Alonzo. Hunter Brown doesn't hold. Alonzo on. Alonzo steals second. There's no chance of making the play. Yiner throws, the second run, scores.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah.
Cole Thompson
Double steal.
Seth Payne
Yeah. The double steal. Yeah. Like. And just the brain dead. Brain dead stuff.
Cole Thompson
Yes.
Seth Payne
And that's where you wonder, okay, exactly what some of that stuff that happens. I like Espada. I don't. You know me, Sean, I don't need managers or coaches to be guys who are big yellers and screamers, because that's not what. That's. There are plenty of guys who hold people to a really high standard without having to do it that way. But I don't sense that anywhere on the team from anybody. It just. It's ridiculous.
Sean Pendergast
Would this be happening onto Dusty Baker's watch?
Seth Payne
Right, Right.
Sean Pendergast
And I know the Dusty supporters, and I like Dusty.
Cole Thompson
He was good manager.
Seth Payne
Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah.
Cole Thompson
He won the World Series title. You gotta take that.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah. No. Yeah. I'm not here to adjudicate Dusty's tenure. Dusty's a good manager. There's no doubt there. There's. I'm sure there's people hearing us say that going, told you. Told you. Dusty wasn't as bad as we thought.
Seth Payne
This is the difference, though, too. Is that Dusty look, yeah, obviously, Dusty came into a much better situation than Espada and Dana Brown have come into. But I think that the difference was, though, too, that there were a lot of. Just. There was a lot of player leadership. And by leadership, I mean just a certain standard. Remember when AJ Hinch had to talk to a Kyle Tucker about having to have more. Having more of a sense of urgency because he wasn't the same as those other guys? And that's what we get. You could feel that the entire time Kyle Tucker was here. That's why I wasn't as emotionally upset over him as other guys, because he just wasn't cut from the same cloth. And these guys, it feels like they're trying to get as many guys who are more like, in the mold of Kyle Tucker's lackadaisical attitude out there than there are. Than there are the George Springers of the world.
Cole Thompson
Would you guys be mad at this comp on the text line we have Spotter reminds me of. David Cully only wants to talk about the positives.
Sean Pendergast
I think there are elements to that comparison, but not entirely middle. Yeah. I don't think David Cully was completely.
Seth Payne
David Cully just didn't know. I mean, that was. There were certain basic things about even being a coordinator that he didn't understand. Yeah.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah. And I think Espada. Like Espada. I think. I think there. There are definite strategic things I disagree with with him. I think he's way too old school in some of the things that he does.
Seth Payne
He's in love with the small ball.
Sean Pendergast
Small ball and bunting. And got a pinch run for good hitters because this guy's one mile an hour, you know, like 2% faster than this Guy at the end of game.
Seth Payne
Really the move that ended up probably helping getting him the job was in the playoffs when he pinch hit John Singleton. Honestly wasn't. It's not like we were all sitting there like, oh, thank God, Singleton's in now.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, Singleton.
Seth Payne
Yeah. Yeah. And it was. But it was. He's in love with that type of stuff.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah.
Seth Payne
The small ball maneuvering at the end of games now it's. I always remind. I try to give him a little bit of a break because it's not like he's dealing. There aren't just power hitters who abound on this lineup that are. That you should be banking on. But even when Christian Walker was hitting really well, he was pinch running Christian Walker. Now it makes more sense. Christian Walker can't do anything.
Sean Pendergast
He pinch. He pinch runs for Jordan Alvarez in close games. Yeah, he did that. He was one hitter away from your. A pinch hitter for Jordan or a pinch runner for Jordan a couple innings prior? In a game earlier this year, One batter away from that spot in the lineup. Coming up, the Astros lost the game. One hitter before that. But I. Yeah, that's.
Cole Thompson
I.
Sean Pendergast
So there's a.
Seth Payne
There.
Sean Pendergast
There are a lot of philosophical things with Joe Espada that I disagree with. I don't think he's unfit to be a manager, though. Like, David Cully was unfit to be a head coach in the NFL. Like, he just didn't understand the nuances of decision making in games.
Seth Payne
My favorite David Colley moment.
Sean Pendergast
He was way more hilarious in press conferences.
Seth Payne
Well, at the very end of the season when he was on Texans All Access, I remember. Remember him? You know, John or Mark had asked a question about, like, hey, what's something you learned this year? And he said it like it was the most novel concept in the world. This is a guy who's been in the NFL for decades. You know, sometimes. You know, what I realized is sometimes if you just go up tempo a little bit, it can kind of get the offense going, really. But the way he said it, too, it was like he'd never even heard of the concept before. It wasn't because that's. People always have that complaint, like, why don't you guys go up tempo more? And usually there's reasons why you don't. The reason usually isn't that, like, the coordinator just. The coach didn't even think of it.
Cole Thompson
Right.
Seth Payne
Like, oh, I didn't even know that was an idea.
Sean Pendergast
I didn't know it was available to me.
Cole Thompson
Did you hear this new concept? It's called Two minute drill.
Seth Payne
Maybe we should try this.
Sean Pendergast
Yeah, try it. Okay. Text message. I knew you guys were going to crash out this morning, and y' all are not disappointing. Christian Walker has totally checked out at the end.
Seth Payne
I'm disgusted with myself. I might as well be Einer Diaz in knowing what the hell's going on with his baseball team. Because on Friday, I'm like, well, I can't remember what I said on Friday. I think you were happy. You were happy. That's right. I know. I'm so stupid because I had a few days off. I was well rested, and I was
Sean Pendergast
like, that's what I thought they would be. They've had a few days off. They're well rested.
Seth Payne
The only thing productive that came out of the weekend was Hunter Brown almost murdering Alonzo. Yeah, internal bleeding right now.
Sean Pendergast
He did not like that.
Seth Payne
He seems like a nice enough guy, but it was fun to watch a little bit of internal bleeding.
Sean Pendergast
All right, Baseball talk On Sports Radio 610 is presented by Xfinity. Score. The most reliable Wi Fi. One price, five years guaranteed. Xfinity. Imagine that. All right, we've got a countdown going on to training camp, which starts a week from Wednesday. So we started counting down last Thursday, 10 radio days until Texans training camp. We're on day number eight right now. We counted down last week. If you want to go back and listen to the questions. We're doing a question of the day for the Texans leading up to training camp. We've been doing it in this segment. Cole, what is our question for today?
Cole Thompson
Will the new Derek Barnett please stand up?
Sean Pendergast
Oh, good. I know this will be one Seth likes. This has to do with depth at the defensive end position. All right, good. All right, so we'll do that.
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Date: July 20, 2026
Hosts: Sean Pendergast & Seth Payne (with Cole Thompson)
Main Theme: The Astros’ disappointing sweep at the hands of the Orioles, exposing deeper issues of leadership, motivation, injuries, inept roster decisions, and whether change is needed at the managerial level.
The Payne & Pendergast crew returns on a frustrated Monday, unpacking the Houston Astros’ ugly weekend sweep by the Baltimore Orioles. With the team now slipping further below .500 and looking lost both on the field and in spirit, the guys dissect mounting evidence of a club that’s lost its identity—questioning leadership, player attitudes, front office moves, and especially the fit of manager Joe Espada. Is the Astros’ golden era truly over? Should the team reset instead of making more short-term moves? Hard-hitting opinions fly as Sean, Seth, and Cole dig into every aspect of the Astros’ malaise.
Timestamps: 01:39–03:06
Analogy for 2026’s Sadness: Seth likens watching the Astros to being stuck at a bad school play, where “you know it's going to suck” but hope things might turn around. Instead, every act (series) gets more disappointing.
Lack of Energy & Identity: Comparing current players unfavorably to past “golden era” Astros; the team lacks hunger, edge, and identity.
Timestamps: 03:52–06:13
Baffling Mistakes: Sean highlights two back-to-back mental breakdowns in extra innings:
Signs of a Team Without Direction:
Timestamps: 06:34–08:14
Old-School Critiques Resurface: Seth calls out the team’s “softness,” lamenting a roster full of players who “don’t want it enough.”
Front Office Flounders: Sean and Seth agree: with the window closing, make smart choices—don’t trade away precious prospects for short-term, mediocre help.
Timestamps: 08:14–09:24
Timestamps: 09:35–14:49
Timestamps: 12:00–12:59
Imposter Syndrome: Seth savages the lineup for feeling entitled to success based on past heroes’ achievements. “They’re all wearing the logo of a bunch of guys who did things completely differently... walking around in letters like imposters.”
Timestamps: 13:14–18:16
Timestamps: 16:34–17:53
Sean: Elements of the comp are fair, but Espada isn’t totally unfit like Culley; the real problem is his “old-school” obsession, especially for a team lacking talent.
Seth (15:50): “The difference was... there was a lot of player leadership. And by leadership, I mean just a certain standard.”
Timestamps: 19:59+
This episode crackles with frustration and sharp analysis, as the crew lays out a comprehensive case that the 2026 Astros are rudderless, underachieving, and possibly facing the end of their competitive window. No punches are pulled, with blame spread from the dugout to the front office and the players themselves. If you need a gut-check of where the Astros stand post-sweep—and what hard questions Houston should be asking—this is your cathartic listen.