Astros win 5-3 against the Marlins for their 2nd win in a row!

Summary

PAYNE & PENDERGAST PODCAST SUMMARY
Episode: Astros win 5-3 against the Marlins for their 2nd win in a row!
Date: July 22, 2026
Hosts: Seth Payne & Sean Pendergast
Podcast: Audacy / Sports Radio 610

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Main Theme/Purpose

This episode centers on the Houston Astros’ 5-3 win over the Miami Marlins—a second straight victory that’s fueling optimism about the team’s playoff potential. Hosts Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast break down the game’s biggest moments, the Astros’ trade deadline needs, club culture, and the wild AL West standings. The show then detours into LeBron James’ intriguing free agency rumors, before tackling Texans training camp questions and dissecting ESPN's high-profile layoffs.

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Astros-Marlins Game Breakdown

Key Game Discussion & Analysis

• Big Offense Sparked by Hustle (01:44, 06:20)

  • The turning point was Yordan Alvarez hustling to first base after a dropped third strike, keeping the inning alive.
  • “That hustle’s gonna pay off. A three-run homer and the Astros lead it 5-1.” – Jeff Blum (01:44)
  • Immediately after Alvarez’s hustle, Isaac Paredes hit the crucial three-run home run, effectively securing the win for Houston.

• Changing Optimism Since All-Star Break (02:22–04:17)

  • Both hosts admit they were discouraged after being swept in the first post-break series but have “undying devotion” in this team’s ability.
  • “Some people were down...but on paper, it was good enough to be a contender.” – Seth (03:28)
  • The debate: stand pat (trusting in returning healthy players) vs. making a couple of modest deadline additions.

• Potential Trade Deadline Deals (04:17–04:38)

  • Both favor minor moves (e.g., “cherry pick a left-handed outfield bat or a right-handed reliever”) over major shake-ups given the Astros’ depleted farm system.

• Standings Update & Wild AL West (05:00–06:17)

  • Astros currently three games behind in the division, four back in the Wild Card.
  • All AL West teams except the Angels have led the division at some point this season (05:28–06:14).

• Game’s Notable Sequences

  • Yordan Alvarez’s hustle inspires a playful discussion about player awareness and hustle (06:20–07:57).
    • “Don’t make the mistakes I’ve made.” – Sean, imagining veteran advice on running out a dropped third strike (06:43)
  • Triple Play Oddity (09:51–10:49)
    • Jose Altuve grounds into a rare triple play.
    • “Jose Altuve got tired of grounding into double plays, so he grounded into a triple play.” – Sean (09:51)
    • Nostalgic banter about when the Astros last hit into a triple play (10:54–11:22)
  • Bullpen remains “dicey”—Hader doesn’t “look like his classic, shut-down self,” but “it’s nice to burn those performances in a win.” (08:49)

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Astros’ Team Dynamics & Trade Outlook

Stand Pat or Add Pieces?

• Seth expresses comfort with the Astros standing pat if injured players return strong.
• Both hosts agree adding a “lefty bat in the outfield or a right-handed reliever” (for a non-top prospect) is ideal.
• Playful analogy: Surviving the season with spare parts is like being “thrown into the woods with a rubber knife.” (04:38)

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LeBron James Free Agency Rumors (12:07–18:49)

Miami Heat's Social Media Gaffe & Speculation

• The Miami Heat accidentally posted a scheduled “LeBron James introductory press conference” on their YouTube, then deleted it (12:07–13:23).
• Speculation: Either Miami is prepping contingency content or knows a decision/date is imminent (13:25).
• Discussion on how LeBron’s relationships with various front offices (Miami, Cleveland, Philly) and the “Pat Riley effect” could impact his decision (13:58–14:51).
• Betting odds have shifted throughout the summer, with Miami now leading but Cleveland was favored most of the time (15:01–16:34).
• Sean’s daily monitoring of Cleveland radio reveals the mood is ready for closure, not panic:
  • “If you’re waiting for someone to say yes to prom…eventually you move on and ask someone else.” – Ken (17:02)
• Family considerations and the diminishing emotional lure of Cleveland are discussed (17:20–18:07).

Rich Paul Factor

• LeBron’s agent, Rich Paul, could be orchestrating a larger client move scenario (20:58).

Notable Quote

“If LeBron truly did pick Miami and let them know, and then some intern posts this link…would that be enough for LeBron to change his mind?”
— Sean (21:22)

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Texans Training Camp – Tight End Room Deep Dive (24:31–32:35)

Question: "What’s the ideal tight end room for the Texans?"

• Most teams keep 3-4 tight ends.
• Dalton Schultz and 2nd-round pick Marlon Klein are roster locks.
• Foster Moreau has “more likely than not” inside track, but must show health & blocking.
• Cade Stover (versatile, developmental) and Brevin Jordan (dynamic, but injury-prone) battle for the fourth spot.
  • “If both look great in camp, Texans will have to decide what flavor they want.” (28:53)
• Predicts final group as: Dalton Schultz, Foster Moreau, Marlon Klein, Cade Stover; Brevin Jordan could be traded.

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Astros Headlines: Final Thoughts on the Game (35:09–38:38)

Lead-Off Home Run and Playoff Math

• Jeremy Peña’s leadoff “home run” (upon review) set the tone (35:09–35:56).
• A running joke about rooting for hitters ahead of Alvarez to NOT clear the bases (for Yordan’s Triple Crown chase)—causing playful irritation between the hosts.

“I was legitimately upset that Peña hit that grand slam…the very next pitch, Yordan could’ve had the chance!”
— Sean (37:05)

Imai’s Impressive Start

• Tatsuyama “Imai” delivered a strong outing, using more change-ups as the coaching staff advised (38:39).
  • “It’s never too late to mix in your changeup.” – Seth (38:52)
• Astros now seek a sweep.

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Other Notables

Texans Injury Concerns / Practice Notes (39:23)

• Nico Collins sat out minicamp at the team’s direction ("keeping him fresh").
• No major alarm (“I listen to the coaches, I listen to the GM. Yes, sir.” – Collins, 40:14)

ESPN Layoffs – Impact on Sports Media (40:19–43:27)

• Major ESPN firings: Carl Ravich, Cam Newton, Charles Davis, Bart Scott.
• Brief discussion on the growing importance of personal media platforms for analysts (e.g., Cam Newton’s response).
• Seth expresses personal relief that friends (Bucky Brooks, Greg Rosenthal) survived this round.

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Timestamp Guide to Key Segments

• Astros’ Paredes Home Run & Win Recap: 01:44
• Trade Deadline Outlook: 04:17, 04:47
• AL West Standings/Monthly Chaos: 05:00–06:14
• Alvarez's Hustle, Player Banter: 06:20–07:57
• Triple Play Sequence/History: 09:51–11:22
• LeBron/Heat YouTube Blunder: 12:07–13:23
• LeBron Odds/Free Agency Chess: 15:00–18:49, 20:44–21:59
• Texans Tight End Room Analysis: 24:31–32:35
• Peña’s Leadoff HR, Yordan Triple Crown Jokes: 35:09–37:14
• Imai’s Performance & Astros Pitching: 38:39
• Texans Injury & Contract Notes: 39:23–40:17
• ESPN Layoff Fallout: 40:19–43:27

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Tone & Memorable Moments

• Signature sharp analysis mixed with irreverent, comedic banter.
• Self-deprecating asides on their own fan pessimism/optimism swings.
• Authentic H-Town sports culture woven into every segment (“We the ones we’ve been waiting for!”).
• Candid callbacks to classic ‘only in Houston’ narratives—and plenty of inside jokes on baseball tradition, Houston media, and NFL draft quirks.

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This episode delivers both the emotional pulse and technical analysis of recent Astros play, up-to-the-minute sports rumors, and the looming start of Texans camp, all while connecting national sports news back to Houston fans.

Transcript

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Sports radio 610 presents Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast.

[C]

We coming to eighth time. Let's get to work in man. Let's go.

[B]

Great day.

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Great day.

[B]

Oh, give me some juice, Slammy. Oh yeah.

[C]

Let's do it. Gives Paredes a chance for an RBI here with two outs, first and third. Two outs and he hits the ball high in the air, deep to left field. And that hustle's gonna pay off. A three run homer and the Astros lead it five to one. Little bit of hust guy behind you just e socks one out of here. Love it. Isaac Paredes a three run bomb off the community leaderboard side and the Astros have a four run lead.

[B]

There you go, Todd Callis. Jeff Blum on the call Space City Home Network. The the Astros get another win. Well, two in a row last night.

[C]

There's one thing that's been consistent since the All Star break. It's our undying devotion towards our belief that this, this Astros team has what it Takes.

[B]

They got what it takes. They got the stuff.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Ever since the fact. Yes, yes, yes. Since the All Star break, you could, you could tune in at 6am and know for sure. The pain of Pendergast are saying this team needs to be a buyer.

[B]

They got to be a buyer. They got to go get some things. At the the break.

[C]

Some people were down. Some people after, you know, after getting swept in the first series out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was one of them.

[C]

Some people. No, so was I. I do that there is an element to, to this team where for one. Okay. Imai, as you would have said at the beginning of the season and you would say the first half of the season. All right. At some point, you know, maybe things will click for him and all of these differences that are giving him trouble. And last night it was him taking the advice of the coaching staff and mixing in a change up especially got as he got into the second and third time through the lineup. Okay, that's cool. Renell Blanco looked pretty damn good in his. In his first two home runs. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not being, I'm not being cute.

[C]

Yeah. No. But as far as his actual Stu. Yeah. And everything else. Yeah. Like that was a very promising debut and there is an element to me where I don't, you know, typically. Yes. If you're a team that's a contender, you got to make some moves at the trade deadline. You got to round out some of these things. I think that this team for where it is in its farm system. I'm. I'm content if they just stand pat and say, look, these guys coming back from the il am I figuring it out like we are the ones we've been waiting for and that it just. You got to find some balance between being stupidly aggressive and just flat out saying, look, we the first half of the season we didn't really have a lot of the guys that we thought we're going to have or we had guys who are underperforming. But on paper it was good enough to be a contender and or at least somebody that can make a playoff hang around.

[B]

Yeah. If they can cherry pick a left handed bat in the outfield or they could cherry pick a right handed reliever for a prospect that isn't somebody you view as, you know, even close to game changing. I'm totally cool with that.

[C]

Sean Lucas, Spence and Bennett Sousa are the, the only things we need that. Yeah. Those are the based on.

[B]

It's like getting thrown into the woods and you get handed this bag of Weapons. And you're like, there's like a rubber knife in there. I got to defend myself with this.

[C]

All right, You've got to. You got to MacGyver your way through to this.

[B]

You do. That's what they're going to have to do. They're going to have to. MacGyver. So right now, as of as I went to bed last night, I got to see what it is as I awoke this morning. The standings can be different when you go to bed than when you awake in the morning, I've learned.

[C]

Because the west coast stubbornly clings to their time zones.

[B]

They don't start their games the same

[C]

time what China does. One time zone for the entire nation. That's right. Hawaii. Deal with it.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. You, too. Alaska. Sit up. All right. The Astros, three games back in the division. That feels good. Four games back in the wild card. As we awake this morning. That's the. That is the as you awoke. Standings update brought to you by.

[C]

I can't remember. I watched Dan Listen last night. I think so. I can't remember if it was Todd Callis or Robert Ford who was pointing out that on the first of the month, for each month this year, a different team in the division has been leading the division. It's been. Everybody except the Angels has shared the. Has had the lead at some point at the. On the. Of the month in the division, in the division. Yeah, it was the Astros once. It was the Rangers once. It was the A's once.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

And I think it was the Mariners once. Yeah. April, May, June, July.

[B]

So at one point, but I don't remember that April.

[C]

The Astros had the lead on April 1st.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, that was back when they were good.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yeah, they were.

[C]

They.

[B]

They had split with the Angels. They. They swept the Red Sox back in the day. Yeah, those are good times.

[C]

March ever.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. Those were good times.

[C]

So, yeah, everybody except the Angels, 5,

[B]

3 last night, they beat the Marlins. The two big things that had people talking. The first one we heard, which was the Parettus home run, but not so much the Paredes home run, but the at bat right before it. Jordan Alvarez beating out a stray strikeout that rolled away from the catcher and hustling his ass down the line.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

He.

[C]

Maybe. Maybe Zach disenzo, you know, took. Took young Yordan under his arm and said, hey, listen, don't make the mistakes I've made.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know, maybe. Hey, listen, young Yordon, this is the

[B]

thing through a Translator.

[C]

I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but when the catcher drops the third strike, you can run to first.

[B]

You can get on base.

[C]

Disenzo didn't know Jesenzo when he, when he just stood there and pouted this weekend. He didn't realize and he just stood there.

[B]

It's a good example of something good coming out of something bad.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, everybody learned from Zach Zenzo's mistake.

[C]

Jordan will make something of himself now.

[B]

Getting down the line fast was.

[C]

Yeah, well, I really know. That's the thing about Jordan. He is fast. Like, it's, it's.

[B]

I just don't want him running.

[C]

He's. You know what Yordon is? Yordon's the equivalent of a white quarterback who can run. Everybody has to be reminded at points like, hey, well, he can run. You know, Romo, Romo acts like he's. Promo's such a throwback in that a. There was a time when guys sounded drunk all the time when they were broadcasting and baby. Yeah. Romo is the guy who will keep reminding the audience that this white quarterback can run. Remember the. The Jaguars versus the Bills? It was like, yeah, thanks for the reminder that Josh Allen can run, quarterback. Thanks, Romo. Really.

[B]

That guy. That had to be overload for him because Trevor Lawrence can run too.

[C]

He's got so little. He's got, he's got very little melanin. Are you sure?

[B]

That's.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

You realize you haven't watched any of their games this year, Tony. Yeah.

[C]

You're down to the red zone here. And Trevor Lawrence, I think he can run.

[B]

So that, that was, that was cool. I mean. And it happened with two outs, so it kept the inning going. And it left. Let's play it again. I want to listen to the Esac Paredes home run again.

[C]

Gives Paredes a chance for an RBI here with two outs, first and third. Two outs and he hits the ball high in the air, deep to left field. And that hustle's gonna pay off a three run homer.

[B]

That's good. We don't need all the puns and everything else. I just wanted to hear the home run again. Yeah. So Paredes with the big knock, three run homer and got a little dicey blue ball, came in and made it interesting. Yeah, they made. They made these last couple games a little too interesting. The bullpen. But. But yeah, it was.

[C]

It's been nice. I like Hater. Doesn't look like his classic, you know, shut down self, but I'm Okay. Because I like burning those. Burn those performances on when it's also a victory.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So you're like, okay, you're gonna have a few of those, you know, dicey moments. And somebody brought this up to me yesterday. I don't think he wants me to say who he is. Paredes. Pray this in the field at times this year looks like, man, maybe if you were like 10 pounds lighter, he would have made that play. And I kind of. I've always with guys who are. Some hitters just need a little bit of extra heft to be at their best.

[B]

I think that's his optimal body type, man.

[C]

Yeah. I think you can't. You lose a little weight and you're gonna sacrifice something at the plate.

[B]

Yeah. We're not all built the same.

[C]

I know lots of skinny, wiry guys are really good power hitters, but still just everybody's got their own body type.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But he also made this point, which is that that. That little bit extra pudginess might be why Priddis seems like he's 35 years old.

[B]

Definitely.

[C]

Even though he's actually like 18.

[B]

Definitely. He's got an older face, too. Everything about him screams 35 years old.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Paredes. The other thing that happened last night in the eighth inning. Jose Altuve. Jose Altuve. I saw somebody make this joke. Jose Altuve got tired of grounding into double plays, so he grounded into a triple play. Runners on first and second, nobody out. Up comes Jose Altuve,

[C]

rounds this one to third. They might have a chance to turn three and they are going to hit. Triple play on Jose Altube. Grounds the ball right to the Marlins. Turn a triple play on Altuba. We're good.

[B]

Byron. We. That's hilarious. Blum. Jeff Blum's awesome.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The. The home run calls. There's some times where it feels like it's really getting, you know, like he's really trying to pigeonhole something in there. That's hilarious.

[C]

Yeah. Just.

[B]

Oh, my.

[C]

I don't. That's another one. I like seeing that in the victory. It's fun to watch a triple play. There's like an artistry to it, you know, game recognized game and so forth. Yeah.

[B]

Saltuve. He's no Kizzy.

[C]

Would I say no Kizzy there, Brian Byron. Probably not. Yeah, you could.

[B]

No, I think so. Because you're being serious about something. Because they said on ChatGPT yesterday that it's also sort of a synonym for I'm dead serious.

[C]

Oh, no. Kizzy.

[B]

Yeah, Kizzy. Yeah. Yeah. Altuve hit into that triple play, but I'm cool with it. No, Kizzy, we can't do that. I just did. Do you know the last time the Astros hit into a triple play?

[C]

Oh, yeah, it was. It was 2000. It was 2021.

[B]

2019.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

2019, May 20th. I didn't know if you'd seen it or not. May 22nd, 2019.

[C]

No, I just. I was throwing it out there in case I nailed it.

[B]

Yeah,

[C]

I totally remember.

[B]

2019, May 22nd. You would have had to sit and guess for a while as to who it was.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Jake Marisnik. Oh, Jake Marisnik came into a triple play.

[C]

I'm glad that he put the ball in play.

[B]

Good for you, Jake. Yeah, that's why it would have been hard to guess. Yeah. Prior to that, it was 2018.

[C]

Evan Gaddis, when you standardize it for.

[B]

Did you so the Ashes.

[C]

Well, that was one. There's still. You know what? It's more impressive now without the shift. So there's still a shift back then. So with no shift, a triple play is even more impressive.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The circumstances have to be just right.

[B]

You gotta. You gotta ground it if it's gonna be one. Unless it's one of those crazy ones where somebody lines out this guy's off a second and this and that. But that was a classic textbook triple play last night. Heart smashed. A third guy doesn't have to move, he just steps on the bag and it's basically a double play with an out of the first out added on to it. Apparently, last night, shifting gears here, the Miami Heat put out a tweet on their social media. Or they posted a link, I think on their YouTube. Yeah, that's what it was. They posted a link on their YouTube. A link. A future link to a LeBron James introductory press conference. Oh, they now they quickly took. I'm looking at Legion hoops on Twitter, Fans discover, and they posted a video like one of those screen grab videos of somebody pulling up the Heat YouTube account, and they're, you know, kind of swiping through and things like that. Fans discovered the Miami Heat posted a scheduled live stream titled LeBron James introductory press conference slated for July 27 on YouTube, which would be Monday. Okay, so that would be next Monday. It was quickly deleted. Miami has since responded saying it was a mistake from their social media team. In preparation. In preparation for a potential.

[C]

Right. That's the thing, though. So at the very least, let's get

[B]

out in front of this. They put a link to the introductory presser on a Specific date.

[C]

On a specific date. So at the very least. At the very, very least, let's say that LeBron hasn't actually made his decision. There might be some machinations going on where that maybe they've. Maybe rich Paul and LeBron James have informed some people that. That they are going to make a decision by that date.

[B]

Definitely they have.

[C]

So, like, maybe some teams are getting ahead of it and just saying, okay, just in case. Yeah.

[B]

That. That's what Miami hopes. You believe, I think.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I. And who knows if he's actually made a decision and talked that. The other thing, the thing you got to keep in mind with Miami, as opposed to Cleveland, where I know he's played before, but he doesn't have a relationship necessarily with this front office or Philly. Is the other team that's believed to be in the running where he's got really. No. That I can think of any existing relationships there with the front office in Philly. Miami Heat is Pat Riley.

[C]

Pat Riley. Well, and it's interesting because the stories back then were that and the same head coach, LeBron. Yeah, that LeBron, you got a little. He chafed a little bit under how tight a ship that Pat Riley ran. And I wonder if it's one of those things where as you get older, it's kind of like when you realize, like, oh, now I know why my dad was such a jerk back.

[B]

Could he use that discipline?

[C]

Yeah. Now that I've got my own children. Yeah. Now that LeBron's had his own basketball children and been the guy at all these places that he might really appreciate the way Pat Riley runs things.

[B]

For what it's worth, Miami, yesterday, before this link got posted last night, was the favorite on the odds board. Even money, plus 100. You bet 100, you win 100.

[C]

Before that.

[B]

Before that. Yeah, yeah. Yesterday, the Jimmy Shapiro emails that we get where it says, hey, here's the latest LeBron odds. I actually went back and found all the Jimmy Shapiro emails that have been sent out since the Lakers got knocked out of the playoffs as to where LeBron could end up. He's Jimmy. And for those who don't know, people are like, who the hell is Jimmy Shapiro? He's a PR agent who represents betonline.ag. so he said, like, daily he sends out what the most relevant odds are on things. And LeBron is a very relevant topic right now. Since May 12, there have been six different times that he sent out odds on LeBron. May 12 was right after the Lakers season ended. Then he didn't send another one out till June 30, after the finals had ended and the draft was over. And then since June 30, he sent it out, like, every four to six days. So there have been six different times he sent out the odds. Cleveland was the leader at the very beginning. Cleveland has been the leader two other times, and Miami is the leader now. The other two times, golden. There was at one point where Golden State on June 30 was the heaviest favorite that there's been in this whole process, minus a thousand. At one point. At one point, Golden State was a lock to get LeBron. Now they're down third on the list. But if you just look at the. How the odds have moved over the month and a half since the Lakers season ended, Cleveland has spent the most time. Cleveland has been no lower than second.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

On the odds board. Miami. Miami is kind of making a late run here at it, and so Miami's the favorite right now, but Cleveland has spent most of the last six weeks as the fate.

[C]

What are you. When you do your daily listen in on Cleveland radio? What. What are. How are they treating it?

[B]

Okay, so. So for the most part, the last three weeks, they've just been kind of. At least Ken has. Ken. Carmen, the more volatile of the two hosts. Anthony's just been kind of, like, riding along, like, hey, this is kind of fun.

[C]

Is Ken kind of. Let me guess. Ken's kind of cynical about the whole thing because they've been through this before.

[B]

He's ambivalent because he's like, man, make a decision.

[C]

You know?

[B]

Come on. He's. You know, he. He made the comparison. Like, if you're waiting for somebody to say yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To you, asking them to prom, like, eventually you're going to move on and ask somebody else.

[C]

I'm guessing there's probably a part of it when Cleveland. Where they've already done the old whole. The whole homecoming thing, but then he decided to leave again. And that. I'm like, I'm just guessing. I have no clue. Does LeBron actually spend all that much time in Akron or Cleveland?

[B]

I get the sense that he's got a house there.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Houses everywhere.

[C]

He's got houses. But. But I'm wondering if there's just not that same emotional appeal that there was once before. Obviously, there. There are good times to remember, but it doesn't necessarily feel like, oh, the prodigal son has returned.

[B]

No. Now LeBron is a family man now. His two old. His two boys are older. You know, LeBron he plays in the league OB well, he sits on the bench in the league.

[C]

He goes to the D league when he allows it, when he blesses it.

[B]

His other son is collegiate aged. His daughter is in high school and I don't know how much that factors in.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So yeah, from that aspect of it,

[C]

I want to raise my daughter in Cleveland, not Miami.

[B]

Tell you what, no kidding.

[C]

For walk around a mall in Miami or Las Vegas, those are the two places where I'm like, nope, nope, nope, nope.

[B]

Not raising the family here. So I think in Cleveland now, I think they're just kind of like, they're kind of ready. Like, come on man, let's get this done. Let's get this over with here. I don't think they're going to be, I don't think they're going to be completely distraught or like the news this morning about this Miami link. It wasn't like catastrophe or anything like that.

[C]

Hey, what time is this scheduled for on Monday?

[B]

Oh, I didn't see.

[C]

I'm guessing it's not between 6am and 10am Central. I don't think it's going to be anything we're going to be allowed to carry on. Capable of carry on the air.

[B]

Yeah, it doesn't say. It just says LeBron James introductory press conference posted 11 hours ago. The link. Yeah. So future link. So that's where we are with LeBron Wright.

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Miami. Do you think if he actually picked Miami and they leaked this because LeBron. Look, LeBron is dragging this out, I think in large part just because he enjoys being the center of attention. He hasn't gotten to do this recently. He spent eight years with the Lakers.

[C]

There's a little bit of element, though, too, where Rich Paul is such a kingmaker now that he might be dragging it out himself because he wants to sign, you know, like, hey, LeBron goes here, then my other client can go here or what have you.

[B]

And he has other clients. You're right.

[C]

There's other dominoes that are going to fall.

[B]

No question. No question. I Wonder, like, if LeBron truly did pick Miami and he let them know and then some intern post this link.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Would that be enough for LeBron to change his mind?

[C]

Change his mind? I can't remember what kind of operation you guys running over there. I bet Pat Riley's freaking out on somebody as we speak.

[B]

Definitely would be like if this were like if he really. They should be freaking out on somebody either way. Like, that's. Even if LeBron going there or hasn't made a decision yet. That's. That's a bad mistake, man.

[C]

No, that's a class. That's one of the biggest. The most intriguing things to me in modern sports is that the social media department is vital to the business side of things. Except everything about it is what coaches hate and they have to grudgingly go along with a lot of it. But then, then when there's mistakes like this, man, it's hard for the coaches to want to go along with the social media stuff.

[B]

Amen. Amen. All right, we're off and running on a Wednesday. I know you guys have probably seen, if you follow us on social media. Big announcement coming today at 10am There's a big announcement coming today. And we'll have in the loop in the studio with us here. It'll be during the toss. So it is a. No hyperbole, no Kizzy. It is a big announcement we've got coming up at 10:00am so baseball talk, by the way, which we did a few minutes ago on Sports Radio 610 presented by Xfinity. Score the most reliable Wi Fi one price, five years guaranteed. Xfinity. Imagine that. Ten days until Texans training camp. We're doing a question each day. 10 day countdown began a few days ago. Today is question number six. So we're down to six days until six radio days till Texans training camp. Question today. That I'll bounce off. Seth. What does the ideal tight end room look like for the Texans? They made a lot of moves at that position. We'll hit that coming up.

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Presents live from the West Point Lincoln

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and West Point Lincoln of Sugarland Studios, here's Pain and Pendergast. Hi, Pain and Pendergast with you. It's fun watching people guess at what the big announcement is today at 10am I'm not gonna say one way or the other the guesses are accurate or the magnitude of the guesses. I'm just saying it. It makes. Makes me laugh.

[C]

Yeah. We're not gonna get out of the game where we start denying every suggestion. Cause then people use their powers of deduction. They call Sherlock Holmes out there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Not doing anything. It's pulling myself in front of the bus. Okay.

[C]

That's right. Yep. I know. If I ever get arrested, I will. I'll talk. I was about to say, like, I'll remain silent. Seem like a classic. I'll rat you out in a second.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, no, no. They say even if you're innocent, just to not say. Every lawyer will tell you, even if you're completely innocent, don't talk to the cops. And I'm like, okay, I understand your theory. I know me. And there's no way in hell. I just. I'll be like, oh, I need to clear my good name.

[B]

You know your good name? Yeah. Or if you actually did it, your conscience, you'd be like, no, no, no.

[C]

If I did it. Yeah. That's a whole separate scenario. Yeah, I wouldn't. That's why I try not to commit crimes all that often. Because I know. Yeah, I'll buckle. I'd feel guilty about it. And I Would just give it all up.

[B]

All right, Question of the day.

[C]

But. That's a. But it's easier to tell somebody if you did it. Just deny. Don't say anything.

[B]

Yeah, don't say anything.

[C]

But if you're completely innocent, that's where it's hard. The lawyers will tell you. Even if you're completely innocent, don't talk to the cops. And all you're thinking is, like, man, as soon as I don't talk to them, they're gonna assume I did it.

[B]

Looks guilty.

[C]

And then they start building a case against you. And even if you are innocent, then, like, what the hell?

[B]

Yep. Absolutely.

[C]

You do this segment by yourself. I'm depressed.

[B]

Come on. No, no, no.

[C]

We're thinking about my future. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You love the tight ends. Question number six. As we count down as we count down to Texans training camp week from today, week from today is the first practice. So as we count down to Texans training camp, question number six. What does the ideal tight end room look like for the Texans? Keep in mind, this is a tight end rumor. They've added through free agency, they've added through the draft, they've added through guys coming back from another debilitating injury, and they've got existing guys in that room. So this is sugar and spice and everything. Nice going.

[C]

There are five main names, and keep in mind that Most teams keep three tight ends on their 53, man. Four at the most, four at the most. And especially I think that's going to be more common now because that's the trend right now. I mean, in the draft, there are more tight ends taken than any time in the last 20 years or whatever it was. People are really leaning into the multiple tight end packages. So I would say of these five guys, though, the Texans are likely only to keep four of them. And it gets interesting.

[B]

Yep, it does. The. I would say. Okay, so as far as, like, sub questions to the big question, as you and I try to construct the ideal tight end room with this group, Dalton Schultz is going to be the starter for this team. That's obvious. Schultz had a good year last year, certainly catching the football. And I think he's a willing blocker. He's just not a good blocker.

[C]

He's willing, but he's also. Yeah, and I think he's improved in his career at it when he's healthy. But that's the problem, too, is credit to him because he's tough and he fights through a lot of injuries. But I think the injuries have Been a factor in some of his poor blocking performances.

[B]

He hasn't missed any games, but he's been banged up.

[C]

Yeah. And he's. Look, he's productive as a receiver. They imported the guys that they want that they hope are good blockers. And one is Foster Moreau, who is a good blocker. He's been in the NFL. They, you know, he beat cancer a couple of years ago, which kind of derailed his career. But Casario thinks Kazario laid it out, you know, that he thought very highly of Foster Moreau before he got cancer and that it feels like the Texans think there's a lot of upside there.

[B]

Do you think? Okay, so Schultz is a lock. Do you think Foster Moreau. And we're. I'm going to assume health for everybody here. Do you assume he's. Is he locked to make the team?

[C]

No, I think Foster Moreau depends on what Cade Stover looks like because I think they want Kate Stover to develop as a blocker. So if we think about Foster Moreau as a guy that they wanted to come in to be sure we've got a guy who can block, we need to be sure that we got a guy we trust in pass protection, can block in the run game. We don't want to be using six offensive linemen all the time. If Kate Stover takes a step forward or if Marlon Klein, who I think they drafted because at Michigan he plays like very few colleges do these days. He plays in line, tight end, NFL style. Tight end, had to block a lot. He's capable as a receiver. If he were to look really, really good in camp, then that's where I think there's a lot of pressure on guys like Foster Moreau and Cade Stover because of the blocking dynamic.

[B]

Is Klein a lot to make the team solely on the.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Second round pick.

[C]

Yeah. You're an incredible bust if you don't make the team as a second round pick.

[B]

Okay, so there's in your mind as we're constructing this room.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I got a couple other sort of sub questions to bounce off of you here.

[C]

So Dalton Schultz and Marlon Klein are definitely on the roster.

[B]

And would you say Foster Moreau, it's more likely than not that he makes this?

[C]

I think it's more likely than not. And then it turns into Cade Stover and Brevin Jordan.

[B]

It turns into Kate Stover, Brevin Jordan and the desire to keep four tight ends.

[C]

If they, if they decide to keep four and at least, at least one of those guys, they might Be out of there.

[B]

Whoever is trying to be the fourth tight end may be more competing with like the sixth cornerback.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Than they are Foster Moreau.

[C]

And that's where it gets interesting with Cade Stover and Brevin Jordan. Is that all right? The. There's certain things that if you just look at them physically and for what they theoretically could do. Brevin Jordan, much more dynamic playmaker. You could see him in certain game plans and against certain matchups. Boy, you really like him in there almost as a, as a beefy slot receiver. Whereas Cade Stover, I think they're hoping that he develops into a versatile all purpose tight end who can play fullback at times. You know, be that H back position. So they're, they're different flavors of players. And I don't know if it, I don't know if it comes down to like a flat out, you know, meritocracy type decision. It's just, it's. What if both. Let's say both those guys look really good in camp.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They might just have to make a decision. All right, we want more of this guy or we want more of this type of guy.

[B]

What, what type of guy do you think Nick Kaylee would like?

[C]

I think Kaylee would like it if Kate Stover really came into his own. And they want to be able to run the. And I think they want to have guys that when they go in there, you don't know if you don't have Kate Stover and Foster Moreau are in there because they definitely want to run the ball or if they're going to. Hoping that you bite on the run. And those guys are both out in patterns.

[B]

I think Kaylee likes the Stover type. I agree with you on that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There is something that would be intriguing about if it's a fourth tight end because again, I think Schultz Klein, I think Moreau makes the team. So it's down to Stover versus Jordan. I think there is something to Brevin Jordan's diverse skill set.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And having something like that on the team. It's just that, man, the injuries have been such a dark cloud over him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and you might be sacrificing Kate Stover. Would you say that Kate Stover. Kate Stover is a fourth round pick. So, you know, he's, he kind of hovers around that line. Like, boy, if he turns into a contributor, you're winning with the fourth rally. Anything beyond round four, it's like whatever has he been a. But, but, but this is also a player that Nick Casario used the word elite to describe some of his traits.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

After they drafted him. And he's a guy that they've, they've really. I think, I think he's made of the stuff that they like he said

[C]

elite, but he also made. I brought up George Kittle just by way of making a point and he's like, hold on a second.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like he's not. He's not George Kittle. No, no.

[B]

And I'm not saying Nick said he was George Kittle or anything, but. But he was. As far as fourth round picks go, there was a lot of gushing that went on about Kate Stover. Would you say he's a disappointment?

[C]

Well, it's hard to be a disappointment as a fourth round pick. I mean, yeah, like anybody's a disappointment if you, you know, have high expectations above and beyond.

[B]

Let me rephrase it. Do you think the Texans think he's a disappointment? Because they said a lot of big things about him, but yet he's a fourth round pick.

[C]

And I think they look at him as a guy that is just at that point where this is the year you decide whether he's a disappointment. You know, like is a, like a lot of guys taken. Remember Kate Stover was. Had only played tight end for two seasons at Ohio State.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

And you're looking at him. We do this all the time. You draft a guy and you think, well, he's probably going to be a project. And then three months into the project you're like, what the hell's taken so long? Yeah. Why is he not here? Yeah, I think this would be the year that they would expect him or hope for him to really take that step forward. And I think with Brevin Jordan, they pretty much know who he is as a player. It's just a matter of whether can he stay healthy or not. So Brevin. So, so Cade Stover is the one who really has to have a good camp, who really has to show that, that he's taken a step forward, that he can be a more physical and more dependable blocker and that if he, if he really shows up in camp, then just by virtue of availability. And I think, I think the way Nick Kaylee wants to operate as an offense, that they'd probably, it would be a hard decision for him, but they'd probably stick with, with Kate Stover.

[B]

Okay. So.

[C]

But he has to prove, he really has to prove it in camp.

[B]

If you had to make a prediction right now, breaking camp in late August, when they make the 53, what do you think the tight end room?

[C]

I think it'll be four tight ends and I think it'll be Dalton Schultz, Foster Moreau, I think Cade Stover and Marlon Klein.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I have in all the 50 threes I've been doing.

[C]

Brevin Jordan's tradable, too. I. Despite his injuries, I think there's a lot of teams out there that remember we're talking about all these teams wanting to go multiple tight ends, and they can look at the upside of him and, you know, look, look, the brewers just traded for Lance McCullers. So, like the, a long injury history isn't a complete barrier to, to trading for somebody.

[B]

And the word tradable there, there's degrees to it. Like tradable could mean Brevin Jordan and a six.

[C]

You just pick up a late round pick in 2028.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, something like that. All right, Pain and Pendergast with you. We do. We're doing this every day on the show at this segment leading up to training camp starting next Wednesday. All right, coming up next, headlines. Astros win last night. We'll dig into that a little bit. Boy, it was a busy bloodletting at ESPN yesterday. Holy smokes. A lot of big names now. Hey, guys, Fly on the Walls back for another season. That's right. On audio and video every Monday and Thursday. Follow and listen to Fly on the Wall everywhere. You're getting your podcasts.

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Out on the market at ESP, Pain

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and Pendergast with today's headlines, Pena sends one to deep left center field. Looking back is the left fielder Hern and that is off the top of the wall and in Play. Payne into second base with his 10th double of the year. I think that's a home run. I think it hit the railing above that signage out there in left center field. Joe Espada out of the dugout. He wants them to check. He's going to ask crew chief James Hoy took that off.

[B]

Speed pitch review.

[C]

Home run.

[B]

The fireworks started early yesterday. Well, Jeremy Pena just snuck right over the top of the wall, banged right there and got him off to a nice start yesterday.

[C]

There's a yet another moment where replay has been good for baseball. This is my favorite sport that they use replay.

[B]

This is something if I'm looking ahead and by the way headlines the Astros win last night five to three. Jeremy Pena let off the game with a home run, as I like to call it a springer. Yeah, they did it. He pulled a spring off.

[C]

Home run. Yeah.

[B]

Home run in a game. The thing that I am going to be doing over the next couple months, I'm warning you because it might annoy you, is that I'm going to be rooting for Jeremy Pena and others batting in front of Yordon to not clear the bases or have the bases empty for your.

[C]

Yeah. Exercise some judgment. Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Be on base because we. Yeah if you could have hit it a little lower and you get a double.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Yordon comes up with some guys on base. Because I need your don to win the Triple Crown. This may be the only.

[C]

I'm going to be your on going

[B]

for the Triple Crown. Maybe what sustains us.

[C]

And you can look and you can do your cute little thing where you pretend that's what you're doing, but when you do it over and over again, I'm going to start to think that you're serious about it and then going to annoy me.

[B]

No, I legitimately was a bit upset that Pena hit that grand slam. The other. What?

[C]

Well, it's not a guarantee that Yordon's going to get up and hit a

[B]

Hit a grand slam, but it's an opportunity. It's an opportunity. And by the way, he hit a home run the very.

[C]

I know he did. I know he did.

[B]

But Byron, I was right. It's annoying.

[C]

70 already. Well, you did it yesterday, and I thought you were joking, but now. I wasn't joking at all. You're serious?

[B]

I wasn't joking at all. I didn't want Pena to hit Ryan

[C]

Clark on you here.

[B]

I didn't want. They were 47 and 54.

[C]

That's what the players in the clubhouse are. Sean, you don't know because unlike me, you weren't a Major League baseball player.

[B]

There it is.

[C]

Yeah, there it is.

[B]

There it is.

[C]

You don't know if you didn't play the game.

[B]

There it is.

[C]

And this is where I'm upset.

[B]

This is where I'm shrager. Don't belittle me. You have to belittle me. So. So the Astros win, and I'm in all seriousness, good job. Jeremy Pena. The big hit in the game, was it involved Yordon? Actually, it had nothing to do with Yordon hitting a bomb. But the, the, the sequence that really put this game out of reach for the Marlins last night was Jordan with two outs, striking out. But ball rolls away from the catcher. He hustles down to first base and gets on base.

[C]

He did what Zach Disenzo couldn't be bothered to do.

[B]

Very next pitch, Paredes hits it into the Crawford boxes. And that made it 5 to 1. They go on to win 5 to 3. The other big story, Imai a solid outing last night for Tatsuyama against a decent Miami team. That's not a bad baseball team.

[C]

No, not at all. They're like. They're just like one of those many, many teams in Major League Baseball this year who's slightly above.500 for now. See what happens.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You come to Houston, it gets damaged. So five to three, they win last night. Astros go for the sweep tonight. Report. Aaron Wilson had this report on.

[C]

The big thing about last night, too, is for those who missed it, Imai looked really good.

[A]

Good.

[C]

Yeah. Like that was a. It was a. Like he added his change up in. And the. Which is something they were hoping that he was going to do in the first half of the season. For whatever reason, Imai just wanted to do things his own way. Is he.

[B]

It's never too late.

[C]

He told all the major league baseball people, this is how I'm gonna handle Major league baseball. Yeah. But. But, yes. It's not too late.

[B]

Moral of the story, it's never too late to mix in your change up. It's a metaphor for. It turns out, according to Aaron Wilson, Nico Collins didn't participate in OTAs and minicamp. I mean, he was out there doing some things, but he wasn't practicing doing the 7 on 7, 11 on 11. Just keeping him fresh. You know, Nico's dealt with his fair share of bumps and bruises through the years, so nothing to be too alarmed about there.

[C]

Just the quote was that. Yeah. He had just said the team. That's what the team told him to do, and that's what he was doing. It might have been both, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. The timing of it was kind of.

[B]

Oh, as opposed to the contract thing.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, that was the. Yeah, that was the. Yeah, I thought that's why you're bringing it up. No, I'm just. No, you. You were the first one that speculated that. Well.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

The timing of this was. Man. Right before mandatory minicamp. Yeah. They announced that he has a deal. So I assumed that's why you were bringing it up.

[B]

No, I was just bringing it. Well, I was bringing it up. Cause it was a headline. I was. I was just thinking more. There was. There is. There is always going to be a little concern with me about Nico physically. You know, he's. He's dealt with a bunch of things through his time in the NFL.

[C]

Yeah. They. He was asked. Oh. So he was asked about whether there was a nagging injury worry about because he had sat out, too. Not at all. They just did that. I listened to the coaches listen to the GM saying, yes, sir.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they told me to be ready for camp. Yes, sir.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[C]

I'll be there.

[B]

ESPN was a busy day over at espn. Yesterday at the Worldwide Leader, they were letting A lot of people go yesterday. We know the big story was from a couple of days ago when Ryan Clark got let go from his football duties at espn, was part of Monday Night Countdown, was a frequent contributor on First Take. Somewhat controversial at times. We know that because he said to apologize multiple times in the last 12 months for things he said. He's no longer with ESPN. He's still got his podcast which is very successful. But the reason they had to tell him when they told him is because there were other firings coming down the pipe and his was about the leak in the media. So we got the list yesterday of who's getting let go. I would say the biggest names that ESPN let go yesterday were that our audience would know of Carl Ravich who has been with them for over 30 years, largely tied to baseball. Carl Ravich, you know, part of the Sunday night broadcast and mlb, all their mlb, you know, ancillary coverage. Cam Newton let go by espn. He just signed a new contract with them. Like in.

[C]

Is Drake May aware of it if he knows where Cam Newton is or not? Yeah, that was one the big. Stephen A. Smith was incredulous that Drake May didn't know that Cam Newton was on First Take.

[B]

Now he doesn't because you know all

[C]

these zoomers up watching that, they're up watching ESPN all morning long in their dorm rooms.

[B]

Yeah, Charles Davis. And we got to keep in mind too, they started dropping a couple names. I'm like, they can't fire him. He doesn't work for them. Yeah, all these NFL Network guys work for ESPN now. They're part of the same family. So Charles Davis, I would say Tom Pelissero is one that maybe few of our listeners know. He's like sort of a second tier nugget hustler behind the Shefters and the Rapapores of the world. Bart Scott, former linebacker who is part of their first take. He's on the ESPN radio affiliate up in New York as well. Those are probably the biggest names. I would say.

[C]

I was glad that as of now they kept Bucky Brooks and they kept Greg Rosenthal just because those guys have me on their podcasts. So I like them. They're good guys. Well, Bucky was a teammate of mine in Jacksonville. Oh yeah, no, I like Bucky. I always. Charles Davis being let go was disappointing. And that's where I started worried that they were going to let Bucky Brooks go because those are two guys that are like, they really, they're, they're informed, like they really work at it and like I like watching, I like games that Charles Davis does because I've, he's the classic guy where I feel like, oh, okay, this guy's teaching me something about the team that I actually cover. This is as opposed to so many of them where you're like, oh, that says you're completely wrong about that.

[A]

This.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's. Charles Davis is good. I like him. I like him. We'll have to talk later. You know, Cam Newton had some interesting things to say about his ouster at ESPN about he's not too worried about it because he's got his own platform. Yeah, we should talk about that later. I think that's some interesting.

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