Catching you up on what happened at practice on Saturday

Summary

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Payne & Pendergast – August 10, 2026

Episode: Catching you up on what happened at practice on Saturday
Hosts: Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast
Location: Live from Texans Training Camp, Methodist Training Center, Houston
Theme: Inside Look at Texans Training Camp Progress and Astros Concerns

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Episode Overview

This episode offers a comprehensive review of the Houston Texans’ training camp after Saturday’s practice, giving fans an insider’s perspective on roster battles, improvements in offensive execution, and notable player developments. The conversation transitions into Houston Astros analysis, touching on the challenges around their starting rotation and key player performances, before wrapping up with Texans news updates and NFL notes.

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Key Segment Breakdown

1. Texans Training Camp – Saturday Recap & Trends

[01:16]–[06:36]

• Competitiveness & Improvement:

  • D’Amico Ryans lauds the back-and-forth nature of camp and the team’s “next play” mentality:

    “Our team is doing a really nice job. … You look for that competitiveness … both sides making plays. … Nobody’s down about [bad plays]—how do we come back, how do we respond?” – D'Amico Ryans [01:16]

  • Seth Payne sees measurable progress from last year’s offense, especially in reducing pre-snap penalties and overall operational cleanliness with added shifts/motions:

    “The offense is making some plays. … Compared to last season, it’s a marked improvement.” – Seth Payne [02:20]

  • The defense is still dominant, likened to a playoff-favored NBA team that “slapped down the lesser team” on Saturday.

    “The defense ruled the day.” – Sean Pendergast [04:32]

• Position Battles and Depth:

  • Strong competition on the offensive line, with notably better depth than years prior; Blake Fisher’s progress and the robust battle at center get special mention.

    “Blake Fisher … shown up a lot better this training camp than he’s shown up in previous training camps.” – Sean Pendergast [05:13]

  • Keelan Rutledge’s emergence at center highlighted—he’s “getting better and better,” and the position battle marks a stark contrast to the patchwork solutions of 2025.

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2. Rookie Keelan Rutledge’s Impact & O-Line Identity

[06:36]–[10:32]

• Coaching Insight:

  • Offensive Coordinator Nick Caylee on Rutledge:

    “He’s a tough, nasty, accountable dude that is getting better every day. … He’s all ball and tough as nails. … All day tough.” – Nick Caylee [07:37]

• Player Traits & Comparisons:

  • Seth distinguishes Rutledge’s genuine, controlled aggression from pretenders like Trevor Penning:

    “Rutledge is tough in terms of just finishing plays, getting downfield, attaching to guys, playing violently. … Unlike Trevor Penning, I think Keelan Rutledge is going to be a good football player.” – Seth Payne [08:21]

  • Rutledge shows “really good body control,” athleticism, and proficiency in second-level blocks—a weakness for last year’s line.
  • Recap of the differences Rutledge has faced switching from guard (in college) to center (in the NFL):

    “At guard, you just kind of shut up and listen to the center. At center … you gotta tell everybody what to do.” – Keelan Rutledge [11:11]

• CJ Stroud’s Growth and Offensive Cohesion:

  • Highlight of CJ taking more active control of protections and improved communication between QB and offensive line:

    “One of the more encouraging things I’ve heard from CJ … him being involved in the protection. … It’s probably every bit as complicated as everything … with the receivers. … That part of it this year has been a lot cleaner.” – Seth Payne [11:38]

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3. Operational Improvements and Leader Praise

[12:50]–[15:30]

• Trent Brown on CJ Stroud’s Command & Offense Operation:

  • Trent Brown attests to CJ’s “super confident” year-two jump, especially in managing the huddle:

    “Last year we were breaking the huddle with, like, seven seconds. We’ve been breaking the huddle with like 24 seconds. … He’s a lot more confident in the way he commands the huddle.” – Trent Brown [13:13]

  • Sean and Seth reinforce that such praise from Brown, a league veteran, is significant:

    “Of all the offensive linemen, he’s the one that doesn’t play when it comes to praise … he’s seen what good looks like.” – Sean Pendergast [13:38]

• Improvements from Last Year:

  • Contrast from 2025, when the offense was “gunky, like a toddler tying their shoes” (Seth Payne [16:22]), to now—a “clean operation” with fewer pre-snap penalties and faster play calls.

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4. Notable Position Notes & Camp Humor

[16:37]–[19:25]

• Special Teams Issues:
  • Only one punter remains in camp, Kai Kroger, with jokes about punting nightmares and the turbulence at the position (“I had a nightmare about punting … the punter kept shanking the ball—kicking it 10 yards every time.” – Seth Payne [16:47])
• Defensive Back Drama:
  • Texans’ approach to Terry’n Arnold’s legal concerns:

    “I draw a hard line. I don’t want anybody with more than three kidnapping charges.” – Seth Payne [20:07, tongue-in-cheek]

  • Colin Wright, undrafted rookie from Stanford, impresses by running with the first unit in place of Derek Stingley.

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5. Houston Astros Concerns: Rotation Depth & Playoff Prospects

[23:37]–[28:07]

• AL West Standings and Rotation Worries:

  • Astros drop two out of three to the Padres but remain narrowly atop the AL West.
  • MLB.com’s power ranking of playoff rotations left the Astros out entirely—a sign of alarming mediocrity:

    “I scrolled and I scrolled, and they weren’t even in the article.” – Sean Pendergast [24:22]

  • The search for a reliable top four in the rotation reflects the dire state; even fourth-best options are in question:

    “Can you find four? Can you find three that you feel really good about?” – Seth Payne [26:57]

  • The bullpen is lauded; the starting staff, not so much.

• Player Highlights & Pettiness:

  • Sean’s “petty” rooting interests: 1) Yordan Alvarez for Triple Crown/MVP, and 2) Cam Smith surpassing Kyle Tucker in WAR, despite salary chasm:

    “I need Cam Smith to actually be a better player at 1/60th the cost than Kyle Tucker.” – Sean Pendergast [30:14]

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6. Texans Player News & NFL Headlines

[31:41]–[39:38]

• Injury and Return Updates:

  • Jalen Noel returns from NFI (non-football injury) list (hand injury), poised for a bigger role in year two. D’Amico Ryans emphasizes finding a “defined role” for him as a return specialist and on offense.

    “How can we find a way to get the ball in his hands multiple times a game?” – D'Amico Ryans [33:02]

  • Jack Stonehouse (punter) cut, leaving Kai Kroger; however, further moves are expected (“wouldn’t be surprised … greater than 50% chance they … pick up somebody off waivers or something with a punter.” – Seth Payne [35:12])

  • Nico Collins (WR) back at practice (possible load management).

  • Derek Stingley Jr. sits out for rest; not injury-related.

• NFL Updates & Local Reactions:

  • Former Texans LT Laremy Tunsil out 4+ months with triceps tear after big contract with Washington. Discussion validates Texans’ decision to move on and spread resources over the OL (“I’m still okay with that trade, more so now he’s not even available.” – Seth Payne [38:46])
  • Titans make Peter Skoronski the highest paid guard in the NFL.

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Notable Quotes (w/ Timestamps)

• On the Offense’s Growth:

  “They’re winning some reps out here, which they didn’t do last year. Quite literally, they didn’t do—I can’t remember a single rep they won in training camp in 2025.”
  — Sean Pendergast [04:44]

• On Keelan Rutledge:

  “He’s a tough, nasty, accountable dude that is getting better every day. … He’s all ball and he’s tough as nails.”
  — Nick Caylee [07:37]

• CJ Stroud’s Command:

  “We’ve been breaking the huddle with like 24 seconds ... he’s a lot more confident ... the way he calls the plays ... we’re all seeing the field through the same set of eyes.”
  — Trent Brown [13:13]

• Astros Rotation Scare:

  “You couldn’t even come up with an ideal top four for these guys.”
  — Sean Pendergast [27:45]

• On Punting Woes:

  “The punter kept shanking the ball ... kicking it ten yards every time.”
  — Seth Payne [16:47]

• On Player Vetting:

  “I draw a hard line. I don’t want anybody with more than three kidnapping charges.”
  — Seth Payne [20:07, tongue-in-cheek]

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Memorable Moments

• Seth’s sleep interrupted by a punting nightmare, triggered by training camp anxiety. [16:47]
• The humorous but real pettiness of rooting for Cam Smith to outperform Kyle Tucker in WAR “at 1/60th the cost.” [30:14]
• Clear satisfaction from both hosts in seeing genuine progress in camp operations and offensive line depth after years of struggling.

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Timeline of Critical Segments

| Timestamp | Content Area | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 01:16 | D’Amico Ryans on camp competitiveness | | 02:38 | Offensive improvements vs 2025 | | 04:31 | Depth battles: Offensive Line, center competition | | 07:37 | Nick Caylee praises Keelan Rutledge | | 11:11 | Rutledge on learning center’s responsibilities | | 13:13 | Trent Brown describes CJ Stroud’s growth | | 16:47 | Punting nightmares and roster cuts | | 20:07 | Texans hosting Terry’n Arnold, legal baggage | | 23:37 | Astros, rotation woes, playoff outlook | | 31:41 | Texans injury updates (Jalen Noel, punter news) | | 37:55 | Laremy Tunsil injury and trade justification | | 39:23 | Skoronski Titans extension, NFL wrap-up |

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Tone & Style

The tone is candid, knowledgeable, and laced with energetic banter. Payne and Pendergast blend sharp analysis and humor, offering a “boots-on-the-ground” sensibility that appeals to dedicated fans eager for detail and personality.

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Summary Takeaways

• Texans Camp: The offense is showing real signs of life and discipline—centered around improved depth and the emergence of rookie Keelan Rutledge—while the defense remains dominant.
• CJ Stroud: Clear growth in command, timing, and operational efficiency, earning high praise from respected vets.
• Roster Battles/Depth: Not just filler—real positional competitions will determine the roster, especially in the trenches.
• Astros Stress: Playoff rotation depth (or lack thereof) is a concern, fueling doubts about a sustained run.
• Injury & Transaction Updates: Jalen Noel’s return and Laremy Tunsil’s injury illustrate the NFL’s ever-changing personnel chess game.

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Listeners receive both micro-level insights (offensive line mechanics, rookie development) and a macro view of the Texans’ trajectory and the Astros’ chances, grounded in both stats and on-field anecdotes. The episode is essential catch-up for Houston sports fans and anyone tracking preseason NFL narratives.

Transcript

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[Seth Payne]

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[D'Amico Ryan]

Let's go.

[Sean Pendergast]

Great day. Great day. Oh, give me some juice, B. Oh, yeah, let's do it.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Our team is doing a really nice job. And what you look for in camp, for me, I talk about it. You look for that competitiveness, nature, like back and forth, both sides making plays. And that's what we see every day. You know, someone is making a big play, Right. And if someone makes a bad play, nobody's down about it. It's okay. How do we come back? How do we respond in a positive manner with that next play mentality? That's how our guys are responding. So it's been great going against each other. I think it's starting to get to that time where it's time to, you know, play a game against someone else. But our guys, they've done a great job all camp.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And you'll get to do that. D' Ameco on Thursday. This week we get our first game of the preseason. Big week. Big week here at the station. Yes, Big week here at the Methodist Training center as we are here for practice number 10 today. Good morning, my friend.

[Seth Payne]

It is a big week because on Thursday, not only do we have a preseason game, but we're. We're. We're opening up 95.7 the fan.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

I don't know how to. Do you have directions on how to get there? I don't know where to. Is the. Are we in a different office?

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm ubering. I'm ubering. So I just. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm plugging into the gym.

[Seth Payne]

I'm letting the driver figure this is. No, it's been. And it's been. This has been a fun training camp so far. Mostly because of What d' Amico just said that look, the offense is, the offense is making some plays. They're not making plays as consistently as the defense, but compared to last season it's, it's, it's a marked improvement.

[Sean Pendergast]

Has it been, we're nine practices in. Has it been better, worse or the same as you expected for the offense?

[Seth Payne]

It's been better than I expected.

[Sean Pendergast]

Better than you.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I guess. Or at least it was. I realistically hoped for something like this. I think honestly like one of the most, one of the most encouraging things that only a Texans fan would understand why I'm talking about this. There's anybody from another team just listening and maybe some Chargers fans because they're like yeah, let's hear what's going on with Houston before they, if I know

[Sean Pendergast]

Charger fans, they're going to be up at three in the morning before listen to scouting on a game preseason before they face off. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Preseason game number one. They're going to be like what the hell is this guy talking about when he says the pre snap penalties by the offense have been almost non existent. But that also comes as they're doing a lot of shifts and motions and a lot of pre snap stuff and it's just, it's a cleaner operation and they are making some plays but the defense is still. It's the best defense in the league and they're going against an offense that we don't know how good they are. Not right now, but they're not the best offense in the league. So like Saturday night, this is what Saturday night was, Sean, with the ones. Ones versus ones. I think the Twos did a better job. The offense did. But ones versus ones. The defense is like a heavily favored NBA team in the playoffs that dropped game two and they come out in game three and they're like all right, seriously, what the hell. And they.

[Sean Pendergast]

So Friday was kind of game two. Yeah. And then Saturday was they. It was.

[Seth Payne]

They're coming back or even just in general whether they just didn't. Maybe they felt like this during the week. They didn't play as well as they wanted. We saw Will Anderson after practice.

[Sean Pendergast]

Great analogy. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Thanks to it is. It's like they're clear nearly the better squad but every now and then the other squad, they've got pros, you know.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Enos Cantor is going to do something every now and then. Yep. And. And then they, they just, they went out and they. And they slapped down the lesser team on Saturday.

[D'Amico Ryan]

They did.

[Trent Brown]

They did.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. The defense, the defense ruled the day,

[Seth Payne]

I would say the offensive line on the second team playing well, though, I think is a good sign of the depth of the offensive line.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, there's going to be. I think that's maybe the. The most encouraging thing for me about the offense. Two things. One, as you point out, they are winning some reps out here, which they didn't do last year. Quite literally, they didn't do. I can't remember a single rep they won in training camp in 2025. They are winning some reps out here.

[Seth Payne]

A single rep.

[Sean Pendergast]

It probably happened. I just can't remember. But the battle for some of these positions on the offensive side making this team is going to be really interesting. And not because of things in previous years where you had maybe like, on the offensive line room you had like three guys you felt were NFL offensive linemen. And then it's like, all right, well, then we got to find nine of them here. This is, you know, like, like Blake Fisher, for example, has shown up a lot better this training camp than he's shown up in previous training camps.

[Seth Payne]

If we talk about the center position alone, I mean, last year, Jake Andrews is a guy who had been cut by the Patriots and traded cut by the Patriots and had played about a total of 70 snaps. And he's competing for the starting center spot with another guy in Juice. Well, Juice, Gruggs and Patterson.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And you know, who aren't starting caliber players right now. And Jake Andrews ends up getting the job. And I thought he made improvement as the year went along, but this year we're watching Keelan Rutledge at center, and it just keeps getting better and better. And you can get excited about who's potentially playing center right now. And I think that's. That's probably the most stark difference. Whereas Jake Andrews. Jake Andrews is fighting for a roster spot, I think. Yes, no doubt. And you know, and they've got. Evan Brown is a guy that he's competing with who's been a starter in the league is probably going to end up making the team as a swing interior offensive lineman. They've just got. They've got way more depth and way more. Which means that when somebody inevitably, inevitably gets injured on the offensive line, there's going to be a competent backup to go in and play competent football.

[Sean Pendergast]

Let's. Let's hit Rutledge here. As long as you're bringing him up. This was Nick Caylee, because I get asked about him a lot. I don't know if you know, out and about Haley or Rutledge no. Well, kaylee, yes. Also, C.J. like, if you're listening to people, I get asked about when, when they say, hey, how do things look at training camp? CJ Is always number one. Kaylee is almost attached to CJ at the hip because he's the offensive coordinator. But people are really intrigued by Keelan Rutledge because they hear that he's playing center out here and he's never played center before.

[Seth Payne]

Right. Which, by the way, just to set the scene, everybody. Who the hell is smoking a cigarette in 20, 26 somewhere then? Yeah, I can say it might be 50 yards away, but I pick up on it like nothing. So go ahead, go ahead.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, that's okay. Now I can smell it, too. I can't stop thinking.

[Seth Payne]

Smell it. Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm going to start bringing cigars. Smoke those early in the morning.

[Seth Payne]

I don't mind cigar smoke. Cigarette smoke gets me.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm same. Same. Here's Nick Caylee on Saturday. The coordinators met with the media after Saturday's open practice. And he had this to say about rookie Keelan Rutledge, the same thing we

[Nick Caylee]

saw on tape at Georgia Tech. He's a tough, nasty, accountable dude that is getting better every day. I mean, he's playing a really, a position that puts a lot on you. He's got great people around him. Cole Popovich, I love. That's my guy. He's working. He hasn't changed a bit from the first time I heard him say, I don't even. I don't even have a suit. When he first showed up after the draft, I was like, I love this guy. I love this guy. But he's all ball and he's tough as nails. He's all day tough.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, that's.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was good branding.

[Seth Payne]

All day tough. That's a good caption.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was good branding by Keelan Rutledge when he showed up after the draft to say he doesn't own a suit.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

It turns out he's actually got three wardrobes full of clothes.

[Sean Pendergast]

Good job saying it, though, as they're

[Seth Payne]

unloading seven trunks of clothing off that. No, he is. He's. What did he say all day? Tough. Yep. And I think the big difference with, you know, him and we've talked about, okay, what's the difference between a rookie like Trevor Penning who comes in and he's fighting everybody but ends up being a horrible football player? Trevor Penning, for those of you who don't know, he was a first round draft pick by the New Orleans Saints. A few years ago, but he had this whole Persona of I'm Mr. Tough Guy. Remember, Trevor Penning was getting in fights in Saints training camp all the time. And it's because Trevor Penning's the kind of. I almost used a bad word. He's the kind of offensive lineman that's like. He's trying to act like he's tough, but he's just doing dirty stuff and, like, holding and hitting guys after the snap. During training camp practices, the defensive linemen are going to take exception to Keelan Rutledge is tough in terms of just finishing plays, getting downfield, attaching to guys, playing violently, and first and foremost, unlike Trevor Penning, I think Keelan Rutledge is going to be a good football player. So. So with young players, sometimes overly aggressive offensive linemen, what they do is they get off balance real easily. They get out. They get out of their cylinder. You think about just like a vertical cylinder of keeping everything under control. As an offensive lineman, the guys who are overly aggressive, they just. They get unbalanced, they get out over their feet, and they get dumped on their face when they play real football.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's Penning.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, that's Penning. I don't worry about that with Kaylan Rutledge at all. He plays with really good body control, and all of his aggression is very well placed and within. Within the framework of how he's supposed to be executing his techniques. So it's really cool to watch.

[Trent Brown]

He's.

[Seth Payne]

He's really strong. He's very explosive, and he's got a very good understanding of angles and leverage and where he's supposed to be on a play. And last year with the offensive line, one of the biggest things they struggled with was, all right, he started to do a better job of getting the defensive lineman blocked up, but they weren't getting up to the linebackers and safeties all that well at the second level. Rutledge is. Rutledge might end up being really good at that. And, you know, Ingram to the. On the right side is really good at that as well.

[Dana Carvey]

So this is.

[Seth Payne]

It's going to be a better rushing attack. I just. I just don't know how much better at this point.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, he's. That's the thing about Rutledge that maybe people don't know or, you know, the stereotype. He's just, you know, he's a big white dude with a red beard. Yeah, he's a really good athlete.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Played basketball in high school. He's a very, very good athlete. This is Keelan Rutledge with a conversation he had with Shelby Koppage, who does the Shelby. She does the sidelines on the Texans pregame television broadcast. She's out here at training camp these last couple weeks interviewing players after practice. And this is Rutledge talking about the difference between guard, which is the position he played throughout college, and center, where he's being groomed for right now.

[Keelan Rutledge]

Yeah, I think it's just getting everybody on the same page. Like, you know, at guard you should kind of shut up and listen to the center. And at center, you know, coming in as a rookie, you gotta tell everybody what to do. So I think that's something that, not necessarily intimidating, but way, way different because

[Sean Pendergast]

you're at the line of scrimmage and

[Keelan Rutledge]

you're talking and making sure everybody's on the right page. So I think that's, that's the thing.

[Seth Payne]

How has it been working with C.J.

[Shelby Koppage]

so closely?

[Keelan Rutledge]

Oh, it's been great. He's been great. To me, anything, you know, if I'm ever like a little hairy on something, you kind of look back there and that guy's played a lot of football, so he'll get you on the right page.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And that part about C.J. getting him on the right page, I think one of the more encouraging things I've heard from CJ this year is I've heard him a couple times mention the protection and him being involved in the protection. And that was something that. I think it's an underrated challenge for guys, for young quarterbacks, no matter which system they're in, but especially in this one where they want him to be really involved in the pass protection. It's a lot, it's. I think it's probably every bit as complicated as everything that he has to work on with the receivers. And that part of it this year has been a lot cleaner. Even as they're playing with a rookie center, a lot of the time they're just, they're, they're picking up blitzes, they're. They're getting the right run plays called and doing the right checks. And that's where you're seeing fewer or non existent pre snap penalties. Yeah, like false starts are bad, but the ones that really are indicative of issues with the operation are the illegal motions, the illegal alignments, all of those things. And so far we haven't seen any of those. Now they're not out here with NFL refs. So these guys might not pick up on everything that an NFL ref might. But I mean, it's been really, really clean.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

This time of year ago, it was terrible.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. So it's just. It's better than last year, for sure. Speaking of CJ and speaking of the offensive line, this was Trent Brown. This is an interview he did with Cody Stutes and Landry Locke.

[Seth Payne]

Sorry, real quick. When I say false starts are bad, I mean in general, they haven't been bad during this training camp.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. This is Trent Brown talking about the operation with C.J. here in year two.

[Trent Brown]

Confidence. Super confident. Super confident. I mean, we're with. Me and. Me and Nick were talking the other day last year. We were breaking the huddle with, like, seven seconds. We've been breaking the huddle with, like 24 seconds. And it's like. It's unbelievable. You know what I mean? Like, he's a lot more confident in the way he commands the huddle, a lot more confident in the way he calls the plays, a lot more. The way he's seeing the field and what we're all seeing the field through the same set of eyes. And that's what you really want.

[Sean Pendergast]

Here's why I play. Trent Brown audio. Because Trent Brown, of all the offensive linemen, he's the one that doesn't play when it comes to praise and things like that.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Remember last year when I think it was around that time Cole Popovich did an interview on. With Mark Vandermeer and John Harris. Begrudgingly. So, yeah, Cole Popovich looked like he wanted to be anywhere else. Not because of Mark and John, just because I don't think he's like an extrovert when it. At least in an interview setting Cole Popovich. But it was right around that same time, too, where people were. And Cole Popovich, like Mark and Johnny brought up the. The improvement of the offensive line. And Cole Popovich did not seem like he felt like they were greatly improved or anything, like it was better. But he was. He was very, very hesitant to give overwhelming praise for the offensive line. Rightfully so. Trent Brown, of all the players and in large part Seth, I think you pointed this out like, he's seen what good looks like. He was in New England for a bunch of years in this offense.

[Seth Payne]

He was in. Well, and he was while he was in New England in 2018, especially with Tom Brady. That was the one year he was with Tom Brady. And like, he knows how it's supposed to. What it looks like when. When it's operating the way it's supposed to.

[Sean Pendergast]

So he did an interview. I remember at one point, and. And I think you know, and he was like, no, this, this is not good enough. So to hear Trent Brown be effusive in, in praise for cj, I think is meaningful maybe compared to some of the other offensive linemen.

[Seth Payne]

And that whole part about just, hey, they're breaking the huddle. They're getting up to the line of scrimmage. All of that, that's the, that's the big thing that fans notice. You get up there. That, that Jeffrey Simmons sack that everybody remembers where he was just unblocked and got CJ to the ground in like 1.3 seconds last year. That was all a result of a bad pre snap operation. That was just not getting the checks in, not everybody hearing the checks and everybody being on the, on a different page. I don't, I don't think we're going to see atrocities like that early this season.

[Sean Pendergast]

Can I give you a regular person reaction to what Trent Brown just said? One aspect of it, when he said, last year we were, we were breaking the huddle and there's seven seconds left on the play clock. This year there's 24 seconds left. What the hell's going on for those 17 seconds last year?

[Seth Payne]

Well, this is the thing. It's, it's, it's one of those things where there's so many steps involved in getting a play in. Yeah. To the quarterback, the quarterback getting the play out. And then all of that. It's that every little, every couple of seconds really starts to add up. And if you want to think of it like a fine tuned machine, it's. Yeah. If one of the gears is off at the beginning of the process, it throws off the whole operation.

[Sean Pendergast]

And it's probably not all cj. It was the first time guy calling plays last year, too.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. From Kaylee deciding on a play to it getting into the huddle to then it getting communicated to the players. It was just, it was gunky.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

It was like a toddler tying their shoes. It's annoying as hell.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yes.

[Seth Payne]

Trying not to yell. You know, he's just like, you don't want to do it for him.

[Sean Pendergast]

No.

[Seth Payne]

But you're like, but, but you're making millions of dollars, toddler.

[Dana Carvey]

All right.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, let's.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Damn.

[Seth Payne]

We got to get going. Got to get going.

[Sean Pendergast]

We're down to one punter. The punter battle is down to one.

[Seth Payne]

We're down to one who's not even that punter. A nominal punter. Yeah. We were the one guy who plays the punt position.

[Sean Pendergast]

Hunter.

[Seth Payne]

I had a nightmare about punting last night. I'M just realizing is where. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Is it a Texans related nightmare?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, it was. It was one of those. It was that I had a. The. The punter was like. Kept shanking the ball. It was. We were watching a game and the punter was like kicking it 10 yards every single time.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Sounds like somebody. Sounds like you've been at training camp.

[Seth Payne]

I was drifting off to sleep last night and then all of a sudden I got.

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[Dana Carvey]

Hey, what's up, flies? This is David Spade. Dana Carvey. Look it, I know we never actually left, but I'll just say it. We are back with another season of Fly on the Wall. Every episod, including ones with guests, will now be on video. Every Thursday, you'll hear us and see us chatting with big name celebrities. And every Monday, you're stuck with just me and Dana. We react to news, what's trending, viral clips follow and listen to Fly on the Wall.

[Seth Payne]

Everywhere you get your podcasts, like a flurry of texts. You're one of the guilty parties. Oh, yeah, You, Garrett Heinrich and a few other people. I got like 20 texts.

[Sean Pendergast]

Garrett was sending texts way too late

[Seth Payne]

because I forgot I was going to bed early, but I forgot to put. Do not distract.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, I sent you. Oh, I sent you a text about Terry and Arnold.

[Seth Payne]

Pissed me off.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, I can't see what time I sent it, though.

[Seth Payne]

It was like 8pm Was it? Yeah. Okay, what time?

[Sean Pendergast]

What is the time? I should stop sending you texts?

[Seth Payne]

No, no, no. It's my fault for not putting. I went to bed early. I got to put it on do not disturb.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, but still, in case you don't put it on, like, what time do you want me to not text you anymore ever?

[Seth Payne]

I don't like communicating with people.

[Sean Pendergast]

Come on,

[Seth Payne]

send me an email on my work email. I'll check it eventually.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Jerry and Arnold. This had the feel of. Okay. The Texans have a good relationship with the agent. Nicole.

[Sean Pendergast]

Nicole Lynn.

[Seth Payne]

Nicole Lynn. She's Will Anderson's agent and a few other guys on the Texans and the Texans also are very open and willing to just taking a look at anybody. They don't care about your reputation and what's going on. I'm guessing the Texans wanted to have a look at Terry and Arnold, but then also have a conversation with him about what the hell's going on with his legal situation in Florida. For those of you who don't know, he's charged with. Is it six felony counts?

[Sean Pendergast]

No, it's eight.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, it's eight.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's four kidnapping account. Four kidnapping counts and four robbery counts.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, Sean, I draw a hard line. I don't want anybody with more than three kidnapping charges. Ongoing kidnapping.

[Sean Pendergast]

Boy, if I still have my fantasy off season crime league, he'd have been like Barry Bonds.

[Seth Payne]

Well, the fascinating thing about Terry and Arnold is.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right, felony.

[Seth Payne]

He got himself into a big old fiasco down there. Depending on no matter how. How guilty or not guilty he is, he got himself involved with some sketchy people. And he also was a disappointment as a draft pick. So you wonder. That would be intriguing for me. Is all right, man, all the reports of this kid coming out of Alabama were that he was an A plus character and everything. So that if somehow he got led astray, it is in him to be that solid citizen and in him getting led astray. Was that also part of why he wasn't playing all that well? That's the intriguing upside for.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's the other thing. He hasn't. He'd still be on the Lions if he was playing well, but meanwhile.

[Seth Payne]

Right. If he was a really. If he had been. If he had been rookie of the year and an All Pro in his second year, they're not cutting himself. This felt like. All right, that's enough. We're done. Yeah. I think that the one intriguing thing is that Colin Wright, the undrafted rookie free agent out of Stanford, is really impressed a lot of people to the point where he's out there. He's out there defending passes in place of Derek Stingley the other night. And you know, he was. We're not supposed to. We're not supposed to talk about who's lining up where and everything, but like, the whole damn world knows that he was out there with the ones. Right. Playing for Derek Stingley.

[Sean Pendergast]

Have you seen the billboards? Protect the team.

[Seth Payne]

Right, Right. But I mean, that the. Okay. Yeah. All.

[Nick Caylee]

So.

[Seth Payne]

And every time they. Well, I think one of the coaches talked about being out there running with the ones. Like, every time one of the defensive backs is asked about a young player who's playing well, they bring up Colin Wright.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, yeah. He's had a good camp. Had a good camp. And by the way, the reason I mentioned Terry and Arnold, he. He worked out. He had a second visit with the Seahawks or one of the other teams that's kicking tires on him. All right, let's hit some baseball. In the next segment, the Astros still in first place, but the weekend was not great. And an article that I saw over the weekend about. About the playoff teams in Major League Baseball, I think kind of accentuate why this might not be a long run for the Astros. We will tell you why.

[Seth Payne]

Coming 10 presents Payne and Pendergast.

[Sean Pendergast]

Hi Pain and Pendergast with you on a. On a Monday Texans training camp. We're live here, here for a couple more days today out here at the Methodist Training center. If you're coming out for the open practice. Looking forward to seeing all of you out here tomorrow. It sounds like, Seth. We are going to be doing the show from inside the stadium.

[Seth Payne]

Oh.

[Sean Pendergast]

In the broadcast up in the press spot.

[Seth Payne]

They're going to let us sit where Vandy and Vandy sits. And Andre.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're going to sit up there because tomorrow they are. They're treating this like a game week. So they play. Obviously they host the Chargers on Thursday. Normally two days before the game, they would do a walkthrough in the stadium.

[Seth Payne]

So that's like a glorified run through. Get all your special teams. That's the biggest thing. The most stressful thing during the preseason is probably the most stressful job in all of life. Sean is being a special teams coach. In a preseason game we have to sort out 90 different dudes and like a five deep on the special teams. Trying to be sure everybody is. It's really the assistant. The assistant special teams coordinator that's charged with all that stuff. And you gotta, you gotta be like an accountant out there getting everybody set up and organized on the sidelines.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's a lot of work.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So the Astros lose two out of three over the weekend to the San Diego Padres. That's the bad news. The good news, they're still in first place by half the game in the American League west and they play the horrific San Francisco Giants for the next few days.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So that's just what the doctor ordered. But I guess the, you know, from over the weekend and this is what's ultimately going to do this team in the athletic had an article about. Oh, no, it was. MLB.com had an article that was ranking. They Power ranked the starting rotations for all of the pot. Well, not all for the possible. For 12 possible playoff teams. Yeah, Power ranked them. I said, okay, well, I don't expect this to be like 2019 where the Astros would be first or second. You know, you have Verlander, Granke and whatever, Garrett Cole. You know, I expected to have to scroll down on this thing. And I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled some more, and they weren't even in the article. There were 12 starting rotations possible. You know, I know there's 12 teams that make the playoffs, but obviously there's plenty of teams in the running right now. They. Their starting rotation right now. Seth wasn't even good enough to be in a 12 team power ranking for possible playoffs.

[Seth Payne]

Okay, the other depressing thing that I saw was the report that, hey, they might not have added anything really of significance at the offs. You know, they added one outfielder at the trade deadline, but they might not be done yet. I'm like, so, yeah, the unemployed guys that are available made a home run

[Sean Pendergast]

for the Padres last night. Hayes. Astro fans wanting Hayes.

[Seth Payne]

That's how decrepit the outfield is, though, that they're looking at like, hey, we're not done yet.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, no, no.

[Seth Payne]

There's unemployed dudes out there right now looking for jobs.

[Sean Pendergast]

And you're acting like you're shopping at Tiffany's. You know, this guy just got cut

[Seth Payne]

by a bad team showing up at the company Christmas party with a street walker.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay, so the way they did this article, so the way they did this article in mlb.com is they had an ideal top four and then key depth for some of the teams. And it's so depressing to look like the good teams. Like the, like the Dodgers have good starters as key depth right now, not even in their top four. And I know they're an outlier. They just spend, spend, spend. But it did get me thinking, like, okay, if the Astros make the playoffs, what is the ideal, the ideal top four? Can you even come up with an ideal top four? And here's why I say that. Obviously we know Hunter Brown is the ace, and Peter Lambert had another Lambert start this weekend where he gave you five innings and he gave up two runs and a lot of traffic, but he worked his way out of some things. But Lambert would definitely be in your top four right now too, just based on how he's pitched this season. After that, it's a free for all because you're counting on two guys right now in Renell Blanco who, again, was not great. He's got an ERA of about seven right now and four starts. And Hayden Wisneski, who's had a couple of starts, he's looked pretty good, but,

[Seth Payne]

you know, I mean, in his career, there's no reason you should expect that he's gonna all of a sudden be lights out or.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's a great point.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. And then the other two guys are Christian, Javier. And we saw what happened last night. You know, Javier is just too inconsistent. He had that five shutout inning relief appearance, and now he's in there out of necessity because Imai is so inconsistent. He's your other guy. Like, those are the only six guys you have on the roster right now that are in the conversation. Can you find four?

[Seth Payne]

Can you find three that you feel really good about?

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't even feel, like, super great about Peter Lambert. I feel that to expire at some point.

[Seth Payne]

No. And. Well, the whole thing is that it's. Once you make the playoffs, anything can happen. You know how it have to look with the Astros? It would have to be one of these ridiculously improbable stretches where you get the best. The best possible version of Javier, the best possible version of Blanco. You know, they might be throwing bullpen

[Sean Pendergast]

games after the top two guys. I know, because their bullpen's great. Yeah, their bullpen's great. But, yeah, it's.

[Dana Carvey]

It's.

[Sean Pendergast]

I could see why they didn't put it this way. Once I went through the same exercise with the Astros that they did for the 12 teams that actually made that list, I'm like, okay, well, now I see why they didn't make the list. You couldn't even come up with an ideal top four for these guys, I think.

[Seth Payne]

I mean. And, like, Imai. Throwing Imai in there just feels ridiculous. I mean, he's got his work his way into being a starter, and yet.

[Sean Pendergast]

And yet he's had some good starts, and his best start is. Is probably other. Like, if you. The ceiling for him is probably higher than anybody but Hunter Brown in terms of, like, what the best looks like for him.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Like, his stuff is crazy, but he's just so. He's so inconsistent, and if he gets behind the eight ball early in a game, he just loses it.

[Seth Payne]

His stuff is crazy. But to find a stretch where he's had consistently good performances in a row, I think the only one was back in. It was, like, back in late May, early June. Yeah. And he had. He had a few almost. Almost quality starts in a row, but Then it's been like, okay, nice start. Next. Next time up. Oh, he goes a third of an inning.

[Dana Carvey]

All right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, no, we wouldn't be bringing up his name five years ago with this team.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know, but like, there's just like, what are the other options right now? You got two Tommy John guys. You got Christian Javier who hasn't pitched well in three years, and, and then you got Hunter Brown who's awesome, and Peter Lambert who's been really good this year. It's, it's a scary. And this is what's going to get Dana Brown fired. This is what's going to get him fired. Because not only, not only did he not go get some solutions for this team, but a few of these guys are his hand picked guys, you know, Imai in particular.

[Seth Payne]

Well, a few of these guys are his hand picked guys and some of his other hand pick guys are nowhere to be found working.

[Keelan Rutledge]

Right.

[Seth Payne]

That's like that. Whatever plan there was for the offseason, it just. This is, this has nothing to do with it. Whatever the hell is going on right now.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. So half game up in the, in the AL west, and, and look, Cam

[Seth Payne]

Smith had a good, had a, has had a good week, you know, so at some point, don't read too much into it, except that at some point, theoretically it's going to click for him and maybe this will, this will really be the deal. And then Altuve and how he fares over the second half of the season.

[Sean Pendergast]

He swung the bat a little bit better. My two things. I have two things. I'm rooting for Seth the rest of the year other than the Astros to make the playoffs. One is for Jordan Alvarez to win the Triple Crown because if he wins the Triple Crown, he's winning the mvp. So the two kind of go hand in hand. Number two, I want Cam Smith. I thought about this after the game on Friday when he hit the two bombs. I need him to finish with a better wins above replacement than Kyle Tucker this year. Oh, I need Cam Smith to actually be a better player at 1/60 of the cost than Kyle Tucker. And you may say, well, what good does that do the Astros, Sean? The whole Tucker thing's water under the bridge. Nothing. I just think it's supremely embarrassing for Kyle Tucker to have the second year right fielder that came over in the trade who's making the league minimum be. And right now, right now, Cam's almost

[Seth Payne]

double Kyle Tucker because of his defensive play. Yeah, Kyle Tucker right now sitting at a 0.7 war where he's usually up in the fours and fives and that's cumulative. So, you know, it's, it projects out to. Yeah. To a 1.4 or 1.3 or so on the season.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kyle Tucker would usually be.

[Seth Payne]

No, I'm saying Kyle Tucker. Yeah. Jack's out to a 1.3.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kyle Tucker would normally be like between three and four wins above replacement at this point. Yeah. And he's at 0.7. Cam Smith, 1.2. So these are the things I'm petty. These are the things I'm looking for for the rest of the season. All right, headlines. Coming up next. We will, we'll, we'll lay out the Astros again what they've got going on. A lot of news in the NFL, including news about a former Texan. Speaking of trades, that was big news over the weekend. Returning faces to Texans training camp that we will get to. We'll do all of that pain and

[Seth Payne]

Pendergast with today's headlines.

[D'Amico Ryan]

It's great seeing Jay Noel back out on the field. He's been working hard at it all, all off season, so it's good to have him back out doing football with us.

[Seth Payne]

All right, there you go.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was d'. Ameco Ryan's talking about Jalen Noel, wide receiver. He is back from the non football injury list. Boy, this is, this is a much clearer path to return to play than the last non football injury the Texans experienced. Joe Mixon last year.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this was very clear because we saw Jalen Noel out here working out and everything. And you could tell the first time I saw him working out on a side field, I thought, okay, well, there's, there's.

[Sean Pendergast]

And he had a sleeve on his finger.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, he had some kind of a bandage on his finger. And I was like, all right, his legs are just fine. He is a wide receiver. So the fingers do tend to matter.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

But the fact that when Casario had first said the, you know, talked about it, he said might be a few weeks, that's where I got a little bit nervous because, you know, was there a ligament damage or something? And I'm guessing I bet it was just a jammed finger and maybe a sprain or maybe a small break or something. But he should be out there.

[Sean Pendergast]

He's back.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, he's out there, but he should be out doing team stuff and everything. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep, he's back. And, and d' Amico Ryan has said this about Jalen Noel in what's A big for him. Year two coming up. He can play a big role on this team. Carving out that role demo. Ryan's talked about that Jalen has a

[D'Amico Ryan]

chance this year two, just. Again, like. Like I said about CJ is just getting more comfortable with what we're asking to do and what will be the defined role for him. How do we carve out that role to where he's doing that one thing and doing it really well? I thought he did a great job when we asked him to go back and return last year. Made some really nice productive returns for us in a pro return game. So. So I'm excited to see him to continue to build on his punt return and also finding that role on offense. Like, how can we find a way to get the ball in his hands multiple times a game?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, and I think like his. His explosiveness. I mean, the. That Chargers game, he just looked like he was shot out of a rocket on that touchdown reception that he had. Everything that we've heard Jaden Higgins say and everything that guys have said about Jaden Higgins, I think you can say about Jalen Noel. When it comes to learning the offense, understanding exactly where you're supposed to be and when you're supposed to be there on a route, all of those things Jalen Noel struggled with as well. I think Jaden Higgins just was a little bit ahead of the curve compared to Jalen Noel when it came to picking that stuff up. But I think both those guys, I mean, for one, they spend a lot of time with each other and they're both conscientious, they're both going to work at it. But I would expect that we come out here and we see Jalen Noel, similar to Jaden Higgins, be much more of a factor in these training camp practices and in the preseason games.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. Other news with the Texans from over the weekend. Jack Stonehouse, the free agent punter, undrafted free agent punter was cut. Kai Kroger is the only punter on the team right now. Frank Ross said in his media availability after practice on Saturday that consistency was the big thing. They wanted to kind of get this thing nailed down as to who the three specialists were gonna be. Yeah, they need to. They need to keep stirring the pot on the punter market.

[Seth Payne]

He didn't compliment Frank Ross didn't compliment Kai Kroger's punting ability. He complimented his holding, which is a big deal for Kaimi. You know, they don't want to just go out, get some dude that can boom the ball. But, you know, has Tony Romo Hands as a holder.

[Sean Pendergast]

Feet for hands. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So much like we were concerned about backup defensive end and then all of a sudden, lo and behold, they go out and get Jadevian Clowney. I think Jadevion. Now that Jadevion's been in the news a lot more. There's a lot of people mispronouncing his name and now it's filtered into me. So Jedevion Clowney, they went out and got him and I think, yeah, the. I will not be surprised at all right now, I would say is a greater than 50% chance that they either make a trade or pick up somebody off of waivers or something with a punter.

[Sean Pendergast]

They've already had some guys come through. We will see if they. They. They had two guys trying out last week. One of them was like the best punter in the UFL last year.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, yeah. Well. And with Kai Kroger, when they. When they acquired him initially, you looked at it and he's got all these advanced numbers and conventional numbers and everything that looked like he was one of the worst punters in the league. It's hard with specialists sometimes to parse out the signal. From the noise on that, I'm guessing there's some upside there that Casario thought he had, but so far we haven't seen it out here.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Seth Payne]

To the point where the. To the point where it actually. The damn punt people are freaking out over the punter, which I desperately don't want to participate in, but I have no.

[Sean Pendergast]

Well, but I think it says maybe how fortified the rest of the roster is. Man, you're looking for stuff to worry about.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if you have to look for it all that hard. If you are looking for it, look towards the sidelines, not deep downfield, you know, look like 30 yards to 30 yards downfield on the sideline where the ball's going out of bounds.

[Sean Pendergast]

Nico Collins, back at practice on Saturday, he. It seems like they're managing certain guys out here certain ways.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I think Stingley. Stingley wasn't out there. And afterwards Matt Burke said that it was just. Totally just a rest day. He's fine. Nico. Nico. I'm wondering just because it was a couple practices in a row, or was it two and three practices, doing a

[Sean Pendergast]

lot of stuff off to the side. It feels like more than most guys.

[Seth Payne]

But now he also, though he's missed time the last. Every year. He's missed time every year. So maybe they've got him On a, on a much stricter load management protocol to try to, you know, not that I don't know if getting a couple practices off in training camp doesn't probably keep you from getting concussion when your head bounces off the turf.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Last year was a little different. Right. Astros we just talked about, they lose two out of three to the Padres over the weekend. Still in first place, by the way. I need to mention baseball talk On Sports Radio 610 is presented by Xfinity. Score. The most reliable Wi Fi 1 price five years guaranteed. Xfinity. Imagine that. News in the NFL. The big news from over the weekend. This came down while we were at practice on Saturday. The news of this, at least the confirmation of it. Laramie Tunsall. Yeah, torn right triceps. Going to be out at least four months, maybe the entire season. For the Washington Commanders. They just gave him a big contract.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Highest paid in the NFL.

[Seth Payne]

He just turned 32 years old. I don't feel like this is indicative of. Okay, classic guy in his 30s. He's going to start having a bunch of tendon issues or anything, but it is, it is a little bit of an example of why the Texans traded him. Aside from swarm attributes or anything like that. He was making a boatload of money in the Texans. As we had already seen. Laramie Tunsil can only do so much for you as a really, really good pass protector when you've got issues at all the other four positions on the offensive line. And they needed, they needed more bodies out there. And the amount of money they're paying Laramie Tunsil, they've been able to spend a lot on bringing in guys like Ed Ingram and Trent Brown and now this year, Wyatt Teller and Braden Smith. And I'm still a okay with that trade now, more so especially now that he's not even available.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep, yep. So Laramie's going to be out for a good long time.

[Seth Payne]

That was a trade. Remember that. Like outside of Houston, people were wondering what the hell are the Texans doing? And it was almost unanimously praised inside of Houston.

[Sean Pendergast]

Tenderpole. 88% approval.

[Seth Payne]

88% approval.

[Sean Pendergast]

88%. Which is Maisel Be unanimous on. On Twitter.

[Seth Payne]

I feel like you're cherry picking polls. You always go back to this Pender poll. You know, I don't, I don't trust their sampling.

[Sean Pendergast]

I like the cut of that guy's jib. Pender. That puts it together. All right. And the Titans extend Peter Skaranski four years, 100 million. He's the highest paid guard in the NFL.

[Seth Payne]

Right now that's. You know what that if I remember correctly, Skronsky has a little alligator.

[Sean Pendergast]

He does, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So the Will Compton or not the. The people up in New England should be settling down about what's his name. Campbell.

[D'Amico Ryan]

Thank you.

[Seth Payne]

And Will Compton.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right, Pain and Pender gas with you here on a. On a Monday live out of Texas training camp. All right, let's get to it. Tank Dell met with the media on Friday. I think this was significant. I think the mere fact he was meeting with the media is significant. Am I reading too much into this? And Tank answered a lot of questions including what did he say to Jared Wayne after the injury where Jared Wayne collided with his knee. We've got all that and a whole lot more. We've got Acknowledge me coming up at 7:20. We got a busy Monday going on here on Payne and Pendergast. Stay there.

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[Jen Hatmaker]

Hey, it's Jen Hatmaker. Here's what I've learned in midlife. Joy isn't the reward you earn after all the work is done. Joy is the work. That's what this new series on for the Love is all about. The sacred yes. It's choosing delight, rest and pleasure on purpose. Because saying yes to yourself, that's the thing that finally lets you fill your table with everybody else. Come find your sacred yes, with me. Follow and listen to for the Love wherever you get your podcasts.