Draymond Opts Out - Does This Signify Warriors' "Big 4" Coming Together?

Summary

Payne & Pendergast – June 30, 2026

Episode Summary: Draymond Opts Out – Does This Signify Warriors' "Big 4" Coming Together?

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast take a closer look at breaking news: Draymond Green's decision to decline his $27.7 million player option with the Golden State Warriors. The hosts discuss whether this is the first domino in a dramatic plan to bring together a new "Big Four" of Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, and LeBron James in Golden State. The conversation also examines the real viability of such a super-team – given the advancing age and recent injury history of the principals – and draws comparisons to past NBA "super-teams" that struggled under the weight of expectations and Father Time.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Draymond Green’s Opt-Out: Signal or Leverage?

• Sean introduces the news (04:10) and lays out the strategic element behind Draymond’s choice, citing NBA insider Shams Charania’s explanation that this could provide the financial wiggle room for the Warriors’ contended “grand plan.”
• Sean: “Draymond Green declined his 27.7 million dollar player option... this is part of a broader plan for Golden State to really, I think, kind of take one last swing at this whole NBA title thing.” (04:10)

Shams Charania’s Breakdown (via soundbite, summarized)

• The "Big Four" would comprise Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis (AD), and LeBron James.
  • Draymond’s opt-out would allow him to sign a multi-year deal for less annually, creating needed flexibility.
  • AD would reportedly require a trade involving Jimmy Butler and draft capital.
  • LeBron could join via the mid-level exception.
• Quote: “AD and LeBron James would have to be a package deal … and in this sequencing of events, Draymond Green would opt out, as he did, to take a multi-year deal at less than 27 million a year.” (04:42)

Is This "Super-Team" a Real Contender?

Age & Injury Concerns

• Seth: “This would be the oldest collection of guys ganging up with each other that I can ever remember.” (06:32)
• The collective ages and wear-and-tear of LeBron, AD, Steph, and Draymond are flagged as significant red flags for actual title viability, even if the star power is eye-catching.
• Sean: “LeBron James is north of 40. Anthony Davis… he’s in his 30s and he’s got the body of a 50 year old. Steph Curry’s been dealing with injuries … Draymond Green isn’t getting any younger.” (06:33)

Super-Team Comparisons

• Hosts invoke the 2012–13 Lakers (Nash, Howard, Gasol, Bryant) as a cautionary tale.
  • Sean: “This was an old group … there was so much gushing about that team going into it and you’re like, alright. I mean, but you’ve got some serious questions and issues here. Just because the names are going to sell a lot of jerseys and everything and put butts in the seats… that people were acting like it was those guys in their prime all together.” (07:18)
• That Lakers team fizzled due to injuries and lack of cohesion, despite star power.

Warriors’ Prospects in the Modern West

• Seth downplays the threat to top current teams: “It’s certainly the biggest collection of names you could put together, but I don’t think it’s better than… the Spurs or the Thunder necessarily.” (07:09)
• Both hosts agree: If such a trade happens, the Warriors would need massive "load management" and a lot of luck to even get home-court advantage.
• As Rockets fans and analysts, neither host sees this hypothetical Big Four as a significant obstacle to Houston’s ambitions.

Draymond Green’s Actual Value in 2026

• Debate on whether Draymond still justifies "Big Four" billing or if his recognition is more about his profile than production.
  • Seth: “Sean Sharanya is calling this a big Four. Just cuz Draymond has a podcast and he’s a noteworthy and well-known name doesn’t mean he’s a good player anymore. Draymond’s not a good player anymore.” (12:25)
  • Sean tempers: “Yeah, he’s good player... he’s a quality starter, but he’s nothing near, like, oh, best in the league at this.” (12:43)
  • Memorable moment: Both admit they’d take Draymond on the Rockets for his intangibles and grit, despite diminishing skills.

Notable Banter, Humor & Cultural Commentary

• The opening segment features lighthearted discussion of Sean’s “five-point traffic stop plan” and audience reactions (01:30-04:10).

  • Sean: "When the officer asks you if you know why he pulled you over, you need to be as brutally honest as possible because they never get that."
  • Seth: "If you can say down to the mile per hour how fast you were going, you’re an outlier." (03:17)
  • Laughter about audience texts and Sean's supposed habit of "going Karen" on police officers.

• Closing minutes: Listeners text in with comments, including a tongue-in-cheek story about stinky police officers, which spirals into jokes about teenagers and nostalgia for locker room smells (13:40-14:52).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Warriors’ ambitious plan:

• Seth (04:10): “Draymond Green declined his 27.7 million dollar player option... this is part of a broader plan for Golden State to really, I think, kind of take one last swing at this whole NBA title thing.”
• Sean (06:33): “This would be an old team... hoping to stay out of the play-in. In a best case, they’re getting home court in the first round.”

On invalid “Big Four” hype:

• Seth (12:25): “Just ‘cause Draymond has a podcast and he’s a noteworthy and well known name doesn’t mean he’s a good player anymore.”
• Sean (12:43): “Yeah, he’s good player. He’s just not anybody you would attach to like ‘oh yeah, he’s the marquee guy or the attraction.’”

On NBA super-team failures:

• Sean (07:18): “Just because the names are going to sell a lot of jerseys and everything and put butts in seats... people were acting like it was those guys in their prime all together.”

On team construction vs. reality:

• Seth (07:09): “It’s certainly the biggest collection of names you could put together, but I don’t think... they’re competing with the Spurs or the Thunder necessarily.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Draymond Green Opts Out / Shams details the “Big Four” scenario: 04:10–05:31
• Comparisons to past “old” super-teams (the Nash/Kobe/Howard Lakers): 07:18–08:53
• Discussion of current NBA landscape and Warriors’ actual competitive chances: 06:32–09:59
• Debate on whether Draymond is actually still a “Big Four” level player: 12:25–13:19
• Humorous banter and listener texts: 13:40–14:52

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is sharp, irreverent, and skeptical about the latest NBA free agency rumor mill. While the potential of a Warriors "Big Four" is titillating from a media/fan perspective, Payne and Pendergast forcefully argue that the basketball reality is likely underwhelming given the age and health of the assembled stars. Their Houston-first perspective keeps the hype in check, with plenty of trademark banter and (sometimes, ridiculous) off-topic humor.

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Transcript

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[Podcast Host Seth]

We might have to we might have to reset the Rossini audio from earlier. Seth yeah, your your five point plan to interact with police officers on a traffic stop got a lot of, a lot of reaction from our audience.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

You know what? In based on some of the responses, I'm guessing because people are claiming that they've tried all of these and it hasn't worked. Which a. Yeah, sometimes it's not going to work. B the this is the part that people don't listen to or don't realize how, how, how literal I'm being about this. When the officer asks you if he if you know why he pulled you over, you need to be as brutally honest as possible because they never get that. And I think that's probably the key to kind of just like opening up a window of like, oh, this guy's actually wow, what a good dude. He told me exactly how fast he was going. Everybody always says, I was going a few miles per hour over, oh, was I going that fast? Oh, did I do that? If you are brutally honest about what you did, that they so rarely hear that, that I think it just kind of softens everything up a little bit. And the other thing though, too, and there's not a lot you can do about this. If you've already got some points on your license. It helps a lot to have a clean driving record.

[Podcast Host Seth]

For sure.

[NBA Analyst]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

So for the guy who said, I've tried this and it's never worked, like, okay, so that tells me that multiple times you've gotten tickets, with each ensuing ticket, it gets harder and harder.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

If you're, if you're a guy. So you gotta just do yourself a favor and try to be a law abiding citizen until those points clear off your license. And try it when you've got a clean slate, because they're much more likely to let you off if you don't have a, you know, a speckled driving history. We'll read some of it, but be brutally honest.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Brutally honest?

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Like if you can say down to the mile per hour, how fast you were going, you're an outlier.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

And usually if you're paying attention, this is the other part of it too. If you're paying attention and you see when the cop got you that, I don't know, I think my suspicion has always been that, like, okay, the guy realizes I was at least paying attention as opposed to mindlessly just driving on at whatever speed and then being completely unaware of your surroundings. Yep. So, yeah, if you're like, yeah, I was going 80 when I came over that hill. And, you know, it helps if, like, as soon as, don't. Don't slam on the brakes when you see the cop.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Right, right.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

But just slow down to the speed limit when you see him come up behind you. Just be ready to pull over once he turns his lights on.

[Podcast Host Seth]

As far over to the right as you can possibly safely go.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

But be that. But the part that people will skip is you have to be brutally honest about what you did.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Okay, I like that. We'll read some of the texts here in a minute. Let's get to Sham Sharanya from yesterday. This was on ESPN News coming out yesterday, to some somewhat surprise, I guess, that Draymond Green declined his 27.7 million dollar player option. That headline surprised people. Sean Sharanya, though, lays out how this is part of a broader plan for Golden State to really, I think, kind of take one last swing at this whole NBA title thing. The whole.

[NBA Analyst]

The warriors in the last several days formulated a grand plan of putting together a big four of Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, and LeBron James. But in order to do that, they needed the flexibility of Draymond Green opting out of his contract. $27.7 million. Opt out. There was an expectation in the last week, several weeks, that Draymond Green would be opting in, but he's now opting out. And so AD and LeBron James would have to be a package deal in order to come to, to Golden State and team up with Green and Steph Curry. And in this sequencing of events, Draymond Green would opt out, as he did to take a multi year deal at less than 27 million a year. AD would require a trade of Jimmy Butler and draft capital. And then that would mean LeBron James potentially at the mid level. Exception.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Okay, so this is what Shams calls a big four. And this first move to set everything in motion is Draymond Green opting out of his deal. We won't get too deep in the weeds on the NBA and the salary cap and how it all works, but he would. Opting out of his deal gives them the flexibility that they can go make these moves. Dre, they can always bring Draymond back. And, and if, and if it doesn't work out, if this is just LeBron posturing to get more from the Lakers, if this is Anthony Davis posturing maybe to get an extension from the Wizards, which is where he is now, if you haven't been keeping track of, um, then Draymond Green can always just go back and sign a one year, $27 million deal, which is what he would have opted into in the first place if he, you know, so Draymond's gonna come out of this hole, he may come out of it with a longer deal with more guaranteed money at an advanced age. The most interesting thing about all this, Seth, is that this would be the oldest collection of guys ganging up with each other that I can ever remember. LeBron James.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Seth]

LeBron James is north of 40. Anthony Davis, not sure how old. He's in his 30s and he's got the body of a 50 year old. Steph Curry's been dealing with injuries the last couple of years, and Draymond Green isn't getting any younger. Draymond Green, if I'm, if my math is right, Draymond might be the youngest out of all of them. And he's in his mid-30s right now. Like, this would be an old team that probably is looking at itself more like. I think this would be an old team. They would probably load. Manage like crazy in a real world. Would probably just hope to stay out of the play. In. You know, there may be a. In a. In a. Best case, they're getting home court in the first round.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Cause I don't think this. It's certainly the biggest collection of names you could put together, but I don't think it's better than. I like, I don't think they're competing with the spurs or the Thunder necessarily.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Feels to me. And I know this would be older, but this was an old group. The first one that always jumps to my mind when you throw together old big names was the 2012, 2013 Lakers with Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, Paul Gasol, and Kobe Bryant.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah, like that. And it was. It was like people. There was so much gushing about that team going into it, and you're like, all right. I mean, but you've got some serious questions and issues here. Just because the names are going to sell a lot of jerseys and everything and put butts in the seats. That's not that. That. That people were. People were acting like it was those guys in their prime altogether.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Check. That's a good one. I wonder. I Wonder which group. LeBron being 41 now alone, probably pushes this group. But it's. But it's a great analogy because it would be an ensemble cast being brought together, hoping that you can blend this whole thing. And I don't know what the injury situation was with all of those guys at the time.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Steve Nash was at that point, he was 38 years old when the Lakers signed up.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Okay. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

And, you know, it was. I mean, it just. It was. It was just for it to really work out, it would have to be like, okay, all these guys have a resurgence into what they used to be.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Well, it didn't work. I mean, it worked so poorly. Dwight Howard signed with the Rockets the next year.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Right.

[Podcast Host Seth]

He didn't. He didn't go back to la.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Dwight Howard was kind of the young guy in that book.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

And I mean, at that point, Kobe was 34 years old.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah. Dwight was probably still in his 20s at that point.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah, yeah. He was young, but he was also an imperfect, you know, Dwight. Dwight was Dwight. Yep. Dwight was. Whatever the hell Dwight was. Well, he's in his 20s, but he'd

[Podcast Host Seth]

been around a decade already. He came in the league in 04. If I'm not mistaken, Paucasol was still,

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

I mean, he still had a lot of years after that. I don't know how old he was at that time. Yeah, he was 32. He was so young. So really, see, see, it was, you know what it was? It was the, it was the Steve Nash part of it that was really annoying, was that I like he was 39 years old and people were acting like, oh, yeah. But because he's got all of these guys that he's working with that it doesn't matter his experience, he was going to be what Tom Brady would one day become. A guy that could just be such a mastermind at distributing the ball that it didn't matter how old he was.

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curious, check it [e-mail] I as a basketball fan, I want this to happen. I think I'm super intrigued by it. I'm super intrigued to see what it would look like. Medically with all these guys for a year together, you know, they're all guy. Even LeBron has dealt with stuff over the last. I mean, Anthony Davis has heard all the time. Steph Curry's been having knee problems the last couple of years. You know, Draymond Green is an older player. Draymond Green might be older than all those guys, but Steve Nash that you were talking about on that Lakers team back in 2013, I. I want to see this happen. I don't know how big a title threat they would be as a Rockets fan. It doesn't really affect me. Like I. If you're a Rockets fan, the Rockets are trying to compete on the level of the spurs and the Thunder. Does this make the Western. I don't like. Does this make the Western Conference harder? I don't know. Is LeBron a bigger threat playing with Luka or is he a bigger threat playing with three old dudes that are, you know, when they're good, they're good players, but they're. They haven't been available all the time.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Right.

[Podcast Host Seth]

I think there's a chance this team goes into the playoffs and at least one of these guys isn't playing.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

That's where. No, I think that when you've got one or two possibly old guys who aren't at their physical peak anymore, then yeah, that experience can make a big difference.

[Podcast Host Seth]

None of these guys are getting physical peak anymore.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Right. That's what I mean. Like. Like that you need to. Hopefully you've got it. As a guy that's also helping younger. You help younger guys be a better version of themselves. Yep. And then by their sheer athleticism and explosiveness and everything, they make you a better version of yourself because it takes some of the pressure off if you. This doesn't feel like that.

[Podcast Host Seth]

I'm a little offended too. On behalf of all the previous big threes out there or big Fours, that Sean Sharon is calling this a big Four. Just cause Draymond has a podcast and he's a noteworthy and well known name doesn't mean he's a good player anymore. Draymond's not a good player anymore. Like a big Four. He's a big.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah, he's good player. He's just not. He's not anybody you would attach to the. To. To like. Oh yeah, he's the marquee guy or the attraction.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, still, he's. He puts in effort at the D. I mean, I'll give Draymond credit. Like he's a good player as far

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

as like, yeah, he's a capable starter. Like, yeah, he's. Yeah. Like I'm saying, good. Only that he's. He's. He's a quality starter, but he's nothing near, like, oh, best in the league at this.

[Podcast Host Seth]

No, no, that's it. But like, a big four, like, right?

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

No. Yeah, Definitely not.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I take him on the Rockets. I would just. I think he bring. He would bring something, this team, because

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

he's a good player.

[Podcast Host Seth]

He's. He's a good player. But any. And specifically, he. He does have that dog in him, you know, he. Draymond. I know. I know he's dirty, probably, and he whines a lot to referees. Um, but I'd be. I'd be here for it. Um. Okay. Text message. What if the cop has been wor. This is somebody texting me about how I act with cops.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Seth]

When I get pulled over. What if the cop has been working all day and he's kind of sweaty and stinky and maybe Sean's gonna call another cop to rat out the cop for being sweaty and stinky.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Sean will go, Karen, on your ass. That's probably. You know, the biggest thing Sean does that probably keeps him from getting out of tickets is he. He takes his phone out and says, I'm recording this. Just so you know, I'm recording this. You don't have the right. And then he's got a little. He's got a little printout from the Internet about his constitutional rights. Yep, exactly. You don't even have the right to be doing this.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yep. I have the Bill of Rights on a Kindle in the shotgun next to me. Yes.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

I pulled this up. I pulled this up before I even pulled over.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah. I stand by my Karen Ness with those two stinky, sweat, smelly little teenagers.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

They were sitting in the wrong seats, and they were sitting next to you.

[Podcast Host Seth]

Yeah, yeah, they stunk. They weren't their seats. I don't have to sit next to them.

[Podcast Co-host Sean]

Nostalgic when I hear it. When I smell sweaty teenagers for, like, it reminds me of, like, high school locker room everything. Stop it. How could you possibly. Oh, just get your mind out of wherever your mind is.

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Those. Those kids. Those. They stunk, man. There was no nostalgia.

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