Find out who's tomorrow's guest are on 95.7 The Fan!

Summary

Payne & Pendergast Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Find out who's tomorrow's guest are on 95.7 The Fan!
Date: August 12, 2026
Hosts: Seth Payne & Sean Pendergast (with "Craig Thomas" occasionally referenced, likely an alias or mistake in transcript)
Podcast: Payne & Pendergast, Audacy
Theme: Announcement of the switch to FM (95.7 The Fan), special guests for the station's big debut, and spirited discussion of Houston sports with focus on Texans training camp.

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Overview of the Episode

This episode serves as a celebratory build-up to the Payne & Pendergast show's major transition from the AM dial to FM at 95.7 The Fan. The hosts enthusiastically reveal the star-studded lineup of guests for the very first day on the new station and discuss what this switch means for listeners. The sports analysis remains sharp, with lively banter around Texans training camp, the Rockets, Astros, and NFL stadiums’ turf/grass debates. The episode also features an in-depth interview with John Harris, Texans sideline reporter and NFL draft expert, especially focused on Houston Texans’ evolving offense and rookie dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Big Switch: Moving to 95.7 The Fan (00:15–07:00)

• Excitement for Transition: The station’s move from AM to FM set for “8:00 a.m. tomorrow,” with the hosts simulating a literal “big switch” in-studio to mark the occasion.
• Why FM Matters: Sean and Seth break down why quality and accessibility make FM more desirable, emphasizing improved sound and easier access for casual listeners.
  • Quote (12:05): “People care more about the quality than they consciously realize… just more people listen to FM.” — Seth Payne
• Celebrating the Moment: All station teammates will join the studio party to mark this milestone.

2. Star-Studded Guest Line-up Revealed (01:19–08:00)

• In honor of Houston’s sports legacy, the show pays homage to decades of Houston teams by booking three major guests across the football, baseball, and basketball worlds.
• Guest Announcements:
  • 8:20 a.m. – J.J. Watt
    • Hall of fame Texans defensive lineman.
    • Quote (03:07): “J.J. Watt, hall of Fame defensive lineman. Many people would argue even better than Seth Payne—the other greatest defensive lineman in history. Some would say, some would…” — Seth Payne
    • Watt is living in Houston and is excited for the transition.
  • 9:00 a.m. – Roger Clemens
    • Legendary Astros pitcher and multiple Cy Young winner, live from Iowa, discussing his son Cody’s Field of Dreams appearance.
    • Quote (04:34): “Roger Clemens...in my opinion, the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball.” — Craig Thomas/Sean Pendergast
  • 9:40 a.m. – Rudy Tomjanovich
    • Hall of Fame coach of Rockets’ 90s championship teams.
    • Quote (06:14): “No one has ever done what this team's done...We had nonbelievers all along the way. I have one thing to say, those nonbelievers, don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion.” — Rudy Tomjanovich (iconic quote replayed; hosts reflect on its legacy at 06:38).
• Hosts’ Reflections:
  • Happy to include representation from Texans, Astros, and championship-era Rockets.
  • Hosts joke about the theme of “physically large” guests (05:04).

3. Texans/NFL Field Turf, Injury, and Stadium Debates (08:12–11:17)

• World Cup Brings NFL Turf Debate: Ongoing conversation (prompted by J.J. Watt’s social posts) on why NFL doesn’t universally use natural grass like World Cup soccer.
  • Explains weight and force of NFL linemen make grass maintenance far more difficult than in soccer.
  • Hosts share personal (and painful) anecdotes about the hazards of both turf and grass, particularly the infamous NRG Stadium "pallet system."
  • Quote (10:05): “I had injuries on turf that might not have happened on grass, but I also think I had some injuries on grass that might not have happened on turf.” — Seth Payne
• Listener Questions: Guidance for listeners about streaming and finding the show post-switch, underlining the ease of transition for digital listeners (11:29).

4. Lively Host Banter & Sidetracks (13:06–15:51)

• Amusing aside about what hosts would or wouldn’t do for $36 million—including sitting in pig manure or getting slapped by a “burly man”.
• Memorable Moment (14:34): Producer Job Tennant jumps at a chance to slap Seth for an on-air stunt, which leads to nostalgic reflections on childhood discipline.
• Light-hearted, self-deprecating humor and camaraderie punctuate the episode throughout.

5. Focus on Texans Training Camp: In-depth Interview with John Harris (16:19–31:55)

• Camp Optimism: Harris gives a measured but positive outlook—offense making visible progress but still unproven against top-tier defenses.
  • Quote (17:32): “There just seems to be much more synergy in the offense. Everybody seems to know what they're doing.” — John Harris
• Offensive Line Improvement: Key takeaways about O-line showing more uniformity and aggression—especially in the run game, even if big plays are rare.
  • Focus on rookie center Keelan Rutledge as standout performer.
  • Quote (26:31): “I think Keelan Rutledge right now is the best offensive lineman, period, on this roster.” — John Harris (hot take)
  • Detailed discussion on Rutledge’s skills, versatility, and advanced play even as a rookie (28:11–31:08).
• Rookies Impressing in Camp:
  • Control and aggression highlighted as culture shift under Coach DeMeco Ryans.
  • Mutual agreement among hosts and Harris that the entire rookie class has shown flashes of real promise.
• Quick Hit: Harris calls out Colin Wright as a likely roster lock due to camp competition at cornerback (31:16).
• Preparation and Culture: Extended reflection (33:08–37:09) on how the Texans’ draft focused on finding culture “fit”—players who match DeMeco Ryans’ identity for the team.

6. Rockets, NBA Schedule, and Reputation Talk (37:09–40:30)

• Rockets Not on NBA Christmas Day Schedule: Hosts surprised and a bit annoyed the star-stacked young team did not make the day’s slate, especially after acquiring Kevin Durant.
• Discussion on “Running It Back”: Hosts note majority of the Rockets’ core returns and could still compete for a title, despite national skepticism.
  • Quote (39:27): “I'm way more comfortable just saying, yeah, you know what? This is what we were supposed to be looking at in September of 2025, but we weren't able to do it. So let's just do the same damn thing.”

7. Humor and Cultural Notes

• Lighthearted debate about Christmas dinner traditions.
• Seth jokes about Christian symbolism and religious food customs, ending with:
  • Quote (41:47): “This ham is symbolic and tasty.”

8. Episode Wrap-up and Teasers (41:51–42:41)

• Promises "petty cast" segment (where hosts air out pet peeves) moves to the next hour due to busy show.
• Promos for related shows and fantasy football podcasts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “No one has ever done what this team's done... don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion.”
  — Rudy Tomjanovich (replayed by hosts, 06:14–06:38)
• “People care more about the quality than they consciously realize... just more people listen to FM.”
  — Seth Payne (12:05)
• “J.J. Watt, hall of Fame defensive lineman. Many people would argue even better than Seth Payne—the other greatest defensive lineman in history. Some would say, some would…”
  — Seth Payne, joking (03:07)
• “I think Keelan Rutledge right now is the best offensive lineman, period, on this roster.”
  — John Harris (26:31)
• “If you value competition as they talk about Colin Wright has to make it. He's been, he's been phenomenal.”
  — John Harris (31:16, on Texans rookie)
• “I'm way more comfortable just saying...let's just do the same damn thing. And they should be a better team than people think they are.”
  — Seth Payne, on Rockets (39:27)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:15–07:00: Big switch details, why FM matters, and setting up the “countdown” for tomorrow’s transition.
• 08:00–08:12: Guest announcements (J.J. Watt, Roger Clemens, Rudy Tomjanovich) and their times.
• 08:12–11:17: NFL stadiums, turf vs. grass debate, and personal injury experiences.
• 13:06–15:51: Humorous banter—$36 million pig manure challenge, slapping stories.
• 16:19–31:55: Extended in-depth Texans camp discussion with John Harris.
• 37:09–41:47: Rockets, NBA Christmas schedule, and running-it-back debate.
• 41:51–42:41: Segment wrap-up, upcoming “petty cast,” podcast promos.

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Episode Takeaways

• The show’s FM transition is not just technical—it’s a moment of pride and growth for the hosts and their loyal H-Town sports audience.
• Tomorrow’s special guest lineup serves as a tribute to Houston’s rich sports legacy and offers listeners a reason to tune in for the historic first FM broadcast.
• Texans’ optimism is rising, especially around rookie talent and improved offensive cohesion—though the jury’s still out until regular season play.
• The hosts’ candid, often self-deprecating humor keeps the show approachable and entertaining, even for non-Houston locals.
• Rockets’ perceived national slight on the NBA schedule is both a chip-on-the-shoulder motivator and a sports culture talking point.

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Final Notes

This episode captures the energy of a sports talk show at a pivotal station moment—balancing nostalgia, celebration, analysis, and plenty of playful banter to keep listeners engaged, informed, and eager for the next broadcast on the new FM home.

Transcript

[Seth Payne]

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[Josh Radner]

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[Seth Payne]

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[Josh Radner]

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[Craig Thomas]

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[Josh Radner]

you get your podcasts.

[Craig Thomas]

All right, welcome back Pain and Pendergast with you here on Sports Radio 610 for 24 more hours. Yeah, 24 hours from now, Seth. We make the big switch. 23 hours and 57 minutes to be exact. And so it's. It's really cool. I love that it's happening during our show here right in the. In the, in the morning. Right. The heart of drive time. It's gonna be a big moment for the station tomorrow. We're gonna figuratively count it down and then figuratively pull the switch.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, there's a big old switch.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Like in the movies, be a big party up. They never show the whole body of the person pulling the switch. It's just a hand on a big switch, like it's a nuclear reactor.

[Job Tennant]

Clunk.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Clunk it out like you're bringing Frankens monster to life.

[Craig Thomas]

That's it. Yeah, that's it. And all the fellows will be up here, be in studio with us, all of our teammates. So celebrating. That's going to be great. And we wanted to make sure that we had guests that were commensurate with the magnitude of the day.

[Jai]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And also kind of paid homage to the last 30 years of sports radio in this town.

[Craig Thomas]

Absolutely. I wanted to make sure. We want to make sure that you pay homage to the Texans, who have been a great partner of ours since inception for them and will continue to be. We wanted to pay homage to the Houston Rockets, won a couple of championships back in the day, and to the Houston Astros, who've won a couple championships in more recent times.

[Seth Payne]

I remember those. Yep.

[Craig Thomas]

And we wanted to also pay homage to like the 90s, the early 2000s, and what I'll call maybe like the more modern era, like the teens to the present, kind of. So I think we accomplished this with this guest list. So let's start right out of the shoot. People have been wondering who will be the first guest in the history of the new station. 95. 7 the Fan.

[Jai]

Dalton gets the snap, throws it. It's intercepted. Watt takes it across the 15, 10, 5. Rock and roll. Touchdown, Texans. Pick six. Just like that, the Texans take the lead. And Reliance Stadium has erupted.

[Seth Payne]

I'm incredibly honored and thankful to be

[Josh Radner]

a part of your Family forever. And all I want to say is H town. I love you. Thank you.

[Craig Thomas]

J.J. watt will be the first guest in the history of 95.

[Seth Payne]

7, the Phantom Former defensive lineman for the Houston. If you don't know, you don't know. We'll explain that when we're on 95. 7. Yeah, it's gonna be a big new one. Yeah, no, we're excited about this. JJ. JJ is excited about us going on FM2.

[Craig Thomas]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

To the point where he's jabbed us a couple times. I sent him a clip from our show last week where we really sucked and he was like, he's like, boy, you guys are really going to take the world by.

[Josh Radner]

No, no.

[Craig Thomas]

He's like, I better come on with you guys now before they find a different show in the morning.

[Seth Payne]

So, J.J. watt, hall of Fame defensive lineman. Many people would argue even better than Seth Payne, the other greatest defensive lineman in history. Some would, some would say. Some would say, some would. No, I'm excited. I'm excited that he's excited. Yeah, that was really, I was, I was very flattered that he, that he's coming out.

[Craig Thomas]

He said he would be honored to do it and so, so I confirmed with him yesterday and he's good to go. So JJ, 8:20. Yeah, 8:20am So 8:00am we're switching over and we're going to big celebration in here. And then at 8:20 promptly.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

JJ walk well.

[Seth Payne]

And true to his word in that hall of Fame speech, you know, he, he, he, he came back and he's living here now. Yes. Which is, it's, he spent that couple of years post retirement where I don't know, he probably had like 29 houses spread around all over the place. And he's like, oh, okay, again, I've got all these to choose from. I like I'm going to be in Houston.

[Craig Thomas]

It's great. Yeah, it's great. So J.J. watt, 8:20am but we're not done.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

9am 9am Tomorrow be here because

[Jai]

rounded the first. This will do it. Roger Clemens has joined an exclusive club. He wins his 300th game. Only the 21st man in big league history to accomplish that honor. 7,500 men have thrown pitch in the big leagues and Roger clemens only the 21st to pick up 300 wins. Congratulations to the Rocket.

[Craig Thomas]

Roger Clemens, former Astro Legis Cy Young winner with the Astros. Six other Cy Young awards he won along the way. A Houston legend and, and just in my opinion, the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball. And I've said That for a long, long time. He will join us, Roger Clemens. At 9am We've got.

[Seth Payne]

You know what? Not only. Okay, we've got a couple of heavy hitters already, but physically large human beings. I can see the theme you're going with here. Yeah. The protection as much.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

We got to get big names who are also gigantic individuals.

[Craig Thomas]

Yes.

[Seth Payne]

And at. At 8:00am Central tomorrow. Well, that's when we make the switch.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Make the switch at 8am is 95.7 on Central Time. Is that the. Yes, Seth. It's going to be. Not quite sure how the time zones work.

[Craig Thomas]

Yep. So 8:20, J.J. watt, 9am Roger Clemens, the rocket is going to join us. He's actually joining us live from Iowa because his son Cody, who plays for the Minnesota Twins. The Twins are playing the Phillies in the Field of Dreams game tomorrow.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, cool.

[Craig Thomas]

So he's going to be in Iowa. He's in Iowa for the game. But he texted me and said, I've got a window at 9am yeah, can do it at 9am I said, perfect. That slides it. That slides in perfect. Because Seth and I are on the air at 9am we will be.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

You know we can fit you in.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Craig Thomas]

They make that switch that JJ is anticipating sometime in the first hour of the history of the station. They can take the ball away from us. I don't think they will. So 9am Roger Clemens.

[Seth Payne]

All right.

[Craig Thomas]

We're not done because we don't have any Rockets representation yet. We've not represented the championship years of the 90s with the Houston Rockets. So let's do that right now.

[Jai]

No one has ever done what this team's done, come from the sixth seed down in series. One. We won nine road games and we had nonbelievers all along the way. I have one thing to say, those non believers, don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion.

[Craig Thomas]

I still get chills 30 years later.

[Seth Payne]

Such a great quote. It's one of those quotes that's so great that people, a lot of people that use it don't even know who gave the quote.

[Craig Thomas]

That's true.

[Seth Payne]

That's how iconic a quote it is.

[Craig Thomas]

Rudy Tomjanovich, hall of Famer is gonna join us at 9:40am tomorrow.

[Seth Payne]

You know, okay. Of those three guys, JJ is currently working in media and we'll probably talk about some of the current NFL and everything too. So I remember there's a bunch of people who on the FM dial are just discovering us. So, you know, I was wondering, like, how much should we Talk about days gone by, but also current stuff right now. Yeah. And you know, Roger is very plugged in as well. Tom Jonovich. I might have to like, he might be the one where we actually have like biting questions about the Rockets. Exactly. Hey, like, hey, Rudy, congratulations on incredible life and career and everything. But seriously, what the hell are they doing? What with this running back and. Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

About burner accounts.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what, that's actually okay. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, I'd like his perspective on, on the whole social media dynamic and everything.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but we, I think we've got it covered. We've got Texans, Rockets, astros, we've got 90s, 2000s and then closer to the current day. And tomorrow's going to be perfect, man. Tomorrow's going to be great. It's a huge day for us here at the station. Again, 8:20am, J.J. watt, first guest ever on the new 957 the Fan, 9 o', clock, Roger Clemens, 9:40, Rudy, Tom Jones.

[Seth Payne]

You know what I actually do want to ask with JJ in terms of current stuff is the, because of the World cup and all these football stadiums, stadiums having grass, natural grass in there instead of their artificial surfaces, and all these NFL players like George Kittle and everybody have been saying, oh, look at this, why can't the NFL do it? JJ's had a few tweets at times kind of explaining the difference. And one of the big differences is like that soccer players weigh 165 pounds and that it's just a lot easier to have grass that's repaired for guys who are 165 pounds and rarely. I'm not a soccer expert, but you're not allowed to combo block defensive tackle in soccer the way you can. So like if you just think about. That's a wreck about the demands on the turf when you've got two 320 pound guys trying to combo block another 320 pound guy. It's a whole different dynamic. And then the other part of it too is, look, people have asked d' Ameco about this and d' Amico didn't really give an answer. And I'll tell you, look, d' Amico and I are in the same boat. Neither of us are a fan of that old pallet system because we both had catastrophic injuries on that.

[Craig Thomas]

Miko had two.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Craig Thomas]

One is a Texan and one is an Eagle.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, the Texans were. When they, when we started that in 2002, it was, oh, it's this revolutionary new Technology they're gonna be able to use for this pallet system. It sucked. So I don't know if the science has improved that much more in pallet systems in the last 20 years. I got no. I want no part of it.

[Craig Thomas]

Arizona, they have grass that they bring in.

[Seth Payne]

It's one big pal that they grow, and then like. Yeah, they wheel. Then that's a whole different deal.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah. Yeah. Here it would have to be the puzzle pieces like they had before.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

That was not good.

[Seth Payne]

No, it wasn't good at all.

[Craig Thomas]

It didn't look good either.

[Seth Payne]

Well, you could see the scenes if it got bad.

[Craig Thomas]

You could, right? You could. You could see squares.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. I was having. I was talking to somebody about this the other day, and it's funny because they always have these studies that come out, and the NFLPA will put one out that says that artificial turf is the most murderous thing that ever was. And the NFL will have a study that comes out and says, well, look, actually, the rates are different, I would say, from. From my perspective and just having actually physically felt it. I think there are some injuries because I had a bunch of. I had a bunch of injuries. I think I had some injuries on turf that might not have happened on grass, but I also think I had some injuries on grass that might not have happened on turf. Because there's times people, I say, well, your foot gets stuck in the turf, like. Yeah. There's times where I really wish my foot had stuck in the turf.

[Craig Thomas]

Right.

[Seth Payne]

So I could be in a position of strength instead of slipping.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And vice versa. Yeah. On turf, my foot got stuck where I don't think on grass it would have, and I got injured.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

But I think overall, though, I like. I stand on that turf in the bubble. Those practices, I don't know if you ever notice I'm stretching the whole time. I'm in there for, like, 10 minutes, and my back starts tightening up and.

[Craig Thomas]

Oh, really?

[Seth Payne]

There is just something about. Even though the. Even though it's nice and soft and it's field serving, it's all. It's on a concrete platform, and it just doesn't. It's just. It feels tougher on your joints.

[Craig Thomas]

Oh, man, I feel bad for you ever.

[Seth Payne]

I just kind of tighten up, that's all. It might be psychosomatic. It might just be, you know, like, immediately, like, here we go.

[Craig Thomas]

Yep. People weighing in on the announcement or the. The. The change over tomorrow. People still have questions. Guys, I have to stream you all from work. Do I go to 95? 7 to stream. To stream your station. I can't have your video stream on my monitor. Nothing changes with the Odyssey app.

[Seth Payne]

Nothing changes with the Odyssey app or YouTube.

[Craig Thomas]

Right.

[Seth Payne]

You're still there.

[Craig Thomas]

Still there.

[Seth Payne]

But you just. And if you be a new logo on the. If you prefer listening on 610, it's. You can. It's a.95. 7 is just a better quality.

[Craig Thomas]

That's right.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

That's right. Yeah. We'll be simulcasting every day on 95. 7 the Fan, and it'll be 6, 10 the Fan starting at 8am tomorrow.

[Seth Payne]

And sometimes people wonder this too. Like. Well, like, what's the difference anyway if people don't care that much about the quality and everything? A, people care more about the quality than they consciously realize. It's just a better. It's a better experience when it's a crisp, clear signal. B, people are way lazier than we as humans are way lazier than we will ever accept. And, yeah, the challenge of the hurdles that it takes to switch from FM to am, it is an obstacle, and it does keep some families from listening to as much AM radio because they're just on the FM dial. That's what your kids or your wife has had it on or your husband has had it on. And it just. Yeah, it's one extra step in the process. So just more people listen to fm.

[Announcer]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

And so it's. It's a. It's so. So ideally, we can, theoretically, what we hope is more revenue, which means more giveaways.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Jai]

For our.

[Seth Payne]

For our loyal AM listeners.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah. Yes, absolutely. And. And I'll treat you to more drinks if I see out and about. If I can afford the drinks. I'll treat you when I see you out and about.

[Seth Payne]

This is a man who just volunteered to sit in a vat of pig manure for. For a mere $36 million. He was gonna do it for two years straight.

[Craig Thomas]

That was you.

[Jai]

I.

[Seth Payne]

Well, I did. But then you said you would too, right?

[Jai]

No, no, no.

[Craig Thomas]

I said I'd take a slap across the face.

[Seth Payne]

Just one slap.

[Craig Thomas]

No, I would not do the p. Not do the pig and pigment or. But I would walk in and get slapped in the face. That was once a day, right?

[Seth Payne]

It was once a day by a burly man.

[Craig Thomas]

But you said.

[Seth Payne]

Burly man.

[Craig Thomas]

But you said you wouldn't even do it once.

[Seth Payne]

I wouldn't do it once, and this is why. It's been a long time since I been slapped by a person. And it was, I think, the last time I did it. Was my mom when I had it coming to me at some point.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Don't freak out, kids. It used to be pretty normal back there.

[Craig Thomas]

Used to be.

[Seth Payne]

I'm like, yeah, I've had my mouth washed out with soap by my grandma.

[Jai]

That happened.

[Seth Payne]

That's not just an excuse. Yeah, diarrhea.

[Craig Thomas]

For the next four days, I sassed

[Seth Payne]

my mom and I had it coming. And I got slapped and slapped in the face. But so I hadn't been slapped by a person in a long, long time. And we kind of. We were talking about it when Job Tennant, who's now an attorney at law, is our producer. And Job, I just like, I kind of threw it out there. I was like, job, you know what? Would you come in here and just slap me? I just want to see what it feels like. And Job, he's not a big guy. I've never seen a guy jump out of his chair so quickly. There was no, like, are you sure? He went from the producer's booth to standing in front of me and I was like, all right, let me brace myself.

[Craig Thomas]

What did you do to Job?

[Seth Payne]

And Job, this is the thing that you don't realize about getting slapped is that Job hauled off. And he's not a huge dude, but he's got more pent up fury than I realized. And it's the heel of the hand that kind of hit me upside.

[Craig Thomas]

He didn't get you with the top of the palm and the fingers.

[Seth Payne]

He got me with it. It was the heel of the hand hit my jaw and everything. That of it rattled me a little bit. Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

And Job's not a huge.

[Craig Thomas]

That's the last time you've been slapped?

[Seth Payne]

That's the last time I was. Yeah. That's probably the first, the only time in the last four decades that I've been slapped.

[Craig Thomas]

Wow.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

Okay. And you wouldn't take one 36 million bucks.

[Seth Payne]

I've never been in an altercation with another man where the man was like, I'm going to really degrade you here and give you an old fashioned that

[Craig Thomas]

I'm going to do list for some time during football.

[Seth Payne]

Hire somebody to slap set.

[Craig Thomas]

I'm going to do it myself. Diy. All right, so there you go. Big announcement. JJ Wat first guest here in the history of the news station. Tomorrow at 8:20, Roger Clemens, 9:00am, Rudy Tomjanovich, 9:40am That'll be fun. Guess who's our guest in the next segment? John Harris.

[Seth Payne]

John Harris.

[Craig Thomas]

We love John Harris.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

Texan, sideline reporter, NFL draft expert. Expert on a lot of things.

[Seth Payne]

And he was at practice yesterday where we wanted to get some of the reports of what was happening in this very seemingly competitive, chippy and energetic practice that I know. Look, are you guys talking about practice? Hell yeah, we're talking about practice.

[Craig Thomas]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Did you watch the Patriots game? These guys needed some practice and I'm.

[Craig Thomas]

Johnny's got. I'm sure Johnny's got a priority list of what he's watching tomorrow from the sidelines. So I'm curious, through the eyes of John Harris, what are the things to prioritize if you're going to the game tomorrow? So we'll talk about that coming up next.

[Seth Payne]

Live from the West Point Lincoln and West Point Lincoln of Sugarland Studios, here's Payne and Pendergast.

[Craig Thomas]

Hi Pain and Pendergast with you again. 8:00 clock tomorrow morning we move to 95. 7 the fan. We are going to be on the FM dial starting at 8:00am tomorrow. First guest, 24 hours from now, we'll be talking to J.J. watt. We look forward to that. Now we look forward to this also because we love Johnny Harris as well. Texan, sideline reporter, NFL draft expert, basically expert at football in general. And he joins us on the program right now. Johnny, how are you doing?

[Josh Radner]

Well, who's this J.J. watt character?

[Craig Thomas]

I know, right? Yeah. We're giving him our platform tomorrow so people can more about him.

[Josh Radner]

Oh, the CBS guy. Yeah, yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

A lot of people don't realize he used to be a football player.

[Jai]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Like people don't, kids don't know that John Madden was a football coach. They, they just think he's a video game guy. Yeah, a lot of kids are like that with J.J. watt.

[Craig Thomas]

Absolutely.

[Josh Radner]

Well, we're getting to a point now with kids that kids don't even remember Madden as an announcer.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Josh Radner]

Know the video game.

[Seth Payne]

Right, Right.

[Craig Thomas]

Good point, Jai. We have, we're two layers removed from Madden as the head coach. So, Johnny, I guess just we'll start in general. What's been your overall vibe with Texans training camp so far in terms of just the optimism level of the team heading into the season?

[Josh Radner]

Good. I think everybody knew this team was good and talented. It was just a matter of, okay, what's this offense going to look like? And I think there's been a ton of progress offensively. You know, you guys have, have laid that out very, very well. I think Mark and I have talked about it, you know, ad nauseam. You know, I think we, we, we temper our excitement you know, I've seen enough America's Game documentaries of super bowl winners, and they talk about, well, you know, we knew back in training camp that the offense was going to be really, really good. But you don't know. You could see, you know, there's seedlings of things, and they're things that are better than last year. So you compare and you go, okay, well, this is much better than last year. This is better than last year. But we, we really won't know until we get a chance to see this entire thing up against the Buffalo Bills. That said, it just appears as if things. They didn't do well last year, they've gotten over some of those hurdles. Now. They're not going to bat a thousand against 51 and 55 and that pass rush all the time. But there have been times that they've picked up blitz or, you know, some sort of sim pressure where they've, you know, shown a bunch, brought a guy from depth, drop three, they've picked those guys up. There have been times they're free runners at CJ because you don't have enough to block everybody. And so the free runner CJ Hits is hot. And again, they're not hitting a thousand with that, but last year they batted zero. So I don't know where it sits, but it's not zero and not a thousand, but it's, it's moving in the right direction on those things. And I know there are a lot of people in Houston, and I know I'm. I'm probably one at one, you know, at some point that watches the offense. And I know Mark and I talk about this a lot, like, where's the easy offense? Like, when you watch the, I don't know, pick a team, watch the Rams. And you see the Rams, well, man, look at Stafford throw the running back. He's wide open. And it's like, where's that. That's easy. Easy offense. Like, where's that for us? And I think watching them this, this summer, you started to see some of that when, when they would. The defense would send more than the offense could protect. There's a free runner. CJ Would hit Nico wide open. Like, yeah, that's. That's it. That's. That's the, that's the easy offense you want to be able to find because you start hitting some of those. And now defensive coordinators are like, no, no, we can't blitz, man. We can't blitz. But the blitz rate has gone up and up and up against CJ because not so much CJ not handling it, but the entire offense, the offensive line, receivers not getting hots, all that kind of stuff. So there just seems to be much more synergy in the offense. Everybody seems to know what they're doing. Every offensive guy I've talked to is like, yeah, I can complete this guy's sentence. I know where they're going with this. So, again, it's not perfect. It's not going to be against the best defense in the league, but man, it is seriously, seriously improved the last couple days. Not, not the great now yesterday was, was pretty good. Hit some chunk plays down the field, which is kind of nice when they went inside. But there was a couple days span where it was like, all right, the defense is like, look, look, we're the big brother, you're the little brother. Okay? But it hasn't been like that for most of camp. There's a couple days recently where the defense just decided, you know what, we're about to go off to college, so we're going to beat down little brother and make sure you remember that. And I think the offense kind of bounced back from that, which is good to see. So I think it's moving definitely in the right direction. I'd love to sit here and say it's going to, you know, they're going to score 30 a game. I don't think that's going to be the case, but I do think they're going to be able to get the offense in the way that they want and the way Nick Kaley wants a lot more enthusiasm about this whole thing.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I think that that's where I get some pushback, John, sometimes where I'll be, you know, talking about where the offense improved and I've said the same thing that you've said, which is like, yeah, I don't, I don't think they're going to be the LA Rams offense all of a sudden, but, you know, we just spent an entire off season with talking about or people having the opinion that, man, if the offense could just be above average or just, you know, a competent offense in the playoffs, then that's a whole different story because the defense is so good. So I'm not, I'm not bashful about saying, look, I'm not. I don't need the Texans offense to be a top five offense. They just need to be better than they were. When I look at the run game, like, they haven't had a lot of big runs or anything in camp versus this defense. And I think the part that looks for Me different is that when I watch from the end zone, it's just night and day in terms of the O line being in the right place, blocking up like everybody blocking uniformly without, without unblocked guys. And that it's also hard to judge sometimes whether it would have been a run for 3 or 5 yards or if somebody would have broken a tackle. But yeah, the offense is still going to lose more physical mismatches than the defense is going to lose because the defense has just simply more good players. Does the, does the operation of the offensive line in the run game look better to you? And like, and what. How much can I read into that?

[Josh Radner]

Yeah, most definitely, Seth. And I think a lot of it has to. To do with just physicality. The way they're coming off the football, the way, you know, there was a block by Blake Fisher the other day and I just like, whoa.

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[Josh Radner]

Okay, that's, that's different. And I've, I've always known Blake's had that in him, but I think the offensive line, you know, we've talked about this ad nauseam. You know, everybody has. You guys have, the fans have. I mean, I get stopped in the grocery store. Is your offensive line going to eat glass this year or what? I'm like, hey, man, I hope so. So I think they've got guys that tend to do that a little bit more. And then you throw Keelan Rutledge into the mix and it's like, I mean, I think that guy eats it at every meal and he doesn't care. And I, and I think the offensive line needs that. And I, I, you know, over the years, I think there have been some offensive linemen in this, in the, in the room that I feel like would have, you know, followed a guy like Keelan Rutledge. They, they want to be able to play like that. But, you know, you had a couple guys in there that just like, ah, you know, too cool for school. Look at you. Teachers pet kind of thing. It's like, no, no, no, no. That's the way they should be. I mean, I went into the cafeteria one day. I can't remember when it was. I just went to go get a water. And every single offensive lineman was in the cafeteria with an iPad. And they're all looking at plays from practice. And there's Rutledge, like, right in the middle. Like, he's poking somebody's like, hey, look at this play. And he's going through. It's like. Like that. That's what you need. You know, you need more like that. And I think the guys that have been around, they're like, okay, I've wanted to be like that. I'm going to be like that. And now that's kind of the vibe in the room. So I feel like there's just a little bit more, as we've wanted all along, just a little bit more of that swarm mentality. Again, it's got to come to fruition against Dexter Lawrence and against Ed Oliver and, you know, Quinn and Williams, who just got paid, it's got to show up then. But I do think they've got guys that might miss a block on one play, but they're not going to miss on the next play. They're going to get beat by guys like I just mentioned, because those guys are great. They're going to get beat by the Texans guys because those guys are great. But it's not going to be for a full game. Those guys aren't going to be thrown into a ball carrier like, you know, former Texans offensive linemen were to make tackles. It's not going to happen that way. They might lose one here, they might lose one there. It happens in the NFL. But they're going to. They're going to win a lot more than they've been winning, and that's going to lead to better offense, more efficient offense, more pass for, you know, more time for CJ to throw. And obviously, as you mentioned, Seth, the run game, I think with Montgomery and Woody, Woody's the one that really, you know, David's gotten. He's going to get his, you know, he's going to. He's going to grind. He's going to be the F150. But Woody is the one, I think, that can have a big year chunk play wise because he's. Well, he's juicy. He looks like he can just fly down the field. He looks really good. So it's a matter of keeping him healthy. And if you got that one, two punch and one's always fresh for 60 minutes, man, you. You can rock with what you're going to do with the run game. And again, it might be two here, three here, four here, but eventually in the fourth quarter that turns into seven and eight and then you could take over the game, which is what we've always wanted.

[Craig Thomas]

John Harris, Texan sideline reporter, joining us here on Pain and Pendergast on Sports Radio 610, soon to be 95. 7 the Fan. So Johnny Kaylin Rutledge. You know, I'm just looking at the depth chart. It looks like he's going to be the starter at center, at least according to the depth chart. So let's put Keelan aside and for the benefit of people going to the game tomorrow, who are a couple of names in this rookie class that have impressed you so far and that you would tell people to keep an eye on tomorrow at the game, I'm going to say this.

[Josh Radner]

I'm not saying it just because you guys know I'm a bonafide Texans homer. I mean, I do work for the team, but I think every rookie that they drafted and then beyond has done something in camp where you go, yo, wow.

[Craig Thomas]

Okay, I agree, by the way.

[Josh Radner]

You got my attention. I mean, I. Okay, so I'll tell you guys this, and I don't know if you guys have heard this, so when, when Mark and I, we kind of have a rating system for our hot takes. Like, hey, judge this hot. I got a hot take. And we, you give it sizzle fires. Like if, if I give a hot take and he's like, oh, that's five sizzle fires, basically, he's telling me that's the hottest take ever. You know, I'm a sports radio talk show host. If he tells me it's a one, then it's like, probably more than likely true. So I said this the other day on radio. I think Keelan Rutledge right now is the best offensive lineman, period, on this roster. Wow. And he went, he went, ah, that's three and three quarters star. That's almost four. I mentioned that to somebody standing on the sidelines that would know these guys really, really well, and he goes, oh, that's a one.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[Craig Thomas]

It's just fact. Basically. It's not even a take.

[Josh Radner]

Yeah, John, I, I mean, I know you guys are sitting, you're thinking about it going, you know, I hadn't thought about that way. But if you start thinking about what you've seen from him, then I'm not talking about the fights, the feistiness and all that. I'm just Talking about one on one winning a block against somebody in a white shirt, he's done that more often than other guys have on this offensive line.

[Seth Payne]

John, I. No, I've been really impressed and I was kind of waiting until the pads came on to really start, you know, judging how I feel about him. And I've been. I've felt really good about him since the pads came on. He's kind of taken every step that you want to see a young center take, including the snaps being pretty consistent. I guess my one big thing that I'm waiting to see is just him versus a genuine nose tackle because that's, you know, versus this defense. He just doesn't have somebody right up in his face when he's snapping the ball.

[Josh Radner]

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, it's not just Keelan. You know, almost every center, you know, you ask them, you know, what's the toughest thing to do. I. I asked. I think it was either Jake Andrews or Evan Brown when we talked to them back in the. Back in the spring. And kind of with a thought of, I'm going to ask you this question that really relates to Keelan more than it does to you guys. But you guys have done this, so I want to know. And I said, what's the toughest block for you guys? And he said, I think it was Jake said, shotgun nose tackle, shaded. And you're running, you know, shaded to the strong side and you're running zones, you know, to the strong side. You got to reach because you got to snap and step, and a lot of times you snap and step. Also the ball starts, you know, to stay on you, sail on you, and if you run it zone, then the running backs on the other side. So the quarterback's catching it over to his right side. He's got to reach back down and give it to the running back running that way. So everything's kind of off at that point. So, yeah, that's. It's definitely going to be, you know, a little bit of a, you know, right away you're gonna get hit with three, four of the Bills. Now, who plays nose tackle for the Bills remains to be seen. And that could be interesting. But we know who plays nose tackle for the Bengals, and apparently he's at a good camp. So, yeah, this is going to be. That'll be a test for Keelan. What has been fascinating to me in some sense is they've been giving him all these, you know, center reps, center up, center rep, center reps, center reps. And all of a sudden hey, going to guard, go to guard. And he goes to guard. And yesterday there was a play he, I think he's at. I can't remember if he's a right guard, left guard but he went against Logan hall and Logan's a pretty powerful guy, strong inside and one on one pass, pass, pro rep and I mean CJ had all kinds of time to throw and I'm looking, I see 66, just locked, feet are moving, Logan's trying to throw counter moves and Keela's just got his hands locked. He can't go anywhere. And I'm like dude that is, that's, that's advanced stuff he's doing right now. So I still think my hot take is probably about a two and a quarter, two and a half. But when I heard the number one I went, I'm on to something here. And I, and I felt this way about Ariante Ursary last year too. I felt like we were going into the season, I felt like, you know what, he's pretty close to being our best offensive lineman. I think I even said it on TV broadcast and at the end of the year, as the year wore on I think we probably could say yeah, I think he, he might have been our best offensive lineman as a rookie. So I think Keelan's definitely on his way. That dude is advanced skill wise and here's what everybody misses. You know the six three, 315, you know, pound, you know, white, bald, white dude with a beard. Oh he's just a glass. No, no, that dude's athletic, he can move, he is agile, he is strong, he's got great post up moves. Seth posted that video back after the draft. You play basketball, that is going to be as long as you know he can get the snap game down which apparently he does that a lot with his wife where she takes snaps and such. If he gets that down, that dude's going to be the center here for the next 10 to 12 years and be a very good one.

[Craig Thomas]

Johnny, real quick because we're up against it. 15 seconds. If you had to do a Mach 53 right now. Does Colin Wright make the Houston Texans?

[Josh Radner]

He has to, yeah. If you value competition as they talk about Colin Wright has to make it. He's been, he's been phenomenal. And you know it's interesting because the number three cornerback battle has gone from. Well, it's J Rocks to lose to manage J Rock versus Colin. Right. And it's going to play out over these next couple of weeks.

[Craig Thomas]

Johnny, good stuff as always. We look forward to listening to you on Texans all access at 6 o', clock, of course, every weekday here on the station. And look forward to Seth and I look forward to catching up with you before the game tomorrow. We got our first pregame show tomorrow, Johnny.

[Josh Radner]

Yeah, man, that's going to be fun. Make sure you tell that Watt character not to suck tomorrow. He's got to be good. When you go to 95.

[Craig Thomas]

Seven, don't worry, we'll give him the what for. It's all good.

[Josh Radner]

Definitely get it done. All right, brothers, love you guys. Bye.

[Craig Thomas]

Love you too, Johnny. Appreciate you. That's John Harris joining us here on the show. All right, up next, I'm mad that there's audio that Johnny had with us back before the draft that I'm mad I didn't go get because Keelan Rutledge was such a big topic. I'll remind people of that.

[Seth Payne]

Presents live from the West Point Lincoln and West Point Lincoln of Sugarland Studios. Here's Pain and Pendergast.

[Craig Thomas]

All right, Pain and Pendergast with you real quick. Big thanks to Johnny Harris for joining us on the on the show, helping us get ready for tomorrow's game between the Chargers and the Texans. Seven o'. Clock. Seven o' clock kickoff. You will be able to hear it on 95. Seven the fan tomorrow.

[Seth Payne]

Nice.

[Craig Thomas]

The game. Yes. Yeah. Men simulcast on 610 the fan.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. So there. If you're somebody that used to listen on the bowl, just switch it over to 95.

[Craig Thomas]

That's right. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Won't be on the Bull anymore.

[Craig Thomas]

Yep. Won't be on the Bull anymore, but it'll be on 95. 7 the fan tomorrow. So we're looking forward to that. 8am the big switch over. I was mad at myself because I knew we would talk about Keelum Rutledge with Johnny. And I meant to do this yesterday, but Johnny came on with you and me before the draft back in April. It was like a week before the draft. And you asked Johnny a question. I remember it vividly.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

You asked him about what are, who are some of the names out there at center? Because center was a big need for the Texans. And I was expecting Johnny to name a few, like, you know, day two or day three, guys that actually played center in college. His answer was Keelin Rutledge.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Craig Thomas]

Who had never played center before.

[Seth Payne]

John was one of the few guys that, you know, after the draft, I thought the Texans were going to get more criticism for the Keelan Rutledge pick because he was usually forecast to go in the second round? Yeah, like, earlier, mid second round. And by and large, most drafts people said, you know what? This. This is a guy that I liked a lot, and we weren't so sure about him. And so I would go back and like Greg Cassell and various other people, there are. There's clips of them leading up to the draft saying, all right, well, here are the guys that are the top interior offensive linemen, and they go through a list. And then they would say, but, you know, I really like Keelan Rutledge now. I think this guy's probably going to go in the second round. One thing I've learned, and from years of just kind of casually following all the draft talk leading up to the draft, it's just always an offensive lineman that you start to get a feel for. Like, so many people are talking about this second rounder really maybe being a value pick, the second rounder, that somebody's going to take him in the first round.

[Craig Thomas]

That was Titus Howard.

[Seth Payne]

Titus Howard, exactly. That's why at the draft party, when everybody freaked out about the Texans taking Titus Howard, they're all upset about it. It kind of didn't surprise me. And because everybody was upset because the Eagles had left up above, the Texans, get Andre Dillard. Take Andre Dillard, who would go on to play a glorious, what, three years in the NFL with, like, seven different teams?

[Craig Thomas]

Titus is still playing. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

No matter how you feel about Titus, that was a good draft pick. That was like, for where you took him and for a lot of. For the Texans getting a lot of criticism for where he was, where he was taken, or taking him that high.

[Craig Thomas]

That was making 20 million with the Browns.

[Seth Payne]

That was it. That was a good spot. That was a good selection. And I think Keelan Rutledge, in terms of making the offense look. Look swarmier, make it look more like they play like the defense. He's. Sean, this is what I had hoped.

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[Seth Payne]

Hope for that DeMeco look, D' Ameco is a coach and as a leader has so many great attributes. I think one of the best things that he does is we saw those first two years, he identifies a certain type of guy on defense. Like the part of the scouting process for him is, all right, is this the kind of guy that fits the culture that I want? So last year, when he goes over and starts spending more time with the offense, I was waiting to see, like, okay, are they going to start to get a feel for it now? This draft this year was the first one that they did after he'd spent the entire year with more time with the offense. And I think they went out and they got a bunch of d' Ameco, Ryan types of players. You know, I think d' Ameco really put all of that energy into, into figuring out, does this guy fit our culture?

[Craig Thomas]

Yes. And that's where, when you, when d' Ameco gets asked what's the biggest area of growth that you've had as a head coach, he has answered every time. His ability to delegate now.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Craig Thomas]

And the fact that he feels confident being able to turn the defense over to, to Matt, at least to a degree. I mean, d' Amico's obviously still very involved, but the benefit of that, the ripple effect of that is that d' Amico's got his fingerprints on the offense, I think, in a good way, like you point out. So, yeah, that's. That's good stuff. Okay, so the Christmas Day schedule came out, I guess the full schedule is coming out tomorrow, I think, for the NBA. And so the Rockets, so I was expecting yesterday, like, okay, they're, they're releasing opening night and, and the Christmas day, and there's a few other games they've dropped. We do know that the Rockets are going to play the spurs in Austin. So I don't know who's losing a home game in that, the Rockets or the spurs, but I guess maybe the NBA is going to start to do a little bit more of that, like reaching out, going to other cities and things like that. I would expect that to be a heavy spurs crowd in Austin. Oh, yeah, right. I think the Austin is more kind of tangential to San Antonio than it is Houston. Plus the spurs have Wemby and I think the Rockets. And I think this is why the Rockets are not on the Christmas Day schedule. There's five games on Christmas Day and the Rockets are not one of the 10 teams playing on Christmas Day this year. They were last year with Kevin Durant on the team. Ooh, you know, it's something new. And the Rockets are thought to be a title contender. There are six Western Conference teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, that. Who obviously have Anthony Edwards and Lamello Ball now. And I mean, they've got some marquee star power, but it is Minnesota. There's six Western Conference teams that are playing on Christmas Day and the Rockets aren't one of them. In a weird way, if I were one of the owners of the team, this would bother me that my team that I put together to bring fans to Toyota center to compete for a title and have that marquee value that has Kevin Durant on the team. I mean, you made the trade for Kevin Durant so that among other things, you're one of the teams that are viewed as worthy of playing on Christmas Day, which is. That's. I know the NFL is kind of taking it over, but that's long been viewed as a day of NBA basketball, like a really important day on the NBA calendar. And this would bother me as much as. As losing some of the games they lost last year.

[Seth Payne]

I think I'm kind of in the minority, but of people that I can appreciate the concept of running it back with this team just because it's the same team, by and large that last year before the season, before Fred Van Vliet got injured, people are looking at as a potential one of the favorites to contend for a title in the NBA. And the. I mean, the big issue would be that obviously Kevin Durant is a year older and yet in whether Fred Van Vliet can, you know, be exactly the same as he was before his injury. But I think that. I think that young core just took a real hit in terms of reputation and how people look at him because they were forced to play in odd. Like in oddly in basically in out of position Situations or out of skill set situations all year long. I'm, I'm way more comfortable just saying, yeah, you know what? This is what we were supposed to be looking at in September of 2025, but we weren't able to do it. So let's just do the same damn thing. And they should be a better team than people think they are.

[Jai]

Right?

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah. Yep. Spurs, Knicks are on Christmas Day.

[Seth Payne]

Spurs, by the way. Yeah, they're according to Gemini, they're the. The clear plurality favorite than with Mavericks and Rockets split in Austin.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be a heavy spurs crowd, which is why I hope the spurs are the team that's losing a home game in that whole thing. Spurs, Knicks. So you get a rematch of the NBA finals on Christmas. Heat, Celtics. So you get a little Giannis versus Jason Tatum. Sixers, Lakers. Right in the middle of the day, right about the time you're eating your Christmas ham, probably. Sixers, Lakers. So LeBron against his. One of his old teams, Thunder and Timberwolves and then Nuggets, Warriors. So a couple Western Conference big games

[Seth Payne]

there is ham the go to for Christmas because we eat.

[Craig Thomas]

Yeah, we eat ham. Oh, no, ham is Easter, I think. Yeah. I don't know. We eat pasta. I mean my, my mother in law makes a big bowl of ziti for Christmas and stuff to go along with the meat.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would make sense. If you're really trying to make that delineation between Jesus and

[Craig Thomas]

making a religious sen.

[Seth Payne]

This is really. When we split from the Jews, slap a ham down on the table. Okay, that's not what I was saying.

[Craig Thomas]

This ham is symbolic and tasty.

[Seth Payne]

All right.

[Craig Thomas]

Painting pender gas with you. All right, are you ready to. How much pettiness do you have pent up in you? Do you have as much as I have pent up in me? We haven't done a petty cast in two weeks.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, I'm bursting at the seams.

[Craig Thomas]

We normally do it Tuesdays at 8am we're doing it at 9am On a Wednesday because we haven't done one in a long time. We got a lot to be petty about. We'll do that.

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