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Seth Payne
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Luke Morrow
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Luke Morrow
Gone south has been a podcast about crime in the American south.
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Seth Payne
But for our new season, we're widening the lens.
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Luke Morrow
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Seth Payne
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Luke Morrow
Sports Radio 610 presents Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast.
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Seth Payne
We coming to eighth time. Let's get the work in, man.
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Reggie Figgins
Let's go. Great day.
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Seth Payne
Great. Oh, give me some juice. Oh yeah. Let's do it.
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Luke Morrow
Got him.
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Reggie Figgins
Ball game over.
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Seth Payne
Astros hold on to win it six to three as they take the middle game of this three game series against the Nationals and get back to within two games of.500. Didn't come easy against this Nationals offense. Plumber. But that's a nice win on the road. It is a nice win on the road. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
This offense has the potential to come back.
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Seth Payne
It took a little extra effort out
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Luke Morrow
of that bullpen to finish this thing off. But what a beautiful thing to be able to have the bottom part of your. All of that damage. That's right. Astros get the win last night. 6:3 to even that series with the Nationals. Happy Wednesday. Especially after that Astros victory. Payne and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. Seth, how are we doing?
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Seth Payne
I'm good. You know, every morning I eagerly check the standings to be sure if the sub.500 record has an exit. Hasn't actually vaulted the Astros up into the division. They're still two games back from the Mariners and the Rangers are half game back from the Mariners. So this I'm happy about last night. Also happy to see that the Yankees struck out 17 times for the second straight day in a row.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
So that I. I'm almost. I'm actually more invested in the Yankees falling than I am right now with the Astros in the AL West. Is that bad? No. Is that me being too focused on negativity?
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Luke Morrow
No. I'm with you. Look, I grew up in Connecticut. We grew up a family of Red Sox fans. And so there's been years, especially recently, where. Yeah. Like your. Your championship is just making sure the Yankees don't have success because you're having a down year. So I'm yours. You're. You're preaching to the choir right now. We watch growing up as many Yankee games as Red Sox games just to simply root against them. So I'm all for it.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bastards. I think the. Okay, so when you and I last talked about. We were very down on Burroughs and Burroughs himself is now down in the minors.
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Luke Morrow
Yes.
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Seth Payne
And we were just saying okay, but Imai, there's. There's hope the. That. That Imai might be the one. And how are you feeling after last night?
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Luke Morrow
Maybe the same. I mean, a little bit better. Like he didn't pitch terribly. Obviously give you a chance to win. But still. And I don't know what the analogy would be like, you still couldn't get to the fifth inning. They're paying you what, 18 million a year. You're coming off a start where Burrows had to tax the bullpen a little bit. It'd be nice if you could count on him a little more. And too often we get these starts where he's just like not. He's not giving you the length or the innings. So, yeah, I mean, he. His final line last night was two earned runs, four hits, three walks, three strikeouts. That sounds fine until you zoom out. You're like, I was only 312 3rd innings. It's almost like an opener.
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Seth Payne
And you've got to burn through all these relievers. I mean, so Oakr De los Santos, Brian King, Brian Abreu, Alan Bear, Santa and Josh Hader all pitched last night and all of them use the. All of them use the bullpen cart. Except for Hayter. Okert started. Oakert started the trend of using the bullpen cart. And because the Nationals are one of those teams that have one and every single reliever after him used the bullpen card as well, which is, I mean, the IR that is. And they deserve it. If they're going to be used that heavily every time somebody like Imai comes in, then by all means, save your legs.
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Luke Morrow
I miss that tradition of the bullpen cart that kind of ended like in the late 90s, I think it was. And it would always be funny to see them, you know, drive in, especially how quickly sometimes they drive in the reliever. And then back in the day, like when you go back to the 70s or 80s, whenever it was where they had the cart that was an actual baseball, they didn't sit in, or at least one of the teams had that. I'd be pretty embarrassed if I'm coming in to like close out a one run game in the ninth inning and I have to sit into this mini baseball to get driven out to the mound.
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Seth Payne
But there's only. I think there's only four teams, give or take, that do. Do a bullpen cart. And then a lot of guys just don't. Most guys don't use it because it's either out of the routine or they just think it's soft.
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Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
I think that was a veteran move by Okert to. It's not the first time he's done it, but I applaud him as a. In a throwback to old school baseball, old time baseball, when people were softer.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's right.
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Reggie Figgins
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And he's been pitching well, so he deserves it. I like Santa, but it's tough where you can't get through the ninth inning and it forces Josh Hader to have to come in just to get that final out. And granted, Hayter wasn't entirely sharp either and has to leave the tying run on base in the bottom of the night. Yeah. Made that game a little sweatier than you had to at the end. And then also at Josh Hater. I mean, you know, you don't love to use them on back to back days and multiple innings and whatnot. They try to be careful with him. So to have to burn him in that game, so to speak, when you were up six to two heading into the ninth, that was the one. If I'm nitpicking because the bullpen was good again. But if I'm nitpicking having to run Hater out there too, along with all those other arms you mentioned, that wasn't ideal in what was a nice 6 to 3 win on the road.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. And I think seeing some life out of the back end of the lineup in the last couple nights has been big for sure. And Bryce Matthews, Bryce Matthews is really just. Maybe he's turned a corner or something. We'll wait and see. But they've, they, they've got to do. I mean Dana Brown's been talking very openly about trying to get a left field left handed outfielder out there and I just. The. We'll hold our breath, I suppose.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Which gives me another chance to bring up what I think is one of the worst moves the Astros have made in the past decade. And I bring this up all the time because it still irks me a bit for the Astros. But when they traded will your Abreu for half a season of Christian Vasquez a few years back and Vasquez posted I think a negative WAR that year with the Astros. And now Abreu is a multi time Gold Glove winner in Boston. Left handed hitting outfielder. Be nice to have that guy hits 20 homer, 20 plus homers a year. But I digress. Hey, you mentioned Bryce Matthews and you know, turning a corner, maybe it's just simply a road trip, the fact that they're on the road. This became a talking point yesterday, his splits.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And it actually came up on in the Loop. And then the fellows on the drive also brought it up. How Bryce Matthews on the road has pretty good numbers. 265 average, five homers. His OPS is like almost 800 on the road. Those are good numbers. You'd sign up for that. But at home he's hitting just over 100 and his OPS is like 300. He has two runs batted in at home and nearly 100 at bats. It's such a big discrepancy. And the guys were wondering why yesterday on the radio. And I said, at least on social media, you know, when I worked in baseball, teams didn't like. And Seth, I'm sure you can speak to this as a professional athlete yourself, but, you know, teams didn't like when guys would go play in their hometowns because of all the distractions. And this is like. It's always a distract. He's living and playing constantly in his hometown. This isn't just a road trip to the city he grew up in. Bryce Matthews obviously grew up here. This is his hometown still for his baseball career. And you worry about, you know, between having to get all the tickets and the family friends are intent in attendance. You have a big crowd every night. So now you're pressing and the pressure, and, you know, and then you go out to lunch or dinner with your aunts and uncles and high school friends and family and all this, just all the distractions. You know, I know when I was. Like I said, when I was in baseball, teams didn't love it. And for Bryce Matthews, I mean, that's now half his season.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. I guess the thing is, though, when you're traveling and you're on the road, it's such a big disruption to your routine where if you. If you live and play in your hometown and, you know, he went to Atascocita, that you should be able to get into some kind of routine where it's not necessarily as big a deal. And I, like. I. Yeah, I don't know. We'd have to. We'd have to ask Clyde Drexler if it was ever. Was it ever a distraction having so many family and friends around. You know, James Harden going to LA every now and then. Was. That was always a concern because was he gonna just. Was he. Was he out enjoying too many of the spoils of his hometown? I don't know. I would. I'd be hard pressed to. I'd be hard to press the blame that on Bryce Matthews right now or that being the reason. I just. When they were talking about on the broadcast last night, the first thing I thought of was the 2023 Astros, who remember where they were. I think there were 51 and 30 on the road in 2023, but they were just about 500 at home. And it's. It was just one of those. One of those flukish things that probably didn't really. It might have been just random chance or circumstance. You try like hell to dig for a reason for it, but I'm not. I can't. I can't buy it as an excuse Right now because it's, there's just too many other guys that have been able to perform at home.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. And you, you, you brought them up earlier of Clyde Drexler, as you mentioned, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clements, Andy Pettit. So, you know, there are a lot of examples.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. Nolan and Pettit would be both guys that were already pros when they came back to play, play in Houston. So then it's. You've already got more of it nailed in the young athlete like Jalen Petrie. Jalen Petrie had an up and down first couple of years and, and now he's figured it out. Jalen Petrie. It's worked out very well for. But I guess football, you know, football is not as much of a. You're more insulated around the games than you are when you're in baseball.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, well, you know, Boomer Sison always said, obviously he's from Long Island. He went to the jets later in his career in the 90s, and he has said since. Now, look, those jets teams are not good. I believe that was like rich. The Rich Kotite. And Boomer has since said that he regrets it. He wishes he didn't play for the jets, and he encourages NFL players to not go back to their hometowns because as, as I was laying out before, like the distractions, having to get a suite for the family for every games. And then for Boomer, specifically, because those teams weren't very good. He said family members always bring up the bad news, like, hey, I saw what they wrote about you on the front page. And he'd be like, hey, I'm trying to, I'm trying to ignore that. Stop telling me all the terrible things people are saying about me.
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Seth Payne
The worst is when somebody tries to let you know that they're in your corner. Like, hey, hey, I was on, I was online battling for you yesterday when this guy said this and that guy said that and then this guy said this. Yeah, you don't need guys. I, I think, though, again, back in the day that if you were geographically removed from a situation, you just didn't see a whole lot of it. Where now it doesn't matter because your sister's texting you, forwarding you an article or something from the local paper. This is why, you know, why, you know, I'm hesitant to really buy into this as a potential theory because what's the solution? You know, like, oh, okay, oh, oh. All we need to do is go back in time and make Bryce Matthews not from here, and then it'll be all just fine. So I don't know. Unless people in Atascocita can perhaps weigh in on. Is Bryce Matthews having to entertain too many people all the time. Are you over at Bryce Matthews parents houses and it's just a steady entourage. Steady. A steady procession of third cousins walking through with their hands out asking for tickets.
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Luke Morrow
I think the, the, the way to solve it just go on the road. Keep them on the road. As a 10 game road trips only.
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Seth Payne
Only play him on the road.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Apparently his numbers are almost three times as good on the road.
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Seth Payne
You don't hear about the LED lights as much anymore. Except that's. I mean I feel like that that's still a factor for some people just adjusting to the lighting at Dyken Park.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. And I know like there's been complaints in the past about the batter's eye in centerfield being an issue. So maybe that's for somebody like Bryce Matthews. Maybe that's more of a problem. I don't know. It is odd. It is odd to have such polar opposites where he's batting a 100 at home, but on the road he. Like I said, his ops is nearly.800. That's really good.
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Seth Payne
Maybe it's in the task of Cedar High School thing. You know, Kenyan Green. Kenyan Green didn't make it in Houston either after he's a teammate at Bryce Matthews, if I recall correctly. I might be mixing up my athletes here, but Canyon, it wasn't as much of a home or away issue is just staying healthy and playing football in general.
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Luke Morrow
It was. Yeah, it was an anywhere anywhere issue. So anyways, Astros get the win last night. And if you're an Astros fan, you might have felt like it was two wins because Mike Burrows gets sent down to Triple A. Like Seth had mentioned before, the game starts. So you get the Burrows demotion. You get the email start last night where the Astros win the game and he might doesn't get knocked around too bad. And then you also had Lance McCullers and Blanco make what's supposed to be their final rehab appearances last night for Sugar Land. Are we feeling better 24 hours later? Do we feel better about this Astros starting rotation as a whole, or is it still, you know, was that just breadcrumbs here? The last.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. I don't. Yeah. When it comes to. When we talked about it yesterday. All right. We know what the. We know that seal. We know that Imai has a whole bunch of potential, but he's just got a. He's got to start going deeper into games more Consistently, and he's had some good performances. I think the biggest. The biggest, hopefully positive sign from last night was that he had James Wood take him deep very early, and it didn't spiral out of control for him there, that he had to work his way through some difficulty. It looked at one point there like they were performing open hand surgery on him on the mound was in the first or second inning, he was bleeding profusely from his pitching hand. And you're. And you're thinking, oh, that's. That's it. This is it for him. But it was just his fingernail had sliced a little gash on his ring finger. And it didn't end up being a huge deal, but it's like it ended up being yet another atypical thing that we're talking about with Imai. After a game, there's always. It's almost like every single week or every single bad performance, there's a different explanation for it, and this one at least is more visible. And he fought through it, so there's that. And you give him credit for that, but he's just. They can't keep using six relievers every time that. Every time that Imai's in the game.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. What are you paying 18 million for? He can't even get through the fourth inning.
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Seth Payne
We just talked about. Yeah. Potentially trading away blue ball or somebody like that. And I mean, you need guys like blue ball who. Who can give you some middle relief if you've got guys like Imai as your starting pitchers.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. So I think that's why they do love or loved Mike Burroughs, where they would always compliment, like, he's an innings eater, because the very next day it's like, well, we're going to need our bullpen tomorrow for e mail, so at least Burroughs saves us. Or having to use too many relievers.
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Seth Payne
If you're. If your goal is to lose as many baseball games as possible, well, preserving your bullpen, he's a hell of a guy for that. He's one of the best. All time, giving you bad outings, but just being willing to stay out there and muddle through his bad outings.
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Luke Morrow
And I don't want to be, I don't know, pessimistic here to start the morning, but like Burrows next turn the rotation, he gets sent down to aaa. So his next turn in the rotation would be Sunday, the final game before the All Star break. The Astros can find a way to fill that spot. You could just plug in Christian Javier for a spot start, if you like, or blue ball or do a bullpen game because you're gonna have almost a week off after that. And then because of the break of the All Star Game, you can then start your rotation again. You wouldn't need Burrows spot in the rotation until it would be July 21st. So essentially two weeks from now. My point being in all of this, we saw the Astros already try to demote Burroughs out of the starting rotation just to put them right back in. I am curious if on July 21, which would be the next time you would need that Burroughs start if he actually is back up in the big leagues and this is just an opportunity to, hey, let's send them down to AAA for two weeks, try to freshen up some things. And in the meantime, we can use an extra bullpen arm for those two weeks because we don't need the Burrows starting spot. I'm curious how long lasting this demotion will be if this is it until Burroughs really turns a corner down to the minors, or if this is more like a strategic type of play while also allowing Burroughs to take a breather in Triple A for the next two weeks.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, I think they've got to figure out ways to, you know, sending them to the bullpen for that one game. All right. Did he figure anything out? It doesn't appear so, but it also, you know, I think it was in Chandler owns article. It paints a picture of man, the, you know, between his arm slotting and some of the other things that he's tweaking in his delivery, it sounds like he's. It sounds like he's a mess. Like he's just. Whenever you hear about a pitcher working on multiple things at the same time, it just feels like you're grasping for straws there. And if you can't just dial in on one thing, fix it. So I. This flux that you're going to have as McCullers and Blanco and Wisneski start to come into the fold, you're. You're going to be burning up some minor league options along the way as long as you're just so unsettled. But you have so many numbers. It's at potential starting pitchers.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. McCullers and Blanco those final rehab appearances, I believe supposed to be final last night. So we'll see if one of those guys gets plugged in for Sunday's game before the All Star break. And then Jeremy Pena began his rehab assignment last night. They hope he returns this weekend for the Rangers series. That's quite the night to go to Sugar Land last night where you know, probably 10, $15 tickets. And you could see three Astros in that game last night. Not bad. But the Astros get the win last night. 6 3. They'll try to win the series now tonight against the Nationals. 5:45. First pitch here. Central time so good that they got back in the win column. But still, two games under.500. What? Two games out of the division Still. Baseball talk on Sports Radio 610 is presented by Xfinity. Score, the most reliable Wi Fi 1 price. 5 years guaranteed Xfinity. Imagine that. By the way, Seth, I stayed up later than I wanted to last night. Obviously got to get to bed early to get up early these days filling in for Sean while he's on vacation. There was a thunderstorm, and I had to shower before bed. And I've. You know, I was always told, you can't shower during a thunderstorm, a lightning storm, because you could get electrocuted from the lightning. You ever. You ever. Was that ever a wives tale in your life? Do you follow that at all?
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Seth Payne
I think it's. If you've got copper pipes, that's when you. I don't know, places don't have copper pipes anymore. So I might be completely wrong on that. Nobody listening right now. Take my advice and, like, just start brazenly showering during a thunderstorm, especially because there's a good chance that there's zero percent truth to what I just said.
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Luke Morrow
I.
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Seth Payne
Wait, that's why. But that's all. Yeah, I. If you've got copper pipes and, like, right up from the. From the outside, right up to your shower, I think that's where it's an issue.
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Luke Morrow
So you'll shower during a. During a thunder and lightning storm?
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Seth Payne
Oh, I'll shower, yeah. Any damn time I please. I'll shower in an open field during a thunderstorm. I'm not. I await the superpowers that will come to me if I ever do get struck by lightning. There's another thing. As I understand it, that's what happens.
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Luke Morrow
You're a daredevil. I waited like, an extra hour. I got to get to bed. Well, this lightning ends already, so I could hop in the shower.
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Seth Payne
Geez, I know you're not supposed to stand extra. I've always. That's one of those things kind of like with cpr, you know, Like, I got CPR certified however many decades ago, and if it. If it came up right this moment, I'd be screwed. Everything would blank out. Other than just. I might be able to do the chest massage or Whatever. But likewise for lightning storms, you're not supposed to stand near a big tree, but you're also not supposed to stand in an open field. And I don't know, if you're stuck out in nature, I don't know exactly what you're supposed to do other than, like, try to get to the woods, but not near any big trees, but not in an open field in the. In a clearing in the woods. You just gotta have your head on a swivel the entire time.
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Luke Morrow
That's true. Yeah, we were. We were always told the car is the safest place. Get inside a car. You can join the conversation. 713-572-4610. Or in the YouTube and Twitch chats, do you shower during lightning storms? Are you as crazy as Seth is?
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Seth Payne
CDC is saying, don't, Don't. It's not safe to shower during a thunderstorm.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I spared my life last night.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, don't bathe or do the dishes during a storm.
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Luke Morrow
Oh, wow. I didn't know about the dishes. I got to add that to the list. I'm already neurotic enough. Now I can't even do the dishes when it's raining outside.
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Seth Payne
We figured that out. I almost killed somebody just now.
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Luke Morrow
That's gonna be my excuse. Honey, sorry, I can't do the dishes. I think there's some rain coming in.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, yeah, that's.
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Luke Morrow
Sorry, can't help you out.
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Seth Payne
What's one of the benefits of living in Houston?
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Luke Morrow
That's right.
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Seth Payne
Large swaths of time where you just simply can't do the dishes.
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Luke Morrow
Exactly. Hey, coming up, Texans defense getting a lot of love from those around the league. Of course, we'll talk about it next. It's Payne and Pendergast. Texans defense getting some love. It's Payne and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean Alongside Seth Payne. 713-572-4610. To join the conversation on the text line or always in the YouTube and Twitch chats as well. We referenced this yesterday. Look, it's list season and there might be other lists that we get to throughout the morning, but everyone's putting out their list this time of year as we get ready for training camp to start in a couple of weeks. And ESPN right now is going through their series of their polling. Executives, coaches and scouts in the NFL for the top 10 at each position. So yesterday we had talked about running backs. Well, since then, running backs came out on Monday. Since then, Yesterday was top 10 cornerbacks and today top 10 edge rushers so two defensive categories with a few Texans mixed in there as well. And I guess it should be no surprise that the Texans defense is getting some respect by others in the league, because obviously it's. It's the best or at least one of the best defenses in the NFL. But when you look at the top 10 cornerbacks, Derek Stingley Jr. Wound up at number two. Some people ranked him as high as number one on their list. Last year, he was number two. He's number two again this year behind Patrick Certain Jr. Of the Broncos.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, and I think that's. It's. Generally, this is every power ranking you see of cornerbacks. It seems like it's certain number one, and then Derek Stingley number two. And. And I. I have a hard time arguing against that, just partly because I think the Broncos play a boatload of man coverage. They blitz a lot. They put a lot of pressures on their cornerbacks, and they're. They're gonna. You're always gonna get more respect the more you do that. That. There's almost like a ceiling with those two right now. Unless Patrick Surtan starts to fall off a little bit or Stingley somehow makes, like, another step forward or leap ahead somehow, that. That's probably where it would stay if both these guys continue to play the exact same way for the next three years. It's just a. It's partly a matter of scheme. And then I think also especially because the Texans pass rush is so well regarded. I know the Broncos had, you know, damn near a record number of sacks last year, but a lot of it was based on heavy blitzing, which puts a lot of pressure on the cornerbacks. So I'm. I'm. This is exactly how I would have power ranked it. I think the one thing with Stingley that might be interesting is that because of the scheme and because he's just so good at what he does, he might continue to get a lot more interceptions than the top cornerbacks tend to get. You know, like, it's. It's not so easy to just not throw the ball anywhere near Derek Stingley when there's times where he's in zone or when you've got Kamari Lasseter on the other side of the field, that he might. He might break the mold a little bit in terms of turnover production, where typically with the really good cornerbacks, you see their first few years, they'll have four or five interceptions a year, and then it trails off as their career goes on because people just don't test them. Stingley might break that Mold a little bit.
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Luke Morrow
And in the blurb it says no cornerback has more interception since 2023. Then Stingley. A veteran NFL offensive coach said his zone vision is outstanding. He can play man at a high level, but the way he sees the field and intensity participates in zone is special. And a veteran NFC coach said elite feet and back to the ball instincts. If you throw a 50, 50 ball, he's probably going to come up with it and the quarterback will choose to throw some of those because the pass. Pass rush is so good.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, that's his ability on 50, 50 balls. Is that as you know, aside from scheme and everything else is part of that to the just where I think he's. He's just got such elite ball skills compared to a lot of great cornerbacks who you also say, yeah, but you know, you can see why he's a defensive back instead of a wide receiver. Stingley's one of those rare ones where I think, yeah, a lot of people figured he could play NFL wide receiver if he felt like it. The other thing, too, okay, about him versus certain, you remember that he was working through those oblique injuries this year early in the first half of the season and he wasn't, you know, his peak self. So with an entire healthy season and now two years ago when he really, when he stayed healthy and really, really delivered on everything, that was the first time that people kind of vaulted him up into that elite tier of cornerbacks. So the battle between him and Sir Tan will be fun to watch over the next few years.
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Luke Morrow
On the honorable mention. First honorable mention is Kamari Lassiter. So I guess we could take that to assume that means he's 11th on the list. And an NFL NFC offensive coach said really good ball skills, not the fastest, but ultra competitive. A little more size and speed and he might be the best NFC defensive coach said the best number two corner in the league. Does honorable mention feel like the right spot for Lassiter?
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Seth Payne
I. Yeah, I think so. I think Lassiter. I think Lassiter, he's going to have a perception battle against him when it comes to stuff like this just because he's going to be looked at as the guy that plays alongside Derek Stingley, which honestly, he should get more credit instead of less because of that, because he's going to be the focus of attention. But he's also, he's going to get like, you know, on average a little bit more help at times than Derek Stingley does. Stingley's still the guy that they're going to want to track the best wide receiver at various times. But I think that that's the, almost the perception battle that he'll have to work against. I think the, you know, people get sensitive whenever they bring up, whenever somebody brings up that, you know, he doesn't have elite top end speed. And because there was a, there was misreporting about his 40 time and everything. His 40 time, the 40 time discussion was way overblown. And yet I think it's fair to say that yeah, he wasn't as slow as whatever his reported 40 time was. It was like, like a 4740 or something ridiculous which was bogus based on how he plays on the field. And yet I think that one of the things that he does to make up for that genuinely top tier athleticism is he's got a freakish ability to understand when the ball's arriving and you can think about so many of the big plays he's made. It's a well thrown ball to a receiver that's got a half step on Lassiter. But Lassiter just has a really good feel for Armbar and right up into the path of the football and causing pass breakups. So. But when people are given style points and everything on where they rank the top corners, they, the subjective part of that they don't want to, they don't want to give as much credit to. That is just the pure classic cover,
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Luke Morrow
cover traits on the text line. Someone said, I'm personally tired of the sauce propaganda. Lassiter needs one of those top 10 spots. Which does take us to Sauce Gardner, the only other cornerback from the AFC south on this list. Think course with the Colts. He's number nine on the list after being five last year. But he keeps dropping. Where are you on Sauce Gardner at this point in his career?
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Seth Payne
I think, I mean, for one he's got that annoying, really, really annoying thing where he's a huge guy but doesn't seem to really relish the physical part of the game, which I know, you know, if it's Deion Sanders, that's one thing. But I, your sauce gardener, like come up, come up and make a tackle, you know, or how about an interception every now and then?
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Reggie Figgins
What was this?
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Seth Payne
That three interceptions in four NFL seasons.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I believe.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. And he look and he's. I think that I don't know if he's progressed beyond where he got away with being handsy a lot. And I don't know if he's refined his game enough like over the course of the past four years to really. He does, I don't look at him as one of those guys that is so elite at kind of playing the game and understanding exactly when you can and cannot hold and what you can get away with and what you cannot. And it's such a big part of his game that at some point that starts to work against you. And part of it is just flat out pettiness that he's with the Colts now and that I like seeing him. He's at number nine on this list. Should Derek Stingley be. Be. Should Kamari Lassiter be above him? If Kamari plays again this year the way he did last year, then yeah, I think. I think Kamara will be in the top 10. And hopefully Sauce Gardner is coming off a really disappointing year with the Colts and that, you know, people are wondering why the hell you traded two first round picks for this guy.
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Luke Morrow
Texans and The Eagles. Only two teams that have two guys in the top 11 on this list.
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Seth Payne
Best quote from an offensive coach about Sauce Gardner before we move off of him. Yeah, Sauce lost the sauce. Now he got traded for a reason. He's a long strider and has the confidence to overshadow his weaknesses. He can press and play cover too, but he's not going to tackle all the time. He's not going to crack, replace. And when he's playing zone, sometimes he's not playing it correctly. It's just hard for him to hold up over the course of the game. That doesn't sound like a top 10 cornerback whatsoever.
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Luke Morrow
No. Right. I think at this point it's sort of off that reputation of what he did early in his career, really just his rookie year.
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Seth Payne
He's also been playing for a crappy football team too. I, I think the, when it comes to the turnover production, if I were to play devil's advocate and give him a break, I like, with, like, who on earth goes up against who's playing the jets in the last few years saying, like what? There's one thing we got to do, it's. We got to test Sauce Gardner. If that. If there's one thing I do before I leave the Meadowlands, it's target sauce gardener 10 times because that's the weakness on that jets defense. That's so, so it's. It's been few and far between how much. How many teams have actually tested them.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's fair. That's a, that's a fair point. Like I said, Texans, Eagles, only two teams to have two different guys on this list. And when it comes to edge rushers, which is the list that just came out about an hour ago from ESPN. Texans are the only team with two guys in the top 10 there. Will Anderson, junior number three, Daniel Hunter, number six. I know we have to hit the break. I've been, I've been late on breaks all week. But real quick, Will Anderson Jr. Number three on this list and we could circle back to this later on this morning as well. He's only behind Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett. Does that seem fair?
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Seth Payne
It's fair. I, Micah Parsons got to he didn't go in head to head competition with Will Anderson last year, so to speak, just because, you know, he wasn't available. And that, that part of it irks me a little bit that I feel like Will should be number two overall just based on the fact that he played a lot of football last year.
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Luke Morrow
You can find those lists on ESPN.com we might circle back to the edge rusher list later on this morning to dive more in depth on Will Anderson Jr. And Daniel Hunter and their spot in the NFL. But coming up, we got to get to headlines, get you caught up on everything in the sports world of the last 24 hours, including a comeback even greater than the 28. 3 Patriots Super Bowl. We'll talk about it next. Payne and Pendergast,
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Seth Payne
Pain and Pendergast with today's headlines powered by Men's Tea Clinic.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, time for headlines. Get you all caught up on everything going on here on Pain and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow filling in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. Astros got the win last night, 6:3 beating the Nationals to even up that series. We got the replay on the TV here in the studio. So get to watch the victory again. But we spoke about the Astros a little bit earlier and we'll get back to the Astros later on. Let's talk about the New York Yankees because they just struck out 17 times again for the second straight game. First team in Al history to strike out. It's an Al record, Al record.
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Wow.
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Seth Payne
The Yankees can't stop breaking Al records. Good for them. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Aaron Judge hitting homers. The team striking out 17 times in back to back games, you know, even the AL pennant but couldn't win the World Series. That's, that's, that's, that's their ceiling.
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Seth Payne
Evidently they're so the Astros are two games back in the AL West. The, the Yankees are four games back from the Rays in the AL East. I'm surprised they're having such a hard time with the Rays. I just saw them, I didn't think they were all that difficult, a conundrum to fix. You know, that's just. Hey, some, some teams can do it and some teams can't. Yeah, New York Yankees.
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Luke Morrow
So I can't handle it. And Aaron Judge, this team's been lousy without Aaron Judge. They just lost like seven straight. Look, old man yelling at the clouds. I do hate this. Like, the Yankees won the game two nights ago. They had only three hits. All three hits were homers. And they struck out 17 times and still beat a first place team. I think that's a terrible product, if I'm being honest, and I love baseball, but that's terrible.
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Seth Payne
Well, that's kind of in the book on the Yankees, hasn't it? The last true years is just. Yeah, that's great. And you can rack up a whole bunch of stuff versus bad pitching in the regular season. They just can't consistently do it against good pitching in the postseason. So save for every now and then a trip to the World Series.
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Luke Morrow
Right. And by the way, there's also four guys on pace. Not one, but four guys on pace to break the strikeout record this year for batters. I'm not saying they're all in the Yankees. I'm just saying in baseball in general, the record that Mark Reynolds has held for like 20 years, four guys are set to break it this year. So strikeouts are at an all time high.
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Seth Payne
Have you been, have you been tracking the whole scenario with the manufacturing of the baseballs and the differences and everything?
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Luke Morrow
Not really.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, I, it's. I, it's. Other than that, it's been a quagmire ever since MLB decided they were going to get into the baseball manufacturing business that I just wish it, I wish it were somehow affecting the Astros more, either as something that could prop them up or something that they could exploit. You know, I had high hopes for the torpedo bat. You know, the torpedo bat. I was like, okay, come on, all you, all you former NASA engineers, you're supposed to. Why are we not on top of this? Give me some torpedo bats. Dubon used one for a little while. The torpedo bat ended up being no big deal. Really, in general.
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Luke Morrow
I know that was a heck of a two weeks for the torpedo bat and then haven't heard about it since.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, well, it was annoying because then you found out like, oh, they've actually been using this torpedo bat for two years already. It's just the first time anybody wrote about it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was ridiculous. The Yankee. That Yankees stretched to open up the season. But I guess I had to do some other things elsewhere. Argentina. So, you know, I admit I'm not the biggest soccer fan, but I was following this, this game yesterday and now that us is out of the World cup, you might not be paying attention out there to the World cup either, But Argentina scored three goals in the final 11 minutes of the match yesterday to beat Egypt 3 to 2. They were down two nothing. They score three goals in the final 11 minutes. They beat Egypt 3 to 2. Tom Brady on Twitter called it more impressive of a comeback than the Patriots 28 to 3 Super bowl comeback, which therefore makes this maybe the most impressive comeback we've seen in Sports. To score three goals in 11 minutes.
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Seth Payne
If I know Bostonians, Bostonians are going to be livid about this. Why are we not listening in on Boston Sports Radio right now? That Tom Brady can't help but just continue to take shots at the New England Patriots, including. Remember last year he said he had no dog in the fight with the Patriots. Super bowl wasn't like Brady was broadcast in the game or anything. Had to be careful about it. It was one of his former teammates is the head coach. His old offensive coordinator is still the offensive coordinator, but he's got no dog in the fight now. And now Argentina is, you know, Argentina has rendered the 283 comeback is just no big deal historically.
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Luke Morrow
It's true. It is. It is odd. He's trying to undo anything there in New England.
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Seth Payne
I think he's trying too hard. You know, people get upset with JJ Sometimes when he's doing a Texans game.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
He's being too impartial.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Which is a compliment to jj, really. If you don't have, if you don't have people from both teams saying that you're, that you're, you know, you're. You're being too favorable to the other team, then you're probably not all that. It's usually a pretty good indicator of people on Both sides are PO'd, but when it's JJ doing the Texans, I feel like people have a higher. They. They expect him to be somewhat of a homer and he just can't do it. It's not a baseball broadcast.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
That Cowboys. The Cowboys fans feel like Troy Aikman is too mean to them when he does Cowboys games.
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Luke Morrow
I don't think so. I feel like people think Troy's a bit. I don't know, maybe not. He can be critical of the Cowboys.
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Seth Payne
I feel like he, like he and Irvin are the two guys that I feel hold back all that much when it comes to criticizing Jerry Jones, like, they'll. They'll kind of dish a little bit on how Jerry Jones has hurt the organization.
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Luke Morrow
That's fair. Yeah. Troy is pretty critical. So. So I don't. Yeah, I don't think there's that reputation. I mentioned earlier that, you know, we. I grew up in Connecticut, and we grew up as Red Sox fans. Jim Reynolds, I don't know if he's still an umpire, but he was a longtime umpire in Major League Baseball, and he grew up in our town, and he was a Red Sox fan. And so that was always the theory. People would always say, oh, this guy, he always screws the Red Sox just so people can't accuse him of any bias as a big league umpire.
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Seth Payne
I wish he lived in the age of ABS where. Check him on this. You can't get away with that crap no more.
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Luke Morrow
That's right.
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Seth Payne
Even if you're doing it subconsciously. You know, now they. They've got data on every single pitch.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, he. He retired after 2022.
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Seth Payne
He knew what was coming down the pike. He saw that this ABS thing was entering the minors, and it was just a matter of time. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. So Argentina gets that big win. Brady very impressed. Hey, speaking of Belichick, the Patriots, so on and so forth. I don't know if you saw this, Seth, but Seth Wickersham is writing a book on the Broncos, I guess, and he was. He followed the Broncos. He was in the room, the locker room, and everything throughout the playoff run.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And this tidbit came out from the upcoming book that Sean Payton had the idea that when Belichick was essentially let go from the Patriots, he had the idea to bring in Belichick to be the acting head coach of the Broncos. Sean Payton would become his offensive coordinator, and they would wait until Belichick got the 15 wins to set the record, and then Sean Payton would take over once again for the head coach, and Belichick would retire after getting his 15 wins. This.
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Seth Payne
This is a cockamamie scheme that just might have been cockamamie enough to work. And I. It's the biggest surprise for me is that it came from Sean Payton, who's got a huge ego. And I honestly feel like that's. I. I'm impressed. I'm impressed by Sean Payton, that. Either because of his loyalty to Belichick or because he just, like, thought it would be a really interesting way to shake things up, you know? You don't share my being impressed, huh?
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Luke Morrow
Cause I don't. I don't buy this.
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Seth Payne
I think you don't think it was real at all. You think? Oh, you think it's pr.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, you mentioned that. Ego. So I think that's why Sean Payton wouldn't do it. I think that's why he makes up this story to put in a book and come out now of like, hey, I was willing to have Belichick. I had this great idea of Belichick setting the record. I'd be his offensive coordinator. I don't buy it for one second.
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Seth Payne
That's. That's like, after I read, I just read the Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich, trying to brush up on my World War II history. And that's what all the. All the Nazis afterwards were like. Ah, by the way, I had this incredible plan. We were just about to put it into action to topple the regime. I'll tell you what, that Hitler guy, he was no good from the get go, I could tell you. But that's what I was gonna do.
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Luke Morrow
Right?
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Seth Payne
You guys just got here too soon. I was ready. I had the gun in my hand. I was about to assassinate him. Then all of a sudden, you guys all came rolling into Berlin. Whoops. Yeah. So I get off, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I like your way of thinking. Yeah. This is. This is just propaganda by Peyton. You never actually planned on doing this?
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Luke Morrow
It's like my friend I referenced on Monday, who, whenever there was a scuffle or a fight, he'd always say, man, if one more punch was thrown, I was gonna jump in. It's like, okay, I'm sure you were those guys.
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Seth Payne
Those guys don't know how lucky they were that I didn't unleash the Dragon. Right, Exactly. You guys call me Dragon, right? My alter ego.
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Luke Morrow
I'm not a Sean Payton fan. I don't buy any of his nonsense. And I don't buy this either.
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Seth Payne
He plays the media game hardcore.
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Commercial Announcer
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Seth Payne
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Luke Morrow
He's just. The media loves him. And that's why he's almost Teflon himself. And you get this story instead real quick, because we gotta run. J.J. watt announces a guest shark on Shark Tank, which somebody just said on the text line, I want JJ to be a commentator on an Astros game. Or even you, Seth. Well, JJ is going to be on the tv, but for Shark Tank, would you tune in to watch JJ Watt on Shark Tank?
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Seth Payne
JJ Watt on Shark Tank. So now he's. He's submitting a business proposal. I think it's like Celebrity shark tank, because Mr. Mr. Beast is on there, too. But this is how. Let me Ask you real quick if this is the right resume for J.J. watt. They've got his photo here. This is J.J. watts resume. So for non football fans, they'll understand what a big celebrity they're dealing with. Former NFL defensive lineman, first round draft pick of the Houston Texans, founder of the Justin J. Watt Foundation. Well, gosh, sounds like a. It sounds like it never really worked out for the young man in the NFL. But at least he started a foundation, right? Yeah, yeah. Like there's each one of those things. You could have put something else that made a lot more sense to frame just the level of sports celebrity. Damn.
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Luke Morrow
It sounds right to me. Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Mr. Mr. Beast. It's founder of the Mr. Beast channel on YouTube. Like, oh, okay, that's it. That's. There's like literally millions of YouTube channel founders. He's done a little bit more of that with it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah. Nothing happened after he started the page and Nothing happened for J.J. watt that was noteworthy after he was drafted in the first round. Except now that he's gonna be on Shark Tank.
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Seth Payne
I'm just setting, I'm getting angry in advance after they reject JJ's idea, whatever it is. Well, JJ's got a lot of side business that do really well. So I am actually intrigued that it might be, it might be something that entices one of the billionaires.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, he's quite, he's quite the businessman. So tune in to Shark Tank to check that out. I don't even know when the date is on the episode, but tune in. Hey, coming up, Terry and Arnold. This story just gets crazier and crazier. I need Seth to explain it for me and we'll do it next here on Pain and Pender. Gas.
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on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We gotta talk about this Terry and Arnold story that just gets crazier and crazier. It's Pain and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow, in for Sean alongside Seth Payne.
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Seth Payne
It's crazy and it's confusing to follow and I was thinking that yesterday as I was reading it, I was like, okay, boy, this is, this is a lot. There's a lot of things involved with this Terry and Arnold. So I figured we'd, we could lay it out and explain from this article in the Athletic, like as we know it, what happened, what didn't happen, and whether Terry and Arnold actually has a chance of beating this thing, which I, I feel like no. And yet his lawyers, his lawyers tend to do. They, they bring up some valid points in all of this. But so the Athletic. Did you read this article, Luke?
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I did, yeah. It was really well done and interesting for sure.
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Seth Payne
I tried to but they, you know, they jump around on the timeline all over the place and there's so many names involved. I made some bullet points to just explain the whole gist of what's going on? And I think there's two things right up the get go that you need to know is that Terry and Arnold was robbed from and did report it to the police, but in the meantime he also went after the guys he thought had robbed him. And that's why there's. So he was initially the victim, but then he went after the guys that he thought had robbed him. But it all started for a guy that was characterized in the draft process as just a stand up dude. And you know, Nick Saban and Ms. Terry just absolutely loved him. Nick Saban still vouched for him at the end of January this year. It was, it's unclear. It was late January, early February. It was right at the end of January, very beginning of February. He rented an Airbnb in Largo, Florida, which is just across the bay from Tampa, and had himself a weekend there with as many as 20 people coming and going at any given time. And somewhere along the way, somebody stole $100,000 in cash, $80,000 diamond chain and pendant with his initials in it, designer bags, four pairs of Louis Vuitton shoes, two Rolex watches, a cell phone, and his Bible, which is a weird thing to steal. It's true. I don't know how the Bible got wrapped up into all of this, but they sold. I'm guessing it must. I bet, I bet it was in a duffel bag that had all that.
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Luke Morrow
That's true.
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Seth Payne
Or I'm going to grab the duffel bag with it.
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Luke Morrow
I was gonna say maybe it was like a stash Bible. You already seen the movie where they cut out the pages and they hide something in the Bible because he did tell the cops that that was the most important thing.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So at that point, he's the victim, they realize it as it's going on, and he calls the police because he says he got robbed the weekend itself. So basically, one of the neighbors said that it seemed like at any given time there were like 20 people at the house. They were coming and going. The security code to the Airbnb was entered hundreds of times throughout the weekend. So a boatload of people had it. Neighbors said that it was pretty raucous. The homeowners association president said they've changed their policy on Airbnb rentals based on this. This one weekend alone. Neighbors discussing a stripper standing on a counter visible from the kitchen. At one point, the Airbnb host estimated that it took three cleaners, seven hours and 20 trash bags to clean the townhouse. After Arnold checked out. This is a townhouse. So they had a wall to wall neighbor potentially in this.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Somebody said they got woken up at
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Seth Payne
like 4:00am yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then it was. They were just coming and going from the clubs the whole time. The owner of the cleaning company told police that her cleaner saw multiple firearms inside the residence, including an. Including a long gun of some sort and a notebook they believed was used to log the sale of narcotics. That part there was, that part was interesting because I'm like, wait, okay. The cleaners said that they thought it was for the sale of narcotics. I got, I need a little bit more detail there is that, like how, how did they come to that conclusion other than that? Like, wow, this looks a lot like a drug scene and there's a notebook. I don't know. So it's. So it might, it might be hard to figure out, okay, who actually took all this stuff with all of these people. Arnold goes across the street and asks a neighbor to help him out by looking at their nest cam footage. And tarry. And Arnold begins to suspect two young men who had been around the group. And this is where, this is where, like to put into perspective some of Terry and Arnold's decision making, whether he was or was not involved in the crime that you're about to hear about. One of them is a 19 year old dude, Jan Lopez, that he'd hired to be their driver for the weekend. Never hire a 19 year old to be your driver for the weekend. 2 Danny Tanesca Tanasaka, an 18 year old barber who had cut Arnold's hair. They had been hanging out. But then Arnold gets a call from his sister, apparently on his other cell phone, asking him, hey, what are you doing in Miami? And he says, I'm not in Miami. What are you talking about? And she said, well, your phone is. And that's when he remembers that the Lopez kid had been hired to be a driver at a rap concert or something down in South Florida. And he starts feeling like, okay, these are guys that did it. Lopez and Tenasaka. And what police contend is that at that point Terry and Arnold hatched a scheme with his girlfriend or a girl he was dating, ariana Delval, who's 18 years old and she'd been dating Arnold since they met at a club a few weeks earlier. So this is, this is meant to be, this is love, of course. And he hatches this scheme. They allege that he hatched the scheme. Arnold's lawyers would argue that these friends of his acted independently. These are the people that have been arrested so far. There's these two women, one of whom is a girl he's dating, and then four of his buddies who were there. And I'm not going to go into the names of all of them because it gets too confusing. So the women and. Or Terry and Arnold hatch a scheme to set up the driver. And they were. The young woman. Ariana del Valle is going to have her friend Jasmine Randazzo try to lure Lopez to their apartment with the promise of sex. So. Or at least necking or something. You know, just, hey, come on over at midnight or whatever. So they end up luring the Lopez and Tenasaka and some other unnamed dude to their house, to their apartment, where two of Terry and Arnold's buddies are waiting in a closet. And when the Lopez kids. Was it Lopez or 10 Osaka that showed that went into the house? That was.
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Luke Morrow
I thought. I don't know. Honestly.
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Seth Payne
One went in initially and then. Yeah, no, Lopez was outside first, and then he. And then he came inside at one point. They all three of them eventually end up in the apartment. And at various times, Terry and Arnold's friends are sticking a gun in their mouths, threatening to kill them, taking their jackets, taking their phones, taking everything. And eventually they shove him out the door and they send them on their way. And meanwhile, what the prosecutors contend is that on that evening, Terry and Arnold had called to report the missing items. These other guys weighed in and reported the missing items. But then he. But then he claims he was nowhere near the actual apartment. Didn't have anything to do with that. The. The testimony from all these other people is that, no, he was sitting in the car outside the apartment and that he was there the whole time. And that's where we. That's where we stand right now. And I think he's supposed to have some kind of a trial on Friday, but it's a. It's a. He's either. He's either somehow completely innocent or he was trying to be a criminal mastermind and kept his. He wasn't involved in the group text that was setting all of this up or anything. But I'm guessing that all six of those people dimed him out, and that might be the biggest shock to him when it comes to being a criminal kingpin. People will dime you out. There is no. You watch too much Netflix of people like enduring torture and stuff and not giving up names. They're going to dime you out first chance they get.
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Luke Morrow
It happened to me. My buddies and I did something stupid in sixth Grade. We ended up getting suspended for from school in sixth grade. But it was one of my friends was the one that got caught, and he snitched on both me and the third person involved. We're still best friends to this day. But my father, I remember it was so embarrassing. They called us out of class, pulled us into the principal's office. Our parents were already sitting there. And I was like, oh, they caught us. And when we walked out, my father said, let this be a lesson that you can't trust anybody. And I was like, yep, that's right. My best friend dimed me out.
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Seth Payne
So, yes, you're here. Well, you know what, though? To be fair to your friend though, too, kids. Kids are a sucker for the old. Hey, you know what? Luke Morrow already told me everything that happened. So you can either do the same or you're. You're in hot water, pal. And, yeah, so they fall for that lickety split. Yeah, as do many, many adults. Yeah, I learned it when I was. My friends, Sean and Casey, they were. They were fraternal twins, and we were over at their house. I've told this story, but later in the day before. So some of you may not have heard it, we were, I'm guessing like 7 or 8 years old. And we had this idea that, you know what? Nobody uses that shed out in your backyard. Let's tear it down and build a fort off in the woods using the lumber. I remember we were big on talking about the lumber because it felt very manly. We're going to take that lumber and we're going to build a fort with it. So we get into Terranuba, you know, we find a crowbar and a hammer and some stuff, and we start. We start tearing apart this useless shed in their backyard. And we're about, you know, we got. We got a few. We got a few things off of the shed, and all of a sudden, the next door neighbor comes, like, stalking angrily into the backyard, saying, what the hell are you kids doing to our shed? To my shed? And which was news to me. I had no idea it wasn't Sean and Casey's shed. Yeah, it wasn't even their shed. It was their neighbor's shed.
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Luke Morrow
Classic.
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Seth Payne
So Sean and I go to take off running because that's what men do. And Casey, the bastard, grabs us both by the collar. He's bigger than both of us and says, that's okay, sir. I got him. I saw what they were up to. And this doofus idiot next door neighbor believes him. And Sean and I, but Sean and I are still abiding by like, can't sell Casey out even though he just sold us out completely.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
And even though Casey never got in trouble with. With their dad or anything.
- [58:47]
Luke Morrow
Wow, that's a good move.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. Sean and I got spanked by Mr. Sanderson. Then Casey was scot free eating strawberry ice cream somewhere.
- [58:54]
Luke Morrow
That's funny. That's a props to him. I got to give him credit there. That's a.
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Seth Payne
Taught me a lesson that day. He did.
- [58:59]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's right.
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Seth Payne
I gotta seek him out afterwards. My list of people to seek vengeance on has grown ever since you. Since you started co hosting this week.
- [59:07]
Luke Morrow
That's true.
- [59:08]
Seth Payne
Hey, we got the kid that I beat up in peewee football.
- [59:12]
Luke Morrow
Yep.
- [59:13]
Seth Payne
And there was somebody else from the show yesterday.
- [59:15]
Luke Morrow
Was your wrestling the person that embarrassed you in wrestling in high school?
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Seth Payne
Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. That kid. Okay. I got to see him out and go through my old bracket list from tournaments. This, the Terry and Arnold thing. I just don't. I. We wondered at one point in the draft two years ago whether the Texans were trading up the draft. Were trying to trade up the draft, Terry and Arnold. Because he seemed a lot like Will Anderson in the things that people were saying about him, what a leader he was at Alabama, how much Nick Saban loved him and everything. And I wonder if this is a. I wonder if this is something where he had tendencies and he kept them well hidden or he had a secret life in college or if this is just. Man, classic rookie. Rookie. Just got a boatload of money real quick and trying to do right by his old buddies. Like they just ended up getting into a big boatload of trouble. That the deed he got in way over his head. I don't know.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. I think it's mixed in with the bad, with the wrong people because even the neighbor said, like, he was very polite. He was great when he came over to check the video footage. But the rest of his group was so obnoxious and like, immature or whatever.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. The neighbors said, like he wanted to say to him. Again, going back to people bragging about what they wanted to say. Yeah, sure. Like they wanted to tell a man, this is your brand, your identity. You gotta like, yeah. Careful about who you're associated.
- [60:33]
Luke Morrow
Right. Stop hanging out with these kids. And it reminds me kind of Aaron Hernandez. Now, Hernan, Aaron Hernandez was born of the things you mentioned, where he was living like that secret life in college that people didn't realize.
- [60:42]
Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
But also a lot of it. I mean, he, he seemed to want to be a gangster, but a lot of it seemed to be tied to also just the group he ran around his friends that he had grown up with in Bristol, Connecticut. And so I think that's part of it because the, the article describes like you said, I mean Taron. Everyone sung the praise of Taryn Arnold. He had good grades, he was a good student. You know, he did all these different things. They're wearing a lot of red flags. I think it's more so just hanging out with the wrong people. I know he's not that old but like you know, you're dating an 18 year old you met in the club. You have a 19 year old driving you around. Like those people typically a little more immature. They don't have the money that you. They're not millionaires like you are. I think he might just be with the wrong people.
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Seth Payne
It is. No, I think about like Tiger woods when he was a young guy like was living in that neighborhood that had all these legends, legendary athletes and older veteran guys, you know and like. Well, Tiger initially in his career was off to a splendid start for a long, long time. But I like yeah, there is a, there's a part of just kind of managing who you have around you.
- [61:44]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
And like the kind of trouble you can get into if like it's probably one of the, It's a. It's one of the hardest things for young athletes sometimes is knowing how to draw that hard line and just saying like man, like we can't be living like this. We gotta like you're either you either act a certain way or we can't hang out no more. And it's hard to do. But the fact that the Lions. The fact that the Lions cut him so quickly, I just. I wonder if there's more to it.
- [62:13]
Luke Morrow
I.
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Seth Payne
Because even with everything that people talked about with him, it would have been a huge surprise if I. If you learned that he wasn't conducting himself professionally around the building or anything. But I like even with the transgression and even if they believed that that was true, I think most teams are still going to. Given that he was a first round draft pick are going to try to wait and see. Exactly. And see what the recovery process looks like. I don't know it's for sure situation.
- [62:41]
Luke Morrow
Yeah. I mean I heard a report. I don't know if it's true or not. I should fact check it before I bring it to radio. But I did hear it on the radio that the Raiders have interest in Terry and Arnold. So I think there are definitely teams that if he does get out of this, or even if it's just like whatever, say a year sentence, almost like, who's a Henry Ruggs, that, I think, you know, teams would still be interested, potentially at least kick the tires on him if he becomes available. If and when he becomes available because of that potential.
- [63:07]
Seth Payne
What the. What happened with. Did Henry Rugs get turned down for his probation?
- [63:11]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, he has another year.
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Seth Payne
So he was up for parole and he was denied parole.
- [63:15]
Luke Morrow
Yeah. So he has to wait another year. But they were already scuttlebutt of like, hey, when he gets out of prison, there's some teams that would be interested. So.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, because he was another one. Ruggs was another guy that didn't have any kind of character flags or anything coming out, and it was just such a mess. And with the Raiders to begin with, with everything going on there. But, yeah, no, he'll get another chance as long as he doesn't. But, like, some guys are. Some guys are so bad at even faking the recovery process that they don't like. Which might be why you didn't. I don't know. There's certain things you say and don't say when you're up for parole. Same way, like there's certain things you say and don't say when you're. When you're. When you're interviewing with NFL teams. I don't know.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. And to your point, he tried. He was not in the group text, like he said. He stayed in the car and didn't go up there.
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Reggie Figgins
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Does he not get any credit for that? He tried to keep his hands clean.
- [64:04]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. Come on. He's. He didn't have his burner phone to. Because these guys had stolen it, so he couldn't even be as removed from it as possible. Yeah.
- [64:15]
Luke Morrow
Actually, now that you bring that up, maybe that's why he was. I don't know, when he got a new phone. Maybe that's why he wasn't in the group chat. Now that I think about it, he
- [64:21]
Seth Payne
didn't know his wife, he didn't know his phone was missing until his sister called him on a different telephone of some sort. Or maybe she got a hold of him through one of his friends. But he's got at least two phones, which I'm guessing is pretty common with young athletes. But it's. Yeah. I don't. The prosecutors seem dead set on. No, yeah, he was definitely involved with this. Arnold's lawyers are just basically painting him as a victim. Of circumstance because he's got all these dodgy friends who just acted on their own to do all this.
- [64:52]
Luke Morrow
No, he has to be involved. How much he's involved, I think is the debate. And that can lesser like the punishment. But even the fact that he told the cops afterwards of like, you know what, don't worry, we can drop the whole like, investigating my missing things because, you know, they thought that they got their revenge that they didn't need to investigate anymore.
- [65:08]
Seth Payne
Yeah. And the big detail that I forgot that a lot of you already know. Except the prosecutors contend that no, those two kids that they threatened with death and everything. No, they were not the ones who stole his stuff. So the amateur police investigation that Terry and Arnold ran, unless he was a better sleuth than the cops were that it looks like they attacked and threatened the wrong guys altogether.
- [65:33]
Luke Morrow
And that's honestly probably the biggest thing. If you attack the right guys, I don't know if they're gonna go to the cops because they did something illegal themselves they robbed from you.
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Seth Payne
That's actually, that's what makes me believe most that Lopez and the other guy didn't do it is the fact that they went to the cops. If they had actually stolen it and everything and gotten roughed up, they're probably not going. Going to the cops.
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Luke Morrow
It's a good point.
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Seth Payne
Whenever you play vigilante, you gotta. Yeah. You gotta be really. You gotta cross. Cross your T's and dot your I's on all this stuff. You get away with a lot of vigilantism as long as you're getting the correct people.
- [66:03]
Luke Morrow
That's right. Not everyone is Charles Bronson.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Somebody said on the text line, wow, I can't believe John Lopez did all that. Jk. Lol. What was that guy's name? Yan Lopez. Was that his name? Because when you said it, I was
- [66:15]
Seth Payne
like, wait, JLo it is. Let me see.
- [66:19]
Luke Morrow
Sorry to put you on.
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Seth Payne
I got rid of so many numbers. Yeah, it's Yan Lopez.
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Luke Morrow
Right. So not John Lopez.
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Commercial Announcer
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
I wasn't trying to do some kind of pronunciation that I don't know. I'm sure I'm mispronouncing it, but Yan Lopez and Danny Tenasaka.
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Luke Morrow
My favorite part from the whole story, that. Which is what you mentioned that neighbors discussed seeing a stripper standing on a counter visible from the kitchen window youw could see it from outside, like, oh, there's just somebody stripping in there. And then the fact that as you said, the very next sentence of the paragraph, it took cleaners three cleaners, seven hours. So that's 21 hours of cleaning, 20 trash bags and 20 trash bags to clean a townhome. I've had my place cleaned before and usually, like you get two cleaners, it takes two hours tops to clean the place. Seven hours. With three cleaners, that place had to be a mess.
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Seth Payne
Not to mention, you know, the damage Terry and Arnold did do his actual Airbnb reviews on that. Like, that's up to. That's the big thing, man. That's my one tip for Airbnbs is I always, I always budget like an hour of cleaning time before I leave because that's what I'll, that's what will get you the most. That's what I get you the most recognition from a host and say you're pleasant and yes, you should definitely rent to this person.
- [67:30]
Luke Morrow
Absolutely.
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Seth Payne
Which I. And I know you're already getting screwed with a cleaning fee and everything. Airbnb's got all kinds of issues and problems, but, but I, I use it a fair amount and I'm pretty. Like all the horror stories you hear about Airbnb, like, if you're the person renting them, if you're a tenant, a customer is like, look at the reviews, man. Like, if you get a, if you go to a three star reviewed property, yeah, you're not gonna have a good time. It's gonna be a, it's gonna be a sty.
- [67:58]
Luke Morrow
It's true.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
It's similar to growing up, we would have somebody come clean the house like maybe once a month. And we always had to clean for the cleaners. And it's like, isn't that the. Aren't they coming to clean? Why do I need to clean up the house for the cleaner? Who's going to come clean? It's the same idea. Like, you're paying. They're going to bring in cleaners for the Airbnb. But still, you better clean first.
- [68:16]
Seth Payne
No, my wife.
- [68:16]
Luke Morrow
For the cleaner.
- [68:17]
Seth Payne
My wife broke me good on this one. She, she's, she's, she's psychotic about that. Like cleaning a hotel room before she goes and everything. But now I've realized that the, the more I clean, the less things I forget and leave behind. Ever since I started really. Like, I now do the same thing with hotels and Airbnb. I clean like, I give it a full cleaning and usually I'm like, oh, there's my iPhone. Charger. Cool, I needed that. Oh, yeah. Oh, the rental car keys. Yeah. Those are good things to have.
- [68:46]
Luke Morrow
It's true. When you're in a hotel, do you unpack the bag and actually use the drawers and the dresser in the hotel or do you just like kind of live out of your suitcase?
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Seth Payne
If I'm going to be there for. Usually if it's going to. If I'm there for more than three days, I unpack.
- [68:59]
Luke Morrow
I don't think I ever unpack. I could be a week trip. I'm always just living out of the suitcase.
- [69:04]
Seth Payne
It helps psychologically a little bit if you unpack. Yeah, for me at least, I just don't. I feel like I can just get into an actual routine and do like a lot of times when I'm traveling, I'm also working. That's where you fall. Whenever you're on a working vacation, like it happens at the super bowl every single year, you realize after day three that you're like, oh wait, yeah, I'm still doing all my normal everyday activities. I probably shouldn't try to pack in a full vacation day on top of this because I'm tired.
- [69:31]
Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, Grumpy. And I'm throwing things at my co host. Yeah.
- [69:35]
Luke Morrow
Oh my gosh. Of course. Check out the Terry and Arnold. The whole story on New York Times or the Athletic. They did a good job of summarizing it, as did Seth going through the article. But if you want to view it more in depth, go find the article. Hey, speaking of messes, we've been talking about Brandon Ayuk and actually there's more. He had another social media post on the last 24 hours that we'll get to, but here was Jason McCourty who has some advice for Brandon Iuk in this whole mess.
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Seth Payne
As a former player, you see these videos and you. You try not to assume or place anything on anyone because you don't know what's going on. But as I look at it, he's already went on videos and mentioned numerous times that he's going to be a part of the commander's team. If all of that was to happen, I would just, if I was his friend, I would just say just put the phone down. Just go work out and don't say anything because for all of the necessary steps, you talked about applying for reinstatement with Commissioner Goodell and doing all of those things, being released, all of those things he doesn't have to do, file the paperwork and then let all of those things take its course. Then when whoever signs you, you show up renewed and ready to go. From everything, from the outside looking in, it looks like a troubled person that's posting Videos and doing all these things of this nature. I hope somebody does take a flyer and signs him on a veteran minimum so that he can be back in the locker room. I think that's such a key component of being back around guys, being on routine and being with people that have your best interest in mind.
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Commercial Announcer
Where are the people who love him in his life, in his circle? They take that phone and put it in a safe somewhere because it just continues to get worse.
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Seth Payne
And if you're Washington, you can go sign a Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, who
- [71:12]
Commercial Announcer
would be less of a headache right
- [71:14]
Seth Payne
now to bring them in.
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Commercial Announcer
The Washington commanders don't really need this at this point.
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Seth Payne
So that's Jeremy Fowler at the end. And this is what's continued to annoy me with the Brandon Aiyuk stuff. It's like, somehow this always happens in these situations where somebody's going off the wires, just losing it. It's like, where are the people who love him? Like, how are we. How are we turning them into the guilty parties here? Like, everybody. It's clear that Brandon Ayuk is not listening to anybody right now. He doesn't even understand the process that he has to do to detach himself from the 49ers. Like, he keeps saying that the 49ers need to cut him. They can't cut him until he files for reinstatement. There's no. He's on a did not show list, which is something that I'd never heard of before in the NFL. He just. Because he just didn't show up, he's on a did not show list. And I like. Which would lead me to believe that he's not listening to anybody or hearing anything from anybody. It feels like he's just. It feels like he's kind of walled himself off from the world and he's not taking advice from anybody. There's not anybody there to take the phone from him.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, right. This might be, like, an unfair comparison, but it was similar. People always say the same thing about, like, Delonte west, the former NBA player, who. There's videos of him walking around, like, on the street. At a certain point, people have to help themselves. You can only do so much. And I've dealt with somebody firsthand that has had mental health problems. And I'm not saying that's. I don't know if that's the case or not with Brandon Aiyuk, but the point being, like, same idea. There's only so much you can do. Eventually. They need to do something themselves to help themselves out so, yeah.
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Seth Payne
Why doesn't somebody take the phone away from him? What? Have you ever tried to take your phone away from a full grown crazy man?
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Oregon Lottery Advertiser
Right?
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Seth Payne
Like, no, there's no taking. Hey, hey, listen, I know you're in a paranoid, delusional state, but what I'd really love to do is take your phone. How you feel about that? Yeah, good luck with that.
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Luke Morrow
By the way, speaking of that phone, Brandon Iuk did have another post yesterday, and he said he will not be filing for reinstatement. And then he also used the commander's hashtag at the end of the post, so he's still on the commander's train.
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Seth Payne
So everything that Jason McCourty said there about how, man, maybe the best thing for him is getting back in a structure and a routine and being around football players. The one big detail that he kind of just flew by was just sign at the veteran minimum and go play somewhere. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think Brandon Iuk, in his current state of mind, probably has any. Any appetite at all for. For. Does he seem like a guy who realizes that he's got to, you know, maybe start back at square one and prove himself all over again? It doesn't seem like he's. Like he's in that state of mind right now. I just. I'm leaning more and more towards. He just doesn't even want to play football. Like, it can't. It's not that hard to understand that he has to file the reinstatement paperwork before anything can happen. And yet he just routinely keeps getting up and making these statements like the 49ers are holding him hostage and all this. And it just, It. Like it doesn't make any logical sense. I don't. I don't think he's in a state of mind to make decisions. Like, he's gone. You know, he's gone. He's gone full Britney Spears on this, where you're kind of like, all right, she probably needs a custodian. It just shouldn't be her father. Like, this is the. But like, can we. Can we find a middle ground somewhere that. All right, so maybe the 49ers don't need to be his legal custodian, but he definitely needs some kind of guidance or something because he doesn't. He just doesn't seem like he's in his right mind.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, no, A hundred percent. And we'll see how it all plays out. Somebody. We played a piece of audio earlier this week. I forget where it came from. I just have the, the, the comment in my head. But yeah, look, on the field he hasn't scored a touchdown and I think it's 30 months and now off the field you have these problems too. So like, you know, he was already not the most premier option of like if he was a free agent just simply because of the on field performance, was injured last year, hasn't been as good last couple years. And now you factor in all this stuff.
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Seth Payne
Well, I mean he was in 2023, he had 1342 yards receiving and then he comes in and they, they have the long ordeal with the potential trade to the Steelers and then the, the 49ers end up signing him and then he wasn't, he wasn't playing that effectively but then also got injured. And some of that, some of that early performance in 2024, it just felt like the classic man. Guys come off of a long holdout and they either don't perform as well or they get injured and both of those things happened. So, yeah, given, given the saga over the last 18 months or so and how the fact that he didn't come off of that first, like protracted, I don't want to call it a holdout or whatever, you know, the missed training camp and everything that if he didn't do well in that scenario, how well is he going to do after having two years off completely? I wouldn't be super optimistic about it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah, certainly. So that's, that's the latest in the whole IUK ordeal.
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Seth Payne
I've heard zero clamor from Texans fans wanting iuk. If he becomes free and I'm going to be the one that holds that flag, I'll be the standard bearer for bringing. Bring iuk. Bring IUK in. As long as he's on a. For a veteran minimum contract and with the full expectation that he might be gone in 12 hours if things don't work out. Well, it's just got to be a matter of just like, oh, okay. Oh, that. You know what? First hint of trouble, you're gone. Sorry.
- [76:29]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, I don't know if it's worth the trouble. I don't think I would touch him with 10 foot pole.
- [76:33]
Seth Payne
Teams will touch him for a veteran minimum contract, which means he's going to get more than a veteran. Somebody's going to take it. Somebody's going to take a flyer on him if he wants to play football. And I would guess, I think it, I think it's actually going to be more money than people expect. Hey, it's going to Be. It'd be like, it'd be somewhere south of $10 million, but more than. More than $4 million plus incentives.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. If you can play, someone will take you. We were just talking about Terry and Arnold. I think if he's cleared or at least cleared soon enough, I think he might get another opportunity. Henry Ruggs potentially still might. I think iuk, if he does actually become available, I think certainly someone will take a shot on him.
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Seth Payne
There's a good chance Terry and Arnold is going to be doing real jail time, though, too, if I'm saying it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. That's why if he gets. If his. His lawyers do prove that he's completely innocent here and he gets off scot
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Seth Payne
free in a situation like this, it's better off if he does go to jail. I feel like if you, if you do hard time and then just like. Well, like, Ray Lewis was different because Ray Lewis was already a proven awesome football player. There was never an end. There was never any doubt that the Ravens were going to take him back. But I do feel like it's. It's easier for people to digest, okay, you committed a violent crime. You did actually have to serve jail time for it. The. The story is easier to package and sell about the retribution part if society feels like he's. He's been punished for his crimes.
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Luke Morrow
Real quick, would you decline an invitation to that Kelsey Swift wedding Friday night at msg? Apparently, Saquon Barkley did, at least according to the Charles Barkley. Oh, Char. Oh, sorry, sorry. Just a bar.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Yes, of course, Charles Barkley declined the invitation, according to the fanatic in Philadelphia. So you didn't get the invite to
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Seth Payne
the royal wedding at Madison Square Garden then?
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Reggie Figgins
I did.
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Luke Morrow
Oh, you did get the invite. You didn't go.
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Seth Payne
I don't go to weddings. That's one of. I don't go to weddings or funerals. But I did get an invite, and I politely declined because I thought it was going to be a crap show. And like, I love Travis and Jason and I've only met Taylor one time. But yeah, I did get an invite, but I said, hey, you know what? That's just too much. I just want to hang out and play golf and I don't want to dress up and all that other stuff. But I appreciate the invitation. It was pretty special. I felt better about, you know, you'd asked me yesterday if I would have accepted the invitation if I was invited. And I think I said no, didn't I? My first gut tells me, like, God, no, I don't Want any part to do with that. I feel better that Barkley would have declined it, too, just because he's. He's a very. I. Sometimes I worry I'm a little introverted when it comes to real life. And if Barkley, who's extremely extroverted, doesn't. Doesn't bother with stuff like this, that seems like the right choice.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it's just a spectacle. I would go just for the experience or just to say I was there, but I'm already at that age where, like, it just. It seems like too much of a hassle. Like he was saying, you got to get dressed up. I don't know where Barkley lives. I think in the Atlanta area, you got to go to New York. It's July 4th weekend. You're dealing with so many people there. There's probably going to be paparazzi outside if you leave msg. Like, it just sounds like there's too much going on. I'm just going to hang out at home, relax, not worry about that.
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Seth Payne
It's a lot. And. And especially for somebody that you don't know. And like, let's be realistic. It's a. It's a celebrity marriage. If it works out long term, that's a. That's the exception, not the standard when it comes to celebrity marriages. Just to feel like I've the same reason. I don't get. I. I would look at that event like any other awards show or anything else, or unless I'm really interested in it, there's not. I don't personally know these people. I'm not going to it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's a good point. I would have no interest in going to any of the award shows. And except for, I guess it's not an award show, but like the Rock and Roll hall of Fame induction because you actually have all the performances and everything. But yeah, the actual. Like the Grammys or Emmys or whatever, like, I don't care. So similar here.
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Seth Payne
I kind of like to go to the sps just because I enjoy. I enjoy athletes not taking it while getting roasted. Look, at least. At least at the Oscars and everything. They're actors and they know how to fake like they're laughing at themselves. I feel like with the athletes, sometimes it's. There's just some. There's just some brutally awesome moments where the crowd gets uncomfortable because they don't want Pat Mahomes to know that they're laughing at him either, or something like that. I like the awkwardness of it.
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Luke Morrow
Ricky Gervais did such a Great job hosting the Golden Globes. I always. The last time he did it, whatever year that was, I watch that video on YouTube all the time because it's great when he's roasting everybody in the room. But it's so funny. Also, they keep showing Tom Hanks who is so like disturbed with the jokes. He is not.
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Seth Payne
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's not having it.
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Reggie Figgins
No.
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Luke Morrow
And he's looking around like, what, are you kidding me? And it's just so funny. It's like, lighten up. Laugh at your.
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Seth Payne
See, I never saw, I don't know what show it was on, but Ricky Gervais did a skit on some show where Johnny Depp comes in to. Basically they were, they were going to ask him to do a role or something and Johnny Depp comes in. Just live it about. Live it about some joke they had told about Johnny Depp. And it's good. Like Johnny Depp showed that he could, it seemed like he could laugh at himself, but. But you're not quite sure because he is an actor.
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Luke Morrow
That's true. Yeah.
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Seth Payne
I haven't seen their agents telling them like, hey, make it look like you just love all this and you're, you're going along with it. Fun guy.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah. I haven't seen it, but I do love Ricky and I also, at least before all that drama, I always love Johnny Depp as well. So have to check it out. Hey, coming up, how many coaches would you take ahead of d' Amico Ryan's? We'll get to that next pain.
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That's right. On audio and video every Monday and Thursday. Follow and listen to Fly on the Wall everywhere you get your podcasts. How many coaches would you take ahead of d' Amico Ryan's? It's Payton and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean alongside Seth Payne 713-572-4610 on the text line or YouTube and Twitch chats as well. I've mentioned it's list season. Well, Pro Football Focus put out their list of the top 10 coaches head coaches in the NFL entering the 2026 season. And so if you look at this list again, you can find that Pro football focus number one, Sean McVeigh number two Andy Reid number three Kyle Shanahan number four Mike McDonald after just winning the Super bowl, number five Dan Campbell number six Matt LaFleur. And then at number seven you get to D' Amico Ryan. Seth, what are your thoughts on spot?
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Seth Payne
I was pleasantly surprised by this ranking and I just because I think d', Ameco, he's still a young coach but the fact that they have him ahead of Mike Vrabel, ahead of Jim Harbaugh and. Well, and ahead of Sean Payton, who's number eight. Yeah, so he's ahead of Sean Payton, Mike Vrabel and Jim Harbaugh without having him made to a championship game, even a conference championship game. I think that I could see a lot of people in other markets having issues with this. I personally think there's some things about d' Ameco above and beyond the actual, the actual record and more about just the way he operates as a human being and as a coach that I really, I would prefer to have him as a coach over just about anybody on this, on this list. But that, but he, that does. But he still hasn't proven it the way a lot of those guys do. I think for d', Ameco, the biggest thing is in the process he's in right now is okay. Defensive minded coach came in, the defense has been awesome. It's been one of the best two defenses really over the last. If you go back to 20, 23 in a lot of respects, it's been, it's, it's one of the best three defenses over the course of that three year period. But last year was the first year where it felt like, okay, he took a step further into being a genuine head coach. When he gives Matt Burke play calling on defense, d' Amico spends more time with the offense and it's not like there were immediate results or anything. But I think his mindset as a head coach right now is much more of a. He's not just the defensive coordinator who also happens to be the head coach. And that's what you get sometimes with guys earlier in their career. I think I feel like he's like a genuine overseer of everything right now. And it's a matter of troubleshooting and coaching your coaches and all that stuff. That's the, that's the stuff that's gotta vault them up into that next tier category. But everything else, it's just, it's hard to find a lot of. I mean, we've got little things about game management here and there and everything and the fact that the offense is still disappointing. But I'm, I am, I'm genuinely surprised that they put him as high as they did on a list like this with all the other potential names and guys that have longer resumes.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I am too. I honestly might have flipped the back half of this list. Like I'm not a Sean Payton guy. So I actually have no issue. And I like seeing d'. Amico. Ryan's ahead of Sean Payton. All good there. But Harbaugh, I am a big Harbaugh guy like Jim Harbaugh probably should be ahead of d'. Amico. Mike Vrabel I've been a variable guy, even though obviously he was a coach of the Titans and with this whole off the field drama this year. But I don't know, I think you can make a case. Rabel should be ahead of. Of d' Amico right now, so.
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Seth Payne
Well, that's where. No. And part of it is. And that's where I'm. In fairness to the other people that you put in a ranking like this, lots of these guys got off to really good starts. So I just, it's. I don't feel like d' Ameco has enough of a track record yet to be put against guys that, like with, you know, with, with Jim Harbaugh, his first three years in the NFL, it was pretty damn impressive and they did a lot of great things. And then you just got to keep proving that you can do it more and more after that. And he's only. But the crazy thing about Harbaugh is that he's only had seven years now as a head coach in the NFL.
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Luke Morrow
Or is it six?
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Seth Payne
No, it's only six years as a head coach in the NFL that, yeah, if I were doing this ranking and trying to be as objective as possible, I don't think I could put him ahead of guys that have just simply been tested for a longer period of time.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, fair. I don't know if I'd put him ahead of those, but I would put him certainly ahead of Dan Campbell. I'll rant on that in just a moment. And the Matt LaFleur at number six. And I know everyone loves him and he's. He's had a lot of success there in Green Bay. You know, his record is 76 and 40. But I don't know, there's still something for me that I can't get my arms around. Matt LaFleur, for some reason, I honestly, I might put D' Amico ahead of LeFlore.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, no, and. And the only thing I would say with Leflore, too, is that he's. He's been tested longer, you know, and he's got that similar dynamic where, man. All right, the offense is doing some really impressive things, but you guys got to figure these things out. On defense. I think going back to Harbaugh, I just wanted to fact check myself. Yeah. Harbaugh's first three years as an NFL head coach. 13 and 3. 11 and 4. 12 and 4. They make that super bowl appearance, they're doing it with a young fourth round draft pick or third. No, Kaepernick was a second rounder that part of it, it's like, okay, cool, like, then. But it's not fair to. It's not fair to stack up Harbaugh, who did the same thing as d' Amico in his first three years in the league and actually, you know, went to a Super bowl, that somehow, because he's been tested longer, that you're. He gets bucked down a notch because he had more opportunities to either not make the playoffs or not win a playoff game.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I see what you're saying. That's fair. But, like, for me, I think longevity is also important or, like, sustained success. Like, so, like, people always say the Jimi Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all time. To me, it's like, you know, he only did it for, like, three years. Eric Clapton's been doing it for 50 years. I think that's more impressive that he's been doing it at that level for so long compared to those short bursts. So I think it's similar where Harbaugh, he's had success with the Chargers as well. And I know we. I guess we can't count Michigan, but he had success there. I think, like, to be able to be consistently good for a longer period of time, I might give more respect to the.
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Seth Payne
Okay, so it's kind of like when you have hall of Fame discussions.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, right.
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Seth Payne
What was this player at his peak, though? So, like, Jimi Hendrix, basically. Would Jimi Hendrix be the guy that, if you're an athlete, if you retired at the age of 30, he's still in the hall of Fame. Is he Pat Mahomes?
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Luke Morrow
You're right, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Seth Payne
But when you stack him up against other people that were also at a really high level and did it for a long, long time, they're gonna. They're not gonna. It's not going to be quite the same. Jim Brown would be the great example of that. Right. Like, anybody from that generation will tell you, like, nah, you kids, you got no clue. You don't understand how dominant he was. And, you know, like, I get it. I mean, but he also, you know, he didn't play all that long. It's a brutal position. Lots of other people decide not to go pursue their Hollywood career, you know, at a young age.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Longevity is. Is part of the equation, in my opinion, at least. As I mentioned with lafleur. Look, he has a good record. He's lost the last three playoffs appearances, though, and he. His team choked against Caleb Williams and the Bears this year, so I got questions about him. But Dan Campbell's the one that really stands out to me. And all these rankings put Dan Campbell ahead of d' Amico Ryan's. And I rant about this every year and every list. I just don't get it. People love Dan Campbell because he's a personality and all this sort of stuff. Kind of like Sean Payton. People love him and you're almost judging the personality more than the coaching. But D' Amigo Ryan, his win percentage is nearly 10% higher than Dan Campbell. D' Ameco has more playoff appearances in fewer years than Dan Campbell and Dan Campbell. Ben Johnson was not his offensive coordinator in his first year and he wasn't his offensive coordinator this past year. And Dan Campbell finished in fourth place both of those two seasons without Ben Johnson. Not to mention, I think the Texans were a bigger mess when d' Amico came than the Lions were when Dan Campbell arrived.
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Seth Payne
Well, that was where, you know, with Dan Campbell and how he handles that offensive coordinator situation. I mean, he made the great pivot. You credit him for pivoting and changing to Ben Johnson in the, in the middle of a season a couple years ago to really create that turnaround for them. But then, yeah, the big test when you're not a play caller in the NFL is you're not an offensive play caller. You got to find that right play caller. And he chose, he decided that was he himself last year, midway through the year. That wasn't, that wasn't the solution either. I think that he and Campbell are in a little bit in the same spot because even though Campbell was a tight end in the NFL, he's not a play caller, he's not an offensive coordinator. And that's the test for him is, okay, can you find the right coordinator and or when you need to change coordinators, find an adequate replacement. Mike. You know what, you're right. Having Mike McDonald is high on this list even though despite winning a Super bowl like he's, he's going to have that test now. Oh, yeah, he's got to replace Clint Kubiak. And let's just see exactly how far your defense, defense can carry you if Sam Darnold comes down to earth a little bit and your brand new coordinator actually isn't nearly as good as Clint Kubiak.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, for sure. That's. That's always the challenge of these defensive coaches. And for Campbell, not a defensive coach, but that CEO type of coach. Last two notes, too. You mentioned this earlier. Pro Football Focus dinged Mike Vrabel for not being a play caller. But then Dan Campbell is at number Five ahead of Rabel at nine. Campbell's not a play caller either, but he. There's some. Again, I keep using that phrase with like, there's Teflon. Everyone loves Dan Campbell, and the one thing he has over d' Amico is he did make it to a conference championship. But the most noteworthy thing about that appearance was that Dan Campbell blew it for the Lions with his terrible coaching decisions keeping them from getting to the Super Bowl. So I just don't get the love for Dan Campbell.
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Seth Payne
Part of it with Campbell is the fact that the Lions were such a mess. And I think that it feels like. But. But again, the Texans were a mess, too.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Because the Lions had been a mess for longer than the Texans had been a mess. Yeah, they finished fourth in their division for four straight years, but, I mean, it's not like they'd made the point playoffs a few times in the 2000 and tens. It wasn't like. Remember, the Bills went two decades without making a playoff appearance. And some of those. Some of those ridiculous stretches. Okay, I'm with you. I've gone from loving Dan Campbell to despising him in the course of 10 minutes.
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Luke Morrow
Good. Thank you, Job.
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Seth Payne
You've done good work today.
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Luke Morrow
That's what I do. I'm really infiltrating this week. We got a list of people that you have to go knock on their front door from your childhood to go get payback on, and now you despise Dan Campbell.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. We haven't even started on my ex girlfriends yet. Yeah. My list of people to seek vengeance against has gotten pretty long.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. On the text line, someone said Eric Clapton is Frank Gore. Clapton's better, but I get the point. Frank Gore was a compiler. And, yeah, Clapton lasting so long, a bit of a compiler himself is.
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Seth Payne
Clapton's considered one of the best guitarists of all time.
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Luke Morrow
I would say he is the best, but he's. Yeah, he's always in the conversation. It's usually him or Hendrix. And I think Carlos Santana is an underrated one that probably should be in the conversation.
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Seth Payne
Do you play the guitar?
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Luke Morrow
I do. I play the guitar, yeah.
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Seth Payne
Oh, okay. So you can. You can really appreciate the technical side of it.
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Luke Morrow
Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I'm. I'm. I'm nothing special, so I don't have a damn clue. I marvel at these guys. Um, coming up, the World cup is doing more for the NFL than their international games are. We'll talk about that next.
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Explore further@range Rover.com the World cup is doing more for the NFL than their international games are. Talk about that here on Pain and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean Alongside Seth Payne. 713-572-4610 on the text line, where many people are getting in on the whole guitarist debate and conversation.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, I figured as soon as you just so flippantly discarded Jimi Hendrix, you might have a few objections.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Well, surprisingly called Jimi Hendrix a bum.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's right.
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Luke Morrow
He's the Don Mattingly. That's why Mattingly has always been left out of the hall of Fame because, like, well, he was great for six years, but that was about it. He didn't have a long enough career.
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Seth Payne
You didn't even say that. You didn't even tell people for the young people to know that Jimi Hendrix died. You just, you acted like you retired young or something. Yeah. He failed. Yeah. Sorry. He couldn't keep playing guitar after he died. Luke Morrow catalog.
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Luke Morrow
It's like a athlete that has a career ending injury. He only played three years. I can't say that he has, you know, that he's a greater, greater athlete or had a greater career than someone who did it longer.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. But if you die of a drug overdose, I feel like that vaults you up in rock and roll status more so than how good of a guitarist could Eric Clapton actually be if he lived such a long and fruitful life?
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Luke Morrow
He had his. He had his own.
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Seth Payne
Sounds like a good jazz guitarist to me. Yeah. Smooth jazz. Not the real stuff.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And he is part. I don't think Jimmy. I don't know if he started. I think Jim Morrison might have been before him. But the whole 27 club of which
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Seth Payne
has obviously become people who are dying at 27. Yeah, yeah. Jim Morrison thing. It was Janice Shoplin was.
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Luke Morrow
The more recent one who had Amy Winehouse, I believe was 27.
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Seth Payne
27, I believe so. I think she technically died of liver disease. But she was. But it was. I mean, obviously tied to her alcohol. It was some weird different scenario. Don't overthink it. She had issues. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And then there's another. There's. There's a few others, too, I think, but. Yeah, yeah. Like the 27 Club. So. So Jimmy has that going for him, too, in his legacy.
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Seth Payne
Kurt Cobain.
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Luke Morrow
Oh, wow.
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Seth Payne
And it was. It's an accidental alcohol poisoning for Amy Winehouse and Brian Jones from the Rolling Stone.
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Luke Morrow
Yes. That was the other one. I think he drowned in a. Drowned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he was. He was on something, obviously, or really drunk, and he. I think he drowned in the pool one night at like a.
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Seth Payne
You and I will never be in that club, man.
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Luke Morrow
No. Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Partly because we've never accomplished anything musically, but also because we're past the age of 27.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Most importantly, fine with me. I'd rather not be in that club. All due respect to those. Those legends, the World cup, and by the way, I keep sending those texts and I've been interacting with everyone. Not a lot of Jimi Hendrix defense. It's for a lot of other guitarists that people are coming to the defense of. But anyways, the World Cup, I think, is doing more for the NFL than the NFL's international games are. But there's a few things that I do want to get to in this. This conversation with the World cup. And we got some audio as well. Look, when the World cup was last here, it was 1994, and MLS started like two years later, do you think, with the popularity? I think it was like 39 million or 31 million people watched the game against Belgium the other night. Do you think that this World Cup, Will this actually increase soccer popularity here in the United States?
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Seth Payne
I mean, it has. It's steadily increase. Increased for the last 30 or 40 years, and I think that's probably going to continue. I mean, the whole CTE thing didn't really help out all that much, even though kids get concussions in soccer. But it's still a lot of people moved away from football into soccer. And I think that that's. With or without the World cup, that was going to continue to increase, I think. So the. The big question people are having now, I think, is that, all right, it's been 30, 40 years of soccer becoming such a mainstream sport, the participant rate, participation rates have gone up so drastically. But then in a country of over 300 million people, somehow you haven't advanced as an actual world power one, one tiny bit in all that time and it's frustrating.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah, it is. You know, I kind of think that it's the type of deal, like I'm curious how many people. So let me say this. I do think it's going to help with participation. I do think it's going to help like with kids get into soccer more so and so maybe that's most important and that's what's going to carry the sport further in this country. But I think of like the adults from a fan perspective of soccer or the sport, the people that were tuning into the World cup and really were into it and bought the jerseys at Target and everything and maybe even had a chance to go to the games here in Houston. I think especially now, like that even us is out of it. I think a lot of people are tuning out from the World cup and I think it's one of those things that it's exciting in the moment, like any almost new thing is. But I would compare it to like when your buddy has a really drunken night and they throw up all morning or whatever and they're like, I'm never drinking again. And then a week later it's like, you know, that that's old news. I'm back to drinking now. I think it's similar, especially with training camp starting in two weeks. That, yeah, like that was a fun thing, but I don't think people are going to start watching, you know, English soccer or Italian soccer leagues now because of the World Cup.
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Seth Payne
I don't, look, I don't. I mean, there's so many things that work against it just in terms of how much bandwidth do people have for like just swapping in a new of pastime, you know, like, okay, football overtaking baseball was something that took decades. And it's still, it's still like football and baseball and basketball and then in some areas of the country, hockey are still entrenched as the four major professional sports. I feel like it's a big ask to all of a sudden just add one to the mix and make people just like almost create a brand new culture that I don't know, maybe sometime, maybe, maybe someday 30 or 40 or 50 years from now it'll be more cemented. But I just, I think it's just too, it's too large of a thing psychologically and culturally that just a little bit of positive exposure, getting excited about it here and there ends up making that big of a thing about. Back in the day when the Olympics were a huge deal, did all of a sudden the biathlon become you know, one of the mainstay sports in America because, wow, I've been watching the biathlon on the Olympics, and, boy, I can't get enough. Can't get enough of this skiing and shooting all over the place. Like, no, it doesn't. Like, it's something that you enjoy in spells. And then, you know, maybe you buy some cross country skis or something and then take a ski vacation, but it's not. I think it's just gonna be a longer process than any one single moment. We have way more people watching Premier League and stuff than we ever did back in the day. That was never a thing.
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Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
I didn't know. I didn't have a damn clue about anything that was going on in European soccer. Where now. Now, in any given day, I might bump into people that actually know what they're talking about when it comes to soccer, you know, like more than just. It used to be the annoying dude who played high school soccer and all of a sudden felt like he was the expert on soccer. Now there's actually a lot more Americans that pay attention to pro soccer in general.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I was always surprised. Even when I was in high school, I had buddies that would wake up early to watch international soccer matches, and that seem crazy to me. I already thought, like, school's early enough. I'm not waking up to watch soccer in Italy or, you know, whatever, anywhere in Europe or England. Like, I. I couldn't care less. Here's Landon Donovan talking about the wealth gap in. In. In soccer.
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Commercial Announcer
So there was a study that. This is actually in 2016. I'm sure it's gotten worse. Like, the gap's gotten bigger.
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Seth Payne
Right.
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Commercial Announcer
Of all the kids playing youth soccer, they broke down percentage wise, what the household income was of those kids. So the. The majority of the kids fel. Parents household income was like 100 to $150,000. Okay. Only 2% of kids who were playing organized soccer in America came from households that made less than $50,000. Meaning if you don't make $50,000, your kid cannot play organized soccer. And think about how many kids you're missing out on in this country because they can't afford to play the game. Now somebody has to pay for it. Someone has to pay for the coaches. I get it. But what's happening now is clubs are just grinding every penny out of every. And growing up, there is zero chance I could have played club soccer. My mom made $34,000 a year. Single mom raising three kids.
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Seth Payne
And so he had somebody as a benefactor, somebody that Helped him out with it because he was so good. But that, I mean, it's one of the things, I know a lot of people have brought up the way the clubs are organized in America compared to the way they are in Europe. In of terms just the clubs themselves are more. Aren't as incentivized to spit out awesome soccer players as they are just to collect dues from the parents and all of that. But I don't know without kids that are growing up playing it all the time like they are in other countries, and especially when you take the kids that are theoretically the hungriest and most willing to work for it and everything, that's where the cultural part of it comes in. It's a very, it's not just a middle class sport. It's an upper middle class sport. You know, like the, the 56,000 household income to about 170,000 is considered middle class. And what did he say there? The vast majority of kids were 100,000 or higher. You know, so you're, you're getting up there into the, you know, upper middle class categories. I just, I. For a worldwide sport like that, not a niche sport like lacrosse or something, because lacrosse, you're competing a bunch of other. Against a bunch of other middle class kids and everything that it just kind of, it's not as big of a factor. Soccer, you're playing against all these kids that grow up playing soccer in the streets and playing soccer every day after school. And it's just part of the culture. I don't know, I don't know how you replicate that or replace that.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of almost like hockey is another sport that's been lagging behind in this, in this country and in part because like A, it can be a little expensive, but also B, just like the commitment. Where I grew up in town, ice time was hard to come by. Our high school team would practice at like 6am before school and the parents would have to get up and drive. It just. There seemed to be more restrictions than just simply going out and shooting hoops or throwing a football around or something, you know?
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Seth Payne
Yeah, yeah, that. It's, it's hockey especially. You think about growing up in Canada. So Canada's got 20, 30, I can't remember, is it 60 million? Whatever it is, it's much smaller than the U.S. but like all those kids grow up playing hockey and dreaming of being hockey players and you know, setting goals for that earlier on in life where the US it just, it's still, it still feels artificial. And this. The pool of kids that you're pulling from isn't going to be nearly as big because they have so many. Think about the really good athletes in a high school or in a. In a middle school or anything like those kids in others. In other countries, those kids are being funneled into the soccer program, where in America, those kids. The soccer coach is fighting with a football coach, trying to get their attention, you know, trying to get the kid on their side. And it's just. There's just too many. There's too many competing alternatives to just dial in on soccer. And then to do that, you'd have to have this nationwide demand to do it. And we just don't have that nationwide demand.
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Luke Morrow
Let me pay off my tease. I think the World Cup's doing more for the NFL than their international games. I've been on record, I hate these international games from an American fan perspective for the NFL. But I also don't think it's growing the game. I think if you watch these games, a lot of it is like, Americans that make the trip and then people of that country that are going for the spectacle. But I don't know how many of those people are leaving the stadium in, like, Argentina and going out and buying NFL jerseys or getting NFL Sunday ticket, where I think here, it almost happened naturally where, because this was their product, the World cup, they organically or naturally came over here to this country and now are experiencing so many things like Buc EE's and Taco Bell and whatever else that they love. And that includes. I know it's not going on right now, but that includes American football, because these games are being played in stadiums and fans are in the cities and they get to know the sports fans and whatnot. So much so that Robert Kraft is now pushing to have a Patriots game in Scotland because Scotland just played at that stadium in Massachusetts. And so many came over and they enjoyed the area. And I guess kind of by osmosis, became interested or almost fans of the Patriots. And now Robert Kraft's like, okay, now we actually do. Now we're actually building some fans in another country. Let's bring our product to them. But I think in a way, this World cup could actually be more beneficial for the NFL than these random international games where they just drop in for one weekend. The people don't know what's going on. They're like, yeah, I'll go check it out. But once the NFL leaves that. That country, they're back to doing whatever they're doing.
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Seth Payne
I think what happens In a lot of the international games is that there's a boat. Like. Like in the European games, there's a boatload of. When you add them all up, there's a boatload of NFL fans in Europe. So you have a game in London and you've got fans from all over Europe who are fans of different NFL teams and everything, but who are already NFL fans that go to those games. Yeah. In the city of London itself, the reports are always that, like, if people are kind of like, oh, yes, what's going on? Oh, they're playing football over there. Like, it's not headline news or anything that you might be onto something there. I feel like the international games have been. If anything, the people who become NFL fans over there do it. It's not because they saw an NFL game, but you are still fostering those people and bringing them along by bringing the game over there and just, you know, showing that you care about them. I think the flag football is probably going to be. If the game really wants to grow internationally. I mean, this is where the NFL is putting all their resources. Like, flag football is the thing that kids can just go out and do, you know, like, you know, if they can find a football somewhere, they can go out and start playing American football and they can watch it on the Internet and do all those things. Things that you probably get more grassroots, buy into the NFL from flag football than you do the actual international games.
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Luke Morrow
Right? Yeah. Yeah, that'd be interesting. Yeah. I don't know how much international games are truly growing the sport. I think they're fun, they make money, all that sort of stuff. I don't know how many people come out of there and be like, oh, I'm all into the NFL now.
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Seth Payne
I don't know. I'm always. I'm always surprised by the number. I mean, again, it's the entire continent and you add them all up. There's a lot of European. European football fans. But. But they're already fans and I don't know. Yeah, like, what are they? Are you. Are you really creating roots in those places with the games? I don't know.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. I don't know so much, but I think the World cup might have just naturally kind of done that for a lot of people with some things here.
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Seth Payne
What the World cup didn't have in 1994 when they were here was social media, and it was because it was at the Meadowlands, which is not like the best place to show off America. No.
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Commercial Announcer
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Seth Payne
There weren't all these reports about, wow, these New Yorkers are so pleasant and friendly. Wow. We just didn't get, we didn't get as much of the boots on the ground, like firsthand experience from all these foreign foreigners, these, these visitors that are, that are gushing about all the fun they're having in the US that just, that wasn't the experience in 1994.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I love that idea of like, hey, we're gonna go to America, we're gonna go to New York. And then. Yeah, you're in the Meadowlands.
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Seth Payne
You're in New Jersey.
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Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
In the.
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Seth Payne
Which is an impossible stadium to get to.
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Luke Morrow
Yes.
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Seth Payne
And like the city with the most public transportation of anywhere else in America. Like somehow you can't get to the football stadium.
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Commercial Announcer
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Luke Morrow
Like, wow, New York looks a lot different in the movies. Coming up. Maybe I'm the crazy one. How good will this Texans wide receiver room be this year? Because I have concerns. We'll talk about it next.
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Luke Morrow
the crazy one, but I have a still a lot of questions about the Texans wide receiver room. Payne and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. Feel free to text into the show at any time 713-572-4610 or also get to us on the YouTube and Twitch chats. So this originally came up because I saw a couple people, one in the media here in Houston, another which is a popular Texans fan account, talking about this on social media where they were talking about the Texans wide receiver room and one said it's the sixth best in the NFL. The other said I put it anywhere between eight and 10th best in the NFL and I thought six best wide receiver room in the NFL top 10. I might put them in the bottom 10. If I'm being honest with you, I thought these were just local homers being homers. But then Seth you you pointed out
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Seth Payne
that well I found three different articles when I just randomly searched because I would have assumed they'd be somewhere in the, somewhere in the mid tiers of things. There's some genuinely abysmal wide receiver groups out there, but Jade Niggins and Jalen Noel just haven't, they haven't proven enough yet. I like where they're going and everything, but I can't rank them above other people that have accomplished more already. But this is the problem in those articles that I found that all had The Texans ranked 10th. They just slot Tank Dell in like it's a foregone conclusion that he's coming back and he's going to be the same guy he always was. I, which I would love it if that's going to be the case. But you can't in good conscience sit here and say, oh yeah, Tank Dell is the number two wide receiver. He might very well might end up being the number two wide receiver after Nico Collins. But we just, we just don't know right now and we haven't seen him play competitive football in a long time and it's a devastating knee injury. So I just based on that alone that so many, when I'm trying to be objective about this, I go and look at what other people are saying like, no, I can't put Tank Dell in that category yet. So that puts him right down back there into smack dab in the middle somewhere.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, we talked about this. I think it was yesterday how everybody is just relying on Tank Dell being back and being Tank Dell from two to three years ago and playing every game and having such a big role. That's one of the many questions for me with this wide receiver room, which is why I can't say like, oh yeah, they're six best. They might end up at the end of the year and maybe I'm the silly one for being unable to forecast that. But there's just too many questions of you're relying on a couple of second year guys and Higgins and or Noel to step up. You're relying on maybe Tank Dell coming back and playing a big role. But I say this all the time. I subscribe to the Polar Express theory that I have to see it in order to believe in it. So I can't just sit here and be like, oh yeah, great wide receiver Jaden Higgins is going to be excellent in year two and Tank Dell is going to be fine and he's going to put up his normal numbers. There's still just too many questions that need to be answered where if they're not answered in a positive way, well then behind Nico Collins, you Don't have a whole lot in that room.
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Seth Payne
There was a. No. And that's. I mean, I'm just. I'm kind of impressed that some people got so rankled by this. When I get a. Cody Stutes had him. They had the wide receivers ranked somewhere lower than people are happy with. But I would get it if the Texans actually had a good passing offense in the last couple of years or something that I would say, yeah, that's. This is an injustice. What. Can you talk. I know it's not. It's. That hasn't been the case. It wasn't a good passing offense last year. Nico Collins was the only consistently productive wide receiver and he wasn't available for yet again a few games because of injury. So I. The. I can see where they're capable of being a top 10 wide receiver room, but they just don't have the guys that have actually put up the same numbers or production. Whatever excuses or explanations you want to have for the reasons why. I mean, it doesn't have to be any more complicated than. And aside from it being a lackluster passing offense last year. Yeah. Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noel were rookies and they grew and they progressed and you should expect more out of them this year. But they haven't actually shown or proven it yet. It's just a projection.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. And even on the tax line, as someone said Nico to stay healthy all year. Like that's another question too, that Nico's a top 10 probably receiver in the league. But can. Can we get him for all 17 games? And without him, there's a lot of questions. Uh, you know, I wanted them to go sign a veteran. Christian Kirk didn't really work out last year, but I like the idea. I wanted them to replace him with another veteran to have a little more security. I would have loved Juwan Jennings here in Houston who ended up signing, I think a one year contract anyways in Minnesota. Um, that would have been a nice addition. Somebody on the text line said, what about Keenan Allen, Seth, would you have any interest in a Keenan Allen at this point?
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Seth Payne
I think it. Keenan Allen would be. I would be interested, yes. I don't want to be stuck in the position where I'm like thinking too hard about this and yet I might be thinking too hard about this. The only issue with Keenan Allen is he's kind of an unorthodox route runner. And I think what this offense really, really needs right now is timing and rhythm and all of that. And you know, going back to, you know, a Couple years ago, remember when Simmons, the safety was still on the market as a free agent, and people were wondering, like, after the Texans had already drafted Kalen Bullock, they were saying, how are you? You got to have a safety in here. You got to have a safety. And the answer ended up being, okay, well, for one, I mean, Simmons, there's a whole other story behind that. But, like, they, like Kalen Bullock and Kaylan Bullock, has developed into one of the best young safeties in the league. And I think likewise, when. If you trust your draft process and you trust what you saw from Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noel last year, that there's a lot of value in just developing the guys you already have. And if you're. If you're just trying to stock from the outside, you're going to be overspending. You're going to be taking away reps from the guys you want to develop, and you just got to be sure that those guys actually develop, and they end up being good players. So I'm not. I'm not. I'm not clamoring for any wide receiver right now. I just. I want to see the young guys play, and I want to see them. I want to see Nick Kaley and C.J. stroud show that they can. They can get those guys involved and they can turn them into productive forces instead of just having to always bolster from outside.
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Luke Morrow
True, true. I get that. Yeah. You kind of have to sink or swim with these guys. It's almost like Reed shepherd. And why that was frustrating is like, you just got to throw him out there and see if he can handle it or see if we can learn with this guy.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, yeah.
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Luke Morrow
So. Yeah.
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Seth Payne
But, you know, in these rankings, no, you know, yeah. To go. I'm glad you brought up Reed shepherd, because that was. It was okay.
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Reggie Figgins
That was.
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Seth Payne
What was so frustrating about the Rockets whole strategy leading up to the trade deadline was they're operating like. Like they're cool with Reed shepherd being the point guard of the future, and yet they're not giving him any opportunities to develop into that.
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Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
It just. That organizationally, it just seemed like such a mess. So I'm okay as long as you. So Christian Kirk's not going to be there to soak up the reps. Jalen Noel gets his opportunities. Maybe they feel way more confident and optimistic about Tank Dell than they're letting on, which would be awesome. I think they're being really good and careful about just not making any promises or setting any dates for Tank Dell. There is that chance that, no, they feel really awesome about where he is and that they expect him to be back in full bore, which would be awesome. But I just, I'm not going to let myself go there mentally and set myself up for disappointment if he struggles.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I'm with you. But maybe, yeah, maybe that's why all these national media pundits are just including Tank Dell. Like, you know, he's, he's tanked out before these injuries.
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Seth Payne
Until one of those jackasses tells me what happened to Joe Mixon, I'm not going to believe they know anything more than we do.
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Luke Morrow
That's true. That's fair.
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Seth Payne
Even out here on Reddit, trying to figure out what happened to Joe Mixon.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, still trying to figure it out on the text line. Someone said even a healthy Tank doesn't make us a good enough receiver room.
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Seth Payne
That, that's something. That's some mass. What is it when you can't remember things? You know, when you can't remember something from the past, you wait, you go into a coma. You weigh amnesia. That's where people have collective amnesia nationally, people really do. I've seen otherwise smart people say things like, well, remember they were really humming along and then Tank Dell got injured that year and then Stefon Diggs got injured. Like, no, no, they weren't humming along and then those guys got injured and that made it that much worse. But it wasn't. Tank Dell wasn't having an awesome year in his second year, but, but nobody was really doing anything offensively that you were hoping or expecting them to do. So hopefully it was just a matter of that. More so than that, you know, Tank, Tank wasn't going to make it as an NFL receiver.
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Luke Morrow
On this list, people had the Texans ahead of the Seahawks and the Patriots, who both obviously played in the Super Bowl. And you know, just for comparison sake, I brought up like their depth charts. I think, I think JSN is in the conversation. Like him and Nico Collins, I put on the same level. But even behind that, like Cooper cup, even Rasheed Shahid a little bit like, you have some veterans who have proven themselves well.
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Seth Payne
I think with Cooper cup especially, it's that you've got, you know, you've got a slot receiver who's not what he used to be, but in him complementing Jackson, Smith and Jigba, it's just more of a formidable, like he, he does exactly the role he should be doing in that offense, especially in running that scheme. We're having a big slot like that really helps that I and the proof is in the pudding. Again, like that group, you might like the upside of Jaden Higgins more, you might like the upside of Jalen Noel, but that group just flat out produced at a much higher level than the Texans passing offense.
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Luke Morrow
Last yeah, same for the Patriots. They had like the number one downfield passing attack and then they add AJ Brown this off season and even Romeo Dobbs is decent, but you throw them in with the group they already had. That's, that's where I thought like this is kind of ridiculous. We're putting the Texans receiver room ahead of these two that were just in the super bowl last year where the Texans again, it's just, it's nothing but questions. And sure, if they get good answers to every question, everything works out perfectly. Yeah, it could be a good receiving room. But if they don't get those good answers, I I said at the start of the baseball season the Astros have a bottom three outfield in baseball and I got pushback on the Texas. Yeah, I was wrong. They have a bottom one outfield in baseball and it just feels kind of similar that this Texans receiving room. I'm not going to say it's going to be the worst, but it just feels like it could be maybe bottom 10 if things don't work out perfect.
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Seth Payne
You got to, you got to remember though, when you start getting into the bottom 10 of things, like there's some like, like the Dolphins have Malik Washington, Jalen Tolbert and Tutu Atwell. Like the jets have Garrett Wilson, which is awesome. But then whatever the hell A.D. mitchell is now in Omar Mark Cooper Jr. The I like it's I. That's where like if you go to the bottom 10, there's just some, especially when you get to who the third wide receiver is in a lot of places. That's where it's there's some genuinely horrific circumstances out there. I hesitate to put the Texans down in that category.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it's fair. There are some bad wide receiver rooms. It's just, it's more about like the feeling like if I tried to do a back of the napkin type of thing, it's like ah, they of kind kind of feel like they'd be in the bottom 10 range until you actually sit down, do a list and maybe I would see how many bad receiver rooms there are elsewhere in the NFL. But I wouldn't go as far as apparently a lot of people right now saying that the Texans have a top 10 wide receiver room. I hope the NFL isn't that bad right now at the wide Receiver position,
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Seth Payne
passing game, sticking a step backwards, man. It's all about running backs and three tight ends these days.
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Luke Morrow
We're heading that way. Coming up, how untouchable is a man, Thompson? Apparently incredibly untouchable. We'll get to that. Next. It's pain and pen 2. Or how Untouchable is Amen, Thompson. It's Payne and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean Alongside Seth Payne. 713-572-4610. On the text line. Are also YouTube and Twitch chats available for you there. Before we do get to him. And we were talking about the World cup earlier this hour. Seth, did you see that? There's apparently a battle here between, I think it's NBC and Fox because when it comes to the World cup broadcast, because the ratings, the viewers on Telemundo are so high. 20%, they claim 20% of viewers on Telemundo are just English speakers preferring to watch soccer in Spanish as opposed to the American broadcasts.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, well, I know Pender, Sean was watching one of the games while he was on vacation on Telemundo just because he enjoyed it so much. I think, I think. You know what? I think that's a, a couple things. One, the, the Spanish language broadcasts are always just fun to listen to, even without speaking good Spanish, just because of the, it's a beautiful language and the emotion that they can throw into it with that language and everything. It's just, it's pleasant to the ears. And then I think, especially when you don't understand soccer all that well to begin with and you don't want to think about it, if you sit down, you're like, I don't actually really want to learn about these, these, these, these blocks and sets and whatnot. That I'm just going to listen to the, the pure raw, the, the emotion and enthusiasm and all of that on Telemundo.
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Luke Morrow
It's, it's, it is, it is great even. And somebody from a, you know, broadcasting background or whatnot. Yeah, even like when you hear home run calls or like game winning field goals or touchdowns, when you hear the Spanish call. And I, I don't really speak Spanish. Not well enough. Yeah, it always, it just always sounds better. It sounds more exciting. It sounds, yeah, it just sounds, it always does sound like a better broadcast, to be honest.
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Seth Payne
I can't. You know, last night on the, on the Astros broadcast, there's a period where I don't know if they were having technical difficulties or something, but it felt for like two or three minutes it was just dead silent. And you know, you know, that's not a World cup type environment. But I found myself, you know, people love to say, like I don't even want to hear the commentators. They just annoy me. Every now and then I get like that.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
I felt lost and naked and alone without Todd Callis and, and Jeff Blum talking me through it. And I, so I, I like, I like understanding what people are saying. I like for highlights. I love listening to the Spanish highlights. But I can't watch a game without anybody setting the table for me or reminding me what the situation is or something.
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Luke Morrow
That's true. I'm in agreement with you on that. And actually, yeah, mlb, I think it was used to. I don't know if they still do. They offer. If you have like the MLB ticket or whatever they call it.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
You could just listen to a game and turn off the broadcasters and I'm with. It sounds. It sounds boring and it sounds weird. I do need the voices there.
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Seth Payne
Hey, look, two segments ago I literally forgot the word for amnesia. I forgot the word amnesia, which would like. It should have been a bit or something. But that's how, that's how limited and addled I am at times. I need, I need some guidance and I need somebody to keep me, Keep me where my feet are. You're exactly where I am in a game.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Somebody said it has. We've. We heard Kevin Harlan do soccer. I feel like he would be amazing. Yeah, Harlan's great at everything he does. I don't think he's ever done soccer, but I think he can nail it with some time and practice. And another texter said you gotta hear the Telemundo call of Argentina's game tying goal. So. All right, there we go. We'll have some homework for the commercial break.
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Seth Payne
I'll try to find now, but are you like me? If I tried to envision an English speaker doing the broadcast that way, I think it would annoy the hell out of me.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Like if I. If somebody was yelling goal and all that or if you had touchdown and doing it that. That long, it would, it would annoy me. It only works in Spanish for me.
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Luke Morrow
I'm with you. Yeah, like I'm not. And this has been a hot take. I've gotten pushback. But I'm not a Gus Johnson fan who I think would be the most similar. I'm not a Eric Collins fan who. Who is. Has that similar style. So. Yeah, I do agree, by the way, or I Should say transitioning. We referenced this coming in, but Amen Thompson. How untouchable is he? Truly? This audio comes from Tim McMahon. Credit to Chris Gorman of on social media of finding this. But this is Tim McMahon on the hoop Collective podcast talking about how much the Rockets like and value Amend Thompson.
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Seth Payne
I'm telling you, as high as you
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Luke Morrow
think they might be on Amend Thompson, they're higher.
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Luke Morrow
would trade a man for anybody but Wemby.
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Seth Payne
Anybody but Wendy. All right, okay. That's. That's. That's what got people's attention. Especially I wonder if him adding his own Lagnop on top of that already is. They can't possibly feel that way, right? That that's the only guy they wouldn't trade Almond Thompson. I love. I know exactly why they would love Amin Thompson and why people love Amond Thompson. And in terms of the culture and the actual play on the court and all that, yes, everybody loves Amin Thompson. But for anybody but Wemby, I'm having a hard time with that one.
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Luke Morrow
I'm having a very hard time that's essentially saying he's the second best player in the league or at least the second person you would choose to, like, build a team around. And that seems crazy to me.
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Seth Payne
Well, and especially when where it rankles people is, okay, you've got a defensive minded head coach and they play good defense and that's awesome and well and good. But can we. Can we get some kind of. Can we get some kind of threatening offense here? Especially when it comes to the playoffs? That. I think that's what. That's why people were rankled by that. Is that all right? Okay, we get it. You want to lean into the defense and everything, but we just. What are we going to try to do is win all of our games 198 or something? Something. It's like, we can't operate the basketball team this way. And it puts you in an awkward situation where you love Amin Thompson, but you feel like, all right, if this is true and do you believe that? Do you believe it's true, like, or is that just him exaggerating it?
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Luke Morrow
I think there's some exaggeration, but I do think, like, they hold him in such high regard that maybe not number two, but he would be like, there's not a lot of guys. I think they really do like Amend Thompson that much.
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Seth Payne
Who is your. Who are your touchable players right now? Ooh, who's the most touchable? Like, where you'd get the Most. You'd get the most return for touching him. And you're not going to cry a million tears for. For having to say goodbye.
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Luke Morrow
Good question. That is a good question.
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Seth Payne
Shangun, who would get the biggest. Who would get the biggest haul right now of touchable players?
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, probably.
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Shangun.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I could think so. Outside of a man I shank Thompson,
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Seth Payne
you could see somebody like, especially if they feel like that's the missing piece to a championship. There's a lot of teams out there that say, oh, yeah, he would fit right in on the. Now that's a team that's not going to be trading away anybody. All that enticing, though.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, Shangun. I would have, though I'm still higher on him than I think a lot of Rockets fans or people might be. I would still have him on my untouchable list. Like, if men. If a man is going to be listed that high, I still would put Sengun there. I would rather not get rid of either of them. But in terms of, like, who would bring in the best package, probably is one of them, too. And then, I don't know, maybe a team's desperate enough that you could get something for Kevin Durant, and I honestly would have no issue at this point in his career of moving him to try to improve the team. Yeah, so that's true.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, he's. I wasn't even including him in the conversation and yet, which is dumb because that's who there's always. There are. There are always going to be attempts at creating rumors about him getting traded or speculation about him getting traded. And yeah, I've got. Last year kind of. Last year kind of wiped my slate clean in terms of what I'm willing to do and not do. I think that if. If they found the right package and something really enticing for Kevin Durant. Yeah, touchable.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, for sure. I think Tari Eason is higher on that list because in terms of, like, I would have no problem with him going somewhere else. So in terms of, like, most, quote, unquote, touchable, he would be up there,
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Seth Payne
too, and has a contract that would be easy to trade, too. You know, that's the deal they gave him. I know a lot of people kind of raise an eyebrow at it, but it's. It's very tradable, I think. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out. I see so many different conspiracy theories about Fred Van Vliet that I never know which way is up because I know one of them was that, okay, him saying that he blew his Knee out was just him trying to be sure that. That he's tanking his own trade value because he wants to play for the Rockets and he wants to stay and all that. I feel like that's a bit much, but I do you like is his recent comment about how he'd blown his knee up. Does that make you any more nervous about his return this year?
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it does. Yeah. I don't know when he'll be available or what we should expect from him. But also, I don't know, like, how movable he is. I know there's a lot of rumors. Apparently he deleted all the Rockets stuff from his social media. There's this idea like he's going to be traded. I don't know. I don't know what you would even get for him at this point with the money and coming off the knee injury and he's in his 30s and, you know, apparently the knee injury might have been worse than we were led to believe. So. But yeah, I do have concerns that he might not be available to start the season or even if he is available, he's not going to be 100% this year. His. His phrasing made me even more worried.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. Ramona Shelburne, what she had written a few days ago, it wasn't. Was relatively recently, I believe. Right? Was. Yeah. On July 5th. The interviews with team sources and those with knowledge of the team's operations reveal that the Van Vliet injury and the season ending ankle injury to Steven Adams later on impacted the team in ways that extended off the floor. Let's see whether or not. Crap. I had it. No, I don't. But basically speculating that he might be one of the ones that is on his way out.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that is touchable as the word. Yeah. Yeah, he's touchable. There is a theory that the Rockets love Amend Thompson so much, almost out of like desperation because Jalen Green didn't work. Jabari Smith hasn't quite panned out like they thought or hoped. Even you can make the case like Sengun hasn't reached the what they thought maybe he'd get to. So it's almost like a man. Thompson's that last hope for Stone of this whole rebuild in these draft picks of like, he needs to hit so that we have somebody who really turns into that star. So there is the belief that they're just kind of clinging to this hope still and amends their last chance of representing what they thought they were getting with all these young guys. But there's plenty more people than Wemby. I would be willing to give him up for on the text line. Somebody said my daughter doesn't have cable, she can not watch Fox, and the only way she can watch the games is with Telemundo. So maybe that's why the ratings have been boosted for Telemundo. Apparently it's it's a way that that some people can only watch the games. Coming up Is C.J. stroud the biggest X factor in the NFL this year? We'll talk about it next.
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Start your free trial@shopify.com is CJ shroud the biggest X factor not only for the Texans, but in the entire NFL this season? It's pain and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. 713-572-4610. To text the show, let us know what you think about Stroud. Is the X Factor biggest in the league? Also, get in on the YouTube and Twitch chats as well. Is CJ Stroud not only the biggest X factor X factor for the Texans, but does that make him the biggest in the entire league? Fox Sports put out actually they put out an article where they listed the top X factor for every team in the NFL and I just happened to stumble upon this now. But Seth, before we have some audio too from Kevin Clark, does it feel like Stroud with everything? Fox Sports actually put David Montgomery as the biggest X factor for the Texans. Does it feel like Stroud's that biggest X factor?
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Seth Payne
I don't you know what it is? I don't think you're allowed to to call a quarterback an X factor because it's almost just already baked into the things that really matter is like yeah, you got to have you got to have competent quarterback play, ideally really good quarterback play for your best chance to win a Super Bowl. I and I think that there's so many things that factor into whether he is that guy or not, this year, I kind of look at it as the X factor is. Okay, what's the thing that most help C.J. stroud, and then you can evaluate your quarterback. So for me, the X factor would just be whether the offensive line is actually substantially improved.
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Luke Morrow
Okay?
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Seth Payne
And like, so if. If Stroud. If Stroud plays his best football but they still can't run the football, it's not going to look that much different than last year if it just won't, you know. So if Stroud plays good football but they can't pass protection, it's going to be your ceiling. Might be like what the Chargers were last year with a horrible offensive line, or CJ Stroud for the last couple years with a horrible offensive line. So that's where I think that without overthinking it, CJ Will have a better year if they actually can confidently run the football, if they actually have good offensive line play throughout. And so much of that just comes down to the additions they made in the growth of the younger guys. So. So for. Maybe that's too vague for it to be an X factor, but just simply the performance of the offensive line is the biggest question mark for me because it's a bunch of new moving pieces, and it's never as simple as just throwing a bunch of new guys in there. I think David Montgomery, as long as he stays. Stays healthy and has a good offensive lineman in front of him, he'll be just fine. But we just don't know about how good that offensive line is going to be.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, certainly. Okay, so offensive line. Fox Sports says David Montgomery is the biggest X factor for the Texans. But Kevin Clark, now part of espn, says not only is CJ Stroud the biggest X factor for the Texans, but apparently for the entire NFL this year.
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Seth Payne
I don't think it's an overstatement, guys, to say that he's the biggest X factor in the league, because we just saw the Seattle Seahawks ride above average quarterback play, okay? And an elite defense to a Super bowl, okay? The Texans defense is just as good, and CJ Stroud has the capability to be a lot better than Sam Darnold. So if C.J.
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Luke Morrow
stroud regains that form, we're talking about a Super Bowl.
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Seth Payne
He was the first player in history last year to have five interceptions and five fumbles in one single postseason. He did it in two games. Yeah, that's like Babe Ruth won 54 games, you know, hitting home runs and all that, but with turnovers, okay? And the reason, usually the guys don't get more than that is they don't win a playoff game. He won playoff games because of that defense. Take a step forward. It's Super Bowl, Super Bowl. That's all you have to do. C.J. stroud, no pressure. Yeah, that's. That's the thing that I worry about with CJ Going into the regular season is that, look, going into the playoffs. Going into the playoffs, I would have told you, CJ Takes care of the football. Coming out of the Steelers game, I was continuing to say, hey, C.J. stroud takes care of the football. Don't worry about that. That was a blip in the radar. There's some issues with the center, communication, all that. I made all kinds of excuses for him or I didn't make excuses, but I said that's going to be a blip on the radar. And you don't have to worry about C.J. stroud going in and throwing four interceptions in the first half of a playoff game. You certainly don't have to worry about that. And lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. That, like, the amount of pressure on CJ Stroud has not changed one bit since those playoffs. And it's actually, it's increased way more than it ever was before because they were. People would make excuses for CJ Stroud outside of Houston going into those playoffs and that. And would credit him with doing some of the smarter game management style things well as well. And all that kind of just flew out the window. So I think in the first few games of the regular season, it'll feel like the most pressure that's ever been on CJ Stroud. And I think I just hope that he handles it really well.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, certainly that. I mean, that's, that's. That is the biggest story to watch. Yeah. I think when it comes to like, X Factor for the entire league, obviously, as Kevin Clark laid out, like, the Texans feel like they swing on. On, well, the offense, but it always comes back to the quarterback. Whereas Clark mentioned in that clip, like, if C.J. shroud plays well enough, it could be a Super bowl team. If he doesn't play well enough well, then this could be a team that if he plays like he did in the playoffs last year, obviously they won't go very far at all. But it just seems like there's a larger variance for the Texans based off of simply the quarterback and the offense's performance.
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Seth Payne
What is. Oh, my gosh. All right. Just. Just as a thought exercise, let's say, as it tends to happen in every single. Every single good Quarterback has some bad games, but man, week, Week one has to be good. Like they, I can't handle for my own mental health, I can't handle a bad offensive performance against the Bills in week one at home. A team that you've, a team that you've just really, I mean, you've made their quarterback look like the worst version of Josh Allen every time he's come to Houston. But they've got a new defensive coordinator, they're going to be super blitz heavy. The offensive line like last year got off to a really slow start in terms of picking up blitzes and all of that. That it's a big team for a team that doesn't have a good defense. On paper, the Buffalo Bills, there's some things they're going to do that can present some challenges. That, man, if they haven't, if they spend all OTAs in training camp bragging about how good their pre snap operation is and all that, like it's going to get tested in week one and that'll be, I promise you. Now if the Texans throttle the Bills defensively, I will act like they just won the super bowl. And if they, but if the Texans get throttled by the Bills defense, I am going to go into a deep, deep depression and I will lash out aggressively.
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Luke Morrow
That's an interesting thought. An interesting question of, as you said, like it's, it's, it's vital. It's very important. Shroud gets off to a good start or the offense. But we say the offense. We're especially talking about the quarterback and C.J. stroud because that's who it always comes back to. When you look at the opening slate, how, how good or bad is that for the offense to try to get off on good footing? You have the Bills like you said, then you have the Bengals, then you have the Colts, then you have the Cowboys who made a bunch of changes to their defense. Those are the first four games. Do you feel like that's set up for a smooth landing for the offense or is that a tough way to start the year?
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Seth Payne
Yeah, so much of it depends on like all of these changes that these teams have made that had bad defense. I mean the Bills defense wasn't bad, but they've taken, they're not what they used to be. But you have a new, you've got a new defensive coordinator. They're kind of still, they're still like trying to figure out exactly where the pass rush and is going to come from and what they're going to do in their secondary. But That's a relatively soft opening. The Bengals will get really interesting because the Bengals were horrendous defensive but they've got six new starters that they brought in via free agency, three of them on the defensive line and the types of guys that the Texans have struggled against, big, strong, physical, tough defensive linemen like Dexter Lawrence, that'll be, that'll be the first real physical battle and test for the, for, for that offensive line, especially on the interior offensive line. So I think we'll, we'll get a feel for whether the off season improves improvements made a difference. But then you know, the, you've got the Colts and then the Cowboys are another one that was a really bad defense but they spent aggressively in trying to fix it and drafted, drafted Caleb Downs that by week four we'll know whether they're actually an improved defense or if it's just a slightly improved but it's like, you know, more teams than not, more times than not teams that spend aggressively on defense defense will they, they'll get a bump just by having better talent on the field. But it's not always a guarantee that all of a sudden it's a formidable defense.
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Luke Morrow
I do think it's interesting that the Texans face three or all, all three of their divisional foes in the first six games of the season. Now Stroud has always put up good numbers statistically, historically against all three of those teams. In fact, some of his best quarterback ratings are against those teams. But you know, the old cliche is like division opponents always know you the best. And so to have that many early on I do think is interesting. Where you get the Colts in week three, the Titans Week five, the Jaguars Week six, you get them early and again, you know, those are the teams that know you better than, than a team that you might not have played in a few years and you could try to catch off guard.
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Seth Payne
You know, one thing, one thing that I worried about when the schedule first came out was the fact that, you know, the Texans, the, you know, in practice they're going against the Texans 43 all the time. And then they get into the regular season and the first couple teams they play run a 3, 4, which doesn't matter as much as it used to, but it does matter in some of the fronts that they'll see and there's, there's some mental work that goes into it. The good thing is that The Texans all three of their preseason games are against opponents who run a 3 4. So they'll have a lot more in game, especially the young offensive linemen, and they'll have a lot more reps at close to full speed, seeing those different looks and fronts where it won't be as much of an adjustment, hopefully, mentally, early on.
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Luke Morrow
So is Stroud the biggest X factor, not only for the Texans, but the entire NFL? Let us know. 713-572-4-610. You know, I know on in the Loop, which is obviously coming up here after us. Top of the hour. They've been following along with this top 100 list.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And we get two new names every day. We already got one of the names today, which was J.C. horn, Panthers cornerback, was just named the 76th best player in the NFL. We're going to get number 75 at the top of the hour, I believe, which is obviously when we'll be getting off the air. But part of the whole thing with this top 100 list is waiting to see where is CJ Stroud going to land? Is he going to be in the top 100? And we got another quarterback yesterday in Baker Mayfield who made it into the top eight. And that's after, I believe, Brock Purdy, I think, was the other quarterback. We've had two quarterbacks in the top 100. The problem I have with the top 100 is we have to wait till all 100 names come out so I can compare. It's hard to say, like, oh, Baker Mayfield is ranked 78th. Well, I don't know how many quarterbacks they put ahead of him. Like, I don't know where that puts him or who's even ahead of him. So I need to see the whole list before I really form the opinions.
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Seth Payne
This is where I'm 99% confident that CJ Stroud made this list list for a couple of reasons. One is that in 2025, CJ Stroud was ranked ahead of Baker Mayfield in the top 100. I can't remember. Was he in the 30s, 39th.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
So 2025, Baker Mayfield was 50th. He dropped to 77th last year. Those two guys had somewhat similar seasons. Like, CJ Won some statistical categories. Baker Mayfield won some statistical categories. You know, Baker Mayfield played the whole year. But. But the second thing that makes me confident that C.J. stroud is. Is in the top 100 is that they don't. They vote on these between Thanksgiving and the end of the season. That's where, like, most of the voters, most of the players who vote turn their ballots in, sometimes towards the end of the season. So the playoffs didn't factor into this at all. And I don't think that it's not like cj. CJ was playing largely the same way. He did. Well, like statistically and everything, similar to what he did in 2024, where he did make the top 100 or the. In 2025 going into. Yeah. So I think that, I think that he's going to be on it and people will debate it. It'll be one of the most hotly debated ones when it comes out. But this was all voted on before the playoffs.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Which would be a huge, obviously a huge help for, for Shroud. And I'm surprised by what you said. I didn't think to go and look at last year, but I thought when I saw Baker there and I was thinking, I'm not telling you that I would put Baker higher than Shroud or I think Baker is better than Shroud, but I am a big Baker Mayfield fan and when I saw he was only, whatever, 78th, whatever he came in as yesterday, I thought, oh, man, I don't know, maybe Stroud really did get punished as much as Baker.
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Seth Payne
I think he'll end up. Because, you know, when people were voting on it in the 2024, during the 2024 season, which would become the 2025 list, that was on. That was still on the heels of CJ's rookie season where there was so much buzz about him. So I think that CJ will still make the list, but he's probably going to be closer to make Baker Mayfield this time around than he was last time around. But like, as far as, you know, CJ was on a better team. Baker Mayfield played 17 games and CJ only played 13 and a quarter. 13 and a half. But they had, you know, CJ ended up with 3,041 yards passing. Baker had 33,700. But like CJ projected out to 3,600 or so. Like, touch that CJ. Like, a lot of the numbers were relatively simple, similar. I think Baker had a better year, but CJ's got better PR in general. He's not a better football team.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah. And I know people have. Texans fans have texted the show and the station and whatnot, but they, they will reference Baker. A lot of that guy that has that quote, unquote, like dog in him that will find a way to lead you to victory where.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Feel like Stroud can be lacking that at.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, no, it is a whole different. Whole different. Just feel about both those guys and how they operate.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, for sure.
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Seth Payne
Biggest thing. I mean, Baker had a boatload of he was. Well he had, it's hard to look at the cumulatives. Go ahead. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
And Baker also he dealt with injuries last year. He started off at an MVP level and then cratered second half of the year as he was trying to play through like a shoulder issue. So that, that certainly hurt the numbers. Pro Football Focus also ranked their top 32 quarterback C.J. shroud for those interested wound up 17th on their list. So bottom half of that's where, that's where I expected.
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Seth Payne
I think their, their QB grade tends to run a little bit different than like the other QBRs and you know, pass rating and all that. And it seems like that's where he was for most of last season and at the end was like right around 17th or 18th in their grades.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. They said here if they include the playoffs which obviously we know is a disaster for Stroud, he would have a 62 passing grade for PFF which would actually be. He put him 34th among 43 quarterbacks last year. So not great when you factor in the playoffs.
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Seth Payne
I don't, yeah, I don't know like how would, I don't know how would Geno Smith have done in the playoffs and I don't last year if he had made the playoffs. That's not, that's really not, that's not fair at all actually I'm not trying to stick up for him overly. I don't the to even throw that in there. Like hey when he played against a couple of really good teams at the end of the year year who were playing for it all he wasn't. It would have knocked him down below guys that didn't even make the playoffs. I reject, I reject that paragraph.
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Luke Morrow
Hey, always take PFF's grades with a grain of salt. And lastly I disagree with you texter who said Lamar Jackson doesn't perform well in the playoffs, doesn't get punished. Lamar certainly gets punished for his lack of playoff success or victories. But he also never had the back to back games like Stroud had this past postseason.
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Seth Payne
Well he also like Lamar Jackson has, has also been screwed over by Zay Flowers and his tight end Mark Andrews. Yeah, yeah, the Mark Andrews drop and everything. It's not like Lamar Jackson doesn't play well in the playoffs. He just doesn't have the record that which and again before Anybody brings up CJ's playoff wins and how incredible it is, he has as many playoffs as Mark Sanchez playoff victories as Mark Sanchez did. So it's not good context and I give CJ more credit for his playoff victory, then I give Mark Sanchez for his. But if we're just, if we're just going to add up playoff wins, we can find any number of either awesome or horrible quarterbacks where it just proves it doesn't matter.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it's true. Awesome.
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Seth Payne
I mean, as far as like actually evaluating a guy's entire career.
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Reggie Figgins
Right?
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, true. Also, I believe there's been a defensive touchdown in all of Stroud's playoff wins and no defensive touchdowns in all of his losses. So you can draw, you know, some parallels there, too. Coming up, the NFL actually released their 2026 Texans preview last night and they seem to be pretty high on our Texans. We'll talk about that next Pain and Pendergast. The NFL put out their 2026 Texans preview. What do they expect or think from the Texans this year? We'll talk about it here on Pain and Pender Gas. I'm Luke Morrow in for Sean Alongside Seth Payne. 713-572-4610 is the text line can also reach us in the YouTube and Twitch chats as well. First off, I think it's weird that the NFL it's these are on the NFL's official YouTube accounts. I think it's weird that the NFL even puts out these videos where they're predicting every game, win, loss and what they think the records are going to be for each team in the league that feels like, I don't know, too close to home or something. Like, you're the league, you're the NFL. Should you be predicting what each team, what, how each game is going to go?
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Seth Payne
Yeah. It's all. Yeah, it's weird. I know exactly what you're talking about. I can't put my finger on why I would have an objection to it other than it does. It just feels a little bit like the they're not supposed to be doing that. They're supposed to be the ones that are in charge of, you know, just keeping everything running appropriately. Appropriately and everything. And as well remember Adam Schefter told us the NFL, despite their relationships with their gambling sponsors, want nothing to do with gambling. Yes.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
Which is we know that Adam Schefter, they want nothing to do with gambling at all except for all of the money that they can make by bringing it in. Yes.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. That's my other issue with this video, which again you can find on YouTube, is they open it up by talking about what they're over under is in Vegas. And then at the end of the video when they go through every game on the schedule, win, loss, they have the other teams over, under next to all their teams and they reference again Texans over unders nine and a half. Like there's gambling stuff filled in the entire video.
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Seth Payne
You know what it feels like? It feels like the sports book telling you which bets to make. Yeah, that's. They're like, oh, this is where I should put my money. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. Casino Owner. I didn't realize you were going to be so helpful.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Which again, going back to like Schefter is the whole conflict of interest where they're partnered or involved with gambling companies, sports books and then they're putting out certain news. It's. It's just, it's. It's. It's a whole thing now.
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Seth Payne
The. But they're so. So since they're bullish on the Texans in this preview, then I think the NFL and the powers that be are trying to sabotage the Texans somehow this year. They're. They're going to make a bunch of money on people taking the over on the Texans.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's right.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
Somebody said. Are you suggesting the NFL is scripted? No, I'm not going to go that far with those conspiracy.
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Seth Payne
Well, no, no. That is though where I do think they need to be more careful sometimes. And if like I, I think the NFL at first thought a lot of the NFL scripted NFL fixes games or whatever. Like they figured. Okay. Yeah, it's just normal conspiracy theory stuff. I think things have reached a tipping point in terms of a. The scandals and then be just perception and conspiracy theories just being so omnipresent everywhere online that you got to be a little bit more careful about it even though you think it might be ridiculous like ah, no, take it whenever you can take an extra step further away from the situation to try to not any. Add any fuel to the fire.
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Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
Here they are.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, if your significant other thinks you have something going on with another person, you probably shouldn't be hanging out with them. Even if you're innocent. You know, you gotta distance yourself as much as possible.
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Seth Payne
She'll get over it. Debbie and I have a special kind of relationship. That's what you're referring to. Okay, just stay out of my personal life, Luke Morrow.
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Luke Morrow
You got it. The video is 12 and a half minutes long. You go find it on YouTube. But for the purposes of this conversation, the most important stuff is really in the final minute. If you skip ahead to about 1140. 1140. 5 of the video. That's where it breaks down what they truly think is going to transpire this year. They have the Texans, the NFL. This is the NFL. They have the Texans at 13 and 4 this year starting the season. Let me count these seven and oh, and then also being, let me try to do this math. 12 and 2, right? That beat. Yeah, 12 and 2. Before losing back to back games of the Eagles and the packers there towards the end of the season and finishing
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Seth Payne
until that last part there, I was like, no, your math's way off.
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Luke Morrow
Throwing a lot of numbers, trying to figure out the math as we go.
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Seth Payne
Okay, so this is the thing about predicting a 13 and 4 record. It's not as bold as it sounds initially when you figure if all they did was go through and go by the Vegas win totals, they want nothing to do with gambling. But if they did the Vegas line on each of these games, not the win total totals, they're favored in 13 of their games. You know, and then the how the beginning of the season might go compared to the end of the game. So the only game in the first part of the season that they're underdogs is against the Bills in week one. And I feel really good about the Texans winning that game. But then it's, it's, it's Eagles, Ravens and Packers are the teams that they're underdogs too. That's where especially with some of the games on the road in cold weather like the. It's a brutal second half of the season in terms of some of the real genuine tests you'll. Based on what we know of these teams right now, there's going to be some brutal kind of gauntlet. Figure out who you are as a football team late in the year.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, they only have them losing Chargers right after the buy, then losing to the Ravens. And then like I said those two games in the final three weeks, Eagles and Packers, those are the only four losses. And Seth, if you are correct that there are mostly going off of the favorites or the betting lines and that's how all, you know, that's what all the degenerates, the degenerate gambles, gamblers do of like oh yeah, the Bills are favorite. Of course they're going to win the game. Let me bet the Bills.
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Seth Payne
I went through when I went through and did my, you know, trying to be as objective as possible. I came up with 12 wins. But that's also known. Like there are a few games in there where the Texans are favored. But if it comes to you Know, are you going to split games with Jacksonville, most likely, etc. Etc. The big league, the big, the big benefit about playing in London is that the Jags just flat out lose that home game. Yeah, it's a, it operates much more like a neutral site field when you're over there, even though it's technically their home game. But they lose genuine home field advantage versus the Texans. So for anything you might want to complain about with this schedule, I like the way it all laid out. I know we're not doing a schedule release reaction right now, but I was out, I was out that day, so.
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Luke Morrow
Okay, yeah, hey, bring the takes back. I mean we sort of are, we are talking about the, you know, the, at least the NFL predicted game by
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Seth Payne
game 13 wins though. But then, you know, some people ask, okay, well how are they, how come if they're favoring all these games, like why are they only, why is it a nine and a half win total right now? It's, it's really, it's really hard to win 13 games in the NFL. Like it's just everything is. Bill O' Brien love to say it's a, it's an 8 and 8 league and the, even the really good teams, sometimes just by luck of the draw, you can play really well and get. Win 13 games one year and then win nine games the next.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Hey, I love a home underdog, especially in divisional games. So you know, the favorites don't always win. Of course, as we know. It's why, it's what it's part of what makes the NFL so great is that parody. They have the floor set at 7 and 10. Like worst case scenario for the Texans this year they still win seven games. Games. It does feel like with the Miko Ryan's and with this defense that this is a team or right now of franchises they're currently constructed that don't seem like they could ever bottom out. They're never going to be, you know, they're never going to be bad. They might not be as good as we think, but they're never going to be a bad team. So the NFL in their preview, they put the floor at seven wins as worst case scenario.
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Seth Payne
The thing I would worry about if we're going to be just a genuinely horrific season and the Texans were huge disappointment. I don't worry about the defense at all. I worry about the offense not just taking a step forward, but if they actually took a step backwards. They're facing a lot of teams that right now they might be favored over, but that if those teams did improve their defense, like the Bengals, the Bengals improved their defense and the Texans offense is still struggling. You know, that easily takes a game that you're favored to win right now and change changes completely if the offense can't get out of their own way. So there's teams like I'm still not going to like, while the Browns would be another one that I would be a little bit nervous about. Just in that if their defense is playing as well as they have in recent years and the offense is even worse than it was last year, is struggling more than it was last year, a lot of those gimme wins all of a sudden become, you know, hotly contested contests. If even if it's a bad team but has a good defense.
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Luke Morrow
By the way, I was just looking at the other teams in the conference. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Oh my goodness, those are the they're really high on the AFC south overall. This one is crazy. One, two. I have to make sure I'm doing The math correct. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 losses. Okay, so if in case you're curious, well, what did the NFL put for the rest of the division for their predictions? They have the Colts at 10 and 7, they have the Titans at 10 and 7 and they have the Jaguars at 13 and 4, just like the Texans.
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Seth Payne
Okay. When you go through and right now there's a lot of these articles right now this time of year about okay, which team's most likely to go from worst to first, etc. I do think that the Titans are one of the teams, one of the bad teams that I'd be least surprised if they, if they made a sudden turnaround. I'm not predicting that they will because I still, I think they've got a lot of issues to figure out on offense, but I think their defense is probably going to be a lot better immediately. And if, if Cam Ward ends up just surging in his second season and looking like a guy who might really become somebody, then I think they can be a, they can be a viable team a lot faster than it might feel.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I think I've made the case the Titans could be the Patriot. I'm not going to pick them to win the afc, but they just check all the boxes of last year's Patriots. So I do think the be improved. I think the Colts will take a step back and I think the Jags will take a step back. So also, by the way, somebody has to lose some games. If the NFL truly is predicting that every team in this division is going to win at least 10 games then I don't know how seriously I could take any of these prediction videos that they released last night because some teams have to lose at some point.
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Seth Payne
That's true. Yeah. Because with the Titans they didn't go by that the winter whether they're favored or not in each of these games. Games.
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Luke Morrow
True. Yeah. So anyways, hey, coming up we'll catch up with the fellows of in the Loop. And by the way, that video is on YouTube. You can go check it out for yourself. It's a 13 minute breakdown on the Texans for 2026. It has the breakdown of each game, what they expect them to win and lose. You go find it for yourself. But very bullish on the AFC south. Coming up, we'll catch up with the Fellows in the Loop, find out what the question of the day is. But we do have the audio of the Telemundo play by play call of the Messi goal from yesterday. So we'll get to that. Plus other audio of an incredible talent that a kid has related to the sports world. And we have to get to that next as well.
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Luke Morrow
Wrapping up a Wednesday here. Payne and Pendergast. I'm Luke Morrow, in for Sean alongside Seth Payne. We'll catch up with the fellows from in the Loop here here in just a few moments. But before we do so, we got some audio we got to get to, plus some Astros talk if we have the time to sneak that all in. Uh, we referenced earlier about people watching the World cup preferring to watch the World cup on Telemundo than the standard American broadcast. And somebody on the text line said you gotta hear the goal call on Telemundo from yesterday's match where Argentina pulled off this goal. Great comeback against Egypt. Tom Brady said it was better than the 28 to 3 comeback. So anyways, our great producer Ben went and found the audio. So here it is. Here's how it sounded the goal on the Telemundo broadcast yesterday. Let's see if we think this sounds better than what would be a normal American Call.
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Reggie Figgins
Go,
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Seth Payne
Go. That's awesome.
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Luke Morrow
That's pretty great.
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Seth Payne
I didn't know if he was going to be able to sustain or do anything after, like, the third or fourth goal because it sounded like his voice was leaving.
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Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
You know, the. The part about that. That's always amazing with a soccer goal. Calls with a. You know, when it's a home broadcaster or whatever, I never doubt that the emotion is real. You know, there might be. If I were, you know, like, somebody in the throes of passion sometimes. You might wonder whether they're faking it or not. I never had those guys always feel like they are 100% genuine in that, like. Like how raw their emotion is there. And I just don't know if you. I don't know if you can pull that off in an American broadcast, like an American English broadcast. I know what. And why not, like, Veranda? Vandermeer will get really damn emotional in a good way, but it's always going to be tempered and pulled back a little bit compared to what you hear in soccer.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. I do think.
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Seth Payne
I don't want Vandermeer trying to do that. No.
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Luke Morrow
Right. I think it wouldn't sound good. And yet that call was. That call was great. And it almost sounded like. It almost sounded like Ben just, you know, took the same piece, kept copy and pasting him saying, goal, until eventually his voice was going out and he was still going for it. It's a great call.
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Seth Payne
I was. I was thinking about. I was thinking about trying to pick a country to learn the language and just. And become, like, the NFL expert in that. One of the NFL experts, like, the pundits in that. But I'd have to speak it really, really well. Like, I wouldn't want to just go on and have a translator or something, but be the, you know, the former NFL player that's talking about the NFL in Brazil. Brazil, who's got incredible Portuguese. Like, who would have thought that this guy could speak Portuguese the way he is? Right. But every time I get on an app or something, like, every year, I'll see, like, all right, let's see if. Let's see if technology has made Babel make me feel smarter or something. And I always get. I always get hung up somewhere and I quit. I make a real hard and honest effort at it for, like, three days, and then I quit.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. You know, I took. I took five years of Spanish, and I still can't. Can't speak it. I wish I Wish I knew a second language.
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Seth Payne
But I bet if you actually committed yourself to it because you had exposure to it when you were younger. Younger, that you could probably pick it up pretty well. I just don't think. I was never. I never spent that. I took however much French I had to take and that was it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
I don't know if I like. I think I might be past the age where I could actually get really good at speaking a foreign language.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, I hear you. They always say that.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. That it's easy to learn it when you're in your. By the time you're in your early 20s. It's never going to be natural. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
It's just.
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Seth Payne
They say that, but people go to these immersive language schools and everything and. And seem to get pretty good at it.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, it's true. I do think, obviously it can be done. It could be harder. I've always been interested by the people that are like a Spanish major in college or like, make it their whole educational. Like, I don't. What do you do with that then? Are they learning more than just the language or do they spend all four
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Seth Payne
years Spanish major in college then? Yeah. If you're gonna do anything with your degree, you're either gonna be a Spanish teacher or a translator. Right. Or no. You know what? I guess think about Jeff Luno. Like, Jeff Luno and his ability to scout the Latin American prospects and find those, you know, those edges that they did have. I mean, like, him growing up in Mexico City had to have something to do with that. Why? He just read the Latin American market differently than a lot of American baseball scouts would. So that just by virtue of being somebody who's genuinely bilingual, if you go into business or anything else, you've got to. You got a big leg up if you've got to come. If you're going to work for a company that does a lot of business in. In South America or something, and you speak fluent Spanish, That's a. That's a. That's a big item on your resume.
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Luke Morrow
It's true. That's why I felt like such an idiot when I did work in baseball. And I was like, man, I took five years of Spanish, but I know certain words and phrases, but I'm not fluent. And then you have these guys that, you know, only speak Spanish, and we're going back and forth on my phone using typing in on Google Translate and by clicking the audio and it makes the conversation 10 times slower. And I was like, man, I should have just paid more attention in High school.
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Seth Payne
What were you doing? So were you always on the broadcasting side of the baseball teams? Okay, yeah. So it wasn't like you were. You weren't responsible for, you know, getting them to their host families or anything?
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Luke Morrow
Well, you'd be surprised. You know, it's like all hands on deck. Yeah. So I would pick guys up from the airport and I would drive guys to the hotel or whatever it was. So, yeah, I was the liaison as, like, that broadcaster. You're the liaison between the front office and the team. Team. So any, like, issues that they did have that extended outside of the clubhouse usually did fall on me. So, yeah, I dealt with them quite a bit.
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Seth Payne
But that's tough, too, because every Latin American country has a different accent and different, you know, like, different words, situations and everything. Yeah. So to, like, all of a sudden drop in and you could be. You could speak, like, European Spanish perfectly, but if you have to go and all of a sudden talk to 10 people from 10 different Latin American countries. Countries, it's probably. It's going to be way more difficult.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
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Seth Payne
And that's what they teach you in school, at least where we grew up is like, oh, this is clearly in case you ever decide to travel to Madrid. I wanted they. Do they, like, I would like, in this down here, do they teach more of a. Like a North American version of Spanish? I don't want to learn that. I don't want to learn the Queen's Spanish. I want to learn, like, the stuff I can actually use with people that I'm interacting with.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, that's a good question. Because, like, you know, I come from an Italian family in the Northeast, and that's like, its own dialect is like the New Yorker, New Jersey Italian, which it's not real Italian, but that's just how you grow up, like, speaking. And so, you know, that's like its own thing. And I imagine if you were to take Italian classes or just know Italian people elsewhere in the country, they might be speaking more natural Italian than, you know, what we've done with the language. I love the text coming in, though, about that call on Telemundo. Somebody said, I feel like I need a cigarette after that.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But then how do you know they're not fit? Faking it? You know, he might be doing that for every soccer game out there.
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Luke Morrow
It's true.
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Seth Payne
The peewee soccer game. Fakers.
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Luke Morrow
We do have to get to this piece of audio. We haven't Gotten to it all morning. Oh, yeah. One of the nerdiest things about me talking about broadcasting is I went to this very camp. I went to a broad sports broadcasting camp growing up. I know the folks over there. Actually, the video came from one of my friends, Adam Giardini.
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Seth Payne
Know play by play camps.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah, play by play camps. I've tried to help out. They've never taken me up on the offer since, but I've tried to help. Like, hey, because they do a camp, they actually come to Dallas. That's the closest they get to Houston. I'll be like, hey, I'll. I'll come help work with you guys for the week and do it, you know? Anyways. They've never taken me up on the offer.
- [184:22]
Seth Payne
That's the worst kind of rejection. I hate that.
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Luke Morrow
I'm trying to help.
- [184:25]
Seth Payne
Hey, I just want to help out. Like, no, we don't need you at the food kitchen, sir.
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Reggie Figgins
Exactly.
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Seth Payne
What's wrong with me? I can ladle. Yeah.
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Luke Morrow
So there's a sports play by play broadcasting camp, although they focus on a lot more than play by play. But a sports broadcasting camp for kids. It's for kids, like, up to 16 or 18 years old, whatever it is. And this video's gone viral. Where there's one camper this year at the camp. They're currently in New Jersey, I believe. So a camper from New Jersey, who they found out at this camp, has this remarkable skill that you can pick any NFL team in any season from 2009, and he can recite their schedule and outcomes. That's true.
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Seth Payne
The schedule and the outcome of the games.
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Luke Morrow
Right. So here.
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Seth Payne
Here he is. It's the 2013 Oakland Raiders. And where we pick up. It was week two versus a team that we remember. We two. They lost to the Texans,
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Luke Morrow
week three.
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Seth Payne
Okay, hold up. Give me a second. No, I'm not forgetting.
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Luke Morrow
I just need to remind myself.
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Seth Payne
Oh, they lost the path
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before they
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Seth Payne
lost to the Dolphins team
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Luke Morrow
Oh, we think they lost in the Charger 7. Oh, we definitely lost the Cardinals.
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Seth Payne
Yeah. And he can do that for any team from 2009. Yeah. Last year.
- [185:59]
Luke Morrow
And for those that think, like, it might be a setup or something, you could go watch the videos. They have one camper randomly pick a year. They have another camper randomly pick a team.
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Seth Payne
Yeah.
- [186:07]
Luke Morrow
And then he just goes through it, and they're fact checking on the computer to make sure he's right.
- [186:11]
Seth Payne
They've got the big projection up behind him on the screen. Yeah. Like, they got the Pro football record reference, game log up there. It's. It's pretty cool. So the kids can all. Yeah, no, I don't think Pablo Torre is going to be taking this down. I don't think, like there's going to be a big, long investigative journalism piece where probably Tory. Pablo. Tory digs in and figures out whether Kyle is lying or not. I. You can tell by listening to him that that's the kid. That's the kid that knows all the stats. Like, yeah, you had that kid in your high school. That was, that's exactly what he sounded
- [186:42]
Luke Morrow
like, you know, for sure.
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Seth Payne
Yeah, like that's, that's his deal. He's probably not going to be doing play by play or anything, but he's the guy that sits next to the play by play guy that can bring up anything and everything about this game and all its stats.
- [186:56]
Luke Morrow
That's true. Yeah. He's going to be the, the stat guy for like Joe Buck, giving him all the interesting tidbits on the fly.
- [187:02]
Seth Payne
I'm just happy that those kids still exist because I didn't. You and I were talking the other day about how we feel like chat GPT is making us or AI is making us dumb. Yeah. Because there's just so many things. The way Google made us dumber before that because instead of just sitting around and really trying to remember something, you just look it up. So like the kids that used to just memorize all the box scores and everything and knew all the stats of, of their baseball team off the top of their head on any given day, I didn't know. I didn't know if those guys were still out there. And at least this kid Kyle, he's out there.
- [187:32]
Luke Morrow
Yeah. I'm glad. I can't match, I can't match that kid. I'm not even close. But there was a period that the NFL team I grew up following, I could give you their schedule and results for, you know, just about every season over or throughout my lifetime.
- [187:48]
Seth Payne
Really?
- [187:48]
Luke Morrow
Yeah. And I always kind of remember, like where I was when I was watching the game too. They just stick in my memory. So my brothers.
- [187:54]
Seth Payne
Did you have to use any kind of a technique for that or did you just remember it? No, just remember how that season.
- [187:59]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, just remembering. So my brothers would always tease me and they would bring it up and try to quiz me and I was always really good at that with the team that I followed, but I could never do other teams. Like, he's got every team in the league. League for the last 20 or not 20 last 17 years. It really is remarkable.
- [188:16]
Seth Payne
He's probably like one of the few remaining guys that has a physical copy of the Baseball Almanac.
- [188:21]
Luke Morrow
Oh, I love the Baseball Almanac. I used to just sit on the floor and read that all day.
- [188:25]
Seth Payne
Sit there and read it. Yeah, well that's the other thing is that you used to sit on the floor and read the Baseball Almanac because there were limited options.
- [188:32]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
You know, like in where now you can go watch if you're a sports minded individual, you can go watch highlights on YouTube for the same amount of time spent hard at work doing the important things. Remembering meaningless stats from meaningless games from decades ago. Yeah.
- [188:47]
Luke Morrow
Now you can just ask chat GPT. But back then I actually had to read it in the book all the different stats. What Larry walker hit in 1993.
- [188:54]
Seth Payne
Didn't ESPN used to give its prospective employees a really tough sports trivia test?
- [188:59]
Luke Morrow
Right.
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Seth Payne
Did they like what. And it was like, it was a lot. You had to be almost like you had to be one the of of those classic sports nerds to. Unless you're on the, you know, like broadcast side of things. Right. Like an on air person or even for them. Did they give everybody.
- [189:12]
Luke Morrow
I think they did for the, everybody. I don't know if they still do because the on air folks now like it's, it's so different.
- [189:18]
Seth Payne
Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah.
- [189:19]
Luke Morrow
Requirements.
- [189:19]
Seth Payne
Yeah, they got a lot of. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, they're definitely not Kyle.
- [189:23]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, no, they're not Kyle. They're not Howie Schwab or whatever his first name was. None of those guys. Crosstalk sponsored by DNM Auto Leasing as we welcome in the fellows from in the Loop. John Lopez out again today. So Brandon Scott's back with us alongside Reggie, I assume Figgy figures here.
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Luke Morrow
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Reggie Figgins
So that kid's got to have an eidetic memory, right?
- [189:42]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, I would imagine so.
- [189:43]
Reggie Figgins
What an eidetic, which I guess is the technical term of what we would call a photographic memory.
- [189:50]
Seth Payne
Well, you know, I looked into this Reginald, and a lot of these memory experts, what they have is a memory palace where they, they kind of attach certain things and listen to they might have an imagination of their home and they have places they put everything. So as they're remembering stuff, it's like they're walking through their house and everything's placed on a shelf or in a spot and the sequence in order they need to remember it. They've got all these different types of techniques like that that it's these are like these memory people who are obviously super smart will tell you you don't have to be smart that, that smart to do it. But it's false model honesty.
- [190:26]
Reggie Figgins
Yeah, that's the thing because I, I like to believe that there is some level of mutation or superpower that's happening. Otherwise I, I get into my, my immigrant upbringing where it's like that person doesn't have two heads. Why can't you do that? And I do it to myself instead of my mother in this instance. And I'm like, well if, if that kid is just normal like the rest of us, then why the hell can do I have so much problems remembering things, you know?
- [190:48]
Seth Payne
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well if you need to feel better about it, just go to the, the reply in that original post where there's a, there's no shortage of people, you know, pointing out all the reasons why they're still better than that kid, you know.
- [191:01]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
- [191:02]
Seth Payne
It's very important that they point out why they're still better than that 12 year old. Just because I can't do that doesn't mean that. Yeah, it's very uplifting. Memory was just not ever going to be my gift as a kid, as an adult. Like I, So I just, there's no point in me ever comparison comparing myself to that. It's just not going to happen. I will say though, my son, my 11 year old son Kyle, I could just imagine being mortified right now when
- [191:26]
Luke Morrow
he heard Luke Morrow say he used
- [191:27]
Seth Payne
to read the baseball almanac back in the day. So because these kids do have a lot of options, they don't have to be sitting around reading no almanac or reading anything if you're just being honest about it.
- [191:37]
Luke Morrow
And so he's got chat GPT, he's
- [191:40]
Seth Payne
got the PS3, he's got the phone and the tablet and all of these things to distract him. The idea of reading a baseball almanac, we've lost recipes. The kids don't know struggle. They don't know what it's really like to not have a whole lot to do and to be limited in options. It builds character.
- [191:56]
Reggie Figgins
Like the reason why I like NASCAR is because I remember being in my grandmother's house when she ain't had no cable and there wasn't nothing to do at grandma's house. So I sat in front of that TV on a Saturday, or it might have been a Sunday, wasn't nothing going. But this nascar. I'm gonna watch these cars go left.
- [192:09]
Seth Payne
Yeah, you got four channels. So it's either like, like some kind of divorce Court, Jerry Springer, NASCAR soap opera. You don't have a whole lot to choose from here. Yeah. You know what this whole conversation, though, is doing for me? I'm thinking, like, okay, for all of the. For all the people that are worried about how smartphones are going to ruin kids and everything. Yeah. Because not like back in the day when we are edifying ourselves with NASCAR and reading the Guinness Book of World Records and everything, like, all those really important things these kids are missing out on knowing who had the longest fingernails in the world. Yeah, I resent that.
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Luke Morrow
I think they definitely are.
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Reggie Figgins
You do a good job. I really do appreciate, whenever you're on these airwaves, trying to demystify the. Oh, man, these kids don't got it like us. You know, we are losing recipes because literally every generation does this in one shape or form. Like, I can think back to, you know, written histories of folks being like, oh, man, these kids aren't reading anymore. Or they're reading their books too much instead of doing these other things right. Like, there's always been some level of the kids, something's not wrong with them or something not right with them. Rap.
- [193:14]
Seth Payne
The difference is that now we're more right than they were. If you go back far enough, there are a lot of people that were really upset about the printing press.
- [193:20]
Reggie Figgins
Yes.
- [193:20]
Seth Payne
And it wasn't just the Roman Catholic Church. It was like there were a lot of people that were worried that because people now had books, they wouldn't have to actually remember things. And there's. I mean, there is some truth to that, but by and large, I would have have to argue that books have been a good thing for society. I'll go out on that limb.
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Reggie Figgins
And thusly. So is the PS3 as you said?
- [193:39]
Seth Payne
Yes. Yeah. Books until they became extinct.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. Yeah. I put the Baseball Almanac right there with the PS3. No doubt you're listening to K I L T A M K I L T F M H, Duke Houston and Odyssey Sports Station. Question of the day.
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Reggie Figgins
I don't know if you guys saw this, but one Justin James Watt is going to be a shark on Shark Tank Tank coming up this fall. And so that got us thinking. What's your. What would be your pitch to shark J.J. watt?
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Seth Payne
Well, wait real quick. Is he a shark? So does that mean he's one of the people that are deciding to invest or is he pitching a product?
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Reggie Figgins
No, he is Shark. He is going to be the person that is sitting here listening to your pitches and deciding whether to invest which I thought about. And I was like, is he. This got to be the TV portion of this? Is he investing his own money in these things? Oh, no way.
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Seth Payne
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Reggie Figgins
Okay, Right, right.
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Seth Payne
Entertainment, which is.
- [194:28]
Reggie Figgins
Which kind of might not be the right situation for him because he just seems too nice. Like, I feel like he's gonna get got by somebody that's like. Seems like a nice story. I don't know if I should invest in this, but I want to be positive and uplifting.
- [194:38]
Seth Payne
He's been rich enough rich long enough to have been. Somebody have pedaled some kind of ridiculous cockamamie business plan to him.
- [194:45]
Reggie Figgins
Because I feel like we do this a lot with. We do this a lot with. With athletes where we go, oh, you gonna have cousins coming out with business plans. Does that happen with all of are people in the locker rooms? I guess so to say.
- [194:56]
Seth Payne
Yeah. I mean, Seth, this has happened to you, I'm sure. Like somebody has thrown a ridiculous business plan probably multiple times. Yeah. Usually it ends with send me your business plan. And. And they're like, huh, I thought you were just gonna give me some money.
- [195:12]
Reggie Figgins
Have you ever gotten somebody who did send you the business plan?
- [195:15]
Seth Payne
Yeah, yeah, I've had that. The people that send me business plans, I declined to. I declined to invest with them, but they ended up doing just fine.
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Reggie Figgins
Okay, good.
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Seth Payne
The greatest gift they got was the gift of self reliance. That's what I told them.
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Reggie Figgins
That is. That is somebody who has had to tell people know a good amount.
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Reggie Figgins
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Luke Morrow
Builds character.
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Reggie Figgins
That was a really good sell on that. No. Seth, I gotta admit, it made me feel good about you saying no.
- [195:36]
Seth Payne
My. The one that I would totally pitch to JJ is my TSA style pre screening app for hitchhikers where hitchhikers and people who pick up hitchhikers can just scan the other person's face and see that, okay, they've. They've cleared security. I can safely assume that this guy's not a serial killer and that it'll. It'll be good for America. That's the pitches. You gotta make some way to make it look better for society. But yeah, like, young people will be able to travel and learn more about America and people can have conversations the way they used to with strangers who might share diverse urgent religious or political beliefs or whatever. But it's good for America if you have this. If people are just more willing to safely pick up a hitchhiker, did the polarization of America diminish the hitchhiker Like, I don't.
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Luke Morrow
Do we still hitchhike?
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Reggie Figgins
I think that we know. I think.
- [196:29]
Seth Payne
I think hiking crime shows.
- [196:31]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
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Seth Payne
People realizing that serial killers were a thing was. I think that was the biggest thing. Fair enough.
- [196:37]
Reggie Figgins
Yeah. We just became a lot more untrusting of our neighborhood.
- [196:40]
Luke Morrow
Yeah. Yeah. We said you shouldn't pick up a stranger in your car anymore, but you should pay a stranger to get in there.
- [196:47]
Reggie Figgins
Correct.
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Seth Payne
Right. Because they're pre screened. We're led to believe. Wait, so financially motivated not to kill you.
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Reggie Figgins
Wait, hold on.
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Luke Morrow
They can't get.
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Seth Payne
They can't get the next ride if they kill you. So did Seth kind of horrible rating.
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Reggie Figgins
Did Seth kind of just pitch Uber? Is that what we just realized?
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Seth Payne
Well, no, it's take down Uber. You wouldn't be. I don't know how you make money off of it.
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Reggie Figgins
Okay, I get.
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Seth Payne
You sell it. Advertising.
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Reggie Figgins
No, don't say that.
- [197:10]
Seth Payne
Don't say that, Seth.
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Reggie Figgins
Don't say.
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Seth Payne
Don't tell J.J. that. Leave that part.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. For that.
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Seth Payne
Hey, listen, there's the thing about these tech and these app companies, they don't care actually about how you make money at first. They just want to see that you can build up a subscriber base.
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Reggie Figgins
That's right.
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Seth Payne
And then they figure out how to
- [197:24]
Reggie Figgins
monetize the data is the important part here.
- [197:26]
Seth Payne
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.
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Luke Morrow
Yeah. I feel like, I always feel like I have an invention. And then you realize it's. It already exists.
- [197:32]
Reggie Figgins
Yes. Like how the tech bros in Silicon Valley constantly remake things like the bus.
- [197:37]
Luke Morrow
Yeah, right.
- [197:38]
Seth Payne
Yeah. Or the. Or the nutrition. The protein shake.
- [197:41]
Reggie Figgins
Yes.
- [197:42]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
- [197:42]
Seth Payne
So.
- [197:43]
Luke Morrow
So it probably already exists, but an app that tells you where the closest public bathroom is. Public, that is.
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Reggie Figgins
No, that one's a banger. I. I refuse to say anything negative about that. How often are you out and about and you're like, let me find a McDonald's. Because I feel like I. That's the only place where I. Yes. I feel like an app where you know exactly where you can. You can find your next restroom.
- [198:04]
Seth Payne
But not just the restroom. Like, it has to be rated with cleanliness 100. Like, you got to know what quality of restroom and kind of depending on
- [198:11]
Luke Morrow
what your desperation level is, depending on
- [198:13]
Seth Payne
what you settle for.
- [198:14]
Reggie Figgins
Like, you know what?
- [198:14]
Seth Payne
I think I can wait another mile and a half.
- [198:17]
Luke Morrow
Yeah.
- [198:17]
Seth Payne
If I need to.
- [198:17]
Reggie Figgins
I think this works. I think this is a good one, man.
- [198:19]
Luke Morrow
Jj, we're coming for you. Especially now. We're driving home from, you know, from school with the kid in the backseat and when they got it, when they got to use the bathroom. It's a struggle to try to find something quick.
- [198:29]
Seth Payne
When they got to go, they got to go.
- [198:30]
Luke Morrow
Oh, yeah, yeah. And especially Houston traffic. You're trying to to find something. Okay, so crosstalk Sponsored by DNM Auto Leasing. Seth, pleasure as always. We'll do it again tomorrow.
- [198:41]
Seth Payne
Yes, we certainly will.
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Luke Morrow
And the fellows promise.
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Seth Payne
Don't worry, I'll be there.
- [198:45]
Luke Morrow
That's right. And we didn't add anybody to your list this time of following up with
- [198:49]
Seth Payne
people I need to avenge. Okay, I'll have a list for that tomorrow. Nice people I need to seek vengeance against.
- [198:55]
Reggie Figgins
I would like you to timestamp that because I want to be there.
- [198:57]
Luke Morrow
Perfect. We're done for the day. We'll be back tomorrow, but our time is done.
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