HOUR 1 - USA Wins + Astros Lose + Montgomery Impressed with CJ & DeMeco + Headlines

Summary

Payne & Pendergast — HOUR 1 (July 2, 2026)
Episode Summary & Highlights

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Main Theme and Episode Overview

This hour of Payne & Pendergast is a lively, insightful dive into the latest in Houston sports and beyond, led by NFL alum Seth Payne and radio veteran Sean Pendergast. The show weaves through the latest developments on the Astros’ pitching woes, the US Men’s National Soccer Team’s dramatic World Cup advance, and Texans running back David Montgomery’s glowing remarks about C.J. Stroud and head coach DeMeco Ryans. Blended with trademark humor, candid banter, and substantial analysis, the hosts offer listeners both entertainment and expert perspective on the big stories impacting Houston.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. World Cup: USA Advances Under Adversity

• Game Recap: The US defeated Bosnia-Herzegovina despite playing a man down for 30 minutes after Folarin Balogun received a red card ([01:41], [36:01]).
• Red Card Controversy: Both hosts question the appropriateness of the ejection and subsequent suspension for the next match, comparing soccer’s punitive system to American norms:

  “Even Pat Mahomes last night felt that it was an unjust red card… The punishment is just so severe.” — Sean ([02:18])

• Broader Implications: The US advances to face Belgium in the Round of 16. Seth jokes about Europeans thinking “Americans just do not understand soccer,” and the hosts riff on soccer’s toughness compared to American football ([02:33]).
• Fan Culture: Brief, humorous aside about the quirks of European soccer fans, including Norwegians pantomiming rowing in Times Square and New York subways ([04:30]).

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2. Astros Lose: Pitching Depth Issues Exposed

• Game Recap: Tatsuya Imai’s disastrous start sinks the Astros and highlights rotation vulnerabilities ([05:40], [38:06]).
• Sean’s Prediction Falters: Sean admits to recently stumping for Imai as the team’s Game 2 starter in a playoff series, only to be made “look like a dunce” ([06:04], [12:12]):

  “I’ve been saying... Imai would go number two for me right now... and then he goes out and has one of... his worst [starts].” — Sean ([06:04])

• Pitching Staff Analysis: Seth underscores a growing pattern: call-ups and acquisitions shine briefly but eventually reveal their limitations, making the Astros’ rotation a patchwork much like the “Quadruple-A” hitter carousel of a decade ago ([07:04]).
• Managerial Dilemma: The guys debate who manager Joe Espada trusts most between Imai and Burrows, both with similar middling stats but different risk profiles. Seth and Sean float the idea of a bullpen game rather than trusting the shaky back end of the rotation ([09:53], [12:51]).
• Bullpen Fatigue: Frequent short outings by starters are taxing the bullpen, with Seth quipping about “Imai triage squad” relievers always on standby ([08:56]).
• Silver Linings: Astros are still in striking distance in the playoff hunt; Javier’s imminent return could stabilize things ([39:51], [40:10]).

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3. Texans Talk: David Montgomery Impressed by Stroud & Ryans

• Guest Audio: Clips from David Montgomery on the James Harrison & Joe Haden podcast, praising QB C.J. Stroud’s composure and arm talent, and gushing about coach DeMeco Ryans’ leadership ([26:08], [28:35]).
  • On Stroud:

    “He’s up there with those guys of being able to place the ball where he wants to, when he wants to... As far as he is now ... he ready to rock and roll.” — David Montgomery ([26:08])

  • On Demeco Ryans:

    “I was in OTAs with him for, what, a month? And I’m like, oh yeah, he the real deal. I see all the similar things I seen in my first year in Detroit. This gonna be so fun.” — David Montgomery ([28:35])

• Team Culture & Buy-In: Seth praises Montgomery’s reputation as a selfless ‘old-school’ teammate; notes that Lions fans universally loved him and he’s even a literal Eagle Scout ([27:46], [30:00]).
• Montgomery’s Fit: Both hosts agree Montgomery—by reputation and attitude—is “everything you want” in a Texan, highlighting his leadership and work ethic without ego ([27:47], [27:58]).

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4. Lighter Segments & Banter

• Empire State Building Proposal: The hosts riff on the viral story of a couple climbing and getting engaged atop the Empire State Building, poking fun at their daredevil behavior and imagining their future nuptials atop other landmarks ([16:08]–[17:48]).

  “That is gonna last.”—Seth ([17:00]),
  “My legs turn into jello just watching it.” — Sean ([17:48])

• Scouting Bemoanings: Seth and Sean share personal stories about their lackluster scouting/camping experiences, with plenty of asides about bugs, childhood high dives, and survival skills ([30:13]–[32:05]).
• Technology Woes: Tangent about Google’s Gemini AI churning out wrong sports facts, with Seth lamenting his reliance on inaccurate search synopses ([24:17]).

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5. NBA Trade Headlines

• Jalen Brown/Paul George Trade: The hosts react to major NBA news: Celtics trade Jalen Brown to Philly for Paul George and picks.
  • Boston fans and national media are “livid” as Brown is in his prime and George is considered past his best ([41:09]–[42:13], [41:16] “...everything that I understand about this trade is that it would only be made under duress.”).
• Reaction on NBA Landscape: Sean calls it a great deal for Philly; Seth comments on social media jokes about Bill Simmons’ response ([42:55]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Red Card Fallout:

  “He’s your best goal scorer, and now he’s gonna miss this game against Belgium... I’m like, God, the red card is just... that’s a killer, man.” — Sean ([03:17])

• On Astros Pitching Carousel:

  “We have all these guys rotating through that show you—wow, look at this, might be the best version we’ve ever seen—but at some point, it just starts to fall short.” — Seth ([07:48])

• On Faith in Imai:

  “It was good enough for me to say I’d start the guy in Game 2 of a playoff series. And now I look like a dunce.” — Sean ([14:12])

• On David Montgomery:

  “He’s literally an Eagle Scout, I believe... He’s just kind of—he’s everything you want in terms of the way an athlete operates on a team.” — Seth ([27:47])

• On Tech Frustrations:

  “Gemini is not a great place to start... It’s really, really bad.” — Seth ([24:38])

• On Camping as Scouts:

  “There’s nothing like being too hot and sweaty when it’s also five degrees out. Like, I don’t know how this is going to end.” — Seth ([31:21])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• USA Soccer Victory & Red Card Debate: [01:41], [02:16]–[03:17], [36:01]
• Discussion on European Soccer Fan Rituals: [04:30]
• Astros Pitching & Imai Meltdown: [05:40]–[15:01], [38:06]
• Texans: David Montgomery Praises Stroud & Ryans: [26:08], [28:35]
• Empire State Engagement Story & Fear/Heights Talk: [16:08]–[18:50]
• Scouting Anecdotes & Boy Scout Discussion: [30:13]–[32:05]
• NBA Trade Reaction: [41:09]–[43:06]

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Episode Tone and Style

• Language/Tone: Conversational, humorous, accessible and sports-savvy, mixing honest critique with good-natured ribbing. The banter is lighthearted, with plenty of asides and relatable stories.
• Speaker Attribution: Sean Pendergast (“Sean”) is more focused on stats, story framing, and confessional takes; Seth Payne (“Seth”) adds anecdotal detail, locker-room analogies, and dry humor.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode of Payne & Pendergast delivers—

• Sharp, up-to-date takes on Houston sports headlines
• Dose of World Cup fever and soccer commentary through a Texas lens
• Honest, “insider” Astros pitching analysis, including who to trust in crunch time
• Texans news via star RB David Montgomery’s own words on locker room leaders
• NBA free agency and trade chatter with Houston Rockets context
• Amusing personal stories and relatable Houston-centric humor

Ideal for anyone who wants both substance and personality mixed into their Houston sports talk.

Transcript

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[Sean Pendergast]

Sports Radio 610 presents Seth Payne and Sean Pendergast.

[Seth Payne]

We coming to ace time.

[David Montgomery]

Let's get the work in, man. Let's go.

[Sean Pendergast]

Great day. Great day.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, give me some juice, baby.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Let's do it.

[Sports Play-by-Play Announcer]

And this ball in the air to right center. Ridler makes the call and the catch. And the Twins have won this series two games, games out of three, and won the season series four games to 2, 8 3. The final today with Minnesota winning.

[World Cup Sports Announcer]

There's the final whistle. Seattle. We're coming back Monday night in the round of 16. The United States, despite being down a man for half an hour, has beaten Boston Herzegovina and has moved on to the next round of the World Cup.

[Sean Pendergast]

It was a tale of two nights. Last night. We had the. The Astros this. The. The streak is over. There will be no celebration play today. They lost a series. For the first time in six series, the Astros lose a series. But. But the United States won.

[Seth Payne]

So we move on.

[Sean Pendergast]

We move on to the round of 16 set.

[Seth Payne]

Despite even Pat Mahomes last night felt that it was. That it was an unjust red card on the U.S. it's. It's.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's unjust because the punishment is just so severe.

[Seth Payne]

This is. This is like the extreme version of now we've got. Now we've got all the euros Saying Americans just do not understand soccer. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. But it is honestly the red card. And being down a player, like for the rest of the game, just having a power play against you, it's one of the most in rugby, in soccer and hockey, any other sports where you can actually just be down an entire player. It does make me feel like American football is a little bit soft. Well, you know, God, if you go, if you went out there with 10 defensive guys on the field for, for, for every single snap, yeah, you just concede the game.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm not even talking about that, though. I'm talking about the fact that Ballergan misses the next game. Like, that's.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, that's a biggie. That's.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's the part I'm talking about. Because, you know, we've watched hundreds of soccer games where teams are at a disadvantage because of a red card. And yeah, it sucks, but it's not nearly as impactful in soccer as it is like in hockey when you're on a power play just because it's short lived. But even like 4 against 5 is way different than you against 10. I'm not counting the goalies, so I, I didn't like it. I didn't think the call was good. I didn't think the red card was good. But at the time, I was way more worried about, holy crap, they're gonna have to play Belgium without Ballerkin now than I was. They're down a man against Bosnia Herzegovina. Hell, they ended up scoring another goal. You know, it was one nothing when, When, When Baligan went out. That's. That's where soccer, man, I'm like, God, these. The red card is just. That's a, That's a killer, man. He's your. He's your best goal scorer. And now he's gonna miss this game against Belgium, who, you know, they needed a miracle comeback just to get there. They were losing to Senegal with five minutes to go in the game, and they come back and win in extra time, 3 to 2 on a penalty kick. It was a really. It was a fun day of soccer yesterday, man. So, yeah, USA moves on. They'll play Belgium on Monday. And. And on and on we go.

[Seth Payne]

Belgium's routine before the game, I can't remember, do they have a march or something?

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't know. The only two that I know of are the Netherlands. They all. The orange march to the stadium, all the fans. And then the Norway people have the rowing that they do. You know, they. They Row. They sit and they row. The Norway people in a boat? No, no, like a. Like a pantomime. You know, they all, like. You haven't seen. You ever seen the Norwood people doing the rowing thing?

[Seth Payne]

No, I haven't seen it.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm just surprised it hasn't. Yeah, they. They sat in the middle of Times Square. All of them. Sat down and rode.

[Seth Payne]

It sounds a little bit like the old kids in the hall skit. The urban beaver trappers. They used to. They would ride around in a canoe on land.

[Sean Pendergast]

No.

[Seth Payne]

Remember that?

[Sean Pendergast]

No, I didn't see that, but it sounds. It sounds.

[Seth Payne]

I don't. I'm not impressed. Unless they have actual canoes with wheels on them.

[Sean Pendergast]

They don't.

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[Sean Pendergast]

Here's the thing they did. That was disgusting. The Norway people, they sat down on the subway in New York. Like on the floor. Yes. And road. That's nasty, man. That's nasty. The floor of a New York subway.

[Seth Payne]

Germs said, soccer people are just tougher than us.

[Sean Pendergast]

I guess so. I guess. Or dirtier.

[Seth Payne]

Definitely dirtier.

[Sean Pendergast]

Dirtier. So the other thing that happened last night is Tatsuya Imai made me look like an idiot.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, he did. And I really did.

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't like when people make me look like an idiot.

[Seth Payne]

Hey, you know what? No, Sean, you don't look like an idiot. You look like somebody who trusts people. You. And then. And that's why you're idiots. That's why you're so petty. Sometimes it's because you get embarrassed that you trusted those who missed it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Who missed it. I have been saying for the last few days that if the Astros had to play in a wild card round, two out of three series tomorrow, that Hunter Brown would obviously be starting game one. There's no argument there. Even though Hunter hasn't been like peak hunter since he came back. There's no argument there. And then I said, looking at everybody else, Imai would go number two for me right now. Just based on the. Until last night, he had had five really good performances with one stinker mixed in. And if you come at me and say, okay, well, that there's no way it can be ima. I'm like, well, tell me who it would be. And a lot of people said, lambert. And I'm just. I think Lambert's pitching a little over his head right now. And I think we saw some of that earlier this week when he gave up the three home runs.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And, you know. And they lost that game. But Spencer Arrogant, he's not pitching well at All. And it's been an extended period of time. He's not pitched well. And then who else? Yeah, Burroughs. So Javier is not even going to be a starter when he comes back. He's going.

[Seth Payne]

The bullpen, you know, the pitching staff feels like right now, Sean, they feel like back in 2013 and 14, they had all these guys that were like, really good Triple A players, John Singleton and the like, that just then they would get up the majors and you'd realize, like, oh, no, these guys are quadruple a baseball players. They do such a good job with the education and everything or with the pipeline of development and all the things they were doing back leading into the golden era that were so good. You'd get the absolute most out of these guys when they were in Triple A. But then they would get to the major leagues and they're like, okay, they're not really that good. And I feel like the last few years with the pitchers, we have all these guys rotating through that. Show you.

[Sports Play-by-Play Announcer]

Wow.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, boy. Look at this. Might be the best version we've ever seen of this guy. But at some point, it just starts to fall short. That's what I worry about with guys like Lambert or anybody else.

[Sean Pendergast]

He's. He's 20, 26. Brandon Walter.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Colton Gordon had a few good starts last year. Oh, who was the big one was Jason Alexander last year.

[Seth Payne]

Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Jason Alexander, like, kept the staff afloat for a while.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. They give you just enough to really feel like, oh, there might be something here.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, that's Dana. Dana Brown brings in six guys in the off season, and you're almost thinking like, okay, well, at least one of these guys is really going to show us something. Yeah. Plus, and then Imai, I mean, like, Imai, I still. You still see, even in the midst of his bad performances, where the potential is, he's just so damn erratic. Where now you've got. Okay, Kai Waitung goes to the ill. When he comes back, he's going to be in the bullpen. Christian Javier comes back, he's going to be in the bullpen. Like, blue ball, blue ball. Christian, Javier. And guys like. Guys like Tong are basically just. You need as many of those guys around just in case E my only goes one inning or two innings.

[Sean Pendergast]

They're like the. E. My triage squad.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

They're all on call that night. You know, we heard that. We heard Imai is going to be out on the town. We need. We need some extra EMTs on call tonight.

[Seth Payne]

Everybody's been very supportive of him. And yeah, what horrible timing for Chandler Rome.

[Sean Pendergast]

You just wonder.

[Seth Payne]

I know you wrote that nice article yesterday.

[Sean Pendergast]

Long, really good article about Imai and how he's adapting to the United States and they've got all these cute little rituals he's got with his teammates and he's learning a little bit of English and he likes these acai bowls and things like that. And then he goes out and has one of it. Like, you just look at the box score. Like, oh, how did they get to him? Every way possible.

[Seth Payne]

Home runs, there's got to be, there's going to be a point where when blue ball's warming up in the first inning, he's got to be like, oh my, are you kidding me?

[Sean Pendergast]

This is what, what is happening four times.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Like you just got, you got a, you got a reliever furiously warming up in the first inning and that's got to get old after a point.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, that's the thing that, like, I wonder, I wonder who. I'm just going to use Burrows here as the, as the foil to this.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I like, deep down, I wonder which guy Joe Espada just likes better or feels better about when he trots out to the mound. Because Burrows are. Because their numbers are actually pretty similar in terms of era.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

You know, one loss record, Burrows is like four and eight. I don't know what EMA's actual one loss record. Like Burrows answered the bell every time Imai missed a month because he was getting his head right.

[Seth Payne]

Shoulder fatigue, Sean.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah. No arm fatigue, I think should be too. Whatever. Yeah. So I wonder which one of those two. Because the ceiling with Imai, we've seen like Burroughs, you know, Burrows had a few good starts. I'm not going to say he's been trash every time out, but Burrows is at least a guy that, when he goes out there like, all right, I know it's. It may not look great, but I'm going to get five innings out of the guy. Imai is a guy who goes out there and Seth, there's a chance he throws your whole staff off kilter for the next four days. When you have a starter that routinely. And it's happened, by my count, it's happened at least four times this year where he hasn't made it out of the second inning. Some of them he hasn't made it out of the first inning.

[Seth Payne]

He hasn't. Okay, so these are the times you

[Sean Pendergast]

got the game log in front of you.

[Seth Payne]

These are the times when there's either a one or a Zero in front of his. Okay. He's in his third game this year against Seattle. That was when he went for a third of an inning. And then it was three games ago against the Royals that he went for two thirds of an inning. And then this is the third time that he's gone. He went one and a third inning. Okay, so those are the three times absolute disastrous disasters. The first. You know what you're thinking of his first ever. He won two and two thirds. The relative marathon for him.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's. That's okay.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I think I was at that game.

[Seth Payne]

First game against the Angels.

[Sean Pendergast]

I was at that game. Yep. So, yeah, that. That's. That's the problem. The problem. I mean, obviously it's a problem that you're losing these games. Except that Royals game, they actually won because he came. He got knocked out in the first inning of a game where the team got him nine runs in the first inning. But. But it. But even in a game that you win, the point I'm about to make is valid in that game, which is you now affect the next two or three games because certain relievers aren't going to be available. You know, certain relievers are going to empty the tank just to finish that game that you're in that he got shelled in. It's almost like you didn't have a start. It's almost like it was a bullpen game with a bad opener, you know?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah. No, yeah, exactly. He couldn't even come out and give you a good opener effort.

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[Seth Payne]

Maybe if they had told them, hey, you're only. We're only expecting you to go one inning. Than he could. Really. I don't know, man.

[Sean Pendergast]

Someone. Someone just so real quick, Seth, someone just said this, and this is actually a really good point. The solution in a game, too, right now.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Might be to start blue ball for two innings and just go a bullpen game just to, you know, try to end the series. You know, try to. I'm not even joking.

[Seth Payne]

That's a really good game for game two.

[Sean Pendergast]

This has been the best bullpen in baseball for the last month and a half.

[Seth Payne]

I just. I don't. We might have to play the Espada later because I know how much you love Espada's glowing reviews.

[Sean Pendergast]

Did we get the audio from Espada?

[Seth Payne]

I heard it. I must have seen it on the Internet.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay.

[Seth Payne]

But Espada, after the game said, you know, he's been good the last few games. I'm like, wait a second. Last few games usually means Three. Three. A few. Usually three or four.

[Sean Pendergast]

How many games?

[Seth Payne]

It was three games ago. That was the two thirds of an inning where he allowed five runs. And then even like the next game after that, he had that. We were. It was a quality start. Six innings pitched with three runs allowed.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was one where he got shelled early and then was really good late.

[Seth Payne]

But it was. But I always look at even the quality start, that's a little bit misleading because that. That still does work out to an above four era, you know, on a. If you go nine innings.

[Sean Pendergast]

I've always thought that, too.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Like, it feels like where you're going to draw the line. Six innings.

[David Montgomery]

I don't know.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So, no, it hasn't been really all that impressive for the last few starts. It was. He was impressive in his last start.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

It was only three starts ago that he went two thirds of an inning.

[Sean Pendergast]

Well, it was good enough for me to say I'd start the guy in Game 2 of a playoff series. And now I look like a dunce.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. Because you just.

[Sean Pendergast]

You.

[Seth Payne]

You believe, Sean. You believe. That's why I had to. Remember when Amy and I had to go bail you out of that cult you had joined?

[World Cup Sports Announcer]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

They're just about to castrate you.

[Sean Pendergast]

They were like, no, they offered me chocolate. They seemed really nice.

[Seth Payne]

You remember when you took to the Internet and you said this and then Seth Payne is texting my wife.

[Sean Pendergast]

Right.

[Seth Payne]

What the hell?

[Sean Pendergast]

Right?

[Seth Payne]

What the hell? You were out of your mind because

[Sean Pendergast]

you believed I Iooked myself.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yes. So. Yeah. So. So Ima was. He was terrible last night. They're. They're off today. Thank God. The bullpen is very happy that they're off today. No, they off today.

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Yeah, they're off.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. I hope Imai's not going to choose to participate in the All Star Game, is he. Is that. That's my biggest word.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. No, I think. I think we're safe there. Yeah.

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I think we actually.

[Seth Payne]

Jordan's not doing the Home run Derby. He announced that a while ago. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah. Which I approve. I approve. I don't need anybody messing with Jordan. Swing right now. That was a good thing last night. He was still getting on base last night.

[Seth Payne]

I was about to say his. Jordan. I can't remember a notable time where he got injured at the plate. But his hand issues are all swinging

[Sean Pendergast]

the bat related issues. His big issue is the plate was with the plate. Was stepping on it last night.

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That's right.

[Seth Payne]

Not as a batter.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

But as a runner scoring A run.

[Sean Pendergast]

He has no issues with the plate. While he's in the batter's box, he's like, imai.

[Seth Payne]

He's adjusting. The more slippery American home plate.

[Sean Pendergast]

Slick American home plate career.

[Seth Payne]

You know who didn't adjust to the new pizza box bases last night? Poor Delgado. No, tell Gado got that. That ball that caromed off the pizza box and. And dislocated his pinky. We can't even keep Delgado healthy, man.

[Sean Pendergast]

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[Seth Payne]

I saw that. How do you get vertigo like I do? Right? Yeah, when you. When you watch something, the helicopter circling around. That's not helpful.

[Sean Pendergast]

Okay. I didn't see. With. Oh, the. I didn't see that part.

[Seth Payne]

There was a video of the helicopter circling around, buildings are spinning in the background, and these two are holding on to this tiny little spire at the top.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, it was the. That was the part that got me was the part. It's. You know, you. You see the caption, and the first thing you wonder is, how the hell did they get up there? That's number one. And then number two. Like, okay, how high did they go? Oh, they went to the very top. The very top of the antenna that's up there.

[Seth Payne]

Which, I mean, humans do go up there, but they're usually tethered with safety ropes and all kinds of gear.

[Sean Pendergast]

You're usually hired to go up there.

[Seth Payne]

These two are just up there going free solo on it or free duet on it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Well, and they got engaged up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they got engaged.

[Seth Payne]

I mean, that is gonna last.

[Sean Pendergast]

That is. That. That's the first thing I thought. I'm like, well, this is definitely two very.

[Seth Payne]

Two well adjusted. These are two well adjusted people that. Really funny things, dude.

[Sean Pendergast]

I thought the same thing. Like, this marriage is definitely not gonna last.

[Seth Payne]

Nobody even came to the wedding. They're gonna. Are you guys getting married? The engagement party.

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Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Where are you guys getting married? Like, at the top of one of those rocks, right?

[Sean Pendergast]

Like a space needle in Seattle. Everything you're gonna do is at the top of some superstructure. That was crazy, though, man. I don't know about you. Like, I get. I look at stuff like that. Especially the part where they were at the very tippy top there, and it's just this. This little tiny balcony. Yeah, my legs, dude, my legs turn

[Seth Payne]

into jello just watching it they're hanging onto that antenna.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And I don't think that antenna is meant to be hung onto. That's the part that I don't get there. It's one thing to climb up there, but then to just be both of them. Yeah. I can guarantee it's not meant for.

[Sports Play-by-Play Announcer]

Like.

[Seth Payne]

It wasn't engineered for two people to be. No, no, no, no.

[Sean Pendergast]

Two people in masks that snuck up there. What's the highest that you've climbed in anything where there's a threat of, like, fear of height or falling or what?

[Seth Payne]

I think. Well, I mean, there's, like, different, like, you know, mountains and everything, which always looks worse in pictures than it is in. You know, in real life, you always feel like you see somebody standing on a big rock next to a precipice. Oh, my God. But in real life, it doesn't feel like that. Yeah. The scariest was always climbing silos. Silos are climbing silos without a. If there's a ladder with no. Like, the. The cage around it.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

That used to be. I remember when I was a kid, I used to. I had to talk myself into climbing to the top of a silo.

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[Seth Payne]

You know, in a hard, hard way.

[Sean Pendergast]

What do you. What do you do? Why are you going out? Why are you climbing to the top of the.

[Seth Payne]

There's. There's a silo loader up there sometimes. Well, two things. One, sometimes you go up and you manually throw silage down. She has to be careful about. Because every now and then, there's gases up there. But then. Or you gotta adjust a silo, a silage unload. There's like a. There's a chute. There's a. There's a thing up at the top that'll send silage.

[Sean Pendergast]

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Dude.

[Seth Payne]

I remember, man. It's been a long time.

[Sean Pendergast]

I get nervous climbing the high dive.

[Seth Payne]

Correct me? Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I get nervous climbing the ladder to the high dive at the muni. At the muni pool back in the day.

[Seth Payne]

The. Oh, the high dive? No, anytime.

[Sean Pendergast]

Like, even standing on the high dive,

[Seth Payne]

going off the high dive.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's no rail, kid.

[Seth Payne]

We used to do scum jumping, which was. We'd go to an old railroad bridge over a creek and jump into the railroad bridge. Yeah, that was always. The big step was like there was a. Like a cliff or, you know, a really steady decline next to it. You could also jump in.

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[Seth Payne]

So the first time you went off the actual bridge, that was the scariest.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I thought I saw that one tweet, which I thought was in poor taste, but those two that. Those two lovers that climbed up to the top of the Empire State Building.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And they had a flag with them. And there was a Photoshop that said on the flag, Brian Kelly sent us up here. Oh, and I thought that was in very poor.

[Sean Pendergast]

I did, too. I did.

[Seth Payne]

I didn't think that was acceptable at all.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was 16 years ago.

[Seth Payne]

What did the flag actually say?

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, something about love is power is love. Love over power. We something. Something about love. Something like that.

[Seth Payne]

Nothing like politically driven on the surface or anything.

[Sean Pendergast]

I don't know. It might have been a little bit like it was something about power and love where love exceeds power. So it could have been a political statement. I'll find it during the break. All right, we're off and running on a. On a Thursday here. Payne and Pendergast. Hey, David Montgomery, Texans running back, was on James Harrison's podcast. I've already grown to really like David Montgomery, and he hasn't even taken a snap in the regular season yet for the Texans. What's it like working for Demico Ryan's compared to where he came from, which was Dan Campbell and also David Montgomery. On the big topic this offseason, C.J. stroud. We've got that coming up for you next.

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[Sean Pendergast]

Text message early here from Champ Slice. Hey, by the way, today feels like sort of a soft day off. You know, tomorrow is the. Is the federally recognized day for Independence Day, you know, for. For not working sake. Actual Independence Day, of course, is Saturday, but I know a lot of people take either this week off or they're taking today off. So if you're. If you're up early listening to us, check in on the text page. 7 1, 3, 5 7, 2, 4, 6, 10. Champ Slice is a big fan of the visual you created in the first segment, Seth. The vision of Sean having to be saved from a cult by Seth has me cracking up. I could just see him getting dragged out there and screaming. I didn't even get to tell them any of my Lou Holtz stories. That's hilarious. Hey, man, I would have been. I would have been telling Seth. I'm like, hey, they were nice.

[Seth Payne]

You know, Amy and I had a long talk about it, and we said we. We feel. We felt you'd go far enough.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

You know, mostly because we just. We kind of did a cost benefit analysis of, like, all right, if we lose him forever versus, like, what can. What can we sell? Like, what can we still salvage from him? And it was still. You were still worth salvaging. Okay.

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Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

No. Yeah. Is it worth bringing him back?

[Seth Payne]

Oh, well. Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Dump that. There you go.

[Seth Payne]

I inadvertently said the S word.

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I.

[Seth Payne]

And I have no idea. I tried to say spreadsheet. Yes, Spreadsheet sheet.

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[Seth Payne]

Most of my spreadsheets turn into spread.

[Sean Pendergast]

Spread poop. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

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[Seth Payne]

I did a live stream yesterday that I had to take down. I made such an egregious error, really driving Ben Johnson's offense.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, was it the one where you were breaking down David Montgomery?

[Seth Payne]

No, no, no, no. Not that one. That one was gold. That was gold. That was. But I. I hurried through my preparation for, you know, what's been. You know what got me yesterday?

[Sean Pendergast]

What's that?

[Seth Payne]

This has happened to me a few times. I'm not trying to use AI Specifically. I do use AI for things, but usually when I'm using AI I'm very careful to fact check things and everything. But now what does me in was when I Google things, you get that stupid Gemini synopsis of your question, and it's so wrong so often, and I'm just.

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[Seth Payne]

I don't have my head on a swivel to fact check the Google stuff, and it's way worse than when I run a search on ChatGPT. It's really, really bad.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's really bad sometimes. Yeah, it's awful.

[Seth Payne]

It's astoundingly awful.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. That's your warning label. Everybody just know if you've. If you're out there to spew facts. Gemini is not a great place to start.

[Seth Payne]

It was like, I asked a simple one yesterday because I just wanted to check when the last. When the second to last super bowl in Santa Clara was. So I asked it, like, how many Super Bowls. Which Super Bowls have been in Santa Clara or San Francisco? And it said there have only been two. It doesn't sound right at all. And it listed the most recent one and one from early 2000s. Right.

[Sean Pendergast]

2015 was when we went.

[Seth Payne]

But there was one before that.

[Sean Pendergast]

There was.

[Seth Payne]

Okay, yeah, yeah. But it didn't list the one from 2015.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's weird.

[Seth Payne]

Everybody be careful out there on those Google streets.

[Sean Pendergast]

Absolutely. Now, you did talk about this David Montgomery stuff yesterday on one of your YouTube live streams. So let's hit some of this here. He was on the. He's on James Harrison's podcast.

[Seth Payne]

It's all Debo and Joe. It's James Harrison and Joe Hayden.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep.

[Seth Payne]

Which is. I feel bad for Joe Hayden sometimes because, like, like, it's a good podcast. They get great guests. But, like, when James Harrison starts bagging on the Browns, what's Joe Hayden going to do? Yeah, he just. He can't. James Harrison sitting there with his super bowl rings and whatnot. And.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, you just got to take it. You got to take it. So this was David Montgomery. They asked him about his impressions of CJ Stroud so far.

[David Montgomery]

Yeah, like, he really composed. Like, very composed. And like, he can make some crazy passes. Like, I've seen. I've been around Jared Goff. I've been around a lot of, you know, great quarterbacks, and, you know, he's up there with those guys of being able to place the ball where he wants to, when he wants to do. And I wasn't here last year, so I don't really know what he was like, but as far as he is now, currently in present time, yeah, he's. He ready to rock and roll. And, you know, I ain't gonna. I ain't finna sit here and tell everybody he's gonna do this, he's gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna let him Knock out and show y'.

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[David Montgomery]

When he do it, I'm just gonna turn around. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I think that I'm always. You know, you're always a little bit wary of what guys are saying about somebody when they've only practiced with them. Yeah, I do think that.

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[Sean Pendergast]

Is total grain of salt stuff with me right now.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the. The biggest thing about David Montgomery that comes through in all his interviews is, man, like, he's old school in a lot of ways when it comes to supporting his teammates, like, not having a big ego, being selfless. It's really cool to Just to hear skill position players harping on being selfless because there's so many things about the offense in the last couple years we know just they haven't. They haven't kept pace with the defense, and not just with performance on the field, but in the way they operate. Montgomery, by virtue of just his reputation and the way he plays and practices by the things he's saying since he's gotten here. But then also, every time I either tweet or do a live stream about David Montgomery, I'm amazed by how many Lions fans are in my mentions.

[Sean Pendergast]

I like hearing that.

[Seth Payne]

Talking about how much they love David Montgomery, what a solid citizen he is. He's a literal Eagle Scout, I believe. Like, he's really. Yes, yes.

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At least.

[Seth Payne]

At least a couple Lions fans have told me that, and I'm not going to fact check it with Gemini, I'll tell you that much. But, like, whether you're saying it metaphorically or not, like, yeah, he's just kind of. He's like everything that you want in terms of the way an athlete operates on a team. It seems like people in Detroit just love him.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

For all you know. And he never. He like his. The. There's no level of. Well, okay, well, let's play the next bit of audio.

[World Cup Sports Announcer]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

They asked him about working with d', Amico, and he kind of puts his head down, like, kind of, like, in amazement of how lucky he is for this scenario.

[David Montgomery]

I went from going to a guy like Dan Campbell, going straight over there to Coach Ryan's.

[Sean Pendergast]

Come on, bro.

[David Montgomery]

Like,

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I played with.

[David Montgomery]

I was in OTAS with him for, what, a month? And I'm like, oh, yeah, he. The real deal. Like. And, like, I see all of, like, the similar things that, like, I seen my first year in Detroit. I'm like, this gonna be so fun.

[Boar's Head Commercial Announcer]

Mm.

[David Montgomery]

And we found.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

So, like, Dan Campbell, I guess if you're listening to that initially, it Might sound like a negative on Dan Campbell, but he brings it together at the end. I just. You love guys that. You love guys that buy in. And there is. Honestly, you know, there's. There's some guys, good players that for whatever reason, like a guy like Dan Campbell or d' Amico Ryan's, they just. They don't necessarily buy in as quickly or as easily, and it doesn't mean they're bad players or anything, but they're not a good fit for the culture. So you just love. You love. Every time David Montgomery has talked about it since he got here, it's just he's all in on d' Amico Ryan's and the way he operates. He was all in on Dan Campbell and the way he operates. And I don't know if you could say that about all of the better players that have been on the Texans offense the last few years.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. David Montgomery, do you trust Chat GPT more than you do Gemini Seth?

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

According to Chat GPT, David Montgomery, actual Eagle Scout.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah. I felt like I knew that at one point and then forgot it.

[Sean Pendergast]

2014, he earned it with Troop 772 in the Cincinnati area.

[Seth Payne]

I could never get over. Well, I've told you about my objection to my scouting experience was that we never went camping. It was the only reason I signed up.

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[Seth Payne]

I was like. I'm like, all right, that's hilarious. Get out in the woods here. I was going to this. This. This Boxwood Derby or whatever and everything.

[Sean Pendergast]

I was going to Pinewood Derby.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

I was going to ask you Boxwoods. I was going to ask a good spot. I was going to ask you if you'd ever been in Scout. I was in. I was in Cub Scouts. I was in we belows, which is like the in between.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

And then I think I did a year of Boy Scouts. It's funny you say we never went camping. Camping was the end of it for me.

[Seth Payne]

I know you don't like bugs.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm a creature of comfort, man. Well, no, you know what it was. They had had one, they had like two or three. It's not like we went camping every week. There were like two or three times a year. Call it two times a year you went camping. The problem was one of them was the Klondike, they called it, and it was in February in Connecticut.

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Oh, wow.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Like, you're camping in. You're camping in the snow.

[Seth Payne]

It's some real survival skills there.

[Sean Pendergast]

It was terrible. Wrapped up in a space blanket.

[Seth Payne]

Worry about bugs. You Know, that's the nice thing about winter camp.

[Sean Pendergast]

Worry about dying.

[Seth Payne]

There's a. There's nothing like being too hot and sweaty when it's also five degrees out. Like, I don't know. I don't know how this is going to end.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

I'm sweating my butt off.

[Sean Pendergast]

That's hilarious. That's so funny.

[Seth Payne]

That was one of the many conversations that Amy and I have had about you when we get together and talk about your future. Was. Well, no, the one time that we were. We were sitting outside that taco place and you'd gone inside to get drinks.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

And Amy and I were sitting outside, and Amy looked up and she said, is that. Is that a fly? There's, like, a fly on the umbrella. And I was like, yeah, I think so. She's like, sean's not gonna like that. We better go inside. It's true.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'm a creature of comfort, man.

[Seth Payne]

That's when we decided that you. It was probably. We probably shouldn't try to push you towards getting your master's in etymology.

[Sean Pendergast]

No, no. Definitely not. Definitely not. Yeah. A very. According to Chat GPT. He stuck. He started David Montgomery and Cub Scouts stuck with it all the way through. He's now an official ambassador for Scouting America.

[Seth Payne]

Isn't the big. The headquarters for the Boy Scouts, or at least the Houston headquarters right there on the North Loop. Right. You know when you're going up past the gallery and you turn right or when you make the big right turn, it's sitting right up there. I can't remember.

[Sean Pendergast]

I think you're right. And I think the. The Girl Scouts is right near the station here because I drive by it on the feeder road every day coming to this studio, so. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah. I go through their dumpsters a lot. That's cookies, you know.

[Sean Pendergast]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth Payne]

It's good. Cheap eating right there.

[Sean Pendergast]

Absolutely.

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[Sean Pendergast]

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[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[David Montgomery]

All right.

[Sean Pendergast]

Pain and pender gas with you. We'll play some more David Montgomery a little bit later. I loved hearing those two cuts yesterday. The C.J. stroud one. Grain of salt. The demico Ryan's one. I just love how universally liked Demiko Ryan seems to be. You could hear James Harrison reacting to it there with Montgomery talking about it. Okay, headlines. We've got World cup to get to. We've got Astros to get to We've got a trade in the NBA. I think all the names are off the board now.

[Seth Payne]

If you're looking mayhem in the NBA

[Sean Pendergast]

for an impact trade. Oh this?

[Seth Payne]

Check on your Boston friends.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yes, big time. We'll get to that in headlines coming up next.

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[World Cup Sports Announcer]

There's the final whistle. Seattle. We're coming back Monday night of the round of 16. The United States, despite being down a man for half an hour, has beaten Bosnian Herzegovina and has moved on to the next round of the World Cup.

[Sean Pendergast]

All right, headlines brought to you by the Men's Tea Clinic. We will start with the good news. You just heard it right there. Courtesy of Fox USA wins two nothing over Bosnia Herzegovina last night. They had to play the last roughly 25 or 30 minutes down a man because Flo Ballergan ejected from the game with a red card for what was deemed by the referee, I guess sort of a violent play on the ball

[Seth Payne]

where he stepped on the guys Achilles and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, I'm not, I, I'm with you. Like, I look, I'm not gonna step in and act like I'm an expert on red cards or anything. And yet at the same time, it does just seem ridiculously punitive that you, you get suspended for the next game.

[Sean Pendergast]

For the next game.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, that was for some that it wasn't, I don't know, like I wouldn't in, in basketball or something. I wouldn't call that a flagrant or anything. It was a, it was an unfortunate situation.

[Sean Pendergast]

I did too. Yeah. I don't think there was any intent to hurt the guy. You know, he did step on his ankle. Like the replay, the replay of just the injury itself is ugly just because the guy's ankle turns. But I don't think there was, I don't think there was intent with it to do that. So. But it is what it is and here we are. And that the United States will play Belgium on Monday on the 6th of July in the round of 16, which I think given what the potential feels like for this US Team, not that they're one of the favorites, but this is probably the best team that they've had, the best chance they've had maybe to make a run past the round of 16, the United States get to the quarterfinals, maybe make a little noise. Huge game on Monday for the United States and for soccer here in the United States.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, that'll India, look, it's there's just one. One more. One more obstacle added to it.

[Sean Pendergast]

So, yeah, make for a better story. The Astros. Here was what some of last night sounded like.

[Sports Play-by-Play Announcer]

That's hit well deep to right field and it's going to be five nothing. Twins with that three run home run by Cody Clemens. Clemens hits his 14th on the year. First time Imai has given up a multi home run game since the Twins played him back in Minnesota on May 18th. And Josh Belgium him twice. But the two walks come into score. It's now five to one game.

[Boar's Head Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

Bet that was Cody Clemens. Bell got him last night too, in the first inning.

[Seth Payne]

Bell is boy. Credit to Imai. He's only been in major league baseball for a short while and he's already got somebody who owns him completely and totally.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, yeah, just.

[Seth Payne]

Oh, just devastating. I don't think. I think that's why Imai was. I think he was, he was, he was quaking in his boots right from the onset.

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[Seth Payne]

That guy again.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah. Yeah. So he pitched less than two innings last night. E mine. So if you ask the question, well, what. What was it that really got to him? Did they, did they smack a bunch of hits? Oh, yeah, they have five of them. Did he walk a lot of guys? Oh, yeah. Four of them. Did he give up any home runs?

[Amica Insurance Announcer]

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[Sean Pendergast]

Two in an inning and a third. Yeah.

[Seth Payne]

A lot of action on that slider though.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yeah, he'll always have action on the slider.

[Seth Payne]

The computer can't even tell you what pitch he pitched when he let up that home run. Isn't it amazing? Wow.

[Sean Pendergast]

So the Astros lose first time they, as you heard Todd Callis say on Space City Home network there, first time they lose a series in a long, long time. They'd won five straight series. They right now, Seth, the numbers, you know, we do the daily check in here. They are. Since Payne and Pendergast reset the season on May 15, they're still 26 and 18, which is a 97 win pace. And they are two games back, both in the division and in the wild card.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah.

[Sean Pendergast]

So they're, you know, so it's even for losing two out of three. You know, you're still kind of hanging around right now. I think you know, the All Star break is going to be taking place. They've got this, this week, this weekend and next week coming up. And then it's the All Star break. It would be nice if they were, if they were tied or inside the velvet rope at the All Star break.

[Seth Payne]

Javier's return is imminent. And he's going to start off in the bullpen, but, you know, try to look for the silver lining and things. Man, his best season ever. He started off in the bullpen and worked his way into a starting role over the course of a season. Didn't have to pitch, you know, anywhere near 200 innings or anything. And you got the very best out of him. So maybe, maybe if you just ramp that up, you know, in a shortened version of what he did in 2022, maybe that'll be enough.

[Sean Pendergast]

Yep. NBA yesterday. I don't know what names are left. If you're a Rocket fan that's looking for them to make a big move, a lot of them have flown off the board. And one they that reportedly the Rockets weren't really all that enthused about. Jalen Brown, formerly now of the Boston Celtics. He is on the move. He's headed to Philly for Paul George, who is very close to washed. And a bunch of draft picks in future years. Two firsts, two seconds in future years. They. The audio that I've heard from up in Boston, Seth.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, they are.

[Sean Pendergast]

We may have to go find some of that. I bet it's out there on Twitter. They are livid in Boston about this trade.

[Seth Payne]

Windhorst. Windhorst, who's gotten just increasingly dramatic in his takes over the years. You know, he did that thing where he's very serious and he's in a hotel room doing a zoom with somebody, and he says, everything that I understand about this trade is that it would only be made under duress. Under duress. And he says it three times that he told. He was on the phone with a GM and he told him the terms of the trade. The GM said, look, I got. I'm lucky. I'm at a stoplight. I don't know, like, what? I can't process all of this. Yeah, fine.

[Sean Pendergast]

I'll. Fine. I'll take Paul George.

[Seth Payne]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's a. It's a weird trade.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's a very strange trade. Jaylen Brown was sixth for the MVP last year. He was second team all NBA. He was a Finals mvp. And this isn't like. This isn't like if we were talking about George Springer being World Series. He's a World Series mvp. Yeah. Nine years ago. He was the Finals MVP two years ago.

[Seth Payne]

And.

[Sean Pendergast]

And is still in his prime. He's not even 30 yet. Jalen Brown, Paul George. Paul George, for what he gets paid, is not a good basketball player at this point. And that's the big thing too, like this. I remember a time when the Sixers and the Celtics viciously hated each other back in the, in the 80s and 90s, and I'm guessing they still do. I just don't follow either of them closely and I that they're making that trade inside the division there too, and sending j. I mean, Jalen Brown, that's a good team. Like, they already had Joel Embiid when he's available, but their backcourt of Maxi and the Edgecom kid out of Baylor is a nice backcourt. And now you got Jalen Brown to go with you didn't have to give up either of those guys to get Jalen Brown. Yeah, it's a really good trade for Philadelphia.

[Seth Payne]

I was astounded by the number of people who were hopeful that this trade was going to literally kill Bill Simmons. Simmons. That was just, that's, that wasn't in good taste either, Sean.

[Sean Pendergast]

That was.

[Seth Payne]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Sean Pendergast]

It's in poor taste, but I'm not surprised necessarily. All right, so there you go. Those are your, those are your headlines for for today. All right. Hey, let's circle back to the the Texans. Texans in the AFC south through the eyes of Greg Cassell, one of the, one of the great ball knowers and film watchers for NFL football. Let's take a little journey through the AFC South. What is Greg Cosell seeing from not just CJ Stroud but the other three teams in the division? We will do that. Coming up next.

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